Based Camp - Women： “It's Not Torture if They're MY Kids!” (Kate Plus 8)

00:00:00 Hello, Malcolm. I'm so glad to be speaking with you today because we're here for another episode

00:00:05 of Women Are Terrible, in which we are asking the question, why do women think they can get away 0.52

00:00:12 with abuse? And this question is cropping up because once again, we have-

00:00:17 A woman who should have known that it would come out.

00:00:20 Yes. Basically, the 22-year-old son of a reality TV star whose entire public identity revolved

00:00:27 around being a parent of eight kids recently came out with a tell-all book detailing his abuse

00:00:32 this is the one from like kate of eight where the woman had was pregnant with six kids at a time and

00:00:36 like a bunch of companies gave her free stuff and then she got divorced and yeah anyway continue

00:00:41 his his account includes being systematically isolated from his siblings zip being zip tied

00:00:46 and beaten uh being locked for 70 of his time in a basement with no bathroom i've never thought of

00:00:52 doing that with our kids that's a great malcolm no no no no no no no no no um and also being

00:00:59 heavily medicated against his will and somehow this very famous woman thought she could both

00:01:05 be toxic on and off camera and get away with it why and and that's what we're going to explore

00:01:11 today and uh not just that but we're going to be exploring it through the lens of a phenomenon that 0.67

00:01:16 we saw with her that i've seen with my mom that i've seen as many other psycho boomer mothers

00:01:21 are like post boomer mother like just post of like just thinking that you can give your kids

00:01:28 tons of medication to make whatever you don't like about them go away yeah like they're acting

00:01:32 out and therefore you're going to maliciously medicate them or institutionalize them yeah

00:01:38 you can just hit them i'm gonna hello i'm dr richard shea here to tell you about my exciting

00:01:48 new drug free treatment for children with attention deficit disorder treatment is fast

00:01:54 and effective and doesn't use harmful drugs watch closely as i apply treatment to the

00:01:58 first child i want a horse i want a big brown horse with a fluffy black tail with a diamond

00:02:02 sit out and study sit out and study stop crying until your school work

00:02:14 you just wish you were beaten rigorously as a children a child weren't you uh it would have

00:02:21 been a lot easier than my parents just hit me the way i hit our kids it would be so much nicer than 0.95

00:02:25 what they did like actually yes so if if she just hit her kids um just like well she did malcolm 1.00

00:02:34 and we'll get into that um of course she zip tied and beat them but she did other things

00:02:39 we'll talk clearly not correctly no no definitely not correctly you know like we we talk about this

00:02:45 in our corporal punishment episode but uh if you do if you engage and generally we are against

00:02:51 the concept of quote-unquote spanking or corporal punishment anything that is that is delayed that

00:02:57 is not basically um only when you know communication is clearly impossible with a child so like older

00:03:02 children it's not appropriate uh it's sort of like you know if a if a kid who is incapable

00:03:07 of understanding you is doing something that is dangerous to themselves or others you know

00:03:11 immediate like sort of jolting not not painful not um in anger a physical correction can be very

00:03:18 helpful like you know kids like shoving a knife into an outlet slap like that's gonna hopefully

00:03:24 like get everyone a little bit like okay what's going on here which was just the other day

00:03:30 i see one of our children with a screwdriver going straight toward an outlet do you think

00:03:37 that they would know but anyway there are instances where sometimes this makes sense

00:03:42 she was not doing that it was it was all delayed it was like highly ritualized it was with you know

00:03:47 weapons like spoons and zip ties and things like that um but but also just her hands anyway we're

00:03:51 gonna get into it um and um it it is uh it's horrifying for context um this is we're talking

00:03:58 about kate goslin she became famous through the tlc realities tv series called john and kate plus

00:04:04 eight and then later kate plus eight because she divorced john in which her life was being

00:04:09 documented as as a mother raising and she was clearly the bad guy in the relationship oh yeah

00:04:14 no i'll show you a clip um she had first twins who were born in 2000 and then sextuplets who

00:04:20 were born in 2004 via fertility treatments with her then husband john goslin she made tons of

00:04:26 money through this by the way first she was making about two thousand per episode and then it went up 0.91

00:04:31 to twenty two thousand five hundred per episode by later seasons of john and kate plus eight

00:04:35 she made around two point five million dollars for the first five seasons actually not including

00:04:41 extras and then after her divorce when the show became just kate plus eight she was making up to

00:04:46 two hundred and fifty thousand dollars per episode though most were like a little over forty thousand 0.99

00:04:51 per episode, but that's still insane amounts of money. Um, and you can already tell that she was 0.99

00:04:56 unethical just for having sex tuplets because that puts these unborn children in incredible danger. 0.99

00:05:02 Like most IVF clinics won't even transfer twins because just a twin pregnancy is more pregnant,

00:05:08 is more dangerous. She was a nurse by the way, she knows better. We don't do twins. We could 0.98

00:05:15 do twins and be having kids much faster when Simone is younger, but it's not good for the

00:05:18 I mean, it puts the mother at risk. I should care more about that. I don't care as much about that. I care much more about the babies and it does put the babies at risk. And she chose to transfer six. I mean, one, like there are huge ethical issues with the doctor who did this. I've seen very detailed gynecological, like from gynecologists doing big rundowns of the whole, like, how did this happen? Who could have done this? There was a whole lot of like lying and stuff that was going on. So very unethical woman already to start. Anyone who is having sex tablets via an IVF procedure is an extremely unethical person.

00:05:48 it makes it even worse that she was a nurse she knows better and she did it anyway um and this is 0.98

00:05:53 something that will have a permanent effect on the kids yeah intelligence growth everything messed

00:05:58 up super messed up um but then you can also guess she's going to yield issues when you realize that

00:06:03 images of her haircut um have have literally been used as sort of the um the the the picture

00:06:12 the poster child of the karen haircut so malcolm look at your screen okay oh my god

00:06:18 that is the karen haircut that is the i will i will speak to your manager haircut that is kate

00:06:24 goslin i didn't know when i saw pictures of this i thought this was just like an example of like

00:06:28 someone out like in the wild taking a picture of some random woman and being like this is the 0.83

00:06:33 karen haircut no this is kate goslin um and this how did her show get that popular is she that

00:06:40 entertaining uh i guess people really actually i found it incredibly hard to even watch clips of 0.98

00:06:45 her show because she's so cruel to her children and to her husband let me give you an example 1.00

00:06:51 actually because it's here's the thing is even in the show she's just so mean to everyone including

00:06:56 her husband watch this sorry can you stop breathing so loud honey he's like

00:07:01 breathe quietly so i consider them sick anyone sick for do you hear yourself breathing oh that's 0.97

00:07:11 just gross i want this woman's life destroyed does anyone hear him breathing i'm sorry for 0.98

00:07:17 breathing she's so mean now i mean you malcolm you get mad at me for like not being like nice 0.93

00:07:24 enough when the documentary film like filming is happening i'm not that mean to you i love the

00:07:29 sound of you chewing like i i i actually quite love you so now you can always remember there's

00:07:37 someone who's worse on camera around their spouse than me. And I admit that I'm not great on camera

00:07:43 around you because I'm so stressed out about the cameras. But there are levels that, you know,

00:07:47 go even beyond. And I think part of that is the reason why she ended up being so abusive towards 1.00

00:07:53 her kids. You can tell that she hates her husband, like from that clip. And if you hate your partner, 0.99

00:08:00 you're probably not going to like your kids very much because you're going to see so much of them

00:08:04 in your kids and i think that is a big factor that plays into this episode i can really clearly

00:08:10 see you not paying attention and the screen sort of flashing on your face okay okay you can watch

00:08:15 moa comics but you need to turn down your i'm not watching moa comics i was going through to do

00:08:19 items i had an open thing and i thought a vibe coding software was stopped okay great well

00:08:26 anyway you can tell how you feel about me on our podcast apparently um is this the new

00:08:32 stop breathing um anyway but to do items yell at me they were they're open on the screen

00:08:41 i know i know i'm so sorry but anyway i love the sound of you eating she can't she can't stand even

00:08:48 the sound of him breathing but this is this is why you can tell like she's she probably hated

00:08:52 her kids because she also hated her husbands and also she she hated them from the beginning she 1.00

00:08:56 was willing to have sextuplets, which is abusive. So let's talk about the allegations made against 1.00

00:09:02 this mother in The Shadow of Eight, which is the book that came out. It is doing gangbusters

00:09:10 on Amazon. I think it already has over 3,000 reviews and it just came out, Malcolm. Like,

00:09:15 that is a level. And I learned about this because my favorite snarky YouTuber,

00:09:19 Cheer Denise, is doing a live reading. I'm going to link to her playlist of her reading this book

00:09:25 with her snarky annotation uh and and actually there's a good clip from her show that's included

00:09:30 in her um her introduction to this book so i'll just play it right here for a sec

00:09:35 this bear away i'm not i'm not dealing with it i'll teach him to get done

00:09:40 this is so mean that's the author of this book kiss him goodbye can you imagine me doing that

00:09:50 to Mr. Bear? Mr. Bear who our kid loves, yeah.

00:09:54 They just play together every morning.

00:09:56 Paul and the bear play together every morning.

00:09:58 We don't chew gum when we're three.

00:10:00 Too bad, I'm bad, I'm bad.

00:10:03 Oh my, this kills me.

00:10:05 Too bad, he can't go through my dryer

00:10:07 without ruining all the other clothes.

00:10:09 Anybody who has ever been a parent knows

00:10:11 that there are multiple times

00:10:12 when you did not handle it the right way.

00:10:15 This is not a book about a parent

00:10:16 who sometimes didn't handle it the right way,

00:10:18 had to go back to her kids and apologize and say hey my patience was short i could have explained

00:10:22 that better you know i i didn't approach you correctly on this one this is not about a parent

00:10:28 who is a human being this is about a parent who was a monster she was a monster and the things

00:10:32 that are going to go down in this book will blow you to the ground they do i love her channel so

00:10:39 much i love this woman anyway but i think that they're more normal for moms than people realize

00:10:46 growing up the type of stuff that you're hearing here is stuff that I saw in my friends lives

00:10:52 you just grew up in like an Alameda wealthy suburb okay I grew up maybe I grew up around

00:10:58 actual rich kids and like among rich kids this sort of treatment is very common are you serious

00:11:03 that's messed up there's watching him cry watching little Colin cry with my teddy bear 1.00

00:11:08 lots of rich parents are very ruthless deeply uncomfortable wow okay so you can't raise pussies 0.99

00:11:16 oh my gosh great you you can already tell my parenting style is harsher than yours and yours 0.99

00:11:22 is already pretty harsh you're a surprise some people don't know simone is a surprisingly

00:11:27 harsh parent i wouldn't do that to teddy bear do you know how many times i've stitched him back

00:11:32 together yeah i know you stitch him back together after he breaks they have that they have that uh

00:11:36 stuffed animal hospital that they take him to mommy and mommy stitches them all back together

00:11:40 i would over and over i would just cut out the part with gum in it and then frankenstein sew

00:11:46 back together the rest of it like whatever like we'll make it work um but i know i'm super not

00:11:51 okay with that but anyway here are some of the allegations that were made uh in this book okay 0.75

00:11:57 it's ridiculous so at least she didn't try to have sex with him right is that is is that no 0.53

00:12:03 she definitely didn't do that um okay good hey in this day and age you know there's one 1.00

00:12:09 yeah at least you know she didn't take him down to a basement and choke him out yeah she just

00:12:13 locked him in a basement for long periods of time no this is gonna be this episode is gonna be like

00:12:17 our ethan klein episode i don't know if you are you following the ethan klein controversy right

00:12:20 now ethan klein a very old youtuber he's been on youtube since forever um okay of h3 productions

00:12:27 yeah uh he uh most famous for his breakup was i dubs and uh the the he's been more successful

00:12:35 than i def has anyway turns out and he's sort of like a anti-woke but not really conservative

00:12:40 jewish podcaster is like his identity um but not pro-israel which always makes me suspicious if a 0.50

00:12:47 jew is not pro-israel i don't trust you i just don't i don't i don't think you're a good person 0.93

00:12:51 and i don't trust you right like have have the back of your people or don't have the back of 0.99

00:12:54 your people don't be a spineless turd okay like clearly your people aren't safe without their own 0.64

00:12:59 state you look at what's happening in america right now like either stand behind your people

00:13:03 or don't it doesn't mean what did he do what did he do but anyway so he um cheated on his wife

00:13:10 was a fan who then went on to work on the show who like went in the crowd and like they have the

00:13:16 first thing and and she asked to see him in a way where he's like i don't think it's appropriate for

00:13:19 us to meet because she was so thirsty in the way that he she asked and then she ends up on the show

00:13:24 and then so many places on the show did he make fun of people who cheated um or made explicit

00:13:33 jokes about if he was cheating was this specific woman on his wife so he must have been like

00:13:40 getting off on it like i think so like oh i'm gonna be so blatant about it isn't that

00:13:45 like satisfying for me and nobody else um yeah the the other girl clearly who was cheating on

00:13:53 at times looked like uncomfortable oh i hope so uh we need to saying stuff that made it obvious 0.99

00:14:00 but his wife is and i don't know like a nice way to say this um so i will show you i will drop her 0.90

00:14:08 on screen scary looking like me i'm a hag no no no i mean like scary looking like she looks like

00:14:18 uh an adams family member or something they look kind of matched they have the weird kind of the

00:14:22 same i think their looks matched i'm not saying yeah i think i think they're well matched i mean

00:14:27 she's got like an oval face and he's got a square face but there's something about their eyes it's

00:14:30 like deeply if she played a witch in a movie i would find it very believable or better an evil 0.93

00:14:36 gypsy other than that i mean i've always i've always liked this content it's a shame that this

00:14:42 uh came out we go over this controversy in a lot more detail in another video that we did

00:14:46 so you can just look at that one it's called like the snitch the cheat and the liar or something 0.89

00:14:50 and uh it's deeper they probably haven't had sex in like a year or more and there's other 0.97

00:14:56 mitigating factors but the reality is obviously he's in the wrong because he cheated and he had

00:15:03 kids and that's not good but it is it is a deeper and more interesting question but like you know

00:15:12 who knows what's going to come out about me and the way i i beat my children like i think one

00:15:17 reason i've been paying so much attention to this john and kate plus eight thing is that

00:15:19 you know we're about to be defenestrated for being terrible parents when when the documentary

00:15:24 comes out like i know that that's going to happen like my biggest fear because i love

00:15:27 cheer denise for example who's reading this book on youtube is that she's going to watch our 0.75

00:15:32 documentary and then tear me apart and then it's just going to be like like a bit fruity all over

00:15:37 again where matt bernstein just said all these things about us that weren't true and but it

00:15:42 didn't actually make you sad to listen and i still i still listen to it no it was it was actually a

00:15:46 pretty frustrating listen it was the one frustrating listen we've had because it was there's so many

00:15:49 things and there's just weren't like we're factually not true and i really i still listen

00:15:53 to his podcast and enjoy it i just kind of retcon that one one instance where he said so many

00:15:59 blatantly inaccurate things about us every other bit of coverage about us has been mostly accurate

00:16:04 that's why it was just so weird i was like hold on wait wait wait wait none of these things are

00:16:07 this is what happens when you're a progressive and you don't use ai for fact checking for real

00:16:12 matt use ai but anyway like if you use the rfab editor it has an automatic ai fact checker so

00:16:18 great when podcasts that you enjoy listening to or youtube channels that you enjoy listening to

00:16:23 suddenly talk about you and like hate you it just it sucks and i fear that so like i'm thinking

00:16:28 about this also from the respect of me as a parent and yes you and i are not like gentle parents and 0.76

00:16:33 so you know this is all going to happen to us so i'm coming into this being like oh great how many

00:16:38 of things of the things that he's going to detail in his book have we done and are we going to get

00:16:41 in trouble for turns out nothing because she actually was a monster like cheer denise says 0.79

00:16:45 but let's let's talk about what wait until you see what our kids say about us all the cruel

00:16:50 things we did to tell all novels no this is the thing and this is why like the bigger theme of 1.00

00:16:54 in the women are terrible of this episode is why did she do this as this hot like very high profile 1.00

00:17:01 public family think that she could do the things that she did to her son and no doubt probably to 1.00

00:17:07 other people too i mean who knows what will come out but like certainly and most egregiously to

00:17:11 this particular son and think that he wasn't going to grow up and write a tell-all like well

00:17:18 Kids grow up pretty fast.

00:17:19 I mean, it's only, like, 15 years.

00:17:22 Yeah.

00:17:23 You need, you know, and the kid's already five or whatever,

00:17:25 so it's only, like, 10 years.

00:17:27 He's, well, he's, oh, our kids are, well, Octavian's seven.

00:17:30 So, yeah, give it, you know, 11 years and, like, he'll,

00:17:33 I mean, he can obviously publish a towel way earlier, like, you know.

00:17:37 Yeah, he's good to go in five years in terms of, like.

00:17:39 Go on TikTok and, like, yeah.

00:17:41 My parents.

00:17:44 My parents.

00:17:45 What are we going to get hit with, Simone?

00:17:47 I don't know.

00:17:48 I know, but I think the one that people are going to get mad at us about the most.

00:17:53 What?

00:17:54 We don't, like, we are, we have a house where people are regularly nude all the time.

00:18:00 Because that's just the way that we wear it.

00:18:02 They just hate clothes.

00:18:03 They just hate clothes.

00:18:05 I don't know what to say.

00:18:06 And so somebody's going to go like, oh, everyone's new.

00:18:09 It's like, no, the kids don't care.

00:18:11 Nobody cares.

00:18:11 Nobody contextualizes anything. 1.00

00:18:13 Look, Titan runs faster than I can chase after her with clothes.

00:18:16 I don't know what to tell you.

00:18:17 there's like after a certain point you just give up you know it's like trying to get a rabid raccoon

00:18:21 dressed in your house do you really want to do that do you really want to chase the thing that

00:18:26 all over no you wait until the rabid raccoon gets cold enough it comes up to you okay or you're like

00:18:33 i don't know dangling you don't chase a rabid raccoon simone you shoot a rabid raccoon it has

00:18:39 rabies rabid raccoons chase you this is true oh yeah i only wish yeah i guess a coked up raccoon

00:18:45 never mind yes a coked up raccoon yeah we run why are you giving cokes to your raccoons back to what 0.51

00:18:51 she did to her children uh we don't need to defenestrate ourselves anywhere than we already

00:18:54 do right so let's start with the basic things that i just think are really cruel aside from

00:18:59 just the teddy bear incident which played out on camera he he writes about in the book this

00:19:04 particular lego car that he just coveted and and finally he gets it for christmas only for his

00:19:09 mother to take it away and say that he'll earn it back he never sees it again also after his teacher

00:19:15 at school before he was taken out of school noticed that his ear was purple with bruises

00:19:20 from his mother grabbing it repeatedly and yanking it and pulling him around by his ear

00:19:25 led to basically a teacher asked him about it he told like his counselor what happened

00:19:34 then children and youth services got involved and he was temporarily after that period pulled

00:19:41 from school. And then also that this is when things really started going downhill for him

00:19:45 with his family. He was suddenly prevented from playing with various toys in the house. Like he

00:19:50 wasn't allowed to play with the family's Lego sets. He just had to watch his brothers and

00:19:54 sisters play with the Legos and he wasn't allowed to touch them. And then he, when they moved to a

00:19:59 much bigger mansion after the house made more money, everyone got much bigger rooms and they

00:20:03 were really cool. And at first he was in a room with two of his brothers and he, it was really

00:20:07 cool and it held these like nice furniture and i think to tv in there or something except then he

00:20:11 was moved to a a an air mattress in their unfinished basement next to like all the toilet

00:20:16 paper towels and toilet rolls and excess food and um this is like how did the mom not know that this 0.96

00:20:23 is going to come out for real like what was what was she thinking now she at that point she banned 0.60

00:20:29 all camera crews from going down there but then eventually built walls around one section of the 0.55

00:20:36 basement where she then put a small bed and a camera and a lock on the outside of the door of

00:20:43 this room, but not from the inside. And she would lock him in there for 70% of the time. And this

00:20:49 camera, which was basically a baby monitor, corresponded to a small screen that could be

00:20:53 worn around a wrist. And Kate, the mother, would carry it around with her when she was in the house

00:21:00 and then like handed off to a nanny when a nanny was around instead. And he would have to call and

00:21:07 cry like to the camera if he needed to be let out to go to the bathroom. At one point, no one came

00:21:14 to get him. It was like up to like, I think 11 a.m. on a Saturday morning. And he's locked in this

00:21:20 room. No toys were allowed in the room, only just some books and furniture. That was it. And he

00:21:25 couldn't hold it anymore. And he just he just wet his pants. Meanwhile, he's listening to his kids

00:21:30 like the other like his brothers and sisters getting up eating breakfast playing with toys

00:21:34 watching tv he's locked down there in the basement bursting this is what this is like deeply and

00:21:39 very disturbing yeah so i'm trying to understand why she wanted to have kids in the first place

00:21:45 and what it says is she just deeply wanted to be a mother like it was very much about her identity 1.00

00:21:51 right she was already a mother of twins like i i don't oh by the way she didn't do ivf implantation 0.98

00:21:59 that's how she had sex she did she didn't have sex implanted so it's not as bad as you think it 1.00

00:22:04 was it was a interim insemination iui um so it was that she was on ovulation stimulating medication

00:22:11 that caused uh multiple uh eggs to be fertilized at the same time did more than that i would the

00:22:17 the it's been like a year since i watched the rundown but it was more like they went way way

00:22:22 way too far and and they knew that this was a very real possibility but yeah they they did some

00:22:28 really unethical and really shady stuff and the doctor was an incredibly shady doctor um so no

00:22:33 it's not as innocent as what you're hearing and what you're hearing is probably spin that she's

00:22:36 put out online but yeah so let me catch up to where i was right in addition to him being isolated

00:22:43 in this basement room after he was taken out of school and all of this happened because he

00:22:47 basically tried to tell someone that he was being abused because he was being physically abused to

00:22:53 the point where bruises were showing up at public school my my uh brother had bruises on his ear at

00:22:58 public school not a public school private school i remember wasn't that from the private school

00:23:02 teachers no it was from uh we had um caretakers oh from your nanny help from the philippines 0.72

00:23:08 yeah and they're more into corporal punishment than americans are yeah um and so they had they

00:23:13 had boxed his ears and my parents got mad at them but did did cps think that your did child

00:23:18 protective services think that your parents were the ones boxing his ears and they got in trouble

00:23:22 for that yeah the um did they what did your parents get suspected of child abuse because

00:23:30 your brother was beaten by his nannies oh no okay okay uh i mean we're in texas you know so

00:23:38 uh so whatever but by the way this is what you're thinking so the ultrasound showed three

00:23:43 mature follicles with the possibility of a fourth and the doctor offered them an out to cancel the

00:23:48 cycle and stop the meds and to try later aiming at fewer follicles bringing the case book multiple

00:23:54 blessings the doctor said it was statistically very unlikely that three or four would fertilize

00:23:59 uh they chose to go ahead with it anyway um so i mean maybe he should have no no no no it no it

00:24:05 definitely went down different than that and you're quoting from her book um there's you're right i

00:24:10 will try to find the the gynecologist's overview of it and i'll add it in post okay so what simone

00:24:17 was remembering here was a self-published book called kate gosling how she fooled the world by

00:24:23 robert hoffman who's a tabloid writer and a friend and associate of john gosling and he

00:24:30 argues that he searched through her trash can and found hard drives which showed that she was

00:24:36 self-administering hcg which can cause high levels of stimulation but basically there's there's no

00:24:44 outside evidence of this and simone really wanted me to add this in post so i went into it again

00:24:51 i just couldn't find evidence of what she wanted me to find evidence of that i thought was

00:24:55 incredible okay and i could be wrong in thinking of of a different like octomom or something so

00:25:02 if i'm wrong then that's that's me and and this is it and this is correct but anyway it's it's

00:25:07 still deeply unethical what she did especially because she knew what she was doing she was a 0.81

00:25:10 nurse she so after he gets taken out of school put basically in the dungeon locked away she's also

00:25:17 kate decided to put him on a bunch of meds he alleges in his book that around age 11 he had

00:25:24 been given a daily cocktail of psychiatric drugs that he wasn't fully informed about and he later

00:25:30 learned that he was prescribed over 13 medications including antipsychotics mood stabilizers

00:25:36 antidepressants and anti-anxiety drugs i was as a kid as well yeah so let's um let's list

00:25:40 you can tell me if any of these are familiar he was on aproprazole which is an anti-psychotic

00:25:48 um he was on lamotrigin lamotrigin yeah i took lamotrigin which is a mood stabilizer

00:25:53 he was on lorazepam anti-anxiety i don't i don't think i took that one your mom

00:25:59 your mom took lorazepam and then she once gave it to me and said take this um it'll help you

00:26:06 sleep on the overnight flight over to the UK back to Cambridge and I thought it was an Ambien

00:26:10 and I took it and I had the worst drug reaction I've ever had in my life I thought my body was

00:26:18 like itching like or like gonna burst out from the inside it was like a really bad drug trip

00:26:27 and i'm like just writhing on the entire flight over yeah she gave me something that gave me a

00:26:33 terrible trip she's like oh let's not have you sleep on a plane okay so you also had the same

00:26:38 uh her flight i bet i bet there must be some known like this must be a known um lorazepam

00:26:44 response she probably was on some crazy high dose so like we're taking like some out of nowhere

00:26:50 crazy high dose of lorazepam and having a probably what was typically a very but that was that was

00:26:55 oh my gosh so you went through it that was horrifying and to go through that on an airplane

00:26:59 and you're like I'm gonna die I'm definitely gonna die I'm like how do I prevent myself

00:27:05 from opening one of these doors like that's what I'm thinking like yes actually though tie my hands

00:27:10 I am not of sound mind right now how is this an anti-anxiety drug I do not understand

00:27:15 someone will explain the most anxious you could possibly see I know I know

00:27:19 on an airplane honestly if i think about like which night of my life was more horrifying the

00:27:26 night the the night where like that we'll see like the 30 hour period where i was in labor

00:27:31 like unmedicated but induced labor in that intense pain so intense i was vomiting

00:27:35 or my lorazepam might i was more afraid the lorazepam i swear oh my gosh my mom and her 1.00

00:27:47 her her loose use of severe psychoactive substances like for real also boomer women

00:27:54 and drugs and they don't need to tie them down i for real um so also he was on well butrin he was

00:28:04 on busaparone hcl and also quetiapine firmate which is another antipsychotic and he describes

00:28:17 difficulty swallowing these pills as this little 11 year old boy she would make him walk up to her

00:28:23 room which no one was allowed to enter so she he would approach her no hold on before this but when

00:28:29 he was in the military later they redid all the tests because they were like why are you on all

00:28:32 this medication and they're like you don't test positive for anything yeah that was the same as

00:28:36 me like as an adult i was like i'm gonna go to a doctor my mom isn't paying and didn't choose

00:28:40 they're like you don't you don't test for anything yeah no that's the thing as to what caused my mom

00:28:45 to believe this was i was too happy and excitable if you've seen videos of our kids they are very

00:28:51 happy and excitable if you've seen me as an adult i'm very happy they didn't like that and they were

00:28:56 like stop being happy stop running around stop screaming stop that so you know they they were

00:29:02 like well we'll make you stop with medication then you won't be so happy and well here's the

00:29:08 crazy thing because you said that you were on um you were on lamotrigine you still were um because

00:29:13 you hadn't you hadn't actually gone and got this you just still believed her when we met you were

00:29:17 like i have to keep taking nothing when we met compared to no you were taking lamotrigine and

00:29:22 And you had terrifying symptoms.

00:29:23 I was not taking Lamotrigine.

00:29:25 It was a different drug.

00:29:27 And it was a very light drug that I was taking when we met.

00:29:29 Well, what was the one you took?

00:29:30 I don't remember which one it was when we met.

00:29:32 It was for seizures?

00:29:34 He was also on an anti-seizure drug.

00:29:36 Yeah, that was way later, a way softer drug than whatever my mom had.

00:29:40 Well, whatever it was, it would paralyze me at night.

00:29:43 Yeah, it was terrible.

00:29:44 And obviously, I'm glad I don't take anything anymore.

00:29:46 It was freaking horrifying.

00:29:48 Like, I can't remember exactly.

00:29:49 i just remember something like every now and then something terrifying would happen to you at night

00:29:53 and i'd have to like watch you to make sure you didn't die or stop breathing what was that

00:29:58 and then we're kind of like paralyzed or something or like hey malcolm maybe stop taking this because

00:30:03 this is really not safe but you were like well my mom said and then yeah and it turns out you

00:30:07 didn't need any of it um that you you and this is the thing i i looked to see if there was an

00:30:13 industry of this of like because there's here clearly a pattern she had prescribed gotten

00:30:18 these drugs prescribed to him and also even now when people are coming out with this like she's

00:30:23 always she's like no my son was a danger to himself and his family he was you know diagnosed

00:30:29 with all these conditions uh and had which later was not diagnosed with it was her no like provably

00:30:35 and and even the dad and colin are like no this was all made up so if what appears to be happening

00:30:43 at scale here because it happened with kate it happened with your mom is there all these forums

00:30:47 and websites that basically walk you through just how there are websites that walk through like,

00:30:53 okay, so you want to get like trans treatment, right? As, as a kid or something, like you have

00:30:57 to say this to a doctor and go to this particular doctor and say these three things and exactly this

00:31:02 wording, and then you'll get the meds. So there is an equivalent of this for mothers who don't 0.68

00:31:08 like the way their kids are acting and want to medicate them. And there are like Facebook groups

00:31:12 and forums and reddit threads and all these websites that are like okay go to these doctors

00:31:18 and say these four things and use this exact wording and collect like this you know give

00:31:24 these stories about your kids behavior and you'll get them the drug like the the diagnosis and then

00:31:31 the medications that will like presumably kind of blitz them into being you know they what they

00:31:37 basically want to do is mentally lobotomize them but since lobotomies aren't legal anymore

00:31:43 they're just doing it with drugs and what she would do to him as he was ordered to approach

00:31:48 her bedroom door but never enter it no one was allowed to enter her her bedroom um what was she 0.99

00:31:54 would put the pills in his mouth and then plug his ear and then like rub her um handle like along his

00:32:00 throat he he described this as like he saw people do that to dogs to get dogs to swallow pills in

00:32:06 the past and she was doing that to him this poor 11 year old boy forcing these pills down his

00:32:10 throat um and it sort of made him feel obviously horrible so i was just checking to see who has

00:32:17 um backed this or not backed this so we have uh john gosling the husband says that one his son

00:32:26 is not mentally ill and he observed some of this behavior and a former housekeeper uh identified

00:32:31 reporting as ashley has come forward saying she saw kate treat colin differently grab him pull his

00:32:36 ear and that she reported kate to child and youth services at around 2013 she described it as physical

00:32:42 and psychological abuse and said she believed others also reported concerns um so you don't

00:32:48 need you can see it in the show and this is what people who are reacting to the book are going on

00:32:53 about they're like i saw this in the show and it's just like now you're getting more detail that a lot

00:32:58 of people knew this book was coming basically because you could see the differential treatment

00:33:03 and there's all these there's even episodes of the show or like even large portions of things

00:33:08 where he's just missing where is he i don't know um or he's apart from the rest of the kids and

00:33:14 and it now that you see it in context all of it suddenly clicks and makes a lot of sense

00:33:18 um at any rate at age 11 he gets so fed up and desperate with his life um living this separate

00:33:26 life that he um attempted to escape from his dungeon basement managed to slip out through

00:33:35 a very small basement window outside uh his room and then started running down the street and

00:33:42 realized that oh my mom she like pays off the police like you know she gives them donuts and 0.74

00:33:47 she's on friendly terms with them and they always wave at her because she's like a tv celebrity so

00:33:51 they all love her and you know all the neighbors are kind of you know in with her too and so he

00:33:57 just turns around and walks back defeated and the nannies are waiting outside for him and they they

00:34:02 call his mother and she comes home from wherever she is and zip ties his hands and his ankles

00:34:08 and berates him throws him to the the floor where he falls really hard on his tailbone

00:34:15 and just is is incredibly cool to him she says she pulled him up by the wrists and then threw

00:34:20 him back down, like tossed him to the floor and then left him alone for an incredibly long time

00:34:25 in his, in his, uh, Oh, I didn't know that they stopped him from going to school after the school

00:34:29 did the investigation. Yeah. They took him out. So that that's, that's the point at which they

00:34:32 took him out and she locked him in the basement for 70% of the time. And they, they did give him

00:34:37 a tutor. So he was like technically legally homeschooled. Um, and he came to really like

00:34:42 that tutor and they had like this one person he could trust. And then one day, uh, cause he didn't

00:34:47 know he didn't think that the tutor was aware of how he was being abused and of course he didn't

00:34:51 think he could tell anyone at this point because he would be punished so severely again you know

00:34:56 if he told anyone and so he didn't say anything and then at one point um kate told her to lock

00:35:01 him up in his in his cell after something because she was going to be gone and to be locked up in

00:35:06 his cell by this one person that he thought that like maybe he probably harbored hope that she

00:35:11 would help him get out if he was really super desperate like he had an out yeah a safe word

00:35:16 but no he didn't he had no way out and yeah so also in addition to being locked down there like

00:35:21 he was up like this 30 percent of the time where he was out of his cell if he wasn't going to the

00:35:27 bathroom or getting homeschooled by another jailer who was in on it apparently he was also given a

00:35:33 lot more chores so he wouldn't get to eat with the rest of the kids he had to eat separately from

00:35:37 them and then he had to also do a bunch of cleanup that they didn't have to do everyone was given

00:35:42 chores but he was given more and then uh kate would drag him around the house he wrote like

00:35:46 like he was her servant and he he was just super isolated from the rest of his family

00:35:52 and then just days before his 12th birthday he was taken by ems like tied down to a gurney and

00:36:01 put in an ambulance and taken to a behavioral like health facility um where kids just kind of

00:36:08 sat there and rotted and watched tv i mean obviously it was way more luxurious than like

00:36:12 the prison camp you were sent to as a kid yeah the multiple prison camps i was sent to as a kid

00:36:16 yeah like he got a way better treatment than me um yeah no i knew about those those facilities

00:36:22 like the ones that he's talking about and they're way more lux than the place that i was they're

00:36:25 just typical i wouldn't say they're typical but they're like typical like mental health places

00:36:29 where you're locked up which isn't fun but yeah well he had a he had a bed he had a shower kit

00:36:33 he had just one roommate it's pretty nice compared to what i know compared to what you

00:36:38 yeah and like they even gave him like you know snacks and food like it wasn't healthy he gained

00:36:42 a ton of weight they medicated them all to high heaven but like he at least wasn't wasn't out in

00:36:49 the desert eating moss whatever it was you were eating to survive yeah so yeah then he got

00:36:56 transferred to a different place and eventually his medications were slightly reduced and then

00:37:00 i mean thank goodness after a while he he went to live with his dad entered the military that

00:37:05 was the point at which because in order to enter the military you have to show that you're mentally

00:37:10 fit um and you know they're like well what's up you're on all these meds this is why we know

00:37:14 pretty factually and logically that he doesn't have these conditions that kate continues to assert

00:37:20 that he has so let's get to her pushback like how is this military right like the military would

00:37:25 notice any of this if he was a danger to other people that's what the military is they're not

00:37:29 going to hand a gun to a guy who's danger a danger to himself and others there's some crazy people in

00:37:34 the military but i think that uniquely because he came in saying i have all these diagnoses they

00:37:39 would have vetted him oh definitely yeah um so kate's public response has not been she hasn't

00:37:45 gone out and been like okay point by point i'm denying these things probably because she can't

00:37:49 but she has been very indirectly defensive and and and giving very like medical and safety related

00:37:56 rationale for her past decisions and she's focused on his mental illness which we all know wasn't

00:38:00 true so it's really crazy but she's really just trying to like paint this like no like she's

00:38:06 continuing to try to gaslight well this is the woman thing and we need to talk about women here 1.00

00:38:10 okay um women will make stuff up if it's what they feel like if they make a decision 1.00

00:38:18 they will often after making the decision attempt to and note i'm saying this

00:38:25 differentially women do this i'm not saying oh men yeah men do this too not all men not all women

00:38:31 averages etc but differentially i have seen women make decisions based on what they want in the

00:38:38 moment then build a narrative of why that decision made sense and this can be really damaging to a

00:38:46 guy if you just generically believe women right like you're like well she's she's affection for

00:38:52 me therefore if she's telling me like i need to fix x about myself she might just be saying you 0.53

00:38:56 need to fix x about yourself as an explanation for why she did something bad maybe something 1.00

00:39:01 you don't even know about like cheat on you um that's why she's so mad at you uh because that's 1.00

00:39:06 actually a normal thing if your wife is like mad at you for like no reason um or blaming you for 1.00

00:39:12 cheating like the typical first response is you should check if she's cheating or if she just had

00:39:18 a dream in which she did the thing that made her mad it's not famous um famously a reason i don't 0.97

00:39:24 know i'm just going by what i've heard online but simone doesn't do it very frequently thanks

00:39:29 you do do it sometimes uh where i'm like simone you shouldn't do this and then you get all

00:39:37 breakdowning or like you're always going after me and i'm like i really i'm not i'm pretty

00:39:43 supportive of you i occasionally criticize specific things um but uh so what i will say

00:39:50 is is there's no perfect woman out there um but uh the the it's simone's pretty close to one

00:39:57 yeah so you shouldn't expect that you've got you've got to learn to contain and deal with 1.00

00:40:02 the fact that women be crazy uh that's that's the reality of the situation because women be crazy 1.00

00:40:07 i stick with the people what a bunch of bastards especially boomer women keep in mind you're 1.00

00:40:13 combining two the dangerous yeah it's the double whammy yeah boomer being a boomer and i don't 1.00

00:40:19 know if she's actually a boomer but she acts like one and dresses like one and and and being a woman 0.86

00:40:24 right you know what and being a white woman nonetheless you know lacks the sanity of some 1.00

00:40:29 of the i guess she's probably technically gen x but yeah i hear you i hear you um yeah she so 1.00

00:40:36 basically what were her arguments she she says that she frames the things that she that colin

00:40:43 describes in the book including the basement arrangements and the institutionalization

00:40:46 as following allegedly the explicit recommendations of his pediatric psychiatrist

00:40:53 and specialists which i don't believe uh but no i can believe that totally this is downstream of

00:41:00 like my mom constantly if you're going to one of these specialists who will just like give you more

00:41:05 and more and more medications because they believe that if you report that a child is doing things

00:41:10 that you don't want that child to be doing that there must be something wrong with the child that

00:41:15 they can fix through get doing stuff they're locking him in a basement isolating him from

00:41:21 yeah because you say look i've got seven other kids in the house you know um this one is a danger

00:41:26 to all of the others um and they'd say well then i guess you need to separate them from the others

00:41:31 and remember that when he had the nice room he shared it with other kids if you tell the

00:41:36 pediatrician he's a danger to other kids then you can get approval for stuff like this

00:41:40 well at least colin and and john his father have stated that later independent psychiatric

00:41:47 evaluations, including ones relevant to his military service, to your point, found that he

00:41:52 did not meet the criteria for any of those conditions. But she maintains that her role

00:41:56 was limited to just consenting to what was medically necessary and that the steps protected

00:42:02 the entire family and people who have experienced similar mental illness things would just

00:42:08 understand. And she emphasizes that her other children know who she was truly and points to

00:42:14 the professional diagnoses and safety concerns.

00:42:16 So what she would need to get my sympathy on this,

00:42:20 and it's something that she hasn't been providing,

00:42:22 is any evidence at all that he did anything

00:42:25 that put his other siblings in danger?

00:42:27 Yeah, yeah, there's not like,

00:42:28 oh, here's this instance of, you know,

00:42:30 when he almost gouged out the eye of his brother.

00:42:34 In fact, in the book, there are cases to the opposite effect.

00:42:38 So there was this one instance in Cancun

00:42:40 when they were like filming something for one of the shows,

00:42:44 and they were sitting in a car while kate went into some store with her bodyguard and um who

00:42:52 she was probably having an affair with i guess and at one point he starts fighting with one of

00:42:57 his sisters and his sister just starts clawing at his face oh my god his face gets like literally

00:43:03 all cut up and bloody and he remembers how hot his face felt with all the blood on it

00:43:07 and he and there i think there were two nannies in the van at this point she comes back to the

00:43:13 car and they're like oh he just started going crazy and scratching his face and his sister's

00:43:17 like yeah he's being crazy and everyone just piled in on him blaming him for clawing his own face and

00:43:24 he's like look how i do i don't even have long nails like and his sister had clearly long nails

00:43:29 i'm like i didn't do this and you can even tell in later footage of the episode where this all

00:43:35 happens on this vacation there's some scene on the beach where he's separate and distant from

00:43:40 the rest of them uh kind of milling about by himself while everyone else is playing in the

00:43:44 foreground and he her kate's own makeup artist had like plastered foundation over his face to try to

00:43:52 hide the scratch marks oh so the reason why they all blamed it on him and not the sisters for the

00:43:57 film crew they didn't want the film crew to be like i don't know i don't know it does seem that

00:44:01 the most the people who are most familiar with the abuse that was taking place were the nannies

00:44:05 and tutors they they did know what was going on because they're carrying around the camera showing

00:44:10 him in his cell as he begs to be let out to go pee and they're the ones who are sitting in the van

00:44:15 whereas the camera crew was forbade they she forbade them from entering the basement and all

00:44:20 these other things so i think they knew less of what was going on though they probably had their

00:44:24 suspicions but they were making so much money they probably just didn't care which which is insane to

00:44:29 me because like even with i mean if you're familiar with hollywood kids the camera crew here

00:44:34 you know maybe no no because no hollywood kids even at that period when they were filming all

00:44:39 this stuff in like the 20 or the naughties or whatever like 2010s there were heavy heavy

00:44:43 regulations around how much kids could work maybe less with reality tv i know there's more laws now

00:44:47 but like the documentary crew that films with our kids here they're all parents uh or most of them

00:44:53 are they love our kids our kids hang out with them our kids love everybody who meets our kids

00:44:58 loves our kids we have like but like they care like if they thought that we were abusing our

00:45:03 kids i'm pretty sure they would like do something you know i mean i think they they don't think

00:45:08 we're perfect and i don't know what's going to happen to us when this thing comes out but like

00:45:11 they it's it's bizarre to me that this film crew who i could only imagine have getting getting

00:45:17 attached to the kids would be okay with any of this um but somehow they let it happen i hold on

00:45:23 so i'm gonna push back here it's a film our film crew gets attached to our kids specifically

00:45:29 because our kids are very pro-social very confident our kids have almost severely injured

00:45:39 several of them true and that's part of this this kid may have simply not interacted with

00:45:45 the film crew much oh just been very distant you think yeah some kids are just you know timid and

00:45:50 you're not gonna build the same sympathy for a timid kid a lot of what got him in trouble

00:45:54 initially like what was seen as behavioral problems is he was very reticent to get involved

00:45:59 in the documentary he really didn't like like being interviewed he he described her as he was

00:46:04 being interviewed you know on like the confessional chair um her sitting you know right behind the

00:46:09 cameraman being like like you have to smile like putting her her fingers you know at the sides of

00:46:14 her mouth and like pointing upwards to like yeah like you had to smile uh which is terrifying and

00:46:19 there's all these shots of him um in the show just looking so listless and sad he like his father

00:46:24 john really didn't want to be a part of this and was very reticent i think that's part of like what

00:46:28 initially made her be like i need to medicate him he's not acting the way i want because you know

00:46:32 she this was her livelihood they didn't have jobs after they had these kids they just made

00:46:36 tlc they're gonna be very hard to i guess yeah you can't if she was a nurse you can't support

00:46:43 no well i mean no and the way that she wanted like i said they're like the classic combo nurse

00:46:49 and fireman there's always a parent home it's the perfect career combo anyway whatever uh two of my

00:46:54 cousins ended up in arrangement the two of my cousins became nurses they were girls our girls

00:46:59 and married firemen how many of our watchers are nurse firemen combinations i wonder yeah i wonder

00:47:05 this is like this secret pronatalist combo that allows for we have like a bunch of like somebody

00:47:09 was like oh my god watching malcolm struggle was like a basic like screwing something together he's

00:47:14 like i could do that in my sleep and yet he has no problem with all this ai coding stuff

00:47:18 and i'm like easy your farmer nonsense is hard i don't know how anyone could find that easy

00:47:24 well yeah it's uh but we have we have a lot of like a traditional men 0.94

00:47:29 here's to all the man men who are firemen and policemen and shoot bad guys

00:47:39 great oh yeah it was a policeman one married a policeman and one married a fireman you know

00:47:46 got me on the show i was just i was recently on um archcast great guy love him anyway so he uh

00:47:53 like people could be like malcolm you have such a gay voice it's so gay your voice and i'm like

00:47:59 whatever man i got the voice i got okay i'm not gonna i'm not gonna present myself with anything 0.91

00:48:04 other than what i am yeah we're just gonna have to go down on the internet is that that cute

00:48:07 lesbian i want to be like look if i'm same-sex attracted i've got a wife and five kids okay so

00:48:13 like clearly i on a harder difficulty setting than you beat you with the morality game okay i guess 0.57

00:48:21 yeah who has more kids in the end uh you know what i'm not just even from a christian morality

00:48:25 framework right you know wife and five kids that the bible doesn't say don't be same-sex attracted 0.99

00:48:31 it says don't be gay right yeah i just i just think your slutty background doesn't imply that 0.98

00:48:36 you're same-sex attracted your body count doesn't imply that but like i'm not a parade of people 0.98

00:48:42 thinking i'm saying i know i well no that's look okay context some griper clip maker uh put some

00:48:49 clip up of malcolm ranting against nick fuentes and me defending him and malcolm drink milk during 0.97

00:48:56 this clip and everyone's just like who are these ugly lesbians and why is he drinking milk and 0.97

00:49:02 like how dare he this is the thing of of of all of us there are i agree that i look effeminate and 0.99

00:49:11 i sound kind of gay sometimes but if you are standing one person on earth who unilaterally 0.86

00:49:20 looks more effeminate and talk gayer than me it's nick stop no we we want to have him on it would 0.89

00:49:27 be great for nick fuentes to come on the show why are you being so mean i think so a lot of other

00:49:32 people have asked us explicitly not to have him on the show why yeah that's true that is true

00:49:38 Because we are seen as the pro-natalist figureheads, and having him on the show, even though we don't like this framing and this way of doing things, could end up as other people seen as associating the pro-natalist movement with Nick Fuentes or the Gropers. 0.85

00:49:53 Yeah, I just, I strongly, I strongly am against the whole we don't talk to them thing. 0.79

00:50:02 I agree.

00:50:02 I think that's a deeply toxic thing.

00:50:04 I think anyone can get him on the show, reach it out.

00:50:07 We'll, we'll take him.

00:50:08 If there is the, the, the, the, the best get you can get as a podcaster, as, as, as anyone

00:50:14 who talks about things that are tangentially intellectual is someone who is both very prominent

00:50:19 and listened to, but also with whom you deeply disagree.

00:50:22 Okay.

00:50:23 Those are the best people to talk with.

00:50:24 And that's why I feel like he's never going to come now because you're being mean to him.

00:50:31 No, he doesn't care about that.

00:50:32 all the people who he does stuff he's done stuff with destiny and tucker carlson look the first

00:50:36 time he ever mentioned you he was super nice to you he was but his entire campaign is preventing

00:50:42 our side from winning and i want to win but he was nice to you i guess that's not i look at things

00:50:50 more consequentially than that simone if you're talking people out of having kids that's a huge

00:50:54 issue for me if you're talking people out of getting married that's a huge issue for me and 0.98

00:50:57 talk with him about it maybe he would like actually change his stance like oh shit like 0.95

00:51:02 i didn't i didn't realize it okay i get it like you point things out to me all the time where 0.98

00:51:06 you're like simon you understand you're causing collateral damage here with this why why are you

00:51:11 holding the stance like this isn't the this isn't the own you think it is and i appreciate that and

00:51:15 i think a lot of people do things like that where they don't realize the damage of their actions

00:51:19 until someone's like did you realize that you're kind of like causing this thing to happen and it's

00:51:23 it doesn't actually make you look that good and you know like i don't know whatever anyway yeah

00:51:30 okay um yeah no i mean maybe maybe he can be logics into a logical position like that would 0.71

00:51:34 be that'd be great right actually like no anyway here's what kate has done like actions that people

00:51:40 have reported on in the gossip rags um under one tiktok video a tiktok video entirely devoted to 1.00

00:51:47 her ranting about her pet dogs because that's what matters to her apparently she replied to fans 0.75

00:51:54 calling the claims terrible lies or offering support. And she wrote, thank you so much. I know

00:52:00 rational, logical people or anyone who has dealt with mental illness understands what's going on

00:52:07 here, smiley face. She liked to comment calling, stating that Colin would quote, regret all of

00:52:13 this someday, that he'd been encouraged and enabled by other dysfunctional and mentally ill people 0.58

00:52:18 and that the situation was gross. She replied, exactly. I had nothing to do with it except 0.94

00:52:23 for consent because it was medically necessary if she's not if she's not denying it so her claim

00:52:30 is basically yeah i did all of this but he was a danger to his siblings which requires some

00:52:35 evidence that he was a danger to his siblings which she's not providing to a fan advising her

00:52:40 she didn't have to address the elephant in the room she responded positively thank you kissy face

00:52:46 emoji and then in later comments uh just a couple days ago she wrote variations of i know who i am

00:52:52 and my kids know who I truly am and me.

00:52:54 And that's all that matters.

00:52:55 They have no idea how lucky they are

00:52:57 if they have no idea what it's like having a child

00:53:00 or relative with mental illness.

00:53:01 I feel like that's something your mom 0.95

00:53:02 could have said about you. 1.00

00:53:04 Mental illness. 1.00

00:53:05 Mental illness. 1.00

00:53:05 Maybe you're the mentally ill one. 1.00

00:53:07 That's, I mean, was my mom most clearly 1.00

00:53:09 that she had a mental illness issue, not me, 0.90

00:53:11 but a lot of women with mental illnesses, 0.97

00:53:13 they project that on the people around them 0.97

00:53:15 because they feel an emotion and they're like,

00:53:18 oh, this emotion is what's true.

00:53:20 therefore if my kid is acting in a way that is out alignment with my own emotional state

00:53:25 then there's something wrong with the kid even if their own emotions are fluctuating wildly or

00:53:29 not coherent with reality yeah yeah i will say if i'm going to point out anything sus about this

00:53:35 i'll point out a few sus things that could make me one the fact that everyone in the car blamed him

00:53:42 now there are cases of abuse in families and stuff like this but this also sounds a little

00:53:47 suspicious like there's more to that story than he's letting on oh he was no he admits in the

00:53:52 book to being an obstinate child and and the second one is the tutor who he said he trusted

00:53:59 thinking it was safe to lock him in his room that that was the safer option that almost indicates

00:54:05 to me that he had demonstrated something to that tutor that made the tutor cohere with the mom's

00:54:10 belief that it was safer to lock him up even when he vouched for that tutor's morality

00:54:17 and logical coherence i mean up until then but also he's a kid you know and if this is one person

00:54:23 who shows you a little bit of kindness but yeah i mean i he he does not glaze over the reality that

00:54:30 he was an obstinate kid and that he didn't get in trouble a lot obstinate to justify this but

00:54:38 dangerous to justify this and that's where yeah there there is no there is no clear evidence of

00:54:44 that but on days she would have coming here here's what i can see something like this happens

00:54:48 we've had some children that some days just spaz out and act terrible during filming and it makes

00:54:54 us look terrible because if you're forcing a kid to do something people are like oh that's the scene

00:54:58 and so uh if you didn't care and you had cameras in your house every day

00:55:04 it may make sense just to lock a kid in the basement where filming isn't allowed to happen

00:55:09 uh to allow you to get the shots you need that yeah but like just don't do it i mean throw him

00:55:16 one of our our there are various ai backslash os we have a wonderful android operating system that

00:55:22 could have uh allowed him to educate himself while he was locked up specifically mudpuppy.ai

00:55:29 backslash os um and it allows you to flush like old android tablets and phones and stuff like that

00:55:35 with a operating system that allows kids to watch all you know documentaries and cartoons from the

00:55:42 90s and they get points for watching documentaries and talking about them with an ai and then

00:55:48 they spend the points on cartoons it's pretty good it's pretty good our kids love it yeah no

00:55:53 if she could just like have made his his cell a little bit more comfortable but yeah she could 1.00

00:56:00 not do that but i think the bigger question here and the larger theme of this women are terrible 1.00

00:56:05 episode is why do women think that they can do this um and and what doesn't make sense to me 1.00

00:56:12 again is that the film crew probably knew about this even though they weren't allowed to enter 1.00

00:56:15 the basement because she wasn't able to do it she got her bag she's not even making money anymore 0.92

00:56:19 well no here's the thing though is i actually think she just she she she got away with it like 1.00

00:56:26 she she did get it she the women think they can do this because they do and can and and they get 1.00

00:56:34 away with this. When we did the, when we talked about the woman who strangled her children in her 0.99

00:56:41 basement, whatever her name was, there were people who came forward and told us of similar things

00:56:47 that had happened with their families who then got off really easy, like basically didn't really

00:56:55 serve time. And I think we live in a society that gives way too much leeway for abuse and crimes

00:57:03 probably for complicated reasons i think for one reason like there isn't much of an alternative

00:57:09 you know like where are the kids going to go the state for example doesn't want to pay for more

00:57:15 kids like that they have to handle through child protective services and stuff and it costs a lot

00:57:21 of money for even for kids to be fostered um even though we don't have orphanages anymore

00:57:26 so i mean yeah he's still probably better with his family than he is in the system

00:57:31 Yeah, I think that's the key problem is we're sort of at this horrific impasse where the government and society at large acknowledges that there is kind of nowhere to, there's nowhere to go.

00:57:46 and so i think especially mothers get away with this horrific abuse because what else is going

00:57:53 to happen to the kid there is no orphanage system there is no benevolent like adoption system there

00:57:58 is no fostering system that doesn't cost the state a ton of money and so they're like well kid like

00:58:05 sorry yeah like what are we supposed to do yeah like whatever i mean like the mother had you and

00:58:11 also just considering to the way that my body my choice seems to extend to live children now

00:58:18 um we just live in this toxic culture where that's not punished and it hasn't been punished

00:58:24 historically as you pointed out when you talked about all the atrocities that mothers commit

00:58:28 what was interesting is we get punished for very light things with our kids they get not punished

00:58:34 for very heavy things and it's because well she was criticized heavily but she also just

00:58:38 internalized it as her identity she's like yeah i'm a tough mom i mean she just identified as a

00:58:42 karen she's like that's just how i am i'm just strict i get angry whereas we we do not identify

00:58:51 yeah you would be embarrassed to treat me that way on camera presumably right like i would be

00:58:56 humiliated whenever i know whenever i like accidentally say something that makes you look

00:59:02 bad which always happens and i really hate that on camera i beat myself up for weeks i'm still

00:59:08 beating myself up for it and yeah that she just like i leaned into the end but also that like she

00:59:15 she clearly hated him and this is another thing i just wish people that hated each other would

00:59:20 not have kids because then they're just going to hate their kids and then those kids are going to

00:59:24 be mistreated just like he was and i this again dark cronadolism only people who deeply love each

00:59:29 other and who deeply want to invest in in giving kids an amazing life should be having kids this

00:59:37 is all very depressing and this is one of those terrible there is no justice in the world we have

00:59:42 to build a better world because i want a world in which only the most well-resourced loving people

00:59:49 are left on this planet and having kids i can't deal with this i can't deal with and here's where

00:59:56 i struggle is on the surface of it kate goslin is a pronatalist like she you said from like some

01:00:04 interview or something she's she i just so wanted to be a mother yeah and yet she seemed to hate

01:00:10 every second of being a mother there's all these clips i really like being a dad having the kids

01:00:17 with us is a lot of fun i love it too i love them so much and i i am not a natural mother i never

01:00:23 saw myself as a mother i i never liked kids i'm not a kid person i'm just like i'm gay for our

01:00:30 kids i love our kids um i i'm a kid person for our kids and i i don't know i don't i don't have

01:00:37 a like solution for this and i desperately want a solution for this because i i hate that this

01:00:40 happened to colin i i it feels so bad looking at these clips of him as this kid just like

01:00:49 constantly having things taken from him um yeah i don't know there's no justice in this world

01:00:57 we have to build a better one and love you uh i am excited for the case case and i have decided

01:01:05 that i'm going to sort through everything in my room and completely clean it up so there's nothing

01:01:09 on the floor or anything like that really all right i might need some more boxes but i think

01:01:17 i can do this okay what inspired this change of heart well i was looking at how nice my new bed

01:01:25 setup is yeah i thought it would be a good narrative for the documentary on us oh but like 0.97

01:01:31 he's making jewelry now he's got to get this shit together yeah yeah wow what do you think 0.96

01:01:37 i mean i would love that especially because the kids want to spend more time with you in your room 0.99

01:01:41 these days um they just want more daddy time because they want to be away from the hag witch 1.00

01:01:46 that is their mother uh i think that um you can be their safe place and they would really like that 0.99

01:01:52 Oh, and I can get a nicer lamp because I've got this cheap one that's like a freaking bulb on a stick. 0.96

01:01:58 I know.

01:01:59 You have a bulb on a stick, and you call it light in a light system.

01:02:02 You just say, Alexa, light on.

01:02:04 If you don't believe me, I literally.

01:02:06 Okay.

01:02:06 Hold on.

01:02:08 Show it.

01:02:09 Show it.

01:02:09 Alexa, light off.

01:02:11 Alexa, light on.

01:02:14 It's just a naked bulb.

01:02:17 Light is the appropriate name for it.

01:02:19 It is light.

01:02:20 Hello, light.

01:02:22 a naked bulb on a stick in the center of my room yeah and i'm just like hey do your thing yeah

01:02:27 it's uh it's cute it's cute uh we should do we should we do an episode about the um alexa slot

01:02:33 people who believe all the conspiracy theories about alexa and all these clips that are just

01:02:37 clearly people using the broadcasting system instead of like i don't know maybe we should

01:02:42 do that oh they think that alexa is like yeah they're like oh my god like she's doing all these

01:02:48 things and it's like they show all these clips of the devices and it's just clear that they're

01:02:51 using the intercom system and there's someone at the other end like pretending to be alexa or

01:02:55 pretending to be the the aliens using alexa devices or something and like everyone the

01:02:59 comments on this like they have they have hundreds of thousands of views people are like this is why

01:03:04 i'll never have a smart device in my house and i'm like you are being you are being you are missing

01:03:09 out smart devices are great they're they're really great as a parent too because then you can just

01:03:13 like shout to the air like ask questions and our kids ask all the time they're like how many days

01:03:17 until this holiday or like also if they don't believe you they'll laugh they'll be like

01:03:24 it's crampus real well they will they will and it's great and they'll get a detailed answer

01:03:29 um and i think it's wonderful like you know how many hearts does an octopus have and i mean i've

01:03:35 learned all sorts of things with them it's really cool like how amazing is it i remember growing up

01:03:39 with my mom and her being like well let's go to the dictionary and look up the word and it was a

01:03:42 whole thing and now we just shout to the air any question we have and get an instant answer why

01:03:46 would you not want to smart to oh my privacy it's always everything's always listening the

01:03:51 outsiders can use your wi-fi router to locate you in your own house why do you think you

01:03:56 we're not gonna get into this i love you ranch i'm gonna go make your quesadilla i love you 0.92

01:04:01 go downstairs slave wife are you not obedient the irony is that like i roll my eyes i'm like 0.65

01:04:10 oh malcolm and like the truth is i just am i'm just gonna go down and make your dinner and then 0.98

01:04:15 i'm gonna clean up everything and you're gonna sit up here and play video games i i'm gonna wipe

01:04:20 the kids i work longer than you this is what i'm talking about no appreciation i'm up here editing

01:04:28 these episodes so that our fans have a chuckle while you're doing nothing but making food do

01:04:34 you know how much i love making food you're playing with the kids and making food and acting

01:04:40 like you're doing the labor while i'm doing the hard part of playing video games while editing

01:04:47 the episode you do actually do a crap ton of work on these episodes and i really appreciate that

01:04:52 she does no editing except for title cards which is great thank you what uh what do you want me

01:04:58 to what do you want to run tomorrow i'll make a title card for it for sure it was the first one

01:05:01 that we did today i loved it fake china work being paying paying to work in china yeah i want to do

01:05:06 that one that was great i gotta show this one the next yeah yeah and uh i will actually i'm

01:05:11 gonna do a cleanup i'm actually gonna do a cleanup so we should buy boxes at bj's tomorrow we need

01:05:16 to get gas boxes popcorn kernels flour and boxes did i say boxes already i'm gonna go i'm gonna

01:05:25 go to sleep no i'm gonna take care of the kids well i'm glad we didn't do bj's today bye bye

01:05:29 just thinking about toasty watching indiana jones and the last crusade and me trying to explain to

01:05:35 him that like it is not techno puritan or christian that the the holy grail would be

01:05:42 decorative because jesus would never buy an expensive cup and octavian's like yes he would

01:05:49 save his money for things that matter and just drink out of a a poor cup poor cup and i'm like

01:05:56 yeah toasty what if we just spent all of our money on really fancy cups instead of plain poor cups

01:06:02 and then we didn't have you because we didn't have the money for it and he's like well that

01:06:05 would be a little bit sad for me that would be a little bit sad for a little bit sad for toasty

01:06:10 oh he didn't exist because we spent our money on vacations instead of children and ivf yeah

01:06:18 if only yeah he was he was a very yeah just getting him out of the hospital was over 135

01:06:24 $35,000.

01:06:27 Really?

01:06:29 That's how much it costs to keep him in the hospital?

01:06:31 That's what the insurance picked up.

01:06:33 That was what was actually billed to insurance.

01:06:34 So that's after all the negotiation that they did.

01:06:37 Thank God insurance covered that.

01:06:39 I know.

01:06:40 But it was a really good health care.

01:06:41 He was born at preemie, and I went to the hospital every day,

01:06:45 and he sat on my chest.

01:06:47 Anyway, I encourage you guys, if you enjoy our content,

01:06:51 to like, subscribe.

01:06:53 We've got weekend episodes where we go over other stuff

01:06:55 that we can't talk about over the weekdays

01:06:57 or that would hurt us in the algo

01:06:58 or that we think people would find boring,

01:07:01 but we find interesting.

01:07:02 No, our people find so offensive

01:07:04 that we're just too afraid to release it to a larger audience.

01:07:07 Oh, we got one of those.

01:07:09 I'm holding to it, though.

01:07:10 I'm not changing my stance.

01:07:12 No, it's so obvious

01:07:14 when you read the various New Testaments against each other.

01:07:18 Yeah.

01:07:19 I'm like, okay, I'm going to read the same story in each of them.

01:07:21 cue and mark cue and mark burn the rest

01:07:25 shall we get into it no but yeah well we can get into it um but no our fab please check us out

01:07:34 like we we have so many features on there so many creative features for art creation uh if you do

01:07:39 coding with an ap with a with a uh vibe coding software you know giving it our api our fab dot

01:07:45 api dot ai backslash api very good we got it working with grok now it wasn't for a while

01:07:50 it allows you all sorts of additional things you can do just ask your ai like what's all the new

01:07:54 stuff you can do for the projects that i'm working on and it'll immediately be like here here and

01:07:57 here oh like what what can i do with the rfab api and then it will yeah and if you just want horny

01:08:02 stories or horny role play we are the the most secure site for that well i use it daily for

01:08:07 image generation because it just has the best suite where like if i need to do multi-ref i can

01:08:12 use i just you know toggle to the right models that allow that and then i switch back to my

01:08:15 favorite model for you know the basic stuff and then because you know all the models typically

01:08:20 make the same mistake with images that i need to use like i need more margin space you just then

01:08:25 you could very easily like take that image and then riff on it it's just it's so convenient

01:08:30 we also have the layout feature which allows you to choose exactly where using a selector you want

01:08:34 different elements of an image to appear in the ai art yeah and that was that was bruno's uh

01:08:39 contribution edition yeah yeah so thank you bruno i love you um but yeah uh it's always adding

01:08:45 something new always adding something new um yes mostly what we've been working on now is features

01:08:50 for the mudpuppy.ai backslash os system the android system for kids it's it's this it's so

01:08:56 it's basically yeah it's a tablet os but it's uh not it's lighter it's lighter weight than that

01:09:02 it's really cool so it's basically a homeschooling platform for your kids um but it also has really

01:09:07 cool features like on the weekend our oldest kid wanted to stay home um when i took the others out

01:09:13 for a walk. And like out from this walk, like on my 5G, I was able to just do a quick video call

01:09:20 straight to his tablet where he was doing homeschooling lessons and just like check in

01:09:23 with him every now and then like show him where we were. It's so cool to be able to do stuff like

01:09:27 that. And also to know, like I was able to check in as we're going on our walk. Okay, here's what

01:09:32 he's learning right now. Here are the questions he's answering correctly and incorrectly. Oh,

01:09:36 hey, that was a pretty good answer on his part. All these sorts of things. And it's so cool,

01:09:41 especially when you have a big family to have basically a dashboard where you can see what

01:09:45 everyone is up to uh at any given time it even gives you updates on the locations of the tablets

01:09:50 like assuming that your kids are out and about with their tablets or you can also flash it onto

01:09:54 like old phones of yours um too so anyway it's super cool highly recommended love it and uh

01:10:01 we're gonna keep improving it because the kids have to use it it's just so much better than the

01:10:05 best-in-class homeschooling software that i was using before which genuinely sucks it's so bad

01:10:11 but it was the best that there was and so we just made a better one hooray

01:10:15 love you i love you too you think it's done

01:10:19 you want to do more okay good do do a couple more times

01:10:24 you gave tex the lead

01:10:27 oh tex are you commuting with nature

01:10:31 You want to push Tex? You want to push him somewhere? I think you're mostly hanging.

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Based Camp - November 11, 2026

Women： “It's Not Torture if They're MY Kids!” (Kate Plus 8)

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