Blood Satellite - N Hosers Combating Anti-Drunk-Driver Racism [“are astroturfed here to a cosmogonical chapter in”]

00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be a

00:00:07.840 blood satellite i'm doing this thing i'm trying out a new thing where i'm drinking coffee

00:00:22.300 right before the show it's like 8 p.m though yeah but i guess you're up all night anyways

00:00:28.000 right yeah i'm not i don't i'm not sleeping yeah and i kind of like not sleeping so out come the

00:00:35.440 copes here we go i like it no you know what it's i should have done i was doing this already that's

00:00:41.180 the reason i had a kid because i didn't want to sleep i wanted to have something scream in my

00:00:47.440 face and not really know what's going on like i i told my wife i'm like like what can we do to get

00:00:53.600 that and then she it's her idea to come up with a baby actually see we did goats and at first we

00:00:59.660 tried goats in the house but that didn't work that well so we did kids as well kids um so i'm

00:01:07.320 having coffee and so how do you like your coffee first of all um just a just a dash of cream that's

00:01:15.120 it not a lot of cream like if you imagine the creamers like the dairy creamers like less than

00:01:20.140 that all right i got one for you get a black and add a little treat treat for myself i'm talking

00:01:28.260 cinnamon cinnamon talking a little bit of sugar and sometimes if you go at the right time the 0.99

00:01:34.080 guy would a free trade cocoa and you best believe i'm putting all that shit in there you're going 0.96

00:01:39.520 out for this coffee i go to the counter and i say you know they got the stir sticks over there do 0.98

00:01:44.280 you have candy canes six times out of ten they do see i don't think i've had a coffee that wasn't

00:01:50.120 hasn't prepared in my own plastic drip coffee maker in many years that's all i drink is my

00:01:57.180 and i will drink it all day i'll put it in a carafe like my or like a thermos and i'll have 0.98

00:02:02.000 that shit there all day and that's what i'll drink you seem like a guy who would drink coffee out of 0.99

00:02:06.180 a tire i would i would my wife gets mad at me she's looking at me right now rolling her eyes 0.99

00:02:11.980 because like i'll come home it's like been nine ten hours and i'll drink the cold coffee i won't

00:02:17.900 heat it up because like if you heat it up it will taste burnt but if you drink the cold coffee out

00:02:21.760 of the carafe oh so you're drinking the cold coffee you want the coffee right now i'm like

00:02:25.940 no i have an open beer amazing but i will you know what no i do want a cup of cold coffee from

00:02:31.700 this morning you are drinking the cold coffee i am i'm drinking the cold coffee and it's not

00:02:39.000 iced coffee don't confuse it it's just coffee that's cold because it's been sitting out since

00:02:43.660 this morning and it's it's attracted all the flies is going to attract the flies are dead

00:02:48.540 doesn't attract flies does it attract flies i thought those were like i thought that was the

00:02:53.540 grit so let me just ask you something do you see my audio here is it speeding past for you

00:02:59.380 um no i mean it's like it's uh no it's not okay it's just my weird thing it doesn't matter

00:03:07.300 um so yeah i got my treat coffee you know candy you know the problem is like you go to a place

00:03:14.280 and you ask about candy canes if it's a brown guy they don't if that restaurant doesn't have it

00:03:18.740 the restaurant the cafe rather then if it is if you're talking to a white guy he will have one on

00:03:23.560 him i think white people are kind of a treat a treat enjoying people would that be fair yes

00:03:30.340 my wife just unironically brought me a cup of this morning's cold coffee so i know thanks 0.73

00:03:36.900 thanks so much now would you call this cope feed though yeah because like you're acting like i like

00:03:43.620 it right yeah you do but anyways to answer your question nobody nobody understands this but white

00:03:50.860 boys do be walking around with candy in their pocket we're very like when i break down the

00:03:58.660 races and sub races of man i'm thinking of white people as the treat guys i think that's fair to

00:04:05.900 say yeah i mean it's white i mean white women more white old ladies walking around with like 0.98

00:04:12.240 what their their body man man man there's originals in their i got i gotta slap a bear 0.98

00:04:18.400 trap on your ankle for that one i think old white ladies that got two two speeds of candy 0.99

00:04:25.140 and both of them are fucking bad werther's originals are good in small doses if that's 0.99

00:04:29.480 your entire identity you had to be taken out to the fucking woodshed 1.00

00:04:34.120 white women white women can't do candy they overthink it they get licorice all sorts because 1.00

00:04:41.220 it looks complicated it looks like an expensive all sorts oh no yeah they don't have to enjoy 0.98

00:04:48.740 they don't women don't know how to enjoy a reese's peanut butter cup i'll say that now 0.98

00:04:53.160 we'll say that tomorrow but but not anytime after that because i don't believe it that much

00:04:57.640 today and tomorrow yesterday kind of i literally have a white man candy story from today i without

00:05:06.540 even thinking about it i had to go to the bank and my kids and my wife are at the park and i'm like

00:05:11.740 i'll pop into the old the old max and pick up a whatever what is this a butter butter butter oh

00:05:18.520 here's what let me just say to people at home you're doing the white man thing which is i'm

00:05:22.420 gonna go and buy a treat for myself and not for my family no it was the other way around i i bought

00:05:28.680 it for my family i put it in my in the inside jacket pocket and then as i'm walking with them

00:05:33.360 later i'm like oh hey you guys want some of this and then i pulled it out so for them from their

00:05:39.380 perspective it was that so what was it they got again it's a new thing i haven't seen it's a 0.94

00:05:44.540 a really big oh henry bar but it's got a i couldn't i didn't even read the fucking label 0.76

00:05:49.920 it's got something kind of like a butter tart flavor like uh like uh it's buttery but it's 0.87

00:05:55.680 also like a custard or something it's really good they've been really acting out of pocket with uh

00:06:01.480 chocolate bars these days now i go in to buy a reese's peanut butter cup a regular old fuddy

00:06:07.620 duddy thing and they got ones with chips in them now yeah and the original ones have gone downhill

00:06:12.680 they're like misshapen they're the peanut butter's not centered it's embarrassing chocolate's been 1.00

00:06:17.140 hot dog it a bit too much these days it's the chinese man the chinese are i i i'll pin them 0.88

00:06:23.120 somewhere i know they're in there somewhere i just don't know where you know what it is the chinese

00:06:27.400 it's either china or israel for whatever

00:06:35.620 israel's at the very bottom of the barrel but you got to go through the chinese to get to israel

00:06:41.140 It's the dual poles of dissident right thought, Israel, South, China, North. 0.57

00:06:47.600 And we just rotate on that axis.

00:06:50.400 The dynamo of alt-rightism.

00:06:53.780 I think I want to rant.

00:06:56.720 Okay.

00:06:57.160 Dare I?

00:06:58.200 I'm ready for it.

00:06:59.020 I'm ready.

00:06:59.420 I got my gloves up.

00:07:00.780 So I'm kind of in a baby mood because, you know, I just, I fled the scene just a few

00:07:07.860 minutes ago.

00:07:08.420 uh we were feeding the baby and um so he's doing this thing i'm trying to outsmart my son and i'm

00:07:15.600 learning it's very difficult to outsmart a baby so he'll feed for a while like breastfeeding and

00:07:22.420 then he'll get tired he'll fall asleep and but he's not feeding for long enough so we know like

00:07:27.980 he's going to be hungry in a minute so but you don't want to wake him up either like like when

00:07:32.000 you try and get him awake and jolt him awake he can but then i used his own logic against him so

00:07:37.120 i actually took him put him in the bassinet my wife was still back there waiting he woke up doing 0.96

00:07:42.740 his his fucking trickery that he always does which is waking up just as we put him down i say hi yoink 0.98

00:07:48.460 right back over there humiliation i thought i had a good bit of spy craft then you know i bring him 0.99

00:07:56.640 back to my wife and he immediately projectile vomits all over her and i looked him straight

00:08:03.320 in the eyes i said hey touche and then i said i said i gotta i gotta go do the show

00:08:11.020 i got i'm look i'm tapping my wrist i'm not wearing a watch i'm not i'm barely clothed right

00:08:18.500 now you got like 758 759 every thursday you just she's doing something else and you run through 0.86

00:08:27.880 and drop the baby and then i i dropped an entire nagasaki right in her an irradiated and nuked 0.75

00:08:34.680 nagasaki right in her lap and said you know i looked at him i said it's yes it is it's fun to 0.85

00:08:39.640 prank mom and he's gonna puke on me but i kind of ricocheted over to her um what would that be 0.54

00:08:47.120 the reverse human shield what what do you call that i don't know would a reverse would a reverse 0.79

00:08:54.500 human shield just be an assassination yes i found the assassin about to shoot someone instead of

00:09:03.880 deflecting it i grab the gun and shoot the person i moved the the bullet was going to miss and i 1.00

00:09:10.760 moved them into the into the trajectory what do you call that well a motherfucker is what you call 0.99

00:09:16.940 that all right so it got me thinking about you know sometimes i like to chart my progress on 0.97

00:09:26.700 becoming a family man um and there's something i i hesitated to bring this up but maybe some

00:09:32.820 people can relate maybe you can relate i don't think you can though because you've got a good

00:09:36.300 family um but i'm increasingly frustrated with my family re uh this baby um and that includes

00:09:45.700 my side of the family that includes my in-laws as well um my the my son is just under a month old

00:09:54.740 um and so we're at a pretty good place we're still there's good days and bad days uh like you

00:10:00.480 had said nothing was as hard as that first week it's still hard but it's it's it feels like these

00:10:07.140 are problems to be solved and not like an overwhelming you know throw you in the deep end

00:10:11.080 thing but uh one thing i've noticed is i'm increasingly frustrated with my family because

00:10:17.320 and maybe this is just me but i think other people will probably have this experience if

00:10:21.540 you have a kid especially at my age especially if your family is like my family where they don't

00:10:25.440 have a lot of kids um there's not a lot of young people in my family um for various reasons most

00:10:32.340 of it is like you know the uncles and whatnot being failures and you know everyone being kind

00:10:38.040 of a degenerate not everyone but a lot of them um and so we there's a lot of focus from you know

00:10:44.160 aunts and uncles and parents onto our child because it that's the that's the new blood

00:10:48.320 that's the only new blood right now yeah um and there's one line that i knew going into this was

00:10:55.500 probably a lie but i'm now convinced was a lie and that was whatever you need we're here just give us

00:11:03.320 a call my i knew going in i'm like well obviously not but you know maybe that's 40 true and i think

00:11:12.680 it's around five percent true because what they and you let me i'll say something then you go and

00:11:19.500 you tell me if this is something you experience i find that everyone wants to spend time with the

00:11:25.040 baby everyone wants to come over and hold the baby and just stand there we've done that before

00:11:30.280 like the grandmother came over to hold the baby and we say okay you know please just don't touch

00:11:36.760 his face because he's two weeks old and she immediately starts touching his face sure uh

00:11:42.220 and that they just want to hold the baby but they don't want to do anything else and if you actually

00:11:46.460 ask them to do things it's a bit of a fight um to the point where like i'll go into this i had a

00:11:53.140 huge fight with my grandmother earlier today this is why it's top of mind right now but

00:11:56.480 based on what i've said is that your experience at all with like family it's definitely not as bad

00:12:03.800 but we learned we learned this about our family earlier so we were sensitive about it but when

00:12:09.740 somebody says oh i'm here for you whatever you need whatever that might be true but it's sometimes

00:12:17.300 not but even if it is true that isn't free just because they say that they want to do it doesn't

00:12:21.480 mean it's free like our our experience was that we wound up living with my in-laws for a bit

00:12:25.880 but then in light of living with our in-laws and they were giving us a lot of help the fact that

00:12:31.480 they were giving us help the the flip side of that was we now have to raise our kids the way

00:12:37.900 they want us to raise our kids right so we had to get out of that situation because that was not

00:12:42.760 like that was never discussed and then with with my side of the family it's a little closer to

00:12:47.240 yours where it's like oh yeah absolutely we can come and take care of them for like two hours

00:12:53.540 or something and it's like that the amount of time for me to set up like it's almost not even worth

00:12:57.560 it yeah like you even especially we got two toddlers and it's like i want them out of here

00:13:02.660 for a week at a time when possible yeah well it's also like once they see what it's like or you call

00:13:10.380 them up it's like hey can you do this like ah i'm busy i'm like it's literally the only thing i've

00:13:15.760 from you other and what they like to do is the one thing i don't need them to do which is grab a

00:13:22.380 bunch of random trinkets when they're at giant tiger uh anyone who's outside of canada i'm not

00:13:28.060 even gonna explain what that place is but it's it's a it's a dreary place it's like oh i bought 0.93

00:13:32.980 him a hat like we have so many fucking ball cat things they think are cute oh here's a ball cap 0.62

00:13:38.500 for him i'm like thanks it doesn't fit him now it's okay it's just a thing you saw and it's an 0.98

00:13:44.600 excuse for you to get in the door and i had to get into a fight with my grandmother and because

00:13:51.960 look we're the trattest of the trad over here right but most of the people when they talk

00:13:59.680 about traditional values and they talk about the importance of family usually don't practice them

00:14:05.120 we actually do and people who do have a good relationship with their family probably spend a

00:14:09.840 lot of time complaining about their family right but it's not like like terminally online 0.99

00:14:14.240 trad guys who think they know a thing or two about rome i know we've covered rome rome fucking sucks 0.99

00:14:21.380 first of all okay rome can lay an egg if you actually do engage with your family you'll feel 0.99

00:14:30.040 a kind of way about them and so you're not supposed to you're supposed to honor your elders

00:14:34.800 it's easy to say when you never talk to your elders like most of them anyway so like my 0.97

00:14:40.360 grandmother always does this sort of conniving shit where like she's seen the baby and she's 0.99

00:14:46.520 seeing them him again on saturday but she like she wanted to come over to bring some bullshit she got 0.99

00:14:53.000 from the the dollar store right she always does this and find an excuse to get in the door

00:14:58.360 and i i she phoned me up to bring it over and i said okay but honestly like he's he's difficult

00:15:05.460 to get down he's not sleeping right now my wife's nerves are shot my nerves are shot nothing makes 0.81

00:15:11.800 sense i forget what day it is you know shit like that i'm like just please we don't want to see 0.95

00:15:16.480 him we're gonna feed him and get him to bed and then she shows up she puts on this sweet old lady 0.97

00:15:23.280 thing face and gives the puppy dog eyes and she goes can i come in i'm like no and i just snapped

00:15:31.020 and i shouldn't have snapped but this is the middle of the day where like i just i snapped

00:15:36.320 you told your own grandmother to get off your porch in the middle of the day i screamed at her 0.99

00:15:41.640 give me some fucking space and i slammed the door in her face oh no and i didn't see now that this 0.99

00:15:48.780 story without the context of my entire life might sound over the time the thing is i know you so to 0.98

00:15:56.280 me this is really just a normal wednesday but no don't that's exactly what i don't want them to

00:16:03.540 think i don't just make a point of screaming at my family but you know what it's like it's like 0.84

00:16:10.340 when you see a couple fighting fighting over something stupid at that moment it sounds like 0.99

00:16:17.540 bullshit but you don't know the two years that that particular fight was marinating well like 1.00

00:16:24.660 i say we were there with uh with my wife's parents just a few months ago like absolute screaming 0.99

00:16:29.680 matches and it was about family stuff and about the kids and everything so yeah yeah it's like

00:16:35.500 it sounds bad and this is just i want to give people a peek behind the curtain of what it's

00:16:39.380 like because this is something they don't really tell you that and again maybe it's not everyone 0.94

00:16:44.340 but i find that a lot of families are full of shit and they think i'm gonna help uh with the 0.95

00:16:49.720 child means i'm going to come over and hold the baby i'm like i don't really need that because 0.99

00:16:55.400 you actually don't most of these people i'm talking past generations a lot of them don't

00:17:01.080 know what to do with babies and this is another thing that frustrates me where even my mom and

00:17:06.800 even my wife's mother will tell them things that we're dealing with with the child like uh his

00:17:12.660 awake window like you'll notice things about your child like they sleep and they're awake a certain

00:17:16.880 way and you're trying to like figure it out and but they're like oh we didn't have that back then 0.82

00:17:22.380 bullshit you just didn't you didn't know you just what what do you mean you you didn't have 0.99

00:17:27.420 noticing in the 70s or the 80s you know i mean like what the fuck does that even mean 1.00

00:17:32.660 yeah because i get technology i get that oh you didn't have a white noise machine whatever 0.70

00:17:37.780 but these concepts of like you know you pay attention to what your kid is doing and when 0.91

00:17:44.060 and you try to build a behavioral model like i'm not a fucking genius it's just called paying 0.76

00:17:50.760 attention to this thing that needs you to pay attention to it otherwise it dies there's just 0.81

00:17:55.720 not to not to not to go totally off the rails but the uh like strauss and how's fourth turning they

00:18:00.740 describe that generation generation's method of parenting as totally like wall up not interacting

00:18:09.220 with the child like you're talking about like boomers like late boomers and early gen x like

00:18:14.360 our our my parents were boomers i think your parents are a little bit younger but that generation

00:18:19.380 were like they just hey the kid's gonna be fine the kids are rubbery don't don't have to worry

00:18:24.660 about it just let them cry it off like which is which is kind of true but also apparently now in

00:18:30.460 retrospect when our grand our parents like our kids grandparents are looking at our kids and 0.53

00:18:35.580 have no fucking clue what we're talking about because we actually have read books and done 0.88

00:18:39.880 research about how to properly take care of an infant like you hold on you guys telling me you 0.99

00:18:45.380 didn't even fucking look it up when i was a baby like you don't you have no recollection of you 0.94

00:18:51.400 like you just made it up like that explains a lot i guess yeah and my thing is i'm i'm even removing 0.96

00:18:56.860 reading and research from it this is just paying attention like for example uh my son he hates

00:19:02.700 being held horizontally like laying on his back if i need to calm him down i have to hold him

00:19:07.720 vertically and that's just like little things like that you know it's like here's what calms 0.94

00:19:12.320 him down here's what doesn't even that never fucking occurred to them like they never tried 0.83

00:19:17.240 it they never experimented like let me try this and me and my wife we come together and we're 0.93

00:19:21.980 strategizing we're treating it you know we joked like we're not the enemies he's the enemy and i

00:19:27.080 said the other day it's like we were kind of having a fight i'm like we need to keep a level

00:19:31.400 head this is the only way we can defeat him but it's fun to talk like it's true in a sense but

00:19:37.620 we need to strategize like okay we tried this that didn't work but this worked maybe if we try

00:19:41.560 doing this and we can get him to sleep longer and blah blah and maybe it's too early to even be 0.98

00:19:45.920 trying this but you're trying to get him to sleep especially because my son won't fucking sleep he's 0.94

00:19:51.100 weird but you know that process of thinking about things and noticing things just didn't occur to 0.83

00:19:58.400 them and that's what blows my mind and that just circle back is why i don't even know what i would

00:20:03.140 ask them to do and we've gone over this with my wife's mom where like she just didn't get anything 0.98

00:20:09.440 so i'm like okay i have to teach you how to fucking hold a baby like i'm gonna come home 0.97

00:20:14.000 and you're holding them upside down over the stairs because like that works or something or 0.98

00:20:18.600 you heard that works or you know what i mean like don't i i don't trust that you it seems like a

00:20:24.460 miracle that any of you ended up with babies that are alive to me like i i don't want we did

00:20:30.260 actually have a lot of help from my mom and my mother-in-law when both of our girls were born

00:20:34.680 and the help i think i mentioned this to you before but like the help that we got was not

00:20:39.380 with the baby because what what matters is that the mother and then secondarily the father are

00:20:46.000 with the baby all the time so all of the things that the mother would normally be doing like you

00:20:51.700 can look at it that way like is it really like oh my god i need to get rid of this baby because i 0.87

00:20:55.220 gotta go clean the house no other way around you need to stay with the baby and somebody else needs 0.98

00:20:59.440 to clean the house so mom please come over and vacuum my fucking house right and this that's and 0.98

00:21:05.160 i think that's the core of it when you're talking about like oh they want to they want to come over 0.99

00:21:08.580 and touch the baby yeah so i can go fucking clean no no it's my baby you you go clean if you said 0.79

00:21:16.300 you want to help me you actually love me and you're my family and you want to help come and help you 1.00

00:21:21.460 what i mean like you want me to fucking push your wheelchair in 20 years guess what bitch 0.99

00:21:25.680 yes it's time to vacuum my living room i will push your wheelchair the question is where i'm 1.00

00:21:30.920 pushing it to you want to hold my baby i'm gonna push your wheelchair in the lake yeah

00:21:36.640 something it's somewhere you don't want it's wherever it is it's down

00:21:40.440 but also the thing is like yeah come over and and clean and and cook counterpoint these these

00:21:49.240 are filthy filthy people i wouldn't trust them with a mop uh my family second of all they cannot

00:21:55.780 cook sometimes they do but like my wife's mother lovely woman she cooks she knows how to her she 0.98

00:22:01.780 knows her way around a ham makes great ham here's the thing she uses these like um you know those 0.73

00:22:08.120 teflon pans you know those nazik pans scratch to shit um also eight years old and they've it's to 0.76

00:22:16.100 the point where she doesn't know really how to do dishes um i've seen her just put them under the 0.72

00:22:21.280 sink and kind of like glaze it with her hand so it's got around eight years of garlic flavor

00:22:27.460 baked in and sometimes that's a delight you know if she's making me like where's that garlic flavor

00:22:33.200 come from it's tastes unique but that is is corpsified garlic and it snaps me out of it

00:22:39.520 every single time so cooking and also fair enough me and my wife are bougie we got a millionaire 0.97

00:22:47.360 minds you know we i don't want i don't want you just to come over with a casserole i can shit a 0.99

00:22:53.320 casserole i can pull a lasagna out of my cock hole okay what i want is lobster and caviar can you do 1.00

00:23:01.900 that no you can't you're in trouble i i would take i would take food from you because you make 1.00

00:23:08.600 smoked farmer sausage that would be great what the fuck's my mom gonna do she could give me a 0.99

00:23:14.120 bag of chips that she opened already she's gonna give you the bottom of the bag of chips because 0.99

00:23:20.480 it's easier for her to give it to you than to throw it out because it's been in the passenger

00:23:25.520 seat of her van for a week she's like i don't know where there's a garbage can here i'll just

00:23:29.900 give it to dimes it's a bag of all dressed chips that she's had for a while because i know she ate

00:23:35.440 halfway through it and trimmed the bag with the scissors as you do she gave him to me with a chip

00:23:41.040 clip i don't need this headache i don't need this all dressed headache instead of confronting here

00:23:48.720 you just put it in the cabinet labeled mom's half-eaten chips that has like 50 bags already

00:23:53.780 and so the thing is with my family like again this will probably change as my son gets older

00:23:59.640 and he becomes a more delightful person he actually is delightful to be around right now

00:24:03.440 he's quite advanced in the sense that he's engaging with the world and um he seems to be

00:24:09.200 ahead developmentally in that he's like playing with toys in in a way that most babies don't good

00:24:14.920 but also we've kind of sequestered ourselves and i'm okay with that and maybe that's not what i

00:24:22.000 should be feeling maybe you're supposed to make more maybe i should be nicer and inviting people

00:24:28.260 in but my patience is so thin i've what i've started doing i ran this by my wife i got a

00:24:34.980 rule i'm like every time one of you pisses me off i'm adding a one month time debt to the next time 0.93

00:24:41.160 you get to see my son come at me sideways and it's six months tell me i'm fucking lying right 0.92

00:24:47.200 now i'm like i'm doing insane shit but it feels so good and i don't it feels so good it feels so 0.85

00:24:54.020 not bad to do it and i just want people out there who maybe are going through this or have gone 0.54

00:24:59.800 through it maybe i'm crazy but and this is my first maybe this changes by the time the second 1.00

00:25:05.180 one comes around but i don't want none of y'all niggas around my kid like we got we got a system 0.96

00:25:12.780 going and i don't want like i just don't like help that isn't help i suppose it's it is easier 1.00

00:25:19.440 when they're a little bit older

00:25:21.160 because, like, simple babysitting

00:25:23.400 and whatever is easier.

00:25:25.760 And also, you're going to be...

00:25:27.860 Like, you're in the worst part right now.

00:25:30.460 Yeah.

00:25:31.380 Okay, enough with my son.

00:25:33.820 Everyone's punching their screen

00:25:35.620 and spitting at the photo of me

00:25:37.720 they keep on the table.

00:25:39.480 So I wanted to...

00:25:41.320 It was a bit of a slow news week,

00:25:42.760 or it was slow for the news I was reading. 0.99

00:25:45.060 There might be some big shit happening. 0.99

00:25:47.020 I mean, there is. 0.98

00:25:47.520 like i don't know what to say about the trump like arraignment yet i don't think there's there's 0.93

00:25:53.800 nothing to say those are our rules those are house rules we're not fucking talking about it until 0.54

00:25:57.340 there's actually something to talk about yeah i don't feel that there's a story there yet like 0.58

00:26:01.260 the only story there is that even the people who like what's happening the liberals and the

00:26:07.480 american democrats don't seem that excited about it and i think that that's a story but i will say

00:26:13.440 one thing which is just a poke with nut doesn't need to be discussed but everybody was mocking

00:26:17.640 him because he made a big show of i'm gonna be arrested on tuesday and then he wasn't arrested

00:26:22.680 on tuesday and everyone's laughing at him and then like he was arrested on the following

00:26:25.880 tuesday it was like it was like six or seven days later it's like okay so he missed the day 0.98

00:26:31.780 but he was a hundred percent correct that they were out for him and then they fucking arrested 0.60

00:26:36.160 him so and everyone looks at what he's arrested for and like oh that's it like it's a really 1.00

00:26:40.560 it's so stupid they have they're so desperate they gotta bring stormy daniels out which a woman 0.88

00:26:46.600 no everyone kind of hates and is weirded out by and he was like sued him twice and lost i'm like 0.99

00:26:51.600 this is not anyway i'm i'm fooling myself into talking about it what we are going to talk about

00:26:56.660 is tranny beer yeah this morning it's the new budweiser ad campaign that anheuser bush hopes

00:27:05.300 will help the company ride out a boycott it features the nostalgia of an iconic Clydesdale

00:27:10.820 galloping through all american landscapes with men grabbing a couple of cold ones together this is a

00:27:16.660 story bigger than beer the ad coming two weeks after bud light's partnership with transgender

00:27:25.700 influencer dylan mulvaney this month i celebrated my day 365 of womanhood and bud light sent me

00:27:32.660 possibly the best gift ever, a can with my face on it. Dylan Mulvaney is sharing her thoughts on

00:27:40.200 her critics. After recently landing partnerships with brands like Nike and Bud Light during the

00:27:46.360 April 11th episode of the Onward with Rosie O'Donnell podcast, the trans activist opens up

00:27:52.720 about why she believes she's been on the receiving end of backlash. The reason that I think I am so 0.99

00:27:58.720 um i'm an easy target is because i'm still new to this i think going after a trans woman that's 0.98

00:28:03.880 been doing this for like 20 years is a lot more difficult yeah good luck yeah and so i think maybe

00:28:08.540 they think there's some sort of chance with me that they can but what is their goal first of all

00:28:13.360 you're you're very young honey dylan gained a following in 2022 when she shared details of

00:28:19.340 her transition journey online thank you for supporting me so this is i wanted to just talk

00:28:27.160 about this because it's involved in my field of study and work in marketing but what we're

00:28:34.960 talking about is i believe it was a dylan mulvaney that was the name correct dylan mulvaney um who a

00:28:41.620 transgendered influencer from what i know about dylan mulvaney and i've seen a lot of his tweets

00:28:48.020 it's like he was is a guy who decided to do like my year of becoming a girl and documenting the

00:28:57.140 which is literally what every trans person does by the way that's the only type of content 0.91

00:29:02.440 trannies know how to do there's not i'm gonna hey i'm a tranny let's talk sports it's always 0.98

00:29:09.620 watch me change and then they don't change which is a weird type of content which is 1.00

00:29:15.560 like imagine if you're watching someone learn how to juggle over the course of a year on youtube

00:29:21.600 or get good at chess and all they keep doing is playing checkers and playing checkers wrong

00:29:28.400 and then i'm like i this is an odd thing i'm i'm so i'm i have a gun to my head i'm supposed to

00:29:33.980 watch this sorry i was about to say like can you imagine like all else being equal if there was

00:29:38.560 like a network for real women like the women's network and all of the shows were just like

00:29:43.800 performatively feminine shit it's like but that's that's real but that's real though i think they're 0.94

00:29:49.900 like upn there is a woman's network but imagine that was just pro wrestling every day yeah imagine 0.99

00:29:57.540 you're watching the woman's network and it's bet you're like okay i i kind of see i guess black 0.96

00:30:03.840 guys are chicks if you think about it but so what happened was this freak ended up on a beer can 0.94

00:30:12.460 Bud Light decided to sponsor an influencer, which isn't far and away from what a company of that

00:30:21.380 size would do. And for color background, I've worked at agencies, marketing and advertising

00:30:28.020 agencies where we have done things like this for big brands. So it's not altogether like this thing

00:30:35.460 where they're just kind of doing a little sponsorship for an influencer. They do this

00:30:38.960 shit all the time it's not a huge thing off their back that's one aspect of a whole suite of 0.99

00:30:43.860 marketing initiatives they do but it kind of blew up because a lot of people got pissed off at it 0.95

00:30:49.600 however uh in the wake of it uh this thing you know it also the the image of him on the can is

00:30:58.080 really bad because this guy looks like a man like he oh yeah he looks like doesn't remotely pass

00:31:04.320 it's really bad it's really he's just a skinny guy and he doesn't know how to smile he looks

00:31:10.000 deranged and so you put that on a can and then like you draw a caricature of that it looks way 0.65

00:31:15.140 way worse he's mulvaney they should call him mulvascular take that it's bad got him actually 0.97

00:31:23.580 um sorry it's auto playing some shit here so look there's there's i'm just going to give some 0.69

00:31:28.920 background of the articles you're seeing in the wake of this so big pushback on it uh bud light

00:31:34.100 fans are not happy and who is the average bud light fan who is a consumer an active consumer

00:31:39.560 of bud light because this is the funny thing about alcohol brands that i always found amusing

00:31:43.980 when i was working with them is that alcohol brands do not directly advertise to the types

00:31:51.400 of people who actually purchase their product yeah so for example um if you are sell tito's

00:31:58.580 vodka or smirnoff vodka your consumers are degenerate alcoholics that is that's just who

00:32:07.460 it is like the low tier vodka is only being purchased by people who are day drinking on a 1.00

00:32:14.120 bench that's that's the shit i would buy or like low tier whiskeys like the low tier shit drunks 0.99

00:32:21.300 are the ones you're going after but they want to pretend that it's upper class socialites who are 0.99

00:32:27.200 drinking the shit there's an element of it's like kind of aspirational i guess i remember reading 0.98

00:32:31.780 about uh marketing for children like the horrible christmas ads they put out for toys and how they 0.99

00:32:36.400 want to put like the kids in the ad or like two to three years older than the actual target demo

00:32:41.560 because those kids want to like oh it's this the big kids like this so i'm gonna i'm gonna like 0.92

00:32:46.140 yeah so you got like you know 14 year olds playing with a fucking lego set so it's it's 0.94

00:32:51.380 interesting though that you know bud light is being consumed by if i had to pick an archetype 0.97

00:32:56.280 it's one of my favorite comedians shane gillis shane gillis is a bud light guy that's a low blow

00:33:02.380 he loves his bls he openly does it he got he won a drinking competition of bud lights against 0.99

00:33:09.620 ari shafir on joe rogan's show no shane i think it's fucking dumb cunt that was ari shafir and 0.99

00:33:18.120 he is under the influence of drugs a lot of guys think they can drink bud lights 0.99

00:33:21.820 a lot of guys a lot of guys sit around how are you so he's facing sinatra right now a lot of

00:33:28.100 guys sit around and go man bud light what's that water oh we you find out

00:33:34.220 he loves bud light but he's they said it's for frat guys frat guys love bud light they love

00:33:41.900 slamming bls and it's just a fun thing yeah it's like a summer cool like i didn't i didn't even

00:33:49.040 know that yeah so and then even the director of marketing when she she was coming out to defend

00:33:55.860 this by saying like we are we're a frat guy beer and we don't want to be a frat guy beer we want

00:34:01.120 to go after the younger demographic i'm a businesswoman i had a really clear job to do

00:34:06.100 when i took over bud light and it was this brand is in decline it's been in decline for a really

00:34:12.260 long time and if we do not attract young drinkers to come and drink this brand there will be no few

00:34:19.020 her for Bud Light. So I had this super clear

00:34:21.100 mandate.

00:34:22.380 Yeah, you don't get to change that. That's not your choice.

00:34:25.000 You dumb bitch. 1.00

00:34:25.840 You shouldn't want to change it. 1.00

00:34:28.860 That's stupid. She's an idiot. 1.00

00:34:30.720 And people are wondering if this is some 4D chess. 1.00

00:34:33.580 No, I've worked with these

00:34:35.020 women. You have no idea how many

00:34:36.900 of these women are high

00:34:39.080 up C-suite executives 1.00

00:34:40.600 who just do retarded shit. 1.00

00:34:43.500 She's not playing a character. 1.00

00:34:45.400 There's not a subtle

00:34:47.220 subterfuge going on she actually thought like let's try and get gen alpha let's get zoomers

00:34:53.880 let's get like the people who watch euphoria drinking bud light that's what this was it's

00:35:00.060 just another example of like the collapse of complex legacy systems due to incompetence like

00:35:04.880 it's happening everywhere in every industry right now and it's the last time that it'll happen like

00:35:08.420 i know that this the stock market price on this tank came back up but this is like sears like if 0.97

00:35:13.760 you continue with this pattern and apparently they haven't fired the bitch so they will uh the 0.87

00:35:18.320 the brand is over i mean bud is over and if if anheuser bush keeps doing it it's they're not 0.97

00:35:23.560 yeah that's true because i'll read the articles that are coming out they're defending it which

00:35:28.980 means that they're trying to own it because the the story that came out originally that i pushed

00:35:34.500 back against because some people were saying that the i think the story was that it was a rogue

00:35:39.160 marketing executive that did it. And I'd said, if you have any familiarity with how these

00:35:45.240 companies operate, that's not really possible. This idea that it was just like one, a small team

00:35:50.600 that just went off the reservation and did it. And then the main organization didn't know,

00:35:54.660 that's not how it works. Like the director of marketing is aware on all this shit and signs 0.99

00:35:59.260 off, especially if a promotional product is being produced. Now, even if it's a small run 0.99

00:36:04.980 of the product you're still getting their manufacturing division involved like you are

00:36:11.020 still getting memo sent back and forth of look yeah we need yet to produce that can takes five

00:36:17.080 teams of people to do it you need designers you need the guys who are like who can make the

00:36:23.240 chemicals to put that on the can how to get it shipped to the right place like it's an organ

00:36:28.220 organization of that size to do something even that small takes a lot of people to do it so the

00:36:32.060 idea that it was just like a rogue sjw no it was the company that signed off on it and they probably 0.98

00:36:38.780 thought it was an interesting gambit and they do that shit all the time because they're a big 0.99

00:36:43.240 enough company but i think people underestimated how much how much the public hates trannies 0.99

00:36:49.660 and now it is up to the audience the consumers to decide how unreasonable they want to be 0.99

00:36:58.960 we talk about this a lot on the show about you need to decide what you're what the punishment

00:37:05.020 for bud light looks like is it just you're voting with your wallet maybe but that means you'll

00:37:11.140 probably vote with your wallet back to them again like how do you make bud light suffer for this

00:37:15.260 and people will say oh that's so you're just playing a capitalist game it's like no no no 0.97

00:37:19.900 you're you're trying to signal that this transgender phenomena is has has venom and 0.97

00:37:27.500 stink all over it so it's like how much are you going to try and make this it's just a corporation 0.99

00:37:33.300 make them suffer get what are you gonna do yeah get her fired pick up a phone and get this woman 1.00

00:37:38.820 fired make her toxic you could have a bunch of tiktok accounts just beating up trans people 1.00

00:37:44.640 and it's hashtag bud light crew yeah just like all like it's all of this shit to like harassing 0.99

00:37:51.540 trans people and just just associate it with bud just go to a child drag show and just hurl cans 1.00

00:37:57.820 of bud light from the crowd at their fucking foreheads yeah exactly that's good yeah and see 0.99

00:38:03.840 because i'm on the i don't think it was the last episode it was the one where we're discussing the 0.98

00:38:09.120 huns the one before that uh there was an idea that i was waiting around in that i don't know

00:38:15.000 if i established correctly because you know it's an idea that i'm still kind of working on

00:38:20.120 but it was the idea of the uh negative barbaric um and so to refresh you know i kind of explained

00:38:28.260 maybe i over explained it in the clip but the idea was that it the huns and all the scythians

00:38:36.340 and all these tribes that existed outside of rome um i kind of welded this phenomena onto the

00:38:42.500 dejuvenelian power structure that we talk about where there's like the center of power then

00:38:47.740 there's the intermediary power around it and then there's the people on the outer periphery

00:38:52.240 and i just had this idea of something a phenomena and a mass that exists past that

00:38:58.400 especially if you are a city state or a nation that is very powerful and insignificant

00:39:04.500 and significant rather it's like you have the savages on the outside and the more powerful

00:39:10.340 you are the more savages you have and they exist in the negative space outside of any strong

00:39:16.080 centralized power. And the stronger the power, the more the savages can unite against them. 0.52

00:39:23.180 This is kind of what you saw with the Mongols too. This is what you see with every 0.98

00:39:25.840 kind of savage tribe, that they are able to unite insofar as you represent an enemy that they

00:39:33.060 really, really want to conquer and to steal from and to overtake. And so I had this idea that in 0.78

00:39:39.800 our society the line i was going with that the negative barbaricum outside of white society is 0.73

00:39:48.900 always going to be shockingly powerful and that might sound like a kind of reductive way to put

00:39:54.400 it maybe there's another way to phrase it but this idea that the more united and the more

00:40:01.720 you know advanced and sophisticated and developed you are the more the savages will resent you and

00:40:09.360 the more they can band together to fight you and that's that's kind of what's happening in america

00:40:13.760 right now and that's what happened outside of rome but you don't see this phenomena in brazil

00:40:17.220 not really you don't see this place this phenomena in second and third world countries

00:40:21.120 it's only in highly developed countries right next to people who aren't highly developed and

00:40:26.880 that is what the transgender phenomena exists and this is why we talk about you know edward 0.99

00:40:31.360 dutton's idea of spiteful mutants um i was talking about this earlier about this idea of wokeness 0.68

00:40:38.340 i don't like woke i don't like that word i don't think we've ever used the word woke correctly

00:40:42.980 um some people say woke some people say degenerates spiteful mutants is another one it's 0.98

00:40:49.140 something to describe this coalition of the abnormal fringe so that would be black retards 0.99

00:40:57.380 and lgbt people and you know substance abusers and prostitutes just the fringes 1.00

00:41:04.040 the outermost periphery that is the barbaricum that's the people they have nothing in common 1.00

00:41:09.760 except for the fact that they want to attack the center they want to overtake and the more 0.99

00:41:15.900 brilliant that center is the more they can unite with themselves and that to me is kind of what

00:41:21.060 dylan mulvaney represents and i don't know i was just kind of toying around with the idea of that's

00:41:26.800 why the transgender phenomena is the peak and i wouldn't say it's like that's why i can't say it's

00:41:32.060 the the all the last boss of wokeness i'm like not really i don't look at it like that and i don't

00:41:37.320 like when people use the word woke because it almost validates the word itself like call it

00:41:43.800 what they you know i want i'm always advocating against people adopting new terminology when it's 0.96

00:41:49.840 not necessary uh that's why when it comes to these people i just like calling them gay communists 0.94

00:41:54.860 again the old they're not really communist i don't give a flying care i i don't give a 0.98

00:42:02.200 fucking hoot i'll tell you why because those two words together everyone knows what they mean 0.66

00:42:06.880 but if i start saying like it's it's you know they're they're what does woke mean no one uses 0.98

00:42:12.060 the word woke properly and we tested this like grill someone on what is what is woke well you

00:42:18.280 know it's it's like it's when you get in trouble for speaking the truth is that what that doesn't

00:42:22.760 make sense that's not what it is like it's kind of a free speech thing you kind of have a sense 0.96

00:42:27.100 that it's like black women being mad but you can't really articulate what it is but what it really is 0.90

00:42:32.640 it's genetic dead ends banding together to take down something they are uniquely hostile towards 1.00

00:42:40.300 and that essentially is bud light because bud light is the fucking frat white guy beer 0.98

00:42:47.160 i actually as much as jbp has fallen i kind of like the cultural marxist phrase because i mean 0.98

00:42:55.220 all of this goes back to like the marxist angle of like the jewish control of our society like

00:43:03.000 comes through capitalism but also through marxism right and the marxist side of it today manifests 0.99

00:43:08.360 less about like labor unions and more about all this cultural shit so it's sex with kids and it's 0.99

00:43:14.140 the gays and it's trans and it's you know race baiting and it's all of that together that's 0.99

00:43:19.500 cultural marxism so anyway that's my preference i liked the term bio leninism when we discussed

00:43:26.700 that with spandrel i like to use that the fear is i'm always trying to think i still don't even

00:43:32.080 understand what that means that's kind of the problem that to explain that to a normal person

00:43:37.620 i shouldn't say normal people but you know what i mean like most people don't know what lenin is

00:43:43.280 or yeah you know what it's not really it's like a lot of this stuff it's like the criticism against 0.80

00:43:48.380 like uh nazi shit or like the the main the main stable criticism is you're literally talking about 0.60

00:43:54.680 something from a hundred years ago and any real cultural um like it only has historical value 0.99

00:44:00.620 now it no longer has like a tangible cultural value that people can touch because it's been

00:44:05.700 four generations so like lenin is some somebody you learn about in history class so and the reason

00:44:12.180 i like just calling people gay communists is because that's the i've tested this out i've

00:44:17.860 insulted a lot of these people and those two words together that's the only thing that seems 0.79

00:44:23.020 to really bother them you can call them either the name of the book you can call them you know

00:44:27.520 whatever complicated thing and they'll they'll either own it or they'll make fun of you but if 0.94

00:44:32.600 you just say you're a gay communist no like no guy wants to be called gay that's a fact that's 0.93

00:44:38.740 just the baseline it works i don't care who it is i do love that that you if you call if you call a 1.00

00:44:44.160 literal faggot a faggot they get really mad instead of saying oh thank you thank you for 0.99

00:44:49.800 noticing me go to a straight antifa guy and call him gay he'll get pissed off at you and call them 1.00

00:44:55.780 a communist like they don't want to be called a communist because to americans especially there's

00:45:00.760 a lot of cultural baggage that comes with that there's a lot of people who hate communists if 1.00

00:45:04.720 if you were to call people a marxist they would own that like yeah i'm a marxist you're fucking 1.00

00:45:10.020 communist shut up it's kind of a tautology but like you call a nigger a nigger they absolutely 1.00

00:45:14.980 lose it it's like but you are a nigger and he's like you ought to say yeah no you're right i am 0.99

00:45:19.900 a nigger i my mom calls me a nigger my best friend calls me a nigger i have nigger literally tattooed 0.99

00:45:25.260 on my arm i guess i'm a nigger my best friend calls me a nigger you you saying this to my 0.99

00:45:31.660 black best friend nigger be nigger yeah all right so i wanted to give people just a smattering 0.98

00:45:37.840 of the coverage of this story in the wake of it because this is you know we're a week or two out 0.99

00:45:44.600 from this so here's one from cnn business and the parent company of bud light is anheuser bush

00:45:52.700 anheuser anheuser anheuser is anheuser we're gonna call them anhozer let's call them anhozers

00:46:00.540 put that up on the board okay and hoser bush facilities face threats after bud light backlash 0.65

00:46:09.880 uh first of all good um i don't know they're probably not the threats i'm thinking of

00:46:16.600 i bet they're threats that you should get closed down you should be fired this might be harassment

00:46:22.760 the threats that i'm thinking of i'm not even gonna say the threats

00:46:25.580 but they're good old they're old reliable threats normal threats when you're thinking of a threat

00:46:32.800 it's that kind of threat all right so um the washington post this is an opinion piece but

00:46:39.240 the bud light controversy reminds us how toxic masculinity can be you know whatever someone

00:46:46.480 calls you toxic it means you're over the target i think we all know that but it just goes without

00:46:50.360 saying um just to give some background here dylan mulvaney a trans influencer with more than 10

00:46:56.520 million followers documented her transition over the course of a year to celebrate day 365 of her

00:47:04.600 journey bud light center some personalized cans of beer which when you hear a phrase like that

00:47:09.240 that's a weird thing to do like like you know what if i okay i'm not saying you should do this

00:47:16.360 If I were involved in one of these companies, like if I were Tampax, I would send Dylan Mulvaney some pads.

00:47:24.160 You know, if I were a company, like I don't even like saying this because I'm giving them ideas. 1.00

00:47:29.660 But if you wanted to create a campaign that would get you good press, it would need to be a woman's brand. 0.96

00:47:38.120 It would need to be like a woman's razor would be perfect for this. 0.99

00:47:42.880 but like Bud Light making a can of beer 1.00

00:47:45.600 like the most un-woman 0.92

00:47:47.480 like beer first of all

00:47:48.800 because if you're trying to make Bud Light

00:47:50.900 popular with women

00:47:52.260 this is a bad way to do that right 1.00

00:47:54.340 this attempt on

00:47:57.200 Bud Light's part to be forward thinking

00:47:59.320 about how it's customers live and love

00:48:01.460 live and

00:48:03.280 that's what you know anyone who's ever drank

00:48:05.300 beer let me ask you this anyone

00:48:07.160 who's ever drank a beer in their life

00:48:08.800 have you ever thought about how to live and love

00:48:11.240 no that is a spirit drinker thing to do that is an absinthe drinkers thing to do

00:48:19.100 if you're a beer drinker you've never thought about how to love and that's a fact and that's

00:48:24.000 good i'm not getting on your case um live and love has been met with a backlash by one group

00:48:29.760 of people who seem to by one group of people who seem to believe that another group of people

00:48:35.480 should not exist this is in the washington post um also yes i just want to like asterisk that i

00:48:42.720 do believe that uh kid rock used his gun to shoot several cases of the beer another gut another guy 0.97

00:48:49.360 destroyed a can of light with a baseball bat in a typical digital tantrum uh what the fuck for some 1.00

00:48:58.020 trans people represent just the latest babadook a complex fear they cannot tolerate 1.00

00:49:03.520 the fact that this shit's published at all i'm getting out of this they somehow managed to bring 0.97

00:49:10.080 i bet somebody dared the writer to try to include the babadook in this article yeah the guy who 0.99

00:49:15.940 just watched the babadook yeah you know in a lot of ways dylan mulvaney is like a lamb child that

00:49:23.480 is born to a woman this whole thing has proved to be a very a midsummer if you will um i don't know

00:49:33.500 just listing age 24 you know if i if i had to think of one thing to describe this it would be

00:49:39.740 bow is afraid okay so here and here's one from ad week once again ad week if you're not in the

00:49:46.560 advertising industry you've probably never read this i made a point to try and not read it but

00:49:51.200 ad week once again getting the story wrong bud light's response to dylan mulvaney backlash

00:49:57.200 displays dangers of shallow advocacy so i think the what they're pissed off is they didn't 0.98

00:50:04.660 put dylan mulvaney's cock through the mouth of a bud light can and snap it off 0.99

00:50:10.000 that would that is a threat that's no that's a that's a that that's good branding yeah okay 0.99

00:50:19.060 that that is we call that brand advocacy they they goaded him into it by saying we're going

00:50:24.780 to give you bottom surgery for free not saying okay let's give you a taste of what ad week talks

00:50:31.800 about okay so they're quoting somebody here if brands don't take that responsibility on

00:50:36.900 and this begs the question of what are the brand's true intentions when launching this campaign said

00:50:42.220 meg amico lee bracket they them a creator and artist who has worked with brands including

00:50:49.120 pixart and fenty whatever if it's solely to cause a stir publicity or anything aside from taking

00:50:56.320 actual action to fight for trans folks and trans rights then they are participating in performative

00:51:01.000 activism that will not create the waves of change that the trans community needs again so it's the

00:51:05.640 criticism here is that bud light didn't literally fund a trans surgery i suppose right i'm sorry 0.55

00:51:13.140 it's just so stupid but i just want to call unless you mispronounced it but she says she's worked 0.51

00:51:17.840 with such brands as pixart and fenty not pixar and fendi but pixart and fenty it's like p-i-c-s-r-t 0.96

00:51:28.080 so it's like she worked with two like mid-level b plus brands that sound a lot like big movers

00:51:37.800 and shakers that's awesome she works for haple and uh and goggle and what's his mic soft

00:51:45.940 she literally did the website for mike soft that's awesome it is a upstart they're just

00:51:54.340 a guy who slapped his name on viagra pills that he bought in uh tijuana it's not even a software

00:52:00.740 company it's a viagra company sorry jews it's just a guy um and also here's again bud light 0.72

00:52:13.120 blue with dylan mulvaney in bloomberg news and how it was an hoser like that and i was a bush

00:52:20.280 the company that makes bud light took too long to respond to the controversy around its partnership

00:52:25.000 with trans influencer dylan mulvaney and that's the the problem is that they didn't stand with

00:52:30.500 him enough anyway i just wanted to i just wanted to call attention to that and also discuss it

00:52:35.000 from the marketing perspective that people will wonder if this was some 4d chess if this was some

00:52:41.980 kind of we see this a lot of time with brands where they actually take a stab at this and it

00:52:47.060 fucks up and then we we try and think that the brands are smarter than they are we try and think

00:52:52.460 these organizations even when they fail they're winning against us like people will say that like 0.99

00:52:58.480 oh you're talking about it so they win no no no they lose money and they're trying to cope like

00:53:04.300 do not mistake a cope for a victory lap and the question we have to ask ourselves is like how

00:53:11.400 would you make Bud Light suffer? Because this

00:53:13.460 is the time you need to put the screws

00:53:15.500 to them. Don't

00:53:17.440 do it because you think it's going to

00:53:19.380 save society or it's going

00:53:21.460 to unfollow the West.

00:53:23.460 You need to want to do it because it's fun. 0.55

00:53:26.300 You need to want to do it 1.00

00:53:27.500 because you want to see a dumb bitch get fired. 1.00

00:53:29.880 And I want to reintroduce that 1.00

00:53:31.340 to our scene. I want to reintroduce

00:53:33.360 the little victories

00:53:34.920 that we should permit ourselves to have.

00:53:37.920 It only takes a few emails

00:53:39.300 probably to get this woman fired. 0.59

00:53:41.400 don't even tell them to tell a lie pretend you're you know what pretend you're a trans person

00:53:45.980 just because here's the thing about trans people anyone can just say they are so do that get her

00:53:53.420 get a bunch of people fired i think 10 to 15 guys could get this woman fired and have fun with it 0.71

00:54:00.780 you can really you can take a bite out of these companies if you just cause a bit of a ruckus

00:54:06.680 and you don't need to be on twitter to do it for some reason guys on our side think they need to

00:54:10.960 be on twitter to matter you don't really you know you could you could just like be annoying enough

00:54:17.320 that it become and they're on the back heel right now so they are kind of looking for someone to

00:54:23.400 blame and make it easy for them say if you blame this person and do something uh it'll make it

00:54:29.660 better and then lie because it will make it better that's what leftists do just never be happy here's

00:54:34.880 the thing already on the side we're never happy about anything leverage that i wonder if you could

00:54:40.080 use it to start like a spiral where like the woman who started this is actually white but you find 0.99

00:54:47.280 some innocent nigger who works on their board and say no fire him i want you to i want here's here's 1.00

00:54:54.100 how you pay penance you fire all of the black members of your management staff of your executive 1.00

00:54:59.200 and then now you have to deal with that on top of the other fallout that would be great anyone can

00:55:05.760 pencil this out put the whiteboard everyone in their house should if you're a listener of this

00:55:10.500 show you know what you should have you should have one wall of your house that's all painted 0.93

00:55:14.240 with whiteboard material go to that room let's start put at the very top every black person at 0.98

00:55:21.580 bud light fired that's the end goal and at the bottom it's you if you aren't listening to this 0.96

00:55:26.980 show in a wraparound glass office with a whiteboard marker in your hand you're not going to make it

00:55:32.880 We're giving this stuff away for free.

00:55:35.080 And here's how you do it.

00:55:35.820 You go in the room, you hit the wipe on marker,

00:55:37.980 take the lid off with your mouth,

00:55:40.140 spit it across the room. 0.97

00:55:42.720 Here it go.

00:55:43.920 Now you start squeak, squeak, squeak, squeak, squeak on the board. 1.00

00:55:47.960 I can get you to every black person at Bud Light Fired in four steps. 1.00

00:55:53.500 Why? I don't know. 1.00

00:55:55.120 It's just a thing to do.

00:55:56.160 I'm bored.

00:55:58.420 I'm horse playing around.

00:56:00.380 i want us on the distant right to rediscover horseplay i want us to get into it i want us

00:56:08.120 to start hot dogging i want us to i want us to i think we're leaders globally in horseplay already

00:56:14.940 to be honest i want to just put the diapers on and storm the quidditch match oh no let's go to

00:56:22.260 the the garden department at your local walmart and start screaming slurs that you just made up

00:56:30.380 and here's one go go into a garden center at your local walmart instead of saying chinaman

00:56:40.440 say china woman and see what they do you're not supposed to say either i think

00:56:47.840 oh okay i say chinaman you're saying whoa whoa whoa to jail i say china woman where am i going

00:56:55.180 it ain't jail it might be somewhere it might be a cia black site but it's not jail right

00:57:02.000 to the buffet that's where you're going go into your garden center at your local walmart and say 0.87

00:57:09.240 nig her it's like the new the clinton campaign they just capitalize the h in between the two g's

00:57:20.540 Michelle Obama's running for office. 0.93

00:57:25.020 Nig her. 0.95

00:57:26.400 Get Shepard Fairey on the horn. 1.00

00:57:29.780 I got a bright idea.

00:57:32.340 Nig her.

00:57:33.860 Like the three colors looking off in the distance. 1.00

00:57:37.440 All right.

00:57:38.560 I think we tied that one up in a bow.

00:57:41.200 I don't know what the wrapping paper was.

00:57:44.600 Don't look.

00:57:46.740 What's in the box?

00:57:47.860 Exactly. 0.62

00:57:50.540 This is a real wife-severed head of a bit we had going here. 0.81

00:57:56.720 I had another thing that I wanted to talk about.

00:58:00.320 We're just having fun.

00:58:02.000 We're just having fun this episode.

00:58:04.020 Nothing wrong.

00:58:04.580 It's not so bad.

00:58:06.940 It's good.

00:58:08.000 There's something I was reading that you probably found delightful when you heard it.

00:58:11.400 I guess it's an ongoing story, but I don't see how this ends other than it fizzles out.

00:58:17.440 But the CBC got upset at Elon Musk.

00:58:23.180 Canada's public broadcaster says it won't be tweeting for now

00:58:26.880 because of how the social media platform has labeled the organization.

00:58:31.680 At issue is Twitter's move to tag CBC's corporate page as government-funded media,

00:58:37.400 a label demanded by opposition leader Pierre Polyev,

00:58:40.700 who says now CBC is officially exposed,

00:58:43.780 calling it Trudeau propaganda, not news.

00:58:47.440 The fact that he has to run to American billionaires for support to attack Canadians 0.51

00:58:52.860 says a lot about Mr. Polyev and his values.

00:58:57.560 Twitter's new owner, Elon Musk, has recently been adding similar descriptions to other public service broadcasters.

00:59:05.240 From Britain's BBC to U.S. National Public Radio,

00:59:09.560 a label system first intended to warn users of China's state media.

00:59:14.540 According to Twitter's own definition, when an outlet is tagged government-funded, it means there may be varying degrees of government involvement over editorial content.

00:59:26.280 This was really weird to me, actually.

00:59:28.520 When I started reading this, I didn't understand the play.

00:59:32.360 I didn't know what was going on because I wasn't aware that the CBC, which is literally a government operation, would would have the gall to claim that they were like private and independent.

00:59:46.000 It it is literally the BBC of Canada.

00:59:48.780 It is the it is the PBS of Canada.

00:59:52.040 Yeah, it blows my mind.

00:59:53.660 So just here's the headline from AP News for people.

00:59:57.860 CBC is pausing their Twitter, not leaving Twitter, pausing Twitter after government funded media label.

01:00:05.400 So the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation paused its use of Twitter on Monday after the social media platform owned by Elon Musk.

01:00:12.900 They have to put that in there, right?

01:00:14.540 Stamped CBC's account with a label that public broadcaster says is intended to undermine its credibility.

01:00:21.520 So this is something that happens to most news networks on Twitter.

01:00:26.240 We'll just have a little thing that is assigned by Twitter that you are state-affiliated or state-funded media.

01:00:33.740 And people loved that when it was applied to Russia Today.

01:00:37.360 They loved it when it was applied to Al Jazeera.

01:00:41.080 They did not love it when it was applied to NPR, even though that is national public radio.

01:00:48.060 Exactly.

01:00:49.020 Literally a government radio.

01:00:51.580 It's the same thing.

01:00:52.820 And I feel like maybe it's because the public has not really dug into why that is.

01:01:00.020 Maybe they were happy about RT and Al Jazeera because they just hate Russia and they hate wherever it is.

01:01:07.720 I forget where Al Jazeera is, Kuwait or something, right?

01:01:10.880 But it's not about that.

01:01:12.900 It's about the fact that news organizations that are corporations, whether you like them or not, are selling a product.

01:01:19.820 And if you don't like what they're selling, you can go elsewhere. The problem with state media is that it's funded by your fucking taxes. So it doesn't matter whether they lie. It doesn't matter whether you like it or not. They just keep fucking printing it, right? Because it's propaganda. It's state propaganda. That's the fucking problem. 0.99

01:01:40.540 it's not that i'm not saying the new york i hate the new york times but at the end of the day you 0.99

01:01:45.340 could fight the new york times it's just a fucking company but the cbc is a branch of the federal 0.76

01:01:51.360 government effect i mean de facto it is i know from an organizational structure standpoint it's 0.89

01:01:56.740 not but it de facto if it did not have your federal tax dollars your provincial taxes going 0.98

01:02:03.020 to it it would have ceased to exist before my fucking parents were born i want to lead with 0.97

01:02:08.180 this because i'm going to read from a couple articles to shock and delight the audience but 0.98

01:02:13.180 just to give people some context um cbc slash radio canada both of the exact same entity

01:02:19.960 as a crown corporation received more than 1.2 billion dollars in federal funding from 2021 to

01:02:29.200 2022 and generated another 650 million by other means such as advertising subscriptions and

01:02:35.500 syndication right so the vast majority of its revenue was directly from the government it's

01:02:40.280 run by the government yeah that they would not exist without federal funding and even justin

01:02:45.360 trudeau joked about it and during one of those some kind of conference where prime ministers are

01:02:51.560 given jokes to say right um and i think he was being ironic it's like of course they're nice to

01:02:56.300 me we gave you 600 billion dollars last month and everyone laughed and i'm like you sometimes hear

01:03:02.220 about liberal bias in the media these days how they're constantly letting off our government

01:03:07.340 letting our government off the hook for no good reason frankly i think that's insulting

01:03:14.140 it's clear that they let us off the hook for a very good reason because we paid them 600 million

01:03:20.780 dollars what are you laughing at though like laughing that it obviously is biased but i guess

01:03:28.700 guess this is what i'm going to get to that so the the twitter designation was just the truth

01:03:35.800 it was just that you are government funded but here's a quote from cbc spokesperson leon mar

01:03:42.140 says twitter can be a powerful tool for journalists to communicate with canadians but it undermines

01:03:47.200 the accuracy and professionalism of the work they do to allow our independence to be falsely

01:03:53.200 described in this way i mean it's it's not what i'm noticing like it blowing my mind you're not

01:03:59.560 independent and also this is for direct from the horse's mouth because it is you on the payroll of

01:04:04.240 the federal government telling me you're independent and not on the payroll of federal 0.99

01:04:07.500 government like you're proving the point right now because you're fucking lying yeah it says 0.88

01:04:12.160 the cbc's board of directors determines how the funding it receives is spent in 2021 2022 the cbc 0.98

01:04:19.540 received more than 1.2 billion in government funding so their line is that the government

01:04:24.360 gives us money the government doesn't tell us what to write or publish our board of directors does

01:04:31.080 at like assume they're hoping that people don't connect those dots hoping that people don't 0.92

01:04:37.380 understand how a fucking board works like the board the board is there to make sure that the 1.00

01:04:42.560 company is profitable where do the profits come from dumb dumb they come from the fed 1.00

01:04:46.980 so the board the board by definition can do nothing but what the fed wants unless they find 1.00

01:04:53.000 another source of revenue which they can't because their product has is shit and nobody wants it 0.97

01:04:58.980 like as an individual as a listener as a person who may be a bit incredulous have you ever received 0.97

01:05:05.220 money from someone and felt like you owed them something because of it has that have you has

01:05:10.880 that experience ever occurred in your life maybe you borrowed money from someone or they and they

01:05:17.060 said don't pay me back but you felt the need to do something else for them has that ever happened

01:05:22.300 to you so then you kind of know what this is about they're hoping that you forget what it's

01:05:27.920 like to be a human being but i guess what struck me was have you ever rented an apartment have you 0.95

01:05:34.060 ever had a job like this is the it's not it's the same fucking thing yeah and also i guess what 0.82

01:05:39.920 struck me was that every i remember growing up the cbc it's a big broadcaster like the number 0.94

01:05:47.060 and because it's a state-funded broadcaster there's all these little requirements that

01:05:51.800 go bundled in with it like it needs to be on tvs everywhere like there's rules like you need to

01:05:56.800 have cbc and you have to have a certain amount of canadian content on the airwaves at all times

01:06:01.960 things like that which means it's which means it's over-regulated so like it's well known within

01:06:05.540 canada this is like the most trash station nobody unless unless you're very desperate would ever

01:06:11.040 watch a cbc program yeah and also growing up i remember just like our banking sector our banking 0.88

01:06:17.800 works hand in glove with the government more than in america and over the years they would

01:06:22.920 talk like that's a feature and not a bug like if you go back three years people would tell you that

01:06:29.060 the fact that cbc is owned by the government means that it has to work in the best interests

01:06:35.220 of the citizenry and that and you will hear this come out of the mouths of so many canadians they

01:06:39.720 will say that independently owned news media is inherently more corrupt than state sponsored

01:06:45.820 media and now which is interesting and that and just the fact that they deny it up and down i'm

01:06:51.520 noticing this with canada specifically where you and i don't want to be too hard i guess maybe i do

01:06:59.360 on on socialism but i'm seeing a phenomena where socialists don't want to be called socialists

01:07:05.160 you know like the fact that they're not trying to own this the fact that they're yeah we're

01:07:10.800 government funded that's good that's better than you it's like no how dare you say that

01:07:14.120 how dare you say we're not independent like well like a year ago you were saying that that's what

01:07:18.680 made you unique and good because the canadian government is also good well it's funny that

01:07:23.520 left-wing socialists would even be using the mark of government funded media as a as a as a you know

01:07:30.940 as derisive when you you are i mean you are mr pravda like why are you mad about that i thought

01:07:37.720 that's your whole shtick so yeah and here's an article in the national post by brody fenlon

01:07:44.140 um i run cbc news elon musk's twitter changes had to be called out um allowing a false impression

01:07:52.120 of government involvement in our work to stand is inconsistent with their commitment to accurate

01:07:56.600 journalism so so what they're saying just for people don't know what they're saying is

01:08:01.540 they want you to think that the only thing that matters is a putin-like figure or an autocratic

01:08:08.900 dictator sending memos to journalists telling them what to write and anything if it's not that

01:08:16.160 then it's okay but i don't think they want people to have uncomfortable conversations

01:08:21.620 about the complexities of ownership and to be fair a lot of marxists would talk about this too like

01:08:27.820 the the nuances of power dynamics sure we can go down that road we can call this me too whatever

01:08:34.760 but the idea it's like if people are aware that it's state funded

01:08:40.240 that the argument being made in this piece by brody fenlon i'm gonna read the first bit here

01:08:47.440 it says um it was 1999 the london free press ran a series of stories on the safety perils of a

01:08:54.880 stretch of ontario's highway 401 uh that was called carnage alley uh that fall a horrific

01:09:01.360 fiery pile up in the fog not far from this problematic stretch of road ensnared more than

01:09:06.180 80 vehicles the crash and the media's persistent coverage ultimately led to significant safety

01:09:12.200 improvements by the province uh though a new reporter at the time i understood that the happy

01:09:18.640 the unhappy minister was just blowing off steam after weeks of difficult questions and scrutiny

01:09:23.540 and i knew that he i knew that he knew no amount of scolding or pressure would influence our

01:09:29.580 coverage just a couple of things there so he's just assuming that a massive 80 car pile up the

01:09:36.720 only reason that stretch of highway was fixed was because of the journalists bringing it up

01:09:40.960 and it wouldn't just have been like a thing the province attended to on its own also also that

01:09:45.360 he's implicitly saying it's because of government-funded cbc journalists bringing it up as 0.98

01:09:50.100 if the sun wouldn't have done that as if as if with that many cars the fucking american media 0.99

01:09:55.280 wouldn't have picked it up yes come on fucking come on maybe talk about that fucking australia 1.00

01:10:00.340 the canadians don't know how to fucking drive see it from space you could see this clusterfuck 1.00

01:10:05.780 from australia they look at their toilet and they could see it on the other side of the world 0.99

01:10:09.660 um but but they're trying to like tell you a story that they they fix that but then also

01:10:14.880 the fact that they were the ones who put the screws to the government and because they put

01:10:19.760 the screws to the government that means the government can't have had sway over them but

01:10:23.800 i think what this does it introduces a new type of conversation to people who've probably never

01:10:29.760 heard before that they're saying wait if you are government funded but you are also attacking the

01:10:36.060 government maybe that means you can attack the government and for that to serve the government's

01:10:41.840 interests i think that's the conversation they don't want the voter to have they want people

01:10:47.580 that you know the powers that be want people stuck in very cinematic good versus evil struggles

01:10:52.660 but they don't want people thinking in a more nuanced way where it's like hmm

01:10:56.460 it is it possible the government could attack itself to justify itself

01:11:02.220 hmm that's a kind of a different level of control than i thought why would the government funded

01:11:06.980 media attack the government unless because the government would never attack itself to its own

01:11:12.440 detriment it's never done that ever so it must be attacking itself to its benefit yeah we're

01:11:20.180 related to this i was thinking one of the implications of them trying to defend this

01:11:25.220 label is that they think the majority of canadians already thought that cbc was private like they

01:11:33.180 already thought of cbc like the new york times or like msn or something right which is from in my

01:11:39.560 circle is insane like everybody in my family all my friends we all know that cbc is government

01:11:44.180 which is weird so it's maybe this is a new thing that they're trying to pitch it um but then like

01:11:49.280 like you said it's it's the tail wagging the dog where in reality the cbc as a essentially a branch

01:11:55.860 of the federal government the federal government wants something done the cbc is charged with

01:12:01.400 drumming up public interest that softens the blow when the legislation goes through like bill c21 is

01:12:07.580 excellent an excellent example when they were they spent months and months and months talking about

01:12:13.460 gun crime and then all of a sudden we're gonna have a big bill about banning rifles and banning

01:12:19.480 pistols like i mean go figure go fucking figure nobody else was talking about this it was a

01:12:24.940 all this humdrum with the anyway no no but you're right like i i think this is kind of what red 0.78

01:12:30.860 pilling is and i you know i hate that word but it's like introducing people to breaking the frame

01:12:36.700 that they're in i think that's what's scaring them the most that they they're introducing people to

01:12:42.880 the idea that you can be influenced and control and the only influence and

01:12:46.960 control that matters,

01:12:47.620 it's not going to look like 20th century propaganda.

01:12:50.660 The propaganda isn't the government screaming at you.

01:12:53.220 And arguably that never really was what propaganda was.

01:12:57.080 But the idea that teaching people that a new type of propaganda exists,

01:13:02.580 I think that's far more interesting to me.

01:13:04.400 And that kind of is what Elon Musk is doing. 0.83

01:13:06.820 He's probably doing it from you kind of a basic bitch libertarian way, 0.95

01:13:10.460 but guess what? 0.98

01:13:11.000 i don't dislike a lot basic bitch libertarian stuff you know i'm okay with that i'm okay with 0.71

01:13:16.180 making journalists sad well in all likelihood twitter is just a fifth generational type of 0.96

01:13:22.160 propaganda using bots and simple all kinds of shit is going on there right he's just essentially 0.84

01:13:27.200 cutting the legs out from underneath the old school propaganda which is like government-run 0.84

01:13:32.280 newsrooms but i mean it's funny that they even want to maintain government-run newsroom because

01:13:37.300 like i say everybody is wise to it already like we all know the cbc is the mouthpiece of the 0.95

01:13:42.420 federal government like the same with the globe and mail like why does anybody nobody fucking 0.93

01:13:47.900 reads the globe and mail except literal brain dead boomers yes also people probably listen to 0.88

01:13:53.180 me it's like oh you don't like these journalists but you might like your journalists you know if 0.54

01:13:57.680 your news people were in charge i'd say no i want all journalists gone i just i want ai to do it i

01:14:04.260 want to find a new system where we just have competing ais try and and as fast as they can

01:14:12.440 uncover as much truth as possible and package it in more increasingly insane ways how about we just

01:14:19.760 get the news from like esoteric interpretations of our dreams what if we don't need let's let's

01:14:24.640 let's do the dream here's here's how you interpret the news in my world in hapaboria it's that you

01:14:32.540 we see a true information war by which i mean it is a multipolar conflict between increasingly

01:14:39.880 insane artificial intelligence constructs blasting out information i don't even interpret it i just

01:14:46.340 absorb it just beam it right into my brain it doesn't need to make sense i go to bed at night

01:14:52.000 my unconscious unpacks it and i dream whatever the news of that day was and then we talk about

01:14:59.020 tomorrow oh we don't maybe we just shoot each other maybe that's and maybe that's good

01:15:04.060 i actually i don't i can see i don't think there's going to be journalists in like 10 years i honestly

01:15:12.840 don't i don't i don't think there's going to be a global internet but that's me i i think that i

01:15:17.240 think that ai one of the whole other conversation but i think one of the side effects of ai over

01:15:22.340 the next 10 years will be that global internet is essentially useless because it's so full of junk

01:15:27.020 that unless you're somehow encrypted and you personally know and can trust the person you're 0.96

01:15:31.960 trying to talk to it's meaningless and i i already see that go fucking try to search google for an 0.84

01:15:37.300 actual important topic like how to change the filter on your water purifier right now and tell 0.92

01:15:43.180 me that you don't get literal chinese fluff sites that are just word packing with chat gpt like we

01:15:49.340 already live in that and it's getting worse by the way next week i'm going to have uh the interview

01:15:55.420 is going to be when I was on the Pete Keonis show. And I'm going to kind of spoil that with

01:15:59.840 one of the points I had made because we were talking about marketing related things. And one

01:16:05.560 tip I give people, and this will sound vague, but I'll explain in a second. Whatever it is you're

01:16:12.260 doing, whatever message you're crafting or whatever your project is, always keep asking,

01:16:15.740 what is it that we're actually trying to do? So I'm going to frame that within what you just said

01:16:23.160 with search engines so the story of the search engine when google started but even pre-google

01:16:28.280 like the altavistas and yahoo searches it was treated like a library you have an idea and you

01:16:34.320 type it in and you you get to sort through all the results the innovation of google was that and this

01:16:40.200 is early on they were doing this was trying to predict the results that you want and when this

01:16:47.500 was proposed it was a very interesting and innovative advent it was you know people don't

01:16:53.740 want to search very far people usually don't search past the first page of search results so

01:16:58.780 it's like if we can create a system that can just can give them results based off of things they've

01:17:05.660 searched for in the past and the information we know they're actually looking for maybe it's not

01:17:10.120 the information they need but it's the information they like that is a more effective system and

01:17:15.080 that's that's what started the domino effect of where we are right now um so what they were

01:17:22.920 really trying to do it wasn't provide a better search engine what they are trying to do actually

01:17:29.160 trying to do was give people the thing they want as fast as possible to the point where you shouldn't

01:17:35.120 even really call it a search engine it's a predictive desire engine and they're open with

01:17:41.360 is that's what your cookies are and they that's why they do so much behavioral tracking so to

01:17:47.400 extend that to what you're talking like what is the internet for is it the people like oh you can

01:17:53.020 look up anything is it really do people really look up information like what is the internet

01:17:58.880 what is it really trying to do in the 21st century is it entertainment kind of not really

01:18:07.020 because most of the people who spend all of their time online would not say that they're being

01:18:12.700 entertained okay so it's not for entertainment is it a time sink maybe that's maybe a bit of an

01:18:20.040 editorialized statement but like what is it is it's just a thing that you're supposed to spend

01:18:25.820 time on yes is there a way that ai can maximize just this place that you spend all of your time

01:18:34.200 on and it's not designed to entertain you it's not even designed to really give you accurate

01:18:38.840 information because they've long ago decided that you don't want accurate information or accurate

01:18:44.200 information gets them in trouble so can ai supercharge what the internet is actually for

01:18:49.720 which is you to create a second life on and to spend your time there and divorce you from

01:18:55.320 everything else now what is the ability of artificial intelligence to quite literally

01:19:01.400 suck your life away maybe not you maybe not everyone listening to this but maybe for the

01:19:05.760 average person right i guess because i was gonna say that's kind of like bad bad users driving out 0.92

01:19:11.100 good um because like for me i i'm not i when i was a teenager i was like the perennial wikipedia

01:19:18.980 cruiser just like following like you know link chains and winding up in places like i didn't

01:19:24.100 know that i wanted to read it with that and here i am i don't do that anymore i mostly i have all

01:19:28.360 kinds of hobbies and things that i do i have kids i have multiple businesses i mostly use it to 0.62

01:19:33.340 figure out how to do technical things like how to how to put a fucking import something into canva

01:19:38.480 or how to how to plant a certain plant how to use compost how to build something how to clean my 0.91

01:19:43.920 mozen like but when i search these technically specific things i actually do get trash like ai

01:19:50.980 generated trash and i don't know what these are called because i've only seen it in the past year

01:19:54.420 or so but it's whole websites that if you read through them and you really dice like the grammar

01:19:59.560 and the syntax is fine but you look at the url and you look at the ads and it's like what the 0.90

01:20:04.600 hold on what am i fucking reading this is a bulleted list of shit that's like either ai 0.88

01:20:08.860 generated or pulled from other people's websites and i realize this is i almost have to go on either 0.98

01:20:15.740 archive or to a fucking real library to get this information now because wikipedia is junk and i 0.88

01:20:23.400 can't i can no longer find general interest websites written by experts to to answer my 0.96

01:20:29.040 fucking questions like like in my i'm in zone 6b when do i fucking plant carrots imperator carrots 0.97

01:20:36.000 i don't i mean i know now but it shouldn't have taken me that unironically the thing i get the 0.99

01:20:41.140 most utility from online is the blood satellite chat no just look yeah because it's what is that

01:20:50.380 it's a group of guys and some girls but mainly guys who have life experience and i'm asking i'm

01:20:55.840 getting good advice about like raising a son about guns about growing food and everything

01:21:01.900 none of that shit can i get online if i search like because you are describing the phenomenon 0.69

01:21:08.940 of you're using the internet for what you used to which is to get information you're finding that 0.93

01:21:13.960 you cannot get information from the internet it's becoming that my prediction is 10 years from now

01:21:19.820 it will be completely useless right now the utility of it has dropped like 50 just in the

01:21:24.520 last four or five years for me and because i've always been kind of doing this and i'm realizing

01:21:28.940 i'm spending so much time pages and pages of search results on multiple browsers trying to

01:21:34.220 figure the shit out and it's not even complicated information it's information that i know

01:21:38.360 specifically about gardening like this information ought to be everywhere but it's kind of this thing 0.57

01:21:43.240 that you and i talked about kind of jokingly before like now that this ai and and with software

01:21:48.160 the way that it is we could go and just fill the internet with fluff like a smoke screen to

01:21:53.400 confuse and frustrate people i think somebody or a group of people or just a pattern has emerged

01:21:58.600 where this is being done already it seems like it's already happening yeah and just like people

01:22:03.440 who like again always ask what am i really trying to do here what is actually going on when you

01:22:08.480 watch the news are you watching the news to get informed or you watch the news because you feel

01:22:14.400 like you're a soldier in a culture war most fox news viewers watch the news because they're trying

01:22:20.260 to they feel like they're involved in some kind of meta struggle for the soul of the nation same

01:22:25.720 thing with cnn and because they everyone knows that their news sources are biased maybe some

01:22:31.140 don't maybe msnbc viewers don't but i think if you ever tune into msnbc it's not news it's just

01:22:37.760 ranting and i think people are kind of aware of that but they they're okay with that because

01:22:42.320 that what they're there for is not actually being informed yeah like tucker carlson on fox

01:22:49.220 specifically like that um parasocial relationship that people have with him as a character

01:22:54.300 is like beer hall speeches you know what i mean like it's not and and that's and that's an insult

01:23:01.120 to beer hall speeches because it's much more phony than that but yeah it's not it's because

01:23:06.520 you're tuning in to listen to your conscience that's a strange thing that is like that is what

01:23:12.660 is going on for again think what's going on here it's not the news it's some other psychological

01:23:18.900 unconscious power play happening and then we're asking like with the internet if it's not really

01:23:24.940 for learning anything it's not really for being entertained what can add if ai is supercharging

01:23:30.440 the production of content and the generation of analytics so it more than ever it knows more and

01:23:36.980 more about the people who are using it and increasingly those people are not getting

01:23:41.220 anything that has any utility and they're not enjoying it that's that's never existed that

01:23:47.280 that that phenomena whatever we call it and this i want to hear laughing man or somebody else at

01:23:54.040 some point talk about this but i i think it will reach a point because remember a lot of the stuff

01:23:59.360 is generated based on the revealed preferences of the users right so like i said earlier bad users

01:24:05.840 driving out good first of all good users are going elsewhere and second of all there's a

01:24:09.640 proliferation of bad users who are mostly just bots and predatory humans so at some point most

01:24:15.940 of the information that analytics generated will not be generated about good users searching for

01:24:21.040 things they'll be generated against information about other bots like false users or predatory

01:24:26.520 users and then the new internet will just be trying to drive the traffic of the bots themselves

01:24:33.540 you know what i mean how tell me how that cannot happen i'd like to hear how that's not like that

01:24:38.260 idea it's a certain it's a certainty that that is going to happen maybe we can use that to our

01:24:42.820 advantage where the analytics themselves are being poisoned because like you said there's no real

01:24:48.360 people on there it's only these you know constructs and chimeras and bots that are behaving increasingly

01:24:55.660 like people and artificial intelligences so like then all the user analytical data is going to be

01:25:00.860 polluted but then they will have a false idea of what the nation actually is like they're gonna

01:25:07.420 they're gonna be looking at a like a fake shadow nation thinking it's real like maybe that is our

01:25:12.080 smoke screen in a sense well and i think that's the anhauser-bush thing because it's like at some

01:25:18.160 point somebody looked at the quote-unquote analytics and decided oh definitely our demographic will

01:25:23.560 love this and it's like you couldn't have been more fucking wrong but like did you actually talk 0.75

01:25:28.960 to p like did you do a focus group did you talk to your demographic or did you look at traffic 0.84

01:25:34.220 did you look at the twitter bots and what the twitter bots were talking about because yeah

01:25:38.000 you could be forgiven for thinking that it's really popular and nobody hates trans people at

01:25:42.200 all except actually all of us yeah this is a great tactic if one wanted to wield this for evil

01:25:48.520 purposes you could use this to influence investment and trading decisions you you could

01:25:55.580 pollute because what we're talking about is data pollution on a increasingly sophisticated scale 0.99

01:26:01.700 and maybe i'm just talking off the top of my head i'm shooting from the hip shooting from the ass 0.96

01:26:07.880 but you know i'm thinking like what we're gonna see is like behavioral data that is not usable 0.98

01:26:15.560 anymore or fabric like what what happened with the anheuser-bush thing it's like they they

01:26:20.660 probably really believed that they could get the euphoria crowd you know the people who watch these 0.93

01:26:27.760 these fucking netflix shows about like a mulatto girl looking moody it sounds like i'm describing 1.00

01:26:34.020 euphoria i'm describing 25 shows on netflix right now the the the more red bones the bitch the 1.00

01:26:41.300 bigger the fucking hair one of those shows they for they these people are so easy to fool 0.99

01:26:47.340 you i think you could create subversive campaigns to make corporations you don't like 1.00

01:26:53.180 waste their money on demographics that literally don't exist they don't exist they don't exist

01:26:59.620 i think we could invent a new race i think again 15 guys can make a new race and that's not just 0.97

01:27:07.960 fucking you know tribes that's not going and finding a new type of arab and you know having 0.85

01:27:13.960 a time with i'm talking about making new fake races on the internet and i'm not gonna that's 0.98

01:27:22.140 i don't really have the schematic for that right now but um yeah anyway so one thing i think we

01:27:30.640 have just enough time i don't want to leave this to too little of a window to get through because

01:27:36.580 we're going to talk about something now that i know you're really interested in and you've been

01:27:41.760 doing a bit of research on this as well just completely incidentally but what we're going to

01:27:48.260 do as we sort of graduate from the history arc we've been on and into a really strange esoteric

01:27:56.980 one that i'm going to have a lot of fun with over the next few episodes but this is sort of the gray

01:28:02.560 area transitioning between history and esotericism we're going to talk about atlantis nice now we

01:28:11.380 touched on atlantis in the past we had an episode and a clip if people want to look that up we

01:28:17.240 reviewed a book called arctos by jocelyn godwin it's a very good book about that's where we get

01:28:24.360 into hyperborea and lemuria and these sort of it was billed as sort of the nazi you know north pole

01:28:32.020 myths but it gets into all that ancient esoteric stuff and atlantis is mentioned in it so we kind

01:28:38.280 of talked about atlantis didn't dive too much into it this is a pretty comprehensive book i got here

01:28:44.240 it is called the empires of atlantis by marco m vagato and the subtitle here is the origins of

01:28:53.920 ancient civilizations and mystery traditions throughout the ages so it's a pretty big book

01:29:00.840 uh it's bigger than you would think because on one hand you're thinking did i miss a lot of

01:29:06.740 evidence about atlantis and there's quite a bit of uh research put into this discussing the

01:29:11.340 sources of atlantis some people think it's just plato who made up atlantis and just sort of used

01:29:17.240 it as a metaphor there's actually more historical ancient evidence for the place if not directly

01:29:25.300 called Atlantis than called something else but is in the same region and would function like Atlantis

01:29:31.500 now where the book goes with that I might have some issues with but so there's parts of the book

01:29:39.260 I might not cover as much but I'll explain kind of what I'm talking about so at the beginning

01:29:43.320 of the book it's really about the history of Atlantis and the descriptions of Atlantis and

01:29:47.600 all the evidence behind what could very well have been a place that was Atlantis now was Atlantis

01:29:54.320 full of flying cars and energy beings some people say yes i would say no but you could say atlantis

01:30:02.680 was the home of an advanced civilization for the time and maybe by advanced civilization we mean

01:30:10.200 something on the level of ancient egypt you know advanced for the time okay you know once you say

01:30:17.860 that maybe fair enough the problem and and maybe you can discuss this in a bit because you were

01:30:24.320 one thing that comes up in this book is a graham hancock and once you get into these guys who are

01:30:31.400 i think correctly stating that human civilization like we talked about the stone age book previously

01:30:37.700 human civilization is far far older than most historians want to admit and there's probably

01:30:43.700 advanced civilizations that existed way way before we thought they were and they were wiped out for

01:30:49.040 whatever reason however one thing i don't think i agree with is that and i think this is what

01:30:55.540 graham hancock does and a few others and other esotericists they'll say that there was sort of

01:31:00.920 a patient zero of civilization sort of like the tower of babel the idea that there was one ancient

01:31:07.100 civilization that fractured and that's where every advanced civilization came from so that's the

01:31:13.480 story he's selling in the book that atlantis was such an it was the only advanced civilization

01:31:19.420 and it kind of gave birth to ancient egypt and these like the aztecs and things like that

01:31:26.380 um i'm not sure i believe that it's but that's that's where he spends kind of the back end of

01:31:31.340 the book that the real thesis of the book is that every advanced civilization was founded by atlantis

01:31:37.900 um and it goes right up until the modern age as well so not sure i agree with that but you know

01:31:46.280 some people do the real stuff that i liked was at the beginning now i wanted to throw it to you

01:31:52.340 for a second because you you were kind of watching were you saying you're watching something kind of

01:31:56.820 atlantis related recently yeah we were watching the new graham hancock series on netflix i can't

01:32:03.040 remember what it's called no honey what was it you know what it's called ancient ancient aliens

01:32:08.780 no it wasn't called it's ancient something but he touches like episodes seven and eight he starts

01:32:13.620 like touching on the idea that it was atlantis and he's being pretty conservative about it like

01:32:18.540 what you were saying he's his whole like thrust was that um contemporary historians want to say

01:32:25.600 that like all creativity in in human you know civilization started right after the stone age

01:32:32.340 And he's saying that like in Koblaki Tepe and all these other places, there's evidence that they were actually just coming down off of something at the end of the Stone Age.

01:32:43.980 Or sorry, at the end of the Ice Age is what I meant to say.

01:32:46.280 And that during the Ice Age, there must have been something else because there's no way that all of these cultures had similar technologies.

01:32:53.860 Not super advanced.

01:32:55.040 They were Stone Age technologies.

01:32:56.120 But the point is, there's no way they all came out of nowhere in a similar fashion within a 500 year period, right as the Ice Age ended.

01:33:04.040 There must have been somebody alive during the Ice Age who knew how to, for example, make flint tools.

01:33:09.940 Yeah. And also one thing that's not even hotly debated, I think, about the Ice Age was, and this had never occurred to me before, but they were saying that woolly mammoths were essentially flash frozen.

01:33:22.760 um so we have this idea that woolly mammoths existed in the north pole but they made a good

01:33:29.840 point or like in a frozen tundra area and they said that doesn't make sense because for a mammal

01:33:36.260 that size it needs a lot of food to survive there's no way it would an animal like that would

01:33:41.560 live in a frozen wasteland and they said what they found with woolly mammoths a lot of the carcasses

01:33:47.220 it's like they were flash frozen like they were frozen very very fast to the point that they had

01:33:53.400 like undigested food in their stomachs it's not like they keeled over and died it's like they

01:33:57.360 were something happened where they froze they died and froze very very quickly in a way that

01:34:02.660 doesn't even make a whole lot of sense um so i said something crazy happened this is where you

01:34:08.360 get into not go blacky tabby but the younger driest younger drives it's this uh they say

01:34:14.080 the giant meteor impact and that's still debated like some people don't like that idea that there

01:34:18.940 was a giant meteor or comet that impacted that that might have been the cause of all these flood

01:34:27.260 myths you know that this this comet impact happened like 10 000 years ago whatever it is

01:34:32.960 which seems to coincide with a lot of the flood myth like how every single culture in the world

01:34:39.740 has a great flood myth and some historians will say that's just a coincidence but they're saying

01:34:46.140 well no maybe or it could be that there was maybe not a maybe not the entire world was submerged

01:34:52.080 in water that just disappeared but there was a dramatic sea level rise that swallowed up most

01:34:59.560 of these advanced cities because what the humans like to do they like to build their cities by

01:35:05.540 shorelines and water and coasts especially if they're a city that trades or they're a seafaring

01:35:12.400 race a seafaring people rather so yeah and i thought graham hancock the one thing he had said

01:35:17.420 was you know this is why underwater archaeology would be the most exciting field of study the

01:35:22.540 problem is of course it's very very difficult but he's like you know like if you want to look for

01:35:26.160 advanced like lost cities you're probably going to be looking in the ocean you know that's that's

01:35:32.340 actually one of the specific ones that i to me like the absence of discussion about it makes me

01:35:37.940 believe that the the contemporary historians definitely are hiding something or they're

01:35:44.460 not being completely upfront about it because nobody disagrees that there have been massive

01:35:50.140 sea level changes and nobody disagrees that during the period of those changes there were other

01:35:54.980 civilizations so if you're telling me that there were massive fertile flood deltas all over the

01:36:00.740 place and then the sea level rose that you don't think it's important to consider even if it was

01:36:08.020 just stone age people that like it doesn't matter to you that there might be thousands of really 0.96

01:36:13.940 important historical sites that are 20 meters under the water like in fucking what is it dog 0.98

01:36:19.440 dog dogger land yeah that's the one no no i think i think it might well because there's a point made 0.95

01:36:25.120 in the book that atlantis um i'm kind of skipping ahead here but atlantis was one giant landmass

01:36:32.120 but then over time there was a couple of floods that hit atlantis and then it broke into two

01:36:38.040 islands and at various points and then into kind of a chain of islands and at various points there

01:36:43.260 were different names for these islands but the one thing he points to is that ancient accounts

01:36:47.280 point to a land mass in this general area because they'll say oh it's west of here right west of

01:36:54.280 you know britain but there's nothing there's nothing there and they're not talking about

01:36:58.700 ireland because they described ireland over here so they're like okay they pointed to

01:37:02.720 this area of the ocean where there should have been something and i think the the one thing they

01:37:08.160 point to is the mid-atlantic ridge which we'll get to in a second like could the mid-atlantic ridge

01:37:13.480 have been above ground you know we'll see in a second but just to give some people some

01:37:18.580 background on atlantis that's outlined in the book just the basic data that atlantis existed

01:37:25.180 around 10 000 years ago and the claim is that it made an imprint on every single subsequent

01:37:32.400 civilization and is what i described as the patient zero for all civilization it said atlantis thrived

01:37:39.900 during the last ice age and collapsed due to a chain of cataclysms that culminated in a comet 0.63

01:37:46.500 strike 11 000 years ago this would probably be where we cross over to the young and dryas sort

01:37:51.560 of thing um at the peak of the last golden age before we entered the kali yuga and also there's

01:37:58.260 a lot of esoteric terminology here so you're seeing the story of atlantis you know coincide

01:38:05.160 with the kali yuga with the silver age the golden age a lot of this is sourced from esoteric writers

01:38:10.780 as well so it's impossible to really tell the story of atlantis without getting into a lot of

01:38:16.120 that esoteric you know Kali Yuga type stuff which we're going to get into later in this episode

01:38:22.160 after we're done I speak with Philosophacat where we go really really deep into what exactly we're

01:38:28.020 talking about with the Kali Yuga I'm gonna leave I'm not gonna get into that now keep listening

01:38:31.960 we'll get to that in a little bit but um the description of Atlantis was that it was a crossed

01:38:37.820 by canals and ditches so it had this sort of grid-like structure all this water these waterways

01:38:44.320 man-made waterways crossing it it had a capital city that was circular in shape and they were an

01:38:51.960 advanced seafaring civilization which is important because the story is that atlantis reached out

01:38:57.980 and started colonies all over the place which is how they were survived later we'll get into that

01:39:04.260 in a second but and i'm just going to read in the book he kind of gives a bullet point

01:39:09.920 description here so he says um yeah atlantis was a basalt continent located in the region

01:39:18.400 of the mid-atlantic ridge and primarily connected to europe africa and north america by temporary

01:39:24.640 land bridges uh atlanta over the course of the pleocene epoch 5.3 to 2.6 million years ago

01:39:34.320 and for much of the Pliocene Epoch, Atlantis existed as two separate islands, a northern island

01:39:40.160 called Poseidonis, perhaps still connected to Europe and North America, and a southern island

01:39:46.280 called Daitia, D-A-I-T-Y-A, as well as the equatorial archipelago.

01:39:55.580 the northern island of poseidonus still existed as a sizable land mass until the last ice age

01:40:05.580 when it sank as a result of tectonic movements and a general rise in global sea levels

01:40:11.920 the area occupied by these island groups must have been much larger in antiquity

01:40:20.720 forests and navigable rivers still existed um the homeric islands of sharia and augedia

01:40:28.860 and the medieval anatilla all located in the same region may have been among

01:40:36.480 the last remnants of poseidonus above water so again what we're saying is like poseidonus

01:40:42.700 sorry atlantis didn't sink all at once it sank by degrees over time um and the capital

01:40:50.460 city of atlantis was called basilia uh circular design designed with concentric circles of moats

01:40:57.440 and one great canal running through it so it's like circles going out and one line that cuts

01:41:02.740 through it if anyone wants to fuck around in atlantis there's this game called assassin's

01:41:07.300 creed odyssey um i don't know if anyone played that there's a dlc for that game where you get

01:41:13.500 to run around in atlantis and for i they modeled it pretty closely to this like if you actually

01:41:19.960 want to like because it's like a parkour game anyone's played assassin's creed um you could

01:41:24.660 like literally just run around atlantis and it's got canals and concentric circles and different

01:41:28.700 layers it's kind of trippy to run through so people just want to take a tour of atlantis

01:41:32.820 go get that one um so there's um around the year 35 000 bce um there's there's talk that

01:41:46.980 there's this thing called the

01:41:48.820 Barossus List.

01:41:50.820 They discovered this list of kings.

01:41:54.280 And it goes

01:41:55.320 back 430,000

01:41:57.860 years. And so

01:41:59.280 that's one of the pieces of evidence they use

01:42:01.520 for a lot of these ancient

01:42:03.200 civilizations. Now, some people

01:42:04.920 totally discount that or say it's something

01:42:07.080 different. But

01:42:08.480 it says here, one tablet in

01:42:11.140 particular, now known as

01:42:12.820 Nippur Tablet B, contained

01:42:15.120 what appeared to be a fragment from a longer king list the surviving portion of the text

01:42:20.420 mentioned 11 dynasties with their respective years of reign after which some tantalizing

01:42:26.000 totals were given 11 royal cities their total 134 kings um total 28 000 years in 1921 a similar

01:42:38.420 document known as the Weld-Blundell prism surfaced from excavations in Larsa, a city in

01:42:45.380 ancient Sumer. This is where we get into, in the Bible, they talk about antediluvian kings.

01:42:52.980 In the Bible, they talk about kings that have existed like hundreds of thousands of years in

01:42:57.480 the past, and we'll get into this next episode when we discuss the sacred and the profane. But

01:43:02.380 basically it's they find documents in these ancient cities where they record lists of kings

01:43:09.620 from the past and they find that these king lists go back 400 000 years so they're saying there must

01:43:15.180 have been these ancient civilizations going back way way further than we thought now there's a few

01:43:19.800 examples of this i'm not saying i can't speak to the archaeological relevance of them but just to

01:43:25.980 lend a notion here that it's not just plato using a metaphor right they actually have more accounts

01:43:33.080 of not only ancient dynasties but ancient dynasties from that area of the world now

01:43:38.780 where this gets kind of kooky is that if once you read into these uh discovered king lists

01:43:45.880 it seems to imply that each king ruled for like three thousand years so this this is where you

01:43:53.340 get into this idea that the atlanteans were a mystical or a non-human or at least a supernatural

01:44:00.080 type of people that lived for tens of thousands of years and this is if you read the esotericists

01:44:07.720 that's what they believe if you read renee guenon um this is sort of the the reign of quant it's

01:44:14.280 this idea that in ancient history humans lived like gods and we only live like shitty humans now

01:44:21.060 because we live in a fallen state so it would seem to imply that if you want to take some of

01:44:26.860 this evidence at its surface level word it requires you to think that atlanteans were

01:44:31.660 also like 20 feet tall and lived for 30 000 years just just saying that okay um yeah and

01:44:38.920 in fact i'll just read a thing here where it kind of outright says that where it says that

01:44:43.060 the beings in the first atlantean period were descended gods and double entities that lived

01:44:49.440 in the north pole and how atlantis is the true cradle of civilization all right it says the

01:44:55.400 beginnings of atlantean civilization are shrouded in mystery according to the esoteric tradition

01:45:01.300 higher spiritual entities took human form and incarnated on earth at the beginning of the

01:45:06.860 atlantean period uh it's quoting here they were therefore divine humans double entities higher

01:45:13.120 spirits who had taken human bodies wrote the great philosopher and esotericist rudolph steiner

01:45:18.320 who also added that quote their true home was not on the earth such a view is not incompatible

01:45:24.600 with that of the evolutionary theory but it requires considering the possibility of a separate

01:45:30.160 physical and psycho-spiritual evolution of man so you know if you want it seems that most people

01:45:38.180 think you know at the story of atlantis like we covered in that arctos book this is where you get

01:45:43.060 into the hyperborean stuff this is where you get into the energy beings and whether or not they

01:45:47.080 were gods or demigods or what we would think are gods but are some trans-dimensional being

01:45:53.140 um that's that's where you get and that atlantis was sort of gods becoming more human there's sort

01:45:59.540 of like an intermediary step between gods and humans on their way to becoming you know what

01:46:05.280 we are now um it just it says here aside from plato everyone's familiar with that's what people

01:46:12.880 say plato invented it there's mention of atlantis by uh hellenicus in 490 bce and herodotus so

01:46:23.940 there's other even in that period there's other philosophers who make mention of atlantis that

01:46:29.000 you know maybe plato pulled it from and plato's account itself was handed down from solon who

01:46:34.840 got it from the egyptians um and they said it happened in 9600 bce um and uh some extra evidence

01:46:44.500 here just to show the breadth and the scope of people talking about it says uh the pyramids in

01:46:50.000 both ancient egypt and mexico tell of an island of ancients um and in egyptian they call it the

01:46:56.840 island of the egg that was destroyed by a great serpent and in these texts they describe groups

01:47:02.400 of survivors wandering off and restarting civilization so there's a lot of talk of you

01:47:08.880 know the great serpent coming from the sky that was a comet that was the younger driest comet

01:47:13.760 and that there's stories in a lot of these ancient cultures the egyptians the sumerians and a lot of

01:47:19.080 like the aztecs of a great catastrophe destroying an island and these wise refugees spreading out

01:47:26.100 from there and sort of starting colonies all throughout the world now again maybe that's a

01:47:30.720 bit of a stretch but it's a common enough story and it's a specific enough story to give one pause

01:47:37.160 and here's uh ancient traditions from around the world tell a very consistent story of a lost world

01:47:46.720 that was destroyed and of how a mysterious company of gods traveled the lengths of the known world

01:47:52.860 and the aftermath of a global cataclysm to restart civilization after an unknown period of time

01:47:59.840 the next record describes an attack on the i'm kind of skipping ahead here attack on the island

01:48:04.620 conducted by an enemy described as a snake as a consequence of which quote the island was

01:48:10.180 destroyed and all of its divine inhabitants perished we have here writes raymond the clear

01:48:16.520 picture of a disaster that caused the feet of the creator to be pierced and the ground of the island

01:48:22.300 to split a time of darkness followed during which the first generation of gods remained concealed

01:48:27.980 underneath the field of reeds this is pulled from an egyptian story so what he's basically

01:48:34.520 saying that this was just sort of like atlantean refugees starting colonies and intermingling with

01:48:39.560 people he makes a claim here i'm not sure i agree with it but i'm just going to say it he says

01:48:46.280 atlante at atlantean was one of the original root races of man taught by the divine beings

01:48:54.580 themselves um and the sub races of the atlantean race are the uh ramohal tiavati toltec tenarian

01:49:04.900 ancient semite akkadian and mongolian seemed like kind of a murderer's row of weird guys there so

01:49:14.700 i'm not sure what that means but i think he's trying to say like the mongols are descended

01:49:18.160 from atlanteans sure um and the story of what led you know you can say atlantis was destroyed

01:49:29.900 by tectonic shifts or a common impact the story of why that happened like if you are getting into

01:49:35.980 the esoteric stuff you know the story has to be that they deserved it um so they say what led to

01:49:41.700 the collapse of the atlantean period was their use of sorcery or what he describes as semi-scientific 0.97

01:49:48.140 manipulation of nature so that could be interpreted as real sorcery or they were just trying to fuck

01:49:55.100 with nature with technology like we might even be doing um the second collapse was the one recorded

01:50:01.980 by plato so like i said there was two catastrophes that hit atlantis there's two floods there's the

01:50:07.260 first flood that separates it into a bunch of islands and there's the one that finally finishes

01:50:11.140 it off by play so both of these according to legend were caused by the atlanteans

01:50:16.520 fucking around in places they shouldn't have been and the gods punishing them um so the first one it

01:50:22.640 was it was sorcery um yeah there were two great floods that hit atlantis the first was called the 0.97

01:50:29.740 fall and ushered in the silver age because if you go into the kali yuga stuff there's the golden age

01:50:35.420 the silver age so the the first the fall ushered in the silver age and it spanned the entire length 0.67

01:50:42.260 of atlantis the second flood totally sank atlantis and spread their civilization outward around

01:50:47.240 10 961 bce and that is what uh coincided with the younger dryas um

01:50:54.300 and it says civilizations from around the world including the uh this is gonna i can't read this

01:51:01.660 it's a type of the x-o-c-h-i-c-a-l-o the zo shallow in mexico the ojibwa and the book of

01:51:10.200 revelation speak of a cataclysmic comic impact around that time um and many describe it as a

01:51:16.940 snake attack and in the next episode we talk about the sacred the profane we'll see the significance

01:51:22.080 of snake imagery and all of this but um and what this comet impact did um according to the stories

01:51:29.920 was it caused the glacial floods all the ice caps melt volcanic eruptions devastating fires all over

01:51:37.820 the fucking place um and to me like that's the thing that i don't even think it's hotly debated 0.73

01:51:44.040 these days but you know that is something that even if it didn't hit atlantis it would have 0.99

01:51:49.000 risen the sea levels significantly to sink it as well as many other places um and in fact i'll

01:51:56.740 describe it here there's he just kind of describes how the mid-atlantic ridge could be atlantis so

01:52:02.540 it says drained of the ocean's waters the mid-atlantic ridge would appear as a continuous

01:52:08.880 mountain range comparable in length to the combined andes and rocky mountains of the americas with

01:52:14.460 heights comparable to the himalayas the present-day azores might as cape verde and canary islands

01:52:19.840 represent but the highest peaks of this this submerged submerged range the ridge is considered

01:52:27.720 a major terrestrial fault line

01:52:29.680 where the pressure exerted on the terrestrial

01:52:31.740 crust by the rising magma is responsible

01:52:33.760 for the constant rising and sinking

01:52:35.440 of the ocean floor.

01:52:38.440 Russian scientist

01:52:39.760 Nikolai Zirov and Swedish

01:52:41.500 anthropologist Rene Malaise

01:52:43.440 also took this evidence as indicative of

01:52:45.640 the catastrophic

01:52:47.280 subsistence of the mid-Atlantic ridge and the

01:52:49.660 sinking of a vast continental

01:52:51.900 landmass by as many as

01:52:53.840 3,300

01:52:55.760 meters in the recent geological past so there are people who think try and speculate if you look at

01:53:02.320 the map here the mid-atlantic ridge the way it looks it really does reach out if you were to

01:53:07.440 lower the oceans levels by increasing you know the amount of ice in the north and south poles

01:53:13.320 it is something that connects to north america and uh and europe as well and it is in the location

01:53:21.340 described in Atlantis so you know something to chew on and here's something he mentioned here

01:53:31.260 that really gave me pause and it made me once again return to David Lynch so there's a group

01:53:39.820 of Atlantean elites called the White Lodge that's spoken of in esoteric literature and if anyone

01:53:48.420 knows anything about twin peaks they know about the white lodge and the black lodge and it kind

01:53:53.020 of recontextualized i just thought by lodge they meant like a ski lodge or something but the white

01:53:58.100 lodge is describing like a group of you know paranormal elites so i guess david lynch knew

01:54:04.680 a lot about atlantis um so in fact i'm gonna go just through a brief history of atlantis because

01:54:12.140 he's got a bullet point here that kind of describes it so the three ages at the three

01:54:16.780 ages of atlantis according to traditional chronologies the first one is the first atlantean

01:54:22.420 period 432 000 years ago this is the primeval age of the gods um the city of the golden gates is

01:54:30.540 founded um there's the war between the children of the law of one and the sons of belial uh the

01:54:37.920 fall of man atlantis destroyed the white lodge retreats underground at let occult sciences around

01:54:44.080 this time reach their peak in atlantis and atlantean magic degenerates into sorcery

01:54:49.200 after the white lodge retreats underground we have the second atlantean period

01:54:53.560 that's the founding of the second atlantean empire uh atlantean colonization this take this

01:55:00.180 is around 35 000 bce um atlantean colonization establishment of african egyptian and south

01:55:07.780 american colonies um atlantean civilization recovers under the guide of the initiates of

01:55:16.360 the white lodge an arian empire of the fifth root race is established in the gobi desert

01:55:22.140 which at this time wouldn't be a desert it would be sort of a utopian oasis then the

01:55:28.220 younger dryas comet impacts them this is the sinking of the second uh era of atlantis this

01:55:36.040 leads into the third era of atlantis the neo-atlantian period this is the main wave of

01:55:41.820 atlantean colonization into egypt and south america rise of the neo-atlantian empires in

01:55:47.600 the west the hegemony of the hieracanopolis in the mediterranean this is where he's saying

01:55:56.260 that they actually founded these ancient like the aztecs and these ancient like mexican empires

01:56:00.200 i'm not sure about that because even then they seem kind of savage you know what i mean

01:56:04.800 like they're still like doing like carving out the hearts of kids and doing human sacrifices

01:56:09.840 it's difficult for me to look at some of these like ancient mexico as big as the empires were 0.99

01:56:15.640 to see them as direct colon as colonizers of an advanced civilization when they were so fucked up

01:56:22.320 anyway um the post-atlantean period is 9600 bce this is uh the thulian invasion of the 0.70

01:56:32.720 mediterranean from the north he this is where he starts we get into like ancient egypt and stuff

01:56:38.920 this is where he's like saying the sea peoples who overtook ancient egypt which we discussed

01:56:44.320 on the show were actually refugees from thule and then like he he's bringing like atlantean history

01:56:51.780 right up until like ancient greece by saying like actually the ancient greeks themselves were

01:56:56.500 atlanteans and like now you're getting into more definite records and just trying to say that like

01:57:02.400 uh if you look at the vikings like they they were a kind of a lot like i mean you're not going to

01:57:07.520 tell me the vikings were atlanteans you're just not like that that devalues what the vikings were

01:57:13.460 you know i mean yeah i just wanted to say like give some names to like what like within the

01:57:19.700 story of atlantis you have the story of like the the types of elites and the types of wars and

01:57:24.660 now you get into like race mixing because he talks about how the atlanteans kind of fled and

01:57:30.440 interbred with the neanderthals and they gave birth to what we know as the arians and then you

01:57:36.600 know now you're getting into arian mythology but he's making a case that you know essentially a

01:57:42.360 lot of like the arian people today are descendants of like the the fusion of atlanteans and neanderthals

01:57:49.000 and now you get into like the race science stuff which some people don't like which is why

01:57:52.680 a lot of people i think dismiss this entirely because there's so much race science that goes

01:57:57.400 into it um and he even says like there's speculation in the book that the sudden

01:58:04.420 appearance of the chrome magnum man throughout europe was due to he's saying that the chrome

01:58:10.400 magnums were an atlantean slave race that that was like hybridized um and that he says that's

01:58:18.500 backed up by sumerian legends about man being a combination of gods and lower creatures so

01:58:24.180 again now you're getting into like almost like hp lovecraft like oh not only did atlantis they had

01:58:29.740 like monsters that they had too and and in a sense we're the monsters and like okay now we're getting

01:58:34.920 we're wandering off the reservation of this one i think anyway um and and just to kind of wrap this

01:58:42.000 up sort of the the magic aspect of it so like the esotericists also claim that atlanteans

01:58:46.760 were the first race to harness vril or mana the vital life essence and use it for technological

01:58:52.820 purposes which is so like their harnessing of real led to the technological decadence um and

01:59:00.740 also in he he claims in the book that this is this had them creating magnetic airships and

01:59:07.340 you're creating energy crystals which led to their downfall um and he says like they were

01:59:12.940 the first to worship at the altar of matter um and and there's a claim that you know the younger

01:59:19.800 Drys impact this this gets interesting I don't know what to make of this but we talked about

01:59:25.960 this in the Arctos book where it said in the past the earth did not used to have a tilted axis

01:59:32.800 in the past the earth didn't even have seasons this idea that we have seasons didn't exist it

01:59:38.760 was perfectly aligned and every sort of latitude of earth had one consistent season and something

01:59:46.140 kicked the earth off its axis and they're saying it was this massive common impact so this is where

01:59:52.340 you know the esoteric history is getting into something that might actually have happened like 0.95

01:59:56.560 there there might very well have been a impact on earth that tilted it off its axis and fucked

02:00:03.280 everything up and gave birth to this thing called seasons right because you know other planets in

02:00:09.320 the solar system they have a more you know aligned axis and then it's not as erratic as earth and

02:00:15.800 earth has very erratic climate for the type of planet that it is i think um so that's when you

02:00:22.880 talk about esoteric stuff they talk about like in the past everything is perfect catastrophe happened

02:00:28.680 and now everything's in flux and so imagine this i guess this is what i'm trying to get at

02:00:34.020 in the past there was sort of this concept of eternal time if there was no such thing as seasons

02:00:42.640 if there is no such thing as you know the spring summer winter you know things rise and fall they

02:00:49.480 live and they die and they cycle through uh there might not have had been a concept of

02:00:54.940 circular time or cyclical time you know this very idea of cyclical time they're saying could have

02:01:00.720 been birthed by this common impact otherwise everything would have been consistent forever

02:01:06.740 everything would have been a utopia forever or a desert forever and things wouldn't be erratic so

02:01:11.680 they're toying around this idea that

02:01:14.320 a comet impact gave

02:01:16.460 birth to the idea of cyclical

02:01:18.360 time which killed the

02:01:20.440 concept of eternity on earth

02:01:22.240 you kind of see what I'm getting at there

02:01:23.780 yeah

02:01:24.720 which you know maybe 0.99

02:01:28.380 is some pretty bold shit 0.95

02:01:29.780 it's bold but it's interesting it's interesting to 0.99

02:01:32.340 like take a scientific view

02:01:34.300 of

02:01:35.500 how the concept of eternity might

02:01:38.460 have existed back then like

02:01:39.940 they're not eternal beings but they're it might just be that they didn't have seasons yet and

02:01:44.480 that a comet fucked it up and that's what led to these new concepts and ways of living anyway but

02:01:49.400 he thinks he thinks the comet that caused the younger dryas was capable of knocking the earth

02:01:55.120 five degrees off its axis that's what he says yeah i don't know like we'd have to get into the

02:02:00.380 i'm not a physicist i am not a physicist but it seems to me blatantly insane

02:02:05.460 well let's get a comet guy on we get our get our resident comet man who have we got yeah

02:02:15.440 um and so just one last part here we'll get into um because i know we're getting pretty long here

02:02:22.160 um he talks about those who survived the flood that second conflagration on atlantis

02:02:29.220 um they often had stories of surviving on mountaintops or on boats and this is where

02:02:34.120 you get into the nose arc myth this is where you get into the zoroastrian avesta myths this is where

02:02:39.740 you get into the sumerian flood stories he says there's over 600 world mythologies that include

02:02:46.960 a world flood myth and they talk of survivors all kind of surviving in the exact same way

02:02:52.760 in each of these myths he claims a boat comes to rest at an elevation of between 2500 and 3000 meters

02:03:01.580 above sea level um so people think like noah's ark that's one version of it but there's actually

02:03:09.040 lots of versions of that and it might not be you know it might have been as reductive as one guy

02:03:13.220 on a boat with all these animals but it could very well be that certain advanced seafaring

02:03:18.340 civilizations who were able to survive maybe like again the the entire world wasn't underwater but

02:03:25.580 there are certain areas where you would have had to come to rest on something like a mountaintop

02:03:30.820 maybe similar another thing not only that this is where they talk we're getting into that deep

02:03:36.600 lore on atlantean knowledge that you might hear brought up a lot talk they says middle eastern

02:03:41.900 egyptian and jewish histories cite hidden subterranean vaults of knowledge and wisdom

02:03:47.840 to keep safe until after the flood so there's two things that happen you have people surviving the

02:03:53.180 flood on boats and coming to rest on the tops of mountains and you have people who see the flood

02:03:57.080 coming and try and keep all this ancient knowledge underground in secret vaults they're called the

02:04:02.600 antediluvian vaults or the yucatan hall of records a lot of these cultures have different names from

02:04:07.880 them they're all kind of the same thing the hidden libraries of tibet are another one um the apollonius

02:04:16.120 is a historical figure who claimed to have actually seen it in the himalayas no one can

02:04:20.760 actually prove it but there's throughout time there's people who claim to get access to this

02:04:24.920 like deep deep lore and all this knowledge um and similarly and this is where we're getting into the

02:04:33.080 atlantean refugee uh lore that many civilizations around the world speak of a race of fair-skinned

02:04:39.960 advanced sages who came bearing knowledge he mentions this in peru and mexico and in persia

02:04:47.800 and even egypt tells of a dynastic race that appears outside of egypt and across the sahara

02:04:54.280 to bring divine teachings and metalworking and i'll just read a part here about that

02:05:03.320 this is called the neo-atlantean period it says in the aftermath of the younger

02:05:08.920 dryas cataclysm and following the sinking of the largest portion of the atlantean land mass

02:05:14.600 in 10961 bce egypt of all the countries received the greatest influx of atlantean refugees by then

02:05:21.960 Egypt was already the seat of an important Atlantean colony.

02:05:26.100 According to the chronology of Manitho,

02:05:30.380 the demigods ruled over Egypt from 14125 BCE to 12870 BCE.

02:05:38.240 If a foreign people, maybe from Atlantis, migrated into Egypt from the Sahara,

02:05:43.360 this could explain the mysterious appearance of what Egyptologist Sir William M. Flinders Petrie

02:05:49.580 And Walter Emery called the, quote, dynastic race, which first brought into Egypt knowledge of agriculture, stone working and metal working.

02:05:59.180 So, you know, there are some historians who, I guess, are trying to speak of this, like these race, this race that just showed up out of nowhere, bringing advanced knowledge.

02:06:10.880 And we're going to get into this next time when we speak of this race that you hear about in the Bible and other places called the Nephilim.

02:06:18.000 um there's kind of a debate about what those creatures are in this book he's making the case

02:06:24.480 that the nephilim were atlantean human hybrids uh from the refugees of atlantis who bred with

02:06:30.600 regular people it said they're 75 atlantean and 25 chromagnon with elongated deformed skulls

02:06:38.920 and this is where you know some people have there's evidence of this i don't know what the

02:06:43.400 consensus on this is but throughout time they find like weird shaped skulls some people say

02:06:48.940 it's due to skull binding some people crystal skulls are another one there he's making the

02:06:54.740 case that this was kind of a a race that had kind of alien shaped skulls um and these were the

02:07:00.760 nephilim um and the nephilim in one way or another are spoken of throughout history of like they

02:07:05.980 showed up bringing esoteric wisdom and advanced knowledge and sorcery and things like that

02:07:11.260 and then eventually either died out

02:07:14.100 or got bred into the population.

02:07:17.780 And he makes a claim that this neo-Atlantean

02:07:20.560 sort of Nephilim race

02:07:21.860 reconstructed the Atlantean Empire

02:07:24.280 after the final cataclysm, 1.00

02:07:26.480 utilizing all that antediluvian technology

02:07:29.060 and reintroduced agriculture

02:07:31.460 and transatlantic communication of the world,

02:07:34.460 tried to set up a new Atlantis

02:07:36.320 that controlled the world.

02:07:37.560 They failed.

02:07:38.340 um and that that's basically the end of atlantis that's essentially the story of atlantis now

02:07:45.780 the beginning i think has a bit more solid if we can call it that solid data the rest of it is

02:07:53.720 a bit in a bit more gray and it requires you to believe of the magic almost extraterrestrial

02:08:01.780 engineers going throughout the world and founding these civilizations

02:08:06.420 and kind of teaching everyone about agriculture you know as if agriculture was really

02:08:12.660 as if that these civilizations didn't come up with that on their own anyway what are your

02:08:17.760 thoughts on that what are your thoughts on atlantis um i wish i knew i wish i knew i

02:08:25.500 definitely think here's the thing atlantis is real fight me but also we're never i don't know

02:08:32.860 if we're ever gonna know what it actually was i think it would be great in our lifetime to see

02:08:37.980 an exploration of some of these sites specifically the submerged ones or wherever else that because 0.95

02:08:45.140 it really comes down to these contemporary historians and what what are they fucking

02:08:48.620 blocking right like if we can end run around them and do actual research not we like not we're gonna

02:08:54.740 do it but somebody should you know the graham hancocks of the world because i'd like to know

02:08:59.820 and it does seem like even if it's something as simple as it was just like an egypt level

02:09:05.360 civilization that was during the ice age that's important to our history right so yeah well and

02:09:10.860 there's even there's not no shortage of evidence from pulled from the past of cartographers and

02:09:19.680 navigators and learned men pointing to that part of the world and saying something was there you

02:09:25.720 know even the uh piri reis p-i-r-i-r-e-i-s a famous ottoman navigator no famous for the piri

02:09:33.920 reis map which show it's like this ancient map that shows all these land masses that

02:09:38.760 people don't see anymore they're thinking like oh did he just make that up and that's kind of

02:09:43.860 what a lot of historians think that these are just flights of fancy um that who you know this

02:09:48.380 just they the idea that a bunch of cartographers just randomly drew fake maps for fun i guess

02:09:55.300 would be the implication there right but there's no shortage of maps and accounts of some kind of

02:10:01.840 land mass in that area and maybe it's not full of magnetic starships and energy crystals and you

02:10:10.360 know extraterrestrial like sorcerers um and energy beings but i don't think it's a stretch to say

02:10:17.340 there was an advanced civilization advanced for the time there and maybe they indeed did indeed

02:10:23.100 star colonies maybe they did indeed you have refugees that went to these other empires and

02:10:28.920 brought some form of knowledge there um but it wasn't knowledge it wasn't enough knowledge to

02:10:35.200 similarly turn those civilizations into spacefaring civilizations with energy ships right

02:10:42.120 because it like and i have no problem believing that there was a massive flood

02:10:46.560 and that there are people who on seafaring civilizations who did survive and maybe indeed

02:10:53.280 they kept you know vaults of knowledge who maybe it was a way to make starships or maybe it was just

02:11:00.520 histories you know they kept it was an underground vaults like it doesn't seem crazy to me

02:11:05.400 that there's vaults around the world full of ancient scrolls you know that's once you like

02:11:12.100 once you phrase it like that it doesn't sound that crazy but i i there's something about atlantis

02:11:18.220 where no one wants to take it seriously i'm not sure why and i'm not sure why even people like

02:11:23.640 graham hancock where you might go off the reservation a little bit and other guys like

02:11:27.640 him i'm just like it seems reasonable like all who the the types of people who are talking about

02:11:35.440 atlantis can never exist are the same people telling you that new york city is going to be

02:11:41.700 underwater unless everyone drives electric cars yeah yeah that's another that's another good uh

02:11:46.460 good one yeah so like i guess you're trying to say that we're going to be atlantis so i guess

02:11:53.680 atlantis it was plausible right anyway that's all i want to talk about that we're going to keep

02:12:00.500 going down this road over the next couple episodes but i just wanted to i really wanted to see like

02:12:05.260 how much information out there backs up atlantis because some people think it's just a metaphor

02:12:11.320 created by plato and no matter what happens no matter what you think of atlantis i just want

02:12:15.260 people to walk away from it knowing that it's not just this one guy it's not just this invented

02:12:20.880 you know made of thing to get a political idea across there's a lot more evidence backing this

02:12:27.520 up than people think anyway oh yeah yep anyway that was good that's a great episode i'll talk

02:12:32.320 to you later yeah good one see you man

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02:13:33.900 today. My pleasure and certainly my honor to be the first real woman on the show.

02:13:40.600 There's no pressure. I just want to let you know you have the entirety of the female race

02:13:46.040 on your back. Okay, no pressure, just breathe. And before we start, I found that that's one 1.00

02:13:53.060 One thing I found very interesting about your YouTube channel, especially, and your shorts

02:13:58.000 specifically, is that you deal in perennialist topics.

02:14:02.960 You deal with esoteric topics.

02:14:05.920 But what I found most interesting is that you would take these high-minded esoteric topics

02:14:10.740 and bring it down to the practical level for people.

02:14:13.340 So if people were to look at your YouTube shorts, you would give these little short

02:14:17.160 videos about messages to with advice to women advice to men advice to how to lead a good

02:14:23.400 traditionalist life does that sound like an accurate description yeah so the shorts were

02:14:28.940 just taken from clips of existing videos and it was just kind of an experiment we did because for

02:14:34.000 a while the youtube algorithm for shorts was not linked to the rest of your channel and it was just

02:14:38.620 interesting to see um what kind of viewership that got relative to the long form videos but we would

02:14:45.680 like to do more shorts and one thing that I like to do is I do of course like to just expound on

02:14:52.240 traditionalist philosophy and the concepts and principles on a pure level but I also really

02:14:58.400 like to be able to bring it down into something practical and usable for the average person

02:15:04.020 because high-minded ideals are great but there's always the questions like well what good is this

02:15:09.260 for me. And so I'd like to try to, if I'm going to discuss some kind of modern phenomenon or

02:15:17.060 cultural thing or whatever, I'd like to be able to apply traditional ideas to it and be like,

02:15:23.220 all right, here's the situation in the modern world. What would tradition say about this? Is

02:15:27.360 there a way that you can bring tradition into your life despite the fact that we live in the Kali Yuga? 0.96

02:15:32.600 That's a great point. And that's what inspired me to really want to have this discussion because

02:15:37.240 Because on our show and in my own life and in our scene, what this thing we call the distant right, there's a lot of people who talk about tradition and who advocate for tradition.

02:15:47.660 Some people are on the Christian side, some on the pagan side.

02:15:51.060 But when it comes to tradition, Evola and the esotericists come up a lot.

02:15:56.980 And Evola specifically, at least my reading of him, he was always very hostile to people who talked like they were adhering to tradition, but were really just still engaging with the world through the modern lens.

02:16:10.120 And it was only him and a few others who really dared to go back to the roots of tradition and not engage with the world through a liberal sort of way.

02:16:19.440 And I guess that's why I wanted to bring you on, because we had also discussed revolt against the modern world on the show long, long time ago.

02:16:26.360 I'm not sure I gave it justice. Just like Rene Gwinnon, there's a way to read those books

02:16:32.720 without in kind of like a modernist way to think like, oh, they're just complaining about

02:16:37.420 materialism. But it's deeper than that. It's deeper than just, you know, things are too

02:16:42.160 materialist now. And I guess the point I was really trying to make was I think a lot of people

02:16:47.240 get Evola wrong or they think that he's just critiquing, you know, a modern phenomenon.

02:16:53.420 but his understanding of traditionalism is pretty alien to people. I don't think people

02:17:00.060 really engage with his idea of traditionalism. Would that be an accurate portrayal there?

02:17:06.500 Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of different right-wing milieus that have kind of latched

02:17:10.300 onto the ideas of tradition as a reference point. That's an overall good thing, of course,

02:17:16.120 don't get me wrong. But I think because of the increasing interest in these ideas,

02:17:19.780 there's often a sort of attempt to water down what traditionalist means and maybe replace it

02:17:24.420 with something that's less demanding or more accommodating of the modern world, or even just

02:17:28.320 outright misunderstanding. So when it comes to looking at tradition, it is kind of important

02:17:36.780 to consider both the metaphysical and esoteric aspects of it, as well as its practical applications.

02:17:42.580 If you're only looking at its practical applications, you're going to miss a lot of

02:17:46.120 what Evel is trying to point to. You raised a good point there, and that was going to be my

02:17:50.540 first question. In a lot of ways, the more I look back in time, the more I look at these older texts

02:17:57.160 and these ancient civilizations, the histories themselves are more woven in with mythology and

02:18:05.820 esotericism. I had this question, and maybe this is a good one to start with. Would an accurate

02:18:11.740 view of history require a view of esotericism? To look that far back into history, does it require

02:18:20.260 you to take esotericism seriously, and you can't just put it aside and look at the empirical

02:18:26.640 history itself? Well, it depends on what you're looking at history for. If you're just looking

02:18:32.620 to establish chronological facts, you don't necessarily need to get into esotericism stuff.

02:18:37.020 But if you want to understand and appreciate Evola, Gwinnon, any of the other traditionalist thinkers who do have a very heavy metaphysical basis to their approach, then it's like it's really foundational to just fully being able to appreciate and understand that.

02:18:52.380 So go ahead.

02:18:54.300 I'll tell you, don't ask you, is there, based on your time in the scene, because you've been making content for quite some time now, on that topic, are there any top things that you think people get wrong on that front? Like, do they get wrong about the idea of esotericism or when they talk about tradition? Or Evola, is there misconceptions that people generally have?

02:19:15.700 yeah so tradition comes from the latin word tradere which means to transmit so this can

02:19:24.680 get used in a lot of different ways uh some of which are quite profane and banal like you know

02:19:29.680 this lowercase t traditionalism that really just focuses on historical customs and ancestry it's

02:19:35.420 like oh well we have to live the way our ancestors did and dress the way our ancestors dressed and

02:19:40.120 believe what they believed and and that's um there's not anything wrong with that but this

02:19:44.880 isn't really what Evola means when he's talking about tradition. So you also have other uses where

02:19:51.080 the type of tradition, for example, the Kabbalah, which literally means transmission as an esoteric

02:19:57.500 and metaphysical teaching that then corresponds to some particular tradition. So in the case of

02:20:02.640 the Kabbalah, it's the transmission of the Jewish esoteric tradition. And this is more the type of

02:20:07.440 tradition that Evola is dealing with, this esoteric metaphysical teaching that's being

02:20:12.500 transmitted through this sort of initiatic line. And there's two aspects of traditionalism

02:20:18.840 to consider in this respect. So one is associated with the sort of like metaphysics and morphology

02:20:24.660 of civilizations, and then the other is it's more esoteric interpretation. And so when it comes to

02:20:31.000 this historical plane, you know, that is like the things on the timeline of this physical earth,

02:20:37.400 Evola says that tradition is traced back to what he calls imminent transcendence.

02:20:42.720 And this is the idea that there's some supernatural force, you know, from above, some heavenly

02:20:48.180 divine force that's at work in this or that historical period or cycle.

02:20:52.960 And then these periods tend to be characterized by an axis that's composed of these spiritual

02:20:59.080 and super individual values.

02:21:01.440 And this axis becomes the organizational reference point to the overall formation of all the different types of human activity within a given civilization.

02:21:12.180 So what he's saying is that there's a force, a supernatural force that is being transmitted in these cases.

02:21:19.100 This is the transmission, something eternal that is weaving its way through.

02:21:23.780 And that's outside of any of these historical contingencies, you know, on the linear timeline.

02:21:29.540 It's outside of that.

02:21:30.800 It's eternal. And this force is tradition, this eternal, unchanging metaphysical expression

02:21:39.380 that sometimes filters into our world in this more or less accurate way. So then to go back

02:21:46.040 to imminent transcendence, this force is traditionally embodied by the sovereign,

02:21:51.460 by the sacred king, the Chakravartan. And this gives him a spiritual authority that is the

02:21:56.960 foundation of his earthly power. He's the pontifex, he's the bridge between heaven and earth. I have

02:22:03.000 a whole episode in the Revolt Against the Modern World series of actually multiple episodes that

02:22:07.660 deal with this subject. So this king would be the embodiment of this axis point. He's the vessel for

02:22:13.900 it. And this is passed down through blood or initiatic chains or whatever in order to preserve

02:22:19.260 it because once it's lost, you don't really ever get it back except through like some miracle of

02:22:24.220 the cosmos. So that's how we understand tradition just on the historical plane within the framework

02:22:29.080 of Evola. And then for the esoteric plane, Evola steers us more towards this doctrinal level

02:22:35.000 and this sort of hidden and transcendent unity within various religions and traditions. Frithjof

02:22:40.740 Schuon, another traditionalist, even has a book called, I think, The Transcendent Unity of

02:22:45.540 Religions. And so in Revolt Against the Modern World, in the foreword, when he's talking about

02:22:52.040 how he's going to approach his exposition of the world of tradition, he says he relies on the

02:22:57.620 traditional method, which means that he's looking for a correspondence in symbols, forms, myths,

02:23:04.240 dogmas, practices, etc., beyond their particular expression in a given tradition. It's not about

02:23:10.620 what it means for this particular culture, but what is the unity of the meaning behind all of

02:23:15.620 these different similar stories and symbols, for example. Like, you know, what does the myth of the

02:23:21.020 sun god mean in one culture versus another and so on? And is there a unity behind all the cultural

02:23:26.980 and historic components that have then been grafted on to these historical expressions of

02:23:31.080 tradition? So yeah, a certain esotericism is definitely required to fully understand and

02:23:38.120 appreciate the world of tradition and Evola. But there's a kind of a caveat because he does also

02:23:43.780 say that this isn't just some sort of empirical comparative study of religions. He says you can

02:23:49.180 only undertake this sort of examination of traditional material if you have a spiritual

02:23:54.840 intuition which is not just some kind of like hunch or instinct it's more akin to like noose

02:24:01.840 divine like the divine intelligence and then the capacity of the mind to just immediately be able

02:24:06.720 to apprehend knowledge to just know it in your soul that it's true because this symbol for example

02:24:11.860 is representative of something dharmic and your soul is aligned with dharma and so it just it

02:24:18.520 resonates is true. I don't know how else to explain it really. But no, no, that's a good

02:24:22.800 point. And I wanted to say, one thing I've noticed as I've been reading throughout history is the

02:24:28.360 way you described it sounds very reasonable. Arguably, you know, he'd probably hate me

02:24:33.460 saying this, but scientific in the sense that he's taking a wide scope in treating the data

02:24:39.520 seriously. However, my reading of history, I've detected historians have a hostility towards this

02:24:46.820 thinking, this esotericism, taking the symbols seriously and finding patterns. Do you think

02:24:54.780 there is still a hostility towards this thinking? Yes. You have people like Jordan Peterson,

02:25:02.800 for example, who talks a lot about this stuff, but he even has maybe an unconscious hostility

02:25:08.120 towards this because they're always coming at it from a very modern framework. You're not going to

02:25:13.700 find this rare spiritual intuition among like, you know, dilettantes who are just kind of

02:25:20.820 flirting with the idea of traditionalism as an intellectual novelty, something that their brain

02:25:25.240 just likes to chew on and for curiosity's sake. And they're not like these Jungian Jordan Peterson

02:25:31.360 types who like to play with myths and symbols as if they were toys, but never get into the real

02:25:36.720 meat of it. And spiritual intuition kind of prevents one from running away with their

02:25:42.040 imagination too. You know, that's very easy to do if you're dealing with myths and symbols.

02:25:46.480 And then some people who, you know, maybe are lacking in discernment, you'll find this a lot

02:25:50.920 with, for example, some of the Atlantis crowd, they kind of just start imagining, they're seeing

02:25:55.220 these symbolic elements everywhere, even where they can't truly be said to be traditional. Like

02:25:59.980 for example, in the context of primitive cultures who may have some similarities in their outward

02:26:05.720 symbols and forms, but the core of it, the metaphysical meaning behind it is often very

02:26:11.740 different and so you really have to be able to get deep into that root of it and figure out is this a

02:26:16.960 root that goes to heaven or a root that goes down into the abyss now that's a great point and this

02:26:21.280 reminds me of a video i saw of yours the name escapes me but it was a fairly recent one and

02:26:26.400 you were discussing and i might butcher it so if you know what i'm talking about try and jump in

02:26:30.640 because i think it's fascinating uh the idea that you know your soul is almost looking for patterns

02:26:36.000 And if you have a hunger for patterns, you'll find them and you almost will find this, you might call it like hyper real, but another word, like fake divinity, because you just crave to find divinity, but you haven't put the work in to actually struggle to find it.

02:26:52.680 Oh, yeah, I think that was, I think what you must be referring to is the one I did on the law of beings from.

02:27:00.880 Yes, yes, yes. And he was talking about how if there's any part of your soul that wishes this, you know, kind of transcendent experience that you're having, if you're wishing this to be true in some way or another, you know, you'll almost get the experience you're wishing for, but it's not necessarily true. You know, you have to.

02:27:19.520 and you mentioned drugs as well yeah like for example people feel like if they take acid or

02:27:25.320 ayahuasca or something they feel enlightened like they've been let in on the secrets of the universe

02:27:29.800 well maybe you have maybe the secrets that were revealed to you are just your own deepest inner

02:27:34.660 yearnings how how do you differentiate between those two and and these the people who are pursuing

02:27:41.180 spirituality solely on that pathway with no doctrinal foundation to support them end up

02:27:46.960 making this mistake quite frequently. And that's a great point. And just to draw a connection that 0.82

02:27:52.480 he might not want me to draw, but I think it's relevant, is you see something even in Christianity

02:27:57.720 and Catholicism with the concept of the Antichrist. You know, here is a negation, a dark figure who's

02:28:04.400 here as a corrupting force, but offers you everything you're looking for. It fulfills your

02:28:09.620 deepest desires. And that can create the false sense of, it's fulfilling your wishes. And use

02:28:16.200 that word wish. And that's why I like coming back to it almost like a genie, but you haven't put

02:28:21.280 the work in. It's almost too easy, you know? Yeah, definitely. And I mean, I used to have

02:28:29.100 a friend whose motto was sloth wins. And this is stuck in my head for years because it's so true, 1.00

02:28:36.440 right? Especially in the modern world, sloth wins. Why would you put in more effort when you think

02:28:42.200 that you can get what you want with less effort. I mean, isn't dropping some acid more fun than

02:28:49.480 sitting in meditation for hours on end? I think most people would agree that it is, but it's not

02:28:56.400 necessarily the pathway to true enlightenment. It's just, in some ways, it's almost a sort of

02:29:02.780 spiritual hedonism. And that's not to say that you couldn't get any benefit out of using that

02:29:07.720 as a tool. I'm not like trying to knock people who do that or anything or say that all their

02:29:11.640 experiences are invalid because I don't know. I don't have any framework for knowing the

02:29:16.520 contents of somebody's mind and soul. I barely know my own, right? But it's a warning that he's

02:29:23.180 giving, right? That this is part of the reason with initiation where you had to have a mind that

02:29:32.680 was free of attachments before you could pursue initiation because you need to be operating in

02:29:38.800 the world in a non-attached way otherwise you end up being sucked back in by the illusion of this

02:29:44.500 world through your cravings right you'll always see what you crave so you need to kind of purge

02:29:50.900 that within yourself before you're ready to be able to assess what is or is not true on a supernatural

02:29:56.600 level yeah and that leads into one thing that i really have the top of my list to talk about

02:30:02.160 because i think i'd heard you uh mention this when you were speaking with academic agents

02:30:06.720 who also hosts, he has a series of videos called Evola Day.

02:30:10.620 So if anyone wants to check that out, they can as well

02:30:12.800 on Academic Agents channel, you were on there.

02:30:15.840 But you were talking about the importance of self-initiation.

02:30:20.500 And I heard that, I thought that was such an interesting idea.

02:30:23.620 I was wondering if you could maybe delve a bit into self-initiation,

02:30:28.760 I guess in the path of true enlightenment,

02:30:32.220 just for people who don't know what that might entail.

02:30:35.220 Yeah. Okay. So Evola's premise is kind of that self-initiation is really the only path in the modern world because all existing traditions are corrupted, you know.

02:30:47.560 So it's an important concept in the context of this Kali Yuga, when we have these initiatic

02:30:56.580 chains that have been broken or corrupted, because it used to be that if you went through

02:31:00.760 an initiation, if done correctly, it would produce an ontological change in your nature

02:31:06.080 due to having established a contact within yourself with the divine.

02:31:10.560 So you have achieved a high level of self-mastery and self-transformation, but this can only

02:31:17.200 come from within. So external rituals and ceremonies are kind of the representative

02:31:22.320 of the inner transformation that has to take place, but they don't produce that transformation

02:31:26.680 in and of themselves. And so that's what a lot of modern, you know, spiritual initiations have

02:31:34.260 become. It's just sort of empty shell. And it's, you know, you go through the process,

02:31:39.380 but and you're promised the fruits, but you don't get them because something's broken in that chain.

02:31:47.200 And so Evel is saying, you know, self initiation is, you know, a possible alternative. But I wouldn't say that it's crucial for the individual to pursue this. In fact, I would probably say that the vast majority of people should not.

02:32:04.560 And that's because initiation of any kind always assumed certain prerequisites and chief among them is the total mastery of the mind, the ability to sit in still and peaceful meditation, essentially to have total control over the urges and desires of your body to direct your mind with laser focus to where you want it to go and nowhere else.

02:32:27.980 um like if you just sit and i've i've had people do this exercise on streams before like if you

02:32:34.880 just like kind of just sit and close your eyes and try to just focus on your breath just the

02:32:39.460 sensation of the air movie in and out of your nostrils across your upper lip and you try to

02:32:43.740 focus on that you'll get maybe about two to three breaths tops before some other thought is running

02:32:49.220 through your mind and like to imagine like how out of control of your own mind you have to be

02:32:56.120 that you cannot even get it to focus on something for a couple of seconds. It should be so easy in

02:33:03.740 principle, right? Why do we have trouble with this? So you have to instead first, before you

02:33:10.620 can even think about self-initiation, focus on getting yourself to have that total mastery of

02:33:16.900 mind and body. Your first step should be getting yourself to like a Vipassana retreat or something

02:33:21.940 where you can learn how to do that kind of meditation, for example. And anyone who's not

02:33:27.500 really willing to put in the prerequisite work to do that would not be considered a suitable

02:33:33.860 candidate for initiation. And then self-initiation, any attempts at that would, you know, at worst,

02:33:39.680 go disastrously wrong, or at best, just be ineffective, and you've wasted your time,

02:33:44.640 essentially. And a lot of this went without saying, even in my familiarity with like Orthodox 0.89

02:33:50.800 Christianity, it used to be much more difficult to be a Christian, and these rituals were more

02:33:58.780 strictly adhered to, especially in Catholicism. But now you look around, and really, even within

02:34:04.260 the Catholic Church, it seems to be, you know, the rituals are soulless, and they're very laissez-faire

02:34:11.020 about, you know, adhering to the rituals themselves, much less any sort of behavior.

02:34:16.860 And I think when I read Revolt Against the Modern World, I think I paired it with Oswald Spengler's Decline of the West. And there's actually a lot of commonalities between the book, I wasn't suspecting.

02:34:30.960 So when I say that, because there's one concept that I think was Evola or could have been Spengler, I always get them mixed up, but it was the concept of, I guess, spiritual inversion. And it was this idea that as we progress through time, concepts and initiations and rituals don't become destroyed.

02:34:50.240 they become inverted, meaning they're still technically there, but they almost serve the

02:34:55.660 exact negative purpose. They serve to destroy. One example from the realm of politics would be

02:35:02.880 in America, there's the concept of freedom. And traditionally, the concept of freedom was much

02:35:09.840 more different than our concept of freedom. Now, we still use the word freedom. We still look at

02:35:15.260 the constitution and it's still the same sort of words it's just being interpreted 180 degrees

02:35:20.700 differently so now whereas freedom might have been freedom to action now freedom almost exclusively

02:35:26.760 means freedom to articulate debauchery and self-destruction and that only occurred through

02:35:34.060 sort of an inversion of the spirit um and and i think an interesting thing you were kind of

02:35:41.280 getting out there was i think that version of the spirit can be happen very easily without

02:35:45.540 that sort of proper initiation they're still doing the rituals and you don't even know

02:35:49.960 that they're used for corrupting purposes now right yeah well i mean a big part of it is just

02:35:55.700 the fact that it's completely soulless um so for example like one example that i think is probably

02:36:03.440 accessible to most people at least listeners of your show and mine um if you consider like

02:36:10.100 Plato, for example, and what Plato was articulating in the Republic as like the ideal and just

02:36:15.700 society.

02:36:16.940 Well, one thing that people criticize Plato for is saying that, oh, he's basically a communist.

02:36:23.920 What he's advocating for is communism.

02:36:26.280 And then you look at modern day communism and you think, well, that's pretty horrible.

02:36:31.320 Was Plato a bad guy?

02:36:33.520 No, the difference is that Plato's was rooted in tradition.

02:36:36.960 It was rooted in the divine. And he's expressing, you know, he's not necessarily saying that this is what society should be. He's just this is kind of a thought experiment, really. And so if you but if you take those ideas, and you divorce them from their metaphysical foundation, then you get communism, because now it's only attached to the material world.

02:37:00.660 and anything that you take and separate from its divine principles and attach it solely to the

02:37:05.660 material is going to undergo a process of degradation and and its value changes significantly

02:37:13.660 you know and this is true of like for example all sacred sciences um things like astrology for

02:37:20.400 example that were once you know okay you're looking at the heavens and you're tracking the

02:37:24.200 movements of the planets but it's pinned to a metaphysical and spiritual framework that's meant

02:37:29.600 to help you on your transcendent quest now we just have astronomy and they're just like hmm

02:37:34.640 how much diversity can we put on the moon like why though what why are you why are we doing this

02:37:43.000 what value does it have to us as people oh well you know material and technological progress it's

02:37:48.480 always progress right and um that's just not the goal of traditional ideas you mentioned something

02:37:57.480 that you mentioned astronomy and it just piked my interest. What's your opinion on modern

02:38:03.200 astrology? Because to a lot of people, the uninitiated, they would look at astrology as

02:38:10.220 approaching something esoteric, sort of a pop esotericism. And I was wondering,

02:38:14.700 what's your opinion on astrology? Do you like it? Do you hate it? Or was it good before and now

02:38:19.300 it's corrupted and inverted? What's your feeling there? Well, I don't know if you know this,

02:38:24.520 but I'm actually a professional astrologer. I did not. Okay. You know what? We're leaving that

02:38:32.380 in. I just showed my ass, but it's worth it. Okay. So it's okay. It's not a, it's not like 0.99

02:38:38.180 something I like heavily publicize or anything, but, um, it's funny that you ask. No, but okay.

02:38:44.280 So as, uh, even though you're, you, you have your bias, your expertise from the inside, what,

02:38:49.980 can you tell us about astrology? Because as just a guy that's never been on my radar and that always

02:38:56.340 seemed like, oh, that's a girl. Girls watch Friends. That's their thing. But you're a very

02:39:01.360 serious person. You're a very knowledgeable person. And I'm willing to admit that I'm wrong.

02:39:05.080 So do you think there's a lot of bad astrology out there, for example?

02:39:09.260 Oh, for sure. So if you take like astrology as a pure sacred science and what it was originally

02:39:14.460 intended to be, you get two pathways of breakdown for this. One is astronomy, which is purely

02:39:20.420 material. And this is the sort of like, kind of the inversion, the form of studying the stars is

02:39:27.920 still there, but the meaning behind it is gone. On the flip side, you get people who want to use

02:39:35.120 it for spiritual purposes, but have no doctrinal basis for doing so. And then you get like new

02:39:40.020 agey types of modern astrology, which I think is what everybody hates when they hate on

02:39:45.420 astrology, because that's largely what people know through newspaper horoscopes or just

02:39:50.960 like, you know, the TV psychics that you would call the 900 number four or whatever.

02:39:56.260 And, you know, it's easy to look at those people and be like, well, clearly they're

02:40:01.220 frauds, they're cons, like, especially when a lot of them are claiming to be psychic and

02:40:06.160 to use that in their astrology, which is not part of astrology at all.

02:40:09.420 there's this it's not a psychic thing anyone can learn how to do this it's just it's a method

02:40:14.060 that's all it is it's a it's a method and there are delineation techniques that can help you

02:40:20.080 to understand your transcendent quest and and put you in touch with the gods for example so

02:40:25.440 my my view of astrology is obviously very favorable but i will say that i only started

02:40:31.540 um studying it and practicing it very seriously because of my interest in evola and other topics

02:40:38.660 like that because all of these esoteric works are very replete with astrological symbolism and i was

02:40:44.520 kind of getting to the point where i was like i really need to know more about this subject if

02:40:47.940 i'm going to go deeper with any of this and so you know i took my courses on my on like my fifth

02:40:54.080 year of courses now so oh really well because again i know don't much about this and uh one

02:41:01.340 thing that as you're talking uh what i found so fascinating is that you seem to have a practical

02:41:06.180 experience with this stuff it's not just theoretical and i was wondering as along with

02:41:10.920 astrology but you had mentioned before you had other you'd spoken to people on your show and

02:41:14.920 did the meditation thing and saw the problems that occurred there i was wondering um in your

02:41:20.840 professional experience for other people who've tried to get into this stuff are there any common

02:41:26.380 roadblocks like for like the meditation thing you're talking about or or just where people

02:41:31.680 go wrong trying to wrap their minds around this stuff um what what do you mean in terms of the

02:41:39.540 meditation thing oh that's well i just you seemed like with astrology you kind of you you coach

02:41:45.260 people you talk to people about this stuff and for someone like me like for example who wants to

02:41:49.620 let's say i wanted to embrace a traditionalist outlook because to me to truly embrace like a

02:41:56.700 style tradition you almost have to rework your mind on a molecular level um so for people and

02:42:03.260 we probably wouldn't recommend most people would do that but for the people who do want to go down

02:42:07.760 this path i was wondering if you've seen any difficulties they have sort of trying to engage

02:42:12.780 with these ideas yeah the biggest difficulty is just that it's so foreign to the modern mindset

02:42:18.260 as you say like it it requires a total paradigm shift essentially and so um what people come up

02:42:26.040 against is, you know, first they try to engage with these ideas just empirically. And these

02:42:31.280 ideas are not always easily reduced to discursive thought. It does often come down to the spiritual

02:42:37.560 intuition that Evelyn talks about. The ability to just feel it in your soul is true and to know

02:42:43.800 you just like, it's an inner knowing. And this becomes an orienting, guiding principle for you

02:42:51.360 around which you can center the rest of your life. It becomes your own inner stable axis,

02:42:55.420 like the king is supposed to function as in the empire you develop that inside so in order to try

02:43:03.320 to start engaging with these ideas you have to put aside almost everything you believe is true

02:43:09.000 about the world and how it works everything in the Kali Yuga is everything you've been taught

02:43:14.500 is probably wrong or it's only true in the most profane sense for example and this is difficult

02:43:23.500 for a lot of people to do, especially with no guidance for it.

02:43:27.680 Yeah, but before we continue, I know some people, we discussed this on the show before

02:43:31.000 about the Kali Yuga, but for those who are confused by it, and maybe you could do a better

02:43:36.580 job of explaining what the Kali Yuga refers to.

02:43:41.080 Yeah, so this is actually a really important doctrinal concept within tradition, and it's

02:43:46.420 the cycle of time, cyclical time, the cycle of these four ages.

02:43:50.460 So the golden age, the silver age, the bronze age, the iron age, and I don't mean like the, like the historical bronze age or anything. It's just like consider it like the third age and the cycle. And so the idea is that time is not linear in the way that modern people think it is where there's a definite beginning and a definite end, the universe was created, and then the universe ends, and that's it.

02:44:14.040 So all of these eternal things, creation, for example, is not just one singular point. It is a singular point, yes, but it's also happening over and over again. The universe is continuously unfolding. Purusha continuously glances at prakriti and creation is expanded and contracted.

02:44:37.360 And these things exist eternally. How can we as human beings really conceptualize that with our limited minds in a modern paradigm? We can't really. Our brains aren't wired for that. And so that's where that internal knowing comes from, because it's not something you can just explain with words.

02:44:55.560 You almost have to just have like, for me, it kind of comes in like just a picture in my mind almost, but not even like a picture. Sometimes it's more of like, it could be a picture, but it's more of a feeling or a vibe of some kind. Like I can't even describe like what it looks like or feels like to me when I have those moments.

02:45:16.740 and so imagine for Evelyn trying to write a book on this stuff and explain it to people

02:45:21.380 this is why he's such a dense writer because he's trying to pin down these ideas in ways he's like

02:45:28.200 all right I'm just going to give you like a bazillion examples and hope that one of them

02:45:31.800 resonates with you almost yeah sorry go ahead no no I was just agreeing with you sorry continue

02:45:37.940 yeah so back to your question about like well what is the Kali Yuga well the Kali Yuga is

02:45:43.800 the last age. It's the iron age. It's the dark age, the age of the wolf. We are at the end of

02:45:50.220 a cycle in this age, but the Kaliuk is really just beginning because it's like hundreds of 0.87

02:45:56.220 thousands of years long, unfortunately. If you think it's bad now, we're going to get to a place

02:46:03.820 where people are raising babies for food, according to the Vedas. Okay. So if there are 0.78

02:46:09.480 any other examples from the vedas and for uh people who are curious we had covered some of

02:46:13.940 this stuff when we reviewed a book called arctos by jocelyn godwin uh this would have been months

02:46:20.580 and months ago but we we talk a bit about hyperborea we talk a bit about the cycles

02:46:25.460 but um i didn't never went deep into the indo-european source material i was wondering

02:46:31.460 you kind of talked about that eating your babies according to the that one source do you have any

02:46:35.640 other bad stuff to look forward to. Yeah, well, let me read you this section that Evola quotes

02:46:41.840 at the end of Revolt. He has the appendix on the Dark Age. It's just a couple of pages that he's

02:46:46.580 taking a quote from the Vishnu Purana that will describe some of the features of the Kali Yuga. 0.91

02:46:53.360 He says, outcasts and barbarians will be masters of the banks of the Indus, 0.66

02:46:58.620 Darvika and Chandrabhaga and Kashmir. These will all be contemporary rulers of this age 1.00

02:47:04.140 reigning over the earth rulers of violent temper they will seize upon the property of their

02:47:09.620 subjects they will be of limited power and will for the most part rapidly rise and fall

02:47:14.500 their lives will be short their desires insatiable and they will display but little piety

02:47:20.080 the people of various countries intermingling with them will follow their example the prevailing 1.00

02:47:25.660 caste will be the shudra the lowest caste the people who have no initiatic rights so essentially 1.00

02:47:31.240 the plebs. Vaishyas, this is the artisan class and the agricultural class, Vaishyas will abandon 1.00

02:47:38.320 agriculture and commerce and gain a livelihood by servitude or the exercise of mechanical arts,

02:47:44.320 which he refers to as proletarization and industrialization. The Kshatriyas, the warrior

02:47:49.840 caste, instead of protecting, will plunder their subjects and under the pretext of levying customs 1.00

02:47:55.340 will rob merchants of their property. And in brackets, Evela puts crisis of capitalism and 0.89

02:48:00.400 private property, socialization, nationalization, and communism. He goes on, inner wealth and piety,

02:48:07.460 such in this case following one's dharma, will decrease day by day until the whole world will

02:48:13.400 be wholly depraved. Then property alone will confer rank, and as in, you know, the quantity

02:48:18.980 of dollars, your economic class. Material wealth will be the only source of devotion. Passion will

02:48:24.820 be the sole bond of union between the sexes. Falsehood will be the only means of success

02:48:29.860 in litigation. Earth will be venerated, but for its mineral treasures, and he puts in brackets

02:48:35.860 unscrupulous exploitation of the soil, demise of the cult of the earth. Brahminical clothes will 0.87

02:48:41.780 constitute a Brahmin, so a priest is only a priest because he's dressed like one. Weakness will be 1.00

02:48:47.260 the cause of dependence, and he puts cowardice, death of fides, and honor in the modern political

02:48:52.300 forms. Simple ablution, devoid of the power of the true right, will be purification. And he says,

02:48:59.740 can there really be anything more in the alleged salvation procured by the Christian sacraments?

02:49:05.620 He says, in the Kali Yuga, men are corrupted by unbelievers. They will say, of what authority are

02:49:11.460 the Vedas? What are gods or Brahmins? Observance of caste, order, and institutes will not prevail

02:49:17.560 in the Kali age. Marriages in this age will not be conformable to ritual, nor will the rules that 0.99

02:49:24.200 connect the spiritual preceptor and his disciple be in force. A regenerated man will be initiated

02:49:29.560 in any way whatever, so democracy applied to the spiritual plane, and such acts of penance may be

02:49:35.380 performed will be unattended by any results, so a humanistic and conformist religion is what he's

02:49:40.760 referring to. All orders of life will be common alike to all persons. He who gives away much money

02:49:47.120 will be the master of men and family descent will no longer be a title of supremacy so we see the

02:49:52.880 end of traditional nobility the advent of the bourgeoisie plutocracy etc men will fix their

02:49:59.120 desires upon riches even though dishonestly acquired men of all degrees will conceit

02:50:04.780 themselves to be equal with the brahmins which is actually really funny because if you've ever seen 0.92

02:50:10.120 like people on twitter or telegram where they post these polls like what caste do you think you are 0.82

02:50:16.120 And like the vast majority of people imagine themselves to be of the priest or warrior

02:50:20.340 caste.

02:50:20.920 And of course, in this age, we are all shudras.

02:50:24.120 I hate to disappoint you.

02:50:26.500 But the people will almost always be in dread of dearth and apprehensive of scarcity and

02:50:31.580 will hence ever be watching the appearances of the sky.

02:50:34.600 So he's talking not about astrology in the way that I use it, but the superstitious beliefs,

02:50:41.700 for example, any kind of religious superstition. 0.86

02:50:44.120 um the women will pay no attention to the commands of their husbands or parents 0.99

02:50:49.040 they will be selfish abject and slatternly they will be scolds and liars they will be indecent 0.98

02:50:55.440 and immoral in their conduct and will ever attach themselves to dissolute men men having deviated 0.97

02:51:01.600 into heresy iniquity will flourish and the duration of life will therefore decrease

02:51:06.600 so it's not sounding real pleasant is it well it sounds very familiar to a lot of people i'm sure

02:51:13.040 and isn't it a little bit concerning that we're only this early in the Kali Yuga and we're already

02:51:18.680 seeing these things uh in full force yeah I never heard described that because I understood the

02:51:25.500 Kali Yuga like it's it's bad things but I never heard it laid out like that but you actually

02:51:29.940 touched on a lot of very interesting ideas there um specifically uh the one that jumps out at me

02:51:35.580 was the people in our political milieu of voting themselves as everyone's a priest warrior class

02:51:41.980 yeah like i haven't seen that poll but knowing the types of guys that i've talked to everyone

02:51:47.380 sees themselves as a warrior priest right but um i maybe consider that um i want to unpack that for

02:51:56.560 a second because i get the sense from reading these sort of perennialist ideas um and for the

02:52:02.160 people who don't know by perennialist we tend to mean things that are are true they're not just of

02:52:08.280 their time. They're true across time, you know, like a perennial plant, you know, it keeps coming

02:52:13.000 back. But when I look at the traditional way of life, I see a more interesting balancing

02:52:21.300 of individuality with hierarchy. And when I see people who are constantly voting themselves,

02:52:28.800 for example, like we just talked about, into a hypothetical higher caste, that's mainly a

02:52:34.300 reaction that's because they see themselves socially as above everyone else but that's

02:52:39.960 almost like a an inverted conceptualization of how a hierarchy or a caste actually works

02:52:46.680 so anyway i'm kind of rambling here but i wanted to know like in your opinion

02:52:50.440 in this traditionalist worldview for example like when people in our political scene they tend to

02:52:57.000 think in terms of individualism versus collectivism it's only those two a lot of the people in our

02:53:02.260 would say collectivism is superior and individualism rots the mind however with

02:53:07.820 traditionalism i see more of an affirmation of individualism in a different sort of way

02:53:13.240 while also balancing the need of the hierarchy and i'm wondering does that seem accurate is that

02:53:20.200 a fair thing to say that it's a balancing of individual with a really codified hierarchy

02:53:26.240 and not any sort of like collectivist ideas really yeah so within like for example within a cast

02:53:34.300 system you kind of have you're almost selecting for uh specific traits within a cast and those

02:53:40.640 traits then tend to predominate but of course you always have somebody who is you know a bit

02:53:44.740 unique or individual or something and it's not that you're you need to squash that within you

02:53:50.640 that is unique and individual so much as that it needs to still fit into your role in society,

02:53:58.600 your dharma. And so the kind of individuation that we're talking about, traditionally speaking,

02:54:05.800 is not the individuation of modern man, where it's just all about like, you know,

02:54:11.540 I don't know, going traveling to find yourself or whatever that means and developing like this,

02:54:16.360 you know quote-unquote personality um there is something this individuation that evola is aiming

02:54:23.300 for is an individuation that is a beyond the individual it's a supra individual state um

02:54:32.520 and this is not the same thing as you know the the person traveling around trying to find

02:54:39.720 themselves this is somebody who's achieved like an olympian leap and really realized their highest

02:54:45.180 divine potential that is not what you're looking for when you're going around trying to figure out

02:54:51.180 your personality and then whatever mask you wear in society now i'm wondering would you know this

02:54:58.540 i'm pulling examples out here but when we look at you know monks when we look at people who commit

02:55:04.940 themselves to meditation perhaps in buddhism uh would that be an example of people who are trying

02:55:11.240 to achieve that super individuality or is that just something entirely and that's just like a

02:55:17.080 monk class thing it depends on what they're doing there's a lot of different types of meditation

02:55:22.460 and not all of them are intended to lead towards like that full realization of the higher self

02:55:28.000 okay um but a lot of them are if you're if you're seeing like monks in a temple then most likely

02:55:32.280 they're you know at least attempting to attain that higher realization but some of like this

02:55:37.620 modern Western mindfulness meditation is not that. And it's not that that kind of meditation

02:55:43.920 is wrong or unhelpful or anything. You can still do it and get benefits from it. It's just not

02:55:47.720 going to, it's just not going to liberate the higher self. Well, that's a great example of

02:55:53.060 sort of a bad way of doing it. And it makes me wonder, we were just talking about castes. And

02:55:58.320 when people hear a caste system, what they're probably thinking of is India. And they would 0.82

02:56:03.300 hear that, oh, India has a caste system, and they'll hear that in a geopolitical sense, that

02:56:07.760 caste system equals slavery equals bad. And I was wondering, from your perspective, and this might

02:56:12.960 be a big question, so you can tell me to go fuck myself, but would India's caste system, in your 0.99

02:56:19.180 opinion, be a good example of what we're talking about, or has that become sort of corrupted with 0.99

02:56:25.080 time, do you think? Obviously, it's corrupted and degraded in the modern world because these

02:56:31.420 castes do not all still retain their inner spiritual quality like as evola says you know 1.00

02:56:38.940 we're in this age we're all shudras so but from a from a theoretical standpoint you know

02:56:46.300 the caste system is very traditionalist and the reason for this is that um so tradition

02:56:53.680 essentially you know it finds its concrete expression in symbols sacraments rituals

02:56:58.620 and its aim is to develop in man that faculty or vocation which puts him in contact with the

02:57:07.560 transcendent in the highest degree possible relative to his character and caste. So caste

02:57:14.560 systems sort of reflect a hierarchy between these various categories of people based not on like

02:57:20.580 physical characteristics which a lot of modern people are like oh the caste system is so racist

02:57:25.280 because it puts the darker skinned people at the bottom and the lighter skinned people at the top

02:57:29.040 and so on. It's like, it's not about the race of the body. It's about their relative degree of

02:57:33.560 distance from pure being or pure spirit. And people are not equal in their spiritual potential 0.89

02:57:39.100 or in their social capacity. So different people have different talents and responsibilities.

02:57:45.020 And a caste system ensures that each individual is able to fulfill their dharma, to sort of fully,

02:57:50.220 like fully blossom into their full potential as a human being and to be able to fulfill their

02:57:55.420 spiritual destiny and contribute, I guess, to the greater good in a way that's meaningful

02:58:00.980 and appropriate. But, you know, the modern objection is like, well, I wouldn't want to

02:58:06.260 have to be in that cast. I don't want to have to be the bricklayer. It's like, well, it's not about

02:58:10.520 what you want. It's about fulfilling your Dharma. And if that doing that was easy, there's no heroic

02:58:17.660 overcoming contained within that? If you're just, if following God's will also means following

02:58:23.960 yours, how, how difficult is that? How have you, how have you done anything to overcome your base

02:58:29.720 nature? You haven't, you've done nothing. You're just indulging in it. So, you know, sometimes

02:58:34.520 in order to fulfill our Dharma, we're called to do things that are not necessarily the things

02:58:38.660 that are like the most fun or the most pleasant, but if we approach it with the right attitude,

02:58:42.800 then it can become a liberating force and so i mean you know and what people want to do is just

02:58:48.620 so often at odds with spiritual growth it's it's more aligned with pursuing material delights and

02:58:54.160 modern people hate this idea that oh you know you need to subsume your will into god's will

02:59:00.500 and put god's will first and simply be a tool through which god carries out his will

02:59:06.140 your will doesn't matter modern people do not like to hear this this really upsets them

02:59:11.700 Um, but that's essentially what the caste system is designed to protect. It's not, uh, it's not a

02:59:19.160 chain. It's a support. It's something to help you grow on your transcendent quest. Now it may

02:59:26.640 contain some constraints in terms of your, you know, your quote unquote freedom, which as you

02:59:32.720 mentioned, it no longer has the same meaning because nowadays freedom just means licentiousness.

02:59:37.420 A caste system was designed to give you true freedom to help you be free of the bonds of materiality.

02:59:45.360 So and this hierarchy isn't some invention of humans.

02:59:48.780 It's it's a natural part of the cosmos, much in the way that, you know, did you ever do like that science experiment in elementary school where you mix like oil and water and then they separate and one floats on top of the other?

03:00:01.280 Yes, we did. Yeah.

03:00:02.160 It's kind of like that, you know, the lighter fluid floats on top of the denser ones.

03:00:05.640 And so it's just this, the hierarchy is just a sort of impersonal cosmic law.

03:00:10.540 It's not suggesting that one type is better than any other because all of them are necessary. 0.98

03:00:16.000 And a person of a lower caste who fulfills their role perfectly is always superior to 0.99

03:00:22.960 anyone of an upper caste who is failing to fulfill theirs. 0.97

03:00:26.820 So one is then born into a specific caste simply because one possesses like a transcendental

03:00:35.640 a transcendentally different spirit than somebody of another caste. So birth doesn't determine

03:00:41.680 your nature, your nature, the nature of your soul determines your birth. In a sense,

03:00:46.800 this is the life that you got, the body that you got, the family that you got, the caste that you

03:00:52.620 got, because there is something about your soul that is appropriate to this situation. Now, of

03:00:58.960 course, in the Kali Yuga, all of this is broken down and everybody's, you know, people are being 0.86

03:01:03.900 born into the wrong caste. Some people claim they're born into the wrong gender. I don't know,

03:01:07.840 maybe they are. But in any case, there's a there's a disharmony, we're living in disharmony.

03:01:14.840 And so we get, you know, mental and physical and spiritual illnesses that can result from living

03:01:20.180 like that, because we're not aligned with Dharma. And we're not our society is giving us this

03:01:26.400 freedom to pursue our material desires. But it's really limiting us in our ability to reach our

03:01:32.200 full spiritual potential. I know this will sound like a very basic bitch question, but I'm not 0.94

03:01:39.160 terribly familiar with the concept of dharma. Would there be a way to summarize that for people who

03:01:44.200 might have that confused with karma or anything, any kind of vagueness like that? Yeah, so karma

03:01:52.400 and dharma are two different words. Dharma is essentially like just the underlying principle

03:01:57.980 law that orders the universe, or the essential function or nature of a being. And sometimes

03:02:04.960 you'll hear it used in, in terms of like, how an individual might conduct themselves in conformity,

03:02:12.380 you know, with Dharmic principles. So it's a Sanskrit word that really does not have

03:02:17.180 a direct translation into English. But you know, it's related to I don't know if you're familiar

03:02:24.720 with any Sanskrit, but ritta, this very old Sanskrit word, which kind of refers to essentially

03:02:30.460 like the law from above. Dharma is very closely related to that. Karma, on the other hand,

03:02:36.220 is a different concept entirely. And karma does play a role in, for example, caste.

03:02:43.920 Karma is essentially this cause and effect principle. It's a cosmic law. It's not a

03:02:50.800 punishment or anything like that. It's just simply, if this action is taken, this karma is

03:02:56.880 accrued, here's the consequence, it could be a positive or negative consequence. So, for example,

03:03:02.800 if I'm, you know, being lazy, and I decide not to go do my grocery shopping, well,

03:03:10.420 my karma is that I don't get dinner that night, you know, because so it's, it's.

03:03:15.940 and so our souls are you know the product of karma um the totality of actions and conduct that

03:03:25.420 may have been ours or may have been the result of something that somebody else did you know it's not

03:03:30.680 uh it's not like this closed thing where it's only your actions that affect your soul but other

03:03:36.840 people can do stuff to you too like if i loan my friend money and he doesn't pay me back well i'm

03:03:43.660 a hundred bucks. And that's not necessarily because of anything I did wrong, but because

03:03:49.040 my friend chose to be dishonest, right? Now you can say, well, you shouldn't have loaned in the

03:03:54.000 money. It's like, well, there's karma again, right? So it does take its way back. But

03:03:59.320 ultimately, the karma that you have is going to somewhat determine your birth. And this is one

03:04:09.840 thing that people ask me a lot about when they come for astrological readings, because your

03:04:14.540 natal chart is essentially a picture of your karma. Here's your natal karma. This is what you

03:04:20.000 were born with. And this is, these are the themes you're going to live with for your life that are

03:04:24.740 going to come up for you again and again. And how do you make your peace with that? And that's what

03:04:29.700 we're called to do. We're called to kind of make our peace with our karma, really. Well, that's

03:04:33.620 interesting. And that's something that, like we had mentioned, we don't see a lot of people in

03:04:36.860 the modern world engage with. And I see echoes of this even in the political spheres that I would

03:04:43.460 travel in. And as you're describing the function of a cast, I'm reminded of some people that I

03:04:49.240 talked to recently who are like a good example would be there's like blue collar workers and

03:04:57.200 they're usually born into that. And it's very difficult for a blue collar worker to become

03:05:03.860 an elite. And on the other hand, the elites, the aristocrats in society, they tend to come from a

03:05:10.260 certain pedigree. It's very frequent that you will see sort of the elites. They come from elite

03:05:15.540 families. They are trained from birth to go to the right private schools and the right schools.

03:05:19.680 It's not just the schools you get into. It's how you're raised. It's the entire environment

03:05:24.060 and the family connections. And usually, even occasionally when you do see someone

03:05:29.860 ascend from a lower let's just call it what it is a cast into a different one it doesn't fit it

03:05:35.420 doesn't gel they're just a disruptive force but they don't fit in similarly it's very difficult

03:05:40.740 for the elites to go down into a working man's class and i find what's interesting the reason 0.90

03:05:45.840 i bring this up is that not only does that incongruity exist but a lot of the working

03:05:51.520 class blue collar people they got no interest in what's going on with the elites they think it's 0.95

03:05:56.300 stupid and useless and that that to me is not a bad thing necessarily and i know a lot of people 0.97

03:06:02.540 who um are kind of in like the middle class who aspire to be in the aristocrat class and they're 1.00

03:06:09.880 not there and they'll probably never get there because they weren't raised in it they're not

03:06:13.980 of that class and even if they found their way into that those back rooms they would get sniffed

03:06:20.060 out right away and just like megan markle yeah and this is just an example to see that despite

03:06:26.360 we're talking we're not talking about just crazy kooky esoteric stuff this is evident in the real

03:06:31.220 world right now right yeah yeah so um like if you look at uh the the damage and havoc that megan

03:06:40.360 markle wreaked on the royal family for example she's not of that class not only was she not born

03:06:46.260 in that class she's not even from that country and she had no clue about the kind of aristocratic

03:06:51.380 culture that she was marrying into you know she thought she wanted to be a princess I guess but

03:06:55.980 turns out she's not really suited for it compare that to Kate Middleton who while not strictly

03:07:02.740 speaking nobility was raised in a moneyed family and she went to you know the schools and the

03:07:09.700 universities that the elite kids did and she was somewhat part of that world she fits into her role

03:07:15.240 much better. Some of that's probably a personality thing, too. But it's been an interesting little

03:07:23.040 fallout to watch. And I'm not some big fan of the British royal family or anything like that. But

03:07:27.560 it's an interesting case study as to what happens when you sort of drop somebody of a lower class

03:07:33.900 into a higher one. And it just really doesn't ever seem to work out. Yeah. And I know my co-host who

03:07:41.660 couldn't be here today he would laugh about uh showing up to the job site with new tools there's

03:07:47.180 nothing worse than showing up to a bunch of guys on a construction site who've been working their

03:07:52.260 whole life and you have like brand new tools and you're not of them you're not the guy who's got

03:07:56.840 worn out tools and you will get essentially lynched if you're too fancy you know so there is

03:08:04.060 they detect a stink on you that you shouldn't be that that you're not you don't have the same

03:08:08.860 values, the same, the well-treaded shoes that they've got. And anyway, I like that because

03:08:14.840 I see that everywhere now that I think of it. I had another question for you based on just some

03:08:21.020 of the stuff we were just talking about. We're talking about how people could achieve this

03:08:27.740 super individuality, achieve this enlightenment and transcendence. And I wonder, considering that

03:08:34.100 we are in the Kali Yuga and it's cyclical. Um, does it make sense for someone to even try

03:08:41.260 and achieve that? Or does it make sense to just ride it out? You know, is it because the,

03:08:47.760 our surroundings and environment are so corrupted and so inverted, could we even recommend the

03:08:52.360 average person to break off from that? Or is it just, you know, is it too hard? Is it not even

03:08:58.140 worth it? What do you think? Okay. Maybe before I answer that, I should clarify the Kali Yuga

03:09:03.820 a little bit better so that people understand the principles that are at work and why we have

03:09:10.800 a Kali Yuga in the first place. So the basic idea with these four ages, the golden age is our state

03:09:18.520 of unity. It's before the fall, there's no dyad, there's no male, female, there's just, it's a state

03:09:24.080 of being. And post fall, we then have the introduction of the dyad. Now things are split 0.71

03:09:32.900 into masculine and feminine. This is one of the hermetic laws. Everything has gender. Absolutely

03:09:40.280 everything. And this applies to the four ages. So the golden age is the age in which the masculine 0.75

03:09:47.520 principle, Shiva, predominates. And as we go through the successive ages, we see the feminine 0.60

03:09:56.760 beginning to take precedence until we reach the nadir of the Kali Yuga in which Shiva is almost 0.65

03:10:04.200 totally asleep the masculine principle is has retreated from the world we are totally under

03:10:10.580 the aegis of the feminine the feminine being related to chaos and becoming and flux and this 0.84

03:10:17.920 is why we see the problems that we see in this world this is a necessary part of the cycle and

03:10:22.960 this is like the hermetic great work on a cosmic level. At the end of the Kali Yuga, we hope 0.96

03:10:31.820 Shiva will be able to suddenly and violently react against himself, wake himself up essentially to

03:10:40.660 trigger the next golden age. And in hermeticism, this has corollaries with what's called the white 0.98

03:10:47.740 work and the red work. This also has links to things like sex magic. So the white work is when

03:10:55.040 the masculine principle becomes totally subsumed by the feminine. And through an alchemical reaction 0.77

03:11:02.600 within, you know, within a man or within the cosmos, that masculine kind of realizes like at

03:11:10.780 the last moment, hey, like, I'm about to drown in the abyss here if I don't get my act together

03:11:16.760 and stop like just indulging in the sensory pleasures of the feminine. And then there's

03:11:22.480 this sudden jolt. And at this point, the corrosive waters of the feminine are converted into the 0.97

03:11:30.300 waters of life. The masculine and the feminine can achieve a state of unity again. And this

03:11:36.780 begins the red work. And the red work is when the feminine is subsumed into the masculine and

03:11:42.220 reduced to the nature of the masculine. Now we have a new golden age. And this dynamic underlies 0.80

03:11:51.220 everything from the yuga cycle down to our interpersonal relationships as men and women.

03:11:59.240 It rules everything. So in the Kali Yuga, we are in this stage where the masculine is almost

03:12:05.440 totally asleep and we need to await the process to complete. And part of being, you know, trying

03:12:14.320 to reach a super individual state to be a man among the ruins is to recognize that this cycle

03:12:20.760 is all just part of the play of God. And we may experience that subjectively here on earth is

03:12:27.360 really unpleasant because we're divine beings and we yearn to be in harmony with God. We yearn to be

03:12:32.680 in a state of being, but we're not. So we're not having a great time down here in the Kali Yuga,

03:12:38.380 but God's just doing his thing. This is just, this is just how the cosmos moves, right? There's

03:12:44.380 always this interplay. There's always this back and forth between the masculine and the feminine.

03:12:48.580 And so if you want to then achieve, you know, that state where you've sort of transcended

03:12:56.760 the modern world, you know, a certain level of non-attachment is necessary to do this.

03:13:05.760 And so for a lot of people, that does end up coming with less of a desire to engage in the

03:13:12.060 material modern world. And modernity is, of course, you know, it's fundamentally opposed

03:13:17.340 to the world of tradition. So, you know, if you want to create a golden age within yourself,

03:13:21.120 then you have to establish that quality that you would attain in initiation. You need to do the

03:13:26.100 red work within yourself. And that means you need to reject all the values and attitudes of the

03:13:31.220 modern world. And as you do that, you know, you will likely find that you lose the taste for maybe

03:13:37.260 participating in it the way that you once did before. Some people who go through this process

03:13:42.660 choose to withdraw from the world and just focus purely on their spiritual journey, but you don't

03:13:47.560 have to. This is one thing that people do sometimes criticize Evola for because they're

03:13:51.640 misunderstanding it as being like apathetic nihilism of some kind. And that's not what

03:13:58.300 Evel is advocating at all. The alternative and the traditional principle, which is expounded

03:14:04.840 in the Bhagavad Gita, the alternative is you continue to act in the world, but without

03:14:10.740 attachment to outcomes. You're acting with equanimity. You're not being perturbed by the

03:14:15.900 goings-on of the world. You're just seeing it as part of this great cosmic play. And if you do

03:14:21.220 choose to act, then you do it with a commitment to duty, to upholding dharma, the law from above,

03:14:26.420 not because you're hoping to attain some particular goal in the material world, which

03:14:31.160 I think this is something that the average dissident right person really struggles with,

03:14:36.180 because they're very attached to outcomes, aren't they? And they see everything in terms of how do

03:14:43.780 I make this world into my image? And they're very angry about it. And they can't even conceive of

03:14:49.280 taking action without that attachment because to them caring about the world means being attached

03:14:55.480 to it and that means concerning yourself with outcomes but to the spiritual person this is not

03:15:00.760 any contradiction one can care without being invested so to kind of conceptualize this and

03:15:08.700 give an analogy like let me let me use a cat lady analogy like let's say let's say there's a cat lady

03:15:15.900 okay let's it's me actually i'm the cat lady let's say let's say because let's say that i

03:15:23.340 come across a starving stray cat which i often do and i feel sorry for the cat i'm and i'm moved by

03:15:29.540 compassion as well as by my duty as a human being i'm a steward of this earth and of god's creatures

03:15:36.480 it is my it's my dharmic duty to act with compassion towards all creatures so i give it food

03:15:43.500 but I don't concern myself with the cat's fate.

03:15:46.500 I don't try to catch him and make a pet of him

03:15:48.720 in order to like save him and give him a better life.

03:15:51.680 I would of course prefer to see that he's happy and healthy

03:15:54.520 but I also know that I can't save

03:15:57.240 every hungry cat in the world.

03:15:58.760 That's beyond my scope.

03:16:01.020 So I act towards that cat in a way

03:16:03.020 that is in line with my values and my duty

03:16:05.380 but without any attachment to that cat's fate

03:16:08.580 and it doesn't mean that I don't care about cats

03:16:11.080 or that I won't help cats when I can.

03:16:12.900 it doesn't mean that I don't love that cat because I love them all. But I also can't let

03:16:17.280 myself spiral out emotionally every time I see something in the world that's tragic.

03:16:21.980 And so when you're a spiritual person, you will start to see the whole world this way.

03:16:26.580 You see, well, like there's so much tragedy and suffering. There's so much evil and you should

03:16:32.560 act against it, but not because you expect or hope to win, but because it's the right thing to do.

03:16:38.940 and you should do it even if a loss is guaranteed simply because it is your duty as a traditional

03:16:46.720 spiritual person to fight on behalf of dharma in this world. And this kind of gets into the

03:16:52.640 like the warrior ethos that Evelyn talks a lot about. I don't know if you want to

03:16:56.960 really get into that though. I would love to, if you're able to, I'd love to.

03:17:01.040 yeah so okay this is the warrior ethos is not everybody's kind of got this conception of of

03:17:09.400 the warrior as like an angry guy with weapons i guess a lot of like a lot of people kind of

03:17:16.180 mistake masculinity for basically like this berserker type of guy right and it's not there's

03:17:24.440 nothing first of all there's nothing masculine about being in the grips of your emotions like

03:17:28.360 that the masculine warrior is the one who's like cold calculated and he's not acting out of malice

03:17:35.620 he has no emotional impulse driving him to act he is simply acting out of duty in defense of dharma

03:17:42.040 this was the whole like code of the of like the knights templar and and all the chivalric orders

03:17:46.800 of the middle ages for example it's the code of the samurai warriors and a lot of people might

03:17:51.880 say this reminds them it doesn't mean anyway of maybe in some way of stoicism now would that be

03:17:57.060 an accurate comparison yeah stoicism is not exactly the same but it's really similar and

03:18:03.320 there's definitely like you can find a lot of really good practices in stoicism especially

03:18:07.880 if you're a man um so for example in the muslim tradition you probably heard about like the greater

03:18:15.380 and lesser jihad the inner and outer holy war so the lesser jihad is the one you fight on the

03:18:21.980 battlefield. That's the material battle. But the greater jihad is the inner one. You fight against

03:18:27.700 yourself because within yourself, you find the enemy that is most perfectly suited for you.

03:18:34.920 And war is meant to provide a pathway for heroism. I've talked about this on my channel. The men's

03:18:42.160 traditional man's path to heroism is the title of the video. And I'm probably going to make a

03:18:46.740 follow-up video on this at some point in the near future, but we're looking for an internal victory,

03:18:53.260 not an external one. We are looking for what's called glory, vreno, vril energy. We are looking

03:18:59.360 for that it factor. And you find this on the battlefield, not because you win the battle,

03:19:07.480 but because of how you fight. You fight without regard for life or limb. If you want that

03:19:14.600 transfiguring heroic experience, you must fight without attachment to anything in this material

03:19:19.980 world. You are not attached to the outcome of the battle. You are not attached to your own life.

03:19:26.900 And this is, you know, this is why in the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna is telling Arjuna these

03:19:32.900 things. You know, Arjuna is, I don't know if you're familiar with the Gita. I'll just kind

03:19:36.560 of give a brief overview for any of your listeners. Please do. Essentially, the story is that Arjuna

03:19:42.120 is he's like one of the greatest warriors to ever live basically and he's going into battle

03:19:47.060 against it's it's a brother war he is going to have people who are his family his cousins because

03:19:53.500 they are not upholding dharma they are bringing evil into the world and he has to vanquish them

03:19:58.720 and krishna the god is his charioteer he's friends with krishna in his human form and krishna is a

03:20:06.880 wise friend, but a very kind friend. And so they reach the battlefield and Arjuna steps out and he

03:20:13.100 just, he looks at all of his family on the other side and he just drops his weapons. And he says,

03:20:21.660 Krishna, I can't do this. I can't fight. I don't want to kill these men. It's too terrible. I can't

03:20:27.060 face this. This is what we're hearing from the greatest warrior ever. Krishna basically has no

03:20:33.800 pity for him at all and says, Arjuna, pick up your weapons and fight because it is your duty.

03:20:39.580 And as God, I command you to do this. You're of the warrior caste. It is your dharma to fight

03:20:46.300 for righteousness in this world. You must do this or you experience like you suffer the worst shame

03:20:54.240 imaginable, but also you damn your immortal soul, essentially. And Krishna explains to him like,

03:21:00.560 time just kind of stops on the battlefield while this explanation is taking place. And he has this

03:21:05.980 very long conversation with Arjuna answering all of his questions about the nature of the universe

03:21:11.060 and the nature of God and what is right and correct action. And Krishna essentially says,

03:21:17.180 I have already decided the fate of these men. I have already decided who wins and who loses. I

03:21:23.980 have decided who lives and who dies. This has nothing to do with you, but I'm giving you this

03:21:29.460 opportunity to go out and fight this battle so that you can have this internal victory,

03:21:34.120 so that you can achieve this for your soul. And these men on the other side also get the

03:21:39.440 same opportunity. So you would see, for example, in the Crusades, you know, the Muslims think 0.99

03:21:46.060 they're fighting a holy war, the Templars are fighting a holy war, and they have different

03:21:50.240 things that they're fighting for. They have different beliefs that they're fighting. But

03:21:54.700 ultimately they respect and honor each other on the battlefield because you are meeting the other

03:22:00.440 person knowing that they too are fighting their own inner holy war and that you are both giving

03:22:05.980 each other the opportunity to attain that and in this in that sense a war is a win-win for these

03:22:12.560 warriors if each side is meeting with that mentality regardless of who wins or loses but

03:22:18.180 this is so hard for the modern person to understand if you only think in terms of material or political

03:22:23.160 outcomes for example it's like well why would i fight if i can't win yeah but because you because

03:22:29.120 you do win you may lose in the material realm but you win on the spiritual realm and that's the

03:22:34.780 important thing i'd never really heard it explained like that before i think that's a total

03:22:40.080 recontextualization for most people about what they mean by warrior and i liked how you started

03:22:44.600 that too which is that you know our conceptualization of a warrior is this sort of

03:22:49.760 unhinged madman you made a good point saying he's overly emotional but that's true like someone who

03:22:56.280 embraces unhinged savagery which is you know the almost the exact opposite of what you want to do

03:23:02.540 because that savage is also very likely to flee if he doesn't get exactly what he wants right

03:23:09.100 yeah well i mean i don't know you're a man maybe you've been in a fight or two in your life most

03:23:15.960 of you guys seem to have been um you know if if you're going up against a fight of somebody like

03:23:22.420 who are you more afraid of are you afraid of the guy who's shouting really loud who's a big talker

03:23:27.080 beating his chest or are you afraid of the guy who's sitting there not rattled at all he's totally

03:23:34.720 calm going into this fight there is not a flicker of emotion in his eyes which one's which one do

03:23:42.080 you think you have a better chance against and you see that most evident in high school as well

03:23:47.560 a lot of guys who've ever gotten in high school fights i have i've gotten probably into more

03:23:52.100 fights than i should but that's why i don't really glorify it because a lot of people who

03:23:56.140 haven't never gotten into a fight have the wrong idea of what it's like to be in just and not like

03:24:00.800 a martial arts sparring situation but just like an actual street fight like something actually

03:24:06.400 where someone's actually trying to do serious harm to you or even possibly kill you like i don't i

03:24:11.580 the person who's angry and making a lot of noise that person makes a mistake that's a person that

03:24:17.640 you can get a few hits in on but the guy who's cold and calculated is not going to make mistakes

03:24:23.040 you could still win against him sure but he's one of my favorite quotes one of my favorite quotes

03:24:29.220 was from mike tyson where everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the face yeah but i

03:24:35.580 school i school is funny because you know like the big loud bellowing guy you know you look at him 0.96

03:24:40.660 now like oh you were just molested you're just like a guy who's got a shitty dad like we're not 0.94

03:24:45.280 really scared of you as a grown-up you look at that guy like you're just sort of a probably a 0.98

03:24:49.460 broken person but the real dangerous person and you will see this in high school especially if 0.79

03:24:54.620 you go to kind of a shitty public school like i did i don't know maybe this doesn't happen in

03:24:58.720 nice schools but where i was there's always fights and you know um and that doesn't really change in 0.88

03:25:05.900 life but i've also gotten like i got like beat the shit up by like a short guy too so my experience

03:25:11.800 might be different than most but uh yeah hey watch out for short guys anyway everyone knows that

03:25:17.240 short guys they are uh they're a mystery you don't want to go you don't don't want to go to

03:25:23.400 a maze in a daze that's what i say yeah and so much of fighting is very psychological so you know

03:25:30.460 the guy who's flailing around in anger it's kind of like all right he can do some damage but like

03:25:34.860 if we all just kind of stand out of the way, he'll burn himself out eventually, right? And part of

03:25:39.920 you is almost laughing at him because he's so out of control. He's so in the grips of his emotions.

03:25:44.880 It's very feminine. But the guy who cannot be rattled emotionally at all, you cannot win the 0.98

03:25:52.360 psychological war against him. All you have left then is your physical might. You can't psych him

03:25:58.360 out. I'm curious, as we talk about this, we talk a lot about the masculine versus the feminine.

03:26:03.800 And I was curious, in your travels, do you see these ideas popular enough with women or does it tilt more towards men or what's your feeling there?

03:26:15.340 In terms of traditional ideas around gender?

03:26:18.640 About, yeah, about like the masculine versus maybe like the feminine being chaos.

03:26:23.480 And, you know, is that sort of track with women you talk to or is this this sort of thinking more popular with men?

03:26:30.940 It's maybe a broad question.

03:26:32.300 Even among women who call themselves traditional, this is an unpopular view. And part of the reason

03:26:38.860 for this, I think, is that, you know, there's been a lot of bad press against women in recent

03:26:44.520 centuries. Like, well, it's not it's not a recent thing. Like in some ways, like the feminist

03:26:52.820 movement has has done a lot to sort of shift that narrative. But historically speaking,

03:26:57.980 Within recorded history, and particularly since Christianity's takeover of Europe, Abrahamism in general, I don't actually want to pin that on Christianity because Islam and Judaism have a lot of the same mentality.

03:27:13.480 But that sort of like patriarchy that the feminists are always railing against, it's like, well, it's a really corrupted patriarchy that actually is not a good expression of what patriarchy is.

03:27:24.120 So I can understand why they don't like it. And they don't want to be they don't want to submit to that kind of patriarchy. And that's the kind of patriarchy we have in the modern world. It's a very corrupted one, because as I said, the masculine principle is asleep. So it's harder for men to presence that quality.

03:27:42.420 It's harder for them to be the stable axis, whereas women are, you know, at their full 1.00

03:27:47.940 strength, like the feminine is in charge right now. 1.00

03:27:52.080 But it's like a wheel without an axle and it spins off into chaos.

03:27:57.060 Now, part of the issue, too, is words like chaos being used to describe the feminine.

03:28:02.080 A lot of these words relate to things that are subjectively negative experiences for

03:28:06.560 human beings.

03:28:07.320 But again, this is because we're divine beings and we yearn for order. But it's not that these things are inherently bad. It's just the world of becoming is opposed to the world of being. And the world of becoming is inherently feminine.

03:28:26.600 Now, we need these two poles. I was just saying to somebody the other day, imagine music, for example. Music is a well-written piece of music is a beautiful interplay between masculine and feminine elements. That is what you need to produce like a classical masterpiece. 1.00

03:28:47.960 But if you have only feminine elements, you get just chaotic noise. It's like listening to a 0.95

03:28:55.800 little kid pound on the piano while the other one blows on a kazoo and somebody's banging on

03:29:01.680 tots and pans. And it's like, if you have multiple kids in your house, you probably know exactly what

03:29:07.080 I'm talking about. That's the sound of the feminine music without the masculine involved.

03:29:12.840 on the other end of the spectrum, the pure masculine is total silence. And total silence

03:29:20.120 is actually really kind of creepy to humans. Like if you ever have complete silence, it's like

03:29:25.100 people can go a bit crazy from that. Oh, they do. If you do sensory times, yeah, sensory deprivation.

03:29:31.620 And so what we then have, we don't want a cacophony and neither do we want silence. We want music.

03:29:37.540 So we take certain sounds and we impose upon them rules and limits. And this is what the masculine 1.00

03:29:44.620 does for the feminine. It takes that chaos, gives it rules in which it can have an intelligent

03:29:51.620 design and a form. And so you get then a beautiful piece of music because, okay, it's following

03:29:59.500 rules of order. There are limits to what we can do. And now we are taking this feminine quality

03:30:06.640 of noise, for example, and ordering it. And this is, you know, this is the whole principle behind 0.78

03:30:14.320 intelligent design of the cosmos. Without matter being imbued by spirit, the material world would

03:30:22.240 not exist as we know it. It would be, it's just the pure realm of becoming is described as being

03:30:28.200 something actually quite terrifying. It is like a hellish abyssal flux, constant change and

03:30:36.360 impermanence, you would be so disoriented. And so I think part of the reason that we have, you know,

03:30:41.820 this illusion in the material world that we're living under is almost to protect us from the

03:30:45.940 reality that runs underneath all of it. And so in order to have an ordered cosmos, we have that

03:30:52.740 injection of masculine spirit into it where it's like, okay, I'm coming in to be the center of the

03:30:57.820 wheel. And now I'm going to make Shakti dance in harmony around Shiva. And it's no longer like

03:31:03.740 spastic twerking all over the place it's our people in the ballet you see the difference

03:31:09.120 and what's interesting is uh in a lot of ways this is evident in male female relationships you know

03:31:14.680 um for example me and my wife you know something goes wrong especially we our son was born recently

03:31:20.240 you know if something's go go goes wrong in the relationship the man tends to want to go

03:31:24.080 and brood in silence and then the woman will emerge and try and re-engage with the man re-engage

03:31:31.460 to me like okay what are you thinking like i'm trying to solve it in my mind and stare at a

03:31:35.780 window and ponder but if you just have that you just have a quiet psychopath and then if it's up 0.98

03:31:42.340 to my wife she'll just be rambling on about any old fucking thing with no plan so but those two 0.99

03:31:48.200 combined create a pairing that can raise this uh hideous monster called the child and and and i 0.99

03:31:56.400 wonder that it seems to me and i'm sure you've noticed this that especially in our scene but i

03:32:01.780 think socially as well that the concept of masculinity it defines itself almost as the

03:32:07.480 opposition to femininity and to be more masculine you must be and we see this in political parties

03:32:14.120 right now too like you must almost be anti-woman and i think what i find interesting about the

03:32:20.660 traditional sport of view is it's more of a synthesis between the two and we see this even

03:32:24.960 in, you know, some Abrahamic faiths where like, you know, the family is the common denominator

03:32:30.160 of the society that man plus woman equals household. And that household is the indivisible 0.73

03:32:36.020 building block of society. But I worry that even on the more traditional side of things,

03:32:44.240 people still see masculinity as you must be anti-woman. Is that something you've seen in

03:32:50.780 your travels? I have come across that more times than I can count to the point that it is

03:32:56.700 exhausting to continue to see it. It never goes away. But what you're saying is correct. For

03:33:05.480 example, in the example that you gave, where if there's a problem between you and your wife,

03:33:10.140 your impulse is to withdraw. You're like, okay, there's chaos and I need to recenter myself. I

03:33:17.460 need to get back in touch with my own stable axis before I can be that for her. So I need to go and

03:33:22.960 have time to myself to center that. From her perspective, she's like, oh no, he's withdrawing

03:33:28.740 the stable axis and there's chaos and I need that even more right now. And so this is what I think

03:33:36.080 a lot of women don't really like is this idea that they are dependent on a man for that. And while it

03:33:42.320 is true that you can cultivate that in yourself to some degree as a woman, because none of us is

03:33:46.820 just 100% feminine or 100% masculine. Like you couldn't exist materially in this world if that

03:33:52.200 were the case. But, you know, like the most feminine woman could be like 95% feminine and 0.59

03:33:59.300 5% masculine, but most modern women and modern men are approaching closer and closer to 50-50.

03:34:05.540 Evola writes about this in The Bow in the Club, about this sort of androgyny that's emerging and

03:34:10.940 how the differentiation between the sexes is less and less as the Kali Yuga wears on.

03:34:16.580 But fundamentally speaking, woman relies on man to provide that stability for her. And when a man 0.70

03:34:25.800 does that, she is, of course, happy to submit in a higher sense. I don't mean the kind of like

03:34:32.720 being a doormat pushover that a lot of people imagine it to be. But her will aligns with his,

03:34:39.320 And she, she becomes a support for him as much as he is for her in some ways. And so this, this dynamic is fundamental to understanding, you know, gender conflicts in today's society. And I think a lot of people don't understand that. So what you're saying is like, well, to be masculine is to be anti-feminine. It's very reactionary.

03:35:04.040 there's no understanding on any profound level of what it means to be masculine it's just defined

03:35:11.260 as not feminine right and there's no definition beyond that sometimes you'll have people who are

03:35:17.440 trying to approximate it by giving lists of traits like a man does this a man does that he lives like

03:35:23.380 this he looks like that you know real men go to the gym it's like but that's so superficial and

03:35:28.700 trivial and none of it actually gets to the heart of the matter which is that the essence of

03:35:32.680 masculinity is that stable, unchanging, eternal principle, that axis within himself that he can

03:35:40.960 project out into the world. The stronger of an axis a man has within himself, the more he finds

03:35:45.660 that he inspires other people, other people are drawn to him. You know, everybody probably knows

03:35:50.500 like the one person in their social circle that everybody dumps their problems onto when they

03:35:54.900 need something dealt with or fixed. The guy who's always reliable, that's the guy with the most

03:36:00.600 stable center in your social group. Everybody knows he's reliable and he's reliable because

03:36:05.220 he has that to some degree within him, uh, to a greater degree than the people around him.

03:36:10.920 And this is, this is what men need to understand. That's, that's your masculinity. It's that simple.

03:36:17.480 That's funny. That was my lived experience with the last place I worked at. There was a

03:36:21.820 woman there who I was pretty friendly with and she was an absolute train wreck. 0.98

03:36:25.700 and she would always come to me and consult with me on her own life problems usually romantic

03:36:31.740 problems and there was no sort of spark or anything between us like she was the furthest

03:36:36.460 thing from my mind but i found it fascinating that she's always coming to me and not other

03:36:41.120 guys you know but maybe it's because i'm married and that that's a value judgment to her but she

03:36:47.460 would always have these like problems and she would kind of just seek out guidance because i

03:36:51.560 of represented something that was not chaotic in herself that was some some center of gravity in

03:36:57.800 her life and I was just kind of relating it to that I think that happens with guys that is what

03:37:04.380 a man should aspire to be not to have the biggest muscles or the loudest voice or to have sex with

03:37:09.600 the most women none of that is masculine none of that relates to any of this it's to be that person

03:37:15.640 that other people can find their center of gravity with and um and also let me just warn people this

03:37:23.680 is something i've said before it might not be anything that you're too too passionate about

03:37:27.840 but i warn people that the wrong idea of masculinity is very easy to be hijacked by 0.93

03:37:33.200 homosexuals and i've seen it happen i've seen it happen where a guy is like you know you want to be 0.98

03:37:38.340 strong you want to be tough what's tougher than gay sex and then there's like a percentage of 0.98

03:37:43.460 guys will be like you know what that tracks that really there's a bunch of guys in our scene who 0.99

03:37:48.640 would be like you know being a masculine like even kind of like america first is like that 0.97

03:37:53.140 and they i got they got a real gay problem in that scene but it's like yeah you gotta hate women like 0.99

03:37:58.280 you can't be a guy unless you hate women and don't don't even want to have sex with women don't even 0.99

03:38:03.340 try and engage with them romantically i'm like you got lost somewhere in there i think yeah this is 0.99

03:38:09.020 kind of a tacit admission of a very weakened masculinity. So one of the things you mentioned

03:38:14.900 when you kind of told a story about this coworker that you had, and, you know, that maybe she came

03:38:19.720 to you because you were married and that, you know, counted for something with her. Well,

03:38:24.420 from a traditional standpoint, a man could not become a sacred king unless he had basically, 0.94

03:38:31.880 he had a woman at his side, really. He has to have, he has to show that he is a stable enough 0.86

03:38:38.080 axis that he can bring a woman into his orbit and for a sacred king in these mythical stories

03:38:44.500 this is usually a supernatural woman of some kind a goddess or some other like really kind of

03:38:49.740 exceptional woman typically speaking and that he has to either uh seduce or conquer in some way but

03:38:56.360 but to claim her for his own and this is representative in myth of the masculine principle

03:39:03.380 overcoming the feminine and establishing its dominance. And so if you have men who are saying,

03:39:09.560 well, I don't want to have anything to do with women. Well, it's probably a good thing that they 1.00

03:39:13.760 don't. It's good that they recognize that they should stay away from women because it can be 1.00

03:39:19.180 very dangerous. Women are both life and death to a man. And it can go one way or the other. And a 1.00

03:39:25.380 man without the stable center is going to find death. I don't mean that necessarily literally,

03:39:29.980 but metaphorically and metaphysically speaking, he becomes enslaved to his sense pleasures.

03:39:37.520 It becomes about satisfying his sexual urges or his emotional needs or whatever,

03:39:42.360 all these very feminine things that are part of the world of becoming, whereas the man who has

03:39:47.660 the stable center is focused on the vertical path. And so woman for him represents life because she

03:39:55.600 is the tool through which he completes the red work that we previously discussed and attains his

03:40:01.200 salvation. You know what? I think we just solved male-female relations. I've been trying to say

03:40:08.240 this for years, but man, Twitter does not give me the character limits I need. How has your

03:40:13.040 experience on Twitter been? I know you're very active on Twitter, and I encourage people to go

03:40:18.020 check you out. And I know you're kind of getting involved with relationship dynamics a lot there.

03:40:23.380 what's your experience been on there? Well, I have to say I get involved with it more than I

03:40:28.160 want to, because lately that's all that comes up in my feed. I do not follow 2000 people who only

03:40:34.860 talk about relationship dynamics. But I'm not seeing any of any cat posts. I follow tons of

03:40:40.720 cat accounts for one. I'm not seeing anything spiritual. I'm not even seeing anything like

03:40:45.040 political current events, nothing. This is like the only thing that's coming up in my feed for

03:40:49.520 like the last several weeks at this point, maybe a couple months now. And so that just tends to be

03:40:55.940 what I comment on, because that's what I see. But I mean, it is a big thing. And it's something that,

03:41:01.540 you know, most people are interested in, because it's, it's always such a salient point in our

03:41:06.700 lives, right? Our primary relationship with the opposite sex is like, pretty key to how we live

03:41:12.360 our lives, how we feel about ourselves, our overall happiness. So it's natural that people 0.99

03:41:17.640 would be interested in this. And everybody's trying to figure out like, what's the key? How

03:41:22.680 do we unlock this? But they're always coming at it from this empirical standpoint that's not

03:41:27.340 grounded in any deeper metaphysics. And I think Evola really hits the nail on the head with this.

03:41:33.400 There's a chapter in Revolt called Man and Woman, which is relatively short and easy to read. I

03:41:37.840 would recommend that to anybody who wants more insight. But also his book Eros and the Mysteries

03:41:42.560 of Love, which is one of my favorite ones, he really gets deeply into these dynamics of masculine

03:41:47.940 and feminine and what that means for traditional relationships between man and woman, how this is

03:41:54.460 used in sacred ritual and so on and so forth. So that's a great book. If you haven't read that one,

03:42:00.580 you might enjoy it. I'd love to give that a shot. I've only read Revolt Against the Modern World

03:42:05.300 and I've seen his pretty impressive selection here. I think there's a publisher that does a

03:42:11.520 lot of Evola stuff. I think Arctos is the one. Arctos and Inner Traditions are his publishers

03:42:15.840 in English. Yeah. And they do pretty good work for him and translations and whatnot.

03:42:22.060 And I also want to say, I think I've asked you every single question I want to get to. We covered

03:42:28.420 every aspect of what I wanted to cover today and got very, very deep in a way that I don't think

03:42:33.600 we got with Evola when we covered Revolt Against the Modern World. I think we kind of came at it

03:42:38.580 more from a modern ironically we came at it from a modern perspective um and i which is totally

03:42:44.280 fine you gotta start somewhere yeah just like when we read renee juanon my fear was like we're

03:42:49.360 coming at this like we're too materialist this day these days but like we didn't really grasp the

03:42:54.940 deeper spiritual level but we're kind of getting to that in the show now um before we leave i did

03:43:00.280 want to direct people towards your your channels again to make sure that if people like what they

03:43:06.100 heard today there you go way way deeper into a lot of these topics in your youtube channel

03:43:10.760 especially is very very good for this stuff i can't recommend your videos enough and good product

03:43:15.080 good production quality too which is very lacking in the scene so i would encourage people to look

03:43:19.520 up a philosophy cat philosophy cat on twitter you can find her on odyssey you can find her on

03:43:25.740 youtube you find her on subscribe star and you could find her on telegram a very very popular

03:43:30.820 telegram channel uh which is important because some people they really seem to pick one or the

03:43:35.680 other and i found someone will have like a huge twitter and then like 20 followers on telegram

03:43:39.880 but yours seems to be pretty well enough balance um and i wanted to give it to you if there's any

03:43:45.560 other uh thing you wanted to say that maybe you didn't get out during the interview yeah no we

03:43:50.460 covered a ton of ground and it's been a fun conversation so i hope it's kind of clarified

03:43:54.940 some of these ideas for you and your listeners obviously like revolt is is a pretty dense book

03:44:00.040 it's not you know it's not impossible to get through but it's a decent size and there's a lot

03:44:05.340 to think about. And if you if you are new to Evela, of course, coming at it from just a modern

03:44:11.340 perspective is totally fine. Try to understand it, you know, within the paradigm that you currently

03:44:17.120 have. And then on a second reading, you'll find that you you just naturally get deeper into it.

03:44:22.680 Yeah. And this is why I wanted to talk to people like getting into this stuff. It's at the very

03:44:27.380 least a fascinating endeavor because it really makes you have to unpack how you look at the

03:44:33.700 world and certain preconceptions you might have that you didn't even consider and then to truly

03:44:38.560 engage with the traditional you need to rethink a lot of your assumptions and uh i just want to say

03:44:44.700 thank you so much for taking the time to sit down with me today and i hope we can speak again

03:44:48.600 sometime soon yeah it's been my absolute pleasure if you ever want to discuss evola again i'm happy

03:44:53.700 to come back all right thank you very much i'll see you later hey baby i hear the blues are calling

03:45:00.060 Toss salads and scrambled eggs

03:45:02.940 And maybe I seem a bit confused

03:45:07.500 Yeah, maybe, but I got you, Peg

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