00:20:16.500Culturally, it's a big deal because Tucker Carlson was one of the most well-known TV
00:20:22.460personalities and the highest rated primetime host here what do you think about that because
00:20:29.120this is again a developing story but enough time has passed where there's been enough people who
00:20:35.460gave their theories on what happened and he gave his response to it that i think there's there's
00:20:40.360at least a a box here that we can look into you heard about you heard about being fired right
00:20:46.280yeah what are your immediate thoughts on that well
00:20:49.740my immediate thought is kind of i don't i don't really care i'm not a huge tucker fan
00:20:56.280i kind of feel like he's controlled opposition and he's he's a pressure pressure release
00:21:02.240pressure relief whatever you want to call it so it doesn't it doesn't bother me that much and i
00:21:07.300don't think that anything that happens at that level is anything other than theater at all times
00:21:12.060so it does like i don't really care at the same time um like from i know a lot of guys say
00:21:19.260he was he's a positive force because he kind of takes normie right-wing guys and makes them feel
00:21:26.940okay with talking about some of these topics he comes very close to naming the jew
00:21:31.620um like talks a lot about things that are essentially like nationalist talking points
00:21:36.440so i get it that that's a positive thing i just i'm always suspicious because obviously he worked
00:21:43.680there now the fact that he's been fired then the begs the question was he actually fired for the
00:21:50.460reasons the same reasons that we love him or was he or is this part of some new op i don't know
00:21:57.840well there's a few theories and i think i know which one i settled on so the timing of the firing
00:22:04.440is relevant to what happened so not long ago fox news lost a case to the dominion voting machine
00:22:13.720company which is in turn owned by some very very important like financial organizations so
00:22:21.820they what happened was you know fox news and most of the conservative media but fox news especially
00:22:27.240was running with the story that the the election the donald trump joe biden election
00:22:33.340And, you know, the more recent one was fraudulent.
00:22:36.760Welcome to The Lead. We have some breaking news for you.
00:22:39.120I'm Jake Tapper. Moments ago, we learned there is a settlement, a settlement in the high stakes trial between Dominion Voting Systems and Fox.
00:22:48.000dominion was suing fox for 1.6 billion dollars saying that the network showed complete and utter
00:22:55.520disregard for truth and facts and accuracy when they allowed guests and hosts to push
00:23:02.640false conspiracy theories that the 2020 election had been stolen from donald trump
00:23:07.680and there's i think there's fair evidence that it was um the problem is
00:23:12.800we then almost every election in the past 20 years is under investigation at that point because
00:23:19.540every voting just generally kind of sucks every election this one i think is a bit more egregiously
00:23:25.680obvious but you know that's a pathway they don't want to walk down anyway but fox news was putting0.98
00:23:32.400forward that idea that these voting machines were fucked up and that the vote counts were off and
00:23:37.440then the company that owns the machines was going after fox who's suing them for something i believe0.85
00:23:42.000750 million dollars three quarters of a billion dollars uh which is a big deal for even the most
00:23:48.260legacy of news empires and so they lost that case um or they're they're settling out of court
00:23:54.700that's what they're paying and then like right away you know tucker carlson was like oh so
00:23:59.520everyone's thinking this seems related but how i think what had happened was that because some
00:24:07.260people were seeing that thinking oh maybe tucker was fired because he was forwarding these theories
00:24:13.440about the voting machines being fraudulent in fact tucker carlson was one of the few guys at fox
00:24:19.000who was saying that the vote was fine um he was on the record saying that like this is a red herring0.99
00:24:27.380you know this whole like let's not even go after the voting machines this is stupid and he was0.98
00:24:32.420actively working against some of the people that were brought on putting forward this theory and0.96
00:24:37.400question them and say what evidence do you have this and that so one angle to this is he was
00:24:42.100actually fired because the heads like the main guys at fox news really want to go to the mat
00:24:48.120over the voting machines like that just seems kind of goofy i don't know yeah that makes sense
00:24:57.500because like he was like the only guy there's another angle that um probably contributes to
00:25:03.760it's adjacent to the previous one which is that tucker carlson is got too big for his britches
00:25:09.760uh that the the article i'm looking at right here um by the los angeles times take that for what it
00:25:17.360is it says tucker carlson departs fox news pushed out by rupert murdoch murdoch for people who don't
00:25:24.100is the king of fox news basically um it says uh according to one person familiar with the
00:25:32.160discussions murdoch's son lachlan executive chairman of fox corp um decided late friday
00:25:37.980that carlson had to go says carlson's exit is related to the discrimination lawsuit fire
00:25:43.920filed by abby grossberg a producer fired by the network last month the sources said carlson's
00:25:50.480Senior executive producer Justin Wells has also been terminated.
00:25:54.980In deposition testimony, the former Fox News producer also said she was coerced by company lawyers
00:26:00.360to give misleading answers in the Dominion Voting System's defamation case against the network.
00:26:07.560The attorneys for Grossberg suggested her suit was a key factor in Carlson's exit.
00:26:12.940Tucker Carlson's departure from Fox News is in part an admission of the systemic lying,
00:26:18.280bullying and conspiracy mongering claimed by our client former top producer abby grossberg that
00:26:24.120doesn't match up to me because like that's the story they're putting with like they fired him
00:26:28.280because he's representative of this conspiracy against the voting machines when in fact he was
00:26:33.880not so it's it's odd to me that some people are saying that right here's enough i mean the voting
00:26:40.940machine thing is so goofy on its face that anybody who's anybody who's leaning on it in one direction
00:26:46.780or the other direction is is probably in a probably in bad faith there's so many other
00:26:53.040things going on that seem like a like nobody dies on the hill of whether or not you towed the line
00:26:59.100on such a petty and now historical issue as the voting machines in 2020 like come on come on
00:27:05.400there's so much else going on in the past four years and also um and if you can get a bit closer
00:27:11.280the mic if you're not oh i'm right against it okay never mind then um here's another one from
00:27:17.040the guardian tucker carlson's vulgar language and texts contributed to fox news firing so
00:27:22.820the the guardian saying that's him cursing in texts like they're just reaching for whatever
00:27:28.020it might be here among the leaked tucker texts fox news doesn't want you to see he called a
00:27:33.760former trump attorney a highly offensive sexist slur he also blasted his fox news division0.54
00:27:39.480colleagues as being quote pathetic i just didn't care the primetime hosts internal messages were0.96
00:27:47.280among the most embarrassing for fox as he said he passionately hated trump called for a colleague0.97
00:27:53.260to be fired for accurately fact-checking claims with voting machines and bluntly criticized powell
00:27:58.680other messages in which he called donald trump advisor attorney sydney powell attorney a c word0.99
00:32:37.760see this is the guys in our scene don't even watch cnn this is what you're missing out on
00:32:42.600yeah but is it lemon lemon's msnbc isn't he yeah and he yeah probably i think he's msnbc he also
00:32:51.820got fired and no one knows why so tucker also got fired that's like and don lemon also fired and he
00:32:56.720was just like what well don't know what was fired for no reason it seems like lemon lemon got fired
00:33:03.180i forget the exact details but lemon because they had already kicked him down to the morning show0.98
00:33:07.160and the problem is is the morning show is like people doing their fucking laundry and making0.95
00:33:12.100breakfast and shit right so you're not supposed to have like a political soliloquy but he kept1.00
00:33:16.660doing his dumb shit that he does and then apparently he like on in an interview he shouted1.00
00:33:22.840down like a jewish woman or something telling her that she can't talk to him because she's not black1.00
00:33:27.480and when one day when she's a black man she can talk to him about what it's like to be black0.86
00:33:32.140and it's like now sorry don you're fired well he's like doing instructional like five minute1.00
00:33:37.260segment on a new type of pancake exactly it's fucking it's morning television you fucking1.00
00:33:42.140nigger he can't turn he couldn't cut it like he there was like oh don lemon was fired no don1.00
00:33:47.860lemon's been fired this is just the he's actually not being fired anymore yeah this is the door1.00
00:33:54.740hitting his ass on the way out that's what you're seeing his career was being fired and he has1.00
00:33:59.320simply ceased being fired he's a professional being fired her and he couldn't cut it as a gay1.00
00:34:05.740black best friend for all that that legions of white women that only watch this stuff1.00
00:34:10.760they got they got to bring out like a gay best ellen degenerate was everyone's lesbian friend1.00
00:34:16.880for a while now they don't got one before her it was rosie o'donnell now now they need a gay0.93
00:34:21.540friend it was going to be don lemon he couldn't cut it because he couldn't just stop saying you0.97
00:34:25.640know white whitey's got to die whatever it was he was like yeah just but just he was fired and
00:34:30.920then it was like haha whatever like when keith olberman's fired i'm like yeah probably you should0.97
00:34:35.140be yeah well keith olberman should also be shot but that's a different thing he's a special
00:34:40.060your counterpoint i want keith olberman to live forever0.62
00:34:44.320in in brian stelter's world that's what we want i want all these guys to be eternal just as they
00:34:51.660are there's such caustic wicked delight i love i like seeing people sad i like seeing guys who are
00:35:01.460on tv and are used to being in a big room and then there's like 15 20 30 people they're all there for
00:35:08.040you manning the cameras they're up there in the crow's nest with the tablet they're saying five
00:35:13.020four three point point go like i love that and i love seeing him bump down to just talking into
00:35:20.600his phone still puts on a suit puts on his newsman outfit stand on his balcony and just have a spasm
00:35:27.920and there's something there's so few pleasures in life i don't get a lot i don't get cigarettes
00:35:36.400anymore i had to quit smoking cigarettes i had to quit drinking i gave up gave up all the powders
00:35:43.100gave up all the pills the only thing i have left is observing misery but not torture nothing too
00:35:51.800wicked right it's just knowing that some a guy who thought he had 15 million people in the palm
00:35:59.940of his hand is forced to start a podcast that can't break 200 viewers there is nothing that
00:36:08.380that is the nectar right from the source to me yeah and watching them have to go out every day
00:36:13.740i want them to what i want is them to live to 300 years and every night they have to do that
00:36:18.880and then i and i'll be a skeleton sitting in a chair and they have to do it to me and they
00:36:26.100gotta know i'm dead but i died knowing that this is going to be them forever
00:36:30.280that's what i get to do instead of smoking cigarettes good and then so and then bill
00:36:37.340o'reilly so bill o'reilly goes out here and he also says that um tucker carlson and he's got
00:36:44.580some of these guys still have their ears to the pavement of what's going on at the offices of
00:36:49.620these buildings because they're still kind of involved and they're like yeah the news was
00:36:53.400delivered usually there's some lead up to something like this but the news is delivered
00:36:57.720like midday on a sunday so no one is prepared people learn that their boss got fired and then
00:37:02.600it's like do you have a job well we'll see watch your emails i've been in that situation
00:37:07.040i've been in a situation where like my boss was fired and like an entire division is like well
00:37:11.900you'll learn by this afternoon if you still have a job and you're just sitting there
00:37:15.820watching your slack messages i'm like they're like oh should we work on something no we're not
00:37:22.520working on anything like i can't drink i can't do anything so i'm gonna i'm gonna find some misery
00:37:27.960to observe right yeah um but anyway so here's what kind of gave me pause um as they try and
00:37:34.340figure out his actual exit so tucker carlson breaks silence after abrupt departure from fox news
00:37:40.320um and he's got a quote here and and he didn't really address his firing directly but he kind
00:37:47.260of pontificates a little bit here when he says um uh it's like when you step away from the noise
00:37:52.060for a few days you know the world's a lot more different than what you see in the news the other0.99
00:37:56.900thing he knows is uh when you take a little time off is how unbelievably stupid most of the debates0.99
00:38:01.000you see on television are um they're completely irrelevant they mean nothing in five years we0.98
00:38:06.360won't even remember we heard them trust me as someone who's participated i kind of went into
00:38:10.300a tucker i shift started with a tucker impression because it's a fun one anyone can do but anyway
00:38:15.020like the way he's he's coming out and saying like oh all this stuff people talk about on the news0.94
00:38:21.020and in the discourse is bullshit it makes me think oh no are you like running for office0.98
00:38:26.040like you know what i mean like okay you're you're throwing the media under the bus0.98
00:38:30.500people who do that are stepping into a new realm is the realm you're stepping into like you're
00:38:35.980running for congress now that to me would be the worst thing in the world what do you think about
00:38:41.920that well i mean i think he might do something similar if he was just gonna do like you know
00:38:47.060i'm gonna start my own platform or i'm gonna go join some other platform which is like he's gonna
00:38:52.200go he's gonna go pair up with fucking alex jones or he's gonna go on trump's platform as a0.83
00:38:57.200correspondent or who the fuck knows but in any case he'd be doing the same thing he'd be trying0.97
00:39:01.560to throw legacy media under the bus so i really hope it's not politics like he's not that would0.92
00:39:07.180be a huge shame if he was involved there's only one outcome that i will accept and that is that
00:39:14.200if he joins forces with alex jones that'd be so great i would love that and makes a zord a giant
00:39:21.540media zord that just breaks it because here's the thing um alex jones when we talk about
00:39:29.300independent media i wouldn't even classify alex jones as on the right now he's kind of in in a
00:39:34.680different space but i think he's the only guy that is despite what you think about what he says
00:39:40.700despite even conspiracy theory guys don't even like alex jones sometimes because he doesn't go
00:39:44.820far enough um and then for others he goes too far into conspiracy theories right but
00:39:49.320But the thing about Alex Jones is I think he's the only guy who's really run a reputable news organization that seems to generate, it seems to be pretty cash flow positive, enough to pay people significant salaries.
00:40:04.240Whereas a lot of these other organizations, like The Blaze, doesn't pay anyone anything.
00:40:11.440You know, they don't have brand deals like they're scraping by and they have the look of a big organization.
00:40:17.900there's a couple people who makes money but like a lot of these are just rinky dink operations that
00:40:23.860just have a lot of screens around but i'm like if you're tucker carlson if you could pair up
00:40:28.080with alex jones i might believe in something again yeah i mean i'd have something to watch0.63
00:40:34.820i'd watch it for sure but then again i haven't watched alex jones in fucking forever he kind0.57
00:40:40.320of fell off the face of the earth yeah just just a something a new type of thing because what the0.75
00:40:45.360thing i would hate for him to do is to just you know everyone's saying that he's going to start
00:40:49.800his own news organization like uh must we we don't need we don't need another one i mean that
00:40:55.760i think we have a blaze we have a daily caller we have a daily wire we i think he has one called
00:41:02.080the daily caller so i i'd prefer for him to go do that just because it would be much easier to ignore
00:41:08.560his ultimate collapse than if he went into politics where you would have no choice but
00:41:13.700to watch the train wreck as he permanently destroyed his career so it would be cool if he
00:41:19.600just like wouldn't it be cool if he just did like the joe rogan circuit for a year or something0.99
00:41:24.020that'd be neat i'd watch that you know don't don't oh man fuck it's not it's not good it's0.97
00:41:32.240not good there's nothing less interesting to me than starting a new media organization because0.98
00:41:38.720he does have the daily caller he's the co-founder of the daily caller i just looked up right now
00:41:42.060But you're going to need to explain to me how that is substantively different than The Daily Wire or The Blaze or Louder with Crowder, who's having a real go of it right now.
01:19:01.280But, you know, if I wanted if I take her seriously, like I'm going to make this argument within her framework because it is easy to just dismiss it as like, oh, you just want to be a whore that gets free money.0.99
01:19:13.960um sure you know maybe everyone wants to be a whore that gets free money i don't know probably0.97
01:19:17.920not but a few people do some great men have just wanted to be whores that get free money right out0.98
01:19:22.960of the gate and i had this argument with somebody in the chat the other day right out of the gate0.95
01:19:26.400you have by the nature of your argument you have abandoned all value and principle so well hey you0.99
01:19:32.000know what though sometimes it's fine to just want to whore around and fuck random strangers0.99
01:19:35.700sure but by by agreeing to that we have now said that principles like fidelity don't fucking matter0.99
01:19:42.660and monogamy don't matter you've thrown all of that away before you even started the conversation0.99
01:19:47.780and hold on a second who are we talking to what what what forum is this yeah what the fuck is0.95
01:19:53.840going on so so let's take a step back and say that what she's trying to say is that and i've0.99
01:20:00.160seen her make this case before that women should be in charge of reproduction that men aren't good0.97
01:20:05.960at it women are the gatekeepers of the genetic code and that women women make the decisions of0.77
01:20:12.940who to mate with and that uh that should be trusted to women because men aren't good at it0.81
01:20:18.040that's what she's making i'm not saying i agree with that's what she's making i would challenge
01:20:21.700even that point so and i got into a bit of a discussion about this and we didn't really
01:20:28.220resolve anything with the guys i was talking to but there's some guys who essentially believe
01:20:33.040what she was saying what i was saying was well let's let's unpack what she's saying here like0.99
01:20:38.340the alpha fucks beta bucks so that means you fuck the chad the ripped athlete cool guy and then you1.00
01:20:46.940eventually settle down with a beta who gives stability and money and you know she settles0.99
01:20:53.240but that's the best outcome for the child i challenge her idea that this is the best genetic
01:21:01.440outcome because if we're operating within her frame of reference if you look around at the world
01:21:07.300we're in right now if you're if women are really paying attention to what what the if we're going
01:21:14.720forward into sort of information driven society it's not obvious to me that the alpha even provides0.69
01:21:21.800the best genes to thrive in that world correct so so if you are an elite if you want to be an elite
01:21:57.120her specifically because you know whatever like you're making the worst type of offspring you are0.73
01:22:03.040you're making idiocracy continue aren't you you and you will notice that race is suspiciously1.00
01:22:10.840absent from these people obviously it's on twitter so she fucking can't but uh like by your own1.00
01:22:16.840argument you could slot in not just fuck alphas but fuck nigger alphas and the whole thing still0.99
01:22:23.700works it doesn't invalidate your logic right so it is obviously i mean that's reductio out of1.00
01:22:28.920certain but this is obviously completely dysgenic there's nothing that isn't dysgenic about this
01:22:33.800argument and she goes on she goes on to criticize us for not properly valuing eugenics in the next
01:22:40.940in her argument she tries to you know do this little sleight of hand and say and so the beta
01:22:46.280is actually the hero the beta is secretly alpha no no actually the beta is the alpha the beta
01:22:52.020is the genetic code you should want to reproduce with but you don't and that's the problem and0.99
01:22:58.600that means that you women generally this is the argument i'm making are the last people who should0.97
01:23:03.960be this who should be deciding what genes to put forward because i've seen her before and many
01:23:08.580others like her they'll gesture vaguely to the past and they'll say you know back in the day
01:23:13.640women were always the keepers of the genetic code and we were in charge of this i'm like
01:23:17.080here's the thing you don't get to gesture to the past unless you're really gestured to the past
01:23:22.840you don't get to point to the past and say it used to be good back then unless rape is on the table
01:23:27.980because that that in fact and ownership of women as property how about that like if you sorry but0.97
01:23:34.260if you want to talk about the history of the entire fucking planet and our species that's1.00
01:23:39.280much more normal than women having any rights at all so yeah don't draw from history selectively1.00
01:23:44.740and say this is so great and then like oh but also you you'd be the property of men like you0.85
01:23:49.640were for 10 000 because because what they'll do is they'll point to the the statistic that goes
01:23:53.340around that historically something like 50 of the men reproduce and 90 of the women reproduce right
01:24:00.720something like that um in various cultures it shakes out like that i'm like okay that's true so0.99
01:24:05.760if you want to incorporate that into your worldview to show that more women should be allowed to fuck0.99
01:24:11.620more that's what they're kind of saying i'm like yes but then harems need to be on the table and1.00
01:24:16.520actually then rape needs to be on the table and women as property need to be on the table because
01:24:20.940that is what that was the 50 the 50 of women men who had all the women they were guys with multiple1.00
01:24:27.320wives that got to rape them whenever they wanted to and nothing happened so if that's not on the
01:24:31.780table you don't get to point to the past period because you we weren't not in charge when you1.00
01:24:37.460were the one doing all the fucking like you say no you were just getting molested and raped and0.98
01:24:42.280it was the guys who were in the driver's seat of what genetics were propagating themselves and1.00
01:24:48.120those genetics were rapist genetics so if you want to talk let's talk but then let's really fucking1.00
01:24:54.600talk otherwise that's the problem with the bronze age pervert people like you have such a stupid1.00
01:24:59.360fucking conceptualization of history that used to serve your weird gay modern political ends0.99
01:25:05.700and i don't want to hear these people just misinterpret history anymore about their like1.00
01:25:10.280busted sexuality because that's all bronze age pervert is he's a fucking faggot he's a faggot1.00
01:25:15.020faggot dork who's trying to trying to larp as like a warrior and you're not we joke all the1.00
01:25:19.580time about like we want to be really diplomatic i really don't want to be diplomatic i think it1.00
01:25:24.120is actually really like if we're just going to have constant knife fights and brother wars i'm
01:25:27.500actually fine with that because i was saying this earlier today the our side right now is so full1.00
01:25:33.740of bullshit and so full of of grifters and retards and fucking mutants and and faggots and1.00
01:25:40.460the gays how like fuentes and crowder how many of these faggots do we have to put up with1.00
01:25:44.920like i personally don't really care if infighting completely destroys our movement forever because1.00
01:25:52.040if that's going to happen there is no movement so by all means let's let's call bap what he is0.99
01:25:57.660he's a gay fucking greek jew with no new or interesting ideas and is wrong about everything1.00
01:26:04.340fuck him if you like bap fuck off he's and and with this bitch as well why are people1.00
01:26:10.100okay maybe this is a new turn for her that she's doing this but thinking back everything that i've1.00
01:26:17.140all of her previous tweets that i've seen have been kind of in line with this just not as egregious
01:26:23.100so you could always write it off as she's being a troll she's kind of trying to stir the pot and
01:26:28.380like with that there's always some grain not of truth but of like narrative consistency like
01:26:34.740she's towing the right wing line so we give her a pass right just like a lot of guys guys in our
01:26:40.660scene we give them a pass because like clearly they're schizophrenic but hey they're towing the
01:26:44.920line so we don't want to let's not have a brother war let's just give this guy a pass let's give0.99
01:26:50.800this guy platform even though he's clearly a literal like retard yeah i want to i do not want0.90
01:26:56.680to hand out passes to people who accidentally own the libs that's yeah that's the criteria that we0.90
01:27:02.800have for giving people applause in here is that sometimes what they say upsets libs and the dems
01:27:09.540or someone you know increasingly it's just upsets people on our side that they like you know whatever
01:27:14.720but that's why i'm like you know the only way to look at this is to act the summary of my point0.97
01:27:20.680is that women should not be in the driver's seat because i i i think if you look at it
01:27:27.040realistically women do not have a good track record of identifying the best genes to propagate0.88
01:27:34.080i think they i think they actually don't the fact that she and how many posts i'm scrolling down
01:27:39.500here it's like 10 tweets the fact that she sat down and wrote all of this out like she thought
01:27:44.680it was such a brilliant idea is such brilliant proof of the fact that they don't know how to
01:27:51.920choose and they don't even understand how poor and completely full of holes their own reasoning is
01:27:57.860right the again to repeat briefly beta alpha fucks beta bucks actually benefits offspring
01:28:05.920because of maximum resources and best genes so you think the genes are valuable right but the
01:28:11.020genes only come from the alpha but the resources are valuable but the resources come from the beta
01:28:14.660But you're saying that the alpha and the beta are genetically distinct from each other, but now the children are all going to be alphas, which means that the children are going to be incapable of creating resources, which means by the second generation, there are no resources left. That's called dysgenic. That's called collapse of civilization through blood poisoning. That's what you've done.
01:28:32.480Yeah, so this is what you do when you put a woman in charge.1.00
01:28:35.680And there is no question or like the topic of the women's genetic suitability is not brought up.1.00
01:28:51.680The one thing I will pin on the men is that there's a bifurcation between men that have high sexual market value and men that actually produce things.
01:29:01.160And I don't think that's an accident.0.97
01:29:02.480i think that's part of jewish influence over the past 150 years i think that's fucking intentional1.00
01:29:06.880however that isn't something that can be solved by allowing meddling bitches like this to convince1.00
01:29:13.900women on our own side to make decisions like this this is right out this woman needs to be1.00
01:29:20.240pilloried in the public square tomorrow morning 8 a.m please there's so many of these bitches with1.00
01:29:26.160cigarettes for souls walking around saying yeah actually have you considered like i've seen like1.00
01:29:31.420the red scare girls and all these people like actually you know balenciaga is really cool1.00
01:29:36.400you're all chuds who don't get it i'm like i'm sick of you i'm sick of bitches who think they1.00
01:29:41.480have their in the pilot seat of culture every time you're the pilot seat of anything it's slutty and1.00
01:29:47.080weird and dark and sad and wet it's like everything you do is a cigarette in a puddle yes i also i0.72
01:29:55.580just want to stroke my own ego for one second as i was shouting all of that my wife stood up and
01:30:01.360stretched her back and said great speech bro and then walked out of the room so sarcastic clap1.00
01:30:12.880um speaking of uh tradition speaking of how things used to be how things really used to be1.00
01:30:22.200did you want to talk about some weird esoteric shit yes yes i do just to prove our point to
01:30:28.160prove that we are the ones that actually look back in time if you look back far enough in time0.97
01:30:32.220it's all magic and monsters and serpents it's ufos it's atlantis it's space aliens it's all
01:30:38.320the stuff and it's all real it's all happening it's happening now even so there's this book
01:30:43.580that i read there's a couple versions of a couple books with this title and i got one i don't want
01:30:48.840to get the other one because i think the other one might be a bit more serious but um it's called
01:30:53.120the sacred and the profane by steve barney um it's it's a very very interesting book um and all
01:31:00.900the books with the sacred and the profane titles speak about ancient biblical mythology and stuff
01:31:05.920like that um and trying to relate it to modern day phenomena so one thing he does in this book
01:31:11.740uh that i know i didn't know too much about this stuff um but i kind of heard whispers of it um but
01:31:17.460he really goes deep into like the old testament mythology and in a way he tries to relate it to
01:31:23.020the modern world um and ufos and and things like that and just like the atlantis stuff the moment
01:31:30.120you take the mythology and try and weld it onto like bigfoot and ufos i'm not that interested
01:31:36.580you know like there's a lot we could have talked about with atlantis on the last episode we could
01:31:41.380have talked about you know the idea that atlantis actually founded in egypt founded like they built
01:31:48.140the pyramids i don't know i'm just not that interested in that stuff or like oh the atlanteans
01:31:53.740are the ones running the government now i'm like okay you know it's that kind of gets kooky i like
01:31:59.160the old mythology stuff similar with this but he he paints a picture of you know the the stories
01:32:06.360of the nephilim and the angels and all these different dimensions and how they intersect in
01:32:11.980the old testament and all the the references to it um i found aside from the old testament some
01:32:19.160of the references in the book were lacking um he points to like one single sort of biblical
01:32:24.820dictionary in the book there's a lot of the dictionary defines nephilim as i'm like okay well
01:32:30.660i would have liked a few more sources in the book but anyway i just wanted to well we'll go into
01:32:37.460this it's going to be a bullet point uh list we're just going to go through a lot of interesting
01:32:42.320facts and a lot of uh a schematic of how this spiritual world functions um just the book in
01:32:51.640summary is long considered the product of imagination and superstition the world's
01:32:56.980sacred writings compile what is often thought to be an archaic worldview yet many of these
01:33:02.660sacred writings, describe a nature of reality that is striking, that in striking parallel to
01:33:08.480emerging modern scientific theory. So what he does early in the book, and this is kind of what I
01:33:13.660didn't like, he will describe, actually I'll get to it in a second. Let me just start at the
01:33:20.460beginning. We'll start at the beginning. So he starts by referring primarily to the Bible,
01:33:25.820primarily to the Old Testament, and primarily to, you know, ancient Hebrew mythology. So this is a
01:33:32.200very jew heavy book and treats you know hebrew you know mythology and lore seriously so take
01:33:39.660that what you want but that's where you find the discussion of the nephilim and the angels and
01:33:43.880and the seraphim and things like that a lot of people have heard about these creatures before
01:33:48.720these entities and you know if you've heard about them but you don't know what they're about maybe
01:33:53.300this will help you figure it out um so he starts with this and and mate and you i think are a bit
01:34:00.040more versed in the bible than i am so if at any point you want to jump in and recontextualize it
01:34:06.020or say that you know this is obvious or they're getting it wrong just feel free to do that but
01:34:10.720um he said you know in the beginning god created heaven and earth from wisdom and power and this
01:34:20.160kind of creates this sort of paradox it's like well if he created all of existence what exists
01:34:25.660outside of existence or is this is there such a thing as power that existed before existence
01:34:32.380how does that power even exist if it originates all things even power itself
01:34:36.780so he says the jews say that in fact the god resided in this endless world called uh sifrot
01:34:45.180s-f-i-r-o-t and the sifrot is this ten realms the ten realms or ten dimensions where god resides in
01:34:54.300God first created the mystical sephirot, ten divine channels through which his infinite light could be condensed, contracted, and then released as individualized attributes that could eventually give rise to a diversity of finite creations.
01:35:12.440And these ten realms, they compose what's known as the tree of life.
01:35:18.120The tree of life and the endless world exists outside of it.
01:35:21.320in each of these 10 worlds represents something represents wisdom and power and beauty and one
01:35:28.060represents victory and things like that so it's like the these dimensions represent various aspects
01:35:35.020of sort of the mind and existence of god which is to say that concept of wisdom and victory and power
01:35:41.920predate existence itself which is kind of an interesting way of conceptualizing it um and
01:35:48.360within these dimensions within the 10 dimensions there's the human dimension and the human dimension
01:35:53.260is called malkuth um and that's where the material reality resides and it actually breaks it down in
01:36:00.680very uh physical and practical terms and he describes it's got like diagrams in the book of
01:36:06.860how these these dimensions fit together and feed into each other and which ones are higher and
01:36:12.480which ones are lower. He's got one here. He says, for example, a prayer, the cause, must funnel up
01:36:20.440through various Sifrat to God. Then the answer must then be funneled down from the endless world
01:36:26.640through the Sifrat into the manifestation in Malkuth. This is also the purpose of all so-called1.00
01:36:32.420spiritual actions given to the Hebrews in the Torah. Each is a cause that funnels up and draws0.94
01:36:37.900down the effect through these various dimensions so it's when we say dimensions it's nothing too
01:36:42.860abstract it's like up and down and you can kind of draw it out like a map or at least that's how
01:36:47.920they did um and that where he goes wrong and this is my particular grievance in the book is
01:36:54.060he looks at this outline uh from the torah and from ancient writings and says well this sounds
01:37:00.400a lot like super string theory this sounds a lot like we are our quantum physicists right now speak
01:37:07.400of 10 dimensions so in a way super string theory validates this outlook now where that goes wrong
01:37:15.260for me is that i am not a proponent of super string theory um and he he the main guy he cites
01:37:23.440in the book is mishu kaku um and mishu kaku is kind of like a pop scientist i would look at him
01:37:30.240more like the bill nye of quantum physics and he's he's a smart enough guy but like if you know
01:37:36.800anything about the the scientific community the physics the quantum physics community he's not a
01:37:43.380guy that's really taken seriously um and if if you're going to speak on these topics like string
01:37:49.200theory or like like stephen hawking's brain world theory or on quantum gravity anything like that
01:37:55.380like you better come with a name other than mishukaku because i read mishukaku when i was like
01:38:01.000a teenager and i liked him because he spoke very simply he could explain big ideas uh in a very
01:38:05.860simple way and joe rogan likes him a lot of people like him but he is not the guy if you want to be
01:38:10.620taken seriously when you know trying to relate your esoteric knowledge to something scientifically
01:38:16.860relevant like for me if i was trying to even find like a popular guy but be taken seriously i'd try
01:38:24.720and use roger penrose or someone like that like one of these guys who's like a titan in the scene
01:38:29.760um but he's not just this sort of guy you trot out on like the history channel to say like
01:38:35.900you know it tried to explain why ufos could use quantum tunneling you know like that so you know
01:38:41.900when he says in the book i'm just like ah i see what you're trying to do i appreciate it but
01:38:46.860you kind of lose me when you when you try and connect it to that um but then but going back
01:38:52.660to the lore he says that each of these 10 dimensions you got the human dimension the
01:38:56.380physical dimension but all these other dimensions are filled with other entities and those entities
01:39:01.740are very very interesting um so he has another theory in here now i don't know how widespread
01:39:08.900this theory is but it's it was interesting to me so he says um the name of god in the old testament
01:39:16.700is elohim e-l-o-h-i-m elohim elohim um but he says that name for god elohim is actually
01:39:25.280a plural so instead of one god it refers to many gods and so from there he says instead of god0.56
01:39:33.440what they're really referring to is this this extra syphrotic race when they're referring to
01:39:39.340god they're actually talking about millions of entities right and uh the seat the supreme
01:39:45.300authority over this race called the elohim is named l e l right um also known as el shaddai
01:39:53.580And then also as El-Eloin, E-L-O-Y-N.0.78
01:39:59.880And these are the three supreme forces of the Elohim race.0.99
01:40:03.440So there is like a hierarchy with one supreme authority.
01:40:06.900But this thing called God is this really much more complicated construct.
01:40:11.300And again, I'm not an expert on the Old Testament.
01:40:13.640Maybe this is old news to everyone, but this was kind of news to me.
01:40:17.860And he goes into, in the book, the hierarchy of the Elohim.
01:40:21.960Like how will these things fit together?0.76
01:40:24.240The hierarchy is El Shaddai at the top, boom.0.93
01:40:38.200Then it's the, this is called the Kaddishir.0.51
01:40:42.260Then below that you have the Nephilim.0.80
01:40:44.820And then so there's all these different kind of subraces in there.
01:40:47.400And he goes into detail describing them, which is pretty crazy.
01:40:51.680so here um the seraphim are kind of near the top there people have heard of seraphim and there's
01:40:58.600been these memes passed around online kind of where people are like let's see what how the
01:41:03.640bible actually describes angels these aren't technically angels but they'll show like this0.98
01:41:08.880crazy fucking multi-winged entity made of interlocking rings and covered in eyes and0.84
01:41:16.440that's essentially what he's describing here so he says the seraphim they're described as being0.99
01:41:21.120copper-colored six-winged snakes and he says they could also be dinosaurs he's kind of drops that
01:41:27.480in there um and he claims that they're these serpent creatures it was in the year that king
01:41:34.660had died and azaya tells us in what is known as azaya's commission that he had seen god seated
01:41:42.700upon a throne but it wasn't just god that had caught his eye but also the six-winged angelic
01:41:50.900creatures that floated above him. These, as Isaiah tells us, were the seraphim, or the singular
01:42:00.040seraph, otherwise known as the Burning Ones. And the connection he draws in the book is that
01:42:08.300one of this race was actually the serpent of the Garden of Eden. And Garden of Eden itself was
01:42:14.820known as this thing called the Third Heaven. And so that was sort of like a seraph of the
01:42:20.520elohim a lot and the case he's making the book is a lot of these a lot of these cases where it's
01:42:25.420satan or the devil is just one of these other races that might look somewhat satanic um and that
01:42:32.760the snake sits very very high in this mythology and the snake is it's the it's of the devil right
01:42:39.060but it's also this sort of arguably an angelic race that's trying to corrupt and we'll get into
01:42:44.680why they're doing that in a second um then he talks about the cherubim in western christian art
01:42:52.040cherubim have been adapted to look like cupid a god associated with uncontrollable lust and sexual
01:42:58.280desire the israelites and their neighbors didn't describe cherubim as chubby naked babies with
01:43:03.720wings the cherub is connected to creatures like the sphinx griffin and dragon hybrid creatures
01:43:11.960with mixtures of different animal aspects their main role was to guard sacred space
01:43:17.800in genesis they're patrolling the border of the garden of eden the temple in israel was
01:43:22.920a miniature version of the garden god humans animals and the heavenly host in a garden paradise
01:43:30.360um there's a class of cherubim called the zoon and the zoon are described as they're modeled
01:43:36.760after animals they look like big animals but they have six wings and they're covered in eyes
01:43:41.640inside and out so just trying to imagine what that looks like like a giant lamb this wing but
01:43:47.500just like covered in staring blinking eyeballs um he's got a description here um from the greek
01:43:55.360word zoon the english word zoo is derived i'm not sure about that but let's let's go with it
01:44:00.480because of the root meaning of a live or live thing the appearance of a zoon is distinct from
01:44:06.160that of a seraph the zoon's appearance suggests that this class of elohim could could be the
01:44:11.440pattern for earthly land animals such as the predators the herd animals and the primates and
01:44:16.520the flying creatures um it says uh fours and he's quoting the bible here four zoon covered with eyes
01:44:24.240in front and behind the first zoon was like a lion the second zoon was like an ox the third zoon
01:44:29.580had the face that looked human and the fourth zoon was like a flying eagle each of the four
01:44:34.180zoon had six wings and was covered with eyes inside and out so they're in the mix too and
01:44:40.180he's also making the case and again maybe this is for the hebrews out there known but he's making
01:44:46.580the case that the layout of like the tabernacle of the like the jewish of um the synagogue and
01:44:55.380arguably the church too is set up to represent the layout of how all of these interlocking
01:45:02.900eel him with sat because they said like okay at the center there's l and then along the sides
01:45:08.180are the seraphim and those are represented by candles and then before the throne interlocking
01:45:13.300the throne are these other cherubim so there is basically trying to say that the architecture
01:45:17.860of like the synagogue and like these tabernacles are supposed to literally be a schematic of how
01:45:24.580this you know otherworldly hierarchy was now again maybe some people know that maybe that's
01:45:30.820that's kooky i don't know but that's just what he says in the book and that's kind of interesting
01:45:33.780Because the other argument is that almost in a platonic sense, you know, Plato's forms that everything that happens in the material world is literally a one to one representation of what's happening in the paranormal world.
01:45:47.300So like the hierarchy, that's what he's saying about these creatures called the Zoon.
01:45:50.980Like they're these these otherworldly angels, but he's like they're kind of the template for our animals.0.94
01:45:55.860so that's like there is just an imprint of everything happening in this other
01:46:00.180spiritual world that's played out here on in a different materialist way
01:46:05.540um then there's this other uh entity called the ophanim o-p-h-a-n-i-m the ophanim they're
01:46:15.780described as giant bronze beings with multiple faces and calf legs and then within within the
01:46:22.620calf legs there's wheels within wheels um and all they do is they hand out scrolls containing
01:46:28.680woeful prophecies um and then yeah the the location of all these cherubs and the hierarchy
01:46:35.220correspond to the design of the tabernacle and their relationship with the throne um and these
01:46:40.440ones are like described as throne grippers so they're there like just imagine that the ways0.96
01:46:45.340to grab the calf legs and then beneath that there's like all these like interlocking fucking0.92
01:46:49.020golden fiery wheels and shit um and then on the lower level you have the archangels and archangels0.99
01:46:55.540are messenger angels that's what that means archangels are the messengers of the throne of0.97
01:47:00.320the supreme elohim there are only two archangels named in the canonical bible that the protestants
01:47:06.360and the catholics use they are also named in the quran as well these archangels are gabriel and
01:47:11.660michael originally there were seven archangels discussed in the book of enoch um they said that
01:47:18.180there's seven of them that stand before the throne and they announce events with the shofar
01:47:23.060um and he says in the church layout they're the seven lampshades so if you've ever seen it that's
01:47:28.980what they're supposed to represent um and he says like the rise and fall of empires and nations on
01:47:34.060earth like platonic forms representations of the wars between these elohim in heaven and this is
01:47:39.900what we're talking about that within the hierarchy of the elohim there are sacred elohim and profane
01:47:47.780Elohim and the sacred ones are the ones that are aligned with god and the profane ones are
01:47:52.740essentially the evil ones so he's making a case that rather than god versus the devil or satan0.64
01:48:00.180it's all this this giant group of sub races and there's just evil and good versions of either of
01:48:06.580them in multiple different versions um and that he likens that to even some the story of genesis
01:48:13.940the story of you know archangels cast down that there's just a giant war in heaven that's kind
01:48:20.100of represented here on earth in the form of armageddon and within that and we're going to
01:48:24.820talk about the nephilim now because the nephilim are an interesting species and we talked about
01:48:29.620them a bit when we talked about atlantis and one common thread i find when we discuss any of this
01:48:34.500stuff when we discuss like esoteric history the nephilim are always coming up but they're always
01:48:39.860described differently by different they're almost there to serve whatever the theory is so like
01:48:46.800when it comes to atlantis the nephilim were described as like a hybrid species of atlanteans
01:48:52.560and man here they're described as something different now let me ask you like in your
01:48:56.980biblical studies did you hear a lot about the nephilim no i'd never heard about that okay they
01:49:03.180come up a lot um people i hear talk about them but the common thread seems to be that they're just
02:03:53.460Well, he describes them as invisibility,
02:03:55.560transporting people between dimensions or worlds,
02:03:58.300appearing as humans, telepathy and telekinesis, and sorcery.
02:04:02.600So that's essentially what he's saying.
02:04:05.080So just in summary, with the sacred and the profane, what he's saying is that this race of entities, the seraphim and the cherubs and the nephilim, they are at war.
02:04:17.400There's a sacred and a profane version, good and evil versions of these entities.
02:04:20.740And these entities are fighting wars, not only in the spiritual realm, but also directly here on Earth.
02:04:26.400And the nephilim still exist in some form.
02:04:29.500And not only did the nephilim exist in maybe rare cases, but they existed in the past.
02:04:35.080Not only that, but then the evil satanic religion, this serpent and sun-worshipping religion, this Baal, I'm calling it Baal, it might be Baal, but I think it is Baal, that still exists, and it existed in the past until Christianity defeated it, but he's also making the case that it exists underground right now, that there's still serpent worshippers that not only worship these evil entities, but also the concept of ill-attributed wisdom.0.55
02:05:05.080and knowledge and that, you know, that's what, you know,0.65
02:05:08.900the cabals of the evil cabals of the deep state probably do.
02:05:12.800Anyway, I just wanted to give, just talk about that for a while.
02:08:23.340I'm the host of a show called Blood Satellite, and you can find that at bloodsatellite.ca.
02:08:29.200I'm also the editor of the Vanguardist Journal at vanguardistjournal.com.
02:08:34.640That's where I publish a lot of the more serious writings.
02:08:37.340The show itself is a bit more comedy-based and kind of esoteric stuff.
02:08:43.360And those are the two primary things I do.
02:08:45.940And I suppose one thing I wanted to mention, if you'll allow me to,
02:08:49.260It's that I recently came out with a short story book called The Colossal Corpus of Serious Gloves, which is available on our online store, goodtosuffer.com.
02:09:00.600And that's suffer with a V instead of a U.
02:57:13.660you just come in never just join the group comes in with an attack how do you think i'm going to
02:57:20.120respond how do you think i've had that myself too where it's an essay and i'm like okay like
02:57:26.920are you expecting or even expecting me to respond because i will but it's like was that just you
02:57:32.880getting it out of your system what are you trying to accomplish even you know yeah and then i have
02:57:37.200people who aren't supporters and i don't even know if this person's a supporter and i blocked them
02:57:42.060when they like they were trying i i i banned them from the group when they they i got i got the
02:57:47.500feeling they were trying to get me to fed post yeah and i'm not even going to do it in my private
02:57:52.120group okay so i'm not going to get it i'm not going to tell you my real feelings i'll tell you
02:57:58.700that private i'll tell you that privately when we're walking down the street we left our phones
02:58:02.520and you know back at the house um but then the person sends me an email and it's like okay and
02:58:10.180i responded i responded very politely but yeah i'm going if you come at me like that i'm you're
02:58:16.720going to get it back but then again i have people who aren't supporters of mine who dm me on twitter
02:58:23.060and go this person's this person has a really interesting take on this subject maybe you want
02:58:29.140to have them on the show thank you for what you do and you know what i'll reach out i'll look into
02:58:36.420the person they recommend and that person will be on the show a week later okay so what yeah why
02:58:44.280is one person do something one way and another person does something the other way and the person
02:58:49.840who comes at you like that they actually think that they're you know i i care more about i i care
02:58:57.560more about defeating the enemy than you do oh well but who's going to who are you trying to ally with
02:59:05.480It's like a salesman who immediately jumps into – we were looking for a home inspector recently, and we got someone on the phone, and we told them that we needed a home inspector really quick because the person that we – who was going to do it was – they had an emergency with their kid.
02:59:27.980They had to take their kids to the emergency room at 2 o'clock in the morning.
02:59:30.880I mean, we got the text at 2 o'clock in the morning.
02:59:32.360i knew that they were you know you know we were praying for them and um the home inspector we
02:59:38.680mentioned yeah we had this person and that home inspector immediately starts denigrating the home
02:59:44.000inspector who had to take his kid so oh i know who that person is they don't do this they don't do
02:59:48.860that they don't do this we didn't use that person yeah yeah i mean there's there's a way to talk to
02:59:57.120people and like if you see me you will see me on twitter going after i went after some cbc reporter
03:00:03.360this morning and you know i was pretty rude to her um oh yeah i saw and i'm as a canadian i think
03:00:10.680what was your thing i think you called her mid i called her mid and then she like screenshot
03:00:15.700a picture of me and like sent it back and she said something to okay tobias i don't even know
03:00:21.960who she was referring to it might be something canadian i only i only really know corner gas
03:00:26.680on like continuum and stuff like that i was trying to think like what's she talking about
03:00:30.440tobias from arrested developments because again like i'm trying to figure out how many tobias's
03:00:35.400do i know and i just told her hey i said okay but i think i look fabulous and your eyes are1.00
03:00:41.240your eyes are running away from each other that's a great thing for women like that where it's like1.00
03:00:46.680she'll throw back like oh you're ugly and all you need to do is say no i'm not and she literally1.00
03:00:51.480doesn't know how to respond to that they don't know how to respond to just stonewalling with0.91
03:00:56.040confidence. But, um, but yeah, I mean, I do stuff like that all the time, but that person is the
03:01:01.640enemy. That person is absolutely the enemy, but I, I don't consider everyone who come, who comments
03:01:09.260at me the enemy. But if you come at me with a frigging attitude, yeah, you're going to get an0.85
03:01:13.940attitude back. And if you do that in the comments, you're going to do, it's going to be the same0.97
03:01:17.800thing. Who do you think you're winning over by that? Yeah. And a good, I hate to keep harping
03:01:24.200on this but you know in so many ways asking what am i actually trying to do for example with that
03:01:29.220message it's like if i'm going to send a screed to someone what am i trying to accomplish with
03:01:34.940this am i trying to make an enemy i almost certainly i'll make an enemy and as i get older
03:01:40.620i find that i don't really want to make more enemies you know enemies just happen i don't
03:01:45.520want to go seeking them out right do i want to persuade this person do i want to humiliate them0.99
03:01:50.160Do I expect this person to say, fuck, you know what? You're right. I am an idiot. I am wrong about everything I said. Again, if you're old enough, you probably know that you've never or very rarely convinced someone that they're wrong in an argument.0.99
03:02:07.180A debate never ends with someone like, you know what? You're right. They would rather burn the relationship to the ground before admitting that they were wrong.
03:02:14.760so go into it with that like what am i trying to accomplish with this am i trying to make a friend
03:02:18.580am i trying to make an enemy like you had said if you recommend something to them like i think you
03:02:23.980you might like this this might help you you know sharpen your steel sharpen steel look at this this
03:02:29.420guy's got some good ideas maybe that changes your mind is that what i'm trying to do am i trying to0.98
03:02:33.580change your mind that's probably closer to the truth of what that person sending that fucking0.86
03:02:39.660essay was trying to accomplish but you know if you ask yourself that like every engagement i'm0.99
03:02:44.480having? Am I actually, do I want to humiliate and get them angry at me? What is the purpose of that?
03:02:51.680Or do I actually, do I want someone on my side? Because I think my side's really good. And maybe
03:02:57.040I can think a bit differently about how I engage with this person. Because people have done that
03:03:00.620with me. And I've done that with people. And I've come around to their way of thinking on things
03:03:04.440because, you know, they didn't position themselves as an eternal enemy and make their ideology0.99
03:03:09.760always, always like, if I, if I go over to this side, I'm going to be an idiot. You know, you1.00
03:03:15.920know, there's ways to do this. Yeah. I think what's really important. And maybe you can talk
03:03:21.820about this is really realizing that, um, you know, a lot of, a lot of people start businesses
03:03:28.700because, and they have this dream that it's going to be this gigantic business. It's going to be,
03:03:33.280um, you know, something that they can sell and make a ton of money and retire or something.
03:03:38.580It's going to be huge and they can pass it down to their kids, have a legacy kind of thing like that.
03:03:43.560But in most cases, if that's your goal going in, you're, you know, that's good to have that goal in the back of your mind, but you really need to be concentrating on building something small.
03:03:56.380And I think when it comes to what we're talking about, when it comes to looking at the enemy that we're facing, this perverted spirit that has taken over the West and has really solidified its control since World War II, it's going to have to start with really small groups.
03:04:18.620You're not going to have you're not going to have this gigantic army that's going to be able to do anything, even if it's just like an an army that's going to educate people.
03:04:28.620You're it has to be small platoons. It has to be small groups.
03:04:33.320And, you know, I think that honestly, if you do have political thoughts in your minds, I'm just fully convinced.
03:04:43.440And I don't know how I don't know that anyone can convince me otherwise right now.
03:04:48.660I'm sure some if somebody wants to try, I'd be I'd be open to it, that it's going to have to start with small little groups locally and it's going to have to band out.
03:04:59.820it's going to have to be um something that takes time and that's the thing that's the thing that
03:05:06.540one thing you know you know i i said this recently on a podcast that um i didn't come to really hate
03:05:13.760liberalism because i was reading like um you know burnham i came to hate liberalism because i was
03:05:20.260reading marx and engels and i was reading um lenin i mean yeah same yeah they hate i mean
03:05:27.260their passionate hatred of liberalism made me understand that, you know, how just how unworkable
03:05:36.140it is, how it will always, you'll always get to where we are now. Yeah. And some people will say
03:05:42.500stuff like, oh, Marx is stupid. I've heard that a lot. I'm like, he's not stupid. And if you think1.00
03:05:48.620that you don't belong in this conversation. Yeah. Well, I mean, if you think that maybe
03:05:54.060you've read one chapter of the Communist Manifesto, and the Communist Manifesto wasn't written for
03:05:59.040you. It was written for communists in Europe at the time. It's hard for somebody who wasn't a
03:06:05.340communist in Europe at the time. But if you read something like the German ideology, he spells out
03:06:09.700it's actually very well written, you realize he's a very, very good writer, a very intelligent man
03:06:14.880is just his, his prescriptions is, his diagnosis is pretty spot on when it comes to probably 90%,
03:06:22.900even Hans-Hermann Hoppe said like 90% of Marx is right. It's his prescriptions that are all
03:06:27.640just completely batshit crazy. And also, let me just say, historically, I was always
03:06:35.780pretty hostile towards anarchism. And I read a lot of anarchist leaders and books,
03:06:41.240and I just wasn't impressed. And a lot of the anarchists I had dealings with
03:06:44.360seemed really insane. But once I gave it more of a careful reading, there's this one book that I
03:06:50.200love called seeing like a state by james c scott i think it is yeah james c scott yeah we interviewed
03:06:56.720him for a documentary yeah oh that's awesome man i that book like he's i don't know if he would
03:07:01.740call himself an anarchist but it's such an anti-statist and anti-collectivist book like i
03:07:07.180would count it as anarchist and reading that really gave me a powerful insight on the anarchist
03:07:15.560tenants that are workable and it really you know it changed my mind on you know because he's look
03:07:21.640at anarchists now love they're just like weird crust punk degenerates but you know if you treat
03:07:27.020it seriously and do the reading you're like oh okay i get it now since we're talking about
03:07:33.600marketing and talking about um you know advertising things like that let's finish on this because i do
03:07:39.320I do I do have something else another interview of course of course okay I just wrote this down
03:07:47.600while we were talking basically at this point to anyone who is even nominally right-wing
03:07:54.160the people we're talking to it's like we're literally like it's it would be as easy as
03:08:01.760selling water to a man lost in the desert. So why does it seem so hard? Why are we making it
03:08:10.120so hard that people don't want to? People run away when we start talking. Some people start
03:08:18.500talking the way they do over on this side. Well, there's a few layers to that. And I say that
03:08:26.000because I want to treat the question seriously, because some people will say, oh, we're too
03:08:29.980online yeah perhaps um youth is part of it like if you're 22 23 sometimes it's difficult to
03:08:37.620articulate your dreams and passions in a non-insane way now i'm in my mid-30s i remember what's like
03:08:44.360to be a 23 year old me it's almost impossible to have the right read on any situation which0.97
03:08:49.580isn't to say that young people are stupid obviously but um there's obviously some cases0.94
03:08:54.100in our scene of young guys we're very dialed in with everything but part of it is you know0.98
03:08:59.720if you're a young guy and you're out there, everything's going to kind of sound a bit extreme
03:09:03.880just because young guys are extreme by nature. So that's one thing. The other thing is there's
03:09:08.800social and environmental pressures, you know, you know, are, are we, when we're trying to talk to0.92
03:09:14.620regular people, well, you know, here we go again with my marketing bullshit, but it's like, I I've0.55
03:09:20.800advocated that there's no such thing as the normie, you know, you need to, there's no regular0.95
03:09:25.780people. There's no the people. There's different demographics I can break down. So a lot of the
03:09:30.760times, we're going to a regular person and explaining our ideas in a way that they're just
03:09:36.620not set up to receive. It's too complicated. It's too extreme. It's too entrenched in a language
03:09:43.720that they don't understand it. This is a problem we get into a lot on our side, which is we like
03:09:48.320using words that are hostile to the average person's understanding. We love coming up with
03:09:55.340new words you know like uh academic agent does this a lot and you know that no white guilt guy
03:10:01.100for example you know he was trying to say oh what we should do is even in terms of race realism
03:10:06.380introduce the idea of bio lenin uh that wasn't um bio spirit you know and we spent such a long time
03:10:13.780introducing new words into the lexicon it's like before you teach someone your ideas you need to0.58
03:10:20.040teach them an entirely new fucking dictionary instead of operating within their framework0.69
03:10:25.440that works against us because we're trying to be too we reject so much of the mainstream culture0.97
03:10:31.940we almost don't want to engage with them at that level and it's not like it's difficult like i said0.94
03:10:37.880if everyone in my fucking family is a liberal bureaucrat and but that's good that means i can0.84
03:10:44.180figure out how to take these ideas like you'd said which are pretty popular and craft them in a way0.99
03:10:49.480that they can at least understand and maybe they don't need to agree that i'm right right away and
03:10:54.880that's kind of leading in my next point is that when we engage with people a lot of the times
03:10:59.620we're coming at it like a debate or an argument that person you're just talking about a sense of0.94
03:11:04.560seven paragraph thing a fucking bunch of barbed wire thrown at your face you know that's not the0.91
03:11:11.680best way to do it this is how you kind of red pill people it's like go to them with go to them0.98
03:11:16.540softly go to them and give them something to think about then they come back you know but if you come0.98
03:11:21.120at them and you're just trying to upload all your shit into their head it's too much it's too much0.96
03:11:27.300for anyone you know and again that's if you're young you just kind of want to do that you want1.00
03:11:31.620to lecture but the less you lecture and the more you try and understand practice empathy sounds gay0.51
03:11:38.680i know but practicing empathy can be a superpower just like autism if you're an empathetic autist
03:11:45.820there's nothing stopping you so a lot of it is just you know where we're coming from and that
03:11:51.760you know i i don't want to discount the fact that the media is working against us some people have
03:11:57.600built-in hostilities towards us so if you go to them and talk about anything race realist even on
03:12:03.540the light end or anything and not even trying to be anti-semitic even introducing the idea of like
03:12:08.400i just don't like israel there's a lot of baggage that comes with that there's a lot you got to
03:12:12.780work through. So it's not like it's all us and we're just bad at it. But there are tactical0.99
03:12:18.920ways to kind of break through the wall of ice that's been established by the mainstream media
03:12:24.480in discussing some of these topics. And some are going to be more difficult than others.
03:12:30.000You know, the Israel thing is going to be, you got to be surgical with that. And some people are,0.61
03:12:35.960you know, but then if it comes to the trans issue, I don't think you need to be surgical at all.
03:12:40.480um there's a lot of social issues that are easier than others um and don't try and attack every
03:12:47.460issue at once you know and another thing and i'm just gonna i'm mag jumping on you right now
03:12:53.560um one thing that i think is important for people and i i know others have done this perhaps even
03:13:00.520dark enlightenment did but uh having a positivistic view of the world you want to create
03:13:06.700and this is difficult this is going to take a lot of introspection but um a lot of the problems that
03:13:13.140we have on our side i think is that we are to our core still reactionary a lot of the marxist
03:13:19.480critiques of the right are valid in that we often don't come forward with a full fleshed out
03:13:26.720positivistic we're not we don't sell people on the world that we advocate for we're good at
03:13:32.060breaking down the world that exists. We're pretty good at critique. We're pretty good at dark comedy
03:13:37.000and making fun of people. But a lot of us, we're selling apocalypse. And apocalypse is a hard sell.
03:13:45.180Most people are only coming to the table with, we should nuke the White House. We got to destroy0.96
03:13:51.200America, destroy democracy. And that works on some people. That works on all the people that
03:13:57.680we've got but you get a lot of anti-social personalities wrapped up in that you get a lot
03:14:03.000of people who just like revolution for the sake of revolution you don't want those people around
03:14:07.440those people will turn on you so unless you can articulate a positive vision of the world you
03:14:12.680want not just like like here's one like people will criticize feminists will criticize you know
03:14:18.740the the gender queer stuff the trans stuff there's not a lot of people who make a full-throated case
03:14:24.920for why the gender binary is good some people do i don't know but it's it's rare or you know why0.94
03:14:33.380democracy doesn't matter why does traditionalism matter it can't just be that modernism sucks
03:14:39.940and that's you know i maybe i just gave you too much there does any of that make sense0.61
03:14:44.220No, it makes sense. And yeah, it is. A lot of us are frustrated. A lot of us aren't as smart as we think we are. A lot of us are way smarter than we actually need to be in order to sometimes too smart to talk to people who to normal people to normies to have a conversation.
03:15:12.720I was having dinner with my wife's family, and we were all hanging out in the living room afterwards.
03:15:19.360And my wife went in the kitchen to make coffee, and she hears her 13-year-old niece go, so why would the FBI stand down on the Oklahoma City bombing?
03:15:33.640And she runs in there and goes, I need your help over here.
03:15:36.240it's like it's like like can you stop red pilling my you know we stopped the red pilling for five
03:15:45.100seconds but um yeah i mean we're once you get your eyes open to exactly what's happening and
03:15:55.600that it's happened before and that um if it doesn't stop what you know what has the potential
03:16:03.100to happen and not even the potential what's almost certainly going to happen um it's
03:16:10.500it's hard not to be excited when you talk to people it's hard not to have a sense of urgency
03:16:17.380that uh very often um when you're especially if if you're harboring a lot of anger uh doesn't
03:16:25.760come out in a way that just absolutely uh you know makes people run yeah and you know you have
03:16:34.300to like people you actually have to like the people that you supposedly are doing this all
03:16:39.880for and i always remind people that it's like remember the primary reason you're in this scene
03:16:45.100and it's not easy being on this side you get fired you get attacked you get doxxed you get0.64
03:16:50.640you lose your family that some people have lost so fucking much on our side you get kicked out
03:16:55.420in the army they end up in jail in the army jail which might be better or worse than regular jail0.97
03:17:00.480i don't fucking know but if you are putting your your credentials on the line like that you should0.79
03:17:07.200at least be sure that you're sacrificing something for a cause you actually have to like the people0.96
03:17:12.580that you're supposedly doing this for it's very difficult to be engaged in a political project
03:17:18.480where you hate most people you know what i mean and um you know just an example i know you have
03:17:24.820to get going soon. But one thing that occurred to me as you're discussing the libertarianism thing
03:17:29.840that one example we're talking about is I could probably get a libertarian on our side. I don't
03:17:36.060write off libertarians like everyone else does. Everyone says, don't even fucking bother. Look,0.99
03:17:39.600there's a lot of libertarians. There's a lot of smart libertarians. And there's a lot of
03:17:43.160libertarians who are ready to listen. I could go to them and say, look, I actually like
03:17:48.060libertarianism. I like the world you have in your mind, I think would be a great world.
03:17:54.820However, it is ill-equipped to address this current historical period. You cannot have libertarianism in a multicultural society. And I say that as a fan of libertarianism. So let's come together over that problem. How can we chart a course to your perfect world?0.99
03:18:11.820Well, I'm bringing you into my frame of reference by saying, you have to admit to these problems.
03:18:17.640Now, that's a pathway we're starting to cross together, but it's not the hardest thing in the world to get these people admitting to the issues of the day that you have in your mind, in my opinion, at least.
03:19:26.300So bloodsatellite.ca is where you can find all the things related to the show.
03:19:31.620full episodes, clips, everything like that. Uh, the van, uh, vanguardist journal.com for some
03:19:37.620really, uh, kooky articles, um, and, uh, our merchandise, including shirts and some of the
03:19:44.260other content careers that I partnered with, and we're selling their merchandise, uh, is that
03:19:48.460good suffer.com and suffer has a V instead of a U. And, uh, I just want to say before we go,
03:19:55.700I had a fantastic time. Um, I hope you did as well. Thank you so much for having me on.
03:20:00.420No, thank you. I, um, I'm sure we pissed off a lot of people and, um, you know, just, just know we're, I think we're two people who are really serious and we really, I don't think either one of us are LARPing in this.
03:20:17.220And a lot of what we commented on today really comes off as LARPing when people are doing it.
03:20:28.000So hopefully take a lot of some of the serious content we talked about when we talk about communication and people will take that to heart.