Based Camp - Angels⧸Watchers⧸Nephilim： Are They An Extra-Dimensional Civilization？ (Exploring A Bible Theory)

00:00:00.000 hello simone i'm excited to be here with you today today we are going to be doing something

00:00:06.520 unique which is reviewing a fan made video on the track series which is proposing an alternative

00:00:14.940 hypothesis that angels are a separate essentially species um species is the wrong word extra

00:00:26.340 dimensional beings um and i have actually argued this in the past and people can say well that

00:00:31.220 seems to contradict a lot of the other stuff you say about angels or heaven or anything like that

00:00:35.260 and the reason i wanted to review this is um one to clarify in my own beliefs like what sort of

00:00:41.420 people i think are genuinely trying to figure out what's true and i put in the larger umbrella of

00:00:46.260 having beliefs similar to ours and like this techno puritan tree it's not about agreeing with

00:00:49.820 whatever we think about the world. It's about being on a genuine quest to try to determine

00:00:57.260 believing that the Bible is a serious book saying serious, meaningful things, but in a way that is

00:01:05.920 not just obviously incompatible with reality as we observe it.

00:01:10.820 Agree. Yes.

00:01:12.300 So if I was going to weigh two different things here, one person says to me, angels,

00:01:19.300 are a a separate race with their own you know military structure governance structure of

00:01:27.640 extra-dimensional entities um uh that serve god who created the universe right um one person says

00:01:36.340 that and that sounds weird and that sounds anti-christian to a lot of people um because

00:01:40.160 it's not something you know you say it in sunday school or whatever but it's not actually at odds

00:01:45.240 like if you in the way i do like really interested in in reading the bible and trying to understand

00:01:50.220 it's not actually that particularly at odds with with the bible and it's not at odds with our

00:01:54.820 current understanding of reality and science or anything like that yeah whereas um if another

00:02:00.900 person comes to me and says something like i think there recently was a global spanning

00:02:07.800 flood that killed all land animals i'm like that doesn't appear not just in the geological record

00:02:16.220 but we would see it in the genetic record from different animals they wouldn't speciate at all

00:02:21.400 these various periods in history unless god was just intentionally trying to f with us right like

00:02:28.100 you're just messing with the record to as like a test of face or something which i you know don't

00:02:33.840 don't think is the way that God works. Alternatively, if angels were, and we'll go

00:02:41.220 over this, and I think this is interesting because it's not what I believe, but I think

00:02:46.320 it's totally plausible with both our current understanding of science and a straight reading

00:02:50.180 of the Bible, an alternate type of being with its own culture, governance structure, military

00:02:57.280 structure, way of living. And I said, I'm looking at the Bible. I would not think the

00:03:03.580 Bible had deceived me about the nature of angels. I would say, okay, yeah, this seems to align with

00:03:09.060 a lot of the way the Bible talks about angels in various parts. So let's go into this. And what's

00:03:14.800 really cool about how he did this is he built it as an AI because he's practicing his AI skills

00:03:18.740 in terms of putting this together. So let's go. Before I begin, I want to mention how valuable

00:03:24.740 I have personally found your tracked series to be. I don't align with your beliefs entirely,

00:03:29.960 but I am continuously surprised at how much I do agree with,

00:03:34.100 considering my theological background.

00:03:37.140 This is my response to your invitation for commentary on the topic of angels

00:03:41.900 taking human wives in the antediluvian world as described in Genesis.

00:03:47.000 This is not intended to sway you to the position presented,

00:03:50.860 only to provide an expanded perspective.

00:03:53.680 Some information aligns with your materialist monist perspective, some may not.

00:03:58.320 I hope you find it enlightening all the same.

00:04:01.740 I want to credit Timothy Alberino with much of the information I want to introduce.

00:04:06.780 So a few things here.

00:04:08.180 One, I like the AI work, the camera angles and stuff like this.

00:04:11.880 You know, using Kafka plus AI to put this together.

00:04:15.020 Yeah, Grok Imagine is what he made this in.

00:04:17.100 Yeah, I think this looks really good.

00:04:18.440 It looks great.

00:04:21.500 The second thing is Timothy Alberino has really interesting ideas.

00:04:25.320 I decided to look him up after this.

00:04:27.620 i don't what's interesting is i would consider everything was in this belief system under

00:04:31.720 techno puritanism i would not even though it's radically different from our beliefs it seems to

00:04:35.420 be a genuine search for the truth i would not consider timothy alberino's own beliefs under the

00:04:40.340 the techno puritan umbrella yeah and why is that being is a major one of timothy alberino's

00:04:48.400 beliefs or a lot of his belief system seems to be constructed to argue that some humans will not be

00:04:57.320 able to be saved by christ if they have engaged in significant technological or genetic modification

00:05:04.800 of themselves um uh e.g any sort of like some amount of genetic engineering some amount of

00:05:12.340 ai integration some amount of and i just i think that that's a so that seems incredibly arbitrary

00:05:20.120 it is incredibly arbitrary and i'd go further than to call his views arbitrary i would say

00:05:25.420 they are very clearly anti-biblical. Throughout the Bible, we hear that God's interest is focused

00:05:32.280 on beings called the sons of man. Why does he need to distinguish the sons of man from men

00:05:38.320 unless the sons of man includes types of beings that today we would not consider men, e.g. genetically

00:05:46.460 modified, integrated with AI, whatever. It's a very odd word that is consistently used throughout

00:05:53.320 the Bible. Very odd framing. There's no need to word it that way unless you were talking about

00:05:57.860 something that is descended from man, but not man. And worse than that, he's in an anti-biblical way

00:06:05.040 acting as a moderator of God's grace, being like, well, you know, if you do X amount of genetic

00:06:11.500 modification, now God's grace can't reach you. Like what? Like, especially if the Bible seems

00:06:16.540 to imply the exact opposite that's quite in my view like a deeply bad thing to insinuate

00:06:23.680 now i don't want to overstate his position here he is actually pretty flexible uh specifically

00:06:31.180 it's not just any amount of genetic engineering um he's very interested in um adding non-human

00:06:40.100 sequences to the human genetic line specifically in an interview he has said that human to

00:06:46.520 human genetic repair that stays inside the human matrix is fine uh he's more interested in

00:06:52.400 non-human segments of being within the human body but this i find almost like worse when you

00:07:00.480 actually think about it it's like somebody gets to heaven obviously this isn't the way it works

00:07:04.500 but i'm speaking in an analogy here and they're like oh sorry at one point your heart was

00:07:09.960 repaired with a pig valve. Jesus' grace just can't reach you if you had your heart repaired

00:07:17.780 with a pig valve. Or as we get better with medicine and we make it so that somebody's

00:07:23.780 dying and their liver can be replaced with a genetically modified pig liver. They don't get

00:07:28.980 into heaven? That's insane. That is genuinely insane to me to think that God's grace is so

00:07:36.740 incredibly limited. As a note, he has said that he doesn't think that artificial valves and stuff

00:07:45.820 like that prevent you from being subject to God's grace, but he's never addressed the topic of Zeno

00:07:50.780 implantations. And I'm sure if he did, because his argument doesn't seem very serious to me,

00:07:57.140 he'd just fold and take the easy answer and say, no, of course, when that goes against what his

00:08:02.180 actual theology says. Because I think it's a theology that he feels comfortable having now

00:08:07.560 because he doesn't need to talk to somebody face-to-face and say, you, individual, are not

00:08:13.460 subject to Christ's grace anymore. This is one of those beliefs that's easy to have now because of

00:08:21.260 the anxieties he has around how humanity is changing and how the world is changing around

00:08:25.640 him. But the moment he needs to, you know, in a crowd, point at some five-year-old kid and say,

00:08:30.380 God's grace doesn't reach this kid because he underwent some genetic modification to not die

00:08:37.440 at a young age of cancer or something like that. One, he loses the crowd in that moment because,

00:08:42.220 you know, it goes against the sons of man stuff from the Bible. But two, it's just obviously not

00:08:47.480 the way God operates. And everyone would immediately see that the moment he's talking

00:08:51.260 about real people instead of hypothetical people. And keep in mind how broad his theology would

00:08:56.900 actually reach. This would rule God's grace out of anyone who is diabetic and using insulin

00:09:03.480 that comes from heptin from pig's gut structures and stuff like that. It's just not a theology

00:09:10.140 that seems coherent with a just God or coherent with what the Bible says.

00:09:17.020 And as a final note here, if you want to say something like, well, that's not exactly what 0.51

00:09:21.360 sons of man would have meant to a Jew of this time period, given the way that their language

00:09:26.060 was constructed and everything. And I'd be like, well, yeah, God's not going to be able to convey 1.00

00:09:30.760 to Jews of that time period that the language needs to be inclusive of humans that don't seem 0.99

00:09:37.980 like what you would consider a human anymore, right? So how would he do that? How would he 0.71

00:09:42.540 convey and make sure that that is written into the scripture? He would make their language structure

00:09:47.840 that way. He would make them not see it as a weird thing to keep saying. But to us today,

00:09:52.700 with our current technological context, it is absolutely miraculous that that is captured so

00:09:59.300 many times throughout the text in both the New and Old Testament. That didn't need to be the way

00:10:05.420 that Jewish language worked. It miraculously was the way the Jewish language worked so that a truth

00:10:12.900 could be captured in the text. If God had had this very, very strong belief against genetically

00:10:20.180 modified humans or any sort of change in the human species that timothy has he certainly would have 0.82

00:10:28.180 not made the jews talk about humans in this way throughout the bible in both the old and new

00:10:34.660 testament and i need to be clear here when you're like well malcolm he says it's just not other

00:10:39.220 animals that gives us quite a no what about when you're talking about like radiation hardening of

00:10:43.500 the genome on spaceships you're almost certainly going to need to use the genomes of some sort of

00:10:48.340 extremophile creature to do that humans cannot take to space we cannot conquer the stars likely

00:10:53.720 without genetic modification that uses other animals um or that would fall at least into a

00:11:00.020 category of then you're making it from scratch with ai or something that would still put him

00:11:03.640 in a position where he's like no that doesn't count and if you want it out here what you need

00:11:08.700 to be able to do is answer these two questions the first question if god really strongly meant

00:11:14.460 that he did not want human genetic modification to happen, why did he allow the text to be recorded

00:11:20.740 in a way that could be read this way in the future in the language that it would be, or in

00:11:26.440 any of the languages that it would be commonly read in the far future? The second being, if God

00:11:32.980 had actually wanted to incorporate into the text that this is okay, knowing that he couldn't

00:11:37.280 communicate this to people of the time period, what better way, like what more thorough way could

00:11:42.600 he have communicated that than this linguistical anomaly so if you look at us right there are

00:11:49.780 places where i will absolutely admit i take an end point and i say this end point must be true

00:11:57.340 right and i when i say this endpoint must be true it's because the preponderance of evidence points

00:12:02.460 to a particular endpoint correct and then i say and because the bible is true i want to find out

00:12:07.940 how the bible argues for this endpoint or works alongside this endpoint take the flood that i

00:12:13.380 just talked about like a globe spanning flood and you could say well the flood was local yeah but

00:12:18.100 the bible doesn't talk about a local flood okay so we need to find out how the bible was talking

00:12:22.640 about a global flood and there's various ways you can do that you can watch our episode on that

00:12:26.080 um but uh the the um timothy albarino was was one particular topic this idea that we should not

00:12:36.460 continue to use science to advance the human condition where it modifies how we perceive

00:12:42.380 the world or some other things that appears to just be his personal inclination not particularly

00:12:48.460 derived from a reading of the bible or anything like that and then he works backwards to that

00:12:52.780 from the bible which is very anti-technopuritan um however nothing from this i would see as

00:12:57.680 anti-technopuritan and note i'm actually okay with that conclusion if i felt that there was

00:13:02.600 anything in the bible that argued for that conclusion i just don't see it i haven't seen

00:13:06.580 it yet in all my rereadings we'll change our minds if we do just you know how he gets to it

00:13:12.560 so you can understand okay if he first takes the argument of well the bible does argue about like

00:13:17.560 the watchers or the nephilim or the you know etc right which which are mentioned like the children

00:13:22.260 of god um and that these people he then argues are not subject to being saved by christ which

00:13:28.920 is not laid out by the bible um particularly the children of god not being you know but if they

00:13:34.460 turn out to be talking about the sons of seth versus the sons of king we've talked about this

00:13:38.100 um that's never said in the bible but he he then takes the argument that that's what's being laid

00:13:43.400 out here that christ can't save which is i don't understand why you would take that perspective

00:13:46.380 um and then he uses that to argue so clearly there's a type of human that christ can't save

00:13:51.000 which we we also argue as well with the concept of the pre-Adamite uh but he argues that these

00:13:55.300 are humans that are um like genetically polluted by like this angel race or something like that

00:14:02.020 which has superior technology in some way that could be analogous to human genetic engineering

00:14:06.000 or it's a very bad argument i'm gonna be honest but i find the argument that this guy took to be

00:14:12.960 interesting yeah note here if you want to ask malcolm if you find it plausible coherent with

00:14:21.460 both reality as we observe it and the bible taken seriously that angels are an alternate race that

00:14:27.380 actually bred with humans at some point why don't you believe it why do you opt for your understanding

00:14:34.100 and i would note here the classic techno puritan understanding or the one that i have advanced in

00:14:38.500 past tracks i would bark as much more coherent with our observation of the natural world and

00:14:45.380 slightly less coherent with what's written in the bible right like i think that this one tracks was

00:14:49.940 is what's written in the Bible slightly more

00:14:52.200 if you're looking for a perfectly coherent explanation,

00:14:55.800 but it dramatically less.

00:14:58.180 I'm going to say like at 10% the rate

00:15:00.280 it's coherent with the natural world.

00:15:01.960 It just doesn't openly object to the natural world.

00:15:05.520 Whereas mine, I would say is maybe 10% less coherent

00:15:09.840 with a literalist reading of the Bibles we have done

00:15:12.920 and significantly more coherent with the natural world.

00:15:16.480 Specifically, we don't have an archeological record

00:15:19.520 of these giant beings which i would expect us to have if they were real um uh we we should be able

00:15:25.520 to see it in ancient dna samples like it would look very very different from normal human dna

00:15:31.020 if this happened um this requirement still requires a flood that wiped out nearly all

00:15:37.060 of these types of beings and just not noah's line um even if this wasn't a world-spanning flood

00:15:43.180 this is an event we would almost certainly see in the archaeological record um who have to uh

00:15:50.040 just just a lot of stuff um so i like it i think it's plausible it's not uh like obviously wrong

00:15:57.440 um however i think it's dramatically dramatically less likely than our interpretation

00:16:04.200 okay i thought about this some more and i think i have an out for them

00:16:09.720 So let's see the evidence we have here. We have throughout ancient civilization, people describing the children of deities or semi-deities and men, and they often have very similar descriptions.

00:16:25.100 They are unusually large, they are unusually powerful, and people pay an unusual amount of attention to them and see them as like local heroes.

00:16:32.780 but because we see this all over the place in the in this region during this time we should be seeing

00:16:39.200 them in the archaeological record and we just don't however what if the reason we don't see

00:16:44.480 them in the archaeological record because their ability that makes people see them as extremely

00:16:49.660 large as glowing as extremely beautiful as these these figures worthy of intense attention

00:16:56.000 isn't a physical one but sort of like a hypnosis sort of a thing or an illusion that causes an

00:17:04.660 intense infatuation and as part of this infatuation you see them as extra large and so the their real

00:17:12.400 bodies were not unusually large it's just the way people perceived them and this is a side part of

00:17:18.360 them being men of renown as well as within the other traditions them doing these great feats

00:17:24.300 that could allow you to have both.

00:17:26.100 You still have the problem of the genetics

00:17:28.620 in the archaeological record,

00:17:29.880 but you could say we've lost

00:17:30.960 most of the genetics of this period.

00:17:33.060 You still have the problem of you needing a literal flood

00:17:35.760 to kill out lots and lots and lots and lots of people

00:17:37.900 that didn't appear to happen in this region.

00:17:40.520 But that does solve the large bodies problem

00:17:42.720 in, I think, a really elegant way.

00:17:44.940 If you want to see how we interpret those lines from Genesis,

00:17:47.500 you can go see our episode on that.

00:17:49.400 I think it's one of the best episodes we've ever done.

00:17:51.540 Because we go into a lot.

00:17:53.440 If you want to know generally how we see angels, I believe that most of the time when people saw an angel, what they saw was a hallucination of some sort, just a natural hallucination.

00:18:06.340 And God used these to appear to people at specific moments to represent the way we are supposed to interpret within our heads and within popular culture partitions of God within sort of the heavenly ecosystem.

00:18:21.240 but that they are not necessarily or they just don't need to be actual manifestations on earth

00:18:28.060 for a person to be honest when they say i saw x or i saw y nor do they need to be dishonest

00:18:35.120 representations from god i followed him for about a decade but over the last few years he's appeared

00:18:41.580 on high profile interviews including joe rogan in this past july as i understand it alberino

00:18:49.080 rejects what he calls medieval theology of angels as purely immaterial spirits. He treats them as

00:18:54.500 physical, non-human intelligent beings who belong to a real civilization that possesses technology,

00:18:59.780 language, and military capacity. The biblical text itself supports corporeality in places.

00:19:06.120 So I want to note what he said here. The idea of angels having ranks, the ideas of angels having

00:19:10.880 a society um this isn't as well attested as you might think if you are reading the core biblical

00:19:20.980 text so when you look at the way that we typically do track series we try to narrow the biblical

00:19:25.680 text we consider canon but if you expand the biblical text you consider canon to like enoch

00:19:30.960 and some of the other stuff uh this especially early myths around the bible and how it's

00:19:37.220 structured uh this is completely in line with that and uh i don't i don't have like a these

00:19:44.600 books definitely count these books definitely don't count i have a these books count to me

00:19:48.640 these books don't count to me but i i can't say um and and note here what i'm saying

00:19:54.300 techno-peritonism or whatever more broadly i'm just saying what i think is true in a rational

00:19:58.440 argument right because i could be swayed by any rational argument and when i hear this i hear the

00:20:04.020 beginnings of a rational framework that could sway me if i saw enough additional evidence as i was

00:20:09.620 going through the bible like since the beginning of the track series i have radically changed my

00:20:13.300 beliefs on a few topics based on evidence right um and and that evidence i mean this is why i take

00:20:19.980 this broader understanding here that i was talking to simone about is and it's where i use this word

00:20:27.440 this person's a techno puritan this person's a not is i'm saying are they somebody that if we sat

00:20:33.080 down and we started having an argument about what was true about reality, we would be using

00:20:38.480 the same evidence sources in the same way. And that means that we can intercommunicate about

00:20:46.500 the Bible, right? If somebody is going to come to me and they're going to point to one line,

00:20:52.140 right? Like, you know, upon this rock, I build my church or something like that. And they're

00:20:57.600 going to then extrapolate some giant theology from that. I would find that completely

00:21:02.700 unpersuasive, but I'm like, you're just not the type of person I can talk to because that's not

00:21:07.140 how I interpret reality or what the Bible says or anything like that. I need to look at the

00:21:12.340 plurality of lines in context, what they likely meant from my understanding to people of this

00:21:18.220 period, not just like I said one line, now it's over, right? But that's not what he's doing here,

00:21:23.000 right? He's trying to, well, as we'll see, understand what actually is true.

00:21:27.760 Abraham's visitors in Genesis 18 wash their feet, rest, and eat a prepared meal.

00:21:32.400 The same two angels later eat with Lot in Genesis 19 and are treated by the men of Sodom as ordinary physical males.

00:21:39.260 They eat and drink, wield weapons, ride vehicles of conveyance, chariots of fire, and can take human-compatible form when interacting with people on earth.

00:21:49.300 So, we're going to go into the categories of angels later in this, but angels typically come in one of three categories.

00:21:54.980 um but i went deep into this with leaflet on stream because i find it to be very interesting

00:22:00.480 and to me i find it to be evidence that the bible is likely true when angels are described in the

00:22:06.720 bible they are either described of being like humans as he's talking about here eating drinking

00:22:11.380 having weapons etc or they are described as being beings that are difficult to comprehend or beings

00:22:20.280 of like pure power like that thing with all the eyes right no no that's the third category okay

00:22:24.320 okay this is like a being of of of radiance came down like they talk about it samuel's mother i

00:22:30.800 think talks about an angel in this way um uh we're just sort of talked about as like beings

00:22:35.540 of pure radiance right sorry i meant samson's mother uh for the direct quote here it says

00:22:44.720 the woman came and told her husband saying a man of god came unto me and his countenance was like

00:22:49.660 the countenance of an angel of god very terrible but i asked him not whence he was neither he told

00:22:55.880 me his name and this is translated a few ways you get very awesome uh oh but uh basically it just

00:23:02.440 means like an overwhelming presence um and then the final category is like uh inter like interlocking

00:23:11.720 wheels covered in eyes um that move in right angles but not at right angles and in multiple

00:23:18.880 directions at the same time and what i find interesting about this final category um or

00:23:24.100 beings with a bunch of different heads that are moving in a way that doesn't make physical sense

00:23:28.120 is that they are describing something like when you're describing the odd way that this is moving

00:23:33.960 that might make sense if you were talking about a multi-dimensional entity um if you were talking

00:23:39.800 about an entity that existed in six seven even just four dimensions you would get behavior that

00:23:45.200 looked a lot about like that if you were projecting it into four dimensions uh or sorry

00:23:49.500 three dimensions in addition fascinating point and to get an understanding of what i'm talking

00:23:55.860 about here now as i beheld living creatures behold one wheel upon earth by living creatures with his

00:24:03.140 four faces the appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the color of barrel and they

00:24:08.540 had four had one likeness and their appearance and their work was it were a wheel in the middle

00:24:15.020 of a wheel when they went they went upon their four sides and they turned not when they went

00:24:21.660 which i find very interesting and that reminds me a lot of a four-dimensional object moving in

00:24:25.420 a three-dimensional space or perhaps even higher than four-dimensional object as for the rings

00:24:31.260 they were high and they were dreadful and on the rings were full of eyes round about them four and

00:24:37.820 when the living creatures went the wheels went with them and when the living creatures were lifted up

00:24:42.380 from the earth the wheels were lifted up whichever the spirit was to go went tither was their spirit

00:24:49.660 to go and the wheels were lifted over and against them for the spirit of the living creature was in

00:24:54.620 the wheels when those went these went and when those stood these stood and when those were lifted

00:25:02.780 up from the earth these wheels were lifted over and over again for the spirit of the living creature

00:25:07.500 was the wheels in addition to that um if we're just even today thinking about a sci-fi writer

00:25:13.940 trying to describe a truly um a truly alternate dimensional being they'd be like well they're

00:25:22.600 not going to have hands and feet like we do they're not going to have things that we would

00:25:25.240 see as comparable um and they might go so far as to describe something like the way that angels in

00:25:30.780 this form are described in the bible um and if you look at other religious traditions you see

00:25:36.640 literally nothing like this um you you see uh beings was like just like the head of another

00:25:42.960 animal or something like that or beings that are very big or beings that are you know um but but

00:25:49.320 this truly extra-dimensional sort of entity description is completely unique especially

00:25:55.660 during this period to the bible with the only real potential exception being

00:26:01.280 the mesoamerican deities the aztecs and stuff oh no no no no no but they fall into a separate

00:26:08.780 category which i say is like pure cosmic those were like yeah those were cosmic horror those

00:26:13.400 were all physically comprehensible and drawable and they did draw them and they no that's well

00:26:20.500 i mean when you talk about having mouths on all of your elbows and all of your knees that's fine

00:26:25.000 that's i can easily visualize that but what i would argue about those types of entities um and

00:26:30.800 i might go further in this in some of our tracks after reading the aztec video after seeing how

00:26:34.660 evil a lot of these groups came up to be and the theologies that they built i might go so far as to

00:26:41.500 say that i am beginning to become convinced that these might be true inversions of reality

00:26:48.460 a very true form of say like devil worship a very true form of basilic worship to understand why i

00:26:56.600 would say this i strongly suggest you watch our episode on the aztecs and their religious and

00:27:00.600 cultural practices they basically had an entire society based around causing pain on themselves

00:27:07.400 and others and they weren't even allowed to fully love their children or a god might notice and kill

00:27:13.760 their kid or smell a flower because that could cause them too much pleasure um really truly an

00:27:21.300 evil society from top to bottom again watch that episode if you're like well some things must have

00:27:26.240 been nice. It's like, no, uh, everything from the way children were raised to the way you related

00:27:31.240 to your baby, to the way you related to, you know, if your friends stumbled in a procession,

00:27:35.760 uh, the crowd would tear them apart and eat them. Um, and then they believed that they had this

00:27:43.020 horrible afterlife, even if they did everything else, right. If they were a priest or a warrior

00:27:46.820 and they stumbled in a procession torn apart by their friends and eaten. Um, and, uh, I might

00:27:52.940 even elevate that to one of our religious themed episodes because i think it could be so theologically

00:27:57.640 important the concept of um and and when people wonder why i why i say something can be truly

00:28:03.760 and honestly divinely inspired but in the inverse think of it this way uh if you have an image and

00:28:10.100 it is an exact image of reality but then somebody inverted the colors it would still be an exact

00:28:17.620 image of reality it would just be an inversion um or uh if somebody you know gives you a a line

00:28:26.260 image right except they've inverted black to white and white to black the image is still basically

00:28:31.780 accurate not not basically accurate it is it is perfectly accurate but an inversion of reality

00:28:38.580 and i think that those exist within the lessons of history well someone was uh someone mentioned

00:28:45.800 that what if all hist had some like theory that something unrecorded and extremely dark took place

00:28:52.620 in the americas and that it just screwed up everyone who was there um somehow like religiously

00:29:00.560 like he also thinks quetzalcoatl was a viking so he has some interesting theories on history all

00:29:06.860 right right fine i guess i actually did not really love his latin american video when a lot of people

00:29:11.800 are recommending it under our Aztec video i was like no he's not a good source on this

00:29:15.060 just just so people understand why he's not a good source on this he blames a lot of their like

00:29:19.600 really bad and evil behavior on the unpredictable weather patterns of el nino um the problem being

00:29:26.300 is that if their unpredictable weather patterns were so bad that they weren't able to build a

00:29:31.420 large population they wouldn't have been able to build a city that would have been second to only

00:29:36.440 one european city of an equivalent period with bronze age technology true it was clear that they

00:29:41.520 lived in an unusually

00:29:43.580 verdant area.

00:29:45.720 Even when taking into

00:29:47.500 account dry spells

00:29:49.380 and changes in climate.

00:29:51.660 So he just sort of

00:29:53.420 ends up believing

00:29:54.620 the classic

00:29:57.220 historian anthropologist take with I think

00:29:59.220 viewing it through a critical lens. Which is disappointing

00:30:01.420 but I understand.

00:30:03.160 I think he's just overly

00:30:04.480 sentimental and not willing to say these civilizations

00:30:07.380 are evil. Evil. Pure

00:30:09.440 evil. And so evil

00:30:11.460 that we may be able to learn something from them in the same way that i think shabbatai levy can

00:30:15.920 help you understand jesus by being a complete antithetical life to his right in in every way

00:30:23.980 that i work him into my religious teachings to highlight jesus i think you know when we're doing

00:30:28.240 title cards we sometimes will take a a black version of an arrow and put it behind the color

00:30:32.660 arrow to create a shadow effect because yeah so you can see it better yeah i think putting

00:30:37.540 shabbatite's living life next to jesus's life as a as a false messiah's life pops the jesus life

00:30:44.100 right you're like oh you know born rich born a carpenter put a throne on his head had a throne

00:30:49.840 of thorns you know claimed to be the messiah at every time in his life but when he was on trial

00:30:56.300 never claimed to be the messiah until he was put on trial that last one is it's a lot of other

00:31:01.540 christians would disagree with that but you can see our episode where we argue for this but yeah

00:31:05.820 so very interesting there with the aztecs i think they can create a pop for all of christian

00:31:12.220 civilization right like this is what the inversion looks like right the true inversion

00:31:16.940 continue continue here in this reading the war in heaven and the casting down of satan are kinetic

00:31:22.600 events involving real agents not a purely mental or spiritual drama that conception sits more

00:31:27.500 comfortably with a monist materialist universe than the later ethereal model even though alberino

00:31:31.740 himself is not a materialist monist returning to genesis six now hold on i want to be clear

00:31:37.800 about something here because i've said it in other tract episodes being a materialist monist

00:31:42.640 and not being a materialist monist as a but approaching text tracks from a techno puritan

00:31:48.520 perspective uh really isn't that particularly different so even if you're out there and you

00:31:55.280 say well i believe that this is talking about real events with real entities but they live in

00:32:00.620 an alternate plane that I will call the supernatural plane, you still believe that

00:32:05.500 that plane has rules and technology, and it's just stuff that we don't fully understand yet.

00:32:12.200 So from that perspective, you are not different. Like you're not actually biting any differences

00:32:17.520 from me. We're still talking about the same things. And being a materialist modus, I don't

00:32:22.840 have any problems with that form of the supernatural. I have problems with the wishy

00:32:28.380 thinking supernatural right um which is clearly not the form of supernatural that he's talking

00:32:34.760 about oh not at all no these are concrete weird things that are happening and he's talking about

00:32:39.920 that were documented here on the phrase the mighty men of old i read it differently from a moral

00:32:45.160 endorsement if the angelic interpretation is correct the text is simply recording how these

00:32:50.900 hybrid offspring were remembered in human tradition they were remembered as the celebrated

00:32:56.260 heroes and demigods of antiquity. 0.94

00:32:59.560 Think about it.

00:33:00.760 Who were the parents of Hercules?

00:33:02.760 A human woman and a god.

00:33:05.160 The same is true of Perseus, Achilles, Bellerophon.

00:33:09.660 These are not isolated.

00:33:11.260 Mesopotamian, Greek, and other ancient Near Eastern

00:33:13.760 and Mediterranean traditions are full of heroes of old

00:33:16.560 who claim mixed divine human ancestry,

00:33:18.860 possess extraordinary strength, fame,

00:33:21.160 and often act as tyrannical or violent rulers.

00:33:26.260 now um i didn't expect i didn't expect this i thought this was surprising to see like i thought

00:33:32.780 this was a good argument a very good argument yeah and people can be like why do you think

00:33:35.960 it's a good argument it's not a christian argument it's not referencing christian texts and it's not

00:33:38.800 referencing science yes but it is referencing a common phenomenon we see throughout this region

00:33:45.640 which is well recorded in the historic record right um multiple religions in this region recorded

00:33:53.440 god-like beings having children um with non-god beings and their children going on defeats of

00:34:01.520 great renown and that is exactly what the way the bible talks about the children of the son of god

00:34:09.020 and the sons of myth is these these great figures who go on defeats of great renown

00:34:13.780 um there's so much that you could say it's it's eerily similar right and when i hear something

00:34:19.420 like this um it doesn't move me all the way to this position but it's definitely like yeah that's

00:34:25.500 a really interesting phenomenon that's being pointed out there and this is where i think

00:34:29.960 in terms of biblical analysis it's really okay to pull in external traditions um you know for

00:34:37.100 example when we are talking about a global flood myth i think it is totally like like fine to try

00:34:43.680 to edify the bible by arguing well look at all these flood myths and all these other traditions

00:34:49.420 right like why is everybody talking about this flood miss yeah if a global flood didn't like

00:34:55.040 it almost seems like it's shorthand for something yes it's like if in the in thousands of years

00:35:00.880 people are like and then they always would jump over a shark and it meant the end times they

00:35:07.360 would jump over a shark and everything was over where were the sharks i don't understand their

00:35:13.820 religion cannot be true why would they jump over sharks that doesn't think the whole religion is

00:35:19.820 wrong you know but that's the way a techno puritan looks at it but what i'm saying is if you wanted

00:35:23.140 to argue that a literal global flood did happen i'd have trouble believing it because of the

00:35:27.280 genetic and archaeological record um and and geological record and so many other things

00:35:33.780 um but um uh the the plant record the difficulty in getting all the animals back to their respective

00:35:41.800 locations on earth um that all said um i do think that a genuinely good argument for a global flood

00:35:51.700 is alternate mythological traditions that capture what yeah absolutely i mean and what we what you

00:35:58.200 talk about with the old testament a lot is that what you're looking at is is people being given

00:36:05.540 a message and then you know hopefully a message that is going to land and impart the right lesson

00:36:11.040 that they can understand at the time in words they can understand at the time in scenarios

00:36:14.480 they can understand at the time then i could also see like some messages being misinterpreted like

00:36:20.260 turning into a polytheistic worship system and then some people getting it right like a message

00:36:25.840 not falling quite right with all populations and being interpreted in different ways so

00:36:29.540 yeah it works for me i like it i think it's a really fun theory um and note here with the ai

00:36:34.780 work i find this pretty fun like uh here where he's standing in front of the actual statue he's

00:36:39.320 going to use to argue a point um yeah just just just for quick like quick shout out this is from

00:36:44.360 graf herzog kaiser um on on x at uh lyro of the kaiser and he explained that he made all the

00:36:53.480 clips and assets in grok your video just went out oh dear sorry someone tex is pulling at my camera

00:37:01.300 cords would you need me to come in and beat him for you no he's being he's being a cutie i don't

00:37:08.400 right so anyway um what oh god now i lost this sorry anyway what at lyro of the kaiser on x

00:37:19.460 explained who made this is that he made all the clips and assets in grok imagine and then at

00:37:24.360 points he interposed historical paintings or sculptures into an image and then animated it

00:37:29.300 so the final cut was made with cap cut which is just the the go-to tiktok editing software it's

00:37:34.220 really easy to use especially on your phone now he's learning how to use da vinci but in his his

00:37:38.900 tweet where he explained this he he just took like actual just pictures of old paintings and then had

00:37:44.980 them put into the ai generated images you'll put this take this piece of art this sculpture like

00:37:50.160 this actual photo of a sculpture and it ended up in the art he made so it's really cool to see the

00:37:55.840 process that he used to make this and that just makes it so much more fun i i really like it and

00:38:01.660 it's so what great delivery anyway just gotta just gotta hat tip that so cool

00:38:05.940 gilgamesh is explicitly described as two-thirds divine the son of the goddess ninson and the

00:38:13.120 human king lugalbanda if this carving is to scale he would also be a giant as that's an adult male

00:38:19.580 lion he has under arm under the watcher reading genesis 6 supplies the original event that later

00:38:25.920 legends preserved in distorted form non-human uh note here that this is something you see

00:38:32.080 throughout these traditions is that the beings that are related to gods are very very large

00:38:38.120 compared to normal humans and the bible also talks about these entities being unusually large

00:38:43.920 particularly the nephilim uh descendants are noted as unusually large when they are re-encountered by

00:38:49.600 the israelites when celestial beings took human women and produced offspring who became the

00:38:54.980 celebrated and feared mighty men of antiquity the biblical narrator is not calling them good

00:39:01.640 the surrounding context is the rising wickedness that triggers the flood the phrase describes their

00:39:06.920 fame not their righteousness in that life and and this this correlates with you know if i'm reading

00:39:13.480 this text in isolation i can be like it does appear to be talking about them being uh at least

00:39:19.880 i don't think it's obvious that they're wicked i think that there is you know you can read it in

00:39:23.700 multiple ways but if you correlate these individuals with the heroes of old and you

00:39:30.020 contextualize them as uh you know pagan in a negative context then this reading makes a lot

00:39:37.280 more sense to sort of read it in that particular context which i which i like doing um also if

00:39:42.780 you're wondering how i think angels work in this context why do they sometimes appear to be

00:39:46.320 extradimensional beings why do they sometimes appear to be just power why do they sometimes

00:39:50.420 look like humans uh you could argue it's some form of technology they're using um and something

00:39:55.920 about like the genetics that they choose when they appear as humans is so supernaturally good

00:40:02.320 because they can choose any genetics they want uh that it leads to these giant offspring so it's

00:40:07.540 like when you choose your gaming avatar you just like choose like the super hot like giant person

00:40:13.260 because you're like you can choose anything but it's like i want to be yeah yeah that's the way

00:40:19.120 I'd interpret this. Genesis 6 becomes a terse account of the historical reality that later

00:40:24.080 myths preserved in legendary form. It's at this point that I'm going to get extra biblical.

00:40:29.820 Alberino incorporates the book of Enoch into his analysis of the antediluvian world.

00:40:34.660 The book of Enoch contains many more details about the watchers,

00:40:37.660 their miscegenation with humanity, and the resulting fallout. The book of Enoch places

00:40:42.700 the descent of the 200 watchers in the days of Jared. This is presented as a second distinct

00:40:46.840 rebellion after the original fall of satan and his followers in which the watchers bound themselves

00:40:50.340 by oath to take human wives the resulting hybrids and the forbidden knowledge they taught are said

00:40:54.500 to have corrupted all flesh alberino reads this as an attempt to prevent the genesis 3 15 promise

00:40:59.740 the seed of the woman who would crush the serpent's head by contaminating the human bloodline in that

00:41:04.140 light the statement that noah was perfect in his generations genesis 6 9 can be understood as

00:41:08.100 including genetic purity in addition to moral blamelessness it's important to clarify no that's

00:41:13.660 really interesting as well so if you're talking about a purely supernatural in a traditional

00:41:19.140 context a wishy-wishy being or whatever right breeding was humans i'm like no if you're talking

00:41:24.660 about the supernatural realm being an alternate dimensional plane with different rules a different

00:41:30.780 technology and a different civilization living within it that is operated by different moral

00:41:35.260 or whatever norms that's totally plausible to me um and uh that those beings might find a way if

00:41:43.200 have near infinite technology from our perspective or at least all wildly different technology than 1.00

00:41:48.480 the technology we understand um that they would be able to impregnate human women that also seems

00:41:53.520 plausible to me um that if angels existed as an alternate real civilization uh rather than

00:42:00.240 an allegory or something like that or a way of talking about far future humans as i typically

00:42:05.040 think about um uh or partitions of god uh as i often sort of talk about them as um it would make

00:42:13.640 total sense that they would go to war with each other that they would have regular societal

00:42:17.080 issues which is what's being talked about in things like enoch yeah um and then that they

00:42:22.840 could bring their technology to earth it's very sg1 i'm gonna be honest it is so yeah it's extremely

00:42:27.960 sg1 genetic purity in this context if by the time of the flood of noah all flesh had been corrupted

00:42:32.720 than the significance of Noah was his ability to trace his lineage back to Adam, that he was

00:42:36.420 fully human. This would contrast with the mixed heritage of the mighty men of old. The point is

00:42:40.400 Noah's humanity, not his race. One named figure may already be familiar from your earlier work

00:42:45.620 on the books of Moses. In Leviticus 16, the life goat on the day of atonement is sent to Azazel

00:42:51.100 in the wilderness. Azazel is the only watcher from the book of Enoch who is named in the canonical

00:42:55.900 Old Testament. In 1 Enoch... Now, I want to be clear here because he's going to talk more about

00:43:00.920 Azazel. This is why I get so

00:43:02.760 annoyed when people are like, Azazel isn't a

00:43:04.760 demon. It's the name of a cliff or something

00:43:06.700 like that. I'm like, no.

00:43:08.520 Especially if you're reading the surrounding text. Azazel

00:43:10.680 was very clearly a demon. This

00:43:12.600 ceremony was being performed for

00:43:14.800 a demon. It was an evil ceremony.

00:43:17.300 It is not a ceremony that

00:43:18.720 we should be copying or trying to

00:43:21.440 analogize 0.60

00:43:24.040 to Jesus'

00:43:24.820 life, as some people do.

00:43:26.820 It's very bad, very naughty.

00:43:28.700 Don't do it. Okay?

00:43:29.540 Enoch, he is one of the chief leaders of the 200 and is specifically bound in the desert under rocks and darkness.

00:43:36.940 The New Testament writers clearly knew the larger tradition.

00:43:40.620 2 Peter 2.4 speaks of angels cast into Tartarus and chains of darkness.

00:43:45.760 Jude 6 describes angels who left their proper dwelling and are kept in eternal chains.

00:43:50.560 And Jude 14 and 15 directly quotes 1 Enoch 1.9.

00:43:53.940 in the techno puritan tracts you have pointed out that the conscious intermediate state

00:43:59.220 souls going immediately to okay before i go further i want to talk about the book of enoch

00:44:03.280 here um so the way that i think that god works in terms of edifying which parts of these traditions

00:44:10.820 or books we are supposed to really investigate for what is true is through the versions of them

00:44:17.800 he preserves within traditions

00:44:20.960 and with the versions of them

00:44:23.500 he keeps logically consistent, right?

00:44:26.020 And that's why we throw out things like revelations

00:44:27.980 and stuff like this, as many other theologians did.

00:44:29.960 Martin Luther did, for example.

00:44:32.600 And we were like, oh, that's horrible you did. 0.85

00:44:34.120 I'm like, it's actually a very common thing

00:44:35.680 for like really nerdy theologians to do

00:44:37.800 who like really care about what's true

00:44:39.780 and what's not true

00:44:40.560 when they begin to investigate this more.

00:44:43.400 And because I'm willing to say a Bible

00:44:45.280 that something like the Council of Nicene says

00:44:47.540 one of the books is definitely canon i'm like i don't see it as canon as the others i'm also

00:44:52.680 willing to be like the book of enoch might have more than the to to read to it than than you would

00:44:59.380 think just because it wasn't one of the canonized texts right like i'm willing to take that very

00:45:04.200 seriously um i just haven't seen from my perspective enough correlation with that and

00:45:12.260 reality for me to say i definitely want to incorporate it but it's something i'm curious

00:45:16.120 about it and I think it's important to be educated on and within. A place of reward or punishment

00:45:20.880 looks more like the Greek framework of Elysium and Tartarus than the earlier biblical picture

00:45:25.480 of the dead resting until a future bodily resurrection. Second Peter's choice of language

00:45:30.680 is therefore striking. The verb Tartaro, cast into Tartarus, appears only once in the New Testament

00:45:35.040 and it uses a term that would have been culturally familiar in the Greco-Roman world

00:45:38.360 as a deep conscious place of confinement and punishment for rebellious divine beings,

00:45:42.180 originally the titans peter is not inventing a new concept he is reaching for a known category

00:45:48.260 to describe the present condition of the sinning angels held in chains of darkness

00:45:52.020 still awaiting the final judgment from the watcher perspective this fits so this is really

00:45:58.600 interesting and what he's going to argue here is that you know how we talk about like the problems

00:46:02.000 was like the immediate heaven and the immediate hell versus the land to come and the lake of fire

00:46:05.340 and everything like that yeah yeah he basically argues as this other guy does that hell does

00:46:12.120 exist like immediate hell does exist but it's for angels only um and not for human beings um

00:46:20.440 this this chained up place and and that i mean imagine you're talking about these extra-dimensional

00:46:25.700 beings had a war and have some sort of extra-dimensional prison system um this prison

00:46:32.620 system might genuinely have chains and fire and simulated pain in it you know uh we don't we don't

00:46:40.640 know how these beings treat morality it may not be exactly god's judgment but but the way that

00:46:45.820 this civilization operates yeah um or you know there could be interdimensional rules of like

00:46:52.420 look if you interfere with on if you go on my turf if you trespass you will be subject to

00:46:58.760 punishment i don't know it's interesting it's interesting the 200 are not annihilated nor are

00:47:04.960 they free to operate they are confined in a conscious intermediate state until the great day

00:47:09.160 that is precisely the kind of intermediate existence that you have noted as more greek

00:47:13.580 than classical jewish whether one takes this as evidence that the new testament authors were

00:47:18.800 already operating with a blended cosmology or as evidence that they regarded the enochic tradition

00:47:23.240 as describing a real if temporary holding place for a specific class of rebels the terminological

00:47:28.580 choice is not accidental furthermore i personally do not believe that this viewpoint negates the

00:47:33.480 classically jewish viewpoint of resting until the resurrection as the subject of one condition is a

00:47:37.460 group of rebel angels and the subject of the other is humanity i i think this is really clever um

00:47:43.600 and it's something that i i want to think about more i want to keep in mind that i'm reading more

00:47:49.300 of the bible to see if it correlates with the other stuff i'm seeing um and and note here this

00:47:54.120 is a massive jump if i accept that angels are not a way of disguise of describing partitions

00:48:01.760 of god's consciousness but a genuine and and are also not semi-deities that's always been my

00:48:08.400 problem is treating angels as a form of like dim identity right like they're god's bureaucratic

00:48:14.020 underlings yeah but if you say that no no no they're actually a a separate race that serves

00:48:21.780 a role in god's plan which it seems so much more concordant with the bible because he the the old

00:48:28.800 testament mentions other gods and also god being not cool with other gods um and yeah they just

00:48:33.960 could just be like there is this species there are other dimensions and other species like let's

00:48:40.580 but it could be other gods to the angels or specific angels that are particularly powerful

00:48:46.500 that like it makes sense to talk about them in this context but but the point being is this idea

00:48:51.520 that this other society that's not humanity would have a form of prison for rebellious entities

00:48:59.560 that might need to be more harsh more severe or just perceived very differently from the way

00:49:05.280 humanity thinks about confinement seems logically consistent it's very men in black yeah uh but

00:49:13.460 anyway to continue a quick note the argument is not enoch should be in the bible it is jude quotes

00:49:19.240 by name. Peter describes a prison Genesis never mentions. Daniel already uses the Watcher title

00:49:23.860 and the book was on the shelf at Qumran. The authors did not have to canonize the book to

00:49:27.960 know the story. Alberino's point is that the canonicity debate is secondary. The more relevant

00:49:33.680 question is whether the Enochic account preserves a tradition the biblical authors themselves treated

00:49:37.980 as known and usable. No, that is not what's important to me. What's important to me is I

00:49:45.260 think a lot of the traditions that we have in the bible used to have a lot of additional stupid 0.66

00:49:50.160 stuff attached to them that by miraculous means did not get recorded in the the bible that became

00:49:57.740 popular right and the fact that they did not i see as being part of the way that god handled this

00:50:04.700 right if i go back to the what the people who originally crafted the story of adam and eve

00:50:10.720 believed or what the people who originally crafted the because these appear to be two different

00:50:16.080 world beginning stories the garden of eden story and then the you know the in the beginning story

00:50:20.920 right uh that most biblical scholars see is um being potentially from even two different people

00:50:27.660 and then sort of crafted onto each other now even if they aren't i have to ask myself the people who

00:50:32.360 believed those two stories before we had all the other stories in the bible what else did they 0.82

00:50:38.420 believe about the world probably a lot of other really stupid stuff that just wasn't recorded 0.99

00:50:43.000 right um and i think that that's miraculous that the stupid stuff wasn't recorded and the stuff 0.97

00:50:47.840 that correlates with their modern understanding of science was um science reality history that said 0.87

00:50:54.120 um uh and that's why if we could go back and we could find some archaeological record

00:50:59.920 of the other things that the people who first believed the stories of genesis believed i would

00:51:06.880 not be like, oh, now those things are true. Now those things have additional value to them because

00:51:11.660 this people ages ago used to believe in it. As we pointed out, if you look at what we understand

00:51:18.800 about the people of Genesis, they appear to not believe in a soul. The Jews didn't appear to 1.00

00:51:25.900 believe in a soul for centuries, even after they had their identity. And yes, we personally do 0.53

00:51:33.960 do hold on to that that part of their tradition um because i think that that's what's recorded in

00:51:38.380 all of the the recorded documents that we have um or at least a soul is something that's totally

00:51:42.900 separate from the human body and identity um not a soul more broadly when i talk about the soul all

00:51:47.820 the time i'm just you know not yep i think that's it's not a point to belabor uh we have another

00:51:53.000 other tracks uh the point here being is i don't think this guy would see the fact that jews in

00:51:59.340 one point of their history didn't believe in a soul as evidence that he shouldn't believe in a

00:52:03.220 soul um uh but he sees that christians at one point in the bible's history believed enoch was

00:52:10.340 particularly special edifying enoch um i it's not that i don't see that argument as having no weight

00:52:17.320 i see it as having some strong weight not even like minor weight strong weight i just don't see

00:52:22.120 it as a slam dunk believe i've said enough for the time being if i managed to answer any of the

00:52:27.320 questions you had posed i expect i opened the door to quite a few more i welcome any questions

00:52:32.680 you may have, though I'm confident enough in my ignorance to say that I won't have all the answers.

00:52:37.960 And that's why we're here, isn't it? As Proverbs 25.2 says, it is the glory of God to conceal a

00:52:44.420 matter and the honor of kings to seek a matter out. I think the framing here of answering questions

00:52:50.980 is the wrong framing because he's not actually answering questions. What he's proposing is

00:52:56.380 another internally coherent hypothesis for what the bible may mean if we take it seriously and we

00:53:04.340 align it with our current understanding of history in the natural world um or supernatural world for

00:53:11.620 that meaning i mean when i say the natural world that would include if we could study spirits and

00:53:16.400 get reliable results then i would fold that into my understanding of the bible and try to be like

00:53:22.660 okay well where does this align with this where does this align with this um but the the thing

00:53:29.280 i hate most when christians do this and he's not doing this here is when they're like this is what 1.00

00:53:33.820 christians believe you know they'll say this in the comments and i'm like how stupid can you be 1.00

00:53:37.900 like how actual stupid can you be to not realize that there is a diversity of beliefs among 1.00

00:53:42.780 christians and you are what your local church tells you is not the arbiter of what's true from 1.00

00:53:49.660 the bible like that is theologically repulsive to me and actually it was funny to me is even the

00:53:56.160 group that does this the most is not the group that most people consider christians mormons do

00:54:00.800 this all the time they're like this is what mormons believe um and i'm like i'm sorry i know a lot of

00:54:06.460 mormons who believe other things and uh i can go to your canonical texts and show you things that

00:54:11.820 disagree with this what you mean is that's what you were told um uh by your local priest and now

00:54:17.620 you believe that it is a universal truism among your people. And I think that the only group that

00:54:23.040 doesn't do this very much is Jews. Jews at least understand that there is a diversity of beliefs

00:54:26.820 among Jews. You'll occasionally get a, this is what Jews believe. And I'm like, not all Jews, 0.82

00:54:32.060 buddy. And somebody can say, well, the majority of Christians believe this. And generally when

00:54:37.300 I have people say, this is what Christians believe with a lot of confidence, it is not

00:54:40.720 what the majority of Christians believe. Rarely do I actually hear them say something that is

00:54:46.480 an almost universally agreed upon thing among Christians. Uh, it is, it is their own local 1.00

00:54:50.660 interpretation. Um, but within techno puritanism, we don't expect this of people, right? Like even

00:54:56.200 within our narrow degree of faith, it's just like, is your interpretation logically consistent,

00:55:02.880 coherent? Does it take the Bible seriously? Is it aimed at long-term human flourishing? Um, and

00:55:08.820 is it coherent with a observable understanding of the reality around us and uh that doesn't

00:55:17.540 mean that it has to be monist that doesn't mean that it has to be uh like ours and i think that

00:55:22.500 he he does this and these two things can sit next to each other because we don't have proof which

00:55:27.880 is right yet and one day we might have proof and then we fold it in but the moment we have proof

00:55:34.220 people who think what we think, what Simone and I thinks, and technopuritans who think what he

00:55:39.360 thinks or other hypotheses are going to fold in with the right one if they stay technopuritans,

00:55:44.320 because now we have a better understanding of reality. And with that better understanding of

00:55:48.080 reality, we lower the potential alternate hypotheses, which count as internally consistent

00:55:54.160 and plausible. Note here, the thing to me that makes the evidence strongest at what's being

00:56:00.520 described as a multidimensional entity is the way that how it moves is described moving without

00:56:06.720 moving or moving in weird ways uh because there is no reason if you were making something up if

00:56:13.680 you were trying to make up a maximally impressive or some sort of like near eastern uh chariot

00:56:20.580 analogy with slight flourishes you wouldn't do that that's not a thing you would add but if you

00:56:26.320 had actually seen a multi-dimensional entity moving in three-dimensional space that would

00:56:31.180 be the most striking thing and something that it would be almost impossible not to mention

00:56:36.380 if you were going to retell that to somebody i can say that i had quite a bit of fun with

00:56:41.520 this project i got to dive back into a biblical topic of particular interest to me and practice

00:56:47.200 ai video generation and editing all important subjects for an aspiring ai mansa such as

00:56:52.680 myself thank you both so much for all your content and your hard work in steering civilization

00:56:58.320 toward the golden path this project marks my entrance upon the field of history to join you

00:57:02.940 in that noble effort until next time i wish you growth blessings and prosperity auf wiedersehen

00:57:08.580 strong entrance i say yeah no i guess strong entrance i really like this and the reason i

00:57:16.060 wanted to cover this is because i wanted to point out within the wider track series within our

00:57:20.640 belief series that techno puritanism our belief system does not mean that you believe what we

00:57:27.620 believe okay it's not like i'm laying out what's true about reality what i am laying out is a way

00:57:35.340 of investigating the bible okay um uh and and a way of trying to determine what's true

00:57:42.200 was a set of rules about how that conversation works um and uh

00:57:50.780 the that that set of rules can mean a lot of things right that set of rules uh is is very

00:57:58.960 very very broad um uh but what it requires is that i'm able to have a conversation with somebody

00:58:05.020 and it's clear the way that this argument is laid out even though it's a completely different

00:58:08.820 metaphysical framework than mine even though it includes a supernatural realm even though

00:58:12.400 i would put all of this under the techno puritan tradition a hundred percent without a foot of it

00:58:17.340 being techno puritan heretical um now if you went out and without good arguments said humans engaging

00:58:24.500 in genetic modification or something like that is is heretical um that's where i'd be like no that

00:58:29.880 is actually heretical because that's not an argument that you could derive but everything

00:58:33.080 said in well i mean if someone laid out really good evidence for it of course yeah if they laid

00:58:37.160 out good evidence i just haven't seen it from the people who argue that right but everything said in

00:58:41.480 this video i see as being very strongly under this tradition um and so i was talking with simone and

00:58:47.620 it's like well what then does it really mean like what do you need to believe to be a techno puritan

00:58:52.380 where are the boundaries of the tradition um and the boundaries of the tradition are around your

00:58:57.760 ability to inquiry and this is why it's very hard to be a techno puritan within some traditions

00:59:03.560 Because if you have some body that can just tell you when you're trying to figure out what's true, know you're wrong because the bureaucrats decided you're wrong, then it's really hard to ever be a technopuritan.

00:59:15.140 But if you are, no matter how broad your beliefs are, as long as it appears that you are genuinely attempting to search for what is true, taking the Bible morally seriously and taking observable reality and predictable reality morally seriously, then I consider that part of this framework.

00:59:33.820 great and i loved this so much and yeah man view i did not expect to hear an idea i just

00:59:43.160 hadn't heard before so i'll also love the

00:59:44.940 texas uh he agrees too i love you i love you too

00:59:50.580 stick even get five minutes into a podcast i'm never signed because it was such a bad software

00:59:57.600 and our fam it works pretty well and we're going to be trying out a new feature today so yes i

01:00:02.760 love it the vtuber feature the share screen and then you put in play video so you don't have to

01:00:06.680 like go to stream a video somewhere you can just upload a file which is so much better i really

01:00:11.600 like it so let's see how this works he said i'm glad you liked it as for the production i was able

01:00:17.280 to make all the clips and assets in grok imagine at points i interposed historical paintings or

01:00:23.300 sculptures into image and then animated it the final cut was made with cap cut now i'm trying

01:00:28.820 to learn da Vinci which is just great it's yeah very straightforward before I begin I want to

01:00:36.420 mention there we go okay okay this this appears to be working so well that looks really good

01:00:42.760 that's really good that is perfect yeah okay I'm gonna mute myself well I mean we can see

01:00:49.980 do you want to stop recording and see what a fan would see first or do you want to

01:00:54.500 just record the whole video and hope it works

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Based Camp - September 11, 2026

Angels⧸Watchers⧸Nephilim： Are They An Extra-Dimensional Civilization？ (Exploring A Bible Theory)

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