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00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be

00:00:07.760 blood satellite yeah i didn't do any real prep for this show i've just been watching ethan ralph

00:00:21.880 die ah yes um we've been watching him die for a long time it seems anyone who's stuck with this

00:00:29.280 story this is what it's like chris chan any of these guys who are young but on the verge of death

00:00:36.220 and make no mistake i truly believe we're going to witness ethan ralph kill himself on stream

00:00:42.780 yeah it's more likely than maybe any other lol cow at this point i've never been more sure of

00:00:48.880 anything in my life that he's going to get pilled out he's going to be on the zannies he's going to

00:00:54.800 be on the maker's mark and some chat is going to dare him to blow his brains out and he's going to

00:01:01.200 stumble you think i won't you think i won't fucking do it like you fucking pussy you fucking

00:01:09.240 bitch listen and he's gonna get up close to the mic with his fucking sunglasses on at night

00:01:14.920 with just a just a green screen in the background this is what he's doing i'm describing what he's

00:01:18.980 doing now in his last streams he will kill himself to spite a two dollar super chat yeah and then

00:01:27.100 you're looking back you're like oh man what think of the glory days there was no glory days this was

00:01:32.720 always written in the stars like host of host of the kill host of the ralph retort always a dumb

00:01:40.960 name always a bad enterprise yeah it's it's it's just weird that with a lot of the stuff on cozy

00:01:50.320 it's weird that it ever launched in the first place i guess like none of these guys are talented

00:01:55.700 or interesting all of their ideas are trash none of them are funny like and ralph is the best

00:02:01.900 example like he never had anything going for him it's shocking that he fell at all because

00:02:07.160 from day one it seemed like he was already at rock bottom and yet he keeps finding new lows

00:02:12.160 so there is something novel about that the other thing that pisses him off is that he tells everyone

00:02:18.480 that he's from memphis but we wouldn't know this because we're canadians apparently there's a bunch

00:02:24.660 of memphises and it's not the memphis you're thinking about it's some bullshit off-brand

00:02:32.120 to memphis and like he doesn't want people to know and that would be like you know like new

00:02:38.180 original original memphis is in egypt isn't it yeah yeah true that's the one i want to be from

00:02:44.580 it's like i'm from paris like you don't even sound like you're from paris you're clearly

00:02:49.780 from paris ontario yeah yeah you're just a london ontario dump of shit but it's like you were saying

00:03:00.120 like oh i go check the kiwi farms i'll go read up on him like where do you begin that is a long

00:03:06.400 weekend you've committed yourself to like you're going to be staring at a screen you're going to

00:03:11.100 be you gotta go through all the drama you got a piece it's like going through chris chan where

00:03:16.400 the fuck do you begin with chris chan and should you yeah and he is similar to chris chan and like

00:03:22.060 a lot of lol cows they're just dumb but they really are trying to like fix things like you

00:03:27.480 remember draken lord like there's a couple of them where they're not they're hilarious but they

00:03:31.940 really at some point they really do just want to be left alone but people keep harassing them

00:03:36.100 but like with chris chan all you have to do is turn the fucking camera off man all you have to

00:03:41.080 do is just stop but you keep doing it to yourself like you are a fat alcoholic drug addicted retard

00:03:48.020 whose family is destroyed you need to get off the internet and go get a normal fucking job

00:03:53.020 and recover from like financial destruction before you kill yourself but he's not going to

00:03:57.620 just like chris chan chris chan at any time could just get off the fucking internet man

00:04:02.540 so the funny thing is it's like the only people you have left are people cheering for your downfall

00:04:08.380 and even they are the ones trying to talk you back from the ledge like i was just watching a

00:04:13.380 clip on the kino casino where he was just out of his mind blackout drunk and let me just say i do

00:04:20.200 appreciate guys like this out there because they help keep me sober i remember what it was like

00:04:25.560 to be in that state just you're delirious you don't know what's going on and you're in a state

00:04:32.300 where you don't process thoughts anymore every thought that occurs to you you say out loud

00:04:37.700 you're just thinking and talking and thinking and talking and it doesn't make sense

00:04:41.960 and you're you're half thinking things it's like you're like half asleep and you can't even tell

00:04:47.600 if you're dreaming can't tell what's real you might have conversations with people who aren't

00:04:51.760 there people who've never been into the depths of like the true depths of a bender like that like

00:04:57.580 no you do hallucinate you'll hallucinate all kinds of shit you'll lash out you'll

00:05:01.900 throw your credit cards as a weapon you'll do things that don't make sense

00:05:05.760 you'll you'll get in your car and try and put your car on a roller coaster and and several

00:05:12.600 casualties several fatalities on top of the casualties dimes has done all of this

00:05:17.280 yes that's kind of like it's i'd say do it once but you know don't do it it's like the whole like

00:05:23.820 have the first drink run over the first bitch but it's the second and the third that get you

00:05:29.960 but it's funny with lolcows because there's they're always walking a line of is this person

00:05:36.680 mentally ill but does that matter like there's um there's a guy like on youtube named porcelain

00:05:44.460 he does these fantastic documentaries on lolcows he's got one about patrick tomlinson coming out

00:05:50.100 very excited he's he's a little gem that i've been holding on to for years now and we might

00:05:55.560 cover him at some point but there's a guy named mogar he's got like a three-part documentary on

00:06:01.280 this guy and he's just like a guy we probably knew growing up he's like a steel town sort of guy

00:06:07.040 fat white guy smoking cigarettes hacking darts big jean shorts thinks he's a samurai

00:06:15.220 looking for a girlfriend but he is convinced he's the most masculine guy in the world

00:06:20.280 lives at home lives in the basement and has like not a heavy bag hanging in the basement it's just

00:06:26.720 like a bunch of pillows and he just stabs it and he acts like he's he's the motherfucker and does

00:06:31.660 like like little gun katas and films himself in a parking lot right like well this is a fool

00:06:38.580 of the highest order but then they let it slip that they they fantasize about raping kids or

00:06:45.500 something like that they'll make an argument where you're like oh you're not harmless

00:06:50.280 Buford got him quite worked up and to the point he was like yelling at the top of his lungs and

00:06:56.660 his dad had to come downstairs to be like hey what's up you need to calm down after his dad's

00:07:01.320 calmed him down. He's like, I could kick this table, but I won't because it would just break

00:07:06.480 my toys. Lou started like hyperventilating, lowering his heart rate a bit over the course

00:07:12.360 of the next few minutes. And then he was explaining to his dad how he's actually like Akuma from

00:07:17.080 Street Fighter or something like that. His dad was like, oh, okay. And just went upstairs. I guess

00:07:21.820 he was like, okay, I've calmed him down from a murderous rage. That's my job done for the day.

00:07:26.560 I'm going to go back up and watch TV.

00:07:28.340 By some unidentified case of divine intervention, Lewis Finlay's fortunes were about to change for the better,

00:07:35.020 courtesy of some anonymous benefactor's generous donation of a $500 thermoplastic sex doll.

00:07:41.280 Standing at just over 3 foot and 3 inches high, Sex Angel Baby's Apollini boasts a hinged metal alloy frame,

00:07:48.700 a removable blonde synthetic wig, and an absolutely whopping pair of gelatinous tits.

00:07:53.680 And, with what the seller describes as a usable mouth, anus and heated vagina, this questionably

00:07:59.700 sized fuck toy was about to turn Lou's entire life upside down.

00:08:04.140 After cautiously unboxing what would become his new silicon sweetheart, he would deduce

00:08:08.680 the identity of the doll to be none other than his imaginary girlfriend Ren, concluding

00:08:13.580 she had first removed her own head before shipping herself to Louis in a padded box

00:08:17.940 mark special delivery.

00:08:20.380 And then there's a lot of cases where a lolcow is so preposterous and you're laughing, but there's something in them that is still evil.

00:08:28.920 And they'll say, oh, you know, they'll try and wallpaper that and say, oh, he's just, you know, he'd never get the chance to do that.

00:08:35.120 I'm like, yeah, see, but that's the thing.

00:08:36.360 It's you didn't get the chance.

00:08:37.700 Like, it's like you could have Down syndrome, but have the spirit of a rapist inside you.

00:08:43.240 It's only because of the Down syndrome that you're not the world's greatest rapist.

00:08:46.680 I'm not sure where I'm going with this, but I think.

00:08:48.800 yeah no it's true though because i've heard that cope many times with christian especially but with

00:08:53.540 a number of these different ones it's like oh let's do that the fucking huge fat guy airsoft

00:08:58.800 fatty is one but then there's the other one the like he's like a fat gamer guy i forget his name

00:09:04.980 but well there's um i mean fuck i think there's wings of redemption then there's um the guy

00:09:12.680 Boogie shh. Boogie, yeah. So with Boogie, and they're always saying like, oh no, it was,

00:09:18.000 you know, Boogie just had, like they're treating his fatness as like a disease. You know what I

00:09:22.540 mean? And this is related. In late 2018, he posted an image of his scale showing that he was at 350

00:09:29.440 pounds. Then in January of 2019, he claimed that he's now hitting 350 and this is somehow an

00:09:35.280 improvement. Either he somehow faked the scale's numbers in 2018, or he's lying to his audience in

00:09:40.100 January, acting like he's still improving and losing weight. Keep in mind at this point his

00:09:43.820 YouTube earnings already paid for a weight loss surgery, and his fans are cheering him on the

00:09:47.460 whole time. Why even announce this weight loss journey if you're not going to follow through

00:09:50.900 or even attempt? What's noticeable is that he could just keep these things private. He never

00:09:54.800 even had to announce his weight loss journey. Instead, he deliberately made it public for

00:09:58.460 everyone to see, only to lie about it for what seems like no reason. In countless different

00:10:02.680 instances, he can be seen drinking things like milkshakes and sodas despite having sworn these

00:10:06.820 things off. While he occasionally admits that he outright failed to eat like he was supposed to in

00:10:10.400 order to lose weight, he also often says that eating less makes him literally suicidal and he

00:10:14.780 has no intention of actually diminishing it to any significant degree. In between the multiple

00:10:18.780 glasses of soda per meal, pizzas, and cookies, it's evident that Boogie doesn't care as much

00:10:23.340 about fixing his diet as he pretends to for inspirational videos on YouTube. A fitness

00:10:27.440 YouTuber even tried to help him lose weight, only for Boogie to make snide comments on Reddit about

00:10:31.800 how he's only after his clout and money, with more excuses about how being 350 pounds is where he's

00:10:36.460 comfortable at and statistically where he's meant to be whatever that's supposed to mean

00:10:39.900 like it's the same case like oh no chris chan isn't actually a weird literal motherfucking

00:10:47.080 pedophile weirdo right he's just retarded and in the same way it's like no boogie just has he has

00:10:53.380 like a weight problem it's a disease he needs treatment and it's like as a as a right winger

00:10:57.640 no he doesn't he's a fucking slovenly piece of shit he deserves to die of of like a arterial

00:11:03.380 blockage you know i have no sympathy for him whatsoever and i can't think of an example of

00:11:08.700 one of these law cows where they actually do have a legitimate medical issue or like a mental

00:11:14.220 disability and it's not their fault and we're just internet meanies that are picking on them i can't

00:11:18.660 think of a single example yeah well that's every fucking case in every case any medical

00:11:22.780 disadvantage they might have is just icing on the cake like well who's this uh fucking cyrax

00:11:29.120 the pedophile who got like arrested the other day this is great right because he's clearly

00:11:33.240 like iq 75 knuckle dragging like he only has one working eye like he's a broken man physically

00:11:40.060 but he's also a pedophile so like i don't fucking care man i want to see somebody beat him with a

00:11:44.480 pipe and this is the same thing that happened uh with the west memphis three and we've mentioned

00:11:50.780 the west memphis three before they were the stars of the documentary paradise lost there's a trio

00:11:55.440 of documentaries and they were a huge case uh about there was a child a few children a couple

00:12:02.720 children that were ritualistically brutally murdered what appeared to be a satanic murder

00:12:08.120 and these three young boys uh were not three like teens right or caught and then tried for the

00:12:15.380 murder and there was actually a mountain of evidence that convicted them but they tried to

00:12:19.740 portray it as this was a satanic panic thing this was somehow related to oh the kids they liked

00:12:26.380 heavy metal music and so the town is a small american town there's you know you heard the

00:12:31.100 story but i believe they actually did it but one of the guys there same thing he had an iq of like

00:12:36.760 70 you know legally retarded whatever it might be and they use that as as his defense however he was

00:12:43.620 also the guy who confessed to it he was the guy who confessed that they murdered and led the police

00:12:48.060 to the scene and and gave them details about it that no one would have known from the paper and

00:12:54.160 he was also drunk and he had a girlfriend right because you know this was in you know if you're

00:12:59.840 in a small enough town even retards can get laid that's and that's that's how you know it

00:13:04.740 christians are good people you know christians like christians catholics they're the ones who

00:13:11.540 will defend the rights of the retarded to live you're not going to get that in new york

00:13:17.600 or you barely you barely get that in nolens but and but then he was they tried to say that oh he

00:13:27.040 couldn't do it but i'm like no just because he has the iq of 70 doesn't mean that he can't be

00:13:31.300 a murderer but there's that sort of germ that lives in people's minds that say oh he's too

00:13:36.460 dumb to kill because with ignorance comes innocence and i'm like no you can be a fucking

00:13:42.880 dumb asshole and be way way more savage perhaps anyway that's what i'm trying to say about you

00:13:49.120 know how how i how i view disabilities even if it's a physical disability not a mental one like

00:13:55.280 you know you're in a wheelchair or something i view it as like a multiplier where it's like if

00:14:00.640 you're a good and innocent person and you're in a wheelchair and no fault of your own i i feel

00:14:05.800 more sorry for you or rather i like you more i'll give you more of a pass but if you're a rapist

00:14:10.400 or a violent criminal or, you know, a catophile.

00:14:12.620 You hate them more.

00:14:13.680 It's a multiply in the other direction.

00:14:15.080 Yeah, it's a multiply in the other direction.

00:14:16.540 Like, if you're a rapist and you're also in a wheelchair,

00:14:20.580 I actually hate you more

00:14:21.800 because you had to really go out of your way, right?

00:14:24.780 Yeah.

00:14:25.220 Think about it.

00:14:25.800 Like, it wasn't just a casual rape.

00:14:27.560 You planned that for weeks.

00:14:28.720 You got the fucking robotic legs out.

00:14:30.680 Like, you paid for this.

00:14:31.720 God gave you so many reasons to not murder.

00:14:34.400 At any point, you could have said,

00:14:35.980 man, I wouldn't really want to strangle this bitch,

00:14:37.500 but I ain't got no legs.

00:14:40.400 But you decided to persevere and overcome.

00:14:48.300 Good.

00:14:49.320 There's something I wanted to ask you about.

00:14:52.080 Now, you might have some insight into this culturally,

00:14:56.700 but a video was circulating.

00:14:59.220 And actually, okay, it was a video that I've seen before.

00:15:02.260 It was a video in our chat.

00:15:04.580 I'll just describe the video because it wouldn't work over audio.

00:15:07.940 It's what looks to be a Chinese woman who's got a big white rabbit.

00:15:14.960 And it's a TikTok video, no sound, just music.

00:15:17.840 And she's bathing the rabbit and blow drying it and petting it and then puts a nice leafy garland around its neck and it's looking nice.

00:15:27.320 And then the next scene is her dicing up its meat because she's using that rabbit for some kind of bullshit walk concoction.

00:15:36.160 um and i know the point of discussion in the chat was why do these people make such terrible food

00:15:43.960 and i'd like to get to that in a second but the other thing i was thinking of was something seemed

00:15:49.960 off about that because i'm like hmm why do you have to show the animal what i have to show like

00:15:55.880 taking care of the animal and displaying it and showing its life now i've seen this before

00:16:01.920 in these specifically Chinese videos.

00:16:06.680 And it seemed like a meme.

00:16:08.020 It seemed like a thing to like piss people off.

00:16:09.920 It would be like,

00:16:10.780 I'm going to show me raising this baby pig

00:16:14.440 for a hundred days.

00:16:15.580 On the hundredth day,

00:16:16.460 I'm going to kill and eat it.

00:16:17.840 And it's just this adorable pig on the hundredth.

00:16:20.140 And he does it.

00:16:21.340 And then he slaughters it and eats it

00:16:22.720 and films himself eating it.

00:16:24.200 And that seemed like a meme phenomenon.

00:16:27.300 And I'm like, okay, is this to fuck with people?

00:16:29.240 Is it to fuck with Westerners?

00:16:30.500 because westerners are so attracted you know i'm attracted but well some that's not good but they're

00:16:35.700 so into cute animals and this is to fuck with them um but then i was also looking at that i'm like

00:16:41.880 but it doesn't look like she's pampering the animal or anything it looks almost ritualistic

00:16:48.880 that she's cleaning it and drying the bunny as if she was prepping the food you know what i mean

00:16:55.420 like washing like a black people wash their meat i'm like is that part but that seems purposeless

00:17:01.580 because why would you bathe an animal before you slaughter it like is is this is it a meme

00:17:07.860 is it confusion is it to fuck with people is it because i'm not offended and the other thing

00:17:14.060 people are saying was oh so what's wrong with showing people that their their food was alive

00:17:20.100 what's wrong with exposing people to the fact that these animals and i'm like i i'm not against that

00:17:24.960 Perhaps. I'm not against that being normalized in the West scene, reminding people that this chicken is a chicken. Look at the meat where it comes from. Farm life. All that. I'm not like, oh, how dare you show the cute bunny? It's just something seemed off. And I want to hear your thoughts about this because we discussed this. But based on this conflagration of ideas I came out with, what's your read on the situation?

00:17:53.860 well you got to establish right away people in china don't actually do this like this is just

00:17:58.140 a weird thing that's been completely staged for a tiktok video the question is why did they do it

00:18:03.760 for the video and why is it done in such a weird way and to me there were a couple of other hints

00:18:09.420 like if you just if you just describe it as woman washes and pampers rabbit and then quick cut to

00:18:16.160 her cooking the rabbit meat that's one thing but when you the quick cut and then when she's cooking

00:18:21.000 the rabbit meat she's cooking first of all way more rabbit meat than came out of that rabbit

00:18:25.560 like there's a lot more meat there and then there's also her like when she puts the onions in

00:18:30.800 she does like a hand flip with the with the pan and she throws it into the air and the camera

00:18:35.520 follows it sailing off into a field so there's a bunch of like goofball shit going on in the video

00:18:40.340 which is all like all surreal she's cooking it in a walk the size of like a car hood like a lot of

00:18:45.240 it is it's just it's it's a weird video and there's actually a whole category like a genre i guess

00:18:50.280 of chinese tiktok videos that are just like wacky surreal rural china life videos and i like some

00:18:58.440 of the some of them are quite funny actually i feel like this is kind of in that vein and they

00:19:02.960 my theory is based on the comedy of the way she's cooking it is they're tone deaf to western

00:19:09.880 audiences and this is just their take on humor which kind of works for them and that's like

00:19:15.220 look at this cute bunny oh no he's dead like i don't think they're actually trying to show

00:19:20.040 look how well we take care of our animals if you get inside mainland chinese heads

00:19:23.940 this is comedy this is like man in a dress in 1995 right this is look at this cute white bunny

00:19:29.880 i washed his hair with my own shampoo oh look now he's bad stir fry like that that's that's kind of

00:19:35.680 what i thought it was okay yeah yeah yeah because because some people were saying like oh it's

00:19:40.760 actually a ritual because i was looking i'm like she put like leafy garland on it and this is

00:19:45.100 me my western mind i'm like oh a mainland chinese maybe comedy this is like a pagan chinese thing

00:19:51.380 no no no no no no well and i was saying in the thing like if you've been to like i challenge

00:19:56.600 anybody even in north america go to a chinese seafood restaurant even just stick your head in

00:20:00.760 to ask for the menu and look around while you're in there and also i want to get your opinion i

00:20:04.140 want to get your opinion on that style of cooking because you had a good rant on this yes just about

00:20:09.220 the animal the animal ethics thing because you go into a chinese restaurant ask for a menu and

00:20:14.160 while you're waiting look around they will always have a fish tank within the restaurant because

00:20:18.040 they want to prominently display their huge fish because it's like a it's like a prestige thing to

00:20:24.780 have like a big grouper or something but invariably the water is filthy and half of the fish are dead

00:20:31.440 or dying and diseased but they are huge and that's fine and they're always like that they will keep

00:20:37.180 those half dead giant fish in there for years and the chinese people who are the only people who eat

00:20:41.640 there they don't care to them the message is made you are a wealthy restaurant that has a thousand

00:20:47.720 dollar fish in there that you're not eating now the fish itself is horribly diseased and begging

00:20:53.140 for death but i don't care because i'm chinese all i care about is i'm eating at a prestigious place

00:20:58.180 so this is how their culture works so they they don't care a one whit about about the health or

00:21:04.080 like the being kind to animals it's not part of their culture so yeah do you want to talk about

00:21:09.640 the food well and this was the whole thing because i was watching this video and i'm thinking i've

00:21:15.540 seen this video side by side with a video of an attractive young chinese woman eating a live frog

00:21:23.680 guts first right and with all the nice effects over i'm like so clearly this has something to

00:21:30.560 do with animal well-being and again i'm not trying to make a case that i'm offended by it i'm just

00:21:36.720 curious i'm like like what am i watching is is this the fact that we're laughing that

00:21:40.960 that acute animal died it seems to be that's what it is and you know i remember this during covid

00:21:45.680 because people people accurately correctly made the argument that a lot of the like right after

00:21:51.260 covid came out and people were saying it was like a bat disease everybody thought it was from bats

00:21:55.600 and so you started seeing all these tiktok videos of like chinese men and women in fancy dress in a

00:22:01.060 fancy restaurant eating like a live bat like obviously that was also made for kicks so that

00:22:07.980 was made as a sick joke and then this one with the bunny is kind of the opposite end of the spectrum

00:22:12.420 but was also made as like an off-taste joke which but the it's a very funny joke because it's like

00:22:17.640 oh they guys think you guys think we eat bats here's a video of us eating bats i'm like i

00:22:22.080 right do you know what jokes are do you know what first of all no they don't they don't know what

00:22:28.580 jokes are they there's no humor in chinese culture no real humor it's not it's not a funny culture

00:22:33.020 um but the i guess the point i'm making here is the never mind whether the jokes are funny the

00:22:39.460 video is real the woman did actually source a bat because you actually can buy bats at the live food

00:22:47.260 market and she did actually eat it right it's it is a bit that's what i'm saying she did eat the

00:22:54.020 fucking bat and the lady eating the live frogs or like hatching chicken eggs and stuffing the

00:22:59.100 whole thing in its mouth as it squeals and then swallowing it it's not cg they did do that and

00:23:04.140 they did it for a goofy bit on tiktok they different goofy but they guys think we eat frogs

00:23:08.940 so i went popped on over to the frog restaurant that is popular in my town what okay i like do

00:23:16.960 you know it's this seems confused yeah so the point is is they're exaggerating it and then the

00:23:23.120 irony to me was that because it was clearly exaggerated there were a lot of people defending

00:23:27.280 saying they don't really do this it's just a joke it's like okay but like the fact that okay if you

00:23:33.360 wanted to eat dimes if you wanted to go make a bit where you eat a bat first of all you try to find

00:23:37.960 a way where you didn't have to actually eat the bat second of all you'd have to get a fucking net

00:23:41.940 and go catch a bat because you can't buy a bat at the foods you can't go to no frills and buy a live

00:23:48.500 bat yeah i can't go to the marketplace and then there's two bat vendors because one of them is

00:23:54.460 for consumption and the other is for rituals and you don't want to eat the ritual bat that's a fool's

00:24:00.820 game yeah i mean it's a little bit cheaper but you're not going to like the amount of sinew

00:24:04.820 you think you're going to save uh uh was it what's the money over there what do you use for money

00:24:11.520 chinaman you might save what they they use other chinese people for money so you might save a

00:24:16.660 couple of chinamen there but you're gonna be paying for it tomorrow with your chinaman which

00:24:22.000 is you yeah that's a good bit a guy who stands next he goes for a transaction and has one chinese

00:24:33.220 guy with him who's his brother and then just a bunch of mirrors to make it look like it's the

00:24:38.040 same guy and that they're like oh yeah it's yes you have several

00:24:41.740 but each mirror costs so much money

00:24:47.020 this bit itself is a hall of mirrors

00:24:54.160 we've gotten lost in our own bit again i forgot how we got we're talking about

00:24:59.460 ethan ralph being fat no we're talking about food we're talking

00:25:04.080 about shitty chinese food and bats i think we killed we killed ralph

00:25:08.660 already we're talking about how the competence crisis has already impacted whacking off

00:25:13.560 this is a certified hood classic did we talk about that yet shit i'm out of it that's one

00:25:23.980 of my chat killers that's like when i go into like our community and it's it's a debate that's

00:25:29.520 been going on for 700 comments i go talk about how the competence crisis has impacted whacking off

00:25:36.400 just to even address the comment they have to go down into the fucking mud with you

00:25:46.480 because they they look we're kind of big shots in our own chat

00:25:51.760 in our own chat we're essentially celebrities yeah i can tell i get i i know these guys

00:25:59.380 i know they think i can tell that they want to tell me so bad to go fuck myself

00:26:03.980 but they won't because of the prestige yeah

00:26:07.800 talking just bounding in like the fucking kool-aid man going what sex you guys are talking

00:26:17.220 you guys are talking about sex

00:26:20.440 i dare you to look at go frame by frame through one of these so-called pornos explain to me what

00:26:32.040 the heck is even going on in there what the fuck is it people are having sex i've when have you

00:26:38.800 who's who's what are people talking about sex doesn't even make sense no one's actually sat

00:26:44.500 down and explained to me what what what what this is what's supposed to be yeah

00:26:50.940 do you ever like wake up or do like do something you're just like what the fuck is going on i

00:27:00.900 wanted an analysis now i'm wondering if we actually have a lot of stuff to talk about today

00:27:07.640 um and this might be one of our classic schizophrenic episodes

00:27:12.260 but i kind of want to take a bit of a left turn and go to movie corner

00:27:18.580 all right would you like to go there with me because it's going to be discussed

00:27:30.840 a movie i watched and i think you watched 15 of which one guardians of the galaxy 3 we you know

00:27:39.420 what we watched it watched the entire thing watched that the whole thing just like uh two

00:27:43.580 nights ago actually it's a good call you know what i watched it because you mentioned it in

00:27:48.880 the chat and we went and watched it i'm gonna tell you something i'm star lord

00:27:55.100 I

00:27:57.260 Formed the guardians

00:28:00.500 Met a girl fell in love that girl died, but then she came back

00:28:07.980 Came back a total dick. Oh, please you left out some important information, but that is the gist of it

00:28:21.820 My sacred mission

00:28:25.100 It's to create the perfect society.

00:28:29.500 He didn't want to make things perfect.

00:28:33.480 He just hated things the way they are.

00:28:40.340 Because there was nothing else going on.

00:28:43.220 And full disclosure, I liked the first one.

00:28:48.220 And I liked the second one too.

00:28:50.300 And I'm not a Marvel guy.

00:28:52.520 I don't really give a shit about these comic book movies.

00:28:54.660 and i don't like james gunn but when i saw the second one i thought this is a cool idea like

00:29:02.460 it's just as a standalone sci-fi fantasy story i thought it hit all the right notes it's the

00:29:10.540 characters were enjoyable like it's you know i'm not going to read the second one but i'm like this

00:29:14.120 is a nice enough movie this is a i'd like to see something more like this out there and so i was

00:29:21.640 looking forward to the third one um and i don't really like james gunn as i said james gunn the

00:29:28.440 director you have to you have to say you have to you can't you can't like him yeah because well

00:29:34.160 if you know his story like he started off uh at doing trauma movies and people don't know trauma

00:29:41.060 uh if you're into weird schlocky macabre films these were you know gleeful b movies toxic avenger

00:29:49.280 would be one and it's like a low budget superhero movie with cheesy special effects dumb script

00:29:57.580 surreal on purpose and then there's a couple soft core porn scenes just in the middle there

00:30:03.920 so that's where james gunn got his start and somehow he found himself doing this family

00:30:09.780 blockbuster and he tempered down his motivations he tempt tamped down his inclinations i think for

00:30:18.500 that but then he also does the suicide squad movies um i think at least the second one you

00:30:24.260 had the second suicide squad movie he did the peacemaker show i didn't i didn't hate that by

00:30:29.920 the way the second one it was actually it wasn't horrible it wasn't horrible it was it was confident

00:30:36.340 in what it was trying to be but i guess what i was trying to say was i saw more of that side of

00:30:43.820 him in this movie gardens yes for sure i saw like a not just more brutal not just darker not just

00:30:54.740 more i guess cynical but it's like i think this was a psychopathic movie because i think james

00:31:02.740 gunn is a psychopath i think if you look at the stories he when he's given free reign to tell

00:31:09.180 stories because he has free right now and james gunn right now is in charge of dc he's in charge

00:31:14.980 of all the dc universe um and he's like their main guy right um let's see how that goes but uh i i

00:31:24.260 think if you give him the reins he is a bad person and there's a lot of that was in this movie that

00:31:31.980 i think was like so bitter and cynical and almost spiteful and i don't think that not the stuff that

00:31:39.960 you would think so okay before i keep going now what did you think of the movie i don't want to

00:31:44.360 bury you i liked it i get maybe i'm desensitized i i understood a lot of the critique that you're

00:31:50.540 making about like it is really a brutal movie and they were playing a lot of frightening

00:31:56.120 atrocities for laughs but i guess it's 2023 i don't know i i i couldn't i couldn't not hate

00:32:05.700 i couldn't not like it just based on i love chris pratt and it was funny it's actually a really

00:32:11.500 funny movie so there's a lot of cheesy bullshit in it actually there were a lot of really really

00:32:15.240 bad dialogue like really cheeseball dialogue but it was also really funny so i don't know if

00:32:19.840 there's multiple people and doing that or what let me just say this i found it less funny than

00:32:24.320 the other two i don't remember them i found it less funny the characters were less interesting

00:32:31.020 chris pratt's character so for people who don't know it's a mess of a movie actually because

00:32:36.040 again people don't care about marvel movies but the character of gamora the girl with green skin

00:32:42.000 she died in like one of the other marvel movies and she wasn't supposed to so they had to they

00:32:46.740 had to bring her back but it didn't really make sense so like the the romance subplot that was

00:32:51.980 the heart of that movie isn't there anymore and then like chris pratt star lord he opens the movie

00:32:58.320 as like an alcoholic and then they they forget that immediately that he's like that you think

00:33:04.280 that would be like a plot point that he's like down yeah that was weird yeah um within about 10

00:33:09.460 minutes that's like the entire intro is building up the fact that he's an absolute fall down drunk

00:33:14.700 and then a gunshot is fired and he's back up and then it's then he doesn't really do much heroic

00:33:20.640 stuff in it like and then there's not a lot of really good action scenes or they kick a lot of

00:33:26.400 ads like it's strange like his character isn't as one there's only one action scene essentially

00:33:31.200 like with like a fighting a choreographed fight scene there's only one in the whole film yeah

00:33:34.920 the hallway near the end yeah and that was like so fake too like it almost didn't seem

00:33:40.880 like it was like the worst part of a matrix movie it's like the second matrix movie where neo fights

00:33:46.240 all the agent smiths it was the point that it was a gag like they were playing it as like oh

00:33:50.380 here's your big fight scene as a gag and this is kind of what i was getting at with movies like

00:33:54.880 this and maybe just before i forget it's that these movies are so meta that i don't i don't

00:34:02.260 even call them movies anymore like for example there's a line of dialogue in this movie where

00:34:07.140 they're in the elevator where it sounds like they are referencing the fact that gamora the

00:34:13.260 woman i was talking about died in a previous movie and she's back now and it doesn't make sense like

00:34:18.260 they were winking at the audience and james gunn the script writer was signaling to the audience

00:34:23.260 that look i'm making fun of these marvel executives and i'm like the this is what i don't like about

00:34:30.740 these movies or maybe i do like it and it's just a modern phenomenon where the corporate drama

00:34:37.420 outside of the creation of the movies becomes central to the movies themselves and you see this

00:34:42.200 in fast and furious like we talked about before where people the the audience and the fans of

00:34:48.520 this franchise are aware that there's a feud between vin diesel and the rock and you need to

00:34:53.860 be aware of that feud to appreciate his presence in the movie right like you the backstory to these

00:34:59.740 movies are the board meetings concerning the movies like people the people who like these

00:35:05.600 movies follow movie news and they follow like oh marvel just signed a deal so they could have

00:35:10.840 deadpool in this now and so deadpool is in this week but you only care because you read two months

00:35:16.440 full of stories about contract negotiations so the fact that deadpool shows up seems like a contract

00:35:22.520 victory and you're emotionally invested in that anyway the point i'm saying was like like the

00:35:27.800 the boring studio that occurs outside of a movie is part of the movie itself and that's so weird

00:35:34.520 to me i don't know like and it's that's so normalized now you know so you need to know

00:35:40.360 that james gunn the director this is his last movie and he's like giving the finger star wars

00:35:45.740 is like this too where like they had to bring in fucking joss whedon to the third one and

00:35:50.440 the joke was that the second movie fucked them up anyway i won't go down that road but it's like

00:35:55.100 you need to know about studio drama to appreciate these movies or even understand the references

00:36:00.460 that's one thing but then the other thing was like so it's a story of like rocket raccoon and

00:36:07.800 shows how he was created and then there's a lot of animal torture and that's not even the stuff

00:36:12.540 i'm talking about when i say it's dark and weird like what makes me think james gunn is a psychopath

00:36:20.480 is that when he tries to do heartfelt or serious scenes he doesn't know how to do it and his idea

00:36:28.180 of comedy is just cruel like there's a scene well that's that's what i was saying like this

00:36:32.720 had this had a bunch of like semi not romantic but like it was dealing with relationship issues

00:36:38.020 like between gamora and star lord and some other stuff all of the dialogue in those scenes or the

00:36:42.320 part where like rocket's alive again and everyone's so happy that he's alive all of that dialogue is

00:36:47.520 the most phoned in wooden bullshit you could imagine he doesn't know how human beings feel

00:36:52.500 and there's this there's this fucking scene later on where drax and mantis and if people haven't

00:37:01.940 seen these movies they're going to sound really fucking gay right now i get it but and then um

00:37:06.480 nebula are there and then there's this scene where they're arguing it's like a dark scene and in two

00:37:12.160 seconds they're going to find children in cages but there's this dialogue they're arguing while

00:37:16.940 surrounded by small like naked starving children in cages it's like uh they're inside auschwitz

00:37:24.680 if auschwitz was real and then there's a scene where mantis and who is friends with drax just

00:37:31.540 admits that drax is an idiot and that's played for jokes and he looks very hurt by it he's like

00:37:36.060 you think i'm stupid and she's like she looks at him like very seriously and says yes i think

00:37:41.200 you're stupid and then wipes his memory of it and then he's stupid again i'm like this seems like a

00:37:46.780 needlessly cruel scene that has nothing to do with anything there's no has nothing to do with the

00:37:51.280 plot it was just a scene it does set up her leaving at the end of the film kind of like but

00:37:57.200 not the part where she just like says he's a fucking idiot loser no one respects him that's

00:38:01.680 what i'm saying like like and also later on they find out that drax's true worth is that he has to

00:38:08.420 be a dad like he likes being a dad so i'm like okay like but you're also calling dad stupid like

00:38:13.140 there's like subtext there where he we agree that he's an idiot but he's not supposed to be he's

00:38:19.120 supposed to be like kind of boorish like a klingon but he's not supposed to be fucking retarded and

00:38:24.240 they just made him retarded i'm like you did that on like i don't like that's strange where there's

00:38:28.900 all these like emotional scenes where it's serious but it's played for laughs and then what's played

00:38:33.300 for laughs someone has to die in agony or something and like this is a weird thing to do

00:38:39.360 And that's kind of what makes me think like I wouldn't take kids to see this.

00:38:42.840 And that's the other thing where if I'm not taking my family to see this, because you would have to be insane to watch this with like your young kids.

00:38:50.620 Right.

00:38:51.800 Then who is it for?

00:38:53.540 We were just saying this recently on another review.

00:38:55.940 I can't remember which one, but like these movies are like their kids don't watch movies.

00:38:59.120 These aren't for kids.

00:39:00.260 They are for they're for us.

00:39:02.520 Like the ones that they made 20 years ago were for us when we were, you know, 15.

00:39:07.700 and now we're in our late 30s and they're still for they're still for us but they're using the

00:39:13.080 same model because like it like okay here's the thing that's weird to me is because you

00:39:17.200 technically you could almost bring a kid because of the rating they have some of the most like

00:39:22.680 heavy and garish subjects in this film yeah but they don't show any of it it's always off screen

00:39:28.060 they have animal torture they have child torture they have like cutting people's bodies up they

00:39:33.420 have death camps they have annihilation of entire races and they do actually show there's a genocide

00:39:38.920 of like families getting blown up there's a nuclear genocide and there is no happy ending

00:39:44.600 they just all die and it's played for laughs and all of it's played for laughs like even the little

00:39:49.900 children locked in cages have like a goofball language that they can only say goo goo or some

00:39:54.640 stupid thing like that it's like they're children in cages in rags in rags what the fuck man

00:40:00.640 yeah and then there's like weird like things that are just lazy so there's kind of a plot line where

00:40:06.860 they're trying to tell the kids they're trying to instruct these kids they're going to try and

00:40:10.080 break them out and they don't speak their language because they're actually genetically engineered

00:40:13.480 so i have this genetically engineered language supposedly that no one can speak because

00:40:17.400 their translators don't work and then there's like an emotional scene and it turns out drax

00:40:21.920 can speak their language and then that's kind of a joke it's like why don't you say you could speak

00:40:26.600 his language and he said you never asked i'm like but wait literally but wait why would he be able

00:40:30.800 to speak that it's it's a made of genetically engineered and i'm like that's that right there

00:40:34.880 is lazy script writing and another thing like they're having a space fight at the end with

00:40:40.180 spaceships and robots and everything and then they're the windshield not about the windshield

00:40:45.280 but the whatever screen of their ship gets shattered and then they're just still flying

00:40:50.200 like it's a plane like the air is not getting sucked out yeah that happens like i noticed that

00:40:54.340 that happens three times and i'm like okay you can't look any suspension of disbelief talking

00:41:01.140 raccoon gray people i get it but i'm like the one thing you're supposed everyone knows is you

00:41:07.340 can't fucking breathe in space because if you can then why anything pratt almost dies at the end

00:41:13.580 because he gets thrown into space yeah right he starts dying because he's in space and he can't

00:41:17.680 breathe he's like okay so and then also also when he's dying he does they do this thing where he

00:41:22.700 also bloats up in a really horrific way yes like they could have done unnecessarily horrific like

00:41:28.640 it's like body horror yeah there's like a little body horror i'm in like what like these little

00:41:33.920 decisions were like if i were a kid seeing that that would stick with me my whole life

00:41:38.320 yeah because it's not elegantly done in any sense anyway little shit like that and i keep coming

00:41:43.780 back to like so this isn't for families this is for millennials and again this is something we

00:41:49.540 come back to with these movies but i'm like this this more than any other movie was like just

00:41:54.960 supposed to be like punishing and dark and like not not enjoyable however i did like the villain

00:42:01.060 i suppose i think you know the villain in this like the villain oh i like the performance like

00:42:06.020 i liked the like that villain in that movie seemed villainous in a way that no other villain did and

00:42:13.300 he was you know he he's a like a a science he's like the height of a secular liberal gone mad

00:42:20.300 like he's he's got that line where someone like do you think you're god it just says like god

00:42:25.600 does black yeah he's a black secular liberal trying to create a utopia yeah trying to create

00:42:30.160 utopia and just using genetic experiments and then just okay mad scientist classic mad scientist

00:42:36.480 and maybe he's chewing the scenery he's very clearly a black actor who wants to be shakespearean

00:42:43.280 and so he's got a very shakes theater guy approach to the character but i'm like well that's a

00:42:48.060 terrible actor you do not like him okay but me to me i'm like well that's better than like

00:42:53.880 like any of the other fuckers i've seen in these movies at least he's at least for a marvel film

00:43:01.500 it was good but you did not you you're taking the opposite approach you didn't like his his

00:43:05.680 performance at all he was over the over the top he i will agree i literally i literally just watch

00:43:11.520 these movies if this was like a serialized if this was a show even like a kid's show i would

00:43:17.080 watch it just for chris pratt and and the raccoon and drax like i would just watch chris pratt and

00:43:24.980 what's his name the fucking dave bautista just fucking around in a car getting coffee i would

00:43:29.420 watch that so like i i it's not a good movie i'm sorry i'm not trying to recommend this movie i

00:43:35.760 just like uh i just like chris pratt i don't know yeah that's like we're just chris pratt fans here

00:43:40.720 we like the terminal list and we like oh man that's so good i'll watch that again i might

00:43:45.700 watch that again i'm just going back and watch i was watching true detective season one again

00:43:50.640 i forgot how much it drags in the middle but you know whatever like there's a point where the

00:43:55.420 matthew mcconaughey little monologues do just it's it's for the sake of being there but anyway that

00:44:01.400 that's um that's all i wanted to say about guardians of the galaxy and i think this leads

00:44:07.680 into our next thing because i have an announcement to make we have our first sponsor

00:44:14.080 can i just say this can i just say this really okay tell me we have our first sponsor oh my god

00:44:24.740 so i need you to turn off the sass for a second i need you to sorry sorry i need you to it's not

00:44:36.000 like your aunt is it no the this is a no flex zone a no horseplay air i'm muted i'm muted no

00:44:44.660 don't meet your son don't leave me here please please we actually uh we have we're partnered

00:44:53.380 with a uh a website on enterprise from our scene i did not prepare for this this is not a script

00:45:02.200 this is

00:45:03.640 this is something

00:45:04.660 that we're going to

00:45:05.060 and also to let people know

00:45:06.260 that we are

00:45:06.900 open to this

00:45:08.460 you know

00:45:08.880 we will

00:45:09.340 if you

00:45:09.780 if you'd like

00:45:10.920 a spot on the show

00:45:12.480 we will review

00:45:13.480 your thing

00:45:14.300 in real time

00:45:15.940 as men

00:45:16.460 so it's

00:45:17.980 Zeitgeist Reviews

00:45:20.220 at

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00:45:22.360 dot com

00:45:22.740 you can even pull that up

00:45:23.480 if you want to

00:45:24.080 look at what I'm looking at

00:45:25.280 so

00:45:26.340 this is related

00:45:27.360 to what we were talking about

00:45:28.260 because it's a movie review site

00:45:29.720 from our side

00:45:31.420 of the pond

00:45:32.060 of sort of a dissident right anti-woke anti-corporate uh games too and games and so what

00:45:41.800 they do is like imdb and they actually source some of the reviews from other websites but

00:45:47.820 what they try to do is to give you the skinny on the movies and rate them based on you know

00:45:55.160 criteria that people like us might care about so you know for example you go to movies here

00:46:01.500 i'm just gonna pull one up i was looking at one but you know just let's take this one here sound

00:46:06.980 of freedom which is actually a movie i think i want to see you're about sound of freedom right

00:46:11.320 yeah it's about child trafficking right apparently it's a true story but i'm reading that it's

00:46:16.920 several true stories patched together anyway so you go in here and you know for the enterprising

00:46:24.040 content viewer you're probably thinking oh my god i don't want to be watching all kinds of

00:46:29.180 secretly gay things or objectively gay things how would i know ahead of time how woke a movie is

00:46:37.520 so you go here you go to this site you go to zeitgeistreviews.com you get a little review

00:46:42.760 here what it's about and they also rank it um it gives you the box office what it makes but then

00:46:47.960 there's also here's a little icon um the little diversity score and it ranks a movie based on

00:46:54.620 what percentage of the cast are female or diverse so for example sound of freedom 17 of the stars

00:47:03.000 and main cast are female 44 of the stars are diverse and it breaks it down racially

00:47:09.600 so white 55 latino 33 but in the case of this film that's probably because of the subject matter

00:47:17.240 because it deals a lot with like it's an international you know what i mean but then

00:47:21.680 there's also a family friendly score so it ranks it what's the level of nudity what's the level of

00:47:26.420 violence profanity alcohol is it frightening so severe violence in the case of sound of freedom

00:47:31.940 everything else moderate i want to know more about the moderate nudity in this i think if

00:47:37.300 there's one thing i think i would like to see if i can give a note this is like this has never been

00:47:43.520 done and it might take a team of people but i want to break down an intense matrix of the type

00:47:50.560 of nudity are we talking male nudity are we talking female nudity let's break it down by

00:47:54.920 race let's take make down by body type are we talking about fat unity you were saying earlier

00:47:59.340 we got to do porn review we're going to go frame by frame in a bunch of classic classic porn films

00:48:04.280 and analyze them and provide that as a white paper that is to prove that sex exists okay i'm not

00:48:10.800 convinced that sex exists i challenge people to take me frame by frame by you know these pornos

00:48:18.620 that everyone's talking about says the man with an infant son it proved to me to explain what the

00:48:24.060 heck is even going on because and also in this sense on zeitgeist reviews the types of nudity

00:48:32.400 fat nudity is a form of violence

00:48:35.620 um then there's uh ron tomato score and then it's actually got a thing here if it recommends that

00:48:44.060 you pay to watch it to pay to support is this a movie they should support with your consumer bucks

00:48:49.760 and then there's a review here from one of their staff so you get a lot of stuff in here

00:48:55.660 and there's one part here i found interesting um there's even a more breakdown cast demographics

00:49:02.560 so you look up here it has the stars star jim cavizio how do you say that in cavizio did he

00:49:11.900 played jesus christ in that movie about jesus christ with mel gibson the passion of the christ

00:49:18.800 the passion of the jesus christ no i didn't see that jim c white male boom second star

00:49:27.480 mira sorvino white female boom uh kurt fuller white male it's telling you the race of all the

00:49:34.600 people involved and showing you their face as evidence he did play jesus by the way i just

00:49:40.220 looked it up he did yeah he was jesus jesus movie ding ding fucking ding

00:49:45.500 yeah you got him you got the movie guys and you got the movie heads i'm a movie head

00:49:54.760 then there's a whole uh breakdown of the representation um like breaks it down by

00:50:00.580 what are the demographics portrayed in here what are similar movies is the give me the family

00:50:05.600 friendly breakdown how many stars would you show this to your family show this to your children

00:50:10.040 show to which of your families your first second family your second family your third family

00:50:14.200 there's people you know a lot of families out there and not every movie is made for every one

00:50:20.300 of your families because if you're a man you're doing it right you're you should be having families

00:50:25.940 that are even if they're racially similar diverse enough in tone and tenor like your third family

00:50:33.320 that you start should have nothing in common with your first family like if you have let's say you've

00:50:38.460 got how many kids 25 kids if any of those kids have the same hobbies you're fucked it's kind of

00:50:46.600 over i gotta i gotta break you from this bit for a sec because i'm now diving into the the cast

00:50:52.160 demographics and reputation tabs on this website on zeitgeist reviews and it's like it's like big

00:50:58.480 data meets imdb but it's right wing it's crazy how much information like you don't even have to

00:51:03.880 watch the movie just go on this site and just just look at the fucking data it's crazy there's a lot

00:51:09.660 of data on here i was actually going through it like just for the show i'm like jesus christ

00:51:13.280 that's cool i got a pie graph here there's a pie graph there's a pie graph of races on the movie

00:51:20.780 it's great i would if if this if you're a movie head like me and you want to know what you're

00:51:27.800 getting into before it moves because a lot of people don't have the what do you call this the

00:51:32.440 drive for suffering that i do where you just throw something on who would who wants to be

00:51:37.640 hoodwinked who wants to be lambasted by their films get the get the full story here

00:51:44.120 at zeitgeistreviews.com i i i'd buy that for a dollar to know what i should buy for a dollar

00:51:51.400 how about that yeah there you go that's fair what's another good one what what could be a slogan

00:51:57.340 for this how about okay now this is based on a true story ah i don't know about hmm you see

00:52:08.720 where i'm going i didn't get there yeah that would work that would work written because you

00:52:14.120 could be based comma on a true story you know all good jokes need to be bolded and italicized

00:52:19.540 yes the specific word all the best jokes have to have different fonts in them when you write

00:52:27.040 them down so so if people anyone else out there with a business would like the similar treatment

00:52:34.980 um let us know drop us a line at bloodsalloy at protonmail.com i was going to do this whole

00:52:43.320 tangent on aliens but i don't think i will because i have something some something far

00:52:49.420 more interesting that i've been plugging away at over the past few days and i think

00:52:54.020 it's it's urgent it's it's intense in its urgency but actually before i get to that let me just

00:53:00.860 mention um next week uh i believe next week what i'm hoping on wednesday when we actually record

00:53:10.000 this uh show uh wednesday evening we're going to be having our first live stream um and i believe

00:53:18.140 if all the conversations we've had are finalized.

00:53:21.980 I'm pretty sure it's going to be on YouTube.

00:53:24.020 I just got access to our YouTube page again.

00:53:26.700 So we're going to be streaming it on YouTube.

00:53:29.740 So look up Blood Satellite Clips.

00:53:31.780 Go like and subscribe to that.

00:53:34.440 And the live stream is going to be reviewing the submissions

00:53:37.840 for the Blood Satellite Meme Contest,

00:53:40.040 which ended at the end of June.

00:53:42.540 And, you know, if destiny was kind,

00:53:45.080 destiny the concept not the guy um destiny was kind of we would have done this earlier

00:53:52.280 um it's we're leaving it kind of late that's on me i've been trying to figure out how to do the

00:53:57.320 live stream well enough and we got to test it and we were going to do an odyssey originally but

00:54:02.520 odyssey is not great for live streaming if you can if you can do it on youtube it's probably

00:54:07.580 better to do it on there just so i don't need all this lag and bullshit on there i was looking up

00:54:13.300 solutions to do a bunch of places at once i think that's too much for our first one i've never

00:54:17.500 done this before so first live stream judas and me going to be reviewing all of the submissions

00:54:25.260 will be choosing the winner and the winner is going to get the prize and i'll be in contact

00:54:29.720 with them so tune in because it might go horribly wrong horribly wrong or horribly right you're

00:54:38.600 going to want to be there um and that that will probably eat up half an hour to 45 minutes of our

00:54:47.060 time and for the rest of it we'll just see where the it fucking takes us i need to figure out how

00:54:52.660 i'm doing sound effects though soundboard sound but i need to figure out how to hook that in

00:54:58.060 in such a way where it's audible to everyone i need some kind of because i'm using obs i need

00:55:04.000 to like hook it up into that and how i can use it and how i can have a button that prevents you

00:55:08.120 from using do you think you're ready i'm serious do you get ready for that responsibility no i'm

00:55:15.280 sorry no you have to understand you've never seen it there's so many sound drops i know i know i

00:55:22.740 know i gotta have a separate like a midi board with little stickers representing each sound on

00:55:27.740 it so that i can remember no joke there's like 120 sound effects in our library um some that we use

00:55:34.060 a lot. Some we've only used once

00:55:36.100 but I keep around because I'm going to use this again

00:55:37.960 and just never do but it's there.

00:55:40.320 A lot of offensive ones that we've

00:55:42.140 never used.

00:55:43.800 I've got that one of Michael Richards

00:55:46.020 screaming the n-word

00:55:47.920 and

00:55:50.000 I just don't know where to use it.

00:55:52.140 The opportunity never reveals itself.

00:55:54.220 Can we just use it right at the end of the YouTube

00:55:56.060 stream?

00:55:58.340 He's a nigger! He's a nigger!

00:56:00.960 Gotta have its day.

00:56:03.000 I'll figure that out.

00:56:03.900 Anyway, it'll be fun.

00:56:05.520 I'm going to put it up on the Telegram page.

00:56:07.340 I'm going to put it up on Twitter.

00:56:09.500 I'm on Twitter, at Legally Ironic.

00:56:11.700 Follow me there.

00:56:12.560 Anyway, so that's that.

00:56:14.160 That's all.

00:56:15.100 People call that housekeeping.

00:56:16.420 I don't like calling it housekeeping, but...

00:56:18.780 That's what it is, though.

00:56:20.140 Is it?

00:56:21.520 Yeah, it's housekeeping.

00:56:22.660 There has to be another name for giving information.

00:56:27.360 I don't know.

00:56:28.380 You don't know?

00:56:30.160 It's housekeeping.

00:56:30.720 It's not just language.

00:56:32.140 You can't dislike the language.

00:56:33.900 just that's the that's what it is it's housekeeping i i challenge you we're we're two men there has

00:56:41.440 to be another term for giving information like what you just you just don't as a man want to

00:56:46.260 be doing the housekeeping i think that's what it is yeah is this i have not undergone the required

00:56:52.980 ego death yeah yeah it's just taking out the trash folks i'm just uh i'm just cleaning the

00:57:00.820 toilet is all i'm doing here we're gonna change it's no longer called housekeeping it's called

00:57:05.120 bringing home the bacon that's what it is now that segment was me bringing home the bacon see

00:57:10.220 look there you go we put our heads together we can do anything so this is brought up on the chat i

00:57:16.080 think you you've seen it there's been a huge discussion in our chat and elsewhere about

00:57:21.920 like trad wives or trad girls or you know this even touches on that lauren southern segment we

00:57:29.860 did which the famous segment bitch watch bitch watch um about how she ended that she ended that

00:57:42.540 segment almost with a plea for her friends to get divorces uh because she was saying a lot of these

00:57:49.620 traditionally minded women these homemakers it's conservative women they're living miserable lives

00:57:56.540 and that they should, you know, look elsewhere.

00:57:59.020 In so many words, she said this.

00:58:00.960 So there's a couple of things that I came across.

00:58:04.260 And the first was a tweet by Michael Foster.

00:58:11.180 Actually, there was another tweet by this place called the Bible Bash podcast.

00:58:17.480 And it was, they're showing a bunch of images of these conservative women's kitchens

00:58:24.700 and these homemakers stay at home mom's kitchens and their kitchens are just filthy

00:58:28.420 absolutely just garbage pots everywhere like trash everywhere mine's pretty bad well that's

00:58:35.740 a problem do your fucking dishes it's not like but it's always like i'm so overwhelmed oh i don't

00:58:42.980 know how to do anything and then the argument was that there's something that happened even

00:58:48.040 in conservative and traditional women's minds

00:58:51.520 where homemaking has never been easier,

00:58:55.260 but it seems that homes have never been filthier.

00:58:58.720 You know what I mean?

00:58:59.320 And even women who have all the time in the world to do it,

00:59:01.620 they seem to be even more overwhelmed.

00:59:03.900 And then there's discussion of SSRIs

00:59:06.200 and medications that are making women more lazy.

00:59:09.300 Then there's discussions of just not feeling

00:59:12.480 that they should have to.

00:59:13.320 There's all these, a cluster of reasons why they're doing it.

00:59:16.060 this is very complicated yeah so then but then that kind of led to this tweet and then they were

00:59:22.720 showing photos of all these messy kitchens whatever and then there's this week okay michael

00:59:26.280 foster he says i'm just going to read it here is a trend that i'm seeing and i don't hear anyone

00:59:32.000 else talking about it 40 year old wives and mothers of large think over six kids conservative

00:59:39.300 christian families often homeschooling families suddenly engage in multiple affairs often one

00:59:45.780 nightstands divorcing their husbands and ultimately abandoning their family for a quote chance at a

00:59:51.380 happy life and i was reminded recently of who was it lauren bobbert yeah representative lauren

01:00:00.360 bobert from colorado one of these conservative trad women you know faith family country all of

01:00:09.140 that you know a nice enough looking woman um just out of the blue divorces her husband

01:00:15.740 Big news.

01:00:17.220 Covering Colorado and the Western Slope,

01:00:19.580 that is where U.S. Representative Lauren Boebert has filed for divorce.

01:00:23.040 Boebert represents the 3rd Congressional District in the House of Representatives.

01:00:26.700 She filed a petition for divorce from Jason Boebert last month.

01:00:30.220 Jason Boebert told the Daily Beast via text message that the divorce is sad.

01:00:34.140 I did not expect this.

01:00:35.640 I love her with every bit of my heart.

01:00:38.020 She has been my soulmate, and she is the mother of my children.

01:00:40.820 um and everyone's like what why is it all these like faith and family first women like it would

01:00:47.100 never occur to you to divorce your husband but then all these democrats like when's the last

01:00:51.880 time you heard of like a democrat woman divorcing her husband it almost seems to disproportionately

01:00:56.220 happen to conservative women and you're seeing like they have affairs or they have some sort

01:01:02.460 of sexual life that is not what you think it is um and then back glad you brought up lauren

01:01:08.600 boebert but i'll put my comment afterwards be okay oh no you can say now before i forget

01:01:13.080 this to me the underpinning of this entire thing is calling these women conservative or trad in the

01:01:19.120 first place as if there we are conservative or trad right so lauren boebert is a great example

01:01:24.280 of a 45 year old busted hoe who tries to look like she's 19 tight ass jeans and big lipstick

01:01:30.520 and she's playing a part like if she was conservative she wouldn't be in politics

01:01:36.680 because women don't belong there.

01:01:38.400 You know what I mean?

01:01:39.080 Like why the,

01:01:39.780 there's no such thing

01:01:40.820 as a conservative female politician.

01:01:42.820 It's an,

01:01:43.840 you see what I'm saying?

01:01:45.380 Let me just read her Twitter bio here.

01:01:48.120 Lauren Bubba for Congress account,

01:01:49.780 Congresswoman Bubba,

01:01:50.800 professional rhino hunter,

01:01:53.080 mom raising my four boys to be men,

01:01:55.760 all capitals,

01:01:56.580 before liberals teach them to be women.

01:02:00.200 Like that's perfect little soundbite there.

01:02:02.960 Like the loony left.

01:02:04.380 You can just get chat GPT to write this entire bitch's personality right out.

01:02:09.220 Get this woman away from the microphone, please.

01:02:11.680 Because other than this, other than this fandom she's trying to appeal to, what is she?

01:02:18.520 Would you say she's smart?

01:02:20.040 Would you say she's cool?

01:02:21.080 Would you say she's well-read?

01:02:23.120 She's a whore.

01:02:23.900 She's got big, big fake tits.

01:02:26.840 She's a mom in tight jeans.

01:02:30.120 And for some reason, a lot of guys are fixed by this.

01:02:32.600 extremely tight jeans and very revealing outfit and big fake tits and thousand dollar haircut

01:02:38.320 and up there shaking it around for camera as a quote-unquote politician i don't know what's

01:02:43.440 more embarrassing the fact that we let whores become politicians or the fact that we let women

01:02:48.180 even attempt this in the first place and or that we car that we let them look it'd be it would be

01:02:52.860 consistent if they were democrats but they're fucking conservatives like come on and then she

01:02:58.340 she leaves her husband and maybe that's what's happening here in this tweet

01:03:01.760 that I'm reading.

01:03:02.560 So,

01:03:03.000 uh,

01:03:03.560 back to the tweet,

01:03:04.500 he says,

01:03:04.740 I've had,

01:03:05.160 had easily 30 different men reach out to me about this exact scenario.

01:03:10.540 Obviously I don't know them personally.

01:03:12.520 Uh,

01:03:12.920 but the ones I do know between eight and nine were good men.

01:03:16.600 Were they perfect?

01:03:17.820 No.

01:03:18.320 Were they faithful,

01:03:19.100 hardworking,

01:03:19.680 decent husbands and fathers?

01:03:20.720 Yes.

01:03:21.660 So what's behind the trend?

01:03:22.840 It's multifactored.

01:03:24.400 I can't cover them all,

01:03:25.500 but here's a brief sketch of what I think is going on.

01:03:27.720 also here's the thing like i always hear this line when it's brought to men it's like

01:03:31.840 were the men perfect no i want to unpack what perfect means because i never heard them say

01:03:37.560 you never say that about a woman like were they perfect no that's like like like what do the when

01:03:43.200 women will complain about the men not being perfect how do women define perfect how do men

01:03:47.740 define perfect like what did these men actually do wrong you know i mean if they were abusive

01:03:52.860 sure if they were drunk too much in front of the kids but if it was just that they weren't

01:03:58.100 interesting and that's how they're defining perfect you know what i mean so it it defends

01:04:02.100 it depends on this it depends on the speaker right because a woman will say you're not perfect

01:04:05.920 as a barb to say like you're essentially shit like it's a passive aggressive thing to say

01:04:10.160 but i think in this case actually the reason he's saying they're not perfect but you say they're not

01:04:14.980 perfect but they're saying he is effectively perfect yeah we can't say we can't say he's

01:04:20.460 perfect but the sort of things you could criticize these men for are so petty that for all intents

01:04:25.500 and purposes they are blameless right that's what to me there's a lot of context when you say

01:04:30.340 are they perfect no but for all intents and purposes they are good husbands so so i want to

01:04:37.380 go through this point by point i don't want to read the entire thing because it's actually quite

01:04:41.200 long but i want to get your i'll start the first one then i'll get your read on this so the first

01:04:46.860 thing that's happening here he says i think these women are worn thin by the difficulty of the life

01:04:51.720 they've chosen it's easy for the mother of a large family to feel as if their family has usurped any

01:04:57.000 sense of personal identity she feels like a nobody the work of a mother is physically and emotionally

01:05:02.740 taxing it can exacerbate mental health issues people especially unhappy people often start to

01:05:11.060 dream about what could have been um accurate um overall accurate yeah i will say i will say however

01:05:19.380 that a lot of the individuals not even just women but men too they think of what could have been if

01:05:26.960 i didn't have kids usually the answer is not much and i don't want to sound rude here but there's

01:05:34.120 many people listening who have mothers and fathers and as an adult you look at your mother and father

01:05:40.240 with different eyes you look at them as just a guy or a gal that you know and you might be able

01:05:46.000 to look at them and say you know what you were never really destined for greatness you're a good

01:05:50.680 man you're a good woman you weren't gonna build a bridge if you if you didn't have kids you might

01:05:57.780 have become a crackhead you might like you were you're not smart you're not a smart person and

01:06:03.100 you kind of you might have just stayed a midwit forever but as some people are just i've known

01:06:09.180 like friends of mine who they're like the best mothers and i i know because i knew them in

01:06:14.360 college i'm like you're fucking dumb and you're kind of boring there's a lot of dumb boring women

01:06:20.600 who become mothers and that actually is your personality not all of them but there are a lot

01:06:25.880 of women out there who fit motherhood because they actually don't have any other opinions beliefs

01:06:33.200 yeah you know what women are great at being moms it's like it's almost natural to them

01:06:39.140 like across the spectrum they're actually pretty good at it even the dumb ones are quite good at

01:06:44.000 being mothers isn't that weird yeah so a lot of this like grass is greener thing it's just an

01:06:49.260 illusion for guys too like a lot there's a lot of guys out there and i respect them for that like

01:06:54.580 your thing is being a used car salesman that's what you're fucking good at and you probably

01:06:59.280 you can go go try and write my policy with life is if you were going to do anything you would be

01:07:05.660 doing it now if you were going to become a great novelist you would have written a novel by now

01:07:10.680 it's not something that you gave up but there's so many people who think they gave up on their

01:07:16.180 artistic endeavors because they had a family no you can find the time to fucking paint it's just

01:07:21.020 you're not a painter what you idealize is the status what you idealize is you you as a painter

01:07:28.940 but you you were never destined or predetermined or whatever you didn't have it in you to put in

01:07:35.280 the you know i don't like this way of saying about like the 10 000 hours to become good at

01:07:39.800 painting i was like that with drawing you know i was a kid who drew in high school i actually never

01:07:46.140 got good at it i never got good at sketching and i'm like i i didn't give up on it because i had

01:07:53.080 to get a job like no i was i could have gotten good at it maybe but like it's grueling getting

01:07:58.500 good at anything is grueling and unless a lot of the people who think they gave up on their dreams

01:08:03.700 their personality was never equipped to do the the work to become good it's like saying like

01:08:11.480 oh man fuck you know if i wasn't an it guy i would love to be a weightlifter i'd love to be

01:08:17.300 like a really fit guy you could do that now it's just you're not going to and it takes a long time

01:08:23.100 it's going to take you years well you know with fitness is one of the ones that you you kind of

01:08:28.180 can but like you can't quit and like become you can't become an astronaut you know yeah or you

01:08:34.100 can't go you you really can't do at 45 is go and recapture your mid-20s and like you're gonna go

01:08:41.120 and meet a bunch of people in in in like fucking ibiza and do lsd like you're not going to enjoy

01:08:47.940 that the way that you think i was thinking about that the other day once i started thinking about

01:08:51.420 what it takes to be an astronaut

01:08:52.860 that you need, like, I don't know what it is

01:08:55.480 like now, it seems like they kind of let anyone

01:08:57.600 be an astronaut, but like

01:08:59.320 astronaut, when you're thinking the Neil Armstrongs of the world

01:09:01.660 the training it takes, and you don't

01:09:03.600 even need to believe in the moon landing

01:09:04.880 just believe in what it took to be an astronaut

01:09:07.820 and be on that sound

01:09:09.560 stage, whatever, but you had to

01:09:11.060 first of all, you had to be fit, you had to have

01:09:13.300 20-20 vision, can't wear glasses

01:09:15.240 okay, you need to be a

01:09:17.580 fighter pilot, and then you need to be

01:09:19.820 not just a fighter pilot but like an ex-pilot or whatever and then you also guys that the guys

01:09:24.860 that would like knock themselves out doing mach 9 and have to have somebody catch the jet or they

01:09:30.040 explode and then laugh about it after then you you need to have a master's in engineering and a phd

01:09:35.320 in physics and then you also need to be fit you need to train like you're a soldier and i was

01:09:41.040 thinking about i started laughing i'm like there's no one who was not gonna be a astronaut more than

01:09:46.860 me like you need to prepare for that at age 10 right like i'm laughing at like how i was how

01:09:54.100 how never i was ever going to become an astronaut well the chinese knows this and know this and this

01:10:00.900 is why they put their kids in like factories right like if you want to win the olympics you

01:10:04.960 need to get five-year-olds and start training them and don't let them go to school just train

01:10:08.980 them to like do long jump right because like realistically like they're being honest about it

01:10:14.020 You shouldn't be telling kids you can do anything.

01:10:17.080 You can't do anything.

01:10:17.960 There's going to be something you're good at.

01:10:19.780 The best bet is to figure that out and then fucking do it.

01:10:22.160 We used to torture our own kids in this country.

01:10:27.840 All right.

01:10:28.560 So let's go back to the second thing.

01:10:30.840 We're talking about busted hoes.

01:10:32.080 Here we go.

01:10:32.420 Talking about busted hoes.

01:10:33.300 They see the possibility of the happy life that they dreamed or now dream about through social media.

01:10:41.960 they want to feel free and alive again they get involved in online communities and developed

01:10:48.800 quote-unquote friendships these curated digital were so i'm reading this like a fucking asshole

01:10:55.020 this curated digital world makes them feel good they get praise encouragement etc maybe they think

01:11:00.560 i can still live the life i always desired maybe i can get unstuck this kind of ties in with the

01:11:06.920 next one so i'm going to bundle them together they start to share their dissatisfaction with

01:11:10.820 their life within these communities some of it is legit but most of it is one-sided and slanted

01:11:16.620 due to their discontent however those in these online communities don't push back on them and

01:11:21.920 encourage them to do what it takes to be happy many of these people will actively encourage

01:11:26.380 infidelity and divorce so they get in these communities of other fucking busted hoes who say

01:11:32.940 you know you're worth it you know and so they're encouraged to either get a divorce or

01:11:39.700 uh it sounds like encourage them to cheat because like that's safer for them it's like you know

01:11:46.960 pursue your bliss live laugh love you don't want to get a divorce you want to fuck a hispanic yoga

01:11:53.280 teacher so just do that because getting a divorce would involve a lot of messy stuff

01:11:58.020 and take someone else's you know feelings into mind it's like just cheat and see what happens

01:12:04.180 and usually just destroys everything um so so what do you think about that does i guess have

01:12:10.760 you seen this or like this is it's it's news to me but i i i believe it right i've seen it i've

01:12:18.400 seen i mean you know they call me judas one of the reasons that i left the church is we saw this

01:12:23.380 pattern all over look i mean i won't i won't say that it's the same thing but to some minor extent

01:12:29.980 my own parents divorce was something like this and a lot of people that i know in in mainstream

01:12:35.020 protestant churches went through this and it's one of the reasons that although i consider myself

01:12:38.740 a christian i have not attended a mainstream protestant church in 15 years and i won't i

01:12:42.960 never will again and it's for it's this exact shit it's the joinerism of people late to the

01:12:48.980 game it's kind of like it's like like spent hoes who want to find a beta cuck to pay for their

01:12:53.140 fucking half black children right it's it's people that are looking for fulfillment try to become

01:12:59.740 conservatives but they won't give up the things that violate the principles that they were raised

01:13:05.120 with so for example women who want to be republican quote-unquote dissident you know

01:13:11.820 representatives of the people and they want to fly the gadsden flag but you're a woman

01:13:15.900 in politics if you were actually one of us you wouldn't be in politics you would be at home

01:13:22.040 doing the dishes you'd be supporting your husband in politics that's so mean right but like really

01:13:28.000 you know like and that isn't a that isn't a a dish on women it's that women have a have the most

01:13:34.920 i i actually do believe the most important role the reason that we send men to war and not women

01:13:39.520 aside from men being stronger is that you can kill almost all the men in a society and the

01:13:44.240 civilization will survive but women are necessary for the family but that doesn't matter to us

01:13:49.640 apparently now because we have women in politics and women in business and women in leadership and

01:13:53.720 we don't have women at home and you have this where you take women who aren't really true

01:13:58.540 conservatives and they're playing mother and it's really tragic that they do have six kids and they

01:14:04.220 do try to homeschool their kids but they're still connected they still want to play politics they

01:14:08.700 still want to be in leadership roles they still want to like go out for tequila on saturdays with

01:14:13.820 all their old bitch friends from college like it you can't you can't have one foot in the door and

01:14:19.660 one foot out and one thing just to you know give the ladies because there's actually quite a few

01:14:24.800 women who listen to the show being a single being a mom eventually a single mom you know but being

01:14:31.240 a mother to even one kid is very very difficult if you're doing it right and there's a lot of

01:14:37.500 mothers who don't do it right a lot of parents don't do it right but if you are actually investing

01:14:41.780 in the development of your child and their well-being and like for example like what my

01:14:47.340 wife does like um we we breastfeed we she breastfeeds um which is like that's pretty

01:14:56.720 fucking demanding like it's it's really like physically exhausting there's all kinds of

01:15:01.380 health things that happen with that it's very time consuming you can she's but she tries to

01:15:06.800 other stuff while she's doing it but you really can't um or it is very very difficult like if

01:15:11.940 you're doing motherhood right it's it's very time consuming while they are toddlers and whatnot you

01:15:18.640 know if you're doing it right there's a lot you could do but i've noticed a lot of women in my

01:15:24.360 generation they will say this is hard this is really hard like they're surprised and you know

01:15:32.780 i'm not a mother obviously i'm just a father i didn't i didn't carry the fucking thing but i'm

01:15:36.960 like i knew going in it would be hard there seems to be a lot of women out there who think it's

01:15:43.360 going to be easy and i don't know where they're getting this idea from is it from their mother

01:15:47.560 is it from the media i don't know what it is because but there's a lot of women who seem to

01:15:51.440 be blindsided by how all-encompassing and how difficult it is to be a mother but the thing is

01:15:57.740 that's what makes it good like anything that's good in life is difficult and you know what you're

01:16:02.980 almost doing it right now now that i'm thinking of it it's a weird it's almost like a fuck how do

01:16:08.000 you explain this it's the way that we represent it so like we're trying to represent it as a moral

01:16:13.640 good as a principled thing and we're using examples all the time talking about you know on the one

01:16:18.860 hand you've got the liberal woman whose eggs have all dried up and she's going to kill herself

01:16:22.640 because she never formed a family but then you have this woman of the same age who does have four

01:16:27.300 kids and she's happy as pie. She's just thrilled and nothing could be better. And, you know, you

01:16:33.780 know, birds are flying around her head and it's lovely. Right. And that isn't, it's not like the,

01:16:41.600 the, the image of that happy, perfect woman. If you transmit that to women who are on the outside

01:16:48.120 of that system, they are not going to adopt conservative principles. They just want that.

01:16:53.120 They just want to wear a summer dress and, and hold babies. Right. But what we're, what we,

01:16:59.600 what we're all we're actually saying is no, it's fucking awful. You're going to be covered in baby

01:17:04.720 shit and dried Play-Doh under your toenails for years. And it's bad. It's fucking bad. Man,

01:17:11.160 my wife's looking at me right now. Yeah. She's, she's, she's pounding the scotch. It is bad.

01:17:16.600 But the point is, is if you have principles, you're the, what gives you joy is at the end

01:17:22.900 of the day when you go to bed, as awful as that day was, you did a thing that you can be proud of

01:17:28.240 because it's our culture and our principle and our belief that says that this is the thing that we

01:17:32.600 ought to be doing, right? That's where the joy comes from. It's not from the joy of holding a

01:17:37.500 cuddly baby, although we do that every day and it's nice, but like there's a shit ton of hard

01:17:42.380 work and that never goes away. So yeah, like I'm saying earlier about joiners, you have women that

01:17:48.280 we're sold on this like lauren southern i think is a good example or probably bobert we're sold

01:17:53.320 on this version of conservatism as oh my goodness i get to live on a big homestead farm and have all

01:17:58.800 of these lovely children and we can all dance and have pictures like they're they think they're

01:18:02.040 going to be in a hallmark movie maybe hallmark movies are the the root of all this the rest of

01:18:06.840 your life a large amount of it is going to be hard physical labor and dealing with irritable

01:18:13.100 children and baby shit and the joy that you get is not from being in a fucking hallmark movie it's

01:18:19.020 the joy of raising children and if you don't actually get joy from raising children by all

01:18:24.600 means don't have a family because your bloodline should die out hopefully hopefully we don't want

01:18:30.060 people like you to have children please don't yeah because to me like having had one child at

01:18:36.940 least you know i look at this child i'm like this is it is a lot of work but it's a lot of work but

01:18:43.780 it's really it's like like i said before looking at this tiny creature who can be the most

01:18:51.780 frustrating thing in the world but you never get that mad at it or sometimes you do but then you

01:18:57.280 feel stupid for getting mad at it but then you know my wife does this thing like this is probably

01:19:01.840 the best example where she'll spend all day deal and it'll be a bad day every so what you're gonna

01:19:07.640 have bad days where the baby is just crying and not that doesn't make sense they just decided to

01:19:12.640 have a bad day where they're fussy whatever every parent knows that and then you're exhausted

01:19:19.560 nothing works even when they're feeding they're spitting it out it's crazy but then you know we'll

01:19:25.180 be down at the end of the day the baby's asleep she's still looking at photos of him she's still

01:19:31.220 looking at him like oh look at him he's so cool it's like you she's so obsessed with him and she

01:19:39.080 took photos about today and i look at the photos i'm like he looks really cool there you look you

01:19:43.520 got a good one our youngest is turning two in a couple of weeks actually so like it's been two

01:19:49.440 years since she was born and we still almost every night both of us end up just like looking at

01:19:54.680 photos and literally look talking to each other and be like oh she's so cute oh look at her here

01:19:58.980 she was doing this. Like you, you do get that. And yeah, if you're, if you have frozen eggs and

01:20:04.220 no husband, you don't get that. So that is a real, that is a real selling point, but yeah,

01:20:09.500 you can't discount the amount of, of like hard labor and bullshit. We had a really like, we've

01:20:15.900 been, you know, we've been sick. Our, both of our parents are sick. So we've had no childcare aside

01:20:19.960 from daycare. And it's been a very rough week for us the last couple of weeks. And we've been

01:20:24.520 dealing with this exact thing and i can imagine this being a breaking point for some people

01:20:30.440 but what really bothers me is that women whose kids are like in public school or high school

01:20:36.660 at that age when they're essentially fucking independent and you're like this this family

01:20:42.980 life isn't for me like get fucked yeah that far into it and you're just bored like again this

01:20:50.440 this speaks to principles you never had the foundational principles or belief in this

01:20:54.600 you were just doing it to for appearances it's like you had a family you waited until they're

01:20:59.560 independent then you said i actually have some free time now what should i do i guess i should

01:21:05.260 be a dumb slut like you could take a basket weaving you could do literally anything i mean

01:21:13.080 you could do so much you could start a business you could do you could actually be a girl boss

01:21:18.320 this is what's so funny about these fucking bitches

01:21:20.260 where they're like I had six kids

01:21:22.560 and they're all in school now

01:21:24.180 and I went through all the hard stuff

01:21:25.680 and I'm probably closer to my husband than they've ever been

01:21:28.600 and I'm sitting at home I don't know

01:21:30.440 what to do well you could

01:21:32.480 it's easier start an e-commerce

01:21:34.580 store sell

01:21:36.360 Virgin Mary figurines I don't fucking know

01:21:38.560 be empowered

01:21:40.320 in literally any other way than fucking a

01:21:42.420 bartender

01:21:43.060 you know what you don't do is go like Bobert

01:21:46.400 or marjorie taylor green and go into politics or leadership don't try to get back into the

01:21:53.780 left-wing jewish communist system you know what i mean like don't become a media influencer

01:22:00.000 don't start a tiktok sorry like i this might sound really archaic to say this but don't don't if

01:22:08.240 especially it's one thing for maybe a really young woman i don't know i'm never for leadership but

01:22:13.400 for media i get it but if you're a mother unless you're literally making videos for women about

01:22:21.420 how to be a good mother you should not be doing video game reviews aimed at men you know what i

01:22:28.800 mean and it's not even at that point it's not even a moral thing it's like this is the exact

01:22:32.560 gateway this is how like you're i guarantee you five years from now you'll be divorced

01:22:36.600 because you're diving back into that shit again sorry it just occurred to me i don't know this

01:22:41.640 was not as profound when i originally read this but it is funny like we talk about oh they gave

01:22:47.560 up their youth the grass is greener the life i could have lived if i didn't have this family

01:22:51.840 when presented with the opportunity to do literally anything they all they seem to always

01:22:58.360 just choose sucking dick and this is kind of back to what i was talking about which was like

01:23:03.180 you had no hobbies you had no beliefs you had no goals when when given the the the breathing room

01:23:10.600 in the space to actually pursue your dreams the only dream you want to pursue is being a dumb

01:23:15.080 slut that that's awesome right you're absolutely right they present it as like think of all of the

01:23:20.520 things the gamut the unimaginable infinite amount of things that i could have done but the flag

01:23:25.360 that's telling us that these relationships are breaking apart is the fact that the women are

01:23:29.800 sleeping around with 100 other men it has nothing to like you could go to thailand and learn how to

01:23:35.560 make ethnic pottery and then come back and change your hair color and still stay with your husband

01:23:41.000 and raise your kids but no it has to do with just fucking the yoga guy and getting a divorce and

01:23:47.800 then moving into skid row you get into some obscure bullshit sport get into gaming get into

01:23:55.120 all guys do stuff dumb shit all the time gardening gardening can take up all of your time you could

01:24:02.420 abandon your family for gardening easily

01:24:04.580 if you're doing it right.

01:24:06.380 I would understand. I would understand a woman

01:24:08.600 who abandoned her family because

01:24:10.620 she wanted to get really, really good

01:24:12.420 at growing beans.

01:24:14.180 You know, I saw an image there. Shit, man. I spent

01:24:16.680 way too many hours already

01:24:18.360 in the garden. I know. I can relate

01:24:20.380 to that. I saw a photo

01:24:21.960 that made me consider

01:24:24.320 leaving my family.

01:24:26.420 It was a can of beans. A can

01:24:28.400 of Heinz beans. Baked beans.

01:24:31.540 And instead of

01:24:32.400 a can of beans it was one big bean yeah it really makes you think it made me think and i said what

01:24:39.860 could have you really said you say to yourself hmm i think back on my life and i wonder if i

01:24:45.420 had to have decided differently if i had the years under my belt i could figure out how to grow that

01:24:50.500 bean the big question is what could have been fuck fuck all right i want to get we got to get

01:25:01.240 through this fucking tweet um uh also number four there's a ton of guys who are willing to take

01:25:07.660 advantage of naive discontented housewives especially if it's for low commitment sex

01:25:13.020 and to be fair so are many of these women that's what they're looking for they're searching for

01:25:17.380 a feeling many of them know that the one night stand is is exactly what it is sorry exactly what

01:25:22.780 it is um so i'm i'm gonna skip the rest of the tweet because there's that this dovetails right

01:25:31.360 into another piece that i read that that kind of mentions what we're talking about i think you'll

01:25:38.340 like it it's uh written by billionaire psycho billionaire psycho.substack.com um and this is

01:25:47.120 a long piece but i'm only going to talk about the first little bit because i found this very

01:25:50.220 interesting um it really stretches the point out if i'm being honest and uh and there's a lot of

01:25:56.300 tweet screencaps i don't know what it is about substack race that act like all information comes

01:26:03.100 from twitter but it's an interesting it's called uh pygmalion and the anime girl um and it starts

01:26:11.960 by discussing this individual named josh holly josh holly who is a conservative speaker who was

01:26:18.820 at Turning Point USA. And he gave a speech. And the speech was all about how young men need to

01:26:25.640 turn off porn and go ask real women out on a date. Young men, let me make a suggestion to you.

01:26:33.960 Why don't you turn off the computer and log off the porn and go ask a real woman on a date?

01:26:39.140 How about that? Just a thought. Ask her out. Young men, why don't you be the ones who do the

01:26:47.060 asking how about that don't wait for her you go ask show her a little respect

01:26:51.780 and this is kind of what a lot of the men are saying like a lot of conservative men

01:26:56.960 are taking on porn men gotta man up because we're not having big families not having kids

01:27:02.180 the incel crisis all this shit men gotta get back to asking girls out on a date here's a

01:27:08.740 bunch of photos of him and his wife and their two kids and he's got the the young conservative thing

01:27:15.640 where i don't know what to call it other than yellowstone chic there's the show yellowstone

01:27:21.640 where it's like you're a millionaire rancher you're wearing you know uh uh the tight jeans

01:27:28.000 tucked in button-up shirt and a 45 000 puffer vest and a cowboy like that look it's just

01:27:35.900 disingenuous upper upper class working class upper work i don't know what you call it like

01:27:42.680 a guy who works who's on a farm you know two days of the year and just has i don't know droids

01:27:51.840 working on it right yeah just be honest and wear a t-shirt like zuck come on and the first part of

01:27:56.800 this article i liked is it's actually you know a lot of us would agree that porn is bad no one's

01:28:01.240 going to disagree that porn is bad but porn is being used as a scapegoat to the actual problem

01:28:07.200 And this article, this substack, takes the view that the problem is actually relationship dynamics and largely women.

01:28:16.520 And this is something I hear from a lot of our listeners and a lot of friends of mine, especially younger guys who are unmarried, but are looking to be married.

01:28:24.460 They're looking for love in all the places they're supposed to look for love.

01:28:28.700 You know, these aren't guys like they're trying to get off Tinder.

01:28:31.280 Where do I meet women?

01:28:32.380 Go to church.

01:28:33.120 You go to the library, whoever.

01:28:34.540 Run into the same problems.

01:28:35.920 They don't know where to meet girls, or the girls they're meeting are of a certain caliber, you know, busted hoes, or, you know, they're just not interested, you know, and these are decent looking guys, or, you know, they would rather be on Tinder.

01:28:50.540 Anyway, so this is the first part, porn as a scapegoat.

01:28:54.160 He says, years ago, I heard a joke about politicians.

01:28:57.040 When a politician finds a parade, he rushes to the front of the crowd and pretends he was always leading it.

01:29:02.200 um it's a mistake to expect dynamic leadership from machiavellian social climbers men who

01:29:09.180 calculate every outfit practice smiling in the mirror manicure their nails for television select

01:29:14.500 their wives based on external social approval their lives are rehearsed fueled by covert intrigues

01:29:21.660 masked by sanctimonious reality in this particular speech josh holly adopted the mannerism of

01:29:28.240 mannerisms and aesthetic of a protestant protestant christian youth pastor in order to connect with

01:29:34.820 the audience as a man of the people his customary suit um was banded in favor of a casual t-shirt

01:29:42.380 the senator pretends to be spontaneous as he stands on stage but if you look at his thin

01:29:47.340 scrawny arms it's obvious senator holly rarely lifts weights even a short three-month regimen

01:29:52.340 would be enough to improve his physique there's a certain irony to this kind of performative

01:29:56.500 masculinity where an effeminate legal scholar stands on stage and insults ordinary men as

01:30:02.300 porn addicted losers it's typical of modern christian churches today preachers frequently

01:30:08.800 ignore the scriptures and claim that women were made in the image of god let's skip this part

01:30:12.980 women are praised men are scorned these dynamics are increasingly detached from reality in a world

01:30:21.580 where tinder has replaced traditional courtship average women reject average men and no-fault

01:30:27.580 divorce break breakup bankrupts families workplace romances have been de facto outlawed by sexual

01:30:33.800 harassment laws enforced by the bitter envious old women of human resources um and then there's a few

01:30:40.160 graphs here that show you know disproportionately the number one people couples meet or you know

01:30:46.960 hookups happen is online every other traditional form going back to the 1940s has taken a nosedive

01:30:53.100 um we see a graph here that shows a lot of people have talked about before that the experiences of

01:31:00.220 men and women on tinder are very different more men match with women most women reject most men

01:31:07.020 women tend to reject 95 of the men they're paired with men reject maybe 50 it's delusional to claim

01:31:16.700 that women are catering to the whims of men

01:31:19.520 when they reject 95% of their options at first glance.

01:31:25.040 As I stated previously, this is the data for Tinder now.

01:31:29.220 The average female likes 12% of men on Tinder.

01:31:31.620 This doesn't mean, though, that most men will get liked back

01:31:34.600 by 12% of all women they like on Tinder.

01:31:37.160 This would only be the case if likes were equally distributed.

01:31:40.900 In reality, the bottom 80% of men

01:31:43.420 are fighting over the bottom 22% of women.

01:31:46.500 and the top 78% of women

01:31:48.440 are fighting over the top 20% of men.

01:31:51.120 So we can see this trend in figure one.

01:31:53.480 The area in blue represents the situations

01:31:55.180 where women are more likely to like the men.

01:31:57.820 The area in pink represents the situations

01:31:59.580 where men are more likely to like women.

01:32:01.760 The curve doesn't go down linearly,

01:32:03.400 but instead drops quickly after the top 20% of men.

01:32:06.140 Comparing the blue area and the pink area,

01:32:08.120 we can see that for a random female to male

01:32:10.960 Tinder interaction, the male is likely

01:32:12.900 to like the female 6.2 times more often

01:32:16.200 and the female likes the male he says women enjoy rejecting men especially handsome men the power

01:32:22.560 to select or spurn suitors based on arbitrary reasons mercurial moods is fun it provides a

01:32:28.540 validational ego boost these truths are politically unpopular as a result senator josh holly feigns

01:32:35.180 ignorance and blames men scapegoating men and porn for destruction of the family feels righteous

01:32:41.200 and cathartic, but nearly 70% of divorces are initiated by women. A new study of more than

01:32:49.260 2,200 couples found women were the ones who initiate the divorce 69% of the time. That's

01:32:55.100 compared to just 31% of divorces initiated by men. Joining us this morning to talk more about it is

01:33:01.360 therapist and relationship coach Rick Brown. Always great to see you. Thanks for coming in this

01:33:05.060 morning. Did this surprise you at all? Not really. One of the reasons this happened is because women

01:33:09.500 actually can. In your parents' generation, my parents' generation, women were often home and

01:33:14.840 the husband provided the income. But now with two people working, women can actually financially

01:33:21.580 say, if I'm not happy in this relationship, I can get out. I can depend on myself.

01:33:26.060 So this is something I'd like to, again, circle back to. And I think it builds on our last point

01:33:31.040 that I've heard these statistics before that most divorces are initiated by women. And all I hear

01:33:39.280 in the news is that we have an incel crisis like what is the incel crisis the incel incels the very

01:33:47.540 very first incels are obviously anti-social freaks i remember back when the the guy who invented the

01:33:53.600 term incel was also the guy who like wanted to kill his parents for not buying him a prostitute

01:33:58.280 but an incel is an involuntary settlement it's a guy who wants to have sex but for whatever reason

01:34:04.400 can't and these guys are not horrific usually those guys are called wizards that's another

01:34:09.780 thing entirely but an incel is just like a young man who can't get laid can't find love can't find

01:34:16.800 a relationship and the the narrative is that these men are to blame and that porn is to blame now

01:34:23.100 later on in the article he does say that porn on one hand he'll say that porn is a symptom not the

01:34:30.840 cause however porn does cause

01:34:32.920 other problems like

01:34:34.540 I think you can lay a lot of the trans

01:34:37.080 phenomena at the feet

01:34:38.900 of internet porn

01:34:40.280 and the multitudinous ways it perverts

01:34:42.920 the mind like he says politics

01:34:44.880 is downstream from culture

01:34:46.340 culture is downstream from economics

01:34:49.180 economics

01:34:50.820 is downstream from technology

01:34:52.520 okay porn is a convenient

01:34:55.000 scapegoat for the entrenched

01:34:56.660 intractable problems of modernity

01:34:59.040 um marriage has become a luxury product i think that's an interesting way of looking at that a

01:35:06.060 good marriage seems to be only only something that really rich people can afford and it seems

01:35:12.980 that like the a lot of these problems seem to be affecting the lower classes like to keep some of

01:35:19.300 these women you need to just like throw money at them anyway he says uh he says there's an economic

01:35:27.600 gravity an incremental heaviness inflicted by five consecutive decades of inflation offshoring

01:35:33.560 credentialism globalization housing bubbles urban crime and mass immigration traditional

01:35:39.100 lifestyles are still available if you can afford them every year the price appreciates by a tiny

01:35:45.100 margin um so anyway what do you think and then it gets into economic stuff but i really wanted to

01:35:51.060 focus more on the blaming of the porn as the cause of relationship dynamics or the blaming of

01:35:59.300 the caliber of men out there and i don't think there's enough discussion about the caliber of

01:36:05.880 women like honestly like you know you and me have done we're married but in our heyday we did all

01:36:11.900 right i've had enough exposure to women's living situations and their rooms modern women live like

01:36:20.080 pigs modern women they are filthy and they can't cook they can't do anything they walk around in

01:36:25.720 fucking sweatpants and messy buns and they i remember i remember when you and i were living

01:36:31.660 together with like eight other people in toronto and we thought it was the worst place imaginable

01:36:37.600 but at that same time my wife was living on the west end of the city in an apartment with only i

01:36:44.980 think four other women but the bathroom in that place looked like a fucking holocaust like it was

01:36:52.260 just it was shocking like i think there were times where it's like can i come over to your house and

01:36:56.300 yours you you use your washroom to take a shower even though ours was bad just because it's like

01:37:01.980 there's just caked makeup and shit and it's like how do you live like this man yeah and um at the

01:37:09.280 end of this episode i'm gonna have an interview i did with the ayatollah and um i think one of

01:37:16.880 the things we talk about is related to this but um yeah i guess what i'm saying is like the the

01:37:23.660 gender dynamics at play only ever focus on the men and not the women and when i mentioned in the

01:37:33.320 interview because at the end of the interview they i'm the token canadian they're like well

01:37:37.500 what do you think about jordan peterson and i'll i won't spoil it but i talked about jordan

01:37:41.300 peterson for a minute but one thing i said was jordan peterson had this really really great point

01:37:44.520 that he said years and years ago that he kind of backed away from but my favorite jordan peterson

01:37:50.440 points were the ones he kind of said by accident that got him in trouble one thing he said was men

01:37:55.120 and women don't know how to work together uh in an office in any setting men and women don't

01:38:00.160 actually know how to work together that is something that is historically unique and we've

01:38:04.940 never actually negotiated like what is acceptable women's dress women wear whatever the fuck they

01:38:10.560 want in the office and no one's allowed to say anything women are allowed to do whatever they

01:38:14.940 want we actually haven't negotiated socially what the boundaries are and that and his take was kind

01:38:21.400 of a maybe a little bit of a trap he says like that's a that's basically me too like we don't

01:38:26.480 we didn't agree on what's acceptable and so everyone's just getting everyone's confused i

01:38:31.300 I don't really agree with that.

01:38:33.560 I understand where people are coming from when they say that.

01:38:36.320 I totally relate, but it's actually false.

01:38:39.160 It's just not true.

01:38:40.220 When he says, we don't know how to do this, and we just haven't figured out a way.

01:38:44.240 No, we knew.

01:38:45.000 We actually knew for thousands of years.

01:38:46.660 And what happened was at some point, either because of Jews, because of weak men, or something,

01:38:53.040 we started saying during this yearly negotiation with women, we started just saying, you know what?

01:38:58.480 Fine.

01:38:59.300 Do it your way.

01:39:00.220 And we've been doing that for a while. But like to say women and women in the workplace are allowed to wear whatever they want. Yeah, they are right now. But it's not like we've never had rules limiting women's clothing. We have had them for a long time. And prior to that, we had laws limiting whether women could even be in the workplace. So again, we have a long, long history of understanding perfectly how this is supposed to work.

01:39:24.800 so jordan's saying oh well we just don't know how to negotiate a workplace with men and women

01:39:30.500 no actually we do we actually have books written about it but you fucking people this is going

01:39:36.200 back to the marjorie taylor green and lauren bobert you people aren't willing to accept the

01:39:40.440 whole thing you want to have the one part the hallmark movie part but you don't want to have

01:39:45.160 the other part that says you're not allowed to work in a legal office you're just not you're

01:39:49.800 just not allowed right you know I was going to talk about this book but I think we might just

01:39:55.100 stay on this topic because I think we can probably like play through this till the end of the episode

01:40:01.000 sure and it wouldn't make sense I want to talk about Pygmalion too because he brought out he

01:40:05.420 said Pygmalion in the anime girl is the name of the substack or the name of the article yeah

01:40:09.580 okay so if we want to take a break there what is Pygmalion because this is a long article that goes

01:40:15.180 pretty deep but i i didn't get to the end so what is pygmalion you're just very short so pygmalion

01:40:22.120 was like a it's a greek mythological figure who thought that women were degenerate and he was

01:40:26.500 also a sculptor so he sculpted a beautiful sculpture and he said this woman is perfect

01:40:30.640 she's not a whore she doesn't back talk me she always helps me out and is a good mother

01:40:35.920 and um which you would think would end in disaster right except he prays to aphrodite one night or

01:40:41.140 like at a festival to say that he really wishes he could find a wife and aphrodite he turns the

01:40:45.740 sculpture into a real woman and she's actually just the perfect wife and they have a kid and

01:40:48.760 they live happily ever after so that's that's that's malian so uh which is like to me like

01:40:54.540 tying that to the anime girl and like the mid-journey art and whatever it's like okay so

01:40:58.800 you're saying if the if the comparison tracks uh incels should create perfect anime robot wives

01:41:08.080 that are actually just like 18th century women

01:41:12.600 and then live happily ever after, I guess.

01:41:17.820 Well, that's the funny thing

01:41:19.060 that everyone's passing around the AI art

01:41:21.740 of some soft, curvy woman

01:41:24.760 with just gargantuan breasts.

01:41:28.200 Breasts that are anatomically offensive.

01:41:32.580 To me, I always saw those portrayed

01:41:34.240 as almost an immediate parody of the technology.

01:41:37.660 The first day that mid-journey hit the scene, everyone said, well, how big tits can it come up with?

01:41:47.540 And the answer is, like, easily too big.

01:41:54.200 No one needs, you know, maybe I'm showing my bias here.

01:41:59.740 There is a ceiling on breast size.

01:42:03.180 Game! Game! Game!

01:42:05.660 oh absolutely

01:42:07.820 everyone's almost grabbing the clicker

01:42:09.920 you sit your ass down

01:42:11.760 you know I'm writing this comes with age

01:42:13.960 young men they don't know what the fuck I'm saying

01:42:16.500 when I say shit like this

01:42:17.840 they're like the bigger the better

01:42:20.480 I'm like no no no no

01:42:21.500 you fool you ass

01:42:23.460 you ape

01:42:24.680 you freak you fraud

01:42:27.360 there's a distribution curve which lines up

01:42:30.160 fairly well with

01:42:31.260 the usefulness and aesthetic

01:42:33.800 value of breasts

01:42:35.160 yeah distribution curve is right but the boing doing doing doing boing boing boing

01:42:40.700 i'd like to distribute her curves like just i don't know what you mean actually

01:42:49.920 i do not know what you mean

01:42:53.160 but you know this comes with age you accept all sizes you find beauty

01:42:59.340 in the big the small the mid yeah this is this is guys get led down this primrose path that leads

01:43:07.060 into a giant gaping asshole they get led is the the the christ-like liberal christian attitude

01:43:14.480 thank you i just i just love titties it's all titties i don't hate any titties okay there's

01:43:20.920 some but like most almost all titties as you age you embrace the mid there is only the mid

01:43:27.420 oh she's mid i only i only fucking all who what i look at all i want's mid mid's mid's good mid's

01:43:35.260 honest mid is decent mid won't stab you know you get too high get too low they stab me in the front

01:43:41.780 they stab me in the back mid you're getting stabbed nowhere mid is the future who gets stabbed

01:43:47.780 laterally doesn't make sense yeah has anyone ever come at someone with a knife in the side

01:43:56.680 doesn't make sense so that's i would say read that article on billionaire psycho sub stack

01:44:03.280 um it goes into the economic you know inputs that are driving this and it questions whether

01:44:10.240 you know we're going to get to this not the next episode but the episode after that um

01:44:18.180 in at continuing on our arc of geopolitics about uh it's peter zyhan's book disunited nations and

01:44:25.960 And he talks a lot about the demographic pressures of great powers or core areas,

01:44:32.800 as we called them in the past, and that the Industrial Revolution

01:44:37.080 and the urbanization of these countries, it doesn't matter what country it is,

01:44:40.840 it always drove the birth rates down.

01:44:45.260 And because, you know, in the West, we'd say the West has fallen, birth rates have fallen.

01:44:48.340 You'd have big families.

01:44:49.620 But one of the main driving contributors to the decline of the family was urbanization,

01:44:54.840 urbanization was just lack of space you actually need quite a bit of space to comfortably have a

01:45:00.480 family and this is a problem that emerged in japan you know if you have a one-bedroom apartment it

01:45:07.440 kind of limits how many kids you could have and you can tell people to have nine kids in a one

01:45:11.760 bedroom apartment but they won't and the statistics bear that out and that's one of the

01:45:17.580 consequences of the industrial revolution especially in places where the industrial

01:45:22.340 revolution was forced like the soviet union you know aside from the famines one of the biggest

01:45:27.180 problems was the the birth rate decline due to everyone being crammed into these fucking

01:45:31.500 apartment buildings as they were dragged off their family farms there wasn't there wasn't a

01:45:35.860 parallel movement of the of the culture like that that went along with the industrialization yeah

01:45:41.100 yeah that's the same thing happened in germany too and he makes a point he's like you know

01:45:44.480 the only time we actually saw a birth rate increase during this time was during liebens

01:45:49.800 from in nazi germany when they were getting more space because every statesman knows that we

01:45:54.940 actually need space to have to increase the population and population density drives down

01:46:01.560 it doesn't matter what ideology drives that it doesn't matter what the economic system is that's

01:46:06.600 just a biological reality so in one hand what they're saying was you know if you want the trad

01:46:12.260 lifestyle like you want a big family you need a lot of space and then what where do you get the

01:46:17.760 space and maybe you can buy some land maybe you inherit some land but for a lot of people

01:46:22.280 who have dreams of a big family it's like you need the big house you need some land need space

01:46:27.640 otherwise it just maybe you're a rare case that can do it because everyone will point to like

01:46:32.260 irish families living in tenement buildings i'm like yeah but no one wants to be irish

01:46:38.260 i could use hong kong as an example i think it's like space is a really good

01:46:43.820 marker like it's a really easy flag that you can use to track this and it does track really well

01:46:48.280 but it's kind of it's a little bit it's a little bit simplistic but like yeah it's it's it's good

01:46:53.780 to call it space but it's a lot of things it's to do with like you're not freedom like liberal

01:46:59.740 freedom but like do you have the ability to find a new job if you need to do you have the ability

01:47:03.720 to move if you need to like are you a free person essentially do you have opportunities like do you

01:47:09.360 Are you secure in the amount of food that you have in the, you know, in you, you feel

01:47:13.700 like the future is going to be good to you.

01:47:15.240 All of these things are related to space, which is why space is a good flag, but you

01:47:19.080 do have places like Hong Kong, which are economically on the up and up and have loads

01:47:23.560 of services and public spaces that are accessible to families.

01:47:27.620 And then you have all kinds of middle-class families with five kids living in 600 square

01:47:32.060 feet, like loads of them, but they don't really stay, spend a lot of time in those

01:47:36.360 apartments prior to COVID.

01:47:37.460 they actually spend most of their time in all of these public spaces and institutions so there is

01:47:42.340 a way to run it there could be such a thing hypothetically as a as a happy you know um like

01:47:50.400 a a happy civilization where people actually have lots of kids that's highly urbanized it's just

01:47:56.180 that we we have not really figured that out yet and maybe that just doesn't work with the western

01:48:01.740 mind the part of me thinks that historically maybe even genetically we are predisposed to want

01:48:08.580 some kind of homestead or naturally want that like like that's also part of it as westerners

01:48:13.760 and maybe and that's russians too like the transition to this sort of collectivized space

01:48:19.060 just broke us you know and and maybe the japanese had i mean the japanese are a different case study

01:48:27.160 I don't want to get into them right now, but I don't know.

01:48:29.760 It seems like I like that point.

01:48:32.800 I like the point you just made, which is it comes down to freedom.

01:48:36.200 And it's like, how free do you actually feel?

01:48:39.960 And how is freedom measured in this society?

01:48:43.000 It's measured with money.

01:48:44.580 It's measured by like, do you actually own land?

01:48:46.860 Do you feel secure?

01:48:48.540 And if you constantly feel insecure, it's going to be difficult to have.

01:48:53.020 it's going to be difficult to have a family unless you have a woman who's ideologically

01:48:58.760 predisposed to it and i think that is the core issue that no one wants to address politically

01:49:04.240 and if i'm trying to give women you know the benefit of the doubt here it's like they are

01:49:08.540 simply biologically reacting to a system that is uncertain like would you want to have a big

01:49:16.160 family in a place where like you rent an apartment and it can be yanked out for any minute and

01:49:20.660 everything feels tense and strange and i don't know it's like it just seems it's hard for me

01:49:26.880 to even assign it motivation i'm looking at us almost like human animals at this point it's like

01:49:31.920 yeah so women without the core principles that line up with that they're just not going to do

01:49:36.920 it they're literally just going to stop having kids and the excuse is hypergamy or some other

01:49:41.160 thing but what it actually is is their their belief structure when they're making decisions

01:49:45.660 it's like why on earth would i raise a kid in this environment and they're kind of right

01:49:49.240 um i i was thinking about the joke or like a kind of a meme that we talked about a couple times

01:49:55.620 about the idea of um retarded women having big tits as a defense mechanism you remember that

01:50:01.160 i don't know if it was a defense mechanism but it's don't get a mechanism it's so good it's like

01:50:05.740 the idea that they they otherwise they wouldn't be able to breathe so they just become more

01:50:10.300 sexually attractive by having larger breasts so guys do that too with their breasts yes they have

01:50:17.320 yes call a retard yes they uh and then i was like it's kind of said a minute ago almost as a joke

01:50:26.680 but not really a joke that mids are the future i think i think women are a resource right like

01:50:34.120 to a civilization like we're saying that we've noticed over time that when civilizations

01:50:38.980 industrialize and urbanize that the the fertility rate drops and it's kind of like if you look at

01:50:44.940 women as a component of a civilization like an like it's agriculture right like the way that

01:50:50.300 you manage that agriculture affects the production and you might think that heavy nitrogen fertilization

01:50:55.020 is good but in the long run it actually reduces production and you get into this into this death

01:50:59.100 loop right and that's where we are with our civilization in terms of birth rates and it's

01:51:03.900 like we're not treating women like the most valuable resource that we have we've allowed

01:51:09.340 women as a resource to rot and become corrupted and i think the seed that we have left that hasn't

01:51:16.380 been ruined yet is mids is women who are not really women who are not so mutated that they

01:51:23.540 hate everything women who are not so beautiful that they've become a commodity unto themselves

01:51:29.820 women who are just women and they just are trying to just be people right mids are actually the

01:51:37.680 people that we can, that we can have children with and move forward into the future because

01:51:43.180 they're not, they're not, you know what I mean? Like they're not stuck in hatred and

01:51:47.800 they're also not constantly being proposition. I think those two categories are write-offs.

01:51:53.420 We should not even bother with them. And there's a lot of guys who will disagree that they

01:51:56.480 think we all deserve tens. You don't want a 10. If you don't want a 10 who was born

01:52:01.040 in the last 30 years, trust me, you, she's not going to be a good wife. I'm sorry. It's

01:52:06.820 not for us this is a generational fact of history now you do not want to marry a 10 who was born

01:52:12.720 after 1985 you know it's funny that if you ask women who is a 10 a man who is a 10 i think a lot

01:52:22.260 of women will come to the same conclusions about the man right if you ask a group of men who is a

01:52:28.680 10 for women in look just looks let's just say looks you'll get such a wide variance of opinions

01:52:35.440 like i've seen this show um it's called excelling sunset or something it's a reality show

01:52:41.940 where a bunch of i guess prostitutes try and sell mansions i never you never actually see them sell

01:52:49.420 a house but they go to showings and then there's office drama and but they are uh you know in la

01:52:57.520 i guess and they are they're la girls they got big fake tits they're in shape they're toned they

01:53:03.540 get look like they get their assholes bleached you know by a lot of the metrics defined by

01:53:08.980 some men they will be tens they could be like supermodels but they're so done up with makeup

01:53:13.880 and fakeness that some guys would think that 10 some guys would rate that as zero even though

01:53:20.040 they tick all the boxes for like a technically aesthetic attractiveness and if you saw them

01:53:26.760 some of them are actually are classically attractive but there's just some essence some

01:53:31.080 way they're put together that they're like fucking vampires they're succubi or something

01:53:36.240 and then like another guy will look at you know there's a big debate i see go on twitter about

01:53:42.160 like the debate is that margot robbie who is in the new barbie movie she's a famous actor there

01:53:48.220 was like she's a fucking six out of ten everyone's like oh man you used to see her in a blockbuster

01:53:54.060 video but i'm like i could also see her as a like a close run like there's no like she looks like a

01:54:00.860 bug she looks like a weird bug like her eyes stick out of her head i think it's anorexia or

01:54:05.840 something but she's not attractive she's not attractive like if you saw her without her hair

01:54:09.140 done up at like uh walmart as a cashier you would intentionally go to the longer line so you didn't

01:54:14.460 have to look her in the eye yeah that's how weird she is go ask a group go ask a bar of guys about

01:54:20.080 the margot robbie question it's gonna be a goddamn knife fight like this is what i'm talking about

01:54:25.920 so there actually is more of a variance like that but but women seem to just think like here's here's

01:54:32.400 a fucking tent anyway i just wanted to complain about uh selling sunset you need people need to

01:54:38.640 be watching selling sunset it's barely even a show my wife was watching an episode and i'm like

01:54:46.720 like what is this it's it's kind of it's a peek into this world where it's like again on a whole

01:54:52.800 real estate office full of just

01:54:54.780 these hoes and then

01:54:56.740 like the two Jewish guys

01:54:58.900 who run it.

01:55:01.060 Guys who look like they're in their 50s

01:55:02.960 when they dress like they're in their 30s.

01:55:05.220 That type like... It sounds like a

01:55:06.820 terrible show. I know.

01:55:08.540 I know. You gotta see it.

01:55:10.980 You gotta watch this.

01:55:12.540 You gotta... Why are we doing

01:55:14.720 this show if not to suffer?

01:55:18.200 And there's

01:55:18.840 this other article, and maybe we'll end on

01:55:20.760 this because I think it

01:55:21.880 it kind of ties this together.

01:55:24.280 I had these three,

01:55:25.220 and I read this a while ago,

01:55:26.580 but I returned to it today.

01:55:28.600 This is a Substack

01:55:30.460 written by Astral Codex 10.

01:55:34.820 AstralCodex10.substack.com

01:55:36.460 This was published this year in May.

01:55:39.120 It's about hypergamy.

01:55:40.920 It says hypergamy,

01:55:42.160 much more than you wanted to know.

01:55:44.420 And so it goes into the concept of hypergamy.

01:55:46.580 A lot of people have heard that before

01:55:48.200 about how, in short,

01:55:50.640 it's more common for this is kind of what we're talking about with tinder most women reject most

01:55:57.040 men and they're all competing for the top one percent 80 you know 80 of the bangings happening

01:56:03.940 by 20 of the men it's just fact of life you know even even like a one out of ten is going to hammer

01:56:10.140 for the you know for the stage up that's what hypergamy is i'm not going to go over that too

01:56:14.420 much my lawyer when i was going through my divorce god bless his soul such a good guy

01:56:20.080 guy saved me, big time. One of the conversations that we had was pairing up, pair bonding with

01:56:29.980 women. Now, granted, he's been in family law for a long time. Through my own experiences,

01:56:36.040 and those are the guys that I've coached, I discourage you from marrying down. Everybody

01:56:41.180 does it. You're going along in life. Here's the entrepreneur. Here's the hairdresser.

01:56:46.000 or you guys meet up, I love you, she moves into your life,

01:56:48.900 you get married, her lifestyle improves.

01:56:50.760 Yours doesn't change.

01:56:51.500 It doesn't go down, it doesn't go up.

01:56:53.120 You know, it is where it is.

01:56:54.220 If you go up, you go up together.

01:56:56.360 Things go sideways, there's a hard break.

01:56:58.440 Then there's a questionable dot, dot, dot.

01:57:01.220 The way family law works and the way hypergamy works,

01:57:04.220 it's designed to maintain her lifestyle at that level.

01:57:06.860 She's not going to go back down over here.

01:57:09.720 You're often responsible for maintaining that,

01:57:11.700 depending on how long you live together, if you have kids,

01:57:13.980 where you live in the world, what family law says.

01:57:16.260 And you can avoid a lot of that.

01:57:18.020 This is my lawyer's best advice by not marrying down.

01:57:21.800 The mids don't know their mids.

01:57:24.220 Margot Robbie thinks she's a 10, right?

01:57:27.780 And this is the phenomenon that bears out statistically.

01:57:31.660 And it seems that in many historical periods, this was accepted.

01:57:36.700 This is the hypergamous relationship.

01:57:38.160 One guy with many concubines, many wives, and more women are okay with this

01:57:42.900 because the man has high status and it seems that in society if a man is high status you know not

01:57:50.980 all the time but it's generally more accepted that that guy will have affairs um and that he'll have

01:57:58.860 some kind of deal worked out with his wife or and a lot of times and this is interesting i've heard

01:58:04.680 people say this i don't know if i completely agree with it but it seems to bear out that if a guy is

01:58:11.160 like famous and powerful enough and he doesn't sleep around that's almost a mark against him

01:58:15.780 like there's something wrong with him if he's not if women are throwing themselves at you and you

01:58:20.180 don't just take a couple and what the fuck is he gay i've heard that argument before i'm not sure

01:58:24.640 that's maybe he's cool maybe he loves his like maybe pierce brosnan maybe he pierce brosnan

01:58:30.980 with his ham wife look at how big he's smiling in every photo pierce brosnan's wife at what is

01:58:38.640 55 60 she is more attractive than margot robbie i'm just i'm just saying that now i'm i'm maybe

01:58:47.420 i'm a fucking old guy and healthier let's just say that much healthier oh yeah margot robbie

01:58:52.500 looks like a fucking aids patient let's say pierce bras's wife looks very comfortable

01:58:57.500 she she's what we in the podcasting guild call a big bitch

01:59:04.540 but look we love our big bitches not that the trains don't run on time without them

01:59:12.660 i mean that literally and figuratively

01:59:15.120 so basically that that's what this article is about but it looks at it from

01:59:21.380 an educational perspective because it seems that the markers for status

01:59:27.040 that women are attracted to traditionally have become inverted more women are in higher education

01:59:34.320 And we're at an all time low for men in higher education.

01:59:37.780 That means that it not only impacts the jobs they can get, but women generally like, you

01:59:43.700 know, a guy who's smart.

01:59:45.180 And if women get the sense that they are more credentialed than the men, that completely

01:59:50.000 throws the hypergamous stuff out of whack.

01:59:53.480 How do women behave if they have more status than men in society?

01:59:56.540 Which is a question that many people are asking.

01:59:59.420 I'm just going to read the conclusion.

02:00:00.460 It's a very long article, but I'll just read the bullet points here.

02:00:05.020 It says, educational hypergamy has gone into reverse.

02:00:09.400 Now that women dominate education, they're actively seeking less educated men and vice versa.

02:00:15.860 This seems to be because educational balances in favor of women have become normative.

02:00:21.400 Education is now a proper feminine trait.

02:00:25.240 In contrast, income hibergamy is still widespread,

02:00:28.900 important and causing problems for non-compliers.

02:00:32.280 So it's making the case that if a woman is more educated than a man,

02:00:38.480 he needs to be making more money than her.

02:00:41.580 However, if the man is more educated than her,

02:00:46.200 and it goes into a lot of different graphs and studies here,

02:00:49.440 it's okay if the woman thinks it's okay if she makes more money than him.

02:00:53.740 And this is a bit of an interesting imbalance. Like the woman is looking for a different marker of status. So if she can't have education, she's okay with income, but the guy should at least be smarter than her. You know, that's what this article is about.

02:01:08.260 um and what he's saying is in this relationship looks don't seem to matter i thought that was

02:01:15.580 interesting that the studies that they do like you know when it comes to women seeking status

02:01:20.080 the handsomeness of the guy is somewhat irrelevant and this might seem it's totally irrelevant that

02:01:27.720 that that's what struck me reading this one because i read this a couple of weeks ago

02:01:31.380 was that of all the things they tracked it's really interesting how all of the other ones relate

02:01:35.700 but the whole thing about like aesthetic choices is like people kind of marry within their range

02:01:41.440 like a six will marry a six ish but not really like it doesn't even really matter everything

02:01:46.420 else dwarfs looks like looks almost don't matter at all it's like a rounding error yeah i'm just

02:01:54.800 going to read the last two parts here women's rising share of education isn't directly damaging

02:02:00.160 to the marriage market women's rising share of income might be with one study suggesting

02:02:05.280 is responsible for the 23% decline in U.S. marriages.

02:02:10.600 By analogy to education,

02:02:12.420 it's possible that if women ever earned more than men,

02:02:15.340 society would switch to accepting this

02:02:17.400 and marriages would happen as normal.

02:02:18.900 But as long as this is still in common,

02:02:21.080 the norm against it persists

02:02:22.640 and women who earn too much have a hard time.

02:02:27.140 Finally, a practical question.

02:02:28.760 To maximize your odds of getting a desirable spouse,

02:02:31.720 should you make more money or less?

02:02:33.500 For men, this is easy.

02:02:34.720 earn more for women it's a harder question earning more raises your status but also decreases your

02:02:39.940 chances with men who make less than you um but it's possible that income is partly serving as a

02:02:46.760 proxy for class and on a casual income this is totally a different effect so that that's an

02:02:53.260 interesting point that they're just using income as a way to judge your relative class and that

02:02:59.440 men's education and men's status might be measured in a different way outside of being

02:03:06.320 attractive so like even if you are an ugly guy you might not be an incel if you were

02:03:14.020 uh as a high enough prestige of internet celebrity that's kind of what i'm getting at here

02:03:20.180 that's how we did it boys that's the route that's the golden the the yellow brick road

02:03:27.560 even if you're a weird ugly retard you can always start a podcast but but it does um it ties a lot

02:03:35.260 of these things together which is how are women judging a desirable mate i don't think that gets

02:03:40.280 brought up enough and i would encourage people to read that article and it goes into a bit more

02:03:44.460 detail about it but you know the the very way we you know everyone knows well women are kind of

02:03:50.500 hypergamous well how do we define hypergamy in this era when we know that men are losing

02:03:55.440 a larger and larger share now does that mean that people women stop wanting to have sex with men

02:04:01.420 not necessarily but it means the criteria are going to shift i'm interested in discussing

02:04:07.380 what that criteria might be maybe it's some kind of survivalism i don't know

02:04:13.000 make making women the new and interesting ways to make women feel like they don't know what the

02:04:19.100 fuck they're talking about that's the key all you need to remove money from the situation

02:04:26.940 because women are like oh if he's making more money than me he must know more than me but if

02:04:31.060 she's making more money than him how does she know that he knows more than her men need to

02:04:36.580 be discovering new ways to make women feel stupid and i'm only half joking when i say this

02:04:44.920 we need we do need hard like real brass tacks kind of strategies to deal with this

02:04:54.240 and that is one of them that is not a joke and that is an actual strategy yeah it really like

02:05:00.700 it's i'm removed from the dating market and every so often i'll get a peek into it because i hear

02:05:08.560 guys talking about this and it's difficult for me to relate because i met my wife prior to tinder

02:05:14.020 and so did you i've never did to me and we've discussed this before but like internet dating

02:05:18.960 was always something losers did it was a joke like if you were finding people online you're a

02:05:25.100 fucking fool yeah yeah um and because it was it was the last it was the bottom of the barrel option

02:05:32.340 in like the mid-2000s yeah and if you you would if you met online you'd hide that in polite company

02:05:38.420 uh but now it's normalized and also people have internet relationships and this was news to me

02:05:45.020 because well they call them that but they're they don't actually yeah well yeah but but that they'll

02:05:50.500 talk about that like they we could say one thing or the other but it's like that used to be something

02:05:55.420 even if you were doing that it was a shameful thing like i got an e-girlfriend but now like

02:06:01.420 there's lots of guys i know more than normal guys who are doing that

02:06:06.140 normal is a strong word look we can't we can't all be married pre-tender like that's something

02:06:15.100 i don't if i you know you don't like to think about this but if i had to be single again

02:06:18.920 i don't know what i would do i don't i'd kidnap someone i say that i think i would do pretty well

02:06:25.320 though yeah i think i think i think we would do pretty well we joke a lot but we're both actually

02:06:30.580 really fucking cool and we wouldn't even have to

02:06:32.620 kidnap someone but we could

02:06:34.380 but we wouldn't have to. I'm pretty good

02:06:36.560 at talking to women. Here's the thing you gotta realize

02:06:38.740 is that you need

02:06:40.000 we've given so much advice on this show

02:06:42.460 about how to talk to women

02:06:43.400 talk fast, be

02:06:46.460 threatening, be loud

02:06:48.420 but whisper intermittently

02:06:50.980 women

02:06:52.740 like

02:06:53.560 don't be directly threatening, be broadly threatening

02:06:56.600 like have a threatening presence

02:06:57.960 don't be like I'm going to knife you

02:07:00.180 yeah well because here's the thing here's the real rule women like violent men they just don't

02:07:06.960 like knives yeah so it's like oh we don't look like the type of violent guy who's got a knife

02:07:12.880 but you like the implication club axe drill surprisingly because you're handy uh uh pistolas

02:07:22.660 pistols in the shapes uh in briefcases briefcases a briefcase bomb women black gun

02:07:29.700 flak gun yes uh the the acid goo gun from unreal um nail gun from quake there they dig you think

02:07:38.700 that's a knife it ain't it's a different thing oh dimes what about a spear yes to spear because

02:07:46.520 you can do a lot of the spear you can do different katas you can hit them with the end of the spear

02:07:49.880 with a knife what are you gonna hit her with the handle what are you a fucking faggot

02:07:53.340 uh what else whip samurai sword you got at the flea market uh samurai sword you got a flea market

02:08:01.360 yeah well i feel like we're i feel like we're getting back to knives

02:08:05.260 we really it's a machete fuck uh um um mace the part of the mace that sharp no you did knife

02:08:16.200 again buddy whoa buddy chain uh whipping around a chain um uh this is all a bit what don't do

02:08:31.460 any of this uh melina katana forgot the fans the fans with blades that's a different thing i

02:08:38.060 wouldn't you know what's really feminine though i'm i think i think we're stuck on knives like

02:08:43.580 if you're gonna bring a gun don't bring a pink gun like come on sonic boom cannon sonic boom

02:08:49.540 cannon there you go joker makeup there's other ways to be threatening wear joker makeup or like

02:08:55.340 a punisher t-shirt punish dress like sting wcw's sting just like a just like a professional wrestler

02:09:04.460 but from like peak wwe like late like 1997 you gotta have like the black and white face paint

02:09:11.320 and the rings

02:09:13.080 The most lethal weapon of all, dressing like

02:09:15.600 the crow

02:09:16.240 Isn't it great that Sting

02:09:19.560 the wrestler can just

02:09:20.800 they said, what if the crow was a wrestler

02:09:23.020 and they just got away with that

02:09:24.340 Riding a motorcycle

02:09:27.840 up someone's crotch

02:09:29.600 and then grinding it on them so their crotch

02:09:31.500 turns to putty

02:09:32.660 No, that doesn't work

02:09:35.760 It's more of a process

02:09:37.100 It's more of a comment, really

02:09:38.540 um we've been doing this bit for like five minutes poison

02:09:45.220 what are we talking about

02:09:49.800 things that happen in final destination hit by a log all right we got to end this

02:09:58.160 are you still recording yes we think we're just talking

02:10:02.660 it's a good workshopping session let's go drowning in water drowning in tea drowning in

02:10:08.900 rc cola isn't threatening it's a way that you die drowning it's a thing you do it's a thing

02:10:15.700 yeah but it's not threatening we're talking about how you can be have a threatening aura

02:10:20.100 that gets you a girlfriend well your hands don't have to be wet just you're saying you need to

02:10:26.840 drown in rc cola no i'm sorry but i i can't follow you there man why is his hand so sticky

02:10:36.000 why is it sticky then there's all these insects stuck to it

02:10:41.100 how do you think i met my wife i've heard a lot of different i think i i think i pull so many

02:10:50.520 bitches i think we became the number one feminist podcast in the sector okay we gotta get that's

02:10:57.680 true that's a fact we've i'm glad that we didn't talk about a very good book

02:11:02.920 i read a 600 page book and i'm like nah i'm gonna talk about

02:11:10.880 we are we are out of time but i i did what on a serious note the whole concept of hypergamy

02:11:19.760 and women as a resource and total fertility rate i think needs to be discussed more often

02:11:27.900 not as an independent issue but as it relates to all of the other democratic problems we're having

02:11:34.740 from like we're talking about democracy or we're talking about international politics it actually

02:11:39.640 does relate right if you go and i'm not going to get into a whole thing right now i'm just saying

02:11:44.880 the conversation's not over because it's going to come back up again again we're probably going

02:11:48.420 to reference this later it's where the rubber meets the road it's where everything goes down

02:11:53.140 to a single point in the gender dynamics of men and women in society everything is played out

02:12:00.300 upon that stage yeah if that is unhealthy then you know you got something going on anyway we

02:12:06.600 gotta get it's one of the basic parts of humanity anyway yeah no yes all right i'll talk to you

02:12:11.140 later we good i'll see you all right bye

02:12:13.920 are you there mate yeah you can hear me right i can hear you a little bit quiet but i can't hear

02:12:34.720 you oh okay let me just get close to them like can you imagine it fucks up again

02:12:38.840 the thought did go through my head

02:12:41.840 the thought did go through my head

02:12:43.660 but I mean I've set us off on a bad enough foot

02:12:45.540 by sort of introducing you with Brian Adams to be honest

02:12:47.760 although actually to be honest some of his 80s stuff

02:12:50.260 Run to You is kind of quite good

02:12:52.260 I'm not wild about Summer of 69

02:12:54.580 I think that's a very cynical song

02:12:55.980 and I kind of like it, I've probably done you no favours

02:12:57.840 by introducing you with that really

02:12:59.160 but yeah I mean Brian Adams for the record

02:13:01.980 during the summer of 1969 would have been 10 years old

02:13:04.600 and I think the 69 he's referring to

02:13:06.720 judging by one of the lyrics later in the conversation

02:13:08.500 is not the calendar year so there's a bit of there's a bit of lewd trivia for you all regarding

02:13:13.980 canadian singer songwriters he's also a vegan and quite an esteemed professional photographer

02:13:18.900 brian adams i don't know if you knew that about your compatriot but there you are i had no idea

02:13:23.440 because i'm a huge fan of canadian music but i don't know that much about brian adams he's a bit

02:13:28.640 of a meme but i know the slide to brian adams really but fair enough yeah but but if you put

02:13:33.840 bright arms on in a room full of canadians they're gonna get into it so it still works

02:13:38.520 yeah thank you i honestly last time was the worst it was a living nightmare what happened last time

02:13:46.320 because i am a fan i wanted to establish that i said that last time i'll say it this time i'm a

02:13:50.440 fan of the show and i was coming on and the worst possible thing happened i was putting my fist to

02:13:56.320 the fucking wall and i i chose to interpret it later as a bit serendipitously because i was

02:14:02.420 going on millennial not long after i'm like okay that's right this revealed some technical problems

02:14:08.680 and then of course all of my chat all of my fans they're saying oh they call him dimes because

02:14:13.700 that's what he pays for his internet i'm like i'm like oh okay so i actually went and bought

02:14:20.240 the highest package possible and bought like another router put it right by the computer so

02:14:25.420 if this fucks up it means i've done something horribly wrong in this life or another

02:14:31.220 well i think as i did tell you off air when we sort of had our kind of preliminary call earlier

02:14:36.180 in the week you're in good company because i had technical problems of my own i mean you know i've

02:14:40.200 had a few big hitters on the last few months i had morgoth on in february and i had millennial

02:14:44.040 woes on in april in both times major technical problems and that's how old the fort for me

02:14:47.660 um some of it was actually just to do with um some of it was actually just to do with uh

02:14:53.680 stream yard as i said to you stream yard tends to be kind of quite thirsty on i don't know if

02:14:57.460 it's cpu or what it is by the way i mean i don't know whether you've got any means to directly

02:15:00.220 controlling your game, but my mate Shane,

02:15:02.340 big fan of your show, by the way, has said

02:15:04.280 try turning your game up about 20% to 30%.

02:15:06.440 I don't know whether you've got the mean to do that. We'll manage fine

02:15:08.300 if you haven't, but yeah.

02:15:09.400 Yeah, yeah. Hold on.

02:15:12.400 Let me try this.

02:15:13.980 I can't tell which direction it's going. How about

02:15:16.400 now? Does it sound any better? That's pretty good.

02:15:18.500 Yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah, that's nice.

02:15:20.000 Yeah, clear as a bell.

02:15:22.460 Yeah, Canadian music. I can't

02:15:24.240 say I'm massively worse, and I did introduce you last time

02:15:26.300 with a bit of propaganda, because I'm kind of an

02:15:28.100 any excuse man where propaganda you're concerned though they are kind of insufferable leftists

02:15:32.620 you know as kind of melodic thrash punk goes pretty good group um yeah and i saw them live

02:15:38.100 like a few years ago yeah yeah yeah i saw them i had a bunch of hippie friends kind of rural guys

02:15:44.460 and uh they were like anarchist friends and so they were a question of propaganda it seems like

02:15:49.780 just silly enough that it's i don't take it seriously politically like the name itself is

02:15:55.200 kind of ridiculous i'm like yeah whatever yeah you know yeah they were from um i would have

02:16:01.260 mentioned this last time they're kind of formed around well they're kind of gig mainly in winnipeg

02:16:06.960 but yeah they were from a place called portage la prairie which i'd never heard of until i'd

02:16:10.660 heard of them but there you are yeah i think last time we ended up on a whole tangent about

02:16:15.800 canadian music and i was gonna i was going off and you got a lot of questions about it didn't

02:16:20.320 you yeah yeah a lot of people were saying what the fuck were people saying they're

02:16:23.880 shooting out some names i think someone said tragically hip and there's like some big ones

02:16:28.080 everyone knows and then there's like all these like alanis morissette someone will throw up as

02:16:33.100 like a joke but then there's like all these other second and third tier bands that are big like

02:16:37.700 there's a lot of canadian bands that are big in europe a lot of like canadian rock bands like

02:16:41.920 billy talent is for some reason huge in europe i saw them at leeds in 2003 yeah yeah yeah you

02:16:47.960 want to talk about like a leftist band that's not anarchist that had just had songs about

02:16:53.260 loving refugees and stuff like i had to stop listening because it was a bit too much

02:16:58.380 billy talent with that with that band for you yeah yeah because you know i mean i'm trying

02:17:05.860 there's when i think of canadian bands there's there's not a huge amount that are overtly

02:17:10.220 political but you know that was one of them and like oh and alexis on fire too i guess i can't

02:17:15.640 listen to them anymore because they've gotten really weird anti-patriarchy types i don't know

02:17:20.160 if any of this is landing with the audience because i can talk about this for seven hours

02:17:23.740 i'm yeah i never got i never got room i never got into alexis on fire they're one of those

02:17:28.080 bands that were adjacent to stuff i like but i never got into i was probably i was probably

02:17:31.120 getting a bit long in the two to get into new stuff i mean jay has mentioned god speed you

02:17:34.100 black emperor now i've got a feeling oh yeah they are quebecois montreal band because i'm a big fan

02:17:38.900 of uh dead flag blues i've got given f sharp a sharp infinity as a gift once yeah yeah i was

02:17:45.540 big into that in high school i went through a real peak of experimental music experimental music

02:17:51.800 ladies and gentlemen it's just the music um just i'm gonna give a shout out to this hip-hop artist

02:17:56.760 i like that just came out with an album i don't know if anyone's gonna know him his name is buck

02:18:00.820 65 he's a uh from nova scotia white rapper guy and he just came out with this album called super

02:18:07.600 dope which is i think one of the best of his career so if anyone likes that sort of thing

02:18:11.800 in our scene you know everyone just listens to wagner and like vaporwave but if people like

02:18:18.100 bands and things that's a good one i think some of i think some of them do i mean yeah book 65

02:18:23.860 so nova scotia so trailer park boys country then you know somebody gave me the trailer

02:18:27.080 park boys dvds in about 2007 and i never returned them um that's a great man that is such a perfect

02:18:34.500 show for a few seasons it's kind of like it's always sunny in philadelphia it's like skip the

02:18:39.580 first one but there's like a chunk of between seasons like two and like six or five where

02:18:45.560 there's nothing better than it and i haven't checked in in years because it's it's lost its

02:18:50.400 soul yeah i can't remember how far i got with it i was maybe into the second series or something

02:18:55.680 like that i'm not sure but i mean pure no matter yeah dead flag blues is amazing regardless of

02:18:59.700 god speedy black emperor's political stance yeah it is it's quite it's quite incredible obviously

02:19:03.500 east hastings is then famously used in the early stages of 28 days later um commander george

02:19:08.640 Lincoln Rockwell speaking to Canadian musicians said Gordon Lightfoot just passed away in April

02:19:11.820 yeah Gordon Lightfoot I was a big fan of uh if you could read well I'm not a big fan of if you

02:19:16.000 can read my mind to be honest because uh yeah a bit too poignant really if you could read my I

02:19:20.740 think it was called if you could read my mind yeah that was Gordon Lightfoot um but uh I'm sure

02:19:26.520 because I I didn't hear that song until I heard um two years after hearing the greatest love of

02:19:32.640 all by Whitney Houston but he was uh Gordon Lightfoot sued the writer of the greatest love

02:19:36.840 of all by whitney houston and i kind of immediately knew why when i heard if you can read my mind for

02:19:41.980 the first time and actually heard it through my old man singing it on the karaoke but yeah michael

02:19:45.140 masser of of the tribe in case anyone is wondering that's a great way to first hear it for karaoke

02:19:51.220 like that's the first yeah the first exposure is your dad singing it yeah well i've had i've had

02:19:56.560 that with a few songs i mean including one or two that i sing on the karaoke notably and this is

02:19:59.880 also this this was written by uh jewish right uh backstage by gene pitney which i sing in the

02:20:05.740 karaoke and i heard a bloke in wales who's a really good singer singing that but he sings

02:20:09.900 he sings it a few steps lower i sing it in the original key but it's bloody hard work at the end

02:20:13.480 i'll play us out on a stream with that one night folks i'll play us out with backstage by gene

02:20:17.280 pitney but uh you'll hear the you'll hear the top end of my range but you just won't hear me doing

02:20:21.820 it because i'd probably bottle it sat here in a chair but uh but yeah there we are yeah gordon

02:20:26.600 gordon lightfoot that was a that was a good song that one uh the woodlander is with us uh good

02:20:31.180 footballer on on on the quiet is uh is simon as i said midweek he's like beckenbauer just slows the

02:20:37.500 game down makes everything look like he's got time very much like his videos you know if you

02:20:40.420 watch him in his videos he speaks like he's got all the time in the world plays football in the

02:20:43.940 same way always a step ahead um so yeah there we are i was camping with the woodlander last week

02:20:49.520 dimes i don't know how familiar you are with simon's stuff but uh the woodlander i love the

02:20:53.860 woodlander we had him on our show i'd say one of if not the top five one of the top three interviews

02:21:00.580 we did he is oh i can believe that yeah he talks about stuff that like a lot of our guys over here

02:21:06.280 myself and my host judas and we're always talking about literally doing what he's doing and so

02:21:11.640 yeah it's rapt attention i know that people were listening to that yeah he's only got short legs

02:21:17.740 but he does walk the walk with him i can guarantee you that and he's yeah and he's got every bit as

02:21:21.120 much poison a football pitch i can tell you that as well they walk the walk because they have short

02:21:26.580 legs that's well the walking does but to the legs yeah right enough yeah that's true it's like all

02:21:31.560 these memes you see on instagram about about kind of like basically people over six foot lamenting

02:21:35.640 the fact that people under six foot you know they've only got to get a cent of a dumbbell and

02:21:39.180 apparently they pile on muscle um that's that's the way sort of rangier people perceive those of

02:21:44.060 us under six foot um well i i don't know how you know graphic like to get in the show but there is

02:21:49.300 like the conventional wisdom that we're all aware that the guys who have sex the most have the

02:21:53.160 smallest dicks i mean that's just i read that somewhere it's factual enough okay

02:22:00.340 i honestly wouldn't know whether that was true or not

02:22:05.000 okay okay open with a gay joke follow it up with a small dick joke this is going to be a good ass

02:22:13.500 interview ladies and gentlemen ask being the operative word from the sounds of it yeah um

02:22:19.480 It's funny because I was actually, I mean, well, actually, I'll save one of the other

02:22:23.040 things on the agenda for later on because there isn't actually really quite such a good

02:22:25.720 segue into that as I thought there might be.

02:22:27.860 One thing I thought we could, in fact, actually, I've not done the usual formality, well, not

02:22:31.340 even formality, quite the opposite, informality.

02:22:33.260 I've not done the usual small talk question that we do on these streams.

02:22:35.780 Well, in fact, it doesn't really apply as much to you five hours behind, but okay, what

02:22:38.880 was your last meal is probably the better way to phrase it.

02:22:40.960 It's noncommittal, but yeah.

02:22:41.920 I want to talk about the first time I came on here because my first appearance, I got

02:22:47.040 my wife aside i said listen this is a big deal and we i made a meal that was going to be a good

02:22:53.240 story and it was like we made we scratch made carbonara pasta uh we made our own noodles made

02:22:59.600 the sauce got some pancetta did the whole thing and that was going to be a story uh today i don't

02:23:05.900 think we're going to have time to do that um we might just end up getting ramen unfortunately um

02:23:11.160 or sushi i don't know because like one of the things is that we had a son born recently he's

02:23:17.380 around three months old congratulations thank you very much and for those out there who know

02:23:22.180 what i'm talking about it kind of throws a wrench in your ability to throw to make big cool sudden

02:23:29.240 dinners if it's not meal prep ahead of time you know it's it's not happening so it's either we

02:23:35.220 go and buy something or you know i'm talking about lasagna i made two weeks ago so the first

02:23:40.740 meal for that first if if people were here to hear that that was a good one imagine i made that

02:23:46.140 tonight right enough well we'll go with that we know we were only derailed by technical problems

02:23:52.020 beyond our control so that that'll do for me uh i had the i had pizza tonight i've not been i've

02:23:57.300 not been on the strict gym meals because i've had a week off and i'm not actually put that much

02:24:00.680 weight back on so i'm reasonably happy and i've still got a bit of tricep definition so i'm not

02:24:04.440 too unhappy but i'll be getting back on a getting back on a bit of schedule from next week oh just

02:24:09.680 just a regular like a margarita one nothing extravagant nothing extravagant nothing wildly

02:24:13.880 unhealthy as pizzas go not that any of them are terribly healthy um so yeah that that's about it

02:24:20.100 really um i'm just gonna have a quick check how are things going on entropy all quiet i think

02:24:28.400 although i'm gonna have to refresh and they didn't like me refreshing for whatever reason

02:24:32.120 Here we are. Well, I'll tell you what, actually, Holman Talk

02:24:34.060 donates $14, which is very kind of him,

02:24:36.040 and he says, have a few dimes in honor of dimes. Hail.

02:24:39.720 I don't do me.

02:24:40.420 I see one comment here. Ask him

02:24:42.080 if he's a craft dinner enjoyer.

02:24:45.100 I can address that

02:24:46.100 right now. I don't eat

02:24:47.980 craft dinner. I'll eat

02:24:49.660 President's Choice macaroni

02:24:52.300 and cheese. Over here, we've got

02:24:54.160 a grocery store brand called

02:24:55.580 Loblaws. They've got a brand called

02:24:57.640 President's Choice. They make

02:24:59.940 type of boxed mac and cheese

02:25:02.400 that is regarded

02:25:04.280 by people who know things as the best one.

02:25:06.420 So that's the one I go for.

02:25:08.260 Okay, well, there you are. President's choice.

02:25:10.820 I wonder if it's President Trudeau's

02:25:12.320 choice, but he's been mentioned. He's not

02:25:14.120 president, is he? Is he a President Trudeau?

02:25:16.620 No, he's a Prime Minister, but

02:25:18.140 if you want to get some

02:25:19.920 Vargas on your side, you'll call him

02:25:21.440 Comrade Trudeau or something like that.

02:25:24.560 Right, okay, yeah.

02:25:26.040 And allude to his mother's extramarital affairs and whatever.

02:25:28.220 um yeah um nc pigeon has said brian adams and gordon lightfoot are the best canadian musicians

02:25:33.840 in my opinion uh bare naked ladies were canadian weren't they they are like there's a lot of bands

02:25:39.940 like the tragically hip that are kind of at that level where they're big enough for people outside

02:25:44.340 of canada no uh but yeah bare naked ladies they're still around too but they're not as big as they

02:25:48.620 used to be yeah um the bare naked ladies are pretty big in this country yeah they're pretty

02:25:55.040 big in this country uh what was i going to say there was another one i was going to say actually

02:25:58.040 um they were obviously had arcade fire there was i've never got into broken social scene but i

02:26:04.220 know them by name there was another group they had a song that was on an advert i think it was

02:26:07.440 an iphone advert years ago and it's a bit twee but i actually got to like it i'm looking for the group

02:26:12.340 now uh i'm not going to subject you all to me singing it but who was it oh the new pornographers

02:26:19.000 with the group i think they're a canadian group i might be wrong now they start listing them i'm

02:26:22.360 like damn there's a lot because i think um metric is one metric and they've got uh music and tons of

02:26:27.780 ads and soundtracks all over the place i'm pretty sure they're canadian i saw them live yeah speaking

02:26:33.880 of um yeah you mentioned a canadian rapper you mentioned book 65 there's a guy isn't the guy

02:26:39.480 tom mcdonald yeah he's canadian and he's kind of been somewhat anti-woke yeah he is he's from uh

02:26:45.800 it just says british columbia he's yeah lived in british columbia in alberta that's all it says

02:26:49.680 fucking way he is i know it because i listen to um there's this other rap group named swollen

02:26:54.520 members that i was fans of like since i was in high school there's a rapper there named mad child

02:26:59.300 who did an album with tom mcdonald like last year so but it's one of those like anti-woke

02:27:06.100 anti-cancel culture nothing too on our side more like yeah yeah uh this feminist stuff is not too

02:27:12.820 far but you know nice enough i guess i've said i see i've saved i've saved the best for last time

02:27:19.700 do you remember uh i think we're roughly the same age i'm 38 i think you're a bit younger than me

02:27:24.000 might be wrong i've saved the best for last snow snow was from toronto yeah yeah everyone he's a

02:27:32.100 guy that everyone was going to make fun of forever and then it became like cool to ironically like

02:27:37.120 him again so i checked in on snow again and i think i was going like vanilla ice everyone later

02:27:43.000 on said oh you know what he was pretty good and yeah yeah i i was reading about snow like just

02:27:48.480 last week like whatever happened to him and you know he he i think you can put on snow and have

02:27:53.460 a good time yeah yeah i mean do you know what like i was um i don't necessarily condone this

02:28:02.800 but I was driving back from a bit of a nationalist get-together last December.

02:28:14.400 Bad things can happen when you let a woman control the music

02:28:18.180 because Miley Cyrus came on at some point, and she's steadfast.

02:28:20.920 She didn't exactly deny it, but was caught like a rabbit in the headlights.

02:28:23.620 And I said, was that Miley Cyrus?

02:28:24.600 She said, it might have been.

02:28:26.460 But we had a little bit of Doja Cat on, and I share the song Sesa.

02:28:29.520 Now, Doja Cat is half South African, half Jewish, but a tune's a tune.

02:28:32.640 up to a point and um i kind of i had a bit of a flex i had a bit of a flex on on the people on

02:28:40.300 my off topic channel there's no canadian link here i think she's from los angeles she did once

02:28:44.640 get admonished for a song called dindoo basically i think just kind of like mocking mocking men of

02:28:49.960 her own kind or half her own kind but i kind of basically said right then time to annoy some

02:28:55.160 people yay said that millionaires wear their wealth in the form of ostentatious jewelry while

02:28:59.040 billionaires don't because they have nothing to prove

02:29:00.860 half-arsed racists pretend not to like stuff

02:29:03.140 like this the good ones however have long since

02:29:05.020 passed the point of feeling the need to be that dishonest

02:29:06.940 and just enjoy it the world's a

02:29:09.080 fucking mess and for the time being

02:29:11.020 we're stuck with it laugh at it where you can and make

02:29:13.120 the best of it p.s. she's half south african

02:29:15.040 and half jewish annoyed one or two

02:29:17.000 people that did and i'd do it all over

02:29:19.060 again doja cat's

02:29:21.280 one of those artists that you know i'm

02:29:23.040 starting to show my age where i it takes me

02:29:25.120 a while to know

02:29:26.760 what is cool in the mainstream my wife is a bit younger than me so she kind of knows but i know

02:29:32.320 doja cat is a one of the more accepted ones her and like billy eilish they're these names that i

02:29:39.180 hear i'm like okay they seem to be popular with our side of things i think that's weird i mean

02:29:46.840 billy it's funny enough doja cat um the the the the mighty side respect respect that i just

02:29:53.040 mentioned had said uh she's really pretty though doja cat and i'm like nah she ain't i googled

02:29:58.960 doja cat no makeup and then showed her and she's like okay yeah no no she's not she's she's

02:30:03.500 definitely not and you you wouldn't really expect it with that combination let's let's be let's be

02:30:06.920 straight about it but enough said on that what we what we might actually do is uh is get on to it

02:30:11.500 in fact before we get to a subject or two i'm going to humor a little bit of the entropy stuff

02:30:15.060 first of all courtesy of nc pigeon so first of all he said how does tony soprano open a terry's

02:30:20.640 chocolate orange he wax it very good that's also what i do um he's then written as some uh he's

02:30:28.440 then written as some bars in the style of my former tassob co-host nativist concern i don't

02:30:33.640 know if you possibly forgive me if i asked this last time i probably didn't have cause to but i

02:30:37.900 was on a podcast some years ago called the absolute state of britain i'll assume you weren't familiar

02:30:41.580 with it um but i know about that oh okay fair enough well nativist concern by his own admission

02:30:49.860 quite fond of traveling eastern europe looking for a wife and it kind of spawned a whole speaking

02:30:53.720 of rap it spawned a whole genre of lyrics among about three of my audience i even had to turn my

02:30:59.200 hand to it myself for a while but this guy can just this guy can come up with the similes way

02:31:02.760 better than i can so i just gave up i just deferred to him so he's written he's written this

02:31:07.160 he said uh see the problem is with this i can see his first couple doesn't rhyme because he's

02:31:11.660 rhymed jew with trudeau unfortunately so we're just gonna have to go with that but he's put

02:31:16.280 got no time for schizos who won't name the jew yeah i can't have truck with him like i'm justin

02:31:21.140 trudeau say the 14 words and birds pants are dropping and i talk about the present order like

02:31:25.900 deliver i deliver christmas shopping yeah he's thrown me a bit there with spelling mistakes in

02:31:30.020 his own in his own in his own typing so like that's your fault i'm going to blame that on

02:31:34.400 unc pigeon the final lyrics were say say the 14 words and birds pants are dropping i talk about

02:31:39.580 the present order like a like i deliver christmas shopping okay right fair enough yeah anyway okay

02:31:45.600 yeah here's something we did start to talk about last time

02:31:48.720 and I think it's when the lag really started to sort of affect us

02:31:50.880 and it feels like a long time ago now

02:31:52.440 because for a lot of us

02:31:54.980 you know some more so than others

02:31:56.540 the whole kind of COVID period feels like

02:31:58.820 quite a distant memory because a lot of stuff

02:32:00.540 on the surface at least did return

02:32:03.040 to normal but one of the most

02:32:04.920 notable a lot of people remember Australia

02:32:06.960 and everything and it's interesting because I remember

02:32:09.000 when everything that was going on in Canada was happening

02:32:10.660 I told my family about it they had no idea because it wasn't

02:32:12.980 getting covered in our media here

02:32:14.160 there were massive protests in canada of course as a lot of us will remember in the early part of

02:32:18.680 2022 and the canadian state took some measures which set some quite alarming precedents um

02:32:26.980 we probably got into a bit of an on the ground insight on some of that last time but i would

02:32:32.560 have struggled to hear it because we would have been talking each other talking over each other

02:32:35.280 with with the lag now we're another sort of seven months on from that now however um

02:32:41.480 yeah a lot of precedent set a lot of disturbing things happened the scale of it was heartening

02:32:46.560 but the way in which it was dealt with less so i mean particularly in light of what we saw this

02:32:49.560 week we saw that the fundraiser for the french police officer unceremoniously shut down by the

02:32:54.300 by the by the french state and we saw similar things in uh in canada but yeah i mean tell us

02:32:59.620 what tell us whatever we need to know about that that we might not i suppose and just general

02:33:03.220 observations on it and the kind of the before and after of it really well i think you touched on the

02:33:07.740 most important part, which is that I think the only weapon that can be wielded against these

02:33:12.500 people right now is financial in nature. So we talked about this, we talked about this on our

02:33:18.700 show as it was occurring, and my opinion hasn't changed that much. So the Canadian trucker protest

02:33:25.060 is a fascinating phenomenon. And one of the main reasons why it was allowed to happen was because

02:33:32.780 that the canadian infrastructure and the canadian you know police state as we call it isn't that

02:33:38.940 well developed it's nothing like america um and they've outright said this before aside from

02:33:44.740 counterpart here to like the fbi and things like that you would say yeah yeah so like our version

02:33:49.720 of the fbi would be csis and we talked about this on the show how csis for many decades has really

02:33:54.560 been infiltrated by the chinese communist party that's a separate thing but that's one of the

02:33:59.420 reasons why because canada is a member of the five eyes uh organization and i think canada in the

02:34:04.120 five eyes is probably the blindest eye and i don't think it's taken that seriously but that again

02:34:09.140 that's another thing entirely aside from that um the make no mistake the canadian state apparets

02:34:16.480 would have loved to crush the trucker protest it just couldn't there were just not enough cops

02:34:21.260 not of boots on the ground not enough money and that's what doesn't get brought up a whole lot

02:34:25.700 with canada it's that there's not a lot of capital to support what it wants to do

02:34:31.420 um i know over in the uk do you expect that to change in the wake of the precedent set with

02:34:35.980 with that or are there any signs that it has um i i think that there's two things they're counting

02:34:42.060 one is that they're trying to spook people at the financial thing and that's kind of what i was

02:34:45.280 getting at which is the protest itself i i would say accomplished everything it's set out to do

02:34:50.220 because it wasn't like a far-right nationalist protest it was kind of a mainstream conservative

02:34:54.580 maybe libertarian style protest so it's not like they wanted a big crazy ask they didn't want to

02:35:00.620 install like national socialism or anything um and so you know it accomplished everything it wanted

02:35:05.500 to do but i do think that in the light of the state's inability to start rounding up people

02:35:11.960 the weapon they have at their disposal is financial in nature and i think the fight and this is

02:35:17.400 something that you see in america as well this is something you're going to see everywhere

02:35:20.060 um and antifa know this as well but getting people arrested is one thing getting them

02:35:24.980 debanked as they call it um is something else entirely and another good guy to talk to about

02:35:31.200 this if people want to know a bit more is there's a guy i interviewed on my show called jeremy

02:35:35.900 mckenzie also goes by the raging dissident he's a guy he's been face docs he's famous you can find

02:35:41.920 articles written about him he's a guy who a veteran uh served in the military and he his

02:35:48.380 girlfriend got debanked just recently um he his pension his military pension was being threatened

02:35:54.460 because of his outspoken views and this isn't like a nazi guy this isn't someone who's bad optics

02:36:00.660 is he a canadian this guy yes right so he's just kind of you know on the right not not far far

02:36:09.020 right so it's not like he's doing anything crazy and yet still got he lost his pension or he's

02:36:14.960 get he's trying to get it sued to get it back so you know they can let him you know they can hassle

02:36:21.120 you and really the way the banks work in canada are very interesting and they might be like how

02:36:28.120 they work in the uk um they're a lot more nationalized so the big banks there's like

02:36:32.940 four or five big ones it's not a lot in canada they really work hand in glove with the government

02:36:39.260 They're highly, highly nationalized. So this idea that you can just be debanked and then you could roll out that sort of libertarian arguments like, well, they're a private company. They should be able to do whatever they want. It doesn't work like that. But the danger is that by attacking people financially, you don't seem to rile up a lot of defenders.

02:36:59.980 so for example the conservatives probably won't come to you because they will say what i just

02:37:05.020 said that oh it's they're a bank you know a bank can just choose not to do something so you've lost

02:37:10.080 a lot of the conservatives in the right there the libs aren't going to defend you you don't have

02:37:14.160 that automatic you know fervor that rises up to defend you and i think they've they've seen that's

02:37:19.360 an effective way to threaten people because if you don't have a bank frankly just if people don't

02:37:24.220 know i know everyone knows this but if you don't have a bank you're kind of fucked you know like

02:37:28.360 if you don't have a bank you can't really log in to the your government internet account because

02:37:34.360 you know everything is done through internet here and they're partnering with banks if you don't

02:37:37.880 have that you're less of a citizen in a way so a lot of people it's it's just complicated enough

02:37:44.840 that it doesn't have that narrative power that someone being arrested has i think that's why

02:37:49.420 yeah yeah it's there are a lot of interesting things i mean first of all nigel farage as of

02:37:54.900 the last week or so is claiming here that he's been debanked after 40 odd years with the same

02:38:00.080 bank and um more tellingly if this is legitimate what he's saying because i know big sam media

02:38:05.960 from patriarchal turn have expressed his doubts as to whether or not it's entirely the case but

02:38:09.700 he claims as of what i last saw to have been rejected by another eight or nine banks which

02:38:15.500 again suggests if that's true and i could well believe it suggests central coordination i mean

02:38:19.860 the woodlander of course is kind of counter signaling saying banks are so overrated on the

02:38:23.740 other hand he wanted to get a dominoes last bit last week was lamenting the fact that they won't

02:38:27.220 take cash so he can't um if i've got that if i've recalled that correctly but yeah the farage has

02:38:33.760 been pointed out i mean it's interesting what you say as well about the debunking as an effective

02:38:37.340 strategy because yeah there's a certain amount of deniability when it comes to it as a the idea

02:38:42.260 of it is a kind of a tyrannical measure um i mean i i mean one thing we'll perhaps get on to as well

02:38:46.840 is um laws governing speech in canada because i don't know a lot about it there and we'll get

02:38:51.760 on to that but kind of as a prelude to that um you you may well be aware that i think in the past

02:38:57.500 it's in it's over a period of like less than seven weeks it was in this it was in the space of about

02:39:02.200 five in total we saw like uh like three nationalist dissidents that i can think of off the top of my

02:39:08.380 head alone um either convicted and sentenced or convicted and then remaining in custody until they

02:39:14.960 get sentenced in this country like between sort of mid-may and and the end of last month because

02:39:19.760 you had james allchurch aka sven longshucks ashley podsiad sharp formerly of the tassel

02:39:24.500 podcast that i was on likewise christopher kearney aka charlie big potatoes also formerly the tassel

02:39:29.280 podcast and when when christopher kearney was sentenced i mean one of the things one of the

02:39:33.360 points i made was uh um what's so frustrating about the way and it's testament to their success

02:39:42.780 in a certain regard one of the things that's so exasperating about the nature of the tyranny

02:39:47.560 under which we live is um the average person just can't really comprehend it like the point

02:39:55.240 that i made was what's so infuriating and exasperating is and again it's testament to

02:39:59.400 how well the regime manages those under its yoke through various means almost none of the wider

02:40:03.600 public realize just how evil and illegitimate it is because it doesn't feel their collar

02:40:07.000 now they do suffer the effects of its agendas but because neither they nor anybody they know

02:40:12.400 is getting directly oppressed by it in terms of being thrown in jail having a bank account take

02:40:16.080 away. They don't really have any comprehension of how tyrannical and malevolent and illegitimate

02:40:20.900 it is. They can just go on thinking that it's just incompetent in letting all these millions

02:40:23.960 of people in a year and whatever else. So it's hard to make people understand. No, it is a regime

02:40:27.820 you live under. They just go easy on you so as not to radicalize you more. But when people genuinely

02:40:32.340 stick their head above the parapet, yeah, they get their door smashed in. They get their bank

02:40:36.340 accounts taken from them. They get put in jail under the most ridiculous pretext and there you

02:40:40.300 are. So it's interesting what you say regarding debanking, particularly where, as and where it

02:40:44.660 applies in um in a country where as you're saying basically the security state is not as well funded

02:40:49.760 it's not you know it's not as effective that five eyes just to clarify for anybody that's basically

02:40:53.700 the security services of the anglosphere countries you know basically you know britain america canada

02:40:58.880 australia and new zealand that's basically it yeah yeah you raised a couple of very very good

02:41:02.740 points there and something i i just want to echo what woodlander had said which is who gives a

02:41:07.460 shit about banks i agree and actually my co-host judas he is adamant he's an anti-bank guy um and

02:41:14.360 one thing about canada that's very interesting i work in marketing i don't know if there's a

02:41:18.920 lot of people are going to sign off because of that but i work in marketing one thing about

02:41:23.480 one thing about canada is it's very slow to adapt to technology um and that's like japan tends to

02:41:29.960 be the one that really jumps in feet first or whatever it is uh like canada was really really

02:41:34.840 slow to adapt you know the phenomena of paying with your phone you know we were like a cash

02:41:39.960 society for way, way longer than a lot of other countries. So we're not there yet. The way I see

02:41:46.100 things going, you're going to eventually, everything's going to be cars. They're trying

02:41:50.600 to usher out cash as a form of legal tender. And it might not happen right now. I don't know how

02:41:57.160 to fight that. I'd be open to a conversation, a larger conversation about how to cling to cash,

02:42:04.120 or maybe it's crypto, I don't know, to fight against that. Because I think it's a

02:42:09.820 problem that's not on a lot of people's radar now you had raised another good point there

02:42:14.560 which is getting people to sort of stand up and notice things and this is something we talked

02:42:18.900 about in our last episode we were discussing this book called um american diplomacy by george

02:42:25.000 kennan and oh yeah i studied quite a bit of george kennan as a history student actually oh great and

02:42:30.740 so and we're leading that into another uh talk next episode we do like a one book per episode

02:42:35.900 uh the next one was a big one but uh power among nations by hans morgenthal and one thing he gets

02:42:42.280 in that book is the power of the status quo and that's what's on my head it's hans morgenthal

02:42:48.300 any relation to henry morgenthal of the morgenthal plan which is basically just to de-industrialize

02:42:52.200 and starve germany after the second world war i wondered that i didn't look it up but that's

02:42:56.240 where i knew morgenthal from but it might they might be related and they're both geopolitical

02:43:01.700 related right but um the power of the status quo um and that is what i think we're dealing with

02:43:07.380 here because one thing we talked about on the show is boomers and we don't like to engage in

02:43:12.700 this intergenerational war that a lot of people on the right end where it's like fuck boomers

02:43:16.760 can't wait till boomers die i don't like that it seems counterproductive but there is truth to say

02:43:22.680 that when boomers pass on i don't think people have really thought about how radically everything's

02:43:31.060 going to change because the boomers generationally are holding up a lot of institutions or they're

02:43:36.340 they're the ones who are defending a lot of certain things like for example and this is

02:43:41.120 kind of to um um woodlander's point that right now most people want a bank account because they

02:43:48.240 want to be part of the financial system like the boomers because what do the boomers have they've

02:43:51.620 got capital they've got land they've got a pension fund they've got all kinds of things woven in that

02:43:58.040 system and you have two to three, I'd say two millennials and zoomers and gen alpha who are

02:44:04.480 already kind of acclimated to the idea that they're not going to have that they're acclimated to the

02:44:08.380 idea that by the time they're 70 social security, as we know, it probably won't exist. It just

02:44:14.540 doesn't make financial sense, but that's way off, but it's coming. So you might have a couple

02:44:19.660 of generations that are already psychologically decoupled from that status quo of that financial

02:44:25.460 system. So I don't have the answer, but I am interested in young people who want to have a

02:44:30.900 conversation of what does your future planning look like if it's completely decoupled from the

02:44:35.820 system? Because I think this generation, these like Gen Z, Gen Alpha, and millennials could

02:44:41.020 probably make a go at it. Whereas boomers and Gen X couldn't even think about not having three bank

02:44:49.580 accounts and two pension funds and just living in that ecosystem. But they're also the ones holding

02:44:55.960 up the status quo. And that's the other thing I was getting at, which, and I think what's

02:44:59.720 interesting is looking at the difference in generations that I think with millennials and,

02:45:05.420 you know, going off from there, there's more and more people who are not as invested in the status

02:45:11.260 quo, meaning, you know, everything that, you know, I think academic age might call this the boomer

02:45:17.160 truth regime i don't use that terminology but there's a kernel of truth in there that a lot

02:45:21.920 of the historical narratives might disintegrate once the boomers kind of shuffle off this mortal

02:45:28.240 coil and i like imagining preparing for that in a sense there's a whole wider discussion that we

02:45:35.460 probably haven't got time for it tonight but a whole wider discussion that could be had about

02:45:38.400 the what the implications of that would be both good and bad um maybe that's one for another time

02:45:43.700 let's get into it and these are big big discussions that's like the whole demographics is destiny

02:45:48.860 discussion that's a big fucking discussion and that's the ramifications of that are 50 60 years

02:45:54.880 off but it's like it's almost so big it's a mountain in the like in dune when uh paul says

02:46:01.220 when he can see the future he can see the mountain in the distance but he can't see the details and

02:46:05.380 how you get there like i think we all see the mountain but we almost don't want to look at it

02:46:09.460 Because I don't I don't know what you do about that. That's scary for an individual to contemplate.

02:46:17.100 It is. I mean, it's funny, actually, I'm in one or two groups where there's a certain amount of lighthearted kind of individual basis boomer hate, you know, among people in trades, you know, people who've got like massive houses going, oh, I'm a poor pension.

02:46:31.700 Yeah, you've paid off the mortgage on your house that's worth over a million pounds, you know, landscapers and, you know, lads in the trades, you know, and they're out grafting all hours.

02:46:39.200 they've got you know if they have a day off work you know no they don't get any sick pay and

02:46:42.640 whatever else and uh you know there's a lot of kind of content for our relatively easy boomers

02:46:48.320 had it but the thing the point i always make is i mean ultimately first of all a lot of the things

02:46:53.540 that people have you know people say well oh look at you know look at heart seller in america look

02:46:57.340 at the race relations act in britain i'm sure there were counterpart things at some point down

02:47:00.500 the line in canada like you know some boomers were of age when this was happening well a lot

02:47:04.360 of them weren't first of all and secondly even if they were like they had a fucking clue what

02:47:07.340 it was all for because people haven't got a clue now like realistically yeah like i understand the

02:47:12.400 lamentation of the boomer mentality and everything because they did have it easier in certain ways

02:47:15.980 cradle to grave and all the rest of it and they did have more they had a higher trust society and

02:47:20.420 more security in a lot of ways i don't want to get into all of it now but um who's who are worse

02:47:25.480 like them or the average liberal millennial the average liberal millennial has got much more

02:47:29.480 egregious views there is a bit more polarization in millennials and younger than the perhaps is in

02:47:33.160 boomers and we're you know an example of that polarization but yeah it's also just the fact

02:47:39.180 that by and large it's it's kind of like blaming the normies for everything it's like well really

02:47:43.600 as exasperating as they are when you see their indifference to a lot of things and how easily

02:47:47.720 misdirected they are yeah that nevertheless isn't the problem it's not the normie that is the problem

02:47:52.240 that the problem is basically hostile outsiders and the the success they've had with subversion

02:47:56.100 over the centuries to the degree that they control you know that they literally control

02:47:59.980 people's minds through control of you know academia media and therefore all the kind of

02:48:03.620 narratives and yeah like a whole truth regime that's the real problem you know that's why it's

02:48:07.680 so hard that's what you know sometimes i mean i've used the expression with the same people i was

02:48:11.260 talking about just of like um normie face when you get normie face from people when you just

02:48:16.320 ask a question from outside the overton window and they just glaze over like they're kind of

02:48:21.460 just shocked by like you said okay so the thing the thing with immigration is we're told we need

02:48:25.300 it but what do these people do we can't do ourselves that we can't survive or thrive without

02:48:28.220 and then they're kind of like nothing you're like yeah right so start thinking and acting

02:48:33.300 accordingly and looking at it in that way but like you get this phenomenon like it's particularly

02:48:38.020 prevalent in boomers where like i know people that have talked about it where they said well

02:48:40.780 look i could be in a much better position than i am were it not for the fact that like

02:48:43.660 my boomer parents attitude to retiring or paying off the mortgage was like let's spend a shitload

02:48:48.900 of money on going on a cruise or let's have a fucking fishing pond put in the garden for like

02:48:52.820 40 grand or something exactly let me just say yeah you catch me on the wrong day and it's total

02:48:57.600 boomer death this is like yeah we're all like that with normies as well yeah yeah yeah like and so

02:49:02.840 i'm not immune to that sort like i can go on for 20 hours about yeah things that i think boomers

02:49:08.700 are doing wrong and refuse to fix currently yeah on the other hand you know you raise a good point

02:49:14.120 i think woodlander had made a comment in the in the comments here i'm not just trying to focus

02:49:18.260 on him but you know he's talking about decoupling from the system and i think that's what makes me

02:49:22.140 so interested in millennials and zoomers because i think generationally they have internalized

02:49:28.380 there is no political solution because that's an easy thing to say it's an easy thing to say

02:49:32.700 there's no political solution but then still get excited about uh this politician or that

02:49:37.660 political party if you genuinely believe there's no political position you check out of that

02:49:42.660 discussion entirely then you say okay what now what do we do and that's why these generations

02:49:48.280 I find more interesting conversations about starting communities off grid, about how do we centralize our power?

02:49:54.660 How do we get our own financial networks going?

02:49:57.940 And, you know, we're not there yet.

02:49:59.700 It's still very chaotic.

02:50:01.360 That's why I think it's a historically unique period.

02:50:05.140 And one thing I always ask, and I don't have the answer for this yet, but I'm always wondering, you know, with the boomer thing, I'm like, what resources can we, to lack of a better phrase, extract from them?

02:50:17.120 Because I remember I was reading a story just the other day that boomers as a generation represent 75 trillion dollars of wealth in America.

02:50:26.580 That's an insane amount of money.

02:50:28.880 And that's spread across, you know, assets and everything.

02:50:31.920 But I'm like, you know, there's got to be something there to pass down.

02:50:36.200 There's got to be something there for our guys who've got legitimate businesses, who have legitimate projects that are ready to go prime time.

02:50:43.980 and i i'm not trying to like blame any particular person but i know there are people on the right

02:50:48.280 who don't even want to talk to boomers they're a lost cause fuck them i'm like no no no i mean

02:50:53.240 there's there's good boomers and they might have something to pass down that we could actually use

02:50:58.300 to centralize our our power outside of this system and what's interesting about canada

02:51:02.880 is that the lack of infrastructure and the lack of what you might call a police state like you

02:51:10.200 might see in america means that there's more opportunities for driven groups to accomplish

02:51:16.620 that in my opinion there's more opportunities for people to take over a small town to buy land and

02:51:23.300 you know to go to a place where people can't see you not to do anything nefarious of course but

02:51:28.060 just to accomplish your goals because the all-seeing eye is still kind of blind here

02:51:32.980 take advantage of that stupidity in a sense well that may lead us on actually to the next

02:51:39.180 kind of bullet point that I'd noted

02:51:41.240 down, which we'll come on to. There's a bit of entropy that I just

02:51:43.280 want to go through quickly. First

02:51:45.280 of all, my co-hosts

02:51:47.460 Shane and

02:51:48.340 Homatalk have been very generous. Homatalk, first

02:51:51.260 of all, with, in fact, no, tell a lie.

02:51:53.640 Shane with $15, which is very kind

02:51:55.280 of him, and he said, massive blood satellite enjoyer.

02:51:57.200 This is long overdue. Also, tell

02:51:58.840 Dimes to crank up the gain. Another

02:52:00.960 G here, whatever. Okay, G, I think, is

02:52:03.280 whatever.

02:52:06.380 Irish euphemism.

02:52:07.260 i turned it up just a bit more does that sound any different it sounds fine to me yeah okay uh i

02:52:13.620 think he's i think he's just being autistic but generous at the same time so i can't really slate

02:52:16.800 him too much autistic but generous that's what the ladies call me yeah that's pretty much what

02:52:21.580 they call me as well actually believe it or not yeah um homo talk as well as telling me i look

02:52:27.180 like i'm gonna kill him that's a recurring thing but they seem to like that because those are the

02:52:30.860 ones that keep coming back they're ending up in the freezer you know so you know i always say

02:52:35.920 said on our show like that girls like a guy who's just there they turn around you're there they look

02:52:41.520 in the mirror there you are ah they like that they they they see they seem in my experience as i say

02:52:48.840 because i as i say so many times i look in the mirror and i see my eight-year-old self staring

02:52:53.020 back with a beard and tired eyes but like you know they they seem they seem to like a bloke

02:52:57.500 who basically looks threatening and which again actually makes evolutionary sense because the

02:53:01.500 idea is that they've got some kind of hold over you where you won't be like that to them unless

02:53:05.320 they seriously step out of line but you could be with the rest of the world so they're a bit better

02:53:08.880 off they're a bit safer for having you around um you know they're safer on your arm than somebody

02:53:13.200 else's you can't it's one of the few things with women now that you can't actually fault too much

02:53:16.920 they've been so subverted and like you know conditioned in the wrong directions in other

02:53:20.500 ways but that one holds true you know yeah you can tap into that sort of primal urge of theirs

02:53:26.240 by carrying around a battle axe i have a suspicion this is what most of that pagan stuff is about

02:53:30.900 i think they're trying to tap into that savagery to get those ladies because you know i look i

02:53:37.460 thought about carrying around a battle axe and walk around in a long boat too

02:53:41.740 you can't you can't even carry a fucking toothpick around in this country so i have

02:53:48.120 to compensate for it by just fucking scowling seems to work just dragging a fucking long boat

02:53:53.900 up this road yeah well you'd be you'd be yeah i mean you'd be surprised at how much you'll get

02:53:59.500 left alone if you just look like you're having the worst day ever and you're about to fucking

02:54:02.420 snap um it's called we do a little being silly yeah yeah i mean yeah in my case i think it once

02:54:10.580 got i once got told i got don't fuck with me energy so you know black digital calling tola

02:54:15.700 the refugee heartthrob listen i'll i'll take it if it keeps working um i think shane might have

02:54:24.760 had a drink because he's been inordinately generous tonight but we'll come to that but

02:54:27.420 Before we do, Homer Talk, likewise, my only friends are my co-collaborators.

02:54:30.800 He says, with another $14, he says, and he's right,

02:54:33.820 and he's very generous as well.

02:54:34.920 He said, we can't talk about Canadian entertainers of any kind

02:54:37.480 without bringing up the late great Norm, the best of all.

02:54:40.660 Well.

02:54:41.680 Ah?

02:54:42.940 What?

02:54:44.080 Ah?

02:54:46.780 That was one of my favorite things.

02:54:48.000 He did a Huffington Post thing where he was on HuffPo Live or something,

02:54:51.940 and he did one of those where he did that.

02:54:53.460 He threw it in.

02:54:54.000 he was mocking the kind of like the

02:54:55.780 he was mocking the worship of like

02:54:57.920 sexual marginal types

02:55:00.160 and he did

02:55:01.660 do the kind of like the hard of hearing

02:55:04.060 elderly relative thing during it

02:55:06.360 I love Norm MacDonald

02:55:07.840 so much it's unreal

02:55:09.760 and you know when he passed it was a big deal

02:55:11.880 like I owned like first edition

02:55:14.220 of his autobiography

02:55:15.360 one of the best books like funny it's fake

02:55:18.220 half of it's fake but it's still funny

02:55:19.760 he's like I don't know like a genuine

02:55:22.220 character a guy like you don't know how much of it's real how much of it's fake is he is he

02:55:27.820 telling the tall tale but there's like an electricity to that you don't really see that

02:55:31.060 anymore no no it's yeah it's he was definitely quite unique i mean he had an amazing ability

02:55:36.940 to sort of make the right people very uncomfortable by them not knowing shit am i

02:55:42.320 gonna laugh or not am i being mocked am i gonna laugh am i being mocked well then he'd wink at

02:55:46.680 the audience enough where he has that line that i think everyone on our side took which was

02:55:50.940 someone had asked them oh you know what's cis mean he's like uh it's trying to marginalize

02:55:56.380 normal people i'm like that's perfect that's such a perfect little nugget that you could roll out

02:56:04.440 in any given situation you see on this channel we talk a lot about we i the royal we i talk a lot

02:56:11.820 about tyson fury and his red pills for grugs that's a bit of a red pill for grugs yeah just

02:56:15.540 like, yeah, cis is just to marginalize normal people. Racism is the same thing. Racism is just

02:56:21.560 to marginalize, to pathologize a normal white person's reaction to diversity. Yeah. One thing

02:56:26.560 I'm fascinated with, again, because I'm into marketing and advertising is taking these ideas

02:56:32.620 and if I can explain them to my mom, like we talked about talking to normies, like if I can

02:56:37.660 take this really idea that they're abrasive to right away and kind of slip it past them. I guess

02:56:44.740 you would call this red pilling i don't usually like that terminology but like i'm obsessed with

02:56:50.100 that obsessed with like how can i position this in a way that they'll accept it and you can get

02:56:55.940 the people to agree with admit to a lot of stuff surprisingly if you have the patience and i use

02:57:02.500 my mom as an example because she's completely not tuned in to any of this stuff but if i can

02:57:07.880 if i can get her to understand it i'm like good that means there's hope absolutely yeah no i mean

02:57:14.720 i could probably pick your brains on that from the point of view of being working working in

02:57:18.520 marketing and people shouldn't scoff at that uh people shouldn't scoff at it because actually

02:57:22.520 and it interests me particularly because i don't really like talking and i do sometimes but where

02:57:27.060 i do it tends to be because there's an angle on the psychology of it or the kind of the mass

02:57:30.240 manipulation of it but i don't really like talking about news stories i mean i talked a fair bit

02:57:34.120 about there was an atrocity in a city city in the east midlands over here called nottingham a couple

02:57:38.660 weeks ago where some african immigrant went on a rampage and killed three people and we talked

02:57:44.220 It was talked about a lot in our circles, this side of the Atlantic,

02:57:47.400 about the way the British state are very proficient in this,

02:57:52.200 managing the public response and directing it away from anger

02:57:55.280 and retribution and accountability and towards just vague saccharine notions

02:57:59.920 of all solidarity and all this kind of stuff.

02:58:03.300 Don't look back at anger and all of that.

02:58:05.700 From the point of view of someone, yeah, to work in marketing,

02:58:08.220 obviously you'd be able to put it much more eloquently than I could,

02:58:10.840 but you obviously have to have an understanding of how to push people's buttons

02:58:13.600 psychologically and you know the way to kind of the ways to lead people so actually that's quite

02:58:18.620 it's an invaluable thing for us to have in the sense of like yeah trying to trying to make our

02:58:22.240 own ideas which shouldn't be that hard to market i mean in a sense they are because you're up

02:58:26.560 against like the whole apparatus propaganda wise and sort of mass conditioning wise but

02:58:30.900 they're innately more appealing to people because what you're offering is something which is

02:58:34.260 generally speaking for them other than utter degenerates a world in which a lot of people

02:58:38.560 would be happy a load of people that bet too much on the football and drink too much and have maybe

02:58:43.140 been too promiscuous in their lives would he actually be they would be happier in a society

02:58:46.920 with slightly more standards yeah not everyone would but a lot of people would i was going to

02:58:51.480 say a lot of people you know i get why people don't like marketing and there's a lot of people

02:58:54.880 in our scene who have probably approached marketing by being extremely media literate

02:59:00.820 in some other way or i always tell people like um what helped me the most in marketing was reading

02:59:06.140 psychology textbooks so if you're into psychology you're probably going to be into marketing too

02:59:10.620 it's just the application of that yeah what i always tell people is that you know people think

02:59:14.940 of marketing they think of you know big evil corporations but you can also apply marketing to

02:59:20.540 your startup to a local shoe store uh for example like i mainly do work with small businesses

02:59:26.640 and i prefer working with small businesses so if you are like a local tree cutting company

02:59:32.360 i'm your guy i like i enjoy that and i'm a bit of a psycho like that because this is something

02:59:38.040 my wife's in this too she's in marketing so as dorky as it sounds we do this for fun like if you

02:59:44.540 present us with a business problem the more difficult and niche it is the better because

02:59:51.100 anyone like there's marketers and advertisers like they just throw money at a problem that's

02:59:54.740 easy anyone could throw fucking money at it but if it's like if you are a small business in a

02:59:59.360 specific region and you it's heavy competition like how do you how do you make that work that's

03:00:04.820 sort of the puzzle that we like to do and once you explain like that like a lot of people

03:00:08.620 kind of get it you know anyway yeah not to go too much into that but

03:00:12.220 well i mean speaking of manipulating people so shane's popped up with another three dollars just

03:00:17.760 to say also mup to do dinner and then another five to say pomo good bitter and then he's followed

03:00:24.520 it with another three dollars to say my brother in christ i'm actually quite compass mentis just

03:00:28.980 feeling like a flush man in a strip a cheap strip joint lol uh well listen who am i to argue

03:00:34.680 who am i to argue mate uh cheeky tear quotes on me when we're back over nc pigeon said earlier on

03:00:39.400 speaking of canadian groups how about some 41 yes i did like fat lip um actually the couple

03:00:45.160 couple of songs on their second album were good um part i can't remember what it was actually

03:00:48.920 called but part still waiting was good that that part of me won't agree that was actually quite

03:00:56.440 good buddy i unironically still listen to some 41 they have an album called 13 voices that's

03:01:03.000 pretty good because some 41 it's a fusion of punk but also like metal guitar it's not a metal band

03:01:09.160 but there's certain there's like solos and these like metal flourishes in there that's

03:01:13.880 kind of interesting and i i'm again you're at an age i'm in my mid-30s so are you where

03:01:19.240 i still listen to from my 20s and i'm way past caring about it i'll put on some 41 yeah yeah

03:01:24.600 Yeah. No, I wholeheartedly kind of back that because they were just fun.

03:01:34.940 You know, you go and listen to some 41 songs and they were just fun and actually good.

03:01:38.140 They're actually fucking good at what they did.

03:01:39.720 I don't know them that well. I think a mate of mine had the first Sum 41 album

03:01:44.020 and I maybe listened through to it once and then they had the second album

03:01:47.220 they followed up with and a couple of songs of that, yeah, were legit,

03:01:50.100 just fucking really good. I don't know the songs well, but yeah,

03:01:52.400 there was i think the hell song is the one i'm on about the hell song actually yeah that one that

03:01:56.060 i just mentioned he it was about um like what one of uh one of his friends had got hiv through like

03:02:06.020 having unprotected sex once or something a real problem it was about that yeah so there you are

03:02:15.660 It's about having sex with a Canadian girl.

03:02:19.740 Is that a reputation, is it?

03:02:21.720 No, no.

03:02:22.280 I'm trying to introduce new...

03:02:24.400 We had a joke on our Joe

03:02:26.340 that the Canadians are a separate race,

03:02:28.040 so I'm introducing Canadian racism.

03:02:30.800 Oh, okay.

03:02:31.300 Fair enough.

03:02:31.860 Right.

03:02:32.080 Well, yeah, if you want any help with that,

03:02:33.380 then yeah, I'll...

03:02:34.960 You know, if ever sort of my dubious,

03:02:38.000 modest talents can be turned to developing that,

03:02:39.900 then just let me know.

03:02:40.920 But speaking of Canada, yeah,

03:02:42.180 one of the other points I've got,

03:02:43.220 and I mean, it's interesting actually

03:02:44.340 in light of you mentioning

03:02:45.080 kind of the of the five eyes the canadian one is perhaps the blindest and the absence of a kind of

03:02:50.520 quite such a well-developed and quite such an oppressive security state i was curious again

03:02:56.360 particularly in light of what i was talking about with you know three people that i kind of knew to

03:03:00.340 one degree or other going to jail in this country within the past sort of six or seven weeks what

03:03:05.320 the laws are like in canada what the laws i mean i do remember because i you get it one thing that

03:03:10.320 there is a lot of in canada i don't know whether it's there as much now but you had a lot of

03:03:13.520 countered you had an alt-light type stuff like there was the toronto sun you had michael coran

03:03:18.760 and tarek fatah that i used to see when i was in the counter counter to how many of you obviously

03:03:22.460 had ezra levant and the rebel lauren southern x y and z there were some things that were being

03:03:27.860 pushed through that related to like protection for criticism of religion and stuff but i was

03:03:33.420 curious as to what the laws are like and also as significantly if not more how punitively they are

03:03:41.660 utilized and applied um because it's it's fucking terrible in this country and getting worse all

03:03:47.360 the time but yeah yeah that's a good question so first of all um to your point yeah there was a

03:03:52.620 moment i think we called that the alt light and canadian content creators always had a pretty

03:03:58.640 prominent position in that movement so you also had your gavin mcginnis's yes um and there's a

03:04:04.080 few others i think there's still guys like stephen crowder that still kind of do that he's canadian

03:04:07.680 as well as far as i know yeah um that kind of died faith goldie was probably she's not around

03:04:13.280 anymore yes of the crop i would say i liked her the most i tried to reach out to her yeah she

03:04:18.560 was the edgiest because didn't she get like she got kicked off the rebel because she spoke to

03:04:22.140 andrew anglin after charlottesville or something like that oh yeah she went on um the on the daily

03:04:26.500 show right after that and uh she was a bit more in that scene and she got in trouble because you

03:04:32.240 know a lot of the you know i'm telling people stuff they probably already know a lot of the

03:04:35.920 anti-islam stuff came from a zionist perspective i mean we don't need to go too too much in that

03:04:41.820 if you want to avoid that but i think people are kind of aware like ezra levant um would have a

03:04:48.180 horse in that race especially if like from what i've heard ezra levant you want to join rebel

03:04:53.720 news we'll get ready for a trip to israel to film a bunch of shit there it's like okay yeah you know

03:04:59.140 and then gavin mcguinnis famously just went along with that and still does to this day

03:05:02.640 and i don't think faith goldie was as big into that but we'll see um so that was an era they're

03:05:09.520 still around um if i had to think of an outlet that i'd like it would be true north news i would

03:05:15.340 say they're in that more mainstream adjacent sphere but they're more friendly to our type of

03:05:20.520 stuff um so the laws this is an interesting discussion so the anti-islam stuff isn't really

03:05:28.660 there anymore even in our scene it's not there if anything the distant right writ large is kind

03:05:33.660 of pivoted on that and really really is looking at islam as like an option now i've seen a lot of

03:05:39.540 that recently i don't subscribe to that but that was sort of a pivot that happened in the past few

03:05:43.840 years um that's not me obviously um but the laws canadian law is interesting so canadian law is

03:05:51.640 built largely off of british law british common law i wonder whether that would be a yeah a feature

03:05:57.880 of it but yeah it is um and so this this changed around the between the 60s and the 80s as well

03:06:05.240 as canada was starting to develop its own stuff canada it's you know what we call the canadian

03:06:10.220 constitution is not that old it's only a few decades old um but uh so the canadian law we

03:06:16.540 covered this on the show there's a clip we did uh covering the canadian constitution and what's

03:06:20.960 called the canadian charter of rights and freedoms which is mostly what we're going to be talking

03:06:26.720 about right now i'm not gonna go too too deep into it but i'll give you a bird's eye view um

03:06:31.180 so what's interesting about the canadian chart of rights and freedoms is it's very very long

03:06:35.840 which actually is not what you really want in a legal document like that because there's all

03:06:41.640 kinds of asterisks and fine print and caveats in there what you would like is something like

03:06:47.780 the american bill of rights or the american constitution which is sometimes americans get

03:06:53.160 criticized for that but that is what you want you want something that's clear and direct and i think

03:06:58.720 a lot of canadians not all obviously not a lot of our genius fans but a lot of canadians due to our

03:07:06.940 proximity to america probably think we share the same laws and we don't um mainly if you read the

03:07:13.800 canadian charter of rights and freedoms it's a there's two words or two terminologies that

03:07:19.080 you're going to come across one is the word reasonable and two is the word spirit so

03:07:26.800 almost everything you can think of every rule that protects free speech for example

03:07:32.440 is caveated by saying within reason within reasonable limits within the spirit of the law

03:07:39.140 and i don't need to autocomplete this for people they know you know what is reasonable changes

03:07:44.060 year over year, month by month. So this would make sense to the Anglo mind, the Anglo mind of,

03:07:51.720 well, we all know what's reasonable a hundred years ago, but once you introduce new demographics,

03:07:56.480 once you introduce new populations, there is no reasonable. And what that does, the way the law

03:08:02.380 is structured is that gives a lot of leeway up to the particular judge in that moment, which is not

03:08:09.200 what you want. In one sense, you don't want that. In one sense, that's how some people have been

03:08:15.220 able to skate by so far, the fact that we just have an overburdened system. There's not enough

03:08:20.760 judges. But if we get there, it could be just left up to a judge. So if, for example, our hate speech

03:08:27.400 laws are pretty much the same as yours. We're not supposed to say anything that, you know, we have

03:08:33.260 free speech within reason. And what is that within reason? Well, it says the Charter of Rights and

03:08:37.120 freedoms, as long as it doesn't infringe on the safety or well-being or essentially the feelings

03:08:43.280 of anyone else. And this is all fluid. This is all up to. So if someone wanted to emerge and

03:08:50.580 prosecute me, raise an issue, there's no doubt in my mind it could be carried to the end and I could

03:08:56.760 be imprisoned. The question is, are those people going to emerge and is the judge going to do it?

03:09:02.740 You know, that all that all shakes out later. But if there was a concentrated force that wanted to get me arrested for most of the stuff I've said on the show, they probably could.

03:09:12.600 And in our show, we attempt to we don't go crazy with things. You know, we try not even with our jokes, we try and catch an extreme, extreme irony or whatnot.

03:09:22.620 But, you know, it doesn't take a lot to make a claim that you have threatened someone's well-being with your words, because you can also make the claim that, oh, words are violence, like the same stuff we've seen time and time again.

03:09:35.440 And there's no real protections for people. So it's limited only, once again, by Canada's limited infrastructure, in my opinion.

03:09:43.720 But we also have what are called human rights tribunals, which are interesting. They are courts that exist kind of parallel to the main court system. So a human rights tribunal, and I've gotten into arguments with people before, especially libs who want to come at me and say, they're not anything. I'm like, okay, so a human rights tribunal is like anyone can make a complaint about you for anything.

03:10:06.480 It's this sort of extrajudicial group made of just people, and then they will try the case, right?

03:10:13.420 And then they might assign you a fine.

03:10:15.520 And there's been a couple of comedians in Canadian history who they've said a joke and went to a human rights tribunal because someone complained, and they got to pay $10,000, right?

03:10:24.280 And they said, it's just a fine.

03:10:26.320 And I say, okay, well, what happens if I don't pay the fine?

03:10:29.640 Well, then you owe the money.

03:10:31.480 Well, what happens if I don't pay?

03:10:32.460 Well, then they arrest you.

03:10:33.280 so it's an extrajudicial court that functions in any event as if it were a court so if i can

03:10:40.180 clarify then so so the the human rights tribunal then it's it's sentenced you know if you're kind

03:10:44.820 of well convicted is possibly not the correct terminology but it it doesn't amount to a

03:10:49.600 criminal record yeah you don't need to even uh make a complaint that anything was against the

03:10:54.140 law so a court yeah judge whether or not this is against the law and there's even terminology to

03:10:58.280 make that icky but icky who the fuck am i anyway uh the human rights tribunal like it could be any

03:11:04.140 fucking complaint it's like small claims court it's just like a bunch of people if someone says

03:11:08.960 they made me feel uncomfortable because of a joke they can just decide that you owe that person

03:11:14.800 money irrespective of any law and then what my point was well it still functions as if it's a

03:11:21.120 regular court because if you choose not to pay what happens well eventually it ends with you

03:11:24.700 getting arrested right the debt doesn't go away right so it's a special court they made to just

03:11:30.700 to try their bullshit now again this is limited in my opinion by the fact that antifa isn't as

03:11:40.640 active here it might be but it's you know we have like hope not hate and a couple other things i

03:11:45.540 think but it's not not as much as america this is just my from where i'm standing because i live in

03:11:51.940 ontario which would be the hub of these motherfuckers and i don't see a whole lot here

03:11:59.140 not compared to what you might have over there so again it might just be i'm skirting by because

03:12:06.160 it's you know we're not big enough yet frankly but you know i've prepared you know me and my

03:12:12.140 wife have talked about this where you know you sit down and have a very serious conversation

03:12:15.900 a serious conversation that I bet everyone in our sphere does which is like look I'm not going to be

03:12:22.640 egregious I'm not going to just flippantly put my especially I've got a wife I got a kid you know

03:12:28.380 we start asking different questions when you have these responsibilities but I'm also in a position

03:12:33.560 where this is what I believe to be the truth this is what I believe to be important I am not going

03:12:38.800 to sacrifice that my wife isn't either my wife aligns with me on all of my views but we've

03:12:44.920 prepared like what happens when that knock on the door comes what are we prepared to do and you can

03:12:48.980 only prepare so much obviously but you know it's you always feel like you're waiting for the other

03:12:54.500 shoe to drop i frankly i could go another 15 years or it could be fucking tomorrow you don't really

03:13:01.120 know and you know i've i've internalized the the creativity of the legal system to persecute you

03:13:10.980 if it decides that you're a target so and i would apply this to the uk i would apply it to america

03:13:15.900 too that if they want you they will get you the law doesn't really fucking matter and we've seen

03:13:22.340 that we've seen that big big cases where you know they just made it clear that they're making an

03:13:27.560 example out of you so show me the man i'll show you the crime yeah so you know what what is your

03:13:32.800 capacity to be made an example of that's a other type of conversation but you know it's it kind of

03:13:40.100 Like I said, internalize the reality of it. It's like, well, you know, it's probably going to happen. But like we're always saying, we want to impart enough wisdom and help centralize the power where they can't take as many things from you.

03:13:55.380 And this will sound pretty morbid. But one thing that occurred to me just last week is, you know, I'm somewhat blessed that so many of my grandparents are no longer with us and my everyone else in my family is retired because it feels like that's one less thing that could be leveraged against me.

03:14:13.500 And that's not like they can go out for my mom's job.

03:14:15.940 My mom's fucking retired and she's drinking piña coladas and they can't take her piña coladas.

03:14:21.860 I've tried, but, but you know what I mean?

03:14:25.640 Like there's, there is a little bit of freedom there, but then there's the extra responsibility of like your kids and what, what's the myriad.

03:14:32.700 But also the reason you're doing this is because, well, I'm living in a reality where I don't want my kid trans and taken from me.

03:14:39.600 So you have, it feels like it's beyond your control.

03:14:43.200 it's a duty right that's a bit of a rambling answer i hope that was what you're looking for

03:14:47.600 i mean i mean to condense it like basically the law sounds like it's i mean you've even got like

03:14:53.800 something like a counterpart maybe even worse actually to the phenomenon we have over here

03:14:57.800 which you don't know a lot about but it's just a sinister concept the non-crime hate incident

03:15:01.140 you know you've got these human rights tribunals now it's it sounds really as though and we'll see

03:15:07.280 how long this lasts i suppose particularly in light of the the the shock that the canadian

03:15:12.440 regime would have got last last beginning of last year with uh you know the trucker protests

03:15:17.420 and that but it sounds like the laws are kind of largely just as pernicious and just as weighted

03:15:22.400 in favor of power um rather than any kind of principle but there's maybe just not quite the

03:15:29.160 same impetus or infrastructure there to just go after people and smash their doors in over things

03:15:32.880 on twitter yeah as there is in because it's very very bad here i mean it's fucking incredible

03:15:37.800 that's why the financial stuff is is a bit more nefarious like that's something that they

03:15:42.540 can do and also just i'm sure there's a lot of people like myself who've been in this milieu

03:15:49.820 for a long time and they feel like you can't run anymore there's that bit of wisdom on our side

03:15:57.240 that you know you can't be left alone they will come for you they will not leave you alone by

03:16:01.740 they we mean the system we mean whoever yeah so there is this sense that like you know the law

03:16:07.300 will fold itself into insane shapes to come for you so it's like oh yeah i can sidestep this law

03:16:13.900 sidestep that law but the law will form to fit a hole for me in it eventually on a long enough

03:16:21.140 timeline if nothing else happens it will come for you and i think that's where a lot of people on

03:16:25.700 our side are thinking like i i'm tired of thinking ways to dodge the law because it's only a matter

03:16:31.720 of time until it it crafts itself in a way to take care of us it's going to be something we say

03:16:36.680 like all the people who try to be cute with their language or they try and spell a slur with a

03:16:42.280 certain way it's like they'll just add the new one to the list there's no way to outpace them

03:16:46.480 you need to figure out a way to confront it or exist in such a way where it can't take things

03:16:52.980 from you as easily that's a very vague thing to say but i think you know i'm getting at

03:16:56.280 yeah no no no that makes perfect sense i think intuitively to to us all we're all kind of on

03:17:02.200 on the same page on that um pleading holograms pops again with another five dollars he's gone

03:17:06.740 mad tonight and he said fuck it just toss into the fiver in there for shits and giggles well

03:17:09.840 by all means do mate by all means do um no chances that they have the same here in the uk but it's

03:17:16.160 state guidance for teachers they are looking to criminalize it under the new conversion therapy

03:17:20.020 ban scotland are going first then the rest of the uk yeah they seem to have carte blanche to uh

03:17:25.780 to lead the way in scotland just because you know there's there's such fervor among like the

03:17:30.420 smp contingent and that that like yeah let's let's let's be the most let's be the most fanatical and

03:17:36.540 ridiculous just to spite the english uh you know to spite those kind of reactionary english fascist

03:17:40.620 nazi tories um and that is yeah that's pretty much how kind of smp supporters seem to seem to

03:17:47.560 think of it um one of the more and this kind of goes along with some of the things we've said

03:17:54.080 tonight and it takes me back to an old episode of yours i listened to in advance of your first

03:17:58.420 appearance last december uh one of the one of the more kind of i suppose it probably attention

03:18:05.460 grabbing little bullet points i've got on our list was ted kaczynski was wrong discuss and then

03:18:10.640 i've added a note to it try pitching this stuff to women because i remember you and judas talking

03:18:14.660 about this when you had it on and it was kind of the idea of uh keith woods did a good video

03:18:18.400 recently in the wake of the passing of ted kaczynski saying well look you know ted kaczynski was right

03:18:23.220 about this he was right about leftists he was right about surrogate activity but in a lot of

03:18:27.420 other things like i don't think he was and even where he had a point you can't really go back

03:18:31.800 um and i think yeah it's it's recognized with people like kaczynski i think it's recognized

03:18:38.460 i'm not i can't really say i've read his manifesto but it's recognizing yeah he diagnosed some things

03:18:42.860 accurately but how many how many of the solutions are valid because one thing as i say the thing

03:18:46.720 that made me laugh was like uh it's all and good for us to get ensconced in this idea but like

03:18:51.320 yeah try pitching try pitching like a trad lifestyle to women yeah it's interesting you

03:18:57.100 bring up ted kaczynski and i don't think it's funny sorry before we go on as well it's funny

03:19:00.200 because simon the woodlander has just left us but he kind of he had a pragmatic approach to this as

03:19:04.140 well like yeah i want to live in the woods but i've got a wife and they like you know women like

03:19:06.840 things like washing machines and stuff but anyway as i say yeah the floor is yours sorry no no that

03:19:12.100 good point and ted kaczynski i don't think i would really disagree with anything keith had said either

03:19:16.640 that would probably be my take on it because i did read um his manifesto being covered on the

03:19:22.380 show i just read it a long time ago i didn't get to his most recent book which everyone says you

03:19:27.400 should read i think it's called technological slavery it's i think he develops those points

03:19:32.120 a lot better so um i might be missing uh big chunks of his thesis um i you know he's interesting

03:19:40.160 character we actually reviewed the movie they made about him called ted k which is interesting

03:19:45.860 there's a bunch of narratives about

03:19:47.620 Ted Kaczynski that are interesting

03:19:49.140 there's the one

03:19:50.560 that the left or libs are going

03:19:53.600 with is that he was like an incel

03:19:55.540 which is hilarious

03:19:56.560 he was painfully

03:20:00.000 accurate in his diagnosis

03:20:01.640 of yeah

03:20:03.400 they're kind of

03:20:04.900 basically what Edward Duncan would talk about

03:20:07.580 is the spiteful mutant phenomenon

03:20:08.860 to name one thing and the surrogate activity

03:20:11.780 and yeah anyway sorry I digress

03:20:13.580 the movie itself

03:20:15.680 it's just it's kind of like a joker that movie joker with uh joaquin phoenix except that like

03:20:21.360 the only reason he wants to destruct society is because he's terminally horny which is what most

03:20:27.360 liberals will say about people who aren't them it's just they're just so horny that they blow

03:20:31.420 things up um it's got is shartley cop shartlow copley the guy i like him as an actor and he's

03:20:38.140 actually good in it but it's a bad movie anyway that's one narrative the other narrative is that

03:20:42.560 he's like a based anti-tech guy that's probably closer to the truth there's another narrative

03:20:47.660 which is that you know you shouldn't like him because he was secretly trans that that kind of

03:20:53.160 came out with people who were trying to take him down to which i'd say well why wasn't he

03:20:57.840 because he actually wasn't trans the story was that he kind of went to a gender reassignment

03:21:02.700 clinic because you know with this will get me in trouble but you know with minds like his they will

03:21:09.580 flirt with more subversive ideas as a matter of course uh that's just in their nature but in fact

03:21:16.780 it seems like his experience at the sexual reassignment clinic turned him against that

03:21:20.720 whole thing because he realized that i actually don't want to be a woman this whole thing was

03:21:24.560 implanted in me whatever whatever but i would say like oh he was trans well why the fuck wasn't he

03:21:29.460 then because he didn't die trans by the way in an era where anyone could be trans anyway

03:21:34.040 um i do respect his writing for on technology simply because he's someone who thought about

03:21:41.940 the problem all the way to the bottom and i have appreciation for people who think about problems

03:21:45.880 all the way to the bottom like i would liken him to penty linkala um and we cover penty

03:21:51.380 difference being penty linkala didn't like kill anyone with bombs like innocent people

03:21:55.040 which which we disavow but yeah but you know he if someone did he'd be like okay because his whole

03:22:02.220 thing like pentilinkola if my take on him was if you are an honest environmentalist you kind of

03:22:09.100 need to be pentilinkola because he has thought about the problem all the way to the bottom and

03:22:13.500 the bottom is population control the population is deep it's depopulation and if you're not talking

03:22:19.960 about that well you're probably not an environmentalist you're some other political

03:22:22.860 actor so i don't agree with him he doesn't describe a world i would want but i respect

03:22:29.220 the honesty of what it would take similarly with ted k i am not an anti-technology guy

03:22:36.520 but i think if you are anti-technology you need to go as far as him like if you don't like to

03:22:42.320 yet to be against all of it it needs to be the sort of and prim sort of lifestyle so he is at

03:22:46.900 least honest about that and i i respect people who are intellectually honest um but on the other

03:22:52.820 hand you know i i don't fundamentally agree with i guess the the polluting nature of technology

03:23:00.660 or you know because there's a lot of ways you can look at this i i'll start by saying the main

03:23:06.840 problem that we were just discussing now which is how to get ladies involved um this is like

03:23:11.020 this is like an ancient problem this is like getting women to not want to live in a town

03:23:17.140 where there's a lot of you know social stuff going on is difficult so you would have had to deal with

03:23:22.580 this. If you were a colonist,

03:23:24.560 you would have had to deal with it. They were dealing

03:23:26.400 with this problem 800 years ago.

03:23:28.440 They've always been a pain in the arse, is what you're saying.

03:23:31.420 Yeah, yeah.

03:23:31.940 They always want to be close to a town. They always want to go

03:23:34.400 to a town. And if people have played Red Dead

03:23:36.540 Redemption 2, you'll know what I'm talking about.

03:23:39.240 Pretty much my entire understanding

03:23:40.520 of history is from Red Dead 2.

03:23:42.160 See, the thing is, I mean,

03:23:43.280 girl, I know, I once threatened to

03:23:46.020 just abandon her in the woods in the middle of Wales, and she said,

03:23:48.260 well, I'd be fucking delighted.

03:23:50.280 Just be like, you know, cutting about with the

03:23:52.320 fucking squirrels and that and it's like yeah true enough actually that's right this is why i say if

03:23:56.280 a lot of guys out there this is just a little aside a lot of guys looking for a type of girl

03:24:00.360 to get with um if you're a young guy especially go after hippie girls i'm all about saying go

03:24:06.800 yeah um but aside from that it's very there's guys have a certain way of thinking at least

03:24:13.660 like white guys men of our you know our scene you know i always joke yeah i i joke like the

03:24:20.200 the white guys want two things they want to own a boat and it actually doesn't matter what type

03:24:26.920 of boat and they want to retire into a lighthouse we like solitude we like being alone we want to

03:24:32.800 live in the woods and go insane that sounds cool making me think of that clip of the uh the so-called

03:24:37.380 trans man lamenting how lonely it is as a man recently and then like jf careppi you know sort

03:24:43.180 of saying well yeah yeah like we we want to be left alone that's it any guy who's married who's

03:24:50.680 got a long-term girlfriend you know they want to go out and this might sound like a glib way

03:24:54.420 of talking about but this is a deep psychological issue they got you gotta answer for because you

03:25:01.260 have to kind of make the woman want it because if you just kidnap a woman and take her out to

03:25:06.240 the woods and she's not on board with it she will take it out on you take it out on your children

03:25:11.460 there's all kinds of crazy shit that happens like there's guys who think it's like i'm just

03:25:14.820 gonna harangue her until to live in a cabin with me i'm like that's not you know i sound like a

03:25:19.460 borderline feminist when i talk like this but i'm like you gotta get the it's a partnership

03:25:23.460 it really is a partnership you got she's gotta want to do it otherwise she's gonna do something

03:25:29.980 crazy event go stir crazy right so you gotta like propose it in a way where it sounds fun and enjoy

03:25:36.820 my wife's like that like she's but she also says like it makes sense that we have a kid she's like

03:25:41.420 okay, we'll move out to a rural area, but can we at least be close to a hospital? And I said,

03:25:46.220 I never thought of that. I actually never considered that, but that makes sense in a way.

03:25:53.520 And so there's certain realities that you have to live with. And this is something I tell young

03:25:56.800 guys too. I'm like, there's certain realities that you have to grapple with, especially if

03:25:59.660 you want a woman, it's difficult that you'll find one that aligns with you politically out of the

03:26:05.420 box off the rack but you got to be able to explain it in a way that doesn't sound crazy because

03:26:12.840 they'll hear the ted kaczynski thing oh you want to live in a big cubicle and go crazy and like

03:26:18.760 collect newspapers there is a way to do this i'm sure woodlander did this many other guys do this

03:26:24.060 where it's like what we're not we're building a community which is what a lot of guys are actually

03:26:28.300 talking about we've shifted from i want to be a lonely homesteader to i want to start a community

03:26:33.940 with a bunch of like-minded people that is where i think people need to be um and so maybe maybe

03:26:40.720 ted kaczynski in his writings talked about that but you know who like i haven't read it so but i

03:26:46.780 think there's more people who are living in the gray area between the two of trying to negotiate

03:26:52.800 how much technology is useful like do people actually want to live like they're amish and

03:26:58.980 you want to do that just because you hate and also to keep in mind um this is something we tell

03:27:03.700 people do you hate the technology or do you hate the application of the technology and is there a

03:27:08.320 way to use the technology for good you know um and we can go on all kinds of different technologies

03:27:14.440 like is you know can you make your own search is the internet really mental poison or is there a

03:27:20.560 way to have an internet that isn't polluting and a lot of people want to tear down the system and

03:27:25.940 blow up everything that's actually it's it's easy and hard it's easy because it makes ideological

03:27:31.300 sense but it's also the most difficult thing to do it might be easier instead of like everyone

03:27:37.340 live in the woods and make it in this the other thing that the more separated you are from each

03:27:42.840 other and the more separated you are from uh central areas of power the more easier you are

03:27:48.960 to take out and i mean that both figuratively and literally that even if you want to decouple

03:27:54.940 from society you have to be thinking in networks and to their credit this is what a lot of like

03:27:59.040 homeschool parents do as well like you don't just have one homeschool family you've got a network

03:28:03.420 of homeschool families that build this sort of parallel community and i think the parallel

03:28:08.900 community model is the way to do it the ted kaczynski model is kind of a meme for us it's

03:28:15.080 funny i'm not sure how many people like all the big ted k fans i don't know how many of them read

03:28:22.080 his manifesto and that's fine you know that there's nothing wrong with that and to be honest

03:28:26.200 like why do i like ted kaczynski you know most people like him because he blew up bureaucrats

03:28:31.580 and that's okay disavow but also that's what he's known for people think it's kind of like a fun

03:28:38.080 thing to do okay but no one actually knows really why he did it and if you read his his writing it's

03:28:44.620 a lot of it's kind of like uh yaki's imperium it's a lot of like bitching about libs bitching

03:28:50.240 about feminism and stuff like that like you you'd probably agree with it but it's not terribly deep

03:28:56.900 if i can if i'm being honest um it's not like if you're going to read spangler or you know any of

03:29:04.260 these other guys it's not really going to like open your eyes to something new it's like a loner

03:29:08.360 guy at war with the world which is a it's nice i don't know if you can build your life around it

03:29:16.100 And I think maybe we're at a point in whatever this movement is where people are looking for something with a bit more substance on what to do next.

03:29:24.180 And maybe if it's a critique on technology, it needs to be a more sharply crafted critique on technology.

03:29:33.400 Because I think people on our side have internalized, I use that word a lot this talk, internalized that they probably can't stop technology from developing.

03:29:44.240 and if we are being cynical but realistic the odds are that transhumanism is coming down the pike

03:29:53.060 and there's there's nothing you can do to stop it there's nothing you can do to really stop

03:29:57.140 this train that's coming you have to figure out how to survive with it how to maybe guide it or

03:30:03.160 influence it but our dreams of stopping that runaway train i think and more than anything

03:30:09.680 they might just distract us that's my fear that was a wrangling answer too i apologize i hope that

03:30:16.800 answered anything you asked no it did no um yeah i think the point about yeah is it the technology

03:30:24.520 you hate or is it the way it's applied obviously we we don't have control over some of the ways

03:30:28.160 it's applied and that's kind of one of the ideas of living as independently from the system as you

03:30:32.380 can is to exert a bit more control you know just a bit more independent from a system that's going

03:30:38.740 to wield a lot of these things in malevolent ways now it's hard to do that perfectly that people can

03:30:42.240 probably do a lot better than they are that's why things like the woodlander initiative are you know

03:30:45.960 are so encouraging and the the fantastic start that's got off to is so encouraging i think they're

03:30:50.160 up to nearly 60 grand within like not much more than about two weeks um speaking of money 77th

03:30:54.900 grade donate three us dollars and say good evening toller and dimes and everyone in the chat we're

03:30:59.440 listening to what you have to say good then you might fucking learn something um anyway there we

03:31:03.940 are um speaking of learning something um the remaining kind of main subject i mean i don't

03:31:10.400 know if there was anything particularly you wanted to say you mentioned one um canadian content

03:31:14.140 creator i don't know if there are any others you wanted to mention before we talk about your book

03:31:16.840 about vanguardist journal but yeah oh oh sure yeah um there's we've had a few on our show um i know

03:31:22.320 we talked to endeavor recently as well but we'd also spoken with this really interesting guy by

03:31:27.160 the name of the black horse who's affiliated with that uh shieldings event that whole sector over

03:31:33.160 there um in terms of canadian content careers i mean i like the kino casino myself uh andy warski

03:31:39.300 and ppp you know i'm a big kino head um you know a lot of the old old ones i'm trying to think

03:31:46.280 there used to be like there's a period where there's a ton of canadian podcasts and that they

03:31:50.140 went away because they were kind of carbon copies of the daily show in one way or another

03:31:54.440 then they went away and now there's a new crop that's more interesting i think and then like i

03:32:01.060 there's the true north news like they'd probably be the most one that i would uh watch let me think

03:32:07.480 i should have had i was coming up with names before this and now i'm fucking blanking probably

03:32:12.300 i'll come up with some more like there's there's guys that i know like there's this little uh group

03:32:15.940 a couple friends of mine they have a podcast called the great white north um there they talk

03:32:21.340 yeah they talk about similar stuff um i i like those guys um if i think of any more i'll try and

03:32:28.540 come up with some we covered all the ones i don't like already um but you you've got a you've got a

03:32:35.440 book coming out am i right yeah well actually it came out um a couple months ago it's called the

03:32:42.080 colossal corpus of serious gloves this is it's not a political thing it's just a collection of

03:32:48.740 short stories primarily in the genres of science fiction and fantasy and horror so that'd be pretty

03:32:54.040 you know familiar to anyone in our scene because a lot of our guys make content like that but it's

03:33:00.780 uh stories that that i wrote and i produced the book myself um helped with design from a friend

03:33:07.120 of my name censored anon who's a great fantastic designer yeah yeah he does great work and yeah

03:33:13.080 i've been selling it through my site um my store called good suffer uh that's the use of v instead

03:33:19.880 of a you um and where we sell a bunch of shirts and other things related to the show and it's

03:33:24.860 been selling pretty well because this is something sorry i'll put a link in the chat oh good uh good

03:33:29.380 suffer g-o-o-d-s-v-f-f-e-r.com um that's our story you can buy the hardcover and the paperback

03:33:37.620 um oh sorry hang on oh s-v-f-f-e-r got you right yeah yeah i really fucked myself with that name

03:33:46.220 but it's too late um and the the stories there i liked i'll tell you what the the idea for me was

03:33:55.540 because i tend to write these stories but they almost begin with an apocalypse and rather than

03:34:02.460 stories that meditate on the horrors of life or horrors of politics i kind of liked telling stories

03:34:10.620 of hope um because it's very common in for guys like us and guys in our scene to tell dystopian

03:34:18.040 stories about how bad the future can get and how rotten things are it starts off bad and it gets

03:34:23.960 worse and i don't like telling the stories i like telling stories of maybe disjointed hope

03:34:29.500 where it starts off with you know instead of starting off normal and then getting crazy it

03:34:34.920 starts off crazy and it gets crazier um so you start from a position of something like hell has

03:34:41.460 already invaded and is negotiating what to do with earth between the forces of nature and things like

03:34:47.820 that um and and those are the types of stories i like to write and um yeah if people if you go on

03:34:54.560 the site you can read like a sample story right now um and they're really really weird they're

03:35:00.300 real real trippy um so if you like crazy trippy stories um i think you'll like it

03:35:07.040 well there we are folks there's there's the big sell for you um you wanted to recommend as well

03:35:13.680 a vanguardist journal didn't you yeah so if people like our show blood satellite i started

03:35:19.960 this publishing site called the vanguardist journal and it's at vanguardistjournal.com so

03:35:25.300 what i did was every episode we tend to cover a book we've been doing this for a long time a book

03:35:31.280 that we discuss and we kind of relate it to people and so people can take these really

03:35:36.580 large complicated ideas and kind of understand them in a practical way and then i thought well

03:35:41.700 i'd like to explore these ideas in a more serious way because on the show we have fun

03:35:48.120 or peppering in jokes and nonsense and maybe some of these better ideas could be collected across

03:35:54.000 multiple episodes and collect into one holistic piece like that that really gives the the ideas

03:36:01.660 they're due and come and kind of weaves a thread through many of the kind of stranger ideas because

03:36:06.880 we cover a lot of crazy stuff on the show a lot of books pulled from different ideologies even

03:36:12.780 some Marxist stuff, some anarchist stuff, quantum mechanics, psychology. And we weave these threads

03:36:21.360 through them to kind of make a story about like how to essentially found a new nation state or,

03:36:28.980 you know, to really tackle the big ideas, like how do you start like an actual nation or how do

03:36:35.860 you start a religion in a sense? And the idea was to write these articles for individuals

03:36:41.940 they're not just for public consumption they're for individuals in our scene who are perhaps

03:36:48.540 agents of change perhaps men of action who want who who might be interested in you know we call

03:36:55.280 this stuff theory cell stuff i hear you how the mission i had was can i take this theory cell

03:37:00.740 stuff and make it practical make it something that someone who lives in the real world would

03:37:06.260 give a shit about how because you the philosophy and a lot of these highfalutin or esoteric ideas

03:37:12.300 they can be expressed and utilized in a way that can be used in the real world for our objectives

03:37:19.480 you know and so i wanted to try that to take you know something like the accursed chair by george

03:37:25.120 batai which is like this really like an occult marxist ritual sacrifice book but we but it's

03:37:32.300 about monetary theory and kind of weave that into like quantum theory and the pieces are very very

03:37:37.680 large they're around like between 4 000 to 6 000 words so if people want to check out that experiment

03:37:45.700 you know i charmingly call it schizo but i think if you read one you'll see what i'm getting for

03:37:50.860 like the first one we wrote was um how to essentially create a canadian identity now

03:37:58.140 what does that mean? You know, and we leverage Albion Seed, you know, that great book about how

03:38:03.340 what is a people? What are the components of a people? And how do you kind of ground that in

03:38:09.120 spirituality, things like that? So it's like, for all the people who might be now wondering, like,

03:38:14.220 okay, I live in a nation state, what is this nation state? Like, I, would I fight and die for

03:38:19.060 this nation state? No. What would I fight and die for my people? Yes. Well, who are my people?

03:38:23.120 How do we actually sort rank that? Like, what is the Canadian person? That's something we negotiate all the time in Canada. And some people think we're just an appendage of the Anglo-British. But then some people are asking, no, are we something more distinct? Is there a Canadian ethnicity? If there is, how would you create that? What are the components?

03:38:46.800 and you know these are the kind of big questions we're asking but if you are just a regular guy

03:38:52.960 who's in this political sector and you might have never seen these like kooky ideas explained in

03:39:00.000 such a way so anyway if people are interested in that that's a very meandering pitch but

03:39:04.620 i've never done i don't pitch this very often

03:39:07.540 all i can say to that is i mean i i turn up and do impressions so my admiration for the work you're

03:39:15.240 putting in on all of those fronts is endless it just it blows my mind um and that's something

03:39:19.720 that people can go and have a look at um i'll tell you something else as well you've you've um

03:39:23.740 you've got this business of working through subjects down to a fine art because we're we

03:39:27.260 are kind of like bang on if not if not slightly ahead of schedule because we've covered everything

03:39:31.640 on the list and i wondered if you don't mind maybe another 10 minutes more if we get anything

03:39:37.180 whether to just open the field to any final questions it's rare that we have the luxury

03:39:40.200 of doing that but we've we've run this quite efficiently tonight so uh of course i'd love to

03:39:45.040 hear some i've loved them so far yeah i'm gonna go last orders on entropy so last orders on entropy

03:39:49.920 have gone in on youtube you can get them in on entropy i'll try and keep an eye out elsewhere

03:39:53.520 a little precedence to entropy because it's just easier to manage so yeah in the meantime we will

03:39:59.940 see we'll see what comes in but um yeah it's nice not to have been beset by the technical problems

03:40:04.660 this time because we were actually having some kind of quite good discussion last time and it's

03:40:07.840 we've kind of recovered some of that ground even the music stuff it's just nice to be able to do

03:40:11.440 it without like an intermittent lag of about a minute a minute and a half it's very if you've

03:40:15.780 never done that it's a very sort of uh very disorienting thing to deal with as i'm sure

03:40:20.620 you would attest times it was quite strange it's so frustrating you're always catching yourself

03:40:24.920 talking over someone you're like i'm so oh oh no okay yeah no you go you just don't know where

03:40:31.260 you are yeah it's it's it's really really weird um the internet does strange things um i think we

03:40:39.400 thus far it looks like we've we've pretty well uh we've pretty pretty well satisfied everybody's

03:40:44.660 curiosities because it looks like we're not doing too badly i'll just have a quick refresh of

03:40:48.280 everything see how we're doing on that school we might be out of here early tonight folks we might

03:40:53.200 be out of here early but we'll see how we go we'll see what we get coming in uh i don't want to close

03:40:57.500 it off just yet um entropy is looking all right as well we'll have one more little look at that

03:41:01.980 we'll perhaps give it a minute okay so nc in fact actually we've we've had something else

03:41:06.940 coming on entropy um before we do something daft nc pigeon's written more bars so he said

03:41:12.540 uh right okay so smash more poles than a drunk driver yeah my travels are infamous like lady

03:41:21.740 godiva speeding through krakow on my 10k bike because i've got to show these birds striking

03:41:26.080 mic yeah not bad not bad bleeding holograms with another three dollars throwing his money around

03:41:33.140 like a drunken sailor says just when you thought it was safe just when i thought that was out they

03:41:37.160 called me back in with another three dollars billy blogs there's a blast from the past nice to see you

03:41:40.960 in there again mate and he's got we've got one for you dimes he said how does dimes define or

03:41:45.640 envision transhumanism would something like the neural link implant create a transhuman

03:41:49.900 good question i i would say yes um so i mean this is a big question so a long time ago one of the

03:42:01.760 clients i had i'm going to see if i can compress this because i can go on for this for a while

03:42:05.660 one of the clients i had was a non-profit that was engaged in what's called the longevity movement

03:42:12.300 which is a very very large international movement that in short seeks to cure death

03:42:19.060 and this has sign on by everyone from elon musk to mark zuckerberg almost anyone who has money

03:42:26.920 is probably invested in this in some way the pritzkas i mean the pritzkas are big promoters

03:42:31.500 of transgenderism as well but yeah i don't know yeah yeah well that's almost a second you know

03:42:37.440 there's something interesting there that i'll get to i kind of gave that to um endeavor you didn't

03:42:42.840 take it on the last talk but there's something to that where but i'll just start by saying that

03:42:47.360 the goal of the stated goal you can look this stuff up of longevity movement is to essentially

03:42:52.420 cure death and there's a lot of individuals who believe that the human within our lifetime we can

03:42:59.540 see the first human live to be 200 years old now whether or not that's accomplished that is the

03:43:05.100 stated goal now how would you do this how would you cure death and when i say cure death you have

03:43:10.740 to understand that that that's the marketing in there that's how you get everyone on board because

03:43:15.360 who doesn't want to cure death, especially if you're, especially if you had someone else around

03:43:19.400 you die, curing suffering, you know, it almost sounds anti-Christistic, but it's very practical

03:43:27.000 for people who live in suffering. So the idea of curing death has, would have wide appeal. And

03:43:33.660 that's the other key to this, that almost no one would stand against this. Anyway, so you ask

03:43:38.100 yourself, how would you make someone live to be 200? Well, cell death is relatively easy to

03:43:46.220 understand. They can't do it perfectly yet, but making it so your cells of your body last longer

03:43:52.780 is one thing. But you have to remember there's an entire dimension to this that's a lot more

03:43:57.460 difficult, which is psychological. So they don't really know how to cure Alzheimer's. So you can

03:44:02.060 make, you might be able to make the body live a thousand years in one way or another. Can you make

03:44:07.360 the mind live a thousand years no there's all these you know there's a lot of the mind we don't

03:44:11.660 understand so that's where something like neurotechnology would step in so the inevitability

03:44:17.280 of this comes from are there enough billionaires and scientists in the world to force this through

03:44:25.860 because you have to see not just the billionaires how many scientists would get into science because

03:44:30.740 they say they want to cure suffering and death that's probably the the top of the top what's

03:44:36.080 more divine than that, they might say. That's as close as a secular liberal can get to being a

03:44:43.100 priest. So there's a lot of people working towards this. So that's why I think, what would it take

03:44:47.760 to stop that? I don't know. So that's coming down the pike now. You ask, well, what form does that

03:44:52.800 take? Well, that's Neuralink. Well, there can be a lot of specific technology that comes in place.

03:45:00.060 And what's interesting is I spoke with JF Garepi. I said his name wrong, like I always do,

03:45:05.240 but you know who i'm talking about absolutely he's got a fantastic book called the revolutionary

03:45:10.600 phenotype that seems to address this problem and we discuss it on the show but uh the the

03:45:17.660 the development of gene clinics could all you need is a certain percentage of the population

03:45:24.340 to start editing the genes of their children to there's an avalanche effect that comes after that

03:45:30.160 like if only rich people start customizing their kids so that they don't have diseases who wants a

03:45:37.700 kid to have heart disease that's how it starts this starts with cancer by saying we can edit

03:45:42.340 the genes and dna of your child so it never gets cancer maybe that happens then it just everything

03:45:47.120 else comes and once like 15 the population does it then the entire middle class wants it then

03:45:52.820 the poor people come then the underclasses make a play by saying it's not fair that the upper

03:45:57.580 classes have it it should be free now everybody has it now everyone's editing their genes within

03:46:02.680 his book he tells a story about how this could lead to a runaway phenotypic revolution but if

03:46:08.300 we want to just keep it within the boundaries of acceptable technology what becomes more interesting

03:46:15.500 is how they try and put a cap on this and i brought this up with endeavor and we didn't get

03:46:20.640 to talk about it much but i said consider the and this is all crazy kooky speculative conspiracy

03:46:28.400 stuff but we like to have a little fun so take this the scenario and run it through your mind

03:46:34.280 the by making the average person more dysgenic you almost prohibit them from wanting to use

03:46:45.080 transhumanism to become an uber mensch so the idea of you kind of polluting the the the psychology

03:46:54.300 of the individual so that if given the opportunity to edit their own genes it would never even occur

03:47:00.100 to them to want to be a super smart superhuman that seems like something a conspiracy theorist

03:47:06.100 would find interesting like a dysgenic population if you give them the power of god they wouldn't

03:47:12.880 actually know what to do with it that could be the long play with creating sort of a dysgenic

03:47:19.680 lower iq population now that we could wander down that road for a long time but it's manageable

03:47:26.700 it allows the smart people to create their genes and almost become superhuman um there's

03:47:34.100 there's all kinds of you know spider webbing ideas you could have off this like the idea of

03:47:38.840 Like once you really start altering the human brain, certain questions emerge, you know, philosophical questions or even metaphysical questions.

03:47:46.520 Like what does a what does a 250 year old human mind look like?

03:47:51.660 I don't think it looks human.

03:47:53.340 And by the time you're 250 years old, maybe you live in because so much of our life is spent bookended within this very finite window of time.

03:48:02.660 If you start expanding that window with a healthy mind, after 200 years, are you almost a different person? Have you lived two lives? Have you been driven insane in some other way? We don't really know what that looks like.

03:48:18.080 But I think what concerns people is it does feel like a runaway train that it's going to happen anyway.

03:48:25.380 And for people like us on our side and the dissonant right, we're not very individualistic.

03:48:31.440 We're very concerned with our kids.

03:48:32.980 We're very concerned with our bloodlines, our lineage, 150 years in the future.

03:48:38.500 And I don't think it's possible to look 150 years in the future and see this not as a problem that you have to grapple with.

03:48:45.040 um and it's one of those problems that's so big that i almost don't know how to approach it

03:48:50.540 the the group or sector on our side that probably is talking about it the most we talk about it a

03:48:57.900 lot in our show would be the accelerationists this is where you get into nick land stuff i

03:49:03.360 don't know if you've ever heard of him um there's a lot of guys yeah yeah a lot of friends of mine

03:49:08.120 who are asking this question but it gets really trippy it gets really you know nick lands uh line

03:49:14.400 that a lot of people echo is nothing human exists in the future that there is a possibility whereby

03:49:20.880 the humanity evolves in such a way technologically that if you look ahead 200 years you're not going

03:49:27.680 to recognize what we are you know as long as there's no sudden huge collapse or some you know

03:49:35.540 planet destroying catastrophe but you know that now you get into science fiction like it's almost

03:49:41.680 impossible to talk about this stuff without talking about it in a science fiction like way

03:49:46.480 but just to put a cap on it when you're talking about transhumanism you have to imagine the mental

03:49:53.000 and psychological part then you imagine the physical part and the physical part is a bit

03:49:59.100 easier to answer and a lot of people think about like neural link and think about uploading their

03:50:04.500 consciousness to a computer even if that were possible that's almost the worst case scenario

03:50:10.320 that's actually frightening um because one thing here's a fun tangent to go on right

03:50:16.440 okay so one thing they learned with and i might be telling you stuff you already know but one

03:50:23.160 thing they learned with creating one thing they learned robots was that um or ai rather with ai

03:50:31.180 they realized that to have it think the way they wanted to think which was like an advanced human

03:50:36.720 to reason and use creativity it couldn't really exist in a virtual space um and there's an

03:50:44.040 interesting book called the society of mind by marvin minsky i would encourage people to read

03:50:48.640 it's about how the human mind develops from infancy and how it kind of builds itself

03:50:53.200 but um they found that they could develop ai better if they gave it a physical form

03:50:58.140 because it needs physical inputs to like make sense of up and down and sideways and forward

03:51:04.500 and back and so many so much how we think is tethered to our physical body and also our

03:51:11.380 environment which should make sense to a lot of the race realists out there we know what the

03:51:15.960 environment does to how you see the world so consider that as you start changing how you

03:51:22.860 physically interact with the world that will necessarily change how you think and there is

03:51:28.760 a balancing act on a long enough timeline like if you really start changing your physical

03:51:33.720 relationship the world maybe you're in it longer maybe you're taller maybe you're shorter maybe

03:51:38.000 lots of little things that will change your psychology and it's little things like that

03:51:44.900 that have i don't like using the term butterfly effect but it is even little changes are going

03:51:50.440 to change all of politics like once transhumanism you know kind of takes off it kind of takes off

03:51:57.800 right now it exists now but hypothetically if it did politics as we know it doesn't exist

03:52:03.660 you know the the conversation about like race doesn't exist or becomes a lot more severe and

03:52:10.220 urgent like there's it's mind bending once you really start to like i said if you think about

03:52:16.220 this all the way to the bottom you might break your mind doing it and but it's it's almost the

03:52:22.260 only thing worth talking about because it connects to everything like it connects to how wealth is

03:52:27.580 transfer how does wealth operate if wealth holders are 500 years old what is wealth at that point

03:52:34.120 i've given people a lot to go up here and if people have any more specific questions based

03:52:40.280 on that i can answer them that was a bit of a ramble there too well i'm just gonna yeah food

03:52:46.520 certainly food for thought i'm gonna bring things back down to the usual level on this channel with

03:52:49.620 more bars from nc pigeon who has contributed just woo diba with my white hot takes now i'm

03:52:54.780 rhyming into her like albion forgot to put on the brakes yeah nobody can pull birds like nc can and

03:52:59.620 i'll make zog come undone like duran duran okay i'm not appropriately uh i'm not appropriately

03:53:06.080 lowbrow no it might be time to start winding it down um but uh no i had a fine discussion times

03:53:12.700 and it was glad we finally got around to it and we were able to overcome the technical problems

03:53:15.800 i think we probably all learned a thing or two from you tonight mate so uh yeah i'll give you

03:53:19.360 the parting word before i sign us out oh let me just say i'm i remain a fan of the show i recommend

03:53:25.040 this show to people i had a thrill coming on thank you for letting me go off on all my meanderings

03:53:31.200 there i really this is exactly the stuff i love to talk about and i'd love to come on again uh if

03:53:36.340 you'd have me anytime you want um and thank you for all the comments too this was fantastic

03:53:41.340 no honored mate honored and uh yeah thank you very much for joining us everybody thank you

03:53:46.280 for your questions and your contributions in the chat.

03:53:49.320 Thank you to those of you moderating.

03:53:50.540 Before we go any further, actually,

03:53:51.920 just as I'm about to wrap it up,

03:53:55.540 we do have one more question

03:53:57.800 from our stalwart moderator, Reed Johnson,

03:54:00.320 with a very generous $4 as well,

03:54:01.840 which I will get to in just a second.

03:54:03.380 Before we do, because I know I love Pykees,

03:54:04.960 he's just going to make me laugh

03:54:05.740 rather than asking anything.

03:54:07.200 He pops up with $10.

03:54:08.400 Thank you very much, mate.

03:54:09.400 And nice to see you last weekend.

03:54:10.620 And he said,

03:54:10.960 Evening, boys.

03:54:11.520 I'm just having one of those Vaporwave

03:54:12.920 Rich Hauk nights in on the skyline.

03:54:15.400 sorry let me let me read that again and do it justice because i love this already evening boys

03:54:20.020 i'm just having one of those vaporwave rich out nights in the skyline bombing around with friends

03:54:23.780 getting some good photos white pool friday night a rare treat say something overtly racist as you're

03:54:28.320 now on the car stereo blasting out to half the seafront cheers i think rich does that in columbus

03:54:32.900 ohio rather than uh like you know whitby or wherever mate but listen you know you work with

03:54:38.000 what you've got don't you so uh what will i say what separates humans from animals well it's a sea

03:54:42.580 and it's south of europe that's as much as i'll say um read yeah reid johnson with his four

03:54:49.780 dollars asked the question held over from dimes last appearance what is his take on kind of this

03:54:53.380 finest jordan peterson uh i'm gonna try and keep this short i mean i when jordan peterson emerged

03:55:00.200 on the scene um i i liked him quite a bit um i haven't really too i tuned out a long time ago

03:55:06.280 i think jordan peterson was an entry point for a lot of people into our seed um and while i don't

03:55:14.140 agree with a lot of what he says because he really is at his heart just a liberal i i don't want to

03:55:20.360 ignore the fact that there's a significant amount of people who are probably my age who got into

03:55:26.240 broken into this wider scene through him and as an entry point i think you should give credit

03:55:33.560 where credit is due um i i again i'm not there's a lot going on with that family i'm not too sure

03:55:39.320 about um uh i i don't watch him much anymore but i don't hate him like a lot of people do um and i

03:55:47.720 do i i still come back to a couple things he said that i still think were good points um just to

03:55:54.740 give one before we go a lot of my favorite jordan pearson stuff was the stuff he said off script

03:56:00.660 because he was touring around giving his spiel about his book his 12 roots for life but every

03:56:05.660 so often in an interview and kind of the things that got him in trouble and one thing he had said

03:56:09.740 was that men and women don't know how to work together and that got him in trouble he kind of

03:56:14.960 backed away from that he doesn't really talk about it anymore but i'm like i've never heard that said

03:56:19.140 on tv before and i think that's true and his point was like look i mean look at look at all

03:56:24.800 this me too stuff i'm like we actually men and women don't know how to work together men know

03:56:29.260 work together women don't work but when you put them in the same room it seems to be conflict we

03:56:33.100 had never negotiated like workplace attire we didn't that's why all this shit is happening

03:56:39.540 and i i just never heard it plainly said like yeah men and women they don't really work well

03:56:44.940 together and he never really developed that but i'm like there's little things like that where

03:56:50.180 he said that and they weren't ready for it but other than that i don't really subscribe to a lot

03:56:55.360 of what he says now

03:56:57.180 because he's just that he is an open

03:56:58.860 de-radicalization agent and that's not

03:57:00.920 terribly interesting to me

03:57:03.200 men and women

03:57:05.400 don't know how to bloody work together

03:57:06.920 he just sounds like Kermit doesn't he

03:57:08.120 that's my insightful contribution

03:57:10.120 he's a gay sex

03:57:15.600 I said well yeah

03:57:17.440 I mean that's the

03:57:18.640 that's no joke

03:57:20.440 oh dear um yeah i think there's a lot to suggest that he was always there as a

03:57:28.800 de-radicalization agent but my view on gatekeepers has always been that

03:57:32.480 and this this becomes incrementally more true over time i don't want to get into it too too

03:57:36.680 much detail now we're winding it down but um to gatekeep effectively they've got to do it in such

03:57:41.620 a way that actually allows the people with the most initiative through the gate in high numbers

03:57:45.260 um because they've got to give people a little bit and i think he's an example of that because

03:57:49.440 if you go and look at some of the lectures of his that are around on youtube like the stuff on iq

03:57:52.940 um really interesting i also and i've said this many times before and look he won't be the only

03:57:59.360 one saying it you'll probably find all kinds of relationship self-help books saying the same

03:58:02.520 thing but this is where i saw it first he he sort of unceremoniously debunks the idea that in

03:58:07.800 relationships opposites attract i've been in relationships of opposites and it's a fucking

03:58:11.200 nightmare and basically his his what he says and again he's not going to be the originator of this

03:58:15.820 this will be as old as time is you maybe don't want to be exactly the same but you want to be

03:58:19.120 similar enough that you can understand each other a little bit you know that you can actually you

03:58:22.640 know um so yeah i i think there's there's stuff out there from some of his lectures that's that's

03:58:28.760 quite useful but i mean he's he seems like i've not heard from him for in a while but he seems

03:58:32.160 to have gone ever so slightly mad crying all over the place in these kind of like yeah you know

03:58:35.780 and i'm like something happened to him it's like a lot like i'm sometimes i feel like i'm looking

03:58:42.580 at a guy who was broken some way i think that the benzo addiction and the rehab it tweaked

03:58:48.500 something so it might be into like a physiological problem he's dealing i'm not sure yeah but also

03:58:55.860 like his early stuff because um i know he got a lot of people reading you know carl jung and i'm

03:59:00.760 a sucker for that stuff i'm a sucker for that mythological psychological stuff so i've never

03:59:05.760 read his book maps of meaning like his first book i'm like it sounds like there's some interesting

03:59:11.280 ideas in there if you're into that stuff but now he's on like the self-help de-radicalization thing

03:59:17.920 but i think you know there's probably some stuff in there that i think got at at least got people

03:59:22.980 asking the right questions again may a lot of people don't like him now so they're probably

03:59:28.680 telling me to go fuck myself but you know i think that covers it um before yeah before i go through

03:59:36.560 the sort of like the the closing remarks i just i just want to come back into to isle of pikey's

03:59:40.580 coast and say i love the idea of a rich halk uh a rich halk night where you're cutting around in a

03:59:45.760 nissan skyline you know well there's no blockbuster video to go to anymore but maybe you could like go

03:59:50.040 to go to a garage go to a garage and get a tango ice blast yeah with a bit of i'd be listening to

03:59:55.360 indie by amphobious that's what i'd be doing i've just not got a nissan skyline but i love the idea

04:00:00.040 of that i do like it um he talks a lot about very unhealthy foods rich out for someone who's always

04:00:04.860 got good abs and does a lot of training um all the time in the world for rich i'd love to get

04:00:08.920 him back on here at some point i just need to get i need a pretext for him because uh he definitely

04:00:12.520 merits one but um that's one for the future i've got somebody tentatively lined up for next friday

04:00:17.220 as well but you will be hearing from me before that probably next tuesday night but i will let

04:00:23.180 you know closer too but yeah thank you very much for joining us everybody thank you for your

04:00:27.840 questions and your contributions in the chat thank you to those of you moderating and thank you to

04:00:31.640 the following for your considerable generosity and support so we have isle of pikeys we have

04:00:37.020 reed johnson we have over and over and over and over and over again um homo talk and and

04:00:43.820 and bleeding holograms aka shane sort of like dueling banjos not to mention the 77th brigade

04:00:49.420 and billy blogs i'll be back next week everybody take care yourselves have a good weekend and

04:00:56.160 good night and good night as well to dimes

04:00:58.380 Ta-da, mate.

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