00:21:27.640Now, compared to last year, they're already seeing a 900% spike in Chinese national apprehensions.
00:21:32.960The reason why that's so significant is because Chinese nationals are a viable commodity to the cartels.
00:21:38.880They're willing to pay up to $35,000 to be smuggled into the U.S., and it's creating a unique challenge for U.S. Border Patrol.
00:21:46.580And they're getting in, and they're getting the Mexican treatment, like, just being let off the hook.
00:21:50.860And we know from discussing previously that the Chinese essentially control the entire, like, meth and fent trade in North America.
00:21:57.640right yeah we know that you know we know that they're hell-bent on destroying our country from
00:22:02.120the inside out so our our empire you know our our civilization so i mean it could be i wouldn't i
00:22:09.480wouldn't rule out given how effective these riots seem to be right now like they do kind of feel
00:22:15.880like they're on the edge of overthrowing france not overthrowing the french government but just
00:22:20.300like sinking france like the number of institutional buildings that they've burned down
00:22:24.540like if this goes on for another month it will be very difficult for that civilization to recover
00:22:31.000from this is like the sack of rome almost at this point yeah no that's a very very good point
00:22:36.000the re what i might say to that i don't know i said that what i will say to that
00:22:41.440is that i think islam is a different case because i liked what um i actually liked what he said in
00:22:50.340the last book we covered i was just talking about which is that islam has always struggled to act as
00:22:56.840an actual civilization because it doesn't have an actual core area which makes it unique like it
00:23:02.760doesn't have like a centralized power that it can kind of direct the rest of it it's very decentralized
00:23:08.020it's very confused and it actually does spread like a virus that's why it could be um that it's
00:23:14.940being directed although what i do see really is just this is muslims being as muslims like this0.93
00:23:22.080they just yeah yeah to me they're like blacks like blacks don't really have leadership every
00:23:28.740movement they have is very confused really i would say there's no there's no doubt that the
00:23:33.540motive force behind this like the energy that's driving this is just muslims being muslims but i
00:23:38.320mean if i was if i was al shabab and i saw this happening i would be scrambling to put ammunition
00:23:45.240in those guns you know what i mean yeah yeah that's true like i could i can completely believe
00:23:50.580that too i can believe that a lot of them are probably acting in concert with some kind of
00:23:55.980right direction like that because anytime you get a lot of muslims in any western country
00:24:00.940the terrorist cells are going to come with it it's just whether or not we've learned the names of
00:24:05.900them yet because they're very complicated names like there's a lot of people who still think like
00:24:09.500the taliban are the ones in there and they're not there's there's like gang like i honestly
00:24:14.160muslim gangs are so far off people's radar it's kind of astounding even like how often do we talk
00:24:22.860about muslim gangs not kind of in the uk tommy robinson is the last guy i remember talking about0.74
00:24:27.220it but just like the the triads like the gangs aren't like black gangs because there's no power
00:24:35.400struck like the the muslim gangs could be working hand in glove with terrorist cells right of course
00:24:40.260um i i look at the france so here's here's one way people are looking at it that you had mentioned
00:24:48.100this at the start which is that this is indecipherable from any other french protest
00:24:53.600and that they'll like oh this is just what french people do they just tear itself apart and
00:24:58.480and now we're left with the question why is paris always burning what is it about france in
00:25:07.560particular that so often leads to this kind of mass mobilization that we saw this past week
00:25:13.560that we saw earlier this year and that we seem to see year after year after year and in france
00:25:20.860there is um there is more there definitely is more of a culture of of going out to demonstrate
00:25:28.220i mean for i mean for everything really outsiders of france outsiders from france will say like oh
00:25:35.320they're just a revolutionary people they love bringing out the guillotines they love threatening
00:25:40.980the government and i've said that at one point before too i'm like i guess but this does feel
00:25:46.160different this does seem different i think the french people know it's different as well and i
00:25:51.900don't like people saying like ah this is like i've seen people make the argument who was doing it
00:25:56.900michael tracy i've gotten a big argument michael tracy on twitter recently um and he's been
00:26:03.100responding to me but he was making the case oh this is just what young men do in the summer
00:26:08.060no joke this is like a journalist he was like you know when i was during the summer like boys will
00:26:14.460be he's doing the boys will be boys thing for a race riot yeah and he's not being ironic yeah um
00:26:21.580but there is that sense especially people on the right like okay this is just it's going to be a
00:26:27.180big conflagration and nothing will happen and i guess that's what i wanted to really meditate on
00:26:33.300which is there is a kernel of truth to that there is a kernel of truth that i'm not sure
00:26:39.720what will change in the wake of this um and it does it's it's so familiar that even people on
00:26:46.280our side are being fooled by footage brought from previous years you see what i'm saying
00:26:51.780because and we're not even looking through we don't really know what's going on we're being0.98
00:26:55.740fooled by this shit um so it's like okay my question is what could we do to make sure that0.98
00:27:04.060this doesn't just go away because maybe they're right a lot of people on our side it's like1.00
00:27:08.080nothing's going to happen nothing's going to change there'll be no mass awakening no mass
00:27:11.740pushback but it makes me wonder like what could there be because i look at this and it is their
00:27:17.800george floyd moment it does show an ethnic and ethno-religious solidarity among migrant forces
00:27:26.200that is completely hostile to the french way of life and alien to the french mindset that they
00:27:32.220have to deal with and that this is going to be an ongoing thing again and again and again
00:27:36.160okay agreed and agreed that macron is out there trying to normalize everyone's trying to normalize
00:27:43.920this okay but realistically what could we do because the cynical people on the right are
00:27:49.600saying that you know la-di-da this is nothing's going to happen and i want to say that they're
00:27:55.600wrong but the more i look at this and the more this kind of recedes from the news i'm like this
00:28:03.140is just going to end up with more french people burned and lynched and and nothing happens but
00:28:06.880what could what could you do to stop this from happening again like what do you think do you
00:28:12.820mean do you mean what could the french real french people do or we you and i could do as
00:28:19.420friends because also just to add some context the news that we see coming out of france is there are
00:28:25.380nationalist groups and nationalist um gangs and collectives who are taking to the streets to do
00:28:31.640what the cops wouldn't do and there are videos of cops doing some things and shooting people and
00:28:36.220running them down but there are you know organically occurring groups of french people
00:28:41.580trying to address this and they're getting tear gas they're getting arrested they're made the bad
00:28:46.660guys in the press meaning that the french people just like what we experience here are not allowed
00:28:51.960to stand up for themselves so i'm just wondering like is there anything to be done because
00:28:57.140again just like the black lives i think that this is a race war and it it doesn't go away it just
00:29:04.440stops momentarily i don't even know what i'm asking i'm just wondering like what we've seen
00:29:08.400this before but what what can we do different i'll throw one at you i think it's great obviously if
00:29:15.360you're in a neighborhood that's being torn down by migrants that you should go out and defend
00:29:20.320yourself right but if you're gonna pick a target and i mean that in the most loose sense i would
00:29:26.240say you need to be targeting journalists because the reason this is happening in the way it's
00:29:32.640happening is because of the french media right like i can't imagine maybe i'm wrong on this
00:29:38.640but i can't imagine the average working class parisian who looks out their window during a
00:29:44.700power outage and sees algerians burning their city down is okay with it the whole point to
00:29:52.100the media narrative is to make those people more docile and make them accept essentially a race
00:29:57.920war in the streets. I think if the satellites went down and the power went out and people had
00:30:04.360to just look out the window and just use their eyes to form their opinions, I think this would
00:30:09.460be over in a couple of nights because there aren't that many migrants. There are a lot of able-bodied
00:30:16.420French men out there who could do something. And it's like with the boomers, right? Like we've got
00:30:21.340our people here who are completely you know sucked in to even the conservatives are sucked into this0.91
00:30:27.720line about protecting the gays and the browns and like polyev going off recently about how
00:30:33.160whether your name's chong or you know whatever you're always welcome in canada their names
00:30:38.780chong or ching you're always welcome here you're always welcome and it's like come on look why do
00:30:42.820you have to say that when like if you just look if you just get the media out of the picture and
00:30:47.400just look yeah i think most people would come to the right conclusion so yeah it's kind of a
00:30:50.880rambling take but and also it's interesting comparing the european experience to the north
00:30:55.100american experience because when it comes to mass migration the conversations are a lot different in
00:31:00.660north america or even in america mass migration is still treated mostly as something we want to
00:31:07.780avoid but from mexico and maybe it's people trying to leverage the cartels a lot but you know it's
00:31:14.440something we agree we don't want but in europe i think that national continental conversation
00:31:21.060isn't really happening so for where i'm going with this is you kind of mentioned it there with
00:31:27.880boomers so like the boomers in north america when i look at boomers i don't see a love of migration
00:31:37.900the same way i see it in europe and maybe i'm way off on this i open it up to many of our european
00:31:43.820listeners to tell me if i'm wrong but there's a couple of um images that came out of this protest
00:31:49.620the one is the first one's the most talked about one uh it was occurring in france it was a lot of
00:31:56.020french police getting ready to put down some massive protests and there's this old boomer
00:32:01.380french white french woman on her knees pleading with them not to arrest the protesters because1.00
00:32:08.440that would be racist that would be unjust right tears in her eyes screaming like she'd probably1.00
00:32:13.460never pleaded for it she's pleading for these guys more than she would plead for help if she0.90
00:32:18.480was being raped by them that's that's the vibe you get from that the other one is there is this uh0.77
00:32:25.100pro-migrant protest that had happened um with a bunch of like french nationals you know trying0.96
00:32:32.620to counter the counter protest and it was again all white boomers there was no other non-european
00:32:39.820french people there right there's no algerians there's no black so like the only people who are
00:32:45.360activists for mass migration seem to be the nationals of whatever that nation is and it seems
00:32:52.860to be mostly boomers and so the question i wanted to ask and this is a question i ask a lot
00:32:59.740um and with no glee in my voice and no song in my heart i do ask what happens when the boomers
00:33:09.480pass when there's no more boomers like how much of this again continental narrative is kept up by
00:33:17.320just boomer libs because when i look at the nationalist pushback from this it's all young
00:33:21.720people it's all the youth of these nations taking the streets to defend themselves i don't see any0.96
00:33:26.280fucking boomers there they're the ones who are seem to really really believe in the stuff still0.67
00:33:32.060and once they pass and no one is holding up that narrative i do wonder do things get easier do0.99
00:33:39.000things get harder like what does that look like and you know i don't know maybe it gets worse
00:33:42.940i think the generational thing is a little bit overblown like part of it like i was saying is
00:33:47.720is the media like whether or not you're looking at um like a newsreel about nationalists fighting
00:33:54.620the migrants in the street or if it's about an old boomer woman begging them to stop or just to stop
00:34:00.120begging the police to not arrest them either way it's a very very small instance in a huge
00:34:04.880population so first of all i don't think it's that representative but i do agree that largely
00:34:10.580the supporters of the migrants are boomers and largely the the people fighting back are young
00:34:15.980but i don't think that's to do with this generation i think that's just to do with age
00:34:20.060i think the nature of the society that we've built up over the past 150 years is such that
00:34:25.020if you survive to the age of 60 most people's minds are completely broken i don't think i don't i0.98
00:34:32.120Honestly, I don't think half of the guys we know are going to make it to that age without giving something up just from the constant fucking beating.0.82
00:34:40.740And I certainly think that people who are a little bit more risque in their 20s and 30s, it's very, very easy, especially if you get a little bit of money, right, to think that the only way to defend that is to just toe the party line.0.84
00:34:55.000so i mean i know and i know that from experience with my own family who are ostensibly conservatives0.90
00:34:59.720and yet toe the line on on race and gender and all kinds of shit without even thinking of it
00:35:06.460all the time but they're very very comfortable people and they like feeling good and i don't0.94
00:35:11.180think any of them i don't think as many of them would have done that when they were 27
00:35:15.040but now that they're 60 and they're frail uh it's very it's so much easier for them at that age
00:35:21.960to just say oh please oh please and i don't think that they're all going to be in the street begging
00:35:27.460but they're certainly not going to fight you know so i think we just have to write them off
00:35:32.140i suppose that would necessarily change with the younger generations because with the boomers
00:35:37.460they have a bit more social capital they have more investments they own a house if you have
00:35:42.100a generation that owns less property owns less houses has right less investment less you know
00:35:48.400people have already whether or not it's true they seem to have internalized that they will not have
00:35:52.340social security the same way their parents or grandparents did right and i might be just a bit
00:35:57.040crazier no i agree i think by the time we get to their age we're definitely going to be more like
00:36:03.440our whole generation is going to be more violent and less cooperative and more right-wing but i
00:36:08.640don't think it's because like we can't take credit for just being that much smarter the reality is
00:36:13.360anybody who lives through the economic situation that we've lived through will become like that
00:36:17.880you and i were not that right wing when we were teenagers right it's living through all this0.96
00:36:22.640fucking garbage for the past 15 years that's made us this way like with many people so yeah by the0.94
00:36:27.420time we're that age there won't be a right wing whatever we are is going to be some different0.99
00:36:33.640mutation like the idea of concert there won't be conservatives by that so imagine that like
00:36:40.040imagine like the dichotomy of right now this thing called the distant right is kind of a
00:36:45.260mishmash of things but by the time we're 50 we're gonna be something entirely because um one thing
00:36:50.980that we talk about i know uh john tally in the chat is always bringing this up we talked about
00:36:56.860in a previous episode the competence crisis yeah just for a lived example what we're talking about
00:37:02.560um i've already spoken to dime's wife and some people that i know i'm like you know we're gonna
00:37:09.980to die at home i do not trust hospitals the way hospitals are going i do not first of all care1.00
00:37:15.780homes are out you see what's going on in these places now oh yeah oh yeah and fuck you if you're1.00
00:37:20.680gonna take me to a hospital like just the other day i've got to get dimes child some medicine1.00
00:37:26.880medicine got to give him some acid reflux medicine acid reflux is something a lot of babies get0.99
00:37:31.980um it's just they spit up a lot you give them uh this let's squirt some stuff in their mouth and
00:37:37.960then they don't spit up as much very very common i gotta go to three different pharmacies because
00:37:43.760it's all indians and arabs who don't know how to do a fax properly it took me four days to get a0.98
00:37:51.120prescription filled holy shit four fucking days of people not typing in the name right it's just0.99
00:37:57.880that that right there that little anecdotal piece of evidence imagine that multiplied across0.99
00:38:03.440the entire medical infrastructure which is already kind of shitty imagine those people as surgeons
00:38:09.800as but also um you know the flip side of that is i think uh in bc one of the listeners was
00:38:18.820telling us that they just recently i'm gonna butch this story but my recollection of it
00:38:24.980was they're permitting sort of on they're allowing pharmacists to give prescriptions for drugs
00:38:32.140Because there is such a shortage of doctors, the idea is now you just go to a pharmacist who can prescribe the medicine based on your ailment.
00:38:41.660Tomorrow, B.C. will become the first province in Canada to have an online booking system for appointments with pharmacists.
00:38:48.960It's part of a shift in the province to ease pressure on doctors in the health care system.
00:38:53.560The B.C. College of Family Physicians estimates nearly a million British Columbians have no access to a family doctor.
00:39:00.060The announcement today is about making sure that people have access to care in their communities where they are.
00:39:06.760Not everybody has access to a family doctor.
00:39:10.260So making sure that if there's a space at your pharmacy, there's a pharmacist available to see you,
00:39:15.280that your ailment falls within the categories that they're able to assist with,
00:39:18.140that you're able to be assured that when you show up there's going to be someone there for you.
00:39:21.760Earlier this month, the province empowered pharmacists to prescribe drugs for 21 minor ailments
00:39:27.360like urinary tract infections allergies acne indigestion along with contraception
00:39:33.720so which is of a passive admission that up until now like 90 of what doctors do is just prescribing0.98
00:39:42.540medication to people who self-diagnose so now it's just well let's let this fucking indian guy0.95
00:39:47.720just give you pills you're just a pill dispenser now that's all this is and also we're going to0.99
00:39:53.220include heroin and cocaine back in the mix now too yeah so and that's you know we talk about
00:39:58.160confidence crisis like that is that's going to be the entire medical thing people are going to die
00:40:02.560the government's already trying to get you used to die they're getting used to doctors killing you
00:40:07.920so that's the world that we're going to live in i don't know what politics looks like in that world
00:40:13.660it doesn't look like what it is right now it's going to be some worse than a worse than a dystopian
00:40:20.020hellscape it's just gonna be it's gonna be everything sucks but everyone's screaming at0.74
00:40:24.400you that it doesn't suck so you're gaslit every single day and it's all about uh the multitudes0.77
00:40:29.960of different ways that you're gaslit and they're gonna just tell you that it never used to be good
00:40:33.640how do we get on this we're talking about france we were talking about we're talking about what
00:40:40.460happens after the boomers are gone yeah but and but that's a funny way of looking as you're talking
00:40:44.800about what happens after the boomers are gone as if there's some curse but it's not unrelated
00:40:49.860to the competency crisis because at the very least, the boomers are competent at their jobs.
00:40:56.280So the boomers are some of the only people left holding together. Now, they're also the reason
00:41:00.360for the competency crisis largely because they're the ones that made a lot of the hiring decisions
00:41:03.980that put us here. But the ones that are actually in practical roles are usually the glue holding
00:41:10.000these institutions together, however. That's kind of what I was getting at where many times
00:41:15.400on the show we've said that i don't like this intra-generational war it seems like something
00:41:21.340distinct to our historical period where we treat our grandparents or parents like they're different
00:41:27.540social species i don't know if that happened across time in other cultures right now it's0.97
00:41:33.160only us that like hate their group of the grandparents like really really fucking hate0.97
00:41:38.500them i don't like that doesn't seem very productive so that's why when i say when the boomers die it's0.90
00:41:44.100it's with no glee in my voice or song in my heart it's like they are gonna pass what does that look
00:41:49.940like because a lot of people say good let them die i'm introducing the idea that maybe it's not
00:41:55.220great maybe it's it's not like they were not really the ones shackling you it's like they're
00:42:01.480the ones who steered the ship towards the iceberg in the first place but when they die there's
00:42:05.520literally nobody at the wheel and that's going to be much worse so yeah this is something i want to
00:42:10.360get to throughout this episode which is the defense of the status quo um and i think boomer
00:42:18.020i don't know what it's like to be 70 i don't know what it's like to be confronted with change that
00:42:23.280is maddening and so really i guess i'll tease this now we'll get to it later but what most people
00:42:32.440mean by peace you know peace between nations peace between peoples is just maintenance of
00:42:39.480the status quo and doing whatever you can to maintain the status quo which is less scary than
00:42:48.680the unknown if i had to be charitable with where they are i think that's where they're at which is
00:42:53.140that we at the very least we got this you know we don't know what it's like if you know we don't
00:43:00.120have we like we we're more it's more tolerable to have this current status quo than the uncertain
00:43:07.780future i think that's what some people are thinking and that's generally what international
00:43:12.880diplomacy is about and international relations it's just maintaining the status quo even if the
00:43:18.960status quo sucks like having north and south korea at this sort of certain stalemate might be
00:43:28.020preferable to you know a unified korea or them sorting it out right like a lot of the what the0.90
00:43:34.900un does is try and keep everything just the way it is and it will only allow change if that change
00:43:41.000is forced you know but if they have a say in it they're going to try and keep things the way they
00:43:44.780are because they're at least okay things are balanced even if things are balanced in an
00:43:49.720imbalanced way like they would rather poor countries stay poor and rich countries stay
00:43:54.800rich you know to put this in maybe a classist term but it's like that's preferable than
00:44:00.340further chaos and and there's a lot and that sounds good to some and bad to others and that's0.96
00:44:07.340why international diplomacy is fucking fake and useless not very much on international relations0.96
00:44:13.440diplomacy is the method by which you negotiate that anyway it was funny you know we're so used0.98
00:44:22.000to this we're so used to this state of affairs and we're so used to being gaslit that we look over
00:44:27.700to something like that. Remember that coup that occurred in Russia for like a minute
00:44:34.540and then kind of went back? The nothing burger coup, yeah.
00:44:38.940The head of the private Russian military force Wagner saying that he has now ordered his
00:44:44.380mercenaries to halt their march on Moscow and retreat to their field camps in Ukraine
00:44:49.920to avoid, quote, shedding Russian blood. The announcement from Yevgeny Prigozhin appeared
00:44:56.100to defuse a dramatically escalating crisis that represented the most significant challenge to
00:45:02.440President Vladimir Putin's leadership in his more than two decades in power. Moscow had braced for
00:45:08.780the arrival of a private army led by the rebellious mercenary commander by erecting checkpoints with
00:45:15.140armored vehicles and troops on the southern edge. Red Square was shut down and the mayor urged
00:45:20.760motorists to quote stay off some roads there this video showing those military vehicles
00:45:26.820see i heard a take that i liked because it really fired up a lot of people especially on our side
00:45:34.540we're watching that that's our super bowl that was as close to a lot of these guys will get to
00:45:39.860watching sports um but there was a vitality to it because the take was that it was like looking into
00:45:49.620a more pure version of politics because that stuff doesn't happen over here it was an actual0.99
00:45:54.020military coup and it it worked the way it's supposed to like the fucking tanks and the0.97
00:46:00.400trucks they rode to the capital and there was a standoff and then it was negotiated and then it0.97
00:46:08.200went away it was almost like a simpler form of politics like a real form of politics that wasn't
00:46:14.520so cynical and bureaucratic it was this idea that yeah if you actually have enough guys you could
00:46:20.160like yell at the capital you can go there and then kind of get away with it you know what i mean
00:46:26.500so we're looking at like oh that seems so refreshing to see you know what i mean
00:46:31.920a refreshing coup yeah and i do know what you mean though it's like it's the sort of thing
00:46:38.220that gets talked about in hushed tones for long enough that people start to think it's a myth
00:46:43.200and that it just doesn't happen because you know it's the end of history after all
00:46:47.060these things are what happened in the past like nope it just it just almost happened a few weeks
00:46:52.840ago so yeah it's like a form of politics that we wish we could have like we wish we could have a
00:46:58.140guy that could lead an army to the capital and change something change anything that's why when
00:47:04.880you look at france it's like if you had an army what would you do where does an army march with
00:47:10.940this france like is you just it's ethnic cleansing i guess right but you know what like that's not
00:47:16.320gonna happen well no so i mean that and that was my response that's what i meant being delicate
00:47:21.320about it but if i had an army i'd be marching on the television stations in france and after that
00:47:25.600i'd probably march on other institute i you know you you can't if you do that i think you can
00:47:30.840mobilize french people but the only way to defeat however many 600 000 angry muslims is to mobilize
00:47:37.800of the population and you can't do it while you have jewish controlled media feeding people the
00:47:43.700line that it's actually their fault that the riots are happening yeah and that's the problem that
00:47:48.460there's such a multitude of issues at play it's because there is you know jewish ngos involved
00:47:53.880in this and it also is the boomers and it also is you know the french revolution and this is kind of
00:48:00.160what we were getting when you're tracing the issues of how did we get here how do we get to
00:48:05.080this moment and then i when i again when i was debating with michael tracy you know he was uh
00:48:11.400talking about you know the reason this is allowed is like for since like the fucking 1800s they've
00:48:15.900had this anyone who is a french citizen is a french citizen and i'm like okay you've accurately
00:48:20.860traced the roots of the problem to the french revolution you know but but you can do that
00:48:26.220forever okay what are the roots of for the french revolution well it's liberalism well what are the
00:48:30.700roots of that well it's the Protestant Reformation like you can you can just go back forever and then0.99
00:48:37.160it's like well at the root really it's Christianity but the root of that is then go back to fucking0.93
00:48:43.440apes go back to like the the prehistoric area you can trace like the the very roots of anything back0.95
00:48:49.580but what does that really mean you know and and that's why you know we've tried to do that on
00:48:56.640this show which is like explain the history of things but at a certain point you got to cut it
00:49:00.060off at a certain point you gotta say like you can't really like don't blame the french people
00:49:05.560for like don't blame the constitution can be changed all that matters is what the french
00:49:10.800people are willing to do you know what i mean it's not like oh well you can't do anything like
00:49:15.900in america well you can't do anything because you know you brought you brought slaves over so0.96
00:49:20.500you're stuck i'm like no you can actually do whatever anyone could do whatever the fuck they0.96
00:49:24.940want you don't need because that's the trade-off with being so traditionalist you're shackled by0.98
00:49:31.500thinking well you know i guess what this was the funniest thing when i was talking to michael
00:49:35.640tracy he was trying to own somebody and they were saying that like oh the french the french are a
00:49:43.640distinct people not like americans and his big own was to say actually we have a way to test for
00:49:51.380ethnic americans he was showing on the census how he could like genetically test for american
00:49:56.360against you know indian and against mexican and against african-american and i'm like
00:50:02.460so he just essentially showed that american as an ethnicity is white and i'm like it kind of he's
00:50:10.720like yeah well everyone kind of knows that i'm like oh okay hey i agree with you he he was trying
00:50:15.740to make it see he got himself into a quagmire of an argument showing that but it's like yeah
00:50:21.220so america there is an argument that america is the american race is white right yeah yeah and
00:50:28.560he's like oh you mean white but you know we can test for german too i'm like okay so the american
00:50:31.960race is white and not german and not irish thank you interesting like you're just helping my0.97
00:50:37.560fucking argument here apparently it's science michael tracy oh by the way did you hear about0.97
00:50:45.980affirmative action being ended in america i did fantastic lovely yeah what are your thoughts on0.97
00:50:51.600that just off the cuff no it's great i mean that's i i never would have expected that it's
00:50:56.120blowing my mind with all these wins with the supreme court lately the u.s supreme court has
00:51:01.660just altered the future of millions of american students upending decades of precedent
00:51:07.080triggering heated and polarized reactions
00:51:11.100In its six to three decision the conservative majority declared
00:51:16.260affirmative action programs at colleges and universities unconstitutional
00:51:20.820siding with advocates who argued giving priority to black and Hispanic applicants
00:51:26.160discriminates against white and Asian students with Chief Justice John Roberts
00:51:31.260writing the student must be treated based on his or her experiences as an
00:51:35.940individual not on the basis of race. The affirmative action policy definitely
01:11:51.060it should come to pass that the car eventually stops and explodes but it just seems always on
01:11:56.140fire right because there seems to be a system in place that's not fully letting the system break
01:12:01.960down it's almost maintaining it in this constant state of breaking down i think that's a historically
01:12:08.800distinct thing that never before has have we had the global power superstructure to allow things
01:12:16.880to perpetually be breaking down that seems to be what's happening in the west and that seems to be
01:12:22.540what wokeness is and there is this um this article i had read it was kind of interesting i've heard
01:12:31.720this term thrown around a lot called turbo america have you ever heard of that yeah i was asking about
01:12:38.700that the other day and i think it was paul fahrenheit or somebody had brought that up like
01:12:42.180what the fuck is turbo america yeah it's kind of what it sounds like it's the idea that
01:12:47.040you know despite america's flaws despite all things that's going wrong america is as strong0.96
01:12:55.180as it's ever been so i'll just read a couple parts from this article it's called turbo america it's
01:13:02.020by fisted by foucault which is i've talked about some of their stuff before i don't really agree
01:13:08.520with everything but i i agree this insofar as it's a topic that's being passed around and some
01:13:15.240people might not know what it is so i'll just read a couple things to clarify and and explain
01:13:20.160what parts i think are relevant so he says here i get a lot of shit when i bluntly state that the0.62
01:13:26.820usa has never been more powerful than it is today people will point to the usa's de-industrialization0.88
01:13:32.940its opiate death crisis its falling living standards its disappearing middle class
01:13:38.260crumbling infrastructure the growing divide between red and blue states and the collective
01:13:42.540meltdown of half of america thanks to trump's surprise win in 2016 all these points are valid
01:13:47.960but they also mean fuck all in the greater power scheme of things it says to effect change a segment
01:13:54.720of the elites needs to defect to the side of those seeking change the usa today is a picture0.96
01:14:00.780of elites united in total now i'm not sure i'd agree with that and and this is kind of the
01:14:07.480problem like i'm not sure i in fact i don't think there's ever been a period in history where the
01:14:13.760elites have all been aligned on one thing i with with all these people there seems to be a habit
01:14:21.520of hyperbole to make a point or to get clicks i i think if you just want to talk generally that
01:14:27.600There's a pattern that over the past 50 years, the like the GOP and the Democrats have become more in line with each other than they were and that many institutions have become more interconnected and less adversarial than they were.
01:14:41.580I agree. I think that's fair. Now, to say that America today is a picture of elites as a unified power, like, no, that's fucking ridiculous.
01:14:50.560But there's a I think there's a pattern. I think there's probably a pattern.0.98
01:14:54.280See, to me, when we say the elites are in agreement on everything, I would say they don't need to be.
01:15:23.960What do you mean? I think a way to describe it is the concept of the status quo, which is not discussed a lot, but it's very popular in geopolitical circles.
01:15:34.820This constant state of enclosed and perpetual entropy, this kind of disintegration but never fully disintegrating, has become a status quo and that international relations with the power elites are just that permanent ratchet keeping there.
01:15:55.140because they they would rather maintain that than relinquish control to change they don't
01:16:02.820really understand and that is what the boomers are and that's why to circle back to the boomer
01:16:08.980argument like boomers are i think the last vestiges of that and it's hard for me to predict this and
01:16:17.120i really want to just drill into people's heads like everything we're talking about right now
01:16:21.100might change drastically once the boomers die you know one thing i'd seen recently was you know
01:16:28.300everyone hates george soros right and even back in the day when george when the right was like
01:16:34.840as peak hating of george soros a few of us had the idea i'm like well george soros isn't like
01:16:40.200the darth vader of the world like there's lots of george soros and then his son is apparently worse
01:16:46.180than him. How do we know this? Because George Soros' son went public and said, I'm worse than
01:16:51.740my father. George Soros' son has given his first interview since taking over his father's $25
01:16:59.700billion empire. The younger Alex Soros claims, quote, I'm more political than my father,
01:17:07.260adding as much as I would love to get money out of politics as long as the other side is doing it,
01:17:12.600we're going to have to do it too right which means that george soros as much as we hate him
01:17:19.600as a destabilization agent was a more reliable destabilization agent than whatever's coming down
01:17:26.260the pike right which is to say that the last vestiges of that status quo might die with the
01:17:34.700boomers and actually don't know what that looks like and maybe there's this idea that you know
01:17:40.580I always come back to, like I said, the worst thing you can say to someone on the distant right is what if this never ends?
01:17:49.440We spend all our time talking about what we'll do when society falls, when the West has really fallen.
01:17:55.260It's like, what if the West never falls?
01:17:57.800See, because what's interesting is once you really dive into geopolitical history and international politics, it becomes clear how recent all of these rules are.
01:18:13.400Because a lot of our political theory is based on the Western model, and it's only a few centuries old.
01:18:19.140And it seems that every couple centuries, something upsets the balance and changes everything forever.
01:18:23.900the story of international politics is paradigm shift after paradigm shift like world war one
01:18:31.100changed everything it introduced a new model for european power it's never gone back to how it was
01:18:37.800and how it was for centuries and centuries so it's like there is no norm in international
01:18:43.940politics it seems that something insane happens that changes everything until the next insane
01:18:50.040thing right and maybe that's why people are so married to the status quo but i keep looking at
01:18:57.140it i'm like you know there is no it's very easy to get locked in this sort of spanglarian idea of
01:19:03.240every civilization is it has a cycle every empire has a cycle i'm like yeah but in the past but
01:19:10.840there's a lot of unique historical pressures on us right now that with all the technology we have
01:19:18.900with the international awareness with the the wealth and and the fucking the the race towards
01:19:25.760this sort of transhumanist future like i don't think there's any way to use a model of the past
01:19:30.040on what's going to happen in the future and and i and i i want to introduce the idea that like
01:19:35.260we always say the west has fallen i'm like no the west is falling the west will keep falling
01:19:41.600forever you're gonna feel like you're falling forever and that's worse than hitting the0.98
01:19:46.960fucking ground but what does what do you do in a situation where you're constantly fucking falling0.97
01:19:51.200because at least when you hit the bottom you have the the sanity to know where the bottom is you're0.99
01:19:56.960never going to know where the bottom is you're just going to have this this paralyzed feeling
01:20:00.760that the ground like you'll feel more paralyzed than if you hit the ground is what i'm saying
01:20:05.140there's this part here where it says turbo america means that the usa openly engages in coercion of
01:20:12.140both opponents and allies to get its way there's little to stop them so why not do it hiding
01:20:17.660behind the mask of democracy and global norms the usa introduces new concepts of rule globally to
01:20:23.920further cement its rule and gain advantage for its corporations and here's an interesting stat
01:20:30.060that i didn't know and this is really what i wanted to get to u.s introduced sanctions
01:20:35.060have increased by a staggering 933% in the past 20 years.
01:20:42.820Since 2000, the number of underlying sanctioned authorities
01:28:08.960this is the 60th anniversary edition and this is a very a popular book for if you're into
01:28:17.980geopolitics if you're into international relations and diplomacy generally this is sort of one of
01:28:24.620those foundational texts that you know it might not be totally relevant right now because a lot
01:28:31.360of what he talks about is relationship with the soviet union and china a lot of the the data he's
01:28:39.400pulling from is old data but i think it helps you understand how diplomats think and how especially
01:28:47.880american diplomats think and how international relations action this is how this is contributing
01:28:54.780to the behavior of the people who are actually doing what we are talking about the exporting
01:29:00.460of wokeness and this this isn't a conspiracy really like there's a lot of people who are a0.99
01:29:06.400bit more hawkish on the shit lip front who will basically yeah you know what we are exporting gay0.97
01:29:12.040marriage to ukraine what of it you know yeah we are we are trying to export western values and0.99
01:29:18.980what are western values it is black lives matter it is transgenderism like they you know it's not
01:29:25.760uncommon to hear that it is exporting feminism democracy quote-unquote freedom all that stuff0.94
01:29:33.200so it's not like we're telling fucking tales out of school here it is it's just we talk about it0.75
01:29:39.400in a different sort of language but we are exporting that in service of what okay let's say0.95
01:29:45.000it's for western self-interest and i would have thought that mr cannon would have been pretty
01:29:53.120uncomfortable with the truman doctrine he was absolutely because it was the universality of it
01:29:58.800and the truman doctrine of course is famous for the undertaking to come to the assistance of
01:30:05.920people who are suffering oppression throughout the world it's an extraordinary thing to promise
01:30:11.600in march of 1947 when the united states had nothing like the capability to do this
01:30:16.960And most historians say that this was hyperbole, indeed it was Atchisonian hyperbole, because the idea was Atchison's, to exaggerate the danger in order to get a specific bill through the Congress' aid to Greece and Turkey.
01:30:32.680Kennan was sympathetic to that, but he hated the universal justification for it, and said so at the time.
01:30:39.340he goes back into american history and talks about the rise of american diplomacy and this
01:30:47.140is what i was talking about before that if you look at the history of you know power relations
01:30:53.200and geopolitics a lot of the stuff is relatively new he mentions in the book you know america right
01:30:58.520now is obviously it's turbo america but america was kind of late to the game in participating on
01:31:05.740the world stage and Europe was really running things up until obviously the end of World War
01:31:11.520One and World War Two. And what's interesting is remember way back when we were talking about
01:31:17.600the Matrokin archives and the Matrokin archives were a bunch of leaked documents from the Soviet
01:31:23.940Union during the Cold War. And one thing that became clear was that the Soviet Union was first
01:31:32.760through the gate on the cold war america really was late in getting involved to the point where
01:31:38.640there were so many soviet spies in america there was so much communist infiltration it's actually
01:31:45.380insane and there was next to no western infiltration of the soviet union there was no
01:31:50.920real like western subversion going on in there because the soviet union was first to act on it
01:31:57.900and america just kind of didn't get it and that was the argument uh kenny was making in this book
01:32:03.020which is that america was very very naive when it came to international relations and diplomacy
01:32:10.400but you know it's it kind of got there though and it took a very interesting route to get there
01:32:19.040but you know what he starts off by talking about the spanish-american war
01:32:26.180um he speak these are lectures so these aren't very it's not an essay it's not an academic paper
01:32:33.040he's speaking very casually but he's describing the spanish-american civil war as essentially a
01:32:43.040war that was forced through the american press because for a long time america was very
01:32:46.720isolationist america famously even in world one didn't want to get involved and a lot of americans
01:32:52.780still yearn for a day when america isolationism was something of a reality i don't think it could
01:32:59.940ever be a reality again nor nor is he saying that because he the one of the cases he's making in the
01:33:05.680book is that if america tried to be isolationist less it could have actually prevented certain
01:33:13.480things it could have had more control over what happened in europe and that its determination to
01:33:19.460be late to the game kind of fucked up you know a lot of these conflicts for the worst for europe
01:33:26.100and for the west generally but um he's saying the spanish-american civil war was essentially a war0.97
01:33:31.460that was forced by the american press and the arms manufacturers um so america gave spain a crazy
01:33:40.180ultimatum that almost forced spain into a conflict with america spanish-american war
01:33:49.460brought about the end of Spanish colonial relevance
01:33:52.260in the Americas and the new chapter for the United States.
01:33:55.700While the conflict itself was between Spain
01:34:34.680And this is kind of the story of Cuba.
01:34:38.140And it says 11 days after the declaration of war in Cuba,
01:34:41.700America actually pursues Spain to the Philippines
01:34:45.520And takes them from Spain by force, despite no mention of the Philippines previously than this.
01:34:51.440So he's saying that it's interesting that America gets involved in this war for its own self-interest and then just kind of acts on its own to take the Philippines for no fucking reason and just have them.
01:35:02.240And it still has the Philippines, kind of.0.69
01:35:05.220And the Philippines, if you go ask Filipinos, like they're kind of like a cross between Spanish and American.
01:35:13.260and he says with with cuba the philippines guam and hawaii in 1898 america for the first time
01:35:20.480unilaterally acted to take colonies with no intention of granting them statehood and there's
01:35:26.580a lot of arguments uh for and against this at the time and this was america's like first foray into
01:35:32.360this sort of thing so um the debate over this was long and voluminous much of it was concerned with
01:35:39.000legalities, but these were not the real issue. The real issue was one of expediency and wisdom.
01:35:44.860The proponents of expansion advanced a variety of arguments. Some said that it was our manifest
01:35:50.180destiny to acquire these territories. Others said that for one reason or another, we had a paramount
01:35:55.440interest in them. Still others maintained that we, as an enlightened and Christian nation,
01:36:00.120had a duty to regenerate their ignorant and misguided inhabitants. Another argument was0.71
01:36:05.540that they were necessary to the defense of our continental territory finally it was alleged by
01:36:11.880the commercially the commercially minded that we had to take them hawaii in the philippines in
01:36:17.280particular to assure ourselves of a fitting part in what was regarded as the great future trade
01:36:23.140with the orient the opponents of expansionism argued partly in legal terms challenging the
01:36:29.080constitutionality of such an arrangement but their most powerful arguments were those which asked by
01:36:34.600And what right we Americans, who have brought our country into the existence on the thesis that governments deserve their just powers from the consent of the governed, could assume their rights of empire over other peoples and accept them into our system, regardless of their own feelings as subjects rather than as citizens?
01:36:52.820And the main thing he says in the book that I found interesting was that American diplomacy is unique in the sense that it always tries to cloak itself in a moral or ideological pretense, but it never really means it.
01:37:10.240He gives one example of the open door policy in Chinese territory, because China was being kind of torn in half by Russia and Japan and all these other places. And America comes in. America had this thing where it would always come in and try and be the moral arbiter and say that, no, we should have an open door policy. No one should own China. There should be no power struggle. We should all be here.
01:37:33.640and really even though we were taking america rather was taking a moralistic approach what
01:37:39.000that did was kind of just a sure trade for them in britain so it was always going out and saying
01:37:46.160it was something was a moral mission but it was really in america's own self-interest and this
01:37:52.100is something that are really introduced to the world scene because no not a lot of people were
01:37:56.180doing that up until that point everyone was and this is something that we'll get into the next
01:38:01.320episode too with hans morgenthal with the rise of nationalism generally means that prior to the
01:38:10.620rise of nationalism in like the 19th and 20th centuries you had like power debates and wars
01:38:16.640and struggles that were a bit more cynical but open like people were saying yeah we just want
01:38:21.460power we just want territory but with nation states you had this sort of moral approach where
01:38:27.800we are right and this is moral and if you're against this you're against good you're against
01:38:33.300goodness and that changed the conversation in the international stage but he makes a point in there
01:38:39.500that once you do that you introduce the idea of total war and that's kind of without as long as
01:38:48.120power debates are cynical they can be transactional but if you're on the side of good and the other is
01:38:53.460on the side of bad that introduces this idea that oh we're gonna fight to the last man now
01:38:58.600that was a crazy idea used to never you can never get people on board with that but you know it as
01:39:05.360long as america is really forcing the conversation on morality kind of like it's doing right now
01:39:11.000you can have you can fight to the last man on any issue uh he's got a thing here he says we have
01:39:21.080noted that when we summoned other powers to declare their adherence to these principles
01:39:25.400there were good reasons why they would agree to do this but there are also reasons why their
01:39:29.740replies would almost invariably be guarded and qualified ones hemmed in with their significant
01:39:34.420reservation so america would always come out and say we demand that the international powers sign
01:39:41.460on to this set of principles these accords that guarantee certain freedoms but those certain
01:39:46.520freedoms would also benefit america in some way he says um they have not been confined to the far
01:39:52.980eastern affairs the tendency to achieve our foreign policy objectives by inducing other
01:39:58.600governments to sign up to professions of high moral and legal principle appears to have a great
01:40:05.200and enduring vitality in our diplomatic practice it is linked certainly with the strong american
01:40:10.820belief and the power of public opinion to overrule governments it is also linked no doubt
01:40:15.560the pronounced american tendency to transplant legal concepts with from the domestic to the
01:40:22.040international field so it's like even back then it was this sort of idea to like transplant
01:40:27.980american values on the international stage smuggled in through morality and this was
01:40:35.400introduced to in such a way where other nations kind of felt like they had to like sign on to it
01:40:40.360because it's good you know um here's what i think so far as i can judge from the evidence as i have
01:40:48.400seen it was assumed by american statesmen that whatever was uttered or urged in the name of
01:40:54.060moral or legal principle bore with it no specific responsibility on the part of him who urged it
01:40:59.760even though the principle might be of questionable applicability to the situation at hand we were at
01:41:05.360liberty to extort to plead to hamper to embarrass if others failed to heed us we would cause them
01:41:10.820to appear in ungrateful postures before ungraceful postures before the eyes of the world opinion if
01:41:16.880on the other hand they gave heed to our urgings they would do so at their own risk we would not
01:41:21.780feel bound to help them with the resulting problems they were on their own it was in this
01:41:27.980spirit that we hacked away year after year decade after decade at the positions of the other powers
01:41:33.940on the mainland of asia and above all the japanese in the unshakable belief that if our
01:41:39.160principles were commendable their consequences could not be other than happy and acceptable
01:41:44.300for example he gave that was so interesting that i never really considered before but it makes so
01:41:50.920much sense but how america entered world war one despite concerns about neutrality right so it like
01:42:00.180imagine how how contradictory that is like to be isolationist to want to be neutral but then
01:42:06.980once you enter a war you kind of ideologically pivot on the reasons once you once you're involved
01:42:14.460um he says this is a central part of american diplomacy like world war ii is a great example
01:42:19.720like america didn't really get involved in the european theater you know not really until pearl
01:42:25.620Harbor, right? People talk about this all the time, but that has transformed in time to that
01:42:32.340America, this World War II was America's war. It was a war fought against evil by good. But if you
01:42:40.380look at the history up until that point, like the American will hold two thoughts in their head at
01:42:46.520the same time. One, that America fought a war against evil on the side of good. And two, that
01:42:53.800they only really entered the war when they were provoked you actually can't have both of those at
01:42:59.260the same time it doesn't make sense but he said an interesting part of american diplomacy is that
01:43:05.300they will you will hold both of those thoughts in your head at the same time because you know the
01:43:09.800really what we're getting at here is that ideological and moral justifications do not
01:43:14.120fucking matter but in american diplomacy american diplomacy is a master at like just the fact that0.55
01:43:21.760it could pull that off for such a long time even to this day is a master stroke of diplomacy to0.98
01:43:27.840believe that everything you're doing is good and you're on the side of good and this is what we
01:43:32.700were just talking about with sort of the exporting of the woke stuff it actually doesn't matter0.51
01:43:37.220what the fuck it is we're exporting it doesn't matter what we are using it's always going to be
01:43:43.060good because it has to be because the only way you can get people to sign on to anything is to0.99
01:43:49.580think it's righteous to the point where you can convince them that their own degradation and sorrow
01:43:55.920is on the side of the angels. Given his thoughts about America and wishing that it were perhaps
01:44:04.100back in the 1920s or 30s, whatever, if he had been advising the Soviet Union or China or whatever
01:44:10.680other country, what would he have said about internal contradictions within the United States
01:44:15.140and perhaps they should use containment well he did say this not to those
01:44:22.780countries but certainly throughout his life he was very much aware of the
01:44:28.480internal contradictions with on within his own society and after the United
01:44:32.840States really became one of the two great superpowers and particularly after
01:44:36.780it began to build up its in his view excessive military strength he often
01:44:42.580said that the job of Americans, the more important job than containing the Soviet Union was containing
01:44:50.040ourselves because it really is the case that for much of the last half of his life he viewed
01:44:57.920the United States as much of a danger to international peace as the Soviet Union.
01:45:05.220One thing we'll get to next episode with the Hans Morgenthau book is what is imperialism?
01:45:12.340imperialism is changing the status quo full stop imperialism is not just economic exploitation
01:45:20.660there's economic exploitation that goes on all over the place just because you know a big bad
01:45:26.000country is using another as a vassal state that doesn't that's not necessarily imperialism what
01:45:31.460imperialism is is changing the operating system of whatever that nation or people or civilization
01:45:38.400is so in that sense if you if we want to talk about in this frame of wokeness and the exporting
01:45:46.800of wokeness it is an exporting changing of the status quo wherever it is and i think that's why
01:45:54.420once you look into that terms it seems more extreme like it's not just teaching people
01:46:00.800about freedom it's completely changing the mind and body and soul of the nations through this
01:46:08.000sort of entropy that we're exporting but it's done with the same system of american diplomacy
01:46:16.420outlined here which is that as long as you cloak that in a moral good it doesn't even matter what0.98
01:46:22.200it is because there's a long history of america just taking shit and then figuring it out later0.86
01:46:29.460and the example we gave is look at world war one look at world war two and scholars of these wars0.92
01:46:36.540will understand this and people in our scene will understand this but you know under you understand
01:46:41.820that most people don't right um he says once in the war we had no difficulty in discovering and
01:46:48.780lost no time in doing so that the issues involved in it were of the greatest significance to us
01:46:54.140it is surely a curious characteristic of democracy this amazing ability to shift gears overnight in
01:47:00.380one's ideological attitudes depending on whether one considered oneself at war or at peace day
01:47:07.100before yesterday let us say the issues at stake between ourselves and another power
01:47:12.940were not worth the life of a single american boy together nothing else counts at all our cause is
01:47:19.420holy the cost is of no consideration violence must know no limitation short of unconditional
01:47:25.980surrender and think of how how many times that pivot has existed in in our lives seeing different
01:47:33.820conflicts and seeing you know how many times when it's not one worth it's not worth one american
01:47:38.540life now it's worth um you know even in ukraine there might have been a time where said we want
01:47:43.740to avoid war it's not worth one american ukrainian soul now it's worth every single one of them we
01:47:48.540actually don't give a yeah yeah look i always bring it back to the ukraine war right now between
01:47:54.860ukraine and russia because i think it lays bare the cynicism at play here everyone on the right
01:48:00.160kind of sees that ukraine is being used as this sort of puppet state but really paid and i'm not0.98
01:48:06.980the first to comment on this but really look at how like they don't give a shit how many ukraines0.98
01:48:12.240are thrown into that meat grinder but they are also but this is in the car the service of good0.97
01:48:18.900this is the service of individual liberty really like how how many people are you going to send
01:48:26.040carelessly into the slaughter over that and you know now that all makes sense
01:48:31.980he says let me try then to sum up the main conclusions to which i am carried by the
01:48:38.180observation i put before you here and by the earlier ones brought forward by the chicago
01:48:43.280lectures we have seen a variety of the faults of american diplomacy as they have revealed themselves
01:48:49.760over the entire span of the 20th century up to the second world war they were largely the
01:48:54.800faults of a young and somewhat naive people overtaken by the heady and disorienting forces
01:49:00.480of modern nationalism coupled with the unsettling consciousness of our own growing strength which
01:49:06.560was rapidly elevating us into the ranks of the major powers we were affected in those years by
01:49:12.080something of the relatively innocent erraticism of the adolescent who is becoming aware of his own
01:49:18.000strength since this last great war a wholly different situation has come into being we've
01:49:24.540been put as a nation to entirely different tests obliged to deal with a wholly different order of
01:49:29.940demands now sometimes we have responded i think as well as any country could or would have responded
01:49:35.100but in other instances and i hope these lectures have shown we have not he said when you stop to
01:49:40.380think about it it's not surprising we are a nation which has no traditional concepts of military
01:49:45.800strategy or of the place of military power in the structure of our national life except for our own
01:49:51.500civil war which is quite a different thing and was fought for a different purpose our involvement
01:49:55.940with the use of armed force in the modern age have occurred primarily in the confusing and to some
01:50:01.580extent misleading experiences of two world wars of the century both these wars ended in unconditional
01:50:08.400surrender encouraging us in the view that the purpose of war was not to bring about a mutually
01:50:13.680advantageous compromise but to completely destroy the power and the will of the adversary
01:50:19.020in both those wars but particularly the second we departed increasingly from the principle embodied
01:50:25.320in the earlier rules of warfare that war should be waged only against the armed forces of an enemy
01:50:31.080not against the helpless civilian population there's one other thing here that he mentions
01:50:36.460earlier that i think also adds a bit of context to this he says let me expand a bit on this
01:50:41.660tendency of ours to insist on seeing as blind puppets of some other great power weaker or
01:50:47.020smaller factions there seems to be a curious american tendency to search at all times for a
01:50:53.120single external center of evil to which all other troubles can be attributed rather than to recognize
01:50:59.100that there might be multiple sources of resistance to our purposes and undertakings and that these
01:51:03.980sources might be relatively independent of each other. We can talk all day about the bipolarity
01:51:11.200of power that was introduced by the Cold War and Russia versus the Soviet Union, which again
01:51:16.240was a historically unique situation that had never existed before. But you're combining all
01:51:23.220these sort of unique American outlooks. And that's what he's talking about here, the unique
01:51:27.060American outlook. And remember, this is a public policy and international relations landmark book,
01:51:33.320The belief that we're always cloaking our perhaps cynical, but also materialistic, but also imperialistic goals in ideology that can pivot at any given time.
01:51:47.480that there is a tendency to based on america's experience with war as a civilization to see0.96
01:51:55.860total war and total capitulation as the norm um and that all wars have to be fucking total
01:52:05.180dominance and also that there's usually it's usually america or the west versus some other0.81
01:52:12.540central evil power now i don't know if the if that last one is true now i do think there is
01:52:19.820an understanding of multi-polarity in the american state apparatus but i do think those first two
01:52:26.420remain or at the very least they're still employed this sort of what he calls the legalistic
01:52:32.260moralistic approach we still employ the legalistic moralistic approach to all international affairs
01:52:38.060whereas historically that's not what was used at all but when you use the legalistic moralistic
01:52:43.680approach everything is a lot more black and white and it seems that much larger conflict is
01:52:51.880inevitable now what do you think about all that again this was written in the 60s but i still
01:52:57.440think a lot of it is relevant today yeah no it's reasonable yeah and a lot of these like 20th
01:53:03.800century geopolitics books kind of make the same argument that everything was better when we had
01:53:09.760kings and princes um but i i liked this book because it showed the relationship of us of
01:53:18.320by us i mean the west broadly of of utilizing this sort of moral goodness and almost for
01:53:25.860force teaching that to the rest of the world i think america is still the leader of that and i
01:53:31.340I still think that a place like China and these other great powers,
02:09:12.200Oh, I was going to ask you, so from my reading of this, and we'll get to this in more detail in a second, and just based on your description there, it seems that the ideology behind this takes a lot of wild swings in a lot of different directions.
02:09:28.620But it seems to me that if you trace the genesis of this thing, ironic, if you trace the genesis of it, it seems that all of these other sort of fringe ideologies are subordinate to the Satanism part.
02:09:41.480So like, if you were to look at some of the Iron March stuff, like you would see swastikas, skull masks, all kinds of shit. But it seems that it's all just in service of this overarching Satanism. And I would argue degeneracy because you had mentioned here in the article, the O9A is known for its emphasis on personal autonomy and individual self-discovery with members encouraged to explore their own paths and interpretations of the group's teachings.
02:10:08.940So at the very core of it, you know, it's hard for me to imagine how that would weld very easily onto National Socialism or Islam or anything.
02:10:18.360So it just seems that it's Satanism at its core with a bunch of different clothing on.
02:10:27.760But that's because the doctrine itself pushes what it calls the satanic dialectic, which is to, one, it's to build up the individual.
02:10:37.560But two, it's also to create chaos in the society, which they see is fulfilling that dialectic.
02:10:45.660And it encourages them specifically in the book Hostia.
02:10:48.620They have these things called Noctilians, which are people who infiltrate radical organizations.
02:10:53.640And Hostia, it tells them to infiltrate far right organizations because they have an element of satanic extremism attached to them because of their radicalism.
02:11:04.940and it encourages them to join these groups subvert them to satanic means to create death
02:11:10.380destruction and chaos and uh it believes that by doing this it will further uh
02:11:19.840their like self-improvement essentially and in the religious doctrine it believes by doing this
02:11:27.000they can attain enlightenment and get what they call the philosopher's stone which will give them
02:11:30.680maternal life at least just like people read the religious stuff but in terms of other things it
02:11:36.840encourages it also encourages their members to engage in transgenderism too yeah and we're going
02:11:44.440to get to that in a second um and just so people are aware 09a it isn't just like a chat group or
02:11:51.720a forum that there are it is treated as if it is a cult there are different levels for initiates to
02:11:57.840go through. It is treated like, you know, there's knowledge you can get at each level, kind of like
02:12:03.480Scientology in a sense. So the people involved will take this very seriously. And one thing,
02:12:10.300I suppose one thing before I continue is, in your opinion, do you think far right groups are
02:12:16.380uniquely susceptible to this sort of infiltration by the, you call them Noctur, Noctuls or something
02:12:23.120like that noctulians noctulians and you mentioned this in your article as well do you think the far
02:12:28.280right groups are susceptible to that or do you see like left wing or far left groups falling for this
02:12:33.280too no they don't just infiltrate the far right they also infiltrate far left groups uh striker
02:12:39.980actually talked about this in his investigations but one of the groups that was first infiltrated
02:12:45.520before any neo-nazi organization was was actually a pro-north korean communist party in the united
02:12:52.700States called the Rural Party. I know it's kind of crazy, but, and so they do infiltrate left-wing
02:13:01.200organizations and they also infiltrate radical Islamic groups. More specifically on Islam,
02:13:07.600you could talk about, I believe his name is Devin Arthurs from the Atomwaffen division is a pretty
02:13:12.240good example of that. I mean, there's a lot of examples of it. It also encourages its members
02:13:19.100to infiltrate Christianity and to use Christian religious doctrine to encourage violence and
02:13:26.740revolution for chaos. You ever heard that specific quote from the Bible? I came not to bring peace,
02:13:35.640but the sword. That's usually something you'll hear them quote, specifically James Mason to
02:13:43.080encourage terrorism. Now, it's a good thing you mentioned that James Mason, we'll get to the other
02:13:49.580thing I was going to say in a second. Let's talk about James Mason for a second, because early on
02:13:53.300in the article, you mentioned James Mason as one of the original proponents of this, probably one
02:13:59.140of the bigger names people will hear and recognize who that is. James Mason, the author of the Siege
02:14:06.160newsletter and also the siege book um and my connection to that is uh i have a copy of that
02:14:13.560on pdf i've never read i was going to cover it for the show actually because um people might
02:14:19.580remember at least you know a few years ago that was sort of a meme on our site people would say
02:14:23.740read siege read siege similar to people used to say people are reading culture of critique
02:14:30.540which is you know we are great fans and admirers of kevin mcdonald on the show but we've never
02:14:35.900actually read James Mason. But, you know, he, would you say that he's an example of the guy,
02:14:43.760the more I read about him in your article, it seems that even though he's the poster child for
02:14:48.080a guy standing beside swastikas, it seems that his connection to the satanic church was stronger
02:14:56.640than his connection to Nazism. I don't know if that's true. That's just the feeling I get from
02:15:01.240looking at the stuff he was into would you feel all right speaking of mason well in his youth
02:15:07.820he was connected with the american nazi party and he was never particularly like relevant inside the
02:15:14.420group itself he was just a kid when he joined it and not too long after joining it it kind of
02:15:19.220imploded anyways and he ended up getting involved with a guy called joseph tomasi who led the
02:15:25.580National Socialist Liberation Front, which was like a revolutionary neo-Nazi group that wanted
02:15:32.020to engage in terrorism and guerrilla warfare against the United States government. And
02:15:38.480kind of a similarity, I guess you could reference here, would be kind of like Robert Matthews,
02:15:45.000The Order. They really weren't satanic. They might have had more pagan leanings,
02:15:51.340but they were legitimate like national socialist organizations who actually understood the
02:15:55.800philosophy and stuff behind it they just had tactics i would very heavily disagree with
02:16:00.720and mason was affiliated with tomasi well tomasi ended up getting murdered it's kind of like the
02:16:07.000long story short and mason ended up becoming one of the more prominent people to kind of carry on
02:16:14.340his kind of like mantle or legacy i guess you could say and i don't really think mason's done
02:16:20.020a very good job at that but it's like a different discussion well eventually after all that would
02:16:27.420happen you kind of have like the manson stuff serial killer all that and he becomes like a big
02:16:34.320just start to dwell on that for a sec for people who don't know i'm just going to read this part
02:16:39.020from your article um from 1980 to 1986 mason published siege in newsletter form there he
02:16:46.740spread the idea that neo-nazis should follow the serial killer charles manson as the next adolf
02:16:53.140hitler um and so one thing that i had thought of when reading this and i've followed i've known
02:16:59.800about this for a while i've known that charles manson has his fans and mason was a big admirer
02:17:04.580manson but and he will say they were playing pals yeah they're pen pals and he'll claim that
02:17:09.760he liked helter skelter and the city of race war now the question i had was does mason like the
02:17:17.240race part or the war part because it sounds like maybe he just likes the war and is using
02:17:23.140the like total fucking chaotic war and is using the race element as just a way to get that going
02:17:30.520one of many possible ways does that make any sense it does but the thing is is that mason0.96
02:17:38.280like his concept universal order and the symbol the universal order which is kind of like an
02:17:44.400organization he carried on after was actually coined by uh manson and the whole idea is that
02:17:50.060you have a justice scale but it's balanced so evil is balanced with good and then the swastika
02:17:56.300instead of the swastika turning in the right direction like it normally does which represents
02:18:01.600god in like order there it's going in the left direction which represents like chaos and like
02:18:07.440death which is like the opposite of it and the implication of that symbolism is kind of it's
02:18:15.680saying that order out of chaos or chaos out of order essentially is kind of like the whole
02:18:20.840messaging there and so his idea like helter skelter in that context is complete and total
02:18:27.320chaos using uh racial relations and accelerating it to achieve the type of state that we want
02:18:33.880uh i do think mason isn't ideologically committed like neo-nazi i just think that he has a very
02:18:41.880warped understanding of the ideology itself that's partly because of manson and around the time he
02:18:49.660started publishing this stuff in favor of manson and helter skelter he became friends with the
02:18:54.680founder of the the church of satan anton lave who's jewish and uh also boyd rice who's a musician
02:19:03.220i don't know if anybody remembers them and then it was also a guy called james madol the leader
02:19:07.860of the national renaissance party uh who was also big into this crap now in terms of mason's
02:19:17.660relations with lave uh the high priest from the church of satan called uh peter gilmore0.68
02:19:24.500in one article uh for the black flame which is kind of like the church of satan's magazine at
02:19:32.200the time or like i mean paper it praised mason calling him a man with wisdom you have another
02:19:39.540one with him next to gilmore and some other random dude i don't even know his name it behind mason's
02:19:45.860pentagram he's holding pornography he also got a signed version of the satanic bible from anton
02:19:51.660which described mason as a man of courage and reason and one of the big parallels that mason
02:20:01.460agreed at the church of satan on was their incorporation of ragnar redbeard's might is
02:20:06.680right which was like a significant influence on satanism but also mason's ideas that
02:20:12.660it draws inspiration from the idea that people should break away from conventional morality or
02:20:20.780social norms and instead it should be dictated by action and force and what that action and force
02:20:27.140dictates in the first place so mason believes that the only way you're going to have change
02:20:32.600or things progress in society to establish say national socialism is we may have to kill 60
02:20:39.700of the population even if it's moral or ethical who cares that's what has to be done the ends
02:20:46.720the means justify the ends essentially is like his view there and of course it's not completely
02:20:52.580similar to what the church of satan's advocating but it is similar in the sense that he has an
02:20:57.620emphasis on individualism and personal freedom as an incorporated way of promoting and rejecting
02:21:04.300the current social order advocating social revolution against the government and arguing0.93
02:21:10.900on behalf the extermination of non-whites essentially yeah i mean i gotta so in your
02:21:18.760piece you know i'm looking at it right now and there is a photo of james mason and he's like0.73
02:21:26.280you had described standing there in front of a pentagram holding pornography looking very serious
02:21:33.160standing beside two guys larping as priests holding guns and you know i look at this and i don't want
02:21:41.300to speak out of turn but to me and probably many others this does seem simultaneously gay and0.90
02:21:48.260retarded and hilarious you know like the idea of it's like we're gonna do all the stuff at once0.69
02:21:53.440every taboo we're gonna do i'm gonna be like a weird a guy that's what like like james mason0.95
02:21:58.320looks like a fuck fucking accountant well it's also funny the two dudes and that one of the one1.00
02:22:03.480dude to his next to him looks like a pedophile then the other one looks like a fucking nerd1.00
02:22:07.440well it's true and also these people are pedophiles and they are trannies and i think it's all the1.00
02:22:14.260the degenerate stuff and i'm looking at this i'm like like this it demands not to be taken0.99
02:22:20.820seriously i'm not saying it's not these people aren't crazy because they're very clearly crazy
02:22:24.740but how seriously would you take aside from the fact that they've put a hit out on you
02:22:31.880how many people involved in this do you think take it seriously i mean there's some people0.95
02:22:40.080who dabble in this shit and they just do it because they think it's funny in a meme i know0.94
02:22:44.220some people like that uh i've caliph is a dude i've had him on my channel a few times to talk0.98
02:22:51.820with he's always memeing about them as he thinks it's funny but then you do have like legitimate
02:22:56.920people that take this stuff like very seriously and actually engage in it then you're always0.99
02:23:03.580want to have like a shit poster doing this shit or like a troll and it's just to freak you out0.97
02:23:09.100but there is like legitimate people who think this stuff and like an example is like when you0.99
02:23:15.160go on terror gram when they're advocating leaderless resistance where you have like
02:23:19.380lone wolves going out doing terror attacks all of that stuff comes from mason's justifications
02:23:24.640and arguments on the individual liberating himself from like modern society using satanic
02:23:31.360philosophy and uh yeah what's interesting and this really doesn't bode well for white people0.99
02:23:40.840because at least with muslims the muslim terrorists seem not gay and retarded like i'm not trying to0.98
02:23:48.100advocate for islam here we're not huge fans of islam over here but i'm like when i look at0.99
02:23:54.800muslim terrorists i don't see them as like satanic trannies at least at the very least0.99
02:24:02.280they might be illiterate they might they might be inbred but they don't look like me they don't0.99
02:24:06.220look like a living meme it is like the best way i can say it well here's a part here from your
02:24:11.480article um it said the 098 cult is known to embrace the concept of androgyny which involves
02:24:18.540transcending traditional gender identity and embracing both masculine and feminine aspects
02:24:24.080of the self and we all know where this is going this is often seen as a means of achieving
02:24:29.360spiritual enlightenment or transcendence beyond social norms basically what we're getting at is
02:24:33.220there's a lot of femme boys cat boys and trannies would that be accurate to say yeah
02:24:37.640yeah so like a lot of them will take hrt and they'll still identify as being male
02:24:44.980and we're androgynous essentially is like a neutral gender and the reason they do that
02:24:50.300isn't just spiritual enlightenment uh you know baphomet right baphomet is famously on top of0.98
02:24:57.880baphomet besides like the goat head it has titties and on the bottom has a penis so like it has both0.97
02:25:02.980male and female uh reproductive organs so when they're doing that as a form of spiritual0.99
02:25:08.460enlightenment they're trying to transcend uh physical material reality and kind of shift
02:25:16.080themselves spiritually and physically into a new entity which is how they're trying to move out of
02:25:22.580the physical realm and into the spiritual realm and become a god essentially and they believe that
02:25:27.160by doing that they must become androgynous and like gender neutral essentially which means they0.97
02:25:32.000have to take fucking like pink pills i guess well let me ask you this and maybe this is an unknowable0.99
02:25:39.120question but from your vantage point does this movement attract uh psychotic transgenders or1.00
02:25:47.560does it transform people into psychotic transgenders well i could make that simple i've
02:25:53.900known people who actually got into this stuff before i got very serious about like trying to0.91
02:26:00.880expose it and i watched them literally turn into trannies and then in terms of people associated
02:26:07.180but i did a whole another article called the neo-nazi transgender overlap that shows that0.97
02:26:12.200that showed that there's actual scientific stuff that shows there's fucking correlation between0.97
02:26:17.580this shit which is kind of surprising it's not like a definitive study but there's enough studies0.97
02:26:22.240out there i can put something together that says yeah uh if you're involved in extreme politics0.99
02:26:26.460you have mental illness of some kind like say like asperger's syndrome and you're more predestined0.96
02:26:32.980to be neurotic and trans and trun out essentially and then take it out on society and like there's0.98
02:26:39.240actual stuff that shows this i worked with uh uber soy on that you know he didn't want credited
02:26:43.880in the article because he thinks associated with me is bad optics but it's whatever well you know
02:26:50.020a lot of our audience would see associated with uber soys being bad optics so you know
02:26:54.240that cuts both ways i mean we don't really agree on me and him i know but i got nothing against0.98
02:27:01.060I don't give a shit. He's fine in my books, you know, but yeah, I mean, I can work with him on stuff I agree on. Although some people like he's a Jew. It's like, OK, but like, I mean, I still work with him and I'm very famously pro-Russian and he's pretty favorable to Ukraine, but we can still work together on things.0.86
02:27:17.820see peace is probable the only real advocates for peace are on the i think we can charitably
02:27:26.080call this the schizophrenic right that's what we are um there's just a part here in your article
02:27:32.640that i like of just on the topic we're just discussing mason thinks that satanism should
02:27:37.900be a path for the strong and superior to assert their dominance over the weak and inferior and
02:27:43.180that any attempt to promote equality or social justice is antithetical to the true spirit of0.98
02:27:48.500satanism and i try and square that with the fact that they're taking pills to grow tits and posting0.91
02:27:54.020selfies and thigh high stockings like it's just difficult for me to reconcile those uh so i think0.95
02:28:01.260about it like this uh star wars sith philosophy so like if you actually take the whole like sith
02:28:06.900motto or the idea that the the sith have in the star wars universe and this is like very soy level0.64
02:28:12.260but there's actually a lot of there's a lot of parallels between this and the fucking0.95
02:28:17.180star wars sith philosophy which kind of tells you how cartoonishly like retarded it is0.89
02:28:22.660and there's one thing i wanted to mention before uh we move on to the next part um
02:28:28.440i want to get your opinion on this because i think i saw something similar that's happened
02:28:33.740in real time and this was discussed on the clip we did a while ago about futurism and in that clip
02:28:41.440we discussed uh the origins of the futurism artistic movement and the uh the political
02:28:48.040philosophy part i think it was marinetti um we actually reviewed the futurist manifesto we
02:28:53.700actually reviewed a couple of futurist manifestos the original one and then the iron march one
02:28:57.760the american futurist manifesto and um there was an individual who we don't need to name him but
02:29:05.600we both know who i'm talking about who ran a futurism channel um and this is a guy who gravitated
02:29:12.660towards this political scene in the far right and he was sort of a third positionist but came at it
02:29:18.100from the angle of anarchism and then he fell out the third positionist and gotten this this political
02:29:25.400movement from the early 20th century called futurism and he started a channel uh promoting
02:29:30.960futurist stuff and it seemed that there was a lot of futurist art it's it's a cool enough looking
02:29:37.560art style but it's it's from a very specific window of time there's only a few really great
02:29:44.580pieces i think um but then over time i saw the content he was posting start to broaden past that
02:29:52.560art style i started seeing more ultra violence i started seeing more gore it was subtle at first0.86
02:29:58.300it just seemed that he was confused about what futurism was or just wanted edgy shit0.85
02:30:02.400then he just started seeing like torture hentai and like weird porn and just like wild anti-social0.73
02:30:11.520sort of stuff and then i started to connect the dots that i saw what the futurism movement was
02:30:16.920being promoted by iron march which was like they're taking futurism and trying to bring it
02:30:22.240into that realm of ultraviolence and anti-social behavior and that sort of that aesthetic everyone
02:30:27.300knows where it's like black and white and edgy but i do wonder if like what i was witnessing0.96
02:30:32.620was the corruption of this individual over time into just a guy who promotes like weird fucked0.98
02:30:39.860up gay satanic bullshit again he started posting more gay stuff in time over time well futurism0.99
02:30:46.360already has those intrinsic satanic elements in it because if you notice like when you read1.00
02:30:51.300futurism it talks about the emphasis on individualism speed violence and chaos and
02:30:56.440in like youth it if you take that in its most radical interpretation and like mean it literally
02:31:03.940uh you already have something that's very in line with satanism yeah i mean it it's only a hop skip0.98
02:31:11.440and a jump until it's just gay sex with guys holding guns to each other's heads i mean that's0.95
02:31:15.980really the only form it can take if you follow it all the way to the bottom but ironically with0.98
02:31:23.140iron march uh slavros was actually one of the biggest even though he started like the whole
02:31:28.740siege meme and he was promoting american futurism he was actually one of the biggest obstacles to
02:31:34.860this stuff actually taking off in iron march because he knew what 09a was and he was actively
02:31:41.000opposing its introduction into the community or trying to fight it off so this he was actually
02:31:46.180trying to gatekeep it out but ultimately failed yeah so i guess we can kind of wander down that
02:31:53.800path for a minute here one thing we had mentioned before was aside from the transgenderism there's
02:32:00.960also uh prevalence of general degeneracy now do you see that as again i don't want to beat this
02:32:09.300point too much but it does seem central because a lot of the content produced by them is like
02:32:14.340strangely sexual and they're posting images like dildos are talking about rape all the time
02:32:20.160because how because sexual stuff uh it reflects like a power dynamic and you kind of have you
02:32:28.140ever read like like say like uh the author guy called reich who wrote a book called the mass0.99
02:32:34.580psychology of fascism uh or like maxine gorky uh like exterminate homosexuals he exterminate
02:32:41.540fascism that's not something i actually think but the whole reason that gorky a communist and
02:32:47.100reich who's like a jewish psychologist were saying that is because authoritarianism is
02:32:52.080correlated like at least like extreme brutal authoritarianism is correlated with like a type
02:32:57.800of like uh sexual undertone to it which is why you find them with like weirder and more obscene
02:33:04.560sexual fetishes so when it's doing that it's it's trying to relate to them on a power level
02:33:13.620and a sexual level and this also gets into serial killers uh a lot of them become serial killers
02:33:20.360because of it sometimes it mostly starts off as sexual thing like for jeffrey dahmer it was looking0.71
02:33:25.620at men like men in wrestling magazines and masturbating it to it then putting them in
02:33:31.580bondage and having the idea of controlling them and getting off to it so for them like the whole0.91
02:33:35.640authoritarian personality thing is like purely a sexual device and it's it's all it's about
02:33:43.200individuals having control over other people and that's where they really get off to it it's like
02:33:48.280it's something inherent to like psychopaths yeah and just as a sidebar there it's kind of funny
02:33:54.440they used to just have wrestling magazines like that huh just like magazines of photos of men0.90
02:34:00.260grappling each other it seems like that was set like obviously gay men would be buying that0.99
02:34:05.140gay violent men i mean gay men gay men and trannies are more violent than the general1.00
02:34:12.740population anyways like most serial killers are gay on the right you know we like to make fun of1.00
02:34:20.300the left for uh having the preponderance of transgender individuals but there does seem to0.97
02:34:26.920be a healthy amount on the right too and you had mentioned something just that i completely glossed
02:34:31.740over um if you'd like to spend some time on there the pedophilia angle is that just wrapped up in
02:34:37.580all the other degenerate sexual stuff or does i don't know like the pedophilia stuff seems kind
02:34:43.780of pronounced here that and it's difficult i can see people using certain sexual imagery to be
02:34:51.220chaotic or satanic but the pedophilia is so abhorrent to the average person it seems to me
02:34:57.640that you could only have genuine pedophiles employing it so like talk to a bit about like the
02:35:03.940popularity of pedophilia in this thing well it gets the same reason that a lot of them are like
02:35:10.000gay or into the tranny stuff it's about it's something spiritually related so it's about0.80
02:35:15.860them having control and domination over somebody and then also corrupting something that's innocent0.87
02:35:21.700and possibly damaging it and corrupting it which is what they get off to then uh do you do you
02:35:29.080think there's any evidence of them actually you know sometimes they'll like trade in hentai or
02:35:34.700lollicon or whatever it's called but do you suspect they've been producing any material
02:35:41.400involving real live children well uh i think so because i was in the discord server where they
02:35:50.520were posting that stuff and i gave it to the fbi so it's one of the very few times where i will
02:35:57.400admit that yes in this instance i reached out to the feds to expose pedophiles who also put a bounty1.00
02:36:06.280on my head to have me killed and if somebody's gonna call me a fed for that one fuck you you're1.00
02:36:10.500kike and two they literally are pedophiles you're defending fucking pedophiles i think we can all1.00
02:36:19.100agree you know we all have our opinions on the feds and the government i think you're allowed1.00
02:36:23.080to pick up the phone if satanic pedophiles are trying to assassinate you that's that's one you're0.98
02:36:28.580allowed to do right yeah i mean i don't i i think it's kind of fucked that you have people calling0.99
02:36:33.780you a fed for that but they're defending people who post photos of 10-year-olds of prolapsed0.96
02:36:38.560anuses yeah there's there's any lever i can pull that sends them to hell faster i don't care if my
02:36:47.580greatest enemy gets a billion dollars i'm gonna pull that lever to whatever persecution i can
02:36:54.480rain down upon them i think that's fair i don't think there's gonna be a lot of people who are0.86
02:36:58.600gonna crawl up your ass about that but you brought up now that we're talking about feds0.82
02:37:03.480um there's another angle to this which was covered by eric striker in his article um about how0.98
02:37:10.880uh the o9a or was it the o9a or is it adam waffen there's some component to this that seems to have
02:37:17.800been okay both controlled or involved and i know there was a story um i'd read a story about adam
02:37:23.640waffen specifically how the leaders of that were these two train wrecks who were involved directly
02:37:30.760with the feds but could you this is kind of a long thing so uh we're gonna have to start an iron
02:37:36.740march here because originally he had this guy called ryan fleming uh who was later arrested
02:37:43.400for pedophilia ironically enough but he was on iron march and back in 2015 of october in the 25th
02:37:49.960posting about the o9a and also on may 9th advocating on buff of the on behalf of it and
02:37:56.560trying to get iron march to uh get in contact the temple of blood uh slavros shut fleming down
02:38:04.100and banned him over it but fleming was also eventually a member of adam often division
02:38:08.680and around 2016 2017 is when you really see like adam often's teachings becoming more overtly and
02:38:17.980openly satanic and there's a reason for that so you have this guy called odin
02:38:24.300who was the original leader he ended up getting arrested for having bomb material and he also
02:38:33.780lived with the dude who was like a muslim that killed two of his roommates which is how the
02:38:38.420cops found the bomb in the first place which is kind of funny well john cameron denton also known
02:38:44.600as rape or vincent snyder took over the organization after which is when it started
02:38:50.680going in this direction and some people kind of question like how it started moving in this
02:38:58.160direction well in 2016 on cameron's instagram we found him with satanic imagery which kind of
02:39:05.680correlates around the 2016 2017 time when it started moving in this direction but it also
02:39:12.000gets even crazier because we also have a google plus account which shows the same imagery on his
02:39:18.780a met metapedia page uh his like roommate skype uh one of his friends is called noctulius
02:39:25.880and then in 2017 i had a conversation with dante and a anonymous account which is like a member of
02:39:33.220adam waffen who admitted to satanism in the group and then vex from flash lash which i have a link
02:39:39.240to that on the article also debated some adam waffen members over this but it gets even more
02:39:46.660wacky because there's this dude called uh let me see if i can find his name uh swiss disciple
02:39:53.180well swiss disciple was a moderator or like slash admin of siege culture which i'm not really sure
02:40:02.580when the first siege culture launched uh specifically i can't remember but swiss
02:40:08.500disciple was actually this dude called uh i think it was like sutter yeah i'm seeing it
02:40:15.160individual here named sutter in satanic communist uniform oh jesus so his name was
02:40:24.880last name is sutter come on where's his first name need to find it
02:40:29.160whatever i can't find it but basically this dude called sutter was like a member of
02:40:35.640uh arian nations and then he was like an informant on some dudes and he got blacklisted from the
02:40:43.360group and around the time he got blacklisted he got paid he got paid a lot of money by the feds
02:40:52.040i seem to find the exact number on the article that i don't have it memorized i think it was
02:40:56.280around 80 000 something dollars he got paid to start up uh his like publishing company uh temple
02:41:04.560of blood where he started publishing things like iron gates or uh other like satanic literature
02:42:10.180yeah i just felt accurate kind of kind of a quicker rundown than what i was saying so i was
02:42:16.340trying to find that stuff that's okay and just another part here that the works of the temple
02:42:22.180of blood the american chapter of the order of the nyangles run by sutter and his fellow fbi
02:42:26.220informant named jillian hoy has helped inspire a recent rash of ritual murders in canada and russia
02:42:32.920Yeah. Besides that, Sutter also had connections with the Azov Battalion and was actually getting people from Atomov and divisions, including other groups, to go into Ukraine where they were being trained by the Azov Battalion to then come back to the United States so they could do terrorism.
02:42:55.000now i am not very well versed on the azo battalion i know they're a very very big
02:43:01.020talking point on our side a lot of people for them a lot of people against them
02:43:04.240anybody for the okay like i'm gonna i'm gonna let you okay first of all don't don't fed post
02:43:10.440but i i wanna you can go on record on your feelings about the azo battalion where do you
02:43:16.000think they fit into all this they're literally cia glow niggers and anybody supporting them0.95
02:43:22.360as a CIA glow nigger that's how I feel about him I have I have very hateful opinions about0.99
02:43:28.160Ukrainians too like it's like it's like Auschwitz level type hate and see this is as tempered as0.85
02:43:36.160Zolt gets usually so I'm actually very proud of you for only calling them that um but like
02:43:42.320the Azov battalion like would you say you know there's all these stories about Azov members
02:43:47.380linked to this that sometimes it's hard to tell in the the lies around this war what's truer and
02:43:53.020what's propaganda but would you say that this is before the conflict oh well okay if you would
02:43:58.860kind of go into that a little bit we don't need to go down this too much i'm just i've never heard
02:44:02.540this angle to it before though i mean basically this dude was organizing i don't know his contact's
02:44:10.180name but the fbi knows about it he was in contact with the fbi he was organizing training camps in
02:44:15.680ukraine for americans and other europeans to go there get training go back to their country and
02:44:21.280do terrorism and the azov battalion was essentially giving them the same training they were getting
02:44:27.940from nato so that means the united states is going over into ukraine training like a neo-nazi0.83
02:44:33.460militia group it's funded by jews and also the cia who was then in turn training satanic pedophile1.00
02:44:40.180neo-nazi death cults to come to the united states and do fucking like jihadi type shit0.99
02:44:46.760so it's kind of wild a confused clusterfuck of interests or how much do you think because0.99
02:44:52.920to revisit the fed angle like how active are the feds still in this sort of thing like would you
02:45:00.620say that they're directly controlling their actions or they're facilitating it or how involved
02:45:06.140would you say they are i think the way they facilitate it and control it is they have
02:45:10.420they have some people that are like probably actual fbi agents like producing this material
02:45:16.320and and advocating on behalf of it that's like half of it but the other half is you have0.94
02:45:22.860a mentally deficient midwit who looks like a chud who actually believes this stuff and then goes out1.00
02:45:30.900and does it like i you you might remember like how they did all these like stupid like troll0.99
02:45:36.500campaigns where people get spam of gore and all that uh a lot of this stuff is connected to that
02:45:41.400in the sense that it was a form of co-and-toe pro where it was to try and get people who have like
02:45:46.720legitimate moral grievances with things to disassociate with uh national excuse me national
02:45:54.140socialism because terrorism and very reprehensibly morally bad positions were being associated with
02:46:02.140it, including degenerate behaviors that most people do not agree with. When I hear about
02:46:08.340this, and I might be reaching a bit on this, but one of the historical events we'd covered on the
02:46:14.280show previously was the involvement of the CIA in the hippie movement. Now, this is getting into
02:46:19.960conspiracy theory territory but there's a lot of uh true believers in this that the hippie
02:46:25.760counterculture movement writ large was at least in part guided by the cia to route what was a
02:46:34.120fairly growing and effective anti-war movement and try and you know divert them into just
02:46:40.100psychedelic drugs and sex and degeneracy and no i cult of personality and what that's actually
02:46:45.980that's actually a real thing it's part of like the entire experiments on the human potential
02:46:50.380movement and mk ultra but they also did this with like left-wing radicals uh specifically in like
02:46:56.460the black nationalist movement like angela davis is a pretty famous example of a fed who uh is a
02:47:01.840leadership position in the black nationalist community is not taken seriously by anybody
02:47:05.980but she still gets touted out by the mainstream well and that's i was gonna so this is something
02:47:12.000that has been done before and a lot of other events get some pretty confident press coverage0.96
02:47:18.240so just to let people know this sort of thing isn't beyond the pale for fucking feds to do0.85
02:47:23.300oh no it's not and uh the other thing too is you'll realize is like when you hang out and say0.92
02:47:29.280like teragram they have this thing called hail the saints which is like referring to robert