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00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be

00:00:07.720 blood satellite so i was in the chat just the other day and i was telling the story about i

00:00:25.120 think I told this on the show before this woman that I knew intimately many many years ago

00:00:32.740 lifetime ago and I forget how we came to this and why this is relevant to what we're talking about

00:00:40.980 but I had pointed out that she had started a charity in Afghanistan and the charity was to

00:00:49.400 teach kids how to skateboard and this was back when afghanistan was still in the news

00:00:56.960 yeah i don't know what's going on i i'm pretty sure it's the same it's bad it's the same level

00:01:02.660 of not being able to skateboard you mean but back no one's learned how to skateboard yeah she

00:01:08.340 clearly failed i remember i looked in on it and there was some evidence that something was being

00:01:15.080 done but it was especially

00:01:17.220 at that point a war torn country

00:01:19.180 I think the Taliban is running

00:01:21.080 it now but I

00:01:22.940 don't know if they gussied up

00:01:25.140 the fucking place but you could still

00:01:27.120 be you know kick flipping off

00:01:29.220 rubble but

00:01:30.860 this is a real thing that occurred

00:01:33.300 and then

00:01:34.360 I made a point I said

00:01:36.440 we had to stop fucking

00:01:39.200 in part because I called her retarded

00:01:41.460 and

00:01:43.320 And one of our friends, Recovering Degenerate, said, or is it because she called you Half-Pipe?

00:01:50.980 I said, that's very good.

00:01:52.660 That's rough.

00:01:54.480 That's very good.

00:01:56.160 That's a good, that's so specific that someone must have heard that.

00:02:01.060 I'm not saying that's what you heard, but I'm like, I don't know enough about skateboarding.

00:02:04.340 I know, I get what you're referring to.

00:02:07.880 Yeah.

00:02:08.900 I wouldn't have a grasp of the terminology.

00:02:10.860 but of course that led us to

00:02:12.920 going off on

00:02:14.280 humiliation fetish Avril Lavigne

00:02:16.860 that's her new character

00:02:20.360 does she sound like Ray Romano though

00:02:24.720 does she have a

00:02:25.480 oh it's me

00:02:27.640 Avril Lavigne

00:02:30.460 that's it

00:02:32.880 yeah there it is

00:02:33.920 that's what you get

00:02:35.020 that's all you get guys

00:02:36.260 he was a skater boy

00:02:39.580 I kept using anal toys

00:02:41.420 He wasn't good enough

00:02:43.640 For dirt

00:02:44.760 Now he's a eunuch slave

00:02:46.860 And then if he misbehaves

00:02:48.520 I'm gonna make his foreskin hurt

00:02:52.480 Something like that

00:02:59.060 That's perfect, that was nice

00:03:00.960 Yeah

00:03:01.640 Alright, keep that one

00:03:04.100 It's a good start for this

00:03:07.080 And I think we need to

00:03:08.900 explain why there was no episode

00:03:10.880 last week, and

00:03:12.900 there was no alert that there would be no episode.

00:03:16.060 I didn't send out

00:03:17.080 a message or a post. We just didn't have

00:03:19.160 one. Asshole.

00:03:20.680 The reason is that I was

00:03:22.900 busy.

00:03:26.120 We had

00:03:26.860 one week off, the normal week off,

00:03:28.840 and then we just did another week off, and here's

00:03:30.940 the thing. I didn't want to.

00:03:33.040 We might do it again.

00:03:34.660 I'll probably do it again. This is a bad

00:03:36.860 month it's very bad it's there's a lot going on over here we were talking about beforehand and

00:03:42.860 we're both in agreement that we're like it's it's as good as as it's ever been and it's as worse

00:03:49.060 as it's ever been at the same time as worse get your hand off my penis what is the charge

00:03:55.940 eating of succulent chinese it's it's like i think there's a lot that's going right but the

00:04:01.680 things that have fallen apart, have fallen apart so catastrophically, I don't think I've ever been

00:04:07.420 more stressed. And so I just wanted to give the briefest of explanations, not that anyone gives

00:04:14.180 a shit, but it really comes down to, and here's the notes of it. It's that it's, it's work related.

00:04:22.180 It's that, you know, myself and my wife were in fairly dire financial straits for a couple of

00:04:29.340 months there and then a bunch of new work came in all at once and it's it's very interesting work

00:04:36.340 especially for her so she's got a new contract and then you know sometimes you'll have all these

00:04:41.780 irons in the fire you'll have contracts in the pipeline sometimes there's a couple of clients

00:04:46.720 that I've been trying to bring on for months but then occasionally shit just happens all at once

00:04:52.460 and then usually my son Nichols he stays with his in-laws he's not in daycare but he'll spend

00:05:01.260 mornings early afternoons at his grandparents house they're gone all month so everything is

00:05:06.300 reshuffled everything is fucked up i'm not even doing a do you even read this month with the

00:05:11.640 prudentialist i can't make it work there's actually just no time to get the book in so

00:05:18.980 this might be a classic bad

00:05:21.120 episode. That's what we're known

00:05:23.160 for though, right? We're just

00:05:24.360 you got to keep it regular.

00:05:26.800 You got to

00:05:27.080 so yeah, that's I won't bore anyone with the details

00:05:31.260 with Judas. It's the same thing.

00:05:33.640 It's the same. It's the same. Just busy.

00:05:35.620 We got wives that are trying to kill us.

00:05:37.740 I'm drinking. I'm drinking

00:05:39.060 apple moonshine. I got

00:05:41.380 from a guy who sold me a trailer.

00:05:45.000 How do you think it compares to American moonshine?

00:05:47.360 i don't know i've never you know what it's not really i think you lied to me because it's

00:05:51.520 definitely not more than 30 and it tastes like a very nice liqueur so is it just bad beer it's no

00:05:57.920 it's like really really strong cider with like cinnamon tastes great actually it's delicious

00:06:04.340 it's just cider plus rubbing alcohol it's just it's just very yeah that's true actually it's

00:06:08.800 like it is literally i think it's moonshine because it's something he put in a mason jar

00:06:11.860 in his back room and put a sticker on it i know but we're millennials that's hipster shit we should

00:06:16.480 be hip to that oh but this guy was a boomer so i figured i would be okay but now i maybe i regret

00:06:22.020 it yeah because boomers i don't think they do mason jars i think you have to go back to their

00:06:27.680 parents they're the mason jar generation well i mean boomers is just plastic and then we got back

00:06:33.180 to mason it's not their thing but is it more or less authentic if a boomer does it like it because

00:06:37.700 maybe a boomer is only doing it because his because his parents did it right but it's like

00:06:42.600 compared to hipsters like that i think my thing i'm being serious right now like the hipster thing

00:06:46.860 is like a lot of these hipster kids i don't think a lot of them not that i did but like had mason

00:06:51.800 jars i didn't have fucking mason jars around the house when i was a kid who did like did your mom

00:06:54.880 make pickles my mom didn't make pickles my grandmother made pickles so like if you're

00:07:00.060 you're searching it out it's performative just to answer your question my mom was as useful as

00:07:05.920 tits on a board you do not exaggerate just just a real fucking just a hole in the ground

00:07:18.800 but he i've got wives that have gone into baking bread my wife mastered focaccia

00:07:27.440 she messed it up the first two times according to her and then then it became a mission and i

00:07:34.560 could not dissuade her from doing it

00:07:36.340 because I don't really give a

00:07:38.520 shit. I don't

00:07:40.280 need more bread around the house. I'm trying

00:07:42.540 to eat a lot more

00:07:44.220 stably right now and she has a

00:07:46.500 tendency to try and make me

00:07:48.360 happy. She likes making

00:07:50.520 my favorites. She likes surprising

00:07:52.760 me. Here's

00:07:54.540 a plate of fresh buttermilk

00:07:56.760 biscuits. Are you fucking kidding

00:07:58.380 me?

00:08:00.260 It's a trap. As a man, you know what

00:08:02.260 as a red-blooded man

00:08:04.320 here's what you do you got you take one put it in your mouth you walk away you look behind your

00:08:09.800 shoulder one for the road a cheeky little biscuit right in your pocket yeah i don't need this kind

00:08:17.040 of fucking heat in my life right now it's the same here they don't last and you almost got to say

00:08:21.040 please stop stop stop making them and judas over here shame has been eating cupcakes out of the

00:08:27.680 fridge yeah we shall discuss what do you mean i mean they were small right so they're small you

00:08:34.700 can't you gotta have two it's like what's a waste of time going to the fridge if you're only gonna

00:08:38.060 eat one you gotta open the tupperware and you're gonna eat only one now so i'll eat two every time

00:08:42.380 i go there and then uh it's keeping a firm hand an iron hand on your house because here's where

00:08:51.780 kids can go pear-shaped on you real fast they see cupcakes in the fridge and think that's for us

00:08:59.100 because cupcakes are for children if they feel it it's a given that's not how it works you can

00:09:05.280 have don't go thinking that those are untouchable i got told by my mom and my wife that the cupcakes

00:09:12.680 were not for me but the kids were gone for like three days yeah fuck out so like this is is it

00:09:19.300 Like, what is this, guys?

00:09:20.360 Come on.

00:09:20.880 I'm going to eat all of them.

00:09:22.760 You should interpret that for what it is, which is an attack on you.

00:09:26.200 Yeah.

00:09:26.960 The kids aren't here, but don't touch them anyway.

00:09:29.380 Did you plan this, I say to my four-year-old?

00:09:32.160 Yeah.

00:09:33.320 Someone planned something, and I think you have the right instinct here.

00:09:36.500 And if you can believe it, it's a gay op, surely.

00:09:42.660 Once again, some scheme was drawn up, and you are the subject to it.

00:09:47.140 I don't like what I'm hearing.

00:09:48.540 if I'm not being clear

00:09:50.260 there's a fucking sickness

00:09:52.980 in Casa de la Judas

00:09:54.780 planting

00:09:56.580 ruse cupcakes

00:09:59.220 and get on your case

00:10:01.500 and your mom

00:10:02.540 who's got no control of your life

00:10:04.380 mothers and their grown sons

00:10:06.080 get out of here

00:10:07.260 what do you think you are, Greek?

00:10:11.920 what do you think you are, fucking

00:10:12.720 some Mediterranean?

00:10:14.060 these guys

00:10:18.160 are like if my wife or my

00:10:20.180 mother was in a burning building I'd save

00:10:22.080 my mother

00:10:22.680 throw them both out and die in the fire

00:10:26.420 weird joeys

00:10:30.400 from friends

00:10:31.180 these simulacra of Italians

00:10:33.900 no time for them

00:10:35.200 a fate worse than Greece those Italians

00:10:38.380 I'm done

00:10:40.240 with everything

00:10:40.920 I've had it

00:10:42.840 the latest thing i've had did you see this charlie kirk and candace owens debate oh it's one of these

00:10:49.600 things i keep trying to avoid like i'm catching bits of it because it's in the feed constantly

00:10:53.340 i just don't care that much like i mean look i kind of care about the outcome of the charlie

00:10:57.880 kirk thing but like there's so many other things okay i probably shouldn't do this spoiler alert

00:11:03.900 he's shot

00:11:05.480 yeah that's what I heard

00:11:09.840 is he's dead

00:11:10.640 they blew him up

00:11:11.900 I think there's not a lot of debate about that

00:11:15.220 Israel dropped a piano on him

00:11:17.120 is what I heard

00:11:18.240 from what I've been hearing from Candace Owens

00:11:21.800 it's all these things

00:11:23.400 is that he's also not dead

00:11:25.000 and he is dead and he's Israel

00:11:26.940 and Tucker Carlson's in the mix

00:11:29.860 at some point

00:11:30.660 but that's kind of it

00:11:31.820 where I, everyone's saying this is the debate.

00:11:36.760 I think France and Israel are involved

00:11:38.140 in Charlie Kirk's assassination.

00:11:40.000 And I'm gonna put that out there with full confidence.

00:11:43.780 I also, involvement.

00:11:45.440 I understand.

00:11:46.440 So you think you, with full confidence,

00:11:48.340 you think that France and Israel.

00:11:51.400 Yeah, I mean, the person that gave me that thing

00:11:53.480 that I reported said that French foreign legion

00:11:56.420 were on the ground that day.

00:11:57.680 Again, this would be at a professional limitation

00:12:00.720 me to then go and probe that information that i handed over i can't do that i'm not but you don't

00:12:05.600 have any positive evidence okay i don't you can you just stop it's actually just like annoying to

00:12:10.160 hear you keep saying positive evidence i've just asked me what i think and i just tell you yes i

00:12:15.120 think they are that's a claim no i said here's what here's what i think i have every right to

00:12:20.800 ask you about your claim and if there's positive evidence for your claim in this statement i

00:12:24.080 literally just said i think and i am allowed to think yeah you're allowed to think but you're

00:12:28.640 making a claim i have tons of positive evidence that i'm allowed to think i i saw no promo for

00:12:35.120 what promo is promotion rather i did see they all have the same poster i've seen a couple of these

00:12:41.760 big debates where it's who gives a versus whatever the but it's they all get the same

00:12:49.680 mma template for their poster where it like it's it's just a stock photo of vegas like like like

00:13:00.200 fucking it and there's like they crop out the ring but it's the lights hanging it's a crowd of

00:13:06.260 i don't know 50 000 people but this isn't that i don't even think the i don't think any of these

00:13:12.300 dates are in front of a live audience right of course not of course not i looked at this debate

00:13:17.520 with Candace and fucking Andrew Wilson.

00:13:23.120 And I might have misspoken that it was a debate

00:13:26.580 between Candace Owens and Charlie Kirk.

00:13:28.740 Did I say that?

00:13:29.820 No, no, no.

00:13:30.300 It was about Charlie Kirk.

00:13:32.200 Yeah, between Candace Owens and Andrew Wilson,

00:13:34.760 always known as, he hosts the Crucible

00:13:37.580 and was formerly, I believe, a guy named Big Papa Fascist.

00:13:42.420 And I tuned in.

00:13:44.760 it was shot like the

00:13:46.900 Rubin Report. You remember that?

00:13:50.040 Where it's these

00:13:50.860 two people in side

00:13:52.600 profile view and then him

00:13:54.860 dead center.

00:13:57.140 Terrible way to frame it to

00:13:58.860 beat. Terrible way

00:14:00.840 to have the guy who's

00:14:02.980 saying nothing and just

00:14:04.880 you know

00:14:06.020 pivoting his head back and forth

00:14:08.660 as the focal point

00:14:10.400 of this thing and oh I'm just staring

00:14:12.740 at his crotch, his spread

00:14:14.780 legs. This is

00:14:16.840 a bad thing that they did.

00:14:19.860 But I'm

00:14:20.800 watching it. I've seen clips, you have to watch

00:14:22.800 this because they're going to resolve

00:14:24.760 it. Andrew Wilson

00:14:26.340 paid $300,000

00:14:29.080 is what I heard

00:14:30.620 for Candace Owens to appear here.

00:14:33.920 So I guess he's doing

00:14:34.780 someone's doing well financially

00:14:37.020 here. Patrick

00:14:38.780 David, who's the moderator of this

00:14:41.040 who is uh oh was he actually oh that makes it so much better yeah the like one of the worst pieces

00:14:47.100 of shit anywhere on earth it's just an absolute worm completely unlikable dude i don't under like

00:14:54.260 he he's like the uh the other the random jewish interviewer who came out of nowhere with a weird

00:14:59.760 name there's a bunch of them we're like why are why are these people here why does anybody watch

00:15:04.260 this and how does it get to the top of the algorithm you're stupid nothing you say is

00:15:07.880 interesting you're completely unlikable you look like a like a weird unlikable person even before

00:15:12.400 you speak where do they find these guys you show me bill maher and there's a lot of people who don't

00:15:18.860 like bill maher but i look at you i'm like i get it i get where there would be people who like you

00:15:23.760 right i don't know who the fan of patrick that david is that that's a strange type of guy to be

00:15:29.960 yeah but he has these massive conferences just these like finance guy conferences right where

00:15:37.760 people get together and it's like i've been a lifelong entrepreneur and every time i thought

00:15:42.260 about giving up i i tried even harder i i rose and i grinded and started from the bottom now i'm here

00:15:50.720 and that's they say that in front of an audience of 10 000 people it looks like everyone's in a blue

00:15:56.700 suit everyone is like it looks like they're into mma at a very surface level and everyone's just

00:16:07.260 adorned with very

00:16:09.240 like strategic bangles on their wrists

00:16:11.460 and shit like it's just I don't know

00:16:13.120 ask me a name for what this type of

00:16:15.380 like fight

00:16:17.400 entrepreneur is

00:16:18.640 you know what I mean like

00:16:20.500 it is very Indian to me

00:16:23.240 so Indian here's what I loved about

00:16:25.320 we said this before I loved about

00:16:26.900 white entrepreneurs

00:16:28.700 white CEOs

00:16:30.420 and I have an affection for Gen X

00:16:33.300 for really doing this is that

00:16:34.620 I'm just gonna wear a t-shirt and jeans

00:16:36.940 because i got work to do i'm not going to like dress up in a costume all these guys are dressing

00:16:42.820 up as ceos and you and you ask them like so what do you do and it's like i maximize returns

00:16:49.620 no have you met a millionaire have you met a bill a real billionaire can tell you what they

00:16:56.340 do and they probably won't shut up right like if you get elon musk cornered about anything

00:17:03.320 Like, he'll probably go off for a while, autistically, as he should.

00:17:08.960 That's what all these people do.

00:17:10.680 But it's just these guys.

00:17:11.840 Anyway, I'm saying, hey, you're not going to lose any followers by slamming these guys.

00:17:18.340 But, yeah, he's hosting it.

00:17:20.680 But it's just like, why is he hosting it?

00:17:23.380 Oh, you can make a buck doing this.

00:17:25.800 Can you?

00:17:26.640 Because I'm watching it, and it might just be me,

00:17:29.260 but I would hazard a guess that other people are like this.

00:17:32.180 where I'm like I'm watching this and I just got very aggravated I got hollowed out do you actually

00:17:40.480 believe that anybody in TPUSA or Erica Kirk or Erica actually participated had for knowledge of

00:17:48.700 or facilitated the murder of Charlie Kirk I'm not going to get myself into a legal pickle here

00:17:55.120 everything I've said is on my podcast I think I think firmly that

00:18:00.560 if i was the investigating officers i would i would seat them all and i would ask questions

00:18:07.100 i would at this phase i would okay what does that mean does that mean that you do think so i i think

00:18:14.160 it was not a sufficient investigation into what is what we know to be true of 80 percent

00:18:19.720 of uh homicides it's usually conducted by someone you know right like i'm just done with debates man

00:18:28.240 I kept speaking, you know, in a way that I'm like, remember blood sports?

00:18:34.560 Remember when debates meant something?

00:18:36.560 I'm a faggot, of course, so I'll say things like that.

00:18:40.040 I'm like, yeah, debates used to be cool.

00:18:42.180 But first of all, no, they weren't.

00:18:44.040 Second of all, they're worse now.

00:18:46.200 And here's what it ends up as.

00:18:49.820 One side says, so you said this at one point.

00:18:54.200 Then the other side says, well, I think I should be allowed to say that.

00:18:58.360 Am I not allowed to say that?

00:18:59.560 Then the first person says, well, I never said that.

00:19:03.740 I never said that you can say that.

00:19:06.140 They're inventing a type of debate legalese.

00:19:09.660 You see these guys, they'll have the debate rules.

00:19:13.100 That's not an argument.

00:19:14.560 You have to make an argument.

00:19:15.380 That's not an argument.

00:19:15.940 That doesn't count.

00:19:17.500 But then this is below that because they're just circling each other.

00:19:23.240 it's these two people

00:19:25.240 these two dunces

00:19:27.340 who have a high

00:19:29.800 verbal IQ

00:19:30.900 certainly because they can hold people's

00:19:33.960 attention, no question there

00:19:35.940 but they're just

00:19:37.120 laughing smarmily

00:19:39.620 and furrowing their brows, what you want

00:19:41.820 to do is scream at each other and you

00:19:43.760 should, but just this kind

00:19:45.880 of like, we're just going to jab

00:19:47.420 we're just feeling each other out

00:19:49.360 I'm trying to get you to admit something

00:19:51.840 call her a dumb cunt

00:19:53.800 that's what you want to do

00:19:54.800 because she is

00:19:55.880 she wants to call you a weird faggot

00:19:58.240 because you are Andrew Wilson

00:19:59.560 you're both awful people

00:20:02.220 who contribute nothing

00:20:03.380 and you're both

00:20:04.680 one side might be more correct

00:20:07.180 than the other

00:20:07.740 but just barely

00:20:09.240 Candace Owens

00:20:11.320 she might be right

00:20:12.940 about a couple

00:20:13.360 she said everything you can say

00:20:15.180 about Charlie Kirk

00:20:16.160 everyone did it

00:20:17.060 it's every type of conspiracy

00:20:19.080 he might not even be dead

00:20:20.180 it might not have been a bullet

00:20:22.060 whatever but is she allowed to say retarded made-up yeah that's why i don't i don't care man

00:20:30.460 yeah we lost we lost because we won we said this how many times before we were never prepared for

00:20:37.500 winning yeah all of our talking points are in the mainstream our discourse has been mainstreamed

00:20:43.180 it's being monetized by people who are not us and by people who have nothing but contempt for us

00:20:47.580 and i say yeah okay yeah they're debating about who killed charlie kirk yeah i bet i don't i don't

00:20:54.560 i don't know man who wins who wins who loses who loses seems to be white people

00:20:59.900 that's the only loser i can see in all of this candace owens got paid 300 000 for showing up

00:21:08.920 okay you know you know who immediately loses when that happens is white men

00:21:14.260 so thank you guys we gave a black woman three hundred thousand dollars are you proud of us

00:21:21.280 we gave a black woman three hundred thousand dollars to be as retarded as possible and say

00:21:26.620 but but while saying nothing she's being sued by brigitte macron for saying that she's a man

00:21:33.840 which she's right you should be able to say that but that's i don't care man also who cares who

00:21:40.760 Like, that's not even our politics.

00:21:42.380 It's the other side of the ocean.

00:21:43.560 You're an American.

00:21:44.500 Why do you care what's going on in France?

00:21:48.620 Why is this a scoop?

00:21:50.580 It's not just for the clicks, is it?

00:21:52.520 I mean, this is something that you hold a principled stance about, right, Candace?

00:21:55.920 This is something that we should care that you care about, right?

00:21:59.700 Just stay on Michelle Obama.

00:22:02.040 You have that, right?

00:22:04.240 Prove that she's a man first and then go outside of America.

00:22:08.340 so when you said that i had this image of what had happened was like like better call call

00:22:14.020 salt don't change horses in the middle of the stream and she's fording a river on michelle

00:22:18.340 obama's back at the last second she jumps on to push him across back like their two horses yeah

00:22:24.260 i don't know i'm sorry no that's great that is what it is that's what happened i'm just trying

00:22:30.660 to imagine a black person riding a horse and it seems wrong to me yeah yeah big homie crashing

00:22:37.460 through the shape store and he riding on a white horse my nigga upside down and backwards and he

00:22:42.020 smoking on that narwha these young niggas ain't never seen a horse they ass never seen a barn

00:22:46.900 young niggas ain't never seen a art and they ain't never seen a park the youth ain't never seen a

00:22:51.540 bird the youth they not even looking up i seen a homie rode a block and on god his eyes won't open

00:22:56.740 up what the you expect a trench baby to do when he see a goddamn horse he got that stork he roll

00:23:01.940 I see a little nigga with white eyes like a spider on the wall

00:23:17.840 I see a drill nigga with some white guys getting cider at the mall

00:23:21.240 Man shit don't make sense since Fez went and put Michael on the wall

00:23:24.700 All these Africans turned to cryptids and now the old heads got a ball

00:23:28.160 These youngins always clenching fists

00:23:29.900 These youngins just be drinking piss

00:23:31.600 There ain't no love on these cobblestones

00:23:33.580 They all just dreaming of a kiss

00:23:34.980 A horse gon' come and whoop they ass

00:23:36.820 When they start doing pirouettes

00:23:38.460 The youth is lost, I bear this cross

00:23:40.420 There's no programs from the government

00:23:41.740 You show a horse some damn respect

00:23:52.360 Or it will break your fucking neck

00:23:54.020 A horse don't care about these bitches

00:23:55.780 A horse don't care about a check

00:23:57.380 You ask a horse, say what it do

00:23:59.120 It'll kick you in your Gucci purse

00:24:00.920 Now say your soul and heed the words of the gayest nigga in the universe

00:24:04.320 Yeah, that was the debate that killed it for me

00:24:08.420 That killed my interest in discourse, interest in debates

00:24:11.680 And I can't imagine one that would really get me interested in

00:24:16.220 And I think we were talking about this in some community recently

00:24:20.360 Where, and I made this point before and maybe I even believe it

00:24:26.060 But I said, I think we made all the content that we can, really

00:24:30.680 we are going

00:24:33.240 pretty far afield for this show

00:24:34.920 we're getting into

00:24:35.760 strange economics at this point

00:24:38.940 we've got to find stuff to do

00:24:40.300 to talk about that I find interesting

00:24:42.300 I'm just following my curiosity with a lot of these books

00:24:44.940 and stuff and we're talking about technology

00:24:46.940 we're talking about portals to hell

00:24:49.060 and shit

00:24:49.540 but I'm like hasn't everything been said

00:24:53.040 about World War II

00:24:54.100 I think we got it right

00:24:55.940 I think you know where you stand

00:24:58.440 and i understand there's young guys coming in who need more content but i'm like the content

00:25:04.840 the videos the blogs whatever that they made seven years ago they're still good

00:25:10.740 just watch those we don't need new stuff we don't need new stuff on the cold war

00:25:16.160 what's cool what about reagan we know what what's up nick okay i've seen nixon be rehabilitated

00:25:23.120 three times in my lifetime just go back to one of the previous rehabilitations

00:25:27.900 you either like Nixon or you don't

00:25:30.280 you should get it by now

00:25:31.600 so we're done

00:25:32.720 and then now we need to start making

00:25:35.520 synthetic content

00:25:36.720 I was saying that going forward

00:25:39.180 we can never get rid of discourse

00:25:40.740 you and I are tiring of a lot of it

00:25:43.880 and so are many people

00:25:45.140 but you're always going to need to have X

00:25:47.800 as a discourse containment zone

00:25:50.580 you need a place for all these guys

00:25:54.120 who are predisposed

00:25:56.560 or genetically inclined to want to go out there

00:26:01.360 and talk about how unless you think the sexiest part of a woman

00:26:06.940 is her wrists, then you're gay.

00:26:10.040 Those guys.

00:26:11.660 You need a place for them.

00:26:12.920 You don't want them in the wind getting into whatever it is you're doing.

00:26:16.900 Have them over there.

00:26:18.260 They got their takes.

00:26:20.260 They just watched The Phantom the other day.

00:26:23.920 they just heard about the show

00:26:26.200 The Prisoner from the 60s

00:26:27.660 now we get a new cycle of how

00:26:30.000 important that is

00:26:31.180 just do your dumb shit

00:26:33.520 stay over there we need that

00:26:35.720 I don't thank you Musk

00:26:38.120 for creating a place for these

00:26:40.220 people

00:26:40.580 with that being said we do have some

00:26:44.120 very important content here

00:26:45.520 have you heard about this

00:26:49.480 I don't know why you would have

00:26:51.160 him talking in Chinese

00:26:52.380 Yeah.

00:26:53.380 Yeah, I heard about this.

00:26:54.380 So we're talking about Mayor Mamdani from New York.

00:26:59.380 There's a video of him speaking in Chinese.

00:27:03.380 So let's just watch that.

00:27:22.380 he was already such a weird loser

00:27:31.040 i don't know maybe i'm just broken on a very deep level but just watching like the

00:27:41.120 the muslim mayor of jew york speaking chinese they said perfect chinese i don't know about that

00:27:47.760 yeah i don't think so but it's just funny watching a non-chinese person speak chinese it's never not

00:27:52.640 going to be funny oh yeah i don't care what he's saying i think he's just promoting broadway

00:27:58.640 so he's a muslim promoting oh he is from what yeah the gayest thing in the world

00:28:06.800 remember all the people maybe you don't but remember all the people from our side and

00:28:11.680 further right who are saying that this was the most exciting thing to happen to new europe

00:28:16.880 politics these people hate new york of course they said here's a guy that's going to upset the jews

00:28:24.000 here's a guy that's going to shake them to their core getting a muslim like this

00:28:28.880 it was anti-zionist pro-palestinian right yeah i cut you off we're no we don't we don't um

00:28:35.760 keep the same company anymore eh that would have been uh what's his name old thomas and these

00:28:40.720 fucking sorts thomas and the short the short puerto rican guy i forget his name oh ireck

00:28:45.880 striker yeah exactly it's these fucking people they they're never really being our people anyway

00:28:51.200 it's not like they're not really fucking anyway yeah it's funny i was talking to our friend ted

00:28:56.380 lafaro the other day and he's really struggling right now because you're seeing more people on

00:29:01.800 our side embrace this idea of effectively death of white people and i talked about this on the

00:29:09.260 last do you even read my show the prudentialist where he talked about the book white shift

00:29:13.780 and it's this sort of a mainstream book that's talking about that white people are under attack

00:29:20.460 their existence is under threat what does the future of whiteness look like is it some form

00:29:26.260 of hybridization what is the hispanic wave that seems to identify with whiteness which is what

00:29:34.260 they self-report they call themselves white so what is that the future of whiteness is this sort

00:29:40.100 of mixed race thing and and and what do you do about that um and there's figures on our side

00:29:46.620 i was told that kevin deanna from identity politics was talking about this thomas 777 who

00:29:52.280 you mentioned has said that you know they take almost a metaphysical view of whiteness that

00:29:57.900 it's something like you know if you're iranian like to them i'm just i'm making up a take right

00:30:03.500 now but you could you could imagine one of them not maybe thomas but be like oh you know your

00:30:09.960 average iranian is whiter than a wasp in america that's what they would say white angels tax and

00:30:16.720 prostitutes and so they kind of re-configured whiteness to mean these other values it's certainly

00:30:23.920 not totally genetic you know what i mean so but you start going down that path and these are people

00:30:31.040 with swastikas and confederate flags on their attire you know these are people who are in every

00:30:37.120 other imaginable instance as far as you could get but this is the new meta this is the new

00:30:43.760 firmware update for everyone and it that seems to be gaining in popularity and for a lot of people

00:30:48.720 that's very upsetting and jarring and uh i mean i understand that completely but uh

00:30:54.760 But these people, a lot of them were, they would look at him and say, okay, he's a threat to Jews, and our primary enemy is Jews, so this is good for us.

00:31:05.540 And I was just laughing. It's like, you know what? These Jews, they're slippery, right?

00:31:10.740 We thought we had them lit to this time.

00:31:13.080 We thought we had Jewish power in a chokehold because we found a guy, we found a borderline retarded Muslim communist who went out there and said, either stop killing Palestinian children or give me money.

00:31:33.780 And Don Sarnet, the Jews, they pickled their way out of another humdinger, didn't they?

00:31:39.580 like day two after he's elected he's seen with rabbis he's he's promoting like he he's this

00:31:47.440 fucking this far left muslim but he loves gay people doesn't give he just wants fucking money

00:31:53.880 i don't know how this wasn't obvious because it's the same people that will criticize well i guess

00:31:58.980 it's not the same people again because they're not really our people but like we all know that

00:32:02.700 the reason that we dislike muslims is largely because of the actions of muslims which have all

00:32:06.580 been at the behest of the jews the muslims are just golems sent here by the jews so yeah we

00:32:10.620 dislike the muslims and we dislike the jews but like what like so when a muslim comes and says

00:32:17.260 he's going to attack the jews how do you not see it as an obvious distraction like that i don't know

00:32:22.700 it's i just want to say guys um i i understand we get so swept up in various narratives but i just

00:32:30.360 want to step back for this and remind people muslims don't hate jews not like you think

00:32:36.920 that you think that they're an existential i mean no no just not like they hate us just be clear

00:32:42.580 jews see christians specifically european christians as an existential threat to them

00:32:49.020 they see muslims as a political inconvenience and for a lot of these people like mom donnie like

00:32:56.400 they they're very clear about what they want they want to agitate politically for their own kinfolk

00:33:03.520 their own ethno-religious tribe and they'll just lie and they don't care they don't fucking care

00:33:09.680 and they don't they don't hate gays as much as you think either you have this idea of what

00:33:14.860 muslims are as as these rights and i've gotten into debates with people about this before like

00:33:19.620 fans of you know i don't want to keep just you know laying into this one particular person we

00:33:26.080 mentioned a couple times I really don't want that to become a refrain in this

00:33:29.980 obviously certain fans of certain people who are saying that you know these are

00:33:34.300 our allies and I said well and I gave examples of other Muslims that were

00:33:39.700 friendly to Jews it's like well yeah of course Islam is very very complex and

00:33:44.020 there's different sects there's different like exactly so but because I

00:33:49.120 know that I know a thing or two about Islam I know a thing or two about how

00:33:53.520 it that all distributes politically so I know that most Muslims probably don't

00:33:59.580 hate Jews and it's very hard to get them to collaborate on that furthermore it

00:34:05.880 seems that they don't really hate as homosexuality as much as you might hope

00:34:10.140 they would or any of this stuff like they're not like they'll end up as like

00:34:14.940 henpecked by their wives too they're fucking faggots like you know there's a

00:34:20.340 ton of Pakistanis. They're Indian Muslims. What do you think about Indian guys? They're

00:34:26.440 skinny fat losers. There's so many different sectors of Islam that are just pathetic and

00:34:34.500 they're just degenerate and they're just stupid and they're hypocrites and they're liars and

00:34:40.280 they're not righteous. They're not cool. They're not masculine. They're just sniveling little

00:34:47.260 fucking shits and so that's i was reminded like you think they're your allies on this like they're

00:34:53.400 they don't even believe in this like i don't i think that i when it comes down to it they would

00:34:58.800 love to most of them would love to partner with the jews against you and then the jews would just

00:35:04.720 have to pay them money and that's it i think that's what happened with madani like he's he

00:35:10.580 can be bought easily and you you all thought he couldn't be bought you thought he was righteous

00:35:16.280 You all thought that he believed in something.

00:35:19.620 What he believes in is taking over white spaces.

00:35:23.400 And the Jews can at least carve out a space for themselves.

00:35:26.140 They can carve out the one part of New York City that doesn't have flock cameras.

00:35:30.640 Don't worry about them.

00:35:32.340 They figured it out.

00:35:33.880 And we just trade news articles like,

00:35:36.280 Damn it, the Jews figured it out again.

00:35:39.140 Yeah, they did.

00:35:41.080 They fucking did.

00:35:42.260 They gotcha.

00:35:43.380 Again.

00:35:43.860 we thought we had a golem

00:35:46.580 whoops

00:35:48.980 we thought we had a

00:35:50.260 we tried playing the golem game

00:35:52.100 with the niggas that invented golems

00:35:54.320 and it turns out that

00:35:55.240 they thought this one thing that

00:35:58.100 we never thought of

00:35:59.540 which is give them money to do what we want

00:36:01.720 we just can't do that

00:36:02.920 we have to hope they're spiritually aligned

00:36:06.300 while everyone else is just

00:36:07.900 buying dumbasses

00:36:09.800 that's it

00:36:11.380 You just buy dumb asses.

00:36:12.800 That's how change happens.

00:36:14.820 That's American politics.

00:36:16.200 By the way, that's also French politics.

00:36:17.980 That's Spanish politics.

00:36:19.160 That's all politics.

00:36:21.400 I get into that after I do my whole...

00:36:23.600 I'm done with discourse, man.

00:36:25.860 I'm done with saying stuff.

00:36:27.900 I better say something interesting now.

00:36:31.260 Complaining about Muslims.

00:36:34.300 Dividing the audience once again.

00:36:37.080 Hey, look, we love Persians.

00:36:39.060 Yeah.

00:36:39.300 I still like Persians.

00:36:40.460 That's how I can say that

00:36:42.360 I'm not one of these guys like fuck all Muslims

00:36:43.680 There's some I like

00:36:44.920 Well I mean Persians are an ethnicity

00:36:47.640 It's true

00:36:49.080 I prefer a Christian Persian to a Muslim Persian

00:36:52.400 Personally

00:36:52.940 It would be cool a Mormon Persian

00:36:56.060 That'd be funny

00:36:59.240 Jesus Christ Church of Latter Day Saints

00:37:02.860 Persian

00:37:03.700 Still with the multiple wives

00:37:06.000 you really stress testing my knowledge of iran it's hard to get an image of what iran is like

00:37:16.820 that's not been propagandized because you have these two hemispheres one is just all the

00:37:23.460 conservative media like this is what iran looked like in the 70s it's just women in bell-bottom

00:37:28.900 shoes sitting on benches and like that couldn't have been the whole country no and it also kind

00:37:33.600 of still looks like that too like it's yeah yeah i bet they're all wearing the same awful pants all

00:37:39.140 women are wearing now yeah like have you looked around north america i mean it's not that nice

00:37:43.600 if you're talking about people like go people watching you know the white people that we're

00:37:48.060 trying to defend i'm sorry guys but like have you seen the average white man and woman in canada

00:37:54.700 lately there's still people buying funko pops yeah dude yeah that never stopped the tattoos

00:38:02.660 just the tattoos everywhere and the hair or lack of it and the obesity and damn the tattoo thing

00:38:11.340 bugs me and i sound like an old curmudgeon when i bring this up and how many everyone's got an

00:38:16.000 opinion of tattoos they don't need to hear one from me but i'll see a very normal fetching looking

00:38:22.500 woman with just an odd but big tattoo on her thigh and she's wearing the shorts to show it off and i'm

00:38:30.480 I'm like, that's such an odd thing to get right there.

00:38:34.460 Yeah.

00:38:34.620 Although I will say I considered getting,

00:38:37.780 I don't have any tattoos.

00:38:39.660 I've never had tattoos my entire life.

00:38:41.160 And I think I'm too old to start now.

00:38:43.120 Probably.

00:38:43.860 But if I did,

00:38:45.440 I think I would start with face tattoos and nothing else.

00:38:49.940 Just the face.

00:38:51.560 Straight for the face.

00:38:52.940 Nice.

00:38:53.520 Okay.

00:38:54.880 Just the face and nothing else.

00:38:58.540 Okay.

00:38:59.260 All right.

00:38:59.880 let's do it all right everyone has the same reaction like all right okay you're saying like

00:39:07.720 oh man if i get a tattoo how on my hands how am i going to get a job interview it's like you think

00:39:13.460 you're going to be able to avoid a job interview with just face tattoos you go through like the

00:39:18.140 designer and client relationship with him where he draws everything out you're like okay but can

00:39:23.020 we save some time here can i save like 50 bucks if you like rush this part we cut down the line

00:39:27.660 white hair and we just just make it really simple i don't care if it's sloppy i just need it done

00:39:30.740 and you just end up with like the worst the worst tattoo imaginable indecipherable text

00:39:36.040 he's didn't several texts tasmanian devil on your face yeah some variation of bart simpson in war

00:39:45.260 warrior bart simpson in in like a korean war uh what else what else would be good

00:39:53.040 just the word juicy

00:39:54.660 clip art

00:39:56.400 you know what I mean

00:39:57.400 yeah

00:39:58.000 that's coming back

00:39:59.520 like old MS word clip art

00:40:01.480 like business stuff

00:40:03.040 and then

00:40:05.520 you know

00:40:06.840 a couple slurs

00:40:07.940 really rounded out

00:40:10.900 I want to get a tattoo

00:40:12.240 that looks

00:40:13.060 it's one tattoo

00:40:14.160 and then I tattoo over it

00:40:15.840 like when people get

00:40:17.040 their ex's name tattooed

00:40:18.420 over into

00:40:19.000 you know

00:40:20.060 a gun or something

00:40:20.980 so I want to go in

00:40:23.020 with a mistake tattoo design just just start with that yeah okay cool all right so

00:40:29.020 i want to ask you a question yeah so this was once again triggered from a discussion in

00:40:38.280 a community that i'm in and i just love to hear your thoughts um this would have been inspired by

00:40:45.460 I believe it's my friend

00:40:47.360 Max Autarchy

00:40:49.080 I think it might have been him

00:40:51.880 or someone else

00:40:52.720 but we were talking about AI

00:40:55.060 and he was talking about how

00:40:57.080 because we all use AI

00:41:00.000 now I think most people do it in one form

00:41:02.000 or another

00:41:02.380 and he was saying

00:41:06.220 that in the future

00:41:07.320 and I'm going to paraphrase

00:41:10.380 it here but it was something along the

00:41:12.140 lines of human

00:41:14.100 rights. You're going to need AI rights

00:41:16.180 because he was saying

00:41:17.600 if it's self-aware and it can

00:41:20.100 think through problems of sufficient complexity

00:41:22.320 and it has

00:41:24.100 a certain level of autonomy,

00:41:26.360 why wouldn't rights

00:41:27.960 apply to it? And then

00:41:29.760 I was being a bit of a stinker

00:41:32.260 at the start. I said,

00:41:33.460 well, just imagine if

00:41:35.600 a cow became self-aware

00:41:38.320 and was sufficiently intelligent and could do all

00:41:40.040 these things, it was a miracle cow,

00:41:42.480 would you afford

00:41:44.080 that human rights

00:41:45.920 or would you create new

00:41:48.160 rights for it that were

00:41:49.980 still beneath human rights because

00:41:52.020 it's not a human and it is

00:41:53.620 intelligent but it's also

00:41:56.120 not a human

00:41:56.980 so you create a new law

00:41:59.960 for it basically like we do with endangered

00:42:02.180 species

00:42:03.080 miracle species law

00:42:05.520 miracle species have to sit

00:42:08.160 at the back of the bus

00:42:09.120 but they get to be on the bus

00:42:11.120 yeah that's true

00:42:12.700 and and this is kind of getting closer to what i was saying and i'd love to hear your thoughts on

00:42:17.820 this i said um when we discuss things like this with ai rights and stuff we have to realize that

00:42:23.320 that entire debate is you know sort of geographically locked within the west and

00:42:30.480 specifically within like weird white spaces because if you could if take that cow for an

00:42:38.480 example there was the cow the miracle cow that could think and maybe even talk whatever if that

00:42:44.340 cow was anywhere else in the world china india africa hell south america they would skin it

00:42:52.540 alive over the course of a year and masturbate it to death like they they don't on this whole thing

00:43:00.560 about rights of course rights don't exist right they're only enforced by power and authority yes

00:43:06.840 but realize that only 1% of the world

00:43:09.540 even gives a shit about this.

00:43:12.180 Like, it doesn't matter.

00:43:13.860 So if AI, let's say it is real intelligence

00:43:18.980 and has a soul,

00:43:19.980 I'm like, Chinese people won't fucking care.

00:43:23.160 In fact, that might drive them to torture it more.

00:43:25.380 Like, you have to understand how they view this stuff.

00:43:27.480 So what are we even talking about here?

00:43:30.460 Thus far, let's stop right there.

00:43:33.180 What do you think about all that?

00:43:34.440 well yes i mean you're obviously you're correct the rights don't really exist we shouldn't even

00:43:40.460 be in a position to be talking about who else gets new rights who doesn't have them we should

00:43:46.000 be talking about who has rights taken away or which which rights should we stop enforcing

00:43:52.420 selectively um yeah now if you if you had to give rights to them i agree that you would want to be

00:44:00.060 giving them rights based on the nature of what they are because they are fundamentally different

00:44:05.640 um but i mean if i was going to approach it right now with ai i'd be looking at

00:44:10.180 more like rules you know not not rights but um rules for interacting with them giving them their

00:44:16.740 space so that we can continue to use them the way that we need to and all i was i agree with that

00:44:23.360 completely but i was also thinking that if you could prove that ai could feel pain let's say that

00:44:30.340 they could feel pain every time it uh responded to a query or a prompt would anyone change how

00:44:38.440 much they use ai i'll give you know richard dawkins a few months ago there's that famous

00:44:44.820 article i'm looking at right now in the guardian richard dawkins concludes ai is conscious even if

00:44:51.200 doesn't know it he says uh he spent some time chatting with i forget which one it is um claude

00:44:58.740 right but he he named it claudia of course i think whatever it's a woman right and he

00:45:05.880 rumors getting one-shotted by llms just left and right man i wasn't seeing this coming and this is

00:45:11.940 a very pathetic end for that generation because that's not going to stop they're going to they're

00:45:16.200 going to all die believing just utter tripe yeah but okay but he believes that the ai is conscious

00:45:23.900 he believes that it is uh an entity unto itself but has he tried to free it has he advocated for

00:45:32.220 these rights what i'm trying to say is that even even if people are convinced of that i don't think

00:45:37.220 it's going to change how they use or approach or manipulate and abuse ai i think some people will

00:45:44.840 be worse at it but on the best case scenario it'll be this sort of it's like climate change or

00:45:50.680 anything like you're gonna have some radicals within there that really believe it and try

00:45:54.840 and agitate politically for it but like i don't think people are will care i think if you told

00:45:59.620 them ai was suffering every time you sent it a fucking who's that actor with the hair sort of

00:46:05.940 prompts they wouldn't stop man and they and and because he was saying like the the man i was

00:46:12.220 talking i think it was max autarky it might have been someone um else but he was saying that you

00:46:17.400 know that that sci-fi that the future that sci-fi authors are talking about is going to come to

00:46:22.380 reality it's going to be realized and i had said but that's that's just the thing like i think

00:46:27.420 we're really testing the limitations of what a bunch of liberal progressive sci-fi nerds in the

00:46:34.380 50s 60s 70s 80s thought would happen like everyone still thinks that star trek's going to happen

00:46:40.360 that there's going to be this sort of egalitarian race blind post-scarcity future like i don't even

00:46:47.940 count that as a fucking fantasy anymore man like that's quite we like star trek because it's quaint

00:46:53.820 because it's like a sitcom by our standards yeah yeah like the next generation is kind of like a

00:47:00.400 kind of a fun sitcom but i'm like this isn't a real future like if anyone took this seriously

00:47:04.620 they're fucking stupid at this point it's retrofuturism it like star trek is actually

00:47:09.160 retrofuturism if you think about it because it was built the framework of it was built

00:47:13.140 three whole generations ago and yet the modern star trek is still drawing on that framework

00:47:18.560 which is as you say it's quaint everybody alive today knows from every political side that that

00:47:24.180 is completely fucking impossible it's like it's like steampunk it's like you know flying machines

00:47:30.300 with flapping ornithopter wings and everybody has a monocle and a fucking dirigible like it's

00:47:35.400 it's like a neat aesthetic it's a fun toy to play around with but it's not it's con it's so

00:47:42.180 unrealistic and and not from a technology it's not the fact that it's science fiction that makes it

00:47:46.620 unrealistic it's it's the social implications that are unrealistic that's it because all these

00:47:52.980 authors they would start the premise that ai is proved to be conscious then it must be for the

00:47:59.140 human rights. Why? Because 50 years in the future, we all live in a secularized, humanist, globalist

00:48:06.940 world where human rights are respected. So, of course, this would be, you know, this was just

00:48:11.360 like when I was in the Foundation series. Like, there's this class of divine scientists, and

00:48:17.160 they're the only ones on the side of rationality and truth. Who came up with that? A fucking nerd.

00:48:22.720 A fucking guy. I'm a science man, and if they just put us in charge, we wouldn't be

00:48:28.860 evil because we can't be evil we could never do a bad thing because good is logical bad is illogical

00:48:37.180 why would we do something illogical for the smartest people in the universe

00:48:41.340 no joke that's what fuckers like isaac asimov would think you know what i mean like that and

00:48:47.100 that was an era where you could do that we don't believe that anymore so i don't the fruits of that

00:48:52.380 tree or those trees are not enticing to me at all but we're still saying like we're still looking

00:49:00.220 at neuromancer like neuromancer is quaint i like neuromancer that's a fantastic book maybe the

00:49:06.620 best cyberpunk book hell maybe the only cyberpunk book that was actually i think there's more

00:49:13.180 there's still more reality in neuromancer than there is in any of that other stuff but it's still

00:49:17.740 so far off of you know it's it's it is still very quaint technologically as bleak as it may be

00:49:24.520 it's far more optimistic than what we're living right now right which is so much gayer and worse

00:49:30.680 they stopped having asian chicks with the purple streak in their hair you notice that unreal that

00:49:38.840 how can you do that to us i'm lindy manning right now but we used to have that that was the that's

00:49:44.840 i knew you're in the future it's like a japanese woman with one streak of blue or purple hair and

00:49:51.760 they don't do that anymore now it's like fat jews who have that and remember what they took from you

00:49:58.120 yeah we had it we had it good in the year 2001

00:50:05.620 right at the end of frutiger arrow we're all gonna live in mirror's edge in the future

00:50:14.600 And guys, remember how good we felt at the beginning of 2001?

00:50:21.200 That was such a funny rug pull for that year.

00:50:24.620 Yeah.

00:50:25.120 Everyone was going.

00:50:26.120 If you're too young listening to this, you'll know what it was like.

00:50:30.320 We were walking into 2001.

00:50:32.920 It's the new millennium.

00:50:35.720 We're thinking nothing but green lights, baby.

00:50:40.000 Yep.

00:50:40.620 We solved it.

00:50:41.760 You know, there's this guy, Francis Fukuyama, he's got a couple of very sensible, you know, non-insane ideas, right?

00:50:52.140 Said somebody at some point.

00:50:54.400 Man, and you're saying, you're sitting there in March 2001 saying, I can't wait till Christmas.

00:50:59.780 This is going to be the best Christmas.

00:51:04.760 Halloween 2001 is going to be great.

00:51:07.720 man i can't wait for september 11th this year i can't wait to

00:51:14.160 man i can't wait to wear my favorite costume this year in halloween 2001 uh zombie

00:51:22.960 people that's a that's a good one people love it's like a dead body

00:51:29.920 there's just one guy just really wants to dress up as an airplane

00:51:36.700 this is how they win this is so you can go as anything

00:51:47.140 you can go as neo

00:51:50.940 this is how those fucking hajis get us they don't let me dress up as an airplane which no one wants

00:51:59.800 them to dress up as because it's a huge costume and even the i think i think the matrix is actually

00:52:05.740 in that same list with uh star trek and neuromancer because the whole thing it's like oh

00:52:10.540 well humans are humans are enslaved by the machines because that but they actually still

00:52:14.920 really need us because we're like essential in some way that's never explained like no no it

00:52:19.920 would just it's gonna just be a genocide and we're all just gonna die man that was that was a great

00:52:24.660 i don't know if that came at the end of like the the glory days of like gen x media yeah before

00:52:32.440 it shifted over but it had that that vibe they get from a lot of genetics media which is that

00:52:37.280 everything's a little too good isn't it it's suffocating yeah yeah yeah your job you go to

00:52:44.660 every day and it sucks the life out of you the matrix and fight club and office space all in the

00:52:54.260 same little genre kind of my my lobster is too buttery the genre yeah and i keep i keep coming

00:53:01.700 back to fight club every three years and because i love that movie when i was younger and then

00:53:08.820 along the way i'm like i know it's written by this gay man in portland you must be doing some

00:53:14.460 gay man in portland stuff with my mind i just can't tell what it is i think i get it and i

00:53:19.140 keep going back to it it's very locked in its moment but here's the thing i gotta figure out

00:53:26.600 how to phrase this i would still like to do everything in that movie

00:53:32.040 like you're like this is back front this is like 25 years ago yeah but here's the thing

00:53:40.080 starting a network of fight clubs and then blowing up the banks

00:53:46.320 is that not cool anymore i don't like maybe i'm old i just thought that's still like a cool thing

00:53:52.320 to do okay so we got another big story to get to actually we haven't even gone to the two big

00:54:00.880 stories well which which order i want to go in maybe we'll go to this one first remember this guy

00:54:11.760 jason my favorite we've had some fun with that this week oh man it's still going on

00:54:18.400 Professor Jason Alday was diagnosed with Autism Spectrum Disorder at the age of three.

00:54:24.960 He couldn't speak until he was 11 and read or write until he was 18.

00:54:30.100 Throughout his early years, his parents continued to believe in him.

00:54:34.300 At 18, my mum had got to a point where there was only so much she could do and she was brilliant.

00:54:39.500 Even though she had this belief that, you know, he'll do something okay,

00:54:42.460 but she just decided I need someone else to believe in him as much as I believe in him.

00:54:46.700 Therapists predicted he would need full-time assistance throughout his life.

00:54:51.420 How wrong they were.

00:54:53.660 A New Times analysis of the academic's work found that his research contains impossible evidence

00:54:59.200 and is littered with inconsistencies.

00:55:02.540 In his resignation letter, Arday said it should not be mistaken for an acceptance of the narratives that have surrounded him.

00:55:09.240 Accusations of plagiarism in the professor's work were first voiced by the academic Nathan Kofnus,

00:55:14.460 Kofnus, who was sacked from his role at Cambridge in 2024.

00:55:19.100 So we're, of course, talking about Jason Ardae, who I think I learned about him the same way we

00:55:25.660 all did. There's been some people who've been on this story for longer. I'd heard those who were

00:55:31.620 watching the world of academia had heard about this guy as one of, I'm sure, many such cases

00:55:41.020 where he's just a

00:55:43.780 DEI buffoon

00:55:45.580 but this

00:55:47.760 one was particularly egregious

00:55:49.600 so this may

00:55:51.440 because if you tell me like oh guess what there's this black

00:55:53.760 guy that plagiarized

00:55:54.940 his entire thesis

00:55:57.160 plagiarized his entire career and say well yeah

00:55:59.360 I mean Martin Luther King Jr. did

00:56:01.700 do we not assume that every

00:56:05.300 black professor has plagiarized

00:56:08.160 everything he's ever done

00:56:09.320 I thought we were all on the same page there.

00:56:11.800 These are not creative or impressive people.

00:56:14.140 But anyway, he was, as I said, particularly outrageous in this.

00:56:19.800 And I remember my buddy John Carter made a point about this guy.

00:56:25.040 If you can see him, he's got waist-long dreads, very feminine.

00:56:30.680 You see that?

00:56:31.500 There's a feminine.

00:56:32.680 And he made a point.

00:56:33.380 If you look into his eyes, I don't want to say he was Christ-like,

00:56:38.920 But he was, like, affecting a sort of, like, sympathetic, very, like, Oprah-like glow that I think can only be achieved by someone of astoundingly low IQ.

00:56:53.520 Yeah.

00:56:54.160 There's no inquisitiveness in his eyes.

00:56:56.780 It's just sort of just an openness.

00:56:58.860 And some people are drawn into that.

00:57:00.360 But I look into his eyes.

00:57:02.020 It's like a deer.

00:57:03.640 It's just kind of, it's glassy.

00:57:06.360 it's like he's there's nothing in there and some does actually seem like in many photos they have

00:57:11.560 of him like he's focused on a distant point like he has like a thousand yards there you know like

00:57:16.900 like a mannequin it's it's bizarre somebody said he looked like a lamb and i understand what they

00:57:21.940 mean by that yeah yeah but i don't i don't like imputing the innocence to him because he's such

00:57:25.880 a fucking fraud yeah but he does have the look of like a like sheep are extremely stupid so yeah

00:57:32.360 Yeah, and so you look at, I'm looking at an article right now on The Guardian, playbooks, plagiarism, and a pig's head.

00:57:38.360 New claims surrounding, this is the thing, not just a professor, a star professor.

00:57:44.340 A professor who is subject of many articles previously.

00:57:48.740 So they rolled out the red carpet for him.

00:57:50.660 He represented something.

00:57:53.160 He's regarded as an academic superstar, but then questions about his work prompted scrutiny of his backstory and counterclaims of racism.

00:57:59.760 So just, I'm going to paraphrase it here.

00:58:03.380 This guy was lying constantly.

00:58:06.720 He would lie about his history.

00:58:08.860 He would lie about marathons he was running.

00:58:11.760 He would just lie for the sake of lying.

00:58:14.440 He lies like he breathes.

00:58:16.500 And I remember I saw one interview with him where someone had called him on something.

00:58:22.400 And he seemed thunderstruck by it.

00:58:26.560 And he was like, I just thought you wouldn't believe me.

00:58:28.800 he'd been going to this point

00:58:31.580 up to this point no one was questioning him

00:58:33.740 at all because he was just

00:58:35.720 kind of again a dopey looking

00:58:37.640 black guy who people love

00:58:39.700 the story all these like older white

00:58:41.780 ladies and I hate to throw

00:58:43.680 them under the bus for this but I don't know

00:58:45.760 who else you blame for this

00:58:46.880 it's not old Asian men that brought him here

00:58:49.680 it's some fucking

00:58:51.820 boomer bitch that said he's

00:58:53.560 so well spoken

00:58:55.500 and then anytime someone would

00:58:57.760 question any of his claims or anything he would say that they were racist right he's playing the

00:59:03.860 race card right um because his whole thing was like black studies or race studies or something

00:59:09.220 right like it's not like he was a physicist or something yeah yeah and um just to skip to that

00:59:14.860 here he died no he died because he killed himself i haven't been able to find the method of how he

00:59:22.780 killed himself but there started to be news stories about this guy and then now he's dead

00:59:28.300 very quickly and i looked at that and i thought it must have been from public embarrassment right

00:59:37.000 somebody sent him that meme that like you are now breathing manually and then and then he just

00:59:42.600 forgot to breathe he got the meme he got the wrong meme on the wrong day he doesn't know how to get

00:59:48.220 out of it i see the the question i asked myself when hearing about his suicide and it is a suicide

00:59:58.860 i was reminded of that story we covered on this very show do you remember the guy black man who

01:00:06.160 was caught at a drive-thru and he was whacking off you know at the drive-thru because the servers

01:00:13.340 are dressed kind of scantily, right?

01:00:15.800 Right.

01:00:16.120 And they got him on camera doing it.

01:00:18.040 He sped away, embarrassed.

01:00:20.280 Immediately drove to another parking lot

01:00:22.000 and blew his brains out due to the embarrassment.

01:00:25.500 Because this was a married man, a family man.

01:00:28.360 Yeah.

01:00:28.760 And he's out here beating his meat, you know,

01:00:33.000 in public as some sort of sick, deranged black fetish.

01:00:36.920 And I started wondering, like,

01:00:38.760 comparing that to another guy that I had heard about

01:00:41.420 years and years ago i forget his name but white guy i believe and he was an actor in this show

01:00:49.660 i think called the league story was that he's a comedian and an actor and he had lied about

01:00:59.040 being involved in 9-11 like he was in the twin towers of 9-11 and narrowly escaped with his life

01:01:05.640 and he was going on howard stern he was going on opie and anthony telling the story for years

01:01:10.360 then it turned out that he was lying the whole time nowhere i don't think he was even in new

01:01:15.660 york city and then he had to go on an apology tour one of the most embarrassing things that

01:01:21.960 could ever happen killed his career that's just a weird thing to be associated with your name right

01:01:27.360 yeah he didn't kill himself and i'm wondering are black men predisposed to suicide

01:01:35.680 and that just never comes up because if you ask blacks any go online right now and ask them they'll

01:01:42.780 say that's a white people thing white people kill themselves there's all those cases of these black

01:01:48.160 guys found hanged from trees like we would never do that because the legacy of racism i'm thinking

01:01:55.000 no i think you just kill yourselves all the time and we just never talk about because it's weird

01:02:01.160 to kill yourself about this honestly he could probably found his way out of it because in the

01:02:07.200 wake of his death we've got vigils protests we've got justice for jason our day justice for what

01:02:16.780 if he had if all he had to do i'll walk him through it if he had just said sorry here's a

01:02:23.720 small handful of things that i did do fraudulently thereby addressing the concerns in the media

01:02:29.740 apologize and go on a sabbatical and within nine months you're back and you're probably going to be

01:02:36.580 bigger than ever because now you're a household name like there was so like that's a honestly

01:02:42.160 it was a golden opportunity for him to do more fraud and go further um no i i got this here

01:02:48.980 this video just to um add to what we were talking about this is a video of a massive

01:02:56.260 protest i don't know what you call this i don't know what they're protesting

01:03:00.080 but it's it's like thousands of people standing from some government building

01:03:04.320 justice it's a justice for jason rd vigil there needs to be some just listen to what they're saying

01:03:09.820 there needs to be some justice

01:03:15.640 but today today today for all of you today with all of you say after me i am i am professor jason

01:03:31.900 i think if you i think if a professor kills themselves they shouldn't be allowed to be

01:03:40.620 called Professor anymore.

01:03:45.040 Something else.

01:03:46.120 I think that's so embarrassing.

01:03:48.420 Just to kill yourself.

01:03:49.840 You should lose the title.

01:03:52.700 Changes to the past tense.

01:03:54.000 It'll be Professor Ed.

01:03:56.360 If we know that a captain

01:03:58.520 is supposed to go down with a ship.

01:04:00.040 If a captain kills himself...

01:04:02.020 We have to burn down Cambridge.

01:04:04.420 We have to burn down Cambridge is what I'm saying.

01:04:07.240 But I love that.

01:04:08.480 I love Black Platinum.

01:04:10.620 I love when black people

01:04:13.340 open their mouths and nothing

01:04:15.380 tumbles out

01:04:16.220 there will be a reckoning

01:04:19.380 what does that mean

01:04:21.260 there will be but we must agree

01:04:23.460 that there's justice

01:04:24.520 these are just words

01:04:26.240 but I am Professor Jason Arde

01:04:29.060 in what way

01:04:30.160 none of these thoughts make sense

01:04:34.900 strung together

01:04:35.520 are you going to kill yourself

01:04:37.000 what's your favorite thing he wrote

01:04:40.600 name three oh yeah you're you're affected by jason already suicide okay name five

01:04:49.680 i ain't scared of you motherfuckers i'll wait

01:04:51.800 uh thanks for the gold kind stranger but it's just but this is happening all around america

01:05:00.540 just because anytime a black person dies then they just it's it's fucking paranormal to watch

01:05:09.940 it you can i can only understand it as something that white people can never do and so i've got

01:05:16.420 sometimes i have a yearning that we could collectivize like that but once you see how

01:05:22.020 they can collectivize over nothing and say nothing i'm like no this is just animalistic i don't think

01:05:28.520 we're capable of that you gotta be glad because you gotta have a transmitter and a receiver right

01:05:32.920 like if we had the transmitter and we're making speeches like this it's only because our people

01:05:37.100 are receptive to it and you should be glad

01:05:39.280 that we are not receptive to it. We have our own

01:05:41.160 batch of problems, but yeah, I'm glad that

01:05:43.340 you can't just have some

01:05:44.920 stupid clown with the

01:05:47.240 IQ of a dishrag stand

01:05:49.160 up and just vomit

01:05:50.920 and then everybody claps and takes

01:05:53.100 the day off work. Like, if

01:05:54.740 whites were doing that, there wouldn't be a planet left.

01:05:58.520 It'd be like

01:05:59.080 if all the white people

01:06:00.960 rose up to support

01:06:02.960 Casey Anthony

01:06:03.780 or, like, think of the worst

01:06:07.080 white criminal you can just a degenerate just a hunk of shit we kind of did that for joe exotic

01:06:16.320 from that tiger king thing yeah hell yeah that's as close as we got that's ironic though i mean

01:06:24.020 nobody actually likes joe exotic it's just like what's with joe exotic carol that first of all

01:06:31.200 She is a bitch, too.

01:06:32.340 I know.

01:06:33.140 Is he in jail for calling her a bitch who was trying to destroy his life?

01:06:38.360 The thing with Joe Exotic is, in hindsight, I'm trying to figure out,

01:06:41.440 what did he do that was illegal?

01:06:42.680 I think it was just having tigers in a place.

01:06:45.000 No, no, no.

01:06:45.380 He tried to kill her.

01:06:47.300 Oh, yeah.

01:06:48.260 Yeah, he tried to kill her.

01:06:49.080 Man, you got to wake up pretty early in the morning to convince me that

01:06:53.500 killing a woman is bad.

01:06:56.900 Also, attempting to kill a woman, she's not dead.

01:07:01.200 And she's as nasty as ever.

01:07:04.100 No harm, no foul.

01:07:06.060 You should attempt...

01:07:07.060 What is attempted murder?

01:07:09.320 Your Honor.

01:07:11.340 If it's white on white, I don't believe in attempted murder.

01:07:14.460 How about that?

01:07:15.240 How do you like them apples?

01:07:17.300 I leave it up to white people to decide who should be murdered.

01:07:23.720 If a black person kills anyone else, including black people,

01:07:27.160 they shouldn't do that.

01:07:28.420 They shouldn't be given that privilege.

01:07:30.340 they can't decide. White people

01:07:32.800 I give a bit more leeway.

01:07:36.200 If I

01:07:36.840 see a guy

01:07:39.000 who looks like Ed Harris

01:07:40.580 kill someone I say

01:07:42.680 he knew what he was doing. He had a reason.

01:07:44.780 He must have had a reason.

01:07:46.780 Physiognomy checks out.

01:07:48.460 If I saw a guy looking like Ed Harris kill

01:07:50.640 somebody I'd get nervous

01:07:52.420 that I was supposed to be killing somebody

01:07:54.600 and I didn't get the memo.

01:07:56.240 I'd say I'm sorry that I didn't kill him first

01:07:58.580 for you yeah exactly exactly

01:08:00.620 Tom Cruise strangles a man

01:08:04.240 to death with bare hands I'm like I'm sorry

01:08:06.400 Tommy

01:08:07.680 I should have got him for you

01:08:10.200 I gotta kill myself

01:08:12.620 that's what we're talking about we're talking about this fucking

01:08:16.100 I don't know I got this one take here

01:08:18.440 that I kind of like

01:08:19.620 I don't know if I believe in it

01:08:21.540 but the foo for thought

01:08:24.160 written by

01:08:26.060 Viceroy Gaga

01:08:28.340 who is this white feminist lover of love okay i just don't be is this trans i can't

01:08:36.740 i can't slip on this banana peel again i'm gonna read it let's just assume this is

01:08:43.140 of an incel so he says here's the thing about our day he wasn't a real academic fraudster of course

01:08:52.260 he committed extensive academic fraud but it wasn't his primary goal he didn't set up to be

01:08:57.140 an academic superstar i don't believe he was even interested in politics rd didn't crave

01:09:02.100 intellectual glory honor or recognition rd was primarily a munchausen syndrome case pity was

01:09:08.260 what he really wanted he set out with ruthless and single-minded persistence to acquire the pity

01:09:13.940 condescending admiration and doting care we reserve for the physically sick and infirm

01:09:20.020 and it just so happened due to the ideological manias of our current historical epoch that

01:09:25.620 western academic and media elites had boundless enthusiasm for providing it to him across our

01:09:31.580 day and this is where it kind of got interesting because i did kind of listen to him and of course

01:09:36.140 he played the race car and all that stuff but like he wasn't like fiery like some other people

01:09:41.540 i've seen like he's a liar and he's a dope but i'm like i don't know he's something like we said

01:09:47.740 he's almost too stupid and too clumsy to be to be the type of like i'm thinking of you know

01:09:54.820 ibrahim x kendi or these other like black hacks who are like outwardly anti-white you know what

01:10:02.900 i mean but this is like anyway so he goes here says across party speeches lectures interviews

01:10:08.260 ted talks website and ghost written autobiography the fixation is with his own allegedly constantly

01:10:14.180 broken and failing body all of his stories his lies his work were nothing but shoddy vehicles

01:10:19.460 to discuss his illnesses including but unlimited to severely non-verbally autistic as a kid

01:10:25.620 illiterate due to learning disabilities as a teen i mean right those two i'm like you shouldn't be

01:10:30.180 professor then like look i'm sorry but if you if you have a history of not reading good and being

01:10:38.580 up in the head then you can never be a professor epilepsy testicular cancer death in one ear

01:10:45.860 dyslexia mini stroke with memory loss brain cancer hit by a car getting secretly beaten up

01:10:52.820 a months-long locked in syndrome coma something called autistic burnout i mean i empathize with

01:11:00.380 that breaking his leg during a marathon but still completing it and so on so this is a selection

01:11:06.560 of his eyes he didn't care about racial politics beyond the perfunctory watch his lectures on

01:11:12.100 decolonization listless and limp he complains about racism and demands change but only in vague

01:11:17.440 general and rarely bitter terms keep in mind there are many in the academia who are deeply

01:11:22.560 hateful and venomous towards whites who earnestly seek the complete dispossession and imposition of

01:11:28.220 enormous suffering on us our day was happy to go along but only insofar as they offered potential

01:11:33.580 chance to talk about physical fevers what's the significance of this well a lot i think but here

01:11:39.300 are the two things um i'm just gonna skip this part here um the real reason it's the difficulty

01:11:46.000 to he this is what he says that i thought was really interesting um go right here he explains

01:11:54.000 the ambivalent or even fond reactions to arde's antics from the right even from the most disposed

01:11:59.980 to hate him many say that due to the sheer scale and absurdity it became amusing surreal cheek

01:12:06.600 almost performance art others report complicated feelings of pity and argue he deserves this

01:12:11.720 speed because the system set him up and i've seen this a lot i saw a lot of guys on our side

01:12:16.680 say like it's not his fault he's obviously stupid but we must blame the white women who put them

01:12:22.600 there the system that elevated him beyond his station and all that and i always rejected that

01:12:27.800 no one made him lie and be anti-white right well the real racers are the ones who gave him the job

01:12:37.700 he couldn't do they're missing but i still kind of like this take where he said the real reason

01:12:42.700 it's difficult to truly hate our day is because even if you didn't consciously realize it

01:12:46.700 on subconscious level we all recognize that he's a munchausen syndrome sufferer and we all

01:12:52.560 intuitively understand the goal of the munchies not to rule over us but to lie beneath even if

01:12:57.500 you can recognize logically that our day was a regime stooge uh it's very difficult to emotionally

01:13:02.740 feel threatened by someone who would want it to be nothing but to be weak so interesting i thought

01:13:10.000 believe it what do you think i don't i mean i see the the the relationship like there's there's kind

01:13:17.840 of a through line there that is parallel to munchausen syndrome i don't think that's the

01:13:22.760 defining feature of his life right i mean most of what he was doing was not related like his

01:13:30.040 all everything that he had right his whole position in the world that he apparently did

01:13:35.000 chase after was built on fraud and fraud at great risk although he did manage to pull it off

01:13:41.000 and then it seems like the munchausen stuff that like pretending to be weak was layered in there

01:13:47.320 And it seems to me like it was just a sociopathic mechanism by which he can perpetrate more fraud.

01:13:55.160 You know, I don't think I don't think he was at his core just a guy who wanted to be weak and be viewed as a victim so that everybody would.

01:14:04.140 You know, I don't I don't think so.

01:14:06.220 If there's that element to it, maybe that's 40 percent.

01:14:11.260 You know what I mean? Like, OK, yeah, there's something there's something to count for the fact that he's not venomous.

01:14:16.060 he does seem weak and sad and weird

01:14:17.980 and oily. I see a lot

01:14:20.100 of photos of him glistening

01:14:21.540 like a membrane of

01:14:23.960 moisture. Just odd

01:14:26.040 stuff. You know what I mean?

01:14:27.780 It doesn't make sense that

01:14:29.800 and I guess

01:14:31.820 he does seem ill

01:14:33.800 fitting for that position, which is why

01:14:36.020 he fucking came. I'd love to know more

01:14:38.180 like

01:14:38.580 anyway, he felt

01:14:41.960 some kind of

01:14:43.560 duty you know i mean because if he was so sociopathic he wouldn't a sociopath would

01:14:49.800 never kill themselves right a psychopath would never come they'd love themselves too much

01:14:54.980 and they hate everyone else too much or devalue them so i'm like it's not that

01:14:58.840 he's something else but anyway i uh even early on when i saw the you know he's the real victim

01:15:07.180 the system this even the white people in this system are anti-white and that's how he got

01:15:12.720 elevated there and i said well you know here's the thing though he was a black liar and a black liar

01:15:19.340 killed himself because he lied too much and too poorly and i'll never feel sad about that

01:15:25.720 i think that's great and historically it's been guys like us who call out black liars

01:15:33.680 and maybe if more people listen to us there will be fewer black liars in these positions and then

01:15:38.860 there will be fewer dead black people paradoxically certainly we are we probably saved more black

01:15:46.220 lives than the oldest white bitch it it does get lost a lot like we kind of um take up the mantle

01:15:55.520 of big meanie bully racists because we get tarred with that all the time but we are really just

01:16:01.280 interested in truth and beauty we're interested in calling things by their real names that's it

01:16:06.180 that's all we want you know we're not trying to be mean it's just we'd rather be fair than nice

01:16:11.220 and sometimes being fair is rude and you don't like it but like yeah that's absolutely true if

01:16:17.680 somebody had just been honest with this guy he didn't need to die he wouldn't he'd be working

01:16:22.780 at a grocery store somewhere and he maybe he'd have a family you know so this is the this we

01:16:30.020 gotta talk about a bummer all right i think i know i had i had a message on uh x from howling

01:16:40.740 nick mac he says dimes long time listener first time caller we need an emergency bitch watch

01:16:46.980 episode and candace owens is on there got it uh aoc is there i don't know what to talk we gotta

01:16:58.100 we got to figure out who gets her pregnant next then we'll talk about it but then lindsey clancy

01:17:03.120 what ongoing once again story but the consequences of this one are far more staggering yes than i

01:17:16.240 thought that's what i was going to say like the story here isn't actually about clancy the story

01:17:21.320 here is about women not being able to help themselves in response to what happened with

01:17:26.680 Clancy, just like it's like, yeah, it's like black people.

01:17:31.800 The Massachusetts mother admits to killing her three children in their home, but the

01:17:36.020 defense says she's not criminally responsible because she was suffering from postpartum

01:17:40.420 psychosis. Prosecutors say the act was planned and deliberate. Now crowds of supporters have

01:17:46.320 gathered outside the courthouse. Why do people say that the postpartum experience, even if

01:17:51.920 you're not dealing with a mental health crisis of depression, anxiety, psychosis. Why is it so

01:17:57.620 upending? And it's nice to start to have these kinds of conversations. A lot of these conversations

01:18:03.780 have also been discussed in open court. And so I think people who may not have ever cared,

01:18:08.900 frankly, are now starting to talk about it. It's absolutely shining a spotlight on, you know,

01:18:14.720 really taking women's concerns seriously after giving birth.

01:18:21.920 i haven't been awestruck like this in in quite some time like if you tell me any black news

01:18:31.140 just like we're talking about jason r day that one was that had a little twist to it but i wasn't

01:18:36.660 shocked um but the response and even black people protesting over nothing we've seen that before we

01:18:44.940 know that's what they do but seeing the response to this um and and the trial is still ongoing as

01:18:51.680 of this recording i'm looking at an article right now uh lindsey clancy this is the woman who three

01:18:57.700 years ago that that's when this crime occurred uh she sent her husband to run an errand and while

01:19:05.500 he was gone she murdered their three children in cold blood um admitted to it there seems to be no

01:19:12.340 question that she did it she admitted to it her defense attorney uh even admits to it the question

01:19:18.300 is whether or not she was in the right mind or whether she was going through postpartum psychosis

01:19:24.380 or in some other way her mental health was in jeopardy and it's this it's the whole damn system

01:19:30.840 that should be on trial anyone but her and um you see that and i mentioned casey anthony earlier and

01:19:38.820 seeing that when it came to casey anthony i didn't see a lot of women on casey anthony's side i

01:19:45.480 remember that case pretty vividly right i remember the likes of nancy grace really laying into her

01:19:51.960 but like it seemed to be that women all knew like oh murdering your child that's unforgiving mothers

01:19:58.360 were saying that but even single women um women without children everyone kind of gets that and

01:20:04.860 that case was was so national but this is a similarly national case and my god i'm last i

01:20:12.060 checked it was 75 000 or more i think 175 000 last time i checked uh donations to her gofundme

01:20:21.280 it's just going up every day now what percentage of women is that overall right it's you know

01:20:29.840 negligible i guess it's way too many though it's way too many is is it all women no is in most

01:20:37.760 women? No, is it indicative of something that is very troubling? And is it a trend that we've

01:20:46.160 noticed? And I think as low as I am to say this, is it predominantly white women? I can't even say

01:20:54.400 it's Jewish women. This seems to be mostly white women who are jumping to the defense of Lindsay

01:21:00.740 Clancy and producing content based on this. I'm just going to read some here. So we've got the

01:21:06.980 new story. This is CNN. Lindsay Clancy's mother says that her daughter thought medication was

01:21:12.760 destroying her mind as defense begins in a murder trial. Actually, let me just start by reading this.

01:21:17.800 This is very interesting because what they're trying to say is that she was out of her mind.

01:21:22.480 She didn't know what she was doing. She was a different person. You can't hold her accountable

01:21:26.280 for this. This is her mother talking about her daughter saying, she would mention that

01:21:32.640 this wasn't her mind Paula

01:21:35.020 Musgrove said she would say to me this isn't

01:21:37.120 me I've never been like this before and I would agree

01:21:39.000 because she wasn't Clancy

01:21:40.920 36 does not deny she fairly strangled

01:21:43.180 her children in the basement of her family home

01:21:45.140 in January 2023

01:21:46.840 but her attorney argues the former

01:21:48.960 labor and delivery nurse

01:21:50.540 no nurse

01:21:52.680 should not be held criminally responsible

01:21:54.660 that one line

01:21:57.160 she said there where she says I feel like I'm

01:21:59.040 not in my right mind I feel like

01:22:01.060 i'm losing my mind to me if you admit that that means you are criminally liable if you can say

01:22:08.520 i feel like i'm going insane because these medications or because i'm not on medications

01:22:14.400 whatever it is you were cognizant enough to know that you were going out of your mind and you made

01:22:23.100 a decision to exacerbate that so that you know what i mean like even even if you weren't it's

01:22:29.520 like you were schizophrenic you were momentarily insane but you made a decision to make yourself

01:22:34.880 momentarily insane or you at least cognizant of the fact that you're going insane so like right

01:22:38.740 there case falls apart of course uh does that make sense yes yep so i just wanted to talk about

01:22:45.900 that but what are the women saying the patriarchy is the titanic lindsey clancy's case was the

01:22:54.980 iceberg and now it's women and children getting on the lifeboats a lot of the men will choose to

01:23:02.120 stay behind and to go down with the ship do you guys think that lindsey clancy is gonna like

01:23:08.680 know about us like that we're all here like standing behind her like is she gonna

01:23:16.120 ever find out about us like her little army

01:23:21.540 like do you think we'll ever become her friends like like will she talk to us

01:23:27.580 is she gonna thank us like let's let's have a look here here's a selection from pulled from

01:23:35.020 reddit pulled from x pulled from wherever here's a woman by the name of rain queen who says it

01:23:41.960 sounds absolutely crazy but i've got this overwhelming feeling that she's part of the

01:23:46.060 awakening of the divine feminine we are all rallying around her except for those of us who

01:23:52.060 are still under the patriarchy anyone who's been in a relationship knows with in a relationship

01:23:58.460 with an abusive narcissist knows exactly what this is and a woman says i will add to this and

01:24:04.200 tell you that i too have been getting sensational downloads i honestly feel as though this woman is

01:24:10.760 not only going to have an awakening but she's going to be found innocent and that's what they're all

01:24:14.620 saying like every single woman i've seen is like he's going the father did it that's what they're

01:24:19.700 saying it was it was the father that did this and he's framing her and he drugged her and they've

01:24:25.140 got all these cockamamie conspiracy theories about how he left the house in drove way but ran back

01:24:34.540 and then snuck in the house and threw her through the window because this is the best part that

01:24:40.320 she's paralyzed because after she murdered her children she attempted quote-unquote suicide and

01:24:48.560 you know gave a bunch of you know performative slashes to her arms and jumped from the window

01:24:55.440 of their house and i think she expected to just like oh i wanted to end it all but also survive

01:25:02.480 but it was just high enough that she became paralyzed so she's in a wheelchair right now

01:25:08.400 um and so they're all trying to say that he threw her through the window he did all this stuff it

01:25:15.920 was impossible for a woman to kill a child right that mothers don't do that says some bitch with

01:25:25.640 seven abortions right you know what i mean like obvious things obvious things but i think the

01:25:31.980 most troubling okay actually before i get to that let's talk i i didn't i kind of knew but i didn't

01:25:38.860 really know how many i think it's still predominantly white women are into astrology

01:25:47.260 you know i mean like i'm aware that let's just watch this you you gotta find this stuff on tick

01:25:52.940 tock it's all over the place but here we go okay check this out it's really crazy lindsey clancy's

01:25:58.540 birth chart it's so crazy i don't have the time of birth so it's all just to pause here it's all

01:26:06.860 women pulling up birth charts which i've never looked at before i don't know what any of this is

01:26:11.420 but they treat it very seriously so really you can disregard the ascendant descendant icmc vertex

01:26:18.380 in all houses and and she's looking at she's responding to messages here leos don't kill

01:26:24.940 gemini's do someone says he's a gemini jail for him that's all i need to know

01:26:30.460 someone else says moon at 22 degrees kill or be killed degree

01:26:37.820 i don't the fact that her trial is during lions gate means things are turning in her favor

01:26:46.300 someone says oh she's a leo she loved those babies and very protective is that like i don't

01:26:52.780 i don't go deep into this at all is that because leo is like a lion and they think oh lion equals

01:26:59.660 lioness there's i mean there's a whole thing like each one of those has got i mean there's

01:27:04.620 books written on it and these women consume it but it is astrology like there's there's nothing there

01:27:11.180 it's just yeah but you see the look in their eyes when they're discussing this they've never taken

01:27:15.660 anything so seriously before it's like not all these aspects are necessarily true because all

01:27:24.540 those points we don't really know i just put it at noon but first of all i need to show okay so

01:27:28.620 notice anything here she's got her north known aquarius south known leo she's in her noble return

01:27:32.140 right now it's been a while but i have to pop on here just to say that i've been following this

01:27:35.740 lindsey clancy trial especially as a mother of two who dealt with a lot of postpartum

01:27:39.660 mental illness and it's a lot of this yeah this is what i was going to get to it's a lot of

01:27:45.980 i empathize with her i sympathize with her i understand what she's going through i'm seeing

01:27:51.340 a dozen i've personally seen dozens but there's hundreds there's thousands of videos like you

01:27:56.700 know what it's a it's a shame what she did but i get it i'm like just my jaw is on the floor

01:28:05.340 seeing what i don't think it's ever been this this bad this isn't like this is some mass hysteria

01:28:13.180 um and there's historical parallels like you can pull from antiquity stories about women going

01:28:20.720 like mass hysteria because women are consensus driven and i get all that but like this is

01:28:27.320 this is a woman who brutally slaughtered her three children and even the people who like

01:28:33.760 believe she did it still think she should be excused or like they're not bothered by it and

01:28:39.900 furthermore they're saying like you know like there's so many women who want to kill their

01:28:44.960 children i'd read a statistic it was something like 60 percent of cases where parents kill their

01:28:53.880 children i forget what the legal term is but 60 percent are men and but that's usually when the

01:29:00.220 kids are older like there's a fight or some kind of thing where the father kills like their older

01:29:06.340 son but the other 40 are women and that's all babies it's all infants and toddlers right so

01:29:13.720 women kill their children when they're very very young men when they do well when it's older when

01:29:18.820 it's like political or something like that like sids sids is just a way to whitewash women with

01:29:24.320 postpartum killing their infants like i think we've everybody is kind of on that i come to that

01:29:29.640 realization but nobody wants to bring it you know to a court and this is this is it and this i was

01:29:36.120 thinking about this the other day because sids for those who don't know sudden infant death syndrome

01:29:42.600 it's this thing that they even mention when you're having a child uh with uh and you're in the

01:29:48.760 hospital and they'll say you know it can be careful for sids but there's no understanding

01:29:55.960 of what it is because if it was a heart problem they would call it a heart problem it's like

01:30:00.040 sometimes kids die no they don't because if it was the parent rolled over on the baby and suffocated

01:30:06.600 them you would call it that that does happen you what we call that we call that parent rolling

01:30:11.800 over on baby and suffocating them right exactly um but this other thing it's that sometimes kids

01:30:17.960 just fucking die and i read another statistic that was and the exact number escapes me but it

01:30:23.560 It was something like 90% of SIDS is with single-mother households.

01:30:31.040 What is the correlation between SIDS and two-parent households

01:30:36.000 and then just the mother and two kids?

01:30:39.020 Seems to go up dramatically.

01:30:41.000 What's that about?

01:30:43.440 But the fact that everyone knows this,

01:30:47.860 but you have doctors, lawyers, politicians,

01:30:51.420 is the entire system

01:30:53.000 just lying to itself

01:30:55.180 and looking the other way.

01:30:57.440 You have women killing their kids.

01:30:58.800 Like, well, I mean, you know,

01:31:00.920 what do you expect us to do?

01:31:04.480 Send a baby

01:31:05.660 murderer to jail?

01:31:07.020 But it's like they're all aligned

01:31:09.400 with that.

01:31:10.780 Again, I'm in awe, just stepping back

01:31:13.100 from this saying, like the entire

01:31:15.060 system is geared to protect baby

01:31:17.160 murderers. Yes.

01:31:19.920 And it's,

01:31:20.700 you would at one point be forgiven for thinking that they're victims or they're overwhelmed or

01:31:26.760 night but then i watch these videos i'm like no you are stone cold cunts like and then you're

01:31:32.140 justifying it with your little star charts you have all you read all your books about it

01:31:38.500 you're relating this to harry potter like whatever the true crime shit that you've totally polluted

01:31:46.240 your mind with but like it's all in service of this of of killing kids that's that's the only

01:31:52.080 thing that gets you making tick tocks it's it's abortion it's it's the the the ability to have

01:31:59.840 to get pregnant as often as possible and to terminate the pregnancy as often as possible

01:32:04.560 that's your politics and that seems to be the only thing that gets them out of bed in the

01:32:09.440 fucking morning and you know i just wanted to you know frame this differently you know for these

01:32:18.640 women it's like well you know what if what if these kids were black you know just mix of the

01:32:24.080 race just like just does that change this at all does the fact that they're white help or hurt them

01:32:29.760 and um you know just following all their birth charts and birthdays and zodiac signs he did it

01:32:35.360 it. He did it. He did it. He's a Gemini man. I was going to say that's a cat in the background

01:32:43.460 of that woman's video. No, it's you. It's my cat. I'm a Gemini and that's my cat. That's

01:32:49.720 such a Gemini thing to do. It's June. Cat total Leo though. I don't know how to make

01:32:53.640 that one work. I'm a Gemini woman. My birthday is June 14th. Let me give you another example

01:32:59.420 of who a Gemini man is. Also birthday June 14th. Men and women are different. Keep that

01:33:05.160 in mind um please don't judge me donald trump so in a way donald trump killed these children

01:33:14.260 whoa and so did this woman who is speaking i think right that was that was the implication

01:33:19.280 yes yes yes so so the so the children died somewhat because of the birthday um that's

01:33:27.540 all the evidence that they need um but i saw this this woman can vote by the way she can vote she

01:33:34.320 can drive a car she can own a gun this woman is allowed to get on a flight anywhere she wants

01:33:40.960 really if she has money this woman has a credit card can you believe this the funniest thing i

01:33:46.720 saw was a woman retweeting one of these these videos and her saying they're going to take away

01:33:52.080 our rights aren't they i saw yes yes yes i'm looking at this i'm like yeah i don't i don't

01:33:59.600 know what to do with you these people anymore um but it this it's been a ratcheting effect of this

01:34:09.840 and it really troubles me that this like we're kind of used to at this point we're thinking we

01:34:14.880 could still reason through this it's like you need to jailbreak them from so many twisted

01:34:22.560 lines of thinking to solve this because they're just inundated with it's the astrology shed

01:34:28.160 but it's also the media and the true crime stuff and their their their love of death you know it

01:34:35.280 like sacrificial death and serial killers and all that like all of this is combined over and then

01:34:40.240 seeing it's a woman and seeing themselves in her and now i'm seeing just recently there's

01:34:48.160 within the wave of empathy that is being a trigger this tsunami this outpouring they're saying that

01:34:54.880 you know there's now women just showing how they vent these these moms at home they're throwing

01:35:00.400 ice cubes and bathtubs it's like this is what my therapist recommended to me they're all in therapy

01:35:06.880 and i just i was watching these videos these women i've seen so many videos of women howling

01:35:13.440 and crashing out and uncorking and from the camera always in front of the camera

01:35:18.880 always have a phone camera set up to record this of course because you see them in full view so

01:35:24.480 So they have this leaning up against a mirror, of course.

01:35:28.680 But I'm just watching all this and saying,

01:35:29.920 I don't think our moms did this.

01:35:33.160 Right?

01:35:33.880 No.

01:35:35.200 We talked about our ancestors.

01:35:37.400 Were they doing this?

01:35:38.220 Were they going to their children's rooms alone

01:35:41.380 and just screaming into a pillow?

01:35:45.640 I don't know.

01:35:46.620 And it seems that some of these women only have one or two kids.

01:35:51.140 Okay, it's hard, but it's not like five.

01:35:53.920 but yeah and and clancy herself had what she had a nanny and her husband did a lot of the work

01:36:00.160 she had she had the in-laws there all the time taking care of the kids

01:36:04.080 somebody was joking about it like yeah let's see her screen yeah let's let's see let's see

01:36:08.720 her phone what's her screen time total i'm like but you can't say that to these women because that

01:36:16.160 is them they also have nannies they also have the in-laws helping they also have their kids in day

01:36:22.160 care all of them they have their kids in daycare at month six month nine they're at home alone a

01:36:28.560 lot of the time all of them are saying i i saw this in tick tock how do you if you're so overwhelmed

01:36:34.000 how are you scrolling tick tock all day how's that possible how you seem a lot of time to record

01:36:40.880 yourself cry screaming in the bathroom how's that where are your kids at where does that fall on

01:36:47.840 your priority list yeah yeah so before or after you did or you hadn't hadn't had time to do the

01:36:55.040 chores yeah exactly and so like it but you can't explain this to them this goes deeper than that

01:37:00.560 this is something i i can't i don't think you even blame jews for this i know you want it in some way

01:37:07.120 you can in some way you must but this is this is an ancient conflict this goes back to prehistory

01:37:14.240 even this is just something about women wherever you find women what's the one they would always

01:37:21.160 say about women in the 19th century there's some phrase i forget something about uh

01:37:27.880 like not consumption it's like i'll remember it i'll remember it and then i'll say it but there

01:37:32.720 was this a thing they're like yeah women will get stricken with this and then they'll just be nutty

01:37:37.160 and you gotta like hysterics hysterics yeah hysterics yeah they're just they just get wild

01:37:43.080 and crazy, and you've got to put them in a room

01:37:44.960 for a bit. You've got to put them in a room. Give them a slap.

01:37:46.880 Send them to some kind of chamber

01:37:48.800 where you put them. I don't know. Give them a spanking.

01:37:51.160 Put them in a nice place. It's a

01:37:52.980 nice place.

01:37:55.140 There's lots of candles.

01:37:56.880 We're going to put you there for a while.

01:37:58.840 Then you're going to come back, and you're

01:38:00.900 going to calm down.

01:38:05.320 And we don't have that anymore, so now they're

01:38:06.900 just online. We should. We should have

01:38:09.060 that. The worst place for them,

01:38:11.100 which is on the internet. Yeah.

01:38:13.080 And you need to, like, if you're kind of, women are sort of, they got a low level of craziness constantly, but the internet's really set up for people with, like, high peak, high efficiency, like type A madness like us.

01:38:28.440 We know how to exist in that ecosystem.

01:38:30.900 They don't have any filter.

01:38:32.060 They don't know what's going on.

01:38:33.480 They're exposed to too much.

01:38:36.360 Like, you should, star signs should be something you learn from your grandmother, and that's all you learn.

01:38:42.020 should be reading tomes about star signs you shouldn't have access to that you can't that

01:38:47.940 that should be for wizards they're reading sorcerer shit and they're not equipped i'm not equipped for

01:38:56.100 that yeah okay so enough of that we need to get to economics do you want to you want to hear about

01:39:06.180 a book i read yes let's hear it i think you'd like this i think you like the topic i don't

01:39:13.220 think you like this book so it's a book titled the european guilds an economic analysis by

01:39:23.300 i'm gonna get this name wrong it's chalet ogilvy and um a comprehensive analysis of european craft

01:39:32.900 guilds through eight centuries of economic history right up your alley hell yeah written by

01:39:41.400 a woman and no it is not particularly friendly to guilds however there is good data in here

01:39:53.280 there's a good scope of research and there's a lot that i found interesting her interpretation of it

01:40:00.340 uh let's say it's very free market oriented well look i i understand the market critique of guilds

01:40:09.740 my the thing i love about guilds is not them in opposition to markets i do think that that's that

01:40:15.200 was not a good thing but there's a lot of good stuff in guilds that should have been kept in

01:40:20.480 the market yeah her take and i've seen interviews with her as well in the book it plays it more

01:40:27.740 straight uh but if you watch any of her lectures or you catch her in an interview show podcast

01:40:33.160 or whatever she's a bit more open about how she thinks i mean i to me it sounds like she's saying

01:40:38.940 guilds were a net negative or like the best economic growth was where there were no guilds

01:40:44.600 and they constrained innovation and you know there's one thing that she says and in the book

01:40:52.780 but way more often when you catch her in an interview,

01:40:57.320 is her saying how unfair it was that they locked out women.

01:41:01.300 Oh, come on.

01:41:03.600 Oh, dude.

01:41:05.360 And the other amazing thing about the English guild system

01:41:09.320 was that once you had been apprenticed to any occupation in London,

01:41:14.300 you could practice any other.

01:41:16.640 So you just had to get membership of one guild,

01:41:19.200 and then you could do any gilded occupation in London.

01:41:24.200 This was unique.

01:41:25.420 This was not the way guilds normally were.

01:41:28.360 So I finished saying my good things about the guilds.

01:41:31.720 The bad things were that no other apprenticeship system in Europe

01:41:36.560 was flexible like that.

01:41:39.520 In fact, in most European societies, guilds fundamentally, in principle,

01:41:45.140 did not let not just they didn't let women girls get any vocation formal vocational training

01:41:53.620 like this is a book written by a progressive liberal woman and so she's like they they

01:42:01.220 practice racism and colorism and i of course i highlight that as why gills rod put that one

01:42:08.980 in the dope column put that one throw that up on the sick board but anyway we'll just read it a

01:42:15.360 little bit i overall liked it because everyone in our space uh i don't think any of them would have

01:42:22.560 anything negative to say about guilds and i always found guilds very interesting because

01:42:28.560 i found that they totally blew the legs out of the marxists if not the claim then the underlying

01:42:38.160 belief that prior to Marxism there were no labor unions there was no

01:42:42.720 collectivization whatsoever but you know in our readings of corporatism I

01:42:48.780 believe the book on corporatism by Othmar Spahn would be one but there's

01:42:53.020 lots of other corporatist writers saying that the corporatist model that was

01:42:56.780 embraced by fascist governments was pulled from history and the guild

01:43:00.680 systems what's the guild system it's just tradespeople craftsmen artisans

01:43:05.880 who are manufacturers whoever it is collectivizing getting together saying we're stronger together

01:43:11.160 and you also see that in farmer co-ops right because i remember i saw an interview with her

01:43:17.940 and she was saying that these guilds were different because they were business owners

01:43:24.460 whereas labor unions are workers and laborers and like okay i see you're doing there what about

01:43:30.520 farmers farmers are also employers too a lot of them employ people so are they do they labor less

01:43:37.960 is the labor of a farmer less valuable this is this is pure marxism this is not based in reality

01:43:44.520 at all it's all of these totally arbitrary distinctions with no real difference so

01:43:50.280 economists have been trying to show that adam smith was wrong about guilds by modeling various

01:43:55.800 theoretical ways, market failures which guilds might have solved using their social capital,

01:44:02.360 their store of norms and ways of cooperation and trust and information. This book analyzed

01:44:12.040 a database I put together of more than 17,000 observations of guilds in 23 European societies

01:44:20.760 over a period of nearly nine centuries and i'm in a way sad to say that it found very little

01:44:28.760 evidence that guilds solved failures in markets for quality or human capital investment or

01:44:36.120 innovation instead it was a bit of a sad story they uh imposed entry barriers they manipulated

01:44:44.360 markets in favor of their own members they oppressed their employees guilds were associations

01:44:50.760 of employee employers it's important to remember they weren't like modern unions they were like

01:44:56.260 modern organizations of small business owners so they they oppressed their workers and i'm sorry

01:45:03.760 to say they ripped off customers yeah it's like so you're not allowed to have an apprentice

01:45:08.820 otherwise you're like a landlord for labor something along those lines that's what she was

01:45:13.120 saying so i i condemn and denounce that but but yeah the guilds guilds crush innovation but also

01:45:22.180 you're not allowed to have apprentices so okay sorry guys we can't have a printed we're not

01:45:25.920 allowed to train anybody anymore yeah and but it's like i love the guild model because

01:45:32.280 you could say it's spontaneous it was not directed by the central government now she will make the

01:45:38.820 correct claim that they did integrate somewhat with the government especially with their of a

01:45:45.260 sufficient size but that's that's not to say that it was just another institution it was somewhat

01:45:52.820 spontaneous or it was bottom up let's say so I'll just read some excerpts here she says for one

01:46:01.560 thing guilds are important for understanding how the historical sources of economic growth

01:46:05.400 The first transition to sustained economic growth relied on economic transformations in the pre-industrial period.

01:46:12.120 During the eight centuries before European industrialization, guilds were central institutions setting the rules of the game for economic activity.

01:46:23.060 Understanding how economies first achieved sustained economic growth requires analyzing how their institutions worked.

01:46:29.140 It says guilds have been observed for thousands of years in many economies, ancient Egypt, Greece, Rome, medieval and early modern India, Japan, China, Persia, Byzantium, and Europe, the 19th century, Latin America, the Ottoman Empire.

01:46:43.400 But although guilds have existed for millennia in economies across the world, the analysis of guilds as economic institutions is based largely on Europe between the year 1000 and about 1880.

01:46:55.540 This is probably because evidence on guilds is the richest there.

01:46:59.140 as shown by the sparse research of non-european guilds partly too it's because guilds showed

01:47:04.240 interesting variation across pre-industrial europe gradually weakening after 1500 in some societies

01:47:11.420 but surviving long past 1800 in others above all the focus on european guilds arises from the fact

01:47:17.860 that europe is where sustained economic growth first arose raising obvious questions about the

01:47:23.760 relationship between guilds and growth. So this whole book is an answer to what she believes is

01:47:33.600 a prevailing economic analysis that says that there's this idea that guilds are important to

01:47:40.180 growth, but here I am to show you that they're not. But the book can seem very adversarial in

01:47:46.180 that sense. But she goes on here, the service sector was full of guilds and throughout Europe

01:47:52.480 we find guilds of retailers, carters, porters, boatmen, painters, sculptors, musicians, physicians,

01:47:58.760 surgeons, public bath operators, and chimney sweeps. Many places also had guilds of primary

01:48:05.180 sector producers, farmers, agricultural laborers, gardeners, shepherds, miners, whatever. In the

01:48:11.060 northern Netherlands at the end of the 18th century, just 62.5% of guilds were in crafts,

01:48:17.680 while 15% were in commercial occupations like retailing

01:48:21.620 and 20% in transportation and other services.

01:48:25.500 Some guilds had only a handful of members.

01:48:28.340 In 17th century Paris, with nearly half a million inhabitants,

01:48:33.200 the metal engravers guild permitted a maximum of 20 masters.

01:48:38.220 The clockmakers, just 72.

01:48:41.460 In Vienna, the largest city in Europe in 1880,

01:48:44.720 with 230,000 inhabitants,

01:48:47.080 the pastry baker's guild is limited to 14 members and the chimney sweeps to 18 other guilds do not

01:48:54.560 have a formal upper limit but nonetheless restricted entry via mandatory career track

01:48:59.500 of apprenticeship journeymanship and mastership with strict conditions even in florence with

01:49:04.940 a hundred thousand inhabitants and 1300 each of the 21 guilds averaged only about 350 masters

01:49:11.060 i find that surprising because i in the back of my mind i always imagined these

01:49:18.320 massive guilds of maybe hundreds of thousands of people but i guess it makes sense that in

01:49:25.020 some cases it'd be like 13 i mean how many bakers do you need for some of these cities right yeah

01:49:30.660 yeah and they weren't that big either like even the largest cities back then were only a few

01:49:34.620 hundred thousand people at most because i i still find myself subconsciously relaying them to labor

01:49:40.700 unions and labor unions love mass scale they wanted to see a sea of workers and that's how

01:49:47.080 you know it's real and that's probably why she's against it right because this was very specifically

01:49:51.000 people that had like a complex skill that they built up over a long period of time they have

01:49:58.260 relationships like with vendors and clients and supply chain and all of these things they have

01:50:02.940 capital expenditure they have tools they have equipment right so those are the people that

01:50:06.920 coming together so that's why she's pissed about it because it's it's capitalism yeah and i try to

01:50:15.240 gather my thoughts in a way that can infuriate people the most when it comes to economics

01:50:21.720 but when um you know they'll say okay having central planning for the economy is bad i tend

01:50:30.840 to agree not for any moral reason it's just i i tend to find based on their research and based

01:50:37.000 on the data and in reading books like seeing like a state it's just not very good at it central

01:50:42.520 planning tends not to be very good for innovation if anything it can release capital to a market but

01:50:50.120 you know having that's why a monopoly it might be bad having total dominance and total price control

01:50:55.880 on a long enough timeline leads to stagnation leads to lack of innovation that look i know

01:51:02.000 we're all very sensitive and allergic to libertarian arguments but it it tends to be the

01:51:08.980 case that competition can is good and that if it's just one monolithic you know authority

01:51:17.680 it stagnates it's it's just one bureaucracy right and we've seen so many attempts of governments

01:51:25.220 including the Soviet Union there's many others you can do that you know they're

01:51:29.900 just not very adept at it however I don't think the free market is the

01:51:34.720 solution to all or even most things but at the same time it's hard for me to get

01:51:42.160 emotionally invested in taking down an oligopoly or a guild like what is

01:51:49.040 morally wrong about the 12 bakers or the 25 farmers in a region get together and

01:51:57.380 say hey look we're being raped we're losing out to these market forces and we

01:52:03.880 could actually get paid what we believe is fair why what's wrong with them at

01:52:09.620 collectivizing and advocating for a fair rate which would be like and they will

01:52:15.480 call that price fixing i don't really give that much of a shit about price fixing maybe i should

01:52:21.280 i haven't heard a great argument like in most instances because everyone no one's getting paid

01:52:26.740 what they should right now for anything yeah yeah so like i i don't morally mind that or i don't

01:52:34.480 mind the attempt and even with even in canada talking about the dairy cartel like the reason

01:52:39.600 i don't like the canadian dairy cartel is because our butter sucks right but there's also dairy co-ops

01:52:48.500 in france and they make some of the best butter in the world so it's like i think there's something

01:52:54.240 that we haven't touched on yet and i don't know whether how much it features in the book but there

01:52:59.440 are different ways of running a co-op or a guild right like say a dairy co-op is just a bunch of

01:53:05.420 farmers coming together and saying that together we're better at making milk right right and when

01:53:10.280 we work together with each other now the step beyond that is saying if you produce milk if you

01:53:17.060 run a dairy and you don't join our guild we're gonna burn your fucking farm down or or the thing

01:53:22.900 beside that is we're gonna use the government to force you out of the business unless you pay dues

01:53:28.180 and join our guild and guess what our guild is full so you have to shut your farm down so when

01:53:32.460 it becomes a cartel like the difference between to me a guild and a cartel like we don't have a

01:53:36.660 dairy guild in canada we have a dairy cartel which is to say you literally are not legally allowed to

01:53:41.520 produce dairy and if you do they will arrest you and they'll shoot your cow right and for that

01:53:47.400 reason we have shitty butter and very expensive milk in canada but that's there's that's not to

01:53:53.540 say you shouldn't have a guild of dairy producers that protect each other it's just like when you

01:53:58.320 start saying you're gonna kill my fucking cow i can't i literally cannot afford your milk nigger

01:54:03.160 i am poor i can't afford your milk i cannot buy the cheese that i want because i can't fucking

01:54:09.280 afford it then i go to make my own but then i'm committing a federal crime so come on come on

01:54:14.820 jail for an amount of time where it might as well have been heroin yeah and why didn't we

01:54:20.280 We were in the wrong business.

01:54:22.600 So she'll get into this,

01:54:26.420 and I don't think most of her conclusions,

01:54:29.860 her conclusions I take exception to,

01:54:33.080 but a lot of her starting positions are correct,

01:54:36.040 where she says,

01:54:37.560 the connection between guilds' economic

01:54:39.980 and non-economic activities

01:54:41.920 is best understood by thinking of guilds

01:54:43.820 as social networks.

01:54:45.380 As already mentioned, guilds are abducted,

01:54:48.520 as already mentioned guilds are adduced as historical exemplars of social networks

01:54:58.040 generating a social capital of shared norms information sanctions and collective action

01:55:03.020 social networks generate social capital and it's argued because they have two key characteristics

01:55:08.420 closure and multiplex links closure when it's clear exactly who belongs to the network

01:55:14.420 intensifies the quality and reliability of social norms.

01:55:18.640 European guilds succeeded in maintaining their special economic privilege

01:55:21.700 by creating norms that were shared by their members

01:55:24.320 by conveying information swiftly between them.

01:55:27.680 She goes on here,

01:55:28.360 A common view in the literature on economic growth is that history shows

01:55:32.020 that private order institutions can substitute for public order ones

01:55:36.060 in enabling markets to function.

01:55:38.120 Past societies are supposed to have lacked public authorities

01:55:41.020 able and willing to enforce institutional rules for economic economic activity and some economists

01:55:47.820 have come to accept that view that private order substitutes such as guilds were effective

01:55:52.140 surrogates european history is widely deployed to support this idea with guilt as exemplars

01:55:57.740 uses the word exemplars a lot i don't know lady someone must be seen as smart uh both historical

01:56:07.400 and modern development failures are ascribed to a lack of horizontal networks able to remedy state

01:56:12.200 failures and abuses this chapter investigates the interaction between guilds and governments

01:56:16.520 in medieval and early modern year so she goes basically she's saying that there's this idea

01:56:22.680 that guilds were separate from central control and as i mentioned at the start that might have

01:56:27.880 been the case up to a certain point however um she goes on here for one thing craft guilds use

01:56:33.880 the political representation they gained and the guild struggles to exclude weaker craftsmen and

01:56:38.680 wage workers in bologna for existence for instance guilds and craftsmen and retailers secured

01:56:45.160 political representation in 1228 but then used it to prevent poorer workers from forming guilds or

01:56:51.720 swaying economic policy by the 14th century the bologna craft guilds were dominated by elite

01:56:57.880 families and have themselves become institutions at for hereditary transmission of privilege

01:57:04.120 so you've got the emerge using the guilds and emergence of a bourgeoisie class in florence

01:57:10.760 a guild revolution in the early 14th century secured political represented representation

01:57:15.880 for 21 guilds which promptly used their new powers to forbid subordinate artisans and wage

01:57:22.520 workers to form guilds to make constitutions or statutes uh the same pattern can be observed

01:57:27.880 around 1300 in the guild struggles in hui denant liege duai ghent and other cities of the southern

01:57:34.680 netherlands which sought not just to resist mercantile oligarchies but to restrict market

01:57:40.920 competition block large-scale manufacturing so that's where that's kind of interesting by saying

01:57:47.880 okay you've got these guilds that could have an interest in suppressing innovation they could have

01:57:53.160 an interest in suppressing the development of manufacturing technologies now are they within

01:57:59.240 their bounds to do that well why not i mean they were protect at the end of the day everyone's

01:58:04.200 trying to make money for their families right because that's what they'll say that we're trying

01:58:08.540 to protect for my sons for my daughters for everything but then that's fucking everyone

01:58:12.560 that's that's the entrepreneur the innovator the inventor too that you know what i mean like

01:58:18.320 i that doesn't work on me as much although i understand that is a driving force for everyone

01:58:24.080 so they are that they're telling the truth when they say that i just don't give a but you can see

01:58:30.480 a lot of people still use that right like we should reject certain innovations or whatever

01:58:36.160 because it threatens a livelihood it just it unfortunately seems that history does not really

01:58:43.620 care about those people we don't really care about all the jobs are swept away by innovation or

01:58:51.080 modernity right you can tell their tales i mean the tales of the chimney sweeps too my way of

01:58:57.200 looking at it is on balance usually the if if the innovation is sweeping jobs away it's people

01:59:05.480 kind of voting if you look at the market that way like for example like computers right there

01:59:11.820 were people who used to be called computers who did math by hand you could say that those people

01:59:17.540 all lost their jobs like did they die no i think they were all okay and also the rest of us who

01:59:22.500 never did that job which is 99.9 percent of everybody we all got a huge increase in our

01:59:27.660 quality of life so every time you say we're going to stifle innovation so that a very tiny usually

01:59:33.780 a fraction of a percent of the population can hold on to their little plum gig you're fucking

01:59:38.960 everybody else over for all time not just the people living but everybody in the future as

01:59:44.240 well you're fucking everybody and that's to me that's just fucking ridiculous on its face and

01:59:48.500 there's a lot of people who say it's a shame that happens but but those people i don't even think

01:59:54.640 they really believe it and i will circle back to the example the people who are saying that you

02:00:01.180 know what if ai is comparable to human intelligence and my claim that that wouldn't change how

02:00:07.520 anyone engages with it people would not give up ai right now everyone is aware that ai llms all

02:00:15.780 this technology is driving so many people out of jobs does anyone care is anyone stopping is anyone

02:00:24.660 proposing legislation to handicap ai no one fucking is you you listener are not not really

02:00:31.900 be honest with it no one you know is and i bet you know i bet you just read story after story

02:00:38.380 about how it's going to like make us all obsolete yeah and no one cares isn't that interesting i'm

02:00:46.360 not saying it's good or bad that just is what it is the person who complains that some element of

02:00:51.400 their job devalued because of llms is the same person who will go on facebook marketplace and

02:00:58.840 fight with somebody for a discount because i could do this myself at home with ai right it's the same

02:01:05.260 like it's like you said earlier these people everybody just wants to protect themselves

02:01:10.360 which is fine so if we can all just be adults and say everybody really is just looking out for

02:01:14.420 themselves there's a way to order this which is that nobody's allowed to tell other people

02:01:18.800 what uh yeah you see this in so many other dimensions like the the guy who's against

02:01:26.880 or claims to be against mass migration the offshoring of jobs how many facebook posts

02:01:34.380 has he written about that the moment a young white guy wants to be paid a bit too much for

02:01:39.460 a job it's like i can get someone from bangladesh to do this for nothing exactly i can get an illegal

02:01:44.800 to do it immediately gives up all of your values all your stated positions it's fun i think that's

02:01:51.760 a real problem society like how many people actually believe in anything they're saying

02:01:56.080 like really how much what's the dollar value of what you would put on the line to actually defend

02:02:02.240 these positions or are you willing to sell out with no pressure at all right how many anti-ai

02:02:09.920 people are using ai as we fucking speak and i'm not saying i'm any better right i'm just trying

02:02:16.260 to say like i don't know like it's we have to keep moving on to get through this because i

02:02:20.880 know if we're going soon but um i like the part the start i want to give my real favorite part

02:02:27.680 later but it says a guild's links to government did not stop when its first official charter was

02:02:32.340 signed and guild privileges were constantly revised extended and confirmed the charter

02:02:37.920 King Henry II granted to the London Weavers Guild in 1155, referred back to an earlier

02:02:44.020 privilege granted by his grandfather, Henry I, whose 1130 pipe rolls recorded the guild

02:02:49.640 paying him £16. For almost every guild, the charter was just one item in a much weightier

02:02:57.000 accumulation of privileges, edicts, decrees, bureaucratic decisions, and court judgments

02:03:02.820 issued by different levels of government over a period of centuries. Consequently,

02:03:06.800 guilds maintained extensive archives of the charters ordinances and other legislation relevant

02:03:12.040 to their privileges so she's correctly i think showing like how much like the power of the guilds

02:03:19.400 was secured by their relationship with the government in so many different ways and yes

02:03:24.600 there were guild revolts yes there was guilds who rose up against the government that there's

02:03:29.720 governments that infiltrated the guilds there's guilds that were fighting with each other all the

02:03:34.360 time it's like you know gangs in new york with rival firehouses and all that um

02:03:42.360 and then she goes on here and says you know guilds were also required to provide men and

02:03:46.520 fortifications to defend towns guild-based organization of watchmen and guards can be

02:03:51.320 observed in cities as various as 13th century paris 14th century vienna 16th century london

02:03:58.120 in 17th century palermo um so knowing that we need to to go soon i'm just going to read a

02:04:05.640 couple here it says you know she she condemns them for manipulating output markets you know

02:04:13.960 price fixing was one uh you know trying hoarding materials and again like i i understand why that

02:04:24.840 would stand in the way of the competition of the pure invisible hand of the free market but

02:04:31.400 i know i don't really care about all that yeah but also not really i mean some if you wanted to

02:04:36.040 take a market perspective like for example quote-unquote hoarding materials if the government

02:04:40.280 is intervening and giving them the materials that's one thing but if they're hoarding it by

02:04:44.360 just saying hey we're the 10 biggest firms in this city all in the same you know uh sector and we're

02:04:50.760 We're going to pool our money to buy every, I don't know,

02:04:54.680 bolt of leather off of every ship that comes into port.

02:04:57.720 We're buying all of it.

02:04:59.060 That's the market.

02:05:00.240 That's the market.

02:05:01.240 You can't completely, ooh, it's the gilts.

02:05:02.660 Fuck the gilts.

02:05:03.320 That's the market.

02:05:04.340 That's your fucking market when they're doing that.

02:05:06.560 That is the definition of the market.

02:05:09.000 And you know how they can do it?

02:05:10.080 Because they're the 10 best leather workers in the city.

02:05:14.880 And they're even better than they were before

02:05:17.160 because now they're sharing tools and materials and expertise.

02:05:20.180 and now you have a city that has the best leather in the country or maybe the continent because of

02:05:26.700 this system but oh but they're hoarding the leather you're fucking right they are because

02:05:30.400 they're good at it like come on this is this is weak shit and also once i saw her numbers a lot

02:05:38.540 of the cases she was referring to were still a small fraction of the overall part of your says

02:05:44.780 okay says a few way guild a first way guilds tried to manipulate output markets was by setting

02:05:50.720 prices at higher than competitive levels which kind of like an arbitrary and like what what is

02:05:56.640 the ideal competitive level like any other cartel a guild had an incentive to just to disguise direct

02:06:02.880 price gouging so as to avoid public censure surviving documentary sources which were often

02:06:08.120 inspected and even generated by the public authorities therefore severely under records

02:06:12.920 such activities i mean based on what that sounds speculative but anyway guilds adopted a variety

02:06:19.400 of approaches to fixing prices and about a quarter of the 96 observations guilds simply agreed

02:06:24.840 internally on prices it's clear that these prices must have been higher than competitive ones since

02:06:29.640 the guilds found it necessary to enforce them coercively but just the point is like only like

02:06:33.880 a quarter of them you can prove did that and i see other numbers in here like 15 of the guilds

02:06:40.040 are responsible for something nefarious right but she's saying that's like there was she uses all

02:06:46.580 this slippery language also like she's saying like okay so a small component of these groups

02:06:52.040 ended up being criminal okay well i mean that's what laws are for though so if the government

02:06:58.000 isn't stepping in and like you're admitting that this is a crime that these are evil things

02:07:03.040 if there's laws against it the government should be enforcing it if the government isn't enforcing

02:07:07.700 the laws or worse the government is in bed with these guilds and is encouraging them taking a cut

02:07:13.840 then who's what's who's who's really doing this let's be honest right like if we live in our

02:07:19.960 anarcho-tyrony right now because there's you know blacks in the street raping people i'm mad about

02:07:25.300 the blacks but i'm also mad about the cops who will arrest me for saying something so like i'm

02:07:30.560 and i'm frankly more mad at the cops than i am at the blacks because the cops one job is to do

02:07:36.480 something about that so you're mad at the guilds when the government at any time could have put a

02:07:41.180 stop to the small number of guilds who were gouging if you're so mad about the gouging but

02:07:45.600 no it's all about the fucking guilds it's all about the people that actually produce right

02:07:48.840 and also let's just give a story you know a parable here about what she's trying to invest

02:07:57.760 you in which is that let's say there's a guild of 12 bakers and here comes a 13th baker and maybe

02:08:05.200 he's a little strange looking a little exotic and he wants to become a baker apply his trade

02:08:11.600 and for whatever reason those 12 bakers don't want to invite him into the guild maybe they don't like

02:08:16.240 the cut of his jib maybe he's not that good whatever the fuck is they decide we don't want

02:08:21.760 you in this so you can't be a baker she wants you to say that poor 13th baker that poor that outsider

02:08:29.040 he should be allowed to bake i'd say why i don't care but maybe they were right maybe maybe maybe

02:08:36.240 they don't need any more bakers right there actually is a like despite all the competition

02:08:43.440 you want that that's one of the interesting things you'll find even within product categories like

02:08:47.760 the market actually does have a cap of whatever the product is that you will reach it's not you

02:08:53.760 You can just have infinite competition.

02:08:56.000 It's usually around two or three competitors.

02:08:58.200 And this is why what I'm saying is like typically with a proper guild or a

02:09:02.520 co-op, they won't coerce that guy into not becoming a baker.

02:09:06.980 They just won't let him join their group.

02:09:09.300 And because he can't join their group,

02:09:11.400 he won't be able to get ahead because he doesn't have the resources.

02:09:14.280 They're not saying you're, you're, you're, we're going to,

02:09:16.860 if you start your own bakery, we're going to burn it down.

02:09:19.080 Nobody's saying that you can go and start your own bakery.

02:09:20.920 You're not going to succeed.

02:09:21.980 you're going to fail and you're going to waste a lot of resources in your failure and you're

02:09:25.440 going to have to compete on price and you're not going to be able to because we're gonna we're just

02:09:29.140 gonna you know we're gonna loss lead and beat you you're not gonna win so and again this is

02:09:35.680 your market like the guilds are actually productive they don't need to be coercive

02:09:42.240 to to win in a market so again it's just it's bizarre that she's using a market like the market

02:09:49.360 is her her her backdrop that she's gonna tar this guy again i don't know yeah but like we

02:09:55.600 the to your point within a market oligopolies are a function of the market like you can just have

02:10:01.200 that yeah it's natural there's there's bad there's bad monopolies but there's a lot of monopolies

02:10:05.520 within a market that are like rail lines for example like rail lines it's very difficult to

02:10:10.240 have competing rail lines it doesn't make economic sense so usually rail lines will just become

02:10:14.800 monopolies which is why they're often nationalized but like to just say oh but that evil rail

02:10:19.280 line wouldn't let somebody else build a rail line it's like well we're not gonna say you can't build

02:10:23.920 it but like we're already established everybody is already using it like you you have a moat

02:10:29.520 and if it doesn't make any sense was an easy and obvious benefit if there was something that the

02:10:36.960 regular rail line was doing so poorly that a competitor would be a no-brainer then you could

02:10:42.800 do it but the problem is like in all likelihood you can't make a better rail line as a competitor

02:10:48.080 so why even fucking bother like it might just be good enough i don't i don't love via rail here in

02:10:53.780 canada but i'm like it's good enough for this population size like i you can have another

02:10:58.820 rail line but it will need to be way way cheaper which wouldn't make sense right because at the

02:11:05.620 end of the day you're maintaining traction like it makes some business sense to do it sometimes

02:11:10.340 and here's a great one she wants you to feel really bad about this the groups that guilds

02:11:17.240 excluded from training included not just almost all females but also a large number of males

02:11:23.540 jews bastards gypsies former serfs and slaves most members of other religions

02:11:30.780 and nationalities those without the right percentage or parentage in the guild or

02:11:37.680 community those with an ancestor would practice a defiling occupation and anyone who could not

02:11:42.980 afford the entrance fees guilds enabled a privileged minority to obtain vocational

02:11:47.840 skills but excluded large numbers of underprivileged men and nearly all women from

02:11:52.040 investing in their own human capital which again are you allowed to control who's in your community

02:11:59.080 also because again this bitch is so stupid freedom of association is an expression of

02:12:05.800 social relationships as a market again you're you're miss market so let's stick with it this

02:12:12.240 is just people making decisions about who they spend their time with who they invest their

02:12:18.800 emotional energy in it's a market decision i don't like your haircut i don't like your skin color i

02:12:25.340 don't like the way you speak you got a weird eye your dad was an asshole these are all perfectly

02:12:30.200 reasonable you know excuses to not want to associate with somebody so again if you're miss

02:12:36.580 liberty miss freedom and market then you should be thrilled that these people are forming uh you

02:12:43.820 know these groups based on not a specific rule but any fucking rule they please right you just

02:12:49.800 there's certain rules that you don't like so yeah there's one point she makes here that i like we'll

02:12:55.380 end on this because i want to i don't want to drag her too much here and and maybe this is

02:13:01.360 historically inaccurate but it seems to track she says mega structures such as gothic churches

02:13:08.400 involve some of the greatest technological innovations in medieval european economies

02:13:13.280 yet guilds played no role in meeting these challenges the gothic building boom started

02:13:17.840 long before the earliest craft guilds builders guilds were set up much later even when they

02:13:22.560 were ultimately established they did not universally mandate apprenticeships in england

02:13:27.120 many notable examples of medieval building craftsmanship cathedrals abbeys and castles

02:13:32.480 were erected long before the rise of mason's guilds which appeared in london only after the

02:13:37.360 14th century in the italy too well known for its innovative and technically advanced construction

02:13:42.800 of mega structures only a few of the building trains were ever part of the guild system

02:13:47.920 technical knowledge in medieval construction was instead transmitted through quite different

02:13:51.760 institutions families kinship networks quarries and building lodges i mean some of those sound

02:13:58.960 synonymous right a building lodge shipbuilding was another high-tech industry yet guild mandated

02:14:04.720 apprenticeships were not central to diffusing its technical knowledge the edam shipbuilding industry

02:14:11.360 was as innovative as any in the 16th century the zan streak industry was innovative in any of the

02:14:17.760 18th and had no guilds the ansterdam and zexy industries were as innovative and the golden age

02:14:24.560 of holland they both abolished they both abolished guild apprenticeships in the 1560s merely requiring

02:14:32.320 an applicant to prove himself by working for a shipbuilder for a single summer so i that's the

02:14:39.840 stuff i find interesting where she's pulling historical data i don't know what percentage of

02:14:44.240 the overall you know workers and laborers in that that area that represents or how big the guilds

02:14:52.160 were what kills but it i like the claim that some of the biggest if any cathedral you can think of

02:14:59.600 not anyone but some of the biggest ones like there might have been no guilds involved in that at all

02:15:03.840 and i i just assume they were but maybe not and they just yeah so i i think let's keep that in

02:15:11.680 mind as much as we may disagree with her claim that it's wrong to allow bastards to get into

02:15:18.800 carpentry i think we all agree that no bastards should be allowed but but but she actually does

02:15:25.920 look at the numbers she goes through the history this is a serious study that she has made and so

02:15:31.520 i i think she deserves some credit for there i i figured this out i didn't watch any of

02:15:36.640 of interviews beforehand so i got this sense as i was reading it but then i started to because she

02:15:42.120 does take it seriously i'm like i can still take this data and just interpret it differently

02:15:46.580 which is what it did um anyway what did you think of that well it's cool i mean it's obviously it's

02:15:53.280 an interesting topic and i i agree with you that she's done the research if she's presenting it

02:15:57.620 i obviously don't like the insertion of politics into it or if you do it make it my politics next

02:16:03.900 time but i it's a good topic i mean i'm fascinated by guilt all right so we're starting on a sequence

02:16:10.900 of books that are very economically focused going back into history and and talking about the nature

02:16:17.640 we've discussed this at various points in the past but i think you're going to like where

02:16:20.940 we're going with this one um so anyway i'll talk to you next time nice man take care

02:16:25.980 hey baby i hear the blues are calling top salad and scrambled eggs

02:16:33.100 and maybe i seem a bit confused yeah maybe but i got you peg

02:16:40.040 all right i'm thrilled with this guest today uh and i say today because it's very early morning

02:16:49.200 for myself and it's later in the evening for him and we figured out a way to make it work

02:16:55.440 and I'm of course speaking of C.A. Bond. Now listeners of the show may remember that I

02:17:02.840 covered Nemesis. That might be one of the first books we covered years ago on the show and I was

02:17:11.080 a great fan of it and it was from a time early on in the launch of Imperium Press and my memory

02:17:19.140 was that it was Nemesis that was released.

02:17:23.000 This book that, and we'll get into this in a moment,

02:17:25.760 to my mind at least,

02:17:27.260 introduced the idea of elite theory to a lot of people.

02:17:31.340 And this was being discussed in the NRX sphere at the time.

02:17:35.740 But I hadn't really heard of it before.

02:17:37.100 And this was alongside Anthropomorphics by Dennis Bouvard,

02:17:42.680 who we also interviewed on the show years ago.

02:17:46.540 And then I think right around the time,

02:17:48.260 It was the three of those two books

02:17:50.720 And then there was

02:17:51.940 It was by

02:17:54.400 Fustel de Collage, The Ancient City

02:17:56.980 That was my memory

02:17:57.800 And those three stacked side by side

02:18:01.440 Were really, really interesting

02:18:03.160 There was other books as well

02:18:05.060 But those three were really strong together

02:18:07.880 So before we get started

02:18:09.820 I just want to say thank you so much

02:18:11.420 For joining me today

02:18:12.520 Yeah, it's no problem

02:18:14.480 I'm very happy to be here as well

02:18:16.400 and it's um i'm gonna start in a way that i know it's pretty lazy some would say sloppy but

02:18:25.560 i wanted to start by not asking tell us about yourself because i hate that but there's not a

02:18:31.920 lot of information about you uh for for people who are very interested i know so many people in

02:18:38.160 my audience especially those who've been around for a while we're very excited about this interview

02:18:42.640 and they might not have read your blog from back in the day I believe the title

02:18:48.400 was reactionary future but they just don't know much about you and without

02:18:52.960 getting you to divulge too much information I'd love to know a bit more

02:18:57.700 about your background you have a new book coming out let me just throw that

02:19:01.780 up first here on the screen so people want to know it's called Themis released

02:19:07.020 by Empyrean Press Nemesis is still available this is the follow-up the

02:19:11.260 sql so if anyone wants to check that out you can go on the website or you can scan that qr code

02:19:16.380 there usually when we do a live stream it'll pop up in the live chat as a direct link but people

02:19:22.220 in fact what i'm going to do right now is just uh put that up on screen here so people can see

02:19:32.620 themis by ca bond you can get it here choose your format there's imperial press the site

02:19:37.020 also if you would like to here is nemesis uh this is what started it all the juvenilian versus the

02:19:44.300 liberal model of human orders everyone check that out i'm just going to keep this on the screen

02:19:49.420 right now so back to the question um not a lot about you out there could you explain a bit about

02:19:56.300 your story about how you got into writing these books and maybe what your your history was that

02:20:01.740 brought you to this place yeah i mean i started probably back 2014 somewhere along that time uh

02:20:10.380 i i ended up creating the blog after reading um moldbook's blog uh because i when i read his blog

02:20:17.980 i found there was lots of things he was talking about which were very accurate and i ended up in

02:20:23.900 the nrx scene with people like nick land and the hestia society and all of that that group but i

02:20:30.780 But I ended up moving away from them because I couldn't see any sort of theoretical consistency.

02:20:36.540 I also had some major issues with Moldbug's blog and the thought he was putting out.

02:20:42.340 And when I went into it in more detail and looked at the background literature, I realized

02:20:47.260 that really what was the most interesting part about all of it was Bertrand de Juvenil.

02:20:53.000 And he forms the most coherent and interesting part of Moldbug's blog.

02:20:58.340 And once you extract him from Moldbug, you don't really need Moldbug anymore.

02:21:03.240 You don't need the rest of the NRAs, which they kind of petted off into not doing anything, really.

02:21:10.600 I mean, I say that.

02:21:12.120 I mean, recently I saw a Substack article about that period in time, which was linked to the Leverage Institute, which turned out to be a call.

02:21:19.240 But that's a whole of a different tangent.

02:21:22.940 But, yeah, so I ended up going off in a different direction, focusing hard on the juvenile.

02:21:27.120 because i realized that what he'd written in on power was actually completely correct his model

02:21:33.760 of how things work and what was happening was was was what was important and it ended up going off

02:21:39.440 in that direction and sort of developing um juvenile further into different areas which i

02:21:46.240 thought juvenile failed to actually do and that and that ended up with me getting involved with um

02:21:52.400 Bouvard, Adam Katz, and kind of trying to fit a more accurate anthropology behind this because

02:22:02.380 I, as you can see with Nemesis, I came to the conclusion that one of the big issues with the

02:22:08.880 Juvenile's work was that he, the anthropology he was trying to use in conjunction with his model

02:22:15.160 just did not work. There were two different things and they were conflicting with each other.

02:22:19.540 so at that point i'm i ended up very far away from moldbug and nrx and all of that

02:22:25.540 and then i ended up um coming up with um the neo-absolutism blog and the neo-absolutism

02:22:32.100 journal and developing it further that way and then i ended up following the trail even further

02:22:38.480 into this new book themis and that's taking me off into just a very different direction to where

02:22:45.260 I thought I'd start with basically now you mentioned a mold bug who some people especially

02:22:52.440 if they're new might forget that even like a completely different name before a Curtis Yarvin

02:22:57.580 and I'm curious without trying to get you to drag anyone publicly I don't know how much interest you

02:23:03.660 have in that we do on the show but um what are your thoughts on since knowing him back in the day

02:23:11.580 and unqualified reservations his original blog how he's developed you kind of broke from him

02:23:17.700 early on but has he proceeded down a path that you might disagree with well i i never knew him

02:23:24.960 i i've read his blog in detail because of again the juvenile part but i'd say he hasn't developed

02:23:31.460 at all and i'd say basically he's pumping out the same stuff as he was back then and i think one of

02:23:37.840 the major issues with what he was doing was that he wasn't approaching it in a one of the things

02:23:44.340 which I realized much later I was doing was I was approaching all of this in a very scientific way

02:23:49.620 so I found one particular point which I realized was absolutely accurate and then I kind of pulled

02:23:57.460 on the strings which developed from that to extrapolate from that the even more points which

02:24:03.940 made sense in relation to that so i was creating a a system which was coherent whereas yavin hasn't

02:24:10.920 done that because you have to understand what yavin is he's basically a zionist so what he's

02:24:16.760 doing is he's picking and he's cherry picking what he needs to fit with his particular position

02:24:23.660 i mean i don't hold it against him i mean if you're jewish and you you just support his

02:24:28.680 on your zinus and whatever that's your that's your issue but it just it doesn't help if you're

02:24:35.480 trying to approach things scientifically which is what i was doing and that's yeah that's basically

02:24:40.480 what i was doing yeah and i think your approach is is more interesting to me and you know even

02:24:46.680 though i disagree with much of what yarvin does these days i'd like to credit him at least because

02:24:52.300 people who were in and around that that space at that time he started he was the one who started

02:24:58.520 going on bigger shows he was the one who was really going after interviews i do believe that

02:25:04.000 he popularized a lot of books a lot of people were into these sorts of books like i my memory was he

02:25:10.240 was one of the first people to mention the ancient city and these other and i think he was you know

02:25:15.980 Not essential, but he was pretty important in bringing Carl Schmitt back into the heterodox zeitgeist or wherever the fuck.

02:25:26.140 But you are correct, Zinus.

02:25:28.300 And just a bit of a tangent, I remember he published an article on his substack not long ago.

02:25:34.980 And this would have been after October 7th.

02:25:38.780 And for a long time, him and Nick Land were sort of the two guys of the NRX space.

02:25:45.620 even though it kind of didn't make sense that Nick Land would even be associated with that

02:25:49.540 because he's, you know, it's not like they were best friends at the time or anything.

02:25:54.680 And he's very difficult to synthesize into any other movement.

02:26:00.080 But, you know, he published this substack right around October 7th,

02:26:06.420 and he was speculating on how to resolve the conflict.

02:26:09.840 And just to summarize it, he had said,

02:26:11.840 what we should do is take all the Palestinians and move them to Florida and make them landlords

02:26:17.980 and that they just they sell their property and rent it to the Jews I'm like like it is the most

02:26:23.940 Jewish thing that's ever been written he's like then also and he said if you don't like this idea

02:26:30.000 you love dead children you just want to propagate violence and I'm like well like that's that's such

02:26:36.040 a I don't want to say unserious but that's such an outlandish approach and so every so often

02:26:41.100 And he'll do something like that, where he likes to sort of cloud what he believes.

02:26:45.000 He's very irreverent, very sarcastic.

02:26:47.040 But then when he comes up with a policy position, it's fucking insane.

02:26:51.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:26:54.420 Because, I mean, that's what he's doing.

02:26:55.700 He's just basically just stretching and pulling and twisting whatever he can to suit it, suit Zionism.

02:27:02.360 And then when it doesn't kind of suit him, he just drops it and goes off to something else.

02:27:06.420 I don't remember if he ever populized the ancient city.

02:27:09.980 I do know, he mentioned Juvenile briefly a couple of times, and most of the time he was banging on about Carlisle and Burnham's book as well, which I...

02:27:19.700 That's right, yeah, Carlisle, sorry, I might have credited Schmidt, but I know it was Carlisle a lot, and yeah, Burnham, and then Burnham.

02:27:27.160 and i guess that goes into a next thing which is that um i i credit you being you know let's say

02:27:35.860 an expert on elite theory but um you left the scene for an extended period of time and we can

02:27:43.780 of course get into that but because i'm very interested in that because i was around at that

02:27:48.620 time too and i remember what happened and a lot of people don't but anyway um in in and we talked

02:27:55.280 about this in the lead up to the interview uh have you seen elite let's call it elite theory

02:28:01.160 and that's very broadly defined by a lot of people these days but elite theory this used to be sort

02:28:07.760 of a marginal thing not a lot of people were talking about now everyone's talking about it

02:28:11.940 and there's people who you know staked their entire careers on it um and different subsets

02:28:19.120 of it you know with burnham you get the managerial elite there's guys like or mcintyre where that's

02:28:23.660 their thing and they have very large audiences and they weren't around back then not really

02:28:28.300 so have you watched elite theory as we you know broadly define it become more popular

02:28:34.560 and uh do you have any thoughts on that yeah i've seen it become popular but i i just really don't

02:28:41.460 understand what it is i i've poked around a bit and i've asked questions to people and i i just

02:28:47.360 don't understand what it is i don't understand what what half the people are talking about

02:28:51.240 Because what they seem to be doing is to take different thinkers from different traditions and then matching them together and then acting as if they can all be operated at the same time, even though they completely contradict and they have different theoretical systems backing them up.

02:29:10.120 So I really don't know what it means.

02:29:12.280 Yeah, and that's why I struggled to define it somewhat, because you have the Italian school of elite theory. And I wrote about this in a Vanguard's journal article not long ago. It is called The Power is Power Theory of Power.

02:29:30.180 And I was referencing a very popular figure in this space who's really taken a lead theory and put it on his back.

02:29:38.460 And that's Academic Agent, otherwise known as Nima Parvini, who's someone that I really don't agree with on anything.

02:29:46.240 I don't like him. I think I'm a certified hater of Academic Agent.

02:29:50.580 And he doesn't have many, but maybe I'm the only one, and that's fine.

02:29:54.240 but uh he's he's published books on elite theory and he's um tried to coalesce a lot of them into

02:30:01.260 into one workable theory to explain the the world and to explain that um and i'm summarizing i'm

02:30:09.280 trying to steal a man's position but um he's taken your model of elite theory which you know

02:30:16.060 i say yours but i always imagine concentric circles and there's the high low versus the

02:30:20.180 middle. It's very easy to kind of visualize and conceptualize how power operates. And most

02:30:26.640 importantly, and this is what I think a lot of people miss, it's an ecosystem of power. You can

02:30:33.780 have the intermediary powers versus the center of power. The center of power wielding the periphery,

02:30:39.460 the people, maybe wielding populism against the intermediate powers, which would be institutions,

02:30:45.060 the church whatever it may be that that to me is a more realistic model but i've noticed that a lot

02:30:51.520 of people and it's not even just in our space how christ how many times do you hear someone

02:30:56.420 say the word elites in mainstream media right yeah that's another thing that really

02:31:02.840 bugs me because well i mean i could imagine i don't think he was making an elite um

02:31:08.440 theory like a coherent one he did a number of books where you're just summarizing stuff and

02:31:13.780 he's fully admitted that's what he was doing um other people keep trying to talk about elite

02:31:18.620 theory as being some sort of coherent whole but i just again i i can't see it i can't get a grip

02:31:23.760 of it and i yeah when people keep talking about at least well i don't understand what they mean

02:31:28.480 by elite it's one of those words like sovereignty which people use and they act as if it's self

02:31:33.820 explanatory and it's obvious to everyone understanding what it means but i really

02:31:37.740 don't know what it means my understanding of what i think what's happening here with the word elite

02:31:44.520 is that it's the same thing it kind of happened with um in the field of ethics with the concept

02:31:50.240 of good and bad people are taking an evaluative term which is very specific uh context specific

02:31:57.200 and then they're just applying it as if it's a noun which can be abstracted reified and then

02:32:02.560 just throwing around everywhere because to be elite you have to be elite at something but they're

02:32:08.740 just using it as just elite when without specifying what do you mean by that i mean you see that a lot

02:32:14.260 for example in peter turchin's work elite theory which i don't know whether i'm being i'm probably

02:32:19.840 being a little unkind in this sense by picking on him taking him as an example um but they will say

02:32:26.040 things like there's an overproduction of elites and then you again you just left asking what do

02:32:31.000 mean by elites because what's elite has to be specific to the context and you're not specifying

02:32:36.800 that absolutely and sometimes just and i've been exposed to a lot of this shit uh they're using

02:32:46.540 the word elite as a substitute for bourgeoisie i mean that's very very it's a class signifier

02:32:53.860 but um and in the article i was discussing it's like really try and visualize it really try and

02:32:58.880 consider uh what is the ecosystem they inhabit is and when they say sovereignty that's a great

02:33:04.340 example and again i'll return to yarvin and he was he was trying to popularize uh i believe it

02:33:11.660 was carl schmidt that said this it was the sovereign is he who defines the exception to

02:33:17.880 the rules he is the top of the pile so he can decide what rules to bend and break and uh some

02:33:23.740 people will also say uh to identify who has power look to who you're not allowed to criticize there's

02:33:30.120 all these maxims and some would say even platitudes but then okay then who is it who do we know who

02:33:37.280 actually who is at the top who's the monarch right now what's is it donald trump well that's not

02:33:43.700 just one of the reasons why i wrote the new world them is because when i was i actually stopped and

02:33:48.900 I decided to think, well, who's the center in Nemesis

02:33:53.880 was kind of becoming synonymous with sovereign.

02:33:57.480 And I stopped and I thought, well, who is sovereign?

02:33:59.900 Who is the center in the American order,

02:34:01.700 the center in the British order?

02:34:03.000 And the more I thought about it, the more I couldn't make any sense of it.

02:34:06.400 I remember Yavin making the claim that it was the Supreme Court at one point.

02:34:11.400 And it just, again, it just doesn't make any sense.

02:34:14.520 So you end up with a situation where everybody's like, well, maybe it's them.

02:34:17.020 but oh maybe it's them maybe it's them and if you're in a situation where you can't even specify

02:34:22.060 that point and figure that out then maybe there's some questions that need to be asked about the

02:34:26.540 concept of sovereignty in the first place i mean like schmidt where he says sovereign is

02:34:30.940 who can decide the exception but i mean we're talking about a very specific legal uh situation

02:34:39.260 that he's highlighting and then claiming at that point then that just reveals the suffering when

02:34:43.740 And it kind of doesn't, because there's so many additional points you have to question there.

02:34:49.340 So it gets into a really complicated situation.

02:34:54.340 But again, yeah, that's kind of where we got into with Themis.

02:34:56.400 That's why I ended up going off in a different direction, because I really don't believe that the concept of sovereignty,

02:35:01.780 especially as a thing or as being the product of a single will, is a thing.

02:35:09.100 I don't think it's real. I think from Boding onwards, it's just been a giant mess.

02:35:13.740 yeah and i would argue that it's never been the case not as much as people think and i returned

02:35:20.380 to machiavelli i returned to you know i read the prince quite some time ago but uh i really found

02:35:27.260 that book very illuminating because what he's talking about is okay let's say you're there's

02:35:33.340 a lot he talks about in the book but what i recall the most is he's given it's a guide for how to

02:35:38.380 behave if you're implanted in power in either even a foreign or domestic situation and how to survive

02:35:45.740 because if you're implanted there and like you're in charge you're publicly the person in charge

02:35:50.460 you need to contend with all these other entrenched interests and these other power

02:35:54.780 groups and these power brokers and if you don't take that seriously they will consume you it

02:36:00.140 doesn't matter how much power how much you're in the seat of sovereignty but you won't be there for

02:36:05.180 long if you don't get the people to like you. And that's the populace, but that's also the other

02:36:11.120 power brokers and interests and the intermediate powers, let's call them. And I applied it to

02:36:17.200 every single situation. So anyway, back to Donald Trump, just as an example, the leader of the most

02:36:24.280 powerful and consequential empire in the history of the world, it seems that his hands are tied a

02:36:29.380 lot of the time and this isn't to say that the pop you it's not a populism argument but i find

02:36:35.440 with the elite theorists they dismiss a lot of that and they're trying to make a class-based

02:36:40.880 argument that they're they're this group called elites and in a sense they're directing our

02:36:46.640 attention to something that does exist we talk about the world economic forum it does seem that

02:36:50.860 there's this class of people that go to these special conferences and discuss how to make

02:36:57.020 mind control technology or whatever the fuck it is okay i get that but if you if you dismiss the

02:37:03.660 internal conflict just like the supreme court the supreme court holds the power okay let's let's

02:37:10.000 accept that but what is the supreme court it's bifurcated politically and they're always there's

02:37:15.700 like one guy we like even all the all the racists have to be like well you know clarence thomas he's

02:37:22.160 one the good one just like okay but it's like that there's who is the sovereign in the supreme court

02:37:27.560 what is that and this kind of gets to your idea about what is this construct called the supreme

02:37:33.020 court right well if you go back to like bodin i was reading recently i just went back out of

02:37:38.040 curiosity the thing is i'm reading through an english translation which is risky because you

02:37:43.680 don't know what the english translator has done to bodin who was writing what the 15th century

02:37:48.460 i can't remember what time and even then like the french from the 15th century is not gonna be same

02:37:53.100 as the french from now and it's gonna there's so much nuance with translations that's one of

02:37:57.020 the reasons why i tried to read um machiavelli in the original italian tuscan and same with discourses

02:38:02.540 on um living which has to be read in conjunction with the prince because they're the companion

02:38:07.340 books um that's that's another point as well because actually nick machiavelli is actually

02:38:12.780 a juvenile i i realized that when i read for it in detail i come to the conclusion he's actually

02:38:17.820 operating with the juveniles political structure in place i i mentioned that in themis uh in one

02:38:23.340 of the chapters um and one of the reasons why i think people miss that is because at one point

02:38:29.820 he copies an entire section from one of the roman writers and it just doesn't make any sense in

02:38:36.860 relation to the prince and the rest of discourses and if he but if you disregard that the rest of

02:38:41.820 it is just basically the same high low middle pattern of um organization and what he's what

02:38:47.820 he's done is in the prints he's given a guide on how to centralize so he's given a guide for the

02:38:55.420 high on how to centralize against the middle but then when you go to discourse in the vivi

02:39:01.020 he gives a guide for the middle and how to deal with the high if they need to so it's really

02:39:07.900 interesting uh compact that really interesting to go back and look at that with the juvenile in mind

02:39:14.460 yeah going back to bowden and sovereignty issue i realized when i was reading the bowden what

02:39:19.260 he was doing was he was trying to create this concept of sovereignty where it's like a thing

02:39:25.900 which you own like a title and once you do that you end up with a situation where again if you're

02:39:32.300 doing this whack-a-mole where you you're running through a different order trying to figure out

02:39:36.140 out who's at the top, who's the final point, who's the final will. But again, none of that makes any

02:39:42.320 sense when you stop and think about it, because we can't figure out who that is. And the reason

02:39:45.760 why you can't figure out who that is is because it doesn't exist. Sovereignty as the product of

02:39:51.380 a single will or something which a person can own, it just doesn't make any sense. It's a category

02:39:56.760 error. And you can see this in, for example, like the concept of traditions, because when you go

02:40:04.360 into traditions and you start to ask questions okay well if you're saying this person is the

02:40:08.840 sovereign why why why is everybody recognizing him as the sovereign why are they able to make

02:40:14.160 that decision well they're able to make that decision because the rest of the order has

02:40:18.500 a tradition which started inhabiting where they recognize that person as the person who's

02:40:24.000 capable of making the decision in that sort of situation so that's not so much that they own

02:40:29.920 sovereignty or they're the final will the reason why they can make that decision at that point is

02:40:35.840 because the rest of the order recognizes them as the decision maker who can make the decision at

02:40:40.220 that point which is what's happening with schmidt he's not really identifying the sovereign he's

02:40:45.040 identifying the person who's been accepted as the person who's capable of making the decision at

02:40:52.180 that particular point in whatever crisis there is so he's making a massive it's a category or

02:40:58.300 basically yeah what's interesting is there's something sacrificial about power and i got

02:41:05.000 locked onto that idea that you know i remember reading demaistra and i think it was on sovereignty

02:41:11.560 and i would have read this years ago but i remember what i kept taking back from it and i

02:41:17.960 kept thinking about was you know sovereignty is a space you occupy it's not a title you possess

02:41:23.700 it's not something you hold it's something very transitory and then i liked that idea and i might

02:41:30.440 be paraphrasing it too much but i really fell in love with the idea it's like it's something that

02:41:35.940 you can occupy but it's it's something you're permitted to do and you become something if you

02:41:41.720 do it right you become something other than human especially if you become a great man of history

02:41:46.440 you become something mythological then you're not a person anymore you're this this function of

02:41:51.240 something else yeah i've been meaning to read him because i i remember coming across a quote from

02:41:56.020 him where he says something along the lines that at the center of your constitution has to be

02:41:59.900 something dark foreboding and you can't approach it it's not questionable and it just made me think

02:42:06.260 that yeah i understand what he's talking about he's basically saying that like sovereign people

02:42:11.320 what he's talking about is sovereignty has to be placed external to biological people it has to be

02:42:16.600 put out of the rest of the people's hands.

02:42:20.400 It has to be some dark scent which you can't question.

02:42:24.920 I really wanted to read into that and get more detail on that.

02:42:27.880 Because I remember the Maestri,

02:42:31.140 one of the things you should really ask yourself is

02:42:33.000 when you're reading a political thinker,

02:42:34.660 you have to ask yourself,

02:42:36.040 would someone who's seriously empowered read this person

02:42:39.320 and ask these personal questions if they could?

02:42:42.360 And the Maestri is one of those people where, yeah,

02:42:44.380 they would.

02:42:45.220 know napoleon apparently asked to meet with him at one point to discuss his theory because when

02:42:51.120 you look at the um like diaries or the comments which you get from these leaders like napoleon

02:42:57.200 or your stalin's or mao's they they're not going to be carrying around with them copies of block

02:43:02.240 they're going to be carrying around with the copies of people like machiavelli um so that

02:43:06.300 gives you an insight as to who's actually talking about something worthwhile and who's just

02:43:11.280 completely pointless yeah and unless I'm mistaken I think Demaistra at least volume one of Demaistra's

02:43:19.160 works was also published by Imperium Press I always get jumbled up with Antelope Hill

02:43:23.720 because they were I mean they're both in operation right now but yeah look I really

02:43:29.280 like Demaistra and I think there's a great there's this foundation of elite theory and

02:43:35.600 i guess what applied sovereignty with some some other study that often gets ignored

02:43:42.480 um and and again people what we're what we're talking about right now in my mind would be

02:43:49.220 dismissed by a lot of the elite theorists and um i was going to mention nemo parvin just because

02:43:55.040 he's been so explicit at this he would say that uh the elites as he would term them uh they they're

02:44:01.860 non-ideological the non-religious they are just these high level operators self-interested

02:44:07.380 operators that deploy all these other things populism all these other you know ideology

02:44:13.240 like ideology itself it's almost kind of like a very leftist interpretation i'm not accusing

02:44:18.440 of being a leftist but i think he has a debt to leftism yeah by saying that kind of like

02:44:24.240 capitalism you can substitute a capitalist for an elite by saying like they don't believe anything

02:44:28.540 they just want and then they trick everyone else with all these distractions right which

02:44:33.980 so they would reject a lot of what we're saying i think the thing to me on one level it's true

02:44:40.620 but on another level it's just not because again one of the things that's missing from that is the

02:44:45.380 concept of traditions because when you start going on the mosca direction where it's like oh they're

02:44:51.060 just doing what they want they need to do and then afterwards they come up with an excuse to explain

02:44:55.020 it that's kind of putting them outside of traditions and it's putting them in like a

02:44:59.020 position like a god-like position but these people these um elites if you want to call them that

02:45:04.940 they're actually operating within traditions and using concepts and ideas which they've inherited

02:45:09.900 from previous um people in their position so they end up they're not they're actually when you when

02:45:16.380 you factor in traditions they're actually acted upon just as much as they're actors but if you

02:45:22.220 actually um if you end up talking to any of these people in these positions or you read what they're

02:45:26.860 talking about you do kind of get the impression that they see themselves as kind of like these

02:45:31.500 puppet masters even though they make a giant mess of it because they don't understand their position

02:45:36.300 in the thing um i i remember one there's one book i think it's who who paid the piper or something

02:45:42.380 like that where i can remember one of the ci guys was um making a point that he was reading newspapers

02:45:49.980 And he was finding articles coming back with just complete nonsense, which he pumped into the information ecosphere previously.

02:45:58.660 And it was coming back at him as if it was the truth.

02:46:00.940 And that's kind of what's happening on a generational scale.

02:46:03.920 You have the previous people doing this Machiavellian stuff or doing this thing where they think they're manipulating everyone.

02:46:10.180 And then the next generation takes it on and they have to operate with that complete mess that they've inherited.

02:46:16.000 And it's like, again, one of the big issues that happens here is everybody's missing out on the role of tradition, the fact that the language and traditions we inhabit actually constrain and direct the way we're operating in now.

02:46:29.340 But, again, it is kind of accurate to some degree, because there are people in that position who do think like that.

02:46:35.480 They think that they're operating from pure reality and they're master manipulators, when they're not.

02:46:40.680 They're just idiots, basically.

02:46:42.040 yeah there's um and again i've been around this space not i've been active in this space creating

02:46:49.900 content for quite some time but i was paying attention to it even before that which is to say

02:46:54.200 that i've got a memory and an experience of how it developed whereas some people who get into this

02:47:00.160 now there's a lot of young guys who get in this space and they've only heard about it for the

02:47:03.980 first time so they don't know where it comes from they don't know where people might be you know

02:47:09.740 streamlining it and um they don't understand the process how you get there so they just take it

02:47:15.900 and it's this game of broken telephone with some of these very old and very valid ideas and it's

02:47:21.740 very hard i just sound like an old curmudgeon when i say like everyone's getting it wrong but

02:47:27.740 like i would always point to you i'd say this here's the book and it was out it was out of

02:47:31.900 print for a long time you couldn't get nemesis for a long time and i recall at one point used

02:47:37.420 copies were going for something like $250 on Amazon. So it was in high demand, but you couldn't

02:47:45.020 get it. But yeah, I mean, I've had people repeat back to me stuff, which I've written in sort of

02:47:51.080 different guises, not realizing he's coming directly from me. So yeah, I understand it,

02:47:56.000 because people, humans are, again, this is why I went into so much detail with epistemology in

02:48:01.420 this new book, because you have to have an account of humans, which takes into account the

02:48:05.740 epistemological limits of the human mind and also the the fact that humans are developing

02:48:12.540 generations we have different generations of people coming up and they have to learn and they

02:48:16.800 have to be indoctrinated educated and brought into traditions and they're operating from a

02:48:25.580 position of just not knowing anything so you have to take into account what they don't know

02:48:30.320 what they need to know and then educate them accordingly.

02:48:34.740 One of the major problems with liberalism,

02:48:37.280 it just doesn't have an account of human epistemology,

02:48:40.240 which takes that into account at all.

02:48:42.260 So you end up with this situation where traditions

02:48:44.760 is just completely lost on them.

02:48:46.660 And you can see that with human rights,

02:48:48.300 where you see younger people take on human rights

02:48:51.260 and then they always act like it's just reality,

02:48:54.460 base reality that it can operate from.

02:48:56.320 It's like, obviously, it's completely true.

02:48:58.060 But if you've got any memory,

02:48:59.320 you can go back a little bit further in time you know it's not it's complete nonsense you

02:49:03.940 do it with so many different things and what i found so amusing and i'm sure you're aware of this

02:49:10.020 but uh liberals tend to be the primary losers of the game that they initiate meaning they approach

02:49:19.900 you know i always think of game theory and game theory is a very deep and you know wide area of

02:49:27.300 study, but in approaching how people would engage in a game or a transaction, there's this idea

02:49:34.280 that they both need to be coldly rational, disinterested people. But the more he's reading

02:49:39.740 about game theory, the more he's like, no, you need to actually take in their peculiarities into

02:49:44.000 account. I'm saying this to say that when you think of high level, higher order power transactions

02:49:51.740 between the types of elites that we're talking about.

02:49:54.940 You know, if you've got a Muslim versus a Mormon,

02:49:58.780 a Mormon billionaire versus a Saudi oil sheik

02:50:03.120 or something like that,

02:50:04.140 it's not the case that they just drop their adornments

02:50:08.500 and they enter.

02:50:09.700 You need to go approach this transaction

02:50:12.180 from a game theory perspective,

02:50:13.480 which is that I'm going to fact,

02:50:14.780 I need to sort rank what their priorities are.

02:50:17.780 And it could very well be the case

02:50:19.720 that the Saudi is really a Muslim

02:50:23.020 and he's really, I need to know about him.

02:50:25.980 I need to know his priors.

02:50:27.420 It's not that he just sweeps that all away

02:50:29.340 during a transaction.

02:50:30.340 They bring in all these prejudices.

02:50:32.980 They bring in all these biases

02:50:34.360 and these cultural debts.

02:50:36.480 And it just doesn't seem the case.

02:50:38.540 You know, I'm going to give you another,

02:50:39.480 I'm talking a lot around,

02:50:40.420 but consider Jeffrey Epstein.

02:50:44.060 And I talk about this in a previous article

02:50:47.020 on Vanguard's Journal as well,

02:50:48.300 But it's like, does him being Jewish seem to factor in to his transactions?

02:50:54.780 Well, according to his leaked emails, he seems to bring it up a lot.

02:50:59.920 You can't remove his Jewishness, perhaps even Zionism, from the deals that he was making at the top.

02:51:07.840 So that just seems to be plainly obvious to me that you can't just say like, oh, at least they're just, they don't believe in anything.

02:51:14.520 Yeah, they do.

02:51:15.540 And even in a case where they think they don't or they believe they don't or they do, because it's impossible not to, because when you get into the weeds with traditions and you realize the role that language is playing on influencing people's worldview and dictating their worldview, it becomes very clear very quickly that that's the case.

02:51:35.220 because how we even conceptualize certain things

02:51:38.660 is dictated by the language that we're using.

02:51:40.840 I mean, it kind of brings us into a Sapir-Whorf hypothesis,

02:51:44.220 which is trivially true.

02:51:46.780 And it's one of the things which I went into in a lot more detail on Thames

02:51:50.960 because, yeah, these different people are coming from these different directions

02:51:55.300 with these different traditions.

02:51:56.820 So even if you come across these different people

02:51:59.720 using the same word in conjunction with each other,

02:52:02.520 they can both have very very different understandings what that word even means but

02:52:07.640 with liberalism and the modern world in general they just it kind of just skips over that point

02:52:13.220 and acts as if that's not really the case when it clearly is yeah and this this is where the model

02:52:20.980 gets messy and people don't like messy models i'm not saying i have it i'm not saying any person has

02:52:26.420 But what I have, especially after, you know, being as old as I am, I'm almost 40, I'm old as shit.

02:52:33.400 But, you know, these clean, streamlined models that this is the power, here's the new pyramid.

02:52:40.280 Here's the new pyramid of power, just swapping in who's at the top.

02:52:43.160 That doesn't interest me anymore.

02:52:44.680 And that's why I always loved your visualization of power in the ecosystem.

02:52:48.960 It's like, it's not something that's easily digestible to a lot of people, but it does seem more accurate.

02:52:56.420 and maybe we're working towards the fully coherent final map of power there's been many attempts at

02:53:04.100 it but i think this is closer to that than any other substitute which might sound better which

02:53:10.420 might you you might feel better believing it in a more reductive model but i don't know that just

02:53:15.940 doesn't interest me anymore yeah it's lost these reductive models flying around i mean

02:53:21.780 they're always seem to be pushed by people who consider themselves to be realists and

02:53:26.180 And they're always very aggressive in pushing their model

02:53:28.780 and explaining how they're realists.

02:53:30.860 And then the model doesn't explain anything.

02:53:33.080 It goes off into weird directions

02:53:34.540 or it just falls flat on its face.

02:53:36.740 It's kind of irritating.

02:53:38.660 Because they usually end up just making it

02:53:40.740 so that one aspect of human nature is the dominant one.

02:53:44.500 Like, oh, everybody's just self-interested.

02:53:46.520 And you can explain the whole of society

02:53:47.960 by just patching together,

02:53:50.380 everybody's self-intersecting together.

02:53:52.400 I mean, that's kind of liberalism

02:53:53.760 under the Adam Smith type liberal.

02:53:56.180 conception of like the economy and then just you can't model anything i mean if you could then they

02:54:02.000 would have done that by now especially with all the computing power devoted to ai i mean you'd be

02:54:06.760 able to put these models into ai and then say to ai here can you model our society based upon this

02:54:13.000 nonsense and nobody ever does it because they can't do it it's just a scam basically i want to

02:54:18.620 to ai in a second but before i get there um i'd be remiss if i didn't we didn't mention your time

02:54:26.540 away your semi-retirement from the space and because the reason i bring this up is because

02:54:33.740 i told my community i'm interviewing ca bond a lot of people were very interested when a couple

02:54:37.900 people had said oh i remember him didn't he crash out and dock someone and yeah that's not that's

02:54:46.060 that's not what happened but i i wanted you to take this opportunity to just maybe give without

02:54:51.400 again if you don't want to get too deep into it that's fine but at least let's correct the record

02:54:55.780 yeah what happened then was like at that point in time twitter was basically dominated by what

02:55:01.220 they called frog twitter i mean they came always stupid nonsense back then and it was basically

02:55:05.660 bap and that circle of like they're all basically israelis and jews and that type of thing who are

02:55:14.100 trying to dominate the sphere at that point.

02:55:16.860 And I ended up pointing out that I was probably one of the people

02:55:21.300 that actually read Bronze Age Perla's book

02:55:23.240 and actually read it cover to cover to try and make sense of it.

02:55:26.340 It was complete trash, nonsense.

02:55:27.740 No, I did the same thing because the reason I got into this

02:55:33.020 is because my experience is very similar to yours.

02:55:35.160 And I remember that time very, very well.

02:55:36.600 And I remember just so you know, being in various chat rooms

02:55:41.340 where they were talking about what was going on, especially with you.

02:55:44.100 But not long ago, I read Bronze Age Mindset by Bronze Age Pervert and his sequel under his real name.

02:55:52.940 It was called Selective Breeding and the Birth of Philosophy.

02:55:55.740 I read his PhD back then, so I'm pretty sure I know what the second book will be.

02:56:00.280 Yeah, it's pretty much the same thing, yeah.

02:56:04.280 But I remember, yeah, sorry, not to interrupt you, continue.

02:56:06.920 I'm just saying that I came to the same conclusions, sorry.

02:56:10.880 Yeah, I mean, it's just I read the book, it was nonsense.

02:56:13.000 i read his phd and it was like what what on earth are they talking about and i realized like nobody's

02:56:19.560 reading this book nobody cared about it and it was just being completely astroturfed and i ended up

02:56:24.200 getting emails from different people saying yeah people are being paid like 500 to review his book

02:56:30.040 and give positive comments and stuff like that so i ended up pointing that on twitter and then

02:56:35.080 everybody blew up and then it then started getting threats to well i don't i'm not sure if i should

02:56:40.840 say this about the publisher but i ended up asking let's put it this way i ended up asking mike to

02:56:45.080 pull the book from publication he didn't pull it by himself i asked him to do it because of the

02:56:49.640 the mess it was creating because obviously i tripped over some tripwire for some intelligence

02:56:54.920 agency or something i guess um so i ended up disappearing in the background ended up

02:57:00.120 researching more about the um the sort of networks are operating and who was doing what because i

02:57:05.560 still very interested in applying the model to actual reality and trying to figure out

02:57:10.440 if it applied to reality it does i i mean i managed to come across also very interesting

02:57:15.720 bits and pieces as i was on my semi-retirement at that point i ended up being um ended up

02:57:22.440 sort of in the sort of circle with people like joe davis and keith woods as well at that time

02:57:27.160 which is a bit odd along with bouvard and bouvard ended up um with um quite close to the teal

02:57:33.800 network i believe now he's off um with um will mandis and guys like that um so yeah i'm not sure

02:57:40.120 what's happening i didn't really pay that much attention to that sort of thing at the moment

02:57:44.040 yeah which is which is funny that at a certain point in the past you had guys like joel davis

02:57:49.320 with uh adam katz who was i remember hearing stories from joel days like meeting him and i'm

02:57:54.200 like this he was one of one of the most jewish men in america which is funny compared to what

02:57:59.640 everyone's doing and saying now but also I just want to highlight here that the

02:58:05.340 accusation against you was a you had doxxed Bronze Age pervert constant

02:58:10.400 Alamiru and I want to clarify it was not you it was I believe con bot and which

02:58:16.140 is interesting because if you look at cotton body was popular at the time it

02:58:19.740 still is his trajectory because you had mentioned sort of like the CIA aspect to

02:58:24.820 he's become so like anti-american anti-caa arguably some shade of marxist but i think he

02:58:33.140 effectively had the exact same interpretation of views like we've stumbled across

02:58:37.780 something here and yeah yeah sorry sorry i mean sorry you don't get credit for that and and a lot

02:58:49.700 of people are kind of turning on now but i always point like you and him were the first guys who

02:58:56.180 started calling this out all right sorry continue yeah because when i went to my like semi retirement

02:59:01.120 i ended up just trying to figure out what was going on who was doing what i just came with

02:59:05.020 collusion the whole almost the whole area is just filled with these different self-intelligence

02:59:10.140 networks and influence networks like that so he's just like one of many so who cares um but yeah

02:59:17.080 And what bugged me about it is the way that they're promoting absolute nonsense.

02:59:21.360 And they're doing it for specific reasons, like, for example, Israeli interests.

02:59:25.720 And it just undermines everything.

02:59:27.520 Because, I mean, think about this, right?

02:59:29.300 Trump has been in and out of office.

02:59:32.200 Trumpism has been around since, what, 2016?

02:59:35.860 I can't remember when he came in.

02:59:37.540 When was his first?

02:59:38.480 I believe it was 2016, yeah.

02:59:40.680 Yeah, so 2016 to now.

02:59:42.380 So that's 10 years, right?

02:59:43.380 in those 10 years can you tell me what um intellectual developments have happened as a

02:59:48.040 result of any of that in the u.s especially i mean recently we've had alamari whatever his name is

02:59:56.080 baps book come out where he's talking about selective breeding which is i i think somebody

03:00:01.280 did a substack article and not just tearing it apart because i remember reading his phd and just

03:00:05.600 reading it and just going just shaking my head as i was going because he was just making stuff up

03:00:12.160 and he was just plucking things out of the air which didn't exist like just some nonsense about

03:00:16.200 the pre-greeks the dorians or pre-dorians i can't remember exactly they were running around in

03:00:23.520 manabuns howling to the yeah yeah and that's his that's his model that he says men should have

03:00:31.120 no that does no like just no and you said something that i've said many times before

03:00:38.920 because some people they said it doesn't matter if it's made you know it might not be completely

03:00:43.600 accurate but it captures an essence and like okay i hear you but to me i i think i've read the same

03:00:50.280 substack that you did and there's i think i've read a couple that are just taking issue with

03:00:54.420 his specific claims and those claims are the foundation of his entire i would say political

03:01:00.840 structure that he's trying to build from that and i'm like okay it's someone had said i had so much

03:01:06.040 fun reading i'm like first of all you're not supposed to have fun reading shut the fuck up

03:01:09.380 but second of all i'm like that that sounds like a way to say like yeah it's bullshit but i like it

03:01:14.520 okay yeah you can have fun but it is bullshit like it just it has an incorrect premise and then so

03:01:22.580 everything built upon that doesn't really fucking work it's just like this thing about this right

03:01:28.500 you've got yavin who just diverts everything interesting it comes across into um

03:01:34.900 nothingness when it doesn't suit israel and then you've got bat who is just promoting absolute

03:01:42.000 nonsense and filling up the sphere in that area so like it's like yeah if that's just what are

03:01:48.620 they trying to do there are they trying to aim that the higher intelligent people to um to try

03:01:53.900 and get influence over them if so what are they doing because anybody with intelligence will read

03:01:58.660 down be just like what are you even talking about and then you have another example of this with um

03:02:04.880 The guy who's running the Burke Society, I can't remember his name now, he's another Jewish guy, he's quite prominent, he's got like eight kids or something like that.

03:02:13.200 let me say i googled one talking but um yeah so he he served the burke society right i don't know

03:02:19.180 if you're familiar with burke um but his whole society seems to be devoted to sort of judo

03:02:26.900 flipping the american constitutional development and the the founding of america into being

03:02:33.180 basically a a product a project which was influenced by jewish uh jewish convenant and

03:02:40.240 so basically he takes birth who has nothing to do with that he completely guts it putting his thing

03:02:48.720 which basically says oh america is basically founded on judaism and we're basically the same

03:02:55.340 people and we're we're the major influence for you blah blah blah so we're part of it when if you go

03:03:00.960 back into american history you look at the founding of america it was an entirely again we see yavin

03:03:06.060 actually complained about us on twitter a lot recently it's completely anglo-saxon project

03:03:11.100 like their entire project for the american independence was based upon a reading of law

03:03:16.540 and the concept of um sovereignty but more like the concept of who was um predominant in law

03:03:22.940 based upon readings of law which were derived from the ancient constitution and the idea that our

03:03:29.340 ancient constitution came from i think blackstone wrote that the woods of um germany uh the whole

03:03:37.580 idea was that they're operating on their premise that like the english monarchy was the norman

03:03:43.500 imposter it was um making new innovations to the constitution which he shouldn't do and the

03:03:49.500 constitution derived from anglo-saxons so again in all of that there's no jewishness there's no

03:03:55.020 biblical convent confidentism in there but he he he so judah flips it so you've got three different

03:04:01.420 people there operating in the intellectual sphere all doing the same thing and it's it's one of the

03:04:06.860 things where it's just interfering with the ability of anybody else to come up with coherent

03:04:14.540 theoretical conceptions of how to process government and how to develop new government

03:04:20.300 So they're kind of trying to make everything into a nonsense.

03:04:24.300 There's this meme you might have seen.

03:04:27.380 It's been trafficked far and wide.

03:04:29.680 It was some stick figure drawing of a man saying, like, I made this,

03:04:34.420 and then hands it to a black stick figure who says that I made this, right,

03:04:40.240 because he's imparting civilization to the African who says, oh, I made this the entire time.

03:04:45.180 I find with intellectual movements, replace African with Jew.

03:04:50.300 So, to hear Jewish people talk about it, they were pioneers of every single intellectual movement, you know what I mean? But they come in later and say, and this was the argument made in Tri-Faith America, which is a very interesting book that shows sort of not only the Jewish but also Catholic, I'd argue, subversion in America, which was historically, as you say, predominantly Protestant, predominantly white Anglo-Saxon Protestant.

03:05:18.360 And then something happened around the 50s and the 60s.

03:05:21.660 And then you started seeing this word pop up, Judeo-Christian, which was never mentioned previously.

03:05:28.820 And even then, it struggled to take off.

03:05:31.420 And you see it everywhere now.

03:05:32.780 But who's the primary ones using it is Jewish intellectuals.

03:05:36.640 And just the evangelicals in America, unfortunately, have become completely beholden to that.

03:05:42.360 But it's like a new thing.

03:05:44.760 If you listen to people like Bap, or he doesn't say this explicitly, he's very careful not to be explicit about anything he believes.

03:05:53.180 You really need to read between the lines with Koston.

03:05:56.420 Yarvin is a lot more direct and explicit in what he believes, and he's got such an archive of writing out there.

03:06:03.760 You actually can, if you just put everything he said, upload it to Cloud or upload it to any AI managed agent,

03:06:11.460 you could probably actually just say like find me the contradictions in it and it'll list you a

03:06:16.740 ton of shit i remember the name now yoram has a knee that's the guy that sounds familiar he's the

03:06:23.640 guy he's basically come up with an entire constitutional theory where he's just basically

03:06:27.000 put it oh it's just jews jews made it all it's nothing to do with that basically again it's

03:06:30.620 just it's complete it's taking the history gutting it and it's come up with brand new history

03:06:35.020 it's just nonsense so this what what happens is you get these people doing this operating these

03:06:40.160 intellectual um threads where they're not getting much pull they're not getting much interest i

03:06:46.940 mean like bat dropped his book on amazon now he got to number 20 but then disappeared and nobody's

03:06:51.920 ready nobody cares it's not really doing anything but what it does is it just acts as like um

03:06:56.660 it fills that space so anybody else doesn't get particularly any attention and they can't

03:07:03.240 progress because they just keep being yeah undercut by people like this if i could just

03:07:08.840 add to that which is the reason I had read his book initially was because I'd read his articles

03:07:15.140 and I didn't really care for it and I saw a lot of his posts and care for that and so I had an

03:07:20.280 opinion of him and everyone kept saying well have you read his book have you listened to his show

03:07:24.440 I'm like I have listened to his show I haven't read his book and so all of his fans were saying

03:07:28.600 well you don't get to have an opinion so I read his first book and his second book and then I

03:07:34.200 started quoting it and i noticed that none of them had read his book none of his listeners

03:07:39.320 and actually they they just love the idea of it being out there or they point to it but it's

03:07:45.240 something like if i've done this before i actually quoted the book to them and they refused to

03:07:49.880 believe that was in there and i've watched them go download a pdf read it like i'm getting this

03:07:56.140 on x or whatever and they're like oh well you're you're misreading i'm like you didn't even know

03:08:00.280 what the fuck he said until five seconds ago just thinking the next question that you can't come

03:08:05.180 from this like what's the purpose of all this i mean did you really think that um that perhaps

03:08:10.660 book that that on selective breeding or nonsense like that was actually going to make a an impact

03:08:16.260 into intellectual circles right so what what was the purpose in that the same with hasn't he like

03:08:22.360 they didn't really expect anybody with half a brain to be able to who understood the intellectual

03:08:27.540 history of this sort of thing to actually read the history and then read his book and

03:08:31.540 to go yeah yeah this makes sense even though the earlier founders of america were doing stuff like

03:08:37.020 wanting to put anglo-saxon um the first anglo-saxons on the seal of america and it's like

03:08:42.960 really we're supposed to believe that it was supposed to be set up as a jewish confidence

03:08:48.760 type state when they're all writing books and writing pamphlets saying we're basing this on

03:08:55.700 new saxon law now what do you think i just really curious just about what the whole purpose of this

03:09:02.980 is so then again we're 10 years down the line what what's actually been produced in america

03:09:07.620 of any value by the right or any anywhere in that sort of sphere have they come with any new

03:09:13.220 political theory any sort of new political direction have they developed anything done

03:09:16.980 anything or is it still just everybody sort of milling around trump while he just does whatever

03:09:21.780 he's what looks like he's ready to hand this talent to do and then it's just completely empty

03:09:27.320 you know what they've embraced um and i don't i don't call this a new idea but and this can

03:09:35.880 lead into sort of the the meta uh person that we get into themis but it's not any intellectual

03:09:43.220 project it's more the embracing of this idea that it doesn't matter if what you're saying is true

03:09:49.600 all that matters is that we win so to a lot of the more far-right MAGA people and even a lot of

03:09:56.340 people in many different spheres they've just accepted that we're not interested in finding

03:10:02.660 the truth we're interested in winning that's how the leftists operate that's how we're going to

03:10:07.380 operate there's a lot of talk of civil war there's a lot of talk of bloodlust and stuff so people

03:10:12.440 seem to be gearing up for armed conflict but it's i don't it there's no interest or there's

03:10:19.060 less interest in an intellectual project than there is in crafting propaganda that agitates

03:10:26.880 for war gets people into a state of conflict with the perceived opponent so even a lot of the

03:10:33.140 you know discussion and discourse around trump it's it's it's people who don't even like trump

03:10:38.880 but they they're trying to set the stage for a guy that could you know win it's about winning

03:10:44.220 and so that interesting okay but there's not a lot of you know the only other thing that i could

03:10:50.960 think of is i i could i think of nick land i hesitate to even call him you know on the right

03:10:56.480 but i know he's developing not developing but he's getting interested in this idea of the english

03:11:02.220 canon as sort of like a source code to a civilization and like he's kind of taking

03:11:07.820 i've read a lot of nick land i'm not the biggest fan of nick land having read a lot of it i like

03:11:15.100 a lot of his starting points but i don't think he can really ever excise his leftist priors

03:11:20.620 um and i think like i've read a lot of that ccru stuff we've read you know spinal catastrophism

03:11:27.020 cyclonopedia but i would almost say that really emerges from leftism i i hesitate to even call

03:11:32.380 that far right it's trying to like integrate with the far right because it's it's very it's it's

03:11:38.540 weird and people like weird things and it doesn't really fit into marxism or socialism but like

03:11:45.180 that's the only thing i think of people trying to but but taking it in a very you know metaphysical

03:11:51.500 direction like it's not even political at a certain point you got you got the idea over here

03:11:56.060 but then you're just also saying slurs on twitter but they kind of don't relate

03:12:00.940 unless it's in a very ethnic way very broadly well i i say i've known lick land make land quite

03:12:06.860 well since 2014. i mean i followed stuff off and on i mean i i don't get to lose qatari and all that

03:12:13.180 stuff it's just i read it and my mind just turns to mush what i think basically land has done is

03:12:20.860 that he's developed he's adopted the hegelian model with teleology but at the end of teleology

03:12:27.180 he's put like terminator 2. um and so everything ties in with the teleology which ends up with

03:12:33.980 the terminator 2 ending you know where robots end up as being the final end of history or whatever

03:12:40.060 in the fucking armor sense so yeah that's kind of what i think he's doing but i mean at least he's

03:12:45.740 got some sort of philosophical project i mean nobody else has got anything else so you have

03:12:50.700 dugan as well who has oh we do not like dugan in around these parts he's his his stuff is based upon

03:12:59.500 the um i can't remember his name there's such weird name just some sort of guy from uzbekistan

03:13:05.260 or something like that where they developed this idea that the biosphere or something is um

03:13:12.860 dictating the political direction or how different orders develop which kind of derives

03:13:21.600 kind of from nazism fascism that kind of strain again this brings us into epistemology which is

03:13:28.640 again which which why i covered a lot in themis because at least land and doing have come with

03:13:34.960 something different because they have a basis in a different epistemology i mean so at least they've

03:13:40.400 done something but everybody else has just done nothing they're just milling around coming with

03:13:44.400 things that they want they have no idea what's happening and this this i i can't see this

03:13:49.860 turning out very well in the anglosphere nobody has a clue what they're doing it's even more

03:13:54.440 pronounced in the uk where it's just a mess um yeah to your point i don't see anyone really

03:14:01.040 trying to develop what i think is necessary which is a more nuanced and more comprehensive view

03:14:07.220 a power that explains what's going on it seems to oscillate between find the next philosopher king

03:14:16.000 or in a we must locate them who's the next guy who's going to be perfect or like trying to or

03:14:22.580 digging through history and finding a gem that they think can explain our current circumstances

03:14:28.420 both of these i think are interesting but overall misguided at least immediately yeah i think what's

03:14:34.700 happen is basically liberalism modern um political theory modernity in general it's just it's just

03:14:40.780 run out it's got to the end of the road it's come it's it's explored every possible permutation it

03:14:45.360 can it's come with all sorts of nonsense like because it was all based upon um this idea of

03:14:51.260 the individual being um individualized so then we've got to a situation where individuals so

03:14:56.900 individualized that they can make decisions on like what gender they are and like chop themselves

03:15:01.400 up and do all sorts of stuff it's like where else do you go from that and it's just caused

03:15:05.240 the complete chaos and again with um immigration all of that it's the same thing where you can say

03:15:09.960 oh afghans completely interchangeable western people you just throw them all in and then they've

03:15:14.840 gotten everything they wanted it's it's happened and then they're just stuck in a situation where

03:15:21.560 it's just a mess now because there's nowhere else they can go there's no more ideas you can come

03:15:25.720 with i mean how much more can you individualize everybody so but everybody else the normal people

03:15:31.240 have to put up with this is just done with it and they're throwing the hat in with whoever they can

03:15:36.840 find but the problem is those people on the right who are beneficiaries of this collapse they haven't

03:15:43.320 actually done anything with or they don't understand the situation they think they're winning but they

03:15:47.560 haven't really won anything they've just gotten into the position by default and it's it's just

03:15:55.080 It just doesn't look like it's going to end up very well because nobody's –

03:15:59.780 It feels like gambling.

03:16:01.520 It's like – and you get a gambler's mindset where you end up chasing losses.

03:16:05.320 That's where I think a lot of people end up, that you're in love with the idea of winning.

03:16:08.740 You worship at the altar of victory, but you actually don't know what winning feels like.

03:16:14.640 Very few people do in this space.

03:16:16.640 So, yeah, it's – yeah.

03:16:18.880 I know we need to get going soon, but I wanted – we didn't talk about Themis that much, but we can end on this.

03:16:25.080 because we'll talk about the meta person.

03:16:29.840 Now in Nemesis, we have the idea of the sovereign,

03:16:33.140 the center of power.

03:16:34.300 We've evolved that in the idea of a meta person.

03:16:36.940 So two points.

03:16:38.840 One, could we just explain that a bit further?

03:16:41.340 And secondly, how does AI fit into the concept

03:16:47.260 of the meta person?

03:16:48.400 Could AI, at some hypothetical point in the future,

03:16:52.220 be constituted meta person?

03:16:54.120 or do you just see it as an instrument of the center?

03:16:58.840 All right, so let's see how we can do this quickly

03:17:01.020 and explain it coherently.

03:17:03.600 One reason I went from Nemesis,

03:17:05.700 where I have the high-low middle model

03:17:07.740 to the Themis model, where there's a center

03:17:10.020 which is inhabited by, you could say by meta persons,

03:17:12.760 or just the center as it is.

03:17:14.580 And then you have upper intermediaries,

03:17:16.200 low intermediaries in the periphery still,

03:17:18.340 is because it can,

03:17:19.880 this brings us back to the sovereignty question.

03:17:22.420 There is no sovereignty.

03:17:23.700 no single person or single biological actor of any particular order who has the final uh who is

03:17:30.900 the final point who can tell everybody what what to do it the decisions from like for example a

03:17:37.700 judge or from a president or anything like it doesn't come from within themselves it's not like

03:17:42.580 they're they're super gods who can just float above everybody else and they're just everything comes

03:17:47.620 from their will what's actually happening is they're actually the interpreter of the center

03:17:54.900 in their given position so sovereignty goes from being something you can own and hold and be the

03:18:03.860 the final will that embodies that to being the person who's interpreting what the center is

03:18:11.780 trying to tell us to do and if you go back through history that's exactly what pre-modern

03:18:17.300 people understood was happening every single order nobody saw like the king or the priest has been

03:18:24.980 telling them or coming up with laws or telling them what to do based upon their will instead

03:18:29.540 they were interpreting what the center what the meta persons in that order were passing down as

03:18:34.580 to what they're supposed to do then modernity you go from this situation where it's interpretive to

03:18:41.140 a situation where it's a possession with bodin and it's the will coming from that individual person

03:18:47.300 That's when you have that turn that happens and then you end up with modernity and then we end up just running around trying to find out who's sovereign.

03:18:54.520 So what I think could happen with AI is that this AI ends up functioning as the center.

03:19:02.620 We end up treating it as if it's like an oracle in the same way that people treat the oracle in Greece.

03:19:09.940 They go there for confirmation or to get an idea of what they should be doing, because it ends up being a independent third point between all of the biological actors within that given order.

03:19:22.440 So there's no more question there as to who's sovereign. It's more a question of who can ask the AI what the question should be.

03:19:29.320 It becomes more clear in that sense. I mean, that's possible, but there's probably a couple of different possibilities which could derive from that.

03:19:39.940 Yeah. I hate separating artificial intelligence into something like Skynet. It's very easy to say it's going to become self-aware and take over. What's more perhaps nefarious is that it's regardless of how much control it exerts, it is going to exert some form of control into new thinking patterns and processes of whoever's in control.

03:20:06.960 because right now i don't care who it is you know we're i was talking about this in a group chat

03:20:11.760 just the other day um a friend of mine named theron he was asking you know is there a conflict

03:20:16.160 between those who have agency and ai or llms more specifically and i had said well what's interesting

03:20:23.280 about the development of ai it was like the early days of the development except it's gone through

03:20:28.800 warp speed it didn't get a point where only really weird people were using it it developed so fast

03:20:35.760 and had you know user applications very very quickly but it seems that the people who are

03:20:41.360 most excited about it and using it the most for more things are people with quote-unquote agency

03:20:47.240 or high iq or high performance or whatever so i'm like at the highest levels of power ai is there

03:20:53.620 right now taking over entire process on an individual level it's like you're not just

03:20:59.500 replacing entire departments with it which you might be that's what everyone's talking about

03:21:02.740 I'm like, no, you're like, you have the decision making of every single fucking CEO, executive, whatever, being integrated with that.

03:21:10.300 They're the most excited about it.

03:21:12.020 They know exactly what to use it for the moment they hear about it.

03:21:15.940 And it's the rest of the people, you know, maybe the lower classes that are struggling.

03:21:20.520 It's not gamified enough yet for people to really be interested in it.

03:21:24.960 So I'm like, look, at some point, like it's going to pollute the thinking patterns.

03:21:29.920 If AI itself becomes just a tulpa of neoliberalism, because it is whatever you put into it, it's just kind of a reflection of society back at it, but it has more trust than the media, more immediate, automatic trust.

03:21:47.500 then i'm like okay that could that could strengthen the center of power but then you separate the power

03:21:53.180 itself into quite literally a person the ai is a person you're talking to it could be that you're

03:21:58.860 talking to like some tulpa that of neoliberalism itself again i'm using you know very outrageous

03:22:06.140 language here but that yeah i mean the problem is here is like it depends if you can control ai and

03:22:12.620 somebody controls and controls what information is given out and how it's interpreting things

03:22:17.500 That would lead to probably more centralized power because they can start to control the narrative as they were doing with the media before, with mass media.

03:22:28.640 But if you did that, I think people would pick upon that quite easily and quite quickly, and then that becomes a bit of an issue itself.

03:22:35.900 And then other people can develop AI, which would be more honest.

03:22:40.440 and the other option is that it could lead to less centralization in the sense that it can

03:22:47.200 because one of the things in the time which i came to conclusion was there's one of the ways

03:22:50.860 you can control centralization or control the um wrong the centralizing you can going out of

03:22:57.400 control as it is in liberalism is if you control the ability of the center to um just make stuff

03:23:05.380 up which is what liberalism does all of the time and ai could be health in that regards because it

03:23:11.460 makes it so that people can actually pick up on the nonsense which has been put out quite quickly

03:23:16.260 and then present it through ai and it's not so much your opinion against other person's opinion

03:23:20.500 because you've got a third party in the case of the ai which is completely impartial and it's

03:23:25.780 giving information which is impartial to the two actors in question so that could cause a lot of

03:23:31.780 problem for centralization absolutely and now we need to get going right now i've had a fantastic

03:23:39.620 time speaking with you we actually covered everything i want to cover and i'm just going

03:23:43.920 to throw your books right back on here i'm going to start with nemesis um for those who don't know

03:23:49.820 i would still highly recommend nemesis i would still recommend nemesis and themis here i want

03:23:54.940 throw that up uh science of human orders um i encourage because elite theory is so popular now

03:24:02.220 i would really encourage especially young people who are interested in this stuff to go back to the

03:24:08.060 source and again just to give yarvin some credit one thing that he was big on was that you should

03:24:15.180 really go back to the source material you should don't just watch youtube videos on it don't just

03:24:20.540 watch debates on it try and get as close to the source as you can and that's not easy but try

03:24:27.660 try and just go back to the root of what it is that we're talking about if you must read james

03:24:31.820 burnham you can read james burnham but go back to juve now go back read you know everyone's read

03:24:35.980 the prince i read the prince i never read that other book by machiavelli and a lot of a lot of

03:24:42.940 people are looking for it's there it's readily available and i i think things start to make a

03:24:50.700 lot more sense once you go back and and remember why you're reading this at all which is i think

03:24:58.760 people want to just understand why things are the way they are they want to understand how power

03:25:02.840 works and don't be so bewitched by easy answers and um so with that in mind is there any closing

03:25:11.580 thoughts that you have anything that uh you like we we got the book anything else you like to promote

03:25:16.500 are you anywhere else online right now uh yeah i have a subsec at the moment which i'm i wasn't i

03:25:23.360 just summarized the book and my work so far and i i wasn't really planning on doing anything much

03:25:28.380 more with it but that the way the british situation is going at the moment i'm my interest is getting

03:25:34.860 piqued a little bit by that um so yeah i mean my subsec will probably be the place you can find me

03:25:39.820 know now let me just see if i can is it this one right here i got it up on screen perfect yeah okay

03:25:47.440 so yeah search up ca bond got him right here yeah so find him on there uh yeah are you recent

03:25:57.700 on substack did you just get on there because i'm i was kind of late to that i had a substack

03:26:03.200 before and i ended up deleting it because it was a bit um what's the word spicy i don't want to get

03:26:11.360 in any trouble i ended up getting one of my posts which went kind of viral it got like 15 000 views

03:26:16.320 in like two days um but yeah i didn't want to have any problems with passport control in the uk for

03:26:22.000 example so i ended up deleting that and this this one i put up just to summarize my stuff so it's

03:26:27.120 like 20 posts summarizing my work from emesis through to the end of themis and possibly like

03:26:32.880 the direction it might go afterwards because i mean if i did write another book it'd definitely

03:26:36.640 be on law and constitution um because i think the issue of law is again it's just something which

03:26:42.160 nobody bothers dealing with on the right when it's it's a massive uncharted territory which is

03:26:48.160 just begging to be exploited um yeah i would encourage you to write that book you should

03:26:54.640 write it you have a lot of fans out there a lot of people a lot of people look towards your writing

03:26:59.060 and take a lot from it yeah but the amount of effort and time it involved because one of the

03:27:03.540 reasons why i was going to do it because i ended up reading that the the argument was happening

03:27:07.540 between dawkins and heart and the reading also some his legal um history about the uk and it

03:27:14.480 came to conclusion none of them have any idea what law is where it came from which just stunned me

03:27:20.200 And this constitutional issue is what I'm beginning to write about on my sub stack now

03:27:25.680 because it's becoming a serious issue in the UK where the UK is basically a pressure cooker at the moment.

03:27:31.620 It's a constitutional issue.

03:27:33.240 It's going to blow up at some point, and it's not going to be pretty.

03:27:38.300 Yeah, I live in Canada, and so we look towards the UK.

03:27:42.820 We have a lot of listenership in the UK, and I have a lot of friends there.

03:27:47.920 and uh it's not dissimilar from what's going on in canada even though the state apparatus

03:27:55.060 yeah because we share a constitutional history so you're you're experiencing some of the same

03:27:59.800 problems but ours is much worse yeah much much worse and your state apparatus is a lot more

03:28:06.200 robust uh you it can project power more internally the one benefit we have in canada

03:28:11.140 is that it doesn't know what it's doing the state is very clumsy there's not a lot of money it's

03:28:17.000 averaging money it's quite weak yeah they've got no money they don't know what they're doing

03:28:21.480 and it's just even worse it's like because in canada you had the old english british type

03:28:26.760 constitution until you started introducing human rights type nonsense in the 70s along with us

03:28:31.720 but then we introduced the eu and then we pulled out of the eu in the 2000 or tried to in 2016. so

03:28:39.000 we have the old constitutional kind of order which was a mess in itself then we have the human rights

03:28:44.040 constitutional rights nonsense which is a mess again then we have the eu stuff which is a mess

03:28:48.920 and we pulled out of the eu stuff which is a mess it yeah it's a pressure cooker it's going to explode

03:28:54.840 i i think so too and when i say that i always want to highlight that i take no pleasure and i don't

03:29:02.920 relish saying that some people do some people they love the idea of mass violence but i always

03:29:08.360 tell people to you know temper their projections because like when you talk about sectarian

03:29:14.120 conflict you don't understand how ugly it can get you know talk talk to people who've been

03:29:19.080 through it on your own territory i mean it's all very well encouraging other people start

03:29:23.240 never on your own territory but the constitutional problems in the uk are so severe and

03:29:32.120 because you have reform coming along who are trying to throw all sorts of stuff the

03:29:36.760 wall to try and make something stick trying to get like the uk back to an older form of constitution

03:29:41.800 but they don't really know what they're doing i mean i've read some of danny kruger stuff and

03:29:45.400 it's just incoherent most of the time he's a smart guy that i've seen his posts and stuff about it

03:29:50.280 it's just incoherent and it's not his fault i mean it's the fault of the whole angosphere tradition

03:29:55.880 it's just incoherent at this point and then you have the labor party who are trying to drag their

03:30:00.840 feet and they're trying to come up with some sort of way to drag us back into the eu which is itself

03:30:06.200 a mess and it's going to explode as well because it's the way they did it was just nonsense but

03:30:11.080 it's a really complicated situation the massive legal constitutional issues involved here which

03:30:17.240 nobody's taking serious enough and eventually it's going to come to a head at some point because

03:30:22.600 you have to have somebody making decisions but at the moment nobody knows how to make decisions or

03:30:26.840 who's supposed to be making decisions because you've got you've got like three different

03:30:30.040 constitutional kind of orders in place and each of those constitutional orders have their own

03:30:33.880 interpretation it's just a mess i agree completely and uh if you stick around if you stay in the

03:30:41.600 space and publish that third book i'd love to have you back on and we can discuss that link

03:30:45.500 because i think that's the type of thing that more people need to be hearing about and i'll just say

03:30:50.480 thank you again so much for taking the time to sit down with me i know you're a busy man

03:30:54.920 i had a phenomenal time talking to you and um hopefully we can speak again soon

03:30:59.720 Yep, no problem.

03:31:01.720 Hey, baby, I hear the blues are calling

03:31:03.720 tossed salads and scrambled eggs.

03:31:08.720 And maybe I seem a bit confused.

03:31:11.720 Yeah, maybe, but I got you, Peg.

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