00:27:30.320Okay. I wasn't coming ready for this, but I just finished it before we started. So it's kind of fresh in my mind. And you just reminded me of it because we're talking about these people who seem like actors, but they're just old and they, I don't see new versions of them coming up. Maybe like an Adam Driver, but then do I like Adam Driver just because he's weird looking? That could be it too.1.00
00:27:51.740but uh willem defoe is who i'm talking about like willem defoe seems like a guy you know if you told
00:27:58.540me he lived in a shanty in a swamp i'd believe it if you told me like he they they found him0.93
00:28:04.160shooting dice or jason statham was like that too jason statham was found like doing a fucking0.97
00:28:09.600you know one of those card games on the street fucking over tourists right but willem defoe0.90
00:28:14.480seems like a guy who's just like a weird stuck out of time guy but i saw this movie he was in0.71
00:28:20.620a one-man performance and it just came out this movie it's called inside oh right where he's
00:28:27.800trapped in the apartment yeah so you saw the trailer for this i probably yeah i really want
00:28:32.100to see it actually i was gonna click it on my tv and then the tv told me i had to pay for it and i0.52
00:28:36.540said no fuck that okay you got seven minutes stay focused the art in here is worth millions0.76
00:29:31.740but art is for keeps i'm not sure i would recommend it though really and i'll tell you why um because0.97
00:29:43.340i liked the trailer and it looked like it was right up my alley just a bunch of weird shit
00:29:48.560going on and it alluded to things that occur in the story that i thought it might be leading0.94
00:29:54.500somewhere and it just didn't so for people who are wondering what the fuck we're talking about
00:29:58.580inside movie starring willem dafoe he's the only actor in it there's one actor who's kind of in a
00:30:05.700voiceover sort of thing but it's just him and guys like him love these roles and i would equate it
00:30:13.300to know if acting was stand-up comedy this would be your one-man show so i get why actors like
00:30:20.420doing stuff like this it just seems extremely pretentious to me and i say this as a fan of
00:30:25.920willem defoe he's probably one of the few actors i really like where i'll go see a movie because
00:30:31.060he's in it that's how we saw this movie he's got a really good energy he's the hot whatever movie's0.97
00:30:35.860in he's the highlight of it like gary oldman he's the highlight of where the fuck he's in0.92
00:30:40.020um these these presences but this one i'm like okay you like this because you can show your0.89
00:30:46.120entire range you can show what a good actor you are and that's good for you and that's good for
00:30:52.040guys who want to get into film because they can dissect it and see but as just a movie or
00:30:58.360performance there's not a lot there there's not a lot to chew on so the premise of the movie is that
00:31:03.880he is an art thief and he broke into this high rise condo you know um executive level top of
00:31:12.620the building to steal some art uh you don't know really much about whose it is you don't really
00:31:18.920know much about the art that's immaterial to the movie he's in there alarm goes off he's trapped
00:31:24.180in there and the movie follows him trying to get out and it's uh this sub-genre of movie i didn't
00:31:32.540know that this was entire subgenre but there is an entire suite of movies that's just willem
00:31:38.260defoe losing his mind there's a lot of movies like that and he's good at it he's one of our
00:31:45.000top guys for losing your mind on film yeah what is it the lighthouse that was great that's good
00:31:50.760he did this one i believe it's not called valhalla but it's it's another one where again he's like
00:31:56.500trekking into the mountains and it's just it's this type of movie that i don't really like
00:32:00.540because some people will say like there's these types of stories there's man against man or man
00:32:05.500against nature or man against self but he does it's these movies where it's man against nature
00:32:12.700as self and it's like there's nothing really to grab onto there you know and i as i get older i
00:32:19.960don't really have patience for psychological thrillers and that's what this is if you look
00:32:24.440up the genre they'll say psychological thriller i said oh no because that means you're it's gonna
00:32:30.320be like oh is this a hallucination is this in his mind what does he's seeing things and what do they
00:32:36.620represent about his character the problem is he doesn't have much of a character to speak of
00:32:42.900um there's a few things i didn't like about this off the jump so i'm going to say them to you that0.81
00:32:48.080i didn't like so when they go into the building he kind of drops into it like a fucking black ops0.85
00:32:54.840guy so he flies in with a helicopter and they drop him into the building and i'm like right away0.77
00:33:00.660that's a weird way to do a heist that's a because every single helicopter and it's in new york it's
00:33:07.520in this like it doesn't say it's new york but it's a huge metropolis so every single helicopter that
00:33:13.540flies through new york is tracked in catalog you can't just like fly through new york over that
00:33:19.520skyline without announcing who you are and why you're there so the idea that you could sneak a0.95
00:33:24.960helicopter into this fucking building and then later on it just so happens there was a heist in0.97
00:33:29.660the building like that that doesn't make sense to me you know and then he comes in just by himself0.99
00:33:35.820that doesn't make sense to me like why would it just be him and not a couple guys because there's
00:33:42.200a timer on it it's like you only have seven minutes to get in get out before the alarm goes0.95
00:33:46.180off so why why just him that's kind of stupid too have someone get it and then have someone else do0.84
00:33:52.400the the code to get the security system going and that's the other thing so he gets in find some art0.97
00:33:57.780and goes to the security system does it but something's wrong boom done he's abandoned there
00:34:04.260he's talking to the guy on his walkie-talkie number three number three he's like i gotta go
00:34:08.840man you're on your own i don't like he was called number three like it sounds like a poorly thought
00:34:13.860out heist you know yeah and then he's also wearing like a cleaner's uniform as sort of an alias but0.96
00:34:22.060again if you're sneaking in through a fucking helicopter why do you need to have like a0.95
00:34:26.500cleaner's uniform on right yeah just be dressed in i don't know black or something right just0.98
00:34:34.080things like that like that's a strange decision that was not explained at all another thing that
00:34:40.300kind of annoyed me was he seems to lose his mind very quickly like he's only there for a few days0.80
00:34:48.400and he's already like fucking building effigies and scrawling crazy notes on the walls i'm like0.89
00:34:54.960it's been like you haven't been every guy knows what's like to just be dicking around for three0.98
00:35:00.160days by yourself yeah for sure i'd love that i do that right now for three days yeah i could do0.70
00:35:05.600three fucking days standing on my head like like there's one thing where okay i'll skip ahead but0.89
00:35:11.900there's one thing where like he figures out the only way he can get out he's gonna try getting0.99
00:35:14.960out through the ceiling as he tries to get out through the front door the front door is too
00:35:19.400thick and there's like a metal thing there and he bangs on the walls no one can hear him and then
00:35:23.780there's bulletproof glass so it's truly uh prison there so you can only get out through maybe this
00:35:29.000ceiling light and then like he's kind of it's interesting because he there's there's bolts
00:35:34.900there so he has to fashion this like a makeshift wooden ratchet to get the bolts out but like as0.70
00:35:40.620he's losing his mind as he gets the bolts out he makes this fucking a shrine to them of like all0.90
00:35:47.720this junk and puts like a purple pillow there because it's like a rich guy's house so he's0.98
00:35:51.640gathering up all this rich stuff he's like putting the bolts there as like a sacrifice i'm like why
00:35:57.900i don't understand what like i get visually cinematographically that's a cool scene it
00:36:05.860looks good on the camera it just makes no sense why he would do that if he's been there for like
00:36:10.420two days sounds like maybe he was already insane i don't really address that but there's like one
00:36:16.280line of dialogue where he's like in scene of the trailer where he's like when i was a kid
00:36:21.980and school i was asked what i would save in the my house is on fire i chose my acdc album
00:36:29.040my sketchbook and my cat it never occurred to me to say my sister and parents maybe i'm a bad guy
00:36:35.220they never revisit that there's no character study there's there's nothing else there's no
00:36:41.540like there's no real admission that he's a bad guy either it's weird and like there's they don't
00:36:46.540they just leave that there and expect that to be something you just don't get it you just don't
00:36:53.960get it man and there's a lot of things that look cool but like there's like an injured pigeon on0.91
00:37:01.000the balcony he's talking to the pigeon like a fucking tom hanks talking to wilson but tom hanks0.90
00:37:07.680in castaway was on that island for like years again willem defoe has been there for two days0.99
00:37:13.880he's talking to a fucking pigeon and like scratching his face and ah which again like0.97
00:37:20.200if you're an actor the losing your mind scene is great because you can just do the whole spectrum0.99
00:37:25.960of human existence in that you know you're laughing you're crying it's like you're doing
00:37:30.700it's like you're just like he's juicing right but as it occurred as i was watching this it
00:37:36.180occurred to me um for the people listening if you're inclined to writing not even screenwriting
00:37:41.260but writing generally if you don't know what to write or you don't know how to write write
00:37:48.760insanity and i realized watching this like if you just decide to write a psychological some guy
00:37:54.400losing his mind it's carte blanche to do just a bunch of random shit not have to explain yourself0.64
00:38:00.720but have that automatic reception of that's deep but you know you know what it's like as i was0.93
00:38:07.820watching i'm like this would be like watching the shining the movie the great movie jack nicholson
00:38:13.540and shelly duvall everyone knows the shining but imagine watching the shining and jack torrance
00:38:18.940doesn't have his family there it's just a guy being weird alone in a hotel and i'm like it
00:38:26.800doesn't it doesn't work because and maybe i'm reaching with this one you you tell me if this
00:38:32.040works i think to depict insanity on screen or in literature it needs the context of other people
00:38:40.000you need if a guy is to lose his mind he must be losing his mind in in relation to his family
00:38:47.000and friends or society but if you're just telling a story where a guy is by himself and going insane
00:38:53.000it just doesn't work there's another great movie that some people might like because there's a lot
00:38:58.780of very stark jewish overtones but uh darren aronofsky's first film pi um for people who've0.69
00:39:06.640seen that's black and white it's it's very like high energy kinetic really trippy fucked up movie0.56
00:39:12.440but a guy losing his mind but that movie works because he's i won't explain the movie just watch0.90
00:39:19.100it pi pi go watch it fantastic movie but it works because he's losing his mind and he's being
00:39:25.440contacted by other people other groups and so but if it was just him and his his apartment
00:39:30.900going crazy like there's nothing for me to latch on to with that right like what's the story and
00:39:36.780when you watch these movies um there's a great book on screenwriting let me just look it up here
00:39:43.920yeah there's this famous book on screenwriting i recommend anyone who's into storytelling or
00:39:49.440creative writing generally read this it's a book just called story by the author robert mckee
00:39:55.240the full title is story style structure substance and the principles of screenwriting
00:40:00.040but one thing he says in that book that's always stuck with me and it applies to screenwriting but
00:40:06.280i think it applies to stories generally or anything that has scenes he says that every scene
00:40:12.660needs to essentially be a self-contained movie it's like a fractal version of the story
00:40:18.740so every scene needs to have a beginning middle and end and a director who actually really gets
00:40:25.480this is quentin tarantino a lot of people don't like quentin tarantino but if you look at his
00:40:29.540scripts he's a dynamite writer for that reason where if you separate the scenes they're almost
00:40:35.360like self-contained movies or self-contained plays in a sense so where you go wrong in movies and
00:40:41.840marvel movies do this all the time obviously but even other independent movies do this where it's
00:40:47.120like you have scenes where there's nothing really happening it needs to be like a mini conflict a
00:40:52.360mini conflict that's resolved and you need to tie these mini conflicts together but if you have a
00:40:57.880movie where it's just you know an exposition scene and then another exposition scene and then a scene
00:41:04.840where it's like well i need this scene for character development but it's like but what is
00:41:08.820happening and so you watch a movie like this and there's a lot of and it's not just a marvel thing
00:41:14.060a dc thing a disney thing independent movies are rotten with this problem where it's like you have
00:41:21.040scenes where i don't know what's happening i don't know what this movie is about i don't know where
00:41:25.540this is going and i don't know why i'm supposed to be watching this and you'll get that feeling
00:41:30.640within the first 20 minutes of a movie and even you can tell a movie that's really stylistic and
00:41:36.780confusing that still captures like memento is a great movie where as as weird and trippy and
00:41:44.520mind-bending as it is the scenes make sense there's conflicts that lead to the next thing
00:41:49.460and then there's a problem that's resolved but movies like this that are too stylized and too
00:41:54.820kind of up their own ass and pretentious if you watch them and you notice that you're not having
00:42:00.180a good time watching it and you're just not interested that's why and a lot of hacks will0.99
00:42:06.580try and do that and they think if they just write insanity or a man losing his mind then they that's
00:42:12.720just again an easy golden ticket to be taken seriously and i just reject that and i've been0.99
00:42:18.740sick of that for the longest time and i don't just people don't be fooled by this shit especially if0.98
00:42:23.720you're just a god-fearing white man like me it's very easy to get sucked into moody movies that0.99
00:42:30.300like look like they're deep and they look like they got a strange visual style to them but it
00:42:36.540just doesn't work but you know who gets it actually is wes anderson a wes anderson movie
00:42:41.220is even though you think it's over stylized a lot of people will be a lot of people criticize
00:42:48.040as wes anderson and say he insists upon himself and that is true i get it it's wes anderson movies
00:42:55.900are a lot of wes anderson the darjeeling limited life aquatic you know you know what you're getting
00:43:03.160however and more so as time goes on like the last five years of them have been like off the rails
00:43:10.340but but if you watch these movies you will be engaged you will be it will it'll fly by because
00:43:17.600he actually knows very very well how to construct a scene and construct an exchange of dialogue
00:43:24.520and another guy like woody allen knows how to do this i'm not a huge woody allen fan but
00:43:28.600you know martin scorsese all the great guys they get that and it does and you they they can take
00:43:33.440that and make a movie for five thousand dollars and it would still engage you and that's why i
00:43:38.400didn't like this movie and the other thing i didn't like about inside was okay so the whole
00:43:43.720premise of the the crux of it is that the alarm system goes off and then as he's there the heat
00:43:50.440starts to rise right so it's getting hotter and hotter and hotter in there and then it switches
00:43:55.340over it starts getting colder and colder and colder and it's just breaking his mind and in
00:44:01.320the trailer you're watching and you're thinking is this a cat and mouse game like is this whole
00:44:05.680thing a prison set up by the owner of the apartment right and then it becomes clear that
00:44:12.920it's not it's literally just he he broke it's it's a random thing it's a glitch and so the movie
00:44:20.000isn't that this is sort of a game that a sadistic art owner is playing some billionaires playing0.73
00:44:27.180with a criminal then it's it's just random bullshit and then if that's the case then who0.96
00:44:32.640cares because it's not building to anything yeah he just kind of gets out of the conflict yeah0.94
00:44:38.060unless like because it's not man versus man it's not really man versus self it could be like man
00:44:45.920versus machine man versus society but it sounds like they're not building that at all like it's
00:44:52.760just like it it it it it wants to be subversive by playing it up as one thing and then pulling
00:44:58.360the rug out saying aha no it's just a computer glitch so wait is this an anti is it anti bill
00:45:03.260gates like what's going on and it's it's not a character because as you're watching this if you
00:45:07.660do have the if you're a person who likes to write or craft stories you'll notice a dozen places where
00:45:13.280this could have been a really interesting movie because this is a guy who's obsessed with art
00:45:18.100and he's essentially trapped in an art museum so maybe there's a story in there where he like
00:45:23.080tries to utilize his knowledge of art to get out his guy's obsessed with art with painting with
00:45:29.580canvas and things like that so maybe i don't know what it would be but using that obsession
00:45:33.860to try and get out of his situation but he realizes that his knowledge of art has no practical use
00:45:41.260and that he just ends up destroying the art in the process that could be something that's that's
00:45:47.240a story that's something i just made up now but at least i think you could spin that up into
00:45:51.840something interesting or if it turns out that it is just sort of a cat and mouse thing and that
00:45:56.960this is like a it's a man trying to uh the uh here's one a guy a billionaire a man where money
00:46:07.000is no object all he engineers a situation where he entices a guy to steal the art and forces the
00:46:15.300guy to go insane and destroy the art so in a sense it's a a grand gesture for this this billionaire
00:46:23.040to destroy watch his art be destroyed and then there's cameras everywhere right maybe that's the
00:46:27.420story it's a com there's so many commentaries you can make on the appreciation of art and the art
00:46:33.800world it did none of that and also dumb things would occur like um for example like the alarm
00:46:43.640goes off and then it stops but then there's no no one checking in on the apartment there's no
00:46:50.380cameras in the apartment either like that that's that's insane that i have an alarm in my house
00:46:55.720i get a notice every time the alarm goes off even for a second um so the fact that he wouldn't have
00:47:02.180that doesn't make sense there's a point where when he's losing his mind he like sets off the
00:47:07.360uh sprinkler system he makes a torch like a caveman he's becoming like a caveman as it goes
00:47:13.720so we'll get to that in a second but um he lights a torch and sets off the fire alarm for no reason
00:47:19.840it's not really explained why he does that and then the place floods right and then he's just
00:47:25.160walking he's wading around in water and then after he sets off the alarm he's banging on the door
00:47:30.900begging for help i'm like i don't know i don't know why those things follow but then also the
00:47:35.840fact that the fire department wouldn't show up doesn't make sense to me right yeah like if you
00:47:41.540set off a fire alarm but there's going to be people who show up it's the building will be0.84
00:47:45.920alert and he can see through the cameras that there's like a front desk guy and shit so it's0.95
00:47:50.960like i don't understand what like you need to exist in the not real world for you so why write0.70
00:47:58.620it that way also like this is just kind of a nitpick but like even a very fancy condo you
00:48:05.320can't have like two feet of water on the floor and not get leaks on the floor below i'm sorry
00:48:09.160yeah so so the neighbors are gonna know that the neighbors are gonna know that that happened
00:48:13.880That happened to my wife's aunts recently where they left the sink running and it was just like an inch or two centimeters of water throughout the thing.0.91
00:48:24.420And it ruined two floors beneath them.
00:48:29.120And they had to bring people in to rip it up.
00:48:31.780And now the insurance is involved in everything.
00:48:33.460And again, people are saying, oh, you need to turn your brain off.1.00
00:48:37.240That's what fucking morons will tell you.1.00
01:22:04.080The complex was not damaged by earthquake or abandoned, but was buried in near perfect condition.
01:22:11.620This is very unusual compared to other archaeological finds, since most comparable ancient runes have suffered considerable damage.
01:22:19.860And this idea that's gaining traction in the historical community, and this is what I'm going to get into here, this is why I bring it up,
01:22:26.460which is that human civilization reached far further back in time than we previously thought.
01:22:32.540we thought human civilization happened at a certain point turns out it might have been tens
01:22:37.000or hundreds of thousands or maybe even a million years before that and that that means that humans
01:22:42.740were far more advanced in history and that is extremely relevant that changes how we look at
01:22:49.300human history and and how we develop over time but for some reason the historical community has0.94
01:22:55.900its cold dead fucking hands locked on this one historical narrative and they're opposing the0.91
01:23:01.700people who are coming to the table with evidence they're coming here hat in hand and saying look0.99
01:23:07.140we found these prehistoric sites and we've carbon dated them and this looks like art it looks like
01:23:13.520people were making art 50 000 years before they should have been making art which means that
01:23:19.600humans were more intelligent way earlier than we thought and that changes our understanding of how
01:23:24.840humans develop and which civilizations existed and maybe as credence to things we thought
01:23:30.720were just mythology and just the invented whimsy of a few philosophers but i'm astounded that
01:23:39.240academics and inquisitive minds just dismiss that out of hand well he doesn't say he of course he
01:23:46.760doesn't say he has no evidence he has a 900 page book full of evidence it's the quality of the
01:23:52.420evidence what about the quality of that evidence it's okay okay if it was that good you know we're
01:23:58.020not geologists sitting here if it's that good why don't geologists look at it go he's right but
01:24:01.500they do that's the point they do they all do no they don't all do some geologists who some
01:24:07.520geologists who work with egyptologists say that shock is wrong we have a geologist on the line
01:24:12.120why don't we ask him mark well we can have one guy's opinion we could also have other guys opinions
01:24:17.540that we can get i mean this matter has been in the public domain since 1992 and i'm not a huge
01:24:23.640grab hancock guy you know i think sometimes he's reaching because and we'll get to this in a second
01:24:28.880a lot of these historians they like they like this idea of like a patient zero for civilization
01:24:34.300they like that sort of like a tower of babel thing like there was this one great civilization
01:24:38.800that fractured i don't believe that at all for the same reason i'm not a huge fan of the out of
01:24:44.620africa theory i i am more friendly to the idea that our current human races let's call them
01:24:52.420might have occurred simultaneously it doesn't necessarily need to be that there was one like
01:24:58.020one single ancient human ancestor that fractured and spread out and that came from africa maybe
01:25:04.580they another race of you know homo sapiens evolved on its own in the northern climates that would
01:25:12.020align with the sort of hyperborean i'm not i'm getting into esoteric stuff here but i'm more
01:25:16.900friendly to that this is what we'll get to in a second so the book the central theme that he
01:25:24.020establishes very very early on is that we need to be more honest about our ancestors and be aware of
01:25:31.760how what they did and how what they did still remains with us so the idea that you know the
01:25:39.060things that our stone age and our neolithic and prehistoric ancestors did we when we imagine them
01:25:46.840we have this sort of line of demarcation which is everything before this line they were savages0.95
01:25:53.160they were self-interested assholes and then some lightning struck and then civilization and society0.95
01:25:59.720started to develop but he's sort he's painting a different picture of history that no no during1.00
01:26:06.340these times we thought they were savages and they were just running around raping and clubbing each
01:26:11.060other open clubbing each other's heads open in fact they were they were building a society they
01:26:17.400were engaging in written language and um you know these things these cave paintings that we thought
01:26:23.360were just you know the random right we thought they were just them trying to paint make mythology
01:26:30.580no actually these might have been prehistoric what would eventually lead to hieroglyphics and
01:26:35.860language and that these things that we're finding that our prehistoric ancestors did
01:26:40.460weren't purposeless you know i mean and if they were doing things because they actually held
01:26:45.540values and they held spirituality that means that you know this thing called civilization
01:26:52.060reaches far far further back which is historically relevant so um and what's interesting is that
01:26:58.900i'll read it right here he makes a case that i think a lot of our audience would be very very
01:27:03.520friendly too he's making a case that people think that in the bronze age that there was ancient
01:27:10.820egypt and we covered the bronze age in our series you know there's the bronze age there was egypt
01:27:15.780there was all these uh civilizations in that mediterranean region and everything else was0.96
01:27:21.060fucking corrupt and savage especially europe they love telling stories that europe was full of1.00
01:27:25.760fucking loincloth rapists he's making a case that no actually if you look at old europe there's a1.00
01:27:32.040lot of evidence of more advanced civilization than you would think not only that it wasn't1.00
01:27:39.380civilizational uh aspects that they borrowed from somewhere else because that's the other thing they
01:27:44.120say about ancient europeans that they had nothing going on until maybe some egyptian showed up and
01:27:50.540they kind of stole that that flame of intelligence they're saying no no no these paleo paleolithic
01:27:56.760europeans actually were make generating things up through themselves and that that throws a monkey
01:28:04.580wrench into their entire worldview because they have to think that there's like this one invention
01:28:09.460that spreads throughout the world but if if different races can come up with things independently
01:28:14.940that kind of hurts i i think that hurts the out of africa theory in my opinion but
01:28:19.480so he's got this line here it says it says tens of thousands of figurines and other representations
01:28:26.220of the goddess along with highly ornate pottery have been unearthed from the archaeological sites
01:28:32.000of old europe thus giving us a very detailed picture of the artistic and religious traditions
01:28:37.460of these communities the holistic ideology of old europe was challenged and eventually overrun
01:28:42.640by the forefathers of the indo-europeans the late neolithic kurgan culture that originated
01:28:48.020on the steppes of russia um says i reject the assumption that civilization refers only to the
01:28:56.860androcratic warrior societies the generative basis of any civilization lies in this degree
01:29:03.000of artistic creation aesthetic achievements non-material values and freedom which make
01:29:08.940life meaningful and enjoyable for all the citizens as well as a balance of powers between the six
01:29:14.640between the sexes neolithic europe was a true civilization in the best meaning of the word
01:29:20.800so he's painting a story here that it wasn't just you know outside of europe that they were
01:29:26.920capable of having their own values and traditions which again shouldn't be that you know hostile to
01:29:35.300historians but you'll see historians fight this idea tooth and nail and we'll get into why in a
01:29:40.560second um there is an idea that's put forward in the book and i need to get this out of the way
01:29:46.200because i was reading it and it sounded interesting and i brought it to the winner's trust in our chat
01:29:52.300and it got some pushback by uh 40 because he's very knowledgeable about these you know these
01:29:59.180ancient societies and the idea put forward in the book that in in these paleolithic times
01:30:07.300they were very matriarchal that based on a lot of the uh findings that we've uncovered that they
01:30:14.980worship the female body that they worship the female the divine feminine and the female form
01:30:21.520and that women and the female form held a very very high place in society and this has been
01:30:29.600re you know reworked i i think correctly by guys like 40 but also survive the jive who's a great
01:30:37.080content creator who pushes back on this popular narrative that prehistoric europe was matriarchal
01:30:43.200uh they they come to the table with evidence that no actually it was also obsessed with0.62
01:30:48.180you know phallic things and patriarchal ideas it wasn't just about the vagina it was the pain is
01:30:55.900too right so i'm not trying to say that it was like a female dominated society and then the
01:31:02.920indo-europeans showed up because that's the story being told in the book and it was put forward
01:31:07.420by this um woman named uh gimboudis i guess i don't have to say it's maria gimboudis's new book
01:31:15.760this monumental work is a wealth of information on the spirit of the people and their accomplishments
01:31:22.380a civilization maria's called old europe they did not fight wars they did not murder or enslave
01:31:29.420people or poison nature that is not her definition of a civilization
01:31:33.700now i'd like to ask ruth barrett of circle of erati on stage who's going to sing an invocation
01:31:42.400for us so this was was popular in the 70s and 80s he even makes a note in the book where he says
01:31:48.580this proved very popular with feminists so i don't even think he was endorsing it he was just
01:31:53.240saying this is kind of what they're talking about and and it was feminine until the evil
01:31:57.580indo-europeans showed up these warriors and made it patriarchal so i don't believe that
01:32:02.980but i do think uh their society was reproduction oriented that they were uh obsessed with sex and
01:32:12.380reproduction um not just the feminine and maybe not just the male either because there is evidence
01:32:17.360of them obsessed with the female form um like one example is that uh like they found these like
01:32:25.440ancient neolithic villages where the graves weren't necessarily graves as we know them they
01:32:30.840would put the corpses in like a giant egg and they think that the the purpose behind that and
01:32:36.120the meaning behind that was to kind of put them back into something to emerge from later as sort
01:32:41.100of this cyclical nature of life and death but they put the idea of corporeal reproduction at the
01:32:47.240center of their society. So I think that's a fair way to look at it. You know, one example of the
01:32:52.260advances of this age, it gives examples of how we know that we're we were more advanced than we
01:32:57.600think. So one example was this, this village named Katal Hiyuk. They said that's one of the most
01:33:04.600impressive cities of the Neolithic age, which had a population of around 7,000. Not too far from the
01:33:12.620Turkish city of Konya lies one of the world's oldest known settlements. It's actually a
01:33:17.940relatively recent discovery, a Neolithic town that in Turkish is known as Çatal Hayük.
01:33:25.240What the original name of the settlement was is anybody's guess, as it was quite long
01:33:29.180ago, 10,000 years ago, and no writing that may be able to describe the settlement has
01:33:34.780to this day been found there. It's just so old, but also quite sophisticated. In fact,
01:33:42.420many until its discovery didn't think that humans could have lived in such an organized way
01:33:46.700so many thousands of years ago. And with a population of 7,000 going back thousands of
01:33:52.860years they have evidence that even within this city they had this thing called specialization
01:33:57.560so they had jobs they had people who just did one thing which flies in the face of this idea that
01:34:04.080go back to ancient Europe and it was just hunter-gatherers. So and that also recontextualizes
01:34:11.040our understanding of civilizations right now who pretty much are still hunter gatherers you know0.99
01:34:17.500what i mean yeah so there's this idea that oh they just haven't advanced enough motherfucker go back0.92
01:34:22.880like 3 000 years and in europe they still had you know advanced civilizations they just didn't have0.86
01:34:28.100the technology yet but they had this organization orientation that kind of came up within them that0.99
01:34:34.940they still could make societies different than like aboriginals in modern day north america
01:34:42.400so i guess that was kind of what he was saying that you know these things that we think are
01:34:47.120sort of modern innovations or modern orientations or collectivizations might go back to the ancient
01:34:54.100world and i think if people have that in mind that's very very interesting and that means that
01:34:59.080our behavior and that's again what he's making the book like the behavior of our ancestors
01:35:03.920has a direct influence on what we are now and there wasn't this like sudden lightning strike
01:35:10.240line of demarcation where we became a more advanced or different species entirely which
01:35:15.840is what a lot of historians think you know another example just to give some some examples
01:35:21.840pulled from history is that uh there's this old european city uh in a megalithic structure in
01:35:29.040malta that goes back to 4500 dc this is the hal safliani hypogeum built by the mysterious temple
01:35:39.040people over 5 000 years ago this ancient hand-cut labyrinth descends more than 30 feet below ground
01:35:48.400and they're only using stone and bone tools at the time so it wouldn't have been easy to
01:35:55.180carve out such intricate spaces and they found evidence there this is where again there's hard
01:36:01.660evidence that they were in a sense worshiping uh the female form because they found uh links to
01:36:08.840animals and animals representing seasons and animals merging with like the female form so
01:36:15.120there's almost this like shamanistic pre-pagan that's one commonality i always found with like
01:36:21.340pre-pagan religions and even maybe even pre-shamanistic which is like even before you
01:36:26.620get into the shamans and the magic and like the luck magic and stuff like that it's like this
01:36:31.740merging of animals and women i don't know what to make of that you don't see that anymore you know
01:36:37.500that's one of those things we didn't really carry forward except with witches and that's sort of
01:36:42.500what we were talking about before that and furries yeah and furries but true right there if you were
01:36:49.900to tell me that oh this has always been with us in the prehistoric world we used to worship the
01:36:55.520idea of the divine feminine giving birth to bulls which is a common thing women giving birth to
01:37:01.420bulls you see that everywhere you see that in china too but i'm like that's not something i
01:37:06.120think we need to carry forward right yeah not really yeah and oh and the egg cemetery that was
01:37:13.860a um just to give the exact uh location here it's a cemetery in slovakia in a place called
01:37:20.680nitra or nitra it's a 7 000 year old cemetery where the eggs are the graves are egg-shaped
01:37:28.280rather and and there's another cemetery they uncovered in ukraine a cemetery 8 000 years old
01:37:34.720where they have figurines of goddesses and snakes and the reason this is relevant is because
01:37:39.760if you can prove that these paleolithic or ancient humans actually buried their dead and
01:37:46.580had rituals that implies values whereas a lot of historians would rather you believe like oh they0.93
01:37:52.540just left them where they died and also what's more interesting is the again 8 000 fucking years
01:37:59.260ago eight more than 8 000 years ago 8 000 bc that they had hierarchies that they might not bury0.77
01:38:06.600adults but they would bury children they find a lot of children's graves not a bunch a lot of
01:38:11.780adult graves why is that well because within their societies they decided that children
01:38:16.220were more important there was more value put on children and again that would imply
01:38:21.480a social hierarchy that does not fit with their model of just base hunter gatherers and one thing
01:38:28.640he talks about here is language because throughout the book he breaks civilization down into
01:38:33.660components he's got a chapter on art he's got a chapter on language and he talks about uh language
01:38:39.460macro groups and the macro group is you know a collection of languages that have enough overlap
01:38:47.700even though they're different languages they have such an overlap with syntax that you can say oh
01:38:54.080these are connected somehow like you'll notice that english and german and spanish and a lot of
01:39:01.500these languages have similar syntax french as well whereas a lot of the uh you know cyrillic
01:39:07.540languages have a completely different syntax and of course you know the uh the chinese languages
01:39:11.980and things like that and they can be grouped together and he's making these macro groups
01:39:18.060they can only rise in complexity so much because a lot of historians will say like look okay
01:39:23.580we have these small these regional languages we can actually group them in commonality with
01:39:28.760kind of broader languages but there is a ceiling on top of that so he's trying to push back the
01:39:34.280idea that some people think there's like one root language that there's one root language that
01:39:39.400fractured some time ago and became all this other stuff um based on you know regional development
01:39:45.480he's saying no he's saying that the indo-european language is a macro group and it can't be grouped
01:39:53.000with anything else and the reason he said was pretty interesting to me and it never occurred
01:39:57.920to me that um there's certain words and languages that are so fundamental they're like root words
01:40:04.300that are so different that it's almost like they they had to come up with them themselves like for
01:40:10.120example like the two top language groups are the um indo-european and the afro-asiatic those are
01:40:18.700like the two top ones with the most uh language speakers um there's certain words like um he
01:40:26.300calls them generative words like man and water so with a lot of south american languages like agua
01:40:32.160would be the water there's little deviations of that word but you'll notice that the chinese have
01:40:36.960a word for water that is so far and away different than any other language it implies that nothing
01:40:44.540about it was borrowed from something else that these were completely generated from within that
01:40:49.720region so and you have to go down if you look at like the fundamental words like what are the most
01:40:54.480essential words to like there's the word for man there's the word for water there's the word for
01:40:59.540like space and things like that and what you find with these macro groups is like those basic words
01:41:04.960are so different from each other there's like no there's no way you could have any overlap between
01:41:10.940them and any current overlap is just incidental but the way he described that was very very
01:41:15.760interesting to me and and if we if we like grow or evolve based on our environment into a type of
01:41:22.680people who can come up with these things like be the genesis of it we close the door behind us
01:41:28.920because then we create a new global environment where that will never happen again right yeah0.84
01:41:34.400Like you will never have no other race unless there's like a dark age will ever have the same bare necessity for language or agriculture that we had when we invented it because it's already there.
01:41:47.500So everything can only ever be like a shadow of what it, you know, everything can only ever be a copy at this point.0.88
01:41:55.680Yeah. I'll give you another example I'm talking about.
01:41:57.860So for a long time, historians believe that pictograms and hieroglyphics were the precursor to written language.
01:42:06.640Now, we started with that, then more complicated language came later.
01:42:10.040But they found this Sumerian text called a cuneiform text that was, they think, the first example of an abstracted language.
01:42:21.440So this would have been like they have a clay tablet and they would have sort of like a wedge.
01:42:25.800they would make a mark into it right they'd stamp it in there and they found that this is to such
01:42:31.920an abstracted way it wasn't just like counting because they they would look at that and say oh
01:42:36.580there's just like a marker like one two three like uh like roman numerals or something like that like
01:42:41.620no no it's it's far more abstract than that um and they found a city called susa where they found
01:42:47.680over 700 of these like clay tablets that like here's a language made for recording something
01:42:54.500from real life that isn't just a drawing and this was this predated hieroglyphics so we've got
01:42:59.860you know a functional utilitarian language being done way earlier than we thought um and then there
01:43:07.580was also in the near east around this time there was the they have evidence of the utilization of
01:43:12.640clay tokens and these tokens were like different shapes right um and they'd be like a shape of a
01:43:18.860bull or the shape of a man or the shape of like a house and they found and they were pretty widely
01:43:23.840used they found thousands of these so they're thinking like oh are these just like relics
01:43:27.960they're toys right oh they're savages they made oh you just made a clay figurine of a bull but
01:43:35.440then they started realizing like no these are these are standardized these are all the exact
01:43:40.100same size and around the exact same shape then they notice oh this is for accounting these are
01:43:45.760representations of like livestock again in an age where they shouldn't be doing accounting of
01:43:52.140livestock and that they're just like oh does one mean actually 10 bulls or one bull they don't
01:43:56.880know but it's it's an abstracted representation of something from the real life that represented
01:44:02.300a conceptual leap in recording data and they say that the emergence of tokens as data collection
01:44:10.180evolved in that Sumerian society so you have a society that's more built on trade and what they
01:44:15.520noticed was that around the same time old europeans were doing something similar they were
01:44:22.280developing a language um and it was an abstracted language however it was less economic in origin
01:44:31.220it was more spiritual in origin um i got a part here that i found really fascinating
01:44:35.980he says there are other instances of the development of writing for magical purposes
01:44:41.700Although the origins of writing in China are still rather mysterious,
01:44:46.660what is beyond dispute is that the oracle bones inscriptions from the Shang dynasty
01:44:53.020dating back to the second millennium are examples of writing concerned not with economics,
01:45:09.620as was made clear in the an earlier chapter the economic nature of the sumerian script was an
01:45:16.700outgrowth of a long tradition of accounting stretching back to the beginning of the neolithic
01:45:21.860in the region in old europe the main concern that seems to have led to the use of script
01:45:26.860was religious rather than material suggesting a discontinuity of cultural emphasis at least in
01:45:33.640terms of communicating through a system of signs. It must not be presumed that the old European
01:45:40.580script can be dismissed on the grounds that it does not follow the Sumerian pattern emerging out
01:45:45.880of economic requirements. So he's basically saying that just because the language was developed for
01:45:50.620spiritual purposes does not make it less impressive than this other abstract language
01:45:56.620that was designed for data collection and and so really the the main arc of this book that he's
01:46:03.740trying to fight and this is the arc that i like the most is that he's fighting this idea that
01:46:08.960earlier equals simpler see what i'm saying and he says you know while the technology and the
01:46:15.220concepts might not have been there the human mind was still functioning in more or less the same way
01:46:21.780You know, of course, over thousands and thousands of years, our brains shift and our conceptualizations of the world shift.
01:46:29.860But he says, you know, a lot of the driving forces that caused us to like try and invent these things are still there.
01:46:36.280And this idea that we shouldn't treat our Neanderthal ancestors as a different species is really kind of crazy.
01:46:45.500and i think modern historians are liberals and i think they they have to adhere to this idea that
01:46:54.260something in the past was essentially simpler you know what i mean simpler to the point of0.99
01:46:59.960it being stupid and useless and him trying to make the argument that no no no you know0.96
01:47:04.020our ancestors were actually really really impressive and had a lot of things to say1.00
01:47:08.300and accomplished way more than you would think to the point of um creating cities and there's
01:47:14.280evidence in the paleolithic era of having these mines because one of the most important materials
01:47:23.040to them was obsidian and obsidian is mined from like volcanoes it's fine from mine from deep in
01:47:30.380the earth and they found these sites that looked like they were excavating on a large systematic
01:47:37.440scale as much as they could at the time obviously but having like advanced technological
01:47:43.720conceptualizations of here's here's we're going to build a mind we're going to dig here and we're
01:47:48.440going to make scaffolding we're going to make it so we can extract these resources in shifts and
01:47:54.300then that's what that type of thinking is what leads you to the bronze age and that runs counter
01:48:00.260to the i don't know why they like thinking this way but they like thinking that developments in
01:48:05.620human history were just lightning strikes from above which sounds very you know religious but
01:48:11.360they also hate religion so like i don't get why they don't like that anyway but that is like an0.77
01:48:16.380astounding idea like fucking 40 000 years ago having like a crew going into a mine it's such0.90
01:48:23.780a fucking crazy thing to imagine though yeah yeah but that also explains things like stonehenge0.83
01:48:28.960see there's even if you talk to a lot of people now they'll look at stonehenge or the look at0.94
01:48:33.480the easter island heads and they'll say why did they make this it must be completely random but
01:48:39.120it you have to leave it up to the esotericists and more of the experimental historians to think
01:48:43.860like no like the reason they made these things is because they actually had that same sort of
01:48:49.480scientific drive inside of them because one thing they can prove with these paleolithic societies
01:48:54.520they were obsessed with the stars they're obsessed with constellations and the stars themselves
01:48:59.940inspired us to come up with all kinds of crazy ideas they might not have known what it meant
01:49:05.420they might not have known what stars were but they had essentially a scientific relationship
01:49:11.480with the stars so you have things like stonehenge like okay these megalithic structures appear to
01:49:18.120correspond to the constellations and can correspond to the seasons and within that
01:49:24.880savagery you have the germ of scientific thought whereas again modern historians would like to say
01:49:31.980scientific thought only emerged in you know the 1700s it's a rationalist experiment that came to
01:49:39.180us through reason no no in this sense the scientific thought is almost a spiritual endeavor
01:49:45.580it's something that drives you to try and come up with conclusions and come up and test ideas and0.94
01:49:51.900correspond mathematically with nature around you even if you don't fucking understand it
01:49:57.880and i think that that's that's almost spiritual like science as spirit is such a concept i'd0.68
01:50:05.420never even experienced you know encountered before before reading this i just i thought
01:50:11.100it's worth people knowing that um he says in the course of this book the human story has
01:50:19.120been traced from the cusp of history back to the inscrutable nature of the earliest known artifacts
01:50:24.440which in the final analysis are barely distinguishable from the works of nature
01:50:29.800this journey back to our cultural origins has unearthed some surprising results that cultural
01:50:35.420activities such as the making of oriental rugs the use of the dreaded dentist drill and the equally
01:50:41.560dreaded practice of accountancy have all been shown to be part of neolithic life is remarkable
01:50:46.880enough such early say the equally dreaded practice of accounting yeah yeah yeah it's kind of a joke
01:50:53.340yeah but he's like yeah we did accounting because there's also parts in the book i didn't go into
01:50:56.960this now but they were showing you know there is evidence in these early eras of them like
01:51:02.040doing dental work because they had to and of course their materials but honestly if you've
01:51:07.720been to the dentist recently i don't think the tools of dentistry have really evolved that much0.99
01:51:12.520since like 3 000 bc it's a lot of sharp sticks it's a sharp sticks poking your fucking gums0.99
01:51:18.640and sadists doing it show me a dentist i'll show you a fucking neanderthal how about that0.99
01:51:25.680but yeah they're saying like these ideas stretch back there and um0.97
01:51:31.100such early days for these activities are not simply precocious oddities but part of a whole
01:51:38.480host of innovations and inventions of the stone age period in the light of this vast body of
01:51:44.340evidence collected in this book is now clear that a fundamental reassessment of the prehistoric
01:51:50.020contributions to civilization is necessary um so yeah that's the idea and you know challenging this
01:51:57.600this this dogmatic idea that early especially early europe and i have a note here that um
01:52:06.940And I won't go too much in this, but in the book, a lot of the pushback for like ancient European languages comes from, in my opinion, Jews, because one of the big mega language groups is sort of Hebrew.0.60
01:52:25.540Hebrew is like its own language and I think they they don't like the idea that uh Indo-European
01:52:32.960language can stretch back further as far or further than ancient Hebrew that's my you know
01:52:40.060biased interpretation of it but like there's been a lot of like Jewish scholars who like the idea of0.97
01:52:45.380Europe being a bunch of fucking loincloth savages oh also another thing here they that I just found0.95
01:52:51.500This is kind of an oddity, but it's to show again how advanced they were.0.98
01:52:57.960One thing he mentions on page 189 is that not only do they have evidence of art representing values, they have art representing what could be perceived as double entendres, especially in erotic art.
01:53:10.520and they found this one sculpture that looked like a double entendre it's two figures kind of having0.70
01:53:17.220sex facing each other but the figure the people themselves look like penises so it's like going0.99
01:53:25.920back like 7 000 years you still have the fellas riffing on gay sex0.99
01:53:31.820it is the thread that ties all arians together for 10 000 years it's survived this long0.99
01:53:42.180at some point your ancient ancestors said these guys love gay sex so much they are gay sex0.99
01:53:50.520oh no yeah i'm just gonna just one last thing i'm gonna read about the mining thing because i0.99
01:59:22.380maybe we actually don't have that much in common
01:59:25.480between these sort of mega groups anyway that's just what i wanted to end on and any thoughts on
01:59:32.560that no it's cool i kind of was aware vaguely of it but to hear some of the details is very
01:59:38.280interesting yeah it's uh i like this book the lost civilizations of the stone age uh can't
01:59:43.480recommend it enough and there's there's a lot to go into we only gave it a surface scratching this
01:59:49.900time but i think there's a lot there and that's really where the dangerous research is being done
01:59:55.760the date the research that they don't want people to do is the stuff that goes way deep into almost
02:00:02.040the mythological and esoteric eras of humanity because that reveals a lot about ourselves that
02:00:09.260i think you know what they want is a modernist retelling of human history and they don't want
02:00:14.260you to challenge that and that's where you get into stuff like you know atlantis which we'll get
02:00:18.520into next episode anyway that that's all i had today i'll let you go now we've been going for a
02:00:23.280while no worries man that was a good one all right all right talk to you soon see you
02:00:27.380yeah i'd imagine it's a little different when it's a newborn rather than you know
02:00:48.340people in the comment section or shit like that although aa told he messaged us in this group
02:00:53.680chat letting us know about the uh new youtube terms of services so i guarantee you the account0.60
02:00:59.340evasion was probably what they got blood satellite clips for they must have been yeah also i wasn't
02:01:05.800terribly surprised considering how you know everyone has to edit their videos to take out
02:01:10.520cursing now i don't know if you've noticed that so really yeah the big ones who want to i guess
02:01:16.460maybe monetize their videos but i noticed a lot of creators get in trouble if they just have you
02:01:21.520know shit or fucked basic stuff not slurs even they just they just eased up on the swearing rules0.50
02:01:27.680so you have to just hold off for eight seconds before you can start swearing and they don't even1.00
02:01:33.140they don't even care if you say things like damn or hell or shit or fuck just don't just don't be0.99
02:01:39.900dropping hard r's on youtube basically the first eight seconds and you're good to go yeah and that's1.00
02:01:45.080why because um there's some interviews like i did one with a character by the name of zoltanus
02:01:50.500um who some people might be aware of and i know he dropped one so i didn't even put his on youtube
02:01:56.600because this will be an odyssey one because we were talking about deep fascist lore and things
02:02:02.140like that i'm like i'm not even gonna risk that oh yeah this will probably be an odyssey exclusive
02:02:07.160well that's what i'm gonna talk to you about i was gonna say like i can play it very safe
02:02:11.180i can you know be very i'm not gonna i wasn't intending to go out see and be like this is the
02:02:17.500problem with the jews or anything like that even though it's very hard not to take that line when
02:02:23.140you read this book oh this is the most unironic red pilling book i've read in a long time yeah
02:02:29.420yeah and there's a few like central pillars to what we'll talk about but you know i thought the
02:02:35.260stuff with mlk later is pretty well because mlk does not come out of this book looking very good
02:02:39.820no he does not uh you know you'd almost confuse some parts of the mlk chapters as if this was a
02:02:46.160a sam francis essay about his behavior and his character but uh i found those parts to be the
02:02:53.000least interesting yeah yeah it got less interesting as it went and by the end of it it was kind of
02:02:58.660repeating itself i found um it got because and also my thing is if you want to get into like
02:03:05.580the stuff in the 60s and 70s there's other books that might do it even better and if you want to
02:03:10.620go into like the real black nationalist movements that's almost a episode in itself if you want to
02:03:17.000do it right you know what i mean oh yeah um this book was it covered a little bit of everything
02:03:22.500i mean in terms of what to expect um i did not know some of the things that were mentioned in
02:03:29.280here i felt like oh these are like baby's first red pills that i should have known but i had no
02:03:34.100idea about. But before we get too far into it, I should let everyone know what we're actually
02:03:40.420reviewing. So I'm going to just share it up on screen. So we are reviewing What Went Wrong,
02:03:46.740the Creation and Collapse of the Black Jewish Alliance by Murray Friedman. Now, Murray Friedman0.51
02:03:53.820is the former vice chairman of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights in Washington, D.C., and was the
02:04:00.140mid-atlantic regional director of the american jewish committee he also was the head of the
02:04:04.860center for american jewish history at temple university in philadelphia not a half bad
02:04:10.500looking guy according to his picture on the uh beginning of the book or the jacket there i should
02:04:16.240say you know he's the guy on the right there right yeah yeah well no no not the guy on the cover i
02:04:23.020meant the guy in the back sleeve of the jacket but you know the guy who actually kind of looks like
02:04:26.840kanye west right yeah distance at least um but this book is printed in 1995 so for all you old
02:04:34.180heads out here this book is as old as me um but yeah this is what we're covering and i am joined
02:04:39.680today by dimes from blood satellite how are you dimes oh i'm loving it i'm full no i'm gonna let
02:04:46.240you know ahead of time we were talking about this just before i did recently have a baby boy brought
02:04:51.840in this world i say that not as a flex but as a if you hear a baby crying in the distance
02:04:58.360um i'm gonna i might mute around that uh it's upstairs with my wife right now
02:05:03.420but uh it's it's completely it's upstairs with my wife it's a normal baby crying
02:05:09.620are there previous streams of the blood satellite show where there's not normal baby crying in the
02:05:16.440background because i i like to use a lot of sound effects in the background so people might be
02:05:20.380forgiven i think oh this is um a goof but this is not an episode for goofing you know i'm coming
02:05:26.400in i'm coming in hot this is a no horseplay episode for me i guess the horseplay will be
02:05:33.200left for me um hey i'm frying pan it into the venn diagram a prude
02:05:38.140uh well i guess i should say mazel tov and for having your kid in the spirit of what we're
02:05:44.580talking about many years to you and your son um so yeah what the so what's what wanted what
02:05:52.660wanted or what was the reason why i wanted to do this and we talked about doing this months ago
02:05:57.300before the new year had even started so it's been a hot minute due to our schedules and life events
02:06:02.040but um i wanted to cover this book because of the whole kanye west thing i i looked at this book
02:06:08.980and i was reading it and then of course the whole kanye west thing happened and i thought to myself0.96
02:06:14.180oh this shit isn't new at all you know this whole little uh meltdown against uh jewish0.99
02:06:19.680individuals in hollywood the media and government is nothing new from black activists musicians1.00
02:06:25.680um academics and so on it's a tale as old as time in america and so i thought well why not
02:06:32.120go to somebody who already reviews books and does it pretty well so i decided to reach out to dimes
02:06:38.480um i've been rereading it over the last couple of days and prep for this what do you what do you
02:06:44.160what are your general impressions of this book because like i think i said earlier this is like
02:06:47.440an unironically red pilling text even though it's not meant to be yeah it was uh like you said
02:06:52.540written in the 90s so i i wonder if it could even be written today and it's not really talked about
02:06:58.120a lot although for those who want an unvarnished history about this sort of thing this is as good
02:07:04.140is a book as i could recommend and let me also just say i know this probably won't be going up
02:07:09.980on youtube but i just wanted to preface this entire talk by reminding people that this is a
02:07:15.820book written by a jewish man about jewish people so the things we may end up saying on this episode
02:07:24.080might come across as pretty edgy dare i say even anti-semitic but i promise you we're literally
02:07:30.600just quoting the book most of the time in this and so that having been said my feelings of the
02:07:37.300book is it's first of all it starts off stronger than it ends and it goes back deep it goes deep
02:07:43.780into the past about like the jewish relationship with black americans during slavery you know um
02:07:51.020but i think because of the time it was written there are a lot of like you had said red pills
02:07:58.300in this that i think were unintentional and i know you you take copious notes like i do
02:08:04.080this is one of those books where every single page i had several notes because of it was either
02:08:11.680a wild claim or a wild truth or some audacious trying to like wall page or sometimes a contradiction
02:08:19.200when it came to certain things but it is from the mind of someone who i believe i believe the
02:08:24.880through line of this entire book is a guy saying how dare you not thank us for all we did for you
02:08:31.560that's kind of the headline of the book would you agree with that yeah the well it's not even that
02:08:36.720it's the headline but it's the subtext of the entire book the murray friedman writes this book
02:08:43.140and the history is rather unique and we'll get into it in just a little bit here but the subtext
02:08:48.560of the book is how dare you how how dare you break from us after all that we've done for you
02:08:53.440Which is very funny, considering that the major through line of the book is that this alliance, right, for political purposes, for, you know, black liberation, you know, enfranchisement, sort of combining America's already built in race problem with the ongoing issues of, say, how Jews might view themselves compared to the rest of the world and sort of this, well, we have to stop anti-Semitism type deal.
02:09:20.800and it's the same problem i think we're still seeing today when it comes to like wokeness and
02:09:26.560asians you know like asians are all aboard the wokeness train until it comes for them and i
02:09:32.200think that that was the major through line of this book was detailing the history of how this
02:09:35.640relationship started and then once the civil rights regime kicks off the gibbs and the defenses
02:09:41.120between jewish self-interest and black self-interest really breaks this alliance apart
02:09:46.400and it's still been really uncomfortable even though this book was written in 1995 it's still
02:09:51.300really uncomfortable today and i mean if the recent kanye west story is any indication
02:09:56.160it's not going away anytime soon but this is the most scholarly work like there's so there's like
02:10:02.62040 pages of end notes for you all to read through the sources they're interesting
02:10:06.000and yeah i mean but it is written with the tone of how dare you um yeah and superior superiority
02:10:14.640borderlining on condescension yeah and he cannot stop editorializing and i don't you know more
02:10:20.720about the author than i do i'm coming into this blind but you know for example uh you had mentioned
02:10:25.300kanye west and uh for those you're not i'm a 30 year old boomer right i remember a lot of the
02:10:30.520stuff from the 90s that you might not have lived through and uh there's this sentiment that's
02:10:36.600popular especially on the you know center right where they say everything was better in the 90s
02:10:42.520all the bad race stuff was almost caused by 9-11. That's the implication. But there was a lot of
02:10:48.800ethnic strife going on in America in the 90s. And one example was in this book, introduction,
02:10:56.540page one, he calls Luis Farrakhan, the leader of the Nation of Islam, just this lunatic who goes0.79
02:11:03.360on, quote, bitter tirades. Now, if you know anything about the Black community, and a lot0.93
02:11:08.780of people in our scene do because you know they they study black people for various reasons but
02:11:15.160you gotta know nation of islam is the leading black supremacist slash nationalist organization
02:11:20.920in the u.s and you probably find i'd say like 80 percent of the blacks in entertainment would0.99
02:11:27.880revere louise farrakhan that's a number i pulled out of my ass but it tastes good when i said it0.99
02:11:32.820But like we so to call Luis Farrakhan, just this lunatic fool shows complete disregard for what what's actually going on in that community.0.99
02:11:45.300And and we'll get to this later in the book. You'll see them say, you know, our chosen guy was Martin Luther King Jr.0.95
02:11:51.500That's a whole angle to it, too. But you can tell, like the editorialization from the start is where the hell did all these black radicals come from?0.98
02:11:58.900why'd they show up they they what they're you know they're that's the wrong kind of communism0.97
02:12:03.580that's another you know subtext oh that's the whole chapter on it basically yeah but it's a0.94
02:12:08.920lot of this book is and then one day the black radicals showed up and i think he doesn't pay
02:12:17.340enough mind to he kind of mentions it later but really the the forces at play and all and to be
02:12:22.640honest if one wanted to take a magnifying glass to the black nationalist movement in america that
02:12:28.680could be its own episode there's a lot of depth to that even if you want to read the book uh days
02:12:33.580of rage about you know the black separatist terrorists in the uh 60s and 70s like that's
02:12:39.400its own thing too but i think just the the what the the editorialization is the story here sorry
02:12:46.180that was a bit of a ramble well i mean no it's a good rant to have because this book is not going
02:12:50.880to cover the rise of these movements or organizations although it inadvertently
02:12:56.640references them in ways that make it sound like this relationship between these two groups was
02:13:02.800seminal no pun intended for those organizations to give rise and the early part of the book really
02:13:10.060delves into that but yeah the introduction literally complains about louis farrakhan
02:13:14.580um spike lee and mobeta blues you know you ever seen that great times yeah and he mentions like
02:13:21.200in that example it was the caricature he's citing was like two jewish nightclub owners and i'm like
02:13:28.080okay what what part of that is that are you mad it's a lie or he didn't like the actors like what
02:13:33.300you say no jewish people owned clubs that black singers frequent i mean that's you gotta tell me
02:13:39.120what the problem is there you know anyway sorry well yeah and then i guess as we'll dive into it
02:13:44.040we'll go chapter by chapter i guess but like the early history i thought was the most important
02:13:49.280part of the book because it establishes how this cause came to be and it's not it's a rather
02:13:55.540interesting circumstance because the book will tell you based upon the studies from the u.s
02:14:01.940government and the bureau of the census bureau that like by 1850 there's only like 50 000 jews
02:14:08.280in the united states um i mean still a ridiculously small number considering that the u.s population
02:14:14.680at the time was, let's see here, I'm going to look it up here, 1850, was about 23 million people.
02:14:24.640So, you know, like a 35% increase from 1840. But anyways, but yeah, it's the cause of slavery that
02:14:31.480really gets them to start paying attention. And what's interesting is that many of the people
02:14:35.640that come over from Europe, you know, many Jewish immigrants in the 19th century, this spirit,
02:14:41.340And he mentions this quite frequently with a lot of these characters, the spirit of the 1848 progressive, liberal and socialist movements inside of Europe in the age of revolution, you know, revolution against the Ancian regime, that spirit is still alive with them.
02:14:56.660And they sort of use abolition and anti-slavery as their cause to sort of promote that.
02:15:03.140Yeah. And if I made there's just to bolster that point, I actually have a quote from the book if people are interested.
02:15:09.200i found it summarizes it pretty well um he's talking about the jews who lived in the north
02:15:14.480in the u.s around this time says for a long time few jews the north followed their example but
02:15:19.500the 1840s brought jews of a different outlook to america the ashkenazism from central and eastern
02:15:26.400europe poor and lacking significant business interests they sought social and economic
02:15:31.760opportunities that had been denied them at home most had no taste for slavery and no stake in
02:15:37.460the system. A smaller group of immigrants were refugees from revolutionary movements in Prussia
02:15:43.560and Austria-Hungary, who had fought for equal rights there and would continue to do so in their
02:15:49.460adopted country. It was they who set the precedent for all Jewish civil rights activity that had been
02:15:56.480continued to the present day. That's from, I think, page 23 there. But there's little
02:16:01.580quotes for that, just to prove people that were not bullshitting them.
02:16:07.460Yeah, and I mean, to also get a clue of, I think it's literally on page 22, right? But this is from talking about the issues of the Civil War, right? You also get individuals like Solomon Cohen get mentioned, as well as Judah P. Benjamin of the Confederacy, who was basically President Jefferson Davis's right-hand man and basically ran the Confederacy while Jefferson was sick on multiple occasions.
02:16:30.000Mr. Davis was not known to have good health but shortly after Appomattox Cohen declared quote
02:16:36.040I believe the institution of slavery was refining and civilizing to the whites giving them an
02:16:41.240elevation of sentiment and ease and dignity of manners only attainable in societies under the0.83
02:16:46.780restraining influence of a privileged class and at the same time the only human institution that1.00
02:16:52.720could elevate the negro from the barbarism and develop a small amount of intellect with which
02:16:57.020he is endowed end quote um this is in 1865 but that tone there is equally condescending from0.58
02:17:04.720both looking upon whites and blacks but it's just this is the kind of language you're going to be
02:17:09.660listening to folks this is not because we're raging anti-semites or anything like that but
02:17:14.960mainly because i don't i haven't decided where this is going to go when i finish recording
02:17:19.100but you know but it's funny though to look at this history because even then right before this like
02:17:23.260smaller class of people you did have people like judah p benjamin and he does cite numerous sources
02:17:29.980throughout the the early chapters and the first chapter is called early black jewish relations
02:17:35.240that sort of tries to do a preemptive like debunking of like the popular black nationalist
02:17:40.880black separatist nation of islam type things that all the slave markets were closed on jewish
02:17:46.620holidays and jews owned all the slave ships he's he makes it very clear and i mean at least he
02:17:51.300brings up literature to back it up which is nice through the purposes of this book and my own0.76
02:17:56.040reading of it about uh that the fact that no actually um there weren't that many jewish
02:18:02.480owners yeah the slave trade well what he says is is actually pretty funny he says uh i'm going to
02:18:07.060summarize i won't quote from the book but the summary essentially is like we were kicked out
02:18:10.520of spain we were kicked out of portugal all these places so we went to uh the netherlands we we went
02:18:16.960to holland and that's where the commercial markets were centralized at the time a lot of people
02:18:21.580familiar with that and so he'll say it's like well yes we were involved in the slave trade but we're
02:18:25.820never more than 10 of it which i'm not i'm not looking at the demographic hard numbers on this
02:18:32.560but that might be a lot um and then it's like oh you know but then you know everyone else was
02:18:37.460involved in it too and then the second thing and i was surprised at this because i've never really
02:18:42.560looked into the hard numbers on this but he's like the myth or the the comment made on our side is
02:18:48.880like oh they owned all the slave ships and part of me thought that's probably not true according
02:18:53.280to this guy it was but his sort of co-phrase was oh but yeah it was ships everyone was doing it man
02:19:00.040oh it's like they're like oh we used it for other stuff too so like yeah we had slaves and dreidels
02:19:04.800yeah however by the 18th century or hold on here but here it is um many jews settled in holland
02:19:11.380which then was the peak of commercial expanse and throughout the 17th century the dutch were
02:19:15.280predominant in the slave trade jews participated in the trade to some extent the numbers of jewish
02:19:19.740traders in holland reaching a high of perhaps six to ten percent at the time um but you know
02:19:24.700it mainly went into the hands of those protestants guys don't look at us although that seems like a
02:19:29.300really large over-representation there's one thing i'm going to kind of lead with and this i'm really
02:19:36.240try not to sound too hostile to one specific ethno-religious group but it i'm commenting on
02:19:42.760something in the book and one thing he does repeatedly in the book that frustrated me
02:19:46.980was on one hand he'll often say that he'll say outright that jews will adhere to the rules and
02:19:53.520the values of wherever they are so he'll say this to jews in the south why were jews in the south
02:19:58.680so anti-semitic well because all these anti-semitic whites same with racism um and same with the
02:20:05.040slave trade everyone was doing it what are we supposed to do stand out but then one page later
02:20:10.180they'll say of course but in the north you know we had to follow the our jewish spirit which is
02:20:15.360always to fight for the freedom of the lessers wherever we might land so i'm like you can't be
02:20:21.840both you know and i he doesn't really reconcile that throughout the book at various times when
02:20:27.280he's trying to wallpaper over the jews who actually did own slaves it's never their fault
02:20:32.700and for the jews who fought on the side of freedom and liberation it was almost exclusively them who
02:20:39.700did it for uniquely jewish reasons almost to imply that anyone who any of the uh catholics or the
02:20:47.020prostitutes who sided with them were doing it for jewish reasons and that might be me reading too
02:20:51.440much into it but that's pretty much what he says in the book which frustrates me i think it'll be
02:20:55.860safe to say it's going to be hard for us to we'll have to delineate often i think to say all right
02:21:01.860we may be reading too much into this you know we may yes we may have come into this with too many
02:21:06.080but i mean at the same time right like you know in the north jews were freer to express their
02:21:11.160abolitionist views they were some of the earliest members of the nation's first anti-slavery
02:21:14.640organization in 1774 um but yeah i mean well it is interesting to see the colonial but also the
02:21:23.240interesting history that i think still exists today in in politics is because there is this
02:21:28.740ongoing political internal struggle over how to approach American politics between
02:21:35.380the orthodox side of Judaism and the reformed side of Judaism. And they say this very clearly
02:21:43.280in the, in, in the civil wars, because it really was the debate between, you know, more orthodox
02:21:50.580Jews that were arguing that actually, no, you know, the Torah tells us that slavery is an
02:21:55.900ordained institution compared to the reformed Jews of the time that were saying, no, like,0.79
02:22:01.360you know, abolitionism is good. It's not blasphemy. And that kind of stuff still happens to this day0.63
02:22:06.400where we saw, you know, with Donald Trump, for example, you know, like the Orthodox Jews went
02:22:11.580out of their way to vote for him and they, you know, have their portion in New York City where
02:22:15.380they are, but most secular Jews or reformed Jews didn't vote for him. And it's funny to see that0.56
02:22:21.520that even as far back as the antebellum south that that was an ongoing factor yeah and that's
02:22:27.620a great point you just made um about how from my perspective that unique intra-jewish conflict has
02:22:35.240not changed at all and that one example of um there was a couple of rabbis noted in the book
02:22:41.000i think it was uh who is a jewish leader like shaballo morais you know he obviously said you
02:22:47.180know it's it's justified in the bible you know and you'll still hear those arguments in the book
02:22:52.860they were making these arguments up until the 1970s and 1980s that you know these like how many
02:22:59.560of course if they're old school rabbis why would they ever evolve are there still old school rabbis
02:23:03.940around yes they are their job is to not really change that much so as far as i know these debates
02:23:10.740are still happening right now and i think like to bring it back to kanye west because that's still
02:23:15.700fresh in people's minds. I think you saw a lot of, if you were paying attention to Jewish spaces,
02:23:21.220you saw these exact same discussions occurring at that time. Yeah, absolutely. And I mean,
02:23:28.320and from sort of, and again, this book is written by a Jewish man who has worked, I mean, he's,
02:23:33.380he's been deceased since 2005, but you know, he worked for, it was a civil rights attorney.
02:23:38.580He's worked for various Jewish causes. He was on the, I think the American Jewish Congress,
02:23:42.100as I mentioned earlier, the American Jewish Committee, excuse me. And I mean, so you're
02:23:47.040getting a profoundly Jewish perspective. And again, that's going to come with some contradictions
02:23:52.420because, you know, he'll say on one hand, you know, there were, you know, they had no problem
02:23:57.900working in coordination with, you know, Protestants, Quakers, Unitarians, Deists, you know, secular
02:24:04.300free thinkers, but they were always treated with, you know, a cocked eyebrow, you know, and he'll
02:24:11.080criticize like you know protestant christians for saying like you know they'll they'll cite you'll
02:24:15.660have biblical condemnations of slavery but in the next breath you know denouncing jews for0.72
02:24:20.320craftiness hypocrisy and deceit um so you're gonna get the full spectrum in this book like this is
02:24:26.600actually a really good historical text albeit biased because it's partly an ethnography but
02:24:32.320it's still worth your read yeah and i would encourage people if there's a lot of your
02:24:37.400listeners, I'm sure, who find this simply interesting, just from an American history
02:24:41.820point of view, a book to pair with this, you might have been talking about before, is
02:24:46.960Tri-Faith America. The author's name escapes me, but that deals with the civil rights movement as
02:24:54.400well. I will say it takes a sharper focus on the Catholic angle to that and sort of casts the
02:25:01.540Catholics as the real bad guys in all of this. But if people want a fuller picture, there is
02:25:07.400is a case we made that there are the jews but then the catholics were working in concert with them0.89
02:25:12.780more or less to just bully the protestants who were just weren't ready for this sort of fight0.56
02:25:18.820really um there might be something to the point you know not not to dismiss like anything in this
02:25:23.920book but there is a truth to the fact that you know jews and catholics but mainly jews were
02:25:28.440spearheading this and the protestants probably were not terribly concerned and were kind of
02:25:34.920forced into this through various direct actions um and i guess what's interesting to me also if
02:25:42.660people are looking for another subheading like the big takeaway from this book at least from my
02:25:47.720perspective was you kind of touched on it just there which is there really was never a black
02:25:54.000jewish alliance that's it that's really the story like if there was it was very very momentary
02:26:00.360and with a few key leaders but you know just to go back to the main thing we were talking about
02:26:05.060going back to slavery the relationship between blacks and jews pre you know abolition he's
02:26:12.120talking about how blacks idolized jews um because of everyone knows the jewish history of oppression
02:26:19.640i'm like are you sure black american slaves did i'm not sure but maybe but he says they idolized0.52
02:26:26.200Jews, but hated Jews, according to him, because they were taught Christianity. But they, you know,
02:26:31.700from the very beginning, the story was blacks look up to Jews because of their global minority
02:26:37.740status and their ability to rise up, but we're always suspicious of them. And to me, that's
02:26:43.580essentially the story of the entire book. Would that sound correct to you? Yeah, absolutely. I
02:26:48.460mean, I think you get the shaping of a black Jewish relationship really more thoroughly in
02:26:54.760the 1920s and 30s and it falls apart very quickly by world war ii um in the post-war sort of jewish
02:27:03.020narrative of we of never again you know stands at sharp odds with sort of the black experience of
02:27:11.580we understand but you know bondage and lynching in our own struggles you know they're two separate
02:27:19.580things. And I think that post-war, the relationship really falters and falls apart. Although much of
02:27:28.440the Black infrastructure, so for instance, we'll get into it in a little bit, but the National
02:27:33.620Association for the Advancement of Colored People, the NAACP, is more or less spearheaded by Jews.
02:27:41.500And much to the anger of Black academics and Black thought leaders and activists at the time
02:27:47.720that would often very much complain that there were more, quote unquote, white people or Jews0.71
02:27:53.020in these offices than there were Blacks. That's true. And the NAACP is a great example because1.00
02:28:00.340you almost had to pry the NAACP from their cold, dead hands. They fought having a Black leader of0.99
02:28:08.100that organization for a long time. And the excuse was like, well, there's just no qualified people.
02:28:13.660you know but it's it's nearly every this will sound like a big claim because i'm gonna miss
02:28:19.660a few but i'd say most of the advocacy organizations for the liberation of black
02:28:25.260americans were like you said spearheaded by jews and only would welcome in black leadership and
02:28:31.620almost like in a sidekick position and it's things like would you say that these spearheaded
02:28:38.300jewish organizations were tokenizing the very people they were trying to help liberate absolutely
02:28:43.160And because, you know, this will sound like a line you've probably heard from the alt
02:28:48.060light from, you know, the center right people, but it's the racism of low expectations that
02:28:53.660they, that what the conservatives say about the bigotry of low expectations, soft bigotry
02:28:58.740of low expectations, George W. Bush famously said.
02:33:28.680with the disadvantages of the Negro in the United States and elsewhere.
02:33:34.520And so, although this does come with a fun footnote on the book,
02:33:37.820a little, you know, at risk here saying,
02:33:40.480the new york times once asked washington to name his favorite passage from shakespeare
02:33:44.040he selected shylock's hath not a jew eyes speech in the merchant of venice to washington shylock's
02:33:51.240plea on behalf of jews and brotherhood had an echo in the appeal blacks treated as men and brothers
02:33:56.620uh i can't get away from the merchant of venice that's a little wink and a nod to people in the
02:34:04.680future he knew what he was doing um you raised an interesting point there um and there's this
02:34:10.740becomes clear as you read the history of this element uh this this event i mean um it's
02:34:17.160interesting that in the jewish leaders of these organizations they had an affinity for i think
02:34:24.120what they saw as black intellectuals so you'd have a book d washington your w.e dubois um your
02:34:29.620marcus garvey's these were seen as guys who were uh you know they wouldn't say higher iq but they're
02:34:35.280more erudite they're more equipped and there was i believe uh the hidden story of this was sort of
02:34:41.320the bifurcation of the black community between this intelligentsia that was being actively
02:34:46.340courted by these organizations and then the rest of the black population and what becomes clear
02:34:54.080midway through the book is that bifurcation is what leads to the Black nationalist movement as
02:35:00.100we know it. Because most of that comes from the ghettos, that comes from the streets, that doesn't0.82
02:35:05.260come from the people graduating Howard University. And for people who don't know, the listeners who0.84
02:35:10.280don't know, Howard University, prestigious school, well-known school, Black school. A lot of the
02:35:15.480people in this book will come up through Howard University, and those are the preferred mouthpieces
02:35:20.860for these groups, while ignoring the material conditions on the ground, which never actually
02:35:27.900improve, really, despite most, you know, the laws are changed. A lot of the legislation is put
02:35:34.260before Congress and passes, but a lot of the black people notice nothing's really gotten better. And
02:35:39.960that essentially leads where we are today with the modern day black nationalist movement, in my
02:35:45.600opinion. Yeah, I would agree. And the same thing that will emerge out of this intelligentsia1.00
02:35:51.880is also something that, you know, you can still find in major American cities in Chicago and New
02:35:58.100York City are ethnic newspapers, whether it's like the Jewish Daily Forward, or very like the
02:36:05.080Freeman, right, like, especially after the South, and these, they will fight each other in the press,
02:36:09.960despite sort of with a cocked eyebrow and crossed fingers when they shake hands to work together on
02:36:15.580some issues. And you see this a lot towards the turn of the century when you're starting to see
02:36:21.020all of the like anti-Jewish pogroms out of Eastern Europe, and especially in czarist Russia,
02:36:27.400there's this, you know, wave of pogroms. There's also the Dreyfus affair in France, which, you
02:36:33.800know, very famously, Alfred Dreyfus was a French officer in the French military who was accused of
02:36:39.600leaking out, you know, intelligence and classified information, I think, to the Germans and
02:36:45.580You know, there was a big accusation that this was done solely because he was Jewish. This is not, I don't know enough about that to give you any more details than that. But, you know, at the same time, you know, you see all of these Jewish newspapers focusing on the international persecution of Jews.
02:37:04.360and at the same time you know at blacks that have been recently freed getting themselves0.99
02:37:08.840established they're looking at this thinking well we have shit at home that we need to worry about0.99
02:37:13.880like why are you guys carrying carrying so much about these issues if you're here in america you0.99
02:37:18.280should focus on the racism at home um precisely yeah kind of still happens today yeah well um and
02:37:26.020i'm gonna quote from the book here just one little line this ain't coming from me it's coming from
02:37:30.680him you raised a good point there about the newspapers in the book he mentions the jewish
02:37:34.760owned new york times hey it's from the book i didn't say that but that was one newspaper that
02:37:42.020had a lot of uh vitriol aimed at it from the black community because just like you said because
02:37:46.620imagine this you have these jewish owned newspapers that are advocating for black
02:37:52.460issues and and the news of the day and then uh like you said a pogrom happens in europe and it's0.92
02:37:58.660pulling the emergency brake and no one's talking about black people anymore so then black people0.92
02:38:02.780kind of take notice and this is encourages them to do their own thing but it also makes them
02:38:07.220wonder oh is this are we just a jewish interest and they start asking themselves that again and
02:38:13.260again over time some people might say unfairly the author of this book would say it's unfair to
02:38:18.040ask that question but you know another case later on is something like um the six day war in israel
02:38:24.660like that really sent shockwaves throughout every jewish publication out there and what you saw was
02:38:30.920them once something happens to jews in europe it almost recontextualizes and alters how they
02:38:37.840use the black liberation movement you know what i mean it's a it's a strange thing to say but you
02:38:43.180know it lends to the idea that and this is said by many of the black leaders later on it's like
02:38:50.040You're just using us as a vector for some larger thing that benefits you.
02:39:20.040no wonder why they arrested him. Um, but yeah. And I mean, anytime that something happens
02:39:27.980internationally as well, um, again, a lot of the black thinkers and black, you know,
02:39:33.800ethnic advocates will compare international events to things going on at home. Right. So like you had0.68
02:39:40.400the 1903, uh, pogrom in Kishinev where 49 Jews were killed, 500 were injured. Um, you know,
02:39:48.000Booker T. Washington spoke out on this, but at the same time, other black advocates were not so much in favor of this, especially because lynchings were still happening in the United States.
02:39:56.740And so one of the black newspapers said, Negroes are fleeing from the American Kishinev in Evansville, Indiana.
02:40:05.080The Freeman wrote bitterly on July 25th, 1903.
02:40:08.400Shall the Negroes go to the Tsar of Russia for protection, since neither the president of the United States nor the mayor of Evansville seems interested in protecting them?
02:40:18.000and you kind of and this is where again and the book also highlights this too especially during
02:40:22.400the cold war is the sort of ethnic third worldism bits that we still see being used by like the
02:40:30.200governments of russia and china today where they'll the soviet union famously pressured the
02:40:34.780united states on the international stage over the issues of blacks and later um also with israel as
02:40:40.640well it's very interesting to know that you know quite a few number of jews were killed by the
02:40:45.180Soviets as well. And during World War II and after the war that, you know, both of these issues would
02:40:51.400be used quite flagrantly by both sides on the world stage. Yeah. You know, it's interesting.
02:40:57.680This will, we might not get to this later on because there's a lot of notes here, but you
02:41:02.520kind of touched on one interesting thing there, which was throughout most of this time, at least
02:41:07.280until maybe the seventies, the sort of internationalist concern of these Jewish groups was
02:41:12.440not uh of the black uh people in the u.s that sounds like the black people but um one example
02:41:20.440from pulled later from the book was about and we're jumping ahead a bit here but this is just
02:41:25.920for that's okay this this con i don't think we're going to cover the entire book in two hours but i
02:41:30.280mean yeah you know that's okay there's certain things that jump out like one uh was the vietnam
02:41:34.840war so jewish groups largely communist groups were agitating against the vietnam war or in many
02:41:42.360cases coming out in favor of the North Vietnamese and advocating for the Viet Cong. But they found
02:41:48.720when they polled Black Americans, only 18% of Black Americans wanted a withdrawal from the
02:41:56.180Vietnam War. And that's just one example of despite what kind of became later, because
02:42:02.640third worldism did hit Black nationalism in the 70s. But from a lot of the time, Blacks were,
02:42:09.160they liked being american they didn't want this international thing they didn't understand0.98
02:42:13.740why you're giving a shit about things happening in europe this should be about america and it was0.97
02:42:18.880very difficult for a long time to drag black americans into this globalist position to care0.99
02:42:24.980about like the freedoms of the rest of the world they really just had immediate materialist concerns0.70
02:42:30.620most of the time and a lot of the issues that blacks were bringing to the table was just0.92
02:42:36.060segregation segregation up until like that was pretty much the main thing that jews are trying0.82
02:42:41.780to kind of get them off of and we'll get into martin luther king later but it was always just
02:42:45.980about desegregation but they couldn't elevate them past that for most of the time and that
02:42:50.980frustrated them i think well speaking of elevation i guess this sort of leads into one of the biggest
02:42:56.400parts that just i felt like i should have known this given the spaces or the circles i travel
02:43:03.880around but um i didn't and maybe shame on me or maybe youthful ignorance but you know the chapter
02:43:11.800two the origins of the black jewish alliance spends most of the time as we mentioned earlier
02:43:16.560on the naacp in 1909 the participants of this project were mainly from a group of upper class
02:43:23.160german jews and wasp performers inspired by the philanthropic and political ideals of the
02:43:28.020progressive era and a black group led by w.e.b. de Waugh this became the most important vehicle
02:43:33.320for racial progress in the next 50 years and it was the direct result of jews and blacks working
02:43:37.520together for common ends and i feel like the most important figure although murray friedman points
02:43:43.040him out to sort of be this footnote in history although he does not make that case in this book
02:43:47.680is the gentleman by the name of um and in fact they still have a medal named after after him
02:43:55.040in the is it is are we doing it yeah let's do it let's do it uh joel sprigham right that's his name
02:44:01.120yeah sping spingarn there we go oh i thought we're gonna do leo frank oh we could do that too
02:44:06.240but i mean um i i felt like you know joel spingarn being the guy that they had to pry0.89
02:44:13.340from his cold dead jewish hands the chairman of the naacp on multiple occasions0.57
02:44:20.700holding that position for decades yeah it was something i just didn't know0.80
02:44:25.900there were two groups at the time like there was one called the urban league
02:44:30.340which was a bit more integrated but the NAACP was notorious for not really being integrated at all
02:44:36.560like it was majority Jewish and that's like you know I'm kind of like you because I thought oh
02:44:42.100there's it might have been started by a Jewish individual at one point but like though it was
02:44:47.000like majority Jew the the for the advancement of colored people it was all Jews for like the
02:44:53.540longest time and that just I don't know like that still maybe people are used to that but that still0.87
02:44:58.900sounds kind of crazy to me yeah i mean i would have had no idea either and what's even more0.99
02:45:04.660interesting is that in the backdrop of these german jews that are really leading the charge
02:45:11.480on the naacp is that you have again inter-jewish fighting about well why are these high-minded
02:45:18.000wealthier german jews doing this when there are bigger jewish issues to focus on like let's look
02:45:24.100look at what's happening in eastern europe and you have all these different camps that's probably0.52
02:45:29.840the wrong word to use all these different groups of jews that are like arguing based upon their
02:45:34.200ethnic um and reformed versus orthodox ties all at the same time overheated issue you know yeah
02:45:41.680yeah sorry that might have been too subtle of like a camp riff
02:45:47.740odyssey odyssey yeah this might stay behind the paywall for a little bit before i release it
02:45:57.080yeah but i really do think the naacp the reason i think if there's one group to focus on it'll
02:46:02.580be that because what you'll notice is there's a plethora of other groups like this that spring up
02:46:08.600over the course of the decades uh but they all follow essentially the same model um they are
02:46:14.820at their heart jewish organizations and this is remarked upon by all these other black leaders
02:46:20.140who gained a sort of sovereignty as you get into the 70s and 80s um and it really at the time
02:46:27.080this is something okay i'm just going to say this before i forget because i found this so
02:46:32.540interesting and again jumping ahead whatever but there were absent any jewish involvement
02:46:39.760there were civil rights events happening throughout america so everyone probably knows
02:46:46.760about the rosa parks uh bus what would you call that protest whatever direct action crisis actor
02:46:53.980crisis actor yeah except everyone everyone knows that was a farce because it had happened before
02:47:01.300there were other cases where people had done it in fact um in some people might say baton rouge
02:47:07.600but i'm canadian so let's go baton rouge there is a similar protest going on on buses and what
02:47:16.880had happened was this was absent any jewish involvement it was just happening and black
02:47:20.920people were protesting that they were kept on the back of the bus that's racist segregationist
02:47:25.340and so over the course of various sit-ins i think they originated the sit-in if i i think the baton
02:47:33.040protests originated a sit-in that was copied by the other groups anyway but they had succeeded
02:47:39.280to a point where they had come to terms with the white establishment by saying okay all we're
02:47:46.060going to have is a couple seats at the front that are just for white people then the rest is a free
02:47:50.880for all essentially desegregating the buses with that one little caveat that you would have needed
02:47:56.140to get this through the southern aristocracy down there now that was interesting because like you
02:48:02.620know what that might not have been to modernize the perfect outcome but i'm like you know what
02:48:07.500that is an actual compromise that seems adequate and what had happened um as the the northern
02:48:14.360jewish groups came down they would step in and say not good enough not extreme enough so i just
02:48:20.580found that a striking example of you know blacks and whites in these areas were coming to terms0.51
02:48:26.260amongst themselves on the topic of desegregation but oftentimes it was these this intelligentsia
02:48:34.300coming from outside literally bussing people in to shake things up even more and to do more change
02:48:40.460and make more extreme change because and this third subheading of the book is that this like
02:48:47.280we said before blacks are just a vector for a larger social justice struggle it's about total
02:48:53.940equality and oftentimes it's about economic factors too so they're willing to like you know0.96
02:49:00.140play around in this black segregationist thing but they almost don't care if once they leave0.67
02:49:06.740blacks are better off like maybe they would have been better off if these protests were succeeded0.96
02:49:11.940more slowly across time and we wouldn't have these jarring changes that i think0.94
02:49:17.600giving people essentially social ptsd sense yeah absolutely and i mean you you also see
02:49:24.900there's a self-awareness as we mentioned earlier from blacks realizing that they are used for a
02:49:30.840much larger project of social egalitarianism as well as to like disrupt i mean they basically
02:49:38.440and again this is a vast generalization but murray seems to make the case in the book so
02:49:43.460don't go hearken after me here that more or less that jews took the issues of segregation lynching
02:49:50.660the clan etc as a springboard to tackle the issues of self-perceived you know imminent direct harm
02:49:59.400to jews in the united states so i mean under underpinning say like you know covenant rules
02:50:05.860inside of the law as well as appealing to like the supreme court over various issues which includes
02:50:11.800leo frank uh which i guess we can get into next but the thing like you know you see marcus garvey
02:50:17.080look at look at you know he you know the jews would you know defend themselves i guess or like
02:50:22.340spengarn himself he would say you know i really hope more blacks participate you know um i am
02:50:28.760tired of the philanthropy of rich white men towards your race he declared in one of his0.85
02:50:32.640early speeches to blacks i do not i want to see you fight your own battles with your own leaders0.68
02:50:36.900and your own money in 1914 he told the black audience we white men fellow whites um of whatever0.79
02:50:43.020creed or faith cannot fight your battles for you we will stand shoulder to shoulder with you until
02:50:46.540you can fight as generals all by yourselves um just interesting stuff but you know it is interesting
02:50:52.840and also like we had said before i think the real one of the real stories here is that once given0.92
02:50:59.400that power blacks do not fight the battles as generals that the jews want and yet and so they
02:51:05.780must re-enter into that you know what i mean like that's oh yeah frustration of the book is that why0.88
02:51:11.440are these black these aren't the battles they're supposed to fight they're supposed to be fighting
02:51:14.560for you know like they christ as early back as the 60s like there was these jewish communist groups1.00
02:51:21.680agitating for universal basic income through martin luther king it's the same shit that's0.84
02:51:28.120been going on for decades yeah again that's why i wanted to review this book with you after seeing
02:51:33.420the whole Kanye West thing I was like hey I've seen this episode before you know um whether it's
02:51:39.160Marlon Brando or Marcus Garvey you know like someone has you know started noticing things
02:51:44.360and gotten in trouble for it well and also I think an episode like this is so crucial because
02:51:49.940those examples just gave where there were generations past where this went without saying
02:51:56.760to uh the year the ears of millennials or zoomers you know this sounds like jarring shocking
02:52:03.240information but you would find boomers even a lot older gen x are like oh yeah obviously this went
02:52:09.300without saying this wouldn't get you in trouble saying this uh but now it sounds like almost a
02:52:15.220parallel reality where people are allowed to like talk openly about this yeah and again you know
02:52:22.000just this stuff you again like this book is written in 1995 i get that this is more of a jewish
02:52:28.040sort of ethnographic expression of their relationship to black america and but at the
02:52:35.120same time right like this was sort of like an openly said thing like yeah we we knew that jews
02:52:40.220were in xyz positions it just hasn't really been until i think rather recently at least in my
02:52:46.660limited time on this earth where that it's been really clamped down yeah and if i can't recommend
02:52:53.700people who are interested in this stuff i might be showing my hand here that i know so many of
02:52:57.780these books but um there's this great book by j.j goldberg titled jewish power inside the american
02:53:05.760jewish establishment again uh written by a jewish guy new york times bestseller glowing reviews from
02:53:12.860the former prime minister of israel you know it's it's a accepted book written in 1997 so it's very
02:53:18.820similar to this where they could speak openly the purpose of that book was essentially bolstering
02:53:24.100what we're talking about here which is that yes we have like there's something to the tune of 250
02:53:30.120jewish advocacy groups in the u.s i might be being conservative on that number too um but there's he
02:53:36.460will openly say yes we have these many advocacy groups the reason we have this is because uh the
02:53:43.420world is so hostile towards us for no reason like it's done i'm not trying to get off this book but
02:53:48.020just to give people the context here within this book jewish power he'll say yes we own the media
02:53:53.880yes we we took we hijacked the political infrastructure to for our own purposes but
02:54:00.300the reason is that everyone bullies us for no reason so they kind of he still manages to and
02:54:06.280as long as you blame it on the protestants you can kind of get away with saying stuff like that
02:54:10.760yeah as long as you blame it on the stock of the wasp bigots you're good to go but but that
02:54:16.380illuminates why this was happening to begin with because people will ask why are they even doing
02:54:20.600this why are they using blacks as a vector of this larger fight well it is because of you know
02:54:25.800ethno-religious self-interest you know it's because they feel as if they're a global minority
02:54:30.480they feel that they have a unique attunement to that identity and they almost want to drag other
02:54:39.340groups into that orbit that might have previously not seen themselves that way so there is a story0.90
02:54:44.620to be said here of you know the jews teaching radicalism to blacks through through communists
02:54:50.900and we'll get into this in a second but you know one of the red pills in this book is i think we0.89
02:54:55.480said this before but he essentially admits that i gotta stop saying essentially sorry but he
02:55:00.100basically says that all jew all communist groups in america were run by jews that and the uh there's
02:55:09.620a whole chapter on the black and jewish domination of the social sciences where we get to break down
02:55:16.020people like frank boaz and others so yeah just the point that the from the start people say is0.51
02:55:22.860this just an outgrowth of what their religion their ethnicity well no kind from the very beginning
02:55:28.340they're saying we are leftist and they use that word in this book leftist so there is a leftist
02:55:33.720political angle to this sorry i cut you off i would i will admit though that he is not as explicitly
02:55:41.860the author marie friedman despite this being editorialized in some places despite there
02:55:47.700being a ton of speculation i am surprised at how non-trashy he is towards wasp people yeah i mean
02:56:00.600like he obviously right like he's got the whole you know these quote-unquote like the secret jews
02:56:05.780right like you know people who were forced to convert to christianity in spain and so on but0.96
02:56:09.500like he's never he never goes out of his way to be like you know really shitting on jesus christ0.98
02:56:16.500which i was pleasantly surprised by although he does acknowledge that christianity of black0.93
02:56:22.360america would be an issue to a point where you know for most of post-civil war south in america0.93
02:56:29.220especially southern blacks you know jews were the nice carpetbaggers that would loan you credit but0.98
02:56:36.400you know they were also christ killers uh it was a weird bit of contradiction to exist and i mean0.99
02:56:41.360still exists today he's got a line in the book later on um in like the last third of the book
02:56:48.000and it is the only time i've heard him kind of do what you're saying but not really where he says
02:56:52.480that he was trying to excuse away black anti-semitism which was on the rise at the time
02:56:57.640in mid to late 60s and he was saying that most jewish leaders could explain that away due to
02:57:04.500what they felt were justified criticisms of the merchant relationship blacks of the economic
02:57:11.040relationship blacks had and he says and that's far different than you know the wasp anti-semitism
02:57:16.280he just leaves that there he just slaps that on the table and walks away and never yeah never goes
02:57:22.180back to it he says which is to say he thought black anti-semitism was just materialistic and
02:57:27.260justified and everyone else's was like in their dna yeah ethno religio reasons although it's
02:57:33.280interesting because in this and throughout the book like you see this as like an undertone right
02:57:38.060This is that this is where you begin to see the emergence, this leftist communist emergence of trying to use classic Marxist focus on economic dependency, economic determinism, the material conditions as a way to let some steam off as a pressure release valve on issues between blacks and Jews, especially in New York City.
02:58:03.940absolutely and and that really comes that comes in a sharper relief as you get in the 60s because
02:58:11.340like we said early early on it was really all segregation and then once things are desegregated
02:58:15.920they said well things still suck you know just like now it's like everything is has been legislated
02:58:22.140away and yet we still have ghettos and yet we still have projects that are built from bullet0.53
02:58:26.880holes uh so what what do we do with that so then they have to keep saying well maybe0.91
02:58:31.260maybe we need universal basic income maybe we need wealth redistribution and really like i said
02:58:37.980before the story of martin luther king and there's a lot to the martin luther king story we could get
02:58:42.920into i think all type has got a good video about that but yeah you know one of the things that
02:58:48.600becomes clear in the book is that um martin luther king essentially was a jewish puppet
02:58:54.880and that was a criticism levied against him by other people but he had these two
02:58:59.920like jewish almost handlers guys who pretty much wrote his autobiography they write they say that
02:59:05.820in the book that he didn't write his he didn't write really much of what he's he's you know we
02:59:10.120don't get into that he didn't write nothing martin luther king jr but um it was he was kind of this
02:59:15.880puppet of these two jewish individuals and as his career went on everyone thinks of martin luther
02:59:20.500king the i have a dream speech but a lot of people forget the tail end of his career when he was
02:59:25.640getting into essentially communist rhetoric and they were forcing martin luther king to abandon
02:59:32.820the race angle if you can believe that and go hard on economics and they had to really grind0.72
02:59:39.120him away to do that but a lot of these jewish intellectuals were getting black leaders0.61
02:59:43.980intellectuals to abandon race and go just for economics and anti-capitalism and that happened
02:59:50.800of the 60s yeah and at the same time right the um you also see like we talk about sort of like
02:59:57.760the reformed orthodox but you also begin to see the like light-skinned dark-skinned uh angle in
03:00:03.200here as well it's being played by both sides right like um you know joel spinger and hires
03:00:09.200walter white not breaking bad fame but who was rather a um uh you know a black but he was light
03:00:18.460skinned he was an attorney who could visit the scenes of lynchings and secure as much data as
03:00:24.100possible for publication um and he was just part of you know again sort of that interesting
03:00:30.100interracial inter you know reformed orthodox bit of judaism it's all at fight here there's
03:00:36.200i really recommend that you get a hold of this book you can find this on the archive0.99
03:00:39.720you can get a copy for relatively cheap for like 20 bucks or less on amazon um because we're not
03:00:46.240it's really worth your time actually reading this yeah and there's a couple other things
03:00:52.420like that stand out and i want to kind of get to them now because there's enough to talk about
03:00:56.940oh yeah but um one we may do a part two i don't know yeah there's one aspect that really stood
03:01:03.220out to me which was um again the the jewish groups involved in something that was going on already
03:01:09.660uh one would have been you know brown versus the board of education um and you know i'm not a keen
03:01:16.440legal mind in any sense of the phrase but i think a lot of people know about that it's about
03:01:21.520desegregating the schools but one comment he had made in the book was that you know the this this
03:01:29.240case was really pursued by these jewish groups to the point that a lot of black individuals
03:01:35.780residents of the area were hesitant to pursue such a radical thing and one thing that never
03:01:42.340occurred to me at the time but they said you know we don't want to have different schools we want to
03:01:46.160have integrated schools and a lot of black teachers didn't like that because they would be out of a
03:01:50.400job which makes it never occurred to me that how how often did integration have black teachers lose
03:01:58.600their jobs or how many you know what were the ramifications of that that meant worse material
03:02:04.600conditions on the ground for the black residents and like again another through line of this book
03:02:10.140is the african-american hesitancy to really embrace the radicalism until much much later0.52
03:02:17.920but early early on like you had these black people like saying okay we want change like we don't need0.60
03:02:21.940to go to war with america we don't want it we're still american like black people back then they0.63
03:02:27.660still liked america and wanted to be american and i think that was radicalized out of them over the
03:02:34.080decades. Yeah, I would agree with that wholeheartedly. And the book really does,
03:02:39.520you know, hit that really hard. I mean, you see this, especially in the relationship with
03:02:45.840union organization and other labor movements that were primely targeted by, you know,
03:02:52.360they had a strong coalition between blacks, but, you know, the few Jewish unions that already
03:02:57.180existed were the only ones willing to take them on. And then later, as blacks became more prominent
03:03:01.760and other labor movements in the country you saw a significant rise of the issues of like communism
03:03:07.360and like the federal government especially the fbi getting really concerned that there's something0.52
03:03:11.840going on there yeah also just uh side note this is just a little nugget of me being retarded but0.54
03:03:19.620i did laugh like there were so many unions back then it seems strange to you but i'm reading this0.71
03:03:24.820i'm like the carpetbaggers union what the what you know but there if you wanted to be like in
03:03:31.420charge of the unions there was unions for literally every vocation so that when people
03:03:37.100talk about you know fighting for unions like that was such a huge section of society and for like
03:03:43.720jewish interests to kind of be leading the charge for unions at that time like it's hard it's
03:03:49.700difficult to describe how much power that would have wielded um and i think early on this is why
03:03:55.700blacks could point to just say oh they're helping us they're helping us with our jobs with our
03:04:00.460employment and then they kind of moved on from that as time went on though oh yeah and i mean
03:04:06.020you also see a little bit of the paternalism that comes out of that in this text i mean consider
03:04:10.560some of the like we consider the link you know langston hughes of the harlem renaissance or more
03:04:15.360famously um you know james baldwin right where um like this is about um in the chapter about
03:04:23.780jews and blacks as allies in the arts and social sciences so if i i should have prefaced this at
03:04:30.900the very beginning but i'm going to say this this book is an unintentional red pill for those that
03:04:36.400are curious about a certain question on the other hand this book is also a really informative
03:04:42.320auto-ethnography more or less as to the jewish perspective of the civil rights movement and
03:04:48.000black liberation in the united states and it's incredibly well documented but for instance he
03:04:52.480talked about James Baldwin, the most, and you know, the efforts to make him the most widely read
03:04:56.420black author. Baldwin had moved beyond Jewish tutelage and the little magazines edited by Jews.
03:05:03.340In some respects, the experiences of black writers like Baldwin paralleled with that of blacks in the
03:05:07.840civil rights movement. Needing Jews as intermediaries with a broader culture, they initially0.59
03:05:13.240welcomed assistance, but once blacks had achieved leadership positions, Jews could be safely charged0.73
03:05:18.220with paternalism um and that is a charge that i think still exists very much today although it's0.94
03:05:24.500probably not paternalism anymore it's just like you don't you're going to keep the black man down
03:05:28.940yeah well because paternalism wouldn't really be taken as an insult you know if i can see them
03:05:35.840saying oh well it appears my superiority has caused some consciousness because really it's
03:05:42.760oh, so you're just trying to be too great
03:09:54.360a there's the paternalism from the intelligentsia sure but then there is the uh the merchants and
03:10:00.720when we say that we mean that oh uh it was funny that i was reading this and it said that uh jews
03:10:07.020were famous for opening department stores in the ghettos where no white businesses would open them
03:10:11.180and the blacks called them jew stores which is i don't just kind of funny to me that oh i'm going
03:10:16.700to the jew store to buy some gum you know uh can't do that these days uh but but there's always
03:10:23.200there's always from this like from the top down you're always a merchant you are a landlord and
03:10:29.200uh there's a very striking part later in the book and it's buried in my notes here because i'd be
03:10:34.420jumping ahead but i'm going to go for it i'm going to summarize it it's um i believe it was mlk and
03:10:40.480there was a protest going on in the south and it was a sharecroppers protest and um they were it
03:10:47.360something about wages something about unionization and i think it was one of the jewish organizations
03:10:53.540had advised them to not incorporate whites because in the sharecropping at that time
03:11:00.120you had whites working alongside blacks sharecropping you were working you were working0.98
03:11:04.720the field and so if that were generated from within from that area you might very well
03:11:10.620have had whites standing alongside blacks as sharecroppers, as workers, and then going out
03:11:17.340from that angle, but that's not good enough. That's not radical enough. We don't want these0.61
03:11:22.100whites involved. We want this to be a black story. And it's just another case of, in that instance,1.00
03:11:28.600that could have been a lateral partnership of sharecroppers, but you can't have that. You can't,
03:11:34.540you can only have this reaching down from above. And I guess I'm making the point that I think
03:11:39.680there might have been in certain instances more black white unity that happened organically and
03:11:45.760i think that was snuffed out to america's detriment yeah i probably and maybe i'm
03:11:53.760reaching on that but you know maybe i'm just well i don't know if you and this so this is going to
03:11:58.660pull from outside the book but i can't help but think of bertrand de juvenel wherein you have
03:12:05.140a new group which is successful financial well organized what you would call perhaps the
03:12:10.800aristocracy or just the the landed gentry that doesn't obey the king right they play by the0.98
03:12:16.800king's rules but they are the threat into juveniles model that the top the high the king always has to1.00
03:12:23.020look out for because if you can squeeze them out you squeeze out any opportunity for power
03:12:28.480because in times of revolution or in times of social change the middle or these other
03:12:34.080aristocratic groups are potential for your to succeed you and to overthrow you and so you do
03:12:41.320normally get a high low versus middle here where uh to prevent that from happening but in this
03:12:47.060instance it seems like the middle the sort of like tightly knit effectively run ethnic group
03:12:54.540you know utilized the ongoing problems of the lower classes primarily incoming eastern european
03:13:00.400immigrants of roman catholics and jews alongside blacks in america uh to sort of like establish
03:13:06.440themselves with their own needs to make sure that they're never taken out by the king or there's
03:13:10.660never a pogrom in the united states and they make those comparisons a lot and they also do the same
03:13:16.380thing during the up to the lead up of the second world war but also during it because one of the
03:13:21.920things that really sought me as interesting was that a lot of the black anti-jewish sentiment
03:13:26.040You know, they look towards the Axis powers for potential opportunities to govern and to rise up. I mean, there was a point in time where black leaders were calling Japan one of the places of a darker race. You know, they were calling them dark, you know, saying that they were allowed to have a proud, shining existence.
03:13:47.060it was just very interesting to see these like racial undertones in the backdrop of what
03:13:52.120oftentimes just gets labeled as a um you know is primarily like a jewish you know genocide
03:14:00.400in the face of like gentile white european forces while at the same time there's also this interplay
03:14:06.240about blacks going to war and that they they echoed a lot of the similar things about like0.77
03:14:13.120oh well don't participate in this war it's a jewish war and things like it's just the same0.55
03:14:17.380things that you hear today on twitter um in certain spaces you know we're being said out
03:14:21.620of the mouths of blacks like yeah 70 years ago exactly and to your previous point i've long said
03:14:27.800that the connection between blacks and anime has its roots in selma
03:14:32.880but yeah it's like and it's almost it wasn't blacks against america like we were saying before
03:14:42.460until much later it wasn't that you know why are we getting involved now there is it's almost
03:14:48.240impossible to separate the american black identity from third worldism and if i can say uh you know
03:14:55.100some credit to the author because i don't think he's a bad guy i don't think he's wrong on most
03:14:59.340stuff he mentions that i guess the third worldification of black identity politics
03:15:06.500occurred you know maybe this late 60s it certainly happened with jesse jackson he said but you know
03:15:12.960the the identification of black americans with minorities around the world against white
03:15:20.200individuals in america that didn't come until much later but i think once you do that like you
03:15:25.460i don't think you could find a black intellectual now that would make i mean somewhere on the way
03:15:31.820who's the guy uh who's the economist guy you know the one talking about basic economics the guy that
03:15:37.860thomas soul yeah thomas soul like you probably find like a thomas soul who not thomas sewell
03:15:43.220everyone thomas soul um you can tell because he's the one who's got soul uh but you know he would
03:15:49.400be probably a pro-american guy but you know i i it's hard to look at this story and not see like
03:15:56.640a complete separation from America period around this time as well yeah and I mean again there
03:16:04.260were just I took some pictures because I was just like huh that's interesting um like this one you
03:16:09.620know in pre-civil war America the views you know however a number of them especially veterans of
03:16:14.860revolutionary again that leftist undertone you know August August Bondi was one of the three
03:16:19.760Jews who assisted John Brown during one of his raids and it's funny because at the time of this
03:16:24.800recording i wrote an article called uh bleeding transes where i was referencing sort of the the
03:16:33.100violence of bleeding kansas and i think the irregular warfare that emerged from that and
03:16:37.400how i think the transgender question might lead to more irregular warfare with groups like rainbow
03:16:41.480reload and things like that and john brown is famous for not only the raid you know prior to
03:16:46.680the civil war trying to start a slave revolt but also that he was part of bleeding kansas as a
03:16:52.960radical abolitionist you know posse and little did i know that there was a connection there and
03:16:58.740i thought oh that's really interesting had no idea yeah should we get into leo frank briefly
03:17:05.680because i know yeah yeah a lot of people are familiar with this case but um i think the leo
03:17:12.300frank case is right around the birth of the naacp i think the leo frank case birthed the
03:17:19.580anti-defamation league if my history serves but the naacp was also deeply involved with that and
03:17:27.100i had a note here that leadership of the naacp was primarily white and protestant and jewish
03:17:32.560and their involvement in things was pretty minimal until the leo frank murder in 1915
03:17:39.540then jews became involved when they felt under threat um and then i think the leo frank case is
03:17:46.740really i don't know if it's ground zero for a lot of this but i a lot of people would point to
03:17:51.160that case specifically as birthing a cornucopia of jewish advocacy organizations and did you want
03:17:58.760to tell people what that was about because he actually he glazes over it in this book i'm not
03:18:05.260surprised that he glazed over it although i will say the interesting part that did come
03:18:10.260in his very it's like maybe three or five pages long he does not talk about this case
03:18:16.160very much what he does talk about that i found was particularly interesting was that again we
03:18:22.680talk about these quote-unquote jewish newspapers especially black papers that were calling out
03:18:27.040things like the new york times um and that during the leo frank case you know they hired a hundred0.90
03:18:35.180thousand dollars for a private investigator and try and clear frank's name but all these black
03:18:40.320papers were astounded that these mainly jewish-owned newspapers or white newspapers
03:18:45.220were pushing they didn't even name the black gentleman in question whose testimony was0.98
03:18:51.060necessary to get frank sort of you know arrested but they just said he was a heinous monster black0.69
03:18:56.800guy you know they never mentioned him by name but they denigrated him on like the national stage
03:19:00.800and international stage and it's just really interesting to see you know again when push
03:19:05.240comes to shove right my interest over your self-interest i'm picking me every time f you
03:19:09.300i've got mine yeah you know and for people who aren't familiar the leo frank case leo frank was
03:19:13.940the uh proprietor of a department store i believe in new york but someone could fact check me on
03:19:19.280that um and he was accused of murdering strangling i believe raping as well a young woman by the name
03:19:25.700of mary fagan um they found her in the basement of the department store and they they figured a
03:19:31.840black guy who did it like the janitor so a real green mile situation even though i don't really
03:19:38.820know what the moral of that movie is but then and he glazes over that in the book doesn't even
03:19:43.560really mention the black guy at all um but they also glazed over the fact that they were planting0.93
03:19:48.540evidence in this black guy's like garbage and they proved it and all the crazy behavior of this guy0.97
03:19:54.220but it's like every jew in the city united behind leo frank and that was a great division between0.99
03:20:01.720blacks and jews and eventually eventually leo frank was was james conley was the janitor's name
03:20:07.500yes and uh and this is someone made a point i'm probably stealing this from someone but someone
03:20:13.300made a point it's like and this happened in a very racist time so to get to get all these whites to
03:20:19.000be on the side of the black guy you must have been a real murdering rapist and he was lynched0.93
03:20:26.520afterwards because but this was it wasn't in new york it was in atlanta georgia yes okay so you're0.99
03:20:31.900in the you're in the heart of the south you're in the heart of one of the blackest and still is0.53
03:20:35.780the blackest city in the united states um and the whites were like i'm not buying it yes so that0.89
03:20:43.000also says that white people hey we're not so bad but this this was the case that to this day
03:20:48.360they still rally around they rally around the image of leo frank as unjustly killed because i
03:20:54.640forget where how did i think he was on parole or he wasn't accused or something or some miscarriage
03:20:59.920of justice and people decided to take maybe it was a black mob i didn't really say anyway the
03:21:05.620book really like i said glazes over that and it's like oh yeah well this of course they would
03:21:10.000every jew would feel it in their bones that they're under threat i'm like this this ain't the0.87
03:21:15.220guy this ain't the guy white people were okay with throwing a bad white under the bus you got0.95
03:21:21.100to be able to do that if you can't do that and pack it up and go home yeah i mean like to take
03:21:28.300a look at here like the black owned chicago defender in a manner reminiscent of the amsterdam
03:21:32.300news headline many blacks no jews arrested in crown heights almost 80 years later declared0.66
03:21:37.120jews raise millions to free frank and put blame on innocent man more restrained the naacp's crisis
03:21:43.380and executive secretary james weldon johnson expressed resentment and what they saw as an
03:21:47.540organized effort to implicate conley simply because he was black um you know at the same time
03:21:53.260right just a pause for people yeah go for it the everyone just really appreciate this the naacp
03:21:58.840the national for the advancement of color people going against the black guy like that that just
03:22:05.200needs that's all you need to know about the leadership of this organization and i mean
03:22:10.640again right you had uh this is again this is i'm going to read the short paragraph here
03:22:16.240the trial was a mob scene as angry cries of death to the jew from white militants outside
03:22:21.040the courthouse reverberated with an earshot of the judge and jury in this explosive atmosphere
03:22:25.000Leo Frank's lawyers responded to the intemperate outbursts of Georgia's most powerful populist
03:22:29.840leader, Tom Watson, who is in his weekly Jeffersonian magazine, repeatedly demanded0.95
03:22:37.460the execution of that filthy perverted Jew from New York with attacks of their own in the key0.99
03:22:42.240prosecution witness. Who is this man, James Conley? One of Frank's attorneys rhetorically asked. He0.99
03:22:47.820was a filthy, you know, dirty, black, drunken, lying inward. Frank also wondered how the testimony1.00
03:22:54.540of a southern white woman of an unteachable character who spoke on his behalf could be1.00
03:22:58.860disbelieved while the perjured vaporings of the black brute alone could be accepted as whole truth0.93
03:23:04.240so when push cams to shove right um you know racism is the defense yeah um and especially0.98
03:23:12.420with i'm trying to find the page here because there's a yeah just around that part you were
03:23:16.940just quoting um the frank episode initially threatened the fledgling partnership between
03:23:22.360blacks and jews the new york age was critical of frank supporters who thought who sought to place
03:23:27.040the blame for mary fagan's murder on the black handyman and it goes into detail here about
03:23:33.340just to establish this for people the scale that the jewish you know uh we're talking dejuvenelian
03:23:41.020sort of stuff that entire middle section you had advertisers coming on leo frank's side you had
03:23:46.620banks coming to leo frank's side politicians artists like the entire elite of the city coming
03:23:53.420to leo frank's defense and pouring money into it and just the sight of that i really think
03:23:59.660probably rubbed black people the wrong way because it's it's it really you know in a lot of ways like
03:24:05.360covid like a lot of things like it shows what where the machinery of this thing actually is
03:24:10.720and it revealed itself and people you know i don't think anyone forgot that i think i think you know0.97
03:24:16.000a lot of the jewish groups they do themselves a disservice by still putting leo frank's fucking0.96
03:24:21.120face on a coin yeah and i mean it what 69 years of silence you know where it said conley in the0.98
03:24:30.340body of mary fagan in his arms that day in april 1913 even though conley's claim was that you know
03:24:37.440he was ordered to put the body away by leo frank but i don't want to relitigate this case i feel
03:24:42.460like there are much better channels that have probably all you gotta do relitigated that go
03:24:47.280look up leo frank look at his face you tell me that doesn't look like a murder and rapist case
03:24:51.960closed next physiognomy check next um raper eyes but yeah and again after that trial though that's0.51
03:25:01.300what this is the key question that i think highlights the motivation which is ethnic
03:25:07.140self-preservation in what i would argue is a rather schizophrenic but realistic idea that
03:25:13.840the world is out to get you um would a european style persecution of jews now be imported into
03:25:20.380american life out of these concerns arose renewed interest and involvement in racial conciliation
03:25:25.620efforts in a footnote to the case indicative of its effects lewis marshall joined the board of
03:25:30.920the naacp and served on its legal defense committee some years later in a letter to
03:25:34.920the association's president he wrote that he was glad thereby to make amends for any previous0.98
03:25:39.180neglect to the black community i just again this is where you begin to see like oh shit we can be0.96
03:25:44.520targeted we might as well take advantage of existing infrastructure the naacp and also you0.98
03:25:50.940know eventually the adl just it's interesting for yeah purely historical reasons yes um i gotta
03:25:59.200love notes here i'm trying to think if i want to get off the leo frank thing i think i got it
03:26:03.080because um we're a little pressed for time yeah because i do need to get going shortly
03:26:11.700because i do have a crying baby upstairs uh one day he'll listen to this and understand
03:26:18.780that'll be weird one day to be like you know kid i was once a niche micro internet celebrity
03:26:27.000and now i'm i named him kid now i'm a billionaire anti-semite um but but also one thing you had
03:26:36.220mentioned there before was how much um these jewish intellectuals appealed to their own
03:26:42.760biblical background like i have a note here of marvis garvey talking about um why he's so
03:26:48.180interested in jews because of exodus you know the biblical exodus was was sitting at i think at the
03:26:54.900heart of this relationship as well and um the book quotes very often from uh the the black
03:27:01.000periodicals that we were mentioning earlier there's quite a few of them and you know it's
03:27:07.060if you're viewing this in modern times you would think it was like a a psyop of some kind it's like0.98
03:27:12.360why are all these black guys talking about biblical exodus you know it just seemed like
03:27:16.620that was the word on every you know black advocate's mouth at that time but you know i i think0.68
03:27:21.960that was kind of a sign that they're kind of just this is the line you go with you know don't you
03:27:26.600want to exodus from america um and i don't think they early on recognize that that's kind of what
03:27:32.860they're at like don't you want to separate from america and they just saw that as oh you're kind
03:27:38.220of beings exercising self-determination you know yeah and i mean this is also where you get to begin
03:27:45.440And what emerges is the natural sciences sort of emerge here.
03:27:52.460Like, yeah, W.E. Dubois famously talk with German-Jewish anthropologist Frank Boas and the discussion of, you know, race science and anthropology and what that really means.
03:28:08.740And this is where you begin to see, like, the deconstructions of race and the understanding of racial characteristics.
03:28:14.840and this is you know years before right like genetics and iq and the bell curve memes get
03:28:19.660posted but i mean this is at a time where they're trying to you know dissuade that actually no there
03:28:24.460may be innate intel or mental differences between like whites blacks and jews and in fact we you
03:28:31.080know we're all innate in this place we're all equal yeah there's speaking of science there's
03:28:37.460i'm gonna scroll through my notes here but i read this not long ago so i'm gonna get the name
03:28:43.280mistaken but uh like you said they were entering into science around this time and doing tests
03:28:48.640and there's a lot of faulty science that was uh emerging during this time and one specific
03:28:53.800experiment and this was used to argue for essentially white supremacy in america they
03:29:01.140would do they would do tests on black people black children and you've probably seen this
03:29:06.400in comics i think there's like some red pill comics that had this where it's like you give
03:29:10.380a black child and a white child dolls of different races and they found according to the data that
03:29:17.840when a black child was given a black doll they thought it was ugly or mean or evil or something0.95
03:29:23.760like that and they said oh my god this means that the entire education system is poisoning black0.96
03:29:30.720minds against themselves and this this was a big deal and this this was such a landmark study that
03:29:37.340it influenced legislation but later on and the name of the gentleman it's a black guy who did0.92
03:29:42.740the study uh basically admitted later that was bullshit and that they said well we when we did0.98
03:29:48.360the study in the south and we gave black kids black dolls they liked them more than the white0.97
03:29:53.420one because why wouldn't they right if they have any sort of self awareness of self at that age
03:29:59.020anyway but you know just as an example that there was bad science being done at this time0.79
03:30:05.100that was being latched upon by these jewish organizations and used to influence legislation0.68
03:30:10.040that was just completely not scientific at all it was wrong but i really do think a lot of the0.51
03:30:17.100current day arguments for white supremacy like brainwashing black people against themselves0.96
03:30:22.840can be traced back to this time with just junk science and just never goes away a lot of these0.97
03:30:29.240these studies people kind of parrot them but you know no one ever knows that it was just
03:30:33.980a bad sample size you know yeah i mean this is also where you get the um sort of what i would
03:30:41.100call like the stephen pinker sort of like there's one race the human race enlightenment now evolution
03:30:47.120is good type of arguments because i mean in his most influential work the primitive man
03:30:51.600published in 1911 boas lays out a central proposition we have found that the unproved
03:30:56.920assumption of identity of cultural achievement and mental ability is founded on an error of
03:31:00.900judgment that the variations in cultural development can as well be explained by a
03:31:04.980consideration of the general course of historical events without recourse to the theory of material
03:31:09.600differences of mental faculty in different races a similar error underlies the common assumption
03:31:16.040that the white race represents physically the highest type of man anatomical and physiological
03:31:20.800considerations do not support these views um end quote but he goes on later in saying in an article
03:31:27.280titled what is race published in the nation in 1925 boas rejected the idea that race consciousness
03:31:32.900and racial hatred reflected instinctual drives in the human nature each race contained so many0.95
03:31:38.860variations he argued that it was impossible to generalize them i'm gonna call bullshit0.51
03:31:44.480i i don't mean to be that guy but to me it really does seem like everyone's got an in-group bias
03:31:51.960there's more than enough evidence that backs this up but imagine that being sort of like a dominant
03:31:56.460political position for like almost a century you know um i mean it still kind of is echo today
03:32:03.080like there aren't any differences that we're all kind of the same we can all just get along we just
03:32:06.860have race racism manner it's all about my material conditions as classic marxists would say and it's0.83
03:32:12.740just a lot of this really does come down to these relationships between black jewish intellectuals0.61
03:32:17.760yeah once science becomes welded onto politics it's almost never removed another example people0.98
03:32:25.520might be familiar with would be you know sigmund freud gets a lot of shit sigmund freud did a lot1.00
03:32:30.800of good stuff but there there's still people out there who think oh everyone wants to fuck their0.99
03:32:37.020mom or their dad or something or you know the kinsey report and that was a famously bad bad0.99
03:32:43.340sort of report that purported to prove that everyone's secretly a huge pervert and he just
03:32:49.500had a really really bad sample size for that but it seems that once the bad science makes its way
03:32:55.480into the hands of a politician and gets mentioned like it never leaves the culture it's never
03:33:01.120exiled later on and so we're still here because it got these bad studies were grabbed upon by
03:33:08.220advocacy groups and put in front of some politician and said and now we're just still it's like in the
03:33:15.020spirit of us and we can never get rid of these weird prejudices that's kind of metaphysical i'm
03:33:20.360going into weird areas well i mean but it's very true i mean even to this day right we still echo
03:33:27.060debunked or junk science that we still you know take as common fact and i mean i think that that's
03:33:34.640also in the fact that we're in the wake of new atheism that was trying to reconcile this junk
03:33:39.020science and it's sort of you know god not real dinosaur bone you know we can all get along
03:33:45.800sentiments of the early aughts but i mean again it really does illustrate that this is where we
03:33:51.700begin to see like black history like becoming a more firm political department that was supported
03:33:58.860by like jewish intellectuals and that the bulk of sociology psychology psychoanalysis you know
03:34:07.900in the 1930s these were all in anthropology were all finally being called out quote-unquote as jew
03:34:13.040science um which is partially the reason why in the fall of 1933 frank boas like tries to team
03:34:21.040up with like other black leaders and other jewish leaders how do we combat the nazis this is very
03:34:27.480interesting tidbits of history that again like if you were to read like the jewish daily forward
03:34:33.320or the jewish people's daily you're you're gonna look at these things like you mentioned earlier
03:34:37.700like oh all these people in the banks and the media and hollywood and television and you know
03:34:42.360and to someone who's kind of got questions that they want to ask um and this book treats it very
03:34:47.660much is like no we did these things and we did it for our own benefit and here's why yeah and it's
03:34:54.000like because they were gonna kill us that it always comes down to that in the book they'll say
03:34:58.140well if we didn't do this of course they would try and kill us because everyone always tries to kill0.99
03:35:01.900us you know and then but it's mainly mainly the europeans who try to do that blacks can be0.92
03:35:08.000forgiven um and to this day like even with the kanye west thing you'll notice um and i hope that
03:35:13.840that's not too dated by the time this airs but you will still see even from the most aggrieved0.68
03:35:19.240jewish voices that same paternalism where he doesn't know what he's saying he's just mentally
03:35:25.180ill it seemed impossible for them to listen to connie west and believe that he was genuine0.85
03:35:32.720and believe that he actually knew a thing or two about he was talking about and i thought that
03:35:39.080what i don't want for people is to lose that because you know with the kanye west you know
03:35:45.400anti-semitism debacle it's easy to take one of many different sides on that like i always hated
03:35:51.660him i always liked him he's right he was i'm not going to get into that but pay attention to
03:35:56.000how he was treated um you know they tried to take everything away from him but i don't
03:36:00.880think they ever really took him seriously what i think they were scared of was kanye west
03:36:07.840invigorating white people um and that's so that is just to say that to this day i don't think and
03:36:15.320some people don't care about that some people are listening like good yeah why would they but0.95
03:36:18.420you know to this day jews still see they still essentially see black people like animals in my0.97
03:36:23.980opinion or just dopes who they don't know what they're doing and they're just evolving their1.00
03:36:28.680ways to you know manipulate them in my opinion yeah i i would think that that maybe that was
03:36:34.380the biggest takeaway out of the kanye west thing so i looked at it and as someone who knew a little
03:36:40.540bit about you know like louis farrakhan and you know non-jewish actors and actresses and singers
03:36:47.920in hollywood and even people like spike lee that had you know a not so easy relationship with jews0.97
03:36:53.180this is nothing new but in an age where it's easy because again this is something that i will i will1.00
03:37:00.200admit i'm on the record saying the liberals were right in 2016 2015 2017 when they said there was
03:37:07.840a youtube to like alt-right pipeline that is true and there are a million of people that i can think
03:37:13.640of and i'm exaggerating but there are dozens and hundreds of people i can think of that if you were
03:37:19.180to ask them how they got started in this like political scene of theirs it's not because they
03:37:23.600read like you know the the turner diaries it's because they they listened to jordan peterson or
03:37:28.820carl benjamin and wanted more and you know at the time that was an option for them nowadays it's not
03:37:34.980as a little more difficult but you can find them um and i think that that was their concern that
03:37:39.820you know this popular guy who famously went from george bush doesn't care about black people to
03:37:44.420you know christ is king and stuff like that i could imagine that that was the primary concern
03:37:50.460like they don't want this as a social contagion coming out um but you know lo and behold probably
03:37:56.060some threats some conditioning and a little bit of jonah hill was all that they needed to shut
03:38:00.660it down but well you mentioned the christianity thing which is a part early in the book was him
03:38:07.080outlining how jewish leaders thought that christianity was forced upon black america so
03:38:14.260that was something they felt they needed to unwork that christianity was not natural to this group of
03:38:20.100people and if there was any anti-jewish sentiment it must have come from this must have come from
03:38:25.260as christians yeah basically that's what they were saying and so i think it was puzzling to them over
03:38:30.760time why that stayed around and with connie west it must be said again that his criticisms are
03:38:36.800nearly identical to the criticisms that were coming out of black entertainers in the 50s the
03:38:41.62040s the 60s you know almost line for line you know um and maybe that's the an evidence that0.76
03:38:47.680they just haven't evolved their rhetoric but the fact of the matter is like they're complaining
03:38:51.960about what jewish record label owners and that's you know most rappers now have something you know
03:38:58.440a thing or two about that in their songs but you know a lot of it was you know this is their lived
03:39:04.360experience that the relationship that i think a lot of black entertainers to this day none of this0.98
03:39:10.780has been resolved i guess that's a good summary of this is that you know what happens to the black
03:39:16.020jewish alliance like it was a very short amount of time nothing has changed and and like you had
03:39:22.500said about the youtube to outright pipeline the reason people like this stuff is because it
03:39:27.660everything snaps into focus once you know this once you read like where do these arguments come
03:39:32.400from where these positions come from oh they haven't changed since 1930 nothing's nothing's
03:39:39.340changed and there there has been in i guess in in recent era there have been this sort of like
03:39:44.940working class jewish lateral collaboration with blacks but i don't think so i think if you ask
03:39:51.420your average you know black individual they will look at jews not as someone on their level and
03:39:57.020especially if you go to the south and i think uh the book points out that the south was a very
03:40:02.780important battleground to these jewish groups because they themselves were foreigners there
03:40:08.140and they were interfacing with a relationship they didn't understand they didn't understand0.95
03:40:13.340the relationship between blacks and whites in the south and to this day i still don't think they do
03:40:19.020and i think they're probably confused at because they they have this idea of the south the american
03:40:25.960south as just this bigoted racist place and i'm sure it is to some respect but it's almost i think
03:40:33.740your average black person would accept white bigotry over jewish paternalism and that's the0.92
03:40:40.080claim i'm gonna make and people can argue with me on that but i think a lot of people on our side
03:40:44.620will know that's true if they've engaged with them before yeah and i mean this and the question
03:40:50.680about these these these tropes and debates and relationships gets even more interesting as
03:40:58.500you look at the post-1948 position over israel and i i'm skipping over the the civil rights
03:41:08.360movement i think we i think there needs to be a part two uh if you're okay with that dime yeah
03:41:12.220oh absolutely because i got so i got notes for days but i really wanted to focus on the issue
03:41:19.280of of zionism and palestine real quick because this is something that i think it's really
03:41:23.760overlooked because we do focus a lot on say people like i think this will be a good place to end on
03:41:27.960because yeah this really kind of ties it all together yeah and so again there's a lot of focus
03:41:33.520on, say, the early 30s, the NAACP, Leo Frank, ADL, Martin Luther King. And we'll definitely
03:41:40.540get into the Civil Rights Movement. That's for part two. But I want to focus on, like,
03:41:44.480chapter 16 is called Garvey's Ghosts, because, you know, Marcus Garvey is famous for instituting
03:41:50.880the Back to Africa movement. You know, if the Jews have this idea of Zionism, and there's,
03:41:56.580again, this book really iterates that Black advocacy groups were looking to the Jews as a
03:42:02.160model well marcus garvey the sort of black separatist and nationalist who didn't think
03:42:06.560that you could get along with whitey um and to some extent probably has been vindicated by that
03:42:10.840i think in a large respect because into the when we get into the civil rights bit harold saltzman's
03:42:16.220race war in high school is an excellent you know uh accompanying text but they were like okay well
03:42:22.540if you know they can take over the middle east or have like a global you know jewish sentiment
03:42:27.540why can't we have one for black african pan-african sentiments across the world as well
03:42:33.700and you know there were some that were really adamant garvey being one of them about taking
03:42:38.380a special interest in the fate of the palestinians and one of the biggest things that this book talks
03:42:44.680about is the andrew young affair um so andrew young um for those who don't know was the 55th
03:42:53.080mayor of Atlanta. He was the 14th ambassador of the United States, ambassador to the United
03:43:00.360Nations. He was also a member of the House of Representatives in Georgia for some time before
03:43:06.260being nominated for this position by Jimmy Carter. Now, famously at this time, you know,
03:43:16.080this is during an issue about advancing a settlement deal with Robert Mugabe and Joshua
03:43:22.480Nukomo, as well as the rebel leaders in the Rhodesian Bush War, which ended in 1979,
03:43:28.560which would lead to the formation of the Republic of Zimbabwe. But the thing that got him in the
03:43:33.680most trouble was, of course, dealing with Palestine. And this book does not offer a very
03:43:41.700pretty picture and says that what they call the Andrew Young affair, and this is cited in the
03:43:47.800book and it's cited by other Jews, particularly in Commentary Magazine, which used to be a very
03:43:52.160jewish uh paper which again not my words murray friedman's not mine but he says that you know
03:44:00.380no episode in contemporary american history has been marked by greater outpouring of animosity
03:44:04.860against jews in the events which followed andrew young's resignation as the united states ambassadors
03:44:09.720the united nations the black leaders who rallied a young side portrayed him as a victim of a
03:44:14.380concerted jewish campaign to oust him from his post um as a result of meeting with zedi terzi
03:44:19.940of the Palestinian Liberation Organization,
03:44:22.880a meeting which violated the American agreement with Israel