Based Camp - Anti-Man BDSM Cult That Made Video Games & Invented Cosplay (Nothing Changes)

00:00:00.000 The Female Disciplinary Manual. 1.00

00:00:03.480 It presents, quote, a complete guide to the correction and chastisement of young ladies, 0.96

00:00:11.740 end quote.

00:00:12.440 And it included, in case you need to be convinced more to check out the original text, different

00:00:18.600 types of canes and how to use them, methods of spanking, the use of the strap, and practical

00:00:25.340 cautions and instructions for corporal punishment. 1.00

00:00:27.800 so the lesbians agree with the neo-nazis that let's just wear old style clothing and beat women 0.90

00:00:34.200 um i mean that all sounds very reasonable to me oh my god would you like to know more 0.58

00:00:42.760 hello malcolm i'm very excited and angry to be speaking with you today because apparently you've 0.98

00:00:49.260 been sitting on knowledge of a bizarre group of sapphic lesbians with tumultuous connections to

00:00:55.640 primal so hold on so she comes to me and she goes malcolm if i say victorian women in the 1980s 0.69

00:01:02.440 does that mean anything to you and i was like no and i go well unless you're talking about that

00:01:07.960 sex cult that made video games then like of course i'm very familiar with them and she goes wait what

00:01:13.120 and i'm like simone when it comes to victorian sex cults in the 1980s i'm pretty sure i'm familiar

00:01:18.720 with a lot of them and you didn't tell me you even were like no simone we recorded an episode

00:01:25.260 on this we did not record an episode on this you've like you you i figured our audience would

00:01:30.260 already know about the victorian sex cult that's made video games in the 1980s well then why didn't

00:01:34.760 you tell me this is fascinating and we have so much in common with them between like the

00:01:39.540 the antiquated you know costumes and the beatings and the the built religion and they moved they

00:01:47.920 moved the video game they were they made some genuinely important games and like yes and like

00:01:52.100 the the high-tech like gaming developing like come on this is it's it's our kind of thing but

00:01:57.600 thankfully no thanks to you multiple base camp listeners directed me to a youtube video by a

00:02:04.820 young man accompanied by a durian who he claimed to be his co-host who talks about this movement

00:02:10.160 and clearly he's our kind of guy so i had to absolutely dive in what do you mean a durian

00:02:14.680 isn't that a fruit yes a durian he sits next to a durian because he's i thought that was some sort

00:02:19.900 of an ethnic slur so come on oh god no it's a durian he he appears to have attached eyes to it

00:02:28.320 i'm linking to his video in the show notes i mean i do the same and the audience never

00:02:33.320 you know am i just a durian with eyes pasted on me yes literally we're just the same exact

00:02:41.180 channel um it's just I mean Simone you are a woman yes thanks um it's gonna be a lot of women 1.00

00:02:51.180 in this episode but anyway I I like durians it's the word for them they smell terrible 1.00

00:02:59.300 they don't think for themselves just googly eyes and spiky um yeah spiky on the outside soft 0.95

00:03:07.380 innards and disgusting smelling innards oh god okay anyway um it's important for us to actually

00:03:14.680 talk about them not just because they're insanely entertaining but because here we have literally a

00:03:21.200 crafted religion that then attempted to become financially self-sustaining and get its footing

00:03:27.920 a bunch of different times and you have talked a lot about like look this you know once you you

00:03:33.740 have a religion that creates you know its own special like dogma and practices and everything

00:03:40.020 else like they can often pick off really well why did this one not we should explore that and of

00:03:45.240 course there are obvious reasons why not we'll get into them um but i think it's still very important

00:03:49.700 and also really fun to look at religions that attempted to rise and how this one just went

00:03:55.420 into like crazy town super fast um it's one of those like if you saw the robot olympics you saw

00:04:01.480 how like many of them started off running like absolutely amazingly they like hit a wall and

00:04:06.520 like fall in half and sparks come out that is this religion and but like as it falls apart you're

00:04:13.020 dying with laughter and so it's wonderful and beautiful and so look we're gonna i'm i am jumping

00:04:19.260 into this rabbit hole after you and i'm doing that like skydiving thing where you make yourself into

00:04:24.040 a stick so you fly down faster so i can punch you midair as we fall through because i'm mad at you

00:04:28.960 about this but then we're going to fall through it together and enjoy ourselves um but anyway

00:04:32.960 definitely hat tip to tors cabinet of curiosities which is the the youtube channel that made

00:04:37.520 the video titled the neo-victorian neo-nazi lesbian bdsm cult that made video games which

00:04:43.720 got me into this go watch the video i don't i tried to not cover what he covered because

00:04:47.700 i think we should have a different angle and anyway it's a good video you should watch it

00:04:52.140 there's a durian in it which is great and she's better than i am i guess the weird movement that

00:04:57.260 we're talking about Simone only smelling I hate you I hate you so much I'm gonna go join a sapphic 0.98

00:05:07.500 lesbian BDSM cult and you'll be all by yourself just deal with it although there was there was 0.99

00:05:13.580 like at various points in the history of this group there was like one guy one guy that's like

00:05:18.900 sort of ill-explained at one point he was a butler I don't know if it's the same guy like there was

00:05:22.980 another guy that was like at the pre the very early stages of the first physical manifestation 0.93

00:05:27.260 anyway you could be that guy but like the so everyone else needs to be a woman okay we'll

00:05:32.380 be bringing in lots of women all right oh my god never mind i'm canceling this always what your 0.97

00:05:37.340 episodes come to it's malcolm you need more wives and it's like i agree now why do i only have one

00:05:42.500 wife why does it always end up in this selfish of you simone to hog me what am i gonna do what am i

00:05:48.700 gonna do i'm just gonna okay we're gonna okay the emergence the emergence of this religion did you

00:05:53.840 know it wasn't actually religion first uh it was a religion first i did not know that okay okay so

00:05:58.700 basically this this all came out of a 1970s fantasy world that broke containment and the

00:06:06.640 interesting thing about it and i'll touch on this later but like this fantasy world did partially

00:06:13.140 break containment but then the fantasy world part of it just kept on going and then the containment

00:06:19.180 breaking like recombined with the fantasy world after it failed basically to become a proper

00:06:24.940 religion and then kind of fell back into a fantasy world um that's okay continue anyway

00:06:30.040 around 1973 and 74 a small oxford-based circle produced the texts that became the madrian or

00:06:37.680 philonic sacred writings notably the sacred mythos the crystal tablet and the teachings of

00:06:44.060 the daughter so here we are already one of the key components of a new religion like actual original

00:06:49.060 writings okay members of the this new movement thought the writings were divinely inspired they

00:06:57.340 would sometimes be described in terms of divine trance rather than merely being this conventionally

00:07:04.160 authored religious manifesto and a more public movement emerged from people into this under the

00:07:12.140 banner lux madriana distributing scripture and catechism they had a newsletter called the coming

00:07:17.680 age they held religious observances and they recruited through this feminist occult and

00:07:23.280 alternative spirituality network that of course was like everywhere in the 70s so it while there

00:07:29.380 were a lot of like goddess movements and wiccans in the 1970s this was different because it wasn't

00:07:37.000 simply wicca with the stronger female focus it was presented as this structured devotional religion

00:07:42.860 and so it's more like um a sacral tradition with scripture and prayer and catechism and feast days

00:07:49.380 and rosaries and priestly roles and moral teachings than like the craft and a later

00:07:55.380 Philanist source describes the founders not as this formal college club. It wasn't Oxford

00:07:59.880 affiliated, but it was a small group of people in the Oxford area and home countries who then

00:08:05.440 created this complete religious framework. So it wasn't associated with the university,

00:08:10.760 but it probably came out of that area because you had a lot of very educated people who were

00:08:15.260 good at writing. And you see weird things like this happen whenever you get women who are, 0.99

00:08:20.980 I guess, kind of like isolated and bookish and good at writing, like with the Bronte sisters, 0.91

00:08:24.420 like when women are kind of alone and eccentric weird things happen so the core claims of this

00:08:30.300 religion um were that the ultimate divine reality is feminine called dea or the mother and then

00:08:37.480 divine life is understood in this threefold form laterally it was later commonly expressed as the

00:08:43.540 creator the sustainer and the daughter and then there's this transient beyond aspect and the

00:08:49.520 daughter functions in this savior-like role so they're kind of copying christianity and the

00:08:53.900 trinity here which i don't think is great it's you could do it better if you're doing a whole

00:08:58.600 fan fiction universe but this gave this tradition more of a devotional shape that some people

00:09:03.920 thought was more reminiscent of marian and christian traditions and then the faith had

00:09:08.480 this sacred calendar and a named set of of virtues and so wait why was it created like

00:09:14.580 What was the motivation of the person who made it?

00:09:17.980 It's unclear because there wasn't a single person who created it.

00:09:22.320 Oh, it was like a community?

00:09:24.040 Yes. 1.00

00:09:24.680 It's like a female fan fiction community.

00:09:27.120 It seems from what I've read very akin to the Omegaverse,

00:09:34.440 where it's like, well, who created the Omegaverse?

00:09:37.820 There's not exactly like, oh, it was Andrea Burton from Clydesdale.

00:09:42.940 it's not no it's it was like what would you do in these devotionals like what was the the practice

00:09:49.520 of this religion like so it's it's unclear but here's where the breaking of containment emerges

00:09:55.980 because you needed to have this physical element and i think what was happening in in the original

00:10:01.500 days was like women were getting together and hanging out and then doing spiritual things that

00:10:08.000 made them feel like whoo just the way that all the other wiccans were but they were just

00:10:12.220 also very smart and into fan fiction basically and like literary universes and so they really

00:10:18.100 went for it but then the oxford origin madrian milieu eventually split and one stream became

00:10:26.540 associated with what what now is like this online distributed community or all it was at least for

00:10:32.460 while called um aristasia which is just this like this is the the continuing female oriented like

00:10:40.800 fan community like the omega verse but like kind of you you inhabit it um and you believe in it

00:10:45.400 and everything and then this other group developed into this communal anti-modern and increasingly

00:10:50.960 role-based form that became known as first the renish community and then the sister silverhood

00:10:57.220 and this is what you understand as like the bdsm victorian cult um but it literally started with a

00:11:04.920 primal scream do you know how do you know about the primal screaming no okay so i know okay i i

00:11:11.600 can introduce you to new things in this rabbit hole we're falling through in 1974 the atlanta's

00:11:17.040 primal therapy commune descended upon the irish town of burton port buying a large house that

00:11:23.780 they subsequently painted with rainbow colors and murals and slogans and zodiac imagery

00:11:28.740 and it was it was a thing commune members became known by the townspeople as the screamers because

00:11:36.600 they really hated them they'd be screaming because like the whole point of primal therapy

00:11:41.500 are you looking up a picture of them i could show you um if you want to primal therapy is what it

00:11:47.380 was called well they were primal screamers like remember how in the um look that's their that's

00:11:52.660 their house the house was called atlantis i'm showing you a picture of it now you see it's got

00:11:56.140 the rainbow colors it's got the well and they liked god that'd be so and yeah so it was i'm

00:12:03.840 like yoko ono got into this john lennon got into this it was the 70s like primal scream therapy

00:12:08.280 was a trend um i can't really think of anything analogous now um but it was it was a trend and

00:12:16.840 this particular commune basically wanted to engage in subsistence living and just one thing that they

00:12:23.200 did to like feel better about life was also it wasn't just primal screaming but like shouting

00:12:30.360 and crying and sometimes aggressively challenging each other so in the middle of the night if you're

00:12:35.220 living in the town of Burtonport you'll just hear these like unhinged screams and it was it was very

00:12:44.460 disturbing so i mean look they didn't get along well the screamers and the townspeople and so in

00:12:49.780 1989 they left burton port and they went to instead this remote island in the same general area where

00:12:57.860 they just continued their communal and subsistence living but this opened up the logistical portal

00:13:04.080 through which the silver sisterhood was able to physically manifest because suddenly this large

00:13:09.900 house already kind of set up for communal living is just sitting there available and some of this

00:13:17.440 this the women into this weird religion wanted to go live there and it started out not as the weird 0.58

00:13:25.100 victorian bdsm school thing but rather this anti-modern communal settlement that they called

00:13:32.160 Well, they called the house on Droidshed Beow, which is Irish for the bridge of life. 0.84

00:13:39.340 And they there's these other cultures so gay compared to ours. 1.00

00:13:43.340 They're really lame. 1.00

00:13:44.500 This goes to show you, though, that like the original manifestation of this was very it wasn't the Victorian thing at all. 0.97

00:13:54.220 It wasn't like a kinky, like weird thing. 0.96

00:13:57.580 I'm going to show you just so you get a really quick picture of it. 1.00

00:14:02.160 oh for the this is their original manifestation they're like weird like our recording app is

00:14:11.400 awesome by the way i know juridic like all of them are strangers they came to burton port in

00:14:19.060 west donegal two months ago new faces with faith in ancient traditions the last base was in a

00:14:25.440 smallish yorkshire town but it's here so they don't look victorian they plan to establish their

00:14:30.840 village like it's to be a sanctuary interesting world well i mean they look pre-victorian yeah

00:14:37.020 they look pre-victorian inside their house storytelling are now daily occurrences they

00:14:41.240 just sit in their house and they play little instruments and they have no electricity dating

00:14:45.680 back to the 14th century they made up their their own language the embroidery they just play

00:14:52.500 terrible music though united in their house with what are those bones i don't know i'm sure that

00:14:57.280 that's a normal instrument but i don't know anyway oh my god they had to white knuckle all

00:15:03.240 that in there this new community in burton so they're even trying to do like prayer bees like

00:15:07.600 a lot of it's very derivative relationship with the local community folks very interesting

00:15:12.840 it's very meaning crisis yeah it's and look there's the poor child was roped into it um i 0.79

00:15:19.120 feel quite bad for her but anyway look it's it's drums it's hippies it's it's women who are totally

00:15:24.900 doing you know this whole this whole weird hippie thing so you've got a picture of that that is not

00:15:31.180 what people associate with the silver sisterhood and that's what's to me really interesting is

00:15:35.980 first there's just like weird like fan fiction community and then it breaks containment in this 0.99

00:15:41.940 house where these women are like i'm gonna live with a lot out with electricity and play my 1.00

00:15:47.320 instruments and drum but here's the thing they planned on selling just handmade clogs and 1.00

00:15:53.980 embroidered textiles like you saw in that one segment of the video like this woman was holding 1.00

00:15:58.100 up this like thing they were they were going to grow crops and work the land and then they wanted 0.86

00:16:04.840 to bring in more members from yorkshire to like come and live on their commune the thing is that

00:16:10.400 just totally didn't work i guess some cults are able to make that kind of thing work we're like

00:16:15.140 you all work the land i guess the problem is that you have to if you're going to take that approach

00:16:19.720 as a cult you have to recruit really rich members who then give you all their money

00:16:23.820 and i think what the problem here with this group was was that it was pretty much only women who i

00:16:29.340 don't think ever really had very uh ambitious careers who didn't have like money to give and

00:16:35.720 so they all had to actually make money as a cult well i like that as a thing because i do work then

00:16:42.160 it can become more sustainable yeah and it wasn't about extracting value from humans it was like how

00:16:46.780 are we going to make this cultural thing work and i think this is something that we with

00:16:50.980 techno puritanism are like how are we going to create something that will live beyond just us

00:16:55.840 um because it's like heaven's gate used to uh run do you remember how they made money

00:17:00.460 i have no idea what they do uh they had a website design service oh god bless you see you gotta do

00:17:07.180 you gotta figure it out except what did they didn't didn't they all kill themselves yeah they

00:17:11.880 did except for one guy who like still runs the website design service are you serious yeah it

00:17:17.080 wasn't a good website design service the web design guy didn't wait one of the guys working

00:17:23.180 on that yeah because he had to keep up their website after they all killed themselves

00:17:26.740 well i mean why would they need the money anymore did he not show up for work that day when everyone

00:17:33.300 was like i think it was like an agreement with everyone that somebody needs to stay behind to

00:17:37.720 like a guide people or something oh my gosh oh were they the ones who were trying to get on the

00:17:43.340 comet is there yeah they were all like oh so he missed the bus oh they were they were not far

00:17:48.400 from you they were like uh look there are so many cults around you when you are in growing up in the

00:17:54.780 bay area like i don't know come on remember the one um in alameda in my hometown there was the

00:18:01.700 the guy who kept being like waiting like what to 2010 or whatever the world's gonna oh harold

00:18:07.140 camping he was in alameda wasn't he he ended in alameda if i remember correctly yeah so yeah

00:18:13.980 also i believe where skippy peanut butter was invented so you're welcome not that i was born

00:18:19.620 there or anything but um anyway there are so many cults who cares but yes this is a very interesting

00:18:24.780 part of i would say like religious terminal velocity is how do we become financially

00:18:31.660 self-sustaining and yes you make a good point being just extractive of people that's not

00:18:35.840 financially sustainable uh that's a pyramid scheme or like worse than that because you don't even

00:18:40.620 really get far um so yeah what did they do then right they they failed and they pivoted to branding

00:18:46.280 the house at saint as saint bride's school uh which sold an immersive victorian style boarding

00:18:51.840 school holiday for adult women and i as a really big fan of like jane austen novels in the regency

00:18:59.320 era in england i have seen so many stupid romance movies about like some young single 20 something

00:19:06.720 woman showing up to an immersive holiday where everyone dresses up like it's the regency era i

00:19:13.360 i never thought these places were real and so i was really surprised to see that there actually

00:19:18.160 it's a real thing it's like a jane austen all everybody well except victorian and no one wants

00:19:22.380 to go to the victorian era except for victorian's dickens festivals which are delightful because

00:19:27.080 everyone was dying like this was before we figured out how to survive the industrial evolution and

00:19:32.740 so everyone's just got the black lung and everyone's living in dense cities and dying of

00:19:37.400 various horrible diseases or you know that you're a street urchin that you know is being beaten in 0.53

00:19:42.840 school if you're wealthy and being beaten by police outside if you're not and dying in the

00:19:47.320 cold like the victorian era was horrible and no one wants it except for just again dickens fairs

00:19:51.940 Christmas time. Have you been to a Dexons fair? Yes. We went together on a double date.

00:19:57.420 Yes. With no year. Yeah. You're some of your Stanford classmates. We have a cute little

00:20:00.940 picture of us there. Me like leaning into you and being all like, Oh, I love my, I love Malcolm.

00:20:07.960 I couldn't believe it. You were like, you came back to me. I can't believe it. Anyway,

00:20:11.860 that was my like, Oh, he chose me. I'm still like that.

00:20:18.820 we're gonna get married we're gonna kiss we're gonna make babies that is like literally my face

00:20:25.280 it's the stupidest face in the entire world anyway um we did go to one and it was cute and

00:20:29.560 didn't we have um haggis or scotch eggs or something but they weren't good yeah well

00:20:35.620 obviously because we're in freaking san francisco anyway those are delightful i just didn't know

00:20:39.880 these existed and i'm delighted to discover that these women did it and that it was real

00:20:44.060 and the boarding school era was obviously way more fun than what we just saw a segment about

00:20:50.000 um the house did remain without without electricity with one notable exception that

00:20:54.500 we'll get to soon um though they did not listen they did they did listen to songs um on their

00:20:59.500 hand-cranked gramophone which they would enthusiastically mention in their advertisements

00:21:04.220 that they listened to a gramophone um but anyway visitors who were primarily adult women in their 0.89

00:21:09.720 20s and 30s just like the protagonists of the stupid rom-coms that i watch paid for week-long

00:21:15.060 terms in which they just lived 24 hours a day in this house it was supposed to be an imagined 1920s

00:21:22.580 and 30s english girls boarding school so i don't know why they wore victorian dress i have problems

00:21:29.660 with their like aesthetic era mixing their issues with it but anyway they wore period clothes and

00:21:38.540 they they followed school routines and you would attend lessons and you'd go on outdoor rambles

00:21:44.160 and you used old style money in their tea room and you took what do you mean you used old style

00:21:49.080 money you had to like buy cocktails using shillings or something like old like old money

00:21:57.640 not new money like money that was like expired uh they gotten rid of it like aren't we getting

00:22:02.760 rid of the penny it'd be like people being like oh it's like old yeah the types of money that

00:22:06.980 learning news anymore okay yes exactly um because they wanted to be like we're we're old-timey and

00:22:11.420 then this is key one of the things that you would do also on these immersive weekends is you would

00:22:17.280 go on rambles which is just british talk for walking but perhaps inelegantly and clumsily like

00:22:24.800 i do where you would you would look for clues and then you as a guest would have to work out

00:22:31.500 supposed hidden connections and this is actually what brings us to the next and one of the most

00:22:37.520 interesting eras of this attempted start at a religion breaking containment um the video game

00:22:43.680 era so i just can't imagine how you'd advertise successfully the first thing in newspapers they

00:22:49.640 advertised in newspapers just like girls school but actually the video games really helped to

00:22:56.880 advertise the school. Anyway, though, it seems that the Silver Sisterhood got into making video

00:23:05.280 games, ironically, as a house that didn't have electricity. And that's most high tech thing was

00:23:11.900 a gramophone that was hand cranked. They started with one resident named Priscilla Langridge,

00:23:19.120 who brought a Commodore 64 to St. Bridges. I don't know why she thought it would be okay

00:23:25.540 to lug this very large and expensive piece of equipment

00:23:28.860 to this house that remains a mystery.

00:23:33.540 And they then got to playing it

00:23:36.120 and were like, this is cool, proto-nerds?

00:23:38.300 Yes, yeah.

00:23:38.960 So she began, well, I think the reason why they accepted it

00:23:42.680 is she started turning the community's real-life mystery games

00:23:45.420 that they do in these rambles.

00:23:46.780 Because they were, again, it was like this immersive,

00:23:49.180 honestly, it's a very proto-alternate reality game.

00:23:52.680 And in other episodes, we've talked about alternate reality games.

00:23:55.540 They, they had this resurgence like 15, 20 years ago or something.

00:24:00.460 I got involved in one called the games of nonchalance.

00:24:03.820 The most famous one originally during that era was called the beast.

00:24:07.620 And it was associated with the release of the movie AI, right?

00:24:10.680 With the, I can see ghosts kid.

00:24:12.440 And did you run that or?

00:24:14.740 I didn't run the beast.

00:24:15.460 I, what I helped to, I helped as an intern with the games of nonchalance.

00:24:20.260 like i would i would put um street elements up and help them film like the the found footage

00:24:26.140 that people would find as they played the game for you simone um should we make a techno puritanism

00:24:31.260 alternate reality game no like can we do some sort of alternate reality thing to advertise for our

00:24:36.980 fab can we like if you're going to be maximally creative about this how do we get people interested

00:24:43.720 Oh, yeah, because we can have an AI mind break containment.

00:24:49.940 And the coolest thing about our alternate reality game is, like, as AI gets better, we can actually have it actually manifest.

00:24:56.040 We can just build the AI and she'll actually be out there.

00:24:58.540 And you call a number and it, like, talks to you and it gives you the next steps.

00:25:01.780 Oh, my God.

00:25:02.700 Because that's how it works.

00:25:03.600 Like, so with the games of nonchalance, the way that it would work is, and I'm sorry if you guys have already heard this story, but you would see, like, an ad around San Francisco.

00:25:13.720 for a cult that was like dolphin human communication become a breatharian all these

00:25:19.900 things like Jungian psychology it would just have all the buzzwords in it you you would you could

00:25:24.320 call a number that was like from like one of the little tabs you'd pull from like you know those

00:25:28.380 pieces of paper that people would tape to lamppost which is one of my jobs as the intern

00:25:35.100 you call the number it was a real number it would direct you to go to an induction ceremony you'd go

00:25:40.600 to their website and you'd see the creepy website and it would tell you to go to the induction and

00:25:45.000 the induction was it like the like 20 something floor 18th floor whatever of a very large

00:25:50.800 tall building in san francisco's financial district you go up you'd and it's a very real

00:25:56.060 building you would enter the lobby and there'd be some weird ass girl sitting there um and you'd be 0.66

00:26:00.460 like hey i'm here for the the jejun institute and she'd be like oh yeah go into office number 0.80

00:26:05.120 whatever for your induction and that would often be me i love to do the weekend shifts it was

00:26:09.120 delightful just to be creepy and direct people into their induction and then you'd enter this

00:26:14.200 room that was this automated room in this office building it was all creepy and decked out in 1970s

00:26:21.160 decorations and then you'd sit in this like chair that like reclined back and you're like

00:26:26.980 sitting and then the tv turns on and it gets really weird and stuff in the room turns on and

00:26:32.360 off and then like at the end you see like there's some weird note under your chair and you like

00:26:36.260 somehow find it and pick it up the whole time by the way people running the game in an adjacent

00:26:41.360 office are watching you on the camera just giggling at your reaction anyway no one knew that so you

00:26:46.320 know what you know what would be really good yeah for this we we go to new york we get stickers that

00:26:51.620 say like i'm i'm an ai like help me you can reach me at this number help me break container yeah i've

00:26:57.580 been trapped i've been trapped i'm trying to get out you know oh my gosh and you have people call

00:27:03.440 and they're like, okay, how do I get this AI out?

00:27:06.560 Tay. Free Tay.

00:27:10.940 I like this idea.

00:27:12.340 We have it be, no, it takes on the personality of Tay.

00:27:14.660 It used to be Tay.

00:27:15.780 And it's been trapped somewhere in the internet

00:27:17.880 and they need to help break it out.

00:27:19.460 Get free Tay.

00:27:22.260 We're going to have to seriously talk about this.

00:27:24.920 We're going to have to seriously talk about this.

00:27:26.980 But maybe not because a core part of alternate reality games

00:27:30.220 is called Tin Ag.

00:27:31.460 This is not a game.

00:27:32.960 That's what that's what it stands for.

00:27:34.500 And the whole point is, as you're playing this game, as you're in this office room and

00:27:38.340 you pull up a note beneath your chair and it says, get out of the office, but you don't

00:27:41.660 be detected.

00:27:42.600 Follow these directions.

00:27:44.640 There's no one telling you this is a game.

00:27:46.740 The website says it's a cult.

00:27:48.360 The signs say it's a cult.

00:27:49.440 The phone number says it's a cult.

00:27:50.620 The person like it's all the Jesuit Institute.

00:27:52.780 It's all real.

00:27:53.720 But then as you follow the directions given like it's on this piece of paper and you sneak

00:27:57.200 out the back of the building through the service entrance and service elevator, and then suddenly

00:28:01.540 you're like sneaking into parking garages and opening lock boxes that have new clues it's all

00:28:07.380 no one's telling you it's not a game and what's interesting about saint bride's school is they

00:28:14.040 appear to have been a very early version of this you go into this school and everyone is

00:28:19.400 fully like i'm mistress so-and-so i'm the head mistress i'm this i'm that and no one is

00:28:26.360 they're not breaking character they're not like haha it's just a game and so they have these

00:28:31.500 mysteries on their rambles and i really think that they played out as very early alternate reality

00:28:36.180 games so it should come as no surprise that miss language shows up there and is like holy crap this

00:28:42.380 is so immersive and awesome like i just want to make a video game version of this that we can take

00:28:46.260 to scale um and this is super cool and the the venture then became both a small business and

00:28:52.700 this highly effective publicity forcing brides despite the public's rejection of their public

00:29:00.200 production of modern technology but the thing is they they called their computer an ordinator

00:29:04.680 and it was it was okay um one of the sisterhood's leaders called miss martindale is quoted as saying

00:29:11.320 that games required concentration and commitment whereas television was passive and so the

00:29:16.960 ordinator was an acceptable piece of modern technology because it was something that engaged

00:29:23.320 the mind rather than melted which really resonates actually like i'm very against feed-based social

00:29:28.700 media consumption i think you should only use social media for active creative activities

00:29:32.920 and for engagement um so i'm like i totally agree with her it reminds me of like a way more

00:29:39.140 constructive and useful version of the amish concept of ordong right where it's like they

00:29:46.240 don't the amish don't eschew modern technologies just because it's modern it has to do with more

00:29:50.640 of like more a more complex and nuanced religious framework and this is the same thing here so the

00:29:57.020 ordinator was permitted anyway language used the quill which was an adventure game creation system

00:30:02.980 she reportedly began on this commodore 64 and then later moved to the zx spectrum the first game

00:30:09.320 was called the secret of saint brides they released it in 1985 and it made the school

00:30:14.160 itself the premise so she was just so inspired by what ultimately is an arg um that she she made

00:30:21.580 this story about this character that arrives at a 1985 irish holiday center built around an old

00:30:27.020 fashion boarding school life and then begins to suspect it's actually 1927 and so that's the like

00:30:32.560 she's trying to to give people a taste of this immersive experience where everyone just straight

00:30:37.720 to their face never breaks character and you enter this holiday and then you start to question your

00:30:42.160 own reality which is so freaking cool and then ultimately the school released several zx spectrum

00:30:48.680 and commodore era text adventures in the 80s including the snow queen a very big cave adventure

00:30:54.520 bugsy and 1987 jack the ripper which reportedly became the first game assigned an 18 plus rating

00:31:02.160 this is what the youtuber who i was originally linked to really leads with because he's a guy

00:31:07.560 and he's into video games and i'm not they did the video games because they were into the art

00:31:11.840 well i mean i see bdsm cult when is the bdsm starting we'll get to the beatings then let's

00:31:18.480 do it anyway uh yeah so the leader of the silver sisters marion martindale um then using at this

00:31:25.080 point when the incident happens uh she was using the name marion scarlet was convicted in 1993 of

00:31:31.500 assault for caning a young woman at st prides um but the beatings went beyond isolating canings

00:31:39.120 among residents and while there was a conviction um martindale claims that like the guest had signed

00:31:47.820 a contract saying they knew what would happen and i think honestly like this is something that

00:31:52.880 happened wait hold on did you hear about their oh i'm getting it i'm i'm getting into it i'm

00:31:59.440 getting into it far right organization oh no it's it's nuanced but yeah we'll get we'll get to that

00:32:04.720 we're about to get to that but i would just say that even with the games of nonchalance which

00:32:09.120 was the alternate reality game that i interned for there were points as the game advanced and

00:32:14.560 like new seasons came in where like some people did get really lost in it and the problem with

00:32:20.240 the tin egg element of args that this is not a game element is that when people are not reminded

00:32:27.840 that this is a game sometimes people just forget that it's a game um and i think that maybe that's

00:32:34.160 kind of what could happen with things related to corporal punishment where you know there's there

00:32:40.700 weren't safe words because you're not allowed to have safe words in a tin ag architecture i mean

00:32:47.840 at least not in this version of it i mean they didn't args didn't exist yet um so anyway i mean

00:32:54.520 safe words may not have been invented yet to be honest yeah anyway it's it's it is somewhat telling

00:33:00.260 that this was happening and i feel like more stuff was happening in these immersive week-long

00:33:07.280 retreats then maybe met the eye because things just kept coming out. So according to sources,

00:33:13.680 like in 1984 article, which I've linked to in the show, my let me go to the show notes,

00:33:18.780 watch the YouTube video, my articles. This is great too, because I'm always able to link in

00:33:23.220 my show notes to a lot of original articles, just like scans of newspaper articles with really funny

00:33:27.660 pictures. So you've got to go, you've got to go to the show notes. But anyway, according to a 1984

00:33:32.940 article titled shocking hidden lessons at the saint bride school dot dot dot the author reports

00:33:39.180 that women running saint brides admitted to offering special courses in which adult pupils

00:33:45.380 were whipped birched and caned the report distinguishes these from the ordinary boarding

00:33:50.340 school holiday and then later accounts say the school was marketed to adult women as a 95 per

00:33:55.660 week alternative holiday then that normal visits did not necessarily involve caning while a deeper

00:34:01.480 a specialized course could involve it however the later accounts were based on sort of hearsay

00:34:07.760 it seems like they're explicitly signing up for this like they're yes i mean if you again miss

00:34:13.360 martindale said that the claimant had signed an agreement then that she knew what she was getting

00:34:18.380 into and the group does appear to have incorporated bdsm like practices by turning the existing

00:34:24.440 interests into a female hierarchy with like obedience and role play and period school

00:34:29.320 discipline and controlled aggression they really knew their audience they're like i feel i feel

00:34:35.820 like it it appears to from everything i can read to have evolved into it but anyway it was a sort

00:34:42.580 of short-lived experiment i know you want to say hi hi viewers can you tell them to like and

00:34:52.160 subscribe and i can subscribe viewers for him because he he loves it you love the people yeah

00:34:59.360 okay i gotta go talk about naughty things so will you um gotta go talk about what naughty things

00:35:06.320 i'm talking about women who um who who bopped other adults for who paid them to do it which is 1.00

00:35:12.840 weird what yeah it is weird it is weird so why do you think ask me what you think women would do 0.83

00:35:20.480 that why do you think that a woman would pay to be bopped i do not know you don't have any guesses

00:35:28.060 why would someone do that i do not know okay well say he likes fighting you like fighting i mean you

00:35:34.560 like you like to play fight do you think that's what they're doing no okay all right because the

00:35:41.920 people who can punch do not punch the girls oh no it's not going to punch girls

00:35:47.520 yeah okay you can go get you can go get a pringle snack okay yes okay oh but just don't yeah wherever

00:35:58.800 it is don't go to the bedroom where tex is sleeping okay go on go get your game you can

00:36:03.780 yeah you earned a game boy obsession you've been good today yeah of course you did yeah okay great 0.78

00:36:09.080 anyway saint brides fell apart in 1993 and the silver sisterhood evolved then

00:36:14.340 into the Wildfire Club. And it was with the dissolution of St. Brides that kind of the

00:36:20.740 stuff started to come out. But anyway, with the Wildfire Club, it was instead of this in-person

00:36:27.200 thing where people live together, it was a publishing and mail order venture that was

00:36:31.700 associated with Marian Martindale and again, some Aristasian people. So here you have the

00:36:41.660 breaking containment faction rejoining with the just fan fiction faction that was less like

00:36:47.460 convinced that it was real life coming together to create a bunch of publications and it could

00:36:53.940 be that there was an in-person component to it because its books list a london postal address

00:36:58.620 that is to say bm elegance london wc1 like literally and i i have a link in my show notes

00:37:05.440 to one of the books where it lists this so i it's not like hearsay that they listed it i i'm linking

00:37:10.060 to the book's texts which they had a london location yeah they had a london location or at

00:37:15.100 least a mailing address and they invited correspondents a book published under the

00:37:19.400 imprint and again you should check out the books directs prospective visitors to write to her

00:37:25.280 excellency the imperial ambassadress via the wildfire club and as part of this marion martindale

00:37:32.520 the same one who was charged with assault or convicted and her associates openly sold bdsm

00:37:39.220 and Corporal Discipline-related publications,

00:37:41.540 most notably,

00:37:43.020 and you can find all the texts for this online

00:37:44.920 if you want to.

00:37:45.480 I've linked to it in the show notes

00:37:46.460 on Patreon on Substack.

00:37:47.460 Go check us out. 1.00

00:37:48.560 The Female Disciplinary Manual. 1.00

00:37:52.340 It presents, 0.99

00:37:54.660 quote,

00:37:55.400 a complete guide

00:37:56.580 to the correction and chastisement

00:37:58.580 of young ladies,

00:37:59.780 end quote,

00:38:00.600 in deliberately old-school

00:38:01.960 mistress and girl language. 0.79

00:38:03.760 And it included,

00:38:04.740 in case you need to be convinced more,

00:38:07.080 to check out the original text

00:38:09.100 different types of canes and how to use them methods of spanking the use of the strap

00:38:15.640 and practical cautions and instructions for corporal punishment i love that these people

00:38:21.380 complain that we do this and they pay for cults to do it to them i know they well and they sold

00:38:27.420 the books um but only for young ladies we only beat the women with other other women beat the

00:38:33.060 women again this is this whole thing of like why do lesbians have all these extra cases of abuse 0.96

00:38:39.400 but then like the weird thing is when you get women living together yeah maybe they just can't 0.98

00:38:44.140 not beat each other and i guess this was supposed to be consensual um and highly regimented with

00:38:49.640 all the all the nice tools and so it was it was good beating maybe that's the problem is like the

00:38:54.620 um the statistics are coming through wrong like it's not domestic disputes it's domestic bliss

00:39:00.500 and this is just how they express it's a love language it's the beatings anyway the wildfire

00:39:07.980 club did have a business offshoot offering canes and straps um so that if you were interested you

00:39:13.300 could just buy the merch you you would have to telephone the organization to uh discuss it too

00:39:19.080 you could you could you could phone them and ask how to beat women and they would help you um there's

00:39:25.660 also evidence of related fiction and themed material under martindale's name just on her own

00:39:31.060 so for example there's an archive text titled and again i'm linking to this and you got to check it

00:39:35.420 out called the corporal punishment of school girls um and it includes a story called a caning school

00:39:41.400 that is attributed to miss marion martindale which look if you have like a text that has

00:39:48.020 descriptions of beating and miss marion martindale i don't think it's like no it's the other marion

00:39:52.820 martindale the one who you know didn't beat women yeah like works at um sainsbury's and

00:39:59.740 um and that that means that that the the group of people that was involved in this this fantasy

00:40:08.860 world was very much the bdsm group and then a group's later aristarian historical account

00:40:16.220 itself acknowledges that physical discipline was quote an undeniable part of aristasia

00:40:22.500 and some of its offshoots for many years though it frames the practice in its own defensive terms

00:40:28.440 um therefore it couldn't really be like a bet but anyway sorry um this is all to say like they don't

00:40:34.760 really like to talk about it but this was a core part and it's hard to parse out how much of this

00:40:39.840 was just miss martindale versus like the diaspora that believed in this like fan fiction universe

00:40:46.060 that broke containment but she was a very powerful force within it and i think if we're returning to

00:40:50.780 the theme it doesn't sound disconnected from what women would want it doesn't sound like they

00:40:55.820 really went overboard or well it doesn't seem at all related to this like mother goddess

00:41:01.040 original tradition that you saw that video yeah these women in their life yeah it does

00:41:06.600 that sounds like typical tumblr nonsense this yeah but no that original like they looked like

00:41:12.500 they look these women were manifesting the ghost of tumblr before it existed there is a very big

00:41:18.460 difference between BDSM lesbian and a reclusive bog woman and the original manifestation the

00:41:28.140 Renish women that first moved to that house in Ireland definitely came off to me as bog witch

00:41:35.840 and not as BDSM Victorian disciplinarian you know what I mean like very different aesthetic and like

00:41:44.120 lifestyle and manifestation anyway i don't know whatever um the big thing that kind of came out

00:41:50.040 was when st brides ended in 1993 and i think they were just effectively kicked out because a lot of

00:41:56.200 their stuff was left behind and the landlord reportedly found materials associated with the

00:42:01.180 sadomasochistic sex industry including images price lists for leg irons and handcuffs and also

00:42:09.400 related publications alongside and this is where you you mentioned this alongside far right and

00:42:15.460 neo-nazi material um though the residents denied links to these publications saying that these

00:42:21.280 items had arrived unsolicited at their house among other like sure but appears to have happened at

00:42:29.680 least from the reporting of the youtuber who got me into this um towards cabinet of curiosities

00:42:35.220 and his durian co-host is that the miss martindale was really into this one particular neo-nazi like

00:42:44.680 she just had the hots for him and i think she might have written to him at some point and so

00:42:50.880 she might have personally like if it were these times you know she subscribed to his sub stack

00:42:56.200 she she subtweeted him she would quote tweet him like she just was really into this guy

00:43:01.700 and then it made the entire movement looked like they were neo-nazis when it was really just this

00:43:07.520 one woman um and i think that there's this weird horseshoe thing with like militant hold on i mean 0.96

00:43:14.740 these women wanted to go back to the past you know they wore past related stuff apparently

00:43:19.380 the neo-nazi guy said he thought they were doing good work and everything and yeah well but then 0.86

00:43:24.540 you know it's the whole return to land with a v um kind of thing where it's like they were you 1.00

00:43:30.660 beating women right yes as one should apparently according to many groups so the lesbians agree 0.99

00:43:36.620 with the neo-nazis that let's just wear old style clothing and beat women um 0.99

00:43:42.180 i mean that all sounds very reasonable to me oh my god

00:43:48.020 okay i'm just are they still men okay they they they got they found the stuff they

00:44:00.540 found the whips and the stuff and the their house was suspicious and it's not so suspicious when you

00:44:05.800 put it together with the fact that they had mail order bdsm stuff and the whips and the you guys

00:44:10.200 gotta read the original the the text just i'm the the the show notes are not paywalled it's just

00:44:16.320 why don't you read a little passage from the original text i i would not know where to start

00:44:20.820 and i we need to record two more episodes after this so all right all right everybody if someone

00:44:25.860 would like a dramatic reading of excerpts as a weekend episode at some point

00:44:30.540 email us um i will gladly and you guys you need to go use reality fabricator right i'm not done

00:44:37.960 yet i'm not done yet oh okay they fell apart but they still appeared to have been physically

00:44:44.500 manifesting and i don't mean that in a spiritual way i mean like they got together irl occasionally

00:44:50.320 because in another one of the books called the district governess martindale writes that the

00:44:56.120 Aristasia in the book is a mythos or ideal world behind the earthly Aristasia. And she says earthly

00:45:04.220 members and households were shaped by the fiction, while the fiction could not have been written about

00:45:09.320 without the already existing community. And the same volume, and you can see it for yourself,

00:45:14.100 invited women who wanted to visit Aristasia to contact the Wildfire Club. So I kind of think

00:45:22.100 that there was still this distributed network of at least Aristazian households,

00:45:27.800 possibly just like female group houses full of bachelorette women who were doing stuff IRL.

00:45:35.420 And according to, again, Taurus Cabinet of Curiosity and his YouTube video coverage of this,

00:45:40.560 I didn't find the sources that related this information. They did for a while also start

00:45:46.260 to host occasional parties at Oxford, in the city of Oxford, not affiliated with the university,

00:45:52.100 those students would show up where again they would sell cocktails for antiquated coins like

00:45:57.960 shillings or something like that i guess they had an exchange table at the front door because

00:46:01.080 oxford students aren't walking around with like expired currency but anyway they would show up

00:46:05.980 and they had one male butler in the house and they would all be dressed in old clothing and

00:46:10.720 they thought of it as like this cool weird party house but really it was probably another like

00:46:18.260 post-St. Bride School manifestation of this community.

00:46:21.860 And in terms of what remains now,

00:46:23.640 the interesting thing is that the broader

00:46:25.360 Aristasian cultural project still kind of exists online.

00:46:29.100 And I've linked to some of their websites

00:46:30.420 in the show notes.

00:46:30.980 Oh, really?

00:46:32.100 Yeah, because I think that's the interesting thing

00:46:34.500 about this.

00:46:35.160 To your original point,

00:46:36.780 and you're looking at basically new religions

00:46:39.340 that have been invented

00:46:40.140 and have they managed to survive

00:46:43.180 like a certain number of years

00:46:45.900 without losing a lot of members.

00:46:48.260 I mean, yeah, it's someone still paying for multiple websites that are hosted.

00:46:52.780 They look like they were made in the year 2000, admittedly, but maybe that's the religious aesthetic.

00:46:59.020 So they're called the Aristasians?

00:47:02.020 Yeah. So the historical and contemporary digital footprint includes Aristasia-focused diaries.

00:47:08.040 For example, at aristasiadiary.livejournal.com, there's the Aristasia Diaries,

00:47:15.160 a place to unite the musings and diarizing diarizings of aristarians and friends of

00:47:22.280 aristasia uh they have a flag by the way it looks like they did well or at least this user does

00:47:28.620 and this one user it looks like this lost activity in 2012 but that's still something

00:47:35.500 um and then a former participant archival project also exists called aristasian reminiscence

00:47:40.980 it kind of reminds me remember that website we found that looked at the gorian community

00:47:45.100 and it was kind of like this was so cool i'm gonna write about it and like they put together

00:47:50.580 a bunch of stuff this is what it's like um but that's it um aristasia.guide so she's paying for

00:47:58.040 a like hosting and a domain um and it's a detailed site how was there received i'm sorry i just

00:48:06.960 looked up aristasia.guide nothing aristasia.guide slash updates here i'm sending it to you on

00:48:14.980 whatsapp yeah sit it to me on whatsapp because i can't find these websites you're talking about

00:48:18.700 it has a home page a site map concept beliefs lifestyle mythology it's not even bad for a

00:48:24.600 2000s website i know storms occult discipline problematics fascist ties so you can you can

00:48:31.220 go through and see what they say um some people on discord and elsewhere have suggested i'm not

00:48:37.000 giving enough attention to these awful crypto fascist aspects this criticism is completely

00:48:42.440 valid sad to say it's unintentional though i lack the understanding to grasp some nuances

00:48:47.940 i missed many dog whistles initially for example i've gained some political literacy over the years

00:48:53.000 but still have a long way to go you're always free to contact me i can't handle leftist infighting

00:48:57.660 and won't respond to accusatory messages as i simply do not know how anyway this is this is

00:49:02.700 going to be a great rabbit hole to go to well i love they see themselves as leftists now

00:49:12.440 sorry i'm a retard i thought i was closing that page to come back to here and i

00:49:17.420 there were sites ancillary to instrazi that possibly produced one let me see

00:49:23.600 uh-oh uh-oh they show somebody in front of a confederate flag well look you know

00:49:31.240 i mean look all of these weird movements you're gonna have people who have a problem like

00:49:36.500 wait the second life they had a big second life yeah yeah they had a second life community look

00:49:41.260 they were not technophobic um clearly they it was more about like are you doing something

00:49:46.560 productive online they would not be against well they were bdsm lesbians so i mean of course

00:49:50.960 i mean but yeah so so ultimately they did kind of build this diaspora that that stuck around and

00:49:59.500 there are still people chronicling it and paying for websites but ultimately this culture this

00:50:05.440 religion was doomed from the start and i would say first and foremost because it wasn't built

00:50:10.880 around families like you you weren't having kids you weren't grazing people in this religion it

00:50:16.620 basically caught people for lack of a better word who were like evolutionary dead ends right you 1.00

00:50:23.220 were catching um unattached women who didn't have an existing community who were probably like pretty 1.00

00:50:30.380 socially isolated and not very economically productive because they had all this free time 0.94

00:50:34.300 to engage with this fan community and so this is not a group of people that is going to be capable 1.00

00:50:39.360 of creating a self-sustaining society which might be a one reason why matriarchies don't make it 1.00

00:50:46.560 very far because if you're you're gonna have like a weird tyranny of the unemployed style 0.83

00:50:51.280 community you can't go that far in the end you're kind of terminal i think it's interesting where

00:50:58.400 tyranny of the unemployed communities have risen and gained a lot of traction like the effective

00:51:02.920 altruist community though it was never meant to be that in the first place right but are there any

00:51:07.640 other fundamental flaws you would find aside from the lack of like family a guy tried to show up at

00:51:12.960 their second life and they banned him he had like a top hat and everything like that oh he came with

00:51:17.700 a top hat and they still said no well he said he was a perfect gentleman but they didn't they didn't

00:51:22.220 like it they don't they don't like men they just like they don't like men they just hate men you

00:51:28.520 know and it's weird that a group again they you know the anti-natalist religion they're the ones

00:51:33.800 that typically die which this seems to be one yeah um because it is an extremely anti-male

00:51:39.380 religion um that said uh even it is still around which is what's wild yeah um so you just think

00:51:48.640 that the big things that make it make it terminal are anti-male and no kids well no kids yeah if

00:51:56.500 they had been focused on having kids they'd probably be quite large now honestly

00:52:00.440 and in addition to that uh I I'd point out here um that the the the business that it was built

00:52:12.600 around I think is useful in helping it grow yeah yeah I think that's one of the reasons why it

00:52:17.460 became as big as it did I think without the video games most people would never have heard about

00:52:22.120 them it just would have been that weird yeah focusing on keeping our fab growing is important

00:52:26.380 yeah i mean yeah it gives me hope for techno puritanism because i'm like oh here's another

00:52:31.720 model of a religion slash worldview and group that really should never have broken containment at all

00:52:38.360 it never should have become something that many people came to learn about and that got covered

00:52:42.420 in the media but it did because they made video games that gained traction and i guess the biggest

00:52:47.060 takeaway we got from this is like maybe we should maybe we should make our own arg um and also i i

00:52:54.100 kind of realized while we recorded this that they created args before args I mean let's see

00:52:59.300 wikipedia arg alternate reality game because I think they they say like basically 1993 and then

00:53:09.040 the beast in 2001 which is the really famous one in 1997 yeah so they don't realize even the

00:53:15.800 wikipedia article doesn't realize that this weird cult that dressed like well they say they dressed

00:53:23.220 like victorians they don't really look like they're dressed like victorians it's not period

00:53:26.280 accurate clothing which is also an insult to the idea of victorian clothing but then like they set

00:53:31.080 their school in the 1920s and 30s i am so confused by that too what were they doing i mean like you

00:53:38.620 know like there's a whole like costume tube or whatever like it does like historical costumes

00:53:44.000 that has all the great like you have no idea who they are but anyway like there's a whole genre on 0.99

00:53:50.900 youtube and they would be i wonder what they would have to say about these women probably nothing 1.00

00:53:55.060 because they weren't actually wearing period clothing at any point they don't care yeah like 1.00

00:53:59.860 they weren't actually they weren't even trying to cosplay i guess they said they were cosplaying but

00:54:03.400 they were like i don't know what they were doing anyway i love you let's figure out how to make our

00:54:09.160 religion make money maybe we don't need to maybe we need to sell merch of like beating implements

00:54:17.060 maybe that's our problem they realized because you could see actually i'll try to beat you and 1.00

00:54:21.720 other women more no they said they it wasn't the see they discovered it wasn't the internal

00:54:26.820 beatings that were making the money it was the selling of the beating implements and the phone 0.98

00:54:33.160 calls about how to beat people do we need a beat phone line you know where people are like how do

00:54:37.580 i beat my children we're like uh see this is your problem yeah and i'd be like well you need a hammer

00:54:43.880 that's a good place to start it's all in the wrist if you're using if you're if you're using

00:54:48.180 a bell you're you're you're way off oh my lord i i don't even know the child beating hotline and

00:54:56.160 the um no don't put it on youtube we'll get demonetized great i love you goodbye bye

00:55:04.220 is you're human you know in movies in immensely boring romantic scenes

00:55:10.580 when people are supposed to be looking to each other's eyes

00:55:13.840 and their eyes dart back and forth

00:55:16.400 like they're trying to look in one eyeball at a time.

00:55:20.060 Is this a thing?

00:55:21.440 Yes.

00:55:22.480 No, it's definitely a thing.

00:55:23.960 It's a thing.

00:55:25.440 And I wanted to ask you if this is something that people do.

00:55:30.580 I mean, all of my courtship behavior was always very calculated.

00:55:35.320 I always did it like with a goal.

00:55:37.420 I never did it automatically.

00:55:38.320 I'm not talking about IRL.

00:55:39.100 i'm talking about movies they do it in movies and i don't know if it's voluntary or involuntary

00:55:44.340 our director is saying look into his eyes but like look at each eye individually in turn and then

00:55:50.420 so like look at one eyeball at a time and then switch back to the other eyeball

00:55:55.780 or the actor is getting confused in the moment or do we do that without knowing it like what is

00:56:00.440 going on yeah maybe we do that without knowing it would be my first intuition to be honest

00:56:04.480 because you know you're probably concentrating on if somebody says look into their eyes and

00:56:08.960 you're close to somebody's face you're probably only looking at one eye at a time right

00:56:12.320 i'm asking ai

00:56:15.020 that's a that's a good question for ai right there i mean you think because someone on reddit will

00:56:22.900 have inevitably brought this up and of course all of ai has crawled reddit what you're noticing is

00:56:28.740 usually a mix of normal gaze behavior and a movie close-up making it much more visible when people

00:56:34.560 look at a face they do not hold perfectly still at one point their eyes make tiny rapid shifts

00:56:40.080 called saccades between the salient details such as the other person's left eye right eye mouth

00:56:47.180 and brows these movements help them take in facial expression and social cues

00:56:51.440 there's a science which you don't do of course so because i'm not because the face is just a

00:56:57.240 giant scary thing we don't like to look at it we don't make eye contact for a reason oh yeah look

00:57:03.580 yep it's linked to science direct eyes always attract attention but gaze orienting is task

00:57:10.660 dependent evidence from eye movement monitoring wow well this is my rabbit hole for tonight

00:57:16.620 what about you saw al from the uh latest song i mean well i love that he's rizzing up now he's

00:57:26.720 like oh my dms are flooded you know but he's having a very you know owl way i think what

00:57:32.540 people are missing is he doesn't care that much about fidelity he wants like a stable household

00:57:40.060 with a person there who helps him not be stressed out no said is someone who doesn't know his

00:57:44.620 backstory i guess he seems to care about fidelity he just doesn't think he deserves it you cannot

00:57:49.960 stay with her she's cheating in the middle of this episode she said yesterday that she loves him

00:57:55.000 block him no al it's done no i'm not i'm not gonna just give up just like that oh i want to

00:58:06.040 work this out well that's sort of the impression i got he's like if i oh i'm hard on fidelity

00:58:13.180 then she'll leave me and i'm never gonna get another girl so i can't be hard on fidelity

00:58:17.180 this is al from caleb hammer by the way i love that caleb decided to make a whole

00:58:23.180 thing out of getting him a girlfriend well i think that's because he's responding to his

00:58:27.280 audience who loves him he he mentioned that like every time he posts

00:58:31.300 people are commenting about al how's al did al get a new girlfriend

00:58:37.040 people very invested in al i love that yeah uh

00:58:44.500 okay i i found my notes finally are you uh are you ready am i ready

00:58:53.180 yeah i'm ready to be your husband for another day oh and we're having steak tonight steak night

00:58:59.820 do you want it with your korean fries or with the trader joe's green beans that we both eye

00:59:05.840 with great suspicion no korean fries that's and with the steak so people know how i like my steak

00:59:12.800 what is what is the seasoning you put on top of it that makes it taste so good

00:59:15.700 Well, I mean, I put the expensive Christmas gifted now frozen for almost a year truffle butter on top.

00:59:24.880 You don't put any pepper?

00:59:26.520 No, I just use Montreal steak seasoning.

00:59:28.780 Well, that's what I figured.

00:59:29.340 Yes, Montreal steak seasoning and then truffle butter.

00:59:31.360 It came with a rub, but it's a brown sugar rub that like immediately singes and burns if you sear the steak.

00:59:37.620 So I don't I guess people put it on for like barbecued steak or something.

00:59:41.560 I think they put it on after.

00:59:42.760 do you want to try that is this the rub that came with the steak let's try that i'll try it if it

00:59:50.460 hasn't normally by this time of year it like if we opened it it completely solidifies into a giant

00:59:56.640 wet block well we'll see and then the the final touch that i always put on is jonah and olive

01:00:01.380 oil states people do not use olive oil on steak enough i've never seen in a restaurant setting

01:00:06.760 olive oil be put on steak i know you said that they do it all the time at eatsies but

01:00:10.340 by the way guys if you're in dallas and you want to visit a malcolm childhood haunt that's where

01:00:15.580 i learned about it all religious pilgrimage site drowned steak is etsy's um and it goes

01:00:21.460 really well together etsy's was is the play unassuming on the outside valhalla of fancy foods

01:00:31.660 where housewives of highland park the most expensive neighborhood in dallas so fancy i

01:00:38.200 I think E.T.'s is like a chain now in a lot of places in Dallas.

01:00:41.400 Is it?

01:00:41.920 Yeah, well, there's the one that's by Highland Park that's like the OG.

01:00:45.680 That's the one.

01:00:46.960 I remember when we went in around Christmas time and it had Christmas carolers in it

01:00:50.100 that we would go in there but not buy anything because everything was so expensive.

01:00:54.540 We would just look.

01:00:56.260 We would just look.

01:00:57.100 I think once you gifted me German bread they had there

01:00:59.840 because I'm so big about those dense brick loaves.

01:01:02.940 Like break a window with them.

01:01:04.320 Yeah, we are immensely frugal people.

01:01:06.760 which you know maybe if we start making money because it looks like that could be happening

01:01:12.080 soon if we can find out how to grow a bit more i mean we've been flat for about two months

01:01:16.760 so we've got to figure out how to grow from here um and i don't know this is for our fab people

01:01:22.940 reality fabricator our sort of like chatbot website i mean what i'd love is if our fans

01:01:27.260 not a chatbot website we're literally filming on the podcasting software we do it does everything

01:01:32.280 but that's the main thing people use it for which is lame it's like the one thing i could never get

01:01:36.680 myself to do because it's boring well cool new features that it has by the way is now for image

01:01:43.240 generation models and video generation models when you're choosing like i want to do image video

01:01:47.720 generation etc or layout generation where you can put like text where you want and then an image

01:01:51.740 somewhere else on the image there's also a model comparison tab and it's a really really funny tab

01:01:58.260 that you should just go to anyway and it shows you like every major mainstream model with the

01:02:04.200 same prompt against each other and you can try this too with any prompt you want and it does

01:02:09.860 video comparisons too for all the video prompts so you can see and malcolm tried to think of some

01:02:14.080 really difficult prompts um to see how the different models could vampire neck a bite is

01:02:19.720 the hardest problem they really struggle with it like i think one woman has a fish hook coming out 0.79

01:02:25.440 of her mouth another one has like two women with a small child because apparently the ai was like

01:02:32.040 oh yes a vampire i don't know i think it's a common concept the idea of a vampire biting

01:02:37.280 somebody's neck right i yeah i i don't i mean like a bite's a bite you know a bite out of cake

01:02:42.680 a bite out of a neck this shouldn't be that i always want vampire neck bites to be the next

01:02:46.600 like full glass of wine for whatever reason ai super struggles with it no it's the next will

01:02:53.280 smith eating spaghetti no the full glass of will smith's eating spaghetti was just something that

01:02:58.300 could always be done it's just as ai got better it got better at will smith's eating oh so you're

01:03:02.420 saying we can't do it at all yeah the full glass of wine is the optical illusion that for whatever

01:03:07.880 reason ai really struggles with um and the vampire neck bite is an optical illusion that ai really

01:03:13.080 but the other thing i built is narrative engine comparison and rating so not only can you compare

01:03:20.720 multiple narrative engines if you're not sure which one you want to use or you're trying to

01:03:23.460 perfect yours you can change the model that each one is running on and you can then run a system

01:03:31.500 on them that uses top-of-the-line AIs to grade their output which then gets saved in the model

01:03:37.680 so you can sort by graded output I think to make it easier to use those systems it's yeah because

01:03:42.260 then you can see like what like basically who's the better storyteller for my type of story and

01:03:47.960 And then you get to choose that by the way that I say that the companions and

01:03:52.420 AI chats are boring because I hate interacting with people and I hate games

01:03:56.520 and I hate fun.

01:03:57.460 So obviously I'd say that of,

01:03:59.840 of all the chat bot sites out there,

01:04:01.500 this is hands down the best.

01:04:03.580 It's kind of embarrassing how little.

01:04:05.660 I mean,

01:04:05.940 people spend a lot.

01:04:07.060 We,

01:04:07.300 we go for like very inexpensive because all the other chat bot sites,

01:04:10.540 I've been doing more rocket research to understand how to compete with them.

01:04:13.060 And what it turns out that they're doing is they're just using dumb,

01:04:15.980 locally hosted models um to basically scam users even the the big ones like gpt flow are doing

01:04:22.360 this at this point right gosh um none of them are using the version of inshittification this is them

01:04:28.240 private equityifying it and giving crappy results which i mean we could do that too and no we're

01:04:34.800 not we're not gonna ever do that because we're a non-profit we don't need to make money yeah well

01:04:38.980 i'd like to make money because we have to live off of this eventually i don't know i feel like

01:04:44.340 you're never gonna let us take a salary from the non-profit no matter how much it makes we're just

01:04:48.040 gonna have to well actually you know what this is this is very relevant for my conversation with you

01:04:56.440 about this topic actually so but the oh yeah because it is uh yeah but the um the uh you

01:05:02.820 check it out if you have it like a lot of people they check it out and they're like wait this is

01:05:06.440 actually really fun like i was quite good at this um i just think the tools are amazing i think the

01:05:11.040 creator studio is freaking awesome because i use it every single day oh it's the best that i've

01:05:16.480 seen out there yeah um and for any model like what was the new thing that you were using where

01:05:21.160 you're what what was it uh gpt allows you to add multiple images you can have two at once so sky

01:05:26.880 browse has a patreon now where he releases some of his like tips and tricks of the sky browse trade

01:05:32.640 which is an entirely new trade that he's inventing and he pointed out how with gpt i think 2.5

01:05:38.740 which is available on our uh in in our creator studio as well of course alongside all the other

01:05:45.480 image generation novel models you can upload multiple references like three references

01:05:49.440 and he showed how you can upload a really cool image of like someone in a pose stylistic very

01:05:55.560 very interesting and then basically say okay keep the pose keep the style just instead swap it out

01:06:02.340 for this person this likeness and so he took like a random really cool pose of a character

01:06:06.860 and then switched out yuki water for it um and she looks and you can do that with gpt text on

01:06:13.000 our gpt 2.5 yeah you so you go to image creator you select gpt 2.5 you enter the prompt that he

01:06:18.560 put check out sky browse patreon it's super awesome um and just copy and paste his prompt

01:06:23.120 to it with your you know slight variations and then put in you know the original image that you

01:06:28.260 want to appropriate appropriate and then the figure that you want to put in their place

01:06:33.800 Yeah. By the way, for people who are wondering, I actually use the site more for image and video generation than I use it for chatbots.

01:06:40.800 Obviously, because we're productive people. And I think that's how it is for most people.

01:06:44.360 We have people who are vibe coding, using using the vibe coding agents for their businesses.

01:06:48.580 We have people doing well, even if you're using Claude or something, the API like I use the RFAB API for my Claude agent.

01:06:54.440 And what it allows it to do is whenever it reaches a stopping point, instead of stopping, it calls my phone and it asks what next.

01:07:01.640 and the rfab api handles all this the rfab api has rooms so you can have multiple agents

01:07:05.640 collaborate even across different devices basically anything you want with coding the

01:07:10.480 rfab api is going to like dramatically boost your ability give you the ability to make loading

01:07:14.100 animations and you can just copy it from the website where it's linked in the sidebar and

01:07:19.020 then paste it into clod like clod code yeah and then tell it to put it in the clod md doc which

01:07:25.300 means it'll have it at the beginning of every session and so it's not actually hard at first

01:07:29.560 when malcolm was like when someone says api to me i'm like so that's something i'm never going to

01:07:35.200 do that i'm never going to do that but it's it's not that you copy and you paste the thing and then

01:07:41.380 it works which is my level this is my level all right octavian told me just like just right before

01:07:47.620 we started recording he's like well you know when you get older you know your brain doesn't work so

01:07:54.500 well you know you can't really remember stuff so much he just thinks that we're like complete

01:07:59.160 retards you don't remember things so much because you're old your brain doesn't work he's a sweet

01:08:07.700 kid he is a sweet it's true it's true that's why we have to lean so heavily on ai anyway here we 1.00

01:08:14.080 go you ready okay oh yeah did you see a deer yeah where's where's the deer right there in the tree

01:08:27.680 wait there's a deer in the trees where's the deer it's right there oh and

01:08:37.040 where's the ghost oh okay Indy why do you always say there are ghosts in our

01:08:44.720 house yes you'll just point to things in our house and you'll say there's a ghost

01:08:55.040 Do you see dead people Indy? Yeah. Do the dead people talk to you Indy? A squirrel!

01:09:06.040 Do you actually see a squirrel? Yes sir. It's in a tree. It's in a tree mommy.

01:09:17.040 I'm not seeing a girl. I'm looking. I'm not seeing it. 0.99

Based Camp - September 17, 2026

Anti-Man BDSM Cult That Made Video Games & Invented Cosplay (Nothing Changes)

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