00:02:19.760I mean, most of them didn't have central air unless you bought something to.
00:02:23.200Oh, no, I don't think we ever lived in a place that had central air.
00:02:25.460It was always either window AC or ventilation, which is a nice, you know, team building exercise when just to survive, you need to huddle around like you would huddle around a fire.
00:25:03.460what if we were just extremely cunning
00:25:06.820and we got everything we wanted like these i said on the stream i'm like these are less than
00:25:12.620thoughts this doesn't even qualify as an opinion it's just like what if what if we could convince0.95
00:25:17.600the cia to target our enemies right right right i love that what the fuck what he had one of them0.93
00:25:25.360in there that was like 10 paragraphs about how to deal with the brahmin question and he's like0.98
00:25:30.040you know introduction we need to deal with the indians and now body of the of the paragraph is
00:25:35.740the way we deal with the indians is we make a plan we make a plan by thinking about it and then
00:25:39.760deciding we need to consider this and this once we've considered it then we make the plan then we1.00
00:25:44.100execute the plan now it's resolved see it's like well what you haven't said anything like showing
00:25:49.800you a powerpoint presentation on how to make the best powerpoint presentation yeah exactly
00:25:54.460what yeah this isn't even what we're supposedly here for anyway again the only reason i bring
00:26:01.400this up is you're seeing a lot of this happen right now as more of our ideas and opinions
00:26:07.560and topics broach the mainstream there seems to be this contingent of guys oftentimes you can
00:26:14.060you know call back their genesis many many years ago saying that okay now it's time do you guys
00:26:20.620want to win here's what we need to do we need to be libs and mike that to me is suspicious
00:26:26.600this why are you doing this we're actually doing a pretty good job you know what i know not to go
00:26:31.380on too much of a tangent but a lot of what's been happening like say with the dime square people
00:26:35.260right it's been people who are like you know i was a leftist for my whole life but again the
00:26:40.720covid really opened my eyes and at the age of 35 or 42 i realized that i've been wrong all along
00:26:48.300it's like well you were retarded up till 18 months ago you're probably still retarded like i don't0.91
00:26:54.620know why it's almost like you know the left has the token black guy so they can gain credibility0.96
00:26:59.040like we have token left-wing intellectuals who have fallen out with the left-wing crowd and
00:27:04.020joined us and we actually give them more leeway because i don't and i don't understand that
00:27:08.640like especially like it's one thing if you're a kid like everybody's a leftist when they're a kid
00:27:12.060right but you got guys that are in their 30s that are coming in here and they're like well in 2022
00:27:15.940i was very left-wing but then i you know i really figured it out it's like no you you're you're a0.98
00:27:20.100grown man yeah you there's nothing you can do to erase all that that bullshit you will never be0.97
00:27:25.440anything but a second class member of this group you will never be anywhere near leadership you0.99
00:27:30.620will never even be on parody with us because we've been fighting this for most of our lives0.97
00:27:34.980and you were our opponent up until we had we beat you over the head with it for 15 fucking years so0.96
00:27:41.260no i'm not interested in your ally ship or whatever the fuck you want to call it where did you come0.96
00:27:46.060from yeah that's why i'd always made the case and we've both done this that we actually need more0.91
00:27:50.580filters on this side yeah we want to roll out the red carpet for any you know jilted leftist who0.96
00:27:56.580comes over it's like yeah yeah yeah you're right no no fuck yeah yeah yeah don't roll your eyes1.00
00:28:04.260as you're crossing the fucking picket line don't fuck don't say like okay yeah i guess you're right1.00
00:28:09.400no i need like five years of an apology tour from all of these fuckers i need you to explain in1.00
00:28:15.780detail where you're wrong why you'll never make that mistake again why the fuck do i need you0.99
00:28:20.540we appreciate your money if you're gonna donate to the show and you're gonna like back us up0.99
00:28:25.180but like don't come in here and like you know try to try to talk like just keep your mouth shut
00:28:31.520forever please yeah no if you're a um retired leftist when you come over here when you cross0.99
00:28:38.420that bridge you have to start the guards the fucking spears crossed as next name five creators0.91
00:28:45.000that you're donating to right now yeah you have to be giving 250 a month to these causes name the0.97
00:28:52.240five that you're giving to that could be sub stacks that could be podcasts that could be designers0.99
00:28:56.680musicians i don't know if you are coming over here you need to be giving money otherwise fuck off not0.99
00:29:02.840even to us to my friends i don't give a shit give it to someone give it to geo give it to0.99
00:29:08.220prudentials give it to any of these people like you need to make amends for the fact that you0.98
00:29:12.260were a retard for too long far too long you probably just start saying maybe something was0.79
00:29:18.700up with this covid thing now you have to give a thousand dollars to be allowed over here if not1.00
00:29:24.540and stay over there with the fucking fags and trannies and suicidal women and we yeah people1.00
00:29:30.360showing up now like in the past year and they're like oh covid really opened my eyes it's like okay1.00
00:29:34.720so then where were you in 2020 what you mean is is uh the vaccine injury shit opened your eyes0.83
00:29:40.560The COVID lockdowns, the authoritarianism that destroyed my company and livelihood permanently, as well as a million other people, that didn't bother you.0.99
00:29:49.160But what bothers you now is the fact that your mom died because of the vaccine.
00:40:13.240Like, it's just the misunderstanding of it's very kind of metaphysical, too, because it's I mean, at what point do you dig in and say, you know, the pattern of neurons and electrons and whatever in your brain, which represents your thoughts and your mood and everything?
00:40:27.940In what way is that you? And to the extent that it's you, even just freezing it for a second immediately destroys it.
00:40:33.620So, like, are you trying to bring your soul back?
00:40:36.600Or I guess the joke is, is people who do this don't believe in souls anyway.
00:40:39.960They're totally mechanistic in their thinking.
00:40:41.800I think Walt Disney is an illustrative example where if he was unfrozen right now, he would kill himself.
00:40:48.400What was the one family guy clip I've seen a million times?
00:40:51.720Like, he wakes up from the freezing and he's like, the Jews are not dead yet.
00:41:18.560You wake up from crowd jet and you freeze it immediately and say, can I kill everybody?
00:41:22.880you know what um speaking of which um there was a couple of articles i read here that are very
00:41:34.980very interesting and these ties into what we were discussing on the live stream the prudentialist
00:41:39.960and geo and a couple others we've uh mentioned recently but i'm looking at axios right now
00:41:45.900and there was a poll taken and the headline is exclusive poll America warms to mass deportations
00:41:54.220is it possible that that's actually what people support is 62 percent of Americans want people
00:42:00.440who are here illegally gone yes and it's also possible they just look at the border footage
00:42:05.200and they look at the footage like you just cited in New York and said whatever this is I don't want
00:42:09.840that it doesn't have to be that complicated people understand this on a very basic level and
00:42:14.540The unfortunate part is the crisis is so bad and the policies are so inconsistent that for the first time in 10 years, we've seen the least support for legal immigration.
00:42:25.540We've seen that number go down. We've seen the number go down of people that think people are here for a good, relatable reason go down to the lowest level since 2013.
00:42:36.540And this was a survey of just around over 6,000 adults.
00:42:41.320And when they do these surveys, the sample is vetted and confirmed, whatever.
00:42:47.080It says the share of Americans who say they support mass deportations of undocumented immigrants is now, for the first time, I think at 51%.
00:42:56.640Like the majority, officially the majority of all Americans.
01:02:35.620they got the fucking jim garrison cartoon to come to life and no one was happy no one you know what0.95
01:02:42.240just just a quick tangent on the whole coalitional thinking thing this is where it gets you because0.97
01:02:47.460there's an enormous body of actual libertarian philosophy which is represented in a whole
01:02:52.640handful of candidates but what you got was what you just said you got the i'm going to use my
01:02:57.180ar-15 fully auto to defend my gay neighbor's pot plants the gay neighbor's pot plants is the1.00
01:03:02.960coalition because being gay and having pot plants is the dumbest most tangential shit to0.99
01:03:08.780libertarianism in reality but you put that in there so that you can have broad appeal so that1.00
01:03:13.660your party can grow and you get closer to winning an election but you've watered down watered it
01:03:17.800down so much that you're a joke party now like maybe you never would have won an election but1.00
01:03:22.120at least you had principles now you have nothing you have a bunch of literal gays and potheads1.00
01:03:26.980like you know having butt sex at pork fest like that's all this is now let's drill down to that1.00
01:03:32.260because you had called attention to something Prudentialist had said yesterday that I thought0.99
01:03:36.380was so poignant because really the beating heart of that stream was talking about the pieces released
01:03:44.280by Walt Bismarck and many others saying that the future is coalition building from the position of
01:03:50.560the distant right we need to reach out to more friends we need to befriend the Brahmins we need
01:03:55.980to defend and he's advocating for befriending gays we need more gays because they're based and we1.00
01:04:02.000need more based feminists, as if we haven't been there before. And Prudentialists, could you1.00
01:04:07.200summarize it? Because I don't want to do a disservice, but he did summarize it so pointedly
01:04:12.140previously about coalitional building. Oh, right, right, right. So if you have a majority, right,
01:04:17.800and you say we, or you have a plurality, but you need to turn the plurality into a majority,
01:04:22.080you pull a couple of minority groups in, in order to create a majority so that you can win, right?
01:04:27.040But in order to pull the minority groups in, you take the majority for granted and you have to start giving all of these concessions to the minority, usually, in fact, always to the extent that you are giving you are alienating and taking for granted the majority that put you on the map in the first place.
01:04:45.640And the only thing that this that the best thing that can happen is you'll win the election with a watered down campaign and eight years down the line, the whole thing implodes because you've undercut your entire base in order to get there.
01:04:59.040It never actually works in the long run if you are measuring success by by in terms of achieving the original stated goals and principles that the majority had in the first place.
01:05:10.040so you have two choices you can win one election with a coalition and then destroy everything you0.99
01:05:15.320ever worked for or you can just not win this election but at least you keep your fucking skin0.97
01:05:19.500and there's they're like and if you don't believe me then show me a couple of examples0.94
01:05:25.280of coalitions actually working not winning an election but coalitions maintaining the actual
01:05:30.600goals of the group in the long term and in the long term and not actually diluting them and
01:05:34.900destroying because it all it actually always does and also if you have been following the libertarian
01:05:42.800parties the actual regional parties um who all have like social media accounts their tweets and
01:05:49.760this is what i was getting at before where they're trying to troll people by saying like yeah guess0.92
01:05:54.540what we are the gay party and you're gay for being a libertarian like insulting the people that were0.96
01:06:00.500upset even though they are libertarians0.99
01:19:38.980let us know and submit something to me on Telegram
01:19:42.920or through our email, bloodsatellite at protonmail.com.
01:19:47.220Moving on, and we might end up cutting this episode
01:19:50.000shorter than usual so i'm just going to try and get to the next couple before we get to the book
01:19:54.040section but i i saw this really fascinating article here group chats rule the world and
01:20:02.960we've talked about this before about how everyone calls little group chats echo chambers and we need
01:20:08.060to break people out of these echo chambers but i think the previous social media model of an
01:20:13.560individual broadcasting of the world first of all that doesn't exist anymore but second of all it
01:20:18.180only really existed for a very brief amount of time and maybe even only with twitter but the
01:20:23.800trend from for online communities has become smaller and smaller with higher and higher walls
01:20:29.200and we're seeing something like a salon culture spring up and arguably that's been going on
01:20:35.260forever but i think the walls are higher than ever before there's more and more people who just
01:20:40.700filter everything all their news all their gossip everything through the community and i think um
01:20:49.040so no one's just plugged in to a feed people are people tend to be leaving feeds more than ever1.00
01:20:55.240before because the feeds are garbage you know algorithmic programming is fucking shit you watch1.00
01:21:01.080one video from something you hate and now your entire feed is things you hate yep yep twitter0.99
01:21:07.340even does this i i like i saw one tweet from like will stancil and now it's all will stancil's
01:21:12.980friends on my feet i don't subscribe to any of these people i've just got like left anarchists0.61
01:21:18.560complaining about people complaining about furiosa or shit like that
01:21:23.420this isn't the experience that i want so this is uh from saram krishnan um what the sigma0.96
01:21:34.140You know what? Fuck it. Put a bullet in my head. But let's just read it anyway. It says most of the interesting conversations in tech now happen in private group chats. WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal, small invite only Discord groups. Discord could probably even be said to be the first big push for this.1.00
01:21:54.540um being part of the right group chat can feel like having a peek at the kitchen of a restaurant
01:21:59.440but instead of food messy ideas and gossip fly around in real time salons and groups have always
01:22:04.500existed existed but why the recent shift to private discourse and he gives a few reasons here
01:22:10.420i think these are true but i think the history of this reaches back further but he says the great
01:22:16.660culture wars of 2020 meant people especially in tech weren't comfortable sharing their views in
01:22:21.620public uh two covid meant we all had to shelter indoors and turned online for community three
01:22:27.960many of the big internet trends of recent years crypto and ai started or found homes in small
01:22:33.560online communities first i know that's true in crypto most of the crypto space is run by these
01:22:39.080weird little chats um and i know like i'd heard stories from some of my friends in finance during
01:22:47.320covid because no one knew what the fuck was going on covid was breaking everything everywhere and so
01:22:52.800what you saw spring up were these like zoom calls and these private chats were like finance guys
01:22:58.400were getting together saying okay what do you know what what do i know let's just figure out what
01:23:02.620how we can make it so we don't all go broke right and then over time these started to snowball
01:23:08.340into these like weekly happenings where you get bigger and bigger names come in but these were
01:23:14.460these were not public they weren't even online they're just like zoom calls where like policy
01:23:18.800makers would just pop in along with kind of low level guys and that was just in finance so imagine
01:23:23.620that happening everywhere because i assume it was and it was also happening you know on a lower level
01:23:29.000in marketing too i knew people trying to like when people don't know what to do they host salons
01:23:35.380when the world's falling apart they'll say let me get 15 guys together let's talk about what the
01:23:39.820fuck's going on because no one wants to do it on the timeline anymore that's for certain0.93
01:23:45.040he says here uh time and time again i've seen group chat conversations act as the memetic0.99
01:23:52.840upstream of mainstream opinion like a stand-up comic a comic workshopping he's set in a small
01:23:59.720club people trial content and ideas find bonds and you often see narratives and ideas discussed
01:24:04.900make the jump to x and then to mainstream discourse i think that's true and that was
01:24:11.160even true with memes where you know back in the day memes would start on 4chan or any of the chan
01:24:17.400boards and then the end the ultimate destination was like ebombs world and then facebook but there
01:24:23.660was this filtration process all along the way but none of these people were making memes the people
01:24:28.160who made the memes were in these like really these tight-knit communities that were a bit more
01:24:34.140hostile to outsiders and you know i'm talking about 4chan here it's not like it was this
01:24:39.160private group but for you know there was a time when 4chan was seen as a place where regular
01:24:43.940people didn't want to go but they're the ones who are making things and they're making things on
01:24:49.280something awful so i think this has been a model that's been defining the internet for a long time
01:24:54.940um so what do we think about that does that ring true to you at all yeah yeah definitely
01:25:00.680yeah and so he says um which leads the question what makes one of these groups work um he says
01:25:09.300the best ones are a forever dinner party good friends a conversation happening in perpetuity
01:25:14.180they share uh some of the things below says gardener not carpenter strong and fair central
01:25:20.740leader who sets the tone and enforces the rules um number two is cooling rods and nuclear reactors
01:25:27.700says cooling rods are using nuclear reactors to control the rate of reaction every group chat
01:25:33.760usually has one or two people that like to talk a lot i'm just thinking of our own right now and
01:25:38.680a couple names spring up they are critical you need the provocateurs who inject new ideas
01:25:43.380consistently however almost all of them have a tendency to dominate these groups this is where
01:25:48.460cooling rods come in um this is someone who can just shut them down like you need you need power
01:25:55.840users but you need like two other cooling users to calm them the fuck down and again if people
01:26:01.700are thinking of our chat right now you might you might actually see this if like any chat that
01:26:06.560you've been a part of that is successful it's not even a natural thing it's not like this is how
01:26:11.580human beings necessarily exist in the real world but the chat dynamic you don't have a power user
01:26:18.520in your friend group a guy who just never shuts up because he wouldn't be in your friend group
01:26:22.920but a chat is an interesting dynamic because you you pop in and out so a guy can be talking for
01:26:30.640hours and hours you pop in you but if you're hanging out with someone and if they never
01:26:33.960stop talking throw them in the bonfire but in this in this case you actually need these people
01:26:39.620and you can't kill them because then everything dies um he says the gravitational pull of a few0.98
01:26:45.860topics it's common for a group chat to suffer from audience capture and start circling the
01:26:50.440same topics incessantly this is where variety comes in you need a consistent injection new
01:26:56.320ideas themes and members into the mix anyway he's just going through a few things here but um and
01:27:03.400we talked about the emancipation of authorship that book a while ago it's like even just being
01:27:08.240in these chats sometimes by you speaking up you could actually influence the discourse in more
01:27:15.720ways than you could ever imagine yeah for sure if you just find yourself in there you don't
01:27:20.860actually need to publish anything you could actually get the ear of someone and now you're
01:27:24.960you might be affecting public policy yeah you know what just as that that bit about um about uh0.53
01:27:32.980fuck what was it just we mentioned a minute ago i lost anyways i made a point that you said that
01:27:40.680you really like and i could i thought i got it from you i remember i didn't get from you i got0.94
01:27:44.220from a random guy in a volunteerist group chat so the point is is that this is what i'm talking
01:27:49.800like there's maybe 15 guys in those comments and i pulled his comment gave it to you you loved it0.98
01:27:55.540now it's on our show yeah this is the this is the point like this shit spreads you don't really know0.76
01:27:59.960how it's going to affect people yeah and on that topic and this is why i wanted to start with that0.88
01:28:03.460because it leads into this this video that i watch and i'll include some clips here but um there's
02:00:27.340And this could be the last part we end on.
02:00:28.740And I do think this is true, and it actually captures and explains a lot of the other, what people think to be causes.
02:00:36.320It says, not only is energy flow required to maintain a socio-political system, but the amount of energy must be sufficient for the complexity of that system.
02:00:46.580The amount of energy required per capita to maintain the simplest human institutions are incredibly small compared to those needed by the most complex.
02:00:55.060As societies increase in complexity, more networks are created among individuals, more hierarchical controls are created to regulate those networks, more information is processed, there is more centralization of information flow, there is increasing need to support specialists not directly involved in resource production to account for all this information.
02:01:21.340More specifically, it is proposed that in many crucial spheres, continued investment in this complexity reaches a point where the benefits of such an investment begin to decline and gradually then accelerate a force.
02:01:33.400So really, as you increase in complexity, you need more institutions to justify that complexity, need more resources for that, and you reach a tipping point of some kind where no one gets any benefit out of these institutions.
02:03:18.040And regardless of how we ended up there,
02:03:20.180But that itself, I think, is what will spell the end of the civilization.
02:03:25.040Because at the end of the day, who is going to be there to defend it?
02:03:28.500Even Republicans don't even seem to want to defend it anymore.1.00
02:03:32.040The only people who really, really want to defend this system are new immigrants who actually don't want to defend the system.1.00
02:03:39.000They just operate in their self-interest.1.00
02:03:40.600so there's almost no one here who's really defending like the american electorate or the
02:03:46.840canadian you know uh commonwealth right now who believes that the nature of the type of politicians
02:03:53.340we have on both sides in every party is what you could say are grifters or they're people who are
02:03:58.660free of principle they're people who are only there because they're playing the game so the
02:04:01.940the corollary of that is that where are all the people who were principled in previous generations
02:04:07.460Like there used to be a draw to get involved because there was a possibility of you actually improving things and pulling things together.
02:04:14.780But the only people left, you know, those of us who actually have principles and want a better future, none of us are involved in politics, really, because the system doesn't exist for that.
02:24:15.020If you're on the right, you're kind of insane to a degree, right?0.97
02:24:18.800If you're not just one of these normies who wants to chug along to get along, right?
02:24:23.140So you'd have to have some inherent disagreeability about the system within you.
02:24:28.360And that means there's going to be some quirks there and there's going to be some insanity and it's going to be some cringe, but it's so worth it because you just have these such high quality people on our side.
02:24:39.820Not all of them. Some of them are Spurks who are useless, but you just have that quality on our side that you can never find on the other side, the left, you know, which is just the mainstream, like, goy slop, you know, the gray ooze type of thing.1.00
02:24:55.680it's unoriginal bland and on the right you have like papa john's you know meat lovers special with0.89
02:25:02.600you know you know a cookie cookie pizza on the side and it's like there's going to be some
02:25:08.460disagreements here about what's best but at the end of the day one's going to be better than the
02:25:12.600other in the end of the day i tell you what it's always a knife fight over here on uh stuffed crust
02:25:17.480nationalism but that's the way it should be and i think that's what's interesting is that there's
02:25:22.900more and more people migrating to our it's it's kind of weird to spatialize this like the way i'm
02:25:28.740saying it but there's more people who are taking to our ideas especially women just because you
02:25:35.200know what was formerly like the dirt bag left like that was the cool edgy leftist they're allowed to
02:25:40.940say slurs now and again and they're allowed to laugh at heterodox things but even they people
02:25:45.760like they aged out of that that's not cool anymore they got lame we're watching brianna woo of all
02:25:52.060people uh socialist democrat is on trigonometry right now saying the woke came for me too i'm not
02:26:00.320doing an impression of brianna because this is what he sounds like it's it's a an insane man in
02:26:06.220a dress uh like a bernie bro gamer gate veteran who's like you know though the woke's gone too0.99
02:26:13.100far and so they're coming over here because all their ideas are dog shit like californians0.98
02:26:20.040fleeing to texas and i think there's a lot of people who are greeting them with open arms0.99
02:26:24.900i'm not thrilled about that we don't actually need that many friends we're allowed you know
02:26:30.200like i think we've been proven cool by how lame they've been and the worst thing that we can do
02:26:37.560is to like accept them and let them dictate what's acceptable over here now and that is the thing
02:26:44.380you're correct about this like sub culture of the right is like the right has basically had
02:26:50.260like the teeth kicked in for like 100 plus years at this point it's just been beaten to death with
02:26:55.340like a whip essentially in the middle of a cornfield if you would like to use a crude metaphor
02:27:00.460and it's just it's just used to be taking abuse and abuse and abuse from its you know
02:27:05.380estranged husband and like basically it can't leave that relationship and like if somebody
02:27:12.320just comes along and just says well i could beat you a little bit less but like you got to change
02:27:17.400some of your ideas here we're still going to keep things fundamentally the same but we're just going
02:27:22.120to quirk it so that i if the revolution stops where i want it to be essentially and that's the
02:27:28.620problem with the right it's way too welcoming of people who say even the most modicum of
02:27:34.420disagreement with the similar outcome right and the greatest example of this i could think of is0.98
02:27:39.280like uh what was that like black bimbo whore who like everybody on the right was obsessed with1.00
02:27:46.500during like the covid thing right and she said like uh the vaccine was going way too far and0.99
02:27:54.220that was the one thing she said i think it was uh madonna or something like that one of these like
02:28:00.140you know people and all the people on the right were suddenly like well we love madonna now she's0.99
02:28:05.060one of us and it's just like uh you morons uh you're being played here essentially yeah the0.94
02:28:13.960covid narrative is actually a great the covid narrative is actually a great example of that0.98
02:28:19.820sorry i just muted you by accident um because like we started seeing a lot of liberals start
02:28:26.540to try and take those what they previously called conspiracy points and adopt them as their own
02:28:31.620they just say like well we never we actually never liked the covid vaccine i don't know what0.92
02:28:35.700you guys are talking about like that was a weird thing and you need to be a bit of a psycho to still0.89
02:28:40.360keep hammering away at that but i am that type of psycho where i'm going to keep bringing it up
02:28:45.300people think it's weird to still talk about covid it didn't happen that long ago it was a big weird
02:28:50.320thing that happened and there's a lot of people who kind of want to move on so that was almost
02:28:53.640like a test case to be like are you really going to grab a hold of this thing and ride it all the
02:28:59.600way to the bottom. But anyway, I wanted to get back to the Old Glory Club conference. I was wondering if you could
02:29:07.360summarize, just what were some of the big takeaways for you, what you had learned at that conference? From the
02:29:14.260perspective of, let's also set this up, from the perspective of a Zoomer, would you say that the attendance was
02:29:22.060kind of young and what spoke to you as a young man?
02:29:27.680So from my perspective, the audience who came, it was1.00
02:29:31.320definitely a lot of quite a bit of Zoomers. There was also1.00
02:29:34.180based Gen Xers and millennials there too. These are your Dave's,
02:29:38.920your last things, you know, Prudentialists, some of these
02:29:42.840people. But you had a good mix of Zoomers in there, I would say1.00
02:29:46.720maybe like 40%, 30% in total of everybody who attended. We had1.00
02:29:51.120around 140 ish people who came to this conference um and as to what spoke to me the most i think it
02:29:59.480was just the raw energy of these young men who are just like no we're done with this system we're
02:30:05.000going to burn it to the ground we are going to outlast it we're going to build something to
02:30:09.260replace it we are going to build the institutions of the future and become the new counter elite
02:30:14.600and it's just this energy raw energy right of like listen we're going to win this fight we're
02:30:21.000going to fight you know what i mean like our lives are on the line here our culture is on the line
02:30:25.240here and it's that like fire breathing spirit of men with like fire in their chest that's what
02:30:31.780really spoke to me i think yeah i was reading an article in jacuse not long ago whoever wrote it
02:30:38.180escapes me but i covered it on one of the episodes of real secret coffee hours which is our paywall
02:30:42.920show but it was you know you need to believe in the inevitability of your own ideas and there's
02:30:48.920a few people who talk like that not a lot of people talk like that a lot of people are very
02:30:52.600morose about the practicality of their own worldview but there are a few who believe
02:30:57.960even if they don't fully believe it but they praxeologically believe in the inevitability
02:31:03.260of their own you know not not not even a utopia but their values i think that's what separates
02:31:09.880our side from a lot of leftists that i i do think there's two animating forces behind
02:31:16.400And this very big bucket of the left, one is a sort of naive utopianism, but and another is just outright hatred, hatred for specific groups.
02:31:26.360And that that need not even be white people or certain ethnicities, but it could also be, you know, the rich or landlords.
02:31:34.200A lot of it. And that's actually a pretty good way to organize and animate people to tear something down or kill someone.0.72
02:31:41.160It works effectively well. It's kind of hard to sell people on the collectivism of ideals. And that's something we've kind of been beating our head at for most of my life and experience in this space. But I think we're doing a better job of it by believing in the inevitability of it, and then actually picking targets that are opponents to those values, rather than thinking that, oh, our values are eternal, so we can just kind of wait it out.
02:32:08.560I was like, no, no, no. The vitality of your ideas and worldview are eternal, but they do have
02:32:17.160opponents and enemies that you need to take down or neutralize in some way. I think there's a lot
02:32:22.540of people who are thinking more practically right now, and I like that. That's what Mean
02:32:27.480Prudentialist we're talking about, which is that you don't need one grand strategy that addresses
02:32:33.960everything but as an individual or a crew let's say it's you and five guys which is the ideal
02:32:40.580organization for this like you can pick a reasonable goal and you can execute that goal
02:32:47.220whereas i think you know year like 10 7 years ago around there it was way more common for you know
02:32:56.620you entered the space you're a young guy and you believe in certain heterodox things or you know
02:33:02.380you've been cast out of polite society for whatever reason you're always you're trying to
02:33:06.260join an army there's a lot of guys and i would argue that america first is a lot like this too
02:33:10.840a lot of the guys involved in that like i want to join this big movement and i think there's a move
02:33:16.780away from that i think there's a move away from like i'm looking for an army to join i'm looking
02:33:21.380for a leader or a dictator uh there's been enough cults of personality that i i'm not sure that
02:33:27.440that's going to excite people anymore or it's not going to excite the people who know better
02:33:31.600um what do you think about that no i think you're correct and that was actually a big thing that we
02:33:38.300discussed during the event was these uh these certain leaders of uh the ghost of alt-right 1.0
02:33:43.740and kind of their mistakes and follies which cost them everything essentially right and obviously
02:33:49.140uh the grippers are one of those factions essentially and what you have here with
02:33:54.100these people is just like now they originally probably didn't have good intentions uh they
02:33:58.820recognized society was firmly against them and they were radicalized by gamergate so they understood0.90
02:34:04.620like listen you know our favorite media is being destroyed by women and sjw's and feminism0.96
02:34:10.420and if we don't do something about that we're just gonna have like the gray goo video games forever0.98
02:34:17.680that's forever mediocre and gay and that is one of the that was the greatest thing to radicalize0.51
02:34:23.340young people and i'll explain why it's not because sargon is based it's not because gamergate you0.93
02:34:27.660You know, exposing Anita Sarkeesian was such an epic win, even though it was.
02:34:31.460It's because you pulled the wool off the young man's eyes, right?
02:34:35.920Because that's what video games did, right?
02:34:37.540They kept you in the matrix, in a sense, right?
02:34:40.260Because you had this endless distraction, which provided you with fake brotherhood,
02:34:45.780fake sense of achievement, and doing something with your time, right?
02:34:50.400That included this concept of friends.
02:34:54.480people used to meet in lobbies and video games right and those are three things med need to
02:35:00.640thrive in society those three things brotherhood um commitment and like a sense of achievement
02:35:07.360right and once you took that away they became angry and vitriolic and they wanted to attack
02:35:13.040the person who did this to them because they realized oh wow the world is not what it seems
02:35:18.720uh that you know the land beyond the curtain is not what i was told it was going to be
02:35:23.120and these people filtered into these guys who told them what they wanted to hear
02:35:27.920you know what uh you mentioned something very interesting there which is you know you were
02:35:34.480sort of defining your meeting place as online we used to meet in game lobbies and things like that
02:35:41.020which is a very distinctly zoomer thing to do um that started with my generation but you know
02:35:46.600with millennials and it seems silly to demarcate the generation like that because we actually have
02:35:51.700a lot in common. But online wasn't the primary place where people met. And I know we covered a
02:36:00.420couple of books, Republic, and Emancipation of Authorship, which is exploring the sort of fifth
02:36:07.660wave technological revolution that made online spaces and online identities the primary place
02:36:15.020where people would meet and how that has granted them certain powers to attack authority that you
02:36:22.340might not have had before, even if you were meeting in salons, even if you were me, because
02:36:27.180there's always intellectual movements, right? There's always sort of decentralized, you know,
02:36:33.660thought leaders, and they would communicate. And there's a whole network theory behind that.
02:36:38.720But one thing that, you know, people would think that the internet revolution empowered the
02:36:44.380individual. It didn't really, it empowered communities and identities. So it's, this goes
02:36:52.120kind of deep, but there's this idea of the people and then also the public. So the people were
02:36:57.380always abstracted. There's no real such thing as the people. And this is where I think Marxists get
02:37:02.900caught up, but there was always the public sphere. Juergen Habermas talked about this in his book
02:37:08.860about the transformation of the public sphere, which is basically about the formation of the
02:37:12.020bourgeoisie as sort of the educated class. So you had the sort of population, then you had this
02:37:17.500little, this like stratosphere above it. They were still the people, they weren't aristocrats,
02:37:23.320they weren't princes, but they might be, you know, slightly wealthier, but more educated and more
02:37:28.440interested in philosophy and these ideas. So they had sort of aristocratic interests, but they
02:37:33.420didn't really have power, not compared to the center power, not compared to the landed gentry
02:37:39.740or whoever it might be so what you actually saw in in you know history this was a very you know
02:37:45.960very fragmented thing but if anything with the information revolution we propagated more publics
02:37:53.080so there's more there's still the people as this sort of non-entity but that mask can articulate
02:38:00.140itself way more with way more smaller public domains and make these sorts of communities that
02:38:06.200have that can weaponize themselves against the power structure more interesting ways and that's0.99
02:38:11.740the world that a lot of zoomers came up in that they are completely acclimated to that whereas
02:38:18.800gen x kind of got into it later um a lot of them would have gotten into the early internet in their
02:38:24.80030s and 40s millennials like myself would have been when we're teenagers zoomers are raised up
02:38:29.660that in that sort of environment so there's almost no correlation between any of that and the real
02:38:38.060world by the real world i mean you know clubs and and if anything our space is kind of trying to
02:38:46.220recapture that by getting people offline and into more like active clubs manor buns you know whatever
02:38:54.140they call it shoot just getting out of church groups you know get offline and and reformulate
02:39:00.300these sorts of relationships um and that's a very long-winded not even a question more of a comment
02:39:07.100really but i'm wondering what you think about that and if that sounds true to you no it does
02:39:15.100sound true to me um especially the way you talk about how the internet was able to be used to
02:39:19.660organized peoples right and different disparate tribes of people so the group i can think of as
02:39:25.880a prominent example is incels or people who can't get laid um to be more crass right and these are
02:39:31.880just young men who essentially have kind of realized that like there's nothing in it for0.80
02:39:37.280the system and that for them the system hates them uh they're the wrong skin color to receive0.90
02:39:42.700sympathy from the progressive apparatus and the only way they could possibly get sympathy or gibbs0.97
02:39:48.620is if they truons themselves essentially so it's like total submission total castration0.83
02:39:53.740to receive you know your pittance for you know some total submission right and they were kind of0.98
02:39:59.200like most of them were kind of like well i don't want to do that so the alternative was um to follow
02:40:05.380these desperate uh charismatic thought leaders that kind of started with alt-right 1.0 like the
02:40:11.280very beginning of the trump era in like 2015-2016 you know people like richard spencer james allsup
02:40:17.600um nick fuentes um vincent james um there's a couple others in there as well trs guys
02:40:24.380mike enoch these people right and essentially what they captured was essentially what injure
02:40:30.980tate built his brand off of right it's these young broke men who have no prospects in life
02:40:37.800and are addicted to prawn and don't want to change themselves and so they're just angry
02:40:44.440angry young men who have nothing going for themselves and well you have to preoccupy
02:40:50.240your time with something and it's going to be video games as we just discussed before because0.98
02:40:53.460the video games are gay and retarded now so it's going to be abstract political baseness right and0.95
02:41:01.060what do i mean by abstract political baseness i mean things like people who convert to islam0.98
02:41:06.140because of muhammad beating women with a whip right things like this right abstract reasons
02:41:12.160which sound based in rad pill to them right but are actually attacking their native culture and0.79
02:41:18.560hierarchy and subverting them however they don't really care they're not like bought into the
02:41:23.020system right because they're so um moved to the fringe right so that's basically an open
02:41:27.620it's basically like an open taxi you could just take over if you wanted to if you had the will
02:41:33.520and capital to do it right that's essentially what these people pulled their audiences off of
02:41:38.280Yeah, that is true. And if you if you look at that human capital, which is aggrieved young men, people are very concerned about where they're going, what they're doing, because they are agents of change, especially if they're white guys.0.73
02:41:54.060They're the ones who are troublemakers, usually, especially to the state. And those tend to populate our spaces pretty heavily, not as much as you might think, but I would say the majority still.
02:42:06.460um but i do wonder if there's two things you can do with that group one you're not supposed to say
02:42:15.000but the one that you know even the andrew tates like to do is corral them into a plantation where
02:42:21.480you just kind of feed them content and take their money and offer them courses and things like that
02:42:25.860it seems that that is always inevitable unless your goal is to weaponize them in some way or
02:42:33.000direct them away from yourself so it seems in this case the irony would be that you know to
02:42:39.480take a leadership position for these young men would be to gather them up around you but i think
02:42:44.360what people are starting to feel it's like well that's a dead end what you want is someone who's
02:42:48.560going to get people and almost educate them and send them out to better their lives because no
02:42:54.480one's lives are better by gathering around a content creator that's just that's just that
02:43:29.700and how to like you know rebalance everything and now it's all like black guys making fun of whores1.00
02:43:36.260which is good entertainment don't get me wrong we who doesn't like making fun of whores more than me0.99
02:43:42.500nobody however it does feel like a lateral step in the whole men's rights you know what are young0.94
02:43:50.080men to do uh we're still kind of yelling at whores but what so to to solve the incel problem0.91
02:43:56.340you would almost need an anti-leader you need someone who wants to bestow leadership qualities0.98
02:44:03.320to everyone they meet which is completely antithetical to how a lot of these guys
02:44:08.080operate now what do you think about that well yeah that's absolutely true like these kind of
02:44:13.680ideas outside yourself like things like you have to go work out you have to go be social you have
02:44:19.000to go make friends like build like networks right and business like life to be successful as a young
02:44:24.500men because like they do have a point with their grievances they are agreed by the system0.95
02:44:28.500they don't have women that's true like here's the thing either you like take action or you0.99
02:44:34.820bitch on the internet forever and you vicariously live through andrew tate thinking that somehow0.99
02:44:39.980you're going to become him one day so you could be a degenerate like him essentially because that's1.00
02:44:44.680what these people are doing right it's living vicariously with this like fake notion in their
02:44:49.040minds right if they just spend enough time watching their videos or pay enough money
02:44:53.680at hustlers university hey guys i hate to break it to these guys or maybe i do like to break it to
02:45:00.100them it doesn't take a whole lot of skill to start an online casino and traffic in very very poor and1.00
02:45:08.780very very sad women idiots do it all the time you don't need to be a fucking mit graduate to be a1.00
02:45:16.400pimp right you can do it that's a lot of people they choose not to because it's it's reprehensible1.00
02:45:22.180it's actually not that cool if you if you see andrew tay with his sunglasses off he looks like
02:45:27.520a strange loser you know i mean like if there's just no shirt tight enough to actually make this0.98
02:45:34.080guy cool he's the type of guy who couldn't even pay a hooker to fuck him so he had to actually1.00
02:45:40.020own hookers you know i mean like elon musk he doesn't need to pay for sex andrew tay couldn't1.00
02:45:45.900even pay for sex you had to turn women into capital and put them into a bank account so you0.99
02:45:51.180could have access to them that's not what you guys want you want you want to and this is one thing i
02:45:55.500say about incels because i remember the rise of the incel movement a lot of people are like oh0.60
02:46:00.780these guys just they just want to get laid why can't they just pay for a prostitute and me when
02:46:07.020i would listen to them i would always hear they seem to be looking for love more often than not0.98
02:46:11.340they want a girlfriend because they know they can go on you know only fan not only fans uh tinder
02:46:18.400and well they can go watch porn every day of the week if they want to there's like endless0.98
02:46:22.720consumption of that garbage you know throwing at their like you know trough essentially right but0.55
02:46:27.760what they want is genuine stuff which is hard to come by that's why i don't even like incel because0.95
02:46:32.680i remember the first guys who started using incel these really were unhinged men who are pissed off
02:46:39.000they just couldn't have sex but for me i look at the movement it's like lonely guys but that's0.90
02:46:44.600different than guys who are unfuckable and i would argue most incels most incels are also
02:46:50.280temporarily incels i've seen guys like claim their incels and they just got divorced or something
02:46:55.000it's like no you you had it and you just you're going through a dry spell but that's not all a
02:46:59.480dry spell isn't an identity we've all had that look everyone's been divorced every
02:47:06.040everyone's got two ex-wives you don't need to make a whole political ideology behind it right
02:47:12.060but i'm curious from your perspective as a zoomer and this is one thing we wanted to talk about i
02:47:16.800don't know if we talked about last time but where i'm kind of locked away from this where where's
02:47:22.680the incel thing at are there is that still a problem have people kind of move past that or
02:47:27.340is that still a big issue for especially young men now i would say it's actually gotten even
02:47:34.660worse than when we last talked about it um i think the number is like uh three out of ten no it's
02:47:41.580like five eight out of ten men have had sex in the last year basically and it's only growing right
02:47:47.780and you can live vicariously through these like online fantasies and that's obviously a part of it
02:47:53.560but i think the bigger thing is just like the sheer apathy of young white men because on a deep
02:48:01.180psychological like subconscious level they realize that the system is fundamentally against
02:48:07.640them and their interest and there's no place for them in the new future so why bother showing up
02:48:13.500for it when you can have kfc and porn every day and play video games i think that's a bigger
02:48:20.340deeper subconscious reason for why it's growing why it's a big thing and why it's still a big
02:48:25.980thing it's not changing because at the end of the day right a lot of the reason men used to
02:48:30.820forward relationships was because society pressured them to do so otherwise they were going to die
02:48:35.960and leave no offspring right and also because there was also another reason behind that as
02:48:40.820well as just because you wanted an offspring even though it's inherently a good thing
02:48:44.100it's also kind of because um this is my train of thought here it's because you don't want to be a0.94
02:48:51.760loser you don't want to be the community um you know dunce at the end of the day like these people
02:48:57.620have always existed in society right basically the untouchables and undesirables um who are kind0.91
02:49:04.820of thrown out and like now that's an attractive identity in the place of anything genuine and
02:49:10.580meaningful right i think that's the deeper reason why obviously there are ugly people
02:49:15.300and those people have always existed in society you're always going to have the
02:49:18.520that one percent of the bell curve right but that's not that's not the majority of these
02:49:24.020people that's not even like two percent of these people the majority of these people is just sheer
02:49:29.640apathy yeah and what's interesting is i can you know i'm starting to relate that a bit to the
02:49:36.320iq bell curve as well because you mentioned the bell curve and this is a position we've taken
02:49:41.640before in the past it's that uh just for people who haven't heard it um the bell curve popularized
02:49:47.660by charles murray his book the bell curve a lot of people haven't actually read that book very
02:49:52.780interesting book. They concentrate on the race part in the middle, which is true and valid and
02:49:58.080brave. But the message of the book overall is that, yes, there is a bell curve for IQ. It's
02:50:04.960mostly gathered at average IQ, but there's extremes at both ends. And it's true that the black IQ1.00
02:50:12.200bell curve is a couple of standard deviations to the left of the white one. So on average,0.99
02:50:18.360their stupider. However, the main takeaway is that despite that, there's still a lot of low IQ1.00
02:50:25.600whites, no matter how you slice it. And something needs to be done with them because unskilled labor1.00
02:50:31.380is evaporating. We don't have ways for these people to support themselves. And from a system
02:50:38.300point of view, any system that generates enemies to that system is a broken system. And those
02:50:44.780systems tend to collapse and you can look at that completely you know on a unemotionally right it's
02:50:52.320not a value judgment on the system it's just it doesn't work if it generates too many enemies
02:50:56.200and so if you have a courtship system any or a civilizational system where the that left tail
02:51:05.080of that bell curve has already exist always existed there's always going to be people too0.97
02:51:08.200ugly to fuck right but what we're noticing just like the iq it's that it's swallowing up more and0.97
02:51:13.840more of the middle of that bell curve. There's more average people. In the IQ sense, there's0.99
02:51:19.200more people of average intelligence who can't find jobs. They are falling into that low IQ
02:51:24.160bucket functionally. So they're being locked out of what used to be afforded to higher IQ people.
02:51:30.700So they have strange bedfellows with very low IQ, sometimes criminally insane people. But now
02:51:35.620there's people who are not ugly and completely unfuckable. Regular guys, regular gals who are0.99
02:51:42.640being grouped into that bucket as well and that's that's a system that's unsustainable i think and
02:51:47.660we can quibble over causes but to me just from a system's point of view this system has generated
02:51:54.060too many enemies to it and they're going to just destroy it at some point and i don't know what
02:51:59.020precisely that looks like um that could just be the complete cratering of birth rates uh that could0.92
02:52:05.380be uh an epidemic of rape i don't know like there's gonna be some weird shit that happens
02:52:10.880The only thing that could head that off at the pass are environmental or biological factors. I'm thinking too much plastic in the blood, dropping testosterone levels, crippling apathy and nihilism. Those could stand in the way as well.0.96
02:52:28.460But that's also just another type of systems collapse as well.
02:52:32.840That just means that it cannot be course corrected through sudden or even tyrannical violence, which is used to be what happened in the past.
03:38:45.560to uproot and like consume it there's no place you could go for that you have to destroy the
03:38:52.540modernity itself to save your society it's like it's like saying you can reason with cancer
03:38:57.740so that it won't kill you no that's not how this works that's not how reality works yeah
03:39:03.900and also like we were talking about before um the transition to the sort of fifth wave
03:39:10.680information-based culture has given many individuals more power than I think they're
03:39:18.420used to in the past. But one problem that we have is that we tend to talk about everything
03:39:24.120metapolitically. And when we talk about collapse, and by metapolitically, I mean not just in
03:39:29.520everyday politics and parties and politicians, but almost like when Spengler was talking about
03:39:36.140civilizations like these vast organisms these huge broad strokes and so when you say like
03:39:41.580something like modernity will collapse and when modernity collapses traditionalism will take over
03:39:47.240as if these are organisms unto themselves that just move under their own power forgetting that
03:39:54.600it just takes people to do these things like tradition isn't just some spirit that will be
03:39:59.620revived on its own it takes people to revive it and to live it and to actualize it every day and
03:40:05.020that could be you that could be you and your family but like i was saying before and this
03:40:09.040is something i always come back to like you need to figure out what traditionalism if you want to
03:40:14.340call it that makes sense um and this is why you know you see so many conversations about vitalism
03:40:20.640you know and i've got some issues with the vitalism because you know i'll get into that
03:40:25.060in a later episode but at the core of it they're trying to identify like what is it about that
03:40:32.360which reproduces that is beautiful and positive like they're trying to like drill down all the
03:40:38.140way to the bottom about like you know there can be dysgenic things that propagate or there can be
03:40:43.620eugenic things that propagate right so we need to how does that manifest on an individual case-by-case
03:40:49.880level as like a politic and also a practice that you can lead every single day yourself
03:40:55.700and so i think that's how people need to think about this like you are an agent of change
03:41:00.800This starts with you. If you want to talk about surviving the bottleneck, well, that starts today. It's not going to happen for you. The collapse and then rebirth isn't going to happen without your directing it or your direct involvement in it.
03:41:15.300And that's why when I hear you talk about the old glory cup conference, I think that's the wave that more and more people are riding right now. Whereas historically they were more trying to, I found more people were trying to make predictions in the past. I have no interest in predictions. I very rarely seen predictions be right.
03:41:34.600geopolitically they tend to like from our space especially they tend to be wrong so why do we do
03:41:40.340them like but that was in the past we're trying to talk about big metapolitical issues and call0.62
03:41:45.140shots and predict where things are going to go none of that actually fucking matters you know
03:41:50.160i mean because if you can predict where things are going to happen you should be making money0.57
03:41:54.660off of it and if you're not that means you don't have faith in your predictions and then why are0.56
03:41:58.820you fucking doing them none of this is manifesting as anything practical and that's where i think0.90
03:42:04.380some people are at right now which is like forget all these big fucking narratives what are we doing0.99
03:42:09.220right now to actualize the world we want would that be accurate i don't think you're completely0.52
03:42:15.700right it's like listen the world that like society that we want is not going to come about
03:42:21.040out of like some like um michael idea of like taking advantage of the collapse it's not how
03:42:27.580this is going to work even if like that scenario did happen and things collapsed um you and your
03:42:33.160like desperate group of people are not organized enough not strong enough and don't have the
03:42:37.960resources to even take advantage of the collapse so it probably would be some lesser group of
03:42:43.000progressivism that would take over that's more organized more financially backed more networked
03:42:48.020essentially who like essentially wants it more than you do and believes they have the right
03:42:53.260to take over essentially that's why this like fanciful right-wing idea of the collapse is a
03:43:00.120major cope none of these people are ready to take over even if the collapse happened tomorrow
03:43:05.340you wouldn't be ready to take over you wouldn't have the resources the connections the network
03:43:09.660so you could take over you'd be a desperate group of tribesmen raiding a walmart to steal food to
03:43:15.300survive basically is what most of these people would be and probably wouldn't make it much past
03:43:20.900a week if i had to guess judging by their physical uh acumens yeah and you know for guys especially
03:43:29.560on our side like we're always trying to find friends we're always trying to find international
03:43:33.360allies in my opinion who don't that that's not a two-way street usually so some people are hoping
03:43:39.260that you know russia or the brics nations will defeat america and usher in a new you know new
03:43:47.120glory days of multi-polar peace and whatever and they'll be based they won't be degenerate but you
03:43:53.740know if you look into like bricks by which i mean brazil russia india china south africa0.63
03:44:00.540africa but like if you look at each of these on a case-by-case basis the china is wildly0.77
03:44:07.600degenerate like if you actually like i my co-host who spent some time in china is like you have no0.99
03:44:12.800idea what pieces of shit they are like if you think la is bad on like how they view human life0.97
03:44:20.180and how they do like drugs and drinking and degeneracy like even in japan something like0.99
03:44:26.840like 60 of people have had an affair like crazy weird stuff like there's no like based trad
03:44:34.960nation out there period they hate america for geopolitical reasons and this is sort of a power0.99
03:44:42.300politics you know situation that we're dealing with but like russia is pretty fucking degenerate0.97
03:44:47.940if you actually think about it like they're not they're based in so far as they they say sometimes0.97
03:44:54.500they hate gays but do they really you know what i mean like their views of these things don't
03:45:01.000might not even line up with ours you know we here's here's a thought i had on this like0.77
03:45:07.560hyper criticality of your own people and culture that is like dominant on the american right and
03:45:13.100like every right it seems in europe right it's like they see the problems of the current regime
03:45:17.820they see the problems of the west they say it's degenerate they see it's declining they see all
03:45:22.020these problems so they become very hypercritical however the problem is they don't put a boundary
03:45:27.360on the hypercriticality at the source of the problem they they they come to the conclusion0.61
03:45:33.280the third worldists do that like white people and similar to the left actually even though they0.98
03:45:38.560word it differently internally is that white people are inherently degenerate inherently evil0.93
03:45:43.300this will never inevitably happen and the only way to get the space traditional futurism0.95
03:45:47.980is if we become like based like um based black africa like wakanda idea or based like slavic
03:45:55.640russia that's the only alternative right because you're so hypercritical of your own people and
03:46:00.340your own um ethnos that at a certain point you don't even you you like look to these outside
03:46:06.080forces to fill your fantasies what you wish your people were right that's where a lot of this comes
03:46:12.260from this like uncriticalized hypercriticality yeah and also and you mentioned this before about
03:46:19.080uh you know people who kind of view islam favorably you know a lot of like the white
03:46:24.240sharia types of guys will look at his i'm like look hey they subjugate women they don't have a
03:46:29.100feminist problem like buddy we used to subjugate our women too we were pretty good at we just did0.97
03:46:35.380it our way we can find a new way to do it without slapping them in burqas because by the way i don't1.00
03:46:40.620if you've noticed most women in burkas kind of let themselves go that's not what you want like1.00
03:46:45.840it seems like 90 of them turn into like fat hags why because they're wearing a burka what are you1.00
03:46:51.880going to do and they haven't figured out a way to stop that you know so that's a that's a trade-off1.00
03:46:57.220i don't think we're prepared for because we still like ladies who are easy on the eyes all right so
03:47:03.280we can figure out a way to get women back in the pocket without having to like switch religion1.00
03:47:10.580or say that you know they're they're right about you know they don't have any strategy that we can0.99
03:47:16.620really borrow and apply here well though it's looking to the foreigner like here's the thing
03:47:23.740like a lot of these criticisms like they do the same thing the progressives do actually
03:47:28.220they look to the foreigner as like the the like a noble savage right who's uncompromised by
03:47:35.680immaturity wealth and power essentially and is all good right all knowing right this is where0.92
03:47:40.780the idea of like enlightened india comes from right is the this like idea and essentially the
03:47:47.200third world is some like um some of the vitalists believe this too except they word it differently
03:47:53.160and have a different internal structural monologue for why their version of it is actually good
03:47:58.800essentially and they're both wrong here they're both an outside force which is destroying the
03:48:04.280western civilization they want to save yeah um and also a lot of the vitalists they're more
03:48:11.160into like i've seen a lot of you know sub stacks and posts come out of them like you guys are being0.96
03:48:17.180too mean to sluts you should be nicer to sluts i'm like no we should be mean to sluts because0.98
03:48:24.380we should desire women don't want to be that you have to you have to create some kind of social0.99
03:48:29.240pressure for that not to be desirable but uh there's a lot of people on our side who are trying
03:48:35.780to take the wind out of the sails on a few of our wins we've actually done pretty good at you know
03:48:42.140shooting arrows in the knees of feminism you're too mean we should read camille paglia again no0.99
03:48:49.340fuck off we're doing a pretty good job of showing that this is a dumb thing for women to believe1.00
03:48:55.220and they're they're kind of gravitating away from that but you have to keep the pressure up1.00
03:48:58.860keep making fun of sluts keep making fun of e-girls there's literally no reason to listen to an e-girl0.98
03:49:07.120and and remind them of that there's no idea that they've ever come up with that there's some guy1.00
03:49:11.680that hasn't done it better and if you if you if you subscribe to a woman's sub stack i'm gonna1.00
03:49:17.780tell you right now i'm gonna find you and i'm gonna i'm gonna collect your fucking skin0.99
03:49:22.640too many men are subscribing to women and i don't like it and i'm bringing out the fucking gallows1.00
03:49:29.720because i'm cleaning house and i'm not even calling it simper i don't even want to if you0.99
03:49:34.920listen to a woman's voice that's not your wife hey buddy you're uh go lay on the train tracks
03:49:42.240why don't you well i think you're definitely right about that it's this like single motherhood
03:49:48.740basically the women's mindset and prerogative that has been installed into men because they've
03:49:53.960been raised by their single mommies um all their lives and dad was a loser who was uh divorced and
03:50:00.080like forced out of the house right and basically all they were raised with was the female imperative
03:50:06.000the female idea of the world right and that's what they're going off of and obviously they0.96
03:50:11.460cope with these terms and ideas to cloud that or obscure what they actually are1.00
03:50:15.720at the end of the day, it's a female mindset. It's how they're pursuing these things. That's1.00
03:50:20.720what makes them weak and gay at the end of the day.1.00
03:50:25.540No, I agree completely. I'm wondering if there's anything we didn't get to, because we need1.00
03:50:29.920to, I need to get going shortly. I think we actually covered everything I wanted to. I was
03:50:36.640wondering if before we left, if there's anything that you had on your mind, having left the Old
03:50:43.260glory club conference anything else that kind of pikes your interest i think one of the things
03:50:48.660that piped my interest was like how we can get more of this because this is what we need in
03:50:54.620actuality to be successful groups of hyper organized people who are willing to do the hard
03:51:00.200things irl to build the things to build the institutions that are going to take time but
03:51:06.240are going to be necessary if we're going to take care take advantage of the coming collapse uh shall
03:51:10.840we say of uh the liberal world order uh when and if that does indeed happen like this like
03:51:18.960organization and spirit um that we need to cultivate more like action essentially is what
03:51:25.520i mean but like action is directed in a positive direction just action for the sake of action is
03:51:32.320not what we need that's actually an inherent negative yeah and i think um one thing i've
03:51:39.860always been fascinated by especially on the furthest reaches of the far right the stuff that
03:51:44.920no one wants to associate with anymore you know those guys have always been pretty clear on what
03:51:50.860their goals are and it seemed that as we drift towards the center of the more reasonable distant
03:51:57.940right their goals become muddied and they talk about you know vagaries and stuff but you know
03:52:04.160So just I'm going to say an unoptical thing, you know, the whole like 14 words that you would get from the National Socialist.0.99
03:52:11.800Like, well, that's a fucking goal.1.00
03:52:13.740You want a future for white children.1.00
03:52:16.120That's you want white children to be safe.0.92