01:07:08.680But American Pie, I think I've litigated for the last two years.
01:07:12.240so what i think i know i've heard like two different descriptions of what that song's
01:07:16.420about what do you what's your read on america i honestly to me i we i could talk about this for
01:07:21.480hours i because i talk about daughter i i think american pie is maybe one of the greatest anthems
01:07:28.400of the collapse of american civilization and i know a lot of people think it's about a lot of
01:07:32.440different things i think it is the loss if i could just interrupt this is what he says to his daughter
01:07:37.340I've been with them and he speaks to her at this sort of level.
01:07:42.260I think it's the loss of innocence or purity of the American identity in the post-war years.
01:07:53.240And most of that has to do with big sports and media and music and the replacement of certain idols and certain facets of culture and society with new facets.
01:13:38.920of a friend of mine in Course of Empire
01:13:41.240who a lot of people know and him and Hapa Perspective who we've had on the show before
01:13:47.440they were of the mind that this is all drama it's all frivolous it's an op to cause division
01:13:54.680it's not a really serious topic and I disagree and that's something that's the reason I wanted
01:13:59.760to have this live stream because you know while Trump brought it up and people like to meme about
01:14:05.140it and have fun with it there's a case to be made that this is a relevant financial and
01:14:10.640geopolitical discussion that's been occurring for decades prior to Trump and will likely continue
01:14:16.640after Trump. And I was just making the case that this is important and we should revisit it.
01:14:22.780And it was a great time. I had a phenomenal time. A lot of people seem to like it.
01:14:27.100I think a lot of people tuned in expecting it not to be as engaging as it was. So
01:14:31.300I'm probably going to include that in this episode, but if you watch it on YouTube
01:14:36.020or on my x profile at legal ironic um you can see all the hilarious chats that go up as well
01:14:43.280um did you watched it right yeah yeah i caught a bit of it yeah you were we were we were chatting
01:14:51.100up there's very contentious individuals and a lot of passionate opinions being thrown around
01:14:57.660on either side so leading into the book i want to discuss um i want to get into this article
01:15:06.980that i read because i do think it segues into it um i'm not going to have enough time to cover all
01:15:13.000of it but i just want to establish the idea because i've been thinking about it a lot recently
01:15:17.100i'm looking at endeavors sub stack and it kind of came up on the stream
01:15:21.820and a lot of people have been liking this article it's called america's thermidorian reaction
01:15:28.680part one and it's a multi-part series two and three they're very long articles very well
01:15:34.900researched historical articles but it's looking at uh the phenomena of donald trump and what that
01:15:40.900means for the system and everything that trump represents because you've been following trump
01:15:44.620over the past few months he's been issuing a lot of very interesting executive orders
01:15:49.000It seems that he's been cleaning house. He's been knocking the legs out of the DEI regime. Right. He's disrupting not only not just with mass migration. Right. But the war in Ukraine, the financial mark, crypto, everything. Right.
01:16:05.020it seems that he's taking down a lot of the boogeymen that we were obsessed with recently
01:16:12.540i think just uh this week he was talking about uh he issued an executive order banning
01:16:18.520basically transgender surgery on kids you know hey good stuff right but what does trump actually
01:16:24.640represent you know i'm not just trying to be a black pillar i'm not trying to pour cold water
01:16:30.520on this but there's an interesting theory positive here says the subtitle was what donald trump's
01:16:36.240second presidency might mean for the trajectory of the united states and he goes into the
01:16:42.160french revolution right just to set this up it says um and french revolution and some other stuff
01:16:49.120here but he says uh i'm just going to kind of skip around here i'm not going to read the entire thing
01:16:53.020but in summer of 1789 king louis the 16th of france summoned the estates general to versailles
01:16:59.720in order to solve France's deepening financial crisis.
01:17:02.180The Estates General consisted of the first estate representing the clergy,
01:17:05.540the second estate representing the nobility,
01:17:07.320and the third estate representing everyone else.
01:17:09.800He attempted to end the rebellion of the third estate by force,
01:17:12.500but was met with popular uprising in support of the new National Assembly,
01:17:16.860climaxing with the storming of the Bastille in 1789.
01:17:22.840So we're talking about the French Revolution now.
01:17:25.140Five years later, France found itself gripped by a brutal reign
01:17:28.460of revolutionary terror under the 12-man committee of public safety led by the radical revolutionary
01:17:34.220maximilian robespierre you know people kind of know the story here of the french revolution
01:17:39.340the king was dead the monarchy had been abolished the church had been shut down
01:17:43.540and scores of people were being hauled off to the guillotine daily nobles clergymen and royalists
01:17:48.460that already met their maker courtesy of the guillotine's blade were forced into exile
01:17:53.980After months of constant tide of execution,
01:17:56.980some revolutionaries in the National Convention began to worry for their own safety.
01:18:01.560Roves-Pierre and his allies in the Committee of Public Safety suffered the same fate,
01:18:04.940which they had condemned thousands to on July 28th at the guillotine.
01:18:09.580In turn, the far-left Jacobin Club was dissolved as most leading members had been executed.
01:18:15.680The events which led to the overthrow of Roves-Pierre and the end of the Reign of Terror
01:18:19.980during the french revolution have been dubbed the thermidorian reaction by historians the name is
01:18:25.180derived from the french revolutionary calendar which renamed the days of the week and months
01:18:29.180of the year and began counting years from the date of the declaration of the french first republic
01:18:33.420the thermidorian reaction was not a counter revolution it did not restore the ancien
01:18:39.580regime of the bourbon monarchy it was not the end of the french revolution nor the regime
01:18:44.860which the revolution had been brought about those who carried out the thermidorian reaction were
01:19:19.900But it halted the daily en masse executions, while many of the Thermidorians were in fact culpable of the terror themselves.
01:19:28.020Following the Thermidorian reaction, a new incarnation of the revolutionary regime was formed in 1795, known as the Directory, ruled by five directors periodically elected by the assembly.
01:19:39.220And just to, you know, I'm not going to summarize from there.
01:19:42.500When we discussed Napoleon in the past, what you saw with Napoleon, while he was an imperialist and while he was interested in stomping out the excesses of the French Revolution, he seemed to be forwarding a lot of the fundamental first principles of the revolution itself.
01:20:00.420He was trying to smash the Ancien regime or was signaling that he wanted to in every other country that they were taking over.
01:20:07.260he was going to liberate them so it was like the mass exporting of the revolution under a different
01:20:13.900guise so basically what he is saying here is that trump is a thermodorian reaction and i would
01:20:21.020encourage everyone to read this but if you look at what he represents to the system all he is really
01:20:26.220doing is reigning in the most extreme excesses of it and what would those be well that would be0.91
01:20:31.740mass migration that would be the tranny shit um and that would be some of the dei stuff but you0.93
01:20:38.960know we had said many many months ago when they said they're putting the woke away well what do0.98
01:20:43.800we mean by woke what is woke well so you've got a guy who you got a guy who's qualified by the left
01:20:49.560as being the most right-wing president in american history this right-wing president is pro-israel
01:20:55.940the most pro-israel president ever believes in gay marriage uh is pro-abortion what else like he
01:21:03.280he he believes that he believes that all races are welcome and that america is a propositional0.96
01:21:09.240nation so this is your extreme far-right fascist nazi president but this is the point is there
01:21:15.540the whole table has been reset this is the new spectrum that's the right most point that you0.95
01:21:21.600can ever exist in now as an american and everything only goes left from there you can't go more right
01:21:27.620than that it would be beyond the pale and in fairness this is cute that endeavors writing it
01:21:32.360now after we can all see it but you and i have been saying this for months so a thousand other
01:21:36.660people and you what's interesting and i credit nick fuentes for saying this or he's been really
01:21:42.000beating this drum by pointing out everyone's talking about trump's deportations of all the
01:21:47.320mexicans but if you look at the numbers he's deporting you know a thousand a day 500 a day
01:21:53.740that's making headlines but if you compare that to what obama did obama ended up through his reign0.99
01:21:59.240deported like two million people like the amount of people like mexicans obama deported was fucking0.93
01:22:04.360insane like that's a little joke about obama that he might have been the last right-wing president0.84
01:22:08.860because he was the hardest on illegal migration truth is that the obama administration has
01:22:14.740deported 2.5 million undocumented immigrants from the United States over
01:22:18.820two terms. 2.5 million, that's the highest number for any president ever. In
01:22:23.560fact Obama is on course to have deported more people in his eight years in office
01:22:27.460than all of the presidents of the 20th century combined. I guess that explains
01:22:31.900why his immigration enforcement budget in 2015 was a whopping $18 billion.
01:22:36.640That's $3 billion more than the budgets of all the other major domestic law
01:22:40.300enforcement agencies combined. Now the Obama administration says the vast
01:22:44.260majority of the people it deports are people with criminal records felons threats to national
01:22:48.660security which sounds reasonable except that a study in 2014 found that two-thirds of deportation
01:22:54.120cases involved people who had committed minor infractions including traffic violations or had0.83
01:22:59.280no criminal record at all and he seemed to kill the most muslim civilians like he loved blowing1.00
01:23:06.200up fucking muslim well we'll see what trump may easily do more given how how you know cock thirsty0.99
01:23:12.040he is for israel yeah exactly like we we shall see however i think the lesson here is that if1.00
01:23:17.720you have deep-seated issues with the system be wary if they're just signaling that they're
01:23:23.680reigning in their excesses without changing anything fundamental about it and hoping that
01:23:28.360that they that that's the revolution that's the counter-revolution it's like no this actually
01:23:33.340strengthens the you know the momentum of the deeper revolution which is yes dei is getting
01:23:40.680swept away but is affirmative action still on the table and is your commitment to diversity still0.78
01:23:46.740on the table never mind how about the fucking the civil rights act like there's there's so much to0.87
01:23:51.460take away but they're not even gonna go they're gonna take you know it's a hundred steps forward0.98
01:23:55.480and two steps back and everybody counts it like a big fucking win yeah and like we'd always said1.00
01:24:00.060watch the tranny discourse because i still maintain that this is gonna white women are1.00
01:24:05.420gonna be left holding the bag for this they're gonna pretend that the tranny hysteria it was a1.00
01:24:10.320weird thing we all did. And guess what? It was all cooked up by these crazy white ladies. And I tell
01:24:15.600you what, half of the far right is going to go along with that. They will love to throw white
01:24:20.320women under the bus. It's going to happen. And two weeks after it happens, you and I are going1.00
01:24:24.060to talk about it on the podcast. And then six months later, academics are going to write
01:24:27.860sub stacks about it. Yeah, because this is, you know, maybe we're just old. Maybe we're just a
01:24:32.700little long in the tooth and we see this happening. But, you know, you read enough books and you want
01:24:38.080to die because you've just seen it all but i wanted to set up what i'm going to say with that
01:24:42.340which is that what is the nature of the system what can be changed and while we kind of rein in
01:24:49.760the excesses that are public facing we don't address the real rot that's occurring that maybe
01:24:56.820becomes a bit more cunning right so i'm talking about this book this book that extends the book
01:25:05.820i see as working in concert with the last book we had discussed which is programmed to kill
01:25:11.320and this is called eye of the chicken hawk by sam dovey um it's a fascinating book there's a
01:25:19.560couple issues that i have with the book however one and i'll get those out of the way at the start
01:25:25.040one is that it is it ends very abruptly um it seems very haphazardly put together it's a lot
01:25:32.900of facts. It's a lot of data. It's a lot of good stuff in here, but I think it needed a conclusion
01:25:38.740to tie everything together. But this book is primarily concerned with serial killers and most
01:25:47.000importantly, child sex trafficking and child sex trafficking syndicates. And I use that term on the
01:25:53.100last one, Program to Kill, because Program to Kill was challenging the idea of the serial killer.
01:25:59.460Does the serial killer profile really exist if you look at what really happened in these cases?
01:26:05.080This fuses with that and talks about child abductions, child sex trafficking, and how often these serial killers are just fronts or just the most public-facing part of these vast networks of pedophiles.
01:26:20.820And let me just set it up by saying that these networks of pedophiles and consumers of child pornography, one could be led to believe if they watch the news that they're just consumers of media, right?
01:26:33.700And I've come to the belief over, you know, reading these books and a lifetime of hearing these stories that there's no such thing as just a pedophile.
01:26:44.160I think that's a psychoanalytic term by saying, oh, it's just someone who's attracted to children in that way.
01:26:50.060Or, you know, perhaps we could create these images with AI, then what's the victim?
01:26:55.160And I'm like, I don't think that exists.
01:26:57.260Just like I don't think transgenderism exists.
01:26:59.900It's like a bucket for a bunch of other strange pathologies, right?0.91
01:27:04.880I was going to say, it's neat because with, well, it's not neat, but it's similar with pedophiles and with trannies who are kind of the same thing.
01:33:02.960While initially vague in the explanation he gave
01:33:05.620As to the relationship with Dean Corll and how he came to know about the masquerade, Wayne Henley eventually confessed to having helped torture, kill, and bury at least six of Corll's victims.
01:33:15.480Dean Corll was nicknamed the Candyman Killer, and the motive behind his murders was attributed to his modus operandi as a, quote, serial killer.
01:33:24.440A man driven insane by intense desire to control, manipulate, and kill led one of the most horrific serial killing sprees of his time.
01:33:35.240Today, we discuss the candy man, Dean Corll.
01:33:38.940Which is to say his motive was looked at for the pathology of a single killer.
01:33:43.360Both teenagers independently stated that Corll told them he was part of an organization based in Dallas,
01:33:49.380which bought and sold boys, and the other members of the organization were also murdering them.
01:33:54.220So here we see the case of a serial killer, lone man, just exhibiting his predatory wolf-like nature.
01:34:01.820But like we discussed last time, it turns out that they are in the employ of a much larger group.
01:34:07.480And are they actually just killing these boys for fun or are they disposing of evidence?
01:34:25.480Or even the system of psychology just validates its own existence by saying, look, we found the aberration.
01:34:31.820Well, these aren't just these are insane aberrations.
01:34:34.960These are professionals working in concert with something much darker and much more expansive than you could ever believe.
01:34:42.100So it goes on a few weeks after into that Dean Corral investigation.
01:34:47.000Detectives in Houston received a letter postmarked August 24th, 1973 from a California man named Stephen Dale Ahern.
01:34:54.440They checked with the LAPD division who told them Ahern was a member of the Nazi party and writes letters and some of the information he comes up with is good.
01:35:01.820So he's just a guy who works for the police.
01:35:05.220Ahern said Roy Ames was one of the largest producers of child pornography
01:35:09.440responsible for around one-third of the photographs and films produced in the United States.
01:35:16.760Ames is a widely reviled character already, just on the basis of his business practices alone.
01:35:22.900In short, just about every underhanded move a record producer could pull, he pulled.
01:36:15.600and enough publishing stationary files and literature to fill an entire van,
01:36:20.040all pertaining to an organization called the Odyssey Foundation.
01:36:25.100Among the files seized were thousands of index cards with the names and addresses of clients around the country,
01:36:31.280some of them prominent people, and some federal employees in Washington.
01:36:35.480The foundation had been set up to ostensibly operate as a non-profit mentorship program,
01:36:41.240which paired adult sponsors with boy fellows for interstate education trips.
01:36:47.160Among the file seats from Norman's apartment were photos and descriptions of available boys, of which four had the word kill written on them.
01:36:54.740The timing and discovery of the kill photographs may have raised an eyebrow, but what happened with the Odyssey network clients raises both.
01:37:02.640These would be handed over to Henry Kissinger's State Department and subsequently destroyed.
01:37:07.980You're starting to get the sense that these networks are much, much larger than you might originally think.
01:37:14.920and the other thing this is a thread that while we see this entire thing is how connected these
01:37:20.220groups are to you know youth mentorship programs i mean this should surprise no one like you know
01:37:26.420if if you were a pedophile what would you do well you'd probably try and start a kindergarten
01:37:31.440wouldn't you so a lot of times they're sourcing these kids from these charitable organizations0.99
01:37:37.240summer camps shit like that so how many of them you know not all of them but obviously that's the
01:37:46.020number one thing that you would start so and the other thing you get in the book is like throughout0.98
01:37:50.000the 70s and 80s and 90s there were so many child pornography magazines just in circulation
01:37:56.200right it seems crazy now because everything has to be so secret but like these organizations just
01:38:02.100had po boxes remember nambla that organization the national north american man boy love association
01:38:09.140that was always a running joke i'm like there was like seven or eight other ones like that
01:38:14.060that were just open you could just like there would be like a child pornography magazine with
01:38:18.440like classified ads at the bottom with just guys names and numbers they say i'm a pedophile too
01:38:24.460you know let's let's find boys together and it's just like you know you hate to even kind of
01:38:29.680chuckle at it but this used to be so much more open right and people used to just what would0.99
01:38:35.780you do with the people who wanted those magazines well you had a fucking filing cabinet full of0.96
01:38:40.140names and addresses so that's how it was so easy to bust these things now continuing on with john0.93
01:38:45.320norman this guy's interesting from inside cook county jail norman was inexplicably granted access
01:38:51.900to and this is wild here publishing printing and mailing facilities required to produce and
01:38:57.480distribute literature for his odyssey network under a new name the delta project assisting
01:39:03.080norman with the delta project from prison by the way was a young inmate named philip paski a tall
01:39:09.000slimly built 20 something uh transvestite with long blonde hair serving fancy that how many
01:39:15.960other transvestites were involved in this serving time for accessory to murder he pleaded down to
01:39:20.120theft then in 1977 a judge inexplicably ordered norman's early release and he moved with phil
01:39:26.760pasky into a basement apartment in chicago just to be short a 20 minute drive from where soon the
01:39:32.68029 teenage boys would be exhumed from the crawl space of john wayne gacy what's the connection
01:39:39.680of john wayne gacy well after john norman went back to prison in 1978 philip pasky the transvestite
01:39:46.320lost his job at each lost his job as a children's supervisor at a public swimming pool
01:55:52.460However, the latter charge was dropped the following year.
01:55:56.100That same year, in 1983, a Tory MP named Jeffrey Dickens handed the Secretary of the Home Office a dossier on members of Parliament and the Queen's Royal Staff,
01:56:07.220alleged to have been part of a VIP pedophile ring with ties to a group called the Pedophile Information Exchange.
01:56:13.400little was made of it at the time but 30 years after dickens dossier would serve
01:56:17.920at least in part as a basis for an investigation into historic allegations of child sex abuse
01:56:23.900by a vip pedophile ring uh linked to parliament and prime minister margaret thatcher's office
01:56:30.360at number 10 so you have sort of the start and stop of this case over time but it's a
01:56:35.660it all becomes connected later whereas all these dossiers wind up getting lost or destroyed right
01:56:41.260because who's implicated in it who are the individuals who are going to these these0.99
01:56:46.380fucking child sex brothels which are out in the open and again this is why people care about john0.99
01:56:51.400podesta this is why they care about comic ping pong do you think that just went away0.99
01:56:54.900this is stuff like these are investigations that have been happening all over the world
01:56:59.300in belgium in amsterdam in fucking every so it's everywhere except the most powerful country on0.98
01:57:06.360earth right fuck off you know and the one thing you know what pedophiles is that i think on a long0.99
01:57:12.840enough timeline they it's not that they get arrogant but they almost want to be found out1.00
01:57:18.180they like flaunting it they get off on like doing it in public they like people knowing that they're0.92
01:57:24.720discussing like the flasher like the guy who wants to be seen jerking off in broad daylight there's
01:57:29.460one of the guys in your story i his corel or somebody no it wasn't probably killed him he0.79
01:57:33.700died but one of the guys that was in prison for a long time they let him out just before he died
01:57:37.900he was like in his 80s and he'd been in prison for like 40 years and like three days after he
01:57:43.600was let out he was arrested again for soliciting sex with like an 11 year old boy at a supermarket
01:57:50.200in broad daylight in front of his mother and it's like that's the thing so you have to realize like0.57
01:57:56.340oh what it's not that they love little boys it's they get off on corrupting children yeah0.99
01:58:02.940they're they're fucking demons dude yeah they're demons that that's all part of it it's all bound1.00
01:58:08.400up it's not even the sex it's the fucking corruption of the act and how much of everything1.00
01:58:13.960in orbit around it is despicable like that's what he liked about it right now just to build on the0.98
01:58:19.920elm guest house here near the end of july 1990 a teenager named andrew ash who at the time was
01:58:25.880staying at the home of the social worker uh as a victim of the elm guest house claimed he was taken
01:58:32.240to amsterdam in 1988 by a group of men from london and forced to film in a warehouse where a 12 year
01:58:38.900old boy was raped successively by 12 men beaten with chains run over with a motorcycle and his
01:58:44.520body dumped in a canal this had led to a joint investigation with dutch authorities in the 90s
01:58:49.500into the production of snuff films in answer in amsterdam called operation operation framework
01:58:54.880and why wouldn't that happen considering amsterdam was just see like the destination
01:59:00.220where all of the worst child sex traffickers wanted to go i guess it's because they permitted0.98
01:59:05.600it's that in thailand where you just get fucking if you got five dollars you got free run of a0.99
01:59:10.900village for the day and there's a connection to a guy here named sphinx right he's running0.93
01:59:16.520something like the elm guest says one facet of the sphinx operation was to rent out apartments0.72
01:59:21.180in european child sex hot spots to foreign pedophiles who he then acted as sort of a
01:59:26.340concierge to the same way uh spartacus international functioned with its host pedophiles around the
01:59:32.520world like clarence henry osborne in australia sphinx name would also come up in connection to
01:59:37.060the elm guest house in 2013 a scotland yard informant claimed to have seen films screened
01:59:42.960at this place called the gay palace which showed boys age 11 to 14 being raped by masked men and
01:59:49.280that sphinx the club manager was selling copies of a special videotape for 4 000 pounds of a boy
01:59:54.740being tortured a different informant named frank described another film sphinx had shown him a snuff
01:59:59.920film shot inside a barn of a boy being torched with needles and then castrated so you got these
02:00:05.140guys it's like oh i have this stuff then they have this special stuff and like we said last episode
02:00:09.140it seems that most of the time it was made to order which mean that to oftentimes locate these
02:00:15.180videos you must pay to produce them yourself which has proved difficult for federal agents you know
02:00:22.160if you have a drug bust you might buy the drugs right just to get it all set up but of course
02:00:28.320you're not actually buying the drugs it cycles back in the system but if you wanted to catch
02:00:32.440someone with a snuff film you need to pay to produce a snuff film which is why it's so hard
02:00:38.220to do or one of the reasons anyway um so i'm just going to read these in in order and just try and
02:00:44.180get them out here so in germany 1993 a 12 year old named manuel shadwell was reported missing
02:00:51.500though little was done for over a year as he was considered a runaway in 1994 two teenagers came
02:00:57.120forward complaining they'd been trafficked into the rotterdam sex trade the pair had been
02:01:01.560prostituting themselves on the streets of hamburg and been approached by two dutchmen who offered
02:01:05.780them large sums of money to travel to rotterdam to film pornography when they arrived their
02:01:10.080passports were seized and had been forced to pay off the cost of their travel they met their boy
02:01:14.840who said his name was manuel shadwell who matched the age inscription of a boy that of that name
02:01:20.180they'd been seen in missing persons posters all over germany um one of glandorff's clients had
02:01:25.860been particularly sadistic uh pedophile named martin smallers who actually murdered a boy in
02:01:30.5801986 it was found glandorff had rented a boy to smallers to use in a torture porn film in which0.94
02:01:36.620the boy's testicles had been wired to a generator the hik report included transcripts of conversations
02:01:42.420recorded from his phone in one of these a senior dutch government official with the first name0.78
02:07:27.000And this is why I don't like it because it just abruptly ends.
02:07:29.800Buried among these releases, sprinkled with red herrings, such as Ted Gunderson's diagrams of the McMartin preschool tunnels near the beginning of the first batch, were three documents of instantaneous interest to anyone who knew what they were looking at.
02:07:44.100It turned out a list of names and addresses had been found on the finders men caught transporting children through Florida.
02:07:50.880Two finders men had been found transporting six children in a van to Mexico.
02:07:55.240with a list of addresses for one individual named in a case of NABLA members suspected of murder
02:08:00.560and two named in John Orman's Odyssey Network, which you'll remember from before.
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02:13:27.620enough said okay let's get right into it we're not going to take up your whole evening tonight
02:13:33.980folks we're just going to have a real fun rip-roaring time what's the topic the topic is
02:13:39.740the canadian annexation by the united states of america now we got a good diversity of voices
02:13:47.140here we got some people who are pro annexation some people who are against it and we're going
02:13:52.800to hear the the reasons for and against um and i know for the sacks you had even published
02:13:58.700a sub stack as recently as today on this topic gearing up for the top the talk kind of laying
02:14:05.600out your entire argument yes i'm not going to just throw to people we can kind of just get started
02:14:11.020with whoever, perhaps you or Paul can say, maybe we start with Paul, actually. I would love
02:14:18.900to hear a position on why Canada ought to be annexed, in so many words, by America.
02:14:28.100Well, the question of whether Canada should be annexed by the United States is not a new one.
02:14:37.860As a matter of fact, it has existed as long as the United States, as a polity separate from Great Britain, has existed all the way back until Benedict Arnold's failed expedition into Quebec during the Revolutionary War.
02:14:53.040Canada was attempted to be brought alongside the other 13 English colonies in the Americas
02:15:00.600as an additional member of declaring independence from the British and the Canadians chose not to
02:15:10.020do that and the history worked out in such a way that Canada remained separate from the United
02:15:17.040States remained a dominion of the British. And after the war, as Mr. Fortisax pointed out in
02:15:24.440his article, many of the loyalists, the Anglo loyalists in the 13 colonies resettled in Canada.
02:15:33.080And so in terms of historical self-conception, America became what it became, and Canada became
02:15:40.520a sort of reflection of it, the sort of the path that wasn't taken. You know, Canada has
02:15:46.680existence prior to loyalists resettling there. However, loyalists resettling there became an
02:15:54.500inarguable part of its identity. But that's basically the whole point of me extrapolating
02:16:00.200that is to let all of you know that this is a question that has been above the heads of these
02:16:05.120two tribes for the entirety of their existence. To directly answer the question, though, as to
02:16:11.800the case as to why the United States should annex Canada, I don't feel very strongly on the issue.
02:16:19.000What I do feel very strongly about is the national security of the United States.
02:16:23.480It may become necessary in order to maintain the national security of the United States
02:16:28.640for the United States to annex Canada. Why do I say this? I say this because the Canadian
02:16:35.280government has proven wholly ineffective at preventing infiltration of its government
02:16:40.260institutions, including its military, by foreign actors. This is China. This is also Russia and
02:16:46.320other various geopolitical opponents of the United States. India. India is not necessarily an actor.
02:16:54.220uh they're not really a i don't really consider them a country they're more of a
02:16:59.060anyway i'm not going to go into that speaking of which i just uh covered the
02:17:05.780unrelated i covered the book camp of the saints by genre spale with a good friend t.r hudson
02:17:11.420anyway go ahead yeah so the point is um canada has the longest coastline on planet earth you
02:17:20.320You know, you're counting all of the islands, counting, you know, it's largely unguarded areas.
02:17:26.780And at this moment, Canada is an obstruction to the territorial integrity of the United States.
02:17:32.220The state of Alaska is kept geographically separate from the lower 48 states by the existence of Canada.
02:17:40.840We, you know, all Alaskans do not have a land connection to the lower 48 of the United States by the existence of Canada.
02:17:47.380um that is i mean and and there's there's more i could go into on that um i'm not going to talk
02:17:55.180about economics because everyone knows economics um and everyone knows the economic arguments and
02:17:59.700economics doesn't motivate anyone to do anything um it at least at least in discussions like this
02:18:06.140lbj once said and i know we all hate him me too but it's a pretty good quote lbj once said that
02:18:11.660talking about economics is like pissing down your leg it seems hot to you but never to anyone else
02:18:16.740um and so that is i mean that's completely leaving aside the canadians aspect of this
02:18:26.740in terms of a pure power politics perspective i could start getting into the power disparities
02:18:31.920between canada and the united states and how canada's continued sovereignty is at the pleasure
02:18:36.400of the united states um but here that's gonna be a good one in a second let's hold on to that
02:18:45.000let's put a pin in that i wanted to also say that's my conclusion basically i'm going to stake
02:18:50.960out because i don't want this to seem like a gang up i don't want to seem like poor little paul
02:18:57.900fahrenheit up in here i'm going to actually make a case that is perhaps not as direct but more on
02:19:05.020the side of annexation or perhaps geopolitical realities i was actually on an interview recently
02:19:11.200with my friend Jason Mirinchuk of Mirinchuk Now.
02:19:14.760And he, as a Canadian living in Australia,
02:19:38.860And that's kind of what I wanted to start with just to frame this very loosely was that a lot of people thought we were having this talk, this panel, because of something Trump said, because it was a political flashpoint and everyone was memeing on it for a long time.
02:19:53.060In fact, it was actually somewhat difficult to find Americans who there's more Canadians I found who are pro annexation than Americans, even the ones who are joking about it.
02:20:03.660they were just memeing around fine well and good but uh i wanted to just say that it seems that
02:20:11.040this has been a discussion that's been going on politically at least my entire adult life
02:20:16.440um a good friend of mine by the name of laughing man he runs the sunflower society he was referencing
02:20:21.920his political science courses when he was in university by saying that you know this is the
02:20:26.300main reason we have NORAD, which was to prove that Canada has the ability to project its force
02:20:33.720internally to secure this term that I've been hearing my entire adult life, which is Arctic
02:20:38.920sovereignty. That's in the news quite a bit. In fact, I did have a couple of references here.
02:20:46.740Let's just pull this up. Canada looks to reinforce Arctic sovereignty through diplomacy,
02:20:51.060military says minister like it's been talked about for generations um and so trump recently
02:20:57.860talked about well canada needs to pull its way do this or that um i've been that's going to be
02:21:03.140a topic of discussion probably after trump and as it was before trump because and the fact that it's
02:21:09.060a recurring conversation made it relevant to me that's why i was doing this because it ain't just
02:21:13.940a meme it's not just a little bit of controversy you want to have there's actually a real discussion
02:21:18.180to be at here. But it touches on a lot of things. It touches about what is Canadian identity.
02:21:23.280It touches that manifest destiny from the American perspective. Is America's national
02:21:28.640security at risk? I'll throw you a couple of bones there. And we've discussed this extensively
02:21:33.380on Blood Satellite, my show, and on Vanguard's journal where I write and other people have
02:21:38.940talked about as well. Sam Cooper is an amazing voice in Canada talking about the infiltration
02:21:43.520from the Chinese Communist Party, especially on the West Coast. I don't need to go into a huge
02:21:50.220diatribe about that, but when people talk about infiltration through India, China is a very serious
02:21:56.160political one, and also controlling the majority of the fentanyl trade in North America. That's
02:22:01.420something that America might be concerned about. And let me just say this, I don't think Trump was
02:22:08.580serious about wanting to annex canada by making canada the 51st state as he put it um and there's
02:22:16.900even a clip here let me just pull this up just what i'm talking about this people can hear this
02:22:22.180i think i would love to see canada be the 51st state uh the canadian citizens if that happened
02:22:29.380would get a very big tax cut tremendous tax cut because they're very highly taxed
02:22:34.580and you wouldn't have to worry about military you wouldn't have to worry about many of the things
02:22:40.500you'd have better health coverage you'd have much better health coverage so i think a lot of people
02:22:45.920latched on the health coverage thing but if he were serious in my opinion he wouldn't talk about
02:22:52.260making canada the 51st state he would actually talk about making alberta the 51st state alberta
02:22:57.560and saskatchewan and then discombobulating the entire commonwealth from that like attacking each
02:23:02.960province if you were strategizing about that. So that's my position by saying that there is
02:23:09.020a legitimate conversation to be had about this issue. It's not just a meme. So whoever wants
02:23:14.680to jump in and respond to these two points or go off on your position, feel free.
02:23:21.040So there's a lot to touch on here. And to Paul's credit, I also agree with him. And he's going to
02:23:26.220be hard pressed to find any Canadian who disagrees with him. Arctic sovereignty is a serious issue.
02:23:30.920I remember a couple of years ago, Obama and Harper having a spat over who owns the Northwest Passage and who has more or less exclusive rights to sail through that area, namely because the Russians and the Chinese were allegedly claiming territory on the seafloor or trying to, given that it was international waters, so on and so forth.
02:23:53.940so from the purely real politic geopolitical perspective yeah i i agree with that 110
02:24:01.340most canadians want a stronger military the military has been a sinking ship for the last
02:24:06.76020 years uh the military has had insane retention problems for 20 years most canadian veterans will
02:24:12.940tell you that that is a open secret uh 75 of the canadian military is logistics it's not actually
02:24:19.700combat ready fighting forces capable of projecting force or even defending their own territorial
02:24:24.900sovereignty uh you can blame previous liberal and conservative governments for gutting the military
02:24:29.700mainly if i recall correctly that goes back to pierre trudeau when he downsized the military
02:24:34.340and merged them into the modern canadian armed forces destroying centuries of tradition for the
02:24:39.780air force the navy royal canadian air force the royal canadian uh navy and the canadian army so
02:24:45.620So 75% of the Canadian military is also bad.
02:25:11.800Nobody really has an optimal fighting force.
02:25:13.720So many things to touch upon here. We've already covered the divergence between Canada and the United States. Yes, 100% it's true. You did see a divergence a little bit before 1776. In the 1750s, you had early waves of Loyalists from Massachusetts going up into Nova Scotia.
02:25:34.560uh new england planters in particular they set up shop there about half of them returned home
02:25:40.440but then that would form as the foundation of the base for where most of these loyalists would come
02:25:44.480from two waves of approximately 60 000 loyalists from new england and the surrounding area some
02:25:50.920say also virginia the old dominion uh there were a lot of southerners of the united states many of
02:25:56.360them high anglican who were actually quite loyal in fact the british overestimated their support
02:26:00.700in the southern states because of this so you did see a massive wave of 60 000 in two waves
02:26:06.060you have very early loyalists you have the main bulk of them in the 1770s to 1790s and then you
02:26:11.260have later loyalists who set up shop in southern quebec now it is pertinent to say that this
02:26:22.940divergence did breed a different nation entirely because as i had argued in the article i published
02:26:29.180yesterday what you saw also was a social selection you saw a social selection for traditionalist
02:26:35.980conservatism and not liberalism the ideological motivations for canadians not wanting to be part
02:26:41.980of the secular liberal republic of the united states was mainly that they were loyal to
02:26:47.260tradition and to the principles of anglican theologian richard hooker and also on the
02:26:52.460the French case of people like Joseph de Maistre. So from the very onset, Canadians are a traditionalist
02:27:00.440reactionary people. They are not liberals. The entire foundation of the state of Canada that
02:27:06.380would only emerge in 1867 was rooted in this philosophical difference. And it led to two
02:27:12.180completely different paths. One of them, and I know this is going to piss off the Americans,
02:27:17.000One of them was basically a proposition nation, a very early form of a proposition nation.
02:27:23.080When they decided with the 1790 Naturalization Act that citizenship would be free to all white men of good character, they started opening their borders to all 63 nations in Europe.
02:27:34.100slowly but surely. And although Calvin Coolidge would maintain the preference for Western and
02:27:40.740Northern European immigrants until the Hart-Scheller Act, actually, what seems to be the
02:27:45.380case is this slowly started to include everybody and everybody into the United States. And by the
02:27:50.5001860s, as I cover in this article as well, to recuperate from the losses of Anglo-Americans
02:27:55.500from the American Civil War, they flooded the country. The movie Gangs of New York is literally
02:28:01.060about this. It's about Bill the Butcher, who was an ethnic Anglo-American nationalist fighting what
02:28:06.040he saw was an invasion of the savage hordes, namely Irish Catholics. Nowadays, we understand
02:28:12.380the Irish Catholics are white, at least I hope. But back then, this was a serious, serious issue.
02:28:18.500And what ended up happening was that the Anglo-Americans who founded the United States,
02:28:24.560who wrote the Constitution of the United States, who wrote the First and Second Amendments that
02:28:29.300most Canadians love and know and love and some of them want is a product of them a unique people
02:28:35.180entirely so what happens is these Anglo-Americans are demographically displaced in their own country
02:28:39.940with the exception of Utah and upper New England and some of the Midwest and some of the English
02:28:44.720Cavaliers in the southern southern southeast states so H.P. Lovecraft in the early 1900s was
02:28:52.140already loading a demographic decline of Native Americans and the term Native American is important
02:28:58.220because it used to not mean the indigenous it used to mean anglo-american it used to mean
02:29:02.460somebody of a british extraction who founded that country right so from the very onset although
02:29:09.440you see trad cons today like or in mcintyre you see uh james kirkpatrick although i like him very
02:29:16.640much you see many of these other commentators charles haywood talking about america and nation
02:29:22.320they're still trapped in the same dialectic loop of liberalism which is they can't define what an
02:29:29.340american is because they don't even share a european ethnicity from coast to coast they don't
02:29:34.320they have no conception of it and my theory as i had written about previously was they turn to
02:29:40.040racial nationalism to cope with that fact because they have no underlying uh commonalities italian
02:29:45.240americans are different than german americans people have pointed out that tim waltz although
02:29:49.260he is obviously a european american uh it's very characteristically different from people in new
02:29:53.660england or people from the south you know paul himself is an appellation there are differences
02:29:58.860between appellations and southerners right most people don't know that they think everybody in
02:30:03.260the southern u.s is the same but they're not so right off the bat there's already i would correct
02:30:08.060you i am not an appellation i am from the piedmont of virginia i would be closer to what you would
02:30:13.180call a southerner than uh than someone who is appalachian okay somebody told me in the blood
02:30:18.220satellite chat that you were appalachian so right off the bat there's already many many many of these
02:30:25.180differences and then when you start to look at the demographic situation of the us which i also
02:30:30.940covered 47 of the entire us population within the next five years is going to be european american
02:30:37.980most of them seniors canada has a demographic edge mostly in eastern canada but canada has
02:30:43.660the demographic edge with approximately 63 estimated within the next five to ten years
02:30:48.380being european canadian mainly of british and french extraction and to me this is very important
02:30:53.980because i identify that nations are peoples they're not propositions they're not abstractions
02:30:59.980they're not nations of ideas an ethnos generates an ethos an ethos from an ethnos can rebuild it
02:31:07.820can build things right when you don't have that in the united states and your demographics are
02:31:13.260not in your favor and the vast majority of the inhabitants do not support the first and second
02:31:18.380amendment statistically they don't and i'm taking this from the u.s census 2020 u.s census uh there's
02:31:24.540just i'm really not seeing the benefit now to trump's credit and i'll end on this for the time
02:31:29.100being to trump's credit the only thing canadians could conceivably benefit from uh from a merger
02:31:36.620with the united states is a tax cut that's effectively it the first and second amendment
02:31:40.860are relatively irrelevant in the Canadian context.
02:32:09.640because I consider Canada to be its own unique independent country with an identity separate from
02:32:15.220that of the United States. I myself, I don't identify with the United States, with the
02:32:21.180Constitution, with 1776, Republicanism. I identify with loyalism and with the British Empire
02:32:27.660and with Anglo-Canadian heritage. We have a history of our own, and that's something which
02:32:35.360we have developed over hundreds of years and ultimately that is what uh is i mean ultimately
02:32:40.960that's what's my motivation to to uh to do what i'm doing it's to is to preserve that uh and to
02:32:47.640just accept uh canada to be absorbed into the united states would be throwing that away for
02:32:52.980for the most part secondly i don't see any of the practical i don't see any practical reason for it
02:33:00.080So how is this actually going to benefit Canada?
02:33:02.800So like Fortisax has already mentioned, this would actually make Canada less white.
02:33:08.680Canada, I mean, of course, we have our own problems.
02:33:11.140We're not necessarily going to be winning any saving the white race competitions anytime soon.
02:33:20.840But when you look at the demographics between the United States and Canada, Canada still is slightly more, it's still slightly more white.
02:33:28.780and again it even has slightly more um what would be considered heritage canadians that being
02:33:34.380anglo-canadians and french canadians so it doesn't help us in that regard uh
02:33:40.860it just would further enslave us to global homo so it would i think the goal ultimately would
02:33:46.700have to be to break off from this big globalist system and i would say from the perspective of
02:33:53.020americans it would seem to make a lot more sense to uh want independence from washington if you
02:33:58.540actually value your history if you actually and you know from your perspective of course
02:34:04.300it's slightly different i have nothing against americans and them identifying with their own
02:34:08.780history and their own culture and their own uh and their own people but if you are if that's
02:34:13.100what actually matters to you you should want to separate from this system which is trying to
02:34:17.660destroy that not uh bring more territories into that and i mean i'm even content that canada might
02:34:23.300have to break certain parts of canada might have to break off in the future that that may be the
02:34:28.560case um and i i don't see that i don't really i'm not buying any of these supposed benefits like oh
02:34:36.400we'll get the first and second amendment well again i don't see that as worth it um to throw
02:34:42.580away our entire nationhood, which we've spent hundreds of years building. And it's not even
02:34:48.360like the American government really even respects the rights of their own citizens. So why on earth
02:34:56.140would we expect that it's going to help us in Canada? I don't think it will. And in terms of
02:35:05.360things like military alliances and security, well, the United States is also quite infiltrated. I
02:35:12.440I mean, let's not forget the Zionist lobby and how much influence they have.
02:35:16.120They basically control all of America's foreign policy and a good deal of the domestic policy as well.
02:35:22.780I just think that Canada needs to solve its own problems.
02:35:25.500And I don't feel like we need Donald Trump to take over our country to solve it.
02:35:33.180I mean, are we so impotent that we just need some strong man from south of the border to come in and save us?
02:35:41.180Well, I don't think that we should think of ourselves as these hopeless damsels in distress who are just so impotent and so helpless that we need someone abroad.
02:35:52.060We need to throw away our entire history of independence, loyalism, of the crown and throw away everything which actually we identify with to have some strong man to come in and save us when he's, I mean, it remains to be seen whether he's actually going to do that in the United States.
02:36:08.240Now, I think so far Trump has done some decent things for the U.S.
02:36:25.540He's done some good work on illegal immigration.
02:36:27.820I mean, he still has still a lot more to do on that.
02:36:30.600But it's not like we can't do this ourselves in Canada.0.76
02:36:33.580So even the Liberal Party, as cucked and treasonous as they are, they've actually walked back on some of their more insane policies in the past couple of months.
02:36:44.320So Canada is now taking action to reduce temporary foreign residents, and begrudgingly.
02:36:52.580So it's not like I think someone like Trudeau or the Liberal Party have actually had a change of heart or anything.
02:36:58.260But reality is creeping up on them, and they realize that they've created this disaster.
02:37:02.480So I think we're probably already going to get a lot of the benefits of what I called in my video, America's Thermidorian reaction, that being the United States kind of reeling in some of the more radical aspects of the last 10 years since the Great Awakening.
02:37:18.420So it's not going back to the pre-1965.
02:37:21.360It's not going back to before the revolutions of the 1960s, at least not yet.
02:37:26.760But they are trying to reel in some of the more radical aspects.
02:37:29.580We're already seeing signs of that happening in Canada.
02:37:32.020So I don't think we're actually going to get much of a benefit at all. And maybe the best, the biggest thing would be taxes. But again, like, I mean, that just seems so shallow. That seems to be such a shallow proposition to just throw away your country's sovereignty.
02:37:49.500Now, I know Canada is not exactly a sovereign country. I mean, we're dominated by these crazy anti-white libtards, by Zionists, by Jews, by Chinese, Indians, and all these other groups are basically dominating Canada right now and the actual heritage Canadians.0.95
02:38:07.860And, well, we don't really have very real representation, but I don't think we're going to get that by even further enslaving ourselves to globalism.0.93
02:38:18.280So that's why I'm opposed to Canada being part of the U.S.
02:42:31.520But it's a huge gift, I think, for people like us because it's activating Canadians.1.00
02:42:37.920I got a normie talking to me today of like, wow, our country is so fucked.0.98
02:42:41.500Are we going to become part of America?1.00
02:42:42.860And it's a very sort of activating thing where it's like, you know, our leaders are terrible.
02:42:49.320You know, like it's very clear to like normal people like how much of a mess this country is.
02:42:54.800uh and i think there's opportunity there to try and leverage that in a positive direction however
02:43:01.100a lot of the right-wing people are sort of from what i've from what i've seen and i'm kind of
02:43:07.520seeing i'm not speaking to anybody specifically on this on this chat here but um like i've seen
02:43:12.120some of it on twitter someone was like posting how again it will be 10 states there's all these
02:43:17.260great things and i don't even necessarily disagree with any of that but why um why i think it's like
02:43:24.160an issue is like for me the activating moment needs to be a how about how apolitical and
02:43:32.020apathetic Canadians are like that is the problem that I've been trying to solve and trying to
02:43:37.940address ever since I joined politics however many years ago however many years it was ago now0.85
02:43:42.980which is Canadians don't care about their own country Canadians do not get off the couch to0.94
02:43:50.280do anything and sure there's a lot of fat americans who don't care either but there there is a0.95
02:43:55.840difference there is a difference where americans treat their politics like a sport americans have
02:44:02.060this autonomy of my freedom my constitution we don't have that here in canada and that's why i
02:44:08.240find it so it's so ironic or it's i don't know if it's ironic or whatever but you know there's all
02:44:13.500these people these these americans sorry these canadian right wingers who who are like yeah
02:44:17.800we'll get all the benefits of the american constitution it's like well you need a population
02:44:24.220of people who want to enforce the constitution for the constitution to mean anything you know
02:44:29.440what i mean so if we have canadians still living in canada but now it's america we're still going
02:44:33.740to have a whole bunch of apathetic people here who don't care to put pressure on the politicians
02:44:37.640don't care to actually engage like all of a sudden once we become american we're going to have all0.99
02:44:42.540the people living here like suddenly start to give a shit about politics you know because if you look0.97
02:44:47.260at the problems in our country, it's coming from a lack of civic engagement. It's coming from a0.99
02:44:53.520lack of intense political participation. We're getting outmaneuvered by the World
02:45:00.460Sikh Organization, Sikhs who are alien to the historic makeup of Canada, and they're infiltrating
02:45:07.860our political institutions, all types of the trucking industry, you name it. They're outmaneuvering
02:45:14.460us and taking over our institutions and you know until more canadians start to fight back and start0.99
02:45:21.340to give a shit and start to try and claw their way into uh into politics and start caring i don't see0.97
02:45:27.820how you know the problem is going to be solved because if we just become america how do those0.99
02:45:32.840problems just go away isn't it just going to be like a new sort of system just with the same people
02:45:38.180participating in it like if someone can answer that question i don't know because you know another
02:45:43.000sort of totally naive part of the conversation of people wanting to be annexed is like they
02:45:49.800actually believe that what american bureaucrats like like everyone in ottawa is going to be fired
02:45:54.920or something and like like all the ottawa bureaucrats are just going to go away or something
02:45:59.240like like all these corrupt pieces of who only care about their pensions are suddenly just going
02:46:04.440to be like you know a bunch of american patriots are going to come in and just remove them out of
02:46:09.560office and now and then here's the thing and now what now american patriots are going to be ruling
02:46:14.360our institutions like it's it's is that good is that better how do we know like why is it so much
02:46:20.160better to be ruled over by washington dc than it is ottawa it's not well there's a great comment
02:46:26.500here by lee stewie all the maple magatars have never once attended a town hall or city council
02:46:32.180meeting and that touches on something you were just saying there greg and something i was even
02:46:35.540talking to mr fahrenheit before the stream which is the simple question of what hypothetically i
02:46:41.360know we're all internet guys talking about this but what actually would be in it for america and
02:46:47.980there's a case we've made for resources and arctic sovereignty and whatnot but i think we'd already
02:46:52.560discussed that would canadian patriots love the constitution would they fight would they die for
02:46:59.820the american constitution probably not so like what what actually would be gained and but that
02:47:05.440reveals an interesting phenomena in canada something that i've been trying to fight against
02:47:11.320for much of my adult life i know fortisacks and many other canadian nationalist types do this
02:47:15.940which is that it seems that no matter what even now canada seems to define its vigor by reaction
02:47:23.640to america and what is to be done about that like look how many canadian patriots have appeared
02:47:28.040the moment uh mean american said something liberal conservative all kinds of different
02:47:32.980ideologies but that's how canada has been defining itself most of my life it's we the
02:47:38.920canadian identity is we're not americans we're more this is what the liberals would say but
02:47:43.560even the conservatives when i was young we are more engaged we're more enlightened you know we're0.98
02:47:48.520we're not brash we're not jerry springer country like those fucking americans but i'm like at no0.97
02:47:53.700point have we generated our own distinct identity and that presents certain problems however we need0.98
02:48:00.020to answer that question because even now it seems that look at what trump did and look at what you
02:48:06.280know a few talking heads are through the entire nation into discombobulation we have you know it's
02:48:11.820it is preposterous that we're talking about this but you know who else is talking about it0.96
02:48:15.640mayors throughout the fucking country you know politicians are talking about this in canada as0.98
02:48:21.500if it's serious they're joking about it but tariffs aren't fucking around you know there's0.99
02:48:26.660actual consequences to these things and look what a few words we're able to do to discombobulate the
02:48:32.280entire nation and to cause this electrical surge of patriotism however is not generated from within
02:48:40.260and i think therein lies the problem and it seems just to greg's point that canadians broadly aside
02:48:48.060from all our friends are not ready to even have a serious conversation about what a canadian is
02:48:54.780except something that is opposed to america any thoughts on that so i've got a few and there's a
02:49:02.620few contextual and very important things to mention here firstly i don't agree with the framing that
02:49:09.020our reaction to the states in this situation or in the past is a liberal phenomenon because it's not
02:49:16.560it was hijacked by the liberals in the 60s that is a primordial instinct in canadians that goes
02:49:22.600back to the very founding it goes back to the very very beginning of canadians existence as a
02:49:27.960people and it was rooted in real things that mattered such as republicanism the crown god
02:49:34.520king and country so on and so forth our very philosophical foundation uh so there's a part
02:49:39.920of that there in uh just for clarity i was talking more recently not yeah yeah as well
02:49:45.660no no you're absolutely right and the other thing is you know the reason you i would argue the
02:49:50.700reason you don't see so much political participation is is purely the diversity and you can actually
02:49:55.520scale this with how diverse a society is uh you can scale that with how high trust the society is
02:50:01.860the more diverse a society the less high trust it is the less civic participate uh the less civic
02:50:06.560participation there is the less engagement with political systems and communities there is uh so
02:50:12.000So, you know, that is a, it could be argued that that's a side effect of that. It's a side effect of the, of the multicultural post-national implementation. If nobody feels like they're represented, except for the people who are attempting to exploit the nation and its, and its mechanisms in government, then, then what do you have, right? You have nothing.
02:50:30.740great point any other thoughts on i guess we're getting something to call the nature of identity
02:50:38.860and you had actually for a second you had a couple of questions that came through previously
02:50:43.220um one i'm trying to look for it here but it was the question of whether in you specifically in
02:50:49.880your mind uh the canadian identity would include um eastern europeans italians maybe other european
02:50:58.180immigrants you know when people talk about mass migration or immigration they tend to think of
02:51:02.740you know india china however canada's history with mass migration was also from europe and it
02:51:07.920caused a lot of controversy at the time all through the 20th century so in your opinion
02:51:11.360on the topic of canadian identity would that include um italians ukrainians and the like
02:51:17.780let's no let's i know you addressed that to fortisacks but let's cut right to the heart of
02:51:22.160the issue the largest structural problem with the canadians with the canadian identity with
02:51:27.820the whole concept of a Canada, is that it is founded upon attempting to make two separate
02:51:33.540nations with two separate languages, two separate confessional heritages, two separate histories
02:51:39.440that, you know, that genocided each other on the Canadian landmass, attempting to take that and to
02:51:47.540forge that into one coherent identity. That is the greatest structural problem with Canada,
02:51:54.460is this pretension, this idea that you can make Anglo-Canadians and Quebecois one nation
02:52:00.560as though they are one people, as though the Battle of the Plains of Abraham didn't happen.
02:55:31.940So I'm going to look, I'm going to point out three different things. And to your credit, Dimes, you actually made a point in point not too long ago. I believe it was on your discussion with Marin Chuck, where you said that core to the Canadian identity has always been this push and pull between ethnic Anglo-Canadians and French Canadians. And I think that there's something to that.
02:55:53.120I think that they work as forces in some ways that stabilize each other and remind them of who they are.
02:56:00.380And they also keep each other in check. And historically, this has always been the case, as a matter of fact.
02:56:05.820Now, to the point as well, the founders of Confederation in 1867, a great many of them were Francophone.
02:56:13.020They were actually pro-Anglo Francophones. Not too long ago, a couple of days ago, I posted a number of quotes from a number of those fathers of Confederation.
02:56:21.060and also we are a confederation we're a confederal entity or rather we're a federation but we're
02:56:26.300modeled on a confederal model so we do have a great deal of decentralization the provinces
02:56:32.180are nominally in some ways more independent than u.s states are but in other ways u.s states are
02:56:38.400more independent than canadian provinces are so there is a great deal of decentralization and
02:56:44.120yes yeah you know there's always been a tension between the unitary character of canadians
02:56:48.180We are inherently authoritarian. We pretend that we're not. We pretend that we're liberals. We've made liberalism our ideology since the 60s. The fact of the matter is that it's not in our character. It's not in our temperament. The evidence of this is in how we treat gun laws and free speech and property rights. Technically, we have no property rights or rights to private property. We have the right to own guns, but we have severe restrictions. We might have free speech and freedom of expression, but we also have limitations on that with hate speech.
02:57:14.440so yeah you're you know that's 100 true on the fundamental differences between the english or
02:57:19.820the anglo-canadians and the french canadians uh they united and formed the country on the basis
02:57:25.060of their rejection of liberal ideas that was the unifying force uh the french viewed themselves as
02:57:30.780the last bastion of the ancien regime and of course the anglo-canadians were were loyalists
02:57:35.220and they had that in common and what you did see in canada's early history was a lot of early
02:57:39.620religious crossovers a lot of intermarriages uh myself my own family comes from this so while
02:57:44.900there was tension yes the acadians were deported what you didn't mention and perhaps you didn't
02:57:49.540know this many people don't know this to your credit uh the acadians were actually invented
02:57:53.560invited back that's why new brunswick is the only officially bilingual province in the country
02:57:58.300because they were invited back and they actually pretty much run the entirety of northern new
02:58:03.840brunswick so they are there to this day conversely the cajuns who went down to louisiana
02:58:08.860disappeared they were assimilated and they were turned into a tourist attraction but uh so yeah
02:58:14.800so we did manage to make this experiment work for 230 years really until the 1960s when the
02:58:20.720communists subverted the sovereignist movements of Quebec well the other the other point is that
02:58:25.620the reason it kind of works is because French Canadians have their own unique part of the
02:58:31.060country so it's not like uh it's not like all of the country is is like 70 percent Anglo-Canadian
02:58:37.700and 30% French-Canadian, at least historically.
02:58:41.200Well, they were concentrated in Quebec,
02:58:59.660That really wasn't as much of an issue.
02:59:01.200It seems like it's more of a federal thing.
02:59:03.020But I mean, getting back to the point of the discussion, though,
02:59:05.580So how on earth is us joining the United States going to actually solve any of these problems for Canada or for the U.S.?
02:59:13.680I mean, if Canada has a problem with having French Canadians and Anglo Canadians, well, I mean, the U.S. has that problem times 10 with with the issue with the pounding stock of America,
02:59:25.240then the blacks, the Irish, the Italians and now Hispanics, everyone else who has come since then.
02:59:30.660And so with Canada, we now have the problem with Indians and Chinese and Muslims, whoever else you want to throw in there, native Canadians.
02:59:41.460But I just don't see how if the big problem here is the lack of homogeneity, which I agree that this is the problem, that it is the ultimate problem is with this idea of multiculturalism and the idea that you can just slot any person into any kind of system.
02:59:58.560And if they just have the right values, then it's going to work.
03:00:03.160And this is an idea which basically comes from the U.S.
03:00:06.280I'm not saying I blame Americans for Canada adopting this idea, but the United States was very influential on both Canada and Europe in adopting this idea of the proposition nation.
03:00:18.140I mean, how on earth is Canada going to actually solve this problem by becoming a U.S. state?
03:00:22.480That's just going to make the whole thing worse.
03:00:25.500I just want to piggyback on that point.
03:00:28.560And more so from the Canadian perspective, right? Because a lot of the Canadians that think becoming America will be better, it's like, well, it's not like there's going to be a huge migration of different peoples. And in Ottawa, the problem has been that it's not Canadian interests first. It's the interests of lobbyists. It's the interests of foreign special interest groups that have like infiltrated the institutions in Ottawa.
03:00:51.440And then on top of that, it's Quebec interests seems to be able to bully people around in in Ottawa to make final decisions.
03:00:58.980And then on top of that, it'll be, well, American interests right on top of all of that, as if everything else below that would go away.
03:01:07.560It's like, no, it would just make everything even more complicated.
03:01:10.420And for those, if you forgot, Canadian interest is at the very bottom of that totem pole.
03:01:16.600And let's let's remember our elite theory here.
03:01:19.500All right. The Quebecois self-conceive as a group separate from the rest of Canada, even if they conceive of themselves as a group within Canada.
03:01:27.040I completely agree with the point. They're not a majority. They're generally concentrated in one area.
03:01:31.980But they are an organized minority within Canada at the expense of the majority, which is Anglo-Canadians.
03:01:37.980And they very much push government policy to favor their specific province over other provinces.
03:01:44.240This is why you cannot have a bilingual state, because one will be the majority, one will be the minority. The organized minority will utilize its power, will utilize its influence to push around the majority. This is how it works. This is how elite theory works.
03:01:59.880And this is this has been a problem with Canada and more so, you know, that's hijacking is largely due to the Québécois. All right. I'm not here to blame them or to or to or to cast anything on their feet as a people. Right. I'm not I'm not here. I'm not here to claim that the Canadians aren't a people. They clearly are. You know, the Québécois clearly are. All right. And I'm not even really here to sell to Canadians the annexation of Canada by the United States. Frankly, I don't really want it to happen.
03:02:28.620I don't care. I think the juice isn't worth the squeeze for the United States. But the problem is, and the point I am making is, is that if that decision comes and that decision does occur, Canada doesn't get a say into whether it happens.
03:02:46.620Canada doesn't decide whether the United States will annex or not.
03:03:06.880Yes, you have it in Alberta, but you have to bring it all the way across Canada to Ottawa where the large concentration of your military infrastructure is.
03:03:13.600The point is, and what I came on here, I didn't come on here to sell America annexing Canada.
03:03:20.860I came on here to sell to you Canadians that you must look at the state of your country right now.
03:03:27.060You must understand the failures that have occurred, and you cannot blame America for it.
03:03:39.040No, I'm not saying you all gentlemen are, but many Canadians do.
03:03:42.720Many Canadians blame America for the state of their problems, just as many Europeans blame America for the state of their problems.
03:03:48.920Many of these decisions are domestic decisions made by Canadian politicians.
03:03:52.860And also, if I can just jump in there, I just want to jump in there just to, because I'm going to let you guys go off in a second, but just to make sure that I sort of build into Paul's point there, there is a conversation to be had about whether or not this is inevitable, this annexation.
03:04:09.400So remove it from the morality of it. Remove it from anything that we think ought to happen. If we look at it from sort of a neorealist approach of just pure geopolitics, if there are resources in Canada that are not being exploited, many Canadians would agree on this.
03:04:26.200And if there is a credible national security threat, doesn't matter what it is, let's just say it is, is it inevitable that if Canada cannot exert its own sovereignty against these forces, and it seems to affect America, will someone step in?0.98
03:04:40.940because you know if you always think back to um fuck what's his fucking name um anyway is this0.97
03:04:47.980idea that sovereignty isn't a status it is a space to be occupied that if you cannot control0.99
03:04:55.300your land someone will inevitably step into it which and if america if canada becomes a void
03:05:02.840and it's federal government nothing of the canadian people if if the lateral unity between
03:05:08.800the provinces cannot maintain and there's a void of sovereignty it will either either be america
03:05:14.800or russia or china one of them will be through geopolitical forces forced to step in now that's
03:05:21.600a side conversation just wanted to build that into pause now everyone else can continue so there's a
03:05:26.560third player here that nobody's mentioning and that's the eu which i also do think is a viable
03:05:31.520option i'm surprised nobody has mentioned that because uh the french government the french
03:05:37.920foreign minister is offering the danish currently a small garrison of an expeditionary troops in
03:05:43.600greenland i'm not sure what the intent of that is maybe it's just a show of force maybe it's just to
03:05:49.280you know show support for their fellow european union member but uh it's not looking like the
03:05:54.880european vassals of the american empire are too content being bullied in this kind of way
03:05:59.140and also just to build that point when i was speaking to jason mirinchuk on his show he's a
03:06:03.820big proponent of this theory of international politics that i don't subscribe to but i find
03:06:09.500it interesting i'm looking into it that the bank of england and the city of london is really the
03:06:14.820key holder to all world events and that's so many economic crises pull back to them and that
03:06:20.300it is the bank of england and the city of london that is opening up the canadian theater in a war
03:06:26.920with america and then you know there's other add that to the un and another we were talking about
03:06:33.360this for a secs before the show even we were speaking of the last referendum in canada and
03:06:38.120we were talking of um i think it was on with benjamin boyce we were talking about equalization
03:06:42.860payments that are made to quebec from other caravans and saying well if canada falls who0.57
03:06:48.500the fuck is going to support quebec and you had correctly said that at the time of the last
03:06:52.360referendum i believe uh france would have been a player there as well so if i'm remembering0.99
03:06:57.680correctly jacques parisot uh managed to get the support or guaranteed support of the french and
03:07:03.440a number of other francophone countries they were prepared that if the vote was a yes that they were
03:07:09.060going to immediately recognize quebec as a sovereign nation so there was no way for the
03:07:13.200federal government to back out and if basically forcing them to allow them to leave um so that
03:07:20.300is a possibility the eu also has substantial ties in montreal this is something people don't realize
03:07:25.440There are a number of European subsidiaries or just directly European branch offices to a number of companies located in Montreal.
03:07:32.680Montreal is the gateway between North America and Europe, not just culturally or historically, but also economically.
03:07:40.980And it's also through the French Canadians themselves, most of whom are bilingual.
03:07:46.880And they sort of act as the gateway peoples between Europe and the North American continent.
03:07:50.880obviously this follows the broader theme of Canada being a mix between the old world and
03:07:55.660the new not just from the French but that's just how we've always been we've always been this
03:07:59.140crossroads this weird curious crossroads between the two continents so I see especially like I'm
03:08:06.580not look I'm not convinced that the Russians are going to be a key player in the near future I
03:08:11.020think it's obvious now that the Chinese are eclipsing them I think that the I think it's
03:08:15.000more that the Russians will be vassalized by the Chinese or at least have a arm's length partnership
03:08:19.640with them where the Chinese are the superior partner. I don't believe that the Russians are
03:08:23.360going to be projecting force in the Arctic anytime soon. I think the bigger issue is the Chinese.
03:08:27.760That being said, with that gap being filled, and if you remember a couple of years ago,
03:08:32.660Germany now has the fourth highest military budget on the planet, but that's dependent,
03:08:37.200and whether or not they use it against the Russians or American enemies is dependent on
03:08:41.140how long the Americans can keep them on their chain. Because as many people were pointing out
03:08:45.880when this was occurring and the european vassals were increasing their military budgets uh will
03:08:52.260european nations with bigger militaries respect their previous alliances now that they have the
03:08:57.960ability to project force now that they have the ability to shake off whoever is calling the shots
03:09:02.700right that's something people are not asking questions for so no and also are they going to
03:09:08.160be libtarded forever i don't think so i think you're seeing some very significant political
03:09:12.000shifts in the european continent right now macron's government is failing the fn were extremely
03:09:17.340popular in the last european parliament elections uh the germans are swinging far to the right the
03:09:22.080second biggest party is the or third biggest party is the afd if i'm not mistaken they may be
03:09:26.140second soon so that is a shifting landscape entirely sweden is already succeeding at re-migrating
03:09:32.460some people they keep increasing the amount of money they're paying to migrants to get them to
03:09:36.800leave which has proven to be a mixed strategy but there seems to be some success on that front
03:09:41.120So for how much longer is the EU just simply going to take orders from the UN or from the Washington DC elite? I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure. I would sooner see a European and Canadian coalition in Canada be annexed or further integrated with the United States, given its socioeconomic circumstances.
03:09:58.540The problem with throwing in with the EU is they are not a power. They don't have commodities. They don't have domestic military industry. They don't have the agricultural base. They don't have oil. They don't have any of these other things, which a modern 21st century military requires.
03:10:14.640The EU's independence, if it were to be independent, it would be a regional power at best. It cannot force project into Canada. And in addition, if Canada were to throw in with a theoretically independent EU of the United States or to throw in with Russia or China, another geopolitical lobby, that immediately becomes a casus belli for the United States to invade.
03:10:38.680don't you understand this? If Canada throws in with another lobby, then annexation becomes a
03:10:44.720reality and not a theoretical discussion we're having. So Canada's continued nominal sovereignty,
03:10:55.900as we're saying here, Canada's continued nominal sovereignty is possible. And I believe that the
03:11:02.040best way to do that is for Canadians to look and address their own domestic issues at the moment.
03:11:06.280And Mr. Wycliffe makes a very excellent point in the sense that being absorbed by the United States will not solve the problems of Canada.
03:19:43.320So all of what we're talking about is certainly possible.
03:19:45.620yeah and i think that uh like it's an apt analogy that's been said many times before but it's like
03:19:52.580you know canada is like the younger brother to the states you know paul like i don't think there's
03:19:57.040any canadians who are like we're tougher we're we're stronger than the united states i don't
03:20:01.820know if that's that's ever happened but uh the problem right now is that canada has become so
03:20:08.400uh it is on it has dishonored itself to such a degree that the younger brother is now wearing1.00
03:20:14.820a dress with makeup on and you know america's like what the fuck canada like what the fuck1.00
03:20:20.200have you done like you're you're you're pathetic like what what is going on here but um i wanted1.00
03:20:25.220to uh i need to get going here soon but i wanted to talk about the whole anti-americanism thing0.97
03:20:30.340because uh i think that's very very apt for this discussion and also i was writing a sub stack all
03:20:35.820about this topic and um essentially i think that it's always been somewhat of a defining
03:20:44.300characteristic for canada obviously because of our history being right next to you guys and the war
03:20:49.240and all that but um i think in the more modern times recently like since the 60s it has become
03:20:56.420a rejection of nationalism itself like we we or at least like maybe i'm just speaking from my own
03:21:03.780experience but whenever i think of being anti-american which is something that i grew up1.00
03:21:08.980with i thought oh those stupid fat americans and they and they you know they have all of their1.00
03:21:14.100fireworks and they're so pompous and proud of themselves. America, we're the best, blah, blah,1.00
03:21:19.680blah. And I'm like, we're not like that. We're not pompous. We're not excitable. We're not
03:21:25.400patriotic. Like that's what that anti-Americanism that I grew up with was about. It wasn't just
03:21:33.780about not being loud mouth or not being proud, but it was also like not even being patriotic and
03:21:39.520rejecting patriotism so by being anti-american like in in my experience growing up in canada
03:21:46.860it was throwing the baby out with the bath water it was throwing out patriotism with with all of
03:21:53.260that as well i'm not proud of my country like americans i'm just a humble doormat for the
03:21:59.460third world like this is what this turned into and uh i think that is why it's you know it's it
03:22:05.740has killed our nationalism the anti-americanism become became almost like the tip of the spear
03:22:10.780maybe that's not the best analogy for this but no it is it was like maybe like the poison in the well
03:22:15.880rather of uh evaporating any sense of national identity it gave way for trudeau to be you know
03:22:23.780because trump was around at the same time orange man bad we are canada we're welcoming we are you
03:22:30.600know progressive values and that's it but um i mean we can touch this topic but i i do have to
03:22:38.100get going though other thing i wanted to say just to kind of bring it back to some practicality and0.66
03:22:42.160talk about like the threats of globalism and all this shit uh paul is app paul was absolutely0.82
03:22:46.840correct when he's like it's not up to you it's out of your control it could just happen it won't be0.95
03:22:53.480up to us we won't have a say like it'll be like a decision that's made from the halls of power
03:22:59.080in washington dc if this this does play out or even uh fortis action was giving the example of
03:23:06.300you know the european union or what have you or maybe it's russia or something like this
03:23:10.380or maybe the calistani uh cell expands enough to take over canada and now we're going to be
03:23:16.800in a second state of india that'd be horrible but um my point in all this is is like you know
03:23:21.740once again come bringing it back to the practicality if you're in the if if you're in
03:23:26.740europe if you're german if you're american if you're a canadian citizen at the end of the day
03:23:31.700the problem is can we trust the people leading us because if i was an american i would be very
03:23:37.040concerned about the effect of apac the effect of you know israeli influence on american politicians
03:23:43.640and the halls of power and that is reflected in canada with especially the conservative party
03:23:50.080yeah well if you didn't know paul the leader of the conservative party said that
03:23:55.960um iran is a genocidal state and it would be a gift to humanity if israel bombed iran so it
03:24:05.020wouldn't it be interesting if we did if they did annex canada and we became one nation and this
03:24:10.220whole nation of the united states union or the you know united america union with canada now
03:24:15.840also supports everything israel is doing like you know apac just consolidated its power
03:24:21.260uh in all of north america and and you know it's it's kind of been said already but
03:24:27.380it's it this is kind of like really like low iq alex jones stuff but it's like the globalists
03:24:35.640want to unionize all the countries and make it a one world government and you know i know that
03:24:40.600american patriots will say no but it'll be different because it'll be led by america
03:24:44.140and it's like well if it's all still america it comes down to who is near the levers of power who
03:24:49.660is in control who is making the decisions and uh if you have everything coming from the same
03:24:55.260central location it's still the same effect as a uh one world government you know and actually
03:25:01.500kind of back to the original point one of the main concerns as well of just becoming part of america
03:25:06.080is we have a lot of democrat voters here the most of our population are in these big city centers
03:25:12.680you know like i don't know who's going to do the gerrymandering of like determining all this stuff
03:25:16.960but it's like hey yeah trump held helped us become america okay there's a lot of brown
03:25:22.440liberal people people here and guess what we're gonna vote in mr beast tranny in like 2036 so0.99
03:25:29.220now we're gonna get rid of all gun law you know what i mean it's the fucking worst globalist0.96
03:25:33.540nightmare you could imagine i think you all sort of flatter yourselves by assuming you would0.94
03:25:37.300immediately have voting rights upon annexation no i agree with you mind you that like the majority
03:25:43.120of u.s three fifths paul the majority of u.s states were territories for many years prior to
03:25:49.220prior to actually gaining voting rights in congress you know they were they were they
03:25:52.720were territories um i'm no friend of apac like i don't i feel like that's so trite that i don't
03:25:58.320need to like like state that like obviously like i'm not here i'm not trying to point at the moat
03:26:04.580in my brother's eye here i'm just you know like that's what i'm here for anyway continue mr
03:26:09.820Wycliffe. No, Greg, I mean, you were right. It's funny hearing this from the populace because they
03:26:15.900think that they're going to get favorable terms. And the example I like to give is, you know,
03:26:20.020you take a, you take a province and I'm not, I'm not throwing shade on any of our Western
03:26:23.940Canadians here. You know, I love you guys. I have much respect for Alberta. Um, but a landlocked
03:26:30.020province that is barely 5 million people that is already underrepresented in the Confederation
03:26:35.020jumping into a country of 330 million people and becoming a safe oil state much like montana or
03:26:42.320idaho is not going to be really well represented in that situation either and the idea that any
03:26:47.400of the provinces would be organized into states and given full states rights and not a frozen
03:26:51.780shithole like port like basically frozen puerto rico is just complete nonsense like there's
03:26:56.420absolutely no not to mention as greg touched on uh you know the jostling around this would cause0.99
03:27:02.720in the electoral college is insane like they're they're not going to want to upset that balance
03:27:06.600of power by giving canadians voting rights like it's just it's absurd just to think that will be
03:27:11.780anything more than a resource territory uh you know any more than a resource extraction economy
03:27:17.220than we currently are right i just got one last point before uh ducking out here to kind of jump
03:27:22.540on that which is you know normies are so frustrating like people who don't follow
03:27:27.300follow politics because they have such a naive worldview, right? And what I'm getting at here
03:27:33.920is that at the end of the day, you, you constantly have in politics, you can't constantly have this
03:27:39.820struggle for power, for resources and different people, different factions, different countries,
03:27:46.260governments are going to be warring over that. Right. And so this, you know, giving the example
03:27:52.580of Alberta if they get if only they get annexed you know is Alberta going to be happy is Canada
03:27:58.060going to be happy at the end of the day folks we have bullies in suits who represent either
03:28:04.040corporate interests or foreign special interests or what have you and they are the ones who are
03:28:09.180going to be at the negotiating table they're going to be the ones who are pushing for what they want
03:28:13.360is it going to be for the American people or is it going to be for you know the the oil tycoons
03:28:19.720And I guess at the end of the day, like I try to bring it back to this when we have these conversations, because I feel like we can get so like high, you know, high minded.
03:28:27.100And it's like, well, let's bring it back down to reality here.
03:28:29.440Like, like, how are the actual people going to get what, you know, represented properly?
03:28:35.160Because I think like, you know, in any scenario, if it's the EU, if it's America, we're still facing the same problems.
03:28:43.380And that's that's kind of why I try to bring it back to that.
03:33:19.820And this party managed to show up very conspicuously after the Albertans were thinking of trying to sell their oil on the international market rather than through the United States, almost as if the Americans didn't want any competition, which wouldn't surprise me at all.
03:33:37.700There are also weird ties with Ernest Manning and being a televangelist and, if I'm recalling correctly, the CIA, something to do with U.S. intelligence and their own strains of Christianity are curiously American in their denominations compared to what Eastern Canada was historically, which was primarily Anglican and Catholic.
03:34:07.480They have interfered. Nobody knows why and the exact reasons why the Avro Aero was canceled. Some say the Avro Aero project was infiltrated by the Soviets. There's some evidence for that. Some say the Americans threatened the Canadian government. You know what I mean?
03:34:21.740And oddly enough, there's reason to believe this in some respects, because we lost 7000 aerospace engineers who went on to work for General Motors, General Electric and the U.S. Air Force.
03:34:34.600You know, so who knows? There's something to that. Could they exploit the various nationalisms in this country?
03:34:39.640Yes. Or the various regionalisms in the country to their benefit? Absolutely.
03:34:43.860They already have. Like there's there's no doubt about that.
03:34:46.560it's funny you had mentioned the uh i just got the national post pulled up here and i remember
03:34:51.520now that we've covered this on blood satellite the alberta 51 project and we looked into it
03:34:57.040and i think it was just one guy one guy in his like trailer you know and i only think he lived
03:35:02.800in alberta that was the fucking thing i think he was born in alberta also like jason jason myron
03:35:07.740chuck who doesn't live in canada advocating for our annexation yeah he moved to like ohio or0.96
03:35:12.660something like that and then it was just a weird convoluted thing but uh there are examples of this
03:35:18.400good point but how uh much how seriously can they be taken um if anyone else has any thoughts on
03:35:24.800that whether or not and this is just my scheme for how this could play out because i do take this
03:35:30.580topic somewhat seriously because i do think there's historical precedent to um yeah i'm sorry
03:35:35.480continue yeah so um if if it's possible that a complete annexation won't occur of canada um
03:35:41.880Um, it's, it's, it's, it's more likely, you know, if, if any annexation were to occur,
03:35:48.080the United States would more than likely just absorb, uh, the Western provinces, British
03:35:55.580I don't, I don't know if we would grab Saskatchewan, but, um, and I think that would be twofold.
03:35:59.900Uh, number one, to create a land connection with Alaska and number two, it would be to
03:36:04.900grab the Albertan crude because, um, I don't know if anyone here is familiar with the petroleum
03:36:09.860industry um i i'm somewhat familiar with the petroleum industry the united states pulls a
03:36:15.500lot of oil out of the ground out of west texas particularly um that's our large oil producing
03:36:21.240area right now we pull it out in other places as well the thing about albertan crude all right so
03:36:26.460there's different types of crude oil right there's there's lighter grades and there's heavier grades
03:36:30.260lighter grades is made for for more consumer grade gasoline for automobiles and the heavier grades is
03:36:35.800for commercial stuff. We're talking boat fuel, we're talking airline fuel, things like that.
03:36:42.500So heavier grades of crude are a lot more important to the functioning of a 21st century economy
03:36:47.940than lighter grades. And so Canada and Alberta has most of its crude up there is that heavier
03:36:55.460grade, which the United States does not currently have access to a large number of. This is what
03:37:00.280the Keystone Pipeline was meant to do, was meant to have a large amount of access for that Albertan
03:37:06.520crude. And that is, you know, push comes to shove. That is the United States' primary national
03:37:10.640security concern with Canada, is access to those heavier grades of crude oil. And that's why, as
03:37:15.420Mr. Fortisacks pointed out, there is so much American intelligence involvement and power
03:37:20.640political involvement within particularly Western Canada, not only because there's that ethnic
03:37:26.500history that can be exploited by American intelligence agencies. There's also just
03:37:32.040that it's sort of a perfect storm to oppose it to the rest of Canada. So yeah, I mean, that's
03:37:39.960more likely than not. And it may not even be it may not even be an outright annexation. We may
03:37:45.640just recognize Alberta and British Columbia or wherever else as a as an independent nation from
03:37:52.100canada and you know you split it up um that's that's that's sort of my opinion on the whole
03:37:57.740thing so i was going to say that bc i'll just quickly interject here the thing about bc and
03:38:05.180the reason why i think that bc might also be a target is because i think that the u.s intelligence
03:38:09.980agencies are not going to allow a chinese stronghold on the north american continent
03:38:13.720which vancouver very much is as dimes has uh mentioned before there are two very important
03:38:20.200books on this subject. One of them is Willful Blindness, and the other one is Claws of the
03:38:26.640Panda. And they're both about the last 40 years of Chinese infiltration into Metro Vancouver,
03:38:32.360the business community, their real estate and property ownership, assets, all of this capital
03:38:40.960that they've been building up in this area. The fact that they are a substantial demographic in
03:38:45.660metro Vancouver and the fact that they have set up what are functionally police stations
03:38:50.620most across Canada but mostly in Vancouver which intimidate or threaten
03:38:55.620Chinese citizens and during the Hong Kong protests they were also threatening Hong Kongers they were
03:39:02.280trying to get them to go back to mainland China to face justice for protesting against the CCP
03:39:07.240government so as much as I would prefer that if the western if the western provinces were going
03:39:13.600to be taken by the united states as much as i would prefer if bc would huck it on its own
03:39:17.480as its own thing because bc is a weird entity bc is an oddball bc has eastern blood and eastern
03:39:24.400culture but it's located very far on the west coast and so this has created its own kind of
03:39:30.020unique thing it's almost like a weird north american singapore in many ways they've got
03:39:34.800an interesting historic relationship with the chinese and the indians there although they've
03:39:39.740always been very very small numbers so yeah and just that point you get really you get a lot of
03:39:46.640pushback in this space especially in this thing of ours when you mention anything negative about
03:39:51.920china because people say oh you're just falling into a neocon talking point but i'm like okay
03:39:57.620i guess here in america you would but there there are concerns just again remove ideology from it
03:40:05.440just look at this from pure geopolitics if they are a great power as russia is a great power maybe
03:40:12.740not on the same level as america but there is a geopolitical game being played and it is relevant
03:40:18.900and like i said the vast the lion's share of fentanyl flowing into north america is through0.98
03:40:25.100the west coast and it is from china in fucking factories that are working hand in glove with the0.98
03:40:31.520CCP and then the triad. So like, that's just a thing that's happened. Now, important for any0.98
03:40:37.940American listeners, that's different from the Sackler family controlling opioids in the
03:40:43.740pharmaceutical industry in the United States. Sorry, Endeavor, what were you about to say?
03:40:47.180That's something I want to address because there's this meme that if you say anything bad about
03:40:53.160China, you must be a Zionist because you're blaming China and not blaming the Jews. It's just
03:40:58.620such a stupid uh trs meme which came about because like they because they they chalk out all the1.00
03:41:05.680problems in the world up to the jews now i don't deny that that they are a problem but the people1.00
03:41:10.700have to understand that there are other threats in the world and that if china is this massive
03:41:14.440country and it's gonna it's gonna exert itself and we're seeing that in canada it doesn't make
03:41:19.520you a zionist or a sivnat or a neocon or whatever to point out that china is an enemy and they're
03:41:26.460It's a horrible country. I mean, I just view China as like as its own version of dystopia.
03:41:33.200So, you know, the West is Camp of the Saints. China's 1984.
03:41:37.260I don't want Camp of the Saints, but I also don't want 1984 either.
03:41:40.760So we have to get over this idea that and I know this isn't exactly what the stream is about, but we have to get over this idea that the entire problem is it's just the Jews.
03:41:51.460You have to view the Jews in the Zionist lobby as one entity vying for power against many other entities.
03:44:16.420Yeah, but Alberta doesn't seem to even have the positives of the positives of the controlled opposition.0.75
03:44:21.820Right. They seem to be just as woke as all the other provinces.
03:44:24.620So you have the the premier of Alberta, like saying that she wants to double the population of Alberta in a few years.
03:44:31.820And you have her like saying that Sikhs built the province and you have her taking these photo ops with surrounded by these bio Leninist, you know, these anti-racism, H.R. LGBT freaks.
03:44:46.720And it's just like Alberta just seems to have it seems to have the worst of the worst of both worlds, the worst of the right and the worst of the left combined into one.
03:44:56.600I'm not saying this to have a go at any particular province.
03:44:59.200it's it's actually true and it's interesting you point that out because i was recently reading a
03:45:04.880political uh analyst paper of the politics of alberta so what's going on are three political
03:45:11.600power blocks you have the cultural legacy of anglo-canadians you have the cultural legacy
03:45:17.760of anglo-americans and you have the cultural legacy of white ethnics and those historically
03:45:23.840would have been uh germans and ukrainians and what's really fascinating is that edmonton and
03:45:28.960calgary were set up by anglo-canadians they're the centers of power historically they were the seats
03:45:34.480of the social credit party which is more in line with canadian tradition it's more statist it's
03:45:39.120more authoritarian um but you have the periphery which was settled by anglo-americans and they're
03:45:44.400the ones who are all about my guns and liberty and my jesus and uh and all of this stuff now
03:45:50.640the zionist connection in alberta is interesting and i believe it has to do with the evangelicalism
03:45:55.000american style evangelicalism is particularly prevalent in the western provinces and that's
03:45:59.420where that tie comes from now i know we got to get going soon i want to just throw this
03:46:05.400grenade out there actually have two points um i didn't want to confront this with greg because
03:46:10.680i know he tries to keep a bit of a more reasonable public facing profile but one thing i had been
03:46:16.400thinking of during this whole discussion was is this restricted to whites and europeans meaning
03:46:23.820all this talk of annexation even the concern about annexation do the chinese care about that
03:46:29.420do the indians care about that do the mexicans care about that or is this really just something
03:46:34.060that's restricted to white north americans what do you think i can tell you right now that the
03:46:39.160indians are hugely in favor of it uh every indian that i've talked to that i've worked with in
03:46:44.360canada is 110 for it because many of them view canada as a stepping stone to citizenship in
03:46:50.660the united states i worked with a chick in particular who wanted to go to medical school
03:46:55.440in canada so that uh actually constant meme i'm not an ontarian it's even worse i'm a quebecer
03:47:03.740so i spoke to this this indian girl uh and her plan was to get a medical degree and then attempt
03:47:11.580to emigrate to the U.S. on an H-1B or whatever fast track that they get for highly skilled0.98
03:47:18.040immigrants. So for a lot of them, it's just a secondary passport with their ultimate goal
03:47:22.920of going to the States. So they would be 100% in favor of it. Most of the Indians I talk
03:47:39.080oh okay yeah i mean i don't know i just think that i haven't really spoken to very i haven't
03:47:44.580really spoken to very many to see what they have to say about it but i find that most uh at least
03:47:49.920among the the jeets they they just view whatever country they're in they just view it as a as an
03:47:54.860opportunity to scam a bunch of money and then send it back to india so i don't think they i don't
03:48:00.140think they would uh be bothered one way or another but they probably support it because
03:48:03.480well it just expands the market where they can uh where they can run their scams so i mean i
03:48:09.180i'm sure they'd probably be totally in favor of it now i have a proposal china but now here's
03:48:15.540something we can do that can create real unity between canada and america we do a kayfabe we
03:48:24.240pretend that america is forcibly invading canada militarily and everyone gets their guns everyone
03:48:31.440does we're going to do americans love the civil war reenactments let's do an actual war reenactment
03:48:37.720to the point where we're going to talk about doing a draft that will chase all of the indians and
03:48:43.700probably most of the chinese it'll just get all because how many people would actually fight for
03:48:48.540canada and die for canada you'll probably be left with just the people who would and maybe that's
03:48:54.480how we maybe annexation is is the solution to our problems you'd be left but then don't do it
03:49:00.120You'd be left with far right infantry and libtard support staff. That's exactly how it would go down.
03:49:06.040And look, that's that's another thing to consider here. Right. You know, I don't expect I'm very I'm very happy that Donald Trump has been elected.
03:49:16.840And I'm very glad that there is at least some reversing of the very bad policies that are affecting this country.
03:49:26.080And there's even talk that he's kind of reversed on the H1B question as well.
03:49:31.900um now i one of i i i where was i going with this um where i was going with this is um
03:49:44.840where was i going with it was going to be something with the the large amount of of
03:49:51.800indians and east asians that have entered into canada that the government has shown no
03:49:56.040no desire to deport um and that's really that's threat number one if those if those people do
03:50:02.040not leave you will not have a Canada much longer um or at least yes good no I was just going to
03:50:09.800say yes and no there's actually and to your credit I was going to say that regardless of
03:50:14.100my criticisms that I've laid out in this article of the current situation the socioeconomics and
03:50:18.760demographics of the United States I still think it is objectively a good thing that Donald Trump
03:50:23.700as president i'm seeing a lot of positive signs especially as you said he's attempting to purge0.99
03:50:28.900their uh your bureaucracy of all of these shit libs uh you can see that on the federal government0.99
03:50:35.540workers subreddit they're all pissing and moaning and seething about uh having to go back to work0.99
03:50:41.380in person i remember what i was gonna say but go ahead yeah so they're go ahead okay so they're
03:50:51.140definitely pissing and moaning i obviously i view it as an objective good uh so i you know i just
03:50:56.560wanted to clear the air on that subject i don't think that uh you know i'm not taking the black
03:51:01.640pilled devin stack and uh academic agent take which is uh trump is you know the regime is a
03:51:08.260monolith trump is in with them nothing's going to change it's just going to go back to boiling the
03:51:12.440frog slowly i don't believe that yeah i mean and so i remember what i was going to say you know if
03:51:17.140If I were a Canadian and not an American and I were looking at the situation I was looking at, a possible strategy for the Canadians is, you know, your government is, you know, I agree with you that the Canadians are more authoritarian people than Americans, but your government reflects that.
03:51:36.240And unlike the Americans who have no problem burning down their government, the Canadians, though they do have autonomy, have shown reluctance to do that in the past.
03:51:45.280Were I a Canadian nationalist, and my goal is long-term Canadian strength and sovereignty, it is possible that you could do what Yaki states, which is a higher being accepts temporary slavery for a time with a purpose.
03:52:01.400um if i were canada um a strategy i would very much consider is allowing the united states to
03:52:08.840annex us uh with a negotiated settlement keeping as much as possible taking as much advantage of
03:52:14.880american economic development as possible waiting you know mr fortisaks you claim the united states
03:52:21.820is a declining empire i believe that you are not correct there i believe your clock is wrong and i
03:52:29.140believe you you think that we're at a different state of the of the empire than we actually are
03:52:34.580however you are correct or i mean this isn't too early as the same as being wrong but at the same
03:52:39.660time all empires fall and the united states will eventually one day and look people people
03:52:46.160misunderstand what i think and what i'm saying look i'm not here i don't believe the united
03:52:51.220states is invincible the united states will collapse one day it will cease to be whatever
03:52:55.580it is one day. All right. But if you're betting that Canada can outlast whatever has been created
03:53:01.260in the South, one of one possible strategy I would recommend, and I would consider where I
03:53:06.580Canadian nationalist is accepting annexation with a negotiated settlement, keeping as much Canadian
03:53:12.080autonomy as possible. And then just exploiting the United States for economic development,
03:53:17.320rebuilding a Canadian territorial military, volunteering to take up more national security
03:53:22.480tasks, etc., etc., waiting for the United States to decline to such a point, and then doing what
03:53:27.020the United States did with Great Britain, you know, declaring independence at a certain point.
03:53:30.840That's definitely something that could be done, all right? The point is, and I think the one
03:53:36.140thing that everyone agrees on, you know, for me, and my ideal solution to this problem,
03:53:43.060I came on to argue the pro-American side because, you know, frankly, someone has to be the bad guy.
03:53:49.180um my me personally i want canada to be a serious nation as much as you all do
03:53:55.680all right if canada became a serious nation do you know how many untold billions of trillions
03:54:01.660of dollars it would save my country in in annexing i don't want to annex canada i don't
03:54:07.640want the woes that come with territorial expansion i don't want to have to deal with
03:54:11.940an angry Quebecois with their own language in that province. I don't want to deal with any of
03:54:20.540this. I don't want the United States to deal with any of this. All right. It's a waste of time. It's
03:54:25.580a waste of money. And if Canada could just do what it's done in the past, which is take itself
03:54:31.260seriously and have, you know, but unfortunately it's going to have to be the Canadian people who
03:54:36.720do it. You know, you, you, you all need to find a way to remove your rulers and to, and to fix
03:54:43.340your government. And that's, that's what it comes down to. If you all can manage to do that, I will
03:54:48.680be the first one to say, no, Canada can carry its own weight. We, the United States doesn't need to
03:54:52.640get involved. But until that point, this question will not go away. Well, yeah, I guess what I'll
03:54:59.640say is that I also do agree that it's a good thing that Donald Trump won. I totally disagree
03:55:05.140with this idea that it's just going to boil the frog slower. No, I mean, he's legitimately done
03:55:09.760some good things, like getting rid of libtards, as many libtards as you can from the bureaucracy,
03:55:15.900it just needs to be done. But I guess in terms of Canada, I just think that we can do this
03:55:23.520ourselves. I just don't think we need to be annexed by the United States in order for us to do it.
03:55:29.220And I'm actually quite confident that Canadians could actually do something similar. So again,
03:55:34.660Trump is not going to fix the problem in the U.S. on a fundamental level, but he is going to stop
03:55:41.420the bleed. He looks like he has a possibility of stopping the bleeding. And I think that we
03:55:49.000could do this in Canada as well. I'm certainly not a fan of Polly Eve or the Conservative Party
03:55:55.240or anything like that. But even within the Liberal Party, they seem to be eating crow a bit. And even
03:56:01.740they're backtracking on some of the more insane elements of their uh of their politics over the
03:56:07.140past couple of years well i mean they fired look they fired ramaskami from doge and then all of a
03:56:13.020sudden elon's talking about the necessity of germany of protecting german culture so i was
03:56:17.460quite impressed with that 180 degree turn but um so just a remark on the demographic thing with the
03:56:25.160south asians paul i wanted to mention so as of right now it seems that around 40 to 45 percent
03:56:31.160of Canadians support the mass deportation of the last 6.2 million people who entered the country
03:56:36.440over the last four years. And that, you know, I'm not an accelerationist guy. I'm not somebody who
03:56:41.760believes that things necessarily getting worse red pills people or wakes them up. If you look
03:56:47.340at South Africa, there are still bleeding heart libtards who believe in, you know, Nelson Mandela's
03:56:54.280Rainbow Nation as they're getting slaughtered in the farmlands. That being said, the demographic
03:57:00.460change happened so quickly that I've had pink haired overweight colleagues tell me that they
03:57:07.000all have to go back all of them the opinion here is changing very rapidly and what we've seen is
03:57:12.700the Liberal Party has outmaneuvered the Conservatives on the mass immigration subject
03:57:16.700the Liberal Party some of their members are either calling for a moratorium their current
03:57:21.640candidates for the race for them to be party leader in March you know are either calling for
03:57:27.440total moratorium or claiming that all illegal immigrants have to be deported, which is absolutely
03:57:33.220insane. Now, obviously, they're doing this to save their own hide. They're doing this because
03:57:38.520they know that if Canada gets annexed, they go from being a big fish in a small pond to a small
03:57:43.400fish in a very, very big pond, which they will be swallowed by with everyone else in it. So there
03:57:50.580is, you know, I'm not I'm not on the Blackpill train when it comes to Canada. I don't believe
03:57:54.700that everything is over. I think there's a lot of room for improvement and maneuvering, especially
03:57:59.420with all the cultural forces that are currently coalescing in this country. The fact that you're
03:58:04.040even on a panel right now with three Canadian content creators with not unsubstantial followings
03:58:11.240is an interesting thing that wouldn't have occurred 10 or 15 years ago, or even maybe
03:58:16.400five years ago, perhaps. So I'm optimistic about the future in some respects in regards to the
03:58:22.800indians there seems to be massive opinions changing around that subject yeah and i you know
03:58:30.260amongst the populace of canada i completely believe that the the issue the issue is is that
03:58:36.560you know and this is and so here's the thing mr fortisax all right i i see republicanism and you
03:58:45.020know authoritarianism within a people's bent as as lending itself to different ecologies all right
03:58:50.880The United States has a large, you know, the United States has downsides of its system.
03:58:55.700The United States has upsides of its system.
03:58:57.480You know, this as does an authoritarian ecology within Canada.
03:59:01.220The problem with an authoritarian ecology is that the government is the government of
03:59:06.000an authoritarian system is great when it when it's working for you and it's terrible when
03:59:11.300And right now it is working against you and it is very difficult because there are very
03:59:15.140few commonly accepted, legally accepted, politically accepted routes for people who
03:59:21.760are not within that system to change it from the outside. Within the United States,
03:59:26.540yes, it's more prone to subversion. Yes, more interest groups, but it's also,
03:59:30.520it's also, you know, the trade-off for that is it's easier, you know, for people to influence
03:59:36.220the course of the nation through collective and collaborative action. And so what I would
03:59:43.020recommend the Canadian people do, were I a Canadian nationalist, is find a way to perform
03:59:50.860civic participation in something that's in the United States. The United States has a very
03:59:56.480healthy and long tradition of civic participation. If you read de Tocqueville's Democracy in America,
04:00:01.360he outlines it. But the Canadians, I'm sure you have some equivalent or some way of
04:00:07.320participating in government, I would recommend heritage Canadians, be they Anglophone or
04:00:13.600Quebecois, although the Quebecois don't seem to have as much of an issue doing this. That's why
04:00:18.180their influence is so outsized. But the Anglo-Canadians more so, I would recommend that
04:00:23.440they find ways to start getting involved. I don't, you know, whether it be local or provincial or,
04:00:28.040you know, even Canadian federal government, find ways to do it. Because if the sentiment shifts,
04:00:33.220That means nothing. The sentiment shift means it's a peasant revolt. If you don't go in and you change the elites, like what, you know, what the old glory club is doing in the United States, the old glory club, which I've, you know, helped to found, you know, we've got chapters all across the United States.
04:00:46.600Now, we're looking to create elites. We're looking to create people in tune with the American heritage, in tune with the historic American people and what comes with that, that we can send into places of power. And I know, you know, Red Ensign, I think is what it was called, is what, you know, there was something that was started up there that was attempted to do something similar. That's what I would recommend. If you don't change your government, you won't change your situation.
04:01:12.960So I'm not advocating for a peasant revolt. Let's just clearly err on that very quickly. The fundamental problem. So let's go back to where you said that the US has more civic participation, as well as the difference between the authoritarian system and the democratic system. You are correct in saying that authoritarian systems work when the king is benevolent. And you're definitely right. You even see this in Europe. You see this in the UK. The UK and France are unitary states.
04:01:38.360The executive has an insane amount of power. I believe the one executive with the most amount
04:01:44.240of power within his country in the liberal democratic world is the president of France.
04:01:48.060They're effectively a presidential dictator, to be honest with you. So the downside to the
04:01:54.040American system is that, yes, you have been protected from all of these built in mechanics
04:02:01.180that stop subversion in some respects. It also stops MAGA and anyone like minded from permanently
04:02:06.500dealing with leftists because those protections for all maga people such as you could say the
04:02:11.740first amendment the freedom of speech and freedom from persecution from the government uh you know
04:02:16.980yeah that protects you it also protects leftists who can and will continue to propagate their
04:02:21.760ideology throughout your entire society so that's one thing canada's edge actually the edge of the
04:02:26.940europeans as well is that if we manage to get our guys in it's over we can reverse all of this in a
04:02:31.880single generation and it would be piss easy by comparison now the other thing and dimes and i
04:02:36.900have touched on this before is that many of the canadian content creators are realizing that there
04:02:41.240are no in order to have any kind of meaningful change especially changing elites influencing
04:02:46.040elites or even becoming elites you have to have first principles you need to have an intellectual
04:02:50.960base you need to have an intellectual foundation canada in recent years for a very long time
04:02:56.020especially in the nationalist sphere has had not had this even the freedom convoy was very much a
04:03:01.280peasant revolt it was a very successful peasant revolt in if we're going to use those terms it
04:03:06.000was mostly working class guys guys who are more inclined to the way that we think guys who feel
04:03:11.360and often act the way we do but necessarily you know maybe they can't put that into words
04:03:16.440um and it it you know did it have as many positive conclusions as everybody would have liked
04:03:23.480perhaps not did it forcibly lift the covid19 federal lockdowns absolutely it succeeded within
04:03:30.920a few short weeks and a couple of months after almost all of the mandates and lockdowns on federal
04:03:35.180and provincial levels were lifted so if there is such a thing as a successful common revolt in that
04:03:41.360way i would say that the freedom convoy is that as far as influencing elites and as far as academic
04:03:47.640agency lead theory we're currently working on that all right gentlemen i know we need to get going
04:03:55.100soon i'm doing the thing where i keep trying to end the stream but we keep latching on like a dog
04:04:00.900with his soup bone um is there any closing thoughts people wanted to get to before i do
04:04:05.420the plugs for everybody i guess one thing for me is that i'm actually more annoyed at uh canadian
04:04:12.780quote-unquote conservatives who are in favor of us being annexed by the united states than donald
04:04:18.440trump himself i mean again the u.s is a big powerful country i mean donald trump he's a
04:04:23.120he might be an egomaniac but i mean he's a he's a successful businessman and he throws his weight
04:04:28.880around uh i mean and that's to be expected but like when when it's canadian when it's actual
04:04:34.160canadians who call themselves conservatives like out there claiming that like saying oh yes yes
04:04:38.780please please come and save us daddy i mean that's that's what i find the most pathetic that's what's0.86
04:04:43.380that's what it says irritated me the most but uh anyway uh i guess it just gets back to the fact
04:04:48.680that canada needs to be a serious country again all right gentlemen that sounds unless you uh
04:04:54.940Paul, do you have any closing thoughts?
04:04:57.240I mean, I'll just restate Canada, if you do not become a serious country, annexation is the only good future that you have.