Based Camp： Alt-Right Catgirl Femboys
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In this episode, we talk about why porn should be legalized in the United States, why porn is bad for society, and what we can learn from porn laws around the world. We also talk about the link between porn and childhood sexual abuse, and why we should be worried about porn.
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the the the thin boy alt-right cat girl there's a meme around this and this is where i think
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that our movement this new movement was in the conservative party has in many ways become
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affiliated with cat girls yeah you've got like cat girl kulag who we know that we've talked to
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personally and elon talking about investing in cat girls in that one famous tweet these are people
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who i consider very politically aligned with us and both of them have like weirdly talked about
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cat girls so what's going on there why are they talking about cat girls would you like to know
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more hello malcolm hello simone i am so excited for this topic today when we engage with uh some
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other other branches of conservatives one of the things that i think we all agree on is that
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sexuality isn't really handling itself well in society today that there are a ton of men and
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women that are turning to self-gratification over real relationships and that this is likely to
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expand in the future with ai and stuff like that one of the responses to this that many people consider
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is we should ban pornography and some countries that are more conservative than us in trying to
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solve fertility rates have done just that like south korea however it does not have the effects you would
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think it would have and it's generally a really bad idea but let's talk about why so when we first
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started writing the pragnitas guide to sexuality we were sure that we would find a lot of information
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that suggested that porn and masturbation were pretty damaging because we saw on reddit at that
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time like nofap the subreddit was really big people were like all about this is damaging me this is
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really harmful for me so we're like wow this is people must have looked into this and this is our
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ideology like self-control oh yeah yeah yeah yeah control is bad like that you need to take a prudish
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approach yeah yeah yeah don't indulge like that that must be bad lo and behold we were wrong and
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we totally own up to that now basically it looks like masturbation in general for both men and women
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is good it seems to be correlated with like more sexual empowerment and enjoyment on women's part
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it seems to reduce stress improve self-esteem improve body image there's a lot there's a lot to be said
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just for masturbation with or without porn we also say in the pragmatist guide to sexuality the
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masturbation may contribute to a decline in many social ills ucla researchers found that sex
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criminals on average consume less porn than the average person and started consuming it at a later
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age than the average non-sex criminal take that for what it's worth but it's crazier than that in
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countries that haven't allowed porn and then started allowing porn rates of ape you guys can figure out
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what i mean i'm trying not to get demonetized here uh rates of ape declined precipitously upon the
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legalization of pornography yeah so i can quote from our book on sexuality across nations more
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pessimistic added oh sorry and i'm going to use the word grape okay okay grape yeah grape across nations
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more permissive attitudes toward pornography are correlated with lower rates of grape and less violence
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against women a great case study of this can be seen with the czech republic where porn was illegal
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under communism then legalized when the party fell this decriminalization of pornography caused in one
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year grapes to decline over 37 percent in child abuse of the wrong no it's all wrong the child what abuse
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fell by about 50 similar results were seen where porn laws were loosened in denmark japan china and
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hong kong so talk about rates of internet expansion because that's also really interesting
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yes for every 10 percent increase in internet access in the u.s there is a corresponding regional decrease
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of 7.3 percent in grapes suggesting that the internet and its facilitation of masturbation
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may provide an outlet for sexual energy that might otherwise cause serious damage
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consider how correlational that is 10 percent to a seven percent drop a 10 percent rise in internet
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access to a seven percent drop that 50 percent drop so this is one of those things right where
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it's something that ideologically i can be like self-control is good this is bad etc yeah but then i engage
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with the data and do i want to be one of those people like the woke where i throw out the data when it
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doesn't agree with my ideological predilections or do i adapt to the data and i never want to be that
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type of person especially when it leads to children to suffer like that it was hungry right a 50 percent
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drop and it's one of the most horrible things a child could experience yeah okay a 50 percent drop in
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that happening yeah we would prefer to live in a society in which porn is legal and masturbation is
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widespread because our children on the streets are going to be safer like that just it now hold on so
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it actually gets more interesting than this so we also found in the book that the negative correlates
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to porn consumption are almost entirely tied to how much you believe there are going to be negative
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correlates yeah back to our theme of how you contextualize things influences whether or not
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so we'll try to do this after the episode we recorded where we talk really deeply about how
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much contextualization matters to whether or not you experience something like trauma or something
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else right which is if you see something as negative you will experience it as negative now in porn this is
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really interesting because it means that porn has a much more negative effect on religious people's
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psychology than it does on non-religious people's psychology or people who don't contextualize it negative
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psychology that is fascinating to me but it also means that when people talk about how porn is hurting
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them if they are somebody who believes porn will hurt them they are not lying it really does have a
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panoply of negative effects on them it just doesn't on the people who don't think it's negative so in many
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ways they're creating their own little nightmare yeah of adverse effects also a big theme that comes up
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with porn that many like feminists argue is that this is hurting men's perception of women it's causing
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men to objectify women it's causing men to see women especially is like less than human it's just
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objects of for pleasuring oneself but as we say in the pragmatist guide to sexuality despite what we had
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assumed masturbation and porn consumption do not lead people to think less of women people who watch
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pornography hold views of women as more equal to men than those who do not watch pornography
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consumers of porn are no less likely to describe themselves as feminists and actually express
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more egalitarian ideas about both women in positions of power and working outside the home according to the
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results of a study published in the journal of sex research so that also seems intuitively true
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typically the hardline religious people are probably going to consume less porn yeah but yeah so along almost
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every line it's worse to ban porn right but then you can say okay what about relationship structures
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okay porn must negatively affect people in relationships do we have any data on that i'm
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pretty sure we do one study conducted on college students found that those who masturbate more actually
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have more sex than those who masturbate less another study found that people who masturbate more
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often have happier marriages and more satisfying sex within those marriages masturbating while fantasizing
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about one's partner has also been shown to improve the quality of relationships and reduce relationship
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damaging behavior patterns wow yeah so we actually had trouble finding studies that suggested that
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porn has negative effects on people who don't believe that porn has a negative effect okay so we found a
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couple studies that showed it might have negative effects we couldn't find any study that showed
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masturbation alone had a negative effect yeah it's more with any sort of pleasurable activity it can be
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habit forming so while it's not recognized institutionally as addictive inherently you can i think fall into
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patterns that are quite damaging just like you could develop a food addiction it is totally possible and many
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people do have addictions to porn yeah well actually this is a but i also think let's ignore all of the
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research let's pretend that wasn't there yeah i've been talking with some like catholic integralists and
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they're like okay we need to enforce basically our ideology on other people and through that society can be
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made better right if we remove access to porn it will fix relationship dynamics and stuff like that
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and here i am being like what a sign of cultural weakness that you cannot exist as a cultural group
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without at the government level banning access to certain things the way i see it is anybody who can't
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motivate themselves to reproduce in an environment where porn exists probably doesn't need to be a part of
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the gene pool because things like porn are going to exist within future cultural environments and they are
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going to eventually seek in unless you completely wall yourself off from society and if you want to do that as a
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cultural group go ahead and try i'm fairly certain you will lose because the groups that have tried that
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are losing unless they keep themselves completely disconnected from the world so by that what i mean is
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amish groups that have adopted cell phone use they've actually seen a precipitous fall in their
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fertility rates yeah you can you'll be okay so long as you're not engaging with technology but then how
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do you compete economically on a large scale how do you matter in terms of the future of our species
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the future of our species will be defined by people who have overcome these challenges
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not people who engaged with them by isolating themselves from them
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and finally i actually imagine that a lot of the psychological benefits that people are reporting
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from porn restriction is actually the psychological benefits that come from just any sort of arbitrary
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desire restriction whether it's meat restriction or fish restriction or i'm not going to eat between
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this in this period of the day like you would have with ramadan intermittent fasting yeah arbitrary
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self-denial rituals as we always mention strengthen the inhibitory pathways in your prefrontal cortex and make
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it easier to shut down our truths of thoughts which can make it easier to force yourself to work and
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you'll just generally be mentally healthier great but you see this anywhere you have this you don't
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need it to be porn and this is where i think that our movement this new movement was in the conservative
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party that is much more open to ideas like this has in many ways become affiliated with catgirls yeah
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you've got like catgirl kulag who we know we've talked to personally and elon talking about investing
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in catgirls in that one famous tweet these are people who i consider very politically aligned with
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us and both of them have like weirdly talked about catgirls so what's going on there why are they
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talking about catgirls here is what i think is going on there and why i do think that you call it
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catgirl conservatism please let this be a new political party new ownership of male sexuality
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the attractive catgirl is something that is both sexually deviant and that it's not approved by
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either traditional conservative society or the new progressive society because it's seen as i don't
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know dehumanizing of women or fetishizing or something like that so it's frowned on by both groups
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but it is also i think near universal i think there's very few guys who aren't like oh cute catgirls
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right you mean who are fine cute catgirls aversive yeah i don't think that's a new or not grossed out
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i think that there's a lot of weird fetishes out there and stuff like that where but sort of 50 50
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yeah hot catgirls i get the off perception it's 90 to 95 percent of guys they're proud pleasers
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they're not they're not like like really furry style i'm talking about anime style
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you know like a tail or something right yes it's one of those things that is both subversive
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and nearly universal and i think it also and i think this is really important
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is a reclamation of male sexuality which is really open ground for the conservative movement right now
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because traditionally the conservatives were sexually conservative and the progressives were
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more sexually open but as time has gone on the progressive movement has become more and more
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sex negative especially in relation to male sexuality like male desire is something to be shamed
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and so you can take ownership of that right and create a movement which i think is appeals to ground
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that the progressive has voluntarily ceded and that there is no reason why the conservative party
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either ideologically like why are we creating a nanny state to protect people for themselves
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ideologically that makes no sense and the data i think also shows that you're not really getting
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a big advantage from this yeah oh that's interesting a new way of being proud of male sexuality
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which progressive groups would argue how dare you ever try to be proud of that that
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objectifies and ruins everyone whereas actually it has been shamed for for quite a long time
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actually there was this meme that i want to say oh yeah yeah so it's it's the the the thin boy alt-right
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cat girl there's a meme around this which is an increasing alt-right movement in the thin boy
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movement okay but i think it's really organic when you think about it because this is a movement that
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is becoming increasingly common because i think of the biological changes to males that are happening
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because of environmental pollutants the study we always cite is the the tide studies that looked at
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first trimester blood levels of endocrine disruptors and mothers and then things like anogenital
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distance and gender play and children these are still people who have i think a lot of masculine
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mindset in terms of how they approach politics and stuff like that but the way that they self-identify
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and relate to their own sexuality is very much more femboy and i also think the femboy identity is to
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some extent subversive these days because in a world where you are expected to transition if you don't
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immediately adopt a traditional masculine sexuality proudly adopting a femboy lifestyle i can see how that would
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relate to the alt-right movement to an extent interesting yeah how does what what is adjacent
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to this or what i see discussed a lot in in similar circles just as okay maybe femboy cat girls are being
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celebrated female promiscuity and sexuality is being demonized and i don't really understand why where i stand
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now is that there are different female sexual strategies and they make sense in different contexts so
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sure being really prudish or limiting number of sexual partners or maybe not even having sex until marriage
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can make sense in some contexts in other contexts being promiscuous having as many sexual partners as you
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would care to have is advantageous especially when you know the trade-offs coming into it why yeah walk me through
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this it actually damages the non-promiscuous group for the promiscuous group to exist
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so suppose i'm a part of a catholic commune or something like that right i try to go back to the way things
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used to be i have built monogamous relationships we ban divorce in our communities so if you existed in like
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old france or something like that right this was the way things used to be you couldn't just leave
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your partner the switching costs would be incredibly high we can go to the switching costs episode on
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relationships where we talk about relationship structure and stuff like that so if you were my
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husband i wouldn't have to worry because who else could you possibly go to everyone else is married
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right if you left me you would have this huge social stigma against you within basically anyone else you
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could marry which would hurt your chances to marry someone else which artificially strengthens our
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relationship and makes divorce less likely but even if you isolate your community these days a man
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could still just leave and go to a completely different like community in a completely different
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area every single promiscuous girl in in general society lowers the quality of every other
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relationship just from them existing and by that what i mean it's a lower the quality of every other
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relationship where relationship quality is defined by how much an individual values their partner
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divided by how the average quality of a partner they think they could get on an open marketplace right
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and as we said when somebody believes the average quality of a partner they can get on an open
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marketplace is higher than the quality of their existing relationship they're going to like their
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relationship so there is a reason there is a reason why somebody would be like i don't like this
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right however i think it's a completely losing battle to fight right and i think it alienates potential
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cultural allies that do not need to be alienated like with ayla right i always am trying to convince
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her to join our side i'm like you gotta join the conservatives we've got your back or at least our
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group within the party has your back and then she has these horrible experiences with these frankly
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insecure quote-unquote trad guys who think they're being cool by shaming somebody for i don't know
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being a deviant sexually and it's whatever whatever she's living the life that i think
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most red pillars would live if they were born in a woman's body yeah but but you were just arguing
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that someone who is willing to what i'm arguing is that it does hurt those communities but no amount
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of shaming is going to remove people like that from the general marketplace at this point they just
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exist now there is nothing you can do to get rid of them anymore and thus by going out there and
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making yourself a problem for these people all you do is chase away potential allies at this point
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i'm not saying they don't hurt your relationships i'm not saying it doesn't have exogenous effects on
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your community it does but no amount of shaming that you're doing is making anything better all it's
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doing is chasing away potential allies that it and you could be like no because if we consolidated
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power within conservative movement we could ban porn so what you ban porn who are you helping you're
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helping the people who aren't in your cultural group unless you're saying that like and i was in
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korea you can get porn with vpns and stuff i don't know what you people think like how good these porn
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bands actually are but isn't prostitution legal in korea how does that work i don't remember but i do
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remember there was a lot of it so yeah i guess what i'm saying is that porn bands just don't work
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that well they they work less well what freaks me out though and as we alluded to earlier in this
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podcast like the more you ban access to porn the more people are going to sort of right and then
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that need elsewhere yeah 50 percent reduction in that happening to kids yeah that to me was just
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like what even are you so for some sort of like aesthetic cultural victory you're willing to let
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actual children suffer yeah not cool not cool buddy i don't like it when progressives pull that shit and
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i don't like it when you guys pull that shit either yeah what matters is is it's the kids and
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not all kids i can protect my kids i can keep my kids out of the school system not everyone can do
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that yeah no i i hope that a couple of minds have been changed about the value but yeah yeah porn it's
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useful don't ban it thank you very much no i guess it's useful and it may be useful to you to restrict
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yourself from it but it's actually the act of the restriction which is providing you with the
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benefits if you honestly like i i from the research i think if you want to restrict something and develop
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your self-denial pathways your inhibitory pathways try intermittent fasting it appears to have some
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pretty good benefits health-wise whereas as long as you don't have a problem uh have like a habit
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form-based addiction to porn it seems to be that moderate and reasonable masturbation and porn use
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has beneficial effects and increases testosterone levels i think but yeah hold on i think even
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yeah one study suggests abstaining from masturbation for seven days may increase testosterone levels which
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could be useful okay so i guess if you're trying to build muscle then okay yeah sure like that too
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but but if you do have an addiction to porn which some people argue that it can't happen whatever
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i'll say it can happen all right yeah if it does happen then use naltrexam yes just go to all day
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chemist or whatever this is a site where you can order these pills from india it's an opioid agonist
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take a pill and hour later masturbate to porn do this every day for a week you will never want to
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masturbate to porn again i think it takes longer than a week it's in clear methods like six months
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maybe a month okay but if you do this for a month you will eventually lose that addiction i mean if
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others study there anything to go on 80 probably yeah so there you have it ladies and gentlemen
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porn good if you are addicted porn bad but you can fix it and please don't ban porn for the children
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thank you very much welcome i love you i love talking about all these crazy things with you and i'm
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looking forward to our next conversation i love you too i love you too