Blood Satellite - April 05, 2024


Bachman Turner Overdiaries [“Lenin Guy I read the last 100 anglish”]


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Length

3 hours and 52 minutes

Words per minute

182.19

Word count

42,327

Sentence count

550


Transcript

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00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be
00:00:07.720 blood satellite that's right it's in a whirlwind of content watching for me over here i don't i
00:00:25.200 I got a list of things to talk about
00:00:27.120 and I haven't really thought much about them
00:00:30.920 because I've been spending all of this time
00:00:33.240 reading about the online fire alarm community.
00:00:37.060 What the fuck is that?
00:00:39.160 Hold on, I got the link.
00:00:40.600 Yeah.
00:00:41.560 So for the folks at home,
00:00:43.780 it is what it sounds like.
00:00:45.560 It is.
00:00:47.760 Whatever you're thinking right now,
00:00:50.060 it's that.
00:00:50.940 It's, oh, online fire alarm community.
00:00:52.620 This must be a bunch of fucking retards
00:00:54.480 who are into, I guess, collecting or listening to fire alarms.
00:00:59.180 Here's the thing.
00:01:00.220 It is both.
00:01:02.640 And they're so butthurt about it.
00:01:04.540 They obviously know that people think it's a stupid hobby.
00:01:08.900 Yeah, but it's also, this is what I love about the internet.
00:01:13.500 This is what I love about our lives.
00:01:17.500 There's so much drama.
00:01:19.500 There's so much infighting.
00:01:21.200 There's power users.
00:01:22.820 there's rivalries and feuds that go for years and years and you know you always hear the the
00:01:32.660 sort of morose sentence in our sphere like born too late to explore the world born too early to
00:01:39.920 explore space and for me i'm born just in time for this shit yeah and this is all i want all i want
00:01:49.780 is like I'm looking at the videos here.
00:01:53.540 There's videos documenting this.
00:01:55.800 I'm looking at one from HGAD Productions
00:01:57.860 Untangling the Web,
00:01:59.780 the file arm community.
00:02:01.500 And the main character of this
00:02:03.340 appears to be a young man
00:02:06.320 with Down syndrome.
00:02:08.720 Oh no.
00:02:10.820 And he's an influence broker.
00:02:15.540 And he's just got videos,
00:02:17.200 a YouTube channel full of videos
00:02:18.880 of him reviewing fire alarms and testing them at home he's got a bunch of them in a line
00:02:24.560 what you'll find in this channel is all sorts of hobbies that i do such as vacuum cleaners
00:02:34.040 fire alarms
00:02:38.360 weather radios
00:02:42.220 car washes
00:02:48.880 elevators
00:02:51.420 and so many more
00:02:55.760 and
00:02:57.700 don't be stupid
00:03:00.160 there's too
00:03:02.320 much drama
00:03:03.700 in the final
00:03:05.200 no joke
00:03:08.260 I'm watching a video
00:03:08.860 there is no place for bigotry
00:03:12.020 there is no place
00:03:14.160 for hatred
00:03:15.600 and it sounds like I'm making
00:03:18.280 fun of him i you have to understand i'm not making fun of this guy i'm not punching down
00:03:22.600 this guy is a certified main character in my opinion yeah we could not write this guy if we
00:03:29.200 tried it's almost it's almost frustrating because this is the sort of stuff we would
00:03:33.820 we would rack our brains to come up with and here it is in the wild because this guy this young man
00:03:39.120 the star has a
00:03:41.080 rivalry with another
00:03:42.900 troll in the
00:03:45.220 Fire Alarm community.
00:03:47.160 And I'm listening to them
00:03:49.280 on a stream together.
00:03:51.240 He's like, fuck you, you're a faggot.
00:03:56.980 Why don't you just show your face?
00:03:58.940 Just show how much of a coward you are.
00:04:01.240 Because you won't, because you're a coward.
00:04:03.620 I am the internet.
00:04:06.020 No, you're not.
00:04:06.780 You're just a sad little troll
00:04:09.200 Who thinks that the internet revolves around you
00:04:11.460 You're not the internet, dumbass
00:04:13.000 The internet does not belong to you, Freak Bag
00:04:15.640 It belongs to everybody
00:04:16.820 Like, I don't know
00:04:18.960 You don't know who to hate
00:04:20.700 You don't know who to cheer on
00:04:22.020 He's got Down syndrome
00:04:22.880 He's dropping hard R's at the front and the back
00:04:26.640 He's throwing slurs around
00:04:28.560 You, uh, niggas need to go home
00:04:32.080 Base
00:04:33.060 It's like he's got Down syndrome
00:04:34.420 but he is spicy you know what is he the good guy here he's the bad guy i don't know but this is what
00:04:41.600 this is all i want to be alive for right now this yeah this this is the good stuff and then there's
00:04:48.340 there's this one individual on the periphery who's just on everyone's video saying
00:04:53.220 stop fooling around with fire alarms they're they're important they're not toys and he's right
00:05:01.740 he's really upset about that
00:05:03.480 because he's like just to remind
00:05:06.060 everyone this is to save lives
00:05:07.860 this isn't just you can rip them off the wall
00:05:09.960 and collect them
00:05:11.300 he's been going to people's houses and he's just taking their
00:05:13.800 fire alarms
00:05:14.620 there's people in his comments for the love of god please
00:05:17.760 do not tamper with these things
00:05:20.100 fuck you
00:05:24.040 again do not for a second think
00:05:27.820 I'm making fun of the disabled
00:05:29.940 never
00:05:30.780 You want to know some other disabled news?
00:05:34.240 I got a double header for you.
00:05:37.400 Oh, no.
00:05:42.080 This is a certified dead nigger storage.
00:05:45.180 So I don't know if people have been watching freak news,
00:05:50.120 but they're a pair of conjoined twins.
00:05:53.560 Conjoined twin Abby Hensel of,
00:05:56.560 this is from New York Post I'm looking at,
00:05:58.180 Conjoined twin Abby Hensel of TLC's Abby and Brittany is now married to an Army veteran.
00:06:04.380 Do you want the Army's name attached to this?
00:06:06.020 I wonder.
00:06:07.940 But, you know, two, again, if you haven't seen this, it's what you're thinking.
00:06:12.060 One body, two heads at the top.
00:06:15.340 Both are functional.
00:06:16.720 Both are conscious.
00:06:18.680 Twins first became famous after an appearance on the Oprah Winfrey show in 1996.
00:06:25.520 They later starred in their own TLC reality show, Abby and Brittany.
00:06:30.300 According to Today.com, the twins currently teach fifth grade.
00:06:34.540 Abby and Brittany are dicephalous conjoined twins,
00:06:37.160 which means they share a bloodstream and all organs below the waist.
00:06:41.520 Abby controls their right arm and leg, and Brittany controls the left.
00:06:46.700 Both seem to have their own ideas about what should happen in the world.
00:06:50.260 And then there's this guy, this tall drinko.
00:06:53.700 what the fuck are you thinking uh he married one of them one i think he just he married one
00:06:59.820 how do you think he picked abby the left side conjoined twin married josh bowling a nurse and
00:07:06.880 united states army veteran uh talk about big fish in a small pond there in 2021 they live in
00:07:13.980 minnesota where the hensel twins were born and raised it it triggers one to think can you marry
00:07:21.100 one how does that does that how does that work how does that work that does seem like whatever
00:07:27.360 the rape version of marriage is like you you cannot have the full consent of the second one
00:07:33.740 you know i mean well you i would think you would have to like it's got there's got to be some
00:07:39.540 extenuating circumstance here where in order for him to marry abby britney would have to consent
00:07:45.000 right like they must have i i'm not i'm not kidding there must have been a lawyer in here
00:07:49.660 somewhere who's like i can you can you guys do this like can you have sex with abby there's one
00:07:55.140 lawyer who's been working and planning his whole life for this because not just any lawyer can
00:08:01.820 litigate this thing he saw abby and britney on tlc when he was a kid now he's passed the bar
00:08:08.740 he's 21 the one guy has been banking on freak law
00:08:12.780 he's got like all these tomes of old carnival bylaws and shit in his office
00:08:19.960 a real tim burton style office of course a lot of like
00:08:26.520 things that are curling a lot of spirals and uh
00:08:31.000 a rack of top hats that are really tall and kind of bent at the top what are the statutes what what
00:08:39.260 this this can't be legal in every state i think that's fair to say but anyway there's one post
00:08:45.840 that i saw and i believed it and then i was chastised for believing it because someone said
00:08:51.600 what are you what are you some kind of asshole believing this screenshot of a post
00:08:55.520 and i've said this many times on the show i believe everything yeah everything is valid
00:09:02.860 but the post was
00:09:05.280 saying like to all those
00:09:07.900 who are confused about our
00:09:09.760 marriage yes I have sex
00:09:11.680 with my husband yes my sister is present
00:09:13.900 but she's listening to
00:09:15.740 a true crime podcast or
00:09:17.740 reading a book while it happens
00:09:19.080 and everyone's
00:09:22.060 I'm like
00:09:22.600 but then they're like
00:09:25.860 that must be fake
00:09:26.660 it's like look I mean when I'm having sex with my wife she's listening
00:09:29.820 to a true crime podcast anyway so that's
00:09:31.820 this is where my mind was going because i didn't understand the long game this guy was playing
00:09:37.860 but it's consider like how impossible it would be otherwise to have sex and both please and
00:09:45.340 disappoint a woman at the same time yeah to look down and there's a woman who's really into whatever
00:09:51.920 you're doing and then one who's just yawning yeah one one who is not pretending and the other one
00:09:57.680 who is but neither one is not protected if if you're like a humiliation fetishist this is
00:10:05.800 what you play for gotta wonder if if the story is actually about him like he had a fetish about
00:10:12.400 this even when he was a kid and he's been hunting for the he's got to find the prettiest two-headed
00:10:18.120 girl in the world to marry it's i mean that might be the longer game for him who knows
00:10:22.820 here's a guy who when he was a teenager said oh man wouldn't it be great to have a married woman
00:10:28.320 with two heads to get two blowjobs at once and he did not that's a that's a boy's dream
00:10:35.140 that's not a man's awareness of the cascading problems because they're like oh i got two
00:10:41.620 fucking mouths in my life we don't know enough about him maybe he's the only man alive with
00:10:46.760 two dicks but that is less reported he's got two dicks but she still has one vagina and now it's
00:10:52.300 another problem i said that's a fucking divorce waiting to happen right there
00:10:56.540 she divorces him for that but he can't divorce her for the two heads that's being long housed
00:11:01.700 yeah that's that's the major
00:11:04.960 is there a more long housed man in the world than josh bowley
00:11:10.540 he looks happy as a pig and shit though so who am i to jake hey hey whatever floats your boat
00:11:17.220 yep look at them there's there's um photos of them dancing in what appears to be
00:11:23.380 a completely empty room very well i don't know what that's
00:11:29.240 no just okay if you do something like this you can't have a wedding with zero people
00:11:36.240 yeah um we're spending a lot of time on this shit at the start
00:11:41.460 oh man
00:11:43.700 there's a few things I can talk to
00:11:46.760 and I was
00:11:47.540 there's one thing I kind of wanted to talk about
00:11:50.640 but I don't know if I should
00:11:51.680 because it is also in the realm of
00:11:54.480 retarded nonsense
00:11:55.760 great
00:11:56.820 I'm going to say a word
00:12:00.100 and you tell me if we keep going
00:12:02.800 Chris Cantwell
00:12:05.240 yeah let's do it
00:12:07.240 I'm going to decide if I delete this after
00:12:10.700 You know, actually, let's rewind.
00:12:11.960 Can we do it where you bring it up?
00:12:13.720 Oh, you wanted me to set up Cantwell being gay,
00:12:17.100 so it came from my mouth,
00:12:18.480 because I was a longtime Cantwell fan.
00:12:20.780 I want to stumble across it.
00:12:22.820 Okay, whoops.
00:12:23.880 Oh, what's this on the floor that I just found?
00:12:25.900 I almost broke my toe on Cantwell being a faggot.
00:12:29.320 We stepped in some discourse.
00:12:32.300 So let me just say this.
00:12:33.320 Okay, people are going to know what the fuck I'm talking about here.
00:12:37.060 And it's very funny.
00:12:39.720 It's very funny to me and very strange.
00:12:42.980 But I want to start with you because I didn't know you were a fan of Chris Canwell.
00:12:47.960 Chris Canwell, the host of Surreal Politics.
00:12:51.800 Well, fan is a stretch.
00:12:53.820 I don't think I ever listened to more than 10 hours of his stuff in total in my whole life.
00:12:58.660 But he used to be in the right libertarian ANCAP sphere where I was like 10 years ago.
00:13:05.620 So I was aware of him and I had read a bunch of stuff that he'd said.
00:13:09.180 and i kind of gelled with it and then we kind of went in different directions like he went to
00:13:14.200 prison so that's the two directions men go into is prison and not prison yeah um yeah so
00:13:23.720 a lot of people will recognize that name they've heard the name chris campbell he hosts a popular
00:13:29.200 show um and uh full disclosure let's just set this up i had invited him on the show previously
00:13:36.160 mm-hmm um and but he was too cool well let's let's be fair here all right so what had happened
00:13:44.800 was that we came across an article that he had written um and for the record i still believe
00:13:50.560 this article to be very good and the article was about how to effectively take over a small town
00:13:57.920 if you're a distant group and we this is something we talk about we talk about on the show
00:14:01.640 you got your homesteading over here everyone wants to build a house go to kaczynski but
00:14:06.120 what about if you were to move into like a small town that has infrastructure it's got pipes
00:14:10.700 electricity but it's you know declining or it's a ghost town whatever what could you do
00:14:15.060 with a bunch of guys i would love to talk about that and chris canwell for those who know about
00:14:22.940 him probably don't have a lot of good things to say about him in fact a great number of our
00:14:28.460 audience don't like him and that has happened with other people we've had on the show in the
00:14:33.220 past i've had some people that we've interviewed that our audience doesn't like but i like them
00:14:37.080 and there's some people that you know they're cold on and they become warm later they oh
00:14:41.320 you interviewed them and now we like them so hey whatever and um i thought i didn't want any of the
00:14:48.120 baggage you know because there's chris camel comes with a lot of baggage uh you know his nickname
00:14:54.080 And boof well would be one.
00:14:56.900 Boof well, what's that?
00:14:59.100 Well, it's a reference to boofing.
00:15:01.440 Dimes, what's boofing?
00:15:02.920 I'm going to skip this whole routine and say it's when you put a bunch of crystal meth up your ass to get high.
00:15:08.180 Nice.
00:15:09.220 Nice.
00:15:12.020 Slamming meth rectally, which is something that he had done in the past.
00:15:17.200 He has got a checkered past with drugs, going to prison, a lot of stuff going on,
00:15:22.260 as do a lot of people who can trace their online past into like the early 2010s right a lot of
00:15:29.960 people have stories you get a lot of heimbox in there you get a lot of you know what i don't want
00:15:35.360 to talk about that and i didn't want to talk about his like drama with charlottesville or anything
00:15:40.860 like that i said i actually just want to talk about this article and so i messaged him and he
00:15:46.900 responded fairly promptly but he responded with uh let's say a list of demands i remember yeah
00:15:55.580 and it was sort of it was a tone that i wasn't expecting because let me just say this that
00:16:01.020 you know we reach out to a lot of people for interviews uh people are not required to
00:16:07.700 appear on our show there's a lot of people who have ghost who've just not responded people i
00:16:12.900 really wanted to have on didn't respond fine people who've explained to me why they won't
00:16:18.100 come on the show fine some people who have said they would come on the show and we set it up and
00:16:24.220 then they ghost me that i'm more irritated about there's a few a couple people have done that not
00:16:29.480 a few but a couple um he started off by saying like you know who you know i i noticed your uh
00:16:36.340 your telegram is you know below a thousand followers and you know true enough um but uh
00:16:43.820 you know what's your fucking twitter at can't well let's have a look but he's he's sort of like he
00:16:48.080 wants to will he deign to appear on the show and he requested um us answer some questions like
00:16:55.480 what's in it for him what will he gain from the interview why should he bother with us he wants
00:17:02.260 us to pitch him on appearing on the show but i did it um again not sure that chris can't well
00:17:10.080 is the get that he thinks he is um in fact i had to wrestle him to get on the show because the
00:17:16.100 audience were like fuck you for having him on there's not a lot of people begging to have chris
00:17:21.340 can't well in their space whatever yeah we wrote i wrote him and said here's my bitch you know
00:17:28.060 here's what i want to have you on here's what he said i'm sold you know when do you want to come on
00:17:33.940 and i gave a couple dates and then he completely ghosted me um and stopped responding to my emails
00:17:40.000 and i thought that's frustrating um but whatever who it's just podcasting it's just internet stuff
00:17:49.360 who gives a shit and this was months ago fast forward to now a lot of people we got a lot of
00:17:56.240 fans who are in other spaces and stuff i get forwarded a lot of messages from cantwell
00:18:02.300 he's posting to his channel that seemed to indicate that he is going on grinder which is the
00:18:09.940 from my understanding the number one resource for anonymous sodomy um for the gays it's for
00:18:16.840 gay men to have gay sex uh with other gay men and uh he's going on there he's posting screenshots
00:18:24.740 proving that he's going on there talking to gay men to troll them supposedly and then you know
00:18:31.960 people are saying oh looks like can't well discovered homosexuality and then he's like
00:18:36.100 hey i'm trolling them but it doesn't indicate that he's trolling them then he would delete the
00:18:41.120 posts like that's odd that's odd that you're posting that you're going on a gay sex site
00:18:46.900 but then delete yeah usually when you troll somebody you like screen cap it and share it
00:18:50.760 with your friends for a laugh yeah so i'm like this is we're kind of joking around and stuff
00:18:55.940 and then he starts to post he posts like a very angry post because other people are circulating
00:19:02.940 around like what the fuck is this guy doing is he gay now like what's and then he posts like you
00:19:07.520 know to all the fucking to all the people who are circulating these images around this is exactly
00:19:11.880 the response i expected from like three iq motherfuckers this is why we can't have nice
00:19:18.500 things which is again an odd thing he doesn't deny that he's doing it he doesn't say that
00:19:23.780 they're fake and so i had posted what i thought to be a good-natured question which is like okay
00:19:29.180 well like are you saying that these images are fake because this was happening on april fool's
00:19:33.920 day april 1st so i'm like is this a joke or are are they real and you're upset at the response to
00:19:41.340 it good faith question i thought he proceeds to ban me from his channel and report my account on
00:19:48.980 telegram um so when you report someone's account just the first time you get your
00:19:55.040 permissions restricted for like a few hours but it's just a fuck you it's just like a passive
00:20:01.420 aggressive fuck you and i've never really received that passive of a that passive of an aggressive
00:20:07.400 to fuck you before and i'm like this is what what are you mad it's a good what is going on here and
00:20:14.280 then he does a whole live stream about his he's been conducting this journalistic inquiry into
00:20:22.020 just the gay community and so he's been interviewing speaking with gay people about
00:20:28.380 like gay sex i guess and then i'm listening i'm honestly i'm listening to him talk about it
00:20:35.680 and he's saying that as part of his research for this i'm not making this up yeah he's saying as
00:20:42.500 part of his research for it he was watching gay porn well you know i'll tell you what i um in
00:20:50.860 studying for this this podcast series i i decided to watch a little bit of gay and porn and i had
00:20:56.240 to say it seemed to me like the bottoms were having a lot more fun than the tops in a lot of
00:21:01.320 cases and so i i believe that this is the case based upon that information um and so
00:21:08.640 first of all calling it research you needed to know more about like this i there's no way this
00:21:16.460 is real there's no way there's guys doing this what is going on with this guy because i've never
00:21:22.620 seen someone do so much gay shit but then say they're doing it as a bit yeah i mean it does
00:21:29.500 smack is somebody who got who got caught but not just somebody who got caught like people who you
00:21:35.060 know flipped through their tabs when they forget to close shit it feels almost like he thought he
00:21:41.540 could do this and cover for it publicly like still make it part of his personality and it's not going
00:21:48.200 well so he's trying to hide it under the rug i don't know but to me the thing look this could
00:21:52.540 all be a big misunderstanding what is throwing me off is the fact that he not just you but
00:21:58.220 apparently all kinds of people he's banning from his chat left right and center and then doing shit
00:22:02.600 like reporting on telegram i've never that's never happened to me i think it's the first time it's
00:22:06.360 happened to you we've got we've pissed off so many people and this has never happened before so like
00:22:10.780 wow that's that's it's not extreme but like damn buddy you must you're you really buttered holy
00:22:16.280 shit well the thing is like i've been told to go fuck myself twice from this guy and i'm like
00:22:23.420 i've been i've tried really hard to be nice to you yeah yeah yeah this is just a puzzling thing
00:22:29.420 i'm like i don't like i i'm beg i'm imploring you tell me why you're doing all this odd gay
00:22:35.940 shit you don't need to you don't need to do a multi-part series pulling the lid off of what
00:22:42.080 gay men are up to we all kind of know we've all heard it we're all aware we actually don't need
00:22:47.340 to know anymore it's it is a guy who's like heard of gay sex but didn't know what it was it's like
00:22:52.420 wow these guys are having a great time whoa hey i mean this is novel have you guys seen this
00:22:57.420 the investigative journalists who are like okay despite what you think about gay men
00:23:02.720 they seem to like gay sex it shouldn't be a surprise
00:23:06.120 they seem they seem to dig it yeah it's like oh well golly
00:23:13.720 what what a scoop
00:23:17.040 dumb faggot what the fuck are you doing i also don't believe a lot of guys that are gonna say
00:23:23.820 oh because like he's saying it's uh you know it's i'm trolling or it's investigative or whatever
00:23:27.880 that's not that dissimilar from guys who are like well yeah i had gay sex one time but it
00:23:32.620 was just experimental i just wanted to know you know i'm a worldly guy i just want to try it like
00:23:35.980 no you're a fag you're a fag or it's like i i wear women's clothing sometimes it's just because it
00:23:40.560 makes me feel good because i mean i'm a modern person like no you're a faggot you're gay forever
00:23:44.040 forever what's also so puzzling is that he's just interviewing according to him regular gay guys
00:23:52.120 he matches with on grinder right because that's who his favorites yeah the guys he's most likely
00:24:00.360 to fuck he's also interviewing algorithmically right but i'm like you know what if there is a
00:24:06.740 way to do this where it could be interesting like if you were doing a series of interviews
00:24:12.460 on individuals in the dissident right who were also gay and you spoke to greg johnson and you
00:24:21.020 who's unashamedly gay right who's openly unapologetically gay and even advocates for it
00:24:27.220 and then you have another one with alt hype alt hype very very popular gay man according to him
00:24:34.800 He's like, I'm not gay anymore. That's what he says. He says, I'm no longer living a homosexual lifestyle. It's like, okay, well, what does that mean? I would love to know, like, does that mean that you're just kind of white knuckling, suppressing your gay urges? Or have you gone through some kind of conversion therapy to be into straight women? Like what? I would love to hear more about that.
00:24:55.880 That could be a study of how someone, a homosexual exists in a homophobic space because they have other values that align.
00:25:05.920 And over time, what that is like, that's an actual something you could do.
00:25:11.340 Maybe not everyone wants to watch that, but if you explain that to me, it would make sense that someone would do that.
00:25:16.540 This doesn't make sense.
00:25:18.780 So anyway.
00:25:19.920 I actually, to me, I just don't get it.
00:25:22.880 I mean, again, I don't know a whole lot about him.
00:25:24.580 what i knew about him up to some of the recent incidents not just this but again the way he'd
00:25:29.580 been treating you when you were interacting with him over the past year we're trying to get him on
00:25:32.280 the show prior to that he was to me one of the only guys who came out of charlottesville
00:25:36.660 with with his uh his dignity like he took a prison he took a prison rap he didn't rat anybody out
00:25:43.540 he was one of the only stand-up guys in the whole fucking trial like i i don't know how it doesn't
00:25:48.640 they seem like two different people you know what i mean i had a lot of respect for him that and
00:25:53.920 even his politics a lot of the stuff that he's where he's at politically even in the dissident
00:25:58.640 right i kind of agree with him more than a lot of other guys so there's that but then there's
00:26:04.040 his personal behavior and it's like you are such a fucking prick dude what the hell i don't and
00:26:09.540 you're and you're gay apparently fuck i just want to say there's there's no reason to be this nasty
00:26:16.360 there's no reason to be this gay you can just stop now well now hold on we haven't we haven't
00:26:21.960 dug too far into this but most gay guys are fucking nasty maybe that's all it is maybe it
00:26:27.400 turns out he's gay now and because he's gay he's a nasty bitch that could be all it is he woke up
00:26:34.160 on the wrong side of the uh aids hyperbaric chamber this morning that they put you in when
00:26:40.620 he's been carefully sleeping on the correct side of it for decades
00:26:44.360 just my mind scrambling what's how would a gay person sleep uh dildo no fuck stupid stupid
00:26:53.800 obvious obvious dumb you're a loser you're shit you're nothing okay uh a mirror of a painting
00:27:04.040 of themselves no what what you're overthinking it you do this all the fucking time you get too
00:27:09.300 weird you get too esoteric you're trying to think oh you just watched the father recently
00:27:13.020 Does it have to do with Alzheimer's, too?
00:27:14.480 It doesn't make any sense.
00:27:15.860 Don't just start pulling things in that you like.
00:27:18.540 Gay men, what do they sleep on?
00:27:20.120 Sleep on a bed.
00:27:20.900 Of course.
00:27:21.580 Of course.
00:27:23.200 What if it's a tent?
00:27:25.940 Why a tent?
00:27:29.440 And if you need to explain it, it doesn't work.
00:27:32.260 Are you laughing right now?
00:27:33.100 Is it funny?
00:27:34.160 Are you laughing?
00:27:34.820 No, then scrap it.
00:27:36.600 You all right, buddy?
00:27:38.060 Is everything okay?
00:27:39.580 He woke up with the wrong side of the asshole.
00:27:43.020 there we go we got there
00:27:49.360 but that's going to count for the gay sex update i might have to edit that whole thing out i might
00:27:56.480 no no no that stays in a little bit a little bit of schizophrenia to keep people on their toes
00:28:01.180 we're good we might you know what we we might just start the episode right now
00:28:05.820 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be
00:28:13.060 how you doing hey i'm fantastic how you doing pal it's been a while
00:28:19.920 haven't spoken online on a mic in uh at least an hour how are the girls they're beautiful they're
00:28:28.740 all sick right now actually i'm probably gonna get it but that's just the way it is
00:28:31.580 they were blowing snot out of their nose so there's that i got in trouble on tech talk
00:28:40.360 recently because we posted a clip that was produced for us by a listener of the show
00:28:45.520 barry linden um it was a clip from our last live stream where you know the bit was right at the
00:28:51.480 start where you were explaining uh why we had to do sound check live because we didn't get to
00:28:57.880 beforehand and you were talking about your girls and i interrupted you i always try to give myself
00:29:03.220 like 25 minutes to put the kids to bed beforehand and it's never enough and it's always like
00:29:07.760 nobody gives a shit
00:29:12.160 um and then out of context that within context i think people thought that was funny funny enough
00:29:19.420 to clip it yeah so i put the clip up on tiktok and i did a lot of hashtags because i'm like let's
00:29:26.960 see if we can get this into the dadosphere big mistake big mistake hashtag dad life i'm getting
00:29:35.720 dads like i wanted i wanted to hear what that guy was talking to his kids and this sound effect guy
00:29:41.380 who's this sound effect guy it's kind of over who's this fucking idiot who's ruining a father
00:29:49.940 you had a good father was just trying to tell you about his kids and you fucking ruined it
00:29:54.200 who's just a sound effect guy says it's wasted content wasted content content lost to the
00:30:01.820 cutting room floor you're scum share and the funny thing is some people thought you were setting up
00:30:07.960 for a joke which i don't know what the joke would be yeah but then also assuming that it was just you
00:30:14.020 complaining about you know your kids or whatever like we all do there's a whole sector of dads
00:30:20.320 out there who are like no let them complain i want to hear how hard it is to put kids to sleep
00:30:24.540 like that can't be the content you're looking for too well it is a podcast that can't be your life
00:30:30.840 and then you listen to two guys just say like man i got peanut butter on my shoes again that's that's
00:30:36.580 another pair of uh have you listened to other podcasts though that's not uncommon i tried i've
00:30:42.660 tried to listen to some history podcasts like about uh the roman empire and some shit lately
00:30:46.420 and they'll get people on and like they will do a 30 minute role at the beginning just talking
00:30:51.000 about their families and and then i worry about it's like oh fuck are we doing the same thing
00:30:55.420 because with this it's like i mean i don't follow the show it's just these two guys talking about
00:30:58.920 their wives it's like oh dude i really want to click away but i also really want to know about
00:31:04.480 caligula fuck we don't talk about our families that much because i'm very uh frightened terrified
00:31:13.020 of boring people with that because when you do have a kid your inclination is to talk about it
00:31:18.100 all the time absolutely because everything about it is interesting to you but going into it i'm
00:31:23.540 like you know what this probably won't be as interesting it'll be interesting to other dads
00:31:27.920 in a sense but to people who don't have kids they're not going to give a shit about this
00:31:31.760 unless we unless we really take out all the extra and only give something that's you know
00:31:38.880 interesting on its own and really consider it but uh you know a lot of people like it some people
00:31:44.860 say that's their favorite part and i'm the i am the asshole for for stopping you so i apologize
00:31:50.280 um i don't want to get in trouble i don't want people i've had people turn on me a lot recently
00:31:56.040 i really don't want people turning on me this this whole canwell situation has got me very
00:32:00.000 sensitive and raw
00:32:01.180 so about your girls they're sick tell me about their boogers
00:32:08.380 uh blood there's blood in it not good both of them yeah yeah i saw the big i actually because
00:32:16.180 we got our uh we got our chickens today actually so that was the big excitement at our house at
00:32:22.340 judah's house and we i brought the eldest downstairs to look at the chicks and she's so
00:32:26.320 excited and then she blows a booger out of her nose full of blood on her shirt on her sleeve
00:32:30.660 on her pants there's no tissues down there so i'm carrying her up the stairs we're in a farmhouse
00:32:34.880 it is raining cats and dogs
00:32:36.880 there's water on the floor, the sump is not
00:32:39.140 working, my feet are wet
00:32:40.920 there's chicken shit everywhere
00:32:42.360 it was nightmarish actually
00:32:44.140 this is like that scene from The Ring
00:32:45.920 it was like that, and you haven't seen my basement
00:32:49.180 but on a normal day
00:32:50.720 you're about to throw
00:32:52.760 several TVs into the bathtub
00:32:55.100 with you
00:32:55.720 Logan Roy is about to commit suicide
00:33:00.300 if anyone knows anything about what I'm talking about
00:33:03.120 they're going to love that image
00:33:04.800 she just painted but for the rest of you you can fuck right off we're laughing along
00:33:09.420 um i'm wondering i might get this out of the way now
00:33:15.600 while while i have the audience hanging on the thread i kind of want to get to a quick
00:33:24.200 movie corner all right let's have it before we get to any news anything culturally relevant
00:33:29.340 I gotta have my movie corner
00:33:31.880 It's movie corner
00:33:33.480 Shut up
00:33:38.400 Shut up
00:33:39.140 Shut up
00:33:40.140 Shut up
00:33:41.040 Let's go
00:33:43.780 I saw this movie just the other day
00:33:46.720 And it had been recommended to me
00:33:49.720 But it was kind of hard to find
00:33:50.940 It's called Dash Cam
00:33:53.600 It came out
00:33:55.540 2021
00:33:55.980 Horror movie
00:33:57.420 it's a found footage movie so if you guys don't like that sort of movie um you know this isn't
00:34:04.900 going to change your mind about it but it's also what's called a screen life movie so this the setup
00:34:11.600 for the movie is that it's a live streamer like a live stream influencer so the entire movie has
00:34:19.140 it's from their camera their cell phone camera but the entire movie not the entire one but for
00:34:25.820 most of it you also see the live chat in the bottom left hand corner of the screen reacting
00:34:31.320 to what's going on in this horror movie and i just want to say at the top it is perhaps the most
00:34:37.260 realistic version of of a chat i've ever seen depicted in film in the sense that it seems like
00:34:44.760 our chat like as these things are happening as like there's i'm going to describe what happens
00:34:51.020 in the movie but like when something's serious and horrible is happening they're just shit posting
00:34:55.300 they're just memeing they're just like mocking the situation so you're watching this so what it
00:35:03.300 is it's this influencer woman um her real name is ann hardy and you can look her up she's an
00:35:09.500 actual influencer she's in a band called giant drag and she's got a youtube page it's not even
00:35:14.760 the biggest youtube page does music ladies when the men were kings now we only got the queens
00:35:26.720 and the queens are insane i miss that mother f and patriarchy but her character in this everyone
00:35:34.920 called her insufferable everyone's in the reviews they said she's the worst character you've ever
00:35:40.420 seen on screen i disagree i think she's the greatest character i've ever seen in a horror
00:35:47.080 movie because she is let me see if i could set this up she's like a femme cell schizo trump
00:35:54.680 supporter nice which you've never seen in a movie by the way you've never i've never seen this
00:36:01.060 character in a movie that's fresh where she's not she doesn't i'm getting spoiler she doesn't die
00:36:06.460 she's not made a joke of the movie in fact the movie seems to have like an affection for her
00:36:11.380 and a lot of it is improv and it's just her being a psycho and i don't think what really
00:36:17.360 clued me in that i'm gonna like her is like she's you know in her car like the the setup for her
00:36:23.260 show it's such a dumb show it's like it's called band car it's like dear and it's number one
00:36:28.760 improvised rap in a while i'm driving show so she's just like making raps as like the the chat
00:36:35.720 suggest topics about like fucking your dad and stuff like no joke like literally some shit we've
00:36:42.620 done on this show great i don't know why not something tells me you're not up to much yes
00:36:52.440 lockdown getting it on having to fuck your own dad come on that's rough but we do what we must
00:36:59.260 if you can't be free
00:37:01.240 you must
00:37:02.420 commit the sin of incest
00:37:04.800 it's not the worst but it's not the best
00:37:07.300 the most
00:37:09.200 profound literally me just dropped
00:37:11.100 and then
00:37:12.620 you know it kind of shows her it's the whole
00:37:15.060 beginning of the movie set up right you're seeing her
00:37:17.200 do her thing here's her house
00:37:19.260 we get to know her character and she
00:37:21.260 goes into like her room she's about to take
00:37:23.280 a trip to London she goes
00:37:25.180 into her room and there's like
00:37:26.560 25 crucifixes hanging
00:37:29.220 over her bed
00:37:29.940 and I'm looking at that I'm like I know this girl
00:37:33.140 we both know this girl
00:37:37.400 we know a couple of these probably
00:37:39.120 and she's got the fucking make
00:37:41.140 America great again hat
00:37:43.180 it's during COVID
00:37:44.900 that's the other thing the big plot point
00:37:47.180 is that this is all taking place during COVID
00:37:49.040 so for the first
00:37:51.080 part of the movie it's all
00:37:53.100 anti-vax stuff
00:37:54.300 it's all her like not wearing a mask
00:37:57.320 and getting in people's faces like you're
00:37:58.960 fucking slave and not in a mocking way in a way that like i have to believe that she actually
00:38:06.380 believes what she's saying because she's never proven wrong she's never lectured
00:38:11.340 there's never like a moment where the smart character talks down to her she just gets in
00:38:17.560 people's faces and calls them fucking faggot slaves and then gets away with it and it's it's
00:38:22.780 good and i'm loving it every second of it and then eventually which is also kind of a piece of shit
00:38:27.940 she goes to london to meet a friend of hers who she was in a band with and he's married now to
00:38:34.260 this this woman who she doesn't like and she just kind of crashes there for a little bit
00:38:37.780 and he is um he's like an uber eats driver it's a food delivery driver and she's tagging along
00:38:43.940 with him and kind of making a scene um anyway the setup is that one night she gets in a fight with
00:38:50.560 his wife because she sees the make america great again hat but she's also wearing a t-shirt that
00:38:56.300 just says liberals with a big x through it she spends the first half hour of this movie owning
00:39:05.020 libs you've never seen it in film before and then again you scroll scan over to the comments
00:39:11.740 reviews it's like i wanted her to die so much i wanted her to be tortured this movie sucks because
00:39:17.320 she wasn't killed brutally i'm like that's hey whoa but um she kind of takes his car joy rides
00:39:25.940 around for the content everything she's doing for the content for the chat right pulling pranks and
00:39:30.840 doing shit she ends up uh going to this restaurant to pick up food she gets she eventually ends up
00:39:36.040 having to courier around this like weird woman who turns out to be possessed um take it from point a
00:39:42.460 to point b and then she escapes and she can kind of levitate all this crazy shit happens proper
00:39:47.740 horror movie stuff screaming blood um but the entire time again serious things are happening
00:39:54.700 the chat is shit posting the whole time and you're reading the chat and you're i'm laughing out loud
00:40:01.200 it's actually i wonder how they even did that because i'm like did they just show the movie
00:40:06.780 to a group of real people and then record what they said because there's no way a writer could
00:40:12.320 come up with that or maybe they didn't they're just very good anyway um but then there's so it's
00:40:17.500 always what i loved about the movie was it keeps you trapped in this sort of dissonant space between
00:40:23.900 the brutality of what you're seeing and the fact that everyone's making a joke of it as it's
00:40:29.060 happening yeah it's such a strange fucking experience and it never some people think
00:40:34.500 that's a fault i'm like that's that's the best that's awesome there's this one scene
00:40:38.960 and i just i don't know i don't know what miracle occurred to make this scene but
00:40:44.780 uh they're driving at night in sort of the english countryside and they the crazy things
00:40:50.160 happening they get into a car accident and it's this brutal car accident and they survive but
00:40:55.740 the car is kind of on fire then they put it out the car they hit two people are killed and it was
00:41:01.340 these newlyweds like the guy went through the windshield he's screaming he's on fire they're
00:41:07.000 trying to save him she goes around the car and finds like the bride they're just laying on the
00:41:12.320 front uh on the fucking airbag dead bloody and they see like the just married cans behind there
00:41:19.300 it's a very tragic scene and then she's very sad and so she takes a shirt and puts it over the
00:41:25.940 bride's face and it's the liberal shirt it's the no liberal shirt on this like dead bride's face
00:41:33.100 i'm like i don't know how this is so the most brutal thing i've ever seen i'm laughing my ass
00:41:39.100 off and it's not like anytime you've seen another movie where it's like making light
00:41:43.160 of something which seems mean-spirited like it didn't seem mean-spirited it just seemed
00:41:47.320 retarded and it's so good and a lot of people didn't like it but i can't recommend it enough
00:41:54.800 to our listeners it just watch it and keep your eyes trained on the bottom left quadrant of that
00:42:00.180 screen and look at the chat that's going it's going to remind you of whatever chat it's going
00:42:06.080 to remind you of your twitter friends going to remind you of guys you know this does sound like
00:42:10.660 my thing i'm not even a big horror guy but this is this is my shit yeah yeah you can almost watch
00:42:16.420 it because the horror element of it isn't great um it's okay it's serviceable uh when it's it's
00:42:24.140 got some shaky cam stuff when it needs to be gory it's believable but you know sometimes it's hard
00:42:31.280 to tell what's going on um it doesn't look like it's the most expensive movie but doesn't need
00:42:36.200 to be whatever you know it's it's just it's the first movie i've seen about covid where it didn't
00:42:43.280 turn it into some another way to just bring the hammer down on anti-vax people you know yeah
00:42:49.840 yeah because really when have we seen many movies about covid that's just a thing that we went
00:42:57.200 through for a couple years and no one talks yeah i kind of expected that there would be more and
00:43:01.500 there's a lot of stuff i've seen not that because i don't really watch a lot of movies but i've seen
00:43:05.420 trailers for stuff like okay i can see how that is kind of a kind of um it's touching on the issue
00:43:11.680 of like social isolation or something but very rarely is it like this is a covid movie and you
00:43:18.140 think that it would be because it's like how many movies i was going to say how many movies have
00:43:21.340 been 9 11 i guess not that many but to me covid is way bigger than 9 11 covid is like uh what would
00:43:28.100 it be like i would honestly covid is almost like to me it's like the the vietnam war like i feel
00:43:33.920 like covid was our our vietnam war for millennials i can't think of anything bigger in my life as a
00:43:39.240 touch point it's actually covid so let me give people a movie to go off of this will be a double
00:43:45.380 header movie corner i don't know if i've mentioned this one before but if people want i think the
00:43:51.720 best movie not about 9-11 but a movie that captures sort of the zeitgeist surrounding 9-11
00:43:59.980 the aftermath of 9-11 look up a movie called the missing person came out 2009 starring michael
00:44:07.700 shannon um and it's got a you know if you watch tv your movies you'll see a lot of people in this
00:44:14.200 movie that you've recognized from other stuff it's a lot of like oh that guy from that thing
00:44:18.620 like there's for some reason a lot of b and c players from the sopranos and the wire in this
00:44:23.460 movie but it's a modern day film noir michael shannon playing one of the best alcoholic
00:44:31.220 detectives i think i've ever seen on film um alcoholic private investigator rather and he's
00:44:37.780 tasked with finding this person right um and i don't want to spoil the entire movie here but
00:44:44.760 involves like child sex trafficking and involves an individual who they thought died in 9-11
00:44:52.480 but turns out he's alive he's alive and and his wife wants to track him down and figure like what
00:44:59.500 what's going on and so what the movie is really about it's like by the end of it it's about like
00:45:05.640 sort of like the shared mentality of living in a post 9-11 world but this guy who like started a
00:45:11.760 new life and got entwined in this whole other thing but um yet like sort of like the specter
00:45:16.900 of 9-11 hangs over the entire thing in a lot of ways um and there's like flashbacks to it as well
00:45:24.200 so anyway if you want a movie that's about 9-11 without being about 9-11 check out the missing
00:45:28.860 person i've seen it a few times i think it's just a phenomenal movie uh but it's like a real gut
00:45:35.120 punch by the end of it but um yeah check that one out i want to maybe move on to the next thing
00:45:42.300 here and we can maybe spend a bit of time on this um i'm looking at you might have read this
00:45:49.940 but i really want to give this its due because i don't want this to get lost in the flurry of news
00:45:56.820 so looking at the national post this was published uh march 20 2024 just read the headline secret
00:46:05.040 rcmp report warns that canadians may revolt once they realize how broke they are yeah yeah that's
00:46:13.000 that's the headline that ran in one of our top newspapers uh subtitle right from the get-go the
00:46:19.460 report authors warn that whatever canada's current situation it will probably deteriorate further in
00:46:25.920 the next five years yeah so i think that's a good place to start for people who are wondering what's
00:46:33.440 going on behind the scenes to pull us out of the tailspin that we're in economically demographically
00:46:40.060 according to the government they say don't get your hopes up now maybe that's a psyop maybe that's
00:46:45.600 part of the conspiracy but i it seems that the government itself is saying that this i don't
00:46:52.380 think they know how bad it's gonna get one thing the frame that i like to put this in especially
00:46:58.260 for people that are listening from inside canada i think i suspect americans at the real east
00:47:04.760 europeans know this about canada that we are a nothing country we are an economic and cultural
00:47:10.920 backwater the canadians don't seem to think that way like we've mentioned before the canadians a
00:47:16.300 lot of canadians especially urban canadians tend to think of canada as like the more sophisticated
00:47:21.000 educated wealthy stable americans it's like no what i don't know where you would get that from
00:47:26.460 like you're comparing yourself to a trailer park maybe but if you're comparing yourself
00:47:29.780 to like america qua america we are 10 years behind them we always have been
00:47:34.620 so um so there's that part of it and the reason i bring that up is this idea of is the government
00:47:41.360 in control do they have a plan is this 40 chess where they're playing politics it's like no
00:47:45.160 imagine if your entire government is iq 85 incompetence and your whole nation is just a
00:47:53.200 company store for the actual powers of the world to extract natural resources like timber and oil
00:47:59.780 and fur that's the history and the whole existence of our country that's all we ever have been
00:48:04.640 um i hope for a better future but that's what we are so within that context are they in control no
00:48:10.520 they never have been in control they certainly aren't now it seems to me what we're seeing here
00:48:14.720 is there's some internal politics going on that allowed this to be leaked the rcmp probably hate
00:48:19.760 the government the government hates the government all of the parties that we have are just you know
00:48:24.320 jockeying for different methods of looting us before the whole thing finally just implodes
00:48:29.580 because there is there really is no economic uh hope for canada at all i can't imagine even it
00:48:37.740 like even the things that we would propose that would actually fix it it's too far gone there's
00:48:42.980 no way to do to fix anything that's not going to there's there's no good solution that doesn't
00:48:48.680 involve enormous amounts of pain physical and economic yeah and and what's interesting is
00:48:55.860 people hear the word pain and think oh you were going to inflict pain it's like no everyone is
00:49:01.480 convinced pain is going to happen yeah and i guess the tone of this article and the implication that
00:49:08.780 i really just wanted to concentrate on for a second was that like on our in our side of things
00:49:15.580 we're so hypersensitive to anyone proposing violent solutions uprising anything that sounds
00:49:22.720 revolutionary or you know anything that might imply that you're a fed right but you're saying
00:49:29.840 that the feds are saying that reasonable people should be violent it's a complete inversion well
00:49:37.760 Well, I think the feds are saying that reasonable people are going to become violent.
00:49:41.000 It's their expectation that or I think more accurately what they're saying is incrementally people who are currently nonviolent will become violent.
00:49:49.900 Not everyone, but like if you have the percentage of the population that is open to violence is like three percent, that might reach eight percent over the next five years.
00:49:59.480 But that's more than double. I'm just pulling numbers out of my ass.
00:50:02.280 But like if you think of it in those terms, yeah, that's where we're at.
00:50:04.820 we're going to have people who gradually are pushed lower and lower on the economic ladder
00:50:08.580 and have no options left, but they are gun owners, or they are physically fit, or they do have
00:50:14.840 children who they need to feed, and they literally have no other options, and they see that everyone
00:50:19.820 around them who's taking all the resources are foreigners, and their own government won't give
00:50:24.480 them any money, because even with a family of four and a salary of only one person has a job
00:50:32.280 in that family and they only make $38,000, which is 90% below the poverty line, that's still not
00:50:38.660 enough for the government to give them welfare. And they're just going to take matters into their
00:50:41.880 own hands. I'm not going to do that. And that's a lot of people, by the way.
00:50:43.960 That's more people than you think. Yeah. I was just describing my own situation. That is actually
00:50:49.700 me. But I mean, I'm not going to be violent because I'm a civilized person. I would never
00:50:53.960 do that. But a lot of people have seriously considered and planned things like this. And
00:51:00.440 it's only a matter of time before something pops off we would never do it of course but
00:51:05.260 the entire state apparatus is saying that this will happen and we're not prepared for it yeah
00:51:11.640 that's what that's what they drafted this document to say that these people are going to freak out
00:51:16.120 once they realize how fucked they are and what are we going to do because we don't have enough
00:51:19.580 boots on the ground they don't um and uh i was going to mention this a bit later but i might as
00:51:25.600 mention it now that i published an article that directly addresses this not this specifically but
00:51:33.280 what we are talking about it's on the old glory club uh substack this would have come out a couple
00:51:40.420 days ago uh the title is you know somewhat inflammatory it's called the annexation of
00:51:46.460 canada um and that sounds like oh you know america taking over canada it's more addressing
00:51:53.580 what many americans say which is you know what we should just annex canada we should just go ahead
00:51:59.560 and do what are they going to do about it i was actually proposing a solution which is that you
00:52:04.780 know they're very within our lifetimes within the next 10 to 15 years there may very well be a
00:52:12.600 situation where you don't need to annex canada by which i mean that forces within the because
00:52:19.380 Canada as a country doesn't make sense and doesn't really function.
00:52:24.080 What happens is the provinces tend to deal more directly with America.
00:52:28.600 There's not a lot of lateral communication and cohesion.
00:52:33.320 Canada as a nation state is kept together with a lot of duct tape and popsicle sticks.
00:52:37.880 However, within the provinces, there's very strong ethno-nationalist movements.
00:52:43.480 There's a lot of almost like provincial sovereignty going on,
00:52:48.380 like people in Alberta are really Albertans people who are in British Columbia feel very
00:52:53.620 strongly about being British Columbians um and they have their own you know Quebecer like who's
00:52:58.220 more ethno-nationalist than Quebec um and so my thing was like if you're in America if America is
00:53:04.400 the sort of center of power there might be opportunities where the entire state apparatus
00:53:09.660 realizes that it doesn't have the resources or the capital or the competency to even withstand the
00:53:17.960 generating of what could effectively
00:53:22.440 be called sort of like warlord movements
00:53:24.340 within the provinces where there
00:53:26.400 are breakaway societies that do get
00:53:28.320 enough land, get enough
00:53:29.440 productive capacity and get
00:53:32.260 enough defenses that
00:53:34.260 they can effectively
00:53:35.220 represent the province itself
00:53:38.100 to America and cut out
00:53:40.280 the Canadian state apparatus entirely
00:53:42.440 because it's
00:53:43.900 and that's the convergence of the competency
00:53:45.960 crisis that's the convergence of the economic crisis that's the conversions of sort of the um
00:53:51.640 the migration crisis as well and but with that comes bundled in you know the the overtaking of
00:53:57.480 the canadian intelligence apparatus by china and other like it's just a mess canada's a fucking
00:54:02.760 mess however there could be different locuses of power that emerge within that and they could
00:54:08.340 represent you know like if if america wants to deal with canada because it wants pipelines
00:54:15.380 fresh water lumber resources something you deal you want to have a group a community
00:54:23.080 some kind of society where they want to come to you and say fuck whoever's in ontario
00:54:27.900 fuck whatever like weird adiq indian is currently occupying the prime minister position
00:54:34.120 and whatever fucking incestuous brain dead gargoyle they have reporting to in britain
00:54:41.340 those are those are not the powers we're concerned but we're concerned about the people
00:54:45.300 with organization and guns and productive capacity exactly and there's a kind of a thought experiment
00:54:51.200 i've played around with a lot lately and i i had spoken to somebody else about this a few months
00:54:54.820 ago i got some pushback when i realized wait this because you're american and we chatted about it's
00:54:59.320 like yeah this is there's a fundamental difference between um americans especially americans that
00:55:04.000 are within and i always say urban with like kind of a a lisp because i hate it right but i i do
00:55:10.300 think that american cities are in much better positions than canadian cities but if you're
00:55:13.860 near an american city you do actually have access to health care that's expensive but functional
00:55:18.420 you have um education options like you you do have really terrible public schools in the u.s but you
00:55:25.480 have pretty decent private school options you have a lot you have gun rights you have all kinds of
00:55:29.500 stuff but we don't have that in canada we don't have health care we wait for years for operations
00:55:33.120 we don't have policing that does fucking anything like even in like small rural counties like where
00:55:38.000 i live um like assault and like car theft and break and enter is through the roof and it's
00:55:42.600 almost exclusively immigrants the police aren't doing shit so one thing just just a tangent there
00:55:48.080 a lot of people don't know this but the vast majority of uh fire departments in ontario at
00:55:53.460 least i didn't just speak for ontario are volunteer fire departments there's this mythology that oh
00:55:57.840 it's it's state run no it's just a bunch of fucking guys who do it and so then you got this
00:56:01.900 other side for example like i pay i pay way more for my electricity than they do in the states
00:56:06.360 now that part of that is because it's canada and the economy's fucked part of it is because we're
00:56:10.180 in canada we're very spread apart so we're very far away but so it makes even more sense for us
00:56:14.660 here to be like i wish i had my own power utility that i had a little bit more say instead of a big
00:56:18.660 provincial utility where i lose my power a dozen or more times a year for like a day at a time but
00:56:23.260 i still have to pay crazy rates and i get brown outs all the time or like again with the health
00:56:27.300 care with the policing or like you said with the fire department the fire department is literally
00:56:30.740 our neighbors they're volunteers the government doesn't pay them a fucking red cent so like i
00:56:35.520 guess the what i'm getting to here is we also pay way more taxes than the u.s if you were to go
00:56:40.860 head by head if you could have this conversation without getting vanned and say to people look
00:56:44.600 you make fifty thousand dollars a year and you give the government twenty five thousand up you
00:56:48.620 make a hundred thousand dollars a year you give and i'm talking about not just income tax but
00:56:51.700 sales tax and hst and all the other things because we're taxed like about sixty percent when you put
00:56:56.740 all the taxes to like end to end you you make a hundred k a year sixty thousand of that goes to
00:57:02.760 the government how about you give me 40 and you stop paying your taxes and with that 40 i will
00:57:07.740 provide you with clean water a fire department police that will actually protect you an education
00:57:14.440 system for your kids will fix the roads and we will defend our local region against other warlords
00:57:19.640 i'm just saying i think a lot of people at especially now and increasingly over the next
00:57:25.420 five years according to an rcmp report people are going to be willing to do this there are people
00:57:30.760 people who are reasonable fair-minded people who just want to be left alone are going to be at the
00:57:36.300 point of violence and they would probably much rather do that than get violent and i think this
00:57:42.140 that it's going to happen that's why i wanted to underline productive capacity because when people
00:57:47.060 hear this they think oh you want to go start a neo-peasant homesteading movement i'm like no
00:57:53.140 the idea is that you have these towns these communities that function you know like states
00:57:59.480 in the sense that they can command their resources
00:58:02.260 and their capabilities to produce something for export.
00:58:06.440 We've talked about this in the past, how countries do that.
00:58:09.160 You develop an industrial base that is scalable
00:58:13.740 that sells something people want,
00:58:16.120 and then you have the skilled workers to do that.
00:58:18.160 And the funny thing is, if you start these communities
00:58:21.080 along certain ethno-religious lines, let's just call it,
00:58:25.540 you will be moving, let's just say,
00:58:26.900 if you start communities of just white people
00:58:28.780 and remove them from the manufacturing base of canada canada fucking falls apart everyone knows
00:58:34.320 that it's like white guys keeping this together let's say they all just started you know this
00:58:37.800 sounds like a john galt ayn randy and sort of thing but it's like it's not just that the heroic
00:58:42.760 individual striking it's like no like start your own thing over here and then all you have is
00:58:48.700 fucking like indians and gay women running your factories even even just at a county level again
00:58:54.480 you look at the amount that we're taxed and how little we get for it and how much of our like
00:58:57.860 There's that thing in the news recently about how in B.C. the federal government paid $834,000 to have American hunters go with AR-15s in a helicopter and shoot like 40 deer because it was an invasive deer call.
00:59:08.740 And only like a fifth of them apparently weren't even the right species.
00:59:12.180 They say these are nuisance deer that are chewing down the vegetation and it's not able to recover at a proper rate.
00:59:19.400 So what did they do? They went out and hired foreign contractors to come in on helicopters with semi-automatic assault-style firearms, restricted 223 firearms, with suppressors and full-capacity mags, and mow these deer down.
00:59:40.560 So, and then it's like, okay, so that's $1,000, what is it, like $10,000 per deer. That's what they spent the money on.
00:59:47.540 also they're using weapons that are restricted there's a gun confiscation going around right now
00:59:50.960 to take those exact weapons they have 30 round mags and ar-15s which is totally fucking illegal
00:59:56.080 in canada so like that's i was told that those are those are only designed for shooting school
01:00:01.400 children just for shooting school children exactly so like they're they're taking our money and
01:00:05.760 spending it on that so in the context of that's what they actually spend the money on we're not
01:00:09.760 getting policing we're not getting health care we're not getting our our infrastructure maintained
01:00:13.280 if you take a town i'm just going to use a town that i was visiting recently because i think it's
01:00:16.940 a good example campbellford in ontario campbellford is the nexus of two highways campbellford is on
01:00:22.040 the lock system which controls trade north south in the province campbellford has agriculture
01:00:26.440 campbellford has mining campbellford has small industry campbellford is 95 white campbellford
01:00:32.080 has probably i don't i'll get have to check probably 20 000 people live there the the county
01:00:37.200 of campbellford has the resources if someone were to organize it to be completely resource
01:00:43.960 independent in in the context of in the context of the federal government and the provincial
01:00:49.720 government provide them with fucking nothing the government is a hundred percent extractive
01:00:55.240 of the county of campbellford those old white families are paying end to end 60 to 70 percent
01:01:02.980 of everything they produce and it's going to things like paying for hotel housing for somalis
01:01:09.120 paying for deer calls ten thousand dollars a head in bc paying for maid operations paying for trans
01:01:17.560 surgeries paying for israel israeli ammunition to shoot palestinians paying for ukrainian missiles
01:01:24.000 like just imagine what the people of campbellford could do imagine the walls they could build and
01:01:29.940 they could have a fucking semiconductor factory there i bet with the amount of money the untold
01:01:35.400 millions that they would save if they didn't have to fork everything over to a fucking
01:01:40.420 provincial and federal government that literally burn it for fun so that's the potential if you
01:01:46.400 want to go we could go down the list of money mismanagement like even the place places where
01:01:52.160 i've lived in the past um and you would need to be tuned into the local government to know this
01:01:57.820 but how many places the local waste management system is handled privately.
01:02:05.300 They've got the municipal people who are supposed to own garbage trucks
01:02:09.440 and take your garbage, and they can't for some fucking reason.
01:02:12.300 So they have to hire other companies to do it.
01:02:14.940 Where I live. That's where I live.
01:02:16.460 That's what we deal with, yeah.
01:02:18.620 And you know what?
01:02:19.540 The private guys locally, they're really fucking good at it too,
01:02:22.760 and I think that my taxes should pay for them, but they don't.
01:02:24.820 so it's but sometimes they're hiring just some other company that like misses sometimes but it's
01:02:30.340 like then why do you exist at all you're just people employed to like hire other people so
01:02:36.180 much of the government in canada is spent paying federal employees to hire private
01:02:42.100 private advisors and they just soak up 80k a year to do that i mean the arrive can thing that's still
01:02:47.800 going through the courts right now of course nothing's going to come of it but those two
01:02:50.380 fucking guys who aren't even Canadian. They're like Swiss or from like Norway or something.
01:02:56.080 They ended up taking like millions and millions to do literally nothing. They essentially to just
01:03:01.080 headhunt a software firm which then didn't even build the app but they still cashed out their
01:03:06.680 literal millions of dollars. Personally like just not a company just as a dude he just took four
01:03:11.780 million dollars. As first reported in La Presse the federal government has awarded GC Strategies
01:03:18.020 more than 100 contracts. Radio Canada verified those contracts today, finding they have amounted
01:03:23.420 to more than $239 million since 2015. Overall, 66% of the company's federal contracts came
01:03:31.660 from the Canada Border Services Agency. And we found out today that all federal government
01:03:36.280 contracts with GC strategies were suspended this November. In a letter to the RCMP, Conservative
01:03:42.260 leader Pierre Poliev asked it to immediately expand its existing criminal investigation
01:03:47.560 into the development of the app. The prime minister has said the RCMP and CBSA are conducting
01:03:52.800 internal investigations into any alleged wrongdoing linked to the app, but that does not seem to be
01:03:59.180 enough for opposition leaders. A company that had never before received contracts from the
01:04:05.740 federal government started getting an avalanche of contracts just three weeks after this prime
01:04:12.180 minister took office and this is why the article was trying to get i didn't want to say i wish
01:04:18.980 canada would get annexed it was more a call to americans that there's something going on up here
01:04:26.200 and if you want to expand you might want to be brokering with people outside of the government
01:04:33.340 because right now as you just explained the government is an international fucking joke
01:04:38.820 the arrived tan yasko is extended beyond our borders everyone knows we're either compromised
01:04:45.900 by foreign governments or like we're trying to be we're trying to be the gayest country in the
01:04:50.260 world and it turns out everyone thinks that's stupid and embarrassing well that's the other
01:04:53.780 part of it like we used we used to be the the silly little hat that america wore but now we
01:04:57.560 really are like a bread basket for for china you know and a few other countries but when i wrote
01:05:03.480 the article it was to be serious like look and and i'm like this is for americans over here in
01:05:08.320 canada we'll read a different article but it's going to be the parallel society thing we talk
01:05:13.300 about what does a parallel society look like we talk about that in that book the network state
01:05:18.140 it is you know land and environment blood and soil basically plus productive capacity plus
01:05:25.100 enough and i have to be careful what i say here plus enough defense capabilities that you can't
01:05:30.840 be fucked with or you can cause enough of a headache that people don't want to fuck with
01:05:35.600 you and you know who also does that is gangs you know who also does that is organized crime i'm
01:05:40.900 not saying be a cartel i'm saying a cartel is an example where i bet if the mexican government
01:05:46.060 wanted to they could carpet bomb these mountains like that's what they say about us like oh
01:05:51.160 they could just send in black hawk helicopters to nuke your city it's like well they won't because
01:05:57.360 but they also know they can't march people through the streets because they'll get sniped
01:06:01.780 they can't occupy that land because there's enough troublemakers there so they run the
01:06:06.640 calculus of that and say you know what we're just not gonna fuck with them they've made it not easy
01:06:11.900 to fuck with them so that's really what you need to do that's what southerners in the u.s also have
01:06:16.140 as well you know they're not all militia members but i think the government knows like i don't want
01:06:20.780 to fuck with these rednecks because they all have 20 guns and and i bet you know they're they're
01:06:27.360 paranoid enough that they will shoot back so they don't get fucked with as much you want to i think
01:06:33.600 the line i had the article was you want to make yourself fuck fuckable but not able to be fucked
01:06:39.860 with you want to make it so people want to come to the table with you you're someone that people
01:06:46.840 want to deal with it's not they can't you know who also does this is aboriginals all those tribes
01:06:53.360 like we make fun of them you know we have our opinions about them but they've made it clear
01:06:58.140 to the government that you can't fuck with us in so many words and it seems to work and there is a
01:07:04.860 thing with which is kind of a white thing and it's also kind of a conservative thing and in both
01:07:08.800 cases a little bit embarrassing that any of us that ever get uppity tend to go off and do dumb
01:07:14.380 shit on our own not necessarily like lone wolf terrorism but like the sort of guys that have the
01:07:19.040 willingness to actually step out and fix a problem tend to be the ones that don't want to cooperate
01:07:23.960 they don't want to form groups they don't want to work together with other people and that is
01:07:27.840 it's kind of ironic that in one way we're more capable than everyone else but in another way
01:07:33.200 we hamstring ourselves by doing this because even a super capable guy like one of us is never going
01:07:39.220 to be as capable as a group of like retarded la cholos because there's 30 of them and they're
01:07:45.180 in like the shadows behind the bodega window so like if there were even if there were a dozen of
01:07:50.740 us we would have that and again i'm not even talking about violence i'm just talking about
01:07:54.480 if you have it's the it was like that that uh the always sunny episode about like it's just
01:08:00.140 it's the implication it's just the implication you know what i mean that's how you feel you think
01:08:04.120 it's all implications it's like nobody's talking about violence it's just that there's only 25
01:08:08.320 people at the police department and half of them are part-time and there's 40 of us it's just the
01:08:12.980 implication i'm not saying anything here's just the implication here's the funny thing once you
01:08:17.040 actually have the capability for violence you don't need to fed post you don't need to talk
01:08:23.360 openly about it and threaten it if they just say what you want we just say hey can you just leave
01:08:28.760 me alone hey i don't want to pay my taxes this month can i just not they're like okay okay that's
01:08:33.580 all right don't worry about it you know who does who never needed to bloviate was the italian mob
01:08:39.040 or cartels or who needs to bloviate is fucking weak moron cowards you better not mess with me
01:08:49.120 otherwise i'm gonna bring the hammer yeah of course fed posting is not only a magnet for
01:08:56.380 prosecution but it's also lame and gay uh because if you actually did have that capacity like like
01:09:02.540 a guy who knows how to fight versus someone who is just trying to like peacock to make someone
01:09:07.300 stand down but they've never been in a fight and they think it's like hold me back hold me back
01:09:12.700 or i'm gonna do it the guy who knows how to like submit someone in five minutes with a triangle
01:09:21.500 choke you know probably isn't gonna be like hold me back bro i'm the hammer of thor let's get back
01:09:28.460 to this article because i want to really we took a bit of a detour there but just to really bring
01:09:34.020 at home for what people are looking at here so here's a quote from the rcmp it says the coming
01:09:41.260 period of recession that's a point to you because you you were talking recently about a coming
01:09:46.840 recession people always talk about a coming recession as people say we'd never left the
01:09:52.140 recession but there is one coming according to the rcmp the coming period of recession will
01:09:58.060 accelerate the decline in living standards that the younger generations have already witnessed
01:10:03.340 compared to earlier generations um it's just strange hearing it come out of their mouths
01:10:08.480 and not ours you know like i i thought that was just stuff we talked about hearing that the
01:10:13.260 the fucking politicians and cops are saying the same thing is still kind of mind boggling with me
01:10:19.260 and that reads the report entitled whole of government five-year trends for canada that's
01:10:25.820 the report's called uh here's another quote for for example many canadians under 35 are unlikely
01:10:32.460 ever to be able to buy a place to live that's clear as day yeah the report labeled secret
01:10:40.960 is intended as a piece of special operational information to be distributed only within the
01:10:46.180 rcmp and among decision makers in the federal government a heavily redacted version was made
01:10:52.900 public as a result of an access to information request filed by matt malone from the british
01:10:58.720 columbia's thompson rivers university um describing itself in an introduction as a scanning exercise
01:11:05.120 that could have significant effect on the canadian government the rcmp
01:11:08.900 in addition to worsening living standards the rcmp also warns of a future increasingly defined
01:11:17.320 by unpredictable weather and seasonal catastrophes such as wildfires and flooding
01:11:21.740 most notably report authors warn of canada facing increasing pressure to seed arctic
01:11:27.860 territory another major theme of the report is that canadians are said to become increasingly
01:11:33.500 disillusioned with their government which authors mostly chalked up to misinformation conspiracy
01:11:39.720 how can you write the report about how you fucked everyone and say they've got these conspiracy
01:11:46.960 theories that we fucked them i mean at the end of the day these are the at the end of the day these
01:11:54.580 are libtards we're talking about at the end of the day these are fucking organs of the state being
01:12:00.420 like how could they have figured out how much we raped them um here's the next quote law enforcement
01:12:07.860 should expect continuing social and political polarization fueled by misinformation campaigns
01:12:13.480 uh hello and an increasing mistrust of all democratic institutions um yeah um
01:12:22.120 ironically among the report's most heavily redacted sections is one carrying the subtitle
01:12:28.300 erosion of trust the most redacted sections called erosion of trust um the censors pen
01:12:37.180 also deleted most of the section warning about paranoid populism uh-oh they're probably talking
01:12:43.360 about diagonal and all that um jeremy mckenzie stuff they hate that um canadian here's some
01:12:51.160 data canadian productivity measured in terms of gdp per capita has been trending downward
01:12:57.240 since the 1980s but this has accelerated dramatically in recent years even as per
01:13:02.600 worker productivity rises in many of our peer countries uh meanwhile housing affordability
01:13:09.960 has reached worst ever levels in most of canada's major markets on average even condos are now
01:13:16.360 unaffordable uh that only 40 here's it only 44.5 percent of canadian households have sufficient
01:13:25.620 income to buy one at current prices less than half of people that can actually buy a house
01:13:32.080 as for single family homes only the richest 25 percent of canadian households can less than half
01:13:38.280 can buy a condo less can af can less than a condo right because not even a home it's funny we talk
01:13:43.540 about condos now like they're fucking houses they're not you buy them you still have to pay
01:13:47.240 all the fees they're tiny no yard no freedom you're you're a slave to the fucking condo corp
01:13:52.980 and to the organization like it's hilarious that we even talk about condos as if that's an
01:13:57.680 equivalent to housing it's insane yeah and it yeah the entire discussion about condos has become
01:14:03.940 flipped in my lifetime um when i was young condos were seen as you know better than an apartment
01:14:09.380 in a sense but they are better than an apartment but there's nothing like having a lesson house
01:14:14.280 then at some point condos became cooler than houses but i've lived in a condo when i was in
01:14:19.920 toronto i mean they're small you know you can live downtown but like it's not worth it they
01:14:26.680 talk about amenities what they really mean is there's nice tiles on the floors but that's about
01:14:31.720 it um you're hoping that there's a better class of people there that's just because you're surrounded
01:14:37.660 by hell yeah yeah like they're in my condo building which was a very very nice building
01:14:44.600 there was still a shooting in it there's a fucking when i was living there there was a
01:14:49.160 fucking art like a guy running around the streets the fucking gun there's a shooting in our building
01:14:53.760 and a police chase right in front of where i fucking lived in the middle of the day so yeah
01:14:59.720 like your nice condo is still a stone's throw away from three homeless shelters and you know
01:15:05.780 your wife good luck with your wife walking around in the late afternoon for forget the night
01:15:13.100 for like a week straight a homeless guy just set up a throne outside of the front door of our
01:15:20.640 building a throne of trash like todd mcfarlane's spawn just a literal just a shopping cart and
01:15:29.140 he piled up all these bags in this garbage and just sat there and no one could figure out what
01:15:33.540 to do you can't you can't do nothing so yeah your condo is very expensive but you're in a swamp of
01:15:40.040 misery um anyway that's the report the report is the government i hope they don't figure out
01:15:46.480 how desperate they are um and they're saying that they're going to want to kill us once they figure
01:15:52.420 it out well now you know um and i find with every passing day and maybe this is why we get accused
01:16:00.860 of being operatives but it's like it seems that the only discussion on the table is violence
01:16:07.440 the government is admitting that reasonable people should be reacting with violence
01:16:12.340 i don't know what what do you what more can you fucking say nothing you're not you're not
01:16:17.460 unreasonable if that's part of the discourse i guess is what i'm saying we've i've had this
01:16:22.620 serious discussion with my family lately and it's this not to advocate anything but you're like
01:16:29.200 you're talking about it's kind of like talking about maslow's hierarchy of needs it's like
01:16:32.220 sometimes we talk about you know where are we going to eat for dinner where are we going to go
01:16:34.940 for vacation well when there's no vacation on the table you haven't taken a vacation in like 10 years
01:16:40.080 like us then you start talking about well where do we go for dinner but if you can't even afford
01:16:44.300 to go to a restaurant like many families like us sometimes then you start talking about well like
01:16:49.600 how are we going to fill the freezer so that the kids have nutritious food we're getting to that
01:16:54.960 point a lot of families are getting to that point and soon it's going to be there is no way to fill
01:17:00.000 the freezer with nutritious food that is legal so my kids can starve or i can break the law
01:17:07.360 like i i this is not an exaggeration we're getting there and you put this in and you don't even have
01:17:13.260 to be a racist to think of it this way but you put this in the context of you living in an area
01:17:18.360 with foreigners who again from the canadian standpoint i know americans have their whole
01:17:22.000 thing where they hate foreigners because they're dirty and they're poor they're stinky and they
01:17:25.000 don't speak your language no in canada the problem with foreigners even indians that we hate so much
01:17:29.320 they have more money than us india is a huge country it's worth they have a quarter of the
01:17:35.060 world's population the indians that come here are generally wealthier than the average indian
01:17:39.400 and i mean they're not as wealthy as as a wealthy canadian but a poor working class family they have
01:17:44.500 more money than a poor working class family they're buying homes cash so when you look at them
01:17:48.740 and it's like you're an outsider you have a lot of money you have a nice car oh i have a gun
01:17:55.300 oh like why i don't i'm not no i'm not gonna do that nobody's gonna do that but also i mean
01:18:01.540 somebody's gonna do that right what else you're gonna do that story pulled from the book of
01:18:07.840 judas and dimes when we were in our late early late teens early 20s and we were really slumming
01:18:14.800 and um you know like one pair of pants one pair of pants between us we just share pants right
01:18:21.860 you know thrift thrift shop clothes just wreaking a cat piss and cigarettes um but like we we were
01:18:29.680 like living in squalor but we were in school or adjacent to people who were in school and like
01:18:36.080 for some reason we ended up in the social circle like these other people who were going to
01:18:41.100 university of toronto and they were just like rich arabs remember that remember we just had a
01:18:45.320 bunch of rich arab friends in our circle for a while i remember that i remember that and we were
01:18:49.680 like so young and naive i remember i remember having an attitude of like it's and we were like
01:18:54.240 maybe 18 19 years old and it's so cool to meet people from other countries and the different
01:18:58.580 experiences but already at that point you start to notice the differences in how they behave and
01:19:02.940 like anyway sorry continue because you're dying oh you're talking about the saudi boys that we
01:19:05.880 yeah Saudi boys and like they they seemed looking back they had more contempt for our culture than
01:19:12.200 anything and I guess we thought it was funny to be like you know in that circle where they're
01:19:18.100 like throwing money around but it's also like why the fuck are they here they clearly don't like it
01:19:22.660 here their parents bought them the expensive condo even back then it was a million dollars
01:19:27.860 cars like every stereotype you've ever heard of and you kind of remember going with somebody
01:19:32.100 visiting one of them they go he had a condo that was like had a two-floor window facing the lake
01:19:36.780 like this was a he was a ryerson student and i don't think he even graduated but he had we went
01:19:42.060 to his condo for like it was for new year's or something and he literally had his living room
01:19:45.880 had like a 18 foot ceiling like it was a two-floor penthouse condo and at the again at the time it's
01:19:51.260 like that's cool that's i mean that's the coolest thing i've ever seen that's awesome but also we're
01:19:55.180 both 19 years old and i'm supposed to treat you with more respect than you treat me because you're
01:20:00.960 an outsider and you're brown but like you're you're literally worth eight million dollars
01:20:05.620 and i mean now if it 20 years later again i'm the one with a gun and mouths to feed and this is
01:20:12.880 where we're at in 2024 it's like you got these millionaires slumming it with the whites and now
01:20:18.520 i'm looking back thinking why weren't you scared of us you should have been scared of us and they're
01:20:24.600 not that that's why like you're not scared of us now the government's scared of us or they're
01:20:29.920 saying that maybe one day there will be i think part of the rcmp report is and maybe this is
01:20:34.100 unspoken but if i were them i'd be scared of the fact that the browns aren't scared of us
01:20:38.240 it would probably be a more stable situation if everybody had a healthy fear of each other
01:20:42.460 but they don't everybody loves to trample on us and they think it's funny and there is absolutely
01:20:47.660 zero fear there's like a like a gleeful gloating about how they've destroyed us as they crank it
01:20:53.360 up to 11 and they don't seem to be like they have no they have absolutely no fear they're all
01:20:58.420 convinced that nothing's ever going to happen i think i think they're all like like i do you think
01:21:02.400 that on the left wing brownosphere in toronto and vancouver they're even talking about this rcmp
01:21:07.700 report or it's like it's probably not even making the rounds they weren't even talking about covid
01:21:12.140 when it was happening it was only like white people and like who else would have been is
01:21:17.600 mainly white people talking about covid everyone else was like i guess this is what we're doing now
01:21:21.440 like i remember during the trucker protest all these interviews with indian truckers who were
01:21:25.840 like why are they so upset well i don't want to be part of this like like you're not cut from the
01:21:33.320 same stuff and this is something the reason i proposed the solution that article is because
01:21:38.040 i'm like here's a solution that doesn't require a lot of the demands that i i don't think work
01:21:46.060 with this population i'll give you an example so on our side of the pond politically a common
01:21:52.980 refrain is that these people need to wake up and start hating. When will the Westerner,
01:21:59.060 the Europeans start to hate? And one thing I had said recently is that despite what some
01:22:04.740 vanguardists or political advocates might believe, the average Westerner or the average European,
01:22:11.600 they don't like to hate. It's not really in their DNA, especially if they're of English stock.
01:22:18.000 I would argue in France, France actually is more predisposed to this than anyone, but
01:22:22.660 the idea that you're going to get the average lay person to like wake up with hate in their heart
01:22:28.980 and want to like visit violence upon something it's not going to happen it's never really
01:22:34.560 happened most populations are docile during periods of upheaval it's just a power play
01:22:42.380 between minority groups and then people tend to go along with whoever wins and that's what we're
01:22:47.280 talking about in that book about um coup d'etat by edward lutwak and and some other like war of
01:22:52.980 the flea and the guerrilla wars kind of the scientific analysis of guerrilla conflicts
01:22:58.420 um very few people participate in these revolutions but they'll act like they did after it won so
01:23:05.800 to an outsider it'll be like this whole nation is revolutionaries no they were just like
01:23:09.960 in their homes while the stuff was staying out of the way and waiting for the winner to be decided
01:23:15.720 yeah yeah so the idea that most people and i've said this before like those who can be red-pilled
01:23:22.480 have been red-pilled uh the rest of the people might be aware but you're not going to get them
01:23:27.300 to like rise up you're going to have a small segment of the population who needs to be
01:23:31.960 leadership material so like waiting for this kind of mass revolt isn't going to happen so
01:23:38.440 try and plan something that doesn't just involve like assassinations and burning down cities like
01:23:44.300 Like at least this model of perilous societies that are realistically designed with the goal of having a seat at the geopolitical table with specific governments.
01:23:53.740 Like you don't need to interface with China or anything, but let's just use America as an example because realistically they are our neighbor.
01:24:00.280 And if you want to have any sort of real sovereignty in Canada, you will need to have a relationship with America in some way.
01:24:07.320 and you need to communicate with them in a way like you can't fuck with me but we can work
01:24:12.140 something out that will be beneficial to you and it's more of a an exploration of the calculus of
01:24:18.340 sovereignty from a realistic perspective i think that's the only way you do it instead of dreaming
01:24:23.160 of just this conflagration of violence which is probably never going to happen you're never going
01:24:28.700 to have this like spiritual revolt of people you know turning away there's going to be no white
01:24:35.040 strike not really um this is kind of like that but it's more like you know remove yourself from
01:24:40.880 this system start another system while you let that system collapse so you become the system
01:24:45.720 people want to deal with because that's where all the competent people are and all the reasonable
01:24:51.100 people that that was what i was talking about more yeah yeah for sure um and let me just say
01:24:57.600 before we move on to the next thing um i do want to just mention once again the the sponsor of this
01:25:05.680 episode is axios remote coaching i'm still working with them i'm seeing great results loving working
01:25:12.960 with uh full sterker who's the individual there's a lot of uh other coaches in the space but i can
01:25:20.160 you know put put the seal of approval um also there's been a new episode of real secret coffee
01:25:29.640 hours that dropped on the paywall that's on patreon and gum road uh this is i believe the
01:25:36.040 16th episode so these are full well over an hour long episodes um the trend that i've come into
01:25:42.880 recently is discussing what i call sub stack fights so usually i think a couple of sub stacks
01:25:49.260 of individuals who are like responding to each other but using that as a launch pad to discuss
01:25:56.260 the larger topics for example one of the previous ones was between academic agent and keith woods
01:26:01.200 on and and really they're they really don't like each other they've been feuding for a long time
01:26:06.520 but it's a launching pad to really go over the articles and discuss elite theory for versus
01:26:12.000 ideology which is a big topic in our space i just recorded one that isn't live yet but i'm really
01:26:19.560 excited about um the last one was about imperium press the one you can check out right now imperium
01:26:25.940 press responding to an article written by anatoly carlin who's been a figure's been in the dissident
01:26:33.500 right the alt-right for a long time and him saying he's leaving the right to you know it
01:26:41.180 the article he wrote is called intellectual restructuring talking about how he disavows
01:26:46.500 a lot of his previous beliefs and there's this new phenomenon you're seeing where a lot of these
01:26:50.640 legacy alt-right guys are forming something like the alt center and like richard spencer might be
01:26:57.680 one of them there's a lot of guys who are like becoming nato guys and leaving behind identity
01:27:02.520 politics entirely and going all in on transhumanism and things like that so like that's a big that not
01:27:09.380 only is that an interesting topic it's something that is very of the times and this format for the
01:27:14.820 show is very interesting so um and the next one is going to be about pronatalism um i won't get
01:27:20.040 too much i'll talk about when it's up but um you can subscribe to the paywall get access to those
01:27:25.300 shows uh they're all video like an hour 45 check that out um also we're going to play right now
01:27:33.340 the latest edition of crimes chat once again crimes chat is sort of a speaker's corner we
01:27:40.120 have here on blood satellite where listeners like yourself can send me through uh telegram
01:27:47.540 contact us through our page there or email me bloodsatellite at protonmail.com send me an audio
01:27:55.380 file on whatever you like it could be a story it could be a joke i would say err on the side of
01:28:01.980 being shorter we've got some submissions that are upwards of 10 minutes i'd like to have that
01:28:08.480 as the ceiling maybe keep them around five but whatever you think is interesting maybe it's a
01:28:14.460 topic that's been burning a hole in your brain or anything you think that the listenership or
01:28:19.800 ourselves should hear i've loved everyone we've received so far so i'm going to play another one
01:28:25.940 now, and here you go.
01:28:28.840 Crime is checked.
01:28:41.180 One names have been changed to protect the retarded.
01:28:44.700 That time Thurman raped a guy, so there I was, in rehab the first time, minding my own
01:28:50.200 business.
01:28:51.300 We got a new guy in that looked like a cross between Bebop from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
01:28:56.240 and Gomer Pyle from Full Metal Jacket. I think Bebop is the pig one but whatever you know what
01:29:01.920 I mean. Now given the nature of the story you might think this guy was standoffish or stoic
01:29:07.400 not wanting to reveal why he was there but he was the opposite. He was busting at the seams to tell
01:29:12.780 his story. He didn't seem proud of it, more like he wasn't very bright and wanted someone to tell
01:29:18.700 him it was fine and not to worry about it. It has been a while so I can't remember any direct
01:29:24.280 quotes but the gist was this, his wife meets a homeless man and decides for the sake of charity
01:29:29.360 they need to move him into their house. Thurman, not being very bright, decides moving a homeless
01:29:35.200 person into his house was a perfectly reasonable thing to do. Well this dummy, his gross wife and
01:29:41.080 the dumpster denizen start talking and decide it is a good idea to have a threesome, you can see
01:29:46.040 this train coming a mile off. So rather than a threesome he says that it just kinda turned
01:29:51.220 into this homeless guy banging his wife which pissed him off, understandable. So what does
01:29:56.700 he do here? Does he throw the guy out? Kick his ass? Admit that he has been retarded from
01:30:03.340 the start and just take off for some soul searching? Nope nope nope. He decides the
01:30:09.020 only fair way to end this is to have sex with the homeless guy as well but as you might
01:30:13.260 imagine the homeless guy was not down for that. With no regard for consent or hygiene our intrepid
01:30:19.120 protagonist plowed homeless man ass and his wife called the police. I guess she felt the situation
01:30:25.040 had finally gotten out of control. I guess they decided he needed to go to the funny farm while
01:30:30.440 he awaited trial which is how he ended up in the rehab center with us. They did all kinds of head
01:30:36.100 shrinking there, it was no passages in Malibu. So anyway this story isn't really the kinda stuff
01:30:42.680 you usually cover but i don't get to tell it often and i figured what it lacks in identitarian
01:30:47.340 it makes up for in schizophrenia thank you for coming to my ted talk
01:30:51.600 wow wasn't that something judas as ever fantastic uh great submission can we get some
01:31:10.680 zams in the chat all right so i'm going to we're going to talk about a very very interesting book
01:31:19.080 right now but i wanted to lead into it with a piece of news that i think is relevant because
01:31:24.520 this book is rather old but it's in the same through line that we've been discussing with
01:31:31.880 recently with vaccines and excitotoxins it's about chemical research which is also something
01:31:37.860 we've discussed in the past with lab 257 um and with uh explorations and the various you know
01:31:45.860 disclosures of weird experiments that the government does in developing strange diseases
01:31:51.960 chemical weapons and whatnot now i'm just looking at the counter signal it's on countersignal.com
01:31:59.300 this was published uh 2024 february 28th um headline is secret government secret documents
01:32:06.980 reveal Trudeau government,
01:32:09.020 virologists had, quote,
01:32:10.600 clandestine relationship
01:32:12.140 with Chinese agents.
01:32:14.400 Interesting.
01:32:15.420 So it says here,
01:32:16.200 documents authored by Canada's
01:32:18.380 top intelligence service
01:32:19.620 reveal that long-awaited explanation
01:32:21.980 behind the abrupt departure
01:32:23.320 of two virologists
01:32:24.320 from Canada's top biolaboratory.
01:32:27.300 The documents which have been viewed
01:32:28.500 by the countersignal
01:32:29.400 and published here
01:32:30.280 for our readers' expose
01:32:31.660 expose the Trudeau government
01:32:33.400 for hiding the true reason
01:32:34.620 for the departure of Dr.
01:32:35.840 oh Christ, Zhang Guoqi, Canada's public health agency. Despite the Liberals citing the departure
01:32:45.060 as a personal issue, the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, CSIS, accuses Dr. Q
01:32:50.680 of a long history of clandestine actions that put Canadians' health and security at risk.
01:32:55.420 Looking at documents from CSIS that gave an assessment that while they didn't think there
01:33:01.480 malicious intent that perhaps these scientists were just naive about their collaborations and
01:33:06.680 they're not following rules that they would not willingly cooperate with a foreign power
01:33:12.200 that kind of thing they were still a risk and therefore their CSIS recommendation or well
01:33:18.120 sort of recommendation was that they should not be given their security clearances anymore which
01:33:22.120 basically means they can't work as scientists in this top secret lab anymore but going further
01:33:27.080 into the documents cesus did a later assessment based on a second interview which shows an
01:33:33.080 evolution in their thinking and assessment and that's because between interview one and two they
01:33:37.720 clearly had gathered some more information and then when they brought it to uh these scientists
01:33:44.520 especially um dr q uh it was it was denial denial not telling the truth alongside selling deadly
01:33:56.280 pathogens to chinese authorities at the wuhan institute of virology for just 75 dollars
01:34:03.420 jesus christ that wow what like make it free or make it 20 000 that's embarrassing
01:34:12.260 like that that's such an an unforgivably chinese amount just maybe many just covered him at the
01:34:19.460 buffet and they found the receipt it was about 75 dollars maybe that's what they meant he asked for
01:34:24.620 He went to the Chinese restaurant and said, give me everything.
01:34:30.020 Give me your finest food, and it costs $75.
01:34:35.520 He was also found to have hidden a Chinese bank account from CSIS.
01:34:39.980 He was shown to have given China agents direct access to Canada's National Microbiology Laboratory,
01:34:46.160 a biosafety level four facility which houses Canada's most secret and secure pathogenic diseases.
01:34:52.920 these pathogens can be used in weaponry um cesis also found that key was actively working with
01:35:01.180 the chinese wuhan virology lab on a project that cesis redacted and called project one that's
01:35:07.000 not suspicious the project started january 1st 2019 just three months before she sent a shipment
01:35:12.480 of materials to the wuhan lab and the project involved the study of mrna vaccines i mean this
01:35:18.840 is just it's like it was written for us yeah it's like you just hit every key phrase
01:35:25.040 chat gbt just coughed up something to get me hard project two was cited by cesus as being a
01:35:33.080 cross-species infection program that could have been used for gain-of-function research into bat
01:35:39.640 viruses i mean i mean you can't make it up man cesus reported that at least five virus strains
01:35:51.280 from that march 1st uh pathogen shipment from winnipeg to wuhan from winnipeg to wuhan i don't
01:35:56.980 know why i find that so amusing we're referencing the uh institute's project one all right so i
01:36:02.820 think that's a good rip from the headlines sort of thing to set up and as far as i know this is
01:36:07.920 ongoing as far as i know this news has dropped no one else is talking about it as far as i know
01:36:13.120 like have people in your office in your life your family has anyone talking no no no no this is all
01:36:19.140 it's almost like people have forgotten about all of the conspiratorial context of uh covid like
01:36:27.600 people will still like covid was a wild time but nobody wants to talk about the details of
01:36:34.060 how and why it happened it's too much of an open wound yeah and but you keep understand you keep
01:36:41.200 seeing things like this and it's like i don't want to keep using the the phrase vindication but
01:36:46.660 i think everything we've talked about has come to pass and it's worse than you thought oh yeah
01:36:52.920 i think if people just hear wuhan they check out they tune out i'm like no no no like i i'm
01:36:59.360 I'm willing to forgive you for calling me crazy, but please, this is important.
01:37:06.640 I'm begging you.
01:37:07.440 I'm not talking about this just because it interests me.
01:37:10.780 I'm talking about this because I think this is relevant to our survival as a civilization.
01:37:17.660 You can't keep acting like you're bored of it.
01:37:20.840 This is important shit, just like what we're going to talk about now.
01:37:24.000 now this is a book that i discussed on a show very very briefly that i appeared on recently that
01:37:32.300 i'm not going to play on this episode but maybe the next one actually but uh it's a book where
01:37:38.720 the title almost has itself you just read the title and the subheading and you almost get
01:37:43.440 everything you need to know so i'm gonna read the whole thing the title of this book by edward t
01:37:49.180 haslam is titled dr mary's monkey dr mary's monkey how the unsolved murder of a doctor
01:37:57.500 a secret laboratory in new orleans and cancer-causing monkey viruses are linked
01:38:02.300 to lee harvey oswald's and the assassination of john f kennedy and emerging local global epidemics
01:38:08.860 that's insane now that sound like a it's a very interesting book there's a lot of people
01:38:15.100 in our sphere who've heard of this book and a friend of mine who's been on the show before
01:38:22.380 Christopher Sandbatch he lives in New Orleans and he goes very very deep into New Orleans history
01:38:28.020 he's got a real affection for that city and so much of this book takes place in New Orleans in
01:38:34.100 the mid-20th century sort of local lore but I'm going to set up the book by saying that
01:38:41.460 It's very, very interesting. There's a lot in this book that is just pulled from history, pulled from the news, and almost that alone is enough to stand alone. There's some wild speculation made in the book.
01:38:57.360 like many i'll say conspiracy theory books many conspiracy theory books written by very passionate
01:39:05.480 authors tend to use their own life experience a lot in it which is fine but you know these books
01:39:12.320 can tend to turn into autobiographies of the author book is called dr mary's monkey dr mary's
01:39:19.120 monkey and the mary involved was dr mary sherman who lived on saint charles avenue near louisiana
01:39:24.560 And in 1964, her body was found, stabbed seven or eight times, set on fire, and her right arm was missing, which was never told to the press.
01:39:34.120 And there was nothing in her apartment that could do that.
01:39:36.860 So I got very interested in this because Mary Sherman was a colleague of my father at Tulay Medical School.
01:39:44.080 Really?
01:39:44.580 So there were people that connected to my family, and I wanted to know what happened to my father's colleague.
01:39:49.280 and i got the police reports and the autopsy reports and all the media and i found out what
01:39:55.400 the media had not been told about it so the public had not been told that her right arm and rib cage
01:40:01.300 had been disintegrated by heat so i had a lot of questions and i got deeper and deeper into this
01:40:07.320 and before it was all over we wound up with a biological weapon and lee harvey oswald
01:40:13.040 all going on in uptown new orleans and i'm reminded of behold a pale horse by william cooper
01:40:19.760 where a lot of that book is him explaining his life and his relationship which is fine but
01:40:25.060 it's very very anecdotal and there's entire chapters of this book that draw some very very
01:40:32.460 loose connections and the entire end of it is am i saying these two things are connected no but
01:40:38.020 could they be like when it ends with a very speculative question like okay that i just wasted
01:40:43.840 20 pages um but there is stuff in here that's that's very very relevant so i'm just gonna i
01:40:52.040 got a lot a lot of notes here we might not spend too too long on it but i think there's enough here
01:40:55.620 that will interest people so he starts by saying that in the late 1960s i heard about mary sherman's
01:41:04.840 connection to an underground medical laboratory run by a suspect in the murder of President
01:41:10.440 Kennedy. I was told they were using monkey viruses to create cancer. The possibility of this being
01:41:17.180 used as a biological weapon were clear. What began as an investigation into this single murder
01:41:23.280 morphed into consideration of epidemics which killed millions of people and which cost billions
01:41:29.460 of dollars. It became an investigation into an underground medical laboratory that was
01:41:34.300 accidentally discovered during the investigation into the jfk assassination a laboratory which
01:41:39.660 secretly irradiated cancer causing monkey viruses to develop a biological weapon now when people
01:41:46.060 read that maybe even they read this at the time because when did this book come out this would
01:41:51.480 have come out i believe in 2007 it was based after an early he wrote this book i think in like the
01:41:58.080 80s but then he kind of redid it re-released it and reprinted it later so this came out in uh 2007
01:42:03.780 i believe um but there was a time when people said oh like creating viruses create cancers in
01:42:11.880 a lab why would people do that but i hope people with with 2024 vision understand that that's
01:42:19.260 almost all they do in these labs um that's what they were doing in canada and the problem wasn't
01:42:26.120 whether or not they were doing it's just how much of it leaked out when they were secretly
01:42:30.120 trafficking it out through double agents right so like it should go without saying that
01:42:35.820 the the cancerous monkey part is the most realistic part of this even though it sounds
01:42:42.180 the most preposterous to some people so he's got a lot of interesting stuff in here where he says
01:42:48.400 as i poured over the official cancer statistics from the national cancer institute i saw the
01:42:55.180 dimensions of the massive epidemic of soft tissue cancers that had swept our country an epidemic
01:43:01.300 that had been all but ignored by our watchdog press. According to a review of cancer registries
01:43:07.580 across 44 countries early onset cases are rising for 14 types of cancers many of which affect the
01:43:15.420 digestive system. The typical risk factors we think of that would cause these different tumor
01:43:21.260 types are definitely different specific to each one i also noticed that the names connected to
01:43:27.660 the polio vaccine were names connected to dr mary sherman and to the investigation of the jfk
01:43:33.340 assassination i began to suspect that these secrets were somehow intertwined secrets which
01:43:38.220 presented serious accountability problems for the people in power so some a lot of this book is this
01:43:43.900 person knew that person there's a relationship that's at the center of this book and that's a
01:43:49.420 relationship between dr mary sherman who we'll get into who's brutally murdered and this guy named
01:43:55.900 uh david ferry i believe what was his name his last name was ferry uh who was a real character
01:44:01.580 we'll get to in a second but those two did know each other and that's what made mary sherman kind
01:44:07.180 of suspicious but these two individuals shouldn't have known each other and they're connected to
01:44:11.420 this kind of weird secret lab so that part also seems to be true there's some other tenuous
01:44:17.820 connections but once you look at what the most solid evidence is for is actually pretty interesting
01:44:22.880 so he's kind of starting off with the cancer thing here he says during the early 1960s there
01:44:30.240 were numerous outbreaks of infectious diseases among the animal handlers and monkeys around the
01:44:35.860 country waterborne diseases were transferred through saliva moisture in the breath and urine
01:44:40.960 they could be caught just by being around primates primates are intelligent mammals and they quickly
01:44:46.140 He figured out that a trip to the handler meant being stuck with needles.
01:44:49.320 So what he was saying was that the monkeys also learned how to defend themselves.
01:44:53.720 Monkeys were very popular for cultivating viruses because there's just something about monkeys and their DNA and their genetics that make them great hosts for diseases.
01:45:05.560 That's why they were used.
01:45:06.760 But they're also the most dangerous.
01:45:08.360 He says one book published in the 1960s made the point clear in the title, The Hazards of Handling Simeons, and listed the numerous outbreaks of diseases in primate research facilities during the previous two decades.
01:45:19.960 So they loved using primates, but primates were like a big, big problem for leaking diseases.
01:45:27.200 He also says experimentation with carcinogenic viruses was widespread throughout the network of primate research centers from the U.S. to Europe to USSR.
01:45:38.360 In the 60s, blood, tumor cells, and viral extracts were routinely taken from a variety of animals injected into monkeys in a game of viral roulettes.
01:45:48.460 One lab created tumors in as little as eight days.
01:45:51.760 Another lab injected human volunteers with a known cancer-causing monkey viruses to observe the effects.
01:45:57.360 New diseases started to appear, diseases which were unknown in the wild.
01:46:02.180 One such disease that first appeared in the lab is called SAIDs or simian AIDS.
01:46:08.360 It occurred when African monkey viruses were given to Asian monkeys.
01:46:13.580 You know, he makes an argument in the book that this could very well be where HIV and AIDS came from.
01:46:19.760 Because it's widely accepted that AIDS, HIV and AIDS made the jump from the primate population to the human population.
01:46:28.900 Right.
01:46:29.560 Everyone, there's a lot of different explanations for why some people think that, oh, a guy fucked a monkey.
01:46:36.260 And that's how they got it.
01:46:37.260 Some people think it might have come through Africans eating bushmeat because it's not uncommon in a lot of African countries where they just like eat raw monkey a lot of the time.
01:46:48.300 And there could be just contaminated blood that gets into a mouth sore.
01:46:51.780 They can jump that way.
01:46:52.520 There's a lot of reasons.
01:46:53.580 One explanation is that it was just cultivated in a lab because they could, because they wanted to experiment with diseases.
01:47:00.920 It says in 1959, the U.S. Congress finally took the danger of an accidental monkey virus epidemic seriously
01:47:09.140 and financed seven regional primate centers in the U.S. to get the experiments out of the cities.
01:47:16.660 Tulane University in New Orleans is where we're focusing on here.
01:47:21.500 The monkeys that live on this huge plot of land near a small Louisiana town are pivotal in the fight against COVID-19.
01:47:30.040 Many of the 5,000 primates at the Tulane National Research Centre
01:47:34.220 are destined for use in scientific research for the virus.
01:47:39.000 The facility has high-level biosafety labs
01:47:41.600 and is able to handle biological threats as dangerous as anthrax,
01:47:46.600 making it well-positioned to pivot quickly to COVID research when the pandemic hit.
01:47:52.180 And he says it kind of fell out of fashion because in the 1940s,
01:47:55.080 John F. Enders, a microbiologist from Harvard,
01:47:57.700 figured out how to grow viruses and test tubes of human cells.
01:48:02.380 At the time, the breakthrough was hailed as the end of the monkey era.
01:48:06.340 We don't need to use monkeys anymore.
01:48:08.220 He says, today, however, there are approximately 20,000 monkeys
01:48:11.780 sitting in cages in scientific labs across the country.
01:48:14.720 I have no reason to doubt that number.
01:48:16.600 So there's still monkeys being used, and people kind of know
01:48:19.540 that there's still simian tests being done,
01:48:22.440 because I think they just are that effective,
01:48:24.800 especially for creating these sorts of diseases.
01:48:27.700 It mentions the Kennedy assassination. That also sits at the heart of this. There's a district attorney named Jim Garrison who was investigating the assassination of President Kennedy at the time. He was sort of this hero of the case. The amount of press coverage that was received in New Orleans was staggering.
01:48:44.700 he appeared on national television and stated in unambiguous language that a faction within the u.s
01:48:51.360 central intelligence agency had murdered the president of the united states so that's where
01:48:55.560 a lot of these conspiracy theories come from um and in 67 this man garrison he arrested a new
01:49:02.220 orleans businessman named clay shaw clay shaw he was arrested for conspiring to assassinate the
01:49:08.220 president uh and he said at that time um garrison blamed the uh extremist elements within the anti
01:49:16.720 castro community and to prevent any misinterpretation he specifically pointed out that
01:49:21.660 his team not only found had not found any evidence of involvement by the cia itself
01:49:27.160 but in 67 all that changed garrison upped the stakes by announcing on national tv
01:49:31.620 that kennedy's death was a coup d'etat organized by elements inside the cia particularly its plans
01:49:38.060 division um the heart of the case was that he had associated this man clay shaw this businessman
01:49:44.300 with lee harvey oswald during the summer of 1963 um and he thought that that was shaw setting up
01:49:51.840 oswald for the fall guy and now we introduce a third character a third character named uh fairy
01:49:58.040 f-e-r-r-i-e uh he here's how he connects to all of that assassination stuff now fairy i'm just
01:50:06.160 going to read what it says about this guy fairy was an unusual man in many respects get ready
01:50:11.760 because a new literally me is about to drop professionally he was a pilot politically he
01:50:18.720 was a notorious right-wing extremist uh personally he was completely bald from head to toe
01:50:25.580 and this is where the literally me kind of hit the brakes uh he was also a homosexual who favored
01:50:34.460 teenage boys ah fuck and every time i hear homosexual favors teenage boys i assume they're
01:50:41.580 a pedophile and teenage is just what they say yeah anyway ferry died several days after garrison's
01:50:48.020 investigation was a public garrison who was about to arrest ferry for conspiring to assassinate the
01:50:53.820 president thought that either ferry had been murdered to silence him or ferry had silenced
01:50:58.800 himself fairly had also known lee harvey oswald when he was a cadet at the civil civil air patrol
01:51:05.180 and had seen him that summer ferry's role in the assassination was as a getaway pilot
01:51:11.260 he reportedly spent two weeks before the assassination at mafia boss carlo marcello's
01:51:16.400 hunting camp across the mississippi river ferry lived alone but in his closets they had found
01:51:23.000 both women's clothing and peace priest robes because this guy also desperately wanted to be
01:51:29.700 a priest he was he was a catholic and wanted to be a priest and he mentions the book how the catholic
01:51:35.540 church kicked him out because they said you're a gay insane man so you can't be a priest but he
01:51:42.200 and he tried to join a bunch of different churches in his life and they kept getting like lower and
01:51:48.220 lower status, but he just couldn't become
01:51:50.140 a priest. It wouldn't let him.
01:51:52.140 And so he just became an assassin,
01:51:54.620 I guess. Nice.
01:51:56.900 In his apartment, they also
01:51:58.400 found a small medical laboratory
01:52:00.180 with a dozen mice in cages,
01:52:02.100 which he used for medical experiments.
01:52:04.440 And this guy's all over the map. This guy sounds like a real
01:52:06.140 jerk. Damn, son.
01:52:08.120 Where'd you find that?
01:52:09.680 David Ferry has become a character of almost
01:52:12.240 comic book proportions. A brilliant man
01:52:14.240 rejected by society. He was a
01:52:16.240 collection of contradictions a man of high moral aspirations who is compromised by personal
01:52:21.360 cravings a respected airline pilot who became a tattered bohemian rebel the son of a police
01:52:28.160 captain who helped defend a mafia boss against prosecution um from the orange wig haphazardly
01:52:35.440 glued to his head to his grease paint eyebrows wait wait wait no because he's completely ball
01:52:46.840 he's like alopecia or something yeah so he has grease paint eyebrows yeah and a fucking red wig
01:52:52.580 i guess he just like stapled to his head to his wardrobe full of religious vestments to his home
01:52:57.640 brewed cancer experiments to his burning desire to help teenage boys to his ability to land planes
01:53:04.280 in jungle clearings at night to his violent schemes against Castro to his friendship with
01:53:10.360 Lee Harvey Oswald to his unreported genius he was the most colorful figure dredged up during the
01:53:16.240 JFK assassinations I mean if there's not a movie on this guy right I want to imagine that he wasn't
01:53:22.580 gay they're just saying that to make him look worse because if it wasn't for him being gay
01:53:25.860 he sounds like a fucking fucking hilarious guy yeah maybe he did just want to help the boys I
01:53:30.600 don't know um ferry began his study of biochemistry and took correspondence course in psychology
01:53:37.260 and hypnotism uh albeit from an unaccredited medical school in italy i mean this guy rules
01:53:43.980 again aside from the gaming he's taking weird italian courses in hypnotism he listed himself
01:53:49.360 as a doctor in the phone book um uh he can sit he continued his involvement in the civil air
01:53:57.520 patrol and reached the rank of captain then he met a cadet named lee harvey oswald towards the
01:54:03.360 end of the 60s another personal tragedy entangled ferry his hair started falling out in clumps
01:54:08.640 someone in the government must have seen value in an airline pilot who wanted to train killers
01:54:16.220 because ferry started moonlighting as a pilot for the cia because he really hated castro he really
01:54:22.040 hated communism he just wanted to kill every communist he could get his hands on the precise
01:54:26.560 extent of ferry's relationship with the cia is not known many of the documents are still classified
01:54:32.000 but it's widely reported that he flew numerous missions in and out of cuba first supplying
01:54:37.960 castro with arms to fight batista and then later supplying anti-castro movements with underground
01:54:43.640 weapons back in new orleans ferry's involvement with the increasingly desperate anti-castro
01:54:50.380 cuban underground was escalating his main employment was working as a private investigator
01:54:55.060 for a white ring extremist named guy banister who was heavily involved in covert anti-communist
01:55:00.440 activities in latin america which is a cool thing to do back then like you guys in our circles
01:55:06.260 could just get mine together and fund gorillas in south america i mean i guess we still could
01:55:11.360 um it's just like what revolution would we want to support i don't see no one out there
01:55:17.120 um it says uh his assistance to the anti-castro cuban underground included
01:55:24.580 military training of a dozen
01:55:26.720 Cuban exiles at a rural
01:55:28.620 camp located about 40 miles
01:55:30.400 outside of New Orleans. Their target
01:55:32.720 was Castro himself.
01:55:36.960 He says here, the author says,
01:55:38.660 at this point, let me state that I cannot say if
01:55:40.620 David Ferry was involved in the assassination
01:55:42.640 directly. The fact that Ferry was
01:55:44.660 suspected of being involved in the Kennedy
01:55:46.460 assassination is why we know about him
01:55:48.540 in the first place. So the only reason
01:55:50.560 we know all this shit about him is because he was
01:55:52.280 investigated for his involvement.
01:55:53.940 and it's how we know his involvement in covert medical experiments with dr mary sherman and
01:56:00.140 others now you mentioned mary sherman who the fuck is mary sherman so mary sherman was this
01:56:07.060 doctor uh considered absolutely brilliant by her medical colleagues she rose rapidly the very top
01:56:12.660 ranks of american medicine in bone and joint surgery uh a field that to this day has very
01:56:19.040 few female physicians self-made financially successful and professionally respected dr
01:56:24.320 sherman was a sophisticated and powerful woman none of this seems to explain or even hint at
01:56:30.280 her involvement with a politically violent emotionally unstable drug addicted social
01:56:35.220 outcast like david ferry who had no formal medical trainings like why are these two people connected
01:56:40.220 because they were now what happened to mary sherman that is so suspicious well at approximately
01:56:45.760 four o'clock in the morning one night uh a neighbor smelled smoke and called the police
01:56:50.840 his name was juan valdez um which sounds familiar to me like i keep thinking there's another
01:56:57.320 murder case where there's probably plenty i would imagine that at this time there's a lot of juan
01:57:02.480 valdez involved in things you know when the firefighters arrived they removed a smoking
01:57:08.720 mattress from the apartment within minutes the police searched the apartment and found the badly
01:57:13.000 burned body of a woman that had been stabbed repeatedly this was mary sherman she was killed
01:57:18.160 the explanations of mary sherman's murder don't add up the press coverage focused on an intruder
01:57:24.720 angle yet there was no forced entry the police investigation failed to determine any identifiable
01:57:31.080 motive and yet the homicide report strained to imply a sexual motive the crime scene was also
01:57:37.720 bizarre how could anyone inflict such massive destruction on another person in the still of the
01:57:43.000 night in a flimsy apartment complex with other people and not have anyone hear anything good
01:57:47.640 point was she a uh as they stated in the press a childless sadomasochistic lesbian witch who
01:57:55.660 tried to become a goddess by developing her own life form or was she a deep sensitive honest
01:57:59.640 caring physician there's a lot of strange stories about her um now we go back to that jim garrison
01:58:08.280 guy as a lot of this stuff is coming out we're trying to figure out who killed mary sherman who
01:58:14.160 caused this murder which leads directly to david ferry who is also in new orleans at the time with
01:58:21.040 this weird fucking lab in an apartment that he owns experimenting independently on creating cancer
01:58:26.620 which mary sherman is also interested in so the the story here is that they were kind of working on
01:58:33.360 something related to cancer at the same time okay but what could that be so
01:58:39.460 so jim garrison referred to a medical treatise written by david ferry on the subject of inducing
01:58:49.320 cancer virally so this david ferry guy he's got some some document that he's prepared that people
01:58:54.640 they found at his apartment purportedly explaining what he was developing which was inducing cancer
01:59:01.320 through a virus which you can do through carcinogens again like i said last episode
01:59:07.400 a lot of people think cancer is just a genetic thing that happens organically but you can cause
01:59:12.980 cancer in a lot of ways um finding the document was a high priority to me since it would go a long
01:59:18.120 way towards verifying garrison's claim about various cancer research and his capability to
01:59:23.780 induce cancer the other side of the issue what did the american medical establishment really
01:59:28.340 know about cancer at the time and how did the theories and techniques in david ferry's medical
01:59:33.340 treatise relate to the leading edge of cancer research in america and they actually did find
01:59:40.200 the document and they found uh he he kind of describes in the book about it was a collection
01:59:46.360 of other cancer research about what we knew about how to induce cancers from other medical literature
01:59:51.480 because a lot of this stuff is just out there um it should be emphasized that the author obviously
01:59:55.720 believed it very that cancer was viral extracts were made from the malignant tumors which appeared
02:00:01.400 in the test group these extracts were then injected into other animals of the test group
02:00:06.120 a variety of malignancies appeared leukemia a chorio pleiothermia which is cancer of the uterus
02:00:12.760 among them the author revealed his or her experience with a number of experimental
02:00:16.440 anti-cancer drugs and these were meriposiparin amnioparin adavin magnesium trechinate david
02:00:28.400 ferry would not have access to the unreleased antibiotic developed by a top medical researcher
02:00:33.700 so basically what he was implying was mary sherman as a medical professional is helping supply david
02:00:39.540 ferry with a lot of the medical literature through which he could conduct his research into
02:00:44.580 how to create cancer virally okay so
02:00:47.920 now you know why would they be doing that now this is where it gets a bit more speculative
02:00:54.800 but it actually gets more interesting and and by the end of this we do reach a conclusion
02:00:59.460 on how mary sherman perhaps died because it all fits together perfectly like a good mystery so
02:01:08.440 here's where this kind of connects with our previous episode on Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s
02:01:15.480 Vax on Vax. So here we go. At its crest in the early 1950s, over 33,000 Americans fell, crippled
02:01:22.600 or died slow, terrible deaths from polio. Most were children. The word polio struck fear in
02:01:28.540 people's hearts. Sarah Stewart's name remains virtually unknown today, despite her huge
02:01:34.500 contribution to modern medicine not only did she prove that some cancers were caused by viruses
02:01:39.080 but subsequent research on the virus she discovered led to discovery of dna recombination which is one
02:01:45.100 of the most powerful tools in medical research today so here's an interesting part there's this
02:01:51.680 woman named bernice eddie who helped with a lot of this research says in june 1959 bernice eddie
02:01:56.360 who was still officially assigned to the flu vaccine project began thinking about the polio
02:02:01.360 vaccine in october 1960 one month before the kennedy nixon presidential debate eddie gave a
02:02:07.560 talk to the new york cancer society and without warning uh the nih in advance announced that she
02:02:13.420 had examined monkey kidney cells in which the polio virus was grown and found that they were
02:02:18.280 infected with cancer causing viruses her implication was clear there were cancer causing
02:02:23.500 monkey viruses in the polio vaccine this was tantamount to forecasting the epidemic of cancer
02:02:29.400 in America. So, you know, there's a lot in the book that kind of skipped past there, but this
02:02:34.720 all connects directly to the polio vaccine and how they generated the vaccine. So relatively quickly
02:02:42.600 through their experiments with monkey viruses. And this is sort of what RFK Jr. is saying that,
02:02:49.280 you know, some of the components of these viruses that they, these vaccines rather, they say are
02:02:53.400 safe, but they're really not. And as we've seen, there've been many vaccines that were taken off
02:02:57.900 the market because they did cause these effects um so just to give the the headline here
02:03:04.660 they're claiming that the cancer epidemic that we're seeing in america since the 60s which is
02:03:11.680 remarkable which has been remarked upon by the cancer societies of the world like what's causing
02:03:17.280 this oh maybe it has to do diet they're saying it might actually be the polio vaccine which isn't
02:03:22.140 to say that 100 of the people that get the polio vaccine get cancer but it would explain a sharp
02:03:30.160 and unexplained uptick yeah it's also an interesting one with polio because it's like
02:03:36.140 it's a vaccine that technically may save some young healthy people but the trade-off is
02:03:44.640 everybody over retirement age it just kills them dead it's like okay so that's a win-win
02:03:49.160 from the government standpoint it's actually it's it's two birds with one stone then it all
02:03:54.980 just goes away the next part here is that on the heels of the polio fiasco the medical hierarchy
02:03:59.960 feared the judgment of the masses their ability to destroy a painstakingly constructed scientific
02:04:05.820 career overnight had been clearly proved another spate of bad news might shatter the public's
02:04:10.600 confidence in vaccines altogether where would the world be then of course um where would the
02:04:17.580 health establishment be that he asks uh he said i dug out the cancer statistics published by the
02:04:24.440 national cancer institute in 1989 started reading the related literature two things became clear
02:04:31.100 one we were losing the war on cancer and two we were in the midst of an ongoing cancer epidemic
02:04:37.640 despite improvements in cancer treatment which had decreased the age adjust age adjusted per
02:04:43.820 capita death rate the hard fact remained americans were getting cancer faster than ever reporting in
02:04:49.980 a 94 article published by the journal of american medical association front page of usa today stated
02:04:55.980 baby boomers are much more likely to get cancer than their grandparents were at the same age
02:05:02.540 interesting so he asked the question did dozens of monkey viruses get into the human blood supply
02:05:09.180 from the polio vaccine did they contaminate both the salt and sabin vaccines salt and sabin the
02:05:14.940 names of two of the vaccines were these the same vaccines given to millions of children in both the
02:05:19.660 united states and europe consider the 1997 quote from the u.s government's own journal of the
02:05:25.980 national cancer institute it says quote in the 1950s sv40 was one of several dozen vaccines
02:05:31.500 contaminated uh the was when several dozen viruses that contaminated the original salt
02:05:37.580 Salkins-Saving Polio Vaccines, administered to millions of school children.
02:05:41.360 The vaccine contaminated was injected into trusting children until 63.
02:05:49.680 Developing a vaccine against a spectrum of cancer-causing monkey viruses
02:05:53.400 already inoculated into millions of people,
02:05:56.140 and the polio vaccine was at best a long shot,
02:05:58.680 but there was some evidence that anti-cancer vaccines were possible.
02:06:03.580 The odds of success were slim, but the stakes were enormous.
02:06:06.960 Millions of Americans with cancer.
02:06:08.520 They had to do something.
02:06:09.580 They had to try, and maybe they'll get lucky.
02:06:12.880 They might have serendipity.
02:06:15.320 In a word, they were desperate.
02:06:17.240 Ferry and the agri-Cuban exiles may have been willing to develop a biological weapon to kill Castro.
02:06:22.640 I personally had not thought that Dr. Mary Sherman would only have imparted a secret development of biological weapon.
02:06:28.820 I did, however, think that she might have been willing to be part of a covert effort to prevent an epidemic of cancer.
02:06:35.680 right so why would she know david ferry probably wasn't to kill cubans but maybe it was to deal
02:06:40.720 with this guy who the cia had in their pocket like okay this guy is known for doing some weird
02:06:46.700 cancer stuff maybe there's something we can get going in the shadows here so really the story now
02:06:51.780 is like a race against time to try and cure monkey cancer that millions of americans already have
02:06:59.160 and and try and like do before anyone fucking notices and he asked the question to kind of
02:07:05.320 summarize, just what were the connections between Mary Sherman and the key viral researchers at the
02:07:11.020 NIH? And are these connections strong enough to explain how an internal treatise on viral cancer
02:07:16.420 research might have found its way into David Ferry's apartment? And were they strong enough
02:07:20.760 to support the idea that Mary Sherman may have been asked by people at the National Cancer
02:07:25.020 Institute to be part of a covert effort to develop a vaccine to prevent a cancer epidemic?
02:07:30.680 interesting questions now it gets back to the murder and this is what we could end on
02:07:37.100 but you know up until now some of it's speculation some of it's what if
02:07:41.380 the the parts you should really understand that are proven is that there was research
02:07:47.720 using monkeys in major urban areas about treat whether or not cancer can be weaponized by a
02:07:56.480 virus and it would stand to reason that if you could cause cancer of the virus could you inoculate
02:08:01.600 against cancer of this virus and also if you ask any of these virologists now are you guys working
02:08:06.960 on a cure for cancer they'll probably say yes would they love to have a vaccine that prevents
02:08:13.680 cancer or types of cancer of course they would so it's not even like a staggering you know beyond
02:08:21.780 belief thing to guess that this is something they would be working on anyway yeah of course
02:08:25.620 um basically i'm going to end by quickly summarizing that he thinks that her murder
02:08:31.100 is suspicious uh one of her arms i think her left arm was completely disintegrated
02:08:36.140 um and they're saying well even if someone was stabbed and lit on fire
02:08:40.320 that wouldn't disintegrate the entire arm um also you know they would need to be burning for a long
02:08:47.180 long time the theory is that she was killed outside of apartment brought into her apartment
02:08:52.060 it was staged as a murder of some random crime of passion or through an intruder and then the
02:08:59.980 police kind of gave up on it that because also it is new orleans this shit has been known to happen
02:09:05.880 there he says here and i just wanted to highlight this part because it's so i don't know what to
02:09:10.860 make but he's like it was a cold winter night in january 1996 the voice was warm and familiar
02:09:16.620 It was a medical doctor who had quietly fed me information over the past several years.
02:09:21.960 I will call him Dr. X for reasons that will become obvious shortly.
02:09:27.480 With Oswald in the picture, the fact that Mary Sherman's murder happened underneath the noses of the Warren Commission investigators takes on a whole new light.
02:09:35.060 Had someone sabotage.
02:09:36.380 So what had happened was the theory is I'll just explain right now.
02:09:40.760 the theory was that to develop these vaccines they needed a linear particle accelerator which
02:09:46.660 sounds like science fiction but it's not it's just a piece of machinery you use in labs all the time
02:09:52.500 um and the um the belief is that mary sherman accidentally got killed with the linear particle
02:10:00.500 accelerator because accidents do happen with this the amount of electricity and heat that's
02:10:05.540 generated by this people have died in radiation or just getting struck by what is essentially
02:10:11.700 lightning um yeah i think one of the inventors of the technology ended up it's almost like dr
02:10:17.800 manhattan in watchman he was in the chamber and just got like vaporized there's a guy one guy
02:10:24.420 borken or whoever in the in the ussr when they were developing that and he they accidentally
02:10:28.760 turned it on when it was pointed at the back of his head and it like he lost his hearing and it
02:10:33.200 fucked with his brain, but he actually survived. Like, it's bad, but it's not gonna, I don't know.
02:10:37.740 It is bad, though. And so when he bent down to check the instruments, as he had done many times
02:10:43.720 before, Bugorski was instantly blinded when his head intercepted a particle beam, humming with
02:10:49.420 many trillions of protons moving at nearly 300 million meters per second. The subatomic particles,
02:10:56.180 each carrying 70 billion electron volts of energy, effortlessly passed through Bugorski's brain,
02:11:02.120 skin, and skull. According to a later report, he felt no pain.
02:11:10.880 Incredibly, the physicist wasn't instantly killed, as you may expect, but after he saw a thousand
02:11:16.900 suns, Ugorski knew he was in serious trouble. Anatoly calmly finished his work in the chamber,
02:11:23.200 logged the visit in a journal as usual, and then, without saying a word to anyone about the accident,
02:11:28.680 went home they were in a lab they had a linear particle accelerator which he tracked on they
02:11:35.120 would have had at the time there was one lab and she accidentally got fucking her arm vaporized
02:11:41.920 and then they kind of staged as a murder again that's we're getting into a bit of a you know
02:11:47.620 speculative that's a bit of a stretch but um again i haven't looked at the the death report
02:11:54.640 for mary sherman i don't know if her entire arm was in fact gone it might have just been badly
02:11:59.120 burned i don't know he could have misread it maybe he's gonna get too grandiose and bombastic
02:12:04.680 with the facts here however what he thinks happened was she was killed in like a secret
02:12:09.800 lab trying to develop a vaccine for all the secret cancer that everyone has and they had to cover it
02:12:16.500 up as just a random murder so that's what they think the the murder of mary sherman wasn't how
02:12:22.900 it connects to david ferry and how it connects you know in that sense to the jfk assassination
02:12:27.460 and all these like weirdos not weirdos you're not a weirdo hey communists but these people
02:12:33.680 were weirdos because they're the types who are going to fly down to cuba and just like take it
02:12:38.140 over to um it says the the ferry sherman underground medical laboratory may have started
02:12:45.640 with the noble patriotic mission of preventing an epidemic of cancer in america but once the
02:12:51.280 started once the power to move cancer from animal to animal was established once the ability to
02:12:56.980 change viruses genetically was demonstrated once the more virtual and viral strains were isolated
02:13:02.780 and once mary sherman died and once guy banister died then the laboratory the animals and the
02:13:08.080 viruses were left in the hands of david ferry he could have easily prevented the lab's resources
02:13:13.480 perverted the lab's resources into a biological weapon if he had wished to do so picking the most
02:13:18.800 virtual strains and delivering them to a target deep in the caribbean so it kind of ends with
02:13:24.300 this a theory that david ferry kind of being the last man standing took all this shit and like
02:13:29.920 waged a fucking chemical war in in the caribbean created aids in cuba personally basically with
02:13:37.760 grease paint eyebrows within his like sideways wig it says what is known about aids in the
02:13:44.340 caribbean is that hiv one case was reported very early in haiti in one particular case a french
02:13:49.960 engineer received a blood transfusion uh well this is pretty conclusive as hiv one existed in
02:13:56.700 the haitian blood supply around the mid-1970s uh aids was not reported in the u.s until 1981
02:14:02.780 further uh let's see here
02:14:06.900 yeah that's basically they said that uh maybe you know it was age was created here and then
02:14:14.240 deployed in haiti into the caribbean uh because of david ferry's private war on i guess the
02:14:22.780 caribbean i guess just because communism was there so and and i tell you what that is the
02:14:29.420 story i choose to go with it yeah i'm fine with that because it still gives us all the story that
02:14:36.200 aids was created by a gay man yeah it was created by a gay man for evil purposes
02:14:42.840 and deployed for evil purposes anyway that that's the end of that i know that was a bit longer than
02:14:49.580 i wanted to but the book once again is dr mary's monkey if you're into conspiracy theories if
02:14:56.220 you're into fuck new orleans history this is a good one to read it's a good book for new
02:15:02.860 new orleans history buffs yeah yeah if you want to learn about tulane university if you want to
02:15:08.580 learn about like the layouts of where these apartments were and their
02:15:12.300 proximity to the French quarter.
02:15:14.360 I mean,
02:15:14.800 you're going to love this.
02:15:16.000 There you go.
02:15:16.680 And how one apartment in new Orleans might've led to worldwide cancer and
02:15:23.720 AIDS.
02:15:24.260 I mean,
02:15:24.700 you got to give it a shot.
02:15:26.360 You can't beat that really.
02:15:27.700 Yeah.
02:15:28.200 Anyway,
02:15:28.640 I'm going to let you go.
02:15:29.520 This is a good one.
02:15:30.420 I'll talk to you later.
02:15:31.420 Yep.
02:15:31.760 Yeah.
02:15:31.900 For sure.
02:15:32.140 Man.
02:15:32.260 See you.
02:15:34.820 Hey baby,
02:15:35.500 I hear the blues are calling top salad and scratch.
02:15:38.580 and maybe i seem a bit confused yeah maybe but i got you peg
02:15:46.620 i'm here with uh an individual whose work i've been a great fan of for quite some time and who
02:15:54.100 was a contributor to the vanguards journal and produced something that i've been obsessed with
02:16:00.160 ever since i uh i worked with him uh to produce it um just some quick editing it was very good
02:16:06.720 right out of the box um his name is cooper he is from a channel with one of the best names
02:16:13.600 i've ever heard and it's one of those names where after i heard it i got mad with myself
02:16:18.220 honky night in canada you can find that on telegram you can also find cooper's byline
02:16:23.940 on the daily rake that's dailyrake.ca he's published several very very good articles on
02:16:30.460 there a few of which we're going to be talking about today but uh without further ado i just
02:16:34.860 want to say thank you so much for joining me today, Cooper. Yeah, thanks, Dimes. The pleasure
02:16:40.020 is all mine. You know, I've been an admirer of your work as well. Always good to hook up with
02:16:43.880 other Canadian content creators and nationalists. So thanks again. And I think to start, we can talk
02:16:49.880 about the article that you had submitted to the Vanguard's Journal. I believe the title was
02:16:56.580 Paving Over Popular Opinion. And it was all about a topic that I really haven't seen covered
02:17:04.300 very thoroughly anywhere else and what i like about your work and you can find a lot of this
02:17:09.780 work again on the daily rake is that you provide a lot of data you provide a lot of evidence and
02:17:14.380 sources to back up and that's why you know the article for a vanguard's journal was so well
02:17:20.520 sourced with public opinion polls and the entire thrust of the article was canada's approach to
02:17:28.460 immigration when put to the public when the public was asked their opinion about immigration from
02:17:35.760 various places they were always disproportionately vehemently against it and despite this it happened
02:17:42.560 anyway so the article was telling that story and uh i wonder if you'd like to maybe speak to that
02:17:48.260 article maybe what would inspire you to write it um and any other topics associated with that
02:17:54.280 Yeah, thanks. So I guess when you're talking about the research in the article, I think it's worth noting that actually when I submitted it to you, there's an entire appendix, which was just additional polling data up and above the period that I covered, which was roughly from 47 to 76 when we had a new Immigration Act under Trudeau Sr.
02:18:13.920 year. And it's very interesting because this data is out there. But when you look at other
02:18:19.540 nationalist works, like I guess Canada Indicay, for example, like the Shane spends a lot of time
02:18:24.760 doing actually kind of what you guys do on Blood Satellite, where you go through kind of the
02:18:29.060 philosophy behind multiculturalism and liberalism. And he does a good job breaking that down. And he
02:18:34.580 did include a few polls, but I kind of wanted to go further into what he had explored briefly in
02:18:41.000 Canada in decay. And that specifically is, you know, the who and the what. And now DeShane,
02:18:47.720 he referred extensively to a couple of books by a pro-immigration author named Frida Hawkins,
02:18:53.020 who had done all this deep dive work on, you know, different polls that were put to the public
02:18:58.460 and different immigration acts and went into the nitty gritty. She had two books. One was called
02:19:03.060 Critical Years in Immigration, Australia and Canada Compared. And then the other one was
02:19:07.780 simply titled Canada and Immigration. And so I relied extensively on Freda Hawkins' work. Actually,
02:19:13.640 interestingly enough, so did Kevin MacDonald in one of the appendices to the latest edition of
02:19:19.740 what's it called, Culture of Critique. So having read Deschene, having read that brief appendix in
02:19:27.220 Culture of Critique, I wanted to dive deeper into it. And I referred extensively to Odesi,
02:19:32.560 which is a database that is maintained by the Ontario Council of Libraries and I found a lot
02:19:39.040 more polling data than I had sourced in those other books and I guess you know there was a new
02:19:44.840 book that I hadn't seen referred to in these previous studies and it was gosh what is it
02:19:51.500 it's called the least possible fuss and scrutiny I think I can't quite see it my eyes aren't very
02:19:59.600 good at looking at my bookshelf here. But that book covered the period from Mackenzie King through
02:20:05.940 to Louis St. Laurent. So yeah, I mean, the impetus behind the thing, besides trying to expand on this
02:20:12.880 stuff that I had read, which was interesting to me, is basically giving Canadians some ammunition
02:20:17.700 to fight with, right? So like, white Canadians are told that Canada has always been a pluralist
02:20:23.260 society, especially in the years after the two world wars. And I mean, that's really BS.
02:20:31.280 You know, and when people are told that they get discouraged and they're like, well, basically,
02:20:35.240 this is a society that I've inherited, whether it's from the boomers or the silent generation
02:20:40.140 or however far back you want to go. But really, that's not the case. I mean, even extras weren't
02:20:44.100 really for this mass immigration stuff. And so when you're surrounded by brown people, you're
02:20:48.260 having a bad time. And then you're told, well, this is what your ancestors voted for. It's tough
02:20:52.820 for people and so that's why we kind of have to do the research and create different narratives
02:20:56.840 um like like are you familiar with uh jl granitstein's uh who killed canadian history
02:21:02.260 no no that title rings a bell though okay so he was like um he's a jewish guy and he was a graduate
02:21:09.800 of some military college and he did a few years in the caf but he wrote this polemic i think it
02:21:14.900 was initially published in 98 and then updated as recently as maybe 2006 or 2007 but his whole thing
02:21:20.960 was like the view of canadian history uh is first off like totally americanized in the sense that
02:21:25.920 we learn everything about canada through an american lens we actually know more about america
02:21:30.760 than we do uh canada so he's like you know isn't davy crockett an american uh wasn't ronald reagan
02:21:36.300 you know the prime minister like he throws out these kind of snarky comments in the first part
02:21:40.460 of the book but he makes a good point not only in that we don't really know about canada but what
02:21:45.760 we do know about Canada is basically this like little all this minutiae and it's all viewed
02:21:50.660 through like you know a feminist narrative or a some kind of an anti-colonial or anti-racist
02:21:56.660 narrative and he basically encourages us to get back to the grand narratives that we used to tell
02:22:01.540 about ourselves through historians like Peter C. Newman or earlier than that you could talk about
02:22:06.840 Arthur Lauer or Lauer I don't know how to pronounce the last name it's L-O-W-E-R and so reading that I
02:22:14.060 kind of was inspired to do a lot of the work here now again who killed canadian history is is a very
02:22:20.820 jewish book because he continually harps he makes this point and i don't know if he he's a retard
02:22:26.960 or i'm a retard but he keeps saying that um canadians don't know about hitler and we think
02:22:32.140 that hitler was a good guy and that the world war world war ii especially was not justified have you
02:22:37.460 ever heard someone say that like in school or whatever that would be amazing if we did i know
02:22:44.640 so it's he does like that's the funny thing right like you re-kill canadian history you're like okay
02:22:50.500 makes sense makes sense makes sense and he's like and no one knows about uh hitler and everyone
02:22:55.540 knows about mal but we don't know that germany was bad and we think that we shouldn't have been
02:22:59.440 in world war ii it's like literally the only people who are ever saying that were like french canadians
02:23:04.080 in like the 1930s yeah and this would have been originally published in 1998 so it's not like this
02:23:10.660 was published in like the 40s or something where it's like oh maybe it's not in the popular culture
02:23:16.280 yet i'm like no in 98 they were making a lot of movies about hitler it's actually it's funny
02:23:22.440 because in the latter stages of the book he makes the point so he took over um the running of some
02:23:28.900 kind of canadian war museum and they had one of hitler's cars like one of his fleets so you know
02:23:34.700 this actually i think i went to that museum i remember growing up and being in ottawa because
02:23:39.100 i used to live in ottawa and i remember going to a museum and seeing hitler's car and even then
02:23:44.540 thinking like that's an interesting thing for us just to have so he tried to sell it when he went
02:23:50.300 in there he was like i got tired of looking at this despicable symbol of evil and i knew i had
02:23:55.860 to put it up for sale and then all these people called me he has a funny phrase in it he says
02:24:00.680 they looked at my surname and they decide he's i think this is verbatim and decided i was jewish
02:24:06.220 well you are fucking jewish so he makes he's like oh yeah these people thought i was jewish and
02:24:11.440 they started saying that i was acting in the interest of jews it's like well are you not bro
02:24:15.960 like your name's literally gratitude like it's on your fucking wikipedia page bro i want to read
02:24:21.140 this book and it's going to be so hard for me to read this book knowing that because it's just
02:24:25.600 to take someone seriously and then for them to say such preposterous nonsense but i did remember
02:24:31.640 seeing that car um and it's a cool car it's like this big yeah you know you know like everyone
02:24:36.700 think of hitler's car that's the one that was there and you can actually walk up to it and
02:24:40.980 touch it and stuff um but they've completely redone most of those museums out of i live in
02:24:48.200 ontario and like i said ottawa is like the museum capital of canada um they completely redid it to
02:24:55.920 be almost exclusively aboriginal focused now so forget hitler's car you're not even going to get
02:25:02.120 like canadian stuff in there it's just like did you know that hey here's a snowshoe here's a
02:25:08.500 snowshoe that's 70 years old like i don't give a shit that's not real history to me
02:25:13.020 there was a with aboriginal history to put in there and you know what he does rightly make a
02:25:19.480 point about that but you know this is a funny thing like the interplay between um uh jews and
02:25:24.740 natives because like so many jews like especially like hymie rubenstein who's a retired professional
02:25:29.040 and barbara kate who you might know is a prolific uh nationalist or sorry uh prolific article or
02:25:35.360 a writer rather in the national post these jews have like hopped on the residential school thing
02:25:39.940 and they're like doing denialism or revisionism like whatever we want to call it because they're
02:25:44.220 like and explicitly because they're like this takes away from the holocaust like i wrote an
02:25:48.520 article about the interplay there it's so funny yeah i have that article that's so so just the
02:25:55.180 funniest thing and i'm sure you've already seen it but just for the audience so this is how far
02:25:59.020 they've gone so hymie rubenside he posted this article and he he had a picture of a pool in a
02:26:05.860 residential school and he was like they're really saying that this is a murder center they have a
02:26:10.640 big pool for all the kids to swim in they got a gymnasium i'm like bro really like you're literally
02:26:19.080 just gonna like use the auschwitz like argument of the olympic pool but like just gloss over it
02:26:24.760 in the holocaust just use it for native stuff like you have no self-awareness at all oh so they have
02:26:30.380 a room full of random shoes too yeah yeah dude okay yeah these moccasins are all the same size
02:26:38.780 what the hell um we're just gonna like get get in the weeds of holocaust stuff the rest of it
02:26:45.620 speaking of did you hear that uh david irving being dead or not dead or whatever that's like
02:26:50.660 the new thing today i had heard that he had died then i'd heard just like 10 minutes before we
02:26:56.680 started recording that his wife and again i can't prove any of this his wife said he's not dead
02:27:02.040 he's just too ill to continue and again i'm just i guess i'm waiting to hear what happened either
02:27:09.240 he's dead or he's near death from the sounds of both of which are unfortunate obviously but hey
02:27:14.180 listen so i was going to say when you said that um the canadian war museums or the museums generally
02:27:19.640 have been taken over by native stuff i thought you were going to say holocaust stuff it's like
02:27:24.320 dude did you hear they they have a new holocaust museum they're building in montreal and they use
02:27:29.800 41 and a half million dollars of of public funds it's so again we're so close to these issues it's
02:27:36.760 easy to get blinded to it it's very amusing that they just keep opening holocaust museums just
02:27:41.820 wherever yeah like who who's that like i'm asking rhetorical questions we know who it's for but it's
02:27:47.720 like we're supposed to get excited so we made another one in fucking boise made another one
02:27:53.940 like some fucking in none of it it's like does any is anyone think this is funny or weird or
02:28:01.140 we're just all used to it now right there was something where they were sending natives to
02:28:05.640 auschwitz like they had raised money for it i can't i i had posted about it on the channel
02:28:10.760 but yeah it was like some kid they're like yeah we had to raise money for three and a half years
02:28:15.840 you know it's like we had to use whitey's tax money to go see all the dead jews in europe like
02:28:21.080 If people want to get really depressed, they should just follow the money in Canada.
02:28:25.600 You, as a taxpayer, goes to the government, which then goes to natives, which then goes to Israel somehow.
02:28:35.080 Well, dude, they've sent, like, never mind, like, 25% of sitting MPs have been paid by CJ to go to Israel.
02:28:42.340 Like, I think Rabble wrote an article about that in the fall.
02:28:44.240 But, like, natives, too, like, they have tried so hard, and they've been doing a good job of getting the native Israel, like, solidarity.
02:28:50.560 under control like maybe not with the natives on the ground like you know especially the
02:28:54.700 university students and stuff but certainly with native leadership and they've been paying them
02:28:58.540 off for a long time so i would love to hear these meetings just to be a fly on the wall of getting
02:29:03.980 into like a genocide fight between like a rabbi and a chief and you know i just want to know the
02:29:10.420 language they use i have a suspicion i know how to use but because jews believe that theirs should
02:29:16.100 be the only one but they're talking to people where that's their meal ticket so i don't know
02:29:21.520 like i just want to see the meeting of those minds i don't i don't want to derail this and i do want
02:29:26.980 to follow up on that point but this is because i'm what we're like now like i don't know like
02:29:30.160 five and a half minutes away from the point this is i want to get back to what we're talking about
02:29:33.580 with the holocaust museum and like the war museum thing so here's an excerpt from um who killed
02:29:38.720 canadian history then the canadian war museum's troubles entered into the mix the idea of adding
02:29:43.660 a holocaust gallery to the museum's old building on sussex drive in ottawa stirred up a fear in the
02:29:48.840 mid-1990s it was not that the holocaust ought not to be presented angry veterans said but that the
02:29:54.300 canadian role in the world wars and post-1945 conflicts had to be adequately presented first
02:30:00.440 so they had this like decaying war museum it was like old and rotted they're like ah here's a bunch
02:30:06.700 of money let's uh maybe create holocaust that was like the whole thing but you know that parliament
02:30:12.640 they wanted to do and these veterans like yo what the fuck but you know it's funny because
02:30:15.780 you see we have all these stories like you know they have the holograms of the of the survivors
02:30:20.780 quote-unquote like so-called holocaust survivors it's like you know when i was a kid the veterans
02:30:26.620 would come to your school and they would say you know here's what it was like to fight in such and
02:30:30.700 such war and like yeah i mean a lot of those guys are around around the same age as the holocaust
02:30:35.240 survivors right like if we're talking about world war ii whatever it's like why aren't we making
02:30:38.700 holograms of our soldiers like why is the soldier visit replaced with the holocaust survivor visit
02:30:45.200 like the guys you know it's like it's like donald trump he's like you know not that i'm a trumpist
02:30:49.180 but he was saying um about john mccain like i like the guys who didn't get captured yeah well
02:30:54.380 it's also like anyone could go and find any 45 year old jew and they'll probably be a holocaust
02:31:00.340 survivor you know yeah it's like that old mike enoch bit like i i'm a holocaust survivor too
02:31:06.560 like i didn't die during the holocaust right pop of them so that i i do remember that bit that was
02:31:11.800 a good bit yeah and anyway not to again not to get derailed on it but i remember when we covered uh
02:31:17.940 night by elia weisel like that's just one of the popular books but like i don't know like even if
02:31:24.720 i was a i didn't have to read that in school but even if i was a teenager and i was reading that
02:31:29.380 book i'd say this sounds ridiculous there's ridiculous parts in that book there's straight
02:31:34.440 ridiculous parts it'll give you think about it for five minutes a lot of the claims and then you
02:31:40.240 like if you do what you're supposed to do which is look into it you're never supposed to forget
02:31:44.480 you're supposed to do the research if you do it you start uncovering all kinds of weird stuff like
02:31:48.380 here's a whole bunch of jews that provably made it up they admit they made it up because you know
02:31:53.600 that's that's the question like why would they make it up i don't know let's ask them let's ask
02:31:57.940 the people who admitted they made up their story of escaping three concentration camps and finding
02:32:05.240 their wife and it's like oh what did you do it's like well it's to serve jewish interests in so
02:32:10.300 many words it was real in my mind guy like that kind of thing yeah there's that but then there
02:32:16.440 was a couple there's another one that named escape suit but he was basically saying like
02:32:20.040 i just think it's important to i had to tell i had to make up a story about the holocaust
02:32:24.560 to keep the memory of the holocaust alive that's what he was saying and then you have to think well
02:32:30.500 why did you do that well for jewish interest that's what he like in if you were to boil it
02:32:34.620 down that's the underlying thing he's saying so it's like well they they had they told you why
02:32:39.440 they did it so maybe you got means motive and opportunity i don't know anyway we've been well
02:32:45.020 no one's been over this well i know but it's funny because like even jewish people say that
02:32:49.740 themselves right like i was when i was doing my article on boazian anthropology in canada
02:32:55.140 um i i neglected to quote kevin mcdonald in culture of critique and i instead went to um
02:33:01.980 write to david s kaufman's uh the jews indian jews possessed of j-e-w-s apostrophe and he said
02:33:07.920 the same thing that kevin mcdonald said he's like yeah like jews use um you know anti-racist
02:33:13.420 anthropology to basically create cover for themselves because if people weren't racist
02:33:17.280 towards natives and blacks and they wouldn't be racist towards jews etc right it's the same
02:33:21.100 argument it's not like people just pull that out of nowhere and it like makes sense it's obvious
02:33:25.720 it's the same thing like if you read ross lambertson's um repression and resistance or other
02:33:30.020 books about the uh jewish phase in the civil rights era i think there was another article
02:33:33.820 i said in a different uh thing which was like from the canadian ethnic journal published in 2002 but
02:33:39.100 they all these authors all these academics say the same thing it's like jews had to create cover for
02:33:42.720 themselves and you see them like whenever they can they hire uh you know uh non-jewish be like
02:33:48.980 goys or whatever to do the work for them so it's just like so obvious yeah and i feel like we've
02:33:55.880 wandered away from an earlier point we were going to make we got a bit derailed and yeah the native
02:34:01.680 thing and and okay we started with that it was the jews and the natives um because we could spend
02:34:06.840 some time on natives too but there was a couple of things maybe we can get into this you had
02:34:11.700 mentioned uh beforehand um of tying together george grant who was the writer of canada and
02:34:18.380 decay or lament for a nation rather lament for a nation um and you said tying together george
02:34:23.960 grant with zog and as it relates to canadian identity oh yeah yeah well this is and this is
02:34:29.880 kind of the thing that i was saying on the voicemail so i guess i'm just rehashing like the
02:34:33.580 the crimes chat uh voicemail but yeah i mean so like just to dive back a little bit so when i
02:34:39.800 was officially like initially let me just clarify the first crime chat we ever did on the show was
02:34:47.160 you so your voice sounds familiar to some people uh you were that very first crime chat um sorry to
02:34:53.620 just uh contextualize it for that continue yeah yeah yeah no problem and i guess i'll try to be
02:34:59.380 like quicker um than i was in that thing because it was like six minutes i didn't intend it to be
02:35:04.200 but yeah like when i was first looking into the jq like i came out of the trs sphere right and i
02:35:09.400 thought it was going to be as easy as like I literally did it's like I made a folder and it
02:35:12.940 was like Jews media Jews bank you know yeah and I was like all I got to do is go to the CIBC and
02:35:20.540 the RBC and the BMO website and I'll just point out that the president of all these um banks is
02:35:26.080 Jewish and just put that in the folder and on to the next one and and what I found is it's it's
02:35:30.220 more complicated than that um first because there aren't that many Jews in Canada um but but second
02:35:37.060 of all, because they're not necessarily as out in the open as you would see in the United States.
02:35:40.900 But George Grant was right when he said that we're a branch plant of America and that, you know,
02:35:46.420 America's rapacious capitalism would take over Canada and this and that. But when we look at
02:35:52.160 what America is, I mean, it's soft. And so I had cited various examples of Pierre Trudeau's
02:35:58.760 influences. When we talk about social conservatism, we can talk about Morgenthaler,
02:36:03.100 Henry S. Morgenthaler, who was a Polish Holocaust survivor who came to Canada and
02:36:06.800 basically waited on the Roe v. Wade decision before he started the abortion racket in Canada.
02:36:11.320 And that's what his daughter said explicitly. I had heard an interview on the Canadian Jewish
02:36:15.180 News in a podcast they did with his daughter, and she said that. I had talked about, and again,
02:36:20.540 these are all deeper topics we can get into, but just another example is Kalman Kaplansky,
02:36:25.940 who is a famous Jewish civil rights organizer in Canada. He got money from the American JLC,
02:36:32.060 It's the Jewish Labor Committee in New York. He got all his funding from from those guys as well as training.
02:36:37.560 Like he sent all of these people who were, you know, all these probably these pet boys over there to get trained.
02:36:42.560 So it really boils down to that. And that was the point that I was making.
02:36:46.640 And it's kind of how I've contextualized, you know, the takeover of Canada.
02:36:51.620 And, you know, that's not to say that everything is the Americans fault.
02:36:54.340 Like, obviously, there's the identity issue of Canada, like whether, you know, we're Anglo Franco colony or whether we're this or whether we're that,
02:37:01.120 whether we have a unique um identity at all or ever did there's the western question to answer
02:37:06.400 and all these are are you know basically lead us to be very vulnerable and of course i mean that's
02:37:12.100 something that johnny mcdonald had foreseen at the time of confederation and that's why he tried
02:37:16.200 to unify the country but you know maybe that's another question but yeah that's that's the
02:37:19.980 synthesis right yes we're a branch plant society america is zog therefore we are a branch plant of
02:37:25.440 off um because i don't think we're just restarting after spending literally 15 minutes trying to
02:37:33.720 figure out this fucking platform i think i can safely say that someone somewhere said shut it
02:37:40.740 down yeah i was gonna say how close we were getting wait and what were we even talking about
02:37:48.280 well um the part that i was saying that you probably didn't hear uh but i was just to
02:37:53.880 reiterate what we were talking about. It might sound like we're harping on this Zog or Jewish
02:38:00.640 angle too much to some people, but this is teeing up for a lot of the other stuff. One example I'd
02:38:06.140 given, just to quickly reiterate, it was we had done a live stream not long ago on what was known
02:38:13.220 as HateGate. And it was an investigation into the Canadian Anti-Hate Network. And I was given this
02:38:18.980 as an example of how in Canada, we tend to copy what they do in America. So it was just to give
02:38:28.300 a brief recap of that. Canada Anti-Hate Network started off as just this sort of Antifa leftist
02:38:33.940 economic organization started by, you know, activists, cross-punk types until Bernie Farber
02:38:41.720 descended on him. Bernie Farber previously had worked for the Canadian Jewish Congress, I believe,
02:38:47.900 And then he retired from that and said, I'm just going to buy up this advocacy organization. Then it became Fighting Anti-Semitism. But he modeled this after the SPLC in America, literally just saying, let's do the SPLC here. Let's do the ADL here. And so he just started it.
02:39:06.900 And that's just to say that Canada takes a lot of its cues from America.
02:39:12.940 Furthermore, I wanted to see if we could follow this thread to Pierre Trudeau.
02:39:20.220 And you have a very, very good article here on the Daily Rake about Pierre Trudeau.
02:39:25.580 Just got it right here. I believe it's published in 2022.
02:39:29.560 Pierre Trudeau and Friends, a Canadian heritage moment.
02:39:32.400 And you had even mentioned previously the connection between, as an example, the connection between Trudeau and Zog.
02:39:41.900 And for those who don't know, Zog means Zionist occupied government.
02:39:45.100 Some people, some Zoomers might not even know that.
02:39:47.920 But if you wanted to speak on Pierre Trudeau, I look at Pierre Trudeau as almost R. Churchill in the sense that our academia and our media seems to be in love with the idea of him.
02:40:01.040 When I was in high school, just for context, we were taught that Pierre Trudeau was almost this cool, maybe even like a rock star prime minister, because he had a slutty wife. I don't know. But, you know, he stood up to Quebec, right? But I think once you scratch beneath the surface, like Churchill, you find a lot of rot there. So if you would like to speak a bit about Pierre Trudeau, I'd love to hear it.
02:40:25.040 Well, I think that, you know, everyone, and I might dispute this, but I think a lot of people on the right wing say that Pierre Trudeau kind of like, you know, was a revolutionary and he changed everything that happened in the country. And I would, you know, more or less agree with that. I think that we have criticisms of Dietrich and Baker, you know, Laurent and Mackenzie King to an extent as well.
02:40:44.680 But running with that, if we look at him, for example, as the architect of multiculturalism, and there's a very interesting book, it's 1968, and I can't remember the second part of the title, by Michael Temelini. And he specifically talks about the impetus for multiculturalism, and the fact that, Pierre, and I'll get back to your actual question, but I just wanted to-
02:41:06.260 No, no, no, take as much time as you want. It's good to cue this up.
02:41:09.480 Okay, so when we talk about multiculturalism, which was a policy announced officially by Pierre Trudeau in 1971, he referred to the Bicultural Commission's four volumes of findings after they had completed their work after a few years.
02:41:24.520 And he specifically said that in volume four of the Bicultural Commission's report, it talked about the need for Canada to be a multicultural society.
02:41:33.120 And Michael Temelini, in his book, points out that that's not really the case.
02:41:37.960 And there are other precursors for this, such as the Thinkers Conference, which was in 68 or 69, which was headed by Ukrainian Senator Paul Yuzek.
02:41:46.580 And basically, he makes the point that Pierre Trudeau was full of shit.
02:41:50.920 So when he said, oh, the Bicultural Commission found this, no, the Bicultural Commission found that there were other groups in Canada that deserved to be recognized, but Canada was still fundamentally a bicultural nation.
02:42:00.800 so if Pierre Trudeau is a revolutionary figure basically changed Canada because he wanted to
02:42:07.720 well why would that be and that's something that I couldn't really find now people had talked about
02:42:12.440 him being a communist and that's kind of true um but what I found is that it kind of ran deeper so
02:42:19.180 if you look at Pierre Trudeau's um childhood he was from what they called a mixed marriage in
02:42:24.400 Quebec because he had you know um Anglo dad uh Quebecois mom or maybe the other way around I
02:42:29.100 think i have it the right way though um but he was a quebecois nationalist and so he had actually
02:42:34.060 written a play as an example in high school called le dieu and it was making fun of specifically
02:42:39.580 quebecois of consumers who would buy from jews instead of buying from um francophones and so
02:42:46.780 in this play um there's a shop owner and he's a quebecois guy and it's actually it's pretty funny
02:42:53.460 so he can't he can't sell anything so his friend who's a successful business owner says you have
02:42:57.880 to change your business slogan. I think it's from something like, um, you know, help our own
02:43:01.980 as in buy from other Francophones to, uh, I have the cheapest prices and you have to install a
02:43:07.120 Coca-Cola fountain and you have to change your name, uh, change the name of the store to like
02:43:11.920 Goldstein's or Goldberg's fine goods or something. And he's like, basically you have to pretend to
02:43:16.160 be a Jew and act like a Jew because Quebecois, um, they only want to buy from Jews. That's just
02:43:20.300 the thing. Um, Pierre Trudeau also made a speech and participated in an antisemitic, I guess you
02:43:25.000 call it a demonstration. Others might call it a riot during his formative years. But that all
02:43:29.560 changed when he attended Harvard. So when he was attending Harvard, he, I can't remember. Now,
02:43:35.920 this is all from Citizen of the World, which is John English's first part of his two-part
02:43:42.420 biography of Trudeau. But anyway, so he goes to Harvard and he encounters Jewish intellectuals,
02:43:47.740 you know, people who have been kicked out of Europe. And this was, I think, slightly after
02:43:51.960 world war ii maybe this is like 46 and um he's he reads this book called behemoth which is written
02:43:58.540 by a jew and it's about how um national socialism was the worst thing ever hitler was the worst guy
02:44:04.140 ever um i don't know if they had talked about the holocaust at that time i think maybe that was
02:44:08.260 uh discovered shall we say later but anyway he he changed his mind because before this he was
02:44:14.040 totally apathetic about world war ii like many francophones did not want to participate in world
02:44:18.120 war one or world war ii there's a big backlash against the draft um they figured that it was
02:44:22.480 an anglo thing so they did not want to participate but he totally changed his tune
02:44:26.820 on the hitler thing then he goes to paris which is taken over by communists and he becomes
02:44:32.520 infatuated with um 40 and psychoanalysis and uh he he subjects himself to this you know this
02:44:39.700 gobbledygook or whatever and becomes totally convinced of it um and then the third and
02:44:45.120 probably the most important part of his post-secondary exploration here is when he
02:44:49.880 attended the London School of Economics and he was tutored by Harold Lasky, who was a Jewish
02:44:55.480 communist and an avowed Stalinist. He actually kind of had a falling out with the Labour Party
02:44:59.920 because he was so dedicated to cooperation with Stalin. And, you know, it was a distasteful thing
02:45:05.020 because at that time you would have entered kind of the Cold War era. So that is how an anti-Semitic
02:45:12.780 quebecois nationalists totally flipped the other way and i just thought that that was very interesting
02:45:17.180 but it doesn't really end there because if you look at the election of pierre trudeau um first
02:45:22.420 off he had um his campaign uh to be liberal leader was uh at least partly backed by jewish financiers
02:45:29.020 when he was elected that's where you really start to see the fruits of everything because
02:45:33.320 he had um the first jewish cabinet minister uh there were eight jewish mps like things in terms
02:45:38.380 of political representation for Jews that were totally unheard of in this era. And he continued
02:45:43.860 to be very friendly with Jews. He received a reward from the, was it the ADL? I want to say
02:45:50.440 it was the ADL. Maybe I misremembered that, but some prominent Jewish organization in Canada. It
02:45:55.160 was probably Benai Brith, actually, just to fact check myself. And there was this very interesting
02:46:01.000 comment that I found when I was reading these books. And again, this isn't all from John English's
02:46:05.780 book. There's also Harold Troper's The Defining Decade. And then there's two other books. There's
02:46:12.100 Search Out the Land and Seeking the Fabled City. And I can't remember who wrote these books,
02:46:16.280 but they all basically say the same thing, that Pierre Trudeau's legacy is very much intertwined
02:46:21.020 with the rise of Judaism in terms of political representation. And when you see with that,
02:46:27.540 the rise of what we might call pro-Jewish ideas, you know, then you start to maybe put the pieces
02:46:34.080 together. So I just thought that that was very interesting. And that's kind of the summary of
02:46:38.060 the article that I wrote. Would you say that Justin Trudeau is carried on that legacy or is
02:46:44.040 he a different beast entirely? You know what? That is a very interesting question. It's very
02:46:50.640 hard to do research on some of these figures. I would say that Trudeau, I mean, here's the problem,
02:46:54.860 right? Can we say that Trudeau is any more friendly to the Jewish lobby than any other
02:47:02.920 party, I would say you'd probably have a hard time doing that. I mean, especially, like, consider
02:47:07.800 Pierre Poliev, if we want to talk about representation. I mean, one of his deputy
02:47:11.060 leaders is Lanceman, right? And she's Jewish. So, I mean, that would be a tough sell. I don't
02:47:18.100 really, I can't tell you specifically. And like I say, because everyone is so philo-Semitic, I mean,
02:47:22.940 even Jagmeet Singh completely operates without regard for what his riding associations or his
02:47:29.160 individual NDP constituents think, because of course the average NDP voter is still very much
02:47:34.160 staunchly anti-Zionist, right? I mean, you saw, and again, not to derail, but you mean,
02:47:38.240 you saw the Green Party was destroyed by the inside, right? I don't know if you're familiar
02:47:43.100 with that all. No, no, I haven't followed the Green Party too much aside from a few headlines,
02:47:49.320 but if you could talk to that, I just wanted, just before I forget, I was going to say my take
02:47:54.380 on Trudeau was he almost seems like the product of this multicultural machine he is the modern
02:48:01.520 white man in the sense that like you had said he does not kowtow to Jews any more than anyone else
02:48:08.000 he will submit to whoever is in the room with him it seems whether they be Indian Chinese Jewish
02:48:15.000 whatever he seems like he's he's more interested in being submissive to anything which is what
02:48:21.780 you know that type of guy is designed to be you know he's just he's like uh he's playing dress up
02:48:28.380 you know we talked about trudeau all the fucking time but i look at him almost as like a broken
02:48:34.380 man like i look at him and i see like there's nothing in his eyes and there's his smile seems
02:48:40.200 pained and fake like you're you're like a construct almost anyway uh you can continue with the green
02:48:46.400 party thing oh well just wait so let me i mean we're just doing so many it's funny because i
02:48:51.260 was worried i was like i'm gonna have nothing to talk about we're gonna like run over everything
02:48:54.760 in 25 minutes and then we just keep doing the exact opposite but so before i talk about the
02:49:00.400 green party and maybe i'll forget about the green party after i've done making this point but um
02:49:04.680 when you talk about him being browbeaten in a room did you hear about that secret meeting that
02:49:08.700 he had with had with all these rabbis like two three weeks ago i didn't hear that one if you
02:49:13.800 could uh go into that i'd appreciate it so they were just basically pissed off about how um his
02:49:19.300 cabinet especially um uh joe melanie jolie the lovely melanie jolie my imaginary girlfriend
02:49:26.280 um she uh you know did i don't know okay again that's like a perfect like like like french girl
02:49:32.760 name by the way yeah dude she she's mad cute but dude she was they were pissed off because she
02:49:37.840 among other things but she had this comment when they were saying um in the initial days after
02:49:42.880 october 17th you're not talking about hamas enough you're not doing that she said i'm a very busy
02:49:47.700 lady that was her quote like i'm buying new shoes that's a daily rake reader right there it's like
02:49:58.580 i'm busy i got shit going on yeah so anyway so there was this um meeting with these rabbis and
02:50:07.500 the cjn did a write-up on it and they said well we can't discuss exactly what happened because it
02:50:12.620 was a closed door meeting but they interviewed a couple rabbis who were in the room and they had
02:50:16.600 the funniest comments we were going to cover it on the podcast like just do the audio because we
02:50:20.140 love doing cgn podcasts um but it was like there was one particular person who became very um
02:50:26.760 emotional about the whole situation so it's just like you know it evokes this thought of
02:50:30.980 trudeau's just there sitting in his chair with his hands tied behind his back and some jews like
02:50:35.280 you've got to do more you've got to kill all these arabs like what are you doing and you know i just
02:50:40.240 i don't know just the descriptive uh part of that podcast is pretty fucking funny and then of course
02:50:45.540 trudeau just be like yes i i hear you using that like soft but stern voice he does for everything
02:50:52.260 well there was this not agreeing at the same just saying nothing and that was what the guy
02:50:58.420 mentioned because there was a female rabbi oh wow and a male rabbi and the male was like you know i
02:51:04.180 gave him more respect because i went into that reading thinking he wasn't very intelligent but
02:51:08.120 the way he answered the questions he you know he was he was really skirting the line between
02:51:12.280 different uh talking points and i was like yeah so he's like oh my god this guy's using like
02:51:16.220 talmudic logic against me like you know this guy's worthy of my respect or something it's kind of the
02:51:20.920 way i and also someone like trudeau if i was reading this as a character from some show or
02:51:30.320 or a book even i would expect him to have some absolutely heinous proclivities behind the scene
02:51:36.100 like you see him publicly and it's just facade upon facade upon facade so you're like oh this
02:51:41.280 is a guy who likes getting his
02:51:43.280 balls ripped off and sewn back
02:51:45.260 on behind closed doors right like
02:51:47.140 something fucking despicable
02:51:49.300 like he might be evil right
02:51:51.280 because there's no way someone
02:51:52.960 can be this fake
02:51:54.820 but uh yeah anyway
02:51:56.840 we can we can go off on that for
02:51:59.160 fucking hours um but
02:52:01.160 yeah um I forget where we're going out
02:52:03.160 with that green party yeah
02:52:05.100 green party yes yes perfect okay
02:52:07.080 but but let me just let me just step in what
02:52:09.020 one thing I will say I respect the
02:52:10.940 trudeau would he beat the the heck out of patrick brazo i think that was that guy's name right he
02:52:15.220 was the conservative senator or like an mp or something i think he was like a a native guy or
02:52:20.620 so he was talking mad shit and trudeau was like all right let's get in the ring and he did end up
02:52:24.400 smacking the shit out of him and then i think shortly thereafter brazo was caught with like
02:52:28.060 cocaine in his desk or something yeah i remember everyone was passing around that photo of like
02:52:33.080 trudeau getting punched in the face and but if you actually look at that particular fight i'm like
02:52:37.960 yeah i think he fucking won that fight yeah he did i mean briseau is like i don't like two feet
02:52:42.960 shorter than him you know to briseau's credit but i mean you know at least again give the guy
02:52:47.880 points for that obviously not trying to that's an annoyingly cool thing to do just to introduce
02:52:53.440 boxing into politics why do you have to be the guy to do that i mean yeah he's like mussolini
02:52:59.680 like fencing the journalists you know what i mean it's like ah damn do you come on like you're
02:53:04.940 you're going to see polyev do that uh no i mean the guy literally talks like this i mean what do
02:53:11.580 you think he's done three and a half push-ups uh his entire life that's such a good impression it's
02:53:16.820 insane dude i i was like toying with like the the nick mullen like hillary clinton i just fell into
02:53:23.980 that i don't know do you do you listen yeah i know exactly the voice you're talking about yeah
02:53:30.920 yeah yeah because it's like not really like it at all and i was like oh that's so funny that i
02:53:35.040 just fell into it yeah and i was like oh shit yo i could do polyev hillary clint i'm chilling
02:53:40.700 and then i can get to the from that to polyev exactly bro yeah okay yeah we're really on the
02:53:47.340 same page here um oh yeah green party okay so everyone's probably aware that the last green
02:53:53.320 party leader i've with elizabeth may is like uh sharing it with like some mulatto right now i
02:53:58.000 think but before that there was like uh anime paul is what we called her i think her name was
02:54:02.000 like anime paul we call her anime i don't know just stupid joke but um so black so black black
02:54:08.220 jewish lady right um but her the real guy the story's old this time right the real guy behind
02:54:15.320 the scenes so noah zatzman who was a liberal party operative um was her deputy leader and so he
02:54:21.840 basically destroyed the green party from the inside and he actually bragged about it he called
02:54:25.780 up of all things to this um podcast it's based in uh alberta this libtard podcast i think it's
02:54:31.580 called the progress report and after the green party was completely destroyed he was like yeah
02:54:35.440 i want to grant you an interview what do you think about that just out of the blue and they're like
02:54:38.440 okay and he just spent like an hour or two just bragging about how anytime anyone is anti-semitic
02:54:43.420 they're gonna get their ass handed to him he his basic thing was he's like i would go into these
02:54:48.880 meetings with um green party mps and party organizers and they would talk to me about
02:54:53.060 israel and i would say what does that have to do with green energy and they were like well you know
02:54:58.120 that's a major part of our platform is anti-zionism or anti-colonialism in the levant and he's like no
02:55:03.120 we're not doing that anymore and you know um mps like dimitri lascarius for example and others you
02:55:08.200 know didn't want that they were like well this is a principal part of the green party platform and
02:55:12.180 has been for quite some time he said okay now i'm going to destroy you and he did exactly that
02:55:15.960 like the greece completely fell apart just because you know one uh jewish guy didn't uh didn't want
02:55:21.200 them to talk about israel so very funny how that goes yeah and again it's this is publicly available
02:55:27.500 stuff people i always want to just reiterate that i don't think we are unreasonable or obsessive
02:55:34.040 because that's what they would accuse you of being an obsessive while you're focusing on this one
02:55:37.840 thing i'm like that's a crazy fucking story it's crazy that that happened and you can i now that
02:55:43.780 you were saying i do remember hearing a clip from that podcast and i didn't remember until just now
02:55:49.000 I remember that guy bragging about it like yeah like but people avert their eyes because they're
02:55:56.060 afraid that if they start you know not to get up on tired points but noticing then you're grouped
02:56:01.960 in with the types of people who notice and that's I find more than anything why people don't talk
02:56:08.500 about this sort of thing is because they don't want to be corralled into this identity that they
02:56:14.400 think is gross it's not even stupid it's just i don't want to be one of those people i was talking
02:56:20.200 about this with um a friend of mine on telegram uh because we were talking about you know the
02:56:25.900 phenomena of conservatives saying i'm not racist but you know in regards to a lot of what we're
02:56:32.640 seeing in the news right now which is to say i'm not racist but i'm going to make a racist's point
02:56:38.700 for them um but they have an archetype in their minds we've got an avatar of who a racist is and
02:56:45.680 to them it's like someone who judges someone by the color of their skin that sounds ridiculous
02:56:50.260 that's ridiculous to think but they don't know that this entire time we've been judging them
02:56:55.480 by the content of their character too so you almost need to like re-explain that part of them
02:57:02.320 and guide them along it's like yeah it is silly just to judge someone by the color of their skin
02:57:08.560 it's just what that correlates to we're very scientific about it well okay so let's let's
02:57:14.680 talk about maybe a different color of skin or whatever so you wanted to talk about um that
02:57:19.880 article about what it was like canadian like political representatives reaching out to the
02:57:24.740 government of india and like teaching them about what democracy is or something yeah so i've got
02:57:29.020 an article here in front of me by the globe and mail speaking of justin trudeau um the title is
02:57:35.280 Canada holds workshops for Indian officials on rule of law amid Trudeau Modi spat. And for people
02:57:44.200 who don't have this in front of them, I'll just read a little bit here. As experts urge Canada to
02:57:49.240 ease the strain after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau accused India of helping kill a Canadian,
02:57:54.740 Ottawa is turning to the world of slideshows and flowcharts. I'm trying to figure out
02:58:00.680 when this was published i'm looking at an archive of it um canadian officials are offering their
02:58:07.140 indian counterparts workshops on the rule of law at least as canada sees it even as tensions over
02:58:11.940 chic separatism flare up so this is bound up in the sheiks or the actually they're called the six
02:58:18.600 the you know we used to call them seeks when i was a kid then they got mad and they said they
02:58:24.740 want to be called sick i'm like okay well you know i was doing you a favor um but yeah there's
02:58:31.860 and you could probably go off on this for a while about the um political capital held by the sick
02:58:38.200 group in canada and you know tied up to that is all the indian migration which is separate from
02:58:45.400 the sick community although they are connected but anyway just intro trying to uh what seems to
02:58:53.020 me address a racial problem without openly calling it racial and this is again published in the globe
02:58:59.120 and mail which is a periodical record up here in canada what what do you think about all that
02:59:04.420 i mean i just think it's so silly that this like de facto civil war or like sectarian conflict in
02:59:12.200 india has invaded canada and i think it's just so fucking typical um like with it with the seeks
02:59:19.160 right like they were holding referendums with it's like over a thousand people attending some
02:59:23.240 like whatever their temple is in surrey to vote on you know seek independence or some shit
02:59:29.220 that's like i don't care if like modi goes and blows up like whatever terrorists or anyone wants
02:59:33.320 to call them it's like why are these people here and i just you know here's the here's the thing
02:59:37.940 so listen i i like the shame and i generally like euro canadians so i'm not trying to like you know
02:59:43.740 crap on anyone here but euro canadians had a very well i'm not going to like be disparaging here but
02:59:49.840 they had a very interesting take on an article last year where they were saying even the indians
02:59:54.640 are pointing out how the indians are a problem and they're terrorists here but what they were
02:59:59.540 pointing to was like hindu nationalist news media in india calling the sikhs terrorists so they were
03:00:06.640 like okay if i'm going to be racist against indian people i have to use this proxy i have to let the
03:00:12.960 other indians who don't like this group of indians speak for me and then the anti-hate network had a
03:00:19.560 whole thing about well we have to support calistanis because these hindu nationalists
03:00:23.420 are fascists so you have you have like the left wing or the right wing using the talking points
03:00:29.720 of one indian group against another and again for the record we are we had ricardo de shane
03:00:36.480 dr de shane on the show uh quite a while ago great admirers of his work as i'm sure you are
03:00:43.180 as well and i even covered absolutely yes an article of his on our paywall show not long ago
03:00:48.320 um it was uh here an article in the uns review about how the problem with the west right now
03:00:56.380 is liberalism and then paul gottfried did his counter article i'll cover both of that um but
03:01:01.820 he was and i don't know who wrote the article maybe it was him but i'm cautious of falling
03:01:07.180 into the problem that conservatives have always fallen into which is all desperately trying to
03:01:14.440 find enemies or not enemies friends rather the opposite of enemies which is like look even the
03:01:19.040 indians like these indians i don't care to have them in the conversation at all i don't i don't
03:01:24.680 benefit at all by leveraging their legitimacy to my point which is i don't give a shit and we are
03:01:31.700 talking before um the episode started and just from a marketing perspective the value of appealing
03:01:38.560 to different audiences and i'm always trying to test this out can we make our ideas which could
03:01:44.500 be seen as maybe politically radical palatable to conservatives to gen x or conservatives or even
03:01:51.260 boomers it can be done and the one thing i always try and hit them with is they get lost in the
03:01:56.600 weeds on this topic and i just want to pause them and say do you really give a shit about this
03:02:02.600 wouldn't you rather not give a shit about this and you could say this even about gay stuff too
03:02:07.980 like every your average heterosexual man knows too much gay terminology just through
03:02:14.720 photosynthesizing it through the media wouldn't you rather not know that why do you think we
03:02:19.960 need to give a shit about this indian civil war the fact that we care about this should that is
03:02:26.680 the problem we should have no literacy the average canadian man euro canadian whatever
03:02:32.700 should have no literacy of that conflict whatsoever shouldn't be at your fucking front
03:02:38.300 door that is the problem wouldn't you rather live in a country where you don't need to know about
03:02:43.760 that and a lot of them would say yes especially boomers i find boomers are they've had such a
03:02:49.820 long time of speaking openly about this stuff that they don't just understand the internet but you
03:02:54.260 can get a lot of people to say like yeah this is i shouldn't know about this i shouldn't have
03:02:59.680 any an encyclopedic knowledge i shouldn't know what the fuck a sick is they're a minority of a
03:03:04.980 minority right yeah anyway that i think um i don't know if you saw this as speaking of pandering so
03:03:11.700 pauliev right so when pauliev was talking about uh well we have to deal with our repeat violent
03:03:16.900 offenders and we need to tighten bail restrictions and you know reporters were asking him well the
03:03:22.460 whole point of you know some of these uh these laws on the books and specifically racial so that
03:03:28.400 is to say we want to stop the quote-unquote over-representation of natives and blacks in
03:03:32.840 prison populations so if you're toughening up of sentencing regulations and bail restriction
03:03:38.360 options um would affect disproportionately these racial groups would you then consider you know
03:03:44.280 changing your mind on the issue and he basically sidestepped the question but you know what he did
03:03:47.880 do is he said that we have to tighten up laws and extortion that's what he said i think it was just
03:03:54.240 a day or two ago i was reading this in the press and that is in response and i don't know how
03:03:59.100 familiar you are with this because it's a problem of course in brampton but um in surrey and in
03:04:04.400 edmonton but there's these extortion rings that are picking up steam heavily that are indians and
03:04:09.520 they're extorting other indians so they're like oh no i mainly focused on china up until now and
03:04:15.900 this whole indian uh vector and this this entire conflict i'm just getting into right now but i'd
03:04:22.200 love to hear a bit about that if you could so they were sending uh letters to these business owners
03:04:28.320 asking for like two million dollars on average and when they weren't giving them they were shooting
03:04:32.980 up uh these people's houses and they were um you know burning uh like like home builders were having
03:04:38.740 their homes under construction burnt down people are having their houses shot up or whatever
03:04:42.580 um i'm trying to okay so i'm basically reading this off of a like i don't want to play the video
03:04:47.920 or whatever so i'm going to try to just read this so here's here's an example read carefully do not
03:04:53.580 think this is fake letter jai si ram jai si ram jai si ram we are indian gang member we want to
03:04:59.760 our share from your businesses like protection money as you seen on news on november this month
03:05:06.600 two shotting on the houses they were targeted and etc etc so it's just like yeah i've never
03:05:12.560 in my life had to tangle with uh an indian gang and you know throughout my early years you know
03:05:20.880 we've been involved in various capacities with that sort of thing but it's impossible for me
03:05:27.500 to take an indian gang seriously they just don't seem scary triads can seem threatening but and
03:05:35.100 Maybe that's my, I'm talking out of turn here, but I'm like, if I got a threatening letter from an Indian, like I don't, I would throw it in the fucking trash.
03:05:45.040 Right.
03:05:45.280 Like I'm not, I'm not scared of them.
03:05:47.900 I don't know.
03:05:49.100 I don't think anyone is like, put them up against a bunch of crips.
03:05:52.820 I'm like, it's, it's no contest even anyway.
03:05:55.660 Continue.
03:05:56.620 Well, I mean, you're poly of is the same goofball who is like holding press conferences in the backyards of Indians or whatever, not so long ago.
03:06:04.300 so like that again that's this is what he's catering to is when he says he's toughening up
03:06:08.660 on extortion laws he's specifically talking about laws that are going to stop these indian gangs
03:06:12.440 from targeting other indians so i mean of course it has to be uh you know something that affects
03:06:16.800 the brown people but yeah i mean yeah i don't think they're very threatening at all until you
03:06:20.120 probably see 10 of them coming at you i saw this other video was an ontario mall where it was like
03:06:24.620 20 indian guys like just you know doing like the kicking a guy when he's down like you know the
03:06:29.420 kick where they basically miss and they're kicking the guy with their toe and like hurting their foot
03:06:32.940 or whatever but it was like a mob attacking two they looked like blacks or natives or maybe they
03:06:37.200 were i don't know half and half but they were like a red and then and then the rcmp came in
03:06:41.340 they're like we don't know who beat them up we have no idea no no no and it was it was just very
03:06:45.220 funny it's like what the hell is this i love the idea that indians can't stomp someone out properly
03:06:49.980 they just yeah it's just they were wearing like their sandals they're wearing like adidas slides
03:06:56.660 bro it's just like yeah like hurting probably their own foot more than they were hurting the
03:07:00.420 heads of these dumb asses who are trying to i don't know probably yeah you'll have bluetooth
03:07:04.700 headsets on too and they keep dropping them and picking them up oh dude that shit is i literally
03:07:10.940 i had to find something and i'm not you know it's something maybe not that common but i was going to
03:07:17.640 grocery stores and and whatever and i i went to a gas station to try to find it and this it's dick
03:07:23.560 pills it's dick pills no just kidding just kidding but um my bluetooth subscription ran out but um
03:07:29.280 i had to go get some dick smallening pills because it's too big that's right yeah and that's why
03:07:36.520 this indian guy was mad at me for even asking for that that's why he didn't talk to me but he was
03:07:40.600 like he was like literally this all we have this all we have i'm like do you understand like what
03:07:45.540 i'm asking for and he was just like this all we have we have no this all we have and i was like
03:07:50.100 giving you fentanyl i'm like i don't want this yeah i have to get ready for dimes chat man i
03:07:58.180 need the meth bro i need that blue crystal baby i gotta be really up my nose it can't be fenty
03:08:04.000 um man we could get off on the weeds and indians too but that that's such a different front that i
03:08:11.400 think i am shocked not shocked but i'm impressed about the openness with which your average canadian
03:08:20.880 is willing to speak on the problem of Indian mass migration.
03:08:26.440 I don't, maybe it's just the fact that it's so sudden
03:08:29.140 and maybe the fact that it can be tied so neatly up
03:08:32.780 with the real estate crisis.
03:08:35.100 But I don't know, like I'm seeing talk of actual deportations
03:08:40.440 in a country where you would never have heard of that before.
03:08:45.360 And I do wonder if, you know, what's interesting about Canada
03:08:49.380 And a through line you see with a lot of your articles and other articles is that Canada historically seems to have always been just a hub for various other international forces.
03:09:00.480 We've covered the Chinese incursion very, very detailed, and we're getting to the Indian stuff now.
03:09:06.680 But it always seems that Canada, Toronto specifically, was always set up as almost from the beginning as a financial hub, perhaps lacking in some of the culture and history that New York had.
03:09:21.460 But it always just seemed that we were just a destination for people to try out these migration experiments.
03:09:28.140 Does that sound like a fair assessment? Because this ties into, I think, the larger discussion that we and others want to have, which is how can we reinterpret Canadian history? How can we find or reclaim some fundamental Canadian Euro identity?
03:09:47.000 I think Ricardo Duchesne does a very good job of this, and he's trying out the Euro-Canadian thing.
03:09:52.120 I like that well enough, but you had also talked about red Toryism and other things, and maybe we can get into that, about the history of Canada and what—we are different from America.
03:10:04.860 What can we do with this problem of Canadian identity?
03:10:09.740 Can we talk about Indians for like two more minutes, though?
03:10:12.280 Yes, we can. Absolutely.
03:10:13.340 because it this is uh just a total um this really uh was it was a crazy moment when i was listening
03:10:21.220 a few episodes ago to blood satellite and you guys uh were talking about going to toronto for
03:10:25.820 the first time in quite some years and you both said that there there's always been like different
03:10:30.720 sections of toronto but i think you said the indians are literally everywhere now yeah it and
03:10:36.300 also like i went on a vacation recently with my wife went to like a nature preserve area and um
03:10:43.220 you just see the indian guys on the phone because they're always on the phone with their aunts
03:10:47.820 they're always on the phone with like some like an aunt who's also their age somehow and it's just
03:10:54.600 just updating with what we're doing and that because they're on their phone facetiming or
03:10:58.800 whatever they're always walking into you so like this is the most obstructive type of person i
03:11:04.040 think i've ever encountered do you think that the whole like you know the native like oh my auntie's
03:11:09.940 looking pretty good today is like with the other indians too that's why they're always on the phone
03:11:15.560 with their aunts like the bob and vagine and my auntie's looking deadly and she's got a few drinks
03:11:19.800 like is that some kind of like crossover between the cultures i wouldn't be surprised because i
03:11:25.160 had um i made a comment at one point that i don't think the average white canadian is really prepared
03:11:31.840 to unravel this thing called Indian identity
03:11:35.680 because there's a lot of,
03:11:36.720 like just the caste system alone
03:11:38.720 and how these kinship networks fit together.
03:11:41.180 Like we kind of got our heads wrapped around Muslims.
03:11:44.160 It took a long time for us to really get them.
03:11:48.000 But I think we do.
03:11:49.360 But we got to start again with Indians
03:11:51.020 and people like, oh, they're kind of like us.
03:11:53.040 They are not.
03:11:53.720 They're so, and the example I'd given on the show
03:11:56.840 was that Ramaswamy contender for the presidency
03:12:01.320 you see these indian guys show up and they're the most conservative nigh white nationalist people
03:12:09.200 you've ever met like they're the ones openly talking about white replacement i'm looking at
03:12:13.160 that and all the conservatives and they're on the far right are very excited like but no no there's
03:12:17.360 there's some game being played here that you are not equipped for just yet this is a very indian
03:12:25.300 strategy where they appeal to the most extreme stuff that you like and then you turn around and
03:12:31.040 it's all indians everywhere now but i'm like like we're not prepared for someone who lies
03:12:36.720 so snakely to us you know what i mean we're not we're not prepared for like their interconnected
03:12:44.600 kinship networks and how that layers into the caste system like it's a completely different
03:12:49.180 type of mind that i think a lot of white westerners are ill prepared to tangle with
03:12:55.620 because and we've seen how that runs rampant in their organizations and their corporations here
03:13:00.340 in canada and i'm like well that's going to hit the government too and you think it won't get as
03:13:04.860 bad as it could be but it's going to like don't don't fall in love with these motherfuckers who
03:13:10.780 are saying all the right things anyway that's i don't want to get off too much on that but
03:13:15.100 what are your thoughts on that well well i mean but how many i mean you talk about it being an
03:13:19.900 often treachery and i again i don't necessarily disagree but how many of these guys legitimately
03:13:23.980 think that they're either white because the word arian has been like tossed around you know i'm
03:13:29.220 saying that's a good point i i do wonder i think contextually they would be like oh i'm like the
03:13:35.720 whitest of i'm the whitest caste you know i'm not like the untouchables i'm not like these
03:13:41.760 underclass indians and i do you know even on our side we throw around the term indo-european a lot
03:13:48.380 so i do think that they would probably say oh look we're not like these africans we're not like
03:13:54.840 Muslims and they might very well believe that especially if they're like oh we're not the
03:13:58.960 Pakistanis those are you know subhuman goat herder terrorists but you know I do think that they
03:14:07.100 like every group like every ethnicity or every race writ large it's like they will they will
03:14:13.780 prioritize their own people just like Jews the only people who don't are white people and I
03:14:19.380 actually i look at that completely like with cold calculus i you don't need to necessarily even hate
03:14:26.300 them for it but it's like that's what they do you can expect them to do that i can expect with 100
03:14:32.200 accuracy based on my lived experience that if you let an indian guy get in control he will staff it
03:14:39.140 with his people because he deep down will have an affinity for them over you it's the most predictable
03:14:45.760 thing in the world. Same thing with Jews. I can expect a Jew to behave in Jewish interests
03:14:50.600 100% of the time. And that shouldn't sound insane to people. And if you go into the world with that
03:14:58.620 assumption, you will always be proven right. Now, what does that mean? Does that mean you need to
03:15:01.980 hate them? Well, it depends on the situation. But you can look at this amorally and just be like,
03:15:06.420 well, that's what everyone does. We can do the same thing and not feel that we're being unfair
03:15:12.180 for doing that. The problem is that the operating system that governs white people in the West is
03:15:19.900 really disjointed right now. And you've got maybe even 40% of white people who seem like they're
03:15:27.160 committed to their own genocide. That's a historically unprecedented situation. I don't
03:15:32.680 know. That's a whole other conversation entirely. But we're trying to figure out how to sell
03:15:39.780 survival to uh a surprisingly large percentage of the population anyway well i was gonna like
03:15:49.640 go off on indians again but maybe maybe yeah maybe you're right we should move on again
03:15:53.500 this is this how it happens you get one thing and it takes over the whole thing
03:15:58.100 yeah dude like i'm like again i was like there's not gonna be enough content it's like no i can
03:16:02.820 i can do this forever man but toronto's bad for that toronto's but i i'd have friends in
03:16:09.620 vancouver i don't know if it's hit calgary yet the east coast seems to be a dark zone i don't know
03:16:15.700 what's going on over there right now but i'd like i want to travel the east coast sometime this year
03:16:20.500 if i can but other than that um yeah every small towns you go there it's the same thing and you
03:16:26.600 know people are noticing and but they don't know what they can say about it yet yeah i mean it's
03:16:34.380 just it is funny that that's basically you know this is supposed to be the type of people who are
03:16:40.000 going to integrate um well you know a lot of them they've been involved in the anglosphere or the
03:16:44.540 commonwealth for uh you know a couple generations or whatever um they are wealthy they are you know
03:16:52.440 they love being students and working hard and they're involved in real estate and finance like
03:16:57.640 these are the guys who are supposed to be the good guys and then people run into a cohort of them and
03:17:01.200 they're like wow this sucks like whether it's them like setting fire to fields when they light
03:17:05.500 their fireworks indiscriminately during divali or whatever other holiday or whether they're
03:17:09.880 crowding a bus and they just all stink or they're like you know taking pictures of white women
03:17:14.620 not very discreetly like in in the gym or or at the beach or whatever it's like yeah it's not like
03:17:20.500 i always thought it was gonna be blacks or natives like just committing like inordinate
03:17:23.400 amount of crimes and hurting people but it just turns out it's just the indians are more of them
03:17:27.540 i'll tell you this indians will make every white person a white supremacist look at all the stuff
03:17:33.760 they do and say like your stuff all of your stuff sucks every because i'm i'm a very you know i can
03:17:40.040 be sometimes a cosmopolitan guy i'm like i have that anglo blood in me where i'm like i want to go
03:17:48.220 into other cultures and see what's going on i don't need to love it but oh look what are the
03:17:53.080 japanese up to everything i've experienced from india sucks i don't like it indian food is a total
03:18:00.520 meme food it sucks all their all their festivals are awful their gods look like shit their clothes
03:18:09.620 are retarded everything's done they look like garbage they're they don't have a single good
03:18:16.260 haircut you know i mean they don't make anything what's what's your favorite thing an indian person
03:18:22.320 has made think of one thing think either in a factory or an artist what's your favorite indian
03:18:28.500 musician what's your favorite indian game designer what's your name a fucking thing is there a single
03:18:34.320 indian that's done a good job at it no everything they do just fucking sucks i could find a thing
03:18:40.140 i could find a lot of stuff like about mexican culture the the way they're obsessed with spooky
03:18:44.800 shit i'm a white guy i like spooky shit i like skeletons i like fucking talking to dead people
03:18:50.180 mexicans are all about that good for you pyramids gotta love pyramids great not a single thing in
03:18:57.520 india if i ever fucking liked i could go there right now and have the worst time of my life
03:19:02.500 i like uh have you ever listened to like cartel music i really like that stuff narco corritos
03:19:08.920 like the yeah that's right dude that's right like not like el commander but like the real
03:19:14.500 hard shit like the real like guys you're gonna get shot up at the concert type stuff like that
03:19:18.840 stuff goes hard man i'm not trying to be put on any sort of list here and i we are anti cartel
03:19:25.280 violence all i'm saying is some of the cartels have a couple good ideas someone i hear about oh
03:19:31.420 they they invented their own a new type of submarine that's really fucking cool what's
03:19:37.200 that yeah so this is i first i thought it was like an urban legend but you read about these
03:19:42.660 cartels it might have been the zetas but they were trying to get the drugs from the border towns
03:19:48.360 into i think like miami or whatever the ports were and they they because what they would do is
03:19:53.940 they would kidnap scientists and they built their own telecommunications network in the sense that
03:19:59.160 they literally went and built the fucking cell towers and only their cell phones workforce they
03:20:04.300 have they made telecom companies but then they invented this sort of like one or two person
03:20:09.480 submarine so they could just bring keys of cocaine in and it was just like this little thing that
03:20:15.340 could not show up on radar and then they know it because they found one by you know some boat saw
03:20:21.300 it but uh yeah they're just developing cutting edge technology which is like i read that as just
03:20:28.480 a nerd i'm like that's cool i'm like i what man what if we made our own telecom network how many
03:20:33.780 can we kidnap two scientists we got a couple of telecom guys
03:20:38.320 uh okay well we were going to talk about canadian identity and like anglo stuff yeah i went i i set
03:20:49.520 that all up and i forget how i said yeah i guess the idea was you had a one of your articles
03:20:54.580 was uh very interesting about um i think the question was can we revert to british canadianism
03:21:02.060 or red Toryism, and you mentioned Diefenbaker, and, you know, just this idea of, you know,
03:21:08.700 Canada, historically, it seems to have always been almost experimental testing ground for
03:21:14.400 different groups, and even our main cities, Toronto being a primary example, always seem
03:21:21.040 to be just hubs for other international interests, and so to claim a Canadian identity, we almost
03:21:28.200 need to rediscover it or fashion a new one and i just wanted to hear you had a note in one of your
03:21:34.980 articles about can we revert to british canadianism or red toryism um and if you wanted to maybe talk
03:21:42.100 about that i believe i believe the article was uh refuting reform was yeah i think i i think i
03:21:49.520 touched on that concept in a few articles and it's something like i don't want to like disabuse
03:21:53.260 people of their identity or whatever or like be like a killjoy or whatever but it's just something
03:21:57.080 that i thought about a lot like i think that you know george grant his idea of socialism and red
03:22:02.260 tourism in terms of being like skeptical of capitalism and more like involved with state or
03:22:07.380 like a a federal way of setting things up is like interesting i think that the problem is though
03:22:12.520 when people see that as like the end of things so like for example there's a couple of telegram
03:22:16.920 channels that have popped up which i think are really cool and they talk about canadian history
03:22:20.260 but a lot of them seem to be interested in like glorifying uh biefenbaker specifically and because
03:22:26.180 of his defense of the Red Ensign. And there was an article in the Dorchester Review where a guy
03:22:31.580 named Graham Gerrard was reviewing a book by John Ibbotson, where Ibbotson, his whole thing was
03:22:37.020 Diefenbaker, you know, wasn't really a conservative. He was actually a limpard like
03:22:42.340 Pearson. And Graham Gerrard took exception to this. But when you look at Diefenbaker,
03:22:47.400 it all kind of rings true because, you know, Diefenbaker, when he had the Bill of Rights in
03:22:52.560 1960, for example, that was mainly a response to the Gazenko affair, which had taken place,
03:22:58.820 I believe, around 48. And if people aren't familiar with the Gazenko affair, basically,
03:23:02.740 there was this defector, the Soviet defector, Igor Gazenko, and he had ratted on all of these
03:23:06.960 people who were trying to sell state secrets to the Soviets and, you know, were basically
03:23:11.940 traitors to counter or whatever. It was like our McCarthy trials. And, you know, surprisingly
03:23:16.040 enough, I think of 16 people charged, I think six were Jewish and two were married to Jews.
03:23:21.640 But again, I mean, I won't harp on that.
03:23:24.260 But, you know, he was like, well, this is a violation of people's rights.
03:23:27.020 And that's why we need a bill of rights.
03:23:28.320 And oftentimes when he was an MP before he became prime minister, when people were being
03:23:32.280 racist in parliament with regards to immigration issues, he was like, well, no, you can't do
03:23:36.060 that.
03:23:36.780 You know, we have to let everyone in.
03:23:38.120 Everyone can be a British Canadian, which is so silly, right?
03:23:41.280 Because people are like, well, he was defending British identity.
03:23:43.200 Well, he wasn't defending British people because like it or not, a lot of Diefenbaker's ideas
03:23:48.840 were developed in his youth because you know unfortunately he did face racism being an ethnic
03:23:53.700 german and he saw ukrainians and other ethnic minorities white ethnic minorities on the prairies
03:23:57.540 in saskatchewan experience racism during the interwar years um and again that you know that
03:24:02.680 shaped his understanding of things so he was really an anti-racist to his core he wanted to
03:24:06.020 eliminate the uh the race question off the census so we we shouldn't defend him like some kind of a
03:24:10.500 racial nationalist that's that's the one thing i have a problem with yeah no that makes a lot of
03:24:14.980 sense um yeah so the red toryism for people who might not be aware i remember my grandfather who
03:24:21.840 had passed away a few years ago he described himself as politically a red tory and so i think
03:24:29.320 when he meant it he would say i'm socially liberal but fiscally conservative and that's something you
03:24:36.380 would hear from a lot of conservatives in Canada maybe not currently but my feeling was it was you
03:24:43.720 know we're we're okay with all of the liberal social concepts we just want to rein in spending
03:24:49.580 a little bit and that's what that's my understanding what red toryism was um but you do see a movement
03:24:57.080 emerging in online spaces especially with younger people um called the red ensign movement
03:25:02.940 and my first encounter with that was you probably remember faith goldie don't you sure yeah i've
03:25:11.060 never heard an hour was the thing that she was always like yeah anyway yeah yeah well that's it
03:25:14.940 and she was always like oh for for god queen and country so there was this movement and i don't
03:25:20.760 know if it has much steam anymore but i still see these people you know knocking around on twitter
03:25:25.420 where it's like you know our identity as canadians is going to be very closely tied to britain um and
03:25:32.660 i do understand the inclination to want to do that because you know canadian canadian identity i don't
03:25:38.380 can be removed from british history in the sense and that's unless you're quebecois but but then
03:25:45.320 maybe maybe canadian dandy is always having those two things in proximity you know what i mean but
03:25:49.880 i don't know if running full steam towards britishness is really a solution for the average
03:25:57.340 canadian over here because i think even british people probably struggle with that you know i
03:26:03.280 I mean, so what are your feelings about that?
03:26:05.300 What's your take on sort of the Red Ensign sort of movement?
03:26:10.820 I mean, again, to me, it's mostly just a symbolic thing, right?
03:26:14.200 So I get that people are, you know, they want to go back to something else.
03:26:20.120 But again, I mean, just because that movement, the end of that movement was Diefenbaker, I think that it's perhaps fruitless.
03:26:25.120 And again, I mean, isn't is the prime minister of Britain a brown guy or is it still a white guy?
03:26:29.800 I can't even remember.
03:26:30.700 Well, exactly.
03:26:31.900 I'm pretty.
03:26:33.000 like what is that what you want yeah i said well what about like what what about the british
03:26:39.420 identity currently impassions you you know like what what is it is it an older britain and i think
03:26:45.440 that's what people are responding it's like oh and britain from a hundred years ago which might
03:26:51.900 as well be lord of the rings to a lot of these people so maybe lord of the rings is your identity
03:26:55.960 you want just a lush countryside with people smoking long pipes you know um but they're
03:27:02.620 looking for something to like emotionally anchor themselves to an identity and i think that's the
03:27:08.980 project that we're engaged in right now which is like how can we create something that fully
03:27:14.640 not fully but at least substantially disconnects us from the american identity because you had
03:27:21.760 mentioned at the top about how obsessed canadian media is with um with american media and i remember
03:27:28.080 like when trump was president you could not open a canadian newspaper where half of it wasn't about
03:27:35.860 trump this is the american president like we we our news wasn't reporting on canadian news it
03:27:42.360 seemed like for four years so it's like we it seems that we've um at least politically just
03:27:49.980 resigned ourselves to be a satellite state of america so that's another front that we're trying
03:27:56.160 to compete on like how can we just even separate ourselves economically i don't even know if we can
03:28:01.100 you know there's actually sorry continue i cut you off there oh no go ahead go ahead please
03:28:06.180 i was gonna say i some people don't like when i bring this guy up but peter ziham
03:28:10.760 he he proposed a possibility for canada in the future especially if any um resource crisis
03:28:19.120 occurs let's say it's water let's say it's electricity let's say it's anything he points
03:28:23.940 out i believe correctly that each province in canada has a stronger trade relationship with
03:28:29.540 america to itself than it does laterally between each other he said that if there was any system
03:28:36.160 shock that really fractured relationships in canada it might very well be more advantageous
03:28:42.280 for each province to almost separate from canada and become a trade partner individually with
03:28:48.540 america and you could even play that out in your mind what would that look like well christ alberta
03:28:54.880 would probably be first ontario i think would try and break out on its own but bc bc would probably
03:29:02.980 have the hardest time because i think it's half owned by china and america america at least has
03:29:09.760 the good sense to think that's a problem um but you might very well see saskatchewan broker a deal
03:29:15.700 Quebec will probably try and, you know, just achieve sovereignty that way.
03:29:19.300 The East Coast is, you know, fuck, who wants to take it?
03:29:23.140 You know, you know what I mean?
03:29:23.780 Just based on land.
03:29:24.920 So you could actually see the fracturing of Canada based on purely economic or trade relationships.
03:29:31.440 But that's just one possible scenario.
03:29:35.260 So like George Grant ultimately was right then.
03:29:37.500 And like it's just totally done for, at least in its current state.
03:29:40.940 Yeah.
03:29:41.500 And I guess that's how we circle back.
03:29:43.260 is there a can there be a canadian identity or is it just the identity of the that's the colonial
03:29:50.940 descendants of britain and then the colonial descendants of the french and then just a
03:29:56.160 smattering of like ukrainians and you know is there can there be such a thing as a canadian
03:30:01.780 identity what do you think about that i mean you you know fortisax right have you run across
03:30:05.800 fortisax oh yeah yeah i'm a great advocate of his channel fortisax is typing so people check that
03:30:12.100 Yeah. So he had something where he screenshotted some retard on Twitter who was like, oh, yeah, buddy, we have a Canadian culture.
03:30:18.460 Gee whiz, it's Tim Hortons and it's playing hockey and it's this and that.
03:30:22.640 And Fortisax is like, you know, how about, again, I don't know, I'm not quoting it for a band, but he was like, how about the, you know,
03:30:27.780 the French guys who are doing like hauling their canoes over the ground and then going down the river or whatever.
03:30:33.740 How about the guys who settled the West? Like, you know, I mean, there are people that we can look to.
03:30:38.040 I mean, even if we look at the architect of this nation, like Johnny McDonald, he was totally against American cultural and economic imperialism to the point where he built a fucking railroad, a railway to connect the country.
03:30:48.100 Right. So we can talk about the fraction of Canada by province and territories into like economic states that trade with the United States.
03:30:54.960 And like that, that might be correct if something catastrophic were to happen, like you said.
03:30:59.600 But I mean, I that sucks. And I think that, you know, federalism is is important.
03:31:06.020 i don't have a problem with it i mean i know that a lot of people on the right wing um like let me
03:31:12.180 ask you this because maybe you're more plugged into this like they're the ensign guys but there's
03:31:16.400 also like the western separatist guys and like do they fight with each other or are they kind of on
03:31:22.080 the same page because it seems like there's a mishmash of that because it's like you had the
03:31:25.880 ensign what was his name and he's cool i like this guy but he was red ensign something what was his
03:31:29.980 name we might be thinking of the same guy if he's on twitter well he was on your podcast and i
03:31:35.940 thought he went by red ensign something i black was he black black horse if i black horse yeah
03:31:41.280 yeah yeah and he was was he talking about the ends okay maybe i'm getting guys mixed up but
03:31:47.800 there seems to be this like this milieu of this like okay like i i remember there was there's
03:31:53.720 guys who are like western separatist guys and there's guys who are like red ensign guys so
03:31:57.460 are they on the same page or like do they fight with each other or how does that work i don't
03:32:00.760 see them fighting i remember black horses um his big thing was talking about the laurentian
03:32:05.700 elite. And for those who don't get a chance to listen, it was talking about how the divide in
03:32:10.660 Canada, like in America, there's the North versus the South and Canada, it's the East versus the
03:32:14.920 West. And so the East would be Ontario. That's what they call the Laurentian elite versus everyone
03:32:22.720 who's in the West and the allocation of money and who holds the true power in the country.
03:32:29.060 And so that was his big thing. So people can listen to that if they want to hear more,
03:32:33.360 which is why i thought that ontario which is where i live the province where i reside they
03:32:39.180 have an it's an interesting problem presented by ontario like would they be a vassal state to
03:32:44.820 america probably not but that means that they would just be this kind of fucking free floating
03:32:50.080 thing um you know what's interesting as you're describing uh we're talking about canadian
03:32:55.380 identity i think the pro the reason that canadian identity presents such a problem
03:33:00.740 to the multiculturalists is when i when i think of a canadian identity that resonates with me
03:33:06.500 it's it's the most colonial identity possible like when i think of canadian it's like
03:33:12.580 it's homesteading it's logging it's it's having an aggressive relationship with the unknown
03:33:19.180 and carving out a place in nature it's not very cosmopolitan the idea of a canadian cosmopolitan
03:33:25.560 is kind of a new thing and it's really still alien to a lot of people who don't live in these
03:33:29.960 large urban centers but the canadian identity is very outdoors it's very you know not to say
03:33:36.820 counter to america because there's a lot of americans we're very close nature but i think
03:33:41.140 that is the main part of canadian identity but it's very very colonial in its aesthetic and its
03:33:48.240 behavior and maybe that's just something you're not allowed to be you know but when that when i
03:33:53.940 think of something canadian that resonates with me like it's like a fucking mountie riding a horse
03:33:59.180 it's snow it's outdoors and stuff and i think that for a lot of canadians it's they're trying to
03:34:04.320 fig get back to that somehow but what does that actually mean you know it's it's there's a
03:34:10.060 ruggedness to it but um i don't know i'm just spitballing here what do you think about that
03:34:14.480 well what when it comes to the yeah i mean i i hear you and i agree with you i just i just want
03:34:19.820 to touch back so when it comes to the laurentian elite thing like and again i'm not trying to
03:34:24.100 disparage anyone but it seems like the whole thing is like well we need to increase the power of the
03:34:27.440 west but i never necessarily understood that unless it basically is advocating for like a
03:34:32.220 fracturing of the country which i disagree with because it's like if you're going to increase the
03:34:35.760 power of the western elites like what does that mean like the guys who run the oil companies or
03:34:40.720 something like i guess my point is it's like which elites whether in the west or the east have like
03:34:46.560 white interests at heart and i guess like if you're talking about the reinvention of a canadian
03:34:50.220 identity and at this point i think it has to be i mean at least what we're doing has to revolve
03:34:54.440 around white advocacy to some degree you know i'm saying like we're just in this multicultural um
03:34:59.780 shithole so i just i never got that point about the western separatism yeah well and that's why
03:35:05.000 i liked uh de shane's attempt at euro canadians because that's a way to reconcile the anglophone
03:35:11.260 with the francophone problem which is that i'm like okay that's you you need to cut it both ways
03:35:16.980 for this to make any sense fair enough um yeah um i need to re-listen to that interview i'm not sure
03:35:23.540 i don't think there exist any western elites that would be so ideologically or values different than
03:35:33.560 the laurentian elite you know i mean especially like the west has its own problem like i said
03:35:37.280 it's dominated largely by the chinese communist party right now so in a sense the western elites
03:35:43.000 are the chinese communist party um but i don't i don't know exactly who i don't know who the
03:35:51.300 western elites would be that are making a bold claim for a western canadian identity either so
03:35:57.000 to your point i i don't really know either um i think it's more like there's laurentian elites
03:36:03.420 in ontario and then everyone else who doesn't like them but i don't know specifically if they're
03:36:09.880 organized in any sort of way you know one thing that i'm really interested in is the movement of
03:36:15.060 socrates in alberta and i don't know if you're familiar with those guys no no tell me more
03:36:19.940 okay so the social credit party was basically like a populist like almost like analogous like
03:36:24.640 a hewie long type movement um and it was started by a guy named william aberhart bible bill and he
03:36:30.540 was actually a preacher he preached on um albertan radio he was like a some kind of protestant guy
03:36:34.980 it's so cool that you could be just a politician named bible bill too yeah isn't that sick so so
03:36:40.400 he started this thing and his the social credit party was based on major ch douglas who was um
03:36:46.520 an army guy he's a british guy um and he had he had a an economic theory called social credit
03:36:51.580 theory and i'm like not really familiar with like pones post keynesian or whatever so i'm not going
03:36:55.800 to say it was kind of like mmt or not like mmt um because i know i know you guys had like a two-parter
03:37:01.940 on mmt and the problems with mmt but regardless it still flares up every so often anytime
03:37:07.420 i just mess with judas about it now i just say like why can't we just do infinite credit for
03:37:13.080 my stuff and he just gets all i know he's listening to this right now by the way i'm right so he can't
03:37:18.560 say anything did you notice that my profile picture is warren mosler like it has been for
03:37:24.100 quite some time no no i didn't notice that oh he's juice yeah so it's i i okay just wait like
03:37:30.020 how does he know that like mosler is jewish like i've tried to look that up do we know that he's
03:37:34.420 jewish for real because i know jewish is like he looks jewish but i don't i think i looked it up
03:37:39.520 and found that he wasn't um but i think i think judas sometimes goes with his gut on that one
03:37:46.620 i don't include it in the show but there's a couple guys he said were i think who was another
03:37:52.460 guy who said he's jewish and wasn't oh bruce springsteen he said bruce springsteen was jewish
03:37:58.500 yeah you just heard steen and thought oh jewish but if you look it up he's not
03:38:03.020 that's so epic um so so anyway um bible bill had this basically like right-wing populist like
03:38:10.860 almost socialist um party where he was talking about the government need to basically like
03:38:15.800 issue prosperity certificates or which were also like could be exchanged for a dollar if you worked
03:38:20.580 on government products or projects and he was like against like rapacious capitalism and stuff
03:38:24.220 but his legacy ended up being taken over by his um second in command earnest manning
03:38:32.280 when uh aberhart died and then earnest manning turned it into like the pro business party that
03:38:37.480 we would remember social credit um as so he was like all pro capitals and then like you know we
03:38:42.200 love oil or whatever which again i mean developing your resources isn't a problem but earnest manning's
03:38:47.420 son preston manning along with stephen harper they were um involved in the reform party and um i
03:38:54.600 think i don't know if preston was involved in alliance but those were basic like like third
03:38:58.420 parties they were like third party like right-wing movements and they were very uh pro-capitalist
03:39:02.940 and they were like basically after Mulroney they were even like more pro-business than Mulroney was
03:39:08.160 like I remember the context I remember when I was young seeing like alliance you know signs on
03:39:14.940 people's lawns and not really knowing what that was I'm like oh there's another conservative party
03:39:19.320 that's interesting did you know that um Harper's political mentor was uh Arthur Finkelstein
03:39:25.920 no way jesus yeah dude i thought harper was one of the not even joking jesus dude literally that
03:39:33.020 art like merchant merchant of venom i think is what they call him which is such a funny nickname
03:39:37.480 that that you were even allowed to say that in the 90s and call him that but yeah so i mean
03:39:42.360 mr guy who coined old stock canadians too damn so i mean just again that was a very brief
03:39:49.240 summation of the social credit party i just kind of rambled through it but my my point is to throw
03:39:53.340 the western separatists of bone like um so the so christ did establish the atv the alberta treasury
03:39:58.580 branch and they did you know some pretty cool things for the west and they were like if i was
03:40:02.860 going to identify with a policy set in historic canada over like the last hundred years like those
03:40:07.420 would probably be the guys albeit without the western separatist angle so i mean again i'm not
03:40:11.920 i'm not against the west and i think some interesting ideas have come out of that i just
03:40:15.800 i think that um uniting us especially under the banner of you know um white identity or white
03:40:21.180 advocacy makes more sense i think it makes more sense to have a national movement so yeah and you
03:40:25.840 know i disagree with dr deshane on a few key topics i'm sure you know he's really big into
03:40:32.240 alexander dugan as well i'm not a big advocate of duganism um but i see how ideologically he gets
03:40:39.760 there um i just i'm not that big of a fan however i i do like like the idea of euro canadians that
03:40:47.280 seems to be you know one thing i always said to people was it's easier to teach people a new term
03:40:54.240 than it is to launder an old term and that's a difficult thing for us because a lot of these
03:40:59.720 ideas these are old ideas we're dealing with and they're time tested but they get attached to
03:41:03.500 labels that you know for one reason or other people have some emotional aversion to and what
03:41:08.860 i like to by euro canadians is as just as a term like it sounds basic but you hear it you know what
03:41:14.540 it means and it's divorced from any baggage that any other term might have and it really hits the
03:41:21.880 core which is a candidate and this is what stephen harper was trying to get to by coining the term
03:41:26.740 old stock canadians but basically it's just your descendants of europeans that's english that's
03:41:33.480 french and then you know we're not even getting into religion we're not even getting into we're
03:41:38.500 not including protestantism in there that's where the wasps get in trouble i'm like it's just
03:41:42.300 descendants of Europeans. And that's it. And if you want to argue that they were not the founders
03:41:49.100 of Canada, then you're going to lose that fight unless you start rewriting history, which is
03:41:55.640 the project that they've been engaged in. And you said one of your key goals is to
03:42:01.540 teach history in a new way. And for me, using myself as an example, I've always found it
03:42:07.860 pretty difficult to find a lot of these books that we're talking about.
03:42:12.300 they're not talked about a lot in the in academia in canada or in the popular culture
03:42:17.780 if you you know in america if you want to find like a right-wing friendly history of america
03:42:23.640 or a revisionist friendly history of america you could find a few but in canada a lot of them are
03:42:28.600 out of print they're hard to find you got to find weird old pdfs of them but there is i think a
03:42:34.720 fading historical literacy of precisely the things we're talking about in canada i remember you had
03:42:41.680 mentioned you know we need to we need to figure out new ways to revisit history what are your
03:42:46.480 thoughts on that yeah I mean just getting back like you say to the original point we were talking
03:42:51.940 about Granitstein's thing like um there is a historian um who I referenced earlier Arthur
03:42:58.140 Lauer and I was reading some of his work and specifically what he had said about immigration
03:43:02.820 that he was an Anglo guy like he was right at the time where um north northwestern Europeans or
03:43:07.800 Anglos, you know, were still the vast majority of Canadian citizens. But he had talked about
03:43:12.040 racial hygiene. He had talked about the fact that if we have immigration, it's going to distort what
03:43:16.420 it means to be a Canadian. Now, of course, you could say, you know, well, white people don't
03:43:22.420 exist and white is just a mixture of stuff. But if we basically take that point, you know,
03:43:26.960 and transpose it onto white people. So he was saying, you know, British people should not be
03:43:31.100 racially mixed, either genetically or just mixed in with a whole bunch of other people they have
03:43:36.780 to live around, that's going to destroy Canadian identity. And we can say the same thing about
03:43:40.840 white people now. So if we are going to develop a Canadian identity or preserve what it means to
03:43:45.580 be Canadian or work around that, then it has to be focused around, like you say, Euro-Canadian
03:43:51.740 identity. I want to say to these people, especially let's take Anglos as an example,
03:43:57.820 Anglophones, who say, imagine if you were able to hate black people as much as you hate the French,
03:44:04.800 because the animosity between anglophones and francophones is so out in the open and so venomous
03:44:11.920 at times and things they're rude they're stupid they're blah i'm like yeah you just you're very
03:44:18.560 comfortable saying about it to them but just try that with any other group you already have the
03:44:23.180 muscle memory you know you can do it yeah we have to we have to take turn the laurentian at least
03:44:30.180 into you know judas n-word sayers which is i feel weird being on blood satellite i mean of course
03:44:35.920 you'll have the first segment um in this podcast i assume this will be the second like it usually
03:44:40.300 is the interview segment but it's like it's so weird like not having judas jump in and say nigger
03:44:44.480 like 10 times i know we derailed ourselves pretty good but i'm gonna the next i'm gonna have you on
03:44:50.480 again because what i really enjoy about this interview is your historical literacy i don't
03:44:56.500 how many times you said have you heard about this and i'm like no or like trying to fake it like oh
03:45:01.140 yeah that sounds familiar it doesn't i'm full of shit but this is like you you have a command
03:45:07.080 of of the specifics the dates the places that i don't think most people do i still think even a
03:45:13.200 lot of canadian nationalists what you know white identity advocates even nationalists whatever you
03:45:18.420 want to call them um they still deal in the broad strokes myself included like i don't have and i'm
03:45:25.240 trying to correct this going forward but i don't have the the in-depth knowledge of my own canadian
03:45:30.520 history and that's that's a problem i was thinking about today you know i was thinking about you know
03:45:34.880 i've brokered more friendships with you know american content creators and many canadian
03:45:41.980 content careers i've done quite a few people that i'm i deeply deeply respect like jeremy mckenzie
03:45:47.260 um and greg arcade but i'm like yeah there's a lot of really good guys up here and i i i don't i'm
03:45:53.640 not putting as much focus as i should same thing with canadian history and i think a lot of canadians
03:45:58.420 probably struggle with that as well um and i think you know i think the daily rake's doing a good job
03:46:04.100 but you know there's not there's not a lot of sites like the daily rake you know they kind of
03:46:08.520 were for a while but there's the true north news is a good one that's kind of friendly they're not
03:46:15.080 like outright parroting our points but they're adjacent but then what else rebel news like
03:46:20.700 there's not a lot up here you know yeah absolutely um well okay so maybe we'll just leave this as a
03:46:26.880 final point here because there are some other stuff we were going to talk about that i guess
03:46:29.780 we didn't get to which is fine we're going to get to next time i'm going to get judas on next time
03:46:33.420 too oh fuck yeah dude okay so yes we have to uh rewrite canadian history not rewrite it but we
03:46:39.740 have to just delve into these boring ass books and figure out who we are and what has happened
03:46:43.640 and who did the good things and who did the bad things um and that's exactly what i'm trying to
03:46:48.160 do and that's why i focus specifically on canadian content even though you know sometimes i want to
03:46:51.760 comment on european and american stuff i think that it's important to have specific canadian
03:46:56.100 content so yeah i mean i appreciate the kind words i think that if we're going to advocate
03:47:00.400 for white people we first have to have the proper talking points and the historical narrative so
03:47:04.680 i mean i can't really sum it up better than you did the last couple minutes that's exactly what
03:47:08.660 we should start i think you're engaged in a very you know a solitary but worthwhile mission of
03:47:14.240 making canadian history interesting and cool we're used to thinking american history is cool because
03:47:19.280 it is right but there's a lot of cool crazy wild pioneer stuff going on like i still call back to
03:47:28.180 a good friend a close friend of mine who used to be on the show earlier on named a raver you know
03:47:33.940 we would and he his uh major in university was political science and history and we were laughing
03:47:41.080 we had bits just between each other laughing about fucking johnny mcdonald about how he was
03:47:47.680 just such a fall down drunk and like you could you could just be a fucking wild alcoholic guy
03:47:54.340 prime minister just like the founding fathers just like everyone was like that's so fucking funny how
03:47:58.960 many cool sir john a stories must be out there that no one gets to hear he there was this i was
03:48:06.000 reading this uh biography of him that i actually have on my my stack of books here that i meant to
03:48:10.580 get back to um but i think it was like one of his first cases some guy killed another guy
03:48:14.940 but it was in the dark so he was like ah how do you know who killed the guy i mean it was you
03:48:19.720 know they're fighting in the dark so whatever and the guy got acquitted i mean i think i fucking
03:48:23.820 read this thing like years ago i dipped into it but it's just so stupid like i don't know the guy
03:48:28.580 was mad funny and he just got guys off with funny arguments like that i mean i think yeah i think
03:48:33.000 johnny mcdonald's very cool there's a lot of cool guys in k-historian history there's this um
03:48:36.360 biography i was reading by um samuel hearn who was one of the guys who was trying to find the
03:48:40.300 northwest passage in the 1700s and it's like half of it is just um hanging out with natives
03:48:44.920 and like natives like basically it's like maybe maybe you're not familiar i don't know how many
03:48:49.700 of them you've run into but you know when someone does a hey buddy can i see your phone thing and
03:48:55.120 then you pull out your phone and then they take it from you yeah so this so this this he's talking
03:49:01.120 about he goes and he's meeting up with some days like hey do you have any tobacco and he's like
03:49:04.100 yeah yeah for sure so he he pulls up the tobacco and they just take his entire tobacco purse and
03:49:08.900 just run away they haven't changed their fucking thing they just do we want to save an episode for
03:49:20.820 that too or like part of i think i think we need the whole episode just for the aboriginal question
03:49:27.500 because we we did a live stream discussing like a al jazeera documentary like the grave thing is
03:49:34.880 one thing but like that i think that was and this is something i was thinking about just this morning
03:49:40.540 too i was thinking about you know people are always asking you what your first red pill moment
03:49:45.020 was and you're thinking back to when you were a teenager about when you noticed this or that but
03:49:49.440 i'm like i think one of the earliest ones might have been aboriginals being full of shit you know
03:49:57.060 and and noticing that like they're they're liars this is stupid i remember i was watching like like
03:50:03.200 some video once of some respected chief talking about you know how they worship birds and how
03:50:13.760 crows are smarter than people i said that's dumb everything you believe sounds dumb to me
03:50:19.620 and i was too young to know the depth of what that would cause later but that was the first
03:50:24.680 like listening to aboriginals being like you're full you're fucking weird and dumb
03:50:30.060 why are you everywhere do you know francis widdowson dr francis widdowson no no she wrote
03:50:38.700 like three books on that stuff bro it's so funny but okay i'll save it like there's so much stuff
03:50:44.060 i could talk you want to just you want to talk because i want you to send send me a reading list
03:50:48.520 too because i you've brought so many books that i haven't read that i think i would love to cover
03:50:54.300 on the show as well i think there'll be good episodes based on that okay i'll take like a
03:51:00.040 quick look on my bookshelf and i'll break it down by topic so yeah for sure bro all right this has
03:51:05.200 been a fantastic time thank you very much for sitting down with me once again uh on the daily
03:51:10.460 rake.ca i believe that's the main place you publish your articles under your byline cooper
03:51:16.460 just you can search for that and also on telegram honky night in canada one of the great titles
03:51:23.600 coming out of this country now how do i what's the ad for that let me just make oh i think it's
03:51:29.160 ekville facts like what i was i i had like keekstra as my profile picture for a while
03:51:34.720 yes it's a fantastic resource of canadian news headlines and media analysis it's so funny that
03:51:43.620 you know for the sex as well i've known him for for quite some time and we talk he's in our chat
03:51:48.460 we talk all the time it's great we all know we're starting to everyone knows each other
03:51:52.920 the same 20 guys right yo you got can you invite me to that chat i don't know why i'm saying that
03:51:58.300 on the recording but no no of course yeah no no i'll bring you in all right word word okay bad
03:52:03.960 peace all right talk to you later man thanks again hey baby i hear the blues are calling
03:52:09.300 and maybe i seem a bit confused yeah maybe but i got you peg