Blood Satellite - I Employ A Uniquely Florid Definition of Neutralization [＂So it costs down. for blowin holes in your life＂]

00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be a

00:00:07.840 blood satellite i got a theme for this episode i think and the theme is going to be uh police

00:00:25.960 this is a police episode oh no um and what i wanted to do to start

00:00:32.120 was uh i think you had an interesting story from this week

00:00:36.480 yes and just uh procured a couple of firearms legally for yourself and the missus and why

00:00:45.920 don't you tell us what you got up to yeah so we got some guns i got a moza nagant my wife got a

00:00:53.600 1022 and we figure we're in canada and we wanted to go practice shooting we did sign up for a range

00:01:00.080 but it takes a while for them to to vet us so we but before you go on let me ask you this yeah i

00:01:05.860 like the images of the rifle you had said it's all just the sort of thing i was looking for

00:01:11.740 how adjacent to homosexuality is it if i get the identical gun that you got well you know i i posted

00:01:20.200 mine and within like two hours soggy is like i was just looking at one of those at the pawn shop

00:01:27.020 and then like two hours later he's like anyway so i went back and bought it so he bought the same

00:01:31.560 one now all the boys are getting the same gun my from my reading the mosin the gaunt and then the

00:01:38.640 sks which is a semi-auto um like wartime the russian surplus rifle these are two of the most

00:01:46.080 common rifles in canada because the ammunition is really cheap and because they're readily

00:01:51.200 available because they're russian so there's a million of them right so it's not weird to be

00:01:56.020 like oh i'm the guy with the mosin no you're not everybody has a mosin everybody has two sks's in

00:02:01.960 canada it's like one of these uh mosin guys no it's just it's like one of the starter rifles

00:02:09.780 like it's they're they're significantly not significantly they're probably like 10 20 percent

00:02:15.680 cheaper but because they're surplus like there's a lot of spare parts for them they're also simpler

00:02:22.120 rifles because they're older rifles they're maybe not quite as reliable but they're decent and then

00:02:26.180 the big thing is is the ammo it's like like i just got my my ammo can and it's like 44 cents per

00:02:34.240 round or something versus like if you're going to get barnall or sellian below it's like uh

00:02:39.040 two dollars or 250 for like a safer 308 or 30-06 rifle rounds are quite expensive in canada

00:02:45.800 so it's a great way to shoot full power rifle rounds cheaply uh to practice which is the reason

00:02:52.380 i got it like i don't intend to go hunting with a mozen i might try it but like my intention is to

00:02:56.940 get good at actually shooting and then get a proper you know 308 or whatever and then i'll

00:03:02.860 go hunt with that so that's the idea so no it's not gay or weird if if you got a mosin too i really

00:03:08.620 didn't i mean i'm not a big russian guy i i would have loved to get like a grand or a lee enfield

00:03:13.120 or something but they're like two thousand dollars it's fucking crazy so this is what i ran into

00:03:18.320 with shotguns so uh what we're gonna do you and me is we're kind of coming out from two different

00:03:24.160 angles i started with shotguns i want a rifle you got a rifle you want a shotgun eventually

00:03:29.200 we're going to end up with the exact same guns yes and the more we get the more synchronicity

00:03:34.540 we'll have but i shoot a trap and skeet and so those are typically you can use a pump action you

00:03:42.240 can you can use any shotgun you want but you any club or you know skeet range you go to you're

00:03:48.900 going to have your lifers your old timers you're going to see everyone's got their guns on display

00:03:54.720 like seven thousand dollar over under shotguns yeah um fine engraving and it like seven thousand

00:04:02.480 dollars i can go up to 20 i've seen them for like it's guns you can spend an insane amount these are

00:04:08.280 not for like crazy antique things these are just for people who are serious about this and then so

00:04:13.680 you're i'm gonna come in with my canuck kill yourself with all my tactical shit i got because

00:04:20.120 you know me why wouldn't i it wouldn't knowing me it wouldn't make sense if i didn't get a

00:04:25.180 retarded gun so i come in with that of course i'm a force of nature you know i'm deadly i'm tactical

00:04:32.240 but they're looking at me you know boomers laughing at me is something i'm not psychologically

00:04:37.500 equipped for i'm should be looking down on them they're looking down at me like oh here here comes

00:04:43.680 the young turk you know with his his fucking six hundred dollar shotgun and i'm pretty good at but

00:04:51.480 then because it's like a group thing it's a group setting which is it could be a feature not a bug

00:04:56.960 depending who you are but that means i got to go in like a lone wolf i got to find a bunch of

00:05:02.020 friends to go on the good trap and ski course where it's like you go into the woods and then

00:05:06.860 there's all kinds of things that pop out and it's a whole afternoon oh nice but i need to find guys

00:05:12.300 anyway i'm gonna get like a i'm gonna get like a used 410 break action single barrel and i'm

00:05:18.540 gonna paint it with like burger king colors and i'm gonna i can't bring that yes fuck these guys

00:05:24.680 uh hold on got a phone call here uh yes

00:05:28.440 uh hello oh uh hell yes department

00:05:34.720 uh you put yes i'll hold judas's gay department why did you put me through

00:05:41.980 excuse me just keep talking i gotta talk you're not even really on the phone are you i think i

00:05:48.540 think this is fraudulent no really no keep talking i'm on the phone

00:05:56.760 they called me collect i gotta take this

00:06:05.880 the judas is gay department it's they call me collect from prison

00:06:13.340 the whole the whole department the whole department in san quentin yeah i was about

00:06:22.860 to say that never happens that actually happens a lot you you are their lawyer and this is their

00:06:27.320 one call that they get i forgot to mention i'm their lawyer yeah they're calling me i got it

00:06:32.580 i gotta take this so because you can't see me i have my hand in the phone you know the pinky

00:06:40.940 and the thumb out and i'm holding my other hand to that as if i'm muffling it yeah waving a

00:06:47.460 far in the air gesticulate okay you got your rifle oh your adventure i got we got our rifles

00:06:54.520 in canada if you want to shoot you can go to a range or you can go to crown land so even if you

00:07:00.240 don't have a hunting license it's all right for you to go set up a target and shoot on crown which

00:07:04.700 is like government land so we look up the nearest land that's crown and general use which means you

00:07:11.960 can shoot without a permit and it's about an hour and a half away but it's very marshy it's actually

00:07:19.080 like it's part of a conservation conservancy conservation area which is called a marsh

00:07:26.040 so we're not thinking this through like it's late march and this is the marsh so we decide

00:07:31.840 to drive down there we get there and then the uh we we start driving in we notice that it's quite

00:07:39.580 It's snowy and like the roads are not maintained.

00:07:44.080 I've got all wheel drive, but it's not like an off-road vehicle.

00:07:47.920 We drive in a ways and we stop the car because we figure, you know, it looks worse ahead than it is here.

00:07:55.820 So we stop and we hike.

00:07:57.180 We hike in about maybe an hour in one way.

00:08:02.680 And then you spot the queen.

00:08:04.400 And we spot, no, we didn't see the queen.

00:08:05.860 We were shooting snowmen, actually.

00:08:07.240 so i don't know if we originated this but we didn't bring targets with us because we weren't

00:08:10.780 fucking thinking so we just built a bunch of snowmen and we're just shooting snowmen around

00:08:14.500 in the woods so we did that anyways we come back well that's good yeah in your professional opinion

00:08:20.220 was there a reason you didn't just shoot trees you're not supposed to shoot trees that's okay

00:08:25.900 and it's one of these things i don't i guess i'm going to put myself on record with some of this

00:08:30.640 shit i'm the guy who likes to follow the rules even if nobody's there so long as i think the

00:08:35.820 rules are reasonable and um i know i know a lot of i don't know why do you think you're getting

00:08:40.340 trouble for saying that no i mean i i feel like people will think i'm a nerd because i know like

00:08:45.820 for example like wearing blaze orange right it's the law in canada you if you're hunting and like

00:08:50.660 in big game open season you must wear blaze orange like all over and i know a lot of guys are like

00:08:57.360 oh yeah keep it in the car but i'm not actually gonna fucking wear it because it's it like

00:09:01.120 fucks with your camouflage but for me i probably will just because like i would rather not get

00:09:07.400 shot and i know that those types of guys who don't wear it are out there and the same types

00:09:12.320 of guys are the guys you're going to be fucking drinking so like i really don't want to get shot

00:09:16.780 by a drunk hick who thinks that i look like a fine buck i don't know i got so i will you do

00:09:26.340 have very deer like qualities i do to a lot of people but also like you are a white man so you

00:09:33.720 live by the book as we all do the difference is we just have debates on what that book is

00:09:38.960 yeah that's my big thing like i think a lot of a lot of our laws are unjust and so i i don't obey

00:09:43.360 them on principle but some of the laws like a lot of stuff to do with conservatancy like i might

00:09:48.220 disagree sometimes with the specific limits but i think that generally speaking the way that the

00:09:53.500 way that the canadian hunting regulations are set up is totally reasonable and the conservancy

00:09:57.340 regulations are quite reasonable in terms of who can do what and where at what time it's really

00:10:02.220 all about just managing our natural environment and making sure that it's there for future

00:10:05.580 generations i sound like a fucking billboard but like that it's all true um especially in canada

00:10:10.460 now that we have all these fucking immigrants who want to come and take advantage of everything

00:10:14.800 which is a whole other topic but see you could tell you were veering towards status judas

00:10:20.420 one of your worst personalities you had to be like but but also the fucking packies

00:10:24.780 i mean without going too far into it i think that the way to really take care of the environment is

00:10:30.760 for the entire thing to be privately owned whether it's by a corporation or a family or by a king

00:10:36.300 but i mean if you think of it the crown land right that's what crown line is it's the land

00:10:43.520 that's owned by the king so it's not this is not a democratic process you're not allowed to shoot

00:10:48.760 the trees because those trees belong to the king and the king has said that he wants to maintain a

00:10:53.800 pristine forest so don't shoot the fucking trees right because the king said so i mean i like that

00:10:59.240 i i think that's fair and if it were my tell that to my son i'm saying those are the king's trees

00:11:03.600 the king's trees if i had muck about if i had a thousand acres i'm going to be doing the same

00:11:07.520 thing i'm going to be saying you can only hunt here with my permission and you're not allowed

00:11:10.620 to shoot the fucking trees and if you're going to take a deer you're going to tell me that you took

00:11:14.120 a deer and you're going to tell me where because i want to know what the population is like this

00:11:17.380 is essentially this is not a new thing this has gone on for thousands of years right so yeah it

00:11:23.060 got you tell your daughters listen you can hunt here you can do everyone but it goes king me

00:11:30.120 uncle dimes

00:11:32.880 dimes's dog rocky mommy that is rocky's tree over there don't shoot rocky's tree anyway so we're

00:11:44.640 we're hunting no we're not hunting we're shooting so we're shooting the snowmen are for people who

00:11:49.280 haven't seen the photos these are what three feet tall no they're not they're not that probably

00:11:53.280 classic snowmen three you know it looks like a brilliant child would make yeah a brilliant

00:12:00.540 retarded child very speedy snowmen so we get back to the car it has been flurrying snow there to the

00:12:06.880 point that while we were there a couple of times we kind of debated whether we should stop shooting

00:12:10.820 and just head back to the car um we had we did have we checked the forecast and we thought it

00:12:15.800 wasn't that bad so we decided to stay but however when we did get back the temperature had dropped

00:12:19.840 a bit wind had picked up and it had snowed more so on the way out not only was it a little bit

00:12:25.120 heavier snow but we also couldn't really see our tracks and then the thing you want to do in this

00:12:29.400 kind of situation because it's marshy there are low areas where we're essentially driving on snow

00:12:33.900 pack on top of ice but the i underneath the ice the ground was not frozen because it's late march

00:12:40.420 so it was actually like run off it's like a wet marsh running off across the road underneath the

00:12:47.000 ice and i think what happened was as we're going through the marsh area we actually broke in fact

00:12:52.800 i know this happened because i ended up having to dig the car out we broke through the ice in one

00:12:57.380 spot my front left tire went through so now we're out in crown land we're like if we wanted to walk

00:13:03.800 to the nearest town or to the nearest house it would probably be like a two hour walk in the

00:13:09.080 snow and in darkness we wouldn't be able to see because again it's the middle of fucking nowhere

00:13:13.620 we have phones we don't have phone connection we have like three bars if we get out only by

00:13:20.200 wife's phone actually and like stand on the car so that's the situation we're in so we're digging

00:13:24.560 and digging we dig the car for like maybe three four hours until the sun goes down and then we

00:13:30.660 And when it also goes down, panic, I imagine, would start to set in at this point.

00:13:34.040 Yeah, it was a little bit.

00:13:35.040 This has not happened to me before.

00:13:36.980 So we weren't that panicked.

00:13:38.660 We even talked about it for a second.

00:13:40.340 We're like, do we just try to sleep in the car and, like, try again in the morning?

00:13:45.320 Because we have lots of food and water in the car because we're kind of, like, kidded for this.

00:13:49.940 And we're like, no, we'll probably die.

00:13:51.640 So we called a tow company.

00:13:53.600 There's an episode of The Sopranos almost exactly like this.

00:13:56.660 We'll be stuck in the car in the snow?

00:13:58.600 Yes.

00:13:59.220 Really?

00:13:59.500 one of the classic episodes where it's paulie and christopher they get stuck overnight and

00:14:04.860 they're they're wearing coats but they're almost about to freeze to death yeah i'm working on a

00:14:09.360 plan give me your shoes i can go get help fuck you you're not leaving me here you don't trust me

00:14:15.900 it's stupid pitch dark out there and what's your fucking plan eat catcher packs we should have

00:14:20.600 stopped the roy rogers and i should have fucked the elevens but i didn't what are those tic tacs

00:14:26.080 i just found them i didn't know i had them on me you had tic-tacs all along give me some

00:14:31.460 there ain't no more i ate them selfish prick i'm dying here now fucking die already

00:14:37.000 we'll watch that episode on the show sometime there we go we called a tow company i told the

00:14:43.840 guy i was not that worried i'm like because the situation was that part of the road we were on

00:14:48.720 that was unmaintained we could i think we were honestly about 200 to 300 yards from the maintained

00:14:55.320 part of the road and it was flat and straight and we weren't even really in a ditch we were just

00:15:00.760 there was a break we broke through the ice because the road was full of ice and washout right we kind

00:15:05.540 of tried to explain that to the tow truck driver and he says you know no problem i'll come up and

00:15:09.400 get you we see him pull up about 300 yards down on the maintained section of road and he gets out

00:15:14.520 of his car and he walks up and he says look if you had to explain to me what this actually was i

00:15:19.980 would have just told you there's no way we can get you out because if i pull my truck in there

00:15:23.620 my truck's going to get lost in the ice so and it's like well i guess we're fucked so what we

00:15:29.560 what we ended up doing was we called the let's imagine he's on the road yelling to you you

00:15:33.600 should have told me it was crown land well you should told me you guys were off-roading it's

00:15:39.000 like technically we're not off-roading like if you look on a map this is a park road it's just

00:15:45.460 that it's not a plowed road and because of the nature of where it is in this season it's quite

00:15:51.620 bad like i've seen pictures of it in the of the park in the summer it's a it's a dirt road but

00:15:56.040 like it's a road that everybody's on like people taking their families up for picnics it's just

00:15:59.580 this time of year you don't want to be on this road so once again begs the question has there

00:16:05.620 ever been a tow truck driver who did not deserve to be ripped limb from limb this guy was really

00:16:12.700 nice and actually he found us after we had already left the site he personally called me back and

00:16:19.500 said that he'd found a guy who lived nearby who owned a farm who had a tractor who would be willing

00:16:25.440 to come up in the ice and pull us out but he wanted he was going to charge like 600 or 800

00:16:30.780 bucks or something and it's like that's not unreasonable for what you're offering but like

00:16:34.960 we're gonna we're gonna find another way because i'm not gonna pay 800 bucks for a guy to come out

00:16:38.300 at 1 a.m in the morning and pull us out you and your wife could have slept with a farmer's daughter

00:16:42.880 if you played your cards right i'm seeing a lot of trap doors and mistakes in this story we really

00:16:49.240 really gambled and threw away

00:16:51.560 our golden opportunity to sleep

00:16:53.600 with the farmer.

00:16:55.120 Christ. Sleep with the farmer's daughter

00:16:57.300 or the farmer. Sleep with

00:16:59.500 someone. There's no way you two

00:17:01.480 are getting out of this without getting

00:17:03.460 laid. If you ring up

00:17:05.500 old dimes on the horn.

00:17:07.640 We call him up while the farmer's there.

00:17:09.600 It's like, dimes, dimes. There's a farmer here.

00:17:11.500 He's got a family.

00:17:14.120 Judas, listen.

00:17:15.300 How fast can you achieve an erection?

00:17:17.000 uh it's it's pretty cold don't fucking bullshit me now tell me

00:17:23.280 so um opp the ontario provincial police which i didn't know they were gonna do this but yeah

00:17:32.220 this is where we get to with the police part of the story we just called the 999 which is

00:17:36.680 supposed to be like less emergency than 9-1-1 but they passed us to 9-1-1 anyways

00:17:41.140 it's so less of an emergency they don't even have anyone i think that's actually i think

00:17:48.140 that's probably what it was is they just didn't have dispatch at that time um so they called the

00:17:53.080 opp and they said yeah we'll send you out to send somebody to get you and i just have happened to

00:17:57.860 mention you know we do have firearms in the vehicle and she's like oh how many what kind

00:18:03.180 are they unloaded are they locked like yeah yeah yeah so two count them two huge opp cruisers like

00:18:11.800 the big armored suvs show up um and they take us the guns have to go in one vehicle that's why there

00:18:19.620 were two vehicles the guns have to go in one vehicle and we went in the other vehicle and

00:18:23.920 they drove us down to like the um detachment unit or whatever it's called which is like the highway

00:18:29.820 it's like on the highway because they're essentially like state troopers right so they

00:18:33.620 just took us down there and then we had family come pick us up and that's so i guess what this

00:18:42.000 is all leading up to was can we get a round of applause for our boys in blue they're boys in

00:18:47.440 black technically they have black in the corner judas friend of the police they were doing their

00:18:54.360 job in what i was thinking because these guys were really friendly and polite they were even

00:18:58.320 like asking about the guns and how's the matter and but um the the thing is what i don't like

00:19:04.600 about it is this i think i mentioned this in another context recently as well the problem

00:19:10.800 with these guys or with a lot of these out groups is on an individual level they're nice but in

00:19:17.440 aggregate what the group represents is something which is damaging to your group and we as whites

00:19:23.400 or as conservatives or as Christians will tend to be really forgiving of these people on an

00:19:29.920 individual level. And then we let that wash away all of the crimes of the group. And we need to

00:19:34.540 learn to not do that. So I'm fighting it because I did actually, I was actually rescued by two OPP

00:19:40.320 guys and they were really nice, but I have to say, doesn't change the fact that they should

00:19:46.860 stand trial for being state stooges who for example enforced covid lockdowns just nine months

00:19:54.560 ago i'm sure these guys were fucking knocking on doors and shutting down weddings and birthdays

00:19:59.120 just nine months ago or just a year ago so they will be on trial they will be on trial

00:20:04.280 and i'll say your honor if it please the court i'd like to introduce evidence number 3072

00:20:12.400 canada's judas being fireman carried by ontario's fine i was not fireman carried that did not happen

00:20:23.320 you fucking guy you'll notice at the uh indicator on the screen he is holding a japanese fan and

00:20:31.620 fanning himself because he was lightheaded well from all of the excitement here's the thing so

00:20:37.860 these guys you could say these guys helped us because these guys did what they drove up to that

00:20:42.860 part of the road with two vehicles totally unnecessarily by the way probably taking huge

00:20:47.840 salaries out of our fucking taxes took us back to the detachment but that didn't help me get my car

00:20:53.720 out okay we had to go back up i borrowed a car from family and we drove back up the next day

00:20:59.300 and we started getting it out stock that two cars in that we're joking about that too it's like we're

00:21:04.300 gonna park far away and hike in because there's no fucking way i'm getting two cars stuck in the

00:21:08.100 same spot so we we did that we we parked it like 300 400 yards back and then we we hiked up to the

00:21:13.740 thing through the snow um we're digging it out we're probably there another two three hours still

00:21:18.340 digging probably making it worse when who shows up but a bunch of old boys with their guns and

00:21:24.760 their dogs and they're just like oh don't worry about it buddy we got a tow rope and then they

00:21:28.740 yank this out no problem not a second thought they even busted a couple of their straps trying

00:21:34.920 and i tried to give them straps and like i don't worry about it i shouldn't even try that like

00:21:38.880 apologizing that he broke his own straps um just the nice canadian oh yeah just the most perhaps

00:21:45.800 the most canadian of stories everyone just helping and apologizing helping and apologizing for not

00:21:51.420 helping enough it was just fantastic and like seriously this first guy that came in he they

00:21:56.640 weren't even going our way they were just passing on the road and they saw us and without being able

00:22:02.860 to communicate with us because of the distance they just drove up over the ice and i wouldn't

00:22:08.540 say he got almost stuck like he had a pretty good truck but like he was risky it was definitely

00:22:14.940 risky for him to come that far in and then when he was pulling us out initially when he was pulling

00:22:20.380 us out he was starting to dig into the ice because his tires were spinning so like there was a moment

00:22:24.860 there when i thought we're all gonna be fucking stuck here so well it's great and you know the

00:22:31.220 timing of everything is right for the for this story right now because you know these guys

00:22:35.880 driving by you're saying where are they going to i bet they pull up they spy you in the field

00:22:42.440 i'm imagining you in a field and they're saying look at that jesus has smiled upon us there's a

00:22:49.480 nice set of holes for us and the boys the guy says not that scratch that it's noon can't be

00:22:56.920 doing that during the day let's go help let's help this this young man out this is like wildlife

00:23:02.660 management where like you never shoot a deer crossing a river you wait till it gets back out

00:23:06.620 before you hunt him like they just wanted to protect us so that they can hunt us later he's

00:23:11.760 probably outside my window right now because it was noon because it was noon yeah you can't do any

00:23:18.980 raping during they're like especially not gay rape they're like raiders this is what new yorkers

00:23:24.800 learned at central park yeah like what it only happens at night can you like gay sex during the

00:23:30.500 day is it doesn't make sense yeah you gotta turn the lights out that's what we learned

00:23:37.960 they hate just hate the light they're like roaches the simultaneous pause as both of us

00:23:43.420 trying to figure out is this going to get us in trouble where do we where do we go from here with

00:23:48.580 this bit but let's stop let's stop let's get ourselves we're stuck in the snow of this fucking

00:23:54.200 bit yeah all right but that's a story of the benevolent police however there's some uh other

00:24:04.700 police news going on right now too uh i don't know if you heard about this it's a story that

00:24:11.020 i've only seen reported in on the sites and the news outlets that tend to make fun of people like

00:24:18.080 us so this isn't like real international news but um i'm because i'm reading this right now

00:24:25.560 off of kotaku but man arrested after making a threat to a sheriff and using the in minecraft

00:24:34.600 defense you heard about this yeah yeah i saw that it was great extremism is extremism here's a clown

00:24:43.640 sitting in his bedroom who's indoctrinated by this bull and thinks the best way to solve the

00:24:49.580 problem is to put a bullet in my head right now on fox 35 news at five sheriff mike chitwood not

00:24:55.780 mincing words when it comes to this man that guy accused of threatening to shoot the sheriff in the

00:25:00.540 head over his aggressive stance on hate speech detectives say he targeted the sheriff after he

00:25:06.260 took on anti-semitic protesters who showed up at the daytona 500 are these demonstrators breaking

00:25:12.420 any sort of laws. Lisa at this point it does not appear so. It appears these demonstrators are

00:25:18.540 simply exercising their free speech rights, but the Volusia County Sheriff is urging people who

00:25:23.640 may have surveillance video or other information about these demonstrators to share it with law

00:25:29.040 enforcement. Take a look at this video that was shot by a Volusia County deputy. It shows an

00:25:33.740 anti-Semitic message being projected onto the side of the Daytona International Speedway.

00:25:39.140 Now, deputies say they were eventually able to block that projection.

00:25:43.000 Nearby, a hate group held up anti-Semitic signs on a pedestrian overpass.

00:25:47.960 In other parts of Volusia County, including Ormond Beach and Port Orange,

00:25:51.420 people discovered offensive flyers left behind.

00:25:54.260 Now, although none of that activity violates any laws,

00:25:57.580 Sheriff Mike Chitwood is concerned these hate messages could inspire someone to commit violence.

00:26:03.140 a 38 year old man has been arrested in south brunswick new jersey after allegedly

00:26:10.040 posting a death threat on 4chan targeting a sheriff in florida and ending his statement

00:26:16.220 with the words in minecraft um and so just to lead with this because i i don't want this getting

00:26:23.940 lost and we'll return to the actual post so the post in question was him saying that the sheriff's

00:26:30.880 name is chitwood so it says just shoot chitwood in the head and he stops being a problem they have

00:26:36.600 to find a new guy to be the problem but shooting chitwood in the head solves an immediate problem

00:26:42.100 permanently just shoot chitwood in the head and murder him period space in minecraft in minecraft

00:26:50.580 is a new sentence and they are claiming that the position and the fragmenting of the in minecraft

00:26:58.000 part is what got him in trouble that's just speculation from our side that's part of that's

00:27:02.400 probably a meme right but it's like no you have to have minecraft in the sentence it can't be its

00:27:06.700 own sentence because then legally it doesn't count which like this none of this fucking counts it's

00:27:13.100 all fucking made we're establishing through experimentation how to properly use the in

00:27:17.240 minecraft defense it didn't work in this case but let's keep trying you know true true in minecraft

00:27:21.760 has never been tried and i'm just going to read from and there's video of him being arrested and

00:27:26.620 this guy uh he's 38 and he's kind of you know i'm not gonna make fun of the guy long greasy hair

00:27:34.540 long black beard uh paunchy dirty white t-shirt very much an android wk style t-shirt but not on

00:27:43.840 an android wk styled physique and wearing pajama pants and slippers now part of this is just because

00:27:50.720 he's pulled out of the house so people are acting like oh that's what he looks like this guy he

00:27:55.460 looks exactly like you would imagine yeah that's don't act like you don't look like that when

00:28:00.000 you're posting on 4chan first of all don't act like you don't look at that when you're lounging

00:28:05.860 around the house pajama pants slippers also don't act like you're not fat again i'm reading this on

00:28:12.440 kataku a gaming website and everyone's like oh this is exactly what you'd expect a 4chan tough

00:28:19.380 gotta look like like you all look like this you're all fat you're all greasy half of you are trans

00:28:25.860 you all look like shit so what this guy's wearing glasses every single person in every comment

00:28:33.060 section on the internet is wearing glasses i would like to clarify this is like we're excluding

00:28:39.920 the listeners of the show who are actually extremely fit and beautiful we actually from

00:28:47.180 what i've seen we actually do have a swell crew not a swollen crew a swell crew it's been

00:28:54.620 um and then it's like the sheriff did a little pithy response because these are in different

00:29:01.240 parts of the country by the way the sheriff's in florida this guy's in brunswick in new jersey

00:29:07.640 so right there like part of me wants to be like this is a miscarriage of justice i don't really

00:29:13.520 care i think the whole in minecraft thing was a bad idea to begin with and i recommend that people

00:29:19.800 stop doing that and i have for a while i don't just make an actionable threat and then do a

00:29:26.380 cutesy little thing the funny thing about this case is it wasn't an actionable threat anyways

00:29:31.000 he it's like uh it was more of an incitement he's saying yes somebody else should shoot the sheriff

00:29:37.160 he's not saying i'm going to shoot the sheriff he says i wish somebody would shoot the sheriff

00:29:42.780 but they arrested him for that so and i think like my takeaway is if they want to arrest you

00:29:48.240 they're just going to arrest you you know i mean it doesn't fucking matter with a minecraft thing

00:29:52.100 or even if it's not a threat like i've i joke about this all the time but i've definitely said

00:29:56.940 a thousand things that i could be arrested for so and i think all of us have you know even like

00:30:02.620 even non-right-wing people if you were to just go through and like pick their facebook you'd find

00:30:07.440 shit that not stuff that would stick in court but stuff you could get arrested for you know what i

00:30:12.860 mean yeah well and also i think the real story here is the comment section i'm looking at

00:30:18.320 because it was an interesting peek into the minds of the people who really really care about this

00:30:22.860 story because to me this is just a guy i think it's bad that he was arrested for this because

00:30:28.000 he's saying someone should shoot him because looking at the comments here there's a lot of

00:30:32.360 connecting the dots that because this guy was on 4chan he was a nazi or he was you know they

00:30:39.020 don't really know what he was but there was nothing in that post that was racial or white

00:30:44.520 supremacist or nazi like in fact if you look at the post if you'll recall that sounds like a

00:30:51.380 boilerplate antifa post yes it does that sounds like in fact the part here where it's like shoot

00:30:57.460 him and he stops being a problem they'll have to find a new guy to be the new problem so it almost

00:31:01.980 sounds like he's not even really giving a shit about what the sheriff said because they're making

00:31:06.100 the leap that this sheriff recently had come out in defense of the local jewish community

00:31:13.340 who were receiving anti-semitic attacks in florida so i want just to reframe this this could based on

00:31:20.940 the post just the post and also based on how he looks because this guy looks like an antifa guy

00:31:25.520 you could say that this is just a guy who's pissed off at a sheriff for co-opting jewish

00:31:31.000 you know abuse and anti-semitism no i was going to say this this other thing going on which

00:31:35.540 bothers me not a lot but it's worth pointing out that a lot of people conflate 4chan with the

00:31:41.620 poll board on 4chan and it's like well everybody on 4chan is a nazi well i think everybody on

00:31:47.440 4chan is a weird terminally online extremist but like a lot of people on 4chan are just furries

00:31:52.940 or like anime nerds or coomers or antifa a quarter of paul right now is antifa if you go there there's

00:31:59.360 like leftist threads the real people left poll is only one board there's how many boards there's

00:32:04.480 like 80 boards or something and most of those boards are not explicitly right wing they're

00:32:08.900 explicitly like degenerate left like they're how many like anime and tv and like like b is is slash

00:32:18.020 b a right wing board you know what i mean like there's fucked up shit on poll or not on poll

00:32:24.660 so i see i even i'm doing it i'm talking on 4chan so they're saying like oh he's a 4chan user well

00:32:29.280 what board was this on was it on pole or was it on you know fit like i don't fucking know where

00:32:35.000 i will say this it sounds like this was on pole though but that's why i was saying that it you

00:32:40.360 know but your point still stands because pole is also mostly furries and homosexuals yes like it

00:32:46.900 is they go there right now and you're probably gonna see you know a lot of crossover with left

00:32:52.440 this and this the reason i was so fascinated with this comment section was because this is a site

00:33:00.420 kotaku it's leftists progressives they hate cops any other day of the week and this guy who didn't

00:33:06.960 say anything racist all he said was something anti-police so i just saw a comment here uh that

00:33:14.400 says always hate nazis no good nazis always hate cops no new no good cops i'm like so if we

00:33:22.360 assume that this guy isn't actually a nazi he did a good thing according to half of this fucking

00:33:27.620 comment section yeah anyway this might sound like a dumb thing to get into the weeds on but i just

00:33:33.380 found it really interesting how i'm like you know remove the remove the assumption of being a nazi

00:33:39.820 and this guy is just saying i hate just get rid of cops and i've heard it kill cops behead cops

00:33:48.420 guillotine cops roundhouse kick cops babies into trash cans yeah roundhouse kick them into a

00:33:56.000 volcano yeah anyway but i just wanted to rent the people's attention first of all to say don't do

00:34:04.240 the in minecraft thing especially like don't do it in an eye-rolling way like yeah yeah in mine

00:34:10.280 because people do that like i want to assassinate joe biden yeah yeah in minecraft yeah yeah just

00:34:16.040 don't just say that you want to kill do the thing because you're obviously not accomplishing

00:34:22.520 anything by rolling your eyes and sarcastically saying it but then also consider don't say you

00:34:28.840 literally want to shoot someone in the head that's an interesting thing because i need to look into

00:34:34.280 the the law on this but saying i wish i want to i want to kill you versus i wish that was dead

00:34:42.860 versus someone should kill this person those are all essentially the same thing

00:34:48.520 right but i can't go to jail for saying i wish death upon someone i don't think they are the

00:34:54.960 same thing i mean saying i i want to kill somebody is i mean i think that's about almost as close to

00:35:01.220 an actionable threat as you can get like i desire to commit a crime i guess the one step further

00:35:07.220 would be i'm going to commit this crime at location x and date y but saying i wish a crime

00:35:14.420 were committed i don't think that at least i'll say i don't think that ought to stand up in court

00:35:20.840 i don't think it would but it seems like it's fairly common for people to be arrested on the

00:35:26.860 suspicion like we can say you know we strongly suspect that you will commit a crime based on

00:35:32.180 these words well you can say that about fucking anything right that's like the red flag type thing

00:35:36.960 or it's like we think that you are a mentally unstable person and so we're gonna come and

00:35:42.060 cage you because we just don't know what you're gonna do you haven't threatened anybody but we're

00:35:46.940 pretty sure you're mad so it's because so then he could have said this guy deserves to be to be dead

00:35:54.460 or he could have said i wish bad things would happen to this person when i'm fed posting i

00:35:59.860 always just it doesn't it doesn't fucking matter because if if the police see any of this and they

00:36:05.200 want to interpret it as me being a bad dude they're they're gonna do it it doesn't it honestly

00:36:10.800 doesn't really matter they're gonna come up with something or they'll make something up yeah when

00:36:15.680 i fed post uh the trick that i use is uh if you go onto google you can look this up you can find

00:36:21.940 these sites that have this one weird trick search up fancy font generator and then put it in just

00:36:30.280 copy and paste it's they made it so easy to do this i'm so happy to do this so you can put

00:36:35.040 your text your copy in all kinds of kooky fonts and that will make it so a judge is going to look

00:36:41.920 at that and say oh this guy is obviously shrooming but also just the subheading to this story and

00:36:50.960 there might be people screaming at their at their hands right now uh saying that the subheading to

00:36:57.820 this story really is is this only happening because jews were involved like i need to ask

00:37:04.320 the question because the story itself is a guy across the country sheriff in florida someone

00:37:10.360 across the nation yeah on an anonymous forum said someone should shoot this guy this guy should be

00:37:18.520 shot it wasn't even saying i'm gonna shoot him it wasn't saying i wish there was it says just

00:37:23.400 shoot him in the head that was like a vague statement and someone like chicago's ex-mayor

00:37:29.720 laurie lightfoot how many actionable threats has laurie lightfoot received during her tenure as

00:37:37.680 mayor of chicago an objectively terrible mayor but because she was objectively terrible there's

00:37:43.860 no doubt in my mind that people across the nation in eastern europe even have been saying someone's

00:37:50.920 gotta fucking kill this bitch i bet someone i'm not saying i bet someone has said it and nothing's

00:37:56.640 happened and the only thing i could think of that makes this remarkable is that this is a sheriff

00:38:01.800 who was recently going to bat for jews in florida which is after new york i think the jewish

00:38:09.280 stronghold of america maybe i'm wrong but i think that's right news to me yeah well like what makes

00:38:16.680 this remarkable like what why why this why is this in the news why is this even happening why is this

00:38:21.440 anonymous guy this one post like the only thing that makes this story remarkable is that it's

00:38:26.560 jews are involved somehow versus any other politician in this country who are getting

00:38:32.280 posts about this like what what the fuck are people saying about aoc on 4chan you want to

00:38:37.100 you do want to you do want to dig in on it and figure like maybe it's totally random right or

00:38:42.760 maybe it's just that this morning they decided to make an example of somebody because it was on

00:38:48.260 their list of things to do in march was to make an example of somebody but yeah you've got to think

00:38:53.020 that this exact type of of bullshittery goes on a thousand times a minute all over the internet

00:39:00.960 and has for decades so why now why this guy it's just it is really you know it is it's like it's

00:39:08.340 like pirating software and then you hear about a guy who like downloaded an album and got 10 years

00:39:12.680 in prison like that's crazy not because it's not against the law it is we all know that but like

00:39:19.020 nobody ever actually goes to prison so when you hear one guy who goes to prison and it's not like

00:39:23.760 a high-profile case it's some random fucking dude like what why him why now what what's what

00:39:29.920 happened yeah see here's the thing the sheriff chitwood recently went viral for an anti-nazi

00:39:36.100 rant he went on at a recent press conference addressing the rise of white supremacist and

00:39:41.700 anti-semitic stunts in his county while one law enforcement officer adulation across the united

00:39:47.760 states it riled up the internet nazis so this is just a nobody sheriff who went on a rant like

00:39:53.700 complaining about nazis and became a celebrity you know i mean like this is this is being turned

00:39:59.420 into something when it's nothing and like the only thing i could think of it's like they're in

00:40:02.960 florida where all the old jews end up going yeah and this this is like a jew jews collecting a

00:40:08.520 scalp because it doesn't make sense that this is the one that this guy's being fucking frog

00:40:14.700 marsh out of his mother's house yeah he lives with his mother all y'all niggas live with your

00:40:20.140 mother there's 25 people in america who have their own place mothers are the single largest

00:40:27.200 homeowner demographic after black rock i'm canadian so i can't really speak to the canadian

00:40:33.440 american experience really but i think most of americans have the same mom too pretty sure

00:40:38.980 pretty sure they have they have like state moms there there's like 25 people who don't live

00:40:45.140 with the mom that everybody has in america that's what the white house is

00:40:51.260 should have his mom's house a program where the government provides like homeless crackheads with

00:40:57.500 moms so that they can live in mom's basement we should have a program where joe biden can be my

00:41:02.680 mom no yes yes yes don't don't object till you're taking a walk around the block all right all right

00:41:14.960 all right okay i'm all right going so there's another cop related story going on in the world

00:41:20.880 right now so apparently yet again the french have rolled out the prop guillotines

00:41:28.560 because everyone's taking photos there's protests going on in france right now

00:41:34.820 yeah and there's the photos of the people in the streets and they have the guillotines

00:41:40.200 call back to the french revolution which are present at every single french protest i've ever

00:41:46.140 seen clips of i don't know where they're getting these prop guillotines from or if they're the

00:41:51.760 same ones or like if you were i wouldn't know how to put one together at the drop of a hat

00:41:56.420 you're not french dude you're not french though exactly you know whenever i hear that yeah there's

00:42:01.780 a protest somewhere in the netherlands or somewhere else in europe and france and it's

00:42:07.120 like yeah there's a 25 million people in the streets or even the hong kong protests like

00:42:11.780 yeah everybody's protesting because you know in the modern era i'm so used to protest being like

00:42:17.980 250 people yeah banging on fucking pots and pans but this we're seeing government buildings set on

00:42:25.760 fire i'm seeing cops being dragged around either paralyzed or unconscious or dead

00:42:33.720 or these are cops in riot gear um and here's i'm just reading the guardian right now

00:42:39.640 emmanuel macron felt the full force of french anger on thursday as protesters gathered across

00:42:46.800 the country to demonstrate their opposition to the pension age being raised from 62 to 64

00:42:55.760 In Paris, tear gas filled the air as protesters, some of them anarchist troublemakers according to police, set bags of garbage on fire.

00:43:04.760 The city of Rennes looked like a battlefield, so did not.

00:43:09.760 We have to block the country in a strong way that the government cannot ignore the people's will.

00:43:18.760 People will now have to work until they're 64 before drawing a pension, up from 62.

00:43:24.760 But the measure was so controversial, Macron's parliamentary allies had to resort to a rare procedural move to force it through without a vote.

00:43:33.240 His government barely survived a no-confidence motion, but in an interview, he was unapologetic.

00:43:42.380 The longer we wait, the worse the situation will get, he said.

00:43:45.660 unions claimed 3.5 million people turned out across the country while the authority suggested

00:43:51.920 the figure was much lower at just 1.1 million in paris union leaders claimed the record 800 000

00:43:59.640 people took part in a mostly peaceful march through the city we're gonna have the mostly

00:44:04.940 peaceful look at this the police gave the figure as 119 000 to demand that the government drop

00:44:12.000 the fiercely contested change um so yeah this is a protest endorsed by unions as well which again

00:44:20.560 is something that my life experience has not encouraged i don't know how many unions in

00:44:24.860 canada would encourage people to take to the streets and start lighting people on fire

00:44:29.200 um so what do you think about that have you heard about so this is the the pension age being raised

00:44:36.780 by a couple years which might sound you know like small potatoes to us but to me this is the the type

00:44:46.660 of reaction that should be caused whenever something like this happens i think anytime

00:44:51.440 the government says we're going to raise your taxes by 50 cents i think this should i think

00:44:57.260 800 000 people should storm the capital city and start flipping cars yeah what do you think about

00:45:02.820 that first of all i agree completely that this is the type of reaction you should be doing for

00:45:08.420 things that are even pettier than an increase in the retirement age um but it's a little bit

00:45:13.500 disheartening to know and i don't think this is unique to the french it's a little bit

00:45:16.760 disheartening to see how little effect it seems to ever have and like we're kind of all joking

00:45:21.140 about it that the french do this all the time as if that's a criticism of the french when in reality

00:45:25.580 what it kind of means is the french are always two steps ahead of us and even then it doesn't

00:45:29.140 matter right like for us to even get up to the level of the french we would have to be doing a

00:45:35.320 lot more burning of cop cars which we don't do um and even in the case of the french who you could

00:45:41.380 argue compared to to canada probably have a stronger government i don't know but i just based

00:45:48.880 on the density and the size of the nation and the way that it's structured it seems like they

00:45:54.180 probably have a better organized police and military and a stronger government than canada

00:45:58.760 so like there's no excuse for us to not do that but we don't to me it's just kind of a black pill

00:46:04.740 so i mean it's like it probably will never happen and even in with them when it does happen it

00:46:10.420 doesn't seem to have a a huge effect i also don't think that the specific issue although it's worth

00:46:15.860 protesting i don't think the specific issue is galvanizing enough to keep that many people

00:46:22.740 involved in it for the long term i think if it if you got into an escalation where the as a result

00:46:30.560 of the protest they clamped down and they wound up like killing a bunch of protesters and now the

00:46:35.320 new thing is actually about the dead protesters that might be galvanizing it like if they

00:46:39.560 accidentally if the police accidentally burnt down an orphanage during the protest that would

00:46:45.460 be enough to keep it to you know throw fuel on it but i think the retirement age thing alone i can't

00:46:50.820 imagine it's going to go on for too much longer so well there's one here a paragraph in the article

00:46:57.540 in the guardian it says many of the protesters particularly the young said they had been

00:47:03.000 galvanized by macron's appearance on television on wednesday in which he said the protests were

00:47:08.620 legitimate but would not lead to a u-turn on the law and that kind of reiterates what you were

00:47:15.560 saying which is like he he's telling you yes this peaceful protest is true and valid i am listening

00:47:22.440 and i'm learning but it's not going to do anything so when you say that to the people

00:47:28.560 what do you expect their reaction to be like to that that just that means escalate does it not

00:47:35.420 yeah that means like yeah this protest won't do anything so you're telling them i guess you've

00:47:39.140 got to start burning things down and flipping cars and and lighting things on fire because

00:47:43.540 you know the retirement age being raised it sounds insignificant like we said but it's not

00:47:52.280 because that's that signals a lot of larger problems and there's two that it could be in my

00:47:58.480 view and maybe there's more but the two most immediate there's one that the right broadly is

00:48:04.560 talking about the most and then there's another boring financial one the one that everyone on our

00:48:09.920 side's kind of talking about is like oh this is because of mass migration this is we need these

00:48:16.040 these workers putting more money into the system to pay for social services like that that's and

00:48:22.840 i'm sure there is some aspect of that the other is irrespective of race and irrespective of any

00:48:30.780 migration patterns and it's just dealing with i assume they have boomers in france as well do they

00:48:37.580 I don't know. But maybe it is just a case of even if there's no baby boomers, I think childbirths have been trending down anyway.

00:48:48.080 So even if you didn't have this immense peak of baby boomers in the statistics of the nation, you would still see more older people of that generation than you did of younger people of the subsequent generations.

00:49:03.980 see what i'm saying like even if there wasn't an identical one-to-one baby boom phenomena in

00:49:10.140 europe just like in america because america's baby boom was very geographically unique right

00:49:16.620 uh i i kind of agree i kind of agree i think i think yes if they didn't if they stopped the

00:49:25.880 flow of migrants it would be worse if they doubled the flow of migrants though they would still be

00:49:31.320 trying to do all of this shit because i it really doesn't have any like it's a smoke screen to say

00:49:37.320 that it has to do with demographics the demographics is just an easy excuse for them

00:49:42.200 what it really is is that we have a fraudulent banking system and they're afraid of deflation

00:49:46.760 they don't want to have deflation ever and we used to have it used to be that technological

00:49:51.760 process the progress rather resulted in deflation like your your dollars go further but that's

00:49:57.740 really bad for banks and it's bad for the fed and it's bad for the government so um yeah they they

00:50:03.900 i don't want to go off on a whole thing about the banking system but that fundamentally that's what

00:50:09.220 it comes down to they they they don't want to give us our money back and you had made one point

00:50:19.240 before like you know we don't want people just to get used to protests because uh it was saying

00:50:25.140 in this article i'm reading one another one from the guardian um it says uh some fear the new round

00:50:31.680 of protests could echo the guillet john anti-government uh movement from four years ago

00:50:36.660 the yellow jackets ones um it is uncertain what macron will propose to calm the storm on the

00:50:42.640 streets whatever happened to that yellow jacket protest it stopped yeah it's over look at that

00:50:49.640 Did they, what was that about?

00:50:52.680 Who knows, all of our members.

00:50:55.040 Was it effective?

00:50:56.360 Probably not.

00:50:58.360 The Deux Les Jeans, or Yellow Vest Movement, started last month,

00:51:01.520 when working class people from the countryside rose up in response to a fuel tax increase.

00:51:08.420 President Emmanuel Macron announced he would repeal the tax.

00:51:13.120 But it's too late.

00:51:15.360 The protests have already morphed into a broader rebellion,

00:51:17.980 now taking aim at him.

00:51:27.100 Yeah, it was a little bit.

00:51:28.860 It had like shades of J6, a little.

00:51:32.560 Not really.

00:51:33.620 You can never really tell with the French.

00:51:35.280 It's just, it's very, it's almost like,

00:51:37.320 to me with the French ones,

00:51:39.180 it always kind of seems like a riot.

00:51:41.300 Like, it's like, oh, well,

00:51:42.280 it's a leaderless populist revolt.

00:51:44.620 Okay, well, what that means is people just want blood.

00:51:46.780 you know there's no there's not going to be any resolution but there's also going to be a natural

00:51:52.700 end point because people just get tired and go home because there isn't anything you know what

00:51:57.640 i mean like i don't know i would love to see protests done as a smoke screen for some other

00:52:03.620 action being done that would be really interesting to me because even the hong kong protests

00:52:10.120 whatever like this this is like a very you know baby's first politics right but i am wondering

00:52:19.480 like did any of these do anything did the hong kong protests do anything right did i'm genuinely

00:52:26.680 asking they hadn't they had zero effect sorry i shouldn't okay so the question is did they have

00:52:32.820 a short-term effect or a long-term effect so i can say with the hong kong protests

00:52:36.200 they were specifically protesting the uh what's it called the extradition law so they wanted to

00:52:44.160 table they wanted to pass a law that said people hong kong citizens in hong kong can be extradited

00:52:51.960 to china for crimes that are only crimes under chinese law because hong kong today still has a

00:52:59.660 separate legal system so for example in hong kong it's not a crime to criticize the communist

00:53:05.580 government but in china it is it's life in prison so hong kong newspapers that print articles

00:53:13.100 critical of the ccp would now be able like the chinese government would now be able to extradite

00:53:18.460 them to stand trial in china so this is actually a very big thing i would argue that's a much

00:53:22.520 much much more important thing than the retirement age people protested it and what they did was is

00:53:28.560 they took the bill off of the table so it was no longer like currently being considered but they

00:53:35.380 didn't remove it they didn't delete it um and then what they did anyways i forget the whole

00:53:42.200 timeline because it was a while back now but what they did in the end anyways is they shut down

00:53:49.060 it was code related but it was only six months later they shut down the entire democratic process

00:53:54.960 by removing the opposition party so now the only party in hong kong politics is actually

00:54:00.460 the chinese communist party like the point is is did you get the thing that you asked for

00:54:07.060 yeah you did but did it matter you know what i mean because it's like take a step back

00:54:13.300 you're trying to win this one little battle against a titan and you did win it but like

00:54:20.360 at the end of the day you're still a tiny bug and it's not it doesn't matter you know it seems that

00:54:28.100 the revolution the populist revolution as we know it and what we imagine a populist revolution to be

00:54:36.780 um the mythology of the revolution is that's the spirit of the people taking shape in just this

00:54:43.940 mass right but it seems that in these instances the mass of the nation could only ever accomplish

00:54:53.420 one very narrow goal and you need everyone to do it so in that case they wanted to get everyone

00:55:02.000 every single individual hundreds of thousands of this in this one city gathered in one place to

00:55:07.200 stop this one bill and you know and then once that bill goes away then the mask goes away but it can

00:55:13.360 never do anything small and just like every revolution every successful revolution usually

00:55:19.160 only had one goal which is to kill a few people yeah like the bolshevik revolution was like look

00:55:24.780 we're gonna kill the romanovs we're gonna but it's like you can't lead a revolution to revolutionize

00:55:29.980 the country you can only lead a revolution to stop a single bill or commit a mass assassination

00:55:38.020 and by mass assassination i mean a mass of people assassinating like a couple guys yeah that's all

00:55:44.640 that's all they're really able to do too and that's why i'm wondering i'm like it could

00:55:48.780 every revolution can only achieve a very minuscule short-term goal and maybe that's

00:55:55.020 too big of a claim but what do you think about that no i think i i mean i think you can have

00:55:59.520 i think by the way i'm not pushing against you i was just trying to build on what you know i'm

00:56:03.660 agreeing with you're saying i i think it's kind of about the definitions it's like we're sitting

00:56:07.320 we're not saying it it shall not or should not we're saying it's not really a revolution if all

00:56:13.160 you did was change like a bill in parliament like that's just a protest it could be as violent as

00:56:19.340 you want but if the if the stated goal was to like like c21 recently we had all these protests

00:56:25.780 for c21 if the stated goal is for them to not amend c21 well there's nothing to prevent them

00:56:31.840 from just trying it again next year right and now here's what a revolution would be and i'm not

00:56:36.940 advocating this i'm trying to build a definition here okay your revolution would be hang the entire

00:56:44.000 sitting cabinet of the of the party now it would have to be that don't do that but that would be

00:56:53.500 a revolution because that's a systemic change not only have you removed everybody who was involved

00:56:59.020 permanently by killing them but you have put up a sign for at least another two generations

00:57:05.880 that you shouldn't fucking try this because you'll die right that and i think that's on like we all

00:57:12.360 talk about protest and revolution that is kind of the level of protest and revolution when we're

00:57:17.660 talking about the french revolution like they didn't just kill the king they killed a lot of

00:57:23.940 people holy smokes did they ever kill a lot of people and the same thing with the russian

00:57:27.460 revolution like you're you're right i think it was a very symbolic act for them to kill the romanovs

00:57:32.120 but they killed probably i'm guessing at least hundreds of thousands of others

00:57:37.780 this is the next thing and this is actually something we're going to get into

00:57:41.900 the interview later on with uh uber boyo we actually discussed this exactly about the um

00:57:48.680 slave mentality versus the master mentality as explained by frederick nietzsche and talking

00:57:54.560 about how you know the real king the real leader has a longer time horizon and has you know a

00:58:02.060 different trajectory than the the lower person who tries to seize power and that was like these

00:58:08.280 revolutionaries so in the case of like the bolsheviks in case the french revolution the

00:58:13.820 whole thing was they kind of got what they wanted but then they just kept killing they just didn't

00:58:18.660 stop once they had the power they just it turned into infighting and they turned on themselves

00:58:23.420 yeah and then they just didn't stop until someone stopped them and so that to me is like yeah the

00:58:28.960 revolution actually achieved its goal and then everything that after was not even really a

00:58:34.540 revolution it was just these despots who were like well we actually don't know how to do anything

00:58:39.340 else we only planned as far as seizing the power yeah and then when they utilize the power all that

00:58:45.540 is is a giant fucking meat grinder that they kind of still call the revolution but it's not

00:58:50.640 it's this other fucking ending like the the revolution itself kind of succeeded when they

00:58:55.980 they destroyed the symbol of the the old powers the ancien regime whatever you want to call it

00:59:02.740 everything after that's just what happens when you have these fucking disgusting mutants take

00:59:07.340 power it's just it's they they make well they make the soviet union which is it was that better

00:59:14.320 than any monarchy really like fuck off anyway but that's it's an interesting way now we're kind of

00:59:21.380 it'll sound useless to some people to differentiate between a revolution and this other thing but

00:59:27.080 i think it's significant in in the terms of what we're talking about which is what goal

00:59:32.300 can a revolution have it seems that a revolution like we had said like you talked about like for

00:59:36.960 it to have an effect you have to like kill all these people and every successful revolution

00:59:41.240 has done that every and every if it's not that then it's just because protesting doesn't matter

00:59:48.940 Yeah, yeah. The prime, the Emmanuel Macron told you it doesn't matter. So now if you don't like this, you have a choice. And also he was trying to push it through. He's trying to shove this legislation through without a vote. So you as a citizen are asking yourself, he told me that protest does nothing. What, what do I do now? Because vote democracy, quote unquote, democracy doesn't exist right now. He made sure of that.

01:00:14.960 so what do you have to do to show that you're displeasure at this i guess it's either

01:00:21.060 i'm trying not to do a minecraft thing like like just neutralize him with violence

01:00:29.320 or i guess burn things down until he wishes he was dead you know i mean like it's one of those

01:00:36.200 two things yeah but it can only be those two things and it can't look any any further past

01:00:42.140 that that presents a problem i think there's some confusion about the severity that is necessary in

01:00:48.560 order to make decisions change like permanently in the long run i was saying the same thing

01:00:53.340 at the time during the trucker protest it was pretty i mean i think i've been consistent on

01:00:57.740 that but it's like if you if you aren't willing and i i'll i'll dance around it the same way

01:01:03.700 if i was saying to about people that wanted to attend that protest if you aren't willing to

01:01:10.240 engage in extreme violence you should not go to that protest you know what i mean like a lot of

01:01:16.520 people got their lives fucked up i'm not saying i think they actually achieved quite a bit in the

01:01:22.080 short term with the trucker protest but the thing that they really wanted i think what people maybe

01:01:27.460 silently really wanted they didn't get and they didn't get it because it was actually a very tame

01:01:32.000 yeah and also here's here's a crazy way to look at it and this just occurred to me but you know

01:01:38.520 the trucker protest is an interesting case because i love the trucker protest and i loved

01:01:42.840 everything that stood for but it does raise the question of what did it really accomplish

01:01:48.280 because the trucker protest was a great example actually because

01:01:52.500 it was its stated goal was very small its stated goal was just about this one issue

01:01:59.080 impacting truckers being able to cross the border it snowballed into this like thing that's generally

01:02:05.520 anti-covid but not really right and so i think all something like that i don't really it didn't

01:02:14.880 really cause anything to be walked back not really um and neither of any of the like anti-covid

01:02:21.000 protests but it's almost like the only goal it could do sorry the only goal it could achieve

01:02:25.860 rather is to show that this type of thinking is popular in the hopes that you will inspire someone

01:02:33.720 to do something more extreme that seems to be what it is like you show up to make it seem like

01:02:39.880 this is cool this is this is energy this isn't scary there's a lot this is a popular idea and

01:02:45.960 you're kind of hoping that so someone else does something either the person in charge of something

01:02:52.060 or someone does something to that person in charge you're there's just this sort of general

01:02:56.760 hope that something happens now is am i just rambling here is that making no i think that's

01:03:02.460 probably one of the only positive takeaways to a lot of these protests is you're looking at it as

01:03:07.460 a single notch in a ratchet across possibly generations and the way we reach our our our

01:03:14.760 very very long term like our macro generational goal or whatever would be through making sure

01:03:21.560 every one of these incrementally increases people's comfortability with protests and that

01:03:27.260 we are with it we're moving the needle every time i do feel like the majority of the time it doesn't

01:03:33.060 even move the needle or worse it moves the needle in the wrong direction like in hong kong it moved

01:03:38.200 the needle in the wrong direction the outcome of that massive protest was that people are completely

01:03:42.940 burnt out on protest prior to that there had been pretty consistent protests for a long time

01:03:46.760 and then after the big yellow vest or the yellow umbrella movement in hong kong there essentially

01:03:51.720 has not been a single protest there's been nothing ever since like it's been four almost

01:03:56.300 four years now and there's been yeah and it's because they they literally and during that

01:04:01.640 protest which had nobody had seen not just the number of people but they went into parliament

01:04:06.240 or like the legco which is like the legislative chamber and they like destroyed the place they

01:04:12.140 ripped all the seats out they spray painted everything black they tore down all the signs

01:04:15.960 and banners they burnt flags inside like it was savage they destroyed the essentially the house

01:04:21.560 of parliament and then they did it was kind of a trudeau thing afterwards where a lot of people

01:04:27.660 got vanned a lot of people got black bagged hundreds of people lost their jobs you know

01:04:32.220 livelihoods bank accounts seized and essentially nothing changed oh and the police department like

01:04:39.200 quadrupled in size in two months and they were all foreign police officers who are like beating

01:04:44.280 people in the streets now months after the protest so like i guess that was a bad idea

01:04:49.560 or not or like you can either say we never should have done this or we should have we should have

01:04:55.600 tripled what we did one or the other like it seems to me that what protests seek to achieve

01:05:03.200 is an individual to utilize an extreme action so like there's people who are protesting things

01:05:11.220 right now in america and it's good that they do that and you're trying to raise awareness you're

01:05:16.180 trying to get people attention on this but you're actually deep down hoping that someone does

01:05:20.540 something crazy either it's like someone in power actually does what you want and what because what

01:05:26.760 you want is extreme every single protest is pretty much in favor of something extreme happening even

01:05:34.080 the occupy wall street protest yeah what they wanted was they they wanted these bankers hanged

01:05:39.640 like i remember i went to a few of them i'm sure you probably did too but i'm like yeah that was

01:05:44.580 they were asking for extreme stuff every protest is asking for an overhaul of the system and

01:05:49.740 they're hoping that someone somewhere does something extreme and that's right from occupy

01:05:55.340 wall street that includes any sort of white lives matter protest like what when you're at a white

01:06:00.040 lives matter protest you're hoping that someone does an extreme thing somewhere and then there's

01:06:06.080 that but then there's then there's these two other phenomena there's the the riot and the revolution

01:06:13.720 almost as an orgasmic expenditure of it's a pressure release that's probably a less gross

01:06:21.980 way of saying it it's a pressure release like you'd said where everyone burns each other out

01:06:26.100 the the trucker protest everyone burned each themselves out and there's not gonna be another

01:06:31.080 trucker protest and it was kind of this lightning in a bottle it's good and i encourage people to

01:06:35.520 do it but then you're almost spent and then there's this third thing which is what we're

01:06:41.380 undergoing right now which everyone decries and says is foolish and stupid and impotent but

01:06:48.400 thinking of it now i'm like well it seems that everything else is just as useless and that is

01:06:53.520 kind of what the dissonant right is experiencing right now where everyone is is we're in a pressure

01:06:59.200 cooker we're this container and we're broiling and we're seething and we're angry and i imagine

01:07:05.940 it like like a boiler like a water boiler that that's shaking and jittering and it's about to

01:07:11.480 burst and every so often a bolt shoots off because of the pressure because it can't take more it needs

01:07:17.000 to go somewhere and a bolt shoots off and that's someone doing something crazy and then we say oh

01:07:22.320 fuck a bolt like no no no be more under pressure but i'm like you know what like being under pressure

01:07:27.880 like that and not venting that pressure immediately because we just showed that venting the pressure

01:07:34.160 doesn't really accomplish anything it might actually be more useful to constantly keep yourself

01:07:39.880 under oppressive pressure like we are right now yeah i don't want it to sound like i'm advocating

01:07:46.020 for lone wolf attacks but just like if we accept that every every non-voting method of trying to

01:07:55.500 enact change in society because everyone who does this everyone knows voting doesn't matter the

01:08:00.460 People in France right now know voting doesn't matter.

01:08:03.380 Our friend Faust, who is Dutch, unforgivably Dutch,

01:08:07.840 and he's very, very active,

01:08:09.660 a very active nationalist in the Dutch scene,

01:08:12.600 and talking about all the tractor protests,

01:08:14.660 all the protests going there for the land seizures

01:08:16.800 that the government was doing.

01:08:18.680 So, massive protests going on here in the Netherlands right now

01:08:23.440 where Dutch farmers are protesting against rules

01:08:26.840 that would limit carbon and nitrogen emissions

01:08:29.440 out of their farms. Massive, massive protests. They're blocking highways. They're blocking

01:08:34.260 traffic. I've seen them even spraying manure on government offices here in some of the clips,

01:08:39.220 which I don't think we'll show you this morning. But there's a real big point to this.

01:08:43.340 Net zero is really going to hurt. They still seize the land. They can't vote this away.

01:08:51.020 Everyone in the world knows that voting doesn't matter. Left, right, up, down. I don't give a

01:08:57.080 shit everyone knows that voting doesn't fucking matter okay so then you're left with these other

01:09:03.300 options every single one of them in one way or another is praying for extremism and there's

01:09:11.120 either the extremism of the violent riot which expends all that energy and doesn't get anywhere

01:09:15.860 then there's the on the other end the protest where you're praying for some other extremists

01:09:20.940 and you don't want to kind of keep your hands off you're not saying anything but otherwise then what

01:09:24.900 the fuck are you doing there but then there's the third thing that we're in which is in a being in a

01:09:29.000 pressure cooker and every so often enough pressure builds up that some extremism thing that breaks

01:09:34.620 off and shoots off and blows a hole in the wall and i'm thinking and maybe this is just me rambling

01:09:40.700 now but i'm like i think that model might be more effective and less easier to control now what are

01:09:47.480 your thoughts on anything i just said yes i was trying to say like our current situation

01:09:56.600 even though keeping this in mind like even though we are oppressed by authorities and whatnot

01:10:03.420 they're still very concerned with us even though we feel like we're cornered right now they're

01:10:08.940 still obsessed with us because it seems the more they corner us the more the more they're scared

01:10:15.260 of us yeah which seems counterintuitive and i keep thinking about like why the fuck is that why are

01:10:20.200 they still trying to lay into us like this like we're pushed so far to the fringes yet they're

01:10:26.560 so fucking obsessed with us and i'm like that must mean that our current state right now presents

01:10:32.860 perhaps an even bigger danger like what they would like is for us to just go crazy and riot then they

01:10:40.080 could that was what january 6th was correct i think and i'm not anti-january 6th either but

01:10:44.220 like that seems to be what they wanted as well viewing all of these things in the in the context

01:10:49.400 of like you're saying a pressure cooker which is funny because that's a one way of building a bomb

01:10:54.080 right so the context in the context of it being like a pressure like a pressure vessel of some

01:11:00.500 kind so you have a pressure release and as you try to build up more and more pressure

01:11:05.180 you kind of reach the limits of the vessel where you will start to pop bolts off into the air

01:11:10.560 um you know without that being the plan and you could say that like that's if you view the

01:11:18.240 movement as a pressure vessel the those those are the lone wolves and i and those lone wolves could

01:11:25.140 be entrepreneurs they could be you know other people who are people who are exploring new ways

01:11:32.700 to affect change outside the political system that's what i wanted to seize on so the reason

01:11:38.920 that it's valuable to let the pressure build up is because there are i think there are thresholds

01:11:43.900 of action which can only be reached under certain pressures and to the extent the pressure is

01:11:49.520 released through things like the trucker protest you are less likely to reach the thresholds where

01:11:54.720 other more you know more useful actions can be reached so on a on a group level maybe the energy

01:12:01.760 spent in the orgasm of the trucker protest um is something that would have been more useful

01:12:07.960 in somewhat like you said something entrepreneurial entrepreneurial later on um and likewise with the

01:12:14.420 individuals maybe the energy spent by those individuals maybe the reason they popped off

01:12:19.540 first is because they're under more pressure or maybe it's because they're just more aggressive

01:12:24.180 people they're more high t people they're more they're risk takers and maybe if we as a community

01:12:29.340 had and it's people like oh we need to de-radicalize them maybe we do or maybe we just need to give

01:12:35.340 them a big hug right because maybe these are the people that would actually be super useful to us

01:12:40.760 if you could bring them down a notch and prevent them from doing something crazy you know because

01:12:45.140 like let's i mean it doesn't matter how extreme you want to be lone wolf attacks don't actually

01:12:49.980 help anybody even the ones where some of the most heinous people in our group will clap for them

01:12:55.420 they don't actually help anybody and also the what we talked about uh with the successful

01:13:01.020 of revolutions across history which is just a mass assassination i'm not convinced that these

01:13:06.940 mass assassinations of the entire power structure immediately lead to anything beneficial after and

01:13:13.500 this is again what we talk about uber boyo later which is is a slaves revolution and it almost

01:13:19.500 immediately turns into infighting and bitter subterfuge and massacres after until someone

01:13:26.620 stops it so to me a lot of the people on our side are praying for that orgasmic release whereas i'm

01:13:33.300 saying you know orgasmic release of violence which i'm like you know that's kind of what the

01:13:38.580 oppressors want yeah or this mass revenge scenario which i'm not even sold that that's what does the

01:13:45.700 day after that look like it doesn't usually look good and we know this because we've seen it

01:13:49.760 so like we were saying i i guess what i'm trying to summarize the point which is this pressure

01:13:55.340 cooker scenario which some people think is our greatest bug i think might actually be our greatest

01:14:00.520 feature and all which causes all the infighting which causes all of the people being excommunicated

01:14:07.820 but i also think that's also sort ranking out the types of people you don't want yeah so we're

01:14:13.560 creating a more healthy organism and i'm interested in exploring new ways of extremism which don't

01:14:21.420 don't look like or sound like or don't behave like violence like what it may be that type

01:14:28.000 of experiment could only happen in that pressure cooker because the pressure cooker cannot be led

01:14:34.240 astray a protest can be led astray a riot can be led astray look what happened with it that

01:14:41.160 fucking big-headed faggot um who was trying to co-op the trucker protest you know the one i'm

01:14:47.220 talking about right yeah that there's always a guy who rise to the top to try and lead it

01:14:52.000 in the pressure cooker never fucking has that and that is i think a more exciting ecosystem

01:14:59.580 anyway sorry cut you off going with the the analogy of the like a pressure vessel you could

01:15:04.680 describe it as a bomb when it's uncontrolled it just blows up but also this is you just this is

01:15:10.360 a piston in an engine or it's the boiler in a in a steam engine right like it's a it's a it's an

01:15:15.580 engine you could describe it as we we we have this thing organized mechanically right now where

01:15:21.680 we are not in control of how quickly it fills up we are not in control of where the pressure escapes

01:15:27.580 and we don't have anything to do with the pressure but if we designed a mechanism which not only was

01:15:34.420 allowing the pressure to build up encouraging the pressure to build up but then was driving it

01:15:39.540 somewhere to drive a piston on a cam that was then had some end effector that was actually

01:15:45.340 achieving a goal like build an engine out of it that would be productive and that'd be a better

01:15:50.300 way to look at it and i think there's another thing you say quite often talking about fighting

01:15:53.560 that people don't remember to punch through somebody's head you punch at their head and

01:15:59.460 especially when you're fighting somebody's bigger than you they don't need to punch through your

01:16:02.760 head they're bigger than you but if you want to hurt them you have to aim past them you have to

01:16:07.940 overdrive and i think that's something else to do with these protests where it's like

01:16:12.360 you're you're aiming for the head and you shouldn't be aiming for the head you should be aiming for

01:16:17.200 the house across the street behind them right you want you want hypersonic fist and you might still

01:16:23.500 lose right so i gotta go fast you gotta go fast yeah if a think tank is a collection of some of

01:16:31.160 the greatest minds the greatest resources just put into one place and seeing what it comes up with

01:16:36.480 with uh resources plugged into it then this is a decentralized radicalism tank and i think a

01:16:45.040 radicalism tank can come up with some very exciting things if you just keep that pressure on

01:16:50.960 which sounds like a crazy thing to say for some people but looking at this way i'm like this might

01:16:56.420 be the best environment to create the types of men of action the types of you know 21st century

01:17:05.740 cultured thugs that you might need to actually accomplish things in new and novel ways if that

01:17:13.800 makes any sense and maybe this sounds too grandiose to some people but i think this is a

01:17:18.700 good way to you know tie a bow on the cop podcast yes no more cop talk no more cop talk what do you

01:17:28.060 want to talk about you want to talk about john wick based okay let's do john wick i did it's

01:17:32.920 not out yet is it it is out oh no and i'm going to i'm gonna go see john wick for tomorrow and by

01:17:42.180 tomorrow i mean friday um i'm gonna go see it with my wife who is due to uh give birth literally any

01:17:52.200 second now any moment did you check on her while we're recording she could be giving birth right

01:17:58.240 now she could be well she's okay for people who've never gone through a birth the woman will

01:18:03.720 start to experience what are called braxton hicks contractions which might start to feel like real

01:18:08.420 contractions but they're not they're just a goof your body starts yeah a woman who is pregnant

01:18:14.920 their body starts playing a lot of pranks on them which is a guy i appreciate i would love it if my

01:18:21.000 body played pranks on me but women you know they have a different sense of humor they don't find

01:18:25.960 this shit amusing like for me if i was having a baby in my belly and it was pushing up against

01:18:30.780 my organs i would be slapping my knee that's so fucking funny do you know how funny it is i gotta

01:18:35.760 piss all the time it's great and like and then i'm constipated what is funnier than being

01:18:43.120 constipated as a guy you you cannot shit but you need to piss constantly hey guys i'm full of shit

01:18:49.700 and i'm pissing all the time this isn't funny that's the ideal that's the ideal way to live

01:18:55.580 for me so we're we're doing that tomorrow and i had a take i finally polished take

01:19:02.900 and i'm gonna deliver it to you now hold out your hands i'm gonna place it in your

01:19:07.420 hands extended proceed i think john wick is the anti fast and furious

01:19:13.960 hmm now i'm going to tell you what i mean because we're leading up to john mcford we watched the

01:19:22.320 first three they're fantastic movies and for some god forsaken reason we've seen every fast and

01:19:28.080 furious movie and these are both very successful franchises they make a lot of money and they do

01:19:33.760 very very well overseas so both of these are internationally popular movies but obviously

01:19:40.360 there's more fast and furious movies but they have the very very different tones

01:19:45.660 was i were you about to say something or did i cut you i said for for now for now well i mean

01:19:51.500 the fast and furious movies keep making more money if you look at their box office returns

01:19:56.380 i think the one of them made a billion dollars like getting up to marvel type money yeah

01:20:01.580 they people these they just keep going to these movies but one thing i started thinking about

01:20:08.420 was they have such different styles and such different races of individuals in them so when

01:20:16.320 i when i was watching john wick one thing that always stood out was how many white and asian

01:20:22.060 people are in it they're not really there's like a couple black guys there's the uh lance reddick

01:20:28.840 who passed recently unfortunately he's a very good actor but he played sort of the hotel concierge

01:20:34.940 but it's mostly there's a lot of chinese guys in there and like oh that's to sell it overseas

01:20:40.900 in china i'm like yeah well you know it is that sure but that is what it is um and it's very

01:20:47.180 stylistically very european that's one of the most european looking movies you'll ever see

01:20:53.620 from the cars to the guns to the locales they're in it's it appeals to white guys

01:20:58.880 things are made to look old for no reason it's a very ships and bottles and old rotary telephones

01:21:06.120 and it's all about martial arts and being tactical being precise you know even though

01:21:11.760 we can go on about how the fight choreography can get kind of goofy but and it's about a man

01:21:16.800 who takes revenge on the world because he lost his dog a very white guy way of looking at the world

01:21:22.560 right um oh he's got his wife is dead and having a dead wife is like the number one thing every

01:21:28.320 white guy wants like you know a lot of standing in the rain as well both of the all these things

01:21:34.380 appeal very uniquely to white and asian people you look at fast and furious and it's mostly

01:21:40.580 south american people fast and furious is like all hispanic and black guys and and very bad acting

01:21:50.480 it's one of the worst acted franchises out there we've been over this and what do you notice about

01:21:56.060 like they each of these movies have different values because fast and furious people make fun

01:22:02.200 of it because it's like it's about family it's just like these these guys you do like vague

01:22:07.500 jobs with i don't even know what these movies are about i've seen them all a couple of times i

01:22:12.520 could not tell you what this franchise is about i think they do heists but i don't really remember

01:22:19.020 why but um but that's this will sound mean but that's very much like a south american way of

01:22:25.520 looking at things like south america and like the image of vin diesel clutching a rosary and holding

01:22:33.200 a gun is like that like none of you people are properly catholic first of all but you love like

01:22:39.040 catholic imagery and you love talking about family everything's family south americans and mexicans

01:22:44.460 love calling their friends family it's fucking weird but they this is this appeals to like brown

01:22:51.420 people and and like south american people and i don't know i just like i saw the two different

01:22:56.720 like john wick as this like anti fast and furious where it's just black and hispanic bullshit

01:23:02.560 and it's just stunts that don't make any sense and there's there's no substance to it

01:23:07.680 what do you think about that yeah yeah yeah i i actually enjoy them to be honest i love

01:23:13.540 pissing on them because they're so bad but i mean i i do get it well i get because i just

01:23:19.800 the last couple where they're not even trying and it's so blatantly cgi that it's it's worse than a

01:23:27.900 marvel movie because at least with a marvel movie it tries to like okay i'm going to introduce

01:23:32.960 some reality breaking rules and as dumb as they are i'm going to follow those rules but then when

01:23:39.780 i see like vin diesels in his car and he attaches a chain to like the windshield and then whips the

01:23:46.020 car around a mountain and hits a helicopter with his car and like well this is just dumb this is

01:23:52.600 a dumb siege it's not the cj's awesome though it's awesome but it's also it's none of it's earned

01:23:57.820 that's the thing about their action scenes nothing's earned like nothing's set up a good

01:24:02.180 action scene should be like a rube goldberg machine you know i mean like things should

01:24:07.500 fit together and flow there's no flow it's just like this when i when i see them zoom in on a

01:24:13.300 building a big skyscraper i know like okay he's gonna run down the skyscraper like they set it up

01:24:19.560 like a kid would like yeah look at this house of cards what's gonna happen oh you're gonna knock

01:24:24.540 over that house of cards that's what's gonna happen at least mission impossible when it does

01:24:31.720 that i'm like okay but this is actually this is tom cruise on the side of a skyscraper in dubai

01:24:38.440 and that that's what i'm watching it for and that i feel a tension here and this is there's

01:24:43.080 no setup and then there's no tension and then and there's tyreece doing a funny voice in the

01:24:49.540 fucking passenger seat oh look ludicrous is in space none of this means anything like as dumb

01:24:58.240 as the fight choreography might be in john wick or like a guy runs into a scene holding a gun but

01:25:05.440 shooting a gun just so john wick could like hit him in the armpit like you can't you can't really

01:25:10.240 compare them you can't really i can forgive that i cannot forgive what i'm saying is that there is

01:25:15.500 this is a race war do you understand yeah these movie franchises are a race war happening

01:25:22.040 and you you say that up until john wick 6 where ludicrous is in space no they better not replace

01:25:29.960 any of the black people who died in these movies i want to see more asians more whites

01:25:36.540 and an indian playing a dog that's what i'll accept an indian woman lean

01:25:45.020 light-skinned on all fours wearing a collar nude

01:25:51.900 damn going all that's what i'll accept i that final offer

01:25:59.960 fast and furious it's like they need there's so much of these fast and furious movies are about

01:26:09.220 them eating dinner and talking about their how their lives have changed how everything's changed

01:26:14.640 how what a long strange road it's been it seems like every time they're eating dinner it's like

01:26:18.620 at a shitty picnic table in like the in the bronx it's like weren't you just flying a five million

01:26:24.600 dollar helicopter into the side of a skyscraper they gotta fly back to fucking south central to

01:26:30.240 have their rooftop dinner eat a bunch of fucking lasagna and tacos whatever fucking bullshit it

01:26:37.320 they're doing make sure they're all drinking corona so you know that they're not fags

01:26:43.780 only in a hispanic movie are the cars invincible

01:26:49.600 hispanic movies need like developer mode enabled because they they're just fucking 14 year olds

01:26:58.780 who can't just see their favorite car get smashed john wick they make a point of always smashing up

01:27:05.500 his car poor guy he gets his car back and it's immediately destroyed he doesn't give a shit

01:27:11.180 that's primo white guy stuff yes and i'm gonna be watching this while my wife is giving birth

01:27:19.400 gonna pipe it into the to the or she's excited because she gets a big bag of popcorn

01:27:26.560 nice your son comes out and you just immediately don't give him to your wife you hold him up to

01:27:34.040 the screen so his first sight is john wick john wick 4 my son's cool he seems to like metallica

01:27:42.360 oh nice um because when you have a child you know the wife the mother will they recommend that you

01:27:51.340 you check how many times the child's moving in the belly it sounds weird to say when it's moving in

01:27:58.440 uterus but it's supposed to make six movements every two hours and so sometimes he won't move

01:28:05.840 as much she'll get panicked and so i'll try and inspire him to move and i found that playing

01:28:11.640 metallica and heavy metal seems to work nice so that's a check mark in the cool ass son department

01:28:20.000 i desperately don't want him to be a drama kid when you see him ask him if he wants to come to

01:28:25.120 the range with me i have uh i have i can bring guests to the range when i see him yeah when you

01:28:31.240 see him just ask him if he's not busy when he comes out when he's born do you want to go to

01:28:39.000 the range you don't know but his uncle judas he's cool he's pretty cool you want he's cool

01:28:46.920 not as cool as he thinks but just go with it he's gonna he's gonna smell like smoke he's gonna smell

01:28:54.740 like meat smoke and cigarettes he's got a very smoky air about him visually

01:29:02.240 you know scently and he's got he's got a smoky soul you'll like him you'll like

01:29:07.960 really building this guy up already that's building you up oh you're talking about me

01:29:14.320 i thought you're talking about your son no i'm thinking like what do you got in that uterus

01:29:19.240 holy shit he's not too bright he's this judas guy he thought i was talking about a baby when

01:29:26.520 i was talking about him you made an absolute fool of yourself i take that as a compliment

01:29:32.720 it smelled like meat and smoke i appreciate that speaking of being burned out my white ass

01:29:40.040 um so one thing i wanted to get to it's that time again it's the time everyone likes

01:29:49.060 so when i talk about a thing that i was researching are you ready excellent let's go

01:29:54.900 don't horse around i was thinking about how up until now i've been calling this

01:30:01.120 little run this series of history i'm calling like oh we're doing a deep dive on kind of world

01:30:08.040 history and i realized that thematically everything i've covered and am going to cover

01:30:13.920 of the next couple has mostly been barbarians so i might pivot what i was talking about and say this

01:30:20.860 isn't just world history when we talked about sort of the middle eastern cults going back to

01:30:26.860 antiquity going back to the bronze age we talked about the collapse of the bronze age when we

01:30:31.360 talked about you know the vikings in essence what we're talking about is the the rise and falls of

01:30:38.660 these sort of pagan societies and what some might call barbarians and we'll get into this next

01:30:45.520 episode when we talk about the huns but when i say barbarians i i'm not making a value judgment

01:30:50.620 i'm not saying anything morally about the individuals this is more just everything that

01:30:56.620 would be existing outside of these central huge governments that would be outside of christendom

01:31:02.400 outside of rome or outside of you know the centralized islamic state whatever it is just

01:31:07.560 like arguably most of the world but what we started to see and what we're going to see is

01:31:13.500 certain commonalities between a lot of these quote-unquote barbarian viking you know pagan

01:31:20.020 groups a lot of them rise and fall in the very same way and so we're going to see that today

01:31:26.160 with this analysis which is the mongols and this is something when i set out to do this i was very

01:31:32.980 very interested in the mongols just like the vikings and i at the time i called them asian

01:31:38.860 vikings and there are some commonalities but there's some significant differences as well

01:31:44.020 arguably the vikings did more i think the vikings would have had a better case for

01:31:52.220 leaving a lasting impact on europe maybe even more than the huns but the mongols always found

01:32:01.180 very very fascinating just what i knew and i think the mongols as a group sit pretty high

01:32:05.580 in the minds of people as significant historic movements and people to this day still talk

01:32:13.240 about genghis khan like he's this great great ruler and in many ways he was but in reading this

01:32:20.160 book the book titled the mongols by david morgan this was published in 1986 and what i love about

01:32:31.780 books that were published in the mid to late uh 20th century um people say oh they're not woke i'm

01:32:39.340 like true but they also it's funny reading a book where it talks about like the soviet union like

01:32:45.540 it's still a thing you know i was reading one again about the huns and it was talking about

01:32:50.040 you know soviets uh historians and things like that but it also it speaks about race and ethnicity

01:32:56.920 and probably a way that you couldn't speak about it these days right but you know when i read these

01:33:03.680 books i'm always trying to find the narrative through line and what i loved about this book

01:33:07.740 simply titled the mongols was it was a pretty academic study whereas a lot of modern books

01:33:15.720 because there's a lot of books you could get about the mongols and about genghis khan specifically

01:33:21.320 and these books are written in a very narrative fashion and this book isn't that this book is

01:33:26.520 really just a historical analysis broken down across you know just here's who they were here's

01:33:33.620 their art here here's how they acted it's very there's no narrative flourishment which is

01:33:41.360 very very difficult because once you start adding in that poetry and that all that cool stuff that

01:33:47.740 people like to read the biases of the author start to come in one little narrative thing i found in

01:33:54.440 this book in the history of the mongols i found interesting and it's going to be applied to a lot

01:33:59.320 of other similar groups is that um they they weren't as significant as i originally thought

01:34:07.100 a lot of that's mythologizing of the mongols and the second was it made china seem very very cool

01:34:14.180 and see made china seem very very powerful um in their relationship with the mongols because

01:34:20.520 one thing we'll get into in a second is that the mongols actually did take over not the entirety

01:34:26.100 of china but a couple of the chinese kingdoms because china was three kingdoms at the time

01:34:31.000 and you know they one of the the cons was actually in chinese history and he's seen he still

01:34:38.740 remember there's a lot of chinese paintings about this this kind of short but strange time where the

01:34:44.540 mongols were in charge and then they just went away one day and the one thing you notice is that

01:34:48.920 nothing really changed when the mongols were in charge nothing really changed much before or after

01:34:54.820 of the mongols like it makes the chinese uh not the chinese race but the chinese i guess you could

01:35:02.420 call the chinese race because like they're it stretches back so far and they had such a

01:35:07.760 centralized power structure that the mongols and no other adjacent territories had that it kind of

01:35:14.840 felt like it was this permanent thing that the mongols could never really defeat um and so and

01:35:20.660 there's a confidence to that and i think it's that sort of confidence that enraged the mongols

01:35:26.240 too like saying we can take that but once they had it they didn't know what to do with it

01:35:31.580 we're just going to take a tour through mongol history come along with me here we go so

01:35:38.200 the mongol empire at its peak stretched from korea to hungary um so that would be most of

01:35:47.340 Asia and Eastern Europe. But for them, despite all their conquests, their conquest, there are

01:35:53.360 multiple different hordes. And so we kind of grouped them under sort of the Mongol Empire,

01:35:58.260 but there were different areas and different people in charge of different fronts of expanding

01:36:02.440 that empire. The great conqueror of Asia and the Middle East, Genghis Khan, divided his kingdom

01:36:09.160 into Kanates, among his four sons. The eldest son, Batu, inherited the westernmost part of the empire.

01:36:17.340 covering russia and kazakhstan but the crown jewel to the mongols was always china um and

01:36:26.500 even as they were invading europe they didn't really give a shit about europe even as they

01:36:30.940 were invading russia they didn't really give a shit about russia it was always more about china

01:36:35.480 this wealthy huge kingdom um their full control of this area that we're just talking about

01:36:42.500 only lasted around a century which sounds like a long time but in historical terms not really

01:36:49.480 certainly not compared to rome or anything else but even compared to other you know upstart kingdoms

01:36:55.640 and what you find with the mongols and other similar kind of quote-unquote barbarian movements

01:37:03.260 is that so much of their power is tied to one charismatic leader and once that charismatic

01:37:11.400 and that charismatic leader has just like uh atilla the hun just like genghis khan they had

01:37:16.840 this ability to for a brief moment unite everyone and that and they're seen as as the pinnacle and

01:37:24.380 that's why to this day genghis khan is still seen as the pinnacle no one really gives much of a shit

01:37:29.200 about his sons they kind of do but not really but it's still genghis khan and so but once he dies

01:37:36.040 of natural causes everything starts to fall apart and we saw the same thing with the vikings they

01:37:41.300 were able to find these these great men were able to amble and climb their way to the top but once

01:37:46.860 they died oftentimes passed away peacefully everything just decays and turns into infighting

01:37:52.900 and it just they're once again conquered by more centralized powers around them yeah and so the

01:37:59.640 mongols came from what are called the steps s-t-e-p-p-e-s something people have probably

01:38:04.940 heard before the steps essentially a desert a desert full of these tribes that were kind of

01:38:10.660 on the border, the outer reaches of China. They tended to survive in these big fabric tents

01:38:17.140 that people have probably seen before. Because they were nomadic, they moved around a lot. And

01:38:22.380 not only did they move around a lot, they were obsessed with horses. Horses were central to

01:38:27.200 their lives. Horses to the Mongols were what ships were to the Vikings. That'd probably be

01:38:31.760 the best way to explain it. And they also loved drinking. This is mentioned in the historical

01:38:37.980 records they were infamous for getting blind drunk and they often died young because they got drunk

01:38:44.820 so often but um yeah the thing was they were obsessed with horses with conquest with martial

01:38:50.600 strength just like the vikings just like these other groups um they they trained young on the

01:38:56.120 horses they were known to be the best on horseback which is why you know across time another thing

01:39:01.600 you notice with these uh groups is that they have complicated relationships with these bigger

01:39:07.180 empires like the mongols at various points they wanted to conquer china but they were also employed

01:39:12.860 by china because if there was what they really want is money what these groups want is they just

01:39:18.260 want money they don't actually want power not power like we would know it they just want money

01:39:24.960 they want to control areas because they want to get taxed they want taxes rather they want gold

01:39:30.680 and what do they want gold for just to buy stuff but what's so funny with the mongols is like once

01:39:35.640 they get these taxes they don't really spend it on building palaces you know they don't get nicer

01:39:41.500 tents really they just kind of get it to have it you know the mongols and these other groups these

01:39:46.560 barbarians it is so funny that the more they succeed the more wealth they get but they just

01:39:50.720 don't know what to do with with the wealth really um and that's a remarked on in the book that at

01:39:57.560 one point um the the mongol capital one of the capitals that was founded by one of his sons

01:40:04.600 was called kwankorum it's a cool sounding thing but that for visiting dignitaries and scouts who

01:40:12.080 visited the city that's the capital city of the mongols they would always remark about how shitty

01:40:17.660 it looked they would go there like yeah this is just a bunch of tents and huts like comparatively

01:40:24.020 it's like they don't they don't really have an interest in building a taj mahal or anything like

01:40:28.440 that so to them it would just be like we're gonna i'm gonna have the biggest tent you know um and

01:40:36.820 some other facts with the mongols that i learned and this is why genghis khan was so impressive

01:40:41.640 because the mongols were essentially illiterate before genghis khan showed up and this is what

01:40:46.940 presents a problem with so many of these studies is that we don't know a lot about them like the

01:40:53.440 mongols specifically is because they didn't really make things to last this was the problem

01:40:57.680 of the vikings as well like you make things out of wood and you lead a life of conquering and

01:41:03.280 not scavenging but conquest but you tend not to settle if you're not a people that settles

01:41:09.860 you're not people who build things that are permanent you're not the type to carve things

01:41:13.880 in the stone you might carve things in a wood but the wood rots because you don't actually give a

01:41:18.100 shit about making anything that lasts a thousand years until you get a great leader and this great

01:41:24.820 leader is usually the one that teaches the people how to write to create a language and that was

01:41:31.040 Genghis Khan but the problem is their histories tend to be written by their enemies

01:41:38.600 and this tends to color how we understand them so this means that our understanding of a lot

01:41:44.520 of the barbarians are more extreme than they might have been and they were probably they

01:41:48.500 weren't nice but in the sense that no one was nice back then but if they don't record their

01:41:53.800 own history all we have is the people who were afraid of them or who hated them or wanted to

01:41:58.260 tell stories about them boiling babies alive or whatever but that's why you know it's kind of

01:42:03.900 one-sided some of these so we try and be as fair as possible and which is what's so amusing about

01:42:08.700 some of these real books these academic books is that they spend a great amount of time arguing

01:42:14.580 with other historians or presenting you and i love this book especially because it will present with

01:42:20.280 you present to you like three or four historical interpretations and then we have to try and

01:42:27.000 decide which one sounds more reasonable kind of like with the bronze age collapse that we just

01:42:31.120 discussed like we we have a bunch of stuff that doesn't really fit together what's the most likely

01:42:36.540 thing that happened you know like we know that the jews were exiled from egypt around this time

01:42:42.660 because we can kind of triangulate that based on other information right their approach to china

01:42:47.360 So just to reiterate, China around this time, around the 1200s, the 1200s is what we're talking about.

01:42:53.200 China was actually three separate empires with the Song Dynasty being the biggest and the most traditional.

01:42:59.680 And the steppe region was disorganized and kept that way purposefully by Chinese interests.

01:43:07.060 And so just knowing how far back in time this goes was very engaging to me because China was always concerned with the Mongols.

01:43:14.740 they have all these tribes these violent people they know they're making incursions into china

01:43:19.700 they're going to these villages and raping and pillaging and stuff and they're slowly starting

01:43:24.540 to amass power in china every time they saw a leader start to amass power they would fund their

01:43:30.640 enemy or their rival or their competitor and just keep everyone at level playing field so they were

01:43:36.100 sowing discord and chaos amongst the mongols for the longest time just by literally throwing money

01:43:42.580 just to create confusion and conflict wherever they could.

01:43:47.900 And it was pretty much that easy,

01:43:49.500 and it worked for quite some time until Genghis Khan showed up.

01:43:54.960 Genghis Khan soon turned his attention

01:43:56.900 to the vast Chinese dynasties in the east.

01:43:59.600 He knew the emperor would never allow

01:44:01.340 such a strong and unified Mongolia on his borders,

01:44:04.380 and so decided to take the first strike.

01:44:07.200 Heading into China, the Khan's army plundered,

01:44:09.520 raped, and killed any who stood in their way

01:44:11.720 until they reached the capital of the north,

01:44:14.060 Zhongdu, now called Beijing.

01:44:16.440 The city was one of the most advanced in the world,

01:44:18.960 sporting 40-foot high walls

01:44:20.580 that were completely alien to the nomadic Mongols.

01:44:23.860 To get into the city,

01:44:25.320 Genghis Khan used captured Chinese engineers

01:44:27.480 to design siege equipment

01:44:28.820 and camped outside the walls,

01:44:30.880 cutting off vital supply lines.

01:44:33.080 Here's the funny part.

01:44:34.360 Like other Chinese sources of the period,

01:44:36.420 it shows almost no interest in any part of the world

01:44:39.240 other than China itself.

01:44:40.600 and as a generous concession its immediate neighbors there are no sections on any other

01:44:46.400 mongol khanates the affairs of those states appear rarely and then only in the course of events

01:44:51.920 that are related because they are relevant to china the only foreign countries that rate

01:44:57.340 separate treatment are those that have always received it in the dynastic histories japan

01:45:02.100 korea and burma and really up until then the only source they had that was actually from the mongols

01:45:08.400 is the secret history of the mongols which is a fascinating book which i looked at for this but

01:45:13.900 you know that's more of the mongols own mythology so that's a lot of like how you know the mongols

01:45:21.280 were born of like two wolves and genghis khan was this great man you know the mythology itself is

01:45:28.200 interesting but i wanted more of a academic sense of the people and what actually happened but

01:45:32.940 you know the secret history of the mongols would be is like essentially the only surviving thing

01:45:38.840 and it only survives because it was translated by chinese dignitaries so it was actually up to the

01:45:45.140 chinese to translate it so maybe some of it didn't translate perfectly but that's what we got and

01:45:50.800 eventually the mongols did take over the large swathes of china and it was given the name of the

01:45:57.020 yuan dynasty so that's the period if you hear on like that's the period where the mongols were in

01:46:02.760 charge of everything and what's interesting is their relationship with china as they were invading

01:46:08.240 the mongols hated cities and this is the funny thing that even when the mongols took over a

01:46:14.860 territory they would never want to reside in the territory and that's what would separate them from

01:46:19.720 the vikings really they just wanted tribute they were just like we talked about in these other

01:46:24.400 groups like a mafia they were shaking down these empires but like to their core they hated cities

01:46:31.960 they living a sedentary lifestyle was disgusting them they looked at commerce as being weak but

01:46:38.880 like they that's why even their own cities were garbage because the idea of like living in one

01:46:43.300 place made no sense and so they were more comfortable living on these like kind of

01:46:48.960 grassy wasteland plains which they needed to do because every mongol every mongol warrior because

01:46:55.660 they were just warriors remember there was no political class there was no academic elites

01:47:02.840 it's just everyone was a warrior and in that sense that causes problems because

01:47:07.420 this is what's not talked about a lot it's that when you have a martial class or a martial cast

01:47:14.980 or a warrior class there really is isn't much unity to speak of everyone is essentially out

01:47:21.540 for themselves and the only way you can unify these tribes and these warriors is to promise

01:47:26.720 them wealth or conquest or there's good raping over the hill we saw that with the vikings we

01:47:34.120 see this with the other groups as well which is you could only keep them together insofar as they

01:47:39.620 are conquering that's the problem but what's interesting is when they were describing the

01:47:44.680 mongol hierarchy is like the the khans you know the genghis khan by the way just uh i know people

01:47:51.880 are probably scorning me right now the real way to say it is chingis khan um yeah it is chingis

01:48:01.520 yeah yeah i prefer the khan is the title kha and that's the title his name was chingis um

01:48:09.500 and so but i genghis is a rough translation i preferred genghis i think we're okay to

01:48:16.500 compromise and just call him chungus chungus con he looked like a chungus by the way i don't

01:48:23.260 know if that's just asian ancient asian people always painted people fat and i don't think they

01:48:29.760 were that fat what do you think about that am i talking shit i don't think it's fat i think it's

01:48:35.580 like um like stout especially the mongols like they're phenotype they're at they are actually

01:48:42.040 quite like stout folk right yeah but the point i was making was that the leadership even in the

01:48:48.140 mongols we'd look at genghis khan as like the leader of the mongols but leadership was not

01:48:52.400 autocratic at all the mongols essentially only followed anyone during times of war and during

01:48:59.000 peace time it was a free-for-all it was laissez-faire you could do essentially whatever the fuck you

01:49:03.040 wanted um but what they wanted to do was just conquest because like what else do you do if you

01:49:09.340 hate staying in one place and like every um mongol warrior as outlined in the book had around nine

01:49:16.460 horses so you have to imagine like to recontextualize their fights imagine one guy showing up to battle

01:49:24.420 with nine horses and it points out in the book that this was a strategy of theirs that they

01:49:29.320 repeatedly used that that was one way to make there was always different estimates of how many

01:49:35.940 mongols there were at any given time or at any given battle and one of the reasons given was

01:49:41.360 because they would each guy would bring multiple horses into battle and so from a distance you're

01:49:47.500 like holy shit look at all these people but it's just like one guy with i don't know why they did

01:49:52.840 that it didn't describe what happened in a battle i don't know if the horses just kind of fled around

01:49:56.780 and fucked up but i think it was just to kind of create this confusion but that was also the only

01:50:02.120 thing like if you were to get tribute in gold the only thing you could buy that had any value

01:50:08.180 i suppose would be more horses and i don't know if there was a ceiling on how many horses

01:50:14.920 a mongol would get but hypothetically you could have 20 000 horses if you had conquered enough

01:50:22.980 and it's interesting that you know i hate to get back to this but they had a different

01:50:28.920 conceptualization of race and ethnicity um so like in the like in the middle east we were talking

01:50:34.940 about before a couple episodes ago like brotherhood and voluntary kinship bonds were treated just as

01:50:41.700 strongly as ethnic bonds so and it was pretty common for like for the individuals to leave

01:50:48.680 their clans and take blood oaths with other clans like there was people jumping between tribes all

01:50:54.400 the time they didn't have a conceptualization of ethnicity like we did and they didn't really have

01:50:59.320 and that's something that always strikes me as i look further back in time because in our current

01:51:06.220 historical period especially guys who are on the broad right currently they talk about like it's

01:51:11.900 family first everything's family and blood i'm like true but people were making blood oaths all

01:51:17.460 the time back then and they were treated just as as close as family which means that they devalued

01:51:24.700 family back then but also valued voluntary kinship just as much as family and that seems

01:51:32.460 completely foreign to us as modern individuals would that be a fair thing to say yeah that's

01:51:39.600 reasonable yeah and in that same vein uh the book makes a point of saying you know the mongols were

01:51:45.700 religiously tolerant but insofar as they were indifferent so if anyone's wondering the mongols

01:51:52.660 they did practice a form of shamanism and i wouldn't even call paganism i would just call

01:51:58.280 it straight up shamanism it's witch doctors it's doing rituals for good luck it's trying to you

01:52:04.600 know divine the future by looking at entrails and things like that so they didn't really have

01:52:09.700 anything approaching even more coherent paganism as we would know it right now the reason i think

01:52:17.320 that's significant is because therein seemed to lie their downfall so you have this sort of

01:52:25.720 shamanistic society on on one side you have china who practices confucianism and their unique brand

01:52:32.740 of chinese mysticism and then over here you actually have something approach like islam

01:52:39.220 you have persia because they're obsessed with persia too and what you see is that as the mongols

01:52:45.340 start conquering these territories and installing their leaders any mongols that were staying behind

01:52:51.200 in these places actually did convert so in the case of uh the mongols in china like what defeated

01:52:58.800 the mongols conquest of china it was that china kind of swallowed them up under monk khan persia

01:53:06.320 and mesopotamia became fully incorporated within the mongol empire the sack of baghdad during this

01:53:12.960 campaign is considered to be one of the largest massacres in human history his successor kubla

01:53:18.480 khan conquered the song dynasty of southern china and brought the empire to its greatest extent

01:53:24.080 However, his reign was plagued with internal rebellion and a few failed campaigns that set the limits of empire, including two failed invasions of Japan.

01:53:32.520 Although Khan of the entire Mongol Empire in name, throughout Kublai Khan's long reign, he increasingly took on the rule of a Chinese emperor, while other areas of the empire became increasingly independent and self-governing.

01:53:45.720 and you saw as the mongols took over you know more muslim territories they just eventually

01:53:52.420 converted to muslim and we ask ourselves well where do the mongols go and a lot of these cases

01:53:57.500 they just kind of interbred and disappeared into those countries and then because they didn't have

01:54:04.160 a religion and they didn't really have an ethnic identity that they would really die for they just

01:54:11.980 kind of vanished into the places and that that seems to be a common story with all these these

01:54:16.780 these groups and so we'll talk about the great man who did eventually unite all these different

01:54:24.400 clans he did it in a pretty machiavellian way uh the story of genghis khan is pretty interesting

01:54:29.340 because for uh at various points there were multiple leaders there was actually a co-leader

01:54:35.280 a co-khan who he eventually killed and like his story is kind of climbing up the ranks and

01:54:42.060 killing the people around him who were proving to be a competitor to him so it wasn't that he

01:54:48.820 was this great man who ascended from heaven he did it like any other power struggle and to me

01:54:54.460 that's more interesting but that's not the story that they would tell so genghis khan was born

01:54:59.200 timuchin he was the son of a local chieftain um his father was killed and they tried to kill him

01:55:05.620 too but he escaped he escaped that and became a raider um a very very you know just like the

01:55:12.760 vikings and his other groups that you kind of leave and the first thing you do is you start

01:55:15.880 conquering and raiding and raping and stealing and then like a lot of the great leaders he was

01:55:22.160 just so good at raping and stealing that they said this guy should be in charge of the raping

01:55:27.160 and stealing um it says taken as a whole these stories present a picture of a child who triumphs

01:55:36.500 over all adversity to fulfill his destiny and to reclaim his birthright and more who enjoys the

01:55:42.900 favor if somewhat erratic of heaven and who shows immense ingenuity as well as a nascent power of

01:55:50.180 leadership in overcoming all the disadvantages resulting from his father's sudden death perhaps

01:55:56.300 it is rather too good to be true but on the other hand the boy who later became chingis khan

01:56:01.420 is no doubt likely in reality to have been a remarkable character enough and we have seen

01:56:06.620 before that the secret history does not shrink from elating such tales discredible though as

01:56:12.440 they may be as that of his murder of his half-brother bector so again i would propose

01:56:18.380 to reserving judgment on some of the details so yeah basically he was saying that even in

01:56:22.860 the secret history of the mongols you know he does kill his own brother he does kill these people

01:56:27.620 it doesn't shy away from the ugly truths of genghis khan which is to say that maybe some of the

01:56:33.140 taller tales have more truth to them than we would think like he wasn't a guy who just showed up from

01:56:38.680 heaven he's closer to something like uh the prophet muhammad of islam like they don't shy away from the

01:56:44.920 nasty shit he did either yeah so in in short you know the brief history of genghis khan starts as

01:56:52.260 bandit unites the tribes a patron there's like a rich patron who gives him a lot of power

01:56:58.660 he there's a break from the patron at some point and the war machine just begins to spread

01:57:04.560 yeah the story outlined in the book is largely uh Genghis Khan having to kill his own princes

01:57:09.740 and partners either from betrayal on their part or most likely his thirst for power because the

01:57:15.900 story of Genghis Khan that they like to tell is like he just kept getting betrayed by his closest

01:57:20.720 confidants when in reality probably just killed them because they were inconvenient but you know

01:57:25.320 maybe those two are the same thing uh chingis the name he adopted later means oceanic in in the

01:57:34.300 exact translation which they think might actually mean universal those two are synonymous um and he

01:57:42.000 assumes this title after conquering the tartars and uniting the tribes of mongolia

01:57:46.580 um and after he died this is just a fun fact i didn't know but he mentions in the book that

01:57:52.600 he's buried secretly on the top of a mountain since height was very very important to mongols

01:57:58.080 this ties into the shamanism of having the high ground like the higher up you are the more divine

01:58:03.400 and old you are so to them being in the lowlands wasn't as good as you know the sacred mountains

01:58:09.840 you still see a lot of that in the region today in mongolia and after genghis khan takes over

01:58:16.200 there's just a line here from the book it says the tribes of the mongolian steplands not for the

01:58:21.420 first time had a supreme ruler chinese policy had been circumvented they had failed to keep the

01:58:27.540 tribes at each other's throats but unless something decisive was done with the newly

01:58:32.180 formed military machine it would soon dissolve into quarreling factions again and mongolia would

01:58:38.380 revert to its earlier state this to my mind is at least one explanation for the beginnings of the

01:58:44.220 mongols astonishing career of conquest a superb army potentially invincible in the field in the

01:58:51.180 13th century conditions had been successfully created but if it was not used against external

01:58:57.540 enemies it would not remain in being for long the only matter that required the decision was in

01:59:03.220 which direction the armies were to advance and the directions they advanced were actually in all

01:59:08.620 directions but you can kind of see the the ticking clock on this thing like you're eventually going

01:59:14.380 to come to the end of your conquest and and it should be noted that there's some tribes throughout

01:59:21.860 history that are it's in question whether or not they really wanted to conquer forever um and some

01:59:28.880 people like oh they just wanted this land or that land but there's enough evidence to show that the

01:59:33.280 Mongols really just did want to conquer until they could conquer no more. They wanted the world.

01:59:40.420 Genghis Khan died in 1227 during his final conquest into China. According to the secret

01:59:46.320 history, his last words were, I have conquered for you a large empire, but my life was too short to

01:59:52.360 take the whole world. That I leave to you. He appointed his son Ogadai as his successor in the

01:59:58.860 hopes that he could complete the divine mission genghis khan was buried in an unmarked grave

02:00:03.560 with all those who arranged the funeral apparently executed in order to keep the location a secret

02:00:08.560 they had their eyes set squarely on europe they wanted to go through russia they wanted

02:00:14.440 to go as far as britain they probably would have gone to africa if they could

02:00:17.900 but the chinese had a saying in relation to the mongols it sounds like a very chinese saying

02:00:24.420 because it involves animals but it said while the empire was built on horseback it cannot be run on

02:00:31.140 horseback um and that was that's why it can never be an empire and it makes a point and the chinese

02:00:37.680 knew this that i like this line it's like to speak of the mongolian army was to speak of the

02:00:45.080 mongolian people like the entire the mongolian people were the army everybody was a soldier

02:00:51.360 right yeah and then their entire society at this point going forward was just preparing for war

02:00:58.360 and i don't really know where the women landed that but i have to think that they were involved

02:01:03.980 in some way as well um and genghis khan you know there's stories about his his conquests

02:01:10.660 um there's a couple facts to point out about that usually the mongols they had a rule

02:01:17.380 that if a city was conquered uh without any loss of life on the mongol side they would be nice to

02:01:25.000 them and if a city just surrendered there would be no massacres and by all accounts they stayed

02:01:31.540 true to this um but there were cases where they took special interest in devastating certain

02:01:38.640 people uh one example was there was genghis khan was waging war essentially against the muslim world

02:01:45.660 after they had taken over China

02:01:49.160 they moved on to Islam

02:01:50.420 because there was this instance

02:01:51.900 where there was like a group

02:01:54.840 of 450 Mongol traders or merchants

02:01:59.760 that were, and an ambassador

02:02:02.200 that were actually killed by the Muslims

02:02:05.700 and so he decided I'm just going to kill

02:02:07.960 as many Muslims as I possibly can.

02:02:10.960 Genghis Khan sent a caravan

02:02:12.920 with precious gifts to Shah Muhammad II

02:02:15.640 second, hoping to establish trade. However, the governor of the Khwarezmian city of Otrar,

02:02:22.520 Inalchuk, had the members of the caravan arrested, claiming they were spies. Genghis Khan then

02:02:29.120 sent three ambassadors to the Shah himself to demand the merchants be set free. Muhammad

02:02:35.120 refused. The merchants, along with one of the ambassadors, were executed. The rules

02:02:41.140 of hospitality, which Genghis Khan considered sacred, were broken, and he started planning

02:02:46.940 his retribution. Meanwhile, another army under his second and third sons, Chagatai and Orgedei,

02:02:54.220 passed through the Zungarian Gate with haste and besieged Otra, which had a garrison of 20,000.

02:03:01.340 After five months, a deserter opened the gates and allowed the Mongols into the city.

02:03:06.880 Utra became the first of many settlements to have its entire population slain or enslaved before it was razed to the ground.

02:03:15.920 Inalchuk was captured and reportedly had molten silver poured into his eyes and ears.

02:03:22.280 Once he kind of set his sights on someone who he felt like insulted them, you know, he would actually try to wipe them from the face of the earth.

02:03:30.520 now the size of the horde in question the the entire horde not just the golden horse specific

02:03:37.540 sub hordes but the entire horde that size has been debated so most people say around a hundred

02:03:46.240 and five thousand strong was the army and it's funny that the they had a very unique way of

02:03:54.200 hunting as well the way they hunted was also kind of how they conducted warfare which is when they

02:03:59.960 wanted to uh if they needed meat they would just encircle an entire herd of of animals of deer or

02:04:08.080 whatever and just move in to the center and then just like have a frenzy of stabbing from the

02:04:14.600 outside it wasn't hunting that you or i would know it it was just they do massacres we should

02:04:21.540 try that though that sounds fun it could i have to have to imagine that as just like a mess though

02:04:27.320 right because then you're also trampling the animals underfoot and then i don't know i've

02:04:32.740 never seen it done but we could get like a hundred guys together and go with atvs and chainsaws

02:04:37.540 and just elk hunt like that yeah but that's also how they liked to take over cities and stuff too

02:04:43.740 um i got one example here of a city so right here chingiz's principle seems to have been

02:04:50.820 much the same as president truman's over hiroshima and nagasaki the apparent rationale was that if

02:04:57.140 If the population of one city was subjected to a frightful massacre, the next city would be more likely to surrender without resistance, thus avoiding unnecessary Mongol casualties.

02:05:08.500 The morality of this approach to warfare is no doubt open to discussion, but there can be no disputing that it worked.

02:05:14.860 The Mongols' policy was that any city which surrendered without fighting would be spared, but that those that caused the Mongol army to suffer casualties could expect no mercy.

02:05:24.980 The Mongols usually kept to their word, and the message, to judge from the number of cities that did surrender on demand, seemed speedily to have spread.

02:05:34.220 So, the Mongols would adopt any institution and employ any potential servant that seemed likely to facilitate effective government.

02:05:43.240 The effectiveness would be measured chiefly by the revenue receipts.

02:05:46.840 There is little that can be regarded as identifiably Mongol in the governmental institutions of the Mongols' empire,

02:05:53.160 except for the way in which they put it all together and made such an extraordinary disparate

02:05:57.960 assemblage this actually work the principal constraint on this free and easy approach

02:06:03.500 was the consideration that nothing should be allowed to endanger mongol military supremacy

02:06:08.740 and in china the yuan emperors may have made appropriate noises about the mandate of heaven

02:06:13.960 but few if any mongol rulers can have supposed themselves to be ruling with the consent of their

02:06:21.080 non-mongol subjects it was above all essential that that the man on horseback should succeed

02:06:26.800 in staying there so basically they were saying that they were kind of cobbling together an empire

02:06:32.640 from the places they conquered but they can never really control it and in a sense that means that

02:06:38.800 when the mongols conquered you all you really had to do was kind of pay them tribute and and that

02:06:44.900 tribute was only to keep the war engine going so it was an interesting way of thinking about

02:06:49.720 conquest because when we think about being conquered you think of you know soldiers in

02:06:53.540 the streets and stuff but you're conquered by people who hate your culture don't want to live

02:06:58.400 in your cities don't learn the language and don't really want to change the government or even run

02:07:02.900 the government and when they do run the government when they install their own people they immediately

02:07:08.700 become just like you and this took effect even stronger when uh genghis khan's son after genghis

02:07:16.420 come past his son took over his name was cuba i'm gonna say it's q u b i l a i cuba lie whatever it

02:07:25.800 is he was genghis khan's grandson and ruled later and he was of the mind he was this kind of reformer

02:07:31.920 guy and he said we should be more like china he was actually trying to conquer china at the same

02:07:36.740 time he's like we should actually be like china um because at this time there was like a civil war

02:07:42.300 raging on within uh the mongol empire about what they should actually be like so it's it's so funny

02:07:49.200 like you spend so much time around china that eventually across generations are like maybe i

02:07:55.080 want to be chinese like what is it to be a mongol this is the question i think is really asked in

02:08:00.840 the book and then those who are interested in the mongol especially mongols now who still

02:08:05.580 lionize Genghis Khan you have to ask there's there's movements right now in Mongolia

02:08:12.240 they're all about like looking back and they have statues of Genghis Khan and statues of his sons

02:08:17.980 and grandsons but like what does it mean to you and what does that statue mean to you because

02:08:23.160 really it's just conquest and really when presented with other cultures you just succumb to them you

02:08:30.260 know what i mean like it's like you're worshiping an army you're worshiping an ancient army which is

02:08:36.900 such a strange phenomena i thought anyway but yeah his grandson he actually founded the city

02:08:43.420 of peking which i didn't know he was founded the city of peking he was given a chinese title

02:08:48.960 um which kind of cemented his way of become trying to propose china to the rest of the

02:08:55.180 mongol empire um and began to adapt buddhism so this is where buddhism starts to make its

02:09:02.160 encroachment into mongol identity and there's a certain brand of buddhism that's very very

02:09:08.960 attracted to them um and then at the same time as they're adopting to buddhism islam is proven

02:09:16.120 popular over the golden horde because the golden horde was that sub horde i was talking about that

02:09:21.340 just going after persia so while they're becoming islamic over here they're becoming buddhist over

02:09:27.020 here um and there's a certain like subsect of buddhism that was uniquely appealing to them

02:09:34.360 because you know within buddhism there's all these little strands that uh go off from it and there's

02:09:39.780 some that are way more into shamanism and magic and stuff and so that was kind of the gateway drug

02:09:45.460 and just like in islam there's there's certain aspects of islam they can get into through magic

02:09:51.800 and through the dark arts and stuff not all of it that's the fringe stuff obviously but

02:09:56.740 you can see how that would be uniquely appealing to a shamanistic or even a pagan thing and then

02:10:02.540 over time they just adapt to the more mainstream version of it and here's there's one note in the

02:10:09.340 book that i really loved and i never considered this so after genghis khan dies as i mentioned

02:10:14.520 it went to his sons and then went to his grandsons but there before genghis khan there was no rule

02:10:21.060 of hereditary you know rulership this is a new thing and it was never really even questioned

02:10:26.480 no one really even made a real power play for the throne everyone just kind of assumed it would go to

02:10:31.500 uh his descendants and the reason that that is is because um very cleverly genghis khan introduced

02:10:39.200 a decimal based army system so he kind of as he established the army he reshaped the army

02:10:47.180 and what that had the function of was making it so all the old tribal loyalties went away

02:10:54.020 quickly rose to power by forging strategic alliances with other leaders unlike those

02:11:01.540 cons temujin promoted soldiers based on merit and distributed spoils evenly among them his most

02:11:08.680 brilliant move was to scatter the nomads he conquered among his own soldiers so they couldn't

02:11:13.920 join together against him these innovations made him unstoppable and by 1206 he had united the

02:11:20.660 people of the felt wall tents and become Genghis Khan so he by reorganizing the army and kind of

02:11:29.640 sending them in different directions he made it so that there was no actual tribal loyalties anymore

02:11:34.560 so everyone just kind of he individualized mongolia in a sense and um and that's why

02:11:41.600 the hereditary nature was assumed because there was no real contenders after that i just thought

02:11:46.320 that was such like a brilliant way of doing it i don't know if that was intentional but that is the

02:11:51.480 effect it had um um one other front of the war and i know we gotta get going soon so i'll wrap

02:11:57.460 this up momentarily but another front of the war we haven't talked much about was russia because

02:12:01.880 the mongols did invade russia as well and they actually had much of an easier time of invading

02:12:06.920 russia because uh the nature of russian power at the time was these sort of feuding princes and

02:12:13.020 everything and if the russian power structures were able to unify they couldn't repel the mongols

02:12:19.100 but even as the mongols were invading they were still bickering and infighting so the mongols just

02:12:23.840 ran right over them and unfortunately the story of the mongols in russia is much worse in china

02:12:30.320 that china didn't really seem to give a shit but the russians were deeply impacted by the

02:12:35.320 incursions of the mongols and they had a much much worse time of it and like one of the reasons

02:12:41.460 because they didn't really even give a shit about the mongols even as the mongols were invading

02:12:44.860 they were still more concerned about the fucking swedes you know what i mean um all right so

02:12:51.560 here's kind of how it ended many mongols did indeed remain in china after the fall of the

02:12:57.380 Yuan Dynasty in 1368. The new Ming rulers were not so xenophobic as to be blind to the advantages

02:13:03.920 of having Mongol cavalrymen available to them. The specter of a new Mongol conquest of China

02:13:09.580 was always before the eyes of the Ming emperors, and it was sound policy to be prepared to fight

02:13:15.080 the Mongols with Mongols to some extent. In Persia, there was no eviction of the Mongols

02:13:20.000 when the Ilkhanate dissolved in the 1330s. The Mongols of Persia, probably always fairly small

02:13:26.080 number were in due course absorbed into the turkish tribal population which apart from a

02:13:31.420 brief interlude provided persia with its rulers until 1925 so that those are like the two main

02:13:39.320 fronts and then it makes a point in the book that um 1984 marked the death of the last descendant

02:13:48.600 the last provable descendant of genghis khan the last descendant of genghis khan died in 1984

02:13:55.840 as a chinese bureaucrat and he was known at the time to be that but that was kind of like

02:14:01.640 that's it that's where that's kind of where it ends up mongols about how they they

02:14:07.280 and i'm fascinated with the story of these sorts of tribes and this happens across the world these

02:14:14.900 tribes they're united by one enigmatic powerful you know power hungry ambitious figure who decides

02:14:23.560 to like actually unite them for the better but the process by which they end up dissolving away

02:14:29.540 afterwards has always been of interest to me and event and how they uniquely adapt into these other

02:14:36.820 religious systems and then even in the modern day like what do we see we see a revival of the sort

02:14:43.500 of mongolian identity but like can you worship conquest itself can you worship like an ancient

02:14:50.000 army and i see that a lot with you know those of us who worship this idea of like martial conquest

02:14:57.800 like remember when we conquered the world i'm like i do but you never hear the story about what

02:15:03.940 happens after they conquer the world because you always hear about the mongols these other groups

02:15:08.060 like yeah look how much shit they took over i'm like yeah but what actually happened after

02:15:12.340 were they defeated not really they were as bane would say victory has defeated you right

02:15:21.160 especially since you want everything but you have no plan for what happens afterwards and this is

02:15:27.220 what we were talking about earlier right you get everything you want and then almost immediately

02:15:32.860 collapses into infighting or you become magnetized to the next enigmatic force which is usually some

02:15:40.740 other religion or identity because it turns out that that identity wasn't terribly strong to begin

02:15:47.900 with now what do you think of all that i was kind of all over the place there but you know it's it

02:15:54.380 is remarkable because like i said the mongol empire really wasn't active for that long and it

02:16:02.680 really and we like to we almost like to mythologize them now and it's i'm not saying they had no

02:16:07.700 impact but it seems that those entities that are defeated by their own victory yeah yeah it's i

02:16:17.080 think the one angle is it's dudes rocking like it's cool to see too cool to see what dudes can do

02:16:24.240 frankly somewhat disorganized not really any goals but like to go in all directions and shut

02:16:31.600 down all those empires at once but then the cautionary tale part of it like you're saying is

02:16:36.360 i mean you you you get what you pay for you know so if you're just saying it's conquest for

02:16:41.420 conquest sake sure but your your lifetime i mean the not lifetime like the lifespan of of the empire

02:16:49.320 is essentially the lifetime of that commander because after that i mean your culture your

02:16:55.860 religion your language none of that apparently mattered to you and because that wasn't part of

02:17:01.460 your identity and part of your goal you kind of just fizzled like you dissolve and it seems like

02:17:06.340 nobody had a problem with that like they were cool with it but i mean that's very different from

02:17:10.900 from where we're at yeah and so just here's a great uh little part here alton khan was responsible

02:17:18.300 for a momentous innovation the reintroduction of tibetan buddhism buddhism appears to have died

02:17:24.580 out among the mongols after the fall of the yuan dynasty and shamanism recovered its old position

02:17:30.020 But now, growing dissatisfaction was making itself felt with the barbaric nations of shamanism, its bloody sacrifices, its primitive cosmology, its unattractive revelations of the world beyond, its complete lack of organization, which made it useless as an instrument of political power and did not provide the careers and dignities offered by a hierarchical church.

02:17:54.980 the buddhism which was now to become a religion of mongolia was reformed variety of lemayism

02:18:02.200 promoted by what is known in the west as the yellow hat sect it soon transpired to general

02:18:08.660 satisfaction that altan was a reincarnation of kiblai and the guy we talked about before

02:18:14.860 so he basically brought back buddhism and you know that might have been a bit of editorializing in

02:18:21.280 the quote there but it seemed interesting that there were rumbling as the mongols were exposed

02:18:27.620 to these other hierarchies other cultures and other forms they weren't able to maintain their

02:18:34.320 sovereignty without being being pulled into the orbit of these other entities and that's really

02:18:40.140 what i found most interesting about the mongols other than their capabilities for warfare and

02:18:46.160 china realizing that the only way to defeat the mongols was the mongols themselves you know but

02:18:52.280 um yeah one does wonder it's like would you have even been able to would you have even been able

02:18:58.460 to conquer the world because when you increase in size you necessarily you necessarily increase

02:19:04.640 in complexity and that was the story of the hordes like the golden horde was just one horde

02:19:09.500 it for russia and persia and then it fell by different means than the other horde but you

02:19:14.940 cannot actually keep one you don't have the mechanisms to keep one horde you only have a

02:19:20.000 bunch of loosely affiliated hordes that just that just fly away from its own inertia anyway i'm just

02:19:27.020 repeating myself now all right i've kept you long enough i'll let you go that's the mongols everybody

02:19:32.720 we done it we mongled i'll talk to you later thanks buddy see you

02:19:37.600 we are here with the great uber boyo i a prolific content creator um and for people

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02:20:16.800 always uploading content so if you like what you hear on this interview go straight over there

02:20:22.900 and uberboy thank you so much for taking the time today not at all my man thank you very much for

02:20:28.180 having me on and um yeah i guess take the lead there and we'll dive in now there's a lot we could

02:20:34.220 talk about i have a few key points based on some of your videos that i'm a great admirer of um and

02:20:40.460 your two areas of focus and correct me if i'm wrong here would be uh frederick nietzsche and

02:20:46.920 carl jung uh was that correct or am i way off no that's absolutely correct but i guess it's not um

02:20:53.320 the full picture because this is more just algorithm dominance you know like i would talk

02:20:58.040 about a lot of things and then when something takes on i begin to drill down on it so young

02:21:01.800 took off first actually and then nietzsche took off recently and so i've been talking about an

02:21:05.920 awful lot of nietzsche recently but um and i do absolutely love these dudes and i think their

02:21:10.280 perspectives on the world are very very helpful for and uh sort of grounding for many of the

02:21:15.000 things i'm trying to assert but generally speaking i'm um very much interested in i guess maybe the

02:21:21.780 best way to go into would be to go into my story i'll try present it this way but um i was uh i

02:21:28.020 was in college when i was younger like we all do i ended up in the education system and i was

02:21:31.720 getting taught i did literate literate arts like liberal arts and i was doing literature and music

02:21:37.160 and all this stuff and i was getting educated uh about by carol marx critical theory derrida

02:21:43.020 stuff like this and there was an awful lot of like very heady academies going on with this

02:21:48.480 lots of like really overly complicated academic language talking about the western canon as this

02:21:55.020 evil thing this phalogocentric thing that we must destroy and none of these things are we must

02:21:59.460 critique and learn to understand why it's wrong and why it's fascist and all these type of things

02:22:02.820 and i didn't understand any of this stuff back then i didn't understand any of the conceptualizations

02:22:06.640 i wasn't like um launching any intellectual challenge against this but i really didn't

02:22:11.440 like what was happening because i didn't there's something intuitive in me that was telling me that

02:22:15.900 this is not this is not good this is not a good vibe because they're here they're here bitching

02:22:20.320 about the western canon and i remember i chose literature in college because i wanted to write

02:22:25.520 great books and create great art and do these type of things i want to participate in the project of

02:22:30.260 creating great culture i always loved shakespeare and i was very good at writing and i was very good

02:22:34.760 at speech and all this when i was younger and i always i just have that type of mind you know

02:22:38.760 and so i got into the education system because i actually wanted to go in and get trained like the

02:22:43.520 way you think of a ufc fighter would go into a gym and he'd get he'd get shaped into a beast you

02:22:49.040 know and the more i've thought about this the more i'm like jesus man like my the simple way i was

02:22:53.520 thinking was actually so accurate like that's what education should be the education should be

02:22:57.700 about manifesting your potential and i was like quite a sensitive young man with um with like a

02:23:03.420 lot of potential you know and i like if someone just caught me at that age and cultivated me

02:23:08.820 could have turned me into an absolute beast and if i was born maybe in the 19th century

02:23:12.080 and got under the mentorship of like a competent poet

02:23:15.800 or I don't know, musician or something.

02:23:18.060 God knows what could have happened to me.

02:23:20.480 But I remember-

02:23:21.380 I wonder, is your, what you're doing right now

02:23:23.820 with your videos and your advocacy,

02:23:25.820 are you trying to be what a young version of you

02:23:28.780 might've been seeking out at that time?

02:23:30.740 I'm not sure.

02:23:31.700 I'll kind of get into this at the moment

02:23:33.540 because in some sense,

02:23:34.260 I'm a little bit just complaining

02:23:35.420 about the nature of the world

02:23:36.420 and it's something I actually try to avoid doing.

02:23:38.720 But because I think a young dude at my age

02:23:41.460 does not need information like i can provide i'll kind of get into it now in a second because of

02:23:46.120 course i was sitting there and i was like looking around and i was saying to myself all right this

02:23:49.580 isn't right they're talking to me judith butler's talking to me that nor like heteronormative people

02:23:54.000 um are evil and you know the gender role theory comes from judith butler and all this stuff i

02:23:58.480 don't need to learn this stuff i need to fulfill my potential i need to become educated and shaped

02:24:02.180 into something great i need to do this so i actually dropped out i said i'm done with academics

02:24:06.800 and then i dropped out and i went and i took all my cash and i spent it on skills i sort of

02:24:12.720 formulated a simplistic idea in my head that theory is useless and skills are everything

02:24:16.860 so like don't be sitting around reading your books and all this and go and try to get some

02:24:21.180 skills so i joined a boxing gym joined a kickboxing gym muay thai gym i joined a i found a poet to

02:24:26.440 teach me how to write poetry i found a singer an opera singer i found a jazz singer i found a

02:24:31.240 um jazz musician to teach me musicality all this type of stuff so i was going to all these guys

02:24:37.040 with my like 40 euro a month dedicated to it and i was paying one of them maybe a week and getting

02:24:41.500 like four lessons off all of them and doing this type of thing where i was creating my own

02:24:45.920 sort of bio education if you want to want to put it this way now i don't think it was well done it

02:24:50.520 was definitely not a good pedagogy and good curriculum but it was very good instincts i

02:24:54.580 really thought i was i was correct in going after like skills and stuff like this and so over the

02:24:59.820 years like a part of this was me reading Nietzsche and Jung alongside this because these are what I

02:25:03.860 noticed is that these these are guys that talk about the fulfillment of human potential so I

02:25:08.120 noticed that I stopped I stopped allowing myself to read stuff that was not obsessed with this

02:25:13.040 idea of excellence and human potential and stuff like this and succeeding and making the most out

02:25:17.420 of yourself and you know the heroic journey and all this so I got very much into like Joseph

02:25:20.980 Campbell, Carl Jung and Nietzsche these these are very suitable for this they have this feeling

02:25:25.060 inside of the way that they talk that is trying to inspire that energy in you they're they're

02:25:29.580 great for like creators and poets and people like this so i i was really attached to these guys as

02:25:34.100 a consequence and then i guess um over the years i obviously started to talk about it on youtube and

02:25:39.580 i started to talk about what that stuff means to me and why this stuff is important i really think

02:25:43.680 that if a young person in the education system wants to succeed and skills skills have to be

02:25:48.980 superordinate then that's just not in the education system at all which is a disaster it's basically

02:25:52.700 like it's just brainwashing camp at this point a theory cell production camp if you want to put it

02:25:57.040 this way but um that was really my big thing was was um kind of that frame of thinking that

02:26:02.800 psychological space and it covers a lot of different things but i think that's sort of

02:26:06.520 the root of what i was up to and basically as i got older and people like jordan peterson come

02:26:11.020 along and then maybe more extreme people will come along and i'd listen to them they would

02:26:15.640 basically explain that like you know the education system is a communist scam basically i was like oh

02:26:20.180 my god yeah actually it is and they these people don't want your potential because not not only

02:26:24.440 are they idiots but they actively don't want to see you become creative because that's antagonistic

02:26:29.200 to what they want and then finally like some things that people pointed out even more recently

02:26:33.640 that i think is actually very true is that um if you're western european male your creative

02:26:39.140 potential and your culture is just like you're just not supposed to have a voice like you're

02:26:43.260 just not useful to this society right now they do just they just want you to shut the fuck up

02:26:47.280 and pay taxes and do shitty jobs so that they can make you know they can take um lord of the rings

02:26:52.340 and make it a diversity cast and all this stuff and so maybe i got a bit jaded then at that point

02:26:57.060 when i saw that but i think that kind of broadly covers the the the general trust then of what i'm

02:27:03.560 at it's like all right what do we do in this situation where we've got a load of young men

02:27:07.260 and highly creative young men and like a highly demoralized people and who want to start creating

02:27:13.920 culture that is excellent instead of being resentful little fucks how do we actually go

02:27:17.560 about doing this stuff how do you like overcome the miasma of the modern nihilism and all these

02:27:21.240 type of things and it all oscillates around that set of ideas so there's a little bit all over the

02:27:25.320 place but um there's a there's a coherency there i'm sure you're following well that's a very

02:27:29.380 fascinating story and i have one question based on that now what i found in the university slash

02:27:36.080 college slash academic uh sphere is that it's reached a point where it's more about consensus

02:27:41.940 building some people call that the long house or whatever and your your frame of mind your frame

02:27:48.220 of reference is more about striking out in the unknown, a bit more ambitious. And I wonder,

02:27:54.000 and you can tell me I'm full of shit for this, but I wonder, because you've already established

02:27:59.040 yourself as an ambitious guy, maybe that comes from somewhere else, that comes from somewhere

02:28:02.980 within you. You didn't learn that, you just are that, right? So maybe the worldview that you're

02:28:08.620 pursuing, like perhaps with Nietzsche, and we'll get into that in a second, is that only really

02:28:13.480 applicable to a select few of people meaning that not everyone in the world can be ambitious not

02:28:19.560 everyone can be maybe aristocratic or whatever so do you think there's for you trying to reach

02:28:25.160 out to young men do you think there's some men that just can't for whatever reason or they're

02:28:30.200 not ready to hear this sort of thing yeah um so there's two things i want to say about this let

02:28:35.140 me actually write them down so i don't forget them because i am prone to my rants so you i'll get

02:28:39.060 lost dude i've i've on on record gone on tangents i'm millennial recently i got caught on a tangent

02:28:45.640 and had to be like i don't know what the fuck i'm saying now

02:28:48.260 yeah absolutely so you're saying to me is is it a instance where um oh yeah and then um

02:28:54.460 education or mass retention okay so the first thing i'd say this is more just a caveat to what

02:29:03.460 you're what you're you're asking which is a really good question but i think this is an

02:29:07.100 important caveat and this is a very Nietzschean idea um it's worth sacrificing the the average to

02:29:12.760 the the excellent always like there's a broad rule is that you know most people maybe aren't

02:29:18.740 ambitious although I don't think that's necessarily true but let's go with this idea that most people

02:29:22.440 aren't ambitious and all this type of stuff is like what the fuck are they doing in an institution

02:29:25.920 designed to pull out your potential if you're not ambitious like come on like what what is the

02:29:29.920 situation there like if the education system is to mean anything it's supposed to harvest the

02:29:34.520 talented people and get the absolute maximum out of them so that they can go into positions of

02:29:39.100 creativity and leadership in society you know like one elon musk is worth a million people who are

02:29:44.060 just lazy like it's it's just this type of the idea that the exceptions basically justify maybe

02:29:50.860 all of existence it's great man theory i guess in some sense and the problem the actual foundational

02:29:55.780 problem with our um many of our institutions is this uh equality over excellence when it should

02:30:01.820 be the other way around excellence over equality value system but we have an equality over excellence

02:30:05.700 value system where we think about the the meme the bulk first and we say like all right now

02:30:11.360 everybody just wants sort of a house and a picket fence and and they want to be left alone and all

02:30:16.220 this type of stuff and it's like well look i don't think these people then should we don't we

02:30:19.500 shouldn't build institutions necessarily focusing these people or more importantly we shouldn't

02:30:23.560 build institutions that sacrifice the excellent to the focus of that that's one thing the second

02:30:29.020 thing i'd say is also sort of derivative of this is based on this idea of like what is the purpose

02:30:34.500 of education like mass education now is a disaster in understanding its its origin and first principle

02:30:41.340 like the way the greeks would educate is the education was you know reserved only it's like

02:30:47.100 the gym education and the gym was reserved only for the elite the slaves could not train in the

02:30:51.900 gym slaves could not get educated either education was designed to give the spartan sons an advantage

02:30:58.200 over the helots it was designed to make you better than everybody else education is designed

02:31:02.620 to make you incredible make you brilliant make you powerful education is designed to get the

02:31:06.600 most out of you and if you have a tribe of greeks and athens or sparta using education as a weapon

02:31:12.740 in order to make their sons more powerful than everybody else's sons that's the correct way to

02:31:16.460 use education you're supposed to be ambitious with these things you're supposed to aim high

02:31:20.140 with it as a consequence instead our one is like our education has sort of turned into drivel in

02:31:24.820 many ways and then what's interesting psychologically about this is that an education designed for the

02:31:30.120 excellent and the design for the few would probably be more successful for the mass of

02:31:35.880 like it would awaken an awful lot of the many i'd say about like 60 percent of people will probably

02:31:40.600 get caught up in that and maybe they won't be able to um be the next elon musk but they would

02:31:46.140 actually certainly be able to participate in his projects because they have been taught to um

02:31:51.660 understand his value and understand how to make themselves fit within the plans of a great person

02:31:56.120 and you'll notice that all great people like alexander the great did not do it by themselves

02:31:59.560 they had massive armies of organized people who are following along with them and so this is

02:32:03.460 another sort of frame with this which i think is so important and the last thing it's well maybe

02:32:07.600 i'll leave it there because you probably have some thoughts and then i'll oh no that's exactly what i

02:32:11.420 wanted to know and um you know you got me this wasn't one of the questions i was going to ask

02:32:17.200 but you got me thinking about it. And I suppose, first of all, to that point, last point you just

02:32:23.000 made, arguably, that is what education used to be until maybe a couple of generations ago. And

02:32:28.720 the relationship of regular people and what we might call great men was closer to this,

02:32:34.180 even in America, up until like, what, 60s, 70s, maybe. So this wouldn't be an unfamiliar

02:32:41.240 familiar set up to people. But, you know, it does make me think there's something I've been

02:32:47.500 thinking about recently, and I want to see what you think about it. So in the dissident right,

02:32:53.040 broadly right now, there's a lot of discussion about sort of populism versus what we might call

02:32:58.580 an aristocratic way of thinking. And based on, you know, the vitality and virility of the types of,

02:33:05.680 you know momentum they're talking about when people talk about elites oftentimes they think

02:33:11.440 people who are born into elites like a nobility or a sort of hereditary elite which is kind of

02:33:17.720 what they have right now in america in a lot of ways but do you think it's do you think it's

02:33:22.340 better i'll put it shortly do you think it's better to become an elite from the bottom like

02:33:27.220 rising up from the bottom or do you think it's better to kind of be a hereditary elite at the

02:33:32.200 top and this sounds like a kind of a weird question but it's kind of like populism versus

02:33:37.280 elite stuff and you know the idea we always have these stories about someone reaching elite status

02:33:41.880 coming up as a soldier and rising up the ranks do you think that's the ideal way to become an elite

02:33:48.360 or should you come from an elite family yeah like you know off the bat i'm gonna say this is a bit

02:33:54.700 of a false dichotomy or byrony i know like i'm not trying to be rude i know no no it's fine

02:33:59.080 but um like you know it's it's great to be a hereditary elite there's so many benefits to

02:34:05.940 come with that it's absolutely fantastic and there's many fascinating uh theorists i've come

02:34:10.840 across over the years who've sort of explained why uh rittenhouse clergy who's very famous for

02:34:15.480 the clergy plan as everybody talks about him he's actually very smart dude i've read his book a

02:34:19.240 couple of times and i find him very fascinating he is sort of behind this whole mass immigration

02:34:23.560 project to europe but nonetheless he's not an idiot like he's actually very dynamic and interesting

02:34:27.700 we actually talked about him last interview i had with a gentleman by the name of zoltanus he went

02:34:32.540 into the life story of kalergi which most people don't know you know yeah i mean even the way he

02:34:38.620 thinks is he's very very smart you know and one thing he talks about is um is politics and he

02:34:44.500 talks about the sort of like the upper caste or you could say the aristocracy or the embedded

02:34:49.380 elite and he he talks about how they have a feel for politics that um that most people don't have

02:34:55.080 And what do we mean by this? Well, it's like, you know, politics is like business. It's done on the golf course type idea. And so these these high level elites, these well-bred hereditary families, they know they have networks. They have like friends of friends. They have blood relatives. They know the handshakes. They have like a cultural style about them.

02:35:13.920 And so it's much easier for them to do big politics and for them to to run organizations.

02:35:18.940 And they also kind of like float in the background of many political institutions.

02:35:22.380 And so, you know, when Trump comes to power and there's this load of like suits in the in the deep state, as they say, that are probably running the story.

02:35:31.120 And they might be they're nearly like hereditary positions probably at this point or long term positions and all this.

02:35:35.700 So this type of stuff is like there's great advantages to being an elite and there's great value in it.

02:35:39.960 There's skills that they have that you just can't get if you're some type of populist, ruckus rouser and all this type of stuff.

02:35:47.400 And on the flip side, well, and another thing as well as Nietzsche's idea that everything beautiful is inherited.

02:35:53.740 Like you can't, rags to riches story is a beginning.

02:35:56.820 And then, you know, it's a question of like, what do you do with your sons and your grandsons?

02:36:00.060 That's where you turn it into something magnificent.

02:36:02.520 So like a beginner, a creator is always the start.

02:36:07.140 a kind of very common version of this would be somebody like Andrew Tate that I know enough

02:36:11.400 a lot of people don't like him but it's very interesting how he's got that new money instinct

02:36:15.780 inside of him and if you think about his like son what would his son be able to do maybe project

02:36:21.100 into the realm of politics whereas um like you know Tate doesn't really have that option for

02:36:25.920 himself because he's just a sort of like rags to riches story he he has a very specific life path

02:36:31.660 he has to be this sort of savage crude monster and and like he's a guy who came from the ghetto

02:36:36.880 and is going to go up to the top and then maybe his children will be much more refined and be

02:36:40.660 able to present themselves much more intelligently in terms of propaganda so they won't get like

02:36:45.360 you know banned off the internet and all these type of things and this this style of thinking

02:36:48.840 it kind of gives you a way of understanding what's going on here the difference between

02:36:52.700 like sophistication and beginning on the ground but then the advantages of populism is unbelievable

02:36:58.160 like you know it's it's very uh it really like when it comes down to any individual it's a question

02:37:02.620 of what is your goal is your goal high is your goal worthy and if it is use any tool available

02:37:08.240 to you and if you find yourself that you're some like you know lowly ruckus lowly lowly member of

02:37:13.320 the rabble but you've got talent and you're able to rise rouse people up and you you can use the

02:37:18.440 popular in order to do this there's nothing wrong with that like trump utilizing the popular spirit

02:37:22.840 of america against the entrenched deep state is not a bad thing it's him being politically creative

02:37:27.840 same with Mussolini same with whoever you want to call it and um like there's nothing necessarily

02:37:33.720 wrong with that Julius Caesar's did the same thing Julius Caesar was an elite but he utilized the

02:37:39.200 the populist in order to gain favor and then you know secured an army and then used it to take over

02:37:44.420 Rome these are all these are all perfectly you know the perfectly reasonable plays in the realm

02:37:48.600 of uh of um enacting yourself in the in the world of infinite possibilities I guess yeah I have a

02:37:54.480 deep fascination with sort of rags to riches stories and like you had said what happens then

02:38:00.060 you're listening to the you know one example i had recently this might be lost on many of our

02:38:05.540 listeners but i was listening to the autobiography of 50 cent and you know he was talking about his

02:38:11.540 son marquise and he he goes pretty deep into his thoughts by saying like i didn't want my son to

02:38:17.740 go through what i went through but i actually don't understand what he's going through because

02:38:22.360 i don't know what it's like to have 50 cent as a father so you got this sort of rags to riches

02:38:26.580 thuggish guy and he's entered a new stratosphere and the only way he can exist as as a family man

02:38:33.020 is to like control this new entity called his son who's wanted for nothing who's been exposed

02:38:38.980 to arguably living in a fucking 18 bedroom mansion owned by mike dyson right he doesn't

02:38:44.480 know what to do with that his son kind of turned against him that's the real drama of that story

02:38:48.960 but and oddly enough turned against him because of the influence of the mother figure that's kind

02:38:54.220 of like a bit of drama there but that's something like the the evolution of how you become a noble

02:38:59.640 family has been some point of interest for me and in the 21st century as well yeah that's see it's

02:39:07.320 a fascinating question because again it comes back to that idea that like you know the long-term

02:39:13.280 organizational sophistication that Nietzsche would be talking like that's so difficult to pull off

02:39:18.060 you know like even it's hard enough to go rags to riches basically no one pulls it off but then

02:39:23.560 the next question as like stabilizing that transgenerationally it's like bro you're just

02:39:29.080 out of this world you know i actually love the rothschilds and i'm probably going to get

02:39:33.620 media clipped for that but i love the he's saying he loves the rothschilds you can't get in trouble

02:39:39.240 for that i might get media clipped by the boys that might be the problem um i i love the rothschilds

02:39:47.360 because their story is actually so much like this they they were very like effective organizers

02:39:51.420 because they had a the kind of progenitor father and he was like you know he was obviously understood

02:39:56.180 that it's like if we were able to get into uh financial positions around all the royal thrones

02:40:01.140 and be like court jews for all the royal thrones we could actually do some serious damage here

02:40:05.140 and he kind of begins this age of um international finance and they're learning from like the

02:40:09.540 renaissance italians and stuff like this and so he sets up his sons in all the different parts of

02:40:14.720 europe and they set up this this european hegemony over over like high finance and then of course

02:40:20.760 like england napoleon france all this type of stuff like great opportunities are taken advantage

02:40:25.940 of correctly and they end up just like basically putting themselves on top of the world the richest

02:40:30.440 family in the world financing the british empire doing incredibly well for themselves and it's so

02:40:35.200 funny like because i remember looking into it and it was even for them it's so hard for them to stop

02:40:41.680 entropy seeping in so what happens is they have like uh you know they have a lot of children

02:40:46.060 and one of them decides to be an artist and then they get like a girl and she wants to buy a load

02:40:50.320 of paintings and it's just like the stupidest waste of money ever and then they get some son

02:40:54.360 and he's into the finance stuff but he's not that good he's more like the conscientious son but not

02:40:58.140 the genius like his maybe his great-grandfather was or something like this and eventually things

02:41:02.800 start to buckle you know and then one of the banks in france i think fails for example just

02:41:06.320 on its own lack of merit and whatnot and it's an astounding thing to think that like the century

02:41:10.060 beforehand they were ruling the world and then by the 1960s they're sort of like it's just diluted

02:41:15.420 and then the inheritance is kind of like split up and all these type of things and it's just really

02:41:19.460 hard to keep can contain that um entropy and i don't know maybe they're running things behind

02:41:24.240 the the scenes with a more more stylish way that i can't see but you see this problem yeah i think

02:41:30.280 that's a common enough story though that the after a few generations and the best marker of that is

02:41:35.520 going with the rothschilds there is one i don't know someone's cousin or a daughter but she

02:41:41.940 cheated on her husband again well-off jewish guy cheated on her husband and shacked up with

02:41:48.360 jay electronica who is like a nation of islam black american rapper who has it doesn't release

02:41:55.740 albums so he's sitting around stone and playing video games all day in like the rothschild penthouse

02:42:01.100 in london or new york or something i'm like that's not a good sign of health right yeah yeah it's

02:42:06.840 yeah this is this is it this is it and it's it's a really interesting question and so um like that's

02:42:13.120 the elite you're dealing with and then you have like like i guess this kind of comes down to the

02:42:17.900 educate to try to bring it full circle in some fucking possible way and this this mess is is

02:42:24.320 really really hard to manage this entropy is really really hard to manage and the kind of

02:42:27.900 purpose of education initially was an elite institution to make sure that this was controlled

02:42:33.180 for as much as possible like that's really what they're trying to do is is resist entropy as much

02:42:37.460 as they can through education like the whole purpose of education was almost like a eugenically

02:42:42.520 imposing stress upon a comfortable spartan king a comfortable spartan prince he would get booted

02:42:48.640 out into the wilderness you know or like the athenians would have him in the gym training

02:42:52.740 and wrestling and whatnot and so they're trying to institute first of all a culture around him

02:42:57.440 They're really tightly trying to control that culture because like, why did that Rothschild shack up with some black rapper? It's because the Rothschilds weren't able to inoculate their daughters against like, you know, liberal ideals, I guess you could say, or liberal global hegemony of culture.

02:43:12.380 and so the purpose of education for in the in the earliest sense was to try solve this problem by

02:43:17.640 instantiating good culture and getting together like just making strong people and that's really

02:43:23.380 kind of its purpose and i i think this is what's so annoying for for what was so annoying for me

02:43:28.500 is that i grow up and i go into the education system and like i'm not part of a good culture

02:43:33.640 it's not something that's going to fulfill my potential it's not going to lead to me changing

02:43:36.640 my situation and it becomes an absolute pain you know i'm sort of like have to go my own way and

02:43:40.820 figure it out by myself and well i think a lot of people are going through what you went through

02:43:44.500 because in one hand the nature and the value of our elites and our aristocrats whatever we want

02:43:50.440 to call them has changed of course over centuries but then also um this is something i know edward

02:43:56.420 dutton has speak spoken about about how the legitimacy of academia itself has begun to fall

02:44:02.380 and we may enter into a paradigm where the truly intellectually ambitious people

02:44:09.540 no longer identify academia as a way to do what you wanted to do which is explore the unknown it

02:44:15.760 will just be for sheer credentialism which is a very shallow and hollow way of looking at status

02:44:22.700 and that they're they're cut you're just in the wilderness because you know first of all again we

02:44:27.280 can talk the race angle of like oh white men can't get into university and college i'm like that's

02:44:31.480 true where are they going because they still want these skills they still want this knowledge

02:44:36.580 they're kind of figure doing what you did and figuring it out on their own i think there's a

02:44:40.940 real you know vitality and a poetry to that in a way yeah and that's actually a fascinating thing

02:44:46.900 because i think that spirit that like of the you know the the wandering white man trying to figure

02:44:52.640 out his way to the modern world that spirit is much closer to the energy of early science as

02:44:57.380 well because it was sort of a gentleman's club of dudes shit posting on you know their version

02:45:02.720 of the internet which was the the the men of letters you know circling around the the lettered

02:45:07.140 writings of of all these scientists and whatnot that's that's you know like literate europe was

02:45:11.220 actually a bit like you know twitter where they were all passing their books among each other

02:45:15.220 such a funny different time but that's that was a very private conversation it wasn't as public as

02:45:21.340 as as as maybe information is now and it was siloed off among all the people who could read

02:45:27.040 and maybe you understood the context of science and whatnot and then in the 20th century that

02:45:32.640 like the mass man really rose up and everything began to shift in a different direction and

02:45:37.000 science became formalized as like this peer review groupthink type thing you know like just

02:45:42.540 the complete anti the anti-spirit the scientific genius you know completely shows up and then it

02:45:48.480 accumulates in essentially what we have now which is the credentialism which is the just again just

02:45:55.140 the complete opposite of the spirit of science basically and a lot of these guys were spending

02:45:59.780 all their time complaining about the church having been arrogant enough to present itself

02:46:03.760 as an authority in reality and they were trying to come up with ways that they could figure out

02:46:07.160 reality like basically look for god without the church without without an authority between them

02:46:12.500 and um and look at us now you know we've got we've got this nonsense but of course that's

02:46:16.540 what's going to happen like these institutions as idiotic as it is are going to be given up

02:46:21.880 most of the talent would leave them they'll start to create sort of alternate institutions which is

02:46:26.540 already basically forming in the internet um but i don't think they'll be directed in the same

02:46:30.980 pursuit for knowledge because that can't happen in its pure sense anymore instead um i think an

02:46:35.300 awful lot of the problem is going to be a pursuit of power and a pursuit of institutional power

02:46:39.500 because that's just fundamentally the issue we have right now and i i'm just not sure like science

02:46:43.640 can be done at the moment and the way things are to relate this back to nietzsche and first of all

02:46:49.160 i have a couple of questions one and this to give a bit of a preamble here i read nietzsche when i

02:46:55.880 was in high school and i don't think my mind was developed enough to really understand nietzsche

02:47:01.780 but i have um the antichrist i have thus above zarathustra i have beyond good and evil and i

02:47:08.460 the twilight of the idols i think that's like four sticks of dynamite right there exactly and i need

02:47:14.960 to return to them as an adult because i know i i can really see more but with that having been said

02:47:22.360 first of all is it nietzsche or nietzsche because i don't want to sound like an ass here

02:47:27.840 you're good i think the americans tend to call him nietzsche and i like i like nietzsche because

02:47:33.720 you can rhyme more stuff with it naughty nasty screechy nietzsche so that's that's what i love

02:47:38.160 love calling him and you do that because you also do music as well i don't know if you want to talk

02:47:42.840 about that but oh maybe we could go into that yeah i just wanted so people know this is a good

02:47:47.220 rhyming mind right here there you go that's this of rapper rapper rapper step looking to get my

02:47:52.060 Rothschild's girlfriend by my rapping skills um i wanted to also ask so what we were talking about

02:47:59.300 just before um and i preamble by saying i know a lot of nietzsche's ideas but obviously i don't

02:48:05.040 have as in-depth of a knowledge as you do so you you can make you can make fun of me as much as you

02:48:09.800 want for getting things wrong but for what we are talking about would that be related to the

02:48:14.780 slave versus master mentality and if you'd like to sort of unpack that for us no not particularly

02:48:21.960 no like uh maybe a little bit but not really i guess the way you could you could frame it is um

02:48:27.620 well all right first of all nietzsche is actually the correct way to pronounce it if you're going

02:48:33.100 to go with german by the way i'll just put that down but nietzsche is fine everybody says it i

02:48:36.740 don't think it's a big deal i never really get caught up in those type of things um with the

02:48:40.880 master and slave thing i think the most important thing to understand about that is the it's a

02:48:46.360 psychological mechanism i actually think if nietzsche could have been the foundation of modern

02:48:52.100 psychology instead of freud it would have been such a benefit to western civilization because

02:48:57.000 um nietzsche's describing a problem that we get when between being a winner and being a loser so

02:49:03.740 when you're a winner a master basically your experience of life is very um you could call it

02:49:10.700 natural but it's very interesting what that means in terms of how you relate to your emotions your

02:49:16.040 soul is the source of your emotions you know the the chthonic energies moving through your body

02:49:20.200 so how how do we how do we make decisions how do we do things in the world well i go walk down the

02:49:25.380 street and i see a beautiful girl and i feel inside of me this this urge this lust inside of

02:49:30.200 and i want to go and i want to be with her now what nature is trying to do there is getting me

02:49:34.460 to procreate so that i can create you know the next generation of of steps so we can try take

02:49:39.240 on the Rothschilds or whatever it is but um what happens with this is that if i'm a handsome winner

02:49:45.940 you know if i'm big tall strong blue-eyed tanned seven foot tall or something like that whatever

02:49:51.500 it is i find it very easy to go up to talk to that girl and then she's going to be like very

02:49:56.240 receptive to me because I'm absolutely gorgeous and then I'm going to be able to breed with her

02:50:00.260 you know I'm going to be able to make love with her and then the experience that I have is that

02:50:03.360 I feel an urge I go up and talk to the girl the girl is completely compliant and then I get to

02:50:08.160 release that urge basically as an orgasm and then I get to breed and then I create a kid and then

02:50:12.480 it's like absolutely fantastic and so my experience of life is actually like very natural there's very

02:50:18.140 little restriction it's urge and then rewarded with pleasure at the end of it and I get rewarded

02:50:23.100 with pleasure i get rewarded with higher testosterone a better sense of myself all

02:50:26.540 these types of things so the master's experience is one of like infinite winning if you want to

02:50:30.880 put it this way now the slave or the failure the loser is much much much different but on only one

02:50:38.060 really key point the the loser might be walking down the street and he sees the beautiful girl

02:50:43.120 but he can't have her because he's not good enough he's maybe got a chin he's a chin cell

02:50:47.720 he's got a pencil neck whatever it is he's not he's not as pretty and so when he goes and he

02:50:52.500 tries to talk to the girl he um he experiences rejection you know the girl like pukes on the

02:50:58.140 floor she like spits at him or she slaps him in the face or whatever she just like throws her nose

02:51:02.100 up and she walks on and he doesn't get to to be with her he doesn't get to be inside her he doesn't

02:51:07.280 get to orgasm any of these type of things and so he gets no pleasure in fact what happens is that

02:51:11.800 energy that he felt does not go away it stays stuck inside of him and it cannot be released

02:51:16.480 and this becomes a very big issue so he has this big wealth of desire and it gets castrated or it

02:51:22.720 gets frustrated it gets stuck inside of his body and now he has to do something with this and this

02:51:27.600 is a very very big problem so what he has to do is kind of decide for himself like where am i going

02:51:34.740 to put this energy what's going to go on and he doesn't make this in any way a conscious choice

02:51:38.580 this usually happens very very unconsciously so the energy cannot be created or destroyed it must

02:51:42.920 be distorted so it might turn into frustration and he might like start punching the the mirror

02:51:47.480 punching the wall and screaming he might attack the girl he might go a little bit fucking crazy

02:51:51.160 and be like why don't you love me or something like this or he might um he might sit there in

02:51:55.360 depression it might turn into this horrible heavy energy and he'll sit there in his room depressed

02:51:59.620 and he'll get stuck in his mind and he'll say i'm terrible i'm evil and then he like might blow his

02:52:03.800 brains out or he might start to feel envy towards the the winner or something like this or he might

02:52:10.260 start to feel frustration and he might turn around to himself and say you know what i'm not going to

02:52:15.880 be a little fucking bitch here i'm going to be a hero and he might try to you know go hit the gym

02:52:19.680 or something like this and become something great whatever it is now this is really important

02:52:23.220 because in reaction to to failing the the the loser is transforming his situation is is is

02:52:31.280 being confronted with this need to make sense of this emotion to become emotionally intelligent

02:52:36.520 to be emotionally sophisticated he has to confront his passions in a much more different way

02:52:41.460 and learn how to express them in alternate ways and this sets this foundation for what the

02:52:46.200 difference between the master and the slave is is that the slave is usually more in his head

02:52:52.020 more deep more um perceptive more um more psychological whereas the master is much

02:52:58.220 more instinctive intuitively intelligent and beautiful and successful um and and sort of

02:53:04.200 righteous because everything he's like a lion you know everything he does just works because he's

02:53:07.980 he's brave and strong and handsome and there's an awful lot of fascinating psychological

02:53:14.140 consequences that come as a result of this for example the master is prone to being a little

02:53:18.380 bit naive a little bit kind of like unintellectual and the slave is prone to be very very crafty

02:53:24.440 very very um very inventive so the slave can come up with this idea of becoming he's like all right

02:53:29.880 the chad master is a football player the slave will be like right i can never be the football

02:53:34.540 player so what i'll do is i'll go or the loser sorry you can never he'll go and he'll he can

02:53:38.620 never be a football player so he'll go and become like a musician or a trumpet player or something

02:53:42.140 like this and then he'll woo the girl with poetry and fashion and style and this is very interesting

02:53:46.360 he's invented this whole new way of uh of presenting himself to the world that actually

02:53:51.160 won the girl and so he's actually quite creatively created this new style to take on the world that

02:53:57.560 actually is quite evolutionary intelligent it's quite psychologically powerful the slave is

02:54:02.880 craftier the slave can do all sorts of fascinating things and so and then another dynamic of this is

02:54:08.220 that the slave is usually resents the master he resents the the loser resents the winner so he

02:54:13.780 will look at chad and he'll be like i hate that guy i hate how he's so arrogant and he's so he's

02:54:18.060 so um impulsive and all these types of things and i hate how he just like thinks he's so cool because

02:54:23.560 of his muscles his muscles are just compensation for his fragile little ego and all this type of

02:54:27.760 stuff and so the slave will be prone to this type of bitterness and this type of resentment towards

02:54:31.640 the master and these types of relationships this psychological dynamic i think is is the root of

02:54:37.220 it the more you you dig into this and i can talk about it at length if you so wish and the more you

02:54:41.560 start to see the the genius what nietzsche was actually pointing out here well it's interesting

02:54:45.460 because you know as you're describing that there's certain images flashing before my eyes and the

02:54:50.500 last one that i landed on was you know the the difference between a monarchy and the french

02:54:56.640 revolution you know essentially they they they have very similar forms but one was coming from

02:55:02.140 a place of bitterness um and i'm going to kind of work with that and say that there's this one

02:55:07.680 phrase that i always keep thinking of and i'm going to try and relate it to this in a second

02:55:12.060 but it's uh the slave never dreams of being free the slave always dreams of being king

02:55:17.080 and within the french revolution you see something like that like the king the the master wants what

02:55:23.540 does he want he wants power he wants this he has a goal and that goal is might even be immaterial

02:55:29.120 but that's getting the woman but the slave has to always exist within the context of the king

02:55:35.720 and then when he becomes king what does he want to do he wants to punish he wants to destruct the

02:55:40.180 world so he's not even capable of having that power and he can never transcend it because

02:55:45.280 everything will just be almost a cruel parody of that thing he resents and so that's why i brought

02:55:52.300 the french revolution where it's like oh you know it's this great brilliant thing that rose up but

02:55:57.760 it's driven by that sort of what i would call a resentment of this monarchy and this aristocracy

02:56:05.180 as they saw and then what form did that take well just the reign of terror that is anything that i

02:56:10.100 just said makes sense no it's actually incredibly perceptive and i think um i'll kind of get into

02:56:16.040 the the framework that i understand what nietzsche was saying about with this because the master and

02:56:20.180 slave is is presented as a relationship between tribes now i like to try ground these things in

02:56:25.000 simple analogies so we can kind of think for them think about them from first principles so

02:56:28.880 i'm talking about the sort of psychosexual dynamic between a winner and a loser and it creates this

02:56:34.400 emotional relationship the psychological relationship of like you know naive master

02:56:38.100 who gets to express himself and aims for as you said like the the girl or power these very natural

02:56:43.380 goals you know these these these with a very good conscience he wants something that everybody says

02:56:48.280 is evil like powers like no he's like i want to win i want to conquer i want to take i want to

02:56:52.540 i want to create i want to build a future all these other things and the slave has this problem

02:56:57.580 where he can't have those things so he has to develop this fundamental resentment and he has to

02:57:01.080 come up with this creative way of like you know changing the world order whatever it is and as

02:57:05.340 you said the the chat is often the focus of his mind um and then how does this scale to groups

02:57:11.000 and this is where nietzsche begins to bring it in nietzsche's not really talking about like

02:57:14.220 you know american pie uh psychosocial relationships he's talking obviously about

02:57:20.160 groups he's talking about actually some some astounding things he discusses such as for

02:57:24.380 example christianity and rome and the jews and oh man it's just amazing but the french revolution

02:57:29.240 is a brilliant one i actually think this might be the most significant idea for western man

02:57:35.240 to understand like oh every single western person needs to digest this to the absolute shocking

02:57:41.160 depths of what it actually means because it is the single problem that we have dealing with the

02:57:45.680 resentment of the the the conquered i guess you could say or the the the other if you want to put

02:57:50.680 it this way yes when you have a conquering people a master race and we don't mean this in the you

02:57:56.740 know 20th century nazi way but we mean this in like the master races in the conquering race the

02:58:01.260 the person the leading race the romans were masters the russian monarchy were masters the

02:58:05.720 french were masters arguably the germans were never masters that's quite an intro or not masters

02:58:10.100 recently but then also before people get pissed off this is how the chinese essentially see

02:58:14.440 themselves as well you know interesting yeah there you go um these conquering people usually have

02:58:21.360 obviously a majority that they're ruling over the english ruling over the irish and the relationship

02:58:26.680 is always as you pointed out going to be resentment because the master this is even

02:58:31.000 more brutal than um than maybe the the the psychosexual dynamic this is literally like

02:58:36.200 all right the the slave wants stacy the slave wants power the slave wants the the girl and

02:58:42.500 the master is fucking her you know the master has her and in order for him to get the girl he has

02:58:47.760 to get rid of the master and the slave's experience is never going to be futuristic it's always going

02:58:52.800 to be like squarely aimed at the master as you said as the guy who's with the girl and so the

02:58:58.140 psychological relationship between the the king and the people is very dangerous because the people

02:59:04.460 bluntly and deeply resent him really intensely and he has to work very hard to win their favor

02:59:11.640 and often he can you know like quite a large amount of people usually like love kings and

02:59:15.260 stuff like this like the french very much love them but um there are these these emotions of

02:59:20.420 resentment that can be stirred up very very easily by a rival elite who want to get rid of the king

02:59:24.940 if you want to put it this way and um this resentment is shocking because it's it's full

02:59:31.360 of this like vengeful fantasies of attacking these there's see there's another dynamic to

02:59:36.680 this that's so interesting is how the the the conquered the slave is very conscious they always

02:59:44.480 remember this is related to another Nietzschean psychological idea such as the idea of where we

02:59:49.300 get happiness from so he has this phrase where he says blessed are the forgetful because they get

02:59:54.580 the better even of their mistakes and he points out consistently that happiness is related to

03:00:00.560 letting go is related to forgetting it's almost like some type of you know self-help shit

03:00:04.400 let go just let go let go and surrender to the moment but that really is what happiness is all

03:00:09.220 about that's what the highest experiences of pleasure are like it's forgetting it's giving

03:00:14.040 into the moment it's surrendering these types of things and so when you're a powerful conquering

03:00:18.400 master it's very easy for you to be happy because it's very easy for you to let go there's a large

03:00:22.360 amount of security around you also you're very instinctive you're not very intellectual so you're

03:00:26.560 very much in the moment naturally you're very powerful so you can relax an awful lot easier

03:00:31.020 you're full of energy full of power it's much easier for you to let go and be happy you've

03:00:35.420 conquered people and they are now serving you so you can you know make them do all the work and

03:00:39.380 you can laze around and be happy and and let go and all these type of things now this leads to

03:00:44.080 you being naive this leads to you getting a little bit out of touch you're definitely happy and

03:00:47.980 joyful but you become a little bit uh you know not fully in touch with the streets as they say

03:00:53.380 these days and the slaves are the opposite the experience of being a loser is trauma and trauma

03:01:00.620 is pain and pain is what creates consciousness if you experience pain you become aware of the

03:01:08.260 part of your body that was hurt if you stub your toe what happens all of a sudden your toe which

03:01:13.440 you have not thought about all fucking day becomes the center of your focus trauma is

03:01:18.640 consciousness trauma brings us to awareness these things are fundamentally tied and so the slave

03:01:25.220 remembers the slave cannot forget the slave cannot be happy because he is traumatized he is stuck

03:01:31.700 remembering he's like some guy who lost in a boxing match the winner goes and he goes and

03:01:36.480 gets drunk and bangs a prostitute or whatever he does or maybe a ring girl whereas the the dude who

03:01:40.760 lost sits at home with a concussion with the images of him getting beaten up and getting humiliated

03:01:45.760 playing over and over in his head he remembers failure he remembers and it hurts and it burns

03:01:52.280 and it gets scarred onto his soul and so this becomes very serious problem because then the

03:01:58.040 slaves the conquered are wrapped up in this cycle of remembering trauma and this becomes a big issue

03:02:05.420 because they want redemption from this trauma they want justification they want the wound to

03:02:10.580 be healed they want resolution to this trauma all energy wants to be expressed in some way and pain

03:02:16.460 is a form of energy and so these people are sitting there and they're in their heads stewing over the

03:02:21.260 fact that the french king humiliated them and conquered them and set up his monarchy or whatever

03:02:25.760 it is if you want to use it for modern context and like for example the irish are always pissed

03:02:30.360 off at the english for conquering us you can see in modern america or the west in general the

03:02:34.420 colonial projects all the minorities are really pissed off i was just about to say i'm like this

03:02:38.720 what you're essentially describing is the modern black experience in america in my opinion

03:02:43.600 so it's it's a it's a broad stroke thing because yes it's the black experience in america it's the

03:02:48.740 jews relationship to the western people in general because of the holocaust it's the irish like i know

03:02:53.700 this so well because i'm irish and it's like it just floored me when i actually began to understand

03:02:58.000 this because i live within a slave culture like the english like if i if i stubbed my toe it's

03:03:03.440 the english's fault you know it's amazing how we think we think so resentfully and we don't we're

03:03:10.280 not like it's so unconscious how bitter we are because the english all 800 years ago conquered

03:03:16.600 us and then when you look into it it's like it wasn't even the english it was the normans and

03:03:19.700 it's like would you like forget about that but there's this story you put in your head as a

03:03:24.000 slave where you got conquered conquest is not nice they famine you the fucking english you know they

03:03:28.900 steal your potatoes and then what happens like a lot of people die like this is sort of true was

03:03:33.840 a very brutal essentially you know murder and like you know basically half our population died

03:03:39.800 and that shit sticks with you man that you become you become jaded you become bitter and then you

03:03:45.520 become highly animated by pain to do something about it and this is a really important thing

03:03:50.520 to understand because since the slave feels pain since he feels trauma he becomes conscious he

03:03:56.700 becomes far more aggressively animated and he becomes far more crafty and he also starts to

03:04:02.700 develop this imaginative revenge he starts to imagine a sort of um redemption from this

03:04:08.540 situation the irish would sit there and they would imagine all right we need to get our nation

03:04:12.200 and the english could never properly understand like why the fuck did they care about their nation

03:04:16.100 so much why do they need to you know get this national movement up and going but this this was

03:04:20.060 our way of expressing redemption from the the trauma that they caused this and the english

03:04:25.080 are sort of like look we've got this awesome empire the irish can hop in their ships and go

03:04:28.220 to anywhere and like you know the irish basically were there there was always about 15 percent of

03:04:33.280 the british army was like you know irish or scottish gale or something like this and so

03:04:36.620 they were sort of part of the project and the english would have this far bigger view you know

03:04:40.820 they're they're sort of saying to themselves we're running the world but we're us irish are

03:04:45.420 sitting down there and we're stewing in this idea of just pulling the small part of the empire off

03:04:49.940 the english this is the biggest thing in our minds whereas the english is sort of like we

03:04:53.680 fucking rule every part of the planet like we're the biggest badasses ever how do we run this

03:04:57.120 empire how do we deal with the rise of like a super rival in not in germany and whatnot not

03:05:01.420 nazi germany sorry but in germany how do we deal with super rivals whatever about that and so you

03:05:06.620 can see this fantasy this vengeance boil up and this becomes a very serious problem because if

03:05:11.060 that vengeance takes over it the masters first of all are very naive about it they don't understand

03:05:16.620 the depths of it because they just can't understand that amount of pain they've never hated something

03:05:20.480 like that in their lives Nietzsche says the greatest haters are always the weak and then

03:05:24.600 because they're unaware of this this stuff builds up and there's these fantasies go out of proportion

03:05:29.800 and the masters often aren't severe enough with it and then when it's too late that it blows up

03:05:35.740 into something they can't control and then the this is what happens you have the slave revolt

03:05:39.880 and then the slaves pull down the masters and exactly as you described they take control but

03:05:44.900 then you realize that all they wanted to do was punish be wary of all people have a strong impulse

03:05:48.900 to punish and when they punish they are psychopathic they are unbelievably cruel it's it's impossible

03:05:55.800 to understand the depths of their cruelty they take the the monarchs and they cut their heads

03:06:00.280 off they humiliate women they strip them naked rape them and then cut their heads off you know

03:06:04.100 it's absolutely absurd i think the communist revolution in russia is just amazing to see this

03:06:08.940 because it's the exact pattern you have the naive dultish out of touch romanovs who don't realize

03:06:14.440 what's going on it gets steamrolled by all these savvy crafty weirdos like you know rash rashkolnikov

03:06:20.140 or whatever the fuck his name is and lenin and all these really really sharp bolsheviks who stir up

03:06:25.500 the resentment of the masses and aim it at the kulaks the middle class and the romanovs and when

03:06:30.580 they get control of the state you see fucking a hieronymus bosch painting show up these people

03:06:35.720 are pulling people out in the street gutting children out of women's bellies boiling people

03:06:39.800 in fucking cauldrons it's like what the fuck is even good this is insane like what how is this

03:06:43.380 happening the gulags like you know you know the story and also the haitian revolution's another

03:06:48.400 great example of that the atrocities there yeah and this is it and like in i hear about it in

03:06:53.680 south africa man like i know a south african girl i was talking about and she was describing just

03:06:57.220 some of the like it's it's it's a very horrible thing to talk about but like the hate the hate

03:07:00.820 rapes like they go in and they um they kill just invade a farm murder the the grandfather and then

03:07:07.160 just do terrible things the women and then cut their heads off and stuff and then she's like

03:07:10.040 jesus christ like what is going on here and french revolution was the same thing like and it's it's

03:07:14.960 always the same pattern this is another fascinating thing about it is that it's it's presented as a

03:07:19.120 beautiful idea the french go up and they talk to you about oh this is for liberty fraternity

03:07:23.920 and quality the communist communists are saying this is for equality and then when they get power

03:07:28.360 it's a bloodbath there was a reign of terror there was a there was a there was the madhouse

03:07:33.120 of the communist revolution it's the same thing with the irish it's it's hilarious you know the

03:07:36.700 irish had their great noble fight against the english that we all hear about and it was like

03:07:41.320 it was very brave and ballsy and it takes a big thing to organize this political stuff but what

03:07:45.060 happened straight away afterwards a fucking civil war where we all started murdering each other

03:07:48.760 like it's just it's just like the second you get it you don't know what you're like a dog chasing

03:07:53.860 a wheel no and and it's the the true face of what's going on kind of shows up and so what you

03:08:00.100 see is stirring up in the west right now is this exact energy at a scale that i don't think we've

03:08:05.060 ever seen in world history to be perfectly honest and it's um extremely important for western people

03:08:09.720 to become spiritually vaccinated against it because the western people are in the position

03:08:14.780 of naivety they are in some sense the hereditary conquerors and they just don't get it and there's

03:08:19.980 one last thing but go on you're going to say something well i was going to say uh as you're

03:08:23.040 describing that we're giving all these examples pulled from history and i was wondering do we

03:08:27.860 see something similar to that going on in this thing called the dissident right because when i

03:08:33.280 see a lot of the young men now they seem to be overtaken by fantasies of revenge a fan they're

03:08:40.120 dreaming of being king what's going to happen the day when we're on top there's no longer time

03:08:45.100 horizon than the vengeful revolution that they have in their hearts i just see a lot of commonalities

03:08:51.020 there yeah that's true there's a lot of ways that this manifests i i think there's one sort of um

03:08:56.980 there's there there is the the the problem of the loser you know there's the problem of like

03:09:02.600 a lot of these people are disenfranchised and their experience of the western world is is very

03:09:08.600 very negative and so they want to burn it all down and they hate it and all this there's a lot of

03:09:12.180 resentment towards the jews and like obviously there's power structures in the world and whatnot

03:09:16.540 but there is this like you know it kind of distorts into this almost like cartoonish fantasy

03:09:21.980 of hate and like they they rule all of world history and stuff like this and it's like

03:09:26.880 obviously there's a bit of nuance there there's these these problems with this type of stuff

03:09:30.380 this is absolutely true and i think this is what's so fascinating about this psychological mechanism

03:09:34.540 is that you can't escape from it you can't be bigger than it you know like as i said i'm irish

03:09:38.340 and so it would be great for me to read this stuff and be like oh i'm the master of course i'm the

03:09:43.240 badass i'm the blonde beast in each you talked about but when you read through it you realize

03:09:47.120 that like you're probably you're very much you're human all too human and all of us have this issue

03:09:51.200 like we all have these um we if we're in this position of losing we have this problem and if

03:09:55.800 you're in a position of winning you probably have naivety installed inside of you that you have to

03:09:59.520 be careful about and so i think absolutely i think this is such a healthy thing for um for people to

03:10:05.840 meditate on in general because they'll have a bit of that resentment inside of themselves and it's

03:10:10.200 very important to ask a question about like how do you deal with this and a good example of of

03:10:15.100 niche's advice on how to deal with this is to correctly digest and interpret envy develop

03:10:19.700 emotional intelligence with envy so when you envy somebody you have to kind of ask yourself all right

03:10:24.560 i envy somebody why well i envy them because they're they're superior to me in some way

03:10:29.300 how can i use this frustration i have to motivate me to out compete them to develop a competitive

03:10:36.220 mindset and to understand their virtues and try to incorporate them and think about what's going

03:10:40.320 on so a lot of people in the distant right don't like maybe the the the cabals that have taken over

03:10:46.220 the world well it's like well where are our where's our very down-to-earth grounded seriousness

03:10:51.580 where we're setting up networks of focused on institutional power and stuff like that that's

03:10:55.820 not really there. All we do is we sit around and theory sell and talk about podcasts. And I'm not

03:10:59.800 really sure that counts as what you actually should be looking for. And so you can kind of

03:11:03.380 see a very simple example there of the difference between pragmatic people who are going to secure

03:11:08.620 power and complainers who want to sit around and say extreme things online because it's a sort of

03:11:14.640 like, I don't know, rebelling against the culture or something like this. And yeah, man, I think

03:11:18.900 this phenomenon is very prominent. Yeah. And you had mentioned there, this is sort of a theme you

03:11:23.440 developed over the course of this talk, but also a few of your videos as well. I think you had one

03:11:28.300 video, the exact title escapes me, but it was something about Nietzsche was anti books or books

03:11:34.060 are for idiots, something like that. And I thought it was such a great title. And I think what you

03:11:39.500 were getting at was not being what we call the theory cell, not becoming so like crafting

03:11:45.120 labyrinths of theory to lose yourself in. Would that be a fair, if you want to go to that video

03:11:51.480 as well and talk about what nietzsche thought that we could do that too yeah um so i guess i'll just

03:11:58.100 talk about this because i actually think this is a very very valuable thing to think about and

03:12:01.360 this is maybe going a little bit more towards the question of like what is knowledge what is value

03:12:07.560 what is truth like these type of things and you do see the the right-wing movement in a weird way

03:12:16.020 has sort of come out of the old truther movement from my experience because i remember the internet

03:12:22.340 in the early days like about about 10 years ago was uh when i was a very young man i would see

03:12:28.780 like just out of my teenage years i would see films like zeitgeist and they're talking about

03:12:33.240 how george bush was running 9-11 and how jesus was an egyptian god and stuff like this you know

03:12:38.560 it was like the the conspiracy theory the old the actual genuine like conspiracy territory i remember

03:12:43.340 that i was i was paying attention to that same stuff too yeah this is it and that was a big

03:12:48.300 meme going around i remember and out of that comes um like fortune not out of that comes

03:12:54.280 4chan but 4chan was very parallel to that you know 4chan is sort of saying they're they have

03:12:58.420 a negative plan for us don't trust the elite and all these type of things and they turned out to

03:13:02.420 be very correct about an awful lot of stuff you know and there was every reason to be very very

03:13:06.400 suspicious of the elite it turned out to be like very practical and real and this is where it started

03:13:10.720 of the ground itself in the political movement trump sort of forms it as a something that has

03:13:14.420 a spine in the real world nonetheless like the energy that an awful lot of this was coming from

03:13:18.820 was like you know conspiracy theorists online pontificators esoteric posters about the nature

03:13:24.160 like there's a very big problem with this because that's inherently anti-action that's inherently

03:13:28.900 sort of like pontificating pondering thinking about like you know um what's the nature of the

03:13:34.920 world then there's like a lot of philosophy cells because when you're trying to ask yourself

03:13:38.780 i guess maybe i'll try to describe this in simpler terms we all grew up liberals in some sense we all

03:13:45.300 were in the liberal paradigm and i guess even till very recently most of us weren't even dissidents

03:13:50.620 against the liberal power and it's only very recently when the the mask has come off the

03:13:55.020 regime that we have kind of woken up for that and said i don't want to participate in this

03:13:58.320 culture anymore i don't like it and as a consequence of that um an awful lot of people

03:14:03.780 have had their worldviews fall apart in front of them and so their challenge is that they're

03:14:08.840 trying to put their worldviews back together they're trying to construct the worldview for

03:14:12.240 themselves that stabilizes their understanding of reality and so this is where you see an awful lot

03:14:16.060 of like the philosophy stuff i've done this as well we're all like it's you shouldn't even be

03:14:19.100 guilty of it but you know i'm guilty of it too and i'm trying to make sense of what's going on

03:14:23.540 in the world jordan peterson shows up and does a little bit of this a lot of guys are getting

03:14:26.700 into christianity now because it gives people such a stable welton shound a stable worldview

03:14:31.100 but a worldview is not a solution you know like it's not going to do really as much as we hope

03:14:38.040 it would do the people who have power right now are pragmatists fundamentally like the people who

03:14:43.440 have power right now seized institutions and they have institutional operations to make sure that

03:14:49.460 they can propagate their goals and their ideas and their plans they're very they're very down

03:14:55.000 to earth and grounded in power operations they certainly have their theories i'm sure but it's

03:15:00.200 very much contextualized with action like what would change the nature of the west is seizing

03:15:04.880 the education system establishing principled policies that transform the way education is

03:15:10.860 promulgated it would be seizing social media companies and transforming the censorship

03:15:15.600 paradigms it will be seizing political companies and transforming the purposes of of nation states

03:15:20.520 it would be getting into and cultural spaces like health and fitness and transforming how they

03:15:25.700 operate it would be like it would be building companies or getting into major agricultural

03:15:29.980 companies and changing the industry standards of the food supply these very specific operational

03:15:36.120 actions that's what's going to lead to genuine massive cultural change and it's not necessarily

03:15:43.240 theoretical like all these guys all of us like again i'm guilty of this too we have these very

03:15:48.500 astute ability to pay attention to details and we spend all that energy on trying to decide

03:15:53.300 is it um monism or is god orthodox or was god catholic or is god uh like is nietzsche right

03:16:00.740 and is god made up or something like this and it's like an awful lot of that is just completely

03:16:04.700 redundant and irrelevant because that attention to detail focused on these down-to-earth pragmatic

03:16:09.320 operations would be much more effective and lead towards much more tangible goals now of course

03:16:14.380 across the board this is quite a broad stroke statement but i think it's a very helpful way

03:16:18.740 of thinking and you'll notice that it's an anathema to most people people hate this idea of

03:16:22.580 like oh there's i should be doing practical things because that actually involves you getting down

03:16:28.260 into the the devil in the details of things that actually make results and that's quite boring and

03:16:32.140 difficult and takes actual disciplined work and and sustained focus and i i'm just to kind of

03:16:38.680 wrap this up because i know i'm somewhat ranting i i notice an awful lot on like twitter i love

03:16:42.800 twitter sphere there's like this whole side of twitter called money twitter and there you have

03:16:47.100 all these guys who are like almost anti-theory and so these guys don't really they don't really

03:16:51.260 world model very well so they don't they don't realize that the west is under much more of a

03:16:55.600 threat than like you know tate would say it's the matrix and they're all like oh the matrix bro and

03:16:59.180 it's like bro you it's way worse than the matrix bro like it's not good what's happening right now

03:17:04.080 but they don't have the world modeling um capacity to do this because they don't spend enough time

03:17:08.440 in it but these guys are just such efficient operators like they're able to drum up a drop

03:17:14.120 shipping store using the international supply chains to get themselves like 100k a month and

03:17:18.240 stuff it is oftentimes more and this is really important to understand because these guys

03:17:22.560 utilize their operational procedural thinking in order to gain tangible success in the world

03:17:28.880 and they they set up operations for themselves and this is what's such a pity for an awful lot

03:17:34.380 of the quote-unquote dissident movements is that many of these guys in like money twitter are free

03:17:38.240 but their value systems are very naive and shallow and many of the dudes with the very deep and

03:17:43.600 complicated value systems are sending dms to me and asking like bro how do i monetize my account

03:17:49.380 and all this type of stuff and it's like you know they're fucking broke working a job and all this

03:17:52.740 and that's that's that's shit and i understand that's not ideal at all but think about the

03:17:56.400 difference in approaches that's going on here now if you could take maybe forget about money but

03:18:01.200 go over to these money twitter guys and understand this operational efficiency and direct it towards

03:18:05.760 politics or um some type of like as we say cultural institution or education or something

03:18:11.760 like this how how far could you penetrate into one of those things because right now like it's

03:18:16.140 it's a it's a problem of like mass incompetence and all this so look i'll wrap it up there because

03:18:20.400 i'm going too much but it's basically that's very good you said a lot of very very fascinating

03:18:24.620 things that a couple of comments on there um i just so you probably don't know this but my

03:18:29.520 background uh is in marketing and business development and one thing that i had um some

03:18:36.500 some wisdom I'd accumulate over time was that we try to avoid what people would call paralysis

03:18:43.560 through analysis. And I've always just rephrased that as I think momentum through action is better

03:18:51.360 than strategy. And this is, you see this in a lot of different forms, especially in the startup

03:18:56.340 world where I've done a lot of work, which is that it's better to test and actively test and

03:19:02.460 optimize then be in a room and create this perfect strategy and then roll it out um and it's better

03:19:08.200 you can actually learn better and faster that way and one thing that came to mind as you were

03:19:13.320 talking was we covered this book called coup d'etat by edward lutwak which is a fascinating book um

03:19:20.840 and it's about essentially how to overthrow the government um by a famous geopolitical and uh

03:19:27.360 analysis and analyst. What the fuck am I saying? And it was using historical examples from coups

03:19:34.140 that were successful and those that failed and why. And also it took you a step-by-step way to

03:19:40.400 actually overthrow the government through the military. And one point he made in it that I

03:19:45.760 likened to what you were saying was that usually there is a planning period in a coup, but when

03:19:53.180 you're getting people on your side to build that momentum and then really capitalize on that the day

03:19:58.420 of one thing you noticed was you will try and get people on your side with a bit of ideology but

03:20:05.580 you're purposefully vague and during the coup d'etat you actually don't want to come with a full

03:20:11.160 itemized list of what you're trying to accomplish you keep it vague you say what we're promising

03:20:16.040 is change and we're going to make it better and then you kind of let the individuals fill that

03:20:21.060 with whatever their ideology is and you then they never really question it but which is to say that

03:20:27.420 the less detail of the theory and ideology the more effective it is because if these the people

03:20:34.460 pulling off the coup came with a full fucking book about what they're going to accomplish no one would

03:20:40.820 actually go along with them so so it's almost like the addition of too much theory paralyzes

03:20:48.560 you it makes so you can't pull off these grand sweeping movements um what do you think about

03:20:53.800 that i think it's an astounding um observation you know i think it's uh one of the hardest

03:21:00.440 punches in the jaw any young intellectual man can take because we will have this prone

03:21:05.760 side of us that will romanticize theory you know like i coming out of college i read nietzsche and

03:21:11.640 young i was so blessed that i had that foundation in me that instinct to be very skill orientated

03:21:17.280 like that's sort of what i meant is that i knew that that there's something vague there's something

03:21:22.220 lacking in that theory stuff of course i didn't quite articulate it till later but then when i

03:21:27.460 got into reading and philosophy and all this type of stuff i always had a way to contextualize it

03:21:31.400 and i've met an awful lot of people since who never had that and for that for many reasons then

03:21:35.780 they become and you know what's interesting is that they they're not even that they're not even

03:21:39.340 that good at philosophy like they're they're very good at picking up the words but it's almost like

03:21:43.720 because they can't contextualize it there's all sorts of neuroscience behind this i can get into

03:21:47.060 because they can't contextualize it it's almost like they don't understand what they're saying

03:21:50.840 it's like they can they can actually like a filing cabinet accumulate large amounts of

03:21:54.700 information and organize it in their heads almost like an artist but it's not like the information

03:22:00.260 they're able to like ground it in any type of reality and they don't have this instinct for

03:22:04.220 a stupid idea or a good idea and all this and it's like ludvick um basically it sounds like

03:22:09.220 he just basically wrote a fed post or something like this but that's that's brilliant like that's

03:22:14.140 that's exactly the kind of stuff that i think i find very very fascinating is that you sit down

03:22:18.900 and you know you you would think that the perfect plan is what you'll need and you need to have this

03:22:24.880 like thesis that everyone will be like perfect but it's like in reality you know a couple of

03:22:29.360 bullet points that rouse up the emotions there you go that's all you fucking need you're absolutely

03:22:33.580 sorted and whatnot and what my my co-host would say um he likes referring to this uh and i like

03:22:39.480 says it's a cargo cult and so he would say those individuals who just collect words and collect

03:22:45.080 things to kind of put themselves above others it's like a cargo cult for revolutionaries or

03:22:50.060 for intellectualism like they they have all the stuff they don't know how it works but they think

03:22:55.080 if they just kind of keep it around them then something will happen you know yeah yeah and

03:23:01.000 this is it and um and there's there's something earnest in it because i do think they mean well

03:23:05.620 but it's a problem because it's all this libido is spent in this intellectual space and it's like

03:23:14.420 what what like is there actually any serious results to come out of this stuff it's not like

03:23:18.220 we like Nietzsche was complaining about this and in relationship to like German philosophy of his

03:23:23.040 day because there was these guys filling up massive books blathering on about like conceptualizations

03:23:28.580 and all this stuff and he was like listen like all this is junk it's not really going to have

03:23:31.800 that much of a difference it's not going to make that much of a difference to an awful lot of stuff

03:23:35.600 and like sharper more penetrating thoughts are just more more much more valuable and

03:23:42.260 he was basically like trying to put out this this this epistemological first principle

03:23:49.320 where we have to be able to look at the pursuit of knowledge as being something that can almost

03:23:56.420 stifle the pursuit of life and that's a very very wise thing to wake up to it's like you know and

03:24:01.860 truly the word wisdom is important here it's like realizing that seeking after knowledge

03:24:06.760 without tethering into a context can lead to this like castration in some sense or getting stuck in

03:24:13.580 your head it's like i was talking about the nerd and the jock imagine the guy who sees this like

03:24:18.060 beautiful sexy girl and he wants to figure out how to be with her and his strategy is to go on

03:24:24.020 the internet and read all the red pill forms and all the theory and there's a kind of point where

03:24:28.540 he could do that like i remember i did that and i kind of read it for a while and then i went out

03:24:33.520 and just started like a pro like they basically say you should approach loads of girls and i'm

03:24:36.380 like nice so i went out and i started doing that and that kind of the action allowed me to just do

03:24:41.740 that and not really get too deep into it and then i started to meet some guys who are into it because

03:24:45.480 you'd see them on the forums and stuff like this and i would speak to them and they would have no

03:24:50.280 bitches they'd have no girls around them you know they're not they're not good with girls but they

03:24:54.000 they can literally explain to me with such precision and such detail all the lore all the

03:24:59.800 characters in the red pill sphere or the pickup game or whatever it is they can explain to me all

03:25:04.000 these ideas all these conceptions i'd be talking to a girl and then i'd like you know he he talked

03:25:09.960 to me afterwards and he explained to me all the like the the negs and stuff like that that would

03:25:13.600 happen and it was actually bizarre is that this guy's brain almost like a parasite had taken over

03:25:18.620 him and giving him this dopaminergic feeling that he was he was achieving something by by

03:25:23.580 categorizing the experiences he saw around him and learning more about various categories to put

03:25:28.540 there but the whole reason he got into this is because he wanted to be with a beautiful girl

03:25:32.380 wanted to be with a woman in in his bed naked and he had not achieved this because the the things

03:25:38.100 that actually lead operationally to this happening is like actually much more chthonic and emotional

03:25:42.960 him dealing with the fear of getting rejected him feeling that sizzle of his adrenals dumping

03:25:47.940 cortisol into his blood when he sees a gorgeous girl and stepping forward going up and speaking

03:25:52.300 and making sure his voice doesn't waver too much and then saying the right thing and then you know

03:25:56.340 these this type of stuff like this these operational things just are completely

03:26:00.280 pushed aside and and they're the things that actually count in the end and so um that's

03:26:04.700 fascinating if i could just take a detour there for a second um your life experience sounds fairly

03:26:10.240 similar to mine i'm in my mid-30s right now and in my late teens very very early 20s maybe like

03:26:17.140 19 i actually in toronto uh the one of the bigger cities around where we live i got into the pickup

03:26:23.300 artist scene and i i i noticed the exact same thing you do because i would go in basically

03:26:28.360 because i'm like i want to meet more girls i want to get good at it but that's what i want to do so

03:26:32.060 i'm going to go around these guys and there were two different types of guys there there's the one

03:26:37.180 you were talking about which is he studied all the stuff and these are the guys who pay for the

03:26:41.680 courses they pay like twenty thousand dollars to go out with a guy with a fuzzy hat and learn all

03:26:47.100 the words and they collect all the words and for me the two things that i got out of the few uh

03:26:53.000 gathering i never really paid for it but i would go these gatherings and go out the guys go to

03:26:56.980 clubs and stuff like that the two things i learned were what they said at the top one is like you're

03:27:02.900 not gonna meet a beautiful girl unless you make yourself attractive and by attractive they meant

03:27:08.620 like you can't be going out there with this shitty energy this desperation or this hatred like if

03:27:14.180 you're fat get in shape if you're pissed off at your life fix your life first a girl don't look

03:27:19.740 for a girl that will fix your life which is what a lot of them were there for and then also like

03:27:24.720 it's just just go out and do it do it go now go talk that girl over there go talk to her which

03:27:28.720 is what i did like i'm like i started picking up girls in subways in libraries in the weird places

03:27:34.820 and like that but that was me and i noticed that not everyone there was like me but they wanted to

03:27:41.040 like learn all the stuff and be like the best guy who read all the books while never actually

03:27:47.060 doing never actually talking to a girl basically yeah i look man that's that's a hundred percent

03:27:53.580 it and i think when you have a life experience like that it very intuitively falls into place

03:27:58.640 like you know exactly what i'm talking about which is so funny you know because you've seen it and

03:28:02.660 you know yourself that uh even like it's so funny to think about because Nietzsche is a philosopher

03:28:09.120 and he's trying to talk to you about like how to live and how to live your experience and it's like

03:28:13.280 imagine if your whole life was that guy who was stuck in his head and you wake up at 70 years old

03:28:18.540 and you look back and you don't you wouldn't even realize what you missed out on whereas like a dude

03:28:22.320 like yourself like all those emotions where you're going up to the girl and you you're like you come

03:28:27.640 up with a corny line to talk about a book in the library or something like this and then she kind

03:28:31.240 of like looks you in the eye and she's like oh fuck this is awkward and you actually manage to

03:28:34.620 calm her down and pull it off and she actually thinks you're cool and stuff and it's just this

03:28:38.920 absolute roller coaster of emotions and it turns into this really really beautiful thing you might

03:28:42.940 meet a girlfriend out of this which is amazing you know like that's that's one of the most

03:28:47.360 incredible experiences to go through and it's really like something that if you look at the

03:28:51.420 modern world look at how much you go online you have all these theory cells who hate women and

03:28:56.020 women who hate men you see all these like women who are blaming men for everything and calling

03:29:00.200 them rude things and stuff like this and you see that there's an awful lot of death of love like

03:29:03.780 there's no love there's no passion there's that kind of meat grind stuff of people and be involved

03:29:08.220 in stuff people maybe are having sex but it's this very sterile you know um tinder dates and

03:29:13.580 all these type of things and it's not as emotionally rich or the only fans relationships

03:29:17.240 and all this and when you have this experience of like it's funny that you mentioned only fans too

03:29:22.060 yeah yeah yeah like because that's that's really like that all these pathologies i'm looking at

03:29:27.500 this sort of like uh the the the experience of romance i think is a really powerful one and

03:29:34.220 really raw and really you know like just one of the apex experiences you can have just like

03:29:39.220 the experience of bravery like edward ludvak whatever the fuck his name is overthrown a

03:29:44.340 government like think of the passions the experiences he have like think about his

03:29:47.740 experience of politics compared to some dude who like reads an awful lot of nietzsche or something

03:29:51.160 it is like myself his experience of politics is like uh the like his heart literally beating out

03:29:55.880 of his chest as he he like bullshits a military general to let him to go into the to to let him

03:30:01.580 basically take a SWAT team to the the government building or something like this and it's like wow

03:30:05.920 man that's that's an emotionally intense experience that's fear you know that's that's doing it in

03:30:11.800 this type of thing and that's really like Nietzsche's an existentialist formally and not he didn't want

03:30:16.540 to describe himself this way because it wasn't really a word back then but it's like engaging

03:30:20.660 with the real world affirming life being in reality engaging in the experience and when you

03:30:27.120 start to think about what that means and it's it's just so much richer and more vivid and

03:30:32.640 concepts just fall shallow like they're they're almost like guides they're not like they're bad

03:30:37.540 they can help you model things out and they're very useful for you to understand stuff but when

03:30:42.340 the rubber hits the road it's about it's about getting into the into the basics and it's astounding

03:30:46.500 the ways that this stuff can work. And again, just another slightly tangential example is

03:30:50.760 the efficiency of something like, you know, you build a system. So say you build a business

03:30:55.800 and you have to work really, really hard on figuring out the operational efficiency in the

03:31:00.440 supply chain. But then once that's figured out, this thing is like a gear. It just runs by itself

03:31:05.240 and it can completely set you free from the problem of finances. And that's actually a big

03:31:10.100 deal. You know, like I had my business and my finances in order. So when the COVID came around,

03:31:14.160 i was able to just say fuck you to any government that was just being a dickhead to me and that's a

03:31:18.300 very powerful position to be because i had so much less fear than an awful lot of people a lot of

03:31:22.260 people i know had to compromise in their their values let's say because of the because of their

03:31:25.960 jobs but i was able to put a hard i was i was a pain in the ass i was a thorn in the foot of

03:31:30.480 you could say the the the project as best as i possibly could be and that was because i'd spent

03:31:35.520 my time making sure that i was free when it counted and that um that's really something

03:31:40.400 to think about like what knowledge what value is knowledge if it left you in that type of

03:31:45.140 compromise situation so it's really good a thing to point out that's a fantastic way to summarize

03:31:50.180 it as well and first of all i know it's pretty late where you are uh do you have time for maybe

03:31:54.980 a couple more questions because i don't want to take too much of your time no man rock and roll

03:31:58.800 like i i've my sleeping patterns all over the place right now so i can actually i can i can

03:32:03.640 dig into the i can dig into the late and late nights late hours because one thing i found

03:32:07.880 fascinating about Nietzsche, and I got this from your videos, because I'd never really heard this

03:32:11.420 before, was, and some people don't give a shit about this stuff, but I do, which is Nietzsche,

03:32:15.100 the man, and his experience, and his, the impact he had at the time, because you had made a point,

03:32:22.900 I believe in one of your videos, where he wasn't really taking that seriously at the time, he

03:32:27.380 wasn't the colossal figure, obviously, that we have right now, and you had talked about him

03:32:33.420 developing this epistemological first principle i was going to ask was that rare like was that

03:32:38.720 a shock to the system at the time as much as i think it is and did were people against him and

03:32:45.320 what was his experience proposing all this stuff yeah it's it's a good question because the i guess

03:32:52.340 the common trope against nietzsche which is somewhat true is that he was a fucking incel

03:32:57.060 loser who um was not like you know he was not the best with girls and stuff like this and he did end

03:33:02.920 up um in some type of terrible situation with his health he was good enough with girls to get

03:33:08.000 syphilis so you know at least he's got that going for him yeah yeah he actually he pulled that off

03:33:12.960 so he was definitely approaching girls on some level but um his life was his life is i think

03:33:18.800 one of the most fundamental parts of his life is to understand this problem with health because

03:33:22.140 that was a big issue for him is that he had like a really bad digestive system how he was like

03:33:26.880 really struggling migraines and he did this very heroic overcoming of himself because i think this

03:33:31.960 is a big foundation for an awful lot of his quote unquote philosophy he had this great profound

03:33:38.100 relationship to the understanding of how sickness affects mindset so if you're sick you obviously

03:33:43.960 have slightly more negative thoughts now that's not a trivial thing because say if you are sick

03:33:48.840 and you write a book of philosophy and that becomes the standard book that everybody reads

03:33:52.240 in your culture you're actually going to by virtue infect everyone in your culture with a

03:33:56.420 sick philosophy that might make them do something absolutely terrible and so he was he was a really

03:34:00.840 had a really good perception of how your thoughts can become damaged when you're um you're feeling

03:34:06.840 bad because he felt bad his whole life and he probably had his brain saying to him like kill

03:34:10.200 yourself and be depressed and give up on life and life is terrible and life is evil and all this

03:34:14.540 stuff and his whole antagonistic spin to this was to turn around and basically say um first of all

03:34:22.000 i'm not going to give up on life second of all i'm going to operationally change my health that's

03:34:27.540 i'm gonna i'm gonna fuck all theory i'm gonna focus on getting my health good and so he goes

03:34:31.480 and he starts to eat eat better and he tries to figure out a diet he actually ends basically on

03:34:35.480 like a paul saladino carnivore md diet where he eats nothing but fruit and meat which is very

03:34:40.120 interesting in and of itself and milk milk chad and then he goes and he puts this together and

03:34:46.840 his health gets better and as a consequence his moods get lighter and more powerful and by the

03:34:51.400 end of his life or by the end of his sanity he's basically writing stuff like i'm actually starting

03:34:55.580 to feel wonderful i feel like finally in the the sort of afternoon of my life i'm having these big

03:35:01.300 surges of vitality and this is where he goes through his creative period you know he writes

03:35:05.680 all these creative big ideas and and presents all this very interesting way of seeing things

03:35:09.680 and so he actually does overcome his situation in quite a dramatic way and he in some sense lives

03:35:14.440 out his philosophy in that way you know now he's definitely no alexander the great that's absolutely

03:35:19.260 true but you can't you can't rob his virtue from him either like i actually think he he really did

03:35:24.400 something that all of us I think have to do I'm very much the same I grew up with like riddled

03:35:28.360 with eczema with um asthma I was a sickly autoimmune disease dude getting fed like corn syrup

03:35:34.060 and all this type of shit and I had to overcome that through a project of of searching for my

03:35:38.580 health and I remember looking over Nietzsche's life and I think that was the thing that bonded

03:35:41.680 me to him the most is that he was that dude like me and him went through that same experience and

03:35:46.240 the more I've spoken to people like everybody in the modern world seems to have some issue with

03:35:49.420 this stuff because you know they're poisoning us with the food and the food is all shit and whatnot

03:35:53.020 on and i think that's really a big deal i really really think that's a big deal so he um he kind

03:35:57.720 of overcame that situation but he was also quite creative and poetic and he was a college dropout

03:36:03.920 in a weird way like he drops out of the education system and he drops out and writes his corpus of

03:36:09.380 books and he's getting them published but nobody really is reading you know they the when he goes

03:36:14.820 insane people actually are starting to even as he was finishing his decade of productivity he was

03:36:20.340 starting to get a readership it was almost like he was publishing a blog and towards the last two

03:36:25.040 years he was really starting to gain momentum and then the fucking poor bastard ended up insane

03:36:28.980 so he couldn't really really harvest it because basically 10 years after he went insane even less

03:36:36.180 man like 20 years after he went insane world war one kicked off okay so 20 years after he lost it

03:36:43.320 world war one kicks off in world war one the german people were carrying the spokes arithustra

03:36:49.300 in their knapsacks in the war beside the bible that's how fast that he took over their consciousness

03:36:55.760 yeah so he was a big deal you know and i think his project was very fascinating because he was

03:37:00.120 talking about an awful lot of things that he wanted to do i really think he wanted to engage

03:37:04.180 in life i think he wanted to um he was sort of like he exited the university system he was sort

03:37:09.960 of creating these books to rally up a sort of intellectual elite it's very similar to like

03:37:14.040 bap or something like this bap goes and makes bron jade's mindset and creates this network on

03:37:18.780 twitter and nietzsche was trying to do that in his own way and i think he wanted to see something

03:37:24.540 like uh it's very hard to describe because he actually was talking about this like an institution

03:37:28.840 he wanted to create this sort of like trans-european institution which was not overtly

03:37:34.180 political but sort of like a knowledge institution almost like the church in a weird way

03:37:37.840 where um or maybe like a peer review system or something like this or like a modern media system

03:37:43.080 he was trying to think of like some thing that could be built with him and his friends and they

03:37:47.800 could um use it to leverage and change european culture for the better basically is what he was

03:37:52.160 saying if you actually want an analogy of this he was sort of talking like uh the idea of the world

03:37:56.300 economic forum like what that is he was looking at building something like this from what i can

03:38:01.040 what i can read out of it and now this is maybe him pontificating somewhat aimlessly but i think

03:38:06.060 that's what what he was he was dreaming of is he'd rally his friends they would get together they

03:38:10.240 would all agree on um okay we want to see european values become more vital and it would take people

03:38:15.660 a while to catch up with him and when that was achieved they could work then on setting up some

03:38:20.800 type of institution in this type of way maybe like some type of influence network or something

03:38:24.200 like this and then have this incredible leverage on on the future of the world and that obviously

03:38:28.320 didn't come to fruition and then instead he just became basically the the prominent philosopher of

03:38:33.500 the the next century beside probably marx i'd say well that's it's a fascinating life story and i

03:38:39.820 think in one of your videos you had kind of outlined uh he had a bit of a military history

03:38:44.040 as well if i'm not mistaken but yeah yeah yeah he did i can get into that if you wish or if you

03:38:50.440 order questions i was going to talk just briefly about because i found that so fascinating his

03:38:55.160 relationship because he also had some um you had a video about like his relationship with trauma

03:39:01.920 as well we were talking about trauma earlier and they keep coming back to like how sickness

03:39:06.900 itself can it can increase your fatalism of course but i think that might also grant you

03:39:14.860 a different time horizon because i i had sort of a similar uh series of events in my life where

03:39:23.040 you know i was i had this sort of lung infection when i was younger and it kind of fucked up my

03:39:27.380 breathing even to this day um and i had like a like a mini stroke like a year or two ago and i

03:39:34.960 I was speaking to a friend of mine in The Prudentialist, and he was a young man, and he had a very life-threatening illness that he kind of goes into.

03:39:43.800 And I'm like, I think people who have that experience that jolts you into thinking that, oh, my God, my life could end.

03:39:52.440 Because when you're in your 20s, you feel invincible.

03:39:54.800 But if you know that the clock is ticking, the sensation of being a young man but knowing the clock is ticking, I think changes your mind.

03:40:04.380 and makes your ambition just go into overdrive and what do you think about that

03:40:10.060 maybe maybe i i yes i i think the broader understanding of nietzsche's relationship to

03:40:21.040 to sickness is um it's almost like the end of train spotting you know it's like choose life

03:40:26.180 choose uh the fucking whatever it is he kind of has that experience from what i see is that

03:40:31.100 he's a sickly boy you know he's a sickly guy and he he finds a variety of reasons for this he

03:40:37.840 blames german culture quite a lot he blames um you know maybe his own lack of inner vitality

03:40:43.500 or something like this he was somewhat of a healthy dude but he ends up in this bad spot

03:40:48.420 and this negative like it's almost like he gets visited by pessimism the the specter of pessimism

03:40:56.380 that tells him to give up on life and it's like he's sick i i think you know he probably dealt

03:41:01.600 with the suicidal thoughts he's sick he's constantly sick he's got this issue he can't

03:41:05.620 think he's going blind he was blind at one point and it's like why not just slit your wrists or

03:41:09.800 something like this or get a gun and blow your brains out like what's what's the point in going

03:41:13.200 on with this and these negative jaded thoughts probably overtake him and he conquers this at

03:41:18.920 one point he overcomes this and he chooses life he decides i'm not going to be defeated i'm not

03:41:23.700 going to be i'm going to figure out a way and so he takes it very seriously trying to figure out how

03:41:27.900 to match his metabolism to like the environment and he goes to like the alps and stuff like this

03:41:32.380 and he becomes a mountain boyo and all this type of stuff and um i think that act gets him to do

03:41:39.140 this life affirmation thing that he's always banging on about which is a really big deal

03:41:42.600 because the foundation of his philosophy is like all right the thing he looks at buddhism he looks

03:41:47.940 at christianity he looks at schopenhauer he looks at pessimism he looks at probably would look at

03:41:51.740 modern liberalism and he sees inside of it this um this fundamental philosophical denial with life

03:41:58.500 this weariness with life it's almost like a spiritual suicide buddhism is like the world

03:42:02.920 is not real it's maya it's samsara we must escape to samsara so sorry to nirvana and the christians

03:42:09.460 are like this entire reality is not the real reality god's reality is up in heaven we're

03:42:13.580 waiting we're waiting we're literally waiting here until we get brought up to there at the

03:42:16.740 end of times and schopenhauer has the same philosophy as like reality is an evil samsara

03:42:22.100 and the only righteous thing for you to do is to basically use yourself orgasmically like an artist

03:42:27.580 and destroy yourself in this like artistic suicide or something like this whatever is going on he

03:42:32.900 he notices this weariness inside all these ways of thinking that don't empower him that don't

03:42:37.800 stimulate him to take on the world and fight and he wants he he he has to he has to find that energy

03:42:43.640 in order for him to live in order for him to not take his own life or to give up and in order for

03:42:48.560 him to to act and make these because you know when you're sick the day after you're better is the

03:42:53.480 hardest day of your life because that's the day you have to take the first step out of bed and

03:42:56.840 you're weak i broke my arm last year and this is exactly what it was like like rehabbing yourself

03:43:01.820 to be able to pick up a cup is not exactly romantic but that's where you actually learn what

03:43:06.260 you're made of that's where you learn how much you wanted that's that the thing and so i think

03:43:10.000 that was really the experience that he had that was such a big deal is that he decided that he

03:43:14.140 was going to do the basic operations he was going to focus on eating fruit and meat and see what

03:43:18.780 worked with his digestion he was going to focus on his climate he was he got into hiking and stuff

03:43:23.580 like this and he's like this is going to lay the foundation for my health yeah and that was what

03:43:26.940 was so fascinating and another thing i learned from one of your videos which just to build on

03:43:32.020 what you're saying was he nietzsche was adverse to coming up with any ideas inside and would

03:43:38.540 continuously thrust himself into these long day-long walks where he would do all of his

03:43:43.520 thinking and conceptualizing but he refused to do any of that inside he had to be out

03:43:48.600 with nature with the like you were just saying in the real world in the present around life right

03:43:54.940 yeah yeah and and that's it and it's the kind of life he chose to live is a very fascinating one

03:44:01.180 because he he's trying his best to live like a some type of active hero because it's very

03:44:06.540 interesting like at the end of the 19th century we were beginning to trend into this intellectual

03:44:10.260 experience and he was trying his best to resist this and so what did he do he spent all day

03:44:15.040 walking out in the mountains he actually took inspiration from this from like napoleon and

03:44:20.680 julius caesar where they would they would go on long marches with their army and he was you know

03:44:25.160 what's what was the the old classical army life is like it's actually just a lot of walking you

03:44:29.520 know a lot of marching that's really what it was and then every now and again you're going in this

03:44:32.760 big fight and so Nietzsche was in some sense simulating this um and so yeah he was doing all

03:44:37.900 this and he learned the vitality of thought when you're out moving and getting your blood flowing

03:44:41.420 and he became a very embodied thinker you know I think the only thing that um he never really

03:44:45.840 figured out which I do think probably like graded on him an awful lot was loneliness I think that

03:44:49.820 was one thing that poor bastard probably struggled with and that would be very hard because he's like

03:44:54.240 one of those like autistic super intelligent dudes and he's you know probably struggled to

03:44:59.760 relate to people an awful lot and he had all these blisteringly inventive creative ideas and i i think

03:45:04.180 that's one thing that he's so much he wasn't marching with his boys you know he was marching

03:45:07.780 by himself and that that was the great struggle but sometimes people have to make those type of

03:45:12.020 sacrifices for the future of the world i guess well you know what he's not as bad as schopenhauer

03:45:16.440 he seems to have been a bit more popular than from what i've read about schopenhauer and his

03:45:22.340 thoughts on you know how to get women didn't seem to be going very well for him well see see

03:45:28.100 schopenhauer is an absolute chad like schopenhauer pulled loads of girls schopenhauer did really well

03:45:32.580 he was really social did schopenhauer is hilarious because schopenhauer is not a representation of

03:45:36.860 his own ideas nietzsche often talks about this and in fact schopenhauer a lot of followers are

03:45:41.140 committed suicide because they actually took schopenhauer seriously where schopenhauer had

03:45:45.400 this almost intellectual pessimism but the way he lived there's nothing like this like every

03:45:50.040 nietzsche said or maybe it was someone else but somebody said that schopenhauer disproved his own

03:45:54.540 philosophy because after dinner every day he played the flute you know it's like this is so

03:45:59.820 counter to everything i've heard because i've we've read schopenhauer we covered the world as

03:46:04.200 will and representation on the show but i didn't really go into his life but the meme going around

03:46:08.960 right now is that schopenhauer was the original incel and you're saying that's way off yeah i

03:46:15.880 don't think so i think he he was like he was smashing girls i remember even into late into

03:46:20.500 his age i think he was smashing girls i don't think he's an incel at all like i could be wrong

03:46:24.260 but i'm pretty certain that he was um he was no he was he was out there he was running game on

03:46:29.880 girls he was out there doing this stuff i the big thing about schopenhauer is that he he was not like

03:46:35.620 it's you know nietzsche people say he was not a representation of the ubermensch you know so

03:46:39.140 that's nietzsche invalidated weirdly schopenhauer was not a representation of a pessimist he was

03:46:43.500 like a jolly happy-go-lucky um dude who engaged with life he ate dinner in a restaurant he hung

03:46:48.820 out with people he was a bit of a like you know he liked to be alone and all this but he knew people

03:46:52.620 he had a social network like Nietzsche was nothing like this Nietzsche was sort of like a troubled

03:46:56.320 um lonely uh sort of schizo artist that was that was running around the mountains and

03:47:02.900 it really kind of captures his his the vitality of his thought because his thought is just so

03:47:07.580 bizarre and broad it's got that feeling of like a a kind of spurgy um out of touch

03:47:14.240 dude who lives in the fucking mountain like it really just has that feel where Schopenhauer is

03:47:18.360 it just there's this incongruence with the two of them let me ask you this um and this will be a

03:47:22.860 very very stupid question so bear with me but we spoke previously about the slave versus master

03:47:28.560 uh worldview is the master uh synonymous with the ubermatch or are these two different concepts

03:47:35.260 yeah so i would say they're different concepts it's a common um under like misunderstanding

03:47:41.900 understanding it's quite a complicated thing but to put it very very simply um

03:47:46.040 niches with the ubermatch is trying to think about

03:47:51.680 he's trying to think about like a eugenic project if you want to think about it this way now i know

03:48:00.000 that's a dirty word but we mean it like not around here we mean it like um every choice you make

03:48:08.740 leads to a result there's a cause and effect relationship with everything and a culture

03:48:13.900 is a group of people making a collective set of choices habitually you know and so every choice

03:48:20.080 in a culture leads to a consequence this is quite abstract i'm going to bring it down to the tangible

03:48:25.240 now in a second so a certain culture is going to produce a certain type of person so for example

03:48:30.940 in american or western culture right now there's all these minute operational details like we were

03:48:36.500 discussing earlier all these tiny little things that are very easy to overlook so for example

03:48:41.680 there's this business guy who realized that genetically modified crops are going to get

03:48:46.320 him some government funding so he chooses to make those he genetically modifies corn this corn then

03:48:51.420 gets digested and turned in the giant factory into corn syrup which ends up in quite a lot of foods

03:48:55.780 which causes a mild amount of inflammation which makes the general american population slightly

03:49:00.280 more unhappy and this happens in 40 to 100 to a thousand different ways with a variety of different

03:49:05.600 food products making the american people like slightly overweight or slightly less less healthy

03:49:11.720 that means their health bills go up and stuff like this they're more cranky all the time

03:49:15.660 their intelligence is a little bit stunted they could be so much more intelligent they are they're

03:49:19.040 very genius people but they get stunted by all these like little tiny little tiny tweaks and

03:49:23.840 decisions that happen around the food supply system flip that with the education system

03:49:28.020 social media like there's if you went into any of these fields there is a miasma an incomprehensible

03:49:33.860 amount of little details that um leads that are built on all these small cultural decisions and

03:49:39.720 habits that lead to very very big results and it's it's almost impossible to really really

03:49:45.000 understand how to make them all fit together but even with the food one like think of the

03:49:49.160 the monumental size of the consequences from the food one you get um the next generation of people

03:49:55.520 are more overweight the the parents sperm is like the dad's sperm is less effective maybe the kids

03:50:01.260 are less healthy the kids are more frail the kids are um less intelligent all these types of things

03:50:07.760 now what is happening basically is that over the generations this trend continues and you're going

03:50:13.120 to have a batch of kids a generation of kids that are like so significantly less than their

03:50:17.540 forefathers that you could nearly consider them like a sort of fallen race or a fallen version

03:50:22.740 of them or something like this you know they're like a load of golems that were produced out of

03:50:26.620 the american pioneers that charged across the the forested um like basically supermen that

03:50:32.560 charged across this yeah now if you were to think of an antagonistic um or a different direction

03:50:39.420 that that would go imagine if you created a culture that tackled all of these nuances and

03:50:43.980 like again this is so incomprehensibly large but that's the level the depth the rigor that this

03:50:50.000 would need to take a culture a people that had a culture that meant that you know when the kid

03:50:56.140 grew up all the food he ate made it his it made him like be full of vitamin k2 so his jaw was

03:51:01.320 chiseled he became tall his bones became broad he had much superior muscle mass his testosterone

03:51:06.880 was higher his his mind was clearer he um he was healthier he did all these type of things he was

03:51:13.160 more intelligent he went to an education system that maximized his potential from day fucking one

03:51:18.800 he became a magnificent problem solver he became athletically skilled he became musically skilled

03:51:24.320 his right hemisphere and left hemisphere were cross-wired because of all this musical training

03:51:28.480 and whatnot he became a very good speaker he developed all this this competency for these

03:51:32.840 types of things and it's like think of the specimen that character would be he became like

03:51:37.060 educated in history and literature think of the specimen that character would be compared to the

03:51:41.800 modern american the modern westerner like i don't mean to be jaden on americans too much now follow

03:51:47.520 that same operational principle of like what would happen if the generation of that that that you

03:51:54.160 know chad continued forward what would happen the next generation would be even taller and bigger

03:52:00.200 and stronger and smarter and better and continue that process down for a couple of generations

03:52:04.620 now make these two things run parallel to each other what will you basically have you will have

03:52:10.100 one guy who's essentially going to be a different entity a different species combining this with

03:52:16.220 like all this technology like you know crisper and iq stuff and and and and you know um biohacking

03:52:24.340 and and augmentation and all this maybe you you don't you think that's all stupid and gay and all

03:52:29.760 this type of stuff or whatever like just let's use our imagination a little bit here and get a

03:52:33.280 bit sci-fi these this character this these culture focused on excellence versus this culture

03:52:39.000 mistakenly focusing on comfort and pleasure instead of health these two people are going

03:52:44.080 to be different species nearly different races different different entities they're going to be

03:52:48.020 like one of them is going to live for 170 to 180 years the other one's going to live for 60

03:52:52.700 one of them might have an iq relatively of like 200 compared to the other guy who's like you know

03:52:57.940 a grug brain and all this type of stuff like that's that's the evolution of man into different

03:53:03.400 different races as i said different species it's like lord of the rings returning once again

03:53:07.660 and this is um i think the best way to ground the idea of what the ubermensch is is that

03:53:13.020 basically saying if we got organized on that project and made sure that the direction we

03:53:18.200 were going was obviously the more ideal one here and where would that take us what would we have

03:53:22.420 to do in order to achieve that and that's basically all the ubermensch is as far as i can understand

03:53:26.320 is like a a goal is to sort of say all right let's put us on that path operationally what do we have

03:53:31.880 to do to try reach towards the ubermensch and you'll realize that it's such a bizarre

03:53:36.340 ever blossoming problem like there's so many things you have to get correct you have to set

03:53:41.600 up a culture a culture is a million things happening all at once that you need you know

03:53:47.140 hundreds of competent men in high positions of authority getting correct all the time nobody's

03:53:53.100 slacking that's what a culture is it's the greatest achievement of all time when it goes right this is

03:53:57.280 why nietzsche loves high cultures like greece and france and stuff like this it's fascinating

03:54:01.480 because the culture does inform the biology on a long enough timeline and people seem to always

03:54:06.640 forget that and almost believe this this fantasy that it's just magic or something people end up

03:54:12.520 this way but no like and so many times when eugenics is brought up people will just stop it

03:54:17.960 at race or ethnicity but once you broaden the scope it really is everything because

03:54:23.440 institutionally reinforcing behavior will have genetic permanence on a long enough timeline

03:54:29.600 yeah and there's also another concept like obviously the the mob is not very good at nuance

03:54:34.800 but evolution is not a binary you know like evolution does not evolution is always active

03:54:41.840 and it's not going up or down it's not going good or bad you know it's it's just active we're always

03:54:47.800 evolving there's always cause and effect happening and so choosing to eat mcdonald's is a eugenic or

03:54:53.660 dysgenic choice choosing to allow a government policy to instantiate corn syrup is choosing

03:54:59.900 profit or you know short-term profit over a different goal it's it's choosing something

03:55:06.040 it's it's like this is again where Nietzsche gets criticisms of being a moral relativist it's like

03:55:11.220 Nietzsche just understood with nuance what morality actually is morality is decision making

03:55:15.760 and decision making cannot be abstracted into some objective thing like decision making is

03:55:21.720 about understanding the incredible broad array of nuances and understanding the goal that you

03:55:27.260 should be aiming at which decisions that you make and so if you're aiming for something like the

03:55:30.760 Ubermensch and you go into the agricultural system all of your decisions are going to be so much

03:55:34.800 better informed than some guy who goes in with the idea of profit he's going to do much different

03:55:39.100 things and his things are going to sacrifice the ideal of the Ubermensch of healthier people and

03:55:45.120 likewise if you're going to do it for comfort or pleasure whatever it is these things have all

03:55:48.880 these very complicated relationships and so Nietzsche and his genius is able to penetrate

03:55:53.700 through all this schema and understand the goal is what dictates morality the goal is what dictates

03:56:00.320 decision making that's how you control for good morals that's how you make people make right

03:56:05.180 choices is give them a vision of what they're actually aiming to achieve that's how you pull

03:56:09.580 it off and so the uber mentions this idea of like we're in this modern world we should be aiming to

03:56:14.900 see ourselves transform into this like this is the whole meaning of our culture comes down to this

03:56:18.660 because if we don't change this stuff if we don't manage to seize all these institutions and see and

03:56:24.660 this is culture in a personal sense it's not just like this is sort of like the libertarians

03:56:27.940 say this side correctly they leave out all the other stuff but they are actually right about

03:56:32.680 this is that it's like our personal responsibility about how we train ourselves to speak how we deal

03:56:38.440 with our our friends how we deal with like even things like how we eat and how we dress these are

03:56:42.680 all cultural realities and we we have to get fully wrapped up and serious with these nisha has a

03:56:49.040 beautiful phrase on this where he says it's in twilight of the idols i think on beauty and beauty

03:56:54.460 is incredibly costly anything ideal is incredibly costly people in order to become beautiful like

03:57:02.400 for example in 17th century france people have to hold themselves to a standard even when there's

03:57:07.940 nobody looking you know you have to dress your best to just walk around your fucking house type

03:57:11.940 thing. And this is a big deal because this is hard to do. And this is a sort of like personal

03:57:18.120 penetrative culture. And all of these things need to be in the right place if you want to see people

03:57:22.700 win. And this is just the problem is that we live in a combination of the worst. We have a general

03:57:27.240 malaise of low standards married to institutional low standards. And that's the thing that we're

03:57:33.260 really trying to aim and change. That's a great sequence of points you just made there. And I'm

03:57:38.640 going to summarize it into one question i'm going to put to you and maybe this will be the last

03:57:42.800 question because i do need to get going soon my wife is looking around the corner because she

03:57:46.200 wants to make dinner i'm a few hours behind you but based on you mentioned a few things there

03:57:51.240 one and we kind of started with like transhumanism and tech and stuff and the question kind of

03:57:56.380 emerged in my mind is transhumanism and perhaps even artificial intelligence kind of a cheat

03:58:03.720 and is it almost counter to this idea of the ubermensch where something needs to be generated

03:58:09.540 from within and all this technology stuff would be a shortcut that might be antithetical to that

03:58:17.220 what do you think about that so nietzsche's thoughts on technology are not as developed

03:58:22.500 because in the 19th century the experience of technology was much more like um it wasn't

03:58:28.400 actually as relevant back then like it wasn't as big of a meme back then you'll actually notice his

03:58:33.140 protégés like Oswald Spengler

03:58:37.980 talks about technology and Heidegger

03:58:39.680 they talk about technology a fuckload

03:58:41.520 because technology almost 30

03:58:43.460 40 years after him just started to kick

03:58:45.680 into serious gear so they have

03:58:47.600 like man and techne and stuff like this

03:58:49.480 and they talk about it a big time. Nietzsche

03:58:51.260 lived in a much more mechanical Newtonian

03:58:53.660 age you know that was sort of his age of

03:58:55.300 a 19th century science and whatnot

03:58:57.460 so he talks about like force and he

03:58:59.560 talks about slightly different first principles so he

03:59:01.460 He has no real guiding comments and how he expects that stuff to work.

03:59:04.740 But my take, I don't think like how any of this stuff should be redundant, you know, or antagonistic.

03:59:11.320 The Ubermensch, whatever type of goal it is, technology is fundamentally a part of human culture.

03:59:16.520 In fact, it's very much like an intrinsic part of human culture.

03:59:19.300 So we use it, you know, we use it.

03:59:21.940 And I think actually this is probably the most important thing is that technology guided by an ideal is so much more compelling than the way that we use technology.

03:59:31.460 now because technology right now is sort of we allow ourselves to let technology be guided by

03:59:37.280 the sort of american standard ideals of profit and big capital and stuff like this i sound sort of

03:59:42.180 like a fucking commie here but it's a big it's a big issue because then you have like what what

03:59:47.940 is technology used for it's like these social media platforms that are just designed to get

03:59:52.540 everybody on boarded and addicted to dopamine and all this and it's like where's the higher goal

03:59:55.880 where's the educational principle in these types of things there's we're sorely lacking in an ideal

04:00:01.260 um first principle a vision to guide us in how we make decisions about how to arrange these things

04:00:06.960 instead stuff like the state is kind of cucked and steps out of the way and lets zuckerberg build

04:00:12.180 whatever platform he wants as long as it follows their sort of constitutional rules and for this

04:00:17.220 reason um it can be very very pernicious to society and people can't quite use it and so

04:00:23.620 this is going to be a continual problem with like ai and stuff like this like look at how ai so

04:00:28.660 quickly got co-opted by the values of the the libtard regime they begin to censor chat gbt

04:00:34.700 you can you can clearly see that technology is fundamentally related to the value system that

04:00:41.300 it is born within it will serve that in some sense and the premier thing is having the values straight

04:00:47.900 so that technology can have a an intelligent purpose technology is very much like a neutral

04:00:52.660 tool it's like the old argument like guns don't kill people i do it's like all right

04:00:56.940 we got we got to figure out uh making how to get into the minds of the of the person wielding the

04:01:03.000 tool and then that would justify the tool that's a great response to that question i know it's kind

04:01:08.080 of a strange question and i think over the course of our discussion i can say probably the best

04:01:14.920 compliment i could say to a guest which is you helped recontextualize a lot of things that i

04:01:19.340 was thinking about you brought into sharp focus some things that were kind of foggy for me and

04:01:25.540 And I think this has been a fantastic talk.

04:01:28.200 I just wanted to say that in so many words.

04:01:30.540 And I think there's a lot of people probably kind of snapped out of some, I don't want to use the word toxic.

04:01:36.980 What's a good one?

04:01:37.860 A tomb-ish way of thinking, listening to this.

04:01:41.320 And I think that a lot of people are going to like what they heard here today.

04:01:46.460 If you had any closing thoughts, I wanted to pass this to you before I also remind people where they can find you.

04:01:52.680 are there any closing ideas you wanted you didn't get to cover sweet oh there's loads of things i'd

04:01:58.480 love to love to talk about i could have you back on five more times because i know we didn't get

04:02:03.020 even to most of the stuff i wanted to talk about we just kind of went off but this has been very

04:02:07.380 good i was gonna say i know you're in a bit of a rush so if you can't do it it's fine but you said

04:02:11.560 you had some audience questions if there's any of those i'd happily answer those if you don't have

04:02:14.980 time it's absolutely fine i got to most of the audience questions actually because they had a

04:02:18.760 lot based on on the videos about kind of we got to most of them over the course of it about niche's

04:02:24.280 life and how stuff like that so we incidentally got to most of them beautiful all right fantastic

04:02:31.300 there you go that's the the i's and the t's crossed but look i wouldn't say too much more

04:02:35.800 because obviously this stuff is getting in the weeds i would really like with what i'm doing

04:02:41.020 with social media to try my best to make these ideas as as as as punchy and as clear as possible

04:02:46.720 because Nietzsche is a very difficult reader

04:02:49.700 to, he's very difficult to understand.

04:02:53.080 He speaks with an awful lot of like philosophical context

04:02:55.560 that a lot of people don't have.

04:02:56.880 So I really like trying to digest this stuff

04:02:58.620 and make it relevant to us

04:02:59.700 because I do think that where the West is right now,

04:03:03.140 we're having a crisis of culture.

04:03:04.900 People call it a crisis of nihilism,

04:03:06.320 but I think it's even more annoying and pragmatic.

04:03:09.460 It's a crisis of culture.

04:03:10.800 We don't know how to get a grip

04:03:12.200 of the operational things we need to do

04:03:14.340 in order to you know set these these habits in the right direction and we are also facing a very

04:03:19.980 big existential problem what i which i mentioned earlier and nietzsche covers both of these the

04:03:24.660 first one is for example the guilt that haggers us about um what we you know the trauma of the

04:03:29.840 colonial projects and me being irish weirdly i'm caught up with that even though i was a colony

04:03:33.900 and this this guilt and the resentment we're getting from from the rest of the world as a

04:03:38.660 consequence of this this is something that western people need to spiritually overcome they need to

04:03:43.520 like nietzsche has the answer to that and that i think might be the most important thing because

04:03:48.580 that is allowing them to overcome that and go back to a position of creativity and stop themselves

04:03:53.900 from being haggard and depressed and strangled that's a big deal i really think it's a big deal

04:03:58.440 and then the second one is understanding that ubermensch project and more specifically that

04:04:03.940 kind of idea of like cultural idealism i think that's a really really important thing that a lot

04:04:08.820 of people like that when the rubber hits the road that's what's going to count fundamentally

04:04:12.700 and it's very very hard to to do that that's a very big task but that's the kind of thing that

04:04:20.120 we're looking for like a lot of people are waiting for a political leader and i i think a political

04:04:24.160 leader is going to be important at some point maybe many of them but we also do need like a

04:04:29.920 broad array of a thousand effective men punching at every single one of these corners all at once

04:04:36.180 because that's the type of thing that will just be overwhelming like no regime will be able to

04:04:40.060 to deal with something like this and i'm not even talking about some like political regime but like

04:04:43.400 a cultural paradigm will just get dissolved by a thousand men you know some dudes focused in the

04:04:49.300 health sphere some dudes focused on education some dudes focused on philosophy some dudes focused on

04:04:53.780 politics some dudes focused on art this type of like all penetrating focus on cultural excellence

04:04:59.580 in every square inch of western culture that's going to be the winning play you know that's

04:05:04.160 fundamentally what's going to make things like super comprehensive and so they'd be the two maybe

04:05:09.000 things I don't know.

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