Blood Satellite - 4D Chess is QTardation we Owe Ourselves

00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be

00:00:07.720 blood satellite something occurred during the millennial canadian banquet that's really stuck 1.00

00:00:25.300 in my craw yeah was it all the dumb gay shit i didn't listen 1.00

00:00:29.700 you just stir in the pot for the heck of it this is a man who's always got his hand in a stirring 1.00

00:00:37.240 motion he's got to put a pot under it no man i got left high and dry to the vultures of circumstance

00:00:44.500 like i there's one line i had and it gave me nothing we were talking about we're talking

00:00:53.060 We're talking about how aboriginals in Canada get away with everything because of, you know, all the the judgments that are taking into account their racial trauma and stuff.

00:01:04.680 And so there's cases of young murders getting away and getting off of manslaughter and stuff. 0.96

00:01:11.500 And I said to a jury of my peers, I said, you got aboriginals over here getting away with 30 life for man's laughter. 1.00

00:01:21.140 For everyone up on this fucking dais is going to get through your life for man's laughter. 1.00

00:01:29.400 What does them kill you? 1.00

00:01:31.820 Simply make use. 0.85

00:01:33.840 Legalize nuclear bombs.

00:01:36.040 Just tumbleweeds.

00:01:37.880 You said it out loud and nobody laughed.

00:01:40.460 That's awful.

00:01:40.780 I said them.

00:01:41.500 They just stared at their cameras. 1.00

00:01:43.740 Absolutely tasteless assholes. 1.00

00:01:46.640 Unbelievable. 1.00

00:01:46.920 You'd think that, because this isn't a one-on-one thing.

00:01:49.180 There's like five guys there.

00:01:50.760 I'm like, give me one.

00:01:52.780 Couldn't do it.

00:01:53.660 Wouldn't do it.

00:01:54.720 You'd think the guy leaning back in his rented BMW with his wraparound sunglasses would have more of a sense of humor.

00:02:01.120 Judas is the master of physiognomy, but even more than that, of fashion.

00:02:06.220 If he sees a guy, and I'm the same way.

00:02:09.040 If I see someone show up with a newsboy cap on, into the bin.

00:02:13.520 Yep.

00:02:14.480 I see someone wearing the wrong kind of shades.

00:02:17.200 There's a time and a place for news. 0.84

00:02:18.340 if you if you see like a grimy irish carpenter with a news bike cap i'll buy it but everybody 0.93

00:02:23.180 else no it's got to go you it's like i used to wear those like in my 20s i think every 20 year

00:02:28.240 old white guy goes through a phase maybe they wear one but like you can't do it it's part of this is 0.77

00:02:33.920 you and i have both been through so many retarded idiosyncratic fashion trends as teenagers and 0.99

00:02:40.620 young men we're allowed to now mock especially men who are older than us doing the same shit 0.98

00:02:45.820 like they just discovered it like they just 1.00

00:02:47.700 discovered fucking Ray-Bans or something 0.99

00:02:49.580 back then I'm wearing the newsboy cap we're hanging 0.99

00:02:51.680 out in street corners smoking cigarettes 0.99

00:02:53.980 seeing the whole damn 1.00

00:02:55.740 system is corrupt wearing 1.00

00:02:57.500 trench coats and such

00:02:59.220 which is still true and we still say that a lot

00:03:01.520 now we're hanging out on in front of our computer 0.99

00:03:03.620 saying the whole damn system is corrupt 0.99

00:03:05.800 I love how we our politics haven't 1.00

00:03:13.840 fucking changed in like 20 years 0.95

00:03:16.240 Not since we were teenagers, yeah. 0.99

00:03:17.960 I don't know if I ever said this on the show,

00:03:19.540 but I really credit you for being, like, red-pilled early.

00:03:25.780 Like, back in the day, you were talking.

00:03:28.640 In the day.

00:03:29.320 Like, we were all kind of into conspiracy theories,

00:03:31.060 but you came with the receipts on conspiracy theories.

00:03:34.680 And, like, it was just you in a room full of kind of, you know,

00:03:38.000 weekend warriors like us.

00:03:39.520 But you were the guy, as far as I'm concerned.

00:03:42.260 I have always been the guy who just hated everyone.

00:03:45.220 I do remember being, like, 17 and dropping acid on the roof and saying to Ray and Vob, like, oh, this city is hell and wants to destroy us.

00:03:56.940 It must have been built for that purpose or something.

00:04:00.020 And, yeah, we really have been a long time.

00:04:02.900 We've really, over many, many years, worked our way to a system is what it does.

00:04:07.720 Yeah.

00:04:08.880 I can't believe we didn't find, like, that was an epiphany when I first heard that.

00:04:12.880 like it's one of those things you kind of always have known and then somebody explained it to you

00:04:16.600 it's like oh yeah you're right the system is what it does there's some of the good instances of

00:04:20.640 programmers you know working their way and digging away at a problem and finding philosophy along the

00:04:26.460 way yes like that's within the a programmer context of course that makes sense but that's

00:04:31.140 also ontologically true and that's why i always loved reading you know the cybernetics books by

00:04:39.180 robert weiner and um and anything on cybernetics anything like it's it's exciting until it got

00:04:45.280 flooded with dipshits and that's why ai is annoying now you cannot have a conversation about ai

00:04:52.760 yeah i don't think it's ever going to get good again i don't know what would need to happen 0.97

00:04:58.680 for people just to leave leave it alone and have it be cool again i think the irony is that

00:05:06.680 we told stories of god creating us and i think the reality is that we are creating god

00:05:13.960 what do you mean by that we are creating god in the form of super intelligence if you just say

00:05:19.580 what have we imagined god to be what are its characteristics we are building god in the form

00:05:26.580 of technology it will have the same characteristics and so i think the irony is that human storytelling

00:05:32.780 and got it exactly in reverse that we are the creators of god and we will create god in our

00:05:39.180 own image which is why we should probably uh be equal to this moment and level up our game

00:05:45.340 and be an improved species like llms aren't even ai anyways you know they've had llms working as

00:05:53.100 your chatbot assistant for like five years they used to call machine learning and they used it to

00:05:58.860 basically the same thing we're doing right

00:06:00.860 now. Right, right. Which is getting

00:06:02.860 rid of every job an Indian could ever 1.00

00:06:04.760 dream of having. Yes. Which is what 1.00

00:06:06.540 AI is for, by the way, guys. It's to

00:06:08.780 automate away all the Indians. Yeah. 1.00

00:06:10.940 They're better than slaves. Get rid of the slaves. 1.00

00:06:13.020 We don't need the slaves. The problem is they won't go 0.66

00:06:14.700 away and they'll still just be there. Which is

00:06:16.840 the story of America. And now it's going to happen

00:06:18.720 to us. So it's a shame.

00:06:21.200 Speaking of which, California

00:06:23.060 is on fire. I love it,

00:06:24.920 dude. It's like a Christmas came

00:06:26.700 late it's like it's like a christmas but on another date yeah time i talked to a fireman

00:06:34.780 once this is one of the reasons it freaked me out and he was telling me he goes dude

00:06:37.960 one day he goes it's just going to be the right wind and fire's going to start in the right place 0.88

00:06:43.100 and it's going to burn through la all the way to the ocean and there's not a fucking thing we can 0.72

00:06:47.320 do about it i go really he goes yeah we're just we just get lucky there's no reason for those fire 0.93

00:06:54.120 fires to be like they are they're leaving them dirty they're it's a disgraceful thing old trees

00:07:02.460 are sitting there rotting and dry and instead of cleaning it up they don't touch them they leave

00:07:08.120 them and we end up with these massive fires that we're paying hundreds of billions of dollars for

00:07:13.100 to fix and the destruction is incredible i don't know what to what to make of this because a lot

00:07:21.380 of people are celebrating uh and this sounds like a repeat of the last time california was so far

00:07:26.040 the same arguments are rolled out that this is climate change but like no it's california was

00:07:31.600 kind of made to be on fire both bureaucratically and geographically yeah and also uh due to city

00:07:39.580 planning that you just fill the place with the most combustible flora imaginable well the whole

00:07:45.780 thing is is with the combustibility and the forest management they prevent the normal burnouts that

00:07:51.060 would stop large forest fires like they have a policy of anytime there's a tiniest fire they

00:07:55.780 stop it and the result is massive you know globe's biggest forest fire every couple of years so

00:08:02.920 if it's just stupid i mean geographically there are like even trump was saying and he's correct 0.83

00:08:09.020 there are tons of other states that have geographically identical situations but they 0.99

00:08:13.300 don't have these forest fires because their forest management people aren't fucking retards 1.00

00:08:16.520 But that's California 1.00

00:08:17.720 You know what it is, I was going to say, it's de-radicalization

00:08:20.560 The reason they burn the place down every couple of years

00:08:22.800 Is because if they didn't, we'd go there and burn it ourselves

00:08:25.100 So they gotta burn it

00:08:26.280 You know, they gotta burn it down so that we're like, okay, you know

00:08:28.860 Nature is human

00:08:29.820 Well, what are you gonna do? It's already burned

00:08:31.260 There you go, what are you gonna do?

00:08:32.460 Are you gonna burn down a thing that's burned down?

00:08:36.320 Can't do it, buddy

00:08:37.380 Buddy, you wanna try something? 0.99

00:08:42.760 Buddy, you wanna fucking 0.99

00:08:44.000 Re-invent the fucking wheel here? 1.00

00:08:46.400 We can say right now, we can say, I am going to burn Los Angeles to the ground. 0.99

00:08:51.060 But that's not an actionable threat, is it?

00:08:53.600 There's no way to tell these stories without it sounding kind of funny. 0.98

00:08:57.440 I don't want to get a reputation of being like a socialist podcast and laughing every time a rich person falls into a fucking bear trap. 0.78

00:09:06.220 But it's just actors saying, oh, no, my my my house of interlocking squares and, you know, ferns burned down. 0.94

00:09:21.580 Perched upon a hill above one of like favela town that is designed to be on fire.

00:09:28.280 you know i get that california represents the go west young man the temperature is amazing and

00:09:35.880 there's a vibe and all that stuff but at the end of the day if i was living there i would say well

00:09:40.480 golly this is built this seems to be a place prone to both earthquakes and being on fire

00:09:46.600 and then it's built to be on fire and then the people who run it seem to want it to be on fire 0.97

00:09:51.380 and then god wants it to be on fire and then there's the crime and the gay and the everything 0.98

00:09:56.580 else in the men the blacks and i mean why would you want to be i don't understand why people and 0.99

00:10:01.860 i hear the food's not great and i've never been but i'll just talk shit about a place i've never 1.00

00:10:05.980 been it's fucking whores it's it's tilted the whole place is on 45 degrees i i don't like i 0.99

00:10:11.760 went to san francisco it was and i went to san francisco 10 years ago and 10 years ago it was 1.00

00:10:16.760 dog shit it's the worst i hated it i like the museums like there's some nice tourist attractions 0.66

00:10:22.660 but like the city itself you know we go to cities we like you walk around and you want to go see 0.99

00:10:27.480 where how do people live how do people eat guess how they live guess how they eat in san francisco 0.97

00:10:30.740 like fucking animals it's a mess he's walking on the street he's looking at a map he's folding it 0.99

00:10:36.940 and refolding it and unfolding it glasses down the bridge of his nose trying to figure out which 1.00

00:10:41.540 way he's going which way is north is the landmarks are like piles of bones and walking in walking

00:10:48.100 into the cavernous interior

00:10:50.160 and it's getting dark

00:10:52.480 and he looks up

00:10:53.260 and he's like 0.99

00:10:53.460 what am I in a fucking cave now? 0.99

00:10:55.500 Aw jeez 1.00

00:10:56.140 Aw jeez 0.82

00:10:57.360 jeez and crow

00:10:58.060 it's a gape

00:10:58.800 Wicked

00:11:00.860 That's not good

00:11:01.780 We're inside a gape 1.00

00:11:03.800 We're shit 1.00

00:11:04.520 We're in a gaped man 1.00

00:11:05.900 Look

00:11:07.100 this gape wasn't even on the map

00:11:09.460 they don't even put the gape on the map

00:11:10.760 You know what

00:11:11.340 this is the liberals 1.00

00:11:12.360 this is exactly the fucking liberals 1.00

00:11:14.020 this is how they get you 1.00

00:11:14.900 they got gapes all over

00:11:16.200 they don't put them on the map

00:11:17.520 And you wind up in the gape?

00:11:18.920 What are you going to do now?

00:11:19.920 Slapping the map with the back of your hand like it's a bill.

00:11:22.520 Look at this.

00:11:23.760 Now we've got to turn. 0.99

00:11:24.540 Now we've got to backtrack out of this fucking gape. 1.00

00:11:26.820 Shit. 1.00

00:11:27.520 Now I'm in time debt. 1.00

00:11:32.500 So, yeah, California is on fire.

00:11:34.640 I think the official blood satellite consensus is there you go.

00:11:39.960 Cool.

00:11:40.480 I mean, it happens.

00:11:42.440 What caused it this time?

00:11:43.800 I guess it was just the weather, right?

00:11:45.640 I saw they didn't even know.

00:11:46.700 I mean, the weather is the reason that it expanded the way that it did.

00:11:49.960 It is kind of neat that it's completely encircling L.A. like God hates them.

00:11:54.300 Like that doesn't always happen. 0.59

00:11:55.920 It sounds like this whole event was like if you've ever been in like an apartment building where there's a lot of like seniors or anything, whenever the fire alarm goes off, they just don't leave.

00:12:05.440 It doesn't like and there's no fire escapes on buildings in Canada. 0.98

00:12:09.580 So as you said, what they just don't leave.

00:12:11.600 So they've decided

00:12:14.300 They'd rather burn up 1.00

00:12:16.400 Than get up out of their fucking recliner 1.00

00:12:18.800 Right 1.00

00:12:19.400 So I think that's what's happening in LA

00:12:21.600 They don't want to, whatever

00:12:23.520 I'm not moving till I'm on fire

00:12:26.920 Yeah, lord take me

00:12:28.460 We're about to take it

00:12:30.400 You ever wonder about getting to that age?

00:12:34.380 What about

00:12:34.740 Getting old, old?

00:12:36.200 Getting old and welcoming death

00:12:38.580 You think you're going to get to that age?

00:12:40.260 i think about that yeah probably probably i'm old enough to to imagine it i thought about that

00:12:47.560 because you hear sometimes seniors talk about they don't all talk about it but they'll say

00:12:51.600 something akin to like all my friends are dead you know just there's no one maybe you're a widow

00:12:57.500 but maybe not but it's like yeah they're all gone and i'm here and yeah i they're not suicidal but 1.00

00:13:03.220 like yeah i hope i die tomorrow combination of that and also your life being shit because your 0.99

00:13:07.760 days are shorter and your body is weak and you're in pain and you're not mobile the other part of 1.00

00:13:13.020 it is like especially in the world we live in is this rapidly accelerating thing where as the years

00:13:19.240 go by you're under more and more stress to keep up with what's going on around you and at some point

00:13:23.960 you you have to disconnect it i mean i know i'm sure people who are in their 80s and 90s today 0.93

00:13:29.920 are just completely like you will go talk to them about fucking llms and crypto you know what i mean 0.96

00:13:34.960 they're going to look at you like you got a tree sticking out of your head because i mean what is 0.99

00:13:38.700 that they probably want to die i wonder if it's also a boomer thing i don't want to be cruel to

00:13:45.320 boomers but like i know how that generation lived you know they lived for maybe boomers are

00:13:51.480 different because they spend a lot of time partying too whereas like a lot of the gen x they worked

00:13:55.780 really hard for retirement it's for that like brief window time where it's like i worked my

00:14:00.460 whole life and i hated every minute of it but now i'm retired and i could party and you get maybe

00:14:05.160 like 10 years before your body starts to shut down but then you know when you think of these

00:14:10.340 older people like they don't really have anything to talk about they don't really have opinions on 0.99

00:14:13.760 things as much and they just watch tv so it's like they're bored they don't really have anything

00:14:18.000 going on and i do wonder if younger generations are going to be like their parents where they're

00:14:24.300 going to cling on to the family farm to the very end you know i mean like they don't want to sell

00:14:29.640 everything to go into retirement community a lot of boomers are excited about being in a retirement

00:14:34.200 community a good one not a nursing home but a place like they work through lives and then it's

00:14:39.060 just like a cruise ship yes the final port is the grave right yeah but i i get the sense that

00:14:46.120 our people like us like we're gonna get our hands on some property and we're just gonna be working

00:14:51.340 it until we drop dead and that's gonna we're not gonna be bored ever we're gonna be like constantly

00:14:56.700 panicking right up until the last moment and we'll live longer and i think i think it's the

00:15:01.600 way it should be to be honest i think that's uh i think you you you fall over dead in the field

00:15:06.140 one day when you reach over to pick up an onion and that's how you go that's good yeah you're all

00:15:11.600 your onion died by that point can't save you it'll be the reason of your demise too many onions or

00:15:16.940 not enough we'll never know you strike me as someone that would take a bite out of an onion

00:15:20.460 like an apple dude i've to have you not done that that's delicious and it's good for you too 0.99

00:15:24.360 throne defended now i'm the villain yeah this fucking psycho over here refuses to bite the 0.99

00:15:31.020 onion oh look the mirror is turned around on me and i'm casper hauser no thank you 0.99

00:15:36.000 i'm not do you do it the skin by the way no you take the skin off you know you know what the skin

00:15:41.560 is it's just the onion it's just a dried layer of the onion and if you crush it up it's onion

00:15:47.360 powder that's what that is are you crushing the skin is onion powder that's all that is

00:15:51.760 Yeah, because you can dice up an onion and dry it,

00:15:55.940 and it turns into a whole big pile of dry onion skin,

00:15:58.980 and then you powder that.

00:16:00.180 That's onion powder.

00:16:01.140 That's all it is.

00:16:02.100 So the skin's not made of any other...

00:16:04.340 It's literally the exact same thing.

00:16:06.100 You look at an onion, it's all layers.

00:16:07.760 That's how it grows, man.

00:16:08.580 It keeps growing layers and layers and layers.

00:16:10.840 I guess that's true,

00:16:11.580 because that's the difference between a fruit and a vegetable,

00:16:13.300 because a fruit will have skin,

00:16:15.040 a separate outer skin that's a different entity.

00:16:17.880 An onion is just a root.

00:16:19.180 It's just part of the root.

00:16:20.400 the outside of a carrot is just scabbed carrot exactly exactly and that's another one like if

00:16:27.320 you if you have like fucked up carrots from voles or whatever and they eat it but the thing survives

00:16:32.040 and then you catch it later in the season you'll see where it was like bitten and then it grew back

00:16:36.720 and there's like a weird scarred shape but on the inside it's still good carrot so like it is just

00:16:41.120 flesh i hear owls are the same way that the outside of an owl is just sort of like a cauterized

00:16:47.320 version of the inner owl. If you remove all the feathers and flesh

00:16:49.520 down to the bone and you let it sit, it will

00:16:51.320 grow more feathers on the bone. It'll be

00:16:53.480 back. Yeah. Stronger than ever. You could split it

00:16:55.480 in two and have two smaller misshapen

00:16:57.520 owls. Owls are

00:16:59.240 cool like that. At least up 1.00

00:17:01.360 in this neck of the woods.

00:17:03.640 There's nothing else like them, is there?

00:17:05.200 No. We love our owls here.

00:17:07.440 I've been trying to find a competitor

00:17:09.140 to an owl. You can't find it.

00:17:11.580 Every other bird fucking sucks. 1.00

00:17:14.980 There was an ominous crow 1.00

00:17:16.680 we considered him for a while but yeah yeah yeah yeah we're just really we're just looking for an 1.00

00:17:22.300 excuse our crow guys have joined the server fuck off whores ruin crows they did fuck you're right 1.00

00:17:32.820 are we doing bird talk have you seen these fucking turkey vultures you ever seen those i know of 1.00

00:17:39.340 them i know i don't but not enough to be like have you heard about these like these people 0.98

00:17:43.320 you know where we where we grew up there were no turkey vultures i never saw one in my life i don't

00:17:49.060 think they're endemic up here no but since i moved back and you know where i live which is near where

00:17:54.300 we grew up uh they're everywhere dude especially in the summer i'll drive some intersection if 0.98

00:17:59.280 there's like a dead raccoon there's like a dozen turkey vultures circling like it's fucking 0.93

00:18:03.120 arizona it's i thought there's just a thing in the south that's what i thought but they're here 0.93

00:18:08.100 and then they get down on the road and they don't move until you get close to them with the car and

00:18:11.860 they like flap up again it's like Bugs Bunny like or is it Bugs Bunny Wile E. Coyote yeah well I

00:18:17.880 remember uh the first time I really heard about turkey vultures was like an interview with Tom

00:18:21.640 Waits and he was on Conan he's telling a story about turkey vultures and he's describing how

00:18:26.860 they have a miserable existence because they uh they search for corpses and carry on right now

00:18:32.940 and they they fly down and feast upon it to the point where they can no longer fly

00:18:36.340 they just eat so much if you let them and then they try and fly away from a car coming and they

00:18:41.720 can just get hit by cars so it's just a dumb bird sort of life a real glimmer in god's eyes i suppose 0.58

00:18:49.300 speaking of a glimmer in god's eyes did you read this uh manifesto from that cyber truck guy oh

00:18:56.520 dude yeah i mean i aren't there a bunch of them i read the one that um what's his sean ryan or

00:19:02.320 whoever um posted that i heard that there were other ones that the police released and that is 0.90

00:19:07.500 all kinds of weird shit in there. Newly released surveillance video shows Army Green Beret Matthew 0.93

00:19:12.900 Livelsberger at a Tesla charging station during his trip to Las Vegas. That chilling video of his

00:19:18.340 final destination, the Trump Hotel. Authorities say Livelsberger died by suicide just before that

00:19:24.820 blast. And they say in the notes he left behind, he railed against the United States, but he held

00:19:30.480 no animosity toward the president-elect. And he wrote, quote, this was not a terrorist attack.

00:19:36.140 It was a wake-up call.

00:19:38.660 A stunning police find in Las Vegas.

00:19:41.180 Investigators say the man behind the Tesla Cybertruck explosion outside of Trump Hotel last week

00:19:46.460 used generative AI to plan the attack.

00:19:49.600 I'm looking at the one that was reported on in Newsweek.

00:19:55.300 Matthew Livelsberger, Green Beret, main suspect in the Cybertruck attack in Las Vegas.

00:20:02.820 Would you even call it an attack?

00:20:04.580 no

00:20:06.640 you know what I mean

00:20:08.240 the event

00:20:09.220 the spectacle

00:20:11.380 who was being attacked

00:20:13.340 the curb

00:20:14.480 yeah

00:20:15.280 this is what

00:20:15.900 it's so 0.97

00:20:16.300 the whole thing is so fucking strange 0.88

00:20:17.940 you can't just say 0.93

00:20:18.560 the outside of a building

00:20:19.800 is a person

00:20:20.500 we went with you

00:20:22.560 in the corporation

00:20:23.320 to be a person

00:20:23.940 you can't just say

00:20:24.820 a space is a person

00:20:25.760 if he hadn't killed himself

00:20:27.500 which I'm not even sure he did

00:20:28.840 but let's say

00:20:29.520 let's just run with that

00:20:30.480 that there's a dead guy

00:20:31.540 if there was no dead guy

00:20:33.040 this would be on the level

00:20:34.420 of like a bad tick tock prank like oh i'm gonna burn my cyber truck in front of the trump tower 0.99

00:20:40.560 okay you hurt no one did virtually no damage except for to the vehicle now you killed yourself 0.60

00:20:46.480 that's a different thing but all you did was spook elon musk for an afternoon someone made a good

00:20:52.000 point uh somewhere online which is like you know kudos to elon musk for creating such a good

00:20:57.480 vehicle that one one explodes like that they can't tell if it's a terrorist attack or if the car just

00:21:02.520 did that i love that that was him in damage control mode for a few hours to be like guys

00:21:07.320 no the batteries don't just explode it was definitely a terrorist attack guys guys please

00:21:11.600 listen to me no really dude just listen well that's right because everyone's like oh well

00:21:16.120 it probably like would it even there's so many videos of teslas just like spontaneously combusting

00:21:21.200 on the highway honestly so many because the ford pinto my entire life was the joke car right you're 0.96

00:21:29.040 driving a pinto he must be a fucking cheap lunatic and i think something to the tune of like three or 0.76

00:21:35.480 four of them ever kind of caught fire right just a little not even blew up just like caught fire 0.99

00:21:41.760 and it's like oh they take him off the road immediately cyber trucks have been blowing up

00:21:45.620 it seems like twice a month and it's like yeah you gotta watch out not only did they catch fire

00:21:51.240 they lock you inside and you burn alive yeah and everyone just goes well statistically that means

00:21:58.160 is probably not going to be me i mean you were driving one so you probably deserved it

00:22:01.840 here's i don't even hate the cybertruck i don't have any feelings on the cybertruck i'm like okay

00:22:07.340 that's a cool it's a it's a car that has a different design that's enough for me so it's

00:22:12.900 not just every suv looking the exact same hey someone made an attempt but if the cost of the

00:22:19.120 attempt was you're always dying like i guess i guess that's an argument for everyone having the 0.98

00:22:26.200 same stupid looking suv and sedan forever i guess you know what i mean like this is doing damage to 0.98

00:22:31.180 anyone who wants to try a new type of silhouette yeah fair so i'm looking at this copy of the 0.98

00:22:38.280 manifesto um submitted in an email because there was some controversy about the guy like it was on

00:22:44.560 it's like jocko willings podcast it was on some podcast ryan sean ryan's podcast and the guy said

00:22:49.860 i got the official version sent to me and then i don't know if that turned out to be real or not

00:22:56.000 let's just pick one

00:22:57.860 let's pick one

00:22:58.680 because I think they all

00:22:59.240 kind of say the same thing

00:23:00.160 I'll take any manifesto

00:23:03.400 that isn't just 0.53

00:23:04.420 blaming white people

00:23:05.800 or something

00:23:06.260 you know what I mean

00:23:06.580 oh hey

00:23:06.860 the one in your article

00:23:07.860 is actually the same one

00:23:09.060 from the Sean Warrer

00:23:09.620 okay good

00:23:10.280 let's just have

00:23:11.600 it's been so long

00:23:12.920 since we read a manifesto

00:23:14.180 I like manifesto time

00:23:17.300 yeah

00:23:18.060 some of the best times

00:23:19.360 on the show

00:23:19.740 are just reading manifestos

00:23:20.960 yeah

00:23:21.420 I like to think

00:23:22.900 we've cultivated

00:23:23.620 a manifesto friendly space

00:23:25.320 in case i do not make it to my decision point or on the mexico border let me just say this even if

00:23:35.120 you're in the military saying stuff like that sounds like you're not you can be like a you

00:23:40.500 might as well be a stolen valor guy yeah why because they because because why decision point

00:23:49.280 that's just a dumb thing to say well sounds made up yeah but i don't care if it is okay

00:23:55.040 what's decision point dr like the point of no return you could you could have said point of 0.97

00:23:59.080 no return i guess like decision point is like he's driving and then beyond this point he has

00:24:02.940 to make his decision whether he's going to go ahead with it or turn back in case i don't make

00:24:06.480 it to my decision point on or the mexico board so this would assume like after he's made the

00:24:11.380 decision like decision point would be like i'm gonna blow the truck up this would be the decision

00:24:17.660 point would be during the escape yeah right yeah i don't understand this no it doesn't i mean none

00:24:23.580 of it makes sense it makes no sense not even as an op it doesn't make sense that it was real but 0.81

00:24:28.640 even if it's not real and it's an op it still doesn't make sense my fucking lore for this is 0.97

00:24:34.400 it's the deagle nation if you do not think that i have combat ability then come on you are dead 0.96

00:24:40.240 fucking wrong all right and if you're on this site trying to troll me you pick the wrong person 0.95

00:24:45.100 because i don't make threats i make promises now as i'm saying this knife here do you see what this 0.97

00:24:53.420 It says Semper Fidelis, which is actually the motto of the United States Marine Corps, which means always faithful in Latin.

00:25:00.460 In case I do not make it to my decision point or on to the Mexico border, I'm sending this out.

00:25:06.740 Please do not release this until January 1st.

00:25:09.440 I keep my identity private until the end.

00:25:12.580 I keep my identity.

00:25:13.480 This is written weird.

00:25:14.340 Anyway, first off, I am not under duress or hostile influence or control.

00:25:18.080 First mistake, you should always, honestly, if you're going to write a manifesto, you should start with, I am under duress.

00:25:23.420 and i'm under control that's why i'm doing this anyway what you've been seeing with drones is the

00:25:28.600 operational use of gravitic propulsion systems powered aircraft by most recently china in the

00:25:34.480 east coast but throughout history the u.s only we in china have this capability our open location

00:25:40.440 for this activity in the box below so we're going to get to this in a little bit and i kind of want

00:25:47.060 to lead into the next part of this about all the drones people were reporting on if you recall that

00:25:52.740 I got people in our community who are sick to death about hearing about drones, serious drones, but I'm not.

00:26:01.800 So we'll get into that because I wanted to let that story breathe for a while.

00:26:06.760 But this is something that we've been talking about off and on and many of us have for years.

00:26:12.840 You know, talking about how the UFOs are actually government sponsored test craft.

00:26:21.340 and they're using some kind of gravity manipulation device.

00:26:26.040 And that was the story of, and I always forget his name,

00:26:29.240 you know, the Area 51 guy.

00:26:31.520 His story corroborates everything that's in this

00:26:33.680 to the extent that it almost makes me think

00:26:35.580 this is a little bit of a,

00:26:37.360 it's kind of dragging off of his,

00:26:39.800 that all those other,

00:26:40.740 look, I think these are all probably part of the same,

00:26:43.700 part of the same op, part of the same story,

00:26:45.680 the whole UFO release over the past year or so.

00:26:48.380 Yeah, because when I hear it's an op,

00:26:50.200 I'm trying to figure out like,

00:26:51.040 what part of it is the op because every time we you get the sense that's an op something's going

00:26:56.420 on things are connecting that shouldn't connect but i'm like for what purpose what what would be

00:27:03.760 the benefit in hiding this but then constantly revealing it because that was what we thought

00:27:09.780 originally that these sort of tic-tac shaped aircraft ufos that were constantly being seen

00:27:16.200 by military aircraft sometimes even civilian aircraft that there's like they're putting on a

00:27:21.540 show to communicate to the world that you know maybe maybe we think they're ufos but the people

00:27:28.720 who know over in china or whoever will say oh that's they're they're kind of sending a signal

00:27:34.240 to us but then i'm like but i don't get why i actually don't understand why any of this why

00:27:39.280 can't they just say we have gravity manipulation software you know i mean i don't understand why

00:27:43.760 you have to keep a secret but then kind of keep letting people know and do you have an idea like

00:27:48.520 i mean the only the only thing i can think of is it's partly for us and it's partly for the global

00:27:56.300 population um if it's about ufos is trying to make the u.s seem more important like they have the ear

00:28:02.440 of the alien or something and then if it's about gravitic propulsion and military drones then it's

00:28:07.740 um it's a deterrent it's like oh yeah you have hypersonics but we have this thing that you don't

00:28:12.520 understand and that terrifies women and children so um and i'm not even sure like look at this

00:28:19.800 point i don't i don't even know if the tic tac videos and all that stuff is real and like all

00:28:24.340 of the all of the like pilot testimony and like i don't see how that is is very different from

00:28:30.480 the decades and decades of witness testimony that we have from people of other ufo sightings

00:28:37.680 like see i think the only thing that makes it different the only difference right now

00:28:40.980 is that for the first time the government has joined the game like they've they're playing 0.64

00:28:46.960 along with it does that mean it's true i mean they're like the most notorious liars in the 1.00

00:28:51.740 world so would it make sense that they join into the big stupid lie game that we've all been playing 0.96

00:28:56.740 so i mean i'm not i would love it to be true it's very exciting but i mean the fact that 0.89

00:29:01.980 the government gets involved doesn't really it makes me believe it less actually well this is

00:29:07.120 think like i i'm i'm magnanimous to admit as a fan of conspiracy theories and you and i we've

00:29:14.660 gone deep with so many conspiracy theories we have open minds and all this and we treat them

00:29:19.960 seriously um and there's a great many conspiracy theories having done this i don't like them

00:29:24.700 anymore but with that expertise under my belt i i admit that i don't have a bead on the motive

00:29:32.700 anymore you know i mean like it's like the flat earth stuff when they say you know the

00:29:36.700 every government in the world is united to make you think the earth is round when indeed it's flat

00:29:42.060 and i'm like i don't understand why like it's about control i'm like you can't just but why

00:29:47.120 how is that control how would anything in the world be different if the truth that it was flat

00:29:52.800 was known like i don't get it it's like why don't let's say they're trying to keep the fact that 0.86

00:29:58.200 there's an ice wall okay just who cares it's a fucking ice wall no one wants to go there anyway 0.98

00:30:03.760 i don't think there's people who want the worst it's not it's not a wall of fucking milk and 0.98

00:30:07.980 honey it's a goddamn ice wall only like five percent of people want to go to space like it's 0.98

00:30:14.260 not like people would be everyone's rowing out there to see undiscovered country it's only like 0.98

00:30:21.520 a very small percentage of people who would ever care about this like so i just don't understand

00:30:25.380 oh okay oh it's the firmament so it's like space but different but equally bad so we still don't

00:30:30.280 want to go there and it's difficult okay so why would it matter and i'm arguing or just asking

00:30:36.020 in good faith i'm like someone explain to me why okay because the story that we would all believe

00:30:40.660 i think everyone believes is like okay ufos as we know them they are half government disinformation

00:30:46.800 op and then half of it is actually true and it's experimental aircraft and they're kind of teasing

00:30:52.500 but i'm like but i don't i don't get why at this point because if we have this graviton or uh

00:30:58.340 was it gravity anyway the gravitic propulsion and it's that much of a game changer like well

00:31:04.260 just do what they did with nukes say hey everyone we have it we did it first and we're the most

00:31:09.660 powerful like wouldn't that also get the point across i just don't i don't understand why this

00:31:15.220 any of this is happening yeah i don't know man i mean to me it's like um why why would they

00:31:20.820 you know post hoc you know why would they create jackson pollock and the laurel canyon group and

00:31:29.060 all of these things and it's like they're really the net effect that they have on society is kind

00:31:34.540 of measurable in very very broad strokes over decades but um it's not like it had any specific

00:31:42.400 policy impacts in the near term so you got to wonder the impacts that it did have were those

00:31:47.820 even intentional did they really have that much control over it or was it just like guys with too

00:31:53.080 much money being tasked to do things that are that that are too big it cut to me it could be that it

00:31:59.080 could fall into that category it's like guys let's create this big blue beam op and we're going to

00:32:03.480 make people believe this that and the other weird thing and it's like yeah but what does that achieve

00:32:06.660 and it's like oh achieve oh we're supposed to achieve something like this because the laurel

00:32:11.160 canyon example is really great because so many of these cases that we know about we covered

00:32:16.360 Laurel Canyon on the show quite some time ago

00:32:18.340 but so many of the cases that we know

00:32:20.460 about end in either

00:32:22.680 like the

00:32:23.640 explanation is government ineptitude

00:32:26.740 or just an experiment

00:32:28.520 that fizzled out. Yeah.

00:32:30.480 Like Laurel Canyon

00:32:31.480 one thing they talk about is it was a

00:32:34.380 hotbed of fed activity

00:32:36.520 especially in that

00:32:37.840 observatory. There was like a movie studio

00:32:40.320 that was perched there and that was

00:32:42.360 owned by the CIA and they would just

00:32:44.360 make weird propaganda movies and everyone knew

00:32:46.320 about it and had a lot of money and they worked with actors and no one really knew what was going

00:32:50.280 on in there and then that just kind of fizzled out i guess like it was just it's a big weird thing

00:32:56.720 where they were trying a bunch of stuff and there's no question that's what they're doing

00:33:00.380 but no one really knows what became of it and then one day just stopped and if you look at all the

00:33:05.760 assets they've had over the history up to and including the you know extremists that end up

00:33:12.860 carrying out a plan like oh they were known to the fbi and they were probably encouraged by the

00:33:17.000 fbi yeah they just do that and they don't seem to care and they some of it's bumbling o fishness

00:33:22.860 and some of it's just uh they lost the file and so it's a lot of that i'm like is this that is this 0.89

00:33:27.980 is the explanation as unceremonious as it is that this is just a bunch of weird shit that got

00:33:34.520 carried away and no one's controlling this is actually a bunch of different ops colliding and

00:33:39.140 no one knew who the original author it's all just out of hand and if you put that against the

00:33:43.980 backdrop of um like a cornered empire gasping its last and a competence crisis and a failing economy

00:33:52.880 and it's like yeah of course you're gonna have all kinds of shit like imagine the quality of 1.00

00:33:56.920 people that are working at the cia right now they're largely indian and they're millennial 0.96

00:34:01.840 the government's testing out some technology and they don't have a pr department so they don't know

00:34:05.940 that they're supposed to tell anyone and then someone says oh my god is that ufo and they go

00:34:09.980 uh yeah yeah technically i guess like they just don't check my notes that's not part of the plan 0.86

00:34:15.760 they just like yeah it's a fucking thing it's uh it's another have you you know what they're saying 0.66

00:34:20.460 now it's from another dimension i heard that that's probably what it is and not thinking that 0.98

00:34:25.440 maybe that's worse that maybe that causes more problems down the road like the government admits 0.97

00:34:30.180 that there's interdimensional demons like oh shit oh no i was the federal government playing 0.88

00:34:35.900 whose line is it anyway could that be it i know that's it sounds like i'm downplaying it but 0.99

00:34:41.760 no i'm saying they're they're involved in everything and they just suck at it and that's

00:34:45.500 maybe worse um so anyway moving on to this manifesto china has been launching them from

00:34:50.800 the atlantic ocean from submarines for years but this activity recently has picked up as of now

00:34:56.480 is just a show for us and they are using it similar to how they use the balloon for signet

00:35:01.300 and ISR, which are also part of the integrated

00:35:03.180 comm system. There are dozens of

00:35:05.260 those balloons in the air at any given time.

00:35:07.280 Let me just state, before it sounds

00:35:09.200 like I'm making fun of this,

00:35:11.240 I believe all of this.

00:35:13.160 There's nothing he's saying that

00:35:14.600 trips any wires for me, because

00:35:17.260 you'll recall, not long ago, remember they

00:35:19.260 just found a bunch of Chinese spy balloons

00:35:21.400 just like in Canada 1.00

00:35:23.560 and shit? Yeah, tons of them. 1.00

00:35:25.300 Tons of them. They made it look like a handful, but then

00:35:27.280 the report was like, oh, there's like 600 of these.

00:35:29.600 and then everyone's like oh no but like america does that too there's just all these spy balloons

00:35:33.920 like really because i get the sense that i'm not supposed to know yeah the fact that i know means

00:35:39.640 someone wasn't doing their job or a new job was created and then we're just we're all standing

00:35:45.500 there looking at this chinese spy balloon with a it's red probably with some gold on it and we just

00:35:52.560 watch it go and no one knows what's supposed to happen yeah but this guy reminded me oh yeah i 0.55

00:35:57.420 remember that there's all kinds of shit in the air so moving on the so what is because of the 0.92

00:36:04.280 speed and stealth these unnamed ac that they're they are the most dangerous threat to national 0.98

00:36:09.280 security that's ever existed they basically have an unlimited payload capacity and can park it over

00:36:14.800 the white house if they wanted it's checkmate uh what what do you mean by ac does that mean drones

00:36:22.640 i guess um i don't know because he just talked about balloons and then he goes to unmanned

00:36:30.400 aircraft yeah must be okay so i guess that's what would just say aircraft dude just say 0.98

00:36:37.340 aircraft what the fuck you should say if you want to be taken seriously say bogey 0.95

00:36:41.600 say china's been on our nation six the entire time um but this is you know for people who are 0.99

00:36:49.340 into drones at all like that's a big deal because one of the limitations of drones 0.69

00:36:53.100 is payload capacity because everyone is terrified of drones um for some reason like they'll look at

00:36:59.800 the new year's eve show put on by china one of their many new years it's a coordinated drone 0.65

00:37:06.420 show of a dragon of course and a fucking i don't know a wonton and a woman getting boiled alive 0.99

00:37:14.220 whatevers they fucking do. 0.99

00:37:15.680 Yeah, elevators. 1.00

00:37:16.640 Elevators and children. 1.00

00:37:18.000 A giant drone show of a woman being chopped in half by an elevator. 1.00

00:37:24.520 She'd do a drone show of a drone crashing out of the sky and hitting a child. 0.96

00:37:33.200 Their predictive capabilities are amazing.

00:37:37.440 They're like 10 years ahead of us.

00:37:39.540 um but but uh they look at that and we're supposed to be in awe but it's my understanding that that's

00:37:45.960 the easiest thing in the world to do to get drones to coordinate in any sensible you know i mean like 0.76

00:37:51.200 um a child not do that it's not trivial but the i think the difference is just that china can do 0.94

00:37:58.280 whatever the fuck that they want because it's a authoritarian top-down society and that's a 0.95

00:38:03.380 government display like you would never have a a like a like a family barbecue that would do 0.99

00:38:08.840 something like that because they just get vanned but like you look at how incompetent the governments

00:38:13.820 are over here like you you know what i mean you'd never get the money together but i think i just 1.00

00:38:18.120 think fireworks are better i think drone shows fucking suck they're gay they're they're all 1.00

00:38:22.700 they're so tacky dude they're so tacky the chinese are a gay man yeah yeah nigga but uh but you see 1.00

00:38:30.980 that and you think oh my god drones the future is coordinated drones but the moment you attach 1.00

00:38:35.100 any payload to a drone their battery life goes from like an hour to 10 minutes you know weight

00:38:40.720 is really significant so if he's saying that oh now there's a way for drones to have unlimited

00:38:45.440 payload and be unmanned okay like maybe that is checkmate but i also don't believe that's checkmate

00:38:51.400 because i don't know like what the fact that we know about this happening means it's not checkmate

00:38:57.000 the fact that the story was look all those drones they're not very stealthy if people 0.88

00:39:03.680 with their fucking nikon cameras and their phone cameras are seeing them like i think then the 0.97

00:39:09.480 white house and snipers and emp cannons could also see them like maybe i'm just giving like 0.99

00:39:17.180 if there's one thing i think the american company would be good at it's taking down aircraft yes

00:39:23.720 except when they want don't want it to of course yeah yeah of course

00:39:29.820 um usg needs to give the history of this how we are employing it and weaponizing it how china is

00:39:36.580 employing them and what the way forward is china is poised to attack anywhere on the east coast

00:39:41.280 see to me i'm reading this i say you didn't need to blow up a cyber truck for this this is just 0.69

00:39:45.980 a post this is just a sub stack and you probably could have gotten just as many people reading this

00:39:52.180 if you went on if you did a podcast tour go on lex freeman just get get literally get on lex 0.73

00:39:57.640 for you by saying hey i'm a veteran and i want to talk about drones he'll fucking let you on and 0.67

00:40:02.660 he'll let you say anything you want and if you take his clipboard away i think he just powers 0.86

00:40:09.400 down and you can just talk for as long as you want it just the show goes on for like nine hours

00:40:16.080 because lex is just asleep in the chair lex doesn't know what to do if he's not literally

00:40:20.200 staring at the next question because he's an automaton who can't have a conversation he's 0.98

00:40:25.080 the worst you take away his little fucking ipad he's like he's asking you so what do you think 1.00

00:40:30.640 happens after you die do you think you turn into a plant like he'll just say the worst shit give 1.00

00:40:39.240 him a minute he'll bring it back around to how life is love or how shouldn't we all just learn 0.99

00:40:45.220 to cooperate if you say life is love you need to be in jail yeah he really is he's he was 0.99

00:40:54.560 created as a distraction from from from from oh fuck facebook zuck yeah like zuck is trying to 0.99

00:41:04.480 become human so zuck created friedman so there'd be an even more uh automatic lizard man in the 0.97

00:41:11.680 public eye you know what i liked lex friedman for the same reason i liked joe rogan because

00:41:16.520 i enjoy it when they get on weird academics and scientists that you haven't heard of and you

00:41:22.840 probably haven't dug for so here's a guy who wrote a book he specializes in amphibian brains

00:41:28.140 and he's going to explain to you how that replace like relates to quarks or something or like he's

00:41:33.720 a guy here's the guy who invented a new type of laser and then they go you know i mean like they

00:41:38.420 they they wouldn't be on a lot of shows but it's you shouldn't be on amphibian brain quark guy 0.99

00:41:44.460 shouldn't get zero your time fuck that guy are you fucking serious get out of here 1.00

00:41:49.560 Don't get mad at me. 1.00

00:41:52.800 I need stuff to watch. 1.00

00:41:54.320 I need stuff to play at the gym, motherfucker. 0.99

00:41:56.740 I can't just keep playing old Will Sasso clips. 0.99

00:41:59.600 Die Hard 3.

00:42:01.740 So I just watched Die Hard 3?

00:42:03.640 Yeah.

00:42:04.180 How many times have you seen it?

00:42:05.580 Not enough.

00:42:06.420 You know what?

00:42:07.540 It's not enough.

00:42:09.140 You know what he wouldn't have done in Die Hard 3

00:42:11.300 is blow up his Cybertruck in front of the Trump Tower?

00:42:15.980 No, he would have.

00:42:16.820 That would have been one of the things the guy gets him to do.

00:42:19.560 No, you're right, actually.

00:42:21.440 You'll be great if the Cybertruck had 1.00

00:42:22.800 I Hate Niggers spray painted on the side. 1.00

00:42:27.980 And then we see 0.99

00:42:28.800 everyone outside, yeah!

00:42:34.280 I can't wait to read this guy's manifesto.

00:42:36.460 It's all about China and drones.

00:42:39.180 Moving on. We're taking a long time on this. 0.86

00:42:41.440 I have knowledge of this program and also war crimes

00:42:43.600 that were covered up during airstrikes in

00:42:45.320 Nimra's province, Afghanistan, 2019

00:42:47.220 by the admin. I'm targeting

00:42:49.300 I conducted targeting for these strikes

00:42:51.720 that were for 125 buildings that killed hundreds

00:42:53.580 of civilians in a single day

00:42:55.200 I mean this is checking out

00:42:57.560 to me right you know we joke

00:42:59.420 I'm like oh this sounds like

00:43:00.540 I'm not detecting

00:43:03.360 anything outrageous in this

00:43:05.180 if this isn't due to the manifesto

00:43:06.860 the UN basically called for these war crimes

00:43:09.400 but the administration made them disappear I was part

00:43:11.420 of that cover up with US fora

00:43:13.380 an agent redacted of the DEA

00:43:15.500 so I don't know if my abduction

00:43:17.280 attempt is related to either

00:43:18.920 you need to elevate this to the media

00:43:21.540 so we avoid a world war

00:43:22.660 because this is a mutually assured destruction situation

00:43:26.080 I mean maybe

00:43:28.400 right?

00:43:29.880 how?

00:43:31.440 I don't know

00:43:32.240 I wish you went into more detail on how

00:43:35.460 you know what I mean

00:43:35.940 okay good point

00:43:39.120 let me pull back for a second here

00:43:40.940 the manifesto should stand on its own

00:43:44.020 the problem with manifestos

00:43:45.600 is when they're too short

00:43:46.860 so if you got you got some good data here you should have gone into more detail with agent

00:43:53.440 redacted and all this stuff you know get give me five pages have we quit they keep calling this a

00:43:58.680 manifesto could we questioned whether or not this even is a manifesto like how is this a manifesto

00:44:05.480 manifesto is usually like a screed about why you did what you're going to do or something like that 0.86

00:44:11.460 yes allow me to pull back once again you are right is this even a fucking manifesto this is 0.69

00:44:16.680 just an email it's just an email it's an email with information uh that's pertinent um failed 0.93

00:44:23.580 to connect because usually if the act done is justified by the manifesto the act seems random

00:44:31.100 in light of this except that it was to try and make sure no one is killed but then i mean you 0.97

00:44:36.900 could also release a video of you shitting in a woman's mouth this this manifests like look at 0.97

00:44:42.900 that yeah don't see that every day no you know they get go on steve-o's podcast and say i got 1.00

00:44:50.100 one free steve-o and hammer nails into your own balls and say gotcha by the way there's a mutually

00:44:56.120 assured destruction scenario driven by autonomous drones with infinite payload capacities that we 0.99

00:45:02.260 are not prepared for and the public has not been informed adequately ow and then ow my balls

00:45:07.580 by the way ouchie by the way ouchie my nuts but then that intersects with all of the drone stuff 0.60

00:45:17.540 which is what we were going to talk about look at this look at cnn what officials are doing and

00:45:23.080 suggesting to learn uh to learn more about the possible drone sightings and i mean there's

00:45:27.960 photographs that were sourced by dozens of people so one could say these are cgi but they're very

00:45:34.120 clearly something odd in the sky and just starts off here as a flurry of possible drone sightings

00:45:40.840 has triggered local politicians to press federal officials for more information lawmakers have

00:45:44.860 proposed a variety of different methods for dealing with drones and that's i love the tone

00:45:49.680 of this one which is that not whether or not it's happening it's just here's some tips on how to deal

00:45:54.980 with the drones that we know are there.

00:45:58.060 As for numbers, the FBI says it's received

00:46:00.600 more than 3,000 tips from the public about drone sightings

00:46:03.920 going back to November 18th, all over New Jersey.

00:46:07.740 One after another, after another,

00:46:09.680 these drones appeared in the night sky.

00:46:11.920 This is a real phenomenon.

00:46:13.660 We're not making it up.

00:46:14.680 We're not hallucinating.

00:46:15.620 There are a lot of concerns

00:46:17.700 that have turned to frustration and anger, frankly.

00:46:20.060 SUV-sized drones?

00:46:21.940 How do you explain that part?

00:46:23.040 You think people just get the size wrong, Ryan?

00:46:24.980 These things appear to be close enough to the ground where I think I have pretty high confidence in the size predictions that they're estimating.

00:46:31.920 There's anti-drone legislation being floated to Congress.

00:46:35.200 I thought they already had that.

00:46:36.620 There are helicopters monitoring the drones that we are now confirming.

00:46:41.120 And the U.S. government is sending drone detection and tracking systems to two military facilities.

00:46:46.880 At the same time, the White House has sought to reassure the public so that most of what are reported as drone sites are actually lawfully operated aircraft.

00:46:54.980 or even stars, I mean, zero, zero of the photographs

00:46:59.740 that have been released look like stars.

00:47:01.660 Like we haven't seen a star before. 0.81

00:47:04.000 That's some foolishness.

00:47:05.460 I mean, what year is it? 0.77

00:47:07.500 And do you think we're all children? 1.00

00:47:08.980 We know what a fucking drone looks like, dude. 1.00

00:47:10.700 They're very distinct. 0.99

00:47:11.660 Let me just say one thing to people.

00:47:13.800 Most of these photos are taken in urban or suburban areas.

00:47:17.520 They don't see the stars.

00:47:19.360 You can't see stars, yeah. 0.97

00:47:20.580 If you're seeing something, it's because it's really, really fucking low 0.79

00:47:23.900 and it's below the smog line around whatever fucking yeah california it can it got below 0.96

00:47:29.460 the line of the fucking smoke billowing over california um president joe bines told reporters 0.97

00:47:36.220 on tuesday night there's nothing nefarious apparently bines said there's nothing nefarious 1.00

00:47:41.700 apparently but they're checking it all out like he just doesn't fuck he doesn't know and he's not 0.96

00:47:47.220 concerned it is i mean it's a it's apparent that is yeah it's not apparent though joe come on 0.96

00:47:52.740 Joe Biden, we're following it closely.

00:47:54.900 So far, no sense of danger.

00:47:56.680 Based on what?

00:47:57.560 Based on you not knowing what's going on.

00:47:59.580 You can't just choose to say,

00:48:01.280 oh, there's no danger.

00:48:02.400 That's what you do with your wife when you're lost.

00:48:05.220 You say, I'm not worried, 0.99

00:48:06.600 even though you're fucking terrified. 0.99

00:48:08.480 But that's not you, Joe. 0.99

00:48:10.200 You're not made of that stuff. 1.00

00:48:12.020 I'm not your bitch. 1.00

00:48:13.360 You're saying this because you really don't know. 0.98

00:48:17.080 We've set up visual observers

00:48:18.740 and everything we're seeing to date,

00:48:20.860 our assessment.

00:48:21.280 And by visual observers, I mean, just people standing on the roof looking for drones.

00:48:25.340 That's what we've got.

00:48:26.240 We've got guys looking at it right now.

00:48:28.740 Got some guys out there.

00:48:30.220 So they deployed.

00:48:31.860 According to the news, they're playing catch-up, saying, well, yeah, I guess we've got to figure it out.

00:48:36.500 I'm looking at the Daily Mirror here.

00:48:37.800 Americans warned to prepare for the worst.

00:48:40.560 This is one of the stories that I wanted to follow up on.

00:48:43.340 Americans warned to prepare for the worst as radiation levels spike in NYC amid drone mystery.

00:48:49.480 uh the geiger counter world map which tracks radiation levels across the world has two areas

00:48:54.620 in new york metro flagged as red now i never heard a definitive follow-up on this because

00:49:01.100 i heard it as it was being reported and i wanted to check in later to figure out what's going on

00:49:05.960 there um there i think there's a i'm trying to find a fact check here but uh yeah like what do

00:49:14.540 you remember hearing about that about radiation i think these are these were drones that were

00:49:17.660 hunting for radiation i heard another yeah i heard another part of the story that i in um in

00:49:22.480 massachusetts somewhere there had been a shipment of enriched uranium that had gone missing and that

00:49:28.100 the drones were looking for that i guess theft using radiation tracking which a bunch of people

00:49:37.440 random internet guys were saying definitely real totally here's i'm a navy seal and this is how

00:49:43.600 that works and to me like i can't see it i don't i mean i can't imagine that being a thing unless

00:49:51.360 it was like like if to my little monkey brain the size the amount of enriched uranium that you'd

00:49:59.780 have to have for it to be big enough for it to be detectable from 300 feet in the air would be

00:50:06.620 large enough that you wouldn't go missing because it would be like i don't know part of a shipping

00:50:13.260 container you know like unless we're talking about like a handful of the stuff in a in a trunk

00:50:18.840 of a car okay okay well you could steal that but can you detect that with a drone i don't think so

00:50:26.860 like wouldn't that just be ambient radiation at that point the one i think you're talking about

00:50:30.200 his name is john ferguson he's the ceo of saxon unmanned which is actually a man manufacturer of

00:50:36.620 drones so there's like a drone manufacturer saying oh this is one of the guys who's saying it

00:50:40.740 of saying this is what they're used for statements like is saying my belief is that they're trying to

00:50:45.540 smell something on the ground gas leaks radioactive material whatever ferguson tied drone sightings

00:50:51.560 to theories of lost nuclear warheads heavily suggesting those are what the reported drones

00:50:56.080 are looking for now the geiger counter world map is one source uh the what was it the the department

00:51:03.760 of defense and national nuclear administration denied that they said there wasn't a spike so

00:51:09.160 you just got two sources uh conflicting on what was going on so i i guess i'm willing to believe

00:51:16.620 that the the radiation thing was random because i also heard people saying they're doing this

00:51:22.260 because something's something's about to kick off before the end when did this happen yeah

00:51:27.140 before the end of the year because this was in december last year yeah before trump takes office

00:51:31.640 and that was like a lot of guys on our side i'm only bringing this up not to be rude just as an

00:51:37.840 example i mean remember charles haywood who i have nothing but respect for like he was one of the

00:51:42.960 guys who said look there's going to be a massive upswing in violence leading up to trump's

00:51:48.540 inauguration to the point where they might not let him become president because there's like a civil

00:51:52.540 war happening look man i think that i mean that's not an unreasonable thing to believe

00:51:56.420 that could still happen i don't think i don't personally think it will but it's not an unreasonable

00:52:00.980 expectation based on what's happened previously well but that's because based on what's happened

00:52:06.580 previously we know this time it seems less likely like i just don't see it what happens with donald

00:52:13.380 trump the reaction that was not organic right it wasn't generative it was it was like a spook it

00:52:18.860 was a psyop like the entire media apparatus was aligned against him and i'm like absent that the

00:52:24.100 people don't do much on their own antifa is is like gone right i think it's even possible that

00:52:30.520 to a large extent they built up opposition to trump and then handed him the election

00:52:35.060 as a way of making it look organic,

00:52:37.920 but that he's actually the chosen candidate 1.00

00:52:39.720 based on how much of a fat fucking retard 1.00

00:52:41.800 he's been over the past few weeks. 1.00

00:52:42.920 That's what we've been saying for a long time.

00:52:44.220 I'm like, Donald Trump,

00:52:45.320 and we've been saying this for many, many months,

00:52:46.860 but there's nothing about him

00:52:47.940 that is the rogue, dark horse, anti-system candidate.

00:52:51.220 He is system approved.

00:52:52.240 He can do some things that we like, but...

00:52:54.420 Since January 1st, he's pretty much reneged

00:52:56.860 on the majority of the stuff

00:52:58.600 that everybody was excited about in November.

00:53:00.600 And again, a lot of us were saying

00:53:02.300 that he was going to do that.

00:53:03.020 so i didn't expect it to happen so fast because he did it in 2016 yeah you'd think that he'd take

00:53:07.760 office first and like slow roll all the betrayal over the first year but no like he's pretty much

00:53:13.540 just like we didn't wouldn't he like yesterday or today he came out and said that he's not going to

00:53:18.460 be uh not going to be deporting illegals he's only going to be deporting illegals with a criminal

00:53:22.600 history the point being that i actually forget how i got on this oh no it's going to be like

00:53:29.900 basically what i was saying was i don't see a because people were predicting like a nuclear

00:53:35.960 apocalypse before the n24 didn't happen like i however there does seem to be a lot of odd things

00:53:43.160 that are happening right there's this then there's the wildfires and there's the drones

00:53:48.540 in aggregate there seems to be a lot of odd things happening if you talk to people who care about

00:53:55.140 of these things again this is one of the other things i keep coming back to like i don't understand

00:54:00.000 the motivation or the why for example they'll say like okay you know what they're trying to get

00:54:03.960 people ready for world war three that's what this is or they're trying to get people to surrender

00:54:09.160 like there's been more mass shootings or more targeted assassinations like luigi man do anything

00:54:14.460 like you know what they're coming for your guns i'm like they've never done it in america you know

00:54:19.680 what i would do what i would believe i would sooner believe that every assassination or mass

00:54:24.780 shooting is coordinated by the gun lobby because one thing seems to happen every time there's a

00:54:29.760 mass shooting everyone says they're going to come for your guns and gun sales spike and as a green

00:54:34.580 array i sent to school by the government to do conspiracies that's what unconventional warfare

00:54:40.260 is it's what uh the cia and the param you know the non-analyst cia paramilitary and operational

00:54:47.700 guys are they are people who do conspiracies uh all over the world but the point is that

00:54:53.860 in order for the to get to the outcome that you want which is in this case shaping public opinion

00:55:02.300 or shaping the opinions of the certain subsets of the population that you're trying to achieve

00:55:07.860 or you know you're trying to reach you have to keep that narrative moving you have to keep it

00:55:12.160 progressing you're not feeding it all but you know how who's going to pick up on what little

00:55:18.940 cues and who's going to chase what and then you just seed you know i don't know if you know what

00:55:24.620 jade helm is but jade helm was a i don't know if they're still doing it by the way but you know

00:55:29.960 jade helm was a big special forces green berets uh training exercise that we did across a whole

00:55:35.800 bunch of states and that's what we did we we're playing a big alternate reality game

00:55:40.860 uh unconventional warfare game where we're simulating the overthrow of a country from

00:55:48.640 you know, external and internal to that country. And I might or might not have written a lane and

00:55:55.300 run it. Um, but what you do in these types of things, you know, these big exercises is you

00:56:02.240 feed Intel injects to keep the, you know, the, the elements on track, but also to kind of guide

00:56:09.160 them a bit of where you want them to go with their own decisions, you know, their own thinking,

00:56:13.280 planning etc there there absolutely is a long-term trend of the disarmament of the population i mean

00:56:20.300 the if you look at what is legal in the states right now the it's easy for us as non-americans

00:56:27.000 to look and it's like that's crazy the stuff that they're allowed to have it's like yeah but they

00:56:30.460 used to literally be able to have anything like it wasn't that long ago they could have you know

00:56:35.680 fully automatic 50 cal helicopter out of machine guns in their backyard and that is no longer

00:56:41.180 legal so to the extent that they have been act they have been outlawing things gradually um it

00:56:47.200 could continue you know the pattern is not the pattern is not more freedom there the pattern is

00:56:52.540 definitely disarmament over time but it is very it is a very slow roll and you're right that it's

00:56:57.460 like five times a year that they're like they're gonna take our guns away and it's only one in 50

00:57:01.660 times that they actually get away with it if anything the atf has been kind of defanged this

00:57:06.580 past year under biden so that's the thing like to me there's almost no correlation between

00:57:12.260 each manufactured shooting and a piece of legislation that succeeds again it's they

00:57:18.420 just suck at it they're i don't doubt that that is why they're doing it i really do think some

00:57:22.640 of these shootings are fabricated and they are doing them to try to disarm they're just bad at 1.00

00:57:26.680 it they're incompetent they're just shooting you stupidly um and this this cybertruck thing could 0.99

00:57:34.120 be an op or it could just be a guy who's genuine with everything he says and he thought blowing up 0.98

00:57:38.600 a cyber truck would help you know i mean is that an op too i don't know how you know what i mean

00:57:43.940 it doesn't make sense yeah none of it makes sense and nothing ever part of this is the nothing

00:57:48.040 nothing ever happens because like we're not look we if you if you show the stuff that's going on

00:57:53.500 today to ourselves five or ten years ago or anybody be like okay so you have unknown drones

00:58:00.840 What even is a drone? You got explosions. You got multiple assassination attempts on a reality TV president. You got war in Iran, in Israel, in Ukraine. You got China cutting the cables to Taiwan. You got you got everything you got.

00:58:15.900 now trump's gonna annex canada he's gonna buy greenland he's gonna rename the gulf of mexico

00:58:19.940 like this is this is absolute pandemonium but also none of it is real or seems to matter at all 0.98

00:58:29.780 like it's is it just total burnout because like to me it's like all of this stuff i fuck i'll take 0.94

00:58:35.600 any of the three of these and just make them real and let's run with that but as far until any of 0.97

00:58:40.340 these actually happen none of them are fucking like to me the drone thing is not even fucking 0.53

00:58:44.360 real and it's not i mean this is the stance i have to take at this point it's not real because 0.71

00:58:48.920 all i'm seeing is stuff on the news and there's a hundred different stories and none of them add up 0.82

00:58:53.220 i'm just i just want to grill at some point man or rather i have i have my own shit to deal with 0.69

00:58:58.360 and this is insanity yeah i'm going to give the drone story a couple of weeks to breathe 0.83

00:59:03.200 and come back to it to say well where did we land on that and where we landed was nowhere

00:59:07.040 nowhere exactly is it where does this go or like the same with the balloons or the same with all

00:59:11.000 the assassination like you're saying assassination assassination they're not going to let him become

00:59:14.740 president and then there's going to be a revolution and then we're like a week and a half away from

00:59:20.040 inauguration it's like oh actually there was no real genuine opposition nobody really didn't want

00:59:26.640 him to be president he's actually the establishment candidate and everything's fine it's fine in the

00:59:31.060 sense that he's not going to do anything that he promised and also nobody's angry everything is 0.88

00:59:35.080 business as usual like and what else did you fucking expect honestly what did you expect 0.70

00:59:40.740 Donald Trump being elected, there was no strategy there. 0.97

00:59:44.520 There was no op.

00:59:45.660 It was just the most popular man got elected.

00:59:49.340 He didn't outsmart the system.

00:59:52.240 He outsmarted the system because actually the most people voted for him and the system allowed it to happen.

00:59:57.500 That's just what happened. 0.99

00:59:59.060 It's just fucking democracy. 0.99

01:00:00.880 Kamala's like, but what if I play to lose? 1.00

01:00:03.900 It's like, no, Kamala, it doesn't work. 0.68

01:00:06.080 She's the one trying to strategize.

01:00:07.600 She's the only one who thinks he could outsmart the system.

01:00:09.420 Trump learned the first time he can't outsmart the system, right?

01:00:12.820 And then, like, the truth here is that everything is what it seems like in the original reporting.

01:00:19.800 If you just believe the original report, like, I think there were drones.

01:00:23.140 I think there's videos and enough people saw drones say, OK, there was drones there.

01:00:29.140 We don't know why, but that's just like the balloons.

01:00:32.320 Like, yes, there were balloons.

01:00:33.280 That was a real thing that happened.

01:00:35.360 And I probably believe that there's more of those balloons out there.

01:00:37.540 okay that's what we know maybe that's that's enough to be concerned anything on top of that

01:00:43.720 is just speculation and so with with donald trump yep there was he just got elected and now everything

01:00:49.600 everything is what it seems and you know maybe california is on fire just because that's normal

01:00:55.960 because for something to be an op means it's abnormal it means it had to be engineered to

01:01:02.760 be that way from some competent actor or actors or organization the worst part is that it's just 0.97

01:01:09.340 a bunch of shit that's happening and that the actors are incompetent and the things that they 0.71

01:01:13.380 do cause into almost cancel each other out at some points and it's a comedy of errors and then 0.98

01:01:19.580 we're just there saying well what what could this mean i don't think it means anything i think a 0.75

01:01:23.300 bunch of dumb shit's happening and yes there's a conspiracy but the conspiracies themselves are 0.99

01:01:27.220 all so fucking stupid and don't make sense to me anymore yeah it's pretty weak the only part of it 1.00

01:01:32.800 that makes i think you've essentially summarized it like to me the part the only way any of this 1.00

01:01:37.360 can be made sense of is that it the reason they all seem like silly broken pieces of a stupid 1.00

01:01:43.960 thing is because that's that's what it is it's dumb it's incompetent it's a bunch of people 1.00

01:01:49.340 trying to do big things without the tools and they're not communicating with each other and 0.93

01:01:53.280 they're stepping on each other's toes and yelling at each other and it's going to get more like that

01:01:58.220 so in some sense the intensity of this is going to increase in another sense how much it matters

01:02:03.560 is going to decrease and it's just going to become a background din of top-down insanity until the

01:02:10.560 whole thing just i suppose washes away one day but we're reading the news we're watching the news

01:02:17.520 and take in all this information

01:02:19.620 the same way I would watch the show

01:02:21.420 Landman.

01:02:23.020 This started off, it was really good. 0.98

01:02:25.380 This is just dumb now. 0.78

01:02:27.280 I can tell you where the writers got lost 1.00

01:02:29.460 in their own bullshit. That's how we're looking 1.00

01:02:31.340 at these fucking headlines. 0.99

01:02:33.580 This UFO thing, they lost the plot. 1.00

01:02:36.360 I'll tell you what happened.

01:02:37.460 They switched up the writer's room.

01:02:39.280 They didn't know how to keep the consistency 0.99

01:02:41.420 atoned, so now it's just a fucking mess. 0.99

01:02:44.100 This whole thing is like season 0.99

01:02:45.520 five of Arrested Development.

01:02:47.520 And I'm going to keep watching it because I'm so invested in the UFO thing. 0.99

01:02:51.620 Like the fucking X-Files. 0.98

01:02:53.540 They had a few bad seasons in there. 0.99

01:02:55.120 But you know what?

01:02:56.220 I think they're going to pull it together for the finale.

01:02:59.280 Yep.

01:03:01.420 And I'm going to get to kind of tie that together in just a second.

01:03:04.800 I want to get to a bit of show news first, and I'll keep it quick.

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01:03:15.340 That's the short documentary that we produced. 0.84

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01:03:51.560 sizes are going fast so if you want to get in on that get on soon um also there's a new real 0.95

01:03:57.100 secret coffee hours that i released uh on and people are going to like this one uh real secret

01:04:03.420 coffee hours of course is our paywall show available on gumroad and patreon and this one

01:04:08.440 was all about rad femme hitler if you remember her we talked about her on the show yeah um she was uh 1.00

01:04:15.900 mentioned in that that i guess they called her a fem cell shooter there's a girl who was a mass

01:04:21.560 shooter called herself a fem cell she has a boyfriend of course uh there's a rumor that

01:04:26.500 radfam hitler was mentioned in the manifesto there's a whole bunch of conflicting drama about 0.93

01:04:31.540 this let's get to the bottom of what fucking happened what caused radfam hitler to lose her 0.98

01:04:36.680 fucking mind and all the the conspiracy to bring her down with a mass shooter it's very interesting 1.00

01:04:44.540 stuff if you have an interest in just busted bitches just utterly washed um also we had a 1.00

01:04:55.700 new article on vanguard's journal published talked about that last time um whiteness has perpetual 0.98

01:05:00.640 revolt give that a look really proud of that one um so moving on um there's an article that really

01:05:06.940 ties together everything we were just talking about um and i read this it was sitting in my

01:05:12.960 to read pile for quite some time but i just got around to it now it's on tablet magazine

01:05:17.540 tabletmag.com and it says it's called rapid onset political enlightenment the subtitle is how barack

01:05:26.240 obama built an omnipotent thought machine and how it was destroyed by david samuels we're talking

01:05:33.200 about you know propaganda techniques and the dissemination of information and all these

01:05:37.800 conflicting narratives and stuff and it's a lot of it seems to localize on the presidency of

01:05:43.620 barack obama but also has stuck with him because barack obama for some reason is still a cultural

01:05:49.880 force barack obama seems to be involved in politics way more than you would expect him to be 0.96

01:05:55.940 way more than someone like you know george w bush was like when when the fuck did you see george w 0.61

01:06:01.020 bush pop up after he stopped being president he disappeared so he's gone so did bill clinton so

01:06:06.840 did all of them but like baragamama is like still around and just doing things and that that's odd

01:06:13.460 and i think people should recognize that that's odd um so i'm just going to read a bit of this

01:06:18.840 and you can give me your thoughts i was reading it but it says um it starts with any if anyone in

01:06:25.180 the future cares enough to write an authentic history of the 2024 presidential campaign they

01:06:29.260 might begin by noting that american politics exists downstream from american culture culture

01:06:33.600 which is a deep and broad river um something big something big changed sometime after the year 2000

01:06:39.900 in the way we communicated with each other and by the means and the means by which we absorbed

01:06:45.000 new information and formed a working picture of the world around us what change can be understood

01:06:49.560 as the effect of the ongoing transition from the world the 20th century media to our current

01:06:54.160 digital landscape the time was ripe in other words for a cultural revolution which would

01:06:59.240 according to the established patterns of American history,

01:07:02.040 in turn generate a political one.

01:07:04.820 It says,

01:07:05.340 I first became interested in the role of digital technology

01:07:08.120 in reshaping American politics a decade ago

01:07:10.460 when I reported on the selling of Barack Obama's Iran deal

01:07:14.080 for the New York Times magazine.

01:07:15.980 By the time I became interested in the subject,

01:07:17.680 the outcome of Obama's campaign to sell the deal,

01:07:20.880 which had become the policy cornerstone

01:07:22.500 of his second term in office,

01:07:23.940 was a fait accompli.

01:07:25.260 The deal seemed odd to me, 1.00

01:07:26.600 not only because American Jews

01:07:28.060 were historically a key player in the democratic party but because the deal seemed to actively

01:07:32.280 undermine the core assumptions of u.s security architecture in the middle east whose goals were

01:07:36.560 to ensure the steady flow of middle eastern oil to global markets while keeping u.s troops out of

01:07:40.560 the region a middle east in which the u.s actively balanced a revisionist anti-american power like

01:07:45.640 iran against traditional u.s allies like saudi arabia and israel seemed guaranteed to become a

01:07:50.780 more volatile region that would require exactly the kinds of active military intervention that

01:07:55.720 obama claimed to want to avoid in the course of my reporting i began to see obama's plan for the

01:08:00.680 middle east not as a a geopolitical maneuver but as a device to remake the democratic party which

01:08:07.280 would do in part by rewiring the machinery that produced what a brilliant young political theorist

01:08:11.840 named walter litman once identified in 1922 as public opinion the collapse of the 20th century

01:08:20.020 media pyramid on which litman's assumptions rested and in rapid replacement by monopoly

01:08:24.800 social media platforms made it possible for the obama white house to sell policy and reconfigure

01:08:30.720 social attitudes and prejudices in new ways in fact obama's chief speech writer and national

01:08:36.920 security aide ben rhodes a fiction writer by vocation argued to me on more than once in our

01:08:43.040 conversations the collapse of the world of print left obama with little choice but to forge a new

01:08:48.020 reality online to my mind the point of the story i was reporting in addition to being an interesting

01:08:54.360 exploration was twofold first it usefully warned of the potential distance between an underlying

01:09:00.120 reality and an invented reality that could be successfully managed from the white house which 0.54

01:09:05.460 suggested new potential for a large-scale disaster like the war in iraq uh that obama

01:09:10.200 had opposed from the beginning um what i did not imagine at the time was that obama's successor

01:09:15.040 of the white house would not be hillary clinton but donald trump nor did i foresee that trump

01:09:18.840 would himself become the target of a messaging campaign that would make full use of the machine

01:09:23.620 that Obama had built, along with elements of the American security state.

01:09:27.880 Being physically inside the White House, it turned out, was a mere detail of power.

01:09:32.640 Even more substantial power lay in controlling the digital switchboard that Obama had built,

01:09:37.740 and which it turned out he still controlled.

01:09:40.240 During the Trump years, Obama used the tools of the digital age to craft an entirely new

01:09:44.700 type of power center for himself, one that revolved around his unique position as the

01:09:49.040 titular though never named head of the democratic party that he succeeded in refashioning in his

01:09:55.320 own image after which after hillary's loss had officially supplanted the centrist clinton

01:10:00.100 neoliberal machine in the 90s the obama democratic party was a kind of balancing mechanism between

01:10:05.800 the power and money of the silicon valley oligarchs and their new york bankers the

01:10:11.200 interests of bureaucratic and professional elites who shuttled between the banks and tech companies

01:10:15.540 and the work of bureaucratic oversight.

01:10:18.240 The ODP's own sectarian constituencies,

01:10:21.300 which are divided into racial and ethnic categories

01:10:24.020 like POC and MENA and Latinx,

01:10:26.580 whose bizarre bureaucratic nomenclature

01:10:28.660 signaled their inherent existence,

01:10:30.920 and the world of billionaire-funded NGOs

01:10:33.480 that provided foot soldiers and enforcers

01:10:35.760 for the party's efforts at social transformation.

01:10:39.320 I really think that's interesting,

01:10:40.540 that a lot of people would remark that,

01:10:43.260 a lot of the blue shift,

01:10:44.820 a lot of the online discourse promoting obama seemed manufactured i was like no yeah that was

01:10:49.880 a machine that was created mainly by barack obama because i and that would explain why

01:10:56.360 he is still relevant why he's still consequential because he create he created the democratic party 0.95

01:11:03.080 as this sort of like multi-ethnic fucking machine while also in league with all the banks and

01:11:08.180 everything and also these social justice things that's why when they talk about you know putting 0.99

01:11:12.620 the woke away or whatever i'm like well to do that you might need to actually destroy the

01:11:17.080 democratic party because i really do think that the engine behind this thing is a lot bigger

01:11:22.500 than people would initially think and even like we talk about to the extent that he refashioned

01:11:27.300 the party it isn't just the party it's the party in in relationship to all of those other

01:11:31.920 institutions like the ngos and the banks and the silicon valley oligarchs and you know and these

01:11:37.980 all these these reading and writing groups like this is the one you you just reviewed with the

01:11:41.940 prude the other day the um what's her name the uh the white fragility or or whatever yeah robin

01:11:48.800 d'angelo that all comes out of the same milieu so those people if the if the campaign plan was to

01:11:55.160 pull all of those people together to identify the ways that they can help and work off of each other

01:12:00.000 to create this new type of party yeah i mean you got to get rid of the democratic party but now 0.97

01:12:04.540 you have banks ngos and silicon valley and and gay black wheelchair ladies are all on the same 0.93

01:12:12.140 team and how do you separate those right like each of those things is individually less dangerous on 0.99

01:12:17.720 their own if you could just break them apart yeah and that's the thing like when you talk about like

01:12:21.900 wokeness or social justice or all that you think oh this is just almost a bottom-up academic

01:12:27.340 phenomena they infiltrated the institutions like no no no i think the institution started it

01:12:33.120 and then found jobs for these. 1.00

01:12:35.540 If there's anything we know about latinx and blacks and gays, 1.00

01:12:38.660 it's that they are all evenly retarded and incapable of upward motion. 1.00

01:12:45.040 So the fact that they're in the position they're in, 0.99

01:12:47.060 we know definitely that they were put there by somebody above them.

01:12:51.160 They were brought up there.

01:12:53.780 Yeah, it says here,

01:12:54.860 even more unusual and alarming was what followed Trump's defeat in 2020.

01:12:58.900 With the Democrats back in power,

01:13:00.200 the new messaging apparatus can now formally include

01:13:02.720 not just social institutional pressure, but the enforcement arms of the federal bureaucracy from

01:13:07.660 the Justice Department to the FBI to the SEC. As the machine ramped up censoring dissenting opinions

01:13:13.280 on everything from COVID to DEI programs to police conduct to the prevalence and effect of hormone

01:13:18.800 therapies and surgeries on the youth, large numbers of people began feeling pressured by an external

01:13:23.840 force that they couldn't always name. Even greater numbers of people fell silent. At every turn over

01:13:29.740 the next four years it was like a fever was spreading and no one was immune spouses children

01:13:33.520 colleagues supervisors at work began reciting with the forces of true believers slogans they'd

01:13:38.440 only learned last week the sudden sometimes overnight appearance of beliefs phrases ticks

01:13:43.460 looked a lot like mass social contagions of the 1950s um yeah so i don't need to read the whole

01:13:49.600 thing but that's setting up what i i truly believe which is that barack obama is more of a political

01:13:58.160 player than people give him credit for which maybe makes him more intelligent than i gave him credit

01:14:03.300 for now the question is whether or not it is him or the organism backing him because remember

01:14:11.000 barack obama came out of nowhere barack obama was like a guy i remember when obama was elected

01:14:16.460 he was a senator of course but no one knew him that's made him exciting he's a young guy he's

01:14:21.980 got no baggage and everything who's this who's this young buck who's seemingly miraculously in

01:14:28.180 line for the presidency right that those were real stories those are real headlines at the time 0.99

01:14:32.660 he was a fucking nobody how does that happen that doesn't happen that doesn't happen without 0.98

01:14:38.160 serious institutional backing so you know i'm not so naive to believe that baroque obama is even 0.99

01:14:44.320 the monarch of this scheme but there's there's some kind of mechanism behind him that's using

01:14:49.720 him still at least in my opinion because i don't even think he's that machiavellian really he does 0.92

01:14:54.980 seem kind of dopey and he he lifts with women's weights and all kinds of weird shit like that 0.79

01:14:59.080 he's not weird enough to be cool like there's not one cool thing about obama it's not like he's 0.99

01:15:05.140 never caught doing anything interesting other than i guess marrying a man marrying a woman

01:15:11.160 bigger muscles than him right you know like a weird what's that about that's a story i want

01:15:16.460 to hear about. The rest of it's like, oh, he likes

01:15:18.200 Bruce Springsteen and Bob

01:15:20.340 Dillon. No one likes those two

01:15:22.400 at the same time. He's the first

01:15:24.240 Asian president. He is the first 0.90

01:15:26.440 Asian president.

01:15:29.660 Amazing.

01:15:31.700 That's so

01:15:32.420 good.

01:15:35.940 Guy

01:15:36.420 talked about how he learned a lot from playing chess.

01:15:38.640 No, he didn't. Only Asian people learn 1.00

01:15:40.240 from chess. 1.00

01:15:42.240 White people learn from Rome 1.00

01:15:44.160 and black people learn from the street. 1.00

01:15:45.980 Those are the two things you fucking learn 1.00

01:15:48.200 Just two different types of genocide 0.99

01:15:51.480 Alright

01:15:52.540 We gotta move on because there's something I want to cover here

01:15:54.940 That you're gonna find very interesting

01:15:56.540 I think the audience is gonna like

01:15:58.640 It's a book I covered

01:16:01.080 Recently that really is only tangentially

01:16:03.240 Related to what I was just talking about

01:16:04.980 But we are going to attempt to

01:16:07.120 Segway anyway

01:16:07.900 It's titled The Silent Brotherhood

01:16:10.800 The chilling inside story

01:16:13.280 Of America's violent anti-government

01:16:15.220 militia movement uh written by uh kevin flint so like uh the fame of dead man's deeds about

01:16:22.300 william luther pierce this is a historical account written by a as far as i can tell a

01:16:29.920 liberal journalist but it's a good story it's a comprehensive story and if you have seen the

01:16:36.120 movie the order which was just released uh starring jude law i hear it's all right uh

01:16:42.260 it's this story it's the story of the or the silent brotherhood aka the order told in striking

01:16:50.080 detail enough detail that i was suspicious reading it how they got this information because you would

01:16:56.040 think that okay um you have the the news stories you can pull from yes maybe you have rats and

01:17:03.860 informants on the inside who gave you something yes but you know it seems like the author was 0.99

01:17:08.380 privy to very intimate conversations that took place between two people in a in a fucking cabin 0.96

01:17:15.540 in the woods right like how how would you get they weren't bugged i don't know if you got like 0.97

01:17:21.400 the wife to rally there's too many scenes in this book that seem a bit too perfect a bit too

01:17:27.340 dramatic right or that maybe the author took some creative liberties i don't know it just it's it's 0.98

01:17:34.120 a very engaging book it's so engaging that it makes you wonder how the fuck he got that level 0.75

01:17:39.980 of detail is all i'm saying i don't want to levy any accusations but it's a story it's really

01:17:45.840 fascinating story of bob matthews and really the story it's called it says it's the story of the

01:17:51.320 entire militia movement it just mentions other sort of white nationalist breakaway extremist

01:17:56.740 groups but it all feeds into this one story so don't expect a full history of the entire militia

01:18:03.740 movement in the u.s that's a very wide reaching history but it's just this one group but like

01:18:09.560 when you start telling any story about anyone these groups you're kind of telling the story

01:18:13.060 of five like when you were talking about william luther pierce and national alliance the order

01:18:17.060 was involved in that because it's a lot of people's beliefs i think this is true that the order

01:18:21.680 contributed significantly to the national alliance and allowed william luther pierce to buy his

01:18:26.560 compound because otherwise where they they have evidence that william luther pierce was given like 0.93

01:18:32.360 a bag of fucking money yeah and where did that money come from from robbing banks which sounds 0.92

01:18:38.200 cool i'm not going to say i endorse crime or violence i'm just saying on the pyramid of 0.99

01:18:46.280 acceptable crimes i think armored car robberies are at the top like armored car robberies are

01:18:53.100 just like a cool cowboy thing to do uh robbing banks like i'm not emotionally invested in robbing

01:18:59.400 banks. I'm trying to figure, there's a lot to tell. There's a lot I'm going to not get to in

01:19:03.940 this book. A lot of side characters and side plots. I'm going to try and keep this as narrow

01:19:08.020 as possible. But just to give you the broad strokes. Their enemy, the government of the

01:19:14.180 United States. I was tried for conspiring to seditiously overthrow the United States

01:19:21.500 government. And that is one of the proudest moments of my life. Tonight, you'll hear from

01:19:26.600 the men who may have set the example for the deadly bombing in Oklahoma City the Oklahoma

01:19:32.040 bombing didn't surprise me people seem so shocked that it was domestic terrorism I don't know why

01:19:36.840 that's what we did what this group did was rob and kill in the name of revolution

01:19:44.520 the story follows their evolution from a guy a pretty a well-meaning successful guy

01:19:52.400 white nationalist who wants to create the breakaway society he wants to go to the pacific northwest

01:19:58.560 buy some land start a community right and what's interesting about this and this is made very

01:20:06.080 apparent early on it's that whereas other groups a lot of militia groups and these these other

01:20:10.800 extremist groups they were trying to attract young men single men met sorted for violent

01:20:17.140 tendencies this one would have its way to filter for married men they wanted more mature guys they

01:20:24.220 wanted guys who either had families or were interested in starting families to move to this

01:20:30.620 compound but also take up arms also to become sort of these warriors and you never hear about that

01:20:35.740 um and so that that's what really stood out to me well what actually happens right because we

01:20:40.420 kind of know what happens when these groups are staffed with just young men uh looking for a war

01:20:47.020 a fight they tend to turn into cartels and gangs on a long enough timeline but does that happen

01:20:51.880 here well unfortunately by degrees you see it starts off as this sort of just breakaway

01:20:58.540 civilization with the best intentions then they need to get income they need to generate revenue 0.99

01:21:03.060 well what do you do well fuck why don't we steal from the same system that persecutes us so they 0.99

01:21:07.220 start stealing from like armored cars and like robbing pornography stores and like there's one 0.99

01:21:13.360 point early early on this is so fucking funny they said what are we gonna do you know we should 0.99

01:21:19.560 rob pimps right we should rob like those fuck these street hustlers right but they're a bunch 1.00

01:21:24.880 of fucking white nationalist guys so they they're just starting like cruising around looking for 1.00

01:21:29.060 black guys dressed flamboyantly like just kind of a pimp like guy so any any black guy at that time 1.00

01:21:36.520 in like the 80s and whatnot wearing like leopard print pants like get him get that pimp it's just 0.97

01:21:41.660 like a guy with no money walking down the street and they're like wow this really isn't working i

01:21:46.960 guess we need to step it up like hey i i see how the gears are turning in your head

01:21:51.800 but by degrees it goes from that to what we should assassinate someone and there's a hard line where

01:22:00.480 it just becomes this other thing and you would ask the question what would have happened if they

01:22:06.840 never crossed that line we'll get to what that line is a little bit we think what if they just

01:22:10.700 hey maybe they just kept robbing because every robbery they did got bigger and bigger and bigger

01:22:14.680 as they all do you get more brazen you get more confident you say well why don't we start

01:22:19.220 robbing you know the first job gets you like a hundred grand the next one gets you three million 0.97

01:22:24.340 and so why don't we why don't we rob the the depot where the money's held for brinks because 0.99

01:22:30.300 that's what they're planning as well it's like motherfucker like a lot of these you get away 0.99

01:22:35.120 just by the skin of your teeth right but it's like no no we're good at this now let's just try 0.99

01:22:39.980 and rob the federal reserve like no no no no but that's how they end up getting that's how you end

01:22:44.820 up getting caught but then if they didn't do that and they didn't get into assassinating people that

01:22:50.640 they didn't like it's like maybe they could have made something however the argument i've made

01:22:55.420 before is these are always destined to become that i think i think the order is probably the

01:23:01.020 most well-documented example of this happening and of course it ends in tragedy but on the way

01:23:06.960 the tragedy they get away with a lot right they made as good an attempt as i think any group ever

01:23:12.860 did for pulling it off and one thing you notice when reading the book they were off the radar of

01:23:18.900 the fbi for a long time he makes a comment early on in the book about how um the fbi like they

01:23:25.300 would always joke about how anytime there was a white nationalist conference or an aryan conference

01:23:30.520 or Nazi conference like

01:23:32.600 a third of the people there were informants

01:23:34.960 right that's what

01:23:36.860 they would say however they never had

01:23:38.780 an informant in the order

01:23:39.940 from the sounds of it like not to the very very end

01:23:42.920 when it was falling apart but like

01:23:44.180 to hear them tell it like

01:23:46.820 they had no idea what was going on for like

01:23:48.840 a while and I think that was

01:23:50.980 that was interesting that was more and

01:23:52.680 the guy they only found out

01:23:54.820 about because like one guy was tasked to

01:23:56.800 the area and he was just kind of like

01:23:58.180 weird about it but if there wasn't one like die-hard gumshoe on the case then they could 0.97

01:24:04.020 have probably pulled off a lot of their schemes which ended up being trying to trigger the day

01:24:09.900 of the robe they wanted to cause the turner diaries by the end of it in september the author

01:24:16.260 of the turner diaries had matthew speak to his neo-nazi organization in virginia the signs of

01:24:22.480 awakening are sprouting up across the northwest and no more so than amongst the two fisted 0.60

01:24:28.860 farmers and ranchers a class of our people who have been hit especially hard by the filthy 1.00

01:24:35.300 lying jews and their parasitical usury system bob matthews was ready to launch his revolution so 1.00

01:24:42.320 kinsman duty calls the future is now so stand up like men and drive the enemy into the sea 0.99

01:24:50.060 so they had plans to like attack the power grid of a major metropolitan area by the end of it

01:24:56.400 they had all this stuff drawn up and i believe it um and this might be the last time anyone

01:25:02.420 in that sphere tried anything like that so i'm just going to start by i'm going to read a lot

01:25:08.080 of this right and i have it i might just blaze through it because i want to get the full story

01:25:12.200 and you can give me your thoughts as i'm reading it but so we're going to start with a guy bob

01:25:17.060 Matthews as erstwhile squire of a little spread in Medellin Falls, Washington, population 285.

01:25:24.120 Matthews was robust and handsome, born with a quick, disarming smile.

01:25:27.020 His wife spent her days rearing their adopted three-year-old son, and his widowed mother lived next door on the land.

01:25:33.400 Until Matthews quit his job a year earlier, he worked at a cement plant all day,

01:25:37.420 then busted his butt pulling calves, cutting hay, or doing other chores around his small cattle ranch.

01:25:42.740 by all accounts he was a hard-working family man dedicated to making it on his own there was just 0.98

01:25:47.940 one blotch that all-american image he wanted to rid the world of jews that's just how it's written

01:25:53.640 i'm like so what's the bad part what do you mean what's the blotch in the image

01:25:58.000 honestly like you're really taken by this bob matthews figure especially early on where

01:26:03.260 i'm going to paraphrase what happens is like he's he's a young man he is a hard-working guy

01:26:08.160 and he's a fairly religious he's a he was raised in an atheist family and rebelled against them

01:26:13.500 to become a mormon and to him christian and he he was raised in sort of like the secular family

01:26:18.380 and he wanted to become you know the white nationalist traditionalist over here against

01:26:23.040 their wishes and uh really break on his own and on his own this is the early story he he busted his 0.98

01:26:30.480 ass he got married and he did the thing a lot of guys talk about which is i want to start a 0.98

01:26:35.580 community of my people and he bought the fucking land he bought the land by on up up a mountain 0.99

01:26:42.340 of course and there was a ridge there and it was known as a hook nose ridge i'm sure that was just 0.99

01:26:49.500 coincidental but uh he did and he built he built a fucking cabin with his bare hands not only that 0.98

01:26:55.520 he moved his ungrateful parents out there and he said you know what i made a promise to you 0.98

01:26:59.760 when i was younger i was gonna build us a house that we could all live in and by god he did it 0.98

01:27:05.600 and he built it in fucking self his parents grumbled up there because they didn't like 0.99

01:27:10.380 you know they made him promise he was done with all that you know white nationalist that nazi 1.00

01:27:14.580 stuff i'm like you know what is that nazi stuff that had your son building you a fucking house 0.99

01:27:19.620 a dream house you know what i mean and like it's just it's hard not to identify with this guy who 0.98

01:27:26.200 like really seemed to love his family and wanted to create this perfect life with his wife and they

01:27:31.880 couldn't conceive and so they had to adopt a kid like it's it's really just a tragic sort of

01:27:37.080 domestic situation but he's suffering through and you hear the story about him working his ass off

01:27:41.820 just day and night whatever work he could find you know he's an honest guy and then he kind of

01:27:48.060 gets into his beliefs later as he starts attending these sort of church sermons and stuff but

01:27:53.060 he goes over here it says in september 1983 in a barn-like shed on his farm in the northeast

01:27:59.760 corner of washington state matthews formed a group he later named the silent brotherhood that

01:28:04.420 came later this is earlier over 15 months it became the most dangerous right-wing underground

01:28:09.140 group since the ku klux klan first rode more than a century earlier matthews was not content

01:28:13.900 as were other extremists to play soldier in the woods or cheerlead from the sidelines

01:28:18.860 nor was the random unorganized racial violence that often bubbles to the surface of american

01:28:23.800 society to be his hallmark and in his group it says there was a drifter here an embittered loner

01:28:30.660 hate-filled there but they were outnumbered by people who abandoned their careers families and

01:28:35.840 lives with a promise to follow the cause only one of matthews's followers had done prison time most

01:28:42.080 of the others were law-abiding folk who as their frustration with america's course grew harder to

01:28:47.080 handle gradually almost casually slipped into the world of extremism he wanted to cement the

01:28:53.220 fragmented right wing with stolen money as mortar and link link clansmen neo-nazis survivalists

01:29:00.700 tax protesters militant farmers identity churches and other groups whose unifying characteristic is

01:29:07.520 distrust in the government they love their country but hated the government and there's

01:29:11.460 just something ingenious about that because even back then these are all groups that are pretty

01:29:16.060 fractured but he envisioned bringing them together over the shared course shared cause rather of

01:29:22.000 hating the government and and he did a pretty good job right and that's something even people

01:29:27.920 talk about in our season how can you reconcile these sort of track guys over here with these

01:29:31.140 other types this has been a problem been working on for a long time so authorities were alarmed

01:29:37.620 at the harrowing plans the group laid sabotage against dams water supplies utility and communication

01:29:43.680 lines all designed to transform 0.97

01:29:45.760 American cities into Beirut

01:29:47.600 they stopped Matthews only four months

01:29:49.920 short of attempting the shutdown

01:29:51.460 of a major US city through terrorism

01:29:54.100 and he goes into his plan here

01:29:59.120 Matthews Bob Matthews first

01:30:01.560 proposed a peaceful plan for whites to migrate

01:30:03.800 to the Pacific Northwest which he 0.93

01:30:05.760 called the White American Bastion 1.00

01:30:07.460 it is no accident that the Silent Brotherhood 0.98

01:30:09.720 was spawned in the American West

01:30:11.380 It is a land of huge proportions, its vast emptiness alluring the frontier spirit.

01:30:17.020 It is that frontier spirit that produced the Posse Comaditus, American Agricultural Movement, Sagebush Rebellion, Aryan Nations, and other far-right groups.

01:30:28.240 Over the last two decades, America's backwoods became dotted with survivalist training camps.

01:30:33.540 a clan run camp in anahuac texas taught guerrilla warfare techniques a christian survival school

01:30:39.800 deep in the arkansas ozarks taught urban warfare in a silhouette city constructed hollywood set

01:30:45.680 like in the forest this is the first time hearing one like this all sounds so fucking cool

01:30:49.940 the leader of the carolina knights of the kkk fraser glenn miller claimed a thousand men would

01:30:56.080 answer his trumpet call at algier north carolina and they'd be dressed not in white sheets but in

01:31:00.840 combat fatigues ready for race war the armed camps of the right were well prepared for war but they

01:31:05.620 weren't inclined to instigate it matthews changed that and i think that's interesting like he did

01:31:12.140 not pioneer any of the you know survivors in fact he drew from these existing groups he drew from a

01:31:19.380 lot of the leaders who were creating these programs that were very very well funded like these were

01:31:25.640 military style training programs but once again you look at those groups and this is something

01:31:32.260 not i'm not trying to even make a moral judgment because i would say this to every gang and cartel

01:31:37.640 that whenever you bring young men together and you train them for war they will eventually seek

01:31:45.980 out war if you train warriors those warriors will try and find a war they cannot find a war they

01:31:51.080 will start a war that's exactly what happened in the order that's what happened with gangs

01:31:55.580 You know, if you look at the Bloods and the Crips, the Bloods and the Crips early on, like early, early on, started as gangs, of course, but they didn't start as just selling heroin. 0.81

01:32:04.920 They started as like black people joining together. 0.98

01:32:07.780 Like they sound like white people.

01:32:08.880 We need brotherhood. 0.99

01:32:09.680 We need to join together.

01:32:10.560 We need to be tough.

01:32:11.320 We need to be men.

01:32:12.440 We need to stake our claim out in our area.

01:32:14.500 And then if you do that enough, eventually it's like, well, we also need money because what do young men want?

01:32:20.420 They want status.

01:32:21.560 They want money.

01:32:23.080 And that's when crime occurs. 0.59

01:32:25.520 And that's what happened with biker gangs.

01:32:26.660 Biker gangs didn't start selling crystal meth,

01:32:29.280 but inevitably it comes like that. 1.00

01:32:31.640 So one must wonder if you don't prepare for this,

01:32:35.600 eventually you got,

01:32:37.360 you got a thousand men according to you ready, 0.65

01:32:40.760 ready for a race war. 0.99

01:32:42.540 It's impossible that they don't try and start it. 1.00

01:32:44.960 Right.

01:32:45.600 And what are you going to do about that?

01:32:47.460 Is that what you want?

01:32:48.520 If it's not what you want,

01:32:49.400 then you need a different sort of five-year plan to do something with that

01:32:53.900 energy because it will explode or it will explode outward or inward meaning that it like it just

01:33:01.060 turns on itself so that's just one thing i've learned from reading these these cases anyway

01:33:06.200 um it says robert bolivar depoe who found a group in independence missouri in 1961 that became one

01:33:16.980 of the most feared right-wing movements of the time it was defiant self-righteous and brazenly

01:33:21.980 militant it had weaponry a secret cell structure and paranoid paranoid worldview that misinformed

01:33:28.220 critics had attributed to the john birch society but by comparison the birchers were benign

01:33:32.960 after all a person could contact the birch society by thumbing through the phone book

01:33:37.080 the minutemen however could be contacted only if a person knew what payphone to call

01:33:42.360 at what time of the week i just love little details like that that's the part i found most

01:33:47.120 interesting about this book is just the the minutiae of how they did things and how how

01:33:53.180 secretive some of them were compared to others it's i tell you they weren't running websites

01:33:58.880 i'll tell you that its members belong to secret numbered networks they held survivalist camps for

01:34:03.920 weapons and explosive training they kept intelligence folders on activities in their

01:34:07.980 areas clipping newspapers for items containing potential enemies they filed intelligence cards

01:34:13.660 on friend and foe and every contact.

01:34:16.260 Police said they planned to blow up

01:34:17.620 a suburban Seattle police station

01:34:19.620 and a power plant to provide diversion

01:34:21.800 for four bank robberies.

01:34:23.900 After all his trials and appeals,

01:34:25.280 DePoe served four years of a 10-year prison sentence

01:34:27.780 for firearms violations.

01:34:29.480 He later was a leader of the ultra-conservative

01:34:32.020 umbrella group called the Committee of 10 Million.

01:34:36.420 So these are the people in and around the order at the time.

01:34:38.800 and as so his story of matthews was he started playing around in these these sort of groups

01:34:47.100 and his parents hated it then he got away from it then he wanted to he started up his own little

01:34:51.660 group on that farm that homestead he bought in secret didn't want his parents to know started

01:34:57.360 with a bunch of small recruits right it says matthews made a list of weapons that each recruit

01:35:01.940 should have a nine millimeter pistol a 308 assault rifle and a 12 gauge shotgun not a bad list then

01:35:09.800 clark went to each recruit's apartment and selected items they should pawn to buy those guns

01:35:14.180 television stereos and other mass culture distractions would have to go when clark

01:35:18.920 brought the recruits to matthews he had an awesome looking electronic box he called an e-meter

01:35:23.460 uh so he got you got like a scientology e-meter it was supposed to determine whether a man was

01:35:29.340 lying but everyone but everyone passed it including uh three of middleton's informants

01:35:34.380 so he actually had the e-meter and then the funny thing they mentioned later on is that he never got

01:35:40.540 rid of the e-meter he just bought more e-meters like this was like their tech guy so whenever

01:35:47.200 they had a big windfall of cash he would go out and the things he bought like telephone scramblers 0.95

01:35:53.740 all kinds of high-tech shit but he's trying to build this studio to ferret out liars and stuff 0.93

01:36:00.020 and so it's just all these like these like lie detector machines he would have just around 0.95

01:36:05.320 sort of like as a deterrent i guess because you know you didn't know how to use them really

01:36:09.840 but i'm like hey you know what i hear that i would do it any guy who's ever gotten in over

01:36:16.860 their head buying tools you know what that is you don't need that many ladders but you just

01:36:22.380 you want to have them around and what are your wife's going to say you're going to sell you

01:36:27.420 don't need that many e-meters five across the eyes how about that and it gets into the christian

01:36:36.340 identity movement and i love the part about christian identity he says um a man named swift

01:36:41.220 an ordained minister an ordained methodist minister was one of the best known advocates

01:36:46.100 in the united states of a doctrine known as christian identity he was anti-jew and anti-catholic

01:36:51.540 which was consistent with his past history of a kkk organizer he was a follower of gerald lk

01:36:57.820 smith a well-known racist who inspired george lincoln rockwell who are the true israelites

01:37:03.520 swift asked rhetorically before going through the heraldry of race the symbols and tribal signs

01:37:08.540 swift discussed the 48th and 49th chapters of genesis the prophecies of jacob for his 12 sons

01:37:14.760 and how the tribes they founded came down to this day to form the arian nations of europe

01:37:19.920 swift told his congregation there's no evidence of white man on earth before 7200 years ago

01:37:26.800 yet wherever the white man went after that there's a sudden explosion of civilization

01:37:31.340 butler felt like paul on the road to damascus what he heard uh this this is a guy named butler

01:37:37.700 we're talking about butler felt like what he heard neatly answered all his nagging questions

01:37:41.640 about life the crux of the doctrine was that european jews are not descended from ancient

01:37:46.620 Hebrew stock at all, but from Khazars,

01:37:48.980 residents of a warlike nation 0.72

01:37:50.520 of southern Russia who converted to Judaism

01:37:52.660 in the 8th or 9th century.

01:37:55.500 There's many

01:37:56.700 of our listeners who will be familiar with this sort of

01:37:58.600 thinking. They cannot claim lineage

01:38:00.520 from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob 0.70

01:38:02.540 and are not the covenant people

01:38:04.580 according to the identities genealogists.

01:38:07.300 On the contrary, today's

01:38:08.880 Nordic Anglo-Saxon 0.93

01:38:10.560 Tutankhites are the descendants of the 0.99

01:38:12.680 lost tribes of the biblical Israelites, making 1.00

01:38:14.520 white Christians the true people 0.96

01:38:16.580 of the covenant eve was seduced by the serpent and bore a son by him cain who slew his brother abel

01:38:22.760 after that adam was the first white man passed his seeds to another son seth who became father

01:38:29.020 of the white race god god's chosen people cain's descendants the identity movement says are the

01:38:35.400 jews who are literally the seed of satan so that's i think most of the christian identity ideology

01:38:42.880 wrapped up if anyone was wondering 1.00

01:38:45.340 Swift who suffered from diabetes

01:38:49.120 died in 1970

01:38:50.020 Butler the man who we're talking about

01:38:51.620 who was just attending those services

01:38:53.060 fell heir to his throne

01:38:54.940 although there's some debate

01:38:56.460 as to how readily

01:38:58.180 other people agree to that

01:39:00.880 it says

01:39:03.020 the Inland Empire was the perfect place

01:39:04.980 to start this church

01:39:06.200 this new church

01:39:07.020 this breakaway

01:39:07.840 more extreme

01:39:09.460 Christian identity movement

01:39:10.940 it says it's cold wet winters 1.00

01:39:12.840 gave it a nordic texture and it contained so few minorities that it wouldn't be difficult to alienate

01:39:17.320 those who attempted to remain in time butler formulated the goal of aryan nations so this is

01:39:24.280 him starting the aryan nations to establish a state representing the voice and will of the white

01:39:28.880 aryan race as a divinely ordained sovereign independent people separate from all alien 0.74

01:39:34.840 mongrel people in every sphere of their individual and national life butler began to sell family 0.98

01:39:40.380 memberships to Aryan Nations for $15 0.99

01:39:42.560 a year and members were 0.63

01:39:44.320 encouraged to tithe. Usually

01:39:45.640 35 to 50 people showed up for Sunday

01:39:48.420 services. By the 1980s

01:39:50.700 Butler claimed 6,000 members

01:39:52.480 in all 50 states in Canada

01:39:54.340 and 300 local members.

01:39:56.500 So this is the explosive 1.00

01:39:58.480 growth of the Aryan 0.99

01:40:00.460 Nations movement. 0.99

01:40:02.980 It continues on here

01:40:04.560 and this part's really interesting. Butler gained some

01:40:06.540 converts from prisons but it

01:40:08.480 didn't always work. One man who came to Hayden Lake after his release from federal prison in

01:40:12.540 Colorado took over and soon was corresponding with 1,200 inmates all over the nation. Interesting.

01:40:18.520 After a while, however, Butler began to sour on this man. The ex-con didn't think Butler was the

01:40:23.260 genuine article. Butler found the man's lifestyle, partying, getting high on drugs, distasteful.

01:40:28.800 But the worst part was that the new prison minister turned out to be homosexual. Gay 1.00

01:40:33.860 Nazis didn't fit into Butler's new Aryan nation, where men were obligated to plant their seed 0.99

01:40:38.420 where it could bear fruit.

01:40:40.660 If enough came to the Pacific Northwest,

01:40:43.120 they can control by sheer weight of numbers.

01:40:45.580 So this was the whole plan.

01:40:47.260 And even back then, 0.99

01:40:49.160 running into problems with gay Nazis. 0.98

01:40:51.520 Yep. 0.97

01:40:53.560 And there's one event that radicalized 0.85

01:40:55.900 the Aryan nations even further.

01:40:57.680 Some people said this was a false flag,

01:40:59.500 but there's no evidence given that in the book.

01:41:01.760 Basically, there was an attack on their compound

01:41:04.680 because they successfully built a compound out there.

01:41:07.420 They built it at the church.

01:41:08.080 they had you know enough people living on the property um half an hour at past midnight the

01:41:14.180 house shook violently jumping up butler looked to see smoke building out the side of arian hall

01:41:18.580 um the county undersheriff inspected the splintered beams shredded insulation and such

01:41:24.060 the bomb could have killed butler but uh broadband took the case seriously he shook his head at the

01:41:30.120 irony he would have expected the right wingers to be perpetrators not victims of a bomb attack

01:41:35.700 immediately a frenzy began to build 0.59

01:41:38.200 the Aryan Nations along with repairs of the kitchen 0.98

01:41:39.980 a 29 foot guard tower was built

01:41:42.120 on one side of the small hut 0.97

01:41:44.060 a sign was posted, whites only 0.99

01:41:45.540 so they built fences, they built guard towers 1.00

01:41:47.340 here's where they start to militarize

01:41:49.240 here's where they start buying guns 0.97

01:41:51.080 here's where the leader of the Aryan Nation

01:41:53.460 and the Christian identity movement starts saying

01:41:55.120 look, we need to go to war

01:41:57.180 with the people who are attacking us

01:41:58.520 by the summer of 82

01:42:01.160 Butler was becoming a leading figure

01:42:02.920 in the racist movement

01:42:04.000 his 1982 aryan world congress from july 9th to 11th the annual event grew out of uh the 1979

01:42:11.380 kingdom identity conference and this was the biggest yet many brought campers and tents for

01:42:16.380 welton may camp under the canopy butler's pine covered spread 13 different kkk organizations

01:42:22.320 a number of neo-nazi groups made reservations these these events were talking like hundreds

01:42:25.860 of thousands of people at the time too which is wild um and then he sets it up with that movement

01:42:32.580 And that's who Bob Matthews starts gravitating towards as he goes to the Pacific Northwest to start his homestead.

01:42:39.660 He falls in with these groups and in the orbit of these groups and starts getting in with the National Alliance, starts getting into the George Lincoln Rockwell stuff, the American Nazi Party stuff.

01:42:51.420 he reads which way western man which we covered on the show and that starts to radicalize him a bit

01:42:56.880 more remarking how it was more academic and intellectual than stuff he had encountered

01:43:03.540 before it says during 1982 after he gets in touch with these groups the christian identity movement

01:43:10.360 but he begins conceiving the white american bastion his intent was to sell the northwest

01:43:14.600 as a natural territory of white families he didn't want a separate government but believed

01:43:18.860 by attracting enough like-minded people 0.96

01:43:20.620 sheer weight of numbers would be enough for whites 0.61

01:43:22.960 to exert their social, political, and economic 0.77

01:43:25.120 influence. But despite

01:43:27.020 the time and money Matthews invested

01:43:28.680 only a couple moved to the northwest

01:43:30.760 because of him. Matthews was frustrated

01:43:32.780 the country was falling apart, but he couldn't take it

01:43:34.980 anymore. So he tried to start

01:43:36.960 this a couple of times, it didn't take.

01:43:40.140 So he starts

01:43:40.860 going to the Arian World Congress

01:43:42.500 and he reads another book titled

01:43:44.700 The Road Back, which is published in California

01:43:46.760 by Noontide Press, which will sound familiar

01:43:48.840 some people it was an instruction manual on assembling a terrorist group including sections

01:43:54.440 on living underground secret communications and intelligence gathering essays of a clansman

01:43:59.520 was lewis beam's recent work which included a point system for arian warriorhood assigning

01:44:05.020 values to certain killings and criminal acts so that becomes very very relevant in this story

01:44:10.620 and that is read by many people within the silent brotherhood because they start saying like oh i

01:44:18.000 want to i don't have a copy of the book i didn't read the book but the way it's described that

01:44:22.180 you can only ever reach full you know status as an errant warrior by accumulating points right

01:44:31.480 you're trying to get to like one point you're given fractions of a point or whatever for each

01:44:36.260 thing you do so the only way you can with one act be granted full warrior status is assassinating 0.92

01:44:42.540 the president successfully assassinating the president um but like killing people leading

01:44:49.800 up to that is how you basically accumulating scalps um and a sizable amount of people had

01:44:56.540 that running in the back of their operating system saying well when are we going to get to do that

01:45:00.480 like i said that's the sort of thing that started to rot the organization from within

01:45:04.580 um and so as it goes you know they're they're forming they form a group that's not called

01:45:11.600 anything yet it's just him and some people they're trying to figure out how to get this started

01:45:17.220 and it describes here as a highly emotional moment for all men especially for matthews

01:45:22.280 he now had a new sons of liberty and expanded cause this is after the failure to upstart now

01:45:28.940 this is the real thing after they reassembled downstairs matthews announced that step five

01:45:33.820 of the plan was assassination of racial enemies on the radical right everyone had a hit list

01:45:39.180 and talking about killing enemy wasn't regarded as unusual most often it was viewed as simply

01:45:44.800 hot air matthews talked about doomsday assassinations if the group was attacked by

01:45:49.660 authorities every man had a target he was supposed to track and kill they ranged from henry kissinger

01:45:55.140 to david rockefeller to the heads of the three television networks all of whom were perceived

01:45:59.420 as enemies because they were either jewish or the front for jews step six matthew said

01:46:04.420 was the formation of a guerrilla army a strike force with the ability to carry out sabotage

01:46:09.540 in urban areas now here we go the question is now how do we get money he asked them do you

01:46:15.360 remember bob miles saying right wing needed money however they could get it kinsmen how far did we

01:46:20.120 go robbery immediately became an option lane brought up counterfeiting which would serve two

01:46:25.180 purposes successfully passed the counterfeit money would raise clean money for the movement

01:46:29.220 so this is another thing they did aside from robbery was counterfeiting money that they bought

01:46:33.860 they either bought or befriended people

01:46:36.000 who had access to printing presses

01:46:37.800 and it goes into pretty good detail

01:46:40.240 about how they would print money

01:46:41.800 and how honestly

01:46:43.960 another thing that got them was

01:46:45.960 they got too greedy

01:46:46.780 once you get away with it

01:46:48.980 it's the same thing that happens to all criminals

01:46:51.620 they pass a few bills and it works

01:46:54.460 wow I know I launder

01:46:56.120 money now what if I start

01:46:58.000 just passing bigger bills and

01:46:59.660 get lazy and go to the same place multiple 1.00

01:47:02.040 times and keep doing it like the reason i got caught because one fucking asshole passed bad 1.00

01:47:07.540 money and they found out then they would never have caught him if he didn't go back the next 1.00

01:47:11.220 fucking day and try to do it again the first at the same time right and then they call him out 0.94

01:47:17.780 and then he goes away he actually gets away then returns with real money he's like i'm sorry here's 1.00

01:47:23.440 i don't know how that happened here's real money so no no you asshole you got away this is the 80s 0.99

01:47:28.840 they don't know how to get you yet they don't have cameras all they have is like an old lady 1.00

01:47:33.820 say he wore a red hat you could get away with robbery by wearing a fucking eyes wide shut mask 0.99

01:47:40.520 back then you fucking ask like you need to go out of your way to get caught and if you look at the 1.00

01:47:45.880 ways they get caught in this it's so stupid like one of the main ways they got caught was they did 1.00

01:47:50.380 a robbery a successful robbery but i think bob matthews dropped his gun his gun that was used 0.99

01:47:56.300 in another crime so they had the ballistics on record and you know what i mean like just like

01:48:01.140 i dropped my gun and because he had it in his pants and he was jostled too much and then he

01:48:05.480 left mind and said ah ah my gun and they're like ah it's probably not anything you fools you 0.99

01:48:12.600 fucking assholes so it was actually like several instances like that where it's just 1.00

01:48:18.680 starting the race 1.00

01:48:22.260 war 0.85

01:48:22.580 and even then

01:48:26.400 the FBI was like who are these guys

01:48:28.000 I just heard

01:48:29.680 they don't have a name yet

01:48:32.020 well then how are we supposed to get them

01:48:33.420 they literally don't know what to do

01:48:36.420 it says here

01:48:38.480 on October 24th 1983

01:48:40.000 the Aryan Nation's big Thanksgiving dinner

01:48:42.040 Lane, Matthews and Yarbrough played chess

01:48:44.360 in the office while the others from the compound

01:48:46.040 after checkmate Matthews ordered the others

01:48:47.860 out of the print shop.

01:48:49.160 Yarberg had agreed to run the press

01:48:50.900 without telling Pastor Butler,

01:48:53.460 the leader of the church,

01:48:54.740 what was being produced.

01:48:55.720 It took about a week to produce $200,000.

01:48:59.180 Bob quit his job,

01:49:00.720 hoping the act would inspire him.

01:49:01.860 Because that's one thing the group did.

01:49:03.600 Eventually, you had to do it full time.

01:49:05.940 Even if you're a family guy,

01:49:07.200 you got to do this full time.

01:49:08.460 And your full time is crime.

01:49:11.080 So if you're not out scouting pimps to beat up,

01:49:13.980 you're counterfeiting money

01:49:15.140 and finding ways to set up shop.

01:49:17.520 It turns out it's not easy to set up a printing press that produces money or scoping out porno theaters to rob or whatever. 0.99

01:49:27.700 And eventually, you know, what also gets him is he starts playing fast and loose with the penis. 0.97

01:49:34.240 You know, he had his wife, we couldn't have a child with, finds another woman he wants to shack up with, someone who's, you know, just fawning over him because of his leadership status. 0.99

01:49:43.520 And then also that woman's mom falls in love with him, too.

01:49:46.160 uh oh you got a love square a love square is is not a shape you want to be brother it's not good

01:49:55.480 and like the mother thought he was even cooler than the daughter right and it turns out around

01:50:00.860 this time bob matthews um like all great men throughout history starts telling his original

01:50:07.240 wife that you know what i i think uh you know jesus was really into polygamy like he did that 0.99

01:50:14.560 he pulled that shit 1.00

01:50:15.360 it's like 1.00

01:50:15.700 you know what

01:50:16.580 I thought about it

01:50:18.480 and I read the Bible

01:50:19.640 I don't know if you've read the Bible

01:50:20.760 but it turns out

01:50:21.980 I get 1.00

01:50:22.960 unlimited pussy 1.00

01:50:24.700 and 1.00

01:50:25.700 and no one's allowed

01:50:27.740 to ever question me

01:50:28.960 and he started like

01:50:30.360 crafting his own

01:50:31.520 sort of

01:50:32.160 religion

01:50:33.080 which

01:50:33.820 if I can give a piece of advice

01:50:35.040 I'm not trying to say

01:50:36.080 I have any association

01:50:36.800 with these groups

01:50:37.400 but from what I've learned

01:50:38.980 don't create your own religion

01:50:41.280 guys 0.99

01:50:41.900 just like

01:50:42.820 stop

01:50:43.340 come on guys

01:50:44.400 And like one of the big things that gets them in trouble also, again, carelessness, it's the assassination of a guy named Allen Berg. Allen Berg was just a loud mouth Howard Stern type radio host. And they would call in. Right. And then he would yell at them and he would do the bit of like, cut his mic, mute him and shit and get them pissed off. So he would invite them to call in and they'd complain about the Jews. He'd make a big show of it. And like, we got to kill this guy because they don't know how to be trolled, I guess.

01:51:13.180 So they do. They fucking assassinated him with a Mac-10. 1.00

01:51:18.380 Berg was well known for using his talk show to taunt bigots and racists. 1.00

01:51:23.340 But this night, they gunned him down 13 shots from a .45 caliber machine pistol.

01:51:30.620 Killing Allen Berg was the crime that really set the FBI on the true trail.

01:51:37.800 that this wasn't just armored car robberies or bank robberies

01:51:41.480 or some counterfeiting that was going on.

01:51:43.500 This was a targeted assassination.

01:51:47.200 It was meant to send a message.

01:51:49.460 13 bullets for the guy lying there in the driveway,

01:51:53.100 one of the biggest celebrities in town.

01:51:55.600 Wouldn't you know it, they didn't destroy the evidence.

01:51:59.020 He said, hey, destroy that custom-made Mac-10

01:52:02.460 that this one guy carried with him everywhere.

01:52:05.440 Hey, make sure you destroy that.

01:52:07.140 and then he just never did so when the cops

01:52:09.080 created it house they said wow what's this

01:52:11.160 extremely unique gun

01:52:13.260 so it's also if he didn't

01:52:17.380 just like decide to kill

01:52:19.340 Alan Burr because he owned you on the radio 0.89

01:52:21.580 maybe you would have gotten away with it

01:52:23.460 too right yeah what was gained by that

01:52:25.420 yeah it was just well that's how you get points

01:52:27.680 don't you know 0.99

01:52:29.120 that's how you get fucking points to 1.00

01:52:31.340 become the top 1.00

01:52:33.260 white guy while also making 1.00

01:52:35.580 bumbling mistakes all along the way so let me just say this is a really non-white group to me

01:52:40.620 this does not actually seem like a group of white guys i mean you're just i know that they are

01:52:44.880 supposed to be the arian nation but like every decision that they've made at least since the 0.88

01:52:49.360 original guy jetted just seems kind of retarded it's like the show breaking bad if it wasn't 0.97

01:52:57.040 written by a competent team of writers and acted by brian cranston it's a group of guys who aren't 0.91

01:53:03.660 criminals who say man we got to get into crime i've seen films i've seen cowboy shows i know how

01:53:11.700 to say stick them up right at one point when they rob you're gonna love this one point when they do

01:53:17.820 like their second robbery and this is the one where he drops the gun in the truck that causes

01:53:22.300 headaches later um they bring a fake rocket launcher it doesn't it's basically just a painted 0.77

01:53:29.600 tube why they painted fucking cardboard tubes like we want to look like a rocket launcher to 0.99

01:53:33.720 scare them just hoping that they don't know what a rocket launcher looks like stupid i know it's 0.99

01:53:38.720 but it's guys with you know what they got stick to it of this because but it's like breaking bad 0.98

01:53:45.060 where it's like oh these aren't criminals they're doing what they think criminals will do you rob

01:53:48.840 and you say this and you do this but then they get too cocky of course because they haven't known 0.97

01:53:53.640 enough people have gone to jail for dumb crimes so they're the ones who go to jail for the dumb 1.00

01:53:57.820 fucking crimes but then of course it spins out of control because they get cocky they get greedy 0.99

01:54:03.820 they do they they to me and i don't want to sound like i'm just making fun of these guys but like 0.99

01:54:09.640 they made every mistake in the book and really if they had just start if they if they just kept at

01:54:16.300 it if they just said you know what we robbed one truck we got a bit of startup capital let's start

01:54:22.460 a business or something you know i mean let's we got the land we got the people we got the manpower

01:54:27.360 and these people have skills like these are guys who know how to farm they know how to fix things

01:54:30.960 like you know they could have just started any literally any other revenue stream but then they

01:54:36.520 just said you know what i like the feeling of stealing a hundred thousand dollars you i bet 0.99

01:54:41.040 feels good stealing five million dollars and then immediately spending it on e-meters and fucking 0.95

01:54:47.520 fudge and and just because you know these are guys look you guys know how interior design works 0.95

01:54:56.100 and renovations work like you know if they're if you're homesteading if you drop a homesteader

01:55:00.640 five million dollars they're not going to build five hundred dollars worth of houses they're

01:55:04.240 going to spend five hundred thousand dollars on like new tiles and walls and shit they're 0.68

01:55:09.240 going to buy like just going to fill with like couch like porch sofas and shit but i know we're 0.77

01:55:16.280 getting up to the end here so there's a lot i have to skip this is the story though where

01:55:19.920 when the feds find him eventually because they've pieced enough of the evidence together and they

01:55:26.080 had a snitch they had a rat from the inside and this is where the married men thing the family

01:55:32.540 man thing gets you in trouble because that that strength of family the strength of we're actually

01:55:39.060 populating our community that also has guys really spooked when you start assassinating 0.70

01:55:44.380 public figures and planning to like nuke new york city because a lot of these guys as racist as

01:55:50.300 they might be as true believers as they might be for a lot of these guys and i know a lot of

01:55:56.240 listeners say this like yeah you're white your family comes first so at a certain point he'd 0.95

01:56:01.360 say are you gonna fucking kill yourself for the cause a lot of the guys end up saying no and they 0.92

01:56:05.600 get scared i don't know why it isn't an obvious thing to say but not even just in this kind of 0.99

01:56:10.220 organization but in any organization when you say oh it's easier to get people involved if we tell

01:56:15.840 them one thing and then we just do the bait and switch once they're involved and then we can get

01:56:19.460 them to do the other thing we actually want that never actually works for a long-term cooperation

01:56:24.700 unless you have a gun to somebody's head it never so like if your plan is to nuke new york city and

01:56:30.200 you want people in the long run to actually help you and not rat you out you need to tell them that

01:56:34.900 up front because if you tell guys we're just gonna have a safe place for your family to work

01:56:39.580 you're gonna get tons of people and they're all gonna rat on you when you decide oh guess what

01:56:45.120 i mean the rug pull actually we're gonna shoot the radio guy like no we're none we're not here 0.97

01:56:51.500 for that what what were you thinking or even the time when they assassinated one of their own

01:56:56.360 because again gang stuff cartel stuff someone's got loose lips someone's yeah this is just this 0.99

01:57:04.960 is just gay shit this is yeah let me tell you i don't hear the story about what they did they 0.99

01:57:08.940 did that they tom bentley said here's a quote from one of the guys tom bentley says they're 1.00

01:57:12.880 still having a problem with west the guy named west at area nations kemp said they caught martinez's

01:57:18.240 attention when bentley lived outside corning new york martinez had met him he says something has

01:57:23.140 to be done about him what exactly is to be done matthews asked he's running his mouth about gary's

01:57:27.580 army kemp reported uh west evidently thought yarborough was a ringleader and he offered

01:57:32.600 his first wife's new husband some counterfeit money so there's an individual

01:57:36.860 big mouth spreading counterfeit money that they counterfeited that he should shouldn't

01:57:43.160 Bob Matthews became alarmed at the story.

01:57:45.640 That leaves us no room, he concluded.

01:57:47.480 We have to do it.

01:57:48.500 This individual, West, lived near a toll rent-free in a house on Homestead Road

01:57:53.180 owned by Aryan Nation Security Chief Bud Cutler.

01:57:56.140 He was divorced once, had a nine-year-old son in Spokane.

01:57:59.860 West was supposed to meet a friend named Don from Colville, Washington that afternoon.

01:58:03.760 When Don came to his house, West was already gone.

01:58:06.260 After West got out of the car, Kemp grabbed the sledgehammer from under his seat,

01:58:09.700 walking up behind west as dude was talking to him kemp swung the hammer in a mighty arc and brought

01:58:15.660 it crashing down on the side of west's head then quickly hit him again so they smashed his head 0.97

01:58:20.460 with a fucking sledgehammer west crumpled to the ground dropping his rifle and slouched against 0.99

01:58:26.020 the tree blood oozed from the wound um spinning with the rifle at his hip he squeezed the trigger 0.99

01:58:32.360 without taking time to aim the slug smacked into west's forehead and blew the back of his broken

01:58:37.300 skull out so it didn't take them long into doing hits for you know people who are ratting or just

01:58:45.840 talking too much so like how far have you gotten in a short amount of time from i want to start 0.55

01:58:51.040 a place where white people can raise a family and hate the government and maybe train right

01:58:55.900 and then just it's so fast goes into cult stuff it's so fast goes into the ultraviolence that 0.84

01:59:03.060 that turns people into rats because you just don't have the right filter for

01:59:08.020 the right sort of people.

01:59:08.880 And the end of Bob Matthews,

01:59:10.280 we can just end it here.

01:59:11.760 This is the story.

01:59:12.720 A lot of people heard about where he had a final stand against the feds.

01:59:17.560 They were all gathered outside of his house,

01:59:20.420 dozens and dozens of sniper rifles, 1.00

01:59:22.520 fucking helicopters interrogate, 1.00

01:59:25.240 you know, 1.00

01:59:25.440 the,

01:59:25.600 the crisis people trying to get ahold of them.

01:59:28.520 He's in there alone.

01:59:30.360 It was actually kind of, 0.84

01:59:31.940 i want to read this part this is it's cool i don't recommend it but it's fucking cool

01:59:37.300 um so they started like they threw so many smoke grenades and they're shooting at him trying to

01:59:43.720 smoke him out then they think they killed him right because they don't hear anything they wait

01:59:49.280 like hours and hours nothing's happening all sound in there so they start going in you know

01:59:54.400 cautiously through the front door matthews is already on like the second floor with an actual 0.99

01:59:58.840 fucking machine gun mounted and just starts like firing through the house he let him into a home 0.96

02:00:03.520 alone style trap in the house and you know no one actually was killed but it was just a really 0.99

02:00:09.620 interesting scene of him getting the drop on them it was at that point they said well let's start

02:00:14.900 uh throwing in the um start putting in the m79 starburst flares into the playroom in addition

02:00:22.620 to illuminating the inside the house the fbi knew that the flares would probably set the house on

02:00:26.880 fire they kept their eyes glued to the exits from the house of any sign that matthews is coming out

02:00:31.380 the heat exploded ammunition like popcorn inside the house preventing the firefighters from coming

02:00:36.360 near an fbi spokesperson later announced reporters the tragic end of the siege adding that the fire

02:00:41.240 get this line you're gonna love this the fire was not started intentionally although indeed

02:00:47.240 as a result of the calculated risk it had been started knowingly

02:00:50.360 the fire was not started intentionally but it was started knowingly what a perfect like fbi type 0.57

02:00:58.100 thing obviously they wanted to just burn him to death they hated him they wanted him that they

02:01:01.960 didn't they wanted to move it along right so and that was the end of the bob matthews and that was

02:01:06.900 the end so it says here matthews's death was like breaking a trance to signal the end of the silent

02:01:11.340 brotherhood as a viable group the group of course went from nameless to then be called the order

02:01:16.740 than the silent brotherhood later um as a viable group although some tie some tried to keep it

02:01:22.120 going most simply ran for cover quickly became apparent that the silent brotherhood was neither

02:01:26.580 as zog mobilized even greater forces after matthew's death than before the list of those

02:01:32.040 who turned over for the government include major players and minor ones by the time the trial began

02:01:37.860 in september of 85 12 had pleaded guilty federal agents mounted a full-scale assault on the csa

02:01:44.740 survivalist camp the ozarks that we mentioned before um all they just cracked on the militias

02:01:50.100 cracked down the survivalist groups ever since then you've had the atf and everybody just hounding

02:01:55.700 any of these groups because they just it's open season on them ever since then um that gang was

02:02:01.620 blamed for hurting the movement with this crime rampage others praised it while backing away for

02:02:06.820 condoning while backing away from condoning the violence so you know i gave a very you know tight

02:02:13.380 tight summary of this it's a great book there's a lot of intrigue in there but once again my

02:02:18.420 summary is that it seems inevitable that this would happen to every group the the silent

02:02:23.060 brotherhood and the order was remarkable for how fast they did it and how successfully

02:02:28.580 they pulled it off like they they pulled off quite a few robberies and they were building up to like

02:02:33.540 rob a massive you know bring storage facility and they like they stole millions and millions of

02:02:39.380 of dollars not only in money but checks and counterfeited even more like this was a pretty

02:02:45.180 full-scale operation once again started by people that in my opinion had very little aptitude for

02:02:51.660 criminality and it's a sign of the times a sign of those times that they got away with it as long

02:02:58.760 as it did because there were so many fuck-ups and so many instances where you'd think they would 0.97

02:03:04.500 have been caught you know from beating mother beating their friends to death with sledgehammers 0.97

02:03:10.220 in the woods and then just hiding their body not even very far like they took his body and

02:03:15.040 they did what of course every seasoned criminal does they just put him like a few feet from the

02:03:20.580 side of the road and said ah the rain will carry him away right just just like what are you 0.99

02:03:26.760 motherfuckers doing and how is this is this saving the white race well of course they wanted to 0.99

02:03:31.760 they were trying to trigger the day of the rope they were trying to trigger the race war 1.00

02:03:36.520 and once you once you start with that as your goal it's very very easy to accelerate towards that

02:03:44.460 towards causing discord and if that's the case then causing discord anywhere is enough in fact 0.85

02:03:50.260 maybe assassinating white people becomes enough why not because at that point maybe you don't 0.99

02:03:56.580 even give a shit about like saving white people you just want to cause as much destruction to 1.00

02:04:02.520 zog as humanly possible and who cares if white people get caught up into it and then and by that 1.00

02:04:08.020 point you're already creating your own religion by that point you're just a guy in the woods who 0.99

02:04:12.780 somehow has several concubines you're fucking matt heimbach in the trailer saying yeah i should just 1.00

02:04:18.680 fuck everyone's wife why not i'm in charge i'm seven i'm i'm seven hundred pounds why should i 1.00

02:04:23.920 i have a very king like physique why should i fuck every whoever the fuck i want like you have 1.00

02:04:31.620 these these unfortunately megalomaniacal types as well-meaning as they might start because you 0.99

02:04:37.540 don't get the sense that bob matthews was particularly evil however they do remark 0.99

02:04:41.580 that he was manipulative because he could get people to get anyone to go along with the shit 0.86

02:04:45.400 anyway silent brotherhood really really good book if you watch the movie the order i hear that it 0.95

02:04:53.360 gets the broad strokes correct and treats it pretty seriously this book treats it pretty

02:04:58.300 seriously um but i the parts i loved was the overview of the christian identity movement and

02:05:03.620 how that fed into the militia movement and how they kind of broke away from that and once again

02:05:08.820 this christian identity movement sort of broke apart in the air nations because there was

02:05:11.900 again sex stuff cult stuff new religion it always comes back to people getting cute with religion

02:05:19.560 just you don't need that i don't i don't think that's ever i've never seen it succeed 1.00

02:05:24.260 i don't know i just go the fuck go the simpson round your mormons are they did they did it that's 0.96

02:05:31.280 what that is in the seventh days too but you know what you're right but that's rare it's so rare i 0.99

02:05:36.160 mean look and we all mock scientology i mean who wouldn't want to be a billionaire like the

02:05:40.140 fucking scientologist but again you got what like a handful of examples it's not it's like saying 0.97

02:05:46.200 you know, I'm going to be an astronaut. 0.99

02:05:48.180 Like, no, you're not.

02:05:49.500 Honestly, you have a better chance

02:05:51.460 making Scientology more racist.

02:05:54.580 Like, making Scientology 0.87

02:05:56.240 a white nationalist organization 0.70

02:05:58.120 It's already extremely white.

02:06:00.440 You noticed?

02:06:01.300 Well, that was our old bit. 1.00

02:06:02.020 There is probably the whitest religion 1.00

02:06:03.680 on Earth right now. 1.00

02:06:04.980 Give that a shot.

02:06:05.820 If you're already playing around 0.96

02:06:06.920 with e-meters,

02:06:07.940 if you're already saying, 0.96

02:06:09.440 hey, we should have a boat orgy, 0.88

02:06:11.500 there's already a group doing that. 0.96

02:06:13.940 Yeah.

02:06:14.360 They've been doing that.

02:06:16.200 all right all right let you go this has been great thank you so much everyone for this thank

02:06:21.640 you for taking the time tonight we went a bit over but i'll talk to you next time yep take care man

02:06:26.220 all right here we go i'm really excited for this one

02:06:44.760 we've been planning this one it feels like months it might be years but i am here for those who

02:06:53.000 don't know what the they're watching i am here with cody the director of defense distributed

02:07:00.120 um which is sort of like and correct me if i'm wrong my understanding sort of an umbrella

02:07:05.160 organization um in fact i'm just going to pull up the um sorry he just left here okay wait here we

02:07:12.920 go he is back here we go um i'm just teeing up the uh website here showing people defense

02:07:21.400 distributed is the main site also affiliated with defcad ghost gunner and leg legio legio

02:07:29.160 um so this is to my mind the definitive resource hub for everything to do with 3d printed guns or

02:07:39.640 guns that are manufactured independently in a variety of different ways which we'll get into so

02:07:45.160 first of all cody thank you so much for taking the time to join us today it's my pleasure can

02:07:50.680 you hear me yeah i can hear you fine that is some nice ambiance in the background that's something

02:07:55.720 i'd like to get i'm trying to get this podcast out in the bush myself is it too loud no no it's good

02:08:02.440 i'm i'm unironically saying that that's a good a cool vibe that's brought to this i like it

02:08:08.360 Nice white people neighborhood. 0.78

02:08:12.300 There's something weird about my neighborhood, because I live in a nice, quiet neighborhood, 1.00

02:08:15.340 but I don't get the crickets, and I only noticed that recently, and it's bothering the hell

02:08:21.220 out of me right now.

02:08:22.760 You know, it's like, yeah, without something, there's no silence.

02:08:28.840 The silence itself is too loud.

02:08:31.140 I think I understand. 0.99

02:08:32.580 Yeah, it's like I'm just living in the fucking back rooms. 0.99

02:08:35.480 And there was this kid in my neighborhood. 0.98

02:08:36.700 i don't know there was like a a kid that would wander around at night just by himself and me

02:08:43.120 and my wife called him night child and we just saw him the other day because we didn't see him

02:08:47.540 for months i'm like man what happened in night child he just receded back into the shadows and 0.97

02:08:52.460 there he is again it this place fucking sucks i'll tell you that right now anyway what we're 0.98

02:08:57.980 here to talk about we're talking about self-defense mastery in an independent context so um i thought 0.99

02:09:06.020 to tee this up this is a big story and me and defense distributed cody and others have been

02:09:12.620 going back and forth for a while i'm pretty knowledgeable i'm hip to the whole story here

02:09:18.060 but i was wondering we can kind of just explain to people as briefly as you want what defense

02:09:24.740 distributed is how we got from where it started to here and most importantly i think the the

02:09:31.440 labyrinth of legal battles that you've had to deal with to really be the figurehead of this

02:09:37.880 movement and that's how i describe it sure yeah so dd is like a lot of the groups forming right

02:09:46.620 now on the internet just nothing a couple of friends get together and they say hey let's 3d

02:09:51.440 print a gun now we're inspired you know it's 10 years ago so we're inspired by julian assange

02:09:56.940 WikiLeaks. We don't really have any other analogs. And our politics are, you know, there's no such

02:10:03.220 thing as even the alt-right yet. So it's really just cynical about the future of the Second

02:10:08.200 Amendment as interpreted or defended by the Supreme Court. And its mission brief is simply

02:10:15.180 that, well, there's not going to be anything like a defense contractor for the public

02:10:19.020 in terms of open source unless we just do it and say it that way. So we organize just as a way to

02:10:26.400 begin to disclose technical data for firearms into the public domain because we recognize the

02:10:32.720 kind of loophole in the arms export laws and really that that is the tripwire for the next

02:10:37.920 10 years of litigation it's all about arms export law and then there's some supplementary state

02:10:43.220 laws that begin to get made and we see them getting made all the time now especially after

02:10:46.860 the shooting in new york city so that's that's the opening yeah and we'll get to that shooting

02:10:52.420 uh in a little bit too because that's going to be very very important just so people know what

02:10:56.480 they're looking at for just listening to the audio right now uh we're looking at defcat right

02:11:00.760 now you see some examples of the types of guns we're talking about some people they hear three

02:11:05.820 i saw a film not a terribly good one last night it was okay called carry-on of jason bateman

02:11:12.100 and a 3d printed gun factored pretty heavily into that film but it looked really cartoonish

02:11:19.180 it looked like a toy gun and i think that's how what people imagine when they think of a 3d printed

02:11:24.080 gun but if you don't know what like look at the stuff we're talking about right here on defcad

02:11:30.100 this is some pretty serious hardware i'm looking at a gatling gun right now uh with 412 downloads

02:11:36.340 it's interesting stuff and so i guess to start it's that would you say that the technology has

02:11:43.720 significantly evolved over the how many years have you been working on this project

02:11:49.180 Well, in one form or another, sure. It's been maybe 12 years. And of course, the technologies involved have all progressed. But those technologies are larger and larger, more basket, ensemble.

02:12:05.460 So we begin with 3D printing.

02:12:07.440 And some people in our culture define this activity as only 3D printing, as only what you can do on a 3D printer.

02:12:13.240 But, of course, very quickly, we begin to find commercial exploitation of this family of technologies in techniques like CNC printing.

02:12:22.560 I'm sorry, CNC milling.

02:12:24.580 So there's just lots of ways to do DIY gunsmithing or home gunsmithing and maybe two main families of technologies.

02:12:33.000 But then there's even more.

02:12:33.820 I mean, people have discovered basically ECM rifling of barrels, people are working on DIY ammunition, and now, of course, there's the drone conversation, launchers, 37mm, and other types of launchers.

02:12:47.860 So, this is a growing family of activity.

02:12:51.200 yeah and that's one thing that as i was getting deeper into your offerings and the projects that

02:12:57.640 you're working on on the screen right now i've pulled up the coast gunner 3s which is i would

02:13:04.000 describe to people as a hobbyist milling machine but if you know anything about cnc machines

02:13:09.260 my co-host does judas he's really into the stuff he's he works in manufacturing and he was really

02:13:15.860 impressed by outside of the applications for weaponry you could use this hypothetically to

02:13:22.460 make to mill all kinds of shit and what you would just say is like yeah sure the applications for

02:13:29.060 defense are important but these really are in to my mind wondrous pieces of technology because you 0.97

02:13:35.040 have the 3d printing and people just hear that and they think oh plastic but you combine that

02:13:39.620 with you have these two machines that can do two separate things and now it's the you know

02:13:44.260 synthetic material but then just straight up metal as well and then i don't know that to me

02:13:49.720 is far more the applications are endless there uh i agree but there's also this kind of a combination

02:13:56.740 of everything refeeds back into itself and so the dominant practice and let's say 3d printed guns

02:14:02.900 right now is a hybrid practice where okay like the shooter in new york city he's credited with

02:14:08.600 having a 3d printed gun but what does that really mean it means he printed the frame right he didn't

02:14:13.420 print the entire gun. He didn't print the barrel. He didn't print the slide. He might have printed

02:14:16.700 his silencer, his suppressor, which is really interesting. But this is a hybrid activity. So

02:14:21.040 in the intervening years, especially since like 2018, 2019, since like 3D printed guns kicked off,

02:14:27.660 people have discovered that the most success, both commercially, practically,

02:14:31.800 artistically, is in, you know, taking what you can from, you know, historical like kit guns or

02:14:40.220 surplus kits, printing the parts that might or might not be regulated, might or not be

02:14:45.940 commercial. So there's just this kind of Frankenstein approach, and it's working.

02:14:51.500 Well, I'd love to hear you speak to that a bit more, because again, me as the dummy doesn't know

02:14:57.640 too much about this stuff. What do you see the most of? And we can go back to the DEFCAD site

02:15:03.560 here do you see more people completely printing entire guns or is it more just parts and how big

02:15:11.500 is how popular is the frankenstein approach well you know when you measure popularity you know we

02:15:17.700 probably have the best insight on what's popular because we run defcat that site you have there

02:15:21.260 and defcat is a way of is a way of understanding what people are downloading what is popular when

02:15:27.040 it's popular so you see certain phases where let's say you know 2019 2020 glock frames were the hot

02:15:34.240 new thing to print and and that represented something of a breakthrough because gen 3 glock

02:15:38.720 parts exist everywhere and there's kind of this this enormous aftermarket in those types of

02:15:44.700 components and where now you may see there's more differentiation of commercial quasi-commercial

02:15:52.120 design groups and and designers who are platformed and producing commercial kits you you get a sense

02:15:59.840 of like these aren't really that the numbers don't rise up to what you would you would see here with

02:16:04.360 printing glocks or printing glock frames so there's there's different types of activity and i can anchor

02:16:11.120 this or index this to other people in our space or near our space like polymer 80 became very popular

02:16:17.460 in the United States. So popular that the federal government decided to regulate. Joe Biden's ATF

02:16:21.980 decided to create a rule to make illegal the types of kits that Palm Ready was selling. These are

02:16:27.840 Glock kits. And so, you know, some of the evolution here tracks with people's appetites.

02:16:34.900 So people needed, wanted Glocks with no serial numbers. Okay, there were kit versions of that

02:16:41.280 that they could buy in the mail. They didn't need to print the frame. But then that became illegal.

02:16:44.620 and so actually that became much more popular print them and we begin to see this in the data

02:16:48.960 of who's downloading what i mean i could i could spend a million years here but there's lots of

02:16:53.800 different areas little hotspots of activity network people want to print ar receivers because ar is

02:16:59.200 very popular in the united states people want to print glock frames and there's this whole other

02:17:03.180 realm of activity and a line of activity you could say that has a view to the international

02:17:07.840 conversation, which is the FGC9.

02:17:12.420 I'd love to hear a bit more about the sort of trends you've noticed in this space,

02:17:18.780 just because you could go on for a while about that.

02:17:20.960 But I also wanted to know, how fast does the law respond to this?

02:17:26.360 You just mentioned the Biden administration was cracking down on this one specific kit.

02:17:31.160 Do you find that they're quick to act when they get wind of something or the wheels of

02:17:35.920 the legal system move slowly is my is my reception still good oh yeah you sound good okay you know i

02:17:44.580 saw a rule at one point maybe like a rule of thumb this was in 2017 and it said something like

02:17:50.100 okay the federal government is about five years behind whatever whatever neat trick you think you

02:17:54.740 have whatever new product you think you're gonna and in general i found that's true you've got to

02:18:01.820 something fun and cool that certainly was the case with us with liver the first 3d printed gun

02:18:07.100 and then with the new class of of products like with polymer 80 which really started getting

02:18:11.740 traction in 2018 2019 those things were illegal by 23 and so that's kind of held in my experience

02:18:20.620 at the same time there's certain things they want to make illegal and they know they can't

02:18:26.700 what would some of the things that they want to make illegal but they can't

02:18:29.500 what would those be would those be individual parts no in the united states i mean look

02:18:35.740 what's that out it's in canada right you're in canada that's right am i allowed to say that

02:18:40.860 have i yeah yeah people know well because uh also for people who don't know a lot of our american

02:18:45.740 friends don't know that guns are very popular in canada there's a lot of gun owners up here

02:18:50.860 um a lot of semi-auto rifle vans and i do believe there's a pretty sizable community

02:18:56.220 of people who are very vocal about the rights and interested in stuff like this and there are you

02:19:01.260 know markets for this sort of thing i guess i guess i asked that simply to say you know i'm

02:19:08.540 i'm giving my answers with this kind of default point of view of you know what is the american

02:19:13.500 appetite what's the american market and then therefore what's the american government trying

02:19:16.780 to do u.s government but there are different answers here and now a bunch of governments

02:19:21.740 are all in the kind of next phase of their response to 3d guns because of a shooting in new

02:19:25.260 new york among other among other reasons so i'm happy to answer you know in a kind of different

02:19:30.760 case or or you know a different audience you just tell me what's interesting it's that in canada

02:19:40.020 we don't have any stories as far as i'm concerned like the recent uh shooting of the uh health

02:19:47.880 insurance ceo so i think a lot of the legislators and politicians up here are just responding to

02:19:54.920 how scary the phrase ghost gun is like that's a scary thing you should make illegal uh and also

02:20:00.680 just taking excuse from america so it's something that i think they see as easy to crack down on

02:20:07.000 because there aren't as many vocal people and as much as you know firearms are popular up here 0.98

02:20:12.740 they're not as legally protected here as in america you know it's by the fucking grace of

02:20:18.340 god that they're not snatched up the the what we have going for us up here is that the federal 0.68

02:20:23.440 government it's actually kind of disorganized it's very bureaucratic but it's very spread thin

02:20:27.800 um and internally weak so it can't really marshal its forces to do heavy crackdowns on 0.79

02:20:34.120 fucking anything um it can try it can it can offer gun buybacks but then no one offers and 0.94

02:20:40.060 then they're just stuck right that's kind of where we're at right now you say that but i just read 0.99

02:20:44.240 what two nights ago or last week a whole bunch of new guns are scheduled on some kind of ban list

02:20:49.220 that you guys have it depends where you are like in ontario ontario would be what would the analogous

02:20:55.220 be a big new york state so like it's very difficult to get a gun in toronto not as hard as

02:21:00.820 the uk not as hard as london but um like every i remember a few years ago like they banned ar-15

02:21:06.780 literally just as a gesture just because they're scared of that in the u.s so let's ban it up here

02:21:13.040 they could do that they did that in ontario but then there's sort of analogous right semi-auto

02:21:18.820 rifles that people could get so you know they we can't really do anything when the government

02:21:24.400 decides to crack down is the issue we don't have any legal recourse like the second amendment 0.98

02:21:29.700 however they might just be so confusing but like the fucking liberal party right now is falling 0.96

02:21:35.480 apart a prime minister might get fired so there's there's enough chaos and stuff like this kind of 0.95

02:21:40.840 slips through i saw that but at the same time the liberal party just added 300 something guns by

02:21:45.940 name to some kind of ban list that you guys have and then there's this c21 or whatever that is

02:21:50.400 where you can't you you cannot sell even the guns that you can possess you can't transfer so it 0.65

02:21:56.540 sounds like a fucking nightmare and then when you told me oh there's not that many stories up here 0.90

02:22:00.860 i can see how in canadian experience there don't seem to be that many stories but every time 0.99

02:22:05.420 something happens in canada someone tells me about it especially your media so i am acutely

02:22:11.960 aware of ghost gunner machines ending up in canadian you know possession and whenever there's

02:22:16.960 like drug busts and stuff whenever they're 3d printed guns captured so there is especially now

02:22:22.600 with with the government disarray and more of these guns banned it seems to me there's never

02:22:27.340 been more of an appetite for canadian 3d printed or otherwise digitally made guns yeah and i think

02:22:32.860 the market for guns is different up here and my co-host judas he's a big fan of going to

02:22:39.580 auctions and buying you know kind of guns that need repairs and doing the repairs himself and

02:22:46.100 there's more of a culture of that up here but if you want it it's a bit harder to get guns it's a

02:22:51.120 bit harder to trade guns and everything's everything's just fucking spread out up here

02:22:55.280 is the problem it takes forever to drive anywhere so that's why i thought that this this maker 0.52

02:23:02.180 revolution whatever you want to call it the idea that people can start doing the stuff themselves

02:23:06.640 that is uniquely attractive i think to a canadian um who in every other aspect of their lives

02:23:14.420 usually have to do things for themselves because just the market for everything isn't as flush with

02:23:20.620 product as it is in the u.s sure yeah and i'm well it's also a feature of our export laws

02:23:27.340 at least at the moment that it's much easier to get this stuff into canada it's you're allowed

02:23:33.600 to export this stuff to canada even in like the most well in context that you would imagine to

02:23:38.480 be otherwise really restricted canada's considered kind of an exception and that's interesting and

02:23:44.320 and now we're getting into what i really wanted to get into which was the legal i would count you

02:23:50.240 as the expert of the legality around this entire thing you've been at war legally in many different

02:23:57.120 aspects and these are documented on um the sites that every time you've won in court or or been

02:24:04.880 taken to court i was wondering if you'd like to give just a short story arc of all the

02:24:10.720 you've had to deal with up to and including the recent one involving you i believe taking um go

02:24:17.200 fund me to court yeah we're suing um kickstarter if you know that kickstarter.com yep suing

02:24:26.480 kickstarter so yeah i mean when we i guess that's what it is to be first you're gonna catch the

02:24:34.320 arrows they say like the pioneer gets the arrows so okay we put the first few gun files on the

02:24:41.360 internet and obama's national security staff basically direct him two or three different

02:24:47.520 ways to get it off the internet he's also pressured by the way by other governments

02:24:51.540 Obama, I mean, Australia and Canada are high on this list, it turns out.

02:24:55.880 You can see this in the record.

02:24:57.560 And so there's this strong pressure to say, well, there has to be some national security reason to get this off the Internet.

02:25:01.980 We can't just let anyone download it.

02:25:03.660 But there's this problem where you at least have to pay lip service to the American Second Amendment, which had become kind of accidentally a universal entitlement in the United States law.

02:25:15.880 So they have to do this little dance where they go, well, of course, Americans can have it.

02:25:19.440 But you see, there's certain problems if we there's political military problems that we just put it on the Internet unrestricted.

02:25:24.860 And so that's the first leg of the real the real litigation that that we have to be a part of.

02:25:31.900 So we give Liberator away. Right. It's open source because the philosophy, the technique is all about being open source.

02:25:39.160 That's one way to beat the law. But then the law tries to beat you back.

02:25:43.520 So you go to court, which is a very expensive thing, federal court, because you gave something away.

02:25:50.260 So then you have to you have to commercialize. You have to find a way.

02:25:53.360 No one's just going to give you the money. You know, yeah, you can you can kind of bet on getting Elon Musk to give you some funds or something.

02:25:59.760 But chasing whales ends up being your full time job if you do that.

02:26:03.800 So we wanted to supplement what we did with commercial activity to fund suing of the United States government.

02:26:11.060 So that's what we ended up doing. In 2015, we brought our first lawsuit against the U.S. State Department, which had told us to take down DEFCAT, that site that you had up earlier.

02:26:19.000 There's been different versions of this website.

02:26:21.800 And DEFCAT we mostly hosted because all these other websites began to take 3D printed gun content off.

02:26:28.680 There were early repos like Thingiverse, which is still around.

02:26:32.540 And all these people began to discover a progressive policy to not allow gun files.

02:26:39.140 So the other technique here is there's the soft power side and the hard power side where, sure, anyone in America is allowed to do this.

02:26:47.160 But you'll quickly find out that no platform will take it.

02:26:49.740 No bank will fund it.

02:26:51.420 No one will allow transactions around it.

02:26:53.220 And then if you still insist on doing it, the government finds a reason to demand that you take it down anyway.

02:26:58.440 Those are my first sets of lessons from 2013 to 2015.

02:27:01.860 They'll try and bring the law against you and failing that, they will create a law at some point.

02:27:08.580 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then again, there's the there's the formal and the informal. I'm sorry, it's a little noisy out here in this neighborhood.

02:27:15.180 No, that sounds great. So, you know, the informal is, well, of course, right. Anyone can do this and that's fine. But right. There's this like latent implicit threat, the but, you know, so we we encounter that threat over and over again.

02:27:30.980 And then finally, you realize, well, this is a kind of social red line.

02:27:33.940 And once that social red line is crossed, many things are allowed to happen to you.

02:27:37.880 Like this Marc Andreessen quote, or this clip is going around where he's on Joe Rogan.

02:27:42.460 And it's kind of a revelation to some people, even in my own social circle.

02:27:46.040 Whoa, did you hear this?

02:27:47.040 They're like banning CEOs from like having bank accounts in the United States.

02:27:51.360 And of course, if you're a Canadian trucker, you know what we're talking about.

02:27:55.000 And, you know, if you if you're a little too active during COVID, suspicious about the vaccine, you know what we're talking about.

02:28:00.440 But we started experiencing that in 2014, 2015, because we were trying to have bank accounts related to 3D printed guns.

02:28:08.960 I wonder, now that it seems that tech CEOs are talking about it on Joe Rogan, are you finding that you're experiencing more public support?

02:28:17.180 Or do you think that tech, the technocrats might take a more keen interest in what you're up to?

02:28:23.600 man this is this goes in in stages and you can also measure it against what's happening to Alex

02:28:31.000 Jones at any given time but when we okay let's do the fast forward thing on the litigation

02:28:37.080 we take the State Department to court and kind of against all odds I mean we don't win we don't out

02:28:42.220 and out win and in fact the Supreme Court refuses to take the case but then Trump right right when

02:28:48.660 it really looks like i'm losing uh obama leaves and trump wins the government over here and then

02:28:54.500 there's this incentive it main justice to settle this case because they're not a a gun control win

02:29:00.800 doesn't look good for the administration so they they direct basically us to settle okay then when

02:29:07.080 we settle we get this this odd decision which corresponds with a reform that was already

02:29:13.340 happening in export law and then doesn't want to be guilty of being the guy to to approve it so

02:29:21.880 space between governments where we get the settlement we're sitting on it for like

02:29:25.140 months and then finally in 2018 we're allowed to put the files back up on the internet officially

02:29:30.720 and when we do that when we are officially allowed to put

02:29:33.760 on the internet

02:29:37.320 in the United States

02:29:40.400 federal system

02:29:41.680 but we also

02:29:44.640 get banned on Facebook

02:29:46.180 banned on Instagram

02:29:47.600 banned on Twitter

02:29:50.640 and simultaneously

02:29:52.040 as a response to the settlement

02:29:54.100 decide, okay, we're going to

02:29:56.000 real-time filter links to this website

02:29:58.100 we're going to not allow people to share

02:29:59.960 this stuff, even in private messages and DMs

02:30:02.160 And this was shocking to me at that time, seeing much more of that, especially after COVID.

02:30:12.460 Yeah, that's wild.

02:30:14.040 So, yeah, you were one of the first people to be debanked and experience that coordinated soft power.

02:30:19.500 Like you had mentioned, things seemed to change when Trump won the first time.

02:30:23.340 Did they shift again under Biden?

02:30:25.420 Is it just does the tone change every time power changes hands?

02:30:29.980 I guess is what I'm asking.

02:30:30.980 Yeah, I'm glad you asked, because, OK, for example, we take, you know, Biden brings his rule out and we fight it the whole time.

02:30:36.820 We fight it in the APA process. We do the there's this notice and comment thing you got to do in the administrative law in the United States.

02:30:43.800 So before you get a rule, quote unquote, which is how the administrative state actually controls the country and how powers actually exercise in this country.

02:30:52.320 You know, Congress just kind of weighs its hands and says, you know, federal agency, you figure it out.

02:30:56.200 You know what we mean. And then the agencies come up with these rules.

02:30:58.700 So Biden directed his ATF to come up with a rule to really conquer and assign and require the assignment of serial numbers to unfinished components, made components, printed components, and kind of encapsulate all activity in the official, you know, gunsmithing terminology, legal, you know, like, I don't know, the legal tables of how guns and gunsmithing is done as regulated by the ATF.

02:31:25.980 That's the short story. Anyway, we fought that rule through the APA process.

02:31:29.900 And then when it finally became a rule, we had to fight with one hand behind our back.

02:31:33.840 And I mean that I mean that more than figuratively, because we had to basically offer half of our product offerings going forward because that was the tricky part of this rule.

02:31:43.040 This rule says, well, you have you know, you could basically only choose fixtures versus receivers.

02:31:47.840 You can't sell both anymore. You can sell equipment or you can sell the unfinished thing.

02:31:52.080 But if you sell both, you know, you now you're regulated and you got to go to jail if you if you do it.

02:31:56.920 So we had to, like, have our product offerings, different states pass copycat versions of Biden's rule at the same time because the states like to copy this stuff.

02:32:06.400 What I mean is like Democrat states that are aligned with the Democrat administration.

02:32:09.540 So all this happens from 22, you know, 21, 22, 23 to where we're greatly diminished in our commercial power.

02:32:18.360 And then we take this rule to court, to federal court in Texas, and we win all the way.

02:32:23.940 We get nationwide injunctions and we have a bunch of co-planters.

02:32:27.060 We go all the way to Supreme Court.

02:32:28.700 And in October of this year, I was just.

02:32:36.520 So.

02:32:38.260 Of our experience here, it's like we're not really going to win that case again.

02:32:42.300 And again, he's not supposed to win.

02:32:43.940 and you can you can feel the entire like the the air let out of the room

02:32:48.900 like okay you already want to win anymore and so

02:32:56.920 we're pace again even though we lost the whole time you know well that's fascinating i do want

02:33:05.720 to say that your voice is starting to uh crack and go robot a little bit there so i don't know

02:33:10.880 if you can maybe it's actually it's not unlistenable it's actually it's just popping in and out but

02:33:16.660 if you are heading into a worse reception area you might want to turn around um and i wondered

02:33:22.520 if we can skip ahead in that oh he what am i he's back here we go there he is um i wanted to know

02:33:33.040 if we could skip ahead to the legal issues you're having with um kickstarter and this is all as far

02:33:42.300 as i can tell and you can correct me if i'm wrong this is surrounding if we can i'm gonna go right

02:33:48.520 here i should put it on screen the uh not the coast gunner but the device known as the coast

02:33:55.680 runner or not the ghost gunner but the coast runner is a similar rebranded repackaged product

02:34:02.940 um and i believe from my personal story was i i saw the crowdfunding campaign for this

02:34:09.500 and within a day it gotten up to six figures and it was on the rocket ship to make millions there

02:34:17.300 was clearly a demand for this thing people thought it was just a cool thing to invest in

02:34:21.500 and then it was taken down is that about how it happened sure that's that's the outside looking in

02:34:28.640 But, you know, we just filed a lawsuit in, I guess, Midland, Odessa, Western District of Texas, about all the stuff behind the scenes on that one.

02:34:39.460 And so Coastrunner is a totally different company.

02:34:41.940 It's a separate machine.

02:34:43.540 It's built differently than the Ghostrunner on purpose.

02:34:47.460 It's built to be a different machine, a general purpose machine.

02:34:50.700 Because, like you mentioned in the beginning of this talk, what have you built when you've built equipment and technology that can build gun parts?

02:34:57.880 you've built equipment that can do anything else everything else because if you can build gun parts

02:35:02.740 you can build basically anything else and so we're shopping that technology in a new in a new format

02:35:08.260 with a new company to a new audience and we get buy-in from these crowdfunding sites i mean

02:35:14.620 kickstarter.com and i mean indiegogo.com and what's funny is like behind the scenes you know

02:35:20.460 this is all very well oiled and i guess i use the word choreographed it is like that for these

02:35:26.960 bigger projects and when you see something like a new 3d printer launched on kickstarter

02:35:31.720 you know it's no accident it's not like someone just decided to do that a week before you know

02:35:37.980 they've cleared it with kickstarter they've kind of got some runway uh laid out for them and some

02:35:44.320 red carpet laid down and there's agreements and anyway these all these same things happen for us

02:35:49.160 and so it was strange it was strange that they allowed us to get so far

02:35:54.340 to raise the money i mean this is months and months of planning and ads pre-launch ads for

02:36:01.120 reservations and stuff okay we finally launched we get like half a million dollars the first day

02:36:05.360 and then kickstarter decides it has a problem and so i would love to know the true story

02:36:13.720 of what those conversations were and i have enough information that those conversations happen

02:36:18.780 that it allows me to survive in court and find out.

02:36:23.900 And again, this is a way of taking the experience

02:36:27.440 of like the hard and soft power that we discussed earlier,

02:36:30.200 this kind of social program,

02:36:33.620 and getting a hook in the judicial system

02:36:36.240 and being allowed to explore,

02:36:38.160 being allowed to understand how censorship,

02:36:40.260 the censorship industrial complex actually works,

02:36:43.020 at least in the United States.

02:36:44.660 Is there anything you've learned so far

02:36:46.420 that you'd be willing to disclose based on just your involvement in this specific case like you

02:36:51.700 said uh this we have it up on screen right now so people can see this is the coast runner website

02:36:56.900 it's been in the la times tech crunch free think like you look at this and it's like oh here's just

02:37:01.940 a good machine that can machine steel aluminum brass anything you can the examples of what it

02:37:08.020 can make are uh wide and varied so it must have been a coordinated attack is there any

02:37:13.700 you talked about conversations you're privy to is there anything you can kind of give us about

02:37:18.460 what might be going on behind the scenes yeah yeah and we pled a lot of it in the complaint

02:37:23.580 so there there are companies that only work with kickstarter and indiegogo and we were working with

02:37:29.760 these companies and those companies basically they they have this i won't say parasitic but

02:37:35.180 they have this kind of they live only in the ecosystem that kickstarter provides and only

02:37:40.240 work with those groups and professionals. And so they were kind of conveying to us

02:37:44.720 all of the decision-making up until our launch, after our launch. You know, we go to CES every

02:37:51.020 year. We took Coastrunner to CES, for example. And we were, you know, we have all these private

02:37:56.740 dinners with these executives. And it's very strange to know that there was all this approval

02:38:02.580 until suddenly there wasn't. It's just, it just is unbelievable. And so we think government's

02:38:08.300 involved and do you think it's the american government or uh you had mentioned before that

02:38:14.040 there's sort of a coordinated effort with canada with australia is this sort of like an internationally

02:38:20.360 is like an international pressure bearing down on you or is it really just america

02:38:25.080 well i think they're first there's a civic religion in the united states and it's not hard

02:38:31.340 to enforce that civic religion so perhaps if decision making if push comes to shove things

02:38:38.380 can always get escalated to a corporate executive who shares and appropriately enforces the civic

02:38:45.020 religion so this could have just been that we stayed at a low enough level with low enough

02:38:50.420 level executives to where there wasn't a problem until a bigger power bigger external power steps 0.95

02:38:56.340 and says hey what the what the fuck is going on here okay so it could have been like that or go

02:39:02.200 ahead i was gonna say you had mentioned also before that uh you experienced the most pushback 0.96

02:39:06.780 with democratic governments um you seem to be doing better under trump do you see it broadly

02:39:12.840 that republicans are better or conservatives also kind of spooked and wary about this thing

02:39:18.500 if if you look if you have to choose between red team blue team red team's better on the gun issue

02:39:24.640 There's no question. But red team's hard. They're the legacy of like cold warriors in this country, in the national security state.

02:39:33.600 And really what's left of that supposed Cold War garrison state. That's all Republican doing.

02:39:40.220 And when you get into like the fifth, even the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, very friendly place for this issue.

02:39:45.960 If the issue is framed in terms of national security, you know, by the State Department or the Commerce Department,

02:39:50.780 even the like the rock-ribbed conservatives favor the government's position so you know i would

02:39:58.420 nine times out of ten take a republican but a republican doesn't get you very far and it

02:40:03.160 doesn't mean as much as you think it does it means a reagan appointee you know i mean a nixon

02:40:08.180 appointee you never know what you're getting it's interesting because the problem is that you can

02:40:14.600 craft whatever narrative you want and i can imagine one that would get the conservatives republicans

02:40:19.800 on board which is that okay uh for example there's that recent the guy who shot the health insurance

02:40:25.220 ceo well there looks to be kind of maybe a right a right wing adjacent internet guy european lineage

02:40:33.200 you know so that's you know that's one of our guys however if you wanted to get the republicans

02:40:38.020 say oh you know what this is something cartels are into cartels really like ghost guns boom done 0.89

02:40:43.000 that they're they want to get it taken out like it's it's not enough to bring up islamists anymore

02:40:49.220 that's over however their hair trigger thing's going to be anything cartel related anything

02:40:54.760 mass migration then then they will be as fervent as the democrats if not more so in general i think

02:41:03.240 that's true i think state politics play a role like a republican in new jersey is never going

02:41:07.260 to come along with you in the same way a republican in florida would or obviously texas so you know

02:41:12.900 east coast republicans are kind of embarrassed by the ghost gun issue they throw up some token

02:41:17.040 resistance when the state laws are debated and they in general they know they're outnumbered

02:41:21.980 they don't lose their credibility that's what i have seen and so there are ghost gun laws like

02:41:26.400 in rhode island delaware other places which received basically nothing in terms of opposition

02:41:32.620 um so it just depends on your constituency and and then it's easy to get up on a national platform

02:41:39.380 if the politics are right and say like well this is an american tradition you know people have been

02:41:44.380 making guns their whole for the history of the country and i agree with that but i watched a

02:41:49.320 republican i watched a republican attorney debate this in front of the supreme court

02:41:53.520 and judge roberts goes okay counsel but you know like why are people doing this why are people

02:42:01.000 why would someone want to make a gun from a kid at home and yeah even the republican even the

02:42:07.280 republican attorney was like i kind of embarrassed to answer the question it just shows a bad

02:42:12.660 conscience i mean yeah and one thing that sprang to mind there and i made a claim on an earlier

02:42:17.640 episode and i leave this to you to call bullshit on me but when i think of the typical the pro

02:42:23.980 typical person who would employ a ghost gun of any kind or be into this at all it's probably 0.98

02:42:31.100 a white guy uh it's not obvious to me that ms13 or the fucking crips or any of them are really 0.91

02:42:40.220 into starting these machine shops maybe i'm wrong but i i it's not obvious to me that there 0.96

02:42:46.740 that there's a rash of ghost gun related homicides i think they're just using

02:42:52.060 regular guns for that stuff and so it's you know a lot of the fear has to be ginned up from very

02:42:58.680 limited cases now you are the expert obviously on all the news is that accurate at all you know i

02:43:05.260 think what lends me expertise here is just having been as big a part of the commercial side of it

02:43:10.540 as i've been and having been a partner with companies like polymer 80 where i could see

02:43:14.960 where some of this stuff is going and you know you've got a you've got a problem you do have a

02:43:19.580 demographic problem with some of these things like the polymer 80 kit for example that's a different

02:43:23.760 class of customer that's a cheap kit it doesn't require 3d printer it doesn't require cnc mill

02:43:28.560 or really any kind of know-how and so you are getting uh you know gangland really uh enjoyed

02:43:35.760 the polymer 80 kit okay so you know think of baltimore think of oakland california

02:43:40.760 um it's not really an exaggeration and you would get on these subreddits and you would see like

02:43:45.440 oh hell you know people are barely speaking english just trying to like figure out how to

02:43:50.220 put these guns together that that is happening and then there are particular let's say uh

02:43:56.320 ethnopsychological approaches to 3D printed guns, like the Glock switch. The Glock switch is very

02:44:01.840 popular in Houston, Texas, for example, which turns a Glock to an automatic. So, you know,

02:44:08.560 there's, there are different American gun cultures and there is a black and urban American gun

02:44:13.540 culture, which has its own, you know, a distinct settlement with the laws and the municipal powers.

02:44:19.720 And so it is hard to say and speak broadly about just one trend.

02:44:25.560 Can I ask you a question?

02:44:26.620 This is an open-ended question, but is there any region of America that, looking at the data and analytics of what's popular,

02:44:34.100 anything that you've been surprised by, just looking at the numbers?

02:44:37.940 Well, over the years, it seemed that I had made most of the impact and most of the customer base was in California.

02:44:46.240 and that always surprised me because i thought californians were kind of over-regulated

02:44:50.840 and in fact that i don't know having 20 extra years of gun regulation

02:44:55.800 but i don't know 30 40 extra years of like a higher discretionary income had created a kind

02:45:02.860 of early adopter customer or a customer who was much more comfortable um with difficult or hard to

02:45:09.260 hard to understand like the legal gray areas for guns it there was a there's a california persona

02:45:15.480 who is comfortable experimenting with new gun-related stuff

02:45:19.900 where a lot of people who you think were in good states for guns

02:45:24.020 are still kind of scared to jump in in these frontier spaces.

02:45:29.300 Well, that's interesting.

02:45:30.020 So the areas with the most relaxed gun regulations

02:45:34.480 might be the last to adopt something like this.

02:45:36.680 I guess that logically tracks as well.

02:45:40.000 And you had mentioned going on these subreddits

02:45:42.820 and seeing people exchanging this information is there anything you've learned on an international

02:45:48.580 market for this stuff that does defcat reach outside of america significantly is there any

02:45:54.040 interest throughout europe uh asia you know what are the boundaries there sure yeah there there

02:46:00.660 have been different versions of defcat over the years like i mentioned and we had always seen like

02:46:05.740 well who's the top five who are the top 10 in terms of countries and of course it's always the

02:46:09.320 us far and away um and then europe's always playing catch up in in terms of censoring the

02:46:16.020 websites so that composition has changed over the years but in 2013 2014 germany germany is always

02:46:24.540 following closely u.s culture so it's always kind of in the top three of downloads and interests

02:46:29.140 which i find interesting i found spain to be overrepresented in early 3d printing gods

02:46:35.140 And maybe that makes sense because of, you know,

02:46:37.660 Catalonia and the kind of separatist anarchist cultures there.

02:46:41.060 Maybe.

02:46:41.540 I don't know how to tell that story.

02:46:44.060 And then, you know, these days, well, I guess it's worth pointing out

02:46:47.860 that JSARC, for example, lived in Germany.

02:46:49.740 JSARC is probably the most famous developer of second-gen 3D-printed guns.

02:46:54.080 It's worth pointing that out.

02:46:55.640 And then there's states that are especially scared of 3D-printed guns,

02:46:59.240 like the UK and Australia, you know, Commonwealth states,

02:47:01.920 former anglo-land which i find ironic because of course american gun culture is simply a child of

02:47:08.960 english culture yeah that is interesting um and i suppose that can just lead us into the most

02:47:17.920 journalistically relevant part of this which is the uh what was it luigi mangioni's recent

02:47:24.800 assassin i called him the assassination some people might disagree but assassination of the

02:47:29.600 united healthcare ceo and um the story that i'm hearing is that it's confirmed it was a 3d printed

02:47:37.600 gun um i was just wondering since we really started talking in earnest about scheduling

02:47:43.440 this as quickly to that event as possible you hear a news story like that what goes through

02:47:48.160 your head are you watching the video you're trying to see where it came from what's your response to

02:47:53.200 this every time there's a shooting in this country and there was just another school shooting right

02:47:57.600 there's like a trans shooter shot up a christian school there's been like a couple in the past

02:48:01.700 week unless i'm miscounting i think there's at least two well you know when there is one

02:48:06.580 shooting of note the media will hyper focus and amplify other shootings which normally might not

02:48:13.200 even make the the national news so that's in effect but that that trans shooting was pretty

02:48:17.640 interesting okay nevertheless when there are events like this and i've had years to have

02:48:22.080 some practice here for example i i launched a product the same day that what's his face

02:48:27.400 the paddock did that las vegas shooting which is still the the biggest mass shooting in the united

02:48:32.280 states um that way everyone kind of forgot about we we taught we bring it up every six months like

02:48:37.060 yeah whatever happened there anyway the most uncomfortable topic of conversation yeah uh but

02:48:42.860 okay when something like that happens first thing you do is you get the name you run the name because

02:48:46.840 we have two or three large brands right you want to see if there's a customer profile or a purchase

02:48:50.600 history with a name or a close match to the name okay and then you're looking for the gun

02:48:56.700 and there are things like coulter's law and stuff right the longer it takes for you to hear about

02:49:01.340 the gun or the shooter okay the more you can begin to suspect that it wasn't something you

02:49:05.720 should be worried about because the media has like these perverse incentives to very quickly

02:49:10.360 label a shooter white very quickly label a gun an ar-15 you know to satisfy its its power process

02:49:18.100 um so we we look for those things what type of gun was it um we don't often think it's a 3d

02:49:24.040 printed gun first because that's it's uncommon and so that's what happened in the mangioni thing

02:49:28.220 we ran the name as soon as we had the name but we spent that weekend not really thinking it was a

02:49:32.420 3d printed gun and most people just had a kind of autistic you know like flame wars about well you

02:49:38.940 know was was he not using a nielsen device in his silencer you know what kind of what kind of gun

02:49:43.000 was it oh it was a well rod you know everyone like satisfying their egos over like being a kind

02:49:49.300 of expert about being able to identify the gun no one no one called it as a 3d printed gun and

02:49:54.280 that was a big surprise and for us too so i had to rely on on the media for accurate photos to

02:50:01.760 actually identify the gun and then i was surprised by what the gun that we saw yeah and so i don't

02:50:08.400 know too much about uh that gun from what i know a silencer was employed um and it what do we know

02:50:16.020 if it was a hybrid as you said or what's what's your assessment of because i heard some people 0.99

02:50:20.980 laughing that he was using a silencer to begin with because everyone's a fucking armchair assassin

02:50:26.300 right everyone says how they would do it right i had said i'm like well you know if it was me 0.96

02:50:30.980 i'd probably use a silencer because i played a lot of hitman games and that just that's what you do

02:50:36.940 and it kind of looks cool but like what what's your assessment of his choice uh do you think

02:50:43.040 he was you know does he seem like first of all was it a three printed gun was it a hybrid gun

02:50:48.620 and do you think this was the type of guy who was just really into the scene or what's your

02:50:54.460 assessment there really hard to know and i've gone through some of the other communities to look for

02:50:59.040 his name and the names that we saw on his fake ids as far as anyone knows there's there's no

02:51:05.740 profile that we can really attach this guy that was out so he was lurking if he was doing anything

02:51:11.120 but the the choice of frame you say is it a hybrid gun i mean he printed he printed a stipple remix

02:51:17.500 of a of a kind of legacy printed glock frame definitely not the newest stuff out there and

02:51:24.060 that's an interesting choice it gave people a lot of pause like you know what does this mean

02:51:27.380 does it mean he printed this thing in 21 and just kind of got back around to it when he

02:51:32.480 decided to kill a guy you know does it mean he just took a snapshot of 3d printed gun culture

02:51:37.880 and downloaded some stuff in 21, 22,

02:51:40.900 and then never really kind of updated himself.

02:51:42.740 It's hard to say.

02:51:44.180 And then you get a picture of his psychological profile

02:51:46.740 where it seems that he's just kind of lost his mind

02:51:49.000 in the last like three to six months.

02:51:51.200 So it's interesting.

02:51:51.880 It's unlikely that he would have 3D printed this recently.

02:51:55.760 In one way or another,

02:51:57.060 it would have had to have been a few years ago.

02:51:59.700 Well, no, even that assessment is complicated

02:52:01.640 because like you mentioned,

02:52:03.100 he uses a printed suppressor.

02:52:05.060 And printed suppressors have only,

02:52:06.280 especially of the kind that you can id in that video those have only been around for like a year

02:52:11.480 or two so you know like that's a weird mix to me it meant he he might have come back and printed

02:52:18.840 the suppressor more recently i mean he would have had to if he printed anything at all do you think

02:52:24.760 it's likely that he could have just bought it from someone do you i guess that's a very very

02:52:30.120 vague question asked is it more likely that someone would print it themselves versus buy it

02:52:34.920 But does he seem like the type of guy who would buy?

02:52:37.240 Does he seem like a guy who would have connections to other printers versus just maybe an autistic guy who just wanted to do it himself? 0.53

02:52:44.900 You know, maybe these are unknowable questions, but I'm sure they've crossed your mind.

02:52:48.880 Sure.

02:52:49.000 I think they've crossed everyone's mind in this space.

02:52:52.700 And where we find a difference of opinion, I think, is where you find the difference about, well, was this guy actually?

02:52:59.960 Was this even his idea?

02:53:01.540 like okay if you accept that he's an engineer and has a background in computer science then it would

02:53:07.540 kind of make sense that he dabbled in 3d printed guns but should we accept that you know and and

02:53:15.040 does this does this smell of some kind of operation like you know uh is this a fall guy you know i

02:53:20.820 really genuinely don't know how to answer those questions i do want to give credit to a member

02:53:25.680 of my chat our community named prater piper he's a huge gun advocate i believe he trains

02:53:31.520 in firearms and he was one of the first ones who forwarded the idea that this something was off

02:53:36.900 about this the way he was using the gun was off the way something to do with one of the rounds

02:53:42.360 got caught or something and the speed at which he did it so i i can't speak to that but he was

02:53:46.740 one of the ones who had said you know something's off about this and i said i don't know about that

02:53:51.540 Like, maybe, but I'm open to hearing that reopened if the gun itself is kind of puzzling as well.

02:54:00.500 There's at least enough about the gun, the combination of parts, to ask, okay, but why that way?

02:54:07.440 And, all right, this is a broken guy.

02:54:09.400 Okay, fine, he just wanted to print a gun to show he printed a gun.

02:54:12.080 And if you accept his manifesto, I don't know if you read his little slip of paper.

02:54:17.140 We've published it at DefCAD.

02:54:19.400 You know, you could find it if you search Mangione.

02:54:21.000 But if you accept what's written there as his authorship, he says it was pretty simple.

02:54:28.140 It just took a little bit of CAD.

02:54:30.060 OK, so he's saying he did it.

02:54:31.920 But, you know, by CAD, he's not saying he designed it.

02:54:35.540 So what is he saying?

02:54:36.640 OK, I just I use a model viewer.

02:54:39.020 I found something that I fancied and I printed it on a bamboo printer.

02:54:42.700 I mean, that doesn't take much at all.

02:54:44.080 Why even why even claim credit for it that way?

02:54:46.860 it's almost as if it's a setup to villainize 3d printed guns among other things yeah it does

02:54:54.520 it crosses your mind that if you were going to do this you would not want heat to blow back

02:55:00.140 on the larger community because if there's the number one issue with the community would be

02:55:04.740 we don't want to be associated directly with things like this is that a popular sentiment

02:55:09.660 in the broader community like we you don't want to be seen endorsing acts like this

02:55:15.700 overtly it is rhetorically it is and yet there was in an immediate celebration on twitter

02:55:22.160 guncat on twitter you know it doesn't really it's not so circumspect and so it immediately was like

02:55:28.040 oh this is one of our guns amazing you know this is a we got it we did it fam our first

02:55:34.600 high-profile assassination and that's funny like at first and even the designer of the frame was

02:55:42.800 like oh yo this is mine lol and then you know he thinks about it after an hour and he's like oh i'm

02:55:47.380 gonna ruin my life if i actually say that so so he deletes his tweet and then when the new york

02:55:52.760 times all these people reach out to him he's begging for mercy he's like well listen you

02:55:56.120 gotta know you know i didn't design this thing well they got to lol can mean a lot of things 1.00

02:56:01.580 contextually yeah well it doesn't mean anything good and you're you're a giant idiot if you're 0.99

02:56:07.920 just retweeting the Associated Press and being like, it me. 1.00

02:56:11.620 Look, it costs you nothing just to say no comment.

02:56:15.360 It does.

02:56:16.060 It only hurts you if you're like celebrating it to everyone immediately.

02:56:19.600 Right.

02:56:20.540 Right.

02:56:20.860 And I saw both.

02:56:21.900 I saw even the guy who designed the suppressor, the guy we all believe designed the suppressor.

02:56:26.200 He didn't really get name checked hard in the media.

02:56:28.080 But at first he's like, ha ha, this is funny.

02:56:30.800 And then he deletes his account.

02:56:32.740 You know, I don't know if you follow, you know, about Radfim Hitler deleting her account. 0.94

02:56:37.920 because of the trans shooting i'm trying to figure out because i had heard that this was all just hot 0.54

02:56:43.740 air that rat familiar wasn't even mentioned in the manifesto at all i don't i haven't looked into it

02:56:48.880 but i i'm not a fan of radfem hitler so part of me was like ha ha but then another realistic part

02:56:55.420 of me is like okay well you know someone i mentioned blood satellite and manifesto one day

02:57:01.280 because they didn't like one of our bits you know anything could happen sure and you know blood

02:57:06.140 satellite's a great i think i'm even on this cast because blood satellite is just a killer title

02:57:10.820 man like why wouldn't you use it in a manifesto yeah um it's got you know for me words like

02:57:17.240 borrowed from old norse like blood you got to use them as much as you can like the culture's

02:57:21.420 forgotten the impact of simple simple nordic words yeah and people like red it's it's powerful

02:57:28.180 stuff we're gonna find our way and and then at that point you're like okay i hope this is a good

02:57:32.780 manifesto because there's some bad manifestos out there man yeah dude i wonder if that's something

02:57:37.740 that you like if you're the type of person who ends up in manifesto like you you got like three

02:57:42.740 you're mentioned in there's one you want people to forget about there was that one manifesto i'm

02:57:47.700 not trying to get you in trouble for saying the wrong thing here but people remember the manifesto

02:57:53.160 of that black guy who is a schizo and he wrote like a thousand page manifesto where he said 0.87

02:57:59.740 something he said the n-word something like 10 000 times it was just nonsense i'm like i if we 0.98

02:58:05.900 were in that manifesto i'd like it but i don't want to be in the trans manifesto you're gonna

02:58:12.200 have to help me out with that one man who what crime like what was that one he was he was a

02:58:18.000 professor at a school i forget we covered it on the show that was one of the few one of the many

02:58:22.720 clips that we got uh taken down from youtube because we we read it we had the genius idea

02:58:28.460 of just reading it that's amazing i'm like i'm not saying it he's it's like when you're

02:58:33.660 rapping along with wu-tang i'm not i'm just singing it with him no this is literature i

02:58:39.340 have to you know i'm saying what he said yeah but we it's just like nonsense it's it's it's weird

02:58:44.660 and it's gay in parts it's just it's a schizophrenic rambling thing um but he was a professor at the 0.53

02:58:49.120 school and they just had i think he brought a gun to school no one died but he which is the 0.83

02:58:55.420 worst thing you wrote a thousand page manifesto and no one got shot but uh yeah he's a modern

02:59:01.760 ralph ellison like the culture is just not allowing literature to happen because the whole

02:59:09.500 bit we were doing and i'm remembering it now i'm like this is a good bit just reading like reading

02:59:14.260 a full page of just talking about like unicorns flying into an ass and then and then you're like

02:59:19.640 he makes a few good points they're phrased inelegantly yeah but just trying to i'm gonna 0.99

02:59:26.500 see from his point of view um we'll do an auto blaming blaming white people for the moon or

02:59:33.460 something you know um oh we got el here in the chat saying rat from hitler is in guantanamo bay

02:59:39.780 i mean we can only hope if anyone knows the lore on her like the real life story of this woman

02:59:48.760 it's really fucking weird and tragic she is some people think it's she's playing a character she's 0.87

02:59:54.600 just an insane woman um and and to make her into an e-celeb which she's kind of trying to be 0.98

03:00:01.620 recently she was posting photos of her at the gym she was doing gym thirst trap images and she is not 1.00

03:00:08.700 hot and so it's like this is just an embarrassing thing you're doing and now now she's wanted by 0.94

03:00:14.880 the fucking government by kamala harris i assume um but like someone made a good point um that 0.98

03:00:22.020 if you if you're at all interested in internet subcultures and shit if you've been paying 0.99

03:00:27.800 attention to the shit that's been going on in feminist spaces and the theory that they've been 1.00

03:00:33.480 talking about the things these women are saying are the most outwardly violent nihilistic in like 1.00

03:00:39.920 insane screeds you you'd only have heard of them from like the order of the nine angles previously 1.00

03:00:44.480 like that iron march type stuff but it's just a feminist version of that and it's it's got legs 1.00

03:00:51.920 i believe it and i i was able to take its temperature over time obviously we had tumblr

03:00:58.800 up until 2017 2018 where like all kinds of strange nurgle style abominations were kind of creeping

03:01:05.120 off of that website and then that began to be uncomfortably rapidly reflected in academia

03:01:11.040 informed by queer theory and then we get constant platforming of people like bell hooks

03:01:15.600 which is concerning um and then there's like this split right there's like this turf war to use the 1.00

03:01:21.920 pun you know where white women themselves begin to like to understand that white feminism is a 1.00

03:01:28.160 way to like kind of do positional warfare against them and so there's a kind of white feminist jihad 1.00

03:01:32.720 which i've been interested in uh unfortunately like white men are still a casualty of white 1.00

03:01:37.840 feminism of the radical variety absolutely true and you know i think a lot of white women especially 0.65

03:01:45.600 white feminists they're not aware that they're at the intersection of a lot of different battles 1.00

03:01:51.840 right now like um one thing i pointed out previously is that when every city sort of 1.00

03:01:56.320 anti-woman accounts you know female l's or you know just kind of misogynistic accounts 0.95

03:02:02.720 um usually the examples they give are of white women right just being humiliated or owned or 0.96

03:02:08.100 whatever and then you find out later that they're run by like brown guys or black guys so like oh 0.97

03:02:11.920 this is a different thing this is some kind of anti-white thing masquerading as an anti-woman 0.97

03:02:17.080 thing and a lot of them they're not hip to the fact that they're involved in like a different 1.00

03:02:21.020 sort of class conflict than they think that white feminists are treated differently than any other 1.00

03:02:27.020 type of feminist too i'm like you're the first ones that get thrown under the bus too you know 1.00

03:02:31.980 you're going to soon this whole like trans thing is going to get rolled back 1.00

03:02:36.100 and then they're going to blame all that on white feminists as well.

03:02:38.800 So I'm like,

03:02:39.340 you're going to get,

03:02:40.180 we saw what they did with Karens,

03:02:41.840 the whole idea that Karen is a,

03:02:43.680 in the zeitgeist.

03:02:44.460 I'm like,

03:02:44.980 you're just the,

03:02:45.860 the ones that are,

03:02:47.160 that get thrown under the bus first.

03:02:48.620 And then you don't know what to do anymore.

03:02:50.560 I think it's a good read.

03:02:51.920 I mean,

03:02:52.380 there's always,

03:02:53.360 there's always the figure of the Karen and whatever period of culture of,

03:02:57.360 you know,

03:02:57.640 I forget that Stacy's and things like that and other periods,

03:03:00.200 but i actually think too there's what there's psychosexual dimensions of this where like a 0.99

03:03:06.000 bunch of anti-white women stuff is still a way of of actually praising and glorifying white women

03:03:11.880 it's difficult to work out and in fact it's work for poor souls i i don't want to do it i don't 0.99

03:03:19.560 want to be compromised by it oh we got a comment here just from uh vor what the fuck is it vor 0.94

03:03:25.980 pallonville media harps on incels constantly but there's at least as many morbidly obese 1.00

03:03:30.780 blue hairs off the deep end well i guess that's the story of the uh woman what we call the fem 0.99

03:03:36.940 cell shooter that a woman who shot up a school of children her story seems to be that she was 0.96

03:03:43.160 just kind of a girl lose they always say like i'm a fem cell i'm a girl incel but she had a

03:03:47.900 boyfriend too so it's like okay incel means that you don't you don't have that you're just a weird 1.00

03:03:54.060 bitch then see no typical woman right like she needs credit for being a fem cell and of course 1.00

03:03:58.980 she's got at least like one guy you know it's just not it's not real even her shooting is this kind 1.00

03:04:05.740 of pathetic play for some kind of appraisal and and you know i don't want to be misogynist about 1.00

03:04:11.560 it let's be misogynist in the nichian sense of like okay women should be a higher type than men 0.92

03:04:16.680 or something and this is just this is kind of sad yeah we're talking about uh gun culture and of 0.98

03:04:23.560 course we ended up on e-girls and what the fuck is wrong with these broads out here we always end 0.91

03:04:29.600 up doing that on this show um but i know we gotta get going right around now um but i want to know

03:04:36.700 if there's uh just any last thoughts on the legal battles are you optimistic about the future are

03:04:43.640 you optimistic about trump and more importantly given everything you've been through up to and

03:04:49.700 including the news stories that we just discussed,

03:04:52.060 are you optimistic culturally about the future for this sort of thing?

03:04:58.540 Oh, yeah.

03:04:58.960 In general, very optimistic.

03:05:00.620 There's lots of people doing it.

03:05:02.380 And we predicted lots of people would be doing it.

03:05:05.020 It took three or four years for that to be true.

03:05:08.700 And you can credit maybe Chinese 3D printers

03:05:11.300 and some other things for helping that happen.

03:05:14.080 But it's not going to stop.

03:05:16.360 There's no meaningful way it would.

03:05:18.180 But I do fear that, like, there's something like a cold civil war conditions in the United States where states like California, states like New Jersey, and soon New York, right, because of the shooting, will meaningfully cabin this activity for millions of people and will have an outsized impact on how it works in the rest of the country.

03:05:38.180 Because, of course, in the Southern District of New York and certain cities in California, these prosecutors, these city attorneys, these are very powerful people, man.

03:05:45.620 These are AGs who are now comfortable going outside their sovereign boundaries, their borders, and they try to reach activity like in Texas, for example, where I am.

03:05:55.240 This is happening to me all the time.

03:05:56.520 I'm being sued by California.

03:05:57.800 I'm being sued by New Jersey.

03:05:59.120 I've seen two years of people trying to pass laws in New York about DEFCAD.

03:06:02.840 So I'm optimistic in one sense.

03:06:05.180 I know it will not stop.

03:06:06.080 And yet I do see a kind of dark age a little closer than anyone might assume because no one really takes these legal threats that seriously.

03:06:15.620 Well, I think that's probably why you got into this to begin with, even politically. You seem to be very attuned to survival and self-preservation. One thing you had mentioned there, and this is my main takeaway from this talk, it's that the opposition to this movement seems to be very top-down, by which I mean it's mostly politicians who are against it.

03:06:39.740 Now, when we talk about fentanyl or any other drug, the crack epidemic, you could see politicians against it, but also the people, men and women, families, like they're against this, this sort of thing.

03:06:52.380 Even something like TikTok, politicians are wary of it.

03:06:55.980 And frankly, most of the people who use TikTok, if you ask them, they probably say, this should be illegal.

03:07:01.420 We shouldn't have this.

03:07:02.320 This is some kind of mind virus.

03:07:03.860 right however when it comes to 3d printed guns i don't detect that the average person either hates

03:07:10.760 them or is terribly afraid of them it seems to be mostly journalists and politicians and just to

03:07:16.960 speak to your culture civil war scenario i think that especially with this uh luigi mangioni thing 0.88

03:07:23.640 i don't know if the average person man or woman fucking liberal or conservative is really that 0.97

03:07:30.140 scared of 3D printed guns. I think some people think it's cool. And more people read the Luigi 0.98

03:07:35.500 Mangione story and say, wow, 3D printed guns. How cool is that? Rather than we need to ban this.

03:07:40.960 Does that sound accurate? I think so. Yeah, that's that's probably your man on the street take. And

03:07:46.480 I watched this next round of press get generated over Mangione's gun. It looks like, oh, OK,

03:07:51.500 about a week's worth of press on. Hey, what you know, how do we what do we think about 3D printed

03:07:55.820 guns? There doesn't seem to be a consensus. And of course, the gun control groups are yelling

03:07:59.740 about it uh at the same time there's some proof here that this is a subculture and it has had

03:08:07.380 time to become mainstream and and has not and maybe will not and i think it's there's reason 0.99

03:08:14.180 to think that it will not that it's kind of the purview of a bunch of fucking nerds and trans 0.95

03:08:20.000 people in fact um and there's reasons to assess maybe why that is i guess and this will be the 0.93

03:08:26.260 last question i have for you would you like it to be mainstream would you like this to be popular

03:08:31.640 or should it remain the purview of a select segment of the population look that's hard to say

03:08:39.980 it it's just the culture within a culture and it's informed by that larger gun culture and

03:08:46.140 there's a certain kind of snobbishness about it in fact so you know they it wants to trot itself out

03:08:51.900 is a fun accepting hobby and in some respects it is but it's not really large enough to service a

03:08:57.780 big hobby base and then there's a bunch of laws being passed against it specifically or the things

03:09:02.400 that would allow it to happen so it's almost like the proof of a kind of decadence and the end of

03:09:07.860 something and um that doesn't mean i'm not optimistic about it becoming more meaningful

03:09:12.680 and as the technology improves becoming indispensable yet right now it's colonized by

03:09:18.540 people who kind of know it's not serious and that's just a fact i do wonder what this looks

03:09:27.460 like as morbid as this sounds once the boomers pass away how much of this is affected by like

03:09:33.960 you said that sort of cold war mentality and all it would take is maybe a new generation of people

03:09:40.160 who are more you know into this sort of thing where most of this goes away or at least gets

03:09:45.680 accepted do you think that could be it at all or is it deeper than that well look even people

03:09:50.480 within the present culture kind of forget what it was like at the beginning when i started this

03:09:54.500 thing and was like hey i'm gonna 3d print a gun even the american gun culture and the boomer as 0.98

03:09:58.560 you mentioned were like that's some fucking bullshit dude no one's gonna 3d print a gun 0.99

03:10:02.920 also get away from us 3d printed guns have nothing to do with what we're doing here 1.00

03:10:07.600 this is a distraction you know the gun culture itself refused 3d printed guns and in 10 or 15

03:10:13.420 years, okay, now there's like this common cause. People forget that. And so even I'm probably

03:10:18.860 wrong, maybe 10 or 15 years from now, you know, there'll be congressmen being like 3D printed

03:10:23.120 guns or an American birthright. And there've probably even been statements like that. So

03:10:28.000 you may be right. And yet that almost maps with what the second amendment has been in American

03:10:34.200 political culture. And like the American Whig political culture, for example, no one ever 0.50

03:10:39.140 really meant what they were talking about with the second amendment 200 years ago and now it's

03:10:43.860 accidentally true well that's a great way to end i think actually i know you gotta get going

03:10:49.900 very busy um i really really enjoyed this talk this is everything i hope to be you've been trying

03:10:55.680 for so long to set this up i know a lot of our listeners were really thrilled that this is

03:11:00.020 happening so i just want to thank you again i've been just going through the sites as you've been

03:11:04.160 talking as well showing off some of the wares and what people can expect so if you're just listening

03:11:09.000 to the audio version of this you don't get to enjoy that if you're looking at this you're

03:11:13.320 watching on x on youtube you've got a pretty good view i'm seeing a lot of reasonable guns i'm seeing

03:11:18.660 some really preposterous looking things that they're just there for me that's that's my type 0.81

03:11:24.420 of gun i like the red bull can suppressor i love that shit um so is there anything else that uh 0.98

03:11:31.960 we got your sights up here is there anything else that you would like to call attention to 0.98

03:11:34.680 or plug that i might have missed you know i you know i feel i feel bad about it man i the more

03:11:39.160 you plug some of my stuff the more likely this video will be taken down so i think we've done

03:11:44.120 a good job you've probably done too much already and know that you know this is what the thousand

03:11:49.300 flowers blooming looks like i mean not all these ideas deserve to survive and yet here they are

03:11:54.880 and it's our job there at defcat to preserve as much of it as possible because you know even

03:12:00.240 standard link rot on on the web is something what like 10 a year or really kind of alarming but

03:12:05.640 especially with 3d printed guns the creators disappear the sites go down the the files are

03:12:11.280 purged off of of the other standard repos so really there's this kind of um i don't know we're

03:12:17.300 building a pokedex but we're also just trying to rescue these things before they they disappear

03:12:21.540 yeah if i could suggest people who maybe just heard about this um it's a very rich and vibrant

03:12:28.820 community uh there's people who have 3d printed gun they have all kinds of crazy designs there's

03:12:34.300 creative teams working on this they have their own shooting competitions there's communities

03:12:39.100 that have a lot of history there that you can look into it's not this big scary thing that you've 1.00

03:12:45.680 been uh talked to you've heard fucking cody talk this entire time does he sound like a fucking 0.97

03:12:51.340 grug brain psycho no he sounds like a champion of the second amendment and i think that even in 0.98

03:12:58.240 canada there's a lot of people who could be interested in stuff like this and um i hope

03:13:02.920 i hope more people look into the coast runner device which is just to me again just as an

03:13:10.360 outsider it's just like a cool solid machine and i get excited about this anytime i hear about

03:13:15.520 decentralized manufacturing on a smaller scale that just as a side story is very you know energizing

03:13:24.040 to be well thank you man thank you for the platform and for your time and i've been excited

03:13:29.580 about what you guys are doing too i should have been more complimentary but um don't worry about

03:13:33.840 it if i can be of service i will coastrunner is for sale in canada oh excellent here we go yeah

03:13:42.760 i got the site up right here go coastrunner.net is where you guys want to be going to watch the

03:13:47.980 trailer um like you said yeah go look at the site you get all the information there and i'll let you

03:13:53.560 once again thank you for your time and thanks everyone for tuning in and uh i'll see you next

03:13:58.220 and maybe i seem a bit confused yeah maybe but i got you pegs

Blood Satellite - January 10, 2025

4D Chess is QTardation we Owe Ourselves

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