Blood Satellite - #KillVaporwave Meme Contest Stream Audio

00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be

00:00:07.720 i don't think anybody's ever started a stream like first time ever live and done it like

00:00:23.120 fucking perfect right out of the gate we didn't know no joke most streams are trash

00:00:27.220 yeah they're awful i mean we're fucking great who's calling me tinny fuck you i'm not you know

00:00:33.020 the thing is he's kind of naturally tinny though yeah my voice i just have a tinny voice

00:00:37.660 yeah makes it sound robotic you know what part of this might just be odyssey too because

00:00:44.140 you were saying that during the intro you're seeing like the same 10 seconds also you got

00:00:49.500 shitty internet fair enough fair enough actually don't okay so maybe this fixes itself because i

00:00:56.860 actually don't know how to fix this part all right tinny juice is here thank you everyone this is

00:01:03.280 the very very first live stream broke out the chicken chips for this one oh nice now full

00:01:11.260 disclosure i do not have a lot planned for this episode we are going to be going we're going to

00:01:18.920 be going over the um contest entries and maybe some other stuff that we can have some fun with

00:01:26.140 um you'll have to usually i've got the midas touch of post-production to take out anything

00:01:33.200 that we say that might be a bit too extreme or any doxes so there's no safety net here judas

00:01:41.500 you're gonna need to play very very safe keep that fucking wife of yours in check 0.89

00:01:46.180 she's always squawking and sharpening her knives all right all right now you you can't see this 0.98

00:01:55.620 uh because you don't have access maybe you are not see um your spectralizer i've given yours a

00:02:00.980 different color to differentiate it from mine yes yeah so just so people know i'm on top he's on

00:02:08.120 bottom and his is the the pink spectralizer and i didn't choose that avatar but if i had been given

00:02:14.760 the choice i would have chosen that here's the thing though you didn't say anything about it

00:02:18.480 so that is complicity yes complacency or complicity

00:02:24.280 it's both see if i had post-production i'd edit out that little gap so there'd be a better flow

00:02:32.800 yeah that wasn't lying that was me considering whether or not i would agree with it you're a

00:02:37.180 tinny laggy guy all right so what are we going to do what are we going to talk about first things

00:02:43.400 first is we're going to talk about our very first contest blood satellite meme contest uh we reviewed

00:02:50.780 the entries and i thought maybe we could talk about it a bit before uh we get and we're going

00:02:56.160 to go through them one by one and give our thoughts on them um so i i'll just give you a brief overview

00:03:04.680 of what i wanted to accomplish and i guess the headline is um this contest was an unmitigated

00:03:13.100 disaster yeah oh boy was it uh there's a few things i want to accomplish with this

00:03:20.040 none of them were accomplished i and here's the problem i there is prize money that's going to be

00:03:28.380 given out we will pick a winner and you might want to hear oh i'll never financially recover

00:03:33.460 from this i will financially recover from this and that's the problem because i'm going to do

00:03:37.720 it again probably i don't know what i've learned from this um so so we got a few entries what we

00:03:47.240 wanted to accomplish was you know we had the ones that we like we really like um i was hoping for

00:03:53.080 more entries this was our experiment to see what the dollar value would be to get the most entries

00:04:00.060 uh we didn't get a lot uh i i didn't expect half of them to be gags should have that's my bad

00:04:08.140 then on top of that you know we thought that oh maybe this will help you'll get the word out

00:04:14.540 about the show did not get the word out um and there seemed to be some confusion i know maybe

00:04:20.660 this is me maybe this was my error as puppet master but i thought i was pretty detailed in the

00:04:28.800 big fucking fine print poster we put out the big yeah the big fine print that's that is what it

00:04:35.280 was yeah so maybe i gave a bit too much detail and also maybe it was too abstract you know the

00:04:42.860 concept kill vaporwave and what does that mean maybe requires you know what vaporwave is maybe

00:04:48.180 i should have included an example maybe that's on me maybe that's on society um but you know

00:04:55.120 there might've been some confusion about like, what's it,

00:04:57.580 does he mean like fash wave or whatever? Um, so,

00:05:01.580 and maybe some people do like maybe the entire mission was a fool's errand

00:05:06.700 that we'll never kill vaporwave.

00:05:09.080 Maybe that's the irony that we're living in the gay eighties forever.

00:05:14.700 Yeah. And that's the most that that's once we,

00:05:17.560 you take the red pill and you jailbreak yourself out of the mainstream,

00:05:21.420 you put you corral yourself in this prison where it's just like an ironic it's like the uh what

00:05:28.980 was that gta vice city just we're just living in vice city and maybe that's all we need

00:05:33.920 here we are you know how many people on our side live in miami do you think

00:05:38.820 maybe which is maybe we should live in fucking miami and that you know what it's all isn't

00:05:44.420 Miami is all like Cubans, escaped Cubans, right?

00:05:49.900 Isn't it?

00:05:50.920 Well, is it escaped Cubans or just regular Cubans?

00:05:53.420 Because you need to be a Cuban now.

00:05:55.240 Cubans, they just like, they got away.

00:05:57.160 Like they went on vacation and they never went back because they hate.

00:06:00.480 Is that how it would do it?

00:06:01.740 Because I remember they used to have to.

00:06:03.980 That was the whole joke is you could just get to Cuba from Canada.

00:06:07.160 So like rich people would come fly to Pearson and then fly down to Cuba.

00:06:11.700 it would make sense that could cubans just fly to canada that would make sense right yeah and

00:06:19.120 then just walk into they just don't have any money maybe i just didn't think of that they

00:06:22.900 don't have wings either here's the thing maybe cubans didn't want to leave maybe they love it

00:06:27.780 there all right so we're gonna go through the contest oh oh oh and by the way i should have

00:06:35.040 been doing this the entire time so uh judas say something hello kill your check hi hello

00:06:43.500 now if everything went right there should have been a sound clip that aired there now please

00:06:50.400 let us know in the comments if tucker carlson just told judas to kill himself

00:06:56.340 bob did you hear tucker telling me to kill myself oh she's nodding yes

00:07:04.640 okay now we got a whole suite of good sound effects here

00:07:10.480 and we're going to have a whole lot of fun with it um for example um i'm going to roll this one

00:07:18.560 out intermittently throughout the show so folks at home you let me know with a thumbs up or a good

00:07:25.040 comment whether you like this fuck you judas that was the sound of ppp saying fuck you judas

00:07:32.900 now again you can't hear this so you're not the worst part of it i can't hear it you're not gonna

00:07:40.880 know when it's being used you could be in the middle of a point you could be in the middle of

00:07:45.380 a story you could be in the middle of taking a shit you don't know where it's gonna come at you

00:07:51.180 i'm gonna pipe it into my house through my doorbell what else we got here we got all the

00:07:55.080 classics we got our wicked sick we got oh we got explosion gong um we got fart um i got all my

00:08:09.220 favorite ones here we're gonna we're gonna roll them out throughout the show and uh you can watch

00:08:13.700 the comments too to know whether or not you are being owned all right i actually i'm gonna close

00:08:20.580 the window close that's a good idea oh i also got john tally saying yeah yeah

00:08:28.980 is that i didn't know that was him that's fucking awesome well they asked me if i got air horn

00:08:36.780 hold on i got the um a chainsaw one i did not organize this holy fuck i got this

00:08:45.860 it's the aids gun um where the fuck did i put the oh and the all-time favorite my favorite

00:08:57.580 the monster it's kind of over it's kind of over who could have predicted that the first 15 minutes

00:09:04.980 of stream would just be us taking soundbite requests from the chat i don't have bitch watch

00:09:12.480 i have to i actually do i could add bitch watch but um i'll add that in a bit all right so

00:09:18.280 what are we at here i can't even see how long i've been going for um but we're let's get to

00:09:23.940 the shit now let us get to the shit all right let's go through here got a collection here and

00:09:32.660 we'll go full screen so i'm gonna let's go through there's multiple entries here from uh two of our

00:09:40.680 uh listeners but let's go with a first one from a good friend of mine censored on who

00:09:47.000 did not well actually here's what we're gonna do one we're gonna put up the image then you give

00:09:55.220 a one-word response we'll both give a one-word response then we gotta describe it for the folks

00:10:01.060 at home because this there'll be an audio version of this and we should just describe it for the

00:10:05.760 visually impaired and then we'll give our extended thoughts on it all right all right all right so

00:10:12.740 this one is from censored anon now there's a lot i like about this i like the message um actually

00:10:21.680 i didn't break my own rules first word that comes to your head yes agreed i think it's general

00:10:32.300 agreement we're general in accord um now what we are looking at here it is for all intents and

00:10:38.800 purposes a vaporwave image it's i could not really imagine more of a vaporwave image

00:10:48.000 um but it is very well made because censor to none who i've worked with on worked on on the

00:10:55.060 cover of the book that i did colossal corpus of serious gloves he's done a lot of work he does

00:11:00.180 uh the videos um on our odyssey and on our youtube those short clips the one where it's the

00:11:05.180 three room he does all those so fantastic designer um i would reach out to him arbalest editing is

00:11:13.520 his company so reach out to him he's good uh so what we're looking at here it's uh vaporwave

00:11:19.220 christian vaporwave is what i would describe it would that be fair yeah uh non-denomination

00:11:25.920 what do we call it what's that fucking show

00:11:28.680 Handmaid's Tale

00:11:30.420 so this is endorsing the Handmaid's Tale

00:11:33.160 it says oppress women

00:11:35.140 for real

00:11:36.060 so it's saying let's do the Handmaid's Tale

00:11:38.760 let's do that in real life

00:11:39.740 and there's a gentleman there I don't know

00:11:41.980 that made it from the book that could be

00:11:43.820 could be a Himmler that could be

00:11:46.140 not a Goebbels but maybe Himmler

00:11:48.480 and yeah so

00:11:50.180 looking out onto a big cross

00:11:51.700 now what are your

00:11:54.020 The cross is superimposed over the obelisk at the National Mall.

00:11:57.420 I think that's what that is.

00:11:58.560 It is.

00:11:59.400 So what are your thoughts?

00:12:02.240 Well, I mean, it's clearly the exact opposite of what we asked.

00:12:07.280 As a species of vaporwave, it's fantastic.

00:12:14.400 It hits every note.

00:12:15.740 We're being corrected that it's actually synthwave.

00:12:19.320 Oh, fuck off.

00:12:20.260 It's all the same.

00:12:20.960 I do not know the difference.

00:12:24.020 I kind of knew we were going to get into that, that, like, you said Vaporwave, and there's Synthwave, and there's Fashwave, and it's like, maybe we should have been more specific.

00:12:33.380 We meant the gay shit with the neon and all of this, so all of your submissions.

00:12:40.180 Would you say you're anti-neon generally?

00:12:43.300 No, the thing is, is you're the one who came up with the idea to kill it.

00:12:45.900 I kind of like it, but I do think we need a...

00:12:48.400 So you are not on board of this contest at all.

00:12:50.260 I am alone in this.

00:12:51.480 well i mean it's i'm on i work here so i'm on board i mean

00:12:55.640 i don't like this this story that you tell people that i'm i'm your boss i'm like your land

00:13:01.320 um uh sorry hold on yeah so we're getting notes that it's um looping and buffering that

00:13:13.580 is more of an issue i think with odyssey um this was the reason that we wanted to be

00:13:18.960 on youtube because despite as much as we like odyssey uh it has problems with this it has

00:13:25.600 problems with lagging and buffering and cutting out so um there is a recording of this so there

00:13:30.840 will be a full i'm doing that an entire screen recording right now so it should be absent all

00:13:35.860 that buffering as well if you want to watch it later but uh we were locked out of our youtube

00:13:40.380 channel uh we had a content strike made against us for a very very old video an old clip that we

00:13:48.320 put a month ago it was the hyperborea clip which as far as i know there's nothing egregious on

00:13:53.740 that clip so and frankly if i can't talk about north pole energy monsters i won't be on that

00:13:59.800 fucking platform frankly actually yeah yeah so uh we're stuck on here for now and that this is just

00:14:08.840 an odyssey thing we're going to try and keep it easy breezy and real and whatnot anyway so

00:14:14.380 sensing on great man not sure we followed the rules but we'll put in the good job arena dino

00:14:22.540 pile all right so this is from a good friend of mine clossington internet's clossington

00:14:32.220 mm-hmm so first word that comes to your head

00:14:36.560 1995 1995 okay uh for me what's a good word to describe this

00:14:47.120 vivacious let's go with vivacious now what we're describing here is how do you describe this this

00:14:55.740 reminds me of the old like the beginnings of this thing that i know to be vaporwave like i remember

00:15:02.460 like the cloud rappers doing this shit so it was always like a throwback to old cd-rom stuff a

00:15:07.740 throwback to old like n64 type stuff old computers type stuff so this is like that um what it is

00:15:15.900 it's a collage of images uh mentioning ifunny.com the did you put the image up yes can people not

00:15:25.460 see it i i can't see it bob can't see it really that's what you're saying right bob you can't see

00:15:33.320 the image

00:15:33.660 maybe because it's buffering i don't know okay jesus christ i fucking hate odyssey

00:15:45.420 this feels good though because this is not my fault this one you know i'm glad the sec is shutting

00:15:51.240 you down now here's the thing here's the problem that we get with something like this now i love

00:15:57.600 our listeners i love our chat each and every one of them is an assassin and they've been

00:16:02.580 laying in wait just for this if i had some more backup if i had some more fucking backup

00:16:09.520 this wouldn't be a problem but if gop and he checked his fucking dms i might not be in this

00:16:14.840 mess the whole season you know what maybe it's just a lag thing like it's i think you know if

00:16:21.120 you're here in the stream thank you for joining it's gonna be a shit show live just because of

00:16:26.480 odyssey being a dog shit platform but i think the video will turn out fine how the fuck are we

00:16:31.880 supposed to steal all of or mcintyre's fans with bullshit like this happening yeah yeah the fucking

00:16:37.760 zoomers it's got to be live or you can't hold their attention what are we gonna do rumble

00:16:42.380 it's going to rumble we could be siphoning off all bronze age perverts gay fans right now now

00:16:49.180 We're stuck with this lot, with these

00:16:51.020 fucking frothing-at-the-mouth killers

00:16:53.240 chortling at us.

00:16:55.440 So few gays.

00:16:58.060 I can

00:16:58.580 get a whiff of Lotus Eaters coming around

00:17:01.020 saying, oh, what's going on? Are these guys serious?

00:17:04.060 Are these guys, are they

00:17:05.240 cool?

00:17:06.540 Kloss has got

00:17:07.500 a square format, compact

00:17:10.980 disc cover. It's got

00:17:12.840 everything. It's got

00:17:14.200 graphical pixel art of

00:17:17.100 flowers. Clip art, I would say.

00:17:19.180 It's got Doge. 1.00

00:17:20.300 It's got a 90s club whore.

00:17:22.960 It's got bad CG graphics.

00:17:26.220 It's got Michelangelo bust.

00:17:26.880 Is that that pearly girl at the bottom?

00:17:29.240 Oh, you know what?

00:17:30.080 I'm probably supposed to know that. 1.00

00:17:31.600 It just looks like a dead-eyed slut to me.

00:17:34.520 But it still fits.

00:17:35.260 Well, that is pearly.

00:17:37.060 Yeah?

00:17:37.740 That is pearly. 0.99

00:17:41.540 I'm trying to get her on the show, too. 1.00

00:17:43.820 She's one of those... 0.99

00:17:44.580 I don't know if you know who she is. 1.00

00:17:46.200 She's one of those girls that, um, says the girls suck. 1.00

00:17:50.200 So, Oh, cool.

00:17:52.400 You know, I don't see this ending badly.

00:17:54.640 I don't see a fucking heel turn about that in the future.

00:17:57.900 Right.

00:18:00.380 I don't, I don't see her 25 X black boyfriends showing up in the future.

00:18:05.240 Right.

00:18:05.800 All right.

00:18:06.220 So, um, yeah.

00:18:08.640 Okay.

00:18:08.980 This is once again, uh, the opposite of what we asked for.

00:18:12.560 for the record this one this has to be vaporwave if the other one was was you know whatever wave

00:18:20.600 this definitely vaporwave is it not because it's got it's got the fucking compact disc case with

00:18:26.200 the shiny writing but what i appreciate is he captured the the vibe and the spirit of blood

00:18:31.680 satellite with the message fortnight battle pass i just shit out my ass yeah that's a flawless

00:18:37.200 execution like you can't fault that here's where it goes right to the mention of the word fortnight

00:18:41.640 that that locks it right in that kind of aging millennial view which is what we are because is

00:18:47.020 fortnight even funny anymore i don't think so i don't know i i don't i don't know what the kids

00:18:51.600 are up to that sounds like something our age group would reference still so all right so um

00:18:59.480 thank you clausington my clausington uh friend of the show who's been on before

00:19:05.380 tried to tell me all about nick land all right so next up is uh donnie vringhide

00:19:12.800 probably pronounced that wrong so here we go

00:19:16.400 so first word trash

00:19:23.700 um that's a good word

00:19:29.020 the phrase on point but all one word

00:19:34.620 also i should have said this we can combine multiple words into one word if you want oh

00:19:40.500 thank you like a little so yeah okay here's the thing the best the best part about this is the

00:19:45.820 fact that he did not he did not crop at the white background on the image that's my favorite part

00:19:52.080 well here's here's what i like let me just say this uh for people at home it's the phrase

00:19:57.260 blood satellite done in ms paint with a spray paint tool um now you know i know that we got

00:20:05.860 let's say what i'm going to say at the start is there's a lot of good ideas in this

00:20:10.120 i see a lot i see a voice expressed perhaps inelegantly

00:20:16.960 um you know but here's here's what i like about it is that i think this guy actually detected

00:20:26.460 the purpose of this contest which was to promote blood satellite

00:20:31.560 no one else really got that no one else read between the lines that the only reason i want

00:20:38.080 to do this is to get the show's name out there selfishly cynically manipulatively so he made an

00:20:44.700 ad and he's actually the only guy who put the show name in the submission yeah that's true yeah

00:20:52.000 that's true and there's only a couple of people who actually followed the rules of posting it

00:20:56.560 on their social platform and doing the hashtag uh so few that i just removed that from the

00:21:03.740 requirements did this guy do that i don't i think he emailed it to me but you know what fuck it

00:21:09.840 because this isn't a guy that i know personally i don't know this person so i like that

00:21:14.680 he's a fan we treat our fans well i treat our fans well you treat him like trash

00:21:18.640 um yeah so good effort i'm actually gonna put this in the top three you know what

00:21:27.940 that's good right in the top this is more of a comment right in the pile which michael douglas

00:21:33.660 portrayed oh man i i played the uh norm mcdonald more of a comment really and i forgot that i

00:21:40.620 clipped the entire episode of the super cut up and say more of a comment really so i just went

00:21:45.360 into gilbert godfrey all right so this next one is by uh our favorite uh kelly thera

00:21:55.140 that's kel from the chat right hey man fan favorite real character so first word that

00:22:04.520 comes to your head

00:22:05.160 well don't just describe it

00:22:12.620 the thing is whenever I look at that I'm like

00:22:16.120 is it an

00:22:17.240 I don't know actually

00:22:22.040 I actually don't because I'm not fucking

00:22:24.180 it's not the 12th century

00:22:26.040 true

00:22:29.280 but again

00:22:32.000 your first word that comes to your head

00:22:33.920 aside from what it says oh gay oh gay okay yeah yeah well i guess that's that could be part of

00:22:41.160 the word too all right so for me um perplexing so what it is what we're looking at here is a clip of

00:22:52.340 lord farquad uh with with glasses and uh what type what type of helmet is that i don't know

00:23:00.660 some kind of helmet some kind of but it's but it's not the original lord farquad it's the

00:23:04.820 markiplier's face on lord farquad edit oh is that what that is yeah yeah yeah okay um let's see the

00:23:15.280 layers here so then it's and then it's the ae which i'm interpreting as after earth

00:23:21.080 um and that's what this image invites it invites your own interpretation of it see we didn't need

00:23:27.920 geo for you to just go off on a tangent you can you can do it on your own geo would find a nice

00:23:33.980 spin on this do you actually think it means after earth no i don't think it means fucking anything

00:23:40.160 i think it's a bunch of shit because all all i remember is the multiplier far quad meme with

00:23:47.200 the letter e it was like a deep pride e meme was a thing in like 2018 or something so this is just

00:23:52.960 this is just middle ages middle english e meme so it's a e instead of e and he's wearing a helmet

00:23:59.560 instead of no helmet that's all he did yeah fuck you do this um see it it is anti i put this one

00:24:09.280 in the pit it's it is in a sense anti vaporwave because it's anti everything yes doesn't promote

00:24:17.620 the show is does not propose a new aesthetic that is usable now we're i'm i'm a fan of kel

00:24:25.640 everyone else wants to wring his neck we all love it's difficult for me not to interpret this as yet

00:24:33.140 another assassin's bullet directed at me yes i feel like this was designed to fuck with me i i

00:24:39.320 think he's saying that's me yeah and what kella kella's kella's is a chatbot designed by the

00:24:47.460 chinese to cause both of us to commit suicide yeah it's i'm trying to like stare at it a bit

00:24:56.980 more to see if i'm missing anything now i think that's it we're gonna put that in the pit pile

00:25:02.420 for now yeah good effort because i don't i don't want to discourage people from trying things

00:25:07.700 there's so many people who say no in life i don't want to be a no guy i say yes to people i say yes

00:25:14.960 to everything i i say yes to this but in a like a low gothy voice all right so here's yet another

00:25:25.020 one uh by max danger another listener of the show a good friend of the show

00:25:30.520 so let's get that all blown up

00:25:35.760 if you can uh see that there let me know if anyone can't see it first word that comes to your head

00:25:43.240 vapor wave

00:25:46.580 um also vapor wave this is literally just a vapor wave image um and see this is where the clarity

00:25:56.620 of the poster I think comes around and bites me in the ass like if I just had said hey make a cool

00:26:02.300 thing maybe they would have made a cool thing maybe I dug half my own grave by saying it shouldn't be

00:26:08.840 this of course I'm gonna get mostly it's been mostly this if we're being honest it's a bunch

00:26:14.560 of dissidents man they gotta dissent this is true yeah that's that's a hard thing with picking a

00:26:21.840 dissident type people because they're going to go against whatever the fuck i say right

00:26:26.120 you're going to piss in the sink every time what do you think about vaporwave by the way now that

00:26:31.640 we're we're meditating on this for a second right so this is a visual representation precisely of

00:26:38.040 what it is uh if people were if there's any confusion about it what are your thoughts on

00:26:43.860 it like you've been online you're an online guy yeah you say you say you like it what do you like

00:26:48.260 about it you just like i look i like it right now it's kind of like i like uh there's certain

00:26:54.560 types of music that i like when i'm doing certain things but i don't even think they're necessarily

00:26:57.980 like good music qua music i just enjoy them and i think vaporwave is kind of like that like i

00:27:02.940 it's a very momentary aesthetic it works for us now it's starting to die it definitely doesn't

00:27:08.840 have legs i'm sure there will be like a revival in our kids generation like ironically and then

00:27:14.640 it'll go away again it's not like a real aesthetic that has any staying power i think but i do think

00:27:21.520 it's kind of cool like it's neat in some context to look at it you know yeah i agree

00:27:28.300 so i guess my thoughts like i'm this is where geo would have been nice if he answered his

00:27:37.580 fucking messages and i'm putting him on blast by the way he's on thin ice with me right now

00:27:41.560 because of this but i almost want to like dissect it what does it actually mean to us like to me i

00:27:47.300 think it kind of looks cool is there anything else that approaches this like you know color wise i

00:27:52.300 guess it's cool but i remember this was big back when i was in college oh you mean want to like

00:27:57.000 like tear apart vaporwave from a design standpoint like what is it actually what does it mean

00:28:02.340 yeah i thought you're just asking my my my top level aesthetic opinion but yeah we can eat we

00:28:08.440 can you know take a couple bites out of this well because you're the design guy i'm not the design

00:28:12.260 guy judas for people who are unaware you actually went to a very prestigious design school he likes

00:28:18.100 to hide it isn't like i'm an art being passed around yeah you are an art hoe yeah so bpt green

00:28:24.020 eye and so does his wife actually please don't are you still there yeah but she has brown eyes

00:28:32.140 okay sorry i'm cut out there for a second um so from a design host standpoint like what what do

00:28:38.720 you think about vaporwave like what do you think resonates with you about it so obviously the

00:28:43.760 biggest part is the nostalgia right like the nostalgia of a certain area i'm sorry sorry a

00:28:49.720 certain era of video games and media but also an era of design like it relates to liminal spaces

00:28:56.040 Like a lot of the stuff is like old AOL CDs and like backs of cartons of like milk cartons and stuff like that, that just kind of evoke evoke feelings of wasted throwaway commercial products from the late 90s in like the boom time.

00:29:13.760 And I feel like one of the reasons it resonates with us is because it was pre-9-11.

00:29:19.280 It was pre-Obama years and the Great Recession.

00:29:23.820 And I don't know if you've seen the analysis of film in terms of there being a turning point around office space and Fight Club where everybody was wealthy, but they had no vril.

00:29:39.320 and then now we're in this mode where everybody's poor and we're all begging for civil war but back

00:29:45.980 then everything was happy-go-lucky and everyone was losing their minds over it so like this i

00:29:50.480 feel like this is a connection it's like a tether to that period a little bit like we remember

00:29:56.340 being being rich and having nothing to do and that's like kind of like being a kid but it's

00:30:03.180 special to millennials because for us it's not just about being a kid it's like the future that

00:30:07.320 it's kind of like the future that we should have had you know what it is it's remember what they

00:30:12.540 took from you personified like the turning point for us in like high school we should have had the

00:30:17.800 cyberpunk future we should have been on venus but actually we're all fucking farming turnips and

00:30:23.000 thinking about how to fuck with the government so you know you mentioned liminal spaces or liminal

00:30:28.840 spaces and that's a bit of a meme uh on the internet especially on the right like you get

00:30:33.760 made fun of if you still think liminal spaces are cool i actually do um yeah for people who don't

00:30:40.060 know for the folks at home liminal spaces just like the feeling of being in an empty office

00:30:46.060 building and that feeling of something not being right something's kind of creepy there's an implied

00:30:51.140 horror there even though it's just an empty fucking building and there's been a lot of

00:30:56.400 you know theory applied to this but what is this is is like being in an empty office building or

00:31:03.720 some brutalist structure more haunting than being in like an empty village or an empty castle is

00:31:10.900 that does it have something to do with the warmth of one space versus another space that that might

00:31:16.500 be part of it too yeah um and there's something more hostile to modern architecture or it's

00:31:23.040 something that you're not used to seeing these spaces without crowds in them that could be

00:31:27.500 another layer to this like you're in a skyscraper where there should be people and it just feels

00:31:32.140 odd and it feels like that. Sorry, continue. No, I was trying to say that you're absolutely

00:31:36.740 right. And I see liminal spaces talked about so much and it bugs me that people who don't dive

00:31:42.700 into what a liminal space is think that like the back rooms is quintessentially a liminal space.

00:31:47.340 That's like an edge case of a liminal space. That's a liminal space where when you're in it

00:31:51.840 and it's like, it's a very, very liminal space, but it's that type of hostile liminal space.

00:31:56.740 It's hostile because there are no people. It's a space where you're not meant to spend time

00:32:00.920 and it becomes a horror unto itself just to be there but most liminal spaces i think especially

00:32:06.340 historically would be places that are naturally comfortable like a trail through the woods that

00:32:12.240 you walked as a kid or a cornfield can also be a liminal space if you've spent a lot of time there

00:32:16.740 so which is to say it's a transitory space between one and another it doesn't have any

00:32:21.720 meaning or purpose to you personally in your memory aside from just something you often

00:32:26.180 passed through and so it's kind of like a way point in your memory like that most of those

00:32:30.940 places they should be good places and i think in previous generations i bet i bet for our

00:32:36.560 grandfather's generation liminal spaces were memories of like happiness and nostalgia but

00:32:42.760 now for us liminal spaces become nightmares because it's like man i can't the amount of

00:32:47.580 time as a kid that i spent in like fluorescent flickering underground parking lots right

00:32:53.220 holy shit well you mentioned a couple things there and i don't know if people find this

00:32:57.520 interesting but i think it's a good tangent because we never really discussed this um or

00:33:02.380 or really what it is about that made it attractive to begin with and i don't think you can separate

00:33:07.820 vaporwave from that liminal space thing um and there's a sense of loneliness that sits at the

00:33:12.560 center of it and you had mentioned something interesting about walking on a path uh maybe

00:33:18.740 it's a path you've been on many times before but imagine do you get that feeling when you're

00:33:22.720 walking on a forest path alone probably not and i was wondering if you took one of these liminal

00:33:28.020 spaces you introduce nature to it would it be as creepy or less creepy you know i mean like i'm

00:33:35.680 trying to figure out is it the design or someone had mentioned in the chat like it's a transitional

00:33:40.460 space that's one way to look at it too but also you know for me i think the original liminal space

00:33:47.320 would have been like a high school like if you if you ever found yourself in your school

00:33:52.200 after hours you know when it was all cleared out for whatever reason i had to go get something

00:33:56.900 or maybe that's just a weird thing i ended up doing but it feels off because it's designed

00:34:01.980 for people and people aren't there but maybe there's and this might be just trying to

00:34:07.240 fucking conjure some ontology here but i'm trying to think like how much of the experience of

00:34:14.440 loneliness sits at the center of why we find this you almost generationally interesting and if you

00:34:20.400 put this in front of one of your ancestors like how how often would your ancestors have experienced

00:34:28.560 something like this and felt this feeling and this is where we get into like mark fisher shit like

00:34:34.220 this is the capitalist realism whatever the fuck you want to layer on top to put a finer point on

00:34:38.660 the way i was what i was trying to say earlier is like the the reason that we feel lonely or the

00:34:44.180 reason that we feel horror or uncomfortable when we visit these spaces without people is because

00:34:49.900 the people are the only thing that make these spaces tolerable like on an ordinary day we

00:34:54.580 tolerate modernity and the salve to modernity is just other people and our family and the screens

00:35:02.140 honestly that we can stare at instead of looking around us and i don't think our ancestors experienced

00:35:06.620 that and that that is the feeling like if you take the people away and you turn all of the

00:35:11.280 screens off and it's just the fluorescent buzzing and you look around we live in a hellscape like

00:35:16.560 right now at this moment i don't because i live in the country and i love it but like people in

00:35:20.960 cities do actually live in a hellscape now you made a good point that there's something else i

00:35:26.600 want to get to here that i'm sort of uncovering as i talk about it but i think a very interesting

00:35:33.700 generational phenomena that we're experiencing is evidenced by vaporwave but also the back rooms

00:35:39.820 as two small examples but then also uh the popularity of multiverse stories not just in

00:35:47.480 marvel but in all almost all media um it's the the obsession with breaking reality and that is

00:35:55.900 something that you know there was always science fiction about going to other planets and maybe

00:36:00.000 other dimensions but i think in the modern popular culture there's more of a fixation

00:36:06.200 on what happens if i break reality or i step outside of reality or i find myself in the

00:36:11.360 spaces between that's kind of what vaporwave is it's like an incomplete video game it's like i'm

00:36:16.620 alone in a in a early dev build of a game i feel alone in a place where i shouldn't be

00:36:22.500 um and just a story we talked about this on this show long long time ago but this was my

00:36:29.520 experience when the second time we tried salvia do you remember that yeah man yeah so i'll tell

00:36:38.400 the story for and because it felt like something like this so if you don't know salvia it was a

00:36:44.020 drug that you could buy in a convenience store in canada i think you could still do it but that to

00:36:49.440 me is egregious i think it would make more sense to sell heroin than sell this shit it was probably

00:36:54.220 the most powerful psychedelic drug that we'd ever done um hold on okay

00:37:02.500 sorry it says god damn if you're in it suck stream in 25p instead of 1080

00:37:08.780 uh okay how do i do that

00:37:15.060 i think you might be talking to like viewers of the stream yeah i'm talking to the chat because

00:37:23.760 i'm trying to figure out they're talking to me or they're talking to i'd like to know because i

00:37:28.280 kind of want to watch the stream while we're talking to see as the stuff comes up but i yeah

00:37:31.700 when i click it it only i the only options i have are 1080p and auto but i'm also a boomer so okay

00:37:36.600 let me let me know if there's something that i'm doing wrong um but anyway uh where the fuck was i

00:37:42.500 about loneliness about yeah of falling out of reality oh salvia yeah so it was this drug

00:37:50.460 that you smoke it and it's it was like a black tar substance and then i took a huge huge hit

00:37:57.200 from a bong and we were in a room someone's dorm room very almost like a coffin and there was a

00:38:04.160 bunch of us there raver was there and then we'd done acid and stuff before we've done mushrooms

00:38:10.700 we did a whole bunch of different psychedelics around this period but this was the most serious

00:38:15.400 one because it fucked with my perception of time i don't know how else to describe it other than

00:38:21.800 i literally felt like i fell outside of the universe so from i didn't experience it but

00:38:29.020 to an outside observer my eyes just like rolled back in my head and i laid back on the bed and i

00:38:34.640 was like drooling you know just like movie shit if if some hack writer had to write what someone

00:38:40.140 looks like when they're driven but then my experience was i felt like i fell out of reality

00:38:44.400 and i felt falling down falling like back and out and the entire universe had turned into

00:38:49.840 multi-color yarn and was like multiplying and duplicating back into like this perfect

00:38:55.840 singularity out in the distance and i truly felt this overwhelming fear that i'd fallen out of the

00:39:03.080 universe beyond time and i remember the thoughts crossing my mind it's like well am i i'm gonna die

00:39:08.140 here but how do i die do i run out of oxygen do i starve to death like am i beyond the corporeal

00:39:14.760 things am i part of the universe now and like the trip only lasted like 20 seconds but like it felt

00:39:21.620 like an hour anyway that's just a bit of a tangent but i think there's something like socially where

00:39:29.100 while there was always science fiction while there's always like oh we can break out of

00:39:33.180 dimensions everything there's something about our generational experience where we're kind of

00:39:38.200 obsessed with breaking the universe that's what those multiverse stories are it's like and and

00:39:42.940 what's interesting is that's what regular ass people are interested in this isn't just for

00:39:47.900 dorks this isn't for nerds this is just like your mom is watching multiverse stories which if you

00:39:53.500 go back to future generations might have broken their minds how how about this prior to the

00:39:59.100 renaissance the whole world was a big fucking scary mystery to everyone and up until very very

00:40:05.120 recently still the majority of the world was a scary mystery but now to westerners it's this

00:40:09.660 god of the gaps thing where even if you really really want to be religious you're always having

00:40:14.040 that bump up against whether or not you believe in the atom bomb and whether or not you believe

00:40:18.380 in like microscopy and whether or not you believe in complex astronomy and the big bang theory and

00:40:23.480 in quantum physics and string theory and all of this other shit right and maybe is it like a clay

00:40:29.100 vessel that as it hardens like the world hardens and becomes more solid and everything you can

00:40:35.360 touch and you can measure it becomes brittle and it starts to crack back apart again under the

00:40:40.300 pressure of our nature as people wanting to search and wanting to believe in mystery and

00:40:47.020 you know and like maybe that's what it is like maybe people who the the people who are so

00:40:51.920 scientific and are total atheists now are like obsessed with universe breaking theories and

00:40:59.200 maybe they're the ones that you know maybe we'll see something else come out of this in 30 years

00:41:03.580 they're the ones that are come up with you know crazy new conspiracy theories about

00:41:07.080 you know zuck being a no zuck is a reptile i can't do that but something like that

00:41:11.900 okay sorry i'm getting some messages in the chat here i'm actually going into obs and trying to

00:41:18.960 fuck with the bit rate and fuck with the um some of the streaming stuff uh so maybe we could

00:41:25.940 get something better here uh but uh uh just getting sentence fragments which is cool in

00:41:34.580 its own esoteric schizo way yeah uh all right so i think i think i know what might have been

00:41:44.060 happening there so let people let me know if it's actually better now because i think i might have

00:41:50.660 no no hmm this is fucking retarded i hate this shit um i'm trying to fuck with the bitrate fuck

00:41:58.760 with uh yeah there's only so much i can fuck with on this side um anyway so we'll keep going

00:42:05.120 i guess that's all i wanted to say about vaporwave and all that for now because

00:42:09.600 all right um he says okay no legs for me okay let's move on to the next thing nice did you

00:42:16.600 adjust it right i can do mine too or did you did you i did it on obs so i did it on the stream

00:42:22.000 platform because i think it might have been that might have been i'm getting i can see like a color

00:42:26.540 here that's green now but it would go into the red sometimes so nice all right oh apparently

00:42:31.900 it's moderately better nice okay this one's from natsquatch and natsquatch here okay so

00:42:39.780 first word that comes to your mind oh fuck um

00:42:45.700 twitter oh okay um exciting i'm gonna say this this is one of my favorite ones

00:43:00.040 um because i might be having my finger off the pulse of things because i maybe this is like a

00:43:09.020 reference to something that's already kind of popular i know i like the vibe of this i it kind

00:43:14.200 of i think it's got the the essence of the show in there like i'm looking at the garfield toilet

00:43:21.160 i'm looking at like the what looks like harp um i don't know what it says i cannot read it and i

00:43:28.520 like that it says i don't appreciate you does it oh it says it upside down okay even better i like

00:43:36.360 i love it i i like this a lot i like that it's playing around with art styles this is like it

00:43:41.720 actually seems like it followed the instructions so uh what we're looking at it's a direct it's a

00:43:48.000 direct follow-on aesthetically from vaporwave it's a movement away from but it's like it's got

00:43:53.740 its roots there i think and i like that it's you know what it is it's to me at bob said this man

00:43:59.700 i think i stole it from her but it's zine aesthetics zine aesthetics because i actually

00:44:04.480 had some people who didn't make a submission but they'd sent me like magazines and shit that they'd

00:44:09.400 seen um of like oh this looks cool here's some cyberpunk stuff usually older stuff but there is

00:44:14.480 some exciting stuff in zine culture we should we should like get into zines what's going on i

00:44:19.800 remember back in the day in toronto we were big into or not we me i was big into zoos but it was

00:44:24.580 you yeah this has kind of got that collage aesthetic well don't say it's you with such

00:44:29.340 disgust i can't read no you can't roll out that excuse whenever you want

00:44:38.820 all right by the way i don't know if i'm ever going to get to use this sound effect in the

00:44:45.040 rest of the stream but i just have this one called extremely wacky sounds so i'm just going to play

00:44:52.040 that for now just in case we don't get to

00:44:53.940 fuck you judas all right so that's the extremely wacky sounds so back to this so what how would

00:45:12.300 describe it's like it's like a collage a bunch of images um and that's a that's a girl holding a

00:45:18.780 rifle with a bag of red like this does see you know what i liked this is what i always liked

00:45:23.420 about uh 4chan culture and internet culture um if anyone was on 4chan back when it was okay to do

00:45:30.780 that uh it was interesting tracking the evolution because here's the thing like all the stuff we

00:45:36.560 know as reddit memes used to be just 4chan memes there was a time when all those reddit memes were

00:45:42.280 like cool and new believe it or not i'm sorry there's a comment here called whack maxing

00:45:48.940 yeah that's i like that ding ding fucking ding we're gonna we're gonna keep that one

00:45:55.680 fuck where's my correcting there we go that's the sound we get for that um whack maxing i wanted to

00:46:02.400 use that so what i liked about fortune means was if you and i haven't really seen any sub stack

00:46:09.600 about this and there's a sub stack about any old fucking thing so maybe it's out there but

00:46:14.960 tracking sort of the mental degradation of this this generation specifically like millennials

00:46:21.740 through memes because it started off with like the foul bachelor frog it started off with the

00:46:27.260 image macros of like the top text bottom text stuff about guys you know sharing like oh we're

00:46:32.700 being gross and shit and then if you follow that across the years it actually gets more depressed

00:46:38.440 and schizophrenic and there's a period of like three or four years and a lot of people might

00:46:43.200 have gotten into this scene at that point where like it's it's really fucking dark and that's

00:46:48.340 where like the deep fried memes came from it was like self-referential within self-referential is

00:46:52.760 like hyper irony it was just insane and what's interesting is we've kind of emerged from the

00:47:00.140 other side of that if you look at the memes like that populate even this fucking schizo telegram

00:47:05.900 sphere they tend to be more like wholesome maxing i don't know what else you would call it like about

00:47:11.680 like you know here's a cute bunny let's make hey we're making friends you know it's silly like

00:47:17.460 maybe it's ironic but it's like you can only get so schizophrenic and dark right yeah yeah was that

00:47:25.180 i don't know how online you were but did you catch any of that were you like uh because i don't think

00:47:30.660 you were ever a 4chan guy i'm old enough i've been on fortune not not that long maybe since

00:47:35.760 like 2016 something like that yeah and i i don't it's interesting tracking the psychology of a

00:47:44.620 generation i think it's mostly men although like if you were to probe the genders that you would

00:47:49.760 find in 4chan it would be kind of a mix i think yeah but yeah like like we you can we went right

00:47:56.180 to the depths of depravity and depression and then we kind of emerged that's what we're doing here

00:48:00.240 it's like this is almost just like schizophrenic but it's it's not dark it's not insane it's kind

00:48:06.560 of fun and i think that's what's so interesting about our scene maybe our generation and maybe

00:48:12.220 that's zoomers too maybe that's gen alpha but it's like running towards hyper violence with

00:48:18.180 like a smile on your face and maybe that's what true nihilism is do you think like maybe this

00:48:23.840 maybe we've crossed over into actual nihilism and the process of like being depressed is just you

00:48:29.800 separating from it's like um that movie jacob's ladder with tim robbins it's like the only thing

00:48:36.720 that burns in hell is a part of you that won't let go of your life and that's the entire process

00:48:41.400 and it's it's just kind of ripping you from your life to put you into the afterlife and so

00:48:45.940 depressed memes now we're actually we're literally just insane and we think it's hilarious does any

00:48:52.640 of that make sense or am i yeah i know too much you know i was thinking about and i don't know

00:48:56.700 if this is true it's apocryphal i guess but that you know the peanut butter jelly time meme

00:49:01.520 yes this is a dancing a dancing banana singing peanut butter jelly time it's such a goofball

00:49:08.120 song but somebody was saying or i read somewhere that's like uh this specific type of like

00:49:14.200 jamaican music that they play in their dance halls where they just like

00:49:18.520 fucking beat each other and half of them die of aids and they're listening to this like

00:49:23.260 like to us it's meme music but to them like think of how depraved think of how how little

00:49:29.660 anything matters to you and how much you wish for death to just go to the club on a weeknight

00:49:35.600 and listen to peanut butter jelly time and then like beat a stranger to death with a pipe

00:49:39.440 fuck a stranger and then die of aids in a gutter peanut butter jelly peanut butter jelly

00:49:46.620 that's such a funny image yeah fuck life i'm gonna go listen to a meme and rape and kill people

00:49:58.200 and and be black have you ever been so nihilistic that you turned into a black guy i'm not that far

00:50:07.960 gone man uh you know true depression i think is the purview of white people

00:50:14.720 i just like honestly that sounds like a bit but this is something for real yeah i actually think

00:50:21.640 that like to be because that was used against white people for a long time like other minorities

00:50:26.600 would say white people you're so moody you're so depressed and the here's what i would always hear

00:50:31.500 i always hear like that's a privilege that's why privilege because we don't have the time

00:50:36.320 to be depressed which is always a strange thing to say that's bullshit that's bullshit they don't

00:50:41.700 grasp it. I think depression is something that's experienced in totally different ways by different

00:50:46.580 races and cultures, because it's so interlinked with your sense of shame, fear, guilt, responsibility,

00:50:55.380 right? So depending on how you interpret those things and how important those things are to you

00:50:59.880 in your culture or morally, you're going to experience depression differently. I think

00:51:03.540 there's people out there who can't even grasp what depression is. Yeah. No, I agree because it

00:51:10.320 requires you to have a longer time horizon yeah because if you have a short time horizon you can

00:51:16.480 feel urgency you can feel dread you can feel you know fear and everything but you can't feel this

00:51:21.760 sort of existential malaise that comes with thinking 50 years in the future that's where

00:51:27.700 that comes from that's you actually take and this is where now i'm going to be connecting some wild

00:51:33.160 dots here but take this for a walk that that is also that that sense of like stepping outside of

00:51:38.560 reality that the the uniquely anglo desire to step outside of reality like like i'm gonna i'm

00:51:46.380 gonna look at this from a totally new abstract perspective and when you do that to your own life

00:51:51.320 like you ever done that have you ever actually thought of you know it's one thing to think

00:51:56.360 what's gonna be written on your tombstone but think of future generations describing your life

00:52:02.600 and you know sometimes you think like oh i'm gonna do all the cool stuff later well later is

00:52:07.980 now right so maybe maybe all maybe all that embarrassing shit gets written down you know

00:52:14.260 what i mean like it's and if you don't have the wherewithal to step outside yourself and look at

00:52:18.800 yourself but you can become paralyzed there and i think that's the true fear and that's the

00:52:22.700 the fear of the liminal space that you become trapped in a space between worlds and that's i

00:52:28.220 think i think in a lot of ways that's our experience right now in this thing called the

00:52:33.460 dissonant right like people always talk about there's no movement there's no activity it's

00:52:37.160 it's true because they were all the long time horizon guys were like trapped

00:52:41.840 just staring at ourselves and not knowing what to do and,

00:52:45.460 and wondering what, why can't it,

00:52:46.900 why isn't anyone as panicked as we are? Cause they can't,

00:52:49.160 they don't know how.

00:52:50.600 And it turns out that the more information you feed into that,

00:52:53.580 the worse it gets.

00:52:54.940 Yeah.

00:52:55.500 We're watching a slow motion train wreck and they don't even have the time

00:52:58.760 horizon to change the batteries in a fucking smoke detector.

00:53:02.380 So yeah,

00:53:03.220 that's like when you hear that black people can't change the batteries their smoke detector they

00:53:10.860 can't change the chirp like that that cocktail of emotions you feel like it's funny it's also

00:53:17.960 startling it's also depressing it's all these things at once and then you read a story where

00:53:24.080 it's like sorry just the guy in new york i think he was in new york the black guy who got awarded

00:53:30.000 2.5 million dollars from the state because some discrimination things are interviewing him

00:53:37.180 and you hear the chirp in the background and that feeling of this is a retarded man who got

00:53:43.500 my money like i'm laughing but i want to stab something i want to stab my screen i want to

00:53:49.540 my bank account and then i want to stab myself it's with that same degree of of trepidation of

00:53:57.380 fear of uh of of loathing and sadness that i have to say it is over for censored anon it is over

00:54:05.440 hold on monster it's kind of over there we go monster it's over for censor it's actually not

00:54:13.320 over um i it's you know what it's uh intermission i don't like my friends are never over they're on

00:54:21.180 a permanent intermission there it's a it's a you know the best of us are on a cliffhanger

00:54:27.600 it's never over for us yeah all right yeah so this is taking a long time all right so we're still

00:54:34.900 we're on this one that it's good this is it this is you know what this is near the top of the pile

00:54:40.540 i would say i actually like this one i might even ask for more like this um this one is by a very

00:54:47.340 very good friend of ours his full name is neither pleasure nor pain he doesn't like it

00:54:52.540 too fucking late um but it's np right and this is call him nip nip now i i think okay first of all

00:55:03.600 first word

00:55:04.340 Paisley

00:55:07.500 Chicken chip?

00:55:13.280 Is your first word chicken chip?

00:55:15.580 It sounded like you were going to say

00:55:16.520 Pays the Bills first, was that it?

00:55:18.500 No, I said Paisley

00:55:19.440 Paisley, okay, sorry

00:55:21.100 I thought you were going to say something good

00:55:24.080 Well, that's what it is

00:55:26.600 I'd say joyous

00:55:28.900 Joyous?

00:55:30.280 I'd say joyous

00:55:31.940 And there's no...

00:55:34.340 there's no wrong answers in word game so don't don't say joyous like it's the first time you

00:55:40.780 heard a fucking word well i mean don't piss on my paisley all right so i feel like he also he also

00:55:50.220 got the premise i think he saw like oh we were trying to be post a feeling post locked into this

00:55:58.100 aesthetic you know so he's like okay let's find something and and let's ref let's start because

00:56:03.360 what i had recommended was start rooting through the the bin of old art styles um and because this

00:56:11.940 is basically my experience with futurism we've talked about futurism a few times on the show

00:56:15.780 the art style from the early 20th century you know there's all these like little flashpoint

00:56:21.620 art styles that are locked into a time and place and it doesn't make sense to just revisit them

00:56:27.300 constantly but there's some inspiration in there like there's something in futurism the dynamism

00:56:33.040 the sharp angles the energy the forward motion i'm like maybe there's something to play with

00:56:37.800 in that aside from just overlapping triangles so like maybe he had said okay let's go look for

00:56:44.360 another type of art that we can base a rebirth of spirit on he didn't say any of this this is

00:56:50.480 all me making it up but uh i kind of like the message so we're looking at is this is this

00:56:57.680 paisley would you say paisley like bob says it's not she's blowing up the chat right now saying

00:57:02.540 that it's not it's not she's right it's not but like okay we got a word here at a glance i thought

00:57:07.820 this was a tessellation but it's not a tessellation but it almost is a tessellation so i'm kind of

00:57:12.220 wondering where he caught the background graph so for the folks at home what is a tessellation

00:57:16.900 it's just a pattern that if you put it beside itself over and over it it merges like it blends

00:57:22.760 so you can use it for fabric or like wallpaper or tile or something it's hot it's tiles sorry

00:57:28.700 i should just say it's it's a tiling pattern you should just said a wallpaper stuff it's

00:57:33.020 wallpaper stock yeah it costs you nothing just to say wallpaper stuff

00:57:39.500 he's trying to flex on me my own ass stream all right ca knows what a tessellation is

00:57:46.540 oh because he's he's probably upset because people have been telling him that's over he's

00:57:51.580 in the chat it's not over but what's he saying that uh

00:57:58.700 no he's talking about data in here okay i can't be one of those guys that just like stares at this

00:58:03.540 uh chat all right so you here's what you'll do you you find good chat things and you read them

00:58:10.500 to me okay here's what we're gonna do we're gonna do andy worski what what's milk milk road trucker

00:58:18.100 five dollars says finish him finish him

00:58:22.500 yeah where's the um whoa buddy i can't yell right now at home because the baby's asleep

00:58:33.460 but i desperately wanted to do like the ppp let's go whoa buddy

00:58:39.560 i'm seeing i um vulpes in the chat describe this as um hippie fash that's got legs that's got real

00:58:55.640 legs and i'd like to take the essence of this take hippie aesthetics and marry that with like

00:59:03.940 just straight up fascist imagery nazi italian whatever it might be and he doesn't need to be

00:59:08.900 nazi stuff it'd be any type of fashion you know that sort of vigor sorry continue i was gonna say

00:59:15.040 i said earlier that i kind of like vaporwave like as a cute fun thing for packaging or for

00:59:20.160 a video game or something but i don't think it has legs like i don't think it has cultural

00:59:23.580 importance and i'm going to be totally fine when it goes away but there are aesthetics which are

00:59:28.420 culturally important and of which i'm protective and i think although i don't think you can create

00:59:35.460 throws out a whole cloth i think that is the important question not that it's going to be

00:59:40.500 resolved by this contest but to find aesthetics which are culturally important that are long

00:59:47.140 lasting that represent a moment or an era that can actually pull us forward rather than just

00:59:52.580 being something that we put energy into so i mean again that's not the object of this but this

00:59:58.580 less aesthetic to me it would have to be something that is related back and drawing from aesthetics

01:00:05.860 that that are kind of like our the founding aesthetics of our culture or at least our

01:00:11.080 movement or our politics so yeah going with like lithographic or hand-painted tessellated decor

01:00:18.980 from the 1960s or earlier is a great starting point so i actually for that reason i like this

01:00:25.440 also as a design guy white text on a colored background that includes white huge faux pas

01:00:31.840 totally illegible where did you go to school well maybe i like that maybe maybe i like that maybe i

01:00:39.280 like the the illegibility of it now is that me being a bit gauche you're not enough of a hoe

01:00:46.980 you're like an art you're like an art prude now we've got mr buckbone in the chat here you should

01:00:52.580 be reading these to me you are fucking up uh says it needs ass it needs ass yeah yeah generally

01:01:02.140 yeah yeah yeah yeah you're right no no i mean no i didn't you know what i should have said that i'm

01:01:08.100 sorry good you're right just played the sniper rifle clip that's me shooting you

01:01:17.180 shooting you right 0.99

01:01:19.280 up the penis hole

01:01:20.000 I think we actually got a good

01:01:22.760 launch pad from this I want to go into

01:01:25.120 hippie fash 0.96

01:01:25.920 there's another word here

01:01:28.620 fractal baroque

01:01:30.300 I thought you said fractal butts

01:01:32.320 but that was my wife my wife said that 1.00

01:01:34.460 could be 0.77

01:01:35.860 trad dad

01:01:39.020 Canada's best pecker checkers

01:01:40.780 fuck 1.00

01:01:41.240 Canada's best pecker checkers

01:01:44.320 yes yes thank you

01:01:46.980 Oh, man. Oh, man. We're not even calling out the donos, just guys with cool quips in the chat.

01:01:51.500 Holy shit.

01:01:52.680 Buckboat sent us five library bucks, and so did Bulbis. So thank you, fellas.

01:01:57.020 Okay, so I can't yell here. Can you do the Andy Worski? Can you read out the super chats there?

01:02:05.280 Okay, what are, are they called library coins? What are the little colorful diamonds?

01:02:10.200 Yeah, by the way, those library coins will be worth nothing soon.

01:02:13.620 because the sec shut it all down yeah these are going to be confiscated by the government

01:02:20.520 five coins from vulpas he's saying have some of this shit why don't you and then we got buck bone

01:02:26.220 whoa coins donation chads rise up he says whoa buddy all right is there another one i think

01:02:36.200 there's like a five of five and there's a five heck and dollar redo from milk trucker just says

01:02:41.800 that's what i did that was finishing that was the big one okay okay wicked sick

01:02:50.040 all right so let's see here i think we can move off of this one for now i like that one actually

01:02:57.080 okay so we got multiple entries from sunflower society so let's start with that one

01:03:03.720 um sunfire society is a great channel you can check it out on telegram um they're very friendly

01:03:12.700 with us and we've had um the laughing man who's the proprietor of that had him on the show before

01:03:17.860 i've made an appearance on their podcast a great great channel probably one of the only like

01:03:21.860 meme content channels that i really like aside from murdoch's we'll get to in a second

01:03:26.560 so this he gave us four here is the first one

01:03:30.900 now what i like about this is also what i liked about the other one is that it is a blood satellite

01:03:38.880 ad it it fulfills that selfish desire i have to see our brand reflected now he took a bit of a

01:03:48.300 meta turn on this so first word that comes to your head when you see this what do you say maybe we'll

01:03:55.500 just do let me see maybe do them all at once because i think they're like a series let's just

01:04:01.880 do because they're all kind of like this let's do the first word that comes to your head when you

01:04:04.700 see this the first word that comes to my head when i see that yeah um shit i can't do a word

01:04:14.140 it's i have a very strong feeling about it there's and i can't remember the name of it there's this

01:04:18.000 game i played on playstation when i was a kid that the loading screens look exactly like this

01:04:21.940 i can't remember it i'll tell you i have a strong feeling about it but anyways i know it's called

01:04:26.840 lane core and he's it's very it is solidly serial experiments lane what what is okay lane core now

01:04:33.280 this is a gentleman who we're very friendly with but he's always given anime references i don't

01:04:37.840 watch anime i don't understand any of this have you not seen serial experiments lane i saw akira

01:04:43.820 i saw neon genesis evangelion and that's it those are the only animes i've seen you should watch

01:04:50.760 serial experiments lane at least once i'm probably not going to but if you do it okay well how about

01:04:56.940 this you just haven't seen it in like 10 years so it's like oh man i gotta fuck it up ca is gonna

01:05:03.560 it's like a girl young girl she's isolated spends too much time online can't make friends at school

01:05:10.440 in japan something to do with like a virus or like the changing um network or the internet is

01:05:16.640 growing she gets drawn into it it's kind of a coming of age story and also kind of like it's

01:05:22.600 a little bit like evangelion that i think it i don't remember exactly how it ends but i think

01:05:26.180 it ends on like a weird note where you can't really interpret like did the world just end or

01:05:30.880 did she die or is it okay but it has a lot like it has to do with yeah cat soup is totally cat

01:05:39.700 soup's hilarious because cat soup's good but yeah it's a it's to do with it's to do with

01:05:44.940 the effect of of the internet and networking on children as they age up and how that destroys

01:05:55.300 people that's what i took from it but it's a good it's a good show it's only like eight episodes

01:06:00.460 like it's a short it's an ova or whatever they call it you know what i like about this i guess

01:06:04.640 the word um the word i should describe it with is um comprehensive because what i like about this

01:06:13.460 and i guess for people who know what he just described maybe you can picture in your mind

01:06:17.660 we're seeing it's it's very text heavy it's blood satellite sunflower society wearing its brands on

01:06:23.000 its sleeve um and there's a few paragraphs of text here just sort of meta explaining what it is i

01:06:29.800 guess that's the part i find interesting like having you know a disclaimer having fine print

01:06:37.580 on a meme that you know there's something that visually i've always been fascinated with i tried

01:06:42.920 to capture this in some of the the work that i did in the past years and years ago i was always

01:06:48.820 obsessed with fractals i love the idea of creating images that the more you zoom in the more it

01:06:54.740 reveals and obviously there's limitations on how much you can do because i was trying to do this

01:06:59.420 with clothes too i was trying to make clothes that the closer you got to the person the more

01:07:03.820 the image changed or the more the image revealed itself uh but there's only so much you can do with

01:07:08.780 like printing on fabric right you can't get really really fine detail unless you're paying a lot of

01:07:14.320 money but i don't know there's a hook here there's a hook in my mind that i like where it's like

01:07:21.420 playing around because also from you know i'm gonna leverage my bullshit marketing background

01:07:27.820 here but um in advertising i was always a fan of those old david ogilvy ads where um sort of like

01:07:36.540 the madman era guy where if you looked at old magazine ads it was very very text heavy copy

01:07:41.740 heavy is what we would call it so you would have sometimes if you look at the old like um one

01:07:46.540 example would be the vw beetle ad um maybe i can pull that up here yeah they've got a so they've

01:07:53.500 got a photo and then they've got a headline and below it there's a subtitle which is like

01:07:57.580 slightly smaller and then there's like two paragraphs of text and then some slightly larger

01:08:01.840 text with like phone numbers and addresses and dates and like it's almost like it's a little

01:08:06.740 landing page of an ad with a single black and white photo something like

01:08:11.680 fuck i can't just do it so this i don't know if people can yeah see this so this would be like an

01:08:21.000 old ad like you can see the creativity there but you used to have these huge blocks that's brilliant

01:08:26.000 yeah so in one hand this is kind of where even this right here is kind of moving into the new

01:08:32.660 types of ads that we see now where it's very very image heavy you don't think in the context of where

01:08:38.000 this ad would have been like in a paper or magazine that was largely text not a lot of color and very

01:08:43.120 blocked out like this as much as this seems dated this was this is fucking revolutionary from a

01:08:48.260 graphical standpoint yeah or something like this um if people can

01:08:52.620 pay i guess that's a basketball maybe that's magic johnson i don't know it's huge to make

01:09:00.780 the car look small i don't know but used to have these like let me paint you a picture if you were

01:09:04.560 a storyteller this was the era for you so i selfishly like the idea of reintroducing copy

01:09:11.880 heavy memes and also here's something that's interesting and i don't know if you could do

01:09:16.260 this in an image, especially if it's on social media. But, um, when you're, when you would make

01:09:22.080 posts on Instagram, uh, someone's inclination might be to post an image and then just have like

01:09:29.000 some hashtags or a couple of keywords or whatever. But, um, a lot of the guys in our scene that I

01:09:34.100 talked to who run successful e-commerce stores, they found that they were getting more eyeballs

01:09:39.060 on their posts when they were writing these really long descriptions, like almost like writing

01:09:43.800 stories or journal entries beneath whatever the post might be which is counterintuitive to what

01:09:48.960 like the influencers will tell you but i actually found the same thing when we were selling on

01:09:53.460 instagram high value products when we would go in and not just like not just like chat gpt text but

01:09:59.220 actual full info and links and data and numbers and dates and shit we actually got way more

01:10:06.280 engagement and we got like messages from it yeah so so there is a hunger in people for reading

01:10:14.340 long things and this is in a sense why twitter over time kept adding more and more uh you can

01:10:21.760 have the possibility to add more text because people just they like it they like longer form

01:10:25.660 stuff and this is something i've been very very interested in forever because in marketing and

01:10:30.180 advertising the mantra that they'll drill into your head is everything's got to be short and to

01:10:35.460 the point but my lived experience is people like longer form stuff and they're if they're willing

01:10:41.880 to take the time because the reason is and this again might be me stepping beyond my bounds but

01:10:49.220 i think it's going to be of increasing importance going forward to show that the text that people

01:10:57.380 are reading actually came from a person it's going to be way way easier for people to just

01:11:03.480 assume out the gate that whatever they read was made by an ai i already do it in the idiosyncrasy

01:11:09.460 of the designer will become a maker's mark and it will be the only way to tell for those people

01:11:16.220 still even looking at visual media because i think that the ai is going to throw a lot of people

01:11:21.200 off of the internet at some point in the near future but for those people left the only way

01:11:25.740 to determine it would be like oh hey there's these little idiosyncrasies that only humans can do

01:11:30.140 and one of them is going to be hey can you write four paragraphs with some goofball shit that the

01:11:34.700 ai can't mimic yeah i really like that line i just want to underline that for people uh and

01:11:40.220 correct me if i'm wrong the idiosyncrasies of the designer will be the maker's mark

01:11:44.600 yeah i like that if that's all we take from this stream i'll be happy nice judas wins again and

01:11:52.040 for that reason i will take a quick break to call out some donos we got james pierre for five shit

01:11:58.880 coins here you go guys from an old friend james piers and we got 25 coins from censored and on

01:12:05.860 i never see blue outer glow used tastefully good job sunflower society exclamation point

01:12:11.840 now now folks at home will notice that judas made the professional decision to

01:12:17.180 step away from the mic while he was reading those uh messages

01:12:20.840 kill yourself i didn't put my into my mouth like warski yet

01:12:26.300 you got too excited you started stuttering you started doing your lines

01:12:32.320 telling your fucking wife to aim it'll sound like we're hostile to worst i actually like

01:12:38.340 i don't know why i'm sorry i love those guys yeah we're just we're just riffing i don't know

01:12:43.260 why i'm being mean right now i had an idea that our first live stream i just start calling people

01:12:49.280 out but i i i'm too i just i love everyone i got no problems with anyone especially since i noticed

01:12:58.460 that there was a lot of groipers who are following me on twitter so i have nothing to say about

01:13:03.200 america first i got you know what it's all love baby why because i am jewish yeah where are we

01:13:16.000 out on lane core okay so um that was where i was going with that was i like seeing more text

01:13:23.360 and also um the idea that you will need to include this is an opinion that got me in trouble

01:13:32.080 and i just wanted to mention this because i think it's related um everybody hates modern art of

01:13:38.480 course everyone will you go to a museum you see a urinal on the wall you say what the fuck is that

01:13:45.660 And then you look at Hitler's painting, you say, why don't they make art like that anymore? I agree. I agree with everything of the past, the Impressionist paintings, all that visually more pleasing and also more technically proficient. No argument here.

01:14:01.760 but what i find interesting about modern art and about post-modernism specifically that's that's

01:14:10.420 probably what i'm really talking about post-modernism is it is self-referential it can only exist within

01:14:17.880 its own context so for example you go to an art museum and you see something that should not be

01:14:23.580 an art museum it exists within that context that is what makes it art or that's what they would

01:14:28.460 say to you that's what the artist would say you can believe that or you could not believe that

01:14:31.520 that's fine but there is something profoundly human about that and while i don't like you know

01:14:38.960 post-modern art the fact that it was it was trying to be the next thing the fact that i think the

01:14:44.960 post-modern thinking or the the mindset that went into post-modernism will become a very high utility

01:14:52.660 to us going forward as machines because because post-modernism is almost like a reaction to the

01:14:58.400 printing press it's that week and so is uh like um andy warhol like referring to that everything

01:15:04.800 can be reproduced you can have something that is visually striking mass produced so is that

01:15:10.660 more or less human it me would say oh it's less human like any any any and photoshop especially

01:15:16.000 like any idiot can make a beautiful image any artificial intelligence can belch out something

01:15:22.720 that is technically gorgeous and and detailed and and it gets more and more realistic by day and it

01:15:31.520 gets it learns it is producing better things day by day but there is something inhuman about that

01:15:36.780 and so at post-modernism this art that could only live within a very specific human context that's

01:15:44.300 what was interesting to me that going forward we will need to find new human contexts as artificial

01:15:51.420 intelligence can just reproduce everything we do better and better and better like we're gonna

01:15:57.080 just need to get weirder just to prove that we're human if i can describe it in a certain way does

01:16:01.860 that make any sense or am i just rambling yeah it does i don't i don't feel happy about it although

01:16:06.780 i agree with i agree with you that that is what's going to happen but i mean we relied previously

01:16:13.460 for communication over distance within the culture within the nation on on large

01:16:20.100 easy to understand patterns like aesthetic patterns language patterns that could be

01:16:25.940 understood by children right that like a cross a cross means something and a heart means something

01:16:31.360 and in the middle ages you could draw that in the sand with your finger and mimetically you

01:16:36.880 would be communicating something so that is going to be gone because it can be so easily co-opted

01:16:43.440 by the ai you're right we're going to have to be so idiosyncratic and fucking weird and schizo

01:16:48.080 that only the keen eye of a terminally online person could ever understand what we're saying

01:16:56.640 so like there is there's going to be a whole new like jungle of aesthetics that we can get into

01:17:02.520 but i lament the death of the the the human aesthetic like i lament the death of just having

01:17:11.280 you know purple means king and blue means good and red means angry i miss that why can't we

01:17:17.040 like now nothing like like soup cans a soup can used to mean soup and warhol drained all the

01:17:24.580 soup out of it and now when you see a soup can you see warhol and people don't even drink campbells

01:17:30.000 anymore like it's all fucking it's all wrecked all this stuff gets sucked up into chat gbt and

01:17:35.000 sucked up into mid journey and after a couple of generations people don't know what the original

01:17:39.380 meanings if any of these things were it's just a bunch of mud so yeah and um which is a good point

01:17:45.780 you see a soup can and now you think of as the time andy warhol got shot yes uh yes actually

01:17:57.360 um it's like we talked about on the show before we always try and find practical ways for people

01:18:04.140 to live their lives in this modern period and one way to sort of circumnavigate the surveillance

01:18:11.020 state you know is creating multiple personalities online which is something that people actually do

01:18:16.460 now boomers don't old people don't like they have their the same password the same profile across

01:18:21.660 the entire internet no one on our side does that um and some people try and check out of social

01:18:27.420 media because who the gives a about facebook right but i would always advise against that

01:18:33.260 because that itself is a red flag now you're the type of person who doesn't have a facebook account

01:18:38.780 that can get you flagged by surveillance oh this is sort of a guy who should keep our eye on he's

01:18:43.180 someone who doesn't like to play by the rules so what helps is if you just have a fake facebook

01:18:47.660 account and you have a fake linkedin profile and no one should be on linkedin by the way

01:18:53.260 but you know like you you need decoy personalities online just if you really want to think about this

01:18:59.420 all the way to the bottom if you want proper opsec the the way to do it isn't to make yourself like

01:19:06.500 a black box or to make yourself like a just a negative space it's to create as much fog of

01:19:11.900 confusion around yourself so that when the algorithms come after you they can't get a lock

01:19:17.060 really on what you believe like it's contradictory information like they can't draw they can't

01:19:22.840 connect the dots to make the image of a terrorist like you put enough weird shit out there but

01:19:27.180 um if we do that that is living schizophrenically you have already accepted that to survive in this

01:19:34.580 environment you must have a level of schizophrenia about yourself yeah and this comes back to that

01:19:40.900 nick land quote you know nothing human survives in the future here he goes quoting nick land again

01:19:47.720 however there's truth to that that you know with our long time horizons and our long penises

01:19:53.480 we look ahead and we see like if thing barring any black swan events barring any huge paradigm

01:20:00.700 shifts i can see the situation that we're in becoming catastrophically insane you know and

01:20:08.440 really this is where you must once again break reality and step outside yourself like just

01:20:12.900 and this will sound hokey but think about how much our world has changed in 20 years

01:20:19.380 now imagine in 30 years if you're if if you have the type of mind who's listening to this show

01:20:25.680 your mind should break immediately that's why we don't do it that often well you know that's

01:20:30.460 why i'm always making jokes totally joking of you know advocating for the total destruction

01:20:34.980 of the internet and the power grid just just big fucking jokes because i'm a comedian that i would

01:20:40.180 say but it's that i mean but i mean if it were to happen it would you know we could we could have

01:20:47.620 colors again and eat vegetables so that's another good line you you're really the king of good lines

01:20:53.720 for the show i get why people like you you know that that that yearning like we can see colors

01:21:00.580 again there's a haunting beauty to that there's a poetry to that i enjoy that thanks buddy i used

01:21:07.020 to think that if if you know if one of us had to die it should be you obviously but now

01:21:13.780 fucking gems i think it should be both of us it should be both of us and we get to as long as we

01:21:19.940 get to choose how we die strap us to a missile it's kind of over all right so let's just continue

01:21:28.340 along here because we're going to get to lane course top of the pile and not top but like it's

01:21:32.260 in the it's in the upper the upper part of the pile it's in the peak of the pile so again here's

01:21:37.380 sort of explaining itself this more um almost like a blog post in itself uh striking image a

01:21:44.360 bit a bit too a bit too rick and morty with that if i may say oh i assume these are ai images as

01:21:53.840 well because that's one thing i recommend people do like just experiment with ai like we were

01:21:57.140 talking about like if there is going to be ai let's see if we can use it in some way that's

01:22:02.580 fucking crazy yeah that's something that what you were talking about earlier with the like the

01:22:06.720 idiosyncrasy of of walls of written text if everything's going to be ai anyways then you

01:22:12.220 can just use that as a starting point say hey whatever graphically is going on here it's all

01:22:16.340 going to be ai but what do i have direct control over well the fucking prompt but aside from that

01:22:20.140 other text so i mean yeah the the new uh arena of competition is going to be what can i lay over

01:22:27.480 top of a an ai image that the ai itself can't lay lay on there which is text because he can't do text

01:22:34.260 right so fuck you judas now what i like is i mentioned k lines as well and that's i know

01:22:40.480 you're dealing with uh patrician's mind uh one more here yep same thing i assume ai

01:22:49.740 ending on a positive note that specifically looks like ai there too

01:22:56.820 all right so that was the sunflower love sunflower society so people check out sunflower society

01:23:02.680 um let's go to murdoch murdoch uh made a point of doing several videos

01:23:11.000 um so i hope these are going to come through they should come through

01:23:15.680 so i'm just going to play the first one here

01:23:32.680 so that was the first one yeah so okay based on let's one word

01:23:43.180 fucking based fucking okay so maybe i should watch them all before we give the thing because i

01:23:52.300 actually like because because murdoch runs um a channel called the ssri what's it called

01:23:59.760 it's like the ssri party or something like that what is it look it up shit slutty ssri bomb party

01:24:10.100 i think is his telegram channel just like society does memes aesthetics guy i've worked with this

01:24:15.420 guy he's good at making he actually runs some popular meme channels so this is very much an

01:24:20.480 of the moment this is designed for tiktok this would work very very well in tiktok um it's also

01:24:26.080 sized for that. So before I give my one response, let's watch a second one here.

01:24:56.080 We'll be right back.

01:25:26.080 Nice.

01:25:56.080 all right so i just played them all in a row there um so did you change your one word based

01:26:05.120 off of anything you saw there i've already watched them like 50 times so i mean you you've

01:26:10.980 watched okay so um again okay so still keep it the same um i think you know inspiring

01:26:18.000 i like it i think it tried something different um it tried something that i think the other

01:26:24.860 once didn't do like i i like that it was a video i like that he leveraged the ai on that one and i

01:26:31.660 think you could take that in an interesting new direction um i think you could add even more

01:26:36.360 animation to it if you want to um like what what's your feeling on using ai to like i like the

01:26:42.580 esotericness of it too and if anything i'd like to ramp up the strange esotericness of it what

01:26:49.520 do you think so long as so long as ai is in play we have to use it you have to stay relevant so

01:26:55.920 like there's you can't not use it i think it's demonic and should be destroyed but until it's

01:27:01.100 destroyed we have to use it because we're gonna lose so yeah and this is this is at this point

01:27:07.060 um what is that called image interpolation there's one of them where he's taken he's taken them and

01:27:13.020 he's done something that just came i don't know if he used mid-journey but in mid-journey in june

01:27:17.060 they came out with an option that you can zoom so you can take an image and you can pull back from

01:27:21.900 it like 50 and keep pulling out and then you can you can go into another piece of software and

01:27:27.040 interpolate that so it kind of looks like a zoomed image with a lot more detail um so like that is

01:27:33.280 as silly as it seems cutting edge of what you can do with this right now um there's video shit that

01:27:39.600 you can do but you've i'm sure you've seen it on youtube like it's a little bit janky like it

01:27:43.920 doesn't look you would not fool anybody who you know it looks really fucked up but with this stuff

01:27:49.520 anybody who didn't know about mid-journey or or um or about ai art could easily think that this is

01:27:56.940 real like that an artist made this so yeah i also like that it was hopeful i like if like we

01:28:04.420 mentioned before if there's one thing that i like about the types of memes that i see coming out of

01:28:08.920 our scene right now it's it's even if it's yearning for something even if it's yeah you know

01:28:15.180 sometimes it can come come off as hokey but i don't mind that i like the genuineness i like

01:28:21.180 also me personally i'm a guy with a long pointed nose hair down to my nipples and a very thin

01:28:27.160 mustache and goatee so i'm cool with that to me i want everybody to look like a wizard i just feel

01:28:32.760 like i'm ahead of my time so uh we both have pretty long hair right now actually you do but

01:28:37.960 you haven't caught up with me yet because i haven't cut my hair in four years so you'll get

01:28:42.700 there we'll get there now is that on purpose or what not yeah what story there i stopped i stopped

01:28:51.800 cutting my hair before my first daughter was born because of covid and i just never stopped not

01:28:58.260 cutting my hair or shave like a jamaican trim i trim my beard sometimes but i don't i don't shave

01:29:02.940 so i don't shave and i haven't cut my hair in since before covid so you're just not doing stuff

01:29:09.340 you're not like trying to style it you're not trying to go for anything you know the general

01:29:12.980 feeling for me is like the only reason i do that is previously i was running a company and it was

01:29:18.480 out of respect for my clients and out of respect for society like i'm a i'm a joiner you know like

01:29:24.020 i want to participate i'm not a fucking artist i think but i don't want to participate anymore i

01:29:30.720 don't want to be in this fucking society man like i to me like as far as i'm concerned it doesn't

01:29:36.440 matter if i'm here or if i'm in the town or if i'm in toronto it's all a fucking wasteland and

01:29:41.260 i'm just looking at corpses walking around like i don't you know i'm living in the jungle i've

01:29:45.620 been living in a spiritual jungle for years so that's the reason i have long hair sorry i uh

01:29:53.820 someone just sent who is this vulpus sent uh yell it out i made these back in the ancient days

01:30:04.960 i'm looking at the link now so these are pictures of his window

01:30:09.860 yeah it's oh i get okay so he actually he was making memes by like printing it off and then

01:30:17.280 taking photographs yeah that's neat i shouldn't have done a metal intro to that that didn't make

01:30:23.520 sense it's uh it's cute this is more zen zen aesthetic this is stuff that i used to do back

01:30:29.300 in high school like i mean collage yeah no but this is the type of stuff that i would do you

01:30:34.040 remember me back in high school oh yeah and like oh yeah getting like experimental with art like

01:30:38.100 i was obsessed with like what if you like draw something but then print it out then take a photo

01:30:43.380 then take that photo and incorporate it into a collage like going layers upon layers upon layers

01:30:48.460 like i've been doing this fractal bullshit my entire life but i still think it's cool to like

01:30:54.600 take something there's something to like taking you know what maybe that's something we do maybe

01:30:59.980 that's the next step is making memes but incorporating them into the real world and

01:31:06.580 then like posting evidence of that like right now what we post online is like you know swastika

01:31:12.580 stuff you know we got that locked in we're pretty good at making hostile shit but let's if we could

01:31:20.860 incorporate the real world break it into the third dimension wouldn't that be something interesting

01:31:26.920 yeah it would and again maybe this is just too broad of a wish but i i think there's

01:31:32.320 in and because we always talk about this on the show you always talk about how and this is like

01:31:36.840 with the ai thing that um it's going to be increasingly difficult to tell human beings

01:31:43.540 from bots yeah and this is going to increase the importance of meeting in real life doing your

01:31:50.200 active groups doing these little conferences people do like they meetups and frody midgard

01:31:56.660 one like those are actually extremely important on a large scale and also a small scale so i like

01:32:02.500 the idea of new ways to take this thing we got going here and breaking it out into the real world

01:32:09.460 and maybe there's no wrong way to do that we talked about this in our ai art episode about

01:32:14.200 like you know what is art and who cares if it's something that can't leave the internet it only

01:32:18.560 matters to people who also can't leave the internet so going sideways from the makers

01:32:23.080 mark being the idiosyncrasies of the designer if the idiosyncrasy is actually just the fact that

01:32:28.400 the text was literally printed on bond paper and stuck to a model with paste and then viewed by a

01:32:35.160 person entering a restaurant the ai can't do that because the ai can't go in a restaurant and pull

01:32:40.120 out a fucking glue stick right so i think i think even thinking about this in terms of oh what can

01:32:46.420 we do on photoshop with firefly no fuck you get off the internet get off the computer go and do

01:32:53.020 something yeah because learn to carve that is also the context i think that's what's interesting

01:32:58.420 that we're talking about um including lots of what was the comment you made that the maker's

01:33:04.280 mark is going to be the idiosyncrasies the idea that we're always looking for new context to layer

01:33:09.660 and evidence that we've been outside and touching grass is also just context that can't be reproduced

01:33:16.180 by a machine or maybe it can at some point but then we got stay ahead of that too yeah stay ahead

01:33:20.540 of it yeah and yeah i just think that's there we're touching on something pretty interesting

01:33:25.640 there um all right so i guess we're getting up to two hours now do we pick up all the submissions

01:33:33.640 do we pick a winner yes we're gonna pick a winner do you're all we're all winners what was that

01:33:40.020 we said we said we're talking last night we're saying oh yeah we should really pick the winner

01:33:45.620 in advance and like plan it out and then we just got talking and then we're just like okay all

01:33:49.980 right i'll talk to you tomorrow and we didn't fucking decide anything so all right i guess we

01:33:57.340 do it now yeah you want to pick a top three and go from there like i like nat squash yeah for sure

01:34:04.540 nat squash is in top three i mean obviously this one um the blood satellite ms paint one

01:34:12.100 uh come on honorable mention honorable mention to to donnie bridgehide like i i think it's

01:34:19.880 actually putting our name in it you think it's nascwatch i think that's the top of the nascwatch

01:34:25.640 and then murdoch and then like np maybe like because to me also a contributing factor is

01:34:35.220 what inspired discussion yeah and i think there's some ones here that actually inspired

01:34:40.360 like got us going and added some some life to the conversation which is i think what good

01:34:46.420 art is supposed to do like that's the purpose of this shit right wait somebody okay we got a dono

01:34:51.880 from the pill dispenser you forgot mine oh shit uh who is the pill dispenser do you have fuck did

01:35:01.260 i not get a name okay yeah so let's get um oh yeah you know what i think i did i think i did forget

01:35:07.500 it is okay here let's do this one go on my twitter the pill dispenser yeah okay sorry

01:35:17.560 here we go a surprise entry no this isn't a surprise entry this was me being fucking stupid

01:35:23.840 because i actually saw this and the pill dispenser is a really good guy check him out on on twitter

01:35:30.220 pill dispenser so you know bob bob is sitting beside me and she's going she's mouthing you

01:35:36.900 forgot one go look at look at the chat you forgot one so thank you bob how harshly mouthing um

01:35:47.060 all right so let's go through this one i like all right here we go one and i haven't seen this

01:35:53.880 fresh eyes so introduction i lived in one of those global see one of those goals to say and i saw a

01:36:00.740 price per square meter skyrocket before the late 2000s one could live in a flat let's say 80 meters

01:36:08.380 squared have a little terrace with neglected floor he's got an image here good to do number two if i

01:36:15.840 say to someone that i leave in the that i leave in the place mentioned before people will look at

01:36:21.760 me like I won the lottery. Space in urban city used to be more expansive than the countryside.

01:36:26.660 It still is, but now there's a moral imperative to use every bit of space effectively. If you

01:36:31.780 have an abandoned plot in the city, people will speak ill of you. If we project ourselves in

01:36:37.020 the future, we will see the same concept applied to every space, including the walls. Having a

01:36:42.060 plain white wall will be frowned upon. Interesting. We will soon see the optimization of space

01:36:48.000 everywhere even in a simple drawer this is the purpose this is the purpose canvas but what are

01:36:53.500 we going to put in it uh i made an occult pact against the present as nick would say nick land

01:36:59.040 i assume let's put the destruction of the present in it interesting what's the present for me it's

01:37:07.320 the screen no screen then older model representation for the stained glass the

01:37:12.000 baster leaf carving or the tapestry that's interesting almost like stained glass as like

01:37:16.740 a beautiful reformation of this record.

01:37:18.540 And it's also cool because this is actually exactly

01:37:20.320 what I was talking about a minute ago

01:37:21.880 without actually having even seen this.

01:37:23.820 Can you imagine if I missed this?

01:37:28.860 You piece of shit, we're live!

01:37:32.660 If we want a good model of that,

01:37:34.620 the Gothic Church is the perfect embodiment.

01:37:37.060 Plus, it's an inherent link to the Warhammer 40k universe,

01:37:41.360 which is a very good inspiration for our corner of the internet.

01:37:45.920 Ooh.

01:37:46.740 this is interesting i assume he made these i don't know because if he made these these are

01:37:52.200 very very cool let me see recent comments

01:37:57.040 stained glass oh someone stained glass slaps it does slap um example we are heading to futuristic

01:38:05.980 stained glass or bass relief i like that yeah that might be a winner right there

01:38:11.940 a good start for the representation of this aesthetic is this clock let's have a look at this

01:38:18.180 clock i'm gonna make clocks like this is gonna be like the bane of like some gen alpha person

01:38:32.560 who can't even read digital clocks anymore um but it's a start only and you could use what

01:38:38.780 civilization does best and make an even better execution with the latest cnc technology here

01:38:44.960 we go cnc you know what that's an interesting diff employing different manufacturing techniques

01:38:50.860 you're a cnc guy right you've done yeah man no absolutely we're just talking about this that

01:38:56.140 everybody thinks cnc and 3d printing is the future because it's robotics and robots save you so much

01:39:00.960 work but that's that's just from people who don't know anything about the technology there's so many

01:39:05.620 humans in the line to make something that's actually complex and innovative so if you want

01:39:10.560 to keep humans in control of aesthetics yeah you get up you cut the screens you get back in the

01:39:16.960 fucking meat realm and you you use a mix of different materials and techniques absolutely

01:39:23.740 it's interesting because it's like it lives within the same realm as graffiti it lives in the same

01:39:30.280 realm as you know making the the walls alive with messaging leaving no space untouched by human

01:39:39.100 communication so this is like the almost like a hyper real version of of graffiti so it's like

01:39:46.040 this sort of like living base relief on walls if you know if in this future where space is so

01:39:53.480 limited that you must there could be no blank walls which is an interesting idea that because

01:39:57.600 when you think of the future in a sci-fi sense you're probably thinking of sterile white wall

01:40:04.040 every depiction of the future is like like apple designed it you know it's featureless and it's

01:40:09.580 white which is actually what i described in the book this colossal corpus of serious gloves one

01:40:15.220 of the stories is kind of like that but i like the idea that in an extreme version of this world in

01:40:21.480 like the techno stained glass version of this world,

01:40:25.160 everything is alive with messaging.

01:40:28.360 You know, it's like you can never leave

01:40:30.640 the information overload.

01:40:32.580 That's an interesting idea.

01:40:33.600 So it's not like you,

01:40:35.460 this is kind of what we were talking about before,

01:40:36.960 about jailbreaking the digital world.

01:40:39.980 There's this idea that we will intrude

01:40:43.980 in the digital space and become locked.

01:40:45.480 I know maybe the digital space intrudes on the real world

01:40:48.100 and you just can't escape it.

01:40:49.660 will be no escape from information yeah and you know this is something we talk about quite a bit

01:40:56.460 um when we were talking about cybernetics the idea that the human mind cannot actually live

01:41:02.540 divorced from the corporeal reality that it doesn't know how to exist outside of the human

01:41:07.980 body so like our human experience is like an interplay between you know the the physical

01:41:14.460 world and our interpretation of it so the more you change our environment the more you will

01:41:19.900 necessarily change how we think and if there is nowhere to flee from information like it'll it'll

01:41:27.100 change your mind forever that there'll be no solitude again i'm taking this off into like a

01:41:32.060 crazy direction but what do you think about that without me andrew i i should just finish reading

01:41:37.660 this thing but what do you think about that yeah for sure all right the conclusion since it's a

01:41:42.300 physical lancer and you wanted an image or video i have to translate my idea i proposed a mix

01:41:46.980 between notre dame de paris and the construct from the matrix i present to you the white the

01:41:52.080 white gothic back room oh i like this someone put a pill dispenser gets number one barely pulling

01:42:02.580 ahead of msp blood satellite i like this i like what do you think i i yeah you're seeing this for

01:42:13.180 the first time yeah i'm no i'm seeing this for the first time all the other ones i had some time

01:42:16.660 to gestate and and kind of i had my own hierarchy but yeah fuck he did the branding he did the

01:42:25.260 branding yeah he's got the bs so this is a guy one of the few guys that read the

01:42:32.440 actual contest information again could you imagine we missed this one

01:42:38.000 buddy i need to get on twitter shit yeah i got getting my twitter back was the greatest thing

01:42:48.280 okay i'm just gonna call it i think this one takes it i'm fair with that i want to debrief

01:42:54.160 a little bit because i think what like for me it was gonna be i was gonna say nat squash wins it

01:43:01.200 But I think this wins it for the same reason that Natsquatch would win it.

01:43:08.900 And can we just be gay schoolroom teachers and be like, everyone's a winner.

01:43:14.560 Except for Max Danger and Kel and Clossington.

01:43:18.380 But everyone else is a winner.

01:43:20.920 I say it's an intermission to win in another day.

01:43:26.820 Good.

01:43:27.760 This is your opportunity to win tomorrow.

01:43:30.000 Good.

01:43:31.200 not everyone could win this day if everyone could be a winner today then it would be a holocaust

01:43:37.520 of victory instead of a victorious holocaust yeah but so aside from aside from it following

01:43:44.000 all of the contest rules which is obviously a requirement and i get back we it follows first

01:43:50.480 of all this idea that um this idea that it is a a method a technique that we can use that's

01:43:59.200 actually practical like what we mentioned earlier about using using ai well it does what i liked for

01:44:05.600 the sunflower society which is kind of explaining it's it came with a story and i actually think

01:44:10.940 this story would be a part of it like i'm kind of taking the post-modernist approach that i think

01:44:16.140 the entire tweet thread is the piece and that sounds super gay but i am loud and i am proud

01:44:23.780 and I think the tweet thread is

01:44:25.820 the thing.

01:44:27.680 I'm not judging it that way. I'm actually just judging

01:44:29.760 it on the aesthetics, but I'm glad that he put the tweet

01:44:31.840 thread in because he's explaining it.

01:44:33.620 We kind of get where he's going

01:44:35.820 with it. Also, by the way, Censored or Non is asking

01:44:37.700 were we supposed to put Blood Sally in the graphic? No.

01:44:40.960 I just

01:44:41.760 liked it. I like a bit of

01:44:43.500 ass kissing.

01:44:45.980 It was just a nice switch. That's

01:44:47.700 not the deal breaker. That's not what pushed it over the

01:44:49.740 edge. Sorry, I cut you

01:44:51.720 off there. No, it's alright.

01:44:53.780 oh there's music too since vapor rope style is heavily related to music home resonance should

01:45:00.440 be replaced with anything from prometheus studio or cryo chamber i know exactly what he's talking

01:45:04.780 about um and there's a whole bunch of inspirations here so i'll have people check that out but um

01:45:10.580 yeah i think this i think this takes i think this this kind of it's not only an interesting

01:45:16.640 design aesthetic i think it's almost like a design ethos i think it the best of these memes

01:45:24.500 kind of uh give us an inclination of where they could go and i love the nat squash one

01:45:30.660 um and i love like everyone look everyone's a winner but i i end up the ones that inspired

01:45:37.040 discussion are clearly if everyone's a winner there's what we might call super winners and the

01:45:42.880 super winners yeah the chicken dinners are the ones that inspired discussion i think this inspired

01:45:47.700 discussion the pill dispenser submission is the type of aesthetic that i was talking about earlier

01:45:53.180 that is something that draws enough on our history that if it gets integrated as an aesthetic that is

01:45:58.360 used by institutions and by movements and by large groups of people that it could have extremely long

01:46:04.220 legs right because like you said it's a design ethos it's like a design sop it's a way of thinking

01:46:11.600 about design and approaching aesthetics so and then similarly the reason that i really liked

01:46:18.700 sunflower societies and murdoch's submissions is because they do they aren't vaporwave remember a

01:46:26.040 core thing here is it's not fucking vaporwave i'm sorry i know there might have been some

01:46:30.140 confusion with censoring on where he thought that kill vaporwave was drive it into the ground

01:46:34.940 and be super vaporwave should have been more clear that i that might be me

01:46:40.220 ca we're sorry i i i like i like the the the suicide bomber mentality at display here i don't

01:46:50.540 want to suffocate that he made the most vaporwave thing possible in a sense that that that does do

01:47:00.740 it um but like i was saying murdoch and um and laughing man both did something that is connected

01:47:08.800 already to like the whole the the wizard stylish fit older white guy long hair and beard because

01:47:16.740 he's cool and kind of tying together the ancient and the modern like i like that as an so i think

01:47:25.140 a wizard is like a memetic capsule for all of those things and that's why it's a great thing

01:47:30.060 And then the lane core, again, just tying into white North American millennial nostalgia and the general concept of lane with it being like the destruction of self through over networking and like touching grass.

01:47:44.560 Like there's a lot of like, again, using that as a capsule to just say, oh, remember lane?

01:47:49.100 What was that about?

01:47:49.980 What are we evoking?

01:47:51.360 So I think those were great.

01:47:53.560 And again, we already talked about all the reasons not squatches was great.

01:47:56.980 And then look, if if the objective was to drive vaporwave into the ground, CA would have won. If that's what he was trying to do, he did it. Because I said that at the beginning, CA submission is the most vaporwave thing you could have fucking made. It's flawless, flawless, flawless execution.

01:48:19.640 also extra points for just saying something i think we all agree with which is oppress women

01:48:26.220 for real i mean it's hard to argue against that it's when you see something that says what we're

01:48:30.960 all thinking like you know a good dilbert comic yeah you know it's it's hard to put a price on

01:48:37.440 that so because it is in essence priceless it can be awarded no money

01:48:44.080 um so i i think i'll be in touch with pill dispenser and we i'll be dispensing

01:48:53.900 the pills of of dollars at him and i just want to thank everyone who actually made a submission

01:49:01.080 um this is you know i joked at the start that this this contest was a disaster but i don't

01:49:08.540 believe that anymore i think i actually through this journey we walked hand in hand uh down i

01:49:15.300 really think we arrived at something i think is pretty exciting you know what you you kind of

01:49:20.020 threw this at me after you had not that it's a big it's not a problem i'm just saying the way

01:49:25.780 that it happened was you came up with the contest and you're like after the contest had been

01:49:29.360 announced you're like hey we should do the announcement as a live stream and i'm like yeah

01:49:33.500 that sounds fine but you know what i'm thinking now this could only have been a live stream it

01:49:37.760 was important that we do it this way and it's funny that you're right we came in here thinking

01:49:41.520 oh there's so many you know janky submissions we didn't get that many submissions but you know

01:49:47.560 what i think getting submissions from all of these guys that are close to us and we're all

01:49:52.740 kind of thinking on the same level this has been one big workshop yeah actually hold that thought

01:49:58.500 i gotta run to the washroom really quick can you just keep going and read the chat we're not gonna

01:50:02.380 edit it out. Bob, come here. We're chatting. Dimes is gone. Bob, you want it? No? Okay.

01:50:11.580 She's tired. It's all right. Dimes is taking a piss. We can't edit it out. We need B-roll.

01:50:18.060 We need audio B-roll. Why is he taking a piss? Because he's got a bladder. Can he like not

01:50:26.120 get a bottle? Can he get a piss bottle? Yeah. Should ask him to get a piss bottle.

01:50:32.380 here we go I would drink less water what should I do should I sing I'm not

01:50:45.400 gonna fuck as I was saying yeah this has been my treat because I am actually a

01:50:54.620 a green-eyed BPDR, and I am thrilled to get to talk for two hours largely about design

01:51:02.720 and aesthetics, so it's nice, it is nice, sorry to all the fellas that didn't win, not

01:51:13.220 sorry, but sorry.

01:51:15.140 Okay, I came back to you apologizing, what did you say?

01:51:18.500 I said I wasn't sorry, I said I wasn't sorry to the fellas who didn't win.

01:51:21.280 you're already burning i leave for five fucking seconds you start burning bridges

01:51:26.060 go fashion classington dress me up but you can't take me out i've seen here i'm like

01:51:32.980 maybe i should piss in a bottle yeah bob said you should have had a piss bottle

01:51:37.840 you know i think you could hear it though like even if you don't hear the actual piss and you'd

01:51:43.400 hear it in my demeanor i'm not i'm not sure i'm ready to reveal that part of myself

01:51:51.260 all right so let's let's get through a couple of sound effects here we've got fart

01:51:59.120 uh one of my favorites get a life jews um what else yeah we don't need to go through them all

01:52:08.680 um all right so i guess that's that's the end is there anything else you wanted to do we actually

01:52:15.160 made it to just like over two hours i was afraid that we wouldn't get here no no it's i mean we did

01:52:20.300 we did fantastic we saved the rest of it for the next actual episode and i think that live streams

01:52:24.500 this format is neat i think uh maybe we do this i mean i know i think you've already planned that

01:52:29.640 right that once in a while we'll be doing these yeah it took me a while to get it all set up and

01:52:34.620 there was a couple technical issues of course at the start like with the fucking music videos not

01:52:39.720 playing right away but uh we worked through those and i like live streaming i don't dislike it um

01:52:46.000 i'm an old head so i love old radio and i love but i love produced you know podcasts but i'm like

01:52:54.220 the last across the finish line of like okay well i guess this live stream thing sticking around

01:53:00.220 right and people just seem to like it more so you know we'll do it um more often and the quality of

01:53:07.340 this i think stands up when you compare it to the early episodes of the show anyways it's a learning

01:53:11.940 curve well also like i i could have done this really easy i could have just gone on like

01:53:15.800 stream yard or something like i could have just taken the easy way out it's like i well i have to

01:53:20.480 like design a whole fucking space for it i gotta get a spectralizer and i gotta do all this shit

01:53:26.340 but uh it's only gonna get more complicated from here is what i'm saying it's only gonna get

01:53:31.680 more ridiculous all right so um we're gonna get going now because i gotta get going to bed but

01:53:39.300 any final words any final things we didn't read here uh yeah piss bottle piss bottle piss bottle

01:53:48.720 uh contest is jewish now fair enough

01:53:53.100 uh are we back or is it over good question um oh shit

01:54:02.340 okay that's it so anyway thank you for the donations uh we really really appreciate them

01:54:10.220 we've never gotten donations on this thing before uh so anyway thank you everyone and uh i guess

01:54:16.680 we'll do this again soon that's all folks good night all right bye

Blood Satellite - July 21, 2023

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