Blood Satellite - Creatine Induced Onlinitis [“engagement I just with him! to whom？”]

00:00:00.000 As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to be a killer in your church! 0.99

00:00:17.120 Blood Satellite 0.66

00:00:18.360 I'm sure the audio quality is good, but how do I sound as a man?

00:00:22.840 You sound like a Georgia peach. You know what I mean?

00:00:26.120 I'm on the first day

00:00:28.940 of being sick so I'm in that window

00:00:31.000 of time where my mind's getting

00:00:32.920 kind of delirious and I'm just really

00:00:34.920 stuffed up. It hasn't really hit

00:00:36.980 me that'll be tomorrow so I'm

00:00:39.020 really trying to get under the line

00:00:40.960 on this one. Did you eat like a whole bunch

00:00:42.940 of raw onions?

00:00:45.240 To get sick or to cure

00:00:46.920 sickness?

00:00:48.620 Either I guess.

00:00:51.860 I could

00:00:53.020 I got like right now

00:00:54.880 i got like a bunch of gatorade and coffee and water just surrounded by fluids and um a whole 0.96

00:01:01.840 fucking you know what maybe was that cheese of cheese that came in from parts unknown 0.97

00:01:08.400 a friend of the show kel kelthura um he mailed us a king's ransom of cheese 0.99

00:01:18.460 crate pretty much like it was when i picked it up he sent it to our uh special po box um and if

00:01:27.240 people want that address you know contact me directly i'm not about to broadcast that to

00:01:33.260 everyone but it sent and you know he contacted your wife first then you i was the last guy to

00:01:39.340 get contacted how do i like he's begging me to get this cheese off his hand suspiciously i might

00:01:45.980 dad he's like and every half hour to 45 minutes giving you updates on the cheese where is it in

00:01:52.260 transit i got lots of updates it became more of a burden he he got the cheese while traveling in

00:01:58.940 france and then while sending the cheese he was arrested for like a knife crime so he was dealing

00:02:04.520 with the police while also dealing with the customs for our cheese it's really an this is

00:02:09.320 the things that that our fans go through to get us he fought to get us this cheese and it was very

00:02:14.300 important because i had said i like cheese and and a box like a heavy box yes um and it actually 0.99

00:02:22.500 seemed heavier once i took it out of the box once you're holding it all there you say god damn this 0.64

00:02:27.840 is a lot of cheese it's like a crate of nazi gold and it reeked good it smells so strong and he was 0.82

00:02:34.960 worried he's like did it go bad i'm worried it took too long in transit i'm like i don't i think

00:02:39.220 the thing about cheese is it doesn't go bad like that it's moldy you can cut off the mold but

00:02:44.920 i think the odor that's you know ripping my face off right now that's a feature not a bug i'm

00:02:52.280 pretty sure yes but i have it in our dry room over here so once you come by this weekend i'm 0.96

00:02:58.780 going to give you i guess just half we're we're doing this like the fucking blood diamond guys 0.90

00:03:05.000 and lord of wars just i'm not gonna weigh the diamonds here's a pile and i'm putting a machete 0.80

00:03:09.300 in the half here's half i'll bring my good machete thank you kel thanks buddy yeah so maybe but in 0.95

00:03:19.580 opening that box maybe some fucking french virus wafted into my face and infected my family 0.93

00:03:25.740 catch the gay so it's me speaking it's kind of like i can only imagine this like a video game 0.99

00:03:33.340 thing where my stamina is running down as the sentence goes on and the moment i stop it refills 0.80

00:03:39.040 so we're gonna see how this goes if i'm going on a long tear in this because i might be blowing my

00:03:45.040 nose a lot um but yeah so there's a couple pieces of news um off the top one is that i'd found

00:03:54.460 evidence of a real man who lived and died in american history and i fought in the civil war

00:04:03.700 his name was christ hitler amazing yes i heard about this now try this one on for size 0.95

00:04:12.380 he fought for the north that's rough christ hitler fought for the fucking libs when i when 0.89

00:04:21.060 i found that out i almost wanted to you know i wish i hadn't read it once i found that out i just 0.86

00:04:26.840 i wish i hadn't found that out yeah essentially there's another thing that happened in the chat

00:04:34.380 i was just reminding me someone was talking about maybe you had said about playing liar's dice 0.87

00:04:38.680 who was talking about playing liar's that wasn't me fucking liar's dice i don't know someone in 0.95

00:04:45.560 the chat now is just bring it up it was it was i think it was either ocean or mid or somebody 0.97

00:04:49.840 he'd been ice fishing and he was talking about uh playing liar's dice with your buddies in the

00:04:54.180 in the uh in the in the ice hut and i couldn't get a read or an explanation of what liar's dice

00:04:59.140 was and i kept asking him is is that like when you're with your buddies and you're shaking the

00:05:03.080 dice and you go to act like you throw them but you don't like faking out a dog yeah yeah the

00:05:10.840 golden retrievers where the dice where the dice

00:05:13.560 me and my buddies back in high school used to play psych dice

00:05:20.480 for hours

00:05:23.660 it's either whacking off or playing psych dice those are the only two things you could do in

00:05:30.740 the early 2000s yeah that's right it's true also i don't know where to go with this but

00:05:36.940 it wouldn't be blood satellite if we didn't address this this is almost news that's tailor

00:05:43.200 made for this show did you see that tom mcdonald did a rap with ben shapiro i couldn't actually

00:05:51.220 watch the entire thing it was too troubling where the american flags at remember when

00:05:57.840 people would hang those they've been taken down they all been replaced with blm flags

00:06:01.420 can i say this ben shapiro's rap was the least cringy part of it well i find yeah i find him

00:06:24.800 pretty cringy to begin with tom mcdonald i mean i don't know much about him but i went and looked

00:06:28.480 some of his other stuff and it's like ah dude this is very like you're like 10 years too late 0.93

00:06:33.060 for this shit at least yeah first of all ben shapiro shows up just dressed like nick fuentes 0.97

00:06:39.520 he's got an america first look he's got his hoodie up and he's rapping and then but he raps 0.98

00:06:45.460 like a guy who doesn't rap he's like i've never rapped before here's my rap as far as that goes

00:06:49.980 like okay it's a serviceable rap let's look at the stats i've got the facts my money like

00:06:55.120 and then there's tom mcdonald on either side of them and i just want to like tom mcdonald so bad 0.99

00:07:13.380 i really do why there's well first of all he's a canadian guy yeah but he's a fucking wigger 0.98

00:07:20.160 but he's he's such an extreme of wigger he's as close as i think we can get to having a canadian 0.99

00:07:27.980 florida guy but he gives out the vibes of like a florida guy right he's got like it precisely 0.97

00:07:33.900 four long braids on his hair just going down and they bother me every time i see them because

00:07:40.000 every time you want to see it ripped off in an escalator or something yes that that is i agree 0.84

00:07:46.420 with that yeah it's like they're precarious canadian white man desperately wants to be black 0.95

00:07:51.900 works together with the jewish fellow who is hyper orthodox and trying to co-opt the right 0.88

00:07:59.280 like what's to like oh he does like let me just say that i'm gonna i'm gonna cancel you right 0.96

00:08:05.520 there okay i'm giving you a sexual harassment suit the yellow card because i think we are at 0.98

00:08:14.060 such an advanced stage of wiggerdom that pretending to be black has nothing to do with it 0.99

00:08:19.240 i think he is such a hyper evolved wigger like post juggalo i think there's almost nothing black 1.00

00:08:27.240 within juggalo culture it's like a this perfect white trash thing and then tom mcdonald's on top 1.00

00:08:33.960 of that where now it's also face tattoos and you're tattooing the inside of your lip 0.94

00:08:37.300 and you're doing maga stuff um and also like i've heard a bunch of his songs and i'm like okay he

00:08:44.680 can rap and he does have a good flow and a good style but the thing is it's all not even conscious

00:08:51.820 rap because conscious rap is kind of nerdy this is like heroin politics rap you know where it's

00:08:58.540 like trashy but it's maga stuff it's all about the culture war and cancel culture and stuff and to me 0.64

00:09:04.360 that gets old he cut an entire album with mad child from swollen members which is actually a

00:09:11.560 band that i like a rap group i've listened to them when i was in high school when i ever hear

00:09:16.640 music like his i'm at an age where it's always very contextual so and this is why i had to get

00:09:23.860 out of a lot of horrorcore rap because i'm like is this a song i would play in the car not really

00:09:29.420 is it a song i'd play at the gym not really is it a song i would like play for a like a girl or

00:09:35.640 something no so like i don't know where i would listen to the ben shapiro cancel culture rap

00:09:41.020 right the ben shapiro it's called a yarmulke motherfucker that sort of rap you know where 0.99

00:09:46.460 does that fit in my life i don't know who's publicity stunt it's it's a fucking cultural 0.98

00:09:50.200 product it's not it's not anything so and and to be frank i don't know much about him i'm just 0.51

00:09:55.900 reviewing him recently as this came out and it's like i i agree with what you're saying like he is 0.92

00:10:02.960 he's enough of a trashy degenerate piece of shit that you know he's mutated enough that he's accepted 0.97

00:10:09.660 in the mainstream so he can creep up to these issues never really touched them to be honest 1.00

00:10:15.580 but he can creep up to these issues without getting canceled but like if that's the limit

00:10:21.000 of what you can do i'm just gonna throw him away because you've first of all you've ruined yourself 1.00

00:10:25.740 you've normalized face tattoos septum piercing being a degenerate disgusting fucking mutant 1.00

00:10:31.760 you've done all of that and ruined yourself and now you're trying to be a fucking role model 1.00

00:10:36.380 for our for our movement fuck off man seriously honestly get out of here with that shit and of 1.00

00:10:41.480 course who would you expect him to partner with ben shapiro another fucking kike who's trying to 1.00

00:10:46.860 co-opt our movement for his own purposes so it it all it fits perfectly this is the exact type of 0.99

00:10:53.240 quote-unquote white artist that i despise and of course of course he's allied with with ben

00:11:00.820 shapiro like it's it's just perfect you couldn't even write it it is like it's like ben shapiro

00:11:05.540 now would not be the guy i would pick to be on this song like the the heat of ben shapiro would

00:11:11.040 have been many many years ago right that'd be like getting stephen crowder now stephen crowder

00:11:15.920 now is not at his peak culturally the peak of like cultural coolness ben shapiro is this might

00:11:22.080 be the worst time to drop a diss track with ben shapiro like he's taking all the heat from that 0.94

00:11:27.000 israeli gaza shit you know i also i also don't think just me again i'm not a cultural you know 0.92

00:11:33.320 a guy but from my read one of these culture guys but from my read of our sphere rap is not the top 0.99

00:11:42.400 you know genre that really has an influence in terms of like people actually digging deep into

00:11:48.020 artists you're a bit of an exception just because you're such the only one and you've been around

00:11:52.740 there's look there's other guys but i mean if you want to try to start finding this quote unquote 0.96

00:11:56.160 dissonant right guys who like rap you're starting to get over into the possibly controlled op gay

00:12:02.340 op type guys like america first our actual what i call actual right wingers you know who actually 0.71

00:12:09.540 believe in the you know anyways don't like rap we like electronic music we like metal you know but

00:12:16.620 i don't i can't think of anybody aside from you who has like a fascination with it as an art form 0.58

00:12:21.860 who actually just listen to fucking rap all the time especially new stuff you know i guess my 0.63

00:12:27.040 point is anything that's produced now even if it's got a white face on it it's not it's if they're 0.98

00:12:32.560 claiming it's right wing it's it's co-opt it's not yeah and if you if people are looking for an

00:12:37.940 artist that hits a lot of the same cultural notes as tom mcdonald but is kind of not doing what

00:12:46.360 anything you had just mentioned is way, way better.

00:12:48.820 I would recommend Yellow Wolf.

00:12:51.060 Yellow Wolf, I would put as,

00:12:53.600 like for someone who really goes deep with this stuff,

00:12:55.620 I'd say he's one of the top five rappers right now

00:12:59.060 and maybe ever.

00:13:00.780 Like I actually think he's,

00:13:02.140 and he cuts it across with rock music and country

00:13:05.320 in a way that no one else really does.

00:13:07.420 And it's not gimmicky.

00:13:09.900 And like he kind of even looks very similar to him.

00:13:16.360 window

00:13:16.880 to hit 0.94

00:13:18.800 to cripple 1.00

00:13:20.860 to fucks 1.00

00:13:23.120 not to give him 1.00

00:13:24.620 I'm going to get him

00:13:26.560 or going to prison 0.74

00:13:28.480 dangerous mind of a 22 year old me 1.00

00:13:31.580 damn what a shame 1.00

00:13:32.600 what I didn't know the pizza man 0.99

00:13:33.940 I was speaking for the cheese and the bread

00:13:35.400 for the culinary gang

00:13:36.400 culinary gang 1.00

00:13:37.380 fuck it and I let the mullet hang 1.00

00:13:38.820 I ain't get the budget to go cut it anyway 1.00

00:13:40.700 and then also insane clown posse 0.93

00:13:43.560 like if you want to go down the road 0.89

00:13:45.080 just get into like psychopathic records at that point get go to the gathering of the juggalos

00:13:50.040 there's tom mcdonald's everywhere there

00:13:52.240 all right there's a couple things i wanted to get to and i'm trying to figure out which order

00:14:00.460 to do these in because you have a fascinating story that i want to hear all right live reporting

00:14:06.860 from the ground on how manufacturing in canada is getting hollowed out but i also had sort of a

00:14:14.060 a dad corner thought i wanted to ask you and this will be once again may divide the audience

00:14:21.760 may divide even the hosts of this show but i want to hear because you once again for folks at home

00:14:28.800 i'm a recent father nickels 10 months old you've got two daughters much very mature at advanced 0.67

00:14:37.260 age let's say i'm not going to call them hags but in baby years we would call them you know 0.80

00:14:44.340 toddlers of a certain age now uh as we mentioned before um you know and this is for the new dads

00:14:54.840 or people who are thinking about being a dad uh one interesting thing about kids is that you have

00:15:00.080 to introduce food and the whole feeding thing is something that i guess really never gets easier

00:15:06.040 until they're teenagers and even then it's not even that much easier but but you're always trying

00:15:10.560 to introduce them to see what they like and then early on it's uh you're always trying to figure

00:15:16.340 out if they're allergic to something and allergies are pretty rare but you never know and we've

00:15:21.360 tested him with everything he's not allergic to peanuts he loves peanut butter he loves meat

00:15:25.240 he eats all kinds of food there's one type of food that he can't have right now and that's dairy

00:15:33.320 By dairy, I mean milk.

00:15:35.520 I mean yogurt and cheese.

00:15:37.780 And we tested him with yogurt.

00:15:39.260 Now, I'm going to tell you the story so you get the background.

00:15:42.640 And I'm going to tell you what my thoughts are.

00:15:44.220 So when we started introducing food to him, like mushes and whatnot, he would get, like, rashes all over his face, right?

00:15:52.020 But he also has eczema.

00:15:53.620 And he's very, very young when he did this.

00:15:56.260 And we thought, oh, my God, is he allergic to everything? 0.98

00:15:58.180 Well, that doesn't make any fucking sense. 0.96

00:15:59.560 So we're like, okay, we'll keep an eye on it. 0.94

00:16:00.900 eventually the rash has stopped happening right so it was just some kind of skin reaction to

00:16:07.060 introducing new food and then you just keep at it and it goes away and i think what happens

00:16:12.200 when you hear this from other parents is they overreact to that they say oh my guy's got a rash

00:16:17.060 so he or she can't eat that food at all so you get it in your head that they're allergic to all

00:16:22.280 these foods and eventually you can develop an allergy because if you do have a slight reaction

00:16:28.120 to something and then you keep the kids away from it they just an alert allergy kind of builds over

00:16:34.900 time to that yeah but that's almost environmental whereas if you're just introducing it and kind of

00:16:40.580 bit by bit they might not have it later or it can reverse like my wife used to eat peanut butter all

00:16:46.320 the time and then as an adult started getting rashes when she had peanut butter so i don't

00:16:50.900 what the fuck that's about anyway um but dairy it was a more extreme reaction and so we went to

00:16:58.340 like an allergist at one point uh to test for other foods everything's fine and they went and 0.98

00:17:03.820 did a prick test on his arm for dairy and he's still allergic to it not only is he still allergic

00:17:09.860 to it the reaction to me seemed worse and we hadn't given him any dairy in the months in

00:17:16.800 intervening and my wife is like well you know this this sort of thing goes away after a year

00:17:21.560 that's the other thing like a lot of times kids dairy allergies are pretty common and then they

00:17:26.660 just go away after one year right so that's what we're keeping in the back of our minds however

00:17:31.360 my thinking was and this is just you know maybe i'm getting too conspiratorial or i've been reading 0.99

00:17:37.720 too many websites but i'm also like you know i think this allergist is full of shit i think 0.98

00:17:43.360 she's useless and i think if we kept just kept giving him bits of yogurt or dairy whatever maybe 0.97

00:17:50.600 he would just toughen up and plow through it and maybe by us keeping it from him it's made it worse

00:17:56.580 i don't know but that was my thinking and i voiced that to my wife and we're kind of on the fence

00:18:01.720 because what do you do right you don't want to be wrong about this but i'm just wondering what

00:18:05.680 your thoughts are on that um did you encounter anything like this or based on what i've said

00:18:10.860 what do you think i haven't because neither of our kids have any allergies at all and like and i

00:18:15.740 don't mean like we got them out of it i mean not from the very beginning they've just never had an

00:18:20.100 allergic reaction um my my question would be less about the milk if it were my kid and i'd be like

00:18:27.120 what what are we talking about in terms of the rash like is this a rash i'm not i'm not asking

00:18:33.020 i'm saying rhetorically like is this a rash that lasts for three days and he's in excruciating

00:18:37.080 pain is this little rash that lasts for three hours and he seems grumpy if it's like it's a

00:18:41.820 rash that he gets for like a couple hours and he doesn't seem particularly affected right so if that

00:18:47.580 was the case if it were me i would keep introducing it to him maybe every couple of weeks maybe once

00:18:53.940 a month just keep doing it like on a schedule and see if it changes if it gets worse if it gets

00:18:58.800 better over time obviously you don't want to put it in his main like course of food because you 0.79

00:19:03.600 don't want to you don't want to be walking around with a fucking rash all the time but yeah if all 0.78

00:19:08.080 it is is uh like almost just an aesthetic kind of rash i would just run with it because i think 0.96

00:19:14.200 there's a probability that you're right that um it will go away over time because we we do know

00:19:21.560 that these things change anecdotally you and i we know in our own families that these things change

00:19:25.720 over time they could get better or they could get worse but they do change and then the other thing 0.99

00:19:30.500 you're saying but the nutritionist could also be full of shit you just don't know anymore do you 0.98

00:19:35.420 like some of the i'm sure there's such a thing as a good nutritionist but i mean do you trust 0.99

00:19:39.100 the canadian healthcare system i fucking don't also just to clarify this is an allergist sorry

00:19:44.420 that's what i thought about a nutritionist might be a bit more professional like i don't know how 0.97

00:19:49.500 much school you need to go to to be an allergist yeah i mean i'm happy to be corrected on any of

00:19:56.420 this because obviously for me my kids safety and health is the highest priority but generally it's

00:20:03.500 my belief that um exposure is the cure to not just to things related to allergy but for for

00:20:11.800 discipline and for for a lot of others like first it's the concept of like you teach your kid to

00:20:16.100 swim by throwing them off the dock right like you're there to grab them and pull them back out

00:20:20.240 they're not going to drown but like giving them putting them in a situation where it maybe is

00:20:25.300 actually outside of their limits but you are the training wheels is probably it's all right and if

00:20:30.320 you know that the reaction is minor and it's not affecting their health it might just be making

00:20:34.240 them uncomfortable it's worth it because look i the other the long run thing is do you want to 0.98

00:20:39.180 have a son who at 25 cannot drink milk or eat cheese that is a fucking heavy heavy i have to 0.96

00:20:47.300 tell her i'm like look we all her and i we all went to see the band health a great band do you 0.99

00:20:53.800 want our son to be like the lead singer of health who is like a skinny pasty nihilistic he looks

00:21:02.520 like if like morty from rick and morty grew up like you know what i mean so i'm like do you want

00:21:08.040 to be that no because he's a boy and you know she she grew up a girl so she's used to girls but a

00:21:15.000 boy i'm like he's gonna run into a lot of walls that's just what they do that's another good

00:21:20.200 example of this like i do this all the time my wife will sometimes i mean she's good with it too

00:21:25.600 but she was a little more careful than me in in some cases where you see the kids doing something

00:21:30.800 that's dangerous my say my my parents are much more likely to shout at them my brother when he

00:21:37.160 watches them it's like oh my god get down from there you're gonna kill yourself if i can look

00:21:41.120 at it and be like if she fell from there right now that's gonna leave a mark but it's gonna be

00:21:47.460 okay. And she's going to cry for the rest of the day, but again, going to be fine. I'll just let

00:21:51.340 her do it. Uh, because it's good, you know, because it's better for that to happen. Better

00:21:58.440 to climb a tree and fall of it and fall out of it and break your arm even with dad standing right

00:22:03.760 there than to be put up to it with your friends when you're 16 for the first time. And then you

00:22:09.900 weigh what 45 kilo and there's nobody around cause you're down at the gravel pit and then 0.96

00:22:15.420 it's a fucking hospital trip so like i think it's better to to go you know with a lot of this stuff 0.82

00:22:20.820 to be exposed to it in a controlled environment i know there's this is the same argument that's 0.99

00:22:24.660 used for a lot of more degenerate shit and i but i think this is the source of it is in my opinion 0.93

00:22:30.740 good parenting is allowing for exposure to danger in a controlled environment yeah like for me my 0.98

00:22:37.120 job as a father is i'm going to childproof the outlets because people are unaware if you haven't

00:22:43.160 had young kids especially young boys i never experienced this until i had one they have this

00:22:49.080 uncanny ability to find like the most destructive straight up weaponry like they will find knives 0.99

00:22:56.540 in your sock drawer they'll find like guns in the drywall kids just have this fucking ability to 0.99

00:23:02.620 find just like it's like they're magnets for suicide in a way so like my job is to child 0.98

00:23:10.700 the outlets my job is to make sure the bookshelf is anchored to the wall yeah anything short of

00:23:16.840 that if they want to fall off the bookshelf by climbing it okay but i i fail as a father if the 0.87

00:23:22.940 bookshelf tips over and crushes them that's me fucking up now i want to get into this because 0.67

00:23:28.300 we might be able to spend quite a bit of time on this because um and we're gonna try and do some 0.89

00:23:34.820 surgery on the story so you don't get in trouble but i i guess i'll just tee you up with this is

00:23:40.960 about manufacturing in canada and to me this sounds like uh anyway you i there you go so this

00:23:49.600 was i think i just told you about this yesterday i told you about it as it was happening so

00:23:52.740 i work um i'm management in a company um which is a manufacturing company and i was sitting in my

00:24:02.600 office with the door open and i heard the ceo in a boardroom meeting with the two ceos of two other

00:24:10.500 companies um that deal in i don't want to be too specific but they deal in certain types of

00:24:17.100 equipment which is critical to not only manufacturing but the manufacturing of other

00:24:21.840 equipment like heavy machinery as well heavy machinery generally heavy machinery so heavy

00:24:27.620 machinery like shop floor machinery for manufacturing so one of these guys owns a

00:24:31.500 company both of them own companies that do different parts of this process but they both

00:24:34.720 own companies that that um i should say distribute this equipment because anybody who knows about the

00:24:41.460 canadian industrial economy it's been gutted for a long time and it's getting worse and that's kind

00:24:45.040 of what the story is about is me hearing about it firsthand and the glee that these guys and if you

00:24:50.180 had time for the folks at home including myself because i am in a home um you said this is sort

00:24:57.960 of a link in a chain of a lot longer process so uh what what else you said this is if anyone

00:25:04.600 familiar with the industry what where have you heard this before happening well what i oh it's

00:25:10.960 kind of it's okay so i've been i've been in in hong kong for i had been in hong kong for 10 years

00:25:17.040 until recently and i'm dealing with i don't know how to phrase this i guess what i'm saying is i've

00:25:26.140 been over there and i know how that works and i know from talking to the exporters of similar

00:25:30.540 equipment because we're buying that equipment for our factory in china i know from those exporters

00:25:35.700 i knew what their story was i knew that they would always pitch me like oh well we just got bigger

00:25:40.760 and we're selling this now to the u.s we're selling this to germany and look we've got this

00:25:44.780 machine that can overtake that machine and i felt at the time um like either you know the watchman 0.96

00:25:52.100 is asleep in the west or else these chinese sales guys are just fucking lying to me they're pitching 0.88

00:25:57.740 it as if it's actually better but it's not both could have been equally plausible and they're you 0.96

00:26:02.720 know what they're both there's probably a little bit of truth in each coming back now i'm sitting

00:26:07.460 here and i'm listening to these two guys not that old probably in their late 30s who are like

00:26:12.780 sales and one of them was that's right one of them was a sales exec and the other one was the

00:26:17.600 owner of the company was a smaller company but he was the owner and but they were both in like

00:26:21.720 their late 30s maybe early 40s and they were talking about it they're essentially saying the

00:26:26.080 same thing that i'd heard from the chinese sales people over the past 10 years which is

00:26:29.540 for the longest time um they had been importing this type of equipment sections of it from europe

00:26:36.940 like there's a lot of some specific type of part that was always made in italy and another couple

00:26:41.260 types that were always made in germany and they would import them and some of the basic uh like

00:26:45.560 millwork and assembly was done in canada and then they were labeling them and selling them and

00:26:50.900 distributing them within canada under their brand names and they were all kind of competing with

00:26:55.400 each other but they're saying over the past few years the chinese have been buying up as to the

00:27:02.240 the chinese model has been to buy up the best equipment in europe that they can afford copy it

00:27:08.600 and then use it to build more of it so now they're building chinese knockoffs of the best

00:27:14.640 equipment in europe and here's the thing the scope or like the the range of quality that's

00:27:21.360 coming out of china as of now the last few years and this is something i had noticed before i left

00:27:24.620 you can still get you know dime a dozen garbage in china that will fall apart on you 0.73

00:27:30.340 but you can actually get chinese equipment which is more or less the same quality as the highest

00:27:39.140 and european equipment for half of the price not for five percent of the price but for half of the

00:27:44.840 price and that's that's huge and is that a larger trend in your opinion sorry to interrupt you but

00:27:50.660 yeah no that i mean this is the this is what i'm seeing is china has reached a point now where

00:27:54.980 they're doing this across many many sectors and this is this cuts to the core thing which again

00:28:00.020 i don't have a aside from these few anecdotes from my experience in china and from this conversation

00:28:04.040 that i overheard yesterday i don't have a lot of other data because it just happened i haven't

00:28:07.700 researched all of it but this is a pattern that i've noticed is over time it used to be that

00:28:12.480 china had two things going for it that allowed it to undercut the west one of them was extremely

00:28:19.380 lax labor regulations uh health regulations environmental regulations low taxes cheap 1.00

00:28:27.460 slave labor the other thing that they had was the quality for their stuff is absolute dog shit 1.00

00:28:33.220 because their people are stupid and untrained because they've never built this before this 0.99

00:28:37.500 was the case maybe 15 years ago and so the stuff was literally five percent of the cost of the of 1.00

00:28:42.760 the european or western equivalent what's happened now is they've been doing it for so long they've

00:28:47.820 been they've spent so long copying western technology and in many cases they actually

00:28:52.380 have hired westburn expertise to come over and help them i i knew a guy who was commissioning

00:28:57.300 factories for them who's a south african so there's this is happening a lot now or it's rather

00:29:01.680 it's been happening for over a decade now you've got equipment where it is technologically equivalent

00:29:07.100 to the best stuff in the west but it's still dirt cheap and why is it dirt cheap because they still

00:29:11.940 have slave labor and no environmental or or or labor regulations or health regulations safety

00:29:18.680 regulations fuck all so they're acting in terms of the way that they treat labor and their economy

00:29:24.100 they're acting like late industrial america you know like uh they're like the carnegie's or 0.99

00:29:30.020 something right um but in terms of the quality of the product it's the same and the problem with

00:29:35.320 this is and this comes back to the conversation i heard overheard yesterday these guys they've

00:29:40.640 they've realized this and they had brought a new pitch deck of their new equipment they said this

00:29:44.960 stuff won't be available for about another year but they've been back and forth to the factory

00:29:49.260 the one guy's going back to the factory in march to check the progress of it but this equipment

00:29:53.440 is not only not only better equipment than china's ever made it's equivalent to the best stuff in

00:30:00.500 Europe. And again, if anybody knows about the industrial state of Canada, we have had falling

00:30:06.040 industrial investment in productivity for a long, long time, partly because of NAFTA and our

00:30:10.140 relationship with the US. There's a number of other reasons, partly because of liberal

00:30:13.020 governance and how impossible it is to invest because of taxes and regulations in Canada.

00:30:18.360 But you've got equipment that it's just, it's literally never even been in Canada. Like you've

00:30:24.860 got types of machines with the level of technology that have never even been on Canadian soil.

00:30:30.500 and the first time that they touch down here they aren't going to be made in hamburg they're going

00:30:35.860 to be made in guanzhou right they're going to be imported from china even though they're german

00:30:40.820 designs and all of that money is going to china so right away there's this breakdown of trade between

00:30:46.980 us and europe but then the other part of it is and this is the key thing that i took away from this

00:30:52.340 the way that they arranged to have these machines made there's one major company in it's not in

00:30:58.740 guanzo i think it's in chanjin chanjin which is the major port um they've arranged they've created

00:31:07.620 a conglomerate all of these heavy equipment companies in canada they've created a conglomerate

00:31:12.500 and they have gone to the company in china and together they've arranged what kind of equipment

00:31:19.380 they all want they've bought in together so that they can get a better price and then when this

00:31:26.340 equipment arrives it's just going to be private labeled which which with each of their brands

00:31:31.120 so all of these heavy equipment companies which up until last year were competing

00:31:35.220 they're still going to be giving the appearance of competition but there's they've essentially

00:31:39.760 cut up the canadian national market for this equipment and all of it is literally the same

00:31:45.160 equipment made by the same chinese factory and there's a huge impetus for everybody to switch

00:31:50.600 over to it because it's cheaper and also better so it's like a canadian heavy machinery cartel

00:31:57.840 dealing with a sole chinese supply and i want to be specific it is a specific type of machinery

00:32:03.100 it's not all heavy machinery it's a specific type of machine i just don't want to dox the industry

00:32:07.360 that i'm in but it's a specific type of machinery and my point is from having been in china and dealt

00:32:12.540 with other types of unrelated machinery i've seen the same pattern happening and i've been told by

00:32:17.260 the chinese builders or the chinese manufacturers that it's happening and now i've seen the other

00:32:22.060 end of it i've seen this the uh the demand side of it and i realized it wasn't a lie it wasn't a

00:32:27.260 sales pitch it's fucking real so and the the problem that i identified to you immediately 0.67

00:32:32.120 when i was telling you about this was can you imagine if we went to war with china or something 0.92

00:32:38.260 happened to the chinese economy or global shipping collapsed that's it like prior to that these

00:32:44.480 people these companies were first of all competing with each other second of all had uh had very

00:32:50.100 complex but distributed supply chains they were getting different pieces from different manufacturers

00:32:55.980 all over the world and they were doing a lot of the assembly themselves now these things are being

00:33:00.160 made by a single manufacturer in a single country and the same manufacturer in the same country is

00:33:06.060 making it for every single competing company so if that company goes down every one of these

00:33:12.080 companies in the canadian conglomerate immediately has no stock not only that but because it's

00:33:16.480 equipment they have no service like it's it's insane it like the the folly of this is wild

00:33:22.460 but you could look at these guys and the thing is i was hearing these guys kind of riff on

00:33:26.180 politics they're moderately right-wing guys like they hate trudeau they hate the level of taxation

00:33:32.320 we have i'm convinced that these guys given the alternative like given in if they had the

00:33:37.520 alternative to like invest in a Western or even better, a Canadian company that was building this

00:33:42.460 equipment, they'd absolutely do it. But the way it stands right now, these guys were almost

00:33:46.860 destroyed by the COVID mandates. They're barely hanging on. And this is an opportunity for them

00:33:51.700 to recover all of the losses from 2020 and 2021. They're going to make a killing selling these

00:33:56.540 machines now. So to them, it's like, it's, it's manna from heaven. But what it actually is, is,

00:34:02.240 is you're selling the last remaining independence of Canadian industry 1.00

00:34:07.460 to the fucking Chinese for your pound of silver. 0.99

00:34:12.100 So it does not bode well for the Canadian industrial economy, 1.00

00:34:16.560 what's left of it.

00:34:17.180 Well, this is specific to your experience,

00:34:20.980 but it wouldn't surprise me if this was happening elsewhere,

00:34:23.940 just knowing, and we covered this in detail when we were discussing,

00:34:27.660 we did a couple episodes on the Chinese Communist Party's relationship

00:34:31.980 of canada both through the triads and organized crime networks but then also through migration 0.65

00:34:38.520 and real estate and other official channels so like this is just one prong of the most insanely 1.00

00:34:47.800 pronged fork you can imagine i'm very sick people you're going to hear a lot of dumb shit come out 0.98

00:34:52.880 of my mouth right now you're going to hear a lot of metaphors that sound delirious um but you just 0.99

00:34:59.300 stick with me here it's it's a a fork you'd see in a nightmare in a fit of fucking um but yeah like 0.96

00:35:07.680 to me like this would be happening everywhere and and if china is doing it it's putting so much 0.96

00:35:12.300 money behind it because you know what do you use slaves for you slaves to build something big 0.59

00:35:17.460 so this push that china's making is just part of a larger push to own canadian manufacturing

00:35:23.420 that's my prediction and i don't think anyone who's been paying attention would think that's

00:35:28.480 an extreme prediction yeah they have us by the balls and to me the the thing that like the

00:35:35.600 takeaways that i had from this experience one of them is it it reinforces the importance of

00:35:43.180 deregulating the way that we treat industry in canada and i know there's a lot of people that

00:35:47.080 like oh that's a libertarian right wing take whatever but the truth of it is we are whether

00:35:52.500 you like it or not competing with china we're competing with the global economy you can complain 0.82

00:35:56.920 about it all you fucking want but so long as it's legal to import this equipment you're competing 0.99

00:36:02.340 with the people making it and the people making it are slaves in like hellish smokestack jungles 0.96

00:36:08.420 so you can either find a way to compete with them or you can close all trade with this side of the

00:36:15.300 world and precipitate a war i'm actually okay with either option either is okay but with the 0.97

00:36:20.920 current what we're currently doing option c is import all of this shit and now your whole 0.98

00:36:26.260 industrial economy relies on them so that can't happen polyev isn't going to fix a fucking thing 0.93

00:36:30.160 so either we find a politician who will actually change the laws and as that sounds unlikely i 0.85

00:36:36.700 think the and i'm going to just propose a crime here but it's a white collar crime i propose

00:36:41.800 that people who know how begin projects to restore canadian manufacturing and you can say oh that's 0.97

00:36:52.120 so difficult because of the tax regime and the regulatory regime and i say fuck the taxes 0.99

00:36:57.380 fuck the regulations i'm talking about black market illegal rum runner manufacturing of widgets 0.99

00:37:06.500 i i you you see what i'm saying like i don't think the labor cost is the important thing to worry 0.99

00:37:13.580 about i think the thing to worry about is the fact that to get all of your ducks in a row legally to

00:37:18.880 even run some of these companies, you're paying so much in taxes and fees and licensing and

00:37:24.800 add and on. And I'm like, if you want to manually, I worked at a company 15 years ago where we

00:37:30.140 manufactured power supplies for lighting hydroponic lighting systems. And these were literally like

00:37:36.060 rinky dink little tin boxes assembled by high school students that were, you know, retail for

00:37:40.180 75 bucks. And we had to monthly let the government regulators come in and waste more than a day of

00:37:48.460 the entire floor's time going through every stage of our fucking process which was a bunch of two 0.97

00:37:53.900 by four benches and guys with shitty hand tools because it's canada we don't have real technology 0.95

00:37:58.400 right and they're like oh you really need to you need to install a fume hood over here because of 0.91

00:38:04.280 the you have a drill and all of this shit and it's like that's that's the reason we can't have 0.94

00:38:08.960 manufacturing anymore right we're fucking oh they we have to get past this i know i'm ranting at 0.99

00:38:15.000 this point but i aside from finding a politician who will fix this for us it's up to us who know 0.99

00:38:21.380 how to build things and run businesses to recreate this industry and and damn the man

00:38:27.400 i was thinking about this because the book we'll get into later actually touches on this it's a 0.80

00:38:32.720 fascinating book but uh he makes a comment in it that you know when we talk about there's no

00:38:39.140 political solution you hear that a lot but um that's almost like code word for violence but

00:38:44.240 Yeah. If you actually think about it, it's like you want to elect someone to run the country and drastically change it.

00:38:53.600 It's like, well, that would be like a company hiring a CEO to like completely rework the company.

00:38:58.800 That almost never happens. Yeah. Usually you get someone to run the company to make like a tiny incremental change.

00:39:04.480 They're just maintenance. They're just maintenance workers.

00:39:06.820 Most of the time, they only get hired to accelerate whatever it is they're doing, even if they're promising change.

00:39:14.260 It's usually change in a certain direction.

00:39:18.060 And I'm reminded of this quote that's been going around a lot lately, and I had heard it covered by David Green, Dave the Distributist.

00:39:28.040 He wrote a substack about this.

00:39:29.800 The quote is, a system is what it does.

00:39:32.900 Right.

00:39:32.960 And he didn't come up with it.

00:39:34.240 He was borrowing it from engineering and tech development.

00:39:39.840 And it's this, they call it a theory.

00:39:41.680 I don't know if it's there.

00:39:42.160 I think it's just a bunch of words that make sense.

00:39:45.440 So when you deal with a complex system like a machine or an assembly line, there are so many moving parts.

00:39:51.240 And there are so many ways that it can go wrong that if this turns into a question about the ultimate source or the intention of what something was designed to do, you'll never get to the bottom of what actually is going on.

00:40:04.240 be constant recriminations back and forth like you see in politics so one of the things that

00:40:10.560 engineers particularly in my field are kind of what's that's impressed upon us is the idea that

00:40:17.360 the system you put into operation it does what it does and it doesn't matter what you intended

00:40:22.880 it to do it doesn't matter how many different complex things there are and which one went wrong

00:40:27.840 the total effect is what you're always trying to address and anything else is kind of a way

00:40:33.440 to skirt ownership over what the system ultimately delivers it sounds very simple system is what it

00:40:40.020 does so don't talk about what a system is designed to do or what it ideally should do it is what it

00:40:46.460 does so i was also reminded of another uh post i saw somewhere it might have been on twitter

00:40:51.380 the tweet was you know leftism is basically what it does like what is leftism well look at what you

00:41:00.300 can get away with saying or you can't get away with saying so if you're a leftist a progressive

00:41:04.980 even uh politically think of it has nothing to do with economics you can be a leftist and advocate

00:41:10.980 for a wide array of economic theories you could probably even be a leftist monarchist it wouldn't

00:41:16.240 surprise me but you got guys like hassan piker who's a socialist but lives in a mansion and 0.97

00:41:22.540 dresses in designer clothes no one actually gives a shit normally gives a shit about anything 0.93

00:41:26.100 economically on the left but look about what you can't complain about uh or what you need to fall 1.00

00:41:32.060 in line with it's essentially black and brown people worship it's gay stuff and tranny stuff 0.95

00:41:39.540 you can't be ambivalent or agnostic on those and because of that that is what leftism is 0.94

00:41:46.600 that's it it isn't even political yeah yep and so when you look at uh a system like what we've

00:41:54.040 got here you know like the system that's you're describing right now like what is this system

00:41:58.380 this system is only created to persecute manufacturers yeah it's like well it's

00:42:04.160 designed to actually no no no what does it actually do what it's doing it isn't really

00:42:08.880 helping anyone it's not supporting anyone it's just making it harder for manufacturers which

00:42:14.260 are usually white guys if we're being honest engineers and manufacturers are usually white men

00:42:18.820 so that's all this system does 0.56

00:42:20.900 it's to restrict them

00:42:22.920 from operating but funneling

00:42:25.040 money at everything else

00:42:26.800 literally everything else you know what I just saw

00:42:28.760 and I'm jumping all over the place again

00:42:30.720 I'm sick I'm a sicko tonight

00:42:33.120 wicked sick

00:42:35.420 it was one of those 0.99

00:42:36.640 guys like oh blank

00:42:38.920 age blank you know like one of those 1.00

00:42:41.020 I'm a fucking silicon 0.99

00:42:42.820 age herbalist whatever those you know 1.00

00:42:44.900 those kind of crap adjacent things 0.99

00:42:46.400 whatever the fuck it is but they were saying 0.99

00:42:48.760 that um if you actually look at the uh covid benefits in the u.s not in canada here we had 0.99

00:42:56.540 serb and the america it was something else um if you look at the amount of money that was given

00:43:02.100 out to companies because you can look up whoever received this money right whoever received like

00:43:06.100 business grants and loans loans specifically they found that all what he did was went to the database

00:43:11.720 and just did a test because he goes up the names of individuals he just typed his name

00:43:16.680 shenequa right he found 20 000 hits for shenequa just that name alone all official quote-unquote

00:43:25.820 businesses all sole proprietorships that employ one person they employ shenequa no evidence of

00:43:33.580 what they do or what they build or what the service is but the names would be like free

00:43:39.160 money llc or wakanda enterprises llc and getting or or hellcat me llc yeah 20 grand 30 grand 40

00:43:51.860 grand um and then every single one of them forgiven and then if you go on black twitter

00:43:58.660 they're talking about this like some of the i saw a bunch of tweets of black people getting 0.79

00:44:02.380 all wispy-eyed talking about man that was the best time to vibe everyone was getting free money 0.56

00:44:08.320 if you were in miami there wasn't a crab leg in the sea everyone just chilling and vibing and i'm 0.92

00:44:14.200 like sorry continue i was gonna say if you ever needed proof that blacks failed the marshmallow 0.86

00:44:19.040 test it's this this exact thing that they we literally they got reparations they got billions

00:44:24.560 of dollars in in uh payroll protection and they spent it all in like a couple of months mostly in

00:44:30.860 miami on crab legs inexpensive liquor and now they're all broke again so like don't stop giving

00:44:36.940 the money yeah but also they can't because that's what the system is now i don't know about you

00:44:42.640 but i got some cert payments i had to pay a lot of it back and there's countless people i know

00:44:48.780 who actually ran businesses who had to pay this money back because it wasn't a grant it wasn't a

00:44:53.560 bursary it was just a loan they loaned you to keep your business running for for a lockdown that they

00:44:59.740 made everyone do and then they made the the most productive people pay back all these individuals

00:45:06.360 open scam artists none of them had to do it because what is the system the system is what 1.00

00:45:11.760 it does the system is to give free money to black morons yeah that's all that's what it does 0.95

00:45:18.700 it doesn't do anything else and just like i'm looking at here's another example pull from the 1.00

00:45:25.660 headlines um you've seen in the news that president biden has been trying to respond

00:45:32.000 to the fracas occurring at the texas mexico border where texas is being the lone gunslinger and

00:45:39.860 putting up just irresponsible amounts of barbed wire as a barbed wire respecter it's like they're

00:45:46.840 trying trying to win a barbed wire putting up contest 1.00

00:45:50.480 and to keep out all these illegal mexicans because the government the federal government 1.00

00:45:58.280 isn't doing it so they said fuck it we'll do it ourselves and all these and they try to crack 0.99

00:46:02.660 down on them and all these other states like sided with texas we have a catastrophe at our southern 0.99

00:46:10.620 border it is because the border has been deliberately opened wide that we see the the terrific horrors

00:46:18.320 that are taking place across our country right now here's a short list from texas to new york

00:46:23.060 waves of illegal immigrants are now overwhelming our community. Just since the time I was elected 0.98

00:46:29.180 Speaker less than 100 days ago, more than 700,000 illegals have been welcomed into our country

00:46:36.660 illegally by the Biden administration. American school children have been forced into virtual

00:46:42.760 schools. Why? So migrants can sleep in their school buildings. Korean War veterans of the U.S.

00:46:49.400 have been booted from nursing homes that were sold to house migrants. Our streets are being 1.00

00:46:55.540 flooded with fentanyl. And the Democratic mayor of Eagle Pass, Texas, says migrants are overrunning

00:47:01.120 his city. This is Texas Governor Greg Abbott holds the line at Shelby Park, where the Biden 0.67

00:47:06.900 administration wants to cut through razor wire placed by state authorities. The cross-country

00:47:12.400 take our border back convoy is waking up in Louisiana this morning, getting ready to hit

00:47:17.060 the road toward texas all in an effort to raise awareness about the crisis at the southern border

00:47:22.440 and what is going on there and side note if you look at the map of the states that were siding

00:47:30.060 with texas they form a diagonal line across america for those who are followers of jeremy

00:47:37.080 mckenzie who we interviewed on the show this is the diagonal movement it was kind of a meme that

00:47:42.420 uh america and canada can be kind of split in a diagonal line with the based states forming this

00:47:49.120 one just by happenstance it turns out that like a lot of the red states and most conservative

00:47:53.720 states form a diagonal line across north america the map of those who are supporting texas is

00:47:59.320 almost exactly that map so that's just a funny thing it is funny anyway but biden of course he

00:48:06.080 does what every politician does and it's the only thing i that i cannot tolerate from politicians i

00:48:12.140 I could get used to lying, but the one thing that sits at the apex of my rage

00:48:16.940 is when politicians say, I would love to do something, but no one lets me.

00:48:21.540 What am I supposed to do?

00:48:22.700 So Biden's like, I would love to secure the border.

00:48:25.360 Just Congress needs to pass it.

00:48:27.460 That bill were the law today.

00:48:29.020 I'd shut down the border right now and fix it quickly. 1.00

00:48:31.700 And Congress needs to get it done. 1.00

00:48:34.520 He's obviously losing his mind, but he's sane enough to spit in my face with that shit. 1.00

00:48:40.320 Don't they have a Democrat majority in Congress? 1.00

00:48:43.180 Am I confused? 1.00

00:48:44.500 It's just bullshit. 1.00

00:48:45.440 Yeah, it doesn't make sense. 1.00

00:48:46.560 Also, you've been the president for almost four years now, you dumb fuck. 1.00

00:48:49.520 And also saying, like, what am I supposed to do? 1.00

00:48:51.460 Secure the border?

00:48:52.920 We need to vote on that.

00:48:53.860 Why do you need to vote on that?

00:48:54.820 Is that my job?

00:48:56.220 Why do you need any vote at all to do this?

00:48:59.300 You got all the stuff.

00:49:00.540 There's a lot of stuff there already.

00:49:02.780 But anyway, so here's a tweet that says,

00:49:06.500 Breaking.

00:49:06.960 This is by Bill Malugan.

00:49:08.800 It kind of summarizes some of the news concerning this.

00:49:12.460 The Senate border deal details per source familiar I just had a call with.

00:49:18.120 So basically, Biden wants to have what he calls a mandatory shutdown.

00:49:23.120 It's like, I'm going to have the power to shut down the border if need be, if it gets overwhelmed.

00:49:28.160 Right. And you're supposed to hear that and clap.

00:49:31.200 But let's look at the details.

00:49:32.660 a mandatory shutdown of border once an average daily migrant encounters hits 5 000 wow so the

00:49:42.460 point is you're allowed to have 5 000 people cross the american border per day and only once he

00:49:48.900 passes that will he install any sort of shutdown happen um some family units will be released with

00:49:57.020 ATD, meaning alternatives to detention, ankle monitors and whatnot. Well, like how many ankle

00:50:02.720 monitors do you have? You're just going to do what you're doing now. Nothing has changed, right?

00:50:07.600 So you have, in short, what I'm trying to say is you have Texas taking the law in its own hands,

00:50:12.140 doing what it should do, but the system isn't designed to secure the border. That's not what

00:50:19.380 this system does. The system is what it does. This current system is to let in as many illegal

00:50:26.300 immigrants as humanly possible with causing the least amount of stress to those at the border

00:50:33.100 it's not to secure the border is to make the boris the the border as porous as possible

00:50:38.860 while causing the fewest amount of headaches to the federal government that is what the system

00:50:43.140 does there's no way to look at this response because the response should be i hear you i hear

00:50:49.640 that you want the border shut down i'm going to do that it's not like okay well let we gotta let

00:50:54.420 5,000 in a day. And that is let them in, by the way. That's not, you know, we're going to direct

00:51:00.700 them to the proper channel. It's like, no, we're literally just going to let 5,000 illegal immigrants 1.00

00:51:05.720 in a day. That's what's tolerable to us. That is the system. And so, and that's, to me, that's why 1.00

00:51:12.900 when you consider what these systems are, don't get caught up in the idealism or the

00:51:17.920 self-reported purpose of the system. It is what it does. The manufacturing, the system in Canada

00:51:23.440 is to prohibit people like you from starting a fucking business if it if it wasn't set up like 0.97

00:51:30.600 that it wouldn't be doing that right exactly exactly so the point is is it doesn't matter 0.98

00:51:36.080 who gets elected there is no political solution and that doesn't mean violence but it does mean

00:51:41.520 that if you want to achieve what we're talking about like if you want to run a competitive

00:51:46.580 industrial concern you cannot obey federal and provincial regulations they are designed

00:51:53.520 specifically to prevent you from building partially because they are influenced by 0.70

00:51:59.340 the chinese partially because they make a lot of money on on import tariffs partially because

00:52:04.460 they're influenced by the americans who do actually build a lot you know like the whole

00:52:08.540 thing with our oil and our wheat a lot and a lot of our of our primary resources get shipped at a

00:52:14.300 discount to the u.s to be processed and sold back to us at a huge markup and this is going on all 0.99

00:52:20.360 over and like who's doing that it's our fucking politicians like again we've said so many times 0.99

00:52:24.940 i think it was john carter or somebody had said this a while back but the canada is not a country 0.99

00:52:29.600 it's a company town you know we're all just workers here and we're we're here to keep the

00:52:35.060 lights on while the rest of the world rapes the natural resources that exist within our borders

00:52:40.140 so i mean that and that that is the way it's been for at least 150 years and the only way it's ever

00:52:46.060 going to change is if we as canadians do something about it it's never gonna you're never gonna elect

00:52:50.660 your way out of this yeah because you can only elect people to maintain that system or in all

00:52:56.280 likelihood accelerate it in the similar direction but maybe change slightly like i i am at a loss

00:53:03.000 for what Pierre Polyev could do to reverse course on this.

00:53:08.340 Even Marine Le Pen, here's a great example.

00:53:10.620 So we've been talking about the AFD in Germany,

00:53:13.300 and we've been talking about this sort of uprising of far-right,

00:53:18.800 maybe even populist, I hesitate to use the word populist,

00:53:21.780 but movements.

00:53:22.980 And Marine Le Pen, famous for many years

00:53:25.360 for being an anti-immigration advocate,

00:53:26.980 was denouncing the afd because afd advocates for not only stopping mass migration but doing mass

00:53:36.140 deportations remigration remi yes remigration of course the far-right anti-migration but like

00:53:43.480 that's too far well why why is that too far that it actually logically follows that if you want to

00:53:49.900 address the problem the problem isn't just mass migration it's migrants being there on mass right

00:53:56.860 If you could have immigration without actually having migrants in the city, there'd be no problem. 0.77

00:54:03.000 The problem isn't the migrants coming. 1.00

00:54:04.960 The problem is the migrants being here. 1.00

00:54:07.500 Yes. 1.00

00:54:07.760 You know, so you have to get rid of them.

00:54:09.940 It's like, we want to stop them, but what do you want to do, send them away?

00:54:12.480 I'm like, yes.

00:54:13.900 What were you talking about?

00:54:16.120 Yeah.

00:54:17.400 But what is your system?

00:54:18.860 Your system is like, we can never get rid of these people.

00:54:22.500 I want a system. 0.99

00:54:23.680 And I don't think of Polyam.

00:54:25.120 I don't even think of Maxime Bernier.

00:54:26.860 is capable of introducing that sort of system.

00:54:29.700 They will only maintain the system

00:54:31.440 because they're still engaging

00:54:33.200 in sort of what Tom McDonald does,

00:54:35.960 which is calling out hypocrisy.

00:54:38.440 When you call it hypocrisy,

00:54:39.980 it's like, oh, isn't it interesting 0.99

00:54:41.140 how you treat black people better than white people? 0.96

00:54:44.680 Hmm, funny how that is. 0.72

00:54:45.940 Like, it's not funny.

00:54:47.620 That's how the system is set up. 0.97

00:54:49.260 The system is set up to be anti-white.

00:54:51.860 You're not going to embarrass them.

00:54:53.520 You call people out when you want to embarrass them

00:54:55.480 because they made a whoopsie-daisy. 0.99

00:54:57.940 They know they're being hypocrites. 1.00

00:54:59.340 They don't fucking care. 1.00

00:55:00.620 And you've been calling them 1.00

00:55:01.600 on a hypocrisy for like a decade now,

00:55:03.920 and nothing's really changed

00:55:05.460 because it wasn't a mistake.

00:55:07.300 It wasn't an oversight

00:55:08.540 that black people got free money 1.00

00:55:11.460 with the laziest company names possible 1.00

00:55:15.040 because the system is set up 0.99

00:55:16.300 to give free money to black people. 0.97

00:55:18.000 That is what the system is. 0.94

00:55:20.700 And to address that system,

00:55:23.600 you can't call hypocrisy on it

00:55:25.020 because they know you need to strike a thesaurus, 0.99

00:55:27.780 which is I want to stop giving money to black people, period. 0.98

00:55:30.760 What part of that are you pissed off at? 0.98

00:55:32.540 Because they'll say, you shouldn't let anyone get the free money.

00:55:35.280 No, no, no, no.

00:55:36.300 Because that's not what the system is. 0.88

00:55:37.620 The system doesn't just give money to lazy people. 0.97

00:55:39.540 It gives money to black people specifically because it's set up. 0.90

00:55:42.780 So if you want to address that, you have to address the specific problem. 0.99

00:55:46.040 Unless you're willing to say that, nothing's going to fucking change. 0.97

00:55:49.020 No. 0.98

00:55:49.340 No half measures.

00:55:50.220 No half measures. 1.00

00:55:51.320 The time has passed for that kind of bullshit. 1.00

00:55:53.280 Pick a fucking side. 1.00

00:55:55.020 and it's it's it's one of these funny things where like if you're not willing especially if 0.99

00:55:58.960 you consider yourself on our side if you're not willing even anonymously to agree that this is 0.99

00:56:04.480 what it is then what the fuck are you doing like just pipe down and go home and just retire man 0.99

00:56:10.180 like you have to be able to at least identify that it like you said the system is what it does 0.99

00:56:16.540 if it is supporting and building and breeding a brown mass to replace you don't make it about 0.99

00:56:22.940 laziness what the fuck is that like you know what this is also like every time you see a white 0.99

00:56:30.720 person was sent to jail for 7 000 years for some thought crime while a brown mass murder you know 1.00

00:56:39.760 one example was like the um james fields getting like 400 years in prison for running over heather 0.97

00:56:45.920 higher in the car during the charlottesville rally then there was that guy the fat black guy 0.98

00:56:50.660 in New York who did the exact same thing, but did it purposefully to kill white people. 0.95

00:56:56.500 The trial is set to begin today for the driver who barreled through crowds in Times Square.

00:57:01.480 This happened five years ago, you may remember. Opening statements are expected in the murder

00:57:06.420 and attempted murder trial of Richard Rojas. An 18-year-old from Michigan was killed and 22

00:57:12.420 others injured. The 31-year-old from the Bronx told police he had been smoking marijuana laced

00:57:17.960 with the hallucinogenic drug PCP before plowing through tourists.

00:57:23.200 This happened back in 2017.

00:57:25.860 He's going to get this treatment that he so desperately needs.

00:57:29.220 Litigation attorney Andrew Lieb explains.

00:57:32.060 Unlike jail, which we look at as a retribution, something to punish someone,

00:57:37.620 the purpose here is to rehabilitate someone and give him the things he needs.

00:57:42.900 Perhaps 10 years, 20 years, whatever it could take, he could be a functioning member of society.

00:57:47.960 And that's what the jury decided. 1.00

00:57:50.300 He literally was, he's a black supremacist who said, I want to kill white people. 0.99

00:57:55.580 And then in prison, in the interviews, he's laughing about it and essentially saying he'd do it again. 0.99

00:58:00.220 And he's not in a mental asylum.

00:58:02.040 He's in a normal prison.

00:58:03.260 And now he's free, right?

00:58:04.200 He's walking free.

00:58:05.420 Yeah.

00:58:05.740 So that is by design.

00:58:07.800 There's no error there. 0.95

00:58:09.200 The reason is because the system is designed by, you know, black judges and black lawyers, like black female judges are probably there. 1.00

00:58:17.260 so what the problem is is you get black people out of being fucking judges like to to you need 0.99

00:58:24.720 to gut this system because the system again is designed to uniquely persecute white people and 0.99

00:58:31.100 you're dealing with a whole groups of people who deny that reality you're never going to convince 0.52

00:58:35.360 them the reality is staring them in the face they think it's funny they're laughing at you

00:58:39.280 because you're complaining but really the system is it's not an error this system is designed to

00:58:44.800 the system isn't broken and that's funny he's like we need somebody who can fix this it's like

00:58:48.860 you're not you're not looking at fixing it you're looking at getting rid of it because it's not

00:58:53.480 broken it is what it does the thing it's doing to you right now it was purpose built for that

00:58:59.360 it's working perfectly it's working overtime actually they're feeding it and they're thrilled 0.93

00:59:04.980 at how well it's working because this is the whole fucking point is to persecute you so why 0.95

00:59:10.100 are you talking about fixing it stop talking about fixing it it's not broken and that then circles 0.97

00:59:14.960 right back to your issue with china like there is manufacturing in canada there's going to be

00:59:20.760 lots of manufacturing in canada it's going to be chinese manufacturing because that is what the

00:59:26.300 system is going to be set up to be because you're asking why is it so hard for you know manufacturers

00:59:31.160 in canada well it's not it's going to be hard for just you it won't be hard for china it won't be

00:59:36.580 hard for you will be amazed at how this system makes allowances for these other groups and not

00:59:42.480 you it's it's a little tangent and i know we brought this up in a previous episode that's

00:59:46.300 kind of why i wanted to touch on it again but there was a they're building a new ev battery

00:59:49.700 plant i think in windsor somewhere in southern ontario and there was a big you know a big

00:59:54.120 fracas about it that it turned out most of the money is going to the south korean firm and not

00:59:59.400 only that but they're bringing in south korean engineers for like the first three years so for 0.89

01:00:03.440 the first three years all of the ground floor staff the fucking truck drivers and the the 0.97

01:00:09.300 janitors will all be quote-unquote canadians which you know in that region means indians 0.96

01:00:13.380 and then the actual high paid staff the engineers the programmers the cnc operators they're all 0.93

01:00:19.100 going to be south koreans and the argument from the confederal government was well look we don't

01:00:24.140 have enough expertise and skill in canada to build this on our own and so we need to bring those other 0.97

01:00:30.140 people in and the fucking conservatives bought this you know and i don't mean the conservative 0.96

01:00:36.460 government but like the conservative line towers in like rebel news and you know globe and mail 0.99

01:00:42.880 we're all like well you know that's fair but i wish there was another way no it's not fucking 0.65

01:00:47.080 fair yeah the reason that we don't have it's not fair well first of all it's a little bit true it

01:00:51.480 is a little bit true like they do have the expertise in building this stuff it's the same

01:00:54.540 thing with the chinese equipment canada's industry has been gutted for decades because of our

01:00:58.320 regulatory regime, right? The point is, is if we don't have enough engineers, then maybe we

01:01:04.240 should be resolving that before we solve a non-existent problem, which is we don't have

01:01:09.180 enough EV batteries. No, we don't have enough fucking engineers. We need engineers. Why don't 0.99

01:01:14.120 you train some Canadian engineers? Why don't you create a regulatory environment that allows for

01:01:20.520 tech startups for Canadians with money and intelligence and skill to start their own EV 0.99

01:01:26.720 companies how do you think the south koreans fucking got it because the south korean government 0.99

01:01:30.680 was careful to take care of south korean industry i don't like the south koreans i hate actually 0.99

01:01:36.840 hate south koreans and i think their government is quite awful but they do do they do a few things 0.61

01:01:41.700 right they to me anyways they enshrined a lot of the industries in south korea that made it great

01:01:47.520 and it became a local industrial superpower because the government made sure to always

01:01:51.600 protect those industries and companies like daewoo that used to build ships transitioned into cars

01:01:56.380 easily because of the way that the government made that easy for them in terms of taxation

01:02:00.140 and regulation like and it's incestuous and corrupt but at the end of the day now that country is an

01:02:05.840 industrial power locally in fact it's an industrial power to the extent that canada is hiring south

01:02:11.160 korean engineers because we don't have enough of them for our ev plant so this is the this is the

01:02:17.120 thing like why can't we why can't you just let us fucking do it and the reason is it's not because 0.79

01:02:23.900 it's broken the conservatives and the liberals are of one mind on this this is just the way it 0.85

01:02:28.280 has to be but it doesn't have to be that way you you listener can go and start your own ev company 0.97

01:02:33.540 you can do it in your garage it's not complicated just don't fucking tell the government just don't 0.85

01:02:39.280 tell them and do not file your taxes and this is just to keep beating this point um i think i might 0.93

01:02:44.720 have mentioned this on that twitter space i was on recently but you know when i apply for a job

01:02:50.300 in my field which is marketing at any agency for the government and for a lot of the big clients

01:02:56.660 part of the application process is to ask me if i'm gay or if i'm a non-white check a box

01:03:04.320 and they have the audacity to say that this will not be used in weighting your application for or

01:03:10.880 again why ask and why of course that's but what they're doing is they don't want me they've

01:03:16.620 communicated that they don't want white men and that's by design now a lot of people are taking

01:03:22.620 it upon themselves you know valiantly to sue these organizations and make them hurt hit them where it

01:03:28.920 hurts and i applaud them however the only issue i could see is that that won't stop them hating me

01:03:37.000 and not wanting to hire me they'll just find another way to do the problem i'm trying to

01:03:40.560 address is that there are people who hate me running things who don't look like me and and

01:03:47.640 they are diametrically opposed to everything i represent with my existence you know what i mean

01:03:52.700 like this this is just one part of the largest system to keep us out there and you're describing

01:03:58.160 one of the manufacturing sector you know it's like and because my entire life from high school

01:04:04.060 up until now i've been hearing that canada is desperate to bring manufacturing back to canada

01:04:09.920 And we have all these loans, all these grants that we give out for anyone who's willing to start a manufacturing company.

01:04:14.820 And yet, there is no, where is it?

01:04:17.840 Because the way the grants are structured, like they just want to say that they are, but they're actually not because the system is designed to not let you, you listeners, start a manufacturing company.

01:04:29.040 The system is designed to keep you busy while they bring in the global manufacturers, which is what they really want. 0.98

01:04:34.820 it's going to take a huge a great rain has to come to wash this shit away because they're just 0.97

01:04:41.600 too brazen about it otherwise it's it's almost the ship of theseus thing where it's like you 0.98

01:04:46.260 could change it incrementally until it's fixed but if the end goal is changing every single piece

01:04:52.920 how is that different from just rebuilding it from scratch i mean it's a distinction

01:04:57.620 without a difference isn't it like my solution i have to be careful about this i am sick after

01:05:04.760 all like we can sue them we can take this to the canadian supreme court what i want is every hr

01:05:14.020 professional to commit suicide as a start i mean that is an unlicensed medical opinion that it's 0.54

01:05:21.540 a look at worst that's an unlicensed medical opinion in this country as i say i think you 1.00

01:05:26.740 should take painkillers well this is a painkiller it's killing the pain in my ass i wish every 1.00

01:05:31.520 Every single person in any political party who has ever worked at Parliament Hill, I wish they signed up for MAID and committed suicide. 1.00

01:05:41.780 The company, the company, the country would be much better off, certainly.

01:05:45.920 I want every HR professional to get licensed medical help.

01:05:51.980 The help they deserve.

01:05:53.540 The help they deserve.

01:05:54.720 And I want us to not have HR people for a couple of years.

01:05:57.820 and then there has to emerge after that time one person who has to re-pitch hr as a profession

01:06:04.680 to the rest of canada because all of them are gone so there has to be like a the one person

01:06:09.780 who wants to do it again and they need to explain to the rest of us what hr is and sell us on it

01:06:16.060 and i bet they fucking can't i bet if there was no hr and there was one salesperson for what the 0.70

01:06:21.000 hr profession is no one would buy that no one would want to install that in their organization 0.97

01:06:26.000 it. Yeah. Can I, can I say, cause we did litigate a lot of this HR stuff in the chat, which is really

01:06:31.740 interesting to me the other day. I don't know if you were there for that. By the way, make sure

01:06:34.880 you're close to the mic if you can. Oh, sorry. We litigated the HR problem in the chat the other

01:06:39.260 day. A whole bunch of guys came in, a whole bunch of different opinions, opinions I'd never heard

01:06:43.280 before. I actually ended up having to research a bunch of this. It was really interesting to me,

01:06:46.620 the history of HR, you know, it used to be called personnel and there's all these different elements

01:06:50.280 of it that kind of got melted together. But there's one thing we didn't talk about in that

01:06:53.160 chat which i was thinking about now it is the government relationship to hr and how it's been

01:06:57.640 built up over the years because like for example um dei initiatives right that doesn't come from

01:07:04.620 your hr department your hr department exists as a reaction to that which is to say if you have or

01:07:12.660 like in canada we have the the the human rights tribunal whatever the fuck it's called if if you

01:07:19.200 have a a an issue with a hire it's a racial issue now there's a human rights tribunal you got to be 0.96

01:07:25.840 careful they'll fucking wreck you that's what you need the hr for right you have hr because you

01:07:31.780 actually do especially in a high-paid corporate environment you need to make sure that you don't 0.98

01:07:36.420 have all of these things happening because your company can fucking sink because of the human

01:07:40.600 rights tribunal this is just one example but again you wouldn't a lot of the the ostensible 0.89

01:07:46.340 functions of HR would be moot if we didn't have a regulatory environment that literally had set up

01:07:53.180 you know laws and threats it's the sword of Damocles hanging over your head right like you

01:07:58.980 have to have defense against this at all times so yeah if we get rid of the of all of you know

01:08:03.320 this regulatory regime that allows people to sue you for the tiniest slight you wouldn't need most

01:08:08.980 HR to begin with you need somebody for scheduling somebody for personnel maybe for hiring there's a

01:08:13.500 whole bunch of features right but yeah i mean it's it all goes back to the government i'm sorry i'm

01:08:18.160 too libertarian but a lot of this just goes back to the government i i do need to maybe walk a

01:08:23.720 couple of these things back because it just occurred to me that some news dropped uh just

01:08:29.480 within the past little while when this airs it might be a couple days in the past

01:08:33.340 i don't know if you've heard about this uh individual named justin moan

01:08:38.100 um this is a man who made a youtube video um you know denouncing and decrying the i'm just

01:08:48.400 going to read what it says here i'm looking at a piece of news police said that the more

01:08:54.320 than 15 minute long youtube video titled moan's militia call to arms for american patriots

01:09:00.800 showed justin moan picking up his father's decapitated head and identifying by name

01:09:06.900 police said it appeared moan was reading from a script as he railed about the government moan

01:09:12.460 referred himself as a militia leader and called his father a traitor to the country for being a

01:09:16.760 federal employee the nearly unspeakable event happened at 7 p.m tuesday when middletown township

01:09:22.980 police were called to the 100 block of upper orchard drive in the levittown section to find

01:09:28.920 the victim 68 year old michael moan decapitated in the downstairs bedroom according to court

01:09:35.160 documents in a nearby bedroom the victim's head was found in a clear plastic bag set in a cooking

01:09:42.380 pot it just makes you aware of you know the issues that are prevalent in our our society

01:09:48.880 that's totally an op though i mean this is happening at the literally a week after they

01:09:55.020 floored a bill in u.s congress like an anti-militia bill but no like they did actually 0.94

01:10:02.360 table a bill and you know like it's the same thing with the uh with the gun rights shit like 0.92

01:10:06.460 every time that they want to put gun legislation through there's a shooting or three you know like 0.94

01:10:11.860 right before or during and sure enough this bill was already in the news cycle i was reading this

01:10:17.940 in end of december early january where they're talking about it it just got tabled i think this

01:10:23.980 week and then today a guy out of nowhere nobody's ever heard of holds up a decapitated head and say 0.92

01:10:31.740 i am a militia leader i killed my father because i hate federal employees i will destroy the

01:10:37.360 federal government uses the word militia frequently you know like multiple times and

01:10:42.740 again is reading from a script like this is honestly not only is this an op this has got

01:10:48.340 to be one of the lowest budget laziest ops that i've seen in a long time like the las vegas killer 0.99

01:10:54.340 the las vegas shooter that was a fucking off that was wild right but this like plastic head in a bag 0.97

01:11:02.840 using all of the keywords like cut right from the bill like come on chuck chuck schumer i can see you 0.98

01:11:09.140 i see you in the closet there you'll do come on could this be the first government op that was

01:11:14.460 written by an ai maybe i think you know what it is this is what happens when government ops are 0.70

01:11:19.760 written by like a tranny somali wheelchair diversity hires this is the six-fingered hand 0.67

01:11:27.600 of such scripts like yeah i can tell like it's the words it's using are unnatural here 0.55

01:11:33.020 um yeah so i figured it was yeah anyway i just wanted to uh we got a bit of an hr tangent there

01:11:41.480 but yeah we uh just to wrap that up yeah the argument was actually made by paul fahrenheit

01:11:45.700 who've had on the show before he was looking carefully at this he's like well hr does a lot

01:11:50.880 of things my argument was prior to hr the jobs of hr were delegated to the department heads or like

01:11:59.700 you say like well hr takes care of like you know people's checks like finance department every 1.00

01:12:04.460 company has like when i worked in small organizations we just had like an old lady as an 1.00

01:12:09.060 accountant i worked in several agencies where there was just like a woman who cut checks she 0.98

01:12:13.560 dealt with payroll that was all she did um because it's a it's a full job deal with all that but it's 1.00

01:12:19.360 like you weren't also in charge she had nothing with hiring and firing she just handled the money

01:12:23.740 and then so you have that and then the hiring firing would be other people but the idea they 0.82

01:12:29.580 have one person who handles all that shit that used to be divided between five different departments

01:12:35.060 and handled more efficiently i'm like it we've done this before was my point right if you go 0.91

01:12:41.300 back in time, like you said, not only were these much simpler, but they were often divided up into

01:12:46.280 like more narrow roles. And there were fewer roles being done because the economy itself was

01:12:51.320 less complex. But I think there's no discrete line between like small business, SME, mega

01:12:57.280 corporation, like there's a sliding scale. And obviously, people in this industry move between

01:13:01.880 them. So there's always going to be a tendency of somebody has come from a larger company or

01:13:05.300 smaller company, they're going to pick up traits from each. So if they came from a company where

01:13:08.940 it was all combined. They're going to kind of drag that into the department at a smaller or

01:13:12.580 larger company. It's always going to blend. And I don't think that's a problem. I think what we're

01:13:16.640 what we went through in the chat, what we're talking about now, where you say you get rid of

01:13:20.260 it completely, level it, start from the beginning. And you as the owner, as the stakeholder who knows

01:13:26.020 better and really is invested in the success of the firm, you can say, here are the list of tasks

01:13:32.300 and we can decide now and live with the decision. We can decide now whether or not these tasks are

01:13:38.560 all done by the same person or whether they're done by different departments it's fine maybe it 0.97

01:13:42.180 won't work out but the point is a lot of that toxic shit is not getting included i don't think 0.92

01:13:46.300 it's a it's not a big deal if the person who cuts the checks is also the same person who hires and 0.93

01:13:52.580 fires that's not the end of the world but what's at the end of the world is if the person who hires

01:13:56.480 and fires also cuts the checks and also does like a month quarterly performance reports and also

01:14:04.920 arranges staff birthday parties and also writes up dei scripts and staff training for sensitivity

01:14:10.940 and also attends global conferences for the w like oh hold on a second where where is this going

01:14:16.500 like if we were the ones in control of it and there was no outside impetus for us to corrupt it

01:14:21.600 then you would have a much cleaner system so yeah speaking of cleaning systems yeah um before we move

01:14:31.480 on to like this book i wanted to cover i did want to have a brief movie corner

01:14:37.000 i saw a movie recently like i said i've been going through a lot of older movies a lot of

01:14:54.480 classics i finally saw the original death wish nice you ever see that one yeah yeah i saw that

01:15:00.880 while there my name is paul kersey how's my life i'm sorry she died a few minutes ago mr kersey

01:15:07.740 any chance of catching these men this chance sure just the chance i'd be less than honest

01:15:16.560 if i gave you more hope mr kersey this is paul kersey this is the story of a man who decided

01:15:24.460 to clean up the most violent town in the world he begins where all the super cops leave off

01:15:38.540 bugging has gone down by how much sir 9 50 a week to 470 you reported last quickly you understand

01:15:47.020 not too many people know that and uh you want to keep it that way huh oh no we have to keep it that

01:15:53.420 way inspector oh yeah okay so do you remember it like do is it fresh in your mind not really i think

01:15:59.620 i saw like maybe seven or eight years ago well that's good because i know some people who watched

01:16:04.000 it as like a kid and maybe this is the mandela effect but i noticed a lot of people remembered

01:16:10.940 it incorrectly because a lot of people were saying that you know you can't make a movie like

01:16:17.040 that these days even though they did do a reboot with bruce willis and that'll be part of what i

01:16:21.760 talk about but they can't make a movie like this and they said you know it was like the last time 0.64

01:16:26.020 you saw like just shooting black criminals and like i'm watching it right now and it's 75 white 0.95

01:16:32.460 criminals um especially even the the criminals early on the ones who commit the the what was it 0.99

01:16:41.220 the rape of his daughter and the murder of his wife well and one of them is actually jeff goldblum 0.96

01:16:46.840 so it's jews and whites um so like not that far off what you would do now but this was a movie

01:16:52.560 made in the 70s the original one 1974 charles bronson who i don't even know what his character's

01:17:00.460 name is in it he's just charles bronson throughout the movie when i watched the movie it's pretty

01:17:06.860 good it's not outstanding then there was actually some things i i didn't like about it um i i think

01:17:15.060 what people like about it is like the premise more so than like the acting because you know

01:17:21.840 charles bronson gives one of the all-time great awful performances in this film um and i let you

01:17:29.620 know nothing nothing wrong with that but you know there's a lot of he just heard that his wife died

01:17:37.780 and he's just standing there with his hands on it

01:17:40.300 and he goes, ah, Christ.

01:17:42.520 Ah, geez.

01:17:43.820 His reaction to his wife dying

01:17:46.160 was the exact same as him on the beach

01:17:49.320 frolicking with her at the beginning of the movie

01:17:52.100 just, like, kind of grimacing.

01:17:56.160 Just grimacing throughout.

01:17:58.000 He doesn't have a second emotion the entire movie, really.

01:18:02.360 And in a way, that's great.

01:18:04.840 Because in a way, like, the story is that

01:18:07.060 it's a cool story um it's a story that might have been done a bit better in the reboot there's a lot

01:18:13.580 i don't like about the bruce willis death wish but the one thing i think it got right if i remember

01:18:19.500 correctly was that charles bronson uh he plays like a lifelong lib a bleeding heart liberal

01:18:27.140 living in new york city and hates guns hates all that and he wants to help the poor and all that 0.99

01:18:34.080 shit and then his life is flip turned upside down when his bunch of home invaders randomly 1.00

01:18:41.760 invade his apartment uh rape his daughter who was with his her mother his wife and then 1.00

01:18:48.520 kill her after beating them up just want an act of violence right and then he rediscovers his 0.99

01:18:57.640 violence streak you know he decides to start taking revenge to clean up the streets very much 0.94

01:19:02.420 a taxi driver thing very much a 1970s type of movie you know it seemed like american cinema

01:19:08.020 was possessed with the fear that new york city would remain new york city forever that's what

01:19:14.380 the warriors was the warriors was like what if this is just the future too and it's just like 0.99

01:19:19.360 you know gangs and headdresses like raping and shit um thank god rudy judy giuliani showed up 0.99

01:19:27.360 and basically they're also obsessed with pretending that it wasn't mostly black people 0.99

01:19:32.640 doing the crime so no we have to have because also there's no asians in any of these movies

01:19:36.340 it is even in new york city like there's a there's a fair amount of asian people in new york city but

01:19:40.680 it's just black and white and like 50 50 in all these movies even like the warriors where it's

01:19:46.740 like mostly black but then even like the the police department of this is half black and 0.81

01:19:51.960 And they go out of the way to show one of the guys smoking a pipe because that means you're smart, right? 0.88

01:19:58.760 But the entire thrust of the movie is that Charles Bronson kind of rediscovers his violent streak, goes out in the streets, and just starts randomly killing people, which is cool.

01:20:10.220 And one thing I liked about the movie is he never catches the people who did these atrocious things to his wife and daughter.

01:20:18.040 They're just not in the movie anymore.

01:20:19.760 so everyone he kills in the movie is just

01:20:22.100 a random criminal

01:20:23.220 and then it just ends

01:20:25.660 but you couldn't

01:20:28.220 do a movie like that now you can't make a movie

01:20:30.080 and that's what the reboot did with Bruce Willis

01:20:32.040 it's like at the end of the movie he has to find

01:20:33.920 the same guys who did the

01:20:35.980 first thing and he needs to take them out

01:20:37.960 but this like

01:20:39.900 you know the 70s were a time when you could

01:20:42.040 tell a story with yeah the bad guys 0.85

01:20:44.000 got away and it sucked and then 0.99

01:20:45.580 he turns into a violent madman and everything's 0.98

01:20:48.160 better like the whole point of the movie is like charles bronson stops being a bleeding heart lib

01:20:54.660 just chooses violence gives war a chance goes in the streets and his life gets immediately better

01:21:01.580 he just he starts smiling again like there's this great scene in it where his uh his son-in-law

01:21:08.960 the son-in-law comes over to visit him and this was the visit him in the apartment that was covered

01:21:14.720 in blood and debris

01:21:16.640 from all the horrible crime

01:21:18.460 because his daughter is now catatonic. 0.99

01:21:21.040 His daughter, having been gang raped, 0.98

01:21:23.160 won't leave the bed, is

01:21:24.480 unresponsive, and he's got that hanging over

01:21:26.720 his head. And then the

01:21:28.560 son-in-law comes over, and Charles Bronson

01:21:30.820 is wearing new bell-bottom

01:21:32.620 jeans, and he's repainted the place. He's got

01:21:34.780 a nice record on.

01:21:37.280 And then the son-in-law's like, what's going on?

01:21:38.680 He's like, what, do you want me to be sad forever?

01:21:42.440 He gets over it fast, and 1.00

01:21:44.560 He gets over it by just shooting black people in the back, 1.00

01:21:49.080 right in the spot. 0.99

01:21:50.200 There's so many times in this movie where he shoots a man as he's fleeing.

01:21:56.320 Like he shoots one guy,

01:21:57.360 the other guy's trying to get away and just goes out of it, 1.00

01:21:59.220 chases him to shoot him in the spine. 0.99

01:22:02.680 And I'm like, 1.00

01:22:03.520 that's what I love about the movie.

01:22:04.620 I love that.

01:22:05.140 It's just unashamed violence.

01:22:06.560 And the story is that he did nothing wrong.

01:22:10.220 And it's,

01:22:10.540 it's cool that he did this.

01:22:12.920 Yeah.

01:22:13.000 It's cool that he went out and just started shooting guys with switchblades and guys were like, yeah.

01:22:19.960 There's two elements about it that I like compared to the new one, which you already mentioned.

01:22:23.940 One of them is the fact that he does seem like, and this is something that's missing from not just the modern version of it, 0.76

01:22:31.220 but all modern films that have like a renegade antihero, like a, fuck, what do you call that?

01:22:38.520 Like a guy, a vigilante, right? 0.56

01:22:40.580 like the vigilante in the modern films is usually like tortured and i'll always be a ghost of shadow

01:22:46.340 of my former self but this is the least i could do like no no he's cool this actually makes up for

01:22:51.200 it i'm good now i'm going to cabo it's awesome but uh also i'm just killing guys in the street 0.99

01:22:57.460 and i'm laughing and so it's like it's so he my life rules now yeah it's like damn my wife is dead 0.97

01:23:05.720 and that sucked but also cleaned up the streets i feel a lot better shot a bunch of guys shot a 0.98

01:23:11.500 bunch of thugs in the back they're dead i honestly i feel great never felt better i mean i love that 0.88

01:23:17.600 like that's the thing that you don't do anymore that they can't but that's almost a moral thing 0.88

01:23:21.540 where it's like well you can take revenge but you're it's never gonna make up for your loss

01:23:25.820 well i don't know i do you know have you tried i'm gonna let's try let's see because i'm maybe 0.56

01:23:31.280 it does i don't fucking know here's what the big disconnect between the original and the more 0.69

01:23:37.520 recent remake was was which is directed i believe written by eli roth starring bruce willis and a 0.79

01:23:41.820 bunch of other people so i think bruce willis might sell that character more because there's

01:23:47.140 one thing i didn't like with this movie only one that stands out it's that charles bronson

01:23:51.460 he has a story a backstory where he used to be really good with a gun he used to go hunting with

01:23:58.220 his dad then his dad died and so he gave up using guns but they had to explain why he's such a good

01:24:03.860 like marksman level shooter and i kind of wish he never had that backstory i wish he was just a

01:24:09.780 lifelong lib and progressive and had to get good at it because you see him build up through the

01:24:14.540 movie right he doesn't start off shooting he starts off with like a sock full of quarters

01:24:18.920 to defend himself and then he kind of builds up to getting a gun and he's in he's in situations

01:24:23.640 where he's not doesn't need to shoot people across the street he's like up close and personal

01:24:26.700 so like i would have liked it if he we didn't need a story where he's already a badass you know

01:24:31.680 shooter he knows how to use a gun right and i think that's what the bruce willis one kind of

01:24:36.920 had where he seemed more uncertain but here's where it goes wrong is that bruce willis he had

01:24:44.060 to be sort of a hero of the people in that movie because there are these scenes where he would

01:24:48.860 watch a news story or hear someone talking about a bad guy in the neighborhood and say i'm gonna go

01:24:54.380 take care of them like batman or something like he becomes a superhero whereas charles bronson

01:24:58.880 he's not doing it for anyone else except for himself he's not trying to avenge anyone in

01:25:04.340 particular arguably he's not even trying to avenge his wife he's not actually hunting down

01:25:10.300 the people who got them he's just finding criminals and and taking it out on them which

01:25:16.420 is more real which is probably a deeper and grimmer story but it's not like i'm gonna be

01:25:21.540 and then you know in the bruce wilson like the news is celebrating him because he's taking down

01:25:25.140 the right kinds of bad guys like no he's just take he's just finding them and shooting them

01:25:29.760 for himself and that's something that i think was captured pretty well by that joker movie

01:25:35.060 because you used to see movies like that in the 70s and they correctly pointed out that joker

01:25:40.060 was an homage to a lot of uh older movies but like the story of joker just being in it for 0.94

01:25:47.180 himself and becoming a populist hero but at the end of the day he doesn't give a shit about any

01:25:51.260 that that just kind of formed around him and he's just on his own selfish journey that's what charles 0.95

01:25:58.260 bronson's on and the tv saying like oh we got a a vigilante in the streets and he hears the news

01:26:03.960 he kind of likes that but he's not taking orders he's not trying to he didn't overhear a black

01:26:09.640 child say like oh my brother was killed by this drug dealer then he goes and finds the drug dealer

01:26:14.120 he would he's more like the punisher because the punisher would shoot a gang leader or a shoplifter

01:26:21.220 equally you know sort of like a dirty harry like he's a dirty harry another character like that

01:26:26.900 where you're meeting crime with violence and the violence is portrayed as being not only acceptable

01:26:33.720 but exciting and cool yeah like you said like that's the story i wish we had a bit more of

01:26:39.720 and i haven't seen any other death wish so i bet it gets more extreme as we go but just this first

01:26:45.040 one i thought and but like the one thing i liked about it also that made it a bit of a more complex

01:26:51.600 movie was his relationship to the western like there's this theme of like old westerns in there

01:26:56.160 like he he goes to like this old western town and watches a show where there's a gunslinger like

01:27:00.800 one of the last scenes is him like wounded and confronting just a random criminal he was chasing

01:27:06.700 and trying to like do a gunslinger duel so like there's like cool themes and within that if you

01:27:13.300 wanted to dissect the movie it's like the modern 1970s man trying to reclaim an earlier america

01:27:20.160 whereas now we're almost trying to reclaim a 1970s vigilante america he was trying to reclaim

01:27:25.760 like an 1800s america of like the man in the white hat so our relationship with charles bronson now

01:27:33.060 I was like, his character is undergoing the same nostalgia

01:27:36.900 and callback to an earlier time.

01:27:39.360 Like I said, it's been a long time since I saw it, 0.96

01:27:41.540 but I remember watching it and thinking that it's fucking cool.

01:27:43.800 I didn't even know at the time that there were more than one. 0.64

01:27:47.380 I don't think I've seen the new one or any of the original sequels

01:27:50.420 because I think there's a whole bunch of them.

01:27:52.300 But I think the reason I watched it the first time

01:27:54.940 was because somebody had said Jeff Goldblum is in it,

01:27:58.260 and I just thought that was...

01:27:59.540 I think it was supposed to be the first Hollywood film he was in. 1.00

01:28:02.500 and he's like a crazy rapist 0.97

01:28:04.460 I love the idea that you watched 0.99

01:28:06.500 the movie because of Jeff Goldblum

01:28:08.120 you know what it was because I went through a kick

01:28:10.560 it's probably close to 10 years

01:28:12.520 I'm thinking about it I went through two kicks

01:28:14.460 one of them was watching old classic sci-fi

01:28:16.280 and the other one was watching like old

01:28:18.360 goofy B movies

01:28:19.860 like this and well they're not B movies

01:28:22.640 but like this type like Dirty Harry and

01:28:24.360 Bullet and stuff like that

01:28:25.420 watching a whole bunch of those and I was just going

01:28:28.420 through and trying to get like the Coles notes

01:28:30.140 who watches these and what's like the story

01:28:32.120 and that was the thing i came back with on this one was like oh this is the first film jeff

01:28:36.960 goldblum was ever in in hollywood i'm like oh wow that's cool i like i like jurassic park

01:28:41.460 all right let's watch this that's so fucking funny another funny thing is i like i'm watching i'm

01:28:49.060 doing the exact same thing every single one of our guys did maybe this is the exact same thing 0.68

01:28:53.260 our parents did or even our grandparents when they saw this movie for the first time because

01:28:57.820 they've all seen it look at the screen going so is he like mexican or portuguese or

01:29:05.820 he looks maybe half asian like what is charles brunson i could like the entire movie like

01:29:13.140 in different scenes i'm like he kind of looks like half japanese maybe he's very wrinkled and

01:29:20.620 leathery but i i think that's not a lot of that's not genetic it's like the the style of dudes in

01:29:29.160 that period you know what i mean well also i'm looking at like younger charles bronson like oh

01:29:35.020 he looks like a completely different guy yeah yeah exactly that's what i mean like he aged like a 0.94

01:29:39.860 fucking uh a pair out in the sun like he's he's fucking grizzled even in his early 40s yeah he 0.87

01:29:46.540 he was born in 1921 so i think every guy just ended up looking hispanic by the time they died 0.98

01:29:52.860 part of it is the mustache the the pattern of his mustache makes him look like a mexican

01:29:58.320 gunslinger but yeah young charles bronson looks like john cena or something hey hey i took a

01:30:04.260 second to look him up his real name is charles bukinski and he's a lithuanian roman catholic

01:30:11.280 so he's a slav or he's a baltic that's why he looks like that if you think about it he does

01:30:15.940 he looks like almost russian a he does but also i like that roman catholic used to be a race

01:30:20.740 and he's from he's like he he was the 11th of 15 children and he was up in the mountains of

01:30:28.520 pennsylvania so he's like a i that's not i'm not a hillbilly what do you call that you call them 0.97

01:30:34.620 like hill people hill he's a hill person so he's he is the guy he is the fucking he's the 11th of 0.97

01:30:40.300 15 children square fucking jaw shooting from the hip and he's in a whole bunch of like i'm just 0.97

01:30:45.320 looking at the filmography, this guy pretty much just did 0.99

01:30:48.680 cop movies, war movies, westerns, and

01:30:53.320 yeah, the stuff he did in the early 60s, he did just look like kind of

01:30:57.260 a 1960s Josh Brolin. But that's a good lead

01:31:01.320 into our next topic. It's a book I read recently, and

01:31:05.280 it's from the era that this movie was filmed and takes place

01:31:09.260 in. I'm not going to spend too, too long on it

01:31:13.080 because I've mentioned it very frequently recently.

01:31:17.620 Like I mentioned it when I was on the last Prudentialist episode,

01:31:20.520 which I believe will be in this episode as well.

01:31:23.200 I mentioned it when I was on an interview with Meta Prime,

01:31:26.140 which I believe is just airing right around now.

01:31:29.800 That'll be included in our next episode.

01:31:33.060 But it's this book, just to get ahead of it,

01:31:36.060 it's called Decadence by Jim Haugen.

01:31:38.720 And this book was mailed to us similar to the, you know, King's ransom worth of cheese we received from another friend of the show.

01:31:48.800 This was sent a hard copy, hardcover copy to our P.O. Box by our friend of the show, Pan European.

01:31:58.440 Great guy. His avatar is a pan. 0.83

01:32:02.240 and he really wanted us to review this book

01:32:06.140 because he had said this book,

01:32:07.460 he read it a while ago

01:32:08.840 and it meant a lot to him

01:32:09.940 and it was high praise

01:32:12.080 and I didn't know what to expect going into it

01:32:15.160 but I just found the topic so fascinating

01:32:17.440 and I think it's really

01:32:19.900 not only illuminating of the time

01:32:23.040 but it was written in

01:32:24.760 but also of everything we're going through

01:32:26.840 politically right now.

01:32:28.800 So this is a book written by Jim Haugen

01:32:30.140 who is an investigative reporter

01:32:31.940 who talks a lot about the counterculture movement of the 70s and the 60s and hippie culture and just

01:32:38.240 that era of american history which we talk about a lot we've talked about in some respects in the

01:32:44.100 past with days of rage by brian burroughs and everyone kind of has an idea of what the 60s

01:32:52.540 and the 70s were like the counterculture movement this would have been the boomers social revolution

01:32:57.540 right so this book was about that counterculture um what happened to it why it did or did not

01:33:06.800 succeed you know Hunter S. Thompson spoke of something very similar we talked about in Fear

01:33:11.640 Loathing in Las Vegas the high watermark of the hippie movement the moment it stopped being cool

01:33:17.240 and turned into this ugly decrepit thing people will kind of talk about that transition from peace

01:33:23.160 and love into cocaine and some people say the manson murders had something to do with it there's

01:33:28.700 all these theories about why that social revolution fell apart and i've talked to a lot of people some

01:33:35.720 people have heard what we've said about the book and they push back on it because everyone has

01:33:40.560 their idea of what the counterculture was and this reframes the counterculture movement as

01:33:45.600 something that i don't think a lot of people have heard of i certainly hadn't heard of it until i

01:33:49.400 read it um so he starts off by saying that the counterculture of the 60s was a manifestation

01:33:58.380 in the most divided generation the world had seen based on social anxieties the counterculture

01:34:05.300 itself was a myth of liberal intellectuals however the basis of the belief of the counterculture

01:34:11.880 was that the world is about to end or that a massive paradigm shift is about to occur and

01:34:17.040 This is sort of that age of Aquarius stuff.

01:34:19.760 This belief survived the counterculture as the generation became cynical.

01:34:25.140 So he actually compares that generation struggle to the beat generation.

01:34:30.020 The previous social phenomena, the social revolution would have been the beat generation, you know, the Allen Ginsbergs and whatnot.

01:34:37.980 And he said, this didn't grow out of that.

01:34:40.680 The beat generation was a very distinct thing.

01:34:43.180 And he said the fear of the Beats and the Bohemians was that America would kind of stay the same forever. They were very cynical. They were very nihilistic in that sense. Whereas the counterculture revolutionaries that follow them, they believe that everything was about to change.

01:35:00.680 There was some massive paradigm shift on the horizon that is up to the youth to shepherd in, right?

01:35:08.940 And that actually took a form in a lot of different social revolutions.

01:35:12.960 So the real, the core of the book is about how when a lot of people think about this revolution, the counterculture, they think leftism.

01:35:23.300 They think communism.

01:35:25.080 They think the protests against the Vietnam War.

01:35:28.240 um what he says is the counterculture revolution was actually a massive decentralized movement

01:35:35.220 of a lot of different sort of sub groups and sub revolutions so so what was the counterculture

01:35:40.980 revolution well on one hand it was like this interest in eastern mysticism with the i ching

01:35:46.760 and other we talked about that we discussed uh seraphim rose um orthodoxy and the religion of

01:35:53.060 the future about how like around this time you saw a massive importing of eastern religions and

01:36:00.180 shamans and gurus and yoga and that's where all that stuff came from so there's a fascination

01:36:05.620 with that but then there's also lsd that's completely unrelated but the lsd generation

01:36:12.220 was percolating up and lsd was a mind-bending new way of looking at the world and then also

01:36:17.100 there's the music but then also there seemed to be just a general youth rebellion against

01:36:24.140 technology because what he noticed was the same sort of counter-revolution was happening all over

01:36:31.120 the world it was happening in japan it was happening in south america it was happening

01:36:35.120 in europe it was happening in a lot of places and it wasn't just because they were copying america

01:36:39.960 it seemed that the same sort of generational angst and anxiety was bubbling up but in different

01:36:46.040 forms in this one generation um and then what the left did later on is what the left always does

01:36:55.240 it sees this you know cornucopia of marginal groups and tried to sweep them into its thing

01:37:02.860 and it's the same thing the left is doing now and that is one of the reasons why it died eventually

01:37:08.560 um the best parallel i can give and i always forget to give this example um an example of

01:37:14.720 the left doing this would be the occupy wall street movement think back to what that was

01:37:19.760 there's a lot of people listening who probably remember how that started and how that ended if

01:37:23.880 you're too young maybe you don't but i'll refresh your memory so the occupy wall street movement

01:37:28.540 was a decentralized sort of populist it cut through a lot of different political groups like

01:37:37.380 you saw leftists in there you saw anarchists in there you saw a lot of right-wing guys in there

01:37:41.580 protesting the banks responsible for the great recession you know the financial collapse that

01:37:48.600 happened in the early 2000s and it was singularly focused it was what it started off was was people

01:37:55.820 camping out on wall street and trying to hold these bankers to account because no one was going

01:38:00.740 to jail everyone was bailed out nothing they wanted heads on sticks and you know maybe not

01:38:07.560 literally, but also maybe literally. But then over time, and I watched this happen, a lot of us did

01:38:13.160 over the course of months, you saw the leftists get involved. And all of a sudden, it became about

01:38:18.940 the progressive stack. All of a sudden, it became about gay rights. It became about the precursor

01:38:24.920 to Black Lives Matter. It became about everything you're familiar with. The leftists did what they

01:38:29.800 always do, which is put fat black women at the front and make that the main thing. It stopped 0.99

01:38:36.300 being about economics and stopped being about what it was and that's how it died that's why

01:38:41.620 occupy wall street never really went anywhere so one of the big things that happens is the left

01:38:45.900 co-ops all these movements and just grabs it hold it and tries to hold them all together and it

01:38:51.060 kills them in the process um but the argument was that the counter revolution counter culture

01:38:57.240 was just this up as populist upheaval that took a lot of different forms and it wasn't just allowed

01:39:03.880 too mature however what he points out i'm kind of getting ahead of myself here but what he point

01:39:10.380 i've discussed this on the other episodes what he points out is if the counterculture revolution of

01:39:15.700 the 60s is almost beat for beat and line for line what we're doing right now in this thing called

01:39:21.440 the dissident right up to and including getting into weird esoteric literature and how that

01:39:27.380 movement sort of progressed from mysticism and esoteric stuff to practical technique and how if

01:39:35.020 you look at how the hippie movement was starting to fall evolve into not fall apart yet but evolve

01:39:40.540 into was they were all talking about getting compounds and going into the woods and building

01:39:46.520 parallel societies and like they talked about lsd the same way we talk about dmt now like the

01:39:53.280 almost the exact same evolution was happening in opportunity including creating parallel societies

01:39:58.040 so it was very interesting to me look this like okay where did they go wrong what can we learn

01:40:03.380 from that and i'll get to that in a second but that's something that when people think of the

01:40:08.320 counterculture they don't really think of that like we're doing something different well what

01:40:11.420 we're doing isn't entirely different um and the boomers at that time they too saw themselves as

01:40:17.320 an extremely angst ridden anxious young vibrant generation trying to reclaim something through

01:40:24.840 nostalgia because nostalgia is um he makes a claim in the book that nostalgia is the inverse

01:40:33.880 of millennia he uses a weird word here it's like millennia millennarian millennarianism which is

01:40:40.580 like millenarian is it or millenarian yeah it's a millennarian but not arian like you're thinking

01:40:47.880 it's spelled but millennarian um and it's like the the belief of sort of we're leading we're on a

01:40:56.020 destination for collapse but also you're intensely nostalgic about the past and he makes a point it's

01:41:03.140 like you know all that is is a fixation on every time except the present is it is it is a fixation

01:41:09.740 on a coming fundamental transformation of society yeah is that the okay it is and it's so weird the

01:41:15.940 way it's spelled it's millenarianism millenarianism that's such like it millennial millennium because

01:41:24.720 i want to call it millennium it's got the mill in there because it's meant to containing a thousand

01:41:30.460 like the source of it is it it's like a thousand years or a thousand ages or something it's supposed

01:41:35.700 to be like the end of a thousand ages or something it's like the end of everything so it's a millen

01:41:40.120 millenarianism fuck english and just to build the base here what he's talking about with

01:41:45.620 millennia and he says um formerly millenarian uh doomsaying was the province of priests 0.97

01:41:52.260 but they've become replaced by scientists who explain a myriad of ways that the world will end

01:41:57.560 the priests of this kind emerged in the middle ages and that's one of the points he makes in the

01:42:01.420 book that we've seen this phenomenon before going back through at least european history

01:42:06.860 um the the priests of this kind emerged in the middle ages after the mass movement of serfs

01:42:12.780 to the city under mercantilism thrusting them into a new highly competitive and atomized world

01:42:19.140 cultures are forced together families shattered sound familiar this caused a rise in fringe

01:42:25.080 religious sects selling spiritual anarchism and revolutionary millenniarism which is duplicated

01:42:31.160 presently so he's saying that this is a phenomena of gurus and saviors and crazy ideologies usually

01:42:39.880 in response to some kind of social upheaval driven by either politics or technology or some

01:42:46.440 kind of mass migration something that's out of their control um oftentimes the shattering of

01:42:52.440 kin networks is another way we could put it um he tries to explain like what the cause of this

01:42:59.000 modern anxiety and angst is and he describes it in a way that i think a lot of people

01:43:03.340 will like but i'll just kind of quote him here he says the popularity of technique over substance

01:43:11.180 in the mechanical age means that deeper questions are made into simple glitches

01:43:16.440 in the march of inevitable progress this gives birth to a new sort of managerial class

01:43:22.760 the blue and white collars merging into a gray neckerchief where employment is all created by

01:43:28.560 the proliferation of complex technique instead of the tasks themselves so this would be the

01:43:33.420 managerial class this would also be living in advanced society and increased specialization

01:43:37.920 of tasks and the idea that you need to master more legalese you need to master more bureaucracy

01:43:45.180 just to exist in this system and the more you master these techniques of existing the more

01:43:51.700 you separate yourself from the actual task you want to be doing and you kind of lose control

01:43:56.520 You lose the essence of why you're doing what you're doing.

01:43:59.760 And people probably feel this if they work in a white-collar job and you sit back and realize, wow, my entire job is just sending emails and going to meetings.

01:44:09.340 There's a lot of people who have that experience.

01:44:12.540 It's hard for them to place what it is that they do that has a measurable impact on society.

01:44:18.200 They just know they're a cog in this great machine, a machine of such a scale that you can't even see the edges of it.

01:44:26.520 He says, techniques have a long memory and never go away on their own, increasing in complexity and symbiotic relationship. And we were just talking about HR, like HR, that the creation of that role creates increasing complexity in every organization and complexity breeds more complexity.

01:44:44.600 So the conflict between technique in a rational, secular society versus substance of a more traditional society, it grows exponentially.

01:44:56.420 And that's why when people exist in that system, they feel so separate from the real meaning of what it is they're doing.

01:45:03.280 And he says techniques are actually capital itself.

01:45:06.360 You can forego them purposefully, but society is based around their mastery.

01:45:10.840 it is the desire for increased efficiency and progress without an endpoint which results in

01:45:17.340 increasing specialization and increasing complexity because technique is rational in

01:45:22.880 nature is never created or controlled by anyone in particular they only seem to give birth to it

01:45:28.860 as midwives so it's easy it's meaningless to speak of human control when technological or

01:45:34.380 technical innovation is concerned. And, you know, I read that and it reminded me of when we discussed

01:45:40.660 the recent book, Neurotechnology and National Security and Defense. We're talking about any

01:45:47.120 technological development. When I hear people talk about developing neurotechnology or any

01:45:52.760 sort of technology or even dangerous diseases, there's this idea that, well, if we don't develop

01:45:57.700 it, someone else will, right? Well, if we don't develop these and get ahead of these viruses and

01:46:03.060 master these viruses any any concoction that our minds can come up with then the chinese will do 0.99

01:46:09.320 it the russians will do it someone will do it so we we almost as if it is going to be just the idea 0.73

01:46:14.320 that something will be discovered no matter what i think even uh nasem talib he talks of nicholas

01:46:21.840 nasem talib he talks about sort of black box technologies you kind of spatialize the whole

01:46:27.680 field of discovery like there's certain technologies that are bound to be discovered eventually no

01:46:32.460 matter what but that almost removes human agency from it like you can't choose not to discover

01:46:38.180 something because it will just get discovered you seem to be one that discovers it but that's

01:46:42.840 an interesting phenomenon because that means that everything's out of your control and he's talking

01:46:48.800 about how that feeling right there the the feeling that you have zero control over the course of

01:46:55.500 society is what makes humans feel this sort of existential angst and he's making the case that

01:47:01.520 this is what people were feeling in the 60s and 70s it was dawning on them post-industrial

01:47:07.580 revolution you know we've gotten used to living in a mechanized specialized society but we got

01:47:13.160 this sense suddenly like McLuhan would describe this like we've extended our senses and we've

01:47:18.740 numbed ourselves but we just got like a flash of awareness like oh my god I have no control I don't

01:47:22.860 know where this is going I have no control how the fuck did I get here and that inspired this

01:47:27.860 generation and it's very distinct this generation this counterculture generation that's what inspired

01:47:33.240 them to get hyper nostalgic get into obsessed with old america old teachings old anything

01:47:39.460 esoteric very similar to what we're feeling now if anyone hears echoes in here that's because it's 0.77

01:47:45.400 the exact same shit we're talking about right now except it's internet except it's hyper reality

01:47:50.220 except it's that times 10 it just kept going right yeah um he says here an example of this 0.98

01:47:59.840 would be the automobile which revolutionized society from annihilating the relationship of

01:48:05.280 the farmer with the land to creating the suburbs essentially destroying urban living and and how

01:48:11.960 technical innovation breaks from control of the creator immediately so we neither create nor

01:48:17.460 control innovation like you know once no the man who invented the car had no idea how the car would

01:48:23.780 be used how it used to like disrupt so much of society it was just taken on this wave out of his

01:48:30.480 control and it wouldn't really matter who invented the car it wouldn't matter because they couldn't

01:48:34.340 have stopped it they couldn't have stopped the the development of high eight lane highways

01:48:40.320 completely severing the you know where people used to live in urban centers right

01:48:45.540 um he says as techniques multiply humans are presented with a multitude of decisions rather

01:48:52.780 than choices they lose control over their means and ends our possibilities increase but not our 0.98

01:48:59.380 freedom we're at the mercy of machine and technique itself the same way an indian is at the mercy of 0.98

01:49:05.460 nature division of labor and specialization grants an individual as much power as a tribesman has 0.92

01:49:11.680 against his environment so any point out here boomers embracing the counterculture were

01:49:19.000 returning to primitivism and rural handicrafts that was big at the time these attempts to stand

01:49:24.140 outside of or reject modern technique eventually fail uh which is what we talk about all the time

01:49:30.100 like you know if just retreating into the woods live in your shack that's not going to stop

01:49:33.580 anything that's not going to help anyone um they're having the exact same conversations back

01:49:38.120 them the only way out is to completely isolate oneself and remove themselves from competition

01:49:43.220 and so you can't even interface with the culture like the only way to live outside of this is to

01:49:47.900 make yourself essentially dead but you can't rebel against it by removing yourself

01:49:52.780 he says here's a coin like this a technician is a man whose mind has been raped by rationality

01:50:02.540 It cannot identify problems existing outside of the technique, but it cannot address any of the current problems manifest in society.

01:50:12.920 He actually goes back in time here.

01:50:15.760 I'm dealing with a hardcover book, so you have to give me a second.

01:50:19.340 He's got a line here showing the history of this sort of thing.

01:50:23.260 he says as i indicated in chapter one the counterculture factions of the 1960s conform

01:50:30.640 in extraordinary detail with the criteria which historians use to identify revolutionary

01:50:36.020 millennarian sects those sects emerge in areas and situations whose characteristics

01:50:41.420 were virtually uniform when overpopulation occurred in conjunction with rapid economic

01:50:47.280 and social change the foundations for millennarian upheaval were laid in europe the plague served as

01:50:55.920 just such a catalyst it struck indiscriminately and its nature was such that as fact or threat

01:51:01.080 nothing could be done about it when the social and economic turbulence of an age is italicized

01:51:07.160 by such a catastrophe people of all classes gravitate towards membership in millennarian

01:51:12.780 groups those groups whose task is nothing less than the transformation of the world have always

01:51:18.420 tended to be hierarchical elites with a holy figure prophet or deity at the top and the initiates

01:51:24.340 gathered at his feet there's little doctrinal variation almost all hold that after a period

01:51:30.480 of blood and slaughter war plague and famine an egalitarian utopia will be established to last

01:51:36.960 a thousand years or more um he points to like the end of the counterculture as the end of the

01:51:45.640 military draft a lot of people would put it around the same time after the protests and the political

01:51:51.060 upheavals ended the draft and during the vietnam war um that's the end point he argues that the

01:51:57.320 decay actually set in long before that and he credits that to the left hijacking it but also

01:52:03.740 there's another reason he talks about there's two main reasons why the counterculture

01:52:08.660 failed i don't even want to say fail because i'll get to that in a second but why it just

01:52:13.600 went away and a lot of people gave their reasons like because i talked to a lot of people about

01:52:18.140 this because i like this book like what happened to the counterculture and they would say well

01:52:22.000 they all got jobs maybe that has something to do with it but i don't think employment

01:52:27.540 had much to do with it um you could say maybe they aged out of it but they'll be like oh they

01:52:32.360 sold out i don't know about that i say well they got everything they wanted you know they got the

01:52:38.000 end of the draft yeah that was that only came in at the end this was a big social upheaval

01:52:42.820 and it there's no one cause i don't think um part of it was the left hijacking and just

01:52:51.000 ruining that organic nature another one and this is why i think it's still relevant because the

01:52:57.820 left is still doing this we haven't really dealt with that very well the second is that it found

01:53:05.220 itself almost immediately adopted by the mainstream culture as well so as the counterculture was

01:53:11.940 occurring you start seeing it represented in movies and in music and in magazines and in so

01:53:18.940 many ways people kind of got sick of seeing themselves they just got sick of hearing their

01:53:24.640 own words said back to them um almost just looking in the mirror constantly and that's actually

01:53:29.620 something i think we still deal with now that whatever counterculture movement we have going

01:53:34.740 on right now we're not really prepared for it being adopted by the mainstream in any way or

01:53:40.340 taking an interest in us and feeding it back to us that just kills our interest in it we see this

01:53:45.640 happen even in a more accelerated fashion now like the moment one of our talking points is even

01:53:51.100 adopted by a mainstream uh talking hat or pundit we abandon it immediately we're just sick of

01:53:57.120 seeing ourselves it feels narcissistic in a way so that's that almost kills it because i'm also

01:54:02.220 reminded of the idea of the superstructure and we discovered this when we talked about

01:54:08.420 louise althusser in his book on ideology and there's it's a very marxist book but i think

01:54:15.340 there's a lot of truth in it when he had said that the superstructure is what we might know

01:54:19.440 as the system it is some people might even know it as the overton window it is the entire like

01:54:26.760 scaffolding of what is acceptable in society basically he's saying that anything that truly

01:54:32.220 threatens society or the status quo is stamped out and so if there is a rebellion in society 1.00

01:54:39.580 if there is any sort of revolutionary act it is because it's permitted by society like black lives 0.90

01:54:44.800 matter. That's a great example. That's a total social people. Why is that permitted by the

01:54:49.920 government, by the cops, by the media? Because for whatever reason, they actually didn't see it as an

01:54:56.940 existential threat to their system. However, you can tell when it does see an existential threat

01:55:02.780 to the system because it stamps it out with great efficiency, or at least moderate efficiency.

01:55:07.860 They're trying to do that to the January 6th people, but they're not doing a very good job at

01:55:10.900 it but there is like an acceptable level of counterculture in society um and so it's not

01:55:19.280 really revolutionary if the if it is co-opted by the system itself and there's a lot to be said

01:55:25.180 that maybe that's what happened here um and i don't think we've really solved for that we don't

01:55:31.300 we don't know what that will make us inert very fast those two things

01:55:35.080 he says right here what also killed the counterculture was the narcissism imposed

01:55:42.460 by the media forcing the upheaval to behold and copy itself thereby becoming a simulacra

01:55:48.000 immediately it was forced into commoditization this will tenfold affect future dissident movements

01:55:55.840 what happened here in my opinion of the counterculture isn't even necessarily that

01:56:01.820 it failed or went away and this is perhaps a more when i explained this to pan european the man who

01:56:08.400 gave me this book he said this was probably the most black pilling interpretation but it ties

01:56:13.500 into the superstructure a theory that i was just saying was that none of the social subgroups or

01:56:21.520 the the movements within the counterculture actually did go away they were all just absorbed

01:56:26.400 by the mainstream culture acid didn't go away lsd lsd was supposed to unlock consciousness we talk

01:56:33.120 about it the same we talk about dmt now it's supposed to it's a mind-bending experience that

01:56:37.160 exposes you to machine elves and other dimensions of being um and now that is just something that

01:56:44.320 tech ceos microdosed to attend meetings better did bell-bottom jeans go away not really did the

01:56:52.340 music go away not really did our interest in eastern religions go away not really now yoga

01:56:58.420 is just something you know moms do you know my thing is the counterculture didn't actually go

01:57:04.540 away it was it's still with us every single aspect of it in fact that is how you get a steve jobs

01:57:10.660 that is how you get jeans in the office and sneakers those are the same people that's that

01:57:16.640 exact same generation they took it in one and it was just adopted in the system water down and

01:57:22.200 co-opted and integrated back into the system like folded back into it that is how you get

01:57:26.960 steve jobs wearing denim and sneakers and a turtleneck as a ceo and founder giving a powerpoint

01:57:33.120 presentation where each slide is gandhi martin luther king nelson manuel all these heroes of the

01:57:41.100 counterculture it's there and i think that is we're not prepared for that we're not prepared

01:57:46.140 for the commoditization of our revolution i i really don't think we are i don't think they're

01:57:52.300 we're ready for like when the mainstream just takes all of our talking points it takes like

01:57:56.560 the great replacement and commoditizes that and just removes it of all its teeth and it and we

01:58:03.160 quote unquote win we actually get into the mainstream society and then we're nothing

01:58:09.220 really changes um and again i don't know what specifically to do about that when he

01:58:15.060 kind of goes into it, and this is where he gets in the title of the book, Decadence. What does he

01:58:20.240 mean by decadence? Because when you hear decadence, you probably think of, you know, a spoiled boy

01:58:25.560 prince eating chocolate upon chocolate, right? Ordering slaves to fight each other. That's not

01:58:31.200 decadence. Decadence is our response to cultural decline. Decadence is a self-consciousness taken

01:58:39.200 into a pathological extreme, a narcissistic awareness that shakes the relationship with

01:58:45.160 self. Now, for younger listeners, you might know this as being meta. You see this a lot in our

01:58:52.920 spaces where everything is analyzed and analyzed again and repackaged. Every meme is dissected

01:58:58.920 and compared to history and esoteric teachings. Our self-awareness in Western society is to such

01:59:07.780 a degree that we we don't know how to exist unless we're also standing outside of ourselves and i'm

01:59:12.980 just as blamed for this as anyone as are you i'm going to recount the story he told us i said this

01:59:18.940 on other interviews so people forgive me they're tired of hearing it but of the author jim haugen

01:59:24.180 he mentioned an anecdote where he was tired of living in america he had to get out you know so

01:59:29.500 he goes to ibiza he goes to an island and back in the 70s ibiza wasn't just a place where saudi

01:59:36.520 princes spend a million dollars to pee on you know whatever it is they want to pee on this was just

01:59:42.240 like an island paradise and he went there and he was like no one has phones here there's no

01:59:46.460 technology here it's real getaway and you would think that without technology or connection to

01:59:51.800 the outside world or global events it would be boring but no it's it's fascinating everyone is

01:59:57.120 crackling with electricity and discussions and interaction and at night you could see the stars 0.68

02:00:03.460 all that shit but he said you know as a western man i felt at odds with this whole experience like 0.84

02:00:08.780 i i was raised in decadence i was raised i don't know how to exist in a culture that is not always 0.99

02:00:14.920 analyzing itself and if you think about our news media like how much of our news media is talking

02:00:21.460 about the news media itself how much of our culture is cultural analysis we live in a

02:00:28.020 metaculture we live in a culture that's always it's too self-aware and what's worse is when

02:00:35.000 you're raised up on that you don't know how to exist without doing that you don't even know how 0.97

02:00:38.320 to be a fucking person anymore without psychoanalyzing yourself he says that's what decadence 0.98

02:00:43.060 is he says once a culture declines and collapses this is what happens when a culture declines and 0.99

02:00:49.740 collapses as does our shared consciousness um he says and this is what i was talking about an

02:00:56.780 American expatriate in another land feels

02:00:58.820 tense after a lifetime of 0.91

02:01:00.860 accumulating tactics of decadence

02:01:03.240 like a soldier in between

02:01:05.080 wars.

02:01:09.200 Here's just a line here that kind of summarizes

02:01:11.200 it. It says, totalitarianism

02:01:12.900 will arrive in America through delegation

02:01:15.400 granted to the administrative state

02:01:17.460 through a succession of crises

02:01:19.200 that result in permanent

02:01:21.440 metacrisis rather than arrived

02:01:23.520 at through deliberation or willed by

02:01:25.320 the people it will be seen as a logical response to extreme circumstances each time think covet

02:01:31.560 all politics can affect is a change in management it can never solve or reverse the problem like

02:01:38.720 frankenstein's monster taking over the laboratory he can reproduce the problem to his benefit but 0.99

02:01:44.860 never address the deeper problem of his own creation and existence that was like a fucking 0.95

02:01:50.920 thunderbolt hit in my head i'm like jesus christ that that just even that imagery was like yeah i 0.87

02:01:56.400 can i can i can take over the controls of the machine that produce this existential malaise but

02:02:02.000 i can't really unless i tear it down in a sense he says a revolutionary must become an enemy of

02:02:09.500 the people an accelerationist that attempts to destroy or weaken the economic system that keeps

02:02:15.120 people so docile this will allow the real revolution that we need of making technology

02:02:20.700 subservient to the people rather than the other way around so this isn't an anarcho-permitivist

02:02:25.480 guy this isn't a ted kaczynski guy this isn't like we need to smash the machines and go back

02:02:30.320 he's just saying we need to make the machines subservient to us whereas right now it's the

02:02:35.640 complete inverse we are just we are reproductive organs of machines and if you remember when i

02:02:42.180 spoke to jeff garebi and we discussed his book the revolutionary phenotype that's a really extreme

02:02:47.840 example of where the human body the human reproductive system can become simply a

02:02:54.400 reproductive system for some other greater entity it's not just ai that's what people are thinking

02:02:59.840 so i would recommend people go listen to our review of the revolutionary phenotype if you

02:03:03.980 want to hear a worst case scenario of how this can go but to go into more detail about how this could

02:03:09.800 spin out of control very fast um he says neither revolutionaries nor intellectuals will lead people

02:03:17.700 to the sort of broader counter-revolution that people experienced in the 1960s you need a mass

02:03:24.440 refusal you don't need to be organic in nature and a broad rejection of the system from the people

02:03:29.420 rather than just an acute rebellion or a reform movement cloaking itself as a revolution which is

02:03:35.360 but I think we're seeing it a lot of cases.

02:03:40.100 And that's pretty much the last part of the book,

02:03:43.420 saying what he needs to go going forward.

02:03:44.600 Now, again, this was written in the 70s.

02:03:47.840 There's subsequent books that he wrote

02:03:49.420 that I think might have addressed more modern problems,

02:03:52.100 but I think a lot of what he was talking about

02:03:54.080 is extremely relevant right now.

02:03:57.320 Now, what do you think about all that?

02:04:00.420 It's sort of stuff I kind of suspected,

02:04:03.620 And it's interesting to hear that somebody not only had thought about it a long time before, but had put all the pieces together.

02:04:11.100 It's really, it's really cyclical, isn't it?

02:04:13.720 That's wild.

02:04:14.900 It is.

02:04:15.460 And I don't know what to do about it. 0.97

02:04:17.700 And it might sound defeatist or black villain, but I do think, you know, he offers some suggestions near the end of what to do. 0.98

02:04:25.300 But his solution really is decadence, which is echoed by some other people in our scene. 0.98

02:04:30.340 Well, they'll look at what we have going for us, which is irony, which is being so cynical that nothing can get to us.

02:04:38.860 A lot of the things that people would think that our weaknesses in our side might very well be our strengths, he would say run towards that, run towards that meta self-analysis, because that's the only thing we really have going for us.

02:04:52.020 He's basically saying that that decadence can be what shields us from the collapse.

02:04:59.420 interesting i had two ideas because i you'd mentioned this before and i had been thinking

02:05:04.160 about a bit one of them well and somebody i forget the guy but somebody had been talking about this a

02:05:09.200 lot lately pointing out that already our movement is being co-opted by outsiders especially the last

02:05:14.580 couple of months with a lot of the anti-semitism stuff coming in from the outside um one of the

02:05:19.800 things is we should not really be platforming and allowing in people who are just joining now

02:05:27.600 The cutoff point is coming up very soon. It may have already passed where anybody who's been in the movement and has been involved up to this point, they're trustworthy. Anybody who joins after this point or who joins in the near future, it doesn't matter what their priors are. Ignore them. There's no such thing as a good guy who joined in 2025. Everybody who's worthwhile joined last year or before. That's the end of it. No argument. OK, because it's there's too much opportunity for corruption.

02:05:56.020 Another part of it is the thing that I've noticed over the last two years, the distinction between having principles and beliefs and like a concept of morality and having actual goals, because it's easy to co-opt principles and beliefs and sell it as a narrative or as a culture, as something that people can be involved in.

02:06:18.280 but to actually have a goal you know like i mean i'm talking about a real goal like this is a law

02:06:24.120 that we want to have changed this is a building we want to build we want people to talk about

02:06:29.040 creating communities for example sometimes they're talking about the idea of community like we should

02:06:33.700 have a discord server where we all are comfortable talking about anti-semitism no like how about an

02:06:39.040 actual community when i say community i mean i want to have a corner store within a three minute

02:06:45.100 walk from my house that's run by a guy who i know and our kids play together that's what i'm talking

02:06:49.960 about that's an actual physical goal that takes money and physical labor to achieve you can't

02:06:55.320 co-opt that or at least not you can't co-opt it from me because it's what i want and i'm gonna do

02:07:00.160 it now and maybe that's how you get into these guys always wind up going into the woods but i

02:07:07.420 don't think it has to be going into the woods you know it could be uh i don't know i don't know but

02:07:12.540 You have to hold on to it.

02:07:14.460 You made a good point there.

02:07:15.200 Like, I want a community.

02:07:16.860 Okay, what's your community?

02:07:17.840 Well, I want a Discord server or a Telegram chat where I can say whatever I want to say.

02:07:23.040 Okay, well, what do you really want to say?

02:07:24.500 I want to say slurs.

02:07:26.640 Like, okay, but why do you actually want to say slurs?

02:07:30.660 Is it because they are a tool you use for something else because you believe in it?

02:07:35.320 Or do you just like the idea of being a guy who says slurs?

02:07:39.820 You know what I mean?

02:07:40.160 like are you just a is this a fandom or a scene like and that's what we see a lot of a lot of

02:07:45.900 people getting into the right right now it's like i'm just a fan of edgy things i want to be edgy

02:07:50.620 adjacent there's people who like say politically incorrect things because they believe them and

02:07:57.040 want to action them in the real world then there's some people who just like dissident stuff

02:08:01.820 or they like edgy things and that's why they're there so for them their end goal is to just

02:08:07.740 be standing beside edgy people i'm like yeah i don't know what to do with you but that's a

02:08:12.720 different sort of community that's a fandom yeah it like if i could live physically live like

02:08:18.000 locate myself geographically in a community that was isolated from the rest of the world

02:08:22.800 that maybe wasn't rural maybe it had 10 000 people in it but those people were all my

02:08:27.960 brothers in terms of faith and culture and race and we all got along i don't think i'd ever say

02:08:33.300 another slur in my life i think i would be the the perfect white picket neighbor and i that's

02:08:38.640 who i want to be i don't i and i oh i wasn't this guy 15 years ago i don't want to be a mean guy i

02:08:45.920 don't want to i don't want to be a pariah right i want to be happy and be around people who i love

02:08:53.140 and who love me you know so and that's that's the goal and it's never gonna be i said that

02:08:58.620 ironically it's never going to be discord right it has to be it has to be real it has to be

02:09:04.960 in physical space so yeah also it's like i want to my goal is to live in a world where i don't 0.98

02:09:14.960 know any of this gay shit exists but then there's some people who just want to like complain about 0.99

02:09:20.100 gay people my perfect world is i don't know any of this gay terminology that they've implanted in 1.00

02:09:25.580 my head i don't want to know like i had a a former co-worker who is a very meek but flamboyant gay 0.87

02:09:33.240 man and you know he just we had the entire office had each other on instagram and so i got 0.80

02:09:39.720 to see i don't go on instagram that much on my personal account but every so often i'd see him 0.95

02:09:44.980 and it's like him with his fucking partner it's like 600 pounds but every photo they took together 0.97

02:09:52.360 it's like hashtag bear and cub and hashtag fetish shit for them like on the beach walking on the 1.00

02:09:59.880 stones at a store at a fucking totem pole bear and cub like i don't want to know what the fuck 1.00

02:10:05.600 that means i don't want to know what like fag animal shit you've hashtagged i want that i want 1.00

02:10:12.260 to live in a world where that sounds so surreal to me like it sounds random but i actually know 0.99

02:10:17.160 what he means by that i know that anthropomorphic nonsense you know and i want to live in a world

02:10:21.560 I don't know that. That's my goal. It's not to be, you know, there's people who want to start

02:10:26.440 a real life community. Then there's those who want to hang out with the people who want to

02:10:30.840 start in real life communities. Those are kind of the people we're talking about, the edgy adjacent

02:10:34.760 or like the people who are in it because the Overton window has just shifted that they got

02:10:39.800 dragged along with it. You know, I don't, I, you know, those people can be around. I just don't

02:10:45.120 need them because those people will probably stab me in the back. And you can hear these people

02:10:49.700 when they talk you know i was doing something i shouldn't do i was listening to destiny um every

02:10:55.480 so often a clip comes across my desk and he was uh he was actually complaining about a type of

02:11:01.300 person that i've seen before but i didn't know that other people had noticed them the question

02:11:05.200 was like who are the people you hate to debate against the most and he's describing this sort

02:11:09.680 of like leftist progressive person who is like you know coming at him taking a position of being like

02:11:16.200 pro you know trans rights or something like that is like why are you pro trans rights and they

02:11:22.200 speak in this sort of like vocal fry aloof raising your sentence at the end kind of like

02:11:28.360 um because i'm a good person i don't like why do you like okay so why do you believe this um why

02:11:36.940 do you not i mean i just like uh good things and i guess you like bad things like it's it's a

02:11:44.380 combination of morgoth's hatchling thing where you're always acting confused but also acting

02:11:49.860 like it's absurd that you would believe that and like the the naked simplicity of your position

02:11:55.280 should be apparent but you want to debate people like there's that personality that guy i hate that

02:12:01.460 guy but there's like there's our version of that too um anyway this has gone on a bit too long i

02:12:07.340 know we gotta get going so anyway that's great book it's called decans by jim haugen i promise 0.76

02:12:11.880 unless I'm bringing it up in every fucking appearance.

02:12:14.460 No, I mean, at this point, I want to borrow it from you. 0.94

02:12:16.620 When you're done with it, I'd like to read it myself.

02:12:18.440 When you come up this week, I can give it to you.

02:12:20.160 It's actually a nice quality book.

02:12:21.320 It's not the easiest book to find.

02:12:22.560 This is a used copy.

02:12:23.820 You can find it on archive, but it's hard to find this on Amazon.

02:12:28.440 It's even hard to find it on the Library Genesis stuff

02:12:31.800 if you're hunting it out.

02:12:33.720 You can find this other stuff, but not this one.

02:12:35.920 But anyway, that's great.

02:12:37.140 I'll let you go.

02:12:38.820 Good talk.

02:12:39.700 Hey, man, for real.

02:12:40.500 I'll see you.

02:12:41.160 Cheers.

02:12:41.300 Bye.

02:12:41.880 hey baby i hear the blues are calling top salad and scrambled eggs

02:12:48.400 and maybe i seem a bit confused yeah maybe but i got you craig

02:12:55.420 welcome back everyone i hope that you're all doing well joining me today is one of my favorite

02:13:02.440 people to talk to uh really in the entire space just because he and i get along so well but also

02:13:07.420 because he has a tendency to send long voice messages in my telegram chat that are always

02:13:12.940 bangers. But before I get any further, I'm talking today with none other than Dimes,

02:13:18.560 the co-host of the Blood Satellite podcast. How are you, sir?

02:13:21.960 I'm doing very, very well. Thank you so much for having me on. And similarly,

02:13:26.260 you leave long voice messages too, and they're always a treat. And you're one of the few guys

02:13:31.900 that I can talk to about the thing that we're going to talk about on the show, because it's

02:13:35.860 really weird and very few people have like the mind to like find this stuff interesting so hopefully

02:13:40.880 we can uh get a few other people on our wavelength tonight yes i don't want people to think that

02:13:47.760 we're just blowing uh smoke and sending smoke signals up our rear ends like this is some sort

02:13:51.940 of indian circle jerk but what i do want to make people understand this is that this is going to

02:13:56.640 be a rather meta heavy conversation in that um if the title i keep with today's recording which

02:14:05.200 we're recording on january 22nd 2024 it is 7 40 p.m my time when this is being recorded

02:14:10.640 uh the title for it is going to be time and technology featuring dimes and this is a meta

02:14:16.060 conversation because uh dimes has recently tuned me in to a a great canadian scholar by the name of

02:14:24.220 dr harold innis and he wrote quite a few books one of the ones that i am reading is the bias

02:14:29.500 of communication and you had recently gone over on your show i believe it's called communication

02:14:34.400 and empire that's right yeah empire communication um that's the one i read like you said he's an

02:14:39.920 author of a great many but um yeah that was the one i like and i i just want to get to the rest

02:14:45.600 of his stuff too yeah and alongside uh innis we're also probably gonna have a conversation today

02:14:52.300 on the late and great marshall mccluhan so it's really going to be a canadian heavy

02:14:57.100 uh focused discussion this evening but the reason why we're doing this is because

02:15:01.460 i think dimes and i and i think everyone is to some extent fundamentally aware that our sort of

02:15:08.020 online politicking where we all become critics and we're all screaming into this void of screams

02:15:14.480 as i like to call it or we're all taking sort of a digital ayahuasca or dmt i'm just throwing

02:15:19.840 everything out that i like to use with describing this place definitely has neurochemical effects

02:15:26.520 neuroplasticity impact alongside totally altering our perception of time and before carl benjamin

02:15:34.340 you know sargon of akkad like either delisted or or hid away his vast video backlog of him as sargon

02:15:42.300 uh he had this great video up from 2017 called you know what happened at vidcon 2017 and it had

02:15:48.320 the ben garrison commercial or comic of him being yelled at as a garbage human being by anita

02:15:54.060 and every time i look at it i just feel like that much older i'm like this happened 6 000 years ago

02:16:00.280 this is like reading the pictographs of the hieroglyphs in ancient egypt in the valley of

02:16:07.420 the kings and you're like what is this ancient lore and the reason why you feel that way is

02:16:13.900 because you know 2017 is only a little over what it's been seven years and but in our online space

02:16:21.740 it feels like six or seven thousand because of how fast we're constantly plugged in and how fast

02:16:27.420 the quote unquote discourse uh changes topics like this you know for instance i think it was a little

02:16:33.140 over a year and a half ago that and this is no insult to the guy i just know that he uh had this

02:16:38.240 big sort of meltdown of sorts on twitter um ca bond sort of just talking about you know who's on

02:16:44.640 who's taking teal money and things like that and it's just like if you're not plugged into these

02:16:49.360 things. You don't have a complete historiographic picture of what's going on. And that totally

02:16:54.100 alters your perception of time in a way that I don't think a pre-social media world was completely

02:17:01.060 aware of. Even in the early internet days of Usenet or Dial-Up, I don't think we did. So this

02:17:06.540 is a very meta-heavy conversation. But how do you see yourself, Dimes, perceiving time? Or how much

02:17:13.980 do you think it's changed compared to your, to your real life or your, your real job working in

02:17:19.740 marketing advertising? Yes. Thank you. That's a big question. And I got a couple of things I

02:17:24.700 want to say to that. The first is anecdotal. My wife is five years younger than me. And we had

02:17:31.600 a conversation not long ago where she just made some comment like, you remember MySpace? Oh my

02:17:38.120 god and of course myspace was was within her lifetime but it wasn't within her frame of

02:17:44.840 reverence it was like just a couple years older but the fact that i remembered myspace the social 0.90

02:17:49.560 platform there's a lot of listeners right now that might not know what the fuck that is and

02:17:52.940 that's kind of the point the idea that that was a demarcation point even though that was just a type 0.76

02:17:58.120 of social network it was kind of mind-blowing or like there's some people who can remember 9-11

02:18:03.380 and those who don't. But a couple of phenomena I found were interesting. So the first is that

02:18:10.080 Marshall McLuhan, in his book, and I'm not getting ahead of myself, but I'm going to keep

02:18:14.220 this one short. Marshall McLuhan, in his book, which we'll discuss, Understanding Media,

02:18:17.760 Extensions of Man, he talks about the creation of utility time, that up until the Industrial

02:18:23.640 Revolution and up until clocks, basically, which is pre-Industrial Revolution, but around the same

02:18:28.760 time we started conceptualizing the recording of time differently now we always recorded time we

02:18:34.360 always had water clocks in the past we understood you know noon and things like that we had sundials

02:18:39.560 but there was a shift that occurred around the time when we started measuring time with clocks

02:18:44.960 that clocks seemed to be each second or minute or hour it was like a container and it contained

02:18:51.140 work and it contained labor and so you saw a different spatialization of time like a time

02:18:58.040 is a container of things you can do or your day.

02:19:00.080 And it kept breaking down smaller and smaller and smaller.

02:19:03.400 And what I've noticed over time as well

02:19:05.800 is that the way we measure generations

02:19:08.940 is becoming more smaller and more discreet.

02:19:12.520 So even the idea of measuring a generation previously,

02:19:15.660 like the boomers, Gen X, millennials,

02:19:18.280 I think that's around like 20 years.

02:19:20.200 We put a lot of focus on that 0.91

02:19:22.400 to the point where we treat generations

02:19:24.640 like they're different teams that we're a part of.

02:19:26.900 Even though we're just links on the exact same chain, it's like it's millennials versus boomers or boomers versus Gen X.

02:19:34.180 It's a strange way of looking at it. And I don't really like that.

02:19:37.400 But putting that aside, what I found is as the generations have progressed, we've introduced this idea of like an early millennial.

02:19:44.980 I'm a late millennial. This person's an early millennial.

02:19:47.460 We've started fragmenting the generations themselves into like thirds or halves because the profundity in which we're measuring the time is getting smaller and smaller and smaller.

02:19:58.460 And it seems that that's going to keep continuing.

02:20:01.460 And so that's how it's changed over my lifetime.

02:20:06.280 And that's anecdotally with me and my wife.

02:20:08.860 But I think that's a lot of people's shared experience that even within our scene, we talk about how the past five years have been radical. And I think part of that's cultural, part of that's technology. There's a lot of factors at play for why that is. But I think that's probably as good an answer as any. What do you think about that?

02:20:28.840 well like we said before we decided to record it we we also i think understood that this is

02:20:36.120 somewhat of a very western conversation to be having i mean this is very meta this is a very

02:20:41.600 meta textual discussion that i think we're going to try and dive into as well which makes you

02:20:45.880 wonder how many other people are sort of thinking the sort of same stuff but when i want to hear how

02:20:50.960 you describe it you're absolutely right our perception of generation has radically uh you

02:20:55.440 know it's it's become more condensed i i had a conversation not too long ago because my cousin

02:21:01.300 who was born in 2000 uh she just recently got married and she's having a baby soon

02:21:07.660 and my my mother was helping out just sort of helping get the baby shower underway and all

02:21:14.000 that jazz and she was just like there's no gratefulness and she was now she's gen x and

02:21:19.000 she's complaining about sort of zoomer you know lack of gratefulness and she's like are all young

02:21:24.420 people like this? And I said, well, most young people in my own perception view things as 0.91

02:21:30.860 transactional. There's no understanding of charity or doing something out of the goodness of your

02:21:34.820 heart without people expecting for you to pay them back somewhere down the line. And I said,

02:21:41.080 that definitely warps your ability to understand human relations that way. And I said, I don't know

02:21:45.160 when that really started, but I can tell you that that's what I see and what I know. And then she's

02:21:50.260 like well are you like that and i said well no but i was also raised differently but also there's a

02:21:55.960 big five and a half year gap between her and i so i can't even tell you what her growing up was like

02:22:02.860 or how she is like she's on snapchat she's on all these other social media apps that i'm not on and

02:22:07.320 i make it an effort to not really be on a lot outside of what's necessary to run this weird

02:22:11.960 little world that i am as this amphibious uh reactionary individual but outside of that i try

02:22:18.000 not to be on it with my real name or anything i have no existing social media outside of the

02:22:23.160 prudentialist and even then when i'm on here you know we we talk about things in a manner of

02:22:30.460 character arcs we talk about lore and it's partially i think due to sort of like the

02:22:34.980 gamification of our of our vocabulary like video games have inferred a sort of linguistic

02:22:41.060 um circumlocution understanding of how we talk about things like oh he's on his like you know

02:22:48.540 like i remember dating somebody and she was like oh i'm on an x kick like oh she's gonna do something 0.99

02:22:52.760 for a little bit and then lose interest or whatever because people do that women especially 0.91

02:22:56.000 but you know when people say they're on an x kick now on twitter or whatever it's like no

02:22:59.860 they're on a character arc they're on they're on this like you know episode they treat their shows

02:23:04.120 like television and seasons for or episodes of certain things like a dlc or a video game

02:23:09.640 expansion pack. And it's just very strange to see how we've allowed our mediums to radically

02:23:16.960 transform our perception of time, but also our sense of self-identification and what we do.

02:23:22.500 And I mean, everyone likes to make the point, for instance, that, oh, there are numerous studies

02:23:26.660 that illustrate that pornography usage, especially online pornography, has that sort of like cocaine

02:23:34.140 addicts habit. It totally warps your neuroplasticity. It hardens it. It makes it very

02:23:39.020 or to break the habit to the point of where like guys can't get it up with their with real life 0.94

02:23:43.920 women and so you know if that's true for like porn usage then god only knows that it's going to be

02:23:49.640 that way for you know enhanced twitter usage or online doom scrolling 24 7 and yeah i think as

02:23:56.880 as mcluhan says it can be an extension or it can be a self-amputation and i think one of the things

02:24:01.980 that mcluhan doesn't talk about in understanding media i think he mentions it in the gutenberg

02:24:06.040 galaxy slightly but it's not so much that it's an amputation but in a postmodern sense it's just

02:24:11.620 de-territorialization from the real space into an existing sort of newosphere i you know meme

02:24:20.460 or whatever like we're all in these different spaces mentally like oh i know that there are

02:24:25.300 like x number of factions in this little space of mine and i know if that if you name one or two of

02:24:30.440 them they're all going to get up and pissy and try and mass report your account or whatever and so

02:24:34.740 then you have to be very careful about how you navigate things and then you let that language

02:24:38.440 slip in real life like good luck explaining to somebody why like taking a lindy walk is something

02:24:43.060 that you do every saturday afternoon right like good luck with that and that's the way that people

02:24:47.040 are in that in this space which i find to be particularly interesting because you see it

02:24:51.680 elsewhere in other online communities it's just that we're so cut off from one another and doing

02:24:59.140 that and i'll i'll give one anecdote and then i'll shut up in that i turned off i accidentally

02:25:04.540 clicked going cognito on my youtube app one time when i was trying to go um click my settings

02:25:11.240 and one of the videos that came up when i was incognito one was a whole just a bunch of tiktok

02:25:16.860 advertisements because i pay for youtube premium sue me but it was this documentary about the

02:25:24.080 history of quote-unquote object games which is this whole sub-genre of youtube animation where

02:25:30.560 they basically take random inanimate objects and they treat them like they're real anthropomorphic

02:25:36.480 and that they're in like a survivor style game show and then the audience interacts and votes

02:25:42.000 off who's who's to leave the island or whatever and how like certain things have like these

02:25:46.720 meta-narratives or a critique of the whole genre and these things get millions and millions and

02:25:51.040 millions of views i'm talking like 22 to like 60 million views for some of them and it was blowing

02:25:57.220 me away that such a thing exists and i had no idea that it was even a thing it was like you know just

02:26:02.400 finding this random civilization out in the middle of nowhere like in the atlantic ocean and you're

02:26:07.120 just like what and then i just quickly turned i watched the whole documentary and i was just

02:26:12.360 blown away that this whole sub-genre of like entertainment for children and pre-teens or

02:26:17.620 zoomers or whatever so is this new or is this like an old type of me because this is blowing my mind

02:26:22.100 too i don't know that was the thing because it's like this started in like 2015 or 2014 and it's

02:26:28.220 been going on and i was like i had no idea it existed but then again i wasn't growing up during

02:26:33.840 that time i was already uh you know i was already 18 going to college during those years it was just

02:26:38.780 like this is new to me and i felt like i was just uncovering some uncontacted civilization that had

02:26:45.460 not been entirely politicized and it was like oh there's like a refuge for political innocence and

02:26:50.260 then uh i quickly turned off my incognito and went back to watching a morgoth video because i have

02:26:55.720 problems you know so that's my that's my that's my spiel morgoth is one of the more soothing

02:27:02.800 creators in our seed even though he can be somewhat cynical but who doesn't like morgoth 0.97

02:27:08.540 that's you could you could put that on tv right now and he'd make a million fucking dollars i bet

02:27:13.180 um he touched on a lot of really yeah like morgan there's a lot of guys in our scene where i'm like 0.90

02:27:18.820 if they went prime time they could they could go you know um he could actually have a really good

02:27:23.760 go of it uh you mentioned a lot of really interesting things there um one thing i'm

02:27:28.540 going to circle back to uh is the he kind of mentioned about lore and he talked things like

02:27:33.680 that the phenomena even on a lower strata than that is the idea of the rabbit hole 0.51

02:27:39.380 the idea that you can decide to just be extremely let's just say autistic or do a deep dive on one

02:27:49.280 topic and within one evening know everything there is to know about that one specific topic

02:27:55.660 and that's almost like seeking out information overload and what's interesting is you see that

02:28:02.640 replicated in a lot of different areas of society binge watching would be another and I could think

02:28:08.560 of maybe even just one or two generations ago the idea of watching like seven hours of one thing

02:28:15.520 would give people migraines or they'd want to blow their brains out like if you it doesn't take long

02:28:20.360 to go back in time to find someone who like cannot consume media and information the same way we do

02:28:26.840 right now the idea of like i'm just going to listen to nine hours of this podcast while i'm

02:28:31.000 watching something else or i'm going to watch an entire season of a show in one day like that's

02:28:35.920 insane but we do that all the time mid girls do that all the time and that used to be the purview 1.00

02:28:42.520 of like like uh fucking nash from a beautiful mind you know so that's that's the culture we 0.99

02:28:49.400 live in of persistent information overload um and we become acclimated to it and the real question 0.99

02:28:54.700 is can we ever step back from that people talk about you know everyone's got low attention spans

02:28:59.780 right now, yes. The trade-off is that you can parse through more information faster. Whether

02:29:06.680 that's good or bad depends on the information being blasted at you. But it's interesting that

02:29:11.380 people seek that out. And in fact, you mentioned there also McLuhan discussed the idea of auto

02:29:18.760 amputation. So he mentioned this in the book. So people don't know, this is kind of, it's an

02:29:24.380 interesting idea. I'm going to try and explain this as simply as I can. And this is probably

02:29:28.380 good place today to explain it. So what McLuhan talks about is that media, and he uses media in

02:29:34.460 a very specific way, media are extensions of ourselves. So the subtitle of the book is

02:29:39.420 Understanding the Media, the Extensions of Man. So what media does is it extends our immediate

02:29:45.420 human senses. So language is a media that we use, and the written word is an extension of that

02:29:52.560 media. Now he can get into the weeds on that a bit where he says clothing is like an extension

02:29:57.120 of the skin you can see what he means but sometimes he also says like wheels or a media extension of

02:30:01.800 the feet sometimes i quibble over like that but the the general idea is that we extend our senses

02:30:08.880 outward into the world which opens up the possibility for information overload at all

02:30:15.500 times and he basically says that anytime you extend your sense you almost auto amputated so

02:30:20.240 it becomes numb anytime you make information communication or information retrieval easier

02:30:26.260 you almost need to numb yourself like opening up like severing a limb like you need to numb it

02:30:31.580 otherwise you'll go into shock and you'll pass out you don't know what to do with that much

02:30:35.340 sensation so he mentions that you know the age the electrical age of communication is also the

02:30:42.380 age of apathy it's the age of the depression you know it's the age of total information

02:30:48.980 submersion but also you feel nothing we feel less than we've ever felt before and like you know

02:30:56.080 Another phenomenon would be, you know, you can make as many friends as ever before.

02:31:00.020 There's people with over a thousand friends with social media.

02:31:02.980 Are those true, vibrant friendships?

02:31:05.380 Of course, they're not.

02:31:06.180 They're kind of numb, but that means you can have more of them in a sense.

02:31:11.440 So there's a numbing that goes along with that.

02:31:14.320 And interestingly, this was occurring to me as I was getting ready for the show.

02:31:18.760 I just kept coming back to Kierkegaard.

02:31:20.520 um kierkegaard uh and his description of angst if angst is an idea that people they think they

02:31:28.680 know but they don't really angst like oh i'm angsty i'm uncomfortable but what angst is it's

02:31:34.520 the incongruity between what you feel like right now and what you think you can achieve it's it's

02:31:42.480 like this tension you feel like i'm not where i should be i can conceptualize very vividly where

02:31:47.820 I should be, but I'm not there. And that gives me this really, really rotten feeling. And so you

02:31:53.740 could say that that comes with awareness, that comes with self-awareness. And so that comes

02:31:58.540 with information too. Like it's all part of the same, you know, information overload and awareness

02:32:04.020 building that's taken place over the past few hundred years, the past few centuries. And that's

02:32:09.260 so when people say, why do I feel like I, there's no reason I should feel depressed. There's no

02:32:13.980 reason I should feel this numb because on paper, materially, technologically, this should be

02:32:21.680 utopia, but it's not. This is not what utopia feels like. And so this, I think, at least begins

02:32:28.480 to understand why you're living in kind of an insane paradigm right now. You're in a paradigm

02:32:34.880 where as a human being, your senses are extended so much in every direction in instantaneous media

02:32:41.540 that you kind of have to become numb to everything just to survive. Yeah, and McLuhan talks about

02:32:48.680 this. And for those who want to understand the book that we're referring to here, Understanding

02:32:53.700 Media, if you are a patron channel member or Substack subscriber, you will get access to a

02:32:59.040 lengthy discussion with myself and my patrons on this book when we talk about it this Saturday on

02:33:04.460 the 27th. So by all means, reasons to support the channel and the work. But in the chapter,

02:33:10.140 four, The Gadget Lover, Narcissus's Narcosis. I'm just going to give some quotes here that I think

02:33:17.700 are particularly important to that discussion. Our language has expressions that indicate the

02:33:22.160 self-amputation that is imposed by various pressures. We speak of wanting to jump out

02:33:27.020 of my skin or of going out of my mind, being, quote, driven batty or flipping my lid. We often 0.79

02:33:33.660 create artificial situations that rival the irritations and stresses of real life under

02:33:39.340 controlled conditions of sport and play and for starters you can already think of something like

02:33:44.980 people who like to play high stress games or do challenge runs on stream such as speed runners

02:33:51.980 or or video game players like those who like to do dark souls uh you know so level one challenges

02:33:58.680 that i i have done because i think it's fun but at the same time it's insanely frustrating if

02:34:02.760 you're doing something wrong but we create these sort of pressures with deadlines or our ability

02:34:08.060 to keep up the clout chasing or just to be in quote the discourse but later on in the chapter

02:34:13.700 he has a particularly interesting point here about electronic technology and again this was written

02:34:20.140 for our form of computers or the internet or anything like that but I'm going to read this

02:34:26.060 here quote with the arrival of electric technology man extended or set outside himself a live model

02:34:33.060 of the central nervous system itself to the degree that it is so it is a development that

02:34:37.680 suggests a desperate and suicidal auto amputation as if the central nervous system could no longer

02:34:43.480 depend on the physical organs to be protective buffers against the slings and arrows of the

02:34:48.820 outrageous mechanism it could be it could well be that the successive mechanizations of various

02:34:54.760 physical organs since the invention of printing have made too violent and super stimulated a

02:34:59.740 social experience for the central nervous system to endure and i'll stop there in part because

02:35:06.020 I think that hits two key factors. One is that I think auto amputation can also serve as an effective form of de-territorialization. We literally uproot ourselves and our culture and our understanding. This is what I call digital deracination. And we re-implant and we re-territorialize these new sort of subcultures, these languages, these ideas, these perceptive worldviews.

02:35:28.520 This is why even normie, large account YouTubers, right?

02:35:31.760 They talk about burnout.

02:35:32.740 They talk about psychological stress.

02:35:35.020 Some very close viewers of my channel will know that I like some of those long hour video

02:35:40.500 essays, critiquing video games, because I can put that on in the background while I

02:35:43.520 work or whatever.

02:35:44.500 So like Patrician TV or whatever.

02:35:46.240 And he works with a guy named Private Sessions.

02:35:47.860 And then all of a sudden, Private Sessions is a mental breakdown.

02:35:50.680 And thank God he's better.

02:35:52.160 But like, you know, he did the work that he was doing kind of like messed with him and

02:35:55.680 it gave him anxiety attacks and so on.

02:35:57.540 And so we can be overstimulated by what we do, by the notifications or balancing things out or just muting every tweet that we send out on the air.

02:36:06.080 But at the same time, especially what I find interesting as a Christian is that when I hear outside of itself, I hear the word discarnate.

02:36:18.120 We are no longer living physical in the world.

02:36:20.780 We're living as an extension of the incarnate world and not focusing on incarnate things, i.e. the incarnate word of God, the Logos, the black man. 0.51

02:36:31.300 And now we're living in a space outside of that self.

02:36:34.300 sort of this weird sort of mechanical

02:36:36.860 thaumaturgy that tells me

02:36:38.400 you know I can exist

02:36:40.800 in this space outside of space

02:36:43.100 and I can conduct

02:36:44.740 conversation and be exposed to people

02:36:47.080 that I shouldn't have

02:36:49.040 been able to communicate with

02:36:50.840 until more recently

02:36:51.880 you know like we can see machine elves or whatever

02:36:54.720 when we take these drugs but when I take the digital

02:36:56.780 drug yeah I see machine elves and demons

02:36:58.600 all the time I see people signing up for 0.98

02:37:00.540 Ayala's birthday orgy on my timeline 0.72

02:37:02.500 and I get really depressed

02:37:03.820 well you mentioned a lot of good things there um and one thing uh just a quote from the book again

02:37:09.700 and to maybe circle back so people really understand we're talking about electricity

02:37:14.640 is a central theme of the book and it's important it's easy to overlook electricity and the

02:37:19.780 importance of electricity uh because we live our lives surrounded by electricity all the time

02:37:24.820 but um i think mcclellan would have lived in an era where computers were coming up like he would

02:37:31.940 have passed away before obviously the internet as we know it but i think he he saw what was coming

02:37:37.280 with computers um but i always would love to hear what he would say about them now but in terms of

02:37:43.760 electricity um what electricity did and this really hasn't what he says in the book is no one

02:37:50.980 has really stopped to really apprehend the importance of electricity on our mind and how

02:37:57.200 we process information. So what does it mean by that? Well, prior to electricity, you still had

02:38:02.180 the industrial revolution, you still had the mechanization process. And the industrial revolution

02:38:07.260 was another paradigm shift to the human mind where we started, everyone started to think more

02:38:11.780 logically, we were very, very process driven, but also very linear. So we could think in very

02:38:17.200 complex processes. And we the the average citizen was demanded of to, you know, absorb this new way

02:38:26.060 thinking of process-driven stuff into their everyday lives. However, what electricity did

02:38:31.380 was it destroyed that process entirely, made everything instantaneous. So the idea that

02:38:37.020 everything could be operating all at once was like another paradigm shift that really changed. And

02:38:42.560 like younger generations kind of get this, it's less A, B, C, D, and more of an interconnected

02:38:47.500 complex matrix. Like you even mentioned there, like, you know, electronic machine elves in

02:38:52.500 parallel dimensions the average person can apprehend really the idea of interdimensional

02:38:59.140 communication from entities is something even like your mom understands there's a time when no

02:39:05.760 one would understand that but you know the average person can actually comprehend the

02:39:10.640 the concept of a multiverse and play around with that even in marvel movies and it's it's it's not

02:39:16.620 just a b c d it's like this interconnected some things change other things but you can keep a lot

02:39:23.120 of those plates spinning in the air so electricity and i don't think that's mcclellan was like one of

02:39:30.080 the first guys to really say that changed how we do everything um and a lot of ideologies were

02:39:37.060 birthed by like marxism fascism a lot of these emerged from the industrial revolution i don't

02:39:42.820 think there's really been an ideology or a really any sort of system that's emerged from

02:39:50.760 the information revolution. Like we're still playing with 19th and 20th century ideas that

02:39:56.300 don't really, you know, work in this new instantaneous paradigm, this de-territorialized

02:40:02.740 paradigm. And there's a quote here, like there's another quote from the book. I'll just read it

02:40:07.840 quickly if you don't mind he says greatest of all reversals occurred with the electricity

02:40:13.320 that ended sequence by making things instant with instant speed the causes of things began to emerge

02:40:19.960 to awareness again just before an airplane breaks the sound barrier sound waves become visible on

02:40:25.600 the wings of the plane the sudden visibility of sound just as sound ends is an apt instance of

02:40:31.300 the great pattern of being that reveals new and opposite forms just as earlier forms reach their

02:40:36.460 peak performance. He says, in the electric age, this is what you were saying before, in the electric

02:40:40.980 age, when our central nervous system is technologically extended to the whole of mankind

02:40:46.760 and to incorporate the whole of mankind in us, we necessarily participate in depth in the

02:40:53.880 consequences of our every action. It's no longer possible to adopt the aloof and disassociated

02:41:01.540 role of the literate westerner so i really like those two lines that shows like the sea change

02:41:08.100 of the electric age that i still don't think most people have really appreciated and what do you

02:41:13.420 think about that i i think the point that you make about playing around with 19th 18th and

02:41:22.040 20th century ideas in the midst of this new technology is innately true i mean there's a

02:41:27.660 certain class of and i want to say class probably the wrong word there are certain i guess group or

02:41:31.520 faction or individuals that are more focused on things about complex systems or how do

02:41:38.580 we adapt to a constant changing level of institutions, ideas, technologies that mean

02:41:46.620 that things are not abiding by 20th or 19th century models of government or communication

02:41:53.360 or propaganda, which I think is innately true. 0.99

02:41:56.300 I mean, the question that was posed one time in a Morgoth video to reference him again,

02:42:00.720 My comment earlier wasn't to denigrate him. I just listened to a lot of his old content and sometimes to try and get on the editor's block.

02:42:09.720 But he was having this conversation about the idea of posing what would happen if a place like Google, the company, wanted to declare war on a country.

02:42:20.340 and you know we have that sort of played out in this uh in this sort of science fiction

02:42:24.660 world a lot where of cyberpunk or of uh i don't know that one uh call of duty game with kevin

02:42:32.000 spacey i guess uh advanced warfare or something like that where it's played in the near future

02:42:35.640 i played that one you know i i didn't play it i really stopped playing call of duty i think after

02:42:44.200 black ops but that's a whole other conversation for another time but you know i i know that uh

02:42:51.400 the u.s military works very closely with them i'm sure darpa works very closely with them so that's

02:42:54.860 a fun way to look at where that game might have been predictive uh programming but uh you know

02:43:01.180 it was a fun question that he posed because that's kind of a reality to some extent like

02:43:06.260 he's like microsoft or google doing but taking advantage of various nation states tax havens

02:43:12.680 that those nations governments put up to have them there right and to have the benefit while

02:43:17.000 at the same time they're constantly going to war with places like the european union who loves to

02:43:22.300 to regulate these things and how well do they hold up in court versus like how easy it might be to

02:43:27.700 take advantage of america's legal system and you know find ways to screw over the consumer your

02:43:32.720 metadata or whatever i think that that's very true is that we don't have the capability of being

02:43:38.320 aware of what kind of world we live in uh or we just take it for granted we just say oh it is what 0.59

02:43:43.740 it is find it absolutely mind-blowing and i mean my twitter engagement is shit because i always

02:43:50.960 uninstall the app and i don't think very much during the weekends and i do that very deliberately

02:43:55.100 it's a form of a c-sys to be on it 24 7 but you know and this isn't a humble brag or anything

02:44:03.120 And it's like 24,000 people follow my Twitter account.

02:44:05.980 That's an insane number,

02:44:08.360 orders of magnitude higher than Dunbar's number.

02:44:12.300 My brain has these compartmentalized spaces

02:44:15.300 where I can recognize regular members of chat

02:44:18.860 or someone, or I even met this person in real life

02:44:22.020 at a conference once.

02:44:23.020 He's like, oh, I'm so-and-so.

02:44:24.800 I'm alien robot anthropologist.

02:44:26.620 And I'm like, I remember you

02:44:27.620 because you're one of the first people

02:44:28.540 that ever commented on my channel

02:44:29.840 like three and a half years ago.

02:44:31.320 that's a crazy thing that my brain should not know in comparison to the fact that i know dozens

02:44:37.220 and dozens more people in real life um trying to make it sound really hard like i have a thriving

02:44:43.440 social life i mean i do but it's like it's it's crazy that my brain has this dualism to it where

02:44:48.780 i can like turn off online brain or try to turn off online brain and then turn on offline in real

02:44:55.540 life brain because we work very closely to not tell people too much about our like real life

02:45:02.300 personal details like i say i live in the middle of nowhere but i also say that i live in texas and

02:45:07.380 and i also you know try and make sure that people don't know exactly where i'm at because you don't

02:45:11.980 want like your your online life crossing too over much into your real life and that

02:45:16.580 so i think unless you're part of it or you take the time to seriously think about it i think you're

02:45:22.380 McLuhan is right, even, you know, 60 plus years ago, that we take for granted this awareness.

02:45:29.840 And some people are just blissfully unaware because either they were raised in it or that's

02:45:34.540 just the culture and they've been programmed and conditioned psychologically to just accept the

02:45:40.640 terms of how it is. Some people I've noticed kind of fit very naturally as just passive consumers,

02:45:46.860 whereas others want to be the reply guy they want to be the thread guy they want to be the

02:45:53.220 i'm going to find a specific weird niche and that's going to be my thing and it will be my

02:45:58.360 space because i want to conquer this intangible digital space because it is mine because i to

02:46:04.780 some extent i think the bronze age pervert is very right man wants to claim and take up space 0.59

02:46:09.180 and where other place to do that in the 21st century in part because no one's doing like

02:46:15.820 rebellion or insurrection or we're not like joining the french foreign legion right to go

02:46:19.780 kill algerians or whatever instead we're we're trying to ratio like the sunday times or we're

02:46:24.880 trying to ratio trudeau or there's this guy called middle earth mixer on twitter that always puts a 0.87

02:46:30.480 picture of or ripping a peter to like ratio like news journalists and such like that's that's the

02:46:36.360 space and this and because our social media stuff to reference the book one more time

02:46:41.720 is so gamified, our awareness of these things affect us. So McLuhan says, and this is in the

02:46:50.560 chapter on games, games then are contrived in a controlled situation, extensions of group

02:46:58.040 awareness that permit a respite from customary patterns. They are a kind of talking to itself

02:47:03.460 on the part of society as a whole. On the talking to oneself is a recognized form of play that is

02:47:08.760 indispensable from the to any growth of self-confidence the british and the americans

02:47:13.260 have enjoyed during recent times an enormous self-confidence born of the playful spirit

02:47:17.700 and the fun of games when they sense an absence of this spirit in their rivals it causes

02:47:23.040 embarrassment to take mere worldly things in dead earnest betokens a defect of awareness

02:47:29.800 that is pitiable and again it's a very anglo sense of like oh we like games you know we i think the

02:47:36.740 only other group that really enjoy games as much as we do maybe the Japanese and the Koreans in a

02:47:40.580 digital sense but we love our organized sport we love our cricket we love our football we love our

02:47:45.220 American football we love our our golf our hockey etc because it's a way to identify with another

02:47:52.380 group that isn't necessarily ours like you know my my dad's side of the family is from Green Bay

02:47:57.020 Wisconsin they all live there so everyone by nature of my own birth I am innately a Green

02:48:01.580 Bay Packers fan even though I'm not really a big NFL guy and the fact that our digital world is

02:48:07.960 incredibly gamified and they're designed on purpose to be gamified we're in these contrived

02:48:13.920 but very controlled situations we have a TOS that we like to often skirt the line of what kind of

02:48:19.500 weird stuff can we say on Twitter you can't say well you can on Elon's Twitter now advocate for

02:48:25.040 something like I don't know traditional neighborhood development but you know you also know that you

02:48:29.880 maybe can't say that somewhere else in the same way that depending on what we say you know that

02:48:35.760 can get us banned but it's not these respite from customary worldly patterns because it's not it's

02:48:44.820 not a respite in fact this other space these controlled and contrived situations actually

02:48:50.460 affect the real world in a very uh linguistic and very spatial sense of where discourse and

02:48:57.080 ideas are conceptualized i mean that's why it was such a big deal for right-wing twitter

02:49:00.680 to have their tweets read off on air when tucker carlson was still working at fox news

02:49:06.260 and so i think that that's a big thing that i don't think we've even talked like the not just

02:49:12.400 the right in general but i mean people in general outside of a few papers written by um like the

02:49:18.800 atlantic council or the santa fe institute where we do live in a very gamified world and that's

02:49:25.740 something that i don't think people realize outside of i think well i mean i think frody

02:49:30.020 kind of gets into it when he talks about like nationalist narnia because he kind of knows how

02:49:33.920 actually this stuff is the real world but when you're on the internet you know like oh i can like 0.98

02:49:38.640 tell some tranny on twitter like you'll never be a real woman or whatever and they're like yeah 0.96

02:49:42.480 yeah i did the thing i owned the libs and then well you really didn't because like your country 0.98

02:49:46.520 still being invaded by third worlders if you don't mind me asking what's the nationalist

02:49:51.500 narnia concept if it's the same frody that i'm because i interviewed it it is you just talk to 0.83

02:49:57.160 him um no i uh the whole nationalist narnia is the the idea and i'm going to butcher because i

02:50:02.460 haven't talked to frody in a hot minute but uh his nationalist narnia was just like we we we use the

02:50:07.920 internet to sort of like propagate our ideas and then we don't do anything in the real world

02:50:11.840 and that we think what we do online like that's all that we have to do and so people can be very

02:50:17.560 unserious and live in a world where oh yes like starting tomorrow this account at you know like 0.53

02:50:24.600 iron iron griper 1488 or whatever is like i'm gonna like deport all the migrants and it's just 0.88

02:50:30.460 like but you're not right and like you're gonna log off and you're gonna go to your shitty wage 0.81

02:50:34.100 cage um or you're gonna like tweet on company time and that's sort of his criticism and i think

02:50:39.460 that's the acknowledgement that we live in this very gamified system but i've been rambling for

02:50:43.600 far too long you can't interrupt me dimes you can't interrupt me okay because you said so many

02:50:48.240 good things and i don't want whenever an interrupt or anyone interrupts they lose their train and

02:50:52.460 got like seven things i wanted to comment on there but i think i'll comment on the last part because

02:50:58.540 i know i'm going to forget this and i don't know where i'll fit this part in so now's a good time

02:51:02.000 as any there's this book i was reading recently that i'm just about finished i'm going to talk

02:51:07.440 about it on my show blood satellite uh it's called decadence by jim haugen this was written in the

02:51:14.600 70s um and a fan of the show a friend of the show sent me a hardcover copy it's not the easiest book

02:51:21.920 to find but this guy was a journalist and he was written writing on the counterculture of the 60s

02:51:28.600 so this would have been the boomer generation um people think they know what that was it was hippies

02:51:34.400 maybe they heard huntress thompson talk about that time but it's a lot more complex than people

02:51:40.140 think i'm not going to explain the entire thing right now but the one part he was talking about

02:51:45.560 was the concept of cultural decadence because what had happened was i'll just say this the

02:51:52.960 dissident right what the broad milieu that we're in right now is almost line for line and beat for

02:51:59.620 beat what the counterculture movement in the 60s was, including where it ended up right before it

02:52:05.300 fizzled out, which was people saying, we need to create a parallel society, we need to go off grid,

02:52:10.340 we got to start building compounds. There was an anarcho-primitivism, there was a fascination with

02:52:15.280 reading old books and mysticism and esoteric stuff. There was a lot that was very, very similar. And

02:52:21.020 of course, the interest is, well, how did that fail? Because that seems to be parallel to this.

02:52:25.300 Now, there's a couple of reasons why it failed. But one thing he had mentioned was they failed for the same reason we're probably going to fail. And because we're stuck in this sort of cultural decadence, because we understand that the society is too big and too powerful to really affect with any sort of internal revolution, barring a total collapse, which is unlikely.

02:52:47.500 so we enter into this this meta life we become every single one of us sort of pathologize our

02:52:57.620 self-awareness that the the life of a westerner right now and he gives a great anecdote about

02:53:03.260 this later in the book he says you know i was fed up with america i had to get out you had to do what

02:53:08.960 every white guy wants to do you got to get out of your homeland and just go where the natives are

02:53:13.520 So he goes to Ibiza, or as they call it, Ibiza.

02:53:16.760 But I don't like pronouncing it like that.

02:53:19.240 So it's Ibiza.

02:53:20.340 And he goes there.

02:53:21.620 And again, this is in the 70s.

02:53:22.920 No internet, right?

02:53:23.820 But he goes there, and he's fascinated that that entire island, no one's got a phone. 0.98

02:53:28.720 They don't really give a shit about what's going on in the outside world. 0.98

02:53:31.880 And you'd think that would make them culturally dead. 0.99

02:53:34.100 Quite the opposite.

02:53:34.920 It's crackling with energy and gossip and communication, and people are lively.

02:53:39.500 There's a different sort of energy there that he falls in love with.

02:53:43.520 for a minute and then he realizes he's like i i can't exist in this culture because this culture

02:53:49.680 doesn't know how to stand outside of itself he being a western man a white american he can only

02:53:56.740 understand culture as something you stand outside of like we all do and i'm sure you know if gio

02:54:02.360 pinacetti is listening to this which he should be um he would understand like everything is a

02:54:08.680 meta commentary every meme we have to remove it what does this mean in relation to something else

02:54:13.320 We overanalyze everything because that's all we really have left.

02:54:17.200 And that's what became of the boomers and the counter revolution. 0.76

02:54:20.180 It became commoditized and commodified too fast.

02:54:23.960 And that barring any sort of collapse, you're saying that the only thing we can really bring to the table is intense sort of meta analysis of the culture itself.

02:54:32.340 And that becomes the only culture.

02:54:35.800 And that's fascinating when you consider like what is the cable news?

02:54:38.700 Within my lifetime, cable news media became a giant cultural organism to talk about the news media itself.

02:54:48.340 Isn't that weird?

02:54:49.340 Isn't it weird how much the news media talks about itself all the time and meta-analyzes what the pundits are doing?

02:54:57.160 It's pathological.

02:54:58.840 It's an insane way to live. 0.68

02:55:00.460 But we actually wouldn't know how to live if we were deposited in any previous culture.

02:55:07.020 And part of that goes along with the development of psychoanalysis in the West

02:55:11.100 that we keep also psychoanalyzing ourselves.

02:55:13.780 You can't just be. 0.97

02:55:14.860 Everyone has to have some kind of mental illness. 0.57

02:55:16.680 But that's almost a different tangent entirely.

02:55:21.280 Before I go on, what do you think about that?

02:55:22.800 Because I have a couple other points based on what you said.

02:55:24.640 What do you think about that thing I just said?

02:55:26.880 I think that there's a point where even this space itself has people that are offering commentary.

02:55:34.020 I mean, what is e-drama, right?

02:55:35.620 we love to talk about drama

02:55:37.960 we love to talk about fights

02:55:39.240 in part because it's just like

02:55:40.480 it's quasi theatrical right

02:55:42.420 to borrow the pro wrestling kayfabe stuff

02:55:44.440 but like also you know why is it that people like

02:55:47.300 and this isn't a shit on them or anything

02:55:49.080 I just find the whole thing fascinating

02:55:51.220 why is it that people like

02:55:53.100 PPP and Andy Worski on the Kino Casino

02:55:55.320 can make thousands of dollars

02:55:57.520 a stream talking about

02:55:59.520 drama and talking about

02:56:01.320 and talking about the people who talk about

02:56:03.420 drama yes yes in the same way

02:56:05.220 the news media talks about the people who talk about the news media which happens to be like

02:56:10.100 Rachel Maddow who works like three blocks down the street in the same like area in New York or 0.57

02:56:13.840 whatever at MSNBC's office or whatever right like that's a very we're replicating the same phenomenon

02:56:19.740 also I think that you're very much right that we are a lot like new age old left progressive hippies

02:56:25.500 from like the new left of the 50s and 60s that was listen we're not communists we don't like them

02:56:32.880 but we're also like not righties either uh to some extent but also we know that communists

02:56:38.020 ended up winning um both world war ii and the cold war so like and also let me just pause you

02:56:43.260 there and one of the things he points on the book again not to spoil it listen to blood satellite

02:56:47.380 but the the point of the book is like the counter-cultural movement was actually this

02:56:52.340 really complex social upheaval it was like an ecosystem of a lot of different things

02:56:58.000 that was in effect hijacked by the new left and he said it really the conflagration for them was

02:57:04.220 vietnam and they tried to put their stamp on everything but he's like if you look at how

02:57:07.760 the counter-revolution like what was it it was like an interest in eastern mysticism it was a

02:57:13.060 rejection of a lot of the news media it was a lot of just things that seemed to spontaneously happen

02:57:18.560 that if you ask people now it's like oh yeah that was a leftist thing not really they just have a 0.97

02:57:23.660 tendency as all communists do to try and like put their stamp on the shit people are doing 0.94

02:57:29.620 themselves and and corral it into the same space and that's one of the things that killed it 0.96

02:57:34.480 essentially but they tried to politicize what was a genuine and decentralized populist reaction

02:57:42.840 to the the modern american post-war lifestyle that's how he described it at least well i

02:57:50.920 I'm sort of cripping from sandbatch because you're not the first person to make that point.

02:57:55.760 And maybe if he's gotten it from the same book, I don't know.

02:57:58.400 But this is the reason why I tell people to read people like William Appelman Williams, who would be part of that movement.

02:58:07.420 And if you read him nowadays, you're like, oh, he kind of reads like a leftist.

02:58:11.180 But no, he is reacting to the American way of life, although and also America's foreign policy and empire.

02:58:18.540 he's got two great books the tragedy of american diplomacy and empire's a way of life where he

02:58:22.360 totally shuts down like the the boomer khan quasi-libertarian myth that you know we don't

02:58:27.680 want foreign wars and it's like no america's always been like this like really cool swashbuckling

02:58:32.560 white man filibustering like his neighbors and it's like awesome but at the same time like that

02:58:37.520 isolationism is a total myth but a good friend classington has a lot to say on that yes he does

02:58:42.700 yes his his history article on the history of american filibustering is very good and i highly

02:58:48.040 recommend people read that over on the not only would i recommend that i would say that's one of

02:58:52.740 the more important geopolitical sub stacks that's come out of our scene some people might think

02:58:57.940 that's too grandiose but there's a lot that's bound up in that sub stack over let's just say

02:59:03.260 a lot of people that might be getting more play not you but some other people i won't name if i

02:59:07.620 won't name them why did i even say it i don't know anyway continue go ahead no well the reason why i

02:59:13.580 say that williams is actually someone i think really important to read on this quote-unquote

02:59:17.500 dissident right and how much the question is is like those guys were somewhat of an organic

02:59:22.160 reaction whereas how much of ourselves right are perhaps byproducts of algorithmic programming

02:59:30.720 prior to the shutdown of maybe that quote-unquote pipeline the one thing that the liberals of the

02:59:36.520 in 2017 state and society report was is that there was a pipeline from like libertarian

02:59:41.840 atheist skepticism stuff to uh what at the time was called the alt-right like they were correct

02:59:47.740 about that the don't think anyone would tell you that that isn't the case because when i see people

02:59:51.360 in the comment section talking about where they started versus where they are now i i see a

02:59:56.840 confirmation of that concern that there was a quote-unquote pipeline but um i do see a lot of

03:00:03.640 people who get upset and they fight with all these other groups that are sort of reacting to

03:00:09.780 say the spirit of the age or or what Jimmy Carter would have called the great malaise or what the

03:00:14.640 southern agrarians would have criticized our sort of consumer capitalist cultures and I'll take my

03:00:18.980 stand which I think even non-southerners should read and even non-Americans as well I think you

03:00:24.760 would find it fascinating but when you look at those guys and even ourselves like you see these

03:00:30.280 all these little disparate groups sort of coming to conclusions where the path that we're currently

03:00:35.080 on sucks but we also sound like progressive hippies like you know 20 years ago the whole

03:00:40.240 raw milk thing was definitely uh a hipster like new age wine mom would have done right 0.98

03:00:48.000 northwest but nowadays it's just a bunch of like hulked out six foot three white guys that are 0.96

03:00:54.680 like yeah i sun my balls and i drink raw milk because like screw the system and we do have this 0.97

03:01:00.160 countercultural thing to it all which is funny when you hear that the national review for like 0.96

03:01:04.660 the last 30 years has been saying like oh yeah like conservatism is the new punk rock and it's

03:01:09.740 like your brand of conservatism was never the new punk rock ours is like petty link cola meets ted

03:01:16.900 kaczynski but meets nick land and it's this weird mishmash mind bending oh absolutely and because

03:01:24.440 we're we're simultaneously uh amputating our our sense of self away from say and to some extent

03:01:31.340 this is kind of funny right like we say blood like some people on the right will be like very

03:01:35.080 hardcore identitarian and they'll be like very much blood and soil but at the same time the

03:01:42.320 conceptualization of blood and soil in 2024 to some extent not all um before i get a whole bunch

03:01:50.720 of people yelling at me in the comment section a lot of it is though online which is de-territorialized

03:01:57.320 from the actual land that you're on and so this is where you end up like scratching quote unquote

03:02:02.620 like base conquistador you know you know for 15 18 or whatever and then all of a sudden like you

03:02:09.140 look behind the account you realize that some guy from columbia talking about how we need to save

03:02:12.860 the west or whatever yeah and it's a strange place to be in because that amputation that

03:02:20.480 McLuhan talks about also is a great signifying tool of empire because I had this conversation

03:02:27.680 with conscious caracol, like two and a half years ago, Ernst van Sile over at AFRI forum.

03:02:31.380 And he had told me that he says, I found it really weird.

03:02:35.100 One time I was walking downtown and I saw someone South African boar looks like me,

03:02:41.200 you know, probably has, we probably know each other some way somehow, but he's speaking

03:02:45.180 into his phone and perfect americanized english and you know referring to things in it with

03:02:50.380 american mannerisms and i was like that's a really impressive like way to like of imperial

03:02:55.580 hegemony in terms of like cultural soft power type deal like language and tools and mannerisms

03:03:00.540 and media and that's sort of america's greatest export is it's soft power cultural stuff which

03:03:05.740 has its own if you want to uh if you want to talk about some three-letter acronyms for what that 0.74

03:03:10.140 could be by all means be my guest but like when you're exporting like gay race communism or like 0.81

03:03:14.640 the global you know like or the american race system as curtis garvin likes to call it you can

03:03:18.420 call it something else if you want but it does illustrate i think to me and i'll finish your

03:03:22.420 point here is just that even how you said it abiza right and they call it abithia right like who do

03:03:28.000 we have to blame for that well we can blame that songwriter and singer mike posner right you took

03:03:32.680 the only reason why i know of that place's existence initially until i i read up on where

03:03:37.900 that place actually is and because we are these people who enjoy games we live in sort of gamified

03:03:46.220 systems we have this sort of self-pride and this sense of self that expands and we look at other

03:03:53.280 people differently like before we went on the air we were like well who else thinks in such a

03:03:56.900 metatextual kind of way who thinks in this this metaphysical understanding of the world outside

03:04:02.760 of like the very technologically advanced westerners and the asiatic countries that

03:04:08.360 were westernized after world war ii and that to me you know like if we there's people that want

03:04:15.100 to return and there is sort of a techno-skeptical undercurrent to a lot of people in the dissident

03:04:19.980 right some are techno-optimists there are different camps but the techno-skeptics kind

03:04:25.260 of want to go back to some kind of abithia style culture where like they have something they can

03:04:29.600 talk about it in the same way i think people are desperate because they they feel unhappy 0.86

03:04:35.560 right like we were saying but when they try and go somewhere else that maybe hasn't experienced

03:04:42.000 that quote-unquote first contact with electricity or first contact with the digital they're still

03:04:48.640 strangers even in that world that they try to achieve and um not to not to crap on some people

03:04:55.320 in in religious spaces but i mean uh it's very interesting especially as myself i i am uh i am

03:05:02.740 a convert to eastern orthodoxy but like uh listening to other people who are in the online

03:05:08.020 spaces of that religion which i avoid um with some rare exceptions and to see people who are

03:05:16.300 walking into a religion that never experienced the renaissance or the enlightenment try and make

03:05:21.580 sense of their own like western anglo identities that are a product of the enlightenment and are

03:05:27.260 a product of the renaissance and the reformation and then try and force themselves theologically

03:05:32.160 back in time it's very interesting and we see that with all sorts of things not just in religion but

03:05:37.680 politics as well yeah no if anyone needs help translating that jay dyer your days are numbered

03:05:44.300 now you have one year yeah you have one year no you mentioned a lot of really fascinating things

03:05:49.740 there and um one of the things you had mentioned was uh sort of wanting to go back and there's this

03:05:55.920 the kind of this thread that's been woven through a lot of things i've been reading recently which

03:06:00.220 is that nostalgia and advocating for nostalgia can be the most politically expedient it's easy

03:06:08.500 to put on a placard it's easy to make a slogan out of but it might be the least relevant and the least

03:06:14.800 achievable to actually go back to a previous time even if it's like america in the 1950s however

03:06:20.720 that's very emotionally potent so ironically that's the stuff that's easier to advocate for

03:06:25.440 twitter times nostalgia is the gateway to fascism exactly well that's and this is the the the space

03:06:32.160 you gotta live in because it's this is why i always try and say now you mentioned sort of the

03:06:36.160 idea of blood and soil and i want to just recontextualize that for people because a lot

03:06:40.140 of alarm bells ring when they say that but i'm like well it's not it is a more fascist adjacent 0.95

03:06:45.860 but it really is just you can explain this if it came from the mouth of a black person they would

03:06:49.960 say well my my lineage and my family and my kinfolk are important to me that's the blood

03:06:56.300 and the look i have a tie to the location that they fought and died for and i am birthed from 0.90

03:07:03.600 that environment and if you take me out of that environment i'm less comfortable like an african 0.99

03:07:08.540 person is less comfortable in canada canada is full of indians right now they're all fucking 1.00

03:07:13.500 miserable it's not a good environment for them um unless you have a lot of money to insulate 1.00

03:07:18.300 yourself from the sort of environment that we walk around in a t-shirt in right but there's

03:07:24.980 an interesting idea in there and i'm gonna mention another book that i read so i got something in my

03:07:30.440 throat there's this book i read speaking of indians this book is titled the network state

03:07:37.840 unforgivably indian name i'm gonna try and read it balaji srinivasan anyway very smart guy very

03:07:46.420 great book the network state it kind of addresses what you're just talking about about de-territorialization

03:07:53.140 and sort of re-tribalization in an online space it's a book i would recommend people read because

03:07:59.340 you can read it for free if you look up the network state you can find this pdf or read it

03:08:02.880 on the website it's a very nrx styled book it's very much i don't know if he's associated with

03:08:08.800 yarvin and bap and all them but it seems so using a lot of the same terminology he uses the word

03:08:14.640 larping in a serious way which always bothered me anyway he's talking about how moving forward

03:08:21.180 you can have groups that exist in an online space essentially create a new nation state

03:08:29.440 and is trying to figure out how do we leverage this reality that we are all de-territorialized

03:08:35.060 and there still exists this concept of blood and soil this traditional nationalistic stuff

03:08:41.200 in this sort of digital diaspora you know you had mentioned earlier the the phenomena of meeting

03:08:47.560 people in real life and that's an interesting thing because i i do want to clarify before i

03:08:54.900 think people make it sound like you're like pushing back or i know you said recontextualizing

03:08:58.880 i'm not saying that the the blood and soil idea is purely online i i am saying though it has a

03:09:06.600 sense of where it is spread out to where it's not just like into one location it's totally real i

03:09:10.980 just ranted about it on the last episode of the digital archipelago where i'm walking through

03:09:14.520 you know the historical sites of philadelphia and i'm like my ancestors were here like that's what

03:09:19.980 i i believe in it you know in that sense that it's real and it's in there i'm i hold the

03:09:24.200 sensibilities oh and that's what i'm saying for people it's like it is real to people because

03:09:28.340 people hear blood and so like oh you mean your online stuff no but it is real that is a real

03:09:32.600 phenomenon both exist yeah and also there is you're you're kind of anchoring yourself in this

03:09:39.640 understanding of blood and so but you are living in a digital diaspora trying to figure out a way

03:09:44.120 to reclaim that in some sense and you had mentioned uh the phenomenon of um it's just

03:09:51.360 stop saying the word phenomenon, but like meeting people in real life that you met online.

03:09:54.840 Now there was an older form of social media. This was like original Twitter, which is like,

03:10:00.820 I'm an individual and I can broadcast my thoughts to the world. That is not enticing to young people

03:10:07.780 now, or even me as a millennial. The idea of just, I want the world to hear my opinions. No one wants

03:10:13.660 to do that. What they do is create online communities. And this has been trending from

03:10:17.400 marketing perspective this has been the trend for the past couple generations more closed communities

03:10:22.500 and closed systems so what you're finding is the traditional idea of oh you've got internet friends

03:10:28.700 strangers you met online people are brokering real friendships and connections online and

03:10:34.960 translating that to the real world um on one hand that's tinder obviously there's the dating hook

03:10:40.620 up site but then there's also like these kinship networks that are emerging and they might start

03:10:46.060 with, let's say, ethnic based, they might also be ideology based, they might be religious based

03:10:51.140 for people that are geographically disparate, but can kind of come together. And that's as

03:10:56.020 real as anything. And that's grounded in an old blend soil idea. But they do know how to exist

03:11:01.520 very, very strongly as an online diaspora. Furthermore, they know how to translate that

03:11:07.900 to the real world. And that's something that I've seen emerge over my lifetime that I think

03:11:12.900 is really exciting and that's kind of what the network state book is about it's like how can

03:11:17.020 you create these online communities and make them real to the extent of actually creating sort of a

03:11:23.020 constitution and buying land so now you're a community that own you're a tribe this is how

03:11:28.780 you retribalize in an online space there is a schematic for people to do that when i spoke to

03:11:34.640 frodi this is what he was always talking about retribalization we hear that a lot you also hear

03:11:39.640 that in McLuhan, when he says that the electricity and the electronic world has re-tribalized the

03:11:47.120 Western mind. We were a very solitary, literate type of people. Now we're forced to re-tribalize.

03:11:54.700 We're forced into this communal awareness, but still with the memory of being illiterate people.

03:12:00.500 So it's not like you're devolving into an oral tradition. No, it's the orientalization

03:12:05.920 of the Western mind this was the the great fusion that McLuhan was talking about where

03:12:11.740 yeah we would be exposed to oriental uh symbolic pictographic not as literate with oral traditions

03:12:20.820 based upon you know the tribalization or communities and now those two things are coming

03:12:25.320 together and have come together because YouTube if you remember the early days of YouTube the

03:12:31.000 the motto that came when you went to youtube.com was broadcast yourself and if you were to google

03:12:36.940 the word youtube today it just says share your videos with friends family in the world there is

03:12:42.740 no motto anymore um it is just about um you know have a place to join even the youtubers themselves

03:12:51.080 say you know join the community i have a discord link in the description and you can talk about

03:12:56.360 whatever there is right and even when there's drama um to to make reference for instance like

03:13:01.560 when that h bomber guy this norwooding leftist gives this long video about plagiarism and blah

03:13:09.120 blah blah blah blah and people hop on that train about plagiarism although it was it was wonderfully 0.94

03:13:13.720 timed because little did h bomber guy know that just like three days later you know claudine gay 0.58

03:13:19.520 would be accused of plagiarism by a bunch of disaffected rich jews uh who are concerned about 0.53

03:13:25.420 the state of anti-Semitic protesting and pro-Hamas protesting inside these Ivy League college 0.70

03:13:31.300 campuses. But it does, how people reacted to it was talking about my community would call me out

03:13:39.360 for that. My fans would call me out for that. And people who get in these fights would say things

03:13:44.060 like, don't leverage your ability to block commenters because my community wants to defend

03:13:50.580 itself from your attacks or something like that and so yeah we are re-tribalized in a very

03:13:57.220 gamified way we're like oh if i ratio you on the internet you know like that means i won right like

03:14:03.100 it's or the meme that people like to say it's too late i've depicted you as the soy jack and

03:14:08.040 myself as the giga chat right like we're using these very uh mythopoetic pictographic representations

03:14:14.280 of self that are extensions of who we think that we actually are and this is why people love to

03:14:22.240 just quote tweet uh ugly liberal academics on twitter with their profile pictures because we

03:14:28.500 can just look at them see a physically unattractive person and know that i can disregard that person's 0.77

03:14:36.220 opinion because they are ugly and so because we have these and i don't want to say that they're

03:14:42.260 they're like pre like christian or that they're like ancient or i i think that these are just

03:14:47.700 long-standing things that as enlightenment uh post-enlightenment men in the west we kind of

03:14:56.780 try and do that whole argument for ideas type d like oh it's the ideas that matter it doesn't

03:15:01.620 matter that like milton friedman or murray rothbard look like caricatures of a certain

03:15:07.240 ethnic group that would even have like goebbels being like come on man i can't print that

03:15:11.300 but you listen to their ideas and you find them interesting.

03:15:14.580 Whereas nowadays we just like can totally disregard their ideas of the

03:15:17.680 counter signal as based on their, their views. And I mean,

03:15:21.560 you see this in ancient literature. I mean,

03:15:22.940 you see this in even the work of numerous church fathers where they'll

03:15:26.600 describe their opponents as spiritually and physically ugly.

03:15:30.820 And we do that still now, right? 0.99

03:15:32.580 We've returned to the tribalized world. And for some people,

03:15:36.500 I think that freaks them out to a degree that whatever came before, uh, the, the sort of

03:15:44.180 Western idea is of, of what man is, is, is under attack, not just in the demographic sense of the

03:15:51.600 word, but also in sort of the metaphysical that we we've lost track of who we are. And there are,

03:15:58.000 I think three pathways that people have sort of generated answers to that question, although

03:16:03.360 they're all inherently tribal um i i think that you see this in sort of three groups in the

03:16:08.920 metaphysical level you see sort of like the vitalist you know new kind of technology new 0.99

03:16:13.720 gods new return to old energy you know like be strong be sexy you know the the the fuck rate 0.98

03:16:20.420 must increase type people and then on the other hand you have like the neo-pagans like clearly 0.98

03:16:25.100 like nietzsche was right the genealogy of morals like if we hold on to these stronger um like

03:16:30.000 ethno-religious conceptualizations of ourselves and our belief systems like we can lose you know

03:16:36.320 become something that is going to survive in ways that will not survive like the the post-reformation

03:16:42.820 post-enlightenment or even post you know even the post to uh circa circa zero ad world and will

03:16:50.000 manage right and then of course you have the christians that are like clearly have answers

03:16:54.060 they're referring back to scripture they're referring back to church tradition and are

03:16:57.160 fighting the pause inside of their own institutions and churches and i think because these things are

03:17:03.620 all happening both in the real world and in the digital spaces you're you're realizing that

03:17:10.200 you know even though yes some of these ideas or some of these uh belief systems are thousands

03:17:16.100 and thousands of years old they feel new despite the fact that you know they do have a very tangible

03:17:24.560 timeline where we can trace their history their entomology the development of doctrines etc

03:17:30.600 and we're in a world where as you had said we're trying to just survive this position so like oh

03:17:38.780 yeah the network state can we like you know startups are cool but can we start up a country

03:17:43.680 and that's trying to challenge 19th and 20th century concepts of what the nation state is

03:17:50.360 despite the fact that honest to god america doesn't have sovereignty i mean like we can

03:17:55.900 talk about oh yeah like u.s government can collect taxes and has the military but if america wanted

03:18:00.640 to go to war with mexico it would have to be conscientious and aware of the fact and just

03:18:05.600 accept it that you know half your service members are probably going to end up like

03:18:10.940 cartel beheading videos from like live weeks 2012 because they're all over the border towns and 0.95

03:18:18.500 they're all over in the major metropolitan areas and all it takes is for one libtard to dox a u.s 0.53

03:18:24.780 drone operator and that u.s drone operator's family has just been executed by the sinola cartel 0.79

03:18:29.940 because america decided to go commit a special military operation on the southern border and

03:18:34.480 to make a long story short with this whole point is is that we're in a position where

03:18:38.520 we're trying to find ways in this age of both awareness and unconscious awareness

03:18:47.040 where we're both de-territorialized

03:18:49.760 but aware of things like blood and soil

03:18:51.760 and how do we adapt them for the mediums

03:18:56.180 and how do we adapt the ideas and beliefs

03:18:58.420 in a world where, you know,

03:19:01.760 I think there was a famous insult

03:19:03.280 that Foucault had used on someone

03:19:04.800 like you're a 19th century philosopher

03:19:08.600 living in the 20th

03:19:09.720 and that's where we're at.

03:19:12.260 We're trying to take these old ideas

03:19:13.320 and we're trying to hurryingly carry them

03:19:15.700 onto noah's ark of the digital age like here's the floodgates they're opening god has said you

03:19:20.280 are going to die uh try and take everything that you can and take it onto the digital arc

03:19:24.880 yeah and one thing that is the reason we're doing that is because people are scrambling to find a

03:19:30.740 solution that isn't just accelerationism which is the idea ideology of let's just speed towards

03:19:36.540 collapse because the only thing i see is collapse whereas a lot of people in our space they're 0.92

03:19:41.380 toying around the edges of how can we create something new that doesn't involve total fucking

03:19:47.840 cataclysm and you just mentioned something there i wanted to note about um you know showing people's 0.74

03:19:53.980 profile pictures and everyone everyone in the world doing a physiognomy check once again it

03:20:00.400 is the convergence of far-right schizos and mean girls and i've commented before that if you look 0.99

03:20:08.160 your average sort of dissident right chat it's almost indistinguishable from a bunch of fucking 0.98

03:20:14.520 broads because like what are we talking about the importance of having a lot of kids uh we're 0.99

03:20:19.800 trading recipes and it's fitness tips we're just a bunch of fucking girls sometimes but it's like 1.00

03:20:26.660 yeah are you ugly are you then i'm not listening to you you're weird you're it like we have the 1.00

03:20:32.380 guy version of the ick every time we look at a philosopher who's fat um but there is there's 0.99

03:20:38.580 something there there actually is something you know the idea that the enlightenment idea of like

03:20:43.520 all that matters is the idea is it doesn't matter where they're coming from you know i was reading

03:20:47.180 a e michael jones recently he had this really great book called logos rising i know he's a

03:20:51.680 catholic but i think you could forgive him for that um and he talked about he was talking more

03:20:57.020 about a lot of the marxist thinkers and a lot of the sort of deconstructuralists you know they

03:21:02.060 their ideologies emerge from their lives and he was making the case that you know if you live sort 0.84

03:21:07.480 of a degenerate lifestyle you will propose a degenerate ideology to explain the world

03:21:13.240 and you could see that in people like you know Foucault and others I think there is some truth

03:21:18.500 that so a lot of us are asking like okay this idea is good does it map onto reality like you've got

03:21:24.700 a nice ideology you know this I was talking about this with um I think it was Disgrace

03:21:29.700 propagandist on the episode we recorded like I know BAP and Soul Bra they kind of doxed themselves

03:21:35.840 recently and I'm like you know what like their entire ideologies would have been thrown in the 0.87

03:21:39.660 trash if they were short fat and ugly but the fact that they actually are you know tall and they 0.91

03:21:45.220 look like they work out I'm like then people take them seriously but the fact of the matter is 0.99

03:21:49.140 if you're short fat and ugly most people will say like oh this is your ideology your worldview 1.00

03:21:55.440 has not resulted in anything for you either you're a hypocrite or you don't take it seriously 1.00

03:21:59.600 or it leads to you it's in some way associated with where generated from and so we don't take 0.82

03:22:05.060 it seriously sounds unfair but i think there's more people broadly interested in like okay

03:22:09.960 how does this idea map onto reality because that's all we're interested in right now

03:22:14.720 and especially on the our side of things where it's like yes we talk about retribalization yes

03:22:19.200 we talk about the importance of community what does that mean give me the schematic step one

03:22:23.180 two three four what the fuck do you mean and that's the project that even i'm engaged in like 0.92

03:22:27.340 okay we need to retribalize what does that look like does that involve like a pastoral do we need 0.99

03:22:32.140 to return to the 15th fucking century like tell me this tell me your plan do you have a plan 0.73

03:22:38.340 to create a parallel society and not a lot of people do a few do i've heard a few guys even 0.97

03:22:43.940 like christopher can't well came up with one where it's like here's how you take over a small town

03:22:47.740 with you and your guys who are your guys maybe people you've met online whatever system you

03:22:53.200 gathered like 10 to 15 people and this is sort of what we were talking about before like how do you

03:22:58.160 create these communities how do you create these online diasporas well that's up to you and what's

03:23:02.440 interesting is that in a lot of ways especially younger people where these kaleidoscopes of

03:23:08.200 identities that all seem to be leveled right now what we're trying to do is rank the importance of

03:23:12.620 them like your ethnicity is one part of your identity then your race as well those two are

03:23:17.500 different but also your religion also you know your homeland like the idea of like you're an

03:23:23.080 irish american do you feel also at home in ireland which is your homeland you need to negotiate that

03:23:29.920 right same thing with any other arab asian whatever it might be then there's your ideology on top of

03:23:36.080 that then there's all these you might call them fandoms some people would dismiss them as fandoms

03:23:41.060 But these are the very distinct and profound ways we kind of identify ourselves and their multitude in this more than any time in the past.

03:23:50.820 So if you're making a community, you've got to figure out which people you align with.

03:23:54.680 But once you do that, you can actually come together and work on a project.

03:24:00.300 And that's what we're talking about right now.

03:24:02.520 It's more real world ideas and maybe a lot of the ideological stuff gets left in the past.

03:24:08.320 However, what we're talking about right now is how will these communities actually work and function because they won't work and function like the 19th and 20th centuries.

03:24:17.860 And we're living in unprecedented times. 0.97

03:24:21.220 And you need to fix that word to the fucking cerebral cortex, unprecedented. 0.98

03:24:26.900 There's things you can take from the past. 0.99

03:24:28.720 I have a lot of pagans who listen to our show, a lot of Christians, a lot of atheists, a lot of different ethnicities.

03:24:34.760 and they they're trying to figure out how to take these anchors that are important to them but adapt

03:24:41.440 them to where they need to be in the future and it involves asking some hard questions but it

03:24:46.900 doesn't involve recreating the past and the ones who are paying attention they're the ones who know

03:24:51.580 that yeah i would agree with that wholeheartedly that we are it everyone is trying to adapt what

03:25:01.020 they think is true good and beautiful to the an age where i i can go on on twitter and i can say 0.91

03:25:08.840 something and some you know jerk off from brazil will say that that's dumb and here's why and 0.55

03:25:14.560 this is also why i tell people time and time again that i think your whole soul bra thing was a very 0.99

03:25:20.640 good point like if he like had like an ugly face or he was he was not jacked that no one would take

03:25:28.160 his his schtick seriously and they would call him a larper because on his instagram he posted a

03:25:34.300 picture of like an eagle with a son and rad it's like everyone knows what you look like now bro

03:25:38.180 like everyone's gonna call you a larper or whatever and that's why i tell people all the

03:25:42.140 time i said listen when you when you turn your phone off at night and you look at the reflection

03:25:45.700 of your face and the screen and you don't like what you see this is time for you to to wake up

03:25:52.640 and to do something you know as saint seraphim rose says it is later than you think therefore

03:25:57.080 are hastened to do the work of god like you you know it is later than you think you know you don't 0.99

03:26:01.720 have to be a fat ugly you know uh piece of garbage to to live your life right and that and again this 0.99

03:26:09.080 is why there has been such a renewed emphasis i don't know if it's entirely feminine or maybe 0.99

03:26:13.840 it's the consequences of living in a more feminized society but you know i think that it is good that

03:26:18.340 people are exchanging health tips or focusing on civilizational questions like children and

03:26:24.740 child rearing i mean the the fact is is that there was a great book that was published

03:26:29.240 in 2019 called empty planet and he was basically saying that most u.n predictions about global

03:26:37.800 population size are wrong and we're actually going to see by the mid 21st centuries like the 2060s

03:26:45.420 that we're going to see a huge drop off in birth rates and we're also going to see a huge decrease

03:26:50.960 and global populations and that the world is going to struggle to how to ram you know square

03:26:57.040 that peg into the round hole yeah and just just to reiterate that for people who always gloss over

03:27:02.740 that point this is a global phenomenon it's not just the west it ain't just white people they're

03:27:08.140 probably going to shrink significantly and they are a global minority but like you're seeing the

03:27:13.260 population start to crater in places that you wouldn't even think of yeah absolutely and i mean

03:27:19.740 this is even something that more mainstream writers and pundits and commentators like peter

03:27:24.860 zyhan for example in his i want to say was 2022 book his newest book that just came out

03:27:29.820 the end of the world is just beginning although i think again he's got that sort of liberal

03:27:35.020 i'm trying really nice not to be mean to the man he has these uh presuppositions where he's just

03:27:40.580 like don't worry america uh we can import infinity migrants and we're going to survive the population

03:27:46.900 crisis despite the fact that even progressives like Philip Koforo are like no that'll actually

03:27:52.120 kill any like sense of like national identity that's left in this country and good luck making

03:27:57.300 that work and I mean you already see the consequences of it now in America and especially

03:28:01.000 in Canada as Trudeau's government has just decided to you know I guess tape a lead pipe to the

03:28:08.840 accelerator and not let go. But the way in which we perceive, to also bring this back to time,

03:28:17.640 we do perceive time differently than I think our non-European, our non-Anglo-American

03:28:25.960 counterparts in that we're fundamentally aware that there is what used to be called the

03:28:33.340 information superhighway. I mean, it's still a highway. It does move faster than your real

03:28:38.740 life uh and i'm reminded and this this is the funny thing this is that marshall mcleughan was

03:28:43.380 a devout catholic until the end of his life and um when you read understanding media like you see him

03:28:50.580 speak very reverently in terms of like any good christian should so when he refers to king david

03:28:56.260 you know he says the psalmist says in psalm you know 115 or 116 depending on your translation

03:29:01.720 um you know about certain things and i think of that too as you know they describe uh i don't

03:29:08.540 remember which psalm it is off the top of my head but you know a thousand years to you oh lord as

03:29:13.500 is yesterday as is a watch in the night you know a comparison to how god sees time or perceives time

03:29:20.200 in human terms that we can understand and we're aware of the fact that a thousand years on the

03:29:28.440 internet as is like three years in real life is to the news cycle like we're still i think dealing

03:29:36.000 with the ramifications of a 24-hour news cycle with cable news and ted turner and cnn but because

03:29:41.980 everyone now is in this self-correcting self-referential feedback loop where it's not

03:29:48.180 just broadcast yourself it's become part of a community be a community leader be a janny in

03:29:54.520 someone's community right you got to earn that little blue wrench if you're if you're a good

03:29:58.400 if you're a good pay piggy or if you're a good janny or you're a good chatter in someone's youtube

03:30:02.160 community or whatever and you are now not broadcasting yourself you are a critic of the

03:30:09.380 community that you are in you are now a self-referential feedback loop of ideas and

03:30:13.580 commentary about who we are as a thing i mean this is why you see all these questions saying

03:30:17.560 like oh the dr is dead long live the dr or how things used to be like a far right fringe right

03:30:23.660 new right old right alternative right dissident right all sorts of things of these like fringe

03:30:29.420 i guess right-wing positions on x y and z issues and because our sense of time and history

03:30:35.640 is so warped i mean this is why you know people make fun of like what they would call old heads

03:30:41.240 or old troons on twitter but those people are actually really important because they're the

03:30:45.760 ones who have any semblance of history of what time was like back then and for instance i had

03:30:51.320 the chance to find and someone had posted it on twitter through the internet archive uh the old

03:30:59.100 archived web pages of thermidor magazine and they had one i know and they had a talk and they had

03:31:07.340 they had um the host of thermidor magazine podcast in campbot literally talk about the immediate

03:31:14.440 aftermath of what happened in charlottesville in 2017 and to listen to them talk about these issues

03:31:22.800 and listen to them talk about optics or appearances and how the media is going to like

03:31:27.240 take advantage of you and again to refer back to the psalter you know or not no i wasn't in the

03:31:33.900 psalter it's in um ecclesi yeah i think it's in ecclesiastes uh nothing new is under the sun what

03:31:39.700 has been shall be you know there's nothing new under the sun and it's like and that's also true

03:31:45.580 in the sense that it also sort of illustrates how we're still dealing with old issues in the 21st

03:31:52.100 century um one of the things that came up on my youtube feed because i like i like norm mcdonald

03:31:58.100 a lot of people do i think he's a funny guy god rest yeah and uh but i started getting clips from

03:32:07.740 old late night television shows and so the johnny carson show has a youtube channel with all these

03:32:13.080 clips and archives of episodes and so it has a johnny carson episode interviewing ronald reagan

03:32:19.620 from 1976 and i said okay let's listen to it and i listened to it and i'm listening to ronald

03:32:25.500 reagan talk about the size of government uh the balancing between states rights how do we deal

03:32:33.640 with the rising Soviet Union in terms of military power in the world stage, but also how we need to

03:32:39.660 decrease the size of government because there are too many people that work inside for the government

03:32:43.660 that will work against anyone running for office who becomes president, but also because those

03:32:49.220 voter bases are now getting so big that if you were to try and do anything to reform the government,

03:32:54.800 they will always shut you down at every turn. So what I'm hearing is foreign policy, civil rights

03:33:00.460 ramifications immigration military foreign policy and the administrative state and i'm like wow

03:33:08.160 nothing has changed in like six years and that goes back to that jim hogan book where it's like

03:33:14.360 the counter culture of the 60s like how like it's almost line for line beat for beat what we've been

03:33:20.840 going through over the past like five to ten years and then you're like we've done this before then

03:33:25.500 what what what happened and then but you're not even aware that that happened everyone thinks

03:33:30.300 their thing is this is the first time i was reading exactly i was reading bob whittaker's

03:33:35.720 the new right papers and i uh and i don't know how many people know who bob whittaker is

03:33:42.320 besides being close friends with uh um sam francis and quite a few others i mean people who were like

03:33:49.400 pro-white and do the whole uh anti-white stuff like the no white guilt guys and all that anyone

03:33:54.200 who's been sort of advocating that there is a distinct ideological, biological, and systematic

03:34:00.020 hatred of white Europeans or European-descended peoples in the West. Bob Whitaker is a big part

03:34:07.580 of that. I mean, he's got his own lovely little hate list thing on the ADL and the SBLC. But

03:34:11.760 in this book, he was talking about all these people that helped get Reagan elected, this new

03:34:16.560 right coalition after years of Democrat control. And one of the things that he was talking about

03:34:21.180 was the use of mailers direct mailers and he's like yeah we bypassed the media by just mailing

03:34:29.020 to these people tens of thousands of people so they got a hold of the real facts and the real

03:34:33.780 issues and it made immediately made me think of nick land in his xenosis essays where he's talking

03:34:40.980 about disintermediation is inherently a bad thing for the cathedral and because it isn't it is it

03:34:48.460 bypasses their forms of standard control. And even then, right, you're like, damn, we've been 0.63

03:34:53.120 doing the same things with different technologies for a very long time. So it really does reiterate 0.82

03:34:58.460 that maybe we haven't adapted to the system fully. I think maybe the closest adaptation

03:35:05.300 or maybe rejigging it to make it work for the 21st century was 2016 and making it work with

03:35:12.980 the whole Twitter and Trump movement and the maggot stuff on Reddit and so on. And that's

03:35:17.860 why everyone is chasing the high of 2016 because everyone could viscerally jack themselves in

03:35:24.840 neuromancer style and be part of the quote-unquote movement which is also why we're literally

03:35:30.000 reliving that entire thing right now again almost line for line i'm like i'm seeing them talk about

03:35:36.260 trump the exact same way as the first time he was running i'm like i've seen this before this

03:35:42.360 entire thing i've seen it right am i wrong like this is trump beat the guy he beat the guy he

03:35:48.740 wasn't supposed to be desantis dropped out who could have seen it i'm like well i mean we kind

03:35:52.480 of saw it before i think with desantis as well like okay we're doing trump again i guess you

03:36:00.220 know um you had mentioned i know you just talked about that with oran mcintyres we don't need to

03:36:04.500 go down the whole uh trump thing but there's a lot you talked about right there i just want to

03:36:08.020 just put a pin in a couple of things and this could be a way we lead into

03:36:13.140 empire and communications. I don't know how long you have to talk,

03:36:16.200 but I know we can cover a lot of stuff very quickly. I want to point out,

03:36:21.420 thank you very much for mentioning McLuhan is the Catholic. However,

03:36:25.420 I will point out that if he was a real Catholic,

03:36:28.280 he wouldn't have quoted the Bible. He wouldn't even be reading the Bible. 0.88

03:36:31.040 contrary to popular belief there's high church tradition types they read the bible quite often

03:36:39.260 yeah but you mentioned also uh seraphim rose who we covered on our show before and uh you know

03:36:45.100 time is shorter than you think there's something very interesting that occurred in with the advent

03:36:51.940 of like christianity but also the western mind that broke us out of the idea of cyclical time

03:36:56.420 which is a more ancient view of time. And that's what makes Christianity so distinct compared to

03:37:01.640 a lot of the more ancient myths. It's that it creates linear time. The death and resurrection

03:37:08.460 of Christ was a one-time event. It's not a cyclical thing that keeps happening. And it's

03:37:13.020 not so far back in history that it's in the ether. Here's the specific date it happened.

03:37:17.480 There's a before that and an after that. And so in the Western mind, we've always had a very,

03:37:24.420 i would say historically unique conceptualization of the end and that's not to say only christians

03:37:30.300 conceptualize that because the vikings also had ragnarok of course there's other cultures that

03:37:35.180 had a sort of a concept of the end times of course but within the western mind we always have like

03:37:41.400 the ultimate final demise that doesn't restart once again it's not like the bhagdavi it's not

03:37:47.900 the the khali yuga the yuga cycle or anything like that there can be a final end and that's

03:37:54.000 why we don't believe in reincarnation and things like that um but what's interesting um is that

03:38:00.620 going back to decadence by jim haugen he talks about the counterculture revolution in contrast

03:38:06.880 to the beats the beats were the previous counterculture and their existential dread was

03:38:13.320 that the america that they despised would last forever whereas with the counterculture they

03:38:18.480 conceptualize a sort of permanent change that was on the horizon some discombobulation this is where

03:38:25.260 the age of aquarius stuff comes in this is where like there's a giant change coming and we're here

03:38:30.460 to shepherd this society to the glorious future of some kind so there was an apocalyptic vision

03:38:37.140 coded in to that conceptualization of the future and what's interesting in our society is we have

03:38:43.580 not only remained with and just evolved that apocalyptic vision we've just multiplied it

03:38:48.940 and so every year we're living within like 20 apocalyptic visions right now from climate change

03:38:56.020 to trump destroying democracy to plastics in your blood like your average citizen is so keenly aware

03:39:01.940 that things are about to end and you know even in the past the boomers like nuclear annihilation

03:39:07.660 we've already accepted nuclear annihilation a zoomer now has factored that in yeah it could

03:39:12.840 be nuclear annihilation or it could be you know another covid there's so many ways the world could

03:39:17.380 end that we just accept that's and and they keep fragmenting in shorter and shorter timelines i

03:39:22.960 think that's that's an interesting modern phenomena to the multiplication of apocalyptic visions

03:39:28.980 and yeah they there is this in and this is very funny to me as someone i i don't understand it

03:39:36.740 because i didn't i grew up with you know sort of like church on on christmas and easter but i mean

03:39:42.240 as a military brat, I didn't really experience Christianity very well unless I went to my

03:39:46.080 grandmother's Baptist church services when we were back in the United States. And even then,

03:39:50.620 I found it profoundly just foreign because I didn't grow up with it. I wasn't enculturated

03:39:55.100 with it. But America, especially, due to its founding and due to the various forms of

03:40:02.660 Christianity that was brought over here, is like the most eschatological country on earth.

03:40:07.700 and so there are so many competing visions of the apocalypse where it even affects people on the

03:40:13.340 right uh you know charles haywood is an excellent example of this where he has the essay about the

03:40:18.240 regime fragility and everyone's got their timeline for collapse and it reminds me of like the

03:40:23.260 millerites and the seventh day adventists about when the world is going to end and of course you

03:40:28.300 have even non-christian ideas of the apocalypse like heaven's gate or so on and so forth and

03:40:32.760 with technology too in the heavens gate website etc um have fun with that youtube algorithm and

03:40:38.180 looking for shit to put a wikipedia debunking note underneath my um video but i i bring that up

03:40:44.760 because to me it's it's so interesting because when i hear those portions of the gospel being 0.64

03:40:49.680 read in church or i read them everyone sort of skips out on the parable of the servants

03:40:55.080 you know where they're talking about when the servant's gonna come back the master wants to

03:41:01.100 see you working you know that christ can come back like a thief in the night you know as it's

03:41:06.620 said and we don't know when he's going to come back to refer back to the psalter right you know

03:41:09.760 a thousand years is is yesterday's a wash in the night and you don't know when he's going to come

03:41:16.060 back and when people say oh there's rumors of wars and there will be wars what does jesus say

03:41:21.320 right afterwards that is not the end and it's uh i just it's frustrating to me because it's just

03:41:26.320 like listen when that stuff hits the fan you're gonna know it um trust me you know any any

03:41:33.620 preliminary reading of revelation from john is gonna tell you real quick you know it when it's

03:41:39.140 coming so don't worry about it and you're told explicitly as christians therefore do not worry

03:41:44.200 about tomorrow um you know tomorrow will worry unto itself sufficient is the day is its own evil

03:41:49.640 but because of how for a variety of reasons on how christianity has its issue not it does have

03:41:55.180 its issues but also it's these different interpretations like america because of its

03:42:00.500 very protestant nature is very eschatological even our like atheist libtards are are are so 0.77

03:42:08.700 focused on like their own versions of revelation like you had said there's there's climate change 0.99

03:42:12.660 there's population collapse there's the the the deforestation there's industrial farming there's

03:42:18.720 microplastics in the balls right and i i had this conversation and i i said this to to meta prime

03:42:24.480 i've recorded a show with him i said listen the guy that invents the technology but gets the 0.98

03:42:29.180 microplastics out of the testicles of every american man is king like whoever that guy's

03:42:34.600 gonna make a ton of money and he's gonna be really rich and people are gonna like you know 0.98

03:42:37.780 kiss the ground he walks on that's a whole other side note but because we're so eschatologically

03:42:42.080 focused in these western discourses because the center of discourse at least for now is america

03:42:47.920 um you know we everyone's got their timeline for collapse and i and i've said this i said

03:42:54.140 your whole, like, Weltanschauung, politically speaking, is entirely, is primal, not entirely,

03:43:02.080 but it is certainly predicated on what your view of collapse is. And that's the biggest thing that

03:43:08.260 I think messes with our perception of time. Because we can see something in the news, right,

03:43:13.040 that, like, becomes a nothing burger. You know, there were people who were thinking,

03:43:18.640 and with good reason, right? Like, the war in Ukraine is an excellent example. You know, 0.99

03:43:22.740 john meersheimer who is a baby boomer and a liberal in a lot of ways you know like he he was

03:43:27.900 pro bernie sanders everybody uh but he was like listen like there are real ways in which this war

03:43:33.300 can escalate that could lead to limited nuclear exchange and and of course if you're someone who

03:43:37.520 grew up in the cold war that's the end of the world to you and we i mean thank god nothing has

03:43:44.340 escalated to the point in that war although there's a few flashpoints where we may have gotten

03:43:48.600 close where no one's decided to turn the keys and press the buttons but those sort of framings for

03:43:55.080 apocalypse added on to our bias in time of communication radically alters our our ability

03:44:06.860 i think to act as good political actors or even rational actors you know how can you be rational

03:44:16.640 if you think that the world is ending or you know that you've got to be prepping and doing more that

03:44:21.400 we're gonna do x y and z like we don't we don't know and so it's i think very hard in these digital

03:44:26.660 spaces to navigate and to listen to people uh often like i listen to people like future conflict

03:44:32.080 or uh gray zone intelligence and stuff like that because i think that those guys are right like

03:44:36.820 the brazilification of america's happening right before my eyes so i should heed their words

03:44:42.800 whereas others are you know in the la la land in some respect they're in their own version of

03:44:48.020 digital elysium where we're going to effectively accelerate and we're going to build the rockets 0.91

03:44:53.020 that leave you swarthoids behind and it's like better hurry you know like good luck you know

03:44:58.860 before the uh fd for the american government sues elon musk again for not being uh diverse enough

03:45:05.280 you mentioned something funny there um about the ukraine war and i know you like me are very very

03:45:10.740 friendly to the neorealist school of geopolitics one thing i noticed is every single person i

03:45:18.060 listened to called the ukraine war wrong like i didn't hear a correct prediction for years

03:45:24.660 but people are saying russia is going to win in a couple weeks or ukraine's going to win a couple

03:45:28.420 weeks everyone's really wrong on our side and no one has analyzed why that might is everyone just

03:45:34.300 keeps cranking out the takes and you had mentioned something a reason there is because and this is

03:45:40.180 where we might get into the book we mentioned first but we haven't even really gotten to yet

03:45:45.280 which is Harold Innes' either of his books but one of them that I reviewed was Empire and

03:45:52.800 Communications and you talked about the dissident right and the way we communicate or the alt-right

03:45:58.840 or this sort of decentralized right we have right now I say dissident right because that's the most

03:46:03.720 accepted term but it also kind of imprisons us on the fringes I don't know if that's on purpose

03:46:09.340 but it kind of works in our favor um i think people like to identify as being the outsider

03:46:14.980 because we have an innately we don't want to be normies right you know there's this it's that

03:46:20.860 tribalization aspect yeah as well but go on i always say if you're on the distant right you

03:46:26.220 have to ask do i want to permanently be a dissident do i permanently want to be on the

03:46:31.500 fringe of society a lot of people would say no a lot of people are just here temporarily

03:46:36.580 severely embarrassed leaders who think that they can achieve status by the levers of power

03:46:43.260 eventually. There's a lot of exiled academics in the space that think they're going to be

03:46:48.380 let back in eventually. But then my argument is that there is a case to be made that people

03:46:54.280 could permanently want to exist on the fringes and not gain that status. Now, the reason is,

03:47:00.460 going to uh innis's empire and communications he talks about the relationship between

03:47:06.720 communication methods and how empire functions and the way i explain this is for anyone who

03:47:14.300 listens to the prudentialist or especially anyone who listens to you on oren mcintyre show

03:47:18.960 you're probably familiar with the concept of elite theory you're probably familiar with the concept

03:47:23.100 of the managerial state so when i draw a schematic of what this looks like or spatialize it i'm like

03:47:28.660 okay you got your center of power at the middle that's the administrative state then you got the

03:47:33.280 next concentric circle around that which is sort of the intermediate powers these might be

03:47:38.740 administrators but these also that's the historically the priest class this is the

03:47:42.640 whole middle area of power the the press and things like that and then on the periphery

03:47:47.500 it's the people and there was always a conflict between the periphery and the center and every

03:47:54.120 civilization or any advanced say you're always going to have this that's that's just the form

03:47:58.400 takes it's not going to be so evenly split like the way i'm painting it right now but there are these

03:48:03.440 zones of influence and what he was saying going back to samaria going back to egypt going back

03:48:08.640 to ancient greece what he found was that there's two types of communication there's communication

03:48:14.560 that is optimized for time and communication that's optimized for space and this is reflected

03:48:20.080 in the media so going back uh back to the advent of papyrus you have the before you know there was

03:48:29.060 the oral cultures before that then there was literate culture so this is usually we're talking

03:48:32.720 about literate cultures like the centers of power they loved carving they loved statues they loved

03:48:37.800 you know writing etching things in stone but on the periphery the people you know where all this

03:48:43.580 spontaneous stuff was happening, they preferred media that that was not optimized for time. So

03:48:50.220 optimized for time means it'll last a long time, you make write things down in ways that have

03:48:54.740 permanence, whereas the people, they communicate in a way that can spread over a long distance,

03:49:00.960 and it degrades faster, but it's it's a bit more fluid and a bit more electric. So that's why they

03:49:07.320 would communicate in papyrus and one or paper papyrus later and then paper it whatever was

03:49:14.560 originated on the fringes the periphery was eventually adopted by the center which demanded

03:49:20.020 that the periphery create a new form of communication now a modern example would be

03:49:26.040 look at the evolution of publishing because there was a time when paper was the purview of the the

03:49:34.880 people the intelligentsia even though the bourgeoisie that was further on the outside

03:49:39.240 to communicate very very fast new ideas yes and it radically altered the media landscape i know

03:49:44.620 you haven't read this book by ennis but he talks about this in the bias of communication where he

03:49:51.420 talks about how the cheap metropolitan like newspapers and there were hundreds dozens of

03:49:57.640 newspapers in one major city alone whereas nowadays they're all owned by six or seven

03:50:02.020 different digital conglomerates but um uh when it came to the invention of the telegraph and

03:50:08.160 the wire you know we talk about the ap newswire we're still referring to the telegraph but he

03:50:12.920 says quote the cheap metropolitan press took full advantage of the invention and extension of the

03:50:18.320 telegraph a rapid prompt supply of news was available and accurate information was provided

03:50:23.680 to meet the demands of the stock and produce exchanges greely said for us really that the

03:50:29.920 The Telegraphic Dispatch is the great point, and the editorials have less influence than in England.

03:50:36.520 The Telegraph compelled newspapers to pool their efforts into collecting and transmitting news.

03:50:40.820 A cooperative service was worked out in 1848 between The Courier, The Inquirer, Tribune, Sun, Herald, Express, Journal of Commerce, which became the basis as we know it today as the Associated Press.

03:50:53.580 The news was sold to the Philadelphia Public Ledger and to the Baltimore Sun, and additional subscribers lowered the cost of operation to New York readers.

03:51:01.840 The extension of the telegraph and an increase of news accentuated the demand for faster presses, the prerequisite of large sales at low prices.

03:51:09.440 In 1852, the New York Tribune installed a six-cylinder press with a capacity of 15,000 sheets per hour.

03:51:16.960 Other plants installed presses up to 10 cylinders with capacities of 25,000 sheets, but the number of presses meant cost of duplication and setting up the type and loss of time. Papers with the largest circulation were compelled to start earlier, omit the latest news, to lose the earliest sales, and to suffer in out-of-town circulation, end quote.

03:51:38.960 Now, how does that not just totally apply if we put that in the digital sense, where we are now, faster, faster, faster, to where now things are just intermediated?

03:51:48.880 And now we're dealing with...

03:51:49.480 That's exactly it.

03:51:51.240 So now it's not just this.

03:51:53.260 And to go back to Innes and his book about empire and control, this is about space-biased communication.

03:52:01.420 So let me quickly tell people what that means.

03:52:04.340 You have two types of forms of biases in communication.

03:52:09.620 You have space-biased and time-biased forms of communication.

03:52:13.100 And this is in the bias of communication, but it's also in empire communications.

03:52:18.280 So time-biased media includes clay or stone tablets, manuscripts,

03:52:22.600 pyrus or parchment, and oral sources and oral traditions.

03:52:26.720 These are intended to carry stories and messages that last for many generations,

03:52:30.740 but reach limited audiences,

03:52:32.620 which is why i think you have such an interest in the written word trying to reclaim that because

03:52:36.940 there is sort of an uh an ethnic bias or a uh just an in-group preference that might exist

03:52:43.320 and a desire for like legacy we want to make things that last a long time that's why everyone

03:52:48.800 wants to publish a book yeah it seems more real to us and i i'm just as biased of this yeah i i

03:52:57.680 will wholly admit that. I think that's why I still buy physical media, but also because,

03:53:03.200 you know, censorship reasons. But anyways, that's what those are. And then there's space

03:53:07.300 biased communications. This is more modern media, radio, television, mass circulation of newspapers

03:53:12.640 and the telegraph that convey information to many people over long distances, short exposure times.

03:53:17.960 Time biased media favors stability, community, tradition and religion. But space biased media

03:53:25.040 can facilitate rapid change, materialism, secularism, and empire. And he says this in

03:53:30.220 Empire Communications, quote, the concepts of time and space reflect the significance of media to

03:53:34.940 civilization. Media that emphasize time are those durable in character, such as parchment, clay,

03:53:39.680 and stone. The heavy materials are suited to the development of architecture and sculpture.

03:53:44.380 Media that emphasize space are apt to be less durable and light in character, such as papyrus

03:53:49.420 and paper. The latter are suited to wide areas of administration and trade. The conquest of Egypt

03:53:54.880 by Rome, gave access to supplies of pyrus, which became the basis of a large administrative empire.

03:54:00.760 Materials that emphasize time favor decentralization and hierarchical types of

03:54:06.920 institutions, which those that emphasize space favor centralization and systems of government

03:54:12.980 less hierarchical in character. Less hierarchical in character and favor centralization. The

03:54:19.200 administrative state. We have, you know, the internet, we have tweets. This is why Trump

03:54:25.740 was so good at Twitter, right? Like he was the president of the United States. He got ahead of

03:54:28.800 the game with the media because he was the main character in that respect. And so this is why I

03:54:35.620 think it's also funny that because we're retribalizing as McLuhan points out, and I think

03:54:39.900 everyone can look at our Twitter spaces and see that we're a bunch of tribes, you know, we're like 0.95

03:54:44.180 monkeys throwing shit at each other across the digital space and our own 0.63

03:54:47.620 respective cages that we're utilizing space biased forms of communication 0.99

03:54:54.320 while still creating communities and tribes with our own oral traditions and

03:54:59.000 lore that have that, again, that, that time biased form of communication.

03:55:02.940 So like we want, we want to people to buy our books.

03:55:05.560 We want people to buy physical, tangible things of ours.

03:55:08.840 Like go buy my mug that you can find at the merch link down below, right?

03:55:11.940 like it was really cool that uh disgraced propagandist has a prudentialist mug and he

03:55:16.180 took a picture of it and tweeted it out i was like oh it's neat someone's got like a real thing

03:55:19.400 and so we our lore our character arcs they're not just televised video game versions of characters

03:55:27.880 and stories for these people who are real people flesh and blood or i would hope that they are if

03:55:32.200 not the bots are really good these days but instead they are trying to be tribal and have

03:55:38.780 an oral tradition that can be conveyed in their videos and who they are and their content but

03:55:43.640 they're utilizing a form of communication that tries to get rid of hierarchy it's very centralized

03:55:48.820 like even though we're dissidents and some people argue in favor of telegram you know you still want

03:55:55.080 to be on twitter you still want to be on youtube because those are the centralized platforms that

03:55:59.100 get the most yeah views and that's where the interesting stuff has happened and something

03:56:03.940 that kind of gets lost in these discussions is while there's communication bias towards time

03:56:09.240 and space you kind of need both for an effective empire civilization and there's a quote here from

03:56:15.060 empire communications um since we're doing quotes it's sorry no no no no but i actually have all

03:56:22.300 these quotes and it's it's dovetailing very well with what i had it says concentration on a medium

03:56:27.600 of communication implies a bias in the cultural development of the civilization concerned

03:56:33.520 either towards an emphasis on space and political organization or towards emphasis on time and

03:56:39.900 religious organization introduction of a second medium tends to check the bias of the first

03:56:45.620 and create conditions suited to the growth of empire and the modern example that you kind of

03:56:50.880 touched on that i was going to talk about before was if you look at the publishing industry the

03:56:55.200 publishing industry used to be this exciting periphery thing now if you think of the publishing

03:56:59.600 industry now what do you think of it it's this static ossified mass with giant walls around

03:57:07.220 i think the same thing about c-span yeah it's not for regular people years ago 30 years ago

03:57:13.660 jared taylor ariana huffington and like you know uh e michael jones could have like respectable

03:57:20.280 conversations about their worldview on c-span uh nowadays i don't think you ever could make that

03:57:26.020 happened exactly and but where's the new stuff coming from it's coming in meme culture and it

03:57:32.360 takes a while for the centers of power to understand that but it eventually tries to

03:57:37.140 absorb it and that's what we've been seeing over the past 10 years or so is the center of power

03:57:42.220 trying to get its arms around this digital space and adopt the technology you're kind of seeing

03:57:47.620 that with crypto too they it took them a while to figure it out but now they're trying to get

03:57:51.760 their arms around and now for us since the discussion is what the future is like we need

03:57:57.820 to figure out how we're gonna what's the next exciting way to communicate that and i know what

03:58:04.120 some people are gonna say they're gonna say urban sure fine i hear you but there's we need to

03:58:09.100 our digital space where we could exist is rapidly becoming hostile towards us and we need to find

03:58:16.640 the next space that we can even have these conversations and we everyone here feels the

03:58:21.280 walls closing in on them right now everyone who's got a sub stack is feeling that now even though

03:58:25.600 i've been calling that for a year or two like don't get comfortable in sub stack the love of

03:58:29.520 god don't get comfortable on the most journalist friendly platform that has ever existed they're

03:58:34.920 going to kick the the cool exciting people off eventually but then we that that's the level we

03:58:40.960 need to figure out that the digital space is being co-opted entirely social media is gone but like

03:58:45.600 what what's a new space and i don't know if we have that answer yet what's the i think i honestly

03:58:51.140 i see more people breaking out in the real world and doing irl meetups and stuff like that seems to

03:58:56.640 be a more exciting space where new things are happening because i think the online space

03:59:02.080 is going to be progressive it's going to be dead soon enough it's going to be completely co-opted

03:59:07.740 and no one's going to want to even be there anymore we're kind of getting a last gasp right

03:59:12.100 now with people you know being able to say edgy things on twitter but even that that seems kind

03:59:17.660 of performative at this point like where's the real stuff happening it's actually not online

03:59:22.340 anymore i don't think and i'm curious to hear what you think about that i mean that's the thing about

03:59:28.160 trying to evolve with the times right like i remember several years ago for instances for

03:59:34.220 like talking about crypto i remember when like facebook before it even changed its name to meta

03:59:39.020 like suckerberg was thinking about like creating its own like sort of facebook coin or currency

03:59:43.000 And it was going to have the backings of all these companies like, you know, with like with MasterCard, Visa and Chase Bank.

03:59:50.280 And like Congress was like, oh, no.

03:59:53.000 And not because they weren't OK with the idea, but I think it's because they wanted to do it for themselves.

03:59:57.720 And that's where we started really seeing the central bank digital currency stuff really emerge.

04:00:02.020 I mean, there's white papers that go back decades prior to that.

04:00:04.240 but still i i think that there is a point to be made that there are people are trying to synthesize

04:00:10.760 the digital and the real right and but also in a way that doesn't explicitly make them targets

04:00:17.080 to the the regime right because they know that if they're trying to do something we're like

04:00:23.260 excuse me like a bunch of quirked up white guys are like trying to start a business or whatever 0.58

04:00:27.660 like they know that like quirked up white boy energy is a bad thing for the regime even if

04:00:33.120 you're just trying to be like we're a competent business of like white males like trying to do

04:00:36.700 an airline service and they're like yeah none of that you know you must yeah anytime there's like

04:00:42.300 five to ten white guys doing a thing like wait what do you what what is this this what are you

04:00:47.480 up to yeah i know um uh and are you making i'm making a new thing that's going to break the

04:00:55.660 paradigm over here well that's my startup culture like i understand why like the the gentleman who's

04:01:01.800 behind the startup state or why like even curtis yarvin like their worldview is the 1990s california

04:01:09.480 ideology where there's like quasi left libertarian techno optimism that like we can create the

04:01:17.120 solutions to the 21st century like that's a very powerful drug if you're if you're a believer into

04:01:24.760 that right like you talk to uh a lot of tech guys in the sector or you read the andreas and horowitz

04:01:32.620 uh techno optimist manifesto it reads like 90s end of the millennium optimism it i love that

04:01:40.820 manifesto on our uh paywall show uh real called real secret coffee hours i go like line by line

04:01:49.000 through that manifesto and just break that you know spoiler alert i'm not a fan because yeah

04:01:55.720 the techno optimist manifesto cites nick land i'm not sure you read him carefully

04:02:02.240 if there's one thing it's like it's like the uh it's like when nick land replied to that one

04:02:07.920 person avid fan of your work clearly a sign of mental illness and it's just like you're citing 0.93

04:02:13.680 me in a techno optimist manifesto clear sign you didn't read my fucking literature and one thing 0.98

04:02:19.340 just uh so people are aware of this you know the book i mentioned called the network state it's 0.86

04:02:24.080 written by that type of guy i understand the intoxication with that worldview because i

04:02:28.240 miss the old internet too i miss when it was just fucking freaks out here i get it but you know he'll

04:02:34.500 say he's the type of guy who says every problem can be solved by the blockchain and i just think

04:02:39.760 there's some things that the blockchain can't solve like we don't need a constitution we'll

04:02:43.980 just figure it out with the blockchain nfts heard about nfts that could be i'm skeptical of a lot of

04:02:50.900 these easy solutions to ancient problems and i think that's where a lot of the startup guys have

04:02:55.740 it's easy tech solutions to problems that have not really been resolved for 2 000 years um it but

04:03:01.940 like i kind of see there is kind of a quirky excitement you know like a lot of people don't

04:03:06.980 like yarvin i actually do even though i vehemently disagree with him on certain things i'm like

04:03:11.680 you know if i if i see him on the tim dylan show that's worlds colliding for me that's an exciting 0.73

04:03:18.300 fucking get you know like i'll listen to him talk i'll listen to i like how curtis just takes any 0.86

04:03:22.640 podcast interview like he'll he'll he'll take interviews with like 500 plus channels or 500 0.99

04:03:29.380 plus sub channels and then he'll be on ethan ralph's kill stream well someone should tell 0.98

04:03:34.100 him that he should respond to my fucking 0.99

04:03:36.060 emails then 0.99

04:03:36.980 that everyone's like, oh, he'll go on

04:03:39.980 every podcast. Well, I'm going to try and not take that personally

04:03:41.860 because he won't come on Blood Satellite

04:03:43.840 and, you know, it's not like I think

04:03:45.860 about it.

04:03:48.320 It sounds like you think about it.

04:03:50.720 No, I'm fine.

04:03:52.700 Everything's fine.

04:03:55.540 Yeah,

04:03:56.080 yeah, yeah.

04:03:57.380 When someone says they're fine, I know that that's

04:03:59.860 never true. That's how I feel

04:04:01.860 when John Mearsheimer doesn't reply to my fucking 0.97

04:04:03.940 emails so i i feel you here's the answer him not responding to him not responding to mine 0.97

04:04:10.840 makes sense it doesn't make sense that he wouldn't respond to yours it kills me because like he's been 0.98

04:04:15.980 on the duran more than once and i'm like just talk to me talk to me you old bastard you know 0.94

04:04:21.220 like it doesn't i'm not i'm fine i'm fine the same way i wish sean i wish sean mcmeekin would 0.88

04:04:26.920 reply to my emails if there's one thing i want people to leave this very inspiring and illuminating

04:04:33.860 podcast with it's we're fine i might i might make the title of the stream when i upload this tomorrow

04:04:42.120 i might just call this i'm fine um with dimes we're we're fine everything's fine that's that's

04:04:48.180 it well it's funny because we've talked about doing a show together like once a month where

04:04:53.700 we would cover isn't just the news but it would be like a something like this right where it has

04:05:00.500 staying power that's what we should call it we're fine that is and i one of the things i wanted to

04:05:06.580 prove because i wanted to prove that i can clean up well because the last time we met it was six

04:05:14.020 hours on a very contentious topic um and i want to be like you know i it is i am able to talk about

04:05:22.200 things without bringing i don't even want to mention it here i don't want to get you in trouble

04:05:25.980 ever mentioned here but it's an odyssey exclusive it's an odyssey exclusive talking about the

04:05:31.040 relationship between two ethnic minorities in the united states you can go find it on odyssey

04:05:35.700 dimes and i read a very fascinating book called what went wrong by a gentleman named murray

04:05:40.300 friedman i will link those in the description if you are also interested and you've made it this

04:05:44.560 far into our into our talk but maybe to to move things back towards the empire direction with

04:05:49.380 harold innis and maybe this could be a good way to wrap up our discussion i think is that

04:05:54.420 we are in this weird sort of imperial i mean we live under an empire and i and i wish that

04:06:00.780 i wish that both parties would admit that we live under an empire and i and i don't mean to like

04:06:07.000 say that in the sort of like third world anti-imperialist sense it's just that if what

04:06:12.800 after reading william appleman williams and everyone should and i've got like two or three

04:06:17.100 streams on williams with like george bagby and reviewing his books by myself that you should

04:06:22.560 listen to and he'll tell you like America has been fundamentally an empire since the beginning

04:06:29.120 and the physical frontier of empire you know when when the when the frontier closed in America with

04:06:36.480 Frederick Jackson Turner's thesis that was so important to like the Americanization of the

04:06:40.800 world that we then we just looked outward and then we started doing a lot of our uh non you

04:06:48.300 know our colonialism and say like the the caribbean or in latin and central america or in east asia 0.55

04:06:54.860 right the open door policy expanding and keeping the door open to china and the boxer rebellion

04:06:58.840 yada yada yada and i'm oversimplifying it because i want people to read those books and to listen

04:07:02.840 to the shows that i've done on them but now that we live in an empire that is digital it is electric

04:07:09.400 It is instantaneous. You're sort of in this electric state of mind where the government at any time can either announce something by tweet or can, you know, accidentally play their hand too much because they do things in tweets.

04:07:27.280 but they also do things in person like the state is trying to figure out how does it exist

04:07:32.600 in the 21st century in the midst of disintermediation in the midst of these

04:07:37.760 semi-permeable online communities that you don't really know for sure what they're doing in real

04:07:42.520 life until you put you know confidential informants or human intelligence in there like

04:07:47.500 the Gretchen Whitmer thing or that like 18 year old like trad cath guy that got in trouble with

04:07:53.300 the fbi a few years like months ago that even rod dreyer was like i can't support this because he

04:07:58.640 said nasty things on the internet so did his dad and um it's a good rod dreyer impression well i

04:08:05.120 just think he's a i you know what i will i will try really hard not to say what i personally think

04:08:09.620 about mr dreyer this isn't the first time he's um called people shitty human beings and helped

04:08:14.620 dox people but he's got a terrible track record and he can go make more international incidents

04:08:20.180 and hungry um he's not my problem and that's that's up to god but anyways that's a guy who's 0.99

04:08:26.020 hungry for a certain type of appendage if you catch my drift yes he likes black dick mr 0.99

04:08:33.520 i'm not wrong but anyways um i'll i'll take the heat for that one but to 0.99

04:08:49.680 to focus back on empire is just that we're all under a i mean like we're under a decentralized

04:08:57.580 system despite the fact that it's centralized this is the thing why everyone like wants to

04:09:03.400 get over yarvin but can't or doesn't like they want to move on from him but they haven't taken

04:09:09.300 the few things from yarvin that i think are pretty good observations uh yes there is the the media

04:09:15.100 plus the academy plus government there's your cathedral right and then you have like the castle

04:09:20.240 and the military etc red government versus blue government outer party versus inner party but

04:09:24.800 the thing about that is that we know there's collusion we know that they coordinate it's not

04:09:31.680 spontaneous and that because they collude and they have and we can we saw this with covid and

04:09:37.320 we're seeing it now with um fanny willis i think one of the prosecutors district attorneys that's

04:09:42.800 going after trump in one of these cases communicating with the biden white house and so like open

04:09:47.420 collusion and it's it's it's not just centralized to one institution but the ideology is centralizing

04:09:56.260 like this is why i think intersectionality is one of the greatest political tools ever because it

04:10:01.700 doesn't matter if you are a single issue voter about like veganism or like ending animal cruelty

04:10:08.020 like that's your deal so you're going to vote for the democrat because they're like pro animal rights

04:10:11.640 or whatever it doesn't matter that you're a single issue pro-animal rights voter because

04:10:18.200 you're on that team and because you've bought into this ideology you are now part of this

04:10:23.640 ideological institution that says yes i'm a single issue voter on this issue but i now have to bow

04:10:34.800 down to the great zimbabwe five times a day i now have to support uh transgender people going

04:10:41.380 into the to the restroom and so on and so forth so i think that that's an important thing to

04:10:46.780 to consider with how powerful the centralized ideology is in this in this digital era

04:10:53.000 there we are so yeah i mean this is why i find the space bias communication of empire works so

04:11:01.540 very well with respects to ideology or what might be called like technique by jacqueline

04:11:07.300 and propaganda is, is that, you know, you don't have one institution, right? It used to be like

04:11:11.940 the king. It used to be the state, the government, the magistrate, the magisterium. Now it's in sort

04:11:17.460 of all encompassing ideology where you have a factions of people that may not agree on

04:11:23.160 everything, but because they're on team progress or team X, they now have to support Y and Z or

04:11:29.280 Z for you Canadians and acknowledge that this is where we're at. And this is how empire is going

04:11:35.880 to be so you know you can talk about gay race communism or call it whatever you want right 1.00

04:11:40.860 like all of a sudden it doesn't matter that like you know Alyssa a nice white liberal woman who 1.00

04:11:46.620 probably wants to have children one day is now like a raging rabid leftist who hates men when

04:11:53.300 she used to just be a single issue voter on say like stop animal abuse what's interesting is I'm

04:12:00.560 reminded of to the point of sort of centralization in a more sort of higher amorphous strata

04:12:09.020 i'm reminded of samuel huntington um and uh his book the end of civilization i think it is

04:12:15.580 um basically talking about how in 21st century you're seeing and this is something that even

04:12:21.280 like richard spencer is talking about this sort of pan-europeanism and east versus west in a

04:12:27.360 broader civilizational sense um kind of represented here as nato but versus the bricks countries but

04:12:35.120 you're seeing national independent states start to coalesce or these larger civilizational

04:12:41.900 identities and that's what you eat like they're you're they're drawn into a different center of

04:12:47.460 gravity just like you're talking about with your single issue you're drawn into the center of

04:12:51.180 gravity of some sort of ideology and i think when we talk about like retribalization like we're

04:12:56.900 trying to figure out how to exist in that same space in the same way that nations are trying to

04:13:02.560 act in supranational ways. Like we talk about Davos culture, which is really just shorthand

04:13:08.860 for like the higher end of Western culture. They're talking about like how is the world is

04:13:14.200 run by the nation state model is still important and the geopolitical rules are still in play.

04:13:19.980 But there's this whole higher strata of decision making that's happening that's decoupled from the

04:13:26.720 nation city while still kind of acting in service of it broadly um and we're trying to figure out

04:13:33.040 how to exist in that upper strata as well to try and decouple ourselves from sort of the 19th and

04:13:38.520 20th century models and but not fall into the center of gravity of some other ideology um i

04:13:45.860 think that's what in a lot of ways we're seeing right now what do you think about that i think

04:13:52.060 there's a lot of truth to that i mean well yes in the sense that i'm thinking of samuel p huntington's

04:13:58.360 clash of civilizations clash of civil that's what is wrong okay okay right that's what i was thinking

04:14:04.360 of as you were talking about like this sounds like huntington's thesis back in 96 and i don't

04:14:09.980 love hunting and i don't i i just find myself returning to that book more than i thought i

04:14:15.180 would i don't agree with everything in the book but i do see something these massive conglomerations

04:14:21.500 that are kind of fueled by diaspora cultures extending out.

04:14:26.400 Well, that's the globalization part, right, with the immigration, too.

04:14:30.160 I mean, this was something that there's like a 19, I want to say 77, 72 interview

04:14:35.320 that Marshall McLuhan did, and he was talking, it's the broadcaster,

04:14:41.160 and I cite it in one of my recent essays.

04:14:43.800 I think it's the one about the Ireland protests.

04:14:46.900 The medium is the weapon.

04:14:48.560 Marshall McLuhan's War is what it's called.

04:14:49.920 and McLuhan is asked like well you know someone I guess maybe it was like a softball question

04:14:54.720 where McLuhan could elaborate but he says you know this global village like do you really think

04:15:00.800 that you know maybe we could bring get to know each other better and come to a better understanding

04:15:05.040 like no you know McLuhan is like no we all get closer together we realize how different we are

04:15:11.140 and we hate each other that interview is so good because you can tell the crowd was against him for

04:15:17.320 a lot of it like he was getting booze during i think it's the same interview we're talking about

04:15:21.700 where he's like surrounded by like uh almost like a stadium of people just going up no this one this

04:15:26.700 one was a this one was a news uh interview but i remember an old black and white one where they

04:15:32.620 talked about the global village and he was basically saying the same thing and it was like 0.92

04:15:36.000 the crowd was like turning on him but he didn't give a shit because i mean good on him for not 0.99

04:15:41.360 giving a shit but no this one this one was a on a television station because they were talking 0.98

04:15:45.500 about the quebec law and the uh you know desire to like leave or at least have their own sort of 0.99

04:15:52.380 separatist uh movement and such but uh i found that so fascinating because he's talking about

04:15:58.780 this back in of course the the late 70s maybe early 80s before he died and it was like phenomenal

04:16:05.960 to hear because it's just like well this is why like twitter can be really interesting right like

04:16:11.140 everyone remembers the you know it smell crazy in their tweet where black twitter and indian twitter

04:16:18.740 had a digital race war and the indians won in part because every like 30 seconds or 90 seconds 0.73

04:16:25.500 an indian logs into the internet for the first time but also because there's just more indians

04:16:30.160 than there are black people on black twitter but it's uh that this happens like every couple months

04:16:35.760 right we're like oh yeah it turns out we all really don't like each other and we're all part

04:16:40.280 of this the global village isn't the global village it's like the the global uh as some

04:16:48.180 people have described it and i kind of like this way of describing it as well as is that twitter

04:16:52.780 and those kinds of social media is a giant clout based pvp server where instead of like you know

04:17:02.200 the winner winner chicken dinner like it's fortnight you're uh you're here to you know ratio

04:17:08.680 the other race the other tribe and so on and so yeah now there's this fight for identity which

04:17:14.800 can be achieved through violence but because our systems are gamified that kind of quote-unquote

04:17:20.820 violence is digitized it's about ratios it's about getting someone to lock their account

04:17:25.980 it's about doxing them which can then lead to actual violence of course and swatting them and

04:17:30.980 so on and getting these people killed so like the but because we're so far removed from actually like

04:17:36.940 choking each other out in the streets or like beating each other with lead pipes or

04:17:41.500 firing weapons at each other we we feel the sense of distance in our in our warfare because it is in

04:17:47.820 these like gamified digital realms and so yeah like these civilizations will emerge right like

04:17:53.360 but also the real world civilizations emerge too with like the third world notion of like

04:17:58.540 based and trad china but also in the real world geopolitically speaking this stuff was also being

04:18:05.000 leveraged by like the soviet union against the united states when it came to like civil rights

04:18:09.780 or the treatment of blacks etc etc and even now in the 21st century because this new technology

04:18:17.880 of the internet and social media and so on is still being used effectively against the state

04:18:23.300 that it doesn't matter what ben shapiro tweets out uh you know jackson hinkle who i'm not a fan of

04:18:30.460 can do like the whole like alert alarm emoji and then say whatever the hell he wants which can be

04:18:37.260 probably bullshit or maybe it's true who knows and then like ratio ben shapiro every day and it's

04:18:42.300 just like this is kind of a weapon and it wouldn't surprise me considering his like x wife or whatever 0.90

04:18:47.440 is russian that maybe he was like a paid agent i'm not going to make that accusation i'm just

04:18:51.500 saying it's a possibility that that could be the case and again you're seeing these civilizational

04:18:57.280 entities utilizing deracinated de-territorialized individuals to wage weird fifth generation 0.81

04:19:07.040 warfare on the internet i mean this is what was the chinese talked about in unrestricted warfare 0.58

04:19:12.060 they're like at a certain point people are complicit in wars that they don't know that

04:19:17.240 they're even enemy combatants of and i mean yeah that book is cool because they call george soros

04:19:21.800 terrorist which is true but they also are pointing out the fact that there may come a point in time

04:19:26.340 in the war in the future somewhere down the line that it might be acceptable to assassinate like a

04:19:32.800 wall street banker or a venture capitalist because they're whether they know it or not

04:19:38.300 a combatant in a war against their country and their people yeah like that's where we're at now

04:19:43.800 yeah absolutely and uh and maybe we could even end on this um it seemed that war historically

04:19:50.500 was fought between warriors which then evolved to warriors can be lurking amongst the populace

04:19:58.500 that was asymmetrical warfare and then the final evolution now is that every single individual is

04:20:05.200 a warrior and then there's this book we covered on the show is about neurotechnology and it was

04:20:12.240 a collection of essays written by academics and intellectuals who are affiliated in some sense

04:20:18.180 So the government or the military, it was very, very straightforward.

04:20:20.960 It was saying like we there's neurotechnology, which means and neurotoxins, which are devices

04:20:26.260 that can enhance or impede human cognitive abilities.

04:20:30.220 So we're talking brain chips.

04:20:31.460 We're also talking toxins.

04:20:32.580 We're talking any form of technology that can boost almost like a mentat from Dune.

04:20:38.620 You know, making can we make a human being into a computer for one specific task and

04:20:43.400 realizing that the entire populations can be weaponized with this technology. So not to get

04:20:51.380 all conspiratorial, but, you know, something like COVID, you know, you don't need a weapon that

04:20:57.440 kills a huge segment of the population like a nuke. You just need everyone, everyone there to

04:21:03.380 get a little bit sicker. Everyone can get three to 10% worse at their job. It's actually way easier

04:21:09.400 to take over or subvert that country.

04:21:11.860 And once you start viewing it from that perspective,

04:21:13.780 you realize, oh, every individual,

04:21:15.940 it doesn't care how unplugged you want to be,

04:21:17.840 is subject to the system.

04:21:19.320 And that is where it connects with McLuhan

04:21:21.460 when he talks about electricity.

04:21:23.780 The extension of our nervous system

04:21:26.160 puts us in contact with everyone simultaneously.

04:21:30.220 And that's why something like this can happen.

04:21:33.180 That's why you can have a thing like a PSYOP.

04:21:35.880 You can have a cognitohazard.

04:21:38.280 You can have a mind virus.

04:21:39.400 because you in a multitude of different ways can be weaponized in the favor of whatever political

04:21:45.620 center of gravity we're talking about right now. And like a great example is the Soviet Union,

04:21:50.500 which you gave, but the Soviet Union is just one example. Imagine how worse it's got. As we've 0.82

04:21:56.120 talked about before, the centers of power have pulled in all these digital techniques and weaponized

04:22:02.280 them. So that's maybe blackpilling. That's scary. But I think those are the questions and concerns

04:22:08.700 we have as we we make use of our de-territorialized space we figure out what the next step is which is

04:22:15.220 really what we're talking about broadly right here like where do we go from here well we're

04:22:19.920 we're involved in a war you know and people oh you're involved in a mind war i'm like yes but

04:22:25.120 really with actual algorithms and toxins that can be introduced to make you literally smarter or

04:22:32.240 dumber or more passive or whatever it might be and and we covered this on the show a long time ago

04:22:38.260 about like this isn't an alien concept in the real world if you look at governments like they 0.96

04:22:44.260 love this because it means you don't have dead bodies they there's no limit to what scientists

04:22:49.560 will develop if it means we can cure war we can fight a war where nobody dies there's people who

04:22:55.900 put their entire lives behind that goal that means hijacking your mind that means giving you strange

04:23:01.300 chemicals that might cause long-term problems but you know what it's not a nuke it doesn't

04:23:05.220 involve women and children being burned in a pit so it's worth it so there's no limit that they

04:23:10.040 will go to but no limit that they won't go to in the interest of not having dead babies but that 0.99

04:23:15.280 includes using your mind as some like fifth generational node in a larger weird fucking 0.92

04:23:21.800 ideological war and that's a weird way to end this conversation but i think it's all connected 0.81

04:23:27.000 i know i i would agree with that wholeheartedly because we are combatants and conflicts that

04:23:33.500 are both state sponsored by our own respective governments but also by foreign agents and

04:23:39.840 entities and i mean this all and this isn't just connected to like the digital stuff but it's also

04:23:44.680 back to the real world like if i recall correctly and i'm going to now quickly double check as i as

04:23:50.880 as i google this um that uh someone like alejandro mayorkas born in havana cuba who is the seventh

04:24:02.000 Secretary of Homeland Security had, if I recall correctly, sat on the board of a particular

04:24:10.980 immigration group. I'm trying to make sure that I know exactly what I'm talking about.

04:24:20.800 Immigration board that he sat on. That he was part of, I want to say like the,

04:24:27.700 um oh what is the one that like is the uh israeli immigration group that everyone

04:24:36.380 likes to to point out just one well i know right but um or maybe it's gonna bother the crap out of

04:24:46.980 me um i'm looking for it right now i am i'm literally typing it up and i'm ruining this

04:24:53.140 whole like flow of conversation because it's gonna bug the shit out of me unless i figure

04:24:56.260 out what it is um for the folks at home israel is a nation state in the middle east that is there

04:25:04.820 we go highest highest the humanitarian aid and advocacy organization which is um a refugee

04:25:11.420 protection program and highest if i recall correctly uh had um once had uh my uh alejandro

04:25:19.800 mayorkas and i'm confirming that right now uh highest their slogan is welcome the stranger

04:25:25.940 protect the refugee it doesn't sound very nice does it yeah i know uh yeah highest congratulates

04:25:31.340 board member alejandro mayorkas on his dhs nomination so there you go um so i was i wasn't

04:25:37.420 completely going off schizobraining here but anyways like it's like those uh those guys last

04:25:44.440 halloween and this is a this was sort of funny where people were were shitting on them they were

04:25:49.200 like passing out copies of like europa the last battle with like popcorn and candy and they were 0.74

04:25:55.520 all like shitting on them because it's like well if you're gonna do that like give them like a

04:25:58.240 full-size candy bar or whatever it's like a four-hour whatever video or whatever but which 0.99

04:26:03.720 i've never seen by the way and i've been told that it's it's not that great but i'm not going to

04:26:07.900 subject myself to watching it when i know that like there are groups out there that are advocating

04:26:11.760 for um more more heterogeneity inside the population because that decreases civic trust 0.74

04:26:18.780 civic participation makes it harder to govern i mean this is why like the chinese will openly 0.94

04:26:23.740 just talk about like well we can sit back and watch america destroy itself with diversity 0.89

04:26:27.720 because it is a weapon and the more that and again this goes back to the post-modern world

04:26:32.300 that we're in where bio power is very much on the table and that there is psychopolitics and

04:26:37.800 psychosecurity that you have to consider because as dimes was saying there are there are cognito

04:26:43.200 There are meme plexes and mind viruses and weapons by a communications technologies that once you know them, it's very hard to try and think coherently. And this is why certain quote unquote questions can wreck your brain very quickly.

04:27:00.540 and we saw this for like regular liberals on on the left trump broke these people they could not

04:27:06.820 believe that a 90s democrat from the night you know who helped with roger stone trash um the

04:27:14.160 2000 uh political campaign run of pat buchanan for president with his little like reform party

04:27:19.940 stints rumors in 2000 uh is now like the reincarnation of adolf hitler like they can't

04:27:27.040 believe it but he was president and they did everything they could to stop him and their

04:27:31.700 minds are still broken by this in this instance and so now trump is very much the we have pat

04:27:37.960 buchanan at home sort of yeah he is we have pat buchanan at home i'd rather have the actual pat

04:27:43.920 buchanan but um god has has told us that we get what we deserve and um i guess we deserve trump

04:27:51.660 And well, Demaestro was right. A people gets the government it deserves. And for me, that just tells me that maybe someone needs to be like Jonah the prophet and tell us Ninevites to repent because I'm really tired of this stuff. I'll put on a sackcloth and repent for 40 days. But please, please, please get me out of this fake and gay world.

04:28:11.380 but as you were saying 1.00

04:28:13.680 to wrap up here we are in a world where

04:28:15.640 these things affect real life just as much as they do

04:28:17.700 the digital but we are in

04:28:19.600 gamified communication systems

04:28:21.720 that have amputated ourselves

04:28:23.720 from the real world while simultaneously

04:28:25.920 plugging us into a much larger

04:28:27.580 environment that

04:28:29.360 we're now in war

04:28:31.240 and unlike the anime or

04:28:33.660 manga or whatever it is like Sword Art Online

04:28:35.740 where people are in like a video game and if they die

04:28:37.560 like they're dead for real

04:28:38.860 unlike that kind of stuff

04:28:41.260 We're plugged into a world where every day there are casualties, both psychological but very real ones, and nations are at risk and civilizations are at risk.

04:28:52.380 And because we're evolving, the challenge that has been laid down before us as regular people, as groups, as ethnos, as whatever you want to identify with, is what of my traditions, my language, my canon, my beliefs, my values, my genes, my name carries on to the next generation?

04:29:16.280 and will it survive the retribalization of the west in an age where you know most of the people

04:29:25.540 we know outside of this online space are functionally illiterate and just want to

04:29:32.300 have a beer and watch their football game that's the that's where we're at yeah and we covered a

04:29:39.440 lot of ground on this episode i hope we gave people a lot to think about um it's very there's

04:29:45.820 a lot we didn't get to cover as well. We only scratched the surface on McLuhan. We only scratched

04:29:50.360 the surface on Harold Innes. And I would encourage people to really pick up and read the books we

04:29:56.860 discussed. You can have a great time reading McLuhan. It's very easy to read. It gets into

04:30:02.620 really kooky metaphysical stuff. It'll give you a lot to think about. You don't need to agree with

04:30:08.440 all of it, but it'll recontextualize a lot of your understanding of what media is. And

04:30:15.440 because we're so adept at looking backwards and trying to contextualize ourselves in our ancestors

04:30:24.400 and previous lifestyles and live in nostalgia. And I don't think a lot of the people who like

04:30:30.660 to think about where we should go next really appreciate how different our minds are and the

04:30:37.800 mindscapes that we're dealing with right now. And I think once we do that, we can actually

04:30:42.000 strategize better because we'll keep you know putting a round peg in a square hole saying why

04:30:47.220 isn't this fitting we keep trying things and they're not working and i think that frustration

04:30:51.900 leads people to burn out um and i'm not saying you know give up on some people say there's no

04:30:57.220 political solution you know i'm not one of those i think every every strategy helps you know but um

04:31:03.400 there's some really mind-bending things that are occurring right now it's easy to sound

04:31:08.920 schizophrenic too but oh yeah but what it's it's it's the what's the first step of having a note

04:31:16.240 of fixing a problem is admitting you have a problem the first thing about acknowledging 0.92

04:31:19.840 that we we live in the hands of an angsty communist gangster computer god is acknowledging 0.61

04:31:24.700 the existence of an angry gangster communist computer god uh to rip from uh mr deck there

04:31:30.900 real quick i i just i think it's true i mean it does sound crazy but i mean let watch like anyone

04:31:37.540 that you know as a personality right how quickly some of them have risen to prominence and have

04:31:42.620 crashed into weird like psychological breaks where they're resentful angry people or they're just

04:31:49.920 part of these like really self-imposed ghettos of existence and that's kind of what we have to deal

04:31:56.880 with in our own world which is why talking about this stuff is important and and yes we will

04:32:02.080 probably maybe i'll come over again on the on blood satellite to talk more about this dimes but

04:32:07.220 I do think that you are right that this is just this is where we live this is where we're at it 0.70

04:32:12.060 does sound schizo it's easy to fall into rabbit holes but do read the books that we've recommended 0.96

04:32:16.660 if you are a patron or a backer of my work financially speaking you will get access to

04:32:21.660 my thoughts and readings on McLuhan's understanding media and as I already said on

04:32:26.960 Substack my plan for for 2024 is to examine this stuff closer because it sounds meta it sounds

04:32:33.580 like we've been engaging in sort of a circle jerk but it's really important to know what kind

04:32:39.680 of world we live in and if we're not acknowledging the basic reality that our media influences us

04:32:47.180 the medium is the message and that we have changed our entire identity onto digital selves

04:32:53.340 what are we even doing if we're not even aware of the impact that has on us

04:32:58.080 let me just say some people might think this is a circle jerk but if you're listening let 1.00

04:33:03.420 me tell you this you're just a jerk in the circle baby um dimes where can people find your your work 0.99

04:33:11.520 and your um your co-host as well on yeah i'd say a bloodsatellite.ca would be the main hub to find 1.00

04:33:20.460 all the show related stuff um i also publish long form writing on a publication i run called

04:33:26.580 a vanguardist journal that's vanguardistjournal.com and we also sell merchandise from blood salate

04:33:34.380 and also some other people that we've partnered with including z-man j burden censored and on

04:33:39.760 many people from our space on a store called the good suffer store that's good suffer.com t-shirts

04:33:46.300 mugs stickers all kinds of things including a book that i wrote of short stories called the

04:33:52.140 colossal corpus of serious gloves um you can find that there anyway that's all the plugs i'm not

04:33:57.820 gonna avalanche you with that but um i also want to say thank you so much for having me this has

04:34:02.860 been once again one of my favorite talks that i've had hey baby i hear the blues are calling

04:34:09.780 tall salads and scrambled eggs

04:34:12.600 and maybe i seem a bit confused yeah maybe but i got you

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Creatine Induced Onlinitis [“engagement I just with him! to whom？”]

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