Blood Satellite - CONFESSIONS OF A SLOPULIST DARKETER

00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be

00:00:07.700 blood satellite i was in fortisax's chat earlier today and he's a working man he's got a new job

00:00:24.980 and uh he's talking about how the office life is for a guy like him this guy's never worked in an

00:00:31.480 office before white collar job right yeah so sometimes i forget that you know i've been so 0.63

00:00:38.040 immersed in that fucking world for so long and i've been so traumatized by i forget what it's 0.97

00:00:43.980 like if you just walk in and there's women behaving strangely and there's all these rules 1.00

00:00:50.040 of engagement you need to learn just to survive otherwise you're in front of hr and you're

00:00:55.880 fighting for your life every day anyway he's at a potluck he's gotta participate in a potluck which

00:01:02.340 is one grand humiliation ritual you hear this funny story that um as he's telling me these

00:01:10.480 stories i'm beginning to relive them and noticing how strange they are because he's at a very large

00:01:14.720 organization and sometimes if you're in these massive orgs they'll have big events they'll have

00:01:20.500 big christmas parties or sometimes awards shows can you fucking believe that like they actually 0.68

00:01:26.460 give awards to each other and they rent a space people get dressed up right people get a little 1.00

00:01:35.420 loosey-goosey and uh we're just bandering back forth and i said like you know it's mostly women

00:01:41.500 right it's like 70 women and the ones who show up the most ready are women and i just said you know

00:01:47.800 this is just prom for them these are girls who probably didn't have a good prom now they get to 0.98

00:01:53.040 do it again and then he was reporting live from me he's like dude it fucking is like they are into 0.98

00:01:59.200 it they're taking selfies they're like posting it on instagram like this is their night they're the 0.99

00:02:06.420 bell of the ball and these women are all like 1.00

00:02:08.280 35 and fat 1.00

00:02:10.000 and it's over they're

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00:02:24.200 an ironic trucker hat

00:02:26.080 thrown on them spiritually all of this

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00:02:33.820 their souls is what I'm talking about

00:02:35.720 yeah anyway so i could always had a potluck and uh he said that he was the only guy who brought

00:02:42.260 meat he brought a big i saw a rotisserie chicken which is an odd amount of chicken

00:02:50.000 you know like it's not enough for everyone and it's also and it's also like you who's who's

00:02:54.460 serving it i wonder if he brought like a carving knife and he actually took it apart i think it's

00:02:59.420 appropriate for one man to eat a whole chicken i don't think it's appropriate for an entire group

00:03:04.980 to get served it like that you gotta bring it kind of pre-cut up i could imagine him too

00:03:10.600 bringing a fruit history chicken and eating the whole thing to himself but not being like a weirdo

00:03:15.740 about it like sitting at the middle of the table and making conversation with everyone while eating

00:03:20.480 this entire chicken he should have yeah it would have been such a power move yeah

00:03:24.180 can you imagine going into a meeting with your boss let's say you're already in trouble

00:03:29.340 let's say you're already getting dressed down in the afternoon by your boss and you enter in with

00:03:35.860 a rotisserie chicken and you're just eating it while it's happening on a paper plate that you

00:03:41.800 set on his desk that's such a barbarian's meal you know it's just that is that is a man on a

00:03:48.140 mission who's who's like he's like i'm eating for fuel this is 100 dead thing that gives me power 0.97

00:03:56.180 and uh and there's a lot of left over there's a lot of fucking bones and it's just someone else's 0.81

00:04:01.580 problem but it really that his experience really took me back to what it was like for me when i 0.89

00:04:07.840 was working in offices you know i was trying out this new character i don't even really

00:04:13.360 understand yet i'm trying to get my head around it's uh called employed dimes

00:04:18.280 that's that's that's a rough one i mean how do you i don't even know how you yeah man dimes 0.99

00:04:26.660 are the job wow i gotta fucking wrap my head around this one i gotta dip dip my balls in 1.00

00:04:32.080 this one i don't get it i was just laughing at the some you know whatever ham woman has 0.99

00:04:40.740 elected herself the chair of this party committee saying oh thank you guys for bringing in this 0.88

00:04:47.580 barrel of um

00:04:48.740 well what was it again

00:04:50.860 yeah it's a bone broth and

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00:04:54.420 it's been hi

00:04:59.240 hi everyone thank you for carving

00:05:01.500 us some time from your lunch break

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00:05:08.660 Goldstein Goldsmith and Kite Burger

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00:05:26.840 for bringing in something special

00:05:28.940 these are um

00:05:29.900 what is that a uh

00:05:31.720 it's a carton of what does that say

00:05:34.000 smokes yeah 1.00

00:05:36.180 one smoke per bitch 1.00

00:05:37.940 got a punch bowl full of white monster 1.00

00:05:44.720 spiked with 80,000 milligrams of creatine

00:05:47.000 i saw this story and i know this is just like a thread we can pull to unravel

00:05:54.700 some new organized crime syndicate but it was um someone in new zealand was drinking a pop

00:06:02.380 that was from canada somehow and uh it was just a can of meth it's just a way they're smuggling

00:06:10.180 meth oh yeah yeah yeah so no it was beer like canada said it was canadian beer but inside it

00:06:16.260 was like meth precursor and the guy died which is really a skill issue as far as i'm concerned

00:06:21.680 because i think your average canadian man could crush a can of meth yeah tolerance isn't high

00:06:27.300 enough have you seen what we drink over here dimes brought some cans of meth for everyone

00:06:33.780 i brought i brought some some canadian beer to hong kong while i was after uh one year i'd gone

00:06:39.640 home for christmas and i brought a case back and i had everybody try it and i had americans

00:06:44.060 the german latvian and a bunch of chinese from different parts of china and universally every 0.98

00:06:49.200 single one of them said it was dog shit it was the worst thing they've ever had the beer yeah 0.99

00:06:53.100 the beer the beer and it was like one of my favorite beers too so i don't even want to say 0.98

00:06:56.620 what it is now because it's going to sully the name of the beer but this is what i hear from 0.91

00:07:00.580 every different ethnicity and race though they all hate each other's beer yes i mean chinese 0.94

00:07:06.140 they have no right to chinese beer is the absolute worst piss imaginable so i've heard the criticism 0.96

00:07:11.640 of german beer that it all tastes the same there's no variation at all like i've heard

00:07:16.760 like i don't know if there's an agreed upon beer people like like if you if you think heineken's 0.99

00:07:21.880 good you're gonna get like 30 percent of people calling you a faggot if yeah because you're a 0.99

00:07:25.880 faggot if you think heineken's good if you think british british beer i did kind of you know what 1.00

00:07:31.080 the only time i didn't feel that way was being in the uk specifically in the northern uk and 0.99

00:07:35.320 going to like pubs and they have all these ales that are just like warm flat ales which sounds

00:07:40.440 gross but when it's cold drinking warm flat beer is almost like soup it was good yeah we you know

00:07:47.440 you can't get that here really right so i don't know if that was intentional or it's me being

00:07:51.180 weird but like warm flat dark ale so like how it would have been root originally well yeah that's

00:07:57.720 what i'm imagining is like look i'm in i'm i'm filling in a lot of blanks here for all i know 0.53

00:08:02.460 it was just shit and i'm and i'm dolling it up right but yeah i mean maybe that's how it is 0.98

00:08:08.000 supposed to be served yeah what would chinese chinese beers just fucking like that spray icing 0.99

00:08:16.760 chinese beer the thing with chinese beer is it's mostly made with rice like they'll advertise on 0.89

00:08:22.560 the can they'll make a big point of it being partially made with barley because almost all

00:08:26.720 of it's made exclusively with rice and it just is so hard and acidic it's it's just some of the

00:08:33.760 the cheap ones and look i drank these constantly because they're cheap and you can drink publicly

00:08:38.480 in in china so i was an alcoholic but uh but it's it's bad like it actually it like you'll 0.86

00:08:45.340 yourself if you have more than five okay so you can drink and shit yourself publicly in china 0.95

00:08:52.580 but do people do that well i didn't shit myself publicly i shat myself in a how would you know 0.99

00:08:59.240 unless you did once that's true then that's just and you know what we did piss publicly a lot like 0.70

00:09:04.440 we i mean that's just a drunk guy thing but we would go to to the pier and like just piss at a

00:09:09.180 boat or something i think if it's by the water it shouldn't count as publicly yeah exactly i walked

00:09:16.780 all the way to the pier to piss in the ocean that's not public urination like that's i mean 0.99

00:09:20.580 come on that's like that's the one of the cleanest things that would have gone into those chinese 0.98

00:09:26.080 waters that yes fuck yeah did china this is a real dumb question but did you have any counters 0.98

00:09:33.660 the chinese organized crime because i'm thinking like it like there has to be a chinese oh yeah 1.00

00:09:38.160 of course analog of the sopranos it's the it's the triads and they suck they're they're they're 1.00

00:09:43.120 they're essentially their fifth column of the government they don't exist as like they had 0.95

00:09:46.700 the triads the short story here is and i'm gonna fuck this up but the triads were really bad in

00:09:51.980 the mid 80s like they were like it was like la and then the right before the handover they clamped

00:09:59.220 down on them and what they did is they essentially for a few years they the police pulled back and

00:10:05.100 let the triads fight each other they let them have like a gang war to pick a winner to see who they

00:10:09.760 were going to work with the winner essentially got in bed with the with the police so the triads now

00:10:14.640 are essentially a fifth column when there's something the police don't want to deal with

00:10:17.460 they pay the gangs to go do it so we we did in fact cover this pretty extensively on the show

00:10:22.860 i think a couple years ago can i just tell you where my mind was at and i totally forgot we did

00:10:27.660 that but really what i was i was i was just imagining the sopranos and tony soprano on a

00:10:32.840 boat the stugats and i said what if he was chinese so that was all that informed that

00:10:40.420 yeah do they have chinese tony soprano over there you know what they you know what they have you

00:10:47.920 have the guys i've probably told the story before but like you you've seen like the shanghai tuxedo

00:10:52.120 the guys will have a wife beater and they'll roll it up over their pot belly but like that's common

00:10:56.900 with a lot of guys but if you walk by uh an open door mahjong place because mahjong places are

00:11:02.240 supposed to be illegal they're supposed to be like it's like a poker poker club right if you

00:11:05.860 walk by one that's open door and it's got a bunch of old guys with the the uh the beijing tuxedo 0.73

00:11:12.020 smoking cigarettes and there's of course a bunch of prostitutes around you know that it's you know

00:11:16.980 that it's gangs and those are like there's every couple of corners in like in the in kowloon you'll 0.97

00:11:21.520 see these guys it's so funny to be just playing a game like that and there's hookers around and 0.98

00:11:26.300 you're just looking like shit it's bizarre man it's it's otherworldly it's you know what it is 0.96

00:11:30.320 it's like uh it's medieval so how you'd imagine like a warlord with like the with like the the 1.00

00:11:36.980 prize woman or something except that it's just it's just like a mainland woman that he bought 0.99

00:11:40.980 and lives upstairs can i be honest though if i was chinese i'd be that guy fuck yeah of course 0.99

00:11:46.880 oh yeah without question there's only a few types but being that guy you had to be a chinese guy 0.97

00:11:52.340 that's the guy that you want to be like we decided early on to be white and so we said 0.90

00:11:59.300 let's be as white as humanly possible 1.00

00:12:01.860 like if you're Chinese 1.00

00:12:03.600 you better be super fucking Chinese 1.00

00:12:06.040 otherwise why bother 1.00

00:12:08.040 so many of them are caught up

00:12:11.500 trying to be like a white guy from the 80s

00:12:13.860 you're not going to get there

00:12:14.980 we don't even have those anymore

00:12:16.960 just be unforgiving

00:12:18.920 like if I'm Japanese I'm dressing like a samurai 1.00

00:12:21.140 actually I'm going to go 0.99

00:12:25.400 I'm going to live on the subway

00:12:26.920 I'm going to 0.98

00:12:27.740 shut up shut up jab so i was telling you earlier that we got a a real trial this weekend where 0.97

00:12:39.180 we are potty training nickels and um these are on two and a half some people do it earlier some 0.99

00:12:47.120 people do it later for those who are because we get it approached quite a few times by people

00:12:54.520 the listeners of the show friends of the show who've got children of their own some of them

00:12:58.700 are younger most of them are younger than yours uh some of them are younger than mine

00:13:01.920 or you know various ages it doesn't fucking matter but uh they like hearing this stuff 0.67

00:13:07.320 and so hearing my initial reaction to it so uh they'd say you want to get them probably trained

00:13:14.520 but there's certain stipulations that to be in place before or to keep in mind and one of the

00:13:22.000 biggest ones was um to make that transition to using a toilet they need to be honest about what

00:13:30.060 they're doing so like if he soils his diaper if he shits his diaper and you ask hey uh did you poop

00:13:39.180 your diaper they have to say yes but he was in a nasty habit of saying no like he's just lying

00:13:46.160 about it and i think the reason was because he equated changing his diaper to stopping doing

00:13:53.000 whatever he was doing at the moment and he's playing with his toys he's like i don't want

00:13:56.600 to stop playing no i didn't go but i'm like okay well i need you i i can i can tell that you did 0.53

00:14:02.320 stop lying i know you're a liar i see everything i've been saying that a lot to him it's like i 0.66

00:14:06.960 know everything i see everything so if you lie to me i'm gonna know i'm gonna tell santa 1.00

00:14:10.640 i'm gonna tell god so you decide did you shit are you are you are you fucking lying shitter 1.00

00:14:19.040 i'm not saying that 1.00

00:14:21.180 are you are you a liar are you are you a liar who makes fucking turds 1.00

00:14:28.080 don't be a shitter and a liar yeah you can be god god gives with both hands but he also condemns 1.00

00:14:34.780 with both hands and both feet you don't get stomped the fuck out by god for lying about 1.00

00:14:39.520 poop damn there's better things to lie about i'll teach you how to do it catholic dad i'll teach 0.99

00:14:44.880 you how to lie about whatever man i'll teach you you i'm gonna tell you so many good ways to lie 1.00

00:14:49.760 to bitches i can tell you how to gaslight women how to lie to the cops you know tell you a jury 1.00

00:14:55.500 nullification fuck tell me every day you don't know how fucking cool i am man look you got like 1.00

00:15:00.040 a cool dad you got a dad who knows all the tricks in the book i know so many guys i know so many 1.00

00:15:06.880 nasty guys

00:15:08.620 he's gonna be like 0.98

00:15:12.760 nine years old on the schoolyard he's like

00:15:14.980 yeah my dad knows so many nasty

00:15:16.920 guys my dad knows so many 0.89

00:15:19.020 nasty guys and they're gonna call me 0.68

00:15:20.960 the office he's like your son um so you 0.99

00:15:23.040 know nasty guys yeah i know 12 0.95

00:15:24.700 i have 12 nasty guys 0.94

00:15:26.880 you start fronting to the hr 1.00

00:15:29.120 lady on the phone

00:15:30.180 i whip my head around to the 0.52

00:15:32.560 male system like who is that 0.96

00:15:35.220 that's a nasty guy 0.88

00:15:37.540 so what was your job you like it here yeah i like it fine no you don't 0.85

00:15:43.500 you hate this job come over and come work for me

00:15:46.560 come over here come on come to the good side of history you want to be on the 0.99

00:15:51.160 right side of history for once you're a nasty guy you've never been on 0.67

00:15:54.560 the right side he actually stands up and walks over to you 0.97

00:15:58.020 yeah he turns his hat sideways as he sits down

00:16:01.700 I'm still looking at him like, I want you.

00:16:05.240 I want you.

00:16:08.960 This has been 1.00

00:16:09.820 gay sex update. 1.00

00:16:11.320 No, this is what cool guys 1.00

00:16:14.060 do. This is like a cool dad thing.

00:16:18.380 But yeah, so we're

00:16:19.680 by training this weekend.

00:16:20.740 This was like a while ago. This was like a few

00:16:23.260 like a couple months ago. You know, he was being

00:16:25.680 honest about it and he equated it

00:16:27.480 because he knew he was going to get changed anyway.

00:16:29.780 but then also they said not try and schedule it around like big life changing things like

00:16:36.180 we moved in that we're going to do but then we moved into the house and then we're going to do

00:16:39.440 it then some other big then he moved into like his big bed you know he stopped sleeping in a crib a 0.96

00:16:44.760 while ago and he's in like a regular uh boy size bed he's got a nicer fucking mattress than we do 0.99

00:16:51.920 by the way he's got a fucking his bed is so fucking state of the art it's nice disgusting 0.99

00:16:58.520 I saw it. 0.99

00:16:59.080 It's nice.

00:16:59.700 Yeah.

00:17:00.560 And I mean Christ.

00:17:01.720 I mean Christ on the cross, this kid. 1.00

00:17:07.660 16 check with Slovakia. 1.00

00:17:09.100 Hey, God, get on me. 1.00

00:17:10.760 But I used to do it this weekend, and that's going to be no fun.

00:17:13.140 It's just like a concentrated, like, three days of just, you know, trying. 0.56

00:17:18.900 And it's interesting because, you know, when you're watching how you're building K-lines in their brain.

00:17:26.380 like all you're trying to do is like force a connection between i have this feeling in my

00:17:32.700 stomach or in this area go to toilet it's just creating that script whatever it is um now it's

00:17:41.180 difficult with boys because you also need to teach them to pee standing up and there's some debate

00:17:46.540 about whether you do that right away or just like teach them to go go to potty sit down do one or

00:17:52.620 the other and then teach him to pee standing up later yeah you had to get like a stool or something

00:17:57.900 that fits for him to stand in front of the toilet eventually um but now we just have like the this

00:18:02.940 but i'm like i don't want to do that right away i think it's easier just be like you do a bathroom

00:18:06.620 go to potty sit down then once we got that then we do the standing up to pee thing i think that's

00:18:12.700 how i learned as a kid you don't just stand in the sink yeah yeah sink sink pissing from day one

00:18:20.700 and then work backward from there and then he'll be patrician you get them strained on the sink 0.78

00:18:25.740 and then you work your way to the toilet as a secondary option i'm going to teach him to piss 0.91

00:18:31.900 outside i'm going to peach and piss on the side of the house yep in the ocean try and get it away 0.92

00:18:37.660 from foundation get him pissing on that japanese knotweed buddy yeah create a super strain um 0.98

00:18:46.380 um everywhere but the toilet business until it's kind of fucking lame uh pissing in the 0.99

00:18:51.260 toilet's kind of for girls nickels raising him right i'm gonna get him pissing on the seat 0.99

00:18:58.600 mad early it's a dad dad tommy 12 ways 12 rules for dominance it's like 12 rules for life 0.87

00:19:08.700 just assert yourself which is just uh getting in your own way in other people's way

00:19:16.980 that's how i live my life it is rough though that um you know he's got a great relationship

00:19:25.240 with his extended family and especially his grandparents but um it's weird that he's like

00:19:31.620 a toddler age and they all still treat him like a baby like we were at a thanksgiving function

00:19:38.460 that we're holding at our house and uh he's in what they call the terrible twos his mother hates

00:19:43.300 calling it that he doesn't like you know she's got new ideas like no it's not terrible twos it's

00:19:47.920 just like a developmental period and it's not just that they're being terrible it's that they're just 0.96

00:19:52.640 learning a bunch of new shit and they don't know what the boundaries are and they're just like he's 0.96

00:19:58.340 trying out to assert his own dominance right and seeing how far he can take that and so i he's 0.99

00:20:05.140 on two and a half right now and he's in a phase right now where he's saying no a lot not only

00:20:10.260 is he saying no but he's like you know he's actually refusing to eat more than he did before

00:20:16.980 but sometimes he would say no just to say no and but he would end up doing it anyway he's just saying

00:20:21.860 he's just it's a word he likes but now it's like i'm not eating dinner and then he's like now he's

00:20:25.940 stomping his feet like making a big performance about it it is hard to get mad at that because

00:20:32.660 it is funny to see it's funny like he's trying to muster all of his like communicative skills

00:20:40.420 to like pantomime how upset he is like he's clutching the air sometimes in a shakespearean

00:20:46.580 way i'm like i don't know who taught you that that's that's something from your guts man

00:20:51.700 that's so cool but i'm like how do you deal with that and then there was one time the function

00:20:56.420 where he was just he was making too much of a scene in front of people and i had to sort of

00:21:03.300 put my foot down and i had to raise my voice and be a little stern and like snap him out of it

00:21:10.820 and i think that bothered them like not not i'm not screaming at him or in corking on but it's

00:21:16.500 something that you do with your girls it's like look at me stop look at me like you're you're

00:21:21.220 being very serious with them and for some reason i think they like they've never seen that before

00:21:27.940 or they weren't used to it or something yeah and it created a weird vibe but i'm like you

00:21:32.580 are also parents like he's not a baby he's not an infant i'm not yelling at a newborn i'm

00:21:38.900 raising my voice slightly to a child that is manipulating you right now he has the capability

00:21:45.220 to manipulate you and you you you can't just encourage all this he needs to know there's 0.96

00:21:50.180 fucking rules i don't know why i expected anything different knowing that most people are 1.00

00:21:55.440 fucking stupid cattle but yeah i found the same thing when i'm in a social setting like at you 1.00

00:22:01.920 know other people's birthday parties or at you know group of family events but like group events 1.00

00:22:06.300 like we go to like a canada day or something like that right and there's lots of people around and

00:22:10.300 when i discipline the girls i'm not like yelling at them and hitting them but you get on their level

00:22:15.500 you stop them you hold them by the shoulders you make eye contact and you speak sternly

00:22:19.940 and describing serious consequences there's something that somebody else might think is

00:22:25.120 trivial like you know keep your voice down and stay close to me or else x y and z privileges

00:22:31.240 are going to be lost for a week and if i hear you say but you're going straight back home and 0.96

00:22:35.720 there's no more discussion like that and you have to do it and you and i and i fucking do it man 0.81

00:22:40.660 and so like i don't even have to do it that often now because the kids know but like i it's like 0.81

00:22:46.780 they think people seem to think that that okay so my thought was everybody wants you to do that

00:22:54.780 they say they want you to do that but when they see it their heart goes out to the kid and suddenly 0.87

00:22:59.240 you're the fucking bad guy what people want is they want you to do it at home so that you have 0.92

00:23:04.480 the perfect little kid who never misbehaves like sorry kids are kids my kid will be a perfect kid 1.00

00:23:09.120 who doesn't misbehave when she's like 11 maybe when when she's through this stage but she's only 0.98

00:23:14.960 four like four-year-olds are fucking four-year-olds man so like you and if you don't discipline them 0.98

00:23:20.600 in public places like look honestly the shame of being disciplined in front of the public is part 0.99

00:23:25.620 of the reason that it fucking works because they have to know it can happen anywhere they can't

00:23:29.200 know that exactly you're not just because grandma's here doesn't mean you're safe you're not safe 0.98

00:23:33.360 anywhere oh we're at the amusement park so he's powerless here it's like no i i have power

00:23:38.480 everywhere i'm good everywhere i have actually walked out of shopping restaurants parties

00:23:45.140 multiple times to make this point and the other thing is like dinner like when they're not eating

00:23:50.420 i'm like that's cool i literally pick her up over my shoulder either one of them one time both of

00:23:55.020 them at the same time and walk them up to their room put them on their pajamas tuck them into bed 1.00

00:23:59.440 turn the lights off done i'll see you tomorrow over don't don't fuck i don't say fuck but like 1.00

00:24:04.260 don't don't do that so and people are like oh so you're like taking out your anger on them i'm like 1.00

00:24:09.460 you don't understand like if you're not pairing your standards like you understand how much from

00:24:13.740 a place of caring this is all almost and like i don't like that i'm having to do this do you want

00:24:19.500 them to to have discipline do you want them to be organized discipline upright people well and

00:24:25.020 this is what i said i'd say this my wife is on the same page with me by the way she understands

00:24:29.220 and she's actually been in certain instances better than me at this but i'm also like if you

00:24:37.620 i say this to her mother who looks after him from time to time i'm like you can't just do whatever

00:24:43.700 he wants to do that's how you raise a sociopath that's how you rate like it starts now and i tell 0.82

00:24:48.340 them i'm like every bad habit every bad person you've ever met who's manipulative or shitty 1.00

00:24:54.660 or spoiled i'm like this is the age where that fucking shit starts and it gets harder to solve 0.99

00:25:00.820 the older they get so you need to be me i understand you don't want to be mean you're 1.00

00:25:05.460 the grandparents i get that but all i'm asking you to do is not just bend to his every fucking 0.97

00:25:11.060 whim like you can't just have ice cream for dinner because he wants it because you think he's like 0.99

00:25:15.660 five months old now like he's two and a half he can play you like a fucking fiddle and he knows 0.98

00:25:20.920 it and i i don't want you to be in a situation when he's six and he's got your credit cards now 0.98

00:25:28.440 it's kind of over how good are your kids if you didn't do this when they were young let's see

00:25:33.000 let's show me let you show me i'll show you yours you show me yeah and you know what i mean families

00:25:38.200 are weird man i was reading this um a couple of posts one was from that guy a radical liberation

00:25:44.600 who i like he's got like nine kids and um i know of the black horse we've had on the show

00:25:52.760 he's got like five five or six and they're all telling the same story the other day about how um

00:26:00.180 once once you have like more than two sometimes even more than one your entire family starts

00:26:07.320 acting like you're crazy and even worse than that they're or even if you're even if you don't get

00:26:14.100 more than that but you're trying it's like they they will think you're crazy they'll start 0.67

00:26:18.980 insulting you sometimes they're sick they think you're making a mistake with your life or in the

00:26:23.420 instance of i think radical liberation i think his wife was pregnant with his fifth and she was

00:26:31.840 getting taken aside by the nurses and doctors and almost pressured and getting her tubes tied 0.90

00:26:37.700 like no you shouldn't want this and i'm like there's something fucking weird with people man 0.55

00:26:44.160 where like if my children grow up and they want to have nine kids and they can they can support

00:26:49.520 whatever that's their decision like well great that's a miracle man that's beautiful what's

00:26:53.560 like do they think something's wrong with that or wrong with you when you want to do and i don't 0.74

00:26:58.840 fucking get it man like i understand like some people they can't have a ton or they waited too 0.93

00:27:04.000 long or what or they maybe they just don't want to do whatever there's a lot of different reasons 0.98

00:27:08.320 some people aren't cut out for it but for those who are like why would you condemn them or think

00:27:13.920 that they're insane or in the case of the medical industry actually try and like drive a wedge

00:27:20.560 between the mother and the father and say no no you should really consider having an abortion

00:27:25.360 at like month seven like wild i'm like there i don't use the term anti-natalist a lot but i'm

00:27:32.160 like even your own mother father sisters will like think you're an enemy or something it's just the

00:27:40.160 weirdest thing man yeah yeah i know so we got a couple of things to talk about one of these happened

00:27:46.880 just recently and we might not even talk much about it because i don't know that too much to

00:27:52.080 say about it but uh i'm looking at politico right now so these the group chat leaks from the young

00:28:00.880 republicans um here's a great title for you quote i love hitler colon leaked messages expose young

00:28:10.000 republicans racist chat thousands of private messages revealed young gop leaders joking about

00:28:16.640 gas chambers slavery and rape i mean you're gonna get that yeah i mean that honestly that's like 0.99

00:28:25.600 every fucking chat in every video game also that's also every bathroom stall i'm pretty sure 0.98

00:28:33.020 if if they're just like when i was a kid right yeah yeah quit quit the pearl clutching out of 0.98

00:28:39.620 28 000 messages obtained politically identified 251 bigoted epithets in the chat there were many

00:28:45.120 more outrageous examples of racism sexism anti-semitism homophobia than we could or would

00:28:50.480 want to repeat here here's the thing these are not like we're not talking about kids here the

00:28:54.600 The age limit to the group was 40.

00:28:56.640 Many chat members work inside government or pretty politics.

00:28:59.120 One's a state senator.

00:29:00.500 Another works in Trump's Small Business Administration.

00:29:03.900 Joe, did you look it up yet?

00:29:05.820 Just did.

00:29:06.720 Probably shouldn't have on my work computer. 1.00

00:29:10.160 The Spanish came to America and had sex with every single woman. 1.00

00:29:14.980 Sex is gay. 1.00

00:29:16.220 Sex, it was rape. 1.00

00:29:18.360 Epic. 0.99

00:29:22.140 There's also a distinct difference.

00:29:23.520 like if you look at i look at us right or look at anybody in our circles and we're worried about

00:29:28.460 getting caught up it's like oh so and so said that you should literally nuke israel and feed 0.94

00:29:34.180 every indian to a crocodile or something like that these guys are just saying like hey hey rape 0.99

00:29:40.960 the word rape hey yeah rape just rape lmao not even about a specific person just like the word 0.98

00:29:48.680 rape like i mean i've seen excerpts here these are pretty good riffs if i'm being honest well 0.63

00:29:54.740 the one they've got on screen here they got a collage of these messages one just says yo

00:30:01.000 i mean i don't know what do you think that's code for that guy should be fired this guy this guy

00:30:07.940 says and they edited it as well right because they won't actually print they said but it says 0.98

00:30:11.500 this girl is fully retarded oh he didn't oh no he didn't you call the woman dumb 0.99

00:30:17.880 ah buddy who's this written by jason jason beeferman what the hell buck status what the 1.00

00:30:25.700 sigma that's a solid name that's a solid american name do you think girls aren't regular girls 0.81

00:30:31.400 liberal girls aren't calling their friends retarded right now in america they do it's all 0.75

00:30:36.240 they do someone said uh they love watermelon people which is inconclusive hey i love watermelon

00:30:45.660 people yeah i mean look as a republican you must you're trying to get the watermelon people vote

00:30:52.700 this is the nature of democracy so i don't know i don't understand what they're so upset about

00:30:57.800 why do you oh oh i get it so slate.com doesn't like watermelon people right is that what we're

00:31:04.020 saying okay the hill you wonder what an offensive thing is but because they're looking at this like

00:31:11.540 this is the worst i'll tell you here's something i posted the other day to give you some grounding

00:31:16.560 i saw there's this image posted by positive black content i just get served these now right nice

00:31:24.480 and it was a it's one like a facebook style image i assume the story's fake but it's like 16 year

00:31:30.780 old alana pollard graduated two years early from college was accepted to 60 colleges and received

00:31:37.240 over one million in scholarships she enrolled at louisiana state university to major microbiology 1.00

00:31:43.720 with aspirations of becoming a surgeon it just shows this like fat black girl with the weave 0.97

00:31:47.960 and i just posted she drowned in a watermelon attempting to dive after a crack rock 0.96

00:31:58.280 that's an offensive thing to say because it's not only a crack and watermelon reference but it's a

00:32:04.360 blacks can't swim reference it's got everything it's a cornucopia of racism so use that as your 0.74

00:32:12.040 north star that is that's the cipher to tell if something's offensive but um uh look what you're 0.99

00:32:20.760 giving nationals too much credit expecting the jew to be honest all right if they're just saying jews

00:32:25.240 are dishonest you see what i'm saying like this ain't the worst thing in the world here goes

00:32:29.720 leaders of young republican groups throughout the country worried that what would happen if

00:32:33.880 if their telegram chat ever got leaked but they kept typing anyway uh that's that's a good point

00:32:39.660 i'd say like two percent of messages in all group chats are discussing what would happen if the

00:32:43.900 group chat was ever leaked yeah ironically saying hi to the feds in the chat but they're not going

00:32:48.920 to post that are they yeah because maybe they're because if you did that and if you if they kind of

00:32:56.420 do at the top here like they're granting that they're probably infiltrated so that kind of

00:33:00.440 calls everything into question like maybe they're performing for the feds you know i mean um which

00:33:05.380 is some people there um so the story here is that there was a i mean okay first of all this whole

00:33:14.080 thing just sucks that's my position i don't like that it happened i the story that i was told was

00:33:21.080 The man who leaked it was a Jewish man, a young Jewish Republican, and it seems that the people in the young Republicans, that the heads, the leadership, are throwing all these guys under the bus because all their names are associated with these messages. 0.97

00:33:41.920 they know who they are they were kicked out they're being dragged through the mud right now

00:33:48.000 and all the leadership is on side with it and they're identifying you know there's this one

00:33:52.240 woman who's like one of the chairs and if you look at her messages like she's very she's talking about

00:33:57.840 how much she loves abortion rights how much she loves you know blm and she like these are just 0.96

00:34:06.000 feminist leftist women what the are they doing involved with young republicans of course i ask 1.00

00:34:10.720 that we know what the answer is because you know they're not actually you know having any women in 1.00

00:34:16.720 these organizations they're all going to have basically the same politics but uh this would 0.76

00:34:21.680 have been such a good scenario for the republicans to actually have some balls for once i will say

00:34:31.200 the only person i've been impressed by is jd vance because these chat logs are going wide

00:34:36.960 everyone is trying to say see look trump has normalized hey jd vance came out and said

00:34:44.240 who cares this is nothing hey look here's a chat message i have some text message with like

00:34:50.240 a democratic congressperson who is say who's advocating for violence you know i mean like

00:34:56.160 he's the only guy in the administration who's like who cares this is nothing the reality is 1.00

00:35:02.800 that kids do stupid things especially young boys they tell edgy offensive jokes like that's what 1.00

00:35:09.360 kids do and i really don't want us to grow up in a country where a kid telling a stupid joke 1.00

00:35:14.800 telling a very offensive stupid joke is caused to ruin their lives yeah it's banter yeah and i i 0.99

00:35:23.280 expected more people to come to their aid and then they didn't it's kind of wild that it was the 0.99

00:35:27.680 vice president of all people i i'm honestly i'm not you know i don't like the i don't fucking like 0.71

00:35:32.960 trump and jd but good good on him honestly that was that's solid yeah and they're they're referencing 0.83

00:35:39.340 hitler they're referencing gas chambers to me i read this and they all are clearly jokes um i know

00:35:46.500 i saw a tweet here where it'll if you just isolate their message it looks like they're endorsing

00:35:53.040 hitler but you know i mean dave green's got one here where if you look at the entire chat log

00:35:58.040 there's the the chain of the messages yeah i had some back and forth the bc in michigan the current

00:36:04.820 chairs a deer in the headlights uh many agree he said my delegates and i will bring will vote for

00:36:11.660 the most right-wing person and the guy says great i love hitler you know so that could also just be

00:36:17.780 sarcastic like oh the most writing person great yeah let's get hitler and ha ha ha like

00:36:21.600 that could be just a kind of milquetoast young republican thing to say so it's not i don't even

00:36:28.840 think they're that extreme in in the aggregate here but uh if i i hate to give any advice because

00:36:37.540 i don't think this should have happened i think you should be able to talk like this they were

00:36:40.760 on telegram um it sounded like they were doing this at cpac or something but if i could give

00:36:48.460 one piece of advice it would be uh don't have this group chat associated with the young republican

00:36:55.520 brand which is what i think happened my advice was everyone right now change the title of your

00:37:02.060 group chat to things democrats would say just create the plausible deniability it's like we're

00:37:08.500 just no we're talking like democrats it's a bit it's a work we're we're workshopping a bit 0.73

00:37:17.140 Now, Your Honor, my client, was clearly trying to be a Kamala voter when he said that there's no bussy in the gas chambers. 1.00

00:37:31.520 Damn, son. Where'd you find... 0.99

00:37:33.340 No, stop! Ass rape! 1.00

00:37:37.260 Because, you know, I also wonder, does this help with normalization? 1.00

00:37:42.140 because people see this regular people see this and you're watching the hassan pikers and the sam

00:37:47.400 cedars and whoever get you know up in arms about this but i don't think they care they just think

00:37:53.220 they have a win everyone's saying like this is just how young boys talk well maybe there's a

00:37:58.680 problem with how young boys talk like okay good that that took the steam out of it you're once

00:38:03.640 again complaining about all young boys yep so you're done like that i don't think anyone recognizes

00:38:10.140 this as anything because here's

00:38:12.360 the thing even if you're a liberal and say see

00:38:14.260 I told you this would happen I told

00:38:16.320 you people be talking about this I'm like yeah you're right

00:38:18.480 that's all I

00:38:20.320 say to them like yeah you're right

00:38:21.420 the stuff that I like got normalized and here it is

00:38:25.000 gold star like what do you think I'm supposed

00:38:28.380 to deny that no you lost

00:38:30.540 and you continue to lose and now you're

00:38:32.340 sad and you predicted it

00:38:34.340 you're right here's five dollars

00:38:36.440 you keep calling us racist 1.00

00:38:38.200 and we keep saying yes

00:38:40.000 like i don't know what you thought was gonna happen that happened to me the other day someone

00:38:45.480 thought they got me or they're trying to get me to trap it's like are you a race realist i'm like

00:38:49.300 yeah and then it just stopped because what their hope is like i i'm not a race realist i just

00:38:56.700 identify the data points seemed indicate like no yeah i am yeah that's me you got you got me

00:39:04.760 actually they don't have a second step after that i wanted to connect this to another bit

00:39:13.460 of discourse that was happening and this emerges every so often but it was concerning

00:39:19.440 infiltrating institutions and you know like legitimizing ourselves with getting proper

00:39:26.940 jobs and everything i even saw arville from the uh return to the land project and it was talking

00:39:34.620 about it like because he was responding to nick fuentes who was saying that hey our guys should

00:39:38.980 try and work for the cia work in these institutions and infiltrate them right i'm not totally opposed

00:39:45.700 to that in principle i do believe that a certain number of young men can benefit our cause by

00:39:51.620 getting into those institutions but precautions have to be taken when you recommend that our best

00:39:59.040 and brightest go and work for our enemy and i know you got some opinions on this i'm going to throw

00:40:05.040 to you in a second i just wanted to set this up for people um so i i i don't think every solution

00:40:14.000 is for everyone like when we talk about active clubs and stuff active clubs aren't going to be

00:40:19.360 for everyone there's going to be people who are drawn to that as they are drawn to that now and

00:40:24.560 maybe you are drawn to more bureaucratic endeavors i think there's a role for that that's fine um

00:40:32.080 i'm not trying to say like some people would be misplaced in something like an active club or

00:40:38.160 a martial role or you know i mean like there's there's ways to move this thing forward for

00:40:44.560 different types of people however i'm just saying that in this instance that we're discussing it

00:40:50.160 seems that these guys were attempting to do just that and i don't think we've solved the problem

00:40:57.120 that the institutions and mainly those inside the institutions still are on high alert for people

00:41:04.080 like us and still have a very strong interest in getting rid of us as soon as possible because i

00:41:10.080 think what did they do they told some holocaust jokes on telegram and they're out and that's

00:41:16.240 they don't condemn leftists for doing the same thing they don't uproot the antifa from the

00:41:20.560 organization so it's just about us so i'm like does that affect the viability of encouraging

00:41:26.720 people to spend 10 15 years of their life rising up through the ranks if only to express a single

00:41:34.720 heterodox opinion and then their careers ruined you know what i mean yes it does that's continuing

00:41:39.520 exactly the case i was going to say like the initial i don't like uh marrying those two

00:41:45.120 those two concepts like on the one hand you have you know just because active club you know you're

00:41:50.320 an active club guy doesn't mean everybody is and just because you're in in a woods parallel

00:41:55.200 societies guy doesn't mean everybody is just because you're a local politics or a volunteer

00:41:58.800 firefighter guy doesn't mean everybody is right or there's people that just go around and help

00:42:03.920 families i know some guys like that like there's there's all kinds of different ways that people

00:42:07.200 are getting involved and then there's arval who's literally building a community from scratch and

00:42:10.720 i know a few other guys that are doing similar things kind of under the radar so there's yes

00:42:15.520 there's absolutely there is a and i think this is the support of the argument why you shouldn't

00:42:19.360 join the cia there are so many productive options for people of every walk of every skill level and

00:42:25.840 every level of experience there are so many things that you can do without throwing your life away

00:42:30.480 on an institution that is purpose-built to destroy you and when i say purpose-built i mean that the

00:42:35.600 main mistake here and you kind of mentioned it right a minute ago mistake is thinking that you

00:42:42.000 can get into this system and change it from the inside and the mistake the mistake specifically

00:42:47.280 is that is the belief that the problem with the system is just the people at the controls right

00:42:53.440 no the problem the system is what it does that system was built by those people you can argue

00:42:59.120 with me up and down i know that some of these systems pre-existed the radical left but they

00:43:03.520 have been completely rebuilt from the inside out by the radical left and they can no longer be

00:43:08.640 captured they have been fortified as you just mentioned they are on constant vigilant lookout

00:43:12.800 for people like us you cannot do a second march through the institutions you can't repeat that

00:43:18.720 right it was an open field they captured it they fortified it the only solution now is to bombard

00:43:25.360 there's no i think that's a great analogy which is that it was neutral then it was occupied by

00:43:31.120 enemy forces and to get rid of them you would either need to have a brutal and i'm just within

00:43:38.580 the analogy here not actually advocating for this do a brutal building by building door by door 0.97

00:43:43.800 sweep of every interior like they did in a fucking iraq and afghanistan it's ugly and takes forever 0.93

00:43:50.960 or you bomb the entire area yeah or you starve them or you starve them out by attrition like 0.98

00:43:56.480 you siege them which would be parallel societies right like you stop paying your taxes and you

00:44:00.480 create you know you create an economy where they can't you know they're not involved and they can't

00:44:05.240 be rentiers anymore so there's a lot of ways to fight them but sneaking in and pretending to be

00:44:11.040 one of them and look i had said earlier if you had a huge group of very well trained people you had

00:44:18.680 so many of them that you were willing to throw some of them away you were rich with men then i

00:44:23.780 could i get it you want to send some spies or whatever i understand that but if you're going

00:44:28.080 to be out here saying that the number one thing every young man should have on his mind is how

00:44:32.760 to infiltrate you are cancer you are absolutely wrong and i will i will fight you on this i will 0.82

00:44:39.220 die on this hill you are telling our young men to waste their lives i can give you a list right now 0.99

00:44:46.220 of 20 things that you and i'm not talking about actions i'm talking about things to devote the 1.00

00:44:51.860 next 20 years of your fucking life to that would be more productive because that's what you're 0.97

00:44:56.160 saying you're not saying go and donate to a food bank you're saying spend the next 20 you commit 0.99

00:45:02.040 your entire adult life to this for what return at what risk and also let me just say that i'm

00:45:09.200 more friendly to people claiming that look i needed to get a gig at one of these institutions

00:45:16.280 just to get by and maybe use that space and breathing room to recommit to these other things

00:45:24.080 like if you're doing social media management for the cia and and you're not treating it like

00:45:29.680 a career purpose built to infiltrate and change the system you're just a jobber i'm like okay

00:45:36.240 we're at least we're honest about what this is because it's very difficult for most people

00:45:40.780 to get it like honestly how many jobs in canada are in some form working for the government right

00:45:47.840 it's actually pretty hard to get most people an hour for the government as long as you're just 0.73

00:45:52.420 treating it as a job something to pay the fucking rent while also doing this other stuff and having 0.80

00:45:58.460 no illusions that because you're a part of the government that you're going to change the 0.95

00:46:03.080 government really uh because much of the government is devoted to hr for the government too like they

00:46:10.220 they're looking for you right now what do you think about that is that is that a fair or would

00:46:16.800 you include no no no i i kind of i kind of agree there's like there's there's spaces for it right

00:46:21.840 There's some narrow cases where it does make sense.

00:46:25.460 Now, so we're looking at that group of young men

00:46:29.540 who are saying some pretty controversial things

00:46:31.880 that a lot of liberals and leftists would disagree with,

00:46:35.560 but we don't disagree with.

00:46:36.980 In fact, we do the exact same thing, even worse, right?

00:46:42.480 And maybe some people would be terrified

00:46:44.260 if our group chat got leaked,

00:46:45.880 but I kind of assume that,

00:46:48.400 and this is what I would recommend people do.

00:46:50.240 young and old mainstream and not don't assume that any group chat you're in is safe

00:46:56.940 none of it's safe it's very easy to export entire group chats in the blink of an eye

00:47:04.480 they're you know it is possible to have very very encrypted chats on telegram most people

00:47:11.620 don't have their chat set up that way there are ways to set up your chat where it's very difficult

00:47:16.680 to export or even save images from them most most people don't do that um and they can self-delete

00:47:23.240 most people don't do that either so just assume you're being watched assume you're not safe assume

00:47:30.760 there's infiltrators there's always going to be infiltrators and just imagine yourself in this

00:47:37.480 scenario where the group chat gets leaked when it inevitably gets leaked because it will just assume

00:47:43.960 it will would you stand by what you said or is it said in a way where if it's printed out on some 0.77

00:47:50.760 fucking bristol board and put up in a courtroom that you can did you phrase in such a way where 0.91

00:47:57.060 the jury might laugh you know just just be just be very aware of what it is you're doing and there's 0.99

00:48:03.420 no such thing as a safe fucking platform i don't give a like signal i assume that's corrupt in some 0.93

00:48:08.020 it doesn't matter what they are um well like the signal that that uh hegseth's people got leaked 0.94

00:48:14.740 it wasn't a matter of encryption it's just people being lazy and it got copied somewhere right

00:48:18.820 and i think the number one thing you like on telegram we think telegram's so safe

00:48:22.420 well the number one way like you get infiltrators you literally get a person 0.95

00:48:25.860 who some lazy dumb ass invites to the chat and then they just sit there and record all of it 0.73

00:48:31.460 so sorry it's gonna happen eventually and that's all just social engineering i think everyone's 0.99

00:48:36.100 looking out for hackers or some kind of script i'm like or classic social engineer they just

00:48:42.260 find someone and blackmail them in the group you know i mean like that's you're never gonna have

00:48:46.820 a technological solution for that for your you're never gonna find a technological solution for the

00:48:53.860 maxim that you are only as strong as your weakest link how many weak links do you got i bet you got

00:48:58.420 a few you know none of you are jihadists for trump really um now moving on so that's one example of

00:49:09.700 people who are saying controversial things that we otherwise side with now is there such a thing

00:49:15.460 as a group chat leak where they're on side they're politically aligned with us in many ways

00:49:23.140 but they're caught saying things that you or i or many of our audience would disagree with

00:49:28.420 And does that or ought that position them further away from us?

00:49:32.860 Now, what I'm talking about specifically is there was a big band wave going on in X the other day.

00:49:41.720 I'm giving people X news, probably the most hated segment on the show. 0.99

00:49:45.740 Gay sex update is 10 times more popular than this. 1.00

00:49:49.520 But there's this one account, a very popular account, called Solionath. 0.71

00:49:56.040 oh yeah it's kind of like a known person i've seen him interviewed before even my

00:50:01.560 a couple good friends interviewed him um i was never a big follower but uh sort of

00:50:07.900 adjacent to the groypers but not really the groypers don't like him but he's very much a

00:50:12.880 trump guy adjacent to the vitalist sphere as well there's a whole milieu that i'm not looking good

00:50:23.680 for this guy yeah let me tell you let me tell you so this guy was pretty popular recently the reason

00:50:31.460 he was banned was because he was making a mission of going out and finding a bunch of libs that were

00:50:38.240 making fun of charlie kirk being killed and then trying to get them fired from their jobs

00:50:43.260 a worthy esteemable act who doesn't like libs getting fired okay i think that's why he was

00:50:50.340 targeted and why he was banned he's back now so were a couple other accounts doing similar things

00:50:56.140 now i was aware of this account for other reasons because i knew both having witnessed it myself

00:51:04.660 and heard from others who've been in other group chats with him now this guy likes talking about

00:51:11.140 pregnant children wicked that's not good yeah i there's been screen talking about his sister

00:51:17.900 talking about he wishes he had a younger sister if if he's implying that he wishes he had a younger 0.99

00:51:22.100 sister so he could have sex with his younger sister that was that was the one specific example 0.95

00:51:27.180 that was floating around but i wanted to clarify with people that i'd personally witnessed half a

00:51:32.840 dozen other instances where he was posting images of just pregnant children and it could be that

00:51:39.620 it's a little sister um and the trick is that it's all manga it's all animated drawings right

00:51:46.440 so it's not you don't get in trouble that doesn't count as you know child sex abuse material even 0.54

00:51:54.580 though you know we all know what this is and i've seen even bronze age pervert retweet like highly 0.71

00:52:01.320 sexualized images of children like 10 year olds in bikinis and it just you know i'm i hate even

00:52:07.560 saying it i hate even describing it but it's just something these people do not all the time but

00:52:12.560 often enough then there was you know examples of him like you said writing fiction about wanting

00:52:20.320 to be romantically involved with his child sister and then you add on top of that that this guy 0.99

00:52:25.240 reportedly is in group chats all the time sharing this same shit they call it cunny posting 1.00

00:52:29.860 cunny posting cunny being a term for hey even saying it but like a child girl's child's vagina 0.99

00:52:38.220 now that's what it means kind of right um and that's been known since the 4chan days so some 0.98

00:52:44.900 people are ignorant to that but i'm like no no that's what it means there were some guys in our

00:52:49.300 chat the other day tracing it's the phrase back to the 1200s like saying like no the the root

00:52:56.720 words is it's actually a gaelic word it's like kaneath like okay and it means like you know

00:53:02.260 the cloven hooves it does doesn't it there you go sure but i'm telling you what it means now

00:53:10.460 and i'm telling you how these people are using it so cunning posting is and there's a word for it

00:53:16.020 because it seems to happen so often this there's a big problem online in my view mostly with gen z 0.85

00:53:25.280 guys but i'm not trying to just pigeonhole them it's just true it's something i've just noticed 0.91

00:53:30.840 because when i called this out i said what the fuck is this about they're saying no big deal 0.96

00:53:38.260 don't worry about that they're calling me old i'm an old head i'm a fuddy-duddy hey grandpa 0.99

00:53:45.460 this is just we just post pregnant 10 year olds now get with the times and so me

00:53:53.260 ever the diplomat i'm stepping back like okay am i really out of touch

00:53:58.000 am i that out of touch or is it all these people who are wrong and of course i've come to the

00:54:04.220 conclusion that it's all these people who are wrong um so just you're with me so far what are

00:54:11.200 your thoughts thus far on this well i mean i'm not the right guy to ask right because i hate

00:54:16.400 everybody from from square one on the simplest thing but this is one of those cases like i i 0.87

00:54:21.940 ban guys from the chat all the fucking time and there's somebody joins even if they're somebody's 0.84

00:54:25.720 friend and i'm scrolling scrolling through their pfps from three years ago and i find a 12 year 0.99

00:54:32.100 old manga girl done you're out buddy it's over i don't give a fuck and i hear the same thing it's 0.98

00:54:37.520 like oh no you don't get it i'm 22 it's just my humor no your humor is degenerate and you should 0.98

00:54:42.800 be ashamed of yourself and i hope that there are other people in your life that also berate you 1.00

00:54:47.140 and call you a degenerate incestuous pedophilic faggot and bully you to tears until you stop or 1.00

00:54:53.760 kill yourself please i really do hope that they're like it's like when um i don't think you ever saw 1.00

00:55:00.300 the sopranos but when they catch veto in the gay club because he's secretly gay and two of the guys 1.00

00:55:06.880 doing a collection round they see him there and he's panicked he's dressed in all fucking leather 0.99

00:55:12.040 and shit and he goes guys it's a joke like that the only thing he could think of in the moment 0.99

00:55:18.440 Unless it's just a joke. 1.00

00:55:19.860 I hear the same thing.

00:55:20.780 I'm like, I don't get it.

00:55:23.500 Yeah.

00:55:23.840 I actually don't think I want to get it anymore. 1.00

00:55:26.860 But so we even had some people in our community saying, don't be a moral fag. 0.98

00:55:33.480 They use that term moral fagging. 0.98

00:55:35.180 You're overreacting to it.

00:55:36.260 Now, I had a couple of different groups of people give me different reasons why this is.

00:55:41.900 so i had some people and the reason i'm saying this is because i think this represents

00:55:47.900 a growing divide between various people in our sector you know i mean like there there's a lot

00:55:55.180 of fundamental issues that are being revealed right now and i think this is one of them

00:56:01.260 because okay one defense i heard he was like it's not a big deal don't worry about it and i just

00:56:07.980 that i think it's a big deal i think this is this should be called out and i don't care yes he got

00:56:14.380 some libs in trouble that's fine but this should still be on the table and then i had someone else

00:56:21.180 jump in one of i believe the friends of the show taking a very serious approach and he was trying

00:56:28.380 to make the argument that just because the and he was saying oh it's just a fetish this remnant

00:56:34.780 guy it's like it's just a fetish but that doesn't mean he's actually doing it and i reject that

00:56:38.220 entirely like we know that's not we've been around long enough to know that's not true

00:56:42.620 it's actually an argument pedophiles make pedophiles say like i i just collect it it's not

00:56:47.900 that i'm doing it it's literally the number one cope from the pedophiles themselves right it's

00:56:54.060 the other thing is this whole thing with like lolly uh manga porn or whatever like when you 0.95

00:56:58.780 essentially it's it's child porn but it's child porn that's a cartoon so it's a cartoon right 0.97

00:57:04.300 guys nobody got hurt so it doesn't matter right it's totally fine guys it's just a fetish like no

00:57:09.420 it's the same thing and it isn't it isn't because a child was abused in making the material

00:57:15.180 it's because of you you personally are dangerous do you not understand that yeah like you know what

00:57:22.620 i mean like is the pedophile if if you if here's you know for comparison if you caught a pedophile

00:57:29.340 and they promised you that they'd never abused another child and all they were ever going to do

00:57:33.740 for the rest of their lives is just dream of abusing children they're just going to dream

00:57:37.660 about it and jack off about it every night but they're i swear to god i'll never abuse another 0.99

00:57:41.660 child are you not going to hang them are you going to let them go no you're not going to let 0.99

00:57:46.060 them go you're going to you're going to hang them right and you should all know this by now because 1.00

00:57:51.580 there's been so much you know popular culture about this like your average person knows more 0.98

00:57:57.180 about pedophilia now than they ever have in the past so you know these people are lives you're

00:58:00.540 and they're everywhere you should like this you have no excuse to not understand this at this

00:58:04.440 point you should be aware of their arguments one of the top arguments that pedophiles use

00:58:08.880 to justify their actions is that the children themselves are highly sexual uh female predators

00:58:15.880 in particular love this they love acting like they were seduced by the child they'll use this

00:58:21.620 in court sometimes but the men will say like oh they're just very developed like children are

00:58:26.740 sexual creatures that's why they're trying to lower the edge of consent um because they're

00:58:30.800 trying to say like oh god what am i supposed to do they're trying to seduce me it's a lie of course

00:58:35.220 but that's why so much of this material involves like a seducing child or like a pregnant child

00:58:42.840 like that if you are aware of the arguments that pedophiles have been making for decades and this

00:58:48.800 goes back to nambla is when they were saying this like the argument hasn't changed and this is what

00:58:54.960 one individual was explaining to me he was like there's no relationship between exposure to media

00:59:02.640 and actually acting on what's depicted in that media that's what he was saying

00:59:08.080 and that's kind of a popular idea and he was relating it to violence and he was quoting uh

00:59:13.440 lieutenant grossman who wrote a book on killing which we covered on the show and he was like i

00:59:19.120 think this is kind of the study he didn't find a direct correlation between exposure to violent

00:59:23.200 media and making someone more violent and just i'll say i reject that out of hand entirely

00:59:29.760 because if that were true uh we wouldn't care about depictions of anything in the media would

00:59:36.160 we right if there was no correlation between exposure and media and normalization of ideas

00:59:43.840 why would we care about trans stuff being pushed on tv why would we care about miscegenation being

00:59:48.800 pushed on tv why why would you care about anything it would be a non-issue because it doesn't matter

00:59:55.040 but it turns out that if you expose people to things through multiple forms of media it does

01:00:01.360 normalize it and it does even incrementally increase their uh likelihood of doing it now

01:00:08.240 that's not to say that if you play a violent video game you are going to go shoot up a school however

01:00:13.280 here's not how statistics work that's not how an aggregate works yeah here's here's an interesting

01:00:18.720 statistic that you know after columbine uh school shootings skyrocketed like 900 i'm not saying that

01:00:26.560 everyone who was exposed to it wanted to do a school shooting i'm just saying there there is

01:00:32.680 a correlation between exposure in media and the glorification of what is being depicted

01:00:37.140 and the likelihood of it increasing in the future that's just that's that should be obvious and

01:00:42.860 And that's why, you know, one of the tactics pedophiles use with children is early porn exposure. 0.65

01:00:49.660 That's why if you are a parent and you notice that there's a kid in your child's class or play group or whatever, that a little kid that knows what a blowjob is or they're doing highly sexual things, odds are they are, if not currently being abused, then groomed to abuse. 0.68

01:01:09.220 because one of the things you do is you expose them to porn at a young age that has i don't know 0.61

01:01:14.740 if you call it a traumatizing effect but that does jumble up a bunch of things in their head and you

01:01:19.760 know you're not supposed to do that so if media didn't have like we're making the argument that 1.00

01:01:24.320 media doesn't have an effect on the mind or the mass mind like that's fucking stupid that should 0.99

01:01:30.460 read as insane to any sensible person but we're still stuck in sort of like these gamer gate 0.99

01:01:35.600 arguments or like comic books from the 90s arguments like violent media doesn't make you

01:01:40.100 more violent like it won't make everyone more violent but it might increase violence by like

01:01:43.820 10 and that's and and to me like the argument would be like are you saying that this type of 0.97

01:01:51.320 like pregnant 10 year old shit was similarly popular 20 years ago or is it more popular now 0.94

01:02:00.120 because if it's more popular now then something happened you understand what i'm saying like it 0.99

01:02:06.580 it's it's ridiculous to make the argument otherwise like if you went back 10 years

01:02:13.440 and told the most far-right person you could find that in the future we'll be having debates

01:02:20.620 about the validity of pregnant 10 year olds they would think you're insane how did we get here

01:02:27.040 This is one of dozens of fronts on which CSAM is now essentially coming out into the open and is being argued in public spaces and has a huge groundswell of support.

01:02:42.620 It seems to have the majority of the radical left.

01:02:45.780 And somehow it has the right like normies are like the only ones who just balk at it and don't get involved. 0.99

01:02:50.720 but you even have quote-unquote right-wingers like the greupers some of these fucking people 0.94

01:02:56.500 who are on you know who are making arguments in favor of it like solely an athlete and these guys 0.96

01:03:01.340 so like and like you said 20 years ago 20 even 15 years ago but certainly 20 years ago or before

01:03:09.380 can you imagine this not just landing you in a pit socially for the rest of your life 0.98

01:03:15.040 you arguing in favor of like look if i want to masturbate to pregnant 12 year olds that's my 1.00

01:03:20.300 business i'm not hurting anybody like those words would be a would be a death sentence for you 0.99

01:03:26.360 especially if you're a public figure christ these aren't even like random lol cows somebody found 0.99

01:03:31.860 on tiktok these guys are talking heads we're all supposed to follow and quote fuck off man yeah and 0.97

01:03:38.340 i refuse to accept the strategy that we just do this for the anti-memetic qualities of scaring 0.98

01:03:44.560 the normies i'm like no you're not like like if you actually look at what it is they're saying

01:03:49.020 that's ridiculous if they're saying it in group chats amongst themselves how is it scaring the 0.99

01:03:55.340 normies you morons and if you look at it's never that they're trying to scare regular people with 0.99

01:04:02.060 it it's like they're saying it to their friends even in public even on in in the few instances 1.00

01:04:06.700 that i saw it was just no they're saying it and all the comments are supportive

01:04:10.780 they're like someone's posting uh an image of like a horny child and it's all the comments

01:04:19.100 based patriot this is what i'm talking about you know i mean so it's like it just seems that it's

01:04:25.220 a bunch of guys who are into this fetish supporting each other and to argue the contrary

01:04:32.380 would be to say that normalization does not exist do you believe such a thing as normalization

01:04:37.860 exist and does this seem like something that has become more normalized that's all i'm trying to

01:04:43.240 say and i'm contrasting it against what we just talked about which is like okay you're dimes you

01:04:49.440 think this type of offensive thing is tolerable joking about gas chambers and hitler and things

01:04:56.980 like that but this how can this be any different i'm like you know what it's fundamentally different

01:05:01.680 i i do here's the thing and maybe we're guilty of this more than most we're already pretty

01:05:08.560 fucking permissive about who we let into the space there's not there's not a lot of filters

01:05:15.440 that have kept most people out of the the far right let's just say that racially even sexually 0.99

01:05:23.840 you know we used to keep women out we used to keep a lot of people we don't do that anymore

01:05:27.840 we should and all i'm saying is like we need to have a line somewhere there has to be 1.00

01:05:35.760 and it can't just be based on people who agree with your ideas there has to be something about

01:05:40.560 them their behavior or their beliefs that you wouldn't just tolerate because they momentarily

01:05:46.560 don't like mass migration or they think that woke has gone too far or they think democracy's

01:05:54.720 overrated i don't yeah i don't know why this even has to be said like uh like i was saying to you

01:06:00.160 earlier off mic sometimes with this stuff i'm i'm i'm less concerned about the guy doing it

01:06:05.520 and i'm more concerned about the fact that it keeps happening over and over and random people

01:06:09.680 keep bubbling up and using the same arguments like it's organically it's everywhere

01:06:14.800 people people talking this way and i i mean i'm at the point where i do think we should just

01:06:20.000 be removing people we should be fighting i think we should almost be fighting amongst ourselves

01:06:25.360 earlier and more than we do with our real opponents because we're not going to be able

01:06:31.280 to have that long fight if when we go to do it we look to the left and look to the right 1.00

01:06:37.920 and it's brown pedophiles and gay women that's kind of what we're what we're getting to right 0.98

01:06:44.560 now yeah we are getting to there and we've talked about this at length as well and just to return 0.98

01:06:50.320 to a word that i'd used earlier moral fagging i was accused on x give me a break give me a

01:06:57.040 any look right there so here's the thing sorry sorry to interrupt you on this no no go ahead

01:07:02.160 from where i come from or like the time period where we came from we're older millennials

01:07:07.440 we came into this you know 2011 2012 was when we started getting red-pilled but like to us the

01:07:16.160 concept of morality is foundationally what separates us from the radical left they are

01:07:23.920 post-moral they're post-modernist not they don't believe in anything right it's a melange

01:07:30.480 to them it's hyper strategic for you as a quote unquote ostensible right winger to come at me 0.52

01:07:37.920 about moral fagging you just identified yourself buddy the moral fagging is a left-wing shibboleth 0.96

01:07:44.560 if you don't want to get banned don't use the phrase okay because we are the moral fags that 0.99

01:07:50.400 and we're proud of it we will always nail you to the wall we will crucify you over principle 1.00

01:07:55.760 and morality because it is what defines us how dare you what the fuck we are loud and proud 0.99

01:08:01.360 moral fags but i just wanted to just um expand on that by saying okay what do we mean by that 0.98

01:08:08.380 because people can interpret that in different ways to me moral fagging the way i've seen it

01:08:13.080 used it's it's not that what they're let's say okay someone's making the 10 year old who's 0.91

01:08:19.400 pregnant joke and you have a problem with it they're calling you moral fag when they say that 0.65

01:08:23.320 to you it's not that they're saying that the person who posted that is lying or trolling or 0.98

01:08:30.320 doing a bit they're accepting that a it's they really posted and they really believe in it or

01:08:36.600 they really like it but you caring about that is the problem so let's break that down morals okay

01:08:43.180 morality what they're trying to say is that you are letting the morals your personal morals get

01:08:48.580 in the way of something that is strategically expedient they're saying that hey maybe i don't

01:08:53.560 like it but we should allow it or we should permit it in this rare case and don't don't don't get in

01:09:01.540 the way how very liberal of you well and here's the thing i'm like but let's focus on the world

01:09:07.420 morality because they make it sound like morality itself is not strategic you're letting some like

01:09:14.540 your feelings get in the way of real political strategy but like what is morality morality is

01:09:20.040 just a set of in my opinion it could be adaptive eugenic strategies that have been used for so long

01:09:28.220 that have been codified in morals their behavior sets their behavioral norms that we just do we

01:09:34.260 don't even question them because across time they've been proving to be the most beneficial 0.96

01:09:39.320 to society like this is just we're identifying a behavior that you just don't fucking permit

01:09:45.640 and you shouldn't need to justify it and if you're using that behavior as a strategy it

01:09:50.600 should seem reprehensible but make no mistake the morality itself is also strategic that's how 0.78

01:09:56.760 fucking became a morality it didn't it's not just feelings and so i i reject it it's not an arbitrary 0.85

01:10:03.720 rule the point is is that by following those rules that's how we regain society right we can't you 0.98

01:10:09.080 You can't, like, the morality is itself the goal.

01:10:12.880 You can't reach the goal by compromising it out of the deal on the first move.

01:10:18.160 Like that.

01:10:18.780 Yeah.

01:10:19.240 And I had some people defending it by saying, look, we don't like this guy. 0.86

01:10:24.100 He's a freak.

01:10:25.060 And some people have met him, the guy in question, Solaniath. 0.99

01:10:29.120 And I'm pretty sure he's probably, like, some fucking squadamallin, just some round brown guy. 0.98

01:10:35.620 That's what I heard. 1.00

01:10:36.200 There's no shortage of those types of people.

01:10:39.080 and he's he's got an anime pfp so he's spiritually latino now that's unfair it should be dragon ball

01:10:45.440 z right um no but like okay but he does good work we like the work that he's done and if he's doing

01:10:52.700 good work that aligns with us then we should permit just ignore all this other shit because

01:10:57.160 who cares um and and i think that's what we're building to right now and i know you've got some 0.62

01:11:02.540 very uh impassioned opinions about this but they would say okay let's say like he's he's just doing

01:11:10.600 an anti-meme thing and just being and trolling people on purpose what if he actually was a 0.69

01:11:17.400 jewish pedophile what if what if he was a jewish pedophile and he had 100 000 followers on x 0.72

01:11:23.980 and he was helping get libs in trouble would we still tolerate him why not o9a why not order of 0.99

01:11:34.000 the nine angles why why not and think of the worst the worst creature you can imagine why not that

01:11:41.540 person if they're momentarily benefiting some short-term strategic goal because that is what

01:11:47.200 we're talking about here yeah you know what i think it's people swapped the phrase strategy for

01:11:52.100 tactics you know what i mean like this is not strategic this is tactical this is you this is

01:11:58.560 you making you're compromising the entire war in order to win this battle that's what you're doing

01:12:03.720 and i even saw this with trump and the epstein thing we're not this wasn't that widespread but

01:12:08.340 i saw a few people doing this where they said well so what if he was on epstein island and he 0.54

01:12:12.440 did fuck a 12 year old so what he's helping close the board and i said this is where i part with you

01:12:18.300 because i do think we need that line we need that standard like i there's nothing you can do 1.00

01:12:22.660 politically that would forgive the fact if you were in fucking satanic child rape rituals like 0.98

01:12:29.000 let's go all in let's say let's go all alex jones with this let's say it's everything that you fear 0.99

01:12:34.580 but he is like trying to reshore manufacturing i still will not go with you on that we'll find

01:12:41.540 another guy there has to be a line where this type of person is not permitted and it's or maybe

01:12:49.360 democracy is not capable of producing leaders that aren't pedophiles i don't know maybe i mean maybe

01:12:54.500 yeah that could be a two but we can even more so we can't even allow these people and that type of

01:12:59.780 person has to exist because you know there has to be some kind of rule about you know they had said

01:13:06.860 that um as long as they're aligning with my principles i'll allow them you know just to

01:13:12.540 exist and afford those principles and i said well what if one of my foundational principles

01:13:17.920 is not having incestuous pedophiles around what if in fact what if everything i'm doing politically

01:13:28.160 is trying to sort of circumnavigate around this and find a way to get these people hanging from

01:13:34.780 trees you know i mean so it's it's like i if i found a a gay let's say there was a very famous 0.85

01:13:43.500 content creator that was a gay jewish freak you know what i mean um and then he he was on side 0.94

01:13:51.020 with a few issues i'm like but but my my pr the premise of what i believe is i don't want those 0.98

01:13:55.580 people to be influential at all right right my prep if you're allowed if you're allowing

01:14:01.500 jewish individuals to lead the conversation on anti-semitism or anti-zionism you are still

01:14:11.140 allowing them to dictate the terms of the debate and one of the functions of that debate is to 0.72

01:14:17.700 limit their influence within that realm exactly so i'm like it's a self-defeating thing and and

01:14:24.040 so i'm not willing and just to extend that even further

01:14:28.140 it's not just you know we've talked about how morality is itself a strategy but let's talk

01:14:35.360 even more about the strategic value of not having any of these people around because

01:14:40.600 um there was a claim made that you know tolerate them for now right then later on you expel these

01:14:47.900 people that's what every revolutionary group has ever done that was the night of long knives with

01:14:53.700 hitler the communists did this with the purges you know i'm like i'm like okay and i know people

01:14:59.740 have stories about when that's happened but if you if you look deeper in history i think more

01:15:06.440 often than not if you allow these groups in they tend to subvert from within and normalize

01:15:13.480 themselves so this actually is what happened with america first and i talked about this in our

01:15:19.960 recent real secret coffee hours so america first i'd say i'm just going to say a number i think a

01:15:25.740 quarter of america first is cunning posters and at every level of that organization it's normalized

01:15:31.480 they laugh about it it's an in joke they permit it all of the groiper generals think it's okay

01:15:38.720 they never really denounce i've never seen them denounce and i was looking at a lot of

01:15:43.140 material that backed this up so maybe even like a quarter of a third to a third of them are

01:15:47.940 on board with

01:15:49.740 Cunny Posting, and I said,

01:15:51.720 how did that begin?

01:15:54.300 I never said it. I've always

01:15:56.080 said it's a cult. I don't think I've ever said it's not

01:15:58.140 a cult. People are like, it's a cult.

01:16:00.460 I'm like, okay,

01:16:02.020 and this is a coat, and this is a

01:16:04.180 cup, and this is a pumpkin, and this is a table,

01:16:06.220 and what's your point?

01:16:08.340 Raise your right hand. Alright, everybody

01:16:10.100 raise your right hand.

01:16:12.220 Raise your right hand.

01:16:14.520 Repeat after me. 1.00

01:16:15.400 I will kill, rape, and die 1.00

01:16:18.800 For Nicholas J. Fuentes 1.00

01:16:20.940 You are a gay man 0.97

01:16:23.060 Who exclusively surrounds himself with other young gay men 1.00

01:16:25.080 Many of whom are openly pedophiles 0.97

01:16:26.840 Based?

01:16:28.480 Jack sent five dollars

01:16:29.400 And that's based

01:16:30.400 Connor MC Groeper sent ten dollars 1.00

01:16:32.780 I miss your femboy era 1.00

01:16:33.700 What's the femboy? 0.71

01:16:35.380 I was never a femboy 0.99

01:16:36.380 It was the catboy era, okay 0.96

01:16:39.120 Not femboy 1.00

01:16:41.220 Let's get it straight 1.00

01:16:42.420 It was the catboy era

01:16:43.700 I miss it, too. 0.99

01:16:45.460 They bullied me out of it, you know?

01:16:46.980 It was funny.

01:16:48.740 And Vosh made up a bunch of nonsense about it.

01:16:53.560 And then I had to capitulate for the sake of optics and say,

01:16:58.380 no, no, no, no. 1.00

01:16:59.760 We want to be trad and get married, and women are awesome. 1.00

01:17:05.540 Shower's nice.

01:17:06.240 The bidet was nice.

01:17:07.500 I was on the bidet for an hour and a half.

01:17:10.860 Somebody says sus.

01:17:12.040 Yeah, I was a little sus. 0.86

01:17:13.700 but hey but it feels good everyone's saying sus i know it's a little gay but yeah i was on it for

01:17:22.340 a long time that began with a few key individuals that normalized in group chats now if nick fuentes

01:17:31.460 wanted to purge them he'd be purging a third of his organization and he won't do it because

01:17:37.060 you allow these people to become normalized and propagate within your organization

01:17:40.820 and now they have too much power they centralized their power they made networks within networks

01:17:45.780 and it actually gets harder to get rid of them look at communism marx would be spinning in his

01:17:53.460 grave if he could see what became of communism because where it started which was the class 0.58

01:17:59.220 critique how did it become about women of this feminist this gay right this trans 1.00

01:18:06.740 shit it's because they were making the exact same bargain they were saying we're going to gather 1.00

01:18:12.500 everyone we can from the fringes regardless of how anti-social or sociopathic or up they are 0.97

01:18:19.700 as long as they align on this one issue which is toppling the current power structure

01:18:25.780 then they did that and you couldn't purge them all because there's too many of

01:18:29.780 them and you didn't have the internal logic to sort who the bad ones were

01:18:33.860 then they ended up consuming the entire thing and that's where communism is right now it's just like 0.99

01:18:41.440 gay black nonsense you know i mean it's trans it's it's so far from where it was and you that 1.00

01:18:47.640 is what you risk when you allow these people and that's what happened to you can even tell 1.00

01:18:52.700 the story of adam waffen or the iron march where you let a few of them in and you don't have the

01:18:57.960 internal capacity for policing to get rid of them because you know they're they're drug addicted 0.98

01:19:04.660 trannies then they eventually end up leading the organization now it's just a drug addicted 1.00

01:19:08.940 tranny pedophile thing and it seems to keep happening it happens again and again again 1.00

01:19:15.240 where you tolerate it they centralize their power and then it's very difficult to get rid of them 0.69

01:19:20.240 later you are quite literally making a deal with the devil and i have to believe there's another

01:19:26.780 a way to do this i have to believe that just vacuuming up all the freaks from the fringes 0.63

01:19:34.040 from the periphery of society might not be the best way to do it that's what the communists do

01:19:38.220 and they're not doing a very good job despite what you guys may think you think we're infighting a 0.90

01:19:42.520 lot over here it's a fucking nightmare over there oh yeah um so if we're allowing this guy to say 0.97

01:19:50.080 well why not if you believe he does he is into pregnant 10 year olds and why not an actual 0.99

01:19:57.080 pedophile as long as he's helping us as long as he's anti-global south as long as he's trying to

01:20:03.340 close the border there has to be markers there has to be red flags there has to be certain

01:20:09.500 behavioral qualities that you won't support and it you know because then also why not just allow

01:20:15.000 every leftist to come over here it used to be taken for granted that the reason you didn't do

01:20:22.060 that was because even though they can seemingly walk the walk they're smuggling in all kinds of

01:20:29.360 ideological priors and they will subvert you the re so to make this even more clear the reason you

01:20:33.780 don't want these people in here is because they will subvert you that is what they do so do you

01:20:39.660 think is subversion something you want to avoid right all right so stop so eagerly making deals 1.00

01:20:45.880 with the fucking devil with these degenerate fucking freaks yeah and i'm saying this from 1.00

01:20:51.020 a place of caring we've seen these organizations collapse from within because you allowed 1.00

01:20:55.800 this cancer to fucking spread and if hey guys out there gen the gen z's listening i have noticed 0.98

01:21:03.800 this is more of a problem with your generation you gotta stop with the cunning posting you just 0.99

01:21:08.500 you gotta stop i know the ironic gay posting and the ironic quote-unquote ironic trans posting 0.97

01:21:14.340 like oh look guys i'm trans for the next six months no stop guys all the the thug shaker stuff 0.99

01:21:20.100 we had some people sharing those gifts so what what what thug shaker is it's a gay black pornography 0.99

01:21:29.620 so they think it's a joke to like hey here's something funny here's some gay black pornography 0.99

01:21:34.340 and uh once again i don't get it banned banned and they're like oh man this guy like he's these 0.98

01:21:42.340 guys are chuds these guys they don't get it i'm like you gotta stop with this man you gotta stop 0.87

01:21:48.280 with the gay and maybe we're to blame because i think some of the jokes that we tell like we make 0.97

01:21:53.480 like gay parodies of songs i thought was always kind of you know popular across the generation

01:21:59.100 but hey maybe we're to blame you know what you know what yeah no you're you're actually right

01:22:03.080 about that we need to take some of the blame for it because i mean it's in the in the context of 0.98

01:22:08.020 what the zoomers are doing now everything that we do looks you know it's invisible but if you go 0.97

01:22:13.660 back 15 years we were doing the same things i'm sure gen x was looking at us like what the fuck 1.00

01:22:17.580 these kids like doing like like this like slap ass type jokes but we would never go anywhere 0.98

01:22:22.440 near as far as these zoomers would go but we were doing it the point is is we need to identify as a 1.00

01:22:27.120 group let's not even make it generational as a movement as a as a civilization just say the buck 0.95

01:22:32.240 stops here let's dial it all the way back to zero it's it's over gay homosexuality is fundamentally 0.98

01:22:39.300 wrong and anywhere it exists it should be stamped out with iron as as fast and as hard as you can 0.99

01:22:44.760 it should be destroyed and the same thing with with incest and with pedophilia and with most

01:22:50.280 all the things that we're talking about there's no it should always always always be an immediate

01:22:55.500 violent disgust reaction where it exists and if somebody in your organization is forwarding it

01:23:01.320 you should get rid of them get them in close them out publicly so they can no longer post

01:23:05.560 but then you should probably go and you know lend a shoulder to them and try to you know if they're

01:23:10.880 actually one of your guys let's get them on the correct path maybe they they've been following

01:23:16.180 some weird homosexual italian like nick fuentes so they'll say to me dimes your purity spiraling 0.79

01:23:24.040 to which i would say no we are currently in purity spiraling 0.99

01:23:28.060 clear them out yes we we're spiraling recklessly towards total we've got both hands on the e-brake

01:23:37.460 and you're yelling at me to let go no i'm not gonna and there actually is no benefit to this

01:23:42.360 guys like you're not actually scared you know you're not doing this to scare the numbers you're

01:23:46.140 doing this to get past pats and up dudes amongst your other degenerate friends because every time

01:23:51.060 i've seen it that's all you get because you're not talking to normies you're talking to your 0.98

01:23:54.940 groiper pals or whoever the fuck you know i mean so just stop lying about why you're doing like i 0.95

01:24:00.560 said earlier it's a shibboleth that you like it's it's just uh it's just a mark of in-group preference 0.97

01:24:04.420 and that's the problem with it once it gets going and a handful of guys do it then guys who may not

01:24:08.700 even you know may not even like it will start doing it because it's like okay this is what

01:24:12.960 we're doing now i don't like it but it's funny and ha ha ha and then after a while it's not just 0.89

01:24:16.540 funny that you start to you know you now you fucking actually like it and that's bad i i 0.84

01:24:21.320 wanted to say i was thinking about this and there's something about this this the nature of 0.95

01:24:25.920 this compromise where you want to bring people in and allow them in even though they only agree

01:24:30.700 with five percent of your principles the one part of it is like natural weakness is the belief that

01:24:36.520 i cannot do this on my own we as a small group of you people united in principle and morality

01:24:42.080 can never win and i the ib is i am weak we are weak and the only way we can win is if we have 0.98

01:24:48.220 the majority with us which is to me it's it's weak it's a slave mentality and it's fucking it's kind 0.98

01:24:53.820 of liberal isn't it the other thing is it's democratic right it's this idea that it doesn't 0.98

01:24:58.820 matter if we don't agree with everybody all the time we need to strict quote-unquote strategically

01:25:03.740 tactically really get the uh get the mandate of the majority on our side so that we can like win

01:25:11.220 votes in the narrative game but again we don't like democracy democracy is one of the things

01:25:17.620 we are principled against we want to destroy democracy wherever it exists democracy is evil

01:25:24.420 so why on earth are we playing democracy games we don't want a majority we want a strong well-armed

01:25:31.380 and dangerous minority who cannot be crossed we're not we're no longer in the age of the mass movement

01:25:38.420 yeah the mass movement that was a hundred years ago these guys bugging me but like hey they beat 0.58

01:25:43.700 us with a hundred year march through the institutions we should do the same thing

01:25:46.740 no that's the irony of this we don't need to do a hundred year march through the institutions with

01:25:51.220 an 80 majority we can have a six percent minority with technology and strategies that they've never

01:25:57.220 seen of there's that they've never seen before and we can put their families in a pit spiritually

01:26:03.620 yeah there's there's more opportunities now and every time they we describe ourselves as

01:26:09.220 deracinated black-pilled or you know completely subverted i'd say yes we are but we're also the

01:26:16.500 only ones crawling our ways out of it look at how bad your average lip is like if we are all

01:26:21.540 deracinated and black-pilled everyone else is way worse so in that landscape the five well-trained

01:26:29.700 guys are actually like an atom bomb going off like you're not you're not you're not in the

01:26:35.060 mid-20th century where everyone kind of served in the military all right so move on to the next thing

01:26:41.540 now and just i guess there's some show news i i'm going to say everyone subscribe to the paywall

01:26:47.940 go on patreon and gumroad you get access to our sister show um which is real secret coffee hours

01:26:56.020 where we do a lot more of this we've heard this episode more acutely complaining about specific

01:27:03.620 people in space and disagreeing with uh their substacks their takes every episode i don't start

01:27:10.980 off disagreeing i'm like this is a hey hey i haven't read this yet i like this guy and it

01:27:17.460 seems like a good title by the end i'm like screaming at the screen um also i've brought

01:27:26.020 back movie corner i was publishing really short movie reviews on the paywall um and i was doing

01:27:33.860 that for a bit then i just stopped for a long time and i'm bringing it back now so because i had a

01:27:38.580 few people messaging me saying they really missed the movie reviews so i brought that back so anyone

01:27:44.740 who's interested in that look at the gumroad look at the patreon um i wanted to get into this book

01:27:52.580 that i read recently and this like the last one which was a pretty divisive book the atlantis 2

01:28:00.340 one you remember that yeah um this one has no real relation to that this is just one i had on

01:28:07.700 the list for a long time is recommended by a friend of mine named sean wyland who's been

01:28:14.020 pretty good about book recommendations his area focus is economics and he uh he recommended this

01:28:21.380 it was buried with his recommendations the title is the grasshopper games life and utopia and this

01:28:28.580 is by bernard suits um and it's it's a philosophy book it's an interesting book and you know i was

01:28:37.300 struggling with this one because i was reading it and i was trying to take notes and it wasn't clear

01:28:42.740 at the outset what it was even about i liked the title the games life in utopia i'm like okay i was

01:28:48.740 doing some writing even on utopia recently and i thought okay um it's a true socratic dialogue

01:28:58.260 and i think i even described something like that last episode and it wasn't just because there's

01:29:04.020 dialogue or character speaking doesn't mean it's a socratic dialogue but this is and nearly the

01:29:09.220 entire book is and it's between these characters trying to get into the bottom of an idea and it's

01:29:15.140 framed with a very very loose narrative like a story it's about a grasshopper there's talking

01:29:20.180 insects in this thing and um this was published in 1978 and um so i i'll just kind of explain it to

01:29:30.660 you um let me just share the screen so the idea is just to set it up there's a few grasshoppers

01:29:40.740 they're having a conversation there's this one wise grasshopper and winter's approaching fall

01:29:46.500 is approaching and they're about to die and this grasshopper is something of a philosopher

01:29:52.980 and he makes a claim before he dies he's recounting a dream that he had saying that he was

01:30:00.100 possessed by this idea that everyone in the world every other insect that you can see

01:30:07.300 is secretly a grasshopper and that all these grasshoppers are playing a game a game that

01:30:14.900 they don't know that they're playing and then he kind of leaves them with this riddle and then he

01:30:20.660 dies and then he's leave left these other bugs these other grasshoppers to figure out what the

01:30:25.780 he meant and the rest of the book is just them hashing this out amongst themselves and so

01:30:33.540 So it wasn't too clear to me at the start what this even was, what it was about.

01:30:39.040 And then it became clear as I was reading that it's about the nature of what a game is.

01:30:44.020 And this is a philosophy book, so you might not have a whole lot of patience for it,

01:30:48.280 but I'm going to just try and describe it in such a way that it made sense to me.

01:30:52.660 Maybe this is even the problem.

01:30:53.800 I actually, like philosophically, I have a huge amount of respect for the importance of games.

01:30:58.660 I'm a big game head, so maybe I will like this.

01:31:01.520 actually we're a couple of gamers he starts by trying to get to the mom what a game is

01:31:09.760 and when many people hear a game they think of something frivolous it's something children do

01:31:15.240 it's something you do to kill the time um or it's it's fake you would see i'm thinking of

01:31:22.220 the matrix right you would hear you know a trench coat type guy in high school say you're a bunch

01:31:29.360 of sheep playing a game man it's an arbitrary game as if there's something more pure or more

01:31:37.760 sensible outside of the game they can simply stop playing the game and access real life that's kind

01:31:42.620 of what the matrix is about in a lot of ways and the matrix is also about how you keep stepping

01:31:47.820 back and revealing more and more about the game that you're playing that you didn't know that you

01:31:52.680 were playing but the book's really about how and this is my interpretation games aren't frivolous

01:31:59.540 they're not random and they're not stupid in fact you know by the end of the book he agrees that the

01:32:06.340 assertion is true we are all playing a game but games are highly important um and games are kind

01:32:12.940 of and this does relate to utopia and it relates to the idea of work like games are separate from

01:32:20.500 work and he's trying to actually merge those two things together so he sets it up here early on

01:32:28.260 and i'm not going to just read the dialogue between these two insects i'm going to capture

01:32:32.420 some segments from what they're saying but because this really is just a philosophical

01:32:37.460 text a lot of the author a lot of it's just them explain what the author's thinking so it's it's

01:32:42.900 just written in a singular voice anyway more or less he says rather it's the logic of my position

01:32:49.940 which is at issue and that's logic shows that prudential actions which we can call work like

01:32:56.460 work actions are self-defeating in principle for prudence may be defined as the disposition one

01:33:02.660 to sacrifice something good which is leisure if and only if such sacrifice is necessary for

01:33:09.800 obtaining something better like survival and what he's describing there is this idea that

01:33:14.220 look there's work that you do just because you got to survive and then there's what you really

01:33:18.580 want to do which is leisure which is nothing and you're sacrificing leisure to work and he's kind

01:33:24.400 of challenging that idea there he says and two to reduce the number of good things requiring

01:33:29.740 sacrifice ideally to zero the ideal of prudence therefore like the idea ideal of preventative

01:33:36.680 medicine is its own extinction for if it were the case that no sacrifices of goods needed to ever be

01:33:42.420 made then prudential actions would be pointless indeed impossible so he's kind of talking like

01:33:46.900 okay the purpose of work is to mat your sacrifice is something you want to do to for survival and

01:33:55.780 that you should reduce the number of good things requiring the sacrifice of work so your idea of

01:34:01.940 utopia is what almost eternal infinite leisure right but in utopia by that metric there wouldn't

01:34:11.300 be any work at all right utopia is imprudent yeah it's improved and you're just seeing 1.00

01:34:17.140 work as a sacrifice in fact that might very well be what animates many of the marxists he's

01:34:22.900 challenging that idea and uh and i right away i had to this is kind of buried in some other stuff

01:34:28.660 i'm like okay i think i'm getting this now and he says uh here's here's the grasshopper's dream

01:34:34.740 that's described me he says then let me tell you that i've always had a recurring dream which is

01:34:38.580 revealed to me though how it's revealed i cannot say that everyone alive is in fact engaged in

01:34:44.900 playing elaborate games while at the same time believing themselves to be going about their

01:34:49.380 ordinary affairs carpenters believing themselves to merely be pursuing their trade are really

01:34:55.060 playing a game like politicians philosophers lovers murderers thieves and saints whatever

01:35:00.900 occupation or activity you can think of is in reality a game then i awaken to the joyful

01:35:06.020 knowledge that the world is still teeming with sentient beings after all and that it was only

01:35:10.340 a dream i see the carpenter and the philosopher going on with their work as before but is it i

01:35:16.100 asked myself just as before is the carpenter on his rooftop simply hammering nails or is he making

01:35:21.540 some move in an ancient game whose rules i have forgotten and so not long after this the grasshopper

01:35:28.420 dies and curses every other insect to just mull this over until they die as well

01:35:37.460 um now he kind of spends quite a bit of book like defining what work is the back and forth

01:35:45.180 it's all about okay yes i accept that games describe these things but not all things then

01:35:50.220 it kind of expands expands until eventually he explains that everything is a game by the

01:35:56.140 way to define the game which is this he says he says let us now baldly characterize work as

01:36:02.200 technical activity by which i mean activity in which an agent seeks to employ the most efficient

01:36:06.920 available means for reaching a desired goal since games too evidently have goals and since means are

01:36:13.900 evidently employed for their attainment the possibility suggests itself that games differ

01:36:18.920 from technical activities and that the means employed in games are not the most efficient

01:36:22.860 which is what some people would say it's like well you know work is trying to get from point

01:36:27.160 a to point b but games it's it's there's all these rules to over complicate it is it let us say then

01:36:33.100 the games are goal directed activities in which inefficient means are intentionally chosen the

01:36:40.080 belief that working and playing games are quite different things is very widespread you know we

01:36:44.560 seem obliged or obliged to say that playing a game is just another job to be done as competently as

01:36:51.120 possible before giving up this thesis that playing a game involves a sacrifice of efficiency

01:36:56.580 therefore let's consider one or more example suppose i make it my purpose to get a small

01:37:02.560 round object into the hole in the ground as efficiently as possible placing it in the hole

01:37:06.680 with my hand would be a natural means to adopt but surely i would not take a stick with a piece

01:37:11.620 of metal on one end of it walk three or four hundred yards away from the hole and then attempt

01:37:15.380 to propel the ball into the hole with a stick that would not be technically intelligent he's

01:37:20.220 describing golf of course but such an undertaking is extremely popular game and thus foregoing

01:37:25.200 foregoing way of describing evidently shows how games differ from technical activities

01:37:29.820 thus if my end were simply to get a ball into a number of holes in the ground i would simply not

01:37:35.440 likely use a golf club in order to achieve nor would i stand at a considerable distance from

01:37:40.080 the hole so he's talking about like okay what makes a game a game some people think is that it

01:37:46.040 just over complicates things and introduces rules just to make things purposefully inefficient

01:37:52.160 let me just jump ahead and explain what i think he's getting at with this which is that

01:37:58.580 the most efficient way to achieve most things in this life might very well be criminal and there's

01:38:08.480 a reason we don't permit criminality that is such an amazing spin i didn't even think that

01:38:15.260 because like like work is efficient it's technical it's it's not over complicated but

01:38:20.240 arguably insider trading or like we were talking talking about earlier with the pedophiles like

01:38:25.560 the most efficient way to have tons and tons of kids is to impregnate nine-year-olds like 1.00

01:38:29.960 biologically that's the most efficient way to rape to just rape a bunch of in fact to rape as 1.00

01:38:35.340 many of them as you can to rape hundreds of them right wouldn't that be the most efficient way to 0.98

01:38:39.600 reproduce if we're just talking about mechanical efficiency yeah so obviously there are reasons

01:38:44.740 there are reasons and so it's like okay a game just introduces a random obstacle not necessarily

01:38:52.440 because the obstacle that is introduced could be to the benefit of something else because the

01:38:58.140 purpose of golf isn't just to get a ball in a hole it's to get you to master wind resistance

01:39:05.440 and distance and topography and all these other things so you're at coordination yeah you introduce

01:39:11.880 an obstacle in the interest of arguably a more beneficial social act so yes it would be technically 0.94

01:39:19.180 expedient and maybe even the most efficient to just rape 14 year olds to have the most children

01:39:26.640 but that causes all kinds of other negative effects so we introduce the obstacles to that

01:39:33.420 and it turns out that those obstacles the game that we have to play this courtship game what is

01:39:39.560 courtship courtship is a game with rules that we play that you can win or lose at but if you

01:39:45.240 and there are age limits and time limits and you can only try so many times and if you win you

01:39:50.520 can't play again like there's and and these rules work how do we know because we built the greatest

01:39:55.400 empire on earth following these rules exactly and so almost everything that works in that sense is

01:40:03.240 a game and once i figure that i'm like okay again now also like economically you're not allowed to

01:40:09.320 insider trade however insider trading almost makes intuitive sense it's hyper efficient like what if

01:40:16.280 i got some information no one else has i'll be honest with you i think 50 or 100 years from now

01:40:21.000 fractional reserve banking will be on that list that it's something that we do now simply because

01:40:25.640 it's hyper efficient and we haven't realized because it's recent that it's it's incredibly

01:40:30.760 bad in the long run and it actually go by the wayside and we'll say no that's that's essentially

01:40:35.320 it's the financial version of child rape we can't do that anymore you make you add so many obstacles 0.98

01:40:41.000 that sociopathic retards can't win at it and because you don't want them to win you actually 1.00

01:40:47.400 want them on the fringes of society so they are sorted out of the game because they're not equipped 1.00

01:40:52.440 to play the game because they keep fucking cheating at it um so that that to me was what 0.87

01:40:57.560 i really took from this and i'll just keep kind of going into this point a bit further here he says 0.94

01:41:02.120 the main point is that the end here in question is not the end of winning the game there must be

01:41:08.300 an end which is distinct from winning because is the restriction of means this other end which

01:41:13.280 makes winning possible but also defines what it means to win in defining a game we shall therefore

01:41:18.540 have to take into account these two ends and as we will see as we shall see a third end as well

01:41:24.560 first there's the end which consists of simply a certain state of affairs a juxtaposition of

01:41:30.000 pieces on the board saving a friend's life crossing a finish line then when a restriction

01:41:35.320 of means for attaining this is made with the introduction of rules we have a good second end

01:41:39.640 which is winning so there's like accomplishing the goal but then if you add an impediment and

01:41:46.480 you overcome that then you have a different type of victory there which is an interesting idea

01:41:50.420 finally with the stipulation of what it means to win a third end emerges the activity of trying to

01:41:56.360 win that is playing the game so that's interesting it's like okay the most efficient thing would be

01:42:01.620 to accomplish a task but if you introduce an arbitrary instruction then it's not it's

01:42:07.500 accomplishing the task plus winning and then the third end is like if you go into it knowing it's

01:42:13.340 there it's like you are purpose-driven to win that game not just to accomplish the task because 0.92

01:42:18.820 hitting a ball in a hole serves no fucking function you act you're doing it because you want to

01:42:24.720 dominate the obstacles themselves which is a kind of interesting way of looking at too 0.93

01:42:30.380 to play a game you can use on here says to play a game is to attempt to achieve a specific state

01:42:37.600 of affairs using only means permitted by rules where the rules prohibit use of more efficient

01:42:43.120 behavior in favor of less efficient means and where the rules are accepted just because they

01:42:48.880 make possible such activity i also offer the following simpler more portable version of the

01:42:55.040 above playing a game is the voluntary attempt to overcome unnecessary obstacles i think that's a

01:43:00.720 good baseline definition of it and maybe if you just said that to someone they'd be like yeah 0.93

01:43:06.480 that sounds stupid and i think that's in so many instances what leftists are trying to do away with 0.88

01:43:12.880 they see these things as inefficiencies because what they're trying to access is this utopian 0.99

01:43:18.080 realm they assume is lurking behind everything the the trick i think is the phrase unnecessary

01:43:24.240 it's the voluntary attempt to overcome unnecessary obstacles but the the obstacles are necessary in

01:43:29.440 order to get the the prize right and the reason that leftists are mad about it is because they

01:43:34.000 want the prize without having to play and win the game they don't want to play and they don't

01:43:37.760 want to have to win because they always lose because they're mutants but they want the prize

01:43:41.280 which is a civilized society where everything is done for them and their socks are clean

01:43:45.120 and their food is good but you can't have that unless you overcome the obstacles so the obstacles

01:43:49.840 are actually they are necessary right the obstacles are necessary if you want to have if you want to

01:43:55.360 have a dollar for a dozen eggs i'm so happy that you're like on the same wavelength i might have

01:44:01.280 actually read this book a long time ago i think it's a known high school i read tons of this like

01:44:07.600 heady you know like ged or was it go to lesher bach and a bunch of like this kind of stuff

01:44:12.560 allegorical philosophy okay that escher bachwin is that good because i used to see that oh man

01:44:18.000 i have it on my shelf still i haven't read i think i was like 16 when i read it i didn't

01:44:21.440 understand it i gotta read it again i was the same way like i'm a young guy in a bookstore

01:44:27.600 and i see that book and it's like a tone it's so big and i'm looking at it and you know i haven't

01:44:34.240 read any other philosophy i haven't read anything else so i'm looking at this like i don't know

01:44:37.920 what this is like the the cover doesn't even make sense to me you know it's called it's called

01:44:43.920 godel escher bach and eternal braid or something like that and so i'm like i don't i can't even

01:44:50.000 begin to conceptualize what this is even about so it's always sat on top of my mind like man that

01:44:55.360 must be the smartest book in the world i just remember it playing around with a lot of like

01:44:59.120 the philosophical relationships between reality and mathematics and like recursion and things like

01:45:05.360 that like it's just a lot of play playing around with mathematical patterns and the way that they

01:45:10.320 relate to sociology and civilization and it's fun no it's it's just a fun book but most people don't

01:45:16.640 do that and um you're i think when you read something like that you can feel you reshaping

01:45:24.960 your own mind like i remember one of those books for me when i was like 14 15 or something i might

01:45:32.000 have the date wrong but it was stephen hawking's the universe in a nutshell and i'd read no other

01:45:38.560 physics books or theoretical physics books but it sounded interesting i was just compelled to get

01:45:44.320 it at the hardcover copy i remember reading it over and over again like 12 times because it was

01:45:51.040 just using this language and concepts i had never seen before it's a it's a crazy book just to jump

01:45:57.200 been to if you if you're that your brain isn't equipped to unpack this yet i just remember like

01:46:03.240 reading something and then flipping to the glossary yes and then like yeah i don't know what this like

01:46:08.380 what is string theory again but i it's hard i spent a lot of time looking stuff up and you know

01:46:14.220 we're old enough that you know there was a time when i was going back and forth depending on how

01:46:18.900 bad my internet was to an actual paper dictionary to look things up to understand these books and 0.97

01:46:23.840 I'm fine with admitting that I'm too fucking dumb and uneducated to understand this because in the process of looking it up, you are actually learning more than you would if you're skimming over something which is below your level. 0.82

01:46:35.000 Yeah, it's the wildest feeling where it's like, I have an interest in knowing this, but I'm also very aware that my brain isn't processing what I'm reading. 0.99

01:46:44.620 So you have to read it again and you slowly start to get it.

01:46:47.000 but then you get this higher level of awareness that oh like the tool that i have needs to like

01:46:53.340 advance just to encapsulate all this stuff because this is like it's getting into mathematics is

01:46:57.680 getting into just imagining time in a way that i never envisioned before so hell yeah it's like

01:47:04.700 doing like lsd or something for the first time like it's like it unlocks something in you and 0.88

01:47:09.080 you're like literally some pbs shit dude reading books is like doing lsd well also art adventure 0.77

01:47:15.580 well the funny thing is like it sucks at the time because it's like it's work it's not fun 0.99

01:47:20.680 like it's kind of interesting but you are still like alone reading something and you can't talk 0.84

01:47:25.660 about it to people because you don't even understand it yet because they'll call you gay 1.00

01:47:29.080 because they'll call you a fucking nerd trying and also your parents are dumb as shit also 1.00

01:47:33.220 yeah also that yeah also like no everyone in your life sucks and you're the only one who's like i 1.00

01:47:41.120 found a new nobody understands me your fucking parents like you want to read a book don't you 1.00

01:47:46.960 just want to sit in your room and be quiet don't you want to jack off don't you want to fucking 1.00

01:47:51.880 don't you want to get caught by the police doing something don't you want to get caught jacking 1.00

01:47:55.860 off by the police i'm like i guess it's like you're getting a fight then they're like okay

01:48:01.640 just two more bites just go get jack off at the bus station or something you got to come out of

01:48:06.420 your cave come on look who came down from his cave like i'm i'm trying to understand physics

01:48:11.660 up there i'm actually trying i'm trying to be smart i i just i came online and realized that 0.62

01:48:18.880 i'm not smart son i'm worried about you the other boys your age are cunny posting

01:48:22.700 you're reading books that's son judas it's me your aboriginal father 0.98

01:48:30.540 your friends are cunny posting 1.00

01:48:34.080 i i do not want to have a chud son 0.61

01:48:41.120 brain world theory 0.80

01:48:51.780 they say the universe is in a nutshell just only having read the first page

01:49:02.600 reading the subtitle to him yeah um so he continues on here it says uh i would define an

01:49:09.800 open game generically as a system of reciprocally enabled moves whose purpose is the continued

01:49:15.740 operation of the system then as you suggest various species can be found within this larger class

01:49:21.720 open athletic games perhaps would make up such a species because all the moves of such games would

01:49:26.980 be bodily maneuvers like soccer hockey or something games of make-believe then would

01:49:31.640 also be another species for in all of them the moves would be dramatic performances um here

01:49:37.780 shrek thus correctly specified a game of make-believe as being a reciprocating system of

01:49:43.800 role performance maximization is that the distinction between closed games like chess

01:49:49.440 and open games cuts across the distinction between games like baseball and games like cops and

01:49:54.540 robbers thus both a ping pong rally and cops and robbers are open games even though one involves

01:50:00.900 performance of dramatic roles and the other does not and baseball and charades are both

01:50:06.580 closed games even though again one involves performance and the other does not so here's

01:50:12.340 he's introduced the idea it's not just you know it's not just golf it's not just playing solitaire

01:50:17.060 it's also an agreed upon interaction of performing roles and kids do this all the time and i used to

01:50:24.740 think back on being a kid like when you go play you know playing cops robbers cowboys and indians 0.93

01:50:30.260 or whatever fucking comic book you're reading and you're just running around the park you're 0.94

01:50:35.060 like i have powers i have ice powers and so well i actually have fire powers so that cancels out 0.99

01:50:40.500 your five spreads okay it cancels out and i just uh i have laser vision too no you can't have laser

01:50:45.060 vision you know i mean like you're negotiating just made up stuff as kids you know and there's

01:50:51.780 no like rule book for that but it's interesting how that still emerges and if one kid refuses

01:50:58.180 he's like oh i actually have all the powers i have the most super powers and so i defeat you

01:51:02.180 i'm like well then i'm not playing with you because you just wanted to cheat you know

01:51:08.260 and uh i i guess we in some ways continue that to this day um now he continues on here and he

01:51:14.420 relates this to utopia and what he's really into utopia is indeed the the idea of work at the start

01:51:21.780 and he brings her in work as his performance of doing these roles of completing something in

01:51:28.120 perhaps less efficient way just because that's the way you do it to justify the system but also

01:51:33.880 the justification of that system is in a sense morality itself he says well then if no evil can

01:51:39.800 befall anyone in utopia there will simply be no demand for the performances of good deeds i mean

01:51:46.720 in a world of no evil why would you need to do good things there will in fact that will or they

01:51:52.840 will in fact be quite impossible and therefore not a means for gaining approval morality is

01:51:58.920 relevant relevant only to the extent that the ideal has not been realized but there's no room

01:52:05.360 at all for morality in the ideal itself just as there's no room for revolution in the ideal which

01:52:11.120 inspires revolutionary action then it seems that there is nothing one can do in utopia

01:52:16.160 in order to gain approval but we're talking about approval only to try and discover whether such

01:52:21.620 things as love and friendship could exist in utopia i believe that utopia is intelligible

01:52:28.300 and i believe that game playing is what makes utopia intelligible what we've shown thus far

01:52:33.240 there doesn't have to be there doesn't appear to be anything to do in utopia precisely because in

01:52:39.400 utopia all instrumental activities have been eliminated so in utopia this would be the post 0.95

01:52:46.780 scarcity gay race communism paradise no one needs to work no one needs to do anything there's only 0.96

01:52:54.300 we've we've we've perfected everything and then all you have left is leisure but i think 0.94

01:53:00.100 at the end of this you realize that life isn't just a leisure life isn't just because why

01:53:06.620 net he wrote this in the 70s could he predict where we are in 2025 when you could hook yourself 0.96

01:53:13.640 up like in the owen cyclops comic hooked up with an iv of wine with an auto masturbation machine

01:53:20.720 a vr headset and you know dopamine on the other arm it's like yeah why not that is that not utopia

01:53:26.780 or does that seem abhorrent explain to me why it's one and not the other you know what i mean

01:53:32.440 yeah yeah so um he says i am i am truly the grasshopper that is a dumberation of the ideal

01:53:41.080 of existence just as the games we play in our non-utopian lives are imitations of things to come

01:53:47.400 for even now it is games which give us something to do when there's nothing to do we thus call

01:53:52.680 games pastimes and regard them as trifling fillers of the inter interities of our lives

01:53:58.600 but they are much more important than that they are clues to the future and their serious

01:54:03.640 cultivation now is perhaps our only salvation that is if you like it the metaphysics of leisure time

01:54:10.260 and this is the last segment here and here after this we can get going or get your closing thoughts

01:54:15.520 he says i saw time passing in utopia and i saw the strivers and seekers coming to the conclusion

01:54:22.640 that if their lives were merely games, then those lives were scarcely worth living.

01:54:28.060 Thus motivated, they began to delude themselves into believing that man-made houses were more valuable

01:54:33.140 than computer-produced houses, and that long-solved scientific problems needed resolving.

01:54:39.180 Then they began to persuade others of the truth of these opinions,

01:54:42.280 and even went so far as to represent the computers as the enemies of mankind.

01:54:46.840 Finally, they enacted legislation prescribing their use.

01:54:50.320 Then more time passed, and it seemed to everyone that the carpentry game and the science game were not games at all, but vitally necessary tasks which had to be performed in order for mankind to survive.

01:55:02.520 Thus, although all the apparently productive activities of men were games, they were not believed to be games.

01:55:09.040 Games were once again relegated to the role of mere pastimes useful for bridging the gaps in our serious endeavors.

01:55:15.300 and if it had been possible to convince these people that they were in fact playing games they

01:55:20.380 would have felt that their whole lives had been as nothing a mere stage play or an empty dream

01:55:25.880 the message of the dream now seems perfectly clear the dream was saying to me come now grasshopper

01:55:31.100 you know very well that most people will not want to spend their lives playing games

01:55:34.600 life for no most people will not be worth living if they cannot believe they're doing something

01:55:38.780 useful whether it's providing for their families or formulating a theory of relativity

01:55:44.720 so there at the end um you know what i was interpreting this as it's like we are playing

01:55:50.280 games people can't believe they're playing games because they need to believe what they're doing

01:55:54.620 is more important but it creates this strange dichotomy where the important thing becomes 0.99

01:56:02.820 something they would rather not do or they believe and this is what so many baby boomers do it's like 0.79

01:56:07.580 i spent my whole life working i hate working and i just want to live for my leisure time that's 0.67

01:56:12.520 what retirement is and they see even retirement as their true life this other life this life of

01:56:19.740 work was like a false life or a life lived in miserable service to access the real life which

01:56:28.200 is just leisure time and i don't think it's ever what they think it's cracked up to be you know

01:56:33.600 what i mean like if you understand that everything is a game but games are important games are more

01:56:41.220 than just you know trifling time wasters that then you can fit morality into that because

01:56:48.980 it's like that that's sort of like the the glue between all these different things and it's not

01:56:54.120 it's not arbitrary i think once he ends this is like these rules and these games are not

01:56:59.240 completely arbitrary and they're not just to kill time or fill the void sorry i think i cut you off

01:57:05.580 there i was just thinking about it that um because i wonder how much of the comments about i forget

01:57:10.720 really uh how the comments about morality were from the text or whether that was something you

01:57:15.040 and i were just talking about something you added in but it seems like uh their concept in the book

01:57:19.520 of prudence and morality which in this context is a game are are um you know they're in opposition

01:57:27.440 you know you can't be prudent and moral because in you know prudence is prudence is breaking

01:57:33.360 morality in order to reach something in a more efficient way and then morality is a game it's

01:57:37.840 it's setting artificial rules and i'm thinking about the like this is a very christian thing

01:57:41.760 right like to me this is this is the protestant work ethic it's catholic as well but um thinking

01:57:46.560 about like kind of like calvinism like the diligence and and discipline and frugality and

01:57:52.480 and like that that way of living that to a lot of people seems like a totally artificial state

01:57:58.320 of deprivation but yeah no i wanted to say oh that's just like a bizarre faith but like

01:58:03.760 it's a game it's a game that calvinists or protestants more broadly play and they play it

01:58:11.520 in order to achieve something else you know their morality is in they recognize that the morality

01:58:19.040 can be found within the rules of the game which is the work ethic and that's why so many uh marxists

01:58:25.440 and leftists struggle and hate that because to them working for the sake of work is slavery

01:58:31.280 their entire goal is to liberate people from having to work and that the desire to work is

01:58:37.820 a sucker's game they'll tell you that to your face and they can't understand the the purpose

01:58:44.620 of playing these games it's not just a subversion it's not just propaganda from the powers that be 0.94

01:58:51.760 it's it is everything that we do so it's a much more complex idea because to them everything is

01:58:58.100 is a pyramid of conspiracy really anyway i'm so happy that you like this um when i was first

01:59:04.800 reading it i was like i'm not sure if i like this but the more i thought about it as you were saying

01:59:07.980 i was relating it to the morality discussion only because i was drawing those conclusions as we were

01:59:13.960 talking about it as we're talking about i relate to this like oh this is okay now it makes even

01:59:18.840 more sense to me at least i i feel like the i don't know anything about the author but this

01:59:22.480 doesn't feel like a hands-off social theory like he's got to be christian or at least like a

01:59:27.300 traditionalist of some stripe this guy didn't even look at him at all let me look um

01:59:33.000 okay this is interesting i'm looking at the university the university of waterloo do you

01:59:40.040 work at waterloo no way he's a local bernard suits is known for his contribution to the

01:59:45.820 philosophy of sport so he's like a cool philosopher um suits his philosophic inquiry

01:59:52.620 to games and gaming has been seen in the publication actually born in detroit suit

01:59:57.660 served in the navy before serving receiving his phd in philosophy from university of illinois uh

02:00:05.580 yeah maybe it didn't go into his entire career here i want to know he might very well have had 0.66

02:00:11.500 more practical hands-on knowledge um maybe he i hope he just wasn't sucking and his way across

02:00:17.900 the navy oh no i think yeah i think he ended up at the university of waterloo though i'm seeing a lot

02:00:25.900 of uh uh publishing here about uh him getting distinguished teacher awards and stuff so yeah

02:00:31.900 he found his way to water waterloo that's the one in canada right yeah it's not another waterloo

02:00:37.660 waterloo no university well i mean it's that's a big university too that's a good one

02:00:42.220 oh here's how i know it's in canada because there's a land acknowledgement at the end of the

02:00:46.060 website he said takes place in traditional territory of the new the neutral there's no

02:00:52.780 neutral is there a tribe called the neutral people the national part

02:00:59.580 the territory of the neutral anishabeg and hasurani peoples okay honestly 0.56

02:01:05.500 this one school camping on the land of three different peoples that's just silly that's a 0.61

02:01:11.420 non-serious that's a non-serious race to be if i'm even on the list they let me see no come on

02:01:21.320 that's a that's a hate crime not even a lowercase w 0.73

02:01:26.220 wiggers are the real n-word i don't mind saying it by the way

02:01:32.160 all right this has been a grandpa's and i'll let you go yeah man i'll talk to you later

02:01:37.000 welcome back film cells to episode 26 i am joined for this episode by dimes how are you doing sir

02:02:01.760 i'm doing great i'd ever uh seen one of these from you before i didn't know about film cells

02:02:07.200 that's fucking brilliant you know it's hard to get i get i get so self-conscious at just how i i 0.62

02:02:14.660 just even greet the audience because i feel so many people like morgoth has hello folks i can't 0.96

02:02:20.160 say hello folks i sound like i'm doing a morgoth impression uh oran mcintyre has hey everybody

02:02:26.440 so hey everybody's out and it's so weird because these are just completely generic platitudes

02:02:31.540 but somehow they become catchphrases and now i um yeah so then i know i just struggle and i've

02:02:38.120 landed on you know greetings film cells for the the film festival at least yeah i wanted a couple

02:02:43.800 live streams coming in hot with what's up sluts and then people got really mad at me 0.86

02:02:48.720 just try to keep it keep keep people awake you know keep it interesting i gotta stop bombing

02:02:57.460 into places yeah uh but dimes before we get to um your selected film uh would you want to just

02:03:05.260 take take a few minutes um i'm of course familiar with with blood satellite um but do you want to

02:03:10.500 just tell the folks a little bit about you your um your your your channel uh what you're about

02:03:17.000 uh absolutely thank you um i am the co-host of a show called blood satellite with my co-host judas

02:03:25.340 who is my equal half and um i would say check out bloodsatellite.ca to find all of the episodes

02:03:35.380 and the clips and all the stuff that's probably the quickest way to go about it i don't want to

02:03:38.780 drone on too long about this because i have a tendency to but it's a show um topics familiar

02:03:45.020 to a lot of people who would be in the scene i would say tilts more towards comedy as well as

02:03:51.960 covering interesting books at the same time um i think people find it really really rewarding

02:03:57.280 it's essentially the best show out there right now and i welcome people to come prove me wrong

02:04:03.020 give it a shot um and i just want to say thank you for having me on by the way oh yeah absolutely

02:04:12.140 and um blood satellite is is great everybody should definitely um check out uh their content

02:04:19.020 and I'll, I'll, I'll make sure to have some links in this video below. Um, so dimes, you sir, have

02:04:26.980 chosen a David Lynch film. And I have to say, I'm, I'm a, like a diehard Lynch fanatic. Um,

02:04:35.500 a lot of people know this about me and I kind of, I had faith when I had the idea for the film

02:04:41.040 festival and I started the film festival, I, I knew just sort of intuitively, like one person

02:04:47.460 was going to pick a Kurosawa film. It's just inevitable. And at least one person was going

02:04:54.860 to pick a David Lynch film. Did not have to worry about getting those on the roster. But you did

02:05:01.980 surprise me in that you have chosen to discuss Inland Empire. And I have to say that this would

02:05:09.120 have been my last guess as to what Lynch film would be discussed. Because amongst Lynch films,

02:05:15.220 this is probably i think the least talked about at least at least in my experience um this is true

02:05:22.720 so what what then dimes the question of the show what what made you want to discuss

02:05:28.780 inland empire above above any other film and above especially any other david lynch film

02:05:35.620 it's a big question and i'll try and uh sharpen as much as i can um not only is it the least

02:05:42.040 talked about david lynch movie i would say it's the least popular and maybe even the least liked

02:05:47.680 probably tied with fire walk with me uh from twin peaks the the movie which i also really like

02:05:54.680 which isn't to say i dislike any of his other movies but i'm such a lynch fan that i have to

02:06:00.340 be pretentious about it i think you're afforded the privilege of being pretentious if you like

02:06:04.740 david lynch like it's not an obvious movie and it has the least i think meme capital in our culture

02:06:11.900 like there's a lot of people who share memes about uh blue valentine or like twin peaks is

02:06:17.680 getting a whole second wind in our scene but no one even references inland empire even though

02:06:23.980 it's one of his more recent movies i would say i think it's actually his most recent aside from

02:06:29.560 twin peaks the return and that short he did for netflix uh what jack did or the one with the

02:06:35.080 monkey it's like 20 minutes long um yeah which i didn't i didn't catch yeah it's it's really funny

02:06:41.620 you'd like it i recommend people watch that it's just fun um and this is something we'll talk about

02:06:46.180 i'm sure that david lynch i think a lot of people have the wrong idea of david lynch they think he's

02:06:52.460 just this spooky guy um but i think if you watch his movies with the right eyes you won't see

02:06:58.540 anything like a horror movie you'll see violence but you'll see mysticism and you'll see a lot of

02:07:05.780 comedy like even in inland empire like the first hour of this is almost just straight comedy but

02:07:12.260 this movie um i i don't know i just have a very deep appreciation of it i saw it right when it

02:07:18.260 came out um and this would have been around 2006 and i just loved it from the first time i saw it

02:07:24.900 i had the dvd tube and it was really really expensive and this was a movie that i would put

02:07:30.180 on for people and they get really mad at me and my wife can attest to this like this is i had this

02:07:36.580 thing where i'm like it's almost like a litmus test for people like we're gonna watch in the

02:07:40.420 empire and i'm so autistic i don't know that this isn't something you watch in a room with a bunch

02:07:46.340 of like stoned people or whatever it is with a girl like it's a very challenging movie it's a

02:07:51.260 dense movie it's a movie that'll make you uncomfortable it'll make you it's very tense

02:07:56.800 and you don't know why it's tense but there's um the imagery there's and if you look about the

02:08:02.060 story of how this movie came to be there's a lot of background that i found interesting as you know

02:08:09.280 i'm a pretty creative person i'm not saying i'm great at it but i like to write um i was into

02:08:14.420 filming when i was younger like a lot of listeners i'm sure and right around when this movie came out

02:08:19.880 it was exciting for a couple of reasons one is that david lynch was filming all in digital so

02:08:26.080 was all handheld cameras and that comes through in the imagery so that was cool and exciting there

02:08:31.400 was a fluidity and electricity to that and also around this time david lynch um prior to the movie

02:08:38.020 being released he had his website where he would release content and this is very common for people

02:08:44.820 right now to just release content in an ecosystem you control but there was a time when that was a

02:08:49.460 really interesting cutting edge idea of that a filmmaker would have this direct relationship

02:08:55.320 with his fans and you pay a fee and get access to all this stuff and parts of inland inland

02:09:00.580 empire were actually released on his website before they made it in the movie but it was from

02:09:03.960 this time that was really profound to me where like here's this auteur director maybe one of the

02:09:09.480 last good auteurs uh in american cinema and he's doing something new it's exciting it's exciting

02:09:16.220 not only in how it's filmed but how it's distributed and not only how it's distributed 0.87

02:09:20.260 but how it's edited like this he shot it himself he edited himself in fucking final cut pro in his 0.90

02:09:27.360 office over six months like he just did it and he and and the story of how he filmed this movie 0.91

02:09:32.700 and you don't need to know this to appreciate it but if you have a creative mind at all this is

02:09:37.020 what i appreciate that he didn't really have a script he he came up with ideas and he filmed

02:09:42.900 them which for a lot of people if you write books or screenplays that's how you might write it on

02:09:49.300 the page you'll have a constellation of scenes things you're passionate about and you don't know

02:09:55.360 how they fit together but it'll make sense on the page he's got it off the page and said just

02:09:59.140 film it cut it print it and i'll get it in editing i just i'm going to follow this feeling and this

02:10:05.460 is the apex of david lynch's filmmaking ethos which is he likes to dream his autobiography is

02:10:12.740 called room to dream and it's how he makes films he just wanders through and lets and it's this

02:10:17.920 constant negotiation with his inner creativity and sure it's planned sure he has a story in mind

02:10:24.340 but he tries to capture that electricity that really came through in the uh third season of

02:10:29.880 Twin Peaks I'm sure Prudentialist will probably talk about this at some point um because he does

02:10:35.040 want he's chomping at the bit to talk about Twin Peaks it's true it's Twin Peaks is a tall order

02:10:40.120 and I like him I'm sure he'll do a credit but but if you tell if you talk about David Lynch

02:10:44.700 one of his movies it's there's a through line to a lot of his movies and also i'll say this now

02:10:51.380 in case i forget i know this is a rambling answer but um this inland empire is almost the

02:10:58.420 film negative shadow version of mulholland drive and mulholland drive will be uh i think even that

02:11:06.740 has some like memes about people will be familiar with it especially the character of the man behind

02:11:11.800 the winkies but there's a lot of parallels between these two movies it's just inland empire

02:11:17.720 is a lot denser it's non-linear i would argue it's far more complicated if you want to really

02:11:26.640 dwell on it but anyway just to wrap up this answer the imagery of this movie stuck with me

02:11:34.720 more than anything else like even blue valentine arguably blue valentine oh blue velvet sorry blue

02:11:39.900 velvet um different movie blue valentine also good but blue velvet you know there's a lot of

02:11:45.740 amazing performances amazing scenes but nothing haunted me like this movie haunted me it was hard

02:11:53.460 to describe why it's just the dialogue it gets you it's the electricity captured in those scenes

02:11:59.360 it's how disjointed it is but it feels like um like a dream and not a not necessarily a nightmare

02:12:06.280 but it's something you want to unravel and i would always think about it more than here's the

02:12:12.240 thing in this talk will probably explain to people what inland empire is about and once you know what

02:12:18.680 it's about you still want to dive into it but once you figure out what mulholland drive is about

02:12:23.940 you're you're done with it i get it now it's a good movie i can return to it anytime i want

02:12:29.220 but it's it's done and inland empire it's not done you know the more you look at it the more

02:12:36.020 it reveals especially if you look at the there's over an hour of deleted scenes that adds all kinds

02:12:41.820 of weird other stuff on top of it so anyway that's a i tried to keep it short and i failed but

02:12:46.820 that's okay no no that's fine it's uh it's a lynch movie nobody's going to be able to keep it short

02:12:53.580 if we're trying to discuss this um i mean before we maybe dive into the guts of of inland empire

02:13:01.760 dimes you mentioned um how the movie got made or the story behind how it got made i mean is there

02:13:09.180 more to it other than the fact that lynch had this completely kind of intuitive ad hoc approach

02:13:17.100 to the filming of it or is there any stories related to like funding or its production

02:13:23.500 kind of kind of well uh most of it was financed through himself and i'm noticing more as i look

02:13:30.640 into his incomplete projects that it's somewhat difficult for him to find funding especially these

02:13:36.160 days i i don't know even though he's a legendary filmmaker i think he probably struggles with that

02:13:42.560 which he shouldn't um i don't know the full story there but this is a lot of his finance and then

02:13:47.060 there's studio canal who came in they got their fingerprints on everything that's fucking weird

02:13:50.900 in this whole culture but um and then even when he was campaigning for laura dern the star of this

02:13:57.400 movie he wanted her to win an Oscar and she

02:13:59.300 should have because Laura Dern is 0.99

02:14:01.360 spellbinding in this film

02:14:03.160 his way of

02:14:05.060 campaigning for her to be in the Oscars was

02:14:07.260 he like he lives in Hollywood

02:14:09.260 so he set up shop

02:14:11.200 on the corner of I don't

02:14:13.300 know what like Hollywood and Vine

02:14:14.880 some big intersection it was just him

02:14:17.380 sitting in a director's chair with a cow

02:14:19.320 and he's in front of a huge

02:14:21.220 sign that says Laura Dern

02:14:23.000 for the Academy Award they just sat there

02:14:25.320 smoking cigarettes all day

02:14:27.400 and film cameras showed up he's like what are you doing well i'm here to submit laura dern

02:14:38.160 you know just in that david in that implacable voice and just everything around this movie was 0.99

02:14:43.780 him saying fuck it in a very punk rock way and i loved it and not like not being stupid but just 0.99

02:14:50.180 being like i'm gonna do it my way he's like i'm gonna rethink distribution and he could still get 0.99

02:14:55.520 into film festivals and whatnot but uh one aspect of the film that was released on his website

02:15:00.780 and i'm not sure it uh even exists in that form anymore although he does his daily weather

02:15:06.340 updates that people seem to like uh was the rabbits section so if you've seen this i wanted

02:15:11.140 to ask about the rabbits times yeah so the rabbit and here's the thing so i'm gonna try and give as

02:15:15.900 much context in this as i can we don't we don't have to dive straight into the rabbits but i

02:15:19.660 certainly had yeah well that was released as just a short series on his website called rabbits and

02:15:25.060 for those who haven't seen the film it's just this like again very strange looking single camera

02:15:30.740 almost filmed from above of this one set it's like a mock a sitcom where there's three people

02:15:38.520 in rabbit outfits um two guys and a woman and they just speak in these it's seemingly random

02:15:47.680 but certainly non-linear lines of dialogue that don't connect with each other and then there's

02:15:52.720 just like canned laughter laid over top um and interestingly enough the voices for those rabbits

02:16:00.240 were justin theroux who's in this film in many other dave lynch films and the woman is naomi

02:16:05.880 watts if you can believe it frequent collaborator so it's like you know these it wasn't just

02:16:11.180 nobodies in this they were like serious actors in it um and then that made its way into inland

02:16:16.500 empire but that sort of lets you know where his mind was at and that might have been one of the

02:16:21.720 acorns or possible acorns that grew into this movie um that's as as far back as i remember

02:16:27.880 because i was following this movie in pre-production too back in the day i'm old as 0.89

02:16:32.980 shit you know so i don't know how old you are but i i'm i was i'm old as hell and i follow this 0.96

02:16:39.040 stuff at way too young an age i'm i'm i'm probably old as shit as well dimes i i went to i will say 0.99

02:16:46.900 this and dimes i'm not um i'm not gonna oppose oppose you as we as we explore inland empire i'm 0.61

02:16:54.480 going to to keep keep an open mind and i'm easily persuaded i will say i think it's it's only just

02:17:01.360 to mention that i would i would say that this is the the my least favorite lynch film i get it i

02:17:12.280 hear you but you know when we i mean we can we can talk about about why or i can kind of list

02:17:18.320 some of my grievances towards the tail end of the um the the the show and and get your response but

02:17:26.920 i think that's maybe kind of jump jumping the gun do we want to i'd like to hear those i'm trying

02:17:33.680 to figure out if it makes sense to do them at the top or at the end because yeah i'm trying to think

02:17:39.040 if i need to give more context to the movie because i'm assuming people have seen this film

02:17:43.260 they probably haven't and it's also like i mean it's there i've had several films during this

02:17:50.120 festival one of which was like terry gilliams brazil i mean often i'll i'll ask my guests can

02:17:55.960 you kind of give a quick plot summary or give us the the the the highlights of the of the plot but

02:18:03.280 there there are some films where that's just too cruel and impossible and inland empire would

02:18:08.620 probably be at the top of that list next to other several other lynch films but i could give like

02:18:14.540 the setup for people um i'm gonna try to explain in a way where i don't unravel the mystery um it

02:18:21.140 has laura dern who people remember jurassic park you don't see her in as many things as you should

02:18:27.780 my wife was asking me why that is i think too tall and masculine face if that makes any sense

02:18:35.300 but she has a sort of classical beauty that you don't find anywhere else and she's an amazing

02:18:39.500 actor and she carries this film um in the same way that um pyle mclaughlin carried uh season

02:18:46.120 three of twin peaks playing multiple versions of himself which is not easy anyway she plays

02:18:51.920 multiple versions of herself but uh the main character that you're introduced to is nicky

02:18:56.360 grace nicky grace lives in hollywood film actor uh her star is waning and she uh lands a role

02:19:04.880 in an upcoming film called on high and blue tomorrows with a guy named devon played by

02:19:10.700 justin theroux who people might recognize maybe not but he's a good actor also one of the writers

02:19:15.380 as i understand of tropic thunder so he's one of these kind of interesting guys they hear about

02:19:20.300 oh i didn't know he he wrote tropic thunder wow i hope it's the same one i'm pretty sure it is

02:19:26.200 um but that's how it starts it's a it's a familiar movie familiar to mulholland drive it's about an

02:19:31.860 actress who lives in hollywood and on the outside it would seem like a film that's about the dark

02:19:38.920 underbelly of hollywood like that's what mulholland drive seems like but it's not really

02:19:44.400 same thing with this and as um jeremy irons is in this as well playing the director um nikki

02:19:51.160 grace has a husband with this sort of uh foreboding domineering husband who seems to have some sort

02:19:58.240 polish ancestry and devon uh her co-star in the film is notorious lothario he's a playboy he likes

02:20:05.720 to sleep around and they're they're rumored that they these two are going to be sleeping together

02:20:10.240 and the husband is is some kind of powerful guy and uh the rumor about the film is that it's a

02:20:17.580 remake and it in fact is based on an old polish film and you'll see poland pop up quite a lot in

02:20:23.880 this movie um and that's a big clue um it's supposed to be a cursed film and that uh when

02:20:29.760 it was originally shot back in like the 60s both the leads were killed so that's where what you go

02:20:35.440 into starts off the first hour of this movie plays it pretty straight even though the first

02:20:41.620 and this is what throws people off with inland empire it's the first 10 minutes it starts off

02:20:48.860 not making any sense whatsoever even as we get through the movie there's a lot of let me just

02:20:54.360 say this the preface the movie is most of what seems complicated about the film it's that's told

02:20:59.420 in a non-linear fashion once you line things up and connect them it makes a lot more sense

02:21:05.560 um because david lynch what's interesting i find about him is he does not write terribly

02:21:10.600 complicated stories and that's not a mark against him he writes very simple stories

02:21:15.560 from many many directions like cubism you know he he'll take a very simple story and look at it from 0.79

02:21:22.060 all these new fucking angles that blow your mind and you know like mulholland drive is a simple

02:21:28.180 film the exception would be twin peaks but i um i lay that at the feet of mark frost who's kind of 0.95

02:21:34.720 the lore guy um he's the guy who writes all like the complicated backstory but david lynch his

02:21:40.040 interest in that show is more about the characters and more about the the simple humanity of the

02:21:44.840 story and the story here is actually very simple and we'll get to that in a second but it starts

02:21:49.300 you off it throws you in with a bunch of weird imagery you get hit with the rabbits like right

02:21:53.600 away you get introduced to you're watching a woman and a man two polish people in black and

02:22:01.940 white walking into a hotel room and both have blurred faces and they're talking about being

02:22:05.920 a prostitute and you don't know how this relates to anything and then there's rabbits and then

02:22:09.840 there's two polish people in an elegant magisterial room getting into like a vague argument about 0.99

02:22:16.920 like a negotiation they're having like it's a scattershot thing that i think that sets people 0.99

02:22:23.720 up to be more discombobulated um and then there's kind of conflicting realities because

02:22:29.100 one interpretation of the film and this interpretation is wrong but you're not a

02:22:34.240 bad person for having this interpretation is that the when things get weird it it it's the

02:22:42.160 explanation is that the actors get sucked into this movie because the movie is cursed um that's

02:22:48.540 not true but it's picking around the edges of truth um what's most interesting about the movie

02:22:54.700 is once you realize and maybe i don't want to get ahead of myself maybe i'll just i'll hear your

02:22:59.680 thoughts on it after i do the basic setup um but then what follows is sort of nikki grace the actor

02:23:06.440 losing her identity and seemingly becoming the character in the movie by the name of sue blue

02:23:12.060 and you can tell because she's got a different accent and then it kind of follows her as she

02:23:16.820 falls into this different reality and it's very puzzling you don't know what's going on she's in

02:23:22.100 a house it seems like she's gone to a different dimension entirely it seems that she's fallen

02:23:27.360 into a different reality she's trying to make sense and then there's all these very and then

02:23:32.020 she's in looking she burns a hole in a piece of silk with a cigarette and looks through and now

02:23:37.940 she's she's in poland in like the 1940s yeah there's there's there's there's characters that

02:23:44.040 there's someone who looks like her husband but he's got a mustache and that so you're interested

02:23:48.960 these ideas like okay so it's parallel timelines how does any of this relate and that's where

02:23:53.520 people really get lost but once you start piecing that back together you understand that oh what do

02:24:00.620 they mean when they talk about the phantom you know there's this character called the phantom

02:24:04.280 who exists in different realities at once like what you know what i as you're watching it um

02:24:11.360 especially now what will grab you is that oh this is a multiverse film but a true multiverse film

02:24:17.800 in the same way that a film like primer is a time travel film but it doesn't involve going

02:24:23.800 through portals it doesn't involve drawing an equation on the board it's something metaphysical

02:24:29.220 something more more magical in the truest sense and but there's clues all along the way um and

02:24:37.760 really the film itself hinges on a few key monologues there's one and you'll remember

02:24:44.500 not Nikki Grace but Sue Blue

02:24:47.400 she's in the dark room

02:24:49.200 speaking to Mr. K 1.00

02:24:50.440 she's got a black eye

02:24:53.040 she's telling her story 0.85

02:24:54.340 that first monologue in the story with the weird old 1.00

02:24:57.120 Polish woman in 1.00

02:24:58.900 her house

02:24:59.720 a little boy goes out to play

02:25:02.360 and as he passed through the door

02:25:05.140 he calls to the door

02:25:06.580 a reflection

02:25:07.420 evil was born

02:25:10.100 look that up 1.00

02:25:12.160 the woman who plays 0.99

02:25:14.000 i forget her name but she's in a bunch of shit she's she did great yeah i love i i go i watch 0.97

02:25:19.400 that scene a lot i just love it love the delivery um unfortunately that scene looks very much like 0.97

02:25:24.940 it was shot on digital camera there's scenes in this movie that look very cinematic there's 0.93

02:25:30.500 scenes that just kind of look cheap because it's just david lynch with a fucking handheld camera 0.74

02:25:34.560 i'm not sure that works for or against it but you know once you get into the thick of it

02:25:39.120 you kind of forget that's there um but you know again there's sort of an electricity to that

02:25:44.700 um anyway does that set it up enough like that's where it starts off i don't want to go i think so

02:25:50.920 all the crazy shit but that we'll probably get to that eventually yeah yeah i guess um you know

02:25:56.500 it's it's it's interesting that you that you contrasted to to mulholland drive uh dimes and 0.88

02:26:03.220 i i think a lot of people do not just because i these what this was a subsequent film right after

02:26:08.560 that um i think there's a lot of obvious parallels um but i maybe i want to take even a step

02:26:16.720 back further and consider this you could almost consider mulholland lost highway mulholland drive

02:26:25.100 and inland empire a loose trilogy in a sense i'm glad you mentioned that that is 100 correct

02:26:32.320 yeah and i and i mean tell me if if you're going in the same direction that i am dimes but

02:26:38.500 I guess one element that all three of these films share, and it's an aspect of his films that Lynch first began to explore in Mulholland Drive, which is these characters, a protagonist who, there are two worlds in Mulholland Drive.

02:27:01.700 There's a world that you begin with where Bill Pullman is the main character who's clearly having kind of issues with his marriage to Patricia Arquette.

02:27:13.700 um but all of his problems are kind of internal and and complicated and sort of un-cinematic

02:27:23.640 and kind of tragic and and bourgeois and and pedestrian even though it's you know it's a

02:27:30.960 surreal bizarre lynch film there's something much much less exterior and easily graspable

02:27:37.300 to his problems. Um, and then, you know, he winds up killing his wife, uh, goes to jail and

02:27:45.460 transforms into this sort of younger, uh, version of himself. Uh, I forget the name of the actor who

02:27:52.440 plays his, his transformed self, but he's suddenly in a universe where all of the, his wife is alive

02:27:58.600 again. It's still, she's still played by Patricia Arquette, but now she's this blonde instead of a 0.78

02:28:03.540 brunette and the only thing that's standing in his way of of her like she before his wife was 0.57

02:28:10.100 very sort of sexually aloof and indifferent about him and now she really desires him and the only

02:28:14.840 thing that's standing in her way is this mob boss who's um her her boyfriend and he had it becomes

02:28:23.480 much more of a kind of ease his problems are easily not easily but but straightforwardly

02:28:32.220 confronted um he can be a hero he can face problems that are um exterior to his own

02:28:39.420 kind of consciousness he can assert himself on the world more easily and that's the same kind

02:28:46.320 of duality that's set up in mulholland drive you start out with with betty naomi watts's character

02:28:52.240 who's this um i guess it starts out in the opposite direction though she she starts out

02:28:58.160 in this world where again all of her obstacles are exterior they're much more cookie cutter it

02:29:04.260 seems like um the plot is is is a lot more straightforward you know she's this sweet

02:29:11.300 good-hearted girl it seems it seems like the world seems a lot less real people seem more

02:29:18.220 plastic and wooden but all of the adversity is things that exist with within a degree of simplicity

02:29:26.800 and externality to herself and then just like the conspiracies that you see like all the

02:29:33.500 conspiracies but who gets these acting jobs it's almost like a metaphor for you know who

02:29:38.920 she would imagine runs hollywood in a sense yeah yeah like she's this she's this breathtakingly

02:29:46.080 brilliant actress and the only reason she doesn't get cast by justin theroux who plays the director

02:29:51.640 in that film is, is there's this cabal of very mysterious men that are pulling all the strings.

02:29:58.020 And again, just like, um, in Lost Highway, this, this is, there's this fantasy life of Bill Pullman's

02:30:06.760 that he begins to inhabit. You realize that Betty is this fantasy character living this fantasy

02:30:14.080 life of a woman who has a much more probably real and visceral and squalid, depressing

02:30:23.300 story of like, you know, came to Hollywood, thought she was going to be the next it girl

02:30:30.720 got chewed up and spit out by the system, had had an unsuccessful gay love affair and 0.95

02:30:37.660 has just sort of wound up destitute and and miserable and again is is is driven to kill 0.97

02:30:44.460 um so these and i'll admit i guess inland empire is playing with this same inner world outer world

02:30:53.880 um psyche of its its characters right so you have him exploring it in lost highway you have

02:31:02.560 exploring it again in mulholland drive and that's something at play in inland empire as well i guess

02:31:08.740 i will say it's it's a bit more multifaceted and and maybe the more more more complex than just the

02:31:16.840 the simple duality of the previous two films because you have i mean you have you have nikki

02:31:24.120 and sue and you've got old poland and the lost girl you have i guess a bit more a few different

02:31:31.500 worlds here it's it's more of a multiverse whereas mulholland drive and lost highway i think each of

02:31:37.420 those films respectively have two universes yeah what i find interesting about mulholland drive

02:31:44.060 is the same thing i find interesting about inland empire it's that i don't want to call david lynch

02:31:49.880 literal because he's not but when he crafts these worlds he kind of smears the demarcations between

02:31:55.680 them like even in twin peaks like let's say the black lodge is above a convenience store

02:32:00.520 like it's a literal place but like you go there to get to the other world you don't conjure it

02:32:06.140 like in a portal and similarly here like what is fantasized might as well be real like when 0.95

02:32:13.360 Naomi Watts Betty is getting confronted at the end of Mulholland Drive by like I guess the boomers 0.65

02:32:18.580 that represent her naivete that drive her to suicide like it's all essentially real to her 0.95

02:32:24.980 and within the world of the movie it's all essentially real as well and that's taken to an

02:32:29.760 extreme in inland empire because um let me just say there's a few ways to interpret the movie

02:32:35.620 the one i think is correct i was pulled from a website that i discovered many many years ago

02:32:42.480 right around the time when i saw the film when it provided the best explanation i think of what

02:32:47.500 happens um it was called like half born which is a reference to dialogue in the movie which is a

02:32:53.500 part of dialogue that i love describing the and she like a little girl lost in the marketplace

02:33:01.680 as if half born i just i love that that delivery there too but uh it provides the best explanation

02:33:10.840 that makes the most sense to me and the way to understand it is the entire first hour of that

02:33:15.620 movie the entire character of nicky grace the successful starlet uh is the fantasy of sue blue

02:33:22.480 it completely inverts it it's not real people becoming fictional characters the movie is reality

02:33:29.660 and it it was sue blue the character the real person projecting this other life of the actor

02:33:35.880 so completely inverts that but then it layers on top of that the story of almost like trauma across

02:33:43.920 time this idea that you're watching a love affair in the current era between sue blue

02:33:50.460 and billy side who's played by uh justin through which is his character in the film

02:33:55.020 having a assorted love affair and which leads to murder which leads to like the jealous husband

02:34:02.000 and like three people end up killed including themselves that story itself in modern era is

02:34:08.720 what you're also seeing in like 1940s poland with the exact same actors playing different people

02:34:15.460 so you're introduced to this idea and this is why i think it's almost a step up which is you

02:34:20.380 not only have the complete smearing of fantasy and reality because the fantasy like during the

02:34:26.560 beginning of the movie when she is inhabiting her fantasy because sue blue lives in hollywood as 1.00

02:34:31.800 well and she's just hanging out with whores on hollywood boulevard which you see at the end 1.00

02:34:36.040 um you see like the reality pierce into her fantasy that's the old polish woman delivering 1.00

02:34:42.420 the dialogue like there's always these tendrils reaching into her fantasy and her fantasy reaching 0.95

02:34:48.200 out into the real life it's this complete interplay between the two and both are reality

02:34:53.600 and and that that is the end of the movie um just jumping ahead when because the end of the movie

02:35:00.000 actually doesn't make any sense at all if you accept the premise that oh it's just a real woman

02:35:05.880 getting lost in a movie and then the movie ends and she's out of it because how do you explain

02:35:10.060 all the other shit that happens after that no it's like she she dies in real life and this is her 0.94

02:35:16.060 fully going into that 0.99

02:35:18.760 reality of her own mind, but also to

02:35:20.900 confront the phantom.

02:35:23.160 You're also playing around with the idea of

02:35:24.900 doppelgangers, which was explored in,

02:35:26.780 once again, Season 3 of Twin Peaks.

02:35:29.520 This idea of

02:35:30.380 different people being the same

02:35:32.560 archetype in different

02:35:34.580 times and different

02:35:36.720 geographies.

02:35:38.560 That's what fascinates me.

02:35:40.260 That's what I really wanted to tug at.

02:35:42.060 Once you figure out, again, the plot,

02:35:43.680 the plot's pretty a b c d you can figure that out it's it's a just like malone drive it's a very

02:35:50.580 human story it's about infidelity it's about not liking your spouse it's about like this one's

02:35:56.420 about abusive husbands and cheating wives that's it that's all inland empire is about but it's a

02:36:02.700 scaffolding that's created around it of all these other things and how you break down that story

02:36:06.980 and how this idea of like how different people can almost be haunted by the same event 0.89

02:36:13.460 across time as if they were doppelgangers of each other and that doesn't make any fucking sense but

02:36:18.840 that is what happens and the character of the phantom the main antagonist again existing in

02:36:25.260 these different times and and sue is sort of privy to all of them because she can see into all this

02:36:30.680 stuff him as just this sort of he's he's the the the shadow the boy creates when he steps out in

02:36:36.840 the world he's just evil he's just what possesses people to kill he he is the act of the giant

02:36:43.960 murder at the end of this he's all the violence um and that's why when uh what's her name susan

02:36:51.240 side what's her name the the woman with the screwdriver doris doris doris yeah that's why

02:36:56.920 when she's telling the story another great sort of scene where she's speaking to detectives saying

02:37:01.420 that she was hypnotized in a bar um and she's going to kill someone with a screwdriver that's

02:37:06.280 buried in her own stomach um but like if you read between the lines of the story what it's about is

02:37:12.320 infidelity and you know babies and infertility and things like that that's all in there but

02:37:18.320 i don't know like the the way it it combines different realities mixed in with trauma across

02:37:24.860 time that's what's so fast and i don't think that's just invented in my twisted mind that is

02:37:31.020 it like if you step back from the movie and think about it that's the only thing that makes sense

02:37:35.060 and it becomes revealed once you watch it the second time like this won't make sense after the

02:37:39.620 first viewing it starts to make sense after the second or third then it almost becomes elementary

02:37:44.700 and then you start really thinking about it and that's where you know i liked it because i just

02:37:49.160 found it engrossing but there's a lot of really trippy ideas going on in here once you pull back 0.91

02:37:55.760 the the people in the fucking rabbit outfits yeah why what why rabbit outfits though is that i think 0.91

02:38:05.560 there's one mention at one point one character was like breeding rabbits there's a lot of illusions 0.99

02:38:10.720 and mention of being good with animals you'll you'll find certain lines of dialogue pop up of

02:38:16.340 people being good animals i i think that's just a pattern um i think the story is he just thought

02:38:21.960 it looked cool i think he just went with his gut he's like i hey here's a sitcom uh with these

02:38:27.440 rabbits and i'm gonna work that thematically into the movie i think he started with rabbits

02:38:31.540 and then built that into the picture but a lot of this stuff i just think he goes aesthetically with

02:38:38.480 what looks cool like why what's with the name ax and n it doesn't really mean anything it's just

02:38:44.220 like a a signal flare within the world of the movie and that's what's interesting about david

02:38:50.180 lynch movies especially this one is that's a complete self-contained world there's really no

02:38:55.200 tropes in here um there's not a lot of references to anything outside the film the film gives you

02:39:01.940 a map on how to figure it out and it gives you the tools to figure it out but you have to work

02:39:08.200 within the logic of the film and also occasionally within the logic of david lynch as a director

02:39:14.560 because you as a fan of this you'll know certain motifs he loves you know red velvet pops up a lot

02:39:20.740 you know black and white and any like strobe lights mean something within the david lynch canon

02:39:25.920 usually means like a transition to an otherworldly state uh red light generally means evil or some

02:39:33.040 kind of otherworldly agent at work you see that in uh fire walk with me a lot but also other moves

02:39:39.240 so like there is that sort of color palette that david lynch has but i don't think you need that

02:39:43.180 to understand this i think it gives you it's like being in an escape room everything you need to

02:39:48.160 understand the movie is in here but it won't make sense anything outside of this movie

02:39:52.540 that's that's actually a really great way of explaining to somebody how they need to

02:39:58.700 approach a lynch film because the things won't make sense if you like step outside of the movie

02:40:04.980 yeah yeah absolutely um yeah you know it it is a challenge because i i and i'm um uh you know

02:40:15.880 doris actually sent me this this article half born and i i read most of it before this this

02:40:22.240 recording um and i i think it has it has a lot of merit to it i think it's on on the right track and

02:40:28.700 similar essays and deep dives like this exist for Mulholland Drive and I mean even famously

02:40:36.760 David Lynch has kind of given a lot of cookies about his his films like you know think about

02:40:43.900 this one image or this one scene or this one line um and so I don't want to say that I'm

02:40:49.820 a skeptic I guess there there there are two polar approaches to a Lynch film which I think I think

02:40:57.140 both of which are are dead ends and kind of wrong the first way is to get too like

02:41:05.260 too fixated on putting it together until it is you feel like you have you have you have undone

02:41:16.180 the collage uh and and glued back together all of the pieces of this this strange kind of pastiche

02:41:23.960 that lynch has put together for you and you now have like a perfectly linear hitchcock film

02:41:30.360 or something like that um because i think you'll you'll kind of in doing so you you've kind of

02:41:38.260 undone the you know abstract expressionist weirdness and just sort of like the immediacy

02:41:48.820 and the emotional efficacy of the movie um but i i also say that with with the caveat that i think

02:41:56.940 that i so i you know i mean i've there's one you've probably seen this two dimes there's one

02:42:03.120 particular there's dozens of these for mulholland drive there's one which is and part of why i

02:42:08.200 resent it is because of how convincing it is but it's basic it's it's basic premise and treatises

02:42:13.060 is that Mulholland Drive is all about

02:42:15.540 like the death of the redhead in Hollywood cinema

02:42:19.480 and how redheaded women no longer get hired 1.00

02:42:23.480 to be movie stars. 1.00

02:42:25.360 And like, it's a massive conspiracy theory.

02:42:28.580 So I guess there's one sort of,

02:42:30.520 there's the conspiracy theory wormhole

02:42:32.860 that people can go down with Lynch.

02:42:35.440 And I've never heard that and I love it.

02:42:37.840 I don't, yeah.

02:42:38.460 No, I mean, they're very addicting.

02:42:40.420 It's popcorn, it's crack.

02:42:42.220 it's cracked to start reading these things because you're like oh somebody's gonna finally

02:42:45.920 you know banalize lynch for me and i'm gonna feel safe because a lot of conspiracy theories i like

02:42:52.700 because it's not even about the thing it's talking about just someone had an idea which was you don't

02:42:58.140 see redheads anymore i'm gonna use this to explain it i like that idea i'll listen yeah it's like all

02:43:02.320 day it's like the shining is about the jfk assassination or like the shining was about

02:43:06.980 how kubrick faked the moon landing i'm like i don't think the movie's about that but i'll hear

02:43:11.640 that theory you know what i mean just you don't you don't need to like spread that all over the

02:43:17.080 shining because i don't know sorry a tangent you have i don't know if you ever saw that documentary

02:43:20.980 i think it's like room yeah no that's exactly what what came to mind room yeah man 87 or whatever 0.77

02:43:26.940 man that movie fucking sucked it was way more boring than i thought it would be too 0.76

02:43:31.760 because it turns out just hearing people for an hour and 45 minutes describe this stuff it's like 0.99

02:43:37.440 oh my god like it's like being locked into a room with them and you can't leave but you could probably

02:43:43.600 i think one could easily assemble a documentary where you get eight people who all think that

02:43:48.660 mulholland drive is about something else that has nothing to do with mulholland drive but i

02:43:54.340 just to finish my my tangent i think that you know there's there's that hyper conspiracy theory

02:44:01.700 unspooling the the the yarn approach to lynch and that's not to say that i i think the opposite

02:44:09.240 approach which is you just you have to resist any and every interpretation and this is purely

02:44:15.320 experiential and you're supposed to shut off your your your faculties and just you know let it all

02:44:21.940 wash over you like you're walking through a museum or something like that i think that's

02:44:25.740 that's not a fair approach either but i i do think that to take a lynch film in fully in its own terms

02:44:35.440 in its own world you kind of have to like walk the line between those you know yeah like i think

02:44:41.440 the latter option is probably what he would prefer like to have an open mind but to your

02:44:47.060 to expand on that point a bit i find people often cheapen the work of david lynch when they try and

02:44:54.680 give these subpar explanations like you know i got a bunch of articles open here in front of me

02:44:59.500 from various journalists trying to explain it even like roger ebert at one point would say something

02:45:04.380 like you know his movies aren't meant to be understood i'm like no they are i mean he's not

02:45:09.120 a hack and also he's not a guy who just wants to make artsy challenging stuff um and if you know

02:45:16.660 anything about him you know you'll need to but this helps he's an intensely spiritual guy he

02:45:22.020 likes big ideas and he takes big ideas very seriously and he's not this guy who likes to

02:45:27.520 punish the audience he doesn't take a cynical approach to things it would be very simple to

02:45:32.920 someone could look at Mulholland Drive and say it's about how Hollywood is evil it's like it's

02:45:37.980 not I don't think he thinks that I think David Lynch has a great affection for Hollywood I think

02:45:42.960 he's probably gonna be you know as one of the last great American filmmakers who has a true

02:45:47.460 love of america he loves he just seems to love the the american spirit like he's not a angry

02:45:55.840 dark moody guy really he just smokes like a chimney he's got like one of the best haircuts

02:46:01.260 in the game he looks kind of like an adams family character but like any interpretation of his

02:46:05.900 movies like he employs extreme violence when necessary he's got a fascination with it but i

02:46:10.620 don't think he would just make a cheap story where like bad things happen to good people it's i and

02:46:17.980 i think any interpretation that's like oh he's just fucking with the audience like he wouldn't

02:46:21.420 do that he's he's got a message and if you read like his autobiography he's in a transcendental

02:46:26.800 medication he's a mystical guy i'm like you know i give him the benefit of the doubt even with twin

02:46:32.260 peaks like there's a lot of really fucking big ideas if you get into esoteric reading like you'll

02:46:38.760 see like the fingerprints of a lot of really trippy stuff mentioned in twin peaks um so i'm 0.82

02:46:45.880 like yeah he's he's a big mind that i don't like people shrinking down like oh just smoke some weed

02:46:51.420 and watch it i'm like that's you know it's like getting drunk and watching a paul thomas anderson

02:46:57.180 movie like just go to bed then yeah yeah i i mean this might kind of bring me around dimes to i

02:47:04.760 I guess, present a few of my issues with Inland Empire.

02:47:10.540 Hit me.

02:47:11.840 Yeah, well, you know, I guess one of them,

02:47:14.460 it's funny maybe because what maybe put me in mind

02:47:17.360 of this comparison was watching the movie

02:47:20.340 and listening to all these people speak in Polish

02:47:24.120 and dealing with the old Poland subplot.

02:47:28.480 But do you know the, it put me in mind of the,

02:47:30.560 do you know the Polish painter?

02:47:33.060 I'm probably gonna butcher the name.

02:47:34.760 begzinski he did a lot of these really famous horror oh yeah begzinski i know exactly what

02:47:40.620 he often gets um confused with um hr geiger but yeah yeah because i i like begzinski quite a bit

02:47:49.620 more actually i think he's more interesting as well but he you know in the last couple of years

02:47:56.440 of his life um it was right around when these sort of like computer software programs were

02:48:04.880 coming out and he basically abandoned doing these spectacular bizarre oil paintings to start

02:48:12.040 experimenting with the these new mediums and you know you can look at him it kind of looks like

02:48:17.380 he made a few like radio head album covers it's it's not as interesting it's not as evocative

02:48:23.580 It was a terrible mistake. And I applaud him for remaining an artist and wanting to experiment with the new medium. I don't think that the technology was there yet. And compared to his other stuff, it just looks really banal.

02:48:44.240 And I'm afraid to say that I think the same thing happened to Lynch when he went digital.

02:48:52.280 I know he was super excited.

02:48:54.560 And at the time he said, you know, I'm never going, I'm never leaving digital ever again.

02:48:59.800 And that's not to say that there aren't some shots and some, you know, use of lighting

02:49:06.720 and some imagery in Inland Empire that aren't really memorable and brilliant.

02:49:12.780 you know there are obviously these moments of you know lynchian uh you know uncanny beauty

02:49:20.220 that you have and horror but it by and large i think you know i did not experience the same kind

02:49:30.220 of just breathtaking cinematography that i i've become accustomed to in a lynch film where i'm

02:49:37.560 looking at every you know every single shot and saying to myself my god that could be a painting

02:49:44.980 you know Mulholland Drive has just this like richness of color and um I don't know just

02:49:54.360 I think that the the control and the deliberateness of the imagery and the crispness

02:50:03.040 of the imagery in his earlier films is something that is lacking in the digital footage in Inland

02:50:14.060 Empire. And there are even scenes like, you know, you have this kind of like tacky pink hotel where

02:50:19.020 you have a lot of scenes with the prostitutes. It's a bit evocative of, you know, Dorothy Singer's

02:50:25.940 apartment in blue velvet, but it's not the same. It's just like the color saturation

02:50:31.680 is something that that that lynch needs yeah and this movie is very under saturated also when he 0.97

02:50:40.820 wants to zoom in on something he uses the camera zoom you know you know what it looks like when a 0.99

02:50:44.700 fucking camera zoom happens yeah it just looks like shit i would uh essentially agree with you 0.99

02:50:49.380 on this uh i'd often wonder like is this improved by the digital handheld camera no um it more often 0.99

02:50:58.800 takes me out of it or i'm liking it despite that having said that would this movie have gotten

02:51:04.200 done if they had to you know take all these extra steps and get it done shot properly on film

02:51:10.400 probably not so that's the trade-off like you know the way he did this movie it it probably

02:51:18.820 required that low investment and the ability to just shoot on the fly so it would have looked

02:51:24.860 better on film without question

02:51:27.020 and I bet it would have

02:51:28.240 I bet a lot of what I like about it

02:51:31.000 I would have liked way more and stuff I hated

02:51:33.020 about it I might have liked but then

02:51:34.880 it might not have gotten done unfortunately it was funny

02:51:36.960 because I watched the

02:51:38.140 Criterion re-release because I think

02:51:40.620 this year in March

02:51:42.900 2023

02:51:44.260 Criterion Collection came out with a whole

02:51:47.000 new Blu-ray of it

02:51:48.480 and they boasted that it was like the original

02:51:51.080 4K work print 0.99

02:51:52.840 I'm like this isn't a 4K fucking movie 0.85

02:51:54.860 like this is this is shot like it would have been better if it was shot on an iphone so i don't 0.91

02:52:00.080 know what you can do to make it look better and it didn't look much better really and it's like 0.97

02:52:05.040 you can't you can't make the audio sound better if the audio is just recorded on the fucking mic 0.88

02:52:09.480 on the thing you know he didn't he didn't like have a boom mic in anything like those that first 0.98

02:52:14.720 scene in the mansion you're just hearing like acoustic audio of them speaking in a room you

02:52:19.800 can't do anything with that unless you dub it later and you're not going to because i think

02:52:24.300 one of the actresses is dead but anyway that's a tangent yeah and you know it's it's hard to like

02:52:30.340 hold lynch that responsible or hold this against him because as you just said dimes i'm sure that

02:52:36.660 there were a ton of budgetary concerns and i i mean i i know enough about lynch to know that

02:52:43.400 he's always kind of struggled with with um with funding and he decided that he wanted to be sort

02:52:49.700 of the king of the small independent film as opposed to the slave to hollywood especially

02:52:54.840 after after dune and so so yeah i can can completely understand why he did not want to

02:53:03.540 have to suffer the indignities of you know raising millions of dollars he's got this great line

02:53:10.640 sorry i just want to say he's got this great line uh because he made an appearance a cameo appearance

02:53:15.200 in steven spielberg's uh the fablemans yes that's come up on a few different uh interviews actually

02:53:21.660 yeah it was just this great line yeah john ford and someone was like oh you should work with

02:53:25.820 spielberg you know and he was like i have a lot of affection for spielberg we're very similar guys

02:53:33.400 he's a man with a vision when he shares his vision millions of people love it and when i

02:53:42.160 share mine hundreds of people love it so he's aware like he gets it but you know yeah it was

02:53:51.520 disheartening to hear like part of it's rebellion part of it's like i just i didn't think a guy of

02:53:57.440 his stature would still struggle like that and maybe that they gave him all everything he wanted

02:54:03.340 with twin peaks but like for a new independent feature i don't know that's that's the bad ending

02:54:09.280 i don't know yeah yeah the um the i guess the other things it's just i i guess a lot of times

02:54:19.780 it feels to me like and let me say let me let me take a step back two times so i saw this

02:54:25.380 went right when it came out when it premiered in like 2006 i actually like flew across the country

02:54:31.380 to portland oregon i was on the east coast at the time to like go and see it in a like portland

02:54:36.240 theater with with a buddy of mine i didn't know that it's so cool you have like the same experience

02:54:40.560 with this as i do because no one else does oh yeah no i was like i mean to me like a new lynch

02:54:47.340 movie coming out was like the second coming to me like i was just i could not be more excited i was

02:54:53.980 thrilled that this was happening and i watched the movie and i have to say i was just sort of

02:55:03.880 flummoxed and i think i think a couple more things to say about it one is it just it often

02:55:11.100 feels to me like a student film version of of mulholland drive like it's like this is what

02:55:19.660 mulholland drive would look and feel like if you had a hundred grand to do it um you know even if

02:55:27.280 if we kind of forgive the fact that he's working with a digital camera there are there are other

02:55:32.140 aspects like for example the you know there's a lot of doubling of characters in inland empire

02:55:41.340 the same way there's a lot of doubling of characters in mulholland drive but you have

02:55:45.420 that's done with such delicacy and finesse um in mulholland drive like he hires these other

02:55:53.520 actresses who look just like very very close but kind of askew different in in a in key ways from 0.96

02:56:02.120 Naomi Watts and you have her and the brunette actress uh um whose name I can't remember playing

02:56:08.680 opposite Naomi Watts who began to look at one another and look look more similar to one another

02:56:14.380 they trade wigs and things like that but you have Laura Dern here and her doppelganger who's clearly

02:56:22.220 the lost girl right I mean we didn't get into that but they're sort of considered you know by

02:56:27.880 some to be twin links, the same soul, the same person, but they look absolutely nothing like

02:56:34.440 one another. You know, there's no, there's no attempt to rhyme, uh, Laura Dern with this woman

02:56:42.620 who's supposed to be sort of her, her spiritual doppelganger, you know? So there's less visual

02:56:48.300 fidelity in the way that there is with earlier Lynch movies where it's like, I'm going to try 0.99

02:56:53.780 i'm probably gonna have to interview 200 actresses to find one that looks like maybe she's naomi

02:56:58.620 watts's sister and i can put her in the scene what's interesting is like her doppelganger is

02:57:06.180 is the creation she makes of herself and that's what's so fascinating about it too

02:57:10.980 and like the the doppelganger for um devon and uh billy's side would have similarly been like a

02:57:18.500 different person so like there's again i'm not saying this was planned but this is why like the

02:57:23.980 movie let me just also i i agree with everything you're saying by the way nothing you have said

02:57:28.740 is like is i agree that everything would have been made better probably with these changes

02:57:33.940 but give me give me my my third this is my third and final blow yes i will never say anything else

02:57:40.140 cruel or mean about david no this is on it's all valid so continue i think that the other thing

02:57:47.460 that like that wounds me about inland empire is that i think that it it lee i watch inland empire

02:57:55.280 and this sound this is sounds more brutal than i meant i mean for it to sound dimes but like

02:57:59.600 i feel like i'm what i i say to myself this is what my less intelligent friends experience when

02:58:08.660 they're watching mulholland drive that's interesting just like it i think it opens it

02:58:15.980 the the typical kind of midwit critiques of lynch are much more like inland empire is left

02:58:26.280 wide open for them in a way that is i think not true it's more easily assailed and um i think it

02:58:35.620 it kind of in some in some moments feels like a parody of a lynch film um well that's why i think

02:58:44.020 you need to watch it back to back with mahal and drive because i do think there's sort of

02:58:48.520 refractions of each other you know i mean like i i think having watched mahal and drive

02:58:55.260 deepens your appreciation of this film or at least it did for me because i saw the tools he

02:59:01.720 was working with because like i said we agree on they're very very similar stories but this one is

02:59:07.080 is far more unhinged in that sense it's it takes the dreamy aspects and makes them dreamier it

02:59:14.260 takes the violence and makes it more violent um it's it's non-linear in a way way more extreme way

02:59:21.500 and uh and the cast of characters is a lot more bizarre but also the funny thing is it's way more

02:59:30.660 hopeful and optimistic like i would say this one has a happy ending and mulholland drive

02:59:36.340 has an incredibly dark and tragic ending like within this within inland empire like there's

02:59:43.400 seemingly more comedy it takes everything and dials it up to 11 and that's why people

02:59:49.280 probably don't like it but to me that so the things that you don't like are heightened and 0.53

02:59:54.820 that might make it you know it's like it's like the irishman it's like some people can't get past

03:00:00.200 the cgi of the de-aging and that's always going to be a roadblock for people i understand that

03:00:06.600 but if you can make it past that and take the bad with the good there's so much brilliance in that

03:00:13.580 movie just within uh joe pesci's character alone you know i mean like like the good the good in

03:00:20.640 inland empire stays with me what i like about it and and you see um sort of the the development of

03:00:28.560 david lynch's very distinct cgi aesthetic here more than ever like especially at the end where

03:00:36.160 the phantom gets shot where that's that's absolutely horrifying that that scared that

03:00:42.100 scared the shit out of me yet again when i and you see exactly like there's something there like

03:00:47.180 arguably that's not the best special effects that seems cheap that imprinted my mind in a way that 0.66

03:00:54.940 still stays with me more than anything i've seen you know you might see like the man who lives

03:00:59.500 behind the winkies yeah and again i'm not denying that the film doesn't have these flashes of

03:01:05.360 brilliance or just like this lynchian imagery that's that's fantastic i also think like the

03:01:10.220 the prostitutes doing the locomotion with like the flashlight the the strobe light like that's also 0.99

03:01:17.620 perfect classic lynchian yeah just like random shit there's random shit in there too there's 0.98

03:01:24.280 stuff like the ending the credit sequence a great example of what you're talking about which is once 0.98

03:01:29.020 the credits roll you start seeing characters that are only mentioned and there's a guy sawing wood

03:01:34.720 you know like yeah the credits again like that's that's the part where like my friend that i dragged

03:01:40.560 to the lynch film looks at me and is like yeah bro yeah yeah well first of all i hope that person's

03:01:48.460 not your friend anymore by the way uh second of all you know the funny thing is like david lynch

03:01:53.740 everyone's like why'd you have a guy saw wood he's like i like the smell of wood i find it

03:02:00.000 thrilling and i wanted to have and there's a story of lord dern um there's a new producer

03:02:07.220 on the movie and then the producer was like yeah david lynch he asked me for a woman with

03:02:13.100 one leg and a monkey and a guy's song would in like by 3 p.m and then that's the scene they shot

03:02:20.520 like but that was that's the scene that's the end credits it's just like a bunch of he's just

03:02:24.720 having fun like who gives a shit he's going where his creativity takes him and i don't know like i

03:02:30.500 that is the behind the scenes story that i like and as um a creative individual myself i i just 0.71

03:02:38.060 i know that might sound pretentious i'm trying to sound as least pretentious as possible but uh

03:02:43.760 like i i love that story there's an energy to that where he he was probably scared at some

03:02:49.180 point it's like i don't know if this is going to come together like i kind of know where i'm going 0.94

03:02:52.200 the actors don't know laura dern and justin theroux are like taking bets on what the fucking 0.78

03:02:57.680 movie's about he would write scenes of dialogue and every day and hand it to them they don't know 0.80

03:03:03.840 they weren't given a script they're just given scenes that day and then they had to okay like

03:03:08.820 how does this make any sense you know but i don't know like to me that's that's there's some magic

03:03:14.960 to that still there's the magic do a bad polish lady accent but if people watch the opening

03:03:22.820 monologue you'll get it yeah yeah you know i don't know it's it's it's also i mean i i know

03:03:28.800 you know i've read lynch's book like catching the big fish uh and like when i when i was in

03:03:33.540 my 20s i was obsessed enough with him that i even like um looked into transcendental meditation for

03:03:40.320 a while i have a very bizarre story i'll tell you someday about that dimes i mean i i can stay for a

03:03:46.280 bit longer if you wanted to tell now because i was interested in that because transcendental

03:03:50.640 meditation seems to sit at the center of his being like he has this whole foundation and i don't know 0.90

03:03:59.160 anything about this shit i don't know what i don't know if it's like a scientology thing well 0.91

03:04:03.660 my story is actually quite brief like if you go it's it is probably a bit like scientology i think 0.97

03:04:09.460 if you like there are different chapters and if you if you if you call a number there's people

03:04:14.980 that will you know will meet you within a you know your your county or city or what have you

03:04:21.400 i wound up calling this calling the number and going out it's david lynch's patriot front sorry

03:04:27.400 this is this is what you're not going to believe this nobody will believe this but like i met i

03:04:31.540 saw it they they told me to meet them in an old church and they come uh and like they show you

03:04:37.280 kind of this introductory video and it's like eventually you're going to have to pay like

03:04:40.480 two thousand dollars to get your mantra or whatever but the point that's that's important

03:04:45.840 is that i went down into this old church and it was the most lynchian setting on the planet because

03:04:54.360 there was this guy in a yellow jacket there was this heavy set man in a mustard jacket

03:05:01.260 who stuttered there was one folding chair that was unfolded in the middle of the room

03:05:09.240 with one lamp shining down on the chair and and 10 feet from the chair was a television

03:05:17.200 and i was just like i'm in a david lynch film

03:05:21.280 david lynch has no business i'm about to be i'm about to be murdered

03:05:26.720 it's a david lynch movie so being murdered would be the good ending you're going to find yourself

03:05:33.380 in some mind-bending chrysalis yeah david lynch has no business projecting his essence on a

03:05:41.340 reality like this but you know what one thing another thing i will say though is like i you

03:05:46.040 know i i understand that he's interested in mysticism i'm uh he's somebody who's i mean

03:05:52.280 And then clearly, I think transcendental meditation, however kooky it is, has done a lot for him to unlock his creativity.

03:06:00.280 But, you know, I don't feel like in watching Mulholland Drive and watching Lost Highway and watching Blue Velvet, I don't think I need to have like read the Kabbalah or like know everything about Zoroastrianism to have like the church key to the symbology of the movies.

03:06:17.860 And I'm sure people have written many a paper on exactly how, you know, if you're going to understand this film, you have to read this, you know, the Bhagavad Gita or whatever or whatever the hell.

03:06:30.700 but i i think that inland empire gets i don't know it it's his his new way his his fascinated

03:06:41.260 with new age spiritual spirituality even if he feels like that has inspired his movies

03:06:47.940 and that it's informed them that's not something that his audience necessarily needs to

03:06:54.900 take take hold of to appreciate them and i did feel that that's less the case with inland empire

03:07:05.200 like you do kind of need to figure out his cosmology a little bit in order to understand

03:07:10.180 yeah well first of all i like that you mentioned this uh no one has read the bag of avida 0.99

03:07:16.420 um and if you find someone that claims that they have you shoot them in the head

03:07:22.960 now secondly um you do make a good point that um like there is something to be said about 0.97

03:07:28.860 transcendental meditation about like shared consciousness and this sort of pool of awareness

03:07:35.440 and maybe there's something to that with inland empire i don't like i'm not sure there is or

03:07:42.620 there isn't although you know there's this movie have you seen that movie by guy richie revolver

03:07:49.600 uh no this would have been after snatch but maybe before he started doing all those like

03:07:58.420 movies for other people this is like what his last uh jason statham movie for a while this

03:08:03.780 is when he was married to madonna and it's this odd duck of a movie um you know fittingly it's

03:08:11.020 probably one of my favorites he's ever done but it is the weirdest um a lot of people hate it

03:08:16.500 um there's actually two different versions of it one's better than the other the longer one's the

03:08:21.640 better version um but it's apparently it was heavily influenced by the kabbalah because

03:08:27.560 uh madonna was is i'm not sure but at very least was weirdly into kabbalah at the time he was

03:08:34.500 married to her i have her so i don't know it supposedly is i don't know anything about the

03:08:39.140 kabbalah but it's like his one weird fucking movie so it could be that as david lynch has gone 0.93

03:08:45.720 more metaphysical maybe that is the transcendental meditation coming through 0.95

03:08:50.020 but you know i i like to just think of i think you've said it best that it's almost the end of

03:08:56.520 a trilogy and it's the loudest of the trilogy and fittingly you know the third is the least

03:09:02.660 popular part of the trilogy everyone loves the second one so i get what people maybe this is

03:09:06.540 the godfather three of his trilogy yeah i mean that's might be a good analogy yeah i'm trying 0.94

03:09:11.500 to beat a drum for godfather three say ignore fucking sofia coppola there's a there's some 0.96

03:09:17.680 good shit in here uh yeah you can you can edit around her um but but i i like it it's a story 0.99

03:09:27.600 about hollywood it's a story about a very a very acute human problem it's about human relationships 0.99

03:09:35.680 and sex and marriage and i think that that's the beating heart of a lot of david lynch's stuff like

03:09:41.940 like we were talking at the very top of this to circle it around a lot of like like cubism he's

03:09:47.760 showing you a simple um image from so many angles that seems more confusing than it is

03:09:54.500 um but like i think what what you can grab onto in each and every one of his movies is a human

03:10:00.460 story like in Twin Peaks it's it's an actual affection for Agent Cooper and it's it's a love

03:10:07.800 of small towns and you know me and my friends were joking like imagine anyone else making Twin Peaks

03:10:13.700 imagine Jordan Peele making Twin Peaks all of a sudden it's a story of small town bigots it's a 0.99

03:10:20.160 story like no one has love for small town America in Hollywood except for fucking David Lynch and 0.96

03:10:26.860 it's that optimism and it's that like beating heart that comes through and i really think 0.77

03:10:34.060 that's what makes him a good director and not just like a a harmony kareen who i like for 0.92

03:10:40.940 different reasons but harmony kareen where it is cynical he does want to fuck with the audience he 0.98

03:10:45.380 is just trying to do some dumb art house dogma 95 shit you know right there's something more 0.93

03:10:53.860 you can dive into this stuff and i think and again that's why i it's um it's one of his movies i love 0.96

03:10:59.140 to dive into the most aside from twin peaks but with twin peaks it's just the lore and how it

03:11:04.820 always just keeps getting bigger and bigger and stranger yeah well well said dimes um and yeah

03:11:14.560 no i hope i didn't come down too hard on on inland empire and and i will um you know i will i will

03:11:20.480 light a candle and, and say my, um, uh, prayers and forgiveness to Lynch tonight before I go to

03:11:27.520 bed. But, uh, cause again, he's my favorite director. He really is. And even, even something

03:11:33.240 that I think was a bit of a cinematic failure for him, um, was, uh, there's still things to

03:11:41.620 get out of it. You're absolutely right. Um, I also think that just the fact that he, to my knowledge,

03:11:46.600 this is the first time he did anything which was uh as spontaneous as like literally writing this

03:11:55.840 down as he goes and that that's another thing where it's like that's an accusation that it's

03:12:01.520 it's a midwit accusation where like a midwit watches blue velvet and they're like i think

03:12:06.440 he just wrote that down on a three by five card um and handed it to dennis hopper on the morning

03:12:14.520 of the shot and then i can i can uh humiliate that person and deride them but and but then

03:12:25.000 lynch went and made a truly quote-unquote experimental spontaneous film where he he

03:12:32.320 wrote everything down the night before it just seems like you know like he there are a lot of

03:12:36.300 sins in this movie that he had been accused of his entire career and he wasn't guilty of them until

03:12:42.700 he made inland empire and that was kind of the feeling i remember having when the you know

03:12:49.620 the house lights came up at the end of the movie uh when i saw the premiere i was just like yeah

03:12:56.520 well that's the thing this movie made you feel like a midwit and mr things i'm here to tell you

03:13:02.100 you're not a midwit you are you're smart enough to love inland empire that's what i'm here to 0.51

03:13:08.080 tell everyone everyone listening to this this isn't a show for dummies this isn't a show for

03:13:12.980 stooges this is for uh the thinker this is a thinking man's show yeah and everyone here is 0.98

03:13:19.620 genius enough to be like me and like this film and uh i was gonna say something fuck i forget 0.98

03:13:26.960 what it was anyway it's probably just some horse shit oh yeah i was gonna talk about those midwits 0.99

03:13:32.700 those people who fucking i hate that look oh i he looked like he was uh writing it as you know 0.99

03:13:37.960 it's like oh well yeah you know the best movie scripts are obviously 900 pages and filled with 1.00

03:13:42.400 stage direction you piece of shit like no you don't know how films are made you don't know 0.98

03:13:47.920 about the interplay between improvisation and planning and building a scaffolding of a story 1.00

03:13:52.860 and giving yourself room to dream and creating these arenas where you can play around in you

03:13:58.860 know like like nothing is completely scripted but nothing is completely improvised either that's you

03:14:05.200 people like oh you know my kid can paint that well you should do it you should do it and make 1.00

03:14:09.360 you a millionaire what's that you live a failure of a fucking life and your kid sucks well i guess 1.00

03:14:14.800 he couldn't do it then could he could your retard kid make a jackson pollock well you should you 1.00

03:14:21.640 should go do it you should you should go do a david lynch we were right now faggot i dare you 1.00

03:14:26.380 make a million dollars i dare you right now sorry i just i can't i can't i can't i can't shoot a 1.00

03:14:32.380 rifle right now so i'm just gonna spit at my computer um dimes let's so i'm gonna get

03:14:42.260 why don't we end it here i'm gonna go go and watch inland empire for the third time

03:14:47.340 right now actually go go watch um what did jack do uh it's like a 17 minute short film

03:14:57.460 he released on netflix david lynch i love anything where david lynch acts i just like him as a guy

03:15:04.400 so watch that yeah yeah his cameos are always great um and your cameo has been great how about

03:15:12.640 that for a segue on the last picture shows film festival so dimes we have to have you back uh

03:15:18.320 next year but but you and i should find an excuse to do a stream um between now and then um and

03:15:25.060 thank you for being my my lynch man uh i knew i knew you'd come through and uh really appreciate

03:15:33.460 it i really appreciate being asked i had a fantastic time um i love talking to people

03:15:38.820 who really really know what they're talking about and you've obviously revealed that you do so i had

03:15:44.700 a fantastic time awesome man all right well take care when we'll be in touch soon all right thanks

03:15:51.040 Hey, baby, I hear the blues are calling

03:15:53.740 Tall salads and scrambled eggs

03:15:56.600 And maybe I seem a bit confused

03:16:01.180 Yeah, maybe, but I got you, Peg

Blood Satellite - October 17, 2025

CONFESSIONS OF A SLOPULIST DARKETER

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