Based Camp - Is the Handmaid's Tale a Lefty Roleplay Fantasy？

00:00:00.000 hello simone i'm excited to be talking to you today today we are going to be talking about

00:00:04.640 a handmaid's tale there have been some jokes on the right that we have participated in

00:00:11.840 that it appears that a portion of the left is genuinely aroused by handmaid's tale scenarios

00:00:20.960 and is attempting to larp a fantasy in which they are living these scenarios for predominantly

00:00:31.160 sexualized reason and i think that when we've said this and other people have said this i've laughed

00:00:39.440 i've been like oh that's so silly and then like this voice started to creep into my mind malcolm

00:00:44.840 you should probably look into whether or not this is the case i was never joking i think it's legit

00:00:49.280 and i think we have receipts so we are going to yes look for receipts this is actually something

00:00:56.040 that's happening on the left then we are going to go over a slide deck that ayla created for hereticon

00:01:03.500 that goes over some of what women are into and i think that this and it's just so important for us

00:01:08.180 to constantly be emphasizing this women consume the majority of violent pornography yeah this is not a

00:01:16.860 this is not a dude thing this is not a dude thing and you'll get people like you know louise perry and

00:01:23.420 she goes oh well okay maybe your girlfriend asked you to choke her but she was only doing that because

00:01:31.120 other guys had choked her before and i was like bitch women didn't turn 50 shades of gray into a

00:01:37.540 best-selling book to impress guys yeah okay conspicuously reading 50 shades of gray on a bus

00:01:45.840 so a guy could see it and be like yeah i bet she's into some kinky stuff

00:01:50.940 it shows a complete disconnect from reality among a certain class of people that's just like well i i

00:01:58.760 think part of it is that there is a a non-trivial subset of of women and and people in general

00:02:06.140 who are really turned off by this like it's not their fetish and they can't imagine and this is an

00:02:12.340 issue as well there is an extreme non-turned-off category an extreme turned on category but the

00:02:17.180 not turned on category is a smaller category but this is an issue pervasive in sexuality where like

00:02:22.720 this subset of people who are extremely turned off by the thing are also very disgusted by it which is

00:02:28.140 something you discuss a lot in the private kind of sexuality and when you equate it's very easy to

00:02:32.720 equate disgust with this must be morally bad and so they're like sorry you mix up your words of it

00:02:38.440 there whenever an audience is extremely aroused by something another audience will be extremely

00:02:43.260 disgusted by the same thing whenever one audience is disgusted by something another audience will be

00:02:47.720 extremely aroused by it but some individuals just struggle with comprehending that their own

00:02:53.480 arousal patterns may not be the dominant arousal patterns within their gender these people remind

00:02:59.280 me of those i don't know if you've ever known one of those predatory bi guys who's like come on man

00:03:03.980 or gay guys they're like everybody's actually secretly gay and i'm like no i'm definitely not

00:03:08.740 secretly gay but they just they don't believe it there's part of their brain that's like this is

00:03:13.540 what and this is the thing that so it's a very common like logical mistake that people make where

00:03:19.460 if you broadly like someone and respect them and and think they're a nice person then you're going

00:03:24.540 to assume that they are disgusted by the things same things that you're disgusted by that they

00:03:28.320 believe the same things you do and so i think it's really easy for people who are really turned off by

00:03:32.900 this stuff to be like well no one could be turned on by this and everyone must be turned on by the

00:03:37.860 things i'm turned on by and that's just how it is and then this causes a lot of this misunderstanding

00:03:43.100 in conflict yeah so here's a post on reddit this is a by a left-wing person the women perpetuating

00:03:50.320 the delusional idea that they will be forcibly impregnated by the most powerful men in society

00:03:54.920 are taking part in a fantasy even being pro-choice i'm embarrassed by the amount of women who genuinely

00:04:01.100 fantasize they'll be breeding stock for the elites first to give birth rather than be cast aside as

00:04:07.300 housemaids due to age obesity are generally unattractive qualities or illness in this fantasy

00:04:13.120 they're all highly coveted by men powerful men they're even more valuable than the men's wives

00:04:19.180 of course this isn't happening however it's not pc to disturb these fantasies of being ultimately

00:04:24.960 irresistible that society changes completely because everyone else is suddenly less valuable than you

00:04:31.340 it reeks of ego masturbation and breeding kink just like the wildly popular 50 shades which is

00:04:37.540 written at a literal fourth grade reading level it's always a rich and powerful man who is powerless

00:04:43.600 against their attraction to you and it made it to the bestseller list because women couldn't get enough

00:04:48.100 of it there are three movies now despite the story mentioning her being fed alcohol and engaging in

00:04:53.920 activities she didn't consent to and was not warned would take place this is a lark and it's embarrassing

00:05:01.060 and it's completely divorced from reality and it's so obvious to many of us that it keeps us from

00:05:06.560 taking you seriously and i think that's that's really sex negative and shaming like oh gosh so it's so

00:05:13.840 unreasonable to wish that you were desired it's so unreasonable to wish that you were valued by

00:05:19.120 society like i mean we can make fun of this like fetish but like it's a it's a real thing but i think that

00:05:27.020 whenever you have a narrative and i would note that i actually don't think the book and i think that

00:05:31.200 this is why the book wasn't as popular at this recent revival in a tv series and larp it didn't

00:05:36.440 sexualize the sex scenes that much whereas the tv series did like the men in the show like the colonel

00:05:43.860 there's a lot of women talking about how hot they found these guys and we can go over those posts but

00:05:48.520 oh my god really oh no oh no yeah i i and i and i know that rubiard was the one who turned me on to

00:05:55.400 this because he was pointing out look whenever you see something that is predominantly female

00:05:59.800 the fandom it involves women being disempowered but obsessed over by powerful men especially if

00:06:10.360 they are forced to be pleasured by that man in front of other high valued women who have to look on with

00:06:17.060 jealousy while this may not be your fantasy simone it is the one of the dominant female fantasies

00:06:24.560 well that's what i'm saying that's why i don't think it it definitely is not my thing so it's

00:06:28.580 it's hard for me to understand but i don't i i see the logic behind it i see why evolutionarily

00:06:33.900 speaking this would likely be a turn on for many women and i don't think it should be shamed but i

00:06:38.800 also think that people who are i think the problem is that a lot of people who actually hold this fetish

00:06:44.020 and are like cosplaying in handmaid's tale stuff and like trying to argue that they're obsessed

00:06:51.460 with gilead because it's cautionary tale and they're protesting around it because they want

00:06:56.040 to warn people and they don't want it like they don't want it to happen but like they're really

00:07:00.160 leaning into it because there's this very subconscious fetish but very strong hold on i love this one so

00:07:07.360 lol atwood's movie and this is in our politics basically summed up as quote oh my god the patriarchy

00:07:14.040 is so bad i'm gonna escape and get revenge oh my god i sure hope a powerful rich man doesn't catch

00:07:21.360 me in making their breeding slave pant pant okay so i'll just go over a few like memes before we get

00:07:26.980 to the actual statistics on this here is a picture of this is posted regularly in one of the subreddits

00:07:33.500 no spoiler the handmaid's tale role play on discord be a wife a handmaid a martha etc etc so this is for

00:07:40.680 women who like to role play as handmaids on discord and then here it's oh my god i saw a fanfic where

00:07:48.360 june becomes nick's handmaid and it was played out like some kind of romantic and kinky thing and i was

00:07:54.560 all like oh my god what are you doing or here's somebody saying nick does anyone else find nick

00:08:00.020 insanely hot like everything about him nick can get it and then here's one is anybody else oddly and

00:08:07.040 overwhelmingly attracted to commander lawrence and then here is the response within that that are

00:08:12.480 getting lots of upvotes like 157 upvotes way more than i should and then another person says i'm a

00:08:18.660 simp for him and i hate myself for it and then here's one this is the the quote-unquote bad guy

00:08:23.600 commander downvote that's like crazy but fred is sexy before you down and by the way this person got a

00:08:29.180 lot of upvotes before you downvote me i almost feel after watching half of season one so far i'm

00:08:34.660 simultaneously attracted to and repulsed by fred i'm trying to analyze why i feel this way and i

00:08:40.200 wonder if it's because they made his character younger and semi-attractive anyone else have these

00:08:45.520 thoughts even in fleeting is it because i'm stockholmed getting so deeply connected to this

00:08:52.380 story and wanting to think about what my own coping mechanism would be when i'm in this situation

00:08:57.420 so she's imagining herself in this situation and getting connected or here's one i hate fred but

00:09:03.600 he was so fucking hot in this episode especially after luke punched him josephina can't hide his

00:09:10.120 attractiveness i'm in in the comments he's hot af and people wonder why serena would bang him

00:09:16.200 last night at the farmhouse and i want to go over the data because i think the data will really

00:09:22.200 surprise people like if you're into sexuality stuff you know this data right if you are not into

00:09:28.600 sexuality stuff you are going to be shocked by this data so this is a chart that ayla made about

00:09:35.960 fetishes and the fetishes that are disproportionately female in nature versus disproportionately male in

00:09:43.060 nature okay so let's do the top five male fetishes first all right clothing role slash role play

00:09:53.520 other slash exhibitionism gender play and incest okay oh my gosh so like actually what's really

00:10:05.940 funny is that i've watched a lot of i've watched a lot of youtube videos sort of doing a breakdown of

00:10:10.840 like this is how margaret atwood did like a best hits of fascism like she used this and from this

00:10:17.520 country but like she's also kind of doing the top hits of female fetishes but yeah we're going to do

00:10:23.460 the female hold on hold on we're going to do female fetishes i just said but the point i'm making

00:10:26.540 is not one of the top male fetishes it demeans women hurts women anything like that that is not

00:10:33.900 what men are into okay at least disproportionately when compared with females now let's see the fetishes

00:10:39.420 that are overrepresented in females the top female fetishes number one the top disproportionate

00:10:45.360 female fetish for cis females receiving pain number two light bondage number three power dynamics number

00:10:54.780 four medium bondage number five sex toys number six sadomasochism you want to get to the first pleasant

00:11:05.600 one number seven gentleness but then number eight is non-consent

00:11:10.820 okay not not that is what women are into yeah okay i'm not saying jump this on women we're going

00:11:21.240 to get to why you don't want to jump this on women in a second no no no no and again this comes back to

00:11:25.460 the beginning of it where for everything that's turned on for some people it's a huge turn off to

00:11:30.500 other people well and there's also a huge funny thing which is the types of stuff like role play

00:11:37.200 that's banned in like ais and the types of images and porn that is banned like in the uk you can't

00:11:44.600 have porn where it looks like anyone is being injured in any way even if it's consensual even if

00:11:49.160 it's a cartoon this is a porn disproportionately consumed by women and i should note here when i say

00:11:56.340 porn disproportionately consumed by women we're going to get to something if people be like oh

00:11:59.500 well very few women consume porn so you know it's only the kinky women and then it's like

00:12:04.840 uh-oh it appears you also don't know the statistic you see it turns out that while 93 percent of men

00:12:13.180 consume pornography if you include erotic written material 80 percent of women consume it once a

00:12:20.080 month so it's not that the vast minority of women consume erotic material it's that you don't know

00:12:27.580 that the vast majority of women consume erotic material because you are looking at studies from

00:12:30.900 the 80s don't realize it include romance novels and erotic fan fiction yeah in the types of things

00:12:35.380 that women used to get themselves off uh but actually the vast majority of women and not that big of

00:12:40.340 a difference than men consume some form of erotic material monthly yeah yep yep yep um

00:12:47.540 so we're gonna go to the next list okay okay so this list is what percent of the porn erotica you

00:12:54.820 consume violent okay no and this is asking women and men or just women women and men cis men cis women

00:13:02.360 okay it is overwhelmingly a female thing if you go to all of it almost no men that falls into their

00:13:11.540 categories if you go to most of it over 10 percent of women under five percent of men if you go to a

00:13:17.040 moderate amount way more women than men if you go to a little bit way more men than women and if you

00:13:22.280 go to none of it way more men than women in fact you might be surprised of this in terms of the

00:13:27.640 erotica you consume none of it being violent only around like 26 percent of women consume no violent

00:13:34.820 erotica wow yeah and i think it pushes a lot of different buttons so even if the like let's say

00:13:44.280 your average female isn't into herself being hurt violence is still kind of a sign of male physical

00:13:52.660 fitness and prowess you know like it takes a lot yeah but that's not what they're consuming it's not

00:13:57.800 men fighting each other that they're consuming yeah just being violent against women yes oh boy okay

00:14:04.920 i'm i'm really trying to look you are trying i know you're trying look i'm gonna put it this way

00:14:10.420 louise perry's particular sexual interest for complete non like this none of it category it is

00:14:17.980 so rare that it is as rare as some fairly mainstream fetishes like foot fetishes and something like that

00:14:25.180 so only around 27 percent of women consume no violent pornography at all in terms of people who

00:14:31.900 have a fetish for a specific body part around 33 percent of males and 30 percent of females have one of

00:14:38.660 these fetishes and of those 47 percent have a preference for feet which made it the most common

00:14:44.980 of the specific body part fetishes so her unique predilection while more common in the general

00:14:50.600 population than foot fetishes is actually less common in the general population than a generic body

00:14:55.620 part fetish at even even within females at 30 percent for body part fetish and 27 percent for no

00:15:02.780 violence as a woman who says no violence against women in any of the erotic material i consume

00:15:09.140 it's basically outing herself as a female equivalent of a foot fetishist she just doesn't realize it and

00:15:16.560 again we actually love louise perry i love her work i think she's a great person i like talking to her

00:15:21.740 she's fantastic all that said this is a point that she makes pretty frequently and so it's one that i

00:15:29.020 need to counter here which is no it's you're actually weird if you're a woman and not turned

00:15:35.780 on by violence that is not usual that falls in the category of fetish not of normal female sexuality

00:15:43.500 within our society today now i'm not saying that that's a good thing i'm not saying that this is the

00:15:47.720 way humans should be programmed i'm not saying that for example do i get aroused when i see uh attractive

00:15:53.880 people who aren't my wife sometimes yes i do that is bad it is bad that my body works that way

00:15:59.560 but it happens all right and i think that if we pretend like parts of our arousal patterns don't

00:16:05.960 exist just because it is inconvenient that they exist you could end up really messing up kids with

00:16:12.200 that because then they assume that something that is actually quite normal about them is weird or

00:16:17.080 deviant and those things can be used by other communities to manipulate them oh a great example

00:16:24.340 of this when i was younger one of the core ways i would get girls to sleep with me is i'd be like oh

00:16:30.500 you know i have this this horrible deviant fetish around vampires if i'd seen them carrying around like

00:16:37.960 a vampire book like a twilight book or something well in my generation with the twilight it was ann rice

00:16:42.240 but anyway the point being is that these girls would be like oh you're into this thing that i was

00:16:48.460 ashamed for being into and i assumed that this was some incredibly rare like fetish or something like

00:16:54.120 that when it was not it was like the mainstream thing that girls were into but they had been convinced

00:16:59.920 by mainstream society that it was deviant which gave me an opportunity to open up conversations about

00:17:07.640 sex with them in a way that didn't seem like i was talking to them about me having sex with them i

00:17:13.760 was talking to them about their sexuality and my own sexuality more broadly but in a way that was

00:17:20.020 very predictable for me because i knew the statistics around female sexuality back then i don't even think

00:17:24.840 that these parts of the statistics were publicly known it was more just that i had done enough polling

00:17:28.920 on online environments that i had intuited that this was the case and so people can use that like if i send

00:17:35.600 my daughter out there thinking oh if i have these types of arousal patterns i am a deviant then people

00:17:41.860 can utilize that to say hey you you're a sexual deviant like i'm a sexual deviant why don't you come

00:17:47.220 to our sexual deviant club where we do sexual deviant stuff instead of oh no i'm aware that this is a

00:17:53.860 normal arousal pattern and one that i would prefer not to indulge in in the same way that like i'm aware

00:17:58.580 that women other than my wife may turn me on and i'm not going to aggressively indulge in that yeah it is

00:18:04.800 this very very strong minority of women and men that speak up against extremely pervasive turn-ons

00:18:12.420 for people that kind of ruins the discourse and causes so much trouble so much trouble

00:18:20.240 like what do you mean by that i mean that again we're looking at all these people and i watch them

00:18:26.880 like the youtubers of protesters who are using gilead and handmaid's tale like they're discussing it a ton

00:18:32.460 and it it just it's so clear that they're into it for reasons they're not willing to admit themselves

00:18:38.900 to themselves yeah and i just i wish like it makes me sad because these are people who are probably

00:18:44.720 pretty sexually unrealized you know like they're just not willing to like be open to what actually

00:18:50.400 turns them on and so the the closest they can get to sexual gratification is like moralizing on

00:18:57.340 youtube about how close we are to like having gilead as being our reality meanwhile they're like

00:19:03.860 they're leaning into this concept and this doomerism because they're secretly like realizing that it

00:19:10.200 feels good it's kind of like people like young kids like girls who like ride a certain type of

00:19:14.820 bicycle seat and they're like oh wow like this feels really good and then they're like

00:19:18.500 yeah i mean like you know like they don't realize they're masturbating but they're masturbating

00:19:24.380 and that the problem though is that they're leaning in to a very doomerous and like unhappy culture of

00:19:31.100 like in order to sexually gratify themselves they have to also believe the world is ending and it's

00:19:36.840 making them depressed and it's making them um not optimistic about the future like it's preventing

00:19:41.840 them from feeling like they are safe in their society and so that that's bad like if they could just

00:19:48.060 admit that like these weird things turn me on them they could like they could they could find a way

00:19:52.420 to exercise that in their sex lives or with the the romance novels that they read and instead

00:19:58.080 engage in a reality that is closer to reality and that is a lot more optimistic does that make sense

00:20:03.680 i want to hear talk about just the gilead scene because i want to go over this and we'll play a little

00:20:09.320 checklist game okay simone we're going to go over the the classic gilead scene for people who don't know

00:20:14.840 it is the guy's wife is like under her or something or on top of her and then he's having i think it's

00:20:21.520 supposed to be so this is like a a mating ritual and families that have a handmaid in them where you

00:20:27.700 have an infertile wife who's of higher status who's technically married to the husband and then you have

00:20:32.560 the handmaid who is actually being sort of the surrogate mother in this case a fertile woman who is

00:20:37.980 essentially a slave in gilead society who is actually the one engaged in reproductive sex

00:20:43.640 so what happens is the handmaid lays her head in the lap of the wife who's sitting on the bed

00:20:48.320 the husband has sex with the handmaid um i think while making eye contact with the wife or something

00:20:53.620 and the handmaid's just kind of staring off into the distance it's based on like a biblical story

00:20:57.520 like this like gilead's supposed to be based on some weird interpretation of the bible that they

00:21:01.520 never talk about jesus and so that's what it's supposed to be it's just like this this perversion

00:21:07.280 of a biblical story of surrogacy essentially and that's what hold on i want you to keep this scene

00:21:15.660 in mind we are going to go over the top eight female fetishes disproportionately female fetishes okay

00:21:21.280 and then the top eight disproportionately male fetishes okay so first we'll do the male fetishes and

00:21:25.980 we're going to ask which of those this scene satisfies oh and like none because like male sexual

00:21:31.060 like the number one and i think this is important because you can't just like rank them and be like

00:21:34.660 oh these are kind of equal but in like step down proportion the top top thing that seems to turn

00:21:39.480 men on and this is pervasive throughout most porn is very very enthusiastic female partners or male

00:21:43.960 partners but like very enthusiastic partners so the top ones are closing no not there roles role play

00:21:52.120 not really not in a traditional context uh others being exhibitionists yes it gets one there

00:21:57.680 exhibitionism gender play no incest no mental alteration no bodily secretions no being a voyeur

00:22:07.600 yes so two in male and they're both related to like voyeur exhibitionism stuff okay okay now for

00:22:15.100 disproportionately female fetishes let's go over the top eight okay receiving pain kind of yeah no for

00:22:22.780 both women this is not a pleasant procedure light bondage power dynamics medium bondage sex toys no

00:22:32.160 sadomasochism yes well yeah and so yeah power dynamics check light bondage kind of well i mean yeah

00:22:38.860 because like technically they're slaves and i think the wife is holding the arms of the not not great

00:22:42.800 yeah i mean clearly this is a this is a woman friendly collect the whole set um well but i guess we also

00:22:50.360 have to caveat caveat that which turns you on is not that which you morally condone so just because

00:22:56.280 this is like a top hits of women female turn-ons does not mean that women want this to happen

00:23:00.920 or would morally support such such actions which again that's the important thing it's just because

00:23:07.020 you want you want it to happen in a second but i also want to get to an interesting thing here which

00:23:10.900 is age of onset so which fetishes appear in males early on and which fetishes appear disproportionately

00:23:19.060 in females early on okay interesting okay this i find really interesting so the top ones in males are

00:23:25.240 are multi-party clothing vore voyeur exhibitionism roles and that's the top five for me clothing what

00:23:33.960 what is clothing i'm not familiar with clothing is this clothing means cross-dressing oh okay okay

00:23:41.140 next sorry it bothers me that people don't realize how much of a cis man fetish that is

00:23:46.580 yeah the vast majority they used to like i think like up until 1995 that was like the pervasive

00:23:51.760 understanding so anyway all right so for women it goes brutality non-consent objects humiliation

00:24:02.320 bondage power dynamics again again yeah okay sorry okay non-consent interest scores this is really

00:24:13.780 interesting men versus women i'll just put this on age and you can take what you want from this

00:24:17.460 no this is actually really interesting prevalence of men into dominance versus women into submission

00:24:24.000 all right so you see cis men dom cis woman submission you actually see a pretty good match between these

00:24:32.600 two groups from very into moderately into slightly into neutral slightly into moderately into but where it

00:24:40.300 diverges really heavily is very into this yes yes i remember this graph from heretic on where it's

00:24:46.780 like women are like yes and men are like yeah over 40 percent of women are very into dominance and

00:24:52.080 submission yes and as we argue in the fragmentist guide to sexuality if sexuality meters were developed

00:24:58.760 by women instead of as males do it's viewed as predominantly an attraction to males or females the

00:25:04.720 question would be are you predominantly attracted to submission or dominance because women are more

00:25:08.920 aroused along that line and that spectrum than they are by the gender spectrum which i think surprises

00:25:14.880 a lot of people but it makes sense if you've slept around a lot like as a guy who slept around a lot

00:25:19.200 like this is just like very this checks out and is one reason why it was so easy to sleep around a lot

00:25:25.380 as a male dom because there's just not enough of them especially willing to act that way in any with any sort of

00:25:31.200 public confidence and here i would note if you're looking at this graph this is a perfect example of an arbitrage

00:25:38.940 opportunity where there is not enough supply for the demand on the market there is not enough supply of males

00:25:47.840 who are into dominant play as there is a demand for males that are into dominant play and so if you can provide that

00:25:56.920 well and signal that that's what you provide well you are going to get within sexual marketplaces

00:26:02.880 a huge payoff one of the big problems here is that men don't understand what women want when they want

00:26:13.700 dominant males they think that they are going to learn this from somebody like andrew tate instead of from

00:26:20.780 experimentation and reading the types of content that women read to get off if there's a popular book

00:26:28.540 like a 50 shades of gray or uh twilight you can look at those books look at the fan fictions i'd actually

00:26:35.620 say the fan fictions are even more useful than the books themselves and look at the discourse around

00:26:40.180 what makes one fan fiction good versus another fan fiction and through that you can see the way women

00:26:46.160 actually relate to arousal around this stuff and capitalize off of that these charts look at the

00:26:53.480 average preference versus non-preference so you can see when something is like uh disproportionately like

00:27:02.060 really fun for some people or or like middling like most people have about the same opinion of this

00:27:06.640 right a guy is aware in calculating during sex uh women have a slight preference for this but like the

00:27:14.980 the amount of women who don't like this by negative one is just a little less than the amount of women

00:27:20.100 who do like this by positive one okay and the amount of people who like it negative three and positive three

00:27:24.920 not that different bows pretty low guy ejaculates after 20 to 30 minutes of penetration

00:27:29.880 leaning towards preference guy asks for feedback after sex basically as a guy you never have to worry about

00:27:37.380 doing this only a very small percent of women are negative or against this and you can see this on the screen

00:27:44.620 guy tries to insert his penis despite being soft almost no woman is going to like this do not be

00:27:50.940 interested do not attempt to do this as a guy okay but now we're going to look at the things that have

00:27:55.760 extremes on both sides very few people are medium in this or very few women are medium on this okay

00:28:02.320 so degradation all right yes if you are a woman you are more likely than not to like degradation

00:28:11.000 but if you don't like degradation you are going to hate it okay choking yes the vast majority of women

00:28:20.480 really like choking you can see this in this graph the vast majority of women really like choking

00:28:24.400 but of the women who don't like it they hate it good girl being called a good girl

00:28:31.820 vast majority of women love this the minority hate it there's not like a middling perspective on this

00:28:40.660 sadism or being the subject of sadism yes most women like this the people who don't hate it

00:28:48.340 and i think that that's like i don't know like i'm like yeah that checks out was my experience

00:28:55.580 make sure you know if they are actually into this stuff or not

00:28:59.380 what are your thoughts i will also emphasize that this really makes it clear why some people

00:29:10.880 are so vehemently like everyone hates this this is terrible women are being coerced into this

00:29:16.100 because it's very hard for the average person to model someone else especially when they themselves

00:29:22.160 feel so strongly in this experience so i also think that it's something that like women especially if

00:29:28.480 they've had multiple partners and their male partners have had experience with other women

00:29:32.820 and are trying to please them like on average those male partners are going to be like well she's

00:29:36.860 probably like more likely than not she's going to be into choking chokes and like the girl's like oh

00:29:41.440 my god dramatic experience and suddenly then they have to like you know shout yeah ask somebody who

00:29:46.220 slept with a lot of women the vast majority of women are into choking um yes there are some who are

00:29:51.360 really against it and it's important to check that but the vast majority of women are into this and it is

00:29:56.340 women requesting it not men wanting to do it as you can see from the charts as you can see from the

00:30:01.920 literature as you can see from the porn let me put it this way i you know in writing the sexuality book

00:30:07.600 read a lot of fan fictions read a lot of romance novels stuff targeted at women male like porn if you

00:30:15.060 look at like hentai or something like that choking is just not common at all it's an incredibly rare

00:30:21.540 fetish in the types of porn the vast majority of male targeted porn i see is women being like

00:30:27.360 ecstatically pleased they're very happy they're so happy and then like the female porn that i see

00:30:34.340 in like a brainwashed way or eager but eager nonetheless but you know but they're they're

00:30:40.240 enjoying it that's that's what i see and then like a female it's it's either like all about being

00:30:44.920 physically pleasured or it's about like a more coercive power distance kind of scenario

00:30:50.260 yeah and i think that there is a and i think that people who feel this really strongly don't know how

00:30:58.380 foolish they look when they go out and say that like this is what women want like when a woman goes

00:31:04.400 up and is like well women don't want this they're only doing it to prove men the impress men and like

00:31:09.520 80 percent of the female audience is like like they know they need to stay quiet about it but like

00:31:14.500 the level to which we're rolling our eyes and being like you are just very sexually inexperienced and

00:31:19.680 don't know what you're talking about and apparently haven't had an honest conversation about sexuality

00:31:24.020 with your friends in the last 50 years yeah it's not a good look and but but it's hard to know that

00:31:28.340 because we aren't having this conversation which is why they don't ask their friends they don't ask

00:31:32.140 their friends hey do you actually like choking because their friends know from the shit they're saying

00:31:36.980 in public that they're going to get shamed for saying that but i think it's interesting that

00:31:41.180 this sexual fantasy that seems to dominate within progressive female circles has become so dominant

00:31:48.600 within the way that they're like acting out that they're basically doing these like lark sex parties

00:31:53.480 where they all dress up like gilead women and they're going home and rubbing one out to this

00:31:58.440 and they think that no one else at the party is doing that well i just to be clear like i don't i think

00:32:05.280 that the the vast majority of the female sexual experience does not actually involve masturbation

00:32:10.040 it involves a scenario fantasies imagination and that is why this this this project 2025 they're gonna

00:32:19.300 turn the world into gilead is like that is that is that is the act of of masturbation it is not

00:32:25.780 actually like necessarily this thing where they go and like jack off to it but they they're just

00:32:31.320 they're literally doing it while they're talking to you about it and that's what's so gross about it

00:32:36.500 is like when your progressive friend is like oh i need to get a you know hysterectomy because and

00:32:42.780 they're like literally masturbating they're literally getting turned on by yes they're they're you're

00:32:47.820 using this conversation to get off but the sad thing what makes it even worse is they don't even

00:32:52.660 realize it and and that's what makes it embarrassing it's like the horse girl who doesn't realize why she's

00:32:57.540 doing this she's like and that's that's the thing that i think we should be calling them out on more

00:33:03.220 frequently is like stop masturbating in public just when they're yeah like it's like please stop yeah

00:33:08.920 like can please do this get a room get a room yeah like it goes to us we don't like watching you

00:33:14.760 masturbate in public obviously trump isn't going to do this you know like every sane person knows so

00:33:19.660 what is this this is a sexual role play for you and i don't want to be a part of your sexual role play

00:33:25.720 in the online space if you want a guy to like partner with you on this i'm sure you can find

00:33:32.380 one but don't here's a way to put it here's a way to put if you don't support that random dude

00:33:38.440 like masturbating while making eye contact with you on a subway don't talk to me about gillian

00:33:43.820 that's it because it's the same thing and yeah don't go dressed up like this like it's okay for

00:33:49.580 you to do that then it's okay for that dude to masturbate while looking at you on a subway like

00:33:53.940 that's just just how it is you know yeah don't talk about how men are going to force you to carry

00:33:57.900 kids and i'll say here you know one of the things that i had i had written down here where they were

00:34:02.660 talking about oh no this is this is totally uh legitimate they were doing a quote by margaret

00:34:07.980 singer you know famous kkk also found a plain parenthood who said quote who wanted to genetically

00:34:13.640 purify the american ethnic group and remove black people and there would 25 less black people than

00:34:20.300 there would be if she hadn't lived due to all the abortion even 83 of her clinics are still in

00:34:25.160 their communities these days but anyway so she said because they talked about this as like their

00:34:29.820 great hero so racist on the left quote no woman can call herself free who does not control her own

00:34:35.980 body end quote and they're like yeah but so like

00:34:38.560 isn't this true like if a woman can't get a late stage abortion and we should be clear here because a lot

00:34:47.260 of progressives don't realize this that that abortions up until birth are still legal in parts

00:34:53.020 of the united states like things that are very obviously humans that have full neural development

00:35:00.120 legal and and also not even like these these unborn children are not given pain management

00:35:05.680 well they're they got it if she got a c-section the kid would be able to live very easily but they're

00:35:11.620 just like no if it's still in her she has the right to kill it and this is very much like

00:35:15.840 wait maybe maybe i don't have the right to kill my mom no she's my mom i can do whatever i want

00:35:23.960 with her it's more important i live the way i want she isn't an object you can own she's a human

00:35:28.700 being maybe all these changes are good for me maybe the world doesn't revolve around me maybe the

00:35:38.820 world doesn't revolve around me

00:35:40.820 you know like i this is this is no longer an issue where you can pretend like you're the victim

00:35:55.820 you are now using what is very obviously another human being to masturbate in a way that is really

00:36:04.780 messed up when you do this or potential human being to masturbate when you go off on this stuff

00:36:09.940 publicly and i think that i do love the masturbation response i think that that needs to be used more

00:36:16.120 aggressively publicly because i think that it would cause if it catches on which i can totally see it

00:36:21.580 catching on because a lot of progressives to back off of these fantasies pretty quickly when they're

00:36:26.920 like oh well i'm gonna be forcibly bred and forcibly impregnated and it'll be just like gilead

00:36:33.840 and you respond with please don't masturbate and please stop masturbating in public platforms this is

00:36:39.400 disgusting if you want to do this privately i won't shame you but don't include us in your sexual

00:36:44.300 fantasies and if they're like no this is real this is happening to us and i'm like do you are do you

00:36:51.460 honestly believe that are you willing to bet that this is going to start happening to women

00:36:55.000 because i'm here willing to bet my pride that women are not going to be forcibly bred in the

00:36:59.520 united states anytime soon so if i'm saying this then what are you saying

00:37:06.080 it's a fantasy

00:37:09.240 so do you want to go over other fun stats from a list stuff or do you want to end this

00:37:17.180 let's look at other statistics here that can be pretty fun okay yeah sure so this is a question that

00:37:23.180 ayla asked which is if a woman in my social circle were open slash not open to casual sex

00:37:29.000 this would have a what effect on her reputation damage neutral or boost um so not open to casual

00:37:38.280 sex versus open to casual sex open to casual sex is red not open to casual sex is negative

00:37:42.800 so not open to casual sex is more likely to boost her reputation whereas open to casual sex is more

00:37:50.740 likely to hurt her reputation and keep in mind this is among the type of people that ayla sex

00:37:55.580 researcher samples um yeah but also like that's not terribly surprising everyone kind of gets that

00:38:03.160 here's that right maybe uh here's here's a a fun one body count if people have been to a sex party

00:38:10.320 people haven't been to a sex party okay okay so people who have been to a sex party among a list

00:38:15.200 followers it's 25 is the average body count for people who've been to a sex party that seems

00:38:20.560 surprisingly low given my body count um well remember sex parties are there's a lot of logistics

00:38:26.240 it's complicated there's not that many people there you can't bang that many people in one night a lot

00:38:31.560 of people go to sex parties and don't have sex with anyone so that doesn't um yeah okay for for not

00:38:39.200 at her stuff this is like it looks like about like 17 16 average yeah this is a this is who have been

00:38:47.960 to a sex party and not a-list followers oh this is a positively if if that's what we use for our

00:38:54.700 surveys if you have not been to a sex party and you are one of a-list followers you're at like a

00:39:00.640 seven body count if you're not you're at like a six body count so very similar that seems like a lot

00:39:06.600 does that seem like a lot to you six is average yeah but that seems like a lot well i think it's

00:39:13.920 it's it's messed up by people like me like i haven't been to a sex party yeah but yeah yeah so

00:39:18.780 there must be outliers that really throw off the averages that that's fair i would look at the median

00:39:24.100 in terms of body count my body count is actually i can't remember exactly so i'm not going to give

00:39:29.180 anything away but i think it's like only 4x less than ayla's which is kind of shocking to me

00:39:36.460 yeah whenever you you've been at an event where ayla has done a lineup of body count like where the

00:39:42.820 participants in the event are encouraged to line up by body count so you can just kind of physically

00:39:48.140 see the distribution malcolm is always at the end um no for cis males i'm at the end

00:39:54.420 no no no you're you're at the end you're at the end for all people but you are often

00:40:01.420 the very very top for men who only bang women most of the men who are at the top of the body count are

00:40:11.880 at least bi which makes a lot of sense that's because they didn't treat it like a job like i did

00:40:17.660 you know how i am but also like it was kids i'm like i'm not the most kid we're gonna factory

00:40:22.360 produce this this is gonna be it's a lot easier to have a lot of sex when you're you're allowed to

00:40:28.520 also have sex with men than like have a high volume towards that when people are like

00:40:33.760 oh this seems ridiculous it's like do you see my attitude or i'm like i'm gonna start a podcast

00:40:38.900 and i'm gonna do it every day fully edited for an hour is it any surprise that his body count is high

00:40:45.160 yeah seriously i'm gonna have kids i'm gonna have the most kids in the world we're gonna do a year

00:40:49.900 yeah yeah it's zero or a hundred zero or a hundred it's the only two ways i do things

00:40:57.600 yeah for people who don't maybe understand how insane it is that we do one podcast fully edited

00:41:04.260 every single week day i would ask you to search your memory and see if a single other podcast

00:41:11.640 producer or content producer you know of does one fully edited podcast every single week day

00:41:20.300 without missing a single day ever we haven't missed a single day since we started doing five days a week

00:41:27.580 and then remember that i am doing this without a team and that we have day jobs and that we also

00:41:36.460 run a non-profit and that we also have four children we didn't take days off when simone was giving birth

00:41:42.040 to our kids we didn't take days off at christmas we didn't take days off at holidays we didn't take

00:41:47.500 days off when everyone at the family was sick and i'd also note here do not accidentally compare

00:41:52.780 a fully edited two-person podcast with a non-edited one-person podcast not that those aren't impressive

00:42:01.280 in their own way but something like as mcgold doing an episode every day or a streamer doing

00:42:05.320 an episode every day that isn't even remotely comparable to a fully edited podcast this is which

00:42:11.660 i think shows like how absolutely all in i go whenever i'm trying to do one thing whether it's

00:42:18.080 the number of kids i'm having or deciding when i was younger oh what makes me up and this was really

00:42:24.140 the entire reason i did it i was like in high school oh what's the status hierarchy here how is it

00:42:29.940 determined how good you are at being a guy oh it appears to be how many attractive people you sleep

00:42:35.060 with so i'm gonna max that out which was very stupid of me i i can say that in hindsight but i can

00:42:42.400 also understand given the dynamics at high schools in america even today why an even intelligent person

00:42:50.700 might come to believe something like that now this is a fun one that she did where it looks at the body

00:42:56.040 count of women by their political leaning oh yes this is great and you can see it's really really

00:43:03.560 clear the more economically right you are the higher your body count and the more socially left you are

00:43:09.040 the higher your body count but yeah so libertarians right is more predictive of a high body count

00:43:15.080 than being socially left yeah yeah so if you want to talk about the second highest body count almost the

00:43:24.340 highest so it's 5.2 versus 5.3 the second highest is just one down on the grid sociality so slightly

00:43:35.060 left leaning but very right leaning economically that's so funny um sorry i find this even wilder

00:43:42.720 as a woman being socially very conservative so max social conservatism but also max economic

00:43:50.540 conservatism puts you at the exact same average body count as a woman who is socially very liberal

00:43:56.960 but economically very liberal in fact as a woman being socially conservative and economically very

00:44:04.720 conservative puts you at a higher average body count than the most extreme very liberal very liberal

00:44:11.200 social and economic women and across the side of the economic right is much higher than across the

00:44:16.720 side of the social right yeah so libertarian girls if you want easy women that's where it's at yeah

00:44:23.200 if men want more sexually free women they should hang out in libertarian groups because that's where they

00:44:30.880 are or like when you're on a first date with a woman and you're like is she gonna hold out

00:44:35.900 find out her political leanings and i would imagine that like the most and oh i think this shows up in

00:44:42.660 the graph that the most sort of brutish women are like far progressive women right yeah oh remember

00:44:49.060 we've had that theory where i said that women may poly and people can check out our other videos like

00:44:53.580 the raiders versus homesteaders hypothesis which is women may switch to preferring more violent types

00:44:59.280 of sexuality the more partners they have you actually see that in this graph here that i'm showing

00:45:03.940 which is to say if you look at non-consent power dynamic or medium bondage as the number of people a

00:45:11.520 woman sleeps with goes up the more they are into these things which i think is really interesting

00:45:16.780 and the inflection point for rising in these things seems to happen after a body count of around 5.5 i

00:45:26.560 guess i'd say which yeah yeah so once you get over 5.5 these things go way up and once you get over

00:45:34.260 one they go medium up and i think this is because their bodies think that they're sexually basically

00:45:38.320 depressing oh women's body count by polyamory so women who are very poly they have a body count of

00:45:48.340 over 15 women who are very monogamous they have a body count of under five but what's interesting

00:45:54.600 it's a big jump between somewhat poly and very poly somewhat poly it's 11 it is 16 for very poly

00:46:01.560 hmm five just seems like a lot for monogamy too but i guess if people just aren't getting married

00:46:10.840 anymore we shouldn't be surprised

00:46:14.020 because then it's just serial monogamy that never goes anywhere

00:46:19.100 oh here you'd find this interesting the penetrative sex for women graph so the average

00:46:25.980 number of partners of penetrative sex a woman has had is 6.25 or 2 4 6.24 and you see the

00:46:33.820 distribution here was sort of the the long end of the distribution being between 12 and 13

00:46:38.940 oh wow so really not that high to be honest i don't know it's hard for me to imagine

00:46:46.220 i just find everyone but you so repulsive melco like i why do you find me attractive do you found

00:46:56.000 me from the beginning i don't get it yeah you were just sorry what i should say is a lot of people

00:47:02.120 find me attractive i get that yeah i don't get what's unusual is that i haven't also found other

00:47:07.640 people attractive i can't i really can't tell you i can't tell you you're not the only woman who's

00:47:14.040 felt this way by the way oh that is like malco sexual yeah other women have been like for whatever

00:47:20.700 it is it's like uniquely you yeah so do we need a flag for a sexual orientation that just does your

00:47:27.340 face on it because it seems that we do um uh yeah it's caused problems before oh i'm so sorry

00:47:37.040 difficult for you yeah not for me it's emotionally difficult for me knowing that these women

00:47:46.120 basically went crazy and i don't know i should look them up see if they ended up getting married or

00:47:51.340 anything what i am a very diligent person who was looking for a wife who i thought would be

00:47:59.860 a high earner and very dedicated and obsession was me was not enough to earn that status yeah i told

00:48:10.320 you about the one who was just absolutely obsessed with me but she interrupted me on a night when i was

00:48:15.820 working on my stanford business school application and i said this is very important to me i i need to

00:48:20.940 achieve this to achieve the future i want to achieve and she said i will do literally anything you tell

00:48:26.740 me to please please please you know and i was like no i i i can't she's like please and i was like

00:48:32.680 this is this is what would distract a guy this is exactly what would distract a guy and so i locked

00:48:38.080 her out and she ended up banging on my door for half the night very flintstones yeah well

00:48:45.440 you just have that effect on some of us i don't know what to tell you no no i got in big trouble for

00:48:52.480 that because other people said i was abusive for her for locking her out of my my apartment and

00:48:56.680 she didn't live in my apartment she lived on a dorm i i was like go back to your room but they're like

00:49:02.980 how could you not give in i was like i'm working on a fucking application it's important to my future

00:49:07.580 don't you understand you would have never done that simone oh no no no no always be closing so

00:49:15.460 yeah um well i like that aila collects his dad i find it super fascinating he's the best this

00:49:24.620 changes a lot for me because while you might have like through your knowledge of female romance books

00:49:29.820 been like oh yeah of course they're publicly masturbating i thought it was like a joke and now

00:49:35.800 i'm like oh god they are publicly masturbating this is weird and creepy yeah yeah it is it is it is

00:49:43.280 definitely a real thing and now because trump has been elected there's this sort of massive

00:49:50.040 mandate and license that people feel like they have that i'm just seeing it all over the place

00:49:56.920 on youtube now which is really interesting like what oh just just people talking about gilead like i've

00:50:03.760 now seen because every time i see one it may be algo is feeding them to me now because i watch them

00:50:11.200 because i'm like why are people talking about this like why i want to understand why people think this

00:50:16.660 is going to happen and then every time i watch it i'm more like no there's like there's no real reason

00:50:24.420 for them to be talking about this and maybe they can argue that there is because in the project 2025

00:50:30.360 like detailed playbook there were some things where like doctors were supposed to report

00:50:35.200 something about women's fertility and they're just but they're just oh hold on no this was a total lie

00:50:40.980 okay so we need to talk about what this actually was this was that doctors were supposed to report

00:50:46.120 the number of abortions that happened was in their state and they were like oh this is tracking like

00:50:51.120 women whatever excuse me even at tim waltz's state they tracked the number of miscarriages

00:50:55.880 but didn't track the number of abortions why do we track babies that die by accident

00:51:01.080 different than babies that don't yeah okay so yeah again like it just they're really grasping

00:51:06.420 at straws in a way where like i i want to know like if people have legitimate grievances about the

00:51:12.300 new administration but i just haven't seen any yet and that's why i keep watching them but then every

00:51:17.340 time i watch them i'm like oh god i'm watching people masturbate again like no click away this is

00:51:22.320 really annoying because you know i love watching leftist analysis both before and after the election i want

00:51:27.720 to see what they're saying yeah it's frustrating but anyway um what am i gonna make you for dinner

00:51:33.940 since i can't make we have taquito meat i mean i can make more taquitos for you if that's what you want

00:51:38.980 those are so effing good it's one of your best dishes oh well then that's easy i can just do that

00:51:45.400 again in the future i'd get sharper cheddar though but other than that it's amazing it is sharp

00:51:50.360 cheddar but yeah i mean you can get some at trader joe's or something it's like extra sure yeah

00:51:56.700 like extra extra extra watch out i put some usg in it and i put some so i'm trying to think of how

00:52:03.900 they could be made a little bit better we don't have gaucha sauce anymore i've got to get more of

00:52:08.540 that i shouldn't make a note of this what else would go good with it well i'm already late so i gotta

00:52:12.960 i love you love you too you to get on the nice list um i just shared turkey well i just shared

00:52:21.260 with one of my top quick coins and i have one of my top quick coins too so i have quarter and a half

00:52:29.560 protective and me okay and did you gave you offered some to daddy too right yes and where did you learn

00:52:38.620 about the nice list um you know if you'll be on if you'll be nice and kind to everybody then you'll

00:52:46.240 be on the nice list and what happens to people on the nice list um they get presents and if it's on

00:52:53.620 a bad list just to get presents oh do you think you might be on the bad list right now when you're

00:52:59.440 trying to get on the nice list yes i i i already on a good list i'm not gonna be on a bad list but oh no

00:53:08.100 what if you did something naughty i remember you did something naughty two weekends ago two weekends

00:53:13.640 ago how do you know because i was there when you did something naughty you went and played at the

00:53:18.420 arcade with the video games oh sorry but you've done a lot of nice things so it probably doesn't

00:53:24.500 matter now right yes play video games doesn't matter oh gosh hey buddy i'll kiss your hand i'm sorry

00:53:34.740 about that that looks like you hurt yourself quite a bit there here you're a tough boy right

00:53:39.120 yeah i think that so i'm gonna put on this that would look so beautiful

00:53:46.420 it'll look beautiful yeah i think so i know it has the baseballs on it from my goodie bag

00:53:55.000 okay yesterday my back is

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Is the Handmaid's Tale a Lefty Roleplay Fantasy？

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