Blood Satellite - John Void Selling Grannies at the Latin Grammys [＂in the blues musicians are doing all the vanguard＂]

00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be

00:00:07.760 blood satellite i gotta make a confession i did something very bad very wrong did you did you did

00:00:24.920 you poop the bed what did you do i didn't poop that i don't like that that's the first thing

00:00:29.200 you think of but i i came up with something that if not a curse is curse adjacent um and i'm gonna

00:00:38.200 i shudder of speaking it into the world i'm gonna say it now you're gonna be complacent with it

00:00:44.560 you're gonna be in this with me so it's a new meme you're gonna be complicit it what did i say

00:00:53.100 Complacent.

00:00:54.920 I'm pretty sure I said

00:00:56.660 complicit.

00:00:57.720 Okay, okay.

00:01:02.460 I'm going to say it. Now you're going to be complacent

00:01:04.840 with it. Kill yourself!

00:01:08.580 No, but if you're

00:01:10.260 confident, just double down.

00:01:12.580 Go feet first into this.

00:01:13.720 Let us know in the comments.

00:01:18.040 I have the

00:01:18.800 power to make me say whatever

00:01:20.580 right one that's true you do okay sorry this is a meme that i think could be employed by the

00:01:27.820 conservatives all right so bear with me here imagine this as a tweet imagine this as one of

00:01:35.160 those guys who has a show right he says lgbt seems a bit more like kgbt to me

00:01:44.340 can't you see that in your mind's eye yeah i actually like it though do you i will okay

00:01:59.280 it's got it's got a certain a certain boomer je ne sais quoi we were saying we're saying earlier

00:02:06.220 uh where's you know we were talking about it's in the chat or something but the idea that

00:02:10.160 the fucking uh the the conservative normal folk keep calling trudeau a nazi yeah they keep like

00:02:18.900 and like matt walsh or whoever is saying that the tranny surgeons in in germany were nazis

00:02:23.960 and it's like no they're communists so just anything to kind of plant the seed that this is

00:02:29.260 this is a jewish maybe okay we can't say jewish but it's a communist takeover and then if you

00:02:34.620 want to dig on communism it's jewish all the way down so it's easy to go there that's a shorter

00:02:39.180 threat to pull yeah yeah that watching was so fucking funny he got held on that right away i

00:02:44.960 didn't look into whether he walked any of that back but like even people who would be against

00:02:51.560 him even though like it seems that everyone of every political stripe would call him out like

00:02:57.120 the the thing he was saying like magus hirschfeld created gender ideology and even in the thing he

00:03:04.080 was citing he said it was burned by the nazis so the nazis burned their own resources they didn't

00:03:08.700 make any fucking sense yeah to the point where i'm like is was that on purpose because i i don't

00:03:15.440 know how disconnected matt walsh is from this like every so often he'll say something like a real

00:03:24.540 loud dog whistle a wink like he said anti-semitic things before i i swear i've heard them before i

00:03:31.460 can't remember what they are but i remember pointing at it and saying uh-huh there it is

00:03:35.100 And I remember saying it's pretty daring of him to say that under the umbrella of Ben Shapiro.

00:03:42.220 So I'm like, he's got to know.

00:03:43.340 He's got to know that was a preposterous thing.

00:03:47.220 I think sometimes, first of all, I think Daily Wire is totally a control dom.

00:03:50.460 I think, but it's not a pressure relief.

00:03:51.860 It's like a backstop where it's like controlling our side of the narrative and making sure it doesn't go over a certain line.

00:03:59.780 and sometimes i feel like those dog whistles stuff that the left interprets as anti-semitic

00:04:05.500 and we can also interpret as anti-semitic but four or five years ago would not have been

00:04:10.780 interpreted as anti-semitic like for example saying globalist like the word globalist like

00:04:14.840 everybody now takes that as an anti-semitic dog whistle but it very recently was not and i think

00:04:20.960 it's like using the word if the only way you can say he's anti-semitic is because he talks about

00:04:24.720 globalists that's there's a lot of plausible deniability there right and if that's as far as

00:04:29.640 he ever goes then that's your backstop because he's aside from him talking about globalists him

00:04:34.820 talking about globalists is just what keeps us on his channel because we're the ones being backstopped

00:04:39.740 aside from that he's doing fucking trips to israel he's you know saying that these that this jewish

00:04:45.740 transgender surgeon was actually not jewish and he was a nazi like that's the most jewish thing

00:04:51.080 i've heard all week man come on see we can all agree that there's some 5d chess game being played

00:04:58.280 here yes it's up to us to figure if he's playing the game against me with me or i'm one of the

00:05:05.220 pieces i don't know i don't and which dimension am i in if i am in fact in the game and not playing

00:05:13.280 the game yeah that's where my mind goes whenever i see one of these tweets whenever i see a tweet

00:05:18.620 It's so dumb, it breaks my paradigm.

00:05:23.080 It breaks my conceptualization of the universe.

00:05:26.040 No, really, it's like the veil is lifted and you're seeing the machinery turning.

00:05:30.100 And you don't know what it does or how it works, but you can see it.

00:05:32.980 It's right fucking in front of you.

00:05:34.860 This is one of the unintended consequences of being a theory cell who spends a bit too much time on Twitter.

00:05:41.480 It's that you just don't accept that a person can say a dumb thing.

00:05:45.460 it has to be so smart that it's bending reality yeah yeah now we're going to move on to just to

00:05:55.100 discuss one thing here and the subject of this little aside is going to be judas wife

00:06:02.260 now it is not my intent to shackle judas wife to my durango and drag her across the gravel until

00:06:14.560 her dainty feet are flapping in the wind however i know where this is going yeah

00:06:18.920 there was an issue of what we might call conflict carbonara gate

00:06:24.340 he loves it he loves i was saying the conflict carbonara he was losing it i've never seen him

00:06:34.160 so happy that was fucking great that was fucking great so your wife who look we all love judas

00:06:39.040 wife the question is how did she choose to make carbonara pasta when she attempted it and she

00:06:52.040 shared this information willingly so i'm not telling any tales out of school here but i need

00:06:56.160 to just for the folks at home was it what was was there i'll just ask you was there cream

00:07:04.160 No

00:07:05.940 Not to my knowledge

00:07:07.600 We are recapping

00:07:10.480 Did your carbonara have any cream in it?

00:07:14.900 What carbonara?

00:07:16.300 You know what I'm talking about

00:07:18.840 Here we go

00:07:19.600 She knows the way out

00:07:22.120 She's at the door already

00:07:23.820 She's trying to gaslight me on my own

00:07:25.660 God dang show

00:07:26.740 She's gaslighting me into saying it was about

00:07:29.980 Bolognese

00:07:30.680 She's going to go back and delete the chat I bet

00:07:33.080 okay so really it was what was so what's the it was supposed to be egg but it was actually cream

00:07:40.960 that's the story right because i don't fucking cook i don't know is it the story or is it the

00:07:45.040 truth the truth no that because i don't my point is i actually don't know where i'm supposed to be

00:07:49.720 because i'm about as dumb as it you know as anyone on this he doesn't even know which side he's on

00:07:54.140 here so all i know is somebody fucked up with the cream and the egg and i just was laughing so

00:07:59.280 i am worried that i'm i'm getting right up to the line of getting her pissed off at me i don't want

00:08:05.600 to do that no no no we were we were having a laugh about it already we were we were pissing

00:08:09.760 off schultz because uh anyway because no i mean so i think it was and let me just say this yeah

00:08:14.380 it was also bacon it was i think it was bacon was it bacon it was bacon sausage something in it

00:08:21.840 i don't remember you see you're you're way out on this now yeah i'm cutting you off i i need

00:08:28.520 I'm going to let you dig your own hole in this.

00:08:30.360 Continue.

00:08:30.780 All right.

00:08:31.200 All right.

00:08:31.760 So I'm going to lay a defensive position here.

00:08:36.020 Carbonara means a lot of things to a lot of different people.

00:08:39.460 I think we need to keep an open mind and we need to be kind to people from

00:08:45.640 other cultures and other walks of life who might think that in the same way

00:08:51.260 that to a trans person.

00:08:53.500 They try and use pasta water.

00:08:54.660 He's talking about being pasta fluid.

00:08:56.460 in the same way that to a trans person you get nothing joy is the feeling they get when they are

00:09:03.780 their correct gender uh to many folk carbonara is the sauce that you get when it is white and it is

00:09:12.320 on bacon and pasta so that that is the kind of carbonara we had i mean it could be alfredo it

00:09:19.460 could have been alfredo i think before she said bolognese she was trying to gaslight it into

00:09:24.000 alfredo so i think it was probably closer to an alfredo earlier she tried to tell me it was a roux

00:09:29.420 i'm like was it a roux and she's like maybe it's a bechamel and i'm like was it and then she walked

00:09:33.780 away so she in her mind she's serving pasta with just a roux on top of it that's see that

00:09:41.500 unfinished gravy yes it's just it's just some stuff the problem is words the thing that i

00:09:51.780 is so funny about this and her and i know this is it it fucking tasted great it was delicious

00:09:56.880 so i that's why i love throwing this stuff out in front of the europeans because we know that

00:10:02.560 they know and they know that we don't know and we all know and we think it's hilarious so

00:10:07.060 oh so it's you're doing this for nationalist reasons it's kind of you know the the canadian

00:10:13.760 thing where you and i always mispronounce words intentionally to piss the listeners off

00:10:17.640 yeah it's like that intentionally it's a joke it's all a bit we only do it to centralize our

00:10:24.380 position nationalistically yeah yeah so and i'm not trying to again not no shots across the bow

00:10:31.980 no dead wives dragged behind a truck in the gravel but we did end up making our own carbonara that

00:10:40.560 night inspired by this and i in the the twisted goings-on of the dimes household there might have

00:10:50.140 been some ill intents behind it i can't say for sure not but dimes wife certainly not but for me

00:10:56.260 because i love carbonara we you know we scratch make carbonara all the fucking time same um but

00:11:02.540 the way and here's i've my entire life i've had bad carbonara because i didn't like it until my

00:11:10.480 wife started making it because i would have it like at a friend's house friend's houses i've

00:11:15.300 never had a good meal eating at a friend's house growing up it was all hamburger helper it was all

00:11:21.620 it like it's the type of food that you really don't want black people to know that we're eating

00:11:27.440 this food yeah it's like i don't want i don't this has got to be just between us whites that

00:11:34.060 we're eating this we're eating like egg noodles and hot dogs don't i don't let the browns know

00:11:40.040 because like curried goat is better more dignified than what some of the stuff i was eating was but

00:11:46.700 carbonara it's like i would get this like watery sauce and it there's like bacon bits in it didn't

00:11:52.540 make sense to me but now when my wife makes it that we get you know we don't make our own pasta

00:11:58.720 but we've actually bought fresh pasta for this before and we were feeling a bit bougie

00:12:03.460 but we'll use it like it's all just cheese essentially cheese and then egg yolk uh at

00:12:11.240 the when you finish it with an egg yolk and then i'm butchering it my wife's gonna get on my

00:12:15.940 fucking ass it's pretty it there's not that many components it just takes a bit of skill to do it

00:12:21.520 and the way i do it is um i like reducing it so i don't know if anyone gives a shit about this but

00:12:27.720 my big thing is i don't like watery sauces i hate runny sauces so i'm always trying to reduce the

00:12:33.000 sauce in a pan whatever the pasta is and with carbonara you can do it on a low heat if you

00:12:38.860 keep it moving so it doesn't congeal because with carbonara the sauce will congeal on you

00:12:43.340 real fucking fast and it'll get tacky and sticky yeah but you you can reduce it and keep it creamy

00:12:49.000 and then you finish it with an egg yolk mix it all in and then we use pancetta buy this pancetta

00:12:55.500 from president's choice it'll last you it's like cured so it'll last you a fucking year if you

00:13:00.120 wanted to uh but yeah it's it it is let me just say this no one make it is divine it is it's good

00:13:09.620 luscious so that was the i think i've probably i think i've probably only had carbonara real

00:13:17.360 carbonara a handful of times in my whole life definitely what we had the other night was just

00:13:22.440 a generic cream sauce it was a it was a working class family preparing meal for toddlers meal

00:13:28.100 so it's the but um yeah it is it's it's good stuff you gotta you gotta yeah do the correct

00:13:36.000 make the correct stuff good pasta takes forever there's mac and cheese is so fucking difficult

00:13:42.820 to make if you're doing it right real mac and cheese real lasagna if you're doing it properly

00:13:48.080 my mom would make dumb bitch lasagna my entire life you know what i'm gonna die on this hill

00:13:55.000 here's what i here's the hill i'm gonna die soon

00:13:58.400 there is a you gotta admit not don't min max is what i'm gonna say you gotta find you gotta find

00:14:08.080 the the happy medium between what is delicious and good for you and what is affordable in terms

00:14:17.600 of money and time such that you can make a point of making it regularly because here's what i'll

00:14:23.980 say to guys that want to piss on my leg about my carbonara not have an egg in it um maybe maybe

00:14:32.120 okay but you made carbon you made revenge carbonara when was the last time you made it before

00:14:38.500 this past week so okay first of all you it's this is a volume play and i don't like it is no no but

00:14:45.820 but it is right because it's like oh well here's because here's the packaged assumption what they

00:14:51.000 they don't want you to question when they say oh you don't know you don't know hey the royal the

00:14:57.540 euros the euros you don't know you don't know all four mother's sauces i have my grandmother's

00:15:03.300 cookbook all right my fine friend across the atlantic how often aside from pan do you make

00:15:10.320 these sauces you don't make these sauces weekly we cook every single meal in this house and they

00:15:15.580 all taste great and you know what we don't always make the fucking correct sauce sometimes we're

00:15:20.680 just using whatever the fuck is in the fridge and you're right we don't have names for half

00:15:25.000 the shit that we make but cooking is the art of possibility let me ask you this you got your

00:15:31.360 four mother sauces is one of those sauces central air is one of those sauces air conditioning in

00:15:43.500 your residence i know what no i don't have air con why why are we talking about that no that

00:15:51.580 europeans don't europeans don't have wait i get it the four mother sauces that they're missing um

00:15:57.500 coal uh nuclear energy nuclear energy portions that aren't just for women for everything

00:16:07.440 um trucks the right to assemble yeah right to assemble is one of those uh french things

00:16:16.020 not having gypsies is one of your mother sauces not having gypsies around my my favorite sauce

00:16:24.240 is no gypsies i have that every day yeah it's one of the four big ones i got that from my

00:16:30.380 grandmother too look we all got we all got old hunched over babushkas with a bunch of cobwebs

00:16:39.080 in the attic all right there's a couple of things we want to get to we are just we're we're rooting

00:16:47.400 and tooting through the shit post area here but i want to talk about the coyote hunt oh yes but

00:16:55.260 before that i want to talk about this idea i had that i found very delightful and we were laughing

00:17:01.420 about this for a while it was um just the first matrix movie but if the races were reversed

00:17:07.920 and yes i remember that neo was black and morpheus was white and morpheus going what if i told you

00:17:16.900 that the world you think is real is not real and neo just goes i don't understand but it is real

00:17:23.940 do you think that's do you think that's air you're breathing yes just ruining every fucking scene

00:17:35.740 just i love the idea of the matrix and neo just never understands refusing to even he doesn't

00:17:44.600 even try to grasp shit and he's just getting frustrated it's like why are you throwing all

00:17:48.440 this shit at me man no but i do i i don't understand this is real though no no but what

00:17:54.420 if it wasn't but but it is okay uh and then uh the cypher character is just the last white guy

00:18:03.780 who spent the last 15 years in a ship full of black people who just wants to eat in a quiet

00:18:09.500 restaurant really that entire part of the story is unchanged yeah yeah it's like i'll i'll take

00:18:17.560 the matrix man it's like the future like that there is a subtext here and really if you want

00:18:23.960 if you really want to do this agent smith also exists unchanged that whole fucking thing it's

00:18:30.220 like it's just you what i hate the smell this zoo

00:18:36.140 i hate this place this zoo this prison this reality whatever you want to call it i can't

00:18:53.320 stand it any longer. It's the smell. If there is such a thing, I feel saturated by it. I

00:19:06.280 can taste your stink. Every time I do, I fear that I've somehow been infected by it. It's

00:19:15.660 repulsive they don't even wash they pussy just just his dialogue is unchanged

00:19:24.700 when cypher cuts a deal with them to go back into the matrix one of the conditions is they

00:19:30.040 have to put batteries back in the fire alarms and and look i this must have been a bit someone

00:19:36.100 else did like this might be a bit that 20 other podcasts did but the idea of black neo superpower

00:19:42.260 being able to dodge bullets is just too good like that's that's all he wants to do is dodge

00:19:48.560 bullets but then him not eat not flying and not doing anything else it just stops at dodging

00:19:54.180 bullets like he did so they just arrest him he doesn't think about how he can break out of it

00:20:01.020 all right we don't have to spend too long on that you know my fear is that this has been done

00:20:07.440 like a bit that people had done for 20 years now if we have time so i'd love to hear i never got

00:20:14.340 this full story from you i got it in bits and pieces but would you be willing to go into the

00:20:20.560 judas coyote hunt okay so what happened uh we decided on we decided we were gonna go like we

00:20:27.560 haven't been camping in a while we've been living in hong kong forever right so we we got ourselves

00:20:32.040 a tent uh girls were with the in-laws for two three days and we said let's do it let's pick a

00:20:38.440 spot maybe an hour hour two hours north of us uh we take our rifles up um coyotes are open season

00:20:46.380 in canada throughout southern ontario or most of ontario actually so yeah so we got our tent we go

00:20:52.400 up we didn't check the weather which was foolish we got up to our provincial campsite and so just

00:20:56.760 to establish the plan was just to go up with some rifles and just start shooting some coyotes for

00:21:01.460 fun seeing what you could do and i think you had mentioned before that i think you shoot a coyote

00:21:06.040 you you need to keep the fur is that the rule not the meat but the fur correct there's a yeah

00:21:11.840 there's a bunch of weird rules about it so i'm fair i might get corrected on this but i'm fairly

00:21:16.740 certain that coyote because wolves are different but coyotes are like the top end of what's still

00:21:22.180 qualified as a small game animal in ontario so that means if you kill one it's actually illegal

00:21:27.940 to not skin it and take the fur and then you are supposed to like report the fur even if you use

00:21:36.960 it you're still supposed to report it to the ministry of natural resources because it's like

00:21:40.380 it's owned by the crown as a natural resource something like that i might be wrong but

00:21:44.900 um so yeah like you can shoot it once you go fucking fax the queen

00:21:48.900 yeah no literally like they have like i have um i have an account with the ministry of natural

00:21:56.600 resources and at the end of the year i'm supposed to submit numbers on what i've killed so that's

00:22:00.520 just how it works being a canadian hunter but um i don't think a lot of guys do to be honest not

00:22:05.620 with shit like gophers and you know small forbearing animals raccoons and being confronted

00:22:10.280 by a mountie he's thumbing through the papers it's like you better have all of your clothes

00:22:15.540 made of coyote if you're not covered head to don't coyote we've got a problem that's what i thought

00:22:21.840 so weird about it because it's like they don't tell you that you must sell it to them or that

00:22:25.660 you must give it to them they're just saying you must tell us what you took so it's like if i'm in

00:22:29.500 the backwoods and i shoot a raccoon and i bury it not that i'm gonna do that because it's a federal

00:22:33.760 crime technically but like how the fuck are you gonna know man it's canada like come on this is

00:22:38.260 such an unenforceable law it's just funny because canadian hunters are largely white boomers so they

00:22:44.360 actually to my knowledge do usually follow all the rules because that's the type of guys they are so

00:22:49.840 anyway no so that's that was the idea we're gonna go up we're gonna we're gonna shoot some coyotes

00:22:54.840 because i've got i've got all my licenses like i'm totally legal i got my my pal and i got my

00:22:59.660 hunting license and i got my small game license and everything so um yeah uh but the thing is is

00:23:04.980 we haven't hunted anything before actually we don't have hunters in the family and i've certainly

00:23:08.680 never hunted coyotes and it's a predator hunt which is actually one of the toughest kinds of

00:23:11.780 hunts uh we weren't prepared we didn't bring we brought bug spray but not enough um we were in a

00:23:18.500 swamp which is actually a decent place to find coyotes but we went out like 5 a.m with our guns

00:23:24.660 in our fucking blue jeans and work shirts and we went out into the swamp and we just set up a you

00:23:31.440 know position in the swamp near where we thought was a den and we put our call out and we sat there

00:23:35.900 and i got mosquito bites all over my fucking balls and i got i got uh because the thing is like and

00:23:42.260 this is a this is a word to the wise guys want to go and hunt in the swamp for any amount of time

00:23:46.080 spray that shit like everywhere like everywhere everywhere it's crazy like the tiniest little gap

00:23:51.000 like in your ass crack that you don't spray they're gonna bite you in your ass you know what

00:23:56.180 if you want to just play it safe leave your balls and ass at home leave don't bring your balls and

00:24:01.600 ass like if you're hunting coyote in the swamp do not bring don't bring your balls and ass to a

00:24:05.880 coyote fight you don't need balls to sit quietly and make mouse noises come on is that what you

00:24:11.740 have to do you have to make like mouse noises thank god i have an electronic collar i didn't

00:24:16.260 have to sit there and go oh you have to make oh eat me oh my fucking balls

00:24:29.540 damn man you'd be i'm gonna bring you on the hunt next time

00:24:34.260 Oh, I'm also destroyed.

00:24:40.440 Yeah, that's it.

00:24:41.300 And then we came back and we packed our 10 and we went home.

00:24:44.900 That was kind of the whole story is getting mosquitoes on my balls.

00:24:48.040 Okay.

00:24:48.580 Well, that's the story I was trying to get to.

00:24:50.680 Anything else was just icing on the gravy for that one.

00:24:53.780 Yes.

00:24:54.240 Perfect.

00:24:55.160 Well, I'm going to, I wanted to go up that time, but things have been, you get a baby,

00:25:00.800 you know.

00:25:01.140 You got a wee baron.

00:25:02.540 Yeah.

00:25:02.640 yeah it's hard to make a convincing case that you've got a new a fresh baby fresh out of the

00:25:09.540 hopper home it's like i'm gonna go get my balls obliterated by searching for coyotes randomly

00:25:16.040 that's what i would say to my wife i'm not very good at pitching them she sees she got like a

00:25:21.600 black belt in my bullshit so i just i tell her straight up i'm gonna do a dumb thing i'm gonna

00:25:27.380 to get in trouble and then if she sees it from that angle then we can proceed but that's it's

00:25:34.920 hard to make that case now when there's like a little little baby because he's three months old

00:25:40.400 now dime's child is over three months old um and i guess that i don't talk about him that much

00:25:47.880 um i did it like right at the beginning in like a new like there's a bit of a learning curve that

00:25:52.700 want to talk about by trying to bore people but there is a sort of a three-month plateau you get

00:25:58.920 to that i thought it might be interesting to speak of it in retrospect because we had

00:26:04.340 you know for any young fathers out there i get contacted by a few listeners who are

00:26:11.280 talking about like it's interesting how i start talking about my son being born and they got a

00:26:18.140 son on the way or they got a child on the way and it's just oh that's what a fun coincidence

00:26:21.940 and so some people are asking like what am i in for and so i there's a few things that i learned

00:26:29.260 and you have two daughters two judas children um and i think we discussed this before your

00:26:37.560 experience was a bit different because i think girls tend to be different even two of them

00:26:41.720 maybe two girls are still not as ridiculous as a single boy that's what i hear yeah yeah it is

00:26:51.180 interesting like if i could give i'm trying to think of like what advice i would give young young

00:26:56.280 men about giving a child because i all i can say is at a three month mark i'm gonna say something

00:27:04.080 that might sound bad but i mean this in the best way possible that if this were torture

00:27:13.400 this would be the part where my mind broke this would be the part where i like resign myself like

00:27:20.180 oh this is just what it is now so if i was getting nails hammered into my balls this is a very ball

00:27:25.700 torture heavy episode it's been yes if i was getting my fingernails pulled back this would

00:27:30.980 be the part where i'm like i kind of enjoy it now yeah i'm just a torture guy now that i'm not saying

00:27:36.300 this is torture but this is the moment where it just clicks we're like oh this is the new thing

00:27:41.160 now this is what it is right right you got a rhythm i know my torture's name i know he's

00:27:48.520 left-handed and we kind of we kind of laugh about that as he's like pulling my eyelids back you know

00:27:53.260 you kind of feel that way too it like your first your first time as a as a teenager in a professional

00:27:59.640 job or like the first week of high school or something like you know what i mean where it's

00:28:03.520 like this is not what i expected it sucks and i hate it and there is absolutely no way out and

00:28:09.020 it's not going to be over for many many years and like you just have to submit and readjust all of

00:28:15.420 your expectations going forward let me just say it is this is why our dynamic works so well you've

00:28:21.140 had the example of a high school job i had chinese water torture and we were hitting both

00:28:28.780 both sides of the street of our listenership out here to understand what it is i'm talking about

00:28:33.620 if you want to dodge both of us you're going to be standing in traffic so you got to just pick a

00:28:36.840 side all right but yeah like there is there's a franticness i think my wife had she made a point

00:28:44.160 that summarizes it very well she's like it always feels like i'm rushing and i'm late for a plane

00:28:49.540 just at all all times yeah and you just get used to and this is what people who fly a lot probably

00:28:56.160 feel like people that does go away but it does go away okay what do you say to that that okay so

00:29:03.740 that specific type of stress that's like the constant harrowing rush where you can't even

00:29:09.480 you can't even literally sit down that goes away in a sense in that the urgency of it goes away

00:29:15.820 but the amount of work actually kind of increases so it's like there's new there's new levels of

00:29:21.540 bullshit like at one year two year three year that you're gonna hit but well i guess that's

00:29:25.780 the thing it's a unique type of bullshit in the first six months by month three you've get gone

00:29:31.560 to the rhythm of every time you there's a learning curve every couple weeks and then the moment you

00:29:37.500 settle there's some new bullshit so you've actually settled within to the rhythm within the

00:29:41.840 rhythm the rhythm of i'm comfortable i know i am now comfortable with the changeover from being

00:29:47.540 comfortable to having to learn a new thing and dealing with like oh here's three days where he's

00:29:52.260 like he like for example like with with dimes child you know kids are developing you know they

00:29:57.880 never stop developing no one's upset what the fuck am i saying but especially during the first year

00:30:02.420 they start off very very simple

00:30:05.360 and you're kind of panicked and then you get

00:30:07.240 comfortable learning that you know you start

00:30:09.200 treating them like they're a Fabergé egg

00:30:11.040 first of all you're afraid you're going to break them

00:30:13.180 then you start feeling like oh they're just

00:30:15.180 I can hurl this motherfucker across

00:30:17.040 and everybody's going to bounce right back

00:30:18.400 I could throw this kid like a

00:30:21.020 fucking frisbee he's going to

00:30:23.000 love it that's sort of dad logic

00:30:25.120 they're kind of indestructible

00:30:26.640 you know they don't even have knees I didn't know that

00:30:29.180 for the guys who don't know this like babies don't

00:30:31.100 even have kneecaps and my wife gets pissed off because it keeps saying his legs are like cheese

00:30:35.980 strings and it's once your lap everyone's thinking what the fuck he's off his rocker but once you go

00:30:44.600 through you're gonna see it and then you can't unsee it you're gonna be poking these fucking

00:30:48.680 kids knees every day like me um but you know the idea is like you start then he learns a new type

00:30:56.460 of cry you know what i mean like he started he's like crying you understand their cry you know what

00:31:00.840 the damnedest thing was this this will sound fucking crazy so like we're downtown we're

00:31:06.200 shopping around i'm in a used bookstore because that's like the only type of bookstore a spurg

00:31:10.820 like me goes to and you know dime's wife got the baby stroller go and do some other stuff because

00:31:17.840 you can't bring a stroller into a used bookstore it's it's a used bookstore is hostile towards

00:31:23.460 people in every conceivable measure yeah so and as i'm there i'm about to leave and you know you're

00:31:29.720 on the you're up the street there's babies crying there's kids laughing and screaming there's all

00:31:34.280 ages it's a cacophony out there and i hear a baby crying outside i'm like damn that sounds like

00:31:40.820 dimeschild it can't be and long story short i go outside and it literally was him and he she had

00:31:47.160 just brought him around the corner because he was crying i'm like i could pick out his distinct

00:31:52.820 baby sounds from just the chaos of the street where every baby's out there right now now that's

00:32:00.200 crazy that's something that i think parents get it's hard to describe what that's like but i'm

00:32:04.440 like it's a special skill but it it is apparent but then you start they start learning new types

00:32:08.940 of cries you get this strange language and just watching that happen and feeling that happen is

00:32:15.000 really crazy just from a even a stark scientific point of view i'm like i shouldn't be able to do

00:32:20.560 that i'm my head's in the clouds all the fucking time but you kind of get this like second voice

00:32:26.560 inside your head and then like for he's done doing this thing where he likes screaming now

00:32:30.640 but like a delighted scream with like he'll just have a blank face to go ah like in your face

00:32:35.800 because he's having fun i'm like that's hilarious but stop and he won't stop because he gets a

00:32:41.440 reaction out of me yeah yeah exactly but like every second week it's a new thing every so the

00:32:45.900 problem was like we were living in a very difficult place because he wouldn't sleep

00:32:51.340 they tell you that babies are supposed to sleep like 15 hours a day and that that's the easy part

00:32:58.540 he wouldn't sleep just would not sleep he'd go down if he fell asleep it's like a 10 minute nap

00:33:04.040 and so our lives for like three months no joke we're like trying to develop very acute strategies

00:33:12.460 to get this kid to sleep because then some and what my frustration i really don't want to go too

00:33:18.520 much into this because i'm really going to just start setting laser sights on my entire family

00:33:24.340 but it's like every i when you at we talk to boomers about this when you talk to a lot of

00:33:31.200 other people who've had kids people of older generations who've had kids act like they're

00:33:36.100 full of wisdom i have found that they have no wisdom the older you get like they keep talking

00:33:42.200 like you could ask me for anything ask them a question they don't fucking know

00:33:44.880 okay this baby here's the problem the baby doesn't sleep if the baby doesn't sleep a lot the baby is

00:33:52.100 upset that means the baby doesn't feed well that means the baby doesn't sleep all night that means

00:33:57.100 he's not developing he's not building his fucking mind properly i'm like this is actually a problem

00:34:01.620 so what do you do to solve the problem like oh he'll just figure it out i'm like that's stupid

00:34:06.880 that's not advice and i'm noticing that for most parents their advice is just lock it in a fucking

00:34:13.980 room and ignore it and maybe it's a generational thing maybe it's just my family thing maybe it's

00:34:20.180 just a cultural thing maybe it's just you know localized to my experience but i think a lot of

00:34:25.960 people have this problem where a lot of fucking boomer and even gen x wisdom is just fucking

00:34:30.900 ignore it or offload it to the state or just you know or don't talk and pretend it's not happening

00:34:36.160 yeah i noticed that a lot of people don't have any advice for a child before six months like they

00:34:42.640 wiped their minds of that entire period that's interesting i got i got one for you so it's like

00:34:48.840 um one thing that dimes child had was eczema eczema a lot of babies get eczema it goes a lot

00:34:55.600 of stuff goes away after a year but baby skin is very very sensitive so guys who are having a child

00:35:02.200 or girls having a child keep an eye out for that you're a baby you're used to a baby having rosy

00:35:06.500 cheeks sure but those rosy cheeks can turn into like dry skin it's itchy it's uncomfortable and

00:35:13.300 maybe that bothers the kid maybe that causes it to cry and our youngest had that for like six months

00:35:17.720 like and it was bad we had special creams and all kinds exactly so you got special creams and a lot

00:35:23.620 of the older generations i was talking to they had these creams back then these aren't new creams

00:35:27.980 there are no new creams the only new creams they have now are like old creams with diamonds in

00:35:32.920 them yeah the old creams like oh you just you grew out of it so that just means for like six

00:35:38.260 to nine months you had like like kids in agony because it never fucking occurred to you to look

00:35:45.120 it up you could have gone to a library could have gone to a fucking doctor i know doctors used to

00:35:49.500 smoke cigarettes but they knew what the fucking creams were you just didn't fucking care and now

00:35:54.200 they're looking at me and my wife like we're crazy so get used to that young guys young girls

00:35:59.120 get used to older demographics generations talking to you like you're crazy for giving a shit about

00:36:05.720 this because we are very information driven few generations i'm talking millennials i'm talking

00:36:11.000 zoomers gen alpha whatever we're calling them usually it's like there's a problem let's research

00:36:16.560 it the problem is that there's so much research out there there's so much data it's hard to parse

00:36:20.980 through the data okay yeah i get that but it's the effort of trying to find a solution is admirable

00:36:26.880 and don't lose that and don't let these motherfuckers talk to you like you're crazy

00:36:30.900 like for example my my grandmother her specialty she was a nurse her specialty was in babies and i

00:36:38.780 made a comment one time like you know he's not sleeping so we actually talked to a sleep consultant

00:36:43.380 um you know it sounds kind of crazy maybe even some people that's like you know we're trying

00:36:47.780 to find some strategies because the stuff we're hearing from like professionals is like oh just

00:36:53.740 like just like put him down put him down like keep him awake but put him down like but he's

00:36:58.840 not sleeping what do we do so the sleep consultants actually gave us to like you actually keep him up

00:37:03.140 longer and keep him up in these chunks and it worked long story short but my grandmother this

00:37:08.520 expert the one who raised all these kids is like oh you know people have been doing this for

00:37:14.020 thousands of years don't worry about like stop saying don't worry about it because his mind's

00:37:19.040 getting fucked he's building his fucking mind if he's not sleeping it means he's not eating right

00:37:23.860 guess what he's he's smashed through all of his development goals guess what spoiler alert he's a

00:37:32.080 fucking genius now spoiler alert he smashed every fucking growth goal because of this

00:37:38.340 because we put it under the microscope he's he's doing four month stuff at three months

00:37:45.040 because of us yeah he's grabbing it like this will sound stupid for people don't have kids like

00:37:50.220 you know these little things like oh he's grabbing he's putting things in his mouth

00:37:53.740 when you have a kid the transition to putting things in their mouths is a big fucking deal

00:37:59.260 and i know parents even young parents like these shit parents who are like oh i just let them

00:38:06.480 figure it out oh yeah they're the kids who like don't say a word at a year and a half they're the

00:38:12.060 kids who can't walk right they're not crawling right like be autistic be weird look it up and

00:38:18.760 don't listen to these motherfuckers who are going to look at you like you're oh you're just

00:38:23.740 overreacting your generation i'm like you know you people fucked me up that's the other thing

00:38:29.800 like boomers have this thing where they don't see you as them that's it's a weird i was thinking

00:38:36.280 about this today they're the only generation who talk about quote unquote kids these days

00:38:41.500 these kids i think i don't have the data in front of me but it seems to me that the boomers the

00:38:48.220 first generation who saw their children as like not them not as clones of them which is what they

00:38:54.660 are or their responsibility sorry i cut you off there no i was just gonna say i i never had the

00:39:00.880 balls to to do it but it with my in-laws and with my own parents you hear this advice from them and

00:39:06.360 I always kind of wanted to ask like like you said they're they're saying oh well you know you don't

00:39:10.840 have to worry about it it's been done like this for forever for age immemorial thousands of years

00:39:14.700 but it's like the real question is okay but did what did you do with me and and what did your

00:39:20.220 parents do with you and what did your parents tell you when you asked them about what to do with me

00:39:26.300 right like you're just telling me you're because it's like you're not even giving me a real answer

00:39:31.040 most of the time it's like a hand wave and the one example i wanted to give is i know i talked

00:39:35.560 to you guys about gripe water that gripe water doesn't work for anybody it did work for our

00:39:39.780 first kid and it didn't work for you guys it worked kind of okay with our second it worked

00:39:43.620 okay for uh it actually did work sometimes yeah the point is is it's got sometimes it works and

00:39:48.900 sometimes it doesn't but the point is sometimes it works and when we talk to my in-laws about

00:39:53.440 gripe water they'd never fucking heard of it for people who aren't parents gripe water has been

00:39:57.480 around for 200 years it's literally sold in these little glass bottles it's like a couple of herbs

00:40:02.460 and a bit of like ethanol it's it's like a mage's elixir yeah it's just literally herbs and ethanol

00:40:08.720 like it's been around forever right so to be dismissive of gripe water is weird to me right

00:40:15.000 especially for modern people for people who don't have gripe water is something you it's a fluid

00:40:19.800 you give to a baby if it's got an upset stomach because a baby and this will sound obvious to

00:40:24.420 parents but to a lot of younger people it's not obvious that their digestive system isn't formed

00:40:30.740 yet so when you have a baby it'll spit up a lot and you'll get freaked out like why the fuck is

00:40:35.680 it vomiting well sometimes like the same reason gets hiccups a lot for the same reason it gets

00:40:39.980 gas a lot it doesn't know how to process gas yeah you need to help it along and so sometimes this

00:40:45.680 thing called grape water which is a mix of like fennel and just a bunch of like herbs you could

00:40:50.640 probably make it at home if you wanted to oh you could you could definitely make it at home and you

00:40:54.280 give it to them and it just it kind of settles their summit to the point where i was asking my

00:40:57.920 wife like can we just use this like if i'm okay it's how it tastes and smells like black licorice

00:41:04.440 like it doesn't taste or smell offensive so i'm looking i'm like could we just fucking use this

00:41:09.780 it's an herbal tincture yeah it's just like old school medicine but my point is like my my in-laws

00:41:15.340 had not heard of it like we had to explain to them what it was which was shocking and then when i told

00:41:19.760 my mom about it like did you use this on us she's like i can't remember i don't think we tried that

00:41:24.940 i don't know whether that would work i'm like are you seriously being dismissive of this like

00:41:29.580 this isn't some weird new age shit like this is this is literally what has been used by parents

00:41:35.640 for like you're telling me oh don't worry about it it's been done for a hundred years this has

00:41:39.940 been done for hundreds of years so you haven't heard of it or you don't have an opinion on it

00:41:44.740 like come on and also like to me if some people hear this and think oh he's being a theory cell

00:41:50.280 about he's trying to come up with some big ideas i'm like no it actually is very very simple the

00:41:55.580 and i told my wife this like my because it's easy to get lost in the weeds on different strategies

00:42:00.560 and stuff and that whether to ignore certain things my thing is like if a baby is crying and

00:42:06.620 by baby i mean newborn and infant because once a baby gets older they can do these things they

00:42:10.920 start to trick you once babies start to figure they build their psychology they could actually

00:42:16.680 like test you and they realize oh if i cry i get something but once they're young enough they don't

00:42:22.040 know that they don't know how to build those sorts of relations yet so for like the first six months

00:42:27.080 to a year maybe like it's like if a baby is crying figure out what to do to make the baby stop crying

00:42:33.320 that sounds fucking simple to me and so i'll have you know sometimes my wife or i would if you're

00:42:39.000 tired and everything you're like oh what do i do what do i do i've been up every couple hours

00:42:43.300 or whatever i'm like you have a list you have a list of things to do okay bounce him up and down

00:42:48.320 rock him that doesn't work look at his diaper did he shit or piss himself probably he's just

00:42:53.820 shitting and pissing himself all the time is it not that is he hungry if not feed him is he still

00:42:58.220 going like go through the fucking list the whole point is that if a baby's crying figure out why

00:43:04.540 so to me that it's that timeless simplicity seems to have been lost on a surprising

00:43:12.220 number of people of these generations where it's like a baby's crying it just never occurred to

00:43:18.980 you that you should try and make it stop you just like well that's what they do i'm like why why is

00:43:23.740 that what they do that's not like we're not geniuses over here it just seems like a biological

00:43:29.780 thing where it's like well i better figure it out let me ask around you you motherfuckers just

00:43:34.980 never asked around i do recall reading in the fourth turning which was written i think in the

00:43:40.180 early 90s so that this would be around when you know we were young kids and they were talking

00:43:46.560 about the boomers and the way that the boomers were raised by what was it the lost generation

00:43:51.680 and then the i thought i'm gonna say velociraptors velociraptors maybe they were i don't know and

00:43:57.620 then the way that boomers were raising the kids and then the big the big split was they were raised

00:44:02.060 with they were given everything and they were looked after very carefully and there was all

00:44:06.300 this folk wisdom and they were like almost helicoptered and then the way that the boomers

00:44:10.500 raised their kids was like pets like you give them the food that you think they'll like and you leave

00:44:16.400 them alone and go back to doing whatever you think is fun is the way that boomers raised their

00:44:20.320 essentially our parents raised us and like we look back and it's like yeah my parents were i love my

00:44:25.840 parents my parents gave me all kinds of fun stuff that i liked as a kid and then as an adult and

00:44:31.540 you're going and asking them like hey so like did you use this and this on me when i was a baby to

00:44:35.400 help me like you're and it's like oh no i never even thought of that it's like what hold on a

00:44:39.500 second what i realized that like as i was asking around i realized that no one has any information

00:44:47.760 not even stories about the first six months of most people's lives what they'll say is that

00:44:53.460 oh here's here's the damnedest thing i noticed that my um my aunt said this to me because she

00:44:59.940 said that she cried a lot as a baby and and they they told her that later in life and this is kind

00:45:05.960 of fucked up if you think about it like as an adult they say how was that as a baby they'll say

00:45:09.980 yeah you cried a lot almost with with a bit of venom with a little drop of poison as if they

00:45:15.700 still hold it against her and so consider that these generations will not only treat you like

00:45:23.800 a piece of shit as a baby they'll still like you realize you were a piece of shit as a baby right

00:45:28.680 as if that was a thing they consciously did like it's their fucking fault there's people that will

00:45:35.120 still do that and and that and that sort of grudge will guide how they treat that person their entire

00:45:42.200 life it's a really fucked up way of looking at it because to me again it's not because i read a

00:45:46.040 bunch of books about it it just follows logically like i look at a baby i'm like okay they're

00:45:51.860 learning all the time that makes sense right and but i talked to like boomers and some of these

00:45:55.940 other people like oh yeah for the first six months they don't know anything they're not recording

00:45:59.460 anything i'm like that doesn't make sense it actually doesn't make sense that they're not

00:46:04.000 quote-unquote recording they're actually recording everything they're building we talked about this

00:46:08.680 well it's marvin minsky society of the mind like they might not be able to understand your language

00:46:12.600 but they can tell when you're talking to them they can tell when you're ignoring them and they're

00:46:18.640 like it's all it matters more there than any other you've also brought this up repeatedly now but

00:46:24.360 it's the fourth trimester like it's almost it's it's yeah they might not know exactly what you're

00:46:30.520 saying because they don't know the language yet but their brain and their body like you said they

00:46:34.020 don't have kneecaps their their stomach acid isn't there they don't have gut flora like a lot of

00:46:38.220 things about their physiological development it they're not it's not complete right so you can't

00:46:43.140 just be feeding them junk food and keeping them up all night and ignoring them when they're crying

00:46:46.880 like they are still growing in the same way that women shouldn't drink when they're pregnant

00:46:51.880 like three month old babies you do need to be pretty specific about what you feed them and when

00:46:57.380 and how you take care of them yeah and i've known women like one of my one of the women my wife

00:47:04.380 knows they would say like oh they just tell you you're not supposed to drink they the quote was

00:47:08.740 that by oh by like the six months they're done cooking i'm like that doesn't sound right i don't

00:47:14.920 think they're cooking even after they're born they're just they're still yeah they're still

00:47:19.380 cooking after they're born yeah guess whose kid was born with fucked up eyes guess whose kid was

00:47:26.040 born it's not talking right and had to go to a specialist to learn how to fucking swallow

00:47:31.600 oh god and then it never occurs to this fucking bitch like that maybe it's because mama needed

00:47:37.800 her red wine and you know just to let you know it's not just restricted to boomers anyway some

00:47:42.960 people are probably annoyed by this but like this has been my life i didn't bring up it for a long

00:47:48.040 time it was really really sleepless nights and figuring out how to still to this day like we got

00:47:55.280 a system to get him down for naps and he's at an age where he's not supposed to be sleeping all the

00:47:59.440 time he can sleep like five hours during the day and he does sleep well during the night he's

00:48:03.400 sleeping right now like we accomplished it and i i told my wife i'm like if we we the thing is

00:48:09.100 if we wanted to this would have all resolved itself by the end of the year at the end of the

00:48:14.260 year a lot of this little stuff just goes away we could have just let him have eczema we could

00:48:19.820 have just let him scream himself to sleep which is what they say to do let him cry himself out

00:48:24.520 we could have just had an itchy miserable screaming baby like a lot of them but i'm like

00:48:29.380 i decided to say you know what and my wife you know more than me like i will say like she's

00:48:35.100 she's mother of the year mother of the century number world's number one mom that's why i don't

00:48:41.160 have a number one dad mug yet i haven't earned it but she's got enough mugs she's got much for

00:48:48.160 days because she's actually coming up with the plan yeah there's still times like as a dad where

00:48:53.900 I'm like, just let them fucking cry themselves out.

00:48:55.340 Put them in the car.

00:48:56.600 And there is a point you'll get to pretty soon

00:48:59.320 where the crying themselves to sleep thing is legit.

00:49:01.720 You do actually need to let them cry themselves to sleep,

00:49:03.660 but not at two months, right?

00:49:05.420 Like at two months, they're essentially mechanical.

00:49:07.100 They're crying because there's literally a thing wrong

00:49:09.200 and you can press a button and they will stop.

00:49:11.220 You need to find the button.

00:49:12.160 By six or eight months or definitely by a year,

00:49:15.040 they're fucking with you.

00:49:16.280 And then, yes, you need to fuck with them.

00:49:19.060 Now you're in a war.

00:49:20.840 You're a war of wits.

00:49:22.100 And guess what?

00:49:22.600 sometimes the kid is going to win that war of wits because i told him i'm like you better he's he's

00:49:28.760 going to be too smart soon enough and you had made a good point that i think i knew going in

00:49:35.060 but i never truly internalized it which is that you know the life you had before is gone

00:49:42.060 now you can reclaim lots of it like for example a lot we work very very hard to maintain a standard

00:49:49.940 of living that we had before dimes child came along for example we clean the house pretty

00:49:54.820 regularly like once a week big clean the house it's harder to do now but we do it we do a lot

00:49:59.800 of food prep huge amounts of food prep that's really hard to do it's hard to squeeze that in

00:50:04.820 but we still do it and we still make good food because we're like we need to at least have that

00:50:09.160 we don't smoke we don't drink we don't do a lot of other stuff you know we got this at least let's

00:50:14.180 try and make some interesting creative food so we we can still maintain that but it's a lot of

00:50:20.580 fucking work it's a lot of planning and the idea that you know you know sometimes even you don't

00:50:27.600 feel bad if you or your wife say like man i miss just fucking around but you can still have

00:50:34.920 fucking around just not in the same way not fucking around whenever you want like i used to

00:50:39.980 just like dinker i haven't had dinking around time forever you know what i mean like just hanging

00:50:45.660 out on a couch like what do i want to do i actually know exactly what i'm going to do

00:50:48.420 this this dinking around time is very strictly bookended now so you know where i'm at the thing

00:50:55.540 is you enjoy it more yeah well you know where i'm at i'm posted dinking around i'm to a point where

00:51:02.240 i will dink around sometimes for two or three hours at a stretch now that my kids are old enough

00:51:07.800 i can actually leave them alone and i feel guilty and then i have like moments of like flashbacks

00:51:13.960 of being 24 and do it and like you know playing video games for a whole day on a saturday

00:51:19.780 and being like what the fuck was i doing with my life like if i play a game now i do feel like what

00:51:27.080 what am i doing this is i know i shouldn't be doing this i have other things to do you know

00:51:30.700 more than i did before because you know you do get to that point if you're old enough but

00:51:34.840 yeah now there's a bit more of an urgency but i find i like it more and some people won't

00:51:43.080 agree with me some people won't even believe that that well and that's the life of what's gone like

00:51:47.460 i miss like what i found the people who say they missed their previous life what they missed was

00:51:52.580 the hedonism and i did not have that hedonism in my life by the time my child came along so i wasn't

00:51:59.540 going to clubs another part of it is those people haven't adapted like back to what you said right

00:52:04.460 at the beginning that it's like chinese water torture and there's a point where your mind just

00:52:08.400 breaks and you think that the torture is actually your friend right that's you giving in and like

00:52:14.180 adapting and becoming a new person is part of the process and when once you do that you will look

00:52:19.640 back at your old self and be like i can't even believe that guy i'm embarrassed by that guy

00:52:23.260 right but these people haven't gone to that point either because they're too flippant or they just

00:52:28.600 haven't accepted it or who knows why but they never get to the point where they can say you

00:52:33.980 know i i've accepted this in fact i like this this is i wouldn't trade this i i hate the old

00:52:40.840 thing actually right um and then they're like yeah you know what i do want to go on a four-day

00:52:46.340 bender like i don't i actually and i've said this before like i used to do a lot of drugs when i was

00:52:50.180 a teenager i don't want to do drugs at all somebody and it's not even like a moral thing

00:52:54.120 it's like i just don't like the idea of being unproductive you also would need to think of it

00:52:58.760 practically it's like okay i like i need a hotel room now like i just do it at home right yeah

00:53:04.640 like it's not a nice thought like i just like that doesn't sound fun man it's not a like it

00:53:09.160 just doesn't sound like fun like it's what i want to go i want to go camping that sounds fun to me

00:53:15.080 right now so i'm going to say something that might cause some controversy

00:53:20.900 i think one of the things that helped me with dime's child is that i you know my wife is younger

00:53:29.480 than me she had the our first child at a good age i think the time we did it is good for me

00:53:41.700 i think it's probably the best time to do it however it's very difficult to do like if i had

00:53:48.280 to say like the best time to have you know if you want to have eight kids you kind of got to

00:53:53.840 start early i get that but if you want two or three if you have the ability to do it right

00:54:00.200 around like 28 and 29 and kind of do it in quick succession to me that's kind of the best way to do

00:54:07.660 it it's very difficult to do so if someone asks when should i have kids i would say have them when

00:54:12.300 you're young have them in your mid-20s early 20s you know some people like oh you should have them

00:54:18.460 when you're like 16 like look let's not be retarded here okay let's let's live in the real world you

00:54:25.440 know mid-20s is good but to me you know for men and women biologically if you can get it right in

00:54:34.540 that pocket it's good because i find with people if i had kids when i was very very young i might

00:54:41.660 be stuck in the grass is greener sort of mentality i might be like look at everything i gave up on

00:54:48.040 life the way i did it was i lived my entire 20s doing doing the career thing building my career

00:54:55.260 going on the adventures doing all the fun stuff and i got to the point where that was getting

00:54:59.980 boring there is no grass is greener like the idea of like me and my wife before we had dimes child

00:55:07.160 it's like we were going around just as a couple to places and there was like young families around

00:55:12.420 it just felt weird it just felt it we're getting to the point where we were running out of stuff

00:55:18.040 to do just as two adults like all the activity all the all the party whatever it might be but

00:55:24.820 it's like at a certain point it's like there is no grassroot i've seen everything society has to

00:55:30.000 offer and it gets kind of boring there's actually not a lot there unless you're doing it with a kid

00:55:34.660 unless you're what am i going to like oh i'm going to go to the beach just as a guy that's

00:55:39.140 fucking gay like i'm you know what i mean like at that age like when you're 21 sure if you're

00:55:43.920 like a 30 year old guy like i'm gonna go to a club fuck you like i'm gonna go to a show just

00:55:49.860 by myself in clothes that are too young you know what i mean like the idea is like at a certain

00:55:54.020 point society and life makes so much more sense if you're doing it with a kid and it seems hollow

00:56:01.080 without it and if you can get to the point where you're actually experiencing that you won't

00:56:04.820 miss it sorry continue there is an element of living vicariously through your kids and you're

00:56:09.400 doing things that you you the last time you did them you were a kid and your memories of those

00:56:15.640 things are fond and you kind of wish that you could do them again but you like you said you

00:56:20.340 don't want to be the grown fucking man on the roller coaster but you got kids now you kind of

00:56:25.560 have an excuse like like i said like i hadn't i haven't been camping the last time i was camping

00:56:30.400 before this past weekend was 10 years ago and it was with my uh my sister-in-law and her dumbass

00:56:36.980 husband and it was the worst thing in the world and prior to that was maybe five years earlier

00:56:41.240 yeah he's a fucking dick anyway but they uh the point is it's like that i mean and the point is

00:56:50.860 we did that and it's like damn camping as two couples was the least fun camping trip i've ever

00:56:56.820 had and the previous time that i did it that i had fun i was like 17 and it was with my family

00:57:01.860 with my cousins and then now doing it again doing it with my wife was actually quite fun but we're

00:57:07.120 we're out there in the tent and it's like this is going to be so great the end of the summer when we

00:57:11.420 bring the girls with us because it's like we can just eat shitty chicken franks and like a goof

00:57:16.900 around and spray water guns and like it's great man it's great you can do you can't do that alone

00:57:21.860 yeah and that's why i say like if you have the ability to like actually you're not giving up

00:57:27.940 your 20s you see what it's like to live through your 20s and this is and and get out right before

00:57:32.380 it gets too weird that's kind of the best psychologically however yeah if if people ask

00:57:38.220 me when should i have kids i'm like you know the air on the side of caution to have them young

00:57:42.000 because also being like a dad at 35 like i am kind of getting i'm getting up there i'm too i'm a

00:57:47.980 little too cranky i'm a little too you get any especially white guys as you get older you

00:57:54.620 automatically become paranoid you automatically become a guy who starts having a bunker fantasy

00:58:00.440 you know you start thinking even if you're a lib you start thinking about like i could better get

00:58:05.660 some more cans i better get a big chest freezer just to get easier again like that you know

00:58:12.080 you should by the way you should i got one it's the best thing i got i got so many cans i'm worried

00:58:17.640 about the structural integrity of the shelves i should have got better shelves anyway don't

00:58:24.560 before you get in that exponentially deteriorating can phase of your life trying to have kids before

00:58:31.680 that yeah have kids i'm having mac and cheese now like we gotta we gotta run drills um yeah so

00:58:38.560 anyway this was probably too long of a talk that people wanted to hear but that is yeah i'm very

00:58:45.400 this is to say that i'm just i'm happy where i'm at and if you had told me this beforehand i might

00:58:52.840 not have believed it because i feel like sometimes parents when they say like oh your life is so much

00:58:57.620 richer they say it in a hallmarky way they say it in a way that wouldn't resonate with someone

00:59:02.840 of my peculiar mind so i think there are listeners of the show who might be at least

00:59:09.900 in some rail running along my peculiar mind so you could hearing it broken down practically

00:59:17.200 like that i think it might help them to not be so scared which is that you're not really giving

00:59:23.200 up on anything society fucking sucks it is just fucking distractions everything's just singapore

00:59:29.560 everything is just flashing lights and then if you have a kid or a family of some kind like now

00:59:34.840 it kind of starts to make sense otherwise you're just a fag at the beach otherwise you're just a

00:59:40.460 guy in miami yeah yeah otherwise you're just like a black guy that's what's honestly like

00:59:50.260 once you have kids you're like there's fucking black guys who just like walk away from this

00:59:54.820 like that's insane to me yeah it is like i understand like hating the bitch like i understand

01:00:00.000 like don't get me wrong there's all kinds of guys who have who hate the mother or they got saddled

01:00:05.600 with some kind of problem you know but it's also like to just like not even give a shit about the

01:00:12.300 not even miss the kid i'm like that's that's like an alien thing to me but that's what i'm saying

01:00:17.120 earlier right like these are the guys who are like 35 40 and they haven't gone through that gauntlet

01:00:22.760 like to them the best thing in the world is like backwards baseball cap and hanging out at the swap

01:00:28.240 meat and and pissing on the sidewalk like that's fun who's this guy and it's like no i thought that

01:00:34.160 was fun when i was 19 i thought that i was the coolest fucking guy that i'm gonna piss on the

01:00:39.140 sidewalk and i'm gonna hang out in the mall parking lot and you know there's dudes in their

01:00:44.260 40s who still think that because they haven't gone through the gauntlet you know they haven't

01:00:47.840 had their mind broken by chinese water torture yet we're not doing the best uh job of explaining

01:00:53.380 teenage no you should do it judas i never did that by the way i was there we both did it okay

01:01:01.740 we both did that yeah baseball cap backwards i think what hat phase of that was mine i went

01:01:08.580 through a hat phrase i went through a phase where i was wearing like hip-hop hats yeah like a fitted

01:01:13.000 cap then the guy who yeah so then there's like a newsboy cap period i had a hawaiian shirt period

01:01:21.840 what about the getting the trays out of the cafeteria and then like taping them to the

01:01:27.280 bottom of your tires and trying to burn out in the parking lot and like spray like hot wet plastic

01:01:33.200 all over the people other people's cars and yeah that's a good one i wonder if you're 19 do people

01:01:38.700 still like i have this image of younger generations that they don't just they don't do stuff like that

01:01:43.680 i don't know if that's accurate or not but that's just the sense i get because to me if i hear

01:01:49.040 story is that oh no one's having sex anymore because that's what you hear you're younger

01:01:52.800 generations no one's having sex no one's got a girlfriend i'm like

01:01:57.440 recent studies show that young people today are having less sex than our parents when they

01:02:01.200 were our age that's gross and confusing so why is it that young people aren't getting down

01:02:06.320 i'm here in downtown manhattan and i'm gonna ask people yo why you ain't boning i'm not very good

01:02:11.120 at relationships so yeah my sexual life is generally hookups how often are you boning

01:02:16.960 Oh, I don't know. Not too often, but all right.

01:02:20.360 Just like a good amount.

01:02:21.560 Okay.

01:02:22.060 All right, good, good, good.

01:02:23.060 Now that I'm in college and I'm working all the time,

01:02:25.760 I'm constantly busy, I don't make the time for relationships.

01:02:29.360 I'm very career-oriented right now.

01:02:31.260 So, yeah, it's definitely some time.

01:02:32.760 Because we have less money, that's why.

01:02:34.760 Yep, we're broke, right?

01:02:36.160 Nobody wants to, like, fuck a broke dude, right?

01:02:38.160 No.

01:02:38.860 I got you. I get it.

01:02:40.360 I know. Don't remind me.

01:02:42.360 When you talk to someone primarily on text,

01:02:44.260 You lose the ability to talk to someone in the moment and you lose the ability to connect with them physically as well.

01:02:49.620 I think we're connecting right now.

01:02:50.940 I think we're connecting right now.

01:02:52.920 No bike riding, no skateboarding, and apparently no dick riding either.

01:02:57.240 Well, if you're not having sex, you're probably not doing any of this stuff either, right?

01:03:01.340 Yeah, I kind of suspect it doesn't happen as much, but there's got to be some rocking dudes out there still.

01:03:06.900 Or maybe no one's having sex because they're doing stuff like this.

01:03:10.340 Maybe they're just rocking so hard.

01:03:14.260 too busy pissing yeah there's a little too much of guys being dudes

01:03:25.080 all right we had actual stuff to talk about okay so before we get to like our main thing

01:03:31.720 we're gonna spit we're gonna slosh around a bit in the bullshit here but i really want to revisit

01:03:38.960 this because this might be one of those great divisive segments because it proved to be very

01:03:44.920 divisive in the chat when we brought this up it's been divisive ever since i've seen it brought up

01:03:49.340 but it was a series of tweets and before we get into these tweets and our reactions let me just

01:03:56.500 say that during the discussions of these tweets i might have changed my position three or four times

01:04:01.560 and i might have given other people the wrong idea what my position is so i want to see if i

01:04:06.920 let's go through that path right now sure so this is a tweet made by someone i know someone i'm

01:04:14.080 friendly with and it starts off let me just say before i get started it's a sensible enough

01:04:20.940 take so it was fellas i'm begging you put a little effort into your wardrobe the era of

01:04:28.500 dressing below your status of peasant larping is over look nice right-wing gatherings must be

01:04:35.820 occasions of immaculate taste that's the first tweet second tweet is the next step after memeing

01:04:42.460 our guys into lifting and good health is memeing our guys into dressing nice a basic blazer good

01:04:49.340 shoes etc you must be handsome maxing and the third tweet is the one and actually you know those

01:04:58.600 two are okay okay there's maybe a couple things i might disagree with but the third tweet is the

01:05:03.360 one that i just it's dressing really well will get you more chicks than lifting i regret to inform

01:05:09.880 you all the former is actually harder and obviously vastly more expensive than the latter

01:05:15.860 now there's a lot to unpack there yeah but let's okay you know what let's start with that first of

01:05:23.180 all it's not more expensive to get in shape and lift than it is to buy expensive clothes

01:05:28.680 what the fuck does that sentence even mean it's free it's literally free you can go out you do

01:05:35.220 push-ups go for a jog lift yourself you can actually lift yourself up by the fucking boot

01:05:42.100 straps and get shredded that's what a lot of people go find a lot on those maybe we got it

01:05:46.100 backwards what was his comment it's more expensive to lift or it's more expensive to buy the shirt

01:05:49.800 hold on gotta figure out which side we're gonna put the spear in on this guy maybe i read this

01:05:56.000 he's like dressing really well will get you more chicks than lifting the former which would mean

01:06:00.920 dressing really well is actually harder and obviously vastly more expensive than the other

01:06:06.820 than the latter so he is saying that dressing well is harder and more expensive okay true

01:06:14.180 right i think it's more expensive it's not harder it's not harder and that's actually one of the

01:06:21.680 reasons that i he's still wrong okay that i'm frustrated with it and it's kind of a priorities

01:06:26.560 thing which relates to the previous tweet but like it's harder like again lifting is free right so

01:06:33.120 why why don't people do it because it's actually about self-discipline and and control and and all

01:06:40.740 of these sorry self-control and discipline so if it's actually about self-control and discipline

01:06:44.800 well now you've actually identified the real reason that you should be lifting it isn't actually

01:06:49.880 because you should look like a greek sculpture it's to build self-control and discipline right

01:06:54.520 am i crazy or is that you know and health health is another thing so like it's much more valuable

01:06:59.940 way more valuable than just fucking looking nice is having discipline and self-control and your

01:07:06.260 health and it's free but more guys don't don't do it and the reason more guys don't do it

01:07:11.480 there's probably more guys out there who spend a lot of money on their wardrobe thinking it would

01:07:17.140 help than there are guys that actually take care of their health and lift i actually think there's

01:07:21.600 more guys in the clothing category in the blazer category here and that's because it's actually

01:07:27.740 harder to take control of your of your of your health yeah and also let me just say

01:07:33.320 he's not a fat guy he's not an ugly guy but metaphysically fat fingers typed that comment

01:07:43.160 yeah he's not he doesn't have fat fingers but psychologically his hands are obese because yeah

01:07:50.980 that is what a fat guy would say and we're doing it the image i get is of like a fat guy in a

01:07:57.160 three-piece suit we're doing an ontological physiognomy check ontological physiognomy check

01:08:05.940 yes um and like this is what the guy you hear this all the time from like fat guys who are like

01:08:12.520 look i have class these you know honestly you go to any right wing meetup and you'll see these guys

01:08:19.060 you'll see guys who like newsboy caps everywhere unironic fedoras bow ties like okay let me give

01:08:28.200 you an example actually you know what let me just cover this first again i don't want to sound like

01:08:32.020 i hate this guy but i just think he's wrong and the reason i'm using this specifically is just

01:08:37.560 because i think other people believe it like i do think i think a poorly dressed fit guy will get

01:08:44.680 more girls than a well-dressed out of shape guy i i've seen that happen i live in the world where

01:08:51.100 i've seen that occur has anyone else seen that like i like well-dressed guys or fat like normal

01:08:58.520 norm core guys so dress like absolutely like go find a ripped guy dressed like he just left the

01:09:03.620 and he will get more girls easily like it's a shockingly false statement it's just it's mind

01:09:09.860 blowingly false and i and i would tie it back to some of the the insinuations that the original

01:09:17.120 that loma has made in the first two tweets which is kind of indicating a certain like a class

01:09:23.700 position maybe or like a sphere that they travel in this is not to clampoon them but like maybe you

01:09:28.540 guys shouldn't be speaking for all of us maybe like because he had said in the first tweet stop

01:09:33.620 larping as peasants act act like your your class it's like now hold on a second who do you think

01:09:39.140 you're talking to because it's like most of us maybe i'm wrong but when i say most of us i mean

01:09:43.820 most people who have been disenfranchised by the current system are not like college elite guys

01:09:50.680 we're working class white guys so i mean we are we are peasants you know and we don't actually

01:09:56.960 know a lot of people who walk around every single working day wearing suits for whether like it does

01:10:02.600 it doesn't make any fucking sense right like we're making a joke about linemen linemen going up on

01:10:07.200 in a scissor lift with a fucking newsboy cap and his blazer on like why also it's like i'm not

01:10:13.440 speaking to these specific individuals but a lot of the guys i see who kind of echo this it's like

01:10:20.040 you are like you are peasants you are peasants who just bought a share in your own serfdom

01:10:27.100 like a lot of these guys who went to college it's like you actually didn't really ascend past

01:10:32.420 the average lineman the average peasants like you're you are peasants you're golems essentially

01:10:38.680 like they let you come two rungs up the ladder so that you feel like you've got somewhere and

01:10:43.540 then you do some gatekeeping bullshit like i don't want to get too mean about it but like that's kind

01:10:46.760 of what this is right you you think that you're a higher class and you think you're patting us on

01:10:51.640 the back by claiming we're a higher class but it's the other way around brother you're you're still

01:10:55.620 one of us like you haven't gone anywhere and it's like the guy who is ripped can walk around in

01:11:02.040 athleisure wear and looks good and also you know there's oh i'm not again not trying to like lampoon

01:11:08.140 or get these guys specifically because they're smart guys i'd like them any other day of the

01:11:11.820 week i like them but i've heard this thing before and i'm going to give an example that again this

01:11:18.240 is just a whole bully segment but um i've seen been to right-wing meetups i've seen these people

01:11:26.280 like i said like they're wearing tweed jackets they're wearing suits three-piece suits they're

01:11:31.300 dressed to the nines but they're in an environment where that is abnormal and i think that works

01:11:38.440 against you like for example like let's take review bra you know review bra right the guy who

01:11:44.720 does yeah running on empty food review hello everyone this is running on empty food review

01:11:54.700 well hello ladies gentlemen and everyone watching welcome one and all to this newest edition of the

01:12:01.240 running on empty food review series i'm your host the report of the week always a pleasure to be here

01:12:07.860 and look we all love review bra he's a national treasure he's a legend we must protect review bra

01:12:17.240 i get it like i've been there but we need to admit that if you look across the room and see

01:12:23.100 review bra most people say oh that's one of those weird kids that's what i think we need to avoid

01:12:31.060 so there's this idea like i see guys like this every day like the guy's like i'm gonna bring

01:12:35.440 back suits i want to be no one dresses nice anymore let's be the ones who dress nice i said

01:12:40.260 my position was always fashion works contextually right if you are wearing a suit in a place where

01:12:48.420 people wear suits because that's what they'll say they'll say back in the day people used to wear

01:12:51.200 suits i say i agree that's great and i actually wish we lived back then because that means a good

01:12:56.700 suit would probably be a lot cheaper the the craftsmanship and tailoring would be better

01:13:00.800 right now a good suit like a really good suit costs you like fifteen hundred dollars that's

01:13:06.900 like fitted properly so it doesn't look retarded on you so that's in back then you could probably

01:13:11.880 get a fitted suit for way way less but if you are the guy who is wearing a suit in a place where

01:13:17.340 people don't wear suits you stand out like a sore thumb and i think that works against you

01:13:22.600 and this i apply this to pretty much anyone who wears like a bolo tie or a bow tie and i'm a guy

01:13:29.040 like i dress retarded i'm the guy who would love to wear a bolo tie but i would do that because

01:13:34.180 i understand that i'm also like a rob zombie type guy and i want to look retarded on purpose

01:13:38.740 but if you think if you think that is dressing well you're so off you are so like way you don't

01:13:47.580 understand why people dress well like it's not praxeological it's not a statement you're like

01:13:52.740 the guy wearing at and this is what we were saying about like billionaires like we want to dress like

01:13:58.040 elites well look at how elites dress elon musk dresses in the t-shirt and jeans and someone will

01:14:02.980 say oh no but he dresses like the elite type of t-shirts and jeans i'm like okay yes he wears a

01:14:08.000 ten thousand dollar fucking track suit so does zuckerberg so do all the elites they wear very

01:14:14.200 expensive just whatever the fuck i'm like even bill gates just wears like an off color button

01:14:19.520 up shirt top button undone no tie sleeves rolled up and like gray slacks like he looks like

01:14:24.100 somebody's chartered accountant but he's one of the richest men on earth like and he's a fucking

01:14:27.800 boomer so like you're i'm sorry but your argument doesn't hold up and i just want to say about what

01:14:32.080 you're saying about context i was arguing this in the chat i'm essentially saying the same thing

01:14:35.040 and that's why i was mentioning earlier about that these guys either are or think they are

01:14:38.960 from a different class and i get it that if you go into like a board meeting and you're the only guy

01:14:44.960 wearing a shirt even if the elites wear shirts fine but if you're the only guy at this boomer

01:14:49.200 board meeting who isn't wearing a tie you fucked up you should have worn a tie but you our like

01:14:54.900 the audience of the people reading this are not fucking members of the board of fortune 500

01:14:59.560 companies we are working class people so we've like aside from church and funerals you have

01:15:05.100 rarely an occasion to dress up and also keep in mind like you want to dress nice so the way you

01:15:11.400 dress will read as nice so if let's say you are a woman and you look at this guy and he's walking

01:15:18.700 down the street middle of the afternoon wearing like a three-piece suit or wearing a blazer and

01:15:24.300 no one else is wearing a blazer they say yeah he's dressed nice why is he dressed nice see

01:15:28.140 dressing nice in the context where no one else is dressing nice still looks abnormal and it's not

01:15:34.220 necessarily attractive you know i mean like it needs to be and so and i guess the problem we're

01:15:38.120 getting into is and this is the root of my problem and i'm applying this to a lot of different people

01:15:42.840 which is like we are treating this like a uniform and that's not the way to do it you know i mean

01:15:49.200 like it needs to fashion is contextual fashion is like we need to up our game for why like what

01:15:55.620 are you trying to pretend to be and also the idea of a blazer like we need to be taken seriously

01:16:00.560 serious people wear blazers no they don't like people at you went to university so people who

01:16:07.100 went to university wear blazers but you know what the guys who wore blazers at university

01:16:10.680 weren't getting pussy i bet you the guys who were getting pussy at harvard at princeton

01:16:15.400 dressed in athleisure wear i bet they were on the fucking rowing team and they weren't wearing a

01:16:20.280 bunch of and they weren't talking to their buddies about blazers or they had some cool like you know

01:16:25.700 k-pop inspired like latex jacket or some dumb shit you know what i mean like something that

01:16:32.040 like women i don't know what women like but something like that you know what i mean like

01:16:35.460 this is you as a weird college nerd telling the rest of us what what women like like this is part

01:16:42.960 of the reason that it's so ridiculous it's like look i know i don't know what women like but they

01:16:46.900 don't like fucking blazers with the leather patches on the elbows like come on man you know

01:16:50.660 i was always hostile to the idea of the long house i probably shouldn't have been

01:16:56.080 i don't even know what that is i keep hearing that i'll tell you this so it's it's a good idea

01:17:01.020 like i i didn't like it because i heard insufferable people talk about it all the time and

01:17:07.180 they seem to be using it in ways that were contradictory but the longhouse and i think

01:17:13.060 i have the right read on this the longhouse is this idea it's not really a viking thing but it's

01:17:18.700 like if i describe it it's like the feminist superstructure that men live in so a longhouse

01:17:25.360 is like you're you're a man a modern man but your idea of masculinity is influenced and informed by

01:17:33.060 femininity so it's like you think you're being masculine but is your version of masculinity

01:17:37.780 actually like a feminized version of masculinity and once you think of it like that and you start

01:17:43.080 thinking about masculine things like it's easy to spiral when you think about this like for example

01:17:48.620 the fact that we're all like focusing laser focusing on fashion you know to define our

01:17:55.440 masculinity is that like a longhouse thing is it a longhouse thing for like men to give a shit

01:17:59.760 about the types of shoes they need to get women you know stuff like that i'm not saying that's

01:18:04.800 what this is but that is these are the conversations you have when you start logos and another one

01:18:09.420 that i think is interesting and i think about it a lot because i think it really strikes at the

01:18:15.700 heart and i'm not saying i agree with it but it does strike at the heart of sort of right-wing

01:18:19.940 thinking it's the idea of being a family man and this is where you get into that bronze age pervert

01:18:25.360 stuff this is where you get into a lot of like the deep trad guys who are like the idea of you

01:18:30.380 wanting to be a father and raising your kids is a feminine thing as a man what you should want to do

01:18:36.580 you just run around and fuck women and actually like abandon them and and father like spread your

01:18:42.100 seed wide and raise them in a more masculine way and you wanting to like be close to home

01:18:48.160 and be a caretaker is a long house thinking sort of thing and i'm like i'm not sure i agree like

01:18:54.580 i see where you're going with that i'm like hmm and it's it's a challenging idea because

01:18:59.180 in our scene your fatherhood's important legacy is important and and building like a strong

01:19:04.580 home's important they're saying that well you know back in the day then you see that i actually

01:19:08.600 historically disagree with that um i think it's historically inaccurate however like i see that

01:19:14.740 definition by that definition like niggers in in in detroit are the apex masculine males they

01:19:22.380 they unironically would say things like that right which is why it's stupid and they should

01:19:27.200 shut the fuck up yeah i mean it's dumb however then it's aside from that the whole you know

01:19:32.640 fashion like guys we got to get together we are the vet because we're also saying we're the

01:19:36.780 vanguards of masculinity right we'll say that we're the ones holding the torch of masculinity

01:19:41.320 yeah and we ought we ought to be i don't i don't know if we are but and the thing we're

01:19:45.740 we're talking about is what type of how how to pair the right shoes with the right slacks

01:19:51.560 you know what i mean is that in essence a feminized very gay thing i would say yes

01:19:57.380 so in a very real sense everyone is gayer having listened to this podcast wicked sick

01:20:04.560 i'm so sorry guys and for in from you know the longhouse perspective we spent 40 minutes talking

01:20:10.540 about how to raise your toddler yeah jesus christ we are the leading feminist podcast

01:20:15.620 of the about to be arrested right it's been said i also want to say you know just uh we kind of led

01:20:23.520 with the nasty stuff let's say that the good stuff that i generally agree with the premise like when

01:20:29.880 i go to walmart and i look around i see fat guys in jerseys and i got in trouble for saying cargo

01:20:37.100 shorts so i'm not going to say wearing cargo shorts but wearing sweatpants and sandals like

01:20:42.500 there are guys out there who put no effort in who look like shit who are also out of shape but i get

01:20:47.640 that i'm not saying but my position was more like i don't see guys on our side who dress like that

01:20:53.560 like the the worst of the worst the laziest of the lazy i don't think the guys who listen to this show

01:20:59.980 or in our political milieu are like that those are just like the drags of society yeah so to tell

01:21:06.560 them like step your game up like generally i think our game is pretty stepped up from what i've seen

01:21:11.860 and my fear is that once you start really trying it's like no no we need to we need to bring

01:21:16.940 anyone who says they're going to bring suits back i'm like you know you're not going to be the guy

01:21:20.600 to do that that's not the hill you should die on that is not the wave you should really try to surf

01:21:26.080 um like that is how you end up as a guy in pittsburgh who's trying to bring seer sucker

01:21:33.260 back now there's parts of america where wearing a seer sucker suit makes sense contextually

01:21:38.900 new orleans the south but you you don't end up as a politically active guy living in idaho

01:21:46.700 who's like you know what i'm going to start being taken seriously by wearing a seersucker and a bolo

01:21:51.680 tie you you should kill yourself if that's you i don't you know if you remember but in high school

01:21:58.200 in high school i had in i don't know if you remember but in high school i had two seersucker

01:22:02.900 shirts and also in high school not sure if you recall but everyone called me gay so

01:22:08.240 it must have just been the wrong context i was just trying to look classy i know but that's

01:22:14.000 you're allowed to do that as a teenager everyone's allowed to fuck around as a teenager

01:22:17.800 and but then once you're an adult you got to be like okay like i i must put away my childish things

01:22:24.620 and if that just means wearing like maybe everyone default to athleisure everyone just wear fucking

01:22:30.800 track pants and be comfortable look like you're about to go for a run that's it that's why i'm

01:22:35.420 not anti-sneaker anymore like i was like i'm the i am the guy let me just say this um the reason i

01:22:42.080 can say this is because i've done all of this i am not speaking from a position of wisdom here

01:22:49.560 i'm speaking from position of experience so much experience that it's welded together as something

01:22:56.560 that at first blush might seem like wisdom but upon further inspection is monstrous you know

01:23:03.700 like i've done all this dumb shit is what i'm saying like the reason we do this show we get

01:23:09.200 into all this theoretical research academic stuff is because i have done every dumb thing a man can

01:23:15.980 do there's only smart and healthy things left for me to do now that's what i'm saying like dude just

01:23:23.240 don't even fucking do the thing like guys we got that's america first this is how you get like 18

01:23:29.060 year olds wearing a blazer that doesn't fit it's like we're serious now don't even that is such a

01:23:34.260 good example oh my that's that's literally it it's the fucking the the gripers these these sorry but

01:23:41.720 these oily shrimpy little faggots who think they're impressing people with 500 jackets but

01:23:48.040 like you you're this little acne-faced college student telling me that sex with women is gay

01:23:54.720 like you know what you learn about women is that you can get away with a lot with women

01:24:01.920 you can you actually can you know it's not that hard to get women if you have confidence you can

01:24:07.680 do pretty much anything and i've i've pushed this to the limits but the problem is if you are looking

01:24:15.280 for a uniform if you are looking to step something up you'll always exude inverse confidence you'll

01:24:24.500 always look uncomfortable you will always seem out of your element if you if if you go out in

01:24:31.320 the world with the thought that i am dressing up you will radiate the exact opposite energy that

01:24:38.560 you want yeah yeah it all telegraphs it all telegraphs and likewise if you wear something

01:24:43.040 that might not be the classiest but it's something that you are incredibly happy and comfortable in

01:24:48.780 your back will be straighter like this this again telegraphs to other people around you

01:24:53.680 another thing that telegraphs you want to talk about a uniform wearing things that that that are

01:24:58.060 like other people around you like bounce off of if you're going out with friends and you're

01:25:02.180 bouncing off of the guys around you whatever they're wearing yeah what if you want to look

01:25:05.800 nice take what they're doing and just go a step over right maybe you're just a little bit cleaner

01:25:11.000 than them maybe that's all you fucking brushed your hair today that's all it is right but yeah

01:25:15.540 if you go down there and you're wearing your fucking seersucker suit to the club you're gonna

01:25:20.240 yeah yeah and that's why going to the gym is actually good like i would before people try

01:25:28.320 and step up their fashion game i would encourage you to go to the gym because it actually is harder

01:25:33.440 to go to the gym it's harder psychologically if you've never been to the gym you probably built

01:25:38.840 it it's a lot of people don't want to admit this it's something that's that's scary to them they're

01:25:43.960 going into a new environment they know they've never been before they think they're weak and

01:25:47.200 shrimpy or fat and they think that everyone's going to be looking at them when they go in and

01:25:52.520 that guys are way more difficult and it is but and you know what the thing is you're right

01:25:56.880 you're a hundred percent right when you walk in the gym if you look like shit there will be people

01:26:01.040 looking at you they will clock you from a mile away that this guy's never been here before he's

01:26:05.360 not using things right he doesn't get the rhythm of the place but the thing is once you cross that

01:26:11.980 rubicon that makes you more confident just doing that will make you more confident in your skin i

01:26:18.280 fucking promise you if you go once a week and lift a few weights and get get a sense of yourself

01:26:23.940 your body your and and the guys around you and just if you push through that you will exude more

01:26:32.220 confidence even if you don't get in shape you will exude more confidence than the most expensive suit

01:26:37.860 and that means you can wear whatever the fuck you want however if you're a guy who's like

01:26:42.400 you know saying like you know this it's not first of all it's not an either or

01:26:46.820 but second of all if i had to pick one i would pick lifting because the thing about lifting is

01:26:52.880 being part of that community and doing that will make it so you can you can walk around like a

01:26:58.780 fucking retard and still get pussy the problem is if you just walk around well dressed you exude

01:27:05.700 to nervousness i promise you that and then that nervousness will turn to bitterness because you're

01:27:11.040 at you're at war with your environment visually you always want to be visually at war with your

01:27:16.260 environment no you fucking don't that's psychotic and women are pretty good at sensing psychotic

01:27:22.300 but you'll be bad psychotic you got to be good psychotic which is ironically bad psychotic

01:27:28.200 dangerous psychotic women are complicated like that you got to be to be the good you got to be

01:27:32.740 the bad so you actually the bad psychotic for a woman is actually safer for that you need to be

01:27:40.340 dangerous psychotic we'll go into this at a later time it's better to be a serial killer

01:27:47.580 than a nerd i guess that's what i'm saying you want to be bundy not cheney you want

01:27:53.580 yes

01:27:57.260 actually

01:27:59.780 now this might be very divisive

01:28:03.620 I hope I

01:28:04.380 this was a real

01:28:08.340 one of our classic fugue states we went in

01:28:11.240 I don't know

01:28:12.020 I think I did the thing where I took five different positions

01:28:15.480 throughout

01:28:15.960 that's alright

01:28:17.540 they were all right

01:28:18.780 they were all correct

01:28:19.560 I just gotta go to the washroom really quickly

01:28:21.220 hold on

01:28:21.620 i'm so glad we put toilet talk in the script for this episode

01:28:27.140 this is toilet talk or sink like i've done this on my sinks too where it's like just

01:28:31.800 stuff and just i pull out darkness nice so that's what you got it but like your house

01:28:39.500 i shudder to think of what is lurking in the pipes yeah me too yeah you got civilizations

01:28:47.520 is lurking in there probably it's a it's a whole season of doctor who down in my pipe

01:28:52.880 oh that's a good one

01:28:58.180 speaking of civilizations let's talk about this book i read that's not a very good yes maybe

01:29:09.640 no that was good that was good it could be one of my all-time worst sigus

01:29:14.520 look we didn't we didn't have to talk about that fucking russian non-coup isn't that cool

01:29:22.780 nice which actually might have served this discussion um we're gonna this is building

01:29:29.060 off of what we talked about in the last few episodes uh which were mainly about heartland

01:29:34.920 theory um and prior to that we're discussing the geopolitical realities living in canada

01:29:40.360 infiltrated by the chinese communist party and the triads and um carrying on that path there's a book

01:29:47.360 i read that makes a bit more a modern approach to geopolitics is not locked in the 20th century

01:29:54.720 or the 19th century it's a more of a modern geopolitical reality that i i don't agree with

01:30:03.140 completely i don't agree some of the books we cover here on out i don't agree with their models 100

01:30:11.160 but there's enough truth in them that i think we can extract it and work with it with what we talk

01:30:16.940 about because you know heartland theory like we talked about the past few episodes some people

01:30:20.900 some people who subscribe to heartland theory think that explains everything all geopolitical

01:30:26.400 events and i don't but i do think it exists and i do think it's relevant similarly this book

01:30:31.460 titled the clash of civilizations and the remaking of world order by samuel p huntington it takes a

01:30:40.560 bit of a broader approach and so the arguments he makes don't agree with all of them but there's a

01:30:44.740 lot of truth in here and i think it will resonate a lot with our audience so the idea central to

01:30:53.440 this book is that we are it was written in 1996 first of all so there's a lot that's happened

01:31:00.580 sense and i don't know if there was a newer edition the one i got was one of the original

01:31:04.740 ones from 1996 so uh you know it's um it's difficult to explain to people who haven't

01:31:12.100 looked through it how much 9-11 changed everything but there's a lot of like pre-9-11 stuff he's

01:31:17.680 talking about here that is still relevant to this day um so one thing he says like the center of the

01:31:24.740 book is that we're almost living in a post-nationalist world and the late 20th century

01:31:29.880 early 21st century um and i think we feel that a bit more now than ever before but even back then

01:31:37.380 he was talking about this and saying that like in the in this new world it's cultural and

01:31:42.640 civilizational identities which define the primary conflicts rather than class or ideology class or

01:31:49.340 ideology were sort of 19th and 20th century ideas at one point you had clashes between different

01:31:56.320 medieval lords. At another time in history, you had clashes between European kings. At a third

01:32:03.020 time, you had clashes between the people and nobles in the 18th and 19th century, those

01:32:08.320 revolutions. You had clashes between different ideologies in the 20th century. The question for

01:32:15.200 us, moving into the 21st century, is not can we overcome clash, but what type of clashes will

01:32:22.080 exist in the world in the 21st century. And the answer that Samuel Huntington gives is what he

01:32:27.600 calls the clash of civilizations. To the point where people with differing ideologies will

01:32:35.140 actually come together over shared culture on the international stage. So it's more like

01:32:42.200 by civilizational identity, what do I mean? I mean, when people say the West or the East or

01:32:48.820 the Middle East. These are sort of very, very broad amalgamations of identities.

01:32:55.380 Countries pull together and cooperate when fighting for a shared ideology,

01:33:00.260 for instance in times of war. But Huntington believed that cultural differences are more

01:33:05.780 pervasive than ideology. He thought that cultural separations persist and therefore these differences

01:33:12.980 will be a perpetual source of recurring conflict he applies this theory to the alliances and

01:33:18.900 antagonisms that were formed during and after the cold war and in doing so raises some

01:33:24.900 controversial questions about the driver of conflict it's difficult when i speak to a lot of

01:33:30.980 europeans you know in the past and certain europeans now they don't understand this thing

01:33:38.420 we you know we don't they don't understand why you say white or black or asian and a lot of

01:33:43.860 europeans like you know there's no white there's there's british there's anglo there's german

01:33:48.980 there's scandinavian but this idea of white why do you guys use white no one in the real world

01:33:53.540 uses white but i'm like well they do uh if you're in a multicultural situation so and this is

01:34:00.980 something that you know many europeans are living through now as multiculturalism visits them they

01:34:07.220 see that their ethnic identities are gathering in ways that they didn't think they would you know

01:34:12.680 but in america for example it's a very distinct lived reality to to fall on black versus white

01:34:19.800 versus asian lines and people are correct in saying look the chinese don't like the japanese

01:34:25.820 the japanese don't like the koreans it's like but if you are a korean a japanese person a chinese

01:34:31.460 person in a room filled with black and white people you're going to cluster on the same side

01:34:35.860 of the room that's just lived reality it seems to geopolitically shake out geographically shake

01:34:42.460 out and in your lived reality you understand that if you these people you know jamaicans and

01:34:49.040 haitians and african americans they have a certain identity shared identity once they are put up

01:34:56.200 against other identities in a multicultural situation it just seems to happen organically

01:35:02.540 there's something important to that um and the only reason it didn't happen previously is because

01:35:07.860 this this multicultural experiment had never really emerged like this until the 20th century

01:35:14.080 the world is becoming a smaller place the interactions between peoples of different

01:35:19.220 civilizations are increasing uh these and these uh increasing in interactions will i believe

01:35:26.580 intensify civilization consciousness and awareness of differences between civilizations and

01:35:31.780 commonalities within civilization. North African immigration to France generated hostility

01:35:37.880 among Frenchmen as well as at the same time an increased receptivity to immigration by

01:35:45.380 good European Catholic Poles. Americans react far more negatively to Japanese investment

01:35:52.300 here than to the larger investments from Canada and European countries. The interactions among

01:35:58.620 peoples of different civilizations thus enhance the civilization consciousness of people which

01:36:04.540 in turn reinvigorates traditional differences and animosities stretching back into history

01:36:10.360 and he said that you know after world war ii there was a bunch of competing theories for

01:36:16.040 how geopolitics shook out there was four main ones he said there was like offensive realism

01:36:21.840 which we had talked about before with meersheimer and whatnot then there was sort of um ethnic lines

01:36:28.340 then there was this sort of idea of it's the west versus the rest of the world um but in this model

01:36:35.120 he's like i can he kind of combines it all it kind of combines ethnicity and race and geography into

01:36:40.220 the civilizational model and what's interesting is that later in the book he actually uses the

01:36:47.180 term demographics his destiny so even back in 90 in the mid 90s we hear that a lot now but in the

01:36:53.920 mid-90s he was still you could still be like a liberal type guy and say demographics is destiny

01:36:58.500 now that's only something us right-wing weirdos say but back then it seemed obvious to everyone

01:37:04.280 it's like well you know in a multicultural situation like the the more populous identity

01:37:10.620 is obviously going to run the show now you can't really say that but back then you could

01:37:15.800 and he was saying that in relation to a migration between islam of the muslim world and europe

01:37:23.760 and mexico versus the us so imagine back then saying look guys demographics is destiny in

01:37:28.640 relationship to mexican immigration and being a lib that was a different time

01:37:35.840 and the way he describes a civilization so an example of civilization would be the west

01:37:42.320 the western civilization um and the way he describes it i've never heard described like

01:37:48.080 this before but i like it a lot he says civilization is the largest we that we can

01:37:53.580 feel culturally at home now that is something that's always sort of negotiated like how how

01:37:58.640 broad can western civilization be does it include spain it doesn't seem to include russia does

01:38:06.440 western civilization include scandinavia maybe some parts some parts wouldn't it's something

01:38:12.020 that kind of changes over time but people do have a sense and people do have a sense that

01:38:18.180 you know even though north america is the west mexico doesn't seem to be part of the west does

01:38:24.800 it like that you don't need to really explain to people before they they get that they get that

01:38:30.300 west mexico is not part of the west and it could be racial it could be geographic but there's just

01:38:36.540 something there that everyone knows it and people are like oh p and and the european union knows

01:38:42.160 this too as liberals they want to be they know that turkey isn't really western yet and whether

01:38:49.820 or not people say it openly these are the discussions that are actually happening between

01:38:53.880 statesmen and between the most you know secular liberal countries in the world they understand

01:38:58.800 at least on some level that there is an ethnic cultural component to this that no one's allowed

01:39:04.860 to talk about and that's why you know turkey's kept on the fringes frankly uh and he says you

01:39:13.540 know civilizations they can be large or they can be small a civilization could be as large as china

01:39:18.640 or it could be as small as he describes the anglo anglophone caribbean you know and it's you know

01:39:26.100 comes in all shapes and sizes he says there have been 12 and this is where some people might

01:39:30.600 disagree there is some debate about this but he says there's been 12 major civilizations through

01:39:37.500 history uh the mesopotamian the egyptian the classical the byzantine the middle american

01:39:44.180 the indian then there's the current ones which are chinese japanese indian islamic it's kind

01:39:51.640 of a collective one western and latin american would be sort of the one that's emerged not even

01:39:59.220 that long ago to be honest because there was a time when latin america was just seen as this

01:40:03.300 backwater but now it's being spoken of almost as like a civilization that's starting to form and

01:40:09.320 that to be honest like that's one of the if i don't get to this later i'm going to say now

01:40:13.900 to give some people something to think about is like the future like we all agree there is such

01:40:20.220 a thing as like the western empire you know even if europeans don't want to agree it's like well

01:40:25.440 Well, China seems to think there is.

01:40:27.480 Russia seems to think there is.

01:40:28.960 The Middle East seems to think, like the whole world understands that there's this thing called the Western Empire.

01:40:35.240 Some people call it the Atlanticist.

01:40:36.880 Some people call it as the greater American Empire.

01:40:39.900 But whatever, there is this idea that it's America, Canada, North America, and then Europe, the American sphere of influence, which is, you know, the kind of Western Anglo sphere of influence, right?

01:40:50.680 and the question is how much can they absorb and is there a future where south america

01:40:59.900 becomes truly and fully part of the western empire some people say it's on its way there

01:41:06.620 right now but you know the the question you ask yourself is well okay what is latin america what

01:41:12.180 is south america interestingly enough like it can trace its roots back to spain spain is pretty

01:41:19.020 european and he makes a point in the book he's like you know like spain spain could have been

01:41:24.980 a world path like if spain wanted to it could have really been like the america to south america

01:41:31.780 but he said like it spent more time trying to become part of the western empire completely

01:41:36.660 relinquished its control over latin america and it just became its own thing but you have to ask

01:41:41.180 like is there a pathway where south america is truly culturally psychologically ethnically

01:41:49.560 absorbed into the western empire and what does that look like now my belief is that

01:41:54.880 that will essentially signal the end of white rule in the western empire and that that's and

01:42:02.140 i mean that in not as like a oh here's a decision right doom saying thing like no no no like i

01:42:07.840 honestly think like if you incorporate the economic and geographical and resource power of

01:42:13.720 south america into the western empire with its current control over trade and everything like

01:42:19.560 white people are pretty much done at that point because you know would you agree to that yeah i

01:42:26.960 think so i haven't thought much about it but it it isn't a nice thought i wouldn't advocate for

01:42:31.100 that happening certainly yeah and you know one thing that people might notice oh there's no

01:42:35.340 african civilization true um there he says like most scholars don't really give africa a great

01:42:43.100 civilization um at various points ethiopia could have been one because people say oh ethiopia

01:42:49.420 not really you know south africa isn't an empire there was never really a truly great

01:42:55.080 civilization there either and ethiopia was so heavily influenced by early islam and early

01:43:01.280 christianity and like trade and relationships with the arab empires and it's like i don't know it's

01:43:06.660 like they're they're african but even if they had a civilization i don't think you'd call ethiopia

01:43:10.680 at its peak which would have been a maybe a thousand years ago like you wouldn't call that

01:43:14.540 an african civilization yeah he made a point that's like if there was ever to be a contest

01:43:19.800 one in the running for it would have centered around south africa and would have been just

01:43:24.940 like yeah well yeah the white part but you know a lot of people if you're black you'd probably say

01:43:30.420 oh you know all the great civilizations were african but really you know they'll say like

01:43:35.580 oh the most the richest man in the world is african but not not civilization because to be

01:43:40.040 a civilization like you need to have like a strong we talked about this last episode with a core area

01:43:47.300 what is a core area like everyone kind of knows that france is a core area it's an area not

01:43:53.800 necessarily the biggest area not even necessarily the most populous area but a nation or a region

01:43:59.960 that is so culturally and militarily and ethnically united that it can project power

01:44:07.340 over the areas around it and it can kind of you know and it's just almost like a metaphysical

01:44:13.040 thing like the france even though it goes through so many changes france still exists there's still

01:44:18.500 like the spirit of france and it's still powerful like look at and he makes one like look at germany

01:44:24.700 look how crippled germany is right look at how compromised germany is look at you know the

01:44:30.340 whole world seems bent on smashing germany's smithereens yet the idea and the spirit and

01:44:38.080 the memory of germany still sits high in the cycle of go to fucking china and ask them about germany

01:44:44.620 they're going to speak about the germanic people with reverence i promise you despite fucking

01:44:49.760 whatever angle of merkel did to them but like there's still this this thing called germany

01:44:54.360 that's still like almost ontological and that's kind of what he's trying to grapple at with here

01:44:59.180 you know you can kind of switch out a lot of the materialist things but there's still something

01:45:03.360 that remains um he makes a point in here that that really doesn't have uh anything to do with

01:45:10.460 anything else that i'm going to talk about but it got me thinking and i'm going to just mention here

01:45:15.380 he said that all ideologies are projects of western intellectualism which you know we've

01:45:21.600 covered that on the show before like anarchism liberalism communist marxism fascism all this

01:45:27.760 kind of comes from the western world they didn't just organically get generated in the east but

01:45:33.060 he says um they were uh projects of the west but the west has never really generated a single

01:45:40.920 religion not in the true sense that we would talk about christianity or islam or even buddhism

01:45:47.860 and he makes a point in the book that actually buddhism would never count as its own civilization

01:45:54.200 because i never considered this but he said it never took dominance in its like the country

01:46:00.980 where it was created or something like buddhism has always been this kind of free floating thing

01:46:05.420 but it never was actually like a core power in a sense you know what i mean yeah that's

01:46:10.020 interesting yeah yeah but it is it makes you think like yeah the west has never generated a religion

01:46:15.260 it's kind of tried but even the religions seem ideological like mormonism to me i look at

01:46:22.120 mormonism like it doesn't feel like a religion it feels like just a version of christianity

01:46:27.240 that's more about like for a certain type of white person it didn't come from that deeper level it's

01:46:32.840 almost religion by way of ideology and that's nothing to do with anything i'm gonna say i just

01:46:38.800 thought that's something to think about um although some people would say oh the you know

01:46:44.700 european religion would be paganism yeah i know i know but you know not compared to confucianism

01:46:51.800 but that would be the exception that proves the rule though because all of the ideologies

01:46:56.260 and the ideologies and like the success in the global empires that we created as westerners came

01:47:02.380 after paganism was wiped out by christianity yeah right so not a right yeah um and there's

01:47:09.620 on the topic of scale he's got a part here where he says in a globalized world

01:47:15.460 civilizational consciousness maximizes and stops at the level of noteworthy civilization so that's

01:47:22.520 kind of interesting and so it's like there is this thing like the african civilization quote

01:47:27.180 will be like an entire continent but the chinese civilization is so strong it's just one country

01:47:31.360 and the france civilization it's an even smaller country but there is sort of like a we talked

01:47:37.420 about last time like a line of optimum conquest and the story of russia uh from the last episode

01:47:43.080 it's like how much can the the entire russian imperialism period was like a negotiation to

01:47:49.820 how big can russia be and still remain russia and in the sense this is the story of every empire

01:47:56.020 that's ever fallen once the empire really expands past its ability to you know consolidate its

01:48:02.700 internal forces it kind of falls apart so it's like you know um can russia expand past the slavic

01:48:09.000 world not really tried it tried getting in the middle east but just the the forces of the world

01:48:14.040 pushed it back because you can might be able to take it but you can't maintain it you know and i

01:48:19.440 think that's what you see with the european union like who should be let in we won't talk about but

01:48:25.340 does does the european union make sense with certain countries on the edges involved or would

01:48:33.060 it stop being internally consistent that's again a very broad way of looking at but that's the

01:48:38.720 conversation that they're having right now it'll be cloaked in policy and things but that's

01:48:43.220 essentially what they're talking about um let me just read part here oh and also a big thing he

01:48:50.040 talks about in this is that if you start going down this road you would start thinking oh is

01:48:56.080 it possible that all civilizations will become one grand civilization and he doesn't say that

01:49:01.780 at all he says no no no that the existence of these civilizations almost seems to imply that

01:49:07.200 there never can be one universal civilization so the united states the argument is made

01:49:14.160 best recognize this in its own interest that's first that this is the way the new world is

01:49:20.880 shaping up this is the way in which it seems to be shaping whatever we said about a new world order

01:49:24.880 yeah it hasn't it hasn't evolved the way we thought it might be well certainly the euphoria which

01:49:31.840 existed in 1989 after the berlin wall came down has disappeared and i think there were great hopes

01:49:39.280 at that time that we were entering a new world order,

01:49:44.500 that this is going to be a world in which Western ideas of liberal democracy

01:49:50.820 and capitalism would sweep across the world,

01:49:54.640 and that a new era of harmony would emerge.

01:49:58.000 Well, that hasn't happened.

01:50:00.080 History hasn't ended.

01:50:02.000 It's in many respects been renewed in a very dramatic and often rather brutal fashion.

01:50:07.620 You're taking, you're using another author's notion.

01:50:10.120 Oh, that's right.

01:50:10.480 It is that Viamma said that history had ended because the West had won the great battle.

01:50:16.640 That's right.

01:50:16.940 The ideological battle.

01:50:18.340 The ideological battle.

01:50:19.200 And there was nothing else to do.

01:50:21.140 Basically, that was what Frank Viamma was saying, yeah.

01:50:24.380 And he, in reviewing your book in the Wall Street Journal, took issue with, obviously.

01:50:29.020 If we follow this model, the expansions, they expand as far as they possibly can.

01:50:35.400 and most of the wars are between the fact that they literally can't expand anymore they're always

01:50:40.320 like bumping up against each other so to act like it's just this oh we're all evolving in the same

01:50:45.100 direction it's like no we're actually we're evolving to the maximum size that we can be

01:50:49.940 it seems that at a certain point you either have to just you kind of just destroy or absorb each

01:50:55.040 other that's what you know wars of conquest are about we'll get into that a bit next episode but

01:51:00.420 that's why you know imperialism is kind of inevitable once you once you get big enough

01:51:05.980 interestingly he calls the the belief of a universal civilization he calls Davos culture

01:51:13.920 he says like the belief of a universal civilization only exists in like one percent of the world

01:51:20.540 so you know it's funny that he said Davos there's these will be the Klaus Schwab's these would be

01:51:25.440 the world economic forum these would be the types of people that we talk about on the show the elites

01:51:29.580 the globalist elites um they're the only ones that believe in a universalist uh society and

01:51:35.060 they're to this day they're still talking about it so it was just kind of um i know they've been

01:51:39.040 talking about this for decades but it was funny to see back in 1996 he's still saying like these

01:51:44.520 motherfuckers at the world economic forum they think we could have like a one world government

01:51:48.380 and they're they're just still fucking through with it um now he makes a point in here again

01:51:55.060 this doesn't really have a lot to do with the rest of it but it's such an interesting point that

01:51:59.440 really changed how he looked at it he said um english became the dominant language

01:52:05.200 almost because it became de-ethnotized and it became indigenized wherever it was used

01:52:12.980 um so it almost said it said yeah like there was a quote in here that said like the fall

01:52:19.500 the true fall of the west was when the west started losing its europeanness and he's making

01:52:27.280 to claim that the trade-off for English becoming sort of the global language it's not really but

01:52:33.380 it kind of is we all kind of know it is was that by necessity English had to become less European

01:52:39.740 it had to become this sort of patois that everyone uses and so by engaging in this cultural imperialism

01:52:48.100 you almost doomed like the European-ness of the thing you were exporting you know you kind of

01:52:53.940 make europeanness something everyone can participate in which eventually turns back on you

01:52:59.980 now again this has nothing to do with what else i was going to say but i just thought that was an

01:53:04.140 interesting way of looking at like the the deal with the devil you make for global influence is

01:53:09.860 you lose some essence of yourself or like by globalizing your like through imperialism

01:53:18.860 globalizing your you globalize yourself you know what i mean by by engaging in that so

01:53:25.080 it almost seems inevitable um now there's this theory called uh herodianism i'm probably

01:53:34.420 pronouncing that wrong but it was coined by this guy named toinby um it was this belief and this

01:53:39.720 was sort of the core of davos culture of this universalist civilization one world government

01:53:46.700 stuff it was this belief that nations must westernize in order to advance you see this

01:53:53.420 with francis fukuyama you see this a lot of liberals like oh you guys want to modernize

01:53:57.840 you want to join us in the tech revolution well to do that you're going to have to westernize

01:54:02.860 to modernize is to westernize which means you have to bring in property rights individual rights

01:54:08.700 freedom of the press freedom of expression gay rights all that stuff um they've been saying that

01:54:13.500 for a long time and essentially to modernize you must become secular liberals um and and he says

01:54:22.360 that's not the truth because he says as you this is the line i love as you westernize the rest of

01:54:28.680 the world the west the rest of the world defines what the west is which is axiomatic and i never

01:54:35.880 thought of it like that before but he says what really actually happens is as we've seen people

01:54:41.420 thought this is what would happen like the 50s as they adopt our western techniques they'll become

01:54:45.220 more like us they actually didn't um what he found is that culture cultural customs seem to maximize

01:54:54.360 under modernization like you see this in china it's like okay we will learn from the west we'll

01:54:59.260 take your techniques we'll take your strategies but we will use this to actually draw a deeper

01:55:04.940 distinction between us we'll actually maximize our cultural differences which is i mean like you can

01:55:09.540 just you know follow the tactics of the west and not become like the west and really just take them

01:55:16.240 and use that to like become more like yourselves and that's actually what they saw and so and then

01:55:22.380 then you end up with the modern situation well what is the west then because we thought it was

01:55:26.260 just these these tactics and these beliefs but no you can it turns out you could have modern

01:55:31.480 factories without human rights right it's called the invariance hypothesis in the book

01:55:37.920 In various hypotheses, in the early stages, modernization increases Westernization. In the later phases, modernization facilitates the rejection of Westernization. You actually give them the tools to more competently reject the West, which is the irony.

01:55:55.540 if you kept them as peasants you could have kept them under control but you kind of give them the

01:55:59.740 tools which define themselves to almost increase their nationalistic fervor and use that against

01:56:06.560 you and he says that you know it's part of this civilizational model that the world is undergoing

01:56:12.900 a process of indigenization and they're adopting the western tactics but not western attitudes and

01:56:20.480 And so people are becoming more and more hostile to the West while the West is having a crisis of defining itself.

01:56:28.640 And that, I think, pretty well describes the situation right now.

01:56:33.000 And so that's where we have the East versus the West.

01:56:35.120 and the crucial central conflict in many respects it seems to me in the coming years

01:56:43.240 will be between the west on the one hand and an islamic confucian coalition on the other

01:56:52.760 the action of a this islamic confucian coalition however is i think only symptomatic of a general

01:57:01.740 reaction against the West on the part of non-Western societies as the West uses its international

01:57:08.440 institutions it controls, its military power, and its economic resources to run the world

01:57:17.620 in ways that will maintain Western predominance, protect Western interests, and promote Western

01:57:24.060 political and economic values.

01:57:27.580 and we're going to talk about this when i speak with um the interview we're going to have him

01:57:33.340 next with an individual very popular individual named endeavor he's a canadian man who lives in

01:57:39.640 russia and i was asking him about you know what's it like on the ground in russia um how do they do

01:57:44.660 they see you as canadian or do they see you as western they say you know practically they see me

01:57:49.780 as canadian but outside of outside of the west there is a very and i've said this all right but

01:57:57.540 there's a very strong conceptualization of what the West is.

01:58:01.760 They know who is part of the West, Canada is part of the West,

01:58:05.120 and they might be nice to you because, oh, you're Canadian,

01:58:07.640 you're not American,

01:58:08.220 but they kind of know you're from this broad sphere of influence

01:58:13.460 and they will treat you accordingly.

01:58:15.880 Just as like we can look to the East, it's like, you know,

01:58:18.400 there is sort of this broad unity between the East.

01:58:22.260 And even though there are some political differences,

01:58:24.300 I'm like at the drop of a hat, you know,

01:58:26.780 china probably could even want to take over a lot of the area and become the sort of cynic empire

01:58:34.220 you know you could and in a lot of ways you know he had to stop that it happened from middle east

01:58:38.460 that's the story of gaddafi he was on his way of trying to unite people but you know

01:58:43.340 it's what happens to try and make your own bank right uh

01:58:48.060 and we know this practically because economic alliances make more sense between culturally

01:58:54.140 uh similar areas or culturally related areas um like we see uh the scandinavia unite we see the

01:59:03.100 baltic regions unite um and we see north america unite but the problem is still like mexico why is

01:59:09.760 it so hard to you know even though we've got you know nafta it's like there's there's still these

01:59:14.740 problems that make it harder to trade between canada and the u.s and mexico because there is

01:59:20.260 just this ethnic division there it's kind of going away now we'll see where that goes but

01:59:24.860 really there's you know when people talk about friend shoring there's this uh topic that comes

01:59:30.740 up a lot in geopolitical circles called friend shoring and that's the idea of the west broadly

01:59:36.420 the western empire taking back all of its manufacturing taking it all back from china

01:59:41.980 taking it all back from these other areas and maybe even africa wherever the fuck it was and

01:59:47.220 bringing it back to our allies into our sphere of influence but then well what is in our sphere

01:59:52.860 of influence and some people were saying your friend show me is a good idea you know bring

01:59:56.500 manufacturing back and i said well all that manufacturing is going to fucking mexico

01:59:59.820 what does that mean for me what does that mean for all the steel towns where we grew up does

02:00:04.860 that mean manufacturing is coming back to america or does it mean uh manufacturers coming back to

02:00:10.480 the newest fringe frontier area that is part of the american empire called mexico and what we

02:00:17.800 are actually starting to see is this sort of reformation of mexico into something that could

02:00:25.440 exist in the american empire maybe that takes a hundred years but maybe french shoring is just

02:00:30.380 you know a power play to help like re teach mexico how to be western but it's not gonna

02:00:37.200 it's not going to help canada that that's just one little prediction we'll see but for all the

02:00:42.560 all the stories i'm hearing that all the manufacturers go in this fucking mexican

02:00:45.820 place and you have to ask why right um and this is one of the reasons why certain even economic

02:00:54.140 economic unity between areas that are geographically um close just don't seem to work

02:01:02.980 like for example um the east asian economic caucus was a big project and again an obvious

02:01:09.520 project like why don't all these east to east asian countries get together but japan just didn't want

02:01:14.720 to join um and why didn't japan want to join because japan is this outlier japan is this

02:01:20.440 fascinating case where it's a tiny island on the fringes of the eurasian continent but

02:01:26.140 it is for all intents and purposes a core area it is like france it is culturally religiously

02:01:34.340 ethnically distinct and it can stand on its own and it did it fought off china fought off russia

02:01:40.120 it's got a lot of power there and it just decided that it was not culturally similar enough to china

02:01:47.960 even though you would think so but it's starting to get there another example was for a while

02:01:54.580 australia was trying to broker more deals with china and they're like look we're right there's

02:02:00.460 there was a time where australia was trying to break from the west because australia is so far

02:02:06.400 away right australia it's like we want to stand on our own so for us to stand on our own and achieve

02:02:11.580 our sovereignty we should have a better relationship with china and these east asian countries and it

02:02:16.460 just never took off and the reason he gave in the book was like they just don't like westerners

02:02:22.180 china doesn't like australia they don't like australians they think they're too loud they

02:02:28.300 think they're weird they just don't have a long comment and frankly there's this idea uh that a

02:02:34.520 lot of capitalists have that business is some universal language that everyone speaks it's

02:02:40.440 kind of the opposite like business is very very difficult to conduct with people who are not your

02:02:45.320 own like it's very difficult for westerners to do conduct business in china to the point where

02:02:52.220 you need to like either like be there yourself or hire chinese people to like translate not just

02:02:58.900 the language but the cultural customs right it's not just that everyone learns the same business

02:03:03.860 language so it's like the even an economic thing economic scenarios that would make sense that

02:03:12.640 would be mutually beneficial there's no reason why australia and china shouldn't have a trade

02:03:17.200 agreement it just always fucking falls apart and the problem that means it can't just be economic

02:03:23.500 and it can't just be geographic it has to be this other civilizational essence that

02:03:28.860 the oil and the water just don't mix and and what are we going to do about that

02:03:34.180 whereas something like nato or caracom their effective alliance is because they're between

02:03:42.260 western nations uh even like these trade unions in the caribbean between caribbean countries they

02:03:47.560 kind of work because they are caribbean um but even like defensive alliances don't fail that's

02:03:53.360 why like even when we were talking about last episode like these nations that could only

02:03:57.520 momentarily unite against russia like why was europe europe so at odds for so long because it

02:04:04.720 had to like learn how to be a civilization and only when europe learned to be a civilization

02:04:10.820 could it fight back against russia but you know it's not obvious that if you are distinct enough

02:04:17.900 cultures that you could even unite against a common foe for more than like one war then you're

02:04:23.420 immediately at war with each other again and that's just how it is and then to the point being

02:04:27.140 that that's why this bricks thing i don't know if that will work and for people to know bricks like

02:04:34.320 what is bricks that's like it's india that's russia that's china it's this dream that if these

02:04:40.580 because india is like it's own there are different civilizations russian civilization

02:04:46.220 chinese civilization and indian civilization these are all distinct and the idea that they

02:04:52.260 could just like why don't they just become like one entity i always ask the same question i asked

02:04:57.680 this last time well why didn't they they've had all of human history to do it they could do it

02:05:03.480 right now why don't they and really what we're trying to answer is why don't they when when

02:05:08.560 everything else makes sense when it'll be militarily economically even culturally beneficial

02:05:15.680 why can't they do it well this seems to be an answer that is they're just at civilizational

02:05:21.600 odds sorry did i cut you off there or were you about to say something i all i was going to say

02:05:27.420 is it's it almost is like the exception that proves the rule i guess that bricks exists because

02:05:33.280 they're so different and they would never you know amalgamate into one civilization obviously

02:05:39.160 because of that but they will form these alliances to demonstrate their opposition or their their

02:05:46.760 position of like uh um of weakness in relation to the western reaction to the west that's the

02:05:55.100 only way they can ever work right so and and it's like in so that you can see it happening like

02:06:00.740 bricks only came about after the second world war in sorry after the cold war right so the cold war

02:06:07.340 ends america becomes the hegemon and suddenly you have things like bricks so you have these these

02:06:13.320 people who never looked each other in the eye in a thousand years suddenly are best trading buddies

02:06:18.220 so yeah but that proves how different they are right he's got this um this uh definition here

02:06:24.920 of a torn civilization this is what i'd like to talk about before we got to end this because

02:06:29.900 there's civilizations that once existed that no longer exist and then there's some civilizations

02:06:34.780 that seem like they're in the process of existing again like turkey like the fall of the ottoman

02:06:39.400 empire and the emergence of turkey and turkey is a fascinating example um there's a few key

02:06:46.020 examples of what we call a torn civilization turkey is one uh mexico would be one russia

02:06:53.940 would be one um a torn country requires

02:06:58.100 basically it's a civilization that once exists or can't exist so turkey you know

02:07:05.520 its internal conflict is between whether it wants to become like a western secular country

02:07:12.700 you know this is the the revolutions of atturk to try and modernize it or is it going to be an

02:07:17.780 islamic country and this is sort of the internal conflict that's happening right now and it doesn't

02:07:21.960 know what it wants to be just like japan for a period like it goes through what type of people

02:07:28.640 do you want to be how modern do you want to be and sometimes you know like for example turkey

02:07:34.760 maybe the islam takes over or maybe it doesn't but like it's torn between these two civilizations

02:07:42.000 in the process of becoming and one kind of has to win and that's the same thing with mexico in

02:07:47.440 mexico if you look at it it's so conflicted because mexico is in the process almost of

02:07:53.300 becoming mexico like it hasn't truly become what it's going to be yet that's why it's so chaotic

02:07:58.800 um and there's there's three components he says are required for a torn civilization to

02:08:08.640 re-civilize uh the main two of them being that the elite have to be on board and uh whatever

02:08:15.500 like the host country is because usually most of these countries they're in the orbit of another

02:08:20.040 civilization here's another one ukraine what is ukraine is ukraine a nation of ukrainians or is

02:08:28.000 it actually russians they can't agree and we talked about that with the history of ukraine

02:08:32.600 and i'm not trying to take a pro or anti-ukrainian stance but ukraine is a nation in the process of

02:08:37.740 becoming very very messily but um you actually you need like the elites of there to say we want

02:08:44.880 be a nation this was what happened to germany talk about this last episode the german nationalist

02:08:49.680 movement had the buy-in from the elites and the buy-in from the people and most importantly had

02:08:54.480 the buy-in from russia actually you need the the powerful countries around you to actually accept

02:09:00.560 that you become a civilization again and that's kind of where these torn countries are and germany

02:09:06.480 kind of slipped through and tricked those around and that was the german nationalist movement but

02:09:11.440 you know look what's happening in ukraine he's got two powerful uh core areas on either side of it

02:09:19.600 who don't agree about what ukraine should be and ukraine actually doesn't really have a say in it

02:09:26.640 that's what you're seeing there right now you're actually that does the war in ukraine that's

02:09:30.880 currently going on is almost like every single war that's been in ukraine which is that it's

02:09:35.600 caught between two civilizations on either side that can agree on what it should be and then i

02:09:41.700 think that's a different very very interesting way of looking at like a lot of these former

02:09:45.140 civilizations like the reason they they're not allowed to be civilizations is because

02:09:49.160 some bigger civilization says i don't i don't agree i don't think you should be one yet

02:09:54.540 that's kind of what happened with germany now like you know germany was quite literally

02:09:59.300 partitioned between two great powers like we don't we're not gonna let you be germans anymore

02:10:03.900 and they still they're not allowed to be germany anymore but they're still there just because

02:10:08.580 germans are so tough but the memory of germany is so strong rather

02:10:13.720 and this is also why he says islam struggles to be a civilization because islam if you look at it

02:10:22.280 doesn't have a central core power and every civilization for a civilization to be a civilization

02:10:27.720 needs a center of the power so the center of the power in the western you know sphere of influence

02:10:33.480 obviously would be america i don't think a lot of people would really disagree with that

02:10:37.700 this uh core entity in the east would probably be china not so much i think you make a better

02:10:44.900 case for china now the time of japan's kind of over the problem with the middle east even though

02:10:50.180 islam is so strong even though islam spread so effectively there actually is no core area of

02:10:57.220 islam now there could have at various points it could have been iran maybe it could have even been

02:11:03.340 iraq there's been contenders for like a core area but the problem is for a civilization it needs to

02:11:09.540 have the core area if it doesn't it kind of struggles to even exist it can't coordinate

02:11:14.520 itself really well so islam kind of spreads like a virus but it can never be like a true caliphate

02:11:20.820 it can but imagine if it did imagine if it did have a core area what that jihad might look like

02:11:26.480 it would be way way way more effective but that's why you know some people will try and define what

02:11:32.900 civilization is it needs that core area that everything kind of orbits around and in europe

02:11:38.280 for what you know you could have made the argument in europe it would have been britain for a while

02:11:41.360 but what is the core area in europe right now some people would lie and say some people will

02:11:48.600 say germany sure but really who controls germany you know who controls britain it's it's pretty

02:11:56.480 much america everyone knows that right so really this whole theory is giving words to what everyone

02:12:02.600 intuits every single day um which is that it's gay it's the gay it is the gay it's the gay um

02:12:13.840 and that's why when people say like after the cold war why does nato exist nato only exists to

02:12:20.340 contain russia you know like you see these broad geopolitical movements that suddenly make sense

02:12:26.560 once you see now and this is where some people might disagree with this whole premise that we

02:12:31.220 are in a civilizational paradigm but i think there's some truth to it i don't think it

02:12:37.720 supersedes heartland theory i don't think it moves beyond the geographic realities i think

02:12:44.180 there's still i don't think it really removes i ideology from everything and as we're going to get

02:12:49.060 to next few episodes how much more complicated this gets but i do think it explains a lot

02:12:56.400 about the world we're entering into and i do think there's something to be said about

02:13:03.240 the popularity of transnational identities gaining precedence over national identities

02:13:12.600 and that's important to think because i i do think uh and we could end on this and this will

02:13:18.600 be a controversial statement i think nationalism itself is falling out of favor and maybe that's

02:13:25.520 not controversial maybe that's obvious but you know even as you know as for example canada are

02:13:32.820 we trying to redefine what it is to be a canadian would we fight for canada as a nation state no

02:13:40.400 would we fight for canadians as an ethnic identity yes would that ethnic identity exist under the

02:13:47.420 umbrella of sort of a broad whiteness. Yes. But what we're seeing in the West is fewer and fewer

02:13:55.820 people who are willing to go to war for their nation states. There's fewer and fewer people

02:14:02.200 who have trust or faith in their national infrastructure. And I think if you were to

02:14:09.300 look around America right now, how many people are really willing to fight for the American

02:14:15.540 empire writ large black people won't hispanics won't they might say they will but what they're

02:14:22.540 fighting for is the space where they can be their ethnic identity this is why the american identity

02:14:27.660 has come to define just a space where your ethnicity is allowed to thrive except if you're

02:14:33.580 white but there there is no there's so few people who would actually go to war to defend

02:14:40.000 their state so this idea of the nation state exists it clearly it exists clearly it's still

02:14:47.080 relevant but we might be entering a more complicated world where the identities that

02:14:53.860 we are willing to fight for are no longer nationalist identities they are more broad

02:14:59.660 reaching and there's people on our side on the right who are poking around the edges of this

02:15:04.140 problem trying to define what are the limits of that because they're not national orders

02:15:10.620 they're client identities like there's a total division between like the the ownership or the

02:15:17.320 heritage of the empire and then the shareholders or like the stakeholders of the empire you know

02:15:21.600 what i mean like the people that are the current stakeholders are the ones that are requested to

02:15:25.320 fight for it it's not even really theirs it's so strange yeah and this this might be a problem

02:15:29.480 that's more pronounced in north america because we are not as old as a lot of these you know

02:15:35.360 scandinavian countries that can trace their lineages back centuries and centuries so it's

02:15:40.460 a different problem but i think even right now on the right as we talk about this we're trying

02:15:45.060 to negotiate the place of like the colonies in a larger anglo identity which is in relation

02:15:55.020 how does that relation fit to the european identity because we are aware it exists

02:16:00.440 and it doesn't seem that the things that people are willing to fight and die for

02:16:06.400 are no longer nation states and that's just from my perspective but i think

02:16:10.900 others would agree anyway it's the clash of civilizations remaking of world order uh i

02:16:18.080 i recommend the book there's a lot in here that i didn't get to talk about but

02:16:21.860 i hit the the broad points that i wanted to um did you have any sort of closing thoughts on that

02:16:27.520 no man that's that's an interesting one for sure all right we're going to revisit this as we go on

02:16:32.460 the next few episodes because we're going to go dive deeper and deeper into this but i think that

02:16:36.580 sets up a good nice pastiche of ideas anyway pastiche all right i'll talk to you later cool

02:16:44.920 man see ya there's a lot of people who are looking forward to this because you're a very

02:17:04.860 very popular figure on our side way more popular than me and once i once people heard that i was

02:17:10.240 getting Endeavor on they were jacked up and I'm here with Endeavor uh who is the primary writer

02:17:18.440 and sole writer of royalendeavor.substack.com I encourage everyone to go and check that out

02:17:23.740 you can find them on twitter at royal endeavor and that's endeavor with a u just for the yanks

02:17:29.940 out there and a lot of people know him from as the co-host of Morgoth and Endeavor's classic

02:17:36.620 movies um where you've got i don't know how many episodes like just around 30 episodes

02:17:41.880 yeah and that's probably the one of the more popular shows on our side so i just wanted to

02:17:47.240 say thank you for taking the time to sit down with me today endeavor no problem thank you for having

02:17:52.340 me now for those who don't know your story i find this stuff very very interesting um so just to

02:17:59.380 give people a brief introduction you are currently you're a canadian guy and i've been trying to get

02:18:04.320 more canadian talent on here recently but you're currently in russia would that be correct yes that

02:18:10.980 is correct that's a long story well if you if you care to go into it i'd um i'd love to hear it um

02:18:17.800 but uh because i was curious not only the story but you know kind of what guided you to there and

02:18:23.620 maybe your experiences as a canadian in russia because we you know we talk about russia a lot

02:18:29.100 on our side, obviously, due to the conflict in Ukraine, but I have yet to hear from someone

02:18:35.140 on the ground in Russia, you know, your perspective on global affairs. So please give us some

02:18:41.300 insight. Yeah. So basically I had started my channel about five years ago at this point,

02:18:48.040 five and a half years ago at the very end of 2017 is when I got into YouTube. Uh, and then

02:18:53.520 about a year and a half after I started. So at that point I was still living in Canada.

02:18:59.100 um about a year and a half after i had started youtube i wasn't really happy with uh the way

02:19:05.860 that things were going for me there uh i didn't really enjoy the work that i was doing i didn't

02:19:11.360 i didn't enjoy living in toronto i mean it's one of the most it's my hometown but it's one of the

02:19:17.000 most paused cities in the world and it's become transformed out of recognition and just so you

02:19:22.940 know um i lived in toronto for i think between five to seven years and we talked about toronto

02:19:27.620 quite a bit on the show as well when did you live there when did you live uh up until a few years

02:19:33.500 ago uh we moved out i'd say around three years ago i was there with my wife and we lived all over

02:19:38.980 toronto so we were on the east end west end right before we moved uh we were right down by saint

02:19:44.020 lawrence market and a condo building down there um we've got stories for days because you know the

02:19:49.860 city right so if you're downtown it sounds good to a lot of people living downtown but there's so

02:19:55.160 many homeless shelters downtown and there's so many like the parks are just overrun and that was

02:20:01.320 back then even worse now because i went back to visit uh just even last week and it has gotten

02:20:08.520 however you remember it i'm sure it's gotten if you can believe it 10 times worse yeah so uh what

02:20:14.840 part of canada do you i mean if you're not not to dox you but uh what part do you reside in now

02:20:20.280 uh i'm we're still in ontario i've lived in ontario various places in ontario my whole life

02:20:26.580 you know i'd uh previously in my life we'd lived in ottawa i'd lived in oshawa um primarily those

02:20:32.760 places um and and i was born in kingston ontario canada so kind of around that area my co-host

02:20:38.760 judas same thing we met in high school in out there in oshawa so kind of a steel town sort of

02:20:45.440 upbringing okay yeah so about my back to my uh story so yeah i was i was living in in toronto

02:20:52.680 until i turned about 24 and then that's when i decided to up and move to st petersburg russia

02:20:59.740 i know it's a pretty huge uh it was a pretty huge uh change uh but um i found uh i i was offered a

02:21:07.260 job here and then i decided to change spheres and then move all the way out here uh and i had been

02:21:14.740 here for about a year by the time uh covid kicked off and at that point i i nobody knew what was

02:21:22.580 going to happen yet nobody knew what was to come in the next the craziness of the next uh two and

02:21:27.640 a half years and of course not that i need to go into this now but uh it wasn't really because of

02:21:32.420 the virus itself it was more just the insanity of the policies which these governments around

02:21:37.080 the world enforced against people but uh i basically had it and i didn't know what was

02:21:42.460 going to happen beginning of 2020 i'd been in russia for almost a year at that point and i had

02:21:49.200 a choice well okay do i stay uh here or do i go back to canada and then i decided to stay uh and

02:21:56.620 turned out to be a good decision because uh well it was much uh it was it was a much it was much

02:22:04.300 better to be here than it was to be there at that time uh canada it was pretty horrible a pretty

02:22:10.060 horrible uh place to be during covet uh i and that's as an outsider i what i had i wasn't there

02:22:16.560 the entire time uh and then about two years later well uh the the war with ukraine started uh

02:22:26.360 beginning of 2022 and i mean i if you'd like i can get into that as well like uh i i don't know

02:22:32.360 i'm not somebody that's like that partisan on the issue i just consider it kind of it's not my

02:22:37.080 it's not my conflict it's not something that i feel like is something that i'm heavily invested

02:22:43.640 in well that's something my co-host he lived for around a decade he's canadian guy but he lived in

02:22:49.600 hong kong and he said very much it's a very similar thing where when there were political

02:22:55.260 uprisings he was there during those big hong kong protests yeah and he said he felt it wasn't his

02:23:01.240 fight so he kind of felt like even if he did have an opinion he felt like he shouldn't so it was

02:23:06.420 just it's interesting hearing that commonality there yeah so i again i was kind of uh put uh

02:23:12.640 struck with the decision and to be honest i it was easier at this point because uh again i didn't

02:23:18.580 know what was gonna happen but i decided to stay uh i didn't decide till i decided not to leave

02:23:23.680 uh which uh for most of the westerners who were here at the time most of them left at the beginning

02:23:29.660 of covid and then the few that came back after that almost all of them left as soon as the

02:23:34.840 conflict started but i decided to stay uh and i finally i finally got a chance to visit canada

02:23:41.040 this past holiday season so uh december january this past uh holiday this past year and beginning

02:23:48.820 of this year was the first time that i actually had the opportunity to go back to canada uh in

02:23:54.200 about three years and then uh i i returned here in january of this year so yeah and i mean that's

02:24:01.240 kind of the backstory of why I'm here and what I've been, uh, what I've been up to in the last,

02:24:06.560 uh, two, three years. If you, I mean, if you'd like to ask anything about what, what life is

02:24:10.440 like on the ground, I can, I can answer that. Yeah. I'd love to. I suppose the first broad

02:24:15.120 question I would ask is, um, how are you, you viewed as a Westerner there? I'm building that

02:24:20.500 off of the, what you had said, which is a lot of Westerners had left at the start of the conflict.

02:24:24.760 And as someone who has remained behind, um, are you treated any sort of way?

02:24:30.000 Not really.

02:24:31.160 I would say that most people still seem to be very positive towards me.

02:24:36.620 I only had, I'd say maybe one minor thing where I only had one kind of minor situation

02:24:44.460 and really nothing came of it.

02:24:46.140 So for the most part, everything has been fine.

02:24:50.800 There hasn't really been any issue with me being a Westerner, despite what you'll hear

02:24:55.020 And despite what you'll hear in the media, like my family in Canada was freaking, has been freaking out.

02:25:00.400 I mean, they've calmed down a bit, but it's certainly when this all started, they were pretty freaked out that I was still here.

02:25:07.460 But no, I mean, in that regard, it's been fine.

02:25:11.260 I have one question that you had just briefly mentioned there.

02:25:14.760 Do they see you as a Canadian or as a Westerner?

02:25:19.160 Meaning, do they draw any sort of delineation between types of Western?

02:25:22.120 Because this is something we're going to be, we talk about quite a bit in our show, how a lot of us, what we might call the West, are viewed as Western, whereas Canadians think, oh, we're treated as special.

02:25:32.920 But are you treated as just a Westerner?

02:25:37.460 Well, I'd say yes and no.

02:25:41.120 I mean, how much of a difference is there to a Russian between a Canadian and American?

02:25:48.920 Not all that much.

02:25:50.400 I mean, maybe like America and it kind of has a history of, you know, being more adversarial towards Russia.

02:25:57.380 But I mean, Canada and America have been basically buddy-buddy for the last, well, a couple of centuries.

02:26:03.860 So I'd say there's not like a major difference between like the way you'd be treated if you were Canadian versus American.

02:26:09.520 And maybe there is a bigger difference between, say, somebody who might be continental European from, say, France or Italy or somewhere like that.

02:26:20.580 But there are similarities. But then I wouldn't say it's like I wouldn't say that it's totally the same.

02:26:27.840 Well, it's interesting. The only reason I bring that up is because we're doing a little bit of a geopolitics arc on the show discussing.

02:26:34.400 we discussed john meersheimer in the past and offensive realism but we're getting into some of

02:26:38.700 the i think samuel huntington's um the clash of civilizations basically it's this idea that

02:26:44.640 westerners don't really see themselves as quote-unquote westerners whereas like the chinese

02:26:50.900 might or the middle east anyone in the middle east might but uh and that's more of like um

02:26:56.580 a powerful a power reality you know you know the west wouldn't see itself as an adversarial

02:27:03.480 empire whereas the rest of the world might i just it's interesting hearing how like someone on the

02:27:10.400 ground in russia would probably see you know where this is just one big western empire that's kind of

02:27:15.860 acting in unison does that sound accurate or is that just kind of a rambling bit of nonsense well

02:27:20.640 i mean that that's certainly the message that's coming out of uh the the russian government and

02:27:27.760 their ruling class uh would i say that that's necessarily accurate about the way that people

02:27:32.900 on the street perceive you i would say no i mean they do see you as a foreigner uh but you know

02:27:39.840 uh nobody is nobody is really like uh i haven't really had any issues with that nobody has seen

02:27:46.420 me as like being an enemy in any in any way other than one kind of minor thing which you know like

02:27:51.620 i mentioned nothing really came from it uh yeah yeah i don't know i mean on when it when it comes

02:27:58.360 to just the people on the street, it doesn't seem to be that big of a deal. They kind of think it's

02:28:03.780 cool that I'm there. A lot of people seem like, oh, well, what are you doing here? How did you

02:28:08.640 get here? They kind of find it more interesting than anything else. What's the view, in your

02:28:13.760 opinion, on the coverage of the Ukraine conflict? Because sometimes if I were to ever speak to a

02:28:19.100 Russian, they would say that the Western media's coverage is a bit more bombastic, a bit more

02:28:24.680 sensational like what's your from where you're standing how do you what do you think of our

02:28:29.980 coverage of the the war currently it does seem quite ridiculous uh and there is a problem though

02:28:37.700 that uh and and for this reason i to be honest i'm really not like the person to talk to about

02:28:42.720 the ins and outs of the russia ukraine conflict because i haven't despite being here i haven't

02:28:47.960 actually followed it that closely uh the problem you get is that every single source on the on the

02:28:54.640 issue is either partisan to one side or the other so the only thing they're gonna like so the the

02:29:00.180 pro-ukraine sources that that including the western media is only going to report things that are

02:29:05.420 that portray the war as being uh going in ukraine's favor whereas uh the pro-russian sources uh be it

02:29:13.580 from the russian government or from uh media media sources that are allied with them and the only

02:29:20.580 thing that they're going to report on is things that uh show russia in a positive light and show

02:29:24.500 that they're uh winning in the war but i will i would say that yeah from the uh uh doing because

02:29:31.780 i still get the western media i still get you know on your phone how you have that that like

02:29:37.920 news feed of all the uh news articles that your phone wants you to read i still get all of those

02:29:42.900 and a lot of them do kind of seem ridiculous you know you'll see ones that say well uh look at all

02:29:48.700 these like uh tanks which have been blown up and oh don't you know that they're all like fighting

02:29:53.720 using, like, weapons from 100 years ago or something.

02:29:58.320 I mean, that really does seem ridiculous.

02:30:00.820 I don't put that much stock in anything that the Western media says.

02:30:06.440 So on the issue, I follow a couple of these, like,

02:30:11.020 geopolitics telegram channels, ones that try to be a bit more neutral.

02:30:16.620 And I guess I'll just, like, take my stuff from there

02:30:19.780 because I don't really think that you can really trust much of that CNN.

02:30:23.720 saying about the whole thing and honestly anyone that says they have the 100 crystal clear read on

02:30:30.680 the situation is a liar because this war has been going on for quite some time and everyone i've

02:30:37.060 known who's ever made a prediction has been proven incorrect and that includes people on our side i

02:30:41.980 remember people want you to forget that there's a lot of people a year ago calling how this war

02:30:46.800 was going to go everyone was wrong everyone's got bad data so my position is i'm like i i guess we'll

02:30:53.600 see well oh yeah that's my position too because i mean i will be honest that i i did see it coming

02:31:01.460 uh up up until january of 2022 if you had asked me i'd say oh no i don't think i don't think so

02:31:09.180 i don't think anything's gonna happen i i don't think there's gonna be any conflict but uh well

02:31:14.280 i mean i i was wrong about that uh i couldn't read the situation even being here uh so you know

02:31:21.180 i i've i'm not someone i'm not one to make predictions on it because uh well first of all

02:31:27.700 i don't view it as uh something that's of uh i don't view it as my conflict in particular and

02:31:33.120 it is something i try to stay as as neutral and i try to stay out of as much as possible because

02:31:37.940 you know it is very dicey here it's very it is very uh it's a very hot topic and it's something

02:31:44.500 that extremely controversial very uh divided views on it and i kind of just try to stay out of it

02:31:50.820 Me too. Anytime, you know, people don't really ask it much anymore, but when people were at their peak of asking where you stood on it, I'd always give a very frustrating answer. I'd always, I'd try to give an answer that like pissed everyone else off because, you know, you know, full disclosure, half of my family is Ukrainian. I'm not like on the Ukrainian side, but I was dealing with like for a year people like every Ukrainian should fucking die.

02:32:13.760 and i'm like okay yep all right well let's we got that but then you know i'm not like a pro

02:32:21.260 ukraine guy either and so i would give a highly nuanced answer that would that was not as

02:32:28.180 sensational as people were expecting because like on our side on what you can broadly call the

02:32:32.700 dissident right i would say people are generally more pro-russian in the sense they are anti-nato

02:32:39.820 or anti-america that's more not everyone is but that is more common so they might default to being

02:32:45.700 pro-russia but they might not have a passionate reason that's why they just see russia pushing

02:32:51.400 back against gay invasion that's kind of how most people see it so to a lot of people it's a war

02:32:57.540 against homosexuality and of which russia is the main you know shield against yeah i don't know if

02:33:05.820 I, I don't know if I would necessarily see it like that, but it's, it's, it's, it's a very,

02:33:11.700 very us way of seeing things. Yeah. It's kind of, it's kind of simplistic and, you know, uh,

02:33:17.660 I would say that it's two factions who, you know, we don't have influence over and, you know, and

02:33:25.180 don't necessarily have the same political goals that we have in that we have. So, uh, it's one

02:33:31.520 that I don't think that there's that much in there. I don't think that there really is that

02:33:37.300 much at stake for us beyond, you know, the economic fallout and really just kind of hoping

02:33:43.680 that, you know, we don't want to see white people killing each other. So, you know, my, my, my stance

02:33:49.680 on it is that I really just hope for it to end as fast as possible and for the best outcome for

02:33:56.240 as many people that could possibly happen yeah i agree completely and uh you had recently published

02:34:03.380 an article and this is what got my attention and wanted to invite you on um it was an article on

02:34:09.120 your sub stack and the title of it was are canadian or more canadians red pilled per capita

02:34:15.580 and uh i was hoping you could talk a bit about that but i did want to mention in case we don't

02:34:20.780 cover it the impetus of this article was you uh this year attending a live event um it was hosted

02:34:29.000 and if you want to talk about that event specifically because we never met you on the

02:34:32.500 show but it sounded pretty interesting where you met these canadians yeah so uh do you know who

02:34:38.700 frody midyard is i do yes yeah so he's a he's a content creator as well he's from scandinavia

02:34:45.760 I think he's from originally the Faroe Islands

02:34:48.580 but he does this great

02:34:50.720 weekly show with Mark Webber

02:34:52.220 and he's done a lot of interviews

02:34:54.000 and then over the years he's organized

02:34:56.120 these conferences and he had the chance

02:34:58.560 to organize the first one

02:34:59.820 he's done since COVID

02:35:01.480 and that was in Tallinn, Estonia

02:35:04.480 which is

02:35:06.040 just like a short bus ride

02:35:08.520 it's about 7 hours by bus

02:35:10.360 from St. Petersburg

02:35:11.540 I didn't have to cross a border

02:35:13.040 but uh that was like uh a short trip for me uh and i thought well that's perfect i i i'd love to go

02:35:20.220 uh i'm a huge fan of his show and i'm also a huge fan of mark weber and predictor i think he's one

02:35:26.420 he's you know one of the most astute uh commentators and somebody who has been uh someone

02:35:32.040 who has been championing our cause for 50 years and someone i i respect and i i couldn't i couldn't

02:35:37.760 pass up the opportunity to meet him in person. So I made the bus trip from St. Petersburg to

02:35:43.440 Tallinn, Estonia, somewhere I had been several times already. But I always I absolutely love

02:35:50.460 Estonia and absolutely love Tallinn. And it's always a pleasure to visit. So we there at the

02:35:57.260 conference, there were about I'd say 60 to 70 people. And the amount of Canadians I think I

02:36:04.740 I counted about seven or eight. So, you know, we're, look,

02:36:09.060 we're talking about 10, 15% of the attendees were Canadian.

02:36:13.880 And you have to remember that's all the way over in Estonia,

02:36:17.320 pretty far from, pretty far from Canada. And, you know,

02:36:22.580 we're obviously there's a lot more Americans out there and a lot more

02:36:26.900 Brits out there and a lot of, and, you know, Canada is not the biggest,

02:36:30.500 it's a big country, but it's not the population wise.

02:36:33.080 it's not the biggest out there but you know we were very well represented at this conference

02:36:37.340 and not only that uh i think i met i think i met five other people from toronto who were expats

02:36:44.780 from toronto who had moved to europe uh and who are attending this conference just like me so

02:36:50.740 five others so like six people basically the same kind of story unbelievable uh and uh that just

02:36:58.500 got me thinking like there's a lot of canadians a lot of canadians here and you know some really

02:37:04.380 based people and you know everyone had the same story really everyone had the same story oh i'm

02:37:09.500 from toronto but you know the place is just it's just paused as hell and it's depressing and uh

02:37:15.520 i'm just kind of fed up with the diversity i'm fed up with all the political correctness i'm fed up

02:37:20.560 with the the high uh cost of living and i decided to go head off to what was it finland or a guy

02:37:27.980 went to slovakia one guy there uh went to hungary and me to uh st petersburg uh and that that seems

02:37:36.400 like that was something that was well well if this is anything to go off of maybe maybe it's

02:37:41.660 just a coincidence but it like there has to be something there if there's that many uh people

02:37:46.540 out of this small group there's that many people that had the pretty much the same story uh pretty

02:37:52.020 interesting um so that got me thinking because another thing i've noticed over the years is that

02:37:58.400 on a lot of forums all in a lot of comment sections uh back when i used discord i don't use

02:38:05.080 that platform anymore but you'd see canadians turning up uh it's seemingly in a disproportionate

02:38:11.420 in a disproportionate number. So on online platforms that people with our views congregate,

02:38:26.160 Canadians always seem to be very well represented, usually overrepresented.

02:38:31.280 And it got me thinking, is it possible that Canadians, that Canada actually has a higher

02:38:38.300 number of people who are, you know, red-pilled, so to say, in our sphere of politics than other

02:38:44.300 countries, like maybe in comparison to, say, the United States or the United Kingdom. I think that

02:38:49.360 there actually is a good possibility that that is true. Now, I don't really put much stock in what

02:38:54.840 the mainstream media says, but I did, I was able to find a couple of articles that even, you know,

02:39:01.660 from the perspective of the of the regime, saying that Canadians are overrepresented in spreading far right white supremacist views on the Internet.

02:39:12.640 And we all know that that means basically people who it means people who support who basically support white interests.

02:39:21.080 And it's interesting they use the word spreading as well, because I think they're latching on to that.

02:39:26.580 they're taking an active role in not only talking and posting but also larger content creation which

02:39:33.200 is a phenomena i've noticed before a lot of people have noticed this too so you saying this isn't

02:39:38.200 going to sound crazy to people you know we used to have a joke that there's only two types of people

02:39:42.640 online there's canadians and south americans it's the only two there's always tons of canadians like

02:39:48.560 on 4chan back in the day which seems strange given the the nation's size and population and

02:39:55.680 it's not globally known really as like an outspoken nation. And so it's running up against

02:40:02.140 these two realities, right? Well, not only that, but you'd also think that based on our politics

02:40:09.500 and based on our culture and kind of what's become Canadian identity, we're seen as being like a lot

02:40:14.920 more paused than the United States, for example. We're seen as being, I mean, Justin Trudeau,

02:40:20.780 our prime minister has basically become uh an icon of of of a country being cucked of a country

02:40:28.480 being paused and that certainly is the case in canada like a lot a lot of people say is that

02:40:33.600 canadians seem to be hopelessly liberal and uh just uh they you know it's kind of become part

02:40:39.260 of our identity that we're going to be more uh part of our identity is that we're more enthusiastic

02:40:46.920 about being replaced than Americans are.

02:40:50.240 And it would seem counterintuitive

02:40:52.640 if we've elected Trudeau how many times in a row?

02:40:56.160 Three, four times already.

02:40:58.740 While in the United States,

02:41:00.680 they elected Trump back in 2016.

02:41:02.960 It sounds counterintuitive to suggest

02:41:04.920 that there might be more based Canadians per capita.

02:41:09.860 But I think that what might explain that is,

02:41:12.860 first of all, the degree to which

02:41:16.000 the agenda is enforced in Canada. I mean, going back to how many people from Toronto I met at

02:41:20.800 that conference, they all had the same story. It was just like, I mean, I just couldn't take it

02:41:26.000 anymore. The pause, it was just driving me mad and I had to get out of here. And then also that

02:41:32.500 there doesn't really seem to be the same kind of controlled opposition that you see in other

02:41:37.300 countries. So in the United States, I mean, they have their fair share, every Western country at

02:41:42.860 this point has their fair share of pause but in the u.s they have people like tucker carlson or

02:41:49.280 donald trump or alex jones people like that that someone who's unhappy with the direction of the

02:41:55.100 country can they can go to that but they're really not gonna they're really not gonna get to the a

02:42:01.720 true a truly dissident position that it's whether whether you want to consider the uh carlson or

02:42:08.400 are alex jones to be cucks or whether you want to consider them to be deliberately uh trying to um

02:42:15.000 as this kind of pressure release valve deliberately trying to prevent people from

02:42:19.580 actually coming to the conclusions that they need to uh canada has a whole lot less of that than

02:42:25.080 the u.s or the united kingdom does we do have rebel media but i mean that's that just like

02:42:30.180 pales in comparison to something like fox news and the reach that tucker carlson has and uh

02:42:36.000 Yeah, so like people, I mean, my theory would be that if it is true that there are more Canadians who are in our sphere of politics per capita, it would probably be because they find their way here and not to the kind of pressure release valves.

02:42:49.880 I think that's a fantastic point. And it's something I was thinking about recently, because there's two things that cross my mind. One, it's that historically, Canada has had a lot of media literacy, very strong media literacy, because you go back to the likes of Marshall McLuhan and others.

02:43:06.000 That, you know, it might, we're not a towering figure in that sense, but more than a lot of European countries, like there's something about Canada, even going back to like the 70s and 80s, we were always into media. But then that point you were making is there's no towering, colossal figure for people to gather around.

02:43:26.540 I think that's significant because we actually can't have a pressure release. So rather than

02:43:31.620 having these colossal figure that you can become a fan of, like Alex Jones, because Alex Jones has

02:43:37.860 got like, what, 50 million fans, something crazy. And he's on the lower end of popularity, right?

02:43:43.380 We don't have that. So it forces a lot of regular people to kind of rise to a lower level, but

02:43:50.160 It's more decentralized. And this was, I remember growing up, you know, just anecdotally, I was

02:43:57.440 always into media. I'm sure you were as well. Movies, music, everything like that. And if you

02:44:01.540 wanted a career in that, the consensus was you had to go to the US. It was the same thing Americans

02:44:06.960 did. Go to LA, go to New York, if you want to be taken seriously, if you want to make it to that

02:44:12.060 level. But if you didn't, you had to really cobble, you had to rub two sticks together up here and

02:44:17.340 figure out how to make some kind of independent thing going which will never be as big but you

02:44:23.320 had all these sort of a wider array of people trying to rise up to something like a mid-level

02:44:30.500 but like it canadians are more trained to rub those two sticks together to make something work

02:44:37.100 so i think you'll get more people who are willing to become content creators than fans of content

02:44:44.820 creators. Now, does that sound like it makes any sense? Yeah, it does. And the other thing is that

02:44:50.660 they're more likely to come to the correct conclusions, because, you know, it's one thing

02:44:56.560 to be unhappy about the direction that Western society is going. It's another to actually

02:45:03.340 understand what's going on, and then actually being willing to embrace any realistic solutions

02:45:11.540 to that uh and you know say that in the position and you know say the united states you have this

02:45:17.500 kind of hyper partisan uh politics that's like on steroids it's ever present in people's lives

02:45:24.720 it's like this constant uh like uh trench warfare between the right and the left and you have

02:45:31.260 someone like donald trump running for president and you know it's a lot easier to see that to see

02:45:38.680 a solution within the system and kind of be given that false hope because there is no solution

02:45:44.220 within the system. Electing Trump again is going to be about as effective as it was electing him

02:45:49.000 the first time. But in Canada, I don't think that we have that kind of same, like there isn't this

02:46:01.140 like force that's really selling us this kind of false hope. Nobody thinks that by electing

02:46:07.940 pierre polyev then you know we're uh our our country is going to go back to something resembling

02:46:15.000 sanity i know that there's maxine bernier and to be honest i i actually have some good things to

02:46:19.820 say about maxine bernier i don't want to i don't want to uh tear the guy down entirely i thought

02:46:24.640 that he he actually uh he actually took a stand on a few issues and i'll commend him for that but

02:46:30.600 let's be honest like no no political solution is possible like the people's party is not going to

02:46:36.480 get, they're not going to get elected. And even if they were, you know, that's not going to turn

02:46:40.140 the country around. So I think that, uh, kind of the situation we're in, uh, people are a lot,

02:46:46.240 the reality is a lot clearer here that we are basically conquered and that we are basically

02:46:51.640 being ruled by decree by, uh, unelected powers who despise us that, I mean, that's like, therefore

02:46:57.840 that that's a lot easier to see. Whereas in the United States, the, the, uh, the illusion of

02:47:03.580 opposition within the system is still there yeah i think you raised a very good point there which is

02:47:08.640 that i think canadians have internalized that there is no political solution whereas in america

02:47:15.800 i think there's not for everyone obviously but for some people for a huge swathe of the population

02:47:21.040 they still think that if they elect the right person they'll find the right sledgehammer to

02:47:26.620 break the thing that they don't like but you know even people on the right here in canada like

02:47:31.160 find anyone who gives a shit about Pierre Polyev. No one likes, no one's excited about this guy.

02:47:37.500 You know, Maxime Bernier was probably the last guy who might've made people excited. I'm a lot

02:47:41.800 like you. I was one of the first guys to join the People's Party of Canada. But, you know,

02:47:46.380 there is no, I think there's more people in our situation who will agree, have fully internalized,

02:47:53.160 there's no magic guy we can elect to fix all this. So what now? So what solution do we create?

02:48:00.400 And we must tap into that creativity, frankly. And I think that's why Canada is pretty exciting. Perhaps the same thing can be said about Australia. I can't speak to them, but I look at Australia as very similar to Canada in a lot of respects and maybe even Ireland.

02:48:16.820 but you know i i think they're having a lot of the same conversations where they're like

02:48:21.420 we don't believe that they're we could even have a leader so what what do we do we gotta

02:48:26.860 create this sort of decentralized organism similar to our media apparatus and i think

02:48:33.180 the good news is some people will look at canada like it's small potatoes because we don't have

02:48:38.560 these colossal figures but that also means that you can't be taken for a ride that means that

02:48:43.300 because not everyone has faith in this one figure you know that's what i worry about with tucker

02:48:48.520 carlson i like tucker carlson but i'm like you know if he just changed his opinion a bit that

02:48:52.620 would probably change the opinion of like 50 million people you know like there you could

02:48:57.820 corrupt one guy that changes a lot of people way easier there's no one guy you can corrupt over

02:49:03.760 here you'd have to change the minds of like 50 000 people at the same time so like bad ideas take

02:49:09.740 hard it's harder for them to propagate here that's my opinion anyway yeah uh so i mean that

02:49:17.680 was kind of the theory that i had that basically uh they if it is in fact true because i don't

02:49:23.020 really have any hard data on it there is those like msm articles that those are to be believed

02:49:28.540 but uh it does i mean at least my anecdotal experience has been that canadians seem to be

02:49:34.680 overrepresented in our sphere even though on average they're more they're more liberal than

02:49:39.460 americans but in our sphere they seem to be overrepresented and that was kind of my theory

02:49:43.240 it's just probably because of the reality that like it how clear it is that we are basically

02:49:48.280 being ruled by this this kind of regime which hates us really yeah and we on previous interviews

02:49:55.160 and on previous episodes of the show we discussed canadian issues and we spoke to this really

02:50:01.160 interesting individual by the name of the black horse um and he was talking about the

02:50:06.260 geographic geopolitical issues of canada how it's more east versus west than a lot of people think

02:50:12.840 they think it's a liberal versus conservative but you should probably look at it geographically

02:50:16.980 and um in the past couple episodes um we were discussing the intrusion into canada

02:50:23.960 we across two episodes we talked about the intrusion of canada by the chinese communist

02:50:29.340 party and also the hong kong triads through the west coast and they're how they're both

02:50:35.300 working kind of hand in glove together to not only essentially control the entire fentanyl

02:50:41.940 trade in North America, but I'm sure you've heard this a hundred times before, but buy up

02:50:46.360 huge arrays of property all across the nation, which then allows them to influence politics as

02:50:52.860 well. So I think that's sort of a crowbar issue. That's where you can get a lot of liberals talking

02:50:59.960 about, you know, ethnic issues in a way that you might not even be able to see in America.

02:51:05.720 You know, once the liberal news admits that China's buying up Canada, that presents some

02:51:12.460 opportunities to discuss, you know, different sorts of ethnic issues that you might not have

02:51:17.680 been able to before. Yeah, I mean, it goes without saying, if you ever go to either Toronto or

02:51:25.700 vancouver i mean you you feel like you're in east asia not in north america what was your favorite

02:51:31.860 part of toronto because you you were born there and raised there like was there any section of

02:51:35.880 the city that you still feel homesick about um well i mean i'm i'm not from in the city itself

02:51:44.020 i'm from one of the i'm from i'm from one of the suburbs i'm from north york i would probably say

02:51:49.460 north york that would be it just because it's a place i grew up i still count that i like when

02:51:54.400 people start trying to count hamilton as the gta that's when i get pissed off okay so yeah uh north

02:51:59.780 north york and just because that's my uh that's kind of where i grew up so uh but i don't know

02:52:07.160 like i i i i don't find it pleasant spending time in in toronto at all uh like riding the bus

02:52:16.100 riding the the ttc the toronto transit is what truly one of the most uh depressing experiences

02:52:23.520 you can have as a canadian it's soul-sucking um and i don't know how it compares to something

02:52:29.140 like it's about as bad as i assume what india is when you see those videos of like indians

02:52:34.760 cramming into something i'm like it's pretty much the same in toronto and uh like even everyone's

02:52:41.660 like oh you're crazy to own a car in toronto i'm like you it is but i got a car because i hated

02:52:47.420 the bus that much yeah and you just it really for me like it really hammers home that well

02:52:55.080 the situation in the country that you know you're uh well i mean you you get on the bus and you'll

02:53:00.440 be the only white person on the bus yeah you'll be able to find uh everyone and people from

02:53:05.780 everywhere in the world except for canada yeah like i went recently because i get my hair cut

02:53:11.140 there i still go up to get my hair cut i'm very loyal like that but i'm just walking down by the

02:53:16.600 eaton center which is just a hub of fucking scum and villainy but it's just you're just being

02:53:22.180 glared at by somalis all day and i'm like this is who no one likes this and you know no one wants

02:53:28.220 to say what it is they don't like about it but like you're i'm seeing human shit for the first

02:53:33.640 time in my life that used to be a thing no canadian had to do seeing human shit on the

02:53:38.200 side of the road and everyone knows like homeless people when it's a one-off you know that's it's

02:53:45.020 like seeing a raccoon or a seagull in fact they're like seagulls you get one seagull and they're

02:53:50.740 fine you get four or more seagulls now you're on their turf now they're walking up to you they're

02:53:55.700 taking your bologna sandwich they're stealing your wife yeah so you've actually seen them like

02:54:01.460 defecating in the street yes i did last time i was there because i went there during the day like

02:54:06.000 after covid um like tent cities really took over before i left toronto we had already relinquished

02:54:12.920 all of the parks and there's just needle exchange programs everywhere but now um like once things

02:54:18.320 become a homeless camp all bets are off it's just it's madness it's screaming it's guys walking

02:54:25.020 like fuck i you know i tell stories people they think i'm making it up they think i'm making up

02:54:29.420 that there's a naked guy walking down the street in the middle of the day just screaming and they

02:54:34.960 think oh no he's watched too many falling down type of movies like no you have that's a real

02:54:40.900 thing that I have I go to the gas station with my wife I need to get into a physical altercation

02:54:46.600 with the Somali guy who's accosting my wife and these are real things and then I know what we

02:54:53.280 don't really have this in Canada but it's a personality type that you would see in New York

02:54:58.200 the type and they're usually white people white people and Jewish people who like they're so used

02:55:05.020 to living in these hubs of madness

02:55:08.040 that they get an affection for it,

02:55:10.620 especially if they've lived there their whole lives.

02:55:13.180 Like the archetype of like the 55-year-old Jewish woman.

02:55:18.680 There's a store that I always go to in Toronto

02:55:21.200 right by the Eaton Centre.

02:55:23.120 It's called BMV.

02:55:25.100 So like this leftist-leaning bookstore,

02:55:27.040 but sometimes they get good books.

02:55:28.720 But it's run by one of those like aging Jewish women

02:55:31.700 who wants black people to like her so much.

02:55:35.020 And she's like, look around. It's like a lot of police out today. I'm like, why do you say police? You're a 65 year old Jewish woman. I keep upping her age every time I bring it up. But I'm like, it's that person where they like the dirt. They think it's more authentic. They like hearing sirens. And like, if you get your bike stolen, they'll act like you're an idiot for caring about it. That I don't know what to do with that type of personality. That that makes me angrier than anything else.

02:56:01.620 like they wear they wear their hardships in these environments as a badge of honor and i'm seeing

02:56:09.000 more and more people like that even in canada especially white people like the fact that it

02:56:13.720 sucks is good and that the fact that it sucks brings us closer together and that's sort of this

02:56:18.740 i don't know like a soft third worldism that i see bubbling up beneath the surface i don't know

02:56:25.240 if you've seen that you probably don't have that in russia but you get it a lot here well i don't

02:56:31.500 know i mean there are uh i i did know a lot of i did know a lot of libtards that live there but

02:56:38.500 i mean it has been a couple years since i've visited recently but it has been a couple of

02:56:43.240 years since i've lived there full time uh and you know from this from the way from the way that it

02:56:50.020 looks and from what i've heard it does seem to have deteriorated a lot since since i was there

02:56:54.840 so like i didn't see people defecating on the street and like uh homeless tents everywhere i

02:56:59.100 I mean, they were homeless, but they hadn't taken over portions of the cities.

02:57:03.580 But it does seem that since COVID, Toronto has gotten a lot worse.

02:57:08.580 Yeah.

02:57:08.960 And, you know, some people don't like when I bring that up because like, oh, that's the people down on their luck.

02:57:13.720 But I'm sure you'll agree you have to fall through a lot of floors in Canada before you become homeless.

02:57:20.340 So and a lot of them aren't.

02:57:22.000 They're like, oh, these white people out of work.

02:57:23.740 Not really.

02:57:24.820 There's fewer white homeless people than ever before.

02:57:27.400 it's just it's just you're starting to see like asian homeless people which you never used to

02:57:32.180 see before so i'm like these are like refugees these are new people these are people who just

02:57:36.640 got here yesterday and i don't like it's the same thing in america where you see people fleeing

02:57:42.620 these areas and i don't know i flee there's not a lot of places to flee to in canada except of

02:57:48.760 like these small towns which i guess will become overrun eventually it's not as bad as uh the uk

02:57:54.900 yet where they're just placing them in small towns but yeah yeah so in is there any sense

02:58:05.040 where you are in russia of this demographic issue like is that brought up in the news and the media

02:58:12.320 at all as as some a uniquely western problem or is that is that something mainly we talk about do

02:58:18.020 thing? Well, in the news media here, not so much. But in terms of like the people you talk to,

02:58:29.040 yes, because I mean, while it's not nearly as the numbers aren't nearly as big as it is in

02:58:35.500 in Western Europe and North America, I mean, they do have an issue in Russia with migration

02:58:41.400 from central asia um and one thing is that people speak a lot more frankly about the issue of

02:58:49.000 immigration so like for example uh there's a schoolyard where i go uh i often go for a run

02:58:55.280 they have a track with a and a soccer field there and one thing you'll see is that you'll either see

02:59:01.960 russians playing soccer or you'll see a bunch of guys from like uzbekistan or turkmanistan or

02:59:06.820 wherever they're from uh playing soccer and they they never play together so you'll either see all

02:59:11.920 of one or all of the other um and and that's something that that people are a lot more frank

02:59:17.300 about so uh you can just say like yeah i mean you notice that there's like a lot of uh uh tajik guys

02:59:24.620 uh here that's something you can just you can just bring it you can just bring it up it's not

02:59:28.780 it's not taboo it's not taboo socially uh to bring it up i mean you'll find a few libtards here and

02:59:35.580 there, but most people think, yeah, that it's really kind of not so pleasant to have that many

02:59:40.260 around. And, but I should also emphasize that St. Petersburg is still, I'd say 90 to 95% white.

02:59:47.520 So it's not nearly to the extent of, uh, Western countries, but, um, you know, people still are

02:59:54.680 conscious of, of migration and of ethnicity and things like that. Um, and then if you're talking

03:00:01.300 about what's going on in the west uh you can say you can just flat out say to people yeah i don't

03:00:06.400 really want to go to paris it's basically just full of africans now uh there are no french people

03:00:11.380 there and a lot of people will say oh yeah yeah you're right you're right about that in fact like

03:00:16.280 one woman i i had uh who was actually a client of of mine basically said that um it was kind of

03:00:22.340 funny because it wasn't like she was somebody who uh was tuned into our sphere of politics or like

03:00:27.900 watched any of our videos or anything like that but she flat out just said to me that she didn't

03:00:31.620 want to go to on a vacation to paris because she thought there would be too many africans

03:00:36.200 yeah well i've had to say that to my wife too because you know like 99.9 percent of women

03:00:42.440 on earth want to go to paris yeah and it's up to every guy to break it to like it's not what you

03:00:49.000 think yeah we can go but like wear a vest wear a bulletproof vest and a rape proof pants

03:00:57.480 yeah like another thing she said though was because she worked for an i forget what company

03:01:01.560 it was but she worked for an american company and uh like i hadn't been like you know pushing the uh

03:01:07.740 the i hadn't been pushing the race race issue with her that much so it's not like i'd saw it's

03:01:12.200 not like something that i had been like constantly talking about she just flat out said to me that

03:01:16.340 like when the when the american executive came she hopes she said i hope he's not i hope he's white

03:01:21.420 she even said she hopes that he isn't black because if they watch american movies or tv

03:01:30.240 they would think like 50 of american executives are black yes i even said to her well well he's

03:01:35.660 an executive so he probably isn't black but uh there was another woman and she actually

03:01:42.560 another client that we had that uh and she and like this was at work that she said that she just

03:01:47.320 said this like straight out in her company and again she was like some i'd say like you know

03:01:52.240 early 30s kind of like uh she was a mom some uh kind of like what you think of as a soccer mom

03:01:58.460 or something like that and one thing she like we were talking about movies but i wasn't like again

03:02:02.840 i wasn't like pushing the issue i wasn't like pushing the base stuff too hard and i said like

03:02:07.740 do you guys i were talking i was talking about like the portrayal of russia and movies i said

03:02:11.500 do you guys think that that russia is kind of not portrayed very fairly in movies you think it's

03:02:16.220 kind of propaganda and what she said i mean this and this was only a couple of this was only like

03:02:21.800 a week or two after i moved here so it it floored me when i heard it but what she said was i think

03:02:27.140 that they used to make propaganda movies about russia but now it's all just propaganda about

03:02:32.260 gays and black people well it's interesting because i'm always wondering i'm biased towards

03:02:39.660 the things we say over here because we're in the thick of it we're surrounded by it all the time

03:02:43.880 And I'm always curious to see if places elsewhere in the world, A, if they have the same opinion and B, if they think it's a problem where they are, because I'd always wondered if, for example, in Russia, if they see like the spread of homosexual acceptance around the world as being pioneered by the West or if it's just this strange phenomena that's occurring on its own.

03:03:11.340 And I use that because, especially on our side, the LGB, it's also it's Pride Month, obviously.

03:03:17.440 In Canada, it's Pride season.

03:03:18.860 We actually have three months of Pride for people who don't know that.

03:03:21.300 And that's official, by the way.

03:03:24.060 There's this sense that, you know, the LGBT movement is the tip of the spear of Western

03:03:30.320 cultural imperialism.

03:03:32.040 I'm wondering, is that a popular viewpoint where you are?

03:03:36.400 Or is sort of like this gay phenomenon sort of seen as this just virus that's just springing up on its own?

03:03:44.340 No, they do view that as being a Western phenomenon, like being pushed by the West.

03:03:50.020 Like the way that the word Europe is pronounced in Russian, it's kind of like Europa.

03:03:57.420 But then what they do is that it doesn't really make sense in English, but they have like a slang.

03:04:01.580 They'll say Europa, like saying like gay Europe.

03:04:06.400 what it sounds like in english too yeah so it's like uh it's it's it would be like if if you said

03:04:13.400 like uh if it would be like if it if it was like a and then you'd probably say gay so it's like

03:04:18.840 it doesn't really sound that way in europe in english but in russian it does sound like it's

03:04:23.160 like gay europe yeah um and that we have the similar thing here it's uh the ga the global

03:04:31.180 american empire which is called the gay but that's the thing yeah it is interesting because um some

03:04:38.080 people will say that you know like in china they'll say there's all these like gay people

03:04:42.660 now that it used to be so there's this idea that maybe it's this generative thing in some sense or

03:04:48.380 or just you know hooked into the general birth rate dropping in some of these countries like

03:04:55.460 maybe it's that um mouse utopia experiment happening on an overpopulated world i can't

03:05:01.460 say for sure but you know where i'm standing in canada this does seem like the gayest place on

03:05:08.020 earth by law i don't know it's mandatory by law and you had uh i know we have to get going soon

03:05:15.820 but you had had a another article on your substack about woke capital and generally when people say

03:05:23.360 woke capital it's mostly gay capital you know the the wokeness really just means lgbt it's not so

03:05:30.540 much about black as much anymore but like gay is front and center it's rainbows it's trannies

03:05:37.120 um and i was wondering if you wanted to briefly summarize your position on woke capital since i

03:05:44.100 think that's probably a good way to to cap what we were just talking about well i would have to

03:05:48.880 disagree a bit that i do think that the race stuff is pretty prominent in it as well i mean

03:05:54.120 during the the lgbt month yeah they they uh it's more of that but but even then like uh and i wrote

03:06:00.840 an article about about this as well but uh when they have that flag now the the flag that they

03:06:06.400 update it to is the one with that arrow on it with the brown and black stripes so i do think that i

03:06:11.900 do think that the race stuff is pretty prominent in that as well that's one of those things that

03:06:15.500 our side would make fun of it's like oh look being black is being gay and we laugh about it but the

03:06:20.320 rest of the like black people don't see it that way gay people don't see it that way so it's like

03:06:24.180 the things that we would think are plainly on their face like a parody they just don't see as

03:06:30.360 a parody i think that's frustrating to a lot of people yeah but okay so basically i uh at least

03:06:35.740 my first article about woke capital which i turned into a video uh it was revisiting my theory about

03:06:42.720 it from three years ago from 2020 so i i mean i made a video back in 2020 which became my most

03:06:50.020 viewed video ever where i basically theorized i tried to think like you know what what is the

03:06:55.340 why is it that all these companies are posting this are uh so relentlessly pushing woke politics

03:07:01.560 and i made this during the blm craze in 2020 uh and i the theory the conclusion i came to in that

03:07:08.860 video back in 2020 was that it was about money. It was about creating the consumer society,

03:07:16.480 trying to make a consumer class whose entire identity is about the products that they buy

03:07:23.640 and that's all they live for. And that it was primarily about money because I was functioning

03:07:29.260 under the assumption that the goal of corporations is to make money. And the recent article and then

03:07:37.080 video that i made about that is um i'm basically revising that uh theory because i've since

03:07:45.480 changed my views i don't think that that money is the primary goal but behind woke capital in fact

03:07:52.020 i don't think it's the goal at all because uh it's because it's not profitable uh and what i

03:07:57.180 talked about in that in that article and video is first of all how the pandemic showed us that

03:08:01.740 the elites just simply do not care about the economy. They're perfectly happy to devastate

03:08:09.160 the economy if it advances other causes that they're interested in. And secondly, I talked

03:08:15.620 about things like ESG and this sustainable development agenda. And then the other thing

03:08:23.620 that's tied in with that is the philosophy of shareholder capital versus stakeholder capitalism.

03:08:29.200 uh i mean the the the traditional one shareholder capitalism is what uh it means like that the

03:08:37.000 goal of a corporation is to make money whereas the philosophy of shareholder capital oh sorry

03:08:42.220 of stakeholder capitalism uh there's what they say is that well it's about uh creating the best

03:08:48.420 outcome for all the stakeholders meaning uh the societal well-being and what what that actually

03:08:54.800 is is it is uh wokeism so like uh wokeism is is baked into the cake with that it's pushing

03:09:01.380 political uh and social engineering that that's kind of the idea of shareholder capital sorry

03:09:08.300 of stakeholder capitalism that the the goal should be social change and not being in the

03:09:14.340 in the horrible directions that we all uh complain about on the internet uh so that was the that was

03:09:21.060 basically it was me revising the uh theory that i had come up with in uh 2020 that i think that

03:09:27.560 really uh to understand the phenomenon it's really not about money it's more about uh kind of pushing

03:09:34.160 this social engineering uh project to i think really like uh like uh turn the west like into uh

03:09:43.060 basically third world basically uh downgrade the west to the on to be on par with the rest of the

03:09:49.140 world. And I think that if you look at things like the climate change agenda and the policies

03:09:54.420 being proposed, they do go hand in hand. There is a large overlap between the two and that both

03:10:00.680 and both, you know, the climate policies and the woke stuff is also part of Agenda 2030. So that's

03:10:08.040 what the article was about. Yeah. And the more I think about it, because we've talked about this

03:10:12.480 on the show before, the environmental aspect, especially in ESG, kind of gets shuffled to the

03:10:18.340 background and people really focus on a lot of the social stuff. But the more I think about it,

03:10:24.600 the more these issues kind of coalesce under the umbrella of environmentalism in the form of

03:10:29.980 population reduction. Some people think, oh, here he goes with his kooky ideas. But hear me out.

03:10:37.220 Being in Canada on the ground floor of a lot of this, one issue that is very, very popular,

03:10:44.260 especially in the news right now, is MAID, medical assistance in dying, and whether or not people

03:10:51.580 can elect to commit suicide with the assistance of doctors and with the government. The controversy

03:10:58.820 is how much this is being pushed on people who don't have terminal illnesses, but who are

03:11:04.860 living in poverty or children who are confused. There could be a lot of reasons, and they can

03:11:10.820 pass that off as, oh, this person was contacted improperly. But, you know, why not? Why not

03:11:16.840 expand elective suicide to those who are suffering psychologically? So when you talk, we talk about

03:11:23.120 Will Capital, we talk about, you know, one thing we brought up before is white males especially

03:11:29.140 tend to be treated as troublemakers. And I think that's why the media is so aligned against them.

03:11:35.740 And you see this with not only things like January 6th, but also the trucker protests. It seems that

03:11:40.420 any and all anti-COVID stuff. It was majority white guys, frankly. And so if you were a government,

03:11:49.520 a modern government, you would say, who are the troublemakers in society? If you look at the data,

03:11:53.940 well, it's usually white guys. We got to do something against them. And really, a lot of

03:11:59.740 people are like, why would they be doing this? They don't need to necessarily target white guys.

03:12:04.280 They filter for troublemakers that it tends to be white guys. But if you're trying to create

03:12:09.720 a population that is less troublesome you would probably create you know paradigms and create

03:12:16.560 processes that you know target those people and you know with made you're trying to like

03:12:22.800 what they would prefer is a population like you had said with the whole consumer identity the

03:12:29.140 only the only identities if you look the only identities that are approved by the government

03:12:34.660 are consumer-based identities or genderqueer identities.

03:12:39.400 You're not allowed to really like a gender identity,

03:12:41.420 except genderqueer, except this grab bag of stuff you make up.

03:12:46.100 That's what's being proposed by the government.

03:12:48.000 That is the system-approved identity you're allowed.

03:12:50.980 And what is the system-approved identity

03:12:52.840 is a mentally ill identity,

03:12:54.800 which would imply that what they want

03:12:56.840 is a weak, mentally ill population.

03:13:00.480 Why? Maybe not.

03:13:01.860 Some people are like, where's the document that says that?

03:13:04.660 It's like, well, it's just it's easier. It's less troublesome. It's less violent. It's less, you know, it's easier if people think they're all various shades of queer and arguing about what's on Netflix. That's what it is. Yeah. Sorry. Continue.

03:13:19.640 well yeah but i mean it's also you also have to think about things about how this plays into say

03:13:25.920 transhumanism so uh if that's going to be if that's going to be an agenda that we see in the

03:13:31.780 future uh this kind of identity the idea that identity is something that's just purely

03:13:37.460 malleable that you can just be whatever you feel what you are just whatever you feel like at any

03:13:44.060 given moment and who is anyone to say otherwise i mean that that leads pretty uh that that that

03:13:50.280 transitions no pun intended or perhaps pun intended uh quite well into you know just

03:13:56.280 into people who are not fully human being uh viewed as um as as legitimate beings and like

03:14:05.000 emerging humanity with uh machines now we're getting a bit far i think that is a bit

03:14:09.900 far ahead. I don't think that that's, you know, it's not happening at the moment, but you could

03:14:16.960 see that on the cards in the coming future. The other thing I would also add is, yes, I do agree

03:14:23.640 that they do want to get rid of the troublemakers, people of European descent, white people are the

03:14:28.720 ones who are most likely to oppose this tyranny, especially men as well, that we are a troublesome

03:14:37.380 population uh population when you look at the third world uh it's all it's basically small

03:14:43.400 ruling classes who uh are extremely rich ruling over people a big mass of people who are dirt

03:14:49.900 poor and have no capability of actually rising up against them in any way so that i mean there's

03:14:56.180 that there's that element but i also think it's important to remember that there's also this kind

03:15:00.840 of like uh deep deep like ethnic uh hostility that is behind a lot of this so for example like

03:15:08.640 a large portion of the ruling class is jewish and they have this uh this like deeply held hate

03:15:15.500 hatred for white people based on their perceived uh historic uh based on their perceived historical

03:15:22.880 um i don't want to say i don't want to say oppression uh historical grievances that they

03:15:28.740 Yeah. No, we've talked about that on the show before, that at the center of the Jewish identity is a unique hostility towards the European people.

03:15:38.620 And I think a lot of the times, and we've covered a lot of Jewish books in that sense, where they openly admit to this.

03:15:44.280 They openly say, like, we've had a bad history with Europeans, so we need to treat them as a group that must be broken up for our own survival.

03:15:53.360 That's what they'll say.

03:15:54.700 Yes. I mean, that's a major element.

03:15:57.100 That's right. I don't want people to think I'm being soft on that either. Thank you for bringing that up. I was about to get into, I might sound like a shitlib at the end of this, but that is true.

03:16:05.640 And then, you know, you also have to consider that a lot. Now you have a situation where there's a lot of, as a result of kind of these policies, a lot of non-whites are now rising to positions of authority and positions of rising into the elite in Western countries.

03:16:21.360 And a lot of them, you know, whether it's because they whether it's for the sake of their own ethnic interest or because, you know, due to the media, they've now been instilled with this own kind of sense of of grievance against us.

03:16:35.680 Now, many of them have adopted this.

03:16:37.760 You know, it's kind of funny that if you go to somewhere in Asia, they actually kind of like white people.

03:16:43.740 But then once they come to the West, now they begin to hate us.

03:16:47.660 That is true.

03:16:48.220 um yeah there's not you know we can talk all day about what to do about that i don't want to get

03:16:55.440 anyone in trouble here but it's probably stuff you've talked about before um and i like to remind

03:17:00.660 people that a lot of the problems that we're facing it's an intersection of many other problems

03:17:05.240 just to wrap up the point i was making before before we have to go um my own little kooky theory

03:17:10.480 uh what i was essentially trying to say was a population that is not necessarily interested

03:17:17.120 in breeding would be a desirable population for them because they can control that better.

03:17:21.440 So if you are sort of a confused, the way I looked at it before is like, it's well known

03:17:26.600 that the birth rates in the West are falling. And governments tend to be pretty good at addressing

03:17:32.940 things they think are a problem. So for whatever reason, it seems to be inarguable that they don't

03:17:38.140 seem to think falling birth rates in the West are a problem. So no matter what, we have to keep that

03:17:44.200 in our minds that they're not interested in any way in increasing the birth rate they might be

03:17:48.880 more interested in driving it down and creating an environment where you know people don't have

03:17:54.520 kids if they're busy and this is where here and here's where it gets really crazy i just want to

03:17:58.340 put this on the record one conspiracy you can look at is that if transhumanism is inevitable

03:18:05.580 because it might be on a long enough timeline that might be the future that we're hurtling towards

03:18:10.980 And it's what we do about that. If they can instill in its population the desire not to be a Superman over the course of generations, if you grant a population the ability to edit its own genes, if you've instilled in them the desire that they don't want to make perfect genes, they actually want to be inferior.

03:18:31.380 that would solve the problem for the governments of out of control gene editing making too

03:18:37.340 intelligent or to people who want to reproduce too much they might be looking ahead and planning to

03:18:43.060 make it so people want to gene edit themselves into this sort of queer inferiority now that's a

03:18:48.800 that's a kooky one but i think that's something worth talking about too

03:18:53.220 well i don't know about that uh yeah that's something that you got you it's looking pretty

03:19:00.320 far into the future i again i don't know uh i'm not someone who knows genetics i don't know

03:19:05.480 gene editing or anything like that so i'm not going to claim to uh to be well versed on that

03:19:11.000 one uh but yeah i i do think that like you can see that where they'd be going with the transhumanism

03:19:18.220 especially when you consider the uh the climate agenda and how that by design is going to

03:19:25.480 drastically reduced the quality of life of regular people you know i it does seem like transhumanism

03:19:31.060 is is possibly something that can be brought in to uh basically make up for the fact that the life

03:19:38.120 that they have planned for you is basically miserable it's it's it's going to be you living

03:19:42.360 in your 15 minute city with you know the meme now the the in the in the pod eating the bugs

03:19:47.980 uh transhumanism kind of seems like something that they can bring in in order to say well you know

03:19:53.680 your actual life now is trash. But well, here's this transhumanism where you can plug your mind

03:20:00.380 into a computer and upload yourself into the internet or whatever it is that they want to do

03:20:05.240 with that. Yeah. Imagine the crazy conversation because people think of gene editing and

03:20:09.440 transhumanism of augmenting their body to make a more perfect entity. But let's say you're a parent

03:20:15.760 10 generations in the future and the gene editing you're offered is, you know, your son will have a

03:20:22.640 better shot at life if you tweak his dna so he has to eat less wouldn't that be good like you're

03:20:28.900 actually you've convinced the population to almost devolve in in a by selling them that that's

03:20:36.500 superior evolution that's a kind of a science fiction story perhaps but you know i think it's

03:20:43.800 important people think like this because hey if we can think like this maybe someone up there

03:20:47.100 thought of it too that's like the worst case scenario where it's you're not living in a cool

03:20:52.020 cyberpunk world anymore you're actually gene editing your kids to make them small you're

03:20:56.680 making them into rat people because like well that's that's that increases their chance of

03:21:01.140 survival doesn't it i mean to be fair i actually don't think a lot of this stuff is going to happen

03:21:07.260 because i i just have a hard time when you look at at the just how ambitious something like

03:21:13.880 agenda 2030 is and the degree to which it will basically require them to restructure

03:21:20.740 all of society and how it pretty much requires uh like absolute surveillance of every aspect of

03:21:28.340 people's lives and to hook every single tiny detail of people's lives up into a grid i have

03:21:34.020 my doubts of whether or not any of this stuff is actually going to work uh well i think you know

03:21:39.960 the problem is though that uh they're gonna try and well what what happens what what happens when

03:21:47.120 when it doesn't work i mean that's uh yeah i i will say probably the best argument against the

03:21:53.960 sort of alternate matrix reality is that vr really hasn't taken off like they thought it would

03:22:00.700 yes anytime people are given the chance to really live in this dystopian future i remember a google

03:22:06.600 glass coming out like 10 years ago and that was supposed to be revolutionary none of this stuff

03:22:10.840 really seems to take off even with the money to demographic that it's supposed to be targeting so

03:22:16.500 there's something in there that gives me a bit of hope well just look at the metaverse like if

03:22:21.220 you remember this was uh announced less than two less than two years ago i think it was uh late 20

03:22:27.780 mid late 2021 when the metaverse was being launched and we were all coming out with our

03:22:33.720 talking points that like this is going to be people hooked up to these headsets sitting in

03:22:38.720 these giant towers of glass and steel living their lives in this virtual reality that thing's been

03:22:44.520 that thing's been a total failure uh they're shutting like meta the company facebook they're

03:22:50.900 they're basically abandoning that project because it's just been in the complete disaster they

03:22:56.080 haven't been able they put billions upon billions into that yeah i think it's up in the up in the

03:23:00.760 hundreds of billions and it's just been a total loss for them so i mean it that that is a white

03:23:06.280 i mean it could be a white pill in one way that uh people are it could possibly mean that people

03:23:12.020 want a more authentic life and they're not they're kind of getting exhausted with all this

03:23:16.140 technology or it could just mean that you know they can't be bothered because they have like the

03:23:20.780 the 30 second long tiktok videos to keep them occupied and and and that's what they're spending

03:23:27.260 their time yeah it's it's the dumb shit that seems to work and me i tend to be pretty early

03:23:33.180 interested in this stuff and i was big into the metaverse because i'm like okay this is an

03:23:38.400 experiment to see if they can introduce real value into a digital space kind of like the nft

03:23:45.600 revolution that we saw like this will be interesting if they can actually make the

03:23:50.080 digital space more real i'm like this there's all kinds of crazy shit that could happen

03:23:54.000 and it just flopped and i was surprised at how open meta was of its failure because the moment

03:24:00.180 mark zuckerberg got up in front of the shareholders and said i'm sorry i played this one wrong i'm

03:24:05.700 like, oh, it's dead. If he had gotten up there and actually owned it and said, we got to stay

03:24:09.620 the course on this, we have infinity dollars we can invest. But when he stepped back, I said,

03:24:15.300 oh, this is just dead. And if I'm being honest, I think crypto generally, and I was big into

03:24:21.340 Bitcoin way, way, way back in the day, it didn't take off as fast and as big. It's still kind of

03:24:27.480 a mess. We're still figuring it out. The power brokers are still trying to figure out what to

03:24:32.820 do with it like we're still figuring out a lot of this stuff that in our dystopian fantasies

03:24:39.580 should have been dystopian by now so the fact that everything hasn't come crashing down like

03:24:44.660 that's kind of a white pill if you want to call it that uh well yeah i mean uh when you when you

03:24:51.680 when you look at uh i mean i'm not i'm not a big person into crypto but yeah with something like

03:24:58.320 the metaverse it was just a total failure i mean it the the actual footage that i watched of it

03:25:04.860 it looked like a video game from 2004 it looked like shit i don't know i'm like you guys could

03:25:10.100 have made it look better but you chose not it's an n64 game if you look at it i'm like

03:25:14.280 it's a lot of puzzling decisions made they couldn't even they couldn't even animate legs for

03:25:20.940 the for the avatars yeah i'm like but you you guys could have like i don't know why they've

03:25:26.440 made that made those decisions and i'd like to really unpack that at some point in the future

03:25:31.180 what the fuck happened in the metaverse because you don't lose 200 billion dollars or whatever it

03:25:35.920 was a trillion dollars without a story there who because i don't think anyone got fired someone

03:25:41.820 so is this a giant money laundering scheme what the fuck happened with this thing that was supposed

03:25:47.000 to any revolution that doesn't take off i want to know the story about why it didn't take off

03:25:51.180 right when it seemed when it had no limit of resources to take off you know

03:25:55.920 because i was i was trying to get us i was trying to get our guys involved i'm like okay this might

03:26:00.840 be a new platform for a bunch of young right-wing guys to stake a claim because i i was getting

03:26:07.640 excited but i'm like every time a new platform launches there's this glorious window of time

03:26:12.360 where the corporations aren't there yet and all their money doesn't fucking matter and a lot of

03:26:17.100 scrappy small guys can actually make a big wave and tiktok was kind of like that too

03:26:22.600 but i'm like this could be it for us and then it wasn't so now i got an egg on my face

03:26:27.000 yeah i mean i i'm thinking of writing a sub stack article at some point uh basically like just

03:26:33.020 analyzing the the downfall of metaverse because it's something that i mean it was big news when

03:26:38.460 it was announced in our sphere but now but it kind of uh just like in the metaverse itself uh

03:26:43.820 it kind of just faded from the public view it's not always something people people talk about

03:26:47.520 anymore but it is fascinating to see like just how little interest there really was in any of

03:26:52.500 this vr stuff yeah and we tend you know not to sound mean to anyone in particular but our side

03:27:00.140 tends to not be on the cutting edge of technology adoption we tend to be a bit more cynical

03:27:05.700 we don't like you know it took us for like most of us are on telegram because it's a place where

03:27:11.220 freaks go uh which i love about it but like we tend to not like new technology maybe that's

03:27:18.060 our bias because we tend to be older or whatever but yeah i don't i don't know i maybe i wish we

03:27:23.640 were a bit more eager to get in these spaces but also you know tiktok isn't great either i'm trying

03:27:30.360 to actually build up a tiktok channel for the show but you know it's got a big problem with

03:27:34.720 bots i'm not thrilled with either anyway i know we're past our time we actually have to get going

03:27:41.040 so I what I want is for people to who are interested in anything that we talked about

03:27:46.440 today I want you to check out endeavors sub stack and that is a royal endeavor.substack.com

03:27:54.000 check them out on twitter at royal endeavor and don't forget to check out more goth and endeavor

03:28:00.340 classic movie reviews you can find that on youtube you can find that on odyssey you can find that

03:28:04.500 all kinds of places is there anything that I had missed there that you would like to plug

03:28:09.140 oh not really i uh i you may i primarily use telegram uh and uh for my posts so twitter i'm

03:28:19.180 not that active on anymore i basically just share content there but uh places to follow me telegram

03:28:24.480 youtube or odyssey uh and substack so that's where you can find me fantastic and once again

03:28:30.840 thank you for taking the time to speak with me today i had a great time and i bet everyone's

03:28:34.860 going to love it as well. Thanks for having me on. No problem. Talk to you soon.

Blood Satellite - June 30, 2023

John Void Selling Grannies at the Latin Grammys [＂in the blues musicians are doing all the vanguard＂]

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