00:19:38.120be inept and unable to complete the intensive training for certification to become an air
00:19:43.800traffic controller so what's happening basically the tweet was saying that boomers represent the0.62
00:19:50.760thin membrane that's holding the entire airline industry together due to their knowledge of how
00:19:56.200the systems work and once they retire all you're left with is diversity hires not only the diversity
00:20:03.080hires but the fact that these airlines have also farmed out so much of their software development0.91
00:20:07.080to you know indian third party developers that so once the boomers their competency leaves there's0.98
00:20:13.320nothing keeping the planes in the sky and john was you know fairly pointing out it's like well0.96
00:20:17.760we have so many redundancies in air travel we have so many idiot proof systems that you know
00:20:24.540it's not like it's just going to fall apart without them there and like there is truth to that
00:20:28.580but i'm like well you have to realize like when we talk about competency crisis it's not just pilots0.98
00:20:33.980It's not just we hire stupid pilots now because we have autopilot.0.96
00:20:37.460The problem is, you know, and he agreed with this, you know, the maintenance crew, you're hiring lazier maintenance crews, you're hiring lazier software developers.0.99
00:20:44.580So maybe the autopilot stops working now.
00:20:46.960You know, the one that the one that just fell out, not didn't fall out of the sky, but they had the problem with the door fell off.
00:20:51.260That had nothing to do with the pilot or the maintenance crew.
00:20:53.180It had to do with the manufacturers, like the way that the plane was built.
00:20:56.440It had like loose screws internally in the frame.
00:35:47.620So there's a lot that we could talk about because there's a lot of news stories that I wanted to cover.
00:35:54.580however there is one that i think circumstance demands that we cover and you know once again
00:36:03.160we're breaking our rule of discussing a developing story i just think we need to and uh i'm not even
00:36:10.660going to read a headline i'm going to start with just describing what it is i think everyone will
00:36:14.340kind of catch on the rhythm what are your thoughts on all those jews emerging from the sewers in new
00:36:20.360york i was saying i was saying it's like like it's it's like late christmas like when you come
00:36:30.360my favorite thing about it is combining it with the war in israel and epstein files being released
00:36:37.320and it's like man jews cannot get a win this year it's just i've been saying i wrote on the
00:36:43.200telegram channel i'm like it has been a bad 365 days for jews yes it has like i i even
00:36:50.220the epstein files um we might not talk too much about that on this episode i did uh for the next
00:36:56.640um real secret coffee hours the sister show the paywall show that we have i do review an article
00:37:03.580that was written by a man named trevor leblanc for countercurrents who was making the case that
00:37:09.860he dared to make the case that sure epstein is a mossad agent there's enough evidence to prove
00:37:16.900that sure epstein was sex trafficking in women and including underage women including children
00:37:22.440and yes he did traffic these people to elites and he did record it i just don't think that was
00:37:28.700blackmail yeah that was his case i'm like i read it and so i'm not going to do it all right now
00:37:34.620but that'll be going up next week as we got for that but that's a lot of fun anyway point being
00:37:40.080that um the might have buried the lead on that one it seems to be accepted in the mainstream
00:37:47.460discourse that jeffrey epstein was affiliated with the state of israel specifically mossad i don't
00:37:53.340think many people debate that even those who want to be done with this whole epstein thing they have
00:37:59.560to admit that right this was jeffrey epstein's mansion before it was recently sold for an
00:38:05.480undisclosed amount nestled in rural Santa Fe County. The Zorro Ranch shows the beautiful landscapes of New Mexico. But what is said to occur in these recently unsealed documents is far from beautiful. This is how our elected leaders have characterized it in the past. There was questionable conduct on that ranch. It's just kind of a disgusting realization about what occurred in that building. More than 900 pages of documents released last week describing some of those disgusting details that occurred
00:38:35.460here. They are a part of a civil suit by this woman, Virginia Jufri, against Ghislaine Maxwell.
00:38:42.100Maxwell, a longtime acquaintance of Epstein, is currently serving prison time for child sex
00:38:47.540trafficking. According to a former Mossad spy named Ari Ben Benaci, who stated on the record
00:38:54.340and unequivocally that Epstein used his sex trafficking operation to blackmail politicians
00:39:00.020on behalf of the state of israel suppose what the most alarming allegations that you've been making
00:39:06.500are that the entire epstein operation was a honey trap operation to entrap politicians
00:39:13.540policy makers celebrities people in the media eye basically to become israel's assets correct
00:39:22.020that it became basically an intelligence operation
00:39:28.900to entrap different politicians around.
00:50:45.960And the story that we're hearing here is like, don't fuck with the Jewish tunnels.0.99
00:50:49.320Like you would go, people go missing, poking around the wrong sorts of tunnel or things that are used for trafficking certain things.0.99
00:50:57.160And, you know, even back when we were exploring this stuff, like it never occurred to us that there, you know, you'd always imagine there's homeless people.
00:51:03.540You'd always imagine there's vagrants and probably like, you know, shady people.
00:51:07.620but it never occurred to us back then because this would have been like a couple decades ago
00:51:12.900not a couple decades but you know over a decade it's like the true depths of depravity that's
00:51:17.960going on underground especially in a city like toronto or a city like new york like 10 times
00:51:23.500what toronto would be i'm looking at the map here so there's a map that was circulating that shows
00:51:29.440the route of the tunnel that we know so far and it's showing it on google maps right
00:51:35.640um and the tunnel goes right by this one building uh the jewish children's museum
00:51:41.660and people are you know looking at that but i'm also like wait you have a jewish children's0.98
00:51:47.200museum what the fuck's that about what why do you got a children's museum in the first place0.99
00:51:53.280like what the fuck is a children's museum like you have a bunch of children on display0.99
00:51:57.940and also it says hands-on exhibits i'm like i you know poor choice of words or do you do jews0.99
00:52:05.280really have a molestation museum get a life jews i guess so has anyone ever been to the jewish
00:52:10.740children's museum drop us a comment but you made a good point that we're not hearing the full story
00:52:16.220um and you know if you start to really read between the lines of the story what you were
00:52:21.460seeing when that crowd of rabbis was assaulting the cops what were the cops doing there well
00:52:26.580the cops allegedly were there to like fill the tunnel with cement that was the story i was
00:52:32.480hearing because it is structurally unsound which causes you know a couple red flags to go up it's
00:52:38.120like well if you discovered a tunnel like that i don't think immediately filling it with cement is
00:52:43.240what you do is it yeah like to to restore stability that seems like something you would do to to bury
00:52:48.900it but if you wanted to restore stability of a building you wouldn't just like clandestinely
00:52:53.940fill it with cement that seems odd right putting aside the fact that if it was going to get filled
00:52:58.520with cement at the very least city inspectors should come out and it would be some kind of
00:53:02.480works department not police officers who are doing that but beyond that these are criminals right
00:53:08.420they've been arrested why are they being arrested it's their own property well because the tunnel
00:53:12.360goes under city property it goes under the street and it's been damaging private homes of other0.97
00:53:17.120people who are not chabadniks so this is a crime it's a fucking crime scene right so at the very0.95
00:53:25.140least go in and take some pictures but no like at the same time within the first few hours the0.99
00:53:31.400arrests are still being made jews are still crawling up out of the grates there's already0.92
00:53:35.640a cement truck there that they're pouring cement into it so it's because they're absolutely covering0.93
00:53:39.960up and back to this on the crown heights thing if anybody goes to that crown heights info
00:53:43.680go on their instagram page look at their social media their social media i swear to you every
00:53:48.620fourth or fifth post is about their relationship with the crown heights police precinct and about
00:53:55.100how so many of their police officers are chabadniks and so many of them are jewish and how we
00:54:01.360every time every season when there's a new group of officers we always bring them in and we have
00:54:06.420lunch at chabad to explain to them the idiosyncrasies of working in a hasidic jewish0.99
00:54:11.580neighborhood it's like yeah you also you own the fucking police department is what you're saying0.96
00:54:15.360it's the mafia essentially yeah and what i want to get to is i'm looking at the crownite site0.97
00:54:20.500right now and i want to get to the comments because this is something that i wanted to
00:54:24.220get to as well and the police thing is interesting actually just to mention something related to that
00:54:28.880um you're hearing a lot of copes and a lot of stories trying to explain this away that
00:54:33.940oh it was just this like tunnel that they a bunch of horny teens made right but you know have you
00:54:41.260tried to dig a tunnel before a tunnel of that size it's like the idea that you could just dig
00:54:46.780a tunnel without city officials knowing about it without the police showing up because a lot of
00:54:52.900People seem to have been complaining about this, but they didn't really show up until much later, right?
00:54:58.680So the idea that this was operating under the tolerance of the police, I think it needs to be required, right?
00:55:06.900Like you need to almost have the cops in on this for it to get this far, maybe.
01:00:57.800Haim, are you also a Holocaust denier?1.00
01:01:00.320wow jesus christ damn it's written by a hasidic jew you dumb fucking idiot i know1.00
01:01:11.220they'll say that to fucking anything but like again that the second story was that these this1.00
01:01:16.420was just sort of like a libertarian a good trouble resistance which again no evidence of it but0.98
01:01:21.540people were just willing to believe that so like a lot of jewish stories it's a it's a buffet and0.82
01:01:27.480you pick whatever you want to feel comfortable other than the truth which is what you should0.87
01:01:32.180be asking just to finish this point they are clear and jews are saying this to you the libs0.57
01:01:36.980of tiktok lady was saying that it's like the the question you have to ask isn't what the truth is0.62
01:01:42.840the question you ask is why are you people lying about this because these are obvious lies we know
01:01:48.260they were lies tell me why you're lying that's what that's the only thing people should be asking
01:01:53.920right now i i was just gonna say on on the note about the whole like libertarian yeah go jews0.68
01:01:59.400sticking it to the man by digging a tunnel where you're not supposed to i wish people would quit
01:02:03.480universalizing white ethics and white principles like it does work for us if it was if it was a
01:02:09.860church a christian church that dug a tunnel i'd be right there with them i'd be helping i'd be0.86
01:02:14.320right there with a shovel the reason that it's good for us and bad for them is because they're
01:02:19.060them and we're us you know what i mean their ethics don't apply to us and our ethics don't0.99
01:02:23.560apply to them things that we do that are right when like get it through your fucking head stop0.97
01:02:27.480universalizing ethics when the group that you're talking about this out group is literally your0.99
01:02:32.120existential enemy who are purpose-built and bred to kill you so like fucking cut it out okay yeah0.98
01:02:39.540yeah that that's a good point and also sorry i was just trying to find the tweeting question it0.98
01:02:45.580was tim pool who posted that tweet that we're referring to where he was saying that if it turns
01:02:52.200out that this is what they were doing then based it's so based of them for doing and i'm like you
01:02:59.620know hey it's not it wouldn't be based it's like you don't need to like jump the defense of every
01:03:04.560illegal thing right um but yeah but then the question again once you cut through like why
01:03:10.880are you people lying because you're clearly lying you're clearly trying to cover it up i got a video
01:03:15.060of a crowd of screaming rabbis trying to cover up what's going on then we can start to uncover0.88
01:03:21.120what's really going on down there this wouldn't be big news if not for the lies if any jew was0.99
01:03:27.440willing to come out and say that's fucked up what they're doing they would never will yeah that's0.99
01:03:32.620something that white people would do but that's because we're weak you know but jews will never0.98
01:03:37.480do that and you need to you need to not let them get away with it you need to point it out if you
01:03:41.180hear that story you would say well you know the politicians you know they didn't build a second
01:03:46.640congress beneath congress so the politicians could do their job they just went to each other's houses0.97
01:03:53.320and had parties that's what happened and we have proof of that so why couldn't the jews just0.94
01:03:57.980worship or meet in each other's fucking they walk up brownstones yeah and they also did that too so0.98
01:04:05.460like what i don't people shouldn't be so quick to just believe the first jewish lie what you should0.99
01:04:10.620be concerned about is the amount of jewish lies and it wouldn't be news if there weren't so many0.99
01:04:14.920fucking lies this is the thing jews do is they they get they're too aggressive with their neuroses1.00
01:04:21.340it's a shotgun blast of copes and lies it's like okay you're clearly hiding something i we might1.00
01:04:27.360have let this fly under the radar as like a weird thing but like you you all immediately circle the0.98
01:04:32.420wagons okay so this is something right and now we're talking about fucking like urban explorers0.85
01:04:38.400disappearing and now i assume they were eaten by rabbis the fever pitch of this in the past 720.93
01:04:44.020hours has reached a point i can only imagine this is what it was like in central european cities in0.98
01:04:49.660the 17th and 16th century where it you know word starts going around that some kike has poisoned0.95
01:04:55.520the well and is doing blood libel and baby sacrifices in the in the the basement of the0.99
01:05:01.260the synagogue and then they run the jews out of town like i feel i feel like i'm in the middle
01:05:06.320of a mob calling for blood right now and i love it i love it and it's like this is the first time0.85
01:05:12.260ever that it seemed like even the mainstream the left the jews themselves are in total damage0.57
01:05:18.620control mode because they see how rapidly this story is spinning out of control it's beautiful
01:05:25.080let me just say there is one quote here just back to crown heights thing one of our guys got through
01:05:29.500this is by uh haim goldberg shekelblatt he writes tunnels what tunnels there wasn't 6 000 square foot
01:05:39.460of tunnels how could a group of practicing hadids uh dig 600 square foots of tunnels even suggesting
01:05:45.560that the work started on 60 square foots of tunnels and then that comment is still up like0.82
01:05:56.720they're such boomers they can't delete it yeah exactly they don't know how to do it they don't0.96
01:06:01.320know how to use their own fucking message board oh man what a great like you people should really1.00
01:06:05.900read this stuff like and i like that point that you said like this sounds like a 17th century0.99
01:06:10.020no when you a jew in town gets accused of something um and then every jew there jumps
01:06:16.720to their like this is why jews get expelled people that's what i'm gonna say like it it is
01:06:20.960like those i think because the reason i'm saying that i didn't explain it fully but like0.79
01:06:24.120the you get this this action reaction going back and forth where the jews do a shitty thing0.73
01:06:29.380but they cover it up and they convince us by gaslighting us but every time that happens0.95
01:06:34.200we get wound up just a little bit more and just a few more of us begin to believe in these
01:06:38.140conspiracies about the Jews but that keeps happening there eventually is a tipping point
01:06:42.760where it all just overflows and it's like nope we're done if you don't want blood you need to
01:06:47.740get out if you don't leave there's going to be blood and that's the expulsion and I do feel like
01:06:52.220it I don't know I don't think this is that but I think we we're starting to see bubbles rising to
01:06:58.220the surface like it's starting to boil these again it's only been like what 48 hours 72 hours
01:07:03.100and this is just fucking everywhere it's on the new york post it's like it's everywhere it's great0.87
01:07:08.560um uh and and one thing like you were saying the process by the which these expulsions happen is0.97
01:07:14.000you know a weird thing happens every single jew either tries to cover up or defend it
01:07:18.260and then we being that makes people more angry we'd be like do you so you all stand by this
01:07:24.220you're telling me every single one of you stands by this okay then you're all going0.64
01:07:27.940Maybe we don't even want to, but if it's like, if every single Jew is going to say that this is no big deal, you're all kind of guilty.0.94
01:07:37.400If official Israel accounts and every Jewish leader is calling me an asshole for caring about this, then I guess I know where you fucking stand.0.99
01:27:27.660a less well-known community is also being monitored by the authorities this is the
01:27:34.680headquarters of the kingdom of Germany um so this is my ID yes I need your ID part of a
01:27:40.940self-proclaimed independent state where I need a visa to visit so just one day yeah
01:27:47.040the reichsburger movement aims to establish parallel societies by infiltrating schools
01:27:53.820clubs and public offices um and there's a photo here of the reich citizens movement organized
01:28:00.540at doing a doing a protest here raising their flags uh i'm just gonna read a couple paragraphs
01:28:05.560here a strategic rural land grab by right-wing extremists is you know like what makes them
01:28:11.560extremists that they want to do a land grab like doing a buying land is an extreme whatever
01:28:16.300is taking place across germany with the concerted aim of creating communities independent of the
01:28:22.360state according to the domestic intelligence agency and government ministries what is so
01:28:27.560extreme about that i want to i want to start a town i want to start a town and do my own thing
01:28:31.980yeah i know right authorities and ngos monitoring far-right groups say the members of the reichsberger
01:28:39.600movement who reject the post 1945 german state not based are making a targeted effort to establish
01:28:46.960parallel societies and infiltrate existing structures according to a request for information
01:28:54.040from the federal interior ministry by martha renner right-wing extremist organizations have
01:28:59.640bought 40 properties across germany in the past two years the figure indicates an acceleration
01:29:05.840of a pattern observed for more than a decade in which hard to sell houses pubs and foreign land
01:29:11.380properties are being snapped up and used by the right-wing groups from for everything from living
01:29:16.140space to birthing houses sports halls and party venues sounds fair you know i mean like if they
01:29:23.080were trying to say like they're using them as militia trading grounds even then it's also funny
01:29:28.300that they call it a land grab but it's like a land grab is usually like you go in and like kick
01:29:33.160somebody off their land like you know what the israelis do to the palestinians but no this is
01:29:36.800literally just them buying land nobody else is using and then going into institutions how well
01:29:41.620by getting elected into them like democratically because people want them there they're trying to
01:29:45.920make it seem like people oh yeah but the citizens we talk to these citizens and they hate them it's
01:29:49.820like well apparently not all of them because they're getting elected they're getting elected
01:29:53.760in the public office okay so is it a land grab if a bunch of ambitious driven young men going to0.99
01:30:00.720detroit going to a neighborhood picked clean by feral niggers into all the houses they're stripped0.99
01:30:06.680of copper burned down crack houses revitalize that neighborhood no one's living there is that0.99
01:30:12.000a land grab or is it just make revitalizing some fucking space they would call that gentrification0.86
01:30:17.540yeah it's a land grab right up to the point where it's gentrification it's a land grab when they0.93
01:30:21.740don't want you there and then when they want to you to give them the cool stuff back it's
01:30:25.380gentrification here we go the snug and secluded village of rutenberg a 90 minute drive north of
01:30:32.080berlin and the state of bradenberg has become one of the largest targets of the krd's attempts to
01:30:37.900establish an autonomous community or what its leader the self-styled king peter fitzak i thought
01:30:44.060i said physique for a second there has labored uh germain waldorf a common good village that
01:30:50.200he's starting a common good village he's starting a mutual aid space for people yeah and it's like
01:30:56.880the the ngos are very concerned with that um so it's a big long article basically detailing
01:31:03.160the reason i bring this up it's detailing people who are actually doing what we talk about
01:31:07.860over in germany in a place that might be as hard to do as in canada you know it's probably very
01:31:13.500very yeah it's probably much much harder for them way harder to do that in germany but they're doing
01:31:17.360it and i just want to call attention to that for people to look into this um and see if the
01:31:23.460parallel society thing can work in a state like germany i think it can but it would actually be
01:31:27.900easier to do in north america um you know ideologically or whatever um there's also a
01:31:33.840follow-up article and i think it's related once again from the uh guardian headline politicians
01:31:41.680from germany's afd met extremist group to discuss deportation master plan martin selner member of
01:31:49.600the identitarian movement reportedly spoke of re-migration ideas so basically i'm going to
01:31:55.560read the first little bit here politicians from germany's far-right alternative for deutschland
01:32:01.020party, the AFD, including a personal aide to leader Alice Weidel, met the head of right-wing
01:32:07.120extremist identitarian movement and neo-Nazi activists to discuss a master plan for mass
01:32:12.680deportations in the events of the party coming to power. It has been reported.
01:32:17.800Well, the story comes from Corrective, which is an independent investigative research platform.
01:32:24.180It says that in November it sent in journalists to a hotel, the kind of hotel where weddings take place,
01:32:33.960just eight kilometres from Wannsee, where the Nazis decided some 80 years ago on the final solution,
01:32:38.980to hear something called the Master Plan, presented by a fellow by the name of Martin Zellner,
01:32:44.780who is a 35-year-old Austrian nationalist, part of the identitarian movement.
01:32:49.180And as you were just saying, he was the keynote speaker and he said what Germany needed to do when the AFD comes to power, he was saying, is basically forcibly repatriate, reverse the flow of inward migration of the undesirable Germans.
01:33:04.800Even if you have a German passport, as well as another one, he was suggesting the people who are not integrated culturally, who are not essentially white or an economic or criminal burden on society, he was saying, according to the Corrective website, should be sent away, possibly to a place in North Africa, some territory.
01:33:23.780The AFD is polling first place in all five of Germany's eastern states, three of which are holding elections later this year.
01:33:30.480um for now so basically the afd if people haven't been paying attention is climbing the poles they
01:33:36.580are aligned with our sorts of thing they're anti-migration probably anti-globalism i'm not
01:33:42.060sure their exact feelings on the european union um but martin selner that's a name that might ring a
01:33:47.640lot of bells for people he's been around uh he's the guy who married britney pettibone people know
01:33:52.160that he's just a guy who's been around for quite some time uh got no complaints about him i like
01:33:58.860everything i've seen from him i haven't heard about him often but i guess he's doing more work
01:34:04.280over there with that specific movement and i point that out to say like it looks like they're
01:34:09.080doing a pretty good job i'm just saying like i'm hearing a lot of stuff come out of germany which
01:34:14.320is the last place you would think this would be happening in so going into 2024 going into
01:34:21.700you know what what what are we capable of this year i'm seeing a lot of wins basically the plan
01:34:28.900is re-migration it's deportation but they're not calling it deportation they're calling it
01:34:33.220re-migration we're migrating you somewhere else yeah which is a word that i would like to adopt
01:34:39.220moving forward as well um anyway that's just what i wanted to to bring up there i'm seeing some good1.00
01:34:45.720things come out of germany uh to deal with these people who can't stop marrying their first cousins0.97
01:34:51.860and giving birth to 20 retarded children because they actually don't care about their children yeah0.91
01:34:58.800and just a couple of things before we get to the last part here um show related updates show0.92
01:35:07.060related news um first of all a new episode of real secret coffee hours is up on the paywall
01:35:13.920that's on patreon and that's on gumroad you can find links to that on our website bloodsatellite.ca
01:35:19.320this is episode nine i believe of the show and uh like all the other episodes it's going through
01:35:26.420a recent article this one was very funny he was reviewing an article written by jordan peterson
01:35:32.520this would have been published late last year and him decrying the pro-palestinian movement
01:35:38.980and calling them metamarxists he's introducing a new word now used to be neomarxist now it's
01:35:44.960metamarxist won't spoil it it's one of the most unhinged articles i think i've ever read
01:35:50.240very clearly a first draft it's it's the only thing i've read from him where i've really thought
01:35:55.560that something might be wrong with him like there's typos all up in it it's very it's like
01:36:01.560it's angry and it's it's he's calling people rats and psychopaths like it's not the thing you'd
01:36:07.220expect from a sound mind anyway uh if you want access to that video go there we have a couple
01:36:13.160other ones planned coming out recently too or soon rather um i also wanted to mention on good
01:36:18.520suffer.com i i don't mention this as much as i should but um good suffer.com we have a book for
01:36:24.720sale there that's a book that i wrote it's called the colossal corpus of serious gloves it's short
01:36:29.700stories uh horror and science fiction um if you're interested in that go go there and check it out
01:36:36.820it's in hardcover and paperback we get those out as fast as we can i've been selling quite a bit
01:36:42.220more of them lately and i just i don't mention it probably as much as i should but it's a book that
01:36:46.360i'm very proud of and it would if you're into that sort of thing go check it out there's also a sample
01:36:51.340chapter on there as well um i would recommend that people listen to the sunflower society stream that
01:36:58.840that we both appeared on this was our new year's look back or an award ceremony myself and judas
01:37:04.940were on that um hosted by the laughing man we're both great fans of the sunflower society um it's
01:37:11.300the audio of that's going to be on this episode if you want to catch the video you can find the
01:37:15.260video the full live stream on their odyssey channel so if you prefer that go check it out
01:37:20.740it's also reposted on our odyssey channel as well so you can find it there too um i had a great time
01:37:26.080and uh i think you did as well would that be correct judas yeah yeah it was awesome it was
01:37:30.120a great stream i'd like to do more of that with him we had a different audience for that uh it
01:37:36.900gave birth to one of my favorite bits implosion sexual someone can identify as an implosion0.72
01:37:43.320sexual to figure out what the fuck that means you're gonna have to listen um last bit of news0.99
01:37:49.060um there's been some there's been news lately of substack cracking down on far right substacks0.89
01:37:57.760And the one that was brought to my attention was a friend of the show named Zoltanus, who runs the Fascio newsletter, and also he runs a Fascio channel.
01:38:08.280His whole thing is going into the theory of fascism.
01:38:13.240But from my perspective, an acceptably autistic perspective, you know, it's not just waving around swastikas.
01:38:21.220it's an article, for example, like, we're going to discuss a recently uncovered journal entry
01:38:27.580from Mussolini where he praises Indian communists, you know, stuff like that. Really academic,
01:38:33.720really deep stuff. But even he's getting swept up in a campaign that's being waged on far-right
01:38:41.260sub-stacks. Another guy who appeared on the show, Ann Kahn's Reich, similarly, is getting banned.
01:38:46.200um so i would say pay close attention to that look look him up see if he gets banned go find
01:38:53.100him if you're a fan of the fashion newsletter um it might still be up fascio.substack.com
01:38:58.300if not he's going to be popping up somewhere else i think he's got a new youtube launching as well
01:39:03.100he's also got a new twitter but i do want to bring to people's attention we have been calling
01:39:09.400this for at least a couple of years now haven't we yes we have now i i don't want to you know
01:39:17.240make lights or kick anyone when they're down because you know the fact of the matter is that
01:39:21.620we shouldn't be banned it would be great if we weren't banned it'd be great if it was free speech0.63
01:39:25.100and all that shit but we are the most banned people on the internet we know we are uh we hold0.84
01:39:31.500no illusions about it that's the reason why blood satellite takes so many efforts to be anti-fragile0.98
01:39:37.000We have our own website. We have our video syndicated on multiple different platforms. Any platform that we can control, we will endeavor to control, even though it's not perfect, even though they could come after our, you know, our hosting. That's a bit harder than putting all of your eggs into the basket of the most journalist-friendly platform in existence.
01:40:18.000and Tim Pool and Glenn Greenwald go and start
01:40:20.700their own and say that's horrible that they banned
01:40:22.700all those poor right wingers, we're going to start our own free speech
01:40:24.780platform, everybody join us, it's only $4 a month0.99
01:40:27.000it's the same shit like you're you i don't know why people keep getting fooled by this0.98
01:40:31.860journalists generally even right-wing journalists even like right libertarian journalists are not0.99
01:40:37.600on your side they're journalists they're journalists first so um yeah i mean i think
01:40:42.820the thing we've always been saying was if you don't i forget the i forget the rule it's empire's
01:40:48.740rule or something like that but like something that isn't explicitly conservative will become
01:40:52.360liberal over time if you don't own the platform it's going to turn on you it's a it's gonna
01:40:58.740happen like count on it don't put all your eggs in there because it's it's gonna happen and this
01:41:02.960here it is so uh all i'm saying is this is gonna happen you're all gonna lose your sub stacks
01:41:08.720don't do it again just we need to find or create a new platform that is actually us owned by us
01:41:15.700i think you're talking about josh josh moon and some things there that there might be a way to
01:41:19.940create something yeah josh moon from the kiwi farms has always been my north star on anything
01:41:26.400related to this as far as i'm concerned he's leading the charge on this sort of thing about
01:41:31.320you know free speech on the internet about going up against the juggernauts that are truly behind
01:41:38.000you know he's going up against cloudflare he's going up against these isbs he's the only one
01:41:42.000doing it as far as i can see and and actually winning and and posing a threat to them um
01:41:48.940similarly like just so people don't get it twisted i i'm not anti having a sub stack it just can't be
01:41:56.720just a sub stack like for example we'd even consider having a sub stack just as another
01:42:01.320platform to syndicate the episodes on but that's just an appendage you know the idea is that we
01:42:07.260have our stuff duplicated on so many platforms if we lose one it doesn't matter like we've lost our
01:42:13.060youtube twice already we're probably going to use it a third time soon we're probably going to use
01:42:17.880lose odyssey soon but that's why we're also up on rumble that's why we're also up on bit shoot
01:42:21.820that's why we're also up anywhere we can be that makes sense and the point is that you know be on
01:42:28.220these platforms to get that audience sure but don't count on it know that you'll probably we'll
01:42:33.520probably lose odyssey this year odyssey is probably going to go down i that's going to be a real bad
01:42:37.960one because we have a big following on odyssey um but it's probably going to happen and you need to
01:42:43.360plan for that you need to expect that this is going to happen um until we find a truly permanent
01:42:49.820solution i thought library and it shoot not bit shoot but odyssey we're going to be that apparently
01:42:55.100not so i'm fielding ideas you know but just don't you know i can be upset but i can't be surprised
01:43:03.680you know we're not surprised by any of this like we we we came into this with our eyes open look0.95
01:43:09.120the shit we talk about yep if we're talking about like nazi ufos in antarctica they're probably0.91
01:43:15.080going to come for us at some point right of course moving on there's this book i really0.99
01:43:20.900wanted to discuss i might not get to discuss it that much but it's a pretty it's one concept
01:43:26.620and the book was actually pretty short but we had a lot of people we had a kel who's a fan of the
01:43:33.140show uh keluthera he recommended this book it means a lot to him and i enjoyed it quite a bit
01:43:38.240And I wanted to place it right here after our coverage of Logos Rising by E. Michael Jones, because this is another Christian book.
01:43:47.560And we're not going to make a huge arc out of this just doing Christian books, but this is one that introduces an idea that a lot of people will be familiar with.
01:43:55.680And I just thought it makes the most sense to have one after the other.
01:44:04.980It introduces this idea that a lot of people have heard, and I think it's a pretty important idea.
01:44:09.800And there might be some issues I take with the details of it, but it's a fascinating book.
01:44:17.700I See Satan Fall Like Lightning, it introduces the idea of the mimetic crisis, and it utilizes the story of Jesus Christ.
01:44:27.280It tells the story of the Bible. And what's so fascinating about this book is it is characteristically anti-pagan, but it draws more connections and more parallels between Christianity and the pre-Christian world, the pagan world, as some might call it.
01:44:48.220In the same way Logos Rising did by E. Michael Jones, and that's just not discounting the pagan world entirely as just evil or useless, but giving it its due, stating why he believes that the Christian worldview is superior, but going into the details about how Christianity uniquely addresses the problem of what he calls a mimetic crisis.
01:45:14.860um and i'm going to just read parts from the book here and because it's pretty self-explanatory but
01:45:22.140i'm just going to read parts here and i think you'll kind of get what i'm going for because
01:45:25.340a lot of people probably heard mimetic crisis about you know this sort of animosity that
01:45:31.200circulates through crowds like a virus this conflict that moves almost spiritually through
01:45:37.760or like a like a meme would follow between the minds of individuals that's kind of what it means
01:45:42.480so he says um he starts off pretty strong he says all mythical and biblical dramas including the
01:45:49.400passion represent the same type of collective violence against a single victim myths see the
01:45:57.700victim as guilty like oedipus really killed his father and married his mother the bible and the
01:46:03.060gospels see these same victims as innocent unjustly murdered by deluded lynchers and
01:46:09.760persecutors. All such victims are what we've now familiarly call scapegoats, meaning innocent
01:46:16.520targets of senseless collective transference that is mimetic and mechanical. People make scapegoats
01:46:24.960when there's some fundamental truth that they don't want to acknowledge.
01:46:31.300So a person or a society can transfer the blame onto them and expel or eliminate them.
01:46:39.760and imagine that the cause of all of their problems is gone.
01:46:45.720People do it because it produces a sense of catharsis.
01:46:50.280What I found interesting about this book is I was reminded of The Accursed Share by George Bataille
01:46:57.520because it was talking about human sacrifice.
01:47:01.180And this book is talking about human sacrifice as well, or the idea of a victim.
01:47:07.100When we hear about a victim, we think of the modern definition of just the subject of violence.
01:47:12.620But a victim, in the traditional sense, is a bit more elevated.
01:47:16.880A victim is almost like a sacrificial offering.
01:47:20.040A victim was something to be raised up.
01:47:23.080And in The Accursed Share, he was taking more of a cult Marxist view of it by showing how a human sacrifice was sacrificing the surplus of a society
01:47:59.780You know, you don't sacrifice something that's devalued.
01:48:02.840You sacrifice only that is what is the most valuable.0.83
01:48:06.260And so the sacrifice of a slave or of anyone, really, you elevate this individual almost above the king, and then you eventually kill them ritualistically.0.92
01:48:16.980But by the time they're killed, maybe they don't even mind dying.
01:48:20.160Maybe they think they're the most important thing in the world.
01:48:24.820the concealed scapegoat hypothesis illuminates not only mythology but blood sacrifices which
01:48:31.700deliberately reenact the original scapegoating and are done as a precaution against possible
01:48:37.080relapses into violence so basically he talks about like a memetic crisis is when violence
01:48:45.420in a community just targets a certain individual as the subject of that scorn and they attack or
01:48:52.600lynch or kill that individual to sort of end the crisis, almost as a sacrifice, to end the crisis
01:48:58.300so the community doesn't destroy itself. And he's also saying there that this can be ritualized0.78
01:49:04.000going forward. The reason we have ritual sacrifices is because we're ritualizing almost an original
01:49:09.120meta-crisis that we repeat again and again and again to strengthen the community. And what he
01:49:15.480says later is that Christianity was supposed to end that system with sort of the final
01:49:22.180sacrifice or to reveal, in his words, that this scapegoating is the machinations of Satan. But
01:49:30.260we'll get to that in a second. He starts by describing what mimetic desire is, because it's
01:49:35.540not clear to some people. And he cites the Bible, he cites the Ten Commandments, the Decalogue.
01:49:41.380And he specifically talks about the do not covet, you know, your neighbor, right? And he says,
01:49:46.820The notion that the Decalogue devotes its supreme commandment, the longest one of all, to the prohibition of a marginal desire reserved for a minority is hardly likely.
01:49:58.740The desire prohibited by the Tenth Commandment must be the desire of all human beings.
01:52:56.820You know, it's very easy for the cancer of conflict to spread between families and kinfolk.
01:53:02.360And all of these internal conflicts can keep maximizing so they reach a fever pitch that threatens the community itself, unless it resolves itself somehow.
01:53:11.440Either the community destroys itself or finds some other way to resolve it.
01:53:15.740Now he says, he says, Peter is the most spectacular example of mimetic contagion.
01:53:25.740To indicate that Peter will deny him, Jesus refers expressly to the role of scandal, memetic conflict in the apostle's life.
01:53:33.600The Gospels show him to be the puppet of his own memetic desire, incapable of resisting pressures that work upon him from moment to moment.
01:53:41.960the gospels what they one of the things they do from an anthropological viewpoint is to show you
01:53:50.280that the crowd spirit is all-powerful that only jesus can conquer it is all-powerful
01:53:59.700after jesus that it's a real power on earth since it can conquer even peter
01:54:05.380which is pretty disturbing if you regard it as a prophecy too
01:54:13.740of what will happen at the last time which it may well be even the two thieves crucified at
01:54:22.800either side of jesus are no exit no exception to this universal contagion they too imitate the
01:54:28.660crowd like it they shout insults at jesus who was also crucified for the contagion that divides
01:54:35.120fragments and decomposes communities is substituted a collective contagion that gathers all those
01:54:41.220scandalized to act against a single victim who is promoted to the role of the universal scandal
01:54:46.780just like the crucifixion the slaying of john the baptist is not directly carried out by the crowd
01:54:51.900but it's collectively inspired little scandals have a tendency to dissolve into larger ones and
01:54:57.880larger ones in turn go on to contaminate one another until the strongest of these absorb the
01:55:02.360weaker ones. There is a mimetic competition of scandals, which continues until the moment when
01:55:07.300the most polarizing scandal remains alone on the stage. This is when the whole community
01:55:12.120is mobilized against one and the same individual. When Jesus becomes the universal scandal,
01:55:17.860they are influenced in varying degrees by the universal hostility. These rivalries,
01:55:23.560as they multiply, create a mimetic crisis, the war of all against all. The resulting violence
01:55:29.700of all against all would finally annihilate the community if it were not transformed in the end
01:55:35.020into a war of all against one thanks to which the unity of the community is re-established and so
01:55:41.820that's kind of what they're trying to capture with a ritual human sacrifice it's always the
01:55:45.480replenishing of the community in some ritualistic way by electing a victim to stand for that time
01:55:52.280and time again and then he gets into the role of satan and we don't we don't talk about satan that
01:55:56.920much when we were talking about logos rising but um satan is central to this book and what he's
01:56:02.040talking about because in short satan is the essence of mimetic crisis that is what satan
01:56:09.040is within this model i never really heard it explained like that before there was never
01:56:14.560in my experience growing up and never never a grounded definition of what satan was
01:56:21.220But hearing that Satan is like the disease of conflict itself,
01:56:26.140I thought that was kind of an interesting way of framing it.
01:56:28.280So he says, like Jesus, Satan seeks to have others imitate him,
01:56:32.000but not in the same fashion and not in the same reasons.
01:56:37.160Rather than warning us of the trap that awaits us, Satan seeks for us to fall into it.
01:56:43.140He says, the road on which Satan starts us on is broad and easy.
01:56:47.880it is the super highway of mimetic crisis i just like that line the super highway of mimetic crisis
01:56:54.420he says the satan expelled is the one who ferments and exasperates medic rivalries
01:57:01.820to the point of transforming the community into a furnace of scandals in order to prevent the
01:57:07.400destruction of his kingdom satan makes out his disorder satan makes out of his disorder itself
01:57:13.440at the highest heat a means of expelling himself to understand why he's the master of all kingdoms
01:57:18.900of this world and must take jesus at his word disorder expels disorder in other words satan
01:57:24.620really expels satan so that's an interesting way of describing it the best way i could summarize
01:57:28.720it's like satan is the cause of mimetic crisis right he is what brings people to the point where
01:57:35.100the community itself is about to annihilate itself however satan what he really wants is sort of
01:57:42.420crisis and suffering and conflict forever so he has to bring people right to the edge basically
01:57:48.100he's edging the community as it were he's bringing them right to the edge and then offering them a
01:57:53.060way to depressurize they offer he offers a pressure release and allows the suffering to to deflate so
01:57:59.540he can reinflate it again again and again and forever and so it sounds counterintuitive that
01:58:04.980satan would cause the problem and provide the solution but it makes sense within that logic um
01:58:12.420He says, the crucifixion is one of those events in which Satan restores and consolidates his power over human beings.
01:58:19.560The shift from all against all to all against one permits the prince of this world to forestall the total destruction of his kingdom as he calms the anger of the crowd.
01:58:28.760Satan then therefore always put enough order back into the world to prevent a total destruction of what he possesses without depriving himself for too long of his favorite pastime, which is to sow disorder, violence, and misfortune among his subjects.
01:58:43.900It says certain medieval legends and traditional tales contain echoes of the gospel concept of Satan.
01:58:50.560We see in these a kindly, generous man, always ready to lavish benefits on people for little in return, or so it seems.
01:58:58.760his only request is that one soul only one be reserved for him sometimes it's the daughter of
01:59:04.860the king he demands or it cannot be it could really be anyone so even this is what i like
01:59:10.240where he he calls back to pre-christian fables where you see this satanic figure i'll give you
01:59:15.120whatever you want just give me one person sacrifice one person to me it doesn't even
01:59:20.040to be someone you care about but it should be you know and and this this individual takes a
01:59:25.020different form every time but it's usually in a seductive or non-threatening form and he says
01:59:30.880right here the devil's quintessential being the source from which he draws his lies is the violent
01:59:36.780contagion that has no substance to it it's almost like entropy itself in a sense the devil does not
01:59:43.240have a stable foundation he has no being at all to clothe himself in the semblance of being he must
01:59:49.200act as a parasite on god's creatures sound familiar he is totally mememic which amounts
01:59:55.240to saying that nothing saying non-existent as an individual self and he gives an example from the
02:00:02.360old myths he goes back to oedipus he goes back to dionysus and he finds these old greek myths where
02:00:08.720kind of the same thing is happening what's interesting is that he says oftentimes in the
02:00:13.220old mythologies uh the scandalized victim that the victim of the crowd eventually becomes the hero
02:00:18.880so it's almost like a reaffirmation of the sacrifice itself and what he's saying and maybe
02:00:24.260some people disagree with this we have a lot of atheist fans we have a lot of pagan fans we have
02:00:29.060a lot of fans of different religious backgrounds but i the reason i bring this to the show
02:00:32.720is because i think there's something usable in this for everyone like even if i don't
02:00:39.860my main problem with the medic crisis is that he seems to think that there should be no such
02:00:45.400thing as victims in a sense you know but to me living in the real world if i'm living in a
02:00:51.640community and there is an individual who transgresses against our values let's say it's a
02:00:57.440pedophile let's say it's it's a murderer of an entire family and the entire village or town
02:01:03.460rises up against an individual i don't think that's satan working you know and because i
02:01:09.540Remember, or rather, that's not a mimetic crisis.
02:01:12.720That is not Satan possessing that crowd to kill that individual and rid themselves of that evil.
02:01:17.580Because remember, there's this book that we also covered a while ago called On Resistance to Evil by Force by Ivan Ilyin.
02:01:25.400And that was an Eastern Orthodox text, but it was making the case that Christians, and it was a response to Tolstoy,
02:01:31.480who is saying that any employment of violence whatsoever is satanic and that you need to be a pacifist.0.56
02:01:37.960If you're a Christian, you've got to be a pacifist.0.92
02:01:39.860If someone wants to kill you, you've got to let them kill you,0.98
02:03:10.620The collective hysteria is such that they literally behave like beasts of prey.
02:03:15.640In the Oedipus myth, the role of the god Apollo is a good example of double transformation.
02:03:20.540this is the god believed to send the epidemic and punish those who shelter an abominable criminal0.64
02:03:27.440within their walls a son who murders his father and has sex with his mother at first apollo comes0.98
02:03:32.740across as no more than a plague demon once oedipus is expelled thebes finds itself cured apollo has0.76
02:03:39.180rewarded the obedience of the people of thebes and he puts an end to the blackmail that uh would
02:03:45.100henceforth without reason since Apollo is the plague himself he only has to go away to put an
02:03:51.140end to it even if Satan's transcendence is false totally without reality in a religious sense
02:03:56.640on the worldly plane his works are undeniable and formidable Satan is the absent subject of
02:04:02.880structures of disorder and order which stems from rivalistic relations among humans now I know
02:04:09.000there's going to be a lot of pagan guys who are pushing back on basically saying that Apollo is
02:04:14.340satan but i'm just trying to give the book it's due you can get mad at me in the comments
02:04:19.300he says here when we examine the great stories of origin and the founding myths
02:04:24.920we notice that they themselves proclaim the fundamental and founding rule of the single
02:04:29.740victim in his or her unanimous murder in sumerian mythology cultural institutions emerge from a
02:04:36.780single victim ea thiamet and kingu it's the same in india the dismemberment of the primordial
02:04:43.980victim, Purusha, by a mob offering sacrifices, produces the caste system. We find similar myths
02:04:51.180in Egypt, in China, among the Germanic peoples everywhere. How does Cain go about founding the
02:04:56.780first culture? The founding murder teaches the murderers a kind of wisdom, a form of prudence
02:05:02.500that moderates their violence. So he's not even exempting the Bible from this. Cain and Abel is
02:05:07.540really the biblical like the original murder that founds the civilization and i found that was an
02:05:14.140interesting idea that so many mythologies begin with some kind of murder but that murder is seen
02:05:20.680as divine but in the context of christianity he says satan is the first murderer and people might
02:05:28.800hear that if they don't know what you mean by murder they say oh he's like the first killer
02:05:32.760it's like no no no like what is a murder being the first murder means like you birth the concept
02:05:38.040of murder and everything flows from that and that's kind of the argument he makes in here as
02:05:42.680well which is that all human and this is what i like you know and he would see this as the flaw
02:05:49.440in our society but i think it's kind of interesting he says that we've never really escaped these
02:05:55.460cycles we've never really left the pagan world that's something i actually believe i just don't
02:06:01.200think that's a flaw i actually i see a lot of old folk ways that are still relevant in our society
02:06:07.960a lot of old pre-christian traditions that we carry with us but he was basically saying that
02:06:12.700every human institution that we create still emerges from that first murder like nothing we
02:06:18.680do is really in line with christ or in in line with the sort of victim forgiveness that we should
02:06:25.980do um i just think that that's probably impossible practically you know because here i am defending
02:06:31.900mob violence so maybe i'm not cut out for that i guess um and he says here and what separates
02:06:38.960christianity apart in his mind is that the crucifixion reduces mythology to powerlessness
02:06:44.420by exposing violent contagion which is so effective in the myths that it prevents communities from
02:06:50.420ever finding out the truth namely the innocence of their victims and i don't know what i found
02:06:55.240interesting this book is how he frames this theology in sort of in a modern scientific
02:07:01.260context where he's talking about contagions he's talking about viruses he talks about things being
02:07:06.080mimetic which is a very modern idea like how ideas transfer as if they were viruses you know there
02:07:12.500might be limited language to describe that centuries ago but you're trying to like approach
02:07:19.380this sort of spiritual problem this problem of like evil propagating with through a scientific
02:07:26.440lens i thought that was kind of interesting and we talked about this in that book political
02:07:31.420ponderology about sort of like the spread of evil or the spread you know one could call it evil the
02:07:38.240other could call it like severe anti-social mentally ill tendencies but they both kind of
02:07:44.220spread in the same way and they both represent the discombobulation of order they both represent
02:07:49.900some kind of cancer destroying the system it's all the same thing um and what he's trying to
02:07:56.180get to the root of is how this cancer can can ritualize itself that it can die and live again
02:08:04.140and die and live again forever and the the main point he was making is that that's still our world
02:08:09.020We still live in a world that is defined by death and resurrection, and we still have sacrifices.
02:08:15.440He even mentions here that, you know, even in our media, even with celebrities, people talk about why do we love seeing celebrities rise and fall?
02:08:25.920They're just human sacrifices in another sense.
02:08:30.100You know, and once you look at it like that, like, I think that's what I'd like people to take away.
02:08:35.720Even if you want to sidestep a lot of the biblical stuff, let's just focus on human sacrifices and the role human sacrifice plays in one way or another in our world and how we still use human sacrifice as a way, not all the time, but sometimes as a way to, you know, to assuage some kind of cancer that's running through the community or the society.
02:09:02.520You know, there's a lot of people who could look at this and see maybe certain memetic contagions in our society.
02:09:08.260You know, there's some people who could listen to this and say, oh, that's what wokeness is.0.78
02:09:11.760They could say the wokeness is looking at the white male as the ultimate victim, that all of these minority groups and all these special interest groups, all these marginal groups are uniting against to sacrifice to their sort of dysgenic biomass.0.74
02:09:27.340That's one way you could look at it.0.91
02:09:28.880And you could show that to Tim Poole and he would like it, I'm sure.
02:09:32.520But like I said, I think there's stuff in here that a lot of people could use.
02:09:39.080And one of the things I disagree with him is that he ends the book saying that this is why our society is the best society ever, that we actually do treat victims and elevate victims, whereas before we used to persecute them, we no longer sacrifice victims like we used to.
02:09:56.780And that's why, you know, our modern, arguably secular humanist society is the best. And I'm not sure I agree with that. And I'm not sure, you know, he would tell you in the same breath that, you know, all of our institutions are still kind of modeled after these ancient models, which are founded in pre-Christian ritual sacrifice that's never left us.
02:10:17.980so you know it's hard to say that we're living in the best society if nothing really has changed
02:10:23.820we've just kind of tweaked the sacrifice model um so and i know that was probably a lot for people
02:10:30.480and you know we usually don't get into a lot of this biblical stuff but renee gerard is a very
02:10:35.100well-respected thinker and um i think the the concept of a meta crisis um and sort of a built-in
02:10:44.180pressure release to replicate that as a ritual forever there's something there there's something
02:10:51.400i find fascinating about that what do you think yeah that's interesting i like as as you said
02:10:56.540kind of looking at looking at it from a phenomenological standpoint and just explaining
02:11:03.100all of the moving parts without undermining the spiritual or like religious meaning of it it's
02:11:12.500it's kind of i didn't read the book but it seems like it's kind of an interesting thing to do
02:11:16.020i'd like i kind of like to read it myself and see like how how he pulls it off whether it's
02:11:20.180convincing or not but it's it's interesting that's a neat concept it's hard to grasp i've definitely
02:11:24.980i lost you at a few parts there but it seems neat yeah there's some quotes that i pulled that
02:11:30.340might sound like a lot or he's he's referring to earlier biblical passages so i i kind of grabbed
02:11:37.300the quotes i thought were most important so if some of the stuff went over people's heads it's
02:59:00.600slicing his fucking stomach open i'm just imagining he's trying to like1.00
02:59:11.400pull some damn fucking like instead of the military it's like the cartoonist alliance1.00
02:59:16.820he's like i'm taking over the cartoonist alliance and he's like i have failed1.00
02:59:21.400with like a stapler or some shit because he's like obsessed with the like office0.58
02:59:30.820well i mean this is leads right into our next award that you had written down the best suicide
02:59:37.220of 2023 yeah and he didn't he didn't do it so i had to remove the category because let's
02:59:43.620there wasn't one you know it's uh it's tragic but what can i say you got me about to look up like
02:59:50.080who killed themselves who killed themselves in 2023 okay that's a little more
02:59:55.300oh man scott staff turned it around oh yeah it's true it's true all right okay let's see what's
03:00:05.800the next category we are the best the best song of 2023 let's let's go back away from the memes
03:00:12.240for for a little bit i think we we went down the rabbit hole but uh oh okay i was sharing that
03:00:17.660screen but it's okay because it's my my throwaway um okay well now i can oh i just put my social0.99
03:00:22.900security number on the internet whoops uh uh idiot alert uh just uh uh hello uh fucking retard0.99
03:00:32.120department uh hello um just uh just so the best song of 2023 personally for me was uh just genesis0.99
03:00:43.060by uh by grimes remix um and i don't know about you guys it was either that or radiohead
03:00:50.480everything is fit or happier you know fit or happier true true true um yeah yeah i i'm like
03:00:59.580you know it'd be great if we just had an old ass radiohead song 30 30 years running radiohead
03:01:05.760wins again i i'm at it just a place where you know i'm in the google docket right something0.60
03:01:12.340by bones i don't know just pick pick a thing by bones it was a boiler by limp biscuit oh actually
03:01:20.860no my song for 2023 is my own personal hell by bones like unironically that's my favorite song
03:01:27.000awesome choice good choice judas what was your top song i like uh i like the fuzz cover of
03:01:35.66021st century schizoid man that's a good that's what i've been listening to that's a good one
03:01:41.200you're making music though like me just never talk music that often because i watch a lot of
03:01:48.740music but but like we have very similar musical tastes like is that a real song like that you
03:01:54.000like yeah yeah yeah fuzz is like uh it's like what do you call it like neo-psychedelic rock
03:01:59.060from australia like you know like you know like uh king gizzard and the lizard wizard
03:02:03.800i have heard of it uh zoomer yeah it's like that so i immediately decided i probably didn't want it
03:02:09.440it's a vibe it's a vibe i drive a lot so oh fair yeah you got one of the most patrician tastes0.51
03:02:19.940in music i think like i was always amazed by like your cd collection and shit and that you were like
03:02:25.080also into metal and that surprised me too because i was just like the weird metal guy
03:02:29.380oh yeah yeah hell yeah nice uh i also wanted to give a shout out while we were here
03:02:37.060to uh our friend friend of the channel who makes music uh eschatonic the eternal end
03:02:42.900on uh telegram he uh makes some decent music there uh electronic and uh yeah it is good stuff
03:02:52.400no he's really good i'm gonna try and get him on the show in the next uh little while because i'm
03:02:58.440i'm truly a fan of his stuff oh he's great the big wing yeah i uh i hang out with him sometimes
03:03:04.880irl and he's always a hoot so highly recommend he's the he's the greatest the best old winkler
03:03:12.800it's just anything that's not fucking like vaporwave like yeah type of like dark synth stuff0.75
03:03:21.000anything that's not that i was saying that um like two years ago now almost that vaporwave0.76
03:03:27.240as a vibe is like dead and buried like you can't just do vaporwave forever like that like it's
03:03:35.280funny because i talked to some guys who've been in the the this thing of ours as thomas seven
03:03:40.260seven would say for like a long time like 10 years plus now and um they are stuck in the idea of the
03:03:48.340vaporwave aesthetic which is interesting to me but i think it's because it's when they came in
03:03:52.920that was in vogue and they're stuck in that mindset and i think there's like still value
03:03:58.560in the 80s aesthetic but it's definitely waning as uh we move into the 90s uh the people the 90s
03:04:05.540kids are now taking the reins let's say well you know what and genus i'd love to hear your thoughts
03:04:11.980as we've discussed this before but um the more i get into learning it more about furniture and
03:04:18.020architecture the more i get into everything from the 60s and 70s because um and i think you had
03:04:25.440some thoughts on this we discussed this on the show but i'm like um if you look at how things
03:04:29.680were designed back then it was like the last era that truly had a functional or organic sort of
03:04:35.260aesthetic like you saw how they were designed to be lived in you saw more sunken floors you saw
03:04:41.200more things built into walls like there was a bit more like oh how are people going to use this space
03:04:47.440instead of just this sort of you know fragmented these these soulless boxes and you saw that in
03:04:53.400everything you saw that in furniture i know you're a big fan of that old style of furniture i never
03:04:58.460got that i never understood like i knew your visual aesthetic was cool but like i never
03:05:03.280understood why you loved it so much until you know not long ago but i'm like i don't know there was
03:05:07.560just something about that era and how they built things yeah the way there's different ways to
03:05:14.060The way that I describe, one way to describe the post-war period as relates to design is like pre-war, you had limitations on material and limitations on technique.
03:05:26.640So it was like you have this pantry of food that's quite limited.
03:05:30.320You have very few ingredients you can cook with.
03:05:33.060And then post-war, you have this window where everybody's wealthy and you're trying new things from a design perspective.
03:05:39.380You have plastics now and you have Bakelite and you have plywood and you have aluminum, which is new at that point.
03:05:45.560You have all kinds of things. Tin is half the price it used to be.
03:05:48.260You have all of this stuff coming together. You have automation.
03:05:51.520And this is like Ma comes home for the first time ever with this cornucopia of fruits and vegetables and lays it all out on the table.
03:05:57.760And by the 1980s, you realize your pantry is too fucking small and nobody's ever put these on the shelf and they don't know how.0.75
03:06:03.200Now it's all rotted. There's flies everywhere. And that's essentially where we're at right now.0.90
03:06:07.200like you we've had everything we could ever want since the 1970s and what's happened is for
03:06:14.180whatever reason the worst ideas and the worst processes have risen to the top it's been a race
03:06:19.080to the bottom you know since then so there's a brief window where it was glorious and new
03:06:24.440and nobody really knew how this was going to shake out and the way that it shook out was0.89
03:06:28.840it's shit and the sad thing is all the great components and the great materials and ideas0.93
03:06:33.140like you think what you saw 50 60 70s they're still there but we don't do them because a lot0.98
03:06:37.780of them are expensive and convoluted so well just anecdotally let me just say this just out on top
03:06:43.300that sorry uh i'll try and keep this short uh when my son was born nickels we call him um he's around
03:06:50.580nine months old now we bought nursery stuff and one of the things we bought was like a new dresser
03:06:55.460and we got it from this store called uh struck tube which is supposed to be like oh my god bougie
03:07:02.180people's ikea it's just more expensive than ikea right yeah yeah and and it was still it's not
03:07:07.480cheap like it cost us a couple few hundred dollars right it's garbage and like six seven months in0.96
03:07:14.920it's busted to shit and we're not doing we're not doing fucking tricks on it we're not grinding on0.99
03:07:21.420one of the fucking skateboards it's just the the drawer just like collapsed one day and i built it0.99
03:07:26.860like building these things is easy but you can tell the wood shit i'm like this wasn't made to0.99
03:07:31.460even made to last a few months yeah for the simple thing it was for so i talked to my wife we're like0.93
03:07:36.640okay we got to buy a new one and i'm like okay well i guess i guess we go antiquing because i0.83
03:07:41.680this was supposed to be the better version of the ikea but i'm like anywhere any fucking dresser i0.98
03:07:48.120buy is going to be fucking shit unless i spend eight hundred dollars and or maybe i get lucky0.99
03:07:55.420at a flea market or antique store and buy something that fucking an old lady died on1.00
03:08:01.560pretty much anyway that was just my thing like nothing is made anyway we can move on that's0.96
03:08:09.400just no it's true it's uh it's like i said it's a race to the bottom right like everything that's
03:08:13.760built now is only built with one thing in mind it's the the the profit motive not that there's
03:08:18.580anything wrong with profit but for it to be profitable if it's made in china it has to be0.94
03:08:22.620extremely cheap it has to be flat packed they don't give a fuck whether it lasts they don't1.00
03:08:25.920give a fuck if it has a bad effect on the environment or if there's vocs that are1.00
03:08:28.880poisoning your children they don't care right because once you bought it you're you know you've0.99
03:08:32.580already spent the money so that's like the number one there's essentially nothing is nothing's good
03:08:37.160anymore it's the modern the number one issue of modernity is that all externalities are offloaded
03:08:42.820to somebody else so like all these issues are either pushed down the line to someone else or
03:08:48.200you're taking on the like if you buy ikea i speak as i look at all my ikea furniture that's falling
03:08:54.460apart because it's ikea furniture um like they push the externality on you assuming that you're
03:09:00.720like oh well it's cheap now so i won't have to worry about it till like five years down the line
03:09:04.040when it's falling apart and then i'll have to buy it again but it was cheap so whatever um or in the0.70
03:09:08.480case of like you said in china like we just dump all the labor we jump all the problems on china
03:09:13.440it you know like if you look at plastic recycling quote unquote it's put into it's like shipped to
03:09:19.640the philippines and then they dump it in the river and then it goes into the ocean patch
03:09:22.540you know like all of it's just pushed off to someone else um the dating market whatever whatever
03:09:27.520whatever you look at everything um it's all just pushing off externalities until later it's like
03:09:33.040you're trying to run away from time but time always catches you in one way or the other and
03:09:38.720yeah nobody's trying to murder in my mind yeah that's a good one um yeah like I don't know like
03:09:44.280there's no we need to return to there's no feet so like I was talking about this in the sauna
03:09:51.680because that's where you have good conversations with like random people there was like a documentary
03:09:54.740guy in the sauna that I was talking to and he's like he's like uh he's trying to make a documentary
03:10:00.240about um talking furniture in the bathhouse again they left men male male issues right like you know
03:10:07.000this current issues for men and whatever and he was talking about that and um you know i was saying
03:10:12.840to him like the problem is that like all when you do something now the externality is not necessarily
03:10:20.200immediate so like if i if i touch fire i'm immediately injured and i will not touch fire
03:10:26.160again but if i do something stupid for that doesn't immediately impact me and i do that
03:10:31.420like say for instance i play video games and only video games and i get the government's money0.98
03:10:36.380handed to me for 10 years and then i realize oh shit i've ruined my life there's no immediate0.83
03:10:42.440feedback loop so you can't learn you just go and go and go until it's a complete mess and your0.98
03:10:48.420train is derailed and it's impossible or very difficult to get back on the track whereas you
03:10:54.140know in the past it's like i i forgot or i didn't you know it's like the ant in the grasshopper or
03:10:59.800whatever it's like i didn't prepare for winter i die or like yeah i'm going to die there's and
03:11:05.680and maybe you're saved by your neighbor and then the next year you learn but you don't have that
03:11:09.620happen here you don't have that happen right and what when it's when it's this kind of positive
03:11:15.000feedback or yeah when it's a feedback loop that's that's spiraling you down into oblivion and it's
03:11:19.500over a long enough time frame the insidious thing about it is each level down that you go you
03:11:25.180normalize it and even if you do realize something's wrong the impetus is then to step back up a level
03:11:30.720and relax it's like no no you don't understand how far you've gone like we just talked about
03:11:34.240this recently the whole thing about the nuclear family none of us have we all have broken families
03:11:38.180we're all trying to get back to the nuclear family the nuclear family was a modern invention it was a0.74
03:11:41.940post-war jewish invention the action we should be going back to the corporate family but only now0.90
03:11:46.260after decades of this are we even starting to talk about corporate families which was actually0.90
03:11:50.620the vast majority of us across all civilizations for all of history had corporate families so
03:11:55.460again we're only just touching it and again relating it to design like people are saying
03:11:59.640like we have you look at your furniture now and it's like all chipboard and made of garbage0.96
03:12:04.240plastic and shit and it's like if we could only go back to like good solid materials thinking of0.96
03:12:09.320like plywood and pine it's like it used to be that you'd have hickory and oak and maple and0.99
03:12:14.060good solid locally sourced hardwoods and not even plantation grown hardwoods but 100 year old
03:12:20.640standing hardwoods that were you know half an acre you know just right there on your lot
03:12:25.440yeah and like that it's inconceivably different and honestly some of that you can never get back
03:12:31.220we're going to take a hundred years to get it back it's just you know we're so far gone i mean
03:12:35.300i'm i'm currently uh work i'm currently uh coming to you live from a desk made in like the 50s and
03:12:41.360it's really nice and good nice but it just stuck around um and it was found i think on the side of
03:12:46.680the road because sometimes like i don't need it anymore i got my uh yeah same i'm at i'm at a
03:12:50.920that's not even that nice it's from like the 80s it's about half maple and it was the same thing
03:12:55.180it was free somebody was just throwing it out and i'm like i can get this or i can spend 100 bucks
03:12:58.860for something from ikea this is not a good shape it'll last another 30 years easy so yeah like
03:13:03.740all right so we got a question from milk trucker here uh are tin roofs based i say yes because i
03:13:11.360live under one and it's great you live under a tin roof yeah well it's like aluminum or metal
03:13:17.180of some variety that's cool yeah it works pretty well and um it sounds nice in the winter it's got
03:13:24.840a it's got a really soothing sound when the rain hits it yeah we had a place with a tin roof patio
03:13:30.600and you could always hear it because it was right outside the window when it was raining it's nice
03:13:34.260we are actually meme right now it's like mom can we have nick rochefort we have nick rochefort at
03:13:39.880home nick rochefort at home it's us we're the nick rochefort it takes three men to create a
03:13:45.500nick rochfort that's how big he is three canadians equal one american uh bostoner um
03:13:54.940yeah um so i think the next thing i wanted to go over was uh the game of the year and i know
03:14:02.720dimes you were speaking before we started that video games you don't get a lot of time to play
03:14:07.360them um and judas i assume the same i got i got in more this year i have time but you know what
03:14:14.460about two months ago i made a commitment to myself i was just not gonna i just wasn't gonna play
03:14:19.140video games anymore because it takes so much of my time and it really i feel it it eats it eats
03:14:24.560your brain it's like a surrogate activity that's sucking your essence out you know what i mean
03:14:28.860let me just give people the context of what he's talking about here so a good example what he's
03:14:34.240talking about is uh judas used to run a factory um he's very skilled the tradesman and he would
03:14:41.640run his own like manufacturing setup and then he would go home and play factorio
03:14:47.220or dyson sphere project dude for hours you you play mind-breaking games you play dyson sphere
03:14:54.540project which will take over your entire life i had a friend go on ei for like or not ei actually
03:15:01.080sorry he just saved a bunch of money working and then he quit his job and then did nine months of
03:15:05.800just playing factorial sleeping and playing factorial every day until he ran out of money0.88
03:15:10.700and then he went back to and then he went and got a job as a like a roofer so like damn you know now
03:15:17.560now he doesn't do that anymore he still plays factorio when he can but like he was like i'm
03:15:22.740just gonna quit my job and uh i'm just i'm just gonna play factorio and i'd go what a life hang
03:15:28.900out and be like what are you up to he's like bleary eyed like oh i just played factorio for
03:15:33.540like 16 hours yesterday and then i slept i was like oh okay like i'm like have you considered
03:15:38.960getting into just that as a job no i don't want to do that oh okay yeah like the games like i used
03:15:47.020to play a lot more games before uh my my son decided to be get his ass born um but like i i
03:15:55.120was always more into indie games i was more into more like boomer shooters and things like that
03:16:00.240so i'm very much like a white guy stereotype but uh like there's games that i wanted to get to but
03:16:06.400and like the one I was stuck on which I think you might end up talking about now is the fixed
03:16:12.760version of cyberpunk 2077 that um I got my steam review like this is how much you played this year
03:16:19.560and it was literally like nothing all year and then October like 50 hours I I that was me going
03:16:27.760okay I'm gonna play I'm gonna play cyberpunk it's fixed now I'm gonna play it and then just playing
03:16:33.520that like every hour I wasn't working for like a month and uh yeah that game it now that it's
03:16:40.680fixed is really good and has a lot of really good um aspects to it um I'm actually working on a on
03:16:47.360an essay that I wanted to put together but I've you know it's been a little bit of a busy month
03:16:54.000uh what with Christmas and such but um you know I kind of wanted to just like touch upon I won't
03:17:00.420talk about it here but there's a lot of things that um that i think cyberpunk like a lot of
03:17:05.880people say cyberpunk as a genre is kind of like dead now i think this game revived it in a healthy
03:17:11.220way because a lot of what happened to cyberpunk as a genre is like by the 90s became just like
03:17:16.200complete gobbledygook nonsense and they had given up on like doing interesting things but the
03:17:21.840cyberpunk um base black man who makes cyberpunk actually does a really good job of um you know he
03:17:28.500he i watched an interview of him and he literally every single day wakes up and basically does what
03:17:33.680we do which is read through all of the news news articles about technology all the news articles
03:17:38.640about every everything going on in the world and um writing writing stories about that and i thought
03:17:46.640that was super interesting and that's why i feel like a lot of what he has in that game
03:17:50.920speak to uh what the future looks like if we're not careful yeah no i agree completely um i'm
03:17:59.640sorry i was just looking through my steam library here like the one i was playing
03:18:03.120the most that i think came out that 2023 was sons of the forest yeah you talked about on the
03:18:09.860podcast didn't you yeah it's like sons of the forest and the turbo overkill um cyberpunk 2077
03:18:17.180mortal sin which is like this really really cool first person shooter and then um then a bunch of
03:18:22.900games that uh trepang 2 i was playing that for a while but these are half sword half sword was the
03:18:28.360name of that one you were talking about half sword okay my game of 2023 is half sword is a pre-alpha
03:18:35.000demo um for you can play for free right now it's janky as hell i've played uh like 30 hours of that
03:18:44.32030 hours of this like not even a game but it's just like a physics engine test it's like a hack
03:18:51.140and slash where you can like do real realistic damage to buys a cut off arms and legs and stuff
03:18:56.980and oh yeah wound wound them and they're on the ground then you'd like smash their skull open0.98
03:19:00.980i play that for like 30 hours and so that's my game of the years that fucking demo0.95
03:19:06.360hell yeah nice um armand asks favorite william gibson story i'm gonna say it's gotta be neuromancer0.76
03:19:13.900i don't think like i've read his other books i don't think he ever hit the same heights as
03:19:18.880neuromancer he like hit something with neuromancer and then that was about it i read count zero i
03:19:24.580read mona lisa overdrive i read idoru idoru sucked to bh um yeah no that's that's my
03:19:33.880my thought of gibson count zero wasn't like terrible it was just not as good as neuromancer
03:19:39.820yeah neuromancer was um is like this other book i read i think it's called to the stars my darling
03:19:47.300it's like an older book but in the sense that i was genuinely surprised at where it ended up
03:19:52.680where if you go into neuromancer knowing oh it's it's like a the original cyberpunk sort of story
03:19:58.200you're going to with certain prejudices but by the end of it it's become such a like existentially
03:20:04.680mind-bending journey like the the scope of the story is way deeper than you would ever think
03:20:11.440and i don't think that's ever been achieved by altered carbon snow crash any of that0.96
03:20:17.620fucking shit i don't really like but it's like it does there's something missing from it and0.98
03:20:23.380almost spiritual i would argue yeah neuromancer i gave it to a friend to read and he gave it back1.00
03:20:29.080to me and he described it like doing drugs without doing drugs which i thought was a good description
03:20:33.680of it yeah like back then when you're projecting here's what cyberspace is going to be you lacked
03:20:41.760maybe like the language of the people who are really raised in it so his idea of like what0.97
03:20:46.720traversing cyberspace would look like is just so fucking trippy in a tron sort of way like you0.64
03:20:53.240don't we don't have the mind to make something that charismatic like tron anymore it has to be0.99
03:20:59.460a bit too real you know yeah that's true or a better example reboot reboot is so weird reboot
03:21:07.220man um yeah we can move on from games i think so anyway that was cyberpunk 2077 for me
03:21:16.140and uh short sword for dimes best temperature of 2023 celsius get uh yes thank you yes
03:21:25.400uh why would you say something so controversial and yet so true yeah yeah uh paul fahrenheit
03:21:33.900joined the server paul fahrenheit rename yourself paul celsius and then we can talk
03:21:39.240all right yeah that's great canada like deep back deep in my bones i am just a shitpost and
03:21:47.360contrarian so i might be coming around on fahrenheit we gotta start calling him saul
03:46:46.920that's frey wren that's my recommendation we'll move on from there um let's see i think we can
03:46:55.200probably wrap up here in a little bit um if you got to get going dimes i know it's been a little
03:47:00.100while yeah yeah i i'll get going if you wanted to wrap it up i think we covered all the main stuff
03:47:07.200i don't want to spend too long on the movie corner anyway yeah um i guess we'll just i guess
03:47:12.440end with a thought i guess like what was your like 2023 i didn't see as a very
03:47:19.880hello you know energizing year when we were in it but i do feel cautiously optimistic towards
03:47:27.8202024 how do you feel about last year and going into 2024 um the yeah i don't know i feel like
03:47:35.740on a personal level i feel like i personally am set up for 2024 but in terms of
03:47:42.640the world i think we're heading into a worldwide economic um recession um and this is brought on
03:47:51.040mostly by just looking at again like because you know i speak japanese i read a lot of japanese
03:47:56.560media it looks like japan which is the third largest uh economy in the world um is entering
03:48:01.360into pretty dire straits economically um the united states seems to be starting to buckle1.00
03:48:07.880under the weight of all the lazy no good people i mean they had nine million illegal immigrants last1.00
03:48:13.440year um and then canada we've had countless people come um i don't know if you saw the news of like0.98
03:48:22.100um food banks turning away um international students and stuff who were literally just
03:48:27.820trying to uh steal um oh i see milk yeah it's freyren i'll write it in the chat
03:48:34.500yeah anyway my point being is i think um
03:48:39.060i think that i think that um 2024 is going to be a year of change i think that we're going to see a
03:48:48.620lot of change i mean we're coming into the american election they're going to have to probably pump a
03:48:53.300lot of money into this system to keep biden from not being re-elected if that makes sense
03:49:00.400yeah um the stuff i'm seeing with trump and them kind of making the same mistakes trying to make
03:49:07.100trump the dark horse candidate that seems like a strange mistake they're making in canada the one
03:49:13.660thing that's really given me pause was and maybe you can confirm or disconfirm this we seem to be
03:49:20.920moving ahead with universal basic income yeah right i saw that um like that's that's it we're
03:49:27.400done like that's the normalizing ago we're gonna give two thousand dollars a month to everyone
03:49:32.180especially refugees i'm like okay then like we're done then like as a nation that canada just won't
03:49:39.520exist well i mean i don't know if you saw but canada had the greatest e-migration in years of0.87
03:49:45.740of citizens so people are leaving canada in droves if they can afford it which means boomers are
03:49:51.340taking all their money and leaving um which means all of the young people are going to be left with
03:49:57.180even greater weight on their back um but yeah and and just to point people to a book where we
03:50:05.480discussed this and i discussed this with i think it was disgraced propagandist uh recently it was
03:50:10.620the book Exit Voice and Loyalty by Albert O. Hirschman. There's a lot of good stuff in there,
03:50:16.520even though it's very acutely focused on firms. There is a social phenomena. Some people know
03:50:24.620it's the Pareto Principle. It's got a lot of different names. People generally understand that
03:50:29.140within any human distribution, there's a top percentage, a top percentile, top 20%
03:50:34.540that do all the work. They're the high skilled, highly educated. They're just leadership material
03:50:39.300um and a phenomenon that we see in everything from neighborhoods to firms and organizations is
03:50:46.620these tend to be the first ones to leave and this hollows out any you know like in a school like the
03:50:53.420most capable the people who know the most the people are paying the most attention they can
03:50:58.540see a shift and like i'm going to get ahead of this i'm going to get out while the getting's good
03:51:02.620so they take all their skills and the ones that you're left with are kind of the low performer0.96
03:51:07.400curve types the ones who are they're not retards but they're the least likely to enact change0.99
03:51:15.240they're the least likely to they're the most likely to just go with the flow and so this is0.97
03:51:20.320how you end up with stagnant corporations and so like it's a very this is the thing that
03:51:25.560conservatives they they got their grasp on it that is true that you could chase away the most
03:51:31.820productive members of society i'm not trying to go for an ayn randy and objectivist approach here
03:51:36.800but honestly like if you got like there are people when they hear this they're gonna be like0.89
03:51:41.500i'm not subsidizing this fucking dysgenic biomass i'm taking it's not even i don't sorry i was0.72
03:51:50.700gonna say i don't think it's even an explicit understanding of that i've had two friends0.95
03:51:55.300leave for the states in the past year you know like and it's not even like it's like oh i managed
03:52:02.200to you know one's like a really high performer like getting paid multiples of hundreds of
03:52:07.460thousands of dollars and they're just going oh i can go to the states okay i'll go to the states
03:52:12.520because clearly canada is not great um but they don't know why they haven't like thought it
03:52:17.400through in the same way we have um the problem is is like every person like that that leaves
03:52:23.740means there's one less of us around and that means it it i mean like you were saying it's like as
03:52:31.800that occurs more and more it becomes more and more difficult to pull it back from the brink
03:52:36.960and you end up crashing with no survivors let me just address something trouble is saying here i
03:52:42.220understand where he's coming from where he says we already have ubi with welfare basically um the
03:52:46.880interesting thing about welfare if you've ever been on welfare or know anyone who's been on welfare
03:52:51.260uh the very thing that people hate about welfare is the thing that kind of keeps it honest it's
03:52:56.840that there's a lot of stipulations to get on welfare um one of them is you can't be taking
03:53:02.040drugs that's why there's so many homeless people it's very to get into welfare you have to promise
03:53:06.900you're going to try and stay clean and most homeless people they can't even do that
03:53:10.340um but then you have to actively be looking for a job as well and they check in and they
03:53:15.640you got to be proving that you're at least looking so with ubi it's removing any of those stipulations
03:53:22.260It's just saying you deserve $2,000 just for whatever.
03:53:26.160So at least with, I know the welfare system isn't good, but at least there was something,
03:53:30.660there's some concept that you must be a productive member of society.
03:53:35.620Even though there's all kinds of loopholes, all kinds of inferior, you know, bureaucratic1.00
03:53:40.220bullshit to allow, you know, refugees and whatever it might be, there's, they're at1.00
03:53:44.800least pretending that you got to be a fucking citizen.1.00
03:53:48.260Now it's just like, no, everyone gets $2,000 and here's the worst thing.0.99
03:53:51.160and two thousand dollars is the number i heard that there's going with everyone gets two thousand
03:53:54.560dollars a month i'd already heard murmurs that they were building in stipulations where people
03:53:59.480who make a lot of money don't get that anyway so it's just that's yeah well that was the that was
03:54:04.320when i spoke about this with a friend of the show there on uh he was like well maybe it's balancing
03:54:09.740it out really because the poor people like like trouble said they're already taking it with
03:54:13.260welfare and maybe it balances out because then the rich people are also are just getting back
03:54:17.540their share or whatever and i was like oh that might be a good point but like you said there
03:54:20.980are stipulations there are things that are keeping it in check and i just don't know like what does
03:54:26.220that look like what i mean we're already at the point where i actually think canada's literally
03:54:30.480collapsing in on itself and we're only like a couple years from like just we have to declare
03:54:36.880bankruptcy everybody go home almost oh can i just call out milk trucker here great comment we're
03:54:43.520going full fahrenheit shrugged 84 and uh you know in canada they call that fair uh they call it
03:54:49.780celsius shrugged um celsius shrugged 84 that is a fun fact that was a that was a localization they
03:54:57.800had to do so otherwise canadians would just be like what does that mean i don't know what that
03:55:01.500means like 100 is that boiling or what so they had to they had to change like most most people
03:55:06.700who grew up in the internet know how to speak canadian just by exposure but there's a lot of
03:55:11.280older generations that don't know they just don't know sweden did uh sweden did try out eubi that's
03:55:16.200correct me hi um they did and it was basically they found that lazy people remained lazy and
03:55:23.100the productive people remain productive and it basically made no difference because the the it
03:55:29.580turns out poor people are poor mostly because they're just actually bad with money yeah and
03:55:37.160also like you know not to get too wig natty about it but i'm like hey most of these ideologies and
03:55:43.580political systems work if it's just you know a decent white population like but the problem is0.98
03:55:50.320that's all fucking indians and somalis so you know like i'm sure if you tried this in switzerland if1.00
03:55:57.240you gave every switz person to fucking what do they pay for the donors whatever you know they0.99
03:56:03.000could probably do more with it than the average indian 23 year old would he's just gonna use it1.00
03:56:09.640to buy more porn i don't know what they buy yeah who knows what their fucking money yeah they've0.99
03:56:15.000not dildos i don't know yeah um yeah no it's it's nuts the ubi thing is just crazy i yeah i i guess0.99
03:56:22.040my prediction for 2024 is like it seems like i mean we just saw today joe rogan had a guy on who
03:56:28.840is like counter signaling a lot of the degrowth stuff counter signaling a lot of the um what's
03:56:38.120the other word uh the mass migration counteracting like he was he was questioning a lot of things
03:56:43.240that we've been talking about like this is the thing our talking points and our our concerns
03:56:47.960are becoming mainstream i was watching boomers like there was uh nature published an article
03:56:52.840about degrowth and you're watching boomers find out about this and like threaten him on twitter
03:56:57.000with like murdering him because boomers just do that you know there you'll never find a more fed0.93
03:57:01.160posty group of people than boomers and i appreciate that and they're just like what if we just kill1.00
03:57:05.560you you know like what if what if you're just the problem and we just get rid of you and then the0.98
03:57:10.540problem solved it's like well you know what maybe they're not wrong maybe they're uh maybe they're
03:57:14.620not right who knows but it was just really funny to watch because this guy's going like oh i'm1.00
03:57:18.220getting so much pushback well you know why you're getting pushback because you're stupid this is a0.99
03:57:21.580bad idea so just for the folks at home what was his argument in so his argument was basically we1.00
03:57:28.320need to reduce the amount of energy in the system so that uh we don't destroy ourselves which is
03:57:33.340just a nonsensical it's just more of the green stuff but they're literally now uh signaling
03:57:38.140um that their tribe so to speak intellectually is is like we are degrowth centric i'll see if i can
03:57:46.600find uh a link uh let me see uh nature i think the degrowth versus growth whatever you want to
03:57:56.040call that debate that's occurring right now is one of the more interesting debates because it is
03:58:01.720it hits every fucking pillar it is ideological it is strictly financial it is geopolitical it0.95
03:58:08.820is technological but it's also spiritual in a sense like it if if you ask your average person0.99
03:58:14.920their opinion on this they're going to have an opinion yeah on like is infinite growth possible
03:58:20.040we've talked about this on the show yeah from an economic standpoint um with modern monetary theory
03:58:25.020and other ways you know i take a bit more nuanced approach but like depending how you define growth
03:58:30.680do you have infinite maybe but it would be so restricted to such certain groups anyway i mean
03:58:38.080fancy has the data uh we've been discussing this you know we need more power we don't we actually
03:58:43.480have not been doing much in terms of creating more power for instance in british columbia
03:58:47.300the last time we built a power dam was in 1980 1980 man that's a long time ago we're not
03:58:54.260expanding and you've become people have become so intellectually crippled that if you say
03:59:01.000we should build that there's just a pang in their heads that but that's bad right like we shouldn't
03:59:06.840want to build that right and they don't know why um and this is why or the nature or whatever it's
03:59:12.400like yeah okay when we talk about a propagandized individual i always use the term defined by jacques
03:59:19.060in his book propaganda and that's the one i prefer to edward bernays or a lot of other people's where
03:59:24.200prop a propagandized individual will prohibit themselves from doing something even if they
03:59:30.620logically or emotionally want to um and the example would be like that there's no logical reason to
03:59:35.480believe that you just have a feeling you just that we're not supposed to do that anytime someone
03:59:39.660says you're not supposed to say that the phrase you're not supposed to say that that's them being
03:59:43.860propagandized they can't explain why it's just i i just have a feeling we're not supposed to
03:59:47.400to like this or something uh an example i get was say that yeah you hear it all the time
03:59:52.680you can see the example i gave was when you're if you're in a catholic church you know i don't
03:59:56.900know how many catholics are reading but you know if a priest ever says something against0.99
04:00:01.040homosexuality even in a catholic church which is supposed to be the main one against that people
04:00:05.900like there's like a chill that goes through like oh we're not supposed can you say that it's like0.98
04:00:10.500this is this is supposed to be part of your fucking this is supposed to be a safe space man0.90
04:00:15.580um yeah no it's crazy it sits above all that you know it's crazy it's crazy how how um0.99
04:00:23.000propagandized people are you know even even the word black i don't know if you've noticed that
04:00:28.820people will be like oh like if you're like oh they're a black person or whatever they're like
04:00:33.020well you can't say that what do you mean we they aren't yeah just they're quite quite down quite1.00
04:00:37.960down yeah it's like quite down yeah just yeah oh we can't say that you can't say that um there was
04:00:42.280a really good sub stack um let me see if i can find it it was like magical words um let me see
04:00:51.740oh yeah armand is talking uh here the e acceleration guys are hard on this um it's
04:00:58.360true there's some kooky people in that uh movement where it's the uh the techno optimists
04:01:05.040where they're taking a bit too flowery an approach where they're saying like any concerns you have
04:01:11.040against growth are just the evil pessimists i'm like okay look okay just everyone like there's
04:01:17.020there's some things we need to look at before we start saying that the only people who don't want1.00
04:01:22.200infinite growth are just old fuddy duddies who hate good things like fuck off faggot like shut1.00
04:01:28.080you know we don't need that we don't need we don't need morons trying to get like we'll wait1.00
04:01:33.020till we get women interest in this later don't be saying like oh we can have infinite everything1.00
04:01:37.720if you know no there's some real fucking problems you know what cancer is cancers your cells grow0.91
04:01:43.400too fucking fast yeah exactly it's just it's yeah i mean there's there's i do think though0.97
04:01:50.260but the problem is right now we're actually like i said we're in a degrowth cycle if you look at0.68
04:01:53.860the uk at the graphs at the whatever we won't go over them right now because that would be boring
04:01:58.180but if you look at the graphs um there is a degrowth uh system going on and if you look at
04:02:05.820the birth rates, that's degrowth. If you look at energy, that's degrowth. If you look like we are
04:02:10.600in a, like the reason you feel that you're getting poorer is because you're getting poorer and as a
04:02:15.480society. Um, the reason that things feel like they're getting worse is because they're getting
04:02:20.000worse as a society. And it's not just immigration. It's everything. It's everything because they are
04:02:25.720reducing the amount of stuff that is being produced. They're reducing the amount of energy
04:02:29.760that's being produced. They're reducing the amount of intellectual property being produced.
04:02:33.940everything is kind of reducing and you know the e the eac people would be like oh um ai will fix
04:02:39.860it well maybe maybe not but not really we haven't seen any real uh you know gdp numbers on that or
04:02:46.620anything but um there's a lot of there's a lot of easy wins that we could have if we had the reins
04:02:52.520and so i guess that's the number one issue is we got to get the reins we got to get the reins
04:02:55.720yeah you know an example of d growth would be uh and i quote this guy a lot because he says some
04:03:01.760good things i like but uh it's louis ck and he was on joe rogan and he was delivering what sounded
04:03:09.620almost like a bit he was working on but he was taking an interesting approach that i think a lot0.86
04:03:14.780of the degrowth people are taking now which is like everyone's like oh yeah a lot of these1.00
04:03:18.640immigrants will make things worse well maybe things should be made worse maybe it's bad1.00
04:03:22.700that we have so much and we're right next to people who don't so maybe we deserve things to1.00
04:03:29.420be made a little worse and i never heard someone just outright say that before advocate for their
04:03:34.500own dispossession or their own lowering of standards that was actually the same thing
04:03:40.340like yeah people will say that oh well we have it so good yeah you have it so good right now but
04:03:45.160like and this this is the harsh this is the real reality and it goes back to what i was saying
04:03:49.440about pushing off externalities when somebody talks like that they never mean themselves
04:03:53.600they will never ever mean themselves they mean society as a whole but not me everything will
04:03:58.880be fine for me or um as theron would call it it's a fitness uh signifier you're trying to
04:04:07.600show people that you're fit i can handle infinite refugees because we're just so
04:04:12.460strong as a society um it's like um it's like that it's like i can i can do i can do a lot
04:04:19.760of drugs because i can quit them because i'm mentally strong you know the average person
04:04:24.300can't do this but i can do this um and we've talked about that but uh before i think but
04:04:29.640so i'm just looking at the article he had posted here the return of magic words i'm trying to think
04:04:36.260if we covered that you might have done that on the show uh i don't think you have because that
04:04:40.880came out recently okay then i guess not i guess but you know um the distributist had a series
04:04:49.320called magic words and where to find them years ago so you may have talked about that one
04:04:53.480yeah there was a year where everyone was talking about spells everyone's talking about magic words
04:05:00.320um yeah there's a lot you could drill into that about the and we've done this on the show and i'm
04:05:05.620sure you've done it too about the true nature of language and communication um and i think that
04:05:11.300tied into something you didn't cover yet which was the book you read this year that you thought
04:05:16.120was the best and that was empire and communications but it just it's all bound up in that yeah
04:05:20.660Empire Communications, and I highly recommend, because you did not cover this, not that you were supposed to, but I'm just saying, is worth reading for others, is a plea or time by Harold Innes here on Project Gutenberg.
04:05:37.300It is free to read, and I highly recommend everybody read it.
04:05:41.640I can't give you a summary right now because my brain is starting to get fried, but it is worth a read.
04:05:45.740um basically okay how how time how time has gone away because of how um how fast everything moves
04:05:56.180and this was in 1950 so expand even anecdotally we'd mentioned this a couple of times uh i think
04:06:05.000even in conversation between us where um i said this with judas who very rudely left and i said
04:06:13.060isn't it strange that uh in this culture specifically we have these uh strong demarcations
04:06:20.200between generations as as if you're a part of a team pitted against another team everyone hates
04:06:25.740boomers and then you know the novelist the novel thinker will say actually i hate gen x the most0.50
04:06:31.580or and then it's like zoomers versus millennials like this is a very strange thing we're engaging0.84
04:06:36.880it only goes back so far it only goes back to like the last generation it only goes back like
04:06:41.660four more generations and then it's just the fog of history it really became the during the boomers
04:06:49.820when they had the term that what was it don't trust anybody over 30 which was coined by a
04:06:55.180jewish fellow but you know um there was this idea of like fighting the man and the man was your
04:07:00.860parents and before that it wasn't really a thing like the idea of teenage rebellion was not actually
04:07:06.040really much of a thing until recently yeah not in the way that we think of it now of course you had
04:07:10.160the youthful flights of fancy but you didn't have the same um same same level of like oh i'm i'm
04:07:17.200fighting the parents i'm fighting that because yeah yeah i was gonna say like what's interesting
04:07:22.660is that as the generations have progressed we've started breaking them down further and further
04:07:27.700and so with millennials like oh i'm an old millennial i'm on the high end i'm on the loan
04:07:31.740we saw that with gen x too and then even within zoomers we start fragmenting internally um and
04:07:38.440you'll notice this fragmentation and this is what McLuhan talks about our conceptualization
04:07:43.180of time change time minutes as containers of activity so generation the span of time
04:07:50.140is a container of an identity and that container keeps getting smaller and smaller as the technology
04:07:56.140speeds up you ever heard the term time boxing I have not what is that okay that's where you take
04:08:03.080it's literally just setting aside time and being like I will work between this time and this time
04:08:07.080and like you you literally box your time in and you're like i'm doing this for this period and
04:08:11.640that's all i'm doing and it's uh basically when i was talking about earlier with the whole idea
04:08:16.120of everybody trying to cyber put like cyber uh dization onto their life that's an example of
04:08:21.080it of like we need a time we need to be able to figure out how to organize time because otherwise
04:08:26.040it just becomes a mess of me doom scrolling and so i'm time boxing this i'm doing this task in
04:08:31.200exactly this 15 minutes period and that's something mcclellan talked about um as he will
04:08:37.780say that's more of a product of the industrial revolution and before people even say like of
04:08:41.380course we had measures of time throughout the ancient world everyone could tell when noon was
04:08:46.840people had clocks that were measured by water droplets but we are talking about a distinct
04:08:52.240i don't think time boxing existed the same way and also this was the biggest problem that a lot
04:08:57.460westerners had when they were dealing with african oral cultures mainly african cultures but
04:09:03.040middle eastern cultures is that their biggest struggle was appearing anywhere on time in a very
04:09:08.780very specific sense and they deal with their conceptualization of time isn't distinct as a
04:09:15.060container of action and that's a huge wall that you got to break down and they realize that to
04:09:21.180teach that it's like when they talk about trying to get homeless people off the road off the street
04:09:27.280rather on the road but getting them off the street it's like you don't understand they're
04:09:32.280there because they don't understand how to be honest too like when you deal with these people
04:09:36.860one-on-one the guy from software under belt under bell dealt with this he's like they don't
04:09:41.160understand the value of like saying you'll do something and do it like you need to build up
04:09:46.380so much of their thing like they just won't show up to a job because that's not a part of their
04:09:51.540mind anymore they'll just steal from you because that's part of their mind and to break all that
04:09:55.880town you have to like rebuild them from the ground up so to teach people to show up on time the same0.96
04:10:01.160way we recognize time you have to build a fucking civilization around that just to teach them that0.94
04:10:07.680it's way more complex than you would think anyway i know that was a bit of a tangent as well0.97
04:10:11.980yeah and we came up with like time zones and everything and and again that that i think this
04:10:17.040article goes into it as well it's like we came up with time zones because we started to see um
04:10:21.860you know trains and now we can move places quickly and so because space is being shrunk
04:10:26.500time has been shrunk we have to come up with time zones and so now you know somebody living here is
04:10:31.440doing this and somebody's doing that which we wouldn't have really thought about before prior
04:10:34.840to that because travel was slow so if you're going across the ocean it's like you know weeks
04:10:40.580and when by the time you get there you've adjusted the whole way there and so you wouldn't even think
04:10:44.940about it yeah you know which is it's the spatialization of time which would be such an
04:10:50.060alien concept to an ancient mind that time is different and you move and move to a different
04:10:56.120place and the time is different i'm living in a different time how does that make sense to someone
04:11:02.460who is a pre-literate civilization it doesn't yeah exactly it's like um yeah jet lag is like a very
04:11:10.540recent word a very recent phenomenon you would not have even known about that 100 years ago
04:11:17.000um i like the japanese word for it which is jisei bokeh which is like uh time time lag0.95
04:11:23.460retardation um which which means uh retarded molestation it's a lot of0.95
04:11:29.120yeah it's actually a deep is you got to go you got to go read deep into their lore um0.98
04:11:33.880it's all tentacle stuff huh wow wow wow that's crazy it's crazy man man
04:11:42.140um anyway i actually do need to get going now we should wrap up there yeah thanks for
04:11:48.120coming on and i'm hoping to do more streams here as we go into the new year we'll see what that
04:11:53.400looks like i'm not really usually one for for streaming in the past so i'm going to see what
04:11:59.380i can do uh going forward but thanks for joining me no i had a great time uh people liked us we'd
04:12:07.500come back if they hate us don't worry about it but i had a great time and thanks for inviting me
04:12:12.300on i loved it yeah i appreciate you coming on all right i'll see everybody later i'm gonna try and
04:12:16.680figure out the vod here in a minute so that it's not lost to time yeah if you need any help let me
04:12:22.080know because there's a tricky way to do it all right i'll talk to you later bye
04:12:26.040Hey, baby, I hear the blues are calling