00:15:59.640And the great thing about a two-year-old is they can't really focus on anything for more than like two minutes, but every kid is interested.
00:16:05.780So they actually kind of naturally take turns.
00:16:08.260And it's honestly, the other thing is those are kind of for the parents, right?
00:16:10.640Because it's essentially a giant remote control car, which is fun.
00:16:13.560And you put your kid in it and buzz them around.
00:18:57.160If you'll recall at the time, there was talk of arson and people lighting the fires in some way.
00:19:03.000If you'll recall, and correct me if I'm wrong, but all we kept getting called was crazy for even implying that it was anything other than climate change.
00:40:22.800It's, I don't want to get into the whole thing, but it is the one thing I'll say, which is so frustrating to me, the people that support UBI, it's just, it's myopic is the main thing.0.97
00:40:31.920You're looking at that, you're narrowing down and zooming in under a microscope, like an, like an idiot and looking at this one benefit.0.92
00:40:39.620And you're not taking the moment to step back and say, how did we get in this position? The people who are offering you this one little scrap, right, are the ones who created the problem. They're the ones who brought the immigrants in. They're the ones who overregulated for 50 years so that Canada's productivity fell behind Americans. I mean, while in a previous generation, it was ahead of them.0.99
00:41:02.640um like are you still there yeah yeah absolutely okay sorry i have my monitor cut it i wasn't sure
00:41:08.560if that anyways um yeah it's like there's there's so many reasons that if you rather than creating
00:41:15.540a new government program for free money there's so many things you could just get rid of like the
00:41:20.760government generally and i mean you don't have to be a libertarian to believe this just look at all0.94
00:41:25.040the like the health care system look at the shit they throw money at like things we just talked0.93
00:41:28.580about hundreds of millions billions of dollars to foreign countries to israel to yemen give to0.99
00:41:34.260fucking ukraine like you don't need ubi man you just need your money back you need to and anyways0.98
00:41:40.920i'm becoming a no no but no that's a larger that's a larger point that's true i was more speaking to1.00
00:41:46.440people who were like yes we're corrupt but at least you know the system's collapsing at least
00:41:51.000we can get some money out of it my message to them was you won't even get that like they'll find a
00:41:56.300way where it's like yeah everything's corrupt let's accelerate let's accelerate and at least
00:42:01.040get our guys paid but don't even count on that it's one of those one of those nuanced things
00:42:05.180like look i get the federal child benefit and the provincial child benefit and i'm thrilled that i
00:42:09.360do i'm glad that i get it i'm not going to say no to it you know i'm not going to burn the check
00:42:13.080but if they were offering it to me like if i was going to vote on it i'd vote against it
00:42:17.100you know what i mean so there's a there's a difference between trying to like supporting
00:42:21.580something before it happens making decision and acting in a way that allows it to happen
00:42:25.660and then once it's already happened you may as well take advantage of it yeah well the ubi0.87
00:42:30.520the reason it bugs me is ubi hasn't fucking happened yet you know it's still it's not too0.80
00:42:35.600late to stop it from happening so you should be actively trying to stop ubi what if they do0.90
00:42:41.040implement it fuck yeah you should use it for everything it's worth but for now it hasn't
00:42:45.480been implemented do not let it happen please every penny that goes into ubi you know it's coming out0.99
00:42:51.160of out of white skin you know it's a fucking works program for browns you know that it will0.99
00:42:56.040it will continue to come out of white labor who are the only ones really propping this up0.99
00:43:00.920that's the thing the whole thing about canadian productivity there's almost no productivity in0.99
00:43:04.240canada like on a general level that's because canadians as white canadians work so fucking0.96
00:43:09.380hard extreme hours with shitty equipment and no technology because there's been no investment here1.00
00:43:13.680in decades and we're essentially getting our asses taxed off so that we can pay for these browns1.00
00:43:18.720Like we are, we are the whites are the economic engine of this whole fucking country. So what do you want us to have more, more to cover for now?0.99
00:43:28.620So if anyone takes a look at a lot of the grants or investment in, let's just take Ontario, for example, if you look into it, you will find a fair amount of investment for manufacturing because the government of Ontario and many other government, provincial governments, they will talk a big talk about wanting to bring manufacturing back.
00:43:47.840And so they'll have a portfolio of maybe a couple of companies, some sheet metal company that they help get going. Right. Or like a doorknob factory in northern Ontario, which are good. But then you realize all of those are hiring immigrants anyway. Yes. And you were telling me not to dox yourself, but you were saying that you're one of the few white guys who works at your organization, which is also run by like an older white guy.
00:44:13.480i it's funny the sad thing is is you can't dox me i can give you all this information and it's
00:44:18.520not dox worthy because it's the entire area but i work in the gta i work at a medium-sized company
00:44:24.780that has a lot of money moving through it and i'm the only white person employed there at at any
00:44:30.480level there's nobody it's a factory so there's no white guys on the factory floor there's i should
00:44:35.180say there are two italians and a greek but these are actual italians like almost not speaking0.97
00:44:39.540english fucking italians and and then up in the upper management it's exclusively muslims muslim0.94
00:44:46.300arabs because the ceo is a muslim arab and i'm certain the only reason he hired me is because0.98
00:44:50.680he couldn't find a muslim arab who had the same qualifications as me it's because they're all1.00
00:44:54.540fucking goat fuckers so i mean that that sucks for him i guess he had to hire a white christian1.00
00:44:59.200guy but fuck yeah and so you know you'll say like oh they're trying to bring work back for canadians1.00
00:45:05.640but all of these older guys like these are older white guys too they're you know i don't want to0.99
00:45:11.680get off on boomers you know i really don't because i'm sure this is evident in every generation but
00:45:17.260i do detect something very pronounced with boomers where many of them seem to prefer immigrants
00:45:25.200because they say they work harder right they say like i need hard workers and no no it's it's0.52
00:45:31.040almost like a vendetta against their own kids it's also insanely false like i don't know how
00:45:37.080anybody can say this with a straight face i think the people that say that are people who have heard
00:45:40.800it third hand and haven't seen it because i've never seen this and i've worked in many factories
00:45:45.340yeah exactly and but and once you talk to these people they're taking something out on their kids
00:45:50.800they say this generation they didn't want to work they saw a commercial or some kind of news program
00:45:55.620about how kids played too much video games these days something like that it's like yeah kids are
00:46:00.180these it's like this generational gripe that they have every generation has it i guess but0.99
00:46:05.640them it seems like the entire reason they're bringing immigrants in is because they got0.99
00:46:10.620beef with their lazy kids and so they're like oh i'm gonna bring in guatemalens because they0.99
00:46:15.760work without sleeping it's like but it i don't know it's shit work and they have to know that0.99
00:46:21.140anyway i don't know if your boss knows that but do you get the sense that your boss knows how0.97
00:46:25.160shitty his employees are well i mean in fairness the guys that are down on the floor my biggest0.98
00:46:33.160problem with them is that they shouldn't be there because they're foreigners they shouldn't even be1.00
00:46:36.940in my country but in fairness most of them are actually they they're good at their jobs but1.00
00:46:42.940they're all in their 50s like they're experienced guys they've been with the company for decades
00:46:46.220some of them so my critique of these guys isn't so much that they're lazy but again the industry0.92
00:46:51.160that i work in this is high skill shit like even our even our guys on the floor are making good0.87
00:46:55.560money because it's it's an artisan craft essentially so there's that um but yeah i mean0.88
00:47:00.700the places that the places like the previous company i'd worked at which was the total opposite
00:47:05.200it was just like scrub scab labor the number of times they hired indian guys and they just1.00
00:47:10.440couldn't keep them because they kept like nearly cutting their fingers off and they had to get rid0.98
00:47:13.900of them because they really are dumb and lazy like i would i only worked there for like nine0.98
00:47:18.740months and while i was there three or four times they hired an indian guy and he was gone within0.99
00:47:22.220a week over like literally safety concerns or just cannot fulfill the role so yeah speaking of which
00:47:29.740uh this is just to add on to the last point um i'm looking at a 4chan thread here it's called
00:47:36.940the jeet shaker i don't know if you saw this but i love it i'm just gonna read it it's a green text0.79
00:47:42.740right so i'm gonna read it line by line he says be me fucking jeet's next door he lives in a0.92
00:47:49.920townhouse with a shared wall jeet's doing jeet things like having fucking fires on their living0.99
00:47:55.040room floor jeetery setting off smoke detector city refuses to do anything three times a day0.95
00:48:02.580the jeet has fires or incense going once a day the jeet will ring bells for 30 minutes at a time
00:48:09.440um so solution here's what it does go on amazon purchase a 40 watt concrete shaker
00:48:17.380uh has a picture here it's like a concrete shaker on a board with a couple of 25 pound
00:48:24.060weights holding it down uh connect a jeet shaker to smart plug research noise laws in city
00:48:31.440noise can't be more frequent than every 60 minutes can't last longer than 10 minutes
00:56:57.480because I've heard about Zardoz for a long time
00:56:59.700and had never seen it a lot of people might have seen the image of young sean connery wearing an
00:57:05.200absurd looking what would you call that like it's like what do you call that what what do you call
00:57:09.480that it's like red underwear with with straps it's not a loincloth there's a word for it it's
00:57:13.460like the type of like wrapped underwear that like a sumo wrestler wears but i forget what you call
00:57:17.140that but he's got that he says you got a loincloth and like leather jack boots and a bandolier
00:57:22.680yeah it's such a great costume of like shotgun shells like draped around him and it's young
00:57:27.580sean connery and you look at that image and that image is passed around and a lot of people like
00:57:31.540oh look at this absurd low budget 70s sci-fi flick um and i wasn't prepared for how impressive
00:57:40.940the movie was i was actually i was really slapped in the face like i went into it thinking that okay
00:57:47.240it's not going to be as bad because nerds love this movie nerds and you know the mystery science
00:57:51.840theater 3000 people they passed around like you gotta see this it's oh it's so ridiculous but i0.64
00:57:56.860didn't think it was ridiculous i didn't think it was not silly i thought it was a really serious0.95
00:58:03.720now look it's on like top level it is silly it's a very silly movie but it's not stupid0.99
00:58:11.040i mean and okay fine it's a little bit stupid but like how do you say that like it's not that0.97
00:58:15.980there isn't anything there there's a lot you can get out of this movie there's a lot to talk about0.96
00:58:20.320and they're you know what they're not fucking wrong i don't disagree with this film i think0.51
00:58:24.480it's a good film i think everybody should watch this i was gonna say i tried to watch this like0.92
00:58:29.160three four years ago i got through the first 10 minutes just with like the head and they're
00:58:32.360spitting the guns out and i'm like i'm not this is gay i'm not watching this and i only watched
00:58:36.300it again recently i think because john talley had put it in the chat he reminded me of it and then
00:58:41.820you saw it and then i think some people like a lot of people in the chat said this is a good movie
00:58:46.140um and you should watch it i'm like you know i'll give it a shot and i'd never seen anything from it
00:58:51.300And like you had said, I watched the first few minutes, and it's like a giant stone head flying through the clouds, and it's belching out guns, shotguns and machine guns, to a bunch of these, like, destitute tribesmen gathered around it worshipping, saying,0.97
01:20:18.520i haven't listened to it yet either so i don't know what i'm gonna put in there
01:20:24.140um also just a reminder that people can go to good suffer.com to uh buy uh the book the
01:20:34.380colossal corpus of serious gloves that is a collection of short stories horror and sci-fi
01:20:39.980buy that there we still have some hats left the blood official artisan design hats we have a few
01:20:47.120of the logos left we have a few of the other design that's a bit more esoteric and weird
01:20:51.540those are still selling out so you know go and pick that up whenever you get the chance
01:20:56.020and we're going to have another real secret coffee hours on the paywall show up next week
01:21:02.460so if you want to subscribe to the paywall that's five dollars a month you'll get all 10 episodes
01:21:07.560of our exclusive paywall show real secret coffee hours the next one is going to be really fun
01:21:12.480we're discussing a countercurrents article that was uh on the epstein files basically making the
01:21:19.720case that the epstein files were not blackmail so that'll be a fun one anyway uh that covers that
01:21:27.960Now, moving on, there is one, before we move on to the book, there's one article that we kind of touched on previously, but you have some thoughts on this.
01:21:37.660And we were discussing this all day in our community.
01:21:41.320There was recently released a study that shows that people with big families are having bigger families despite the birth rate dropping.
01:21:52.400So everyone's heard that the birth rate decline.
01:21:54.720And I'm looking at a video right now from Truthstream Media on YouTube titled, We Are No Longer Replacing Ourselves.
01:22:02.980And this is just one of many videos that's ringing the alarm bells that the birth rates are down, replacement levels are down.
01:22:10.240That's one of the reasons they talk about replacement migration, because we've got to get those numbers up, because no one's having kids.
01:22:15.100But this was an interesting study that says only certain people aren't having kids.
01:22:20.200but the ones who are having kids and having a lot of kids are having more kids now you had some
01:22:27.380opinions on this i just wanted to maybe pass it to you about i did your thoughts on this so i've
01:22:32.320had i've hashed this out with a couple of the guys some of the guys don't like this or disagree
01:22:36.260with it and by the way see if you can get closer to the mic just to be sure hello here i am um
01:22:41.920the the for me the takeaway the reason that i really latched onto this and look i haven't
01:22:46.680memorized all the data but i really this really sunk into my head and it changed my understanding
01:22:52.440previously i'd heard about this tfr problem the fertility collapse we've been talking about it
01:22:58.720for years right and i'd always thought of it in the context of total fertility is the statistic
01:23:04.520which is represented evenly across the whole nation and as it falls you could generally expect
01:23:09.660to see it fall in your community anecdotally roughly to the same level as it's falling
01:23:14.320nationwide, which is an assumption. And in retrospect, it's a silly assumption. What this0.84
01:23:20.040study is saying, essentially, there's types of people. There's the type of people who their
01:23:26.620decision-making process leads them to have one or two kids. And there's types of people who their
01:23:32.680decision-making process leads them to have three or four kids. By which I mean, say, 30 years ago
01:23:38.060or 50 years ago when times were better, right? So just for the sake of argument, I'm going to say
01:23:43.320the people that have one or two kids are a little more focused on, you know, the stability and of
01:23:48.180their wealth and maybe their household and their job. Maybe they're a little more urban. This is
01:23:53.160all just assumptions. And maybe the people who have more kids are the ones who are a little bit
01:23:57.620more about family, maybe a little more about faith. They might be Catholic. Look, they might
01:24:01.680be Muslim. They might be brown, right? But the point is, is the way that they organize their1.00
01:24:05.720priorities as a family is more about children and less about wealth. When you have stress and people
01:24:12.800have to choose there is actually an impetus not a very big one and it's only in a narrow class of
01:24:18.840people but there is an impetus for people to have more kids when under stress whereas most people
01:24:25.060have less kids when they're under stress and it seems to be that's the case that's what's happening0.99
01:24:29.600right now you have like and again i'm just i'm shitting numbers out of my ass but let's say0.98
01:24:34.320three percent of the population who are the type of person that in a normal society would have four0.99
01:24:39.880kids. They're now having seven. And then everybody else who normally has one or two, they're having
01:24:46.380none. So yes, total fertility is dropping, but there's a tiny subset of narrow specific people
01:24:54.380who are actually having more kids as a result of the same stimuli that's causing everybody else to
01:25:00.180have less kids. And that was so like it, when you, again, when you think about it, it makes sense.
01:25:04.740We talk about, about corporate families, you're returning to the tradition of the clan. And that the reason that our ancestors had huge families, or at least tried to was infant mortality was extremely hard times. And in hard times, you have as many kids as you can, in order for your bloodline to survive. And the the the takeaway there is those people were thinking more about their bloodline than they were about how much money is in their TFSA. Right?
01:25:31.020so we do still have people like that alive today who don't give a fuck about the tfsa they care0.97
01:25:35.900about their blood i was talking at the very beginning of the show about my dad's side of0.94
01:25:38.840the family i have like 25 cousins i have five aunts and uncles and they died penniless my
01:25:45.940grandparents why because everything for them was the clan and even building the clan larger they're
01:25:51.200too old to have more kids so they're pulling other people's kids into the family they're
01:25:54.580moving them in for free like this that's the way that those people look at it my dad's side of the
01:26:00.660family were those people so like they they do exist and i know a lot of guys look at this and
01:26:05.960they're like no this can't be true it is true if you haven't seen it that's not weird necessarily
01:26:11.360especially if you live in a city because these people are very rare and they tend to not really
01:26:15.080live in cities mostly because the economic argument against having kids is true especially0.93
01:26:20.740if you live in a city you can't even do this you can't have six kids in fucking toronto right now
01:26:25.300so yeah it's interesting to look at it this way because when people hear about0.96
01:26:29.740families and birth rates dropping i think the prejudice a lot of people have is they imagine
01:26:36.580everyone having the same family or they would imagine the nuclear family like people were
01:26:40.440having 2.5 kids and now they're not but if you really think about it or even look at the numbers
01:26:45.200that was never the case there was always some families have tons of kids some and then there's
01:26:50.060this substrata that has one or two and you had mentioned them before and i was speculating and
01:26:55.520this isn't outlined in the article uh the the study that we're actually referring to is in d status
01:27:01.860um the rates of childish childlessness um there's a whole archive of data here but you know there is
01:27:10.180this strata of people who would only ever have one kid now these could be single mothers these could
01:27:15.520be accidental births a lot of these are just like accidents right people not interested in having
01:27:20.940kids and they just happen to have one and they're doing their best with it but they're not trying
01:27:26.720or they're taking every effort not to have more kids those people are very easy to go down to zero
01:27:31.380so it's easy to go from one or two down to zero whereas it's easy for three or four what we're
01:27:39.380seeing is that they're having more five six seven eight um and i think you had said that it's like
01:27:43.940three and up is the dividing line there is that correct i mean i i don't remember the numbers
01:27:51.220anecdotally in my life it's more like four like three is kind of the middle like i still see
01:27:57.540families with three and they to me it's families with three that i know are like the stable ones
01:28:02.760and families with four and more as much as we want to be on the side of like big clans and families
01:28:08.560all the families that i personally know who have four or more kids have serious serious issues
01:28:13.640either their extreme poverty alcoholism problems with the kids but regardless you have to look at0.99
01:28:20.040that and say here's somebody who given all of their problems still decided to have nine fucking0.96
01:28:24.980kids like the point is is you can't deny don't deny that these people exist just because you0.99
01:28:30.480personally have a strong argument against having kids because you're poor right there's poor poors0.99
01:28:35.700out there that are having nine kids and they're not even collecting the federal money it's just1.00
01:28:39.280like maybe they're catholic it's just a thing that they do so yeah and consider that there is
01:28:43.820another strat of people who are having many many kids and they're doing it because they are rich
01:28:49.380and i'm thinking of like elon musk's yeah you know they're just and it seems that at that level
01:28:54.940you aren't doing it because it's accidental you are on some technocratic wavelength where you
01:29:01.280you believe and like like if you're that rich and that educated you're probably having nine kids
01:29:07.100because you're building an army yeah like i just don't think it's because you like0.99
01:29:11.340hey why not why not and especially like el musk it's like with different types of women too like
01:29:16.660he's min maxing his kids and trying to like figure out the genetic weighted and pitting them against
01:29:22.700each other i would say he's diversifying because if i have a kid with a woman in every country on
01:29:28.160earth then we're good which is a very in my opinion white guy way of thinking about it
01:29:34.220because everyone talks about you know race mixing i'm not going to stand on the side of race mixing
01:29:38.760but i'm like traditionally if you were like a wealthy white man you'd have a kid in every type
01:29:45.120of country you went to like it wasn't uncommon to like rape your way across the world and here's why0.54
01:29:51.700that's a good thing uh the the old the british man the british man with the big mustache and the
01:30:01.920explorer had if you gave him the power of supersonic flight and amphetamines that is the
01:30:10.560the soul of the anglo back back in the day when the biggest sexpats were officers in the east
01:30:16.960india trading company you know the monocle guys the monocle guys yeah that sort of thinking
01:30:23.440tied into a book that i had read recently um it's a book that i found deeply fascinating i wasn't
01:30:30.780completely sold on it when i went into it it was recommended to me by some people we know i think
01:30:35.540it might have been theron a friend of mine i recommended it and a lot of people were bringing
01:30:39.780it up and um so the book is titled the structural transformation of the public sphere by jorgen
01:30:49.420habermas and i've mentioned this before i think on a live stream where i mentioned it very much
01:30:53.820in passing but it sat very top of mind to me and it might have been a bit more comfortably
01:31:00.600placed when we were discussing our secret societies and decentralized networks and things
01:31:06.280like that. But, you know, the book, it's a bit of a tough read, but I found my way of thinking
01:31:14.560changing more than I anticipated as I was reading it. Now, what the book is really about, in short,
01:31:20.940if I could summarize it best, it's the story of the creation of the bourgeoisie. Now, that's a
01:31:26.940marxist term but when we talk about bourgeoisie even in like old literature like this it's not
01:31:32.520like the cartoon version of communists we hear now and as we've said in the past there's a lot
01:31:37.780of interesting concepts that are found within you know marxist investigations that i think are
01:31:43.960worthwhile and one of them is a bourgeoisie and that's a scary word to a lot of people but
01:31:48.600i do think this thing called the bourgeoisie exists but i don't think it exists the same way
01:31:55.480that it's what do you mean i'm just i'm just being a dick i get dinged all the time for using the0.97
01:32:00.160word class but i think class is a real distinction i really do i don't give a fuck whether the0.97
01:32:05.320marxists invented it or not i think class is actually a thing the bourgeoisie are real you
01:32:11.540don't have to hate them they can be cool but like don't act like there's no no subcultural
01:32:16.100distinctions within our society come on yeah and what's interesting is he traces the history of
01:32:21.340the bourgeoisie and he defines it very specifically and i think this is where some people get lost
01:32:25.520is they hear bourgeoisie and they think of sort of the modern conservative definition of it's like
01:32:30.200oh you just hate rich people bourgeoisie just means the rich the people who have money it's
01:32:35.460not really not the way habermas defines it the bourgeoisie are a very specific class
01:32:41.280because you would say the bourgeoisie is that the aristocratic class it's like no because he goes
01:32:46.380back to middle ages he goes back to feudal societies and tracks the emergence of this
01:32:52.740bourgeois class within that society and it wasn't the aristocratic class it wasn't the nobles
01:32:58.020and it wasn't just people with money it was this very distinct sort of intelligentsia and i'm kind
01:33:04.960of jumping ahead here but the bourgeoisie as he defines it if i could explain it it's like
01:33:08.800the regular people as we you wouldn't have known them as citizens back then like we know them now
01:33:14.840but they would be like sort of the underclass rising up to the level of the aristocrats and
01:33:21.860kind of existing between them. It was sort of an educated, more well-moneyed, you know,
01:33:27.480regular feudal class, but they could exist in closer proximity to the aristocratic class and
01:33:33.780kind of interface with them. The burgeoning network of intellectuals, men of letters,
01:33:39.320newspaper proprietors, pamphleteers that debated and decided, gave birth to what JĂĽrgen Habermas
01:33:45.800called the public sphere. Before polling and mass communication, what the public wanted was largely
01:33:52.120defined by this network with reference to history, philosophy and the politics of the time.
01:33:58.200Rather than this oppressive force that people would see the bourgeoisie had, it's like they
01:34:02.040were of the people and as you track their evolution and development across time you
01:34:08.600You kind of see them become separated from the people.
01:34:10.580But the story of the bourgeois class was originally just like educated money people, but were
01:34:15.320operating within the interests of the lower classes who couldn't actually advocate for0.99
01:34:20.440themselves because many of them weren't even fucking literate.0.97
02:24:03.540there are efforts to multiculturalize Eastern Europe.
02:24:09.940Of course, Hungary is a well-known example
02:24:13.480from the mass media is often talking about Hungary
02:24:17.220because Hungary is resisting globalization
02:24:20.000or resisting mass immigration, EU mass immigration policies and so on.
02:24:26.220The EU is withholding money from Hungary because Hungary does not comply
02:24:33.820with all the directives, the orders from the EU and other sort of international bodies
02:24:39.320to accept mass immigration the same way that Western Europe has.
02:24:44.040So in a sense, there is an effort through international organizations and institutions like the EU and so on to push for westernization of Eastern European countries.
02:24:59.960And some of them have made serious steps in that direction.
02:25:05.160But at the same time, the silver lining, I guess, of the civilizational clash that we're seeing now between the West and NATO and Russia is that the border countries sort of, they see the reality of this struggle.
02:25:27.180Because, of course, the Baltic states and the other countries in Eastern Europe, they were occupied by the Soviet Union and by Russia only 30 years ago.
02:25:36.580So they are very conscious of their national identity and the fact that you actually have to fight for your national identity, that nothing is given to you for free and so on.
02:25:50.440So they're very much aware of that. And also, there have been, you know, in the Cold War and so on, there were and afterwards, there have been efforts also by the West to sort of look the other way or somewhat encourage a national feeling in those Eastern European countries, because they are sort of a buffer zone between the West and Russia.
02:26:19.260And so there's this bizarre inversion of rhetoric between the West and Russia when talking about Eastern Europe, because, you know, Russia with Russia today and so on, they will criticize the West and saying that your leaders have abandoned you, they have opened up the doors for mass immigration, replacing you and so on, criticizing that.
02:26:42.840Well, at the same time, when they talk about Eastern Europe, they will say, you're Nazi, you don't accept immigration, you don't accept these sort of international values and so on.
02:26:56.200And the West does exactly the same thing in reverse, of course, saying that the Western countries should accept mass immigration, for example, whereas Eastern European countries, it's very important that they remain what they are, that they defend their national sovereignty and so on.
02:27:17.180So there's my point here is that with regard to Eastern Europe, there's great hypocrisy, both on the part of on the Russian side and on the Western side.0.52
02:27:27.800So I think they have sort of indirectly been given a free pass, at least for now.
02:27:35.880But at the same time, there are efforts as well to make them sort of westernized in that respect with mass immigration and so on.
02:27:44.820It seems like Poland is now being liberalized.
02:27:49.540There's a lot of pressure on Hungary to comply with EU mass immigration.
02:27:56.440The Baltic states are still very good, but they're very small countries.
02:28:01.480And of course, with very small countries, it doesn't take so much to change them dramatically.
02:28:08.240A country like America, for example, with 350 million people, it takes a lot of effort, takes a lot of time to change it completely, whereas a country with one and a half million people, like a small Baltic country, it doesn't take all that much to transform it drastically.
02:28:27.900So they're vulnerable at the same time.
02:28:30.060that's a very comprehensive answer and um i was going to get to this a bit later but i guess we'll
02:28:36.600get into it now because it's very interesting that um i'll start by saying that within our
02:28:41.840space within our political milieu you've taken a bit of a i wouldn't call it an anti-russian stance
02:28:47.940but at the very least a rash a skeptic stance which for a time especially last year was not
02:28:52.860popular in this space and i was i remember i saw you on millennial last year and i was looking
02:28:58.060through the comment section there was like this guy's so wrong about russia this guy's so got the
02:29:02.580wrong idea because there's a lot of people in the space uh when looking at the russia ukraine war
02:29:09.100were vehemently pro-russia because to them russia represented anti-imperialism or anti-zog there's a
02:29:18.580bunch of different names but they were electing russia as sort of the some almost like a populist
02:29:24.420hero against Western imperialism. But we on the show have always taken a pretty,
02:29:32.240when I say amoral, I just mean non-sensationalist, sort of neorealist stance. And over the course of
02:29:38.480the past year, we covered a lot of neorealist books like The Heartland Theory by Halford
02:29:44.200Mackinder and Hans Morgenthau, and kind of looking at the geopolitical realities of that region.
02:29:51.920And in fact, I'm publishing an article in the Vanguardist Journal soon that really summarizes a lot of this, point being that Eastern Europe presents a very fascinating sort of tract of land on the globe that even though it's been hotly contested for centuries, people don't really look at it like that.
02:30:10.840They just keep wondering why Ukraine keeps getting invaded.
02:30:13.080In fact, we had covered the rise of Ukrainian nationalism. This would have been last year. We covered this book called Gates of Europe. It's pretty interesting about the history of Ukraine going back to the Rus and then right up until the present day and following that intellectual movement.
02:30:28.260Because a lot of people think like Ukrainian nationalism is like a spook by the American government.
02:30:34.080And it's not right. But and but that's why I find that that stuff interesting.
02:30:39.460And I look at it when we talk about what's going on in Eastern Europe.
02:30:44.200You know, I always try and tell people, like, don't view Russia as your friend.
02:30:49.220Like you kind of gave a good example there where Russia will say one thing like, oh, these are the good guys here.
02:30:55.100It's like, no, they're they're calling everyone Nazis, too.
02:30:57.400they're advocating for mass migration too they're doing like they're not they're not that different
02:31:03.500than america in their geopolitical goals and this entire um pivot area is always kind of being
02:31:11.620pulled in the into the gravitational pulls of east versus west and that's what i find interesting
02:31:17.800it's been happening for like i said centuries and watching the nationalist movement some of them
02:31:23.700are organic some of them are surely funded from the outside like all nationalist movements are
02:31:29.360at one point or another but um that's i'm just kind of expressing where we come from where we're
02:31:34.200not the you know vehemently pro-russian people and i think people ought to treat uh russia with
02:31:40.800skepticism at the very least and i was wondering if you wanted to um go into that a bit more
02:31:45.640specifically because i know from where you hail from i think a lot of people look at russia
02:31:51.260from a north american perspective and they don't look at russia from the perspective of its neighbor
02:31:56.420of someone that might be geographically closer to russia and have a far different history with that
02:32:04.400you know eurasian land mass i was wondering if you'd like to maybe dive into what it's been like
02:32:09.880taking that perception within the broad distant right and maybe just explain your uh thoughts on
02:32:16.000I know I just gave you a lot of stuff there, but I'm just curious.
02:32:20.320Yeah, I know that that is a good question. And it's been, you know, an important, the central
02:32:26.720topic over the last two years, almost since Russia invaded Ukraine on a full-scale invasion on
02:32:34.400February 24th, 2022. Of course, by that time, it had already been going on, the conflict or the
02:32:43.120war in Eastern Ukraine for eight years. So we're now talking about 10 years. And so it didn't
02:32:51.080really start two years ago. I think that's important to keep in mind as well. But it did
02:32:59.140dramatically change two years ago. I think the reactions are understandable, although it's been
02:33:06.780frustrating to deal with some of the reactions because a lot of right-wing thought and sort of
02:33:16.640the remnants or the heirs of the alt-right and sort of the online, the e-right or whatever you
02:33:26.900want to call it, is sort of grievance politics or grievance talking points. It's sort of people
02:33:33.200are angry and it's not very constructive usually a lot of the talk is kind of destructive really
02:33:40.440they they want to criticize things and uh the american point of view uh from my perspective
02:33:49.340has been a lot of naval gazing they've they've been talking about the war in ukraine but they
02:33:55.620haven't been talking about ukraine they've been talking about america but the war is in ukraine
02:34:00.600and so you know when people talk about a war in ukraine on the other side of the planet
02:34:06.720and then they just talk about sort of american politics it's sort of like they just want to say
02:34:14.080screw you dad to their own government and they don't really care about the actual war so you
02:34:19.880have to sort of take this seriously as as a war as a real this is not a theoretical discussion
02:34:27.180This is an actual war with hundreds of thousands of casualties.
02:38:58.580because this is the biggest country in Europe that is being invaded and attacked by Russia.
02:39:05.640And for America, it's about NATO, of course,
02:39:10.920because in the global civilizational struggle between empires,
02:39:17.800strength is important and weakness is extremely dangerous.
02:39:21.800So if you see something like this happen and you don't respond forcefully,
02:39:26.500then that's a sign of weakness and other countries are going to see that as a sign of weakness
02:39:32.220and they are not going to be reluctant about exploiting that weakness so it's of course very
02:39:38.880dangerous so for america it is mostly about you know uh getting russia to spend a lot of resources
02:39:46.580in Ukraine, weakening Russia as a rival power, but also defending or living up to its obligations
02:39:56.600as a NATO country. Because if America and NATO and the West fail to show its teeth when something
02:40:07.740like this happens, then that's going to be seen as a clear sign of weakness by the rest of the
02:40:13.240world, and that's going to be a very dangerous situation. So for both sides, really, this is
02:40:20.880about saving face from, you know, the global geopolitical point of view. And of course,
02:40:28.340for Europeans, there's a lot of frustration and grievance in Eastern Europe because of the
02:40:36.700previous relationship with Russia. So I can understand that it is a different thing for
02:40:46.360Europeans and Americans, but it's an issue that shouldn't be likely dismissed.
02:40:52.960Yeah, I was always interested in whether or not the Russian interest in Eastern Europe was more
02:40:58.760of a perennial issue, because there's this great book by John Ladon called The Russian Empire in
02:41:06.120the world that was tracking the era of russian imperialism from 1700 right up until the first
02:41:11.960world war and this ties into heartland theory and the geopolitical aspect we were talking about
02:41:17.080before which is again amoral it's just it's not trying to assign a bad guy or a good guy it's not
02:41:23.160trying to address who started what it's saying here are the territorial realities and that you
02:41:29.960know, Russia might have a consistent interest in having, and this is where Finland would come in,
02:41:36.200having better access to the Baltic Sea. Or in the case of Ukraine, not so much anymore because of,
02:41:42.520I think Russia extends there, but having better access to the Black Sea and therefore Turkey.
02:41:47.220And they said that was what inspired a lot of Russian expansion in the past. And you had
02:41:52.640mentioned a good point there about the Russian mind or the Russian civilization, which is
02:41:59.040very distinct from the Western or European civilization. I think a lot of people recognize
02:42:03.960that. But in this book specifically, I think you trace the history of the Russian mind as sort of
02:42:09.860the synthesis of, on one hand, the Byzantine Empire, on the other hand, the golden horde of
02:42:17.820Genghis Khan, which isn't an insult in any way. It's just a very distinct sort of background,
02:42:24.040which is not shared by France or Spain.
02:42:28.020But that's why, you know, Finland might be more concerned about this than France.
02:42:33.940And why, you know, Latvia, Lithuania, all these other Eastern European countries,
02:42:38.840I was always wondering, like, how much of a danger do they see Russia?
02:42:43.920Not even as, because, you know, the story that they tell in the West is that Putin,
02:42:47.880I was reading an article just the other day, and I was covering,
02:42:51.220I'm going to cover it for the paywall show that I do.
02:42:54.040But it was an article written in the tablet magazine, and it was like against John Mearsheimer, who is who's also been out there saying, like, look, there's a straight geopolitical calculus you could run for why Russia is interested in Ukraine and why Russia would try and push back against NATO, whatever it might be.
02:43:13.500but um he was saying that um that the narrative is that putin's just insane he's just an insane
02:43:23.200hitler like everyone has to come back to hitler there's just a whole row of hitlers throughout1.00
02:43:27.720history and then sometimes there's just a crazy asshole who takes charge we have to take control1.00
02:43:32.440we have to get that crazy asshole whereas everyone else is like okay maybe there's a more complicated0.99
02:43:37.860reason why this might be happening which i think you accurately just outlined there0.99
02:43:43.500But you always have to tiptoe around this stuff very fast because people get very invested and passionate about this topic.
02:43:50.880Although, and I'm wondering what you think about this, it's kind of interesting how the Ukraine war has been shuffled off of the headlines recently.
02:43:59.720Like no one's, no one over here in Canada or the US, as far as I know, is really talking about the war anymore.
02:44:06.340It's still going on, but we just found other stuff to talk about.
02:44:10.920And that's just an interesting world to live in.
02:51:53.320They're not spreading propaganda through media and social media and so on.
02:51:57.600They dismiss that as paranoid delusions, but they think that a nuclear war is likely.
02:52:03.280So, I mean, a propaganda war surely comes a few steps before there is a nuclear war.
02:52:08.640So I think people have just been pretty irrational about this whole situation.
02:52:12.680Yeah, you said a couple of really important things there. And I want to just add on to that when you'd mentioned the infiltration by Russia and Iran. In Canada, we're dealing with that right now, too. And a lot of those nations, the BRICS nations are in various concerts and leagues.
02:52:31.820within Canada, we're dealing with China. We cover this on our show through a series of articles and
02:52:38.440books that paint a very grim picture of how the Canadian government, the Canadian business sector
02:52:44.440has been infiltrated by the Chinese Communist Party in a couple of different forms. One is
02:52:49.820through organized crime and one is through the Communist Party itself. And the story of that is
02:52:55.000long, and I won't get into it right now, but basically, long story short, with Justin Trudeau's
02:53:01.980father, Pierre Elliott Trudeau, who's a former prime minister, he actually brokered, very
02:53:07.400aggressively brokered a deal with Maoist China when Mao was still alive, because Canada just
02:53:12.520wanted its own trade deal with China to kind of like stick it to the Americans. And that started
02:53:18.020a relationship with China that continues to this day. And the entire Canadian apparatus has been
02:53:23.660infiltrated by Chinese student groups, which are very popular in communist societies for0.81
02:53:30.440infiltration, actual just paid agents, but most importantly, is the triads. And to start,0.88
02:53:38.800you have to understand that the Hong Kong triads work hand in glove with the Chinese
02:53:43.360Communist Party. There is no real separation between these international cartels and the
02:53:48.880communist party oftentimes they meet together and um the big story is that the the chinese triads
02:53:56.040from the 90s up until now were responsible for something like 95 percent of fentanyl production
02:54:02.260in north america so if anyone knows about someone who's got a problem with fentanyl that's because0.98
02:54:07.140the fucking chinese communist party was directly involved how do we know this because the triads0.97
02:54:12.120would have to synthetically make it in factories that were owned by the chinese government so0.99
02:54:17.740they're you know once again working hand in glove with their so point being that um the infiltration
02:54:23.640in canada can occur through money laundering underground banks and also this will lead to
02:54:29.540the point you had just talked about novel forms of warfare and this is something we're once again
02:54:34.940talk about in my article but uh when people think about warfare they think of a hot war troops on
02:54:39.900the ground and whatnot and of course that's still in play but uh when we talk about fourth
02:54:44.420generational warfare, fifth generational warfare. We talk about, you know, inspiring convenient
02:54:49.760color revolutions and subversions in societies. One of them is neurological warfare. One of them
02:54:57.320is think how much easier it is to subvert a nation if like 10, 15% of them are hooked on drugs.
02:55:05.340And they're not only causing confusion within that country, but they're also a giant financial
02:55:11.460burden. That would be advantageous for any country if you could get half of your target
02:55:16.920country hooked on something. And there's this very fascinating book that we covered on the show.
02:55:23.140It was a collection of essays written by various academics. The book's titled
02:55:29.140Neurotechnology and National Security and Defense, Advances in Neurotechnology, Ethical,
02:55:35.740Legal, and Social Issues. This is just a book written by a bunch of academics for a military
02:55:40.500audience. And what they're saying is, look, the new frontier in warfare is neurotechnology. It's
02:55:46.880using microchips and whatnot to boost cognitive abilities, or introducing new types of weapons
02:55:53.140that can slow down or inhibit target countries' function capacity. So one interesting way to look
02:56:00.820at that would be something like Dune, if anyone knows Dune, the Mentats, because in the Dune
02:56:04.920universe, there's no AI and there's no advanced technology like that. So what they do is they
02:56:11.740make human operators function like computers. And so that is one. And this entire book was then
02:56:18.400these various philosophers and analysts and like, look, this is coming. We need to get ahead of it
02:56:24.500because the military doesn't have a grasp on this anymore. It used to be that the military
02:56:29.800would develop technology, then maybe roll it out to civilian use. It's like now it's being developed
02:56:34.300by the government at the exact same time
02:56:36.280as the private sector, just like drones.
02:57:14.440And anything short of like burning bodies or shooting people is seen as morally superior.
02:57:21.740And just to, you know, I'm giving you a lot here, but this, it sounds conspiratorial, but it's not really.
02:57:27.760There is, you know, everyone knows the American government has interest in this.
02:57:31.360There was this great book called Lab 257 that was tracking throughout the 40s, 50s and 60s the American government's interest in developing new types of, you know, diseases and things like that.
02:57:43.940Because think of it from their perspective.
02:57:47.180Wouldn't it be great to win a war if no one had to get shot?
02:57:50.360Wouldn't it be great to win a war if no bodies had to be burned?
02:58:54.640No, I think those are important points.0.78
02:58:58.280You know, one of the problems in the West is the mass psychosis after the Second World War,
02:59:04.860which made people think that things like eugenics is an evil thing, something that we should not engage in.
02:59:12.400But the Chinese, for example, they're not as squeamish about those topics, right?
02:59:18.860And if you engage in eugenic practices for your population for a couple of generations while the other population engages in dysgenics, it's going to give you a pretty good head start if there's a conflict and if there's a competition, resource competition or weapons race or whatever, right?
02:59:47.040So things like that, that Europeans don't take seriously, because for whatever reason, they think that things like eugenics is not something we should deal with, which I think is sort of a remnant of, you know, Christian thought that it's evil, you shouldn't play God or whatever.
03:00:06.380But the point is, this is a practice that exists in nature.0.59
03:00:10.240We should try to direct it to make the most use of it.
03:00:14.880other civilizations like china for example they take it very seriously and when it comes to to
03:00:22.780war uh and propaganda war you know one of the things now is uh social media and social media
03:00:31.220this is something that i've been commenting on a little bit i probably should be talking more about
03:00:35.420it is that social media is even more dangerous uh for the purposes of disinformation and so on
03:00:42.940the social media is even more dangerous and more powerful than old media. It's sort of like the
03:00:48.640difference between watching a movie and playing a video game. If you are interactive, if you are
03:00:54.620doing the things that the character is doing, then you are a part of the story and you believe in it
03:01:00.380more. It goes deeper. And the same way, if you believe that this is just an organic conversation
03:01:07.400rather than, you know, the big corporation speaking down to you, you think that this is
03:01:12.440just an organic conversation that's going going on between normal citizens, and everyone thinks this
03:01:18.100or everyone thinks that, then it is going to be much more powerful for brainwashing. Because
03:01:25.080like I talked about recently, on one of my shows, that the way propaganda works is through
03:01:31.800artificial peer pressure. It's not through arguments, it's not through logic, it's through
03:01:37.320artificial peer pressure. You create an artificial environment and there you create the impression
03:01:44.460that everyone thinks this and then everyone will go along with that. All the high status people
03:01:50.960think this and everyone will go along with that because, you know, 99.99% of all people, they will
03:01:57.420not start to look at all the facts, read up on all the books and analyze the logical arguments and
03:02:04.380infer through deduction and so on to reach a conclusion, they will look at what is everyone
03:02:10.500else doing. And so that's exactly what was happening also with the propaganda war that
03:02:18.820started on social media and everywhere else when this war broke out two years ago, is that all of
03:02:26.420a sudden all these new accounts started flooding social media with the exact same talking points
03:02:33.040and people started copying the talking points.
03:02:36.080It's sort of like people were swept up by the hive mind
03:02:39.320and they were, well, this is what you're supposed to think now.
03:02:42.500And so they started saying those things.
03:02:44.820So, you know, a lot of people are sort of conspiratorial,
03:02:48.080think that this person has been bought
03:03:00.860then most people are just going to go along with that because most people don't have the time or
03:03:05.140the ability to actually look at the facts themselves. And of course, America is hijacking
03:03:12.040or influencing the internal dissidents in Russia, just as Russia is trying to hijack or influence
03:03:23.100the internal dissidents or the internal political opposition in the West. And of course, we are the
03:03:30.020political opposition. And the point that I've been trying to make in so many words is that, well,
03:03:36.340if we are the political opposition in the West, and we want to make a credible case that we should
03:03:43.140look out for our countries, then perhaps we shouldn't be hijacked to spread disinformation
03:03:49.740on behalf of a hostile enemy nation in a wartime. You know, maybe that's not the most credible,
03:03:56.260That's the most brilliant thing to do.
03:03:59.140And that's something that I've advocated for on the show pretty regularly, where it's like, even if our interests momentarily align with another group, another nation, you know, don't make the mistake of thinking that you're allies.
03:04:12.760And one issue that I come back to, and this will lead into the next point I wanted to talk about, which is, but on our side, in our political milieu, let's just say Westerners, let's just say those of European descent.
03:04:24.280uh i'll say white canadians in my my case we're not actually very good for advocating for our
03:04:30.000own self-interest or identifying what our self-interests actually are so we play this
03:04:36.700sort of fandom game by thinking like well i'm a dissident i'm a nationalist so i'm going to side
03:04:41.080with every other dissident force or i'm just going to be open to whoever is open to me which means
03:04:46.640that we can just be wielded however but we actually we don't have a lock of what our actual
03:04:50.920interests are. And so we can always just be used and abused by whatever sovereign force is trying
03:04:57.180to use us against, oftentimes against our own self-interest. And I think you had presented
03:05:02.700an interesting solution to this, and you had written quite a bit about this. And there's
03:05:06.940several videos on your odyssey that I'd watched in the past about this, about the concept of
03:05:13.980re-tribalization and i think that's one way for people to start building what what are your actual
03:05:20.960self-interest who is your what's your group what's good for you and your survival instead of getting
03:05:26.760too lost in these very heady abstract sort of geopolitical wars that you think you know like
03:05:33.540for example if if you know i'm not trying to take a stand here but like if palace on the issue of
03:05:39.400Israel versus Palestine, people have their, the horse they want to win, but either horse that
03:05:45.680wins seems to shake out poorly for Westerners. Like they're like, oh, if Israel wins, then they're0.57
03:05:52.900going to push all of the Palestinians out and resettle them in the West. And if Palestinian1.00
03:05:58.240wins, then all the Israelis will be pushed out and everyone's going to have to resettle in the1.00
03:06:02.340West. Like at no point in this conversation are our interests being looked after by anyone in this0.90
03:06:08.320conflict, but we're placing bets on it because we think, well, hold on a second. Let's ask
03:06:13.920ourselves, what do we actually want for our survival, for our identity? And you had talked
03:06:19.660about retribalization in the broader interest of, I think you might describe it as creating
03:06:26.880a functional ethnostate. I was wondering if you'd like to talk a bit about that. I know it's a big
03:06:31.960topic, but a few videos you talk about retribalization. Would you like to speak to that a
03:06:36.960it? Sure, absolutely. The concept of retribalization is really, in a way, a non-political
03:06:49.780concept, because the idea is that the more things fall apart, the less people will be engaged in
03:07:00.640sort of trying to influence the wider politics
03:07:05.400of what's going to happen with foreign policy and so on,
03:07:11.480people will start looking after themselves
03:07:13.760and they will sort of group into these cultural units.
03:07:17.500And I've sort of compared it with free churches
03:07:23.340or these kinds of smaller religious communities that exist.
03:07:28.460I know it's different between America and Europe.
03:07:33.180In Europe, in Scandinavia, for example, you have the state church, which is where most people go,
03:07:42.120You have the Jehovah's Witnesses, you have the Mormons, you have the Baptists,
03:07:47.620you have all kinds of other kinds of groups, and they celebrate their holidays together.
03:07:53.120All Jehovah's Witnesses don't celebrate holidays, but these different communities, they work together as a living community, but they are non-political in the sense that they do not pose a threat to the state.
03:08:10.140They do not challenge the state's power in any way.
03:08:13.520The religious community is more of a, you know, day-to-day community for the individuals, and it doesn't look to change the outside world in any way.
03:08:26.220And so I think that rather than trying to change what's going on in, you know, overall society, more and more people will see that that is going to be pretty difficult for the foreseeable future.
03:08:39.240I think that perhaps on a, you know, on a larger scale, and I've often talked about this in terms of, you know, when the Roman Empire converted to Christianity, it took, you know, three, four centuries for that to happen.
03:08:54.820And it's something like that that we're looking at.
03:08:58.360Maybe not, you know, several centuries, but definitely several generations.
03:09:02.200This is not a quick fix situation that we're in because we're in a very deep civilizational and cultural crisis in the West.
03:09:11.660And it's going to take, you know, at least a couple of generations to turn things around in any, you know, in any big way for all of society.
03:09:21.820And during that time, I think that people will start more and more to just group into these perhaps religious communities, perhaps other kinds of communities, and just sort of looking out for themselves.
03:09:34.400And I think it's important to emphasize that I'm not talking about any kind of weird sectarian things like Waco or anything like that, where you just isolate yourself on a compound.
03:09:47.480I'm talking about a very natural way of living in, for example, a religious community.
03:09:53.920I mean, if you are a Mormon, for example, well, you live your life in a normal way.
03:10:00.100You don't, you know, it's not all that sectarian, maybe, or Jehovah's Witnesses or whatever.
03:10:05.960I'm just using those reference points to sort of make the, to clarify what I'm talking about here.
03:10:13.200I'm not talking about, you know, some sort of doomsday cult or something like that.
03:10:18.240I'm talking about normal living social religious communities that people will automatically gravitate towards because they realize that, well, there's very little we can do about the overall situation in the short term.
03:10:34.800So we're just going to have to, you know, network with each other and help each other out.
03:10:40.780And I think also in terms of how, you know, when society is collapsing, you know, social functions in terms of, you know, the state taking care of problems for you and so on, it's not going to work because it's already collapsing.
03:10:54.820The economy is collapsing. The law enforcement is collapsing more and more. So I think people are going to become more and more self-reliant in a very organic way, and they're going to sort of bond together in, you know, either tight communities or loosely connected communities.
03:11:14.300And what I said in the speech I gave about retribalization is that that's probably going to be, you know, there's going to be different levels of intensity for these kinds of communities.
03:11:27.580You know, you see today Jews, for example, Jews, some Jews are, they dress in normal clothes and they are sort of liberal Jews, but they still are still part of the Jewish community.
03:11:39.120Other Jews are Orthodox Jews or they wear these hats and the black clothes and you can see very clearly that they are distinguished by clothing.0.58
03:11:50.400Other groups like the Amish, they dress in a very different way and they live in a completely isolated area.0.63
03:11:57.580That's probably also going to happen for some people.
03:12:00.000My point is that there are different degrees of separation from overall society where probably most people will just, you know, not be separated from society, but they will still have their community for finding a spouse, for finding work, for celebrating holidays together, and for doing other things together like that, social functions.
03:12:23.160But they will still, you know, live very much and be a part of, and that's what, you know, that's what I would prefer, live and be a part of the overall society and abandon the sort of pipe dream of changing, you know, in a dramatic way, changing how society works.
03:12:41.660that's a very interesting model um i i would say that jews are probably the most advanced form of0.84
03:12:50.100that sort of uh trialization process i think a lower resolution but still highly effective model
03:12:56.680would be the caste system and when i was reading about uh the dynamics of china infiltrating canada
03:13:03.280one thing they'd mentioned was uh in a lot of these in china you know your extended kinship
03:13:09.860network is based on your familial connections um and their family networks are would seem very
03:13:15.760alien to a western individualized mind but uh they said it was to the point where for a lot of these
03:13:22.380new immigrants sometimes criminals sometimes not uh they they could expect to step off of the plane
03:13:29.140in vancouver uh look around find a bar literally a bar with their last name on it and go in and
03:13:36.520immediately have connections there because like their kinship network operated their own sort of
03:13:41.840bars and safe houses and whatnot and you can just look for your name on a building walk in there
03:13:47.100it'll be like a little kind of dive but it's like here here's here's your base of operations in a0.59
03:13:52.340new land which could never be experienced by any white westerner like going to china and expecting
03:13:59.520to find like a little base of operations for you there or what you might see in india and that sort
03:14:04.740of uh network is very strange to us and i think what what's interesting moving forward is going
03:14:10.880to be as we retribalize which i think is inevitable and it's something that we're doing in our
03:14:17.120political milieu uh it's how that can take on a distinctly european uh character and not just
03:14:25.480because some people on our side um especially you know on the dissident right the far right
03:14:29.200we have a tendency to look to other cultures islam would be an example and saying i like what
03:14:34.520they're doing let's be like them um and oftentimes a lot of the more um you know collectivist people
03:14:41.300on our side the ones who are more friendly to like marxism whatnot to look to china and say
03:14:46.080wouldn't it be great if we could be a hive mind like them but in europe and i just don't think
03:14:50.840that like the eastern mind you can just take their infrastructure and drop it over us just like we
03:14:57.680can't take our models and drop it over there and expect it to work so i'm interested to see
03:15:03.060what uh what we can do that will be unique to us and one uh example might be you know we discussed
03:15:10.240this on the show a couple weeks ago there's this book called the network state it was written by
03:15:15.700a indian guy oddly enough uh so as a result his name escapes me but it's a very complicated
03:15:21.380indian name anyway it's an interesting book it's kind of a technocratic book sort of like a
03:15:27.120neo-reactionary type book but um it's it's saying like look okay and it's very sort of liberal in
03:15:34.200its mindset at the same time because it's like okay but if you want to create a parallel society
03:15:38.420step away from society you can use technology to do that okay how does that make sense and he's
03:15:42.940using the model like social networks and blockchain technology to but step by step saying that look
03:15:49.100you build a community online you use that to crowdfund actual land purchases you buy some land
03:15:55.620So that your community, which could be decentralized geographically, can still become real in some way. And as you gain members, you kind of create this sort of constitution. It's basically about forming an affinity network. Now, he would do it in more of an ideological sense or an anti-woke sense, because a lot of them are just like, oh, I'm anti-woke.
03:16:17.900But you could easily layer an ethnic dimension to that easily. But while that might not be the perfect model, that represented one. I'm like, OK, I'm looking at that and I'm seeing something that could be workable in Europe and the West. It's not just a rigid caste system. It's encouraging people to start now. How do you start with something? How do you start retribalizing, retribalizing per se?
03:17:10.520they're just fed up with what's going on in society.
03:17:13.280So they just want something dramatically different
03:17:15.460And so they go into these kind of this dramatic rhetoric or unrealistic rhetoric about white Sharia and like all these kinds of bizarre things, which I don't think works because it doesn't appeal to our kind of people.
03:17:32.140I mean, people are different ethnic groups or different races, different peoples have different mentalities, and there is a certain type of society and a certain type of community that appeals to our mentality.0.97
03:17:46.440And so I definitely think that we can't just copy something that works for Muslims, for example, because they're completely different.1.00
03:17:57.260so we would have to build it along the lines of something that actually typically works and
03:18:06.020you know western societies and you're in canada i'm scandinavian i think we have a very similar
03:18:12.700culture in many respects and so i think probably you also have these kinds of religious communities
03:18:18.420of completely average normal white liberal people and so on right and and so i think those kinds of
03:18:26.140communities uh that already work for white people uh for our our group that already appeal to and
03:18:33.940work for um our kind of people i think that's the natural thing to be take inspiration from
03:18:41.120rather than you know trying to copy something exotic just because it looks cool on a picture
03:18:46.680or something like that i i just don't think that works i mean i'm i'm i'm a very uh liberal-minded
03:18:53.520kind of person myself i mean i i don't i don't want to impose myself on others and tell others
03:19:00.120what to do and so on i'm very you know free-spirited in that sense so i think just a normal
03:19:07.580european style of community building is what works and one thing that is has been a game changer in
03:19:15.520many ways is of course social media and the metaverse or sort of the online world because
03:19:22.240while there's a lot to be critical of with regard to the internet and, you know, people spending
03:19:28.800more and more time on the internet more than is healthy, and I'm definitely perhaps more critical
03:19:34.760of that than anyone else is, it's important to acknowledge that there's also an upside to it,
03:19:40.440because already we are living in communities. I mean, just by spending a lot of time in
03:19:47.020communities online and social media and talking to our friends, I mean, I'm talking to you right
03:19:51.860now most of our people probably spend most of their waking hours communicating uh mostly with
03:20:00.080like-minded people even if they don't live with you know have them as neighbor uh they talk to
03:20:05.960them online and so they've already built a community of course the challenges or the next
03:20:11.080step is to to live close enough so that it actually becomes a real community as well so that
03:20:16.520you can help each other out with finding work or finding a spouse or, you know, help each other out
03:20:23.180in everyday situations. You know, I'm one of the things that I'm very fond of and, you know, my
03:20:29.860own intellectual background is sociobiology. You know, E.O. Wilson and people like that who talked
03:20:36.880a lot about how we are hardwired to be social creatures. This kind of extreme individualism,
03:20:43.300ideological individualism is a little bit contrived i think we have we we depend on other
03:20:49.140people and we have to have a real physical community around us just to help us with
03:20:55.020everyday functions especially when uh the sort of overall society is i'm not gonna you know
03:21:03.660exaggerate and say that it's collapsing but it's definitely not working well anymore i mean if you
03:21:08.980compare today with 20 or 30 years ago, law enforcement, you know, just the economic
03:21:14.640situation and how things work in your everyday, your everyday experience of just living in this
03:21:21.540society, I think has deteriorated significantly. And a lot of people just don't trust that,
03:21:28.420you know, society can take care of their problems and their needs anymore. So they're going to have
03:21:32.500to, it's going to be automatic that they're going to sort of bond together in these communities.
03:21:37.120But like I said, I think it's important to emphasize that I'm not talking about any sort of weird sort of cult environment like Charles Manson or, you know, suicide cult or anything.
03:21:47.640I'm talking about a very organic, normal, laid back community.
03:21:51.520But it's just, you know, something that where we can feel at home.
03:21:55.900And I just think that that's going to happen automatically.
03:21:57.920It's not something that you even have to push.
03:22:00.400It's more a prediction than a prescription almost.
03:22:09.680And you can always tell when things are starting to go wrong in society, when even the liberals are starting to complain about it.
03:22:16.180And you see that in America, if you read the news, and especially in Canada, where they're beginning to admit that their policies have gone horribly wrong.
03:22:25.600Now, they will assess it incorrectly and blame the wrong thing.0.91
03:22:29.880But even in Canada, they're starting to say, like, there's a lot of Indians here.0.99
03:22:34.260And they all came here over the past three years.1.00
03:22:40.100And you're hearing this from the liberals, which by global standards are far more progressive than, you know, the Democrats in the U.S. even.
03:22:48.900So but, you know, we also say that if a liberal is complaining about something, it's almost too late to correct the ship.
03:22:55.260That's why, you know, I think not only are, you know, can they not correct the ship, they can't address what the real problem is.
03:23:02.240And so they'll never come up with a solution. And I was actually thinking about this earlier today, how amusing it is that, you know, if you confront a lot of them with the problems, they will, A, first of all, straight up deny that there's a problem. And once they acknowledge there's a problem, they'll find a way to blame the West or blame white people.
03:23:21.640you know like why why are there so many indians here that driving up the house prices well you0.65
03:23:27.140know it's that's not happening well it is well it's it's in a way it's our our fault that that's1.00
03:23:32.320happening it's like just you're never going to come up with a solution with that but on our side
03:23:37.880and the distant side we seem to be the only ones who are at least trying to craft some kind of
03:23:43.140solution and this would be one of them however one interesting aspect that i i encourage people
03:23:49.020to think about is, you had mentioned not turning into a personality cult of any kind. I would
03:23:53.980agree, but I think that's something we need to watch out for as we do this. As you start
03:23:59.060retribalizing online, locally, wherever it might be, finding your people, building these affinity
03:24:05.600networks, be aware that there's a lot of kooky characters out there. There's a lot of anti-social
03:24:11.640personalities that find their way into these spaces that might be trying to seek refuge in
03:24:18.160these communities and they might not have the best interest in mind and anti-social and insane
03:24:24.220people have a tendency to rise up through the ranks even though you don't think they would
03:24:28.480um and uh there's one thing i know we gotta get we actually have to get going soon but
03:24:33.400on one of your videos um it was on the topic of retribalization you had mentioned that
03:24:39.300the importance of a founding myth and i think we sort of got into that with the religion and
03:24:44.400the spirituality. But I'm curious, because you've thought quite a bit about this, and I think this
03:24:49.400is something you're trying to live as close as you can to. What would your founding myth be in
03:24:57.300your ideal retribalized little society? I know that's a big question, but what do you think
03:25:04.200about that yeah that is a big uh big issue i think that all organic founding myths are uh
03:25:16.500is a narrative a story about uh common ancestry i think that is why um that is why you know
03:25:26.900ethnic communities and so on that's why i mean our religions used to be ethnic communities uh
03:25:33.700People, different peoples worshipped different gods.
03:25:37.680Those gods might, you know, if you agree with, for example, the perennialist school, the capital T traditionalist school, those gods would, you know, behind the scenes would represent the same thing.
03:25:50.360But different tribes would talk about them in different ways because it was their tribal god.
03:25:55.520and and and very often they would trace their origin to a sort of a mythological beginning
03:26:04.640they would trace their their kings or their leaders their chieftains or whatever to a
03:26:10.460mythological beginning they would trace their own tribe to a common ancestry i think that is
03:26:16.860um that is one of the things that that is central and myth is it's important to emphasize here that
03:26:24.500myth is not i mean in everyday uh conversation myth is often used uh used to mean something
03:26:31.820that is false that that's just a myth that means it's a lie it's not true but in this context a
03:26:38.920myth is simply a story which uh has a sort of a moral point or create a story that creates
03:26:48.040a moral framework or a story that gives meaning to your existence or I mean a religious myth
03:26:55.960isn't necessarily true or false in the sort of scientific philosophical sense but it can provide
03:27:05.200a framework of meaning around our lives our lives are very chaotic so you know in that sense I think
03:27:12.040founding myths uh will go back to traditional european roots of uh our our philosophy our
03:27:19.820mythology i i don't think that you can really uh create them i mean i don't i don't think that
03:27:27.420this is something that you can sit down like you sort of write a film or like l1 hubbard you know
03:27:33.140he tried to create his own religion i guess he succeeded you know to some extent at least
03:27:38.980he's a fiction writer and they sort of