00:20:40.900it's unacceptable that you are the guy in charge you had a documentary made about you and you love
00:20:46.700the adulation and now it's like i what do you expect me to do i'd like to say because i mean0.96
00:20:52.060i'm an anti-government you know jerk but i think it's a it's a nuclear attack on all government0.95
00:20:59.800institutions it no there is no uh retort to this when you realize that it doesn't matter what the0.98
00:21:09.740institution or the organization is supposed to be doing if there isn't any accountability
00:21:14.600then it then it shouldn't exist it should be destroyed it's like the number one thing the
00:21:19.960very first thing it has to have is accountability because what can you do when it gets out of line
00:21:24.140you have to have some control over it if it's off course you have to be able to correct it
00:21:28.660but this is proving for the millionth time that there is absolutely no mode of correcting course
00:21:35.840or controlling these institutions they do whatever the fuck they want this is like just the cia this0.61
00:21:40.820is the fbi this is whatever it is all over again this is the education system it does there is no0.98
00:21:46.640connection between the public mandate and what the institution does so you can say all you want
00:21:51.740about the hypothetical ostensible benefits of the institution we're not getting that a system is what
00:21:57.280it does this is the thing we get we get death we get rape so just stop it just blow it up it's like
00:22:03.680the cia is on trial for killing a hundred thousand people and the director of the cia is sat down0.75
00:22:09.860and his answer is cia am i right like he's acting like the cia is just this thing that he knows0.97
00:22:17.660about that's the one i saw the one recently with the fucking atf director who was only brought in0.74
00:22:22.960like a year ago and he's uh you know he's got a little little tiny hat on his head and he was0.90
00:22:28.360saying because they did this they they did a no knock 6 a.m raid with like 10 cars like 30 guys
00:22:35.960between the atf and the little rock police department the guy they were raiding was some
00:22:41.600bureaucrat boomer who was like the manager of the local airport he himself was like a democratic guy
00:22:47.840like a democrat guy and a and a government official and they were mad at him because he
00:22:53.440had sold too many friends to like his somebody he had sold too many guns to his cousin or his
00:22:57.900friends and they thought that he needed an FFL so he hadn't signed up for an FFL and as a result of
00:23:03.100him selling a couple of too many guns without an FFL they showed up 6 a.m kicked his door down
00:23:08.760no body cameras cut the power to the house jammed all cell signal out of the house and when the guy0.97
00:23:14.020woke up he's fucking freaking out he fired a shot in the air and they just mag dumped and blew his0.98
00:23:19.460fucking head off what's true and what's hearsay during the search warrant executed at Little Rock0.99
00:23:24.860airport director Brian Malinowski's home is still shrouded. ATF director Steven Dettelbach said he0.97
00:23:31.020wasn't aware of the mission, which turned deadly until after the fact, and the agency does 11,000
00:23:37.060of these types of missions a year. You gotta admit, this is a little unique. The highest paid
00:23:41.280official in the municipal government, Little Rock, Arkansas. No criminal background history,
00:23:45.860no, nothing. When it sure looks like you could have served this search warrant when he wasn't
00:23:50.060there but you decided not to the hearing revealed new video showing atf agents gathering near
00:23:55.500malinowski's home one week before the search in the same spot the morning of it malinowski's0.99
00:24:01.160family alleges the first attempt was canceled because brian was not home and this fucking kike0.97
00:24:08.520in the atf hearing the literal leader of the atf is doing this exact thing he's saying well now0.95
00:24:14.880look i mean he was shot but also a police officer was shot and who am i to say i didn't make the
00:24:20.920decision i wasn't there and anyways i can't really comment because you know there's an
00:24:24.660ongoing investigation that's come totally impartial and independent so although i'm here
00:24:30.000specifically to resolve this at this hearing i'm afraid i can't answer any of your questions
00:24:33.700and even if i could i wouldn't be able to say anything i'm just the head of the atf
00:24:37.440and it's like if this guy can't just be hung if we can't just hang this guy there shouldn't be
00:24:43.220an atf and like with any of these departments like why do you have a head if he isn't responsible
00:24:49.340for what happens why is he there why does he get paid one and a half million dollars a year if he's
00:24:54.040not fucking responsible why did fauci get so much money for that if he's not response he's responsible0.98
00:24:59.220for the whole fucking department that's why he's the head of it that's what leadership is and what0.99
00:25:03.400leadership is it's a a conceit of the managerial state you know just to use a james burnham term0.99
00:25:11.300here but it's like they the bureaucratic mind doesn't really believe in leaders at all it
00:25:16.340actually doesn't believe in accountability that's why you're a bureaucrat so you can offload
00:25:20.600everything in 360 degrees around you and if you blame me then you actually have to blame this
00:25:26.080entire department and we need this department you know i mean like right which is which we're0.93
00:25:30.320doing like this is what we're agreeing on if we can't blame you if we can't hang you okay well
00:25:35.280the only option we have left is to hang the entire department top to bottom everyone i'm not saying0.91
00:25:40.240physically kill but like the department needs to be disassembled it's over we can't have something
00:25:45.960where you can constantly pass the buck around in a circle until you all retire but that's how it's
00:25:51.300been operating but and it really frustrates me hearing people that are ostensibly on our side
00:25:55.100say like oh well you know that guy's clearly uh you know unoperative and he's clearly against us
00:26:00.560but at the same time we really need that department because they actually do a lot of good so we're1.00
00:26:04.960gonna have no fuck you stop being a pussy stop being a faggot you know defund the get rid of1.00
00:26:10.880the atf get rid of the fucking the what do they call it the not the nhs is it is called the nhs1.00
00:26:16.340or that's the uk i don't know and the national health service yeah that's the one you're in but0.99
00:26:20.620then there's atf and there's a bunch of most three-lettered named agencies all of them it's
00:26:25.740got three letters in it get rid of it because there's two things i want to get to this a bit
00:26:31.060later in the show but the one is a system is what it does which we've discussed before but the other
00:26:37.080is that it really just comes down to the people there is like when you talk about oh this department
00:26:41.700needs to go the department is just a mass of people and it's a mass of a certain type of person
00:26:47.560um and i'm going to be talking with this about this with the prudentialist on thursday we're
00:26:53.860going to talk about um you know ngos and non-profits and sort of the bureaucratic mindset
00:26:59.640And I'm like, the funny thing is, like, these are just human orientations.
00:27:02.940There's not there's not really that much of a difference between an NGO, non-government organization and an actual government organization.
00:27:10.820And in fact, they're actually staffed by the same type of people.
00:27:14.320The same type of person also runs nonprofits.
00:35:41.580oh is this is this anything it doesn't seem like anything and just to preface this i don't think
00:35:47.060either you or i are really trump advocates in any way um maybe i think even right now i've seen a
00:35:53.840lot of anti-trump people turn around on him and they start advocating for him hey look i i get
00:35:59.440the strategic benefit of that i you're getting swept up in the hoopla of the whole thing but
00:36:05.340But you're not going to hear that from me. I think, you know, I'm not a Trump lover at my stretch of the imagination. You're not either. I think that'd be fair to say, right?
00:36:15.340No, I mean, he's preferable to somebody else, but no.
00:36:18.380What I'm seeing is, and this is the most interesting because, you know, this is developing. We'll see what happens from this. But in the days after this announcement, I do notice on social media, the narrative being constructed is one of the Republicans abandoning him.
00:36:36.920i'm seeing a lot of tweets i'm seeing a lot of facebook posts i'll try and recite one that i
00:36:41.060remember a lot of them run by the same script and i'm noticing that everyone is adopting linkedin
00:36:46.820spacing if you notice that like they're doing like one sentence short sentence then space double
00:36:53.080space till they add dramatic flair to it i guess yeah but they'll be saying like i'm a republican
00:36:59.620i'm a hunter i'm a veteran i have 500 000 kids um and i am not voting for a convicted felon
00:37:08.740in the next election and that's what they're going for convicted felon and that's not working
00:37:16.500with people like trump's numbers are up trump got 200 million dollars in donations after this
00:37:23.320i'm watching farid zakaria oh it's great oh it's great where he's just like this but here's the
00:37:30.260this is the vibe i got when trump ran against biden the first time i started seeing democrats
00:37:35.280resigned to that biden was going to lose and then he pulled it out of the hat you know so but i'm
00:37:41.580seeing the same thing where it's like guys okay listen trump might win and they never say that
00:37:48.520I have to admit, none of this is playing out as I thought it would.
00:37:52.680Trump is now leading in almost all the swing states,
00:37:56.380but behind those numbers lie even more troubling details.
00:38:00.760As someone worried about the prospects of a second Trump term,
00:38:04.760I think it's best to be honest about reality.
00:38:08.100I understand that polls are not always accurate,
00:38:10.740but in general, they have tended to underestimate Donald Trump's support,
00:57:33.280They shoot journalists on sight in the Capitol.
00:57:36.480I'm just going to start off by saying, under careful consideration, and running it over again in my head, it might be the worst movie I've ever seen.
00:57:59.240is the acting serviceable yes are there some striking shots sure but there's just once you
00:58:07.980take the whole movie together the entirety of it the plot is one of the worst plots i've ever seen
00:58:15.140and i hated everyone in it and it didn't seem almost like it didn't seem like a completed
00:58:21.800concept to me um and it ends just i don't know like i just i really hated the experience of
00:58:29.140watching this movie and maybe that is unique to me because civil war for people who are wondering
00:58:35.500it's a movie that if you were trying to make its argument for it you could say is a horror movie
00:58:43.340i don't think it is like but some people say you know if you think about it it's a horror movie
00:58:48.060it's not it's like an action thriller a moody thriller about what would happen if america was
00:58:55.780having a civil war and it's very sparse on the details and that's okay it doesn't give you a
00:59:02.240lore dump explaining what's going on you just get the broad strokes you get that america split off
00:59:07.840into these regional factions like there's something called like the florida coalition
00:59:11.940then there's the west coast almost like fallout in a way like there's like almost like the new
00:59:16.660california republic or something and then there's like the center power which is dc there's like
00:59:22.240five broad stroke areas um and you you never get the bird's eye view of what's going on but all you
00:59:29.320know is that there's a push into dc to like take down the president played by nick offerman starting
00:59:36.340off yeah i should have known what i was in for because it's got kirsten dunst who i don't mind
00:59:42.960as an actor but every main character in this is a journalist they're a war journalist or a war
00:59:50.980photographer and the movie takes journalism very very seriously and casts them as the only
00:59:58.660righteous voice left in america which you know right off from the gate i'm frustrated so maybe
01:00:04.640the movie's not for me but i also think that's a shitty way to tell this story because i think i0.92
01:00:09.560don't think anyone likes journalists i think any movie any movie or show starring journalists sucks
01:00:14.740because you can only ever cast them as like self-righteous assholes and i'm sorry but if0.98
01:00:20.960you're in a war zone i don't care how stern and determined you look if you're surrounded by0.97
01:00:25.980soldiers and soot and blood and fury and all you've got is a camera and you're going and you're
01:00:32.460very seriously going like the people need to know like that's not interesting it's never been1.00
01:00:39.440interesting it'll never be interesting there's nothing less interesting than a woman in a pad
01:00:44.660and a paper in her hands and she's like furrowing her brow and writing down and that and the music1.00
01:00:50.840swells because the story is being heard like fuck you and the movie denied me every single0.99
01:00:59.740journalist getting bifurcated by a chainsaw oh now i don't want to watch the end i was hoping1.00
01:01:06.460they would die every i went in this movie like well goddamn at least every single one of them0.94
01:01:11.300is going to end up in a pit on fire before we move on i actually had the same feeling about it that0.96
01:01:16.740it's like wow i hate everything about this but i didn't direct it at the director i directed it at
01:01:21.980the characters and i wondered how much of it was either intentional or accidental but if you take
01:01:28.260it outside of the current political context like you don't know who's directing it or like if you
01:01:31.920If you were an Andaman Islander and you didn't know anything about American politics, you'd be like, oh, this is like this is this is a film from the standpoint of the villains showing how the villains destroyed society and how they blame everyone else, even in their final act of trying to resolve it.
01:01:49.820They make it worse. And it's kind of neatly ties a bow on a collapsed civilization and how it all went wrong.
01:01:55.920and it's like i mean i only watched the first half of it but it's like okay so these four
01:02:00.240characters the four journalists in a bus each of them represents something that is fundamentally
01:02:04.120wrong with our institutions in our society and no none of them including the director0.58
01:02:08.320seem to have any fucking clue that that is what it is but it's wonderful because it's like you0.99
01:02:13.280literally are the worst human trash and here you are making things worse not helping anyone1.00
01:02:20.260points flying right over your head like the bullets and you go and you still run right to1.00
01:02:26.380the end and die thinking that you were right and it's like well that's why we can't have nice things
01:02:30.540that's why we're all going to die it's because of you fire and the points do fly over their head
01:02:35.220like bullets because you get the sense the entire thing that they've got plot armor on
01:02:39.180that there's just something about the film you're like okay i don't feel like they're in any real
01:02:42.860danger and you know the movie can be enjoyed if you watch it the way i watched it which is like
01:02:48.820what you did where these are the villains i am siding with every bad guy they meet along the way
01:02:54.280along this journey because they meet militia men they meet these people overseeing body pits and
01:03:00.440i'm like i like the body pit guy they're they're the one where they're being a guy didn't get all
01:03:04.960they're being sniped in like the the santa claus parade from a house that's a good that's one of
01:03:10.320the good stuff behind the truck and the guy's like who's in the house and then the guy's looking at0.98
01:03:14.520was can you can you just shut the fuck up there's a guy shooting us he's like i'm a journalist and0.98
01:03:18.280he's like cool and then goes back to it's almost like he shows up like who are we versus1.00
01:03:25.440who are we who are we right versus right now it's like the soldier had the best line which is like
01:03:32.340i don't know someone is shooting at us and we're shooting back that's what's happening right now
01:03:37.760right right right and the thing i love about that is like you said it doesn't identify which side
01:03:42.800the different sides of shooters are on it just identifies that they're they clearly both hate
01:03:48.240the journalists the one in the house is shooting at the journalists and the ones shooting at the
01:03:52.660house really are just about to shoot the journalists in which the journalists would0.98
01:03:56.140just fuck off because it was the best thing where i thought that's once you see the end of the movie0.99
01:04:00.920it doesn't really tie it up in a way where you think that the journalists are the villains1.00
01:04:06.040but the setup throughout the entire movie
01:11:47.940And then because that was the whole idea of the journalists in the story, which is that they hate the president and they want to go there to interview him before he dies.
01:11:55.320That's the entire purpose of the movie.0.99
01:11:57.060and then you you realize oh you're just agenda driven bloodthirsty assholes like everyone and0.99
01:12:03.980right but then at the same time they're they're holding their heads in their hands and screaming0.96
01:12:09.000at the inhumanity of it all and i'm like again if like as i'm describing this it sounds like it's a
01:12:15.160satire of journalists but i'm like i it didn't seem like it during it it seemed like we're
01:12:21.360supposed to take these people seriously right right but what's the where's the line between
01:12:25.860satire and just a misfire is it the intent of the author i don't know that's a good one because it
01:12:33.440did yeah i don't know what's the difference between a satire and a misfire oh i love that
01:12:39.480oh baby you know i was gonna say it this film is apocalypse now for people with a soylent
01:12:47.240subscription it is it is like imagine apocalypse now and it's just him going up the river and
01:12:56.440nothing happens bullets flying overhead but he's still like smoking a menthol cigarette and
01:13:04.000got his feet up and looking at his pornos on his phone and you remember that scene where they go
01:13:09.020to the war zone and they have that really intense conversation with like the black soldier who's
01:13:13.720got the mortar and he's firing it so imagine that but there's no fighting going on and they just
01:13:18.320stop to talk to a black guy and then keep going that's the and like take pictures and make like
01:13:24.140a witty remark which everyone rolls their eyes at and walks out of the room then there's a moment
01:13:29.020early on where kirsten dunce is this older reporter world weary and she's got this she's
01:13:35.160saddled with this young version of her and then the conversation goes like you know if i was dying
01:38:03.020But then also he created a political organization where the audience is.0.99
01:38:07.020Staffed it entirely with brown gays.0.97
01:38:08.760With brown gays and the audience of which is also brown children.1.00
01:38:13.080and young people um so it's like you don't actually have a leg to stand on with anything1.00
01:38:19.060and i didn't bring this up on the stream but like you know the experiment of the stream was to see
01:38:23.740if we could put all the drama and bullshit aside if we could actually just address an interesting
01:38:28.720topic that i think would have some relevance to the political milieu right now and the only group0.99
01:38:35.060that had something to say to try and handicap that was the grippers there's only one fucking0.97
01:38:40.180group of all of them all the nazis out there all the people who might hate us for whatever reason0.99
01:38:46.660they didn't say shit because maybe they thought well whatever no but it's only the groipers who0.98
01:38:51.920got their backs up saying this this is a threat to the thing that we're doing but that's like i0.98
01:38:56.980said it's like ngp at the bottom of their spiral they have nothing left and simultaneously want to
01:39:02.240reach out to the entire this whole scene the whole sphere and say all of this belongs to us and
01:39:07.220anybody who isn't in falling in line is our enemy they do nothing to attack the left anymore they're
01:39:12.060mostly just attacking other people within their scene they're just desperately trying to claw0.89
01:39:15.620people back into their into their umbrella it's really it's really fucking sad to be honest with
01:39:19.940america first i don't know if people caught this but just recently i was seeing a clip of nick
01:39:25.520fuentes saying that the entire america first movement people ask what it's about he was
01:39:29.920saying it needs to be a strictly Catholic movement. It has to be Catholic. And, you know,
01:39:38.220a lot of people say, well, but America's a Protestant country. Yeah, exactly. I don't think1.00
01:39:46.400you even need to answer that. People say, but Nick, America's, you say you're America first.
01:39:50.460america's a protestant country exactly exactly america france were the beginning of the end
01:40:00.740for the whole project i'm not running an american group i'm not running any political organization
01:40:06.620but if i were i would understand that the roots of america stand in protestantism specifically1.00
01:40:13.300anti-catholic actually they were fleeing the fucking catholics you goddamn idiot so people1.00
01:40:18.720say oh is it a white nationalist group well it can't be because it's mostly you know it's a1.00
01:40:23.780hispanic globalist group which is founded specifically against the true ethnic and1.00
01:40:29.380religious roots of the american nation it's it's just wild the kind of bullshit he gets but you1.00
01:40:35.680know what can give his viewers a pass because most of them are like 21 and they don't fucking0.99
01:40:40.420read so it is what it is yeah and so but and also for the record they're okay with being shabbos0.59
01:40:45.620goes as long as it's based i'm just saying as long as it's based yeah by their own definition
01:40:49.740that's one of the few things they've actually tried to do so that it just seems like you don't0.95
01:40:54.980have a fucking leg to stand on and i'm saying this as a catholic but i wouldn't come out there0.99
01:40:59.340and say catholicism can save american fuck the prostitutes because that would be insane if i1.00
01:41:04.260said that that would be that we're not we're not in italy we're not in mexico fuentes yeah like1.00
01:41:11.340it's it's fuck and also like if you're saying uh you know prostitutism has made america gay0.99
01:41:18.100okay i'm like well have you listened to the pope much lately you know you know there's a lot of0.99
01:41:25.560things people could push back on that with and i'm saying there's like there's a lot of not to
01:41:29.960get too far into it but there while there are a lot of gay protestant churches there are a lot of
01:41:34.620dissident right-wing protestant churches but there's only one catholic church and it's gay0.82
01:41:39.760i'm sorry but it's gay and like that's a problem that good good god-fearing catholics have to deal0.85
01:41:45.720with but one of the benefits of the protestant church is that not all of us are not the whole0.88
01:41:50.780church is gay there's such a thing as a non-gay protestant church although it's i'll admit it's
01:41:55.340rare and i would say okay that's a project for the catholics to undergo but i wouldn't say that0.83
01:42:01.740the catholic church can save america which is literally what he's saying which does make any
01:42:05.920fucking sense it's crazy it makes no fucking sense yeah and also he's not even and i've said0.90
01:42:10.980this before he's not even a catholic if you're a catholic why don't you have six kids you're not1.00
01:42:14.800even married you've never even had a girlfriend you've never even kissed a girl you're gay you're1.00
01:42:18.920a gay man like how the fuck are you a catholic leader of men you're you're a disgusting joke1.00
01:42:23.960dude seriously you've probably done done more to normalize homosexuals and politics in the1.00
01:42:28.740republican around yourself with sexual degenerates and drug addicts there's not one man in your group1.00
01:42:34.980who is a stand-up man every fucking one of the guys in your inner circle is a degenerate a drug1.00
01:42:41.240addict none of them are married half of them are gay like what the fuck are you doing dude what is1.00
01:42:46.080what is this like i'm just blown away every time he gets brought up as if he's fucking serious yeah1.00
01:42:51.260hey you know 1600 live viewers just tried to do a cool thing just a cool free thing not trying to0.79
01:42:57.660take over the republican party i just tried to do a cool event that you couldn't stand uh so go find
01:43:03.320another jewish lady to try and get into congress to make to make it more based go ahead find find1.00
01:43:09.460some more muslims to invite to your faggoty little go back to your home country and get a job with1.00
01:43:14.260the new jewish president and this is honestly i don't want to dwell on this but i've said this1.00
01:43:20.160i had to explain this to people before that the reason i think america first is you know certainly
01:43:27.120nick fuentes was always anti-semitic as any sensible person is but i really do think they've
01:43:32.540made this their main thing is because they've pretty much had their lunch eaten on every other
01:43:37.560topic like we all have the fact of the matter is the great replacement has been mainstreamed
01:43:41.960all of our talking points all the race realist talking points we've had for the past 15 years
01:43:47.160are being discussed by blacks and hispanics now we actually don't have much that hasn't
01:43:53.160been mainstreamed by other people the only thing we kind of have is anti-semitism um so i think
01:43:58.540they're really going hard on that but even in that case it's probably just cynical that's why
01:44:03.100with the the event they're having afpac it's like let's just grab up all the anti-semites we can
01:44:08.400doesn't matter if they're atheist even though you're a catholic organization catholicism0.99
01:44:13.340supposed to save america we're going to bring in muslims we're going to bring in dumb hoes we're1.00
01:44:18.040going to you know i mean we're going to bring in all this shit because you don't really have any1.00
01:44:21.680principles as we've seen over the years if you paid attention to america first they betrayed0.97
01:44:26.120every single principle they've ever had so to me at this point i don't know if i could even speak
01:44:31.840to many groipers you know there was one the reason i'm saying this is because there was one comment
01:44:37.380that started off very good i love this comment the way it started on youtube where it says
01:44:42.040i like dimes i'm never going to stop liking dimes i said this is a perfect comment so far
01:44:48.200but then he kind of went on about you know i don't understand what he doesn't like about nick
01:44:53.020And I just wanted to say that, like, I don't even, I'm sure you have your opinion here, but I'm like, Dwight, is this out of some kind of bitterness or hatred for him as an individual? I'm like, no, I actually think he needs to go away to come back. I could see some kind of future where he goes away, gets some kind of real lived experience in his life, because he has had none, and comes back a bit more sensible, a bit more wise, and has another run at it.
01:45:20.140but i'm like he is currently in my opinion a bad actor i think he's dragging a lot of
01:45:26.540poor naive people down with him who've been effectively brainwashed and i don't use that
01:45:31.980word lightly i think that the things i'm seeing them say are so hysterically odd that it just
01:45:38.740there's no logic applied to it all they're just defend nick defend nick at all costs i'm like
01:45:42.820well that's a cult of personality yeah um you're stuck in a cult of personality and it's not
01:45:47.920it's not on the upswing it's not going it's only going down it's been hit by too many scandals
01:45:53.300and i don't have any personal animus to him but i would say that i just think the organization is so
01:45:59.040hypocritical and corrupted it doesn't make any sort of sense to even be a part of it that's just
01:46:04.120what i think and i say that to all the well-meaning gripers who are listening like the njp had more of0.98
01:46:11.480an internal purity than this fucking mess yeah yep remember he signed on they signed on ethan0.88
01:46:19.200ralph at the height of his drunken downfall yeah as if that was a as if that was a feature not a0.98
01:46:25.900bug yeah they signed on baked alaska as he was at his gayest i can't like i'm saying i can't think
01:46:31.120of a single person that they've brought in like inducted into their little circle who wasn't just0.99
01:46:36.340the worst conceivable example of a shithead just an absolute shithead can we name one guy who isn't1.00
01:46:43.120just a total fucking useless shithead with nothing to offer yeah except you know a bombastic talking1.00
01:46:49.980points and charisma that's it it's it's been just a fucking cavalcade of losers like baked alaska1.00
01:46:57.600at his fattest and weirdest it's like who else was up there ali alexander ali alexander like1.00
01:47:03.220the convicted pedophile beards and beardly fucking wurzel root we're just watching four0.99
01:47:09.100and a half feet tall beards and beardly yeah four three point seven feet tall0.99
01:47:15.160anyway i i want to get off that topic i just wanted to clarify a couple things i think it
01:47:21.980went well i want to see i know we're gonna be running over soon but i did want to address
01:47:27.540this book that i read uh that's really really fascinating uh and we've talked about a figure
01:47:34.720from this scene that we're going to cover right now the ccru which stands for cybernet culture
01:47:41.660research unit it was this sort of collective in warwick university nick land was associated with
01:47:48.840it but so were some others it was just like the cutting edge of weird cybernetic punk
01:47:56.760theory historiography you know collected in one area nick land especially is very influenced by
01:48:04.040like william gibson and neuromancer so right like i said they're mixing all these things together
01:48:08.540so mixing like french post-structuralist theory and like um you know cyberculture stuff uh you
01:48:15.120know like i said cybernetic theory which kind of comes from like engineering and stuff really
01:48:18.800and then william gibson kind of style very fast stylish fast paced uh lots of neologisms and
01:48:27.600descriptions of stuff that are more like a william gibson book than you know philosophy
01:48:33.760or something that you'd normally read so very weird interesting mixture of elements they they
01:48:38.600had going on with with what they were doing really yeah they published these magazines and
01:48:43.840publish these blogs and this is like to me the pure uncut nick land type stuff not just him even
01:48:51.360though he's the one who's associated with it the most but this book is just called the ccru
01:48:57.020collected writings so this individual took upon themselves to pull all of the articles and entries
01:49:02.660from their website and kind of organize it in a certain way and it can be somewhat incoherent but
01:49:09.180what it does is it kind of weaves together all the stuff that they produce because they don't
01:49:14.360really exist anymore um but it only ran for like a few years well it ran from like 93 up to 2003
01:49:21.680i think so that's around a decade but um it was this really strange way of weaving together
01:49:29.240serious technological inquiry with its own sort of narrative fiction like they would write these
01:49:38.120blog articles hypothesizing futures but they would refer to people that never existed or these
01:49:43.460characters that they said worked at these universities but never really did and this
01:49:47.880sort of fabricated hypothetical research that could be occurring but anyway it's almost like
01:49:53.200this strange metafiction and there's out there somewhere there's like a a wiki someone created
01:49:59.620that tracks their their their philosophical work like you would a tv show you know so i'm like well
01:50:07.020that's interesting it's very strange it would have more in common with something like the guy
01:50:13.020who did naked lunch william s burroughs actually take a lot of inspiration from william s burroughs
01:50:18.380um and one of the themes they discuss in the book is one that i've mentioned on the show before
01:50:22.860uh the concept of hyperstition and uh when i described it before it was almost like the
01:50:28.680inversion of the platonic forms whereas the platonic forms were these extra-dimensional
01:50:34.620entities in a sense that would interface with our reality and that the forces that we deal with
01:50:41.260every day are just kind of consequences of that this is almost the opposite where the the fictions
01:50:46.640and the ideas that we come up with interface with the unknown so the idea of hyperstition is like
01:50:52.200a fiction that becomes reality as you are telling it or something like a spell so you know they're
01:50:59.960dealing with all these ideas where it's like you know even though it's fictitious it could be real
01:51:03.660what is real you know and some people immediately have an allergic reaction to that but i don't know
01:51:11.420man like i got yeah yeah but i the more i got into it i just want to i just want to cover it
01:51:15.940i just want to cover some of the the stuff that it says and you know just understand where they're
01:51:22.080coming from what they're trying to attempt but maybe you could have some fun with it maybe we
01:51:27.560it can trigger some ideas because a lot of it's just some of it's just ridiculous like uh afro
01:51:33.860futurism they're fans of afro futurism in fact i'll just read an afro futurism thing here um
01:51:40.980oh yeah so an afro futurism they call it uh afro atlantean stuff so i'm just going to read a part
01:51:48.500here it says it says afro atlantean themes have been reanimated in modern times by persistent
01:57:13.880Sometimes I would always get the sense from reading this.
01:57:17.440Not all of Nick Land's stuff is like this.
01:57:19.640You can read a lot of his articles and they're pretty straightforward, but a lot of the stuff people like from him, it's loaded up with hyphenated words.
01:57:27.020It is loaded up with a sort of vocabulary that is hostile to the reader.
01:57:39.600But I've tried to edit it down to the stuff that makes the most sense.
01:57:42.580So he says, many members of the CCRU had fled cultural studies disgusted by its authoritarian prejudices,
01:57:50.480its love of ideology, and pompous desire to represent the other or speak on behalf of the oppressed.
01:57:57.020The CCRU engages with peripheral cultures, not because they are downtrodden or oppressed, but because they include the most intense tendencies to social flatness, swarming, populating the future, and contagious positive innovation, hatching the decisive stimuli for the systematic mutation of global cybernetic culture.0.69
01:58:18.620So what they're saying is they're fascinated with like weird tribal shit because it represents a sort of flat culture that almost represents something biomechanical.
01:58:28.360There is a very similar pattern that you find in the structure of societies, in the structure of companies, and in the structure of computers.0.97
01:58:37.300And all three are moving in the same direction.
01:58:40.680that is away from a top-down structure of a central command system giving the system
01:58:48.260instructions about how to behave towards a system that is parallel that is flat which is a web and
01:58:55.180which change moves from the bottom up uh which you know we might disagree with out of hand immediately
01:59:01.280but yeah that's i mean i fundamentally disagree with everything you said it's also frustrating
01:59:04.420now because it sounds like he is actually trying to say something serious like he is actually0.93
01:59:08.040taking it seriously yeah they're straight up you're straight up wrong and retarded and all0.97
01:59:13.400of this is coming off of you writing about black mermaids so like i gotta i really want to see0.97
01:59:18.760what the physiognomy of the guy who wrote this looks like and there's a lot of occult stuff a
01:59:24.360lot of esoteric stuff about pneumograms and stuff but it gets really freaky later i want to see if
01:59:29.680we have time to get to the later stuff so i might just start reading it um he says or they say rather
01:59:35.600digital hyperstition is already widespread hiding within popular numerical cultures like calendars
01:59:42.460currency systems and other number systems it uses number systems for trans-cultural communication
01:59:49.800and cosmic exploration exploiting their intrinsic tendency to explode centralized unified and
01:59:57.700over-coded master narratives and reality models now this is where it gets weird i'm just going
02:00:03.740to read this the lumerian biochemical hyperculture propagates itself through decimal notation
02:00:10.180whose latent interconnections are demonstrated in the pneumogram which is an occult diagram of time
02:00:16.540and a practical guide to the ethics of unbelief so there's also something you know like luciferian
02:00:23.740in here which is like we don't we don't believe in ideology we don't believe in logic really
02:00:29.420we're trying to cut to the core of all that and there's a deep affection for hp lovecraft
02:00:35.000so you'll see them speak about not they won't say cthulhu but there's like this idea of something
02:00:40.940terrible and dark lurking beneath the universe and behind the universe um and they say that a
02:00:47.100few times so there is like later on you're going to see things like tech goths
02:00:53.080like it is it is very cyberpunk it's like this makes me want to bully nick land physically
02:00:59.920it says according to the tenets of hyperstition there's no difference in principle between a
02:01:06.080universe a religion and a hoax all involve an engineering of manifestation or practical fiction
02:01:12.980that is ultimately unworthy of belief which is strange because you know maybe not strange because
02:01:19.640nick land these days is pretty friendly towards christianity but you have to understand he
02:01:26.520approaches that from a very atheistic point of view almost as like christianity or religion is
02:01:32.100something i want to believe in so i'm sort of utilizing it from an atheistic logical sort of
02:01:38.400way it's it's a kind of you know i'm not saying that's necessarily bad but it he's coming at it
02:01:43.840different angle um so here's one of the characters that they invented a guy named vesperov he said
02:01:53.360in the immediate post-war years vesperov had convened the so-called cthulhu club to investigate
02:01:59.520connections between the fiction of hb lovecraft mythology science and magic and was at stage in
02:02:06.480the process of formalize and formalizing the constitution of miskatonic virtual university
02:02:12.400which is actually a fake university from H.P. Lovecraft's fiction.
02:02:17.540And this fake university, well, the digital one in this story was
02:02:22.140a loose aggregation of non-standard theorists
02:02:25.480whose work could broadly be said to have Lovecraftian connotations.
02:02:30.320The interest in Lovecraft's fiction was motivated by its exemplification
02:16:49.300what particles should spin in which direction
02:16:51.840and keeps a record of where it's been.
02:16:54.900But we could also say that that is so advanced
02:16:57.960it effectively is divine and unknowable.
02:17:03.140but now it's something that could interface directly with people as well anyway they're
02:17:09.460they're talking about a lot of ideas i think became more mainstream later on i think that's
02:17:14.140what is so interesting and valuable about this work um now he gets into this thing called tick
02:17:21.240systems tick systems are really interesting it has to do with the passage of time and how time
02:17:27.680is recorded and how information can be represented or discovered if expressed in a non-linear way
02:17:36.800because one thing they established in this work is that time is not linear sequences don't really
02:17:44.320exist outside of humans so how do how does the how does the universe communicate with itself in a
02:17:50.360sense. So it says tick systems. Tick systems are entirely intractable to subject-object
02:17:57.800segregation or to rigid disciplinary typologies. There is no order to nature, no epistemology or
02:18:05.800scientific metaposition, and no unique level of intelligence. Sub-organizational pattern is where
02:18:12.500things really happen. When you strip out all the sediment and redundancy from the side of
02:18:17.820investigation itself what remains are assemblies of functionally interconnected microstimulus
02:18:24.400or tick systems coincidental information diagonalizations echo dna and ionizing
02:18:31.660nanopopulations so again non-linear configurations of data that are not sequential but are non-coincidental
02:18:42.000in their organization so and this is what we were talking about earlier about the trauma of going
02:18:48.060deeper in the earth Deleuze and Guattari who we've covered on the show before Deleuze and Guattari
02:18:53.400ask what does the earth think it is it's a matter of consistency now start with the scientific story
02:19:00.180which goes like this between 4.5 and 4 billion years ago the earth was kept in a state of
02:19:06.860superheated molten slag through a the conversion of planetismal and metacritic impacts that into
02:19:15.080temperature increase during the ensuing epoch the molten core was buried within a crustal shell
02:19:20.600producing an insulated reservoir of primal exogenous trauma the geos the geocosmic motor
02:19:30.460of terrestrial transmutation and that's it that's plutonics or neo-plutonism it's all there
02:19:37.160anagoric memory plutonic looping of external collisions in impersonal trauma as drive mechanism
02:19:45.400the descent into the body of the earth corresponds to aggression through geocosmic time there you go
02:19:53.420And it goes further. It says trauma is a body. Ultimately, it's an iron thing. At the Miskatonic University, they call it Cthell, the interior third of terrestrial mass, semi-fluid metallic ocean, mega molecule and pressure cooker beyond imagination.
02:20:14.580Cthell is the terrestrial inner nightmare, nocturnal ocean, Xanadu,
02:20:19.600the anagoric metal body, trauma howl of the Earth,
02:20:24.340cross-hatched by intensities, traversed by thermic waves and currents,
02:20:29.020deranged particles, ionic strippings and gluttings,
02:20:35.060That is what plutonic science slides continuously into schizophrenic delirium.
02:20:39.500fast forward seismology and you can hear the earth scream and this is where we get into the
02:20:47.420tick system thing again he says sequence is not order interesting because we think of order as
02:20:54.320sort of a linear or hierarchical thing he says sequence is not order order already supposes a
02:20:59.960doubling a level of redundancy the sequenced sequence a decoded sequence is something else
02:21:07.060a sheer numeracy prior to any insertion of chronologic structure or linear structure
02:21:13.960that's why decoding number implies an escape from assumptions of progressive time interesting
02:21:20.280tick multitudes arrive in convergent waves without subordination to chronology history or linear
02:21:27.160causation that's interesting and when we're discussing fang numina many many episodes ago
02:21:31.960we discussed some of nick land's work and there was an interview in there where they were
02:21:37.220hypothesizing i forget who the interview is with but it was hypothesizing what a true extraterrestrial
02:21:43.420transmission might look like and it wouldn't be in a linear script like we're used to uh first
02:21:50.460of all it wouldn't be in english obviously but it wouldn't it might not be represented with the
02:21:54.140beginning middle and end think of it like can you design a communication that can be viewed from
02:22:00.400three dimensions what would that look like well that sound like how would we interpret that
02:22:05.360that's the type of stuff we're talking about here that's kind of interesting
02:22:08.700it's a matter of convergence and numbers do that once they're free to
02:22:14.720so the first stage required plexive introgression of the tick density scale which was numerically
02:22:21.540rigorized as digital twinning clock time is built out of one second ticks which also provide the
02:22:28.620non-periodic adjustment into the scientific measurement of astronomical cycles and this is
02:22:34.820where they take this idea and kind of run with it so he says calendric units come to be measured in
02:22:40.860seconds rather than dividing into them what divides in modernity is not the year but the
02:22:47.020second the international unit of frequency counts in splittings of the second or hertz
02:22:52.600time falls into itself through the second with trans exponential improvement and metric exactitude
02:23:00.720disassembled through successive cubic decimations into micro nano and pico magnitudes
02:23:06.340this is according to current connexus hyperstition uh sarkon's research and sarkon is another
02:23:13.580character in this story he's a researcher sarkon's research culminates into a sub-second episode a
02:23:20.220digital unlife event productive coincidence or trans time anomaly which was the flip side of
02:23:27.860the babble virus although unimaginably ancient it seems to emerge out of a neuro electronic
02:23:34.020apparatus or connexerig which webs which webs together human and ai components into a complex
02:23:40.900array resonating harmonically at one hertz coherent identity disorganized itself into cyber
02:23:47.880time through decimal zooming judas would hate that
02:23:52.840and dives into it here so take the sarkon zip as exemplary the sarkon zip is sort of a machine
02:24:00.960a rigorous conceptual machine part that enables brain function to be fused onto
02:24:07.140virtual processor states that's what it is once it's running you can't unpick the zigzag of who's
02:24:13.220what as it hums total meshing between human and artificial intelligence there is no longer
02:24:20.460technology but something else true interlinkage an unprogrammable raw connectivity they say axis
02:24:27.880went mad the first computer system to undergo psychotic collapse which must prove something
02:24:34.380but sarkhan argues that it just learned to think and discovered continuum he says here last time
02:24:41.940anyone could follow what uh sarkhan was sarkhan stuck with it all the way down becoming confused
02:24:48.000with it although he doesn't put it that way last time anyone could follow it he was insisting that
02:24:53.840to head into time makes more sense than traveling into the future they speak of something crawling
02:25:00.440under the net like fungal pestilence triggering an electronic subsistence into sheer electricity
02:25:06.820things hiding in the power grid some kind of quantum unlife intelligence
02:25:12.420and this is where you kind of get into the dark underbelly of this whole thing
02:25:19.380and we get into cyber goths cyber gothic cyber gothic exists as a web of sinister rumor
02:25:28.320haunting a subterranean soft labyrinth which it calls the crypt once it was said that there was
02:25:35.260no shadows in cyberspace now cyberspace has its own shadow its dark twin the crypt the crypt is
02:25:42.340nothing outside of an experiment in artificial death hyperproduction of the positive zero plane
02:25:48.440invested by continually reanimated reanimated fanatechnical connectivism
02:25:56.980nothing propagates itself through the crypt without realizing the operational identity
02:26:03.980of culture and machinery, effectively dismantling the organic body into numerizing particles
02:26:10.180which swarm in dislocated swirls like tick systems.
02:26:14.920Crypt entities are both hyper-vortical singularities and units of digital hyperstition, or brands
02:26:22.280of the outside, real components of numerical fictions that make themselves real, providing
02:26:27.660the practical matter of sorcery or productive involvement that function consistently with
02:26:33.260the flat line so again we're seeing uh a total convergence of like cyberspace plus magic plus
02:26:41.320like the spatialization like if you were ever reading um any any of the cyberpunk stuff like
02:26:48.060what was the one neuromancer was like this like when these people were imagining cyberspace it
02:26:54.020was a terrain you could traverse the places you could go or shouldn't go and it kind of took on
02:26:59.660a life of its own which is a bit different than how we conceptualize cyberspace right now or deal
02:27:05.540with it every day but there could be like a secret underbelly to the cyberspace where evil things
02:27:11.600lurk and it says here sprawling beneath public cyberspace lies the labyrinthian underworld
02:27:18.240of the data combs ghost stacks of sedimented virtuality spiraling down abysmally into paleo
02:27:25.600digital soft chatter from the punch card regime crypt sorcery makes itself real in the same way
02:27:32.040that it spreads functioning as a plague it associates with the experimental production
02:27:37.200of anticlimactic or anti-orgasmic counter-sexuality attuned to the collective re-engineering of bodies
02:27:44.380within technobiotic assemblages cyber gothic cargo culture patches itself together out of things that
02:27:51.780fall from the future cannibalizing them for ancient intensities which are propagated as
02:27:57.780hyperstitians it believes nothing cyber gothic has prepared itself for the coming time war
02:28:03.520inter-trafficking amongst various xenochronic mystics and calendric calendric gorillas that
02:28:10.420populate the data combs so again this is also now time travel this is also information coming
02:28:17.640across time this is the future itself imagining its future by reinterpreting and engaging with
02:28:25.340the past through that weird data transfers and the shadows of the cyber realm and you read this
02:28:33.360like isn't this cool and this is very much like a marxist you know i'm not trying to say it is
02:28:38.480marxist but the way marxism and marxist theory it just stacks and stacks and layers and layers and
02:28:45.000you know once you accept the first premise now here we are talking about cyber goth time travel0.94
02:28:51.580on life right and you know what are they fighting against what are what's the aoe
02:28:57.780trying to fight against the lemurianism right well now it's time to talk about pandemonium
02:29:03.580pandemonium is the complete system of lemurian demonism and time sorcery that's the core of all
02:29:12.240this it consists of two principal components the pneumogram which is a time map and matrix
02:29:18.880which lists the names numbers and attributes of the demons the pneumogram or decimal labyrinth
02:29:26.140is composed of 10 zones numbered 0 to 9 and their interconnections these zones are grouped into
02:29:33.860five pairs or scissor g's um by nine some twinning okay between any pair of zones however
02:29:44.100seemingly disconnected or unconnectable they may seem there is an irreducible distance which
02:29:49.980lemurian culture systematically characterized as a singular entity these entities are
02:29:55.960simultaneously gaps links holes and demons with particular traits features aspects and
02:30:02.820potentials according to lemurian demonism each demon is itself a swarm or singular conscience
02:30:11.360but also a component of a larger array which can be sorted by type the three principal dynamic
02:30:18.260dynamic groupings are chronodemons amphidemons and xenodemons and this is what it's all about
02:30:27.940But the CCRU is committed to an ongoing research program into the numeracy of the lost Lemurian polyculture, apparently terminated by the KT missile at a BCE 65 million.
02:30:41.880The CCRU has collated material from a series of cultural investigations that demonstrate the virtual existence of a lost Lemurian art of interplanetary communication or planet work.
02:30:55.800Lemurian planet work communicates with the sub-stellar bodies as distributed hyper-intelligences exerting singular influences.
02:31:05.140These planetary forces of suggestion are propagated through contemporary mythologies, systematic coincidences like tick systems, and accidental science fictions.
02:31:16.560so the again forces inspiring fictions fictions being told that make themselves into reality
02:31:23.760reality interfacing with these other dimensions and the darkness that lurks behind it all
02:31:28.940and just to wrap it up here's the we're going back to peter vasparov here peter vasparov's
02:31:35.320construction of the cthulhu club system the central region of the pneumogram is labeled
02:31:39.960the time circuit or the domain of chronos whether beginning from cons identification of time
02:31:46.140with the content of arithmetic or einstein's definition of time as a fourth dimension
02:31:50.720attempts to model time seem to necessarily call upon the number line of course mathematicians
02:31:57.420have known for well over two millennia that the number line is no way in no way compels such an
02:32:02.600assumption step by step additive progression by units is merely one arbitrary mode of numerical
02:32:09.680accumulation so there's other uh numerical ways the i ching is one he mentions here and the
02:32:18.700kabbalistic tradition now we don't need to get into kabbalah right now but you know this is like
02:32:23.840the roots of this entire system and sorcery go back into mysticism and numerical mysticism and
02:32:30.840how often numbers are used in magic and spells and how often that aligns with tradition and you know
02:32:41.120mythology so i'm just going to stop there um the whole book kind of just ends um it is once again
02:32:49.980a collection of blog posts um it really it goes all over the place and as you can see it can be
02:32:56.540very dense and confusing but it it runs on its own rails the rails of its own logic and there
02:33:04.500is something interesting in there buried in with all of the uh slave mermaids and the descent into
02:33:11.700time travel through trauma into the subterranean worlds and the relationship of like the
02:33:18.380subterranean being the place where you know dark intelligences lie you know that just fusing and
02:33:26.900fusing this entire occult numeracy with hp lovecraft and uh thinking william s burroughs
02:33:33.320was like a priest within this they didn't say that but he might as well have been sort of a priest
02:33:38.060within this emergent religion i don't know like it's distinctly 20th century maybe even 21st
02:33:45.780century that's why i like it it's it's got the the taste of something it's got the the odor of
02:33:52.600something that is novel and it's novel enough for me to think it is truly a product of its time and
02:33:59.180place i think that's relevant i think it's important to note for things like this could never
02:34:04.960have existed in the past before its time because you need popular fiction you need mass-produced
02:34:12.660popular fiction to have a high place in the zeitgeist to level that with occult numeracy
02:34:21.300and religion and you know an understanding of binary code and technology and just
02:34:29.480fusing all those together and being able to spatialize metaphysics in such a bizarre way
02:34:36.760The idea that this is one of the only, I don't know, forms of inquiry that really seems to grapple with the non-linear chronology of time and how that and how communication could work within that and how that and how we must reimagine time to reimagine communication, to reimagine the forces at work in the universe.
02:35:06.760And again, a lot of people know this stuff from Nick Land and people know Nick Land from his articles and his books.
02:35:11.520But I think if you have an interest in this stuff and really want to just get the, really get the China white version of it, this is a good place to start.
02:35:22.880Anyway, we've been on for so long and we had to let Judas go.0.56
02:35:28.260He couldn't stay with us on this one because it is, it's very, very late and this is very, very insane in the best way possible.
03:18:19.440And that's a joke he told in real life.
03:18:23.720or yeah like in in his i think that was a joke he told on the podcast even uh was that he he
03:18:31.400he tried to uh you know he would make a bet and he made the same bet as this mafioso looking guy
03:18:40.520uh and he lost it all because he oh that wasn't that wasn't a mafioso guy that was a long shot
03:18:46.580louis you know who always bets the long shot and always loses yeah well the funny thing is
03:18:53.220that even comes up at the very end of the book which we don't need to cover right now we can get
03:18:58.200to it a bit later because that last page mentions long shot specifically but um you know just come
03:19:04.820back to the beginning of the book i wanted to just mention one thing that i i have a real affection
03:19:10.640for like small town canada stuff and norm a lot of what you think about him he speaks in
03:19:17.080speaks like a guy who's got an appreciation of americana you know he loved mark twain as well
03:19:22.000like he loved yes mark twain's all over this book mark twain hemingway dostoevsky uh steinbeck
03:19:28.680definitely yeah but he and there are parallels to small town life in canada growing up on a farm
03:19:36.440growing up you know he's he mentions repeatedly in the book and i believe this is true like he's
03:19:40.340got the soul of a laborer like he's he says like i should have been the laborer and i got very lucky
03:19:46.060doing this but i think i really do think he carried that mentality and sensibility with him
03:19:51.460later in life you know uh sort of a humbleness and a workmanlike appreciation of just getting
03:19:57.760up and doing the job despite whatever addictions he might have had at the time but uh i hope that's
03:20:05.620not overblown or he's not just you know larping as that i don't think he was because he's really
03:20:11.320does seem like a small town ontario guy from his demeanor yes definitely and he i think that's he
03:20:18.700he's not one to walk on airs and i think he i i think it's probably i mean he he talked about
03:20:27.260in his real life how he was raised by older parents so he was around a lot of old people
03:20:33.940a lot of death and that grounded him to to the world in a way that a lot of comedians probably
03:20:43.520weren't because the thing about as soon as you get famous like your patrice o'neill actually had0.96
03:20:52.500a really good bit on this on opie and anthony like it's a beast that eats you and shits you out
03:20:58.680and you just got to get back in line to get eaten again and everyone is running to get back at the0.99
03:21:04.780end of the line to get back into right right because once you're it before you get shit out0.88
03:21:08.460and after you get eaten like life is good in the stomach yeah and there's no shortage of people who
03:21:14.600want to line up every single day to do that um but yeah like you know speaking like you were
03:21:21.120just describing norm always seemed and this might be unfair but he always seemed like the opposite
03:21:26.900of someone like uh a dennis miller so and a dennis miller who's a great conservative leaning comedian
03:21:34.920um but he was a guy who had who loved five dollar words and norm hated that so like dennis miller
03:21:42.460was always looking for a way to muscle in the peloponnesian war into a bit and just just to
03:21:49.520like flex on the audience and norm never wanted to do that and so i really do think there was a
03:21:54.180deeper appreciation of humanity that comes through in his writing that he's not trying to
03:22:00.280put on a spectacle and not trying to seem smarter and you mentioned bill hicks earlier and bill hicks
03:22:06.180was a breed of comedian that was trying to you know elevate himself above the audience you know0.99
03:22:12.900i always say that some comedians have this attitude where everyone in society is stupid0.99
03:22:18.440except the people in this room right now yeah yeah and george carlin was a master of that1.00
03:22:24.020everyone's stupid except us right like like i've got the older i get the less patience i have0.97
03:22:31.000for that type of guy and the more appreciation i have for someone like norm mcdonald i think0.99
03:22:37.120i think it's also norm knew at a young age he was smarter than everybody else
03:22:44.380yeah and he's a careful observer and he is a very well-read guy and he didn't want like that's a
03:22:51.160very rare mix where someone knows that they got they're tuned into something no one else has tuned
03:22:57.400into but they don't use it to elevate themselves above others and quite the contrary he might make
03:23:02.780himself an embarrassment a fool but um you know anyone who's ever met him anyone who's read like
03:23:09.160you read this book like oh there's a highly intelligent person who wrote this and i know1.00
03:23:13.060this because i've read what these other fucking morons have written and they're trying to sound0.99
03:23:17.500smart olivia munn really wants to sound smart she wrote an autobiography at like 29 who does that1.00
03:23:24.260a sociopath a lot of these people are fucking sociopaths amy schumer might very well have0.98
03:23:30.060three autobiographies you know what i mean but like because they don't they don't know how to be1.00
03:23:35.200a fucking person and a lot of comedians don't no they don't and what is and it's funny you bring0.92
03:23:42.520up dennis miller before because i think besides conan o'brien right of of the famous people who0.99
03:23:50.380got norm i think dennis miller was the biggest norm fan yeah exactly that's why i didn't want
03:23:55.920to like disparage him because i know they were big friends and i mean like yeah norm got like
03:24:01.340his big break writing jokes for or one of his breaks uh writing jokes for dennis miller uh
03:24:08.780yeah Dennis Miller you're right he I mean he had that political talk show for a while where it was
03:24:15.300like uh I think it was an HBO show where he got to just like riff on whatever and like he definitely
03:24:21.960tried to be he tried to take weekend update with him wherever he went right yeah I guess he would
03:24:30.720be like the conservative version of Bill Maher at the time because Bill yeah yeah a little bit but
03:24:35.460Less, less so, less smarmy, like whatever, whatever, if, if liberals like smarmy max, then what, what would a conservative, I guess like conservatives have like this inferiority complex to liberals when it comes to education.
03:24:57.340So they're going to try and use as many $5 words as possible.0.99
03:31:25.360so so uh i know i know that you are not a fan of the boomers i i have an essay uh that should be
03:31:32.600coming out on double dealer uh pretty pretty soon about some traveling i did and i think i i take a
03:31:39.260tangent where i just go into how much i despise the boomers as a generation well i will say this
03:31:45.220uh in the chat that we're both a part of someone prompted me by saying give me some boomer hate0.60
03:31:50.660Yes. Yes. That's what I wish I'd save that somewhere because I could just listen to that on my commute every day.
03:31:57.680But I also take great pains to also, you know, try and maintain a connection with boomers to be like, okay, we've got this issue in our society, where the older generation seems to hate that younger generation and vice versa. What can we do about that? So I'm always trying to engage with the boomers as well to try and see it from their point of view as well. I know Tim Dillon, mentioned him before he's coming out with a book called Death by Boomers.0.69
03:32:25.460is he i i always thought that that was a fake business idea i didn't know he actually had a0.96
03:32:31.040book coming out i'm excited to read that yeah and it's you know it's going to be like how boomers
03:32:36.040ruined america ruined the economy but i'm i'm always so pro that yeah i'm always challenging
03:32:42.900myself though not to go down that road because i'm like you know like one day and this is something
03:32:49.640And just to circle it back to Norm MacDonald, what I recognize in him as I get older is, like you had mentioned before, a man who's familiar with death, who's comfortable around death, and who's thought about death more than most people have ever had, especially from a young age, it seems, if he was battling cancer repeatedly.
03:33:10.380so i think there's there's like a type of mind that they they behave a certain way and think
03:33:17.400certain thoughts about the end about the future a lot of young people don't think about the future
03:33:21.900it's very rare that someone even in their 30s or 40s thinks about what's it going to be like when
03:33:26.880i'm 70 what's going to be like when i can't take care of myself i think he did um and i try and do
03:33:31.460the same thing so i'm a millennial i'm in my 30s and i'm often overtaken by this fear that you know0.99
03:33:40.140one day we're going to be treated like the boomers because there's no shortage of dumb shit0.96
03:33:45.300millennials have done and i've mentioned this before i'll give you one we've made an utter0.99
03:33:49.600casino out of crypto and just flooded it with rug pulls and shit coins to the point where0.93
03:33:55.640crypto is seen as this insane cult like thing whether that's earned or unearned or fair or0.97
03:34:01.460unfair and that's going to be laid at the feet of millennials by the younger generation they're
03:34:05.640say why did you guys do that why did you kill crypto why why did you guys treat crypto like
03:34:11.720the boomers treated the real estate market and i'm not going to have an answer for them oh man
03:34:16.240that's i have a lot to think about now yeah so i'm trying to be like okay let me figure out if0.97
03:34:22.160there's a way where we can put an end to this intergenerational war because i see that coming
03:34:27.400and maybe i'm a bit too fatalistic thinking about end of life thinking about me in my 70s if i'm
03:34:33.620lucky but you know for a lot of millennials you chat really think about what you might be like
03:34:39.560when you're in your 65 70 80 there's a um oh man i heard this story and i heard it i i it was either
03:34:46.760a video from a tv show or something it might have even been yellowstone and i'm kind of0.83
03:34:50.680i'm reluctant to tell it if it's from yellowstone because it's so gay but hey guess what i've watched0.96
03:34:56.720all that horse shit too so talk about a show that had such promise from the first episode0.99
03:35:02.960it literally just goes beat for beat with the godfather but with cowboys yeah and like i'm like0.99
03:35:08.780okay i'm like i'm like hell yeah i i can dig this and then it just girl boss too close to the sun
03:35:16.120that the character of the sister what's her name yes you know the death i'm like fantastic actor0.58
03:35:25.060fantastic performance from her terribly written character i hate her character and i hate the
03:53:55.420Like, like more cowbell, you know, just like the fucking J Jonah Jameson0.99
03:53:59.780looking for more pictures of Spider-Man.0.96
03:54:01.600Yeah, and just, you have to, that had to be the low point of his career, I would think, is just, you know, he does have everybody's support.
03:54:14.680He's got David Letterman in his corner, you know, he's got all the SNL guys who liked him, you know, so really that's just Sandler at that point, who goes on to be like the biggest star in the world, you know.
03:54:31.600it's funny like this is i want to say something that sounds very gay but norm mcdonald just like
03:54:39.100patrice o'neill has this what i would call like a devilish element about him devilish flair
03:54:45.620where he's like they're begging me to stop doing oj jokes and my career's on the line probably this
03:54:51.480is rolling the dice but wouldn't it be funny if i just never stopped wouldn't it be funny if i just
03:54:57.120blew this up wouldn't it be funny if i was invited back to snl after i was fired and just talk about
03:55:04.700how much the show sucks i know and you're not like shane gillis didn't do that no no shane gill0.94
03:55:10.080shane gillis said that he wanted to shoot himself on live tv live from my mouth this gun0.98
03:55:18.480i i mean like as far as bits go like bits all over the place but
03:55:29.360but he's on fire ladies and gentlemen shane shane0.96
03:55:37.020he he doesn't have he nobody has that though that set of balls he he is he was like the ballsiest
03:55:46.460comedian yeah like shane like to me norm did what i don't think shane gills will do because i actually
03:55:55.740think deep down shane wants to be he wants to be famous he wants to be a company guy like it's not
03:56:00.820in him he doesn't have a self-destructive streak i don't think he wants to be the bud light guy
03:56:05.820he he i respond very positively to guys who have a self-destructive streak in all forms of media
03:56:13.080whatever your trade is that's why i love that i keep bringing up patrice o'neill but there's other0.99
03:56:17.760comedians like that who you know get into a room full of executives and tell them to go fuck0.92
03:56:23.100themselves just for a just because you think that would be the coolest thing ever it's not for0.98
03:56:28.040content there's no camera on it it just becomes this story that people trade in arty lang has
03:56:34.320the best norm story ever in that regard uh apparently like after uh after an episode of
03:56:40.620snl harvey weinstein is at the studio and they're all talking and apparently harvey weinstein loves
03:56:48.640this one comedian who every all comedians thought was pretty gimmicky i think it might have been i
03:56:53.740don't know who it was i think it might have been andrew dice clay they never say you know it might
03:56:58.980have i'm trying to think of because there's a few gimmicky comedians but he would be the king of
03:57:02.540gimmick yeah and and and um so harvey weinstein says i think this guy's a genius what do you
03:57:11.600think norm and norm just looks around and he says what is he like good at math or something
03:57:16.780and just completely makes harvey weinstein who who at that time is the most powerful man in0.99
03:57:25.780hollywood he makes him look like a total asshole just the dismissiveness of that comment0.97
03:57:32.180is what does it it like a hard passionate no would have been less insulting it's like what1.00
03:57:38.820the fuck are you talking about and ask kissy yeah he's great and or or just something to0.98
03:57:44.220ingratiate yourself with with the biggest name in hollywood and you get a dirty work too1.00
03:57:49.160or you get you get a sandler level career because and listen i i like adam sandler movies um i i
03:57:57.420really i really respect that he stayed loyal to his friends i like him as a guy yeah his movie
03:58:04.320his movies now suck but i i kind of respect that like go and get a lot of money for you and your
03:58:11.040buddies like because that's what i would do i would do that can i say this another tangent0.93
03:58:16.540i was thinking about the movie click today and maybe this is a pathetic point that other people
03:58:24.400made before but i really do think there's something very deep and dark about that movie
03:58:29.160as a very a very masculine metaphor because the the story of click is the man finds a remote where
03:58:36.180he can fast forward through parts of his life that he doesn't like right making control the universe
03:58:41.020with this remote universal remote yeah yeah and he uses it to like fast forward through his life
03:58:46.120to only get to the good points he ends up destroying his marriage uh because you know
03:58:50.420what happens to him when he is fast forwarding well he's kind of on autopilot he's just staring