Blood Satellite - U Wouldn't Tat a Tutting Nephilim [“AT my disciples listening to kill you can't be normal”]

00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be

00:00:07.720 blood satellite just to start i want to make a comment on my uh appearance on meet the base

00:00:23.900 this would have been last week i was on a panel show yeah hosted by two-bit podcast and i was

00:00:30.840 there with a bunch of people including thomas 777 but uh one of the topics we were discussing

00:00:37.840 i didn't really read too much about at the time so i was just learning about it as i was watching

00:00:44.300 the video on the show right and so the story was a whole group of frat guys a whole crowd of frat

00:00:50.980 guys and you could be forgiven for confusing that with the other frat news that's been going on it

00:00:56.820 seems like there's several frat groups in play right now uh but they were defending the american

00:01:02.640 flag from being taken down and replaced with a palestinian flag during a pro palestinian protest

00:01:08.860 right and um i looked at that and i said oh that's okay you know just a bunch of young frat guys

00:01:15.060 defending the american flag yeah and it was framed as oh these were shabbos goys doing the work of

00:01:21.280 israel the bidding of israel and i said i don't see that i think just a page patriotic young men

00:01:26.600 wrong um i think i might have spoken too soon because i'd say the following week there was

00:01:33.980 the representative from that group saying that they did this for israel oh no really which

00:01:41.960 when we talk about motivation for the flag the primary reason i was on that quad right before

00:01:48.780 this ever even began to become an american issue i was on there because i'm jewish and i'm orthodox

00:01:54.660 and a lot of members that were holding up that flag were um and so we were there really just

00:01:59.540 kind of holding up our israeli flags and trying to stop hate and there's been a lot of anti-semitism

00:02:04.860 around the country so we were there first and foremost for our country of israel you think they

00:02:09.400 were put up to it though do you think the the what is it the federal program they have like

00:02:13.620 the i forget the name of it there's this federal program where they send people around when they're

00:02:17.860 in the news and be like hey you definitely won't end up in prison if you just follow this script

00:02:22.680 when cnn comes by and then they have to say the fucking thing yeah like when the government when 0.81

00:02:27.200 your daughter is killed by an immigrant or a black the right fucking spooks drop she wouldn't

00:02:32.280 want any hate she would want everyone to forgive i've gone out of my way to tell my family my wife 0.99

00:02:39.040 already knows about teller too i'm like no no no i'm on the side of hate if i'm killed by a black 0.86

00:02:43.900 person racialize this as much as you can even if i wasn't killed by a black person racialize it 0.62

00:02:49.940 bring it back to that if i'm stomped out by a skinhead find a way to make this about indian 0.77

00:02:56.500 migration yes if i die in a fucking train wreck and they're interviewing you try and say this is 0.68

00:03:06.640 the sad legacy of martin luther king 0.79

00:03:10.020 but yeah to your point like i had forecasted in my mind some options i'm like you know what i can

00:03:19.740 envision them coming out later and saying like look i'm not we're not anti-semitic we're just

00:03:24.580 on the side of america that would be tolerable i wasn't expecting them to come out and just say

00:03:29.920 no we did it for israel like i see i see educated white boys at a prestigious school 0.67

00:03:37.700 and then a bunch of brown left-wing weirdos tear down the american flag and put up flag x doesn't 0.80

00:03:44.880 matter what flag it is they put up some other flag i can see being a drunk white dude being 0.89

00:03:51.420 hey that's my fucking flag and then running out you know what i mean so like without any context 0.68

00:03:55.820 My dad fought for that flag, my grandfather fought for that flag, whatever.

00:03:59.440 I stand by our original theory, even though it turned out to be false. 0.81

00:04:06.060 I think you're already on the wrong path if not knowing anything else about it, you say this was definitely the work of Israel.

00:04:14.040 we can't because i don't want to get into this place where it's like if we as north americans 0.81

00:04:19.740 decide we do for our own reasons want to bomb iran for our own reasons we're not allowed to

00:04:26.220 anymore because that would be what the israelis want like well what if the israelis want you to

00:04:30.700 eat ice cream are you gonna not like yeah that's not fair what if they don't want you to eat carbs 0.97

00:04:36.500 carbs are great yeah i love carbs what if what if a smelly oily jew tells you you should really go 1.00

00:04:42.960 to the gym and wear a nice suit does that mean you're gonna stop i will say at one point maybe 1.00

00:04:48.800 two points in my life i think i did go to the gym in a suit

00:04:51.880 see a lot of people don't realize that when i was in the real depths of my drinking i was killing it 0.84

00:05:01.480 i was doing a bomb ass shit all the fucking time i was going nice like in a gray suit not just some 0.83

00:05:07.740 hundred dollar you know honest eggs suit you were you had to quit drinking because you were a danger 0.97

00:05:14.380 to healthy marriages everywhere i was killing it at too high of a level yeah i had to leave

00:05:21.400 some w's for the fellas they had to send you back to area 51

00:05:25.580 yeah um it was funny i i mentioned honest eds there so for people who don't know because why

00:05:33.080 would you honest ads you know what honest ads i'm trying to figure out how to describe it it was just

00:05:38.440 talking about his about his roast beef the other day we went okay it was this big i guess you would

00:05:43.420 call it almost like a dollar store but it was an elevated dollar store in that it had all kinds of

00:05:49.240 stuff you wouldn't expect it was in toronto it was a landmark oh curricula it's a it was a department

00:05:54.540 store but in like we think of department stores like sears or eaton's or something right but this

00:05:58.160 was like an old school department store which had dollar store level prices but you could buy a

00:06:03.380 75 vacuum cleaner there you could buy a you could buy a suit you could buy anything right you could

00:06:08.000 get fucking turkey dinner so i get okay that's a better way of explaining it and you know i not

00:06:14.240 long ago me and the missus were in toronto drove by there and it's just condos now it's gone no 0.73

00:06:19.700 it was uh i think that was around four or five years ago or maybe a little longer that they

00:06:24.460 that they knocked it down yeah i was driving by bloor street cinema i'm like no this can't be

00:06:28.180 this can't be and it was uh but it was just yeah kind of a drag it was one of those places where

00:06:34.040 like sam the record man in downtown toronto everyone was sad when it closed down and i said

00:06:40.380 well why didn't anyone go there when it was open because you know i like everyone loved honest ads

00:06:45.780 but i very rarely went there well the wife and i we would go when we lived in toronto we went there

00:06:53.600 like every two weeks you went there a lot of our shop we went a lot of our shopping there because

00:06:58.240 it's cheap really if you live downtown it is actually one of the better places to go and the

00:07:03.040 last time that we were there was only a few years before it closed and it was fucking packed so

00:07:06.320 i don't really buy the story that that's why it shut down but i do know a little bit about their

00:07:11.420 business model and this relates to the roast beef thing i was saying because honest ed used to run

00:07:15.740 places different types of businesses all around the city and he had the same business model

00:07:19.380 everywhere which is essentially almost almost zero profit very low profit he gets the wheels

00:07:27.300 and deals to get cheap rent and like you know trade in kind with people to try to get stuff

00:07:32.540 get stuff off the back of the trucks truck sells it as cheaply as possible most of his staff are 0.87

00:07:37.500 like untrained volunteer minimum wage people with mental disabilities it's almost like a salvation 0.71

00:07:41.640 army right the problem that i understood was if you ever look at those shops right the the main

00:07:47.920 honest ed store was like four different buildings stitched together with like nine exits and

00:07:52.780 entrances and most of them had no security and that area has been that whole area has been going

00:07:59.360 completely fucking downhill in the past 15 years i think with how thin their margins were they

00:08:05.140 probably just went bankrupt from fucking theft because it's not like a dollar store with with 0.69

00:08:09.760 nothing in it they are they are actually stocking items that are worth you know 20 30 40 dollars you 0.53

00:08:14.380 could go in with a duffel bag and walk out with 500 or a thousand bucks of stuff so yeah i mean

00:08:20.100 and that's a shame that it but it's kind of like the you know the the pharmacies having to leave

00:08:24.980 california because they just they can't handle the the crisis of criminality yeah you know what

00:08:31.420 i don't know much about ed mervish and maybe someone has got some deep you know seedy info

00:08:38.660 on him that i shouldn't like him but i always pictured him like uh the toy store owner from

00:08:44.320 the second home alone movie just this like old man who's like just benevolent senior who may or

00:08:51.820 may not be magical and that story just confirms that uh but the reason i brought this up was

00:08:56.740 because at one point in my life i did buy a full suit from there from a bucket of suits

00:09:04.460 it was just like a big

00:09:07.080 bin of suits

00:09:09.280 that you just went and you fished through it

00:09:11.320 and tried to find the pants

00:09:13.360 and the jacket that fit together

00:09:14.720 but that was what you could buy there 0.85

00:09:17.240 you could just buy a fucking two or three 0.77

00:09:19.400 piece suit

00:09:19.980 for like $75

00:09:22.680 you could get anything and I also

00:09:24.860 again like I'm kind of parroting

00:09:27.200 a lot of stuff that I hear about it because I mean

00:09:28.980 my family, a lot of my family is from the GTA

00:09:31.360 and Ed Mirvish is a 1.00

00:09:33.060 is a folk hero but he is jewish but he was like very very fucking jewish so i mean 0.97

00:09:41.180 barring everything i just said it's possible he was just eating children i mean we don't 0.90

00:09:46.980 we will never know but he was not profit hungry he was child hungry well but you know what maybe 0.67

00:09:53.220 there was some fucking embezzling ngo shit because he was in he was in with mel lastman and with all 0.81

00:09:59.100 the different city governments for decades so who knows who knows i bet there's a whole fucking 0.90

00:10:04.240 story there i bet 40 knows you know what now you mentioned it right beside the suits there was the 0.85

00:10:09.900 bin of children yeah remember that like chicken cages they couldn't even really fit now like i

00:10:17.160 didn't remember at the time i didn't remember it at the time what a thing what a sentence to say

00:10:22.840 and you know what he can never sell them

00:10:27.960 and that's what did him in

00:10:29.340 he went bankrupt because he couldn't sell

00:10:32.060 children fast enough

00:10:33.820 he couldn't move them

00:10:36.360 and all those thieves

00:10:38.920 were actually liberators 1.00

00:10:40.560 I just pitched you the next Bioshock 1.00

00:10:44.340 damn 1.00

00:10:45.120 you are going to be disappointed

00:10:48.160 speaking of

00:10:50.800 just circling back

00:10:52.300 to the israel thing because you can make a meal out of israel the ongoing student protests i don't

00:10:59.560 know if we have anything to bring to the table with that you can probably get that news up to

00:11:03.580 the minute elsewhere but i did come across this uh series of tweets that's always the best start to

00:11:10.560 a thought you know i found this like series of tweets right anyway this is i thought it was

00:11:18.700 illuminating though because it ties together a lot of things and there's many of our listeners

00:11:23.520 who are advocates of the you know global trade theory of history but i'm reading from an individual

00:11:32.880 named koba at red peccariot now i'm just gonna just read what he says he's got some images here

00:11:39.920 you don't need the images to get what he's putting down i'm just gonna read it he says

00:11:43.280 On the topic of the U.S.-Israel relationship, it's not a question of who controls who.

00:11:50.100 It's a feedback loop that developed from the petrodollar and the Suez Canal.

00:11:54.880 The world imperial system consists of a network of capital flows between metropoles that all lead back to the U.S.

00:12:03.080 The most important metropole nodes in this network correspond to the locations of the Federal Reserve Banks,

00:12:08.920 specifically New York, D.C., and San Francisco.

00:12:12.440 The U.S. exports U.S. dollars from these nodes and imports commodities and labor from the rest of the world.

00:12:18.240 This is the American empire.

00:12:20.500 The importance of a node is not entirely correlated with its size.

00:12:25.000 For example, Jakarta is twice as big as Singapore, yet the latter city is one of the most economically important cities in the world, while the former is a backwater in comparison.

00:12:35.040 Geography matters most.

00:12:37.360 Getting into sort of a neorealist frame here.

00:12:39.700 this leads us to israel israel is small and much of its economy is based on speculative bs

00:12:47.920 but it's proximate to the most critically important geography for the empire

00:12:51.800 the persian gulf and the red sea the power and legitimacy of the u.s depend on the smooth

00:12:57.780 function of the oil trade countries in the countries around the world use the u.s dollar

00:13:04.140 to buy energy and they use that energy to produce and move commodities around the world

00:13:08.680 If the petrodollar collapses, then the U.S. will no longer be the ravenous black hole at the center of this global economic network.

00:13:17.420 It's an understatement to say that Israel is important to the U.S. empire.

00:13:21.180 Israel is the most important thing to the U.S. empire as it represents the iron grip of the U.S. dollar on the world's throat. 0.66

00:13:28.020 So the U.S. subsidizes Israel enough to make it luxurious internally and dangerous externally. 0.81

00:13:35.040 That's where the feedback loop starts. 0.95

00:13:37.220 And it goes on from here.

00:13:38.680 where are you at with this so far what do you think i mean i don't disagree um i don't disagree

00:13:46.280 in a mechanistic way that these relationships exist with any of these when somebody is telling

00:13:51.520 and i'm not trying to criticize this but i'm saying when somebody says here's a here's a real

00:13:55.220 quick just so story in four tweets about how the entire world works very often it's true but it's

00:14:02.100 like you're you're lending a huge amount of weight to these specific points at the expense of

00:14:08.320 everything else that's going on obviously global politics is incredibly complicated

00:14:12.340 the what i will say is the stuff that he's written there sounds totally correct second of all i don't

00:14:19.800 think that saying um the u.s controls israel negates the fact that israel controls the u.s

00:14:28.180 he's saying yeah that's kind of what he's saying yeah they control each other and i wonder if this

00:14:32.540 is kind of being used as a bit of a canard to be like well see the jews don't really control the 0.57

00:14:37.380 us actually it's the us that controls the jews like no it's both like if you want to just say 0.71

00:14:41.880 the gae is these two nations combined they're a single unit fine cool i mean it doesn't change 0.99

00:14:48.580 anything it doesn't change the fact that i mean you could say like there's way too many jews in

00:14:53.500 the american government well there's way too many americans in the jewish government yeah there are 0.66

00:14:57.400 i agree yeah and that's true because some people i heard this hilarious song uh and for people who

00:15:05.600 haven't been paying attention to this macklemore is still around no what yeah macklemore is still

00:15:11.500 writing the worst hip-hop tracks you've ever heard and be besmirching the good name of

00:15:18.280 white guys with that type of haircut um but he's got a whole pro-palestinian anthem

00:15:25.120 um and it's taking the position that israel is colonial white supremacy

00:15:31.320 so there is they're circulating and we've discussed this on the show before too

00:15:48.300 but there's in circulation for whatever whoever is circulating it doesn't matter

00:15:53.200 there is circulating this idea that you know america controls israel and it's a white colonial

00:15:59.240 project a lot of the palestinians believe that framing um so if in that sense it absolves israel

00:16:07.080 of any wrongdoing which to me and i've said this before that is an escape hatch for israel down

00:16:14.300 the road um they could actually use that to broker relationships in the region by saying that

00:16:18.640 everything bad was america's fault um because like i said i think it was on the meet the base show i

00:16:24.220 said yet all i gotta remember is israel is on israel's side they are not an extension

00:16:28.760 of the western world they are their own thing and and the the goal of jews is jewish survival

00:16:35.580 i don't think any jews would disagree go ask any jew if their priorities come first so they'll if

00:16:43.240 america retreats from its security responsibilities israel will probably find a way to survive

00:16:49.460 yeah you know some people have given the analogy of roaches but you know even if we're not being

00:16:53.680 that vulgar like they'll find a way probably yeah and i would also and i don't know what this guy's 0.81

00:16:57.800 take would be but he's saying like you know israel only exists because of the u.s yes like it was

00:17:02.720 essentially created by us in a way and then it only survives because of us yes i mean without

00:17:09.520 our funding they would be dead a hundred times over because they have made so many enemies

00:17:13.040 but then saying that israel is to this date controlled by us to the extent that it's just

00:17:18.280 our lapdog doing our bidding like it's acting in america's or in the west's interest i don't

00:17:23.960 think so i think we're acting as in israel's interest way more than they're acting in our

00:17:29.460 interest and that's the interesting about the feedback loop it's like if we want to talk about

00:17:32.860 the global american empire uh which is a term a lot of people use it's israel's interest and

00:17:39.860 america's interest would be indistinguishable in this model because neither is subservient so it's

00:17:44.900 like when you talk about American interest, then it is Israel's interest too. And he actually gets

00:17:49.060 into this right now. He says, this is where the feedback loop starts. The U.S. needs its Zionist

00:17:53.720 fortress. Israel is in a permanently unstable position though, even with all the U.S. subsidies. 0.95

00:17:59.320 The Zionist project may have its own separate goals, but it needs the U.S. empire just as much 0.83

00:18:03.940 as the U.S. needs it. Israel feeds some of the subsidies back into the American political system 0.87

00:18:08.800 by funding diverse forms of propaganda and bribing politicians through AIPAC. This feedback loop

00:18:14.560 completes itself when those politicians increase subsidies to israel this loop has gone on for

00:18:19.720 decades now it has become fully symbiotic the economic importance of the relationship has 0.84

00:18:24.120 bled over into the realm of ideology too israelis are hubristic cowards hiding behind the u.s 0.89

00:18:31.080 america is full of christian zionists and rainbow imperialists and that's true we see that all the 0.82

00:18:36.140 time the christian zionist is the wildest one to me especially in the evangelical 1.00

00:18:41.220 sector it's crazy yeah like i i don't know how widespread it is but i see stuff coming out of

00:18:47.160 there like they they would choose noah over christ it seems um and the rainbow imperialist

00:18:53.760 and these would be the nato guys or the nafo guys uh they do and i've spoken to some of these guys

00:19:00.200 there's there's influencers and creators out there one that jumps to mind i don't know if

00:19:05.480 this guy's still around i would have heard about him years ago but his name was superpower broadcasting

00:19:09.620 i saw him in a debate and he was just one of the guys like yes we are using the american military

00:19:13.920 to spread homosexuality around the world and that's a good thing so there's more of those 0.95

00:19:19.860 guys than you would think too like but just to finish up the sweet there he says the dark truth 0.99

00:19:25.180 is that there's no conscious controller behind the scenes in the u.s or israel it's a suicide

00:19:29.840 pact between the imperial frontier and its metropole the huge superstructure of zionism

00:19:34.740 is built on an iron foundation

00:19:36.160 of many concrete

00:19:37.120 mutualistic interests.

00:19:38.860 Defeat one and the other falls.

00:19:40.980 Anti-Zionism is perceived

00:19:42.960 as anti-Americanism

00:19:44.180 and is getting more and more

00:19:45.100 difficult to deny this.

00:19:47.040 There's no turning back

00:19:48.100 from this death spiral.

00:19:49.360 The only question is

00:19:50.140 how many of us are included

00:19:51.260 in the Empire's Suicide Act?

00:19:53.780 And I think that's illustrative

00:19:55.260 in the sense that

00:19:56.100 that's why the American government

00:19:57.640 seems to perceive anti-Zionism

00:20:00.120 as an attack on itself.

00:20:01.600 I think you said no.

00:20:02.760 What were your thoughts there? 0.99

00:20:03.720 Jewish hands type this. 1.00

00:20:04.740 I mean, that's where I draw the line at the end, which is essentially either one needs the other to survive. 0.99

00:20:09.200 Like, destruction of Israel would be total destruction of the United States. 0.66

00:20:12.840 Absolutely not.

00:20:13.700 This is what I mean.

00:20:14.780 If you're like, you're you're you're looking at you're looking at like logical relationships.

00:20:19.340 Like, Israel helps.

00:20:22.000 It's a quid pro quo. 0.83

00:20:23.500 Israel helps the U.S. and the U.S. helps Israel. 0.73

00:20:27.580 Each of them has something that the other needs. 0.52

00:20:29.160 I agree.

00:20:29.900 True. 0.96

00:20:30.240 if the u.s was wiped off the mat by a nuclear war tomorrow israel every israeli would be dead 0.79

00:20:38.240 within six months like dead dead dead it would be glassed by 15 different countries within a within 0.86

00:20:44.200 a few weeks probably the u.s is the only thing keeping every single fucking living israeli

00:20:49.380 alive the the opposite is not true yes if israel went away it would hurt the petrodollar it might

00:20:56.300 destroy the petrodollar yes if israel went away it would damage our long-term geopolitical strategy

00:21:02.180 re-russia fine that isn't the same thing as every american man woman and child dying in hellfire

00:21:08.640 that what that looks like is a 30 to 40 percent drop in quality of life maybe a 15 year depression

00:21:15.400 that's not the same fucking thing and we are here making a decision about whether or not we should

00:21:20.360 support israel according to this guy as if no we can't we have to do everything in our power to 0.51

00:21:25.540 support them because not supporting israel means death for all of us no it doesn't not supporting

00:21:31.000 israel means gas prices go up and and riots at the polls right israel not supporting the u.s

00:21:38.780 means every single israeli alive dies within six months at the point of a gun it's very very

00:21:44.440 different it seems that religious and ideological differences has not stopped america from having a

00:21:50.220 relatively stable relationship with saudi arabia right so it's like when it needs to have these

00:21:58.040 relationships it seems like it can the other thing is like all the stuff about the petrodollar i get

00:22:02.620 it but i mean israel i know that that you know the u.s dollar underpins all of global trade

00:22:09.720 that being said like if singapore's dollar underpinned all of global trade and then they

00:22:14.620 lost it singapore would sink into the ocean because they don't have anything but their

00:22:17.740 currency and their finance but the u.s has a huge population we they own half a continent

00:22:22.940 they're largely resource independent they have extremely advanced military technology

00:22:26.900 i don't see them being like it's not an existential crisis to lose the petrodollar

00:22:32.600 what it is is they would no longer be on top and then we'd be dealing with a multipolar world but

00:22:36.680 again we talk about it in terms of like it's the end of the world it's not the fucking end of the 0.86

00:22:40.840 world not like it would be for a small country like israel so yeah i'm looking at an article 0.51

00:22:46.200 here published um by but the imf the international monetary fund prepare for the u.s dollar to

00:22:54.000 collapse the imf warns uh according to the russian imf representative okay bricks bricks and bricks

00:23:02.020 we don't know that's sort of the conglomeration of non-american so what would that be that's

00:23:07.660 brazil russia india china and what's the s south africa i think south africa interesting south

00:23:14.800 you always forget South Africa's in there

00:23:16.760 I read that I'm like what the fuck is

00:23:18.960 South Africa bringing to the table

00:23:20.400 well South Africa's like bigger than

00:23:23.000 all of the other African economies combined 0.97

00:23:24.700 I know but still it's

00:23:26.420 in terms of a global

00:23:28.400 representation like all I hear is stories that they can't keep the

00:23:30.900 power on

00:23:31.640 I mean that's recently

00:23:33.960 but yeah I mean I think they probably need

00:23:36.860 to reevaluate that list there's probably some

00:23:38.840 other countries that would be

00:23:40.860 higher up it but I mean it's I think

00:23:42.760 it's not I'm not an expert on this I don't think

00:23:44.720 it's just the economic status of the country i think it's also where they are politically in

00:23:49.440 relation to each other and to the un you know it probably is geographically too like remember

00:23:54.020 everyone the reason that they chose south africa as such a desirable spot is for trade reasons as

00:24:00.460 well it is a desirable part of africa uh but so he says uh according to the russian imf representative

00:24:07.780 bricks is ready to offer an alternative to the u.s dollar amid the currency's collapse

00:24:11.820 and the bloc must prepare for such an instance the alliance consisting of russia india china

00:24:17.080 and south africa is and supporting nations has been working to abandon the u.s dollar for some

00:24:22.440 time that's an understatement it seems that the only reason brics exists to say stop stop using

00:24:28.580 the american dollar so i'm not sure i believe how immediate this is as a result because this sounds

00:24:34.320 like a lot of second verse same as the first but anyway uh the brics bloc is working to develop a

00:24:40.380 new bricks currency to replace the u.s dollar do you have it yet yeah when was that printed

00:24:45.300 because i remember reading that uh about 12 or 13 years ago in un's review yeah this is may 7th

00:24:50.380 2024 yeah so i mean like i know they're i'm not saying they aren't working towards it but it's

00:24:55.980 clearly a big project because they have been talking about this for decades now how long

00:25:00.280 does it take to invent a fucking currency a few white guys can do it in three days 0.62

00:25:06.260 we can be home in time for thursday for fucking uh losing touch thursday 0.76

00:25:14.700 uh such a proposal is being discussed uh in the event of the collapse of the dollar in the 0.82

00:25:21.680 international monetary system it will be necessary to turn the said bricks accounting unit into a

00:25:25.820 real currency backed by exchange goods so it almost sounds like they're waiting for the collapse

00:25:30.160 and then we'll get the currency which is does not does not embolden any confidence in the currency

00:25:38.360 this is geopolitical prepping yes it's like when when the u.s collapses for unrelated reasons to

00:25:46.780 whatever bricks is working on yeah we'll have something my basement's full of ammo but if you

00:25:51.380 think i'm going to stop going to my job you got something else coming but how does that the the

00:25:56.480 day after america falls the r in bricks russia doesn't say why shouldn't it be the ruble

00:26:03.120 exactly exactly do you really trust because there's only a couple

00:26:09.420 uh actors here that matter i mean really matter it's russia and china so tell me how day two of

00:26:17.260 this doesn't turn into russia and china in an immediate standoff to who gets to decide what

00:26:23.600 the global trade currency is going to be i don't know do you see india doing that i think i think

00:26:28.860 just invented a new type of drone that's only for like flying into pregnant women yeah yeah i don't

00:26:35.220 think india can do shit without global uh india is like a brown north korea i don't know india 0.85

00:26:41.120 made a drone i looked at the photo you can look it up it looks like a pool toy yeah i saw it 0.92

00:26:46.180 like this is the i just want to say this indians are not a serious people no not at all people are 0.79

00:26:54.520 looking forward to this show for like the indian hate segment um i don't want that to become just 0.88

00:26:59.940 a whipping post for us but really like i saw an image it's one of those you know dreary black pill

00:27:08.340 images it was i remember this from like a year ago but it was like a canadian mountie white guy

00:27:13.360 chiseled jaw and he's taking a selfie in front of a sea of like brown people and indians and

00:27:18.940 that's like brampton some canadian town i remember looking at there i'm like all you guys look stupid 0.94

00:27:24.740 all of you you're wearing your coats wrong you're wearing like a puffer vest over like a wife beater

00:27:32.520 tank top or and you got you got two styles of mustache on uh you don't know how to no no no

00:27:39.560 you know how to smile correctly yeah by the way so it's just like stuff like that i'm like i i think

00:27:45.340 the narrative that we like to grab onto and i forget if i mentioned this before but the narrative

00:27:52.020 we grab onto on this side and you've heard it before it's like young military aged men are

00:27:57.860 coming here and i really think we need to abandon that we need to because really let's talk about 1.00

00:28:03.240 like how they are is they're wimps and losers and weirdos and creeps all the brown guys are 0.97

00:28:08.160 you know they they that's why they gang up against women but if you if you get two white 1.00

00:28:14.360 guys against six of them you you whip them nine times out of ten it's they're not good at fighting

00:28:21.020 they're fucking losers and nerds and they're not even good at being nerds because they're not smart

00:28:25.220 they just cheat they got like the study habits of stoners and the appearance of nerds and just like 0.83

00:28:33.460 the the sexual charisma of uh like the janitor at the school yeah i had i actually had a truck 0.78

00:28:42.440 delivery today cube van with a drop um drop fucking gate like a lift gate on the back and he 0.75

00:28:50.180 had a four by eight foot sheet or four by eight foot skit it probably weighed like 150 kilo not 0.87

00:28:55.660 that much and he had a uh a pallet truck and he looks at me from the back of the truck he's like

00:29:01.460 sir sir it is very heavy do you have a do you have a forklift i'm like no and he's like you

00:29:06.980 will have to come up and pick it up i cannot like he's like pointing at the pallet truck and like

00:29:11.860 kind of poking it i can't do it i don't know how to do it i didn't put it in and i i just shook my 0.92

00:29:17.220 head it's like are you fucking kidding me and walked away from the truck and three minutes 0.86

00:29:20.760 later i didn't even have to yell at him three minutes later he just pulled it and it was on 0.93

00:29:23.720 the ground like okay so if if i all i had to say was i didn't even look at i just shook my head 0.69

00:29:29.220 and said are you fucking kidding me and i walked off and then he did it like so you have the gall 0.95

00:29:34.680 to attempt that but you're such a fucking coward that just seeing my distaste of you was enough 0.98

00:29:41.140 for you to fall in line like what the fuck what a strange transaction like why would you why would 0.97

00:29:46.680 you pull that shit if you were gonna roll over so easily you know what and this is something i always 0.88

00:29:51.760 come back to one thing that i've never been great at for most of my life you know not until i hit 0.80

00:29:57.800 my 30s was haggling or bargaining or trying to drive down a sale um and i would always get

00:30:03.900 frustrated when i would hear stories about how they do it in india where it's like oh every

00:30:09.340 transaction every sale you need to haggle you gotta go through this rigmarole up until like

00:30:14.500 storming away then coming back to like because they price everything more expensive expecting

00:30:20.020 that you'll argue it down by like 20 sometimes that means that every single thing you buy from 0.75

00:30:26.060 a fucking apple to a car it's like 40 minutes it sounds like yeah and it just my my white man

00:30:33.460 sensibilities were like can't we just just have a fair price and pay the fair price yeah and we

00:30:39.560 all just do our jobs you you make a bit of profit i'm okay with that like i get i get how this system

00:30:44.080 works but do i don't want to do this dance let's just treat each other like we both know what the 0.92

00:30:48.340 fuck we're doing and if i think it's overpriced then you're trying to fuck me and i'll try and 0.95

00:30:52.640 get down but like life would be so much easier if we stop trying to fuck each other over and if but 0.98

00:30:58.520 if you build entire civilizations just on fucking each other over well you get india yeah you get 0.80

00:31:03.900 china or you get all these countries look speaking of speaking of civilization that's what i was

00:31:08.360 going to bring up a minute ago in relation to bricks right like brazil and russia and south

00:31:13.380 africa are all nominally western they have the benefits of of the renaissance and christianity

00:31:18.660 right even though there's two of them are colonial um china ancient china was runner up

00:31:25.640 you know honestly ancient china they had a lot of shit going on a lot of east asian countries 0.86

00:31:29.580 were quite civilized and quite organized china as it exists today is totally fucked but they're 0.87

00:31:34.220 kind of running on steam from you know demographic steam i think but um what is india india was 0.99

00:31:41.100 fucking stone age when the british arrived there only a few generations ago and they were turned 0.97

00:31:46.000 into a resource pit and then the english lost their nerve and now we have to mop up these 1.00

00:31:52.440 fucking browns but like india is not a civilization it's such a fucking joke i know like you want to 1.00

00:31:58.260 talk about stuff thousands of years ago i'm sure it was beautiful but nobody alive or even in 500 1.00

00:32:05.440 years remembers any of that shit they are pre-industrial stone age savages who should not 0.71

00:32:10.480 even have cell phones let alone passports he was funny i remember watching that movie and for a 0.86

00:32:15.600 long time i liked this movie darjeeling limited by wes anderson uh and for westworth i actually

00:32:20.780 do think it's still for the things i like about that movie which is you know owen wilson's

00:32:26.440 performance among other things but there's this like infatuation with india from that and uh it's

00:32:31.800 kind of portrayed as being naive and probably incorrect but yeah owen wilson's always saying

00:32:36.820 like it's the most spiritual place in the world and uh wow these are beautiful people

00:32:44.740 and watching them play soccer with a rock or something.

00:32:49.880 I absolutely love it here.

00:32:51.880 But that is true.

00:32:54.180 I guess if you're talking per capita, it's the most spiritual place

00:32:58.800 because you turn a corner and it's another 12 different gods.

00:33:02.440 There's just temples, different temples everywhere.

00:33:04.840 Everyone's chanting, incense is burning.

00:33:07.220 But in that sense, it doesn't seem coherent in any way.

00:33:10.720 i mean they think they think there's like multiple gods in each organ of the cow and it's like the

00:33:16.000 wealth god is in the ass and that's why they eat cow shit so like this is that's yeah yeah they're

00:33:21.320 spiritual i guess it's funny every time they do that like you're covered in cow shit i'm like do 0.87

00:33:26.660 you feel richer has this worked yeah this has worked for anyone i always loved that about china

00:33:32.580 and i don't want to rag on china because there's a lot of good in china especially throughout

00:33:37.420 ancient history but they're very obsessed with the color red they're obsessed with fortune 0.54

00:33:42.320 and bringing good fortune to things and so red is a auspicious color so every fucking thing is

00:33:48.940 in red and i'm looking at go to the fucking reddest draped purse you could find like has 0.97

00:33:53.800 this worked for you everything's red and you got all you got the waving cat your whole shelf is 0.94

00:33:59.960 just waving cats and i guess an elephant with his truck turned up you're just borrowing from other 0.78

00:34:05.240 cultures like have you ever been rich from this no then maybe maybe fuck off

00:34:10.340 maybe red isn't magic i don't know i don't think white people would be fooled by that for 17 0.62

00:34:20.100 generations this is how i get my wife to listen to the show because she despises indians to the 0.97

00:34:26.580 point where it's almost becoming hack if i'm being honest like she needs she i'm like i get it indians 0.99

00:34:34.440 are bad like she just like she is where we were like a couple years ago she's like they need to 0.95

00:34:39.280 go in an oven i'm like i i've been hey what i know what's let's go what are we doing

00:34:44.860 uh i wanted to bring this up and maybe we should have started with this

00:34:50.180 but i'm late to the game on this story but have you had a look at this fem cell dating site

00:34:58.880 I resisted temptation.

00:35:00.860 I did not click it.

00:35:02.620 I got you.

00:35:04.700 So there was screenshots of this website floating around on 4chan and Telegram and Twitter everywhere else.

00:35:12.840 And I didn't think it was real at the start, but I got people to verify it.

00:35:16.800 We have a couple of guys in our chat who are on this and trying to meet women.

00:35:23.280 What we're talking about is Duolicious.

00:35:25.560 duolicious.app

00:35:28.280 this is a real site that you can join

00:35:30.720 online dating but

00:35:32.560 based and true love pilled

00:35:34.640 oh no

00:35:36.060 oh no

00:35:37.400 more than 5,000 active members

00:35:40.400 from your favorite fandoms that number is

00:35:42.480 so low that I believe it's accurate

00:35:44.060 it's free ad free and unlimited

00:35:46.540 messages and then there's

00:35:48.020 a selection of testimonials

00:35:50.980 from people

00:35:52.560 and these are just screen caps of

00:35:54.540 4chan posts and one here just says biggest psyop in the history of 4chan this is the worst idea

00:36:01.020 anyone has ever had um i would rather not date any woman who uses this site wait this is on their

00:36:08.020 site yeah oh fuck i love this now this is pretty stupid just a weird data mining project 0.73

00:36:14.520 um uh someone doing a green text yes hello anons i'm a real female woman who wants to 0.76

00:36:23.420 the biggest genetic failures uh fed honeypot operation anyway you know these are tongue-in-cheek

00:36:32.360 but uh some people were trading around screen caps of these real honest to goodness women and

00:36:40.180 you know a great many of their profile pictures seem to be deviant art drawings so you know some

00:36:48.380 people were calling tranny out um but i i think these are so schizophrenic and busted that these 0.91

00:36:57.920 might be real women and it really dragged me back to the reality of you know there are women

00:37:03.540 there are fem cells out there maybe there are a lot of unaccounted for women listeners of this

00:37:09.920 show i mean they're not fem cells after they get on the site and sleep with a guy there then they

00:37:14.820 are no longer fem cells this is what i was gonna say and we said this on our channel which is that

00:37:20.160 one woman had posted she had an account there and said i'm closing down this account after getting

00:37:26.380 around 300 messages so it's like yeah this is the fem cell dark brooding weird girl thing

00:37:33.120 10 000 messages 10 000 suitors day one woman moment that that was my point before too like

00:37:41.580 it doesn't matter how low a woman is there's always a man who's lower who wants her who she's

00:37:45.280 going to refuse or unperson so that's why i don't believe there is such a thing as a fem cell even 0.80

00:37:50.380 if you're that disgusting fat pig you know with one eye who's and and there actually is a division 0.79

00:37:58.420 between americans on the site and europeans our good friend fortisax was saying that you know the

00:38:04.600 european types tend to be a bit more grounded they tend to be more of like the brooding

00:38:10.580 cigarette smoking type but let's let's read one in fact let's read a few let's see what we're

00:38:17.940 dealing with out there because a lot of guys out there listeners of the show are looking for love

00:38:21.720 and i was going to mention this before i posted this various places the gender breakdown at least

00:38:27.580 from our spotify listeners because i get the gender analytics through spotify it was like

00:38:33.160 30 percent female no way yeah hey ladies canada's leading feminist podcast 0.99

00:38:43.660 let's look at these weird hoes we got eve here um so there's a lot there's gonna be a lot of 0.98

00:38:54.440 weeb terminology here there's a lot of women who are into anime i don't watch anime i don't know 0.99

00:38:58.860 heads for tails of this but i'm not a hikamori neat femme cell elite angel hearted genuinely 0.90

00:39:05.340 retarded disinformation artist i hate internet culture and e-dating extremely fringe romantic 0.94

00:39:11.400 interests and an unrelenting pursuer of the ideal of love let's look at the clubs she's a part of 0.93

00:39:18.100 dead inside fried by fluoride ice chewer insomnia ouch mouse i don't know what that means that

00:39:28.260 sounds like a fetish i don't want to know about um who are we looking at here natasha

00:39:33.560 uh normal looking girl absolutely mid normal nothing wrong here she says i've been interested

00:39:41.960 in trying this for a while so now i'm giving it a go please be nice to me i'm pretty black

00:39:46.200 pill in general so i could use some decent people to talk to and who knows where it might go uh

00:39:52.120 and it's got a regular breakdown of her summary christian looking for long-term dating

00:39:57.820 and then she's got just some 4chan

00:40:00.640 memes here about the guy on the

00:40:02.720 subway surrounded by brown people

00:40:04.940 saying 1.00

00:40:06.620 at least the GDP went up

00:40:08.240 other clubs she's part of the

00:40:10.380 Christ is King Club

00:40:11.640 she's also part of the Men Owe Me 0.77

00:40:14.520 Sex Club

00:40:15.340 also

00:40:18.320 part of

00:40:19.720 these three clubs are in a row

00:40:22.500 Breedable

00:40:23.840 Lolly and Sneed

00:40:26.640 so not sure what to make of that yeah you know what you make of this you say

00:40:33.100 women on the internet was a mistake is probably the yeah well this is the thing you don't know

00:40:38.320 how much this is genuine i assume there's some memery afoot here yeah and i mean also as funny

00:40:46.280 as all of this is they're kind of when you see these and they're leading it with uh ironic humor

00:40:53.580 about this is a fed honeypot.

00:40:55.360 This is a data mining operation.

00:40:57.580 I mean, it probably actually is.

00:40:59.800 I mean, how could it not be at this point?

00:41:02.380 It is, but what is true love worth?

00:41:06.380 No, I mean, these women are probably not real, is my theory. 0.92

00:41:10.400 Again, but, you know, you got to roll the dice. 0.90

00:41:14.380 That's true.

00:41:14.940 If I wasn't me, I would have to roll the dice.

00:41:18.400 Thank God I'm me.

00:41:19.640 Honestly, if we were single, this is a bad path to go down, but let's go down together, hand in hand.

00:41:27.840 If we were single, we could absolutely clean up here.

00:41:31.680 Maybe.

00:41:32.760 Imagine the type of tale a micro-niche e-celeb could pull.

00:41:39.000 Even if they know our podcast, you're granting them the opportunity to say, I've never heard of you.

00:41:43.180 That is like crack cocaine to them. 0.89

00:41:44.920 um so here's one here's another fucking bitch um cute stuff about me i like anime manga toku 0.99

00:41:56.240 there's a lot of anime phrases all right in a row one after the other i also like talking about 1.00

00:42:02.180 politics economics and other general aspie junk oh red flag i will be your annoying spurg gf who

00:42:10.180 never shuts up about japanese cartoons and the latest open weight llms uh but i believe in 0.70

00:42:18.240 copulation any lewd activity after marriage only first kiss on lips during the ceremony only

00:42:25.360 um i am also currently a kv what does that mean i i does that just abbreviated king james version 0.93

00:42:34.400 i don't know please don't try to pressure me otherwise or i will bonk you no fuck boys or 0.92

00:42:39.700 chads man horse did this sound like a retired slut to you yeah i mean i don't know man i'm 0.82

00:42:49.640 i'm actually quite far removed from this i this stuff just seems like uh it seems like

00:42:55.040 like markov chain word generation like i i can't really grasp it i haven't got the memes

00:43:01.740 there's one one i'm looking at one and i'm going to try and summarize what i'm looking at here it's

00:43:08.580 a typical socratic dialogue setup punchline and i don't want to describe it because it's almost

00:43:18.360 we might get in trouble for saying this but it's someone saying it's god saying that this 10 year

00:43:25.560 old girl has developed breasts and she has hit puberty and i am giving you hints that you must 0.79

00:43:32.380 nut in her and breed her and then jews colon age of consent so i'm like okay that's a joke 0.96

00:43:41.160 that's a joke a girl's telling about of raping a 10 year old girl who is who is mature sexually 0.59

00:43:50.580 and i'm like okay who is this for i don't understand yeah and but then someone makes

00:43:57.200 the point that the obvious point which is i i have to assume most of these women were molested

00:44:03.700 i'm getting strong molested vibes from all these uh for a woman to get into politics i'm just

00:44:12.800 gonna go and say it i think you gotta be if you're a woman you gotta be molested to be in the 0.84

00:44:16.320 politics straight up not yeah i mean not even don't even something's wrong with you you're 0.96

00:44:23.340 busted i'm i'm just sticking my flag in molested all right there we go if you're a woman who's 0.61

00:44:29.060 into trump if you if you know what gdp is somebody needs to clip that dimes 2024 i'm sticking my flag 0.63

00:44:37.140 in molested i'm sticking my flag in women who even know who joe biden is we're molested

00:44:44.040 and you can quote that you can play that at my trial you can play that at my funeral 1.00

00:44:48.820 because guess what i'm playing at your funeral faggot 0.99

00:44:52.680 there we go we're back 0.98

00:44:56.520 um i won't go through too much of these because it's all the same thing but obviously

00:45:02.620 one of our um our comrades in the chat was communicating when he's just sending out feelers

00:45:10.160 right um and then he sent out one and there's a lot of women who seem to be deleting their

00:45:14.560 accounts like they get on it then they delete their accounts or something so i'm like

00:45:18.580 again is this real what is this but it does make me wonder and i said this you know on i think on

00:45:25.440 the king pilled episode that was on maybe a week or two ago i'm like you know there are there are

00:45:31.680 kind of eligible women out there that you just cancel out of your vision because guys are guilty

00:45:36.180 of this just as much as women yeah sure if you just sit sit on the street corner sometime and

00:45:42.260 look around uh and it doesn't even need to be like oh i'm surrounded by ugly brown people no

00:45:47.220 just like there's probably a lot of like white women around you or whatever your type of woman 0.61

00:45:51.680 is look around there's probably ones that you've never even noticed before because you know their 0.98

00:45:56.620 hair is a tragedy or they just kind of frumpy looking and they might clean up well like most

00:46:03.620 guys but you know they're out there um i'm not sure that they would be as irony poisoned as these

00:46:10.000 women but we have to find new

00:46:12.100 ways of embracing a rapey vibe

00:46:14.220 old rape is out

00:46:17.660 women you know they've made it clear 1.00

00:46:20.160 hey I hear 1.00

00:46:22.180 you loud and clear women don't like

00:46:24.040 being raped gotcha 0.99

00:46:26.160 but they also don't like

00:46:27.860 traditional rape we're like ah I'm gonna

00:46:30.140 getcha alright so we 0.99

00:46:32.160 gotta find new you gotta

00:46:33.520 long hair

00:46:36.300 sticks and leaves in the hair blood on the

00:46:38.140 shirt stand in the aisle

00:46:39.820 of the beer store

00:46:41.140 with your arms behind your back.

00:46:43.480 Like you're looking at something,

00:46:44.980 but your head's facing the wrong way

00:46:46.400 and they can't really tell what's going on.

00:46:48.400 And then you turn around and you grab them.

00:46:51.100 Well, see, that's not really what I was saying,

00:46:53.140 but okay.

00:46:54.360 Because you're just also just proposing

00:46:56.120 how to kidnap someone in a store.

00:47:01.180 In a place where there's probably

00:47:03.820 the worst place to kidnap a person.

00:47:07.000 Like if you went to the kidnapping capital,

00:47:08.540 i assume san paulo someplace like that you're not even gonna have them kidnapping the store they'll 0.80

00:47:13.420 wait till you leave yeah let's say oh poppy white what you kidnapping in the middle of the store 0.85

00:47:21.160 they would say that you're so stupid 0.78

00:47:27.840 now this is just gonna be a quick drive-by on this and again maybe i should have started with 0.54

00:47:36.120 this just like the other thing but these a story like this can really breeze right past your

00:47:44.000 awareness because it seems like gold news but i'm just looking at the daily mail right now you can

00:47:48.460 find this story anywhere i just found this one and say as astrazeneca withdraws its code vaccine

00:47:55.200 um professor hugh pennington admits sorry to disappoint the conspiracy theorist but the

00:47:59.660 benefits of the oxford jab far away the risks and i owe my life to it so there's a couple things

00:48:05.540 going on in that headline one astrazeneca uh one of the main covet 19 vaccine manufacturers

00:48:14.740 uh is pulling its vaccine i'm also looking at an article by cbc.ca um but they're also running

00:48:22.580 uh interference for us the conspiracy theories by saying even though we're withdrawing it due

00:48:27.620 to health risks it's still better than the alternative boris johnson also had the jab

00:48:34.420 heaping praise on the Oxford University scientists who developed it.

00:48:38.660 In its first year, three billion doses were distributed, with more than six million lives

00:48:44.020 saved. But the United States never licensed the vaccine, and as clotting concerns grew,

00:48:49.780 it was suspended or withdrawn, first in Denmark and then several other European countries,

00:48:55.380 while in the UK it was restricted, first only to be used in people over 30, then those over 40.

00:49:01.620 and its legacy should be definitely a positive one rather than a negative one.

00:49:05.220 So across the height of the pandemic, the AstraZeneca vaccine was indeed the vaccine for the world.

00:49:10.900 It was a vaccine that was much cheaper to manufacture. It could be stored at fridge

00:49:15.380 like temperatures rather than the ultra cold chain, the ultra frozen temperatures that were

00:49:19.540 needed by Pfizer and Moderna. So it was much easier to transport to, for example, rural settings in

00:49:24.980 in Africa.

00:49:26.600 So why withdraw it? That doesn't even 0.67

00:49:29.020 make sense. I'll start

00:49:31.020 with the CBC article. So it says, AstraZeneca

00:49:33.280 says it's withdrawing

00:49:35.020 Vaxxervia.

00:49:37.360 It's funny they put Vax in the name

00:49:39.160 of it.

00:49:40.560 How many vaccines have Vax in the name?

00:49:45.020 If you don't want me to keep

00:49:46.940 going on with this, you guys have got to stop giving me freebies

00:49:49.180 like this.

00:49:51.660 It's vaccine to protect

00:49:52.980 against COVID-19 from global markets.

00:49:55.420 The vaccine was used early on in the pandemic

00:49:57.900 in many countries, including Canada.

00:50:00.620 In an update from the European Medicines Agency's website,

00:50:03.800 the regulator said that the approval for VaxAfrica

00:50:06.860 had been withdrawn at the request

00:50:08.280 of the marketing authorization holder.

00:50:12.320 More than 3 billion doses of the vaccine

00:50:14.660 had been supplied since it was first administered in the UK.

00:50:19.180 So 3 billion doses in the UK alone.

00:50:22.980 Or maybe that just means it was first administered in the UK.

00:50:26.220 I mean, it seems hard to believe 3 billion doses in the UK.

00:50:29.880 Like, how many people live in the UK?

00:50:32.360 I don't know how you would get to 3 billion unless there's, like, a couple guys really, really.

00:50:39.760 It's like the same 20 guys.

00:50:41.980 He's got you, like, a collector of some kind.

00:50:44.500 Sir Samir Gupta, a respiratoryologist at the St. Michael's Hospital in Toronto, said,

00:50:49.320 What's important is that the creation of the AstraZeneca vaccine, testing, rollout, discovery of complications, and stopping of vaccine distribution played out as it should for a new pandemic virus. 0.95

00:50:59.720 So again, we're hearing from Indian doctor that, no, this was all part of the plan. 0.93

00:51:06.620 Of course, this was bound to happen. 0.95

00:51:08.940 I mean, so I guess what that seems to imply is that all COVID-19 vaccines will be withdrawn due to health concerns.

00:51:17.780 like what i don't i don't want to use the term media literacy but i don't think the average

00:51:24.700 person can really parse through these statements one after the other and reconnected back to the

00:51:31.920 beginning because that statement alone is saying that to pretend that this is all part of the plan

00:51:36.480 means that oh so it was part of the plan to rush out an ineffective and harmful vaccine why didn't

00:51:42.300 you say that at the start and the people who did say that got in a lot of trouble um just hearing

00:51:48.540 what this professor hugh pennington has to say he says let's get this in perspective an annoying way

00:51:56.260 to start the article of course the astrazeneca vaccine is being withdrawn worldwide after the

00:52:00.500 pharmaceutical company admitted in a british court not that not the best place to just admit for the

00:52:07.280 first time something in a

00:52:08.380 court of law that it can

00:52:10.300 in rare cases cause fatal

00:52:11.900 blood clots I'm just I

00:52:14.860 don't know I just want to

00:52:16.060 just bask in that for a

00:52:17.840 second because every

00:52:20.280 single person who said

00:52:22.560 this at the start was

00:52:23.340 called every name of the

00:52:24.760 book and can we qualify

00:52:26.180 rare blood clots it's like

00:52:27.700 well it's only one in

00:52:28.740 10,000 people yeah

00:52:30.820 exactly yeah but I mean

00:52:32.440 only one in a hundred

00:52:33.820 thousand people died of

00:52:35.600 covid so i noticed you didn't say statistically insignificant yes 0.77

00:52:41.320 i i noticed that it wasn't so rare that you weren't in court over it you fucking assholes 0.90

00:52:49.780 more than 50 families are currently taking legal steps for compensation claiming the jab was 0.96

00:52:56.000 defective and caused long-term injury or death of their loved ones um the question is whether

00:53:02.360 on a population-wide basis the benefit of the vaccines outweighing the risks um and on that

00:53:07.680 score the evidence was overwhelming so now we knew it was going to come down to this which is like

00:53:11.480 yes everything you said was true everything you predicted came to pass however it's still

00:53:18.060 better than the alternative it's like well we actually didn't get to see the alternative

00:53:21.580 you like that's what i want people to keep in mind it's like what were we supposed to let happen you

00:53:26.980 know maybe you should have we don't know what would have happened if you did nothing actually

00:53:31.040 we did because there were plenty of countries uh where they didn't roll the vaccine out there all

00:53:35.360 kinds of places kazakhstan for example no vaccine no deaths they had flu deaths about the same as a

00:53:41.600 normal year but yeah they're there the vaccine really has it has very little it does it i believe

00:53:47.840 it had some kind of effect but it had essentially no effect and if you compare it to the deaths it

00:53:51.200 was it was a disaster like even on our side even on the distant right there's people that will

00:53:58.000 say it's just a net neutral thing a weird net neutral thing that occurred that you know what

00:54:03.840 at the very worst it did nothing so why do you guys still care about it and that's the like i

00:54:09.880 don't think we should be allowed to just sweep this under the rug yeah you know and i don't

00:54:15.880 again maybe this is old news this is old hat people are tired of hearing about this but

00:54:20.440 just we talked a lot about this as it was happening and every week or every month there's

00:54:26.260 another check mark that says yes everything you thought was correct and i just think about

00:54:32.360 those dinners or lunches with the in-laws where these are the people who are calling you a piece

00:54:38.600 of shit like i had like relationships in my life they were calling me they were acting like i was

00:54:44.440 causing the death of millions by saying what they are admitting to in court now and i don't know i 0.77

00:54:51.640 don't want to let them off the hook i don't want to let anyone off the hook for anything no i i i

00:54:56.120 mean i've permanently written all of those people off i'll never forgive them it's done because i

00:54:59.880 mean that those things i didn't wind up in prison but i could have and i to me this is this shit's

00:55:05.240 not forgivable and i i still i think even 15 20 years from now i will still want to take revenge

00:55:11.580 on all of those people can i just propose something that sounds more reasonable as the years go on

00:55:18.460 it's that i think someone at the very least let's have an avatar a sacrifice for all of our

00:55:26.940 collective the rage that's willing above the surface but also the the guilt and shame that

00:55:34.020 a lot of people the libs are probably feeling because they know we're right they just want

00:55:37.440 to admit that we're right maybe it should be anthony fauci because i don't think there's been

00:55:43.420 a more guilty man in history than anthony fauci um and a more reprehensible figure and i use that

00:55:51.700 word very carefully because if you really tally up everything this motherfucker did oh man yeah 0.59

00:55:56.920 like not only was he the chief propagator of this lie it seems inarguable that he was directly

00:56:05.980 involved in manufacturing this crisis because it was revealed a lot of people forget this it was

00:56:10.700 revealed that fauci was instrumental in funding the wulan the wuhan lab and funding the research

00:56:17.560 and what i what yeah i believe this to be true i do believe it was created in a lab and he didn't

00:56:21.860 he didn't just enable it he pushed for it he pushed for that specific research to be done

00:56:26.360 he went to congressional hearings like 15 years ago repeatedly to try to drive funding and argue 0.69

00:56:33.440 with congressmen about why the wuhan lab needed more money for this specific fucking research he 0.85

00:56:38.360 was the he was the primary reason the research even happened and then when it went wrong he was

00:56:43.760 the one to say that it wasn't happening and then he's also the one who sold us a faulty vaccine

00:56:48.360 that was fucking killing more people than the virus yeah and changed his story every week like

00:56:52.620 you can find super cuts of this out there of him like changing his story on whether or not vaccines

00:56:58.160 even work he's a psychopath i do think he's like a true a true psychopath you look at the way he

00:57:02.960 behaves the way that he talks to people the way that he behaves off camera when he walks away from

00:57:07.140 the podium yeah he's also got delusions of grandeur he's odd looking which doesn't help

00:57:12.980 he's the type of guy who's kind of easy to hate fucking demon man yeah so i'm like uh public

00:57:18.860 execution why not like yeah maybe that's a start and i would propose that with the subheading

00:57:25.760 families need to heal yeah there's a lot of families that they can't heal because

00:57:30.720 there's been no

00:57:32.500 release there's been no

00:57:35.140 you know we need something to happen

00:57:37.480 to close this and you know

00:57:39.200 I would say many other things

00:57:40.900 would happen but I'm like you know what a good

00:57:43.140 terminus to the end of the story

00:57:45.080 would be this guy getting

00:57:47.080 his head and bring back some 0.90

00:57:48.880 old fucked up type of execution too 0.86

00:57:51.200 yeah you think oh guillotine 0.89

00:57:53.080 no guillotine was made to be fast

00:57:55.080 and effective yeah

00:57:56.500 do the boiling bowl thing let's do

00:57:59.040 that you don't get to watch it though what about um the the one where they they tie ropes to his

00:58:05.560 arms and legs and pull them to pieces the thing that i wrote about to do to burke kreischer yes

00:58:10.360 yeah yeah that thing give him give him the burke just from now on we'll just call give him the

00:58:15.120 burke kreischer treatment give him the burke kreischer treatment because for the record for

00:58:18.300 people didn't read the article um i opened the article the opening paragraph we should pull him

00:58:25.420 apart with ropes i said i wanted to tie his limbs to horses have those horses race off at each end

00:58:31.700 of the compass then as he's about to be pulled apart they stop and reverse course and go the

00:58:36.580 other direction and he keep doing this basically i was edging his execution bringing him back and

00:58:42.960 then he gets a little moment of relief thinking that oh it's it's gonna be okay then pull apart 0.84

00:58:46.980 again and maybe i can do that for hours maybe i can do that for days yeah that's fucked up why 0.73

00:58:54.000 don't we do that because anthony fauci you know a lot of people are hesitating um all the feds 0.82

00:59:01.420 listening all the mounties on the horseback listening to their podcast radio just keep in

00:59:08.680 mind think of the sounds he would make they're kind of funny he's kind of a nebbishy guy he'd be

00:59:16.600 like oh you know there's no appointment programming anymore is what they say like when's the last

00:59:31.000 time the whole family gathered around appointment viewing in america this could be that because

00:59:35.740 remember this is the motherfucker who had like a national geographic documentary made about him too 0.80

00:59:39.640 fauci just one word like fucking share 0.91

00:59:44.740 old millennial reference share for the folks i'm share used to be a woman who sang songs 0.85

00:59:52.040 uh she was famous for having a husband murdered by skiing and uh then she she was the first one

01:00:00.640 i think to use auto-tune i think sounds that way yeah um like like the warbly sort of thing

01:00:08.880 um and then now she's on twitter kind of almost like a girl thomas 777

01:00:16.560 like that the type of writing online except it's about like her cats being haunted or whatever

01:00:24.400 and speaking of you know just to carry this into an adjacent topic i think

01:00:30.640 um this is canadian news but it's relevant to what we're just discussing

01:00:35.660 um about these these types of people there is a recent hate crime legislation that's being passed

01:00:47.120 in canada um and a lot of people globally are catching on to this even elon musk you know

01:00:54.380 laurie far too often a lot of these pieces of legislation that get uh presented and they get

01:00:58.800 heralded as oh this is great we're protecting kids but then you do a deep dive into the details and

01:01:04.540 you find little nuggets like you can be put under house arrest for the the thought that there could

01:01:10.860 be a pre-crime in in that you may be contemplating or something this is just this is scary it was

01:01:18.700 there are aspects of the bill as you both said that are legitimate uh things like um revenge porn

01:01:25.100 dealing with that um dealing with uh child exploitation child porn you know the abuse of

01:01:31.520 children those are legitimate but what they did was that was what got the headlines because people

01:01:38.240 you know it was released late people read it oh this isn't so bad it's not as bad but then when

01:01:43.280 you do a deep dive as both the canadian civil liberties association and the canadian constitution

01:01:48.480 federation have done and remember those were the two bodies that convinced the federal judge

01:01:53.200 that justin trudeau's invocation of the emergencies act was an unjustified attack on the rights of

01:02:00.480 canadians they're saying exactly the same things about this bill and this is not a musk fanboy

01:02:07.280 show by any stretch of the imagination but you know when he comments on something that that is

01:02:11.840 an indicator of its relevance in the discourse i think so and he i'm looking at the independent

01:02:17.920 from the uk news is reporting on it elon musk joins controversy over a new canadian bill

01:02:23.760 that will let citizens seek damages for online hate speech and this is called

01:02:28.000 The Online Harms Bill.

01:02:30.660 The Online Harms Bill would create a new government body to regulate hate speech on social networks such as X.

01:02:36.500 So he's probably looking at this just from a CEO perspective.

01:02:40.140 I don't want this encroaching on my thing.

01:02:42.800 He's also a free speech guy in one way or another.

01:02:45.900 But I understand why the shareholders would want him to care about this.

01:02:50.420 But also, this hits all of the check marks that we fucking hate.

01:02:55.100 It's a new government body. 0.76

01:02:56.460 it's 10 000 jobs for the fattest mids you can imagine 40 plus hags um to just to handle people

01:03:06.580 who are upset um and there's a this is being reported pretty wildly in canadian news i got

01:03:12.180 two articles here from ctv news um that because the canadian government is trying is down the

01:03:20.080 defensive i don't think they expected people to get upset about this um but says government says

01:03:25.400 only extreme online hate speech would be proed by human rights body um government officials say

01:03:32.080 online hate speech would have to portray a group as inherently violent or unhuman

01:03:36.580 to meet the threshold for investigation by a human rights tribunal under a newly proposed law

01:03:42.100 well then you have a theory episode yeah pretty much like if a lot of people are saying you know

01:03:46.620 a lot of our content creator fans were actually mentioning blood sally by saying like you know

01:03:52.820 canadians just think of how many like i hypocrites i think he's a canadian guy 0.81

01:03:57.360 big channel fucking jf greppi fucking like who how many people have said anything negative against 0.96

01:04:05.160 trannies you're on the docket like is being anti-zionist you know does that make by me being 0.99

01:04:13.620 anti-zionist does that mean i'm saying they're unhuman well they can claim it does because what 0.99

01:04:19.140 do they always say you're denying our right to exist yep oh that sounds like a dehumanizing so

01:04:25.040 like this circuit this will either um it won't pass like it won't it won't pass or it will pass

01:04:34.620 and it's the end it's the end for us or for them but there won't be um there won't be business as

01:04:40.660 usual there won't be elections like normal after this passes because if they start the number of

01:04:46.260 people they would legitimately have to come after and when you think about how how organized and

01:04:52.880 armed we are at this moment i don't i don't see the the nation surviving that one i can't i can't

01:05:03.180 see that that happening yeah and also i don't think it'll pass with something like this it's

01:05:08.280 merely the an inching up of the temperature of like this this is even if this is struck down

01:05:15.080 the momentum of something like this being proposed in the future won't be stopped because they've

01:05:20.700 been teasing this out you know within our entire lifetimes this is not far and away something the

01:05:26.740 liberal party or the ndp or any of the left in canada would be proposing they will do it next

01:05:32.640 year under a different name yeah of course and you know we talked about the conservatives would

01:05:37.380 do it under for anti-semitism you know one way or the other it'll though they'll do it this is

01:05:42.560 the government as a body it has nothing to do with the parties yeah like uh get peer poly of

01:05:48.120 on board if it targets hard workers we don't want people who are writing things against hard-working

01:05:53.300 immigrants yeah you know like these people they're so easy to horn swoggle but uh i'm looking at the

01:06:01.160 article and it's um a picture of the minister of justice in canada arif verani like oh my god 1.00

01:06:10.900 the changes have come under harsh criticism from civil liberties groups and

01:06:16.020 legal experts who are voicing concerns about the potential chill on free

01:06:20.440 speech,

01:06:20.820 the potential chill on free speech.

01:06:24.900 So this,

01:06:25.940 this,

01:06:26.240 you know,

01:06:26.620 we're worried that maybe this could cause some problems down the road.

01:06:34.260 The,

01:06:35.020 they also come after liberals received significant pushback,

01:06:38.180 especially from opposition conservatives on other legislation to regulate tech giants

01:06:43.000 for their streaming platforms and their use of news content um so it sounds from reading that

01:06:50.740 and maybe i'm wrong it sounds like the conservatives also oppose this but only in the name of tech

01:06:55.480 giants not really because of the free speech or hate speech that's hilarious the the conservatives

01:07:02.040 once again are mainly

01:07:04.220 concerned about Netflix

01:07:05.320 Bill

01:07:07.900 C63 also known as the Online

01:07:09.840 Harms Act seeks to introduce harsher penalties

01:07:12.040 for existing offenses

01:07:13.420 it would allow sentences of up to

01:07:16.020 five years behind bars

01:07:18.020 for hate propaganda up from

01:07:20.140 the current two years so for people

01:07:21.900 who are acting like this it already exists

01:07:24.040 kind of

01:07:24.740 it would also allow

01:07:27.960 a judge to impose lifetime

01:07:29.780 imprisonment for advocating genocide again

01:07:31.960 what what do we mean by advocating genocide and we talked about this on a very important clip

01:07:38.440 that you can find on our odyssey or our youtube channel um it's about canadian law and looking

01:07:44.760 going through the canadian charter of rights and freedoms and the canadian constitution and noticing

01:07:50.000 how legally it's structured differently than the american constitution or the american bill of

01:07:55.440 rights and that the exhaustive legalese employed in it makes it more open for interpretation

01:08:03.680 basically the way the entire that the charter of heights rights and freedoms is structured

01:08:08.800 is that it's up to whatever judge at the time because it uses a lot of tricky language like

01:08:14.800 reasonable the word reasonable is used a lot within reason or with this within the spirit

01:08:20.960 of canadian freedom things like that so that will trigger different thoughts if you've got

01:08:27.920 let's just say an anglo judge whose family can trace its roots back 10 generations versus

01:08:35.620 an iranian judge who got hired or whoever the fuck he is who's our current

01:08:41.060 minister of justice what's reasonable mean to reef and that's actually very very important

01:08:46.320 yep um so pointing out that that's important is itself now a crime well that's the thing

01:08:52.820 exactly point out that maybe they have different definitions and also you know advocating genocide

01:08:58.180 is anti-zionism advocating genocide they would say so if you have a position against the existence

01:09:04.000 of israel maybe you're in jail for five years now um and there's been a lot of uh clips floating

01:09:12.320 around of uh there's similar legislation being proposed in america which would effectively make

01:09:18.300 like the new testament illegal because because they're they're they're up against an anti-semitism

01:09:23.580 bill um and the new testament could be perceived as anti-semitic in part so it's the new you know

01:09:28.760 that's them connecting the dots we continue our coverage on a federal bill that could change the

01:09:33.840 definition of anti-semitism overnight the u.s house passed a bill 320 to 91 and a group of

01:09:41.220 Representatives say they want to protect their Jewish constituents and the bill would essentially make it easier for the Department of Education to enforce anti discrimination laws at public institutions. This bill would require the Department of Education to use the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance's definition of anti-Semitism. Well, the Alliance has a short version of the definition, but also created a list of examples that's included in the new bill. Part of the full expanded definition reads denying the Jewish people their right to self

01:10:11.200 determination by claiming that the existence of the state of israel is a racist endeavor

01:10:16.400 what this means is that our legislation is being farmed out specifically to foreign powers

01:10:23.440 should this bill become law it will mean that a group of foreign governments have had a say

01:10:28.120 in developing speech restrictions that govern american citizens but it's it really is up to us

01:10:35.520 to connect the dots don't listen to these motherfuckers think about how this can be used 0.52

01:10:39.720 against you and assume it will be that's that's your fucking job as a citizen i guess um so anyway 0.82

01:10:48.120 i was just looking at this and i hope it doesn't pass um i'm not optimistic that something like it 0.76

01:10:56.020 won't be passed like we said it already exists in many decentralized forms with the human rights

01:11:02.320 tribunal uh cases and you know like i said judges are empowered to do this on a case-by-case basis

01:11:09.360 already yeah yeah um i think you know we've said it before you know what we've covered on this show

01:11:15.980 could probably get us thrown in jail and i don't even think we're that crazy um but you know even 0.95

01:11:22.600 this episode alone we said a lot of things about indians you might recall such classics all true

01:11:28.180 things by the way you might remember such classics as why are indians yeah or they're a bunch of 1.00

01:11:35.380 fucking dweebs yeah they are stone age pre-industrial savages who do not deserve 0.98

01:11:40.540 cell phones let alone passports yeah i only advocate death for the man who introduced 1.00

01:11:47.180 indians to cell phones in a way it's not their fault uh if you give them fire you know they burn 1.00

01:11:53.940 the whole place down who who introduced them to cows that was a mistake look how they they got 0.99

01:12:01.420 But really, everything went sideways with that.

01:12:05.180 Think of the cows.

01:12:06.860 Think of the cows. 0.86

01:12:07.920 Imagine being a cow and you're both worshipped,

01:12:11.980 but then they're only worshipping your ass.

01:12:15.900 The form of worship is something like the human centipede.

01:12:21.300 I mean, it's baffling.

01:12:23.100 It's fucked up.

01:12:24.680 I would love to just be a little stinker.

01:12:27.720 is challenge PETA

01:12:30.040 to go after the entirety of India

01:12:32.060 for what you're doing to these cows is not cool.

01:12:36.120 I've seen a dozen videos

01:12:38.000 of Indian men shoving their whole head

01:12:40.100 in a cow's anus.

01:12:41.600 That's cruel and unusual.

01:12:43.560 That beats any factory farm.

01:12:45.340 Stop it. Don't do that.

01:12:47.780 You can just stop.

01:12:49.880 I want to say that you can just stop

01:12:51.700 doing what you're doing.

01:12:52.800 Anytime. Just please

01:12:54.540 stop anytime you want.

01:12:56.920 So I'm just going back to the Elon Musk article here.

01:12:59.960 On Tuesday, Mr. Musk retweeted what appears to be an untrue claim about the bill

01:13:06.960 that gives police the power to arrest anyone who has ever posted hate speech,

01:13:10.580 even if it happened before the bill was passed.

01:13:13.320 Well, why not?

01:13:15.900 Because there was an article, a screenshot of a supposed article floating around Canada

01:13:22.180 to imprison anyone who's ever posted hate speech online.

01:13:25.920 Um, and Elon Musk is like, that sounds insane. If accurate, you know, that's a pretty lukewarm

01:13:31.640 phrase, big, if true. Right. Um, but why not? Why hypothetically, why couldn't you?

01:13:39.300 Because that's, that's an interesting question. Does hate speech become less potent

01:13:43.160 in time? Is something I wrote two years ago, really less relevant? They would say no.

01:13:50.580 how often are old tweets dredged up to cancel someone so why wouldn't that be the case here

01:13:57.760 if it's proven that you said something hateful in the past before or like the idea that it would

01:14:02.800 just start when the bill is passed what's that based off why not there's there seem to be no

01:14:08.260 provisions in the bill to say everything prior to this is exempt right um

01:14:14.480 oh and here we go

01:14:18.880 Mr. Musk frequently shares dubious claims

01:14:21.420 or theories with his more than

01:14:22.620 this is all just a hit thing against

01:14:25.200 Musk but

01:14:26.680 like imagine being the 0.89

01:14:29.140 journalist who has to go

01:14:30.600 write an article defending this bill

01:14:32.840 that's effectively what this article is doing

01:14:34.880 right

01:14:35.200 he's got it wrong no there's no reason to believe

01:14:38.880 it's that bad why aren't you as a journalist

01:14:41.040 concerned about this we know why of course

01:14:42.760 anyway uh moving on from that we'll we'll keep an eye on it but i don't know about you i've

01:14:50.400 in it in that sense i feel like we are doomed um you and me specifically the ones who have so much

01:14:57.920 recorded episodes and and posts and everything saying what we say i've just kind of accepted

01:15:04.700 it how about you same i stand by everything that's the reason like you know i really care

01:15:12.660 less and less about things that go on in the internet like about twitter or the telegram

01:15:17.720 channel and like i like seriously i i i'm not a prepper but i want to practice shooting every

01:15:23.920 weekend and i want to know how i'm going to deal with this because i don't i genuinely think there's

01:15:31.000 a very high probability not for the whole country but for our group our faction of people are going

01:15:37.420 to wind up in some heavy shit over the next five to ten years and it's going to be you know it's

01:15:42.900 it's there's not enough room in this town for the both of us type thing either we're going to win

01:15:46.820 or they're going to win but i don't see the current situation where they're kind of politely

01:15:51.260 ignoring us and we're not attacking anyone aside from verbally this isn't going to keep going on

01:15:57.740 can i ask you a serious question and answer truthfully how would you feel if when we

01:16:04.500 link up obviously in a collapse scenario shit it's the fan it's our families joined up i assume

01:16:10.080 i don't know if you got any other plans but i assume we would be stalking the wastes and then

01:16:16.240 you know you've trained all this time with your rifle then like you we had to snipe someone from

01:16:21.120 a distance right we got

01:16:23.080 take out a raider or a

01:16:25.040 bandit camp and I take

01:16:27.120 your rifle I nail it first try

01:16:29.020 I haven't practiced nearly as much as

01:16:31.140 you how do you feel

01:16:31.940 I would be I'd be really mad and I'd just

01:16:35.000 wink at you like match I would

01:16:37.040 I would fuck fuck 1.00

01:16:39.280 shift Z suicide 1.00

01:16:41.140 shift Z fuck 0.98

01:16:42.140 fuck this game 0.99

01:16:46.000 quick load quick load 0.90

01:16:48.740 it's like oh man that was a that was a scripted cut scene where dimes nails the first shot 0.61

01:16:56.680 fuck yeah we we have not reached the heights of autism where we start speaking like that like oh

01:17:03.460 that was that was scripted the thing you did that was a cut scene it had to happen it was the

01:17:09.440 i know that you actually if you tried you couldn't did i ever tell you i took we took ray shooting

01:17:14.840 the first time with us and we had one of those little

01:17:16.980 dinky spinner

01:17:18.540 targets which is like for air guns but we're using

01:17:20.860 with the Mosin with steel core ammo

01:17:22.480 and 50 yards first shot 0.73

01:17:25.040 he hit it so dead on

01:17:27.060 that the bullet went through the

01:17:28.960 spinner into the steel bar

01:17:31.060 perfect center and split

01:17:32.960 the steel bar in half and I kept it

01:17:34.780 I have it in my closet

01:17:35.580 I thought you were going to say ricochet back and hit him in the aisle

01:17:38.420 that would be funnier but it was

01:17:40.860 essentially that is like well shit

01:17:42.760 I've been practicing here for months

01:17:44.440 okay and what was did he give the pool hall reaction because here this is what happens

01:17:49.640 every time let me just start at the beginning the genesis of this thought is that no one is

01:17:56.380 good at pool and that's just how it is people can work very hard to get good at pool they don't get

01:18:02.940 there it's all luck it's all just a thing you do but every time someone lands a cool you know pocket

01:18:10.680 they do the thing where

01:18:12.340 I've done this

01:18:14.020 I'm not making myself exempt from this

01:18:16.100 anytime you do something that seems cool in pool

01:18:18.260 you keep your eyes locked on it and start

01:18:20.340 yep and nod

01:18:21.700 like it was all part of the plan like you knew what you were doing 0.91

01:18:24.440 you never know what you're fucking doing

01:18:25.760 so I wanted to know did Ray do

01:18:28.400 the pool hall thing where he hit it then he pretended

01:18:30.640 like yep

01:18:31.180 he just kept shooting

01:18:34.280 so but I

01:18:35.760 Bob and I saw it

01:18:37.760 and I think we showed it to him

01:18:40.560 afterwards he didn't realize it was 50 yards in the in the brush so i don't think he actually

01:18:44.800 saw what he did we'll move on to the next thing now i just wanted to mention that for people

01:18:50.420 who are interested we have a new episode of real secret coffee hours up on the paywall that is the

01:18:56.780 gum road and that's the patreon uh the episode that just uploaded was about npr uh there was

01:19:04.660 this article you you'd actually like this i can send it to you um there's a guy named uri geller

01:19:09.900 who is an editor at the npr and he wrote an article about how like how npr lost america's

01:19:17.940 trust and it was written from the perspective of a guy who's still at npr trying to say like

01:19:23.160 why does everyone hate us now but say like oh we can be great again and he's he's uh died in the

01:19:29.680 wool lib and even he starts off by saying some people might say i'm the archetype of an npr

01:19:35.740 listener i did have like a fucking activist lesbian mom and it just goes on listing all the

01:19:42.840 stuff as yeah well that's that's you but he still wanted to believe that he represents america 0.81

01:19:47.700 like you know npr we always cut pretty well across the american demographics no he never did 70

01:19:55.840 liberal like you're reading this and you're thinking i'm not going to spoil right now but

01:20:00.260 really it's a very enlightening read to how these sorts of people think um so yeah give that a shot

01:20:07.720 um just move on to the next thing and this is just an open question i'm really curious to hear

01:20:12.920 what you said we were discussing this in the chat maybe a couple weeks ago just on the topic

01:20:19.520 of collapse scenarios that i would win at and there's a lot of contentious debate on this topic

01:20:26.500 so there was this i don't know how do i set this up let's say there is a collapse scenario

01:20:34.720 um like we're discussing at the start petrodollar bricks all that okay um let's say america

01:20:42.440 collapses um and trade is ruined and people technology i guess in this scenario would be

01:20:50.580 mostly gone um like like a real movie collapse scenario okay you're all living in villages and

01:20:57.540 towns and stuff um they were saying this individual in the chat his name is jordan

01:21:02.680 good guy he was saying that you know we would the way we make cars are stupid we would make a new

01:21:08.580 type of car that's both i'm trying to try and steal my ass position here but it sounded like

01:21:14.220 a car that was both made of and runs on wood i don't think that was it i think that might have

01:21:20.060 just been something i was auto completing in my mind but anyway it was a car with a new type of

01:21:25.640 fuel source because we would be cut off from the oil market the global oil trade marketplace that's

01:21:32.200 what he was saying and it kicked off a larger discussion about what would actually happen

01:21:37.300 in a collapse scenario um and i'll just i'll say what i think would be more realistic to happen

01:21:44.160 and you tell me what you think so i said i'm like well you know we're not in this scenario it's not

01:21:48.540 300 years in the future like in fallout or something right let's just say we're within

01:21:53.200 one or two generations of a collapse right and i said the the infrastructure the manufacturing

01:21:59.140 infrastructure in america and canada but let's just use america as the example here is still

01:22:05.820 pretty robust even though they've offshored a lot of their manufacturing there's still car plants

01:22:10.600 there's still a lot of pipelines i mean fuck america is still i think once you run the numbers

01:22:17.000 like the number one or number two oil producer in the world like like texas alone produces a lot

01:22:23.160 but let's ignore all that um i had said you know in a collapse scenario i could imagine instead of

01:22:30.260 developing all kinds of new technology based on limited resources and stuff it might actually

01:22:35.820 make more practical sense to form guilds of people who still know how to do this stuff

01:22:41.060 employ a few car manufacturing plants and just kind of keep manufacturing cars because it'd

01:22:48.880 probably be easier to manufacture the cars we have on a smaller scale maybe tweak some of the

01:22:53.540 designs you know they don't need to be all the modern electronic ones right but you know you

01:22:59.020 could you know a 1990s honda civic or a ford hilux or something like that like one of these

01:23:07.540 very utilitarian cars that still run on oil i just think it would be easier to manufacture that and

01:23:13.380 i would think that in immediately following a collapse the formation of guilds of people who

01:23:19.940 can operate and maintain heavy machinery these are your car plants these are resource extraction

01:23:28.560 this is any any of the pipeline management stuff they form guilds they can still manage it i mean

01:23:34.820 If you start fast enough, you can maintain that knowledge and pass it down even without the internet, even without any of the technological assets that we have. 0.92

01:23:43.440 Why would we need to revert to a peasant lifestyle? 0.84

01:23:47.380 If we act fast enough, we could more or less maintain what we've got on a smaller scale as long as it didn't need to be connected to the internet.

01:23:57.720 What do you think based on what I said?

01:23:59.380 So the first thing, just to answer the larger question broadly, I think the key thing is where you said act fast enough because using the oil economy as an example, it's like a positive feedback loop where you need oil infrastructure to support oil infrastructure.

01:24:17.200 So if you lose oil infrastructure, you can't recreate oil infrastructure because you have no oil infrastructure.

01:24:21.900 so jordan's thing about of wood cars which is is a really funny way to say it and i saw you jump on

01:24:29.060 him when he said that which is fair if you don't know if you don't know about this it sounds like

01:24:32.780 the dumbest possible thing to say but wood or any biomass can be put through a syngas generator to

01:24:39.980 generate syngas and syngas is a gasoline substitute that you can make from biomass you can use old

01:24:45.260 vegetables wood algae whatever you want and it's something you can do in a garage at small scale so

01:24:50.120 if you already have cars you have a car but you don't have gasoline you just make a syngas

01:24:56.520 generator and then you run your car your normal fucking toyota on syngas yeah and let me just say

01:25:01.520 just for my point the phrasing he had used that i jumped on which is like he had said we'll create

01:25:06.960 a new type of engine and my argument was it's probably more complicated to yeah create a new

01:25:13.680 type of engine than use the ones we've got and definitely it i i totally agree that the idea

01:25:18.200 the plan should be from the get-go to use what you already have so if you have car plants use

01:25:23.840 the car plants if you have gasoline engines and you have factories that make gasoline engines

01:25:28.840 and you need if you if you absolutely need to make more cars then go ahead and make cars but

01:25:34.600 make them make the exact same models don't start designing shit i totally agree with that but i

01:25:39.300 don't think you'll be in a position where you need to make more cars i think we have way more cars

01:25:43.700 than we fucking that is true yeah i think you nobody's going to be thirsting for cars we're 0.60

01:25:48.020 going to be thirsting for the expendables we're going to be thirsting for gasoline so we really

01:25:52.680 need the fuel yeah i don't think we're going to be coming up with new types of engines um but then

01:25:57.760 again you don't again if your fuel source is something like syngas you don't need a new type

01:26:03.600 of engine i don't know why you would want a new type of engine when there's many types of like

01:26:07.980 even if you just say we go from we switch from gas engines to diesel or to uh like a hybrid 0.81

01:26:13.540 engine if you call it utility engines it's it's just a normal fucking engine it's overbuilt a

01:26:20.180 little bit and they all the point is they already exist you could buy them they're they're in stock

01:26:24.640 somewhere and these engines can run on fucking anything you can run them on olive oil you can 0.89

01:26:29.020 run them on fucking alcohol you can run them on whatever you can run them on fucking semen right 0.86

01:26:33.920 so the on sound fucking come so the the main thing is the for the folks at home semen means 0.87

01:26:38.700 it means come yeah semen is is french for come so uh you know you see what i'm saying though right 0.89

01:26:45.300 like uh durable goods aren't going to be the issue the issue is going to be things that are

01:26:49.280 expendable and any of those supply chains that were the supply chain depends on the supply chain

01:26:53.720 electricity and telecom would be the the other two that jump to mind like if you if the telecom

01:26:59.280 grid went down how do you organize fixing the telecom grid without the telecom grid and and

01:27:04.760 likewise how do you organize fixing the power grid without the power grid well and this is kind

01:27:09.200 of what i was getting to which is that when people assume or hear about collapse scenario they think

01:27:13.480 oh everything reverts back to a previous or some prior form of technology which is i don't know

01:27:21.280 like like they imagine just new peasantry forming but you know you had mentioned that what happens

01:27:25.420 of the telecom network uh goes down and i just immediately thought of like a mesh network right

01:27:31.300 i started thinking of okay like you can network together in some form these communications what

01:27:37.140 are they run on well they're running batteries like okay well you can charge batteries in a lot

01:27:42.100 of different ways you know i mean like you're talking so you remember a minute i seized on

01:27:47.400 the idea of if we act quick enough so for you're talking about chargeable batteries you're already

01:27:51.680 talking about 21st century technology like lithium ion right lithium ion batteries have a limited

01:27:57.180 like a cycle life like they can only cycle 5 000 times or whatever and then they're dead

01:28:02.540 and most lithium comes from south america or from china so you don't have more this the problem

01:28:08.660 isn't the batteries you have the batteries they'll last you a few years but after you run out of

01:28:13.180 batteries you better hope the supply chains are back because you're going to need chili and china

01:28:17.040 and like with the mesh thing is another one like if the telecom goes down you can use mesh networks

01:28:21.840 to send text messages but most mesh networks you can't even have a phone call they're very very

01:28:26.640 low bandwidth so you certainly can't transfer large files and you if you can't even have phone

01:28:31.260 calls like you're going to be down to like walkie-talkies i don't i think i think there's

01:28:35.880 kind of a romanticization of all we'll all become peasants i'm joking all the time about going and

01:28:40.980 farming turnips and whatever but like the reality is you don't want to lose any technology you want

01:28:45.480 to keep as much as you can. But realistically, some of these technologies really are dependent

01:28:50.080 on very complex supply chains. And if you act quickly, you can fix them. If you don't

01:28:54.980 act quickly enough and you make the wrong decisions with limited resources, you might

01:28:59.340 find a cascading failure where the initial collapse kicks you back to 1999, right? Where

01:29:07.140 you're working on dial-up internet and everybody has to, you know, you can't run trucks that

01:29:12.240 have computers in them but if you don't fix that within 10 years now you're in 1970 because you

01:29:17.360 don't have any fucking chips left and if you don't fix that quickly now you're in back in 1930 because

01:29:22.380 now you've run out of plastics in the facilities to process it so like it it can decay even further

01:29:27.560 but i don't think it's i don't think you'd ever see a situation where overnight it becomes the

01:29:31.800 middle ages yeah and that's why it's a much more nuanced interesting conversation when you think

01:29:36.520 okay what being in the 21st century as we are what advanced technology can be done on a sort

01:29:44.100 of local or artisan level and maintain on that level whereas in maybe 20 years ago you needed

01:29:50.620 a massive infrastructure to do it and how long do those last with proper maintenance you know

01:29:55.480 like how much of an international network do you need to maintain things and for how long and can

01:30:00.560 you move off that on something else and one thing that um led me to down this road was i just always

01:30:07.800 thought of cuba um when cuba had so many trade embargoes placed on it and there was a few videos

01:30:14.840 i had seen where one of the embargoes was about cars they couldn't really get a lot of car imports

01:30:19.520 there so they just got stuck with the cars they had right so there was just this car culture in

01:30:25.380 cuba where they're just like maintaining and souping up these like old classic cars

01:30:30.120 for like decades and they just if you take care of them they just kept them running because that's

01:30:34.620 all they had and then the other end of it is it forces them to be more selective with the way

01:30:40.200 that they use cars like you don't have a family car cars are used for businesses mostly right

01:30:44.700 they're used for transporting uh perishable goods but that i mean you also would probably

01:30:50.420 just have a bike or walk to be frank most of us should just have a bike or walk in a lot of cases

01:30:55.140 and you can have horses like there's and i was arguing this with fort not arguing talking about

01:31:00.100 it the other day and it's like i love the idea of horses i'm not i love cars too but i just think

01:31:04.840 it's a shame that we've horses have a huge thousands of year uh history with european

01:31:12.700 culture but we've abandoned them because cars were a little bit more convenient the way that

01:31:17.040 we abandoned the mom and pop hardware store for walmart like we could literally be a horse culture

01:31:22.640 and also have fucking ferraris but we don't so i mean this would be the sort of thing that would

01:31:28.260 force you back and like let's reintegrate some livestock into the way that we live not in a

01:31:32.940 peasant way but like let's just rethink the way that we the way our culture works right yeah and

01:31:37.640 that's why i like these discussions and the talk of i keep coming back to the phrase guilds but i'm

01:31:42.560 like no what they would be is affiliation networks like the people who are the keepers of the

01:31:46.540 knowledge and then you know thinking practically about what we can maintain and we use cars because

01:31:51.120 cars would be the most obvious example of something very practical that everyone assumes we just

01:31:57.700 wouldn't have them you know it's very hard it's like you wouldn't stop having roads you'll just

01:32:02.660 have probably fewer roads you know and so anyway that was just i think a very interesting i would

01:32:09.520 encourage people to discuss with their people um and this really leads into what i wanted to talk

01:32:16.160 about as well we didn't get a chance to talk about this on our live stream with meta prime but i was

01:32:21.100 all primed and ready to because we're going to discuss an author and a book by this author

01:32:26.980 I think you have some familiarity with and it connects directly to what we were just talking

01:32:31.840 about which is I think the nature of technological development and really with the previous

01:32:38.100 conversation we were having was about which is like is there a certain benchmark you can reach

01:32:43.280 where it's very difficult to collapse beneath that you know can you achieve a level of

01:32:48.960 technological advancement where you know if everything goes wrong you'll revert back to

01:32:52.760 that level but not back to the stone age or not back to the iron age or something like that because

01:32:56.280 people think it goes right to the iron age um or our fantasies do anyway but it's like no well

01:33:02.080 will we figure out to get some kind of telecommunications network going somehow

01:33:07.980 and you know let's just say yes what would that look like um and because this next author ray

01:33:14.940 Kurzweil. He has a very optimistic view of technology. The book that I read was The Age

01:33:22.940 of Spiritual Machines. So Ray Kurzweil is a name that a lot of people know. He's a very popular

01:33:29.380 writer and he does interviews as well. He's the leading name, I would think, on what we could

01:33:36.920 call technological optimism. He's written a great many books. As far as I can tell, most of his books

01:33:43.500 say the same thing um yeah he's kind of i don't want to say he's one note but i think you know

01:33:48.660 once we talk about this book the age of spiritual machines it you've read a few of his books i think

01:33:54.580 um and i remember you talking about him even way before we had the podcast when we were just

01:34:00.040 you know green young men right you because you read a lot about this stuff right what's your

01:34:06.000 experience with ray kurzweil i mean i i i came into the right wing from a from more of that angle

01:34:15.800 and at the time i was reading them i thought it was really interesting stuff i learned a lot from

01:34:20.560 his books he's uh he is a techno optimist i fundamentally disagree with his view of the world 0.57

01:34:26.340 and his writing style is very idiosyncratically jewish like you can hear like the the dripping

01:34:33.620 oivez in his writing style and in the way he talks when he does interviews too so like i honestly i'm

01:34:39.220 really turned off by him just as a dude later in my life uh but from the standpoint of just looking

01:34:45.640 at the way he links technology together and like in a best case scenario how things will advance

01:34:49.820 and where things will go and what it means for humanity and and culture yeah i think he's on

01:34:55.220 point if you if you don't read any more into it than that and you never let him watch your kids

01:35:00.220 yeah never let rake her as well watch your kids yeah i mean as true today as when it was said

01:35:07.320 just now just now um and let me just preface this by saying that you know i wasn't

01:35:14.100 i wasn't deeply impressed by the book but that might be because he is so ingrained in popular

01:35:21.320 culture in the zeitgeist and as he outlines in the book a great many of his predictions have come

01:35:25.980 true um you know he's on the side of sort of inevitable technological advancement he's given

01:35:32.420 some you know he's one of those guys who's like oh by 2000 you'll have a computer that fits in

01:35:36.880 your hand uh maybe there was a time when people thought that sounded preposterous but i don't

01:35:41.880 know to me that some of this stuff seems obvious maybe it wasn't obvious at the time in the 80s

01:35:45.760 you know so one of my main themes and uh and i've developed this thesis over 30 years is that

01:35:54.120 information technology grows exponentially.

01:35:57.120 The power of computers, our understanding of the human brain, the spatial resolution

01:36:01.320 of brain scanning, the number of bits we move around the Internet.

01:36:04.120 I mean, many different measures of information technology double every one year,

01:36:10.120 every 11 months, 13 months, depending on what you're measuring.

01:36:13.120 So these technologies will be a million times more powerful within 20 years.

01:36:19.120 In fact, the speed of exponential growth is itself speeding up.

01:36:23.120 So in 25 years, these technologies will be a billion times more powerful than they are today.

01:36:29.640 And we've already seen that kind of progress.

01:36:31.460 When I was an undergraduate, we all shared a computer at MIT that took up half a building.

01:36:36.540 A computer on your cell phone today is a million times cheaper and a thousand times more powerful.

01:36:41.880 That's a billion-fold increase in price performance of computing since I was an undergraduate.

01:36:46.620 his success in this field might be part of the reason why you know i wasn't too thrilled reading

01:36:54.140 it but the most interesting stuff i thought was at the start later on the book he actually has

01:36:59.160 a section where it's like here's all the things i predicted that came right we'll go into that

01:37:03.220 in a little bit but that's what made me realize like okay this guy he's not an idiot you know but

01:37:07.440 his if i just summarize his position it's like technological advancement is exponential and

01:37:15.620 inevitable. We're going to get to a point where we

01:37:19.620 have longevity escape velocity, and it's not that far away.

01:37:24.160 I think if you're diligent, you'll be able to achieve that by 2029.

01:37:27.940 It's only five or six years from now.

01:37:32.860 So right now, you go through a year,

01:37:35.560 use up a year of your longevity, but you get back from scientific

01:37:39.700 progress right now about four months. But that scientific progress

01:37:43.820 is on an exponential curve, it's going to speed up every year, and by 2029, if you're

01:37:49.420 diligent, you'll use up a year of your longevity with the year passing, but you'll get back

01:37:54.760 a full year.

01:37:56.240 And past 2029, you'll get back more than a year, so you'll actually go backwards in time.

01:38:02.400 Now, that's not a guarantee of infinite life, because you could have a 10-year-old, and

01:38:11.200 He could compute his longevity as many, many decades,

01:38:13.960 and he could die tomorrow.

01:38:17.700 But what's important about actually capturing everything in your brain,

01:38:21.880 we can't do that today, and we won't be able to do that in five years.

01:38:26.600 But you will be able to do that by the singularity, which is 2045.

01:38:32.280 And it will one day surpass human control.

01:38:37.040 And it will create something that is superior to humans in every way,

01:38:40.980 something we can barely understand almost in the sense that when we reviewed um jf careppi's book

01:38:46.060 the revolutionary phenotype even though that one's a bit more specific on what it would look like this

01:38:50.820 is it's it's said in very science fictiony terms like you you could explain this to someone

01:38:57.300 who is familiar with you know books like brave new world or you know any of that stuff but it's like

01:39:05.040 oh in the future we'll just have this like hyper advanced godlike ai that will solve all of our

01:39:10.520 problems and you know the implication is at this point the machines can not only replicate

01:39:16.860 themselves faster than we could ever invent them but they achieve something like intelligence

01:39:22.100 and then super intelligence and his argument is and this is probably his most controversial

01:39:27.300 argument is that they could have something like a spirit or a soul or something like achieve

01:39:33.720 something like a religious understanding of the universe but he breaks it down in very materialistic

01:39:39.800 and very i'd say atheistic terms where it's like well what is religion you believe things and those

01:39:46.200 beliefs cause feelings well machines can have feelings you know like it's a lot of that so it's

01:39:51.460 i wouldn't say it's a deep ontological investigation into what faith is um and what the the real

01:40:01.360 guts of of christianity but from a scientist perspective who probably doesn't think religion

01:40:07.940 is very important yeah you can believe that an ai could do it if if religion is just believing in

01:40:13.800 things really strongly uh but then he would also say that but religion is illogical so they wouldn't

01:40:19.420 believe it for long like okay okay ray thanks ray so i'll just kind of explain in his own words what

01:40:27.160 he says here is that it is the nature of exponential growth that events develop extremely

01:40:32.560 slowly for extremely long periods of time but as one gets through the knee of the curve events

01:40:38.300 erupt at an increasingly furious pace and this is what we will experience as we enter the 21st

01:40:44.160 century so this would have been written in the i think it was the 80s or something so a lot of the

01:40:49.340 stuff he's predicting in the 21st century um he kind of sets it up here and this is the most

01:40:54.660 interesting part of the book to me or it's about the nature of growth and the nature of exponential

01:40:59.460 growth and the mathematics behind that. But he says, an organism is not a closed system. It is

01:41:05.080 part of a larger system we call the environment, which remains high in entropy. In other words,

01:41:10.820 the order represented by the existence of life forms is insignificant in terms of measuring

01:41:16.240 overall entropy. Thus, while chaos increases in the universe, it is possible for evolutionary

01:41:22.580 processes that create increasingly intricate ordered patterns to exist simultaneously.

01:41:29.460 so that's an interesting way to start the book by saying that as entropy increases and chaos

01:41:34.900 increases almost axiomatically you'll develop evolutionary processes that will kind of withstand

01:41:41.400 those entropic forces um and that's where you get to the heart of his position which is that

01:41:47.600 technology is the only thing that can get us there because you need you know need something

01:41:52.240 that can not only grow but grow at an exponential rate to withstand the decay and entropic

01:41:59.320 forces of the universe and he says technology like the evolution of life forms that spawned

01:42:05.740 is inherently an accelerating process the genetic code of the evolutionary process of technology is

01:42:12.120 the record maintained by the tool making species that's us just as the genetic code of the early

01:42:18.280 life forms was simply the chemical composition of organisms themselves the written record of early

01:42:23.080 tools consisted of the tools themselves later on the genes of technology of technological evolution

01:42:29.220 evolved into records using written language

01:42:31.920 and are now often stored in computer databases.

01:42:35.000 Ultimately, the technology itself

01:42:37.280 will create new technology.

01:42:40.600 And this is what J.F. Grepe was talking about

01:42:43.000 in The Revolutionary Penotype,

01:42:44.300 which is that if you surrender the replication process

01:42:49.020 enough to the replicators themselves,

01:42:52.200 that can cause a runaway chain reaction

01:42:54.640 where it almost doesn't need you anymore.

01:42:56.960 and it could do the thing that needed you to do originally more effectively than you

01:43:01.600 and then you become subservient to it but i recommend people watch that clip on the

01:43:07.500 revolutionary phenotype because it gives a more in my opinion a more carefully thought out scenario

01:43:13.240 of how that could all shake out and this this takes place over the course of centuries or even

01:43:18.660 millennia depending i look at it however in kurzweil's view this all happens with exponentially

01:43:24.400 shortening amounts of time um now he says here technologies fight for survival evolve and

01:43:32.620 undergo their own characteristic life cycle we can identify seven distinct stages of this life

01:43:38.080 cycle during the precursor stage the prerequisites of the technology exist and dreamers may contemplate

01:43:44.400 these elements coming together the next stage one highly celebrated in our culture is invention

01:43:49.520 A very brief stage, not dissimilar in some respects, the process of birth.

01:43:54.260 The next stage is development, during which the invention is protected and supported by doting guardians.

01:44:00.520 Often the stage is more crucial than invention.

01:44:03.000 The fourth stage is maturity.

01:44:04.580 Although continuing to evolve, the technology now is a life of its own.

01:44:08.220 It may become so interwoven in the fabric of life that it appears to many observers that it will last forever.

01:44:13.880 This is usually short-lived.

01:44:15.100 shortly thereafter another new technology typically does succeed in rendering the technology into

01:44:20.700 obsolescence so and i think that's that is true like nothing he is saying isn't true and it is

01:44:28.320 true that technological development has well it has because you know what's interesting though

01:44:35.060 it's you hear that but then you look at apple you hear that and you look at tech development over

01:44:41.400 the past i'd say 10 years and how everything seemed to have stagnated i know that's a very

01:44:46.220 consumerist way of looking at it but it seems that aside from making things slightly lighter

01:44:53.140 or slightly thinner it just doesn't feel like it's really he uh you know what though that that

01:44:59.720 does gel with his theory he has a chart in the one book that i read i think it was the singularity

01:45:05.000 near where he examines each of those markets as like a set technology and there's a phase

01:45:12.360 of growth and then a plateau and then a collapse and they overlap each other and each hill is

01:45:18.040 higher than the last so i think what we're looking at according to him that there was you know there

01:45:24.620 was the printing press and then there was say radio and then there was television and then there

01:45:28.980 was the internet and then there was personal computing and all of these things overlap and

01:45:33.720 each of them has a peak and then each of them has a collapse and then it's replaced so he would

01:45:37.700 probably make the argument yes we are seeing a sloughing off of apple and now recently even

01:45:46.100 google apple probably six or seven years ago google as of this year and they're going to be

01:45:51.600 replaced by something totally new that's going to make google look small and then that in and then

01:45:57.020 the point is these cycles each cycle gets taller and each cycle gets shorter like the cycle for

01:46:02.040 radio was 60 years the cycle for the printing press was 400 years the cycle for apple was what

01:46:07.780 12 years the cycle for agi might only be two years or three years and then it's on to something else

01:46:12.940 that's and that's the whole idea of the singularity or like the the explosion that where machines

01:46:18.860 become alive and destroy he doesn't think they'll destroy us but yeah it's that that that cycle

01:46:24.020 keeps getting shorter and shorter until it just becomes zero there is almost a hyperstitional

01:46:28.980 quality to this and hyperstition is the theory that you know basically you imagine or speak

01:46:35.640 something into existence it's a fiction that becomes real by writing it in a sense so ray

01:46:44.060 kurzweil is read by a great many of these tech pioneers and the tech accelerationist movement

01:46:50.960 so it's almost like by him writing this he has spoken it into reality because every single one

01:46:56.540 of them thinks it's their job to usher us into this technological singularity as well and

01:47:01.700 interestingly i think that has them going down some blind alleys um i think a big one was vr

01:47:07.980 like for some reason vr just it just doesn't take and maybe that's not the next thing like

01:47:14.040 they were just convinced that that would be the next thing but maybe that's not it i think the

01:47:18.860 culture i i'm sorry to interrupt i think the culture for vr was not right i think if we

01:47:23.280 continue to get more atomized and it continues to become more advanced and cheaper that vr will be

01:47:29.440 even worse than phones and by worse i mean more ubiquitous because i i have seen a trek if you

01:47:35.400 look at how bad meta was when it came out and those early like oculus headsets and you look at

01:47:40.020 some of the stuff that's coming out now not the apple one but the one uh actually it's meta's new

01:47:43.700 headset if you look at that track that out another five years with people even poorer than before and

01:47:49.640 these start getting handed out for free by the federal government like because my concern was

01:47:55.620 and i'm hopefully incorrect about this but if i'm just you know churning out the hot takes

01:48:02.320 i would think that the thing people don't like about vr is it tries too hard to be a hyper real

01:48:09.160 replication of our world like the reason people didn't like meta was because it tried oh look

01:48:13.780 it's a 3d store that you could walk into and really what what took off on the internet was

01:48:19.260 the thing it was didn't really resemble the world that we lived in it was this whole other world

01:48:25.460 that enticed us in so i'm like i think vr succeeds the less it tries to look and act like the real

01:48:31.400 world um like we don't need these cartoony avatars i don't know did you see the um casey 0.98

01:48:38.680 neistat's review which obviously he's fucking promoting apple because he's an apple faggot 0.97

01:48:42.700 but him and a couple of other people had reviewed it and the one of the takeaways that is not being 0.99

01:48:47.600 talked about that much as they said if if it's rather than using it like a phone or an entertainment

01:48:52.360 device that you a lot time to use if you treat it like a part of your body where you wear it

01:48:57.860 almost constantly which obviously you look like an idiot wearing it outside but again a lot of

01:49:02.800 people spend all day in in their home right if you wear it all day in your home or all day in

01:49:07.580 your office where there's nobody around and you're using it as an ar platform because that was the

01:49:12.280 whole thing with the new google one is that or then the apple one is that you are you're still

01:49:16.820 seeing the room but you're interacting with people and windows at the same time in the same space

01:49:21.600 they said that after about a day or two of it it's completely seamless and you feel naked and cold

01:49:28.240 without it on your head because really yeah yeah in the same way that like we already like you and

01:49:34.440 i all of us have this fucking tick where if our it's kind of like you don't know what to do with 0.77

01:49:39.860 your hands except now it's you're always grabbing your phone and flicking your phone just to see the 0.82

01:49:43.740 time or see if you have a you know somebody responded to something right it's like that 0.75

01:49:48.240 it's except that it it's fucking it interfaces with your brain within like 48 hours if you wear 0.73

01:49:55.160 it constantly this is great i think i only saw one guy sounding the alarm on this everybody else is 0.83

01:50:00.240 like this is amazing it's living in the future and one guy is like this is the end of civilization

01:50:04.600 yeah there's this we always talk about the spatialization of time and we were talking about

01:50:10.840 the book empire and communications but there's a there's a profound modern condition where we

01:50:18.580 speak of the future like it's a country that we could live in like we're moving to the future

01:50:23.700 i'm changing my residency the future this is what it feels like to live in the future

01:50:27.060 you know like you're in love with the idea of being part of a tech revolution so much

01:50:31.840 and this is why i always even when i was younger as a teenager i i could never be an early adopter

01:50:38.600 of anything um and i knew so many of them especially apple guys like there's i was always

01:50:44.020 just a microsoft nerd you know i mean just not because i liked microsoft but because i just

01:50:50.080 didn't really like apple that much you kind of default to that and linux was just and don't

01:50:55.620 start messaging me with linux stuff i get it i've heard it yes i i should be on linux i should be

01:51:01.840 i get it all right but um they were love the early adopters like anytime there's a new type

01:51:08.480 a watch they pry themselves me the first ones to the door even the people like i don't understand

01:51:13.540 the people who bought the first tesla yeah you can never convince i'm not anti-tesla buying teslas

01:51:19.480 now like to me it needs to progress a lot further to even be you know even to pike my interest but

01:51:27.400 like the people are like i got the first one i'm like it's gonna be the worst one yeah you're a

01:51:31.940 guinea pig i like who's the guy getting i'm the first one who used the ai you know trip planning

01:51:38.900 routing i'm like i guess you just want to die like i don't know like i never could get my head

01:51:44.380 on that but there's a lot of people who pride themselves on being early adopters who are like

01:51:48.880 i want to be the one who ushers us into this future that i can i can get real estate in by

01:51:54.920 getting it on it early and if there just wasn't enough of those people for google glass you know

01:52:00.840 I mean, but anyway, I think those really, you know, the inhumanity of that world will

01:52:05.880 become, I think that's the selling point, you know, like you had said, it's, it's for

01:52:11.120 people, you know, people say, oh, you'll look so stupid in these headsets when you're walking

01:52:15.500 in the park.

01:52:16.120 Do you think people care?

01:52:16.980 Well, how many people walk in the park?

01:52:19.540 How many people leave their house?

01:52:20.960 Like not more people than you think, just don't go out.

01:52:23.720 i i was at a a public venue today a few hours ago and i saw a zoomer with the broccoli cut 0.94

01:52:32.600 hasty white skin like he hadn't been out in weeks he was wearing i shit you not a polyester hawaiian 0.97

01:52:38.960 shirt with roses and kissy lips and board shorts and i'm like you could not you would actually 1.00

01:52:45.120 look cooler if you were wearing a fucking vr headset you look like the dumbest faggot in my 1.00

01:52:50.880 life and he was like 80 pounds overweight but it's this is the guy who never leaves his house 1.00

01:52:55.440 goes out thinking he looks normal everybody's staring at him like he's a fucking clown because 0.87

01:53:00.420 he is but these are the people that are the that are gonna wear this i'm not gonna wear it 0.87

01:53:05.680 you know we i you know what and i i'm i'm backing up here because for the longest time i kind of

01:53:13.020 rolled over and i've been i'm i'm not a tech guy but i i have a phone i use a computer but i think 0.66

01:53:19.480 for the number of people like you said that want to live in the future and want to drag this shit

01:53:23.520 forward we need a faction of people who drag it backward not like luddites but people who say no

01:53:28.700 you know what here's why the thing from 2018 is uh superior and if you try to sell me yours i'm

01:53:37.220 gonna throw a rock at your head like not even just saying no like i'm gonna be antagonistic 0.72

01:53:42.840 toward this shit because it's i don't know i don't want to get into a whole thing but it's 0.89

01:53:47.860 it's bad man it should this this needs to stop because there's no real utility statement for 0.68

01:53:54.900 people like us like why should i employ this in my life other than this is the future you know i

01:54:01.540 mean like you just need to believe that the future is a country that you could inhabit and your real

01:54:06.400 estate will be more valuable if you get it on it early but it's like other than that like there is

01:54:10.680 no real reason to will this into being and like with the vaccine we never took the vaccine but

01:54:17.020 we did we were the late adopters of all this technology right we are sitting here with our

01:54:21.360 smartphones at the very least and our social media accounts so how did that benefit us again are we

01:54:27.400 way more connected or are we way more atomized are we way wealthier is our time more free and

01:54:33.960 more organized are we getting better news now no everything's worse it's all worse it's all worse

01:54:39.900 so you can't you can tell me that it's not caused by the technology but i'll tell you what the 0.50

01:54:45.860 technology didn't fucking help at least it at a very least it didn't help so let's let's drop it 0.89

01:54:52.480 again the only reason i use a phone is because everybody else uses a fucking phone i wish i 0.88

01:54:57.180 didn't have to use a phone but i i do we i cannot work in the technology industry without a fucking 0.92

01:55:02.240 phone i wish i didn't have to have a social media account i wish i had real friends i wish i i wish 0.84

01:55:08.100 i could delete telegram and then tomorrow at six i could go to the bar and meet the friends that i

01:55:13.320 don't have but i have telegram instead thanks thanks technology great because everyone at the

01:55:19.460 bar right now is also staring at their phone and it is old people do everything's like oh the old

01:55:24.020 grizzled guys full of wisdom like they are all playing the dumbest yeah boomer-brained iphone

01:55:31.160 game that you could imagine wife and i went to a beautiful irish pub near to us one of the nicest

01:55:36.300 ones that we can go to locally on saturday at like six o'clock should have been busy it was

01:55:43.220 maybe every fourth table had somebody at it and it was a fat boomer that's it and this was in a

01:55:49.240 place where like it's not i wouldn't say it's a young community but there's a lot of young people 0.61

01:55:53.040 like there's fucking high schools all over the place where is everybody where's there's a college 0.84

01:55:57.300 not far away like what the fuck where is everybody when i was in college these were the same places 0.94

01:56:03.060 like the fucking firkins and wherever right that's where we were all hanging out on a saturday so 0.80

01:56:07.500 where is everyone they're at home on their phones yeah because i remember not to get too deep into 0.84

01:56:13.080 but i remember as a kid you know my first gaming console was a sega genesis but you still felt

01:56:19.500 guilty if you were playing it for too long yeah and you should be outside everyone had like super

01:56:24.540 nintendo this is the arrow that we're talking about but they're still like oh you're gonna

01:56:28.020 you're gonna spend it inside on a sunny day and you still felt like yeah this is that's fun but

01:56:33.040 i don't know if there's a shame uh associated to it that no longer exists like well it kind of

01:56:39.860 exist because people would call you a basement

01:56:41.640 dwelling this and that but I mean

01:56:43.700 that's us though I don't think the younger generation

01:56:45.800 does that at all. And also they're into

01:56:47.720 esports and they're millionaires so what the

01:56:49.760 fuck do you know what I mean like they this became

01:56:52.000 somehow

01:56:53.280 being a basement dwelling loser

01:56:55.700 became the only

01:56:57.820 career path it's the only thing that 0.68

01:56:59.760 makes money anymore so fuck me

01:57:01.820 what do I know I got into podcasting

01:57:03.760 late

01:57:04.240 and I had the

01:57:07.560 audacity to be Canadian

01:57:09.080 um but yeah i just want to keep going when he talks about like the nature of growth because

01:57:12.820 i think this is the most interesting stuff and sort of the nature of time um but uh like what

01:57:18.780 i will say though before i get started is that i will meet these people on the issue of

01:57:26.160 inevitability a lot of them say this development is inevitable from what i can see it seems to be

01:57:32.580 that way just because of how many how much capital and labor is invested globally and going there

01:57:39.700 i'm just not optimistic and that's why i more adhere to a nick landian sort of view which is

01:57:47.160 like yes it's inevitable but this let this leads to the death of humanity this leads to a gray goo

01:57:53.040 future um and there's many other intellectuals who've said that so i think i will meet you

01:57:59.300 halfway with inevitability but i we need to have a different sort of conversation about how to

01:58:03.940 prepare for that or how to create a space outside of it or how to create some other rebalancing act

01:58:10.660 because perhaps there is a future where technology replicates itself and is done with us i just don't

01:58:17.460 think that leads to utopia at any rate by the time you get to 2045 we'll be able to multiply

01:58:24.980 our intelligence many millions fold and it's just very hard to imagine what that will be like

01:58:31.940 and that's the singularity well we can't even imagine right that's why we called it the

01:58:36.580 singularity the singularity in physics something gets sucked into its singularity and you can't

01:58:42.500 tell what's going on in there because no information can get out of it there's various

01:58:48.260 problems with that but that's the idea it's too uh it's too much beyond what we can imagine

01:58:56.580 i can't even call it naive i don't know what it is but like you know we should

01:59:00.100 unless it's some kind of rocco's basilisk sort of thing which is if i'm not remembering this

01:59:05.700 incorrectly rocco's basilisk is a thought experiment that says that any significantly

01:59:12.260 advanced artificial intelligence in the future will hate humanity kind of like that book i have

01:59:18.020 i have no mouth and i must scream and it will it'll only show mercy on those who helped bring

01:59:25.120 it into being so you have this this duty if you want to survive you need to bring it into being

01:59:31.260 and not fight against that inevitability for your own survival i'm like that's interesting

01:59:35.620 or we build an empire around the butlerian jihad and anybody who even has a whiff of developing

01:59:42.480 agi gets hung we could just do that i think that's what that's why i think dune is so relevant like

01:59:48.780 it actually is and i think that part gets kind of glossed over uh but yeah the layer in jihad

01:59:54.520 which is that artificial intelligence is such a threat we just we waged a war against it and

01:59:59.280 anyone that was attempting it by which i mean shooting them in the face and cutting them apart

02:00:04.500 with swords yeah um here's a part he's talking about here he says what determines whether time

02:00:10.840 speeds up or slows down? The consistent answer is that time moves in relation to the amount of chaos.

02:00:16.640 We can state that the law of time and chaos as follows. In a process, the time interval between

02:00:22.920 salient events, which means events that change the nature of a process, expands or contracts along

02:00:28.880 with the amount of chaos. If chaos is increasing, the law of time and chaos implies the following

02:00:35.360 sub-law the law of increase in chaos as chaos exponentially increases time exponentially slows

02:00:40.960 down that is the time interval between salient events grows longer as time passes um he defines

02:00:48.520 information here like order is information that fits a purpose the measure of order is the measure

02:00:54.340 of how well the information fits the purpose in the evolution of life forms the purpose is to

02:00:59.300 survive it and i i agree with a lot like the stuff he's saying like i get this i'm with you i agree

02:01:05.200 with it. In an evolutionary algorithm, a computer program that simulates evolution, applied to say

02:01:11.660 investing in the stock market, the purpose is to make money. Simply having more information does

02:01:16.420 not necessarily result in a better fit. A superior solution for a purpose may very well involve less

02:01:22.480 data. The law of accelerating returns as applied to an evolutionary process is defined as the

02:01:28.220 following. An evolutionary process is not a closed system. Therefore, evolution draws upon the chaos

02:01:33.680 in the larger system, in which it takes a place for its options for diversity, the evolution

02:01:38.560 builds on its own increasing order.

02:01:41.760 Every exponential runs out of steam, it runs out of resources, and that's true.

02:01:46.060 These specific paradigms run out of resources, but what happens is that creates research

02:01:50.440 pressure to create the next paradigm.

02:01:52.120 So, in the 50s, they were shrinking vacuum tubes, every year making them smaller and

02:01:56.240 smaller to keep this going.

02:01:58.060 That ran out of steam, they couldn't shrink the vacuum tubes anymore and keep the vacuum,

02:02:01.560 And that was the end of the shrinking of vacuum tubes.

02:02:04.360 It was not the end of the exponential growth of computing.

02:02:06.460 We went to the fourth paradigm.

02:02:08.160 And then the fifth, which was Moore's law,

02:02:10.360 the shrinking of sizes on an integrated circuit,

02:02:14.360 there had been regular predictions

02:02:15.420 that that was going to come to an end.

02:02:17.660 The first predictions by Gordon Moore himself was 2002.

02:02:21.960 Intel now says 2022.

02:02:24.000 By that time, the key features will be four nanometers,

02:02:26.220 about 20 carbon atoms.

02:02:27.360 We won't be able to shrink them anymore.

02:02:29.320 And that will be the end of Moore's law.

02:02:30.960 But that won't be the end of this exponential growth of computing.

02:02:34.160 We'll go to the sixth paradigm, three-dimensional molecular computing.

02:02:37.580 That was a radical suggestion when I wrote about it in my 1999 book, The Age of Spiritual Machines.

02:02:43.040 It's now very much a mainstream view if you talk to the intel scientists.

02:02:47.720 So there it's not even talking about just technology or just mechanisms.

02:02:52.520 It's evolution itself. It's cellular organisms.

02:02:55.880 And so you could even remove this discussion from technological innovations and just to, you know, cellular evolution where, you know, it was millions and millions of years before the emergence of these multi-cell organisms.

02:03:11.280 But you could argue that that's the first step of this.

02:03:14.540 And really, if you want to get into information theory, which he kind of is here, and we discussed this on a previous clip about information theory you can find, I was reviewing the book called The Information.

02:03:28.480 There's an argument to be made that life as we know it is just a very, very complex machine for the propagation of our own DNA.

02:03:37.660 That, you know, humans, like we are basically just the armor our DNA creates around itself to survive longer.

02:03:44.540 And then the innovations that we create and employ, even to the McLuhan, Marshall McLuhan extent of extending your senses along different media and electronic media.

02:03:55.420 Like that is all in the interest of the survival of DNA.

02:03:59.660 Which is tautologically true, but it's a tautology, yeah.

02:04:04.860 Yeah.

02:04:05.520 And you look at what is information.

02:04:07.860 Well, information is data on a computer, but information is also cellular information.

02:04:12.700 Your DNA is information.

02:04:14.040 it's it's encoded in your proteins and if you zoom all the way down to the quantum level we

02:04:20.680 talk about the spin of quarks and things like that like what what governs their behavior well

02:04:26.780 there's something called information and a lot of these guys will speak of in terms of programming

02:04:33.040 there's some kind of universal programming on this very very finite level other people would call

02:04:39.480 that you know the mind of god or the soul or something but there is some kind of some kind

02:04:45.000 of programming that goes into this to make things behave the way they do and no matter how far you

02:04:51.660 zoom in you still find that so he talks about this thing called the learning curve it says the

02:04:57.940 learning curve is remarkably universal most multicellular creatures do it slugs for example

02:05:03.500 follow the learning curve when learning how to ascend a tree in search of leaves humans of course

02:05:08.120 are always learning something new,

02:05:09.480 but there's a salient difference

02:05:10.640 between humans and slugs.

02:05:12.420 Humans are capable of innovation,

02:05:13.840 which is the creation and retention

02:05:15.500 of new skills and knowledge.

02:05:17.360 Information is the driving force

02:05:18.860 of the law of accelerating returns

02:05:20.380 and eliminates the leveling off of the S-curve.

02:05:23.380 So innovation turns the S-curve

02:05:26.280 into indefinite exponential evolution.

02:05:29.300 So, you know, this thing that humans do

02:05:31.240 that other multi-cell organisms do,

02:05:34.020 the fact that we can innovate and create means

02:05:36.380 that that ties into how this exponential growth will occur with us specifically and not just

02:05:42.760 not just result in slugs becoming more and more hyper advanced because that is the

02:05:48.840 that would be the natural follow-up question it's like well if this if the law of accelerating

02:05:53.500 returns why isn't that seen in other data systems because you know moss in that sense is a data

02:05:59.000 system why isn't there fucking hyper intelligent moss walking around so there are ceilings to this

02:06:04.780 that only, or filters rather, 0.81

02:06:06.740 that only if you break through.

02:06:08.360 And innovation and tool building

02:06:10.760 would be essential to that.

02:06:12.780 It says, ultimately our machines will match

02:06:15.560 and exceed human intelligence

02:06:17.240 no matter how one cares to define

02:06:19.760 or measure this elusive term.

02:06:22.480 Even if my timeframes are off,

02:06:24.380 few serious observers who have studied the issue

02:06:26.600 claim that computers will never achieve

02:06:29.840 and surpass human intelligence.

02:06:31.820 Humans will have vastly beaten evolution

02:06:34.220 therefore achieving in a matter of only thousands of years as much more than evolution achieved in

02:06:39.880 billions of years so human intelligence a product of evolution is far more intelligent than its

02:06:46.000 creator can i sorry i don't want to interrupt i just want to bring no go ahead please do he's

02:06:52.420 done it twice now and i remember him talking the same way before it's kind of this i i wonder

02:06:56.640 because there's this through line through a lot of techno optimist stuff the way that they use

02:07:00.700 the phrase inevitable and i think it's just it's just wrong i don't know if it's propagandistic

02:07:05.440 or it's just the way they say but they say this this technology this ai is inevitable i think when

02:07:12.040 they say inevitable they're speaking in response to people who say this technology is not possible

02:07:19.340 if it were possible we'd have to build it how do we build it i don't know like it's not possible

02:07:24.720 and they say in response, hey, not only is it possible, it's inevitable. You don't have to

02:07:30.500 lift a finger. It's going to happen on its own. But that's not really what inevitable means,

02:07:35.440 right? Because you could say, and the problem on our end, we're interpreting him saying inevitable

02:07:40.920 as it cannot be stopped. He's not saying that. He's talking about it existing in a vacuum with

02:07:47.840 no assistance from the outside and also no opposition. In a vacuum, which is to say in a

02:07:53.820 in a naive culture that's not paying attention to it it will inevitably rear its head right which is

02:08:00.360 so in response to people who say how do we build it he's saying don't worry about building it it

02:08:04.740 will build itself but he's not talking about opposition there's no reason we can't literally

02:08:09.900 destroy this tomorrow we can stop it tomorrow it would be very very easy to stop this you could 0.93

02:08:16.120 murder artificial intelligence in the crib right now if you want a lot of gay men who you could 0.96

02:08:23.140 get rid of a lot of jewish men a lot of gay jewish men you could get rid of 0.71

02:08:28.480 there i don't know if that's just a general statement or if that's in relation to what

02:08:33.340 we're just saying no it's just sam sam altman is the guy who okay i thought you're saying just

02:08:37.480 as a general thing you could kill a lot of gay jewish men you could i mean just literally if

02:08:44.300 somebody took out sam altman tomorrow it would probably set the thing back at least six months

02:08:49.100 which is significant so and he goes in a few examples here in the book i know we don't have

02:08:53.700 time to go into them but he's saying like how can you create a human intelligence how could you

02:08:59.120 create some because the human brain or the human mind is a very complex uh interlocking mechanism

02:09:05.620 and he starts going into a neural net paradigm this is a neural net paradigm is an attempt to

02:09:11.480 emulate the computing structure of neurons in the human brain um he goes into he says here like

02:09:17.620 neural nets evolutionary algorithms are a way of harnessing the subtle but profound patterns that

02:09:22.080 exist in chaotic data and goes into quantum computing he says in a quantum computer the

02:09:28.640 qubits will be represented by a property like nuclear spin or individual electrons if set up

02:09:35.260 the proper way the electrons will not have decided the direction of their nuclear spin

02:09:39.080 and this will be in both states at the same time the process of conscious observation of the

02:09:44.500 electron spin states uh causes the ambiguity to be resolved um he says a 40 qubit quantum computer

02:09:51.740 would be evaluating a trillion possible solution simultaneously which would match the fastest

02:09:56.280 supercomputers at 60 qubits we would be doing a million trillion simultaneous trials when we get

02:10:02.480 to a hundred qubits the capabilities of quantum computing would vastly overpower any conceivable

02:10:08.160 digital computers so he's banking a lot on okay neural nets can mirror the structure quantum

02:10:13.580 computing can maybe fill in the gaps there's a lot of emergent technologies that could easily

02:10:19.580 get us to the computational power of the human brain and from there it's what do you do with it

02:10:25.740 right and as far as i know that's not wrong you know constant computing is often brought up that's

02:10:31.340 there's enough companies working on that right now that it's that seems to be something that i we

02:10:36.920 probably already have it i haven't checked but they've been talking about for so long i'd be

02:10:40.420 surprised if there wasn't some working model of that yeah i believe it already exists it's just

02:10:45.600 you know a little scarce on applications um and he gets in the real meat of it here

02:10:51.240 now he says i believe that will be possible to engineer self-replicating nanobots in such a way

02:10:56.860 that an inadvertent undesired population explosion would be unlikely there's a concept in software

02:11:02.680 development of mission critical applications these are software programs that control a process on

02:11:09.060 which people are heavily dependent examples of mission critical software include the life support

02:11:13.460 systems and hospitals automated surgical equipment autopilot flying and others so basically he's like

02:11:20.000 you know the fear is we're going to make nanobots we'll make self-replicating nanobots how do you

02:11:25.100 create self-replicating nanobots that don't overwhelm the universe especially if they

02:11:29.440 replicate exponentially and this is literally what happened in dune for people who don't go

02:11:35.160 too deep on the dune lore um this was the main reason they had the butlerian jihad just for

02:11:40.980 artificial intelligence because they had they have these things called hunter seekers which

02:11:45.160 are like microscopic you see them in the book these like assassin droids um they made so that

02:11:50.300 those could operate autonomously and also replicate and it became obvious within a short

02:11:55.720 amount of time they could just overwhelm and destroy all life in the fucking universe

02:12:00.120 which is a reasonable enough expectation right so he's like well how do you prevent that happening

02:12:05.840 here's the trick you tell them not to

02:12:08.760 that's been working with our our current slave stock so well yeah exactly of course it'll work

02:12:19.500 with the robots that's a very wise statement and on within his framework a statement would be well

02:12:26.340 if we accept that these machines are they're smarter than us in every conceivable way

02:12:31.480 wouldn't they figure a way around whatever stone you know relatively stone age provision we could

02:12:38.860 put in their you know operating system yeah like that's where the op the optimism hits a wall to

02:12:45.560 me it's like can you try assuming the worst for a second could you it's so stupid could we

02:12:51.180 conceptualize a future where

02:12:53.220 it's not just the

02:12:54.980 dumbest and easiest solution in the world

02:12:57.540 to solve these

02:12:59.380 self-replicating nanobots

02:13:01.120 threatening the universe problem.

02:13:04.340 He talks about this

02:13:05.380 one thing here. I know we've got to get going soon, but it's interesting.

02:13:07.680 He says,

02:13:08.220 Rutgers University computer scientist

02:13:10.920 J. Storr Hall's concept of what's called

02:13:13.320 utility fog.

02:13:15.220 Already sounds horrific, but anyway.

02:13:17.200 Utility fog. Hall's conception starts with a little

02:13:19.280 robot called a foglet,

02:13:20.600 which consists of a human cell-sized device with 12 arms pointing in all directions.

02:13:26.440 At the end of each arm are grippers so that the foglets can grasp onto one another and form larger structures.

02:13:32.420 These nanobots are intelligent and can merge with the computational capacities with each other to create a distributed intelligence.

02:13:40.520 A space filled with foglets is called utility fog and has some interesting properties.

02:13:44.540 First of all, the utility fog goes to a lot of trouble to simulate it not being there.

02:13:49.640 hall describes a detailed scenario that lets a real human being walk through a room filled with

02:13:55.100 trillions of foglets and not notice the thing which again to listeners the show probably sounds

02:14:01.040 horrific yes but it's like yeah we could do that utility fog and that can he doesn't really go into

02:14:08.300 detail what problems this could solve um and he goes into here like i'll just end on this

02:14:16.860 So this is really where the spiritual machine comes in because the title is Age of Spiritual Machines.

02:14:24.000 And what he wants to get to is how this advanced technology could one day get to spirituality, right?

02:14:31.540 So he says, neuroscientists from the University of California at San Diego have found what they call the God module,

02:14:40.400 a tiny locus of nerve cells in the frontal lobe that appears to be activated during religious experience.

02:14:46.040 they discovered this neural machinery while studying epileptic patients who have intense

02:14:50.520 mystical visions. When we can determine the neurological correlates of a variety of

02:14:58.120 spiritual experiences that our species is capable of, we are able to enhance these experiences in

02:15:03.140 the same way. 21st century machines, based on the design of human thinking, will do as our human

02:15:09.860 progenitors have done, going to real virtual houses of worship, meditating, praying, and

02:15:14.940 transcending to connect with their spiritual dimension and and that's where he kind of loses

02:15:19.360 me so he's like you know 21st century machines based on human thinking will obviously have

02:15:25.040 machine houses of worship but why you know i mean i i kind of see where he's going through where if

02:15:31.540 we model them after like if our neural net completely replicates our you know neural

02:15:38.840 pathways maybe but we're almost like the entire idea of exponential growth and change seems to

02:15:45.980 indicate that would very quickly break free from that paradigm right yeah like does a neural net

02:15:54.360 have any conceptualization of tradition or history because that's a big part of religion right and

02:16:00.500 be a connection to your ancestors and the culture it doesn't have any of that so i i guess you're

02:16:05.840 assuming they would just make up a new machine

02:16:08.000 church. This is something you'd

02:16:09.860 see in that video game series, Deus

02:16:11.760 Axe, but that's 0.92

02:16:13.920 written by a bunch of assholes

02:16:15.960 in a room. Probably 0.90

02:16:17.920 a couple of women.

02:16:21.300 Anyway,

02:16:22.180 there's a few

02:16:23.740 predictions in here. Let's go with this. We'll end

02:16:25.900 on this. His

02:16:27.820 predictions for

02:16:30.080 2099.

02:16:33.020 Also, the book

02:16:33.860 is written kind of

02:16:35.680 annoyingly

02:16:36.460 I don't know if this was just the version

02:16:39.680 that I got but between

02:16:41.380 every chapter there's like a

02:16:43.720 dialogue

02:16:44.220 between him and someone else or something

02:16:47.920 and it's written I don't know it's just this

02:16:51.660 like it's talking

02:16:53.700 about the chapter that was just there and one person's

02:16:55.840 writing in all caps

02:16:56.920 and he's almost like riffing and telling jokes

02:16:59.540 I don't know if that was added later

02:17:01.060 but I don't know it's

02:17:03.460 I don't like it, if he was indeed responsible for that.

02:17:08.400 So here's some predictions for, we've got predictions for 2029.

02:17:14.440 Let me just hear.

02:17:18.980 2099, here's his predictions.

02:17:21.880 Human thinking is merging with the world of machine intelligence

02:17:24.840 that the human species initially created.

02:17:27.520 The reverse engineering of the human brain appears to be complete.

02:17:30.440 The hundreds of specialized regions have been fully scanned

02:17:33.300 analyzed and understood. Machine analogs are based on these human modules. Machine-based

02:17:38.740 intelligence is derived entirely from these extended models of human intelligence,

02:17:44.040 claimed to be human, although their brains are not based on carbon-based cellular processes.

02:17:49.660 Even among those human intelligences still using carbon-based neurons, there is ubiquitous use of

02:17:55.080 neural implant technology. There's a plethora of trends that we can already taste and feel in

02:17:59.960 2099 that will continue to accelerate in this coming 22nd century interacting with each other

02:18:06.240 and then it actually cuts to this like dumb dialogue he does it he interrupts his own chapter

02:18:11.100 there uh but anyway he's saying by 2099 we are living in the transhumanist future uh we do have

02:18:17.660 the artificial intelligence becomes more human i think if we if we want to end on that maybe this

02:18:25.540 is the the real you know premise that i disagree with which is that as technology as technology

02:18:33.260 advances it becomes more human i think it becomes something post-human and that just seems obvious

02:18:39.520 to me um it takes a lot of chains to to contain technology into something that humans can

02:18:48.900 interface with even our experiments in artificial intelligence now seem to very quickly go beyond

02:18:54.200 our control and surprise us you know we're we're now routinely surprised by our own technology you

02:18:59.600 hear the ai guys talk about this all the time like we weren't expecting it to advance this fast 0.97

02:19:03.580 that's not good it's not good when inventors are surprised by their inventions so regularly

02:19:08.720 that almost sounds like you're losing control already or like i was saying earlier the number

02:19:13.200 of technologies that these guys think have been a huge success and then if you look at demographically

02:19:18.320 and economically what's happened since the second world war i mean you could say that in some cases

02:19:23.700 people have been made more wealthy and some people have been made more healthy but the vast

02:19:27.680 majority of people aside from if you know you could say some africans are have less poverty

02:19:32.900 right but we actually have a greater you know divide between rich and poor than the great

02:19:37.240 depression um and we have you know we're on the cusp of a third world war so i i don't see that

02:19:42.140 technology has really helped that much certainly i think as a as a white north american i think

02:19:47.340 that this technology has been hugely damaging to our society to our culture to our faith so i mean

02:19:53.200 And I don't see them addressing that.

02:19:55.400 I was going to say it's really audacious, too.

02:19:58.240 Like you mentioned, the way that he sells this.

02:20:00.980 This is like a sales pitch, right?

02:20:02.420 He's mentioning all of the good and none of the bad.

02:20:05.900 And not only just mentioning all of the good, but he's framing it in like a rhetorical.

02:20:10.480 He's using a little story about him telling jokes with his buddy.

02:20:14.100 He's rhetorically framing it in terms of scenes that a human reader would like.

02:20:19.900 Like he's selling this.

02:20:21.220 You know what I mean?

02:20:21.740 it's very it's very dishonest in my opinion yeah and let me just summarize it again by saying like

02:20:27.560 i don't think he was necessarily wrong about any of his predictions i don't think a lot of the

02:20:33.600 stuff in the beginning of the book is incorrect his mathematical models seem sound um a lot of

02:20:39.940 his logic tracks um i just think like with a lot of the acceleration is i disagree with utopianism

02:20:46.980 there um and i i disagree with when they start making their predictions they get into sort of

02:20:53.720 science fiction fantasy type stuff like this book you can tell was an inspiration to that

02:20:59.500 deus ex game franchise because you know he's talking about 29.9 there's gonna be a political

02:21:05.820 rift between augmented humans and regular humans you know so you get into you know very sci-fi

02:21:14.220 type stuff when you get into this but i think you could spend too long in that you can spend too

02:21:19.140 long imagining you know what what the political ramifications of transhumanism are but i'm like

02:21:25.240 i don't think your forecasts are going to be as nuanced as they they should be to be accurate

02:21:31.260 you know i mean just like like we're talking about vr earlier like vr it's going to be

02:21:35.500 represent our world but better like that's going to be a stranger hybrid than you're thinking

02:21:41.720 you're not going to be able to see it coming 0.75

02:21:44.500 because it's not even the technology that dictates

02:21:46.800 what the technology will be

02:21:48.760 like he said in his own

02:21:49.900 chain of sequences of innovation

02:21:52.360 at a certain point

02:21:53.400 the inventor

02:21:56.080 or the originator of the technology

02:21:57.880 loses control and then the technology itself

02:21:59.900 loses control

02:22:00.640 it becomes this synthesized thing with the culture

02:22:03.440 where the culture dictates what it is

02:22:05.300 and then it dies

02:22:06.080 and then the culture almost has the trauma

02:22:09.360 of that technological experience

02:22:12.020 that it carries into the next technology too.

02:22:14.880 I guess that's what I was talking about earlier

02:22:16.560 with what would happen in the collapse.

02:22:19.900 Like, is there a floor we can't fall through

02:22:21.720 where the, I'm using the word trauma here

02:22:24.060 just as a word to use,

02:22:25.520 but the trauma of us having innovated this far,

02:22:28.380 will we try and reclaim that as fast as possible

02:22:31.900 or however we can?

02:22:33.960 Anyway, this is all just speculation.

02:22:36.020 Anyway, it's a very, very speculative book.

02:22:37.840 the heart of the book is can machines achieve something like religious epiphanies um i think

02:22:46.200 that's probably the wrong question to ask but it is achievable if you view religious experience

02:22:52.140 and religion itself is just you know a the firing of certain neurons to make you feel certain things

02:22:58.620 that you could trigger with drugs or whatever you know so yeah you can give machines drugs i'm sure

02:23:04.080 to make them hear voices but is that what religion is well it might be to someone like Ray Kurzweil

02:23:10.020 but you know this is the stuff they would debate a lot in the early 2000s but anyway I know we

02:23:15.340 gotta get going now um what do you think of that I think you've probably summarized it already but

02:23:19.480 yeah yeah no I mean it's definitely important stuff to talk about I think everybody should

02:23:23.680 read a bit of Ray Kurzweil because it does it touches like the the heart of what a lot of these

02:23:28.240 tech futurist guys are going at he's like a god to them so it's worth knowing that's the thing

02:23:32.780 this is the bedrock that a lot of this stuff is built on.

02:23:36.000 And like I was talking before about a high precision,

02:23:38.140 like there's a great many people who I think read his work and love his work

02:23:42.700 and are trying with the backing of billions of dollars of capital to realize

02:23:48.580 it. So even if you, you or the listener don't like Ray Kurzweil,

02:23:53.600 there's a lot of people who do, who are trying to make this a reality.

02:23:57.840 So become familiar with it. Anyway, I'll let you go.

02:24:01.900 I'll talk to you later.

02:24:02.780 Cool. Good one. See ya.

02:24:19.460 And I'm going to ask you straight up, because I have a feeling I've been getting this wrong the entire time.

02:24:26.720 Your name, how do I pronounce it? I've been pronouncing it Aether.

02:24:30.180 yeah that's typically how i like it would i think it would be pronounced like technically

02:24:35.280 ether a third doesn't really matter but i think it is a third like for like properly

02:24:39.500 okay i was hoping it wasn't it wasn't something like oh it's pronounced

02:24:43.220 okay no no yeah that that that i know in norwegian that the a and e together like that is like a just

02:24:52.900 an a sound um and i think it's the same in old english yeah and i'll take your word for it for

02:25:00.560 now you're going to be aether and i'm here with aether who is a representing noise right records

02:25:08.800 um and i've been following you and noise like records for quite some time and i say this with

02:25:15.680 full confidence and right from the heart i'm a massive fan of your work we don't talk about

02:25:21.280 music too too much on the show but uh i started tuning into your uh podcast which you run which

02:25:28.680 is called aether call you can find that on youtube and and a few other places i believe

02:25:33.160 where you're just doing live mixes of stuff and um i kind of i go in and out of electronic music

02:25:39.620 over the course of my life and that's primarily what i'll just ask you primarily would you say

02:25:44.640 what you do is electronic music not edm specifically but how would you describe it um so first off i

02:25:52.240 appreciate you uh for bringing me on and everything um but yeah uh so i do all different kinds of

02:25:58.420 stuff um we we kind of just try and stay uh like post genre as a label i guess you could say um so

02:26:04.820 we're not really like tied down to anything in particular i have uh like a house project uh i've

02:26:10.500 got like an idm project i've done some vaporwave um on the label uh jungle uh drum and bass i'm

02:26:17.660 working on an ebm project which is kind of like uh it's called electric body music uh it's basically

02:26:23.260 just like uh kind of like industrial type type dance music um filmmaker is a good place to look

02:26:31.000 for something like that or uh uh su singh or uh like giant swan or something like that

02:26:37.340 giant swine because i what i'm hoping for is that over the course of conversation

02:26:42.340 we get a few more names out there because like i said before i don't really talk about music a lot

02:26:48.340 on the show but it's something i have a deep passion for um and i've got quite a bit of

02:26:53.620 electronic music that i've accumulated over the years um even more recently i don't know i was i

02:26:59.100 was looking for something i could never find and i kind of found it with noise right but i was

02:27:02.600 listening to the soundtrack to this game called ultra kill and there's this uh a musician who did

02:27:10.160 like the theme song he's called uh mega neko or mega nico and like one of the titles of the songs

02:27:16.920 was infinite hyper death and i love that title it's it's like it's it's schizophrenic it's a

02:27:23.360 break yeah that's a great title it's kinetic it's energetic and i'm like i couldn't find anything

02:27:28.880 that had that sort of energy i didn't know what to call it and then i found it in you but you also

02:27:33.380 on your roster of artists so you got a few artists on there golden gates nano side was one that i was

02:27:39.340 listening to and that would be more like dark ambient would that be a correct way to describe

02:27:44.000 it yeah yeah he definitely like i um i think it was tony before we started he he does like all

02:27:50.120 analog stuff too so he's got all kinds of reel-to-reel setups like a bunch of weird shit

02:27:55.100 um he's always messing with something new he he usually um he's got a youtube channel as well

02:27:59.900 he'll like uh just mess with gear like do kind of kind of reviews for it but just kind of mess

02:28:06.780 around with gear he gets and stuff like that um but yeah it is like a more dark ambient type sound

02:28:12.780 um and it's funny enough that you listen to him because he also is a pretty big radio head fan

02:28:18.080 man after my own heart it probably came out of the same space because when i would hear

02:28:23.900 about Aphex Twin you know when I was young in high school Aphex Twin was really ramping up

02:28:30.660 in popularity and that was the mythology building around him that he was just this hoarder of old

02:28:36.200 analog electronic music machine he would generate these sounds and he would like hand craft it

02:28:42.140 and you know that I don't know how true it is I assume it is but I always had a deep appreciation

02:28:47.060 for people who just weren't you know because i when i try my hand at edm music any like i was

02:28:53.960 the guy i was like oh any asshole could do this and i i made like the like boilerplate

02:28:58.280 bullshit type of music but for the people like get their hands dirty and like connecting wires 0.59

02:29:05.520 weirdly to machines like i think that's the coolest shit yeah we're all definitely uh big 0.54

02:29:10.680 richard d james respecters yeah you mentioned i you mentioned a genre there called idm now my

02:29:18.680 understanding with it because i always liked that genre of music but it was the most pretentious

02:29:23.060 i think it stood for intelligent dance music is that true yeah well you know whatever that really

02:29:29.620 means i just i as far as i'm i was always concerned though it just like i guess you

02:29:35.920 could call it more intelligent but like more or less i liked shit that wasn't boring you know i

02:29:40.000 mean like no matter what i listen to like that that's always what i like i want to find the most

02:29:44.200 interesting form of that style of music or you know what i mean so like when i was seeking out

02:29:48.400 different kinds of like ed and like listening to like early on that definitely was one that

02:29:54.040 i i listened to a lot for sure yeah you're a millennial like i am and i don't think our

02:30:00.220 generation gets enough credit for really pioneering scaring the hose and you know the

02:30:06.720 Apex Twin, that's classic

02:30:08.560 scare-in-the-hose music, and I love it.

02:30:11.420 I was actually joking

02:30:12.740 with my fiancée, kind of half-heartedly,

02:30:15.560 that since I'm doing

02:30:16.880 the music for our wedding, I want to do

02:30:18.800 I'm just going to put on

02:30:20.500 Selected Ambien Works Volume 1

02:30:22.440 for the entire wedding.

02:30:24.700 And just look like you're really into it. Here's what you do.

02:30:26.500 You put that on the speakers, but then you're also wearing

02:30:28.680 giant headphones and nod along

02:30:30.860 to it. Like, does he listen to this or something else?

02:30:32.740 Or what the fuck is he doing?

02:30:34.620 Yeah.

02:30:34.980 and i wanted to know a bit about um because you like i said you have a roster of projects and

02:30:42.780 individuals that you're working with and i wanted to maybe start with your story of how you got to

02:30:49.160 this place because it's not easy getting a label going it's not easy getting a bunch of people

02:30:53.800 together and and getting all of the the media together and if you check your their youtube

02:30:58.480 page check noiserike.com and there you can find the youtube page as well you've got music videos

02:31:03.720 you got visualizers it's no easy feat and i was just wondering if you could share the story of

02:31:09.120 how you got here what inspired you and and basically your story uh so basically i i'd

02:31:19.220 always like done music i'll try and cut you know like my my my early my wikipedia early life down

02:31:25.700 short here um but yeah essentially i've always been pretty much in the music i've been in punk

02:31:31.920 bands i've been in metal bands um i mentioned too that i used to travel i used i rode freight

02:31:35.760 trains for like a little bit before i had kids um so i've done like the acoustic folk thing i've

02:31:40.340 been in like jug bands i've done bluegrass i've done like all kinds of different shit um and

02:31:47.240 you know like ultimately like after years and years just messing around so many things i really

02:31:52.000 like got in the groove of making stuff like electronically because it's like you can just

02:31:58.360 sit down and do it you know i mean you don't need to get together a band and like figure all this

02:32:02.160 shit out like and and you don't have to make like like you're uh saying like stock music you know i 0.88

02:32:07.160 mean like you can you can nowadays you can make black metal with a fucking daw i'm not saying 0.88

02:32:13.120 like maybe i'm not saying you should right like but you could like um so just like i don't know 0.83

02:32:20.340 the idea of just being able to like sit down and make something myself like is it was fantastic so

02:32:27.260 i kind of started there um but yeah i mean like i've always listened to electronic music uh you

02:32:32.640 know probably when i was younger more housey type stuff i remember like being like 14 or 15 like

02:32:39.080 you know like regular punk kid like studded vests and all that shit like spiky hair

02:32:43.420 but i would still like on the side listen to bass hunter i don't know if you're familiar

02:32:48.400 yeah yeah i know i know like uh but yeah like so i've always just like had a thing for electronic

02:32:54.860 music i don't know what it is something about the feeling i don't know depending on the music

02:32:58.500 obviously but but um yeah so i essentially you know after uh you know so many years of not

02:33:07.780 really doing anything uh

02:33:12.860 like musically like uh publicly i kind of just was like you know what i'm just gonna 0.80

02:33:19.980 fuck around and go i i sorry for that long pause you can completely cut that out by the way i'm

02:33:23.780 live recording so that that makes that easy i wanted to also know uh while we're on this um 0.90

02:33:30.880 thread you had mentioned you know everything from jug bands to punk bands i was wondering how

02:33:37.060 electronic music might compare to that or do you use anything that

02:33:40.860 you learned in those types of music in your current music um i mean to an extent i mean like

02:33:48.180 so i never like learned like music formally or anything i like i years and years ago i would

02:33:54.860 just go to like libraries and check out like music theory books so a lot of that stuff i like

02:33:59.540 taught myself but like i mean it all relates no matter what you're playing no matter what

02:34:04.180 instrument you're playing what's interesting is that for speaking for myself but also many others

02:34:11.560 because you know we used to know a lot of ravers back when we were in our early 20s and hung went

02:34:17.400 to raves a lot went to more electronic music shows i found that there were so many electronic

02:34:22.240 music artists and fans that came from other genres it was very rare for me to meet someone who like

02:34:27.860 exclusively listen electronic music but you would find people who only listen to hip-hop all the

02:34:32.700 time or people who only listen to rock or country all the time but electronic there was always an

02:34:37.980 interesting pathway that led people there that's why i was latching on to that sort of story

02:34:43.260 um and why and how electronic music kind of became after a long trial the final thing you're

02:34:51.000 interested in and i was just wondering is there anything about it that i guess that speaks to you

02:34:55.260 because we would have kind of come up around the same time and for me you know it was the first

02:34:59.720 time you hear sandstorm by darude you know a fucking fire kicks off in you oh oh yeah for 0.70

02:35:06.340 sure dude like i remember even like being a kid at the skating rink and hearing those classic 90s 0.89

02:35:10.660 bangers you know what i mean from like just beyond my age group you know what i mean like the kids

02:35:15.840 were probably raving too hard in the 90s but like they were skating rink music in my my younger

02:35:20.160 days you know what i mean yeah yeah and the interesting thing like honestly and looking back

02:35:26.920 one thing that i noticed uh it's because i'm i am still into hip-hop i'm still into metal but there

02:35:33.240 was something about electronic music that it seemed to be the most culturally relevant in the

02:35:39.480 sense that it was the most exciting and even when i liked metal it always seemed to be kind of stuck

02:35:45.260 in the past and you would have like the last thing would be new metal new metal like uh you know

02:35:50.340 slipknot and and limpisk and stuff but even then like a lot of the metal now i listen to

02:35:54.700 it's metal with electronic elements it's it's absorbed electronic music same thing with hip

02:36:01.360 hop they have survived in so far as they've absorbed what electronic music uh has been

02:36:08.220 developing at seemingly a faster pace so in that sense electronic music seems to be leading the

02:36:14.620 zeitgeist would that be a fair assessment yeah yeah and i'm thinking like i mean like like you

02:36:20.460 said even in metal i mean you look at stuff like like health where it's like noise rock right but

02:36:25.040 like noise rock is still like bordering electronic music now especially now i mean maybe not in the

02:36:31.380 ages maybe not mersbough but like but like you know what i mean yeah i don't even know if we

02:36:36.800 We probably did mention this on the show, but myself and Judas, we went to go see Health late last year in Toronto.

02:36:44.300 And what's so funny about Health, it was interesting because they were completely backlit.

02:36:49.480 I imagine they have a very split fan base.

02:36:52.160 Here's the funny thing.

02:36:53.280 So who opened for them, but Perturbator, who you might know as well.

02:36:58.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:36:58.660 Okay.

02:36:58.860 so again a black metal guy who got into electronic music but it's all like 80s you know almost like

02:37:06.380 john carpenter influence it's fucking amazing i i would say i enjoyed his set more um it was a bit

02:37:12.100 more energetic health is good like the to me the the star of health is their um i think he's their

02:37:18.740 guitarist he's sort of like the the either asian or half asian guy he has a fucking i don't know 0.59

02:37:23.880 you know this he's got a podcast the fucking guy who makes all those crazy sounds you know in a 0.75

02:37:29.260 health song there's that sort of like dissonant like there's like odd sounds in the background 0.85

02:37:33.440 he makes those live on stage analog he'll be playing and then he'll like crouch down to this

02:37:38.580 like gearbox he's got up there and start fucking with knobs and stuff and it makes this weird

02:37:43.320 howling noise in the back it's really cool to see but he's my favorite uh element of the show

02:37:47.860 good show they were just silhouettes though because it was backlit which is you know whatever

02:37:52.920 what's interesting though is like this is what they represented uh in a sense was sort of the

02:37:58.900 convergence of these genres because before they went on after perturbator you know there's the

02:38:04.800 little intermission the song that plays right before the lights went down was the neon genesis

02:38:12.200 evangelion theme because they're they're anime guys yeah so but it's like they're internet guys

02:38:19.780 so it's like what are they into they're all wearing black metal t-shirts but they're into

02:38:24.460 anime like ironically but also genuinely plus they're into electronic music but

02:38:29.760 yeah the internet sort of thing is like the mash of all those things into one and the lead singer

02:38:35.820 of health he's out there talking about like he's a punk guy he's just he was into like fucking uh 0.97

02:38:41.800 dead kennedys and shit so everyone kind of converged on this one kind of new type of genre

02:38:47.640 which is like dark electronic plus metal that's what you're seeing a lot of these days and 0.78

02:38:53.160 maybe even like a hip-hop influence but not really yeah only as far as they've they've

02:38:58.420 collaborated with hip-hop artists right yeah yeah and um hearing them talk about it like they are a

02:39:05.300 um a studio band first and i remember i watched an interview with them and uh trent reznor does

02:39:11.940 this too where they they really finely craft and tune their music in the studio that they need to

02:39:17.620 figure out how to do it live and they're good at it now but like you know it's layers upon layers

02:39:23.120 upon layers of all this weird stuff yeah it doesn't really make sense to do it live and because

02:39:28.100 you can't just have like a dj up there press play you got to make it and so they had to learn that

02:39:33.160 and their latest album is probably the most metal one they've done i like it a bit less than death

02:39:40.100 magic death magic i think it was better but the new one rat wars is pretty good i've heard a few

02:39:45.980 songs off but i mean i like the the couple volumes of disco yeah their remixes are really

02:39:51.820 interesting because and we were yeah they're all remixes right yeah crystal castles back in the

02:39:56.220 day that's where i first heard about them because i think that's what got them big that it's weird

02:40:01.420 because um we were in toronto like the cyberpunk ship but i think that was pre that oh and also

02:40:07.320 they did the max pain 3 soundtrack yeah yeah that's right they've done a couple video games

02:40:12.460 they're video game guys yeah which is fucking it's insane if you think about it like health

02:40:18.320 doing the soundtrack to a max pain game it doesn't you wouldn't think it would work but it works

02:40:23.680 perfectly because if you play that game the soundtrack just sticks with you it's it's

02:40:28.260 incredible but um yes we were into crystal castles before their even first album dropped because we

02:40:34.760 were just in the city at the time and they were just a local band and we would go see them at

02:40:39.880 these like half populated bar shows oh so you saw them like during the the beatings yeah 0.59

02:40:47.560 this is the story like this is what i've heard it's fucked up it's weird because that's the guy

02:40:55.400 yeah well and we kind of watch them become big then you start watching them play festivals then 0.82

02:41:00.620 we can't afford to see them anymore but it was like this like weird trippy noise electronic

02:41:06.480 shit and we didn't hear anything like it before um but then they broke up because

02:41:11.380 yeah and alice um you know if you knew anything about them you'd probably see it coming because

02:41:18.100 he looked kind of like you know kind of look like a creepy guy but she was big into like

02:41:22.620 she's kind of a social justice anarchist and so i'm like this is bound to blow up and she's very 0.57

02:41:29.160 apparently he said he met her when she was like 16 and she was a runaway living in like a fucking

02:41:35.880 yeah crack house or something and i'm like first of all and he was in his 20s i'm like that is 0.54

02:41:41.560 weird that you would just like adopt her but also that is a very clearly mentally unstable

02:41:47.920 individual like this is just even if there is no abuse happening this is going to blow up at some

02:41:53.140 point yeah yeah like you have no business doing that guy yeah i mean you can find any girl to

02:42:00.840 like scream like a freak you can find you know i did find you after she left that's exactly what

02:42:06.540 he found just another moody art chick and then they did an album i think and then they stopped

02:42:13.420 but um yeah i don't know i really like that type of music and it seems like that to me sounds like

02:42:22.100 a distinctly millennial type of sound kind of glitchy kind of dark electronic but it also

02:42:29.120 i don't know extremely nihilistic too because health is extremely nihilistic even though

02:42:33.940 sometimes it sounds happy i'm trying to figure out like what separates that from maybe something

02:42:40.620 like the prodigy and maybe i'm getting a bit too well the prodigy is the fire starter yeah

02:42:47.080 i still listen to them too i i have i have not listened to them in a long time they are they

02:42:52.860 are ridiculous though i don't like something i'm like going out of my way to listen to but 0.89

02:42:58.700 if someone like throws on fire starter or like smash my bitch up i'm not going to turn it off 0.88

02:43:02.820 they got this one song um a song that i really did called the day is my enemy it's got this like 0.76

02:43:09.980 really cool drums and i checked that out uh the day is my i mean they had like a couple songs

02:43:15.540 up for the last few albums that were all really good um there's one called no tourists that's

02:43:21.180 pretty cool too i mean honestly they got a they got away with releasing an album called invaders

02:43:26.160 must die at a time when we still were talking about like mass migration and shit and i'm like

02:43:33.320 there's almost no other way to interpret that and so and what in the uk yeah so people look

02:43:39.100 up the song invaders must die it's actually a really cool song i listen to it all the time

02:43:42.660 it's not overtly political but it seems strange that it wouldn't be i don't know 0.97

02:43:50.080 yeah i mean seriously the guy is with like a bihawk yeah well that guy died too uh keith i think his 0.85

02:43:58.500 name was so weird didn't you shave his eyebrows and shit too oh yeah he was just a relic from 0.88

02:44:04.720 like that early 90s yeah when that type of music was the popular music like like that like techno 0.67

02:44:11.500 was like the the regular popular music back when having a green mohawk meant something 0.51

02:44:17.960 now it's just for fucking 0.99

02:44:20.500 broads

02:44:22.340 Billie Eilish took that whole style

02:44:26.420 from us

02:44:27.080 it's interesting

02:44:30.580 watching the development of electronic

02:44:32.600 music anyway so

02:44:33.880 I guess I just wanted

02:44:36.560 to know one thing you had mentioned there

02:44:38.580 and you don't need to spend

02:44:40.400 too too long on this if you don't want to

02:44:42.220 but you briefly mentioned riding around

02:44:44.620 on boxcars and before I forget

02:44:46.420 i just want to know do you have any riding around a boxcar stories uh so not so like really boxcars

02:44:54.140 are like the rarest like you typically don't find like an open boxcar chill in there and if you do

02:45:00.360 it's probably like in a train yard um but i mean i don't know stories off my i almost okay so like

02:45:07.200 there's one time uh i was i think i was going from like alabama to florida on a bnsf right

02:45:16.360 or i was attempting to i was really drunk and i was like attempting to like hop this thing on the 0.92

02:45:21.820 fly and missed and landed parallel to the train while i was running like almost lost my fucking 0.70

02:45:28.340 legs it was pretty nuts um i don't know that's a crazy one so i did just for the thrill of the 0.82

02:45:36.420 like an hour later is it just like the thrill of the lifestyle and that you just wanted to do it

02:45:40.780 or was there any other driving force there?

02:45:43.760 I don't know.

02:45:44.120 I guess I would hesitate to call myself ever left-wing,

02:45:48.340 but I was more like an anarchist, right?

02:45:49.880 Back in the day, I grew up listening to punk rock and shit.

02:45:53.980 I always wanted to travel at some point or just backpack or whatever.

02:45:59.580 I had met a few kids who had heard about some of the things they had done

02:46:06.040 and just wanted to do it.

02:46:08.780 so just like left one day i always wanted to do something like that i had a friend

02:46:14.660 um back uh when i was working at this um this place working nights and he was a real character

02:46:21.500 he was sort of like a holden caulfield from a catcher in the rye this kind of guy smoking

02:46:27.240 cigarettes weren't big coats he's all into poetry he's all about fighting a man he was older than

02:46:32.840 me too he's in his mid-20s i would have been like 18 17 but i'm like yeah this guy's so cool

02:46:37.820 or smoking cigarettes and he would tell me about how he would like hitchhike across canada and

02:46:44.380 there's a lot of highway in canada and a whole lot of nothing a whole lot of forest a whole lot of

02:46:48.940 wasteland and you know me at the time maybe even now i'd say well well you know hitchhiking just

02:46:56.420 with truckers and then well do they ever ask you for any payment is this an ass cash or grass

02:47:03.800 situation and he said yeah a couple times like the guys so i don't hitchhike bro he said you'll

02:47:10.720 make an advance he has to carry knife on him like back off man yeah you won't have weapons if you're 0.80

02:47:15.920 fucking homeless slipping but then i'm also thinking like i never asked him but i always 0.83

02:47:21.780 wanted to and and i'll never get a chance but i'm like so what are the next 10 minutes after that 0.80

02:47:26.420 look like like a guy tries to i don't know like advance on you and then you just kind of both

02:47:32.720 sitting there to get out to keep driving what is that it's a curb your enthusiasm situation like

02:47:39.200 what's the next it's a very Larry you start talking about some you start talking about some

02:47:43.640 other shit I don't know um yeah so so what sort of music are you into right now what what would

02:47:51.780 you say you take inspiration from oh man I listen all kinds of shit like all the time like I listen

02:47:57.860 a lot of bossa nova i'm gonna be real really let me look that up i actually don't know that one

02:48:04.220 hold on uh like just like uh like brazilian fucking jazz like that's interesting i'm gonna 0.77

02:48:14.300 like cry i'm gonna probably butcher these names i'm not spanish like tom jobin uh stan getz he's 0.92

02:48:18.960 not asian but or asian he's not brazilian but he went down there and did like a bunch of albums

02:48:23.100 um yeah he's also not asian he's he is also not asian that's true so that is a cute thing you

02:48:30.840 said but uh but yeah i like a lot of bossa nova i listen to that a good amount i wouldn't say it's

02:48:38.320 older most listen to it but like because you are you're a father and you're as you age you find

02:48:45.500 that your music preference has changed to you know because if that's more latin jazz and things

02:48:51.700 like that have you found that your taste music's altered as you age uh kind of they kind of like

02:48:58.940 i don't know i feel like that yeah they're kind of always like expanding i guess you would say

02:49:04.420 because i will go back and listen to stuff i used to listen to sometimes you know i mean like

02:49:08.500 i just listen to more of other things other times i guess i don't know

02:49:12.440 i guess like you said kind of as you get older it's just your taste and stuff change in general

02:49:16.580 now i have a question about noise right records so this we would call this a record label a proper

02:49:24.780 with a roster of artists and i was wondering being a part of this scene whatever you want

02:49:32.060 to call it the dissident right have you noticed any difficulties in getting the music out there

02:49:39.640 And I guess this could even be a broad question, because my interest is in how digital music propagates, because my reference point might be the era of the SoundCloud rapper.

02:49:51.740 When SoundCloud first arrived, there's a lot of people who made their careers on SoundCloud.

02:49:56.000 Now you can't really. The whole environment's changed. Too many people are doing it.

02:50:01.180 And I'm just curious if within this independent music scene, how have you found it?

02:50:07.220 How's your journey been so far?

02:50:09.640 so it seems like people are still doing like rappers anyway are still doing the soundcloud

02:50:17.300 thing or like attempting to do the soundcloud thing but yeah like you said that kind of died

02:50:21.860 off um yeah i don't i don't really know i kind of just try i feel like most uh of the promotion

02:50:30.860 goes out on telegram uh i do a lot of uh there's like a lot of places you can submit

02:50:40.380 music to get on playlists so i try and get in there certain places uh like depending on the

02:50:46.380 music um and i've had like some results from that like getting on playlists like bigger playlists

02:50:51.340 and stuff and uh i've had a few places like write uh articles uh like for like whatever

02:50:59.900 blog they're doing you know i mean however many views that shit gets but like i don't know i've

02:51:04.300 just been trying to find different ways to promote because it is i don't know it is it is kind of

02:51:11.000 crazy now one of if looking at uh the projects you've worked on you know you gave me one example

02:51:17.860 on the noise right list here there's a an artist called zero one zero zero one zero zero one which

02:51:23.920 is kind of experiment you and your guys are running for like explain that to me with artificial

02:51:29.800 intelligence or something like that uh yeah so that was like something we started like right on

02:51:35.780 the cusp i think it was like like a few years before gpt like first popped up um and then you

02:51:43.160 know once that came out i started thinking like all right so this this is eventually going to be

02:51:47.220 a thing but so i haven't really messed with it in too much uh time but like we we kind of it's

02:51:53.220 like an amalgamation of like a lot of our stuff kind of mixed and rearranged like in our own like

02:51:58.960 little proprietary way you know we attempted to do like an ai thing before that was like really

02:52:05.060 possible uh so i mean now there is a lot of like generative music ais so we might pick up that

02:52:13.460 again and like mess with it and see what we can do like and we don't the thing is i don't want to

02:52:19.280 just like have a place create ai music and then like okay that's what it is like i gotta like

02:52:26.200 then further mess with it right like i gotta do something to make it like ours you know what i

02:52:30.840 mean so like exactly exactly like figure out ways to work that if you could explain it a bit because

02:52:36.960 i don't create music i do some audio editing obviously with this show but how could you

02:52:41.880 imagine incorporating actual ai into the creation of the music uh so like these things are right

02:52:48.920 whole tracks for you right like depending like the shit that's out now um like depending on

02:52:54.120 whatever kind of music genre, whatever the fuck you can literally do type in

02:52:57.480 words and like, it'll like create a song for you. Um, it's like stock music

02:53:02.500 makers are like the TFO with these things. Um, but like,

02:53:07.800 just like all the stock photo people, like, I don't know what shutter stock is

02:53:11.920 going to do. Yeah. Uh, they've been picking up AI pictures actually. Um,

02:53:17.600 I've noticed that they'll try, they'll do AI,

02:53:20.180 but it's almost like they want it to look like it's AI. Like they have an,

02:53:23.760 an investment in saying like no this is ai because it looks cartoony but then there's for sure over

02:53:29.440 here like you could just make it make real stuff too i think they're like almost afraid to put

02:53:34.140 those people out of business yeah uh they'll get there though oh yes so yeah for sure so based off

02:53:42.180 what i just said traditionally with a lot of musicians you know they would say that they

02:53:47.980 want to get into music because their goal is to play live shows go on tour sell cds sell merch

02:53:54.580 things like that um and i was wondering based given the way you came up the way you produce

02:54:00.360 your music is that the pathway and would that would your story kind of be similar to other

02:54:05.060 people in the space do people even want to do the live tour circuit festival thing anymore

02:54:11.320 um so i mean i did i did a lot of like playing music live obviously like when i when i did other

02:54:17.720 kinds of music and stuff um and being right now um that we're also on the label anyway we're also

02:54:24.120 disparate we're like in different parts of the u.s uh well actually not only the u.s uh we have

02:54:30.420 one guy down in argentina um and uh we have another guy in canada as well um but yeah like

02:54:40.280 uh being that we're so far apart it is hard to plan things like that um like now like we've

02:54:45.760 been kind of like shooting the shit about this i'm like figuring something out i i because i've

02:54:49.660 definitely like looked into uh you know booking shows in their area type thing but uh and and

02:54:57.680 nanoside has gone and done some live stuff he played uh there's like a synth store like by

02:55:04.740 where he lives the he's gone and played a few times um but uh yeah i wouldn't say it's like

02:55:12.440 a major goal at this moment in time um but yeah i mean it wouldn't it'd be kind of cool

02:55:18.280 yeah because when i look at noise right it seems like some other like hip-hop collectives i've

02:55:24.640 seen before where it's a collective of creative minds working together and i was just interested

02:55:29.440 in the sorts of projects that you might come up with because you know hit when i look at hip-hop

02:55:35.480 it's a lot of the same stuff over and over again it's like we're going to start a collective and

02:55:38.960 then we're going to start a festival and we're going to start a streetwear company and it follows

02:55:43.360 the exact same template and with i'm george planton business basically yeah exactly i was

02:55:49.440 wondering if for the type of music a type of interesting minds that are behind it are there

02:55:54.340 any and this is kind of a strange question but any types of projects that you're thinking of

02:56:00.920 or stuff that makes you intrigued that are far and away from everything that's been done musically

02:56:06.420 before so it's not just another like a merch company it's not just uh you know the familiar

02:56:11.220 i mean we are right now we're mainly trying to just focus on making like quality music for the

02:56:19.320 sake of making the music like we don't have like an ultimate goal of becoming like a merch company

02:56:23.660 or something like that uh we've kind of like talked about uh doing our maybe our own sort

02:56:29.800 a festival thing one day like but i mean it would it's a lot of planning and a lot a lot of

02:56:36.280 promotions and a lot of work uh when you can just put out music online right but um yeah

02:56:41.980 because on your site it also says that you're seeking two new artists for your label and so

02:56:53.020 i guess that was going to lead into that what sort of artists would you be looking for uh over

02:56:58.300 at noise right um so yeah like uh we're definitely for the most part always kind of like if people

02:57:06.840 want to hit us up that's like a lot of a few of the guys like have uh aside from nanoside who

02:57:11.120 had known prior to doing anything um at least through online and uh but again most of the

02:57:18.180 people who have gotten contact with me uh and submitted stuff like uh that's that's pretty much

02:57:25.380 how they've they've like gotten on the label in general um but yeah like i'm not like i've said

02:57:31.240 before we're kind of just like post-genre with the label so we're not necessarily worried about

02:57:35.400 tying it down to like it needs to be edm you know what i mean like uh

02:57:40.960 signum today for instance he also does like some some cool ambient stuff um it's like uh i don't

02:57:48.500 he calls it like a catholic noir um it's it's it's really good stuff um and it's like i said

02:57:55.080 it's more ambient um so so uh not like upbeat like music obviously um and we we even have like

02:58:03.940 a dude who has like an acoustic album um i guess it's more uh just fitting like the vibe of what

02:58:13.560 we do more or less i mean we're not like i said we're not really necessarily trying to tie it

02:58:17.840 down to one thing or make it all sound the same like we want it to be as different as possible

02:58:22.980 what i found so interesting about noise right um and you touched on it just there it's that

02:58:29.520 nothing seems overtly political now you know i'm sure we would have a lot of the same politics in

02:58:37.520 common a lot of the same ideological leanings and as many of your other roster might or they might

02:58:43.420 not but there's nothing about it that screams aside from the name but you'd mentioned it's

02:58:47.520 kind of like a tongue-in-cheek name there's nothing like overtly right wing about it other

02:58:53.360 than you i think you had made a good point at the top which is it's not about what you say it's kind

02:58:58.680 of about what you don't say something like that yeah so i mean essentially i i just like uh the

02:59:05.880 germans have a way with words right like like hegel's geist right like it doesn't just mean

02:59:10.240 spirit it means like a whole bunch of things right like so like same with reich you know i

02:59:14.420 mean doesn't it doesn't just like apply to germans in world war ii you know i mean it's like a whole

02:59:19.100 spirit of an empire type thing like a like a wave if you will you know what i mean so like that's

02:59:25.560 kind of the angle i came at it from and obviously knowing that would be kind of tongue in cheek i

02:59:29.860 and using the the the kind of like uh greco-roman aesthetic you know kind of uh in the like in the

02:59:38.800 logo because i was the one who did the uh pretty i do pretty much all the art i would say like

02:59:44.480 most of it there's like that's why i'm gonna ask you who was in charge of all that because

02:59:49.600 i actually like it quite a bit yeah i unfortunately i do a lot of everything

02:59:54.220 it's pretty much all on me at this point we have no stuff

02:59:57.520 hey neither does this show and we're doing all right so 0.88

03:00:02.160 fuck all these people with like three producers for their podcast i see them out there they're 0.96

03:00:07.780 not doing nothing you don't need a guy just to watch the fucking chat yeah you just what you 0.93

03:00:13.300 should be doing is ignoring you just ignore the chat hell yeah exactly and um but like that's what 0.94

03:00:21.560 it was so interesting and there's something that i think you've really got your arms around and i

03:00:25.980 think this is where our scene our sphere is right now which is that it's more of a vibe and less of

03:00:34.360 just explicit this like if you look at this if you get it you get it it doesn't need to be

03:00:40.620 some people might call it a dog whistle but it's not even a dog whistle but it's just like

03:00:44.460 the people who kind of know what you're going for will go for because i think that the the

03:00:49.980 crest of the wave that you're riding is this like sort of new technology and this sort of

03:00:55.800 i don't want to call it dystopianism but it's a sort of technological awareness that i just don't

03:01:00.560 see in any other political realm other than the distant right currently and again i used 0.54

03:01:07.740 distant right very very broadly like you said there's fucking you know catholic shit and there's

03:01:13.640 all kinds of you know pagan stuff in there too german stuff but i i think that it's the vibe 0.74

03:01:18.860 but i think you epitomize and maybe that's the geist that you're talking about you epitomize

03:01:23.400 the geist of this thing without it being like a very like a tired explicit vulgar chanting of what

03:01:31.740 you believe in does that sound fair yeah because realistically it's like that's not necessary 0.70

03:01:37.160 you know what i mean it's more like just like why bitch about the stuff that you can't change 0.50

03:01:43.580 when you can just like i don't know do what you want to do do whatever you want to do pretty much 0.59

03:01:49.020 and one thing that really caught my ear about your music is that it's not punishing it's not

03:01:57.060 dark because a lot of when we create art in our sphere um if you're particularly ideologically

03:02:03.740 possessed you'll probably produce something that's ugly something that's nihilistic and

03:02:08.260 sarcastic and ironic and uh not enjoyable to consume but what i noticed when we listened to

03:02:14.900 your music from the people on your label uh except nanosides can be kind of somber and whatnot but

03:02:21.240 the music it's it's energetic it's fun it's it's it's cool it's it's it's vital you know so it

03:02:28.060 because it seems to have tapped into the vibe rather than just like the depressive nature of

03:02:33.960 the things we talk about i think you know a perennial discussion we have on this side of

03:02:39.540 things it's like how can we make better art how can we make more beautiful art how can we make

03:02:43.560 more like lively things i'm like i think this is it i think you you found a great example of how to 0.75

03:02:50.300 be in this space but make something that isn't just fucking ugly yeah because like i mentioned 0.83

03:02:56.260 uh we had a buddy down in argentina and dude he's a phenomenal fucking like jazz musician 0.92

03:03:02.380 like he is insane on the fucking keys uh he's like down in uh buenos aires but um 0.76

03:03:09.060 so what's his name if you don't mind me asking he's all he's all yeah yeah he's all hyped about 0.92

03:03:13.560 uh actually their their new was it the president down there is out of this

03:03:17.040 so i've actually been meaning to check in with him he says it's going to be good i don't know

03:03:21.180 well that's interesting do you have um within the music i suppose there would be more multi

03:03:27.300 you know international connections this is what i remember from like when i was back on 4chan like

03:03:33.380 this sort of stuff like it always had a big audience in like south america is that true

03:03:38.200 yeah yeah and i definitely got um with him through like the vaporwave scene like okay so like one of

03:03:44.240 my projects uh imaginary friends uh started out as pretty much like a vaporwave project but i

03:03:49.780 wanted to like they want to just slow down 80 songs you know i mean i was getting more into

03:03:54.480 like other weird shit like desert sand feels warm at night and like other other stuff uh like sport

03:04:00.340 3000 and like other weird like slush wavy type shit um so i started kind of there and i i was on

03:04:06.940 vapor realm live like vapor that that vaporwave channel vapor memory used to do like

03:04:13.180 a live thing every so often and like they would host i was on there like a handful of times and

03:04:17.980 he was on there and i like mentioned like did this he did like a this ambient album that's

03:04:22.360 really phenomenal uh and we have it on the label but like uh yeah i've been like just talking to

03:04:28.600 him for a little bit and you know i ended up being kind of friends with him over time and like

03:04:31.760 when i started the label i thought of him like almost immediately

03:04:34.240 so what drove you to create the label originally uh so like initially i i was just releasing a lot

03:04:46.400 of music under a lot of different projects and i kind of wanted to like put it together

03:04:51.740 like make it one thing you know what i mean and it like turning it into one project seemed too hard

03:04:58.200 so i got together with like a few other people i thought might be interested in you know just

03:05:04.220 kind of set up the label so it wouldn't just be me at least but uh nanasad was one of them

03:05:11.960 uh ayler was the other one and i wanted to ask you and we've talked about a lot of genres that

03:05:18.240 you enjoy they touch on even slush wave i have no idea what that is but i have no doubt that it

03:05:23.100 exists i was wondering if there are there any genres of music that you're just kind of done

03:05:27.240 with it's it's like a stupid way to say vaporwave like okay it's like because autists will tell you

03:05:33.760 with something completely different and it i guess it kind of is um so like i don't know like

03:05:38.220 so i guess the easiest way to put it is like so desert sand feels warm at night and makes

03:05:43.880 uh like this like crazy like vapey vaporwave ambient type shit and they're actually what

03:05:51.440 they're actually doing is using dubstep techniques really slow so like that's what would those

03:05:57.160 techniques be because one example of the music i was like people are just kind of done with would

03:06:02.000 be dubstep even though i quite like dubstep i don't listen to that much anymore but they're

03:06:07.200 doing it's like the basement manipulation and stuff but they're doing it so slow that you're

03:06:11.860 not even realizing it's dubstep you know what i mean like they're like they're making like but

03:06:16.180 also uh particularly that artist uh was one of the early people in that genre to like make their

03:06:24.040 own music not like just sample things or just slow things down like he was like actually like

03:06:30.320 creating this music from scratch but it still sounded like it was like that you know what i'm

03:06:35.160 saying yeah yeah but so that did lead me to my next question is which genres of let's say

03:06:42.540 electronic music or any music probably do you just hate or you're just done with or

03:06:46.260 have no interest in getting into i don't know i i can't really think of one off the top of my head

03:06:54.180 like i like a lot of stuff in a lot of different genres and like not in the gay way like i just

03:06:59.320 like everything i like everything rapid country yeah yeah like not like in that way and i and

03:07:07.820 there is some rap in country like you see like the thing is i never i had a few like stages where i

03:07:13.320 went through like listening to rap music like when i was younger but i was like like the way i am i

03:07:17.980 always got into like the weird shit of everything so like i was listening to like hieroglyphics with

03:07:22.300 like del funky homo sapien and shit like that like jurassic five yeah well this is the i got a path 0.56

03:07:30.740 for you right to insane clown posse and there's like a lot of weird hip-hop out there that you

03:07:38.260 know deserves a new set of eyes just like new metal no one really gave new metal a chance

03:07:44.520 juggalos are weird though like i never obviously i never was one but like i knew a couple right like

03:07:52.000 they're they're weird they're like they're always down for like whatever or to like listen to what 0.82

03:07:57.720 they're not gonna judge music like they're they're just like oh that shit i've never heard i want to 0.85

03:08:03.680 listen to that like they're then they're like or like whatever the fuck crazy shit you want to do 0.70

03:08:08.040 like they're always like right there down like ready to go so fun it's funny noticing or discovering

03:08:15.300 rather the hidden juggalos like legitimate juggalos in the room you know because we you know

03:08:22.240 i full disclosure i listened to like nearly every insane clown posse album oh my fiance sister

03:08:28.560 listened to them growing up a whole bunch like i got into it in high school i had friends who

03:08:34.160 were certified juggalos and they kind of got me into it because i was i was into whatever music

03:08:38.320 at the time right and i said this is like nothing i've heard before it's weird they're not particularly

03:08:43.840 good at rapping but they got a sound here that that's pretty i've never heard it before um and

03:08:49.540 i've got into them i got into twisted uh who are better at rapping blaze all these all that whole

03:08:55.520 record label and then it branches off into all the other horror core stuff like king gordy and

03:09:00.620 whatnot um but yeah like it's kind of ironic to be like juggalos to like trade in juggalo memes

03:09:07.520 and then some people will be doing that but then they'll give a reference that i'm like

03:09:11.600 you know a bit too much about you know these albums and it's like no i actually like them

03:09:16.640 i was just being ironic as a defense mechanism

03:09:19.060 yeah i guess i can't say i've ever i've never dabbled in uh juggalo magic

03:09:27.140 there's a lot of bad songs i've been associating them what's that there's a lot of bad songs that

03:09:34.600 they produce too um but the funny thing i've heard a few in passing like for sure i remember

03:09:40.420 there's like a homies homies song i remember hearing that you've actually probably heard the 0.91

03:09:44.960 worst songs because homies sucks and so does that um the one what was it where he talks about magnets 0.97

03:09:52.020 and doesn't know how magnets were miracles i mean that's just like a dumb song that they did but 0.91

03:09:56.900 there's like deep cuts that are every so often i don't want to rep snl but like back in the day

03:10:04.480 snl did a rip on miracles and it was actually pretty funny probably it's it's a dumb song and

03:10:10.380 the video it's that their cgi is not good and they're they've dressed the exact same since when

03:10:16.320 they're 17 so they're wearing like giant jinko shorts you know and it's just like they're a

03:10:23.620 couple of characters um but uh yeah but there's actually good songs out there and there's such 0.97

03:10:31.060 an interesting social phenomena because juggalos as a group like they're almost exclusively white 0.62

03:10:37.340 trash they're supposed to be like anti-redneck like they had made like anti-redneck songs but 0.98

03:10:43.460 like they're all fucking rednecks they're all rule white trash and they're all like smoking 0.99

03:10:47.880 mad yeah but i don't know how you reconcile those two things right well cornrows yeah 0.99

03:10:54.760 that's actually it's all like the lower strata of like white people shit so there's like hippies

03:11:02.060 in there like burned out hippies you're right you're right for sure they have the stoner guys 0.63

03:11:06.980 who aged into just being weird about it like and then guys who are into vinyl records like all like

03:11:12.720 the comic book convention people are also at the gathering of the juggalos well yeah the juggalos

03:11:18.800 went and made their own version of the rainbow gathering dude yeah i don't know if you ever 0.90

03:11:23.500 heard of the rainbow gathering i've been to like a handful of them and it's not like some gay shit 0.86

03:11:26.700 it's like some stupid hippie shit but like it started because the grateful dead but like uh 0.92

03:11:31.660 yeah they basically made their own version of that i got a buddy uh christopher who's obsessed 0.61

03:11:37.160 with the grateful dead yeah i was about to say is this burning man adjacent no it's different 0.68

03:11:40.980 than burning man it's like a whole thing so like the family is the one who runs all the fucking

03:11:45.640 gatherings and like they still deal on like acid from the 60s like all kinds of weird mystical 0.66

03:11:50.180 spooky hippie shit so yeah it's a weird thing yeah it's a weird thing man and like you know

03:11:57.000 you're out you know you're out because you're out there in the woods for months especially if

03:11:59.660 you're like just homeless and traveling like helping them set up and shit like you're out 0.74

03:12:03.080 there for months at a time you know there's fucking serial killers hiding out there not 0.88

03:12:06.740 not to kill people maybe but just hiding out now i would love to you for you to go into that a little 0.78

03:12:12.800 bit yeah well tell me about that tell me about like being in the woods um because you hear about

03:12:19.400 you know how you don't have hobos anymore but how often do the homeless filter into the forest in

03:12:26.060 your opinion uh well are you talking like rainbow gathering or well i guess both because i i don't

03:12:32.660 know much about the rainbow gathering so uh so i haven't been to like a ton of them been to like

03:12:37.600 a handful of them a couple in like ocala i went to a national one in montana that one was really

03:12:42.740 cool actually like it was just like i don't remember what fucking state park it was but it

03:12:46.460 was like up in the mountains it was like badass you'd like wake up and like just be mountains 0.60

03:12:51.040 everywhere but uh but yeah like essentially what it is is they go like at least people who are

03:12:59.560 setting it up will go out like monthly you get like different there's each people formed like

03:13:03.560 their own camp and shit and they like some people bring out there's kitchens and shit like that and

03:13:08.300 i'm sure they're using a lot of food stamps to buy a lot of things and uh but yeah like that like 0.99

03:13:14.980 all krishnas show out there frequently i've met a lot of krishnas through through doing that 1.00

03:13:19.960 they're still around they're still around they're weird guys man they'll be out there like just not 0.56

03:13:25.160 even fucked up on acid or anything just like hanging out like eating vegan food like offering 0.73

03:13:29.320 other people vegan food telling them to you know accept krishna are they still dressed the same 0.60

03:13:34.600 that they did back in the 60s at least at least like what like this was a little over 10 years

03:13:39.580 ago but yeah yeah pretty much i mean as far as far as the pictures i've seen from them like the

03:13:45.240 60s they uh they pretty much dress the same it's still like primarily white guys i forget who i 0.54

03:13:51.260 was talking to it might have been i was on this podcast with these guys uh the history homos uh

03:13:56.260 funny to say it still but i think i think it was them or someone else who were saying that because

03:14:01.440 we're talking about laurel canyon we're talking about you know charles manson that's a rabbit

03:14:05.320 yeah and they were talking that yeah there's still family cults in that exact same area i'm

03:14:11.680 like really and yeah they listed off a few names about like that sort of like california that

03:14:18.020 certain part of california where you still have like these just charles manson like cults to this

03:14:23.060 day and everyone knows about them but they just don't give a shit but i don't know it's just wild

03:14:27.640 if you just watch that movie once upon a time in hollywood i'm like yeah so just imagine that 0.57

03:14:32.060 but in 2024 they're probably dressed the same too i still haven't seen that my uh fiance likes

03:14:38.780 tarantino a lot and i just never never i guess i did give him the time of day but i just never

03:14:44.560 really got and i don't know everyone's got tarantino movies they do like i guess but

03:14:48.280 i never saw that one though so maybe i should check it out i like the conspiracy stuff obviously

03:14:52.700 yeah well that's a a good tangent to go on for a second um as a musician do you what movies do

03:14:59.900 like do you find that any films have influenced your sound because for example i know a lot of uh

03:15:06.040 young musicians or electronic musicians actually i don't know a lot i know a couple but like they

03:15:10.700 love john carpenter and the idea that john carpenter was a director and does his own music

03:15:14.780 and still does shows where it'll be a fucking packed theater people screaming as he does the 0.96

03:15:22.400 halloween theme where he's playing shit from escape from new york tapping his fucking foot 0.72

03:15:26.860 being 80 yeah yeah and but he's he's into it he's a badass i'll give him that he's the coolest 0.86

03:15:32.560 motherfucker and but then i'm like i'm just with you any is there anything like that any films or

03:15:37.660 soundtracks anything that inspires you from that um i don't know about like

03:15:43.700 particularly soundtracks that inspire me and i i don't know i i haven't i haven't watched many

03:15:50.180 things lately i used to watch a lot of movies i i don't know i went through like uh a period when

03:15:55.540 I was watching a lot of shitty French new wave films

03:15:57.740 because I thought I was cool, like breathless and stuff.

03:16:03.060 I don't know.

03:16:03.740 I watch a lot of older shit a lot of the time.

03:16:08.460 What's the last cool thing you saw?

03:16:12.940 I don't even know.

03:16:15.360 I'm sure it'll come to me as soon as we get off this call right now.

03:16:18.960 I talk about every fucking movie I see on Movie Corner on the show,

03:16:22.460 so everyone knows what I've seen.

03:16:23.720 the last one the episode that just went up um it would have been man bites dog which was actually

03:16:33.680 a french movie from the 90 early 90s black and white it's sort of a mockumentary about a serial

03:16:39.720 killer uh they're following around this guy named benoit who's just uh like shooting old people and

03:16:45.480 taking their money and it's it's like a dark comedy it doesn't sound like it would be funny

03:16:49.280 but it is in like an american psycho kind of way um yeah remember you talking about uh iron claw

03:16:55.200 i think i had asked you if you're gonna see that because i know you watch like a lot of a24

03:16:58.740 so yeah yeah i saw iron claw and i kept forgetting the name of one of the guys his name was zach

03:17:05.720 efron i just couldn't remember his name at the time um yeah that guy got weird looking man

03:17:10.500 i grew up with him in high school musical that's what i remember yeah it was he was a young probably

03:17:17.580 Like, one of the most handsome guys you've ever seen.

03:17:20.220 And, like, he got jacked.

03:17:21.220 Like, that was what he was known for.

03:17:22.520 And then he goes and, I don't know.

03:17:24.700 I had this theory that, it's not even a theory.

03:17:27.980 It's just a weird belief that, like, if you're that guy and everyone your whole life is telling you you're handsome,

03:17:32.680 you get this strange complex and you just start getting plastic surgery because he's, he's got to be in his 40s,

03:17:39.560 way too young to be getting as much plastic surgery as he is.

03:17:42.580 and now he just looks fucked up 0.89

03:17:44.960 and you feel like you're not allowed to say it 0.92

03:17:47.340 around him but everyone just you have to be

03:17:49.360 in a room with him and there's this one thing you're not allowed

03:17:51.360 to talk about

03:17:52.120 yeah don't mention

03:17:55.060 what a strange existence

03:17:56.020 that's like the debriefing everyone that's going to his trailer

03:17:59.360 his chin

03:18:01.360 looks three sizes too

03:18:03.320 big and also for some reason

03:18:05.180 every time I see John Cena

03:18:07.260 he looks more and more like an ape

03:18:09.080 I don't

03:18:10.940 I don't know if John always looked like a fucking primate, but he does now.

03:18:17.240 Yeah.

03:18:17.920 Yeah, I know what you're saying.

03:18:19.460 And then he's fucking naked at the Oscars or something.

03:18:21.720 I don't know.

03:18:22.660 I've been seeing that go around.

03:18:24.440 I didn't watch the Oscars.

03:18:26.260 I know a lot of our conspiracy listeners will look at that and say,

03:18:29.500 it's a humiliation ritual.

03:18:30.680 That's the new meme that's going through our scene.

03:18:33.380 I'm like, perhaps.

03:18:34.200 I have been seeing that.

03:18:35.520 Don't discount the fact that they're just that lame and whack.

03:18:40.040 Yeah, for sure.

03:18:40.940 that they just said hey what if you came out naked wouldn't that be funny it's like i guess

03:18:45.040 you know i think that's just i mean sometimes i think that's just where we're at like haha naked

03:18:50.220 funny because i don't even know what the joke would be i think they're like oh it's for costume

03:18:55.060 design and he's naked i'm like okay that sounds like something a really bad writer came up with

03:19:00.420 but this i would rather you try and be like a stuffy boring award show at this point don't try

03:19:07.320 and be funny. Don't try and be cool.

03:19:09.440 None of you are cool. Everyone

03:19:11.200 wants you to be on fire when they're watching

03:19:13.280 this.

03:19:15.960 Yeah, it's

03:19:16.720 just like disgraceful

03:19:19.500 at this point.

03:19:21.120 Are you kind of tuned into the

03:19:23.260 mainstream culture? These are the ones judging what's good.

03:19:26.040 Yeah, yeah.

03:19:27.040 Are you tuned into the mainstream culture or are you just

03:19:29.120 kind of checked out and doing your own thing right now?

03:19:32.040 I don't know, like selectively.

03:19:35.000 I guess

03:19:35.340 you could say.

03:19:37.320 yeah uh so how many other because i know like we talked about that uh ai project how many

03:19:44.060 other individuals are on your label aside from you are they all people or some of them

03:19:48.640 pseudonymous uh let me see

03:19:51.920 we've got we've got at least like seven or eight other people now i think

03:19:56.980 do you have a limit on how big you want to get or is there a grand strategy

03:20:02.120 not really since we're like but we're just doing a lot of things like online in general you know

03:20:06.860 what i mean i mean at a point i don't want to be the only one handling everything but but like

03:20:13.620 yeah no there's at this point we're not like super worried about getting too many people on the label

03:20:19.060 like i said as long as it kind of goes with like what you know like our vibe i mean i'm open to it

03:20:25.800 and that's i want to i want to like it i want to just like it it's that's really what it comes down

03:20:31.060 like i want i want to hear whatever like someone sends me and be like yeah yeah i would throw that

03:20:37.260 on that's pretty good you know what i mean like yeah yeah i personally try and make music like

03:20:43.140 that like i want to make something i want because i'll i mean as gay as it is i and i have to

03:20:47.960 anyways i'll go back and listen to like records i've made and stuff and it's like i want it to 0.91

03:20:51.860 be something that like i put on and like i like what i'm hearing yeah i want to just pump shit

03:20:57.420 out to do it now one thing we haven't gone to yet and maybe this is too boring of a topic but

03:21:04.200 i was curious about um what sort of content outside of music um and outside of these genres

03:21:11.960 that you're into you know we don't need to go into like what's your ideology or anything but

03:21:15.680 um are there what do you what do you like to watch to pass the time since you're kind of in this

03:21:21.520 space I mean like I said I watch a lot of old shows watch watch uh I mean I've been watching

03:21:28.540 a good amount of anime I guess lately as embarrassing as that is I guess

03:21:31.700 I've been doing some spy family lately it's pretty good but but the thing is like I'm

03:21:38.220 watching it most at least most of the time I'm watching it with my daughter who is you know

03:21:42.160 like teenage years so like really wow I got that I got that to like be like oh well I'm watching

03:21:48.640 with my kids why aren't you watching it guy who doesn't have kids do your even though i even though

03:21:54.100 i like anime like i'm not gonna do your kids know you're doing music if they heard it yeah yeah yeah

03:22:01.180 like i'll i'll show um i'll show my oldest one anyways probably more or less like a lot of stuff

03:22:06.800 i'll do different stuff i'll make i was interested in what a teenage girl thinks of this type of

03:22:12.480 music does she like it your change yeah yeah like i think i think she genuinely likes it

03:22:19.920 because i feel like a lot of stuff i'm

03:22:25.760 influenced by is is i wouldn't say like all of it's newer i'm definitely influenced by a lot

03:22:31.360 of older stuff too like i i want to make something newer like newer sounding like

03:22:38.900 something like people haven't heard yet you know what i mean but also something that's like like i

03:22:44.360 said you can vibe to you can like throw on repeat and like so like hopefully that resonates to an

03:22:50.400 extent maybe that's maybe that's what it is but yeah i do find her like like tapping her foot

03:22:54.660 like we're in the car listening to stuff sometimes like so i think she does like it at least at least

03:22:59.900 observationally i don't know yeah you can't really get to the mind of them right like you know

03:23:04.660 yeah i don't know if i'll be able to play a podcast for my kids one day you got into a good 0.91

03:23:10.320 thing for kids to think is cool i don't know if i could show my like fucking you know blood satellite 0.75

03:23:16.440 bits to i can't even show them to my wife this stuff is like i'm this is true scare in the hose 0.94

03:23:22.120 type shit we got going out here um so i know you got we're recording this pretty late i know you 0.55

03:23:30.360 probably gotta get going and i just wanted to end with um i found you at noiserike.com 0.57

03:23:36.520 um i can find what would the preferred channels to locate you on be uh i guess probably our

03:23:42.840 youtube or band camp is like the most accessed i would think um but yeah the youtube has like

03:23:48.720 literally everything uh the band camp might have a few things the youtube doesn't um but like as

03:23:55.400 That would be noisereich.bandcamp.com, I believe is the one.

03:23:59.720 Yeah, yeah.

03:24:04.400 I'm sorry.

03:24:05.760 I was going to say noisereich.bandcamp.com, a post-genre label.

03:24:10.980 We've got all of the artists right here for people who want to know more about that.

03:24:17.680 Yeah, I'd say, yeah.

03:24:19.120 There, the YouTube is probably the best place.

03:24:22.220 And then I'm on Telegram as well.

03:24:25.400 flesh canoe flesh canoe that's right one of my favorite channels i love the the content you're

03:24:31.600 putting up on there and also you have a podcast aether cull correct yeah yeah so that is i i

03:24:38.660 guess you could say it is basically kind of separate from the label because it's just

03:24:42.360 um i'm basically just like live mixing tracks um it so none of it is i guess you could say i'm

03:24:49.440 djing in a sense but i'm not just like playing the tracks i'm like making music out of a bunch

03:24:53.960 of samples that i've gathered essentially to try and you know like make one type of genre like i've

03:24:59.320 done breakbeat um i've done like some noise mixed with pop um i've done i've done a couple different

03:25:04.940 things um i've had a few guests on so far uh probably getting ready to wrap up the first

03:25:10.740 season of that like pretty soon but yeah it's been a pretty fun time there flesh canoe on telegram

03:25:19.000 would be that's i think where i originally found you that would just be a channel for

03:25:23.220 music but also memes and imagery and uh it's kind of like tapping into your consciousness

03:25:29.980 and the stuff that you're into that goes in the music i think yeah because i do i do a lot of

03:25:34.840 graphic design stuff too like i'll i'll post like 2d and like 3d art and stuff i'm like there and

03:25:40.520 just like you said like memes other random shit yeah i don't steal things 0.79

03:25:47.260 thank god i've had memes stolen and they're fucking hate that dude i've had my actual art 0.86

03:25:53.700 stolen it's a lot of time it's these russian channels too yeah and they were going to talk 0.83

03:26:01.880 like oh this is our platform and they're right but you know we made it great yeah i mean like 0.86

03:26:06.980 no no hate on all russians but it just does so happen to be that a lot of times these fucking

03:26:11.040 russian channels stealing content maybe i'll be optimistic maybe they're just trying to get it

03:26:15.740 into russian yeah the russians have no excuse the americans that do it to me they got no

03:26:21.960 excuse they're just being nasty yeah all right so i gotta let you go now uh this has been fantastic

03:26:30.200 talking with you everyone check out that music it's some of the favorite stuff i've been hearing

03:26:34.000 lately and uh and best of luck with everything everyone check that out no i appreciate you

03:26:40.320 have me on that.

Blood Satellite - May 10, 2024

U Wouldn't Tat a Tutting Nephilim [“AT my disciples listening to kill you can't be normal”]

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