00:15:06.140So basically savagery and then immature slash irresponsible,
00:15:10.300irrational slash illogical naive slash gullible so immaturity so basically they're rating them
00:15:17.880on savagery versus immaturity okay and now i'm going to share with you oh and also plus a general
00:15:24.120warmth and evolvedness so let me share with you how they rated out group images here
00:15:30.980and then we'll go over the findings after this for study two they did the same thing but basically
00:15:39.200asking participants to model how the out group would view them so they'd ask how do how do you
00:15:45.100think conservatives see you if you're liberal or how do you think that that liberals see you as a
00:15:52.820conservative and so they did that and then they created new composite images and here is are those
00:16:02.940images and you can see they're somewhat interesting this is the same no it's not no so what you're
00:16:09.180looking at now is the conservative and liberal participants met a representation that is to say
00:16:15.540how they think the out the out group that is to say i think you sent me something wrong no that's
00:16:24.020right no it's confusing it that's why i asked for 10 more minutes i was like no the bottom right
00:16:27.880image looks exactly the same that's because that is exactly the same so that's the rep that's the
00:16:32.820original representation of the oh i understand so what you're looking at the bottom row is the
00:16:37.440exact same so you're looking at how conservative participants think liberals see them on the top
00:16:42.080which is actually pretty accurate right they somehow frog monster appears again because
00:16:48.400conservatives know how the outside sees them weirdly the liberal participant doesn't look
00:16:55.820like that sad man whose last scoop of ice cream had been taken it looks like a frog woman actually
00:17:01.540the conservative representation of progressives is so much kinder than what the progressives think
00:17:06.220of them, it's shockingly different. Yeah. Like liberals think that conservatives see them as
00:17:11.080deformed frog woman. Whereas what they really see is a slightly disappointed man who realizes that
00:17:17.560his favorite ice cream flavor is not available. And then, yeah, when you compare, still, when you
00:17:23.200compare their original angry frog man view of conservatives with how they think conservatives
00:17:29.700view them, they're still, they see themselves as more feminine, which is interesting. They assume
00:17:34.320the conservatives just assume all all progressives to be women which is interesting do you notice
00:17:40.860that too how the meta representation that is to say how liberal participants think that they're
00:17:46.100seen by conservatives is basically female they're seen as female and kind of ugly does that make
00:17:52.760sense or just a woman honestly not the prettiest woman but still definitely it's the most female
00:17:58.180appearance whereas actually i would say male conservatives do progressives is just sad men
00:18:03.880which is really funny i just find these images so funny okay so anyway they have which is also
00:18:09.680ironic because conservatives are much happier than progressives on average yeah and actually
00:18:13.740progressives are sad men progressive men are sad men and progressive women are more like
00:18:17.700sad women it's accurate okay very based i mean we always joke that like the traditional value
00:18:24.260system the the sins that are laid out in the bible are like here's a bunch of rules about how to like
00:18:29.320not live a terrible life right like follow these rules and things will don't stick your dick on the
00:18:35.880electrical fence don't be on the electrical fence right please don't and they're immediately like
00:18:40.200i'm gonna i'm gonna electrical fence max my life i'm gonna i'm gonna do whatever that is but times
00:18:46.66010 and when you build a life off of that and this sort of external projection of having an extreme
00:18:54.280external locus of control obviously that's going to psychologically destroy an individual anyone
00:18:58.420with a psychological background could have seen this coming but whatever but whatever that's where
00:19:02.100we are continue anyway so they so what we have now is how conservatives and progressives view
00:19:09.540themselves and how they think outsiders view them great this is good data and it's cool what they
00:19:14.220did with these composite images plus they're really funny looking and then they had a new
00:19:18.460group of raters again evaluate these meta representations again meta representation is
00:19:23.800how they think the other group views them so they had them look at the the meta representation images
00:19:30.000side by side with the real out group images and then they used the same savagery and immaturity
00:19:36.720rating scales plus warmth and evolvedness so that's what they did let's find an evolvedness
00:19:43.580evolvedness yeah just like how yeah how enlightened is this group is this yeah evolvedness
00:19:50.580That's the best way to put it. Look, just let it be. Okay. Core findings. They found asymmetric dehumanization, just as Arctotherium and Cremieux reported. Basically, when a conservative thinks about liberals, their mental images emphasize liberals as immature, irrational, naive, and irresponsible, more than as savage or evil.
00:20:13.380Whereas when liberals think about conservatives, their mental images emphasize conservatives as savage, aggressive, morally lacking, and cold-hearted more than immature or silly.
00:20:26.460But anyway, another really key finding is this out-group over in-group dehumanization.
00:20:31.960Reverse correlation composites of in-group faces are rated as less dehumanizing than out-group faces, both for liberals and conservatives, even after controlling for general warmth.
00:20:42.880And also there are these inaccurate assumptions around intensity of hate, as we saw really played out well in those images.
00:20:48.920But when people imagine how the other side sees them in these meta representations, those images show the same relative pattern.
00:20:57.320Conservatives expect to be seen as savage more than immature and liberals expect to be seen as immature more than savage.
00:21:03.900But liberals overestimate how dehumanized they are, which is super clear from the image, as you saw.
00:21:12.080Well, conservatives underestimate just how dehumanized they are by liberals. And in terms of the discussion of the findings on social media, at Reap the World SL wrote, conservatives believe liberals are just misguided but well-meaning people. Liberal believes conservatives are either retarded scum or evil demons, both of who need to be cleansed from the world to usher in utopia. This is why things are the way they are now.
00:21:38.260To which at James of Bentley responded, yep, I've made this point to people on the left. And instead of it leading to any self-reflection on their part, they usually just double down and say that, yeah, conservatives are just so evil. So alas, these studies don't move the needle.
00:21:53.520and then scott wellman posted this cartoon i'm going to share with you by at government
00:21:58.300is the new religion in which there's a liberal person with a pussy hat and a punch nazi sticker
00:22:06.440saying i hate everything you stand for and want you unalived and then just everyday americans
00:22:12.360being like naive wearing a little i just want a good life for my kids yeah just saying i just
00:22:17.240yeah i just want a good life for my kids they're like playing with a little rocket with their
00:22:21.600propeller hat and i really feel like that um this is where people are pulled to the right right like
00:22:28.220yeah the people who say this and then they get attacked by the left and they find our side
00:22:34.220open and kind to them yeah are much more likely to long-term convert yeah i think that's the key
00:22:40.900is to just yeah maybe increase exposure i think the more exchange and exposure there is the better
00:22:46.260because the big problem is that liberals oh my god wait is this why liberals do this whole
00:22:53.800contagion thing where you can't talk to a conservative because they know that the moment
00:22:58.160someone talks to a conservative and realizes that they're not this frog man that no that is exactly
00:23:04.480why the iterations of progressivism that didn't do that when i've talked about how things evolve
00:23:08.900how cultures evolve yeah i pointed out that the iterations of the urban monoculture that did not
00:23:13.520practice this contagion philosophy ended up dying out because the way that it frames outsiders is
00:23:20.440just obviously and patently wrong when you begin engaging with them which is again why the kindness
00:23:26.580strategy is so strong right if you go out there with the lack of judgment and kindness strategy
00:23:32.940and let's just talk to get to what's better for society long term right um you and this is really
00:23:40.900the strategy to convert one of the things that i think people forget when they go out there was
00:23:44.980this performative racism or this performative homophobia or this performative transphobia
00:23:48.980is they do not understand how much they hurt our movement now i will say these things are
00:23:53.200fairly rare right we had a gay couple who went to the pronatalist convention and one person
00:23:59.560was a dick about it said yeah i don't approve of that or something in a way that was like
00:24:03.920meanish but it was just one person a friend who attended who if they saw anything i'm really
00:24:09.620sorry if yeah no but it's that was one person at the entire pronatalist convention which had like
00:24:15.780500 attendees or something like that i don't know it was thousands actually right no there were not
00:24:20.500there were not thousands okay but the point being is this sort of stuff is fairly rare on the right
00:24:26.920of today and it should be shamed when it is seen because to win somebody over entirely what we need
00:24:36.060which is very different than what a progressive needs to win somebody keep in mind nobody's going
00:24:39.280to switch their entire worldview from urban monoculture to based new right whatever overnight
00:24:45.140you need to have them have a difference of opinion on just one issue that they won't back down on
00:24:53.220if they have that eventually we get them that's how jk rowling right even if she may vote leftist
00:24:59.720today and everything like that in terms of like where she's culturally fighting in a meaningful
00:25:03.020context it is on the right right you just because what the way somebody from an american cultural
00:25:08.700perspective reacts is when they go out there was their one sane opinion and everybody jumps down
00:25:15.360their throat most of them are like whoa now i'm going to double down on this one opinion now i'm
00:25:19.660going to triple down on this one opinion and they get pushed out and then they begin to interact
00:25:24.700with people of our side and they begin to get information they didn't have access to before
00:25:28.400they begin to get perspectives they didn't have access to before and slowly over the course of
00:25:33.380I'd say on average three years, they begin to adopt more and more conservative perspectives
00:25:39.380to the point where you would agree with them on most things. And you might have a minor
00:25:43.340difference of opinion here or a difference of opinion there, but we can only get there
00:25:48.360if we start with the acceptance of, Oh, you have a difference of opinion on us on the let's join
00:25:56.560the conversation. Let's be nice. Let's see. You're willing to talk to me, the person I'm willing to
00:26:00.620talk to you as a person let's move forward but at the same time one of the conversations that
00:26:06.760historically immediately got shot down is does a continued democratic process in the united states
00:26:14.820when one party is acting as such a bad actor makes it that's this study i think really makes
00:26:23.020this more of a serious more of a serious discussion because i think the researchers
00:26:26.920themselves were like, look, this is a problem because it is well understood in the research
00:26:33.060that meta dehumanization, which is to say, like, when you think that the other side hates you,
00:26:40.900predicts reciprocal dehumanization and support for norm breaking and anti-democratic behaviors.
00:26:45.900That is an argument they made in their research. They're basically saying,
00:26:49.700warning, this one group is disproportionately dehumanizing another group and they're going to
00:26:56.040do amoral or even immoral and likely illegal things to try to suppress this group that's
00:27:03.800kind of a big deal no that is a big deal but i point out here if you're a progressive and you're
00:27:08.680like come on what do you mean that once we gain power we never allow conservatives back in the
00:27:13.220room we never allow a conservative opinion again i'm like huh what about the governing body that
00:27:18.340sort of rules the world like the un or the world economic forum how many conservative thinkers
00:27:24.940get a talk at those events, even when conservative powers are in charge within governments like the
00:27:30.120United States and stuff like that. Virtually none. The European Union as well. Virtually
00:27:35.960none. When progressives capture an institution like that, they build their capture in such a way
00:27:43.400that conservative voices cannot meaningfully impact things again. And this is why generally
00:27:50.240as a conservative, the correct strategy when you take over a body is not to try to make a sane or
00:27:56.260conservative version of it, but to shut it down. Whether it's the Department of Education, whether
00:28:00.520it's, what was that, like a U.S. give or whatever? U.S. aid. U.S. aid. Whether it's, I believe this
00:28:07.300also true, the CIA and the FBI, I think both of them should be shut down. I just think from a
00:28:11.660governance design standpoint and our understanding of institutions, I think pretty much every
00:28:15.940institution should have basically term limits unless they're designed to be a time-safe
00:28:22.580organization. And you would know it because it would only have 20 employees 100 years later.
00:28:28.500And if it doesn't, then it's not. Well, look at the German government,
00:28:30.320right? In this last election in Germany, the majority of Germans voted for a conservative
00:28:34.600candidate, either the Conservative Party or the AFD. And yet, despite the majority of Germans,
00:28:40.540like by a pretty large margin, if I remember, voting for a conservative candidate, the German
00:28:45.280governing system cheated essentially they formed a coalition to keep the afd out of power and keep
00:28:51.880a progressive opinion being the dominant opinion and this is just this is the perfect example of
00:28:57.100that of a group that that hypes the meta dehumanization to such an extent that they will
00:29:04.000go against the consent of the governed to circumvent the results of an election
00:29:10.080perfect we saw this in the france recently when the right-wing party was gaining too much power
00:29:16.660so the left-wing party ended up working with the centrist party to not run people against each
00:29:23.280other in the districts where rightist candidates were running so that they could again cheat to
00:29:27.780win and they're like it's not cheating we did it within the system and it's like first of all we
00:29:31.520don't know how much like when the recent la election where there's all that smoke where
00:29:35.800there's been a number of fake ballot situations that have been discovered in texas that have been
00:29:40.200discovered in pennsylvania that have been discovered in a lot of states at this point
00:29:42.860in the united states we basically they always do this when they finally this is why it's so
00:29:48.260existential this is why the perspectives of people like nick fuentes should always be shamed in other
00:29:54.440anyone who identifies as a graper this idea that they would sabotage the conservatives getting the
00:30:00.380vote in the u.s because they want people to have opinions closer to their own rather than be part
00:30:05.780of a wide coalition um shows the damage the long-term damage they can do for what is fundamentally
00:30:14.680because they know they're not going to win the opinions that they're trying to win what it is
00:30:18.700fundamentally status signaling when somebody goes online like a conservative does and they
00:30:22.880act aggressive towards gay people they act aggressive towards trans people they act
00:30:26.000aggressive towards people of different ethnicities or different religions this is never done
00:30:32.000strategically it is always done for status and to look like the most quote-unquote conservative guy
00:30:37.620in the room with your current version of conservatism which hugely retards our long-term
00:30:43.720goals yeah and worse than that can put us in a position where we can never accomplish these
00:30:49.320long-term goals again and as i've noticed i always cite this the people who do this stuff almost
00:30:54.060never actually have above replacement rate kids themselves because they're not actually interested
00:30:58.240in the long-term future of civilization they're not actually interested in us winning they don't
00:31:01.980actually care what could go wrong. They care about how they are perceived by the general public
00:31:08.160and their community and what they consider conservatives or their constituency, which is
00:31:13.420why they act in that way, which is why they fight in a way that is obviously stupid. And people will
00:31:18.560say, oh, Malcolm, if you let these groups in our communities, they'll still vote leftist.
00:31:26.160They'll still, somebody was saying this when I was talking about, oh yeah, it was like immigrant
00:31:29.340populations let them in be nice etc and somebody with the comments was like you can't do that if
00:31:33.800they're all going to keep voting leftists i'm like bro the majority of hispanic men voted for
00:31:37.640trump in the last election cycle the be nice philosophy the be inclusive philosophy works
00:31:43.780actually extremely effectively this yeah i know i like your conclusion a lot more than my original
00:31:49.500one i think if someone's unwilling to engage i think it's fine to be condescending in the good
00:31:54.320How much good has Peter Thiel done for the wider conservative movement in terms of the directionality that he's put us on, the major figures that he's brought into positions of power, and the staffing of the White House, which was done in part through his networks of this administration, which has been so remarkably effective?
00:32:11.260How much good has Scott Pressler done?
00:32:12.880These are both gay individuals, by the way.
00:32:14.320The point being is you don't need to agree with everything and everyone in the coalition.
00:32:18.640over time you can bring them closer and closer to a long-term conservative future but you only
00:32:26.640hurt us when you do this performative gatekeeping and somebody was like oh if you let all the gays
00:32:31.240in our movement then they're gonna undermine us and it's like where have they done that we have
00:32:35.960gays in positions of power throughout our movement and have for two decades at this point and
00:32:41.980honestly they've been some of the most loyal scandalous conservatives in the entire movement
00:32:50.200some of the sweetest like scott bressler like i'm sorry compare him to all your ted cruises or
00:32:57.060whatever right where who do you expect to get some major scandal about right i think that the
00:33:02.220there's this like oh they'll do x and it's but they don't and we have the evidence that they
00:33:06.680don't at this point okay so stop acting like they're these weird leftist sex pests that are
00:33:12.780on the left right like inclusivity is absolutely like i know it's like a scary leftist word to a
00:33:17.880lot of people but it is absolutely critical to win and through being more inclusive as i said
00:33:24.280in a recent episode you can be harsher to the out group because you say to people i'm not after all
00:33:31.180i'm not after all whatever i am after the bad ones right and the bad ones we need to be way
00:33:39.340more extreme in how we handle that yeah that's like the theme of the summer which is punish your
00:33:45.080own bad actors intensely bad actors but outside bad actors too but punish bad actors the bad
00:33:53.320actors and this is where i go further i don't even i think the theme is expel the outsider back bad
00:34:00.740actors i guess expel your own bad actors but yeah don't ignore your own bad actors and spilling
00:34:06.260matters more than punishment i want to be super clear about that it's more important it's like
00:34:10.880that portal song i used to want you dead and now i only want you gone okay it's just wants to live
00:34:16.760by but i think that it's really important that you remember how hated we are by the other side
00:34:24.180in how we think about what future power structures look and the direction we want to go oh i know i'm
00:34:31.660just gonna picture the frog man like our fabs getting to a place where it might become a real
00:34:37.860meaningful ai company if we're looking at our existing numbers right now right like
00:34:41.700i really hope so what that means if we become one of the major ai companies chatbot sites ai
00:34:47.360whatever the various features we ai search ai chat ai etc how baller would that be
00:34:53.100run by a non-profit that just wants to make the world better no investors no control like just
00:35:00.300gets to mess around with the world huh gets to mess around as well no but as we that means in
00:35:06.200terms of how we let in leftists in terms of our corporate structure and everything like that it's
00:35:09.520not just at the level of like the government of the united states it's we need to use the
00:35:14.600structures that we have under us as a wrecking ball against what they are hitting us with
00:35:20.380yeah and i'd also note like this is not the only study to to find this i want to go over a couple
00:35:27.360other studies here the 2012 pls one paper the moral stereotypes of liberals and conservatives
00:35:33.160tested how accurately people oh is this the one that you just did no it's not it was no because
00:35:39.180this one came out in july 2026 yeah stereotypes correctly captured the direction of real
00:35:44.320differences but exaggerated their size liberals were the least accurate overall especially they
00:35:50.320underestimated conservatives concern for harm and fairness a large underestimation and overestimated
00:35:56.600how much conservatives cared about their binding foundations conservatives were significantly more
00:36:02.000accurate and asymmetry liberals and democrats consistently showed less empathy towards
00:36:07.360conservative republicans than the reverse and essentially what we're saying here is this is a
00:36:14.660good thing we shouldn't stop this we shouldn't say this is our weakness another similar study
00:36:19.200we actually covered in another episode was personality and sociology psychology bulletin
00:36:25.180published in 2024 political dehumanization and mental representations divergent emphasis in the
00:36:30.700minds of liberals versus conservatives and showed that liberals dramatically more dehumanized
00:36:35.880conservatives than the other way around specifically conservatives as we've pointed out just see
00:36:40.260liberals as irrational naive and irresponsible whereas liberals see conservatives as aggressive
00:36:46.020moral lacking and cold-hearted and barbaric and then in a study in 2023 empathetic conservatives
00:36:52.720and moralizing liberals shows that liberals showed less empathy for conservatives than
00:36:58.080conservatives showed for liberals we should continue to treat them with empathy we should
00:37:02.740continue to see them with empathy and we should continue the pattern of inclusivity that has won
00:37:07.660us the cultural vector is that have gotten us to where we are right now but until we're aligned
00:37:11.780don't give them admin roles and i think that's totally like where we've been moving the movement
00:37:16.560but it's also important like when you're like don't give them admin roles i'm actually going
00:37:20.440to push back a little bit there i i think that if somebody is coming to the conservative movement
00:37:26.440within the culture war and they already have a position of cultural authority and they used to
00:37:32.200be a leftist and they're beginning to flirt with conservatism oh you can do that's what i say when
00:37:37.000you're aligned they're in that's fine you're effectively wishing you dead yeah admin roles
00:37:41.860within organizations that we built and everything like that yes yeah but if you're talking about
00:37:46.200jk rowling basically was immediately assigned the moment leftist started crashing out on her
00:37:51.260conservatives were like okay now you are running the trans skeptic movement mrs rowling that was
00:37:56.880basically the way that we treated it right and she's done a fantastic job we when elon began to
00:38:03.260have ideas about conservatism and politics and being based we were basically like okay you are
00:38:09.100now the meme lord of the internet you mean your world mr mr e and he immediately was just ran on
00:38:16.560it and has been an incredibly i actually can't think of any instance where somebody has started
00:38:22.940flirting with genuinely conservative ideas and we put we centered them and it's really blown up in
00:38:29.260our faces generally i i think that's because what we look for as a cultural movement is anybody
00:38:35.180who's searching for like genuinely like what's the it's really funny what the conservative movement
00:38:39.940basically is today is people searching for like what is actually true which is why you have such
00:38:45.420diversity of opinions within the movement what is actually the best way to do this and i think
00:38:49.340one thing where we're moving because of findings like this because of things recently in studies
00:38:53.880and stuff like that is the illusion of across various countries of democracies, because we've
00:39:01.160seen again in France, in Germany, in the UK, potentially in the United States, how the
00:39:05.820democratic process has been unfairly subverted by leftists who are not acting in good face
00:39:12.240to maintain power, which then leaves us in a position where we need to begin to question
00:39:17.940whether the democratic method is the best method for us to move forwards if it's not gonna you're
00:39:24.480going out there and the other side isn't playing fair you don't need to keep playing that game
00:39:28.700anymore but i think that's an idea that like starting i don't know these last couple weeks
00:39:33.780that i'm like no this needs to be way more normalized and less stigmatized as an idea
00:39:37.480i know like obviously we're not the first ones to talk about this curtis yarvin has been on this
00:39:41.680forever at this point but if we're setting the tone for where we're going long term what's also
00:39:47.120true if it just looks like that's where we go no matter what most of the european countries are
00:39:50.880going to be bankrupt in the near future because of their social security systems and when the
00:39:54.340majority of the citizens are living off of those systems as they are in many european systems not
00:39:59.540but if you combine social security and welfare in most european countries the majority of the
00:40:03.440population is living off of the state that they're not going to vote themselves less stuff so they're
00:40:08.320just going to end up wrecking their economies and then if you wrecked your economy the state cannot
00:40:12.300power project as well, which means either you go towards totalitarianism and you begin to
00:40:17.540withdraw some of these systems and begin to make a system that works, or the entities,
00:40:22.160corporations that have wealth still will power project more, which is what we're seeing in the
00:40:28.160war of the tech lords and AI and everything like that, which is again why I say, if you want your
00:40:33.280movement to control the future of humanity, you need to be appealing to the tech lords.
00:40:36.920You need to know what's going on in their world perspective, what they value, and how you sell and align with those value perspectives with the things that you actually care about.
00:40:47.220Because if you isolate all the tech lords, you lose.
00:40:50.140I don't even care if you control the government.
00:40:57.020That's what I meant, Malcolm, when I said don't give them – like a technical admin.
00:41:00.960Like you're giving someone admin access to your bank account.
00:41:03.860I would just, if someone identifies as on the left, it just means that apparently their prerogative is to disempower the right systematically.
00:41:16.520You want to create more right-wing people, celebrity.
00:41:19.740I'll tell you like a great way to right-wing a celebrity, right?
00:41:22.600We got to take someone like Sam Ullman and then make him like the voice on X, right?
00:41:27.940Like the voice on Y, you need to do Y.
00:41:29.700And it's like X mildly conservative thing.
00:41:31.360then all the leftists will start attacking him and he'll start moving that's largely why sam
00:41:35.380altman has been so right wing a lot of people are it's because just kept getting attacked for
00:41:40.680reasonable takes yeah yeah i agree i think your original point was the most salient which is just
00:41:47.000exposure the more you hang out with people who are not extremely left wing who will just continue
00:41:53.960to create this straw man of the right wing you realize that you might be on the wrong side which
00:42:00.520is the weird experience i had after i met you well this is a really ironic thing about those
00:42:06.960writers who want to take the griper strategy or whatever if you as like the old right used to do
00:42:12.540this to some extent dehumanize gay people or trans people or muslims or whatever right and then
00:42:17.760somebody from your movement meets one of these people and they're a totally normal person without
00:42:21.740crazy opinions and they're like wait so the whole movement was lying to me right it's way better to
00:42:26.880talk about the bad actors the sex pests the islamists the people who are fighting and people
00:42:33.960are like oh you can't tell who the bad actors are you're dumbass if you can't tell who the bad
00:42:37.660actors are i'm gonna be real honest with you i have seen no instances of me being like that that
00:42:44.840guy is one of the good ones and then it turned out that they were like psyching me out or something
00:42:49.780like that that has never happened not with any any essec minority that i can think of any maybe
00:42:55.960maybe one of you guys can be like here it's one of the ones where you got like the only time where
00:43:00.580i feel this is somebody who had on the show where i was like oh i misjudged his character was
00:43:05.560probably richard anania but i think that a lot of people when they look at him would be like he's
00:43:10.660just a generic white guy nobody was like giving him a pass right even when i look at like where
00:43:14.880somebody has gone to the other side or done something done a flip or something they've never
00:43:19.900been one of the cases where it was somebody that i feel that our movement gave an amount of credit
00:43:27.360to right it just doesn't seem to happen very much and people are making up these imaginary
00:43:31.580scenarios in their head about why they can't trust x group or y group and they're stupid
00:43:35.940and they end up hurting us i don't think it's also in the same way that it hurts the leftists
00:43:43.280when the leftists say all conservatives are evil and they meet conservative and they're like all
00:43:46.100are all nice which is really important to remember if you ever take the position that all of x group
00:43:51.340is evil or you allow someone in our movement who takes that position you don't just push x group
00:43:57.920out of our movement you push everyone who has ever met a member of x group who isn't like that
00:44:03.360out of our movement and that is incredibly bad and this is why it is so good that we have been
00:44:08.740able to push out people like nick fuentes and the groipers and we should continue to hold an iron
00:44:13.440wall against these types of mindsets because they prevent us from taking one a maximally
00:44:20.340punishing stance against the actual bad actors and two they prevent us from winning elections
00:44:26.860which is critical at this time in human history well but also like when someone is
00:44:32.100willing to have discourse with you it's not like anyone gave gives random people who they will mix
00:44:38.700with okay what's different about the conservative movement and why i don't i'm not even concerned
00:44:42.540about people who might just switch back to becoming leftists is we're just here for discourse and it
00:44:48.760doesn't matter if you're from the left or from the right or going to the left or going to the right
00:44:53.180in this movement i've noticed that if someone gives a dumb take people are going to point it
00:44:58.400out there's no i have to blindly agree with everything you're saying they'll be like that's
00:45:03.100stupid whereas on the left it's very different if you say something that doesn't toe the line
00:45:07.720I don't know Hamas seems to be pretty it looks like in Palestine children are being used as human
00:45:13.640shields you'll get in really big trouble people will be like yeah I hear you on that or yeah
00:45:19.360there's evidence for that there's evidence for the other another thing that I've been thinking
00:45:23.060about recently I've noticed that so many leftists are only leftists because they think that all of
00:45:26.600the examples of abuses that people on the right find are anecdotal rather than like systemic right
00:45:36.000they keep passing oh that's an anecdotal case that's an anecdotal whatever absolutely right
00:45:41.100yeah that was an isolated a terror attack that was an isolated killing that was an isolated
00:45:46.000instance of oppression of free speech now and this was reported by the guardian over 50 percent of
00:45:52.240muslims in the uk want think that gayness should be illegal like i think that this is like this
00:45:58.080isn't isolated and keep in mind if they want this from a sharia law perspective that means they want
00:46:01.800to kill them this is not an isolated perspective this is the data right so this now means that
00:46:08.220there are a portion when people are like and this is where it's really easy when people say and this
00:46:12.400is what makes it a lot harder to attack when you take things this way oh you want to kick out all
00:46:17.480of the muslims in the uk it's like no i want to kick out the ones that eventually want sharia law
00:46:21.500that want to kill gay people is that something you have a problem with you want to keep the
00:46:25.140ones that want to kill gay people that's where you push them so far into a corner that you allow
00:46:30.000severe actions even at scale gotta get the kids definitely didn't realize things were this bad
00:46:36.640i guess maybe intuitively we knew this was this bad i just i don't know i want to
00:46:39.960think that people are broadly reasonable and i guess i have that same tendency whereas when
00:46:45.500something terrible happens i want to think that it is an anecdotal instance but that goes back to
00:46:52.020the root intuition and tendency of the left of progressivism and the broad mimetic virus that
00:46:58.620has overtaken it, which you have identified in various episodes, which is the desire to take
00:47:03.060the least morally uncomfortable conclusion from something. So the least morally uncomfortable
00:47:09.120conclusion is, oh, it was an isolated incident. No, that's just a couple really deranged people
00:47:14.400who identify as progressives, making all of them seem really crazy. But then you see peer-reviewed
00:47:20.120research come out like this, and it kind of has to change your view a little bit if you're going
00:47:26.440to actually follow a consistent standard of evidence so sobering anyway i will go get the
00:47:31.860kids and i love you very much love you too we're doing fried rice tonight unless you want to do
00:47:36.720gyoza lasagna and give me a break i you don't it's okay it's fine i love you bye