In this episode, we discuss the Monica Lewinsky scandal, and why it's gross. We discuss the details of Lewinsky's affair with a married woman, the implications of her affair with Bill Clinton, and the fallout from the scandal.
00:06:21.460But it means that when girls see other girls interested in you, they are more interested in you.
00:06:25.940And there's ways that you can prove this was various forms of social proof, etc.
00:06:29.060So you think he was trying to do that?
00:06:31.980I think he was trying to show that he was good at giving, going down on girl. I don't see anything
00:06:38.460other than that. I think that's what it was. One of the girls in this is somebody that he had
00:06:42.580gotten with a few years ago when she, it turns out, was also 19.
00:06:45.820Keeping in mind, Destiny is 36 and has a kid. Okay. And it's bad to, you know, record things and then share them with other people.
00:06:57.340But in the context, he had shared it with somebody who he thought he had a good relationship with.
00:07:02.140And, well, he had talked with him at least a few times and wasn't going to go out and share it.
00:07:06.360It seems pretty clear to me that his intention was not to leak this.
00:07:09.720It's a very serious negative repercussions on his career, on his relationships.
00:07:13.040It was not his intention. The person who is complaining about all this says it was his intention.
00:07:18.700I can see how he thought, well, nobody hears about it. It's not unethical, right?
00:07:24.140I don't agree with this. Like, I think it is clearly an unethical boundary violation thing.
00:07:29.320But if, like, if anyone took intimate video, audio, or images of me and then shared them with someone else without my consent,
00:07:39.260I would be incensed. That's a huge violation.
00:07:43.780I understand, Simone. But again, like, I look at the – these are people hooking up with the famous, you know, streamer, like –
00:07:51.720You're kind of saying, like, what do you expect?
00:07:54.160What do you expect? You know, one who, you know, had had allegations of doing this in the past.
00:07:59.360And it came out quickly, in this case, it's had a history of recording and sharing these recordings, you know,
00:08:05.300and had other people warning people that he had been recording.
00:08:07.900And then he said, no, I didn't do that.
00:08:09.400And by the way, about the 19-year-old thing, I'll play a clip right here from Destiny about what he thinks about 19-year-olds and their mental acuity.
00:08:16.400Now, if you're 22, a 19-year-old's not a kid to you, okay? I'm 29. A 19-year-old might as well be a 15-year-old to me.
00:08:26.780I have about as much in common with, like, an 18-year-old, 19-year-old fucking freshman in school as I would a fucking sophomore in high school.
00:08:33.740Any type of inclination towards any of those people is really fucking weird.
00:09:13.280But the point here being is I was really surprised by, like – because this isn't, like – like, there are, like, so many times where somebody is, like, griefing on, like, genuine minors or, like, age gap relationships and stuff.
00:09:27.220Like, you know, it can be weird in some circumstances, but whatever.
00:09:31.600Historically, they were pretty normal.
00:09:32.920I guess right here I am a bit biased at the moment because I've been reading a lot of history about one of my ancestors, John Knox, who multiple times when he was older got married to a 17-year-old.
00:09:43.460In both of those marriages, it appeared the women were very, very happy.
00:09:47.980And since I'm descended from one of those, I have to have a thing about, well, I mean, maybe not always are they the worst.
00:09:55.160But in a modern context, a 17-year-old, that's young, I guess.
00:09:58.040So I should say, okay, in a modern context, age gap relationships might be a problem.
00:10:02.180But why did I react that way with something I'm reflecting on?
00:10:04.720And then I reflected on it with the last Destiny scandal.
00:10:10.580Oh, the cucking scandal where he let his wife sleep with other men and appeared to be into it at times.
00:10:18.420And eventually his wife left him for one of the men that she was sleeping with and then started demanding money from him in like a really, honestly to me, skeezy way.
00:10:28.500I kind of feel like almost he's been victimized in that regards.
00:10:31.120And then part of this to me is almost sort of mitigated because Destiny is like an active, actively like into dudes.
00:10:38.440As he has said before, he likes S-ing D and F-ing F-ing F-ing boys.
00:10:52.740I mean, he's like in touch with his, in touch, you know, good trying to phrase there.
00:10:56.540I don't know, I would say he's very hyper-sexualized right now, which is odd for this stage of his life and being a dad, I'm going to be honest.
00:11:03.220And we can go over to, if we want to go over like a long tweet thing that he did like just last Valentine's Day, he can be like, this is the type of degeneracy he's getting into these days.
00:11:11.240I was like, why am I responding so like ick to him and like low ick to say Trump's stuff, right?
00:11:18.520And I think that this is why the Dems tried to get him so hard with the pee tapes because that could have caused an ick response, but they never could get, I think, a lot of people to believe in that.
00:11:29.020They were just like, this seems obviously fake.
00:11:30.840And I was trying to think of other celebrities that have given me this ick response.
00:11:34.180And I was like, you know, is actually Louis C.K. in the like public masturbation thing?
00:11:39.720So I want to get to trying to like correlate what causes this ick response in the general public or in me specifically around certain, because like the Louis C.K. one again, maybe like not the worst thing in the world.
00:11:51.220But like it caused a much grosser response to me than like Trump barging into like women at the pageant where he was owning the pageants, like dressing rooms, right?
00:17:19.220Obviously, Joe Rogan was the Joe Rogan of the left.
00:17:22.220Until the left just shoved Joe Rogan into the right.
00:17:25.200Which is what's happening with basically anyone who survives and ends up being cool.
00:17:29.180Just is like, all right, well, I guess I'm kind of hanging out toward the right.
00:17:34.620There's this weird bastion of the right that's left, like the blocked and reported podcast, where they've kind of been shoved to the right by the left.
00:17:43.420But they still refuse to embrace the right.
00:17:47.640Like, they're still very, very unhappy that Trump was elected, as is most of their audience.
00:17:52.340So I think that's really interesting that there's this weird, within, like, the heterodox world, the, like, not perfectly left world.
00:18:01.280It's like, well, okay, I understand that the left hates me and sees me as evil.
00:18:04.900But at the same time, I hate the right.
00:18:20.240But it is really interesting that you can, one, become hated by the left actively.
00:18:25.440And people like Jesse Single have, like, you know, Blue Sky wanting him dead, you know.
00:18:28.880But he can't let go of his hatred of the, like, his bias of the right is still so strong that he can't let it go.
00:18:36.720Even though he's now, like, subject to the same prejudice that figures on the right are in the, he doesn't seem to realize that maybe many of these people are still quite, you know, framed poorly.
00:18:50.140Or he chooses to think of, like, I don't know, misinterpret what they're saying.
00:18:58.100Well, no, I mean, I think that they're still in the cult.
00:19:00.820They've just been considered persona non grata.
00:19:03.260They're one of those people who's been, like, kicked out of a religion and, like, their religion has done all sorts of terrible stuff.
00:19:07.440But they're like, yeah, but I still believe.
00:19:08.760It's just, like, the current cult leader or whatever is a bad guy.
00:19:11.620And you're like, no, you really should try to deprogram a bit here, buddy, before you move on with your life.
00:19:17.100But one of the fun things about this, so there's a few fun things about this.
00:19:22.420The first is that the girl whose sex tape that he leaked, the one at the center of this, was actually, her core thing was in the Destiny community was sort of as a proof point that you didn't need to give Destiny sexual favors if you were a girl and going to be active or prominent within his community.
00:19:39.100Well, didn't she technically receive the sexual favor?
00:21:07.800But the One Civilization video, that one is spice.
00:21:11.920For people who haven't seen that, like, if you're new to the channel, like, that's like one of the key videos on the channel, I guess I'd say.
00:21:17.020Where we argue that it appears that one civilization jumped from culture to culture, exhausting it, then moving to the next culture.
00:21:24.240But was, like, 500 to 1,000 years before the rest of the world and almost everything from technology to infrastructure to art to literature.
00:21:32.380And this went from ancient Egypt to Mesopotamia to ancient Greece to ancient Rome to Charlemagne to Britain to the world.
00:25:09.280You know, lefties are never reasonable.
00:25:10.640And it's so funny when righties, like, criticize people, it's always like, okay, like, me with Destiny, I'm like, well, you know, this was bad.
00:25:16.720But, and I will also say one of the things before I go further with the Destiny thing is his age, to me, makes this significantly worse.
00:25:24.020Not because he's whiz younger girls here.
00:25:25.960There are people who are way older who also have issues with their sex drive being way higher than it has any need to be.
00:26:12.940My initial hypothesis is that there is a gross reaction towards males in dominant positions within society and wide sexual access acting submissively.
00:26:32.860Well, I don't know, but hold on, though.
00:26:35.660So here's actually a really good, like, recent additional sexual scandal that's happening at roughly the same time, which is with Neil Gaiman, the famous author, you know, who wrote great, great stuff.
00:26:47.600And I still love him, just to say, you know, but he got in trouble for sexual misconduct with, like, nannies and stuff.
00:26:54.300And in this case, it was sexual misconduct.
00:27:57.100So it could very well be true, given his power.
00:28:01.140I would probably be afraid of going up against him, but I'm not going to just immediately believe anyone who accuses the famous person at this point.
00:28:07.340So that might be a story for another time.
00:30:48.900Yeah, like, the scenario of quote-unquote abuse that you're describing here is, like, the plot line of, you know, 93% of all romance novels.
00:31:31.780Here's my problem is, I haven't, like, checked in on what's popular for over a year now on Gone Wild Audio, but, like, a really big problem.
00:31:40.480I show up a lot in women's porn, actually.
00:31:42.260Yeah, and it is so, like, if it's a major turnoff to you, and you're just, like, going through, and then it comes up, you're just, like, all of a sudden, like, trigger warning, please.
00:32:27.540Like, even has, like, a not-safe warning Discord just to, like, perv on people.
00:32:30.560Where I'm, like, people are, like, oh, Malcolm, you know, you might do that if you were ever drunk on Discord.
00:32:36.620And, and one of the, one of the funny things was recently on a Discord, I was talking at night, and so he was, like, you know, if it's nighttime, he's probably drunk.
00:34:49.680I'm trying to think of, like, other potential.
00:34:51.320I think one of the interesting things as well in terms of, like, us knowing a lot of celebrity type people, some been on the show, some haven't been on the show, is if you hang out with them, you get a really clear picture really quickly what sort of scandals they might get involved in.
00:36:24.080Like, where, like, but what I mean by that scandal is you would have guessed her to get in that type of scandal.
00:36:29.900Like, if somebody gave you a list of scandals, you'll be like, oh, that one's Ayla.
00:36:33.280You're doing match the scandal to the friend.
00:36:35.900You know, I could guess the type of scandal.
00:36:38.520But no, I honestly, the only reason that it would be is that Ayla is the only person who is wholesome and pure enough to be honest about something like that.
00:36:45.740Which, again, oh, people are missing it.
00:36:50.000I could tell pretty quickly from a list of scandals which one Razeev had actually gotten into.
00:36:54.740And I, I'll tell you right now, the scandal that Razeev would get into, it would be the one where he thought he could get a rise out of somebody by pretending to be a racist.
00:37:03.100And that person took him to be an actual racist because he loves doing that.
00:37:08.900That's like one of his biggest vices is when he thinks he can, like, freak somebody out by saying something that appears, like, super over the line if it's, like, a factual statement.
00:37:19.960And he could so get in trouble by doing that at the wrong time in front of the wrong person.
00:37:59.180When instead she's like, yeah, I mean, I agree because they're right.
00:38:02.660Yeah, I actually, if I see her getting in trouble for something, it's, like, for example, something, like, actually really egregiously racist happens.
00:38:09.700But she doesn't understand it's racism.
00:38:11.580And she refuses to back down and apologize because she doesn't know, because she didn't know it was racism at the time.
00:39:30.200But, like, yeah, I think a lot of it just comes from a misunderstanding of how we're raising our kids.
00:39:34.260And, you know, they would assume that, like, the LLCs that had been created were, like, all just for us to make money when really, like, it all belongs to the kid or something.
00:39:43.820But stuff like that is kind of what I expect.
00:39:47.140Yeah, but it's been interesting to me watching this Destiny thing.
00:39:49.620If it destroys his career, honestly, I'm a little sad because it feels, I mean, it's immoral, but it's expected and almost pedantic, the degree to, like, oh, this will end his career, you know, everyone's like right now.
00:40:01.940And I'm like, I mean, you didn't think Destiny was this type of person?
00:40:07.800Like, I guess maybe that's just, like, what I assumed.
00:40:10.880I was like, yeah, he's, like, really has problems with sexual control.
00:40:15.540It's not that he meant to, like, hurt this other person.
00:40:18.080I mean, the recording stuff without people's consent is really bad.
00:40:22.480But to him, these people are Discord bunnies and, like, you know, whatever.
00:40:26.840Maybe it's bad to dehumanize people because of their relation to you within, like, a certain social ecosystem.
00:40:32.620But, you know, he's got millions of followers, right?
00:40:35.520Like, he's emperor of his little castle.
00:40:38.020It's a bit like, you know, when people expect, you know, Elon Musk or Louis XIV to expect to have the sexual rules around their behavior that somebody else would have around their behavior.
00:40:49.920It's like, bro, like, it doesn't work that way.
00:40:52.320It's actually interesting that I think his arousal patterns are the most subversive thing about him, not that he's a sex maniac given his position.
00:41:04.200Sorry, she's being really difficult again.
00:41:06.000To me, this feels like, if anything, a low-grade market correction.
00:41:11.080He did something not nice by sharing something he shouldn't have shared.
00:44:36.500Like, you're taking a calculated risk every time you do this thing.
00:44:40.400And I think it's also true as people have certain power in society, especially if they're in the celebrity scene.
00:44:45.620If you are a girl and you get alone with a guy in one of these circles or something like that, what I would say to my daughter is just don't.
00:44:52.980Do not get alone with famous musicians.
00:44:55.160Do not get alone with famous musicians or a thing in the future.
00:45:01.840The thing is, I think that for most people who get into close proximity with these people and then ending up having some kind of intimate encounter, it is a worthwhile price of admission for them.
00:45:17.960Like, like, I'd be like, I'd be like, how do I know?
00:45:23.120The girl would be like, and I'd be like, like, you know, like, for example, like Jordan Peterson, I'm not afraid of him doing this to anyone.
00:45:29.700Again, we're talking about like, what's his next scandal going to be?
00:45:32.080His next scandal is going to be some other drug scandal or some other, his actual life is like a disaster, but it's not going to be pressuring young girls into sex.
00:45:42.520He, he, he doesn't seem to have that particular temptation or maybe the fallout was his daughter.
00:45:49.160I could see that, but like, there's like a category of like realistic, like explosions from people that you expect.
00:45:57.240And yeah, I think that category and being able to judge that category is important to also maintaining your own safety around certain people.
00:46:06.120Oh, like when they, when they do wrong by you or the world, how are they going to do wrong by you?
00:46:19.040And the vast majority of people you ever know in the world, the vast majority of your friends are only going to do wrong by you by flaking on you constantly and not showing up because that's what people do now.
00:46:28.500But there are some people who go further, you know, maybe they will use you as a like mental, emotional, like trash can.
00:46:41.380Maybe they will try to exploit you for money.
00:46:43.380Maybe they're trying to utilize your resources and you should be aware of that.
00:46:48.280But yeah, anyway, it takes two to tango, which is probably one of the more controversial, controversial stances in the pragmatist guide to relationships where we point out that like abusive relationships or just sort of any malfeasance in, in human relations involves typically participation from two parties.
00:47:07.640I mean, obviously this is not the case for like someone being attacked and raped, but like if you're talking about an exchange like that, those being described here, it's, it's,
00:47:18.280these are people who chose to be involved with each other.
00:47:21.220So yeah, well, I love you to death, Simone, you are a great wife.
00:47:25.720I guess we're going straight to dinner now.