00:07:31.180Well done, dude boy, well done, dude boy, well done, dude
00:07:37.820We just battered with people rolling, we just battered with them0.95
00:07:53.320We ran down in a Tier difference when it came to Menuyo, but we just battered with them
00:07:58.520Camera thief, take pictures, run like the parallel stitches, attach my feet to the path I beat, teach myself to keep the answers brief, gnash my teeth like the last to feast, imagine me on that abandoned beach, sand and sea as if the jazz was free.0.96
00:47:05.060And, you know, Nick Fuentes now saying like, you know, it's not all Jews.
00:47:09.680Look, I'm not even saying you need to believe what he believes.
00:47:11.660But if my thing was being pretty fucking anti-Semitic, I would not be, I would seem like a betrayal for me to be out there doing what he's doing now, which is saying that, no, you know what?0.79
00:47:27.040It's just these other ones because the pressure release they're going to allow you to have, because the whole point of this goal, the whole sort of goal of this movement is to allow Jews to control the conversation on anti-Semitism.0.99
00:53:54.480So I don't think it can be anything but that.
00:53:57.060And as you said, the number of bridges he seemed to be intentionally trying to burn between Tucker and Red Scare and all of these people and then to turn it around at the last minute.
00:55:07.740If I see Tom York doing a Pepsi ad, that's a sellout.
00:55:11.300And I don't fault him for it because he's got to make some money.
00:55:14.840He's not as popular as getting old.0.99
00:55:16.240I understand that Nick Fuentes isn't a fucking musician.0.97
00:55:19.640Nick Fuentes is claims to be his whole claim.0.98
00:55:23.360He's leading young men, young, impressionable man around by the nose, claiming to be the savior of the white race, claiming to be the new right, claiming to be, you know, this new generation.
00:55:33.700That's this positive forward looking view of the future.0.73
00:55:36.680Just if you stick with me and follow me and he's guiding people, he's telling them how to live.0.99
00:55:41.300He's giving people fucking relationship advice.0.99
00:55:44.180And for it to turn out that all of that is a fucking act just for him to get paid and for him to slip in the Jewish product placement.0.99
00:55:52.840Like, hey, actually, everybody should get on the Teal Network now.0.98
00:55:56.440That is the most demonic thing you can do.
00:55:59.240Think about this from the perspective of the Republican Party.
00:56:02.940They're trying to absorb the energies from these two groups.0.86
00:56:06.480On one side, it's Jews controlling the conversation on permissible anti-Semitism, thus capturing that energy.0.84
00:56:16.440And the other side, and this is so ingenious, it's effectively non-whites controlling the conversation on white nationalism.0.89
00:56:24.620Because they notice that these two conversations are going and they can't control them.0.75
00:56:29.340And I'm not trying to, look, when I talk about Nick Fuentes, there's a lot of rumors about sexuality, race, family.
00:56:34.660i'm not even entertaining that right now what i'm saying is if you look at the groipers they0.98
00:56:39.440seem to be pretty fucking multiracial and they are very vocally pro-white and that's weird0.91
00:56:46.960but it's they're not intelligent people look i'm sorry i'm sorry but i'm not really sorry1.00
00:56:52.240they're not intelligent people they're young they're bitter they're full of impotent rage
00:56:56.360and they're not that bright they're not well read and they're not putting the pieces together1.00
00:57:00.920i'm sorry you cannot be a half hispanic half hindu and be a gay child molester and then also1.00
00:57:08.700be a well you can't you can't be those first and that's that is half of his fucking staff1.00
00:57:14.580that describes though the people that he keeps in his tightest circle is these fucking people0.99
00:57:19.780yeah and but that that's the move that i'm seeing though like they like republicans can this way0.98
00:57:27.780control the conversation on both anti-semitism and also white nationalism white identity but
00:57:34.100make it a multi-ethnic affair which is what they've been trying to do the entire time
00:57:39.040so to me like this this is an obvious move for them and tucker's obviously still plugged into
00:57:45.100this entire like tucker's profile is as high as it's ever been so to act like he's not in
00:57:49.840conversations with all these people is just preposterous so it's like what it's the fuente
00:57:57.440who fuentes is and whatever drama around him is less interesting than what this pivot signifies
00:58:04.440um and it might not signify much but to me narratively it signifies something and i think
00:58:10.240he sees it already it reinforces what we already thought was happening which is that all of these
00:58:15.140people are in on it together right they're all in on it and they're trying to capture the you know
00:58:21.760the narrative on the ascendant right from a couple of different angles we've been you and i have been
00:58:26.280saying this and look we didn't come up with this idea everybody in our circle has been saying this
00:58:30.300for at least two or three years but it's just it's painfully obvious at this point yeah and also i
00:58:35.880don't know what to do about it because there's real money and real influence behind this thing
01:22:21.060I just wanted to show you, because I thought it was interesting, you've got so much insider knowledge on China, of course, but this very, very serious think tank is actually trying to sort of reckon with the reality that China seems to be ascendant or is posing more of a problem geopolitically to America than we might have thought in the past.
01:22:48.660trying to be realistic trying to be pragmatic about the way forward and negotiate something
01:22:55.060like a not a stalemate but a more balanced relationship now just off the top we've talked
01:23:02.600about bricks before we've talked about china at length do you have any initial thoughts on just
01:23:08.880what i've said so far about like a relationship between do you think and i guess i'll start with
01:23:14.280this does even publishing something like this admits to the world that America is having this
01:23:23.200sort of conversation that they never would have thought it had before which is treating China as
01:23:28.020a true equal and try to broker a deal with them where you know where it might China was seen as
01:23:35.760more subservient in that role like is this already sort of an admission of failure geopolitically
01:23:40.940yes it is and it's not a it's not a it's not a it's a recent admission of failure but it's not
01:23:49.140an admission of recent failure it's a very old failure it's a 25 30 year old failure that they're0.98
01:23:56.500finally admitting to you had the opportunity you could have crushed china like a fucking roach0.94
01:24:02.520in 1995 and you should have it says here i'm just going to read a couple of parts just because i0.98
01:24:08.700think this adds we've talked about this as i said at length in previous episodes on our discussions
01:24:14.020of neorealism and uh specifically china's relationship with canada as well but i also
01:24:21.840wonder what that means for canada and that's my selfish question that if america has become is
01:24:29.740conceding more to china that was always one of the biggest risks between america and canada that
01:24:34.100Canada was seeking out a more direct relationship with the Chinese Communist Party.
01:24:39.840This would have been many decades ago.
01:24:41.720And America was never, they saw that as a hostile action from Canada.
01:24:47.520But if America and China are on equal footing, what does that mean for Canada?
01:24:52.280What does that mean about stopping the flow of fentanyl through the West Coast?
02:10:58.960I mean, I'm always love lending my voice to people and talking.
02:11:03.040and there's quite a bit to talk about um because when it comes to canadian influencers canadian
02:11:08.960voices you are one of the largest and also someone that intersects with so many of the interests
02:11:16.080of our audience you're not only a political influencer but you are an accomplished outdoorsman
02:11:22.240and i'm actually going to just throw up your uh x here right now so people can see it so this is
02:11:28.540where i know you're from look at this this is a guy this is a man who camps this is a man
02:11:32.540who gets in the thick of it um very large account but also if you just check his youtube page like
02:11:40.300it's almost exclusively outdoor videos and that's what was so cool and i've been on a real tear
02:11:44.460lately of getting terrified watching people just track up a mountain and then realize at midnight
02:11:51.140I'd say, well, it's too cold to survive, so I think I need to go back in the middle of the night.
02:11:59.180Yeah, I mean, you're talking to a guy who purposely goes out in the wilderness in the middle of winter when it's minus 30 just to just, you know, I do the winter solstice once a year, which is the shortest daylight of the year, you know, December 21st, roughly.
02:12:15.760And I go out there just to say that I was out there on this, you know, on that day.
02:12:22.100Yeah, I mean, and you got the page up.
02:12:25.660I mean, I want to talk about it real quick, right?
02:19:30.100it's a topic near and dear to me that rolls into a lot of things. I mean,
02:19:33.640And it's, you know, the government to me somehow or other managed to ruin something that was one of the last things that I got to enjoy in life where the government didn't interfere in my life was the backcountry.
02:19:45.360And the government managed to somehow or other screw that up and take that away from us.
02:19:49.280I mean, in fact, they did take it away.
02:19:52.240Look at what happened in Nova Scotia in, you know, a month ago when they banned going into the backcountry and threatened $20,000 fines.
02:20:02.020Yeah, it's funny that right around that time, we were hosting a big group event here in Ontario.
02:20:11.720And that was during the purported wildfires.
02:20:56.060I mean, like, actually, I'd rather not have to sign the waiver, but if you need to me to sign a waiver saying I'm responsible for myself when I'm walking in the woods, so be it, right?
02:21:05.760I should be allowed to drown in a creek.
02:21:21.560I should be able to walk in the fucking woods, right?0.99
02:21:23.820I think it went further than that.0.97
02:21:25.700Yeah, I think it did start out as a money grab, but nowadays I think a lot of, you know, no, I don't think a lot of things that have happened in the last decade are done, you know, for our safety, but that's just the excuse to control us.
02:21:40.940You know, you can't you can't go here because of covid or we have to have censorship because of misinformation.
02:21:47.580Oh, we need to put controls on the Internet because of, you know, we need to we need to kill ostriches because it's it's for everybody's safety to prevent the bird flu.
02:21:58.920Like it just, you know, never never underestimate a good crisis.
02:22:02.120I mean, or never let a good crisis go to waste.
02:22:05.300And then the government are fabricating crisis these days.0.96
02:22:07.800And the worst part is, is that whenever you oppose it, you seem ludicrous.
02:22:12.220So, citing the example of the, let's say, the wildfires in the forest, you know, I will not sit under the yoke of the government.
02:23:06.480yeah yeah no and which is which is you know leads me to marty up north unacceptable fact checker
02:23:13.080i i i set myself up to be ludicrous i set myself up to be able to do those things i mean i took an
02:23:20.280early retirement from work and and that unshackled me from from from from that and now i can be i can
02:23:27.300be that ludicrous person that that and trust me i get accused of being ludicrous all the time i mean
02:23:32.040And whether it's whether it's complaining about out of control immigration or there's no shortage of things that the government are doing to us.0.95
02:23:38.900And when you and I push back, yeah, that's that's their number one strategy.
02:23:43.380Make us appear as which is which, by the way, is why I am so popular is because I'm I'm able to push back in a way that really, really, really irritates the government.
02:23:57.920like i can push back with facts and somehow or other through my life and and and i'm i'm i'm a
02:24:03.360guy who's pushing back who's not um uh i i i have a pretty good pedigree i mean my you know we're
02:24:09.680going to talk a little bit about energy and stuff like that but you you are literally talking to the
02:24:13.760guy who was a senior you know manager at trans canada pipeline i was the president of two large
02:24:20.180alberta oil companies so i'm not a schmuck and i have some friends in very powerful positions it
02:24:26.560just so happens that i hated working and i took myself out of work i mean i i worked i didn't work
02:24:31.780for um i didn't work for it for me work was just a means to an end it was a way to make money
02:24:38.060and to pay for my kids hockey and so i could buy a new backpack what i really want to do
02:24:42.820is go hiking i don't want to work so i work just enough to be able to enjoy life but somehow um in
02:24:49.660the last six or seven years rather than be able to just enjoy life i had to take up a battle against0.94
02:24:55.500our stupid government well it's going to lead into this a bit later but we might as well get
02:24:59.820to it now because online on on your timeline i've noticed perhaps you've become a bit more0.99
02:25:07.020radicalized not just since covet but let's say in the past year would that be an accurate
02:25:12.140assessment do you feel like you've been pushed into a more radical mindset due to certain issues
02:25:19.100like let's say mass migration yes yeah no not radicalized is the um no i'm not radicalized
02:25:27.260my my opinions on it haven't been haven't changed is how i express my uh my frustration now has
02:25:34.240i've become unapologetic so i for the longest time i was always frustrated by a lot of issues
02:25:40.260but i was trying to be you know i learned a long time ago if you're going to be um you know if
02:25:45.640confront like at work in an engineering world where i'd have to try and sell an idea to somebody
02:25:51.720um you know i learned that being uh keeping emotions out of it and bringing facts to the
02:25:59.160debate was um was a very useful tool bringing facts to our debates worked until a certain point
02:26:08.920in canada but then we became you know very tribal and so we're at a point now where facts in the
02:26:14.520debate don't matter and and and so i'm not radicalized but i become unapologetic i'm now
02:26:22.920i'm now throwing the facts in people's face in ways that are absolutely unpleasant to them so
02:26:28.200you know it was jordan peterson that inspired me years ago when jordan said you know i went
02:26:33.240asked the question like and he said you have to risk offending people so i'm i'm i'm at the point
02:26:39.800like that was against my i was a polite canadian for the longest time and then the last couple
02:26:44.280of years i'm no longer a polite kid no i'm very much the same way and i think a lot of people a
02:26:49.960lot of we might call them regular people are the same way where they are becoming more explicit
02:26:56.680with what used to be implicit um and that was very very rare in canada previously and i you
02:27:04.120know you were afforded some ability to do now but i am wondering as you become more vocal you have a
02:27:10.680very you know robust career and all these connections have you noticed any of those
02:27:16.040connections or any of those opportunities have fallen off as you've yeah well oh yeah oh yeah
02:27:22.080no a lot i mean it's uh you know yeah i'll i'll go uh i'll i'll go visit let's say linkedin once
02:27:29.740in a while and then go oh that's you know think of a person and realize oh they stopped following
02:27:34.200me or they've distanced themselves from me so i've had professional colleagues distance themselves
02:27:39.480uh i've had family distance themselves but uh but at the same time i've i've met a whole new
02:27:44.660community that i um not say no i will say it i i like the i like the new community more than i
02:27:52.840mean if you stop following me because of my political views then that so be it i mean i'm
02:27:56.860not going to be offended by that but yes i've lost people well it makes you feeling better
02:28:01.760those people seem to come around eventually like i watched maybe people can even recall
02:28:08.380how people were talking during covid for example um or even during like the peak of the black
02:28:14.540lives matter protest that all kind of fell away and people have selective amnesia about all that
02:28:20.340but i found that even my most hardcore you know pro lockdown family members like it's a they talk
02:28:27.400about like it's a personal shame they'll never admit they were wrong of course never never never
02:28:31.080no but but but but i'll i'll qualify by saying this it's it's not as many people you know i i've
02:28:39.640lost a few people but i i've gained more and i've i still kept the core of my friends and my
02:28:46.600colleagues because we are generally like-minded in alberta i mean and it's something i experienced
02:28:53.080a lot like i used to travel the country for work and uh and and and then sometimes i'd take it on
02:28:59.560the chin somewhere particularly quebec i worked in quebec for three four years in you know 2016 17 18
02:29:07.000and it was tough right and uh and that's what somebody would say is like why how do you handle
02:29:12.840this this this sort of negativity and i'm like uh i'm just going to jump on a flight on friday and
02:29:18.760i'll be back home in alberta and then i'll be surrounded by like-minded people so fighting
02:29:22.520some of the battles the political battles in quebec were you know convinced me not convinced
02:29:32.360me i'm trying to choose a word but i that's when i realized i really realized that we in the last
02:29:36.840decade that i have like-minded people in alberta it's not a there's something different because
02:29:41.160that was my next question is of the the network that we just discussed that fell away are there
02:29:47.080more marty's in alberta can you speak more freely just demographically or politically yeah
02:29:52.800yes yes i mean i i uh um i i i do it i do it with my neighbors i can i like i can i can speak
02:30:01.260yeah i'm gonna have a i'm gonna have a christmas party or not christmas there's a halloween party
02:30:05.180i live in a nice you know uh neighborhood and uh we have an annual uh halloween party and i'm
02:30:12.480going to go to the halloween party and we're going to have some cool discussions political
02:30:16.880and otherwise and um and and i'm i'll say this i think i can have discussions here that i would
02:30:25.360not have somewhere else living in ontario it's like night and day every even talking my neighbors
02:30:32.520i moved into a new house like six months ago and we're meeting our neighbors the first time it's0.96
02:30:37.120like diffusing a fucking bomb man like you don't know you're trying to figure out like is this0.99
02:30:41.540someone are you like a shit lib or are you just a centrist or like what are you because this could1.00
02:30:46.780be the next i don't know 30 years of my life dealing with you and you never talk politics0.99
02:30:51.880but you're trying to sort of triangulate what they are based on the media they want to talk about
02:30:58.100well i mean you know that's something i used like i said i used to travel a lot that's something i
02:31:03.740used to do on the plane as an example i might be on a plane on my way to meetings in ontario for
02:31:09.220something for work. And I'd be sitting on the plane and somebody would see the engineering
02:31:13.300ring on my hand and they'd say, you know, what kind of engineer are you? And then I kind of look
02:31:18.300at them and, you know, usually I'd say something like I'm a mining engineer or I'm a, you know,
02:31:23.740I'm a mechanical engineer in automotive or something like that. And then see how the
02:31:27.940conversation went. But I would never pause like that in Alberta. Never, ever, ever. If in Alberta,
02:31:34.620if somebody said, what are you? I'd say I'm a petroleum engineer. Done. And then if they didn't
02:31:38.840like it, which would be rare, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't
02:31:47.960Or, or other things. I mean, not just that I'm in, I'm using the
02:31:52.000engineering example, but I might get chastised for saying I hunt,
02:31:54.860I might get chastised for, or judged or so I in other
02:31:58.680provinces, I would self censor in person, and less and less
02:32:04.840nowadays um but but that's there so that's what i'm trying to say there i have no self-censorship
02:32:11.480in alberta never experienced never the the closest to self-censorship in alberta would be um i don't
02:32:17.880know coming out of church on a sunday and somebody's uh somebody's a school teacher and the
02:32:22.200teachers are on strike i'm gonna self-censor that day i'm not an i'm not gonna i'm not gonna bring
02:32:27.240up um you know my true thoughts on on teaching but i i was in the situation just last week you know
02:32:33.880visiting a friend whose wife is a teacher and we're sitting in the kitchen and she asked me
02:32:38.300for my opinions on the strike and i'm like are you sure you want my opinion casey because i'll
02:32:43.600give it to you you know and um and she took it and it was a good debate but i i don't think i
02:32:49.800would have said what i said to her in ontario yeah having probably most likely very similar
02:32:57.560views i am thankfully in a position where people no longer ask me my opinion on things
02:33:03.100like in family do they know what dimes like dimes is one of those people we're not going to ask him0.83
02:33:09.200about because if i wasn't there they would all be they're like trump right now don't you but like
02:33:15.400i'm there so i'm not even like a pro-trump guy but they think i am so you know i'm just it's
02:33:21.740i kill politics at the family dinner i love it so you gotta tap dance around me now how you like0.69
02:33:28.980that because i won't shut up i will start a fight i will storm out you you'll if you don't want a0.92
02:33:33.920scene talk about your favorite movie talk about your favorite type of mashed potatoes that's what
02:33:39.360you're restricted yeah i gotta i i gotta i got a favorite meme that i've shared many times it's uh
02:33:45.720it's two people at a dinner table talking and there's a dog next to it and the woman's got her
02:33:50.500hand around the muzzle of the dog and it's underneath it says marty and on any topic i'm
02:33:56.140in the same boat times i mean if somebody says uh you must have an opinion marty and sometimes i'd
02:34:01.380be no i don't and then they'll just say a few more words like okay all right you want my opinion
02:34:06.880yeah you're gonna get it that's what we're gonna do we're gonna have a fight now that's we're gonna
02:34:10.240okay just everyone bear witness that i wasn't the one who caused that because when you have these
02:34:16.040sorts of opinions you get pigeonholes a curmudgeon you get pigeonholes a guy who's always starting
02:34:21.120problems sometimes but i've i've never in the past like 12 years initiated a political conversation
02:34:29.000never once it's always someone walking into a room just convinced that everyone agrees with them
02:34:35.480and then announcing something and then saying well yes you help me agree with me now i'm like0.76
02:34:40.520well no i'm like i said i'm stupid and i'm insane so whatever's gonna come out next like you've
02:34:46.020never heard this before okay and and and i just want to stay on this topic just a a minute longer0.59
02:34:52.880um one of the one one of the things i do do is i do talk and i do debate and people who know me
02:35:00.040know this they know that my opinion on the subject can be changed like you know i talked earlier
02:35:06.220about tribalism but i i like even today i i had a meeting uh earlier today uh a conference call
02:35:12.960with the government because i just come back from hunting and i don't like what i saw in the area
02:35:17.040it had to do with caribou management but the lady said something that went oh okay okay
02:35:21.360you know i gave her i gave her i conceded a point but i do change my opinion it's something that i
02:35:26.880learned as an engineer a long long time ago like as an engineer if i made it wrong if i had an
02:35:31.740idea or an opinion and it led to uh not to an improvement but but to uh decrease in performance
02:35:39.980admit that i was wrong like you know you made the wrong you made the wrong choice the machine
02:35:45.960doesn't work better everybody around you knows it it's visible so you gotta admit go yeah i'm sorry
02:35:51.780guys i made the wrong call and so i i learned something and i changed my opinion and and and
02:35:57.760and and i didn't need to wait for the failure to change my opinion i mean the designing things and
02:36:03.160engineering things is done generally as a team effort and i learned a long time ago to you know0.95
02:36:09.140not to believe my own bullshit and to embrace a diverse team. I mean, I had, I had people that0.93
02:36:14.700were, you know, let's say, call them negative, right? And some people say, why would you work
02:36:19.320with Gord? He's so negative. I'd be like, well, when I'm in a meeting, and I'm pumping my own
02:36:24.720tires, and I'm getting all pumped up about an idea, I turned, I catch myself, and I turned to
02:36:29.360Gord, and I go, hey, Gord, what am I missing here? And then Gord would go, oh, I'm glad you asked.
02:36:34.200And then he would, you know, he would, he would remind me of something that I had missed. So
02:36:37.580um and you had to have undergone something like ego death because i don't million times most people
02:36:44.340they cannot even approach that regardless of age and i'm going to relate something to that
02:36:49.960that is in no realm close but even my co-host who can be here tonight his name is judas and he's
02:36:57.180very much the same way i count on him to rein me in when i've read some ridiculous theory you know
02:37:06.040some some shit that i read and i'm gonna i bring it to the table and i present it to him who's
02:37:11.220never heard it before and i count he's much more pragmatic much more realistic he works in0.96
02:37:15.160manufacturing he's quite a bit like yourself um and he's actually working at a robotics company
02:37:21.700right now here in ontario so he's got that sort of mindset where it's very practical it's like
02:37:28.240okay what you're saying doesn't make any sense okay i need that if i'm around too many weirdos
02:37:32.460like me it's never going to stop it's going to be a feedback loop that just alienates everyone
02:37:37.020forever yeah so you need someone just to rein you in some from time to time no absolutely and i mean
02:37:43.580you know i it's it's a criticism i have of it's a criticism we have of many politicians right we
02:37:49.180see many politicians that surround themselves with yes men or bootlickers we call them or whatever you
02:37:53.580want i mean like that's the last thing i would have wanted to do that's the last thing i did as
02:37:59.640a manager in the oil patch is to surround myself with yes men because a mistake will be catastrophic
02:38:05.260could be deadly could be have terrible consequences for myself for the company the environment
02:38:10.840everybody so you know um so and that's funny because people tell me you know um will slap
02:38:18.160like the don't you believe in science i'm like oh you have no idea how much i believe in science
02:38:23.040and so and facts like um yeah how do we get that yeah yeah well that's where a lot of people get
02:38:30.180it in this space um it's not for any sensational reasons because they discovered facts that they
02:38:36.500believe are true especially when it comes to things like mass migration and then you realize
02:38:40.860not only do most people not have access to the same facts they reject those facts and that's a
02:38:45.640different problem entirely and you had mentioned something a little bit ago where uh we're talking
02:38:52.360about how, you know, like the liberals, the government, they can no longer make coherent
02:38:58.180arguments for what they want to do. And I created this short video quite some time ago called
02:39:03.860Paving Over the Public. And it was about the history of mass migration in Canada going back
02:39:08.680to the 40s, 50s, 60s, and how the politicians, this is based on public opinion polls taken
02:39:16.360throughout the decades about how public opinion was always against mass migration, even from
02:39:22.080Europe. Because this is always the most striking part of this entire conversation. If you go back
02:39:28.260a few generations, it wasn't obvious to anyone why you would need mass migration. If you're
02:39:33.360given, if you're prompted to question saying, do you think we should increase migration or lower it?
02:39:38.800Sitting where we are right now, we've been propagandized for so many generations thinking
02:39:43.020that you must make GDP line go up. But back then, that was a ridiculous question. Why would we need0.86
02:39:48.660more what polish people forget like indians and chinese but like even bringing in more italians0.99
02:39:56.040like what yeah well i i live in a part of the world where there was that was an easy answer
02:40:01.780we needed more people i mean um you know if you if you lived in alberta in uh 1918 um it was
02:40:11.660sparsely populated and more people simply meant more people who could help you like we were we
02:40:17.600were really dependent on each other and so having a few more people around us was useful and and the
02:40:25.140the people in that came here in 1918 they weren't a burden they were they were they they contributed
02:40:30.960and they added i mean at that time we're you know we were literally building infrastructure everyone's
02:40:37.020a colonist everyone's a pioneer at that bingo bingo but today it's a yeah i mean i i'm i'm in
02:40:43.100that camp now why why why why do we talk about perpetual growth and why don't we just target a
02:40:49.500a certain you know i mean i like canada at 30 million people why why not just that's the thing
02:40:55.720one of the i think it's like an agenda 21 type plan which is saying uh canada will have was it
02:41:02.520100 million people in 100 years i think is the claim but i actually think canada has the perfect
02:41:08.480size population yes it's very spread out but maybe every country should be maybe we have too
02:41:14.320many people like if this actually feels comfortable where people can really breathe here contrasted0.79
02:41:21.160against india contrasted against even like fucking china or anything like this this feels like a good
02:41:27.380type of normal to me i don't think we need to keep population growth forever and to the point i was
02:41:33.480making was that after generations of propaganda that we need this to grow the economy but it's
02:41:40.840been shown that that doesn't seem to be the case by no metric does the economy improve and so
02:41:47.380they've almost surrendered that argument over the past few years especially with all the the0.88
02:41:52.600indian immigration so they don't even make an argument for it anymore they just say this is0.99
02:41:56.620something we're doing and that that that to me is the end of the debate because if they were0.99
02:42:01.440at least respecting us enough to lie that would be something but now it's just they're
02:42:08.040shoving this thing through through with no reasoning applied to it and everyone's just
02:42:13.680flabbergasted like why are we still doing this i i i agree wholeheartedly i think it just got
02:42:21.400away on them i mean i think i think it uh there there was perhaps a valid reason to temporarily
02:42:28.900increase immigration right after covid but i i debate that even uh but it just got out it just
02:42:35.620got out of hand on them it just it just you know for political credit i mean just look at the that
02:42:41.280that roxam border crossing i mean they were doing mental gymnastics to justify it you know like oh
02:42:47.040it's not illegal it's it's uh whatever they were calling it's it's uh unusual immigration and this
02:42:53.780and that i mean like no no no just like enough is enough just close the border and and uh regain
02:42:59.860control and then rethink the policy well actually let me let me say this this is another thing that
02:43:05.820i don't like about the current governments which is a parallel to my engineering world
02:43:10.660in my engineering world i would change you know i would change one thing at a time and make sure
02:43:16.920i progress in the right direction and and and then change something again you know as an example if
02:43:22.500If my mandate is to make this car go faster, I'm not going to change the setting on the carburetor, change the tires and change the aerodynamics because I won't know which one worked and which one didn't work.
02:43:36.920And so I do one, I monitor and if it doesn't work, I reverse it and I do something else.
02:43:42.240And that's one of my criticisms of governments of late in our country is that they're doing everything so fast without monitoring whether it's actually working.
02:43:51.860they say they're going to monitor but they don't you know the immigration was an example i mean
02:43:56.260early on they said it was needed to to combat unemployed or high um you know job vacancies okay
02:44:04.260well did you accomplish that yes or no then they said well it's also done to uh improve the gdp
02:44:09.860because uh we need to make sure that our debt to gdp you know what i'm saying so they they
02:44:14.740there's been zero monitoring and rapid rapid rapid change and i dare say some of the changes
02:44:21.860of the last decade have absolutely backfired not just immigration but there's a lot of you know
02:44:26.900um whatever uh like an example made medically assisted dying i i can't say i'm for or against
02:44:35.840it i'm generally against it but but even if i was for it i'd be like can we do it slowly and make
02:44:41.820sure there's not a whole ton of unintended consequences to this you know what i mean
02:44:45.880You've never seen a nurse wave someone through faster than when it comes to maids.
02:45:12.860And also just, it seems like a manipulation of the Hippocratic Oath.
02:45:19.540And the Hippocratic Oath, I guess, isn't official or legally binding, but it's expanding the definition of what harm is.
02:45:26.140So you're supposed to do no harm as a doctor.
02:45:28.880It's like, well, I'm doing harm by letting them live if you accept a psychoanalytical viewpoint.
02:45:35.980And there's like a corruption of what I thought ought to be very simple medical practice.
02:45:42.080And so that, to me, like we were talking about before, about what what each of these incidences represents, you know, and to me.
02:45:51.740Actually, I'll give before the show, you and I were talking a little bit about the We Conference.
02:45:56.040I wish I remembered her name, but at the at the We Conference in Calgary a couple of weeks ago, there was a lady who was, I don't know, color ultra pro-life and and against MAID.
02:46:07.900and me going into that debate I didn't debate her I listened to her but you know I had an
02:46:14.740experience so my father had a terrible terrible disease and and he died of natural cause but
02:46:19.860in the end you know if dad had died this decade instead of two decades ago would I have done
02:46:26.620something would I have suggested made perhaps then I went met this lady and she changed my
02:46:32.080opinion when she talked at the conference so I I just wanted to bring that up you know back to
02:46:36.880the point that um it's possible to change your opinion if you're if you're open to listening
02:46:44.000and talking yeah yeah exactly it seems that the maid thing is also getting more more normalized
02:46:52.260and more accepted she sorry but that that was her point she she actually maybe i'll send you a text0.77
02:46:59.940later on when i find out what when i remember her name but she was actually she gave an example that
02:47:04.840made is not freeing it does it you know people are claiming that it's the ultimate freedom that
02:47:10.300you choose to do what you want you know in the end of your life it's the ultimate decision
02:47:14.640and she gave an example she she talked about you know what if what if 10 people are suffering from
02:47:20.420uh Lou Gehrig's disease and nine of them uh uh accept made as a as a treatment what's the 10th
02:47:29.040person going to feel like right so what's the freedom value of that 10th person anyways it
02:47:34.640was a complex, complex, complex argument. I'm not that comfortable in that realm. I'm an engineer.
02:47:42.060I'm the math guy. It ends up very philosophical because then you're asking, well, what do I mean
02:47:48.120by harm? What do we mean by suffering? Is it the duty of a secular humanist society, which I think
02:47:55.980Canada in many ways purports to be? Is it to limit suffering, not just encourage liberty or set the
02:48:03.920stage for you know whatever blood and soil this and that but it's like no we're just here as the
02:48:10.140government to limit suffering in whatever form so yeah in this one extreme that has taken the form
02:48:15.160of death and i think for a lot of people that that's just a bitter pill to swallow they don't
02:48:21.180want to do it and uh but i think when it was first announced there was way more pushback but
02:48:26.840the longer you allow these things to persist eventually that pushback is going to go away
02:48:31.420then it's just a normal thing and then maybe it mutates um but it's also seen as something of a
02:48:37.100novelty issue like you you're seen as kind of kooky if you really really care about it you know
02:48:41.720i mean like as the average person you kind of just have to let it be i guess which is unfortunate but
02:48:47.560you know there's like 20 other things to care about but i'm like this one seems it just seems
02:48:51.940nefarious to me like it just seems there's two there's more ways it can go wrong than go right
02:48:57.580and of course there's ways it can go right because everyone's got a story of seniors dying of
02:49:04.460alzheimer's and maybe even me i i might even choose something like that but yeah yeah we're
02:49:08.760we're we're on the same page there which is back to what i said earlier i just want to go slower
02:49:13.800on some of these things before you know test it out somewhere trial it out somewhere and i'm not
02:49:21.020talking one year i'm talking a decade because there's going to be unintended consequences to
02:49:25.900lot of these policies and some of the unintended consequences can be really really bad why is it
02:49:31.260they seem to only move fast on things that assure my death yeah which which by the way the life
02:49:39.100expectancy of canadians has gone down right i don't know if you've had speakers talk about that
02:49:42.960and then that's absolutely not talked about in the mainstream media but uh our life expectancy
02:49:47.940peaked uh around uh 2020 and then people say oh it's just because of covid no no no no no
02:49:52.900No, life expectancy, like when the government publishes their tables before the end of this year, in the tables, there'll be life expectancy at year zero, which is at birth.
02:50:02.540And the life expectancy of a kid born today in 2025 is significantly lower than a kid born in 2018.
02:50:10.740And it's not because the kid got the COVID or the COVID vaccine, but the actuaries, the people that are making these predictions are already forecasting that we will live a shorter life.
02:50:21.340because i'm i'm guessing is because of maid and other factors but but things have happened to
02:50:27.300you know humanity our gains our advances in science to keep us alive longer are being offset
02:50:32.880by things designed to kill us sooner it's like my wife she's going to be giving birth in a couple
02:50:39.380months if she wants to have a private room for the delivery that's going to be i think six hundred1.00
02:50:45.580dollars but if she wants a team of hags to inject poison into her and kill her that's free yeah you0.98
02:50:53.220know this this sounds like a like a fucking fireside comic i'm describing that this is me0.99
02:50:57.480again this is me aging and just saying you know look my mind's a boomer comic at this point but0.81
02:51:03.200it does seem i don't keep using the word ludicrous of course but uh i wanted to move on to one of
02:51:09.380the main topics that we're getting to a little late actually you know what let me just circle
02:51:13.160back to something i forgot to mention the very very start we're talking about being outdoors
02:51:18.920i saw a title of a youtube short that i did not watch but the title caught my eye
02:51:25.500where you had claimed you had an encounter with bigfoot now is that true was i fibbed too
02:51:34.020no you was a story no no i i i've had a couple where i do make fun you know i often encounter
02:51:41.280um weird unexplained structures in the wilderness and so i've gotten into the we could spend the
02:51:47.820rest of the time just on this alone yeah yeah so i've i've taken the time of videotaping some of
02:51:52.000those but but i think the video you're referring to that short i did have an encounter two two
02:51:56.140years ago around christmas time i was i was literally uh it was it wasn't a big foot it
02:52:02.920was probably a big cougar or something like that but i was sitting on the uh in a cabin in the
02:52:07.240back country late at night with some friends we're playing some tragically hip of all things we're
02:52:11.540talking it's dark it's pitch black and i had a headlight on my on my forehead and then i got
02:52:17.900up to move and when i turned the headlight shined on something and i scared an animal that was
02:52:25.440trying to move past us around us quietly and it was like a big cat and it screeched like it screamed
02:52:33.220it sends shivers down our pines and so that's that video is uh it was i needless to say i
02:52:40.720walked into the cabin after that i'm like i'm done i'm going if you weren't in a cabin let's
02:52:46.300say you're just out there maybe there's something you wouldn't do but if you're out there just in
02:52:50.400tents uh what would the approach be there would you uh just reach for the bear spray just yeah
02:52:57.180yeah i mean uh make the fire big like in it when i'm when i'm in a cabin like that because there
02:53:02.820little cabins i wouldn't have a fire outside but if i'm if i'm outside it would just the tent the
02:53:09.220fire provides an incredible amount of protection so at night especially in winter we'll keep a fire
02:53:13.620going as long as possible and then um that keeps the animals at bay but otherwise we do have bear
02:53:20.180sprays which would which is our last line of defense but our i mean the the reality is like
02:53:25.620that animal was trying to get around us that animal didn't want to be spotted i scared it
02:53:29.780because i accidentally shined my light on it but that animal was doing what it does which is
02:53:33.940trying to avoid contact with us he just happened to be coming down the valley and trying to go
02:53:38.100around us i i i've the only real encounters i've had with animals in the wilderness are the ones
02:53:44.100were very accidental where i'm coming around a bend on the trail quietly and then i'll startle
02:53:50.120a bear uh and even then they'll i've rarely been charged and people find this funny but the animal
02:53:56.780in the wilderness that's because animals they don't want to do they don't want anything to do
02:54:00.980with humans they just don't they just don't uh but the the number one uh my nemesis in the
02:54:06.300wilderness is porcupines really they're they're ruthless they they they they want the boots they
02:54:12.980want the the salt on my boots they want the salt on the straps of my backpack they they will keep
02:54:18.260coming back into camp they'll grab the backpack from underneath the tent haul it away they do a
02:54:23.460lot of damage i can smell them if i walk into an area and i can smell a porcupine i'm going to walk
02:54:29.120another 10 kilometers and go set up camp somewhere else i hate porcupines so encounters with bears
02:54:34.980uh what sorts of bears have you encountered over here in ontario we tend to just have black bears0.96
02:54:40.240which are no big deal they're very pretty docile i need fucking doritos all day yeah yeah no i i
02:54:47.520haven't uh i'd say on average i haven't encountered with black bears every three days on the trail0.93
02:54:52.780which means two or three in a given year uh in my years on the trail one encounter with a grizzly
02:54:58.880a very close encounter uh very lucky he decided to bluff at the last second um otherwise i one of
02:55:06.520us i was with another friend and one of us would have been in trouble that day if that bear decided
02:55:10.720to to we just caught him off guard near a river could you put me in the scene a bear bluffing0.92
02:55:18.560what does that look like what's the what's going through so so um stupidly we had seen evidence of
02:55:25.760this bear earlier that it you know whatever 30 minutes earlier we'd seen a big pile of scat on
02:55:32.600on the river along the river and i joked i even have it on video i said i hope we don't meet this
02:55:38.000big boy and then and then we're just hiking along casually to a little bit too close to a river but
02:55:44.160there was trees between us and the river and my buddy just yelled bear and when somebody yells
02:55:50.300bear instinctively i'm expecting them to be pointing to a bear so as soon as he yelled bear0.96
02:55:55.820i turned to him to see where he was pointing i was like holy shit this bear was running full
02:56:00.940full speed towards us he was charging us and i tried to turn and grab my bear spray which is on
02:56:07.660my hip and i was kind of fumbling with it and and my buddy was also fumbling with his and the bear
02:56:13.440came and stopped within about six feet of us and he just went like a big snort noise and then he
02:56:22.440turned around and ran the other way so that's what we mean by a bluff so he was just running at us
02:56:26.900he's ran up and went psych he went psych he's running at us or she most likely she was a female
02:56:33.920running towards us what that means is while she was doing that her cubs which were nearby
02:56:38.460would have scattered in the opposite direction so what she's doing is she's just buying time for her
02:56:43.920cubs and not interested in an encounter with us because that could be damaging and risky to her
02:56:49.500so she just that's left us that's very interesting because you've made a liar out of me i said0.99
02:56:54.000something to someone the other day just talking out of my ass as usual talking about how man if0.99
02:56:59.580you ever counter a mama bear with her cubs in the wild by accident you're gonna they're gonna kill0.99
02:57:06.420you because but this is the first of course that was based on nothing that was based off of me
02:57:11.800watching grizzly man like 12 years ago but i didn't know they did that i didn't know that
02:57:19.520they would like they're they're fully you know depending on the time of year they're in um
02:57:24.240they're in um bears are particularly efficient they don't want to waste time they they're
02:57:30.900scavenging they don't want to fight fighting for any animal a fight is a risk so they're
02:57:36.360in the same mindset as us in the wilderness like we they're minimizing their risk they're
02:57:41.360minimizing the amount of calories they consume and the energy they use and everything else so
02:57:46.220they're very very efficient so yes that's what they do the the i've seen birds do it i mean i've
02:57:51.320seen little birds do it where where the the grouse will come along the trail and you wonder why she's
02:57:57.320she's coming towards us and hissing and meanwhile the little the little uh chicks are like
02:58:03.560scurrying away and so she's just distracting us from her chicks and bears do the same thing so0.62
02:58:10.800the cubs will run go climb a tree and then mom will go and rejoin them shortly after
02:58:14.940let me ask you this i don't know if you've had many chances to use your bear spray but i always
02:58:20.400wondered how effective bear spray would be in these situations let's say a bear is charging
02:58:25.860at you could you deploy that bear spray and would it stop in its tracks would that maybe enrage it
02:58:31.060more like what do you think no no no it it uh so um i've never deployed it i've had it in my hands
02:58:37.840several times um there's there's a an incredible body of evidence that bear spray works very
02:58:46.460effectively more effectively than a shotgun shot or anything else like it just it works very well
02:58:51.580now i've deployed it on myself twice so um you know like it it's it's uh it's it's not a it's
02:59:01.120not a pleasant thing you just checking to see if the safety's off no both times were accidents
02:59:06.140right one time was the bear spray there's a little cap on the bear spray to make sure that
02:59:10.180the trigger is kind of locked and you have to pull that off quickly and so my bear spray is always on
02:59:15.720my it was on my backpack and then i was stuffing my pack back into the back of my truck at the end
02:59:21.200of the day and trying to push it around and then the the spray just went and hit me right in the
02:59:26.740face so okay what was that like for a human it's debilitating it's like it's it's you're you're
02:59:34.140you're crying you're incapable of seeing anything your face burns your eyes are burning you're
02:59:39.460making bare noises at that point you're making every noise imaginable you can't see water what
02:59:44.740won't help you're you're you're you're trying to find anything in your bag that's oil-based you
02:59:50.180know but there's none of those things usually when i'm hiking i mean you'd want you'd want milk or
02:59:55.240something to try to water will just make it worse i'm just laughing at me doing such a bad job of
03:00:01.540being outdoors you talked about uh accidentally rolling your ankle if you're in the middle of
03:00:06.160nowhere then that's it's very real what do you do but just being in trekking up a mountain and
03:00:12.000then still bear spraying yourself in the face you can't do anything i i probably have a collection
03:00:17.620of about 10 bear spray cans downstairs currently and i just find him on the trail all the time
03:00:22.800which i find i always wonder if people are deploying them and then drop them in the panic
03:00:27.940or if they just lose them if they're just losing them while they're on the trail they're losing
03:00:31.960their number one form of defense but i find bear sprays all the time it's just people walking on
03:00:36.860the trail just trying to like twirl it in their hands like a pistol and just dropping it yeah
03:00:40.800something like that people just loving having bear spray too much i have videos that show how they
03:00:47.140work i keep old bear sprays and i and i do i deploy them in winter just to show people how
03:00:53.520because they're stained they're usually orange or yellow so i use them in winter to show people that
03:00:58.360you want to hang on you want to hold on till the last minute if that bear is charging you
03:01:02.860you don't spray it when it's 20 feet away you have to be ballsy and wait until it's like four
03:01:08.440feet away and then discharge it now is that a feature or a bug because you would almost wish
03:01:14.580that could go a bit farther or do they do that on purpose do you think um i'm looking for range
03:01:21.280on this thing i want to hit the range is 20 feet the range is 20 feet and but it's you know but as
03:01:26.700you as it spreads out it becomes much sure it'll hit a bigger area but in less concentration so to
03:01:33.360be super effective you wait until the animal is close on you and then it's going to get a full
03:01:38.000full full blast in the face well i guess you would need that to assure that it is a self-defense
03:01:43.160situation you're not just a bear spray sniper seeking out victims in the wild we we we have
03:01:50.280to sign off on them right like when you go buy a bear spray you have to uh sign a little piece
03:01:55.380of paper declaring uh that you are using it uh as intended only against uh wild animals you can't
03:02:02.040use a you can't legally defend yourself as a jogger for instance against an assailant in
03:02:08.020Canada it's no different than a firearm you cannot use it be considered excessive force and not in
03:02:13.100Canada to use bear spray against a person I assume that any woman or nine out of ten women buying
03:02:19.220bear spray are not using it for bears I got one for my daughter I got a smaller canister for her
03:02:26.320and I tell her just keep it on your bag when you go walk your dog maybe a coyote could come at you
03:02:31.220someday and then use it against the coyote but more likely that's what I told her if somebody
03:02:35.120if you got somebody uncomfortable that's following you don't be shy just turn around
03:02:39.400and give them a blast of bear spray better be safe than sorry now and then come see me and
03:02:45.840i'll deal with it after you know we'll just burn the bear spray um i wanted to ask you about this
03:02:51.800because this is really the heart of the matter i wanted to talk to you about um i was uh i'm
03:02:57.200gonna try and pull this up on screen here just uh this is a tweet that you had made just to give
03:03:02.960some context here um this is quite a long tweet you had said he said these are my profile pictures
03:03:08.640from over the years they do not need to be lectured on the importance of alberta independence
03:03:13.120and then you've got various banners from your x page over the years all about alberta alberta
03:03:19.440independence the west's federal party um i was hoping we could speak a bit about the independent
03:03:26.800alberta movement you know we've mentioned a couple times on the show never really gotten deep into it
03:03:31.120I know there's a lot of discourse going on right now about Alberta separatism.
03:03:37.900And I just thought, who better to ask than an enthusiastic defender of Alberta?
03:03:44.740What's going on with the Alberta independence movement?
03:03:55.560But, you know, there's a large group of the Alberta population that remembers a really good time in Alberta.
03:04:08.780Like, Alberta was prosperous in the 1990s and, you know, prior to Trudeau getting elected.
03:04:15.440and um and and and we're there's a realization especially after the last election that more and
03:04:25.180more confederation the way it exists is kind of broken right like i mean it it like it was
03:04:31.100common in alberta let me let me go back a little bit like when i was younger in alberta like in
03:04:35.2201980 in alberta on election night you know the only way you got the election results was by
03:04:40.140watching the cbc and and and the polls didn't close here until eight so the cbc by law would
03:04:46.660not share what was happening in the rest of canada until eight o'clock and at eight o'clock when the
03:04:51.360polls closed in alberta we turned on the cbc and we would see the results of the election in the
03:04:55.680rest of the country and we would have lost and we had already lost you know uh the country would
03:05:00.120have already gone liberal and our vote didn't matter elections are always called by by whoever
03:05:08.320before the votes are even counted in alberta so and but and we got used to that because people
03:05:15.500kind of let us it didn't really matter because we were prosperous people let us do our own thing no
03:05:20.480matter what but in the last 20 years 10 20 years i mean it started with trudeau senior with the
03:05:26.300with the national energy program but but trudeau junior took it way farther right it it wasn't
03:05:32.960about um we'd be happy if they just let us alone but they don't leave us alone they're they're
03:05:38.000trying to stop our oil they're trying to um you know uh take away our firearms uh keep us out of
03:05:45.120national parks do all sorts of things and so we're we're getting a bum deal and and and it's not that
03:05:50.760we're not and not only are we not getting help but we're or or or a fair deal we're getting
03:05:56.740pushed down and and so people are getting fed up really fed up and then the election of carny
03:06:04.000just put a lot of people over the top so basically that you know alberta is getting a bum deal
03:06:09.120and we don't see a way voting ourselves out of this never been able to so is the alberta
03:06:15.860separatist movement growing absolutely it is because nowadays um we're we're out in force
03:06:22.640talking about these things i belong to the alberta prosperity project which is a homegrown
03:06:29.700non-political it's not a political party it's just a movement it's just an entity
03:06:34.420and they are going around educating the population on that bum deal on why alberta uh why confederation
03:06:43.140doesn't work for alberta these guys and i've attended about 16 events so far this year i got
03:06:49.780one on monday next week and another one and they've they've we have more members than the
03:06:55.460conservative party of alberta then so you know we have like 30 or 40 000 actual members and we've
03:07:03.860been collecting signatures because we're trying to get a referendum on uh a sovereignty referendum
03:07:11.620we have a question that we put forward um and we want to get a referendum in alberta in order to
03:07:17.860get a referendum we only need we need to collect 170 000 on paper signatures validated by
03:07:25.460by justices of the peace or notaries or people like that and so we're not collecting the signatures
03:07:31.460on paper yet but we've collected the intent to sign the petition uh electronically so electronically
03:07:39.060we have like 220 000 people who've who've signed up saying that when we come to their door with the
03:07:44.980paper they will sign the petition and and the petition uh by law is supposed to uh danielle
03:07:53.380smith the premier said that you know we we have laws in this in our province i think every province
03:07:57.540has similar laws if we show up at the premier's office with a petition with 170 000 names
03:08:03.860with a specific referendum uh a separation question she will she will put it up as a
03:08:09.460referendum the hurdle right now is that a non-elected uh bureaucrat the the the chief
03:08:17.780electoral officer of Alberta saw the question that we proposed and rather than just accept it
03:08:25.500he decided to immediately pass it on to the to the Alberta Superior Court I think he actually
03:08:32.400he's passed it on to a no he's passed it on to the Alberta Superior Court and he wants the court
03:08:36.360to rule on the constitutionality of the question so does that mean they take this movement fairly
03:08:44.040seriously if they're trying to throw obstacles in your way like that just to slow it down
03:08:48.220yes is there significant or any overlap between the alberta independence movement and the 51st
03:08:56.960state movement like how how dependent is this movement on a strong relationship trade or
03:09:05.120otherwise with america no i mean i i think that that's uh well i think there's two parts to your
03:09:12.380question but the first part is the the 51st state is only something that came up during the the
03:09:17.700carney administration uh campaign right i mean it was a it was a way to vilify us already right so
03:09:23.720nobody nobody prior to carney's the one who invented this 51st state we never talked 51st
03:09:29.420state here and trump trump i mean didn't help right trump's comments during the election like
03:09:33.960i'm going to take over canada that didn't help are there a few people in alberta who talked 51st
03:09:38.860state sure but it but fundamentally it's not um it's it's we don't even talk about it the confusion
03:09:46.240is that some people who some of the senior leadership of the alberta prosperity project
03:09:51.700have already gone down to the u.s and talked to the trump administration because um we're we're
03:09:58.880feeling them out to know trump's appetite for supporting an independent alberta and it's a very
03:10:04.600it's it's it's high i mean we all you know you you can read about a lot of that online
03:10:09.020trump's already thrown his support behind alberta um and and the reason we did that it is it is it
03:10:16.060is a necessary step i mean quebec did the same thing during their referendum in the early 90s
03:10:20.320they went to france and they had an agreement with france if quebec's referendum uh whatever
03:10:25.400the last one in 1995 the one where they just lost by you know the thinnest of margin if quebecers
03:10:31.140had voted 51 in favor of separating from the rest of canada on election night within hours france
03:10:38.020would have recognized quebec as an independent state or or nation so so alberta the alberta
03:10:44.580prosperity project is setting the groundwork for that with the us right now and that's that's
03:10:49.220confused by a lot of people as as 51st state language the reality is um we we couldn't not
03:10:58.020canada not alberta could become a 51st state it's very complicated to become a 51st state even if
03:11:02.840like if trump wants us to be the 51st state the only way he does it is through force and invasion
03:11:07.780but but by doing it with diplomacy and and legally uh you know we would have to adopt uh an american
03:11:15.200style constitution and show a whole bunch of other steps and um we we we wouldn't be nobody's near
03:11:23.260ready to be a 51st state that's the argument that we were making on the show that just taking at
03:11:28.820face value the desire to make the entire country a single 51st state is a profoundly unserious
03:11:35.260proposition but i don't even think it was supposed to be totally serious it was just to cause enough
03:11:40.940political discombobulation to perhaps dislodge some of the provinces like we're seeing right now
03:11:47.820you know because if we're being honest from what i can see it looks like alberta albert albert is
03:11:54.260the most attractive province to go after like maybe manitoba i don't see british columbia as
03:12:01.580particularly attractive for annexation ontario certainly not quebec is a giant headache no one
03:12:08.240wants the east coast like honestly it just seems to be alberta yeah yeah and even alberta by um
03:12:15.460Um, comparatively speaking, I mean, we, we, we are barely Republican by their standards, right? So, um, yeah, no, I agree. I mean, if, if Alberta became a 51st state, based on their electoral college, how many votes would we get and, and, and so forth.
03:12:33.400And I dare say there'd be places like California and New York would oppose Alberta joining vigorously.
03:12:43.880I mean, I think I think I think the would I want to be an American state?
03:12:49.260Me personally, no. I mean, my family's been here for so long.
03:12:52.020I'm I'm I'm I'm attached to this land and and I'd love to be an Albertan first.
03:12:57.140i'd love to i i hope i get to see an independent alberta in my lifetime and and maybe 30 years as
03:13:04.060an independent alberta and then perhaps join the u.s but you know mathematically we don't need to
03:13:09.080do it i mean uh uh the the country of alberta with uh five to six million people would have a
03:13:14.680gdp of like 350 million you know dollars a year which puts us right up there we'd be a g30 nation
03:13:22.560like overnight so can I ask you a very large very vague question let's blue sky this entire thing
03:13:31.960because there's reasons people have for why it might not work I want to hear what the dream
03:13:38.340scenario is what does the perfect outcome for an independent Alberta what does that look like
03:13:44.080because let's you know one fear is that it would seem inevitable that not just Alberta but any
03:13:50.940province would fall under the economic and cultural jurisdiction of america eventually but let's say
03:13:57.240that doesn't happen what's the best case scenario for an independent alberta for me it it's it's not
03:14:03.320very complicated it's um it's people voting for independence and we become independents but we
03:14:09.980have to re we have to reset to zero i mean i'm i like i said earlier we're not going to vote our
03:14:15.200way out of this mess and i don't think our constitution is a very good piece of paper i
03:14:19.000Like I do. One thing I do like about the Americans is their constitution.
03:14:23.460So an independent Alberta to me is a is a chance to restart from fresh.
03:14:29.660We're barely having those discussions right now because we're being told just dive into it, just become independent and then worry about it.
03:14:36.000But that that doesn't sell well. So we're starting to talk about it.
03:14:39.520An independent Alberta would be a republic of some sort.
03:14:42.220It would have to, you know, abandon the monarchy, abandon the Westminster system, abandon and go more to a republic with more elected, a total transformation of how how we operate as a society.
03:14:58.500Well, not total. I mean, we have a few things that seem to work OK or policing works.
03:15:03.340We don't need to start over with policing and perhaps the courts.
03:15:07.360But that's what I want is a is a fresh start.
03:15:12.220I tell you, I'm hearing more positive energy behind this than in Quebec, and, you know, Quebec always beats a drum about separatism, but almost in a non-serious way, these days especially, but in Alberta, the government is treating it like it's more real than these other accusations.
03:15:35.020Serious Quebecers, even the most serious Quebecers are, I would say, delusional.
03:15:39.800Like in terms of, you know, they honestly think that there's a lot of Quebecers who, sorry, let me rephrase that.
03:15:49.740The serious Quebecers know that they won't, they wouldn't stand a chance as an independent Quebec.
03:16:53.580And then we get accused, sorry, I got to drink a sip of water here. And we get told the contrary, that we would be the landlocked economic basket case. I'm like, that's coming from people who really don't understand what's going on in the world and the resources that we have and the mindset that we have.
03:17:14.780I get the sense that hypothetically, if Alberta were to separate it, it could very well cause a domino effect. And I'm wondering, and again, this is a very large question. Do you see any other provinces that could make a go at it similar to Alberta? You know, I don't know what Ontario would be. Maybe it could. The, you know, BC is kind of a mess. Manitoba, Saskatchewan, like, who do you think could follow in Alberta's footsteps?
03:17:44.780Um, well, definitely, uh, uh, uh, Saskatchewan's completely aligned with us already.
03:17:50.820I mean, from, you know, the Saskatchewan are almost, I call Saskatchewan brothers.
03:17:55.300They're not cousins, they're brothers, uh, British Columbia are cousins.
03:18:00.080And, um, you know, so Saskatchewan would come along pretty quick.
03:18:05.280And again, Saskatchewan would have to pass its own referendum and secede from, from Canada
03:18:14.780uh let's say alberta does separate the the it's it could cause a domino effect but this is also
03:18:20.860the other reality if alberta separates um canada if you look at the election results of the last
03:18:28.38030 years worth of elections without alberta if you subtract alberta from the election results
03:18:33.500alberta canada would have never been conservative not even under the harper era so the conservatives
03:18:39.260would have never the only reason there's been some conservative governments in the last 30 years in
03:18:44.700canada is because of alberta but otherwise once alberta is gone the country will never vote
03:18:50.700conservative ever again it will be liberal forever so then under that scenario how many provinces
03:18:56.300would want to leave so you know it would be so funny if so hang on one second but under that
03:19:02.540scenario uh if alberta leaves i think the country will implode and realize it's broken that's what's
03:19:08.700going to happen like it it's it would be it will be absolutely unsustainable the current state of
03:19:13.420of canada without alberta i was just laughing at the idea that alberta does cause a domino effect
03:19:19.060and over time canada just reforms without ontario just every like the laurentian elite is boxed out
03:19:27.920and that's it everything's better now which is the other interest the the flip side of what i just
03:19:32.420said is if quebec ever leaves the province the country will never be liberal ever again
03:19:36.800so if quebec leaves there's enough conservatives in the rest of the country so i mean i that's the
03:19:43.400only saving grace people have said to me like what would change your mind i mean you know they they
03:19:47.540saw that i campaigned hard for poiliev in the last election i'm like that just buys time i mean
03:19:52.200poiliev is better than carney and trudeau so i was just trying to buy time and and stop the
03:19:57.080hemorrhaging um but but at the end of the day a carney victory didn't upset me that greatly
03:20:02.980because it it just it just gave more um you know it it boosted our independence movement
03:20:09.140But a Quebec separating, that's a different story. If Quebec separated tomorrow, would I be pro-separatism in Alberta? Probably. But again, you'd buy more time.
03:20:20.460That's interesting. Do you think it's inevitable, the separation? Because even in the US, you don't hear about, you know, Texas separating that much. But there is talk of inevitable civil war. And that's part of the discourse. But do you think separatism of Alberta is inevitable?
03:20:39.140i think it's inevitable but i don't think it'll happen this go around so uh actually i i gotta
03:20:48.420rephrase that maybe it's not inevitable one of the things that worries me is the out of control
03:20:52.740immigration and the fact that like even when i talk about um independence in alberta a lot0.96
03:20:58.740of people go oh marty you're just you know you're just upset because it's not as good as it was in
03:21:04.5001990 i'm like damn right i'm upset it's not as good as 1990 and i and i also know what's possible
03:21:10.180but the reality is we're not going to win the referendum tomorrow because there's literally a
03:21:15.460million people who came to alberta in the last 15 years and for them alberta is still paradise
03:21:20.900compared to where they came from so they don't quite understand why why we're complaining so
03:21:27.700and then we've had we've had three by-elections at the provincial level this year that showed that
03:21:34.260the the ndp still has a 40 stronghold in the popular vote so i think we're
03:21:43.060one and one question that hasn't been answered by the by the referendum or by the elections alberta
03:21:48.580is is would a referendum be satisfied with 50 plus one like a just a normal majority or would
03:21:55.940they require a super majority if it's 50 plus one maybe we have a chance if they make it a super
03:22:01.860majority we don't have a chance not yet we would need a lot more education will an independent
03:22:06.980alberta be accepting any ontarian refugees yes but i tell i yes absolutely but i tell everybody
03:22:14.900always don't take a chance and wait come now come be part of the fight because once we become an
03:22:21.380independent country we might close the door for a while um but the other thing pragmatically i get
03:22:27.540into this argument with people all the time is you'll just appear as opportunistic right like
03:22:32.480like you know don't wait for it don't don't don't wait to see the outcome of the battle if you're
03:22:38.140if you truly want to live here come now well you know what you convinced me because how many how
03:22:45.820many people uh do we know all throughout the country who are very seriously discussing leaving
03:22:51.600the country maybe the first time in their lives but maybe you can escape to alberta it's it's a
03:22:57.560it's a nice big place um i just wanted to call people's attention one last time to uh your
03:23:04.900your account here um this is the main place that i know you from it's your x account uh you don't
03:23:13.220post that much on youtube anymore however i encourage people to check out your youtube and
03:23:20.060all of your outdoors videos i think we need to start wrapping up now because that was the main
03:23:25.740thing i want to talk about because i never really you know overhearing i'll have to come back on
03:23:30.540another show to talk about energy right we wanted to talk about energy which which yeah i want to
03:23:35.340talk about engineering and i want to get my co-host on because um he had made a claim recently we were
03:23:40.740talking about artificial intelligence and there's a lot of uh headlines about it being a bubble or
03:23:46.440at least open ai and some of these other companies and uh he's working in robotics right now and he
03:23:51.700said you know here in ontario there's like a a new belt of like a hundred or so ai companies
03:23:58.620they're not pursuing agi they're not trying to create the new skynet they're trying to design
03:24:03.820very narrowly defined industrial applications for artificial intelligence you know something
03:24:10.580like data processing or machine learning in machines things of that nature but it's not just
03:24:15.640this we're going to create a human mind inside the computer but so he was saying that in these
03:24:20.820companies while the agi you know open ai ones may be in a bubble and may go bankrupt but you're
03:24:27.500still going to have these multi-billion dollar other companies that are not terribly sexy or
03:24:33.820electrifying but they actually do something very important for these industries and there's a
03:24:38.880like a boom going on i wouldn't call it a new silicon valley but there's things going on
03:24:45.460in canadian manufacturing right now that my finger's off the pulse of that entirely
03:24:51.560but uh i know i like talking to engineers i like talking to people who actually know what
03:24:56.120they're talking about no that'd be a great chat uh and and for the record i worked for ibm
03:25:01.520uh back in i think it was 2016 17 when when they were they recruited me for a year to help
03:25:08.820train watson which was their form of artificial intelligence to uh diagnose uh problems with oil
03:25:15.780wells uh and and during the interview i can be like what what uh what they liked about me is i
03:25:21.700described an oil well as a person with you know um with with a whatever a respiratory system and a
03:25:29.140circulatory system and and living in a different environment and and when i was talking like that
03:25:34.100they just like they just all started smiling because watson used to diagnose uh medical
03:25:39.140issues was already something they were working on so um yeah no i'd love to talk about that
03:25:43.940yeah yeah and just trying to be not more optimistic about because i'm reading this book
03:25:49.200um that was published i think in the 70s called fight for canada and it's the history of american
03:25:56.460and canadian relations and attempts from america because i'm really trying to understand the
03:26:29.940long ago with some very interesting people
03:26:32.040And someone had made a good point that says maybe the singular defining characteristic, at least in Ontario, of the loyalist streak, it is being in opposition to America.
03:26:44.060And I started thinking maybe that's the only thing that actually unites people is being anti-American.
03:26:49.600And then there was this book that goes down into all of these, like the history of the Avro Arrow being discontinued.
03:26:56.900Like there's some big – there's projects that Canada could have pursued to centralize its manufacturing base and its national sovereignty.
03:27:08.300And then Canadian shipping, for example, is absolutely decimated by choice by prime ministers at the time.
03:27:15.180Mackenzie King doesn't get away very easily in this.
03:27:18.340but it's it's it's one of the travesties of actually maybe we'll leave it for another show
03:27:26.320i talk about this all the time the fact that we don't have a shipbuilding industry is is uh and0.55
03:27:31.740we used to we used to have so many fucking ships and we used to have so much going on we convinced
03:27:37.760ourselves along the way on so many ideas we we had head starts on so many great enterprises and0.96
03:27:45.080technologies and domains and then we shot ourselves in the foot or somebody else did it for us
03:27:50.060and we've convinced ourselves to not do what we were good at it's it's a fascinating chap
03:27:55.080maybe it is part of the psyche of the canadian psyche like you know don't do anything you're
03:27:59.880good at like if you get too good at doing something stop doing it and do something
03:28:03.240mediocre like we we we've we we we've punched above our weight class so many times in history
03:28:10.900and then stop doing it it was like oh we're oh no no no no silver metal is good enough like we've
03:28:16.540always been afraid to get the gold this is not i'm not trying to be overly nationalistic but there
03:28:22.420were periods in the mid to early 20th century where foreign dignitaries would report being amazed
03:28:29.580at the industrial capacity and just the technological skills of canada it really was
03:28:36.940standing out on the world stage and then something happened and i think it was just
03:28:41.180self-destruction there's no other way to put it but when people say what does a robust
03:28:47.600manufacturing sector look like in canada some people would hear that and say oh well we've
03:28:52.960never had one before we don't know i'm like no we did have one like so you know it is possible
03:28:58.360oh during world war ii i mean we were cranking out uh bombers along you know sure they were
03:29:04.920under license from american designs but we were making bombers and trucks and our our military
03:29:10.600industrial complex in world war ii right up into the 1950s was absolutely you know second to the
03:29:16.180americans that's about it i mean we we de-industrialized ourselves in the 1960s and i
03:29:22.440and i don't know why exactly yeah i have no idea why we did it no idea and and then and then and
03:29:29.460then we briefly shifted to an extraction industry oil and minerals and then we tried to
03:29:35.700de-extract ourselves so yeah no yeah yeah yeah it traces the history to you know foreign ngos
03:29:44.520but even domestic ngos like any you know massive phenomenon like this is actually seven different
03:29:51.540things that caused it but it is the politicians some of them being bought some of them truly
03:29:57.420believing that they don't want their country to be to represent this they want to be a 21st century
03:30:04.080globalist service-based economy they feel that and they don't leave it up to a vote so there's
03:30:09.440all these different forces at work there that will be for the next time that we speak
03:30:13.400but i'm glad we got to discuss bigfoot encounters and um and how to make a more weaponized bear
03:30:23.580spray anyway man it was great having you on i had such a fantastic time thank you so much for taking
03:30:29.320the time you're a busy man i'm going to let you go now is there anything uh you'd like to bring
03:30:33.920attention to before we leave no are you doing uh thank you for this show you know bring me back
03:30:40.040anytime great chat and yeah tell people uh yeah come find me on marty up north and make a comment
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