00:46:46.880expected sometime in 2025 and that's a great point it's like you should know before you're voting
00:46:51.940right like you you need to know and you should know fast because they're going to forget about
00:46:57.380this in three months it's like the fetus in the womb by leonardo that got me feeling like
00:47:03.020certain parliamentarians also responded to request to foreign actors to improperly influence
00:47:10.000parliamentary colleagues to benefit another country and disclose confidential government
00:47:14.640information to a known intelligence officer of a foreign state um it's not clear what information
00:47:20.360was left out at the prime minister's request when asked if she could guarantee that the liberals
00:47:25.440will eject from their caucus any parliamentarian found to engage in activities freeland would not
00:47:31.100make that commitment so that all you're saying is like okay if you find someone is treasonous can
00:47:37.020we at least expect them to be kicked out of your party and she couldn't definitively say i mean
00:47:42.120that right there yeah i i my jaw is on the floor i think it's reasonable to assume that the party
00:47:51.680is maybe controlled like maybe it's it could be because the person is too high up they don't want
00:47:58.640to throw them under the bus it could also be that the control goes so deep that it isn't one mp it's
00:48:03.740like 15 of them the ombudsman is probably going to wind up you know face down in a puddle somewhere
00:48:09.500and um there's no way to dial it back and they know that so they're trying to brush it under
00:48:15.080the rug as quickly as they can i've been saying for a long time like either china or india alone
00:48:20.080is large enough to puppet us like at a distance very easily because yeah they're huge economically
00:48:26.260they're huge countries they could do all and we we mock them all the time because on average the1.00
00:48:31.420people from those countries are fucking dumb savages but the countries themselves are monstrous0.99
00:48:37.680So, like, compared to Isla, we're a very, very small country.1.00
00:48:41.200Yeah, and my suspicion, and I can't even call this a prediction, but I'll say my suspicion is that as bad as the Conservatives are,
00:48:50.720and the Conservative Party of Canada is certainly infiltrated by forward interests and, you know, forget Zionism, that's an obvious one, but, like, other nations as well,
00:49:02.000my suspicion is that the liberal party
01:03:38.160That's always a funny thing to me, the idea that whenever there's right-wing populism, they want to pin it on Russia, they want to pin it on foreign.
01:03:46.120I remember during the trucker protest, Trudeau was trying to pin it on Trump because all these Trumpists are all influencing these poor Canadian boys.
01:03:56.200and it's like the it's the leftist socialist globalist um cadre of people who have all the
01:04:05.420money at their backs because there's so much global interest in that system being maintained
01:04:11.280small localized populist nationalist interests by definition have nobody because we're for us
01:04:19.360and us alone you know what i mean the only people who would want to back us would be people who
01:04:23.780really just want the country the country to collapse because some of us are kind of okay
01:04:27.580with that but i mean aside from that it's not like you know what i mean it's not like the chinese are0.56
01:04:31.860starting to steal our resources well russia's involved why because russia wants canada to fall
01:04:36.480apart why would they want that that doesn't i mean that's like it doesn't even make sense
01:04:41.700whenever like a lib or a progressive wins at politics our side says you know what i could
01:04:47.500see how that could happen whenever we win anything or we collectivize in any way the unanimous
01:04:54.900reaction from the left is this isn't supposed to happen like it is they are thunderstruck
01:05:00.860and we're very rarely thunderstruck i don't think many of us are actually that surprised
01:05:04.860when biden does something we can we at least try to see a few steps ahead but i can't get over how
01:05:10.420like amazed and baffled the left is that these people they actually vote i never thought they
01:05:16.740would vote this is the this is what you wanted you called this election someone made a good point
01:05:22.720it was that uh france tried to lower the uh voting age to 16 and they successfully did that
01:05:28.960because they bought into the meme that young people are all progressive leftists and uh that
01:05:36.020was a bum hunch um i'm not saying that this is going to completely pan out for us sure it can
01:05:42.280be subverted in some way sure these leaders can you know trip themselves up because remember you
01:05:47.640know i always people forget this but we thought we won with brexit by we i mean the right i mean
01:05:54.320brexit was the last massive win to you know finally stem the tide of mass migration into
01:06:02.240the united kingdom a big public populist thing did that work did that happen
01:06:08.400was there a course correction at all not really so you know even when we win you know we we tend
01:06:17.100to be a bit more dour about like yes we won the big show okay but what does that actually mean
01:06:23.260what does that mean for the next five years and i think people on our side even when we see this
01:06:27.680it's like oh look what this is is taking the temperature of the public good that means
01:06:33.760something obviously means more people are on our side but what do we do with that because remember0.91
01:06:39.160democracy doesn't mean anything even when we win democracy doesn't fucking mean anything
01:06:44.440if it's just left up to the system the system hates them still so yeah of course um and another
01:06:50.400story is i'm looking at the new york times right now this will have been published uh just a couple
01:06:56.620days ago really in germany far right party rises to second place in the eu election and this is
01:07:03.980the afd who we've talked about before you know the martin selner's outfit the afd's gains were a sharp
01:07:10.660rebuke to chancellor olaf schultz's governing coalition and a sign of the rightward political
01:07:16.880shift across the continent i am wondering like why now is is this just things have gotten so bad and
01:07:24.720it takes that long for the pendulum to swing do you think because is it like is this just the how
01:07:30.420long it's taken us to keep beating this drum before the average person heard it or is there
01:07:35.300something else going on you think i don't know i i because yeah i think it just takes a long time to
01:07:41.820to heat up people and i think there's also kind of a snowball effect like we're talking a minute
01:07:47.120ago about people who are like we're not comfortable talking about things out loud at the bar but as
01:07:52.040soon as you get a couple of people who are comfortable talking about it at the bar you
01:07:55.380notice that there's other people and that allows them to talk and that allows others to talk and
01:07:58.940then it can it can expand so i think um the fact that a lot of these things are entering the
01:08:03.940narrative and people are a little more comfortable talking about re-migration for example which is
01:08:08.140afd's big thing re-migration the fact that that is now a headline mainstream topic is huge and
01:08:18.780And yeah, of course, once people feel comfortable talking about that, you're going to see it happen because everybody, if you can get them to honestly admit it, yeah, like 95% of everybody wants these people gone.
01:08:30.160So just reading the article here, the right wing alternative for Germany party won a record number of votes in European Parliament on Sunday in a sharp rebuke to the governing three party coalition in Germany.
01:08:42.260The party known as AFD captured 16 percent of the vote, placing second behind Germany's conservative Christian Democrats.
01:12:08.720Hello everyone, I will be talking about the EU election from a German perspective
01:12:14.720and some of the issues surrounding the results
01:12:20.720Despite how it looks like the right wing won, like overall, the Christian Democrats, the conservatives, the populist right wing, like they all numerically won, but there are issues brewing because now there is real power on the table.
01:12:36.400And all sorts, a few months ago, when van der Leyen, who is the EU commission president, which is basically the EU commission, is the executive branch of the EU, and so she approached Maloney, who is the leader of the EU party ECR, and basically she approached Maloney for her support, in exchange for power, like actual deciding power.
01:13:04.980And this has caused Le Pen to try and approach Maloney, and one of the ways she has tried to do this is through a spurious reason of kicking out the AFD, out of the ID, EU party, which is the right-wing populist party, is identitarians.
01:13:29.620And the reasoning they used was that Maximilian Krah, who is the leading candidate of the AFD, he had a question of if all SS soldiers were war criminals, he said no, not all of them.
01:13:48.120But this is all just an excuse, because the real issue here is that the AFD is very much pro-remigration, mass-remigration, and Le Pen not so much, and Maloney not at all.
01:14:04.120And I had to approach Maloney to try and get something going with her, we kicked out the AFD.
01:14:12.120And the only ones to help to the AFD is the FPÖ from the Austria, the Austrian right-wing populist party,
01:14:18.120and the party from Estonia, Estland, the Legia de Salvini party or whatever the name is called.
01:14:28.120They voted with Le Pen and the party from the Netherlands, Gads or whatever it's called, Wilders party or something like that, whatever the name is.
01:14:45.120So that is like, there's a break in the Rettling populists on the EU sphere.
01:14:53.120And there are rumors that this break would become more permanent, there is a tokening happening because the lead candidate, Maximilian Krah, who said that stuff, he was basically kicked off his position at first, and the new lead candidate was decided, and there is now also talks that he would be basically without party affiliation.
01:15:19.480He's basically the reason why the AFD did so well amongst the youth.
01:15:24.140And they basically kicked him in the back, like stabbed him and kicked him while he's down.
01:15:30.540They did that so that they could re-approach Le Pen, who was trying to re-approach Maloney.
01:15:37.680And that's not the only thing that's happening.
01:28:31.920which translated to english was released by imperium press that wasn't the copy that i had
01:28:36.840but there is one i was going to buy from them before i found this one at a used bookstore but
01:28:42.980um it was written by george sorel and um it was written in 1908 and it's uh and it says
01:28:51.040reflections on violence what it really was is a reflection on the development of french syndicalism
01:28:57.500so it's concentrating on a very narrow window of time um and some people might not have patience
01:29:05.180because it's first of all it's french so a lot of people are tuning out but then it's also from
01:29:09.980a leftist what we might call a leftist perspective what we might call the perspective of someone who
01:29:14.920is very friendly towards syndicalism and marxism serell's economic orientation was out of
01:29:23.340Sinicalism and Libertarian Socialism in retrospect he's often referred to as a libertarian Marxist or Marxist
01:29:29.280Sinicalist similar to the American revolutionary
01:29:31.920Sinicalist and libertarian Marxist Daniel de Leon the only difference between their versions of socialism was that Daniel de Leon was generally opposed to
01:29:40.860Anarchism and in favor of a withering way state correctly labeling himself a Marxist
01:29:46.820while Surrell was in favor of a swift abolition of the state.
01:29:51.040Surrell was many things other than a proponent of socialism,
01:29:54.420as he was quite notably a theorist of scientific structures, an unlikely critic of realism.
01:29:59.300He was not a Marxist, despite his claims to be,
01:30:03.040as he bluntly criticized materialism and every manifestation of it at every opportunity possible.
01:30:08.980But he's talking about, he's showing a lot of inside baseball here,
01:30:12.940about how he feels the syndicalist movement has fallen apart or betrayed its principles or where
01:30:18.840they went wrong in their grand revolution and the basis of this is anything that starts or any book
01:30:28.960that starts with reflections on you can be sure it's going to be sort of a meandering not heavily
01:30:35.020structured not like an essay by any stretch of the imagination but he does touch on a lot of
01:30:39.380interesting points here about the you know to put it very simply the value of violence
01:30:45.360and the whole message of the book is that these political revolutionary movements became inert
01:30:53.720when they stopped seeing violence as their main motivating factor george's sorel is one of the
01:31:00.780founding fathers of revolutionary cynicalism his seminal work reflections on violence is as
01:31:07.200relevant today as it was when published in 1908.
01:31:10.820It addresses the hijacking of the working class struggle by the parliamentary left,
01:31:15.840the failure of democracy to bring about better conditions for the working class, the insufficiency
01:31:21.320of economics, and the importance of myth to the revolutionary cause.
01:31:26.640Suel was one of the first to redefine class struggle outside the confines of Marxist
01:31:32.140economicism um and throughout the book he kind of a it's a lot of history so if you have an interest
01:31:40.060in these sorts of political movements from a french perspective um maybe like it's almost
01:31:46.360the opposite of edmund burke who's giving his appraisal of the french revolution as a british
01:31:53.060outsider this is from the guts of the revolution from someone friendly towards it but saying that
01:31:58.840you know we lost our nerve when we stopped seeing the actual destruction of this system as the main
01:32:04.280goal and that was relevant to me when we look around and we talked about this previously on
01:32:12.360revolt of the public we had a summary of these populist revolts from occupy wall street up into
01:32:20.180the january 6th protest and we'd made the argument before which is like you know if they were going
01:32:24.820to treat you as treasonous seditionists you might as well have killed a couple of people because
01:32:31.440otherwise what is the purpose of a protest and the protest that we engage in these days and i say this0.73
01:32:38.880from the left and from the right and from the anarchist perspective all these protests all
01:32:43.280these sit-ins or where they go lie down on the ground in large numbers what are those supposed
01:32:50.400to do are they supposed to inform people on an issue they don't really um are they supposed to
01:32:57.060send a message to the politicians they already know um the purpose of violence previously was to
01:33:03.520a destroy the institutions and actually kill the people or to spook them to spook them into some
01:33:09.820sort of change um we don't even do that now and if you look back at the old you know even union
01:33:16.120riots in the mid to early 20th century you could have 20 people dying at these riots so like
01:33:21.920strikes used to be real things where people got their heads kicked in and people were shot
01:33:26.640and arrested and that never happens now but even then he would say that look these riots
01:33:33.440threatening violence you're threatening violence because you think that's enough to get their
01:33:39.500attention and bring them to the table for a negotiation but he says it's in the process
01:33:45.920of that negotiation that you lose your nerve because a great many of the leaders of these
01:33:50.440revolutions they just want to be in a sense elected to that bourgeois upper class right
01:33:57.620which is i think is actually true and then nothing i like this guy already yeah um so i'll just read
01:34:05.720some things he says here he says for a long time i've been struck by the fact that the normal
01:34:09.440development of strikes has included a significant number of acts of violence revolutionary syndicalism
01:34:15.860keeps alive the desire to strike in the masses and only prospers when important strikes accompanied
01:34:21.220by violence take place socialism tends to appear more and more as a theory of revolutionary
01:34:27.300syndicalism says to examine the effects of violence it's necessary to start from its long-term
01:34:32.880consequences and not from its immediate results we should not ask whether it is more or less
01:34:38.340directly advantageous for contemporary workers than skillful democracy but rather ask ourselves
01:34:44.960what will result from the induction of violence into the relations of the proletariat with society
01:34:50.320we're not comparing two kinds of reformism but want to know what contemporary violence is in
01:34:55.640relation to future social revolutions so he's making the argument that we should take the long
01:35:00.220form of violence which sounds somewhat psychopathic but it's like if i do a nasty uncomfortable thing
01:35:07.880now will that make this relationship better five ten a hundred years in the future whereas our
01:35:15.160discourse right now is centered on you must never do violence ever that means that they win a lot
01:35:21.480of people have accepted that framing where it's like no if you raise your fist that means your
01:35:26.280enemy wins how and he's saying that that's maybe the only thing that's ever worked some other
01:35:32.920other examples i don't know the american revolution i don't know you know you might not like the
01:35:37.940french revolution but it seemed to get what it wanted it just turns out what it wanted was bad
01:35:44.180you know but it did succeed it succeeded in what it wanted so did the communist revolution the0.88
01:35:50.680communists got everything they fucking wanted and it collapsed for other reasons um it says
01:35:57.900today parliamentary socialists no longer believe in insurrection if they still sometimes speak of0.98
01:36:04.320it it's to give themselves an air of importance they teach that the ballot box has replaced the
01:36:09.360gun but the means of acquiring power might have changed without there being a change of mental
01:36:14.780attitude um and you know he he does need to mention the bourgeois the concept of bourgeois
01:36:22.280Because, you know, if anyone has listened to our discussions on Marxist literature or any of these thinkers, the bourgeois is an interesting entity.
01:36:30.960And one thing I think, at the very least, these people get correct is that the systems of power are able to create pressure release valves that allow people sort of the illusion of revolution or the illusion that they are raising their fists and enact change.
01:36:48.500But really, that just strengthens the system overall.
01:36:51.500he just has a part here that i'll just read in full he says capitalist society is so rich and
01:36:57.980the future appears to it in such optimistic colors that it endures the most frightful burdens without
01:37:03.480complaining too much in america politicians waste large amounts of taxation shamelessly in europe
01:37:10.520military preparation consumes vast sums each year experience shows that the bourgeois allows itself
01:37:17.120to be plundered quite easily provided that a little pressure is brought to bear and that they
01:37:22.160are intimidated by the fear of a revolution the party which can most skillfully manipulate the
01:37:29.080specter revolution will possess the future i think that's an interesting note that the entire idea of
01:37:35.000revolution itself can be commoditized by systems of power or even manipulative leaders and i think
01:37:42.740i don't think there's a way around that i think that's the problem that george sorel like he this
01:37:46.900was written in 1908 um i think these these writers that they lived to see the commoditization of
01:37:52.960revolution they would see that oh like this it's almost like revolution is impossible because
01:37:57.880the language has been so adopted by institutional actors right like can you vote for a revolution0.98
01:38:04.440many politicians would say yes like fuck ron paul ran on that ron paul a you hey who doesn't0.94
01:38:12.200like ron paul we all love ron paul um maybe even rand paul we're cool about but yeah these guys0.98
01:38:18.760are running on a revolution platform that doesn't make a lot of sense does it no the like the social
01:38:26.440democrats are also running on revolution is revolution something you can vote on sorel would
01:38:31.300say no it must exist outside of that system if you have revolution within that system it's not
01:38:38.160revolution and it can only serve to strengthen the system itself i'm not saying that these the
01:38:44.320people who run these organizations are bad actors or feds or corrupt but i just think that
01:38:51.280revolution itself can't can't even really be attempted like that anymore and that's what
01:38:56.480i was getting at the start where like you will have people have mass movements pumping their
01:39:01.120fists in the air even adopting the iconography of revolutions from the past like you know a
01:39:07.840a good example would be every time there's a protest you'll see people wheel out the guillotines
01:39:14.740the prop guillotines the very fact that they're prop guillotines means that this isn't going to
01:39:21.040be taken seriously right you you know enough to make the fake guillotines to like signal like
01:39:26.380ah this is what we're thinking well they know you're not because you didn't even make a real0.97
01:39:30.600fucking one even better you didn't create a better method of killing there's better ways to do it0.99
01:39:37.620now you should show up with a big jar that just says nanomachines nanomachines that kill1.00
01:39:45.120politicians you might as well do that or walking with like a big gun that says gun that shoots0.99
01:39:52.720politicians you know in a big prop hand that you have to fucking paper mache head that's what that0.99
01:40:02.720looks like to them he says for a very long time the revolution appeared to be essentially a0.98
01:40:09.100succession of glorious wars which a people famished for liberty and carried away by the
01:40:15.040noblest passions had maintained against a coalition of all the powers of oppression and error the
01:40:21.540riots and the coup d'etat the struggles between parties often devoid of any scruple um in a word
01:40:27.580all the events of political history were in the eyes of our fathers only very secondary accessories
01:40:32.080to the wars of liberty i think there's a lot of truth in that as well the conservatives are not
01:40:39.060mistaken when they see in the compromises which lead to collective contracts and incorporative
01:40:45.440particularism the best means of avoiding the marxist revolution but they escape one danger
01:40:50.880only to fall into another and risk being devoured by parliamentary socialism that's an important
01:40:57.660thing here like he sees the adoption of socialist policies by the parliament as a failure like he
01:41:05.740would look on what canada is as a failure even though it is a socialist government right but
01:41:12.020you would say no that's not real socialism because it should be look something more like
01:41:16.560you know something more marxist or arguably something more anarchist it's like it once
01:41:23.000again it's the adoption of the revolution by the center of power that completely nullifies the
01:41:28.740revolution entirely he says not only can proletarian violence ensure the future revolution but it also
01:41:35.300seems that the only means by which the european nations stupefied by humanitarianism can recover
01:41:42.000their former energy this violence compels capitalism to restrict its attention solely to
01:41:47.280material role to restore it to the warlike qualities it formerly possessed he says this
01:41:53.200ties into what he was saying before about the necessity of violence not out of like hateful
01:41:59.120revenge even though there are a great many marxists and leftists who are just killing out of like
01:42:04.800bitter envy or dysgenic hatred but he says everything in war is carried out without hatred
01:42:11.600and without the spirit of revenge in war the vanquished are not killed non-combatants are
01:42:16.640not made to bear the consequences of the disappointments which the armies may have experienced
01:42:21.760the more syndicalism develops by abandoning the old superstitions which came to it
01:42:27.840from the yanshin regime the more will social conflicts assume the character of a simple
01:42:32.240struggle similar to those of armies on campaign so he's making a case that look
01:42:37.200just because it's violence doesn't mean it needs to be ugly once you understand the necessity
01:42:42.960of violence carry through you know it doesn't need to be this humiliating butchery but
01:42:50.920once you think of it ahead of time it's like well then you can actually carry it out
01:42:55.220uh which is more of a serious way of looking at it i think it says here it may be said too that
01:43:01.960the greatest danger which threatens syndicalism would be an attempt to imitate democracy it would
01:43:08.000be better for it to remain content for a time with weak and chaotic organizations rather than
01:43:13.440it should fall beneath the sway of syndicats that would copy the political forms of the bourgeoisie
01:43:19.000the revolutionary syndicalists have never yet made this mistake because those who seek to lead them
01:43:24.640into the imitation of bourgeois methods happen to be the adversaries of the syndicalist general
01:43:29.400strike and thus have stood self-confessed as enemies he says here um there are so many legal
01:43:36.800precautions against violence and our education is directed towards so weakening our tendencies
01:43:42.000toward violence that we are instinctively inclined to think of any act of violence as a manifestation
01:43:47.420of a return to barbarism uh paul barack was extremely surprised to find in norway a rural
01:43:54.700pop now this is cool i like this part um it gives an interesting example here paul barack
01:44:00.160was extremely surprised to find in norway a rural population which had remained profoundly
01:44:06.240christian the peasants nevertheless carried a dagger at their belt when a quarrel ended with
01:44:11.800a stabbing the police inquiry generally came to nothing for lack of witnesses ready to come
01:44:16.840forward and give evidence the author concludes thus in men a soft and effeminate character
01:44:22.200is more to be feared than their feeling of independence however exaggerated and brutal
01:44:27.320and a stab given by a man who is virtuous in his morals but violent is a social evil less serious
01:44:34.560and more easily curable than excessive profigalcy of a young man reputed to be more civilized.0.77
01:44:41.520So he's just given the example of a Christian community in Norway where they were armed and0.78
01:44:48.360violence. And you might even call this a high trust society where if someone is stabbed,
01:44:54.640the police would be like, well, there must have been a good reason. And that we defend
01:44:59.640our civilizational right to stab each other more than we want to defang the population and
01:45:07.020parallel to that could be in america and americans will never say this because it's bad pr it's bad
01:45:14.360optics but it's no one wants to stay on the side yeah i'm willing to tolerate mass shootings
01:45:19.580because i think guns are that important the nra kind of says that but not it sounds too morbid to
01:45:25.140say but it's like how many dead people and like infinity infinity dead people i think it's i
01:45:32.080actually think it's more important for society for us to have that capacity to shoot each other
01:45:36.240than to feminize us and also infinity is not on the table the actual number of kids dead in school
01:45:43.000shootings is nothing in comparison to the number of people that are dead from you know being
01:45:49.420defenseless so it gives another a bit more historical context here about the forces that
01:45:58.820kind of separate us from that because that was a common circumstance to live in and it wasn't
01:46:04.980christianity that bred or brainwashed that instinct out of people you had christian societies
01:46:11.160fuck america's a great example you have a sensibly a christian society where everyone has guns0.99
01:46:16.100People think that's the peak of hypocrisy. I think that's a great example of how it can work and how it did work for a long time.0.99
01:46:24.160He says our penal code was drawn up at a time when the citizen was pictured as a rural proprietor occupied solely with the administration of his property as a good family man, saving to secure an honorable position for his children.
01:47:03.980I would much rather live amongst the ancient1.00
01:47:05.980Germans at the risk of being killed on0.90
01:47:08.060occasion than be obliged as i am in modern cities to look on every man as a swindler or a rogue
01:47:14.360unless i have evident proofs of his honesty i like that too like the the fear of actual physical harm
01:47:22.780in a rare instance is preferable to living in a post-industrialized world where everyone is just
01:47:29.580a fraudster and a cheat and that is tolerated by the courts whereas in these societies if you were0.80
01:47:35.940stabbed or beaten up it was might be assumed that you did you lied and we when you're a liar you get0.98
01:47:42.800punched in the face and that was allowed and now in this society and the one we live in now there0.78
01:47:47.740is no reason acceptable to even hit someone in the face unless you're a woman you know and that
01:47:55.380that that is in his mind and i think that's anti-civilizational yeah it's natural to want
01:48:03.400to like lynch people for like defrauding old ladies right yeah but you know we also live in
01:48:10.140a society where there's scammers who rip off old people all the time and we think it's kind of
01:48:14.680funny and we shouldn't we should be finding these people and stringing them up you know
01:48:18.200yeah it says here we're never really given uh a full explanation of the actually i'll just read
01:48:26.320this part he talks about socialism he says the socialist point of view is quite different from
01:48:31.140that of the former democratic literature our fathers believed that the nearer man approached
01:48:36.280to nature the better he the better he was and that a man of the people was a sort of savage
01:48:42.500that consequently the lower you would descend down the social scale the more virtue we find
01:48:47.680it's it's kind of crazy to hear like a french syndicalist talk like that that sounds like
01:48:52.480your typical sort of right-wing vitalist there or just your guy who likes to lift and eat raw
01:48:59.760turnips right in support of this idea the democrats have many times called attention
01:49:04.420to the fact that during revolutions the poorest people have often given the finest examples of
01:49:09.260heroism they explained it by assuming that these obscure heroes were true children of nature
01:49:14.660i explained that these men being engaged in a war which was bound to end in either triumph or
01:49:21.620enslavement the sentiment of sublimity was bound to be engendered by the conditions of the struggle
01:49:28.520When politicians intervene, there is almost necessarily a noticeable lowering of ethical standards because they do nothing for nothing and only act on the condition that the favored association is with their customers.
01:49:40.820We are very far here from the path of the sublime.
01:49:43.540We are on that which leads to the practices of politico-criminal societies.
01:49:48.340and he just to summarize it here he says the early socialists had an intuition of this law
01:49:55.980when they act they asked each other should produce according to his abilities but they
01:50:00.140did not know how to explain this principle which in their utopias seemed made more for the convent
01:50:05.180or for the family than for a modern society the preceding explanations have shown that the idea
01:50:10.580of the general strike constantly rejuvenated by the sentiments provoked by violence produces an
01:50:17.400entirely epic state of mind and at the same time bends all the energies of the mind towards the
01:50:23.640conditions that allow the realization of a progressive workshop we have thus recognized
01:50:29.140that there is a strong relationship between the sentiments aroused by the general strike which is
01:50:33.640a form of violence and those which are necessary to bring about a continued progress in production
01:50:38.440so you know that's he's relating this all to how we progress to the ideal society but
01:50:43.880what he's really doing is connecting violence to energy and will rather than something that's
01:50:52.680ugly and animalistic um and he was just saying that you know the perverse living standards in
01:50:59.700a city are much less desirable than the the simple violence which can still be civilized
01:51:08.160in a sense as you approach nature so and that is more desirable that is even more relatable
01:51:14.580than living in these sort of this labyrinthine kafka-esque you know machine that we live in now
01:51:20.980and i think there are people that i think people recognize that without being able to say it
01:51:27.140because we must ask ourselves why do we have these protests i actually don't understand it
01:51:34.080um there's some protests you know like we talk about occupy wall street or like patriot front
01:51:40.700or something a big public show could be a way to popularize an ethos or to like send an alarm that
01:51:50.060attracts new recruits even but really for most other protests like they don't seem to have any
01:51:58.480other function if it's not just a marketing thing if it's not just a promotional push to show look
01:52:04.260how normal we are there actually is no reason behind any protest it's just you're mimicking
01:52:10.400something that was known as the general strike and the general strike was just a a violent upswell
01:52:17.120and it needed to be violent because otherwise it's just a bunch of people like showing up and
01:52:21.640saying we're here well the your oppressors know the government knows they're hoping and now they
01:52:28.460know that you know but what does that mean what does that actually change what triggers that
01:52:32.900change because you're assuming that the powers that be were just ignorant to you what would
01:52:37.440lead you to believe that what would lead you to believe that the people who are orchestrating
01:52:42.340your suffering aren't aware of what they're doing just like january 6th like you know
01:52:48.400what was the goal here we need to let them know that we're dissatisfied with their rule it's like
01:52:56.100uh-huh because they hadn't noticed you should have like invalidated the whole election by like
01:53:03.520burning down the capital i don't know like there's a way to do it without killing anyone but you
01:53:07.580needed you need something insane like if you're fighting the system you need to fight the system
01:53:12.580if you do believe the system is corrupt you need to act like it and it and what he was saying is
01:53:17.020you can't you can't use that as a bargaining chip you can't use that as a loud proclamation to get
01:53:23.740yourself in the back room to hash out a deal because he's saying well you're just going to
01:53:28.140compromise your ideals and most of the time it's just a way for the leadership
01:53:33.540of that revolution to get themselves an ideal spot within the center of power which will
01:53:39.100eventually just nullify the revolution entirely and we say revolution but we could apply this to0.87
01:53:44.280any fucking movement whatsoever um and people tend to place their their faiths in these leaders
01:53:50.360but that's just a vector of control that can be exploited but anyway like just to summarize like0.97
01:53:57.820i really like this book because it did show what or it reminded us what revolutions and strikes
01:54:05.560used to be um it really does make us wonder like what are we doing because i i made a comment
01:54:12.360on prudentialist stream and i think this was behind the paywall but i was sort of opining
01:54:19.860that this this was my favorite sentence of the entire thing which is that we need a new form
01:54:26.680of political violence because it's not going to be guillotines it's not going to be effigies it's
01:54:34.480not storming the palace um people for whatever reason that that's just not the language people
01:54:40.060have right now but i said that because i do believe it and because i do believe that's coming
01:54:44.780and the same reason that the tactics of war are also changing
01:54:49.360based on technology, based off of education,
01:54:52.380based off of an awareness of the enemy.
01:55:05.460It's removing individuals from power or destroying institutions,
01:55:08.880which usually is just removing people from power.
01:55:11.820It can be destroying the buildings, but what is the building?
01:55:13.780the building is just a symbol what you are doing is clearing them out as bowden would say
01:55:18.640but it wouldn't be pitchforks and torches and i just started thinking like imagine waking up
01:55:25.620one day and you look turn on the news or you're scrolling your feed and just this story comes up
01:55:32.740maybe it's even reported by cnn and it's just that you know a shocking amount of politicians
01:55:40.260from either party have committed suicide over the past month or they've just disappeared it's not
01:55:48.640like a big public hanging it's just hey we've noticed that you know a third of the individuals
01:55:54.940of either major party have jumped off the same bridge over the past month we don't know what
01:56:02.020that's about we don't know who's responsible we know something's going on but it just seems like
01:56:07.880this strange phenomenon anyway and that's what it is because that is how violence is executed now
01:56:16.560it's through psyops it's through you know getting people to do things for you or triggering people
01:56:22.560to go crazy it's like well what if that was turned around of politicians what if you aimed0.97
01:56:27.360that psyop at one of the fucking geriatric who's running the party and that's how people see what's0.98
01:56:34.280happening but there is no culprit it just it's a strange thing that happens like one day0.98
01:56:39.480they just vanished we don't know the their cell phone was in their office we don't know where
01:56:44.580they are and we don't know we looked into it we don't know what's going on they're just not there
01:56:50.200anymore maybe they flew themselves into the ocean you don't fucking know but it's just it's a a form
01:56:56.740of violence that is not graphic but everyone still interprets it as purposeful violence right right0.77
01:57:03.240And it's using, it's leveraging every bit of technology that the people or these groups would have at their disposal.
01:57:11.920Anyway, I just wanted to articulate what I think, like when we talk about political violence, it's not 20th century, 19th century violence, but think about what that could look like.0.99
01:57:21.660And it's hard for me to say this without advocating for it, but I'm like, you might turn on the TV one day and start saying, yeah, politicians are just like blowing their fucking brains out.0.95
01:57:31.720you know in a in fields like there's just like some weird commonality that can't be right0.98
01:57:38.440incidents right right right right or or they all have the same brand of headphones on
01:57:43.560and they're listening to the same song something weird like that that's what i imagine uh it could
01:57:49.020be and it would take serious commitment from someone an organization the exact same amount
01:57:54.540of organization that it would take to form a general strike but this would be the new form
01:58:00.440something like a general strike it is sending a message but it's it's not tied to any individual
01:58:07.300or leader so you don't even know how it it would be from a sound of this amorphous blob that the
01:58:14.580center power doesn't even understand that's just an interesting thought anyway yeah i know we gotta
01:58:21.600get ahead you know but what do you think about all that i like that one that this is a i might
01:58:25.760even read this one i i think i like this i think i like it i had a feeling you would it's got a
01:58:31.280good title too reflections on violence how many times can you read something like that how many
01:58:35.740titles have you seen out there i'll read it twice i'll read it twice right now all right i'll talk
01:58:42.980and uh i'm here with dimes who does blood satellites um i i'm sure some of you are
01:59:04.660familiar with him um if you're not i guess my first question for you would be why is your show
01:59:10.420called Blood Satellites? That's a good question. And we used to get asked it a lot more. So there's
01:59:16.320a couple of different versions of the story. My co-host, Judas, who's not here, unfortunately,
01:59:21.400but he has a slightly different one. My memory is just, it was an inside joke between me and
01:59:26.040my friend groups. It started off by saying that it was something to the tune of, we were going to
01:59:30.920keep our legacy alive by having our blood orbit the earth in a satellite. And then people would
01:59:38.420hear that and then they start they would hear blood sally but not the explanation and start
01:59:42.840concocting all their own answers about it's like it's like it's a blood and soil thing or it's
01:59:49.520apparently i didn't know this apparently a blood sally it's also like a forensic description of a
01:59:54.260blood splatter from you know a murder so it's like a murderous thing and so yeah there's a lot0.53
02:00:00.100of like extreme interpretations but it really is just some dumb yeah it usually is it usually is
02:00:08.260uh because it's also why is there a dollar sign in the title yeah exactly
02:00:13.000what same reason like it just yeah it's just funny i just said yeah i like money and i like
02:00:21.740dollars yeah yeah yeah me too um yeah the symbol of the podcast is is basically a banana like uh
02:00:29.460like for jay burden people drop the the beaver emojis in the chat and for me they do the uh
02:00:35.640they do the bananas and that's just because there's a book about bananas being like a sacred
02:00:40.180fruit and how they like or i mean yes sacred fruit in a lot of cultures but also like the the banana
02:00:47.100is super specific in how it reproduces and it's different from all other plants um it's a great
02:00:52.540book um i love that for a while yeah yeah i love any anytime the chat just takes it and and does
02:01:00.380it on their own that's something that's really special to me because um in my professional life
02:01:04.740at work in marketing um and so that's something that marketers have always tried to capture
02:01:11.200it's that virality and they've never done it because they can't but they always try and mimic
02:01:17.460some kind of popular upswell people doing a thing on their own like a miracle and then yeah so i i
02:01:25.900spent my entire career watching people tried and replicate that and it's like you try it just
02:01:32.900doesn't it doesn't work it's like giving yourself a nickname um and i've known people who tried to
02:01:38.220do to try to do that that's why i got dimes i didn't give myself that that's how you know0.94
02:01:43.540it's honest because it's again some dumb shit yeah yeah um it really is it always is i i got0.91
02:01:53.440called sparky for a month because i uh i short-circuited a whole fob um but that's a classic0.97
02:02:00.740nickname too that's one that like that's kind of cool too but it's got a story behind it yeah
02:02:07.220yeah exactly um so marketing i just saw this thing on instagram i thought it was a brilliant
02:02:14.360marketing campaign um so the story behind it and i'm not sure it's true uh i think it probably is
02:02:20.240because like you said they never come up with this on their own but there's this woman um young
02:02:25.700woman, probably like, I don't know, early twenties. And her company has like, it's like a drink
02:02:32.660company. I don't know. I don't remember the name. I have her followed on Instagram now though.
02:02:36.480And their whole marketing team, she like started an Instagram where all she did was smash the cans0.99
02:02:42.940of this thing and in a bunch of creative ways and creating these, these videos on Instagram.
02:02:49.120And like six months in, she's got over a hundred thousand followers. And, and like in the,
02:02:53.100in the descriptions is like my boss says if i get to 500 000 followers he'll like give me a
02:02:59.900promotion or something but now like my boss if i get 500 000 followers he'll suck my toes that's1.00
02:03:05.800why she's getting there a woman smashing x is going to get you a million followers and it's1.00
02:03:11.800the wrong type of people you don't want those well apparently they're getting more sales on0.99
02:03:17.940their drink i don't know though they might have to rebrand towards this intern but um i bet that
02:03:23.820she's better at marketing than everybody else in the firm can say or well yeah everyone else in the
02:03:28.920firm it's a freaking it's a drink company but they have a whole marketing department
02:03:33.080it is a hovertizing um and there's a value attached to that and there's like all these ways
02:03:40.860if people watch youtube videos or they're into uh like homesteading videos or they're into like
02:03:47.440the gun community people will have noticed that the thumbnails for these youtube videos started1.00
02:03:52.580incorporating really just tarted up women have nothing to do with the video they're literally1.00
02:03:58.420just there to get clicks and then it's just some guy teaching you about the new fucking0.88
02:04:03.180sas or something and it works it does it works it works for me every single time it's yeah not0.96
02:04:10.380gonna work on me yeah yeah she doesn't even like she's not like dressing provocatively or doing0.98
02:04:17.160anything but she is a young attractive woman and she's out there doing it but her campaign is funny1.00
02:04:22.660like it's also funny like she's she's like hitting the can with golf clubs and stuff
02:04:27.520um and then the actual page is just some corporate bs thought up by somebody with no creativity
02:04:34.640she might have come up with that herself too because that almost doesn't sound like something
02:04:40.380that came from an agency or a marketing department it sounds a bit too funny and random for like a
02:04:46.280a room of six of the most dull people you could possibly imagine it would never get past it like
02:04:52.300someone would bring up that idea and they would be like yeah let's uh let's circle back to that
02:04:56.640and then they never would even though it's better than anything they came up with and an intern did
02:05:01.980it an intern i don't know if she's being paid i hope so they would overthink it all these ideas
02:05:08.040uh there it's you know designed by committee but imagine everyone talks about like movie designed
02:05:13.640by committee but imagine an idea designed by a committee it's the worst thing you've ever thought
02:05:18.520yeah it's because nobody would individually come up with it so it's just not even human relatable
02:05:25.720because it's not it's it's made up by a conglomerate um an aggregate okay i could just say
02:05:31.900i know we gotta probably move on other stuff but i would say if if that idea were pitched
02:05:36.920in a boardroom the first thing they would say is okay but does it need to be our product
02:05:41.980can it be well it can't be a competitor's product okay what if they just smash what she smashes
02:05:47.200things oh what if she smashes the patriarchy and then here we go and then you can't say that's a
02:05:53.480bad idea you're not allowed to say it's a bad idea so now you've designed the worst thing you've ever
02:05:58.400seen yeah yeah seriously um but no it seems like she just came up with this on her own and she just
02:06:04.380smashes the can and there's a million ways to smash a can and it's one thing and people know
02:06:10.400what they're getting so they come back for it um smashing cans so the first thing i wanted to bring
02:06:18.220up to you is i saw you on with somebody and you were talking about this idea of uh these like
02:06:25.420crypto states um and i'd love to go over that with you because it's it's such like a uh you know i i
02:06:32.500talk about on the podcast a lot the differences in how people organize themselves um and how that's
02:06:38.920related to the, not the level of technology, but what technology they have. Like, you know,
02:06:44.500the traditional, if you listen to modern psychology and anthropology, it's like 150 people is like
02:06:51.480the natural caring capacity of humans. Yeah. They call that Dunbar's number. I believe it's around
02:06:56.480like 120 to 150, something like that. Yeah. And it's, there's a bunch of evidence for why this
02:07:01.240is a thing. And I find it pretty convincing personally. I'm not saying I don't, but it's
02:07:05.280like it's like this is a tribe or a collection of tribes that would be broken up into um into a
02:07:12.380bunch of bands that are extended family groups and that would meet up and then maybe they meet
02:07:16.900up with some other people at other times um like specific times and just to drill into that a
02:07:23.120little bit um the dunbar's number that the description i don't have it pulled up in front
02:07:27.120of me but it was something like it's the amount of people that you can have a meaningful relationship
02:07:32.540with where it's not just like you're an acquaintance or you're aware with like the
02:07:36.340maximum amount of people you can have a direct one-to-one good relationship with that's about
02:07:41.700the level of a tribe and tribe is the word they will constantly use yeah yeah and and tribe gets
02:07:48.960sometimes like you know the the definition of a tribe goes like so much more broad now like you'll
02:07:54.600have a native american tribe but really it's like thousands of people or even more than that
02:08:00.380whereas that's more than a tribe but a tribe is in anthropology at least in the contextual
02:08:05.240definition it's uh it's much lower once you get up to the the level of like a chiefdom then
02:08:11.180there's there's more political complexity there's rules for um there there's rules for who gets the
02:08:17.920leadership afterwards whereas like in tribes and bands it's uh it's generally leadership just by
02:08:24.880um what's the word it's a consensus it's like there's no there are obviously like values that
02:08:32.600any specific society has it's based on their environment but the actual reason that people
02:08:38.800follow that person is not uh it's it's not official it's not like there aren't like
02:08:45.380bureaucratic rules behind it yeah it's not litigated uh it's like pre-constitution and
02:08:51.880a constitution might actually, or a Magna Carta or some other document might emerge from that,
02:08:58.400but this predates that. And in case I don't get to mention this later, I'm sure you're familiar
02:09:03.880with this book and many of the listeners, but I was just reading this book and we'll get to the
02:09:08.740network state in just a second, but this ties into that. I was just reading this book that
02:09:12.440I got to very late and I wish I didn't because it's so good. The Collapse of Complex Societies
02:09:17.940by Joseph Tainter. It's one of these books where every single page, it's got something
02:09:24.520fascinating on it. But he was describing what a collapse is, what is a civilizational collapse.
02:09:31.840And we think of that, we think the entire thing is decimated and falls into ruin. But he describes
02:09:36.760it, and I think this is more realistic, I'd be curious to hear what you say, of just more of a
02:09:40.760stepping down in complexity. So what's interesting is a lot of the times when a complex state falls,
02:09:47.000it actually just reverts back to its maybe founding tribal orientations. It doesn't just
02:09:52.540dissipate entirely. Oftentimes it goes back to the tribes who then maybe scatter, but it's just
02:09:57.740like a lower resolution, sometimes on purpose or by design, rather than just, it just disappears
02:10:04.100one day. And I thought that was an interesting way of looking at it. Yeah. So this is actually
02:10:08.480perfect because what I was about to say is that leadership is contextual. And in the sense of like
02:10:13.480a hunter-gatherer society, you're not going to have these official rules. I'll do a middle
02:10:20.280example, though. Like in Rome, in the Roman Empire, you would have these consuls, or I'm
02:10:26.360sorry, pre-Roman Empire, the Roman Republic, you have these consuls, but the consuls are only given
02:10:31.760military power and this tyrannical power before tyrannical became a negative term. It's a neutral
02:10:37.420term of a tyrant, they would get this power when they needed to have it, and then they would give
02:10:43.460it up, right? And this is one thing that heavily inspired our own constitution. And in hunter
02:10:48.720gatherer societies, oftentimes what you'll have is that for certain times of the year,
02:10:53.560in certain situations, certain people will be in charge. And then in a different time,
02:10:58.140someone else will be in charge. In the 17th century in New England, there was this war,
02:11:03.060um medicom's war also known as king phillips war and this war was like it was the war that killed
02:11:12.620the largest proportion of the american population at any time um obviously it's pre-actual united
02:11:18.280states but it killed a like a two three four percent of the european derived population of
02:11:26.540the united states it was a complete annihilation war on both sides between the new england
02:11:30.760Confederation, the New England colonies, and their native allies versus most of the rest of
02:11:37.220the natives in New England. Southern New England mostly is where it happened. And the leadership
02:11:44.580of this guy, King Philip Medicom, he was somebody who was not in charge for most of his life. He
02:11:52.560was a warlike dude. He was very violent, and he was judged to be too... He wasn't right for
02:12:02.380leadership at any other time, but he becomes right for leadership at the time when they need that
02:12:07.200type of thing. And leadership is contextual in that sense. When you need a certain person,
02:12:13.240you do one thing. When you need someone else, you use someone else. In the Roman Empire,
02:12:18.080the Roman Republic, they have the consuls, they get tyrannical power when there is a war where
02:12:22.860they need to be in charge or there's some sort of crisis. And there's elements of that that we have
02:12:28.880in our country today. But the other part of this is that when you have a civilization, like you
02:12:39.780were talking about a stepping down in power towards a lower power level of a complex society,
02:12:44.800Oftentimes in socially constructed countries, and I say the word socially constructed, I got to write about this because people hear the word social construct and it's like left wing coded.
02:12:56.060But in anthropology, all social construct means and how I use it is there's this distinction between what is innate, what is divine, God given, and what is socially constructed.
02:13:14.800So it would be like politicking, a lot of politicking and power brokering would be constructed.
02:13:20.640Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's more basic than that. It's like the idea of money is a social
02:13:26.640construct. The idea of a government itself is a social construct. A government's a social
02:13:32.300construct. The words we speak are social constructs in the sense that they don't have any meaning
02:13:37.100besides what we give to them. There's no reason that the word food means food. It came from
02:13:43.260somewhere, and now we decided that it means food, that it means things that we eat. And of course,
02:13:49.280there's etymology, words change over time, but that's the point of social constructs. Social
02:13:53.680constructs are not innate, so they change. They're not like laws of physics or anything.
02:13:58.040They can and do change. But when you have socially constructed institutions, these institutions that
02:14:03.660we have, what tends to happen is that people's, individuals, their goals and their aspirations,
02:14:11.240their values get tied up in these institutions. So you have people that value the United States,
02:14:16.240they're attached to the United States, and the United States government, things like that. So
02:14:21.460they will take certain actions in order to advance within that social institution. And that social
02:14:26.360institution is going to continue to perpetuate itself. One example I like to use for this is
02:14:31.440in California, where they have this massive industry dealing with the homeless crisis.
02:14:36.800And of course, the homeless crisis never gets solved, because there's people making $200,000
02:14:40.940a year. It's a complex issue, obviously, but it's never going to get solved if there are people's
02:14:45.780jobs that depend on it. And when you extrapolate that out to a complex system, what you end up with
02:14:52.120is that there becomes fat, right? There's like fat on the bone and this grows over time.
02:15:02.200So another example, like there's these middleman industries that we don't really need, but that
02:15:08.760continue to exist just because they have like uh momentum almost and also the entire thing's
02:15:16.720a house of cards like if there's certain threads that if you start pulling them this entire thing
02:15:21.720becomes unraveled yeah and sometimes it has to because they're at a certain point all institutions
02:15:29.140become incapable of changing they have too much fat built into them they're they're too much um
02:15:34.720And they've been socially created to the point where they're socially created as well in the context of the past.
02:15:43.040So when you have a hunter-gatherer society that the power is completely contextual, there's not layers of social constructs to deconstruct.
02:15:51.620And this is a concept in political science of constructivism, but it applies here.
02:15:56.560Is that like there are layers of rules that we have that we can't go out of and we can't get rid of.
02:16:02.780And so these legacy systems that we have just continue to perpetuate themselves, even though they no longer serve their purpose and you can't get rid of them. And I think that's where the collapse of social of societies comes from is when they're when they're created for a certain purpose.
02:16:20.480They they grow like, you know, the insurance industry. We don't really need a lot of the insurance industry anymore, especially with like something like health insurance. Health insurance got to the point where like I'm from Connecticut. You get rid of health insurance. The entire state is screwed. Like that's the where the insurance capital of the world. The state is we'd be destroyed. You get rid of oil. Saudi Arabia is screwed. UAE is screwed. Like it's these industries that just end up perpetuating themselves.
02:16:48.060And I'm not saying that as like, I'm not saying that government health care is the answer because it isn't.
02:16:53.920It comes with its own issues, as we see up in Canada and what Canadian health care has become known as.
02:21:36.180It's that, you know, I don't want to get off on a whole thing,
02:21:39.180but maybe this ties into the network state.
02:21:40.960But like, and I'm not even saying I am advocating for this,
02:21:43.760but I'm just saying there's a lot of people who believe in this.
02:21:45.960And there's a lot of decision makers who are operating as if this were true.
02:21:49.940So modern monetary theory for people who don't know,
02:21:52.260um i actually don't disagree with its premise which is that ever since uh the american dollar
02:22:00.580became decoupled from the gold standard um it's basically it's fiat currency which means
02:22:06.400can you can basically do whatever you want with it um and i won't get into the details of it too
02:22:12.080much and bore people but basically the theory that you can create infinite credit forever
02:22:18.560And as long as you apply that credit and open those spigots over industries that can scale and absorb it, then there is no reason to believe that you can ever stop growing. And there's a lot of individuals who believe this. And you can apply this not only to economics, but also human lifespans.
02:22:37.680this is the longevity movement if people want to look that up people who the the great kurtzweil
02:22:43.600is into this as well he's saying by 2045 we will start to see like the first human being that can
02:22:49.860live to like 250 years old uh whether i believe it's like well that's the thing that the conversation
02:22:56.240that's happening the discourse around this isn't even from a positivistic point of view you got
02:23:01.580guys like nick land who are taking the negative view by saying that nothing human survives in
02:23:07.040the future and everything's just a gray goo which i actually agree with but you'll notice that the
02:23:11.500tone that people discuss this and is more of inevitability you hear that word inevitability
02:23:16.240a lot even ray kurtzweil um the originator of this you know singularity movement saying that
02:23:21.480this is going to happen there's nothing you can do to stop it it's almost like we mentioned
02:23:25.700rocco's basilisk that thought experiment that says any sufficiently advanced artificial
02:23:32.200intelligence in the future will punish people who are not directly responsible to bringing it into
02:23:38.120reality so you have a duty to try and bring it in reality for your own survival it's just a
02:23:44.760thought experiment but that's the way a lot of people are viewing this like we we need to do
02:23:50.360this what else can we do because if we stop we die and they're kind of right about that so just
02:23:56.040for people who are curious like what what do you mean you know opening spigots over the industries
02:24:00.920that scale well these would be artificial intelligence these would be quantum computing
02:24:04.860renewable energy whatever form that takes it doesn't necessarily need to be wind um i think
02:24:11.400those are the ones i can remember off the top of my head uh then that galactic travel would be
02:24:15.780somewhere and there as well which is why so many people are speaking so seriously about populating
02:24:21.600the stars as a as a financial strategy so again even if you don't advocate for it that's happening
02:24:29.040there's people pursuing that right right and and it's these runaway social constructs because when
02:24:36.380they get to the point like these ad agencies i think you were talking about this this in your
02:24:41.780episode like they are started by people that really care about this illegitimate scholar will
02:24:46.280never be a massive company that a bunch of people work for because it's not designed to be um although
02:24:51.980i guess if that were ever to happen then it would happen but there's an argument that shouldn't be
02:24:58.100there's an argument that if you get too big you're destined to mutate into this other thing
02:25:03.200like there is sort of like a dunbar's number to an organizational size that i think like you i'm
02:25:08.640telling you things you already know but yeah you actually don't want to get too big yeah yeah right
02:25:13.360you would not want to be a publicly traded company no no no like i would like i'm gonna be hiring
02:25:21.480people soon, but like, it's, I would never go public. I would like, there's certain boundaries
02:25:29.640that you cross. And like, you know, if you're a CEO at the company that you started, you're no
02:25:35.900longer in control. Like you're, you're an employee at your own company, which I've always thought was
02:25:40.900insane. I don't, I, there's nothing I would trade for that. If you're at the point where you can
02:25:44.680become a publicly traded company, there's more money in just your situation already than I could
02:25:50.800ever want. So I would never do that. Yeah. And one other thing, and I was just in a Twitter space
02:25:56.020hosted by my good friend, Jay Burden, just recently. And we're just talking broadly about
02:26:01.820work and organizational size. And one thing we brought up is that I worked in startups. I not
02:26:08.000worked in, but as I'm in a marketing capacity, I was in the startup space for a few years,
02:26:11.900a while ago. And one thing that you notice, at least where I am, if your organization reaches
02:26:17.740a certain size, I think it's around, what was it, like a thousand people, something like that,
02:26:22.640you legally need to have an HR person. And so once that happens, buddy, you got cancer. I'm sorry.
02:26:29.920Right. And that's the socially constructed reality of the rules we have in our society,
02:26:37.400like the government institutions that create these laws that benefit certain people and then don't go
02:26:42.860away because they benefit the right people in the right places who would lose if they got rid of it.
02:26:48.900So it's never going to happen. Just like we're never going to get ranked choice voting or reform
02:26:53.340on the insider trading in the United States, which I'm by like politicians, which I'm sure
02:26:59.500happens in Canada as well. I would be amazed if it didn't. This is one funny thing about
02:36:06.140You just have to align their incentives with your own.
02:36:09.040And like in the context of like, you know, these governments and and with the U.S. dollar and everything terrible that the United States government and also the Canadian government and whatever other governments support, you know, people have their issues with them.
02:36:26.700But there's probably not going to be a bunch of people protesting something if it heavily benefits the United States, which will heavily benefit the majority of the population.
02:36:36.500And there's a ton of examples of this, like the cobalt mining and historically the banana wars in Latin America, like the way that certain protests are dealt with and somehow certain others are not, that type of thing.
02:36:59.240That's a good point. And I sometimes get in trouble for bringing this up. But, you know, one of the concepts I love borrowing from the left, specifically the later 20th century Marxist is the concept of a superstructure.
02:37:14.340um curtis yarvin kind of reworked that into the idea of the cathedral there's maybe other versions
02:37:19.940of it but um you know marxists will look because marxists are trying to engage in revolution at
02:37:25.340every single level of society on the religious and the traditional and the ideological but uh
02:37:30.800so they they look at society as this giant organism that if that does not actually permit
02:37:38.580any sort of rebellion that truly hurts it and that means that any rebellion yeah any rebellion
02:37:45.540or revolution that seems to exist that is permitted by the system either is neutral to the system or
02:37:51.580in fact helps it which logically checks out in my yeah it does yeah yeah that's a really interesting
02:37:58.280idea i i you know i'm i'm not somebody who has like i i don't have that many ideological backbones
02:38:06.300Obviously, I'm like nominally in the dissident. Right. But that's mostly because I align with them on a lot of things and they'll listen to me talk and they want to talk to me. And I like everyone in it. So the. But I do have a lot of like I have nothing against taking ideas from Marxist and and learning from them.
02:38:28.320And there's plenty of people like Malcolm X that obviously I'm diametrically opposed to a lot of his views, but I like Malcolm X for being what he is.
02:38:37.320And I think his writing is very interesting and compelling.
02:38:52.940And I would encourage people to do that.
02:38:54.480Like, you don't need to be allergic to a lot of these ideas.
02:38:57.060there's a lot of good stuff in there especially you know you know for all of its faults people0.99
02:39:03.660say like marx was an idiot i don't think he was an idiot i might disagree with some points but0.90
02:39:08.700there's a lot of economic critique and there's some economic ideas that did not exist before1.00
02:39:15.460he started describing them and a lot of later ones just kind of like psychology a lot of people
02:39:20.240hate psychology they hate psychiatry they hate freud and they hate freud because of the strange
02:39:26.340oedipal complex sort of stuff but they forget that freud pioneered the very idea of the subconscious
02:39:33.120so there's a lot of ideas that freud gave us that are so worked into the zeitgeist
02:39:38.020that we kind of forget that there was a time prior to him and i don't think most people would debate
02:39:43.200that there's such a thing as the subconscious really um i'd be curious to hear what you say
02:39:48.280but there's a lot of stuff in there that uh you know i don't for all the reasons i might not like
02:39:53.180freud there's some stuff in there that's good it's it's like all these people are in the context of
02:39:58.200their time like you know we look back in the history and we like somebody like thomas pain
02:40:04.040who wrote common sense but at the time he was a left-wing radical and if he were alive today he'd
02:40:09.500probably be like doing beat poetry or something um so the um like on the topic of marx and like
02:40:19.540these historical figures whose ideas, they get mutated into this thing and they get exposed to
02:40:27.980these different environments and they get created. Like Marxism in China, you have Maoism, which is
02:40:34.140very different from Stalinism, which is very different from like Tito's Yugoslavia, which
02:40:38.940would be the one where I would think I would have the most positive view of. And then you have
02:40:43.780something insane like like pol pot in cambodia which is very hard to actually call communism
02:40:50.460even it's like you know oh that wasn't real communism but most of the time it's like the
02:40:55.140idea stretches a little bit you still call it that um whereas pol pot was insane that it like
02:41:02.040was nominally communist but there's nothing communist about it it was just crazy um but
02:41:08.400marx would be horrified by all of the iterations of communism that came just eight years out of
02:41:13.740death and all those since, just as Adam Smith would be horrified by what capitalism is because
02:41:19.140it's not what he intended. And they were all created in the context of their time. I don't
02:41:23.240blame Marx at all for the criticisms. He has a lot of great criticisms about capitalism,
02:41:29.440especially because what we have today is very different from the 1890s. I should find this
02:41:37.760citation, but there was a slave, there was a freed slave. And he was, they asked him, he was working
02:41:44.580at a coal mine and they asked him about like what it was like to be a coal miner versus being a
02:41:49.000slave. And he said, and I'm paraphrasing, I know what it was like to be a slave and what it was
02:41:56.160like to be a free man. And I can tell you that I feel now working at this coal mine, the same that
02:42:02.560i did then and he's saying that i feel like a slave here it's not different um and that speaks
02:42:09.700to like that that was the situation um and there's worse stories that i know about the
02:42:15.340coal mines were bad like there were actually actual fights and that's just the worst example
02:42:19.640that people bring up but a lot of work was really bad then it was this new system that was being
02:42:23.900created this new industrialized system yeah like mass manufacturing mass production and i think
02:42:30.660Like you said, contextually, you need to reframe Marx and many others viewing this as an evolving
02:42:37.440trend and saying that, okay, people are losing their humanity in here. Human life is being
02:42:42.340devalued more than I've ever seen before. What is this? Can we apprehend this phenomena
02:42:48.100scientifically? That was an attempt to apprehend this new thing. I think there was something
02:42:54.280exciting about that. Maybe there's something exciting about that still. I've said this
02:43:00.620a few times before and it's kind of a vague statement but i don't think and maybe this
02:43:06.060will lead to our discussion of the network state um i i haven't seen a similar ideological
02:43:14.560capturing of the zeitgeist like that uh by which i mean there hasn't been a true
02:43:21.260apprehension of the information age which i do see as distinct from just the mass
02:43:26.620manufacturing industrial revolution yeah age like there's other we're in such a different mind
02:43:32.320bending uh phase shift right now that i don't even think we've really like the closest i think
02:43:37.680we came was marshall mcclellan um and we've been discussing marshall mcclellan a lot on our show
02:43:42.400and some other people in our spaces as well prudentialist a good friend of mine also discussed
02:43:46.920that i was on his show in fact to talk about it but uh yeah there's there's not um a metaphysical
02:43:54.620or philosophical approach i think that's why people like nick land so much and i mentioned
02:43:58.640him previously but he's another guy that i think is as close as we're getting to like really trying
02:44:06.780to draw a circle around this whole thing we're experiencing right now and what that means to
02:44:11.460like our souls yeah yeah uh this is a really good point um and i'm gonna look up this guy nick land
02:44:19.060And that's why it's so exciting to be like in the space that we're in right now, because we are in an unprecedented situation, just like the Industrial Revolution was.
02:44:29.080And it's arguable that ours, our situation is even changing faster and more drastically than it did then.
02:44:37.840And these new situations, these new paradigm shifts and ways of looking at the world and interacting with the world.
02:44:49.880Right. You're in your mid-30s, so we're both millennials. I'm a younger millennial. I'm like 29. I'm on the cusp. But we're the last analog generation. And I think that matters a lot because children at their younger age is every year, you know, diminishing how much of it has an effect on you because it's a smaller percentage proportion of your life.
02:45:12.700So what you do as a baby and a young child, it really, really matters pound for pound
02:45:20.360And because of that, people get acculturated to a certain setting.
02:45:25.000And when you then grow up in a world that's completely different and the institutions
02:45:29.620of your world are built for a past world, then that requires serious, significant change.
02:45:36.300And so, you know, all of these new movements, like we can talk about communism, fascism,
02:45:40.560whatever it always that's the past that already happened so whatever we have into the future is
02:45:48.180going to be something completely new which is going to be inspired by and have like you know
02:45:54.560traces of what was in the past just like our car or just like our road widths are are based on the
02:46:02.040roman empire right like our railroad tracks are based on the roman empire it's it's that type of
02:46:07.260thing in a less literal, more intangible sense. This is what happens. There are echoes of the
02:46:11.920past and what we do in the future, but it's always something new for that new situation.
02:46:16.460And very rarely, history doesn't repeat, but it rhymes, can anyone actually predict what's going
02:46:22.540to happen? Because the new situation is so complex and the interacting factors are so diverse and
02:46:31.880they're so new and they're so broad that nobody can have a complete picture of what's going on
02:46:37.340you know it could be it it could be the water crisis in ethiopia and egypt that kicks off the
02:46:44.440next like big thing we we just don't know you might be able to forecast some things but whatever
02:46:51.140it is you're not really going to see it coming unless you're paying very very close attention
02:46:55.980and filtering for a lot of data in very very specific ways and one thing you'd mentioned there
02:47:02.160about uh you know communism as example but we can even use fascism that there's nothing and
02:47:08.320sometimes i get in trouble for saying this because there's a lot of fans of both who listen to you
02:47:11.940know my show but you know these are more fandoms now you know we seek refuge in them because they're
02:47:18.460They're familiar, and we understand that world, and we frequently, the communists especially, have trouble mapping that onto the present world.
02:47:29.480We like it anyway, like people are fandoms for everything, really, and that's fine to a degree, but you have to realize it's not applicable, really, and you can learn from it, certainly, as you should learn from history, but you need to figure out what works for the present circumstances.
02:47:47.200and it won't be these things that you just kind of think are cool or funny or you know comfortable
02:47:52.740like people still you know this might be a big swing but you know there's there's no individual
02:48:01.040right now that really thinks in terms of class consciousness no real person only ideologues do
02:48:06.200you know they you can understand like there's there is a class aspect to it but the idea of
02:48:11.520uniting everyone across multiple identities just along class lines it's not going to work
02:48:17.820you can like it there's a poetry to it i understand it but the average person isn't going to go with
02:48:24.040you down that so you can either evolve or die i don't give it because i don't agree with them so
02:48:29.060they can do whatever the they want and keep prancing around and trying to you know just
02:48:35.620evolve out of the water and can't but you know for the rest of us on this side i think there's
02:48:40.400real conversations about let's borrow what actually worked and craft something new that's
02:48:45.580not just leveraging the old iconography and it needs to be something that is vital and interesting
02:48:50.360and i think from an anthropological point of view from you know the development of peoples i think
02:48:55.460that's the correct way to look at it yeah absolutely and um it's whenever there's a new
02:49:01.900contract context it's something completely new that's made of the old um and i think you're
02:49:08.020entirely right. And I think it is both fascists and communists. And those are the two extreme
02:49:14.260examples. But there's a lot of that still today. And those people, like anybody that thinks that
02:49:21.240the United States is going to become a fascist country, a la like Nazi Germany or like Italy,
02:49:28.700it's not going to happen. We're not going to go into communism either. It might have some
02:49:34.700inspiration from it, but it's not happening. Yeah. And for people who are wondering, you know,
02:49:39.680there might be some of my listeners who are punching their screens, but unless I mentioned
02:49:44.220this, that even communism and fascism are far more alike than you would think. National socialism
02:49:51.240and communism, like the Marxist critique and their understanding of what needs to be reworked
02:49:57.360in society is more extreme. And fascism tries to affirm more tradition, but both of these seem to
02:50:03.300emerge from the liberal tradition uh they have more in common than from an industrial society
02:50:08.820yeah exactly and both of them have far more in common than any of them do with the the truly
02:50:15.200traditional society and this was the yes of people like avala and renee joanon who said like
02:50:21.080you think you understand traditionalism but you are you are locked within a liberal framework and
02:50:25.860you can probably never escape it yeah yeah yeah it's it's it's all within a liberal framework
02:50:31.820Obviously, both fascists and communists would not want to be called liberals, but even if they reduce as much of it that they can, whatever they create is still going to be born out of liberalism.
02:50:46.000So it's still going to have all of that in it.
02:50:48.820It's just built into it because it's built into the people.
02:51:24.700It's just you don't understand how different a truly traditional society was.
02:51:30.000there was like there was a moment um during my anthropology undergrad this was years and years
02:51:36.340ago where like i you know i was reading all these books and a lot of my uh a lot of my classes were
02:51:42.400cultural anthropology which is what i what my niche is um anthropology of religion um like
02:51:48.560indigenous cultures things like that and i there was a moment where i was reading this book or this
02:51:56.420article about magic and what magic means, um, to these indigenous cultures. Uh, most of them
02:52:04.560indigenous has become like kind of a political term as well, but I should say like primitive,
02:52:08.800um, hunter gatherer, like this, the cultures that have magic more than in just like baseball or
02:52:17.060something like it's this, this idea of these intangible, intangible things that this energy
02:52:23.140force animism, most traditional hunter-gatherer and even pastoralist societies are going to have
02:52:29.720like some level of animism in them. It's very common in human history across every single
02:52:34.800continent where every living thing, animals, or like even a lot of the times, even like inanimate
02:52:42.880objects like rocks and places in the ocean, they have energy and they have power. And this is
02:52:49.300something that i now believe in fully um but i i was reading this book about this uh this sorcery
02:52:58.280where like these people think that someone else has cast a spell on them in a negative way
02:53:04.500and there's lots of evidence that there are very real physical physiological reactions in people
02:53:10.940um but i'm reading this and it like clicked for me that and you know this is an idea that
02:53:20.320happened in my head so me saying it is not going to have the same the same effect but
02:53:24.560it clicked for me that sorcery and magic is real um because it's it even if it's something that
02:53:35.200people don't believe in other people believe in it and it has a real effect on other people
02:53:40.860which spreads out and i'm not explaining this well i can't move this for my brain into anything
02:53:45.660but no i i can i can jump in there because yeah please this is where i'm at i i agree with that
02:53:51.680and i'll give a couple of examples um my good friend is the name by the name of stormy stormy
02:53:59.020waters he's on twitter and when i know stormy yeah you know stormy so uh he oh yeah we're in
02:54:04.540the same chat there and he was going up one time about um it might have even been with you actually
02:54:09.760talk about how like they've conducted experiments uh based in short it's that when someone was
02:54:16.080focusing on another person uh from 5 10 miles away through a telescope that person could feel
02:54:23.540that there was some kind of attention being paid to them and they could tell this physiologically
02:54:27.960because they were hooked up to machines i don't know how i don't know the veracity of that
02:54:31.660experiment but there are some anthropological studies i could share on that as well so there's
02:54:36.880the idea that you can feel in the ether and the cosmos whatever it is that something is directed
02:54:42.680at you call it energy call it whatever the you want and i arrived at these conclusions almost
02:54:48.040from the opposite perspective a non-spiritual perspective but from a scientific perspective
02:54:52.260um where if you get into things like information theory if you get into quantum mechanics and you
02:54:58.580understand sort of the the strange relationship between particles and you know people once you go
02:55:06.220down far enough in the quantum realm you start dealing they'll start using terms like operating
02:55:11.620system or programming this is where simulation theory comes from it's like where the universe
02:55:15.620is a simulation because and like the your dna has a genetic code what do you mean by genetic code
02:55:21.980they'll say well that's information well what do you mean information it's because everything in
02:55:26.380the universe is driven by this thing called information information is data on your computer
02:55:31.660but it's also in your dna telling it what to do now what do you mean it tells you what to do
02:55:38.220what's telling that what to do how does that make sense and they will say that well there's some
02:55:42.660kind of uh operating system in the universe telling you know quarks how to spin and everything
02:55:48.960so like there is some they don't want to call it a mind they don't want to call it some kind of
02:55:55.940unknowable uh life force telling but they're trying to encircle that in some way anyway but
02:56:03.580you do get to an almost phenomenological way and phenomenology is a very interesting philosophical
02:56:09.820area of study kind of like it's almost like the opposite of the platonic forms where you know
02:56:14.720the platonic world where there's this dimension higher dimension of unknowable things that are
02:56:20.720kind of interfacing with our material realm. This is almost not the opposite, but the interplay,
02:56:26.900like when we speak things into reality, we actually do speak things in reality that there's
02:56:31.360no substantive difference between the concept of an idea as exists in your head and it existing in
02:56:38.300the universe. It's just a slightly different way of manifesting itself. But if you can consciously
02:56:43.600apprehend a concept, like the concept of a chair, that chair exists in the universe, whether or not
02:56:51.120it exists in the physical world, that that's a different way of looking at it. But then you start
02:56:55.600thinking, okay, we're looking at different levels at which things can exist, can things exist in a
02:57:01.460non material way. And I mean, exist, like really exist, exist as if you or I or that punching bag
02:57:07.320across from me actually exists. And then I'm doing a very, very top level view of this,
02:57:13.940but now you're saying that, okay, all this stuff exists and everything is kind of information and
02:57:18.400everything is kind of intertwined and that it's all forms of information exchange at every level
02:57:25.300and the physical world is just one aspect of it. So why couldn't things like me speaking something
02:57:32.880into reality and it having a literal effect also occur now this is very heady stuff this is very
02:57:41.060maybe they would call it woo woo or kooky but you know i do think if and we cover this on the show
02:57:47.740extensively there is that there's a mesh backing up this stuff anyway that's my big long rant on
02:57:55.760that yeah no and i'm i'm fully with you it's not the way that i would say it but that's based on
02:58:00.940our different you know framings or different cultural understandings mine is based on you
02:58:05.320kind of arrive at the same thing with different languages and you'll like that's what you see
02:58:10.080when you really get into the quantum mechanical stuff like they're trying to give they're trying
02:58:15.940to describe something that would be obvious in spiritual terms and non-spiritual terms but
02:58:21.740they're getting into the the unknown and they don't know what they're looking at right right
02:58:27.760gone down so low so specific that like when you start asking questions you're coming to the
02:58:34.560to the same answers that you know societies come to in different ways based on their context
02:58:40.120um but i also hate witches i don't like witches so this is not an endorsement of wicca or a bunch0.99
02:58:46.960of naked bitches trying to kill me yeah well obviously not um yeah so it's it's like0.99
02:58:55.200the it's interesting that you get to this position from like the context of everything0.99
02:59:05.100that you know and i come to what i view is a very similar position um at the least from
02:59:11.040studying instead like the way that i look at it is i look at many many different cultures
02:59:17.800from across the world and across different technological contexts um wherever they are
02:59:23.240And, you know, the the aggregate of all that information of of all these different people living with different subsistence strategies and different physical environments with different challenges and and and struggles that they're facing, like when you know about their context, you know what that context means.
02:59:44.360And then you know about human nature and you know about how they're reacting in that context.
02:59:50.060And so you have the context, what it is, and then how they respond.
02:59:54.260And then the aggregate of all those different people that I've studied brings me to this conclusion that knowledge of the nature of humans in the sense that how they're going to respond in any given situation
03:00:39.340Yeah. And this is where if you had sound drops, if you had sound effects, you would drop the that's illegitimate.
03:00:48.700Oh, gosh. Cleveland. I'm going to cut that out. I'm going to keep that put that on the soundboard.
03:00:55.600All right. So you want to talk about the network state?
03:00:58.680yeah sure uh i find this is one of those books that um i liked it when i read it um and i keep
03:01:07.520coming back to it and i like anything that even if it's inelegantly um executed which it isn't but
03:01:15.180even if it is if it's practical i like it because it's very common in our space for people to use
03:01:21.660very highfalutin language to say like got you what we need to do we need to get together we
03:01:26.540need to do this we all need to collectivize and retribalize but like you know maybe this is me
03:01:33.260being a dunderheaded oaf but i need it spelled out very clearly to make what do you mean
03:01:38.720what does that look like how many people are involved like what what are we doing tell me
03:01:43.360what we're doing because we a lot of us have been at this for a long time this space is very well
03:01:48.540documented and we've been having the same conversations for a long time so what's the next
03:01:52.300thing and there's a lot of people uh listeners of my show as well as yours i'm sure who are like
03:01:57.300okay like they're they're burned out from a lot of the cyclical discourse and the perennial topics
03:02:03.360it's like what do we do for someone give me a plan i don't need a leader i just need an idea
03:02:08.220so i liked about this was here's an idea um and it's called the network states and it's by an
03:02:15.520individual. I'm going to f**k up his name. It's unforgivably Indian. It's Balaji Srinasevorsan.0.80
03:02:23.520Sure, why not? But this is, I found that the book was written in a style very familiar to people
03:02:33.000who understand what the NRX sphere was, the neoreactionary sphere. So people remember that.
03:02:38.800that's your you know nick land was associated with that uh but your curtis yarvins um a lot of
03:02:44.860uh you know dave the distributist a friend of mine early on like a lot of people started off
03:02:49.980in that space and then just grew out of it but it was very um very into startup culture it was very
03:02:58.180techie it was pretty subversive and counter-cultural but you know these people use the
03:03:04.260word LARP a lot. They love internet terminology, which kind of annoys me. Anyway, that's what I
03:03:11.000was saying. The book uses a lot of internet slang, which is very grating. However, that lets you know
03:03:16.400the briars of the author. Anyway, that having been said, The Network State, very, very long book,
03:03:23.740and you can even read it online for free. You can buy it. But if you look at the networkstate.com,
03:03:28.620you can just read it. There's a whole website set up. Yeah, I just pulled that up for those
03:03:32.360of you who are watching on youtube which you should be and you get the episodes a week early
03:03:36.420for two dollars on patreon until i move the price up eventually yeah then so i'm sorry continue
03:03:45.160i'll drop the link below i never want to interrupt a plug i never want to interrupt anyone making
03:03:52.180money um two dollars a month yeah and what i like about the book is it's written in a very
03:04:00.64021st century way like it starts off it there's like the network seat in one sentence then there's
03:04:06.140the network state in two paragraphs so like if you just wanted the headline um and i'll just
03:04:12.080read it right now in one informal sentence here's what it says a network state is a highly aligned
03:04:16.680online community with a capacity for collective action that crowd funds territory around the
03:04:23.040world and eventually gains diplomatic recognition from pre-existing states okay what's that mean
03:04:29.500Well, basically, it's like it's a roadmap for how to start your own country and how to do it in a online sort of way, leveraging online communities.
03:04:40.920And that's what I found very interesting.
03:04:42.760And you hear that, you're thinking, well, how could you do that?
03:04:46.160Well, there's actually a pretty good plan in this book on how to do it.
03:04:51.460And I won't go through every single version of this, I won't go through every single, because it goes into the background of like, what is a state? How can you design a constitution? But there's a lot of really interesting ideas in this book. And one that I come back to, and I just want to get this out of the way, you might find it interesting.
03:05:11.260he was talking about the concept of the left and the right politically a lot of people look at that
03:05:19.020as reductive they think well isn't it strange how we just have a bipartisan system why can't we be
03:05:26.000like a parliamentary system well just to let you know even a parliamentary system it's like five
03:05:30.580significant parties still basically fall along the left and right axis and they just collectivize
03:05:36.240in different ways based on that. So no matter what, that seems to emerge in complex societies.
03:05:43.260And why is that? But that's something you actually need to account for. If you want to start your
03:05:48.900own country, you need to look at the mechanisms of a state. That's what you're trying to do. You're
03:05:53.640trying to start a state. Why does the left and right exist? You can't start a large organization
03:05:58.720without having to reckon with that. So he was saying that this is just an axis that always
03:06:03.820exists and you can frame this within um elite theory if you wanted to or um what was that book
03:06:10.560like the ancient city or things like that where it's like you have the center of power representing
03:06:15.200you know the the sort of the ossified control the institutions the monarchy and whatnot then you have
03:06:21.380the periphery and the print there's always a periphery and there's always a center and there's
03:06:25.760always an interaction between the two sometimes the periphery overwhelms the center that's called
03:06:31.080the revolution sometimes the center wins of the periphery then you actually don't get innovation
03:06:35.320then you don't get the cycling in of new exciting ideas that's how you can get a death of a
03:06:40.120civilization another way it just ossifies and becomes a museum of itself arguably that could
03:06:46.200be what's happening now depending on who you ask but but but that that that's an idea of the left
03:06:52.360and right as this permanent relationship that you need to account for if you want to do something
03:06:57.700like start a state. So throughout the course of the book, what he says is, okay, let's start with
03:07:03.580a community. Let's start with your tribe. Who are your tribe? And what's interesting is he leaves
03:07:09.940that up to you. Some people hear that and they hear it in an ethnic point of view. And it could
03:07:13.940be. You could easily, a lot of people say, oh, this is like a white nationalist thing. Yeah,
03:07:18.000it could be. Or it could be a religious thing. It could just be, I'm going to start a tribe.
03:07:22.680I'm going to start an online nation state for Christians or Catholics, let's say. Mormons would be a good example who could probably do it, actually. There's sort of an ethnic tilt to that as well, baked into the cake. But there's a lot of ways to do this. But you need to kind of negotiate that for yourself. And maybe there's a Dunbar's number associated with that, that it only makes sense at 150 people.
03:07:45.320But it doesn't need to be a massive nation like America, because arguably, you know, America is just a conglomeration of states, which are themselves a conglomeration of tribes, which couldn't really be boiled down to four main population groups, depending on who you ask.
03:08:02.800That's if you're going by the Albion seed model.
03:08:07.200But anyway, the idea would be you can actually negotiate what that tribe is online.
03:08:13.060And maybe it's that thing, maybe it's whatever.
03:08:15.320And he has this one thing in the book, and I believe this to be true, about how to kind of start your constitution or what really unites you.
03:08:23.700And he says the simpler it is, the better.
03:08:27.200And I see then that's a great comparison between America and Canada.
03:08:31.020America has a relatively short and punchy constitution.
03:08:34.500some people think that's a bug that's actually a feature because canada has an extremely
03:08:40.880labyrinthine legalistic charter of rights and freedoms that is a that just leaves the wide
03:08:48.380door open for judges in the moment to litigate however they want there actually is no real
03:08:55.020constitution up here because it's so long because there's so many holes you can snake through so
03:09:00.780So you actually want something that's simpler to unite you.
03:09:03.740And he has this great idea in the book, and it sounds very internet-y, but I kind of like it.
03:09:12.040It's just X equals good or X equals bad.0.97
03:09:16.500So your founding document or your founder statement for your community could be something like, just let's say this, like Black people good.
03:09:25.140If you're a Black nationalist, Black people good.
03:09:29.520And that sounds like it's vague. It's not. You kind of want it at that level of vagueness. Or white people good. Or Catholics good. Or liberty good. Let's say you're trying to start an America within an America. You're trying to start a tea party country. That would be a liberty good. Basic. And if you disagree with that, you can't be a part of it. And you like that and you like the most extreme version of that. And that's kind of how you unite these people.
03:09:55.640and then the process you go from there is you start having to map yourself on the real world
03:10:03.280and i think that's what the most interesting part of it is which is like okay you have this community
03:10:07.140you have this belief system this value set how do you make this real well you just start buying
03:10:13.500property and it's not even that hard like again the mormons would be a phenomenal model for this
03:10:19.020there's people who've kind of done this um to various capacities like some people look towards
03:10:25.120the Amish, but I think for a more modern example, look at the Mormons and look at some other
03:10:29.440groups around the world. I think that even the AFD in Germany are trying their hand at this.
03:10:35.040So like, okay, let's just, let's start communes. Let's start towns and villages and control who
03:10:40.040comes in. And if we can generate enough, if we can own enough land and generate enough productive
03:10:46.020capacity, and the most important thing, get yourself to a position where you can't be fucked0.95
03:10:51.800with or it's difficult to with you and that means defenses that means being they rely on you for0.88
03:11:02.620something maybe you preside some resource or something that's good enough for self-determination
03:11:08.280at least to start now again maybe this is more difficult in america because the infrastructure
03:11:14.180of the state is so strong but you could do something like this eastern europe easily you
03:11:19.580do something like this in canada this happens all the time in south america um i think if you wanted
03:11:25.380to go to south america and do this you probably could um i think there's a white people in south
03:11:31.940africa are doing this as well there's a small group great example the the africaners you know
03:11:37.080like the boars all that like that they're doing it that's what it looks like but just to let you1.00
03:11:42.400know you could also do that here and it doesn't necessarily need to be along the ethnic lines
03:11:47.500although that would be the obvious one even a friend of mine frodi midiord from a guide to
03:11:53.500culture a lot of people know him he always talks about retribalization um but this is more like
03:11:58.700what does that actually look like what's the step one two three four five on how you get there and
03:12:04.080i think this book provides some kind of model for how to make yourself real conceptually how to make
03:12:11.440yourself real practically and then it's as simple as just making yourself real in the real world
03:12:17.580as a place that owns territory and then you can kind of build yourself to have a seat at the
03:12:23.800table you know one example of this in canada would be aboriginal tribes they're a great example of
03:12:29.120they're relatively small um they're relative they're centralized but kind of decentralized
03:12:34.240but they have their founding beliefs are aboriginal's good that's about it um they're
03:12:40.680they're primarily oral culture. They don't have a lot of written laws. They didn't have a written
03:12:45.220language until like 1996. It's really sad. However, they're as potent as an entity as
03:12:53.800anything in Canada, and they can argue and fight for a seat at the table with the federal government.
03:12:59.800So we see this all the time. It's not necessarily a matter of numbers. It's a matter of can you
03:13:05.680cause enough problems or represent something that a larger power would like to deal with
03:13:11.280and they have to deal with you because it's too hard just to steamroll you and and i'm not i'm
03:13:16.700not going to get into details on what that looks like but it probably involves guns it probably
03:13:20.880involves standing up for yourself it probably involves uh you can't just be you know trifling
03:13:26.380with there was a time where canadian military had almost an open war with uh what the hodinoshone
03:13:35.480yeah yeah and that was like the 1980s yeah there's uh there's a lot of cases where the
03:13:42.720government went to war with uh even the flq and terrorists and uh it didn't do too well
03:13:49.380and that could be something just about canada it could be which is strange because canada
03:13:54.740tech usually in international work they perform quite well pound for pound they do um the the
03:14:03.460soldiers the human capital that it has are very highly effective and very good like the soldiers
03:14:10.700you know the guys who actually go in they're very good war fighters uh it's a a crying shame that
03:14:18.580they do not seem to provide them the resources or the or the um recompensation necessary to
03:14:26.060do their jobs very well like every you know in my youth every day growing up there was some scandal
03:14:30.880about we didn't spend enough money to maintain our submarines so they just sank in the harbor
03:14:36.760or like we just don't we don't take it seriously so i think the um what i would call the warrior
03:14:44.420class in canada you know a good friend of mine jeremy mckenzie would be one of those up here
03:14:49.320the raging dissident he represents a lot of veterans same as in america like they're they're
03:14:55.980leaving the military because they're not being supported so yeah we're not going to have them
03:15:01.040left anymore yeah that's that's my family as well um yeah i'm a i'm a u.s marine veteran and most of
03:15:07.600my dad's family is uh is military as well um and that is that is true i would not want my children
03:15:14.580to join the military at this point i asked uh jeremy you know if you want to have a good one
03:15:20.840someone on you want to hear a harrowing story uh get him on in his uh conflict with the government
03:15:26.560he's involved with right now but i asked him straight up you know he had i think he had a tour
03:15:30.980of afghanistan and iraq i believe and i said would you i talked to a young man right now he's our
03:15:37.000ranger i didn't talk to a young man right now who wants to become disciplined who really wants to
03:15:43.380maybe even defend his country would you recommend they go in the military and he vehemently would
03:15:47.220say no um and it pains him to say that i'm sure you know but it's uh it's it's the fact of the
03:15:54.180it's it's what it is out here i don't think the american military might not be as bad
03:15:57.700as ours yet with the woke stuff that's going on but uh i think there's a lot of guys especially
03:16:04.260since covet who just don't feel supported yeah yeah and it's it's a that that's a huge part of
03:16:11.320it um yeah i'm having gordon mcgill on soon uh who's a canadian trucker um he came he was on
03:16:19.340um what's that guy's name freaking dude from fox um is it tucker yeah tucker he was on tucker
03:16:28.380recently talking about it um yeah i'm gonna get more into the canadian stuff what was that guy's
03:16:33.360name said uh jeremy mckenzie uh raging dissident is his uh moniker he has a very very popular show
03:16:40.780And the trucker protest is a great example because we covered that pretty extensively when it was going on. It's my sense that the Canadian government would have loved to crush that. They just couldn't. And a lot of people who are critical of populism and they're critical of just, you know, a lot of the people protesting COVID wouldn't be as radical as me or you. They're just, you know, basic conservatives.
03:17:05.780Yet they really put their grip around the throat of the government for a while there to the point where if they wanted to do something extreme, they could have.
03:18:12.580You might not agree with all of it, but I think at the very least, it's a starting point
03:18:16.760for people to wrap their heads around that.
03:18:20.020You don't need to wait for the apocalypse to start thinking about these things.
03:18:24.640Everyone in our scene is always talking parallel societies.
03:18:28.340We have to start alternative versions of this or that.
03:18:30.380I'm like, well, here is a conceptual roadmap to how to start doing that.
03:18:34.700And there are people who are doing it right now.
03:18:37.300And, you know, we don't need to shine a spotlight on any of that.
03:18:40.620But just to let you know, if you are the type of person who's interested in parallel societies or creating something outside of the system, I think this is a good place to start, you know.