Blood Satellite - BIG BOOTY EPISTEMES

00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be

00:00:07.720 blood satellite hey how you doing how's your hair hey my hair's fine how's your hair buddy

00:00:24.340 hair is doing good so for people who are just tuning in that's the new way it's because i

00:00:30.500 because when we came on call i said how you doing you gorilla and he was really upset also i wasn't

00:00:35.760 really upset i'm looking at the show notes doc and as you said that you it typed in rapidly

00:00:42.720 at the top how's your hair and then as you said it you deleted it trying to remove the evidence

00:00:49.120 okay so um you brought my attention to something just the other day

00:01:01.440 and maybe i knew this from science fiction but it was a concept of what's this called car

00:01:09.240 carcinization carcinization yeah so for the folks at home what the fuck is that everything becomes

00:01:16.100 a crab man everything eventually becomes a crab there's no avoiding it yeah it's a form it says

00:01:22.360 right here on the computer it's a form of convergent evolution in which non-crab let me say

00:01:28.240 this crustaceans evolve into a crab-like body plane however why can't we apply this to everything

00:01:34.480 yeah and we're talking maybe millions billions of years yeah do you think it's true do you think

00:01:40.300 everything on a long like this would be the perfect organism form that's what we're saying

00:01:46.420 in some sense you could say like every single business model in the past 20 years has turned

00:01:51.100 into like defy gig work you know it's converged on the just the shittiest dumbest gayest shit you

00:01:58.940 can imagine because that's the only thing that flies at the bottom of the fucking ocean which

00:02:03.580 is where our economy is right now so it's you know it it works yeah i tell you what the perfect

00:02:08.580 an inevitable form of every life form is a crab and the inevitable form of every business is a

00:02:15.580 crab bucket yeah ah you dare i don't mind telling you i don't mind saying it

00:02:24.080 because now i'm just staring at images of crabs of course uh as i'm sure everyone who's listening

00:02:31.700 to this is doing i'm kind of just getting lost in it here like there's some wild crabs out there

00:02:37.160 man i guess it would be perfect for defense different types of movement if we could augment

00:02:44.400 that technologically you don't see a lot of crab entities in even the science fiction as enemies

00:02:49.620 it's all spiders and fucking worms and shit but why not the crab what are they trying to keep from

00:02:55.780 us yeah do you think there's like big big crab is trying to keep it to themselves yeah and of the

00:03:02.600 insects can we all come to terms with the crab seems the most human i'm seeing two big burly

00:03:08.780 arms up front that's like a guy are crabs bugs the crustaceans i guess it depends if you consider

00:03:16.760 crustaceans bugs because some people would say oh you don't like eating grasshoppers but you'll eat

00:03:20.860 shrimp same thing those people are fucking frauds that is weird it's not that weird i don't i think

00:03:28.020 aren't they like more closely related to um like snails then again snails are no snails are bugs

00:03:35.400 snails are crustaceans or no maybe they're not a mollusk i'm so confused mollusks there you go

00:03:40.080 that's the word mollusk i'll eat a mollusk i'll eat a squid everything you need to learn in life

00:03:45.300 you learn in elementary school i've been keeping this under my hat the entire time i know a lot

00:03:50.460 about sharks i know a lot about things with claws i was uh i was dropping my daughter at class and

00:03:56.000 She was about to go into class, into the school.

00:03:58.600 And she turned around and ran back.

00:03:59.680 She's like, but why do they call it fungus?

00:04:03.800 Like, I don't know.

00:04:04.980 I'm like, shit.

00:04:06.940 Yeah.

00:04:07.400 Can I tell you later?

00:04:08.480 Can you just go to class?

00:04:10.240 Okay.

00:04:10.540 Well, let me ask you this.

00:04:11.580 Did you find out?

00:04:12.460 Because now I, why?

00:04:13.500 No, I didn't.

00:04:15.200 She's got a million of those.

00:04:16.160 You know what?

00:04:16.740 You know what she asked me just that night when she was going to bed?

00:04:18.820 She says, but how does, how does the government not help people who are bad?

00:04:26.000 you raise your kids so cool dude what is this even i'm like i'm trying to disentangle what

00:04:30.760 are you even asking because that chain of logic emerged from your mouth into her brain at some

00:04:36.520 point and now she's throwing it back to you like well i mean so who enforces the contract in

00:04:43.560 ancapistan no the contract it enforces itself because it's personified in the violence that

00:04:50.560 is inherent in man yeah i think i probably said something almost exactly like that it's one of

00:04:55.500 those things you know the kids don't understand but they're internalizing the concepts so let's

00:05:00.320 say like they understand because as adults we're programmed to think understanding means saying i

00:05:07.500 agree or arguing with you and so because she's not arguing with you think oh she doesn't understand

00:05:12.260 no maybe she does maybe she's just downloading all of it right now because she understands it

00:05:17.080 better than i do awesome that's that's what i'm noticing with nichols um he's at an age he's almost

00:05:23.100 too but uh he's been pretty vocal for many many months now and very active and is shockingly good

00:05:30.560 at problem solving and things and uh he is starting to throw stuff back at us or letting us

00:05:36.700 know that he remembers things that we did contextually like he did he did the wildest

00:05:42.640 thing today again like he's he's not even saying full senses of course um he turns to in like a

00:05:48.960 few months but like we were eating dinner it was a weird situation because sometimes when you have

00:05:55.480 a kid that young um especially if it's a boy a lot of people think there's something wrong with

00:06:00.980 them because kids eat in a very strange way uh very rare they'll eat snacks right you didn't

00:06:06.980 giving a kid snack is easy but if you're trying to sit them down for a family a meal to teach

00:06:12.280 them what breakfast lunch and dinner is sometimes they don't want to sit at the table they want to

00:06:15.560 run around they want and then they'll come back to the plate then they'll run around and come back

00:06:19.600 to the plate and uh so we weren't at the dining room table we're at like a tiny table that's his

00:06:25.260 and i was just kind of sitting on the floor we're eating breakfast and his mother is in like a tiny

00:06:30.260 chair that we bought for him but she's using it he's also got his own chair but he saw i didn't

00:06:35.480 have a chair so he ran over to like the dining room chair and was pointing to it as it told me

00:06:41.680 like look dummy do you want a chair there's one right here and it's your size you idiot it's your

00:06:48.500 look what is the look in his eyes like are you dumb you want my respect you want my respect but

00:06:55.060 you're gonna sit here on the floor like an animal yeah no no he looked at it like dad you're on the

00:06:59.820 floor do you know how dumb fucking weird this is but then you realize oh okay this is kind of early

00:07:05.820 for that he understands that i'm not doing something and that's out of place and he's

00:07:09.600 trying to solve a problem for me and this is a special dinner where people sit in chairs it's

00:07:15.000 not snacking the fucking car seat you know i mean like so you start to realize oh this is the age

00:07:22.180 where they're recording because you could be forgiven for thinking oh a four-month-old they

00:07:26.160 don't they're not recording everything they are by the way but you could be like oh it's going to

00:07:30.300 be jumbled up but now he's he's he's telling me when something is amiss or he wants to do certain

00:07:36.440 things with me and then certain things with his mom craft time is with his mother with me it's

00:07:42.700 smash blocks together and wrestle and flip around and run face first into a wall yelling at browns

00:07:48.660 out the car window basically yeah yeah and uh but that means oh he's got a contextual world

00:07:54.600 that's a mind fuck once that happens it's not just like whoever whatever um anyway this is

00:08:01.600 you know dad stuff but uh it i guess it gets different after there too as well but

00:08:07.600 any other cool stuff your daughter says oh yeah i mean that's she's always asking that stuff

00:08:14.940 the one of them because bob and i talk about the but like geopolitics in the car and stuff and

00:08:20.280 she always asks like is that country good she's got this thing now she realizes such a thing as

00:08:24.980 good and bad countries and good and bad cultures and types of people so she's like what about that

00:08:29.220 country is that a good one or a bad one what's the worst country dad what's the worst country

00:08:33.000 we guys go through a list in the car of like the worst countries are all great questions and you're

00:08:37.320 not answering them right now yeah what's the worst country yeah i i think she asked that a lot so

00:08:42.800 sometimes i'll say china and sometimes i'll say uh korea she doesn't say which one she's smart

00:08:47.820 enough to not say which one she gets it it's just korea asia is just okay but really i must push

00:08:56.760 back upon you worse than somalia like what do you mean by worse but that's the this but you know what

00:09:03.000 that's the conversation that i have with her that that's a judas daughter question i don't just i

00:09:06.940 just don't i don't just throw an answer i'm like well what do you mean dear what do you mean by

00:09:10.260 worse do you mean like where the people are the most unhappy because that'd be here but do you

00:09:14.100 mean where the government is the most evil that'd be here or do you mean just where they don't have

00:09:17.540 enough food and everybody dies that'd be here there's a lot of there's a lot of answers to this

00:09:21.900 so yeah canada is the worst country you've just like explained in some sense canada is the worst

00:09:27.140 country all right you're raising your kid so smart it's wild like i i was not introduced to

00:09:34.440 any of this maybe that's good maybe that's bad undecided we don't really know how to shake out

00:09:39.600 for any of us but i'm going to be doing very much the same thing um also because i think kids are

00:09:46.300 exposed to more politics now than before yeah i have to believe that i have to believe that

00:09:52.200 not only are kids more aware due to technology but their parents just won't shut up about it i

00:09:57.900 don't think there's a time in the day awake or sleep where they're not like bitching about

00:10:03.440 politics in front of the kids or to their kids when we were kids there was kind of a truce you

00:10:10.380 know between the the the sides you know even in media most media at least pretended to be

00:10:17.500 moderately center line and hide their biases and they would all shake hands but i mean the last

00:10:23.800 15 years that's gone completely out the window so i think people have just it's the whole new

00:10:28.020 generation now are going to be raised in this world where oh no everything is constantly very

00:10:33.680 black and white very red and blue and uh you you kind of identify people's political stances i'm

00:10:40.260 imagining it's very different for us i'm imagining you're gonna have kids in probably already have

00:10:44.560 kids in high school who are like extremely political one way or another like you and i

00:10:48.940 got political we got like radicalized when we were late teen majors but i don't remember being like

00:10:55.380 politically radical when i was like grade 10 but i bet a lot of kids are now when i was a kid if

00:11:01.380 you cared about politics you were a nerd you were a nerd yeah yeah yeah exactly nobody could like

00:11:06.140 you were actually mocked if you were to have conversations about like democracy and rights

00:11:13.280 and and whatever else left or right either way if you were having the conversation you were a fag

00:11:17.840 so yeah and you didn't have enough information to tell what political striped men what it's like if

00:11:24.240 you saw a guy a man wearing a beret you're like oh what are you a comment what are you a pinko

00:11:29.140 commie liberal that's what you might say something like that you don't know what it means but it's

00:11:32.380 like oh you're like you're in you're into something odd i have much more respect for the goths i have

00:11:38.420 much because you're ranking that oh so you're like a rage against the machine faggot yeah yeah

00:11:43.880 rage against machine is a great example of how a teenager would interface with radical politics

00:11:50.780 because it's just all of it at once it's a che guevara t-shirt and it's a wallet chain and it's

00:11:56.620 kind of like a mulatto guitarist talking about how george bush is hitler like you don't know

00:12:01.920 any of these reference points it's just iconography and you're like oh yeah this is this feels like

00:12:06.480 it's politics banksy is my politics child holding balloon hit by jet i'm amazed that rage against

00:12:14.120 machine didn't have a banksy fucking cover just like here's a little girl wearing a wolf mask

00:12:21.100 and her balloons a grenade yeah yeah shooting a flower gun or some shit it would be more profound

00:12:28.020 if it was a blank square just the worst combination of half thoughts you've ever seen

00:12:36.020 jared leto of of graphic art yeah so people just to explain that uh we were talking beforehand

00:12:44.380 about a certain type of individual and i don't know if they existed across time maybe they did

00:12:51.760 for an immediate reference this would be kendall roy from the show succession one of the most

00:12:59.080 important shows up second only if not equal to sopranos think about it don't talk to me about it

00:13:06.280 but it's these guys who are in love with being creative or the action of creativity so i gave

00:13:13.840 the example of 30 seconds to mars the band that jared leto is a front man of jared leto who's a

00:13:19.300 fine actor i got i actually don't mind him as an actor i think he could be very good but he also

00:13:23.440 has a rock band that's the genre

00:13:26.280 my wife liked some of their songs when she was young so we were listening to a couple in the 0.98

00:13:45.800 car the other day because i gotta throw her a bone obviously she can't just listen to

00:13:50.120 fucking sadistic and bones all day and so i'm listening to it and like it sounds like it's

00:13:56.120 from that era that my chemical romance era and i'm like but if you look if you pay attention

00:14:02.600 the lyrics and the music it's just completely flat the lyrics mean nothing and we were talking

00:14:08.560 about why 30 seconds of mars didn't get any bigger and i said well honey it's probably because

00:14:13.920 jared leto has never had a creative thought in his head his entire life she's like oh that's too

00:14:19.480 much like no like these i think he's in love with the idea of being a rock star i think these are

00:14:24.300 songs written by nobody i think he put pen to paper but there's no passion here there's no

00:14:30.160 reason these lyrics need to exist it's all vagaries it's all about the revolution of love

00:14:35.320 it's just a child could write these but i'm like there's people like that all the time where

00:14:41.280 they some you'll find them in your 20s if you're in your 20s and you're going to school

00:14:47.840 or you're in the streets you'll find guys who are in love with the idea of being an author

00:14:52.640 and they have no story to tell they're in love with and then this the extreme of this

00:14:58.240 would be kendall roy from succession this billionaire who's just not a creative bone

00:15:03.840 in his body not an innovative thought in his head but he's in love with the idea of bringing

00:15:08.560 creates together we need we need to get the gurus in the same room and synergize and we did action

00:15:15.380 the future today and and he'll say something like this he'll say this right he's like and you know

00:15:20.020 what man maybe it saves the world and maybe it blows it up and you know what maybe that's the

00:15:23.840 same thing fucking the imagineers the dj crew you know this is highly egalitarian like do your job

00:15:31.080 but fucking get your drink on get your buzz on there's no boundaries if you're cool mission

00:15:36.260 control out how's it going cool earrings very uh bow house big fan of what you guys do fucking

00:15:41.580 sweet chili sauce uh you want to start off just hearing our five points sure sure you go okay but

00:15:48.000 i think the headline needs to be fuck the weather we're changing the cultural climate boom just like

00:15:54.280 a statement that informs you this is the worst person you've ever seen and there's a lot of

00:16:00.500 these people who are and we use the term cargo cult a lot but they cargo cult creativity the

00:16:05.960 cargo called the revolution but nothing comes from within them but they're just like excited

00:16:11.760 about the action of creativity so that's you know the more i thought about it that's why i love that

00:16:17.840 show that succession like if you actually watch that front to back you're like i i know this

00:16:23.200 character this is a person that's real and there's a lot of them and they're very rich and they have

00:16:29.520 the power to make things happen and they're in every single political sphere right now they're

00:16:34.760 every company and they they're oblivious they're oblivious to how how many knives they deserve in

00:16:44.020 their guts i i i want i need to kill i need i need to need to slaughter men we love a neo-nazi

00:16:54.140 tinhead we love charlie manson those guys are the worst yeah you want to know what they might

00:17:02.980 have an opinion on and i don't even know why we need to talk about this except that other people

00:17:08.240 are talking about it and i have some big feelings about it have you been seeing what's been going on

00:17:15.280 with people and i don't know i forget what caused this i think it was christopher rufo

00:17:21.140 i'm gonna blame christopher rufo where it's a safe bet i have lord help me i've encountered

00:17:28.700 to discourse you stepped in it where it's not even old boomers this is not a boomer thing

00:17:33.640 this is a gen x thing maybe even an older millennial thing where they're saying like

00:17:38.080 if you if you're familiar with mike roe i'm mentioning a lot of names here before i get

00:17:44.160 to my fucking point but if you remember mike roe i don't really hate mike roe but he was this sort

00:17:48.440 of blue collar he was an actor playing a blue collar man right saying that he invented this

00:17:55.680 called the sweat pledge because he said you know what there's 50 million blue collar jobs available

00:18:01.260 in america that have gone unstaffed and it's the fault of young people who just don't want to work

00:18:06.620 and guess what young people these jobs are there for the taking you should go get them but when he

00:18:10.340 did a show uh several shows saying like the he was pushing the glory of blue collar work which is

00:18:17.360 admirable i think that's good because growing up it was what was it work smarter not harder if you

00:18:23.600 work with your hands you're a dummy so i don't believe in that at all so i'm like okay that's

00:18:26.980 good however he's pushing that there's all these jobs that kids are too lazy to go after did you

00:18:32.180 have a thought on that no i mean i just i i don't want to interrupt you i pretty much i know what

00:18:36.900 you're saying i agree with what you're saying here's the claim and i'm not making this out

00:18:42.200 the claim by chris rufo and i remember this the words i'm saying are very careful that you can

00:18:47.140 find a low six figure job in american dollars with a high school diploma that is non-union

00:18:54.840 and non-trade and you can get there within a couple years get to low six figures after a

00:18:59.920 couple years i don't know what dimension you're living in for that to be true i'd love to just

00:19:05.920 see one example like even and not even a mathematical proof not even a statistic just

00:19:11.100 give me like an anecdote with somebody that somebody would actually put their name on so

00:19:14.800 we can find them and find out how they're lying the only example he gave was in fact a union job

00:19:19.680 it was a story that was published about ups that the teamsters union had reached a deal that their

00:19:25.600 drivers and i mean i've read a few different sources on this it seems to be true they're

00:19:30.400 getting paid 170k a year just for the drivers that doesn't sound right i don't i don't think

00:19:37.360 that's true i just don't i just don't believe that that every you because i've my no look i

00:19:41.600 I know some UPS drivers here in Canada and they are brain dead Somalis on

00:19:45.860 barely minimum wage.

00:19:46.940 So it does not make any fucking sense that because 270,000 us dollars,

00:19:51.980 what is that like 250 K that's more than a surgeon makes in Canada.

00:19:56.120 So no,

00:19:56.880 that's just fucking,

00:19:57.820 I don't,

00:19:58.380 I don't care where you read it.

00:19:59.620 It's fucking false.

00:20:01.240 It has to be false.

00:20:02.240 The only thing I could say it's,

00:20:03.840 it's,

00:20:04.080 it would be the teamsters union.

00:20:05.420 So it's only the union drivers,

00:20:07.100 but it's still so they represented a few hundred thousand,

00:20:09.600 like enough where it's not like just no way look here's the thing if a ups driver actually makes

00:20:15.120 170 000 us dollars i want the i want them to all die i want that money back in the economy

00:20:21.440 fuck ups i mean fuck ups anyways but that that i i can't even i'm actually more mad that it would

00:20:27.460 be true because that's not fucking fair that's like four times what i make fuck you but but to

00:20:36.340 the point i was making the only example i saw him give was a union job and he had said a non-union

00:20:41.760 non-trade job so don't don't come to me saying that an underwater welder can do that or some

00:20:46.980 kind of very exotic trade that there's maybe 12 openings in america for that's an important part

00:20:52.480 of the lie is saying that oh you can get into it young without any training nobody's denying that

00:20:57.420 there are guys in trades that make a lot of money but at least in canada i can't speak for the states

00:21:01.960 but at least in canada if you're gonna make money in trades it's after like 15 years of fucking up

00:21:06.680 your back i know a lot of guys that make good money in trades but they didn't make money in

00:21:10.420 those trades until their kids were like in like getting into high school i mean not like good

00:21:15.000 good money so also buying your own tools there's all kinds of investment and moving around that

00:21:19.360 goes in there but i'm i was speaking from experience i was talking to some people about

00:21:22.980 this i said like i worked these jobs i was at a high school high school diploma took a few years

00:21:28.340 didn't go back to college and i worked in a recycling plant i worked in warehouses i worked

00:21:34.580 general labor and construction sites i worked in kitchens for many years like we had before i went

00:21:39.360 back to school at 23 i had we had like 20 jobs you you and i worked all over the place and remember

00:21:44.200 when we were talking about like to these the years here that you and i were doing this it would have

00:21:49.640 been like 2006 through 2011 or something like that where we're switching jobs like every six

00:21:57.160 months and none of these jobs paid more than two dollars over minimum wage and we almost always

00:22:03.640 got treated like scabs like because we're outside guys nobody wanted to train us nobody wanted to

00:22:08.680 help us they wanted to push us out like everywhere like and and the reason i bring up the years is

00:22:14.760 because this was a much much much better economy than we have now like maybe 2019 was better than

00:22:22.560 2011 but don't try to tell me that 2011 is worse than today yeah like i'll give an example of the

00:22:29.440 kitchens i worked in several restaurants because that's not a trade but trade adjacent so you're

00:22:35.640 fucking shrooming if you think even the guy running the kitchen is making above six figures

00:22:42.260 you're broke as fuck like the suit i remember we were talking about those sous chefs were like

00:22:45.660 they probably they had a little bit of spare money and it went to weed and then they didn't

00:22:49.400 have shoes like that and these are the that was that was a nice fucking restaurant too because

00:22:54.120 you know what he's all rufo is almost saying and the people who agree with him it's not just one

00:22:57.600 person it's him and everyone agrees with him and anyone everyone in that circle you're saying that

00:23:02.020 anyone making minimum wage is making mid six you know i mean like what do you think people make

00:23:07.060 they make this thing called minimum wage do you think that gets you to 120 000 or just over 100

00:23:12.400 000 no like what the fuck you're talking about and that tells me i'm like you are just removed

00:23:18.480 some people will think and i was checked this by our good friend john talley he had said well you

00:23:24.140 know i don't think you need a hundred thousand dollars to raise a family like these because

00:23:28.140 part of the response to that was the u.s no you don't yeah part of it was like oh rufo you could

00:23:33.140 do a lot you know you can't do anything with hundred thousand dollars these days but you

00:23:37.080 actually can like with a hundred thousand dollars canadian you can raise a family now are you going

00:23:43.020 to have every extravagance are you going to be able to afford a four thousand dollar canadian

00:23:49.320 mortgage payment a month which is what some people get stuck as you will but you'll be that's why

00:23:53.600 when you hear nobody in canada has any savings this is why this is the thing that that kind of

00:23:59.120 bugs me when we get into these arguments because there's a tendency to go to identify chris rufo

00:24:03.960 and you know micro and whoever being a fucking asshole boomer and say you're wrong and then go

00:24:09.140 overboard and being like not only can we not find that but it's it's a crime because you like you

00:24:15.140 said like oh you can't you can't even survive a single guy can't even survive on less than a

00:24:19.780 hundred thousand us dollars a month that's retarded that's that doesn't make that doesn't

00:24:24.080 make any sense you can't raise a family comfortably if you just know how to do if you're not just

00:24:29.500 buying the dumbest in canada our our wages are lower our property values are higher we are

00:24:36.720 arguably on every facet of life we are more fucked than the americans and i am not the only person

00:24:42.440 that i know who has a four-person family on the equivalent of like 40 50 000 us dollars a year

00:24:48.480 this is it sucks we're very poor and we're obviously poor if you meet us but we're alive

00:24:54.180 and my kids are healthy so and the reason i don't like it is this argument becomes it becomes an

00:25:00.180 argument where you say the reason that i'm never going to get married and the reason i'm never

00:25:04.420 going to have kids and the reason i'm never going to do x y and z is because i refuse to do it

00:25:08.360 unless i can find like the ideal situation that my parents had and the way i look at it is like

00:25:13.340 life sucks i totally agree somebody should have to pay i personally want blood i'm here for as

00:25:20.080 much blood as we can get but at the same time that you have a choice in front of you and the

00:25:25.280 minutes are ticking by you have to either shit or get off the pot right you have to either form the

00:25:30.500 family now or you have to commit yourself to extreme violence and death one of one of the

00:25:35.200 other right but you can't just say oh i'm gonna i'm gonna wait until i'm i'm gonna i'm gonna wait

00:25:40.840 until i'm 50 because things will be no you're not i'm sorry but that does it doesn't work that way

00:25:44.220 you are just committing to be to being childless and unmarried i'm gonna say something and you're

00:25:49.780 not gonna like it here we go oh you gotta hear me out have you considered that your life might

00:25:55.140 be slightly easier if you got if you did something about the pogs i can't no you and i have talked

00:26:05.280 about this before and i've told you not to bring this up on the show the pogs are all i have all i

00:26:11.900 have you weren't there you weren't there in 1998 you weren't there in 1994 these diamond hands

00:26:19.540 these pogs are everything to me we didn't have a word for diamond hands back then but that's what

00:26:25.800 it fucking was these pogs are going to be worth millions just the slammers just just the slammers

00:26:33.640 alone just the slam at first i was thinking oh is he going to think pogs like the toy or like

00:26:38.940 the fat ass white girl fat ass white girls fat ass white girls are depreciating acid

00:26:43.900 also slammer still works just start calling pogs slammer uh sir just uh sir uh sir this is a

00:26:55.380 wendy's no it isn't wendy's is a slammer if you know what i'm saying next time someone tells you

00:27:01.700 that a place is a wendy's you slip their fucking throat from ear to ear i tell you what yeah that's

00:27:08.420 But just to go back to the argument that everyone's having about whether or not, like, these jobs don't exist.

00:27:15.860 Speaking from personal experience, you can raise a family comfortably on that money.

00:27:20.140 However, those jobs, they literally just don't exist.

00:27:22.860 What are we even talking about?

00:27:24.060 And then everyone's snowballing.

00:27:25.500 A lot of these mainstream conservative types are like, yeah, I've heard about these.

00:27:28.980 I've heard that.

00:27:29.500 Like, you can go and pick it off the tree.

00:27:31.460 And I'm like, who updated your firmware?

00:27:35.640 What script, what fax machine is running?

00:27:38.160 where are you getting like this i've never seen such a bizarre inversion of reality than this

00:27:43.340 and i think they're serious and why is it that young people are also trying to gun after young

00:27:48.560 people you're seeing like boomerisms just descend generationally to like gen x and older people like

00:27:55.140 you don't need to do this you don't just need to keep saying young people don't have enough

00:27:59.400 stick-to-itiveness maybe there's some other and of course everyone's got the data everyone's got

00:28:04.440 the graphs everyone's got the all the feeds of where this is the counter the counterbalance to

00:28:10.280 us complaining about how bad the economy is and how hard it is for us the counterbalance is we're

00:28:17.660 saying that it was easy for them relatively speaking and i think that's true you have an

00:28:21.940 insulated not totally insulated but a somewhat insulated group of people like if you have people

00:28:27.140 in a certain area from a certain background with a certain level of education and income

00:28:30.960 even across generation across generations they are going to have a tendency to look at each other

00:28:37.300 and then project their experiences onto the rest of the country and then when they hear the rest

00:28:41.460 of the country complaining even if they might want to agree on a rational level if they accept

00:28:47.020 the fact that things are much harder than what they also have to accept is i am not personally

00:28:53.180 responsible for my success i kind of just got lucky i got born this way and nobody wants to

00:28:59.980 say that especially wealthy boomers because their whole thing is like bootstraps like you think about

00:29:04.520 it this way every time a boomer tells you to pull yourself up by your bootstraps what he's saying is

00:29:09.920 between the lines uh that's what i did you should do it too and the truth is no boomer ever pulled

00:29:16.320 himself up by his fucking bootstraps they lived in the wealthiest most upwardly mobile you know

00:29:22.200 part of human history and they benefited from it some of them stupidly so they in any other time

00:29:28.880 in history they would be dead in a ditch and they're wealthy so but they can't that's a huge

00:29:34.300 block boomers are the generation that facilitated never mowing their own lawn

00:29:39.340 like it's either get get a kid to do it or get mexico to do it like don't tell me you've never

00:29:45.320 lifted italian yeah or you you've never lifted a finger there's no bootstraps yeah me i'm lifting

00:29:51.840 myself up on my spurs but even even the lawn to me the lawn thing is funny unto itself because

00:29:58.320 it's like they're the generation of lawns like previous two generations before then we didn't

00:30:03.600 have lawns people didn't really have houses but you had gardens and then you had a you had a farm

00:30:07.980 and the english didn't have lawns in that sense so they're the ones who invented this idea of let's

00:30:13.240 no not them technically previous generation but like let's have these houses and let's put all

00:30:17.360 this grass on it and the grass doesn't do anything it just costs a lot of money they hate it you kill

00:30:22.020 the native stuff you kill the clover you kill the fescue and everything else and then you and then

00:30:26.840 you have to pour chemicals on it and then you have to ride around on it and waste gas and make

00:30:31.260 a big fucking noise and waste your own time and if you don't do that you don't have like enough

00:30:36.780 protestant work ethic even though the work that you're doing achieves nothing burns limited

00:30:42.020 resources and wastes everyone time everyone's time and creates uh noise pollution it was so

00:30:46.820 funny i just say this boomers they're remarkable in many ways but they are the first generation

00:30:52.320 that invested such an insane amount of capital

00:30:55.320 to create such a vast array of banes of their existence.

00:31:00.260 Yeah, they created it.

00:31:01.560 They didn't need to do all this lawn stuff

00:31:02.880 and they hate their lawns.

00:31:04.600 Yeah, yeah.

00:31:06.340 But this is them, right?

00:31:08.000 The ability to create something that you hate

00:31:11.300 just so you can complain about it,

00:31:12.720 but still it not really be a problem for you.

00:31:14.640 That is such a pure luxury.

00:31:17.160 Like we always laugh at the wealthy Chinese

00:31:19.040 because what they do is they go to the seafood restaurant

00:31:21.520 and they order way more than they could possibly eat and then they don't eat it and they leave all

00:31:26.120 of this very expensive food on the table to get thrown away just so that they can all sit back

00:31:30.120 and complain about the restaurant and say this place they always bring us too much it's pretty

00:31:35.240 decent food but oh they always bring too much it's like you intentionally ordered 50 people's

00:31:40.460 meals for 25 people you fucking idiot but it's just again do that why do they do it's it's it's

00:31:46.580 i'm saying this is the same thing it's a show of wealth it's because you leaning back and wasting

00:31:51.380 all of that and having the

00:31:53.540 gall to complain about it as if it's somebody else's

00:31:55.620 problem is like the most

00:31:57.240 ostentatious show of middle

00:31:59.460 class wealth. I tell you this, there's, just to bring

00:32:01.520 this back to succession, because

00:32:03.520 I'm working my way through season four, there's this amazing

00:32:05.720 character, and

00:32:07.640 I think we talked about the show before, but it's sort of like

00:32:09.560 the, it's a conglomeration of different

00:32:11.520 sort of families, but it's about

00:32:12.800 this universe's version of Fox

00:32:15.420 News, right? And that whole Fox

00:32:17.580 Corporation, and it's not

00:32:19.580 like thumbing its nose at them either it's like telling a very fascinating family dynamic story

00:32:23.500 but logan roy would be the patriarch of that family but there's a counterpart the the cnn of

00:32:28.880 that universe is controlled by the another dynastic family but the head of it's this older woman

00:32:34.740 they called her nan and they're trying to meet to facilitate a buyout because that just like cnn

00:32:41.060 that they're failing and but they they can't put out any signs of weakness but the woman who's in 1.00

00:32:47.580 charge of it she's still a billionaire right but every scene she's in she makes a big show about 1.00

00:32:54.080 how she doesn't care for her entire life like they're meeting her in this fucking villa where 1.00

00:33:00.100 she lives they're meeting about the and she makes a comment looking out in her like like it's almost 0.96

00:33:04.960 like the fucking palace to versailles right yeah um chateau de versailles and she's like oh look

00:33:10.920 that they fertilized the lawn with hundred dollar bills it looks like it's like that's your lawn

00:33:17.040 you hired them you told them to make it that way but she she has to stand they're talking about the

00:33:23.320 sale of the company and she's like oh i don't numbers are horrible i don't like talking numbers

00:33:28.540 and it's just this song and dance you gotta do with her so she can always be removed from the 1.00

00:33:34.140 reality of what she fucking is yeah which is a fucking like billionaire elite you know almost 1.00

00:33:41.380 like or she's got there's this scene in that very same scene she's gesturing to some wine it's like 1.00

00:33:46.920 you know go take a bottle of that it's like some fucking 1940s chateau to whatever the fuck she's

00:33:52.180 like oh my might as well be fruit punch to me i don't have a taste for it like yeah your pile

00:33:59.540 10 000 wine then you're like oh i don't even like that but i'm like that's so fucking that

00:34:06.140 encapsulated yeah i don't know if these arguments are even genuine but i'm looking at this like

00:34:11.300 how is how are we even talking about this yeah are we just is this just where we are now that's

00:34:17.280 some generation will take the place of boomers and echo their very same arguments well i think

00:34:23.140 that's that's where it's coming from right it's it's it's almost like a like a gatekeeper or a

00:34:26.960 golem thing where the people who have got theirs already because of the nature of this system you

00:34:32.300 don't get yours by actually pulling yourself up by the bootstraps and working hard you either

00:34:36.580 were born with it or you cheat your way in so if you cheat your way in obviously you're not going

00:34:40.620 to say that and if you're born with it you could say that if you're really honest but usually you

00:34:44.280 don't so you have these people who are in that position and all of them are almost universally

00:34:49.000 going to say oh why don't you just do what i did it's so easy it's like yeah well we're gonna do

00:34:53.320 what you did that you you metaphorically cut people off at the ankles we're just going to

00:34:57.620 physically cut you off at the ankles it's like you got two sides of this one side is the roof

00:35:02.000 side saying why don't you just fucking go uh get the fucking million dollar job it's right there

00:35:07.140 then you have the other side saying you think i can pay for a bachelor apartment with a million

00:35:11.940 dollars a year and i'm looking at both of these like does anyone here have a job no does either

00:35:19.280 i don't think anybody on twitter has a has a real job you know for rufo okay what's your thing you

00:35:25.040 guys are commentators you have a fake job you work for institutes you just take money from you

00:35:31.900 shave off money from billionaires to pay yourself no one here works and everyone else in between is

00:35:37.380 making money off of generating outrage on x making like five grand a month by posting

00:35:44.080 things that are retarded on purpose like okay hey can't knock the hustle but just to check in

00:35:50.220 does anybody here work a job and i mean really like because i if to be debating this at all i

00:35:57.240 have to assume everyone involved in this who doesn't who isn't advocating for a concentration

00:36:02.360 camp for anyone really at the top end of this is is not a real person yeah this is one of those

00:36:08.200 ones that it's it is becoming rapidly like the like the age of consent thing where like it's not

00:36:13.400 really open for discussion if you are on the other side of it you are not a person you're

00:36:20.000 you're this is we're not we're not interested in hearing words from you because this is you're

00:36:25.800 clearly wrong this did not like why even talk about it you and i have both been in the job

00:36:31.180 market on and off for two years is there anything i mean we're talking about canada we're not going

00:36:37.440 to say we know the states but like you and i skilled guys moderately educated lots of work

00:36:42.660 experience no fucking work if you and i had to go to the job market today and we both looked

00:36:47.460 we would actually end up working at that mcdonald's job and we would be competing directly

00:36:52.360 with illiterate indians who live nine to a room which means we would be making eight dollars

00:36:56.560 canadian an hour and then we would die that's that's this is not an exaggeration that's real

00:37:01.720 the only way that people like you and i can survive at this point and everybody knows this

00:37:05.320 again this is the real story is small business grift and tax evasion that's all there is that's

00:37:12.440 all that's left that is what we do not the tax evasion for the record but like that's a crime

00:37:17.580 i would never do that we had to take the entrepreneurial option which is well i guess

00:37:21.840 i'm starting my own business which is hard in every conceivable way nothing is easy your life

00:37:29.020 sucks uh forever but it is what it is and that's that's the mantra of the millennial you know what

00:37:36.700 It is what it is.

00:37:39.120 I don't think I could ever work with an Indian again.

00:37:42.180 No.

00:37:42.560 Oh, please.

00:37:43.780 I'm going to talk about this in a future episode.

00:37:46.180 I'm going to be talking about this actually with T.R. Hudson on his show, Cannon Fodder.

00:37:52.040 I'm recording it next week, but I'm reading Camp of the Saints right now.

00:37:57.140 Nice.

00:37:57.540 So for people, that is our most requested book.

00:38:00.340 I've had like a few dozen people say like, can you do Camp of the Saints?

00:38:04.920 They've sent me PDFs of it.

00:38:06.700 And I was always going to, you know, listen to it when read it.

00:38:10.320 I was always going to read it, but it just got pushed further and further down the pile.

00:38:15.740 And now I'm reading it and I don't know what I was expecting.

00:38:20.380 Maybe I was expecting Turner Diaries, some kind of Dave the Rope type thing where, oh, here's what happens in the race war.

00:38:27.500 But it's so much deeper and multi-layered and chilling.

00:38:33.260 Like, have you read it? Did you read Camp of the Saints?

00:38:35.040 no it's it is one of the top of my list right now you know i'm reading that i'm reading the

00:38:40.100 diamond age right now because everybody's talking about that which is all right but i think i'm

00:38:43.600 going to read that next it's fucked it's not even particularly it's a gory it's but it's

00:38:48.300 the way it describes and i'm only like 50 pages in um but it's it's talking about this mass migration

00:38:56.140 from the ganges from india primarily india because it's it's not even against the global south as it

00:39:04.160 because it doesn't group in muslims and arabs and persians and stuff there it's it's specifically

00:39:09.960 a migrant fleet coming from india and sailing over to france to europe basically but also

00:39:18.280 france specifically and just them describing india or the author describing india it's almost

00:39:27.220 paranormal the way he does it and there's there's such an infusion of of spirituality and other

00:39:33.240 worldliness that it's not they're not even just zombies but they're like weird deranged creatures

00:39:39.580 almost it describes it almost as like a spontaneous revolution but facilitated by these race traders

00:39:46.760 and by race traders you mean like like europeans who were in india who think that the west deserves

00:39:54.520 it and because they make it clear that it's not like the the migrants just decided to up and do

00:39:59.360 this one day they almost needed to be corralled to doing it by various ideologues and you know

00:40:05.640 there's a whole array of people but like once it's in motion it becomes this force and just

00:40:11.040 and so there's like literally a million indians stuffed on these liners these ocean liners headed

00:40:17.360 towards europe yeah i mean just describing what must it be like on those ships imagine the smell

00:40:23.540 it describes to you the smell it describes to you how like they burn through all the wood and so

00:40:28.460 they're like boy they're drying out their own feces to burn that to cook the rice but then

00:40:35.260 anyway i won't get too into i'm going to discuss on the podcast but like it sticks with you the

00:40:40.940 imagery in this it'll haunt you i'm convinced of it so thank you for whoever cursed this fucking

00:40:49.080 book to me um you understand now why it's so hard to get a copy you understand why you want to buy

00:40:57.200 a copy on amazon you're gonna be paying 250 from some guy you can't get it's out of print but i'm

00:41:03.140 like yeah because if regular people read this i think it would send shockwaves throughout society

00:41:11.300 like if you actually if this was made cool and young people were reading it and they could

00:41:15.720 read it because there's nothing that hostile towards modern sensibilities about it's written

00:41:20.080 in the 70s right but i mean i think this would actually change minds do you want to get into

00:41:25.920 predictions for 2025

00:41:28.320 hit it let's go

00:41:30.260 and if you

00:41:31.860 can believe it

00:41:34.580 it's a big gay

00:41:36.340 op surely once again

00:41:38.220 classic friend of the show

00:41:40.080 Ted had

00:41:42.200 collected a few predictions

00:41:44.160 that we had made

00:41:45.780 or I had made rather for 2025

00:41:48.220 or the near future

00:41:50.320 did you make it this is an opening question

00:41:54.440 and I'm just

00:41:55.020 ambushing you with this right now

00:41:57.360 but did you have any predictions

00:41:59.600 in any

00:42:01.000 geopolitical or whatever

00:42:02.860 I will stand by

00:42:05.280 everything I have

00:42:07.660 ever said I will die on every

00:42:09.620 hill but also I don't remember saying anything

00:42:11.820 so

00:42:12.260 I would love to

00:42:14.440 I would love for us to be confronted by our own takes

00:42:17.520 I would love it if someone could

00:42:19.500 actually go through the archives and find

00:42:21.380 any predictions we've made

00:42:23.260 that were wrong and just let me know

00:42:25.800 I don't mind it. We revel in

00:42:27.740 self-destruction.

00:42:29.780 I have made a couple, I made

00:42:31.640 like three I can think of and Ted

00:42:33.880 graciously has recorded them

00:42:35.860 in his blackmail

00:42:37.880 telegram chat and we'll

00:42:39.820 see, hey, I'll throw back this

00:42:41.780 if we're wrong. One of them was, and I made

00:42:43.920 this call on a recent

00:42:46.140 panel that

00:42:47.900 went live on Jay Burden, his

00:42:49.900 channel. He hosted a panel with

00:42:51.680 myself and gourd mcgill and black horse and cruptos i believe and just talking about the

00:42:58.780 resignation of trudeau and the election that is going to be called in short order and the

00:43:05.200 decision the liberal party has to make with who they're going to elect as their leader

00:43:08.560 and the comment i made was you know up until trudeau stepped down uh perhaps even just

00:43:16.240 ceremonially but anyway he stepped down pierre polyev was the lock for prime minister he everyone

00:43:23.060 just assumed he here's next prime minister if he's running against trudeau if he's not running

00:43:28.820 against trudeau i think he loses it if he is up against christia freeland who seems to be in talks

00:43:36.600 to maybe do it christia freeland remember also publicly stepped away from trudeau even before

00:43:43.120 he stepped down so she's got the goodwill

00:43:45.040 of someone who abandoned the man that

00:43:46.940 everybody hates plus the reputation

00:43:49.000 of being the real brains behind

00:43:51.120 the operation because people don't

00:43:53.260 hate the party remember

00:43:54.700 they don't hate the liberal party

00:43:56.900 they just hate him

00:43:58.380 so if you put fucking 1.00

00:44:00.920 girl boss up 1.00

00:44:03.080 there I don't think

00:44:05.180 people love Pierre

00:44:07.140 Polyev more than they hated Trudeau

00:44:08.760 I think if he's running against

00:44:11.200 anyone halfway competent Polyev

00:44:13.100 fucking loses because i think and this is the problem the problem is that everybody hates

00:44:19.900 trudeau and none of people hate the liberal party trudeau wasn't a special case compared to the rest

00:44:25.580 of the fucking liberals in terms of beliefs in terms of values long-term agendas neither does

00:44:30.700 polyeth by the way they align in pretty much everything but i'm just saying that they just

00:44:35.100 don't like true because he's dumb and he's inept and maybe he's slightly more extreme but he's just

00:44:42.540 weird that and i made the point i made on the show was and made this on the millennial canadian

00:44:49.000 banquet actually uh we were talking about the same thing and i had said no one would ever

00:44:52.880 assassinate trudeau or attempt to assassinate trudeau like trump because nobody hates trudeau

00:44:58.340 that's a wild thing to say right but no one actually hates trudeau they just got a green

00:45:03.460 light on bullying him that's different everyone is just owning him in public but they don't hate

00:45:08.680 enough to kill him or try to kill him they just think we're allowed to bully this nerd now but

00:45:13.520 that's what this is it's not even a political thing you have to fucking understand that half

00:45:18.040 the people who hate trudeau are not doing it because they understand his fucking political

00:45:22.200 stances and so if you just swap him out then maybe paulia loses that was my prediction my

00:45:28.700 prediction is i think paulia actually loses the election if they get someone like christian

00:45:32.280 freeland and they run head to head what do you think about that i don't pretend to know how

00:45:38.580 the other side thinks to me i hate christia for some of the reasons you just said i actually

00:45:46.880 personally hate christia freeland much more than i hate trudeau yeah i'm not saying i like her i'm

00:45:51.240 saying people would like her more i know well i guess what i mean is like i don't know how the

00:45:55.040 other side views it so like for me as a rash i think and not as a political person just as a

00:45:59.840 rational person we know that trudeau is an idiot and he was a stuffed shirt and a puppet we know

00:46:05.140 that christia freeland was the one who's been running the government for years so if you hate

00:46:09.240 what's been going on if you hate the collapse of our economy if you hate the housing crisis

00:46:13.560 you hate scandal after scandal after scandal that's all christia freeland that's not true

00:46:17.820 that is actually just her she's the one doing all of that um so to me to me as a person i would i

00:46:25.240 actually would think more votes would go to polyev if christia had the nomination but again i think

00:46:32.560 you might be right that the left-wingers don't view it that way the left-wingers are just upset

00:46:37.800 and want to bully and i don't i don't think the conservatives are up for it either because

00:46:43.940 all the topics you had just brought up that's stuff we talk about most canadian voters don't

00:46:50.100 Now, I made the claim that I stand by that Canadian, the average Canadian voter is not prepared to have a real conversation about economics.

00:46:58.880 And by economics, I mean what you see in America or even in Britain, where you hear phrases like on-shoring, re-shoring, friend-shoring, the idea of building back up the manufacturing base.

00:47:10.640 For what reason?

00:47:11.740 For economic sovereignty.

00:47:13.980 You know, people from Britain are used to having these conversations, especially around Brexit.

00:47:17.360 like i don't think canadians even can begin to have that conversation i don't hear

00:47:21.100 like they will complain about the price of groceries that's about as far as they go but

00:47:26.640 if you try and get them to talk about the forces impacting that or rebuilding the manufacturing

00:47:31.420 sector in canada nobody's talking about that not at all conservatives will be like we need more jobs

00:47:37.220 and then if polyev says i'm going to create more jobs by giving you wealthy indians to start

00:47:43.120 businesses they'll say thank you please more like that in no consideration for whether that even

00:47:49.200 makes sense or is even in their interest exactly like they the americans and others are willing to

00:47:57.100 have conversations that we just aren't willing to have up here like we you you will never find

00:48:01.740 anyone that will ever entertain a single criticism against universal health care for example like

00:48:06.620 there's certain there's certain topics you can never even even that's what is crazy to me like

00:48:11.060 even because the average conservative is somehow to like leftists hate the concept of like private

00:48:18.380 or like healthcare choice and then the conservatives don't really want to talk about it's like a

00:48:23.200 non-starter they're like oh well i mean but that's just part of our national identity is

00:48:26.920 what we have like universal health care like since when it's not it's recent like how is this part of

00:48:31.920 our fucking identity that's just the americans talk about us that way it's the dumbest thing

00:48:36.420 no no i agree completely so that's why i'm like okay what will people be voting on now polyev

00:48:40.840 and drop a mark against poly of is that if you look at what he's talking about it's just taxes

00:48:48.500 it's acts the tax you want your taxes to go down however here's the opening here's how i think

00:48:54.940 liberals get it if they can find a candidate who's willing to meet us halfway on limiting

00:49:02.400 mass migration not even canceling no deportations no remigration not even stopping the flow entirely

00:49:09.720 but just saying i'm willing to discuss reducing it by 40 they get it because i'm going to tell

00:49:16.100 you right now no conservative will agree that conservatives will do what they always do

00:49:19.840 just like the republicans do see aha look liberals are the real racists we actually

00:49:24.100 wanted more immigrants the other thing we've been saying even before uh before the the liberals put

00:49:31.560 the moratorium on immigration we're already saying that polyev was not going to slow it down

00:49:36.840 because polyev's whole bid is extremely pro-indian and pro big business so he he actually like the

00:49:45.820 thing is the liberals were pro-immigration because they had retarded christia freeland on on on as

00:49:51.460 the minister of finance and she thought that she could gdp her way out of this problem he is going

00:49:56.720 to be behind it because his actual the people funding him need slaves so polyev will pro well

00:50:04.420 his impetus is actually to increase immigration if he can get away with it the liberals could

00:50:09.320 actually go the other way and have so at this moment the liberals are the anti-immigration

00:50:13.780 party they are like they already are so if you're worried about immigration you should you should

00:50:20.860 probably vote for the liberals to be honest with you and that's the thing like that's to me that

00:50:25.260 is the runway to their success if if conservatives once again uh snatch defeat from the jaws of

00:50:32.920 victory yeah so that's my prediction that's the reason why i'd also predicted that we'll see a

00:50:38.280 convergence of america first the bap sphere and the elite human capital people that's just some

00:50:45.020 scene bullshit but i've said that before i'm like there is fundamentally no real issue they disagree

00:50:52.360 on the only one you would think they would is jews but i i see a pathway out of especially the

00:50:59.340 america first people based on their uh choice of candidates in the past that they'll probably say

00:51:04.360 look we're anti-zionist but we like we love our based jews that's the pathway and guess what you

00:51:10.760 also hate zionism but loves based jews uh the bad guys the elite human capital people any any time

00:51:16.840 they can split the good ones from the the fucking the slop you know like the biggest candidate that

00:51:24.080 they ever actually funded and put real energy because the af does almost fucking nothing except

00:51:30.760 suck people's money one of the only candidates they ever put up was laura loomer a jew yeah but

00:51:36.520 this is a jewish zionist by the way a jewish zionist so one of the the and the anti-zionist

00:51:41.480 anti-jewish party party not even a fucking party so an internet group of fags one of the only

00:51:47.780 things they ever did was try to put a jew in congress a jewish woman not even a jewish man

00:51:52.100 a jewish woman give me a break so i will say though i was going to say that one of the only

00:51:56.460 reasons that polyev might get in is because while the liberals pay you know they'll pay their dues

00:52:02.220 to the jews polyev is rabidly zionist he is insanely zionist like he's he's like you know

00:52:09.900 israel flag on his desk you know what you look just like i was just saying it maybe goes a bit

00:52:16.820 too far with them that even the zionists like okay tone it down dial it back don't if you suck

00:52:22.300 our dicks literally in public people are gonna get suspicious i forget her name but like the the

00:52:27.720 weird little shiksa with the hair who's like his little attack dog that he sends everywhere to all 1.00

00:52:33.820 the committees is like this jewish woman and she's always bringing up how fucking jewish she is 1.00

00:52:37.860 and she's just like she's just like a big hair nosy bitch always talking about jewish she is

00:52:44.240 she's just in front of an audience of 1500 people i'm so jewish everyone is just moaning 0.96

00:52:51.860 how jewish are you

00:52:54.540 so she's got to do the shucking and jiving for 20 minutes before he goes on

00:53:02.500 sorry your last thing because we're talking about predictions this is not really prediction but

00:53:06.980 i mean we were worried about the u.s election i remember there's all this hype around

00:53:10.720 the election and it's like oh trump won and then the question now is whether or not we should be

00:53:16.260 or as americans whether they should be uh excited about the possibility and you know jury's out and

00:53:21.900 maybe he will do some of the things he said maybe he won't maybe they're good maybe they're bad

00:53:25.060 but it's not like 100 certain that trump will be bad it's just jury's out for us 100 certainty it

00:53:33.560 does not matter who wins it gets worse before it gets worse there is no way through this there is

00:53:39.100 no political landscape in canada there's no possibility of a good outcome because if the

00:53:44.300 conservatives win we are fucked on labor and housing but if the liberals win we are fucked

00:53:50.780 on labor and housing also let me just throw the jackals some flesh here uh a prediction that

00:53:59.100 not even prediction but a stance that we had that i must walk back uh in the past we have

00:54:05.300 shown a lot of love and appreciation to the AFD in Germany, and it turns out they're not doing too

00:54:13.080 good. And they've named someone Alice Fido, who is quite an interesting character, Claire. This

00:54:18.740 is a person who worked for Goldman Sachs in an interview with Elon Musk recently. She described

00:54:24.320 herself as a libertarian conservative, which didn't go down well with everyone in the party.

00:54:28.820 She also lives with a Sri Lankan woman. Her partner is a Sri Lankan woman, or rather a woman

00:54:34.820 with Sri Lankan roots and they have two children together so not exactly the the the picture that

00:54:41.020 you would maybe expect from a far-right party I look I I want to I do want to cut them some slack 0.91

00:54:46.840 their leader is a weird fucking lesbian and there's all kinds of dumb shit going on there but

00:54:50.080 and I don't I'm not an expert on them but the the youth wing and a lot of what's been going on

00:54:55.600 grassroots with the AFD is totally different than their elite membership so I think there's it's

00:55:02.360 we're a long way away from the AFD being a bought and sold party.

00:55:05.840 I think they could still flip the leadership and make something out of

00:55:08.720 themselves,

00:55:09.040 but yeah,

00:55:09.280 it doesn't look good right now.

00:55:10.240 It doesn't.

00:55:10.700 Yeah.

00:55:11.080 I'm going to like read dial and read jigger the endorsement and say

00:55:14.740 whatever Martin Selner is doing.

00:55:17.520 I probably like,

00:55:19.200 yeah,

00:55:19.300 I don't know exactly what he's doing,

00:55:20.720 but probably I like that.

00:55:22.900 They got guys out there mailing deportation tickets to all families with

00:55:27.920 Arab last names.

00:55:29.200 Yeah.

00:55:29.860 But also they have a,

00:55:31.760 they have a gay illegal immigrant as their yeah yeah yeah a gay with like an illegal immigrant

00:55:37.160 wife and i did an actual spit take i just didn't know that i'm like how the lovely thing about the

00:55:43.380 youth wing of the afd or any youth wing is that they're not really democratic politics it's just

00:55:47.820 politics politics like it's activism and sometimes that becomes violence and sometimes that becomes

00:55:52.620 rallies and whatever but it's real and it works and then of course as soon as it becomes a political

00:55:57.540 party if you're going to play political games you literally can't do it in europe unless you have

00:56:02.000 a gay woman with an illegal immigrant wife like you can't even get in but so the question then is

00:56:07.060 why bother and that same thing with the people's party of canada the ppc you know we like maxine

00:56:11.960 but you look at the leadership and all their writings and it's all like brown ladies and you

00:56:16.740 just look even if you're not expressing it outwardly you do think to yourself really like

00:56:22.840 you you you must you must do this yeah it's impossible that you couldn't do this like if

00:56:29.800 if if it was just white people people would notice but they wouldn't be surprised they say

00:56:34.580 oh yeah of course the people's part of canada is just all white men and women sure i'll let you

00:56:39.320 have women but you did you need to get some mollies who've been here for a year and a half

00:56:45.460 you didn't need to who are you impressing who are you who's this for there's no way they're the best

00:56:51.300 it's just that it's the nature of the system like it's yeah i mean i'm to me it's almost like magic

00:56:55.640 at this point i don't even try to explain it but like it's a pattern that is true 100 of the time

00:57:00.980 as soon as you start the more that they get involved in the democratic system it doesn't

00:57:04.840 matter what their stated principles are it always turns into this so like and it's almost laughable

00:57:09.680 now that people especially grown fucking men would look at any any any attempt at being involved in

00:57:17.080 democratic politics and be like oh it's gonna be different this time you guys oh it's me

00:57:22.440 voting romano democratic romano oh it's me voting romano oh ma ma i'm gonna i gotta go vote mom

00:57:35.120 oh ma i gotta stop raping to go vote

00:57:39.960 i was getting my dick bloody i gotta i gotta go vote

00:57:49.420 raymond who are you voting for rape romano i'm voting for rape romano

00:57:58.300 i gotta go the polls are closing

00:58:08.700 oh and oh look he's got his jacket on backwards yeah he's just rolling the credits is the b-roll

00:58:18.660 of him with a bloody dick at the polling booth and his jacket on backwards

00:58:22.260 we really we know one guy don't we we know

00:58:31.860 name an actor uh ray romano uh name another actor uh ray romano as fraser fuck

00:58:42.140 um so we have other predictions here by the way submissions westwood leading the pack

00:58:52.100 these will be the happenings of 2025 let's see what you think about these

00:58:57.340 Myanmar's civil war will end establishing a Shan state.

00:59:02.340 I don't know what most of those words mean.

00:59:05.520 Something's going on.

00:59:06.260 You'd have to tell me what's going on, Myanmar.

00:59:08.040 What is Shan?

00:59:09.180 Burma.

00:59:09.520 They've been doing a sweet little civil war over there for two years, a couple of years.

00:59:14.920 The country we used to call Burma, which has for the last four years, been ripped apart by civil war.

00:59:21.760 Since the start of the conflict, more than three million people have been displaced.

00:59:26.140 tens of thousands have died and half population is living in poverty well now the military regime

00:59:34.320 which sees power in a coup is on the defensive in large swathes of the country as rebel forces

00:59:39.320 advance but yeah they've been doing that to be fair they do that every couple of years for like

00:59:43.840 the past 40 years yeah i thought i thought we already we did this already no no they're doing

00:59:49.260 it over and over and over and over and over this this war is becoming a bit uncivil at this point

00:59:55.340 I mean, that was part of the, what is it, the French-Indo-China War, whatever, like the pre-Vietnam, like at least since the end of the Chinese Cultural Revolution, it's been happening.

01:00:09.040 It was pre-Vietnam.

01:00:10.880 Pre-Vietnam? No.

01:00:13.680 I won't follow you there.

01:00:15.180 You won't go with me?

01:00:16.940 To pre-Vietnam?

01:00:18.080 One last time into the breach?

01:00:20.380 okay so dprk soldiers will take odessa that is the north korean uh soldiers currently

01:00:31.820 fighting in russia i heard about those and then i uh stopped paying attention

01:00:36.640 the soldiers providing a rare glimpse into how north korean troops are fighting with

01:00:42.400 russian forces in kursk where u.s officials say they're taking heavy losses i i don't know about

01:00:49.260 odessa odessa seems maybe i guess that's close to the border with crimea right maybe they will

01:00:56.020 who knows yeah it's a pretty big city but i mean i don't think i don't think the war will last that

01:01:00.160 long to be honest i think trump may it does actually have a good chance of ending it because

01:01:04.000 the only reason that war is even happening is look i'll put it this way if trump wanted to end

01:01:08.740 the war he can end it in like 15 fucking minutes by just not sending them any more fucking bullets

01:01:12.640 so it's just whether or not he wants to

01:01:14.740 I think if you're an openly

01:01:17.340 pro-war president

01:01:18.880 you chill the war

01:01:21.480 like the way to be actually pro-war

01:01:23.460 is to be anti-war but fund the war

01:01:25.500 if you stop funding the war

01:01:27.340 and just start saying how much you like war

01:01:29.520 I think it stops

01:01:30.880 because like wait why does this guy

01:01:33.520 want war so much what does he know

01:01:34.960 this is more of a sponsored by

01:01:36.540 the shadow government

01:01:37.840 I hope Trump

01:01:41.200 You know, I've read Art of the Deal.

01:01:43.300 I've read Art of the Comeback.

01:01:44.660 I really would like to see him address the nation more

01:01:47.220 while holding cards close to his chest, like on camera.

01:01:51.300 So you're like, what's his hand?

01:01:53.800 And he just keeps looking at it and smiling to himself.

01:01:56.700 And like, is that his teller?

01:01:57.720 Does he know?

01:01:58.720 He's licking his lips.

01:02:00.500 He's making the faces he makes all the time.

01:02:02.660 I don't know which one is the teller.

01:02:05.620 Here we go.

01:02:06.700 Syria will split into three states.

01:02:09.960 Believable.

01:02:11.200 Already has, de facto.

01:02:13.340 If you count Israel as one of those states, yes.

01:02:15.720 Yeah.

01:02:19.000 Yes.

01:02:20.360 Jordan will join the Gaza War either because of an Israeli attack or on their own accord.

01:02:27.480 Maybe.

01:02:28.000 See, I was under the understanding that Jordan's government was kind of an Israeli puppet that set that up quite a while ago.

01:02:36.300 Not that long ago.

01:02:37.420 And like at the cost of many Jewish lives.

01:02:40.680 so that i find that to be unlikely so maybe if he just removed because of an israeli attack and

01:02:48.080 said jordan will enter the gaza war i'm saying like jordan jordan is israel like jordan is

01:02:52.600 that's what i'm saying like they then they will enter but on the side of israel oh on the side

01:02:56.600 of israel yeah maybe yeah maybe um so that's true because he doesn't he doesn't say i guess it would

01:03:03.380 just be kind of weird to see jordan join on the israeli side but them joining on the jewish side

01:03:08.420 is more believable to me than them joining on the Gazans side.

01:03:13.140 Serbia will have regime change.

01:03:15.520 That's somewhat nebulous, I think.

01:03:17.200 Yeah, I mean.

01:03:18.800 I mean, there's a lot of ways regimes can change.

01:03:22.280 Australia will pivot to China again.

01:03:25.360 I'm not sure about that one.

01:03:26.680 Predictable.

01:03:27.720 Do you think that's likely?

01:03:28.860 What do you think?

01:03:30.000 And what do you mean by pivot, I suppose?

01:03:31.360 In the same sense that Canada will continue pivoting to China,

01:03:36.080 yeah, we will.

01:03:36.560 because we're tiny countries that are in their sphere of influence and unless somebody puts a

01:03:41.160 fucking gun on the table it will continue happening until there's nothing left of us so yes not only

01:03:45.880 australia but new zealand and canada as well which is why trump said what he said concerning

01:03:51.700 american annexation i really hope that that's what it is i want to believe that that's what it is i

01:03:57.620 and i'm yeah i really hope that that's what it is because and you know what fair because we have a

01:04:03.500 serious serious problem with chinese infiltration in our government like we are desperate right now

01:04:07.940 this is something i'd like to address in the future in a panel discussion i'm trying to set

01:04:12.200 up but i'll just state my side now that uh trump's comment about annexing uh anna isn't really just a

01:04:19.660 trump thing this is part of a conversation that's been happening and really a negotiation for many

01:04:25.300 many decades this is the reason and i credit the laughing man of sunflower society for forwarding

01:04:30.620 this to me but like this is the reason norad exists that canada has always been grilled by

01:04:38.020 america for not keeping up its end of the defensive bargain that we're not doing our

01:04:43.240 fair share and principally in the area of arctic sovereignty now if you're canadian you've heard

01:04:48.280 the term arctic sovereignty a lot i'm sure basically it's the ability for us to defend

01:04:52.600 our arctic borders from russia china whoever because that is valuable territory so to me

01:05:00.220 all the commentary from trump saying that oh we can wage economic war uh if canada is going to

01:05:05.480 keep fucking around like this like that doesn't make me happy i'm not against canadian sovereignty

01:05:10.720 however i just see this as an extension of this same thing that's been happening before trump and

01:05:16.400 will continue after trump which is do you have uh the china problem under control the answer is

01:05:22.920 no do you have the russia problem under control concerning you know incursions into your space

01:05:28.040 The answer is no. So what is to be done? Of the five eyes intelligence agencies, ours have been the most lackadaisical and the most infiltrated by the Chinese Communist Party. We're not doing a good job if we're being honest. Now, what I hope that commentary would inspire is us to look at ourselves and say, what are we doing about manufacturing sovereignty? What are we doing about our defense spending? What are we doing about securing our borders? What are we doing about these problems?

01:05:55.320 my concern is that we're not even talking about that once again canate the canadian system has

01:06:01.480 framed this as trump is a bully it's like no no you know what sure but he kind of has a fucking

01:06:06.780 point he does and this is this is a long time i don't think it's fair to say like oh we don't

01:06:11.420 actually have we don't have to fear threats to our sovereignty from trump he's just remind he's

01:06:17.220 giving us a friendly reminder of the chinese problem no we do legitimately have to fear

01:06:21.740 threats from the americans just the reason that we have to fear those threats is because the equal

01:06:26.820 possibly larger threat from the chinese we have to fear both at once it's going to be one or the

01:06:31.340 other of them seriously if we don't get our act together there's very little that we can do about

01:06:34.860 it aside from things that will give it put us in hot water if we say them on a podcast so but like

01:06:41.240 things something needs to be done or we are actually going to lose our nation to one of

01:06:47.280 those two parties at the very least i will accept an admission that these problems exist let's start

01:06:54.420 there on a national scale let's say that maybe there's a point that we have some responsibilities

01:06:59.780 militarily that we're not upholding and we've dropped the ball in terms of china and maybe

01:07:04.320 even russia and i know we don't like hearing about russia i'm not talking from an ideological

01:07:09.140 standpoint i'm talking from just straight offensive realism neorealism we're talking

01:07:13.140 geopolitics we're talking about if there is a weak point it will be exploited by somebody

01:07:19.220 and who will it be it's either good and america's saying hey we haven't been exploiting you

01:07:23.740 you're clearly being exploited by someone would you like for us to exploit you because it doesn't

01:07:30.060 seem that you have anything to do or say against chinese exploitation or whatever the fuck is

01:07:35.620 going on with india next prediction egypt will collapse i thought this is what a collapsed

01:07:40.940 nation looks like uh yeah i mean they're not doing well they're they're kind of in the in the

01:07:46.220 shitter they've only had like 60 70 years of quote-unquote democratic era rule you know they

01:07:51.260 were ruled by like a fucking albanian empire or something even in the i think the late 50s so

01:07:58.460 how could you collapse any further i ask oh i mean he can give them the uh they can go further

01:08:06.360 they can go further i would say because like they're they're north african but they're not

01:08:10.680 african african meaning if it was an african collapse they would just start raping and eating

01:08:16.220 each other but because i see them as more arabic in nature i'm like no you're just sort of like

01:08:21.720 like bees like you've got these if you've seen egypt a lot of people think of the the pyramids

01:08:29.600 of course the sphinx of course no look at the city it's just like beige cubes like it's just

01:08:35.300 one big favela it's a slum but at least they have a slum and not a crater like libya or tunisia

01:08:41.380 and it could easily just become a crater there's no reason okay the full collapse would just be

01:08:47.520 thermonuclear death well what i mean it's like libya like 20 years ago libya was that libya was

01:08:53.360 poor slums but they did have rice and children and now they have skeletons of children and

01:08:59.460 and scorch marks in sand right so that is that's the where egypt could could go i don't know if it

01:09:07.140 will i don't know what's the news in egypt is it getting worse probably right maybe it's just a

01:09:12.100 general prediction of collapse like it seems like it's going to collapse you can feel the shit why

01:09:17.060 not everybody everything's look i would not fault egypt for just falling apart fuck everything's

01:09:22.480 falling apart they're on they're hanging by a thread bless them the poor egyptians i don't

01:09:27.840 who would hate an egyptian give him a break that's a good question who would hate an egyptian

01:09:33.920 dare we oh shit are we gonna make a list like could we dare we hate egyptians let's pretend

01:09:43.960 for a moment we are cypriots and we hate egyptians a different type of romanian you're

01:09:48.940 trying to sell me you know what it is like that actually yeah okay by the way the romanians just

01:09:54.660 rejected the eu rejecting their extremely based election so i'm surprised that mr bulgar didn't

01:10:02.480 that that's right on his doorstep he didn't include that that was interesting maybe he's in

01:10:06.920 the pocket of medium-sized romanian maybe maybe maybe maybe he created these to distract us

01:10:15.840 from the romanian plot which he may very well be a part of they share a huge i think that's

01:10:20.780 their largest land border you can't be in the pocket of big romanian you can't be the pocket

01:10:25.740 of medium-sized romanian and big coat yeah he and even he's he's in the waistcoat left pocket of

01:10:33.600 medium serbia of because he's talking about the serbian coup but even even then he he sold them

01:10:39.260 out there's there's so much european politics is wild there's just pockets all over the place

01:10:43.600 He sits in the pocket and says, oh, it's just

01:10:45.320 kielbasa slices.

01:10:49.160 Oh, no.

01:10:53.540 Oh, no.

01:10:55.080 We have some more.

01:10:57.480 Okay. Got one from

01:10:59.020 Monkey. We got two monkeys

01:11:01.100 in our community, if you can believe it.

01:11:02.760 I don't know what to do about that.

01:11:03.860 Putin declares war and as a demonstration

01:11:06.680 of his power, uses

01:11:08.340 hypersonic missiles to destroy his

01:11:10.640 own capital city,

01:11:11.960 collected with seeds to his demand

01:11:14.880 to install Rudyard Lolkow

01:11:16.620 the first god emperor

01:11:17.800 that's not good

01:11:19.500 100% going to happen

01:11:22.860 yeah because

01:11:23.940 one of the rules I go by is the longer

01:11:26.660 the prediction the more likely it is

01:11:28.560 the more detail

01:11:29.880 this is a pretty detailed one

01:11:31.520 I like that he didn't know Rudyard's last name

01:11:34.600 we're talking about what if Altist of course

01:11:36.480 he is just Rudyard Lolkow

01:11:38.200 he just spelt it wrong

01:11:40.020 but yeah his last name is lolcow

01:11:42.260 so yeah

01:11:44.260 okay

01:11:44.620 geopolitical suicide

01:11:47.240 Rudyard given crown of

01:11:49.960 I guess the eastern orthodoxy

01:11:53.100 what do they have

01:11:55.840 they got some kind of eastern orthodox pope

01:11:57.540 some kind of

01:12:00.040 extremely long bearded pope

01:12:02.140 I don't think Rudyard can grow a beard that long

01:12:06.340 oh man

01:12:07.960 that's another thing you gotta

01:12:09.740 watch out for these people with the 0.81

01:12:11.520 rotten physiognomy what is their

01:12:13.600 beard growth like

01:12:15.140 I'm not talking right out the gate I'm not talking

01:12:17.680 about first blush just where

01:12:19.660 the hair comes in but if you

01:12:21.640 can't grow hair on

01:12:23.700 the sides you can only grow goatee

01:12:25.720 or you can only grow a beard

01:12:27.740 without the mustache part

01:12:29.120 man brother

01:12:31.420 you're

01:12:33.460 you're going into a

01:12:35.580 tub of poison

01:12:36.920 yeah

01:12:38.380 brother i'm locking you in a tub of poison we got a couple more here from self-defense mail bomb

01:12:46.780 a good set here alex jones comes out as trans that's an easy one what do you think okay easy

01:12:54.700 one yes or no because yeah yes that's what i thought you know what have you seen him recently

01:12:59.780 uh no he lost a shocking amount of weight unless i was looking at a photoshop

01:13:07.900 it's the hormones i gotta find an image of him recently to know if i'm seeing the right thing

01:13:12.740 the word was that he got an ozempic or something yeah i can believe that drugs yeah because

01:13:21.080 basically this guy has been on a bender for the better part of like four years at this point

01:13:25.360 and a lot of his debauchery i think was based on that like he's showing up on blair white's show

01:13:31.520 and the tranny shows and flirting around but like you know what if you're just that deep

01:13:36.900 into like pills and booze like i think you do just become a degenerate so if he's off that

01:13:42.380 then sure maybe he can turn it around but then he would never come out as trans if he is still

01:13:50.040 on that bender probably he will come out as trans though that's almost inevitable yep um 0.93

01:13:56.300 biden activates the water purifier despite kamala being canonically immune to radiation

01:14:01.980 i don't even know what this means but i want to say it's true just so we can dig into it

01:14:08.100 yeah but at a later date yeah remember my the floating policy is blood salad is i believe it

01:14:14.700 all yeah we are sort of the inverse of the paranormal is where every everything is fake

01:14:20.340 and gay no everything is real everything you've ever heard on here is real yeah including spinal

01:14:25.740 catastrophism and time cube by an ugly

01:14:30.320 war paper despite the canonical

01:14:31.780 radiation total Walmart victory in the

01:14:35.640 Israeli Hamas war now that sounds almost

01:14:39.480 political that almost sounds like a

01:14:41.340 serious point if you know no do you

01:14:45.520 think they'll allow a Walmart in

01:14:47.580 Palestine there's gonna be at least one

01:14:51.300 have you not seen the plans they've got

01:14:54.660 it all plotted out not just just between us coming are you fucking with me or is there a

01:15:01.620 palestine walmart that they're working on look i mean look okay you know joking aside because

01:15:07.140 joking about the last one but they already do have a bunch of plans kind of like they did with

01:15:11.880 hawaii and now la to pave over like the jews do it to pave over gaza and create like another tel

01:15:18.840 aviv like luxury condos in the works so walmart in spirit but i guarantee you within a couple of

01:15:26.420 years there will be big flashy shopping malls that are closed on the sabbath in gaza you're

01:15:34.840 gonna walk into palestine and the first thing you see is a big korean ass you know what it might be

01:15:41.160 uh more on on point would be a costco oh that sounds nice yeah i i would prefer that i'd go

01:15:49.380 to palestine for that yeah you go to palestine for costco yeah so i can it's not it's greater

01:15:54.700 israel by the way it's greater israel um that is like a jew move to say greater israel and you

01:16:01.000 don't have a great israel you just fucking glow up yeah that's yeah yeah yeah because it's like

01:16:06.980 greater israel implies the existence of great israel we all know that's not true so now what

01:16:13.400 do you show you're trying to trick me here do you think any country could get away with calling

01:16:18.000 themselves great like great britain like could people just refuse to go along with that do you

01:16:23.980 there are no there are no substitutes there's there is only great britain i think israel would

01:16:30.960 try it i think they would try for great great israel you know what though you get yourself

01:16:35.080 in a trap because to have greater israel you had to have great israel so that's implied but then if

01:16:40.280 we accept that there's great in israel that implies lesser israel and then we have to somebody's got

01:16:45.680 to go find lesser israel and they're not going to like that so that's probably why they don't want

01:16:48.760 to draw attention to this quandary well lesser israel would be new york state

01:16:53.080 you're right you're right by the way just let people know i was going into google and looking

01:17:02.540 up palestine walmart and one came up and i got really jazzed but it's the walmart super center

01:17:09.360 in palestine texas yeah there's it's weird how there's palestines all over the place hey man

01:17:15.540 you gotta change the name of that town yeah you don't want to be living in palestine it's a greater

01:17:20.360 israel you're wondering where all the state funding is gone why why is no one giving us

01:17:25.240 money anymore yeah because they're taking it out on you change it to greater is i mean kiev call it

01:17:31.700 kiev here this is a joke one obviously but maybe there's some meat on these bones black

01:17:39.100 reparations but they give us our bicycles back i'd like black reparations i used to say that

01:17:46.980 just because i wanted black people to be upset you said but though so i think what he means is

01:17:51.260 we give money to them and in return we get our bikes back oh i thought that the black reparations

01:17:57.240 was black people give us no you and i are so pilled kilos of pills we're so pilled that when

01:18:04.760 we hear black reparations we just assume it's them paying us back obviously you want us to pay

01:18:10.440 you more no no reparations it only goes one way obviously we don't know you shit obviously come

01:18:17.180 on what are we talking about it you guys aren't serious right how do you mount a case for black

01:18:23.200 you think you have you looked around to me it's like fucking jeff downy like to america's blacks

01:18:30.020 um so that covers the spread of predictions for this coming year uh we got some good ones

01:18:40.760 we got some locks as like to call them place your bets now try to think if there's anything

01:18:46.700 else i think is gonna happen i think that people are gonna get wise to boston dynamics

01:18:53.080 what do you mean i don't think boston this is what i've been hearing from people because i've

01:18:58.700 i would see these videos from boston dynamics about their robots and there's always something

01:19:03.480 a little bit off about them and i'm always seeing like these tech demos that never lead to anything

01:19:07.580 in the the practical sector but people are saying like oh they're just like they're regular robots

01:19:12.360 there's someone behind the scenes controlling them it's actually just a big they're more

01:19:16.540 interested in creating these videos that hype them up but they don't actually mean the big the big

01:19:20.600 atlas ones right yeah i guess yeah i don't well look i this is this is something that i follow a

01:19:26.640 little bit the atlas robot it's kind of like elon musk saying that he's going to send a rocket to

01:19:31.500 mars because the rocket to mars is sexier than a than a a lunar orbiter but we need a lunar

01:19:37.460 orbiter but nobody's going to pay for it so you send a rocket to mars or you attempt to and in

01:19:40.820 the doing you get the funding and the technology to do the thing you actually need to do which is

01:19:44.440 boring so the robot dog big dog and small dog or whatever they call it those are the actual products

01:19:50.300 those are in use they have they're out there in the millions and those were developed with the

01:19:54.860 technology that came from the program where they developed the atlas robots and the atlas robot

01:19:58.720 they're on like version 7 right now and the technology there they were pioneers of that

01:20:04.040 and all of these new robots like tesla's robots and figure ai and all these other robots are

01:20:09.440 largely based on the technology and the studies that were done by by mit and by boston dynamic

01:20:18.640 dynamics so did boston dynamics ever create like you know you know rosie the robot doing your

01:20:25.620 dishes and did atlas ever do that no and it probably never will but the existence of atlas

01:20:30.280 is part of the reason that we have other robotic systems in a commercial space today and that's

01:20:36.160 that's increasing rapidly by the way like the like humanoid robotics has made insane strides in the

01:20:41.220 past 24 months that strides what strides no no no i said i said ha strides because like they're

01:20:48.280 running that's because you and you kick them and they don't fall over yeah it's terrifying actually

01:20:51.760 no no one can figure out what to do in confronted with the robot aside from like bully it and shove

01:20:55.840 it over and like fucking piss on it but you also got to remember boston dynamics is essentially a

01:21:00.480 spinoff from darpa it's not a real company in any real sense it's like it's essentially like a

01:21:06.460 little it's the little angler fish dangly bit off of the state it's not a real in my opinion

01:21:12.880 anyways it's not a real company it's just how they try to introduce their weird defense projects

01:21:19.320 into the commercial space so you know what you've sold me on boston dynamics being real

01:21:25.920 but real shady real oh they're shady as fuck dude they don't the thing they don't need money

01:21:30.960 they can keep doing this forever they because they're they essentially have like funding from

01:21:34.200 the dod so yeah so moving on before we get to the book i want to talk about i just wanted to let

01:21:40.500 you know there's a new episode of real secret coffee hours our paywall show up on gumroad and

01:21:46.120 patreon uh this one was a real fun one i one of the things we talked about on the live stream

01:21:52.960 the one where we ended up talking about what if altist we're going on a rant about uh the the

01:22:00.000 real in my opinion real grifting that occurs in this space and i i stumbled across an example of

01:22:06.000 one a lower tier one but uh through my reading of this blog i discovered a self-help you know

01:22:14.240 masculinity grift a new academy a coaching thing as it were and so follow me on the journey into

01:22:21.740 uncovering that also on the paywall i've started a secondary series that's again uploading every

01:22:30.080 week but just on a different day uh movie corner so if you like movie corner uh subscribe to the

01:22:37.600 paywall now i was actually going to talk about a film today but we kind of ran out of time so i'll

01:22:42.680 do it next time um but for this will be the home for the movie reviews that i never would have

01:22:50.060 discussed in the show anyway so i see a lot of films have things to say about them but it wouldn't

01:22:55.700 make sense they're not like important enough or relevant enough to bring to this show but then

01:22:59.760 they have a home over here so if you like the movie corner discussion of films like you've seen

01:23:05.320 on the show before go over there five dollars a month um and i have an interview coming up

01:23:11.020 it might be releasing next week or the week after but i was on uh benjamin boyce's show

01:23:16.900 speaking of the documentary the short film that i worked on with a team of people in our space

01:23:24.180 titled paving over the public you can find that on youtube good suffer productions is the name

01:23:31.100 of the channel with a v for the u and suffer uh and then you can also find that on telegram it's

01:23:37.360 on my x page as well so i'll be talking i'm going on a little mini podcast tour in the next coming

01:23:43.600 weeks going on several large shows discussing the film that's the main topic i'll be taking around so

01:23:49.960 if you see me popping up on peak kiones and a couple other places that's what's going on there

01:23:55.460 um i i had a couple things i was going to talk about we'll bump them to the next episode because

01:24:00.700 i really wanted to talk about this book this was one of the most recommended books we've received

01:24:05.940 i've been getting around to a lot of books that people have been sending me and requesting that

01:24:11.240 we read and once i wanted to read but just for one reason or another got pushed back

01:24:15.080 uh this one is titled programmed to kill have you heard about this book before no i have not

01:24:22.740 this is a book that if you were ever looking at a reading list from the alt-right decision right

01:24:30.400 just kind of like weird internet stuff uh this was always in there this one and the one we'll

01:24:35.600 be talking about next time next episode which is eye of the chicken hawk and both of those are

01:24:40.020 related but this book was written by david mcgowan uh david mcgowan who also wrote a book that we

01:24:46.260 covered many many episodes ago a weird scenes from the canyon about the involvement of the cia

01:24:52.880 in the hippie scene in the 60s and and both these books are pretty they're pretty well related

01:24:58.900 um there's a lot of overlap because they both concern uh government conspiracies in various

01:25:05.400 capacities but program to kill um there's some parts of it i disagree with some of the examples

01:25:12.900 i'm not sure fit with the rest um i'd say it's told in this sort of a rambling fashion it jumps

01:25:19.340 around a bit but the headline is this and i do agree with this that there is a interplay between

01:25:28.980 the government the cia and experiments like mk ultra into utilizing trauma to create

01:25:38.380 killers basically there's interplay between that and the rise of serial killers in the 60s and 70s

01:25:46.440 and 80s and there's also a connection to those experiments in generating trauma with a lot of

01:25:54.540 these child rape sects cults syndicates whatever you want to call them because one of the main

01:26:03.240 ways you would create a serial killer is or a serial killer or a murder is with sexual abuse

01:26:09.240 kind of fracturing their relationship with authority and loving family to create these

01:26:15.680 agents that can be manipulated so it's drawing parallels between a lot of these

01:26:21.040 Some of the examples I disagree with.

01:26:22.460 However, there's one thing that it establishes

01:26:24.520 that I found very, very fascinating.

01:26:26.600 And if there's one takeaway from the book,

01:26:27.920 it would be this.

01:26:29.120 It's that the entire idea of serial killer

01:26:34.580 is up in the air.

01:26:36.660 And it's challenging the very idea

01:26:38.720 that there is such a thing as a serial killer profile.

01:26:43.020 Now, first of all, do you have any thoughts on that?

01:26:45.120 What do you think about serial killers?

01:26:46.540 Just based on what I said, does any of that track?

01:26:50.340 uh yeah yeah i mean i i don't know that much about the topic but it sounds right well because

01:26:57.020 one of the claims made in the book and this was just something i'd considered recently because

01:27:01.820 i'd heard other accounts of this was that a lot of uh cases that were pinned to individual serial

01:27:08.940 killers ended up being a team working together right a famous one would be the zodiac killer

01:27:15.480 right a lot of people would assume that zoe killer was one person and we automatically believe that

01:27:21.580 these killings must be committed by one person right but then someone just floated the idea well

01:27:25.920 what if it was just two people that blows the whole fucking thing wide open because they have

01:27:30.740 this conflicting evidence that maybe shoe prints don't match it's like hey here's an idea what if

01:27:36.000 it just wasn't one guy if it was just two people now you don't need the shoes to match and maybe

01:27:41.340 the two top suspects you had both who if you can prove they knew each other boom there you go um

01:27:47.960 one famous case was john wayne gacy if people remember john wayne gacy if you're a weird kid

01:27:54.500 if look i'm a white guy i'm a white millennial so we've just been inundated with serial killer

01:28:00.640 stories for most of our lives there's always been shows and movies and if you're into the early

01:28:05.400 internet there's all kinds of lurid details about serial killers right um and even now how many

01:28:10.640 John Wayne Gacy was a businessman and politician.

01:28:32.200 To everyone around him, he was a sweet and charming man.

01:28:35.020 No one in his life could have guessed that he dressed up like Pogo the Clown and murdered

01:28:38.800 teenage boys after dark.

01:28:40.700 The Chicago Police Department found 27 bodies buried in his basement.

01:28:44.260 They knew that his Kill Clown was at least 33 and there could be more victims that were

01:28:49.560 simply never found.

01:28:51.320 This story became front page news and immediately captivated the nation.

01:28:55.300 and so here's a guy kidnapping young men and sexually abusing them and burying them there

01:29:02.240 and one aspect of the case that's never brought up but he maintained viciously up until the day

01:29:10.920 he died was that he did not work alone and that you know up to half a dozen people had keys to

01:29:16.840 his house and him and many others were always telling stories about how no gacy was just part

01:29:22.400 of a facilitator of this larger group that was like kidnapping people and torturing them and

01:29:28.880 killing them for reasons beyond just sexual compulsion because sorry to do did you see

01:29:35.280 flesh simulators documentary on this like a couple a couple months ago because he pulled he was

01:29:40.540 claiming that he this may have been one of the first times that somebody has pulled all of this

01:29:44.000 together but he was talking about that fact that a lot of other people had had the keys and then

01:29:48.260 not only did a lot of the other people who had keys were known rapists and serial killers who

01:29:53.060 themselves did time but a handful of them were people who inexplicably never did any time and

01:29:59.200 were tied to chiefs of police and congressmen and then died of old age and that it is very possible

01:30:06.780 that if anything John Wayne Gacy was actually the fall guy he was one of the first fall guys before

01:30:11.520 the whole thing started to collapse that is the story that he was the fall guy and he wouldn't be

01:30:15.700 the first one and that really challenges the entire idea of a profile because the profile

01:30:21.500 of a serial killer is that they work alone of course they work alone because they're so

01:30:26.440 individualized to their fetish of killing that it would never occur to them to work

01:30:30.720 i don't know with a partner but there actually are cases in the past of um henry lee lucas was

01:30:37.020 the famous example given in this where it's like he's one of the most prolific serial killers

01:30:40.440 um in in in history and after his release lucas met otis tool in florida the two became lovers

01:30:50.380 and went on a spree of robbery and murder yeah he had a partner so what does that do to your profile

01:30:57.700 right and why why why is there no discussion of serial killer teams that actually seems like it

01:31:05.320 would make much more sense it would be easier to kidnap people would it not and we accept that

01:31:10.240 there would be syndicates and teams when it comes to sex trafficking especially child sex trafficking

01:31:14.540 rarely do they work just alone usually they're part of some kind of group right so

01:31:19.540 why would it also not apply to this and also there's a lot of overlap between killings and

01:31:24.260 pedophilia but i'll just start there's a lot to get to here um and i'm going to skip around a

01:31:30.360 little bit but there's a lot of really great examples so it starts with an intimate case

01:31:35.820 infamous case of a guy named Mark Dutroux. What he did is incomprehensible. He kidnapped children,

01:31:43.420 locked them in a dungeon, raped and tortured them, then killed them. Some were left to starve to

01:31:49.380 death. Others were buried alive. Only two survived. Now Dutroux has finally been found guilty and

01:31:56.660 sentenced to life for his crimes. But that still doesn't answer these questions. Why was the police

01:32:02.380 investigation such a debacle and how many more people important people were involved in this evil

01:32:08.820 plot questions which still haunt those two survivors and i was talking about this guy

01:32:15.340 recently i forget where i was doing maybe he was even on the show um i'll just give him the story

01:32:20.360 detrue convicted along with his wife in 1989 for the rape and violent abuse of five young girls

01:32:26.640 the youngest of whom was just 11 now stands accused of being a key player in an international

01:32:31.660 child prostitution and pornography ring whose practices included kidnapping, rape, sadistic

01:32:36.760 torture, and murder.

01:32:38.540 Dutroux was sentenced in 1989 to 13 years for his crimes, but was freed after having served

01:32:44.240 just three.

01:32:45.700 Shortly after Dutroux's release, young girls began to disappear in the vicinity of some

01:32:49.880 of his homes.

01:32:50.880 Though technically unemployed and drawing welfare from the state, he nevertheless owned

01:32:55.840 six houses and lived quite lavishly.

01:32:58.120 his rather lucrative income appears to have been derived from trading in child sex slaves child

01:33:03.380 prostitution and child pornography police did search one of his homes on no less than three

01:33:08.680 separate occasions over the course of the investigation on at least two occasions

01:33:12.540 two of the missing girls were imprisoned in a custom-built place in his basement a dungeon in

01:33:18.680 his basement but apparently these searches came up empty it was not until august 13 1996 four years

01:33:26.260 after the disappearances began that authorities

01:33:28.380 arrested Dutroux along with his wife

01:33:30.220 who was an elementary school teacher

01:33:32.660 a lodger

01:33:34.320 a policeman and a man the Guardian

01:33:36.100 described as an associate with political

01:33:38.320 connections elsewhere identified

01:33:40.360 as Jean-Michel Nuhu a Brussels

01:33:42.280 businessman and nightclub

01:33:44.400 owner so you start to see when you talk

01:33:46.420 about Mark Dutroux the story is

01:33:48.440 here's this fucking loner weirdo

01:33:50.620 who is just kidnapping girls but the moment

01:33:52.460 you start pulling on this thread you see that

01:33:54.440 he was part of a crew he was just one member of this team that was kidnapping people and he was

01:33:58.680 keeping these girls in his dungeon and usually sending them elsewhere like he was involved in

01:34:03.860 so many kidnappings that couldn't find the bodies and you would hear stories about this guy is

01:34:08.220 suspected of killing 50 girls but they only found 10 we just haven't found the graves yet yet you

01:34:14.420 can't find the graves because you know he kidnapped them and you don't know where they went after that

01:34:18.940 they probably went overseas and that a lot of these serial killers are in fact just facilitators

01:34:24.860 or mules for human traffic that's the claim made in this book and i for what it's worth i believe

01:34:32.140 that i think that's really maybe not all of them to say that there's no such thing as a man who

01:34:36.720 kills for sexual reasons i don't accept that i don't accept that everything like you know

01:34:40.980 ho jeffrey dahmer that it probably is what he said like i think in the book he tried to rope

01:34:47.160 in ted bundy like his ted but i'm like no no i think ted bundy was just a guy who liked to

01:34:52.420 rape and beat up women because that's all he did you know like he didn't kidnap them

01:34:57.140 and like torture them in a basement or keep it he's just no he just he was a a man running

01:35:02.740 through the streets and raping you you'll still have that okay so it's easy to go a bit too far

01:35:07.980 with these theories but so he says if the mark de drew case were some kind of aberration it would

01:35:12.720 still be a disturbing story for the level of unspeakable corruption and depravity of the

01:35:17.720 Belgian political and law enforcement establishment of which it speaks. Far more disturbing is the

01:35:23.200 fact that it does not appear to be an isolated case at all. As 1999 drew to a close, the nation

01:35:29.240 of Latvia was rocked by a child prostitution, child pornography scandal that reached to the

01:35:33.760 very top of the political power structure. The case first broke in August when police

01:35:38.400 uncovered a massive operation involving

01:35:40.300 as many as 2,000

01:35:41.940 severely abused children. When

01:35:44.140 media reports began linking top

01:35:45.880 Latvian officials to the case, a special

01:35:48.360 parliamentary commission was assembled to

01:35:50.160 investigate the emerging allegations.

01:35:52.480 On November 27,

01:35:54.200 2002, The Guardian

01:35:56.040 reported that many among Portugal's elite

01:35:58.340 were linked to a pedophile ring

01:36:00.220 as well. A scandal over a pedophile ring

01:36:02.100 run from a state

01:36:03.920 orphanage gripped Portugal

01:36:05.740 as a threat to engulf diplomats, media

01:36:08.160 personalities and senior politicians so this is like these are just two other cases so what are

01:36:13.340 we talking about here we're talking about child sex trafficking rings child kidnapping rings that

01:36:18.920 are linked directly to the highest echelons of political power a story we've all heard before

01:36:24.080 no one would be surprised by that story but i think a few people really dwell on what that means

01:36:30.480 other than oh they're just pedophile it's just individual pedophiles randomly bumping into each

01:36:36.060 other it's like no no consider for a fact that maybe this is being driven by the government

01:36:42.520 maybe mark dutroux is not just a a paid actor maybe maybe he actually is just a mercenary

01:36:48.620 serving at the behest of the powerful who are actually in fact controlling all of this

01:36:54.040 you you rarely hear that part brought up and really what he gets into the book i would say

01:37:01.600 the other beating heart of this book is the existence of snuff films um and whether or not

01:37:07.880 snuff films really exist um because when i was a child it was believed that snuff films were

01:37:14.780 you know a urban legend right but once you start digging into the details not only were they you

01:37:22.920 know out there but they seem to be pretty readily available and we'll get into this in the next

01:37:27.600 episode on eye of the chicken hawk but in case i don't get to it then and this makes perfect sense

01:37:33.340 if you think about it most of the time snuff films are created not for wide distribution right

01:37:41.440 it's not that there's a snuff film and then it's just like sold to people every snuff film is made

01:37:46.540 to order right that's how they said it's done so you need to go to the trafficker and say here's

01:37:52.040 what i want done and then you pay for it which means that police can never really get a copy

01:37:58.400 because it would require that the police actually pay to produce one it's all you'd almost never

01:38:04.560 stumble across one because they're made to order per person right and once i heard them like oh

01:38:09.260 that makes sense so of course there's snuff films but it's not easy to get one because you would

01:38:13.920 need to either be the person you need to kill someone who has one or order one yourself but

01:38:19.420 it's not like drugs right anyway um he says here in september 20 2002 the chicago sometimes carried

01:38:25.660 a brief report of two brothers who were arrested and charged with possessing an enormous collection

01:38:30.460 of child pornography uh 5 000 photographic images around 100 tapes and eight millimeter films among

01:38:37.660 the evidence were images of young girls apparently tortured raped and killed the american media has

01:38:42.540 shown no inclination to shine any additional light on the case an account of a recent italian case

01:38:49.100 carried by The Guardian

01:38:49.900 affirms the existence of snuff films.

01:38:52.340 Police have discovered

01:38:53.320 a massive international pedophile network

01:38:55.880 selling violent child pornography

01:38:57.160 and are trying to identify 5,000 people,

01:39:00.620 5,000 people who are attempted

01:39:02.200 to purchase the videos.

01:39:04.840 Now, he makes another point here,

01:39:06.360 which is interesting.

01:39:07.400 I don't have the data to back this up,

01:39:10.020 but it seems important.

01:39:12.000 It says, according to investigative author

01:39:14.640 Gordon Thomas,

01:39:16.040 the majority of child pornography

01:39:17.700 produced worldwide is targeted at the U.S.

01:39:20.680 So it's primarily an American marketplace,

01:39:23.720 a consumer market that's driving it,

01:39:27.080 where by the early 90s,

01:39:28.680 it was already a $3 billion a year business and growing.

01:39:32.160 Thomas claims that, according to law enforcement figures,

01:39:34.360 over 22 million copies of these videos

01:39:36.900 are sold or rented in the U.S. in 1991.

01:39:41.420 He also writes that much of the material

01:39:43.120 is produced domestically,

01:39:45.140 where it's the part of the largest segment

01:39:46.640 of the movie-making in the United States.

01:39:48.640 What is known, though, is that the reports of child abuse

01:39:50.580 have skyrocketed between 1963 and 1988.

01:39:55.780 Reported cases of child abuse rose from 150,000

01:39:58.780 to 2 million per year,

01:40:01.240 a 1,300% increase in just a quarter century.

01:40:05.580 Child abuse may, in fact, be the most prevalent crime

01:40:07.900 in American society and possibly the most significant as well,

01:40:11.520 given that it provides the breeding ground

01:40:14.220 for so much of the crime epidemic that we're seeing right now.

01:40:17.360 So that's the other part to pay attention

01:40:19.680 that child abuse, according to these figures,

01:40:22.960 has significantly increased in a very specific window of time.

01:40:26.440 So what he's trying to do is connect the increase in child abuse

01:40:30.140 to also experimentations in trauma.

01:40:33.100 And if we accept that it is powerful people,

01:40:37.080 not only powerful people,

01:40:38.440 but powerful people in a specific geographic area that are driving it,

01:40:43.260 then is it possible that they are driving it for reasons other than sexual gratification?

01:40:49.100 And it is, in fact, about almost creating the soldiers through these children,

01:40:54.560 creating broken people for other purposes.

01:40:57.700 That's one of the things he tries to get to in the book.

01:41:00.040 The other thing is that if we accept that serial killers sometimes work in groups,

01:41:06.660 maybe oftentimes work in groups, then their choice of targets are up for question as well.

01:41:11.700 And he started talking about, like, how many of these serial killer targets were actually government hits, right?

01:41:19.100 Because he was saying that, you know, the idea of a serial killer profile is that they tend to kill the same person or the same type of person.

01:41:27.980 Or they have a victim that fits the profile.

01:41:31.780 And if you look at many of the most prolific serial killers, they don't even really have a type.

01:41:36.600 you know might be men or women but different types of men and women and which makes you think oh like

01:41:42.240 were these people targeted for reasons other than just complete sexual randomness that's the argument

01:41:49.340 he's making here that they're using serial killers as government agents to take out people for

01:41:56.180 specific reasons what do you think about all that i gave you honestly that's believable there's so

01:42:02.100 many connections both to like the secret government programs cia and whatever else but

01:42:08.860 also just like generally to institutions to to the senate and to congress and to you know banks

01:42:15.100 and wherever else it would not surprise me at all to learn not only that there are connections

01:42:19.380 between the killers but there are organized institutional connections as well it's not

01:42:23.840 surprising just something that we'll never know all the stories and as soon as people start

01:42:27.960 figuring them out those people start dying so yeah and it gets tied into the satanic church as well

01:42:33.720 which is seen as a joke these days the subject of netflix documentaries but you know that might

01:42:40.020 also be part of the play too i i would assume it is that people just think oh yes because they were

01:42:45.820 denying that satanists existed not long ago it's like well of course they of course we exist they're

01:42:51.380 everywhere and they're just fine and they're a bunch of they're just a bunch of jokey goofballs

01:42:56.020 to go to comic-con have you checked their subreddit yeah they like rick and morty more than

01:43:01.200 anybody um it says uh in one example is also implicated in one of these cases was uh democratic

01:43:08.140 congressman barney frank whose dc and that's a name people recognize whose dc home was used as

01:43:13.920 a base of operations for an escort service from late 1985 through mid 1987 the service was run

01:43:20.420 by frank's lover steven l goby the son of marine corps master sergeant and pentagon budget analysis

01:43:27.120 frank wrote a number of letters to probation officials on behalf of goby who had four felony

01:43:33.680 convictions from 1982 those letters provide the necessary cover for the ring which frank denied

01:43:38.280 having knowledge of goby also regularly operated out of chevy chase elementary school you know this

01:43:45.080 is a very grim thing but it is funny that chevy chase has a school named after him maybe it's a

01:43:50.280 different jimmy chase i think there's only one buddy inclusion with the magnet school principal

01:43:57.500 gabriel l massaro a former school counselor school was home to 350 students age 9 to 12

01:44:03.900 massaro vigorously denied that any students were involved in the cowboy operations

01:44:10.020 while he eventually admitted they were run from the school what a thing to say so and this is a

01:44:17.400 dimension that a lot of people are aware of but they kind of ignore like how many times

01:44:21.420 orphanages schools and daycares are bound up in that as well like people i i hate to say it i know

01:44:28.260 it sucks out there but you gotta distrust daycares like daycares are fucked man like

01:44:36.040 even out where i live like unless you can really vet them um like some of these figures i hear

01:44:43.020 stories about it's like it's just a bunch of kids locked in a room and i'm like that can't be good

01:44:48.880 like and then what else is going on with the doors closed you know i mean like so that's that's that's

01:44:53.800 what you do to break people psychologically um and here's another one one of the names that

01:45:00.100 surfaced at the uh bonichi trial was that of michael aquino the high priest and chief executive

01:45:06.260 of the temple of set an overtly satanic cult that split from the church of satan in 1975

01:45:11.940 besides tending to those duties equino also had been known to occupy some serving as

01:45:16.880 a lieutenant colonel of military intelligence of the u.s army equino was identified in court

01:45:23.200 by the mother of a victim as being a key player in a nationwide pedophile ring paul bonacci himself

01:45:28.700 had also positively identified equino as an associate of king who had known um and was known

01:45:34.900 to the children only as the colonel uh the procedo case had confront had confronted both

01:45:41.020 the public at large and the mental health community

01:45:43.080 with an extraordinary and important

01:45:45.060 situation of grave

01:45:46.840 psychological proportions. The willful

01:45:49.140 molestation of young boys and girls

01:45:50.840 by representatives of the most patriarchal

01:45:53.220 and supposedly protective

01:45:54.880 arm of the U.S. government, the U.S. Army.

01:45:57.180 A month after the raid, a

01:45:58.960 fire, which the Army deemed accidental, destroyed

01:46:01.080 the Army Community Services building

01:46:03.080 adjacent to the Procedo Daycare Center.

01:46:05.400 So just to back that up,

01:46:06.960 this was a daycare that was on an Army base

01:46:08.940 that was at the center of a child sex trafficking thing.

01:46:11.020 yeah um and then it mysteriously burned down of course the number of cases of the the office

01:46:17.300 burns down or the evidence room in the police station burns down or oh we sorry we lost that

01:46:22.420 piece of evidence like in the case of like the bundy and these guys like hold on are you telling

01:46:26.280 me that like 500 pounds of cards of handwritten cards with names and addresses just those all of

01:46:35.720 them have been lost and you have no clue where they've gone like this there's too many of these

01:46:40.240 and it always seems to be the ones that tie the government

01:46:43.440 to fucking pedophiles and child trafficking.

01:46:45.980 Well, and also, like, I know some people will say

01:46:48.840 that this is just a feminization of the government,

01:46:51.020 but it is true because in what other field would you accept

01:46:54.380 a whoopsie-daisy of that magnitude?

01:46:57.380 It's like, I just lost it.

01:46:58.400 What do you mean you lost it?

01:47:00.280 It's lost in the shuffle.

01:47:02.160 What do you mean?

01:47:02.560 Who's getting fired?

01:47:03.880 Like the Waco door.

01:47:05.180 Like, how do you lose a door?

01:47:07.080 Like, come on.

01:47:07.680 no you have an entire system set up to not lose things you have evidence lockers i don't know it's

01:47:13.120 just i don't know like what no they don't even give any excuse anymore they just say butterfingers

01:47:18.520 um it says as disturbing as the procedo case was it was just one of many ritual abuse cases

01:47:25.540 directly tied to one or more branches of the united states armed forces as the mercury news

01:47:31.060 reported by november 1987 the army had received allegations of child abuse at 15 of its daycare

01:47:37.080 centers and several elementary schools there is also at least two cases of air force staircase

01:47:42.040 uh yeah air force daycare centers and another in a center run by the navy um so again we're

01:47:49.400 building a case that it seems to have been disproportionately associated with places where

01:47:55.960 it it should be this you would imagine it would be stricter in these areas and for some reason

01:48:00.360 it's not um and then we go right into the finders now we've talked about the finders before so just

01:48:06.520 Just to refresh people's memory here, authorities investigating the alleged abuse of six children found with two men in Tallahassee, Florida, Park discovered material yesterday in the Washington area that they say points to a 1960s style commune called the Finders described in a court document as a cult that allegedly conducted brainwashing and used children in rituals.

01:48:33.120 It was nearly seven years before the press revisited the Finder's case, with the follow-up provided by the U.S. News and World Report.

01:48:39.960 Most likely, the strange saga of the Finder's would have disappeared forever if not for the rumors surrounding the case that would not seem to go away.

01:48:48.660 One of the unresolved questions involves allegations that the Finder's are somehow linked to the Central Intelligence Agency.

01:48:54.980 Customs Service documents reveal that in 1987, when Customs agents sought to examine the evidence gathered by Washington, D.C. police,

01:49:02.420 they were told that the finders investigation had become an internal matter interesting so you know

01:49:09.300 the finders is going to ring a lot of bells for people but that was again a strange brainwashing

01:49:14.880 cult children involved trafficking around the country around the world even that the case

01:49:21.320 dropped dead because they just seem to have some connections to federal government it's just a

01:49:25.540 place you're not supposed to look and that's where so many of these cases end up but like

01:49:29.840 Like, as you're seeing, I was describing this to someone the other day because I read these books back to back, this and I, the chicken hawk, that you're aware of these cases.

01:49:39.100 You've probably heard them before, but rarely do people just stack them beside each other, right, in any sort of sequence.

01:49:46.100 And once you do, the patterns emerge.

01:49:49.460 Like, is it ever really the case that's just a lone pedophile?

01:49:53.440 No.

01:49:53.940 And, of course, they're all connected.

01:49:55.740 And, of course, if the government is aware, what the fuck is going on?

01:49:59.840 And I just have to return to Comet Pizza.

01:50:04.540 Remember Comet Ping Pong Pizza?

01:50:06.680 It started with what turned out to be a bogus news story 0.98

01:50:09.660 suggesting that Bill and Hillary Clinton were running a sex ring

01:50:12.820 out of a Washington, D.C. pizza parlor.

01:50:16.060 The whole thing turned truly frightening

01:50:17.920 when a man showed up at that pizza parlor with a gun two weeks ago

01:50:22.160 demanding to know more.

01:50:23.980 And now this has become the center of a national debate over fake news.

01:50:27.960 and john podesta and just me alone in the wilderness saying whatever happened to that

01:50:35.220 we had we had there was something there we all agree it was so so obvious it closed so hard

01:50:42.220 and then and the funny thing is i still see it brought up fairly often but it's brought up by

01:50:47.900 the left to mock stupid right-wing conspiracy theorists as if it's so obviously been proven

01:50:54.080 false it's like wasn't it wasn't it just like last year one of the women who had still been

01:51:00.000 investigating it died in a suspicious car accident like literally a year ago or two years ago like i

01:51:07.800 think you had that in the notes from a couple of weeks ago and i had looked her up but like

01:51:11.080 the the comet ping pong thing was not only real oh yeah that i know that woman yeah

01:51:15.780 our people who have been investigating this are to this day like 10 years later still getting

01:51:22.320 assassinated if you pull on that thread they will fucking kill you and they're still doing it that's

01:51:28.200 how real that one is it's a guy's leftist i know so many of you were molested but we need to come

01:51:34.320 together and agree that being molested is bad it actually is not good it's something that we're

01:51:40.120 trying to prevent and it seems that people on our side of the political autism spectrum we're the

01:51:45.360 only ones that care and that's a weird thing to feel lonely about right and look you guys hate

01:51:52.260 the government too i get it would it make sense that the most powerful and influential state

01:52:00.480 in world history would have at least one person in its circle its orbit of influence that would 1.00

01:52:08.720 be tasked in being a fixer meaning that look we need a guy who can procure drugs women children 1.00

01:52:15.720 whatever it is to make the four dignitaries happy to make the weird chinese billionaire happy 0.96

01:52:20.800 whatever i think there's one at least one guy who's got to do dirty work for the american

01:52:25.060 government i know this is taking time away from you complaining about the cia making exploding

01:52:31.000 cigars or whatever the fuck but just imagine the same cia you hate do you think they could do

01:52:37.780 anything with children or they just are they not evil enough for that yeah i'm really trying to

01:52:43.980 meet you halfway here so it's like these people would reject the premise that america would never

01:52:49.820 do something secret like that they would never they you know what they love they only murder

01:52:54.780 black children in public do you think they do anything else with children otherwise no it's just

01:52:58.980 shooting them because they're jealous of black they'll believe that crack was created specifically

01:53:04.180 to fuck with black people which is like maybe true but doesn't need to be true because it's

01:53:09.200 it is just black people doing crack but they'll so they'll believe that but they won't believe

01:53:14.460 the pedo shit which is so much more obvious and damn i think the government could efficiently

01:53:19.820 create something as good as crack don't let the government have that much credit come on

01:53:26.600 i bet i'll bet you the the government created galaxy gas yeah the government did create galaxy

01:53:33.000 gas too late to like the time for galaxy gas was the 90s yeah come on give me a break oh hi we just

01:53:42.880 invented a fucking absinthe we're done we're not doing that anymore we're not doing the fucking

01:53:49.340 spoon with the sugar it's fucking gay it's over um so here's an interesting part it says researcher

01:53:56.240 arlene tyner you're gonna hear that a lot in this book researcher this biographer that it pulls for

01:54:01.340 a lot of people who i can't verify but whatever we're just this is the soup we're sitting in now

01:54:07.100 says researcher arlene tyner who has spent a considerable amount of time interviewing and

01:54:11.300 corresponding victims of mind control operations noted in a probe magazine article that some of

01:54:16.200 these victims were turned over to military cia doctors by pedophile fathers or other sexually

01:54:21.560 abusive relatives cia officials also blackmailed family members known to produce kitty port in

01:54:26.920 order to gain control of their already abused and psychologically fragmented children is certainly

01:54:31.740 within the realm of possibility that the high profile child pornography raids in recent years

01:54:36.840 which invariably result in relatively few arrests and even fewer prosecutions and convictions are

01:54:43.400 not intended to punish the victimizers but to identify and compromise them fair enough it is

01:54:50.080 not inconceivable that the databases being compiled will be utilized as something of a recruitment

01:54:55.140 list to identify those persons who have been preconditioned so to speak for future mind

01:55:00.360 control operations as we said before you're looking for people who are susceptible to mind

01:55:04.640 control susceptible to influence this is what cult leaders also do you're looking for people

01:55:09.400 who are broken and charles manson is probably in the book like how did charles manson work his

01:55:15.560 magic well there's a lot of connections between charles manson and these sorts of programs as

01:55:19.780 well by the way we'll get into that if we have the time but it's like you're looking for broken

01:55:24.740 people it would stand to reason that you would want these sexually abused people just so you can

01:55:30.240 turn them into something else um and and this would lead into people noticing that hey it seems

01:55:36.460 that serial killer cases have gone down i don't even know if that's true that based on my reading

01:55:42.260 that seems to be true maybe we just gather the data differently but there does seem to be a golden age

01:55:47.480 of serial killers that you don't really see anymore so we either found a different name for

01:55:53.480 them or maybe those experiments stopped right or maybe the people driving it decided to move

01:56:00.320 into something else just a thought there's the case of henry lee lucas who i mentioned i'm just

01:56:06.320 going to go into this because his story is fucking wild and he's really held up as sort of the

01:56:10.840 archetype of what he's talking about here in many different ways he says on june 30th 1998 henry

01:56:17.700 lee lucas arguably the most prolific and certainly one of the most sadistic serial killers in all of

01:56:22.620 american crime was scheduled for execution in texas given the advocacy of the death penalty

01:56:28.260 by then governor george w bush things were not looking good for henry bush had not granted

01:56:33.900 clemency to any condemned man throughout his tenure as governor on june 18th just 12 days

01:56:40.360 before the execution governor bush made a special request to the texas state board of pardons

01:56:44.900 whose members were all bush appointees to review the case strangely enough eight days later the

01:56:51.260 board issued recommendation that henry's execution not take place just a couple years into his

01:56:58.240 incarceration he told the story in a book written for him by a sympathetic author the book entitled

01:57:04.440 the hand of death the henry lee lucas story tells of henry's indoctrination into a nationwide

01:57:10.880 satanic cult lucas claimed that he was trained by the cult in a mobile paramilitary training

01:57:16.400 camp in florida everglades his training he said included instruction in abduction and arson

01:57:21.460 techniques as well as the fine art of killing up close and personal henry further claimed that

01:57:26.680 leaders of the camp were so impressed by his handling of a knife that he was allowed to serve

01:57:30.560 as an instructor following his training henry claimed that he served the cult in various ways

01:57:34.940 including as a contract killer and the abductor of children whom he delivered to a ranch in mexico

01:57:40.380 near juarez what henry claimed essentially is that what appeared to be the random work of a

01:57:45.720 serial killer was in fact a planned series of crimes often committed for specific purposes

01:57:51.120 some of the murders were political hits according to henry including assassinations of foreign

01:57:55.580 dignitaries local politicians or wealthy businessmen this was not true for all of henry's

01:58:00.280 crimes some he just did because that's what he liked to do and it was one thing he that he was

01:58:05.200 really good at the beauty of this arrangement was allowed henry to conceal his true motives

01:58:09.320 and many of his crimes now could these be the selfish self-absorbed ramblings of an imprisoned

01:58:16.900 man maybe but i'm choosing to believe it for the purposes of this episode um now and what what is

01:58:24.700 to back up these claims that the military even does anything like this um and i'm reading apart

01:58:30.760 here a quote it says a u.s navy psychologist claims that the office of naval intelligence

01:58:37.160 had taken convicted murderers from military prisons,

01:58:40.000 used behavior modification techniques on them,

01:58:42.600 and relocated them in American embassies throughout the world.

01:58:46.260 That Navy psychologist was Lieutenant Commander Thomas Nerut

01:58:49.560 of the U.S. Regional Medical Center in Naples, Italy.

01:58:53.040 The information was divulged at an Oslo NATO conference

01:58:56.760 of 120 psychologists from the 11-nation alliance.

01:59:00.940 The Navy provided all the funding necessary, according to Nerut.

01:59:04.920 Dr. Narut, in a question and answer session with reporters from many nations,

01:59:09.340 revealed how the Navy was secretly programming large numbers of assassins.

01:59:14.120 Anyone familiar with the intelligence community's longstanding obsession with a concept of mind control

01:59:18.500 will immediately recognize that Dr. Narut was describing an MKUltra project.

01:59:23.300 The operation described by him involved killers drawn from military prisons,

01:59:27.660 though there was a good possibility that parallel programs were being introduced and conducted in civilian prisons as well.

01:59:34.220 um this conference was in 1975 that he said this so there is and again when i'm saying this this

01:59:40.600 should surprise no one it's surprised no one that they would even try something like this

01:59:44.740 and it goes into more detail here about the serial killer profile says most americans are probably

01:59:49.780 familiar with what is considered the classic serial killer profile this was a notion first

01:59:54.380 put forth by the venerable fbi which coined the term serial killer uh and pioneered the concept

01:59:59.640 of profiling in an alleged attempt to understand the phenomena of a mass murderer if people have

02:00:05.420 ever watched that show mind hunter it's a fine enough show but it's all about this it's about

02:00:10.940 the creation of the serial killer profile it appears to be the case though that the concept

02:00:15.420 of the serial killer profile was put forth largely to misinform the public there's another case i

02:00:21.060 think it was the oakland child killer or it was in atlanta there's a famous case it might have

02:00:27.140 been in atlanta and this was covered in season two of the show of a um serial killer that was

02:00:31.840 killing black children and everyone thought it was a white person it was a kkk member a skinhead of

02:00:37.640 some kind and it was a race crime and it turned out to be a black man who was uh caught red-handed

02:00:44.100 disposing of a body right so that he wasn't just an innocent guy he was caught disposing of a child's

02:00:48.620 body and murdered and one thing that everyone acknowledged about the case was that this seemed

02:00:55.080 to be a fall guy that what was actually going on was there was a again a network of pedophiles

02:01:01.460 within the city that would this guy was just grabbing up kids and delivering it to them and

02:01:06.460 then he was disposing of the bodies afterwards so they claimed they caught the guy but they might

02:01:10.820 have just caught one of seven guys working for this large organization but then you know case

02:01:17.380 closed we found the guy we found the one guy without having to look into you know the elites

02:01:22.680 of the city it says in the case of henry luke henry lee lucas few if any of the elements of

02:01:28.800 the serial killer profile even apply for instance serial killers are said to act alone driven to do

02:01:35.180 so only by their own private demons in henry's case this was a patently false notion it's been

02:01:40.240 officially acknowledged that lucas worked with not just one but at times as many as three

02:01:43.940 accomplices the victims uh rescindes ramirez for instance ranged in age from 21 to 88 years

02:01:51.820 with a mix of males and females so he didn't have a type of person he was old young all different

02:01:57.000 types the cause of death varied as well with most being bludgeoned the one was shot in the head

02:02:01.700 another stabbed another had a pickaxe buried in her head though not readily apparent almost all

02:02:07.280 the weapons used for inflicting death had one thing in common and this is interesting um i'm

02:02:13.640 going to assume this is true as well almost all the weapons were termed weapons of opportunity

02:02:18.300 notably this precisely mirrors the means by which the cia has historically taught its assassins to

02:02:24.960 kill a cia training manual entitled a study of assassinations advises that would be the would-be

02:02:31.440 killers should do the following the simplest local tools are often the most efficient means

02:02:35.860 of assassination a hammer axe wrench screwdriver fire poker kitchen knife lamp lampstand anything

02:02:42.140 hard heavy and handy will suffice all such improvised weapons have the important advantage

02:02:47.600 of availability and apparent innocence the assassin may accidentally be searched before the act and

02:02:53.600 should not carry incriminating devices of any sort or any sort of lethal weapon but any lethal weapon

02:03:00.080 can be improvised at or near the site uh the mafia assassination known as murder inked murder ink the

02:03:07.760 brainchild of lansky luciano uh had a remarkably similar philosophy so the idea is and that's

02:03:13.840 an interesting thing because you hear serial killers it's like oh they use the same method

02:03:17.600 every time too no no no if anyone uses a weapon of opportunity perhaps that means trained assassin

02:03:25.360 you know maybe that one's a bit of a reach but i'll give him that maury terry as previously

02:03:30.960 mentioned had done an excellent job arguing that the case of the son of sam killings were carried

02:03:35.200 up by multiple cult members despite the media portrait of david berkowitz as the proverbial

02:03:40.480 lone killer susan kelly has likewise done a great job of exposing the boston strangler killings

02:03:46.400 as the work of several killers even before the recent kelly's boston stranglers

02:03:51.040 there had been long speculation that the killings were not the work of one man

02:03:55.760 most of the officials involved in the investigation in fact never believed that a single killer

02:04:00.080 was responsible um i'll just end on this this sort of brings it all together it says

02:04:05.680 As the cases of Mark Dutroux and many others have amply illustrated, there can be a very fine line between organized pedophilia and serial murder.

02:04:14.820 Perhaps nowhere has that point clearly been made than what was at the time America's most murder capital, Atlanta, Georgia, during the killings commonly referred to as the Atlanta child murders.

02:04:24.940 This is what I was telling you about before.

02:04:26.480 None of the pedophiles connected to the case were ever seriously considered as suspects and certainly none were ever charged with any of the murders.

02:04:32.960 There's little doubt, though, that many of the victims were involved in a large and well-protected child prostitution and child pornography ring.

02:04:40.860 Unanswered, though, are the questions of why and by whom they were killed.

02:04:46.200 While it says here, McGill, a Miami cocktail waitress, claims that the murders were perpetrated by a cult involving drug trafficking, child pornography and Satanism.

02:04:58.160 The cult, she said, was comprised of members of both Georgia and Florida.

02:05:02.000 One of the leaders was her part-time lover, Vietnam veteran Parnell Trahem.

02:05:07.120 She claimed that she had witnessed both animal and human sacrifices and spoke of business murders that the cult had committed.

02:05:13.720 It is not inconceivable that the killings were performed as human sacrifices.

02:05:17.760 Some reports hold that several of the parents reported to independent investigators that the bodies of their children had crosses carved in their foreheads and chests.

02:05:26.060 the profile of serial killers that has been presented in this book is obviously one that's

02:05:30.900 quite different than one that's become part of our collective consciousness or conscience rather

02:05:35.940 rather than the profile of a lone predator driven by his own internal demons we are finest in the

02:05:40.780 profile of the controlled assassins and controlled patsies conditioned and programmed by a variety of

02:05:47.160 intelligence fronts including military entities psychiatric institutions and satanic cults there's

02:05:53.440 a very real possibility that an

02:05:55.500 underground network of satanic cults

02:05:57.440 has largely replaced the Mafia's

02:05:59.460 Murder Incorporated as America's

02:06:01.780 premier murder-for-hire organization.

02:06:04.620 Researcher and author

02:06:05.660 Michael Newton has drawn that conclusion in

02:06:07.560 Raising Hell. He charges that the Black

02:06:09.720 Cross, a faction of the

02:06:11.640 Process Bond 4P cult,

02:06:14.520 functions specifically

02:06:15.760 as satanic murder-ing.

02:06:18.060 So that, in my opinion,

02:06:19.620 summarizes the thesis

02:06:21.360 of this book and that's near the end of the book

02:06:23.480 but Murder, Inc

02:06:25.280 famous mafia hit men

02:06:27.340 once associated with the government

02:06:28.820 there is a new Murder, Inc

02:06:31.120 but it's satanic pedophile

02:06:33.340 Murder, Inc

02:06:34.000 what do you think about that?

02:06:37.400 damn, buddy

02:06:39.180 it gives you a lot to chew on

02:06:40.840 some of the examples

02:06:41.740 I skipped and didn't include them

02:06:44.360 they're somewhat suspect

02:06:46.000 or at least a bit flimsier

02:06:47.660 but I think the overall picture painted

02:06:50.480 it's interesting it's compelling

02:06:53.080 I

02:06:55.320 could believe it you know

02:06:57.300 and if you don't believe that or you would not

02:06:59.540 entertain that possibility

02:07:01.260 I would ask that person why

02:07:03.540 anyway we've

02:07:05.440 gone pretty long right now

02:07:06.840 I hope everyone enjoyed that and

02:07:09.260 I hope you had a great time as well thank you for taking the time

02:07:11.220 yeah no worries man

02:07:12.780 I'll talk to you later

02:07:13.940 all right greetings anons i am here with a man to whom you all owe your allegiance a man that i

02:07:36.780 have been wanting to have on for a conversation for quite some time dimes how you doing man i'm

02:07:43.540 doing great i'm really happy to be here man and i'm loving the topic that you picked um and we

02:07:48.600 talk so much just behind the scenes i'm like we must have done this live before and we just haven't

02:07:54.480 so yeah it's a long time coming dimes your vc is uh is kind of uh absurd uh i put i put the kind

02:08:05.300 of notes in um uh in the show notes but you host blood satellite um you you run vanguard journal

02:08:14.200 can you can you kind of just run people through your uh your credentials here yeah of course so

02:08:20.940 i am the co-host of a show called blood satellite you can check that out on blood satellite.ca

02:08:26.360 it's every week it's um a mix of i would say comedy and current events like where have you

02:08:32.120 heard that before oh it's it's me and a guy we just riff on some shit but here's the thing it's

02:08:37.760 really good it is really good it's your favorite shows favorite shows favorite show and i'm also

02:08:44.300 the editor of the vanguards journal which is a sub stack and also a website where we publish long

02:08:48.740 form written pieces uh typically based off of what we discuss on the show but formatted in a more

02:08:54.640 a comprehensive fashion also the proprietor of the good suffer merchandise store good suffer.com

02:09:02.060 where we sell a wide array of shirts both related and unrelated to the show and also partnerships

02:09:08.040 with other creators such as jay burden uh the um z-man and the restoration bureau and censor

02:09:17.440 and on and and many others so uh those are kind of the three main things that i do um i don't want

02:09:23.700 to talk people's head off about just all my shit people got people want people want to get to the

02:09:28.360 good so check out bloodsilate.ca just go there and i think you'll like it it's all it's all really

02:09:34.340 fantastic stuff i do i do have to take a minute to just like compliment dimes's aesthetic uh the

02:09:40.200 the design and all your stuff is is very um iconic and memorable and i i really appreciate it

02:09:47.260 thank you so much and that gets brought up quite a bit especially our website which i designed

02:09:52.840 because um my in my professional life i work in marketing and i've got many many years of design

02:09:58.160 experience I just did that you know fugue state one weekend because I do just did web design I

02:10:03.800 could throw together a website pretty fast and I'm like this one's just for me this is going to be

02:10:08.260 just stuff I like and I created it without you know just because I think it's important that

02:10:14.200 people have websites especially in our space I think people generally become too reliant on the

02:10:20.120 platforms that could pull the rug out from underneath them and I always said well if you

02:10:24.380 have a website um which isn't the hardest thing in the world to set up at least you have a base

02:10:29.000 of operations that you can kind of call people back to if you get deplatformed or whatever

02:10:33.880 um and so to me it was just a standard thing to do um but then people keep bringing it up and i

02:10:39.600 sometimes i forget that i did it and i reread like oh shit i i wrote that that's fucking funny

02:10:44.740 um but yeah it's a lot of people like it and i kind of want to expand on it in the future but

02:10:51.680 yeah um so again take a stroll around blood sally.ca if you want to have some fun and that

02:10:57.500 that aesthetic we also bring to a lot of our merchandise too the problem is that you know i

02:11:02.040 work in marketing so you try and diversify your style as much as you can and i work with many

02:11:06.900 other designers as well because i'm at an age where i'm just getting set in my ways and the

02:11:12.120 problem is that if it's just me as the main like art director on a project i'll eventually make it

02:11:18.020 too fucking weird so i gotta get reasonable people involved in these projects how'd you

02:11:25.180 how'd you come up with the name blood satellite that's a great question yeah um a lot of people

02:11:32.080 have given me their interpretations they'll say oh you know that has something to do with um

02:11:36.720 blood lines or i didn't know that a blood sally was also um a forensic terminology for like a

02:11:43.780 spatter of blood at a crime scene that's not what it was it was an my guess was blood meridian

02:11:48.300 that's what i yeah i remember you said that which i i'd like i like blood marine fine um but no it

02:11:55.400 was an inside joke between me and my co-host judas and some friends of ours and he has a

02:12:02.340 different story of it than i do but it was something akin to in the future we wanted to

02:12:07.660 keep our blood alive in satellites orbiting earth and that was how to preserve our legacy

02:12:13.060 and uh i stopped telling that story because people thought it was less funny than whatever

02:12:17.900 they thought so um if you don't like that explanation uh forget it and substitute your

02:12:24.400 own nice it could be blood meridian if you want i'm gonna pretend that it's blood meridian

02:12:29.640 yeah maybe i'm maybe i'm judge holden maybe i'm a cool invincible rapist maybe that

02:12:36.140 what are we what are we fucking three minutes in five minutes in before rape came up we're doing

02:12:41.920 Yeah, well, you know, and I know, you know, this is not the dimes, the, you know, the Charlie Rose interview about your about your life.

02:12:50.180 We do have a topic, but I am always curious when I have people on just to hear how you kind of made your way or how you found your way to like this, this corner of the Internet.

02:13:02.100 Like, were you born based dimes?

02:13:04.680 Like, did you just did you come out of your mom this way or did you?

02:13:09.640 It's funny. Me and my co-host were actually talking about this on the last episode. We were speaking about it. Every episode of Blood Sally, we do a book review of a book that I read on every single episode, every single week. It's a new book. We're doing an arc on sort of the pillars of thought in the white nationalism movement.

02:13:30.020 And we covered the book, Which Way Western Man by William Gailey Simpson.

02:13:34.480 And he's a very interesting figure.

02:13:37.400 And his story was he was a devout Christian Franciscan for much of his early life, meaning that not only did he follow Christ, he lived as he thought Christ would.

02:13:50.120 And so he was in churches.

02:13:53.180 He was actually in the precursor to the ACLU for a while.

02:13:56.120 But then he was just living in the gutter and lending his labor for free.

02:14:00.020 he eventually does a 180 and becomes a nietzschean like an anti-christian nietzschean later on that's

02:14:06.260 kind of that the question which way western man that is the question is it christianity or the

02:14:12.740 sort of vitalist nietzscheanism um and he's obviously on the side of nietzscheanism but

02:14:17.300 anyway we were saying in the context of that type of figure the type of person who is always doing

02:14:22.660 heel turns throughout their life like it's not normal that someone would just one day be like

02:14:27.540 i'm anti everything that i once and this episode's going up on tomorrow actually so people can listen

02:14:34.980 to it more than but uh so just to answer your question if you were to go back to myself and

02:14:41.780 judas my co-hosts like we went to high school together so one of the things you get with our

02:14:46.260 show it's these two guys and we're in our mid-30s now we just know each other our whole lives when

02:14:50.740 we get along but that's why we can say if you go back to us when we're 18 19 we're not terribly

02:14:56.580 different than what we are now ideologically in terms of historical literacy in terms of just

02:15:03.400 life experience were changed obviously but it's not like we were turbo libs and then

02:15:08.040 did a fucking heel turn later and became whatever the fuck it is we are now but which you do see

02:15:13.740 in our space you will see guys who were like anarcho leftists up until like two years ago

02:15:21.360 and then they become like turbo national socialists and then they become furries like

02:15:26.180 weird stuff but that's that's less the ideology more of that type of personality you also see it

02:15:32.680 in the people who jump churches a lot like they start out as a baptist and then they're a catholic

02:15:37.020 and then they're eastern orthodox that's usually the transition they do and then and then and then

02:15:42.400 and then but it's always like every few years they're jumping to a new thing and that's more

02:15:46.460 of a personality defect rather than their actual belief system so anyway roundabout way to answer

02:15:51.680 your question were we always based no i mean like most people when they're young they're pretty

02:15:56.540 apolitical i think if you're if you're doing it right because if you're like in your teens

02:16:01.880 very few people i don't think people should be talking about this should we talk about when

02:16:06.380 they're like 17 they should be trying to like get laid and get skills and stuff you only only get

02:16:12.900 into the weird stuff later on um like we did but yeah like we would have come up through

02:16:18.880 we're millennials so there was a there was more spaces for heterodox thought back then that

02:16:24.640 that were filtered for weird usually white guys like that would be 4chan that would be the forum

02:16:31.980 culture back then so you were just a what you know the sale of forums things like that where

02:16:36.740 a lot of these guys were so you you were just a wash in historical revisionism you couldn't really

02:16:42.040 tell what was good what was bad but it was just rife with conspiracy theories rife with heterodox

02:16:47.520 and fringe thoughts so we're just amassed in that and then you kind of start picking a lane and

02:16:52.680 figuring out what you believe in some people just become very hardcore conspiracy people some people

02:16:57.440 you know you become a flat earth guy some people you know they go in different directions but

02:17:02.120 that's where we will have spent most of our time and i think maybe we've just corrected we've gotten

02:17:08.160 rid of some of our beliefs over time but um yeah we're always just in that sphere i guess

02:17:15.200 i prefer as far back as i can remember it is interesting dimes because the i give anybody

02:17:22.040 the full benefit of the doubt because i mean i wasn't i wasn't far from this myself

02:17:28.000 even if somebody was the most kind of like die hard left leftist if they like i don't i don't

02:17:35.900 care where you are if you flipped into this space um i'm like that's fine like that person is

02:17:41.880 completely sane because i've met people from everywhere like that were like oh i was a

02:17:46.040 libertarian to like oh i was like a bernie bro to i was a communist and uh anything that and then

02:17:54.180 they wind up on this space and it can be a complete 180 about face and i i think that the

02:17:59.560 vast majority of those people are kind of sane and they just kind of received new information

02:18:07.380 and it kind of updated their software i think that's describes myself but like if people do

02:18:12.460 a second a second change i'm like oh boy well a lot of policy positions too because some people

02:18:20.220 might say i i started off as an individualist capitalist of some kind maybe that's the

02:18:26.520 libertarian type and then they came to terms with that well that's that's a doomed proposition that

02:18:32.480 we need to collectivize so you kind of become a socialist but did you change your first principles

02:18:36.800 and a lot of people would change their first principles so like were you an anti-racialist

02:18:42.560 or race realist and then you became a race realist like what happened there uh were you were you

02:18:47.660 anti-government then became pro-government that's a really or like small government versus big

02:18:52.340 that's a that's a hard change like a lot of stuff has to change unless you're being disingenuous

02:18:56.820 and that's what we were talking about with william gailey simpson in which way western man like the

02:19:01.200 the more you hear him describe it you're like oh i don't think you understood the bible

02:19:04.660 because he was saying like no i like jesus's story i just don't care about the son of god

02:19:09.780 element and the miracles i'm like so you just like the story of jesus as as a guy who was born in

02:19:15.640 nazareth like that's a weird and they just wanted to live as him i'm like but why i don't get that

02:19:20.840 part let me he had this really his foundational understanding of what christianity was was pretty

02:19:27.760 twisted and radical in an odd direction so it's just a total misalignment so but that that person

02:19:35.100 is destined to be misaligned with whatever it is they're doing at the time anyway point being that

02:19:39.740 you know does this person change are they always changing their first principles or becoming the

02:19:44.520 opposite of what they were and that's that's something you got to keep an eye out for especially

02:19:48.260 now as there's going to be far more liberals and this has been going on for a couple years now far

02:19:55.160 more liberals flooding into our space and even some progressives and leftists have been doing

02:20:00.220 it for a while and you know a lot people get excited about that they say oh fresh blood fresh

02:20:04.600 ideas look there's horrors here now who doesn't like horrors milling around yeah i hear you but

02:20:11.260 here's the thing they bring in a lot of priors and a lot of baggage and um have they really

02:20:16.700 change anything fundamental

02:20:18.340 about what they believe

02:20:20.500 or are they just tired of hanging out

02:20:22.360 with a bunch of odd queers over

02:20:24.720 there on the left and they just want to hang out

02:20:26.540 where the guys like to lift and shoot guns

02:20:29.020 but they change nothing else about their

02:20:30.760 belief systems and they'll just corrupt

02:20:32.180 whatever we got going over here

02:20:34.160 it's very true yeah

02:20:36.340 so if either dimes or

02:20:37.860 I myself you know if you

02:20:40.000 see us like you know

02:20:41.840 trying to like count ballots for Kamala

02:20:44.720 next week or something like that

02:20:46.700 you know we're crazy and you can disavow and it's fine well and some people they're just

02:20:53.740 so um like it's their job like the type of person who set who was very anti january 6th on the left

02:21:02.700 and anti stop the steal and now they want to say that trump stole the election like they're just

02:21:08.700 you know cynical they're just like they're democrat operatives and they're just disingenuous

02:21:14.260 And what you're always going to have those people, the people who are just towing the party line and there are there are non entities. So I'm just talking about people who actually believe in things, not people just trying to win a game of politics, which is a different group that I don't think we really need to concern ourselves with.

02:21:30.720 yeah so so speaking of uh believing things or not believing things we've got a we've got a

02:21:37.820 piping hot topic that we wanted to discuss as often happens with me dimes like i i find somebody

02:21:44.280 that i want to have on and then it um it kills me and it can take take months to actually just

02:21:49.940 kind of lock onto a topic because i don't want to i don't want to just completely re recapitulate

02:21:55.220 something that uh they've discussed on another stream with with somebody else but something

02:22:01.080 something caught my attention a little while ago which was a a series of streams a three-parter

02:22:09.360 that you did with prudentialist on uh the book spinal catastrophism by thomas moynahan i bet

02:22:17.480 a lot of the guys that i got to watch the stream are now shooting their screens

02:22:22.040 we're not going to just talk about spinal catastrophism we're going to talk about

02:22:31.460 a broader category which spinal catastrophism is is a a fine um perhaps like er example of

02:22:39.900 which is uh i would fit i would fit spinal catastrophism within a category of uh philosophical

02:22:47.840 pessimism. And philosophical pessimism, it's not that popular. And I would, I think,

02:22:56.820 up front distinguish and differentiate this a little bit from its more famous cousin,

02:23:03.280 which would be philosophical nihilism or cosmic nihilism. So the difference being that the subtle

02:23:10.660 difference here is nihilism, a nihilist is somebody who believes that the universe is cold

02:23:17.420 and uncaring and indifferent to us is likely unaware of our existence. I would say that the

02:23:24.760 fiction of H.P. Lovecraft would be an example of a kind of cosmic nihilism. And cosmic nihilism

02:23:36.420 can certainly give way to a pessimism within an individual, but it's not the same thing as

02:23:41.900 cosmic pessimism cosmic pessimism is a far darker and and by the way i shouldn't before i go any

02:23:49.040 further dimes and i picked this uh topic before like trump won uh and i'm not trying to like

02:23:55.740 you know it's not like i'm like too many white pills i need to bum everybody out we just had

02:24:01.860 this in mind regardless of what was going to happen in current events but if anybody was a

02:24:07.500 a bit too excited everyone's been to like just trump is having his caesar moment it's his

02:24:13.900 napoleon moment we have the new he he is risen i'm like okay let's let's bring it down big guys

02:24:20.260 bring it down and and gather around and listen to uh uh dimes and last things discuss cosmic

02:24:27.260 you want you want to talk about space shithead guess what i do

02:24:31.940 but uh no but i i on regarding what you were saying um and this would just be

02:24:40.080 you know very minutiae but i would almost flip the terminology because i do agree with um

02:24:47.100 lovecraft being nihilistic i would say spinal catastrophism is really nihilistic or

02:24:54.540 misanthropic when i think of cosmic pessimism the thought that was triggered in my mind was

02:25:00.200 just the mainstream scientific consensus on what space is because the mainstream consensus is that

02:25:06.500 space is largely dead and what activity is in there is hostile to life but there's nothing

02:25:13.800 of interest out there like it's a giant tomb that is expanding into either uh chill death or will

02:25:22.680 collapse into a heat death it's it's pessimistic in the sense of why bother whereas you know when

02:25:28.400 I use the term nihilism. I believe when we were talking previously, we've mentioned that Thomas

02:25:34.200 Ligotti came up in the Spinal Catastrophism stream, the three streams. People can find that

02:25:40.000 in Prudentialist's channel on YouTube. We do a show called Do You Even Read, where we go really

02:25:46.080 deep into these books that a lot of people just don't want to read themselves. And they're really

02:25:51.200 trippy. And really, they're just these labyrinthine. The next one we're doing is Anti-Oedipus by

02:25:57.420 to lose um so kind of you know right-minded but approaching these very caustic hostile arguably

02:26:07.520 leftist books um but you know thomas lagatti uh is an author uh who wrote a conspiracy against

02:26:15.920 the human race i believe that was the title title a contrivance of horror yes yeah he's a horror

02:26:22.400 author by the way and a very very good horror author a lot of people like him um i won't go

02:26:26.340 too much in this but his he wrote a book that was in my mind the only real defense of nihilism i've

02:26:34.280 ever read because nihilism is something you'll see it in non-fiction but something you accuse

02:26:40.160 other people of being but not a lot of people have given a full defense of nihilism and he did

02:26:44.600 um and it was it's if i could summarize it briefly it's being anti-life because you are so convinced

02:26:51.980 that the universe only exists to cause you pain and you are anti experiencing pain so you should

02:26:59.920 be anti-life you should your entire raison d'etre for being should be to prohibit the proliferation

02:27:07.800 of life now notably this this does not go as far as i don't know terrorism or suicide because

02:27:15.260 that's where you think it would go right it's like okay if you're so anti-life why don't you

02:27:19.140 kill yourself and what he says in the book in no uncertain terms is that well you know if i were to

02:27:24.720 kill myself that would be too positive that would be too affirming that's saying yes to something

02:27:31.700 and i i'm protesting life by only saying no to life so even ending which is a cope obviously

02:27:37.940 it's just it's a dumb book by the way like it's it's fucking stupid and nihilism is fucking stupid

02:27:43.880 and so let's start with that that's the foundation of the rest of this conversation

02:27:47.800 but like nihilism itself is not terribly well thought out or interesting and it is full of

02:27:55.180 holes but in his own words it's like well i'm just gonna drink wine i'm gonna i'm gonna be a guy

02:28:00.120 who writes fiction drinks red wine for the rest of my life and takes sad black and white photos

02:28:04.960 of myself i'm not gonna do anything cool like blow myself up as a grand a grand gesture to

02:28:12.280 of anti-life right so but you know that that is that to me is nihilism it's it's a constant

02:28:18.400 rebellion against a universe that you believe is uniquely set up for your persecution so it's

02:28:27.560 within that realm you know lovecraft not so much because his books are it's more of an

02:28:33.100 an uncaring universe that you know like the when we peek behind the curtain we're driven insane

02:28:40.740 that's what you know love not not all lovecraft stuff is like that a lot of it's just really

02:28:44.680 interesting stuff but the stuff people like the cosmic horror the maddening old one stuff it's

02:28:50.640 it is an uncaring universe towards you but it's not you're not the center of it that's trying to

02:28:56.060 take a fucking scalpel to like the nihilist thing and that is what i believe um spinal catastrophism

02:29:02.180 sets up in the book and i could describe it a bit more unless you had some follow-up questions there

02:29:07.560 Yeah, no, I was going to ask you to describe it a little bit. I guess I'd just say, I think we're using the terms pessimism and nihilism a bit differently. I associate with nihilism with that indifferent universe.

02:29:23.460 I mean, both can can make the subject go insane. And it sounds like a very nitpicky. But to me, pessimism is the universe does care. It cares that you suffer. It cares that you suffer as long as possible, as as much as possible. That's why it invented you. That's why you exist.

02:29:44.760 you know i again like i guess a good example of a uh pessimistic uh uh artist um and worldview

02:29:55.000 would be the films of like lars von trier i find that though i find his films go beyond a kind of

02:30:00.260 nihilism um and uh he characterizes just kind of the universe as this truly kind of pernicious and

02:30:08.700 an atavistic kind of force against the human subject.

02:30:13.160 What's fascinating about Lars von Trier is that there's a way to view his

02:30:17.420 films.

02:30:17.900 And for people who haven't seen his films,

02:30:19.760 he's made some amazing films.

02:30:21.580 One of my favorite films that he ever made that no one else likes.

02:30:25.820 And I keep recommending it to people and they come back and say,

02:30:28.800 what the fuck is wrong with you?

02:30:30.060 Is Dogville with Nicole.

02:30:31.780 I love Dogville.

02:30:33.360 I think Dogville is brilliant.

02:30:34.740 I think about Dogville all the time.

02:30:36.700 and i might be overselling it because i think the way you should see that movie

02:30:40.380 is when i found it like on a video shelf and videos are like what the fuck is this and you

02:30:45.000 watch it and you're surprised so don't let me oversell it matt bellamy is in it one of matt

02:30:48.980 bellamy's great performances very underrated actor um yeah lars montreal it's every time i

02:30:55.980 see one of the films in up to and including the house that jack built it's less uh commentary

02:31:00.520 on society and more like a it's like a kid playing very cruelly with his toys like melancholia is

02:31:09.600 like that nymphomaniacs like that like he creates these worlds and it's almost darkly comical so

02:31:15.280 often it's darkly comical in these horrible situations but the it's so preposterous the

02:31:20.440 house that jack built probably the extreme of that where it wasn't nearly as dark as i was

02:31:25.520 planning and it was more like like sarcastic and amusing and not as gory you know i mean like but

02:31:31.700 it's it's almost like trying to break he makes these movies where they're almost trying to break

02:31:35.720 their own rules within them so it you never lose sight of the director's vision like sometimes you

02:31:42.520 can get lost in the film i'm never lost in a von trier film in the same way i might be lost in

02:31:49.200 like when we discussed stalker or something i'm very i'm very conscious that i'm watching

02:31:54.460 a von trier a large one true film just like i'm watching a quentin tarantino film it's i can

02:32:00.480 almost hear him narrating the movie because his voice is so you know what i mean like it's very

02:32:06.420 difficult for it to stand on its own but anyway we're getting off topic here yeah i think i mean

02:32:11.240 whatever disorder ligotti has i think von trier probably has the same thing the last thing i was

02:32:16.500 going to mention and i was going to ask you to just take a minute or two to describe spinal

02:32:20.440 catastrophism is that if people aren't familiar with with thomas legati you probably are and you

02:32:25.800 don't realize it because much of um true detective season one a lot of the um the lines and the

02:32:33.400 philosophy that's coming out of uh rust cole matthew mcconaughey is is called directly from

02:32:40.560 legati's conspiracy of the human race and to me that was the weakest part because i started

02:32:46.520 watching season one true detective again recently i really liked it the first time but i remember

02:32:50.940 thinking it dragged in the middle with a lot of rust scenes and i'm like you know what i'm coming

02:32:56.200 at this again with a fresh mind and once i get to episode three i'm like shut the fuck up honestly

02:33:02.300 like i i don't if someone else says time is a flat circle to me i'm gonna start my own rebellion

02:33:09.120 against life like it really does go on and on and i really do think those are the worst parts of the

02:33:15.200 season yeah yeah it gets a little too uh too too expository but um i mean we've kind of fleshed out

02:33:23.780 uh pessimism and nihilism if you want to take maybe a couple minutes dimes to just explain

02:33:29.840 you know your boy tommy moynahan's position yeah i might hammer it home for people so just to give

02:33:35.980 a brief overview of it uh spinal catastrophism it's a book by thomas moynahan that i believe

02:33:41.400 emerges from the ccru and if anyone's familiar with nick land or that school of thought this was

02:33:48.200 a kind of intellectual movement that really trippy stuff um sort of an intersection of

02:33:56.040 what would you call it kantian philosophy mixed with science fiction and then it's also um william

02:34:03.880 s burroughs it's a really trippy almost experimental i i would won't even call it

02:34:09.880 philosophy i would i've called in the past the first 21st century ideology maybe the only 21st

02:34:15.960 century ideology that's being developed in progress and so i would group spinal catastrophism in that

02:34:21.480 canon because it references so many of these ideas that emerge from the ccru which we cover on our

02:34:26.520 show we go i go through their collected writings from like 1994 up until like 2002 i might be

02:34:33.560 making those dates up but it's like an early 90s phenomenon but spawn cadastrophism in short

02:34:40.420 it's this idea that and this is going to sound really trippy and this is what's so interesting

02:34:46.540 about people like when you hear this you want to know more because you probably heard nothing like

02:34:50.480 this before and the same reasons people get swept up into Slavoj Zizek and these other thinkers

02:34:55.140 because it just hits you like a freight train but it's this idea that the spine is like the human

02:35:02.760 spine and its verticality is very distinct and very important. And that the verticality of our

02:35:10.560 spine, our spine is basically a record of trauma. That's the headline. Now, what does that mean?

02:35:19.120 That means that kind of our position away from the planet and our heads kind of rising up is

02:35:26.820 like a rebellion against the planet itself and he he frames this as like the spine being a record

02:35:33.960 of all the trauma that's been inflicted on us by the planets and that our rebellion against it

02:35:40.480 is the human intelligence has evolved over time for the sole purpose of avoiding trauma and this

02:35:49.140 if you're familiar with leftist philosophy trauma is extremely important just the general concept

02:35:55.440 of trauma and and how it's just a record of past experiences that's always with you unless you

02:36:02.160 interrogate it anyway the point being that in the in essence all humanity is is trying to avoid

02:36:09.120 trauma all of our advanced intelligence compared to other mammals is trying to outpace trauma and

02:36:14.400 that will if if we ever project ourselves amongst the stars that will be the reason

02:36:19.600 and there's all kinds of sort of poetry in there about how like what would you say they go into

02:36:26.760 like how if you go through the strata of a planet down to its core it's like going back in time

02:36:32.320 which is true in a sense if you understand that a planet is formed from the core outward i'm like

02:36:37.500 okay kind of like going into the rings of a tree sure and then he will contrast that against the

02:36:43.280 spine like going down the spine is like going back in time and like well that doesn't make any sense

02:36:49.320 not really if you know anything about spines if you're a spine head like me um and that's one

02:36:55.720 thing you know we got a lot of spine cells out there right now yes of spine cells but there's

02:37:00.520 some truth in that which says that um it makes the point that whenever a human is born they go

02:37:07.800 through every stage of their evolutionary process you know once your the egg is inseminated you know

02:37:13.640 there's that period when the human the embryo has a tail and then we get rid of the tail so it's

02:37:18.200 it's almost we're going through our own evolution right until we're born and that we'll eventually

02:37:22.940 transcend that and become transhuman. But we need to kind of travel through time as we're born. So

02:37:30.020 it's dealing with these real concepts. Like there is some science in there. There's a lot of

02:37:35.520 cosmological concepts that he kind of goes off into the weeds on. But really the center of

02:37:41.300 smile catastrophism is that you are a living record of your own trauma so forget about even

02:37:49.020 escaping it you are embodied trauma and your destiny is trying to accelerate the escape from

02:37:57.740 that and your destiny is almost to and i'm spoiling the end of the book here but the purpose

02:38:02.880 of human intelligence is effectively to destroy the universe and there and and there ladies and

02:38:09.000 gentlemen we have cosmic pessimism yeah it's and let me just say this it's not only to end the

02:38:16.820 universe to just put a hard terminus on the universe it's to create a fucking feedback loop

02:38:25.780 of conflagration that not only ends all life but can prevent any life from ever forming again

02:38:32.560 for eternity so it's it's it's creating a perpetual end which is much worse and much

02:38:39.260 more destructive that that's the anti-logos you know yeah it is is that's why i say it is anti-life

02:38:45.600 it is probably anti-life in the most the rawest form i've ever seen and if you want fucking was

02:38:52.340 it like six hours really going into the weeds on this i would recommend check out that three-parter

02:38:56.600 because you know there's a lot of i'm skipping here and if you want to go even further we cover

02:39:01.460 the early ccr you were writing so you could figure out how uh afro-atlantianism fits in all

02:39:07.000 that afro-atlantianism what's that well it's this what would you call it a fucking school of thought

02:39:13.640 i guess that says that well during the slave trade on the middle passage when slaves jumped over the

02:39:21.420 escaped slaves could jump over the ship into the atlantic ocean some of them survived and became

02:39:28.680 mermaids and and uh swam down to atlantis and so there's black mermaids in atlantis and then

02:39:34.920 hey if that sounds like something you want to know more about listen to blood satellite

02:39:39.120 but uh but anyway like you said it's um it's layering over like that's the whole thing with

02:39:46.120 this sort of um new ideology like it factors in fiction it factors in we're going to cite

02:39:52.600 sources that never existed that we're creating sort of a lore unto itself this this meme plex

02:39:59.480 that you can just inhabit more so than any other but that's why it's so comfortable fitting within

02:40:03.940 i think the larger realm of marxism because that's just theory upon theory upon theory

02:40:09.100 in a labyrinth you can really lose yourself in and some people like getting lost in that

02:40:12.660 anyway i don't want to that's interesting thinking about whether like cosmic pessimism

02:40:18.260 or nihilism has kind of a root in in marxism but but yeah so i mean like i said i didn't i didn't

02:40:24.680 want to just um have you on to to recapitulate stuff that that you and and prude do do provide

02:40:30.480 in detail but i was curious to explore this dimension of of it because you and prude mention

02:40:36.220 i think by the time of your second stream that you know you actually wound up hearing from people

02:40:41.180 that like they found this to be emotionally destabilizing, either, you know, going and

02:40:48.240 reading the book or listening to you guys talk about the book. People were talking about having

02:40:52.580 crises of faith or just finding this to be truly unsettling. I mean, I was teasing you both in our

02:40:59.140 group chat by, you know, posting, you know, the giga chat and the straitjacket meme. And, you

02:41:05.880 know i'm not saying i'm i don't want to tarnish my my image here i'm still a giga chad uh i'm not

02:41:12.580 saying i i need to be be institutionalized but i i do consider myself to be somebody who is

02:41:18.180 i don't know maybe i don't i hate to use the word like hypersensitive but like if i watch a von

02:41:23.420 trier film and for whatever reason i still i still force myself to like watch these movies and read

02:41:28.260 these books um or you know learn everything i i can about thomas lagatti i can't help myself but

02:41:34.320 I do find it like I will be kind of depressed for like a number of days if I watch a truly

02:41:44.360 kind of pessimistic film, or if I read a very nihilistic book, these things can, they have

02:41:51.080 some psychological impact on me. And it sounds like they have more, more so with, with other

02:41:56.540 people, but both you and Prude are, um, and I wanted to tie in a little bit the fact that you,

02:42:02.480 you guys are both Christian when it, when it comes to this, while you have this, uh, this

02:42:07.960 curiosity and this interest and you explore these, uh, these lines of, of thought, neither of you

02:42:15.660 seem to experience any kind of, um, uh, you don't, you don't succumb to the pessimism or the nihilism

02:42:21.680 even, even momentarily. Uh, and I, I mean, I, I asked this in part dimes, I guess this is my,

02:42:28.560 my first time I've mentioned this, uh, publicly on a, on a live stream, but I, I'm going to,

02:42:34.280 I, I, this weekend I will be initiated into the Roman Catholic church. I'll be receiving

02:42:39.220 the sacraments. Congratulations. I didn't say that to you before. I don't think.

02:42:43.620 Thank you. Thank you. And, and I, and I want to take my faith very seriously and I want to make

02:42:48.820 sure that it is not, um, challenged the next time I watch melancholia or I, or I, I happen to see

02:42:56.700 like a particularly ugly deep sea fish that's another thing i should have listed that bums me

02:43:02.040 out don't really ugly man like ugly ocean deep like mariana trunt trench uh aquatic life but

02:43:11.600 if you go to chinatown you will meet nick land and he will be eating a fucked up fish

02:43:16.560 but you i mean you guys keep your sense of humor you keep your wits about you you keep your your

02:43:24.860 your, your faith. Um, I think there is something to be said. Uh, you know, I mean, obviously this

02:43:30.620 man has fallen on hard times and, um, his reputation has diminished quite a lot, but,

02:43:36.740 but one thing that Jordan Peterson always said, said that has always stuck with me as at one

02:43:42.640 point he said, he said, um, it's always much easier for people to believe in hell than to

02:43:49.800 believe in heaven and and part of that is because everybody's been to hell um but there is something

02:43:56.180 just always kind of more um you don't find that cosmic like maybe this is what the the heritage

02:44:03.080 of marxism but uh pessimistic and and nihilistic metaphysics they they they tend to be materialist

02:44:11.860 arguments you don't like it's kind of a paradox you don't have to take a no cosmic pessimist is

02:44:18.180 asking you to take a leap of faith at least they don't think they are they think that they have a

02:44:23.540 kind of totalizing and comprehensive materialist worldview that is um that is worked out kind of

02:44:32.640 mathematically more concretely than any kind of um uh religious perspective yeah it's easier to be

02:44:40.940 negative i know that sounds like a very glib way of summarizing what you said which is very

02:44:45.680 thoughtful but uh it's easy anyone can say like the world sucks doesn't it you're kind of miserable

02:44:52.480 right and to make it better you need to be even more miserable like you're miserable when you're

02:44:57.500 fat and then you need to work harder to get in shape it sounds like the universe is always going

02:45:02.020 to be miserable so like why do anything it's actually the easiest conclusion to come to

02:45:08.340 And just to circle back to your earlier points about being challenged by this, I think you're destined to be challenged.

02:45:18.120 Knowing what I know about you, you're a curious person.

02:45:21.080 And so you find these things interesting.

02:45:22.660 It's the same thing.

02:45:23.500 What drives anyone to watch a Lars von Trier movie?

02:45:27.400 You're an odd guy, you know, just like me.

02:45:30.020 you like watching weird films but there's something in you that is always going to drive

02:45:34.920 you to do that to probe the shadows for just because you're curious um it's the same reason

02:45:41.740 that on the show you know why do we cover so many books on the show it's fucking crazy um it's not

02:45:48.400 because i just want to be the most pretentious guy on the arrestable right even though i am

02:45:56.500 It's because I'm just generally curious about this stuff.

02:45:58.800 Why did I decide to read Foucault?

02:46:00.800 Why did I decide to read Slavoj Zizek?

02:46:02.900 Why do I decide to read Anti-Oedipus?

02:46:05.320 It's just because I want to fucking know.

02:46:07.360 And if I wasn't doing the show, I'd probably still read it.

02:46:10.660 I'm just trying to format in a way that is helpful to other people

02:46:13.380 and to create a larger contextual framework to understand it.

02:46:18.180 And I think that's what will help you

02:46:19.700 because when you're confronted by something like spinal catastrophism,

02:46:23.100 just like you're confronted the first time

02:46:25.420 you watch a Von Trier movie or a Tarkovsky movie

02:46:28.360 or what's an even better example?

02:46:30.780 I'm trying to think of a good director.

02:46:32.100 You know, just a director that presents you something

02:46:35.020 and you didn't know that existed before.

02:46:37.000 You didn't know images and words

02:46:39.660 could exist in that configuration.

02:46:41.960 You know, some guys experience that

02:46:43.080 the first time they see anime.

02:46:45.000 I didn't know you could fucking do this, right?

02:46:47.180 And then you become obsessed

02:46:48.240 and it shakes your worldview.

02:46:49.820 But there's a lot of other examples.

02:46:51.780 Music is a great example.

02:46:52.960 you hear a genre first time you hear heavy metal or something you didn't think guitars could do

02:46:57.720 that and so you're shaken by it um that gets easier with time um but you're destined to always

02:47:05.200 be discovering these world shaking things things that challenge your faith um i i think it just

02:47:13.380 gets easier with time because we've read so much other stuff that i can actually look at something

02:47:18.820 like spinal catastrophism and compared to these other things say oh here's here's where you're

02:47:23.780 wrong here's where i think foundationally you are wrong so this isn't serious because if i really

02:47:30.240 took this seriously it's like oh my god this negates everything but it doesn't it's actually

02:47:34.460 kind of silly um you know one point just to i mentioned this on the trilogy of prude i said

02:47:41.340 i don't think thomas moynihan knows how spines work he has not explained how going down the

02:47:48.040 spine is like going down in time because the human spine does not in fact form from the bottom up or

02:47:54.540 the inside out like the earth does and that is a foundational premise of this entire superstructure

02:48:00.980 he's making so there's a lot of errors in it that just don't make sense like oh that so this whole

02:48:06.040 thing is just dumb it's just a thought experiment tying together a bunch of interesting things

02:48:10.860 however there's something illuminating inside of it there's something historically relevant

02:48:17.700 inside of it and that's what we're trying to latch on to where this might not be the the earth

02:48:23.700 shattering revelation that it thinks it is but there's stuff in here like even within marxist

02:48:29.940 thought like we are not allergic to marxist ideas you know i might disagree with the conclusions

02:48:34.640 of karl marx but some people say marx was stupid marx wasn't stupid only fucking retards say that

02:48:41.820 And if you actually read, I prefer the first volume of Capital. I don't really like the Engels stuff. I like his. You see a man who is very fiercely trying to get his head around the Industrial Revolution and this idea of surplus capital in a way that not a lot of people have done before.

02:49:01.180 So I very frequently don't like the end points of Marxist thinkers, but I do respect the genesis of their thinking, which is often looking at a problem that a lot of intellectuals on the right don't even want to look at.

02:49:18.400 And I give this example just because it's an extreme example, but even Foucault, when we talk about Madness and Civilization, that book.

02:49:25.340 Now, Foucault, who likes Foucault? He was the biggest degenerate you can imagine and a pedophile and, you know, everything back. But I'm like, well, that's the type of mind you would expect to look at the history of penal institutions and the history of imprisonment in the Western world.

02:49:43.560 And how has our relationship with criminality changed? Whereas once we exiled the criminals and then we began to imprison them to keep them, not just cast them out of society, but segment them, but keep them in society, which is an odd thing, isn't it?

02:50:01.100 And then not only keeping them on the fringes, but in many cases in city states, putting them at the center of society where, especially here in Canada, you could find prisons just in the city center.

02:50:12.440 So not only are the most extreme degeneracy or society segregated, but everyone is focused in them like they're ever present.

02:50:23.060 And what does that do to the mind of a society where you're always confronted by those who don't belong in society at the center of society that almost glorifies them and lionizes them?

02:50:32.420 Anyway, not to go too deep into that, but that's an interesting inquiry that might not emerge from someone, a traditionalist who says, yeah, fuck it, they're criminals.

02:50:42.180 Who cares?

02:50:42.840 We've always done this.

02:50:43.900 Well, not really.

02:50:44.920 We always haven't done it.

02:50:46.580 What's the psychological impact of this across time?

02:50:49.120 So anyway, I think that investigation was interesting.

02:50:52.420 And maybe that can only happen from a twisted, fucked up Marxist mind, but that's why I'm interested in it, because I hear them asking questions. Sometimes I don't hear asked elsewhere. And I can follow their chain of reasoning and actually pick which links don't work for me without that chain being used to shatter my entire, you know, structure of belief.

02:51:15.740 dimes not not not to pry and you can certainly decline decline to answer i'm curious if you're

02:51:23.120 um you're a cradle uh christian or if you were a uh a convert and i get the reason why just to

02:51:31.980 to to ask that i think it's something that interests me is i think something that forms

02:51:39.880 a lot of personalities is the sequence with which people can kind of encounter ideas.

02:51:47.520 You know, people that read Nick Land, I mean, you can read Nick Land and then you can become

02:51:53.300 a Catholic, like I myself am going to be that kind of Catholic. But I think you're always going to be

02:52:01.140 a bit of a particular kind of Catholic. That's a specific Catholic. And a Catholic who is Catholic

02:52:09.180 from birth onwards is going to encounter nick land very differently from somebody who kind of

02:52:17.040 begins in a um in a secular position to the world um so yeah i just don't know if you i mean if you

02:52:26.440 have thoughts on that and i and and if i mean i think you did you said you you you did convert

02:52:32.860 yeah yeah i did um and i agree with you completely where i think converts will

02:52:37.700 approach it more intellectually like my wife was a lifelong catholic as was her entire family

02:52:43.220 and so when you're a convert to catholicism you start doing some really wild stuff like reading

02:52:49.800 the bible um uh or in her case like you start doing you know i'm gonna read thomas aquinas

02:52:59.540 and i'll tell my wife and she'll say who you know i mean like you start you know when you

02:53:05.000 convert you have a lot of meetings with with your priest um or i did anyway and i i'm pretty sure

02:53:11.220 everyone else does it like like a dozen of them and um you start asking very pointed questions

02:53:17.260 and i'm a fucking spurg so i'm asking him weird shit too but uh for someone but you you will be

02:53:23.380 lacking that communal context you weren't raised up with the rituals you're maybe you're coming at

02:53:29.660 from a worse position so you're always interrogating it and maybe you shouldn't be

02:53:34.620 interrogating or maybe you should like i don't know that that's it doesn't come up a lot for me

02:53:39.680 i don't bring it up a lot on the show and that's not because i'm treating it as extra sacred it's

02:53:46.200 just because especially with catholicism i'll say i don't know my uh a good friend of mine by the

02:53:53.980 name of ryan turnip seed i don't know if you've ever spoken with him oh yeah i know ryan yeah

02:53:57.700 Yeah, he's a Lutheran. And I've interviewed him twice on the show. And he had introduced me to a really interesting idea. And I'm going to probably butcher it in the retelling. But Lutheranism, when they have a new convert, they have this period, or they call it a cage period or something, where it's like, when you're a new convert, you're full of piss and vinegar, you want to proselytize, you want to get in everyone's business about it. So they almost encourage you to shut up for two years.

02:54:21.380 like i know you're excited and this is a new thing for you but you really got to just just clam up

02:54:26.440 and keep it private and so that that that strange energy just tempers a little bit because you're

02:54:34.040 just going to embarrass yourself and a problem with a lot of catholics and i would argue even

02:54:37.540 a lot of eastern orthodox people it's like they become that and then they become fucking deus

02:54:41.960 volt motherfuckers they become like they become just experts and everything and they just like

02:54:47.880 I used to drink a lot, and then I haven't drank at all in several years.

02:54:53.660 And so some people, when they get sober, they become sobriety advocates,

02:54:58.140 and they're always talking about sobriety.

02:55:00.160 And that's centered in every fucking conversation they have.

02:55:03.200 It's always coming up.

02:55:04.660 And I don't like doing that because I kind of respect it,

02:55:08.460 and I don't think most people have an interest in it.

02:55:10.740 And I'm also trying not to treat it as a fandom.

02:55:15.940 You know what I mean?

02:55:16.360 try and use it as a uniform. And I think maybe I'm not the best Catholic. Maybe I shouldn't be

02:55:24.240 reading Spinal Catastrophism. Maybe I shouldn't be doing this podcast if I was a good Catholic.

02:55:29.440 So I'm an erring servant of the Lord, but I don't want to be a bad advertisement for it.

02:55:39.380 So it's something that I don't try to be an expert on. And there's a lot of experts in our

02:55:44.780 space there's a lot of people who will you know a good example i think um who are those guys who

02:55:52.020 run stone choir i know they're not yeah but but they're yeah those guys like they can go deep

02:55:58.320 into all this stuff and i'm not trying to compete with them so like yeah i know there's types of

02:56:03.060 people out there who are great at this there are plenty of very very and i and i i think it's

02:56:08.060 admirable, like just modest people that just decide, you know, that they are Christian, but

02:56:13.840 they're, they're not, um, the most, it's not their, their greatest expertise. It's not their

02:56:20.700 greatest asset. They maybe feel like they're not the greatest exemplar, you know, Jay Burden

02:56:25.460 mentions this on occasion. And then there are just people where like, you know, I don't know

02:56:29.240 if you know, Athenian stranger, but you know, he's, he's a Christian and he never talks about

02:56:34.040 it because he's uh you know his profession his his vocation is philosophy um so i think that

02:56:42.520 that's a perfectly um defensible position to kind of hold back on that kind of thing i will say

02:56:47.900 dimes i plan to go as soon as i um uh am baptized i'm going like full rorschach like i'm gonna be

02:56:55.260 i'm gonna be standing out of that church to be like you you that you don't look yeah no no you

02:56:59.940 you you got to go to confession like i'm just going to be in everybody's business 0.87

02:57:03.540 that's what a lot of women do too i've seen that like women they they convert um to let's just say 1.00

02:57:12.140 cleanse their cleanse the library of sins that they've reached by 25 and uh then they get really

02:57:20.000 passionate about which is their prerogative they're they're a passionate people but um you

02:57:25.440 know that i don't want to do that myself um but yeah like even i'm still the one in my marriage

02:57:31.160 sometimes my wife doesn't want to go to church but i'm like no we have to that's the rule and

02:57:35.460 i'm new i got a fucking i got eyes on me you don't yeah yeah i get it well i i do plan to

02:57:44.340 be a spurg but hopefully i'll be a very low-key spurg when it comes to that i mean christ there's

02:57:49.840 a lot of reading you could do like if you're in catholicism and eastern orthodoxy like there's

02:57:54.660 no shortage of fucking theology to lose yourself in oh yeah yeah no and i plan to do that too i

02:58:00.340 mean i i am i will say this this is part of what um maybe this would be helpful for other people

02:58:06.980 too part of what pulls me back is that i i realize that i am just sort of a um an empty vessel

02:58:14.320 like a i i don't know a sponge because if i um yeah if i read lagati or or land i might be kind

02:58:24.100 of followed around by this dark cloud all day but um it's an it's uh equally that that that works

02:58:33.320 equally well for like reading c.s lewis or reading um thomas aquinas uh i i can fill that that hole

02:58:41.580 inside me with with light and it absorbs the light just as kind of easily as it does the darkness

02:58:47.580 um and that's one of the few things that kind of brings me back to a uh a balance is that

02:58:54.840 i just sort of say to myself oh wait what have i been reading okay maybe read um uh you know

02:59:03.060 theology or something and theology is very very imposing and that's why back to what we were saying

02:59:09.460 before about how you can survive being confronted with these new ideas like as i said the more you

02:59:15.740 internalize and the more you experience the less scary all of it is and the more confident you will

02:59:21.500 be in your beliefs and who you are and what you because a lot of people they have their values

02:59:27.920 that they've just gathered secondhand from listening to people watching videos from people

02:59:32.800 who listen to someone else who read a book you know there's a lot of those guys out there so

02:59:37.260 you think you have an idea but you just have this you know copy of a copy it's like simulacra of an

02:59:43.140 idea that's probably been you know misinterpreted and then misconstrued in some way so that that's

02:59:50.740 um if you're the type of person who really wants to with certitude say what you believe and and

02:59:57.320 have a command of your historical context and your sort of cartesian location and all of

03:00:03.080 intellectual you don't need to read everything but you can read enough things that you know

03:00:08.640 what areas to avoid and you can kind of become a jack of all jack of all trades bad way to say it

03:00:14.120 but like you know the the intellectual world will become less dark and imposing you'll start to see

03:00:19.980 that a lot of this is silly and a lot of it is just repetitive or like maybe you can just write

03:00:27.100 off german idealism if you know what i mean like you know like oh i don't i don't like that right

03:00:32.140 um and you've heard about it you've heard about spoken with reverence but maybe

03:00:36.780 you just think it's full of shit but you won't know until you actually delve into it you know

03:00:41.440 one thing i always said to my co-host judas one of the reasons i travel i said i want to

03:00:46.180 go around the world and come back home and say it ain't shit just the world like i saw it all

03:00:51.920 fuck the world i like it here so part of me just wants to read all this stuff and say this is all

03:00:56.080 fucking gay and i'm just gonna fucking lift now having experienced in all of it and i got my

03:01:04.220 credentials this sucks you're all crazy what about like uh when you see really ugly deep sea fish

03:01:10.300 though dimes let's like you know change forget just really ugly fish i wanted to address uh

03:01:16.500 sean schaefer here this is an important question last things or dimes have you played the game

03:01:20.720 dead space i think it was the first time i played a game that used cosmic horror effectively i mean

03:01:25.880 i've beaten dead space three times because after you beat you can do the new game plus and then

03:01:31.060 started over again with all your weapons and all your your attributes i beat the first two of them

03:01:36.560 like at least twice or three times each just to do that because i liked it so much dead space is

03:01:43.260 such a good game they fucking remade it like like three times they just remade dead space again and

03:01:49.700 i hear it's not like they remade dead space and the first one looks good like you can play the

03:01:54.020 very first dead space right now and it's in a great game it didn't need better graphics you

03:01:59.660 mean um have you ever played dead space i i have not i i kind of i gave up video games a long time

03:02:07.180 ago um i occasionally have nostalgia about it but i don't think i could juggle it along with my kids

03:02:13.420 but my question to you dimes is it when you beat dead space did it did that did you overcome your

03:02:19.180 inner inner despair upon defeating the game did you overcome your cosmic horror no you want to know

03:02:26.700 So the thing about cosmic horror, it's not as depressing as like the movie Aniara, because we'll talk about that in a second.

03:02:39.280 But Dead Space, it's more of like a sci-fi horror monster thing about this alien species that kind of turns corpses into these monsters.

03:02:49.260 So it's like reanimated corpse monsters and a space station.

03:02:52.300 um and you're just like an engineer who needs to and your entire suit is like an engineer suit and

03:02:58.740 you're trying to find your wife who's lost on there so it's actually just a good a straight

03:03:03.180 good story um and it the way it ends it leads into the second one too so it's like a trilogy

03:03:09.380 and it gets bigger and bigger every time and kind of loses its focus but um i i didn't it

03:03:15.240 didn't cure my despair i guess because um the idea was there's sort of like dark magic lurking

03:03:22.280 it's very lovecraftian the story if you really get into it um but it kind of touches on this idea

03:03:30.080 that you know there's things lurking in space that can just you know and maybe this is how

03:03:37.480 we jump into the second part of of the what you want to talk about which is whether sure be

03:03:43.840 optimistic about space at all um i just want to talk about this movie that i've talked about before

03:03:51.780 I think I talked about it on the show, but I'm not trying to make a movie segment here.

03:03:56.880 But it's this, I think it's a German movie called Aniara.

03:04:01.140 Let me look.

03:04:02.860 I would have seen this a couple of years ago.

03:04:05.040 You might call this a hard sci-fi movie.

03:04:09.240 Why can't I fucking spell?

03:04:10.820 I must be a shithead.

03:04:15.300 I've misspelled Aniara three times, so I'm not going to even Google it anymore.

03:04:18.820 So anyway, look it up.

03:04:19.760 basically hard sci-fi movie a story of a huge freighter ship uh leaving from earth on the way

03:04:26.460 to it's either the moon or mars right it's got like fucking it's got uh nuclear reactors enough

03:04:33.040 internal ecosystem to generate its own food it's like a it was like a big cruise ship in a sense

03:04:39.660 and it's on its way to mars and something happens gets hit by a meteor storm out of nowhere um

03:04:46.200 knocks it off course and they need to it hits their nuclear reactor so they need to basically

03:04:51.060 detonate it so they don't have enough swedish film there we go it doesn't have enough fuel

03:04:56.260 to get back on course so they're just drifting out into deep space right that's how it starts

03:05:01.800 and then the entire you're just following the story of all these people on the ship trying to

03:05:07.040 figure out what to do next and there's no immediate threat that they're going to starve

03:05:10.960 or lose oxygen so

03:05:12.940 that doesn't come in until later but remove that

03:05:14.880 right and they're saying

03:05:16.820 oh well they're going to come and find us of course

03:05:18.900 they're going to send a rescue mission it's going to take

03:05:20.900 a couple years but you know

03:05:22.540 we were prepared for a long

03:05:24.780 journey by degrees over the

03:05:26.840 course of the film you learn oh no one's coming to

03:05:28.820 help us we're just

03:05:30.560 we're going in a deep space

03:05:32.140 and what are we going to do I guess this is just

03:05:34.860 what we do now and hoping that

03:05:36.820 something happens hoping that we can get a signal out

03:05:38.900 and there's this

03:05:40.960 The scene that has really stuck with me, that at some point, midway through the film, they find out all their technology is still functioning. There is some kind of object that is going to intersect with their path perfectly, as if it was designed to do it, right?

03:05:58.060 and it looks to be man-made

03:06:01.300 and it's right for them.

03:06:02.420 Oh my God, this is a message.

03:06:04.160 It's a package from Earth

03:06:06.360 that can help us figure this out.

03:06:08.320 So they get it.

03:06:09.160 They bring it on board

03:06:09.980 and it looks fashioned by an intelligence.

03:06:12.880 It's like a smooth cylinder.

03:06:15.640 And they're looking at it

03:06:16.960 and they can't figure out how to open it.

03:06:18.860 Like, what is this?

03:06:20.520 And then they slowly begin to learn like,

03:06:22.600 oh, this wasn't sent from Earth.

03:06:25.040 This wasn't sent.

03:06:25.900 This is, we don't know what it is.

03:06:27.580 It could be extraterrestrial.

03:06:29.300 It could be extraterrestrial sent to us on purpose.

03:06:31.640 It could be space.

03:06:32.500 It could be completely random.

03:06:34.160 It seems crazy that it could be completely random.

03:06:36.320 But whatever this is, it can't help us, even though it might be designed by an extraterrestrial intelligence.

03:06:45.380 And that just stuck with me.

03:06:47.260 There's all these things lurking in space that you could interpret as communication, or it could just be nothing, or you just could lack the tools to interpret it.

03:06:57.000 It wasn't meant for you then. Maybe you needed a type of technology that could interface with it that we just don't have yet. But there's just all these kind of dark spots of the universe that might not be meant for our interpretation right now.

03:07:11.420 and that's one of the things i liked about spinal catastrophism um and it's uh i wouldn't call it a

03:07:19.000 phenomenological thing but it's this idea he gets this idea that um every advance there's other

03:07:25.960 advanced intelligences in the universe and they all try and rebel against their own bodies rebel

03:07:32.800 against their own planets um and so intelligences kind of like evolve to different forms long story

03:07:40.840 short he was saying things like quasars could actually be mass collective intelligences or

03:07:45.760 that intelligence evolves not not in a materialistic way it almost evolves away from materialism and

03:07:54.780 into ethereal forms and that intelligent life could actually be woven all throughout the universe

03:08:01.520 and instead of the universe being largely dead and inert it's actually teeming with life down

03:08:07.300 to the microscopic level um it's all intelligent but it's just not intelligence that we could

03:08:12.360 interface with in any given way which is a an interesting optimistic way of looking at it

03:08:17.820 um it's kind of interesting to see that buried within that very nihilistic work but um yeah it's

03:08:25.680 it's and i'm getting off topic here i'm just trying to look at the comments here as well

03:08:29.800 um anyway so that that's kind of what i want to talk about anyar leading into the next part which

03:08:34.540 is should we be optimistic generally about going into space and i gave you a lot of information

03:08:43.020 there do you have any thoughts on what i said well yeah let me i i guess i'll i'll set this up

03:08:47.660 a bit for a minute here because my um my title for the scream is is uh you know cosmic horrors

03:08:55.080 and cosmic frontiers um i think this does kind of tie things down um and maybe put a bit bit of a

03:09:03.420 contextual nature to this topic. Because when I was thinking about this as a topic for us to

03:09:12.920 discuss dimes, I noticed a trend on kind of right-wing Twitter, particularly kind of circulating

03:09:21.540 around Elon Musk, that obviously there's this huge kind of burst of optimism with Trump and

03:09:29.880 with the alliance that Trump formed with Elon Musk.

03:09:34.800 You know, it's impossible kind of not to admire

03:09:37.000 a man like Elon.

03:09:38.460 And what people are saying is that, you know,

03:09:39.980 he is giving us back the stars.

03:09:42.320 He's going to open a new frontier.

03:09:45.540 Part of the, you know, and we can argue about

03:09:48.300 just how kind of over the top all of this optimism is,

03:09:51.200 but, you know, this is the age of liberalism is dead

03:09:54.620 and the age of, you know, space frontiersmanship

03:09:58.620 is uh is at hand um you know i i actually this is this is very narcissistic but like i i even

03:10:07.320 kept a uh a tweet of mine up here that was just about space exploration this is me commenting

03:10:16.440 on somebody who's praising space exploration but you can see the um down here uh the stars are a

03:10:23.460 gift from god a canvas of hope a shared dream and eternal yearning calling us and inspiring

03:10:28.340 the human spirit. We will proclaim the glory of his name in the ethereal glow of their noble hues

03:10:33.980 wrought by his own hand and you will tremble. So there's a, I mean, that's a very common

03:10:39.680 right-wing tweet with regards to Musk. And I think there is a, I guess, an interesting kind of

03:10:48.980 observation to be made about both like literary, artistic, and philosophical movements and how they

03:10:57.060 are often sort of downstream of certain kind of scientific innovations and specifically

03:11:04.580 things that kind of re-situate mankind's place in the universe and the cosmos and how we

03:11:13.720 conceptualize of ourselves.

03:11:16.980 You know, one concept that I was talking about a couple of weeks ago with ancient philosophy

03:11:24.000 who i had on was you know with the ancients like you know the greeks had this concept of

03:11:29.920 to be a a lover of truth like that was sort of the ideal you know philosopher king was somebody who

03:11:36.820 who loved truth um but you know after in in modern times whether one can can honestly

03:11:47.500 ever be a lover of truth or, or cultivate a lover of truth in their children is, is really an open

03:11:55.480 question because truth, uh, might just be, be, be somewhat ugly once you know too much about the

03:12:04.880 cosmos. Um, you know, one story I've always been told, and I, I don't know if this is apocryphal,

03:12:10.940 somebody who knows more about Lovecraft than me is probably gonna, um, wave their finger, but,

03:12:15.700 But, you know, Lovecraft was somebody who was really into like Lord Dunsany's fiction, which I always thought you said Lord Dunsany, but apparently it's Dunsany.

03:12:25.960 I don't know who wrote these kind of kind of beautiful kind of fairy stories of these kind of gods in this very pastoral universe.

03:12:36.200 And it was only after kind of Lovecraft grew up and kind of learned more about astronomy that he kind of created his own cosmology of these these, you know, insane gods, because he couldn't have the perspective of Lord Dunsany.

03:12:55.120 yeah also just to comment on mergoot's comment here lovecraft isn't depressing for me that's

03:13:01.220 the vibe i got from it too like whenever i would like at the mountains of madness is not a depressing

03:13:06.640 story it's almost like a pulp adventure story where going into like the uh hidden city in

03:13:13.140 antarctica it's just like a cool interesting heroic story um and a lot of it is just just

03:13:19.740 work as good interesting horror stories and it was never just existentially cataclysmic for me

03:13:26.400 it is if you kind of dwell on it and some of the themes he's talking about but uh yeah i just

03:13:32.560 thought it was cool to get my uh yeah i guess to to pitch this to you i i guess my question is you

03:13:40.240 know if if musk is successful and we don't even have to really wait for him to be successful

03:13:44.580 necessarily. There might just be this sort of new resurgence of optimism

03:13:51.320 with regards to Mars or the cosmos that has this effect of allowing humanity to kind of

03:13:59.920 recenter itself somehow. Like, you know, oh, like our manifest destiny is returned. And now we are

03:14:06.240 meant to colonize the stars. And that does kind of put us back in the, you know, the role of

03:14:13.640 protagonist right like cosmic protagonist we're no longer you know this uh you know what darwin

03:14:20.260 tells us we are or we're no longer this this speck of dust like we are so back um and i wonder how

03:14:27.840 you react to that kind of um that kind of i don't know if this is something that you noticed too on

03:14:33.240 the right but this like what i call space optimism we talked about space pessimism now there's a space

03:14:38.800 optimism i think the official term that they would use would be a techno optimism and space optimism

03:14:45.120 is bound up in that um people might know this as the e-acceleration movement e slash acc

03:14:51.440 on my paywall show real secret coffee hours many months ago i covered mark andreessen he wrote the

03:14:59.820 tech optimist manifesto if people want to know more about the very poorly written in my opinion

03:15:07.960 but the sort of enthusiastic backing behind this you could read that it's free you can just look up

03:15:13.260 tech the tech optimist manifesto and read it um although i will say just to really briefly dimes

03:15:20.080 like i feel like a lot of people that you know think that sam altman is an idiot and do not get

03:15:26.000 like people that hate every other kind of like tech guru and silicon valley kind of um you know

03:15:34.520 randian kind of optimism can still get suckered into the like oh we are gonna we are gonna

03:15:41.600 colonize mars baby right like it it appeals to a different type of person because a lot of them

03:15:48.360 are just branching off of ray curse wild and and the uh singularity concept which he's been working

03:15:54.820 on since christ i don't know the 70s 80s uh but their take is that technological progress the

03:16:01.420 tech singularity where everything converges and artificial intelligence is achieved in totality

03:16:08.520 and that the acceleration of technology just breaks from our bounds that's going to happen by

03:16:14.180 i think he gave the date of 2030 so it's just i think he gave a hard date for when that's going

03:16:19.380 to happen but a lot of it's branching off from that which which means it's inevitable and if you

03:16:24.020 read uh nick land and these other people like accelerationist kind of means that it's going to

03:16:29.920 happen no matter what so we might as well run towards it and at least try and control it it

03:16:35.520 makes no sense in trying to stop it that's where they're coming from so a lot of these guys they're

03:16:39.880 choosing to be optimistic because they're consigned to the belief that we can't do anything about this

03:16:45.640 and when they say we will populate the stars they really mean that they mean it's going to happen

03:16:51.440 whether or not it's good or bad um and so that just we'll start with that we'll just to give some

03:16:58.020 context about who it is who's saying this and i think there's a lot of people on the right

03:17:01.420 especially you know in the distant right who just kind of want to

03:17:06.260 okay so i'll start with two ideas here one from let's say a catholic perspective one it's that

03:17:15.820 on one hand you could say that the catholic perspective is to proliferate life say yes to

03:17:22.260 life. It's one of the biggest things any priest is going to tell you. That's why they're so

03:17:27.680 anti-contraception and so anti-abortion because you must be life affirming. That's the purpose

03:17:32.360 of the church and preserve life. So you should have as many babies and you should try and spread

03:17:37.140 life as widely as possible. Okay. So in one sense, you could interpret that as we must populate every

03:17:44.320 planet in existence with human life but i'm off i often feel like i'm my entire life is is a

03:17:52.560 a dialectic tension between these two opposing thoughts because while i do believe that is

03:17:58.720 true the other truth i can't escape is that i don't think god wants you to leave earth

03:18:04.200 if we're taking this seriously i don't think god wants us to leave earth because and scientifically

03:18:11.080 I think if you try and populate other planets, let's say it's the moon, let's say it's Mars, you will not be human anymore.

03:18:20.820 You'll not be creating human beings.

03:18:22.900 You'll be creating Martians.

03:18:25.260 And even the slightest difference, and we understand this even historically when we have these diaspora cultures, when we have the Anglos, and when you look at the creation of America, the Boers, everywhere.

03:18:38.460 You create a new type of person, even on Earth, when you colonize other countries.

03:18:43.100 The French understood this better than anyone, and they had a policy of interbreeding with the natives, and that's what happened in the Canadian colonies as well.

03:18:52.340 My friend Fortesax probably has some more information on that, but we discussed that on our show back in the day.

03:18:57.320 And the Spanish know this perhaps better than anyone's.

03:19:00.020 But there's this idea that even that the center of civilizational power, when it creates these other colonies, you're kind of creating a connected group, but they are a distinct group.

03:19:09.920 So just multiply that by 2 million.

03:19:13.360 You know, when you have the third generation of people raised on Mars, you don't have earthlings, you don't have human beings, you have something else.

03:19:21.920 the differences in the gravity the differences in the climate the differences in the food the

03:19:26.960 differences of knowing that you're on a different planet you will begin to evolve in a radically

03:19:32.840 different um direction and that's why i have no patience for things like the foundation series

03:19:40.680 or really any science fiction that says oh yeah we're just going to kind of replicate cities and

03:19:45.080 on an ocean world or a jungle world it's like no you're creating like a different almost different

03:19:50.580 species entirely when you do that. And there's no reason to believe that they would just respect

03:19:55.160 Earth as the center of power forever. So I, on a very baseline level, believe that. Sure,

03:20:01.820 there is something within me. There's something within many of us. My friend,

03:20:08.640 Dr. Ricardo Deschenes, we call this the Faustian spirit. He's a Canadian intellectual. And he says

03:20:15.520 the Western man is possessed by a Faustian spirit. I don't really like that terminology

03:20:19.240 because I don't like using Faust as the benchmark for what drives us.

03:20:23.620 But there's something, I think, unique to the Western mind

03:20:27.000 that wants to explore the unknown, that wants to travel the oceans.

03:20:33.300 It's what drove us to do these things.

03:20:35.960 We want to go to the moon because it is there.

03:20:40.280 And it seems obvious to me that black people don't understand that.

03:20:44.860 It seems to me that it was Europeans that were obsessed with exploring the stars, and if India decides to send a probe into space, it's just to keep up with the West.

03:20:59.380 There's no reason to believe that fucking China would ever want to go to the moon unless America went to the moon first.

03:21:05.560 It's just not in them.

03:21:07.120 It's not that crazed desire to go there.

03:21:10.260 So there is that, and I can't deny that.

03:21:12.780 And that's a genetic biological drive. However, religiously, I think, you know, God will say like, you're, you're abandoning the planet, you're abandoning your context, you're abandoning the place that you are tailor made to thrive in and putting yourself in a place that it will be hostile to you until you adapt to that.

03:21:35.460 and by adapting you will become something other than human so that's that's my perspective and

03:21:40.840 i believe that you need to understand that if you want to talk about this seriously

03:21:46.620 and that's why when people are just like these tech optimists they're not serious

03:21:51.040 i don't see them as serious people if we're taking them seriously and they're like this is just going

03:21:55.340 to be great we're going to populate the stars like shut the fuck up faggot no like that's not

03:21:59.540 how this works like think about it for five minutes like if we're just having fun if we're

03:22:05.080 having a thought experiment it's like it's gonna be great when we could all fucking have jetpacks

03:22:10.080 and then evolve like even with thomas moynahan it's like in the future we'll just be heads

03:22:15.480 attached to spines like okay cool yeah thanks thanks for writing that down thanks for birthing

03:22:20.340 that dipshit idea whatever but you know but if we're actually saying is this something you think

03:22:24.640 is going to happen then and you have money and you have influence and you can hire people to get

03:22:32.220 there like if elon musk is not i think elon musk is probably the most realistic he he speaks about

03:22:38.460 ai as if it's a nuke which is good that means he's he's treating it seriously if you're talking

03:22:44.840 about populating the plants like oh it's just going to be a cool thing that we're destined to

03:22:48.580 do i hope you die freezing and suffocating in space because you will and i'll be right you know

03:22:55.600 like you you are just creating a new realm of agony and unless you i have to i have to believe

03:23:02.060 that they're just choosing not to do that they just want to write silly fucking moronic manifestos

03:23:07.840 and have little conferences where everyone's just eating jalapeno poppers and dressing casual and

03:23:14.080 try to say maybe crypto can get us to mars and just you know and then maybe one day i show up

03:23:18.520 with a gun and then everyone has a parade for me every year you know what i mean but like if

03:23:23.500 but if we're treating this seriously and you're not at least including pessimism in the discussion

03:23:29.680 that there's something else going on either you're a bad actor or you're wasting my time

03:23:36.520 yeah i mean i i think i share uh it's a similar um what i'll call skepticism as opposed to to

03:23:47.280 to pessimism um with you dimes it's um it's interesting to to to consider that

03:23:57.180 you know there's i mean the trad the trad right what i'll call the trad right is sort of you know

03:24:05.180 overjoyed understandably so at the trump presidency um i think that the kind of uh

03:24:12.560 globalism globo homo uh has been struck a mighty blow i don't know if we've you know killed

03:24:20.080 globalism but uh there's uh there's there's a type of trump supporter who's you know probably

03:24:31.020 a nationalist probably religious uh who's overjoyed because this is an opportunity for

03:24:38.300 people to kind of get their home back or sort of reassert a kind of identity or a

03:24:46.500 sense of belonging as opposed to being subsumed by the Borg hive mind of progressive

03:24:57.140 uh, globalism, but it's not, and it's, it was not through allying with that, those people who I

03:25:08.680 don't really think have any power. We, we, we didn't then, and we don't now, uh, that allowed

03:25:15.960 Donald Trump to be victorious. I think Donald Trump was victorious because he aligned with

03:25:21.840 somebody with a Faustian who wants desperately to get to Mars, which is, I think, again, there

03:25:32.860 are things to admire about that ambition and that spirit. And I'm not trying to say that Elon Musk

03:25:39.740 is not a very smart, very historically significant man, but those are pretty antithetical desires,

03:25:47.940 like the people that want a homeland or to maintain a certain kind of stable uh folk culture

03:25:56.560 or um national identity and and really reside like just have the earth have their corner of

03:26:04.960 the earth back and have it uh somewhat secure for at least you know a generation or two

03:26:11.240 so what do you make of that like that tension a lot of people on the right they are excited about

03:26:16.740 space travel because they just want to have hyperborea and that's it and that's fine but

03:26:22.340 it's just like i'm tired of living around africans if we're being honest that's why they want to go

03:26:26.680 into space it's like i've resigned myself to understanding that i cannot live by my with my

03:26:33.560 own people over here. So maybe I'll try it in Alpha Centauri or something. Um, but sorry,

03:26:40.780 what was the second part of that question? Uh, I guess just the, the, the tension between

03:26:46.080 there's the, the trad right advocates of Trump, um, who maybe, you know, form his base or a

03:26:54.320 considerable portion of the base. And then there's, um, Elon. And I guess, you know, I guess

03:27:00.620 i don't know i i don't ever get the sense from from trump either way that he cares deeply about

03:27:07.440 um people's you know westerners being able to maintain their native culture i think i think

03:27:14.780 jd vance is sort of supposed to be the the figurehead although he's a bit of a plastic

03:27:19.480 one for the sort of you know quote-unquote heritage american trad um you know white dude

03:27:26.180 who's probably not going to be one of the first families that gets a condo on mars so jd at least

03:27:33.360 is interesting and also just an earlier point you made i think people would be mistaken and

03:27:38.660 believing that trump is anti-globalist just because he wants to bring manufacturing back

03:27:44.640 and do french shoring doesn't mean he's anti-globalist he just wants to win at globalism

03:27:48.860 he's not anti-trade he's not anti global you know markets but he is america first in the sense that

03:27:55.740 he wants to dominate the globalist sphere but i don't think ideologically he's really aligned

03:28:01.240 with that just like i think anyone who pays attention understands that he's not really

03:28:04.680 ideologically aligned with them on most things i think you've intuited that as well like he's

03:28:10.260 not some kind of ethno-nationalist um maybe he is secretly but hey look trying to guess what

03:28:16.600 trump secretly believes got you in trouble the first time this fucking happened people so maybe

03:28:21.560 let's be let's be grown-ups this time like stop projecting your shit onto this guy however jd

03:28:27.300 vance is interesting hey i like some of his picks too i'm optimistic i'm not trying to piss in

03:28:32.040 everyone stew i'm not like an answer i get it i get it don't jump down my fucking throat people

03:28:37.240 i like owning the libs as much as anyone but can we just be fucking real for a second can we have

03:28:42.600 can we just remember we've been here before and then into remember how it felt when you saw jared

03:28:48.480 kushner whispering in his ear a lot where did that come from just understand what it felt like to be

03:28:53.260 surprised and realize you can maybe be surprised again and how to prepare for that anyway i'm not

03:28:57.540 trying to make a trump thing here but yeah yeah it's just it's just interesting to um and to keep

03:29:04.340 this you know to keep the conversation centered around around the cosmos it's just it's interesting

03:29:09.220 to see people celebrate this frontier aspect to the victory as opposed to just you know like i i

03:29:20.460 just want the shire man yeah i don't want i don't want my son to be a a martian astronaut like that's

03:29:28.580 it seems like one i would miss him i would like him to actually you know stay close to his family

03:29:34.360 i imagine that he would it would be kind of claustrophobic because they're probably putting

03:29:39.240 them in like a tiny box yeah that you know that matt damon movie sound like looked kind of scary

03:29:44.960 like i don't want my son to go tomorrow it's funny because it is really the natural extension

03:29:51.320 of the libertarian plea to i just want to be left alone and i just say brother shanique was

03:29:57.920 going to follow you to alpha centauri that's how this works you're going to be paying for welfare

03:30:04.520 three galaxies away from here yeah if they can they're going to follow you just like they followed

03:30:09.500 you everywhere else that's how they that's how they function so if you want to build the shire

03:30:14.140 it kind of has to be here you can't cover up your surrender as you know a frontiersmanship

03:30:22.840 this kind of brings me to i i guess the third kind of subject and maybe where we kind of

03:30:29.600 strike a middle ground between the the cosmic pessimism and the cosmic uh the optimism of the

03:30:35.540 cosmic frontier because i sort of i i quote tweeted this uh space optimist here no offense vagrant of

03:30:43.120 roads uh and i just sort of said space exploration seems to be trending lately and providing a white

03:30:48.900 pill to many. I wish I could get behind it, but I'm afraid I'm with Tarkovsky on this one and am

03:30:53.820 convinced the only things waiting for us at the outermost edges of the galaxy are the ghosts of

03:30:59.240 my former lovers. Now, this is a reference to a director that I know you and I both love.

03:31:07.740 Dimes' contribution to the last Picture Show's film festival this year is actually Stalker,

03:31:13.260 um which is another one of tarkovsky's films i'm alluding to solaris which is his his space film

03:31:19.460 and it's a space film that he actually uh uh directed as kind of a response to kubrick's

03:31:25.640 2001 um he he felt like it sort of lacked a certain humanity um and just to to situate the

03:31:35.760 conversation i will very very briefly kind of describe just the major yeah i almost wish i

03:31:41.200 didn't know that too because if you just take his solaris as its own movie you say oh this is

03:31:46.980 a great movie but if you know it's a response to 2001 like oh this is way worse like you should

03:31:52.160 don't even put yourself up against that come on yeah i mean maybe yeah i agree i mean i i prefer

03:32:01.140 to just consider the movie in in isolation but it's essentially about this um this man who's i

03:32:06.580 don't know what you'd call him like a space psychologist but he travels to this um this

03:32:11.900 distant uh observatory on this distant planet that we have discovered so there's i guess you

03:32:18.300 know there's space travel there's interstellar travel um and it's this watery planet and he's

03:32:24.880 there to kind of observe the crew because there's just strange happenings going on here and what

03:32:30.960 What is happening is that this new planet is basically, can sort of read the minds of the crew members and is beginning to sort of present them with these phantasms of their past, like their lost loves, people from their lives.

03:32:52.020 uh and what happens to the uh the hero in the film is that his uh his his wife his former wife

03:33:00.800 who killed herself is basically kind of uh reborn in the form of this kind of phantom who uh haunts

03:33:09.900 him on the uh on the space station and i think this this honestly there are a lot of films there

03:33:17.560 a lot of uh science fiction films that take a cue from solaris so like event horizon well i think

03:33:24.160 that has a lot more you know overt kind of religious overtones and it's much more explicitly

03:33:28.480 a horror film has that same element in it um there's the rumor that started off as a 40k

03:33:35.380 movie yeah yeah i mean i can i can kind of see that i don't even buy it because like aside for

03:33:41.240 it's like oh what if you went to the war but there's nothing else that's 40k related in this

03:33:45.420 though you know what i mean other than like the ship looks a little bit like a um a 40k ship but

03:33:52.280 i i agree yeah there's nothing like uh games workshoppy about it but yeah but so i mean there

03:33:58.820 are other you can probably think of these what i call uh space humanism you know like moon with

03:34:06.240 sam rockwell ad astra there was a film with adam sandler spaceman that came out last year where

03:34:12.300 it's sort of like you get to the edge of the galaxy and what you in fact find there waiting

03:34:18.700 for you is simply your your humanity you know your uh it's it's elton john's rocket man

03:34:27.600 in a nutshell narratively to me that seems like a cop-out like i don't fuck man that's just my

03:34:34.320 bias i don't that's like the movie contact you know at the very end they meet the alien and the

03:34:39.780 alien intelligence as her dead father i fuck off like it's cheap to me i don't i know that's

03:34:47.620 heresy to say but you get you go to the deepest edges of mind-bending space and you confront

03:34:53.520 your father oh my god so it could have been a mountain so it could have been an island so it

03:34:58.460 could have been fucking you're just using space as a framing device for this it could have been

03:35:04.000 fucking anything whereas 2001 actually treated the fringes of space the way deserved to be treated

03:35:10.780 very rarely do they do that it's just lazy fucking fiction i'm going to tell this dad's story but in

03:35:17.460 space and because you don't have an interest in space the movie just fucking sucks you know what

03:35:22.980 i mean yeah i'm not trying to defend all of these these movies and i think solaris is is a head

03:35:30.200 above them but it does seem to be saying something about um i i guess it's it's it's

03:35:36.840 indicting this kind of frontiersmanship with uh it's it it's really just kind of this veiled

03:35:44.620 attempt to escape human subjectivity you know um the uh because because the entire point of the

03:35:53.740 movie is like i just rediscover human subjectivity in the darkness of space like it's almost like

03:35:58.480 the inescapability of human subjectivity i go to the beating heart of the universe and there's my

03:36:03.260 dad shut the fuck not you but just like i'm saying this to the cinema shut the fuck up it means you

03:36:10.020 haven't dared to really think about this shit seriously like i'm sorry but solaris like okay

03:36:16.240 this this didn't need to be a planet this could have been a witch it could have been fucking

03:36:20.460 anything it's just a narrative framing device that it's a water planet but like even something

03:36:26.160 this hey get your knives out but then at least something like interstellar yeah a lot of people

03:36:31.520 don't like interstellar but it's centering the space aspect and the way it plays around with

03:36:37.200 the concept of gravity and how that relates with time at least there's an attempt to center that

03:36:43.120 narrative framing device whereas like this could have been a coma dream or something

03:36:49.200 but i decided to make it a water planet anyway it's getting late so now i'm just trying to

03:36:53.920 fucking piss off yeah well we i mean we can wrap it up soon dimes but i mean you know you said

03:36:59.060 earlier that you feel like god wants us to to to remain on the earth and i mean you know you and i

03:37:08.300 both love tarkovsky we both know that he's like a very kind of religious uh filmmaker and that

03:37:15.780 that would be one way of god to kind of communicate that message to people right that you know oh

03:37:23.760 you know you you you abandoned your wife you abandoned your kind of um the the garden that

03:37:31.540 i gave to you i mean what did you really expect to find out here i'll say this and this is being

03:37:36.540 again like you know look mr musk i know you're a fan of the show i know you're probably watching

03:37:41.400 so this is not again my judgment but i i think that like a hundred years from now there will be

03:37:47.180 multiple movies made about elon musk and like one movie is just going to have him as this like

03:37:53.420 Jean-Luc Picard figure, a hero of the ages, um, you know, Napoleonic, uh, figure and, and someone

03:38:02.040 else is going to make a movie about like him getting to Mars. And when he gets there, he meets

03:38:07.280 like, like, like the, the, the phantom of like his, his kid who transitioned or something like

03:38:13.560 that like something that he abandoned in his quest to uh to make it to that you know desert planet

03:38:24.960 sorry i'm trying to what was the connective tissue between like the the musk thing and

03:38:33.700 the way you were just saying oh i just think that's not like i think that musk is going to be

03:38:37.840 a subject of a Solaris-like film where people somebody's gonna gonna use him as a framing

03:38:44.460 device to say like this is you know actually somebody who kind of had to like you know

03:38:51.840 disregard certain aspects of their humanity for their ambition to get here and when they get here

03:38:58.600 it's gonna turn out to just be kind of like a dry place and the the ghosts of his past will haunt

03:39:05.880 i don't think that that is honestly you know how musk experiences his own psyche at all but i think

03:39:13.180 that there will be an artistic uh portrait of him done at some point that will be kind of comparable

03:39:22.120 to to solaris i mean does that make sense i'd like to see how his my his uh story shakes out

03:39:28.240 you know um it could end up very goofy you know he's kind of a goofy guy he could end up fucking

03:39:34.860 blowing himself up with some contraption too i like musk as much as anyone like i'm not an anti

03:39:39.420 musk guy but um sometimes he sometimes i i worry that he's he's too unserious in certain ways in a

03:39:48.640 way that someone like even steve jobs wouldn't be and some people a lot of people are not all in on

03:39:54.300 steve jobs so my concern is that history might not look upon elon musk the way we're thinking

03:39:59.640 the future will but maybe i almost wanted to uh circle back to an idea like we're talking about

03:40:08.020 solaris and my issue with that you know hey i love solaris i love i love all these movies

03:40:15.020 but one of the issues you said that maybe solaris could almost be like i might be misframing what

03:40:22.040 you're saying but almost like a stand-in for god in a sense like trying to communicate with you

03:40:28.560 and one and i think a lot of stories do that where they say oh you go to go amongst the stars and you

03:40:34.920 discover god that's a popular trope but i think the real issue that i take and this is a personal

03:40:41.920 issue it's that the belief that if you were to confront god he would just grant your wishes and

03:40:48.820 do nice things and let you speak to your wife again um and i'm not trying to be pessimistic

03:40:54.780 here but um i think when we try i notice people pray too much for favors and that's with just in

03:41:05.900 the spheres that we are it's always oh you know guys keep my friend's daughter in your prayers

03:41:12.240 or my friend's cousin's niece in your prayer she's going through so you'll see that in group chats all

03:41:16.460 the time like keep them in your prayers okay you like so yeah i'm gonna hey uh heavenly father can

03:41:24.500 Can you keep Cunny, Groyper's cousins, niece, can you help them out?

03:41:29.560 They didn't tell me what the problem was.

03:41:31.240 People are very laissez-faire about asking for prayers.

03:41:34.660 And in my opinion, laissez-faire asking God for favors, which is a very Eastern way, a

03:41:39.620 very pagan way of looking at it, which is that I'm going to do this ritual to get a

03:41:43.900 thing.

03:41:45.020 I'm going to do this dance.

03:41:46.160 I'm going to put my hands together and then hopefully I can get the thing, the wish granted.

03:41:50.400 And that always seemed very self-serving.

03:41:54.500 and if you actually try and think about how like try and wrap your mind around what god is the

03:42:00.260 entirety of god and the concept of divine providence and oh do you think it's a guy

03:42:05.300 listening to you because you have to understand that we almost just inhabit the mind of god that

03:42:11.940 providence everything is according to god's plan so you're asking god to change his plan for you

03:42:18.260 who the are you you know i mean so this idea that if we were to actually get a line to god

03:42:23.300 he'd be like oh i'm gonna let you do why would god let me speak to my dead wife and atone for

03:42:28.740 that maybe i don't deserve that maybe that's not part of the plan like god was just waiting for the

03:42:34.100 opportunity to talk to me no he wouldn't so anyway my problem i guess with the framing device is that

03:42:40.820 when you use uh alien intelligence or an alien entity as a standard for god you haven't actually

03:42:45.540 tried to consider what the mind of god would actually be and why it wouldn't just be some

03:42:50.020 kind of idol that could grant you wishes or give you a trial or is just chomping at the bit to

03:42:55.460 redeem you who the fuck are you you've never even asked that question and here you are thinking you

03:43:01.400 could just have a one-on-one with god like it's it's lazy why even write the fucking story why put

03:43:06.520 pen to paper faggot if you're just going to be so reductive about such big ideas why are you going

03:43:13.540 to space to talk to your dead fucking mom why are you going to space to talk to god and god says oh

03:43:18.640 you can correct your miss i i'm sorry i made a mistake i'm god i'm gonna let you

03:43:23.840 correct mamas here you go sorry that's all these stories are god saying sorry like i don't know

03:43:29.680 that's just my issue yeah i mean i guess my and then we we can we can kind of wrap it up

03:43:35.520 that times i know it's getting late i i guess i i brought up solaris because i think you know we

03:43:42.560 We covered kind of cosmic pessimism, space horror, and then we covered the frontier, the optimistic cosmic frontier, space positivism.

03:43:53.980 And I think that the space humanism of Solaris and Tarkovsky and, you know, movies have, you're very right to point out that some movies fail at this.

03:44:09.140 but it is attempting to kind of, I guess it's the, it is the middle way. You know,

03:44:14.840 I was describing earlier, like sometimes I read really depressing books and I go a little crazy.

03:44:19.900 Sometimes I maybe read books that are just a little, you know, I read Robert Heinlein or like

03:44:26.280 books that are just kind of junk food that, but they get me really optimistic. And I think that

03:44:32.660 The middle way that is neither fatalistic nor foolish is the kind of cosmic humanism that a film like Solaris presents us with, where, you know, we should just be focused first and foremost on our humanity as opposed to space and what it has in store for us.

03:44:58.600 well that's the thing like in that sense 2001 works because it reminds you that space is not

03:45:04.460 a place for people just to poke around in and the danger with something like you know i don't want

03:45:10.760 to keep hammering solaris here but a lot of these movies which is like oh space space is a place

03:45:14.900 that will politely tell you to turn back no it's not it's a thing that will devour you and mutate

03:45:19.280 you and you should that's what you need to be treating seriously like like space is out there

03:45:23.900 with its like bumpers and its safety scissors saying that no turn back because i'm a benevolent

03:45:29.980 intelligence you know and that that's where you know i i would take exception i also wanted to

03:45:35.660 talk about uh caravaggio's comment here um interstellar isn't a bad movie but using love

03:45:41.700 as a mcguffin plot device gets cheaper every time i watch it uh first of all that's i don't believe

03:45:47.040 that's what mcguffin means mcguffin is sort of a a plot device that drives it forward um that's

03:45:53.280 just uh an item and that it doesn't even need to have a purpose but it's just there to drive the

03:45:58.600 platform that's not what love was uh within the context of interstellar love when the speech i

03:46:04.160 believe it's anne hathaway gives near the end which is love is is a powerful force and she's

03:46:10.980 relating it to gravity because gravity is a central plot device what she's talking about is

03:46:16.560 her drive to communicate to a possible colonist on this other planet who could be alive or dead

03:46:24.200 you don't know it logically it makes no sense for her to do that and you're using love as sort of a

03:46:30.700 fuel as a motivation to reach out across the stars because it's not gravity it's not electricity it's

03:46:36.860 not a form of communication it is a force that drives a human body to do something insane

03:46:42.860 almost illogical so love as a phenomenon as an emergent phenomenon and being

03:46:49.920 contrasted against something like gravity and then the complete fusion of those two concepts

03:46:56.880 right at the end as he's reaching out through space as sort of an extraterrestrial phenomenon

03:47:02.720 to himself or Anne Hathaway later on um like that I just think it's commonly misunderstood it's like

03:47:09.380 oh so the secrets love it's like did you watch the movie i'm sorry but like do you do you

03:47:15.540 do people know like it sounds like you saw it many times like i don't know

03:47:20.340 just watch that scene again and realize it's not just a sappy speech it's actually

03:47:25.540 the entire movie it's the entire point of the movie it's not a macguffin sorry um if you want

03:47:33.540 to get some other comments we can get that too no no it's cool you know i i do some some weird

03:47:38.660 gravitational stuff for uh for ann hathaway uh that could only be interpreted as a threat

03:47:45.620 especially 2000s you know 2000s era i would uh i would uh hold her down with uh no last last

03:47:55.460 you're trying to get it in before your baptism i get it oh man i know i gotta clean up my act

03:48:01.700 but um i don't know i don't know where i stand with ann hathaway i'm trying to forget do i do

03:48:05.220 i like anne hathaway i used to think she was a bad actor and i no longer think that i think she's

03:48:09.460 good but i'm like i don't know there's something off about her no it is she's a good act she's a

03:48:14.380 good actress but she is she is a theater kid and even if you're a great actor or a great actress

03:48:20.680 you can never rid yourself of the stench of being a theater kid you have to you have to somehow

03:48:24.880 achieve greatness as an actor but while still sidestepping theater kid it can't be it can't

03:48:31.960 be like a way station on your way to glory man i that's the wisest thing i've had to say all night

03:48:40.240 after discussing like all of these like space related because i'm from i'm an old chunk of

03:48:47.380 coal so i used to think theater kid just meant gay man but i've heard it used in so many different

03:48:52.540 ways over the past few years i've it's become this sort of a different sort of archetype i'm

03:48:57.280 But yeah, I just thought it was like a gay man.

03:49:01.840 Yeah, no, it got redeployed to discuss a lot of like the cabinet appointees under Biden.

03:49:08.720 Yeah, I don't know how those related.

03:49:09.940 I think it just means broadly, like somebody who was really like narcissistic and didn't play sports in high school and did all of the, you know, non-athletic after school activities.

03:49:24.920 non-athletic after school you mean like smoking weed maybe that too yeah you hey you one of these

03:49:31.800 weed guys last but you're not cool you're not you're not even cool enough to smoke weed but

03:49:36.580 those kids you're like you know you're not you're not rebelling you're not like the jock and you're

03:49:43.320 not like the um the weird at like you know outsider skater kid punk kid either you're just

03:49:50.160 like too cookie cutter i also want to say i think i was too hard on caravaggio i just it's late

03:49:57.240 i don't want to sound like i was short the caravaggio i just i don't sound like i'm heated

03:50:03.400 about interstellar this is going to come back to harm me people are going to be like

03:50:06.200 just misquoting interstellar to fuck with me but also i wanted to say here here's a quote theater

03:50:12.300 kid is the same level of stigma as adult goth and i think that's a very unfair characterization 1.00

03:50:19.680 of goth ladies 1.00

03:50:22.380 so like you can't have a 1.00

03:50:24.180 23 year old goth girlfriend

03:50:25.840 I mean you're

03:50:28.060 you're playing with dark magic

03:50:30.560 there brother

03:50:31.180 we've been playing

03:50:36.580 with dark magic all night times but we should

03:50:38.520 probably call it some fucking cyanide

03:50:40.620 gumbo there we're not going to be able

03:50:42.600 to legislate to litigate the whole you know

03:50:44.740 goth theater kid thing

03:50:46.600 today we've attacked we've tackled

03:50:48.640 the cosmos that's that's enough these other subjects are too complicated i got to everything

03:50:54.880 that i wanted to and i really wanted to thank you for uh discussing this topic especially

03:51:00.160 within sort of the um the context of you know christianity um and and also we've reached the

03:51:08.080 end with i don't think any firm conclusions except me ironically compared to where i started with

03:51:14.400 with being more pessimistic i hope i didn't bring you down i brought you on to build me up dimes

03:51:22.320 and to fortify me before my my christening so also these are real people you're going to meet

03:51:27.040 these people on x you're going to meet them in real life and there's people in the trump

03:51:31.200 administration that are taking these ideas very seriously so these aren't just flights of fancy

03:51:35.840 this isn't just oh here's two theory guys just talking about that doesn't matter i'm like this

03:51:40.720 is going to matter um this is real stuff this is where capital is being funneled to and if you

03:51:48.400 don't think this relates to your life at all that just means you don't have any sort of

03:51:52.640 time horizon that should qualify you to even be in this space that's right we're gonna remake uh

03:52:00.400 event horizon time horizon that's that's me and dimes's sci-fi movie script that we're working

03:52:07.840 on right now and you people are going to love it it's just racist time bandits yeah

03:52:13.820 oh man all right dimes thank you very much sir uh dimes's links are all in the show notes

03:52:26.400 uh and uh as i mentioned he along with uh 39 other guests are going to be uh offering film

03:52:34.720 reviews in the 2024 uh last picture shows film festival that will be out december 1st thank you

03:52:42.080 all for for listening dimes let's do this again soon man absolutely i had a great time thank you

03:52:48.280 so much for having me on and i hope everyone

03:52:49.840 and maybe i seem a bit confused yeah maybe but i got you

03:53:04.720 Thank you.

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