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00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be a

00:00:07.840 blood satellite i don't like how we started introducing ourselves we kind of fell into this

00:00:21.580 nasty habit of saying here we are hi we never actually introduce ourselves though let's do

00:00:28.300 that hi i'm judas i'm the co-host of blood satellite the only canadian podcast and this 0.92

00:00:32.920 is my host dimes lovely man i was gonna introduce myself as uh apollonian germ what's that fucking 0.87

00:00:41.480 guy what's a guy i don't like is that a guy apollonian germ what an awful name it's richard 0.96

00:00:46.840 spencer's shithead friend what's his name oh he was like worships apollo yeah yeah yeah yeah he 0.69

00:00:52.440 has a like his actual name is also gay i forget just name who's a guy brahman is it mark brahman 0.60

00:01:00.460 yes yeah we talk about richard spencer too much i've noticed and that's not you that's a comment

00:01:06.800 on me and not even for any reason it's never to complain about him it's never to praise him

00:01:13.200 he's just a name you reach for and i i reach for in my box of names and he's always the guy i pull

00:01:19.220 out and i it's i gotta find a new guy who's a new guy i can refer to forrest whitaker there's a whack

00:01:26.120 of him you could do forrest whitaker yeah there's lots of guys in the world right i think i mean

00:01:31.800 it's practically full of guys not necessarily rocking dudes but there's plenty that you could

00:01:36.060 make the butt of a joke yeah oh yeah you know a lot of guys name five 0.51

00:01:40.340 oh shit um nick fuentes uh richard spencer fuck richard spencer yeah 0.90

00:01:49.260 richard dreyfus spencer pratt shit 0.87

00:01:54.860 oh shit this is off to a bad start 0.90

00:02:01.200 oh man you i was laughing at today and i i probably should have shown this to you but i 0.78

00:02:13.040 assume you've seen it the oppenheimer movie you watched this no like you've seen the trailer

00:02:19.940 right i've seen the trailer for it yeah race against the nazis

00:02:23.640 and i know what it means if the nazis have a bomb

00:02:31.420 we have a 12-month head start 18 how could you possibly know that

00:02:38.820 we've got one hope all america's industrial might and scientific innovation connected here

00:02:46.880 secret laboratory keep everyone there until it's done

00:02:53.640 there's something so funny about that movie to me everyone there's something about christopher

00:02:58.200 nolan movies that are instant memes i don't know what it is about them maybe it's that they're that

00:03:04.180 popular but it's like that that cia meme from the dark knight rises there's something about

00:03:10.320 the the way he does it where it's immediate it's funny and it's it's kind of dumb but it's not

00:03:17.720 unenjoyable like first of all i guess what frustrates me about the movie is i think it's a

00:03:24.620 lie i i don't think it's accurate i don't think it's an accurate portrayal of what happened

00:03:31.720 because you know there's it's got matt damon in it and everyone's running everyone's walking very

00:03:38.300 fast through hallways so what i'm getting so far is we can't have an accurate portrayal of the

00:03:43.080 nuclear bomb of the of the project because a it didn't actually involve matt damon and b nobody

00:03:50.040 ran no one would have why would they have ever ever run yeah do people run through hallways ever

00:03:57.220 first of all ask yourself that yeah even in a hospital i've never seen a doctor run they don't

00:04:03.580 you know what you know what i mean like oh you've seen a nurse run liar you've seen a brisk pace at 0.74

00:04:10.820 most and they're trying to fucking pull a band saw out of a guy's ball sack you know like that's

00:04:18.040 that's more urgent like it's not as important as an atomic bomb but it is more urgent

00:04:23.620 but then it's also you know they're like the nazis are going to have it because they have

00:04:28.860 to mention nazis they need they need the nazis to be the villain because the real story doesn't

00:04:35.400 work on film and the real story is what if there was just a weird asshole who really wanted to

00:04:41.900 build a bomb and was just waiting for a war you know what i mean like i i don't i don't think

00:04:47.320 oppenheimer was doing it because he wanted to defeat the nazis i don't think i don't think

00:04:54.220 the american military did it because they wanted to defeat the nazis i think they wanted to kill

00:04:58.740 japanese people i don't think the nazis were even on the top of their mind i'm just reminded of the

00:05:04.840 Oppenheimer trailer edit where it's like I thought I was building a rice cooker. It's like well, I mean

00:05:11.000 In a matter of speaking you were sir

00:05:15.880 Dr. Oppenheimer

00:05:19.400 Is about to find out

00:05:22.280 Oppenheimer style

00:05:34.840 Well, that's where the meme starts.

00:05:55.740 The meme starts with Oppenheimer, his head in his hand, like, my God, what have I done?

00:06:02.340 and obviously my bomb la killed people my bomb la killed because like the joke is like literally

00:06:09.980 what did you think you were doing like how can you be thunderstruck that the bomb you spent i

00:06:15.820 don't know like a year working on did the thing that you designed it to do but then also i guess

00:06:23.680 the joke is that like he just likes building bombs that maybe that maybe that's the story

00:06:30.100 the story and also he's a weird guy because that quote that is always attributed to him i am become

00:06:36.580 death the destroyer of worlds him quoting the bug david or whatever it is it's like that's like a

00:06:41.500 weird guy thing to do no one does that that's not a quote that anyone has their pocket that means

00:06:46.760 that he prepared that quote for that moment yeah he he rehearsed it and he picked it out

00:06:53.360 some obscure bullshit something he went into this saying i'm going to repeat something that's going 0.52

00:06:59.060 to be in the history books a that's a psychotic thing to do and b he picked a psychotic quote 0.77

00:07:05.220 a bunch of a bunch of esoteric indian shit well what's neat to me now like we're talking about

00:07:12.720 this right a year ago we weren't talking about it i mean in the public consciousness it was kind of

00:07:19.220 just that was oppenheimer's quote and at face value it kind of it there's a little story but

00:07:24.420 there's not much depth to it it's just you know genius man builds thing for his country in the

00:07:29.700 end regrets it because of the damage it causes and i guess he didn't really think it through

00:07:32.980 fine there's it's a little you know allegory or whatever um but now we can see it does not stand

00:07:39.880 up to any scrutiny any any magnification at all the entire thing is absurd on its face because

00:07:45.680 like you said how on earth like this is not like you built a bridge wrong and it fell over this is

00:07:51.640 not something technical this is like bleeding edge you're the only man on earth capable of it

00:07:56.920 and it took all of your faculty and intuition and intellect for a decade and at no point did you

00:08:04.180 regret it and then everybody's like well obviously you didn't actually regret it what you're what you

00:08:09.660 did was you pulled a weird esoteric quote for a news article to try to dramatize it because you're 0.76

00:08:15.540 a weird jew and that's what you do you wanted to be both the hero and and and you wanted to be the 0.90

00:08:21.260 god of death but also be a sympathetic you know like almost a martyr like he's also the victim 0.99

00:08:29.200 somehow i i want a movie and this is the movie i thought i was getting and it's a rug pull for 0.56

00:08:35.360 dimes i thought it was going to be the story of the smartest dumbass in the world because right

00:08:43.060 because if the quote if if the like the common understanding of that little allegory about him 0.91

00:08:47.580 was true that would be the story that he's just had the wool over his eyes the whole fucking time 0.93

00:08:52.100 and he honestly thought he was building a rice cooker he's the world's smartest retard like that 0.92

00:08:56.500 that would be a great movie actually that's a great movie like the imitation game with benedict 0.96

00:09:01.140 cumberbatch kind of the underlying thing of that movie is that here's just an autistic guy who

00:09:06.800 wanted to build a very very complicated machine and the war is incidental he this machine could 0.68

00:09:14.060 be used for anything and he's using it to crack a code it doesn't matter what the fucking code is 0.91

00:09:19.200 this guy he's in a room and he's gay and his brain's fucked up that's the story i wanted a 0.97

00:09:25.600 similar story i wanted a first of all i wanted a gay oppenheimer didn't get that i wanted i wanted 0.95

00:09:33.300 an autistic oppenheimer i don't think i'm getting that i'm getting a lot of walking fast through

00:09:38.060 hallways running through hallways again fiction yeah don't what's the last time you ran through 0.53

00:09:44.820 a hallway it happens in anime nobody does it nobody does it japanese people run in hallways

00:09:51.500 and you know what happened to them i don't think anybody's even tested it can you even i don't 0.91

00:09:55.220 think you can yeah well they tried and guess what they got their asses nuked monster kill 0.88

00:10:01.480 yeah exactly we actually nuked them we nuked the japanese because they made anime of people 0.95

00:10:07.440 running through halls tempting god taunting god yeah and and you made a fucking jew become death 0.99

00:10:14.900 to destroy a world he became an in a jew became an indian how about that you wanted gay oppenheimer 0.97

00:10:23.000 and all you got was gay op there it is man that's such a i i like the idea of just a guy who built 0.96

00:10:34.720 a bomb just because he wanted to build a bomb because that actually is how science happens 0.72

00:10:38.280 there is no morality to it there it maybe it could end a war because i don't i don't it would

00:10:44.840 seem kind of insane for him to think that if i build this bomb it'll end the war i don't think

00:10:50.520 he thought that i think if he said that he's lying i think if you build a bomb you have to

00:10:55.580 assume there's going to be lots of them made no one builds a weapon thinking it'll only be fired

00:11:00.700 once and there's another did you wouldn't you wouldn't build in such a way where it could be

00:11:04.780 structured in in a there's another way competing narrative i've heard a few times um again trying

00:11:11.220 to like shift some of the blame away from the states that when they first developed the bomb

00:11:17.740 they had no idea it would be that powerful they wanted something that was more powerful

00:11:21.700 incrementally but they didn't realize it was that powerful and it actually and and this was kind of

00:11:26.660 shifting the blame away from all of the people that died from radiation poisoning during all

00:11:30.120 testing because it's like well look i had no idea that it was going to literally destroy your whole

00:11:34.540 island i didn't know it was that strong so it's either you did know it was that strong which means

00:11:39.540 it was designed to end the war or you didn't know it was that strong so this wasn't designed to end 0.74

00:11:44.860 the war it was designed to escalate it was just as it was just designed to kill a fucking lot of

00:11:50.040 people you honestly didn't know that this would be so powerful that it could actually end the war

00:11:56.120 in a week right so think about that think about if all they actually ever developed was they

00:12:00.820 developed tactical nukes and we just wound up with like an actual nuclear holocaust for a thousand

00:12:06.780 tactical that's how science works people it works by saying like what if we do this thing that's

00:12:12.340 never been done before and we see what happens i think they thought this could end the war

00:12:17.200 or it could be a new war or maybe it does open a portal to some place but we're gonna see there's

00:12:25.720 a scene in the trailer i assume this is in the movie where because it goes through the lead up

00:12:31.160 to testing the bomb and like we need to build a village build a town build it as fast as possible

00:12:36.740 and that's that famous all that footage from the nuclear test and it would be funny if the nuke

00:12:44.520 actually didn't work and it only worked to the test because they built such a shoddy town

00:12:49.080 but they actually drop it on japan and the buildings withstand the fucking fire

00:12:55.320 no you just built that this is a story about how the government built the worst town in history 0.79

00:13:01.520 did you mention to the president that the town was actually a miniature 0.95

00:13:06.340 no don't don't tell him yeah we tried to build it out japanese people that's what they do over 1.00

00:13:12.160 there it's just the story of the worst military on earth they heard japanese people were short 1.00

00:13:17.400 so they built the town like one-tenth scale like they think it's literally like Lilliputian 0.72

00:13:22.460 fucking gay Oppenheimer heard that they're building a town of uh naked Japanese men 0.90

00:13:28.660 please sign me up he just showed up first day and said what am I doing 0.98

00:13:34.140 he did the thing a high school student does it's like uh whatever the opening is I work hard

00:13:42.260 and I show up on time first one in last one out 0.89

00:13:45.100 we got a ground floor opportunity for you here gay oppenheimer see this is how you make oppenheimer

00:13:51.660 a sympathetic character because cillian murphy is a good actor not a sympathetic looking guy

00:13:59.140 no no no no oh so another thing and i didn't have anything prepared for this but uh have you heard

00:14:07.300 that trump is back i just caught some of the clips from the cnn debacle this morning but yeah

00:14:16.320 he's back we're back a triumph for trump and a train wreck for cnn that's what they're calling

00:14:24.580 the trump town hall today it was disgraceful on every level america got to see who he is last

00:14:32.600 A RANTING, RAVING LUNATIC.

00:14:34.600 TRUMP MOCKED WRITER E.G. CAROL WHO JUST THIS WEEK WON A

00:14:37.600 $5 MILLION JUDGMENT AGAINST HIM FOR DEFAMATION AND SEXUAL

00:14:41.600 ASSAULT.

00:14:42.600 I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THE HELL.

00:14:44.600 SHE'S A WHACK JOB.

00:14:46.600 THE MOSTLY REPUBLICAN AUDIENCE LAPPED IT UP. 0.81

00:14:49.600 WHAT KIND OF A WOMAN MEETS SOMEBODY AND BRINGS THEM UP AND 0.56

00:14:52.600 WITHIN MINUTES YOU'RE PLAYING HANKY PANKY IN A DRESSING ROOM, 0.86

00:14:55.600 OKAY?

00:14:56.600 I DON'T KNOW IF SHE WAS MARRIED THEN OR NOT.

00:14:59.600 THINK OF IT.

00:15:00.600 HE MADE FUN OF HER ACCOUNT OF HER SEXUAL ASSAULT.

00:15:05.600 YOU DID NOT TESTIFY IN PERSON IN THIS TRIAL.

00:15:08.600 THERE WAS A TAPE DEPOSITION OF YOU FROM OCTOBER IN IT.

00:15:11.600 YOU DEFENDED THE COMMENTS THAT YOU MADE ON THAT EXCESS HOLLYWOOD 0.52

00:15:14.600 TAPE ABOUT BEING ABLE TO GRAB WOMEN HOW YOU WANT. 0.60

00:15:17.600 DO YOU STAND BY THOSE COMMENTS? 0.55

00:15:18.600 I SAID IF YOU'RE FAMOUS AND RICH OR WHATEVER I SAID,

00:15:21.600 BUT I SAID IF YOU'RE A STAR, YOU ARE, AND I SAID WOMEN LET YOU.

00:15:27.600 let you. I didn't say, you grip. I said, women let. You know, you didn't use that word, but

00:15:32.440 if you look, women let you. Now, they said, will you take that back? I said, look, for

00:15:38.580 a million years, this is the way it's been. I want to be honest. This is the way it's

00:15:42.900 been. I can take it back if you'd like to, but if you're a famous person, if you're a

00:15:48.280 star, and I'm not referring to myself. I'm saying people that are famous, people that

00:15:52.620 are stars, people that are rich, people that are powerful.

00:15:56.440 they tend to do pretty well

00:15:59.000 in a lot of different ways.

00:16:00.620 You held on to those documents when you knew

00:16:02.920 the federal government was seeking them

00:16:04.800 and then had given you a subpoena to return them.

00:16:06.760 Are you ready? Can I talk?

00:16:08.420 Yeah, what's the answer?

00:16:09.860 Do you mind?

00:16:10.920 I would like for you to answer the question.

00:16:11.940 Okay, it's very simple to answer.

00:16:13.180 That's why I asked it.

00:16:14.480 It's very simple to answer.

00:16:15.440 You're a nasty person, I'll tell you.

00:16:19.640 Can you answer why you held on to the documents?

00:16:22.500 I was negotiating and we were talking.

00:16:25.420 You know what?

00:16:26.280 watching that town hall that trump was on and him really running roughshod over the host woman there

00:16:34.440 it for the first time it made me think that maybe the democrats actually want him to run

00:16:41.120 this actually seemed almost too easy as if it were an op i'm not saying it is

00:16:46.920 but i'm like okay at this stage in the game you know trump you know what trump's good at

00:16:54.400 you know what his strengths and his weaknesses are and this was hosted by cnn who hates trump

00:17:00.100 the last thing in the world is they would want to do is give trump a platform and not only did

00:17:07.340 they give him a platform with just him they put him up against just a dumb who gives a fuck woman

00:17:14.200 that's his bread and butter he chews them up and spits them out like this it was such a softball 0.70

00:17:21.480 thing it was almost they were teeing him up to just lay these dunks down i'm like

00:17:27.200 it was this on purpose i don't know why they would do that it just it struck me that this

00:17:32.760 was almost too easy did you get that sense no absolutely especially uh what drove it home for

00:17:39.620 me was the uh what do you call it a debrief or whatever where they pull like nine of the audience

00:17:44.340 members out afterwards and the guys got all these pointed questions like don't you think it's crazy

00:17:49.460 that he was just indicted for rape and here he is laughing about how he raped that poor woman

00:17:56.200 and everyone in the audience is like no we don't think that like it's probably not true but it's

00:18:01.220 like that's you know you know that everybody you pulled out are republican voters and trump

00:18:06.620 supporters obviously they're going to throw it back in your face so yeah and it seems like okay

00:18:11.980 Hey, CNN set this up and allowed this and apparently allowed the audience to be stacked with his most, you know, vibrant supporters, hecklers, even people who are like laughing and clapping.

00:18:26.600 It just seemed like a strange thing for CNN to entertain because they are his number one detractors.

00:18:33.240 You see what I mean?

00:18:33.740 Yeah, I'll say the thing that actually happened could not have happened any other way.

00:18:39.560 and it definitely was whoever set it up they set it up for that purpose there's no fucking way

00:18:45.800 that they put trump live live live yeah in a room right not pre-recorded not edited live in a room 0.78

00:18:55.480 with his own supporters and asked him a bunch of inflammatory questions like there's no way that

00:19:01.600 you did that not knowing that this was going to happen so the question is why like is it because

00:19:07.980 they want to stack him against some democratic head is it because the powers that be want to

00:19:15.380 use another trump term as a pressure release because they realize that we're getting too

00:19:19.660 uppity i don't know but i mean for me it's entertainment i love watching trump it's

00:19:25.940 hilarious i'm so glad it's fucking 2016 again apparently but it's not like it's going to matter

00:19:30.340 any more than 2016 to 2020 did it didn't fucking matter at all well that's that's the thing because 0.88

00:19:34.560 i'm watching it i'm like i enjoy this i'm enjoying this a lot but you people don't give 0.87

00:19:40.260 me anything you only take away things that i like and punish me why are you giving me this

00:19:47.560 why are you watching there's nothing that people like me enjoy more than seeing a a manicured

00:19:55.620 pedicured nice looking woman just get savaged by this this maniac yeah yeah like if they put

00:20:03.180 him up against like an old man or something wouldn't even work it was he put him up against

00:20:06.980 someone a woman and a woman is not emotionally equipped to deal with just the the dump truck

00:20:14.020 that is his personality like he's gonna roll over someone made that call and like that's

00:20:19.600 and also you know keep one thing i kept coming back to and i was reading quite a bit about

00:20:25.540 the surrounding the the town hall because that's what it was it was a town hall wasn't even debate

00:20:30.600 just get him up there and see what happens

00:20:33.420 I'm like what do you think is going to happen

00:20:35.240 amazing hilarious things

00:20:37.480 but then I was thinking

00:20:38.820 this time around

00:20:41.300 it does seem like he's going to run

00:20:43.520 and this goes to your point

00:20:45.560 about a pressure release

00:20:46.580 what are his policies

00:20:48.360 because it seems to me that the only policy

00:20:51.380 that I'm hearing from him is

00:20:53.460 I'm here to own the libs

00:20:55.300 because the first time around he had a lot of policies

00:20:57.400 his policies were going to build

00:20:59.480 the wall i'm gonna repeal obamacare there's a bunch of stuff and he actually did quite a few

00:21:04.140 of them but a lot of the big ones he didn't get to do but at least he had policies the thing he's

00:21:08.440 bringing to the table now is just don't you want to piss the democrats off and that that is what

00:21:14.960 he's saying right so then it's like he getting people excited about a candidate who's as far as

00:21:21.520 i can tell not even saying he's going to work within their interests he's just he's just there

00:21:26.620 as a celebrity it seems does that seem accurate yeah yeah absolutely yeah so that that to me is

00:21:34.360 like okay are we just here because we we miss trump but you know the idea was that they were

00:21:40.000 saying in the town hall like oh would you um pardon some of the january 6 people he's like

00:21:44.900 yeah i would definitely do them like well you didn't and you had the chance already yeah so

00:21:49.740 that ship has sailed like i i don't know who's who's actually being fooled by this you know what

00:21:57.600 i mean i hope i hope it's nobody but i see people that you know i'm surprised how many people i see

00:22:05.720 who are like getting behind i'm like we're gonna get him this time i'm like he's not even promising

00:22:09.400 anything this time from what i can see so who are we getting and what are we getting them with

00:22:14.260 other than wouldn't it be funny that's what this is like wouldn't it be funny if you got voted in

00:22:19.900 again i'm like i i guess but it's also funny that biden's in office it would also be funny if

00:22:26.500 hillary was elected you know a lot of this shit is funny to us so like why that's the white that's

00:22:31.060 the white pill is it doesn't matter beyond this year what happens in american politics it's never

00:22:36.000 not going to be just an absolute riot like it's apparently nobody's capable of running a serious

00:22:41.520 candidate like is there even has there been i can't think of a single serious american politician

00:22:47.160 like maybe a couple of oddball senators that i kind of respect but like most of them are just

00:22:52.220 they're clowns and i love it i just fucking love it because i hate democracy so i love to see it

00:22:57.860 but um yeah it's great i mean i would love to see a hillary presidency that'd be a it'd be great

00:23:03.340 wouldn't it be great if hillary clinton gets elected president and then she gets pregnant

00:23:08.920 oh yes oh yes yeah why that would be great this is all white pills all around for us whoever gets 0.61

00:23:18.540 elected people fucking they're fucking and sucking the gates foundation got her like uh a transplant 0.94

00:23:25.700 womb from like a car crash victim like an 11 year old jewish girl and then this would be great man 0.96

00:23:34.840 i want to i'm gonna write this show i'm gonna i'm gonna i want to be in the elite backroom when

00:23:39.140 they write that election i'm gonna be honest i tuned out for just a moment to look at my coffee

00:23:45.200 when you're saying that and then tune back in i missed the middle part of that but from what i

00:23:49.700 can gather you talk about ron de santis getting a womb transplant yes okay you got that's a great

00:23:56.480 white pills these are rattling the bottle here this this is like the it's terminal cope

00:24:05.000 where everything's going according to plan yeah but i'm glad you brought up the fact that

00:24:10.100 that uh i almost called it a roundhouse the town hall the town hall uh it was a roundhouse kick

00:24:18.060 event it was it was totally policy free it was just uh like a it was just a speaking gig because

00:24:24.840 even if he did have policy and even if he was close to winning we already know what his policy

00:24:30.500 sounded like and we know what his presidency looked like and we know what his behavior was like

00:24:34.560 afterwards and it was shit he did i'm not saying he did nothing he did a lot more than a dem would

00:24:40.100 have done but i mean he probably did like maybe a third if i'm being really generous of the things

00:24:46.020 that he promised and a lot of the major stuff that people elected him for remained unfinished

00:24:50.580 and he was a big fucking friend to israel the whole time start to finish he never even denied

00:24:55.520 that and more importantly after he was gone absolutely no support for the people who stuck

00:25:01.740 their fucking necks out many of whom went to federal prison for him so yeah honestly like

00:25:07.900 again hilarious i would love to see him elected it would be a it'd be a big laugh but if you're 0.92

00:25:13.760 this is the same thing i said about i'm still saying it but nick fuentes and about that fucking 0.99

00:25:19.020 nigger kanye like stop throwing your hat in with these people yeah it's great when they do cool 0.99

00:25:23.760 stuff let's see him do a cool thing right jump dog jump but come on like he's not he's not our guy 0.99

00:25:29.500 well that's the funny it's time for the debrief of the kanye west phenomena it's like that the

00:25:36.540 thing happened that we were happy about we had like the most popular what one of the most popular

00:25:43.220 like it'd be him and like taylor swift or ed sheeran like one of them comes out with all of

00:25:48.820 your anti-semitic talking points and he blasts them to the mainstream media we got every dog

00:25:55.180 has his day that was our day what happened well nothing happened really okay so i guess we got

00:26:01.520 to move on you know i mean because the idea was like if we could red pill the nation that's as

00:26:05.400 like honestly that's as close to like a red pilling as you could get people were given the red pill

00:26:11.620 how many just vomited back up most of them okay so i guess we need a new thing right

00:26:17.600 well he backed he backed up from it too didn't he like yeah i remember he was posting some shit

00:26:22.620 about like oh i don't hate jews anymore because i watched a great jew yeah some dumb shit but

00:26:27.120 but that is what happens it's like but that there was like a month like a solid month or maybe even 0.73

00:26:32.120 at least a month where he was letting america marinate in it he had like the most the the

00:26:37.740 talking points that our guys come up with yeah and he exposed the nation to it there wasn't any

00:26:43.740 there wasn't anyone in america that didn't know what he was saying and have an opinion on it and

00:26:49.160 then he ended up walking it back and so i'm like okay well that's that's as massive a red pilling

00:26:53.740 as you're going to get and then nothing happens so i guess you need a new thing because it red

00:26:58.520 pilling isn't it i don't know there's got to be a new thing that's that's neat so then let's just

00:27:03.340 leave that where it is are we at least allowed to piss heavily on the next guy who does the same

00:27:09.420 thing because we can't honestly and maybe the next generation can be fooled by it but at least

00:27:14.260 in our generation we should not be thrilled at the prospect of the next celebrity who goes off

00:27:20.640 reservation for three weeks and then turns back around again because we know where it gets you

00:27:24.420 it is very entertaining but it the the ground gained measurably is zero it might be something

00:27:30.960 but from where i'm standing it's fucking zero because any benefit that we got from marinating 0.80

00:27:35.880 the conversation for three four weeks was also lost by the damage to the credibility of the 0.98

00:27:41.780 discussion because he's pants on head retarded he's walking around in galoshes and a hood 0.94

00:27:46.620 over his face right like he looks like a balenciaga rapist and he's crazy and there's a whole thing 0.86

00:27:52.560 about him on his pills and his schizophrenia which is public so i think you had made a good point

00:27:57.100 where no ground was gained or lost because some people were saying him saying all this stuff is

00:28:02.820 going to make it harder for us to have our we're going to have our free speech taken well that

00:28:07.860 didn't happen either nothing positive yeah nor negative happened actually nothing happened it's

00:28:13.640 remained stable it was a it was a nothing burger as they say so yeah and that's that's i did i

00:28:20.120 expected something to happen but i mean i honestly i was hopeful i was hopeful that there would be

00:28:25.640 some lasting outcome from it seems like there was actually nothing and any look at this way i think

00:28:32.400 if there's any political fallout that still could be coming down the pipe just because it takes so

00:28:37.360 fucking long like i don't know something to do with hate speech laws um maybe maybe there is

00:28:44.480 actually a long-term negative impact that we just haven't realized yet i'm hoping that not we had 0.85

00:28:49.400 one group saying it's going to be doomsday we had another group saying it's going to be boobs day

00:28:54.800 but what it ended up being was wednesday amazing wow wow wow you got him okay hold on a second i

00:29:04.860 gotta heat up my coffee give me two seconds okay i didn't really want to talk that much about trump

00:29:10.520 but it's hard not to get sucked into that vortex i guess yeah so one thing i wanted to talk about

00:29:16.500 So I guess this is going to be another crimes chat.

00:29:20.840 Yes.

00:29:21.340 So the big news of the past few days was this story of Jordan Neely,

00:29:29.500 who is the black guy who was choked out on a subway.

00:29:33.840 You heard about that story?

00:29:34.980 Yeah. Oh, yeah.

00:29:35.820 The Marine veteran seen on a video placing a homeless man in a chokehold on the subway

00:29:41.900 will be charged in this case on Friday.

00:29:44.540 The Manhattan District Attorney confirmed to CBS News Daniel Penney will be arrested for second-degree manslaughter.

00:29:51.640 He is expected to turn himself in.

00:29:54.060 The death of 30-year-old Jordan Neely led to protests calling for Penney to be held accountable.

00:30:00.940 Outraged protesters caused chaos on the New York City subway system over the death of a one-time Michael Jackson impersonator.

00:30:08.840 There were 13 arrests as they climbed into the tracks inches from the electrified third

00:30:16.500 rail.

00:30:17.500 Look at this guy.

00:30:19.000 He's jumping up and down.

00:30:20.960 And you can see the lights of a train in the tunnel.

00:30:24.240 This assembly is unlawful, you are ordered to disperse.

00:30:28.480 Transit officials are calling the actions reckless and dangerous.

00:30:32.860 And we're learning more about the homeless man, 30-year-old Jordan Neely, and the U.S.

00:30:37.960 Marine veteran who put him in that deadly chokehold.

00:30:41.900 What are your thoughts on that?

00:30:43.660 What are your takeaways?

00:30:44.560 I think,

00:30:44.880 I think I can predict what your takeaway is.

00:30:47.460 And I mean,

00:30:48.200 I'm not saying good forever.

00:30:51.040 I'm not,

00:30:51.800 I'm not off the reservation on this.

00:30:53.700 I mean,

00:30:53.900 this is kind of what everybody else is saying.

00:30:55.700 It's some,

00:30:56.260 it's a white guy kills a savage black and couldn't, 0.82

00:31:00.020 could not have come any sooner.

00:31:02.740 And,

00:31:03.280 and now he's going to prison.

00:31:04.900 It's just,

00:31:05.560 it's Floyd all over again. 0.99

00:31:07.200 hey it's uh there's a common theme here of black people not knowing how to breathe right 0.98

00:31:13.580 yeah so weird right you know what i mean it's like and and they are getting into the exact 0.96

00:31:19.060 same stuff like with derek joven where it's like oh well maybe but that hole shouldn't have killed

00:31:24.380 him but maybe he was trying to kill him but no he was just trying to knock him out and i'm still

00:31:28.240 over here like why wasn't he trying to kill him you should kill him i'm glad he's dead we should

00:31:32.960 kill we should kill everybody like that shouldn't we come on well because if this is what community

00:31:37.820 policing is like if that's thank you oh yeah let's talk about community fucking policing like

00:31:43.200 you have dudes on the subway harassing women and like fucking raping people and it's like he didn't

00:31:49.180 at that moment he what he didn't just kill somebody but like it's what is in new york right

00:31:55.620 like how many times a week does some poor woman get raped and murdered on the subway it's like

00:32:00.660 twice a fucking week and it's almost always by a so maybe we should actually just take uppity 0.91

00:32:07.460 and throw them on the fucking tracks i'm just saying man i'm just fucking saying this is one 0.93

00:32:13.680 of those things where they were really trying to muscle and strong-arm people into giving a shit 0.90

00:32:18.920 about this story because a lot of the people the story was that this guy who was insane and making 0.58

00:32:24.760 threats and saying i have nothing to live for i have nothing to lose i'm gonna he's kind of a

00:32:30.640 announcing and telegraphing that he's going to attack everyone in his vicinity which is why this

00:32:36.100 veteran i believe he's a marine veteran decided to him and two other people decided to

00:32:42.960 restrain him which is what you're supposed to like otherwise how do you restrain you know

00:32:47.440 not to get off into a whole tangent here but this is like if that's how you restrain someone then

00:32:52.340 how do you do it do you have do you need to get four people to like hold his arms and legs like

00:32:56.520 a starfish or something usually the choke hold is the way you do it but anyway uh the the way

00:33:02.480 the reason they couldn't get a lot of people on board with this is because so many people have

00:33:05.580 gone through this scenario and were living vicariously through this because they deep down

00:33:10.960 they've always wanted these types even if it's not a race thing like remove race from it how many

00:33:15.800 people have seen i think i've wanted to see a vagrant choke to death so i deal with this every

00:33:21.280 day yeah women especially like i wonder this is okay so the funny thing that i noticed was 0.60

00:33:28.000 there was this um i forget the show but sam cedar's show and there's his co-host a woman

00:33:35.040 and this is kind of a notorious clip that was going around where what a lot of leftists and

00:33:39.940 progressives are doing is trying to excuse it like this guy overreacted who gives a shit you

00:33:45.500 know you live in this city you're going to meet a bunch of crazy people and she was and this is

00:33:50.240 what a lot of leftists and progressives will do they'll

00:33:52.200 trot out their story this is the only way they

00:33:54.240 can seem tough

00:33:55.260 the only way progressive or leftist can seem tough

00:33:58.360 is if they have a story where they

00:34:00.240 took a lot of abuse and just weathered

00:34:02.400 it because they're they're good 0.95

00:34:04.120 fucking persons 0.88

00:34:05.300 so she was telling a story where she's like 0.81

00:34:08.080 you know this happened to me on a subway you know

00:34:10.120 there was a guy having a mental health crisis

00:34:12.060 and he was sitting beside me he started hitting

00:34:14.220 me and threatening me and it never

00:34:16.260 crossed my mind to

00:34:17.640 restrain him because that would be making it about me i i was hit at one point sitting on the subway

00:34:24.220 by a man who was having a mental health episode he sat next to me and he was elbowing and kind

00:34:28.640 of flailing around and hit me in the face and in my body and i it was jarring right um the idea

00:34:34.960 that i i would want him to be hurt in any way i just didn't want to be near him in that moment

00:34:40.780 because i understood something was going on here but like my fear is not the primary primary uh

00:34:47.420 object of like what we should be focusing on right now it's the fact that this person is in pain um

00:34:53.420 and so like the politics of dehumanization privileges the the bourgeois kind of concern

00:35:01.260 of people's like immediate discomfort in this narrow narrow instance as opposed to larger 0.52

00:35:07.580 humanity and life it's really freaking twisted the other side of this is like how many women

00:35:14.260 watched this happen and felt safe on the subway for the first time ever because i don't know what

00:35:20.000 it's like to be a woman but i i would imagine if you're a woman you deal with these psychos every

00:35:24.360 day and if you actually have lived in a city for those who haven't in a large metropolitan area

00:35:30.320 homeless people if they get a sense that they run the show they will get in your face they will

00:35:35.520 like molest people in public if they feel like they get away with it and that's probably happened

00:35:40.080 to a lot of women so deep down there must be i don't know how many women were watching this

00:35:44.680 fucking guy get choked out thinking thank god someone's doing something about this yeah but

00:35:51.660 also does this they were trying to paint it's very hard to paint this guy like every time a young 0.82

00:35:57.740 black guy gets killed they have to have like the graduation photo they have to have a story about

00:36:03.220 his hobbies. This guy

00:36:05.240 was way too old for any of that. He was just

00:36:07.340 like an old piece of shit.

00:36:09.240 So that'd be like, well, he was

00:36:10.460 a Michael Jackson impersonator.

00:36:13.800 First of all, Michael

00:36:15.260 Jackson's stock is pretty low

00:36:17.280 right now, too, by the way.

00:36:21.200 That would be the equivalent, and that's

00:36:22.980 a thing black guys can do. White guys can't do that.

00:36:25.320 The equivalent for a white guy would be a Roman Polanski

00:36:27.500 impersonator.

00:36:30.180 You're not getting a lot

00:36:31.280 of sympathy for that.

00:36:33.220 elvis is the only guy i think you're allowed to impersonate where you won't get canceled for

00:36:37.740 these days the the and i before we move on from that too there's a difference between i am a

00:36:43.000 michael jackson impersonator i'll be performing at 7 p.m at jimmy's and cover is free if you buy a

00:36:49.540 beer uh there's a difference between that and i'm an i'm a michael jackson impersonator on a busy

00:36:55.820 commuter subway line stepping on people's toes pissing them off frightening them like i don't 0.60

00:37:01.200 Nick don't seem to understand that when you act like a fucking gorilla, it doesn't matter who 0.85

00:37:06.280 you're dressed up as. People don't like it. And we're so far beyond that understanding of

00:37:11.840 civility of civilization that people don't even bat an eye. Now we're talking about whether it's

00:37:17.860 okay to offend yourself when he tries to fucking rape you, right? Nevermind that the guy dancing

00:37:24.700 and swinging off the bars, like a literal ape on a commuter subway car, a crowded car should be

00:37:30.520 have the shit kicked out of him just for doing that just for playing his radio too loud but we're

00:37:36.360 we can't even talk about that like we're so many levels above it that it's actually him being this

00:37:42.380 noisy rambunctious gorilla is actually the positive thing the other side of the card that

00:37:48.380 they want to show to prop this fucker up so that we don't know he was actually like a stinky

00:37:53.840 violent vagrant it's so crazy you know a lot of people in our scene they have that line of what

00:38:00.220 if the races were reversed you know what if this happened if something happened to a white guy

00:38:05.080 could you imagine what would happen if that was black i would like to employ the same thing here

00:38:09.600 imagine if this man i'd say this to all the leftists and progressives who are saying all

00:38:15.560 he was was a poor michael jackson impersonator like imagine if he was white imagine if a white

00:38:22.340 guy came on the subway dressed like michael jackson and did a fucking dance in front of you 0.86

00:38:27.180 and introduced a new problem to your day,

00:38:30.220 you would love to see that guy choke to death.

00:38:33.100 Yeah.

00:38:34.560 Switch the races. 0.72

00:38:35.680 Like imagine a white guy comes on the subway 0.66

00:38:38.340 with a bunch of magic tricks.

00:38:41.040 Yeah.

00:38:41.340 Tell me you don't want Derek Chauvin

00:38:42.640 to choke the life out of him.

00:38:44.140 Yes, you do.

00:38:44.880 So just introduce that to them.

00:38:47.140 And anyways, to be clear,

00:38:48.140 I'm not sure if you'd mentioned this yet,

00:38:49.340 but he was doing the Michael Jackson impersonations

00:38:52.240 like 10 years ago.

00:38:53.420 He hasn't done that in a decade.

00:38:54.740 he's now just a vagrant who harasses people he's just like a sack cloth wearing you know piss stained

00:39:01.440 vagrant threatening people for money and he's been doing that for many many years they found 0.57

00:39:06.820 an old cell phone photo of him from like 2012 of him dressed up as michael jackson that's the best

00:39:13.440 they could find that's their version of the graduation it's like the trayvon martin astronaut

00:39:17.140 thing and it's like what like how you're really really reaching with this shit i was laughing at

00:39:23.840 the idea of uh you know there was the the guy who was restraining him had him in the chokehold

00:39:29.120 was a you know a veteran a marine veteran i believe pretty young guy from the looks of it

00:39:35.280 and that became part of the story too i think they were trying to imply that like he was a

00:39:40.640 more prone to violence or something i don't think he was i think he was he would be more

00:39:45.100 professional about it but i just had drained yeah but then just imagining one of us in the

00:39:51.660 background playing the platoon soundtrack trying to trigger a ptsd flashback and have them just

00:39:58.140 snap and kill the black guy like they're trying to inspire veterans to just snap and kill these guys

00:40:06.600 um but the the funny thing about there is a rhetorical opportunity in all this which is 0.85

00:40:14.460 why i brought it up now we can laugh about this because make no mistake this is funny

00:40:19.820 this is you know use their language against them hey play stupid games win stupid prizes

00:40:26.020 because that's what they'll say what they'll say is um you know the left is the progressives the

00:40:29.980 antifa a lot of the libs will say like yes he was crazy yes he was maybe he was threatening people

00:40:35.940 but does that mean he deserved to die and you know the language there is very specific i'm like

00:40:43.180 well i don't think most people deserve to die when they do something that causes them to die

00:40:48.680 like for example if you go what's that like a free rock climbing free diving you know let's

00:40:55.500 see you're doing free diving where you dive as deep as you possibly can with no air tank and then

00:41:00.140 you drown did that person deserve to die no i don't well i don't think rock climbers deserve

00:41:06.620 to die but it's kind of a metaphysical question i do actually think that for example the guys that

00:41:11.540 do like the the freewheeling biking down the cliff of the mountain and sometimes just fall off

00:41:16.320 I think you, you do deserve to die in the sense that a gambler deserves to lose his money, right? You know what I mean? Like I deserve to live because I don't take risks daily, which put my life in jeopardy. You deserve to die, which is to say you get what you deserve. You get, you get what you pay for. So if you, you daily for kicks, put your life in jeopardy and one day you die, it's not a tragedy. You literally, you killed yourself. Like it was a suicide.

00:41:43.560 well the only the only reason i because deserve to me implies almost a moral dimension to it where

00:41:48.640 it's like that's what you should get but to me it's like you increase the likelihood but it's

00:41:53.360 more of just mathematics it's just like this this is a crazy guy behaving in a crazy way

00:41:58.700 he got restrained it just so happened that that restraint occurred at the wrong place at the wrong

00:42:04.740 time or something something happened where it shouldn't have happened but it did but that's 1.00

00:42:08.840 that's just what happens you know what i mean like like most of the the black people who get

00:42:13.780 killed by police i'm like well you were like wrestling for the gun did he deserve to die no 0.63

00:42:19.180 but like i'm not surprised and i would apply that to anyone really but that's the only thing they

00:42:27.600 can bring to the table they can really do deserve to die i'm like well kind of i guess that's where

00:42:31.980 i'm coming at with you i'm like yeah kind of i guess like does a gambler deserve to lose his

00:42:36.220 money well insofar as like he wouldn't have lost his money if he never gambled right you know i

00:42:41.760 mean it's like he put himself in a situation some sometimes bad shit happens there's some special

00:42:46.280 third thing that maybe there's no word for it or i'm just missing it but it's like if you you if

00:42:51.340 you don't say they deserved it then you're putting them on par with the people who really don't 0.70

00:42:56.100 deserve it like the fucking rest of us right like i really don't deserve to be choked out on a subway 0.87

00:43:01.220 does he deserve to be choked out on a subway well he's a guy on a subway who's he's on the subway 0.96

00:43:06.420 way more often than me he doesn't shower he harasses strangers talks about how he wants to

00:43:11.140 die has nothing to live for and how he's going to rape everyone in the car so does he deserve to die

00:43:16.200 maybe there's a sliding scale and he's closer way closer to the yes end of that question than

00:43:22.180 the average person yeah it's like you know do you deserve to die let's say no but if someone came to

00:43:30.760 me and desperately wanted not to die i would not recommend that they do that thing yeah no i mean

00:43:39.060 like that let we can lawyer a nice sentence there but i'm like if if i had someone who 100 was

00:43:44.400 certain they didn't want to get choked to death the first thing i would tell them not to do is

00:43:49.180 go on a crowded subway and threaten everyone and if someone does that i'm not surprised that they

00:43:53.760 did die and it's it's completely unemotional and we may or may not say you fucking deserve that

00:43:59.800 yeah and then but there is a more of a rhetorical opportunity because i i think the fun thing we can

00:44:08.020 do is really drive a wedge between progressives and regular people because they often talk

00:44:16.420 themselves into these quagmires where they become sort of mental illness defenders or mental illness

00:44:21.920 tolerators and crime defenders you know so these are the same the same people defending this guy

00:44:28.740 The same people who defended the BLM riots, the same people who defend any antisocial or criminal behavior that usually results in death, right?

00:44:38.240 And then like the co-host of the Sam Seder show, like saying, well, I put up with crime all the time. 0.81

00:44:44.040 And people, white people and Jews in like urban centers love doing this. 0.76

00:44:49.440 Like it's kind of a badge of honor, the bullshit they have to put up with. 0.88

00:44:53.400 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:44:53.720 like i i guess what i put up with the blm rights and i didn't complain because that's part and 0.99

00:44:59.160 parcel living in a big city and that's that makes them feel good but then regular people

00:45:04.940 even across races like hispanics feel this way too like no one likes crime no one likes insane 0.89

00:45:12.040 people so if you stake a claim of saying it's your moral right to put up with insane people 0.90

00:45:18.800 i think you lose most of the population if you make them really own that yeah it's a hard sell

00:45:24.300 it's a hard sell like it's much easier to get people on your side by saying you know what

00:45:27.860 somebody harasses you in public you don't deserve that that's not fair like this is you don't have

00:45:35.240 to sell that everybody agrees with that like i don't know how they even got to the point where 0.87

00:45:39.760 they can sell this idea that you know like what was the one that fucking i forget the jew comedian 0.78

00:45:45.100 who was joking about how oh you got your car robbed i had my car robbed nine times yeah nine 0.93

00:45:51.000 times i lived in the first year in la it's like are you bragging about how often your car was

00:45:55.780 robbed it's like this is this is like people who like brag about paying their taxes because

00:46:00.820 they're contributing to society like i don't i don't understand there's so many layers of like

00:46:06.180 brainwashing for you to get that far down the hole so what they do and they do this in a lot

00:46:11.160 of these cases where they did it almost in almost every case where a white person gets in trouble

00:46:16.660 for how they behave towards a black person the line is always that you're a weak piece of shit

00:46:24.040 for even caring so like if if a black person is doing something antisocial there's something

00:46:31.100 wrong with you if you call the cops there's something wrong with you if you don't like the 0.74

00:46:36.060 that the woman who birthed the karen meme she felt uncomfortable around a black guy it's like 0.80

00:46:42.720 well now she's like a dumb bitch for feeling uncomfortable you know i mean so it's like 0.76

00:46:47.140 that's how it starts by by them upset that you're not tolerating abuse and they'll phrase it in a 0.94

00:46:55.480 certain way where it doesn't seem like that's what they're doing but i think the opportunity

00:46:58.980 for people on our side especially if these are kind of low-hanging fruit people these are

00:47:03.520 journalists and podcasters but i'm like i think there's an opportunity where you have to force

00:47:07.980 them to own the fact that they want you to tolerate abuse they want you to tolerate the

00:47:13.960 mental illness angles a bit harder because no one wants to demonize mentally ill but like

00:47:19.060 they're trying to normalize you being abused and you feeling unsafe and if you feel unsafe and

00:47:25.520 complain about there's something wrong with you and i think that's probably the biggest opportunity

00:47:29.420 to make them really own that.

00:47:31.620 And that will completely separate them

00:47:33.540 from the rest of society.

00:47:35.640 And I think if we can find new ways

00:47:38.220 to make them own accepting crime,

00:47:42.160 because you'll hear,

00:47:42.860 I've heard that over the years,

00:47:44.000 like every so often some anarchists

00:47:45.580 will bubble through

00:47:46.340 and some progressives will be like,

00:47:48.920 yeah, but you know,

00:47:49.520 crime's kind of cool, isn't it?

00:47:50.980 I'm like, no, I want that to,

00:47:53.420 I want that to bubble to the surface

00:47:55.080 of your policy position.

00:47:56.400 And I think it won't take a lot

00:47:58.440 to get that to a boil

00:48:00.240 where they're saying there's something wrong

00:48:02.860 with anyone who doesn't like

00:48:04.780 crime.

00:48:06.620 Basically, right?

00:48:08.180 Because they'll frame it in an anti-capitalist sense.

00:48:11.720 That's the core

00:48:12.720 of every time they're like, oh, you care a lot

00:48:14.580 about property. You care more about property

00:48:16.940 than human life.

00:48:18.540 It's them trying to excuse theft.

00:48:21.040 Make them be more blamed that they

00:48:22.620 try to get you used to more

00:48:24.620 crime. And then I think that's how

00:48:26.560 you win against a lot of them, frankly.

00:48:28.440 and that's that means that you don't you are not on the back heel you're not on in the position

00:48:34.300 where you need to propose what to do about crime you don't need because they're going to try and

00:48:38.560 make you feel extreme like oh what's your position to deal with crime i'm like well let's re-pivot

00:48:42.980 the conversation what do you want to do about crime and that's frankly what made trump so

00:48:48.160 popular at the start because as outlandish as his build the wall speech was and that goal

00:48:55.560 that was the only solution to the border problem and we talked about this on the show i saw

00:49:01.760 interviews like nancy pelosi and other people were there like okay so what do you want to do

00:49:06.500 about the illegal immigration problem and they would all say well we actually don't need walls

00:49:10.800 we need more bridges so like oh you don't even have a solution like when pressed you have zero 0.82

00:49:16.500 solutions to the the illegal immigration problem because everyone regular people don't like legal

00:49:22.840 immigration and they're hoping that like the democrats the progressives aren't you know

00:49:27.440 grilled on that to reveal that they actually want to bring more in but once they do

00:49:31.400 then you get a trump elected then you get like your guy in but you have to like make them show

00:49:37.780 their hand anyway i'm just harping on the point here i also had the idea that maybe i don't know

00:49:43.820 how we would do this is there a way to hire black people to be like our bodyguards to get into 0.78

00:49:51.700 fights for us you know what i mean like because no one would give a shit if it was like a black

00:49:58.500 veteran who did this i don't think really right but so is there a way like how much 0.72

00:50:03.580 am i it might be talking my way into getting slaves going again but i think that's like a

00:50:09.740 natural relationship for white people and black people like i think they it's it's not slavery

00:50:15.100 if you're paid for it did you watch the third season of um uh westworld no no i uh i tapped

00:50:24.040 out the beginning of of season two what happened so it was bad but anyway so they're in this city

00:50:29.780 and one of the the themes in the first half of it is there's an app and the app is like an

00:50:35.800 underground drug and crime app for criminals and bad people and um so it's like uh it's like escrow

00:50:44.400 where you can sign up for jobs like it's the gig economy for criminals for bodyguards and for hits

00:50:49.780 and drugs and whatever anyways it turns out afterwards that it's actually owned by the

00:50:54.860 corporation that runs the city so that they can they actually know where all of the criminals are

00:50:59.820 and can control who has how much money at what time so essentially it's actually the way of

00:51:04.440 dealing with crime is paying all of the criminals to commit crime but you're controlling when and

00:51:10.120 where it happens and how much they're paid for it so i just thought that was yeah possibly could

00:51:16.520 be real why not why couldn't you do that and the thing is they're most of them are dumb enough to

00:51:21.700 do it i think i don't think and this will sound ridiculous but i kind of believe it's true i don't

00:51:27.620 think it's that difficult to get our opponents to talk themselves into a quagmire where they do

00:51:34.420 something like that where they become the cheerleaders of crime like for example a lot of

00:51:40.300 people are getting very upset at elon musk on twitter because he's open i don't know what his

00:51:46.960 game is um because he's not a a foreigner to the internet right but there's people on twitter

00:51:54.620 doing the 13 to 50 crime statistics about black crime and about rape and interracial rape and 0.65

00:52:02.860 stuff like that and um some covid stuff too but he's like replying to them i think ian miles chong

00:52:08.540 was doing it and and elon musk is doing well those statistics can't be real are they and i don't know

00:52:14.400 if he's playing dumb you know what i mean he might be he might actually not know these statistics

00:52:20.260 but um one thing i'm doing is like so so many people are pissed off at elon musk for doing that

00:52:26.080 like i actually don't think it would be that hard to get his detractors to admit that these

00:52:33.800 statistics are real and that that's a good thing yeah you know i mean like i i think there's a 0.82

00:52:40.440 pretty short path to get a lot of the progressives and leftists to admit that interracial crime

00:52:45.420 statistics are what they are because right for a long time they're trying to ignore it but they

00:52:49.160 can't ignore it anymore i think they'll because they kind of admit to everything else like that's

00:52:53.460 just part and parcel they'll say guess what yeah black people do commit disproportionate amount of 1.00

00:52:58.440 crime and that's a good thing i think you could do that i think you get them to do that to spite 1.00

00:53:03.220 elon musk that's how easy it is to get them to do this sir what were you saying no i mean i think

00:53:08.400 that it's doable and i i think it would be as as simple as what do you call that like uh

00:53:15.000 there's a word for it but i forget essentially make false social media accounts pretending to

00:53:21.640 be them and just keep putting it out there until it gains traction and somebody starts running with

00:53:25.880 it because with all of this stuff they they only each one of them wants to be more extreme than

00:53:30.520 the next that's how they get their kicks right so you could you could probably get a ball rolling 0.97

00:53:34.500 on that like actually the statistics are true and it's because i don't know it's because uh blacks 1.00

00:53:41.040 deserve reparations and if they're not going to get it they deserve to take it which is why violent 0.94

00:53:45.860 black crime is actually a good thing it's actually nature healing or you know you could why not 0.97

00:53:51.620 you know it's internally consistent from their perspective yeah i think you could by the end 0.89

00:53:56.680 this year you can get them to just like celebrate black crime and then and then the question is what

00:54:02.380 we do then you know does that actually benefit us at all because like the kanye west thing i'm like 0.67

00:54:07.360 if we get everything we want and then nothing happens well then we just we're in a worse

00:54:14.440 position than before i think and i will try i will tiptoe by which i'm i'm not actually going

00:54:20.020 tiptoe but i'm just acknowledging that i should but i'm not going to the uh what you do is after

00:54:24.980 after you get them saying that then you make them go even harder and then you make them start

00:54:30.160 protesting against us and then our guys go and beat up their guys and our guys go to federal

00:54:34.900 prison which pisses off more people which causes that anyways you just snowball it until there's

00:54:38.800 a lot of violence i think it'd be great because that's kind of like where else does this end

00:54:43.040 it's not like it's going to go backwards so i think one of the things we have to do is just

00:54:48.260 confuse them so much that we're allowed to do our own thing over here like for example recently

00:54:55.120 there was that uh hispanic gentleman who shot up a mall you might be hearing about this yes and and

00:55:02.060 he was the story you know days and days later i think they've settled on it is that he is some

00:55:11.240 kind of white supremacist this community is still trying to make sense of the senseless

00:55:17.080 after a mass shooting that killed and injured so many.

00:55:21.280 Four of the victims were from a single family.

00:55:24.380 Three-year-old James Cho was killed along with his parents, Cindy and Q.

00:55:29.340 Six-year-old William was injured but survived.

00:55:31.960 It was scary. I mean, anybody would be scared when they hear gunshots

00:55:35.320 and they just don't know what's going on.

00:55:37.540 The shooting happened at an outlet mall Saturday

00:55:40.460 when police say 33-year-old Mauricio Garcia opened fire

00:55:45.240 with a high-powered assault rifle.

00:55:48.080 The gunman was killed by a police officer

00:55:50.300 who happened to be at the mall and ran toward the gunshots.

00:55:54.300 I never imagined in 100 years I would be thrust into the position

00:55:57.540 of being the first responder on the site to take care of people.

00:56:01.580 No one can see what they saw today and not be affected by it.

00:56:05.820 Sibley says DPS can confirm Garcia had what he called neo-Nazi ideation.

00:56:10.820 He had patches, he had tattoos.

00:56:13.900 Even his signature verified that.

00:56:16.720 This is a photo of the swastika tattoos on Garcia's chest and arm.

00:56:21.340 The WFAA investigates team has been pouring through a social media account

00:56:25.100 that law enforcement officials confirmed investigators are also reviewing.

00:56:29.340 The posts show three years worth of racist rants and Nazi images.

00:56:33.980 We are choosing not to show the post because the author wrote about being inspired by other mass shooters.

00:56:39.400 I know the FBI and the Texas Rangers are looking into that, and that's another part of the investigation we're looking at.

00:56:45.960 In Texas, I'm looking at AP News right now.

00:56:49.720 It says, source, investigators examine ideology of Texas gunmen. 0.95

00:56:55.640 And let's forget for a second that we had a tranny shoot up a school, and they almost don't even want to admit that there's a manifesto. 0.97

00:57:02.660 We actually have the motive for that, and they're not telling us. 1.00

00:57:06.400 but here they're gonna be like we need to figure out what this is um and uh there's rumors that

00:57:13.260 this guy was a white supremacist he had like swastikas all over him um there's this one line

00:57:18.440 here from the ap article i found amusing it says allen police chief brian harvey declines

00:57:24.140 declined sunday evening to answer questions from the ap saying of the investigation we actually

00:57:29.940 don't have a lot so this is them admitting like we're trying to figure out what it was

00:57:35.300 and you know there's this other article here from the uh independence um elon musk once again is at

00:57:41.940 the headline here it says elon musk appears to entertain conspiracy theory that texas mall

00:57:47.740 shooting was a psyop um and he's responding to ian miles chong here um who at on twitter at

00:57:56.400 still gray as email chong's uh handle he had said the alleged shooters

00:58:01.320 the alleged shooter's alleged profile come on and claims that he was inspired by libs of tiktok

00:58:09.800 between this and the tim pool references this thing is suspect where is his twitter account

00:58:14.780 why was he using a russian social media site to write what was essentially a diary to zero

00:58:20.440 followers elon musk responds this gets weirder by the moment just remarking that you know this

00:58:26.100 guy appears to

00:58:28.180 have been quote unquote radicalized

00:58:30.120 by the libs of TikTok

00:58:31.960 account and Tim Poole

00:58:33.540 which is something that an Antifa

00:58:35.860 person would say

00:58:36.960 like literally no one's

00:58:39.900 radicalized by Tim Poole that doesn't make any sense

00:58:42.200 but if you were like

00:58:43.740 Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

00:58:45.520 that makes perfect sense

00:58:46.960 if you live in a 1.00

00:58:49.240 hollow Hispanic skull 1.00

00:58:51.340 this makes perfect sense that libs of TikTok 0.99

00:58:53.840 you know that would

00:58:55.560 it would only make sense if you were saying libs radicalized them yeah if libs of tiktok is just

00:59:03.620 showing libs on tiktok then it would follow that libs have radicalized this guy if that were true

00:59:10.680 anyway that's all he was saying was this thing is is highly suspect and you know i it's still

00:59:17.600 early days i suppose i agree it does seem suspicious i can't really make heads or tails

00:59:21.820 of this but there is a social implication here that um here's uh here's the headline from axios

00:59:33.640 texas mall shooter among growing number of hispanic white supremacists and this has been

00:59:40.040 the second headline that i've seen a lot of which is journalists basically saying that oh yeah

00:59:45.540 hispanics can be white supremacists in fact hispanics are the most white supremacist of the 0.67

00:59:50.480 all and i'm like we're really just letting we're accepting that they're they're full-throated 0.99

00:59:56.840 saying that i'm like what are the social implications of white supremacy no longer

01:00:03.060 being about white people i really think we need to step back and realize that we've almost removed

01:00:09.620 white people from what white supremacy is because there's so many white people who don't want to be 0.66

01:00:14.700 white supremacists so they've removed themselves but now even black intelligentsia have made white 0.76

01:00:20.000 supremacy this other thing that's like showing up on time is white supremacy math is white 0.78

01:00:26.000 supremacist so like what are the implications of white supremacy no longer being really tethered

01:00:31.000 to white people even the the recent uh police killing where they're like five black cops beat

01:00:37.500 a black guy to death and they're like even though the cops were black their actions were a result

01:00:43.400 of systemic white supremacy like so the point is this story is already out there and it's funny

01:00:49.000 because a minute ago you're talking about um the idea of making them own up to racial crime

01:00:56.940 statistics maybe this is their kind of a counter that they could use it's like well you know

01:01:02.440 hispanic crime and gang related shit down south is bad but also it's white people's fault but also

01:01:09.340 it's actually you know like ms ms 13 that's a white supremacist group so um actually we're just

01:01:15.120 fighting we're fighting domestic terror and white supremacists when we stop like guatemalan

01:01:19.920 heroin traffickers yeah it just seemed like such a i don't know if we can do this but 0.95

01:01:27.280 would it be possible to make hispanic people the primary purveyors of white supremacy

01:01:33.760 and let the other actual white supremacists kind of sneak under the radar and do something else 0.63

01:01:39.400 over here you know what i mean like let them let let them follow the logic of that they say

01:01:44.600 actually you know some of the most like nick fuentes he's hispanic he's the biggest anti-semite

01:01:50.760 white supremacist out there i'm like sure let's let's go with that let's go with that let's go 0.84

01:01:56.160 with let's go with most white supremacists are hispanic and that's a problem and let's go down 0.69

01:02:02.500 that path all the way to the end because then maybe that allows white people to kind of leave

01:02:07.020 out the back because now you're almost introducing a mind virus and you're riding on the wave of the

01:02:12.240 fact that they've redefined white supremacy to mean a whole bunch of other stuff that isn't

01:02:16.920 actually like the kkk or nazis white supremacy is now like a math test or something i don't think

01:02:24.620 that i don't think that takes the boot off of our neck though like it just adds it it it it's just

01:02:30.540 them reinforcing it you know it's just them adding another layer like it just it's an even bigger

01:02:35.760 thing now and it's even harder to get like up until this point white supremacy was actually

01:02:41.160 a spook. There was no crime. There were no examples they could point to of actual white

01:02:45.600 supremacism being dangerous, right? It was always just a, it was a boogeyman. So now they have

01:02:51.180 something to actually point at. If anything, they'll be pointing at this example and then

01:02:56.520 they'll be coming after you and I. This time they'll be coming after us with actual prison

01:03:01.480 sentences and guns because they have the example of the Texas shooter. So I, I don't, I don't think

01:03:07.080 this is good and i don't i think it's funny the idea of like wouldn't be great if we do the old 1.00

01:03:12.600 switcheroo and make the hispanics deal with it but i think realistically what's actually going on is

01:03:17.180 the hispanics are being are the salt that's being added into this recipe to make it easier to make

01:03:25.100 that phrase associated with actual violent crime because like it is up to this point it has not

01:03:33.480 actually been associated with violent crime largely well because one thing that's occurred

01:03:38.900 to me and you're allowed to push back on this because maybe i'm full of shit but i think one

01:03:43.900 of the things that the q anon movement did for our positions on the further right was i think it

01:03:50.400 actually did take a lot of the heat off of us at least in the mainstream because um the other day

01:03:57.740 uh there's some of my friends on telegram they were showing a tweet by some twitter

01:04:04.580 some guy from our scene like named thulian something you know some esoteric hyperborean

01:04:10.980 type shit and he was celebrating the the guy was choked down the subway saying like you know

01:04:19.200 ha ha ha that this is cool and then the comment was like oh this is giving journalists exactly

01:04:24.820 what they want you know celebrating this is going to make it harder for us and my position was i

01:04:29.940 actually don't think so i don't think any journalists actually give a shit about us at all

01:04:35.380 right now on the distant right not really they don't even really care about nick fuentes the

01:04:41.640 only thing they really cared about nick fuentes recently was you know the drama about him like 0.87

01:04:46.820 having a bunch of gay a fucking pit of gay vipers america first but i'm like if you you know they 0.61

01:04:52.820 kind of ignored nick fuentes when he was at the peak of his popularity in our scene and i'm like 0.92

01:04:59.020 here's a counter view that no one really gives a shit about the dissident right

01:05:05.020 the fact that we are a lot of us are back on twitter and we are saying offensive stuff and

01:05:14.620 no journalist really gives a shit and i don't even think most politicians really care you know this

01:05:21.100 is the it's it's it's kind of over like i don't i think a lot of us like to think that we pose

01:05:27.920 a threat i think the more real uh that the reality here is that no one really gives a 0.75

01:05:35.320 shit about what we're doing and because they really give a shit about q anon they were for 0.57

01:05:39.500 a while they were really trying to like they were the ones they're trying to lock up and 0.90

01:05:42.260 maybe there's another you know force that they're trying to really go after but i'm like

01:05:48.020 i don't think it's really us and and is there some breathing room we can do to do things and

01:05:56.840 maybe kind of do our own thing while they're distracted by some other group does that sound

01:06:02.740 like bullshit does any of that make sense no i mean i i get what you're saying i mean i think

01:06:07.220 we're at a very long-term low point in terms of like the how galvanized and our the movement is

01:06:14.400 and how you know the manpower that we have and the resources that we have it seems to me and

01:06:20.040 obviously i wasn't there but it seems like in every previous decade there was a lot more going

01:06:25.100 on like right now we have the njp bless them but there's really not a lot going on there when you

01:06:30.460 compare that to even what went on in the 70s and 80s so and then even what we had what we were

01:06:37.160 starting to get prior to trump and then that got blown out of the water and then it's been like a

01:06:43.320 seven-year slide so i don't know i don't i i do think an opportunity for us to go under the radar

01:06:49.940 but that's because we're already under the radar like they actually you're right they aren't afraid

01:06:54.060 of us right now yeah because we all think we all want to think the fbi is like watching us but

01:07:00.540 here's another thing that is a lot more depressing the fbi peeked over the fence saw what was going

01:07:06.840 on over here and said what a mess and then said this will take care of itself like they're fighting

01:07:13.700 about stuff that doesn't even make sense like they're not coordinated they're not moving the

01:07:18.420 needle that the arguments are tired they're openly hostile to outsiders they've they've argued

01:07:24.580 themselves into this dank corner where they're not really interface and i'm not saying that

01:07:30.560 we can't i'm saying that the state of this thing right now isn't isn't you know that scary

01:07:36.740 to the main street how long ago was charlottesville just six years ago i think so yeah yeah so it's

01:07:45.260 like we still talk about it as if it was that thing that happened recently that's relevant

01:07:50.440 yeah that was the last big thing right two presidencies ago man and like j6 and even like

01:07:56.220 you're pointing out about q and on j6 was not our thing it was a trump slash q thing which we already

01:08:02.940 had distanced ourselves from and now it's been essentially been made a mockery of and then the

01:08:08.040 the public paid way more attention to that and those guys are the guys in federal prison is some

01:08:13.120 fucking boomers who went and had a good time at the capitol one day which is much more than we 0.62

01:08:18.460 did within the same period so like we really are and i'm not trying to be black billed about it 0.83

01:08:22.760 because i agree with you that this is you know the correct card to play right now is nobody's

01:08:27.880 nobody's looking at us but i think that would be the takeaway is stop acting like we're some big

01:08:34.180 you know existential threat and they're coming for us because we're so scary like no we're not

01:08:39.160 there's not very many of us nobody's listening to us nobody fucking cares about us that's actually

01:08:43.840 good because it means we can actually go and do a lot of shit we have runway right now and i think 0.57

01:08:49.920 the thing to do we've talked about this before is to actually do stuff in real life and by do

01:08:57.600 stuff in real life i don't mean i don't really mean protests i mean building those parallel

01:09:02.400 institutions that infrastructure these these networks of relationships uh meeting up with

01:09:08.500 people because you know i'm looking at uh something that came across my desk right now

01:09:13.400 there's a report that came out from cesis recently and i'm looking at a page here this was posted by

01:09:20.700 uh raging dissident jeremy mckenzie on his channel a good guy to follow if you're into

01:09:25.380 uh canadian politics but i'm just going to read what it says here this is a cc releasing a report

01:09:31.700 kind of internally about these are the things to watch for you know when it comes to radicalization

01:09:36.740 it says um increasingly polarized world and ideologically motivated violent extremism that's

01:09:43.620 the title it says in 2022 canadians were exposed to more sophisticated conspiracy theories and

01:09:50.340 alternative information doctored evidence and manipulated audio and visual files such as deep

01:09:56.180 fakes have become commonplace conspiracy theories include it says here's how to know when it's

01:10:02.580 conspiracy theory it demonizes out groups or victimizes in groups so to translate that it

01:10:11.740 means that if you think that's that what anything bad is happening to white people you are the in

01:10:16.580 group and that is itself a conspiracy that's wild and i wonder how many people i don't know what

01:10:23.960 like current public literacy is like but can people read that like i mean you and i can read

01:10:29.240 that and be like holy shit are you like you're kidding right you actually wrote that down in a 0.82

01:10:33.500 fucking public report well and also here's here's the next two things on this official report 0.89

01:10:37.580 a conspiracy theory delegitimizes dissent but a conspiracy theory also counters official or 0.90

01:10:47.240 established narratives those two things are right side by side like what the fuck

01:10:53.620 anyway so that conspiracy because we said so yeah essentially but but it makes me like this is

01:11:01.600 something we've talked about on the show before which is that the online space is going to become

01:11:07.100 increasingly hostile it's going to become increasingly hostile for a few ways one

01:11:11.680 it's going to be impossible to tell who is a real person that's a very real problem that we're going

01:11:16.520 to have to deal with on the best of days secondly it's going to be so much easier to track us online

01:11:23.600 it's going to be very easy to track like the words you say to employ artificial intelligence

01:11:28.580 to look for profiles of certain dissonant-minded people and then sort rank them so i honestly think

01:11:36.040 that in the near future for real dissident minded people i think we gotta get offline totally or

01:11:44.120 find we talk about building parallel networks parallel institutions i think all of those

01:11:48.200 eventually have to migrate offline and whatever online presence we have will only exist to fuck

01:11:55.520 with our opponents and this is what we were just talking about about what sort of mind virus

01:12:00.360 narratives can we introduce to get them arguing amongst themselves and saying shit that doesn't 0.94

01:12:05.860 make sense like saying yeah actually hispanics are the real white supremacists we can get them 0.99

01:12:10.420 busy with that for a year and a half maybe online but and you just keep and it'll be to the point 0.97

01:12:16.060 where the only people who are still online are shit libs are like twitter race and journalists

01:12:22.960 this will be just a containment zone for journalists while the rest of us have built

01:12:28.080 new networks of relationships offline because that's going to be the i think the only safe

01:12:34.260 way to do anything and it's going to be up to us to figure out what form that takes you know some

01:12:39.960 people are thinking oh is that homesteading is that farmers markets yeah maybe or maybe it's up

01:12:45.400 to us to figure out what a 21st century dissident network looks like where it's not just like being

01:12:50.780 Amish I don't think it needs to be you know there can be new communication platforms for us but it's 0.97

01:12:56.240 like it can't be on this clear net thing because it's just going to be a fucking den of liabilities

01:13:02.580 i think within the next few years yeah it's only going to be a space where we can like 0.62

01:13:07.000 fuck with people we talked a long time ago about the need for for like trust and verification in

01:13:15.200 relationships and even the idea of like putting having an app or some type of um like being able

01:13:21.700 to put that on the blockchain without even knowing somebody's actual identity that you can verify and

01:13:26.120 trust them i think that is something to be resolved but as soon as we can resolve it you can kind of

01:13:32.280 get off network because without that you are limited to your immediate geographical region

01:13:39.140 but if we had that then we can you can still work you can work at larger ranges larger distances but

01:13:47.460 um you don't have to deal with the fluff on the internet yeah so because even right now

01:13:53.960 there's some great men men i respect who are bogged down in like twitter drama and you know 0.90

01:14:00.840 The greater distance you place between yourself and e-girls, the better life you're going to live. 1.00

01:14:07.420 The best place to not find e-girls is in the real world. 1.00

01:14:10.600 There's only real girls. 1.00

01:14:12.220 E-girls. 1.00

01:14:13.440 The internet's going to be just for journalists and divorced women. 1.00

01:14:17.700 I got news for you. 1.00

01:14:18.500 E-girls don't go out that much. 0.60

01:14:20.120 You're not going to meet them at the gym, usually. 0.99

01:14:24.120 Maybe, but not the library.

01:14:26.200 Certainly not the library.

01:14:27.860 Or an antique auction. 1.00

01:14:30.840 You're not going to meet e-girls. 1.00

01:14:32.020 Go to an antique store. 1.00

01:14:32.940 Well, guess what? 1.00

01:14:33.600 You are going to meet e-girls, eccentric girls. 1.00

01:14:39.180 Ah, yes, yes, yes. 1.00

01:14:42.820 You won't meet e-girls, evil girls. 1.00

01:14:46.600 Those are the girls who hang out at antique auctions. 1.00

01:14:50.720 Oh, look, there's a pretty girl selling an attic's worth of dolls.

01:14:55.860 Hmm. 1.00

01:14:57.260 That is a haunted-ass bitch.

01:15:00.840 anyway that that's my plan you know it's a topic that we've discussed in the past but it occurred 0.96

01:15:07.880 me because you know i don't know like on this show i we worked very hard not to be one of these

01:15:15.660 shows one of these shows you know we get comments there's this one guy i really like on our website

01:15:22.440 who leaves comments on each episode and he's very frustrated that we have not had a gay sex update

01:15:29.300 in the past many episodes and for those who don't know what that means you know in a lot of these

01:15:35.720 um types of shows on the right the far right whatever you want to do it's very easy to get 0.84

01:15:40.140 stuck in a bog where you're just reading about trannies and weird gay stuff and then bringing 0.92

01:15:46.200 it to the table bringing it to the function and saying look at this and then you you just end up 1.00

01:15:51.140 talking about gay sex all fucking day yeah and then we realize like oh we don't want it's just 0.97

01:15:57.120 demoralizing after a certain amount of time like even this episode i'm like okay well fuck a black 0.85

01:16:02.420 guy died and now it's everyone's problem i'm like have we heard this before how and then there's 0.88

01:16:08.540 some people where that's just that's the same show you do every single fucking week and then we say 0.80

01:16:14.700 this is crazy it's great what are we gonna do well we billions must die like okay i guess i 0.69

01:16:21.300 get you segregation we should we should do segregation okay yeah now i'm glad i didn't

01:16:26.640 bring up how much i hate nick fuentes's boots i left that alone well that's because you don't

01:16:31.520 get fashion like you don't understand that galoshes are in right now i'm sorry yeah because 0.94

01:16:37.820 you know you're a guy who wears you know fucking shoes on his hands you know you were you're a guy 0.92

01:16:43.920 who's got his mittens stringed to his shirt i wear very similar boots but i wear them out in the mud 0.95

01:16:50.760 there were no mud on his boots

01:16:52.820 I don't think he's ever seen mud

01:16:54.160 see this is a classic fool's

01:16:56.800 error you just made you just admitted to

01:16:58.740 having galoshes 0.72

01:16:59.720 yeah because they're for the mud

01:17:02.560 so you never clean

01:17:04.780 them you just don't have clean galoshes 0.98

01:17:06.780 at any point you don't go to fucking 0.98

01:17:08.680 CPAC with the 0.96

01:17:10.620 wayfarers on and your puff

01:17:12.640 jacket and your and then 1.00

01:17:14.400 harass a weird gay autistic 0.76

01:17:16.880 boy well you know what 1.00

01:17:18.720 now that I'm putting all those things together I would 0.84

01:17:20.600 fucking do that no you know what i'm i'm standing nick fuentes now galoshes puff jacket wayfarers 0.75

01:17:27.240 harassing autistic boy at cpac fuck i don't know why i was mad at him i love that it was very easy 0.94

01:17:32.800 to turn you around on this point i'm sorry guys i'm sorry a classic fool's pivot but it is very 0.81

01:17:42.460 easy to get demoralized and there's one criticism that i i've i'm still unfriendly to but there is 0.89

01:17:48.640 some truth to it where it seems that you can get so obsessed with trannies that that's all you 0.91

01:17:55.920 fucking talk about and then almost like hating trannies becomes a fandom that becomes your brand 0.99

01:18:02.400 and then you think like i i don't want that to be my brand that's no kind of life to have 0.97

01:18:07.220 so even when we discuss this uh criminal act to the rip from the headlines it's like okay but what

01:18:13.940 what are we going to do about it where is this headed what what do we what can we do to break

01:18:17.900 free from this or how can we use this what can we what can we what learnings can we gather from

01:18:24.040 this to redeploy against our enemies and if we do then what do we do that in service of and this is

01:18:29.820 why we're talking about like okay let's say if we can kind of own the libs owning the libs is not

01:18:35.960 something that is it's fun to do but you should be owning the libs to like keep them busy to deflate

01:18:41.900 them to do another thing otherwise just waiting to die anyway so it's just at after so many yeah 0.94

01:18:49.360 at a certain age you're like are we just gonna fucking complain about black crime forever like 0.93

01:18:53.840 what is the next thing i don't like i think we try and pick away around the edges of this thing 0.93

01:19:01.500 we do have some solutions but i really do think the ultimate solution is like decoupling from

01:19:07.340 this entirely and i don't know is anything i'm saying tracking well yes and i i want to say for

01:19:13.800 people listening because it there's probably a tendency to think that you and i cover this topic

01:19:18.480 and then don't dive into it or we we dodge and um and don't have solutions and i do want to say for

01:19:25.020 the record we do and we have had for about i guess it's a year and a half now and we're actually

01:19:30.260 working on things outside of the show unrelated to the show which relate to this exactly but we

01:19:34.800 don't want to talk about it because it's not launched yet but there are actually a lot of

01:19:40.260 solutions to this and they're not they don't have to be original it can be just the same thing that

01:19:44.960 everybody else is talking but the important thing is that people need to actually go and do go and

01:19:48.660 do something right so yeah and that's something i try and bring to this show specifically which

01:19:55.320 isn't just to be of another vector of demoralization if it seems that way i hope people

01:20:00.840 can push back on it but you know every time you hear like a bad news story it's like well what

01:20:06.020 can we do to maybe get out of this or how can we rhetorically use this to keep them busy while we

01:20:12.220 do something else yeah and there's also some ideas that people come up with that okay so

01:20:18.160 i was in a chat recently and someone came up with an idea that i thought was not very good i want to

01:20:25.920 tell you about it um i see if you agree with me because maybe i'm out to lunch on this but also

01:20:31.300 so for people especially young guys who are on the same riding the crest of the same wave with

01:20:38.180 us who are trying to be more practical and trying to come up with solutions to get ourselves out of

01:20:42.800 this demoralization mess it's that when you come up with ideas be prepared for people to push back

01:20:48.240 on the ideas to try and poke holes in the ideas that's it's very easy if you have a solution or

01:20:53.960 you think you have a solution to a problem someone will start to you know argue come up

01:20:59.480 with reasons why it won't work that's just something that happens in business you know

01:21:03.280 it's not that they're attacking you directly so i think i got into a situation where this person

01:21:10.580 thought i was attacking them directly because they came up with an idea that i didn't think

01:21:15.280 was going to work and the only reason i try and poke holes in an idea is to stress test it or

01:21:21.040 And if it if it does not withstand the stress test, then you've saved yourself from living in a nightmare.

01:21:27.220 So this is it was an interesting idea.

01:21:30.200 So I'll give you what they were talking about.

01:21:32.560 So this individual, they had a grandmother and the grandmother wanted to sell a large plot of land.

01:21:40.220 And they wanted to retire and cash out big and spend the rest of their days just spending all that money, which is already very much a typical boomer sort of thing.

01:21:50.300 that's kind of frustrating this was like something between 60 and 100 acres of farmland

01:21:56.340 right whoever wants to cash out instead of passing it down to their kids whatever

01:22:01.000 uh many such cases anyway uh this land they've been trying to sell for something like 10 years

01:22:08.360 been on the market gone through five realtors and this person's explaining this to the everyone in

01:22:15.260 the chat already i'm like red flag you shouldn't tell me this but whatever make sure no one else

01:22:20.620 knows that because that's that's a massive red flag uh you can't sell the land so that means

01:22:26.860 it's overvalued right away that tells me it's overvalued because they want a million dollars

01:22:30.460 for it they said i'm trying to raise a million dollars to buy this land no one's buying i've got

01:22:36.580 idea how about instead of finding one buyer for it i get 2 000 of our guys to do it so that would

01:22:45.980 mean that each person only needs to kick in a few thousand a few grand each right so and then you'd

01:22:51.720 all be part owners of this land so this lot of farmland had now has 2 000 owners um so my and

01:23:00.960 you i'll say what my reaction to that was and you tell me what you think as well just hearing this

01:23:05.940 right now my reaction was this sounds like a living nightmare you're going to get yourself

01:23:11.440 into um because he's like oh you know each person it would be sort of like uh an hour guy sort of

01:23:17.660 thing where you can only expect to get maybe 70 dollars back on your investment because the farm

01:23:22.540 doesn't turn that much of a profit but it's like you would own some land you could go and and maybe

01:23:28.320 participate in the farm you know stuff like that but i'm like you know this sounds like a too big

01:23:34.640 of a cooperative and you're getting precisely the wrong people involved because you're getting

01:23:39.460 urbanites you're getting people who are not farmers you're getting people who are romantically

01:23:44.580 into the idea of homesteading but can't actually do it i'm like i can see a hundred ways where this

01:23:49.980 gets you into a financial problem now what do you think of this so far

01:23:53.680 i don't think the idea is fundamentally flawed but there's no way it will work

01:23:59.300 and i don't know i don't know who this person is but i i'm going to judge them because they're a

01:24:05.440 stranger talking to other strangers in a telegram chat tells me that they aren't a serious person

01:24:11.400 with any business experience and should not be running a project to that scale also let me just

01:24:16.760 say this first before you continue i will say that it is in my opinion a young man's idea and i'm a

01:24:23.120 bit of an older guy so are you but this is an idea that might have occurred to me when i was in my

01:24:27.780 20s and it's not out of stupidity but maybe ignorance but it's very much like a young i'm

01:24:33.920 ambitious i'm in the mix i want to do something and i'm how about this i'm going i'm going so far

01:24:38.560 as to say it would still occur to me and there's situations under which i would actually attempt

01:24:43.940 this exact plan but the situation would have to be different so first of all you'd have to be me

01:24:49.000 or somebody like you or me who actually know how to run a project to that scale and have business

01:24:53.240 experience for one thing don't attempt this as a wage laborer who's only been in the job market

01:24:59.500 for four years and is 23 years old don't fucking do that the second thing is um it's a hundred acres 0.80

01:25:06.980 at at best so 2 000 investors tell me my math is wrong but you would each get uh 0.88

01:25:14.260 like what is that 0.05 of an acre would that be the split 0.05 of an acre that's nothing that's

01:25:26.080 like a 200 that's like a 200 square foot like plot so it would almost be like you're investing

01:25:31.960 in a company like i don't know how much right now there's no value proposition like you now

01:25:39.040 and this is part of the same thing with going back to like you can't run this as a project

01:25:42.820 you don't have the experience who's getting into it and why what are they getting out to it where's 0.71

01:25:47.120 your fucking lawyer how are you signing people up what are the deliverables like there's it could 0.90

01:25:51.680 work but it's not going to because i'm betting that you don't know how to answer all of those 0.93

01:25:55.880 questions because i can't even at face value answer those questions because it it seems like

01:26:00.300 for what you're trying to do it's a bad deal and correct me if i'm wrong this is like their

01:26:04.240 grandmother's plot and they're trying to buy it back yeah essentially okay so you your motivation

01:26:11.840 for doing this is to buy a piece of arguably overpriced and useless land because it's sentimental

01:26:18.100 and you're mad at your grandma this is not a good real estate investment you're going to try to 1.00

01:26:23.580 package that to a bunch of strangers to get their money that is retarded that's bad you should stop 0.99

01:26:29.640 in fact you should be ashamed of yourself for even suggesting it i am ashamed for you for suggesting 0.95

01:26:35.160 that for no really for trying to take advantage of our guys to give you money to get back at your 0.96

01:26:40.240 dumb boomer grandma fuck you if you want to run an hour guy you know real estate deal go find some 0.96

01:26:48.900 fucking land that's actually good and come up with a plan and give us the value add give us a 0.98

01:26:54.540 fucking propositional statement on why we should invest in it what we're going to get out of it 0.90

01:26:58.520 how we're all going to cooperate even like just something i like because i actually like the idea 0.85

01:27:05.000 of right you and i are doing this right now not with the 2 000 people but we're doing it as

01:27:09.260 families we sign an agreement and we get a piece of land together and we each know what the other's 0.81

01:27:14.740 getting out of it what we're getting out of it and there's a plan and it's all fucking on it's

01:27:19.980 all above board not just i really am mad at my grandma i'm sorry if i'm ripping on this guy but 0.59

01:27:27.620 like no i was gonna say this these are the types of conversations that are going to occur when

01:27:34.240 people come up with ideas practical ideas and that was sort of the the genesis of this by saying like

01:27:41.020 if we are being serious about anything conversations are going to get ugly when you talk like how are

01:27:46.840 we actually doing it that's stupid you know you're going to get used to guys saying that something 0.52

01:27:51.980 is stupid um and it took me many years to get to that it took i don't i had to experience ego death 0.71

01:27:58.940 every single day and i still do before i drink my cup of coffee i undergo ego death and approach

01:28:05.160 the world but that's necessary to be a man of action because you can't become so egotistically 0.90

01:28:10.940 married to an idea you're going to have other men of action who are saying that's fucking retarded 0.89

01:28:16.040 and so are you and so is your wife and you say hey hey watching this i'm sorry i haven't gotten 0.92

01:28:21.580 enough sleep and then you hug it out and then he tries to let he lingers too long the hug you say 0.99

01:28:26.620 whoa whoa whoa what the fuck so i'm sorry i i'm i'm sorry and now now you're in a fucking 0.99

01:28:33.740 like is he gay is he sad what is this do we do we talk about it do we not talk about it 0.99

01:28:38.460 who saw that because if someone else saw that now it's a problem i can keep that guy secret

01:28:42.980 that we can this would be a weird thing that happened but if a third cameras anybody walk by 0.83

01:28:48.840 fuck shit yeah these are the things that are going to happen see there's your gay sex update

01:28:55.300 you're welcome you got it so there's something about these experiences it's like a kind of a 0.98

01:29:01.700 hero's journey type thing where you you should welcome it's a jocko willing good thing right

01:29:08.180 like you should welcome people coming at you with this criticism because it's either going to be

01:29:13.240 bad criticism which is and you know it's bad because you're smart and you can analyze it

01:29:19.060 and you know it's bad and you can tell them to fuck off you can take them out of your rolodex 0.77

01:29:23.940 you delete their name from your phone and you don't have to deal with that again you solved 0.94

01:29:27.220 the problem today and now you can go fucking put your money where your mouth is and do the opposite

01:29:30.880 or you're going to again because you're smart and analytical realize that they're right 0.89

01:29:35.320 you just got advice for free you essentially tricked them through your feigned stupidity

01:29:41.300 to teach you how to do the thing correctly and you didn't even have to go to school

01:29:45.180 so those are the two outcomes right when people when you're doing a practical thing and you have

01:29:49.980 a well thought out plan and you explain it and somebody just starts pissing all over you it's

01:29:55.720 always an opportunity to either cut off an asshole or learn something for free um that being said

01:30:04.040 almost all of your ideas are shit all the time everybody all the time very and even the best

01:30:11.260 people only have a few good ideas and the only way you know is through that process of constantly

01:30:16.440 going and trying them and so i will say this if you are the guy who in your early 20s is just now

01:30:23.820 starting to go and do practical ideas and i to be fair frank i don't count shit you do on the

01:30:29.820 internet as practical ideas like if you're going to start a drop shipping website it's not really

01:30:34.880 a real thing i'm sorry it's not real yeah i mean a real practical project a business an organization

01:30:40.100 um a political move in a pack something like that if you're doing that for the first time 0.77

01:30:45.320 it's gonna be shit you suck and it's gonna be awful and don't stop just keep doing it do it 0.97

01:30:51.260 again do it again do it again and after 15 years if you're only half as much of a retard as dimes 0.99

01:30:57.120 and i you will be fine it will be okay but it is it is really disheartening like you said to talk 0.97

01:31:03.420 to guys like this and you have to tear their idea apart because that's the natural process

01:31:07.760 and it's like you destroyed them and then like they're bitter and black belt and they don't want

01:31:13.580 to keep going it's like no i'm not trying to destroy you i'm trying to hone you right and by 0.88

01:31:19.600 all means tell me i'm wrong by all means tell me i'm wrong and go and prove me wrong by going and

01:31:25.120 doing the thing and showing me how wrong i am go and do it please or take my advice and let's

01:31:29.940 cooperate and work together but don't just get mad at me and get build up all that bitterness

01:31:35.520 and then just go home and then not attempt not attempt anything either way because my what i'm

01:31:39.920 saying is you want to go with plan a and i'm yelling at you that plan b is better you have

01:31:44.500 two options a or b okay going home is not an option you must you must still do one of the two

01:31:49.980 okay please yeah because in our scene there's a lot of people who again are ambitious and are

01:31:55.360 probably very intelligent who are like let's get a bunch of our guys together and come up with an

01:32:00.600 idea and that's good but it's also what you need is an idea fight club you really need to be savage

01:32:07.800 with each other and fight club only exists when there's returning members yeah that your you your

01:32:14.260 idea gets savage and you come back and you get better but if you if you get pushed back and

01:32:19.160 you're like oh man people think i'm dumb and then you go away i'm like well then you're never going

01:32:22.500 to be anything um and in in my profession in marketing that just happens all the time like

01:32:29.220 i've been told my work is shit so many times that i kind of like it i've gotten into a position

01:32:35.460 where like well if it's shit i want to know as fast as possible so i can get to the point where

01:32:40.420 it's good but now i assume it's going to be bad at the start so i'm like let's just get through

01:32:44.660 this so i can get good so i want as many people critiquing as possible so if you can get yourself

01:32:51.480 to a position where you're okay with that you can start to come up with solutions and how to get out

01:32:57.260 of your political economic situation i had a the conversation more or less about this with my wife

01:33:04.520 and a couple of the guys not business partners but like our core original guys at the company

01:33:08.180 about seven years ago and we talked about it and with this thing i forget i think it's the 70 30

01:33:13.100 rule but the idea no not the 70 30 rule it's um fuck the general idea of this this this maxim

01:33:19.240 is that you don't need to know everything about a topic to make a decision you just need to know

01:33:24.080 enough to be like a slightly above average decision or for the decision to be successful

01:33:28.580 more than 50 of the time that's all you need to know and what we realized about that method

01:33:32.780 when you're in the market that we were in was a little bit niche so what we could do is through

01:33:38.840 failure we were essentially it was almost like we were focus grouping the solutions by just failing

01:33:44.560 and having people scream at us and that actually worked that wasn't the that wasn't the reason we

01:33:49.620 failed in the long run like that actually worked for a long time and was a huge benefit is like

01:33:54.520 doing and doing something and being like i'm 80 sure this is wrong i'm still gonna hand it to the

01:34:00.240 client because i already have like my damage control at the ready and they're going to tell

01:34:05.380 me what's wrong with it and i'm going to make that the new like design language for the next client

01:34:10.180 yeah so what works you know yeah and once you realize that everyone does that every like the

01:34:16.760 bet there's this idea that the real movers and shakers and the power brokers don't do that but

01:34:23.920 they do they do they just do it like in secret and they do it in a way where you don't notice

01:34:28.120 that they're doing it you've internalized criticism and like fighting and anger and conflict and you

01:34:34.540 realize that the outcome of conflict can almost always be positive it's like an ironic way to

01:34:39.740 look at it but these horrible horrible emotional conflicts that like ruin your day they almost

01:34:45.040 always have something positive come out of them if you know where to find it and to a point that

01:34:49.320 you can actually make it a model that you find those conflicts and you fucking mine them so and

01:34:55.460 And like you say, I think a lot of successful people do this,

01:34:58.320 and that's why successful people are often insufferable pricks

01:35:01.220 who appear to be incompetent.

01:35:03.260 Yeah, and that's, you know, I guess what I'm trying to get at

01:35:06.700 is that more people need to adopt that worldview,

01:35:09.580 especially if they want to do the types of things we're talking about.

01:35:12.820 And you'll steal yourself,

01:35:15.280 and you will get out of this sort of trough of theory

01:35:18.860 that we get stuck in.

01:35:20.300 We're just like, the idea of like, we get enough minds in a room,

01:35:23.880 then something will happen.

01:35:24.940 like it won't it never will it's like uh what's it like what is that like you know what it's like

01:35:31.700 it's like mensa the idea of mensa like these are you know mensa is a scam um you know anyone can 0.80

01:35:39.560 get like a genius certification by paying it which is very much a midwit thing to do

01:35:44.820 but i'm sure there are like some high iq people in mensa but the whole joke is like well what do

01:35:50.980 they do don't do anything the idea was like what if you get all the geniuses together in a room

01:35:55.600 well what do they do they talk about how much they hate people who are not in that room

01:36:01.020 that's kind of where we're at like let's let's take it sounds like our telegram show yeah exactly

01:36:06.960 like that's where we're at we're all we're all geniuses we're distant geniuses and all we do

01:36:10.980 is talk about how much we hate everyone who's not there and it's like well what else can we do you

01:36:18.080 know there's there's other things we could do and the ironic thing is that if you behave more like

01:36:24.620 an idiot you will get further than the most well-laid mastermind clan you know yep all right

01:36:33.340 um and i suppose the thing i wanted to talk about before we go is this uh book i read recently

01:36:39.820 that's not a very good segue but it's the one you get um this book i i found really fascinating

01:36:47.580 and this we took last week off

01:36:50.380 and so maybe we ruined the flow

01:36:52.020 of the last episode of this one

01:36:54.440 it's actually very funny

01:36:55.900 so last episode we covered

01:36:58.060 a book by the name of

01:37:00.100 The Sacred and the Profane

01:37:01.500 and I got this book recommendation

01:37:04.040 actually from Thomas777

01:37:06.160 and I enjoyed the book

01:37:08.400 and I was recommending the book

01:37:10.200 from another guy in our chat, a good friend of ours

01:37:12.280 I believe it's

01:37:13.940 Wagner's Ghost, previously Captain Haddock

01:37:16.260 and he's very much into this sort of thing um there is another sacred in the profane book

01:37:23.060 that he was hoping that we would cover and he was very upset that we covered the wrong one

01:37:28.440 we cover the run yeah written by steve barney

01:37:32.320 but which they deal in kind of the same thing but there is one that's much much more famous

01:37:40.120 and he was very upset that I got the wrong one.

01:37:44.840 But the other sacred and the profane book

01:37:48.040 was written by the author

01:37:50.420 that we're going to talk about today.

01:37:52.400 The author, Mircea Eliad.

01:37:56.000 I'm probably saying this wrong.

01:37:57.720 I hate this where I should listen

01:38:00.260 to how these names are pronounced beforehand.

01:38:03.040 But it's Mircea Eliad.

01:38:05.940 And the book is titled

01:38:07.260 The Myth of the Eternal Return.

01:38:11.040 And this is a very, very fascinating book.

01:38:14.220 I love this one.

01:38:14.960 It was published in English in 1954.

01:38:18.980 It's been out for a while.

01:38:20.740 And it deals in the sort of common threads that unite a lot of sort of cosmological mythology of different cultures around the world.

01:38:32.800 And what unites sort of like the Christian mythology and the Indian mythologies and a lot of these other sort of creation myths.

01:38:39.520 and it's kind of finds this bedrock uh kind of universal functionality of what a lot of these

01:38:47.760 these um mythologies mean to the societies and you know it is a very very illuminating book and

01:38:54.600 it connected a lot of dots from things that we talked about over the past few episodes

01:38:58.320 that deal in more of the esoteric lore of things um and it deals in like how the mind

01:39:05.840 of the ancient man was different than the modern man and that's a topic we return to a lot

01:39:11.620 and the the importance of spirituality and not any specific spirituality but sort of the

01:39:19.180 relationship with the mystical world and how that differs from how we engage with it now um so

01:39:26.760 so it starts with this idea that to the ancient man there were very few profane activities and as

01:39:37.560 you talked about in the last book the sacred and the profane the sacred is the divine the profane

01:39:42.200 is everything else profane is just regular stuff that has no spiritual element to it it's not

01:39:47.880 special in any way um and he says in the ancient world there was very little activities a human

01:39:54.420 could do that were actually profane it says that hunting fishing sex they all participated in some

01:40:01.760 way with the sacred or mystical world they were all kind of ritualistic they were all

01:40:06.880 kind of touched with divinity there nothing was really a waste of time because it couldn't be

01:40:12.480 because that would kind of break your mind we'll get to that in a little bit later but

01:40:15.700 like everything was kind of special everything was sort of ritualistic in a sense

01:40:19.440 and that's in sort of the practical way but also in sort of their mythological way they would say

01:40:27.580 that for all the ancient people even the jews things on earth were represented in the celestial

01:40:34.480 form it's almost like a platonic form sort of idea so this was grounded in the belief that

01:40:39.300 everything that takes place on earth has some representation in the mystical world so it would

01:40:45.080 follow that any activity would do has some fundamental connection with this other dimension

01:40:52.520 that we cannot see so that that kind of built up this idea that oh everything we do matters

01:40:58.120 everything we do is important nothing we do is really a waste of time and this tied into and we

01:41:05.320 talked about this in the sacrum the profane about we talked about like the nephilim and the throne

01:41:09.400 of god and and in the sacred temples they kind of built their temples we build our cathedrals

01:41:16.280 to these sort of sacred forms and the positions of things in the temples correspond to what we

01:41:21.640 believe their position in heaven would be like the placement of the throne over here and the

01:41:26.600 tabernacle over here would correspond to what we believe sort of the divine placement of these

01:41:32.200 in you know god's throne right so and in even in india the designs in their cities they believed

01:41:39.880 were pulled from celestial versions and he's got a a line here hold on he says the world that

01:41:47.000 surrounds us then the world in which the presence and the work of man are felt uh all have all these

01:41:53.960 have an extraterrestrial archetype be conceived as a plan as a form or purely and simply as a double

01:42:01.080 existing on a higher cosmic level we find the same theory in india all the indian royal cities

01:42:08.360 even the modern ones are built after their mythical model of the celestial city where

01:42:13.320 in the age of gold the universal sovereign dwelt and like the latter the king attempts to revive

01:42:19.800 the age of gold to make a perfect reign a present reality so and we saw this when we were discussing

01:42:25.800 you know the founding of ancient cities there's always this idea that the cities we're founding

01:42:30.040 here are built after some celestial or mystical model that there was sort of a divinity in finding

01:42:36.200 a city it wasn't just uh like in the modern sense a grid where people live you know and this is where

01:42:42.680 he gets into his idea where the things that humans do are almost a rebellion against the profane

01:42:51.080 because the real world is chaos the real world is punishment the real world is is random and

01:42:57.560 and profane and it just exists to torment us so it's sort of this uh mythical chaos and when we

01:43:06.300 settle it when we kind of try to bend reality to our own whim we are almost cosmetizing it

01:43:13.580 through rituals and it's like uh when the vikings settled greenland they reenacted their creation

01:43:21.520 myth on the land or like the spanish conquistadors setting up a cross the moment they break into a

01:43:27.540 new territory they set up a cross the idea of like entering a new land and the first thing you do

01:43:33.640 is build a church the first thing you do is enact some kind of ritual to like leave your mystical

01:43:41.280 imprint on it because it's good that's like placing your order on the chaos of the unknown

01:43:48.100 and that's what those rituals represented that's what the founding of a church used to represent

01:43:52.620 it wasn't just to build a church just to have it it really signified that you were you know

01:43:58.300 implanting your order on a chaotic world and he's got this line here that i really really loved um

01:44:06.220 he says each of the examples in the previous chapter reveals the same primitive ontological

01:44:11.740 conception an object or act only becomes real insofar as it imitates or repeats an archetype

01:44:19.020 Thus, reality is acquired solely through repetition or participation.

01:44:24.220 Everything which lacks an exemplary model is meaningless, meaning it lacks reality.

01:44:30.400 Men would thus have a tendency to become archetypical and paradigmatic.

01:44:34.540 The tendency may well appear paradoxical in the sense that man of a traditional culture sees himself as real only to the extent when he ceases to be himself,

01:44:45.000 and is satisfied with imitating and repeating the gestures of another."

01:44:50.220 We can see then how the biological instinct for survival evolved into a psychological

01:44:55.180 drive to remain in reality, in the realm of the sacred.

01:44:59.060 But how dider Cakeman enter the plane of the sacred?

01:45:02.560 Wow.

01:45:03.560 His technique for achieving this was, in Eliade's terms, repetition, imitation, and participation.

01:45:10.820 In simple words, since the plane of the sacred contained all life, meaning and reality,

01:45:16.040 primitive man modeled every aspect of his life after sacred archetypes.

01:45:20.940 So it's this idea that, you know, you only, I love that idea where you only feel real

01:45:28.060 when you cease to be human, when you decide to like step outside of yourself

01:45:32.920 and try and engage with the world in a mystical way.

01:45:37.120 And he makes a good line here.

01:45:38.820 And the reason we do this is because the primitive man or the ancient man cannot conceive of unprovoked suffering.

01:45:47.260 So you have this idea that the world can't be meaningless.

01:45:51.040 The world can't just be chaos because then it would just be nihilistic.

01:45:54.360 Then nothing would matter.

01:45:56.140 So suffering and catastrophe and illness has to have some meaning.

01:46:02.640 Right.

01:46:02.860 and some people like a lot of the nihilists of today would say oh you're just deluding yourself

01:46:07.720 that life truly is meaningless well if that was the case then we wouldn't have people right

01:46:12.100 so it actually makes more sense to pretend that or not pretend but interpret the world

01:46:18.100 as like the illness and catastrophe and crisis it's like the force of an enemy it's someone

01:46:23.880 trying to do something against you it's trying to attack your order what you represent is order

01:46:29.280 You can say the world represents chaos, but chaos is uniquely targeting you, and that's why something is happening to you.

01:46:36.440 It's not random, it's targeted, and it must be contended with, either magically or appealing to the gods. 0.70

01:46:44.580 And you even see this in Christianity. 0.76

01:46:46.960 This is the idea that suffering is essential. 0.99

01:46:50.140 You know, suffering was always essential throughout time, 0.99

01:46:53.220 and that's what kind of links Christianity to all these other, even arguably the paganisms,

01:46:58.600 that this idea that suffering is essential to life it's kind of a crazy idea when you think of it like

01:47:04.680 how did that come about but this is how it came about because it's like by you suffering you

01:47:12.120 become real and and it matters because if you didn't suffer you would not represent order it's

01:47:17.720 it's kind of a different way of looking at it but you see this commonality all throughout cultures

01:47:22.440 throughout the world um and he even gives an example of this one god from indian culture

01:47:30.000 called tammuz hold on in in the uh mediterranean mesopotamian area man's sufferings were early

01:47:38.040 connected with those of a god to do so was to endow them with an archetype that gave them both

01:47:43.940 reality and normality the very ancient myth of the suffering death and resurrection of tammuz

01:47:50.220 has replicas and imitations almost throughout the paleo oriental world and traces of its scenario

01:47:56.280 were preserved even down to post-christian gnosticism this is not the hold on is that

01:48:03.680 any suffering could be tolerated if the drama of tammuz was remembered for this mythical drama

01:48:09.540 reminded men that suffering is never final that death is always followed by resurrection that

01:48:15.260 every defeat is annulled and transcended by the final victory the analogy between the myths and

01:48:21.420 the lunar drama outlined in the preceding chapter is obvious what we wish to emphasize at this point

01:48:26.300 is that tammuz or any other variant of the same archetype justifies or rather renders tolerable

01:48:33.980 the sufferings of the just the god as so often the just and the innocent suffered without being

01:48:40.780 guilty he was humiliated flogged till the last drew blood imprisoned in a pit that is in hell

01:48:46.860 here it was that the great goddess visited him encouraged him and revived him so basically he's

01:48:52.360 trying to say that we have these myths where even the just and the innocent suffer which almost

01:48:58.340 justifies the suffering by saying suffering is usually visited on those who don't deserve it

01:49:05.320 and that almost justifies the suffering you see what i'm saying and that was kind of and the fact

01:49:10.440 that that finds a place in like Indian culture and in Aboriginal culture and in Christian culture

01:49:16.460 it's that same sort of myth carried across time I thought was kind of interesting and really at

01:49:22.080 the center of the book is this idea of the repetition of the creation myth and that's

01:49:27.580 where the title comes from the myth of the eternal return it's sort of this idea that

01:49:31.840 a lot of our and we kind of do this even with the calendar year this idea that we all have a

01:49:39.240 creation myth and we're always revisiting the creation myth and in christianity the creation

01:49:45.080 myth is sort of the death and rebirth of jesus christ we commemorate that every single year but

01:49:50.900 that's also commemorated in various solstice rituals like the idea of sort of the death and

01:49:57.040 rebirth in a very very mythological mystical sense is is always it was almost more literal back then

01:50:04.740 because you had to experience literal death and literal rebirth but that by doing that you almost

01:50:09.240 control death and rebirth um yeah he says um the sacred rituals like even of stone age primitive

01:50:18.080 cultures the sacred rituals that they do sort of a replication of what the gods or mythic heroes did 0.79

01:50:24.180 and we repeat them again and again and again forever you know like the aborigines of like

01:50:29.460 australia they would circumcise themselves with stone tools because that's what the gods did 0.99

01:50:34.820 christians have a day of rest because that's what god did um and all through time even marriage was

01:50:41.460 a replication of the creation myth where man represents heaven and woman represents earth

01:50:47.200 and their marriage is the unity between those um and that's kind of he goes into quite some detail

01:50:52.500 about how the sexual act was treated as sort of a divine thing too these days everything is

01:50:57.300 profane sex is meaningless sex is just pleasure but in the ancient world sex was this especially

01:51:04.420 if you were like a king or something but there was always this idea that you know sex wasn't

01:51:09.580 just this silly ludicrous thing you did to make yourself feel good it had some some divine some

01:51:15.880 divinity to it where each new year in the traditional conception is a recreation of the 0.57

01:51:22.580 world out of chaos the babylonians had a calendar of 360 days at the end of those 360 days the five

01:51:30.320 additional days or four additional days, were considered out of the year, which is to say

01:51:37.200 that the world had reverted into chaos. And the way they marked that was by allowing Saturnalia.

01:51:43.960 All social roles were dropped. The king was no longer an exalted figure. The peasants and serfs

01:51:50.420 were no longer debased. Sexual license was granted. Riotous drinking and feasting and 0.97

01:51:56.260 Partying occurred, and then on the first day of the next year, the order was re-established

01:52:02.020 when the king and queen ascended to the top of the ziggurat and had ritual sex, the hierogamy,

01:52:08.820 and recreated order in the world.

01:52:11.940 Every year that occurred.

01:52:14.240 That has not died.

01:52:15.780 Why do we have Saturnalia on New Year's Eve?

01:52:18.940 Why not the night after or the night before?

01:52:21.380 Again, we have seen the year has run its course.

01:52:25.240 is a sort of cessation of time, allowing us to engage in a formless, orderless, spontaneous

01:52:34.440 eruption of our primordial urges, which is then followed by a rigorous return to order.

01:52:42.680 That again is the reason we have New Year's resolutions.

01:52:46.460 Because the sense is each year is a new year with new potentialities, with new possibilities.

01:52:52.380 We wipe free the burden of the last year.

01:52:54.680 over it's gone yeah it's true i couldn't lose weight last year but this year is going to be a

01:52:58.460 different year you know we talked about this when we were discussing um you know the ancient uh

01:53:04.360 religions of the middle east about how men and women were viewed you know as chaos versus order

01:53:11.000 and we still kind of see that now in the modern discourse on men versus women but in the ancient

01:53:15.540 world it was much more clear that man was order woman was chaos but you kind of needed those two

01:53:21.220 together they weren't they didn't make sense apart you can't just have order without chaos

01:53:25.820 and so the idea of that even being represented in sex the conjoining of those two things was

01:53:31.880 you know that wouldn't seem that bizarre to the ancient mind and it would seem bizarre to us

01:53:37.440 because everything in the modern world is profane everything is meaningless nothing means anything

01:53:43.000 everything is random we have accepted that nothing means anything and any ritual that we have

01:53:48.460 is just wasting our time but then we also wonder why you know we keep killing ourselves right

01:53:55.600 because it turns out that maybe you need this stuff maybe you need and we might quibble over

01:54:01.600 what that religion is what that specific spirituality is but the idea that you need

01:54:08.460 something that allows you to interface with the mystical world and make these things you do

01:54:14.320 matter on a larger scale

01:54:16.720 like you kind of need

01:54:19.000 that because I don't think the suicide rate

01:54:21.020 was something they really had to worry about back

01:54:23.020 then you know

01:54:23.560 yeah

01:54:25.360 he's got this line here that I really love

01:54:28.920 where he says the repetition

01:54:30.920 of divine creation

01:54:33.180 in these rituals like the yearly ritual

01:54:35.260 that you would have to honor

01:54:37.200 the creation of the universe because a lot

01:54:39.100 of these creation

01:54:40.280 a lot of these cultures have very similar

01:54:43.160 creation myths a lot of them center around a mountain that's depicted as like the navel of

01:54:48.560 the world you have aspects of the the universe that take on you know the aspects of childbirth

01:54:55.840 and things like that um this idea that when we celebrate our creation myths when we celebrate

01:55:02.720 these these acts of death and rebirth it's a rebellion against profane time and just like

01:55:10.620 we're talking about when you

01:55:11.800 go to a new area and you build a church

01:55:14.520 or you found a city or you place a cross

01:55:16.800 or you make a sacrifice

01:55:18.220 that's a

01:55:19.960 rebellion against profane

01:55:22.400 space. You're abolishing profanity

01:55:24.560 by building something divine there

01:55:26.520 and in a sense you're rebelling

01:55:28.820 against the slow

01:55:30.620 deathly march of time

01:55:32.380 by honoring this creation myth that lets

01:55:34.660 you kind of stand outside

01:55:36.240 of a punishing universe

01:55:38.560 um like he said the archaic man does not enjoy profane history and is frequently trying

01:55:46.240 to break it and that's one thing i found when we look into the various ways that humans

01:55:52.060 have attempted to interface with the mystical world it's like we're almost trying to break

01:55:58.260 the universe every time we do it you know we are aware of gods god or gods and what do we try and

01:56:05.300 do well we actually try and control the gods we try to appeal to the gods sometimes we try and 0.99

01:56:09.560 trick the gods as the jews do but all throughout history like we're always trying to figure out how 0.98

01:56:13.940 to like understand gods understand ghosts understand demons and manipulate them for our 0.98

01:56:20.120 own ends so like some this core aspect of maybe not all humans but most humans is like being aware

01:56:27.920 of the mystical world but then almost trying to like manipulate and break it and i found that

01:56:33.040 very that doesn't get brought up a lot i don't think but i found that interesting and in a sense

01:56:36.960 these rituals that we employ we're trying to break time we don't like how the universe is so we try

01:56:42.960 and control it in these senses and he's got this line here it says the abolition of profane time

01:56:50.560 and the individual's projection into mythical time do not occur of course except at essential periods

01:56:57.120 those that is when the individual is truly himself on the occasion of rituals or of important acts

01:57:03.040 uh generation ceremonies hunting fishing war work the rest of his life is passed in profane time

01:57:09.520 which is without meaning in the state of becoming uh brahmic texts clearly bring out the heterogeneity

01:57:18.320 of these two times the sacred and the profane on the modality of the gods which is coupled

01:57:22.960 with the immortality and the modality man uh insofar as he repeats the archetypical sacrifice

01:57:30.800 the sacrificer in full ceremonial action abandons the profane world of mortals and introduces

01:57:37.920 himself into the divine world of the immortals so it's this idea that these rituals are us like

01:57:44.960 breaking free from our world and we have to do this every single year and that is what we repeat

01:57:51.300 every time that's the myth of uh the eternal return it's it's always every year revisiting

01:57:57.920 this creation myth as a way to make sense of the universe but also you know give meaning to

01:58:05.400 everything because and it's not to give meaning it was the assumption that things had meaning

01:58:09.700 it was the assumption that by like controlling creation we had some control over time and it

01:58:16.320 wasn't a form of us tricking ourselves it was just a true belief and once we lose that you know again

01:58:23.140 And it seems that just nihilism creeps in.

01:58:28.200 He's got this thing here.

01:58:29.760 Readers familiar with ethnography and the history of religions are well aware of the importance of a whole series of periodic ceremonies, which, for convenience, we can group under two main headings.

01:58:41.480 Number one, the annual expulsion of demons, diseases, and sins.

01:58:46.320 Or two, rituals of the days preceding and following the new year.

01:58:53.140 in broad outline the ceremony of expelling demons diseases and sins can be reduced to the following

01:58:59.460 elements fasting abulations and purifications extinguishing the fire and ritually rekindling it

01:59:06.640 in the second part of the ceremonial expulsion of demons by means of noises cries or blows

01:59:12.240 followed by their pursuit through the village with uproar and hullabaloo this expulsion can

01:59:17.460 be practiced under the form of ritual sending away of the animal the scapegoat as or of a man

01:59:24.480 or like an actual human sacrifice there are often ceremonial combats between two groups of actors or

01:59:32.240 the or collective orgies or processions of masked men in many places the belief still survives that

01:59:38.920 at the time of these manifestations the souls of the dead approach the houses of the living

01:59:43.880 who respectfully go out to meet them and lavish honors upon them for several days you still kind

01:59:48.800 of see this in japan a lot of places you see this in mexico celebrations of the dead these

01:59:53.900 ceremonies where they literally interface with the world and this is all hallows eve you know

02:00:00.060 there's lots of pagan rituals that do something like this like this is evident everywhere and

02:00:05.880 you know there's a purpose of that in the form of death and rebirth of sort of like living in

02:00:12.140 that space where the two meet so you can begin the year again new and kind of like by by embodying

02:00:19.380 the creation myth you are kind of playing god for a second and starting off the new year in a new way

02:00:25.160 and they all seem to fall around the same time not exactly the same time but chinese new year

02:00:29.680 kind of there's different days and different specific dates but it's around that time of

02:00:35.880 the season where these all seem to fall actually there is an example just to give some context of

02:00:41.980 with how the japanese do it here hold on it says at the same time japanese tradition has preserved

02:00:48.440 the memory of a conception that is connected with the ceremonial of a year's end using the

02:00:54.520 findings of the japanese ethnographer dr masuoka situates the ceremonials of the secret societies

02:01:02.000 what he calls the tama complex this tama is a spiritual substance that is found in man in the

02:01:07.560 souls the dead and in the holy man and that when winter passes onto spring becomes agitated and

02:01:13.700 attempts to leave the body and the ceremony is to prevent the forsaking of the body by the tama

02:01:19.640 that according to the interpretation the festivals designed to hold or fix this spiritual substance 0.69

02:01:26.060 are celebrated so it's literally ceremonies to like make it so the soul doesn't like leave your

02:01:30.900 body so these oftentimes are still practiced to this day in certain regions but they were practiced

02:01:35.640 a lot more back and so the the question is like why do we do this why does this happen at all

02:01:41.320 he says the required death and rebirth that is the eternal return and what it teaches us

02:01:46.920 is that no event is irreversible and no transformation is final we can control and

02:01:53.560 exist outside of time by forcing a rebirth in the mythic universe and so it's about control

02:02:00.200 not being held captive by time itself and he's got this um line here it says um this eternal return

02:02:07.560 reveals and on this eternal return reveals an ontology uh uncontaminated by time and becoming

02:02:17.720 just as the greeks in their myth of the eternal return sought to satisfy their metaphysical thirst

02:02:23.000 for the ontic and the static even so the primitive by con by conferring a cyclic

02:02:29.480 direction upon time annuls its irreversibility so it's like the very creation of cyclical time

02:02:34.920 itself because there was a time before this concept of cyclical time and some people think

02:02:40.600 that cyclical time is you know an inferior way of looking at time and you know the indians and

02:02:46.920 and the hindus they're obsessed with cyclical time everything is cycles everything is cycles 1.00

02:02:51.480 within cycles and at various times you know i've um i push back against that like i don't like the

02:02:58.200 idea of cyclical time or i think there's a better way to conceptualize time i'm a bit more cynical

02:03:03.780 and i see it as a downward trajectory um and a lot of the esotericists believe that too but

02:03:10.200 you know one thing that this idea of cyclical time this innovation granted us with is this idea that

02:03:17.240 nothing is permanent that there's always a way that the very idea of resurrection itself almost

02:03:23.700 springs from this idea of cyclical time that you know no matter how bad things are you there is an

02:03:30.020 inevitable rebirth that no matter how bad things are now there is this inevitable victory there is

02:03:38.120 this inevitable you know end to the madness and you can begin you can begin again and that concept

02:03:44.000 itself living in your mind kind of changes how you interface with the world nothing is static

02:03:50.000 in that sense but when not even though things are cyclical that can seem like a prison in some way

02:03:55.180 but if you if you think of the cyclical as just embed embedded within that there is a resurrection

02:04:02.420 that's kind of liberating and i never really thought of it like that before and i think that

02:04:08.600 we in the modern day we've lost that as well we don't think there's such thing as a rebirth there

02:04:13.740 is no like final moment where we can be we can be free of all this prison you know and because of

02:04:21.240 that we again that's why the suicide rates are fucking high and really the underlying thing

02:04:28.840 the reason we do that is that he makes a claim the book is that we're always trying to escape history

02:04:34.460 we actually don't want to be imprisoned by history we want to think that we can exist outside of it

02:04:39.480 and he makes a claim that in the modern world we have a hegelian view of history we have

02:04:45.240 historicism historicism rather and it says indeed that we're always confronting history

02:04:50.320 we're always staring at our own history in the face we can never escape our history we're always

02:04:56.120 you know obsessing about the history and trying to engage in various dialectics to make sense of

02:05:02.140 history and we're never free of it so his claim was that these things that we might have thought

02:05:09.060 were silly or ridiculous in the past or you know the idea of cyclical time was a prison not really

02:05:16.740 our modern view of history is a prison it's something that we can never escape and we

02:05:20.660 always must be confronting every single day and that by losing the the literal nature of these uh

02:05:30.020 these ceremonies these rituals and these these creation myths it's like we can never transcend

02:05:35.940 our material conditions

02:05:38.160 and we're always going to feel trapped

02:05:39.540 we're always going to feel like we're imprisoned

02:05:41.760 by our own history, by our own everything

02:05:43.560 I think that's

02:05:44.500 an important demarcation between

02:05:47.860 the modern man and the ancient man

02:05:50.140 whereas the ancient man

02:05:52.120 might have very well been freer

02:05:53.600 even though we think he was trapped by rituals

02:05:56.400 those rituals liberated him

02:05:58.320 those rituals allowed him

02:06:00.200 to transcend the universe

02:06:02.420 in a way that's just

02:06:04.120 lacking with us and even though

02:06:05.520 in an almost hyper real way we keep going through these rituals we keep doing the same rituals over

02:06:11.440 and over again we don't really believe them we just think it's just another thing that imprisons

02:06:16.120 us by the way is anything i'm saying making any sense you find is is this following really for

02:06:21.940 sure for sure i'm always kind of frustrated that this type of thinking is qualified as like

02:06:28.280 esoteric or maybe like new age or something when to me this is just like fundamental

02:06:33.560 global human spirituality or something like that like it's your connection to to cycles in nature

02:06:39.840 and in history and and the earth and the whole the universe and whatever else like it doesn't

02:06:46.180 matter what where you come out at these are important elements for an individual to incorporate

02:06:52.340 into their life daily or else it doesn't matter how wealthy you are you feel rudderless and alone 0.79

02:06:58.400 and it's funny to me listening to catholics and and atheists and pagans and prots argue about

02:07:06.120 theology and it's like i don't get i'm technically a protest i don't give a fuck about theology i

02:07:10.920 don't even go to church i don't care i i'm still struggling with the actual important part which

02:07:15.880 is the spiritual part like the metaphysical the important part you know and that to me that's

02:07:23.460 But it's really interesting to hear these these takes on it, because it's like they they almost seem to have had in some of these historical cases a much simpler, quote unquote, theology, but a much stronger spiritual connection as a group.

02:07:38.680 Yeah, it's funny that, you know, even in Christianity, some people, it seems so obvious, but people ignore it.

02:07:44.560 Like within Christianity, you're always looking towards the judgment day.

02:07:47.280 What is the judgment day? 0.89

02:07:48.380 the judgment day is essentially when everything will rebalance and permanently rebalance and

02:07:53.580 despite you know everything that's happened it'll all be good and we kind of build our yearly cycle

02:07:59.580 around that and the death and resurrection of christ is kind of like a mini creation judgment

02:08:05.940 day cyclical rebalancing myth that you know if you look at it so closely you kind of forget that's

02:08:12.380 what it is but you know and he's got this line here about you know the problem presented by

02:08:18.760 historicism that we were just talking about um i like the phrase he uses here it's uh for our

02:08:24.660 purpose only one question concerns us how can the terror of history be tolerated from the viewpoint

02:08:31.020 of historicism justification of a historical event by the simple fact that it is a historical event

02:08:37.000 in other words by the simple fact that it happened that way will not go far towards freeing humanity

02:08:42.940 from the terror that the event inspires so i just like that like it's you're being held captive by

02:08:50.680 history by the the literal nature of history you can never ever transcend it and i and he mentions

02:08:56.240 in the book repeatedly um that the the hindus and other cultures he described it as a refusal of

02:09:03.600 history like an ultimate rebellion against your own history allowing you to fully transcend it

02:09:09.600 and and approach the future in a more pure way and that's what the creation myth does like

02:09:16.220 death and birth are combined into one creation myth like that's what it is it's one year ending

02:09:22.600 and another year beginning it's death and rebirth all at once and when you celebrate that you're

02:09:27.680 stepping outside of time you're entering into this like fucking plasma of the universe where death 0.54

02:09:32.720 and life and time stops and everything is the same.

02:09:36.260 And then you start the new year again, but you can start fresh.

02:09:39.960 You can start with a different sort of energy than always being shackled to your past.

02:09:45.760 And because you could, it's like metaphysics itself is a refusal of history.

02:09:50.740 And if you can never unshackle yourself from history, you can never transcend into anything,

02:09:55.940 you know, above your current materialist position.

02:09:59.640 and then you'll put your spirit that's essentially what marxism is it's trying to take spirit that

02:10:05.740 spiritual div the seeking of divinity and code that directly into materialism and that's why

02:10:13.900 people go so insane the deeper you get into marxism you try and chase spirituality deeper

02:10:19.140 and deeper and deeper into basic materialism and that's how you get like slavar zizek that's how

02:10:25.280 to get like the really really kooky stuff where it's like you're looking at dna and seeing like

02:10:30.700 the that that you're like your only ontology is gender dynamics it's really weird shit but

02:10:37.500 that's what's like gays are the only real women or some shit i forget yeah that's how you get to

02:10:41.880 like that's how you get to yeah homosexuality is really the only creation method it's like what 0.72

02:10:46.380 the that only makes sense if you're trying to chase spirit that chase god into fucking materialism 0.57

02:10:55.220 you know like the exact inverse of what you should be doing um anyway i would highly recommend this

02:11:01.920 book the myth of the eternal return there's a lot of examples in here i only gave a few i gave me

02:11:07.020 the christianity and he talks about the stoics he talks about indians talks about various aboriginal

02:11:12.420 cultures stone age cultures but we talked about stone age cultures in our previous episode so i

02:11:17.400 didn't want to spend too much time in that um but i just wanted to i think this was essential

02:11:23.680 to kind of explain when we talk about paleolithic cultures when we we go back further and further in

02:11:30.980 time i i think you need to contextualize their relationship with the divine with their religion

02:11:38.120 because that was the the belief that a lot of modern historians had up until you know like the

02:11:44.880 70s the 80s was that you know the the cavemen the paleolithic man their relationship with art

02:11:52.200 was very surface level their relationship with you know hunting and gathering was very materialistic

02:11:58.040 that they didn't have these higher minded for spiritual value sets and what they found was you

02:12:02.820 know that's not what it is at all you know they might they were probably more spiritual and their

02:12:07.920 relationship with the world was probably more dynamic than ours anyway i i just thought that

02:12:13.260 was a great way to sort of cap off our discussion on these these various um civilizations throughout

02:12:19.940 time and yeah i hope people like that i can't recommend that i hope i did this book justice

02:12:25.040 because there's a lot of very very passionate people and i i got knives coming at me for doing

02:12:31.760 the wrong the sacred and the profane book all right any any closing thoughts on that

02:12:39.020 no man it was good all right all right so everyone pay stay tuned uh because coming up next is a

02:12:45.260 very very good interview with

02:12:47.320 Ryan Turnipseed and I guess

02:12:49.400 it's somewhat related to this

02:12:51.340 it's about his

02:12:51.980 war with the Lutheran church

02:12:55.020 it's really really

02:12:56.360 it's almost like a

02:12:59.200 spy novel it's very

02:13:00.660 he's a cool guy to go

02:13:03.300 about this but once you listen to it

02:13:05.320 and realize the implications of what's going

02:13:07.340 on it's really kind of jarring

02:13:09.400 anyway so stay tuned to that

02:13:11.140 make sure to listen to it and I'll let you go

02:13:13.360 see you people take care

02:13:14.980 Doug Pipe.

02:13:32.080 And I'll just introduce you.

02:13:34.420 I'm here with a returning guest, one of my top guys, one of my favorite guests we've had, Mr. Ryan Turnipseed.

02:13:42.180 And we're here to discuss a very, very important topic.

02:13:45.380 But before we do, I want to make sure everyone checks out Ryan Turnipseed's channels and

02:13:51.580 everything he's working on.

02:13:52.620 So you can find him on Twitter, at TurnipMerchant.

02:13:57.660 Head there right now.

02:13:59.160 He is also on YouTube.

02:14:00.400 Look for him there.

02:14:01.300 He's also a member of one of my favorite outlets, the Old Glory Club.

02:14:05.440 You can find Old Glory Club on YouTube.

02:14:07.360 You can find it on Substack.

02:14:09.140 They got all kinds of content out there.

02:14:11.660 And he'll find his byline in different sites as well.

02:14:15.600 And we're going to be referencing one of them today.

02:14:17.860 But first of all, thank you very much for taking the time to speak with me today, Mr. Turnipsy.

02:14:23.240 Thank you very much for having me.

02:14:24.720 This is by far one of the most enjoyable discussion channels that I'm on.

02:14:30.480 Ha! Take that every other fucking show.

02:14:35.340 This is the interview 65 million years in the making.

02:14:39.380 We've actually been trying to set this up for a couple of weeks now because this is part of a developing story.

02:14:45.480 Would you call this a developing story we're going to talk about?

02:14:48.380 That's a good that's a good way to describe it, even if I didn't use those words.

02:14:52.060 So use that.

02:14:54.120 Yeah.

02:14:54.440 So for people and we're going to try and set this up for individuals who even if you listen to the show,

02:15:00.400 they'll be aware that you are a member of the Lutheran Church and you're a young guy and you're politically active.

02:15:07.060 but you had found yourself embroiled in a bit of controversy over the past few months, actually.

02:15:14.160 I would say, would you say that everything kind of kicked off in January of this year?

02:15:21.400 Yes, if I remember correctly, I think it was January 21st.

02:15:25.940 And just to clarify, that is the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod.

02:15:30.060 They are supposed to be the conservative historical Lutherans in the United States.

02:15:34.620 They are not supposed to be the ones hanging around the Rainbow Coalition and trying to rewrite scripture to make it sound nicer to people.

02:15:44.560 They were supposed to be the uncompromising, very traditional, very conservative group of Lutherans in the U.S.

02:15:51.860 That's how they marketed themselves. That's what most people believe about them still to this day.

02:15:58.740 It's quite a deceiving reputation, I have to say, but we'll get into why all that is.

02:16:04.120 Yeah. And so what my first introduction to what we're going to talk about was a series of tweets. And these have come out on January 21st of this year. And the first tweet, and people can look these up, they're still available. Look at them now, archive them if you can, because these are very, very good. And I'm always paranoid if things get taken down.

02:16:24.680 Just to give people an idea of what we're talking about, the tweet is,

02:16:28.220 The Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod, just put out a new edition of Luther's Large Catechism,

02:16:35.000 one of the main books used to teach people about Christianity and what it means to be a Christian.

02:16:40.060 So what got added?

02:16:41.580 Now, this first tweet, to give people some context, this tweet has over 285,000 views as of this recording.

02:16:50.200 It's got all kinds of quote retweets, all kinds of likes.

02:16:53.040 It made big waves, and this was the start of a tweet thread, and in this tweet thread, you had gone through various passages and sections of this newly released large catechism and a selection of essays that were bundled with it to try and recontextualize the large catechism, and that's kind of where the errors and the issues were.

02:17:15.040 And you kind of go through these bit by bit. You take your screenshots and you say, look at what they're actually saying. Look what they're trying to bundle in now. Would that be a very, very broad but accurate portrayal of what happened?

02:17:29.560 It's extremely accurate, and just for people in the audience that might not know,

02:17:34.620 Martin Luther, the reformer in the 1500s, wrote two catechisms,

02:17:39.300 and their purpose was to be like summaries of the Christian faith.

02:17:46.040 So the small catechism, small and large, both of them,

02:17:50.000 the small catechism was supposed to be a tiny, tiny book

02:17:52.940 which contained all of the basic doctrines of Christianity.

02:17:56.540 Basically, it went over the Lord's Prayer, the Apostles' Creed, or it might have been the Nicene Creed, you know, the ecumenical creeds.

02:18:05.640 It has the two sacraments, baptism and communion that the Lutherans hold to.

02:18:11.840 And I believe it also has the Table of Duties, so what you're supposed to do as a husband, wife, father, mother, citizen, all this other stuff.

02:18:21.960 And basically, the whole purpose is that for each of those things, it has scripture supporting it, and it is Luther just explaining to basically what were at the time very illiterate or somewhat illiterate peasants, here's how to be a Christian from scripture.

02:18:38.200 And then the large catechism was just an elaboration on all of that.

02:18:43.000 And we've had these books for about 500 years now, nearing that.

02:18:47.840 and Luther called it his best work, which was quite the high honor or quite the high praise

02:18:53.260 from him because he basically, he was an extreme pessimist towards all of his work. I believe one

02:18:57.640 of his quotes is that if he could, he would burn all of his works except the bondage of the will,

02:19:02.880 and I believe it was the large catechism is what he said. So it was one of the few works that he

02:19:09.180 just unapologetically liked. We've had it for centuries at this point. All Lutherans hold to

02:19:14.840 it. You can't really go against those catechisms and still be a Lutheran, is kind of how it's

02:19:20.380 viewed. It's the confessional statement. And in the year 2023, the traditional conservative

02:19:28.960 Synod of Lutherans decided, you know what we need to do? We need to take this old book and we need

02:19:34.780 to write like 90 or so essays to try to fit it to the modern world. And so they released that

02:19:41.460 catechism uh about 300 pages of it is just the unedited catechism and then about 600 pages are

02:19:48.660 essays and citations bound together with the catechism and they called it luther's large

02:19:54.480 catechism uh with annotations and contemporary application sort of the director's cut is what

02:20:01.600 they're trying to sell that because it's like i wondered has this ever maybe the fan fiction

02:20:05.780 yeah the fan fiction it's well it's like the matrix and they bundle in like the animatrix

02:20:10.200 a bunch of shit. I wonder, has this ever happened before? Have other different centuries,

02:20:16.320 have they ever tried to recontextualize the Catechism with essays at the time?

02:20:21.140 So we've had all the Lutheran documents together. It's called the Book of Concord.

02:20:27.720 We've had a reader's edition that was published a few years ago. I don't know the specific time

02:20:33.820 on that one because it predates me being a Lutheran. But it was while I was still alive.

02:20:38.560 and basically all that that one does is it has the all the confessional documents and then it

02:20:43.920 has like notes in the margin that basically just say here's the historical context here's what

02:20:48.240 these like antiquated words mean and all this other stuff so we've had that um there was a

02:20:53.580 small catechism version that was released in 2017 um and they didn't market it as being the

02:21:00.260 contemporary version but they had like an explanatory section added on to the end which

02:21:06.600 basically doubled the size of the small catechism. Counterintuitive, but all right. Most of it was

02:21:12.240 fine. Um, you can start seeing the subversion in it though, because the, under the fifth commandment

02:21:18.800 and this small catechism that they released in 2017, uh, they start putting in like the sin of

02:21:24.600 racism and all this other stuff, which is, uh, I can kind of see what they're going for. Um,

02:21:30.840 Christians aren't supposed to hate their neighbor. It's just we don't really do this

02:21:37.400 thing where we have a special category of hating your neighbor because of why you do it that's the

02:21:42.980 issue. Usually it's just hating your neighbor is the issue and you need to stop it. But they add

02:21:48.840 in the sin of racism. That's basically the only thing that went wrong with that one. And then

02:21:53.320 2023, a few years later, and it's been years in the making at this point, much to the surprise

02:21:58.820 of basically everyone in the Senate except for the people involved. They have just been working

02:22:04.600 on modern applications for the large catechism, and much, much more than one section is wrong with

02:22:13.240 it. I think I can put it that way. We've gone downhill quite a lot from 2017. Yeah, and I used

02:22:19.920 the word sort of recontextualized there, and that was probably the wrong word to use, because

02:22:23.880 from what I'm seeing, and I encourage people to actually look into this, and especially the

02:22:28.400 tweet thread is this is really additive. It's not like trying to explain what a word would mean in

02:22:33.900 the context of when it was, it was just a bunch of new stuff. Um, and, and for, if people are

02:22:39.680 looking for the headline to this, what we're talking about is a mountain of the, in these

02:22:43.920 essays, it's a mountain of new information that would be, you know, we could call it social

02:22:48.340 justice. So we're talking about, you can literally call it that because there's a whole, there's

02:22:52.800 essays dedicated to, in the title, social justice and Lutheranism. Yeah. We're talking race. We're

02:22:58.120 talking gender, we're talking transgenderism. And maybe we can go through some of the most

02:23:03.620 egregious examples, because the one that jumps out at everyone when they hear this, and I think

02:23:08.740 you particularly drilled into this one, was I believe it's a normalization of pedophilia.

02:23:16.220 Correct. Yeah, that's how I would describe it as well. And yeah, we'll get into this.

02:23:22.960 Show the audience what you're talking about. What on earth can you be talking about? Normalization

02:23:27.380 of pedophilia in a catechism yeah so there's a tweet here it says um we have this is how it

02:23:34.740 starts it's interesting it's the equivocation of homosexuality pornography sodomy pedophilia

02:23:40.100 whorishness and transgenderism with heterosexual fornication outside of sex so um for people who

02:23:46.680 don't know what that means it's pretty simple unless you're dumb but what it means is like 0.94

02:23:51.440 they're i think you put it best where they can say yes you know gay gay sex is wrong but so is 0.58

02:23:58.160 anyone who has sex before marriage it's bringing all of that down to the same level which has kind

02:24:03.860 of been happening for decades now but then i think you had had this great quote where it equates uh

02:24:10.580 pedophilia to the speck in your neighbor's eye or something like that like it's yeah pedophilia is

02:24:17.340 just something it's like nobody's perfect you know po buddy's nerfect right you know there's 0.82

02:24:22.660 there's there's child rapists but also you know you a 16 year old having sex with their you know 0.73

02:24:28.420 girlfriend boyfriend is the same as child rape and and that's pretty explicitly said this isn't

02:24:34.740 just an inference um and the exact quote here is um uh however though some of us are burdened with

02:24:42.200 homosexual lust pornographic addiction transgenderism pedophilia and polyamory more often

02:24:47.760 they're the speck in the neighbor's eye rather than the log in our own for decades if we didn't 0.97

02:24:53.200 wink at fornication we certainly turned our eyes from it as long as the acts performed outside of

02:24:58.140 marriage or heterosexual ones we shudder and then it kind of goes on from there but that seems kind

02:25:04.180 of staggering to me and it seems that it's hard for me to look at this and when we say social

02:25:10.180 justice. It's hard for me to look at this and not think it's political. And one thing that you had

02:25:16.540 described in, first of all, the other thing I'd recommend people look at is there's an article

02:25:21.420 written by you on Gab News, news.gab.com. It's called Here I Stand, the LCMS Subverted.

02:25:28.400 And in this article, you point to some interior groups within the Lutheran Church, one being sort

02:25:35.760 of the uh was it the uh black the black the black clergy caucus yeah and then lutherans for racial

02:25:42.820 justice is the uh layman's group yeah yeah and so they're pushing and pushing the race stuff and i'm

02:25:47.940 wondering like is there is there some group within the lutheran church that is pushing

02:25:52.640 the pet the pedophilia equivocation because that seems very blatant so we just found this out

02:26:00.900 recently i wouldn't call it a group i think it's just this one or group of pastors that have their

02:26:06.180 own soft pedophilia theology um because the okay this is the other scandal that came along with

02:26:15.420 all this um and i didn't touch on this in the original thread because i wanted to see people

02:26:19.180 to see what was being printed not necessarily who was printing it um just because i thought that was

02:26:24.500 the bigger issue because we've been very relaxed with who we let teach the church in the LCMS for

02:26:32.100 quite a long time. I'm not going to raise that issue up from the dead whenever they're soft

02:26:38.300 peddling pedophilia, but the person that wrote this article, this essay that is bound in with

02:26:43.140 the large catechism, is a woman whose only qualification listed, the only qualification

02:26:49.600 for her that's listed in the appendix for this book is that she is a pastor's wife um so not

02:26:56.900 exactly the most qualified person to be writing a like an uh annotation or a contemporary application

02:27:04.640 of a 500 year old book that's of central importance to a church but oh well you know i i'm not going

02:27:10.980 to dig that one up just yet i would love to but i'm not um we had her pastor that publicly said

02:27:17.840 the other day that actually he's the one that's been teaching this, that pedophilia is just the

02:27:22.080 speck in your neighbor's eye and not the log in your own. This guy's name is Charlie Lehman,

02:27:29.020 and he put in a post, and this is on my Twitter from a while ago, but just so that we can get

02:27:34.340 everything out here for the audience listening. Charlie Lehman says, in her essay in the

02:27:40.920 Annotated Large Catechism, Ms. Schmeling wrote, quote, though some of us are burdened with

02:27:46.020 homosexual lust, pornographic addiction, transgenderism, pedophilia, and polyamory.

02:27:51.000 More often, they are the speck in our neighbor's eye rather than the log in our own. 0.68

02:27:54.660 She's being attacked for this because she's a woman, and of course, laity, and because,

02:27:59.680 and of course, laity, and because some think it minimizes the sin of pedophilia.

02:28:04.220 It struck me this morning that she probably wrote this because one of her pastors taught

02:28:08.140 this to her for about seven years.

02:28:10.020 I know this pastor rather well.

02:28:11.880 He's me.

02:28:12.400 I frequently preach that we should take Matthew 7 and 1 Timothy 1 together.

02:28:17.920 We are the chief of sinners.

02:28:19.520 Whatever sin another person might commit, our sin is worse.

02:28:23.140 That's a categorical statement.

02:28:25.020 It is absolute.

02:28:26.400 Whenever we address the sin of another, we must address it as one sinner to another.

02:28:31.700 So don't go after Andrea.

02:28:33.260 Go after me.

02:28:34.320 Go after the other pastors who might have taught her the same thing.

02:28:37.140 In her essay, she's actually doing what some of her critics say that women should do exclusively.

02:28:41.460 listen to their pastors so um he has a ton of crap thrown in there about oh you're just attacking her

02:28:47.240 because she's a woman and you guys don't want women teaching the church i wonder where those

02:28:52.440 critics get that notion from you know holy scripture maybe but i was gonna say my jaw is

02:28:57.160 on the floor listening to that like you're only hating this because she's a woman well guess what

02:29:01.740 i said it like i what level of not reading the room is this what a baffling thing to respond with

02:29:09.420 This guy is publicly admitting that he and potentially more pastors, um, believe that

02:29:14.560 you should not be criticizing pedophilia so harshly because you sin too. Um, and because

02:29:21.140 you sin, you have no standing with which to ever criticize a pedophile extensively. You know,

02:29:27.580 you just have to tell them that's sin. Uh, you know, Hey, once upon a time I lied to somebody.

02:29:32.900 So, uh, buddy, you need to, can you please stop raping the children over there? Like that's

02:29:37.720 what these people are trying to do. It's insane. And what's interesting is, and you mentioned this

02:29:42.760 in your article as well, it's that when people hear this, when they hear that this random woman

02:29:48.860 wrote an essay that got included, when they hear about this strange stuff, they would think that,

02:29:54.760 oh, this was just a blog post. But this was an essay that went through so many levels of approval

02:30:00.260 before it was included. So the idea that it was not just a mistake that this woman,

02:30:07.220 she must have had she must have been chosen or there must have been some kind of deal made like

02:30:12.360 it seems strange to me that how many eyes looked at this and approved it and also um and we can

02:30:19.380 get at this in a second after you pointed this out caused a bit of controversy they took it back

02:30:24.240 and re-reviewed it and then put it back out and said nothing nothing was wrong here right so um

02:30:30.840 i'm glad that you mentioned that and i'm not going to make comments about what was happening

02:30:33.960 behind the scenes, just because I don't know. Though it obviously goes without saying this

02:30:39.160 woman wrote the essay. She had to be selected somehow. So there was a process involved there

02:30:44.960 somehow. I can't explain how that is, because I don't know. But yeah, let's look back at the

02:30:49.360 timeline. I published these tweets on January the 21st. I believe that was a Saturday afternoon. I

02:30:54.380 think it was around one o'clock my time. And that Monday, a few days later, I was basically told by

02:31:05.060 a pastor, hey, you're going to go on stream tonight to talk about this catechism. The president

02:31:12.180 of the Synod, Matthew Harrison, he's going to release a statement saying he's going to pull

02:31:16.160 the catechism for review. And this is all thanks to your thread. So thank you for doing that. And

02:31:20.420 i just said okay cool um and it was kind of funny because this was back when none of the pastors

02:31:25.940 has heard of me and they see a guy online by the name of turnip seed publishing all these things

02:31:30.300 and he said you know once upon a time i wrote under a pseudonym as well you're gonna have to

02:31:34.600 come behind the come out from behind the turnip seed and use your real name i i i waited for him

02:31:40.340 to finish because i didn't want to interrupt him and i i just i didn't want to be impolite and say

02:31:44.460 wait wait wait um but i i eventually did tell him by the way uh turnip seeds my uh legal name it's

02:31:49.480 on my birth certificate and he uh we had a good laugh about that um so um we did a stream that

02:31:55.600 night basically 10 or 15 minutes after the announcement went out that the catechism was

02:32:01.920 pulled everyone was in an extremely celebratory mood um i don't think our spirits had ever been

02:32:07.220 higher because like this is a at the imagine the time without knowing what was going on since

02:32:13.280 this catechism went out in public massive reaction i don't know how many people pastors and laity

02:32:19.860 wrote letters to this to matthew harrison the president of the lcms and other people and he

02:32:27.580 responded and he looked like he did the right thing he pulled it for review and everyone was

02:32:33.340 just happy it looked like that the church was not going to fall prey to some sort of institutional

02:32:37.800 captured. And we go on that stream, and it was me, a guy by the name of Woe, or Eschatologai,

02:32:47.660 or Treble Woe is how it's called on Twitter, Corey Mahler, and Askeladd, which is another

02:32:54.680 pseudonym. The four of us were on that stream, and we went through the critiques that we had

02:32:59.620 of this catechism. And, you know, we basically, throughout that whole stream, we basically just

02:33:06.840 said you know we were pretty worried there that harrison wasn't going to do the right thing but

02:33:10.340 he did and we're very happy like i said he did the exact right thing in record time like he didn't

02:33:15.660 even wait till some committee put the suggestion in front of him like eight months later or

02:33:20.080 something he took executive action basically and expunged it from being sold and you'd even

02:33:26.360 recommend it at the end of your tweet thread there was one line here where it said if there

02:33:30.060 are things in the new large catechism that concern you please email harrison be polite

02:33:34.440 be specific and be clear so it was like no one no one freak out these but i don't think there

02:33:40.980 was like a bunch of psychos emailing him either right yeah and i i wrote my own email i spent a

02:33:46.600 lot of time on that i now regret having done so because it's we'll get to why that is you know

02:33:51.660 spoiling what's going to happen here but uh um so he pulled the catechism we went through that

02:33:57.720 whole thing and basically the tone was harrison did absolutely correct thing why the hell did

02:34:03.260 this get published in the first place so yeah that was the question we were asking half the time when

02:34:10.140 we weren't just explaining ourselves you know what's the problem here um because we talked about

02:34:14.900 the pedophilia excerpt like we've just it seems like we've completely forgotten that you know some 0.50

02:34:20.200 sins are worse than others yes all sims damn but you know why a mother lying to her child about why 0.63

02:34:26.840 he can't do something is not as bad as a, you know, some sort of foreigner raping a group of 1.00

02:34:34.460 children. You know, one of those two things is by far much worse. Any Christian, until apparently 1.00

02:34:42.140 the modern day, could have unequivocally said that. You know, pedophilia is worse than lying.

02:34:49.180 Like a mother lying to her child. And what's the reason for that? Or you can even take a less, 0.88

02:34:55.340 sounds like it would be a less defensible example um you know just fornication

02:35:00.660 is not as bad as pedophilia why is that well because there is a point in time there there

02:35:07.920 is an institution in which a man having sex with a woman is allowed and encouraged and it's in the

02:35:13.960 institution of marriage there is no time and place where pedophilia is allowed you know where

02:35:20.900 child rape is allowed or grooming gangs or any of these other things you know seems very sound

02:35:27.640 most of christian history would agree with you if you articulated such a thing we articulated that

02:35:32.520 on the stream um did not go over well with a lot of these people um they can't get that in their

02:35:37.820 head that um pedophilia is in fact worse than fornication or white lies or whatever other sin

02:35:44.420 you want to use which is funny because uh traditionally in my own lifetime that was

02:35:49.440 always a tactic that was deployed against people christianity by people who are openly hostile

02:35:55.160 towards the church they might say something like they'll try and quote the bible at you and say

02:35:59.680 like yeah he like he is who without sin cast the first stone which is to say if you've stolen a

02:36:05.940 piece of gum you're not allowed to have an opinion on abortion or something like that right yeah like

02:36:11.980 that's only to dismantle like but to see that coming from within the church was so strange

02:36:17.520 right and it's exactly that um it's like we've become culturally new atheist in this catechism

02:36:25.860 and but we're maintaining a veneer that is actually the historical christian faith like

02:36:31.600 come on i i have to open up just any random book on my bookshelf to see the exact opposite opinion

02:36:38.220 being written down in like 1630 like yeah we're the historical continuation of the christian faith

02:36:44.200 yeah okay get rid of this book then but anyways we there there's been a lot of other streams

02:36:50.940 talking about what specifically in this catechism was wrong um it was pulled on the 21st or not the

02:36:57.220 21st it was pulled on the monday after the 21st um 23rd i think it would be and we had a stream

02:37:03.020 that night um and then nine days after that i think we're getting into february by that point

02:37:10.360 february 2nd does that sound right yes um so um early february i was in class i remember this

02:37:20.400 i was in my uh economics class and i got no i okay i was in my economics class um it had been

02:37:29.300 a slow day i check one of the uh group chats that i'm in and someone asked me and they're like oh

02:37:34.500 ryan did you say you're gonna get a kick out of this look at what uh your denominational president

02:37:40.100 just put out. And I thought, oh boy, what is it? I mean, he's done so well so far. What is this

02:37:45.960 going to be? And I look at the announcement and he basically just says, I personally have reviewed

02:37:52.940 this book again after this has gone through examination three times before it was published

02:37:58.500 and I find absolutely nothing wrong with it, said the denominational president. And he further went

02:38:05.220 on to say that any of the criticisms that were lodged against it were unfounded and abusive

02:38:10.760 and racist and all these other stuff. And, you know, I kind of just thought, oh, so that's how

02:38:17.780 it's going to be. Which is an odd thing to do as well. And this might sound like an insignificant

02:38:23.360 point, but the thing to do would have been to initially either stand by it or withdraw it and

02:38:30.800 then admit fault but rarely do you see someone kind of admit fault but then double down after

02:38:36.400 that's a strange tactic the worst case scenario that everyone was preparing for on like the

02:38:42.780 conservative side was that they were going to just republish it but they're going to have like

02:38:48.000 the essays as a separate book from the catechism so they'd still be publishing them they just

02:38:52.420 wouldn't be bound together like that's what we were preparing for that was like all right if we

02:38:56.720 lose that's what it's going to look like and if we win the whole thing's just going to be pulled

02:39:00.120 and you know people are going to get talked to we weren't expecting him and i'll get into why

02:39:06.160 this is we weren't expecting him to just come out and say oh by the way i agree with everything in

02:39:10.140 here and the people that criticized that were racists like yeah and that to be for people who

02:39:17.220 don't know who weren't paying attention to this that is literally what he said the the word nazi

02:39:22.660 was thrown around quite a bit the the alt-right was thrown around all the comments that's coming

02:39:27.820 later that's coming later he was a bit more mild here he just called us abusive and racist and

02:39:33.020 misogynistic and something else so um that that's this happened uh early february nine days after

02:39:41.160 he pulled it and this came as a shock to many people especially his own supporters uh clergy

02:39:47.360 and laity because uh the lcms is a congregational impolity which means that we don't have bishops

02:39:55.080 and a top-down hierarchy.

02:39:58.120 Instead, what we have is from the bottom up.

02:40:00.820 We have congregations, and it's democratic in procedure,

02:40:04.820 and that's by design.

02:40:05.820 I don't like it personally, but that's just what it is.

02:40:09.200 And it's an election year for the guy.

02:40:12.280 We have convention this year where all of the churches

02:40:14.940 are going to submit whatever resolutions they want.

02:40:17.240 They're going to vote on the Senate president and all the officers.

02:40:20.360 And it looks like Harrison was, you know,

02:40:22.560 some of the more cynical people when he pulled it

02:40:24.560 were saying, oh, Harrison's just doing this because it's election year, and this is going

02:40:27.780 to play fantastically well with everyone on his side. Like, no one could speak ill about him in

02:40:33.680 public again after this for at least a year, because you're going to immediately be hit with,

02:40:38.860 yeah, but he did the right thing at a very crucial moment. So he was untouchable.

02:40:44.000 So on this election year, basically immediately after he pulled it, he came out and said, by the

02:40:49.900 way dearest supporters and uh you know my clergy on my election team i support this catechism that

02:40:57.160 you all have publicly written against and called it absolutely evil um and in fact you you all are

02:41:02.460 abusive and racist for going against it like it doesn't make sense from a strategic point of view

02:41:07.540 unless of course and this will be a radical notion for your audience i'm sure unless of course the

02:41:12.580 votes don't matter and democracy's a sham um but um pretending that this system has legitimacy it

02:41:19.220 makes absolutely no sense why he would do it.

02:41:21.120 He basically secured himself the election

02:41:22.980 and he could have just

02:41:25.320 sidelined the academics,

02:41:27.260 the ivory tower intellectuals that were

02:41:29.160 criticizing any of the

02:41:31.420 catechism critics.

02:41:33.140 He could have just sidelined them. They don't have a vote.

02:41:35.880 The congregations all supported

02:41:37.240 this at the time.

02:41:39.040 He could have just ridden this wave.

02:41:40.860 He's been slowly losing his electoral margin

02:41:43.220 for the last decade.

02:41:44.800 He could have renewed himself. This was looking to be

02:41:47.400 his field.

02:41:49.220 and he just goes up there and he's like yeah uh i'm going to uh do the exact opposite actually

02:41:55.540 so what was um and you were my point man to all of lutheranism lutheranism so i don't know the

02:42:04.040 entire you know spectrum of what the reaction to this was um and it's probably not knowable but

02:42:09.180 in your opinion it's public so in your opinion just for the folks at home what was the broad

02:42:15.940 a reaction to this because because we're getting a bit of inside baseball stuff here i'm what you

02:42:20.120 might call one of these cursed papists so a lot of the inner workings is this is news to me but

02:42:25.580 i find it by your interest and what what what were the reverberations of this well this is only

02:42:30.340 inside baseball insofar as people just aren't a part of the public groups where a lot of the

02:42:34.460 people were very publicly reacting um most of the laity especially the ones that i came across

02:42:40.500 even from like the more liberal areas were saying yeah this book was at the very least poorly

02:42:46.560 written and we shouldn't have published it um the only people that were really saying everything in

02:42:51.240 this is correct and nazis are going against it were um a member of our uh okay so here's a term

02:42:58.680 for the audience it's called the ctcr um and basically what this board does is it is an

02:43:05.800 independent board, separate from our seminaries, that are supposed to write official stances for

02:43:10.920 the Senate. And one of the members of the CTCR board, sorry, let me redo that, one of the members

02:43:20.360 for the CTCR board, his name is Jack Kilcrease, and he is a Jesuit-educated Lutheran. He is very,

02:43:30.000 very liberal. If you were to just listen to him for more than five minutes, he basically sounds

02:43:35.820 identical to CNN. He has the ear of the synod president, and he made that known. He was very

02:43:42.160 public about having the ear of the synod president and telling him exactly what he wanted to tell him

02:43:46.300 and all this other stuff. From the beginning, before the catechism was pulled, think back to

02:43:52.220 January 21 through 23, he was on these Facebook groups that are full of I don't know how many

02:43:57.720 thousands of Lutherans, basically saying, oh, I mean, stop talking about the catechism for the

02:44:04.780 second, for a second. This anonymous coward, Ryan Turnipseed, is a neo-Nazi white supremacist.

02:44:13.680 And this is, this is where all that started. This is where we started making a lot of

02:44:17.940 fun out of people thinking that I was anonymous, because they were also calling me a Nazi in the

02:44:21.820 same breath. I mean, you would think that if they knew so well my political views as to call me a

02:44:26.760 nazi and destroy my reputation in public like that they would also know that ryan turnip seat

02:44:32.000 is my real name but we can't expect that this is what we were talking about before i i kept

02:44:36.620 i kept coming back to this and laughing so in summary this guy's like i don't know whether 0.85

02:44:41.460 this ryan turnip man is real or fake but i can tell you he's a nazi right what the fuck 0.61

02:44:49.240 and that that was the first runaround i had as i like posted that on twitter and i was like 0.88

02:44:53.960 lol look at this idiot and he did whatever the facebook equivalent is of subtweeting me he went 0.61

02:45:01.400 to this facebook group and he like got in another roundabout with some guy saying you know this uh 0.87

02:45:06.080 uh this kid has a point about the catechism he's like oh yeah shut up about that for a second

02:45:10.740 nathan turnip seed is a neo-nazi white supremacist

02:45:14.520 so now my twitter bio i have also called nathan with a question mark at the end that's where

02:45:20.720 that's from is this jack kilcrease character i was expecting like he's gonna hit the all the

02:45:24.900 trifecta and go like incel as well like well he did not call me an incel which uh you know might

02:45:31.460 be for his benefit because he would also be incorrect there um but well we'll just keep

02:45:37.320 going here we had other pastors then join in with the screed we had the uh um i don't know

02:45:42.240 what you call him i don't want to say official radio man of the synod but probably the most

02:45:46.380 popular affiliated

02:45:48.240 radio man of the synod

02:45:49.420 who accused me of using hasty and blurry

02:45:52.300 screenshots

02:45:53.040 neither of those two things are true

02:45:55.780 I took basically an entire night

02:45:58.380 to read through this tome

02:45:59.420 I don't know what the fuck a hasty screenshot is by the way

02:46:02.320 they also weren't blurry

02:46:04.240 either I don't know if you caught that when you were reading 0.84

02:46:06.280 just a screenshot with like a fucking motion 0.89

02:46:08.380 blur on it 0.91

02:46:09.160 wrong on both

02:46:12.460 counts there

02:46:13.060 affiliated radio man of the

02:46:16.360 Synod, um, one of the former directors of the official radio of the Synod, um, called me a

02:46:21.720 20-something-year-old, uh, uh, like, schoolboy or something like that who was too stupid to know

02:46:28.660 what was good for him, um, and I had to go in and correct him and basically just say, yeah,

02:46:32.700 I'm not 20 yet, sorry, uh, go back to the drawing board with your insults. Um, he didn't like that

02:46:37.780 either. He went back to Facebook and complained about me. Um, you had, um, you had other Lutheran

02:46:45.400 pastors that were saying that I was a racist because I don't like the Civil Rights Act or

02:46:49.500 because I wasn't saying that Lizzo was a good influence for blacks. That is real, by the way. 1.00

02:46:55.180 I had a roundabout with Dr. Jordan B. Cooper of the Association of American Lutheran Churches or

02:47:02.980 something like that, the AALC, who the LCMS is in full fellowship with, which basically means

02:47:08.580 the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod and the AALC believe absolutely everything together that is

02:47:14.560 necessary to commune each other and preach in each other's pulpits. He was saying that I was a racist

02:47:21.280 because I said that Lizzo, for all intents and purposes, is not an American, as she is neither

02:47:27.100 European nor does she have American culture. Cooper took this completely out of context

02:47:33.020 to his following while he had me blocked, by the way, and he said, here is Mr. Turnipseed saying

02:47:38.380 that blacks can't be American because they're not European nor is black culture American.

02:47:43.020 black culture is completely irrelevant to the discussion

02:47:46.000 I made this clear to him that I was talking about Lizzo

02:47:49.040 and no person from even 30 years ago

02:47:52.700 would recognize Lizzo to be an American

02:47:54.900 if you were to go back to 1993

02:47:57.160 and show literally anyone a clip of Lizzo

02:48:00.420 they would not say yes this is an American

02:48:02.720 not a single person would 0.71

02:48:04.760 and that was the point I was making

02:48:06.280 Cooper doubled down and he said

02:48:08.720 so here's Ryan Turnipseed further doubling down

02:48:11.440 that Lizzo isn't an American. 0.86

02:48:14.840 So I guess that anyone that isn't

02:48:16.420 a Northeastern Anglo-Saxon Protestant

02:48:18.440 should just get out of the country. 0.90

02:48:20.280 That was a bad move on his part

02:48:21.680 because he obviously did not know

02:48:23.320 that the English side of my family

02:48:25.720 and the turnip seed German side

02:48:27.380 have been here since before the Seven Years' War.

02:48:30.480 So that insult landed flat.

02:48:33.180 Also, let me just say, on the Lizzo topic, 0.92

02:48:35.060 I could find you three black podcasts right now

02:48:38.460 that are probably talking about Lizzo

02:48:40.420 and saying, why are they doing this to us? 0.99

02:48:45.200 She's not an American culture. 0.99

02:48:46.800 Her culture is big bitch. 1.00

02:48:49.260 That's not a culture. 1.00

02:48:50.200 That's a state of non-being.

02:48:54.700 Exactly right.

02:48:55.680 And that was the point I was basically making.

02:48:58.340 And I make that for any other person for which this applies.

02:49:01.280 It doesn't just have to be Lizzo and a person with an audience.

02:49:04.080 If there is an American black,

02:49:06.200 and to an extent we were talking about this before the show, 0.97

02:49:09.440 an American white that acts them the same way, they would not be considered an American.

02:49:14.660 That whole naturalization act in the 1790s that said Europeans of good character are to be

02:49:23.440 permitted into the country to become citizens, of good character applies to everyone. So none of

02:49:30.300 these people by the founders would be seen as American. Whenever you get rid of the racial 0.99

02:49:34.320 requirement no one ever struck down the character requirement so of good character was still 1.00

02:49:39.780 basically applied no one wants a bunch of jackasses to live in the country and compose your

02:49:44.280 country up until apparently the modern day in which dr jordan b cooper and the rest of the uh 0.62

02:49:50.300 sort of moderate to left lutheran pastorate has decided they need to call me a racist and uh

02:49:56.120 going against lizzo is exactly the spark that they need i don't want to derail here you here but just

02:50:01.280 for a quick history lesson for everyone we white men we had our own lizzo her name was honey boo

02:50:08.720 boo and a lot of people don't remember this but i was there there was the same debate about whether

02:50:13.780 or not she was american i remember when we tried to give her to bella russ and they wouldn't take

02:50:18.320 her this was a few years ago people might not even remember but we've been through this so 0.62

02:50:23.860 black people got to figure out what country are you going to give lizzo to because it can't be

02:50:28.060 america and i i last year they tried mexico and mexico didn't it left them on red so mexico turns

02:50:36.420 you down where are you going i think and i hate to say this i think it's ukraine we're gonna see

02:50:41.000 how this shakes out sorry i i sincerely i would gladly put lizzo on the front lines in ukraine

02:50:46.700 to prove that uh black obese women can fight on the front lines too in the name of equality

02:50:51.340 Or even, you know, just have her around. 0.99

02:50:54.040 Just have her walk through a crater, you know?

02:50:58.980 And then just the kids can throw candy canes at her.

02:51:04.000 Or whatever candy they have in Ukraine.

02:51:06.240 It's probably some black licorice.

02:51:07.600 I don't know.

02:51:08.440 Yeah.

02:51:09.220 So that was a runaround that I had there.

02:51:12.260 Hans Feeney, who has sort of made a name for himself

02:51:15.980 because he runs a YouTube channel called The Lutheran Satire.

02:51:19.140 and I talk about all this in my article

02:51:21.700 people just blatantly

02:51:23.860 lying about me

02:51:24.780 that was publicly available at the time, there's more now

02:51:27.880 Hans Feeney from the Lutheran satire

02:51:29.820 he said that I grossly

02:51:31.680 misrepresented the catechism

02:51:33.180 I don't know how that is because

02:51:35.680 all of my screenshots included the entire

02:51:37.940 paragraph and sometimes the paragraph

02:51:39.540 beforehand

02:51:40.100 in fact, a couple of my screenshots

02:51:43.780 were the beginning paragraphs

02:51:45.820 of an essay

02:51:47.200 i don't know how i can misrepresent the essay by including you know sentence one through like 20

02:51:53.880 like did he misrepresent himself when he was writing it yeah there's entire half pages on

02:52:01.320 here sometimes even entire pages and this yeah this was the issue i had when i was making the

02:52:06.980 thread i was like okay i want to include as much of this as possible for a couple of reasons 0.57

02:52:11.520 because all of this is just jaw-droppingly idiotic half the time and also because I don't want to be

02:52:17.960 accused of taking things out of context. But also if I include too much text, I'm going to get hit 0.51

02:52:22.720 by some synod lawyer who's saying you broke the copyright or I'm going to just lose the audience

02:52:27.980 because there's too much text here, you know, wall of text posting. Thankfully, neither of those two

02:52:32.780 things happen. I'm just being accused of taking everything out of context, which I don't know how

02:52:38.180 that is um like at what point is there context do i have to include five paragraphs is that the

02:52:43.960 magic line where context suddenly appears four paragraphs two and a half three yeah well it's

02:52:49.200 like one example here just to maybe keep it in the the sexuality thing there's one part where

02:52:54.100 your tweet is look at this they got an opinion on transgenderism and literally a highlighted

02:52:59.560 paragraph here it says some christians sense themselves as the gender or sex opposite of

02:53:04.720 physical sex other christians are sexually attracted to individuals the same sex i don't

02:53:09.780 know like what's the the blurry hasty thing there it's like what what's this is what's so funny to

02:53:16.200 me and like the response to this from the those in in charge it seems so hastily done because it

02:53:23.580 would take two seconds to say oh look it's out of context well it's then what is the context and

02:53:28.280 it seems that they never provided a contextual correction. Would that be right?

02:53:33.820 Correct. I have had, I have since had one, one, a singular conversation where someone tried to

02:53:42.080 quite militantly at the time, tell me that I was wrong about the catechism. And I was basically

02:53:47.780 just reading off our confessional documents saying like, well, here's what the confessional

02:53:52.340 documents say. And then here's what the catechism says. The catechism leaves a lot of us out and

02:53:57.660 it's not said anywhere else in the essay. So I can only conclude that this is so poorly written

02:54:03.040 that it shouldn't be included, or it is wrong, and the person writing it didn't think that this

02:54:06.860 was necessary to include. And I was literally just told, no, you're wrong, because there's a

02:54:11.240 there's a phrase in Latin and Lutheran theology, which means that you're wrong. And I was like,

02:54:15.620 okay, but that wasn't in the essay. If I'm picking up this book to see what we think about things,

02:54:21.400 pastor. I'm not going to get what you just told me. So I've had one conversation where this person

02:54:30.020 quite rashly tried to explain how I was wrong. Didn't get much out of it. Didn't really go

02:54:38.020 anywhere after that. We got cut off halfway through. We'll get to this soon. But all these

02:54:42.080 people have accused me of taking things out of context, being hasty, rash, abusive, and all this

02:54:47.920 other stuff. Um, and I'm just going to tell everyone this now before we jump into the meat

02:54:52.440 of this. Um, anything that I've been accused of so far, if you want to understand this quickly

02:54:58.180 and fully, you can basically just assume that any of those accusations apply more to the other side

02:55:03.420 than they do to me. I'm not saying that to be prideful. I'm saying that because it is really

02:55:08.660 miraculous how every single thing that I keep being accused of magically happens to me by them

02:55:14.040 like two weeks later but i'm foreshadowing here we'll get to that um needless to say a lot of

02:55:21.320 people were being very uh strangely uh attached to this catechism after the president came out

02:55:30.220 and basically said we affirm this fully then all the usual like rear guard defenders for the 0.72

02:55:36.900 corporate senate came out and said yeah we agree wholeheartedly this not ryan guy's a nazi

02:55:42.380 um so that was up until early february then i want to say february 20th or february 21st so

02:55:51.580 a few weeks later um matthew harrison in the evening put out a letter secretly that made

02:56:01.080 its way onto facebook so didn't even use official channels to begin with he basically just handed it

02:56:06.140 to people and said, hey, distribute this as you see fitting. And in this letter, he unilaterally

02:56:13.140 condemns the alt-right. And what is the alt-right to Matthew Harrison? Well, the alt-right to Matthew

02:56:20.560 Harrison is anyone who is a National Socialist, who believes that homosexuals should be executed,

02:56:27.020 who believes that women can be property, who defend slavery, who defend genocide, and all

02:56:33.400 these other things. That's a really scary list of words that Harrison has read out here. Oh, who are

02:56:38.440 also against, like, interracial marriage and all this other stuff. Like, that's thrown in there as

02:56:43.360 well. And he spends multiple paragraphs saying, we steadfastly refute all of these things. The

02:56:50.200 alt-right has no place in the Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod. We have made great efforts to

02:56:55.440 reach out to all nations. And then, like, the next paragraph, he says, this came to my attention

02:57:01.840 because of the origins of the large catechism controversy, who themselves were alt-right.

02:57:07.440 That's paraphrasing. But in this letter that he indirectly put out, he calls all of the people

02:57:17.940 who initially raised complaints about the catechism alt-right racists and Nazis and misogynists and

02:57:24.060 all this other stuff. So that was strange. I was at my grandmother's birthday. We were eating dinner,

02:57:30.360 and this is what i remember distinctly um i hadn't checked anything for like a few hours up until

02:57:38.120 that point i asked one of my friends hey have i missed anything today they said nope it's been

02:57:42.920 quiet literally two minutes later they're like oh by the way here's this that just came out on

02:57:47.820 facebook but by the way lutheran gamer gate just dropped so um that dropped on facebook i took that

02:57:56.860 to my Twitter account, and I was just like, after affirming absolutely everything in the

02:58:00.800 large catechism, the president of the LCMS, Matthew Harrison, has condemned the alt-right

02:58:06.080 as being the origin of the large catechism controversy. I think that got like 102,000

02:58:12.220 views or something like that, which was pretty good. I've gotten a lot of help from people in

02:58:19.020 our sphere who've been, like, propagating a lot of the things that I've been putting out to people

02:58:23.600 who might be able to see this and do something about it. So that letter went out, and I just

02:58:29.220 thought, what on earth? In the span of a month, we went from being the conservative Lutheran

02:58:35.580 denomination, the historical Lutheran denomination. We were supposedly closer to the Reformation than

02:58:41.660 any Lutheran church in Germany was, because we were the immigrants that came over here before

02:58:46.040 they were forced to merge with who knows what other denominations. In the span of a month,

02:58:50.840 we went from that to soft peddling pedophilia affirming that entirely publishing a social

02:58:58.920 justice uh gentrification is a sin that's another thing that was included um racism is an is an

02:59:05.080 almost unforgivable sin all this other stuff yeah i just want to put an asterisk beside that for

02:59:10.100 people just to look that up if we don't get back to it a lot of talk about gentrification and urban

02:59:16.200 planning as being sinful. Right, and the people that wrote those essays were part of the Lutherans

02:59:23.120 for Racial Justice organization. The Black Clergy Caucus and the Lutherans for Racial Justice,

02:59:28.400 they both did very well for themselves. They got way more representation in this catechism than

02:59:33.560 any conservative group in the Synod did. I'm quite strange how that happened, but

02:59:37.920 anyways, this letter goes out, and I thought, wow, in the span of a month, this institution

02:59:42.620 really did just get completely captured that's it's insane how fast this move like you read about

02:59:48.260 other churches and it's like a new story for months and it's like oh this move has just been

02:59:54.700 made they've made it to this committee now and we'll have to see if they're going to really fall

02:59:58.320 this time or if it's like a conservative political organization they'll come out with like some soft

03:00:04.460 statement and then like three years later they're supporting the rainbow coalition all this other 0.62

03:00:08.980 stuff and it's like yeah they've been captured now after three years the lcms apparently looked

03:00:14.960 at all this stuff and they were like yeah we can do this in a month yeah what's staggering is it

03:00:20.720 seems very planned of course it's not like a slow graduation but also at the same time quite clumsy

03:00:27.800 like a lot of the response to this seems kind of haphazard and you know like it that part doesn't

03:00:34.100 seen planned so it's like they're they started off thinking they're machiavellian but then

03:00:38.480 they didn't they don't know what happens after you read the prints like what happens if people

03:00:42.900 call you out i fuck i don't know which i i can't comment on that once again because i i don't have

03:00:49.520 any proof of that um it just seems likely given what has happened publicly and i put that out 0.78

03:00:56.840 there and we had the usual uh you know regime loyalist types that were saying oh this guy just

03:01:04.080 said that people at the origin were alt-right nazis who should be excommunicated i mean you

03:01:09.160 shouldn't be taking offense to this if you don't think you yourself are an alt-right nazi who

03:01:13.080 should be excommunicated and i'm like i'm i'm not so stupid as to think he's not talking about me

03:01:18.940 here yeah i was going to ask you um and this might be a bit of a tangent but um there might 0.65

03:01:26.460 be a dimension to this that some people at least for me i want to know like you had heard about

03:01:31.320 this for example when you're at your grandmother's birthday party and if you were willing i was

03:01:36.520 wondering from your perspective what is the you know where the rubber meets the road your life

03:01:42.420 how has this impacted your life because it must not be easy like you don't strike me as the guy 0.93

03:01:47.360 who runs in with a sledgehammer trying to cause problems like you're some kind of dimes you know 0.99

03:01:53.420 just for just to be a son of a bitch like you but it is your real name it is your face out there 0.97

03:01:59.480 and your family i assume is in the church as well and they must be aware of this and what 0.94

03:02:04.680 has it been like for you give that time because we'll talk about that very soon well we'll get

03:02:12.340 to just how this has impacted me personally um because that's i don't know how long you have

03:02:18.020 devoted to this but that's going to be a uh that's going to be a good chunk of this if you allow it

03:02:23.820 oh yes i'd love to yeah okay so um that letter goes out and this is still all in the article

03:02:30.500 that i posted on gab um and okay hold on wait before we move on from that uh that letter all

03:02:36.280 those scary things that i read out we condemn genocide and nazism and anti-semitism and

03:02:41.120 anti-miscegenation and all this other stuff um there's just one slight problem with condemning

03:02:48.260 all of those things in and of themselves as being evil um and that issue is we have direct record of

03:02:54.660 god doing like half of those things in the old testament was god just evil then and not or not

03:03:00.880 evil then and now he is and that's why he doesn't do it anymore is that is that what we're saying

03:03:05.280 did god's sensibilities change this was something that really struck me and sorry to interrupt but

03:03:09.940 But just because I think some people, if they haven't connected the dots, that it seems that this, you know, additive stuff to the Lutheran church is condemning much of the Lutheran church itself, especially when it comes to the topic of women and the role of women.

03:03:25.660 And so if they're calling your objections alt-right and Nazi-ish, that would seem to

03:03:33.800 imply that the Lutheran Church up until, I guess, last year was also a Nazified entity.

03:03:40.920 And maybe that's where they're going with this. 0.81

03:03:44.300 Maybe the end goal is a complete deconstruction of the Lutheran Church, and maybe that's the

03:03:50.980 only way to reconcile this from their end. 0.81

03:03:52.740 but it seems that they're damning themselves by damning you so hard.

03:03:57.400 That wouldn't shock me, but, you know, let's just play theologian here, or historicist here for a

03:04:05.320 second, and we'll just decouple my objections here, and we will just face what they are condemning on

03:04:11.140 their own. We'll take the hardest possible position. Can we say that owning women as

03:04:17.120 property is actually not sinful? Well, the Lutheran Church apparently thought that it

03:04:22.060 wasn't sinful because they didn't denounce it when it was part of American law up until the 1970s.

03:04:28.480 If I remember correctly, I believe that it's the state of Louisiana had coverture law

03:04:32.620 still on the books up until the 1970s, coverture law being that women take the name of their

03:04:39.700 father or their husband, and that's the legal title. So, you know, the women is property and 0.96

03:04:45.460 common law. The Lutherans certainly did not condemn this in practice in the continents or

03:04:51.480 in early America before the 1970s, so obviously they were silent on evil or tacitly supported it

03:04:58.060 or vocally supported it. Is saying that women can be held as property an evil statement? Well,

03:05:05.200 most of Christian history seems to imply that most people didn't have a problem with it,

03:05:09.520 and I certainly can't find somewhere in scripture where it says,

03:05:12.320 and he who holds his wife as his property shall be condemned to hell.

03:05:17.820 Like, that's not in the book.

03:05:19.620 It's not in the catechisms.

03:05:21.780 I don't even think it's in any church's catechism. 0.88

03:05:23.840 Maybe the Methodists. 0.54

03:05:26.200 So, that's just one example. 0.96

03:05:29.700 And we'll take the absolute hardest thing here.

03:05:32.580 Genocide.

03:05:34.720 Surely, any genocide that is ever committed is evil in and of itself, right?

03:05:39.700 Right. Well, I seem to recall God omniciding the earth in a flood, like all but one family.

03:05:53.840 That's multiple genocides at the very least.

03:05:57.400 He thought some steps had to be taken.

03:06:01.120 So was God evil there?

03:06:04.580 I don't know how many races he wiped out there, but it was all but one family.

03:06:09.700 if so if genocide if we are saying genocide is evil in and of itself

03:06:14.380 god has at least sinned in the flood i don't know how many times

03:06:19.180 so we'll take another one as well um he condemns white supremacy

03:06:26.840 um so this is interesting for the lcms's history in particular um because the lcms was seen as a

03:06:36.180 very radically conservative church in the Civil War, 1861 to 1865, and in the Civil Rights

03:06:43.520 Movement. Because in both conflicts, even though the moderates in the Synod called themselves

03:06:49.860 moderates, they usually came out nationally on the very conservative side. So in the Civil War,

03:06:56.020 the first president of the LCMS, his name was CFW Walther, he wrote multiple defenses

03:07:03.220 of slavery as a civil institution, not saying it was a good necessarily, but saying that it was not

03:07:08.520 evil, and instead saying that abolitionism, which holds slavery to be a moral evil, is itself an

03:07:15.040 evil, because it is making a sin where there is none, is what he said. So, first president of the

03:07:20.640 LCMS here, I guess he's just cast into hell immediately, because that's very obviously

03:07:24.480 white supremacist and defending slavery, both of which are now condemned in the LCMS.

03:07:29.280 And then we get to the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960s.

03:07:33.800 Well, the moderates in the LCMS advocated for keeping the anti-miscegenation laws up in the South.

03:07:42.360 The liberals in the LCMS said that if there are prohibitions on interracial marriage in the States, you have to follow the law morally. 0.58

03:07:53.040 So, all of these moderates and liberals in the Civil Rights era, I guess, were just not real Christians.

03:07:58.360 they're also in hell they have been condemned by our great modern knowledge

03:08:02.800 and i can't even think of what the conservatives are where they are i mean they they were against

03:08:08.700 the civil rights movement to begin with they were saying that it was the work of uh of demons and

03:08:13.660 the work of secularists i mean they're they're in double hell at this point i thought only us

03:08:21.040 catholics had double hell so i mean that those are some of the heart you like you read that thing

03:08:27.920 and you're like, oh, well, this sounds reasonable. I mean, yeah, Christians should obviously be able

03:08:32.940 to say without any reservations, genocide is a sin in and of itself. Well, if you read scripture

03:08:39.440 and you try to apply this, because sin is sin, God is unchanging. If something is against God's

03:08:45.660 will now, like fornication, it was against God's will 4,000 years ago. You know, there's no time

03:08:53.700 in which fornication was not a sin.

03:08:56.440 If genocide has always been a sin,

03:08:59.680 I guess God himself committed sin.

03:09:01.740 He broke from his own will

03:09:03.160 whenever he killed every single person

03:09:05.800 on the face of the earth,

03:09:07.220 except for Noah and his family.

03:09:11.040 Like, that's how these people have been operating.

03:09:14.680 They are relying on you not to think about

03:09:16.560 what they are writing,

03:09:18.360 especially in this letter,

03:09:19.480 not to actually read what has been said

03:09:21.580 and think back you know is this really correct like can we say that anyone who advocates for

03:09:29.100 owning women as property is condemned to hell well that doesn't seem to line up with scripture

03:09:34.100 they're relying on you not to have that thought process because if you do you're going to see how

03:09:38.700 hastily written this is well and also if you were in charge of the church this would be the sort of

03:09:45.920 theological debate that you might welcome, but to shut down that debate, I don't want to sound too

03:09:52.240 extreme, but it sounds like, I don't know these leaders, obviously, but it sounds like they have

03:09:57.120 no interest in this sort of theological debate. And it's almost like they're going out of their

03:10:04.020 way to deconstruct the church. I keep returning to that phrase, but it's like they don't even

03:10:08.760 want to talk. That is an interesting thing to talk about, but it's like they're trying to rework

03:10:13.460 the very dna of it right and you can see where their loyalties lie because in 2020 we got a

03:10:22.740 crying eulogy from matthew harrison the president of the lcms over george floyd we got barely a

03:10:30.720 condemnation of black lives matter only the radical wing is what got condemned no actions

03:10:37.100 were taken of course we still have clergy that will march in blm marches in their collars saying

03:10:42.860 they're part of the LCMS. They can still do that. But whenever laymen from, like, Oklahoma or the

03:10:51.380 South or wherever anyone else might be, those brave anons that were in that discussion,

03:10:57.960 they can't do that. They need to have, like, four letters written against them by the president

03:11:03.560 himself where he just invents new sinful categories. And at that point, I guess they,

03:11:11.080 you know, we can't tolerate that, but we can tolerate our own clergy marching for BLM and

03:11:16.160 defending Roe v. Wade and all this other stuff. So that's just where the Senate is. Forgive me

03:11:21.400 if I don't think that they're being genuine and goodwilled here. In fact, I might think they're

03:11:26.400 being malicious towards a certain group of people that are more conservative in their theology and

03:11:31.320 politics. But that was this letter. And we'll keep this story short just because it's laid

03:11:38.320 out in multiple other places on his own website and on my piece at Gab, but they immediately

03:11:43.760 moved against Corey Mahler, and he tried to show up to his own church on a Sunday morning.

03:11:49.680 There was police there. He was not allowed into the church. He has not been allowed into the church,

03:11:53.460 and then only after this did they excommunicate him when he was not even present to give a defense.

03:11:58.800 He was not present to explain himself. They barred him from the church on pain of law enforcement,

03:12:04.880 and I'm supposed to expect that this is a legitimate outcome, a legitimate process of 0.68

03:12:10.800 saying that this person is not in the body of Christ. I don't. Like, at this point, the LCMS

03:12:18.540 is stricter in its excommunication right than Rome was in the Reformation.

03:12:25.380 Martin Luther had a chance to defend himself in front of cardinals.

03:12:28.960 some guy in the united states south though uh he can't be allowed to speak in front of his church

03:12:37.520 we have to get law enforcement here i'm i was dumbfounded when i saw it like at this point

03:12:44.760 if we used roman procedure papal procedure i think that we probably would have gotten a fairer

03:12:51.680 outcome because he would have been able to defend himself so it's like they're trying to make

03:12:57.320 examples out of him and i perhaps to a lesser or equal extent yourself as well and well we'll get

03:13:04.200 there we'll hold on yeah we're getting there so mauler's much harder to defend i mean that's fine

03:13:10.240 i i disagree with a great number of his views um contrary to the belief of pastors who are uh

03:13:17.720 willing to just lie about people if it gets the uh dopamine hit they're seeking on twitter

03:13:23.940 I do not defend Mahler because I just agree with him on, like, everything.

03:13:28.360 I defend Mahler because I don't think his excommunication was legitimate

03:13:31.340 because they barred him from the church with police officers.

03:13:35.700 We have multiple sections in our Lutheran confessional documents

03:13:39.960 which warn against mixing civil authority with church discipline.

03:13:45.920 So, I don't think that was legitimate.

03:13:48.760 I don't think any Lutheran reformer or forefather would find that legitimate, 0.52

03:13:55.280 and that's why I so staunchly stand on that hill.

03:13:59.060 It's not because I just so terribly agree with Mahler and want him to take over the world

03:14:03.300 or something stupid like that that I've been accused of.

03:14:05.880 It's because I actually care about getting the correct process, the correct discussion. 1.00

03:14:11.380 I want to hear exactly why it is that he is not a Christian 0.94

03:14:15.240 and why he should be cast out of the body of Christ,

03:14:17.640 and I want him to explain why the charges are wrong.

03:14:21.280 We don't get that.

03:14:22.400 We get people from on high telling us,

03:14:25.420 well, actually, you know, this is supposed to be the church's authority,

03:14:28.660 but we've been told by the president we need to get rid of Nazis,

03:14:32.020 and Mr. Mahler, you're a Nazi.

03:14:33.600 We aren't going to give you the opportunity to defend yourself

03:14:36.140 because Nazis shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves,

03:14:38.540 and that means you're not a Christian anymore.

03:14:41.220 So I don't like it one bit.

03:14:45.420 That's what's happened.

03:14:46.380 you can find more and actual details elsewhere. That's just the summary. Also at this point in

03:14:53.420 time, and this is in the article as well, there was an elder at a church who was removed from

03:15:01.740 his elder position because he was also branded as involved in this catechism controversy and

03:15:08.520 also being a member of the alt-right. So they went after that guy. And then it came to me.

03:15:18.100 So just before we get here, at this point, two other people that I had on stream with me for

03:15:25.280 this catechism stuff have been gone after by their own churches. And I get a message on March 4th,

03:15:32.840 uh seven o'clock p.m from my pastor and he says Ryan are you available to talk either after

03:15:41.560 Sunday school tomorrow or Thursday evening of this coming week and I said I'm in Arkansas

03:15:48.020 tomorrow and on Thursday I'll be attending a discussion until about 7 30 p.m in Stillwater

03:15:52.620 and then he says what about after 7 30 Thursday in Stillwater Stillwater is the place where I am

03:15:57.840 in Oklahoma. And I say, I believe that'll work if you're all willing to spend the proper time on it

03:16:03.180 and not cut it short due to it being late. What's being talked about here? What is this meaning

03:16:08.460 they're wanting? Well, I don't quite know yet. And so I have to go talk to another pastor that's

03:16:18.220 going to be sitting in on this discussion, at least as I could surmise, because when this text

03:16:23.120 message was sent. It was sent to me, that other pastor, and then a guy from my church. And I

03:16:30.520 thought, okay, this is just the people that are going to be at this discussion for me. I can see

03:16:34.860 the writing on the wall. They're going to try to get me to do something in line with this alt-right

03:16:39.760 letter, the kind of what happened to Corey and that elder at the other church that was on my stream.

03:16:44.480 but they haven't told me that yet. So basically three days later, March 7th, my pastor gets back

03:16:54.400 to me and he says, we have a narrowed agenda for this meeting so we will need to wrap up by 9 p.m.

03:16:59.840 at the latest. If there's anything you would like clarification on or anything that you

03:17:03.460 would like to talk about, we can of course set a time to meet about that as well. So he's wanting

03:17:08.760 a separate meeting to get clarification for the meeting that they are going to have me go in for.

03:17:14.480 At which point, and this is two days before the actual meeting, at this point I basically just ask, I ask the question, will I be informed of the agenda and its origins before the meeting?

03:17:26.720 And he says, yes, we are deeply concerned about your online activity.

03:17:30.640 And my response immediately afterwards is, any specifics?

03:17:35.000 This is all happening at 11 in the morning.

03:17:39.060 He says, that's what we will get into.

03:17:40.560 and i say this and this is where all the conversation stopped i just get left on red

03:17:47.020 um he says or i say in every other situation the list of concerns is made known to the other side

03:17:52.640 at the least to make the event look legitimate and at most to make the other side let the other

03:17:57.460 side prepare in good faith it's like they're setting you up almost for a firing like this is

03:18:02.100 rarely done like this like and this is a church by the way this is a you know pastors talking to

03:18:08.820 their own flock. That's what was said to me. Two days before this meeting, deeply concerned about

03:18:16.240 my online activity. So, it's either that week or the week beforehand. I would have to check

03:18:23.440 specifics to see when that was. Actually, I think it was that week. I met with the other pastor that

03:18:29.860 those messages were sent to, and I basically asked him, what on earth is going on? And he says, well,

03:18:35.400 our district president, this is the first red flag, I'll get there in a second,

03:18:41.180 our district president is giving advice to your pastor because you seem to be too

03:18:47.700 deeply involved with people online. And I say, all right, who? And he proceeds to list off all

03:18:54.520 the people that I had on stream to talk about the catechism. That's a red flag to start with

03:19:00.600 because the way that things are supposed to work in this church body is that the higher-ups don't

03:19:05.820 bring charges against you. People in your church bring charges against you, and it only works its

03:19:12.280 way up if things don't work well. So we aren't top-down, and here we are being told that the

03:19:18.180 district president for Oklahoma, his name is Narens, is giving advice to my pastor about how

03:19:24.220 to, you know, basically discipline me, if it comes to it, about my online involvement.

03:19:33.280 And the exact words that he used was, I'm getting too cozy with those people that I had on the

03:19:38.360 stream. So that's a very clear scriptural, biblical category. You can't be too cozy with

03:19:45.300 certain people. I remember that passage in the Acts of the Apostles. I don't know about you.

03:19:51.240 so i'm getting too cozy with these people um and they're these people are evil and non-christian

03:19:59.420 because they're part of the alt-right and i asked this pastor can you tell me what the alt-right is

03:20:04.920 because i i remember back in 2017 when that's all the media would talk about and not a single one

03:20:10.760 of them could define the alt-right in any capacity at all and this pastor just looks at me and he

03:20:15.960 says uh no i i can't define what the alt-right is we're off to a great start i'm too cozy with

03:20:23.860 alt-rightists who we don't even know what the alt-right is so we're off to a very great start

03:20:29.640 um and this we keep going and he tells me um you're going to be asked to um denounce these

03:20:37.560 people and i say you know there am i going to be asked to denounce their opinions am i going to be

03:20:43.200 asked to denounce them in totality and he basically just says i don't know what you mean i was just

03:20:49.020 like well are you guys going to put opinions in front of me to denounce or are you just going to

03:20:54.440 say you can't associate with these people anymore and i think he basically just has the second option

03:20:59.680 most likely i think all right all right um are you now or have you ever been a fan of sargon of

03:21:08.680 a cod yeah yeah or have you ever been a fan of an anonymous twitter account yeah so um so that's

03:21:17.480 what's happening here and i ask one question that may seem like it's deflecting but in reality i'm

03:21:22.740 just trying to see if they're doing this uh because they believe in it or if they're doing

03:21:26.300 this just to get people i asked them are you going to go after uh anyone that votes blue

03:21:31.600 in the elections um because those people are directly supporting abortion being enshrined

03:21:37.680 into law um they commune at your altars if they vote for that if they vote for them and you don't

03:21:43.340 know about it you just keep commuting them um so are you going to go after abortion supporters are

03:21:48.260 you going to go after people who are part of like racial communist groups like the blm group um and

03:21:55.180 the guy looks at me funny and he says that has nothing to do with this i'm not going to persecute

03:21:58.840 democrats only the online anons okay all right so this uh this all seems pretty uh

03:22:05.920 uh, pretty, uh, pretty, uh, above board. You know, this is exactly what I'd expect a church

03:22:12.260 to do and it's proper disciplinary procedures. Um, and that's, that's really the only important

03:22:18.520 thing to come out of that. Um, surprisingly unprepared that that's the vibe I get from

03:22:24.460 this, like to go in to a meeting like this, this is a one-on-one with that, without one pastor.

03:22:30.740 so this is beforehand so i can get the charges set up um but yes i'm unprepared

03:22:35.940 sorry i didn't mean to cut you no no no that's right i was just gonna say like if they're

03:22:41.240 accusing you of being something you should know what that something is and i guess that was one

03:22:46.560 of the questions i had was um we can kind of discern that this is coming from the top where

03:22:53.620 there shouldn't be a top right and did you get the sense that a lot of the other you know pastors

03:22:59.840 are kind of just falling in line do you get the sense that there's people just repeating things

03:23:04.380 without knowing what they mean all right that was just my question so so what what's the what

03:23:10.460 happened next um so i i get those things i ask a bunch more questions which is basically just

03:23:15.540 reiterations of are you just going after these people that showed up on my stream plus me or

03:23:20.320 are you going to just purge the church of people that are voting for sinful policies and stuff like

03:23:25.440 that. Because I'm not sure quite how I feel about the second one, but I feel like if that's what it

03:23:31.620 would be, it would be a little bit more fair, a little bit more biblical. You know, we're going

03:23:35.060 to purge abortionists and national socialists and whatnot else. You know, I'm sure that they

03:23:41.680 could probably screw up somewhere in there on either side, but a little bit more even-handed,

03:23:46.180 a little bit more fairer than we're going to go after four people that criticized our precious

03:23:51.100 catechism. So I ask more iterations of that question, and I get the exact same answers,

03:23:57.720 no, we aren't talking about other people here, we're talking about you and your associations.

03:24:03.660 Okay, that's not contradictory in one sentence, but that's the charge, is I'm associated with

03:24:10.540 people, and they don't like it, so they are going to basically tell me to disassociate or else.

03:24:16.480 what I was told. So, get to the meeting. Let me see. It was that Thursday. I believe it was the

03:24:25.620 first full week of March. Let me just get the date down. Should have been like March 9th,

03:24:30.720 if I remember correctly. So, March 9th, I arrive at church. I get greeted. Both the pastors are

03:24:41.520 there, and two people that I had no clue were going to be there were also there. Two elders

03:24:48.320 from my home church. Not the other guy at my church that was included in that group text,

03:24:54.780 but, you know, just two other guys. Okay, we're off to a great start now. I had to search on my

03:25:01.160 own for the charges for this meeting, and now there's just random people here. We're off to a

03:25:07.120 great start. This is how a good faith discussion is carried out. We don't tell people who's going

03:25:12.380 to be there or what the charges are, what the discussion is. Are there even charges? Who knows?

03:25:17.840 Well, I'm here now. There's new people here. We sit down. My pastor leads us in a prayer.

03:25:25.860 And the first thing that he basically asks me is, do you know why we're here? And I said, well,

03:25:32.580 he said something about online involvement, but you didn't quite tell me much else.

03:25:35.640 and he said yes we are deeply concerned about your online involvement and i asked him well uh

03:25:40.900 what do you mean and i went silent for a little bit and he basically asks or no he doesn't he

03:25:46.220 directly asks do you trust me and this whole thing's got the vibe of a mafia hit and i kind

03:25:56.200 of go silent for a little bit because i wasn't expecting to just be hit with do you trust me

03:26:00.540 right at the outset um you know that's there are two reasons why you would ask that one would be

03:26:07.220 as a veiled threat you know the mafia hit thing i don't think that's what they're doing

03:26:12.220 the other one would be they're worried about their own legitimacy and so they have to ask

03:26:16.760 do you trust us are you willing to devote yourself to you know they didn't say that last part but

03:26:23.100 um he asks do you trust me and i stop and think for a second and i basically or i say as a pastor

03:26:31.720 you know you you're my pastor so i have to trust you in that regard and he says well that's not

03:26:38.780 really the most ringing endorsement i said it's more than i can say about other pastors

03:26:43.140 um and he moves on he didn't like dwelling on that one um he then says that i'm being drawn

03:26:52.020 into evil by my associations, and I have been retweeting and appearing on podcasts with

03:26:59.000 evil people, and they are deeply concerned about that, and they are saying that I would

03:27:05.800 need to ponder completely disassociating with these people and stop retweeting them and

03:27:10.340 all this other stuff, or else.

03:27:14.540 And I don't quite ask what the or else is yet, what I do ask is, okay, what's the evil

03:27:21.540 here?

03:27:22.020 because when I say they've accused me of just being with evil people, that's all they said.

03:27:27.400 You're with evil people. So I ask, what's the evil? And basically what my pastor does

03:27:35.280 is he reads one-line paraphrases of his own charges against Cory Mahler. And he says,

03:27:44.740 Cory Mahler is a Nazi. He believes that women are property. He believes that the

03:27:51.120 leadership of the Missouri Synod is demonic. He believes that slavery is not sinful. He believes

03:27:59.840 that homosexuals should receive a death penalty, and he just keeps going and keeps going.

03:28:05.100 And I basically just say, all right, what does this have to do with me? Those aren't the exact

03:28:11.040 words I use. That's basically what I said. And he went on to explain to me that, oh, you're giving

03:28:16.040 them a platform and as a result um you are just as evil because that means you fully support

03:28:24.240 everything that they have said to which i that's sort of like rules for radicals shit like this is

03:28:30.880 right out of a leftist playbook you hear this from bread tube all the time and i had to take a deep

03:28:37.760 breath, think a little bit, and I said, I shouldn't have to tell you this, Pastor, but just because I

03:28:46.480 talk to people, or even share a tweet that they have said, does not mean that I 100% support them

03:28:54.180 in everything. But enough of that, can you explain to me why any of those things that you just read

03:29:00.380 off are wrong? Because by this point in time, my Gab article had gone out, and half that article

03:29:04.660 is dedicated to me saying, I don't think Harrison's

03:29:06.820 correct here. I don't think you can condemn

03:29:08.900 all these things as explicitly

03:29:10.660 sinful, because God does them.

03:29:13.420 So, I

03:29:14.780 ask,

03:29:16.720 can you explain to me

03:29:18.260 why these things are evil?

03:29:21.060 What specifically was said?

03:29:22.740 And I get told, no, no, we're not going to go

03:29:24.900 through this line by line so that you can litigate

03:29:27.000 all of it. These things

03:29:28.820 are evil, you know that, and

03:29:30.840 we are going to have to ask you to

03:29:32.600 disavow them, is the word that they used.

03:29:37.340 And I said, you want me to disavow statements then? And they said, no, no.

03:29:41.480 We want you to disavow their persons. And this is a direct quote.

03:29:45.300 Because their persons are evil.

03:29:49.780 And I was dumbfounded. I thought to myself,

03:29:52.980 what on earth does that mean? Their persons are evil.

03:29:56.460 okay so that's a new charge i asked them to explain what that means and they

03:30:03.600 they seem to think or they are tactically thinking that i'm playing dumb and they say

03:30:10.360 you know what that means to which i have to say no no i don't know what that means can you explain

03:30:14.460 what you are saying and they say these people believe evil things their persons are evil

03:30:18.860 um at this point in time i think i said well you know it's very difficult to get for one person

03:30:29.880 to get everything 100 wrong i don't think that a person's a person can be evil like the whole

03:30:37.720 person cannot just be evil and that's it like i'm not exactly an optimist about humans either

03:30:43.840 like i am fully in support of original sin that exists yeah so people are evil is are their whole

03:30:51.700 person evil though i i don't think that that's true i think that there are good in people i think

03:30:57.880 it's put there by god sure but i i i would be very hard pressed to find someone that is 100% evil

03:31:04.460 with absolutely no good at all i think in fact we would stop calling those people people and

03:31:10.300 start calling them demons well because it begs the question would you be allowed to try and convert

03:31:16.500 a satanist well we'll get into that that that's a big thing that will be picked up on later but

03:31:24.280 the thing that i'm focusing on is like what where do you draw the line you know at what point is too

03:31:29.360 much evil to where you have to say this this guy's person is evil and they don't have an answer but

03:31:36.600 they insist on the charge well the con them he's called this person a demon at that point well

03:31:42.580 without using the word right so he's come up with it you don't find anywhere in scripture this this

03:31:49.400 guy's person is evil it's just not there so they've come up with this new category that's

03:31:55.520 replaced demon and they are expecting me to like denounce everything about it and i basically end

03:32:04.240 up, I forget how exactly I worded it, but I end up saying, you know, I've retweeted and had on

03:32:10.580 podcasts and been on podcasts with much more radical people who you would in a heartbeat know

03:32:16.680 that they probably 95% think evil things. You know, I've been on podcasts with like neo-pagan

03:32:24.000 national socialists or whatever. You know, I've talked to these people. I've retweeted. I don't

03:32:30.520 know who. I don't check profiles before I retweet something that's good. I'm a psychopath. I retweet

03:32:37.320 something because I find it agreeable and I want other people to see it. And when I'm elaborating

03:32:42.980 this, they say, oh, well, just use your common sense, you know? And immediately alarm bells go

03:32:49.880 off in my mind. Why is it that I can talk to more radical people and they just say, use your common

03:32:57.160 since um but i associate with people that i've had on my podcast to critique the large catechism

03:33:03.520 and they i have to do to denounce and uh disavow their persons as evil

03:33:08.840 uh that doesn't line up for me immediately like red flags were being hoisted high at that point

03:33:14.840 in time i mean look you're on podcasts with unironic canadians which is against the will of

03:33:20.020 god like i've been on a podcast with thomas 777 multiple times at this point i think um i don't

03:33:31.400 think he's evil i think he's a very good christian i know that there are a ton of people that would

03:33:35.860 stab him in the back immediately because he is too cozy uh with uh national socialist imagery

03:33:42.020 and all this other stuff well if not something i care about um i'm not going to condemn every

03:33:47.800 single National Socialist because they're National Socialists. I don't think that's a

03:33:50.940 condemnable position in and of itself. He is by far much more radical than Corey,

03:33:56.920 Whoa, any of the people that I've had on that catechism stream. And they just say,

03:34:02.780 use your common sense. Oh, okay. Yeah. So this is about radicalism. I'm being sucked into radicalism.

03:34:08.840 But the most, I throw the name of the most radical guy that I've talked to at you and you

03:34:14.120 just say use common sense, but the catechism critics is a step too far. Right. So, at this

03:34:19.840 point, I have completely written off any of this being done in good faith. This is, in my mind,

03:34:24.240 a hit about the catechism. You know, they are seeking some form of retribution about, you know,

03:34:31.060 critics of the catechism, and that was the only proof that I needed right there. If they were

03:34:36.860 about, you're being sucked into radicalism and that's what's got us concerned, they would not

03:34:41.940 have just said oh use common sense but anyways that cory mauler guy what they would have said

03:34:46.080 is oh my god it's worse and they didn't do it so um they they've completely contradicted their

03:34:54.720 own statement here uh that this is about radicalism and that comes up again um i ask

03:35:00.400 them how have i become more radical and they say oh it's just everywhere your timeline and this is

03:35:06.280 direct quote your timeline has gone dark it's full of hatred i say all right if it's full of

03:35:12.240 hatred can you provide an example you have your laptop out can you uh can you show me how how i've

03:35:18.240 just got sucked into this evil dark hatred it's just everywhere can you show proof i it's just

03:35:25.940 it's all over the place on your timeline quotes pastor quotes can you show me the quotes that i

03:35:30.660 have been sucked into radicalism and then the other one of the other guys interjects and we

03:35:35.540 never get back on topic. So, um, so far the only thing that they have directly brought against me

03:35:41.260 that is not another person that I'm just associated with is my timeline has become dark

03:35:46.280 and they can't back it up at all. So the charges are, I have become more radical

03:35:53.860 with no proof, uh, upon being pressed like four times, no proof. And I am guilty by association.

03:36:01.140 Those are the two charges. And they would admit to that second one, um, because I asked them

03:36:05.360 you know, I ask them once again, you know, put statements in front of me, and I will tell you

03:36:11.360 which ones I unequivocally disagree with. And they tell me, no, that is not good enough. We need you

03:36:17.700 to disavow their persons. So guilt by association there, and it's not going to be remedied unless I

03:36:24.420 disavow their persons as evil. And at about this point in time, oh, I should have mentioned this

03:36:31.220 earlier, when they were listing off the people on the catechism stream, and this is important for

03:36:35.340 a different reason i ask is there anyone else that you all want me to disavow and they tell

03:36:41.880 me luthemplar uh cringe walker uh you guys buy a different name now he's the uh restoration

03:36:48.360 bureau gentleman um you probably come across him yeah yeah we're actually going to have him uh we

03:36:55.200 did an interview with him that's going to air next week as well um and this kind of comes up

03:37:00.080 not very much but it came up a little bit so they say that i have to completely disassociate with him

03:37:06.400 because he too is one of these scary alt-right nazis in the senate i bet he'd love to hear that

03:37:12.200 too so he can and i this is this is very telling because if you listen to mr luthemplar any time

03:37:22.920 after that catechism was reaffirmed you can tell he is most certainly with not within the lcms he

03:37:28.700 is a roman catholic he's not a nazi because he's jewish and he's not even that radical

03:37:35.000 he's more moderate than i am so we've got a very telling thing here why on earth would they tell

03:37:43.880 me to disassociate from luthemplar he wasn't even involved with the catechism stuff what yeah he's

03:37:49.680 not involved he wasn't on the stream at all was he no he wasn't on it at all so what on earth did

03:37:55.760 they mean about this? Well, and this is important, think back a little bit. Think back to February.

03:38:02.060 This interrogation is happening in March. Go back to February. Basically, after the catechism is

03:38:09.840 reaffirmed, back in early February, February 2nd if I remember correctly, a few days later,

03:38:16.580 there is a Twitter account activated called Mekaira Action. And then I believe around the

03:38:23.900 same time on no blogs which is an antifa website you have to be a verified antifa organization to

03:38:29.320 post on there to have your own domain or whatever it is i don't know how technology works um they

03:38:34.900 make a mckayra action dot blog spot or something like that or dot no blogs or something like that

03:38:40.140 they they have their own uh publishing medium now days after this catechism is catechism is

03:38:47.100 reaffirmed. About a week later, mid-early February, we get a giant dossier from the Kyra Action about

03:38:56.140 how white supremacy and Nazism is infiltrating the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, and it's all

03:39:01.420 going down to this Cory Mahler fellow. And the whole thing is a giant exposition against Cory

03:39:07.800 Mahler. And they lump in a few names in with it as well. Antifa. This is Antifa. We know this is

03:39:14.260 antifa they cannot have published this on no blogs if they were not antifa and they have the

03:39:21.220 exact same language they have the exact same giveaways they have the exact same tactics

03:39:25.560 so cory mauler is in this dossier who else is in there uh whoa treble whoa eschatology however you

03:39:32.880 know him the other guy on the catechism stream i'm in there i'm called the lutheran uh the lutheran

03:39:38.860 fascist shock jock or whatever they call me and they uh they take a post from my telegram

03:39:46.680 and it was a world history course that i was taking in high school and on it they were trying

03:39:52.720 to explain what fascism is and the three points that they had was fascism is when you solidify

03:39:58.260 gender roles ban divorce and ban homosexuality and i posted that on my telegram and i said flashback

03:40:05.020 to that time that my that my high school made me a fascist obviously a joke because that's just

03:40:10.200 every human society up until like 200 years ago but you know my audience got that makai reaction

03:40:15.780 didn't they were saying look he's a self-declared fascist he believes that divorce shouldn't just be 0.57

03:40:22.440 no fault so um yeah that's the one thing that you know the those uh concentration camps was for

03:40:29.960 the divorcees yeah yeah so i'm on there and right at the end luthemplar is on this antifa dox

03:40:39.540 against cory mauler we'll get back to why this is important but back to my interrogation early

03:40:46.920 march i'm told to disassociate from cory mauler whoa uh that elder potentially as like a second

03:40:54.240 agree he's associated with Nazis, so you can't associate with him anymore. And Luthemplar. So,

03:41:01.660 I'm sure you can connect the dots now about how this is coming together. It might be shocking to

03:41:05.900 some people. My god, a conservative church is going off of Antifa information? Yes. There is

03:41:12.760 literally no other reason that they would have told me to disassociate from Luthemplar. By their

03:41:18.200 own statements, the only people they are going after are people within the LCMS that are considered

03:41:23.760 too radical that I'm associated with. Well, all of those things apply to Luther and Clark,

03:41:28.380 except he is not within the LCMS, and he makes that abundantly clear.

03:41:32.840 Literally four seconds, scrolling through his feed, anytime he talks about religion,

03:41:37.440 he will talk about as a Catholic, as a Roman Catholic, as a Papist, as an Eastern Catholic,

03:41:44.580 whatever he is talking about that day. He said multiple times, I have not set foot in a Lutheran

03:41:49.240 church in like five years so the only reason that luthemplar would have been included

03:41:55.500 in this list of people for me to disavow as evil is if these pastors are using as their information

03:42:03.180 the antifa dossier that's the only way yeah which is significant because that's a very niche group

03:42:09.720 as well it's not like they just read something off of cnn and they're just being kind of boomer

03:42:14.080 framed about it like it it's kind of baffling to me that they would even have access to that or

03:42:19.660 have an interest in that you know right and it does seem baffling until you check mckayra actions

03:42:26.000 follow list um and i did this a few days after it was formed whenever i was made aware of it

03:42:32.120 and before they had published anything they were being followed by one of the um executives within

03:42:38.860 the Oklahoma district, like on the district level, he was following them. I believe one

03:42:46.240 of the publishing house executives was following him. We had a few other pastors following

03:42:51.560 them, and the social media manager for the LCMS was following them, before they had published

03:42:57.140 anything. Antifa Front, specifically dedicated to Lutheranism, and just by coincidence, I

03:43:07.780 guess all these pastors were following it i mean really weird how they were following an antifa

03:43:13.100 front that was going to publish a dossier about all of their enemies that we now have confirmation

03:43:18.780 was being used against me and they were just following them before they published anything

03:43:24.680 this is like so why would why is antifa taking such a sharp interest in the lutheran church

03:43:32.780 and you guys specifically i wish i had the answer to that because if i did i think i would be

03:43:37.600 raising a little bit more uh pitchforks and torches than i am right now because you know

03:43:41.500 if i'm antifa and i'm not but you know from what i know about them i've known antifa people before

03:43:46.560 it's like a guy like you wouldn't even really register on their radar because they're after

03:43:51.540 you don't like it would be such a stretch to call you anything adjacent to a nazi and they're they're

03:43:58.160 going after the guys who are with carrying swastikas and stuff you know like it just seems

03:44:03.380 strange that like the old glory club would end up on antifa's radar you know what i mean well

03:44:09.740 and not the old glory club that had been going by this point in time but ryan turnip seed is the

03:44:15.100 only thing that features on that dawson but like that type of thing where because like the old

03:44:19.600 glory club i wouldn't even i wouldn't call like radical far right stuff so it just seems so

03:44:24.620 strange to me that antifa would even go after someone like you you know what i mean right

03:44:30.100 Yeah, so, um, there's only, okay, so possible, possible solutions to this question.

03:44:37.660 Um, Antifa just naturally cares about Lutheranism and is invested.

03:44:41.920 I think that's like a .01% chance that that's the answer, if not zero. 0.77

03:44:48.740 They're atheists. They are atheist communists.

03:44:52.040 There's no reason that Antifa just has a natural interest in LCMS politics.

03:44:56.080 so we can just disregard that statement for right now what's another solution why why else

03:45:04.220 would antifa be involved in the lcms well perhaps the lcms outsource their dirty work to them

03:45:13.040 that's a potential solution i can't prove it but everything seems to point to that at the risk of

03:45:22.420 editorializing this that seems like the only other solution and you know not to sound like

03:45:29.660 i'm trying to you know oversell this that's 100 what's happening anything else doesn't make sense

03:45:36.840 to me well i what is the anything else exactly like what are the other options yeah exactly i'm

03:45:43.920 like these things don't go together like they like i said it would never it's not natural for

03:45:49.800 antifa to take an interest in this they're not particularly clever people so like it must be

03:45:56.320 they're being fed this we yeah we we've already established antifa on its own is not going to

03:46:02.280 draw itself to inner lutheran politics things that aren't even really known like they are

03:46:07.320 spinning this web here where they're trying to say there's an organized fascist group in the

03:46:11.840 lcms consisting of luthemplar ryan turnip seed cory mauler and woe like it's so far from reality

03:46:19.640 that any person inside would be ashamed

03:46:21.860 to have their name put on that dossier.

03:46:24.240 You know, Antifa are the only ones

03:46:27.100 dumb enough to fall for this.

03:46:30.380 Well, Antifa and the Senate, apparently.

03:46:33.640 So, Antifa does not just naturally gravitate

03:46:38.080 towards inner LCMS politics

03:46:39.700 and spin webs and stories that are very convenient

03:46:41.860 for everyone in the Senate

03:46:43.760 that's trying to get rid of this new alt-right threat.

03:46:46.280 the only logical solution at this point is that the synod has worked with antifa and they use

03:46:54.220 this information from the antifa front against me in this meeting that is the only reason why

03:46:59.560 they would have said we need you to disassociate with luthemplar that is the only reason why they

03:47:05.720 would think he's in the church why they think he's a nazi who's like some radical i need to

03:47:10.000 disassociate with, because four seconds talking or looking at the guy, you understand he is a

03:47:16.140 Roman Catholic Jew who votes for the Democrats in New York City. So that's, in this one statement

03:47:26.580 here, we need you to disassociate from Lutheran for because he's in on this too. That's what's

03:47:31.700 been given away here. That is the only reason why they would bring this up, whoever brought this to

03:47:37.580 my pastor and i say that because later on in this interrogation i finally drum up the common sense

03:47:44.660 to just ask my pastor hey how much of this work did you do because you're accusing me of a lot

03:47:49.420 of insane stuff here and he stops for a second and he says well 75 i'd say about 75 of this was

03:47:57.640 just handed to me by other people was there any recognition on his part at how preposterous that

03:48:03.300 sounds like throughout this entire process as you know you're getting these dunks in was there any

03:48:09.800 recognition that this is ridiculous in my defense none of these are dunks i was i was in such

03:48:16.820 disbelief that i was confirming to myself that this is actually happening and they are actually

03:48:20.840 doing this so i wasn't dunking on them but like no and as we will see they double down on all of

03:48:28.000 this. So, and to this day, they still double down upon this. These are still the charges against me,

03:48:34.400 but they have rebranded them. We'll get there in a second. But he says that 75% of this has been

03:48:39.640 brought to him by outside sources. And later I ask, can I know who these people are? And I just

03:48:45.060 get told no. Can I see what they brought to you? No. Okay, that's a very legitimate way of dealing

03:48:54.180 with another christian um you outsource 75 of your grievances to other people who you won't tell the

03:49:01.040 other guy who they are normally you show him what they bring you you just accuse him and refuse to

03:49:06.660 substantiate yeah it also seems that and maybe that you'll get to this in a second it seems like

03:49:11.140 what they were teeing you up for was you know disavow them now and then we're going to need

03:49:15.740 you to disavow them publicly as well like this is just setting you up to be their mouthpiece to like

03:49:22.300 condemn all your these other guys okay i can't confirm that but i will say if i was playing

03:49:27.560 synod strategist that would be the play is to get the guy that now has apparently a public voice

03:49:32.360 within the synod uh to just axe these guys and i mean we'll surely give him token concessions

03:49:37.740 eventually you know that that would be the play um unfortunately i'm i'm one of these rubes who

03:49:44.500 cares about like doctrine and scriptural principle and like you know actually actual christianity

03:49:51.060 i i don't care about uh we we need you to do this because it would be strategically important to us

03:49:56.620 well why i need like a reason that's not a reason it would be convenient for you to go against these

03:50:04.020 guys or we need you to go against these guys because we say they're evil that none of those

03:50:08.680 are reasons and that's all that i keep getting yeah it seemed like when they brought you in

03:50:12.360 that room they weren't expecting that much pushback they expect you to maybe even be spooked

03:50:17.700 Here they did, they showed up with a gang to confront you, and you're supposed to be quivering like a leaf.

03:50:25.420 Because, again, they were apparently unprepared for a single question.

03:50:31.020 And I will comment to this, that's exactly what it seems like, because later on, about an hour and a half through into this interrogation,

03:50:39.720 I'm trying to explain myself after being questioned about something, I forget what it is.

03:50:44.320 um i remember what it is a path the pastor who was bringing these things up against me

03:50:49.820 he asked me do you want to be a part of our church now mentally i was thinking what on earth do you

03:50:56.460 mean by that and you know verbally i say well yes of course i want to be he said well why did you

03:51:02.060 tell me otherwise and i said what and he said well you told me otherwise you you didn't want to be a

03:51:07.720 part of our church you wanted to go elsewhere and at this point clicked he's he's talking about a

03:51:12.900 conversation that i had with him like months ago getting what i told him wrong and then basically

03:51:20.040 saying what i did tell him what he did get right and he's taking that completely out of the context

03:51:24.700 of the conversation where i was saying i will eventually have to find another place to go

03:51:28.920 if the synod keeps drifting leftward is what i told him and he said well it sounds you've you've

03:51:35.720 never told me that you've wanted to be a part of us you've told us that you wanted to leave

03:51:39.780 to which i said no i specifically didn't want to leave and that's why i told you that

03:51:43.900 but i i kept trying to explain i said no and at this point you're just lying about me in front

03:51:49.500 of people i don't appreciate that i shouldn't have to tell you that's wrong pastor and i i that

03:51:56.760 raised a lot of eyebrows because you're not supposed to accuse people lying about you when

03:52:00.620 they do it in front of your face about things that they've told you but that might just be a

03:52:04.460 lutheranism thing um and i i kept trying to explain no that's not what i said you guys are

03:52:10.480 taking things out of context you haven't even brought a claim against me so far it's been

03:52:14.420 associations and unsubstantiated assertions and i keep trying to explain something explain why

03:52:21.860 that's an issue and one of the other guys that was there that they brought along unexpectedly

03:52:26.600 slams his fist on the table at me and he says no you're going to listen now and he just goes on

03:52:33.180 but like i was sitting there in my chair the whole time i was writing down notes to keep a record of

03:52:39.540 all of us as it was happening they saw me writing everything down guy slams a fist on the table at

03:52:46.100 me like yes there i i think after getting a fist slammed at the table at me i can say their whole

03:52:56.240 intention was to spook me into doing something in the in the wake of this after all this has

03:53:01.920 happened at what point was it how recent did this occur by the way uh so this was early march

03:53:08.040 and let me see did i miss anything here um they reaffirmed that this is only about associations

03:53:16.100 um and oh they also make the accusation they said uh you've said that that catechism contains

03:53:22.560 heresy and i said yeah there there are quite a few heretical statements in there i think that's

03:53:26.380 a pretty clear to say at this point he said uh well our church believes in that catechism

03:53:31.500 and you you want to be a part of that so on the one hand he's saying you're so mean and evil

03:53:38.140 because you don't want to be a part of us but also you want to be a part of us so much despite

03:53:41.820 the fact you disagree with this catechism that i have pulled this out of thin air our church

03:53:46.240 apparently agrees with they don't that was a lie as well um but he's using that as a standard

03:53:52.480 against me you know he's trying to solidify that as now that's that's lutheranism now so

03:53:57.880 So, that's the, uh, that was the summary of that interrogation, early in March, and I got a text

03:54:07.760 from that pastor afterwards, and I'm just gonna read this off to you, and you tell me what this

03:54:13.460 sounds like, what might be the intention here, because I showed this to other people because I

03:54:17.340 didn't know what to make of it, and they all jumped to a very extreme conclusion. I got this message

03:54:22.060 from that pastor who led that whole thing, after they got up and left in anger, by the way. They

03:54:26.600 didn't officially end it. They didn't say, all right, we've come to a close. We've gotten what

03:54:31.240 we wanted. We'll have to reconvene later. Nothing. They just said, all right, we're done here. And

03:54:35.120 they all got up and stormed off. So I got a message from my pastor afterwards, and he says,

03:54:42.520 and I quote, I apologize to you that my actions obviously broadcast a sense of ambush and attack.

03:54:48.580 I apologize if my words also broadcast that. Looking back, I can see much more clearly my

03:54:54.040 errors in decision making, and I am sorry for them. I would choose differently now. I brought

03:54:58.980 the two guys specifically because your dad thought they would be helpful, and I brought one of those

03:55:04.720 guys as a representative of the elders, and the other pastor was there because he is the pastor

03:55:10.040 at your university. I'm sorry for all of them being there. They are not against you. I am not

03:55:15.140 against you. Unanimously, we love you, and we desire the best for you. I have no secrets. It's

03:55:20.860 all been laid on the table in person you can believe what you'd like about my intentions but

03:55:25.320 that is this that is my honest statement to you now and i'm sorry for my actions indicating

03:55:29.840 anything otherwise to you i love you i've always loved you the lord's peace be with you so um

03:55:36.000 before we tear into that what's your impression this whole thing seems very very weak and emotional

03:55:42.160 to me um it's like first of all you know if i were on their side i probably wouldn't immediately

03:55:49.080 start admitting fault and being overly emotional at everything like it this whole it just seems

03:55:56.580 unplanned in every single aspect of it even to the point where this interrogation didn't really

03:56:01.940 seem to have a structure to it and the entire time they're trying to surprise you and kind of

03:56:07.840 throw you off kilter almost to the point where they've never really established what it is i guess

03:56:13.360 you know aside from denouncing it's like well what do you they're they don't know what you even want

03:56:18.540 you know i mean it's an interrogation without them trying to get information in a sense right

03:56:24.040 and so did you catch the lie in that apology um was the one where them describing why they brought

03:56:33.100 uh all the people there i'm no i i'm not gonna question that um i i well personally i questioned

03:56:41.100 that but i'm not gonna substantiate anything um he said i have no secrets it's all been laid out

03:56:48.020 on the table in person well that's not true like we have 75 of the work being done by nameless

03:56:55.220 outsiders and you won't even show us what they did so it's almost like it may be because this

03:57:02.520 was a text it's they're trying to create a paper trail like look look what i said to him like it

03:57:06.580 sounds very prepared as well well if that's what they're doing i don't think it'll work out for

03:57:12.040 them and i'll just leave it at that i can be a bit too paranoid like i'm coming at this at looking

03:57:17.640 as like as if it's a power play you know well i i don't blame you for doing that and that could be

03:57:22.840 what it is i i'm just i'm telling you i don't think that will end well for them if that's what

03:57:27.380 it is so um so we have a lie contained in here and i sent this to a couple of other people one

03:57:32.600 of which was a uh it used to be a practicing psychologist um until they had a family and i

03:57:40.100 put this in front of all those people and the unanimous read on this was manipulative yeah

03:57:45.100 absolutely and it sounds and because it's so uncoordinated the manipulation is comes across

03:57:50.980 as very disjointed like you got one guy who's trying to be accused of someone who's like losing

03:57:55.280 their mind and slamming their fist and there's someone who's usually when you play good cop bad

03:57:59.900 cop you don't do it at the exact same time right exactly yeah simultaneously so that that was in

03:58:07.800 the interrogation. I got told a few other things, not really integral to the story, but what did we

03:58:16.180 get from that? Well, my own pastor is going to be starting to hunt against me after that alt-right

03:58:22.760 letter was sent out from Harrison, and they will use an Antifa article to get me, and to get my

03:58:29.820 association, supposedly. And here's an interesting thing as well, and this is before I started

03:58:37.720 documenting things because I thought I was dealing with, you know, Christian people.

03:58:42.220 I went to my elders at the church when that Antifa article dropped, and I basically told

03:58:50.980 them, all right, we have Antifa after me after this whole catechism stuff. While you all are

03:58:56.220 still not under pressure and thinking clearly, I would like you all to assess me and see if I am

03:59:02.580 really what is described in this Antifa article. And every single elder on that board that heard

03:59:08.080 this plea for me laughed at me, and they said, oh, we'll never be under any outside influence,

03:59:13.600 we know you're not a Nazi, this is absurd. This was a few weeks before this interrogation.

03:59:23.080 I was called paranoid and absurd because I went to them saying, all right, Antifa's after me,

03:59:29.840 i don't expect you guys to be out of the public eye for much longer um you know why why don't you

03:59:35.620 get this over with while you're still not under any sort of uh bias or pressure i i got called

03:59:42.620 i got called paranoid because that could never happen uh and then a few weeks later we get this

03:59:47.760 interrogation where they're using that same antifa article against me as a credible source um and

03:59:53.820 supposedly all the elders were on board with it that's a quite strange but that's just how it

03:59:59.080 worse, I guess. Yeah. Well, I was going to ask you at the, you know, the apex of this entire thing,

04:00:04.420 like, do you feel like you're even more singled out than before? Because those same elders that

04:00:09.520 you went to before, they called you paranoid. They seem to have, had they lined up against you just

04:00:14.020 as much? Are you, is there any acknowledgement from anyone that you dealt with that this is

04:00:19.620 preposterous? Well, if my own pastor is to be believed, he had unanimous support from the

04:00:25.500 elders at my church to carry out this interrogation. So, that was quite the flip, especially because

04:00:34.940 more than half of these elders reached out to me during that catechism thing or afterwards

04:00:41.720 and said they agreed with me wholeheartedly and they couldn't believe what was happening.

04:00:45.980 So, in the span of a few weeks, they went from being very firmly with me in that regard

04:00:50.440 to oh yeah i gotta give ryan's a nazi now go interrogate him in a different city and this is

04:00:56.400 what's so strange to me is that i know there's a lot that you cannot speak to and we can only

04:01:00.560 speculate at this point uh i assume but there seems to be some mechanisms going on behind the

04:01:07.540 scenes to get everyone in line at the same time we acknowledge that these decisions being made

04:01:13.560 with these what started this whole thing these essays and this social justice tilt is being

04:01:19.100 executed by a select few people at the top like but it's spreading it seems like is is there a

04:01:26.960 sense that there's some kind of some kind of power play going on behind the scenes to get

04:01:30.920 people in line or what do you think is happening i i absolutely think that they're coordinated

04:01:35.000 because if you remember back before that interrogation when i met one-on-one with the

04:01:39.460 other pastor he said there was advice coming down about how to handle this so i think there's

04:01:47.100 absolutely coordination because they've admitted to it so where do you and i know we actually do

04:01:52.240 need to get going quite soon so i but i had like one final question and again if this is speculation

04:01:58.200 let's speculate anyway with that you know caveat where do you think this all started because we

04:02:04.780 have the individual who's who's kind of directing this but it seems that the seeds of this must have

04:02:11.000 been planted earlier even you know we were talking earlier um a few years ago where uh one of the

04:02:17.720 large catechism additions was it kind of mentioned racism and then a few years small catechism yeah

04:02:23.520 yeah it mentioned races almost as like a tease to see how that would go and then the the full

04:02:29.080 plan revealed itself but what do you think is driving this is it really just a couple individuals

04:02:34.720 or is there some other cancer that's spread?

04:02:39.080 I sincerely have no clue.

04:02:41.140 And it's good that you come back to that

04:02:43.260 because I forgot to mention this,

04:02:44.740 that small catechism edition that we talked about earlier

04:02:47.900 that included the sin of racism

04:02:50.120 was the sole source of justification

04:02:53.080 for that alt-right letter

04:02:54.420 that was put out in mid-February.

04:02:57.120 So this edition from 2017

04:02:59.920 was their Christian doctrinal explanation

04:03:04.160 for why we have to get rid of the alt-right.

04:03:06.240 So, I would be shocked

04:03:08.740 if this wasn't planned by somebody.

04:03:12.760 Especially considering we have that Jack Kilcrease

04:03:14.940 that I mentioned who knows how long ago now at this point.

04:03:18.440 It was calling me a Nazi and a white supremacist from day one

04:03:21.040 without any proof at all.

04:03:22.820 Not even an argument, just calling me a Nazi and a white supremacist.

04:03:28.940 I kind of feel like there are elements in here

04:03:31.600 that would absolutely love for the synod to just go right down the methodist rabbit hole of get

04:03:37.700 rid of the nazis uh who cares about gay marriage and all this other stuff it's not important we

04:03:42.100 have nazis to get rid of and i guess that leads me to one of the questions i had asked before

04:03:48.180 about uh the human dimension to this and you can give as much detail of this as you like but i

04:03:55.400 just for me i'm curious about being thrust in the spotlight being in this interrogation having

04:04:01.240 Like, it's not easy. I can't imagine what this is like. I can't imagine watching these people who are so important to your life, who held a moral authority, turn against you in such a bizarre way and being at the center of your church, making you into a villain.

04:04:18.640 Um, and I just wanted to know, um, from your perspective, how, how has this really impacted

04:04:24.640 your personal life? Any of your friendships? Are you a celebrity at school? You know,

04:04:29.840 what's it like for Ryan Turnipseed right now? Um, there was a group of people that I came across

04:04:35.300 at school that said they were praying for me. I have a feeling they meant the large catechism

04:04:39.440 thing that was happening. Um, so that, that was cool. They weren't even Lutherans. I think they

04:04:43.720 were baptists and presbyterians so that that was that was pretty good um i don't really hear much

04:04:50.040 about this at all from my church outside of this interrogation and a few other things which we

04:04:55.220 don't have time to get into it seems like which is fine there's a lot here um i got approached

04:05:00.820 at my home church i think twice about the catechism stuff and both points in time they asked

04:05:07.920 can you explain this to me in both points in time they said well yeah that's that's just wrong

04:05:11.560 you know what was in the catechism is just wrong so um that's all the interaction i've gotten there

04:05:18.220 um there's been more developments um all probably about the time that this goes out we'll we'll have

04:05:24.740 a much fuller story on my end uh so i'd like to revisit this with you if you'd be interested in

04:05:30.720 coming back as well because i really i i from an outsider's perspective there is a lot to go

04:05:36.040 what they're here and i find it deeply deeply fascinating um and it's you know i it's rare that

04:05:42.560 a guy like me gets to know like a main character such as yourself in a story like this i have

04:05:48.440 refrained from positioning myself as a main character or any of the sort um and this is what

04:05:54.240 a lot of those uh people calling me a white supremacist were doing with the catechism they

04:05:57.980 were saying this is all my work as if i personally wrote the who knows how many emails and letters to

04:06:04.320 the president of the synod yeah like so i i do appreciate it but um i i sincerely do not see

04:06:11.580 myself as such um i i i find it to be very unfortunate that my pastor has all these

04:06:20.000 charges against me that he refuses to elaborate upon uh and it seems like he's just turned

04:06:25.960 completely hostile um he is uh after that apology that i read out to you he just has not spoken to

04:06:32.340 me since then it's been a couple of months now like i go to church i'll stare at him i go up to

04:06:38.600 commune yeah they still commune me there i'm not excommunicated somehow huh but he just doesn't

04:06:45.640 talk to me he's too busy scrolling your timeline trying to get the dirt on you who's this who's

04:06:52.440 who is this frog man this prudentialist you you joke but i i he i think he's admitted to doing that

04:07:01.320 yeah so it's and just and maybe this will be the final thing and hopefully this can

04:07:08.120 lead into the next time we speak because i would really love to revisit this soon

04:07:11.700 do you have any immediate concerns about what might happen or do you have any predictions of

04:07:21.280 you know where things can go from here if i were to be fully honest i expect to be

04:07:28.520 kicked out of my home congregation by excommunication, because they have doubled down

04:07:33.580 on what they are calling themselves guilt by association, because I refuse to disavow their

04:07:38.720 persons as evil. As I've made clear, I don't even know what that means to do it. I don't agree with

04:07:44.640 doing it anyways with what I think it means, but they haven't given me an actual explanation.

04:07:49.960 They've doubled down on this. I'm not going to just yield. It's not scriptural. They've been

04:07:55.740 citing a specific translation of scripture that says to mark and avoid wolves in a flock,

04:08:02.680 and at this point in time, I have a feeling that the people slandering me, libeling me,

04:08:07.800 defaming my person by calling me a national socialist and a white supremacist, I have a

04:08:12.420 feeling that I should be marking and avoiding those people more than the guys that I've had

04:08:15.700 on a podcast to just discuss politely a pretty bad catechism with. So if I were to guess,

04:08:24.080 probably not going to win that local battle.

04:08:26.380 We'll see. Hopefully there are faithful

04:08:28.400 pastors within the LCMS

04:08:30.560 or even outside

04:08:31.400 who could do something.

04:08:35.340 This is

04:08:36.080 quite a big issue. I don't have

04:08:38.260 much power to actually change things.

04:08:40.800 We have a convention this year.

04:08:43.660 And, okay,

04:08:44.660 very quick side tangent. I'll get right back

04:08:46.420 on the topic. You know how I was mentioning earlier

04:08:48.320 in Harrison's letter,

04:08:50.100 executing homosexuals is in and of itself

04:08:52.660 a sin.

04:08:54.080 Well, the nation of Uganda implemented that into their law this year.

04:09:01.820 I think that was back in, might have been April or March, March or April.

04:09:07.620 Oh, yeah, I remember this.

04:09:08.420 This was big.

04:09:09.220 A lot of people were kind of running around with that newspaper in their hand saying, look at this. 1.00

04:09:12.920 But, you know, a lot of people don't really know how to react to that because it's Africa.

04:09:16.680 right and this year in the convention the lcms is trying really hard to get into full fellowship

04:09:25.320 with the ugandan lutheran church so we've made it very clear here if you are a white american

04:09:32.420 and you say our laws should execute homosexuals i don't even know who said this to begin with 0.89

04:09:37.380 because i certainly didn't say it i don't think that mauler woe said this um but it's it's on

04:09:42.520 the charge anyway so might as well just go with what's true and not try to backpedal um if someone 0.54

04:09:48.880 were to advocate this white america um you'll get kicked out of the church and condemned to hell

04:09:54.320 by an excommunication um if you are a black african in uganda and you do this uh the lcms

04:10:00.000 will try very hard to get into fellowship with you yeah i see i think i know what the confusion

04:10:04.480 is here wanting to kill homosexuals is the sin but actually killing homosexuals is okay

04:10:11.260 well they don't even say wanting they say execution of homosexuals 0.90

04:10:17.000 no it's the ugandans are actually doing it that's okay you saying that you want to that's the actual

04:10:22.460 it's a confusing thing i get it right yeah so yeah i guess we just don't read carefully enough

04:10:29.900 um so anyway side tangent over but that's i i found that particularly ironic not a single one

04:10:38.960 of them will understand how absolutely idiotic it is that they are doing that but it just kind of

04:10:45.900 shows that they are more scared of being called racist than they are being called a homophobe

04:10:50.160 or a transphobe or anything else i think you nailed it before where you know i don't accept

04:10:55.160 ignorance in this story i don't accept you know even though i might remark that this thing seems

04:11:00.540 very very disjointed and clumsy everything here seems purposeful as even though the plan isn't

04:11:06.760 being executed elegantly there is a plan and that there seems to be a purpose to all of this so you

04:11:13.880 know it would be easy to say if they were just kind of confused but they're not confused you

04:11:18.100 know this is there's something there's a bigger tectonic shift happening in this church and

04:11:24.880 there's people falling in line that you wouldn't think would fall in line and that's what you know

04:11:29.540 hearing the story it sounds pretty frightening actually you know even that story that part

04:11:35.360 where the elders are on your side then they just pivoted later something creepy is going on but

04:11:42.760 not only were they like on my side if we're going to borrow the phrase the fact that i suggested

04:11:49.540 that they potentially would not be due to pressure was laughable to them yeah like like someone's

04:11:56.280 getting their shoulders tapped with some kind of threat some kind of words being said that you know

04:12:02.600 make people do an about face.

04:12:04.440 But I do need to get going now, unfortunately,

04:12:07.260 but we will return to this later.

04:12:08.420 I want people to follow this story as closely as possible.

04:12:12.120 We will be following up on this soon,

04:12:13.560 but I want you to check out Ryan Turnip Seed on Twitter

04:12:16.560 at Turnip Merchant.

04:12:19.080 And have a look at this article on Gab News.

04:12:22.800 It's called Here I Stand.

04:12:24.020 It was published March 4th, 2023.

04:12:26.760 A lot of the details are going to be in there.

04:12:28.660 um and also check out ryan term see on the old glory club check him out on youtube um he's got

04:12:35.220 a lot of great content out there and and mr term see we're going to check in with you on this and

04:12:39.140 thank you so much for taking the time to get a good chunk of this story out thank you very much

04:12:45.940 for having me it's been a pleasure once again all right i'll talk to you soon

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