00:00:00.000Hello, Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today.
00:00:03.580In the manosphere, one of the common topics is how women like to sleep with the enemies, the invading enemies during war.
00:00:12.980And I had heard this historically, and my take on it was, I mean, I guess, maybe.
00:00:20.760But I decided to do a bit more of a breakdown of this.
00:00:25.620Get the actual numbers. How much of a population comes from this?
00:00:29.360Why do women do this? Why do we let a population that has a propensity for facilitating the enemy vote in our elections? What would these women likely do if asked to vote on policies like immigration?1.00
00:00:43.980it's just oh boy oh why are we oh when i went into this data the thing that really surprised me0.99
00:00:52.240uh because what you could argue is this is just a function of having a large army within a
00:01:00.520territory for a period right but if we break down different instances like the american occupation
00:01:09.100of france versus similar time window the nazi occupation of france because america occupied0.98
00:01:14.380france as we were pushing back the nazis the french women barely married or had kids with
00:01:21.160the americans whereas they did it in huge numbers with the nazis if we look in the case of americans0.97
00:01:27.320because americans were stationed in new zealand they were stationed in australia they were
00:01:31.300stationed in many places if you're talking about the pacific theater barely had any marriages out
00:01:35.540of that a huge number orders of magnitude more when americans were occupying japan like an actual
00:01:41.540hostile conquest even though they treated them fairly nice during that period so what we're
00:01:46.380seeing here is women seem to have a propensity to get with a specific type of male but let's go
00:01:55.880into it you're gonna say something simone this is bizarre to me because of course i only exist0.78
00:02:00.780because a French war bride married an American Okie
00:03:56.620So there were roughly 6,000 in Belgium and 10 to 20,000 in the occupied French departments, often registered as father unknown or illegitimate births.
00:04:05.720This is for how many children were born as a result of this.
00:04:08.200To understand how much of an impact this had,
00:16:12.120what does bichet mean in french bichet pretty right um um kisses that means dear here
00:16:23.280i'd also point out here that later we're going to talk about how men are not inculpable in this
00:16:29.920that a male sleeping with a conquered female can be as damaging to the group as a female sleeping
00:16:36.520was a conquering male uh in terms of leaks in intelligence and could even be worse because
00:16:44.000he's sleeping with someone who is genetically inferior given that they were able to conquer
00:16:47.820their group but in this case he called her a deer or a prey species which i as a male would find0.60
00:16:57.320hot he's saying you're a weak you're you are the prey um and i think in the same way that women
00:17:04.720find the idea of the monster men hot many men find the idea of the conquered woman hot uh which is
00:17:13.840i think just as morally compromised side note if you're annoyed by simone's audio in this i'm sorry
00:17:19.280about that uh we the alternative was to re-record the entire episode to which we would come off as
00:17:26.160disingenuous because we were reenacting a conversation we already had or not release
00:17:31.280the video at all which seemed like a bad idea it won't happen again we've built safeguards to this
00:17:37.540essentially the system switched from her professional microphone to a non-professional
00:17:42.440microphone and so not just was the audio bad in the middle part it gets better at the end
00:17:48.100but when she was trying to mute it because the baby was in the room who's very sick and so
00:17:54.400we wanted the young kid with her you could hear the young child talking very very sorry about this
00:18:00.740but the alternative was just not release the episode at all um anyway look there is she moved
00:18:08.560into the apartment on on uh quai de confetti uh looking this sign their relationship was intense
00:18:15.680and largely private in its emotional core she insisted in later questioning that it was purely
00:18:19.560sentimental and that they never discussed military or political events but it was publicly known in
00:18:24.140social and artistic circles they exchanged passionate letters some collected published
00:18:28.300post-war by something um when uh shuring was sent to the italian front including the
00:18:35.160to casso area they continued writing sometimes via intermediaries orary women were more often
00:18:42.300in contemporary diaries and later interviews historian rebert gilday interviewed marine0.99
00:18:47.440rametteau who as a young woman had german officers billeted in her home she recalled them as polite
00:18:53.600and culture discussing gosser and french literature playing the violin rather than the
00:18:58.480cartoon villains of wartime propaganda letters exchanged between french women and german soldiers
00:19:03.160studied by historians such as charles barmaton often dwell on ordinary daily life food and
00:19:08.520small gifts rather than the grand ideology or pure exploitation look have you been in like you've
00:19:14.840heard about how like you know certain foods go really at high prices in jail oh yeah no there
00:19:19.200were women who would sleep with german for like nylon stockings like again like i don't know why
00:19:24.500it's like you can't downplay it just because it's for food i mean when something's scarce it's
00:19:29.900valuable one documented case involved a woman who followed her german fiance to germany and
00:19:35.660to need to marry him after the war later learning of his death a return that he died for germany
00:19:40.320some women hid deserting german partners as the allies advanced so again um0.98
00:19:45.840um it doesn't directly against us it sounds better the thing is when you look at women's
00:19:54.100romance novels enemies to lovers and also like the evil like bad bad guy like is it's very hot
00:20:00.340to women and so all of this sounds like just catnip really yes really i'm only being honest
00:20:11.000and speaking facts very uncomfortable ones but enemies to lovers wouldn't be like it's such um
00:20:17.040it's such a meaningful thing that often when you read book reviews of romance novels they'll just
00:20:23.100rattle off the tropes like age gap enemies to lovers blah blah blah uh like dominance
00:20:30.140submission and this is it's just one of the most popular ones enemies to lovers is maybe the most
00:20:37.160popular well maybe women are built for this let's continue um so uh allied soldiers where do we see0.99
00:20:45.440this uh 70 000 british women in australia new zealand it was 12 000 to 15 500 women in new
00:20:53.240zealand it was 1 500 in continental europe this is where you get the large numbers uh we run into
00:20:58.240around 150,000 to 200,000. And then in Asia, we have 66,000 from Japan, 28,000 from Korea,
00:21:07.840and 52,000 from the Philippines. Now, you can compare similar periods here, where if you're
00:21:13.900looking at like Australia and New Zealand, you're looking at like 12,000 to 15,000 peaceful
00:21:17.220occupation. Japan, you're looking at like 66,000, which again was much higher than even Korea,
00:21:22.760which is a more peaceful occupation, 28,000. The only number that really comes close to Japan is
00:21:27.860is the philippines with 52 000 obviously you get the continental europe but that includes
00:21:31.500it's italy uh that includes germany so that includes a lot of you know the the people we
00:21:37.160were actually at war with um in germany we're looking at 14 to 20 000 so um in uh occupy japan
00:21:45.520and note here we're seeing different numbers here uh anyway lots of lots of war brides in
00:21:51.580occupy japan and uh tolbert's washington post series on the related japanese war brides oral
00:21:56.480history archive she met hoko suzy tolbert met a gi on a tokyo street car while working at px0.96
00:22:03.340he persisted after initial refusals japanese men she noted rarely did she was not head over heels
00:22:10.380but saw the relationship with an escape from a bleak post-war situation certainly not as bleak
00:22:15.160as the soldiers who were fighting on the front line to keep you safe he brought uh scarce gifts
00:22:20.740such as chocolate clothing and spam great that you went for a box of spam um she noted that the
00:22:28.980american soldiers were taller and better fed than the japanese soldiers uh women never denying the
00:22:34.560allegation of going after the tall kings oh boy no where you get really high numbers in comparison
00:22:42.500to all this is where you have things like mass sexual violence like happened in germany after
00:22:47.120the soviet advance which was a less peaceful advance and here you're getting a number of
00:22:53.280children at around 400 000 at least of which 300 000 were attributed to soviets oh gosh
00:23:00.960and in austria if you're talking about american gis around 30 000 black babies which apparently
00:23:08.180people find the need to separate out um and so let's go through the the different um numbers
00:23:13.760here okay so uh if we're looking at hostile versus non-hostile occupation okay so hostile
00:23:21.500occupations um you have america of japan where you had uh you know 50 000 60 000 uh marriages as a
00:23:30.240result um you have the german occupation of belgium uh 10 to 20 000 um you have german occupied france
00:23:37.36040 to 100 000 uh and the soviets in east germany uh 300 000 then uh we have the the peaceful ones
00:23:44.980uh where it's a lot easier to measure marriages they don't have as many kids uh we can get
00:23:50.840children here so uh with americans in britain it was only 9 000 to 23 000 compare that to these
00:23:55.820other numbers of comparatively smaller occupations americans in australia marriages we have 12 to
00:24:02.72015 500 again uh lower than a lot of those others um and americans in occupied germany um you had
00:24:09.18014 20 000 uh which is wildly different than the 300 000 children born of the soviets uh so there's
00:24:20.320been some research done on this which is really fascinating they looked at playing games and how
00:24:26.260affection works between males and females and um wait wait wait wait sorry i'm gonna try to guess
00:24:32.340here if a woman loses a game she finds her male counterpart hotter so it's it's not about hotness
00:24:39.740it's about like trust versus hostility like like team camaraderie is what they're looking at if i
00:24:44.940could beat you at a game i'm not gonna trust you as much so if you're playing a team sport and
00:24:49.880your team is losing men feel more trust for their own side whereas women feel less trust for their
00:24:56.520own side and i believe i have to look at stuff in post more trust for the other side when their
00:25:00.520side is losing so it's been ages since i went over this and i wanted to get you guys the accurate
00:25:05.320info so this is van vog de kramer d johnson 2007 gender differences in cooperation and competition
00:25:13.320the male warrior hypothesis and what it showed was that men showed significantly more contribution
00:25:22.340when their group was competing against other groups than when there was no intergroup competition
00:25:27.100They also showed stronger identification with in-group under threat. Specifically, they would give even more when their group was losing, whereas women's cooperation levels was completely unaffected by whether or not there was in-group competition or whether their group had won or lost the last round.
00:25:47.180um and keep in mind there's also the famous study of punishment when there is a bad actor
00:25:52.980in an experiment where somebody cheated at an online game and received a shock um men felt
00:25:59.840good when they saw the cheater receive a shock whereas women felt as bad as they did when
00:26:04.380somebody who is totally innocent received a shock um they just don't want anyone to be hurt
00:26:09.720basically yes so now the question comes why are women like this indeed okay i wanted to add some
00:26:19.200additional studies here that there was one on sexual selection in war heroism which showed
00:26:25.220archival analysis of u.s world war ii soldiers some that surviving medal of honors recipients
00:26:29.740had dramatically more offspring than other veterans 3.18 to 2.72 um experimental vignette
00:26:38.240studies with female participants showed higher sexual attractiveness ratings for male soldiers
00:26:42.900described as war heroes versus those who served with distinguished heroism who did not go to war
00:26:48.800so women like warriors disproportionately even if they say they don't if you were looking at0.64
00:26:55.060snyder et al evolution human behavior it found that women's self-reported fear of crime predicted
00:27:01.920stronger preferences for long-term mates described as aggressive and dominant or physically formidable
00:27:08.100follow-up work has examined how stable this preference is across contexts and links it to
00:27:14.760perceived vulnerability related studies have looked into women's evaluations of outgroup men
00:27:19.640in intergroup settings sometimes finding more negative responses under conditions of elevated
00:27:24.280contraception risk when women appraise themselves as vulnerable to sexual coercion
00:27:29.180the male warrior hypothesis if we're looking at genetic studies on this what we have found
00:27:35.540is a basic sex-based immigration on iberia particularly the 2000 bc mark 40 of the overall
00:27:43.460ancestry was replaced with 100 of the y chromosome lineage being from that region so they basically
00:27:50.560just took wives and completely replaced the existing population we also saw significant0.77
00:27:56.740male admixture added in areas where the mongol empire dominated a region and if we look at
00:28:03.080vikings in the british isles what we see is its highest in the northern isles with 20 to 25 percent
00:28:10.320having viking ancestry but significantly more having y chromosome based viking ancestry0.86
00:28:17.380we also see this pattern in anatolia the levite and the sabines why are women like this do you
00:28:24.080hypothesize simone i mean i think the answer is fairly obvious yeah yeah the women existed in
00:28:30.720places that were raided for thousands of years if not millions of years this is something that
00:28:38.080you see among i think both monkeys and apes right where uh males from other troops or groups or0.72
00:28:45.460plans will raid the other one and then they will you know kill the babies kill the men um take the0.99
00:28:52.400the females and then do do things i mean a woman's goal is to find a genetically fit male0.99
00:29:00.320right like that's what they're looking for they're not wins but that is to say by defeating the other0.78
00:29:05.620males around her we have identified a genetically fit male let us reproduce with him it's called in
00:29:12.040biology honest signaling so in biology you have two phenomenons you have one phenomenon which is
00:29:19.160dishonest signaling and one phenomenon that is honest signaling wait what's an example of
00:29:23.560dishonest signaling so suppose a deer uh this is an actual case of dishonest signaling which
00:29:31.100usually leads to the species going extinct or this this trait going extinct um finds out that
00:29:36.180they can signal to females which is larger by making like a roaring sound or something like
00:29:41.960that right a roaring deer yes i think this was in ireland or something anyway so they
00:29:47.640They make a sound that is meant to show which is a more genetically fit deer than the other deer, okay?
00:29:57.900Now, suppose one of these deers finds a hatchetivist, and they evolve some sort of larynx that can produce a deeper roar even on sickly males.
00:30:11.080This is dishonest signaling, and it usually eventually dies out.
00:30:14.760that is really funny and i'm after this going to have to look up roaring deer so are we i'm
00:30:22.120excited you can find that this is just from memory of biology it's just from memory but also
00:30:27.080surprisingly accurate it was on red deer roaring to show fitness but it was a sign of honest
00:30:34.100signaling because it matched their fitness relatively well and they are a species found
00:30:39.200in scotland and ireland um note by the way very interestingly um in dishonest versus honest
00:30:47.900signaling in the video game i'm making that takes place in a techno puritan far future
00:30:52.860it is very normal to have children or adolescents in their school systems undergo life and death
00:31:00.080based competitions and a large number of them die and the answer for this when people are like why
00:31:06.200would you do this is in a world of high levels of genetic modification you can either have this
00:31:11.440dysgenics or become a eugenicist what this world would call a eugenicist and what they mean by this
00:31:19.760is if you don't have people removed from the gene pool in honest tests of genetic fitness
00:31:25.760the tests of genetic fitness that ends up determining what genes survive is just how
00:31:31.920many surviving offspring you have which can lead to very negative consequences as we are seeing0.84
00:31:36.760right now as in being a dumb baby factory can get you more kids right so that's seen as a a0.74
00:31:42.280a dishonest test of meaningful fitness if meaningful fitness is defined by your ability0.96
00:31:49.620to creatively outcompete your opponent and it's a world where when people die they can be uploaded0.83
00:31:55.040into virtual environments so death is treated very differently um but the eugenicists are the
00:32:01.160people who say well yes dysgenics would be a bad thing if we allowed it to happen we should
00:32:06.240engineer what are good genes and what are bad genes at the level of the government whereas
00:32:13.600the techno puritans believe no you can't engineer what genes are good or bad at the level of the
00:32:18.540government because if you do that you're you're not allowing honest competition and you will
00:32:23.300eventually be out competed by groups that do allow honest competition uh no i always try to
00:32:28.220make my own descendants the bad guys in any games or narrative i make or at least significantly
00:32:34.160morally dubious because i think it's it's really uh leads to uninteresting stories if your own
00:32:40.900guys are morally pure from a modern standpoint right like they're uh so i i try to make them
00:32:47.520uh more interesting in this regard and this is one of the the ways i did this in this environment
00:32:52.480um but yeah the simone answer is right historically speaking uh villages were
00:33:00.900raided very regularly um so it would make genetic sense if your village is being raided in a
00:33:09.140historic basis one your men have proven through their defeat their own genetic unfitness
00:33:13.980so if you are a fitness seeking vehicle it is actually good from the perspective so long as0.53
00:33:22.380you don't give women too much power in a society, it is actually genetically good for your own
00:33:27.660people to have this propensity. An example of this is throughout the Bible, we see stop marrying the1.00
00:33:33.700Canaanites Jews, stop marrying the Canaanites Jews, stop marrying the Canaanites Jews after you0.97
00:33:38.760conquer these people. And we now know that around 50% of the Jewish genome, like the historic legacy0.99
00:33:45.300genome is Canaanite. So you can conquer a people genetically who end up successfully through0.93
00:33:51.440your women um and i think this also shows that the bible was giving the jews good advice they0.90
00:33:57.020just didn't always follow it very well i mean we see this in a story that we'll be talking about
00:34:01.300in an upcoming track on the binding of isaac uh which is you know when he's when he's finding
00:34:05.480isaac a wife it's like none of these canaanite women come on man um but it's not just about
00:34:10.080like you might get slightly better genes it's sometimes it's about a question of are you going
00:34:14.820to die does your genetic line die with you or does it continue no it's not Coco Chanel was not0.94
00:34:22.200going to die the most famous actress she is the descendant of millions of years of women who may
00:34:26.940have died had they not true true okay this is why we get the monster efforts yes like yes this is
00:34:33.580it's it's this is inbuilt instincts caused by selective pressures that have been
00:34:40.120banging on women for a very very very long time so it just because maybe right now it's not going
00:34:47.520to play out that way there is still a deep instinct that perhaps it would and you know
00:34:52.280like like when you're being waterboarding you're probably not going to die yeah it is it is going0.99
00:34:57.440to die genetically stupid to do this to to do this because as a theme when i say genetically1.00
00:35:05.380stupid what i mean is if you care about your genes and the genes of your people propagating1.00
00:35:10.220um it matters to keep yourself and your new offspring with the conquering groups alive1.00
00:35:16.920and i'll note here that we have to say not all women you know famously a woman who would have0.99
00:35:24.380genetically helped her people but had teachings in her stuff around not
00:35:28.640marrying and having sex with the invading force uh famously a jewish woman uh this is how muhammad0.99
00:35:35.840ended up dying uh he killed her husband and kids and said okay now you're gonna be one of my sex1.00
00:35:41.200slaves because muhammad had sex slaves of course that was one of his things the muslims worship1.00
00:35:47.260someone with sex slaves or worship through someone with sex slaves great um it's not awesome you can't1.00
00:35:53.360be like it was of the period like jesus didn't have sex slaves okay um that we know of no he0.95
00:35:59.080didn't it doesn't seem like this thing it's like it's really hard to even imagine some secret sex
00:36:04.500life for jesus so you didn't have to do that okay uh but he chose to and make it cool make it okay
00:36:13.240make it kosher um and so one of those sex lines decided to poison him and famously the famous
00:36:20.820line up it felt like someone was tearing out my aorta and earlier in the text he says if i'm lying
00:36:26.820about god talking to me uh may he tear out my aorta um really
00:36:32.380or similar very aorta that's a very uh very distinct and weird to say yes i know and i would
00:36:41.220note here that while two different words are used for aorta in both contexts in each case the concept
00:36:47.860of tearing out whatever that word is is totally unique to the quran and the hadith in that
00:36:53.360instance this is not a common saying and incredibly distinct to these two places in the quran you
00:37:00.240almost say it's a sign um but uh we won't go too far onto that okay okay yeah okay
00:37:09.080yeah i'm gonna point out like like my actual takeaway on this is good for women attempting
00:37:15.560to survive and keep the line of their people stable uh maybe wait till like you've actually0.99
00:37:21.260been conquered but again those genetic tendencies are going to be there in that population and if
00:37:29.360we look at groups that you know were there's a reason why the the groups that had trouble keeping
00:37:35.560it in their pants like the catholic conquistador factions versus the more protestant factions that
00:37:40.120didn't intermarry as frequently with the native populations why the native populations despite
00:37:44.600being subject to the same diseases that the northern european ones were in um latin america
00:37:49.240have a much higher surviving population rate um and a lot of that a third of the genome in the
00:37:54.640region it comes from uh these these sorts of parricks right where we're not not all of it0.80
00:38:01.340obviously some of them integrated into society but a big chunk of it did where the um and they0.72
00:38:07.920had like an entire class in society the i forget what you call it but it was the children of the
00:38:13.080spaniards yes you know your history simone's such an educated woman great
00:38:19.860so you immediately jumped on and tried to defend this behavior which i love0.98
00:38:26.000you never did not never defeating the allegations um i have to represent the
00:38:31.040counterpoint and also the women apparently but also i've read enough like you know
00:38:37.200yeah you find it hot you read enemies to lovers you know i do love enemies to lovers i love
00:38:43.860enemies to lovers yeah i i really do i really do um i i don't know why why do i like it um i think
00:38:51.220it's the male version of hard to get and that's a status signaler because if it's hard to get it
00:38:56.200must be valuable right i think that's like the most rudimentary version of it that you can get
00:39:01.000And I want to be clear to something about men, okay?
00:39:05.580If you look at this and you see these women as betraying their country0.57
00:39:10.760for having a predilection to find this stuff hot,0.99
00:39:16.900do men have a problem with having sex with conquered women?0.96
00:39:23.720the men who marry the conquered women are as morally culpable as the women who mate with
00:39:34.500the conquering men i'll explain why because i guess in the same way that return with the v to
00:39:41.480land um is is insulted by the fact that all these men are applying who've married latin american
00:39:46.380women you're saying that like the men who are fighting for like the aryan race or france are
00:39:53.300are betraying france or wherever because they're not working to in a very concentrated fashion
00:40:01.900continue their they're both genetic and cultural inheritance so the reason why it's so bad is when1.00
00:40:10.220women do it it is bad for two reasons okay you could argue uh reason number one is that you could1.00
00:40:19.820say if you care about any form of like genetic ethnic purity it's bad for that reason right1.00
00:40:23.960and reason number two is they are betraying their own people the people fighting for them in a war0.97
00:40:30.420um by marrying an outsider but it is good for one reason the women are choosing genetically more fit
00:40:41.100populations to breed with so that like like you said historically that's true but now it's not
00:40:46.440necessarily true no i mean that's in a war that is true no look the genetically fit men of their
00:40:52.980population are out fighting the war further afield they've been drafted they're gone they've been
00:40:57.640lost they lost the war the french lost that's how you get under occupation they were that's a fair
00:41:04.100point so they did an insufficiently bad job while being away from home however if you are a male
00:41:11.720while you are not betraying your country necessarily you could be because this is how a
00:41:16.560lot of reports were leaked more leaks happen from men sleeping with women than from women
00:41:23.800sleeping with men in terms of valuable military secrets so you are actually engaging in something
00:41:30.160that can be more harmful to the war effort than what the woman is doing but in addition to that0.96
00:41:36.520you are doing something worse than the woman because you are marrying a genetically unfit0.82
00:41:42.780population this many tokens see because she hasn't used any of her tokens ever she's only done0.97
00:41:52.600learning things. She doesn't watch cartoons.
00:43:19.560So, like, they have to, like, spend this many minutes doing educational stuff before they can start to play.
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00:43:36.100Well, look, I use it as a creative studio, but sure, you can also use it for that.
00:43:41.780I mean, yeah, we're recording on this. It's great for creative work.
00:43:44.400If you do any sort of, like, AI art video.