00:00:00.000as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be
00:00:07.720blood satellite i have a couple of songs i wanted to set up and i don't know if you've heard them
00:00:23.340so this might not even work but i don't know if you heard the uh and these are ai songs
00:00:29.780uh the first one it was like a country song just about breaking bucks
00:00:35.620it's just and it's like a full verse two choruses oh i think i heard that there's a
00:00:46.340lot of these going around right now hey i don't arrange just a dawn's light i wake up strong my
00:00:54.280spirit bright with leather boots and hat pulled down i've got the toughest job in town
00:01:04.720breaking bucks for more until nine drop my pants i ain't have no thought tears and sweat
00:01:13.600Yeah. And honestly, this is exactly what I wished would happen.
00:01:29.380How's my voice, by the way, do I sound good?
00:01:31.700You're good. You're, you're, uh, you're total. I think, uh,
00:01:36.500I don't know if it's my earphones though, because it sounds,
00:01:39.080it sounds better than normal. So maybe it's you, maybe.
00:01:41.940Okay, great. Because sometimes the platform gives me like an error message. And I'm really trying as hard as I can not to crowd the mic. Because I, you know, occasionally I can be accused of having too many wet mouth noises, which is, you know, if you're just a wet mouth guy, generally, you can mask that in real life by leaning away from people subtly when you talk, which and it's easy to do.
00:02:09.780a lot of people don't do know this because you know they don't know what to look for but if you
00:02:14.720actually just thrust your hips out most of the time you'll like subtly create the illusion that
00:02:22.540it adds a couple inches it adds a couple inches at the top takes off a couple inches in the middle0.78
00:02:27.580yeah and you know that you think oh that's going to make me look fucked up yeah but0.80
00:02:32.780one thing i learned recently is looking fucked up really helps you yeah i mean i've been a0.93
00:02:40.440proponent of that for a long time i want to get i gotta get your wife all right bob on the horn0.80
00:02:47.540because she shared a meme on her breakaway meme page which we have to have a conversation about0.94
00:02:55.700i don't appreciate her doing that i don't appreciate her safening off our best freaks
00:03:01.380but she shared a meme that i'm gonna i feel like i can paraphrase it because i've been
00:03:07.200running it repeatedly in my mind for like two days but it was just this it's a woman meme
00:03:13.020and once you see a i recommend everyone subscribe to a female led meme channel because you'll get
00:03:19.860girl memes and then you realize i don't know i've never seen a girl meme before they got a whole
00:03:25.620and maybe it's bigger like when you go into a clothing store you're used to the men's section
00:03:30.380you look around the women's section is three quarters of the store that could be the memosphere
00:03:34.960you don't fucking know i don't know it's a whole other ecosystem yeah she had this meme where she's
00:03:40.740like men and she didn't make it of course she's sharing it but it was like men or the woman say
00:03:45.200I think it's funny how men think that they need to be ripped tall Adonis
00:03:50.660when every woman that I know either wants a little elf prince
00:17:12.380as long as people are calling each other with a device,
00:17:15.280I think that just means like electronic transmission and more so than a
00:17:20.360telegraph or more so than anything that predated the phone which would be arguably as relevant
00:17:27.320you know i don't know yeah i just find this stuff interesting even even houses if you think about
00:17:32.180the idea that um that you know what is it like more than half of the earth is urbanized now i
00:17:37.700think especially in north america we're largely urbanized and then places like in my area all the
00:17:43.060new houses that are being built look like china like they're they're flat top rectangular glass
00:17:48.260and steel shit with like concrete gray facades but my little girls still draw they draw a house
00:17:55.040with crayons and it's two sloped roofs and a door and two windows and a chimney is there a chimney
00:17:59.520and a chimney and it's like the thing is our house does actually look like that so it's that's fair
00:18:04.260but i mean you still see that as an icon everywhere and it's like we're on my house is 100 years old
00:18:08.920but like most houses don't fucking look at the very least houses do not have chimneys you know
00:18:13.700what i mean like who has a fucking chimney every house that's built now looks like how the0.86
00:18:18.420mcdonald's look yeah like gray fuck i think we mentioned this in our previous episode but i have
00:18:25.780fallen in love with the term millennial gray yep there's i saw a video where it was i don't know
00:18:32.900some kind of funny video where they're in like a shitty taco place and it's smelly and there's
00:18:39.020oil everywhere but the girl goes to the bathroom and she's so thrilled that's a nice bathroom and
00:18:44.380everything's in millennial gray and i knew exactly what they meant when they said that1.00
00:18:50.040because i'm like that's the shit my wife likes that's a lot of shit people's like wives and
00:18:54.580girlfriends like because it's it's modern it's muted it looks clean but it's everything and i0.64
00:19:00.800had to catch this a few times where she's like trying to get the interior of something i'm like0.70
00:19:06.460this is just millennial gray it's a fucking mind hack that they've used on us to make everything's0.55
00:19:12.600just simple and basic and ikea like it's ikea shit but if you kind of make it white and gray0.55
00:19:18.060i don't know like it makes it makes people think it's new so i don't know i i've been trying to
00:19:24.880work the term millennial grays as like a term for like people of our generation who are into that
00:19:31.440Yeah, I mean, from the color, the millennial gray thing is one thing, which I hate.
00:19:36.680I mean, I've probably seen the charts of that, like the car colors and everything else, that everything has gone over that way now.
00:19:41.900And I do think we're to blame for that.
00:19:44.640TikTokers allege that many millennials coat their lives in gray from wall paint to living room furniture and even kitchen cabinets, oftentimes without even realizing they're doing it.
00:19:54.660many millennials are getting defensive over the new term but some admit that as they've gotten
00:19:59.980older the color gray is a good way to describe them i disagree with that all right but then the
00:20:05.720architecture is a whole other thing where it's like gray in terms of aesthetic where everything
00:20:10.580has to be geometric and everything like there's no roof lines there's no curvilinear elements
00:20:16.020there's no like everything is it's just flat and everything's open concept everything is just here's
00:20:22.920a big space yeah you fill it whereas and i've talked to my wife about this when we look at
00:20:27.480houses because i loved and we talked about this before i'm sure about like houses built in the
00:20:32.10070s where there was a design aesthetic and the example we always use was sunken living rooms
00:20:36.960i'm like that was a space designed for a specific purpose and like a sunken you gotta step down
00:20:43.000living room it's like you're stepping down into a meeting place psychologically does something
00:20:46.920different when you go there but now everything is just big square room that's like multi it's a
00:20:53.280utility everything's a utility room but there's no kind of flow whereas like with old houses you're
00:20:58.660like this is the entrance way it's designed to ferry people into this room the parlor or this
00:21:04.200room the kitchens in the back i was reading a thing like a primer for how to be a landlord
00:21:08.960and i know max can probably speak to this but uh i like reading how how to be a landlord guy well
00:21:17.300you know what it's a guy a guy was talking about like hey if if the market ever dips this is how
00:21:22.120i made my money in like 2009 and it could happen again if the market crashes again and what he was
00:21:26.860saying is what he did is he bought these these uh like distressed multi-family houses like duplexes
00:21:33.820and triplexes in a not that nice area of town but then it was the whole idea was he noticed that
00:21:39.440that area was gentrifying and it's like okay so how do i go and renovate these and he says the
00:21:43.080mistake that he said and this is the way he phrased it this guy's our age um or he's a little0.95
00:21:47.520bit he's maybe like 40 and he's saying like look the mistake the boomers made is they try to get
00:21:52.880creative they want to make it beautiful they want to add their own technique no no you find this one0.84
00:21:58.840contractor there's one in every town and he's the guy with a van full of gray paint and all he
00:22:03.740does is fucking rental units and you call him in and you do not give him any instructions you just0.65
00:22:08.620tell him it's a triplex i want the bog standard doorknobs sink hinges everything and he's got it0.92
00:22:16.820in stock they've got he knows where to get it and he his whole argument is a it's not offensive it's
00:22:22.740not beautiful it's kind of ugly but it's not hideously it's not offensively ugly and it's
00:22:28.400fucking dirt cheap so you're gonna make way more money and you can undercut the next guy in the
00:22:33.240market by five percent and then you'll make the sale more quickly so that's essentially and i
00:22:39.420listen to that i'm like oh well that that fucking makes sense this is why like our place that we're0.51
00:22:44.420we're we're in a rental but we're renting a hundred year old house and it looks like the0.68
00:22:49.140last time it was decorated was like the late 60s and i love it it's like all solid oak and
00:22:53.240everything through the whole place but like if you go to an actual rental rental like a modern
00:22:57.240rental it might be quite modern and new but it's all like you know white marble laminate and
00:23:03.860eggshell gray paint and silver doorknobs and it's all like and it's all like walmart grade
00:23:09.600it's the same logic behind a pool where there's people like for some like you you love that and
00:23:16.740you're the type of person who should have that house but there's way more people that hate that
00:23:21.020or don't get it or don't know they don't see the appeal of it just like a pool there's people who
00:23:25.780love pools and they install a pool in their house and they're thinking that's going to add to the
00:23:30.560resale value and it doesn't it actually takes money away yeah because there's a lot of people
00:23:35.340who don't like pools or there's a lot of people who might be on the fence but then they think
00:23:39.900fuck i gotta fill this i gotta maintain it what i'm in canada so i gotta i don't have access to
00:23:45.920it for most of the you know what i mean so yeah there's all these things where if you love it0.88
00:23:50.340if you love it you won't pay more you'll pay the normal price and for everyone else they want to
00:23:55.000pay way less yeah yeah exactly and so just imagine that with like i me loving a sunken living room
00:24:02.020yeah or me loving like weird 60s quirky architecture maybe i'm the only one maybe1.00
00:24:07.860that's just a white guy thing maybe maybe like all the fucking single moms that are filling up0.95
00:24:13.040society you know what it is they don't know what to do with that you know avocado toast we joke1.00
00:24:16.780about like the duality of avocado toast like on the one hand it's super uh bougie and sophisticated
00:24:23.320and vegan but what it really is is fast and cheap and it's just this new this new species of
00:24:30.420millennial thrift where we we've learned to do things that don't result in ego death but do
00:24:36.340allow us to save money because otherwise we don't really know how to cope with the fact that we're
00:24:40.520so completely fucked as a generation i wonder if that's part of it like we've convinced ourselves
00:24:44.900that gray and boxes and everything being the fucking same is actually what we wanted actually
00:24:50.080i love it that way i mean if you give me a choice i'd pay more for it that's my favorite
00:24:53.920um but the truth is that a that's all you can afford and b even if you could afford more
00:24:58.700that's all that's available in most places that's actually a very good point like the the person who
00:25:03.840eats avocado toast and i eat avocado toast we just make it at home and we use a very very wrong with
00:25:10.400it a very pretentious type of bread i there you go that you would hate no but it's actually this
00:25:15.940we went and found this like low calorie but high protein bread so it's like a science bread and
00:25:23.560it's just covered in grains and covered it just it's supposed to be the healthiest bread ever
00:25:27.220but i put avocado toast on that so avocado on that and whatever i don't need to justify my
00:25:32.560bread my my bummer bread get him he's spiraling somebody get him no don't get me i have so little
01:08:29.120and it's just like there's so many Godzilla movies that just
01:08:31.840suck and a lot of people a thousand people probably worked on them from beginning to end
01:08:36.800and it's just you sit there high laughing at it laughing at this effort that's such a weird thing
01:08:44.560to do i guess in hindsight but yeah like godzilla i don't know i i don't see the appeal really and
01:08:51.300i've heard every explanation he's like you know it's a metaphor for noose yeah i know oh yeah
01:08:56.040because yeah that that went over my head as a child i saw oh it's a giant nuclear monster that
01:09:04.240belch nuclear breath at the people who are always talking about nukes yeah that social commentary0.87
01:09:11.140needed your fucking commentary to clarify it jesus fucking christ what's you know king kong0.96
01:09:17.680it's a metaphor for um apes be like apes fucking your shit up monkey'll fucking chimpanzee'll rip0.98
01:09:26.740your arms off dude everyone's like oh skull island's pretty good you it was good peter jackson's0.94
01:09:32.340king kong unironically i i with jack yeah it's got jack black in it jack black is actually playing
01:09:39.340a perfect jack black character over the top you kind of hate him he's like an old showbiz guy
01:09:46.780but it that would every from every pore of that movie was seeping like style and research and
01:09:53.800they did because it's peter jackson they did all this like crazy ramp up to the movie where they
01:09:58.560really planned out all the monsters the locales and it just visually stunning and king kong the
01:10:04.760cgi is phenomenal and king kong actually behaves and moves with the weight of a giant ape and what
01:10:14.000you're noticing is when you watch these other movies it's like there's no weight to anything
01:10:17.400like i'm watching this new godzilla versus kong movie and the first thing you notice is like
01:10:22.720these look like ps3 graphics it's it looks really bad and look i have a lot of tolerance for a cheap
01:10:32.900movie a low budget movie because you can make a low budget work especially in horror um and i i
01:10:39.440I was thinking about that the other day, about how you and I have known guys in our lives, like in high school and stuff, and they wanted to be movie guys.
01:10:48.800And their entire personality was being a movie buff, and they wanted to get into films.
01:10:54.340And a lot of them went to school for filmmaking, right?
01:10:58.160And they worked their whole lives to produce a movie.
01:11:01.960And all these guys make the same mistake every time is they choose a type of movie that's just beyond their reach.
01:11:10.600It's just too complicated because I was watching a little documentary, a little mini thing about the movie Swingers by Jon Favreau.
01:11:18.900And the story of that movie is actually really interesting.
01:11:21.520Like Jon Favreau, pretty famous director, down on his luck.
01:24:45.140talk about before we get on the next thing
01:24:47.000So there is a new entry of real secret coffee hours up on the paywall that's on Gumroad and Patreon. This one is the one that no one asked for. I was reviewing a sub stack written by this woman named Ayala, who is, I guess, the right adjacent sex worker and sexpert who wrote a blog post about her gangbang that she planned to participate in.
01:25:17.000it on her birthday and she broke all everything she learned from it she displayed in graphs it's
01:25:24.740uh it's one of the worst things you'll ever read but you know we we uh have some fun with it
01:25:29.120so she's been on lex friedman too like she's been around she's in in these spaces probably
01:25:36.860gonna be on alice kashuta's show soon gross um there's also a new article up on the vanguardist
01:25:44.180journal vanguardist journal.com we also have a sub stack so i the main site vanguardist journal
01:25:50.680has all the stuff i just republished it on sub stack so if you're on sub stack look that up you
01:25:55.780can follow it there some people prefer that so i'm just making it available the title is crucified
01:26:01.440futurism this was an article that i really enjoyed writing and i think you'll enjoy reading
01:26:08.480it was submitted to another uh publication that i will not name but they thought it was just too
01:26:16.000weird so you be the judge i will say i think it's the least weird one that i've written recently so
01:26:23.340you know that tells you about my publishability give it a look um and also and maybe we can even
01:26:31.120spend a couple minutes on this and have some fun with it um i we have we're announcing a very big
01:26:38.420live stream events that's been a few months in the works and it is on friday may the 30 31st the
01:26:47.220last day of may it is the panel that i might have teased out here recently um it's a big live stream
01:26:55.400panel with uh many figures that people will recognize including aleric the barbarian
01:27:01.360prudentialist is going to be on there steve sailor is going to be on there john doyle is
01:27:05.740going to be on there a lot of guys we haven't had on the show before and maybe outside of our
01:27:11.140typical sphere but that was by design the topic is going to be baby boomers versus gen z boomers
01:27:19.020versus zoomers the purpose of the whole panel is to say like what we all talk about all the time is
01:27:26.560boomers are disinterested in passing the torch the younger generations millennials and gen z
01:27:32.500specifically and gen z feel that they should have the torch passed but boomers think that they're
01:27:37.600undeserving of the torch and in this sense the torch is wealth capital influence all the stuff
01:27:45.080they seem to be hoarding and we've i've never seen it discussed practically with both parties
01:27:52.200boomers and zoomers or millennials never came together and actually had a real conversation
01:27:57.000about what the chasm is and so I thought let's just do that let's get some representatives from
01:28:04.020each side and we're going to hash it out not intended to be a debate per se but maybe there's
01:28:10.520some differing opinions and I wanted to have a pretty decent spread of opinions and so that's
01:28:16.200what that is and I'm very proud of it and took a while to set up and schedule properly originally
01:28:23.740it was with a friend of the show named meta prime who actually was very integral in getting this all
01:28:31.020set up but he had to step away so it's just going to be me hosting it so it's mine to fail at so
01:28:38.640that alone should be a reason for you to tune in maybe i dropped the ball spectacularly it's going
01:28:43.940to be streamed odyssey youtube twitter just like our live streams and it's designed to be a standalone
01:28:49.500event like a happening and i wanted to experiment with doing something that wasn't explicitly
01:28:54.680branded to the show and just like this this cool thing that happens it's not like we're starting
01:29:00.280a series on this it's just a standalone evergreen thing and that's something that made me very very
01:29:06.560excited um but one thing i had noticed since we just announced it a couple of days ago
01:29:12.520was i was getting uh i wasn't expecting this and maybe i should have i was getting a surprising
01:43:13.860to enforce crippling oil sanctions on the Nascite Republic.1.00
01:43:18.640Decolonialization was inevitable, of course,1.00
01:43:20.640and a sincere and natural political movement in Africa,0.99
01:43:23.400but it would need some European prodding
01:43:25.660and intrigue to help it along the way.
01:43:28.180So you're so convinced about something's inevitability
01:43:31.000that you're willing to bend the rules and i think that's an interesting relationship where
01:43:35.200if you truly believe something is inevitable you'll do anything together because
01:43:40.640who are you to prevent something's inevitability in a sense and again i hate to keep mentioning
01:43:45.760that thought experiment rocco's basilisk but there's other versions of it out there but it's
01:43:50.540like if you are truly convinced that this future is going to happen it's just whether or not
01:43:55.880you're known as helping it occur your toolkit expands like you're willing to bend the rules
01:44:02.380you're willing to blur any line to get there because you know if if it almost seems like
01:44:08.680justice it's justice that this is the future and so why is there any dirty pool in justice right
01:44:16.100which is something a lot of these lawyers would unironically think he says there are two points
01:44:21.860to make here the first is that opinion can be rapidly shaped by confident political movements
01:44:26.820like the communists like leftists i agree that the conservative party needs to find a way of
01:44:31.580appealing to young people this will not come from promising to build more heckin houses in swanley
01:44:37.660or tentatively increasing the child care allowance it'll come when a party of the right pitches to
01:44:43.220uh nicholas 30 years old there's an appendix here we will cut immigration so you don't have
01:44:50.600to finance kareem and will punish him for committing crimes we will raid pension funds
01:44:56.900to pay down the lockdown debt we will sell off all that social housing in east london and build
01:45:02.460six bedroom houses in the ashes for you and your girlfriend to start a family and give us power
01:45:07.300or grimly accept a lower quality of life than your parents enjoyed i know you're not a a statist by
01:45:14.440any stretch of the imagination however if you were to have a political party one that accomplishes0.97
01:45:20.660those things would be ideal right basically like we're gonna take everything from these migrants1.00
01:45:25.660and just build big houses for you to have a big family in and again i mentioned this before but1.00
01:45:33.080it's like what covid 19 the lockdowns and the stimulus proved was that the government can kind
01:45:40.880to do whatever the fuck it wants when it wants to it and we see this in the welfare state but
01:45:45.920the covet 19 uh phenomena was relevant because of how quickly they with snap of a finger they
01:45:53.220just decided to just give people money and do whatever the fuck they wanted so the question
01:45:56.840is well why don't they do that for you where i can build you a big house to have a big family
01:46:02.520on a nice plot of land if they fucking wanted to they just want to build favelas so a conservative0.54
01:46:08.140movement could be radical in the sense that they would they would enact a radical policy
01:46:14.780for a traditionalist outcome that to me is i've never once heard a conservative say that but
01:46:22.520imagine pierre poliev saying that like i'm going to act like an absolute fucking psycho
01:46:27.440to make sure you have a house with a chimney do you realize how well that would work yeah0.65
01:46:34.860the second point here is that you must never ever ever accept pessimism that your political
01:46:40.980opponents want you to believe in your opponents are not high status members of the cathedral
01:46:46.200wearing turtlenecks sitting in a cafe in new haven with a macbook they are gibbering reactionary
01:46:52.380alcoholics like steve bray who are screaming against the inevitable tide of progress
01:46:56.780human germline engineering the fall of fray net zero immigration zero percent income taxes
01:47:04.020the abolishment of edi the depopulation of the north these are pots of gold that aren't just
01:47:09.600there for the taking this revolution is the natural and unassailable consequence of the
01:47:14.300injustices that the social democratic regime has inflicted on britain so that's i think that's a
01:47:21.720great thing these aren't things that are just inevitable they are they're things that you can
01:47:25.340stop. What other response could there be to Rotherham to 50% of your income on rent? The
01:47:33.480spring is coiled and futile whimpering from old ghouls like Alistair Campbell cannot prevent it
01:47:38.380from bursting free from the box. I believe this sincerely. Musk's tenure at Twitter has unlocked
01:47:43.960rapid progress in American politics. Friends of the sub stack and their tweets find the tweets
01:47:48.780plagiarized within days in the opinion pages of the August broadsheets. I think there's a lot of
01:47:54.420truth to that and i do this is something that we always bring up like do not do not fall for the
01:48:00.340the trap of thinking that progress like it's written it's in the code of the word progress
01:48:05.920we're always progressing we're always moving forward so we have let our enemies hijack the
01:48:12.160entire concept of moving into the future as something that they define and we have fallen
01:48:18.880into that trap by saying that we just own the past um and i think there has to be there has to
01:48:24.700be some kind of model where we we we have to be moving forward with the past in mind or
01:48:30.820recontextualizing the past but if we can't always be looking backwards because all we own is stasis
01:48:37.440rather than inevitability um what do you think about that and it was kind of a short article but
01:48:42.960it just hit that point that i think was important what do you think about that no i i actually agree
01:48:48.680i completely agree i think um it's kind of related but there's kind of for me an idea
01:48:54.320of accountability when i'm working on a large project or something that i'm not even sure it
01:48:58.720will work i think of it in my head as if it's inevitable or it must happen or it will happen or
01:49:06.640putting it in those terms it's like you said it almost like feels like you're accountable
01:49:11.400towards it like it's going to happen with or without you when you want to be a part of it
01:49:15.940Or rather, you speak to other people in those terms. And even if you don't necessarily believe it, it makes it real for them. And there can sometimes be a feedback loop where that encourages them to, at the very least, get out of the way to allow it to happen. And yeah, it's definitely, if we're just talking about the benefit of doing it or not doing it, yeah, you should absolutely treat things as inevitable.
01:49:37.720it's easy to tally up the failures the practical acute failures of leftists in their attempts to
01:49:45.240enact their policy but simply by them pursuing it that does inch that boulder up the hill
01:49:52.960an inch by inch over time so it's like yeah you can say that they didn't get exactly what they
01:49:57.580wanted but they've changed the temperature by so many of them repeating it and that's
01:50:02.760to sort of dialectical it's like the political the political environment that we exist in
01:50:08.580it's people exerting power and and we live in the tension between those two forces so it doesn't
01:50:15.680even matter if they succeed in their campaigns the fact that they're fighting it is what really
01:50:20.960matters and that's what affects the discourse that moves or that moves the overton window
01:50:25.580there's lots of different ways to summarize this phenomena but it's the fact that the fight is
01:50:32.360being fought that changes the relationship of power to those who are advocating for like
01:50:38.200these leftists are like you said just fucking moronic drunk pieces of shit but it turns out
01:50:45.660just being being those things and also loud and also consistent is enough to kind of move their
01:50:53.540policies in that if progress is happening it's just a certain color they assign to it and it's
01:51:00.140a color that we don't want to bother painting with so it ties into this book that i read recently
01:51:06.540that i really liked um is written by this guy named martin gurry and this martin gurry guy is
01:51:13.440a fascinating individual um he wrote this book called revolt of the public which i'm not sure
01:51:21.300if you wrote that with revolt of the elites by christopher lash in mind but it's almost the
01:51:26.140counter example um i think you might find this book very interesting but martin gury is a former
01:51:31.140cia analyst who's always going on about the relationship between politics and media writes
01:51:37.480a lot for discourse magazine but he's like from the world of you know military and civil intelligence
01:51:45.040which i think you know adds a bit of a bit of credential to what he wants to say but what i
01:51:51.100would hear from my masters was so what is people going to do when the secret police comes knocking
01:51:55.000on the door, hit them with their laptops. It was a bad joke again, but that's what I heard a lot.
01:52:00.680I left government in 2010. 2011 was Arab Spring. Arab Spring was absolute confirmation that you1.00
01:52:07.960could take a revolt from the digital universe to the streets of Cairo and Tahrir Square and overthrow
01:52:16.680a dictator of 30 years. That revolt was entirely planned on Facebook.
01:52:22.000This is similar to the last book we covered, which was The Emancipation of Authorship, which is all about how the fifth wave, the information revolution, completely changed the relationship of individuals to information, that information as it relates to power.
01:52:38.480And I think this book takes that a bit further and talks about how populist movements that oftentimes are initiated by online sources and online communities can actually tear down the authority of the central governments.
01:52:57.700this happens all throughout the world whether or not they're influenced by you know dark money
01:53:04.660funding cover revolutions the mechanism seems to be the same and it can in fact happen in america
01:53:11.540occupy wall street gathered together occupied several places around america's very park a few
01:53:17.780months passed by they dissipated you know whatever happened happened and now they're gone and each
01:53:23.700Each one of these revolts begins online, and each one of these groups has the characteristics
01:53:31.700of an online group, and anybody who's been online knows what that is.
01:53:35.880It means ferociously egalitarian, ferociously egalitarian.
01:53:41.220Nobody stands out, and whoever thinks of standing out a little bit gets immediately just attacked.
01:53:48.040Non-programmatic, it means that every one of these groups are against something, usually
01:53:53.000just the established order right and if you were to press them what are they for they would
01:53:58.360disintegrate into hostile you know war bands saying well i'm for this i'm for that you know i'm
01:54:03.880i'm a libertarian i'm an anarchist i'm a socialist i'm a conservative but we all are against some
01:54:10.440some established thing uh like the spanish government with the indignados like mubarak
01:54:15.480with with the terrier square um like capitalism for occupy wall street they're against that but
01:54:21.960But you ask them, what would you put in its place?
01:54:24.440And it's not like the individuals don't have answers, but there's no group answer.
01:54:29.400And I find this interesting because in our spaces, people scoff at populism.
01:54:35.680And especially if you're a fan of elite theory.
01:54:37.900And, you know, we have covered elite theory and I like it quite a bit.
01:54:40.540But I think it's unignorable how the information revolution has tilted the axis or otherwise reshaped the relationship of central, solidified, ossified power to the rest of the public,
01:54:55.800which are now able to network in a more dynamic way and attack the authority of the center of power.
01:55:03.440And this is how we covered this with Empire and Communications and a few other books.
01:55:08.360Stephen Marshall McLuhan talks about this, about how we've adapted new communications techniques that the center power doesn't understand, but it's slowly trying to adopt.
01:55:18.420But again, it's not all the way there. And as that's happening, we are still attacking the authority in ways that were unthinkable, even 50 years ago, of politicians, of institutions, of academia, of everything.
01:55:31.780Everything is in flux right now. And then we've just gotten used to it because we're young enough to be used to it.
01:55:36.660But this would be something interesting to ask boomers, like, you know, do you remember when you were 20, 30 year old, how there was zero legitimacy to anything?
01:57:04.600I also think that in the digital age, the government could clearly be flatter and faster, but also that the elites have absolutely no intention of allowing this to happen.
01:57:22.780importance measured by public attention reflected elite tastes as newcomers from the digital
01:57:29.660frontiers began to crowd out the elites our sense of what is important fractured along the edges
01:57:34.560of countless niche interests that passive mass audience on which so many political and economic
01:57:40.700institutions demanded had itself become unbundled disaggregated fragmented into what he calls viral
01:57:48.320communities groups of wildly disparate size gathered organically around a shared interest
01:57:53.440or theme and this is you know that'll sound familiar to anyone who's on the right or in
01:57:58.840the distant right um but that's replicated everywhere else um people are configuring
01:58:04.460themselves in new types of groups and what's interesting is if you contrast this against
01:58:09.140our coverage of um the square and the tower by niall ferguson you know this isn't far and away
01:58:15.440from how intellectual movements in the past occurred is just supercharged so there's more
01:58:21.240people there's more educated and connected people forming more types of groups that you know the
01:58:27.220ossified center of power just can't fucking understand and when they do link up together
01:58:32.500they can actually attack power more coherently than any time in the past he says he says it's
01:58:40.780simply false to say that the public can't make the leap between virtual and real politics.
01:58:46.960The problem has been posed in terms of online quote-unquote weak bonds against real-life
01:58:51.600strong bonds. All we need to know about the strong bonds objection in connection with the
01:58:56.220Egyptian uprising is that it applies only to the old mode of forming a mass movement.
01:59:02.000If the protesters of the Egyptian uprising and many other Middle Eastern color revolutions,
01:59:07.120if those protesters had sought to replace the regime with specific set of people programs and
01:59:11.940principles the weak bonds the digital world would have been insufficient but that's not what brought
01:59:16.840the varied uh egyptian public into the streets they just wanted to get rid of muberic and that's
01:59:24.420something that he he mentions quite a bit in the book that if i don't get to it because we'll run
01:59:29.340out of time i wanted to establish now it's that we often forget that populist revolts or revolts
01:59:35.400of any kind aren't really supposed to actually propose a policy position you know when they take
01:59:41.520down power people say like oh they ripped it down and so who are they electing to replace it well
01:59:46.900that's not actually the point and that's not how you get anyone to do anything you can almost only
01:59:52.100coordinate the people to destroy something or to take over the palace or storm the capital
01:59:59.000And the fact that you don't have a guide, a new Congress to install there, that's not really part of the selling point of a revolt. It's just to like, we just know we want this motherfucker gone or those motherfuckers gone. And what happens after that is a different beast entirely.
02:07:06.180the border is already clear can neutralize but not replace the center networks can protest and
02:07:13.180overthrow but never govern bureaucratic inertia confronts digital nihilism the sum is zero
02:07:20.560i like that part that put into words something we've been developing over the past couple months
02:07:26.820But it's interesting hearing someone, a former CIA analyst, a former CIA analyst, analyst, I'm trying to say analyst and assistant, a CIA analyst assistant is what I was trying to say.
02:07:46.820i like this part too he says the closest historical parallel to our time may have been
02:07:54.940the wars of religion of the 17th century i say this not necessarily because of the chaos and
02:08:02.040bloodshed of the period but because every principle was contested if an educated person
02:08:08.500that era were transported to the present the first question would be who won catholics or
02:08:14.220protestants for us the question has no meaning both sides endured neither really one something
02:08:21.540different evolved from that conflict much the same i suspect will occur with the dispute of hierarchy
02:08:28.220and network and that's the part that stuck with me i think if anything sticks with the listeners
02:08:34.980it should be that and this is why i said sort of dialectical at the start which is you know these
02:08:41.080two opposing forces conflicting against each other and the tension created between them that
02:08:47.160tension is almost like our reality so the fact that these two opposing forces are opposing each
02:08:53.660other period means that we live in the reality of whatever those two sides are so and there will be
02:08:59.860that synthesis like when we think of winning losing we think one the catholics and the
02:09:05.220process one was victorious over the other well no we actually have 21st century america where
02:09:11.640the versions of catholicism and prostitutism that we have now within america would
02:09:17.880may perhaps literally blow the minds of the 17th century people out of the back of their skulls
02:09:24.340and that's that's how you need to conceptualize the future as strange syntheses of these forces
02:09:31.080And these forces, these forces impacting the future, not specifically by the specifics of their schemes, but something that reminds you of them.
02:09:43.980But, you know, they didn't get exactly what they wanted, but they persisted in a new evolved form.
02:09:48.620So just like the very presence of communist agitation will perpetuate the existence of communism in the future, even if they don't get their certain policies enacted.
02:09:59.460there will be communist policies kind of working their way in some form in the future
02:10:04.000unless you remove communists entirely in that sense the very presence of these people the very
02:10:11.460free speech of these people perpetuates their existence going forward there is no marketplace
02:10:16.760of ideas there is no zero-sum game where one idea loses once it's proven wrong once it's been
02:10:23.580disputed yeah have you ever noticed that you know communist dictator communist governments failed
02:10:28.820all through the 20th century yet we still have communists so that should just let you know that
02:10:34.360there's no like there's no authority to tell which and then interestingly there's places
02:10:40.440where the communists won like vietnam and 50 years later they're really only nominally communist or
02:10:49.860china right like can you really let's be honest is china is china a communist country i mean it's
02:10:55.900an authoritarian it's weird that they believe they're communist more than they are like it's
02:11:01.400a weird thing they're doing and it's that's the same kind of thing it's like capitalism versus
02:11:05.320communism it's like we don't really have capitalism or communism anymore not in the way that we did
02:11:10.080during the cold war we have all of this weird globalist state capitalist you know it's all
02:11:16.140shades of brown it's awful but i mean it is interesting to say that you know that that old0.98
02:11:21.660war is kind of it's a it's a ghost now i don't know it's weird both sides lost according to
02:11:28.200their own terms yes both yet both survived and became melted to each other like two enemies
02:11:36.760fusing into some fucking sick chimera like like like godzilla and king kong
02:11:44.360right you could have let it go i'm trying i think the end of yeah because they're they're friends0.91
02:11:50.760and enemies but they all unite against mecha godzilla and in fact it is godzilla and king
02:11:57.120kong and friends because i forgot to mention this they brought mothra back oh nice um and when
02:12:05.360when asked how that happened the movie did not have an answer because mothra died in the first
02:12:37.740so he says here at this stage the public clustered around network communities of interest
02:12:45.400has effectively taken control of the means of communication vital communities revolve around
02:12:50.780favorite themes and channels which in the aggregate reveal the true tastes of the public
02:12:55.400as opposed to what the mass media corporations or governments wish the public to be interested in
02:13:00.580the public and this is what i found most interesting because he even ties this to
02:13:05.500If you remember when we talked about the transformation of the public sphere by JĂĽrgen Habermas, I believe, about the emergence of the bourgeoisie as this educated class representing the public.
02:13:21.380They were known as the public, and the rest of the people weren't actually known as the public at the time, just the sort of generated representatives of the public, like the mouthpieces of the public.
02:13:33.920He says here, the public can never be the people because the people are an abstraction of political philosophy.
02:13:44.020Thinkers like Locke and Jefferson, who affirmed the sovereignty of the people, were preoccupied with protecting the freedom of action of the individual citizen against the crushing embrace of the state.
02:13:55.040The famous we the people of the preamble of the Constitution was a rejection by the framers of the ultimate authority of the state governments, but the people themselves were eternally present, were eternally absent, rather.
02:14:09.620Walter Lippmann, he said, the public is not a fixed body. The public is any group of individuals
02:14:19.080who are interested in an affair and are pursuing it as either actors or by influencing other actors.
02:14:27.820So in the contemporary setting, there is no such thing as a public. There are many publics.
02:14:34.300It just sounds silly if you say publics in plural, so I always say it in singular. But when I say it,
02:14:38.800Think of it more as a mosaic, as a fragment upon fragment.
02:14:46.640The ordinary person, so hopelessly parochial through all of history, got flattened into the masses.
02:14:53.160Better educated, more affluent and mobile, and organized into gigantic hierarchies for every domain of activity.
02:15:00.600The masses functioned as the anti-public.
02:15:03.540More precisely, the masses impersonated the public for the benefit of the hierarchy while stripping it of all spontaneity and repudiating its authentic interests.
02:15:14.080In the marketplace, for example, the mass consumer was created by stripping away all peculiarities and recognizing only certain universal needs and tastes, those satisfied by mass production.
02:15:26.020intoxicated by the successes of industrial organization the founders of mass movements
02:15:31.380and their admirers and imitators sought to reduce political action to pure mechanics this was true
02:15:38.300right and left and regardless of any actual content of the movement's ideology and i just i
02:15:44.440love that explanation of like what do we mean by the masses what do we mean by the public if the
02:15:50.740public as a representation of the masses then you have the masses as being defined by society as
02:15:56.940like what is like the materialistic individual in a sense as as a unit of politics and then mass
02:16:04.620movements basically the entire idea of a mass movement emerged from the industrial revolution
02:16:09.160that we can use in these individuals as cogs in this political machine right and that's you know
02:16:16.740maybe that's ending too because do we young people millennials gen x are we still enticed
02:16:24.400by mass movements not really i think january 6th was such a great example of this like if you want
02:16:30.940to just like zoom in on that movement it was a collection of different groups like you had the
02:16:36.620america first group then you had the info wars group and those are actually different and then
02:16:41.120had like q anon types and these guys don't get along but they they kind of just converged in
02:16:47.280this one sort of area but it wasn't a mass movement it kind of became its own thing but
02:16:52.320the idea of like having like like like jimmy hoffa represent like the biggest union in america and
02:16:58.840being able to wield that as if he's some kind of monarch that doesn't fucking exist anymore
02:17:03.880even like the teachers and cops unions don't operate like that they're just almost like a
02:17:08.900mafia at that point and a mafia isn't really a top-down organization it's just clusters of
02:17:13.780psychos stealing and occasionally someone has to step in when there's it gets slightly too
02:17:19.200violent but other than that you know mafias are pretty chaotic if you look at them0.85
02:17:23.420he says here the relationship between the public and the crowd is not transparent1.00
02:17:30.780though closely associated one another the two are never identical the public we know
02:17:36.660is composed of private persons welded together by a shared point of reference,
02:17:41.440what Walter Littman called an interest in an affair.
02:17:44.860Members of the public tend to be dispersed,
02:17:47.340typically influence events from a distance only,
02:18:06.660like a riot for example in direct democracies in like ancient athens it could be said to represent
02:18:13.140the will of the sovereign people everywhere else the crowd can represent nothing but itself
02:18:18.220the mass movement buried alive the public and deprived the crowd of all spontaneous life and
02:18:24.460independence of purpose everything was scripted and the scripts appeared insincere almost by design0.72
02:18:30.700a tendency that attained a pathological intensity in north korea where the masses were made
02:18:36.340or to perform acrobatic tricks usually reserved for the circus it says authority as i use the
02:18:43.640term flows from legitimacy derived from monopoly to some intermediate degree the public must trust
02:18:50.000and heed authority or it has no authority at all an important social function of authority is to
02:18:55.480deliver certainty in an uncertain world it explains reality in the context of the shared
02:19:00.860story of the group for this it must rely on persuasion rather than compulsion since naked
02:19:06.620force is a destroyer of trust and faith authority being an intangible quality those who wield it
02:19:14.080wish to be recognized for what they are current structures of authority and a legacy of the
02:19:19.320industrial age the public when it needs answers turns to institutions rather than charismatic
02:19:25.220individuals he said if i were a doctor attempting to diagnose this particular sickness which is the
02:19:32.360crisis of authority i will look for definite causal patterns and symptoms and symptoms
02:19:37.720among the patterns i would include exaggerated expectations by the public
02:19:42.320abetted by exaggerated claims of competence by authority a second causal pattern would be the
02:19:47.900elite's loss of control over the story told about their performance particularly when it failed to
02:19:53.740meet expectations. Such control, I noted, is a function of monopoly. So another way to diagnose
02:19:59.580the pattern is to determine whether the public has broken the institution's grip on information
02:20:05.460and communication. For example, climatologists conspiring to silence distant views must believe
02:20:12.540that their data is a professional secret and their private emails are invulnerable,
02:20:17.300while the public must be able to see the emperor for all's nakedness. And he actually goes into
02:20:21.800this in the book like one of the biggest leaks that damaged the uh climate science guys the
02:20:27.640scientists was like once the leaks of their email showing that how much they hated the public and
02:20:32.980how much they thought the public was stupid and even though their client their their data was
02:20:36.980wrong and fucked up they're like these people don't even have a right to view this who are they0.86
02:20:41.500to question us even though we don't know what we're saying um and then so so that was like a0.84
02:20:46.900crisis of authority like no we tell you what the climate is and that's why like climate science
02:20:52.700has never recovered it's never recovered like if you look around like that's one thing people
02:20:58.660should take into account like zero people take climate science seriously all you've got
02:21:04.100is the state wielding this hammer trying to like push through legislation but go ask people on the
02:21:11.380whether what their opinion of global warming is no one really takes it seriously anymore i don't
02:21:17.820think like it's mocked routinely in in articles and everything and so that is a great example of
02:21:23.180the crisis of legitimacy um he says here and this kind of cycles back to what we're talking about
02:21:29.000before authority has always fostered an illusion of inevitability for obvious reasons if an
02:21:35.620expiration date were stamped on the federal government uh defection from its mandates would
02:21:40.400begin today to the extent that the public doubts the permanence of institutions the authority of
02:21:47.100the latter will be subverted there's a belief that digital is forever that naked photos of the youth
02:21:53.180of your youth will haunt you to the grave in fact the opposite is closer to the truth digital means
02:21:59.080ephemeral online authority influence and attention fluctuate rapidly websites go up have a brief
02:22:06.080moment on the speaker's platform then turn mute the words and images sometimes persist fossilized
02:22:12.160but just as often disappear you would expect the loss of a stable existence on earth to drive a
02:22:17.880search for a fixicity on a higher sphere if that if this is the case a rise in the appeal of
02:22:25.000fundamentalism will testify to the experience of impermanence i thought that was an interesting
02:22:30.040thing that you know we do think that things that are said online will follow you forever
02:22:34.960it's actually the opposite it's the most in flux and impermanent place you can imagine which is
02:22:42.100evidenced by people's inability to find old media like media is constantly slipping through our
02:22:48.180fingers it's very hard to locate anything unless it's you know being perpetuated purposefully
02:22:55.240he's got a part here and near the end of the book that i found really interesting he says
02:22:59.580drill down into the networks that have enabled the public to confound authority and you soon
02:23:05.160arrive at what i would call the personal sphere this is the circle of everyday life experienced
02:23:10.160directly in all of its local specificity here the choice is meaningful to an individual get
02:23:15.700generated spouse children friends career faith government and high politics fill in the background
02:23:22.040because the personal sphere is tightly clustered information seldom strays from more than one or
02:23:28.440two causal links away from action. A friend mentions a job opening in his company. You apply
02:23:33.540for the position. Government in the 12th century looked into the personal sphere, found it ineligible
02:23:38.820for its purposes, and thought to impose on it symmetry and uniformity. In democracies,
02:23:45.940the impulse to standardize usually led to some version of Brasilia, the geometric city without
02:23:52.280sidewalks or neighborhoods. The public had options, and everywhere had cashed them in to pull the
02:23:57.160elites down to the lower height of the political pyramid ordinary people have turned the tables
02:24:02.640on the standardizing bureaucracies and now insist that their tastes and interest be imposed on the
02:24:08.680larger system and that really that really is the heart of this book it is the force projected
02:24:16.040from these new communities that have formed on the borders which more and more people
02:24:22.220populate and they're granted more tools from which to affect the authority of the state and
02:24:29.040they've been attacking the authority for decades now which is why nothing in our society right now
02:24:34.640has any authority and i think that's actually evidence that we are winning um if you if you
02:24:41.740look at what the actual war is and if you look at this thing called the distant right really we're
02:24:49.240just attacking and we've been attacking and we've been pretty good at attacking i think our greatest
02:24:54.900victories have been us attacking the authority of institutions and over time moving the overton
02:25:01.800window or red pilling people or disrupting the status quo however you want to describe it
02:25:07.580we're pretty good at that and often we're hard on ourselves and say well what do we want to replace
02:25:11.580it with well maybe most of us don't need to maybe for a lot of us attacking that authority
02:25:20.300is enough because it shouldn't be the responsibility of everyone participating
02:25:25.160to have a full schematic for what happens after the authority is completely disrupted
02:25:30.640the people who want to plan for that are probably already planning for that
02:25:34.960but for most people like the person who just hate that the government hates them
02:25:40.660and they look and they see politicians advocating against their interest it actually is enough for
02:25:47.280you just wanted to get them the fuck out to clear them out as bowden would say you know and for most
02:25:53.280people that's enough for the rest of us we will come up not us specifically but those who are
02:25:58.720thinking about this will try and come up with some type of plan but the purpose i think for the
02:26:04.680disson right and maybe a lot of the fringe right right now is just keep attacking the authority
02:26:10.280that's all you need to do right now maybe that's all you should want to do because that's hard
02:26:16.240enough as it is it's actually pretty fucking hard to break down all the pillars of this system
02:26:21.160that have become hijacked and aligned against you because you can actually attack those and
02:26:26.920collapse those without collapsing the entire society and living in the ruins and inheriting
02:26:32.340the ashes which is what some people think about like they actually need everything to be flattened
02:26:36.940I don't think so. I just think you need to probably attack the institutions and the the legitimacy of the power.
02:26:44.320And I think that anything that replaces that is probably going to be done by our children.
02:26:52.220I think that's a good that's a good window of time to keep in mind and don't put too much pressure on yourself that you don't have the answer right now.
02:27:01.980I think it's a multi-generational project to not just fix society.
02:27:07.780It's not just fixing the government or trying to medicate or reorient the state.
02:27:14.600That's not really what we're doing here.
02:27:16.300We are, in fact, trying to find new grounding as this system is failing.
02:27:21.920This is what it feels like when the system is collapsing.
02:44:44.060And that's actually how you find your market as well. And you actually get to understand these people. And it's interesting to understand people. It doesn't need to be scary. It can be very fun. And the joke I always tell people, it's not even a joke, it's just more of a comment, really. It's that if you are in marketing, you'll eventually become racist because you need to be.
02:45:05.760You will look at the numbers and you'll say, well, black people buy a certain way and they like certain things.0.83
02:45:12.480The fact of the matter is black people like seeing black people in ads.0.99
02:45:15.940Why is that? Well, because they're racist as well.0.91
02:45:17.960You know what I mean? Like there's certain demographic trends you can prove with data.
02:45:22.880And a lot of the agencies don't want to look at that data, but it's there.
02:45:26.960But then once you see the data, you're like, well, why is that?
02:45:29.500And you can really spend a lot of time in figuring out why these behaviors exist as you're catering to those behaviors, if you find yourself in that position as well.
02:45:38.840It's interesting that if something is true, it will inevitably rise to the surface.
02:45:45.700You can't, if something's true, if there's a truth out there, you can do whatever you want to try to keep it from appearing.
02:45:52.740But it's inevitably going to show up, which I think is a white pill kind of from our perspective.
02:45:57.340Like, if we believe certain things are true and that there are certain structural issues, we're like, these sorts of behaviors, this sort of policy, this type of action will inevitably cause this, whatever the thing is that's taking those actions, to fail.
02:46:14.860Well, okay, so if all these different institutions around us are doing all of the things that we believe is going to cause them to fail, then it clarifies the solution for us, at least in my mind.
02:46:29.060That means, okay, plan on what are you going to do when it fails?
02:46:34.260How are you going to navigate around it?
02:46:35.440How are you going to recruit other people to that same cause?
02:46:39.200And that is the essential question, and I'm glad you said that.
02:46:43.520and you not a lot of people ask that question and i'll tell you why my theory anyway it's that
02:46:48.520most people not most that's unfair a lot of people let's get technical a whole whack of people on our
02:46:54.560side don't actually believe that they can win so they don't even believe in a win scenario for them
02:47:01.440it's a strange thing and this is some people call call it blackpilling call it nihilism which would
02:47:07.720be more technically correct but they just they're so convinced that they're almost convinced that
02:47:13.320they what they believe is wrong so they can never foresee a future where they're even vindicated
02:47:18.320it's like you want the collapse to happen but you don't think the collapse will happen so it
02:47:22.560never occurred to you to think of what to do when the collapse occurs you know a great example would
02:47:29.100be i don't think most people again using these words a whole whack of people on our side were
02:47:34.460never prepared for the mainstream adopting a lot of our arguments on a lot of topics i'm not trying
02:47:41.140to pigeonhole you with these topics but there's a lot of people right now who are say who are
02:47:46.020talking like you know 4chan posts from five years ago about jews that was inconceivable you know
02:47:53.380only a couple years ago the fact that that's we didn't we'd never prepared for the day when this
02:47:59.840would be in the zeitgeist so we actually don't know what to do now there's a few people i know
02:48:04.380some people are kind of pushing you know keith woods is doing things with aid you know whatnot
02:48:07.840but for most people they're like what we didn't think this day would come so we were almost
02:48:13.020convinced of our own the inevitability of being on the fringe forever and so i think when people
02:48:19.060break away from that mindset they could actually plan there's a technical term for that that uh
02:48:25.060finding yourself in a situation where you you're not sure what to do is i think it's called uh
02:48:30.260getting caught with your dick in your hand that's that's it is a technical term yeah yeah that's
02:48:37.340kind of that's so then when this sort of thing happens you start to see this kind of uh like
02:48:41.540collective freak out where nobody was really prepared for this to happen and so then people
02:48:47.780start trying to rationalize why it's happening and then i guess if you have certain um certain
02:48:54.900priors then you might default to saying oh well the reason this is happening you know if my if my
02:49:00.980premise is um every single one of these things is orchestrated and done for a particular purpose
02:49:06.900namely to harm me then when i see something like this well actually actually this wasn't something
02:49:14.720that just kind of organically bubbled up this is something that was intentionally seeded for
02:49:19.260specific reasons to to orchestrate particular outcomes and i think that's possible but even
02:49:26.740if that was the case okay well then what are you going to do about it are you just going to just
02:49:31.860kind of like wave your arms around and impotently yell about it. Like, again, this goes back to the
02:49:39.680marketing thing. If you want people to share your values and to start moving in the direction where
02:49:44.740you want people to move, then you have to put yourself in their shoes. You have to figure out
02:49:51.620what does this person value? Because the thing this person values is the thing that that's where
02:49:56.200I can get them. I can offer them something that they want and I can then start moving them
02:50:01.300intentionally yes and that's a fantastic segue into another point and i speak with people about
02:50:07.540this pretty frequently it's like sit and think very carefully about the groups who are not only
02:50:13.220on your side politically let's call it the dissident right but also maybe groups along
02:50:19.360the border who aren't really in it yet or not really on board with all the ideas but could be
02:50:24.460i'll give you an example um there's a huge marketplace that's a bad word for them but
02:50:30.280huge marketplace of like homeschooling moms that there's a lot of moms out there who are fed up
02:50:37.320with you know public schools fed up with vaccines fed up with all this stuff but like aren't really
02:50:42.920in our sphere yet they're right on the borderlands so you have to think okay that's actually a really
02:50:48.840important demographic everyone talks about getting more women involved in this side and here's a
02:50:53.240group of women who are probably they fit eight out of ten of the value sets that you might want in
02:50:59.320these circles so how do you make not even our ideas but affiliation with us attractive to them
02:51:06.860well now you got to get into the mindset of you know a mom who's you know a soccer mom who who
02:51:12.900hates vaccines who's part of these groups if you're a guy and you're you're not married and
02:51:17.640you don't have kids that's a whole different world to you i'm married i have a kid so i'm kind of
02:51:23.400adjacent to the whole weird mom internet so i i can kind of see i'm not a part of it but i kind
02:51:30.040of see over the hill and know what's going on over there but i'm like there's a huge massive
02:51:33.460human capital over there and that's a problem to solve and problems to solve should make people0.67
02:51:39.760excited and you could actually just sit with three of your friends in a fucking room and have
02:51:44.660a brainstorming session of like how do we get these people involved but what does it take does0.65
02:51:48.760it take like we set up a special farmers market like what and what else and why do you want that
02:51:54.220here's another point and this is something i'm hoping to develop in an article at some point
02:51:59.780in the future really asking like what you want these people to do because there's this idea that
02:52:05.680persists in our sphere i think that we're hoping that our ideas will become attractive to the
02:52:11.840mainstream to everyone else and they'll take your ideas and they'll propagate virally and they do
02:52:17.040And then when they do, then everyone freaks out about, oh, no, no, no, this is actually a trap.
02:52:22.300Well, and also what you start to see is those ideas change as they're adapted, because there's a difference between an idea and someone with first principles.
02:52:31.080First principles are a lot deeper.0.59
02:52:33.500So you can take kind of a dissident idea about monarchy, about, you know, one example would be, you know, Bronze Age Pervert came up with this idea of the longhouse.
03:08:37.840a solution start to take shape this is a cultural change that we could do and maybe you got to do
03:08:43.640it based on race to maybe do this for asian women the birth rate crisis is happening 10 times worse0.92
03:08:52.460in south korea so maybe that involves a different approach that's a whole conflagration of mess
03:08:58.000happening in south korea and maybe that's different for you know europeans or white westerners however
03:09:03.520but now you're starting to see a solution start to form i want to really emphasize one of the
03:09:09.380things like like the the purpose for why you're emphasizing why you're focusing on this the way
03:09:16.000you are is because like like you said you know women don't want to be shouted down to they don't
03:09:20.560want to be told this is your biological imperative to do this and like you said it's true but it
03:09:25.400doesn't matter that it's true because we want to be persuasive and the reason we want to be
03:09:28.700persuasive is because it should be obvious that we need women on board to make any sort of0.99
03:09:36.760cultural waves. To build a civilization, you have to have women. It literally is a biological1.00
03:09:44.620imperative that you have women on board. And to have those women truly on board, they can't be1.00
03:09:50.220bludgeoned into that position. This is just not how women work. It's not that you can't bludgeon1.00
03:09:57.080them because it's mean or because it's wrong or because it literally it just does not work
03:10:02.400it's like um you know it's like uh i don't know it's like like picking up soap in the shower
03:10:07.660there's particular ways that you can do it just reaching down and grabbing it as hard as you can
03:10:11.820isn't going to work you're not going to be able to pick up the soap it's going to keep squirting1.00
03:10:15.140out this is kind of how women are as well and there's a there's a fractal get some fractals1.00
03:10:20.160in the chat there's a fractal uh relationship between uh the individual and the and the
03:10:26.540collective society the things that are true for the individual are also true at the collective
03:10:30.640level so as an individual if you're a guy who's who's uh low status who's unattractive then and
03:10:39.240you want a woman a woman the advice that someone's going to give you who really cares about you is
03:10:44.340you need to make yourself attractive to a woman what are the things that are attractive to a
03:10:49.820woman, make a list of them, and then figure out a way to accomplish those things. On a social level,
03:10:55.420on a collective level, we also need to be attractive to women. This is a biological1.00
03:11:02.620imperative because it's a biological imperative that we need women on board with us. So how do1.00
03:11:07.760we make ourselves attractive to women? How do we offer women what women want from the perspective
03:11:12.920of a woman? My good friend Josiah has given us a line that we use over and over again.
03:11:17.980Shout out Sudoku Politburo on Twitter. He said that dealing with women is 100% perception management. And this is the case here. So our public perception, it doesn't matter how true or right or autistically accurate we are. This is just the libertarian thing all over again.
03:11:37.900it's the same problem with the libertarians they they have they think they have all the answers
03:11:42.020correct and everyone looks at them and they're like man i don't want to be around a libertarian
03:11:45.000i want nothing to do with the libertarian i don't care how true or right libertarianism is
03:11:48.940i've met libertarians i don't want to be a libertarian we we don't want the libertarian
03:11:53.280ant smell on us where people don't give a shit how right or true all your ideas are they don't
03:11:58.620care about your your your breakdowns of history or your your philosophical inclinations or your
03:12:04.460economic understanding none of this stuff matters if you cannot simply cross the threshold of being
03:12:09.980attractive to women if you could be attractive to women as a whatever a movement or collective
03:12:15.460or organization or whatever it is if you could be attractive to women you have got the rest of
03:12:20.880the culture by the balls because the entire culture follows middle class middle to upper1.00
03:12:25.300class white women they drive the economy forward everything revolves around them and getting their0.69
03:12:30.660minds and capturing them so if we want to do that then the project laid out before us is1.00
03:12:36.080how do we make ourselves attractive to these to this demographic and also one thing to keep in
03:12:42.160mind and this is a bit of good news is that i would say most women come to these conclusions0.93
03:12:48.500themselves later on so it's actually just a problem with time so it's not like you really need
03:12:53.500to break any sort of permanent brainwashing it's just being misguided a lot of them just come
03:12:58.300to these realizations too late you know when they're in their 40s maybe when they have their
03:13:03.540they finally have kids they wish they did it sooner you know things like that so really like
03:13:07.460okay so it's not even a problem of completely changing their minds it's just pushing that
03:13:11.580window of time backwards maybe when they're younger you know i even i i'm in my mid-30s
03:13:17.360and i just had a kid you know like a year ago i should have started when i was younger what the
03:13:21.720fuck's wrong with me why didn't i do that these are problems of sort of narrative control we can
03:13:26.420break, but they're not that insurmountable0.70
03:23:24.600Every single one of these people, yes, is responsible,
03:23:26.900but we don't have time to sit around and hash out who –
03:23:30.080we can't sit here at the table and go through the receipt
03:23:33.380and line out the line items on it and split the check.
03:23:36.460We need someone to just come in and drop down the credit card
03:23:38.540and pay for the check so we can leave.
03:23:40.560What's interesting is, like any dire social phenomenon,
03:23:44.100it's the intersection of a lot of different issues so it's all that plus it's also the fact
03:23:48.460that hey there's plastic in your blood hey also sperm counts have been dropping for i don't know
03:23:54.480a few decades now um also hormones are in the water and we don't know what to do with it like
03:23:59.120there actually are chemical and environmental reasons for why people aren't procreating
03:24:04.500that maybe you know gender relations can't solve but we have problems simultaneously and it seems
03:24:12.360like it's it can drive you mad if you try and get your arms around it but that's why maybe people
03:24:18.280need to solve each one independently but that's why i say there's no one way to fix the birth rate
03:24:24.780crisis yes the gender relations is one thing but also you know is that that could that could improve
03:24:31.900the divorce rate but does that really help the birth rate because the birth the amount of how0.50
03:24:36.540people are struggling to have kids could be another thing and guess what there's also economic and
03:24:41.480financial problems too so like there's all this shit together and so i just don't people think
03:24:46.480there's an easy fix but i do think i i think there's a social phenomena happening right now
03:24:51.900with the we witnessed the rise of the incel and i remember the rise of the incel a lot of people
03:24:58.220take it for granted now i remember when incel online was like five guys with blogs and we all
03:25:04.980thought they were like wild and like they're jokes and these are the guys who are ranting0.66
03:25:09.880about how like their parents were pieces of shit for not buying them a prostitute
03:25:14.500and then we all would make fun of them but now it seems that half of all people are in cells
03:25:20.200and then you're seeing the rise of the femme cell now how genuine the femme cell character is i'm
03:25:25.740not sure i don't know the data or the breakdowns but it does seem to be in the zeitgeist this idea
03:25:31.380that there's a lot of like sing terminally actually you know the the the belief is that
03:25:39.880oh they say they're single but they can get any man they want you know there actually are just some1.00
03:25:43.760weird ugly women like who just they're smelly like guys are and you if you actually walk down1.00
03:25:50.060the street go walk down the street tomorrow i bet you can see a few of them and you're used to1.00
03:25:54.220canceling those women out of your vision because they look kind of funky like a lot of the incel
03:25:58.880guys but they're out there maybe there's more of them than ever before something is happening
03:26:03.200where men and women maybe not in the exact same ratios but there's actually a conversation about
03:26:09.580like there's too many unsexed people and they're killing themselves as a result and i think
03:26:15.560something's happening there i don't know what but if some people think a war is coming but i know0.81
03:26:21.080i'm skeptical yeah i don't know who's gonna fight it well there's this idea i know what if there's
03:26:27.740a guy that content creator what if althist you know you know about him right he came with a video
03:26:32.400that was taken down i think re-uploaded just recently seeing that there's going to be
03:26:36.920effectively a civil war or an incel revolution um i mean we could talk about that if you want to
03:26:43.900yeah but um you know the reason i'm skeptical is you gotta know a thing or two about revolutions
03:26:50.140um there's actually a really fantastic book by martin gurry called revolt of the public
03:26:56.940we actually covered a few of these books on revolution how a revolution actually functions
03:27:01.060they actually function a lot like coup d'etats edward lutwak wrote a very good book called
03:27:05.900coup d'etat um the way these revolutions tend to work is they thrive and this is this includes
03:27:12.160occupy wall street too they thrive when the enemy is ill-defined they define when they actually
03:27:17.700don't they they um they succeed when they don't actually have a policy position they just have
03:27:22.440an enemy they're trying to attack they just want to bring something down they the more effective
03:27:27.620it is the less of a plan they will have for the day after um and that usually means they can be
03:27:32.880hijacked once they win which frequently happens you know he makes a good point that the you know
03:27:38.180the most the most the outcome most antithetical to the bolshevian bolshevik army but you know
03:27:46.040that's another thing we could spend some time on anyway point being that for a revolution to occur
03:27:50.120you actually more than anything need an enemy to destroy to get people to attack and so if there's
03:27:55.840an incel revolution what would they be attacking um because it sounds like they would just be
03:28:02.500attacking women now if that's if that is what it is we kind of need to say that i don't actually
03:28:07.700think that's what's going to happen and if not that then what are you is it biden is it trump
03:28:13.320what what what is the revolution targeting um there can be an upheaval but the danger is that
03:28:19.980the very the social unrest and the oppression that can lead to a revolution can also lead to
03:28:26.640self-destruction you have a lot of very angry upset people who want to lash out and more often
03:28:33.520than not they lash out at themselves and they turn to deaths of despair and suicide so it's not
03:28:38.540obvious to me that a wild you know revolution is going to you know sweep the country we could just
03:28:46.260see uh increasing rates of suicide and substance abuse which which is actually what we have been
03:28:51.760seeing which is in my mind perhaps even worse anyway so i think we we romanticize the idea
03:28:59.440of a revolution but if you actually study revolutions and how they function uh i think
03:29:03.940it's missing some key components anyway what are your thoughts on that i totally this is that's
03:29:08.960really interesting because i i have the same uh the same takeaway but for for kind of for
03:29:15.560different reasons i hadn't even thought about that dynamic um because i mean a revolution of
03:29:21.600i don't know angry young men going around killing women is also not a revolution that's going to
03:29:25.560last very long because uh and it's not going to be a revolution that ends with the uh the the
03:29:32.160angry young men taking power somehow just for i would say for for general social biological reasons
03:29:38.400There, that's not a, that's not a, that's not, that's not a cause that you're going to get sufficient people rallied around to actually have any sort of major civilizational success. So that means it's only going to serve as a deconstructive, a deconstructive tool.
03:29:56.200so I would wonder okay who's wielding this deconstructive tool who might have an incentive
03:30:01.220to uh to to cut loose a bunch of angry young men to just go kind of rampage it sounds a lot like0.81
03:30:08.680the Black Lives Matter thing like that that was the purpose of Black Lives Matter was to0.91
03:30:13.160to go rampage through a city and cause chaos for the sake of sort of upending the chessboard long1.00
03:30:19.260enough to move some of the pieces around and people to align themselves and fundraise and
03:30:23.440everything it was very obviously a proxy arm of um various people yeah and also black lives matter
03:30:32.420was a great example because what motivated that was what the media didn't want to talk about they
03:30:37.860actually did have targets they had two targets police and white people and they succeeded in
03:30:43.120targeting both across the nation a lot of people don't talk about that we cover that on our show
03:30:48.760because we've been doing our show for too long but during what they call the summer of floyd or
03:30:54.140the summer of love i don't know people don't seem to remember that in every major american city there
03:30:59.780was bloody fiery riots and then we just kind of moved on from that like no that was that was a
03:31:06.740race riot a national race riot that we just but anyway that was their goal not outwardly stated
03:31:14.100they had a whole bunch of you know the original blm site had all kinds of anti-capitalist messaging
03:31:18.180really what it was was anti-cops and they they seemed to do they got what they wanted but
03:31:24.520that community doesn't even really know what it wants a lot of time so they got the cops defunded
03:31:29.140and then now they're complaining that there's not enough cops anyway we don't need to go down that
03:31:32.660road but you know that that's a great example of they had their targets and then the looting was
03:31:38.500there too but what they really loved doing was burning police stations and you know punching
03:31:43.880white people in the street because of white supremacy whatever you know what's interesting
03:31:48.020is that this this might be a little rabbit hole to run down so you as you described we had national
03:31:57.280race riots for several months longer than that maybe i don't remember exactly we had national
03:32:04.480race riots where people were burning down city blocks burning down police stations looting stores
03:32:09.400And if you went back to, I don't know, say 2005, and you described that phenomenon to someone, that person would not picture that as an event that just happened in the course of the evolution of a society.
03:32:25.900They would see that as like the complete breakdown of civilization.
03:32:28.560Whatever came out of it would be something different than what was before it.
03:32:32.720yet here we lived through that along with uh you could we could sit here and list off a whole bunch
03:32:39.400of different things that people would see as like civilizational turning points and yet here we are
03:32:45.580we just kind of keep chugging along we still implicitly think of 2024 and 2021 and 2017 and
03:32:52.4802012 and we implicitly think of these as part of the same reality this is like the same continue
03:32:58.520this is america this is just america degenerating it's kind of like everybody everybody's sitting
03:33:03.920here waiting for a certain shoe to fall they're waiting for that one singular event where you
03:33:09.560look back in the history books and this was the date where everything changed and it was all that
03:33:14.720was the end of america and the beginning of something else or what whatever the end of
03:33:18.440something in the beginning of something else yet we just kind of keep just chugging right along
03:33:23.220and this makes me wonder maybe you have a have some thoughts on this is there a an event like
03:33:30.900that is there something coming is there i think this is like the remnants of the left behind
03:33:34.940series kind of in people's consciousness that there's going to be this moment where all of a
03:33:39.220sudden everyone is raptured and now we've hit the turning point we have the date in history where
03:33:44.000before that was normal history and after that we've started the millennium or whatever do you
03:33:50.240do you actually foresee a um a seminal event like that some great catastrophe or something or or do
03:33:59.900you think that we're just going to keep continuing on as we've been continuing on or or do you think
03:34:04.940that that great event has already happened is it already in the past this is i can spend a lot of
03:34:12.340time getting really trippy with some ideas here and maybe i'll set it up by describing two things
03:34:18.140I know my friend Thomas 777, we had him on our show, an interview quite some time ago.
03:34:25.140He was explaining the concept of historical time.
03:34:28.440You know, we tend to think of it's centuries, but historical time is different.
03:34:31.920You know, historical time can actually, an epoch could span across the demarcation of centuries.
03:34:38.340And he would describe, you know, the 20th century is almost the short century.
03:34:42.420Like the 20th century was sort of like World War I, World War II, and just after that.
03:34:45.540and then we're in a new period immediately after that anyway it introduced the idea of how to
03:34:50.980measure time based on sort of historical events like what you're talking to books i had read
03:34:58.620that sort of discuss something that ties into this i think that i i think affect our ability
03:35:04.940to forecast something like this and i'll give you a break to jump in so i don't spend two0.76
03:35:10.900fucking hours talking about this there's this fantastic book that a listener of the show sent0.75
03:35:16.400me called decadence by jim haugen very difficult book to find you can find it online somewhere to0.74
03:35:22.320read it can't recommend it enough he's a journalist and it was a story about the counterculture
03:35:27.900from the 60s so this would have been really the boomer revolution this we're talking hippies
03:35:33.560we're talking about that whole period that we have such a love affair in america was actually
03:35:38.560a phenomenon that happened worldwide and interestingly that doesn't get brought up
03:35:42.800he had said interestingly there was a hard demarcation between the beat generation and
03:35:51.320the boomers they both had their own counterculture but they're different countercultures and it's
03:35:55.160not obvious that they were really connected so the beat generation forecasted the future
03:36:00.380as doomed they were cynical it was dark and uh you know what you can't really do anything about it
03:36:06.400can kind of try and maybe prevent it, but it's inevitable. The boomers and the hippies and those
03:36:12.320that ilk saw it a bit differently. They said, you know, the end is coming and we can be its
03:36:17.820shepherds. We can be agents of change that sparked the cultural, the mind revolution,
03:36:24.120the love revolution that will bring the end and usher in the age of Aquarius or whatever it might
03:36:29.280be. Interestingly enough, the counterculture, people generally have the wrong idea about it.
03:36:34.040that's outlined in this book and i believe it um people think of they incorrectly think of the
03:36:40.220counterculture as a leftist movement when in fact it was um organically generative movement that was
03:36:46.600hijacked by leftists later on for the purposes of the vietnam war but if you actually look what the
03:36:51.600counterculture was it was a whole bunch of separate kind of like the dissident right
03:36:55.060the argument he doesn't make this in the book because it was published in the in the 70s i
03:36:58.960believe. But the headline that we had to cover it was they went through back then almost essentially
03:37:04.800what we were we're doing right now. So it was the counterculture was, you know, the LSD culture,
03:37:10.760but it was also the hippies. And it was also this sort of anarcho primitivism. And it was also
03:37:16.460getting into Eastern mysticism. These are all happening separately. And they kind of fused
03:37:21.580together later on. And what's interesting is the lifespan of that counterculture kind of mirrored
03:37:27.240what we're going through now in the sense that it started off with a bunch of theory and ended
03:37:31.300with a bunch of people trying to go into the fuck all societies like like line for line this
03:37:37.960happened before and so the question is well what happened you know then anyway the point of that
03:37:43.080book i could spend a long time on that book but the point of the book was to say that we never
03:37:47.580really left that frame of mind because they'll say what happened to the counterculture what
03:37:51.400happened to that revolution well it became the mainstream culture this is steve jobs this is
03:37:56.160how fucking genes ended up in the workplace these are all the hippies showing you a powerpoint
03:38:00.880presentation with fucking gandhi and nelson mandela and talking about micro dosing mushrooms0.85
03:38:06.400in the boardroom so those people are just there right but we never left that mind space of the0.55
03:38:12.000end is coming and we can accelerate towards it and we can be the ushers to the glorious apocalypse
03:38:19.440that's actually a weird way of looking at society and arguably it never existed before that
03:38:25.600generation that probably didn't really exist in the medieval era not really um there's some debate
03:38:31.860about that he kind of talks about that in the book where there was sort of a an apocalyptic obsession
03:38:36.180with the return of christ but when that didn't happen it was like well we're not actually counting
03:38:40.580down to the end of society like we've been doing for the past 70 years and or even longer now
03:38:47.560there's also this book um there's not just one book there's several books written by marshall
03:38:52.540McLuhan and we're talking about time here we're talking about how we measure time and how we view
03:38:57.560the future so we have a permanent apocalypse that we're actively moving towards in the future
03:39:02.780but how we measure how we get there has changed so he discussed in um understanding media it's
03:39:09.480this phenomenal book can't recommend it enough Marshall McLuhan one of the great Canadians if
03:39:14.480you can believe that Canada used to be known as pioneers in tech and media literacy uh Marshall
03:39:20.240McLuhan takes a very, very metaphysical approach to media and communication and language and
03:39:27.100things like that. And he talks about how over time, our understanding of time has changed over
03:39:34.760the centuries, and especially in the West, and how the Western mind views time as a container
03:39:43.280of events, right? Now, throughout time, there's always ways to measure time. There was water
03:39:48.360clocks there was sundials so we knew how to measure time throughout time but with the invention of the
03:39:55.000clock and the invention of you know like the idea of a minute or 15 minutes being a something that
03:40:02.040has utility like i can fit labor in there and if i don't use that time and fill it with labor then
03:40:08.360it's wasted time the idea of having wasted time was kind of a new invention and the idea was as
03:40:14.840as we've kind of progressed through time, our focus on like the minutes and seconds of time
03:40:20.220to try and utilize it for something has sort of gotten more and more microscopic. And what's
03:40:26.640interesting is consider this, that, you know, again, we're looking back in time, we didn't
03:40:31.780used to have this idea of generations, like boomers, Gen X, millennials, Gen Z. That was
03:40:40.120kind of a weird thing, especially the idea that generations were pitted against each other. Now,
03:40:44.180of course there was always a disagreement between the elders and the youth that's just a perennial
03:40:50.000issue but the idea that we see boomers as like a different fucking species and millennials as a
03:40:55.220different class you know that's sort of a new thing arguably that really only emerged with boomers
03:41:00.460not to say that they're responsible for it but it's just a thing that happened
03:41:03.760and what i notice is that we keep splitting up the generations so the millennials have like
03:41:10.700millennials but then there's zillennials who are gen z and within a generation demarcations of like
03:41:18.000five years are almost like different experiences entirely like my wife is five years younger than
03:41:23.440me and she almost has a different mindset than i do so anyway our measurement of time gets more and
03:41:28.700more and more finite and the contain the identities that can be contained when that fragment of time
03:41:34.940get more and more and more profound we separate more and more from each other you see what i'm
03:41:38.860saying? So it's like, not only has, is our view of the future distant and apocalyptic, but our
03:41:46.640focus on smaller and smaller allocatements of time has become more profound and almost identities in
03:41:52.900themselves. So that affects how we even view cataclysmic events, right? You know, a lot of
03:41:59.500people in our sphere say nothing ever happens. You know, you'll hear that all the time. Like
03:42:03.620we're waiting for a collapse and nothing ever happens. Things are fucking happening all the
03:42:08.120time it's an insane thing to say ukraine is a meat grinder right now i don't care where you
03:42:13.740fall on that conflict but there's things happening in ukraine right now there's things happening
03:42:20.240in europe but we're so hyper focused we like there's so many things happening all the time
03:42:25.620that we're focused on we get the sense that nothing is happening so if a catastrophe there
03:42:31.200is kind of a catastrophe happening right now and we're just living inside of it and we don't notice
03:42:35.920it but i i think are the tools we have at our disposal to even identify a massive phase shift
03:42:44.080might be totally out of whack now i i gave you a lot of stuff there what do you think about all
03:42:48.780that oh yeah so so there's this interesting thing about nothing and everything where um
03:42:55.660they can kind of be the same thing sometimes so if if everything is happening at once then in a
03:43:04.400sense nothing is happening because like happening is a uh like a an indicator or like a defining
03:43:12.960trait that you use to pick out the thing that's happening from the from the rest of things that
03:43:18.680are not happening but if literally everything is happening then there is no longer that defining
03:43:26.260trait to pick it out from the rest of them so when everything is happening well now there
03:43:30.700you you lose the ability to pick out the thing that is happening happening actually becomes kind
03:43:36.560of meaningless the the idea of something happening implies nothing happening what so once everything
03:43:43.580happened everything is happening at once then nothing is happening and it's kind of it's like
03:43:47.340both are true simultaneously also the you have the the this generational thing which is really
03:43:55.780interesting we've talked about this a lot the way the generations are um number one thinking of
03:44:00.060ourselves in terms of generations and then demarcating these generations and they seem to
03:44:04.240often correspond to or not often correspond to but rather they are um defined by technology
03:44:14.100and the the ways that we identify and pick out different generations hinges largely on the types
03:44:21.940of technologies that that informed their experience of the world and then you know if you grew up
03:44:28.260where radio like when radio was invented for the first time that's going to have a really profound
03:44:33.080impact on your experience of the world versus those who live before you but then to go from
03:44:38.420radio to tv to color tv to and all the way up to where now we have you know vr goggles and all this
03:44:47.300sort of stuff these changes have been happening more and more rapidly shout out uh nick land
03:44:52.080the we're seeing the acceleration of technological development which then on the generational level
03:44:58.180I think, is making these generations smaller and smaller and smaller. Because if you think about
03:45:03.480the experience of someone who was born in 2005 versus someone who was born in 2010, the person
03:45:11.140who was born in 2005, the Trump thing that happened, that began happening when they were 10 or 11
03:45:20.700versus the five-year-old. And think about your awareness of the world around you as a five-year-old
03:45:24.360versus a 10-year-old. The life experiences that they have at an early age, and then especially
03:45:29.020as their coming of age, now, someone who was born pre-COVID and someone who was born post-COVID
03:45:34.940have very, very different experiences of the world. So there's something that's happening where
03:45:39.760we get this awareness of time, and then through the various innovations and technology,
03:45:47.940we're, it's like time is happening faster and faster and faster. More and more things are
03:45:52.720happening in within each second and we're moving on a trajectory where this is going to go um is it
03:46:00.040parabolic or hyperbolic i don't i think i think it's hyperbolic yeah whatever whatever where it
03:46:06.140goes up upward um i shouldn't have said anything now if i'm wrong oh now we're both gonna get made
03:46:11.660fun of well you're in it with me um you know what i mean so like we're hitting this accelerating
03:46:18.480point where, I mean, even the idea that we could sit here and have a conversation like this
03:46:24.020in real time, being separated by who knows how far, and we have a whole bunch of people right
03:46:30.720now, how many, how many, we got something like 45 people watch, 48 people watching live on YouTube.
03:46:38.160So we have 48 people who are watching us just on YouTube in real time. And those people are
03:46:43.480probably watching while they're doing something else. There's all this found time that we're
03:46:47.280getting through all this technology but so now people are doing more and more and more and yet
03:46:52.240at the same time they're also doing less and less and less these are weird paradoxes that i don't i
03:46:57.780don't know what to do with them i also want to just call attention to some of these phenomenal
03:47:02.900chats we've been getting i don't know the context i'm just here i'm seeing vulpus persona someone i
03:47:08.400recognize great friend of the show just saying goon here now uh oh we got a big old super chat
03:47:15.340paladin yyz shout out to the homie 42 us dollars he says uh a word of caution to men who feel0.72
03:47:22.600compelled to play shepherd to some lost lamb have your ego intact and don't be afraid to cut the0.99
03:47:27.160line you may be a great man but you're a no match for the previous 20 losers that made her
03:47:30.940that and that very well may be true i think for the i think for the vast majority of guys that
03:47:36.600is true yeah and i just want that's kind of what i was trying to get to earlier where i was
03:47:41.720cautioning people like there's some there's some problems that you can't solve just as a wayward
03:47:48.180man trying to make his way in the world right now um so don't try and and take that upon your
03:47:53.920shoulders you know you like if you try and save me a drowning person maybe you both drown sometimes
03:47:59.040right right but then as a matter of framing recognize that that's the reality recognize
03:48:04.660that this isn't that i guess you could say it isn't that she's not good enough for you it's
03:48:10.960that you're not good enough for her you you aren't a you aren't a strong enough or or established
03:48:17.500enough or secure enough or whatever it is you aren't a man who is capable of taking something
03:48:22.560like that on which is fine you can become that you don't necessarily you don't even have to become
03:48:27.700that for her per se but this is a this is a um she's reflecting yourself back to you when you
03:48:34.000see that when you're like oh i couldn't take that on this would be too much for me i would get
03:48:37.400dragged down by this that's if you have that intuition that intuition is probably correct
03:48:41.600and you should listen to it but you should also understand what that intuition means and where
03:48:45.220it's coming from yeah it's your it's your your biology telling you that you need to make something
03:48:51.140out of yourself and also for the guys out there who's saying matt dimes you're you're you're a lot
03:48:57.720of highfalutin ideas what am i supposed to do with this i'll give you the two types of girls you
03:49:01.820should go for save yourself the pain i want you to go for rural goth girls oh i'm talking goth girls
03:49:09.840who know their way around a tractor that's not a euphemism literally just it is what it sounds0.69
03:49:16.020like and i want you to find yourself it can't failing that find a hippie girl talking the
03:49:21.300girl that's into crystals don't go full you're going to find girls who might seem like that but
03:49:26.900they're just stoner chicks and the key is going to be dreadlocks you want to steer away from that1.00
03:49:31.840or give her a few minutes if you're a little wild to kind of percolate then she'll get out of that1.00
03:49:36.280you got to find yourself a girl who's into crystals don't be afraid of bitches who are1.00
03:49:40.960into horoscopes that can be a green flag you know i i gave you two hot leads go and be prosperous1.00
03:49:50.320bitches be doing horoscopes this is what bitches do shout out to the credentialist he says howdy1.00
03:49:56.140matt howdy dimes good to see you my friend and that credentials there's a guy who knows a thing1.00
03:50:01.020or two about fucking rural goth bitches kate j says said joshua ham can tell you about that yeah0.99
03:50:10.580joshua ham has has regularly told us about how he uh even in his in his post-military state and0.98
03:50:17.260everything he suffered through that um he uh he talks about his big titty goth girlfriend that
03:50:22.460he turned into a wife i will say it's funny out on the farm churning butter for him and stuff so
03:50:27.080he's got it made it's funny every time we're talking about this then you just see a woman
03:50:30.760pop up and chime in like oh i didn't know women listen i think we have like three
03:50:35.740i got a few too and they are fucked yes yes they're like we we had this we had this conversation0.74
03:50:45.160within the the king pill discord um we we thought we talked about it as we started getting more0.59
03:50:50.260numbers in there we were like hmm do we do we do men only we've already got some women in here so0.56
03:50:55.520we would have to kick them out we have to make a thing about it do we do men only or do we just1.00
03:50:59.260leave the women in here and it's up to them they can hang out and if they can hang they can hang1.00
03:51:03.720more power to them and uh if it's too much for them then no hard feelings and so far they've all
03:51:08.700done great they are they're they're hanging very well the women in our chat and whatnot have really
03:51:16.320enlighten me on new and exciting ways to bully women there's one thing that i had no idea about0.86
03:51:23.680and i'm gonna be guys a peek behind the curtain if you really want to make women upset that's
03:51:29.440what gets me up in the morning i like making women mad right uh something arm fat arm fat
03:51:36.360and there's a little bit of fat right above sort of the boob line apparently that is like a mind1.00
03:51:44.460of breaking if you zoom that it's over for them so i use it sparingly because that that's a that's
03:51:52.700a mind killer there was a girl that i knew in college that uh called it the grandma wave bye
03:51:57.700bye fat like the tricep dangle and you know i'm i'm an older guy you know as you age your your
03:52:07.040appreciation of like peculiar peculiarities of women just increases like when i was like 15 i
03:52:13.920know exactly the type of woman i was into now i'm like really if you're just not fat i can find
03:52:21.240something to like i can i'm i'm pretty you know hey it's i the beauty of god's creatures
03:52:28.560except i think a woman woman without a chin is about as bad as a guy without a chin that still
03:52:35.740bugs me it's well yeah it's just kind of like i mean i mean shout out to them for living with that
03:52:41.620I mean, I grew a beard to cover my chin, so maybe I'm not one to talk.
03:52:47.140I was saying, you can't tell with you.
03:53:07.080like can the guys is there a way to take advantage here in canada we've got a pretty0.96
03:53:13.120robust but terrible public health system there's there's ways to get what the trannies get facial0.88
03:53:20.460masculinization surgery can guys just do that to get a chin do you think say you're trans and get0.99
03:53:27.560extra bone added to your chin yeah you might be able to get some uh you might be able to get some
03:53:33.760hormones that way too but you have to be careful you make sure you get the right ones1.00
03:53:36.540let's go going to the fucking doctor i need a a chin square inning0.97
03:53:40.940can you break my jaw for me and then just realign it and and uh squirt some chemicals0.99
03:53:48.240in there to puff it out a little bit make me more imposing i need i need to look fucked up0.87
03:53:56.620uh okay well you so you you said you had uh you had a number of different0.84
03:54:06.540thoughts that you'd you'd put together there have we gone through all of them did you have any
03:54:11.420others um yeah actually you know what there was one uh thing just because it's funny that we were
03:54:17.740talking about McLuhan we're talking about historical time they were just talking about
03:54:21.320fucking chin surgery um but there's one thing very cleanly with what we were talking about before
03:54:29.520you were talking about the moment of rapture which could also be maybe a moment of vindication
03:54:34.560for men and women on our side uh this is uh a thought i'd given to people before i'm not even
03:54:41.200saying this is the case but you know consider it maybe all the people who can be red-pilled
03:54:46.980have been red-pilled um and you're talking about earlier about you know like a big moment of
03:54:54.080clarity for people and then what do we do after that i'm going to give an example that might sound
03:54:58.440very uh you know spicy sizzling for some but let's give the example of Kanye West talking about
03:55:05.760Jews right so for the anti-semitic right that's the best day ever because one of the perhaps you
03:55:15.400know arguably the biggest hip-hop artist in the world do just due to name exposure um and also0.95
03:55:21.580one of the top celebrities on earth uh made it so that every single person had to have an opinion
03:55:27.800on this topic he literally took the talking points from 4chan from a lot of times like the
03:55:34.600right stuff top is whatever these fears are and just put them out there so everyone was talking
03:55:39.800about everyone had was exposed to the jq and then so that that that happened and then everyone was
03:55:47.680red pilled by that um did anything change arguably maybe some stuff did but everyone was red pilled
03:55:55.580and that everyone took the red pill that could take it and what happened after that well we know
03:55:59.960what happened so it's not a case of we just need to get our ideas out there or their ideas out
03:56:03.880there whoever's ideas they were out there now what you know i mean like everyone who can be
03:56:10.000red-pilled on covid has been red-pilled those who still believe the mainstream narrative whatever
03:56:16.520that may be you're not going to expose them to new information that's going to you can't jailbreak
03:56:22.400them even at this point so there's certain topics that the awareness is at maximum because that's
03:56:29.520the idea of red pill you make people aware of the hidden reality everyone's fucking aware
03:56:33.680if people are choosing not to subscribe or move forward maybe you just gotta not leave them behind0.70
03:56:41.980but not actively bring them with you they'll come along eventually you know because most people
03:56:46.900So, you know, most revolutions, just back to the revolution idea, most revolutions are not populist revolutions.
03:56:53.520They're executed by a minority of the population.
03:56:57.020And I think it was either War of the Flea by Robert Tabor or maybe it was Coup d'etat by Lutwak.
03:57:03.180He shared a very interesting story of the Cuban Revolution.
03:57:07.480You know, the Cuban Revolution is a fantastic period of history to research.
03:57:11.580And it shows Fidel Castro and his rebels in the mountains taking the capital city.
03:57:20.260And if you ask people after the revolution, every citizen of Cuba said that they were in favor of the revolution and maybe even were active participants.
03:57:29.880The reality was most people were passive and inert and just waiting.
03:57:33.680They're waiting in their homes, not doing anything.
03:57:36.280And getting people to do nothing is actually part of what population needs.
03:57:41.280But most, most of the time, most people just go with the flow. It's very, very difficult, especially with women, to get them out of the comfort zone, because believing what we believe is actually socially damaging, which is a stronger pressure for women than with men.
03:58:00.160so you know you have to you we have to go about our business and do our projects and our missions
03:58:06.700knowing that if we win when we win people will just come along with us and act like they were0.51
03:58:12.500in favor of our stuff the whole time and you know what that's fucking fine you need to be okay with
03:58:17.100that because at this point we've tried the awareness thing everyone's aware and there was
03:58:22.800no fucking rapture so what now they're gonna lie later just like they lied with covid everyone is
03:58:29.620pretending they didn't behave during covid the way they behaved during covid you know do not
03:58:35.740underestimate people's ability to just lie to themselves and to you about things they believed
03:58:39.900in the past but you know what that's how it happens so you know awareness campaigns awareness
03:58:47.280projects sure keep it up keep trying to red pill people keep getting into arguments online actually
03:58:51.940i'm not being sarcastic keep their background noise that we do um you can stay in comment
03:58:58.900sections of stuff. However, this other stuff is probably more important. And a lot of these
03:59:04.740people will come later on, I think, on their own accord. What do you think about that?
03:59:09.420Yes, that hit a nerve here. Speaking of the sales conversation we were talking about,
03:59:17.500there comes a point where if you're working with a particular prospect or client or something like
03:59:22.180that, you can give them all the information in the world, but ultimately they're going to have
03:59:27.860to take action on something. And if you, um, the, if you're the person who is, has the problem and
03:59:35.620needs the solution, you're the person who's being sold to, there's going to come a point where you're
03:59:40.640just going to have to pull the trigger. You're just going to have to make a call. You're going
03:59:44.040to have to decide I'm going to go with this and I'm going to figure out how to make it work if
03:59:46.860it doesn't work yet. But you have to take action. You have to, there has to be a decision point
03:59:52.500there. Information beyond a certain point doesn't help someone make a decision anymore. They have
03:59:57.480to be given a reason to make that decision we were talking in the the king pill discord earlier
04:00:02.340today about um this idea of um of of entrepreneurship and a lot of people see
04:00:10.220themselves they see this distinction between like they see entrepreneurship as being like something
04:00:15.160that's that's uh or that's risky that's kind of this like bold move you know you're you're someone
04:00:21.060who's going out on your own that sort of thing and and then they see someone who has a job as
04:00:26.540someone who's like is opting for the for the safe route and i think a really useful way to look at
04:00:31.960this is that that i think that distinction i understand why people make that distinction
04:00:37.720because they're trying to differentiate between the people who do what most people do which is
04:00:41.780get a job and the people who don't do what most people do however i don't think that that difference
04:00:46.900is actually really substantial in terms of risk in fact the job may be the riskier option
04:00:52.540because if you think of yourself as a as a business like you're when it comes to working
04:00:59.880when it comes to your to your career you are a business now the question is are what are you
04:01:05.120selling are you just selling your labor is that is the only business contract that you're capable
04:01:10.040of entering into a a labor for money contract then you're just like a normal employee that's
04:01:16.800what it is it's a labor for money contract so you are you are running a business that has a single
04:01:20.780client or single customer this is if you think about it that way well that's actually not very
04:01:26.180safe at all that can actually be pretty risky and you're actually you're capping a lot of your
04:01:29.600upside going that route you might want to diversify that you want to have as many you
04:01:34.900might want to you don't have as many clients as possible but you want to have a an acceptable
04:01:38.940number where you can hedge that risk now this is a this is something that the vast majority of
04:01:45.220people aren't even going to be able to to wrap their minds around this it's just the the immune
04:01:51.000system is just going to kick it right out and they're never even going to be able to take it in
04:01:54.220and i said there's there's basically i think three different types of people this is reading from
04:01:58.920what i wrote in there when we were talking about this earlier um uh i said uh whether their business
04:02:05.880is one where they hire other people or one where they hire only themselves they're still operating
04:02:09.480a business and their business has one client who is by definition the stronger party to that
04:02:13.900negotiation. It's true that most people can't even do something about this. Like I'm granting
04:02:19.100that like, yes, the vast majority of people, they're not going to be able to do anything
04:02:22.060about this. The vast majority of people can only be wages and ought to be wages. And that's just
04:02:27.460how it's going to be. These are the people who are just going to follow along. Then there's three,
04:02:32.760there's three different types of people. So number one is the people who understand this reality
04:02:36.460implicitly, and they act immediately and aggressively to level themselves up. So these
04:02:40.500to be the type of people we might call a natural entrepreneur or something like that. These are
04:02:44.100the guys who are just cranking businesses out left and right and fantastic self-starters,
04:02:49.440whatever. They pick themselves right up by their bootstraps. Number two would be the people who
04:02:55.120are... What I wrote is that they're either too retarded, too lazy, too unlucky, too geographically1.00
04:03:00.620limited, disabled, et cetera. For whatever reason, they have some reason why they're not able to do1.00
04:03:06.900anything about this. Like all they can do is get a job. They're going to get a job. They're going
04:03:10.440to work that job. They're going to be completely at the behest of their employer. And if something
04:03:16.180changes, that's out of their control, they're hosed. They have to start over completely from
04:03:20.140scratch. And their earnings, their monthly earnings overnight go from whatever it is to
04:03:26.500zero. There's no gradual step down. These people aren't going to be able to do anything about it.
04:03:31.720And I understand that. Those are the people, those aren't going to be the people who I'm
04:03:35.320talking to i'd be talking to group three which is the people who are not naturally number one
04:03:40.780they're not they're not the natural entrepreneur as we colloquially think about it but they can
04:03:46.780learn to be that i said not every one of these people needs to become the apotheosis of group
04:03:51.620one but they can move themselves much further along on that path than group two so the second
04:03:58.880They're both risky paths. But the second one, if you can work yourself into that position where you can diversify your sources of income, you can develop individual skills where you can own the product of your labor by connecting with a bunch of different clients, and you can set up that lifestyle for yourself, this applies in more than just the career domain.
04:04:22.300this also applies politically it applies socially more broadly these are skills that they you don't
04:04:30.120have to silo these skills into these individual domains they're actually applicable across a
04:04:34.860broad range of domains so i think that there's the you know there's the theory cells there's
04:04:40.600the people who want to sit and sit around and have arguments online which i've spent years and years
04:04:44.760doing so i'm very much one of these people like you're saying there comes a point where you can
04:04:50.240only red pill people so much. You can only tell them so much, like what the problem is and what
04:04:55.680they need to do. At a certain point, it's up to them to actually take action and do something
04:05:00.260about it. And ultimately, those are going to be the people that you have to spend your time with.
04:05:04.880Those are the people who you have to build your tribe out of, is the ones who are going to take
04:05:08.520action. And as a small, consolidated minority of people begin to take action toward a particular
04:05:13.640end, the rest of the people will naturally gravitate that way, especially the women.
04:05:18.480because this is how women are naturally wired yeah naturally wired to follow that sort of an0.97
04:05:23.760impulse well they're going to seek out stability and you made a great point that a lot of people0.83
04:05:28.100they're prejudiced towards jobs and and regular salaried employment is that it's more stable
04:05:32.980um and that's becoming difficult especially in like in my opinion at least my professional life
04:05:38.620there's been a profound chilling effect across the entire white collar landscape about you know
04:05:45.100keeping people on long-term period. Like there's mass layoffs across the tech sector and also
04:05:51.220across the media sector are so common, they don't fucking report them anymore. And that's the lived
04:05:56.020experience for a lot of people. And the problem is that you need something like that to get a
04:06:01.160mortgage, consistent income. That would be the only benefit of being a wage. But for a lot of
04:06:06.120people, they're not going to have that. And we haven't even talked about AI. We haven't talked
04:06:10.260about how that revolution is going to put more and more people out of work right we don't even need
04:06:15.040to go down that road but the idea is that entrepreneurship if you actually look under
04:06:19.980the hood of most businesses they're on the brink of failure at any given moment um you know the
04:06:26.700idea that you are are safe in your if you've been there for five years chris i i moved to a new city
04:06:32.740for a job that was my dream job at one of the largest agencies in canada and i was part of a
04:06:38.740union that didn't fucking help me i got laid off because of covid unions don't really help you when
04:06:45.060it comes down to it you know not all of them anyway but you know this idea that you're you're
04:06:50.360safe doesn't exist and a lot of people are learning that the hard way so the idea like
04:06:54.460you're saying that will become more stable uh in the eyes of a lot of regular people very soon
04:07:01.680um anyway so i just wanted to add to that i i agree with what you're saying completely
04:07:06.600um and it unfortunately it will be incumbent upon those of us who have the ability to sort of spin
04:07:16.500up these organizations and these enterprises to employ or otherwise help out those who can just
04:07:23.740who only know how to have a job i don't know what percentage of the population that is but i bet it's
04:07:28.720a lot some people don't have the entrepreneurial drive and for those of us who do we have something
04:07:33.760like a duty to help them um and maybe that's where we start working on like oh we're only going to
04:07:41.760employ men like we're just going to be sexist we're just going to be racist we'll be whatever
04:07:45.720the fuck we want but uh that's you're you're going to need to drag people along with you
04:07:51.780because you need to actually like people and this is something i say to people uh on our side of
04:07:57.120things because a lot of people who get nihilistic and blackpilled and whatever you want to call it
04:08:01.800they don't have a great affection for other people they want society to end because they
04:08:08.120want it to suffer they want people to suffer they want people to die maybe they feel wrong
04:08:12.840there's a litany of reasons leftists are like largely guided by this but so are people on the
04:08:17.440right too and i think those who engage in this these sorts of projects need to really like people
04:08:23.200they really need to like even the dumb ones even the ugly ones even the ones who may agree with
04:08:31.780you need to have an affection for people who maybe wronged you in the past like do you want
04:08:36.280everyone who who thought you're crazy for covid to die that's a lot of people that's a lot of good
04:08:43.280people too not every pro vax person was like evil you know what i mean so like what do you what are
04:08:48.960you to do with these people it's going to be a hard thing it's a lot of responsibility for
04:08:53.240individuals to shoulder but you know what else is there i actually don't know i think that's that's
04:08:59.240just an ugly because remember like when we talk about male female relations maybe this will bring
04:09:04.820together i think we've been talking about a lot of younger people now they're starting all this
04:09:09.820for the first time like speaking for myself speaking for many of our listeners like they
04:09:14.780don't have the last three generations of their family didn't give them anything didn't pass
04:09:21.380anything downs no property no nothing maybe they were all shit libs you know so and if you're a
04:09:27.020traditionally minded person. You know, a lot of people who are into Christianity are recent
04:09:32.280converts, maybe their entire family going back five generations were atheists. You know, they're
04:09:37.620starting that, you know, and they're starting, like, I want to make a legacy home, I want to
04:09:42.880build a house, I want to do the opposite of what my parents did for me, I want to give something
04:09:46.780for my kids. And you were never taught the tools of how to do that. So now, hey, you want to go
04:09:52.340homesteading, you got to learn a whole suite of new skills that in an ideal world would
04:09:57.000been passed down to you from your father or his grandfather you just have to learn a bunch of new
04:10:01.180shit and it sucks and it's not fair that you need to do that it's not fair that you know you come0.81
04:10:08.000from a family of you know single children and you want to have five kids with your wife you don't0.94
04:10:12.800know how to do that that's new shit that's fucking mind-bending and it sucks but what else are you0.80
04:10:18.980going to do you know i mean it's got to start somewhere um and i think you know that that's0.73
04:10:25.700the burden that a certain segment of people are going to have to do and the way you do that is
04:10:30.900if you actually have an affection if you if you love the people you love your people your community
04:10:35.420your family but that's that's what's going to get you through doing all this
04:10:39.480fucking back-breaking mind-breaking labor ahead of us i mean it's funny you talked about earlier1.00
04:10:46.140about like the uh find the the horoscope bitches or you know the chicks that do um have the the0.99
04:10:52.340crystals that sort of thing and what you'll find with a lot of those types is they'll talk about1.00
04:10:57.380you know um you know manifesting and having an attitude of abundance and uh or an attitude of
04:11:05.040gratitude and and all the stuff is is it's gotten very corny and and very um i don't know it's
04:11:12.640it's just it's cringe but at the same time it's also true that like if you actually have that
04:11:19.480attitude, if you actually approach the world as if it is a place of opportunity and abundance
04:11:25.260and potential, then you will actually develop a magnetic attraction to other people and other
04:11:32.880people will have a magnetic attraction to you. I don't know what it is, vibes, energy, chemicals,
04:11:38.640pheromones, whatever it is, spiritual radar. This is the way that human beings seek each other out
04:12:11.860is gradually becoming less and less and less,
04:12:13.900it's a it's a self-extinguishing worldview it's a self-extinguishing perspective that0.99
04:12:20.140that frankly just gives off bad vibes the crystal chicks aren't gonna aren't gonna want to be around1.00
04:12:26.520you if you're if you're giving off the bad vibes yeah they're all in tune with energies and things0.99
04:12:31.440like that yeah right you know what's funny and maybe we can we can cap it with this um there's
04:12:36.140a book i always like to mention and maybe people are sick of me bringing it up but it relates to
04:12:40.500what you're just saying. It's called Experiences in Groups by Wilfred Bion, B-I-O-N. I would
04:12:47.860recommend people look at this book. It's a psychology book written by a guy who's in the
04:12:53.600mid-20th century who I believe might have tutored under Freud. So a lot of people who don't like
04:12:58.400psychology, I understand it. We've done a great amount of coverage that's critical of psychology
04:13:04.200in psychiatry especially but what was interesting about this book was that freud had this idea of
04:13:11.340psychoanalysis on a one-to-one basis you got the therapist and you have the individual because his
04:13:16.360view of humans was kind of secular humanist in that sense like it's the individual and
04:13:21.300everything is can be subdivided to the individual by on uh his area of inquiry was group dynamics
04:13:27.880because he said you know people don't really engage with the world as individuals they engage
04:13:32.160with it as members of groups and groups form in different ways lots of different types of groups
04:13:37.240there's family there's community but then there's also groups that kind of emerge organically in a
04:13:42.380situation and he conducted a great many experiments that are outlined in this book he talked about two
04:13:49.200types of groups that he saw emerge these two broad categories one was called a basic assumption group
04:13:57.460and one was called a work group so the experiment he did was really kind of funny where he'd get a
04:14:03.580bunch of people together in a kind of a semi-circle and they were going into that group with
04:14:08.140expectations they would do something and then he's there at the center and pretending he doesn't know
04:14:13.420why they're there right he's like i don't know why you were misled i'm sorry i don't know how
04:14:18.420to help you and kind of seeing what happens seeing what emerges what relationships are brokered
04:14:24.100internally within the group how they come to decisions because a group always emerges um and
04:14:30.080he said and i'll try and speed ahead because you can spend a lot of time on this book i encourage
04:14:33.560people to read it but he said that the work group was always different because if they were given a
04:14:39.540mission if they were given a trajectory or something to do or a project they were willing
04:14:46.040to kind of put aside a lot of their ideological or personal differences uh to accomplish something
04:14:53.020Whereas if you kind of just bring people together and let them fester and don't give them a direction or goal, really strange things start to happen.
04:15:02.560You start seeing very strange group dynamics emerge.
04:15:04.820They start electing leaders and they start glorifying relationships.
04:16:44.600all these sociopathic motherfuckers that have reached achieved leadership positions in this1.00
04:16:50.220space is to have something like a like a project that not not doesn't necessarily need a leader
04:16:57.680you know anyway that was a bit of a a tangent there what do you think about that that was good
04:17:02.600that was uh i think that's a good spot to wrap it meta prime in the chat says your mindset is
04:17:07.480an energy frequency and other people on that frequency will come together but we are going
04:17:11.740to make it crowd is finding each other you know next time we talk we should uh we should get extra
04:17:16.580weird with it we should oh i can do that we should get real deep into the stuff like this stuff with
04:17:21.700with energy and vibes and frequencies and and weird math shit and uh like uh like group dynamics
04:17:29.240the way individuals uh or not individuals but the way that the way that groups of people at varying
04:17:35.520sizes have different personalities like the soul of a group the spirit of a room um and then uh
04:17:42.480what was the other thing i was thinking of uh it was along those same lines anyway just like the
04:17:48.300the the weird spooky stuff that exists within um human psychology and collective psychology and
04:17:54.980and the way that reflects on us and the way we reflect on that we should uh we should get funky
04:18:01.080with it next time absolutely i can go i can go deep with all this nonsense i can alienate everyone
04:18:07.200yes let's do it all right times i appreciate you man thank you for uh thank you for your
04:18:13.060flexibility at the beginning here and uh getting this all going i think oh no problem i had a
04:18:17.400phenomenal time i really enjoyed this thank you so much for having me on yeah absolutely man you
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