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00:00:00.000 As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to be a

00:00:07.800 Digger in your church

00:00:08.800 Blood Satellite

00:00:18.340 It's been a whirlwind

00:00:20.380 Uh, yeah

00:00:21.220 Yeah, it has

00:00:30.000 you and i both attended an event toronto yeah it was great i spoke at it just did not speak

00:00:39.460 i spoke to people you spoke let me tell you how livid i was you need to picture this you need

00:00:45.420 to see the event space that we were in so imagine tables chairs people stand talking

00:00:52.060 this nigga is posted up in the back corner and i could only describe it as like the mafia boss

00:01:00.560 booth that's the crescent booth sitting square in the center in his white blazer

00:01:07.680 and he did this just to hurt me why else would you do that get your hand off my penis

00:01:14.160 what is the charge eating a succulent chinese fuck you do this i would i'd look i didn't there

00:01:20.500 was nobody there that i knew so i went to the absolute back corner and i went and i wasn't

00:01:25.000 using my real name introducing myself to people i was trying to not talk to people actually so

00:01:29.060 i ended up talking to everybody but that was not the plan i just have i got there you know i'm

00:01:35.100 feeling nervous so i gravitated towards the apex of the room i gravitated towards the power center

00:01:41.680 of the space and then he because he wanted to pour cold water on my big night you went to the

00:01:48.280 power bottom of the space is where he went even now he can't stop himself but anyway i if you

00:01:55.680 want to just give a recap of the night we learned a lot for people who don't know this is company

00:02:00.160 of adventurers hosted it i had helped plan this event i was speaking at it who else was speaking

00:02:05.500 there we had uh fortisax there we had john carter from we all the people we've interviewed on the

00:02:13.960 show before all people we've talked to friends of the show uh wilhelm apologist was one that

00:02:19.460 we have not spoken to before and then there was dave the distributist for headlining the event

00:02:24.400 and then another man named ben fleming who you know helped organize the events and opened up

00:02:30.360 the entire show but damn what an evening and that's a lot of people talking that's a lot of

00:02:37.040 people on a stage telling you that shit's sour it was solid it was like four-ish hours within

00:02:45.740 two intermissions of uh of speeches and talks it was it wasn't just like a a single rally type

00:02:52.700 thing like i'm look i've never done one of these but i was impressed that all of you guys held

00:02:57.660 together that much good shit it was great and you know what's interesting by some miracle there's

00:03:05.060 two miracles of organization that happened that night one that day the distributist somehow tied

00:03:12.320 thematically all of our speeches together because all our speeches pertain to canada and some people

00:03:17.740 talked about covid some people talked about i think in one way or another we all talked about

00:03:22.340 mass migration i think most of us complained about indians for around 20 percent of our fucking

00:03:28.800 speeches i didn't even mean to i actually tried to tamp that down but then also and i don't know

00:03:34.900 how we did this because i went pretty early um every speech got progressively more extreme and

00:03:40.880 violent until right except for dave the distributors but up until john carter's telling

00:03:48.480 us that we should go do crimes and here's how and then wilhelm apologist and there's a great

00:03:54.380 many fans of his work out there and you could find all these speeches uh published in subsect

00:03:58.920 But he was, and I don't think I'm being uncharitable here by saying the message of his speech was Canada should ally with Europe to wage a suicidal war against America.

00:04:12.280 Yeah.

00:04:13.040 Nigga.

00:04:14.780 That is a quote.

00:04:16.260 That is a quote.

00:04:17.200 And then the entire room bursts into applause and laughter.

00:04:22.420 And I'm clapping.

00:04:23.500 I'm laughing.

00:04:23.880 I'm like, this guy, you know what?

00:04:26.060 He's up there.

00:04:27.140 he's a very

00:04:29.520 charming sort of autistic

00:04:31.620 because everyone says, Wilhelm

00:04:33.260 apologies, he's autistic. He's autistic like

00:04:35.220 Sheldon from the Big Bang Theory was.

00:04:37.260 You know what? It's charming. It's not like

00:04:39.280 autistic as in he's beating

00:04:41.420 his head with the

00:04:43.020 wrists of his arms and then

00:04:45.400 repeating the same word. He's not like that.

00:04:47.760 He could carry a room.

00:04:49.420 He could carry a tune. I'm thinking this

00:04:51.260 guy is a comedic genius and everyone says

00:04:53.320 no, he's not joking.

00:04:54.500 he wants he's saying that's what we should do and i said you know what i'm ambivalent i'm i i'm

00:05:01.340 unchanged in the amount i can't laugh we're still gonna laugh it's still funny i'm still in the

00:05:07.660 moment i'm loving it when you say the existence of wife jack is a cia psyop we are going to laugh

00:05:13.680 it i'm not we're we're laughing okay yeah that's what he said we had a panel at the end where all

00:05:19.360 of us in a row and people submitted questions and one of them was of course uh listeners of the show

00:05:25.240 will of course love that someone asked about wife jack and we all rolled our eyes and then

00:05:29.580 launched into like half an hour of discussing wife jack and then he sensibly reasonably after

00:05:36.500 we've all fucking trauma dumped about that fucking thing he says i think it's a cia op mic drop and

00:05:43.200 I'm like, you know what?

00:05:44.060 He's got it figured out.

00:05:47.060 Maybe. 1.00

00:05:49.640 Also, more women than you'd expect. 0.92

00:05:53.160 And not just counting the servers.

00:05:55.200 Speaking of which, I was there very early on helping set up.

00:06:01.380 And I think I messaged you and I said it's become very clear that the staff we have that came with the venue,

00:06:09.560 they don't know what's about to happen.

00:06:11.980 Yeah.

00:06:12.080 i was looking at my speech because my speech i just so i'll get through this at the top you can

00:06:18.680 find transcripts of everyone's speeches on their substacks fortisaxes distributists

00:06:24.420 john carter's and on mine it's called winning was never enough it's on vanguardist journal

00:06:31.100 that's substack.com or vanguardistjournal.com but i was looking at my notes and it dawned on me once

00:06:37.760 i saw these like young females they have like staffed here i'm like oh what what did they go 0.86

00:06:44.260 one of them looked like her eyes are in a permanent state of rolling you know what i mean

00:06:49.060 and i'm like i gotta be looking at that the whole time what i think was i won them over i think i

00:06:56.160 won the blonde girl over i think she liked what i was putting down i saw her i saw her whispering

00:07:01.760 to the barman and rolling her eyes but i also saw her laughing with a lot of like when we would all 0.54

00:07:06.780 start laughing she would actually be laughing along with us so at the very least she found it

00:07:11.420 funny that male bartender he did not like me he did not like anyone i think he might have been

00:07:16.880 the gay bartender and she as a white woman was trying to negotiate the relationship with the gay 0.94

00:07:24.820 man once he left she was allowed to allow her hyperborean femininity to blossom of course

00:07:32.260 she loves the riffs she loves the bits she loves it when i gesticulate like i'm grasping like i'm 0.94

00:07:40.160 clutching the air she loves that shit everyone does she's there for you uh but yeah you were

00:07:45.240 very impressed you'd said i'd love to get your overview of what what transpired because and also

00:07:51.660 let me just set this up um we sold out we not only sold out we sold extra tickets to this event so

00:07:59.560 we're sold out plus so lots of people a lot of good energy um venue was great great part of town

00:08:07.960 there are so many places that you could have gone and the the place that you guys picked was in the

00:08:12.760 annex which is one of the better places in the city for an event like this um because everyone

00:08:17.660 was complaining about like people drove into toronto that i've never drove there i kept hearing

00:08:22.280 brutalist architecture like well you drove it from mississauga right regardless of where you come

00:08:28.460 from you have to pass through the ring and the outer burbs of toronto are absolutely dystopian

00:08:33.260 but yeah downtown toronto there are a ton of different districts which have really cleaned

00:08:38.140 up and are beautiful and the annex on north of bloor has always always always been like you know

00:08:44.320 bond bond traders and and fashion designers where like expensive fucking stores are you go to

00:08:49.720 yorkville it's yeah yeah wonderful but also i mean beyond just expensive it's like okay it's not like

00:08:54.320 there's lamborghini dealers and shit like it's actually where the the brownstones of like wealthy

00:08:59.780 law firms and things like that are so there's a lot of wealthy cultured people that live and work

00:09:06.780 there and have for a hundred years it's one of the only places left in the city that's like that

00:09:11.200 because in the south end in the downtown that's all been wiped out and turned into fucking condos

00:09:15.680 for chinese so yeah it's we probably pretty much i don't think there was a better area to hold that

00:09:20.720 That was like the best place you could have gone.

00:09:22.580 Then the way that the room was laid out, it's essentially a pub, which was nice.

00:09:26.760 You guys had it organized.

00:09:28.080 You started on time.

00:09:29.200 It went a bit long, which I personally am happy about.

00:09:33.400 What I was worried about is it would end too early because I was looking at the thing and they're like, oh, so-and-so is going to talk for 20 minutes, for 30 minutes, for 40 minutes.

00:09:42.040 I'm like, most of these guys have never done speaking before.

00:09:45.080 what are the chances that they're actually a going to actually be able to you know do a 20

00:09:50.240 minute let alone a 40 minute speech and then the other thing is whether it's actually going to be

00:09:54.220 any good because like if you haven't done it in with respect i love you guys but it's tough

00:09:58.700 but all of you fucking knocked it out of the park you you personally i think what yours was the best

00:10:08.080 one by far i think you had that i think you had the energy it's not just about your speech because

00:10:13.060 everybody's speech in terms of the writing was good but you really had a fucking like a bowden

00:10:17.680 energy he was good what i wanted to avoid was what one thing i saw time and time again which

00:10:21.860 was just someone literally just reading the paper at a podium yeah yeah like no one likes that no

00:10:27.820 one wants to see that and to be here no one did that um i was impressed by how even you know dave

00:10:33.500 the distributist who i was such a fucking queer that night because like we ran in and he because

00:10:40.920 we took a break and it went too long then i came right back and i'm in the front row area and i'm

00:10:45.460 just like staring up at him because i've been listening to dave he was one of the first guys

00:10:49.900 yeah like even though i haven't listened to him religiously for quite some time like he

00:10:54.280 he was one like the guys back in the day who was doing videos on this stuff um and so it was like

00:11:01.580 needing a big shot to me and seeing him just speak i'm like this is so fucking cool all these

00:11:07.520 other guys are my friends like everyone else here i'm like there's guys i know i think the plan is

00:11:13.240 and this is my plan for 2025 is to do more of these what shape that takes is what we're discussing

00:11:20.220 right now we're brainstorming a lot of ideas um it was a great event it wasn't a perfect event

00:11:24.960 there's some things we could improve some things we could add to it um so look forward to more of 1.00

00:11:30.660 these in the future one thing you're always trying to do because there are some women at this one 0.99

00:11:36.240 but you're always saying we got to get more 1.00

00:11:38.240 ladies into these things 1.00

00:11:39.840 it's very easy to get guys in suits 1.00

00:11:42.140 it's very easy to get guys

00:11:44.220 in vintage suits

00:11:45.860 you know you look out and you see

00:11:48.200 an ocean of

00:11:50.300 guys that are about the

00:11:52.220 same age except they're wearing like

00:11:53.960 admiral's coats that they got for

00:11:56.000 $15 and shit like that it's like yes that's nice

00:11:58.300 however

00:11:59.080 how can you bring that energy and

00:12:02.080 the fun girls 1.00

00:12:04.120 going woo don't you want

00:12:06.220 that so it's i can't think of a way to do that without adding cocaine do you have any ideas

00:12:14.320 yeah cocaine would be the idea i think i think actually though like i just counter signaling

00:12:23.240 here i don't actually think we should do drugs i think i think beer and uh and and and tobacco

00:12:29.880 is probably more than enough he just wants to do dip you want but i do think yeah i want to do dip

00:12:35.300 I do think, though, that having try to incorporate a few more of those conference type elements, like if there are some way to there's some way to break people out, not even to like activities or something.

00:12:47.820 But say, for example, we're talking about food, right?

00:12:49.860 If there was a time where it's like, OK, over here at this table, we're serving food and we have X and we kind of corral people over and give people an opportunity to break up and kind of talk, which we did to the intermission.

00:13:02.640 we're all grabbing drinks so just more of that because i feel like those were like when the

00:13:07.720 thing ends everybody breaks off and goes and um a lot of people just leave because it's late by

00:13:12.440 then if you had longer intermissions and you like give people enough time like give people 40 minutes

00:13:17.600 or an hour to actually grab a drink maybe get a meal and sit down with some people and talk and

00:13:22.780 then go back for the next speeches that'd be cool we were saying after it would be i mean it's

00:13:28.120 probably more expensive than what you guys spent on the the pub but to have it at some place like

00:13:34.820 a uh like a lodge or like a chalet or something where you had an indoor outdoor space so you had

00:13:41.100 a nice comfortable more residential style indoor space and then a large outdoor space and then you

00:13:46.140 could do dumb shit like that like we're gonna do we're gonna we are gonna do duels in the woods

00:13:51.440 with knives or something to be funny if we just approached a retirement home and then we said look

00:13:58.620 I'm bringing in a hundred guys.

00:14:01.880 You're going to get a hundred guys.

00:14:04.460 And we're going to be there.

00:14:06.720 We're going to give speeches.

00:14:07.740 And we're just going to do a thing here.

00:14:09.960 The Juggernaut is here.

00:14:11.440 100%.

00:14:12.240 The Vanguard is here.

00:14:14.540 100%.

00:14:15.060 The Visionary is here.

00:14:18.160 100%.

00:14:18.640 The Oracle is here.

00:14:21.100 100%.

00:14:21.620 The Yoda is here.

00:14:23.840 100%.

00:14:24.560 The Guru is here.

00:14:25.760 Maybe that's never been done before.

00:14:29.300 Maybe we can do that for free.

00:14:35.300 Just having a lot of boomers around,

00:14:38.560 just woven into the tapestry of this event.

00:14:42.680 Mingling.

00:14:43.980 I tell you what, that's something, that's not nothing.

00:14:46.920 Yeah, it's something.

00:14:48.840 You can do it once.

00:14:50.140 That's always such a bullshit entrepreneur idea.

00:14:52.300 Like, this has never been done before.

00:14:54.600 No one's ever done this before.

00:14:56.780 Let's get to the news.

00:14:58.820 We got some good news.

00:15:01.200 Daniel Penny, who you remember from the man who choked out that black vagabond in the subway.

00:15:09.760 He is free and seemingly unrepentant, which is the best ending to this.

00:15:17.640 Daniel Penny has been found not guilty of criminally negligent homicide.

00:15:22.040 That was the second count.

00:15:23.160 remember the first count the jury could not come to a conclusive decision on a unanimous decision

00:15:28.200 but this one they were unanimous not guilty the jury deliberating for more than 24 hours across

00:15:34.560 five days before finally reaching this verdict daniel penny found not guilty yeah like a lot of

00:15:41.620 times the guys will walk off and there's like i'm so thankful that i've been shown mercy like no he

00:15:46.240 walked out he's like yeah fuck yeah and he goes drinking immediately immediately gets hammered

00:15:51.320 saying i do it again i'm just looking at a headline here from uh yahoo news daniel penny

00:15:55.780 does not regret roland jordan neely's death on new york subway quote i'll take a million people

00:16:01.260 calling me names nice i love it nice um i i do it again yeah i do it i i did nothing wrong i would

00:16:14.020 do it again it will happen again and i will do this again what are you gonna do and he's up there

00:16:22.600 it's like look you can't double jeopardy you can't try me if i do this to another black guy

00:16:28.200 you can't try me for that judge judge please i've already been tried it's like all right

00:16:35.420 you bring it to the judge it was just a particularly stupid judge or it's the same judge

00:16:42.180 taking her glasses off

00:16:44.680 and putting them like,

00:16:45.380 is this Groundhog Day?

00:16:47.880 Am I a time traveler?

00:16:49.760 This again?

00:16:50.280 They start having a fucking mental breakdown.

00:16:54.580 Dismissed.

00:16:55.520 It's the only way to break the cycle of pain.

00:16:59.680 You get nothing!

00:17:01.300 Just a quote from him here.

00:17:02.700 He was threatening to kill people,

00:17:04.920 Penny claimed,

00:17:05.480 in a preview of Fox News interview.

00:17:08.400 I'm not a confrontational person,

00:17:10.840 Penny says.

00:17:12.180 He does have a confrontational aura, though.

00:17:15.060 He does.

00:17:16.140 Yeah.

00:17:16.940 I think that's just a thing you say.

00:17:19.880 It's like saying, hey, I don't start fights, but I'll finish them.

00:17:22.920 He's usually the guy who both starts and finishes fights.

00:17:27.280 Also, I'm just watching black social media respond to this because every image of the victim of Jordan Neely was taken from like 15, 20 years ago.

00:17:41.200 like they're showing him as like a young

00:17:43.640 22 year old dressed with fucking

00:17:45.900 jerry curls dressed as Michael Jackson

00:17:47.460 did you actually see the video of like when he was

00:17:49.840 being choked he's like clearly just

00:17:51.880 a crack addict rapist

00:17:53.460 yeah and that's what I've been saying

00:17:55.980 to people on social media every time

00:17:57.760 a black person

00:17:58.820 I don't just mean a random black person I mean a journalist

00:18:02.040 or a tycoon

00:18:03.880 of some kind because they're all saying the same

00:18:05.880 thing it's like well I guess it's

00:18:07.920 legal to lynch a black man now

00:18:09.820 and i'm just being really constant like oh i'm sorry you lost one of your top

00:18:14.420 fucking crack addict rapists just call him a crack addict rapist all the time that's what he

00:18:20.260 was it's good and because that's that's my my line and i credit trump to giving me this sort

00:18:25.940 of energy which is i you know back in the day you used to like want to argue with these people

00:18:31.720 black people asian people whoever were saying well i guess i guess colonism's okay now i guess

00:18:39.280 we're allowed to lynch black people and just go yep uh-huh pretty much it is it's good and cool

00:18:45.100 i'm we're gonna lynch you we're gonna kill you we're gonna kill you and your whole family and

00:18:48.560 we're gonna deport you after that what yep everything you said is true it's yeah that

00:18:53.220 is white privilege it's white privilege and i have it i can go right now and choke a black man

00:18:58.080 to death in the middle of broad daylight and get away with it what now would it go to cry you're

00:19:02.980 gonna cry gonna fire me because everyone will say look we can admit that this was a tragedy

00:19:08.080 however no no it's not tragedy that guy should have died i'm glad he died i'm glad his family

00:19:12.900 sad i'm everyone who is sad about this i'm happy they're sad fuck that guy fuck that guy for just

00:19:18.980 well he wasn't armed i don't care i don't care if he was praying i don't i don't care if he was

00:19:23.960 praying to jesus christ when it happened it's great he was a piece of shit he was threatening

00:19:28.380 these people in broad daylight well he didn't attack him no you should you should be choked

00:19:32.280 to death for being annoying well for threat for threatening people at the very least you can't

00:19:37.560 just walk around and threaten people that's like i i don't believe at the very least that's at the

00:19:41.960 very middle i think you should be choked out for far less i think you should be choked out if you

00:19:47.140 stink i think you should be choked out if you're if you're walking on with your pants on backwards

00:19:51.640 if you got the stinkers you got you got fucking dirty socks on you know got suspenders but they're

00:19:58.160 off like they're just hanging down there fuck off they parade me around like a goddamn polar bear

00:20:03.100 They say I'm demented and I invented the solar flare

00:20:05.920 Everyone's getting choked

00:20:07.100 I'm looking at the article right now in the Daily Mail

00:20:12.980 So there's a guy named Jamal Bauman

00:20:15.820 And it was the squad's Jamal Bauman launches into furious rant

00:20:19.500 About white people promoting evil after Daniel Penny acquittal

00:20:23.420 So leftist outgoing congressman Jamal Bauman

00:20:27.480 Unleashed a rant against white people on social media Tuesday

00:20:30.740 demanding that they confront their hypocrisy

00:20:33.040 and evil after Daniel Penny got

00:20:34.960 a not guilty verdict.

00:20:37.340 He was sick. He was not

00:20:38.880 a threat. He was subdued.

00:20:40.660 Still not a threat. By the way, the thing

00:20:42.840 that was subduing him was the thing that killed him.

00:20:45.160 You know, you're subdued.

00:20:46.720 That's, I don't know, like, is there a

00:20:48.860 problem with black people being subdued and just

00:20:50.800 dying? This is what they got

00:20:52.940 Chauvin for. We're busting Chauvin

00:20:54.920 out, by the way.

00:20:57.360 He's next.

00:20:58.900 We're getting him out.

00:20:59.860 Free Chauvin

00:21:01.200 I want, get RFK Jr. on this

00:21:04.800 and figure out why black people are just dying

00:21:06.860 when a butterfly flaps its wings at them

00:21:09.880 Yeah, I agree

00:21:12.040 The black health crisis

00:21:14.880 He was mentally ill and they just died

00:21:16.540 Yeah, let's figure that out

00:21:17.760 Dear white people, Balmain wrote in X

00:21:20.040 I still don't know why I feel the need to keep talking to you

00:21:22.720 I don't know why part of me still has hope for you and us

00:21:25.500 Some of you are too far gone

00:21:27.060 but maybe enough of you aren't

00:21:28.520 and will join us in fighting to end white supremacy and to me this is one of those things right i'm

00:21:32.960 just going to agree i'm agreeing with black people in 2025 you know i don't know why i feel the need

00:21:39.980 to keep talking to you yeah you shouldn't you should stop it's crazy it's not worth it you're

00:21:43.960 not getting through to us we're never going to listen to what you're saying please stop talking

00:21:47.880 let's let's let the fighting start you're losing sleep every single black person every single black 1.00

00:21:54.680 person has a receding hairline you don't need this extra stress i've seen black women with the 1.00

00:22:00.700 fucking was it norwood reaper you know like like like fucked up hairlines yeah that's what i see

00:22:07.060 every day you you don't need this you don't need the stress you don't need this anxiety stop talking

00:22:12.660 to us you're right join us and we'll end up fighting white supremacy no i don't want it i

00:22:17.040 don't want to i like being supreme buck status what the sigma uh i got news for you you're a

00:22:22.040 slave again oh that's just mean how about that how about your slave and i don't have anything for

00:22:33.480 you to do i'm recontextualizing what it means to be a slave i'm you're my slave now i own 10 000

00:22:44.980 black people and i don't i don't have anything for you right now so how about you just hang out

00:22:49.720 Yep. You will sit in this office with your key logger open and you will go on Reddit and you will not leave. You will stay here. And when I need something, I will call you.

00:23:02.060 I think it's good. This is a great end to 2024. This is a good ending for the year.

00:23:07.260 a lot of wins speaking of controversial vigilantes should we get in this i've been

00:23:17.040 arguing about this with my own people my people for like two days yes and um this is i guess we

00:23:25.500 can say it's ongoing but not really but i'm talking about i can't even believe this name

00:23:32.580 is real luigi mangioni like like i had to look at this story for three different times before

00:23:41.460 i believed it i'm like okay yeah i get it screen cap yeah it's it's hey louie while luigi shot a

00:23:48.500 fucking guy in the back it turns out it's real these parasites simply had it coming those are

00:23:55.760 the words of the man who's accused of executive of executing rather an insurance executive

00:24:00.280 This morning, we're examining the statements and the manifesto of Luigi Mangione as we're searching for a possible motive.

00:24:08.260 And you may have already seen the free Luigi hashtags and the memes.

00:24:12.000 A criminologist is helping us understand the growing fan club for this accused killer.

00:24:18.520 So this was the, I'm going to call it an assassination.

00:24:23.640 I think that's fair, right?

00:24:24.860 Yeah, it's an assassination, for sure.

00:24:26.520 of uh brian thompson who was uh the ceo of what was it uh an american pharmaceutical company the

00:24:36.060 name it's just called united healthcare which again is like a video game sort of name for

00:24:41.380 something like this but that's just the world we live in a faceless corporation where you could

00:24:46.240 like dump all of the narrative shit onto the ceo and have him die at the end that would be united

00:24:52.100 the guy Robocop or Judge Dredd

00:24:54.900 shoots 30 times in the chest

00:24:57.180 and squibs

00:24:59.560 spray everywhere

00:25:00.200 which is actually what happened

00:25:01.940 this is either the end of the movie or the beginning of the movie

00:25:04.760 if this is the end of the movie it's an 80s movie

00:25:06.760 if it's the beginning of a movie it's an early 2000s movie

00:25:09.840 with Casey Affleck

00:25:12.280 got him

00:25:13.320 so

00:25:15.380 young man

00:25:16.560 shockingly handsome

00:25:19.900 is that fair

00:25:20.880 I've heard people say, it's like, okay, look, he's a good-looking guy,

00:25:26.080 but you just think that he's mid.

00:25:28.460 It's just been that there's been so many dysgenic shooters before.

00:25:31.740 I'm like, this is how women must feel when all of us guys were calling Taylor Swift mid.

00:25:37.980 You know what?

00:25:39.100 Since you brought up Swift, if Luigi is mid, Taylor Swift is below mid.

00:25:45.240 He's easily two points over Taylor Swift.

00:25:48.220 Taylor Swift has a very weird nose.

00:25:49.820 her eyes are too close together and she smiles like an insect so this guy is he this is he the

00:25:56.360 most handsome guy around no is he a good looking guy fuck yeah he is good for him he's you know

00:26:02.160 what he doesn't have mandibles i'll tell you that much where's the mandibles i don't see them

00:26:06.160 exoskeleton uh-uh it's on the inside of this guy so there's so many different takes and narratives

00:26:13.340 that exploded from this event now when i first heard this that there was a ceo that was shot in

00:26:21.000 the back in the middle of the street by a mass and it looked like in a set it looked like from

00:26:26.740 like watchdogs or something it was like a young guy in a hood and a mask looked to be a 3d printed

00:26:31.500 gun with a silencer and i'm like oh this is a cool thing this isn't like he was hacked apart

00:26:37.020 by smallies this is like someone this is clearly a white guy thing and then he went away on a city

00:26:42.680 bike again white guy thing so i'm like okay this is like a political thing and i'd heard that he

00:26:48.140 inscribed words on the shell casings of the gun i thought i just i like this now what was your

00:26:54.620 initial reaction we'll get to where it went from there but your initial reaction when you heard

00:26:58.620 this what did you think my initial reaction was the exact story that is the current story

00:27:05.680 i just didn't i didn't apply any politics to it but when i heard ceo of drug company

00:27:13.480 shot in the street i thought about fucking time and it's like that's very left-coded i'm like no

00:27:20.180 it's not how is that left-coded how is killing people who take advantage of old women and

00:27:26.060 children as a matter of policy and are responsible for the deaths of untold hundreds of thousands

00:27:31.580 How is killing those people a political issue? It's a human issue. We should all praise him regardless of politics. So I didn't care whether it was a mob hit or whether it was an op or whether it was just a disgruntled guy, which I believe it was. I'm just glad it happened. And I hope that we have lots more. I mean, it's like it's an early Christmas gift that Thompson got his head squished.

00:27:54.860 And very quickly, we got the manifesto and we know that on upon the bullet casings that were the words like deny, defund, which was something that they do to individuals when they're trying to deny their claims. Right. And I'd heard people say like, oh, this must be COVID related. Vox Day said that a famous Vox Day incorrect statement.

00:28:20.180 Just this must be COVID.

00:28:21.060 I'm like, I don't think it's COVID.

00:28:22.280 I mean, now?

00:28:23.260 Why now?

00:28:24.320 Like so long after and then also not a vaccine manufacturer.

00:28:29.540 You know what I mean?

00:28:29.900 Like none of it worked.

00:28:30.700 So I'm like, I assumed this has to be just about some someone lost their health coverage

00:28:37.740 or some claim was denied and then they shot the CEO because the CEO is the figurehead

00:28:43.740 of the company.

00:28:44.400 He's not just a ceremonial figurehead, but he's at the top.

00:28:47.580 and then i thought well i kind of thought about you like about time and i wasn't even really

00:28:53.400 endorsing it i'm like well that that makes sense i'm surprised that doesn't happen more yeah i'm

00:28:59.340 like stuff like january 6th if if people if tensions are so high if people believe that

00:29:05.440 the election was stolen like yeah that is what you would do if you believe that and if you've

00:29:09.660 been fucked over by big corporation you lost everything you lost your livelihood whatever

00:29:14.600 it might be yeah i mean i'm i'm surprised this doesn't happen more often truly and right around

00:29:21.100 there came the not conspiracy theories but the theories that he was a fed this was all a fed up

00:29:28.220 to demonize 3d printed weapons or there's a lot of suspicious activity and suspicious behavior

00:29:36.140 that he exhibited um and then i just wanted to break some of that down and where i'm coming from

00:29:40.820 But I also wanted to talk about a post that was made by a friend of mine named Disgrace Propagandist.

00:29:46.500 And he actually made a good point, but I want to build on it first.

00:29:50.280 He went ahead and read Luigi's Manifesto.

00:29:54.460 And he had said he read it, but he also worked in pharma branding for a couple of years.

00:29:59.680 He works in marketing like I do.

00:30:01.060 So he said he's got some insight into that world.

00:30:06.400 And I'm just going to kind of skip ahead and get to the part I want to say here.

00:30:09.020 He said, I'm dubious that what we're seeing with UnitedHealth and Luigi Mangione is the whole story,

00:30:15.620 but I'm more interested in the glaring contradiction at the heart of Luigi's motive.

00:30:20.320 He reveals himself in the manifesto.

00:30:22.940 He blames allopathic medicine for his mother's torture.

00:30:27.400 Allopathic meaning basically Western medicine that treats everything with prescriptions and surgeries

00:30:32.060 versus Eastern medicine, a more holistic, essentially metaphysical approach.

00:30:36.600 He says that his mother was or has horrible chronic pain and that the first doctor said it was psychosomatic.

00:30:43.060 Then another doctor offered expensive $180,000 surgery.

00:30:47.060 Then more doctors offered other treatment programs.

00:30:49.080 Over time, her insurer, which was UnitedHealthcare, began using infuriating bureaucratic tactics, defend, deny, depose, that's what we've written on the bullet casings, to deny her increasingly expensive and ever increasing health claims.

00:31:02.880 um but if his conclusion is that allopathic medicine is to blame it doesn't make sense

00:31:09.000 to hold united healthcare responsible or primarily responsible they also knew what he knew allopathic

00:31:15.100 medicine wasn't actually the answer the first doctor had it right this was a psychosomatic

00:31:19.640 condition more similar to agoraphobia or bbd than a physical condition literally millions of aging

00:31:26.160 single women have this condition or various versions of it so his claim and this i actually

00:31:31.600 check this out this is true like his mother was denied but it is likely that her condition it was

00:31:37.420 just fucking made up in her mind and then what are they supposed to do just honor it so this is why

00:31:43.600 when i was giving my appraisal situation i said you know what it actually doesn't matter

00:31:50.200 his specific reason in this specific case for my feelings doesn't matter not for me because

00:31:57.440 the reason this has legs the reason why there were people gushing about this on social media

00:32:03.100 is because regardless of what his motive was other people have had enough run-ins with health

00:32:09.860 insurance companies that this immediately rang a bell with them you see what i'm saying so it's

00:32:14.420 like his case whatever he that's you know this actually is like the movie joker like the joaquin

00:32:19.680 phoenix joker where he kills some people for completely not selfish but self-defense reasons

00:32:26.640 but then that narrative is that resonates with the wider public and he becomes a folk hero

00:32:32.320 because at the end of the day gotham was still covered in trash the politicians were corrupt

00:32:38.320 that there was a huge wealth disparity and that everything was falling apart everything sucked

00:32:43.060 and there was they were just waiting for a match like that powder keg so the reason he has become

00:32:48.740 the celebrated folk here well there's a couple reasons one is that and this is kind of what i

00:32:53.520 wanted to really this is the heart of what i'm saying is that leftists and anarchists like this

00:32:59.160 because they saw a powerful man get shot and they just don't like powerful men right they don't like

00:33:05.400 ceos all ceos should die okay put that over here that's not what i'm saying then there's some

00:33:11.520 people who like it because a white man died right and some people feel like they need to defend him

00:33:15.840 because a white man died right sure i'm on perhaps more infuriating side which is that

00:33:22.240 I don't really care about his reasons.

00:33:24.520 I don't even think all CEOs should be shot.

00:33:28.060 You know, I actually don't, like in an advanced society,

00:33:30.520 in an advanced corporation, you need a CEO.

00:33:33.420 I'm not anti-CEO.

00:33:34.960 However, I like living in a world where CEOs can get shot.

00:33:41.920 Like, I like that that's on the table

00:33:44.340 because let's consider this.

00:33:47.620 No one forced him to be CEO.

00:33:49.420 When you're a CEO and you become the extremely well-paid, publicly-facing face of the company, you take on certain duties and responsibilities.

00:33:59.700 Yeah.

00:34:00.280 And that's over time we've stripped those duties and those responsibilities away.

00:34:04.840 So that the only duty most CEOs have, and this I believe was echoed by Elon Musk, is that CEOs only exist to maximize profit for shareholders.

00:34:14.720 That didn't always used to be the case.

00:34:16.100 That doesn't need to be the case because maximizing profit for shareholders doesn't need to be short term. Maybe you want to maximize profits in the next 25 years. However, the Milton Friedman's of the world and the open capitalists would say no, you need to maximize profit in the short term. Don't even think beyond quarters.

00:34:32.500 And I just said, I think if CEOs know that they're not untouchable, just like politicians should know, that just like anyone in power should know that they can get got, that changes the conversation on what you think you can get away with or whether or not you think you should behave a little less greedy.

00:34:51.520 And the line that I had said to someone was that, look, we can all agree that the brutality visited upon Marie Antoinette was abhorrent.

00:35:01.260 We say, what a shame.

00:35:03.240 However, what we learned culturally, what we've really internalized and passed on through the generations is maybe you don't say let them eat cake.

00:35:12.520 Maybe that's the limit.

00:35:14.040 And you need to know that that limit has repercussions.

00:35:17.080 Sorry, I cut you off there, I think.

00:35:18.280 I was just going to say, like, I don't want to ping too much on the idea of like, oh, CEOs are bad because they only look after profit.

00:35:24.200 It's correct to say that, you know, they're looking for profit.

00:35:27.240 And that is their job.

00:35:28.080 And profit is good.

00:35:29.460 You know, profit is what drives our economy.

00:35:31.480 So that's okay.

00:35:32.360 But you have to have a normative system where people get what they deserve.

00:35:35.560 And we do have a normative system where people get what they deserve at the bottom level.

00:35:40.280 Right?

00:35:40.440 Like if you and I went and did some dumb shit, we'd get our asses kicked or dead or prison.

00:35:44.160 Like Daniel Penny.

00:35:45.120 like you get what you deserve when you are a raving lunatic on the subway daniel daniel

00:35:49.460 some some dumb nigger did some dumb shit on the subway and he got what he deserved choked the

00:35:54.020 fuck out and dead daniel penny who did the right thing still went to trial for murder and you know

00:36:00.180 what i wouldn't have had it any other way he should have gone to trial for murder it's a good

00:36:04.020 thing he went because you can't have people murdering without a the court afterward ruling

00:36:09.540 on whether or not it was fair but in this case the court was 100 correct they said this man

00:36:14.480 it was not a murder in fact he is a hero and uh thank you they probably should have given him a

00:36:20.280 reward but beyond that i'm glad that it it did go to court and he was uh was acquitted um in the

00:36:27.200 case of all of all these killings again with luigi i hope luigi goes to prison i wish i'm sorry not

00:36:32.420 to prison i hope luigi goes to court i wish we lived in a system where luigi would be acquitted

00:36:37.380 and be given a reward for killing a bad man but we're not there yet but at the very least to be

00:36:45.600 able to live in a normative system where people who do bad things are punished whether legally

00:36:51.520 or extra legally and where that is so common that it changes the calculus it changes your

00:36:57.180 decision making where you say it is my job to make profit and I have to use the tools available

00:37:04.040 and there are limitations. For example, if I try to make profit by robbing a bank, I will go to

00:37:10.100 prison. And likewise, if I try to make profit by scamming old women, their grandsons will cut me

00:37:15.240 to pieces and put me in the river. So I won't do that. And it's why? Well, it's because it's a

00:37:20.080 well-known fact that grandsons love cutting up CEOs and putting them in the river. And that's

00:37:25.060 why CEOs don't do that. But we have a problem in our society. The problem is grandsons have

00:37:30.480 forgotten how to cut up ceos and put them in the river but luigi is teaching us nature is healing

00:37:35.280 yeah and that's why i was going to say i've said this other people before which is that

00:37:38.900 like did this man this ceo deserve to die i said well no not necessarily no one deserves anything

00:37:46.220 i'm just keeping this in the realm of cause and effect and consequence like who it happens to is

00:37:53.980 just a function of that it happens like it sucks maybe maybe i bet he was a great dad okay but

00:38:00.640 you know this fucking thing happened and it it means to society more than what it is it doesn't

00:38:07.780 belong to either of these people anymore however we haven't even discussed luigi you want to know

00:38:14.080 a bit about luigi this is what caused so many problems because they're like well this guy

00:38:18.400 this guy can't exist because everyone thought he was a leftist or an anarchist at the outset right

00:38:24.740 because that's the type of person who would shoot a ceo however uh here's what we found about luigi

00:38:30.380 mangoni he's an avid reader with 295 books listed on goodreads already you know he's an extremist

00:38:37.260 doesn't even matter what he's reading if you have read more than 200 books you're on the list

00:38:41.120 academically he holds both a master's and bachelor's degree in computer science from

00:38:46.240 university of pennsylvania additionally he gained recognition as a valedictorian of his high school

00:38:51.380 his work includes contributions to machine learning and robotics as evidenced by projects

00:38:56.220 on github so this is just a he's not a dumb dumb he's a disciplined guy he's an intelligent guy

00:39:02.420 seems to be a social guy as well they can't pin him with any sort of clear mental illness

00:39:10.220 or any sort of the typical story that you would see which is that he's a desperate loner they

00:39:16.860 can't psychoanalyze this away and that really frustrates them to the point where our side

00:39:21.880 because by all accounts he's closer to our side one of his book reviews here and this all seems

00:39:28.480 to be verified if it's not i apologize or i don't fucking care it's real to me um some of his books

00:39:34.500 are like ted kaczynski you know the unibomber manifesto you know he might have read spengler

00:39:40.540 or something but it's like everyone's like this is who reads them like everyone reads it and

00:39:44.700 everyone on our side has read at least that i've been most people have read that like he's just

00:39:48.320 like he sounds like a guy with a telegram account a lot of the guys i know that i met at that event

00:39:53.980 they're like yeah you're into kind of extreme stuff but you also have a master's degree you

00:39:58.620 also have two bachelor's degrees you also run your own fucking business like and and i had guys

00:40:03.380 on our site saying like this guy this guy doesn't check out something's going on here but here's

00:40:07.020 the thing that most people aren't archetypes if you go into your group chat or your friends list

00:40:15.240 or wherever i can tell you right now everyone i know on a regular basis who i talk to online

00:40:19.720 they're kind of like this guy they've got a mishmash of left and right ideas like is he left

00:40:25.720 is he right what is he like no no one actually is they might tilt more than one way like we'd say

00:40:31.240 were on the right but we've borrowed some ideas from everything and it turns out that's more

00:40:36.640 normal than most people would admit and the more you talk to guys in our space you'll see they have

00:40:41.600 a lot of things that don't line up completely with whatever your perfect ideology is so he's

00:40:47.680 probably more real than people give credit for like he's not unreal he's not a fed and the the

00:40:53.260 theory i was hearing like everyone was lining up all of these incongruities with what he did why

00:41:00.460 it seems suspicious i had one guy a guy i like he was like prater piper he's a gun guy he knows

00:41:07.240 guns right and he was saying like look from the how he was shooting with that pistol at that range

00:41:13.820 and the way he like chambered the bullet or he got stuck or something like he's in the top five

00:41:18.880 percent of gun owners in america and i said like okay i'm not a gun trainer you know like i i'm not

00:41:26.500 a fucking army cadet or anything

00:41:28.400 but I'm like I think just shooting

00:41:30.480 a guy in the back at relatively close range

00:41:32.500 most people can do that I think children do

00:41:34.520 that black children high

00:41:36.480 on crack do that if you

00:41:38.560 ever catch the eye 1.00

00:41:40.460 of a female cop 1.00

00:41:42.640 hope you wore your bulletproof vest 1.00

00:41:44.620 and I've seen videos of that

00:41:46.100 so I just don't subscribe to this idea that

00:41:48.500 what he did was

00:41:50.560 that technically skillful

00:41:52.040 in fact they're like why did he have a silencer

00:41:54.380 exactly he's just

00:41:56.440 a fucking guy he's a guy who read

00:41:58.580 too many books and he played

00:42:00.500 he watched Mr. Robot too much

00:42:02.600 so he got his assassin hoodie

00:42:04.640 on and he got a silencer

00:42:06.740 why did he get a silencer I don't

00:42:08.600 know because it fucking looks cool because that's

00:42:10.620 what you do when you shoot someone in the

00:42:12.560 back probably didn't mean anything but he did it

00:42:14.580 anyway so that's what makes him real to me

00:42:16.680 is they did dumb shit that I

00:42:18.580 probably would do you know

00:42:20.680 like you got you got your fucking

00:42:22.440 assassins get up on didn't

00:42:24.640 instead of having a bunch of loud clothing

00:42:27.660 that you would discard later.

00:42:28.980 That would be smart.

00:42:29.820 It would be smart if you wore a big flannel jacket

00:42:32.920 and fled the scene, then discarded the jacket.

00:42:35.200 What you did instead was you wore the same dark hoodie

00:42:38.920 the whole time, and they eventually caught him.

00:42:41.980 So I guess he's not that good at it, right?

00:42:43.860 I'm just trying to paint a picture

00:42:45.100 that I don't think this was any sort of conspiracy

00:42:49.700 on behalf of the government to orchestrate something,

00:42:53.800 Because I can't tell who benefits from this.

00:42:56.380 Who actually would benefit if this was orchestrated?

00:43:00.020 If they're trying to vilify ghost guns, they already do.

00:43:03.120 They're already fucking legal.

00:43:04.640 Only guys like him would get ghost guns.

00:43:07.920 And that does seem like one of our guys' thing to do.

00:43:11.000 I'm going to get a ghost gun.

00:43:12.320 I'm going to trick it out and shit.

00:43:13.680 Yeah, only white guys do that.

00:43:17.600 That's only a white guy thing to do.

00:43:20.880 And so you're not going to do that.

00:43:23.200 Then what else? Because the fallout of this was everyone in America started celebrating killing CEOs.

00:43:29.480 So I guess if it's an op, then op failed.

00:43:32.980 Unless the op is we want more people killing CEOs, then I guess.

00:43:36.840 But then what's the point of that? You know what I mean?

00:43:38.420 I heard people make that argument.

00:43:40.180 It's like, oh, well, now that they're doing this, they're going to be really hair trigger about anybody who makes any threats.

00:43:45.840 And all those CEOs are going to go into hiding.

00:43:48.020 like to me that's the most ideal kind of acceleration because it's acceleration that

00:43:54.080 doesn't have a lot of tangible negative effects but it does have the effect of

00:44:00.380 making this an open part of the conversation for everybody like hey like we're i guess we're

00:44:05.580 killing executives now like they're telling us that we're doing it it's like the double jeopardy

00:44:10.140 thing like they're acting like we're about to kill them and treating us as if we're all criminals

00:44:14.400 we may as well just fucking do it yeah so also it's like i said the reverberations that this

00:44:21.380 is cast out through the ceo class to the executive class that is what i'm interested in what i want

00:44:27.740 is more ceos thinking oh my god i could be next yeah you could you could also quit or you can

00:44:33.400 change your behavior you can work on yeah like you know what hey here's the thing you were so

00:44:39.480 afraid of of losing you know damaging shareholder value that you bent over backwards for dei and you

00:44:45.960 change your flags rainbow and blah blah blah blah blah why don't you just try that except you do it

00:44:50.880 with like being a good person for once in your fucking life how about you say hey uh you know

00:44:55.700 what we're gonna do we're gonna make a commitment that over the next year we'll increase our

00:45:00.800 approval rate by 10 within our company like the i mean the uh the the the the claims that we

00:45:08.080 approve we'll increase the rate over the next year we commit that we will be the the have the

00:45:13.880 highest approval rate for claims don't shoot me right why do that that'd be cool we won't shoot

00:45:19.300 you if you did that we wouldn't shoot you just i want you to believe what you're saying which is

00:45:24.840 that white men are dangerous yeah right so act accordingly yeah there's a couple other points

00:45:30.720 that people really wanted me to highlight here one is that he appears to be a victim of spinal

00:45:37.540 catastrophism you mean he literally had a spinal injury yeah the spinal injury a lumber spinal

00:45:44.920 fusion that someone would normally get for degenerative disc disease from age 13 it appears

00:45:50.800 like he already began suffering though unconfirmed medically from difficult to treat conditions and

00:45:56.500 poorly understood conditions like restless leg syndrome and lyme disease which he believed led

00:46:02.540 to cognitive decline based on his own words later in january 2022 he describes a back injury that

00:46:11.800 left him with not only genital pain or dysregulated nervous system function and sciatica and back pain

00:46:18.260 but also what he calls this what is it back and hips locking up after the accident and being out

00:46:25.800 of whack since then um and that was one that people were saying when they're looking over the

00:46:30.240 timeline of his events like the very very rough timelines like he he gets into an accident

00:46:36.740 snowboarding and then he gets spinal uh surgery and then they said it's around this time he starts

00:46:42.880 reading all kinds of weird books books about spinal injuries and i said well that's not weird

00:46:48.200 like i can chart this guy's course very logically it's like you get a serious spinal injury as a

00:46:54.200 young man because young men aren't used to getting debilitating illnesses it really changes how you

00:47:00.960 view the world so yeah young man smart guy gets a fucking problem in his spine decides to start

00:47:06.640 reading and researching into spines then comes to the conclusion that the medical industry is fucked

00:47:11.780 like we all do like once we start getting into this we all come to the same conclusion

00:47:16.400 then it's off to the races into other heterodox thought but like that's not a logical that's

00:47:22.060 what everyone in our space fucking did at one time or another and then it just so happens that

00:47:27.580 he read ted kaczynski because it's available and it's easy to get and also ted kaczynski

00:47:33.660 is not radicalizing to me when i read ted kaczynski i wasn't terribly impressed

00:47:38.280 um it's it's really built up to be scarier than it is but like you can let a child read

00:47:45.840 ted kaczynski they're not going to turn violent it's it's conceptually radical but it's not very

00:47:50.420 compelling like he's not a great writer and it's not laid out in a way that he spends half of just

00:47:55.040 complaining about libs and like you've heard this before yeah yeah um also he goes 2022 goes on an

00:48:01.160 ayahuasca retreat so they're saying like oh the drugs drove him crazy and the spine drove him

00:48:05.380 crazy and i'm just saying warning warning incoming irony and this is getting dangerous

00:48:14.520 i just reject the psychoanalytical narrative that he was crazy and he was unhinged i just don't buy

00:48:21.140 it like you can point to the drug the ayahuasca one-shotted his third eye and that drove him

00:48:26.920 crazy like i i just i don't maybe he just wanted to do that it's like the andrew brevick thing like

00:48:32.680 he could only have been insane really like you don't want to talk about the possibility that

00:48:37.320 somebody could genuinely sanely rationalize what andrew brevick did because there are people like

00:48:43.400 how about all of isis how about is every single member of isis insane because that's what they

00:48:48.220 do that's what they're doing in syria right now they're hunting down children and cutting their

00:48:52.120 heads off so are they all crazy or do they just believe in something that you disagree with like

00:48:57.620 that's what i'm saying because when we say insane we we mean someone who's broken from reality and

00:49:03.660 so they're psychologically inconsistent almost random like that like a schizophrenic person is

00:49:08.940 completely random is what we're talking about mean prudentialist with the anti-odipus book but like

00:49:13.880 that's what insanity is but like it's not illogical like with isis i might dislike it i might see them

00:49:21.700 as enemies but it's logically inconsistent with what they believe that they're doing what they're

00:49:27.220 doing similarly if he believes what he believes and he you know like the this extreme action it

00:49:35.020 is a logical extreme but it makes i just i'm surprised it doesn't happen more often with

00:49:40.340 you know people like during the fucking fight like i'm shocked still that during the occupy

00:49:48.240 movement more financial people weren't shot like during the occupy movement when they're actually

00:49:54.060 there i'm like they didn't they really didn't start like attacking like bankers and i thought

00:49:59.360 that might happen it didn't that's that was kind of crazy right yeah yeah for sure it's hard to say

00:50:05.540 like again i'm talking about cause and effect i'm not trying to endorse or say i wish but i'm like

00:50:09.740 it would logically track if that happened and it didn't so we've just accepted that the only

00:50:15.760 logically consistent thing ever is to be docile and tolerant and depressed about everything i'm

00:50:23.100 like i don't accept that either he guess what he was laughing he was smiling he loved what he was

00:50:29.220 doing and he planned it ahead

00:50:31.300 of time and he wrote a manifesto

00:50:33.300 and he told you why he did it.

00:50:35.540 The thing no one

00:50:37.200 wants to admit is that every political assassination

00:50:39.200 is completely logical to them.

00:50:42.260 Yeah.

00:50:43.000 Don't just try and say he's insane or fake.

00:50:45.300 Why is it the first thing we assume?

00:50:47.000 Calling it a political assassination

00:50:48.940 almost precludes

00:50:49.980 insanity.

00:50:52.960 Saying it's political means that they had

00:50:55.160 some rationale

00:50:56.600 and then that kind of puts it on its face

00:50:59.600 that the only reason you're using the word insane

00:51:01.380 is because you disagree with the person's rationale

00:51:03.480 that's all it is

00:51:05.080 I was looking at, someone wrote that

00:51:07.420 the timeline doesn't add up

00:51:08.880 Luigi's last known address was in Hawaii

00:51:11.120 how does he suddenly turn up in NYC?

00:51:13.020 I'm like, a plane?

00:51:17.340 It's like one city where every airline goes

00:51:19.740 it says, use his fake ID to check into a hostel

00:51:22.360 near the crime scene

00:51:23.380 how convenient

00:51:24.360 I'm like, well, yeah, if you planned it, that's what you would do, right?

00:51:28.300 He's like, I know he's going to be here.

00:51:29.340 I want to get something close by.

00:51:30.400 Like, how, hmm, how convenient that he would be where the guy is that he's trying to attack.

00:51:39.540 Where do these fucking people come from, man?

00:51:42.080 Number four, goes from Hawaii to NYC to Pennsylvania in a matter of days.

00:51:48.000 I'm like, yeah, plane.

00:51:49.440 You can do that.

00:51:50.720 You can do that.

00:51:51.220 and what are you implying like you think that he's teleporting or what i'm pretty sure you can

00:51:56.720 drive that if it's a matter of days like how many days five i think you could well maybe not drive

00:52:00.900 from hawaii but you can drive from nyc to pennsylvania in a few days i'm pretty sure um

00:52:07.800 gets caught at mcdonald's after a nationwide manhunt really i'm like yeah he wanted an egg

00:52:13.240 mcmuffin like where you have to you have to it doesn't make sense to go and deliver it's such

00:52:18.700 a low ticket item it only makes sense to go and get it yeah you really thought this through

00:52:25.760 we thought this it's like what i would i if i'm on a man would i go get a fucking submarine

00:52:31.360 sandwich for mr sub yeah i'm not getting a sub delivered it feels like a step down to me in life

00:52:39.620 anyway that's you know i'm looking also at the other take which is that the victim of this crime

00:52:47.140 was the superior man who do we got we got a swore the italian some mediterranean with his

00:52:55.660 olive oil hair and his guinea charm comes in shoots a good white man in the back i'm looking

00:53:01.520 at a profile of him brian thompson went from jewel iowa which is a population of 1200 to leading

00:53:07.940 140 000 employees and overseeing 20 billion dollars of revenue his mom worked as a beautician

00:53:13.740 He played basketball on the trombone, got elected homecoming king.

00:53:17.580 While studying at University of Iowa, he met the woman who had become his wife, with whom he has two kids.

00:53:22.720 By all accounts, he was smart, hardworking, funny, and a thoroughly decent man.

00:53:28.260 And they got his photo there in his performance fleece, of course.

00:53:33.280 High and tight haircut.

00:53:34.740 I'm like, you know, yeah, I agree.

00:53:36.540 He's a model American.

00:53:37.820 But he also oversaw a doubling of claim rejection.

00:53:41.000 And he's primarily responsible for that.

00:53:43.740 So it would have been right if he could have been killed a thousand times over.

00:53:47.820 Actually.

00:53:49.080 Actually.

00:53:49.960 Yeah.

00:53:50.400 Like, what does him playing the fucking trombone have to do?

00:53:53.800 Hitler played the trombone.

00:53:55.300 What do you want?

00:53:56.260 Well, Hitler is a great man, so let's...

00:53:58.180 Fair, fair.

00:54:01.840 Let's not compare this piece of shit to Hitler.

00:54:04.620 Wicked.

00:54:05.280 That's not good.

00:54:06.080 But yeah, really, like, everyone can play soccer.

00:54:09.820 And I mean that.

00:54:10.880 Anyone can play soccer.

00:54:12.060 Anyone can play basketball.

00:54:13.740 just doing it well guys with down syndrome play basketball so fucking spare me that don't put that

00:54:20.120 on the tombstone don't put that on my tombstone i'm gonna fucking crack this planet in half

00:54:26.120 don't do it but also like you said you know his function as the ceo was to reduce claims

00:54:33.260 increase profit for the shareholders like i just want to explain that i remove him from the equation

00:54:40.560 Let's say you live in the Western world, and it's a strange synergy between multinational corporations and corrupt governments and unions and cartels that all kind of do the same thing.

00:54:54.060 These powerful organizations that are doing things to you that, we always say this, there's no political solution.

00:55:02.500 I believe that.

00:55:04.020 And let's use a different type of company.

00:55:05.820 Let's a hypothetical AI company.

00:55:08.380 there's a multi-billion dollar hell a multi-trillion dollar ai company that has through some legalese

00:55:16.440 inherited the sum total of all information that was collected through meta and meta just gathered

00:55:24.040 up all the information it could or maybe it's google or something whatever or the alphabet

00:55:28.760 company and so they are able legally to make an ai construct of you they can make like a tulpa

00:55:35.240 of you and do whatever they want to it and you don't like that you are being cloned against your

00:55:41.640 will so how do you vote against that how do you vote with your wallet against that you know i

00:55:48.540 mean like you're in this society you're experiencing things that are so mind-bendingly terrible that

00:55:56.280 again i'm really trying to tiptoe around this but like maybe shooting the ceo of that company

00:56:02.820 makes sense to to do something because you actually can't do anything else to stop this

00:56:08.400 really fucked up thing from happening that's just one example maybe it's one of these dna companies

00:56:13.380 gets bought out and like your dna that was taken against your will maybe maybe was inherited from

00:56:18.860 the government or something is being used for something like i i don't want my dna used as a

00:56:23.820 bioweapon right what can i do to stop that because i need to stop that i should be allowed to stop

00:56:29.620 that right so now it sounds like you need to think creatively about how you let these people

00:56:35.420 know they can't fucking get away with absolutely that's pretty much my same position and i know

00:56:41.000 it's a frustrating position because everyone wants to figure out if you're just you know if we if we

00:56:47.900 start killing ceos then we won't have anything right like yeah but i just i actually don't think

00:56:53.980 people are just going to start killing ceos i think most ceos don't elicit that sort of response

00:57:00.260 like i don't think vince mc vince mcmahon isn't going to be sniped i really don't think that

00:57:04.280 it's a it's a trade-off right so what we've got on the one hand on this spectrum is infinite profit

00:57:11.280 absolute maximum profit and absolutely no limitations there are no there's no maximum

00:57:16.820 number of children you're allowed to kill you can kill as many kids as you want as long as it's

00:57:21.100 profitable on the other end of it is nobody can ever profit from anything because the minute you

00:57:26.340 take a little bit of profit we catch up so we're currently on one end of the scale we're not going

00:57:32.660 to the other end of the scale we're just sliding a little bit backward right we're just saying that

00:57:37.820 if your profit if a certain type of profit comes at the expense of tens or hundreds of thousands

00:57:43.480 of people's lives we're probably gonna you're probably gonna get shot so that's is that legal

00:57:48.460 that's all she is not all ceos most ceos aren't actually like that sorry probably there's a lot

00:57:53.400 of bank guys that are like that there's probably a lot of lawyers like that probably a lot of people

00:57:57.820 in health and pharma and you know here's another one agriculture there's probably a lot of people

00:58:02.440 that's an even better one like you learn some weird shit about like i'm not even going to talk

00:58:07.840 about covid right forget that let's just talk about agribusiness let's talk about if you learned

00:58:14.460 that the obesity epidemic impacting I think the entire western world because everyone's fat and

00:58:22.080 no one seems to know what to do about it even if they work out even if they die but it's not

00:58:27.160 accidental it's the it's the way that our food system has been intentionally set up and we have

00:58:32.280 the receipts on how this happened over the past few decades and there are a handful of people who

00:58:36.840 are directly consciously intentionally responsible for this and they should all hang they should all

00:58:42.800 hang i'm not going to be the one to do it but i'm saying it's the moral imperative of our

00:58:47.360 civilization that these people should hang publicly and we should celebrate when they do

00:58:51.680 you start getting creative and i tell them all i want them to know is that people are getting

00:58:56.500 creative i would love no one to get shot as long as these people know that they can get shot

00:59:03.400 and act accordingly anyway that's it we've we've been hammering at that for a while should we

00:59:11.020 venture into territory that I think neither of us are totally equipped to discuss, but we should do

00:59:19.400 it anyway? Sure. What the heck is going on in Syria? Bloomberg has learned that Russian President

00:59:27.740 Vladimir Putin is demanding to know why his intelligence service wasn't able to spot the

00:59:32.880 growing threat to Bashar al-Assad's rule until it was too late. Assad fled to Moscow as opposition

00:59:38.140 forces advanced towards damascus sources say russian intelligence agents organized the escape

00:59:44.060 flying assad out of a base in syria before the aircraft's transponder was turned off to avoid

00:59:49.400 being tracked at least we're honest that we have no idea what's going on you know what i saw i saw

00:59:56.760 the meme the assad must go meme but it's just assad saying assad must go and then assad says

01:00:02.680 who must go and then assad looks at him and then assad smiles and it's just him talking to himself

01:00:08.120 that's the end of it that's over that's the only way it could go okay so as as far as i know as

01:00:15.720 the most recent update that i've gotten assad is alive right he is in russia yeah yeah he's in

01:00:24.060 russia which because the first news i had heard that a lot of us had heard was that assad's plane

01:00:30.580 had gone down and anytime someone's plane goes on you're like that was it was shot down by israel

01:00:35.460 whatever he's dead more ludicrously he escaped to russia where presumably he's going to live out

01:00:44.120 his life i'm hearing that he's going to live out his life as a doctor which is wild right yeah so

01:00:51.100 yeah he said and here's a quote a quote says syrian i'm looking at reuters right now syrian

01:00:57.120 president asad of syria and members of the family have arrived in moscow russia has granted them

01:01:01.020 asylum on humanitarian grounds yeah and he's gonna just kind of live there with his uh his family

01:01:07.600 i mean that's a good ending or a bad ending depending on how you look at it but just doesn't

01:01:12.180 matter the end for these guys is usually fucking ripped apart by people's fingernails

01:01:16.140 but so i guess it's good not to see that but uh you had made a good point that you know we are

01:01:23.380 the only ones that admit they're not qualified to talk about this and there's a whole murderer's row

01:01:30.040 of experts on this topic that were blindsided by this so i just want to establish at the top

01:01:35.980 no one knows what they're talking about when it comes to this topic i was i was blown away i did

01:01:41.380 not see this coming i was looking at stuff even like even a few days before um and it did not

01:01:48.440 seem like this was going to happen and i still kind of want to know i heard somebody rumbling

01:01:52.900 that russia for whatever reason had either pulled support or had not supported them as much as they

01:01:59.280 could have but i mean hts and these guys they've been trying to to do this for 10 years and i've

01:02:07.360 never been able to move the line so um i don't know man i don't know i think it was my uh friend

01:02:15.740 thomas 777 who forwarded the theory that russia basically was trying to take him out this is when

01:02:23.580 they thought the plane went down so they thought russia was responsible um i believe that could be

01:02:29.140 proven wrong i think a lot of people were saying that like oh he's betrayed by russia though

01:02:32.440 there's two dueling narratives here that either russia sold him out the reasons for this i'm not

01:02:38.460 sure they haven't been established the second and this is why like a lot of the guys who are

01:02:42.960 who concern themselves with this region um they would say that they up until like you said up

01:02:48.620 until this happened they were convinced Assad was going to win. Over the last 13 years dozens of

01:02:55.840 groups fought against the Assad regime and each other but today there are three main ones who

01:03:01.360 hold territory within Syria. There's the Syrian National Army or SNA which is basically a hodgepodge

01:03:09.000 of different rebel groups that had fought the regime all over Syria but had been displaced

01:03:14.120 to northern Syria in recent years,

01:03:18.180 and they have become this somewhat undisciplined army

01:03:23.300 that is backed by Turkey

01:03:25.240 and unfortunately often has to do Ankara's bidding

01:03:28.780 for that reason rather than face off with the regime.

01:03:32.000 Then there's the Syrian Democratic Forces,

01:03:34.320 another hodgepodge of rebel groups

01:03:35.980 of primarily Kurdish fighters, an ethnic minority.

01:03:39.420 They're backed by the U.S.

01:03:40.620 and often clash with the Turkish-backed SNA.

01:03:43.180 And quite critically, they guard the prisons in the northeast that have ISIS fighters in them.

01:03:50.240 So they're a really critical component to stability as well.

01:03:54.580 And then there's the Hayyit Tahrir al-Sham, or HTS.

01:03:58.340 This is who ultimately led the offensive to capture Damascus.

01:04:02.300 They were originally established as an al-Qaeda affiliate, led by a man who later led ISIS.

01:04:08.040 They broke ties with al-Qaeda in 2016, but are still considered a terrorist organization by the U.S., Turkey, and others.

01:04:16.640 That no one's going to break the lion of Syria, that, you know, the rebels are going to lose.

01:04:22.820 And so he lost with such swiftness.

01:04:26.480 I've seen people who never admit they're wrong start saying that they're wrong.

01:04:30.640 It's like, oh, OK, so like, which is basically how everything happens all the time.

01:04:34.440 Most people can't predict what's going to happen.

01:04:36.620 i don't know why we tried however i think the explanation that made the most sense

01:04:41.640 was that the only way this could have happened with such swiftness is if most likely israel

01:04:49.040 has been poisoning people in his inner circle against him for months maybe years basically

01:04:55.720 you know this is what a coup is we might have time to get to this in a little bit but when we

01:05:01.300 discussed edward lutwak's book on coups coup d'etats he makes a very good point that the final

01:05:08.900 sweep the march onto the palace is completely fluid if it's done right it's almost just like

01:05:16.600 you're assuming control the entire coup up into that point is months sometimes years of getting

01:05:23.900 into decision makers getting into their ears getting into their heads paying them off offering

01:05:29.220 them money uh turning them in whatever way against the center of power or neutralizing opposition

01:05:35.940 so when they had said that oh this thing happened so fast and then it was israel just swarming in

01:05:42.460 and sectioning off syrian land and i mean i hate to imagine what's happening to the syrian christians

01:05:48.580 right now i assume it's nothing good like it's just a fucking bloodbath like to me israel is

01:05:53.700 once again for at least the second time this year just wholesale slaughtering people and just

01:05:59.580 carving off land that it thinks it just wants it deserves. Also criticism from the French

01:06:07.200 government of Israel's decision in the hours after the Assad regime fell in Syria to deploy

01:06:13.040 troops and tanks into a buffer zone between Syria and the Israeli occupied Golan Heights.

01:06:18.760 This is something that many Arab countries have criticised Israel for,

01:06:23.120 arguing that this is opportunism, that it's a land grab by Israel,

01:06:27.300 trying to pursue its own territorial ambitions.

01:06:29.960 But this is the first time we've heard of a European government joining that criticism.

01:06:35.840 Can I get your reaction to these Israeli airstrikes?

01:06:40.100 We've had over 300 now.

01:06:44.120 Our priority is to restore security and services,

01:06:47.260 to revive civilian life in institutions

01:06:49.680 and care for newly liberated cities.

01:06:52.480 There are many urgent parts of day-to-day life to restore.

01:06:55.840 Bakeries, electricity, water, communications.

01:06:58.840 So our priority is to provide those services to the people.

01:07:03.360 I understand it's not your priority,

01:07:06.260 but are you honestly telling me that you have nothing to say

01:07:09.300 about Israel striking 300 sites in this country?

01:07:13.620 have no doubt we want everyone to respect the sovereignty of the new syria this point is very

01:07:22.080 important to us um but the fact that happened at all i'm like well it it sounds to me like

01:07:28.540 israel and the united states corrupted the assad regime enough that they could just they

01:07:34.900 they flipped it and fell over and he had to flee um does that sound about right or what do you

01:07:41.140 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's got to be something. I was going to say the big question is just what happened in the context that it seems like the opposing side, nothing changed on the opposing side. It was still IQ 80 retards and technicals and stolen arms. So it was something within his side changed.

01:08:01.600 either it was like you said it was israel or the u.s pulling some shit or it was russia pulling out

01:08:07.500 or it was israel influencing russia or who knows but it was definitely something it was a you know

01:08:14.700 action behind the lines there i think or not or maybe it wasn't i have no fucking idea

01:08:20.360 well because i i think at some level you also do have to admit that russia did abandon syria that

01:08:29.220 the fact that russia seems to be pulling back and allowing assad to live there but then also not

01:08:34.960 really fighting this fight you know not well did you see i don't know if that's real but did you

01:08:40.440 see that video clip of the russians going in and uh they're driving towards damascus i guess

01:08:46.000 and they were watching the column of thousands of syrian army regulars just dropping their weapons

01:08:54.380 and their uh and their uniforms and then marching towards the turkish border like

01:08:58.820 i mean i i mean i i would have the same feeling being angry at them but then the in the context

01:09:05.320 like maybe the russian those troops don't know what's going on but it seems to at least to them

01:09:10.580 their feelings seem to be we are here supporting you we are the we're fighting this war for you

01:09:16.380 why are you abandoning your post um which is probably what all the americans felt in afghanistan

01:09:22.160 in iraq and that that to me must be what these infantrymen feel every time they have to deal

01:09:29.260 with arab or muslim soldiers it's like oh they they don't even see this as a nation they're

01:09:34.800 just kind of wandering between borders and like they're playing soldier then they just fucking

01:09:39.960 leave like they're not defending anything i'm looking at an article here by in the occidental

01:09:46.360 observer by rury skywalker um titled putin has betrayed and abandoned syria subtitle here is but

01:09:54.200 then so has everyone else as well he's got a few parts here that are interesting he says remember

01:09:58.900 assad got his start in power as a western asset a liberalizer who deliberately adopted policies

01:10:04.660 to weaken his country and their standing in the region one of his early betrayals was the withdrawal

01:10:10.340 from of syria from lebanon before that he helped bush in his war against saddam hussein and the

01:10:15.740 dismantling of the old Ba'athist network in Iraq. Assad also let the CIA set up terrorist training

01:10:21.080 camps in Syria. In no small part, they were interrogating old Arab nationalist officers

01:10:25.680 and trying to get them to turn around these new terrorist groups they were setting up all over

01:10:29.740 the Middle East. Let's talk about the timing of this. Remember, Tulsi Gabbard was in Congress,

01:10:36.560 and she and I collaborated on a lot of these efforts to stop our meddling, the U.S. meddling,

01:10:42.660 in syria and now she's been named as the head of dni well i think that was the signal to the

01:10:50.100 deep state to go in for the kill and get this over with because trump and some of his nominees like

01:10:56.400 tulsi gabbard are signaling that we're not we are not going to carry on the policies of obama and the

01:11:02.780 deep state yeah so basically i just wanted to it's a very very good article i don't know if we have

01:11:08.620 time to go through the whole thing but i just wanted to establish that to even start peeling

01:11:12.820 back the skin on this it really like he says here in the article to understand this you got to go

01:11:18.440 back to the fall of the ottoman empire and and you need to get into the regional politics of these

01:11:26.440 terrorist groups and muslim sex and everything and like the history of assad in the region like

01:11:32.160 like to me the way we understand assad as this sort of like he's like the cool guy in the region

01:11:38.600 fighting back against israel and the west it's like well i mean his relationship with the west

01:11:43.880 is pretty complicated i get the memes i get the oh can't mossad the assad who must go like i'm not

01:11:51.160 anti-assad in any sense but i'm also thinking that you know like was he this great dignified

01:11:57.720 leader he was holding syria together no doubt but you can hold things together and a lot of really

01:12:04.520 poor and treacherous and you know non-ideal ways so i don't know like like was this just destined

01:12:12.680 to happen was this just oh here comes the west to topple this perfect regime that was just

01:12:19.660 trotting along until like we decided we want to take it over for no reason or yeah was he always

01:12:25.620 set up as kind of like a western friendly guy and it's just a fucking disaster and a mess

01:12:29.840 and that disaster in a mess culminated in him fleeing and retiring as a fucking doctor or

01:12:36.440 whatever you know i mean like it's just it's it's kind of like a silly ending to this i think it's

01:12:42.060 just looking at syria in the context of its neighbors kind of makes him look like the straight

01:12:48.480 man but yeah i mean there's if you compare him to to like a normal western nation no it's like

01:12:55.720 endlessly corrupt so like you would need someone like him of course someone like him to bring

01:13:01.860 stability to that region but again his history has always been intertwined with the west anyway

01:13:07.520 so he's not like he's some populist leader that emerged from the people he's not like a gaddafi

01:13:13.720 or something you know i mean so like anyway so i just look at that story i'm like yeah it's

01:13:18.480 that's why people weren't able to predict how this would turn out because it wasn't fitting

01:13:23.240 their ideological narrative

01:13:24.820 that he was like this populist hero

01:13:27.060 and it was only western backed

01:13:29.060 rebels who hated him

01:13:30.220 maybe there were Syrians who didn't like him either

01:13:32.780 and maybe they weren't just

01:13:34.360 western assets

01:13:35.940 because it seems that his own people

01:13:39.000 were able to be gotten to

01:13:40.860 anyway check this out, check out Occidental Observer

01:13:43.400 you can find these articles

01:13:44.780 you know, actually

01:13:47.020 I'll just mention

01:13:47.940 an example of a failed coup

01:13:50.400 just to contrast it

01:13:53.460 Because I do think what we saw in Syria was something like a coup.

01:13:56.580 The failed coup would be what happened in South Korea.

01:13:59.620 Yeah.

01:14:01.020 Next, South Korea's president has been defending his short-lived imposition of martial law last week.

01:14:06.800 In a televised address, President Yoon defiantly declared he would fight to the end.

01:14:14.700 We must prevent the forces and criminal groups that have led to the paralysis of government administration

01:14:20.500 and disorder of the national constitution from taking over the state administration

01:14:25.880 and threatening the future of the Republic of Korea no matter what,

01:14:30.740 I will fight to the end.

01:14:33.800 People who don't know this or forgot about it,

01:14:36.860 the president of South Korea declared martial law banning all political activity.

01:14:42.360 Then the Korean army came and closed off the parliament to prevent MPs from voting on it.

01:14:47.420 um the korean mps actually climbed the fence and made their way into parliament

01:14:51.820 and then voted to overturn the martial law by the president there's a couple reasons why he

01:14:58.360 was declaring martial law or trying to seize the government uh you're saying it was to defend

01:15:04.420 democracy which is a very korean thing to do i don't know about you but when i think of someone

01:15:11.040 who likes democracy and defends democracy i'd imagine a white guy like an englishman

01:15:18.660 right an american or an englishman it actually doesn't compute for me that a korean would would

01:15:25.100 care about democracy or yeah like i don't know i don't know how they do democracy doesn't make

01:15:29.500 sense to me like when i had heard that the south korean government was actually run by a coven of

01:15:36.460 witches that made sense that's a very korean thing to do i don't know why you guys would vote it

01:15:43.200 makes sense you got like witches and tarot cards and all that shit why do you fuck you don't have

01:15:47.120 a parliament you don't know what that is so you know for him to be like oh i'm i'm i'm declaring

01:15:55.020 martial law to defend democracy oh i'm like oh i get you just you're declaring martial law to get

01:15:59.600 what you want but it doesn't make sense that'd be democracy you don't realize that that doesn't

01:16:04.240 make any sense you're a korean guy and then they decided like no we can actually vote against you

01:16:11.920 and i guess he forgot you could do that you forgot you can just vote down a fucking martial law

01:16:18.440 coup thing he's like ah shit they got me they got me again i know they knew they're able to

01:16:24.980 raise their hands and stop me that's an example of abaku because he didn't get anyone on his side

01:16:32.060 he was a guy who just showed up

01:16:34.300 and said I'm stopping the show

01:16:36.420 but to affect

01:16:38.460 something like this to actually accomplish this

01:16:40.260 you need to get a

01:16:42.220 sizable minority on your side

01:16:44.240 and a neutral majority off

01:16:46.420 to the side that's how every coup happens

01:16:48.340 so you can't do it like Mishima

01:16:50.440 did which is like you strut

01:16:52.280 up in your uniform and you raise your

01:16:54.340 voice and you gesticulate with your hands

01:16:56.220 and say I'm in control now it's like no they're gonna

01:16:58.180 laugh at you and they're gonna arrest

01:17:00.260 you like you're gonna fucking die humiliated this is the dumbest thing you do um but you need

01:17:07.400 you need that a foundation you need a groundswell support and you need a lot of guys on your side

01:17:14.820 i think he had the military on his side but apparently he didn't have the military on his

01:17:19.420 side enough to start shooting people which is what you also need you know yeah um and that

01:17:24.920 kind of leads me into this book i want to discuss by uh a cadre new named um it's called for my

01:17:32.400 legionnaires and this is a famous book this is sort of this and the next book are completing

01:17:37.960 our arc on um sort of fascism nationalism and and more more acutely the creation of fascist

01:17:49.800 movements in various countries we've got germany we've got america we have britain and now we look

01:17:55.560 to romania and the rise of very very interesting uh fascist groups three of romania's neighbors

01:18:06.120 began knocking on romania's door for territory the users are hungary and bulgaria all in all

01:18:14.280 Romania lost 33% of its interwar landmass and population. Due to these territorial losses,

01:18:21.640 autocratic King Karel was first to abdicate on the 6th of September. His son, King Mikhail,

01:18:28.520 was in theory the new head of state as a nationalist government was established.

01:18:33.160 On the 23rd of November 1940, Romania officially joined the Axis powers.

01:18:41.000 what was left off romania had to rely on germany to survive in january 1941 the iron guard staged

01:18:50.200 an uprising which was crushed by general ian antonescu what was the iron guard we must first

01:18:57.000 notice that the iron guard was also known as the legion of archangel michael um and and what was

01:19:03.720 interesting is that you know when we talked about my awakening by david duke we talked about mind

01:19:07.800 comp we talked about these other groups every individual went about it a different way

01:19:12.360 mosley went about it a different way than hitler did um and so what we have here in romania it's

01:19:20.920 a student movement like hitler really came to his political awakening truly later in life

01:19:28.520 uh david duke was really raised in it and he went a more political route um and then mosley

01:19:35.640 kind of never even really went a political matter it was more about grandstanding it was like this

01:19:40.200 other thing um it was a populist movement but it's more of a spectacle but i think with um

01:19:47.120 when it comes to this individual he lived from 1899 to 1938 his cornelio zelia codriano

01:19:55.620 let's talk about that champion of the orthodox faith and romania's soul cornelio zelia codriano

01:20:04.780 This was a man who personally assassinated Yasser's chief of police as early as the 1920s, going on to forge a murderous organization, taking out Jews with impunity and conducting assassinations within the political classes, all in the fierce pursuit of safeguarding the essence of the Romanian spirit.

01:20:26.400 he talks about how like his early days in romania and trying to become a political figure

01:20:33.880 right in school and trying to start these student groups and you don't really see that in any of the

01:20:38.680 other books or any of the stories like trying to be a leader while in school and using student

01:20:44.140 groups within universities to create these sort of chapters and and immediately launch into

01:20:50.100 political life rather than coming to it later as an adult or coming to it as almost like a rich

01:20:55.560 outsider or something so i think his story is so interesting for that reason and he's got that

01:21:00.540 quote i mentioned this in the the speech i gave at the toronto event which is that uh and i'm

01:21:08.440 paraphrasing here i'll get to it later on but if i don't it says political organizations are figuring

01:21:13.200 out how to control or direct men and we're trying to figure out how to create men so he was going

01:21:19.740 to the very very bottom like how do i create a legionary how do i create a young man fashion him

01:21:26.320 into something that could hypothetically build a political party or join a militia or be a soldier

01:21:35.180 or you know go into a village and learn how to like fix it and just be like a proper man of

01:21:42.600 action an agent of change and he was realizing that i that that is the only task that makes

01:21:47.840 sense to me as a leader of men is creating men and i think that's an essential part that's missing

01:21:53.520 especially in our milieu right now which is that we're so busy trying to figure out

01:21:58.480 how to allocate our human capital into political movements not realizing that

01:22:03.560 most of these young guys are a mess right they don't they don't know how to work as a team they

01:22:09.560 don't know how to get along they don't have basic discipline um and he's dealing with guys who didn't

01:22:15.600 fight in wars like these were not hardened veterans like maybe hitler was dealing with he

01:22:20.840 was dealing with people who fought in world war one so they were battle ready he was dealing with

01:22:25.020 like young men who were in school and trying to figure out how to marshal them into these figures

01:22:30.540 so i'm like and that's something that we're lacking because we think that our guys are ready to go

01:22:35.720 our guys they just need a they just need a leader they just need to be given direction like no they

01:22:42.020 they need like basic shit they need to be fashioned into men because no one's going to

01:22:46.460 military school anymore people are fucking we're lucky if they don't have crippling addictions most

01:22:52.440 of the time in fact he really said by the way have you heard about this book at all did you

01:22:59.260 ever read this i'm familiar with the guy i wasn't aware that he had written a book so this is

01:23:03.540 interesting to me yeah it's a kind of like a collection of just it's very short or relatively

01:23:09.380 short it's his autobiography but um like most of these his early life is the most illuminating

01:23:16.320 because his father was a nationalist as well and you really get a sense of what it's like to be

01:23:22.400 in romania be in a nation that's kind of seems a lot like canada which is like it's towns and

01:23:27.560 villages and a lot of it's at least at the time was a lot of forests and stuff so you just kind

01:23:33.640 of capture this essence of this like untamed ancient place where it's like dark forests and

01:23:41.840 things and there's people in there like every nation at that time who are just being exposed

01:23:48.580 to communism and communist agitation basically the same thing that's happened to hitler these

01:23:53.480 communists show up and start attacking the church and they start attacking the social institutions

01:23:58.660 and they they need to marshal their forces to repel against that because all these communists

01:24:03.480 just happen to be very well organized and that's what tended to trigger a lot of fascist organization

01:24:09.940 which is like we got to learn how to play this game too because they're just sweeping in and

01:24:15.540 and we're dealing with like peasants and workers who have never experienced anything like this

01:24:20.360 before so i'm just going to set it up he's got a part here talking about his father he says

01:24:25.200 my father a teacher in secondary schools had been a lifetime nationalist fighter my grandfather was

01:24:32.420 a forester likewise my great-grandfather the people of my nation have been from the very

01:24:36.860 beginning in any difficult historical time a people of woods and mountains the notions of

01:24:42.900 military science i was receiving that will make me later judge everything through the prism of this

01:24:47.560 science my father had been recalled into the military for the last two years and left the

01:24:53.840 regiment for the carpathians well one night my mother woke me up and said crying and crossing

01:24:58.900 herself wake up all the bells and the churches are ringing it was august 15th 1916 the feast of

01:25:05.240 saint mary i understood that mobilization had been decreed and at the moment the romanian army

01:25:09.740 had crossed the mountains seized by emotion my whole body trembled three days later i left home

01:25:14.740 to trail my father pushed by my yearning that i too be among the fighters of the front finally

01:25:20.580 following many adventures i reached the regiment in which my father was commanding a company the

01:25:25.860 25th infantry regiment under the command of colonel v purpose q as it was advancing into

01:25:32.640 transylvania you know again this is just me as a lame canadian but i'm like we hear carpathians

01:25:38.740 in transylvania you you just think awesome nice like you're marching into fucking dracula's castle

01:25:45.340 absolutely

01:25:46.040 so he's talking about like he's following his

01:25:49.520 father to the front his father's his life

01:25:51.360 he was one of like 12 kids by the way

01:25:53.640 like

01:25:54.860 so like just that's

01:25:56.880 put to the side maybe he didn't feel like that was

01:25:59.440 important to dwell on but I'm like

01:26:00.980 to me I'm like he's one of like 12 kids

01:26:03.240 and then all of them are just like yeah let's just go

01:26:05.240 fight for Romania let's pick up rifles

01:26:07.220 and go fight in the army

01:26:09.400 it was just

01:26:10.000 I guess you don't see that anymore

01:26:12.520 no of course not

01:26:13.940 and he started young so with that in mind he started getting all his friends to basically

01:26:20.880 train to be malicious he said we decided to acquire weapons and ammunition to maintain

01:26:25.660 total secrecy to engage in retconneering and battle exercises there in the forest and establish

01:26:32.040 a front which we would mask our intentions we easily found this front and we found and we soon

01:26:36.720 brought into being a cultural national association of the students at high school of husi which we

01:26:42.220 named mikhail cognitiva it was approved by the high school principal we then began get-togethers

01:26:49.160 and lectures in town we treated the customary subjects in public while in the woods we simulated

01:26:54.020 battle exercises the peasantry was opposed to this destroying wave of instinct but completely

01:26:59.420 disorganized could not put up a serious resistance so like even at a young age they're like we're

01:27:04.520 secretly training in the woods which again is very very cool and he talks about the he mentions the

01:27:10.520 peasants there, because that's who you're dealing with

01:27:12.600 right now in Romania at the time. A lot of peasants, a lot

01:27:14.580 of people living off the land. These people

01:27:16.400 hadn't been modernized into

01:27:18.580 the citizens we know now. And he says,

01:27:20.300 whoever controls the towns, directly

01:27:22.640 or indirectly, has the political

01:27:24.580 leadership of that country. What

01:27:26.540 is left of the country outside of towns?

01:27:28.740 A crowd of several million peasants

01:27:30.740 lacking humane means of existence,

01:27:33.100 drained and impoverished,

01:27:34.460 culturalists, poisoned by drink,

01:27:36.480 led by the enriched Jews, now become

01:27:38.640 the masters of Romanian towns,

01:27:40.080 or by the romanians who are administrators in name only because they are nothing but serpine

01:27:45.040 executors of jewish plans uh let me just say this forgot to mention this he hates jews

01:27:50.440 no cannot stand jews um maybe i'd say as much as hitler if you're reading mein kopf like he really

01:28:00.020 he lays the corruption of romania squarely at the feet of jews outside any sort of

01:28:07.320 mass migration really like that's not on the topic but what he is concerned of is the

01:28:13.060 corruption of the church and the corruption of the cultural institutions that could one day lead to

01:28:18.080 that he goes into it here he discusses the jews he says the formula numerous clausus passes from

01:28:26.320 mouth to mouth during student battles but not as a saving formula for masses do not issue formulas

01:28:31.560 they point out threats. Numerus Clausus means that the Jewish menace being in its great numbers,

01:28:37.620 we can no longer support them either in schools, in commerce or industry, or in the independent

01:28:42.820 professions. Attention to their great number is what Numerus Clausus means to say. Our land,

01:28:50.220 and by our land he means all of Romania, our land has been a land of invasions, but has never

01:28:54.900 thrown its long history known an invader to reach such formidable numbers as those of the

01:29:01.120 present-day jew the invasions passed over us the present-day invaders never leave they settle down

01:29:07.300 here in our land in most unheard of numbers than ever before and hold on like scabies to this land's

01:29:13.100 body and people in 1829 freedom of commerce was granted and at that same time horizons of a more

01:29:19.120 peaceful life began to appear it was then that their invasion began increasing year over year

01:29:23.840 over our romanian heads especially those of the moldovians draining us of wealth so that's why

01:29:30.200 And his enemy he sees throughout his entire life is the Jews, specifically the Jews who run the newspapers, which are one of his primary enemies.

01:29:40.840 He then goes on to become a lawyer.

01:29:43.180 He studies law.

01:29:43.960 And while he's at university for law, then he continues basically doing what he's doing, starting student groups and getting hooked up with a network of other student groups that are occurring in other universities and schools.

01:29:54.940 and then from there on he he describes constantly running into communists you know

01:30:01.320 every three or four days on the streets of Iasi there were huge communist demonstrations

01:30:08.380 those 10 to 15 000 starved workers maneuvered by the judaic criminal hand from moscow

01:30:14.560 paraded the streets while singing and yelling down with the king

01:30:18.700 he says at the university meetings became impossible no decision could any longer be

01:30:24.760 taken the great majority of students were made up of communists and their sympathizers but they

01:30:29.740 could not take one step forward because our group never over 40 was always present we attacked and

01:30:35.880 did not permit the airing of communist ideas or practices the general strike tried at yasi

01:30:43.440 university when the communist student spiegler was arrested failed after one day because our

01:30:49.040 group occupied the mess hall forbidding strikers entrance into the uh entrance to meals on the

01:30:54.000 grounds that whoever does not work does not eat so he has all these great stories early on of like

01:30:58.580 breaking up strikes you know even union strikes where they factory shut down and so they broke

01:31:05.620 into the factory and started the machines up again themselves right so it wasn't even that they were

01:31:11.720 like anti-unions they're just like we're not going to let whatever the communists are doing

01:31:16.260 we're doing the opposite of you want to march we're going to get in your fucking way we're

01:31:19.540 going to break your strikes and then eventually they just start getting into fights with all

01:31:23.160 these people but he also admits that the what leads the communists to win the hearts and minds

01:31:32.220 of people has to be reckoned with he says here it's not enough to defeat communism we must also

01:31:37.160 fight for the rights of workers they have a right to bread and a fight to honor we must fight against

01:31:42.120 the oligarchic parties creating national workers organizations which can gain their rights within

01:31:47.160 the framework of the state and not against the state we then began organizing the workers into

01:31:52.040 national unions and even a political party the national christian socialism is what they called

01:31:57.640 it he says in romania fascism could only mean the elimination of the dangers threatening the

01:32:04.520 the romanian people namely the room the removal of the jewish threat and the opening of a free

01:32:10.620 way of life and glory to which romanians are entitled to aspire judaism had become master

01:32:16.960 of the world through masonry and in russia through communism mussolini destroyed at home

01:32:21.880 these two judaic heads which threatened death to italy communism and masonry their judaism was

01:32:27.700 eradicated through its two manifestations in our country it will have to be eradicated through what

01:32:32.640 there was jews communists and masons so those are the three enemies they were against

01:32:37.440 now there's a few stories here that i just thought are interesting it's about

01:32:42.260 his engagements with the police because these guys are always being arrested

01:32:47.540 um and there's one story that i love but i kind of got a build to it here he talks about i went

01:32:53.240 to the police prefecture the following day to take some food to those arrested um their

01:32:58.580 iulian saburu was just there being interrogated and he was suspected of being the author of the

01:33:04.240 manifesto their manifesto that was released seeing that i went before the investigator and said saburu

01:33:09.920 is not the author of the manifesto i am um and then they want at the time arrested with something

01:33:15.960 degraded no one among yazans were ever arrested so he just refused to be arrested he was doing

01:33:20.860 like a sovereign citizen thing he said my obstinate refusal to let myself be arrested

01:33:26.020 seemed to be seemed to be for me a foreboding of much suffering to come my way once taken the path

01:33:32.540 which led me inside the cold walls of prisons and we kind of skip ahead here after um they keep

01:33:39.460 getting arrested having runs with the law um they decide to kind of break away from the school and

01:33:44.880 start building up their own organization in the woods um they wanted to uh move to yasi and were

01:33:53.200 build a center of activities

01:33:56.340 they kind of fell in with

01:33:58.480 he says upon leaving prison we were

01:34:00.500 to go to all university centers

01:34:02.580 and share

01:34:03.180 he says here

01:34:06.440 up until now Romanian students

01:34:08.780 had the right to meet in their own university

01:34:10.520 building but we were chased out

01:34:12.040 today we meet in run down barracks in which

01:34:14.600 we get rained on in all cities students

01:34:16.480 receive help in their noble pursuits

01:34:18.520 this is why there's no other solution but to

01:34:20.540 build with our own hands

01:34:22.600 the homes we need. Granted, none

01:34:24.680 of us has built houses or made bricks.

01:34:27.280 A small building

01:34:28.220 contractor with a big heart who owned a house

01:34:30.680 in Ungeni on the Pruth River

01:34:32.680 encouraged me, my dear, saying

01:34:34.580 that he, basically, they said, we need

01:34:36.680 to build our own house. They don't like

01:34:38.580 us here, so let's get our guys together

01:34:40.580 and go build a fucking headquarters in the 1.00

01:34:42.640 woods. They found a guy who owned some

01:34:44.520 land who said, hey, I like you young

01:34:46.620 guys. I'll let you build it over here.

01:34:48.880 And so that's just what they did, and they all just

01:34:50.440 learned how to build he basically said there none of us have laid bricks before but gosh darn it

01:34:56.900 we'll try and then they fucking did i just thought that was kind of inspiring when i'd heard it too

01:35:01.600 he says here here's the last thing about jews before i get onto the story that i liked that

01:35:07.260 this is all culminating too he says as we had no perfect unity jews found factions or leaders whom

01:35:12.820 they could convince masonic fashion namely uh suggesting them all sorts of ideas which had no

01:35:17.920 other purpose but breaking up our unity i now give here advice to all organizations calling

01:35:24.760 their attention to the system commonly used everywhere in order to parry their attack

01:35:29.380 number one never believe a 10 tangitious information no matter where it comes from

01:35:35.640 to immediately report the intrigue attempt to the group in question to the involved persons

01:35:40.860 and the leaders in the way the attack could be repulsed so basically anytime you hear any sort

01:35:46.840 information that could cause division

01:35:48.480 treat it as if it's an attack

01:35:50.680 I think that's an interesting way of looking

01:35:53.020 at it because you know you always want

01:35:54.820 traffic and gossip or you want to get to the truth

01:35:57.060 but it's like

01:35:57.660 you should almost treat anything that makes you

01:36:00.880 dislike a person or dislike your group

01:36:03.020 as an attack

01:36:04.280 and I don't know I just never thought it's interesting

01:36:06.940 I'm not sure I agree with it

01:36:08.620 but it is interesting

01:36:09.940 it's kind of like treating the effect instead of the cause

01:36:12.660 it's like if

01:36:13.360 if there was an explosion in your barracks

01:36:16.820 you can say maybe it was an accident but we're just going to assume we're under attack

01:36:21.660 because it's better safe than sorry yeah so here's the story that i loved from this book so

01:36:28.540 i'm just going to read it but it's basically just where he shoots a guy and gets away with it

01:36:33.360 nice um so he says this being the situation on october 23rd 1924 i presented myself at the

01:36:40.760 courthouse of District 11 of Ayasi as a lawyer together with my colleague to represent the

01:36:47.120 student who was tortured in Mansi. One of their guys was tortured by the police. The prefect

01:36:53.300 showed up with the whole staff in there in the full court session before the lawyers.

01:36:57.580 The Brazilian judge threw himself at us. Under these circumstances, risking everything,

01:37:01.960 about to be crushed by the 20-armed policeman, I pulled out my handgun and fired. I aimed at

01:37:05.980 Whoever came closest, the first of all was Mansu, the second Inspector Kloss,

01:37:10.580 the third a man much less guilty, Kamisaks Hassanou.

01:37:15.240 Holding the gun in my right hand, in which I still had five rounds,

01:37:18.380 I grabbed Victor, a lawyer at Ayasi, by the arm asking him to accompany me to the tribunal.

01:37:25.160 We stepped out and walked through the howling mob of Jews,

01:37:29.520 which had the common sense upon seeing the handgun to step aside.

01:37:32.840 so basically he's just saying he shot in the crowd

01:37:36.140 shot a bunch of people then he got

01:37:38.100 in trouble for that so

01:37:39.380 and he describes being thrown in prison

01:37:42.200 here my knees are constantly frozen

01:37:44.000 I feel the coldness of the cement floor

01:37:46.080 creeping through my bones

01:37:47.380 the hours pass by slowly very slowly

01:37:50.020 I take a few bites at noon and in the

01:37:52.100 evening I cannot eat anymore

01:37:53.600 how long has it been

01:37:55.860 how long have I been here a month two months a year

01:37:58.100 how much a lifetime the rest of my life

01:38:00.420 the date of the

01:38:02.240 trial his trial was set for may 20th the tribunal's president received 19 300 signatures of lawyers

01:38:10.100 wishing to defend me from all over the country two days before the trial trade loads of students

01:38:16.080 began to arrive when we appeared carried on their shoulders everyone stood in acclaim and fluttered

01:38:22.480 their handkerchiefs presiding judge varlin too was seized by the wave of enthusiasm and could not

01:38:27.340 resist the jurors were all at their places this time wearing tricolor lapel pins uh ribbons and

01:38:33.420 swastikas as soon as the verdict of acquittal was read to us i was carried on the shoulders outside

01:38:38.800 where there was over 10 000 people assembled they all fell into a column carrying us on their

01:38:43.260 shoulders so basically not only did he get away with shooting the three people like the entire

01:38:48.540 jury was just on his side and the judge is like yeah not guilty yay it was self-defense though i

01:38:55.280 I mean, good on.

01:38:56.680 Yeah, exactly.

01:38:58.800 And it's like, but again, could you imagine that happening now?

01:39:01.600 We're like, no, it's manslaughter.

01:39:03.280 It's like, no, no, he should have shot the first guy.

01:39:05.920 What about the other two?

01:39:07.260 Whatever.

01:39:09.160 What about the third guy who wasn't involved?

01:39:11.140 Ah, you know, he in the moment.

01:39:14.620 And then he goes into what I find the most fascinating,

01:39:19.320 which is just how he built these organizations and how they function.

01:39:23.380 And that's kind of what I really wanted to focus on.

01:39:25.280 while you know previously setting up the context of romania but he said as it was in the wake of

01:39:31.460 like all these trials that were happening anyone who wished could join our ranks some joined to

01:39:36.320 engage in swindling collecting subscriptions sales or brochures or loans no matter where

01:39:41.760 these characters appear they invariably compromised the movement others who joined as political

01:39:46.160 climbers began fighting and telling on each other each vying for the leadership position

01:39:50.720 or for a seat in parliament others were of good faith but lacked discipline refusing to obey

01:39:56.940 orders from their superiors these people internally haggled over each directive each acting on their

01:40:02.500 own others having again joined our ranks of good faith were simply incapable of integrating into

01:40:07.740 the spirit there are many good individuals possessed of such a moral structure that they

01:40:12.220 just cannot merge into an organization and therefore endanger its very existence from

01:40:17.700 the inside. I think that's important to keep in mind. Some are intriguers by birth. Whatever they

01:40:22.820 join, they destroy by tail bearing. My belief at the time, which I still hold today, was that an

01:40:29.700 organization must not permit whoever wishes to come in, but whoever deserves to join and allow

01:40:35.900 to remain in only those correct, hardworking, disciplined, and faithful. That's what's

01:40:42.340 interesting because he at this time they would have been at an all-time level popularity and so

01:40:47.520 you you're not wanting for young men to throw themselves at you to join your ranks i think that

01:40:53.780 that's important to keep in mind where if you were to start an organization like this

01:40:57.800 the more popular you are the more filters you need because you're actually going to just get

01:41:03.120 grifters and psychopaths and people who even without thinking about it ahead of time will

01:41:08.000 end up just taking apart your organization from within because they have some other personality

01:41:13.020 defect you know he goes on further he says such a movement has to have a great leader not a brilliant

01:41:18.680 doctrinaire who remains oblivious to the waves of movement down below an imposing leader to dominate

01:41:24.580 and control the movement not everyone can fill this function a professional is needed a man

01:41:29.900 possessing of inborn qualities a connoisseur not only principles of organization but also

01:41:34.940 development and fighting. It's not enough to be a renowned university professor to be in command

01:41:40.200 of such a movement. Here is needed a good helmsman, an accomplished skipper, a man to know the law and

01:41:46.220 to be familiar with the secret of such leadership. He continues on here, defeating personal interest

01:41:53.020 is another fundamental virtue of the legionary. This is in total opposition to the politician's

01:41:58.780 position, whose single motive of acting and fighting is his personal interest alone. This

01:42:03.900 is why dear comrades from now on for as long as the legionary life shall exist you ought to know

01:42:09.380 that whatever wherever you shall feel coming on be it the soul of some fighter or be your own soul

01:42:16.500 the snarl of this personal interest the legion has ceased to exist there the legionary ends and

01:42:22.940 the politician begins to show his fangs the legionary movement is based exclusively neither

01:42:28.880 on the principle of authority nor that of liberty it is its foundations rooted in the principle of

01:42:34.920 love in it both authority and freedom have their roots love is the peace between the two principles

01:42:42.280 authority and liberty though 100 men may love each other like brothers it's possible that faced with

01:42:48.300 the need for some action they may each have a different opinion 100 opinions will never win

01:42:53.940 love alone will never make them win. Discipline is needed. In order to win, all of them must adopt

01:42:58.980 a single opinion, that of the one among them who is the most experienced, and that one being the

01:43:05.860 leader. He says, we made use of two strategies. Number one, concentrating all our efforts on the

01:43:13.020 same objective at the same time. Two, stimulating our fighters during the battle by citations and

01:43:19.460 distinctions you will encounter this principle in all our legionary activity is embodies the

01:43:25.060 following advantages these are some things the rapid accomplishment of desired purpose

01:43:29.260 the education of united action and the awakening of consciousness of their own power so

01:43:34.120 basically what he's saying is that i never considered this and i thought a lot about it

01:43:40.700 after i read it which is that if you run an organization like this you almost need to have

01:43:45.500 your own internal system of commendations or medals or badges or something like not only

01:43:53.100 your hierarchy but you need guys to be able to pin something to their shirt to show that they

01:43:59.780 are at a certain level of discipline you know what i mean it doesn't maybe doesn't need to be

01:44:04.560 uniform but i'm reminded of um biker gangs even biker gangs have this where you have your cut

01:44:10.660 you know your leather vest and different gangs do this differently but you'll have patches that

01:44:16.060 are sewn on different combinations like if you kill for it you get this one or that one or

01:44:20.780 tattoos would be another one you're only allowed to get a certain tattoo if you've done a certain

01:44:25.680 thing you know the russian mobs different than like the crypts but they all kind of have this

01:44:30.180 and like it seems obvious to me that even if you're not starting a gang or a cartel but even

01:44:36.060 just a political group you do need some kind of way to provide commendations for people otherwise

01:44:43.140 it seems unfulfilling what do you think about that you think that's necessary

01:44:48.000 yeah yeah i think so and he gives it a bit more of a form here this is what i was referencing

01:44:54.320 in our talk or my talk rather at the event but he says any movement in order to not remain chaotic

01:45:02.640 must be cast into molds of organization the entire legionary system of organization is based on the

01:45:08.700 idea of the nest namely a group varying between three and 13 men under the command of a leader

01:45:15.840 we have no members in the sense of isolated individuals there's only the nest and the

01:45:21.440 individual member is part of a nest the legionary organization is not formed from a number of members

01:45:27.140 but a number of nests um the system has not varied much in its essence um but from the very

01:45:33.260 beginnings of the present day at the time the league was founded there existed a very widespread

01:45:37.900 current of support um and so they had a lot of support in these various villages but he's like

01:45:45.120 i can't just assign leaders to villages i can't like take people from one village and bring them

01:45:50.060 to another so he said um i could not take some man and name him county head for it did not make

01:45:56.200 And he sensed that if he was barely able to organize one small village,

01:46:00.020 then I gave each of them the opportunity to gather around them a group

01:46:03.500 according to his abilities with himself as a leader.

01:46:06.080 This was the nest and that was the leader.

01:46:08.020 It was not I naming him a nest leader.

01:46:10.180 It was his merits that put him there.

01:46:12.780 How did I acquire leaders over large units?

01:46:15.680 I nominated no leader to village at all, district or county.

01:46:19.500 I told them conquer and organize.

01:46:21.060 As much as you can organize, you will be the chief's leader.

01:46:23.620 so like here you have like the a development of a cell structure it wasn't a rigid top-down

01:46:29.960 hierarchy with a dictator issuing edicts there was a grand leader but it was pretty decentralized in

01:46:37.400 how it ran just like you actually see with gangs this is how gangs are run like any any crip if

01:46:44.120 you're black you want to start a chapter of crips you can do that they have crip gangs in canada

01:46:49.240 you kind of just do it and they see well okay do it see if you can make it on your own you're

01:46:55.700 affiliated you're part of the brand but you know you can wear the colors but we're not going to

01:47:01.340 like help you that much and that presents some issues as well because what if the wrong type

01:47:07.800 of person starts running it how do you you know bring the hammer down on them that's something

01:47:13.080 else entirely but this is kind of the best way to sort for leaders instead of like trying to

01:47:19.800 transplant leaders it says in our system thanks to the wide initiative the nest leaders have with

01:47:26.560 prescribed norms and thanks to the obligation of each nest to write as glorious a page as possible

01:47:32.180 with its record as there's no separate members of such uh finally the nest is the best place for one

01:47:37.860 to receive his legionary education this is because men of the same age meet there that's important

01:47:44.520 men of identical comprehensiveness and of like spiritual constitution they're all our friends

01:47:50.740 a man cannot confess his troubles bear his soul before a youngster i think that's important it's

01:47:56.320 like these these these units these nests need to be grown in the community or region that they

01:48:01.660 originate because all these guys know each other and people from the same sort of district or the

01:48:07.240 same village have enough in common that like if you transplanted them to another one they might

01:48:12.840 speak even as a slightly different dialect it doesn't work but he kind of introduces an

01:48:18.980 interesting idea that can you really have that strong of a brotherhood from people from two

01:48:25.240 dissimilar backgrounds now i'm sure a lot of military you know infantry would disagree yes

01:48:30.240 they form brotherhoods with you know people from all over the fucking country but i think it's just

01:48:36.620 easier if you start these things from guys from your neighborhood and again not to call this back

01:48:41.820 this is what gangs and cartels have in common that's why they're so strictly geographically

01:48:46.680 located and he goes further he's like well and this is how you can do the following give free

01:48:52.060 reign to your souls reserve for them a place in the meeting proceed with warmth give everyone the

01:48:57.520 chance to open his heart unload his difficulties anxieties worries about what life has burdened

01:49:03.380 with let them share the joys let your nest be a place of consolation and of sharing joys a nest

01:49:09.500 meeting is successful when a man returns home after unloading there the burns of his soul

01:49:14.600 and is full of faith of his people and that's you know maybe there's some groups now that don't do

01:49:20.160 that like the nest this organization isn't just a place where you learn how to box it's got to be a

01:49:25.980 place where like guy you need to fraternize you got to really like being with these guys

01:49:30.460 and so you need to actually be honest around them

01:49:34.420 instead of just like, oh, let me take a photo

01:49:36.280 with a fucking flag or something, you know.

01:49:38.200 That's all very performative stuff.

01:49:40.780 And then, you know, I know we got to get going soon,

01:49:42.560 but over the course of the book,

01:49:43.780 it tracks his very impressive rise into politics

01:49:47.760 because not only does he form these groups,

01:49:49.780 eventually they coalesce into a movement,

01:49:52.200 they begin interfacing with the public.

01:49:54.580 He says here, more than two years have passed

01:49:56.540 since the Legion came into being.

01:49:58.600 Arnest multiplied all over the country.

01:50:00.460 The need was now felt to strengthen the movement by contacting the masses at large so people were aware of them. They began running for politics. They got members of parliament elected. He was elected to parliament at one point. He didn't have the best time while in parliament, but they were there. They were legitimized.

01:50:20.500 And so not only were they out in the streets fighting the fucking communists, they were voted into parliament.

01:50:26.320 They seemed to have pretty wide support.

01:50:29.420 Again, it's staggering to even imagine that occurring now, but they were a strong populist force.

01:50:38.820 He says here, 20 days after the elections, I learned that a seat in parliament had been declared vacant in the county of Neemt.

01:50:45.200 After I looked over the situation, I decided to enter the battle.

01:50:47.960 but you know he really had ups and downs

01:50:50.360 throughout his entire life

01:50:51.240 it wasn't just one group he started

01:50:54.080 he kept forming these groups that

01:50:56.200 collapsed and then he'd go away

01:50:58.740 and come back and start

01:51:00.500 another one and they collapsed and there's all these

01:51:02.320 internal rivalries with his mentors

01:51:04.640 so it wasn't

01:51:06.380 a clean ascent

01:51:08.580 like there's times in his life

01:51:10.580 where he was dirt poor

01:51:11.940 him and his wife, him and his children

01:51:14.320 they had to live in a fucking shack

01:51:16.020 and he had no way to make money and they just he kept trying to hammer away at this thing and

01:51:20.920 you know so i thought that was very inspiring that he included that because that's missing from

01:51:27.760 stories like mosley's or others where it's like he he was really up against it for a long time

01:51:33.860 like he was it's almost like he was trying to start a business and he's asking very practical

01:51:37.840 questions of where the fuck is money coming from i don't have money and we we can't support these

01:51:43.280 guys and so but eventually he did eventually they kept just waging this sort of guerrilla

01:51:49.100 political war and he did get elected um but eventually he was just killed um and it's really

01:51:56.420 tragic like the ending of this book i'll just read it as it was written um and it says this

01:52:02.900 and then the book just fucking ends it basically accounts how he was arrested his men were also

01:52:09.160 arrested and they were just like killed execution style by by the guards because by this point you

01:52:15.520 know the the government hated him hated what they were just a problem and so they just killed him

01:52:21.420 it says and it's told from the perspective of one of the guards so this isn't written by a

01:52:28.100 card at all says arrived at the prison all of us went into one of the cells where majors

01:52:33.300 Denis Glu and Mosconvu instructed us

01:52:36.560 as to how we were to execrate the legionnaires

01:52:38.740 placing the driver of our van in a kneeling position

01:52:42.580 they threw a rope over his neck from behind

01:52:45.200 showing us how easily one could thus be executed

01:52:48.180 everything was over in a few minutes

01:52:50.260 then the gendarmes stepped out one by one

01:52:53.620 in the prison yard and each received a legionary in custody

01:52:56.460 I got one who was stronger and taller than the others

01:52:59.540 I learned later this was the captain

01:53:01.720 Cornelius Zela Codronu.

01:53:03.620 The captain turned his head slightly towards me

01:53:06.020 and whispered, comrade, permit me

01:53:08.140 to talk to my comrades. But at that

01:53:10.060 very moment, even before

01:53:11.560 he had finished his plea, the

01:53:13.940 major stepped onto the van's running board

01:53:16.040 and stepping inside, revolver hand, rasped

01:53:18.120 out to execute, pulled out the van's

01:53:20.300 corpses, um, and

01:53:22.180 of the legionaries were laid out on the ground

01:53:24.060 face down and shot in the back to thus simulate

01:53:26.220 being shot while trying to escape.

01:53:28.740 So that's how it all ends. Like, after

01:53:30.220 everything after this this fucking hard-fought fight you just they just get shot in the back

01:53:36.360 by like prison guards because they were told to and then the book just ends and it's really

01:53:42.080 really fucking tragic and he to me he lived this really impressive life and it was a true fight

01:53:49.560 like when they were waging war against the communists in the streets and you know it didn't

01:53:55.920 sound like he had patrons because sometimes you have these revolutionaries who have patrons and

01:54:01.240 they just find money falls in their lap or they they turn to crime sometimes they have to turn

01:54:07.020 to crime to fund it but it's like he was just trying to do it the right way it sounded like

01:54:11.120 the entire time which is just we need to get money to create this populist movement and and he did

01:54:18.080 it he actually fucking did it which and from an early age like this was his entire life was

01:54:23.060 figuring out how to take young men and fashion them into soldiers with outside of the military

01:54:30.460 there this and to me like that's a noble endeavor and then not coming out like you're going to be a

01:54:37.760 cool tough badass it's like no what we're doing is providing a space for men to create brotherhood

01:54:44.520 and fighting is part of that but it's all in the interest of building this something else and he

01:54:50.840 never he always kept that in sight he kept in sight that yes we're making men to launch them

01:54:57.180 into something else to become politicians to become you know the leaders of these villages

01:55:02.040 it's so it wasn't preparing them for a war you understand like it wasn't like i'm gonna train

01:55:07.420 these guys for when you know hitler shows up and then we're gonna join the hitler army and we're

01:55:12.380 gonna take out the communist now he's like no we're gonna fight them right now because our war

01:55:16.940 happening right now but also i'm gonna we're gonna figure out how to live like men and that

01:55:23.460 the the duality of that i think is what's missing with a lot of people even now and i'd say that

01:55:29.840 across the political spectrum is you're training for a war to happen tomorrow and you're completely

01:55:34.360 removing that aspect where to create men you need a space where they could actually be brothers and

01:55:41.160 not just nodes of, you know, some kind of fandom of ultraviolence.

01:55:47.500 Anyway, I really like this book and I would recommend it.

01:55:51.120 And I had it on my list for so long, for years, this was recommended to me.

01:55:55.160 It just kept getting pushed back and pushed back.

01:55:57.520 But I really like this one.

01:55:59.120 I would recommend it to people.

01:56:00.080 And I think it gives insight into this, how to create this sort of group and this sort

01:56:06.720 of fascist struggle that's very very different from any other any of the other ones we've covered

01:56:12.420 and yes it is a product of its time yes of course you can't just replicate it now but just removing

01:56:18.920 all that removing all the historical context there is something you know truly useful here

01:56:26.140 about how to you know create men basically anyway yeah so what do you think about that you think

01:56:33.080 that sounds good? That was a really interesting one

01:56:35.060 actually. Yeah, I recommend people

01:56:37.080 read it. It's not the most difficult thing to

01:56:39.080 read. It's really like a collection

01:56:41.140 of essays and speeches too.

01:56:42.740 It jumps around in time a lot, but

01:56:44.660 it's written in his words and the translation is pretty good.

01:56:47.080 Anyway, I know we've got to get going, so I'll let

01:56:49.140 you go. Thank you again for taking the

01:56:51.060 time. Yeah, thanks man. Good one.

01:56:55.280 Hey baby, I hear the blues

01:56:56.880 that call in top salads and 0.99

01:56:58.840 scrambled eggs.

01:57:00.200 and maybe i seem a bit confused yeah maybe but i got you all right here we are i'm very excited

01:57:11.000 for this episode i love speaking to people whose you know sub stacks or articles i read

01:57:16.780 regularly just for fun it ain't for homework i'm here with uh gordon mcgill who refuses

01:57:23.740 is to be described as the great and popular he's a humble guy but uh for my money he's one of the

01:57:32.180 best writing on the topics that we're going to discuss um so first of all thank you so much

01:57:37.700 gord for taking the time to speak with me tonight no cheers man i'll usually speak with anyone and

01:57:44.140 i appreciate the invite and everyone can see your sub stack down there autonomous truckers

01:57:50.020 dot substack.com that's going to be the uh launching point for a few of the topics we're

01:57:56.080 going to be discussing today and they're going to be topics that have been familiar to uh listeners

01:58:01.420 of the show in the past specifically the trucker protests which we've never shut up about you know

01:58:07.100 a lot of people forget that happened but there's still very serious ramifications for that up here

01:58:12.000 in canada but i just kind of wanted to set the stage for people who don't know you like your

01:58:17.340 specialty really is trucking and you've your entire professional life you've been a trucker

01:58:24.140 not only in canada but also i believe in europe and new zealand and elsewhere and if you could

01:58:30.480 speak to that a little bit and um kind of just your whole story with trucking sure um i've been

01:58:37.820 to europe but not in a trucking capacity um yeah so my dad's a trucker both my uncles my grandpa

01:58:45.240 my grandfather landed a sherman tank on the beaches of normandy and upon returning home

01:58:53.700 from world war ii being mechanically adept and good with diesel engines he ended up eventually

01:59:00.460 at a trucking company near hamilton and drove trucks fixed trucks and then my whole family

01:59:05.460 was involved in it and i just osmosis i guess i i have a little bit of a wandering spirit

01:59:13.920 I like going places I like to travel so I got into trucking I've been doing it since I was a

01:59:19.460 teenager I drove around Hamilton Ontario at night without a license hauling steel coils

01:59:24.480 when I was still in high school um uh I took advantage of some temporary work visa programs

01:59:32.580 to go to Australia and New Zealand did a bunch of traveling and trucking down there when I was

01:59:37.980 younger and uh yeah just kept kept at it it's been very good to me and since uh i i've recently

01:59:48.660 i got married 13 11 years ago got a couple of kids i've slowed down with the truck and stuff

01:59:55.780 recently but um there's a lot of problems in the trucking industry and i've just i was encouraged

02:00:02.500 to write about them and i just started doing it and it seems to have turned into this thing and

02:00:09.780 i've ended up writing for like the american conservative and newsweek and a couple like

02:00:16.280 policy wonk joints and i don't know i just it just kind of snowballed uh i guess there's not

02:00:23.220 tons of people on the trucking side of things writing about it uh with the sort of legitimate

02:00:29.600 perspective and then i started a podcast on the encouragement of a bunch of my friends who wanted

02:00:37.040 me to like tell stories and then i ended up using the podcast as an excuse to speak with academics

02:00:47.920 who've studied the trucking industry and so i'd end up reading their books reading their papers

02:00:54.000 comparing that to my own experience in the business and i just sort of started like i hate

02:01:00.760 to use this term but like sort of translating it for my friends and kind of like you know

02:01:07.080 just just just trying to make the connections between what we see on the ground and what

02:01:13.160 academics see through their studies and like economists and whatnot and these are people

02:01:18.580 kind of discussing trade flows and things like that right like i was wondering what what would

02:01:23.280 truck trucking academic uh what would they write about um yeah uh the all kinds of stuff it turns

02:01:31.240 out that the the the academic field of endeavor who i've encountered the most to write about

02:01:38.780 truckers have been sociologists um well i should i shouldn't say that two sociologists and two

02:01:45.860 economists right the two economist guys i've speaking with i've spoken with and read their

02:01:51.720 work uh were former truckers that got into the academy and then stayed and then the sociologists

02:01:58.500 were investigating other questions um the most recent one and i think um has the most bearing

02:02:06.720 on the rest of society today um this lady at cornell not far from where i live she wrote this

02:02:14.880 book called uh data driven truckers technology and the new work surveillance and she did a real

02:02:22.560 deep dive into the imposition of surveillance technology on truckers and what that had to say

02:02:29.240 about the imposition of this technology and the sort of trends behind it on other parts of the

02:02:35.980 workforce and her book was utterly fascinating i read it like three times i was commissioned to

02:02:43.140 write this like crazy long review of it by this place called american affairs journal

02:02:47.340 and i interviewed her for my podcast we went out for beers it was really good but like her book

02:02:53.340 if if you if like people are concerned about the surveillance state and how that affects regular

02:02:59.640 working people they should go read that book yeah well i was gonna say could you summarize one of

02:03:04.140 her points because i remember there was that big um strike from the longshoremen's union and one

02:03:10.040 of the points of contention uh the dock workers in the longshoremen have was um all the surveillance

02:03:15.400 cameras on the docks and there was all kinds of new surveillance i was proposed but they

02:03:19.440 wanted to walk a lot of that stuff back and i was wondering in your opinion um what sort of

02:03:25.180 surveillance are uh truckers generally dealing with for those who had known nothing about this

02:03:30.500 like me and then uh what sort of effect would you say it has on you everyone's familiar with like

02:03:37.800 gps technology and the sort of first commercial scale and position on that of that was um in the

02:03:47.480 trucking business in the late 80s and early 90s um there's this company called qualcomm who offered

02:03:54.040 this sort of package uh as a like a communications tool so you would have this little little pod on

02:04:00.520 top of the cab of your truck and this little mini quasi laptop computer and it was just amazing

02:04:08.120 mainly for information sharing between dispatch the driver sending load information directions

02:04:15.480 and then the the earlier versions of it would basically be able to track where the truck was

02:04:20.200 whether or not it was turned on or off it's pretty simple back then but it has soon

02:04:24.840 evolved into this thing that can tell every single uh item of what the truck is doing

02:04:33.200 shifting patterns fuel consumption rpms engine temperature can tell you all the engine diagnostic

02:04:40.060 stuff via satellite it tracks every it can track you to within like feet like where you are

02:04:46.780 And the American government in 2017 imposed this mandate on companies to use this technology to track their hours of service, which fundamentally changed how the trucking industry operated.

02:05:04.140 because for so long we relied on the ability to um massage the numbers with paper logbooks just

02:05:15.040 because like the business it's just like weather bad customers there's too many vagaries and the

02:05:21.680 government it's like every industry no one is completely truthful i work in marketing that's

02:05:25.740 my background and there's not an honest number to be found in the entire industry so well that's

02:05:31.660 because reality is what it is and we try and compartmentalize things and say you should be

02:05:36.640 able to do this amount of work in this amount of time and get from here to there but reality don't

02:05:41.980 always work that way and you need to have options and flexibility and what the surveillance

02:05:49.360 technology has done has removed that because everybody is under the eye of sauron and the

02:05:55.740 Other people on the backside of the Palantir, for the most part, are like spreadsheet brain dorks that only tick boxes and don't understand life, right?

02:06:08.340 You think they're doing this to chase out a certain type of driver that they don't like anymore and bring in a new type?

02:06:16.420 That's kind of used to this sort of thing?

02:06:19.780 That's a theory.

02:06:20.740 um i'm warm to it but i don't i can't say that that's like the explicit uh purpose behind this

02:06:28.760 stuff but it certainly fits all right um i'm gonna pepper in a bunch of just what might sound like

02:06:35.460 very stupid basic questions from someone who's never uh been a drugger but i've and we talked

02:06:41.400 about this just before we started i live in ontario um and like you said you were born just

02:06:47.260 on hamilton and so it's very rare that we speak to people on the show who are actually from

02:06:51.460 ontario they're west coast or they're alberta or wherever else um so we kind of know the exact

02:06:56.580 same stretch of highways so i'm going to give you a scenario and you tell me if i'm crazy or what's

02:07:03.860 really going on so if you're driving on the 401 oftentimes it's like three lanes sometimes it

02:07:11.300 narrows down to two for a big long stretch and then you'll have the drivers the truck drivers

02:07:18.940 they usually stick to the right hand side lane and then you got the passing lane on the left

02:07:22.380 but occasionally one will try and overtake the other but they will just sit side by side and

02:07:28.380 maintain the exact same speed for like sometimes 15 to 20 minutes and i'm like that's on purpose

02:07:35.660 i don't know why a am i is that what's happening and b what is the reason what let me explain

02:07:43.560 so in 2000 and i can't remember what year it was in the 2000s somewhere between

02:07:52.160 mid 2000s in 2009 the ontario ministry of transportation and uh their

02:08:00.540 an analogous bureaucracy in quebec decided to impose what are called mandatory speed limiters

02:08:09.660 so the government said any commercial vehicle over a certain weight and size must have the

02:08:18.620 electronic control module on their diesel engine restricted to only allowing the truck to doing

02:08:25.740 105 kilometers an hour that's it so most trucking companies that don't want to like run afoul of the

02:08:33.620 mto or less you're at to quebec or whatever or transport roadiers whatever the hell they're

02:08:38.260 called over there um they they complied but the problem with that is that like yes

02:08:44.540 um the what affects how fast the truck is going can be its weight uh tire wear the engine might

02:08:55.000 be set a little bit slightly different than the next guy so eventually you'll see two of these

02:09:00.320 like slow ass trucks and one slowly slowly slowly catches up to the other goes to pass that guy

02:09:05.720 but it takes forever and like there's the problem is courtesy right so if the the gentleman in the

02:09:15.420 right lane is paying attention they should just be like okay look this guy's been like creeping up

02:09:20.280 on me for 10 minutes i should just back out of it and let the guy pass me and then we'll just

02:09:24.760 carry on but the problem is is a lot of people don't do that they're just like zoned out don't

02:09:30.760 care um oftentimes you know one of my big bugaboos i complain about with the trucking business is

02:09:37.360 that they've like swept all kinds of people into the industry who shouldn't be there and don't have

02:09:42.340 that level of professionalism so you have these situations on the 401 and other highways in north

02:09:48.660 america where it's called in europe they call it elephant racing where like two trucks go and one

02:09:54.940 tries to pass the other one and i you know they're just being retards that's all there is

02:09:59.820 because i did in my mind i just started concocting my own explanation and i'm like you know what

02:10:05.340 they're doing they're coordinating this because there's a speed trap up there and you know i'm

02:10:10.360 driving at night so everyone's like ripping by 130 140 kilometers an hour so i'm like maybe they're

02:10:16.180 actually try to save us and communicate with us so it's probably not that probably not not today

02:10:22.760 maybe back in the old days but not today so um we'll get to one comment you made just there in

02:10:29.260 just a second about a new crop of people being swept in but i am curious in your experience

02:10:35.860 again from the outside you look at truckers like the this is a brotherhood i see so many of them

02:10:41.660 on the road but they probably they're chatting with each other they got their own podcasts on

02:10:45.980 the cb probably but how often do you see like drivers doing what you just said like maybe

02:10:52.620 feuding with each other elephant racing do you get a lot of drivers who just like don't like

02:10:58.040 each other or there's conflicts on the road i mean it's like any other social group um but yeah the

02:11:05.640 the lack of cooperation amongst certain of these guys as it is rampant and it speaks to the um

02:11:17.220 sort of atomization and uh fracturing of the industry and again you know you sort of alluded

02:11:25.240 to this sort of like bygone era when guys would you know try and cooperate talk to each other on

02:11:32.240 cb everybody mostly got along but um as society so trucking so we have you know a lot of people

02:11:40.160 sort of in dissident spheres who i'm assuming are some of your audience talk about like you know

02:11:45.280 high trust versus low trust societies and in the same way that north america has gone from being

02:11:52.240 a much higher trust society to being a lower trust one that's reflected in trucking there's all kinds

02:11:58.480 of people in the business who you know they're there because it's a job they're not there because

02:12:03.760 it's an identity or it's a culture right yeah i'll just let me call attention to one uh comment we

02:12:10.640 got here from procrustus the clown says gourd's the only trucker i've seen who didn't get fat

02:12:16.320 uh that that person cannot see my uh little tiny beer punch i've developed over the last year or so

02:12:24.160 i'm like you know i work out like over here in the other corner of the basement i've got a squat

02:12:30.860 rack and a bench and you know i try and lift weights and i ride my bike and i try and eat

02:12:36.540 mostly right i go through periods of you know good times and bad times drinking more than i

02:12:43.020 ought to and i'm in one of those right now um but like you know i i grew up around truck drivers

02:12:50.360 And I sort of saw all this and I was fairly athletic when I was in high school.

02:12:54.680 I played football and volleyball and basketball and ran track.

02:12:58.360 And I always said to myself, I did not want to sacrifice my health for the job.

02:13:04.880 So I've done what I can to like remain somewhat trim.

02:13:09.900 I got a question for you because you mentioned previously that, you know, you grew up in trucking and that's a big part of your identity.

02:13:16.820 is that something you think young men could experience now and furthermore is this still

02:13:23.560 an industry that you think young guys should get into it can be and i think my project here

02:13:30.820 is to um i i want the sort of vestigial remains of the sort of old school trucking universe

02:13:40.340 to not get completely pummeled by these like spreadsheet brain inheritance and regulatory

02:13:46.840 stuff and the surveillance state and all that crap um it's very offensive to me uh what those

02:13:54.200 uh entities have done to it and um the the black-pilled part of my mind is like no just

02:14:01.240 stay away but there's still there's still a lot of that sort of like independent spirit and there

02:14:09.060 are marginal areas of the business where you can still kind of do things the old way um some more

02:14:17.220 than others and um you know there's a fellow in your network a guy named meta prime and he sent

02:14:25.460 me a young lady in california who wanted to learn how to truck and i advised her to avoid the sort

02:14:32.100 of normal route of going to work at a mega carrier and going through their truck driving school and

02:14:36.420 find a local place and it did and it worked out and they showed her how to you know they taught

02:14:41.620 her how to drive on a truck with a you know a manual transmission and she got to go home every

02:14:46.420 day and it was less stressful and i as i understand it she's done quite well and you know i want

02:14:52.520 people to like find those spaces where it's still like it was and it's not as like pressing you know

02:15:00.220 what i'm saying yeah yeah i'd love to know a bit more about that so we kind of got two routes

02:15:04.840 someone could take you can go the corporate routes but then i think the other route would be

02:15:10.080 sort of like an independent contractor what does that look like just because i've seen both of

02:15:15.600 those like advertised but i'm not sure how they work right so there's big and small trucking

02:15:21.580 companies um there's some here in the united states with many thousands of trucks we call

02:15:27.080 those mega carriers but um in 1980 the industry was deregulated by something called the motor

02:15:35.220 carrier act of 1980 and it opened it up anybody could apply for a motor carrier registration

02:15:41.040 number start their own trucking business and there's been good and bad with that um there's

02:15:47.320 been good and bad with how that has shaken out however um it's it's made it easier for

02:15:53.900 smaller mom and pop operations to get rolling. And it is in those smaller operations that the

02:16:01.100 old school way of doing things is still somewhat possible. Everything sucks with scale. The bigger

02:16:08.640 company gets, the more HR people, the more exposure, the more the insurance folks have a

02:16:15.500 say on how things happen. It's more difficult. It's easier to get a job there. It's easier to

02:16:21.140 get trained there but like if you want to do things like the way i like doing them those are

02:16:26.640 not the places to work and so we'll just circle back to that um point you had made earlier about

02:16:32.700 a different type uh you know type of person that's getting swept in a truck and i'll give you

02:16:38.220 one example of what where i'm coming from which is that um you know i'm in my mid-30s so i've

02:16:44.980 over my entire life because i've spent so much time on the road um driving around and you tend

02:16:51.200 to do that a lot in canada a lot of americans you know they don't need to drive everywhere

02:16:56.720 constantly like you do in canada and there's these huge stretches of highway between every

02:17:02.160 fucking city like it's it's um it blows the minds of some of my american friends when you hear just

02:17:07.820 how much time you spend on the highway getting to any major city from anywhere i like it i'm used to

02:17:13.140 it but um something had happened over the past winter i think it was made the last one or the

02:17:18.440 one before um now if you're a truck driver in canada you're of course used to driving in the

02:17:23.920 winter driving in blizzards it's not great but everyone can do it but over the past couple years

02:17:29.140 and i've had to drive in blizzards as well and i'm used to it but i've started noticing more and more

02:17:34.200 trucks just completely crashed on the side of the road like they're just not used to driving in

02:17:40.620 these conditions or they're taking more risks or i'm just noticing more people who don't know how

02:17:47.300 to drive in the in the snow a is that have you noticed that too yeah we we see we see a lot of

02:17:54.500 that and you know um as you know um what's what's the sort of steve sailor beam you're not allowed

02:18:03.300 to notice um oh sorry i just want to comment here from my a good friend requite he says

02:18:11.140 that was epic until you mentioned you helped get another woman on the road

02:18:14.580 oh you know some of the some of them dames are all right behind the wheel um but yeah the the

02:18:23.960 the problem is is oh man it's it there's an arc to this so i mentioned the motor carrier act of 1980

02:18:32.620 uh the trucking industry was opened up it wasn't as controlled anymore by the government who could

02:18:39.060 get a license to operate uh lane rates registering with them all that stuff got blown up opened up

02:18:46.420 the market it was a necessary reform but perhaps it went a little too far in the other direction

02:18:51.500 but anyhow downstream of that what ended up happening was extreme price pressure on rates

02:18:58.160 everything sort of like started to go down you start seeing less and less representation by

02:19:03.780 unions like the teamsters and by the mid to late 1980s the trucking industry starts hemorrhaging

02:19:09.840 people and they they start talking about the shortage truck drivers and maybe back then that

02:19:16.520 was true because they were at the leading edge of this change in the economics of the industry

02:19:23.380 the problem is is that you know some people are like into free market economics and the sort of

02:19:31.680 theory and that is like you know things will heal if like you know things will reach an equilibrium

02:19:38.060 and problems will solve themselves if you allow the free market to do its thing that depends on

02:19:45.000 what you define as the problems but anyway with the sort of driver shortage thing it never

02:19:52.760 happened and it didn't happen because large trucking companies started doing this thing where

02:20:00.500 they told everybody there was a shortage of drivers instead of saying we're having a retention

02:20:07.480 problem because the rates are in the toilet and driver pay is going down but the like difficulty

02:20:12.680 of the job is the same or getting worse. And what ends up happening is the government starts giving

02:20:20.840 money to truck driving schools, as we call them in the industry, CDL mills. And the standards by

02:20:29.200 which you can get a commercial driver's license in the United States are very low. They're also

02:20:35.180 quite low in Canada. And a lot of the people going to these schools are directly or indirectly being

02:20:42.560 financed by the government. The government gets away with this because they just say,

02:20:47.120 hey, this is a jobs program. We're helping these people find jobs. Nobody ever asked the question

02:20:52.380 about where they're going, right? And to his credit, the only big name politician I have

02:21:00.140 ever heard address this was Pete Buttigieg. He was quoted in this study of a friend of mine

02:21:06.940 did out in california and he admitted he's like that we know that 300 000 people quit truck driving

02:21:14.420 every year it's probably more but that's what the government knows about and he's like well

02:21:18.860 this this is not sustainable um there's this sort of a association of state dmvs and state dot's

02:21:27.660 and they like talk about licensing issues and they came out with this report a few years ago

02:21:32.700 I think it was in 2021, it was quoted widely by NPR, that they produce between all 50 states, whatever, 450,000 new CDLs are issued every single year.

02:21:50.140 So you just keep cycling through people, cycling through people, cycling through people, and nobody asks where they're going or why they're quitting or whatever.

02:21:58.440 and it's just like this thing and so it gets converted by the major trucking media the people

02:22:05.740 like the american trucking association politicians that don't know any better oh there's a driver

02:22:10.820 shortage and they start saying oh no one wants to be a trucker these days right right and but they

02:22:16.640 don't they don't do anything to fix it except keep throwing money at cdl mills well what ends

02:22:23.620 up happening is eventually you know you go through the barrel of humanity and you start digging in

02:22:29.860 the bottom and then you start scraping it out and then you start having to like dig through the wood

02:22:35.320 at the bottom of the barrel and then you start having to dig into the muck below the bottom of

02:22:39.760 the barrel and then immigration gets involved and now you have um these complexes where you have

02:22:49.720 these companies that say we'll get you in the united states i think it's called like an e3b

02:22:54.980 visa or something there's literally companies saying we'll go find you truckers in mexico

02:22:59.380 because we can't find any here and in canada it's india and the indians are all up in this shit

02:23:05.480 according to the canadian trucking alliance who are people that i don't really like

02:23:11.300 but i'll i'll give i'll allow them this by their numbers in the toronto and vancouver

02:23:21.120 trucking industries indians now control more than 50 of the market in both of those cities

02:23:27.500 now is that they they're also not just the drivers but also running their own companies

02:23:32.440 hiring other indians it's at every level correct correct and how that happened was because of this

02:23:38.220 narrative the government bought this idea hook line and sinker that there's a driver shortage

02:23:45.240 they didn't ask where the drivers were going they didn't ask why people quit so much they didn't ask

02:23:49.460 like what was it about the job the pay rates the conditions they just like oh we just don't have

02:23:54.840 enough drivers so you know each province has like a nomination program so like trucking companies

02:24:00.580 would come to the bc government or the alberta government and say oh you don't have enough truck

02:24:04.260 drivers and then the provincial government would talk to the feds and say give us all these visas

02:24:09.320 and then the province would turn around and give it to these like immigration consultants over time

02:24:14.720 those immigration consultants especially in bc were eventually all indians who are then like

02:24:20.260 hiring their homeboys from back in india and it got so bad that like the globe and mail did this

02:24:26.520 thing i posted on twitter all the time in 2019 about how some of the sort of dodgier operators

02:24:32.920 in this complex would just like they would have recruiters in the Punjab in India

02:24:38.500 and I don't want to say coerced but convince these guys to move to Canada hey come to Canada

02:24:44.680 we'll get you a job as a trucker even though these guys are like semi-illiterate maybe they

02:24:48.780 don't know English probably never driven a truck in their lives this consulting immigration company

02:24:55.500 gets them a visa they come to Vancouver they go to work for a they go to a truck driving school

02:25:01.460 that's also owned by an Indian dude and then like that Indian dude's cousin owns a trucking company

02:25:06.040 and it's all done in-house within this single ethnicity and then some guy who literally got

02:25:12.940 off the plane from Amritsar to Vancouver and four weeks later he's driving over the Rocky Mountains

02:25:19.940 having never driven a truck before in his life and doesn't even speak English. It's interesting

02:25:25.580 when you consider in my entire life especially now maybe as even more than ever before trucking

02:25:33.400 is always spoken of of something we assume is going to go away right and we'll get into the

02:25:39.580 automation in a second but what like you said pete buddha judge is the only politician you've ever

02:25:44.360 heard speak of this and i'm trying to think of any american or canadian politician it's never even

02:25:49.160 brought up even though as you correctly point out in your sub stack and this will sound like

02:25:55.180 just common wisdom to people but you know everything you can think of that's manufactured

02:26:00.340 or purchased has been on a truck at some point somewhere in that pipeline so it's ubiquitous

02:26:06.420 it's everywhere but we talk about it as if it's always on the way out however then it runs up

02:26:12.680 against this other issue which is they always seem desperate for truckers so it's these two

02:26:18.280 things being held at the same time and no one thinks that there's any dissonance there right

02:26:23.500 it's just a bizarre way to run a society right right so on that note about the sort of looming

02:26:32.100 perceived automation of the business i've been looking into that quite a bit um with some

02:26:38.320 associates there's this guy in indiana named will cook who's been on it for longer than i have

02:26:42.960 this other guy named james anyway and you also gave a speech about this if i'm not mistaken

02:26:49.160 and you were in dc oh yeah that was that was weird these guys called 10-4 on dc do this like

02:26:55.220 annual thing on the mall in washington and they asked me to come speak about this i was kind of

02:27:00.020 floored and like i completely botched the delivery like the speech itself wasn't bad but like i'm not

02:27:06.380 much of a public speaker when there's like a crowd of you know dozens or a hundred people i mean it

02:27:11.420 wasn't that big but like i'm on this stage and like i'm looking at the washington freaking monument

02:27:16.340 and congress is behind me and i'm like the hell am i doing here i'm just like some dumb truck you're

02:27:22.180 getting up there the mic does the feedback thing just go hey that first moment where it just sinks

02:27:29.840 in yeah i was i had major stage fright but anyway uh the automation thing um i'm gonna get back to

02:27:38.140 this lady's book uh data driven um there's a chapter in her book called the slope which is

02:27:45.240 her description of where we are today where where truckers and other workers are and then this like

02:27:54.460 point in the future where it's expected that these jobs will be automated away what does

02:28:02.040 employment look like what does the labor force look like what does like treatment of workers

02:28:07.080 look like what are all these questions looking like in this zone between here and there and

02:28:13.920 uh that's kind of been my project and when i found out about karen and read her book i was like wow

02:28:18.980 sister from another mother but anyway um that's that's the question the the the automation stuff

02:28:26.140 is coming how fast it's hard to say it is coming they do have this technology but there's a whole

02:28:34.460 bunch of questions behind it are they going to get the government on board are they going to get

02:28:37.580 insurance companies on board who is going to get sued if one of these things spurts out

02:28:42.600 and you know like it's not as simple as saying okay cool these tech bros from silicon valley

02:28:50.340 built a robot for us and it's done it's not that simple and this sort of like interregnum period

02:28:57.260 uh between here and there is kind of what i'm interested in and the the thing that drives me

02:29:03.260 nuts is it meets this like the the automated truck system companies are using the same narrative

02:29:12.820 that the guys who are requesting money from the government for their cdl schools which that's not

02:29:21.460 the taxpayers responsibility and then these other gangsters who are bringing people here from

02:29:26.840 guatemala and india and fucking wherever else to come drive trucks here sometimes under dubious

02:29:33.240 arrangements and it's like this whole thing this interregnum is being influenced by a lie

02:29:40.660 and it's a major influence on what all of this looks like yeah so that lie you just described

02:29:48.060 what would that lie be that there's a shortage of truck drivers right right right so i work so

02:29:54.280 i'm associated with these guys called um cdl drivers unlimited it's this sort of newer

02:29:59.380 organization. They hired some interns and they went and talked to every DMV and DOT across the

02:30:06.560 US to get information on active CDLs. They got responses from 36 states and then they crunched

02:30:15.360 those numbers. And for the 14 who wouldn't talk to them, they projected averages and came to this

02:30:22.500 number that's really close to like 9 million people. There's 9 million people in the United

02:30:28.020 states with a cdl that we know about because owner operators are not represented in that because like

02:30:34.660 it's hard to get information from like freelancers and people who work by themselves it's hard for

02:30:39.700 the dot to capture that so it's probably more and by the way owner operators i've seen this mentioned

02:30:44.900 another dumb question that's just someone who owns their truck correct yeah they own it or they lease

02:30:50.260 it that's a whole another discussion i don't want to get distracted by that right like so the point

02:30:55.620 being here is that there are roughly 3.5 million jobs in america that require a commercial driver's

02:31:04.100 license about half a million of those are not actually trucking that's like other occupational

02:31:10.340 stuff like boom trucks working for your utility you're like electrical line guys there's a whole

02:31:15.800 bunch of like trucks that like don't go very far that like stick around town to do a specific job

02:31:22.660 that's not what you would call like a long distance truck driver or like a local truck driver

02:31:27.400 trucking industry of those three and a half million cdls the trucking industry takes up

02:31:33.700 about three million so if you say there's three million trucking jobs and there's nine million

02:31:41.840 people with licenses to do it and they went through the ringer to get that license which

02:31:47.440 means they are certified by the government to do it they may not be the best driver in the world

02:31:52.500 they might suck but under the law they are truckers that means that you have three times

02:31:59.740 as many drivers as there are jobs available for them so this whole truck driver shortage

02:32:05.800 thing is bullshit yeah to me it always reeked of just this faith that this is the type of job that

02:32:13.600 people don't want in the future for whatever biased reason they might have despite the fact

02:32:20.720 how again how ubiquitous it is um and every plan i've heard and i'm just reading the news like

02:32:26.320 regular people every plan i've heard to automate trucking just to regular people sound stupid like

02:32:32.320 you'll hear okay we're gonna have you know ai trucks but the way they structure the ai it doesn't

02:32:39.120 know how to adapt to fluid situations and it's more likely to stop which is the last thing you

02:32:44.240 want on like a huge freeway or they're like okay well then we'll build separate roads for them

02:32:50.160 that'll just be for the trucks and then even someone like me you're like well you just invented

02:32:55.320 trains then do you want a train track you know i mean so it just they have this determination

02:33:01.080 to push it through even though it's not obvious what it even looks like so one of the insidious

02:33:08.440 little things that the automation industry is up to speaking of trains is that they're making this

02:33:15.520 claim that automated trucks will be better for the environment and that the automated driver

02:33:23.100 is a better driver than a human once you train it properly and work all the kinks out and that

02:33:28.700 may be true per truck compared to a mule and cabbage who only did six weeks at a truck driving

02:33:35.760 school setting that aside their claim is is that we can reduce carbon emissions and we don't have

02:33:44.380 to employ drivers and it'll be cheaper it'll be better for the environment just put more stuff

02:33:48.800 on our automated trucks and because there's no hours of service limitations what they're trying

02:33:55.780 to say is is that we can take on the stuff that the rail can't do but they're just going to keep

02:34:02.480 going with that so they're trying to take a bunch of work that would normally go on trains which is

02:34:07.780 way more efficient right like so like depending on what the stuff is and how far it goes there's

02:34:14.120 like a point where it's like better to put it on a train or better to put it on a truck depending

02:34:19.300 on the delivery date volume so like bulk voluminous heavy goods that are not in a hurry to go anywhere

02:34:26.000 put it on a train or a boat if it's like small and has to be somewhere tomorrow put it on a truck

02:34:32.200 so the automated people automation people are trying to cut into the rail market but the problem

02:34:38.720 is in order to do that there's going to be like a zillion more of these trucks so like yes per truck

02:34:45.760 again measuring against their metric on like the robot driving versus like a mule and cabbage

02:34:54.440 driving that might be slightly more efficient but then when you scale that out and there's millions

02:35:00.300 of these trucks on the road because it's more convenient than dealing with the railways now

02:35:04.860 you've got millions of robot trucks on the interstates even more than there is now and

02:35:10.760 there's not the electrical capacity to have them to be ev trucks yet like their claims to this being

02:35:17.920 better for the environment when you like dig through the details are baloney and in fact

02:35:22.540 they're going to be worse yeah my sense is that anytime you've ever heard anyone use the term you

02:35:28.640 know carbon emission they don't really know what that means it's just a word people use that like

02:35:33.660 yeah it'll be uh greener what do you mean by greener how does that make sense you're having

02:35:38.840 a more complicated machine on the road that will require more energy to run than a regular person

02:35:46.000 like it doesn't even make sense if you think about it for a fucking second and also consider

02:35:50.100 that it's not going to be one manufacturer making every truck you're going to have two dozen

02:35:54.880 different manufacturers for these trucks from all over the world can you imagine what a fucking

02:35:59.780 nightmare that's going to be when these ai's because you assume they all communicate with

02:36:04.660 each other matt somehow but they fucking don't so now you have hey you don't like indian drivers

02:36:11.260 what about an indian ai have you thought about what that's like i bet it's like a nuke going

02:36:16.660 off every fucking day right or like well so these guys there's this sort of group of guys

02:36:22.860 i'm associated with to discuss all this stuff and one of the major considerations about

02:36:27.720 um automated vehicles is the systems by which they're controlled because you're going to be

02:36:33.340 like fly by wire by satellite what happens if they get hacked right um that's that's something

02:36:40.740 that can happen like they've had people have hacked pipelines people have hacked ships like

02:36:45.620 that ship that crashed in baltimore you know originally it was thought that that was like a

02:36:49.580 hacking situation the uh what's the name of that pipeline that runs up the east coast that got

02:36:55.220 hacked so like the there's security considerations with like a zillion automated trucks running

02:37:01.920 around and then there's the political stuff right so like uh during freedom convoy there was this

02:37:08.320 discussion about within the canadian government about mandating a kill switch on trucks that the

02:37:16.660 government could control um i i don't know what happened with this this idea i think it died but

02:37:22.820 like they wanted to be able to just shut a truck off remotely like oh that's driven by somebody in

02:37:29.260 the freedom convoy we don't like these people were killing their truck so let's let's imagine

02:37:33.700 it could only be used for something that's not good like even just hearing the idea i'm like

02:37:38.180 no one would ever want that right well so okay so america is a fairly fractured society right

02:37:45.140 so let's say that there's like some electoral district that the party in power does not like

02:37:50.100 or they don't like a politician there they have some dude in control of all the automated trucks

02:37:57.520 oh shoot oh man sorry about those trucks that were supposed to deliver groceries to all your

02:38:02.700 local grocery stores they have they have a problem right now we understand your frustration and the

02:38:10.880 same line you hear when you call up your fucking cell phone company i understand this is a bad day

02:38:16.140 now but you know and you're also talking to an ai who's giving you the bad news right i said a

02:38:22.160 comment here from trucking across america with the schmitz this is on axing gorge's a smart guy

02:38:28.480 i i know those guys that's uh lee and lisa schmidt um lee schmidt as uh being um uh

02:38:38.980 uh proffered as a candidate to lead the fmcsa which is the federal motor carrier safety

02:38:46.040 administration um those are the feds who are in charge of regulating trucking and they're doing

02:38:51.980 a very bad job of it and uh the fmcsa has never been uh ran or had a leader that's ever driven a

02:39:01.460 truck or has any connection to trucking whatsoever because you know you know our you know the guys

02:39:06.940 the good old boys podcast yeah yeah the whole patronage thing right like the the whole like

02:39:14.620 staffing and who gets these positions it doesn't matter like if you have no experience like this

02:39:22.340 this pete buddha judge guy who is the secretary of the dot um you know soon to be unemployed pete

02:39:28.420 buddha judge and see you later buddy uh what background does he have in transportation zero

02:39:36.600 right yeah and like you know over and above that these these people that run these agencies

02:39:43.900 they they do things for the machine right like i'll give you an example so the last person who

02:39:52.580 was in charge of the fmcsa the head of the fmcsa was a woman named robin hutcheson we have this

02:39:58.780 thing called the eld mandate which came out in 2017 which is the surveillance technology that

02:40:03.700 was mandated to be put on trucks the claim by the government was that the eld mandate would

02:40:11.620 make our roads safer by like making it harder or more difficult for truckers to like get around

02:40:17.540 their hours of service because the eye of sauron is on their trucks the problem is is that doesn't

02:40:23.400 address economic incentives it does not address the vagaries of the job it just does not address

02:40:28.980 life itself and so within a couple of years of the eld mandate crashes go up speeding goes up

02:40:36.660 aggressive driving all these metrics of what the eld mandate was supposed to reduce instead went up

02:40:44.920 and last year the year before there was like a panel and somebody from one of the big trucking

02:40:52.560 magazines i can't remember if it was landline or overdrive one of them guys asked robin hutcheson

02:40:58.100 point blank after you know four or five years of this mandate hey this is not going the way you

02:41:05.620 guys said it was going to go it annoys drivers some guys have taken early retirement some guys

02:41:10.860 have quit they don't want to be monitored like this and all of the all of the things you said

02:41:16.320 were going to happen did not happen accidents are up speedings up all this stuff is up like are you

02:41:21.740 going to keep doing this and Hutchison said like yeah we're not changing this like we're not getting

02:41:27.160 rid of the yield even like they don't they these people that are all like trust the science trust

02:41:33.080 statistics we're doing this like you know we're gonna like do everything scientifically we're

02:41:37.080 gonna like make sure it's like logical and reasonable it's not about that it's about

02:41:41.240 compliance and like making them look like they're doing something i i'm calling back to an earlier

02:41:49.520 comment we had here from x i didn't know what it meant at the time but it's from indy trucker

02:41:54.260 who says lee for fmcsa um i'm not sure i didn't know what the fmcsa was but

02:42:02.080 um what are your thoughts on i assume that's a some kind of leadership race happening or what

02:42:06.920 do you think right oh that's uh this trucking across so we've imported some of my fans to this

02:42:12.800 show um one of whom is lee schmidt who is this guy who's like affiliated with cdldu a long time

02:42:20.440 trucker advocate he's been in the business forever he hauls oversized loads he's really good

02:42:24.620 there are moves afoot to have him considered to be the fmcsa head oh exciting stuff um i just

02:42:33.840 wanted to mention this before we were talking about using autonomous trucking and becoming

02:42:39.520 trains and everything uh one thing that i heard people this one comment just popped up booty

02:42:45.940 judge 100 as a rest stop connoisseur oh i mean the irony of like an openly gay man being called

02:42:54.620 booty judge i mean this this writes itself this is like the anthony wiener thing all over again

02:43:00.420 but uh what people talk about drones too people will talk about you know maybe drone delivery

02:43:07.260 is the solution and um or in conjunction with trains and um just honestly there's been a lot

02:43:14.080 of people who've gotten very very excited about little tiny drones especially in the wake of the

02:43:19.480 war in ukraine as something that can solve everything from long-range missiles to tanks

02:43:25.320 and everything like just we can just have an army of drones drones on their own have a like a battery

02:43:32.420 life even really really good drones have a battery life of like half an hour if you attach even like

02:43:37.660 a two pound load to a drone it goes down to like five minutes and i think a lot of people have

02:43:44.140 figured out that drone delivery is just kind of a pipe dream at this point until you really

02:43:49.740 revolutionize battery technology in some sense which is what they've been calling for for like

02:43:55.100 i don't know like 15 years now everyone says batteries haven't really innovated that much

02:44:00.480 So, yeah, so, like, there is very low ceilings to every alternative to trucking.

02:44:07.080 At some point for the foreseeable future, it's a guy in some size of truck that's going to bring the thing to you or the thing to the city.

02:44:15.720 Right, so you're touching on something called, like, the iron law of energy density.

02:44:22.060 And you're seeing a similar problem.

02:44:26.300 So you just mentioned these drones and how they're like battery life reduces as soon as you put a significant load on them.

02:44:32.840 Same thing with trucks, right?

02:44:34.920 So like Tesla and a couple of other, you know, Nikola, there's been a couple of entrants to the EV truck market.

02:44:42.560 And Tesla's trucks, you know, what are they getting?

02:44:46.680 Like 300 miles, maybe 500 if it's like a light load.

02:44:51.420 And then they need to be recharged.

02:44:53.160 And then it takes like seven, eight hours to recharge them.

02:44:56.300 And if you have a truck stop with like 100 or 200 Tesla trucks parked in it, all trying to get charged, that's the draw of a city of like 50,000 people.

02:45:08.240 Electricity wise, where are we getting this electricity?

02:45:11.720 How is it getting transmitted to like all of these truck stops all across America?

02:45:15.920 It's just not like we're not there yet.

02:45:19.080 And then there's the consideration of like, OK, cool.

02:45:22.100 so there's several million trucks on the road in the united states and like a local and long

02:45:27.640 distance capacity okay cool where are we getting all of the rare earth minerals and other materials

02:45:34.980 needed to make all the batteries for these things right so they're trying to replace a technology

02:45:41.780 right that's built around diesel diesel fuel has got a very high btu very high embodied energy

02:45:50.800 it's easy to move it you can shift it through pipelines you can put it on boats so it's very

02:45:55.820 it's portable it's reliable it's got a high energy output it works great but because the sky

02:46:03.800 worshippers have got involved in the government they have said we can't do that anymore otherwise

02:46:08.520 we're going to destroy the planet but without considering the limitations of what they propose

02:46:14.800 to replace it with yeah and it seems that most of the average people i talk to they've kind of

02:46:22.180 come to terms with that like this is something that no one's really that excited about evs

02:46:28.360 anymore like they they've experienced them and they know this isn't the magic well the same thing

02:46:33.880 happened with 3d printing because i remember 3d printing everyone said it was going to replace

02:46:38.780 everything there's a period where they think every new technology is going to revolutionize

02:46:42.640 everything then they need to narrow their predictions and say well it only really works

02:46:47.440 in these very restrictive circumstances which is fine maybe evs are perfect for san diego or urban

02:46:55.360 centers as sedans right but there is no realistic way to substitute them for everything else and

02:47:02.160 i don't know like i honestly think a lot of people just don't take these arguments seriously but still

02:47:07.200 just being hammered through by the managerial state by the bureaucracy the the only true

02:47:13.980 believers in this shit anymore and then it all comes down to people like you right well i mean

02:47:19.180 you know and then there's also the aesthetic considerations um my main beef with tesla

02:47:25.800 trucks is they look like fucking toilets and there's no gear shifter in them uh why why would

02:47:32.540 i drive something where like i'm interacting with the vehicle less the technology has like removed

02:47:38.620 my ability to control things other than like step on the gas and it looks like an upside down toilet

02:47:45.540 going down the road like i'm why would i get in this fucking thing like there's this like there's

02:47:51.540 this human element consideration to all of this that like again our sort of managerial class

02:47:57.820 don't take into consideration you know on on twitter there's like all these like tesla fanboy

02:48:03.500 accounts and you know elon musk's psychophants and stuff and even he himself is like oh truckers

02:48:09.340 are going to think this is great and then if you go to a post where musk or one of his buddies says

02:48:14.400 that three quarters of the replies are actual truck drivers saying no this thing's fucking ugly

02:48:20.300 i don't want to drive it like but like they just these people just are like oh we think it's cool

02:48:27.860 therefore we think you should think it's cool you know qed just get in the truck and drive it do what

02:48:34.400 you're told you know yeah and the same technologist argument is it's the same every time where it's

02:48:40.280 like well more techno anything plus technology equals better more data more information making

02:48:46.980 everything easier is better and i really think they're having to reckon with what we started

02:48:53.140 this conversation with which is a certain type of person a certain class of man or woman but i would

02:48:59.540 assume mostly men that get into this because it almost has an outlaw allure to it like it's

02:49:06.020 it's somewhat rebellious it's a nomad's lifestyle and you're losing most of those people and i

02:49:11.700 I actually had a comment here I didn't get a chance to from Requited, and he says, I wonder which he thinks is worse for the industry, the increased regulations or inflation and decreasing wages.

02:49:24.440 He says he used to know a retired couple that drove a truck together when not traveling.

02:49:29.320 So just a quick point there.

02:49:31.620 What do you think is chasing a lot of these people away?

02:49:35.360 Would it be probably a little bit of both?

02:49:38.580 I mean, full disclosure, I'm not on the road right now.

02:49:41.120 I got laid off from my last trucking job about, I don't know, not quite a year and a half ago.

02:49:47.360 And I've been doing other things, helping my in-laws with their businesses.

02:49:51.340 But like, yeah, it's a lot of it's regulation.

02:49:54.320 A lot of the type, again, the human element, the type of person that is going to want to get into a business where you're expected to be away from home and solve all these little problems that come on and have like a lot of like sort of sovereignty.

02:50:09.660 like you're the captain of this ship but then they keep taking it away chipping away at that

02:50:15.080 with technology and surveillance and like brokers that call you all the time and like

02:50:18.900 everybody's up in your shit that's not why you got into trucking the personality type of

02:50:25.600 of a trucker is not conducive to these layers of garbage of regulation and surveillance they

02:50:33.560 keep putting on it and then you pair that with the fact that like a truck driver's salary on

02:50:39.500 average there's still like niche areas of the industry where you can make a lot of money and

02:50:43.640 you can be fairly successful if you know what you're doing i'm not taking away from that but

02:50:47.880 on average the average truck driver's salary is inflation adjusted half of what it was in 1980

02:50:54.980 so like how do you square this circle where it's like we're treating you like a robot and we want

02:51:05.080 to surveil you constantly and we're paying you less money like it just doesn't work yeah and i

02:51:10.940 know we usually cap these at an hour or so and so we do need to get going soon but i do want to

02:51:18.440 bring this around to the trucker protest which we briefly touched on there and i was wondering

02:51:24.080 did your advocacy really start to take off during that protest or were you active in the space

02:51:31.840 before that and did your you know activity around the trucker protest affect your career right that's

02:51:39.160 great question and that's um yeah so i i was writing about this in very small bits and pieces

02:51:45.740 back in 2017 in 2022 and the freedom convoy came to ottawa and other parts of canada i felt

02:51:53.420 um it was sort of my duty to express solidarity with my fellow canadians i live in america now

02:51:58.720 but i am canadian i went back to ottawa i spent the first weekend at freedom convoy

02:52:03.080 and um at that time on a previous twitter account i had like 1200 followers and i just posted all

02:52:09.920 these videos like here i am on this overpass welcoming the convoy to town here we are downtown

02:52:14.780 ottawa here's what i'm seeing and um a bunch of people saw them and some people knew that it was

02:52:22.960 already writing and then i got like requests to write for like newsweek and then unheard in the

02:52:29.440 uk and um there was just because people understood that like what the canadian media was saying was

02:52:37.140 like questionable and eventually we all came to understand as outright lies um there was this like

02:52:43.820 you know appetite for like hey what do people on the ground have to think about this

02:52:49.240 and you know I was very obviously pro-convoy and I saw that what the media was saying was untrue

02:52:58.920 and there was these narratives being set and so like I jumped in and that has opened up other

02:53:03.880 opportunities for me to write about the business and then the problem with the freedom convoy is

02:53:12.240 that the persecution of a number of people involved in it is ongoing like nearly three years later

02:53:18.380 yeah and you cover that pretty extensively on your sub stack as well and we unfortunately didn't

02:53:24.760 get to cover this too closely on our show but it's very top of mind for myself and my co-host

02:53:30.320 but we're talking about uh the like the coots trial and the people certain individuals who

02:53:37.020 have just been swept up by the system and are being accused of wild things just it seems like

02:53:45.560 to punish them while in custody and get them into solitary confinement,

02:53:50.160 things like that.

02:53:50.720 And you've been on that story still, as far as I'm concerned.

02:53:54.460 Is that correct?

02:53:55.580 Yeah.

02:53:55.820 I mean, all these things quiet and down since the lot,

02:53:58.360 the two remaining Coots guys were sentenced,

02:54:00.700 Tony Olenek and Chris Carbert, who, you know, they're sentencing.

02:54:04.600 I could do a whole show on that by itself, but yeah, they got,

02:54:08.580 they kind of got railroaded.

02:54:10.700 The other two gentlemen also got railroaded and then put out on these

02:54:15.560 other things but like the the larger point is is that you know those guys are in jail

02:54:20.900 you have um tamara lich and chris uh barber over in ottawa who are facing possibly 10 years in

02:54:27.440 prison this longest mischief trial in canada and then there's all the unnamed people there's

02:54:32.720 literally hundreds of people that were in ottawa or windsor or coots who are facing all these like

02:54:38.140 stupid charges simply for being at a protest they didn't do anything wrong the government's just

02:54:44.100 like flexing itself on it and like um a really interesting thing i like to bring up is like so

02:54:51.280 chris barber and tamarilich's trial started in like september of 2023 and it's been ongoing

02:54:58.660 they still haven't been like the judge hasn't made her decision on this yet that's supposed

02:55:02.420 to come later um when that trial started there was a wedding in ottawa and there was a drive-by

02:55:09.260 shooting two people were killed a number of people got sent to hospital they still don't

02:55:13.700 know who committed that they don't know what happened there's nobody's been charged or anything

02:55:19.060 because three of like ottawa city pd's murder detectives were busy trying to convict tamara

02:55:26.680 lich and chris barber for having a protest right like all of this like state resources have been

02:55:34.340 focused explicitly on punishing people involved with the freedom convoy instead of dealing with

02:55:40.780 like legitimate criminality like a bunch of your listeners will be familiar with the term

02:55:44.700 anarcho tyranny that's what's happening in canada the the tyranny is against regular people those

02:55:51.440 who stood up for themselves against the covid regime as represented by the freedom convoy

02:55:55.660 and then the anarchy is like you know hamas enthusiasts running wild in toronto and ottawa

02:56:01.380 and chanting death to whoever and you know the native protests that never get prosecuted and

02:56:07.400 you know the identity politics thing right there's the sort of schmitty and friend enemy

02:56:11.720 you know our friends here of the liberal party and identified fetishized groups we will go light

02:56:19.380 touch on them our enemies are normal people and we go full tilt boogie prosecuting them for baloney

02:56:26.480 which is wild if you consider and we don't need to get into the covet thing right now but and

02:56:31.600 we've covered that extensively on the show too it seems now more than ever before even regular

02:56:37.620 people are openly admitting like yeah that was a that was a mistake a lot of that stuff we did

02:56:42.520 we should just move past that but it's it seems to me like everyone who was at that protest was

02:56:50.500 in some way vindicated you know they were on the right side of this and to bring the hammer down

02:56:57.140 on them further just it literally is just the refusal to it to admit that they're wrong because

02:57:02.820 if they do that then the entire facade crumbles right and i mean that's that's why those two guys

02:57:09.020 you know tony only neck and chris carbert are in jail in alberta the government needed a

02:57:14.020 legitimation for the invocation of the emergencies act they needed a boogeyman even though there was

02:57:19.580 all kinds of problems with the trial problems with the case problems with the crown prosecutor

02:57:24.760 problems with the judges sentencing just there's there's so many fires and smoke going on with

02:57:31.960 this trial and then of course the government ignored it there's this new cbc fifth estate

02:57:37.020 documentary that's like kind of from what i've heard it's like focused on this diagonal thing

02:57:43.300 which is like a side show and that was like a nothing burger during the actual trial and the

02:57:49.620 The government is still trying to punish these guys in the eyes of the public, even though they've already been in jail for nearly three years.

02:57:57.880 Like, it's just ridiculous.

02:57:58.960 And you read reports.

02:58:01.180 There was a leak recently about the RCMP is committing even more taxpayer money and manpower into infiltrating what they perceive to be right wing extremist groups.

02:58:12.340 And you can't tell me that they don't see trucker.

02:58:14.660 I bet they see most truckers as potential extremists.

02:58:18.460 You talk about the Eye of Sauron. I imagine you would have more interest in proving or trying to gin up a case that they didn't waste their time and money on this. They need these people to be wild extremists. They can't admit they're wrong because then that hurts their entire case.

02:58:37.720 And we could end on this question. I'm going to ask you a really speculative question. But how much of this oppression comes from Trudeau? Because I noticed that Trudeau is the target of a lot of the resistance to this.

02:58:56.360 It's my sense that absent Trudeau, Trudeau is gone.

02:59:00.860 This is more a feature of the Liberal Party, but also the Conservative Party.

02:59:06.780 I see no evidence that most of the Conservative system would be totally opposed to what's happening to these individuals.

02:59:14.460 So it seems to be a systemic problem.

02:59:17.320 What's your read on that?

02:59:19.400 Sure.

02:59:20.300 I agree that there's not much difference between the two parties.

02:59:23.840 I'm a little bit black-pilled on that, as I'm sure many of your listeners are.

02:59:30.720 Part of the reason is, part of it is actually Trudeau,

02:59:34.340 because the man is some kind of socio or psychopath.

02:59:38.460 He's an extreme narcissist, and you cannot, like, disobey him.

02:59:45.360 You cannot be seen to be, like, you know, weak or attacked.

02:59:48.520 you know he went to this like asean thing in cambodia or southeast asia a few weeks ago and

02:59:54.920 then he heard about 20 of his members of parliament were going to mutiny on him he cancels the trip

03:00:01.880 flies back to canada immediately goes into a caucus meeting and then comes out like all cocky

03:00:07.360 like oh we're more united than ever before and then somehow he's got some kind of magic spell

03:00:12.880 over the Bloc Québécois and the NDP who claim that they're, like, against him,

03:00:18.320 but they keep supporting him.

03:00:19.800 And, like, the guy is just, like, I understand that it's, like, a party thing

03:00:25.820 and the Laurentian elite, and there's, like, a total bureaucracy

03:00:29.140 and the, like, you know, the influence of globalism and, like, WF

03:00:34.580 and all this crap into Canada.

03:00:36.120 I get all that, but a lot of it is still Trudeau, man.

03:00:39.360 Like, there's just something about that guy.

03:00:41.360 You know what?

03:00:41.640 That's an interesting take.

03:00:42.700 i've never heard that before and i'd love to hear more of that in the future i've always seen him

03:00:47.440 portrayed and i'm guilty of this as well as uh casting him as just this dope like a golden an

03:00:53.820 embarrassing golden retriever type guy you don't usually hear him described as a skilled political

03:00:59.980 operator but he has lasted this long and he has lasted this long and he has collaborators in his

03:01:08.820 own party and his other party and um i'm gonna give a shout out to a uh a lady who also writes

03:01:16.200 on substack her substack is called the intrepid viking her name is roxanne halverson she wrote

03:01:21.900 this really awesome short summary of uh trudeau's dad and her the father's influence on the son

03:01:30.900 right because like she's she she she sort of framed it like everybody likes to engage in the

03:01:36.100 conspiracy theory that like you know trudeau is the son of um castro from cuba right her argument

03:01:43.580 is like whether or not that's true it doesn't matter because the father pierre trudeau was

03:01:49.960 like a communist like fanboy and like went to go to china and like traveled around and wrote a book

03:01:55.520 about it and then like rode a boat from florida back to cuba and like the guy had authoritarianism

03:02:02.140 in his veins and then he gave it to his son whether the son was adopted from fidel or not

03:02:08.780 is sort of irrelevant to the fact that both of his perceived fathers were like authoritarian commies

03:02:16.160 that is funny to think about people try and make the argument for castor's like look

03:02:19.940 he's secretly a communist he's like no no no pierre was also a communist right yeah i mean it's fun

03:02:27.500 like i get it like who knows maybe he is like that's not my argument nor roxanne's but there

03:02:32.980 was enough of like enough of this crap was going on with pet that the the sun was trained well

03:02:40.020 in these dark arts i'm going to look more into that i actually just uh subscribe now to the

03:02:45.840 intrepid viking we're like look at roxannehalverson.substack.com is a place for that

03:02:51.640 and i just want to remind people to go subscribe to autonomous truckers.substack.com

03:02:57.180 listed on there but if you're listening to the audio version now you got the place to go it is

03:03:01.960 one of my personal favorite sub stacks um and we're i have to get headed out now but i just

03:03:07.300 wanted to thank you uh so much for taking the time we covered everything i wanted to cover

03:03:12.140 and i think we gave people a lot to think about is there anything else that you wanted to

03:03:16.480 mention or plug that i might not have covered yet oh man i try not to be like mr self-promotion um

03:03:24.020 If you're a Twitter person, I'm on Twitter at Gordon McGill.

03:03:29.560 If you're the kind of person that likes to write letters,

03:03:32.820 Tony Olianek and Chris Carvert have been in jail for over a thousand days on political persecution.

03:03:41.200 Go to Alberta Political Prisoners on Facebook or my sub stack.

03:03:44.820 I'm going to do something about them again here very soon.

03:03:46.960 Write them a letter for Christmas.

03:03:48.880 They're in jail in Drumheller in Alberta.

03:03:51.960 I'll post that.

03:03:54.020 eventually donate to my Gibson go. Cause there's still ongoing legal stuff.

03:03:58.160 You know,

03:03:58.880 part of the reason I'm here and have this like platform is because like,

03:04:03.320 I just started talking about them guys when not many other people were and,

03:04:08.520 you know, help them out, you know, write them a letter for Christmas.

03:04:13.920 Yeah. And if I can just add onto that,

03:04:16.580 that's something that I've discussed repeatedly with guys,

03:04:20.200 various people in our scene that there's probably,

03:04:22.560 there's lots of cases of people from whatever sector or space they're thinking of who've been

03:04:29.160 imprisoned wrongly or extremely for some kind of protest. We tend to forget about them. They're

03:04:35.300 easy to forget about. And I think it's probably the most important thing that we can do in this

03:04:40.940 space to let people know that if they get, if they stick their necks out and they end up in jail,

03:04:46.760 you know, because they're made a target of unfairly, like at the very least, we've got to let

03:04:52.560 remind people that that's going on because if you're in this space and there's no reason to

03:04:57.600 believe that these persecutions wouldn't increase more in the future this is what chases people away

03:05:03.920 more than anything the feeling that they're sacrificing and then being forgotten about

03:05:08.640 the world moves on without them so i think it's very honorable that you're doing that i encourage

03:05:13.360 everyone to do the same and i'm going to do the same myself um so yeah i just followed them i

03:05:17.760 I followed Alberta political political prisoners of Alberta on X.

03:05:22.420 People give that a follow and we will head out now,

03:05:25.340 but thank you so much for taking the time.

03:05:27.640 And maybe I seem a bit confused.

03:05:38.300 Yeah, maybe, but I got you.

Blood Satellite - December 13, 2024

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