Blood Satellite - The Nuclear Costanza of Solemn Providence [＂signs no wave requires a dying＂]

00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be

00:00:07.720 blood satellite you sound it's fine fantastic as usual you sound a bit too good almost like

00:00:24.380 yourself conscious shit the the the microphone knows that that it was poorly performing last

00:00:31.360 week i made a comment that you know you gotta get it closer to the mic and sounds like you're

00:00:35.840 inhaling the mic at the moment i'm on it i'm up on this fucking mic right now

00:00:40.340 okay how like are you actually or can you back up or how do we do this so i can back up like this

00:00:46.040 this is about eight inches and this is uh this is this is two inches now this is sloppy i'm nice

00:00:52.980 and sloppy right here you see the problem is you gotta understand how judas measures inches

00:00:57.100 so you don't really know what you're gonna get how big is an inch again oh it's you know it's

00:01:03.200 the tip of a pencil what about eight inches that's like a golf ball this is six this is six

00:01:08.780 ask anyone this is six i make the rules i okay look i'm not i'm not a guy who gets around i know

00:01:17.620 what sick sounds like this ain't sick no don't that's a little too vulgar go to horny jail no

00:01:27.840 sorry this this early in the bod

00:01:31.920 i just got my i got my coffee in me i don't even know i i got a new yeti cup

00:01:38.420 uh-oh you know what that is it's like a cool thermos so it's gonna be

00:01:43.480 it's gonna be nice and spicy the entire way through you got a yeti cup and a yeti mic

00:01:49.200 oh i do yeah that's weird it's like can't be the same company can it no i doubt it okay how

00:01:57.140 many companies named yeti should there be this is kind of an obscure name to to give to things

00:02:02.160 that have nothing to do with the cryptid yeah that's true like i mean the only yeti we want

00:02:08.020 is a literal cryptid if it was a yeti coat it would make sense something to do with outerwear

00:02:13.940 yep you just call them stuff yeti yeah it don't make no sense if you sold a a line of white vans

00:02:23.680 that you use to abduct children in the woods you call that van the yeti

00:02:28.020 i don't follow you on that but i don't want to either okay that's all right

00:02:34.360 so you said before as we were getting started you said i'm going to talk about this to you on the

00:02:41.140 show but i actually had no idea what you were leading oh because because we were five minutes

00:02:45.860 late starting because i had to go help my wife with something and it's because we were selling

00:02:49.080 a we're selling a coffee table because one of the things we've been doing lately is just for laughs

00:02:54.040 is going to auctions that are like too far away for normal people to go and buying stuff for like

00:02:59.740 a dollar and then selling it on facebook for like 50 bucks so that's just a fun thing that we do on

00:03:05.160 our weekends because we have no lives so that's just the thing but it's fun it's actually fun

00:03:08.860 these ghost auctions okay she my wife's pointing at me laughing she's fuck off that's just you i'm

00:03:15.100 like yeah it is actually just me she's pissed she doesn't want to come but yeah it's not a ghost

00:03:18.940 auction no we go on max sold which is uh like a canadian auction site it's for they manage people's

00:03:23.880 like downsizing and like when elderly people sell their houses and shit um and if you go far out

00:03:29.720 actually i don't want to say this because now people are gonna fucking i'm gonna lose my edge

00:03:33.500 this must be going on in a bunch of different places right it's all over it's all over the

00:03:38.660 it's all over the i think you know what i think it's american too but we use it in in ontario

00:03:42.300 but uh yeah there's places here like if you go up north in the province nobody wants to go up there

00:03:47.780 so they do these auctions and like nobody fucking bids on it especially furniture because nobody

00:03:51.880 wants to drive that far north with a fucking trailer except me so uh yeah so you don't see

00:03:57.400 a lot of guys like you out there like young guys nobody it's all the crypt keepers up there so this

00:04:04.000 would be similar to those police auctions that i always say we should go to a police auction but

00:04:08.180 we never go we should but it's essentially the same thing like this is stuff that is like debtors

00:04:12.860 like you say old people who sell their homes but is this like desperate people and storage locker

00:04:17.720 shit too is that we've seen those we've done a couple of those but they actually usually turn

00:04:24.020 out to be dog shit you got to think about it with storage lockers and there's other ones like

00:04:27.660 charity charity auctions and like um like business auctions and stuff they tend to have trash that

00:04:33.980 literally nobody wants and they're wise about it and they try to upsell it and take the photos in

00:04:39.000 such a way that it looks better than it is but with downsizing auctions and especially like um

00:04:44.500 i forget they have a special word for it but essentially when somebody dies and their estate

00:04:47.920 sales with the estate sales it's like that's something that first of all it's an elderly

00:04:53.280 person and in my opinion they tend to actually have nice things things that are worth something

00:04:58.760 and then it also it's specifically the things they've held on for to for their whole lives

00:05:04.600 and many cases these people have already gone through a downsizing so a lot of the stuff that's

00:05:08.400 for sale it's like fucking war medals and 100 year old china and holy shit yeah so you're walking

00:05:14.840 into the titanic yes it is it's like the titanic every saturday it's wonderful but this is also

00:05:21.420 the number one demographic for

00:05:23.300 creepy doll collections.

00:05:25.300 Yes, it is.

00:05:27.420 What do you call that? Like old

00:05:29.100 1950s space stuff, lunch

00:05:31.320 boxes, and ray

00:05:33.400 guns. Yep. That's why

00:05:35.440 we were eating beans the other day, because we got this

00:05:37.260 like 1960s camp stove.

00:05:40.900 So we set up

00:05:41.380 our camp stove in the driveway with our camp chairs

00:05:43.320 and we were eating maple beans

00:05:46.620 on the camp stove.

00:05:48.540 You said that

00:05:49.460 like that follows the previous thing that has nothing to do with what we were just saying

00:05:53.640 yeah camp stove camp stove beans auction okay so did you buy those at the auction i don't yeah no

00:06:00.480 sorry it's an antique it's an antique camp stove that we got at an auction yeah but i mean we got

00:06:05.660 it and it's like it was a dollar but does it fucking work and the answer is yes it does work

00:06:09.780 i just had to weld some parts on it so that the kerosene didn't keep dripping out but okay because

00:06:14.520 i'm hearing the story it's like we went to an auction then we ate like hobos the rest of the

00:06:18.540 we went to this auction anyway we sat in the driveway and ate beans just stared down

00:06:23.980 all the other bidders until they all left because for me just as the ideal perfect listener there's

00:06:31.760 a lot of whys in there there's a lot of in your in your own house in your own driveway

00:06:37.020 yep um and it's just you and your wife so there are no kids so it's not like hey this is a fun

00:06:42.480 family thing it's just two individuals yeah yeah i would say why is a very common question around

00:06:50.440 here and also the thing it's like it works perfectly i just had to weld a bunch of

00:06:54.160 there's nothing wrong with it i just had to fix it that's all yeah because this is from an era

00:07:00.400 like this thing was made where it's like if it stops working throw it out of the side of the

00:07:04.540 station wagon as you're driving down the fucking freeway well this is old enough that the whole

00:07:11.180 thing even the box is all made of metal it's quite heavy actually so you'd kill somebody this is a

00:07:16.300 generation of america is your landfill just throw your fucking mcdonald's out the way everything's

00:07:21.120 going out the window of the station wagon but you had another story and i want to really like that

00:07:26.660 you brought this up because i wanted to talk to people about this because i think a window into

00:07:31.160 your life is such a precious thing because you've had stories like this for days and this guy like

00:07:37.140 i don't i don't know how to describe it um i don't want to call it frugal because the thing

00:07:43.180 it's smart it's like it's smart frugal it's like you it would never occur to me to go to these

00:07:47.840 auctions and to go to a good smart auction but you'll you have stories where you come back with

00:07:52.560 appliances with all these fines and then you fix them up and the one i'm thinking of is you had a

00:07:58.420 story from my perspective it sounded like you have a steampunk dishwasher well what was that

00:08:07.660 because again the story that i had heard in the chat was you i got dishwasher i just replaced

00:08:13.020 these seven things from stuff i had around the house and now it's like this loud clanging

00:08:19.700 spitting and cussing machine so what's the truth go i i like this story and to preface it i got

00:08:28.400 and the reason i like this story is because i know that to some guys listening this is going

00:08:33.660 to be like so what you put a fucking dishwasher in and to other guys it's going to be like i

00:08:38.000 didn't know you could do that are you a black magic wizard and uh all it is is we went first

00:08:43.140 of all is a wizard of black magic or a black wizard a oh no no no a wizard of black magic

00:08:51.800 thanks for catching that a black grand wizard a black grand wizard oh man sorry um so we went to

00:09:00.220 habitat for humanity and we got a five dollar dishwasher because this house is about a hundred

00:09:04.500 years old and doesn't even doesn't have a dishwasher doesn't even have a spot for a

00:09:09.100 dishwasher which i didn't really think about i did think about it but i didn't consider that it

00:09:12.840 wasn't built for a dishwasher so the cabinets in this house the countertops are both too shallow

00:09:17.840 and too short for a dishwasher so i love it already when i got it back and i was just saying

00:09:24.960 to you off mike that our house is also um our house is all timber frame uh so our floorboards

00:09:31.040 and joists are all solid oak and it's just got like three different generations of linoleum

00:09:36.260 layered over the oak so um they love doing that they love to love it really good solid wood and

00:09:42.440 slapping a bunch of like two centimeter thick vinyl on top of it well not to digress but like

00:09:48.100 linoleum there's nothing wrong with linoleum linoleum is a great material it's just ugly

00:09:51.580 like and that's just because of the patterns they pick but fuck make some modern patterns

00:09:55.260 and we can have linoleum again and i love linoleum but anyway so i go in i'm just before you i want

00:10:01.360 i leave the inbox open if someone can send me a solid argument for why someone would do that

00:10:07.740 because i'm listening to that every time someone says we ripped up all this bullshit there's amazing

00:10:12.080 hardwood floor underneath you hear that story a hundred times if you're in a home renovation but

00:10:16.640 i'm like yeah i want to hear the argument for why people did that to begin with and maybe there's a

00:10:21.300 good one well in my in my case i should say i'm going to talking about solid oak i'm talking about

00:10:26.660 the floorboards not the like you think about like oh it has a solid wood floor you're thinking like

00:10:31.340 a maple parquet or something like that no i'm talking about inch thick maple board set a quarter

00:10:36.280 inch apart this is literally the structure of the house so like in a modern house they'd have like

00:10:40.660 osb or maybe like like a three-quarter ply hardwood ply or something like that right

00:10:45.780 english einstein it's sheet goods so it's a four by eight foot flat sheet of like plywood or some

00:10:54.080 other garbage if it's a cheap house but they didn't do that a hundred years ago a hundred

00:10:58.180 years ago they just laid down fucking solid boards of wood edge to edge leave a gap between them so

00:11:03.120 they don't expand or so that it doesn't break when they do expand and then you've got these

00:11:07.320 floor so the point is if you didn't have the lino on there you're looking down at the floor below

00:11:11.960 through the cracks so then there's no subfloor so they just throw the lino down i think there is a

00:11:17.920 subfloor here but not very much but anyways the point is you have the boards you have the subfloor

00:11:21.860 and then the line linoleum goes on top of the subfloor so if you peel the linoleum up you just

00:11:25.560 have plywood this is getting really technical we're talking about fucking houses now the the

00:11:29.660 washing the the dishwasher so we get it back i got a rip out i actually had to carve out part

00:11:36.640 of the countertop underneath solid oak all the way back to the wall i had to dig out part of the

00:11:41.740 plaster i had to dig up part of the floor through the subfloor and chisel out part of the oak there

00:11:47.800 because the thing was too tall so and it's i still couldn't get enough depth because i went all the

00:11:52.520 way through the plaster and now i'm into the wall and i'm not going to start cutting the fucking

00:11:55.340 the the beam because it's the frame of the house right so um i just i just left it hanging out so

00:12:01.640 i've got this dishwasher now it works but my dishwasher is sticking out into the kitchen

00:12:06.440 by like an inch and a half it's just an akimbo situation yeah and i don't have the face plate

00:12:11.720 on it on the bottom because it doesn't again it doesn't fit because of the floor i wasn't going

00:12:15.080 to like dig out more of the lino and have it's the face plates all rusted anyway because it's

00:12:18.580 an old dishwasher and um and then like a bunch of shit you had to gut it and yeah oh then that

00:12:24.700 was the funny thing and my judas wife is still a little a little pissed at me i know because i

00:12:29.060 haven't rebuilt it but the thing was too wide so in order not only did i have to tear out a section

00:12:34.900 beside the sink of the cabinets but i had to tear out enough to the one side that it destroyed the

00:12:40.260 beam that held up the shelves all the way to the wall so now there's just a big open bay with only

00:12:46.020 one door that doesn't close all the way and she just gets to throw all of her pans in there

00:12:49.980 so it's a little bit of like a beetlejuice kitchen now it is a beetlejuice kitchen you demolished

00:12:56.220 your kitchen for this fucking thing it's like i don't even like dishwashing machines i just like

00:13:02.320 doing the dish i'd prefer to do it we had this argument in the chat the other day and i we never

00:13:08.080 had a dishwasher for the longest time but when you have two kids and you don't eat out ever like we

00:13:14.140 we eat all three meals in this house every day and there's four of us and you do a lot of meal

00:13:19.940 prep so our kitchen is running constantly and fuck you if you want to do all of those dishes

00:13:25.640 like you would literally be dishes doing dishes three hours a day every day of the week yeah

00:13:29.680 guess what some of us like doing dishes some of us are good you know what you know what you were

00:13:33.700 a professional dishwasher and you were so high up in the dishwashing union that you got me a job

00:13:39.200 you were practically you were practically the the grand wizard of dishwashing this this is a true

00:13:44.820 story i was the grand wizard of dishwashing first of all yeah second of all at a ritzy hotel cafe

00:13:51.500 thing fancy fancy place the funny thing is that people hear these stories and i think they think

00:13:57.040 we're lying but like we have we've been friends since high school so and this is a situation where

00:14:03.440 we were living together and i did get you a job as a dishwasher at when i was also a dishwasher

00:14:09.440 yeah but see this is the difference this is why we're good together i had a real passion for it

00:14:14.260 i loved it you he never appreciated it he was always eyeing the door the last one and first

00:14:20.640 one out i was stealing the cheese while you were just stealing the silverware but we were both

00:14:25.160 pissing on the boss so it's either i was in it for the love of the game yeah this guy it's all

00:14:29.820 about a paycheck with him he's looking at his watch on payday like where's the money i'm like

00:14:35.120 i yeah you're getting paid to be here you're getting money to be fucking such and such and

00:14:41.820 such being here is a privilege it's a privilege no joke i deploy this on my wife sometimes because

00:14:49.520 she's got a way of doing dishwash washing the dishes like i look i did this professionally

00:14:54.120 okay i've pulled that card on her before yeah and i can tell you right now darling you missed the

00:15:00.440 spot yeah i'll tell you right now you're fucking up you're embarrassing us you're making a mockery

00:15:07.760 of this marriage which by extension is a mockery of god so i don't know if you want to shoulder

00:15:12.980 that tonight how about you let me do the pan she thinks i'm full of shit because i won't get into

00:15:20.100 it long story short i'm right um but you know when you're married everyone's kind of right

00:15:25.700 everyone's kind of wrong the if it's a wavelength of correctness that's always undulating and in

00:15:32.920 flux the peak is me being right on this before it kind of rescinds but if you if this were a

00:15:39.100 transmission from space you would say oh that's something that's that's a that's a design of some

00:15:44.520 kind we gotta shoot a beam of light in that direction that you're shooting beam lights oh

00:15:51.660 that's dimes being right yet again okay i don't have a lot planned for this episode

00:15:57.760 um we got a lot good going on in the tail end as usual but uh we're doing this a bit early this week

00:16:06.940 a day early we already kind of recorded pretty early by the time it comes out but it's been

00:16:11.800 kind of a slow news week and um there's there's a couple things to talk about though i was wondering

00:16:17.900 you know we're talking about the living situations we're describing it made me think

00:16:23.280 of uncle trout do you remember uncle trout yeah of course now for i'm gonna need you to

00:16:31.520 prop me up on this be my cane because this what we're gonna refer talk about now happened months

00:16:39.160 ago um and it's a bit of blood satellite deep lore and i enjoy which is ongoing yeah it's

00:16:48.260 ongoing so i have a gentleman in our chat named dean and uh he would frequently go on the voice

00:16:55.740 chat on our telegram chat and his uncle would occasionally come on named uncle trout and he

00:17:04.260 would always come on piss drunk in a blind rage and on the couple occasions i was there you know

00:17:11.060 and i'm not saying this in any way to insult or disparage uncle trout or dean i enjoy it

00:17:17.880 uh just even though he threatened my life on more than one occasion he always took it back but that's

00:17:23.640 that's a drunk guy thing you're always threatening you're always apologizing that's cool i like that

00:17:27.280 but um we'd recorded him uh for the an episode of what i described oh they called crimes chat

00:17:36.180 um and crimes chat was a project that i liked and nobody else liked because it involved me

00:17:43.760 just recording the voice chat that all of all the the winners trust would get involved in

00:17:49.020 and then they i'd record yeah this is gonna be good people are gonna like this you guys are

00:17:53.500 funny is we got like dimes you're recording this you piece of shit and panic rage threats upon

00:18:00.360 threats and so i've never released i never will release a full episode of anything but uh it just

00:18:06.360 seemed like such a gem of this character named uncle trout now have i given an appropriate lead

00:18:13.660 into this and what what do you know about uncle trout yeah that's reasonable i know uh he was in

00:18:18.140 the he's in the hospital recently because he uh was he i think yeah he might have had it i'm gonna

00:18:23.840 say he might have had a couple of too many drinks but who knows maybe that wasn't the case but he

00:18:27.960 definitely uh got his foot stuck under the gas pedal and uh uh couldn't hit the brake and drove

00:18:34.180 his car into a tree and he was had a bunch had to put a bunch of pins in his knee there so yeah

00:18:39.260 we get the whole we get the whole works when trout's on the line it's always something with

00:18:43.900 trout yep and i don't know if that's his real name he introduced himself as uncle trout um and

00:18:51.160 and this our young listener dean is a great guy lives with him um and uncle trout he's a real

00:18:57.560 character they're close enough in age they're close enough in age and or i rather maybe they

00:19:03.540 aren't but i'm pretty sure they are but they sound similar enough that when they first came on the

00:19:08.140 chad i was certain absolutely certain that it was just dean doing a shtick it was just dean

00:19:16.440 lowering his voice a little bit and doing a getting funny because it sounds like this

00:19:23.220 well it was but the thing is dean kind of sounds like that too but he sounds younger

00:19:27.060 so i just thought i thought it was dean doing a bit so i was hamming it up kind of like mocking

00:19:32.840 him not realizing trout is a real person until they started talking over each other like oh

00:19:37.480 shit trout's real yeah so that was a real just the entire time was like was shit talking him

00:19:43.180 threatening him back leading him on and then this is how i know i thought uncle trout was a bit older

00:19:49.520 because he has the energy of a guy like you know we're we're internet guys like a lot of our

00:19:55.500 generation were raised on the internet so we kind of know how to behave yeah that's like i i fucking

00:20:00.160 you fucking faggot friends in the computer like and that you know that that's sort of energy so

00:20:07.040 i'm like oh this is a guy who's who doesn't know that we're really actually all cool

00:20:10.760 he can be forgiven obviously but but he had stories for days this guy um and you know it

00:20:18.240 seemed to have this is the the hard part not the harbor but this is something i'm going to teach

00:20:24.240 this to all everyone here who's who's gonna especially the guys who are going to go through

00:20:29.260 this in life as they get older as you get into your 50s and whatnot after you get to a certain

00:20:34.700 age you can just kind of make up vague lies about when you were younger i'm not saying that's what

00:20:39.820 this guy was doing but you could especially if they're crime related because you and me had a

00:20:46.760 history of doing that of doing you know various criminal acts and gang related things especially

00:20:52.960 in the drug trade but uh the funny thing about when you we deal with people like that is like

00:20:59.080 they're vague on purpose so you could also be vague on purpose and because you you could sell

00:21:04.340 started like yeah i used to run some guys i don't want to talk about it and that is something that

00:21:10.120 a liar would say or someone who's killed nine guys both of those guys have the exact same tone

00:21:17.680 unless you're like um there's this guy uh he's kind of it's funny there's these old mob guys

00:21:24.780 who are influencers now i don't know if you've seen this um like michael francis and um there's

00:21:30.580 a guy named sammy the bull sammy the bull he's like he's gotta be in his like mid to late 70s

00:21:35.900 he's old um used to be uh i'm gonna butcher this story but i think he was like an underboss under

00:21:42.080 colombo or something but he his thing is he i think he went to jail for killing or being involved

00:21:49.920 in some way in the killings of like 19 guys now in his 70s bravano talks about his life as a mafia

00:21:57.420 hitman in the ABC News production Truth and Lies, The Last Gangster. New York in the 70s and 80s was

00:22:04.920 like the Wild West. Bodies all over the place. It was insane. The mob was going through a very

00:22:12.280 violent period. It was a dangerous time in the mob's world. Sammy the Bull was a street thug

00:22:19.020 who grew up in Bensonhurst. He gravitated towards the world of organized crime as a young boy. Did

00:22:25.680 he have options not to join the mob absolutely but once you go in it's all in or nothing so he's

00:22:32.760 out there that's his brand now and his little thing is i gotta send you this um he's he's got

00:22:38.440 like an influencer beef with another mob guy who does podcast stuff now like there's all these like

00:22:45.360 mob guys who are retired and do just podcasts and you know they do those videos where it's like oh

00:22:50.240 a former mafia capo watches martin scorsese movies and says what's accurate and what's not

00:22:58.080 you know they do that tour now but then they actually feud with each other that's what's so

00:23:02.940 fucking funny i have no fucking ammunition to put anybody in prison anyway yeah you never broke a

00:23:09.180 fucking egg yeah i had no they didn't give a fuck about you here you go again trying to tell

00:23:14.240 everybody you know everything you don't know a damn thing about me my life or my family

00:23:18.900 stop the baloney i never did i was on the fucking street who the fuck knew who you are

00:23:24.180 you were nothing to me really the father had a name hey my father had a fucking name

00:23:29.520 um but just to say that this sammy the bull guy is the only guy i've ever seen who's like

00:23:35.120 yeah i fucking killed 19 fucking people because he actually he just went to jail for it already

00:23:39.600 so it's not like he'd get in trouble for it he's just out there admitting to all his murders

00:23:44.980 Other than that, you can just be a guy who alludes to dangerous stuff.

00:23:51.100 So with Uncle Trout, he could be a guy who ran with the Hells Angels,

00:23:55.500 or he could just be a liar, or he could be.

00:23:57.480 But if you're a young guy now, start thinking of,

00:24:00.940 if you don't have any criminal past, start.

00:24:05.040 There's nothing wrong with a little stolen valor.

00:24:08.300 That's what I'm trying to say.

00:24:09.480 Now, would you agree with that or no?

00:24:11.360 Yeah, that's fair.

00:24:12.500 That's reasonable.

00:24:13.840 Here's the thing about stolen valor.

00:24:15.860 Anybody can do it.

00:24:17.160 It's free.

00:24:20.960 It's not even illegal.

00:24:23.020 It's not stolen valor, though.

00:24:24.620 It's stolen...

00:24:25.900 Stolen thievery, in a sense.

00:24:29.620 Stolen thievery.

00:24:31.280 If you steal a story about being a thief...

00:24:33.920 What is the exact opposite of valor?

00:24:36.100 I'm trying to think.

00:24:39.360 I'm just coming up with rape.

00:24:41.720 I know it's not rape,

00:24:42.760 but is rape adjacent right yeah fuck here's the thing about stolen valor i'm gonna give you you're

00:24:49.740 getting a lot of tips today here's how you do stolen valor i've never done it but the way you

00:24:54.560 get away with stolen valor is you don't go overboard anyone can lie about being in the

00:24:59.800 military because usually being in the military fucking sucks and if you have a story that you

00:25:07.080 were just like a fucking jag officer a jag off you know or it's like yeah i was in i was in the

00:25:15.340 navy for seven years and i was uh you know system operations guy like yeah probably sure that and

00:25:22.980 that's like 80 percent of the guys in the military it's just the middle glut you know you're in the

00:25:29.340 air force but you're not in top gun anyone could be in the air force just don't put yourself in top

00:25:34.820 i i'm not sure where i land on like on the one hand you have a guy who has you know got the baby

00:25:41.880 wrists never fired a gun thinks that you know anime uniforms are real puts on his his uh his

00:25:49.380 his you know what is it a comic-con outfit and he goes to tim hortons and asks for a discount

00:25:55.600 there's that guy we're just we're describing a real guy right now sorry well no so that's one

00:26:03.140 type of guy that's not the guy you think i'm describing then there's the guy you think i'm

00:26:06.280 describing who is actually in the navy but works in one of those pissant reserve positions that

00:26:11.100 nobody fucking cares about but walks around like he's the admiral and knows the queen personally

00:26:16.720 king i guess and but the thing is the second guy actually fucking believes it and will defend it

00:26:23.320 in personal conversations with his close family i i think i actually like the first guy more

00:26:28.740 because the first guy could at least write it off like haha look at this bit i just pulled the

00:26:33.020 wool over these stupid jeets at tim hortons all right that's fucking dumb and gay but i don't

00:26:38.540 hate you i'm just kind of you know you should be ashamed but the other guy like holy fuck can you

00:26:43.660 shut the fuck up nobody cares about the canadian navy yeah but here's one for that's a good point

00:26:48.820 is that is it egregious if you are utilizing stolen valor to put one over on an indian teenager

00:26:58.280 wicked sick right exactly exactly i think i think it's your duty as a canadian and how about this

00:27:05.460 is it stolen i'm gonna piss a lot of people off here watch this okay i'll buckle up

00:27:11.340 warning warning incoming irony is it actually stolen valor to just actually be a canadian

00:27:21.400 soldier in the 21st century you're stealing valor from our ancestors who actually fucking

00:27:26.860 deserved it and you just run fucking heroin ops for the global homo in iraq how about that

00:27:36.040 how about that that's going to get us in trouble he just called he just called every soldier a

00:27:41.840 faggot like not only that but a heroin trafficker okay i know i know all of the retorts to that and

00:27:47.700 i'll say i don't actually believe that but i wanted to step in it just a little okay no but

00:27:52.680 honestly um there are some guys especially like recent veterans who would probably here's the

00:27:59.120 thing this would be a situation where they can say that but we can't you know what i mean like

00:28:05.800 yeah yeah yeah i don't get to say like oh it's full of this and that but we're just never i'd

00:28:10.460 never fault a guy who thought there's a little bit of lag i think i think i missed that i think

00:28:18.580 i missed the part where you said you're what you're going to do to all the military people

00:28:21.900 nope that's all right we can leave it out

00:28:26.540 that's that's called a freebie

00:28:31.780 yeah so anyway the uncle trout thing the thing i wanted to bring up

00:28:37.380 i need because this had occurred uh when during the chat uh they talked about

00:28:45.280 the the outhouse in the backyard and they're talking about a double shitter

00:28:51.160 and me being a city slicker uh you know never seen a sneed before i'm like what's that like a

00:29:00.660 fucking side-by-side toilet and he's talked to me he's like yeah you know he snaps out he just

00:29:06.680 snaps out of the the drunkenness he's like yo what the fuck are you talking about and i don't

00:29:11.160 know who's trolling who i don't know who's laughing i'm like he gets on cat he's rooting

00:29:16.440 through a fucking box to find a camera and then he's live streaming going out back and it is an

00:29:23.900 outhouse with two toilets sitting side by side yeah it's a side by side see even now you're

00:29:31.020 you're saying like this is a thing that just happens well look i was gonna say it's a side

00:29:34.900 by side be glad it's not an over under you don't want an over under you don't want to but you're

00:29:40.340 saying that now we're gonna be talking to some of these rural guys like yeah you don't have a

00:29:43.900 fucking over under shitter you're not using gravity to your benefit like i don't at this

00:29:49.700 point i don't know whether i'm coming or going everyone who's like grew up hearing cows and

00:29:56.460 horses and talk looking to me like i'm a fucking faggot because i don't know that the guy fellas

00:30:01.260 are out here shitting side by side or at least preparing for that eventuality right yeah i'm

00:30:08.540 talking i'm talking like not even in the same room like a his and hers i'm sounding more like

00:30:13.960 a city slicker now his and hers i'm talking about two imagine two toilets pushed together

00:30:19.180 i don't know you'd be shoulder to shoulder i don't think it had a door or a working door either

00:30:23.720 i think it was just like a it was just a little shack like a shed a shit shed well no because

00:30:28.880 like the the door not being there that was incidental to the elements claiming it but

00:30:33.380 this was built for two, two best friends, but well, no, but for context, it's the,

00:30:40.440 that was there on the property when they bought it. And it's just a, uh, a curiosity of their

00:30:45.460 property. They do have toilets in their house. I'm not saying that they use it, but I'm saying

00:30:50.400 like they, they had described it like they'd seen it before. Like this is just, oh yeah,

00:30:54.960 it's one of those. We don't do it much anymore, but look, I mean, it does seem weird now,

00:31:00.260 But if you think 100 years ago, like if you have limited resources.

00:31:04.620 Okay, yeah, let's think 100 years ago.

00:31:06.640 Let's just remember that you started by saying,

00:31:09.260 you're going to justify this by saying think 100 years ago.

00:31:12.200 Go ahead.

00:31:13.220 Okay, so 100 years ago, if you had limited resources

00:31:15.700 and you got to build the shed, it takes time.

00:31:17.920 You're a hardworking guy.

00:31:19.300 Maybe your kids are sick.

00:31:20.860 You got to build this.

00:31:21.680 Maybe you have nine kids.

00:31:23.320 Did you think about that?

00:31:24.400 You got to build two outhouses.

00:31:26.240 You got all those gables in between.

00:31:27.760 That's wasted timber.

00:31:28.600 you're gonna put them right side by side in the same fucking trench anyway so you may as well just

00:31:32.140 put two seats in the same shed why not fucking three you know you've seen the pictures of like

00:31:37.100 the old uh medieval castles in the old the old jolly old england they do the same thing they had

00:31:41.860 them they'd have them in in rows facing each other yes they did facing each other the four on one

00:31:46.800 side four on the other little table in the middle nice window there for fresh air yeah are you just

00:31:52.480 horseplay no this is real that's in the castle too and it would like you'd shit down into like

00:31:57.480 the outside of the castle off the castle wall i saw that in a book when i was a kid

00:32:01.660 you seem certain and i'm gonna trust you on this okay but that even true it's all true why would

00:32:10.160 you just have a trough i a trough was not a they had seats too same thing it's just like a you put

00:32:16.820 the seat is over the trough you shit and it's the shit goes into the trough see do you think that

00:32:21.960 back then they desired privacy and just didn't have it or is this just a new modern desire this

00:32:28.360 idea that i want a divider between us i think i well i i think they some places had dividers i'm

00:32:34.360 sure they did but i i think what i'm pointing out i'm serious about this is we take for granted

00:32:38.800 the resource availability in the 20th century like you can just go out and get a bunch of material

00:32:45.180 like even a hundred years ago plywood didn't exist if you wanted to put even a small panel up

00:32:51.400 you had to mill a hardwood board sand it finish it cut it to shape like that's a whole that's a

00:32:57.480 day's work to put up a panel right so you might you might not care that much some people might

00:33:03.440 and some people might not like now it seems ridiculous because it's like well maybe with

00:33:07.500 the price price of plywood now maybe it's not ridiculous maybe we should maybe we should go

00:33:11.720 around to derelict malls and rip down the dividers between the toilets and we can use it to build our

00:33:18.020 house see i can smell the sweat on your brow building a case for this and i like where you

00:33:26.240 ended up and i think that it was worth the journey to get there yes i think we should honestly if

00:33:31.840 this ends up as it often ends up with us going into derelict malls and ripping the fucking pipes

00:33:36.460 and copper wiring out of the walls fuck yeah which you know what like everyone talks about

00:33:41.720 Aaron talks about, like, scrappings beneath them.

00:33:44.060 First of all, die.

00:33:47.900 Second of all, come back to life, get over here, listen to me.

00:33:52.760 Houses are the number one place people think of,

00:33:54.700 oh, I'm going to go rip the pipes out of a house.

00:33:56.640 No one's thinking about the malls that no one even gives a shit about.

00:34:00.460 Nobody even cares.

00:34:01.900 Nobody's going to those malls.

00:34:03.460 I love old malls.

00:34:05.100 That's a weird thing to say, isn't it?

00:34:06.640 We went to Northumberland Mall.

00:34:09.420 That was a couple of weeks ago.

00:34:10.700 is quite far from us but this fucking place it was crazy they have got it's what do they call

00:34:16.160 that with it's a dead mall it's a dead mall right the theater the theater is still running and

00:34:22.560 there's a hearts which is like the liquidator place so there's a hearts and a theater and like

00:34:26.820 a real estate office the entire rest of the mall is gutted but it's been maintained like it's swept

00:34:31.600 up so it's clean like there's a janitor that's his job there's a janitor every day clean to this

00:34:36.240 whole fucking place but there's no other shops and they haven't redecorated it since like the

00:34:40.680 mid 80s so it's all like rotten roof tiles and the weird like shapes and colors like the late 80s

00:34:46.420 designs it was crazy but like that fucking place i swear you could go in there when nobody's looking

00:34:50.900 there's no cameras in there you could get into i'm not kidding i'm not saying you should do it

00:34:54.920 but you could go into one of those places crack the lock even during broad daylight and go into

00:34:59.420 one of these shops and fucking do whatever you're gonna do i'm always thinking like we can go in

00:35:03.260 there you can get a fucking you know bolt cutter get in there and open a business could just go in

00:35:10.700 and open a store you go in like with like the hood and the mask the dead of night and you're

00:35:16.240 just opening up like a fucking ice cream shop yeah i'm open an ice cream shop you open up a fine

00:35:21.720 italian leather shoes oh man i because that's the thing i would always go to old malls and i know

00:35:26.720 it's a bit of it's like a reddit thing now there's a subreddit about dead malls or whatever they call

00:35:31.600 it now um it's probably exhausting for people but i always loved it because i would go to these

00:35:37.220 uh growing up and it's a mall and there's a maybe it's a liminal space eeriness to it but

00:35:43.660 i always i don't know i was always fixated on the businesses that were clinging on by the

00:35:48.780 fingernails you know and a lot of them closed down a lot of vacant spaces but then you would see

00:35:55.040 the oddest stores side by side the ones that survived and i thought this is a great

00:36:00.280 almost a filtration system for capitalism like at the end of the day all the bullshit aside here's

00:36:07.320 the stuff that for some reason still makes money and the picture you get is a tuxedo rental store

00:36:14.480 right beside a bong store yeah the places that we're actually making sales and not just floating

00:36:20.120 and a place that sells like south american track pants that are just like two sizes too small like

00:36:26.480 it's it's south american size so everything is like it's tight and you put it on and it grabs

00:36:32.860 your cock and balls and it brings them right to the front and you're thinking this is how south

00:36:37.400 americans live every day sorry i cut you off no i was gonna say uh they say uh when the tide goes

00:36:43.480 out you get to see who wasn't wearing any shorts that's what they say is out is that what you say

00:36:49.220 or is that what they say that's a warren buffettism i think is it but that was good but no but i like

00:36:54.320 that because i you see that i love that in malls like you see these places and you're like how are

00:36:57.920 these places making money and the answer is they're not and then when the economy's bad two

00:37:02.540 thirds of them go out of business but you get to see who was actually wearing shorts who was

00:37:06.600 actually making sales that whole time so that's cool yeah i love and people will think that's

00:37:11.740 that's stupid or corny or something but i don't know there's something charming about there's

00:37:15.380 something walking there and there's like you and five other people it's just uh seniors who go

00:37:19.880 there for their morning walks yeah and there's a there's the one restaurant it's an orange julius

00:37:24.860 and it's the only thing still there because apparently people are still going there for

00:37:29.040 their orange julius i've never been there i don't know what an orange julius is i think it's a drink

00:37:33.880 but they sell food i don't know yeah i want to i want to tell a quick story related to this if we

00:37:39.760 got the time but it's an interesting thing that i wish was implemented in canada and the u.s

00:37:43.720 and that is in hong kong because nobody owns land there they're on government leases and the

00:37:49.180 government has the ability to like essentially kick all the tenants out and knock a building

00:37:52.940 over for whatever fucking reason like they're putting in a highway it's like eminent domain

00:37:56.440 or or whatever but they don't need like a good reason so anyways for this because of this you

00:38:01.500 have old districts with like commercial buildings factory buildings apartment buildings many of these

00:38:05.580 have ground floor because hong kong is very dense and the ground floor is usually retail so you have

00:38:08.960 these really nice retail shops but the government comes and says oh you know we're going to knock

00:38:12.220 these blocks down we're giving everybody two years to vacate um which is a nice that you're giving

00:38:16.640 them two years but the thing is is now there's a push on to sell so over the next two years

00:38:20.480 everybody sells so by the time you're six months from the from the deadline these places are all

00:38:24.720 fucking vacant the apartments are vacant and then the neighborhood turns to dog shit right um and

00:38:30.260 it's all crime because it's a bunch of vacant lots and it's like okay so how do we solve this problem

00:38:33.500 so they change the law where in these places or in anywhere in the city now you're allowed to have

00:38:39.540 like no contract short-term rentals for retail and commercial there's a whole system for it and

00:38:45.160 And when I short short term, I mean like a week at a time, three days at a time.

00:38:49.040 So you go to these districts with these condemned buildings, and they're actually some of the busiest places to shop because you've got completely gutted retail strip malls with some of them don't even have glass in the front.

00:39:01.820 They're just fucking concrete shells.

00:39:03.740 But you got some guy goes in there with a bunch of Chinese shit and a cash register on a cardboard box selling stuff for two dollars.

00:39:11.180 And it's so much fun.

00:39:12.340 Like, it's a great place to shop.

00:39:13.580 and i should say a lot of them this is like a great way for people to get in on the ground

00:39:18.660 floor in small business right you've got teenagers that will get a bunch of shit together go to china

00:39:22.740 bring it back and they'll just sell it on weekends because the rent is like four dollars a day and

00:39:28.240 you can rent by the day so i mean that's vibe but when we would go to chinatown or in toronto

00:39:33.620 there's a place called the pacific mall that you know you've been there i've been there we went

00:39:37.540 there together a few times but i always got that vibe where this is built the whole mall's built

00:39:41.640 like a big skeleton that's designed for people to have these short term like there are these narrow

00:39:47.400 almost closet stores and there's always people cycling in and out and there's people selling

00:39:52.600 like weird handbags or like pirated games and shit right and you go back next time it's different

00:39:58.320 stores entirely but it's right for that so i mean my assumption is is this is prevented by the

00:40:03.300 canadian government through regulation because i mean come on it always is right but i can't

00:40:06.880 imagine another reason why they wouldn't allow that if you have a place like northumberland for

00:40:10.820 example that is so shot that is completely dead but there's still people there for the theater

00:40:15.560 and for hearts and there's a and the the real estate like why wouldn't you just say look this

00:40:20.600 place is i mean it's all vacant why don't we just open it up and you say on saturdays and sundays

00:40:27.080 maybe somebody can use it for a farmer's market or fucking whatever right and just charge them

00:40:31.340 charge them 50 bucks i'm seeing this more and more now and it's only within the past couple

00:40:35.800 of years and at the very least here in Ontario, Canada, I'm seeing more businesses that are built

00:40:41.840 to service entrepreneurs and these small businesses. I'll give you two examples. So one,

00:40:47.020 I'm seeing these, they're like big industrial kitchens that rent out their space and what

00:40:52.400 they're renting them out to these like little small upstart catering companies, which has never

00:40:57.440 existed before. It's just like you go and it's like a big, for anyone who's never been in like

00:41:02.920 a big proper restaurant kitchen you know we're talking about all the tools huge gas ovens huge

00:41:07.920 deep lines of deep fryers big fridges and everything and you just rent it out by the hour

00:41:12.700 by the day so it's like oh i have a big catering deal and i need i need a space to make all the

00:41:18.180 suit and i'll rent this place for the day and then get it done but i'm seeing that and i'm actually

00:41:22.700 seeing more of what you described which is spaces that are designed not only for retail but

00:41:29.240 restaurants specifically there's a lot of these like experimental restaurant spaces where it's

00:41:34.840 i think the idea is that you rent it out for a discounted price and then you just hope that

00:41:40.520 you're getting the the fucking workday crowd you know the nine to fivers in there but

00:41:45.800 there's more places being set up that are designed for short-term leases now and i don't know

00:41:51.540 if that's reflective of you know the economy or yeah the dollar or whatever but it's chinese

00:41:58.120 hong kong shit that's here now it's not just because of all the hong kong people it's that

00:42:03.100 everyone's trying to make every squeeze every dollar and everyone's everyone's an entrepreneur

00:42:08.440 because everyone's like there's no jobs what do i do i gotta fucking rub two sticks together

00:42:11.940 and then usually if you're you know a young person it's like i'm gonna start a cupcake company i'm

00:42:18.600 gonna sell a food truck some shit it's always food related right so whether that's good or bad i don't

00:42:24.340 know but yeah no no one no one in canada is and i think i don't know if you can do it because the

00:42:30.220 population's not here i don't think you can have a lot of upstart import export companies because

00:42:35.940 there's just not enough people in canada to you know if you just start up a store bring in cool

00:42:41.880 exotic stuff this is why businesses internationally hate starting in canada i think the the problem

00:42:48.140 with that specific because i do i actually do a little bit of that but um like you if you go

00:42:52.880 through amazon you can actually make some money but aside from amazon you are a little bit fucked

00:42:58.020 because amazon takes takes the whole market because they have better logistics but even

00:43:02.160 with amazon fba the logistics within canada are like four times the cost per item than uh than

00:43:08.940 in the states just because we're so we're so sparse out here right so i think yeah if you're

00:43:14.420 going to do import export you could do it you just have to be somewhat local and figure out

00:43:18.900 how how you could compete with amazon on logistics and the answer is you can't like you can't compete

00:43:24.620 on a national level but you compete locally because like even uh even amazon is locally

00:43:30.040 bringing stuff in from the states on amazon it's from here like i got stuff on order right now

00:43:34.320 coming from kentucky and it's like three weeks so i mean i could beat that if i was selling it

00:43:39.560 locally i don't know it's possible we're talking i don't know if people like the import export talk

00:43:45.680 we got we got old malls we got picking a fight with yeah sorry guys um yeah so anyway we'll get

00:43:53.840 off of the uncle trout i that i just wanted an excuse to talk about the the double decker toilets

00:43:58.380 um there's a couple of news things that really uh they came across my desk just today and yesterday

00:44:05.720 so i don't know if i had um a lot to say but did you see this the heckler and coach of the gun

00:44:13.840 manufacturer that got in some trouble because of their social media manager this of course it's

00:44:21.080 social media manager so it's assumed that it's a lady and it was heckler and co that's right so

00:44:26.960 what a lot of people are pointing out here's the original tweet wow woke allow me to translate

00:44:32.340 objectifying women was never a good marketing strategy again incorrect in the in the in the

00:44:39.940 Firearms industry, that was a prominent strategy until recently.

00:44:44.040 Many industries have done that, including Beer Corpse.

00:44:47.480 As an actual woman typing this, I'll use more words,

00:44:52.680 and then it goes on to be extremely condescending.

00:44:55.860 So, of course, the internet ascended upon Angela Harrell,

00:45:00.320 who is the marketing manager at Heckler & Coal USA.

00:45:05.660 It was that they were trying to take a stand against objectification

00:45:09.420 of women in gun sales and then she's like you know as a woman i think it's good we take a stand

00:45:16.260 long story short uh the company just released a um another tweet saying that you know we don't

00:45:25.580 engage in identity politics mistakes were made you know we're sorry you know and it just it

00:45:33.120 it seems so jarring because just recently there was a second beer brand that okay so we've got

00:45:40.660 the bud light controversy with the dylan mulvaney thing then there's the miller light i believe

00:45:48.360 controversy where they released an ad with the fucking bitch from broad city i think it is

00:45:54.240 a well-produced well shot invested money in this ad talking about how you know the first beer

00:46:01.960 brewers were actually women it's like a feminist beer ad well middle light is the latest beer brand

00:46:07.720 facing a stunning backlash for a man bashing ad the u.s beer famously used playboy models

00:46:13.640 in its signature campaigns throughout the 90s and early 2000s mega markle of course

00:46:18.200 went on to be a suitcase girl on deal or no deal fronted this ad for the brand in 2010

00:46:22.840 but their new commercial strikes a rather different tone

00:46:25.240 Here's a little known fact, women were among the very first to brew beer ever.

00:46:32.700 From Mesopotamia to the Middle Ages to Colonial America, women were the ones doing the brewing.

00:46:38.280 Centuries later, how did the industry pay homage to the founding mothers of beer?

00:46:42.360 They put us in bikinis.

00:46:44.360 Wow.

00:46:45.360 Look at this s**t, wild.

00:46:52.240 It's time beer made it up to women.

00:46:53.960 So today, Miller Lite is on a mission to clean up not just their sh**,

00:46:56.580 but the whole beer industry's sh**.

00:46:58.840 And again, pushback, controversy, woke, blah, blah, blah.

00:47:04.040 But it came right on the heels of the Bud Light thing.

00:47:08.080 That's a strange thing to do.

00:47:09.460 And then there's this heckler and coach thing.

00:47:13.020 But it seemed that the woke play and then the heel turn

00:47:20.040 and the mea culpa afterwards because bud light is is frantic trying to regain back their market

00:47:26.380 share after the dylan mulvaney thing so it just struck me i'm like is this almost a strategy in

00:47:33.300 itself is this some kind of it's like a woke rug pull sacrifice like is is there a marketing

00:47:40.980 strategy being deployed here where a company does a woke thing and and blames it on an individual

00:47:49.320 like a feminist or some jewish lady and then just just for the purpose of sacrificing that

00:47:57.020 individual to the crowd so they can make a point saying we're not woke at all you know what i mean

00:48:02.620 like is yeah and if you do it fast enough you don't need to really suffer any significant drop

00:48:09.340 in market share like within a day if you do a woke thing boom apology taking a stand so you kind of

00:48:14.080 play both sides in a sense and it's it's like you're offering up a sacrifice in a sense

00:48:20.300 does that sound like something no no that makes sense like our ancestors would slaughter a fatted

00:48:25.800 calf and in this case they're slaughtering a fatted cankle but like they're there's something

00:48:31.860 they're doing it i think that is actually what they're doing i don't know how effective

00:48:36.080 it is because i think there's definitely some people like with the bud light thing

00:48:41.340 there's definitely people that even if they were to pull back now are like now fuck this you let

00:48:45.820 it happen or like you didn't respond fast enough like h and k they they seem to respond it was like

00:48:51.540 three days or something right that they turned around and said no so but i mean if you don't

00:48:56.480 respond quickly enough i think you you got uh some some smoldering embers there that are maybe not

00:49:02.680 going to go away so yeah and maybe people are so used to because it almost what happened the the

00:49:09.380 trade-off here and i'm not saying that's precisely what they are doing but you could i could imagine

00:49:14.580 myself as an executive on these these firms these companies saying like look here's how we do this

00:49:20.900 we can we can make ourselves look better by by taking a stand against this in a relatively

00:49:28.980 benign way you know because they won't tolerate us saying that we don't have an opinion on it but we

00:49:34.840 need to make it look like we're excising something from us and like maybe that leads to more sales

00:49:43.940 you know what i mean like i don't know like it just seems that even if it's not on purpose

00:49:47.800 it could be on purpose and i could envision a world where a lot of companies do something like

00:49:54.640 this now that it's safe you know what i mean anyway because you know they'll see that if if

00:50:00.680 what they're doing i think this is the important thing they're making their customers feel engaged

00:50:07.720 it's almost like it's almost like a consumer engagement false flag where like we're going to

00:50:13.900 intend to we're sacrificing this person and we're going to make it make the our diehard customers

00:50:19.740 make it seem like we're listening to them i was i was thinking about that as well like even with

00:50:25.420 bud light because i remember you were you were telling me and that was news to me that bud light

00:50:29.740 was like a a frat bro thing because i guess we don't we don't have those here so i only see like

00:50:33.820 boomers drinking but the idea that oh i can't believe they would do that it's going to piss

00:50:38.600 their whole client base off but what if it's not like what if what if most of their sure their

00:50:44.580 customers i mean what if most of their their target demographic doesn't really like it but

00:50:48.760 also doesn't care that much if the doesn't care that much is smaller than the size of the

00:50:54.620 controversy then just the controversy alone is an anchor that keeps the brand front of mind for

00:50:59.720 them for weeks. And then maybe that is actually enough to drive sales. I don't know. I haven't

00:51:05.020 seen the numbers. I wouldn't say I'd be surprised. I would bet against it, but I wouldn't be surprised

00:51:10.640 if it weren't true. I don't think that's what Bud Light did, just so people don't think we're

00:51:14.680 going off the reservation. Oh, no, no. I don't think they did, but I think that you actually

00:51:18.580 probably could do that with some stuff. Yeah, because I think Bud Light did just fuck up,

00:51:22.620 because no one wants to lose money. That's the other thing people say, like, these companies

00:51:26.420 don't care if they lose money well they do you know they'll lie and say they don't care but i

00:51:30.940 think at the end of the day if like the fact that gillette lost you know when i say lose money we're

00:51:37.460 talking hundreds of millions of dollars sometimes like no one wants to lose hundreds of millions of

00:51:40.860 dollars but i do think there is a way for them to do this where what you have a demographic

00:51:48.760 that is passive and you can turn them into stakeholders by doing by getting them involved

00:51:56.860 like they just got their diehard demographic involved in bud light in a way they've probably

00:52:01.860 never been involved with a brand before so they got their you know they're probably running an

00:52:07.360 equation some algorithm by saying look we're gonna lose a certain amount of market share but

00:52:12.900 the people who actually speak up and fight for this to fight to save bud light or fight to save

00:52:19.880 h and k it's like well now you've got what we call brand evangelists what you've got is you know the

00:52:26.560 brand stakeholders where there might not have been brand stakeholders before

00:52:30.800 so and that engages them and maybe that ends up with them buying more beer because here's the

00:52:37.800 other thing that happens if even though there's some people who might never buy bud light again

00:52:43.940 or they might never buy miller light again whatever there's some people where they feel

00:52:48.380 like they helped correct them so they're going to buy more now they're actually going to subtly

00:52:53.780 think i'm going to reward this company by buying more by drinking more now maybe that's not much

00:52:59.580 on an individual basis but in aggregate you know i would look at their sales long term anyway this

00:53:04.840 is all just speculation i'm not saying this is a massive conspiracy but this is what people think

00:53:10.680 of on a marketing level when you're in a high organizations like this make so much revenue

00:53:17.560 and they have access to so much data analytics and they've been around for so long that they've got

00:53:22.280 such refined consumer profiles that they can do stuff like this this is hard for startups to do

00:53:28.840 this is hard for small businesses to do but money is no object if you're the marketing director

00:53:35.240 at some of these like insanely big brands like coca-cola the amount of data they've got access

00:53:41.820 to is fucking ridiculous um and that's that's before we get into like tech brands and shit

00:53:48.660 but it's like these legacy brands these car brands like working with this is why it's hard

00:53:53.860 for agencies to work with car brands

00:53:55.820 because they're the bell of the ball

00:53:57.640 and they've got standards and they've got

00:53:59.880 like a team of hundreds who've got

00:54:01.680 like whatever, like the

00:54:03.780 software you need that costs $10,000

00:54:05.600 a month just to get access to like

00:54:07.360 building, you know, machine learning

00:54:09.500 profiles on individuals. They've

00:54:11.700 got that. So it's like, what are you

00:54:13.760 bringing to the table, agency? They're just

00:54:15.760 collecting. This is what these big brands do. They go around

00:54:17.680 collecting agencies as slaves.

00:54:20.600 That's why I got so

00:54:21.600 disheartened with the industry. I'm like

00:54:23.800 I don't want to just be a slave.

00:54:25.560 At the highest level, these creative directors are fucking slaves to Coca-Cola, to Disney.

00:54:31.580 If you have Disney as a client, fucking forget having balls.

00:54:35.900 I hope you like sawing off your balls every day.

00:54:38.820 You better find some balls for tomorrow because they want fresh balls every day.

00:54:42.820 And they want to see you cut them off.

00:54:44.760 So the night before, you're sewing on new balls.

00:54:51.020 It's like testicle multi-level marketing.

00:54:53.800 it's like testicle multi-level marketing i was about i was about to say it was like test i knew

00:54:59.340 i just figured that i would just jump you there you know but this is just you know i don't want

00:55:05.420 to get off on a whole marketing thing but you know this is why it's like with the cia it's like any

00:55:09.860 other you know sovereign entity any developed military it's never like what do i think they're

00:55:17.600 doing it's what could they do because if they can do it they've probably done it if they're not doing

00:55:23.440 it it's because they can't do it if the american military if the cia isn't doing something it's

00:55:28.180 because they tried doing and figured out they couldn't or they figured out that it wasn't worth

00:55:31.820 it but you know the key to the if you're a conspiracy guy the key to unlocking it is

00:55:37.660 don't think of what they are doing think of what put yourself in their shoes what they could do

00:55:42.280 and just assume they've done it at some point like like with you if there's not ufo if there's

00:55:48.240 not alien life on earth it's because they've tried for so long to bring alien life here and

00:55:53.820 they couldn't you know what i mean it's not for lack of trying you know and the shit they've got

00:55:59.440 going now it's because they've worked very very hard if there's not like that's the whole thing

00:56:04.060 of mk ultra look what the shit they tried they tried to make fucking trauma assassins that's the

00:56:09.060 one we know about that's the one they think it's safe to tell us about they do all the shit they're

00:56:13.400 not they all the kooky insane shit we're gonna figure out in 100 years anyway i'm saying shit

00:56:17.760 people already know i'll tell you what's not a conspiracy patriot front oh yes oh thank you

00:56:26.620 i appreciate that they wore their little masks and they had their little shields and they held

00:56:31.760 upside down american flags this is once again the white supremacist glee club that calls itself

00:56:36.820 patriot front um they marched this weekend in dc trying to intimidate people chanting

00:56:42.640 chanting racist slogans um and i'm seeing patriot front i'm seeing get discussed more and more

00:56:49.660 uh from bigger and bigger channels and i remember patriot front emerged years ago

00:56:55.020 um and it's mainly our guys talking about it there was even antifa kind of noticed them but

00:57:00.440 they came out of nowhere that was what was so effective about them they really they're like a

00:57:04.340 got flash mob energy about them but there it was mainly i thought our side talking about the

00:57:11.100 mainstream media hadn't really figured them out yet

00:57:13.760 but they're at the point where I'm seeing

00:57:15.840 mainstream podcasts

00:57:17.660 talking heads, every news channel

00:57:19.720 they're talking about Patriot Front

00:57:21.100 and they all seem to have the same

00:57:23.560 conclusion. Not all of them

00:57:25.640 but a lot of them do. CNN thinks

00:57:27.760 they're a serious threat but a lot of the

00:57:29.700 libs and the shit libs they seem to think

00:57:31.700 that they're feds.

00:57:34.380 Uniformed white nationalist group marches

00:57:35.860 on Lincoln Memorial. CNN's all in.

00:57:37.620 They're like we're all in on this. Come on show us.

00:57:40.380 Look at these guys.

00:57:41.100 Look at these guys. Where's the fat people?

00:57:44.760 How come they're all wearing the same clothes do that again? What the is this is that if you ever seen anything looks more like feds?

00:57:51.060 Tell me that doesn't look like feds

00:57:53.060 Right, it's like the 101st Airborne. Oh, look at this. These guys are all runners. These guys look at

00:57:57.640 They just got out of buds. I mean look out of here. It could be real right. They could be real

00:58:02.900 They could be real Matt Taibbi. I'm an unreliable source, and I'm a comedian

00:58:06.020 apparently there's over 100 guys out here by some accounts and i haven't seen one single tattoo

00:58:12.420 anywhere and these are supposed to be white supremacists this this almost isn't believable

00:58:17.160 and we'll talk more about that in a second but let's continue watching this video

00:58:20.280 more white supremacy so this is i think why more white supremacy means more budget justification

00:58:29.260 with zero risk more excuses to crack down on citizens in the name of fighting white supremacy

00:58:34.880 See, this is all part of the plan.

00:58:36.300 But to me, I think it's also part of the FBI plan to make MAGA so unpalatable that they can get them kind of outlawed as a group, you know, call them a terrorist organization or whatever.

00:58:49.140 And that's what this is.

00:58:50.180 This is to get people hating on MAGA.

00:58:52.560 They're escorted.

00:58:54.200 Nobody messes with them.

00:58:55.700 They're completely escorted.

00:58:56.820 They got all their vans lined up.

00:58:58.640 Who's renting these vans?

00:59:01.040 With Zuckerbucks, most likely.

00:59:02.980 They're all wearing masks.

00:59:04.380 there's nobody around them supporting them there is no organic support like there is nobody cheering

00:59:09.660 them on these are fucking assholes nobody's on these people this is the fuck you when you graduate

00:59:15.020 from quantico you're you this is this is your graduation ceremony you have to do this this is

00:59:20.280 how you before you get your fucking desk in fbi's asshole building you have to go do this what do

00:59:27.020 you think about that first of all what do you think about patriot everyone in agreement that

00:59:30.860 hatred funds it's interesting because i haven't seen any i don't watch cnn but i haven't seen

00:59:36.680 linked coverage of them from cnn but they've been around for a while and only recently have

00:59:41.800 they picked up any steam in mainstream media and to me the fact that something like charlottesville

00:59:48.300 for example became a massive news event uh for the mainstream and these guys haven't like as

00:59:56.560 much as they probably should like their events are quite large they're organized they're probably

01:00:00.540 pretty intimidating if you're there and they don't really seem to get that much coverage

01:00:05.080 relatively speaking to me this is like it's it's they they only cover what they want to cover

01:00:13.900 you know what i mean the elites so i don't think they're feds because i think if they were feds

01:00:18.840 the whole point would be to frighten people that the right wing is rising or whatever so you would

01:00:24.240 think that they would actually make the front page news and that's why i think that they're

01:00:27.860 one of the main reasons i think they're not i think i think that's it i think and we'll get to

01:00:33.660 a couple other points there but i think you hit the nail on the head there which is if there is

01:00:38.960 a psyop if there is sort of a consensus being built it's that i i think they would rather

01:00:45.180 pretend that they are feds to take the wind out of their sails because they they would rather

01:00:51.400 believe that something like this can't exist they want the regular joes in america

01:00:57.460 to believe that something this coordinated,

01:01:01.100 something this well-organized,

01:01:03.680 something this large,

01:01:05.060 it's impossible that regular people could do that.

01:01:07.920 Because just to refresh people's memory,

01:01:10.420 the arguments you're hearing against Patriot Front now

01:01:13.420 are the ones that I heard around our scene months ago,

01:01:17.340 years ago, actually,

01:01:18.460 when we first started hearing about them.

01:01:20.220 Because we heard people say,

01:01:21.340 oh yeah, they're probably feds.

01:01:22.280 Because there's a lot of guys in our scene

01:01:23.800 who think everyone's a fed, right?

01:01:25.800 They'll say stuff like, look at them.

01:01:27.460 look at them, they're so

01:01:29.460 in shape, there's no, here's how I know

01:01:31.520 they're feds, there's no

01:01:33.180 fat asses there

01:01:35.020 there's no guts hanging out

01:01:37.640 we've just internalized this

01:01:39.620 this has come from our side, we've internalized

01:01:41.780 this belief that any genuine right

01:01:43.640 wing movement's gotta be filled with

01:01:45.180 dysgenic freaks, but I don't think it's

01:01:47.680 I don't know how much that is really coming from our

01:01:49.680 side, I think maybe some of our side parroted it

01:01:51.680 but I think it's like Q Boomers

01:01:53.620 who probably came up with that theory, because they're

01:01:55.660 the ones that are a bunch of armchair faggots that sit around yeah well there's like yeah it's

01:02:01.140 the q people there's a lot i you're right it's them but it's also a lot of guys who are really

01:02:05.580 really far right on our side who like have a bone to pick with the njp people like there's people

01:02:11.220 who've done like protests and they're like oh they're these guys are too cool like they they

01:02:16.420 they're just anti-protest generally um but then well you kind of talk about guys that are so

01:02:22.380 so black-pilled i don't know what you call that but like spiraling and paranoia that

01:02:26.860 nothing is real and everyone is the enemy it's the same guys that are gonna call everybody out

01:02:31.240 for their religious affiliation and like and i i i go out of my way to identify these people and

01:02:38.220 then block or mute them to be honest also i i don't even follow the logic of it it's like oh

01:02:44.080 yeah it's not like charlottesville i'm like there was fit people in charlottesville and also when

01:02:49.160 most of the guys if you took the ab like just get a lineup of a hundred of the guys from

01:02:54.260 charlottesville just randomly you're gonna have maybe maybe 10 guys that are fat enough to call

01:03:01.060 them fat and the other 90 if you put them in those fucking uniforms that's patriot front

01:03:06.200 like well i also it's like where's all the fat guys in patriot front i look at a photo i'm like

01:03:10.880 well there's three yeah i see three doughy guys like i don't know they're not in mobility scooters

01:03:17.020 and i would say on aggregate they are fitter than average for sure but they're not like

01:03:22.580 inconceivably fit you know they're just like they take care of themselves you know what you're

01:03:27.260 looking at you're looking at a bunch of guys that respect themselves that's all it is like is that

01:03:31.360 shocking to you i don't know well it's like the right generally broadly we tend to be the guys

01:03:37.880 who are really really into fitness it's not surprising to me it's like okay not everyone's

01:03:42.220 gonna be a fucking ripped adonis but like mo half of everyone's in construction and trades everyone

01:03:48.340 you know i mean like it's not inconceivable and it's not even that they're athletes it's like

01:03:53.640 they're just not obese and then i i was listening to i was listening to it was joe rogan and it was

01:04:01.020 jimmy door i think they were both calling them feds it's like look at them they have the same

01:04:04.900 clothes on i'm like like the standards for being feds is you all know how to buy khakis you know

01:04:13.360 i mean like like even the black block people you know i mean like the anti-fuck people's like who

01:04:18.660 what are the odds that they'd all be wearing black i'm like it's it's not hard to do it's

01:04:24.660 like that's fed that's fed behavior i'm like i've seen two feds in a room who are wearing

01:04:28.760 different fucking shirts joe like what what argument is this i don't but he was so they're

01:04:33.960 so convinced and matt he's with matt taebi matt taebi who i like i actually lack like him i

01:04:40.100 followed him for most of his journalistic career he's one of like five journalists i like and i

01:04:45.760 don't agree with him on everything but i kind of i like his mind i like the stuff he's covered but

01:04:50.560 even he was like their feds and he's citing you know the government's done this in the past and

01:04:56.380 they've done this to you know the black panthers before i'm like yeah well like the black panthers

01:05:00.160 we're a real organization now if the argument is is it possible that patriot front has some

01:05:07.180 federal agents in there trying to support it almost certainly almost yeah and i say that

01:05:14.160 because they are they seem to be large and effective and if you were of the government

01:05:20.440 you would say let's keep an eye on them so probably one of you not only are those two

01:05:25.500 statements not the same they're mutually exclusive like one of them is saying this organization

01:05:31.580 is run by the government and is against us secretly the other one is saying this is our

01:05:37.600 organization and it is so powerful and growing so rapidly that the government has been forced

01:05:43.600 to infiltrate it you know what i mean so like are are there and i guess it's important to point that

01:05:48.940 out maybe some people that are saying all their feds they're saying like there are feds within

01:05:52.460 the organization definitely there's probably feds in our chat right now but i mean that's not the

01:05:57.800 same thing as saying it's a c it's an op you know like it's literally what's his name the i forget

01:06:03.660 the paul revere whatever the fucking guy with the long hair and the cowboy hat he's got some great

01:06:09.100 fucking american like revolutionary name i forget yeah but uh but the thing is like and some people

01:06:15.800 will have the argument like when's the last time you've seen a far right march or movement in public

01:06:21.900 get police escorts and i'm gonna say something now that might people might get their back up

01:06:28.620 when they hear it i think it's more evidence of how far you can get when you don't have swastikas

01:06:36.920 amazing really like i mean that like really just take a breath and consider this that perhaps

01:06:46.160 especially now perhaps if you look at patriot front you see what they look like you know i

01:06:51.360 think the worst thing they had was like an upside down american flag they're carrying placards that

01:06:55.620 say faith family folk shit like that you know um there's not a black sun the sonorad there's none

01:07:03.740 of that so i'm like you know all they're mostly like red white and blue now yeah it's very

01:07:09.620 american centric so to me visually i'm like there's nothing really offensive there to the

01:07:15.320 average person you would need to convince them that they're far-right nazis you have to say

01:07:20.660 because you look at their signs like what they're for family they're for tradition what's wrong

01:07:24.240 with tradition you would need an antifa person in your face saying no actually look at this video i

01:07:29.660 found like but but which is to say that one of the things and again people might get their backup

01:07:35.880 about this and we are generally charlottesville defenders there's a lot of guys with swastika

01:07:42.160 stuff there and that tends to get uh you know everything else gets lost in the fog of that but

01:07:48.460 it seemed i think if you remove that yeah if you if you don't make it easy for them maybe you do

01:07:55.320 get a police escort right and this so we're not trying we're not passing judgment on black sun

01:08:00.840 swastika we're not passing judgment on blood gang we're saying that if you take patriot front and

01:08:07.240 you take away the face masks and the marching in columns they look like a fucking charity event

01:08:11.900 you know there's nothing quote-unquote fascist or right-wing about them they look like they're

01:08:18.440 it's like it's the it's the weekend carnival and bring your kids which is which is without

01:08:24.040 without judging it it's it is a thing it's a certain thing and if you want the average person

01:08:29.240 to be comfortable with it if you want to be close enough to center conservatives for them to just

01:08:37.240 say you know what i do wish that you know people would go back to church these are the guys that

01:08:42.440 they're going to be leaning towards they're not going to be leaning towards blood gang blood gang

01:08:45.960 has it fills a different role but i mean to to even to point that shit out and be like that's

01:08:51.600 why they're feds fuck you and this is all of the interest of building a case to say that

01:08:56.080 i don't think you need to be a fed group to get away with what they got away with

01:09:00.780 yeah and also i was on twitter um and i was not in a debate with someone but i was witnessing a

01:09:07.580 debate and people were like oh um these because these guys at this protest some of them were

01:09:13.980 handcuffed sitting on the grass and they were saying that oh when's the last time you saw

01:09:18.920 someone get arrested and they got to keep their face mask on and it's like well i don't are you

01:09:24.000 an expert on people getting arrested with masks like i don't know what that statement means i'm

01:09:28.400 like maybe it happens a lot maybe it never happens i actually don't fucking know if you got some rule

01:09:33.840 that the cops always have to unmask you when they've just arrested you go ahead i guess but

01:09:38.460 um one thing was they're like oh when's the last you know they don't have any mug shots available

01:09:43.380 and then someone posted like a whole like 30 guys from a patriot front uh protest like a year ago

01:09:51.340 like two years ago they got arrested and they're like well here's their mug shots the guy's like

01:09:55.660 you fucking asshole that was like two years ago and i actually pumped him like well were any of

01:09:59.960 those people feds yeah we have the mugshots did you did you follow it's circular yeah did you

01:10:06.560 follow up to the mugshots to see if any of them were feds because if no then like no it seems

01:10:13.140 strange that that was the roadblock that really got this person this should go without saying but

01:10:17.120 at events like that people will regularly get arrested no sorry not arrested they'll get

01:10:22.560 detained or like cuffed just as a way of the cops containing the situation and getting people out of

01:10:28.400 the area they will often and they do this with antifa all the fucking time so don't say it's

01:10:32.360 just them they'll do this with antifa where they cuff them they drive them three blocks away and

01:10:35.900 then they release them because they just want them out of the area right and then even if they take

01:10:39.700 them back they arrest them they take them away they might question them and release them without

01:10:43.240 charges that happens a lot too and if they're not charging them there's no fucking mug shot it's

01:10:47.540 only when you get booked that you get a mug shot right like they're not they're not doing a fucking

01:10:51.460 mugshot because they took you down to the station to ask you questions and then and patriot front

01:10:56.060 are and again this is the thing blood gang bless their heart are out there calling for death to

01:11:03.660 the jews patriot front is out there calling for family values they're not fucking patriot front

01:11:09.600 isn't doing anything that's actually arrestable they're just doing stuff that the government

01:11:13.580 wishes was an offense right they're not actually as far as i know as far as i can tell they haven't

01:11:19.480 committed a crime you know what i mean so the only thing they'd ever be arrested for was like

01:11:24.420 disturbing the peace maybe yeah and if there's any issue that i have with blood gangs obviously

01:11:31.900 they stole our thing they stole our brand yes they did fuck those guys no you know what no

01:11:38.100 having a face tattoo dressing like a real estate agent that's all our shit that's true

01:11:44.120 that's supposed to be our fucking thing and these guys are out there

01:11:47.700 trying to hijack the brand the brand equity that we've built up over the years

01:11:54.060 yeah you know i anyway i got nothing you know i'm not even i'm not too clear on the blood

01:11:59.440 i think they're just blood gang i don't really know too much about them

01:12:03.500 blood tribe is it blood tribe or blood gang blood you know it's blood tribe it's blood

01:12:06.780 that's yeah but it seems it seems like they have the same thing with the face mask but also the

01:12:12.740 sunglasses my problem and i don't this isn't a judgment i'm just talking shit but like the

01:12:16.760 the head guy do you remember his name the head guy from patriot friend i don't know his name but

01:12:21.580 i know you're talking about he's got like a cowboy hat the problem not a problem but like the thing

01:12:25.660 that i think is funny visually is he's really got an air of confidence but he's like a foot shorter

01:12:30.920 than everybody on the team like he's a he's a small man but he's got a big hat and the top of

01:12:36.160 his hat is like the same level as the top of the other guy's heads so it's like it's almost like a

01:12:40.980 bugs bunny i'm not making fun of him sorry it's just funny no no what this is just it's the manlet

01:12:45.540 theory of history yeah there's a lot of advocates that say it's it's the short guys who changed the

01:12:51.800 world yeah and i think if you go throughout history you know i don't have any of these

01:12:56.300 sources on hand it's literally a thing that i heard from a schizophrenic but i believe it

01:13:01.920 the blood tribe videos their lead guy has got he looks like uh he's going to introduce some

01:13:07.700 pro wrestlers or something like he's got too tall black suit he's just he's taller than all the

01:13:12.360 other guys he's got the shaved head he's got the this and that wave in the arms gesticulating

01:13:16.880 he's like uh he's like an american tom soul kind of yeah but yeah he's too tall that's his problem

01:13:23.980 fucking like gotta get a shortcut this is where the 511s like we you know you either you destroy

01:13:30.360 a movement or you build a movement it's it's us like it's the six feet the 511 guys we don't do

01:13:36.160 nothing we're living in the dustbin of history but yeah no it's just funny and and you just to

01:13:45.400 circle back to your point at the start i think if anything is going on this is it it's that

01:13:50.940 i think patriot front they're not feds they just fed because if you look at what they're doing

01:13:56.140 nothing seems egregious and i think the move being deployed against them is make everyone think

01:14:04.420 and accept that it's impossible for a bunch of in-shape right-wing guys to get together

01:14:11.840 and be coordinated like it's be that would never be possible it has to be a government off because

01:14:18.100 we're so convinced that the right generally is full of fat psychos you know and i i don't like

01:14:27.080 people on our side even accepting that because that's just so defeat so if you're convinced that

01:14:31.880 we're all too fat and stupid and crazy to do anything then let's just fucking let's just be

01:14:36.520 libs another thing and i had this conversation with somebody a couple months ago about specifically

01:14:40.540 about patriot front but kind of a uh thought experiment you can do is you want to say they're

01:14:47.160 feds because like you don't know what you don't know them right you're just looking at the news

01:14:51.280 coverage and you're looking at what we've seen in video and in their presentation but talk about

01:14:56.080 all the things that we want to do and all the ways we want to organize and play that out to

01:15:01.160 its finish or at least play that out one year what do we look like we look fucking exactly like

01:15:06.340 them we don't look like blood drive we don't look like you know the fucking contras we look like

01:15:11.800 those guys we have uniforms we're organizing in the community we're handing out canned food

01:15:17.240 and we're marching at city hall like that's that what else do you fucking want like they're doing

01:15:24.660 the exact thing that we all talk about but aren't actually doing and you're calling them feds come

01:15:29.480 on yeah basically the the pocket that the right a lot of because there's a lot of divisions in the

01:15:36.160 right but really what i think everyone wants to stand against is chaos you're like an anti-entropic

01:15:42.860 entity for some people that's religion some people that's you know ethnic tradition some people

01:15:48.660 that's a political ideology but the idea is you want to be on the side of stability you want to

01:15:54.100 represents stability and coordination because the people against you the anti-fuzz the leftists

01:16:00.480 they they look like a mess they're a train wreck they're chaotic they look chaotic they behave

01:16:05.140 chaotically and so you know whatever you can do and there's different ways to do this but to be

01:16:10.580 on the side of order and maybe that order is a bit more edgy because here's i want to get speculative

01:16:16.360 here we don't always get speculative on blood salad but when we do we do so i think there's

01:16:23.960 an interesting way to do this to do them all in concert because you know part of me also looks at

01:16:28.980 it like you know everyone having the same khakis and the same having a uniform you know you know

01:16:34.340 that's okay nothing against that but what i thought might be more interesting i don't think

01:16:40.080 this has really been done before is i would like to have and i don't know how many people you would

01:16:46.300 need to pull this off but you would be engineering a different kind of event so let's say you got

01:16:52.840 how many people would you need let's say there's like 400 people let's say it's 600 people let's

01:16:59.680 say maybe maybe you need 600 people to do this let's say you get 600 people for patriot front

01:17:04.920 and then you're going to break them off into three different groups and each of these three

01:17:10.580 different groups are going to dress differently and each of these groups are going to pretend to

01:17:14.180 be a different group in reality you are the same group you're a patriot front but you are going to

01:17:19.360 engineer a vent where you're going to make it look like here is the patriot front and then here's

01:17:24.820 another group who is us but they are more of like the blood tribe you know a bit edgier a bit more

01:17:30.640 on brand for the distant right and maybe this other third group is like the alt light the james

01:17:36.860 lindsey group the you know we're just kind of center right but essentially you organize your

01:17:44.360 own protest and your own counter protest and your own kind of hangers-on existing on the outside

01:17:52.440 you essentially box antifa out you create your own false flag and you attract the journalists and

01:17:59.620 then you control the narrative so you got three groups that you control and they're sort of play

01:18:04.940 fighting against each other protesting each other creating this conflagration this narrative that

01:18:11.280 you control and that's the story you're telling like look at these these groups and at no point

01:18:15.580 can antifa even get in because then it's like okay who's antifa against are they against the

01:18:20.280 this the other kind of leftist you see what i'm saying like you would need a lot of people

01:18:26.200 you would need a lot of coordination you need time because other the controlled op groups would have

01:18:32.540 to be set up well in advance for them to be to appear legitimate so basically you're controlling

01:18:39.880 your it's controlled opposition i almost forgot there's a name for it you are controlling your

01:18:45.040 own opposition so you control your message and you come you control the only acceptable narrative

01:18:51.040 against that and it won't be the antifa narrative you will be corralling the mainstream media into

01:18:57.420 an acceptable counterpoint and that's the story because the story they're going to tell is like

01:19:01.040 look at these right-wing people show up and then then the left-wing people show up but maybe that

01:19:05.600 left-wing group that you've engineered actually agree with a few more of your points and then

01:19:09.720 that's the message that really gets through sorry i the only thing i would poke a hole in and i don't

01:19:15.160 know if this is true but it's something i sometimes suspect and that is it's kind of like what you're

01:19:19.340 talking with turnip seat about the but the lutheran issue lately um yeah when you see the media pick

01:19:26.960 up an antifa line is that because their people on the beat are hearing all the stories and deciding

01:19:34.020 to run with the left-wing line or is it because antifa and the media companies are both taking

01:19:40.140 orders from the same master and they're both on the same script and if that was the case then it

01:19:45.380 wouldn't matter if you created a controlled op even if antifa didn't show up cnn is still going

01:19:49.720 to play the antifa line because they're working for the same guy and you're you know what i mean

01:19:53.440 So I don't know. I actually have no idea which is true. I hope that's not true, but it's possible that just by the nature of this system, you wouldn't be able to run around it with control.

01:20:04.500 Let me just say, you didn't poke a hole, you blew a hole, and I'm going to be bailing water out of the ship now. That is a good point.

01:20:11.180 No, no, no. The point is that Antifa do work hand in glove. And a lot of these journalists are straight up Antifa members.

01:20:17.960 um i think we would have to rely on the idea that anti and i tried to bring this i kind of

01:20:24.980 mentioned this in the ryan turnip seed interview um i didn't get into too much where i made a

01:20:29.620 comment that antifa are the only ones like dumb enough to fall off this but i actually do think

01:20:33.980 antifa are really really disorganized and unless they are guided by some sort of authority they

01:20:42.500 can't really coordinate themselves very well because antifa in reality are a bunch of degenerate

01:20:48.560 queers and heroin addicts and homeless people and fucking it and you know bored students you know

01:20:55.680 like they're not you know they're kind of used as a shield in some way for the government to do

01:20:59.920 that so i'm trying to i think that's the we would need to figure out like what what antifa is in

01:21:05.280 2023 on on the ground level i think creating long term creating a controlled opposition group

01:21:12.400 just as a way of like splitting manpower between them and a group that's more or less doing the

01:21:18.760 same thing but is under our control is would be valuable and even splitting people's opinion like

01:21:24.220 if you had a center-left controlled op group that was counter-protesting us but in a way that was

01:21:30.440 kind of milk toast uh but maybe a little bit flashier while also being milk toast you could

01:21:35.660 probably get the public more on their side than on antifa because like we were saying in the last

01:21:39.500 episode it really is a hard sell right now with antifa because all they fucking do is like firebomb

01:21:44.820 police stations right so if you had somebody with more or less antifa's messaging but a little bit

01:21:49.380 more center and they weren't violent but they did show up at all the rallies which means they were

01:21:53.540 always on camera you'd probably have more public support for them for antifa and it would make it

01:21:58.120 easier to rain on antifa and it would make harder for antifa to recruit because for example center

01:22:03.920 left college students would not want to necessarily join that when they could join something else

01:22:08.640 which made it easier for them to virtue signal and did not risk arrest you know what might be

01:22:13.100 the good group for this now that i think about it would be uh zoltanus's group the patriotic

01:22:18.440 socialists why not like i don't i don't hate them by the way i think that's a weird enough idea

01:22:23.940 to it's that'll do that's like a box of fireworks in the corner and i just want to see what happens

01:22:29.680 that's it that's cool you could swap them in with antifa and they're they're like left like they're

01:22:35.800 unironic communist like it's got matthew heimbach and there was just just a communist they're also

01:22:41.140 unironic nazis at the same time so i mean it's it's cool let's say it's it's peanut butter and

01:22:47.620 chocolate you wouldn't think it makes sense peanut butter and chocolate you know what they should

01:22:52.260 call it the peanut butter and chocolate party people are like what do you mean by chocolate

01:22:58.000 what do you mean by chocolate we actually we want chocolate in here yeah uh but yeah like that that

01:23:03.680 make a play like yeah because antifa i think the the tolerance for antifa is at an all-time low

01:23:09.120 because everyone's seeing that they're just gross they're they're sickly they're dumb they've i i

01:23:16.720 wonder how high in people's minds sits the memory of the chas and the chop and those during the blm

01:23:26.400 protests when these people they got to take over parts of the city and it just turned into an

01:23:31.280 absolute train wreck i wonder if people remember that i don't think they do but i i think they

01:23:38.000 don't want to admit that antifa like got exactly what they wanted and people didn't like what they

01:23:43.040 saw i think i'd love to follow up on this i'd like to i'd like to know a bit more about antifa

01:23:48.960 they they kept getting beaten up by proud boys that's the thing like it was not cool and if

01:23:57.040 If Antifa was cool, it'd be different.

01:23:59.220 But if you keep getting beaten up by people,

01:24:01.740 then you're not attracting the tough guys.

01:24:04.900 If you're not attracting the tough guys,

01:24:06.320 you actually don't have any political group.

01:24:08.420 You actually just have a bunch of chicks and nerdy guys.

01:24:13.520 And it turns out that you don't really get that.

01:24:16.880 Even if they try and talk a big game like,

01:24:19.060 oh, we got guns now.

01:24:20.860 Yeah, you're still a bunch of fags with guns.

01:24:22.680 You don't even like using them.

01:24:24.400 So stop pretending.

01:24:25.140 I think after 10 years of this and seeing how they're bussed into different events, I think it's – and there's all kinds of other evidence.

01:24:32.620 It's fair to assume that they are just a paramilitary organization funded by some branch of government or maybe – not a branch of government but some power broker somewhere.

01:24:42.900 But to me, it's kind of silly to think that the standard narrative that they're just like a headless communist anarchist organization is true.

01:24:54.100 like that's that's ridiculous they're so they're so fucking organized they they they rally from

01:24:59.460 across the nation to one city like flies in 48 hours who's paying for all of this and who's

01:25:05.540 who's and right and even i forget was it was at portland they had riots in portland a few years

01:25:09.880 ago and they had city land that was cordoned off and they had all of the tents where all of the

01:25:14.900 out-of-town antifa were living in tents like a fucking it's a camp it was like a paramilitary

01:25:18.900 camp so i mean it it's there's something else going on there yeah peep i think the general

01:25:24.540 public knows something strange is going on because they'll see that like where did all these out of

01:25:29.440 because that's the one thing they would always make fun of like kyle rittenhouse for like

01:25:32.660 well he crossed state lines to do protests all you people do is cross all doing that

01:25:37.180 yeah same thing with like george soros has such low stock value right now i think culturally

01:25:44.460 because at first it was only like far-right guys who talked about George Soros.

01:25:48.520 Now it's Elon Musk.

01:25:49.860 I think even mainstream people are like, no one likes this guy.

01:25:55.020 How do you make a choice in terms of when you're going to engage?

01:26:00.080 I mean, for example, even today, Elon, you tweeted this thing about George Soros.

01:26:06.220 Well, I'm looking for it because I want to make sure I quote it properly.

01:26:09.020 But, I mean, you know what you wrote.

01:26:10.320 But you basically—

01:26:11.160 That's what it reminds me of my videos.

01:26:12.540 It's like, you know, calm down, people.

01:26:13.720 this is not like made a federal case out of it you also you said he wants to erode the very fabric

01:26:19.280 of civilization and soros hates humanity like when you do something like that do you think that's

01:26:24.500 true that's my opinion okay but what does that mean is the question like okay no one likes george

01:26:28.880 shorts does that mean anything and is he the guy is he the is he the one puppeteer for every bad

01:26:34.920 problem no anyway i better move on to the next thing we're gonna be talking about these these

01:26:41.720 blood guys i wonder we're gonna start our own gang one day we're gonna start our own cartel

01:26:49.400 yeah we're running a sick cartel where we're we have control of the supply of

01:26:53.240 uh sick bits people don't like that i just want to call us the bloods

01:26:59.420 it's it's quick it's catchy it says what it means and it means what it says it's i mean

01:27:08.900 technically it's an abbreviation of the title we already own so you're not allowed to tell us no

01:27:13.080 yeah is blood copywritten anyone could you can own red i want to talk about a book today

01:27:22.980 and this is a good one because i couldn't get the author on for this week but we're gonna

01:27:29.660 in a perfect world we're gonna mon next week uh to discuss largely what we talk about on this book

01:27:36.660 and hopefully we can get a bit more clarity and a bit more depth uh that individual is jf carepi

01:27:42.440 yeah he's a well-known individual you don't know don't need no fucking introduction from me

01:27:48.420 fellow leaf fellow leaf technically unironic quebecker yeah um evolution i believe he would

01:27:56.880 call himself an evolutionary biologist i'll ask him tomorrow i'll ask him what the fuck he is and

01:28:01.120 who he thinks he is but he wrote a book um and this has been floating around for some time and

01:28:06.360 i always wanted to read it and i had good reviews everyone recommended it i never got a chance until

01:28:10.940 now um and this is a topic that i don't have a lot of experience and whenever we had discussed more

01:28:18.200 hard science stuff on the show before it was in physics it was in you know cosmology or it might

01:28:26.120 be in psychiatry we do a lot of science stuff but we never really gone into biology not not the hard

01:28:31.160 stuff you know we kind of play around on the edges with vague genetics and kind of dna stuff but

01:28:37.980 nothing really concrete and that's what this book is about the book is titled the revolutionary

01:28:42.720 phenotype now the subtitle is the amazing story of how life begins and how it ends it's not a

01:28:49.700 terribly long book um first of all i'd recommend people get it um you can get through it pretty

01:28:54.120 fast um it's it's punchy it's quick it's got an idea it gets into it fast um if there this is one

01:29:01.860 book where i think if i had one complaint it could use a bit more meat on it because uh the topic

01:29:08.940 he's dealing with and the the science he's dabbling in can be kind of indecipherable at first blush

01:29:15.460 like there was times where i had to kind of reread things a few times it would have been nice to have

01:29:19.740 a few maybe some more metaphors because this is a book that i think is targeted more a general

01:29:26.540 readership you can figure out what it's about but it was a bit more technical than i was prepared

01:29:32.320 for maybe that's just because i'm not used to biology anyway so the revolutionary phenotype

01:29:38.820 we'll just read a part on the back to get it set up it says the revolutionary phenotype is a science

01:29:43.400 book that brings us four billion years into the past when the first living molecules showed up

01:29:49.200 on planet earth so i'm gonna go through the book i'm gonna try and do it justice and hopefully i

01:29:56.060 can do it justice if not i'm gonna talk to him uh next episode and we can get some clarity but i

01:30:00.700 really like this and it was dealing with how essentially how dna started forming this is how

01:30:07.220 far back we're going pre-human you know pre-hominid this is about how this thing called dna came into

01:30:14.680 being and what that meant that is sort of what he means by the phenotypic revolution so it starts

01:30:21.560 off by the claim that dna was created by a more ancient life form called rna dna controls heredity

01:30:32.440 by containing the code or set of instructions for building the functional and structural proteins

01:30:38.920 that make up your body.

01:30:44.460 And RNA uses these varied instructions

01:30:47.460 to build all the proteins a living organism needs.

01:30:52.940 So we had one form of life that was,

01:30:56.200 it kind of became a more complicated form of life

01:30:58.640 that made the previous one redundant.

01:31:00.200 That's what NRA is.

01:31:02.880 It out-competed and out-recycled RNA

01:31:05.840 after it was innovated by RNA.

01:31:08.440 similar to how our runaway innovations can consume us.

01:31:13.580 Now, RNA still exists now,

01:31:15.580 but it only exists in the form of viruses.

01:31:18.620 It's almost like a lower level life form,

01:31:20.720 a less complicated life form that DNA is.

01:31:23.620 So the idea is, the core of this book is interesting.

01:31:28.820 It's a story about how life forms

01:31:33.280 can innovate these sort of mechanisms

01:31:37.400 that help itself propagate more and more.

01:31:40.980 But there's almost a tipping point

01:31:43.240 where the things we create become so good at replication,

01:31:48.820 it can kind of become a runaway force in itself

01:31:52.040 and make us redundant.

01:31:53.160 Because the idea is that, you know,

01:31:55.800 in evolution or biology,

01:31:57.040 the thing that replicates them most effectively,

01:31:59.060 this is, you know, he mentions Darwinism a lot.

01:32:01.580 Charles Darwin sits very highly in this.

01:32:04.300 He talks about evolution,

01:32:05.560 that you know what is evolution it's just about the the replicators of best fit so but he's very

01:32:13.020 very careful not to say something like artificial intelligence is going to outcompete us he goes a

01:32:20.440 few a few times in the book where he's like almost like i know where your mind's going you're thinking

01:32:24.520 that we're going to make machines that uh out replace us he's like this isn't a book about how

01:32:30.000 we're going to make terminators and they're like ah shucks you know but but there's this idea that

01:32:36.220 that we can innovate these replication tools that can kind of we lose control over them and then

01:32:43.740 they kind of make us redundant that's sort of the the core of it what is the difference between

01:32:49.940 two replicators being presented in an organism four billion years ago and two replicators being

01:32:57.720 present today because clearly the two situations have resolved in two different ways four billion

01:33:07.240 years ago dna won over rna in other words the newer replicator outcompeted the older one

01:33:17.000 we know that dna won because everything alive today except rna viruses they're all dna based

01:33:23.880 but today you look at human culture and memes have not won against DNA in fact those cases of

01:33:33.280 religions that lead to mass suicide are extremely rare cases you can basically see them as just

01:33:40.860 errors of evolution you you don't have to have an evolutionary theory when something affects 50

01:33:47.700 people over six billion people your evolutionary theory must address what what's the main convergence

01:33:55.300 of the species so clearly the means have not good as done i've not done as good as dna

01:34:04.500 that was my initial observation and i wanted to explain why and i found why

01:34:10.740 and it leads to understanding why DNA ends up being layered in a genetic code

01:34:18.800 with RNA below and proteins below.

01:34:22.300 He says,

01:34:23.360 It is a fact that DNA-based life was created by another life form.

01:34:27.960 The ancient life form was called RNA.

01:34:30.160 Sometime after the creation of DNA, the RNA organisms lost control over it

01:34:34.840 and could do nothing to stop its takeover.

01:34:37.300 that's what happened here on earth and it can and likely will happen again the events covered in this

01:34:43.460 book are so singular that biologists have up to now refused to even give them a name i call them

01:34:49.300 phenotypic revolutions these events occur every time one organism with its own genetic code and

01:34:55.940 means of reproduction creates another organism with a separate genetic code and means of reproduction

01:35:01.520 by exploring these events this book answers the most fundamental questions regarding the origins

01:35:05.780 in life so he uses rna and dna as the the primary examples in this um so it gets really trippy here

01:35:16.020 because we've mentioned this before on the show but when we talk about and we talk about the

01:35:21.340 information theory that you know what is life what is dna we think about life you think of

01:35:26.920 the human organism but life is also just genes at the lowest level all we there's the theory

01:35:33.820 in information theory that all the human body and mind and the human organism are is just a transfer

01:35:41.460 device for genes at the very core of us is this the human gene and it has constructed this shell

01:35:48.140 around itself to help propagate itself into the future and reproduce itself in the future and

01:35:53.100 this is just the most effective form it has taken in that sense all these things like emotions and

01:36:00.120 brain waves and ideas and goals they're just the the ways our genes can make itself go forward in

01:36:08.200 the future but that is not to say that its current form is the most perfect you know it's always

01:36:13.920 experimented with new things um and it says that even the phenotypes that humans produce like

01:36:20.100 emotions cultures societies computers all the things that we do um haven't yet rebelled against

01:36:27.900 us but they one day might he's got a line here he says the phenotypes produced by humans our

01:36:34.500 emotions computers have thankfully never rebelled against their dna replicators but they yet may

01:36:40.500 susan blackmore has proposed that we are already in the midst of such a process through the prism

01:36:46.160 of her work we can think of culture and technology as revolutionary phenotypes however i argue that

01:36:53.340 Human culture and technology lack key properties of revolutionary phenotypes.

01:36:57.340 Until these properties are acquired, these phenotypes can only evolve to serve DNA.

01:37:02.300 This matter will be produced later in the book.

01:37:04.720 So think about these phenotypes as just helping aid replicators.

01:37:10.100 It is possible, hypothetically in the future, that we create some kind of novel technology or culture that can replicate DNA more than human bodies can.

01:37:22.200 It's a trippy idea.

01:37:23.340 and the ideas that we're dealing with in this book are very very you know they're going to

01:37:28.760 sound kind of crazy to people who've never thought about this stuff before but if you listen to our

01:37:33.060 clip on information theory and you start thinking about about living organisms not just as mammals

01:37:41.180 it'll start to make sense like for example uh we always bring this up but uh richard dawkins a lot

01:37:46.860 people don't like richard dawkins but uh his foundational work was in the idea of the meme

01:37:53.160 was a meme you know we're we're all used to internet memes and image macros but a meme

01:37:59.380 is it's an idea that lives and dies and propagates and thrives as if it were an organism

01:38:05.320 and if you you can define organism to where you know a trend or an idea is essentially the same

01:38:12.920 thing as like dna it is this thing that lives and dies and spreads like a virus and it can exist

01:38:19.420 you know it exists at the same level almost as dna so once you start understanding like organisms

01:38:26.040 within under the umbrella of information theory that all we're really talking about

01:38:30.940 even the lowest quantum level is just various ways of information transfer with like physical

01:38:38.340 matter built up around it then these things start to make a lot more sense that you know it's all

01:38:43.620 kind of life he makes a point in the book where he says you know we're all kind of the same stuff

01:38:49.420 you know like human beings and animals and plants you know some people don't like to hear that

01:38:53.360 there's a lot of like religious people who are probably listening to this who disagree that's

01:38:57.900 fine but hey you could still enjoy the talk right um he says all organisms are broken down into two

01:39:06.620 parts replicators and phenotypes dna is replicator a phenotype is everything that is a consequence

01:39:15.740 of the replicator so you have dna and then the replicators would be cells and proteins

01:39:22.780 and emotions everything that's the human body itself so a phenotype is everything that

01:39:29.740 works in service of the replicator to help it replicate four billion years ago

01:39:36.700 for the first DNA strand to emerge so a revolutionary phenotype is a piece of

01:39:43.600 your body that decides that it won't be a tool of the genes anymore it decides

01:39:49.660 to become a gene itself and in fact it succeeds at doing so it takes over over

01:39:56.980 generations it takes over the organism kicks out the old genes and decides to replace it with its

01:40:04.520 own and reuse in fact the old genes to to just go on with its own existence as if if you will

01:40:12.860 an example of a phenotypic revolution that could happen but never happened is if a cancer cell in

01:40:19.340 your body starts developing a tumor but suppose the cancer tumor was to become so intelligent that

01:40:25.580 it would actually trick you, manipulate you into finding ways to make babies of itself.

01:40:32.800 And you would be seeding tumor maybe in other human beings or maybe in your own children.

01:40:38.280 And somehow, eventually, after perhaps tens of thousands of years, would eventually stop

01:40:44.780 your line of descent and the tumor, the cancerous tumor would find a way to live on its own.

01:40:49.960 yeah it says a phenotype is everything that happens in and as a consequence of a single

01:40:56.180 life from the moment an individual sperm fertilizes an egg the cells that compromise

01:41:00.800 an organism the proteins inside those cells any potential behaviors and emotions even the molecules

01:41:06.560 of air that are inhaled and exhaled everything except the replicators which may be transmitted

01:41:11.860 to the offspring it all goes into this thing called a phenotype and then again what we're

01:41:16.620 talking about is when these phenotypes can kind of take on a mind of their own that's what he's

01:41:22.840 talking about we'll get into how that happened with dna rna but this would be like hypothetically

01:41:27.580 if one of these phenotypes the one of these things that we do that aids the replication

01:41:34.020 almost becomes a replicator in and of itself and then it kind of goes off and we can no longer

01:41:40.920 control it that's basically what we're talking about here and that's how he more or less defines

01:41:45.580 a life form like a life form is just a type of replicator it's phenotypic machines and all its

01:41:51.740 genetic descendants or its offspring that use the same kind of replicator so in a sense like dna

01:41:57.900 like all human beings would be like the descendants of the dna this is where you know if you want to

01:42:03.940 get into like race and things like that the framing of this is like it's all part of the

01:42:09.820 same dna we are just all iterations of this like central thing called dna trying to figure out the

01:42:17.160 best way to survive and we just we just tend to have a lot of variety in that that's kind of how

01:42:22.640 he's framing this and he says right here we as human beings are part of the same life form as

01:42:27.860 trees lions and insects by virtue of our shared utilization of dna and due to the fact that we

01:42:33.080 share a common ancestor and that's kind of what he's saying here that the dna most of what we

01:42:38.900 have around us is dna and to go back to when rna uh existed we're talking about like the primordial

01:42:45.660 soup we're talking pre-anything and the only reason we have anything is that there was this

01:42:51.340 phenotypic revolution that happened billions and billions of years in the past um he's got this

01:42:57.640 part here the principle of phenotypic servitude he says across generations the phenotype tends

01:43:04.640 to become better and better at favoring the copying of its replicators simultaneously the

01:43:10.700 population progressively rids itself of the poorly performed machines that impede replication this is

01:43:16.360 basically you know survival of the fittest as some people know it you know evolution like we're

01:43:20.460 always mutating we're always trying out new stuff as we you know go on we tend to get better at

01:43:26.420 replicating the dna because all of the inferior replicators the inferior phenotypes kind of die

01:43:32.500 out and this is the form of you know this is where we get into trouble in the modern day where

01:43:37.020 you know mental illnesses eventually should have been bred out we're kind of we're maintaining in

01:43:42.580 our populations bad phenotypes that might be impeding the replication of the human species

01:43:48.660 to such a point where the human species might very well collapse because we keep trying to cling on

01:43:53.680 to these really really bad replication processes and that's where you have more insane people more

01:43:58.940 degenerates more suicide more of that um he says the phenotypic revolution is when the machines

01:44:05.980 utilized by replicators become an independent replicator itself the first replicator was the

01:44:11.740 gene the second replicator is cultural the third can be seen as technological

01:44:16.780 um and to really understand this you know the core of this is the transition from rna to dna

01:44:24.060 so i think i'll just explain that really quick because some people might not know what that

01:44:27.500 means it says the rna world hypothesis is now supported by a series of observations concerning

01:44:33.180 the relationship between dna rna and proteins in modern organisms he says support for the

01:44:40.940 rna world hypothesis lies deep within a cellular machine called the ribosome the factory used by

01:44:47.740 biological cells in order to manufacture proteins scientists first expected the heart of this

01:44:53.260 protein workshop to be one or more proteins but upon closer examination they determined

01:44:59.100 the inner workings of the ribosome rely on two functional rna molecules many think these critical

01:45:04.540 strands of rna are a relic of an ancient past in which rna molecules existed independent of dna

01:45:11.740 given that rna has been spotted doing physical work in the ribosome we can conceive of an

01:45:17.180 organism in which rna operated on its own and fabricated its own proteins without dna

01:45:25.580 lastly dna and rna are rather similar molecules as they both use comparable alphabets the four

01:45:31.100 letter alphabet to encode proteins the chances are simply too small that these two molecules

01:45:36.460 would have emerged independently while developing the exact same genetic language one has to have

01:45:42.860 generated the other um so and then he says let us first extrapolate what the theory implies if

01:45:50.460 rna created dna then the three following events must have occurred first the rna first existed

01:45:57.580 alone as a replicator just on its own replicating itself then rna replicators started producing

01:46:04.140 molecules of dna to help its own replication then dna took over and became the main replicator on

01:46:10.980 earth the d the takeover by dna was a monumental occurrence without rival on earth the next four

01:46:17.100 billion years it was the nth phenotypic revolution of our ancestors um we do not know for sure how

01:46:24.620 many phenotypic revolutions there were preceding that one but we will show that there are at least

01:46:29.140 three would have occurred in our lineage um yeah so so basically it's hard to conceptualize this

01:46:38.920 stuff it's hard to even visualize it but you know you have to think of like anything that

01:46:44.060 to make this applicable to first of all let me just ask this does any of this make any sense

01:46:50.640 are you following this at all am i explaining this well enough yeah kind of mostly i knew a

01:46:56.120 little bit of it already but i'm just i'm just i'm following all right good um and here's a bit

01:47:02.480 more detail on what i was just describing so billions of years ago rna molecules populated

01:47:08.840 the earth or some tiny corner of it by copying themselves thus rna was the replicator and

01:47:15.780 natural selection applied to rna and that as time elapsed rna continued to churn up progressively

01:47:22.680 better phenotypic machines that favored its continued replication just basic mutations

01:47:28.800 basic evolution just try out mutations what works persists what doesn't gets gets weeded out

01:47:34.820 one day by pure chance remember by pure chance it's just a random mutation a single rna molecule

01:47:41.940 developed a small mutation this mutation caused the rna molecule to produce a new type of phenotypic

01:47:47.700 machine one that resembled rna but with an additional smattering of oxygen and hydrogen

01:47:52.860 atoms this machine was dna presumably at some point the presence of dna somehow advantaged the

01:47:59.280 rna replicators that had created it so perhaps dna was like a sterile worker ant accomplishing

01:48:05.600 useful tasks advantageous to the rna queen just a drone just like you know we would use tools right

01:48:11.540 perhaps dna was simply used mechanically as a kind of molecular pillow for the then dominating

01:48:18.720 rna strands or may have served as a shield thrown out as bait to divert attention of viruses that

01:48:24.800 would have otherwise targeted the rna any of these could be that we don't really know but these are

01:48:29.920 hypotheticals no matter how exactly dna helped its rna queen it helped so much that natural selection

01:48:37.040 favored the rna queens that were capable of producing it meanwhile dna being the good

01:48:42.640 phenotypic machine that it was served the rna replicators at some point and this is the tipping

01:48:49.200 point this is where it changes the rna queens started using dna strands to store their genes

01:48:55.520 we don't really know why but for some reason the dna was a better medium than the rna and this is

01:49:01.840 kind of the transition point where a tool becomes the dominant organism right so on one end you have

01:49:10.000 a replicator all it wants to do is replicate and it has its tools the phenotypes that help

01:49:15.440 it replicate but there is a transition point where he has a word for these um it's called a

01:49:22.160 queen q u e n e um i don't know if he invented this or he innovated it or if this is known in

01:49:28.720 biology circles but um he comes at this thing called a queen which is almost like a measure

01:49:34.880 of how much a system is able to replicate itself because he says uh it's almost like a unit of

01:49:41.640 inheritance because he says like you know a dna strand can be sliced up and and butchered a bunch

01:49:47.760 of different ways and rearranged without its affected affecting its ability to reproduce

01:49:52.740 you can fuck with a gene a lot and then they could still reproduce a perfect copy of it what

01:49:58.040 despite how much it was fucked up it could replicate a perfect copy over the next generation

01:50:03.040 so he's like okay there must be like a quanta there must be like a minimum measure of replication

01:50:09.300 a baseline of like at the as long as you have this this this measure this thing can replicate

01:50:16.040 itself no matter how much you mess with it so he's like okay if there's a unit of measure of

01:50:21.060 replication itself that unit of measure it can also it can be passed on in some way

01:50:27.780 to a phenotype or to a tool so in a sense what he's saying is like the tools you use

01:50:34.720 for replication you can use them so much and develop them so well that you kind of impart to

01:50:43.000 them the ability to like your own replication-ness like the essence of the ability to replicate

01:50:50.600 now it's hard for me to explain this without using like crazy machines like i want to use

01:50:55.660 humans creating artificial intelligence i know that's not a good way to do it but i think that's

01:51:01.280 the only way for me to wrap my head around it it would be like it would be like if we create because

01:51:06.960 right now we have machines that are subordinate to us like artificial intelligence is 100 subordinate

01:51:12.680 to humans so are every machine and people are scared that what if it becomes self-aware

01:51:17.660 that that almost doesn't make sense right because we control so much of what ai is and machine

01:51:24.560 learning is but like you have to conceptualize like a point in the future where we rely we rely

01:51:32.300 on artificial intelligence and transhumanism and machines so much just to help us propagate

01:51:37.360 ourselves that we almost we give it a bit too much power we give it too much power to replicate

01:51:43.840 itself you know what i mean and so then because it's and because artificial intelligence and

01:51:50.240 machines might be a better carrier system that it makes the human body the human protein

01:51:57.760 amalgamation irrelevant you know but like that would be freaking thousands of years in the future

01:52:04.260 like a lot would have to change to get to that point but you have to start thinking of like

01:52:09.320 like start thinking of what if scenarios start thinking of like how what is the process with

01:52:15.120 which we would surrender so much of our replication to the point where we would offload decision

01:52:21.660 making onto machines and that and that's the point where it sees us as redundant and it sees us as

01:52:27.940 redundant not because it's jealous of us or it hates us or it sees us as a threat by that point

01:52:35.680 we would actually just be redundant you know what i mean yeah and again he would probably like it's

01:52:42.240 like a ship of theseus thing like it it kind of it is us like we don't have we can't complain

01:52:47.200 a little bit i don't know yeah yeah and and you have to use like rna as a thing because that

01:52:52.800 scientists think that there was prior to rna there's probably precursor phenotypic revolutions

01:52:59.300 that led to rna um and there's a there's this idea i won't go into it right now but it's called

01:53:05.740 the quantum darwinism because it once you get down to this level once you're talking about

01:53:10.860 dna and proteins and stuff you're thinking like okay like how how low can you go into the quantum

01:53:17.060 level because are we talking about survival of the fittest of quarks of of these patterns of

01:53:22.160 up down spin core you know i mean like in a way yes in a way you you can chase evolution and

01:53:28.960 survival of the fittest away from like down to the quantum level and the interactions of quarks

01:53:34.800 and and fundamental particles if you want to that that gets too theoretical for most people

01:53:40.340 even dna the only reason we dna kind of makes sense is because we can conceptualize it almost

01:53:45.960 like an organism but once you get into like quantum mechanics it's it's a fog of insanity

01:53:52.520 he gives one um example of a phenotypic machine just uh kind of illustrated a bit more um you

01:54:01.260 know and i never really paid attention in high school biology class i think this high school

01:54:05.880 biology was i think that was the class i failed extremely powerfully i think that was a class

01:54:14.080 where i took it and i just had the wrong idea of what it was and i think i thought i was smarter

01:54:18.440 than i was and that was one where it was it was so far beyond my capabilities at that time

01:54:24.520 that i almost i failed it on purpose i failed it to a level that you shouldn't because we don't

01:54:29.540 like a public school where they're not even allowed to fail people there like to fail a

01:54:35.280 class you almost need to do a school shooting but yeah i failed this one hard without doing that so

01:54:40.460 that means something but so when he talks about like hemoglobins that's a bit above my pay grade

01:54:45.640 but one example would be uh you know thanks to the he the hemoglobin is capable of delivering

01:54:52.080 oxygen to your lungs where it grabs the atoms of oxygen to all the other parts of your body where

01:54:57.160 it drops those atoms and because hemoglobin packs more oxygen into a smaller amount of liquid

01:55:01.940 This oxygen delivery system is far more efficient than one that passively diffuses oxygen without hemoglobin.

01:55:11.180 Hemoglobin is just one of the countless phenotypic machines produced by our DNA.

01:55:15.720 If we were to trace the lineage of a single hemoglobin gene in your genome, we could trace it back through your parents, their parents, your ancestors, all the way back to some ambitious prehistoric fish.

01:55:26.980 your ancestors had sequences of dna that eventually led to the production

01:55:31.260 of hemoglobin and you're indebted those to those dna queens those who inherited dysfunctional or

01:55:38.360 different versions of those dna sequences have probably died without reaching the age of

01:55:42.400 reproduction so that's just when we talk about like phenotypic machines you're talking about

01:55:46.880 like the actual cells and and the things that serve a purpose in this human machine

01:55:51.100 um and uh he he draws a distinction between uh this and what's what's called a cream q r e a m

01:56:01.020 a cream is something in the universe that is not a replicator so you got things that replicate

01:56:06.560 then there's a whole universe of shit that doesn't replicate properly uh meaning it's forgetful um i

01:56:12.480 like that term of calling something forgetful you know it exists but it doesn't know how to

01:56:17.240 replicate and anything that it kind of it can't learn it can't pass anything on um and so he says

01:56:24.520 a hemoglobin is forgetful um if you alter every hemoglobin in your body your children will not

01:56:31.060 inherit it that's an interesting way of thinking about it like it doesn't have a memory so you

01:56:35.500 could fuck with a lot of there's a lot of stuff you could fuck within your body that's what kind

01:56:39.560 of you know transgenderism put it that way you know again like you change your entire sexual

01:56:45.400 identity but you know whatever you alter is not going to get passed on your children probably

01:56:51.080 um and the only way you do that is if you alter the dna code itself

01:56:55.320 um he makes an interesting voice says that includes ideas that never get communicated i

01:57:01.240 always love it when they go down that road when they remind you that oh we're also talking about

01:57:04.920 communication too we're talking about information itself you know an idea that never gets communicated

01:57:11.000 It's like an evolutionary dead end for that idea organism.

01:57:16.460 That's a cool way to think about it.

01:57:20.320 It says, and why does that matter?

01:57:22.620 Well, he says, for a phenotypic machine to conduct revolution and take over,

01:57:27.480 it's got to solve the problem of that forgetfulness.

01:57:30.520 It's got to solve that problem of, you know, if I change,

01:57:34.560 it doesn't have an impact on the larger thing.

01:57:37.140 and it says that's when rna possibly found a way to store its genes in dna which allowed

01:57:45.340 the trusted dna to do the same thing on its own our dna has a different replication process

01:57:51.320 than for example in bacterial dna um and the second thing it needs to do is also is produce

01:57:58.480 its own mutations so he says like hypothetically um if one of your phenotypic machines if it's

01:58:05.960 trying to take over um it generally only has functions in the context of the parent replicator

01:58:11.920 so even if it's very very powerful it gets what he calls the naked warrior problem so even if it

01:58:19.200 can copy itself it doesn't mean it can survive just by being able to copy itself it has to be

01:58:23.960 able to copy itself and also produce its own mutations has to be able to like replicate its

01:58:29.820 own you know innovations and that's how it eventually starts taking over and going on its

01:58:34.040 runaway path it can't just be like like nanomachines kind of replicating themselves

01:58:39.820 it's still doing it like a dumb way and would eventually just kill itself you know you could

01:58:45.080 have runaway you know replication that just destroys the system but it can't like mutate as

01:58:51.540 its own life form and again i probably shouldn't be framing this and just machine things but that's

01:58:56.720 like a virus like a virus is great at replicating a virus is great at spreading but it's not it's

01:59:03.740 not better than dna in fact that virus is like one of the places where rna still exists like it

01:59:08.960 can't ever evolve it can just kind of spread and then die so that's that's why you know just the

01:59:15.280 ability to spread it doesn't make it its own you know phenotypic revolution and i'm gonna skip a

01:59:22.640 bit here and i'm because i know we got we're running out of time i just want to kind of bring

01:59:26.680 it around to in the you know in the book he talks about what it's not like he's not really talking

01:59:33.020 about a terminator scenario but he does have a scenario where dna can be lapped by some other

01:59:39.840 superior replication process and he goes into it near the end of the book in his prediction section

01:59:46.520 and this is a good part i'm just going to read it line for line because he tells it like a story

01:59:53.900 he's hypothesizing a situation where this phenotypic revolution come to pass so he says

02:00:01.880 It all began long ago in a nondescript suburban strip mall nestled in the American Heartland, Ohio specifically,

02:00:08.800 where a revolutionary medical science clinic opened up shop.

02:00:13.040 The clinic called itself Q-Choice Fertility Services, although the local media dubbed it simply Q-Choice.

02:00:19.640 The clinic offered a type of in vitro fertilization service to women and men afflicted by various medical conditions that rendered them unable to conceive.

02:00:28.240 In this clinic, parents with reproductive disorders had their eggs and sperm extracted from their bodies and delicately combined in a Petri dish.

02:00:37.500 And voila, fertilization.

02:00:39.940 Physicians would then promptly implant the resulting zygote into a uterus of the mum-to-be in the hopes of establishing a healthy embryo.

02:00:48.240 Many other clinics had offered such a service before, but Q-Choice did things a little differently.

02:00:52.680 at QChoice, the parents could choose to edit the DNA of their future children, preserving

02:00:59.460 some characteristics while avoiding potential medical risks.

02:01:03.780 This thrilling innovation filled the science world with a sense of possibility and motivated

02:01:08.260 hordes of scientists started developing computer models that linked genes to phenotypes.

02:01:13.980 Old theoretical models were unearthed from dusty journals, while new simulations were

02:01:18.800 cranked out by roomfuls of servers.

02:01:21.080 computers were crunching data to predict the myriad of interactions between genes and

02:01:26.500 environments needless to say parents were eager to use these computers to improve the lives of

02:01:31.600 their children who wouldn't be soon insurance companies urged consumers towards such manipulations

02:01:38.080 not to improve health outcomes for their fellow men but to ensure healthy bottom lines for their

02:01:43.900 stockholders genetically edited customers needed less health care so insurers offered them a 60

02:01:49.800 percent lifetime discount on insurance premiums. Something quite shocking happened in the first

02:01:54.880 decades of operation at the Q-Choice clinics. What had started as a boutique reproductive

02:02:00.660 assistance technique produced something far more profound. The children from this clinic were

02:02:05.740 remarkable, superior to their peers in almost every measurable regard. They had better grades

02:02:10.400 and fewer illnesses. They were better athletes and more attractive. But there was one domain in

02:02:15.560 which they were hardly surpassed by the unedited majority natural fertility as most of the q choice

02:02:22.580 kids descended from parents with reproductive difficulties many had procreation problems

02:02:28.020 themselves accordingly their sexual organs suffered from various physical dysfunctions

02:02:33.860 none of this mattered by this q by this time q choice clinics had spread throughout the developed

02:02:39.460 world, and their services were available at a reasonable price. These individuals produced at

02:02:45.280 Q-Choice didn't need to concern themselves with natural reproduction at all. Perhaps because they

02:02:50.100 were so darn successful at life, they also tended to have more kids. Only the most ambitiously

02:02:55.860 deceptive couples were first accepted by Q-Choice, but soon the floodgates opened. Rival clinics,

02:03:01.140 which had sprung up like weeds, began extending such services to any and all, even the naturally

02:03:06.860 fertile. After all, it was immoral to offer advantageous health technologies to one part

02:03:13.200 of the population and not the other, and the economics of this reproductive decision were

02:03:18.280 too striking for lawmakers to fight against. By this point, humans produced by erstwhile

02:03:27.040 natural sexual reproduction came to be referred to as naturals, whereas the clinic-derived

02:03:35.120 folks were referred to as chosen because after all so many of their genes had to be chosen from

02:03:40.480 their parents soon natural became an insult a vulgar slur shunned by polite society

02:03:45.920 soon human reproductive tracts began to wither fallopian tubes deteriorated because there's no

02:03:54.780 evolutionary advantage to migration of fertilized zygotes through these structures moreover such

02:04:01.180 impeded oviducts were evolutionary disadvantageous as they permitted parents to conceive natural

02:04:07.320 offspring who would be less fit who wants to reproduce a natural offspring they're clearly

02:04:12.680 unevolved the male sexual organs experienced a similar decline many males were born without

02:04:19.800 testicles which turned out to be useless it turned out to be a useless accessory since the doctors

02:04:25.960 were able to produce one's offspring by extracting their DNA from a saliva sample. Eventually,

02:04:32.660 scientists made an announcement that would have been jarring news if naturals were still alive

02:04:37.200 to hear it. The entirety of the world human population had become functionally sterile.

02:04:43.760 For Homo sapiens, sexual reproduction without a computer had come to an end, and fertility clinics

02:04:49.160 were as integral to the human life cycle as sperm and eggs ever were. But this caused no alarm,

02:04:55.780 all the naturals were gone and who would want to have natural kids anymore what some sort of

02:05:01.220 irresponsible person would willfully condemn their offspring to the short mediocre life of

02:05:06.020 a natural this sounds a lot like brave new world if anyone's ever a great new world

02:05:10.660 um this is how q choice clinics and its competitors became entrenched

02:05:15.540 as global institutions offering geographically tailored genetic manipulations for their clients

02:05:21.140 the computer tasked with the delicate responsibility of selecting the right genes

02:05:27.760 for the next generation of human offspring was referred to as q a a reference to the specialized

02:05:33.120 processor required to handle the daunting task of selecting the types of dna that you need to

02:05:38.880 replicate the key component of the computer was the program a piece of software designed

02:05:43.820 to optimize the offspring quality of human customers by carefully tweaking the queens of

02:05:49.600 the DNA, always with an eye towards making the best offspring possible while maintaining the

02:05:55.020 superficial parts of the genetic heritage. To accomplish this, the program relied on three

02:06:00.240 important components, the cultural drive, the quantum, and the mutation.

02:06:07.680 Over the years, the system reached an equilibrium. The program made progressively

02:06:11.900 fewer alterations because the best quantums had already been identified.

02:06:17.400 The parental genomes had been literally optimized to the fullest extent possible.

02:06:21.320 Therefore, in any given generation, the children produced by a single clinic were far more genetically similar to each other than they were to those coming out of other clinics.

02:06:32.340 John Q, a humble clinic employee who was coincidentally conceived in the clinic, had unwittingly carried throughout his life a very particular mutation in his DNA.

02:06:43.760 The mutation had been determined from a recent change in his clinic's quantum.

02:06:47.960 This particular DNA made him just slightly more partisan about his quantum than his other people.

02:06:55.500 One day, he made a seemingly harmless yet monumental mistake.

02:06:59.180 He conceived of a system that would allow the quantum of his clinic to copy itself to new clinics all over the world.

02:07:07.300 Essentially, John would travel to new towns and start new clinics

02:07:10.520 that exclusively utilized a copy of the quantum of his native clinic.

02:07:15.460 The idea was simple and revolutionary.

02:07:17.160 Until then, you could only count on the fraternity of people within your hometown,

02:07:21.820 but the international export would once again transform the world.

02:07:26.560 Each step leading up to this worldwide hegemony seemed like a natural and controlled advance.

02:07:31.840 However, John Q and his ambitious keen had set in motion an almost irreversible chain of events.

02:07:38.380 The quantum had become a replicator and a rather efficient one.

02:07:42.520 It was able to make almost perfect copies of itself.

02:07:45.520 And once a devoted team of humans had helped establish a clinic in a new city, it was able to recruit more and more couples and by extension their offspring into its global thing.

02:07:55.160 So basically it's like this aspect of this guy is kind of replicating itself now.

02:08:01.840 throughout this replicator tango the tension between humans and their computers could have

02:08:09.440 been resolved in favor of either side for example some humans may have rebelled and shun these

02:08:14.640 multiplying clinics and now the clinic is itself like a replication model but the only but this

02:08:21.480 only happened to humans that would eventually disappear from the earth since they would not

02:08:24.940 benefit from the worldwide queen that is inexorably linked to the natural selection no longer forged

02:08:33.540 superior humans rather quantums evolved to dominate cities populated by other weaker quantums as these

02:08:40.000 quantums replicated and mutated across nations uh some survived while others perished any new

02:08:45.440 mutation that enhanced quantum replication swept the globe so anyway this goes on for a bit longer

02:08:50.560 But you're starting to see how through genetic alteration, genetic mutation, a mutation itself can emerge that starts replicating itself through the propagation of clinics and starts distancing itself from humans entirely.

02:09:07.440 And now this like mutation can mutate for the sake of itself.

02:09:11.720 And humans are no longer even in charge of its replication.

02:09:15.720 and it's the transition to when like a mutate like like the the genetic engineering takes on

02:09:23.480 a form of itself you see what i'm saying i don't know if that if that got too confusing there

02:09:28.640 you can see how humans are edged out slowly where we utilize genetic engineering to make ourselves

02:09:37.620 we stop replicating ourselves and the the devices we use to replicate start to mutate themselves

02:09:44.120 then the the tools kind of take on a form of their own and then humans become subservient

02:09:50.880 to this idea of like a mutation replicating itself through the genetic engineering clinics

02:09:57.500 themselves and again it starts it humans are not involved really in this replication process at all

02:10:04.500 in fact they like the rna begin to serve the replication of this like these genetic engineering

02:10:12.320 in clinics in a sense yeah yeah it's funny like you think about you think about apes or or like

02:10:17.600 other animals and we define ourselves as separate from them for example because we make tools but

02:10:22.640 like we already don't make tools anymore most tools now are made by machines we make machines

02:10:27.820 that make machines that make tools so we're machine makers but the machines are the tool

02:10:31.540 makers and in the same way like we define ourselves all these things that make us human

02:10:35.680 and we're afraid of the ai taking over but at the same time we're voluntarily taking each of these

02:10:41.180 tasks and roles that we define as human tasks and roles giving them to ai giving them to machines

02:10:46.780 and after a while the ai and the machines by our own definition are the ones that are really human

02:10:51.540 because they're the ones that reproduce and they're the ones that think and create art and

02:10:55.120 they're the ones you know and see the thing is with people and they think about again we'll come

02:11:00.360 back to ai but it's like they think a superior entity will need to destroy humans and he's making

02:11:07.620 the case that no you won't be destroyed by them you'll become subordinate to them and by the

02:11:12.080 by the time you become subordinate you won't even recognize that you're subordinate it's like rna

02:11:17.980 like rna is still around rna is still utilized by dna within the the living entity but it's at

02:11:26.200 such a lower resolution that it doesn't even know that there's this whole other world going on

02:11:31.000 around it so in this sense the case he was laying out it's like human beings after such a long

02:11:37.540 period of genetic engineering they've already lost so much humanity the forever war is a lot

02:11:42.840 like this if anyone's read the forever war by the end of that book is kind of like what we're

02:11:47.100 talking about here like we're so far past sexual reproduction we're so far into genetic engineering

02:11:53.640 that we don't really recognize anything natural anymore that by the time we become subordinate to

02:11:58.620 this other tool that becomes replicating itself the the thing that we're doing is just servicing

02:12:05.840 Now we're essentially just here to service genetic engineering clinics that

02:12:11.140 kind of reproduce themselves.

02:12:13.000 And that's a very trippy way to think about it.

02:12:15.800 And I hope I gave it a good outline there,

02:12:17.860 but anyway,

02:12:19.560 it was a wild ride that way.

02:12:20.760 Cause it kind of blends all of these,

02:12:22.800 it blends fiction with a pretty interesting biological theory.

02:12:27.060 So yeah.

02:12:27.860 Anyway,

02:12:28.420 that'll be that.

02:12:29.460 And I'll,

02:12:29.740 I'll let you go now because we kind of went over there,

02:12:31.380 but good talk.

02:12:33.420 I'll talk to you next week.

02:12:34.140 All right.

02:12:34.740 Bye.

02:12:35.840 Exactly. All right. So I'm going to introduce you right now. I am here with a fascinating

02:12:58.580 individual. I've been wanting to get you on for some time. I just got around to it.

02:13:02.380 now i know you as cringe walker but you go by a different name now and i want you to say because

02:13:10.240 i'm just going to butcher it now how would you pronounce this well there are very variations of

02:13:15.740 it because i changed it multiple times but the current iteration is al-lethemplar or l-themplar

02:13:21.460 um it comes from the greek word leth which means foolishness and a so like anti-foolishness which

02:13:28.560 was the greek word for for basically truth um and then templar is just like a an old english way of

02:13:34.260 saying a templar knight so i i have a thing for templars i i respect their history um yeah and if

02:13:40.120 i can give give people a little bit of introduction this if people want to find more from you i'm just

02:13:44.860 going to say right off the jump go to luthknight.substack.com that's luth as in lutheran

02:13:51.800 knight as in the guy with the sword no longer lutheran but i i'll probably change the name

02:13:57.820 with the blog soon but see this is why i gotta stay on this guy because he's going to be a new

02:14:02.860 type of guy soon and i just wanted to give people a brief introduction because i liked what you had

02:14:07.860 on your sub stack to add a little bit of color um just from the sub stack says why why subscribe

02:14:13.840 it says do you hate rank punditry are you a conservative tired of trumpism are you a liberal

02:14:20.040 desperate to untie the shackles of progressive thought does centrism sound too passive i write

02:14:26.040 for you and you got one part here at the end i like um anti-american christianity have you ever

02:14:31.800 considered the reality that america is where europe dumped all its heretics why would you

02:14:36.700 look for truth in the land of heresy are you tired of american evangelical evangelicalism damn i fucked

02:14:42.900 that up but are smart enough not to be a cringe atheist i hope you'll learn some new shades of

02:14:48.680 christianity here and so i was going to ask you you might not be a lutheran are you another shade

02:14:54.060 of christian then no i was i tried lutheranism for like five years and it just kept getting

02:14:59.680 more and more depressing so i i was raised catholic i have like um i'm very mixed i have a

02:15:04.960 on my mother's side a jewish line um and that converted to eastern catholicism so i have a

02:15:11.960 little soft spot for orthodoxy because the eastern catholics used to be orthodox and they became

02:15:16.460 catholics and now they're eastern catholics that kind of are halfway in between but loyal to the

02:15:20.840 Pope. And then my dad's side

02:15:22.800 is Irish and Catholic. That's normal.

02:15:24.600 But my primary upbringing is Catholic.

02:15:27.100 And so I went back to that when I realized

02:15:28.960 that

02:15:30.040 Protestants kind of are in the shitter.

02:15:33.200 It's not getting better.

02:15:35.120 Yeah, I'm going to be speaking

02:15:36.500 to Ryan Turnipseed

02:15:39.260 in the next week or so.

02:15:40.760 And he's going to be discussing his time

02:15:42.920 from the bowels of the Lutheran Church.

02:15:45.080 The prophet of lament.

02:15:47.720 Yeah.

02:15:48.600 He's going in there swinging.

02:15:50.840 If you go digging, you'll see, before I was Cringeworker, one of my many handles was harboring on a lament, and that was when I first started complaining about the Lutheran church before I left it.

02:16:02.300 I went to a Lutheran church somewhere in the 2015s, and I went there for a few months, and then name-wise, I kept calling myself Lutheran, but I was like, increasingly, nope, no, I'm not, I'm not, definitely not, okay, I'm out.

02:16:15.740 um and well if you don't mind me asking what was it that caused you to uh find an interest in the

02:16:22.040 lutheran church to begin with i read a lot of history as you can tell by my sub stack and i

02:16:27.240 just really resonated with luther's um writings uh i'll i'll say i actually resonate with his

02:16:36.100 writings while he was catholic uh more than when he became lutheran which probably was a warning

02:16:41.480 sign i should have noticed um there are there are laments that luther writes about when he first

02:16:48.200 visited rome uh as a monk people people had this like fiction that luther was a like oh a humble

02:16:55.280 village monk no he was high up the chain he was the vicar of saxony and another state so he was

02:17:01.260 like governing huge sections of the holy roman empire's church he was a he was a full-on

02:17:06.780 administrator he was not some lowly nobody um he was probably in line to become a bishop in a few

02:17:12.440 years to be honest um and you know in his life as a vicar of the catholic church he had many

02:17:19.120 lamentations that there's a record of when he um was having a private battle with uh a monastery

02:17:27.260 because the monastery was run by a hippie and the hippie wouldn't allow veterans to join the

02:17:32.960 monastery uh he was very anti he was anti-war anti-murder so he this this this uh abbot father

02:17:39.800 viewed all soldiers as murderers and unwelcome at his abbot and luther had to argue with this man

02:17:45.520 uh debate him about how like you can't deny someone who feels lament and regret for his sins

02:17:53.140 and wants to go to an abbey to essentially you know like the medieval equivalent of of going

02:17:58.800 through the ptsd process and healing right yeah and so luther has these like he had these passionate

02:18:05.120 arguments with local abbots to try and you know resolve these issues and so for for a few years

02:18:10.340 he was like the um arbitrator or arbitrator of of a lot of problems in different abbots but there

02:18:17.620 is a few moments where he uh when he went to rome and i think it was might have been 1507 or 1515

02:18:25.120 i can't remember uh but he went to rome and he had this like spiritual breaking moment where he

02:18:30.420 he witnessed uh a lot of sodomy and pedophilia with the priesthood in rome and it really broke

02:18:36.920 him like it it broke his he he was he never had gone to rome he didn't know how bad the higher

02:18:42.320 ups were he was a higher up in the holy roman empire but he hadn't gone to rome like rome was

02:18:46.840 like a cesspool at this point um and so he he writes about this like like the spiritual death

02:18:54.300 he experienced in rome witnessing the degree of pedophilia uh he writes that um the the pope

02:19:00.720 was going to issue an order that uh the bishops must give up like like a third of their young

02:19:07.440 boys but he realized that if he issued the edict it would reveal that the bishops have young boys

02:19:13.060 and so the pope withdrew the the order because he didn't want the public knowing the amount of

02:19:19.620 pedophilia in the bishops uh a historical account of saying the quiet part out loud it sounds like

02:19:25.320 yes yes and so luther records like like the the um the deep depression he fell into like like

02:19:32.720 of witnessing the the the clown show of rome uh and i i really resonated with like i i really

02:19:40.340 resonated with his writing as a depressed catholic which i most relate to now coming back to the

02:19:46.220 Catholic Church. I do wonder, and I've never actually asked another Catholic, I'm a Catholic

02:19:52.180 myself, and so I rarely get to ask this sort of laterally, but it sounds like, and you know more

02:19:59.520 about him, obviously, than I do, I was not aware that the issues of hierarchical pedophilia reach

02:20:06.180 back that far. And I was just wondering if you had any thoughts on that, and maybe that can lead

02:20:11.280 into some of our other topics but what are your thoughts on the prevalence of that and you know

02:20:16.960 what do you think the cause i had a theory about what the cause is but i'm just wondering if you

02:20:21.200 had any thoughts on that the earliest instance of the problem dates back to the i think the fourth

02:20:27.600 century it is a long-standing problem uh there was a pope that got in trouble for it maybe it was

02:20:33.840 there have been a few popes in history that have been condemned to hit hell by the next pope because

02:20:38.440 of the degree of sin that they were under like uh pope alexander the the borgia pope he was

02:20:43.820 condemned by his successor to hell there's a famous quote by i think it's two popes after him

02:20:48.440 uh the this old man pope who who was originally going to become pope but borgia bought the papacy

02:20:53.780 and so uh he he had this like lifelong bitterness to this guy uh because he lost out on being a

02:20:59.920 young pope uh and so when he finally did become the pope after the borgia had died um he wrote

02:21:05.280 this like like like you know someone gets to the top and they can finally let out their like

02:21:10.380 pent up anger and uh if you don't mind i guess it is related to the um to the uh the pedophilia

02:21:18.820 thing but i'll just uh read out his his uh his short paragraph of like just like i'm the pope

02:21:26.760 and i can say whatever i want well sit on fella because i got some things to bend uh yeah yeah

02:21:32.680 It was two popes after him.

02:21:36.140 It was Julius II.

02:21:37.400 And Julius II, by the way, he was a badass pope.

02:21:39.360 He was one of the first popes after the problems Luther was describing, who actually tried to fix shit.

02:21:49.300 Like, actually fix it.

02:21:51.460 And so he wrote this paragraph.

02:21:53.480 Sorry for distracting.

02:21:54.600 It's somewhere in this.

02:21:55.420 No, no, no.

02:21:55.840 Go ahead.

02:21:57.080 Okay, so the famous quote that Julius II wrote about the Borgia Pope.

02:22:00.440 I will not live in the same rooms as the Borgia did.

02:22:04.620 He desecrated the Holy Church as none before.

02:22:08.380 He usurped the papal power by the devil's aid,

02:22:11.120 and I forbid under pain of excommunication anyone to speak or think of Borgia again.

02:22:16.260 His name and memory must be forgotten.

02:22:18.720 It must be crossed out of every document and memorial.

02:22:22.140 His reign must be obliterated.

02:22:23.800 All paintings made of the Borgia or of them must be covered up with black coat,

02:22:29.040 and all the tombs of the Borgia must be

02:22:31.560 opened up and their bodies sent back to

02:22:33.500 where they belong, Spain

02:22:35.360 it's like

02:22:37.260 just like, whoa buddy

02:22:39.220 whoa buddy, you didn't have to let

02:22:41.380 it all out at once

02:22:42.200 I want to recycle that

02:22:45.400 for my own purposes, back to where they belong

02:22:47.340 Spain

02:22:47.960 it's one of the

02:22:51.020 most brutal takedowns

02:22:53.680 this was a pope who basically said

02:22:55.640 that guy before me, yeah he's

02:22:57.520 in hell he he's an antichrist don't even mention him uh so um so anyway um there's a lot of history

02:23:06.600 of this like once the issue becomes public facing as is the case with many institutions they finally

02:23:12.860 deal with the problem once it becomes a public nuisance and luther was a public nuisance and so

02:23:17.400 the catholic church finally took you know officially luther was excommunicated unofficially

02:23:22.380 they took his like criticisms sorted out the heresy from the truth and and made some reforms

02:23:28.440 um there's a actually you might find this interesting you know the guy who was selling

02:23:33.360 indulgences that caused the 99 95 theses to be nailed uh tetzel tetzel the guy who was selling

02:23:39.040 he was selling indulgences and luther got pissed off and wrote his 95 theses because of him

02:23:44.120 um tetzel like tetzel was also excommunicated they took luther's advice agreed and excommunicated

02:23:52.360 him too so it was like an issue with the catholic church was like okay you're both kind of going

02:23:57.300 nuts uh luther you're a heretic you're out tetzel what the hell are you doing selling like these

02:24:03.440 indulgences that that even the virgin mary could could you could sell you were supposed to say the

02:24:08.860 virgin mary is not with not without any sin uh so tetzel was as communicated fun little story

02:24:14.640 actually tetzel and luther um luther got out he became a heretic was kicked out but but the

02:24:20.900 the lords in the holy roman empire protected him from arrest tetzel was arrested sentenced to the

02:24:26.980 dungeon and basically spent a decade of his over the last years of his life in a dungeon

02:24:30.880 uh the man who caused luther to become a protestant rotted in a dungeon which is kind of ironic

02:24:36.520 uh it's there's a letter that luther wrote to tetzel um offering amends for their disagreement

02:24:44.240 and apparently before tetzel died they they had forgiven each other for the mess they had caused

02:24:50.060 in in the church uh and they basically parted ways as friends uh which is kind of beautiful

02:24:54.820 it's actually a beautiful story of reconciliation just like dr dre and easy e like i i wish i

02:25:02.720 honestly wish there had been a pope that that the popes that time were very uh they were aware that

02:25:08.380 the catholic church had some deep problems and they were kind of like of a warrior caste there

02:25:14.400 on like julian ii was literally like a military general so he was a pope and a general and these

02:25:19.220 aren't men that are very willing to forgive unfortunately but i feel like if at least one

02:25:24.340 pope had been at least like willing to make amends that the schism would have been avoided

02:25:28.700 um ultimately luther was very like the suffering from bipolar disorder based off like if you read

02:25:36.780 his letters he he has a bipolar there's like a curve of behavior for bipolars where they'll go

02:25:40.860 like basically like six weeks of hyper productivity and six weeks of like suicidal depression and that

02:25:46.020 that will just flip back and forth that's why it's called bipolar if you track out luther's

02:25:51.400 letters between when he's ecstatic and and writing and when he's like suicidally depressed there's a

02:25:57.120 bit of a kind of a fixed biochemical signature there that that makes you think yeah this guy's

02:26:01.900 bipolar like he's he's on this like fixed schedule like it's fine bipolar men basically have their

02:26:07.560 own version of like a menstrual cycle with the with the mind or they'll like have like six weeks

02:26:11.420 six weeks of suicidal depression,

02:26:13.860 six weeks of insane creativity.

02:26:16.840 And then they'll just like kind of like bounce

02:26:18.420 between that for their entire lives.

02:26:19.680 It's a bit of like a double-edged sword.

02:26:22.520 Luther's letters kind of seem,

02:26:24.760 like from what I've seen at least,

02:26:25.800 I might be wrong,

02:26:26.520 but from what I've seen,

02:26:27.600 they seem synchronized to that cycle.

02:26:29.980 That's interesting.

02:26:30.760 Is that sort of a popular theory

02:26:32.540 or is that just something you've gleaned from the reading?

02:26:35.480 Yeah, it's just something I get from reading.

02:26:38.500 Well, it's not like it's a crazy theory either.

02:26:40.900 Like, of course, there were people throughout time who were probably like that and probably very, you know, interesting novel minds that can come up with, you know, any thing that makes you think outside the norm, right?

02:26:52.900 yeah and ultimately like

02:26:54.960 if you take

02:26:57.000 Luther's claims about the Catholic Church

02:26:59.060 to their extreme they kind of end up proving

02:27:01.080 the Catholic Church is true because

02:27:02.480 I mean okay if the Pope is the office

02:27:05.060 of the Antichrist why would the devil set up

02:27:06.920 the office in the false

02:27:09.080 church right he would set that up in the true church

02:27:11.080 right so like

02:27:12.960 if the Pope is the office of the Antichrist

02:27:15.200 then that means the Catholic Church is true it just

02:27:17.120 has a bad head I mean like

02:27:19.100 like the Pope

02:27:20.740 the devil wouldn't go to like

02:27:22.440 the the Alexandrian bishop of orthodoxy and be like you're my office of antichrist now no he'd

02:27:28.300 go to the true church and set up the antichrist in the in the proper body but uh and anyways and

02:27:33.800 and as and as I said some popes have admitted that last pope was an antichrist he was sitting

02:27:39.380 in the seat and he was an antichrist uh so I'm perfectly okay with agreeing with with I am

02:27:45.780 perfectly okay with agreeing with the popes who agree with Luther that there are occasionally

02:27:50.260 an antichrist sitting on the papal seal that doesn't mean every pope is an antichrist that

02:27:54.440 doesn't mean every pope is wrong that means occasionally the devil gets the seat and you

02:27:58.320 have to you know expel that or you have to or or like david when when saul the antichrist was on

02:28:06.000 the throne of israel you have to pray for him and wait for him to die uh that submission is really

02:28:11.200 important i i've come to like i've wrestled with a lot and i really do think like true religion is

02:28:17.200 this combination of

02:28:19.240 patience, submission

02:28:21.480 and praying for the opportune

02:28:23.520 moment to restore order to

02:28:25.120 correct teaching

02:28:26.500 you don't go and start your own church, you do

02:28:29.460 as David did, you pray for the

02:28:31.420 enemy to be removed, to be

02:28:33.500 proven and exposed

02:28:35.060 and expelled, and that's what David

02:28:37.520 did, and as far as I'm concerned, coming back to

02:28:39.500 Catholicism is a fulfillment of what David did

02:28:41.600 David wouldn't have gotten

02:28:43.360 like if David literally was

02:28:45.360 kind of excommunicated and he just

02:28:47.200 patiently prayed for the king of israel and eventually he was the king of israel so like you

02:28:52.300 know see i i love this stuff but i do know that we've got a pretty diverse audience here at blood

02:28:57.480 satellite and i could just hear the distant cries of cursed papist nonsense yeah anyway let's get

02:29:03.720 back to unocracy yeah no but i was hoping this would kind of lead into that as well because

02:29:08.900 there's a few topics that you had spoken at length about on your sub stack and i would encourage

02:29:12.720 people to to look into it um and i guess it's up to you which one we start with because there's

02:29:17.720 unocracy and maybe that leads into sort of the siege economy stuff but i really wanted to kind

02:29:23.020 of let you you kind of guide the way on that if you're willing yeah yeah so i mean unocracy is

02:29:28.380 essentially it ends in the siege if you haven't gotten to the end of it it talks into the siege

02:29:33.260 economy but um you know yeah i'll start like unocracy i made this article global american

02:29:38.920 unocracy is a bit of a play on the global

02:29:41.120 American empire that's been going around

02:29:42.700 and I feel like

02:29:45.220 unocracy is a better word than empire

02:29:47.080 we don't

02:29:49.300 the American

02:29:50.080 apparatus is not an empire

02:29:52.740 it may have imperial

02:29:55.060 adventures but it's not

02:29:57.020 a proper empire

02:29:58.240 an empire

02:29:59.560 it has like a

02:30:02.100 in some senses

02:30:04.460 my friend Paul Fahrenheit says

02:30:06.620 the global American empire is neither global

02:30:09.460 American nor an empire, like the Holy Roman

02:30:11.480 Empire. It's not

02:30:13.500 global because it basically only has

02:30:15.480 a small circle of supporters.

02:30:17.900 It's not an empire because it's

02:30:19.040 more of an extraction industry, and it's not American

02:30:21.600 because the leaders of it are these

02:30:23.420 globalists. They're not properly American.

02:30:28.160 And so I

02:30:29.440 I agree with that.

02:30:31.760 I think a lot of people that I listen

02:30:33.500 to from various sectors

02:30:35.020 of this this thing of ours is distant right but even on the left who are grappling with that

02:30:39.920 problem they have different names for it and different ways to describe this phenomena of

02:30:44.280 they call it an empire but they kind of know it's not but they don't know

02:30:47.820 how to approach the problem then sorry you can continue yeah so i i came up across the term

02:30:54.040 unocracy um i forget exactly where i i remember reading it in a blog about the ming empire

02:31:01.880 several years ago and then recently when i was on a lunch break i i came across that blog again

02:31:07.880 and i reread that word i was like this is actually a really interesting word and because

02:31:12.060 when i read it originally years ago i was like oh that's a clever word and that was it

02:31:15.020 and then i a lot of times when i see a clever word i get kind of like autistic about it and

02:31:19.700 go on a deep dive of where does this word come from who invented it why does it exist and why

02:31:23.780 is this proper definition of history um so i started hunting down the term unocracy and i

02:31:28.520 I found out that if you go to Google Book,

02:31:31.080 my standard approach to finding the origin of a term

02:31:34.140 is first go to Google Books,

02:31:36.020 then go to the New York Public Library.

02:31:39.020 And I'm a graduate of Columbia University,

02:31:43.200 so I still have academic credentials

02:31:45.620 to access the archives there.

02:31:47.460 And so my third source is to go to the Columbia Library

02:31:49.400 and go dig in there.

02:31:50.880 Cool.

02:31:52.880 I'm a scholar.

02:31:54.660 And even though I didn't finish my PhD,

02:31:56.880 I still have a master's

02:31:57.680 and i'm more than happy to use it well if you don't mind me asking just to give people some

02:32:01.300 some background reveal as much as you're comfortable with what would your academic

02:32:05.160 background be because some people are quite impressed by this stuff uh it's it is in

02:32:10.980 architecture but there's a bit of other stuff in there uh the universities i went to don't really

02:32:16.920 believe in the concept of a major uh they'll issue a major but they they'll force you to do

02:32:21.760 other stuff so i got a polytechnic education as they call it um i like it yeah because it like

02:32:29.560 when i was a sophomore and a junior in my undergrad i was learning uh jack engineering

02:32:34.820 alongside architecture which is really fun so anyway i got i got i got my degrees in architecture

02:32:39.800 all of them but i have you could say i have an unofficial minor in several topics because the

02:32:45.360 school made you look at them and and i went deep into them yeah um this show we're very interested

02:32:50.500 in sort of not exiled academics,

02:32:52.700 but people who have sort of found their way

02:32:55.240 outside of academia,

02:32:56.660 but have tales from the inside.

02:32:58.740 I find those people very interesting.

02:33:00.380 Yeah, I quit a PhD last year

02:33:02.920 because it was just,

02:33:03.900 it wasn't going really,

02:33:05.320 I'm with the war in Europe.

02:33:06.480 I was in Europe for the PhD

02:33:07.540 and it really wasn't going anywhere

02:33:09.800 with the funding.

02:33:10.740 So I was like,

02:33:11.300 I can see that this is going to be four years

02:33:14.660 of scraping the barrel.

02:33:16.840 And I would rather just go back to my old job

02:33:19.460 and make proper money.

02:33:21.480 Do you think you might ever

02:33:22.840 restart that again

02:33:24.740 or are you done with that entirely?

02:33:26.420 Do you think?

02:33:27.320 It really depends on

02:33:28.920 how long the war lasts,

02:33:30.740 if the institutions still have

02:33:32.780 any worth in a few years.

02:33:35.300 And if, you know,

02:33:37.280 there's a possibility

02:33:38.120 at some point in the next 10 years

02:33:39.540 that you might be able to do a PhD

02:33:40.700 without any actual university.

02:33:44.180 There's a bit of me

02:33:45.000 that wants to hedge that bet

02:33:46.060 and be like, you know,

02:33:47.140 maybe wait eight years

02:33:48.160 And if they allow, like, you know, non-academic PhDs to happen with online education, why not just do that?

02:33:54.760 Well, I know that the crews that we run in are on the cutting edge of getting chat GPT to write all your shit for you.

02:34:00.740 So that might be an option.

02:34:02.200 And I'm a guy, like, I'm in marketing, and I always have in my mind, I really want to go and get an MBA.

02:34:08.680 I don't, you know, but that's, like, what, $250,000 if you're getting a good one, and you might as well get a proper MBA.

02:34:15.700 Yeah.

02:34:16.480 I always keep that in my mind.

02:34:18.160 I went for a master's at Columbia because it was – I'm smart.

02:34:22.500 I got into the accelerated program, and so it was a three-semester master's program.

02:34:25.900 It was nice.

02:34:26.880 And I spent that master's program in Moscow, in London, in Paris, and in Berlin, and in Dessau, and in a lot of places.

02:34:35.720 It was a wonderful 18-month experience or 16-month experience.

02:34:39.220 I forget.

02:34:41.340 And that was good enough for me.

02:34:43.960 i mean like you get a professor job on a master's and that i i did enough work there to and

02:34:48.240 experience there to not really give a shit what people think about phd um i just look at people

02:34:52.540 that like i could write a phd in six months and be done but you're not allowed to do that right

02:34:56.940 so it's like why would i waste my why would i force myself to spend four to eight years somewhere

02:35:00.700 knowing i get this done in six months that that's i value my life i don't i don't you know when i

02:35:06.800 was in a phd i had a scholarship and everything i wasn't i wasn't like spending money i was getting

02:35:11.260 money out of it i still have like a couple thousand dollars stuck in belgium uh because

02:35:15.120 i don't want to bring it out in draft of the war when the euro bounces back but like i was getting

02:35:19.460 i was getting paid to do my hair brain crazy nonsense um i'm again like i am part jewish

02:35:26.540 i do think in terms of money on a lot of things i'm sorry it's just

02:35:29.000 sorry if you're not gonna make me money i don't give a shit someone's got to keep an eye on the

02:35:35.420 dollary do's yeah i'm sorry like i am the kind of person who has in the past made ten thousand

02:35:42.480 dollars in a day timing my timing my shit and i intend to continue that skill set and i'm sorry

02:35:48.680 just it's just one of the skills you get being of that tribe and i'm going to use it and give that

02:35:53.900 money to my friends because i want them to succeed see as a non-jewish just white man it's very

02:35:59.680 difficult for me to see things not in just

02:36:01.700 lumber and steel

02:36:03.060 and fish. Exactly. And our

02:36:05.640 enemies call this racism. I'm sorry, but

02:36:07.640 these are just the particular

02:36:09.600 points of pride of our people.

02:36:12.060 And it goes beyond just white people.

02:36:14.460 I'm sorry, I go to

02:36:15.720 Ethiopia, and the way in which they tell a story,

02:36:18.400 I can't do that. They can

02:36:19.700 do that because that's their unique quality.

02:36:22.040 And they should love their

02:36:23.460 quality. It's something you should give thanks to God

02:36:25.680 for beseeching your people with these

02:36:27.620 unique qualities. Anyway, though,

02:36:29.480 but like yeah i love the idea that like yeah some people can only think in terms of logs and steel

02:36:33.480 that's literally the american mindset yeah are you are you familiar with the sand batch circle theory

02:36:39.380 okay here's the thing i've heard i it's hard for me to differentiate what's like a meme at this

02:36:45.480 point but i know like you would talk about you're in the circle you're out of the circle and then

02:36:49.040 you would draw a circle around like northern europe yeah yeah it's the dogger land at least

02:36:55.040 and that this theory this is crackpot but actually genetically provable theory by by our beloved

02:37:01.000 friend mr sandbatch uh who's who's a wonderful twitter account to follow uh truly a gentleman

02:37:06.300 and a scholar uh but if you draw like i think it's like a um something like a 300 mile

02:37:12.640 circumference around where dogger land was that that sunk into the water everyone there has like

02:37:17.540 an unbelievably high iq and just like and and like only thinks in terms of like like you said

02:37:22.740 wooden steel and that's all they can think about and like how can that's interesting

02:37:27.080 see this this is the perfect bridge between my crazy esoteric bullshit and sandbatch thinking

02:37:34.280 because i'm like oh this is like your atlantis this is good i like this yeah anyway i started

02:37:39.820 figuring out the tangent it's just a fun tension to go down i am currently tangents i i am currently

02:37:45.340 dealing with with probably a dozen angry lutheran pastors that are that are that are calling me an

02:37:50.400 evil nazi even though i i would like literally be in the in the concentration camp well look

02:37:56.360 see if you if you look at what nazis these days who would they put in a concentration camp

02:38:01.500 there'd be like two-thirds of white people would probably be in that concentration camp

02:38:06.720 anyway though uh i don't like going into these topics because i find them kind of cringe and

02:38:11.520 annoying but uh um so to bring this back bring this back to global american unocracy um

02:38:19.140 uh yeah so i'm just looking at the time we're just about to hit the half an hour mark

02:38:23.560 i don't know it's fine it's fine it's fine um so when i read that blog again i found that the

02:38:30.560 author that was using oh the blog was talking about a work by john key who is a uh british

02:38:35.600 non-academic he's like a specialist in oriental history which now you can't use asian history

02:38:40.080 apparently um i could go on a tangent about that i hate the term asian because in british it means

02:38:45.620 india and china those are distinct civilizations and you're disrespecting both by merging them

02:38:49.360 but anyway uh so um he wrote this this long treaties on the on the ming empire and and and

02:38:58.920 multiple dynastic cycles in china and and he basically he he used this term unocracy uh to

02:39:05.500 describe what we would describe as late late stage empire a unocracy is when the the imperial eunuchs

02:39:13.860 start to manage things a bit too much uh and at a certain point as the system starts to strain

02:39:20.460 under the overbearing tax burden on the population everyone kind of starts to realize that

02:39:27.580 that it's going to come crashing down and the thing about eunuchs is that they can't give what

02:39:34.320 they've extracted to anyone so they kind of have only their lives and then that's the end

02:39:38.200 and so something happens in the mind of a eunuch in the late imperial stage where they kind of

02:39:45.000 start freaking out that it's coming crashing down and they don't want to spend the last years of

02:39:48.820 their life in the ashes without their you know court privileges and and foods and and parties

02:39:55.680 that they they and just for the record by eunuchs would we be talking literal eunuchs like the

02:40:00.860 transgender class or just people generally who have no descendants you could use both but in

02:40:07.600 the chinese case it's literally just like people that the state made eunuchs now the reason why

02:40:12.260 eunuchs exist is because if you are a educated noble man in china uh you are competition to

02:40:20.580 the imperial throne you and your family are potentially an a dynasty in waiting in waiting

02:40:27.700 you can imagine the emperor is like the you know he's the guy who won the last heavenly cycle

02:40:32.700 his family his dynasty took over there's about like like like 500 other dynasties just waiting

02:40:38.860 for their chance to be the next dynasty name on on the list of dynasties of china and so the

02:40:44.040 emperor has this problem where uh any mistake he makes could be a foothold for one of those

02:40:49.620 families to like push themselves in and take over it's just a very like violent system it's always

02:40:55.260 been this way and so one of the the ways in which china found a a a fix for this problem

02:41:00.900 is uh is making eunuchs run some of the core imperial bureaucracy because a eunuch doesn't

02:41:08.360 have a dynasty he's in he's by by his nature he is not a dynastic man uh he's a dead end and so

02:41:14.720 although he may come from dynasties and in some instances where he does take over maybe he gives

02:41:20.040 it to a cousin or or someone else it's it's like it's not a clear dynastic line and so he's kind of

02:41:26.260 just not trusted as much uh at least by the nobles um and so where as an imperial dynasty comes to

02:41:35.080 its natural uh cyclical end where the emperor is like kind of looking for the exit door the nobles

02:41:43.740 are kind of looking for the entrance door uh the eunuchs kind of go a little insane because they're

02:41:50.500 of the belief that you know the next dynasty that takes over is going to kill them all and replace

02:41:55.080 it with with their diner their eunuchs right the new dynasty comes in kill the eunuchs bury them

02:41:59.780 with the emperor and bring in the new eunuchs um and so they kind of go nuts they start over

02:42:04.980 extracting they start overindulging they start going insane john keys the the book i was talking

02:42:10.680 about who the guy who made who seems to have been one of the creators of the term unocracy he uses

02:42:14.900 he has this really good quote um about the eunuchs uh who are at this time tax collectors and he says

02:42:21.200 uh a tax collector the tax collectors found gold mines not in the mountains but in the rich cities

02:42:28.000 if they were told that a rich man lived there here or there they said he had a silver mine in his

02:42:33.740 house and immediately decided to ransack and undermine his home sometimes in order to secure

02:42:38.740 and exemption from being robbed the cities and even provinces bartered with the eunuchs and paid

02:42:44.580 them large sums of silver which they said was taken from the mines of the royal treasury

02:42:49.560 the result of this unusual solicitousness was an increase in the price of all commodities

02:42:57.320 with the corresponding growth in the general spread of poverty um you might equate this with

02:43:03.500 the lawfare that happens with some organizations when you dare speak against certain people groups

02:43:08.500 um you know a rich man says something bad about a tribe there's a gold mine let's go let's get it

02:43:14.900 um so in many ways the the nature of a eunuch might be reflected now john's john key i got

02:43:22.580 interested in him i tried to look up his history and he seems to be something of a member of a

02:43:27.220 of a clique of british scholars from the 1970s uh including uh someone named colin galishan who

02:43:35.760 is this guy who seems to have just entirely disappeared from history after he wrote a few

02:43:41.820 things in the 1970s i'm still curious where the hell he went uh and then a few other authors

02:43:47.780 possibly including peter hitchens and other people but these are like like a clique of 1970s writers

02:43:53.160 who were really writing some like really good stuff that has been forgotten about in history

02:43:58.440 um john gallashan wrote a series of of uh research articles and publications on the

02:44:06.680 the plight of black america and and the political background that was using them to take over power

02:44:12.640 through victimhood uh which is kind of interesting little key uh and john keys was like the the

02:44:19.000 oriental scholar and then there was another guy i can't remember but um anyway this led me to like

02:44:24.380 i went to the new york public library to look up the term unocracy and see if there's an older

02:44:27.820 source and i did find colin mcgalishan used this term before john keys even though they worked for

02:44:34.420 the same newspaper so i'm going to assume somehow it they probably both either came up with the term

02:44:39.560 or shared the term or read each other's works um and so he wrote it in the new statesman he wrote

02:44:44.980 uh colin mcgalishan he used the term unocracy to describe in a similar way the uh the labor

02:44:55.800 party of the 1970s um and if you don't know what the labor party was like in the 1970s the

02:45:00.960 british and the british government it was over extractive but also very inept uh he now now he

02:45:08.940 uses the term unocracy to describe a different kind of thing he describes a politician that that

02:45:13.180 is like stuffy like he he seems to use the term in terms of like like stuffiness and like stuck

02:45:18.420 in their ways uh emasculated in in the in the poetic term not the literal term uh and so it

02:45:26.360 seems that some you know there seems to be an ambiguity and i kind of mentioned this in my

02:45:30.200 paper where like this term can either be used for literal eunuchs or like just emasculated

02:45:36.860 politicians that are like uh uh useless basically when you read you so colin mcgalishan's article

02:45:45.580 the new unocracy is a criticism of tony ben's uh book the new politics and this is kind of

02:45:54.740 related to the siege economy we can we can kind of transfer into the siege economy from here

02:45:57.860 um there's plenty more in the article for you to read if you want i go through a lot of stuff

02:46:02.980 but colin mcgallishan uses the term unicrat to describe uh tony ben's criticisms of the labor

02:46:12.320 party uh in the sense that like listen tony ben you can't propose to change your party

02:46:19.080 from a bunch of eunuchs to mighty men uh you know you can't put the dick back on right

02:46:26.380 you already emasculate yourselves in your parties you kind of need like fresh blood

02:46:31.300 one of my favorite terms that colin mcgallishan uses is you need fuckable candidates

02:46:37.300 i love that as true today is what it was said yeah like uh it's colin mcgalishan his article

02:46:47.500 the new unocracy which is like a like a kind of player in words for for tony ben's the new

02:46:52.400 politics it opens with this you ever have you ever read uh curtis yarvin yeah so this is 1970s

02:47:00.420 but it almost reads like like you might remember the stuff looking ice cream cone yeah yeah so like

02:47:07.020 what colin mcgalishan says is uh in his open paragraph one of his opening paragraphs like

02:47:12.020 women's lib black power self-opening coca cans and vaginal diodorants and soon presumably the

02:47:19.440 woman-only cigarette that tells its emancipated consumer you've come a long way baby particular

02:47:26.320 participatory democracy and the power of the people have crossed the atlantic and are here

02:47:30.860 to stay it's kind of like this criticism of american imperialism but uh i read that i read

02:47:37.040 that i was like shit man someone could totally make some money on a feminist cigarette if they

02:47:41.260 wanted to uh but tony so like he tony ben's big criticism i'm kind of butchering this but

02:47:49.800 tony ben's big criticism of why he wrote the new politics is that um one of the new reasons is

02:47:56.640 that he tony ben was aware america's imperial desires in europe would inevitably uh turn britain

02:48:04.560 into a colony of the of the american empire and he didn't want that and tony tony tony i'm sorry

02:48:12.220 colin mcglalshan's main criticism of tony ben's desires for a independent socialist britain was

02:48:18.760 basically you are the the middlemen of the american empire you can't be your own empire

02:48:25.100 because by definition you're the

02:48:26.760 eunuchs of the American empire

02:48:28.480 how are you going to create a new

02:48:31.340 Britain when you're

02:48:33.240 literally just like coughing up American

02:48:35.200 talking points and like products and

02:48:37.180 like trying to integrate with the American global economy

02:48:39.360 like you are the

02:48:41.320 corners of their empire

02:48:42.940 you can't make a new Britain

02:48:44.660 you can't make an independent Britain

02:48:46.180 it's ridiculous

02:48:48.160 Tony Benn was

02:48:50.740 Tony Benn was like advocating

02:48:52.440 in 1971 when he wrote this book

02:48:55.100 that you know you have to really like the labor party has to try to create an independent economy

02:48:59.840 in this post-world world war ii world where the americans are absolutely dominating uh and if we

02:49:06.340 don't figure out a way to make our own niche in this new like global hierarchy we're just going

02:49:12.480 to be a colony and and colin mcconnell's just response was that you literally are the colonial

02:49:17.320 managers how are you going to create your own empire uh anyway i'll pause there if you have

02:49:22.620 any thoughts because i'm trying to find it yeah i was curious about so i don't think there'd be a

02:49:27.780 lot of people who would argue against that at all and i was curious how could one find their way out

02:49:33.900 of your unocracy if these individuals do end up like we could all agree that it's impossible to

02:49:39.620 achieve any sort of national sovereignty with these people at the helm um a how do they get

02:49:45.320 there b is there a way to cycle them out from within uh you know that's what tony ben tried

02:49:53.600 to do uh tony ben before there was new labor there was benism and benism was the attempt to

02:50:00.180 take over the labor party cycle out the colonial administrators and bring up and bring in like a

02:50:04.820 a british national national not not not quite nationalist because he was a socialist but

02:50:10.640 you know a nationally minded socialism if you will uh like again like tony ben didn't he's not

02:50:18.720 he's not a fascist he's a social he's a he's a good old jolly socialist but he couldn't he was

02:50:23.700 constrained in the language because whenever he tried to describe what he wanted it inevitably

02:50:28.700 sounded like 1930s germany and he just honestly that's the funny thing like everyone no one wants

02:50:33.620 to be a nazi i get that but then when people start making the bullet lists of what they want

02:50:38.420 or how a system to course correct something and they have to describe it like well it's like a

02:50:42.780 it's a nationalist version of socialism i'm like okay like we all know find a new name if you want

02:50:49.240 but it sounds like a lot of people kind of arrive at the same kind of construct you know and that's

02:50:55.480 the problem like this is why i i advocate for an entirely new set of language language because

02:51:00.480 the the languages of the 20th century whatever you might think about it they've imprisoned

02:51:06.300 themselves. And you just can't use it. It's on a rail. The second you pick a rail, the end point

02:51:12.360 is already determined for you. They're entirely locked in political movements that just have

02:51:18.440 predetermined endpoints. And you're not going to escape that. In order to escape that, you need to

02:51:23.440 get out of the boomer truth regime and figure out a new political scheme. Yeah. And I don't want to

02:51:29.340 distract you or anything, but in my work in marketing, this is something I harp on quite

02:51:34.180 often and i spoke of this with pete kionis just the other day but i speak about with a lot of

02:51:38.700 other people which is like you know and i'm not the first one to say like we must break free of

02:51:42.940 the 20th century but i'm like but really though any gestures towards an old ideology that might

02:51:49.720 you know have some truck for traditionalists like myself but i'm like you have to understand that

02:51:54.860 for regular people if they are convinced we are facing new problems you need new solutions even

02:52:01.720 if they are old solutions with new

02:52:03.800 branding. But that's why

02:52:05.660 when people like to keep referring to the

02:52:07.640 past, there is some sort of

02:52:09.540 hyper real safety that we can create

02:52:11.840 in there. But honestly, if

02:52:13.620 you want to energize people

02:52:15.640 that you're going to need something

02:52:18.000 novel.

02:52:19.660 Yeah, I often point to the

02:52:21.440 question I ask people that are

02:52:23.720 thinking about this is, can you tell

02:52:25.580 me when

02:52:26.620 Augustus's

02:52:28.700 coronation ceremony to Emperor

02:52:31.300 happened if you're asking me the answer is no i don't know it never happened he was never

02:52:40.360 officially he he was never officially declared emperor what he did was run independently for

02:52:47.860 elected office for like dozens of top official positions because in rome you could you could

02:52:55.140 hold multiple offices and so what augustus did was was screwed i'm just gonna run for them all

02:53:00.840 and he won them all and and augustus so augustus was never declared emperor he just won all the

02:53:08.820 top positions in the election and then he said i'm using my newfound powers to unify these

02:53:15.100 various offices into the position of imperator what is an imperator fuck if i know it's not a

02:53:20.860 king though don't call the king yes it's a new thing and that history is written by the people

02:53:26.680 who find novel solutions for for those problems like realizing that oh there aren't rules i can

02:53:32.620 make new rules and yeah sorry continue no no yeah and and this is one of the reasons why i've took

02:53:37.460 an interest in benism because ben was really trying to like find terms and languages and ideas

02:53:43.160 uh that could exist independently of the 20th century and and maybe guide britain into a new

02:53:50.580 world and at one point he says um i think this is a quote by him uh the pre he didn't the siege

02:53:56.920 economy is the the um slang term within the cabinet officially it was called the alternative

02:54:04.400 economic strategy uh the pre he says uh the premise of the so-called alternative economic

02:54:11.420 strategy was that in a globalized world britain could only reboot its stalled economy by temporarily

02:54:17.860 cutting itself off from external pressure under this strategy the government would introduce

02:54:23.380 the stringent of controls on foreign imports and the flow of capital effectively throwing up a

02:54:29.420 protectionist barrier to stop to stop too many foreign goods getting in behind this trade wall

02:54:35.560 they they could adopt a properly socialist policy with full employment steadily rising wages booming

02:54:43.760 demand and hence a resurgent manufacturing base all under the direction of a souped up national

02:54:51.040 enterprise board these are creative terms you know what is the national enterprise board it's

02:54:58.000 an imperial court all right what is he using social socialism as imperial policy what is he

02:55:03.920 describing as an alternative economic strategy it's an imperial jurisdiction he's he's reinterpreting

02:55:09.800 these terms into a socialist

02:55:12.000 like framework

02:55:13.280 but he's kind of subverting socialism by doing

02:55:15.940 it you know like

02:55:17.600 if we had if Tony Bennett had gotten his

02:55:19.880 way and Britain was ruled by a national

02:55:22.100 enterprise board with a

02:55:23.280 president you have a dictator

02:55:25.700 you have a national socialist dictator he's just not using the

02:55:27.860 terms and it would

02:55:29.580 it wouldn't be it wouldn't be Hitler it would be

02:55:31.920 literally like old school Marxism

02:55:33.860 he'd be closer to Stalin than

02:55:35.320 Adolf in your opinion would that

02:55:37.880 be is that the good ending

02:55:39.780 would that have been beneficial it's it's it's better it's not good it's like the it's like well

02:55:45.460 well congratulations you're not an american economy you're just dirt fucking poor and can't

02:55:49.140 control yourself so i mean well because a lot of people when they speak of these uh political

02:55:54.040 systems oftentimes they're imperfect or they're kind of low resolution but if you view them as

02:55:59.780 transitory they make a lot more sense like okay maybe this is a transition system to another

02:56:04.740 system whereas a lot of guys that are seen are like oh we're going to find this system that's

02:56:08.400 going to work forever and that just seems like an impossibility yeah no like any attempt at a

02:56:15.760 strategy is is merely a bridge to something that isn't the suicide of your country uh the current

02:56:22.120 trajectory is suicide and staying on the bridge is not a viable solution either you have to march

02:56:28.980 towards something that that will actually work personally i kind of am favorable to a holy roman

02:56:34.880 empire model where you kind of like devolve your government into a decentralized entity i really

02:56:41.640 don't see how centralized anything can survive this travesty of cultural suicide i think you

02:56:47.900 actually have to like like divide up your empire into little pieces that can like figure out unique

02:56:53.060 solutions to themselves and then as the solutions work you slowly grow their application to larger

02:56:58.820 chunks of the country and that was even uh when napoleon was kind of crafting his french imperium

02:57:04.860 what you might call a liberal imperium like that's essentially what he's working for you

02:57:09.520 would still have a center but you know for all intents and purposes he let everything else

02:57:14.060 uh operate as was which is a more stable it's less of an iron grip it's less

02:57:19.740 you know something that's too firm cannot be fluid and evolve

02:57:23.560 that when i was in belgium one of the things i learned about was the the history of the dutch

02:57:31.740 under a napoleonic rule and there was this problem in that people took a little bit it took

02:57:38.060 it took a generation for the dutch to realize this but they realized that they were viewing the

02:57:43.440 french culture as elite and their own culture as like mid-tier and and eventually they kind of

02:57:51.620 caught on that they had become a colony and that this was a tactic it wasn't by accident it was

02:57:57.480 actually a french colonial tactic to make them all french uh and so the dutch kind of had this

02:58:02.720 thought well yeah why do we view high class as french why can't there be a dutch high class

02:58:09.640 um this is kind of the problem that america has right now that there really isn't such a thing as

02:58:14.800 a uh american high class you have to you have to be progressive to be high class uh you have to be

02:58:22.360 like a globalist to be high class that those are high class things they're like kind of

02:58:26.440 one of our mutual friends calls it deracinated american dipshit but uh who is that who's coined

02:58:33.640 that term i just talked to him yesterday i'll have to find out oh that's right sorry i didn't

02:58:38.620 know if you're trying to be like keep like a friend of ours a wink wink out reamer you might

02:58:43.940 know him yeah um so maybe on telegram it's like we all know the same 30 guys yeah and they're 20

02:58:52.120 different versions of their names uh so so the dutch i mean there's a there's a wonderful word

02:59:00.100 that the dutch invented that has gone extinct that we should really resurrect it's are you

02:59:04.700 familiar with like the you know the marxist term bourgeoisie yeah so the the french had a term

02:59:10.720 called manager and this was essentially the managerial equivalent of the bourgeois um and

02:59:17.420 they called the french administrators the the man of joys the man of joys class and this was like a

02:59:22.460 kind of mocking term like you're not really you're not a governor because you're not dutch you're just

02:59:27.700 a manager you're just from france managing us you're not really anybody uh and and eventually

02:59:32.840 there was this this cultural effort among the dutch to develop an actual dutch aristocracy

02:59:39.440 to compete with the french aristocracy uh and that's why belgium has like it's like two countries

02:59:45.380 and one there's the french side and the dutch side um but this was a realization amongst the

02:59:51.120 dutch that they they had forgotten what it meant to be a dutch aristocrat and they had associated

02:59:57.560 the idea of an aristocrat with french and as a result they actually had no pathway for

03:00:02.920 understanding their own people as an aristocratic class they had they had traded that like in order

03:00:09.980 to become an aristocrat you had to become french there was there was just no such thing as a dutch

03:00:13.600 aristocrat and so they put a generational effort into defining a dutch aristocracy and as a result

03:00:20.240 the dutch reinvented themselves and became a proper culture with their own future um this

03:00:26.420 shift from associating higher class with with a with an out group that's what americans have to

03:00:32.960 do they have to stop associating high class with an out group uh you can be a high class anglo you

03:00:40.460 can be a high-class French. You can be a high-class

03:00:42.580 African-American if you want.

03:00:45.660 Would that have been

03:00:46.520 traditionally the WASP

03:00:48.240 archetype, or is that just...

03:00:50.060 America destroyed its...

03:00:52.640 It was the southern

03:00:54.300 aristocracy that was destroyed in the Civil War.

03:00:56.560 They were genocided. They were

03:00:58.320 destroyed.

03:01:01.280 I'm reading a book

03:01:02.120 about David Ramsey. He was the secretary of...

03:01:05.360 General...

03:01:06.040 Who was it? Who was the guy in the

03:01:08.220 U.S. government who handles

03:01:09.140 law and

03:01:10.780 jurisdictions.

03:01:13.740 I'm not sure. I'm a

03:01:15.260 Canadian. Anyway, his name

03:01:17.460 is David Ramsey. He was in the LBG administration.

03:01:19.980 It was like high up

03:01:21.620 prosecutor.

03:01:23.520 Attorney General. That was the word I was looking for.

03:01:25.180 He's the Attorney General under LBG.

03:01:27.200 I was about to say Attorney General.

03:01:29.880 Yeah, he was

03:01:30.720 like a chip

03:01:33.120 off the Dixie

03:01:35.080 crat shoulder.

03:01:37.700 And when

03:01:38.940 all the martin luther king protests and riots happened his solution for dealing with with them

03:01:44.480 was to actually act like their like their owner like their like their master and by playing the

03:01:52.460 cultural cards associated with being a benevolent master he got the african americans to obey them

03:01:59.960 and stop rioting because he was playing the part he didn't curse them out he didn't insult them he

03:02:04.700 said you know i'm your patriarch do what i say and i'll bless you and benefit you and i actually

03:02:09.200 started the democrat tradition of like you know benefit you know giving gifts to the african

03:02:14.160 americans for voting for them people get jealous that and angry about that no that's basic patron

03:02:19.100 that's just patronization that that's how politics work at some point in time the right wing viewed

03:02:23.780 that as bad i'm sorry but the democrat plantation is a good thing it's how politics work it's how

03:02:28.360 you get power you just don't have a plantation that you belong to because you suicided it there's

03:02:32.660 no such thing as it but if you really look at the deeper history this is a long-standing

03:02:36.600 problem with american southern culture um and and to a and to a lesser extent this extends

03:02:42.700 into the yankeedom there's this problem where the white slave owners viewed their black slaves

03:02:51.880 as more valuable than the poor white people around them that like it was more important

03:02:57.000 to them to keep their property than it was to help their countrymen and this is something we

03:03:02.080 discussed uh for people who are interested a bit more in this when christopher sandbatch was on the

03:03:06.640 show we spent some time discussing uh slavery era south and this was one of the dynamics we covered

03:03:12.800 but sorry continue i find this interesting in many ways after the yankees destroyed the southern

03:03:18.520 aristocracy that social model was actually kind of adopted by the yankees at a national level they

03:03:25.100 like stole it from the south and instead of blacks they did it to irishmen and italians

03:03:30.100 but the problem is like the Yankees got into this

03:03:32.220 you know I'm a Yankees

03:03:33.200 we got into this problem of

03:03:36.160 you basically

03:03:37.780 take out a contract on a people group

03:03:40.120 for about you know 30 to 40 years of loyalty

03:03:42.420 that burns out

03:03:44.120 and you need a new people group to do the loyalty to

03:03:46.300 and this is

03:03:48.400 you know I come from a Democrat

03:03:50.280 family and this is a problem with the Democrats

03:03:52.060 they can get the loyalty of a people group

03:03:54.380 for a generation

03:03:55.780 and then they need to bring in a new people group

03:03:58.020 because they burn through their trust, right?

03:04:00.480 They haven't burned through the trust

03:04:01.640 of the African-American groups yet.

03:04:03.760 They always seem to,

03:04:05.560 like almost like an echo of understanding

03:04:08.060 that your property is more important

03:04:09.380 than your countrymen.

03:04:10.440 They always stop

03:04:12.400 when they do this to African-Americans

03:04:14.120 because they don't want to lose the trust of them.

03:04:16.840 But Irish, Italian, Poles, Mexicans,

03:04:19.700 they'll burn through the trust

03:04:20.600 and not give a shit.

03:04:21.400 They'll just replace them.

03:04:23.340 And this is an interesting political dynamic

03:04:25.120 because essentially the union side

03:04:27.940 of that aristocracy became the ruling elite and the rebellious side of the aristocracy were

03:04:34.320 completely annihilated and that's why the south has never really recovered from the civil war

03:04:38.340 because they were just annihilated which is interesting because when people speak of an

03:04:43.940 american identity i'm just going to kind of translate this for some people who might

03:04:47.200 kind of begin lost in the weeds of history here one thing i find interesting is when people try

03:04:51.660 and define uh an identity let's say i define the identity of the south they start from the bottom

03:04:56.360 and tried to go to the top.

03:04:57.520 They say, who are we as a people?

03:04:58.800 Whereas this model, I think, is more effective.

03:05:02.600 I mean, we saw this when we talked about a previous episode.

03:05:05.840 We're talking about Ukrainian nationalism and how Ukrainian nationalism was, like most

03:05:11.820 nationalism, crafted by an intelligentsia within the nation.

03:05:15.380 It wasn't generated from the peasant class.

03:05:19.000 And so perhaps the antidote to this runaway unocracy, as we call it, might have to be

03:05:25.620 that discovery or forging of some some new aristocracy would that be a fair thing to say

03:05:31.400 yeah yeah and and actually that goes back to the chinese model where like the reason why the imperial

03:05:36.520 cycle could cycle through is because there was a competing aristocracy to replace the imperial

03:05:43.360 dynasty we don't have an aristocracy to replace our imperial dynasties we've had the kennedys

03:05:51.800 the Bushes, the Clintons, and the Bidens for almost a century now. They just haven't gone

03:05:57.460 away. And that is an unhealthy model because we just keep getting more and more dyscentric

03:06:03.360 versions of the same noble families. You know, it's funny, and we're going to talk about this

03:06:08.760 on the show probably the next episode, but do you watch this show, Succession?

03:06:13.540 No, I don't, but I've heard about it. It sounds like it's might related to it.

03:06:16.860 i think you might get a kick of it because um the there's a lot going on in the show it follows

03:06:22.540 uh this it's sort of a chimera of different uh american media dynasties so there's the um what's

03:06:30.520 the fucking family there's the murdochs that are in there but then there's the they start the red

03:06:34.700 the red something red you know i mean like another conservative media dynasty i'm gonna fit their

03:06:40.260 names but there's a few of them in there and there's things that are pulled from the news

03:06:44.480 headlines that make it in there. But one of the running themes is that the presidency doesn't

03:06:50.480 really matter. And that follows this media family who owns, in this, they own a channel called ATN,

03:06:57.180 which is basically Fox News. And then there's these scenes where they're at a Republican think

03:07:03.500 tank essentially deciding who the next president's going to be. And they have the candidates there.

03:07:08.260 And then they're saying, oh, who do we like? Right? But the whole idea is that the presidency

03:07:13.740 is kind of a joke it's these families and there's a few of them who are really the movers and

03:07:18.980 shakers and the real power centers i mean america is at that level imperial at the same time it's

03:07:26.640 not quite imperial it's more it really operates more like a uh venetian republic than than a

03:07:31.720 proper uh monarchy um but yeah i mean like my family has close ties to the clinton family fun

03:07:39.720 fact but uh and and so in 2016 when the clinton family lost the the heir of the democratic party

03:07:49.040 my family lost all their political power so so uh all my cousins i'm getting in trouble with

03:07:56.280 our audience we just got our first interview with a woman last week and i got a jewish clintonite

03:08:01.760 and i'm just having a ball but you know yeah so my family had uh not me directly but like no

03:08:09.100 various uncles and cousins had to had to reorganize around the new family that took over

03:08:15.000 the party because what the reason why biden is currently in power is because he was the next

03:08:18.780 up like the hit the clinton family lost power in 2016 the biden family saw that vacuum and just

03:08:24.880 flushed right in uh but the biden family is a eunuch family because again you know hunter biden

03:08:33.400 ain't exactly

03:08:34.140 he ain't exactly having kids

03:08:37.560 anytime soon. Did you see

03:08:39.460 a lot of these sort of political American dynasties

03:08:41.740 as eunuch-ish dynasties?

03:08:44.640 Like the Clintons, do they have

03:08:45.760 the stuff?

03:08:47.460 So Clinton has a daughter who has connections

03:08:49.580 and will probably produce an heir one day.

03:08:51.340 So there's always a possibility that the Clinton family comes back.

03:08:53.840 The Biden family is kind of

03:08:55.320 ripping itself apart

03:08:57.600 and this is like

03:08:59.340 it is a eunuch family in the sense that

03:09:01.380 hunter's probably maybe he has a bastard somewhere who knows but um you know hunter you know hunter

03:09:08.260 buying someone who i could totally like if i were a campaign manager i could recover that he's got

03:09:14.800 the physique he's got the money he's got the connections he just has a really really really

03:09:20.640 fucked up closet full of skeletons yeah uh it could be recovered he'd have to go through a

03:09:25.920 redemption arc but you could totally recover that well this is my policy with this is that if you

03:09:30.240 have two skeletons in your closet it's a problem if you have 35 skeletons you're just a cool

03:09:35.360 skeleton guy that's a good way to put it but like you know because the clinton family lost power and

03:09:42.320 the biden family is unocratic you kind of see these vying lower party man family members trying

03:09:48.460 to get in like the the nuisance in california are trying to get in uh the um is another democrat

03:09:55.200 party i'm trying to think a family guy um well the kennys are trying to get their their guy back in

03:10:01.060 but the you know a bell's palsy guy with a feminine voice and exactly quality material

03:10:05.600 so the democrat party has this problem where a lot of them are just dyscentric

03:10:13.120 a dysgenic rather they're they're they've burned through their quality people and all that's left

03:10:22.180 of these like like you know habsburg chin equivalents right like i was about to use

03:10:28.040 the habsburg as an example yeah there's like you know toothless hunter biden and uh you know

03:10:35.020 cowboy pelosi family uh and murderous clinton families and you know it's not exactly as if

03:10:43.420 their children have the capacity to be as brutal as the parents hillary clinton's a bitch a cold

03:10:48.700 hard bitch who's murdered people i don't think her daughter could do that i don't i don't think

03:10:52.860 she's got in her well i think that you're you're describing something a lot of people feel which

03:10:57.480 is they look at these individuals and they say well you're not hyper competent and but you're

03:11:02.500 also you don't give off a nobility so you're just these like you're like the new sums and stuff

03:11:07.980 you're like you're i see your status but every angle i look at it from it doesn't seem to make

03:11:13.660 sense why you're up there.

03:11:16.880 Newsom has

03:11:17.680 potential to be an

03:11:19.640 incoming family.

03:11:21.460 He's got kids. He's got the

03:11:23.600 physique. He's not this dysgenic.

03:11:25.760 He's got the quality to be

03:11:27.800 a president and have found a dynasty.

03:11:29.980 The question is if he's

03:11:31.620 got the connections and networks to

03:11:33.500 can he buy out the Biden

03:11:35.760 supporters to come over to his side?

03:11:38.760 I'm curious

03:11:39.580 about what your thought about Trump was.

03:11:41.900 I know you're probably tired of talking about Trump.

03:11:43.660 figure out where he might fit in with this

03:11:46.020 you gotta never chumper here

03:11:47.860 well I'd say because he didn't seem like

03:11:50.320 everyone liked him because he wasn't from that world

03:11:52.160 but he still had status

03:11:53.860 but he you know

03:11:54.680 are you familiar with Isaac Asimov's works

03:11:58.220 yeah

03:11:59.080 you know the mule right

03:12:01.200 no I've only read like the first couple

03:12:04.040 foundation books I think actually

03:12:05.780 the mule is an interesting character

03:12:07.880 when you get up to him you'll understand why Trump is a mule

03:12:10.060 Trump

03:12:11.940 is potentially

03:12:13.720 I know

03:12:15.980 I would say his family managed

03:12:18.000 to get in

03:12:19.680 the they're like kind of like

03:12:22.020 this part of this family that

03:12:23.540 they don't have to stay Republican

03:12:26.180 right and they were Democrat like a

03:12:28.000 decade ago right

03:12:29.580 they're an example of a family that

03:12:31.900 would have been a new

03:12:33.840 noble line in the Democratic Party

03:12:36.000 but these stuffy eunuchs didn't

03:12:37.940 let them get in so they went to the secondary party

03:12:39.980 and they're trying to you know

03:12:41.620 the strategy was to try to like make the Republican party,

03:12:44.280 the new primary party fat chance,

03:12:46.820 ha ha funny joke.

03:12:48.960 And now,

03:12:50.000 you know,

03:12:50.680 you had the potential where the Trump family,

03:12:53.200 it's not going away.

03:12:54.540 You have several heirs who have wealth and independently wealthy and that in

03:12:59.340 the,

03:12:59.480 in the estates and wealth of that family is not going to go away when Trump

03:13:02.760 dies.

03:13:03.300 You'll have several generations of Trump in the future for sure.

03:13:07.700 I could totally see one of Trump's sons being a president in like 30,

03:13:11.620 years from now um that is a new family that has pushed into the republican party and you know

03:13:21.060 the republicans party they're kind of like a revolving door in terms of noble families like

03:13:25.740 no one in there lasts more than a single presidential term really um you know the

03:13:30.420 bush family has already become it's one of those weird situations where there isn't really a higher

03:13:35.500 noble family in that party

03:13:37.940 Trump just kind of filled the vacuum

03:13:40.200 and he probably

03:13:41.520 his family I mean let me be frank

03:13:44.140 his family could very well take over the party

03:13:46.200 and be the leading

03:13:47.480 premier for a generation

03:13:49.340 that could happen it depends

03:13:51.940 I'm not I haven't thought

03:13:55.980 my thoughts too much on it too much

03:13:57.520 but you know the Republican I don't think the Republican Party

03:14:00.060 has an alternative noble family to run

03:14:02.200 it like you know

03:14:03.180 who else is there really

03:14:05.020 yeah it got me thinking because i'm wondering um and this might be too big of a question you can

03:14:11.460 tell me to go fuck myself but um i'm wondering you know to solve to cycle out the eunuchs as it were

03:14:18.380 and and bring in this sort of new dynastic family uh would this family need to in a sense come

03:14:27.120 prepared with a new american identity because that's also kind of what we're talking about

03:14:31.100 about introducing that intelligentsia level stuff like would if trump wanted that trump family wanted

03:14:37.880 to really stake a claim would they need to come correct with that level of like identity or

03:14:43.380 nation building probably and that's a bit of a tragedy because there simply aren't enough

03:14:49.300 maybe it's not tragedy i was gonna say maybe it's a tragedy because there aren't enough anglos in

03:14:55.940 the country to make it an identity but that may not necessarily be bad because if the anglos were

03:15:02.900 to create a new identity it would probably become a standard reproducible identity and help them

03:15:08.160 recover um yeah because because the anglos really haven't had an identity since like

03:15:14.080 the the early 1900s it just got wiped out like the last anglo president was was probably uh

03:15:22.520 who's the ww guy in world war one william what i can't ever pronounce his name right

03:15:29.280 no no no um the president people though i'm gonna sound like a retard this episode because

03:15:36.020 i don't really have love american history i'll yeah uh world war one president world

03:15:44.520 wilson that's the guy wilder wilson was probably the last proper anglo president like with all the

03:15:51.600 aristocratic qualities uh there have been a plenty of anglo presidents since but they've all been

03:15:58.580 like of a dysgenic quality uh like you know clinton was was a was an old anglo boy uh the

03:16:05.920 clinton family goes back to the revolutionary war but he was you know a womanizer drunk drinking

03:16:12.240 with you know he drank with the he got drunk with the with the the premier of the soviet union right

03:16:18.180 so it's like what the fuck is this um you know like the two great nuclear powers their leaders

03:16:25.340 are drunk together just don't keep away from the red button um but you know they were they were

03:16:31.780 like mid-tier they weren't they weren't a risk they weren't high quality they weren't low quality

03:16:35.740 they were in the process of decline uh and now you get like you know like the habsburg clinton

03:16:41.640 child and the Habsburg

03:16:43.000 Pelosi child and the Habsburg

03:16:45.700 Biden

03:16:47.860 child. And they're just

03:16:48.780 declining quality of people.

03:16:53.060 Where was I going

03:16:53.800 with this? I totally forgot.

03:16:55.960 I forgot where I was going with this, actually.

03:16:57.620 I lost training my thought.

03:16:59.440 It's very, very late. And I

03:17:01.680 know you might probably have to get going soon.

03:17:04.520 No, I have

03:17:04.880 another hour, but I know you don't want to go for another

03:17:07.620 hour. Because I do have to get

03:17:09.660 going. I've got a baby crying upstairs. But I

03:17:11.540 Also, I wanted to tell one story that I found interesting recently when we were covering

03:17:15.120 the history of the Mongols, and this might relate to the Chinese example you gave, because

03:17:20.920 we're not huge fans of the Chinese government right now, but I do find ancient China a very

03:17:28.260 historically unique case.

03:17:30.460 But the story of the Mongols was very funny when we covered it, because that was almost

03:17:36.040 a traditional empire conquering a bureaucracy that was eventually subsumed by the bureaucracy

03:17:42.500 because the chinese bureaucracy the chinese state was this ancient impenetrable thing and so you had

03:17:48.640 the mongols taking all is different dynasties obviously but it was something that functioned

03:17:54.560 like i say they had it was this very complex organism that even though you had a monk the

03:17:59.580 mongols coming in with the fucking swords and it's like i'm in charge and you pay me now and it had

03:18:04.480 the the brashness of a a conquering empire but it's it still couldn't untangle this bureaucracy

03:18:10.480 and so over time you saw the mongols that were in charge of it just become chinese and so it was

03:18:17.520 i just found it interesting it was this traditional conquering empire that went up against this

03:18:23.420 indecipherable bureaucracy and lost by degrees over time yeah and and you know china has like

03:18:30.980 something in the range of like six to eight thousand years of history europe has something

03:18:35.260 in the range of like three thousand years of history america has 300 years it's it's still

03:18:40.820 well 400 years it's still not clear if our continental legacy will end up more like china

03:18:47.120 or more like rome right it's it's not clear we're too young to understand where that goes um and

03:18:54.320 in many ways uh you know i'm writing a subject article right now about the relationship between

03:19:00.960 between the aristocracy of different parts of the Roman Empire

03:19:07.720 and how they related to each other.

03:19:09.500 Fun fact, the Latin aristocracy in Rome

03:19:13.260 and the Gallic aristocracy in Paris during the Roman Empire,

03:19:19.740 a large amount of the fall of the Roman Empire

03:19:23.640 relates to the divorce between those aristocrats.

03:19:26.900 There's a century-long declining relationship.

03:19:30.460 Had that decline, had that divorce never happened, the Roman Empire would have endured another thousand years or longer in Europe.

03:19:41.200 The binding cells of European dominance comes with the relationship between those two aristocratic courts, the Gauls and the Latins.

03:19:57.580 uh to to a lesser extent the germans too um but the germans have always been in a reflection of

03:20:04.620 either the french or the italians they are the strongest but they are not the they want to be

03:20:09.900 the head but oftentimes they're just the arms of whatever is the head um so anyway anyway um

03:20:16.380 i'd be interested in reading that because um arc that i would like to go on eventually and you know

03:20:23.140 scene everyone talks about elites the elites the cabals or whatnot but it's spoken very vaguely

03:20:29.140 and kind of low resolution quality and i wanted to do for lack of better term elite studies and

03:20:35.060 see because you know it was presented to me the question of you know everyone goes on about klaus

03:20:39.440 schwab and the world economic forum and someone said well what's so bad about that and it kind

03:20:43.280 of gave me pause because no one had ever really fucking asked that before so i had to kind of

03:20:47.240 unpack about here's how like what why might make an argument for why this is bad or and then you

03:20:53.740 actually do that but it requires you to actually get into how do ngos work how do globalist elites

03:20:59.680 work how do they get there what do they want what are they and that entire strata i don't think

03:21:06.040 is spoken of in detail a lot especially in our scene and if you if you don't understand it then

03:21:11.000 you can't really do anything about it right yeah i i hopefully have explained here how the american

03:21:15.640 elite theory works at a family level uh i was talking to my uncle who um he's in an alphabet

03:21:22.800 organization i'll say that um and i i was talking with him and i i put the because he was talking

03:21:29.100 about how he was sad pompeo isn't running for president uh and he he's not convinced that um

03:21:35.140 desantis would be a good president he probably makes a better governor uh he's more he's more

03:21:40.320 he's my most conservative uncle

03:21:42.240 and so he's like you know my family's

03:21:44.680 in bed with the democrats he's like

03:21:46.680 the gee I really wish

03:21:48.480 a cool republic would come by kind of guy

03:21:50.720 and I put the question

03:21:52.680 to him

03:21:53.220 uncle what do you think about this

03:21:56.020 Pompeo and DeSantis as a ticket together

03:21:58.660 and he paused for a second he thought

03:22:00.740 that would be a

03:22:02.580 powerful dynamic

03:22:03.660 he didn't know which one would be president

03:22:06.740 which would be vice president but that would be

03:22:08.720 a competent dynamic

03:22:10.260 that the union of those families would be competent enough

03:22:13.760 to run the country competently, to repeat myself.

03:22:17.340 But unfortunately, that doesn't look like it's going to happen,

03:22:20.320 but maybe next time.

03:22:22.740 I wanted to quickly, we never actually got into

03:22:25.060 what the siege economy was.

03:22:27.120 I want to just quickly reflect on that before we...

03:22:29.100 Of course, yes, yes.

03:22:30.320 So just to kind of pivot back to that concept,

03:22:35.480 Tony Benn wrote the article that I was describing,

03:22:39.540 the new politics um in 1970 or 1931 later on when he was a member of the of the labor party cover

03:22:45.760 this is before thatcher he was a member of the labor party cabinet running the country before

03:22:51.000 thatcher and and they were really in a in a shitter they had inflation about four times what

03:22:56.680 it is now under covid limits so it was a anybody who lived through the 1970s britain can tell you

03:23:02.520 how bad it was it was like a crapshoot and so they kind of assembled the parliament and they

03:23:08.820 they they got an honest they talked honestly about of the problem that britain was essentially

03:23:15.000 economically dying uh and there were many proposals proposed the most controversial one

03:23:21.460 was take out a loan with the imf and just accept colonial status to the americans

03:23:27.480 just just accept it we lost the empire just be a colony it's the only thing we can do

03:23:32.380 and tony ben was like i had this alternative economic model i i really think we should give

03:23:38.760 a shot, even if it fucks us over. We're going to lose the election either way. We might as well

03:23:42.440 try. And his proposal, the alternative economic model, whatever it was, he called it the siege

03:23:50.940 economy. And what he said was basically like, we have to operate on the assumption that doing this

03:23:56.720 will make us the enemy of the world. We have to operate on the assumption we're going to be under

03:24:00.920 siege by the world, especially the Americans. His famous quote was, you know, if you take out

03:24:06.300 alone with the imf and become an american colony you'll be in the citadel with the bankers

03:24:13.840 and outside the citadel will be the angry people and the unions betrayed and they'll be storming

03:24:20.420 your citadel forever you go with my model you're still in the citadel but you're with the trade

03:24:26.440 unions and the people and it's the bankers outside storming you which do you want to be

03:24:31.720 which do you want to be you want to be you want to be in the citadel with the bankers or you want

03:24:36.680 to be in the citadel with the people right like which do you want to be when when the going gets

03:24:40.260 tough and the labor government chickened out and went with the colonial status but he he said

03:24:47.960 constantly like it like for anybody in the future who wants to actually be independent of this

03:24:55.000 problem you have to take the siege economy method you have to operate on the assumption that the

03:25:00.360 the world's elite are going to come down your throat and unless you are already operating on

03:25:05.820 the assumption that you have to stand alone as if you're under siege you're not going to make it

03:25:10.060 uh and so his his proposal for a siege economy which the the news has been using this economy

03:25:15.460 for for russia actually fun fact russia has seemingly been adopting tony ben's siege

03:25:22.280 economic model for how they would endure it and russia did follow his advice they planned it out

03:25:29.040 starting in like 2012 or so

03:25:31.760 they started planning the siege economy

03:25:33.740 and between like 2012 to

03:25:35.920 2020

03:25:37.000 they planned that out

03:25:39.640 and as a result when the world did come

03:25:41.800 down on them you know they're not doing

03:25:43.660 great they seem to be probably

03:25:45.420 stagnant or losing the Ukraine war

03:25:47.460 but they're not collapsing they're not

03:25:49.640 dying you know Russia can survive that

03:25:51.640 that L

03:25:52.480 they probably couldn't survive that L

03:25:55.620 if they were still integrated into the global economy

03:25:57.580 they probably would be fucked right so understand the scale of time and dedication it takes to build

03:26:05.580 a siege economy like if you're like an american living in rural bumblefuck nowhere uh anything

03:26:11.840 you want to do is going to take until your children are grown up right like you can't just

03:26:15.960 walk out one day and say i i want to overthrow the nato empire tough shit you can't you gotta

03:26:20.600 plan it out you're going to come under siege and unless you have the means of providing for your

03:26:24.740 people as an aristocrat you're just going to be in the chopping block don't be a retard that's

03:26:30.900 the reality of it uh so i would say tony ben's siege economic model it it is let's say this much

03:26:37.620 it's well enough written that it's keeping russia alive that there you go that's the way to put it

03:26:44.240 the siege economic model is is sufficient to keep russia from collapsing for now it may not last but

03:26:49.420 for now um yeah i i'm i'm part ukraine the jewish side ukrainian jew i'm like literally

03:26:56.620 everything that the right wing hates but uh no i'm i'm half ukrainian as well and so i everyone's

03:27:02.560 like just all ukrainians should die i'm like uh-huh okay i mean they spit my ancestors spoke

03:27:07.600 they they okay my ancestors didn't speak russian or ukrainian they spoke russia which is a bastardized

03:27:13.720 combination of both uh but anyway like they were russian basically but um so understand i'm speaking

03:27:20.940 from someone who's probably not on the side of russia i can commend russia for taking the long

03:27:26.880 game which appears to be staving off collapse longer game maybe it doesn't work but for now

03:27:34.200 they're not collapsing they're they're stagnant they're they're they're experiencing everything

03:27:39.100 Tony Benn said, you will be poorer. You would have a lower standard. You would find life

03:27:44.520 difficult, but you will not be a colony and you will not collapse. You are simply

03:27:49.080 having hardship. And that's the tactic of the siege economy is accepting a lower standard

03:27:56.260 in exchange for sovereignty that you gradually, slowly, over generations compensate for with

03:28:02.700 domestic investment and efforts. I'll say this much. Tony Benn, he was against the

03:28:08.220 He was against draining the EU.

03:28:10.020 Part of his seizure economy was leaving the EU, which is kind of ironic.

03:28:13.520 He was against a lot of the mismanaged immigration stuff.

03:28:18.640 Again, this guy is a socialist, so don't act like he's your guy.

03:28:22.600 He was a leftist through and through.

03:28:24.580 I mean, I'm kind of leftist, so I'm not anybody's guy on the side.

03:28:28.320 Honestly, that's a trend I see more and more on the distant right these days,

03:28:32.320 more friendly gestures towards that sort of thing.

03:28:36.060 Because the left-right, the left-right

03:28:37.840 dichotomy is dead. It doesn't mean anything

03:28:39.880 anymore. Like, when

03:28:41.760 the quote-unquote left-wing is chopping off

03:28:43.760 kids' dicks, I'll be a right-winger, okay? I don't

03:28:45.780 care. Like, I'll worry about

03:28:47.560 workers' rights, like, after we stop chopping

03:28:49.920 off kids' dicks. How about that?

03:28:51.900 Yeah, exactly.

03:28:55.220 The circles that we run in, like, there's

03:28:57.780 more, I would say, and this might

03:28:59.820 sound like a dig, but I find

03:29:01.980 there's more right-wingers that have a

03:29:03.860 working understanding of what we

03:29:05.800 might call leftist concepts and anarchist concepts frankly than a lot of leftists do um

03:29:11.320 and that like arguably a lot of that nrx curtis yarvin like if you really read into marxist theory

03:29:18.400 you'll find a lot of like leftist marxist stuff in yarvin's writing there's a lot of like new

03:29:23.360 left guys that are kind of smuggling some old ideas i'm not allergic to that you know on our

03:29:27.980 show we've covered a great number of kind of kind of kooky stuff too like george batai and the

03:29:33.460 accursed share and stuff but uh yeah we we don't we're not scared of that shit yeah i mean like i

03:29:38.940 i'm pro-life and that's just about the only right-wing position i'm i'm of like i'm uh i'm

03:29:45.120 pretty much just a pro-life leftist for the most part like i i want workers rights i want unions i

03:29:50.660 want like like things that work and i want babies not to be killed i mean that's just the way it is

03:29:56.660 yeah well and also if you're not locked into a lot of these isms especially these evolving isms

03:30:02.680 and you can kind of explore some of these good ideas

03:30:05.980 from people you might not have expected.

03:30:09.460 I'm of the belief that, I mean, again,

03:30:11.260 like the right-left economy is primarily an import

03:30:15.300 from the French Revolution.

03:30:16.660 And as that era's dynamics collapse

03:30:21.000 in the weird situation we're in,

03:30:25.740 you know, there's going to be new dynamics.

03:30:29.300 Like, you might not have seen it,

03:30:30.900 But I drew this Imperial American Eagle last week or two.

03:30:36.720 Did you see that?

03:30:37.980 I heard people talking about it, actually.

03:30:39.580 I never saw it, though.

03:30:41.280 I'll say it to you.

03:30:42.280 But it's basically like I made the Eagle's left side Celtic flags and right side dramatic flags.

03:30:53.120 And I made the argument the politics of the American future should be dramatic versus Celtic views rather than left wing right wing views.

03:31:00.900 like re-tribalize and re-identify yourself.

03:31:02.680 I like that.

03:31:04.340 That's cool.

03:31:05.840 Yeah.

03:31:06.600 Yeah, like it would be because, A,

03:31:08.440 it grounds your politics into the traditions of a people group.

03:31:12.100 It means that like when you are something,

03:31:14.000 you're calling to a lineage.

03:31:15.820 It's not this like abstract French nonsense

03:31:18.440 that comes out of thin air and can be manipulated however you want.

03:31:21.540 You know, like if the left wing decides tomorrow

03:31:24.060 that suddenly being pro-life is a left wing talking point,

03:31:27.360 the entire left wing will obey it, right?

03:31:28.900 if if it were associated with a specific tribe that would be a lot harder to pull off yeah i've

03:31:35.940 told people like coming down the pike you within the next couple years you are going to see a lot

03:31:41.260 of the left adopt an anti-trans position i don't think the right is prepared for that

03:31:45.580 i think the the anti-trans issue kind of fell in our lap and we're we're frothing at the mouth over

03:31:51.280 it but there's no reason that a shit lib can't say that a we're against this trans madness and

03:31:57.840 we've always been against it the right typically will not be prepared for that you know rhetorical

03:32:03.320 pivot and we'll just be left holding a bag of shit well they claim that's like yeah yeah no

03:32:07.640 they were though they were actually the ones who are all for it i sent you the eagle if you want

03:32:12.240 to make a comment on it but uh i don't know if you can show visuals on it but on the on the stream

03:32:16.380 i'm on the audio end so i don't know if you can even show it but uh i'll find a way to post it

03:32:21.080 i like that anyway i do need to get go this is really cool yeah no i like this image i'm going

03:32:27.040 to start posting on the channel this is cool but we do have to get going and i want to make sure

03:32:31.020 people uh correctly uh if they like the ideas they've heard here if they like anything of the

03:32:36.220 concepts be sure to check out luthnight.substack.com and when you inevitably change it we will update

03:32:44.420 people with that um but but you are uh there are other interviews i've seen you on sometimes you

03:32:49.780 go by cringe walker sometimes with a c sometimes okay where can people find you on telegram

03:32:54.780 i have a art channel called um i think it's just you know the tme whatever the hell format they

03:33:03.240 have for their links it's it's restorationist uh i just do propaganda posters for like a new

03:33:09.680 regime that isn't as cringe as this one uh i'm eventually going to make a telegram for for these

03:33:14.720 kind of like american empire themed images that aren't propaganda but just like aesthetic posting

03:33:19.640 i do have a twitter a twitter restorationist bureau yeah yeah oh shit you make those those

03:33:26.920 are amazing i didn't know that was you yeah yeah that's holy shit these are like my favorite things

03:33:32.120 i've been seeing yeah yeah it was the the truth is that art can help centralize concepts between

03:33:40.380 divergent causes i you know i i'm i'm sometimes anti-pagan but i do try to make the art broad

03:33:47.460 church to allow different sections of the right wing to kind of centralize around common themes

03:33:52.780 there's a quote one of my friends says the left wing has common policy the right wing has common

03:33:58.540 instinct and i think that's something to really think about that's one people know just from even

03:34:02.080 from an ad man um i'm just going to say like this is this we're seeing that likes to ape propaganda

03:34:09.960 and ape themes and stuff but like this to me is somewhat it's just like stone toss level where

03:34:15.780 when people would say stone toss i'm like stone toss is not only a great right-wing comic it is

03:34:20.480 a great comic period i would put that up just the way he it like the idea that you can remove the

03:34:26.540 speech bubbles and know exactly what's going on strip down that much it takes a lot of skill for

03:34:31.040 that similarly like the the not only the imagery being good but the copy i'm seeing on this is some

03:34:37.800 of the like for some guy who's like so inundated with this shit i look at this like damn i wish i

03:34:43.440 thought of that there's not a lot of stuff that makes me think that so kudos to you i think it's

03:34:48.060 good because i'm i'm like it is a lot of it's mostly ai generated but it's not just out of

03:34:52.680 the vacuum i usually start with a sketch that i catered and oriented objects to and then i had

03:34:58.580 the ai finish the style um i'm just theming you and telegram my various links for people that

03:35:04.500 want to see stuff but uh i do have a i recently got reinstated my so 10 years ago i had a twitter

03:35:10.640 account that got i'm not gonna kid i'm not joking it got hijacked by um a bunch of of of uh

03:35:17.880 what's that part of russia that's muslim that that goes crazy every couple of years

03:35:21.900 my my original twitter account from 2011 got hijacked by chechens back in like 2014 and i

03:35:29.720 lost it and recently i got an email like hey your tour account was hacked we're restoring it with

03:35:34.880 elon musk management have fun i'm like what like you've given me this like 10 year old account so

03:35:40.380 i decided to turn it into a an aesthetic posting account it only has like 87 followers right now

03:35:45.060 but i'm going to post a lot of the american aesthetic uh ai posters sometimes the ai posters

03:35:50.680 on the restoration bureau will go there but it's going to be more aesthetic posting about american

03:35:54.380 images uh that's at american realms that's just like at american realms no space for twitter

03:35:59.020 um and then the other you know l templar the the name that you see in the twitter i dm you this

03:36:05.020 stuff on the link side yeah i'm gonna include all this in this in the interview too yeah my twitter

03:36:11.060 account is a-l-e-t-h-e-m-p-l-a-e-r uh you know it might change i changed a lot but anyway that's

03:36:18.680 the basics places to find me other than the luth night sub stack thing um i encourage people to

03:36:23.200 read it it's it's kind of like i mean guys i like writing writing is fun i don't have a speaker's

03:36:28.420 voice i write better than i speak but hey no no i think this has been one of my my top interviews

03:36:33.760 We covered everything I wanted to cover and some new spicy tidbits.

03:36:39.800 We didn't get the space, but that's for next time.

03:36:42.580 Oh, yeah, we got some cool – I'm going to have you back.

03:36:44.540 We got a lot of stuff we didn't get to cover.

03:36:46.460 But everyone, check that out.

03:36:48.240 And once again, thank you so much for taking the time to sit down.

03:37:03.760 Craig.

Blood Satellite - May 20, 2023

The Nuclear Costanza of Solemn Providence [＂signs no wave requires a dying＂]

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