00:19:04.680okay sorry oh we got um a messenger from the odyssey that i can't put up on the screen but0.99
00:19:11.120for need for sneed lovely says judas is louder than lauren southern's arm fat holy cow we gotta
00:19:19.440we gotta have a look at this nice nice you know i it took everything in me not to just do another
00:19:26.760lauren southern episode because i'm like i could find something in a pinch
00:19:30.840oh yeah sorry judas left the chat to make homemade cordage i like this arc that is true because you
00:19:37.200did leave the chat yeah how are you feeling healthier are you i'm feeling healthy i'm
00:19:42.620feeling good i've devoted myself to the real world yeah i tried that i wasn't a fan i i'm
00:19:53.380really just trying to be a digital guy it's like a you know like a digital nomad you're going around
00:19:57.940a digital blood and soil type where i'm not moving from where i'm at i'm just i'm online
00:20:04.060well you know what i've i've tried this it's probably maybe the fourth time in as many years
00:20:08.760that i've tried to do this and this is the the longest i've ever gone like essentially just
00:20:13.640saying you know i'm not really playing video games i'm not i'm not watching tv i'm not on
00:20:17.620social media and uh you have to have something else to go to like you can't just quit a cold
00:20:22.680turkey and not have a whole bunch of hobbies and other activities lined up because otherwise you
00:20:28.480just you're back at it so yeah yeah and and before um we get started i i want to show this other
00:20:39.080video really quickly um let me just get it um queued up here hold on where is it
00:20:48.800so keep talking for a second i'm just getting some cute well yes what else did i do i i uh
00:20:56.600oh we got these desks the high school was giving away old desks from their art room
00:21:01.400and they're built like a tank like these solid steel frames and nice melamine tops and
00:21:05.620we cleaned those up the other night and we completely rebuilt our office with these desks
00:21:09.520we got like work benches for every type of craft in our in our home office we got one for leather
00:21:15.540working we got one for electronics we got one for uh we got like special seed storage for the
00:21:22.240seeds got all kinds of shit going on we're building and uh yeah painting stuff hey there
00:21:31.360he is okay so i got another uh video queued up here i just wanted to open with this because0.79
00:21:37.120we're gonna be talking about jordan peterson uh interviewing elon musk and i thought this
00:21:44.200connected to a few topics that we've discussed both on the show and on real secret coffee hours
00:21:49.140or paywall show about um the california ideology and we have discussed that on the show um i was
00:21:57.160on prudentialist stream not long ago going deep into this um article that was published i think
00:22:04.100on mute magazine a while ago that was outlining what they describe as the ideology of the silicon
00:22:10.980valley people yeah the tech billionaires you hear people say tech billionaires and they seem like
00:22:16.160they're a block the operators that they're a block but what guides them are they republicans
00:22:21.700obviously not are they democrats they're kind of a mix of both you would say maybe they tilt more
00:22:25.980towards being libertarian i you know ideologically but their actions would dictate otherwise because
00:22:31.760they seem very in favor of taking government money and leaning into socialist policy so they're
00:22:36.340There's something else. And with the election, I don't know if you call it the election, the selection of J.D. Vance as the vice president to Donald Trump, who's running, who may very well, if you're reading the news, he may very well lose to Kamala Harris.
00:22:55.920have you seen this um i'm having a good time i am kind of nervous though because i didn't think
00:23:03.180they would be going this hard in favor of her and and the meme machine would kick up so aggressively
00:23:09.040you know to be like oh she's kind of like a cool bratty bitch did kamala harris like the0.88
00:23:16.500they're showing the old clips from her debate with mike pence the one everyone said she lost1.00
00:23:22.100it's like actually you think she did she did good you know when she was acting like a dumb cunt0.99
00:23:27.320like that that plays kind of it's like so they're just telling you that everyone likes this stuff0.98
00:23:32.900and maybe that works uh maybe you don't think so i don't think so okay i don't think the game is
00:23:40.520even at this point the fact that they've done this that it's been like a coup against biden and
00:23:45.500they're like i think i heard they stole like 92 million dollars out of his campaign put it in her
00:23:51.180name or something like i feel like what's actually going on here is not an attempt to win an actual
00:23:57.160election but an attempt to spin the narrative to a point where the general public uh will accept
00:24:04.320another steal in kamala's name like you don't have to win the election you just have to convince
00:24:08.600enough people that kamala is legitimate that when they steal it people won't fight back because
00:24:13.520there's no way that she wins an election there's no joe is much more electable than her like
00:24:20.600in fairness joe being like senile but aside from him being senile like look even look at him 15
00:24:27.600years ago people remember right he used to be a for a democrat a stand-up guy kamala has never1.00
00:24:33.620been anything but a dumb bitch whore like she never got any vote even when she was trying to0.99
00:24:39.120get the nomination five years ago she didn't get any fucking votes she was like last so i do remember1.00
00:24:45.360when like three weeks ago and every year previously everyone said you know what joe biden yeah he's0.99
00:24:52.940not the best but a fucking corpse is better than kamala harris yeah that was a bipartisan thing1.00
00:24:58.460everyone ask a communist ask an anarchist ask a fascist they'd all say like fuck her for a multitude1.00
00:25:05.860of reasons she's unlikable um and women don't like her either for a lot of reasons too because1.00
00:25:11.700just from the feminine perspective you know everyone knows that she slept her way into her0.99
00:25:17.540current position and so girls women don't like that women don't like the office whore0.98
00:25:22.620she is the off hillary clinton wasn't the office whore that's how she got where she is but if you're1.00
00:25:28.100just kind of like a dumb hoe they don't really they don't like that you're a husband stealer1.00
00:25:34.620and also you're goofy and also you dance weird you know you got you have you're completely1.00
00:25:41.340inverted in every node of your existence every neuron is flipped every particle is rotted1.00
00:25:48.460but now it's like hey maybe maybe this fucking shitting demon why not that and so hey maybe0.99
00:25:55.680but um i'm no matter what i think i think if we just have fun yeah that's all we need to do the0.99
00:26:02.800canadian equivalent of this would be if trudeau had to step down because of all the scandals
00:26:06.880and they tried to be like oh we'll just put christia freeland in it's like no you don't
00:26:10.860get it we hate her even more than him we just don't target her because she's not the prime
00:26:15.440minister but like you she's unelectable and it's the same with kamala like the only reason people
00:26:19.760don't constantly harp about how much they hate kamala is because she's not the president she
00:26:25.840was the president we'd hate her five times more than joe and so back to the main point which is
00:26:30.840that jd vance jd vance is selected as trump's running mate a lot of people are excited now
00:26:36.420the word going around our circles is that jd vance he's our guy and there's a lot of the word1.00
00:26:43.140was that he's a dumb faggot are we going with your guy oh that's me you're okay you say that1.00
00:26:48.560about everyone yeah but him especially look at it look at his lips yeah okay you can't vote based1.00
00:26:57.480on lips it's it's always the the lips the eyelashes the fucking dude gut i'm a single0.98
00:27:02.920issue voter someone made a point that jd vance like he's anti-seed oil he's into like protein1.00
00:27:09.540but he's still like a bloated fuck it's like how many guys saw that and said literally me0.97
00:27:14.800like he looks like the archetype of this or the guy who's who spends a lot of time1.00
00:27:21.360talking about like how to get the plastic out of your balls and he's got the most plastic0.98
00:27:26.640field balls at anyone in a way he would know he looks like somebody took a toddler and like blew0.98
00:27:32.660the toddler off to a normal human person size that's kind of what he looks like he he he doesn't0.92
00:27:40.080look like an overinflated toddler doesn't he he got he's gonna pop he gotta take some of the air
00:27:46.620out of that someone got someone's trying to get fired today but uh he's like he follows a lot of
00:27:54.840people in our spaces and then you have a look at who he's following say oh who's does he follow0.92
00:28:00.760blood satellite is he following thomas 777 no you're seeing like fucking future moldovian0.98
00:28:07.640citizen you're seeing second city bureaucrat you're seeing bronze age pervert you're seeing0.79
00:28:11.320a lot of people in the peter teal orbit it's very convenient who hasn't heard of peter teal before
00:28:18.500you know if you just showed up yesterday you think oh peter teal he is our billionaire right
00:28:23.800and he's been around and we talked about this when we met up the other day a lot of people forget
00:28:29.280that tfw no gf documentary they made an incel documentary a few years ago we reviewed it on
00:28:36.140our show con bot was in it and i don't think anyone should let him live that down no matter0.98
00:28:41.820what con pot ever says the response should be hey didn't you star in the never getting pussy
00:28:47.560documentary and that's true i mean that's a true thing that happened it's not like he's done0.73
00:28:52.160anything else with his life so that's probably the peak and i don't care that he just had a kid0.99
00:28:56.960i don't care that he's married which he is but he's he's the never getting pussy guy and he0.99
00:29:02.420starred he's the main attraction okay so but that was peter teal that was curtis yarvin there's been0.97
00:29:08.780moves to try and juice the scene with capital and with funding to turn it into something to get it
00:29:16.600going and see what they can really shepherd into the mainstream now when you look at jd vance you
00:29:24.000say well this is that now this sector has their ear to the power now what's the vice president
00:29:29.840going to do well it's not nothing it it does signal something but what does that mean what
00:29:35.320does the peter teal orbit have to do with this so i have this video here and we've just been staring
00:29:42.040at fucking whitney webb and mark goodwin this was not intentionally chosen to make them look bad
00:29:48.640um however this is whitney webb and a lot of people i'm seeing some uh some some things here0.96
00:29:55.560behold says oh no whitney webb i'm gonna say i don't have anything terribly against whitney webb
00:30:02.100i'm familiar that ryan dawson does not like whitney webb he says that whitney webb has been
00:30:09.060stealing a lot of his takes there's a whole hullabaloo about oh not a take stealer oh
00:30:15.740no you should have got it copyrighted ryan i don't i don't want to get involved i'm just i'm
00:30:21.000picking this because she's making the rounds this is a good video i've like i've looked at
00:30:27.000ryan dawson stuff i couldn't find him talking at like the plant here i can find him talking a lot
00:30:33.580about anti-war i could find a lot of conspiracy stuff 9-11 stuff but on this topic couldn't find
00:30:38.260it so i got winnie webb sorry everyone she seems fine to me however let's call the elephant in the0.94
00:30:45.460room these two look like shit and they don't need to how would you describe what we're seeing here0.76
00:30:52.960you can see the screen me yeah i mean i've never seen these they don't look like people that i0.99
00:30:58.940like she's they both have the problem glasses the japanese hoodie guys got the exact same facial
00:31:05.280hairs me so i'm not happy with that um toke indoors uh tongue and groove pine paneling on
00:31:12.160the wall i am i'm there for that that's nice give us give us the carpenter's take now that i'm now
00:31:17.540that i'm now that i'm seeing them i changed my mind i like them yeah you like like i do like
00:31:22.720them you're like in the craftsmanship i'd probably find a reason to hate them over a beer it's always
00:31:29.360to win you over this is why he saw me have like a good cabinet one time when we were in high school
00:31:33.820and he's like this is the guy this is my guy but i i'm always amazed like even when i talk about
00:31:39.220like the collins is those two i'm like you really underestimate the power of not having
00:31:44.980war crime glasses yeah you know what i mean like you don't need to you don't gotta roll out of bed
00:31:50.800like this you don't gotta roll out of bed say i want my bug sweater on what kind of what kind
00:31:56.600of insect sweater is this what type of glasses are these yeah it looks like they got sparkles
00:32:01.480on the inside my son loves this he gets a plastic thing and they put water and sparkles on the
00:32:06.560inside beautiful you don't you don't need to carry that into the office they should make those for
00:32:10.920adults you know what you know what let's talk put in pin in that you got the cnc machine we got0.99
00:32:17.620yes we're gonna sell those on good suffer i got this business idea let's make retarded shit1.00
00:32:24.980we're gonna make retarded shit and sell it to the smartest nazis we know0.99
00:32:32.860all right can't you can't be wearing this hat you can't be wearing a hoodie in front of a camera1.00
00:32:41.820can't be doing it all right it's too late okay you're turning on me vicious okay i'm just gonna
00:32:48.320i'm teeing her up because she talks about palantir and that's gonna lead into the elon
00:32:53.640us thing but um i think it's important and we never really discussed this aspect of the show
00:32:58.660before peter thiel's connection to what we call the deep state what we might also call the
00:33:04.820intelligence apparatus and you want to call it the american intelligence apparatus but it is sort of
00:33:10.100this transnational intelligence apparatus but by the way i just want to just a funny thing i have
00:33:15.380this theory that i find all these evil companies i hate them so much and they it bothers me because0.91
00:33:20.440they keep getting away with shit so i just buy their stock so i i own a bunch of palantir stock0.98
00:33:25.600it's been doing really well so i mean you've gone long on palantir i'm long on corrupt deep state0.99
00:33:33.340military industrial complex stocks so you know what ideology values aside there's some solid
00:33:41.800we call them jay's picks we got northrop grumman we got plant here we got we got
00:33:51.100can you invest in dead browns where do you where do i go to invest in competency collapse
00:33:59.120yeah the salt systems that'd be one for dead browns where do i invest in giant spatulas to
00:34:06.240flip like a pancake all the corpses that jump off of buildings0.99
00:34:09.340that the police are going to use like in fucking looney tunes0.98
00:34:12.980all right so i'm just going to sort of play this event because i think it's kind of just0.91
00:34:17.380interesting so um interesting um when you consider that there's been a long-standing
00:34:23.000effort to sort of get us get the united states embroiled and in war with iran
00:34:27.280going on you know probably over two decades now so um and obviously you know his base isn't really
00:34:34.740into the whole you know more wars thing not that really any americans are at this point except
00:34:39.540people that directly benefit from them um so i don't know i think that's an interesting development
00:34:46.580but as far as jd jd vance is concerned you know he's an ohio guy uh he said he's uh you know
00:34:53.620an ohio guy and how do we feel about that ladies and gentlemen
00:34:56.820what do we think about ohio guy that's a bad freeze frame too i'm sorry this is not intentional
00:35:07.020i'm not trying to throw webb under the bus here she's got that thing where she smiles upside down
00:35:12.960you see that when she smiles or it's like what do you call that there's a name for that there's
00:35:18.420got to be a name for it it's like the obama smile all right we got velocity here sorry i missed this
00:35:24.280one he's saying ryan's hitting the listerine again referring to ryan dawson uh we got the
00:35:29.340dawson deplore i don't know anything about it if i'm causing trouble i disavow uh got bill wilson
00:35:36.040here saying sneed thank you always welcome um behold one here with the post truth investment
00:35:42.480strategy yeah it's easy do it making money is easy it's easy not hard yeah i'm hearing a lot
00:35:50.160people say it's easy not hard at least one uh fundraiser at leslie wexner's house who again is
00:35:56.040the richest man in ohio and a pretty important figure in the in the epstein scandal and i mean
00:36:00.060that's the reality of people that come to power in ohio just like in chicago if you want to be
00:36:02.880uh you know crowned uh you know political royalty in chicago you have to make a good with the
00:36:06.900pritzkers and and the crowns and families like that i mean in the state of ohio it's kind of
00:36:10.120similar uh if not with wexner himself with his kind of broader network he's dominated politics
00:36:13.720in that state for a very very long time um and uh but really the the name that's most important as
00:36:17.960it relates to Vance is going to be Peter Thiel. As people have noted, Vance worked at Mithril
00:36:22.820Capital, where he, Mithril, by the way, a big investor in the stablecoin issue or Paxos, which
00:36:26.360plays a pretty big role in the piece we'll be discussing later. And Mithril, from Mithril,
00:36:30.480he went on to be involved with some of these other BC funds, one tied to an AOL co-founder,
00:36:34.600one of them receiving a lot of money, this Rise of the Rest Fund. It was heavily funded by people
00:36:38.020like Jeff Bezos and the Walton family from Walmart, who, if you're familiar with the Waltons,
00:36:41.580are very tied up historically with the Clintons, specifically Hillary. And then from there,
00:36:46.220He's in his political career, a lot of Thiel involvement.
00:36:49.400Once again, a lot of donations from Thiel and other members of the so-called PayPal
00:36:52.100mafia, like David Sachs and Elon Musk, of course, being a big part of the fundraising
00:36:57.680apparatus, as are some other companies that Thiel helped create, like Palantir, which
00:37:01.620is now part of the super PAC with the Winklevoss twins and Elon Musk.
00:37:04.440And then you also have Joe Lonsdale, who's a Palantir co-founder with Peter Thiel joining
00:39:21.660It's for every single law enforcement agency out there.
00:39:24.220They're just kind of cherry picking the ones that are supposed to appeal to you to get you excited about this organization.
00:39:30.900And I think that was a great example of what I was talking about, how this they call them PayPal mafia. So if you're looking for more information on this, look up PayPal mafia. That's the keyword. Also be the California ideology. That's what it was known as before. But you see how it's this sort of free floating block that's injecting itself in a bipartisan manner. And only recently have they really gone all in on Trump.
00:39:56.620you know prior to this they kept sort of like a libertarian demarcation like we want we don't want
00:40:03.080to be involved that's what elon musk would say you don't want to be involved i've never seen him
00:40:07.260so openly arguably brazenly come out in favor of a candidate like this and he's dragging a lot of
00:40:13.840people along with him however right now there is sort of a shake-up in the startup world over this
00:40:19.460right now but it seems to be that the silicon valley and the starved community and the tech
00:40:26.660libertarians as they might have been known they're all in on trump and they're all in on vance and
00:40:32.340you know they always say that i'm i'm a debbie downer i'm too cynical you know we're look at
00:40:39.280doesn't this feel like winning feels like winning trump's gonna win again we got we got trannies
00:40:44.740running scared everyone's running scared everyone's freaking out they're trying to get excited about
00:40:48.860kamala harris and and the genitals are shriveling up right but i don't know like i look ahead and
00:40:54.900maybe i'm too cautious maybe i'm too cynical but i i'm i'm not loving the connections i'm hearing
00:41:01.140you know i mean i i feel like there's there's more going on here than oh the woke is being put
00:41:08.560away that's what they're going to tell you right now like oh the we're winning we we defeated woke
00:41:12.440it was never about woke and we're going to get into that in the interview but i leave this do
00:41:18.180you have any uh i was gonna say trainees are running scared yeah because the system that
00:41:22.100they've been the janissaries of is collapsing somewhat but they're running to our back door0.89
00:41:27.520which has been left open by teal's people by bap by you know all these these new york fags so
00:41:33.880i mean and this is i said this on the previous episode i think this is all an off it's all just
00:41:39.340too perfect in the last three four months everything that's been revealed and now we've
00:41:43.100got jd vance and we've got the whole the new like this new pantheon of uh like what i think they're
00:41:51.760trying to push as the cool dissident right like you've got jordan peterson and you've got elon
00:41:58.200musk and you've got jd vance and you've got all of these twitter talking heads and none of them
00:42:03.540are us like we most of us abandoned these people years ago these people are all bought and paid for
00:42:09.860they're all part of the system most of them are are are in israel's pocket so but here i mean like
00:42:15.840i was saying like this is all now looking like it's supposed to be us so yeah and again i don't
00:42:23.240want to sound like that i'm just trying to pick on jd vance this isn't even really about him this
00:42:29.120isn't really about trump and people will hear me say this and say oh you're trying to take down
00:42:33.980these individuals i'm just trying to look at the ecosystem surrounding them that you know jd vance
00:42:39.380i bet he believes what he believes i bet he's genuine in what he states i haven't read hillbilly
00:42:45.180elegy elegy rather i've heard some people love it some people hate it we might very well read it on
00:42:50.480here um i've read some of his older blog posts a lot of guys like him and you're allowed to like
00:42:55.080i thought he was like a decorated naval seal and vc investor i don't he's also really i don't know
00:43:03.260someone correct me i've i've heard that he's sort of like a self-made guy he was from like
00:43:08.640the appellations he's from yeah white trash beginnings top of his class out of virginia
00:43:13.920multiple theaters of war and then winds up in the billionaire class at 30 definitely a self-made man0.89
00:43:21.340definitely nothing else going on there i i do not think jd vance was a chris kyle type figure
00:43:27.000um i don't who i guess also was a liar but i don't know that's a bad example i don't know
00:43:33.140any other good like famous snipers i just know gun tubers so he's not he's no grand thumb you know
00:43:39.920um but yeah i don't know like i actually don't know that much about him that's why i'm not
00:43:45.700trying to say either way there's some people who are really invested in jd bands i'm just
00:43:48.800sidestepping that looking at this ecosystem looking at the connections saying that okay
00:43:53.100something is happening but i'm more interested in how it's fueled by the californian ideology tech
00:44:01.300plutocrats and what that means for us because when you look at someone like musk you would say
00:44:09.360okay he's anti-woke well what does that mean is he also a transhumanist probably like these are0.99
00:44:15.940the guys who they might agree with you on like transgender shit having gone slightly too far0.99
00:44:22.540and they say that just recently by the way that wasn't two years ago just now but they're also0.99
00:44:27.480in all everything else trans trans hyphen they're in favor of that they're in favor of all kinds of0.99
00:44:32.240other wild shit um you probably wouldn't be surprised if all that shit you hate from the0.98
00:44:37.900world economic forum they're in favor of and maybe not all of it maybe you know five six out of ten0.99
00:44:43.840so it's like it's you got to really dissect what they are to figure out what their goals are
00:44:49.860because i think some people get excited and we're too excited to elect our guys see what i'm saying
00:44:55.680yeah so anyway we call it a cynical stream uh i'm just going to read the uh okay here we go
00:45:01.280behold on this topic he was a marine combat journalist um i think that that cancels out
00:45:08.620right marine combat hey journalist ah so what he breaks even that's a blank spot in his life
00:45:19.440as far as i'm concerned okay i've got vulpes here jim goat has a pretty good review on hillbilly
00:45:25.180elegy i'll check that out i like jim goad's writing i read um the redneck manifesto long
00:45:31.480long time ago we never covered it on the show but maybe we will i'd like to get more jim goad
00:45:35.640stuff on here uh oh we got a junk sock nobody defeats the wall i assume that's that could be
00:45:43.400for jordan peterson even you know the wall the wall hits guys too and he hits something i just
00:45:50.100just because we're talking about it i just checked his bio there because behold says that he was a
00:45:54.080journo after he went after graduated from high school he immediately went to iraq for six months
00:46:00.040so that he could get his tuition paid and he went into philosophy and immediately got a job for a
00:46:05.520senator so his whole thing about him being like a war hero he was there for six months so he could0.99
00:46:09.900get free tuition and he didn't see combat he was just a journalist so he's not that fucking guy
00:46:15.520that's just the meme and here's one for you this is right in his wiki he's close personal friends
00:46:21.260with jameel jivani you know jameel name from i know that yeah who is that he's like he's like
00:46:27.980uh he's a pierre polyev's bulldog he's the uh he's the uh conservative member of parliament for
00:46:34.740uh durham in ontario he's big he just won a by-election and he's like huge he's one of
00:46:40.160polyev's close guys so and of course so he's got some he's got some indian political connections
00:46:47.200Kate, what is going on with the Indians?
00:48:40.360it looks like blue velvet pants actually i don't think that's denim it looks like velvet
00:48:44.980you know we've long passed the expired end on people joking that he looks like a spider-man
00:48:51.160villain of some kind or like a dick tracy gangster i guess i mean also you can't see
00:48:57.020you can hear his voice but he says i want to say first how ridiculously exciting it is to be here
00:49:04.080it's like you chose that as your opening you know statement i've never seen someone less excited
00:49:10.140that's not a deliver you don't deliver that with a deadpan expression yeah exactly that's just
00:49:15.060jarring for the audience like i'm more excited than you are okay i just want to see vulpus here
00:49:20.820but he's gone full fifth element yeah uh you're most welcome to be here this is quite the amazing
00:49:29.720place and i've been preparing to talk to you this amazing place which looks like just the
00:49:36.620cyber truck showroom that i had a feeling that he really had to say you can't have the cyber truck
00:49:43.160in the background it looks like it was set up to have the cyber truck between them and they said
00:49:48.240you can't do that so now we're just in a strange empty showroom yeah and they got a discount
00:49:54.360graffiti that says cyber truck behind him instead which from just a branding perspective is kind of
00:50:00.820an odd choice because we're not into graffiti culturally anymore that's very early 2000s
00:50:08.100it's not punk i don't see the cyber it's like it's like elon picking the x in everything
00:50:13.160because he's like a 1997 guy like everything has to have an x in it i hate how he's ruined being
00:50:19.640a 1997 guy i know i when i was when i was a kid in 1995 i wanted to be a 1997 guy so badly
00:50:27.080and he wrecked it i thought 97 was going to be the end of history i've been trying to live in
00:50:34.140it almost was yeah all right let's keep looking for a long time so i'm really looking forward to
00:50:40.200it you said something that caught me right away when we were discussing uh various issues just
00:50:46.980before we started you said you were up till four in the morning yeah actually a little little more
00:50:50.880like five in the morning but we got to the um the xai data center uh or supercomputer center
00:50:57.380uh training um from uh beginning installation to startup training in 19 days which is the fastest
00:51:03.560that anyone has ever gotten a supercomputer to train look look at pierce look at him leaning
00:51:09.200forward like that's the most fascinating thing he's ever heard that's not interesting that's not
00:51:13.880it's a pitch i i got i got an office i got a thing up and running he's like no way wow
00:51:20.500you know what is that something it's not something it's not obvious that that isn't the greatest
00:51:26.960thing ever ah look look at him let's let's have a look here pants i think are too short we're
00:51:32.700talking here look at me he is excited like i don't know maybe i'm too cynical but i don't know
00:51:39.580if i'd be that excited to talk to elon musk you know what i mean i'd be pretty excited to talk
00:51:44.420to elon musk yeah i don't know i wouldn't be i think you're so excited that i wouldn't0.91
00:51:49.960i wouldn't wear that jacket what do you think says closet how many fucking themed blazers are
00:51:59.320there because i gotta find his tailor all right off the side that's in memphis actually it's in0.96
00:52:04.460memphis yeah oh so that's where you were yeah i see memphis the capital of ancient egypt right
00:52:08.660right right right right right yeah you're bringing what perhaps that's where our new
00:52:12.260god will come from yeah no kidding no kidding yeah i wish yeah i really identify with musk here
00:52:18.260musk i love you i know what it's like to be hung out to dry on a riff
00:52:22.660yeah i i sit across with someone every week who gives me nothing oh give me a break
00:52:32.500look at him look at the pain in his face would you rather would you rather me just look at my
00:52:36.900phone and not laugh or would you rather be like peter says oh yeah yeah oh that's fascinating
00:52:42.440oh yeah let's see let's see wish that was funny yeah okay so i want to talk to you what do you
00:52:49.180mean you wish that was funny do you like you think that's going to happen like the new god's
00:52:52.180going to come out of me i don't know what that it's not obvious no no that was i wish comma
00:52:57.400that was funny but he you've got it sped up so it sounds like he's saying i wish that was funny
00:53:02.860no no but i don't know why he wishes i don't know why he wishes like yeah god's gonna come
00:53:07.880out of memphis like i assume he's in tennessee but is also he's i don't it's a it's a was like
00:53:14.340a fucking toastmasters thing he's just making small talk to not seem uncomfortable but yeah0.96
00:53:18.520if you read anything into what he's saying it it's fucking small oh yeah i wish no wouldn't0.99
00:53:23.380that be great it'd be great would it be great no it wouldn't be great do it would be great0.90
00:53:26.680if you were speaking to elon musk and you only responded with yes and whatever he says go yes
00:53:33.680and i was and just i was gonna say actually it'd be cool to be the third chair here and then just
00:53:38.220keep like tapping must's elbow and just like getting his attention and then mocking peterson
00:53:42.360and like ganging up on peterson and make it making the jerk off hand motion yes see and making him0.99
00:53:51.000uncomfortable because you do one time it's like look at this guy this jerk off you keep doing it0.99
00:53:54.900the context of what you're saying changes to be highly sexually aggressive0.99
00:53:58.920you can play this right you can you can third mic this and broadcast to what 6.2 million people
00:54:06.840that are sexually assaulting elon musk uh uh you know metaphysically
00:54:11.800you're beaming him down from the new sphere okay that was funny yeah yeah well look um i mean there
00:54:21.060there are a few things we're aiming for with with grok the xai yeah um you know but it's the name of
00:54:24.820the the the ai from xai is called grok i'm familiar i'm familiar by the way that ai is the worst ai
00:54:31.060i've ever seen so the other day i put in because you can go to grok um on x if you go to someone's
00:54:37.700profile you click a button and it says learn more about this person and it loads up grok and it
00:54:43.780analyzes their whole account presumably and spits out a description and it says the exact same
00:54:49.940description for everybody you put in it's like so and so has a lot of really funny and irreverent
00:54:56.440posts and they're a welcome addition to x it's it's nothing you can't even scan a profile and
00:55:02.480say what do they like to talk about they like to talk about interesting things
00:55:06.000here's merrick pearson was more likable when he was on benzos yeah like i a lot of people were
00:55:15.420giving him shit for being on all these drugs it seemed to be working and there's a select few0.89
00:55:20.520people on this earth that can operate at that high a level being high all the time maybe only1.00
00:55:26.860the greatest men can and then the fucking libs got his ear got him off the benzos now look at him0.99
00:55:35.320broken those damn libs he's he's like retirement age those are the cocaine years yeah somebody1.00
00:55:42.920should put him out to pasture put him out pretty much of the the coca pasture is what i'm saying1.00
00:55:49.800oh here velocity another k binge i want to ask you about that too well grok just means to deeply
00:55:55.880understand something yeah it's got that weird background that's stranger in a strange land
00:55:59.560right robert heinlein that was yeah yeah yeah how old are you yeah okay so we're roughly from the
00:56:04.680same era i read heinlein a lot when i was a kid the first two thirds of stranger in a strange land
00:56:08.040great it gets kind of weird in the final third yeah so why did you pick grok well i think well
00:56:13.480because of the meaning of the word yeah um to grok don't care skip it or is there a difference
00:56:18.280between the western canon let's say in the latest woke nonsense now i've used grok a lot and it's
00:56:22.840not as woke as chat gpt but it's still i don't know which ai is more woke this is not a conversation
00:56:30.920still deviates into it. So how are you, can you address that by, it's just a language model at
00:56:37.840the moment, let's say, if it also understood images, if it also understood behavior. It actually
00:56:42.200does understand images at this point. Okay, and are those, is the language model and the image
00:56:46.860understanding, are they stacked on top of each other? Because I think that's partly how we
00:56:50.100triangulate psychologically, right? We have an imagination, and we have a verbal module,
00:56:54.020but those things have to work in sync, and we also have... It certainly is intended to work in sync.
00:56:57.180um it's you know it is uh intends to be what's called a multimodal model which means understanding
00:57:01.980text images and video and audio okay if it understands video will it start to understand0.97
00:57:07.260behavior yeah all this data that you what a stupid question no actually no that's not a bad question0.96
00:57:15.360and as i was skipping through this one thing i noticed was pierce was asking some interesting0.99
00:57:21.020questions a lot of people will look at him and say oh it's like a word salad what he's saying
00:57:25.440like no like he asks he's asking like okay you can layer on these types of media can it kind of
00:57:32.160link them together can it can it learn from video or does it just see video as a sequence of images
00:57:38.540or if you have a video of someone can you identify an individual in the video and judge the behavior
00:57:45.520of that individual in the video instead of just like describing what's in the video adding like
00:57:50.880sort of like a depth of understanding to a static image that's an interesting question and he didn't
00:57:57.560seem to have an answer maybe he does in a second but like that's kind of getting to where you think
00:58:03.000ai can go and i i don't think they're there yet like what do you think
00:58:07.120collected with your cars so i've been wondering i know tesla is a car company but when i look at
00:58:15.720what you do yeah well exactly well yeah well maybe more like those aren't cars those are
00:58:19.980autonomous robots yeah they're robots on four wheels autonomous robots and four wheels yeah
00:58:23.380they just look like a car right they're disguised as a car yeah yeah okay okay so what advantage
00:58:29.900well well that's a like an interesting thing there too and that's kind of what i was getting
00:58:34.200at with these guys where it's like yeah they're not a car company he made a robot company and
00:58:38.360said well the best vehicle for this is vehicles so you know the idea is like he's just trying to
00:58:44.860get enough funding through like he doesn't give a shit about the cars arguably he's never really0.77
00:58:50.260given a shit about electric cars period when people say well what's the future of electric0.97
00:58:53.480cars i don't think he sees a future in electric cars he sees a future in robots with some kind of0.99
00:59:00.580renewable energy input and then so all the tesla owners who love their cars i don't think he loves
00:59:06.260the cars it's just a means to an end and i think that's how they treat everything that's how they
00:59:11.280treat their relationships politically i think they're outside of politics so who so when they
00:59:17.360say oh musk is all in on trump like no he's into what like trump represents in a way and that's
00:59:22.920how everyone should be thinking by the way like you gotta like if you think that people are on
00:59:30.420the side of other people like that you're thinking democratically and we're the side that shouldn't
00:59:35.520be thinking democratically and by democratic they don't mean the democratic party or liberals
00:59:40.680i'm saying thinking within a democratic context which is that oh if enough people like this person
00:59:46.820that we vote with our allegiance and our allegiance votes lead to that it's like no this is just
00:59:52.240one giant matrix of manipulation it's only people who are locked on the outside who think it's like
00:59:58.160a popularity contest or if it's like oh they made friends that means that they're going to do
01:00:02.700something together it's like no no and i don't for what's worth i think trump sees it that way too
01:00:06.620because this is very evident in the business world too i don't think there's friends i don't think
01:00:10.920there's ideological allegiances like that for for people like this in that sense you can't even call
01:00:18.520them treacherous like i think it would be wrong to view them as snake-like or manipulative i think
01:00:24.380they're pretty open about this like they've never made claims to the otherwise we just hope that
01:00:29.100they are we see them do something and we try and divine their intentions and we imagine that their
01:00:34.100intentions are aligned with our own and it's never been the case and that's sort of the perennial
01:00:39.220issue that we have on the far right which is we're desperate to have friends we're always trying to
01:00:44.800build bridges with people who don't want to build bridges with us we've been doing this with every
01:00:49.300other ethnic nationalist group in the world like how many times have white nationalists tried to
01:00:53.760make inroads with arab nationalists or black nationalists or whoever the japanese nationalists0.98
01:00:59.380they don't like you that's that favors never fucking returned and they've been trying to do0.98
01:01:03.780this for like half a century at least maybe more it's like it's never worked so but we're so0.98
01:01:08.780desperate to have friends who don't who don't like white people you know what i mean so anyway
01:01:14.820that's why i when they hear someone say well that's our guy that doesn't mean anything to me
01:01:20.960anymore anyway we'll continue so let me look at the chat here um sorry peterson was good on b
01:01:29.680bill c16 back in 2017 yeah that was the main thing yeah non-commando says what's he done for
01:01:36.280you lately good point you know he's kind of in the pocket of the daily wire right now obviously
01:01:39.980i mean that's the trouble with some of these guys you know i mean i i used to love can't well
01:01:44.160and now he's completely 180 and the same with peterson i was i was a huge peterson head like
01:01:48.78010 years ago or maybe probably not 10 probably seven seven eight years ago but yeah around the
01:01:53.800c16 thing because he really was protecting us back before things got as bad as they are but
01:01:57.880when things got really bad he broke under the pressure and now he's owned by them so it's a
01:02:03.560shame to see him this way but yeah that's what happened yeah um if people haven't checked it out
01:02:08.540on the real secret coffee hours show uh i did a review of kind of a trio of articles concerning
01:02:15.940the israel-palestine conflict from three different people uh one was curtis yarvin and the second one
01:02:21.120was jordan peterson he wrote an article on his website that was the most one of the most unhinged
01:02:27.400things i think i've ever read this would have been months ago uh at the start of the conflict but he
01:02:33.720like he's in his way he sounds worse in writing than orally which you don't usually see that i
01:02:40.460can imagine him having chats with his handlers that he needs to dial it back because it's too
01:02:46.400obvious. Like if I was his handler, that's what I would be telling him. Yeah. Well, he was basically
01:02:52.440calling everyone evil rats if they were in any way in favor of the Palestinian cause.
01:03:01.160And there was a, which is funny in his words. That's this is the exact mentality that he was
01:03:05.840fighting in 2016 right this idea that if there are certain like um shibboleths right there's
01:03:13.840things that you can't approach and if you do then you mark yourself as a social pariah and
01:03:19.000the conversation is over and we're going to de-platform you and blow an air horn in your
01:03:22.560face that's what he's doing he's just doing it for israel now before they were doing it to him0.63
01:03:26.920over like dead naming trans kids so that was doing it over israel he had more vitriol in his words
01:03:34.280than most jews i've seen writing on the topic you know what i mean like he you know he the
01:03:40.120what we might call the shabos goy you know sorry do you have been training grok given that you have
01:03:46.680all this real world data that you've gathered from your automobiles um we haven't yet um applied real
01:03:51.240world video from tesla to grok yet so i do emphasize xai is a fairly new company it's just a little
01:03:56.680over a year old um so we really need we have a lot of catching up to to companies relative to
01:04:01.160companies that have been around for five or 10 or 20 years we're cashing up fast I think with the
01:04:06.440velocity of improvement of XAI is faster than any other company out there we just completed the we
01:04:12.800just we were just able to install and bring online a massive new training center that we've like as
01:04:18.400mentioned we're building in in Memphis and it's from getting hardware installation to it beginning
01:04:23.720training was only 19 days and that's the fastest by far that I think we're our participant we've
01:04:29.240got a better chance hopefully of steering uh ai in the direction that is beneficial to humanity
01:04:33.880so why do you why okay so why do you trust yourself on that front just out of i mean
01:04:37.560that's an important question right i don't trust myself entirely good well that's yes fair enough
01:04:42.200okay but you're in an ethical conundrum right i love when he does that but also it does he is
01:04:50.920to his credit asking important questions but in like an excited way like like why you why do you0.92
01:04:58.720get to train the ai he's like i shouldn't okay well then what the fuck what are we doing here
01:05:04.320right because you said well this is happening now the excuse that something is happening is0.84
01:05:10.140not a rationale for participating in it but then your next take is well you know we have the chance
01:05:13.820to do this properly let's say maybe better okay i mean i think we the from our standpoint we really
01:05:21.100just need to think that maybe we've got a chance of it being um better uh to some degree than what
01:05:26.360others are doing and we you know we'll strive to avoid some of the pitfalls or directions that the
01:05:32.360others are going in um because the others from what i've seen do not strive for truth what do
01:05:37.200they strive for uh they strive for well they strive to give an answer but they they they are
01:05:43.380um i think trained to be politically correct um and the woke mind virus is woven in throughout
01:05:48.760them yeah i'm sure you've seen that yeah yeah well see the problem is and people have pointed
01:05:53.780this out before that the real issue is what the ai is being fed on so to say that okay the ai is
01:06:01.500corrupted by the woke mind virus well that in effect means that the internet is so are you
01:06:08.160are you solving the problem like where are you sourcing your data from and there's a lot of
01:06:12.300databases that will not grant you access because you know are you getting access to archives of
01:06:19.300information but not really it's from the same internet the thing the thing with gpt and with
01:06:25.420a lot of the mainstream llms the reason that they hobble themselves or rather the way that
01:06:32.800they hobble themselves and become woke is they have the model the model is trained on all of
01:06:37.960the data that they can get with this which is its own ethical question where is the data coming from
01:06:42.580did those people agree to it what rights were violated there but ignore that for a second
01:06:47.660Once you get the answer out of it, like, see, see, you say, give me, give me, give me the chart comparing the ethnic demographics of a state and its crime rate. Right. So a clean AI would just give you the answer. ChatGPT will actually produce that answer on the back end.
01:07:06.580But then what they do is they feed that answer into another LLM that has its own prompts.
01:07:12.680And the prompts say, search this for anything that's racially insensitive, remove it and rewrite.
01:21:53.460And if any spirituality does not serve that
01:21:55.540to maximize the amount of knowledge and practice,
01:21:58.860Because formerly, in the materialist sense, this would be increasing pleasure, or the liberal sense was like, we need to limit suffering, increase pleasure in all areas as high as possible.
01:22:09.280That's the only reason we're here.0.96
01:22:11.740And, you know, a lot of these sort of secular libertarian types have been like, well, that's just hedonistic, that clearly leads to suffering, that leads to fucking dopamine injectors going straight into your nervous system.0.99
01:22:26.860And there is a sort of cultural Christianity that's sweeping the entire, I don't know, political apparatus right now. And, you know, we talked about even someone like Nick Land, who's formerly a leftist, as far as I know, an atheist, but he's in his article about the canon wars, he was talking about sort of even Richard Dawkins are talking about like, look, Christianity is in the DNA of the European people, whether you like it or not.
01:22:54.040so we got to work with it and they're even uh dawkins is sort of like well i prefer it to islam
01:22:59.400i prefer it to what evil this woke this atheistic woke mob has wrought so they're they're tilting
01:23:06.240more towards christianity but not in any you know real way it's still like they're trying to admit
01:23:13.440that the fire that they started wasn't started by them you know i mean like i saw the the damnedest
01:23:20.560thing can i pull this up where is it where would it be if i can find this i think it was on telegram0.89
01:23:27.220shit you know what it was it was posted by mark collett mark collett of a patriotic alternative
01:23:33.260um he's been in the scene for a long time a lot of people really like his show i got i like mark0.92
01:23:39.260collett for what it's worth and uh early early on he had a clash with russell brand when russell
01:23:45.640brand was you know very very young and he had some some show and markolette was kind of just
01:23:51.900saying the same thing he's always been saying you know about mass migration about ethnic replacement
01:23:56.060things we're familiar with and russell brand was of course abhorrent you know that was disgusting0.90
01:24:02.020despicable we're a multicultural nation we don't need you i resign you to the dustbin of history
01:24:07.480and then it was like flash forward to now and russell brand is literally saying line for line0.99
01:24:11.640everything mark collett said back then all of these shit libs have come around saying like0.97
01:24:16.080look you can't just replace a culture with with all these people look where it's led us and i just0.95
01:24:23.040like for me i would love to see russell brand sit down with mark collett again but then there's all
01:24:27.840these other people looking at like look look at what i have birthed and they're trying to step
01:24:33.340away from it without claiming responsibility and that's what i don't like and this is what i've0.68
01:24:37.420said before like if you want to welcome any former shit lib into the circles like i need to hear a0.98
01:24:43.780fucking apology don't let's hear the apology and then throw them in a pit and then don't because0.99
01:24:49.460you don't need them you don't we do we have more than enough people we should get rid of some of1.00
01:24:52.840the people we have we have too many people already oh this is uh bill wilson if i was musk i'd be
01:24:59.320running a single man sperm bank you know i absolutely i run a single man sperm bank myself
01:25:05.200So that's grounded, at least in part, in a scientific framework, from the sounds of...
01:34:53.920How did you start to understand that one of the fundamental ethical problems
01:34:58.920is different than the scientific problem, one of the fundamental ethical problems
01:35:00.920that's plaguing the West is this catastrophically low birth rate?
01:35:03.920And, you know, when you started making public...
01:35:05.920I'm observing the numbers. I mean, I noticed this 20-plus years ago,
01:35:09.920that the the trend in birth rates for really all countries uh past certain level of economic
01:35:15.360development uh was trending to well below replacement uh if not already below replacement
01:35:19.680and if you extrapolate the curve which one always has to be cautious about extrapolating any
01:35:23.200demographic curve but if you if i just i always preface by saying if these trends continue yeah
01:35:29.680most countries will will dwindle into insignificance uh here's the thing that he could say that
01:35:36.240and i i would try to think of a way he would phrase this there's a way to phrase this from
01:35:41.040sort of a tech guy which is that it's not so much that every advanced nation is hitting the same
01:35:47.200birthright bottleneck so we haven't installed enough of those bottlenecks in africa
01:35:53.280that's all anyone anyone gives a about like people you know the the birth rate decline
01:35:57.600or you can call it birth rate normalization in a place like japan is one thing but really what
01:36:02.320everyone says is that we need to outpace all of the dysgenic biomass that seems to be replicating
01:36:08.160that's really it so i would love to see and be like i mean we actually haven't killed enough
01:36:13.780africans there's a genuine economic element to it like if we didn't for example like we have an
01:36:18.720indian problem in canada right if oh hey ca how you doing uh if we didn't have the if we didn't
01:36:25.000have the indian immigration in canada all of the economic problems that they describe which they
01:36:30.680use as an excuse for the immigration, they're real problems. Those are going to hurt. Unfunded
01:36:36.820pensions, not enough nurses for all the old age homes and the hospitals. These are real issues.
01:36:42.900So we have to actually look at that. You can say stabilization, but I don't know the actual
01:36:50.800demographic state of Japan. I thought they were declining, but stable would be okay.
01:36:54.920But you should have, let's put it this way, you should have an economy which is structured to
01:37:00.300allow for some fluctuations in you know you allow for for famine and flood you know you allow for
01:37:06.880demographic fluctuations our system is the exact opposite of that it's designed exclusively for
01:37:12.700extreme exponential growth in fact even under exponential growth we still do badly and now
01:37:18.960when we have not even we still have like gdp growth in canada but we're dying we're 10 years
01:37:25.840five years away from a bloody sectarian revolt in canada even under growth so it isn't about
01:37:32.360and i agree with you that from our perspective it is about how do we outpace the browns on birth
01:37:37.460rate but the the larger thing is how do we create a society which does not sell the children's
01:37:44.940future to pay the adults or the elders because that's what we've been doing for 100 years that's
01:37:50.800the reason i hate the mmt i don't want to get into that but like that's the issue do i also
01:37:56.100notice looking at this image this looks strikingly similar to sam hyde talking to nick rochefort
01:38:02.740like this set up these chairs like a weird low table and just a bunch of like shit in the
01:38:10.400background it's been like it just doesn't look right but it's not on purpose like the way they0.98
01:38:16.620would do it like just these like dog shit not like look how you have to sit for this interview0.98
01:38:22.880doesn't make sense how they're sitting yeah this is the worst interview setup you can ever you0.99
01:38:28.080should you should do an interview where we're both laying in hammocks and the camera is above us and
01:38:33.100we just talk that's the most annoying thing i ever saw so no one no one watching this has ever
01:38:40.920watched the podcast harman town that was hosted by dan harman but it was like one of the biggest
01:38:46.020podcasts for a while and he went on podcast tours had a documentary made before podcasts were even
01:38:52.120cool legitimately yeah like really really big and it was actually pretty good for like early early
01:38:57.480on anyway by the end of it he was such a bloated alcoholic that he created a huge set to host the
01:39:06.440podcast in because he just didn't want to go to the club anymore and he built it so it for every
01:39:13.100episode he was live he would bring in an audience and he was just lying in bed
01:39:17.420beautiful he would and just him with a mic in bed i'm like
01:39:24.800that doesn't look comfortable either like it seems very humiliating like that's his thing
01:39:29.520is humiliation i guess but like that's the extreme he's like i want to outdo louis ck
01:39:34.580i want to be the most hated man in america all right i'm just going to look up um
01:39:38.960here what we got el african population estimates are probably overshot nigeria is the best case
01:39:46.640they overestimate because their oil fund distributes money based on local population
01:39:50.740fair points can we even trust these numbers we go back to the point made earlier like
01:39:55.400how much of this data is skewed how much of this junk data for the purposes of manipulation let's
01:40:00.920take that a step further if they are if they primarily rely on western aid based on how poor
01:40:06.520and sick they are. Are they overreporting how poor and sick they are? Maybe it's actually
01:40:10.700great in Africa. There's not that many people. They're happy and healthy. They just got a good
01:40:14.700UNS, you know, uh, grift going on there. I'm looking at here, um, yell once again,
01:40:21.360following up, I think the population crash in the third world will be more steep once they have
01:40:26.120enough money. India and Bangladesh had a really steep decline recently. India is as low as the
01:40:32.340us now man that's music to my ears i'm so glad to hear that yeah exactly hey there's silver linings
01:40:38.960to every dark cloud here might completely die out so i've been thinking about that in relationship
01:40:44.260to sacred images okay okay well the sacred image that's the right response i've been thinking about
01:40:49.600this until huh okay sure how about you just respond to the thing that the other guy said
01:40:53.720instead of saying the thing you were gonna say anyways but just say i've been thinking of x and
01:40:57.820related to why no you weren't you're just you had one preloaded you have to fire it now like you
01:41:03.620think we haven't watched a fucking bad interview before jesus christ jordan i imagine like us0.87
01:41:08.400interviewing him just leaning back in the chair going what's forth like i've been thinking a lot0.92
01:41:14.300about um elon bust he's like okay we're saving that we're gonna interview him one day when he's
01:41:21.780like 70 you don't bust so it's it's elon musk but you love busting it's like uh-huh yeah yeah
01:41:28.860it's elon bust well you know and i've been thinking a lot about busting in relation to
01:41:32.980sacred images this whole thing is like one step off from just a run an episode that we would do
01:41:41.800in fact this exchange right here he's you and i'm jordan like like yeah like i've been reading
01:41:46.900stuff recently uh-huh yeah sure sounds interesting bud the masculinity in the west is a crucifixion
01:41:54.900but a man who's crucified but sacred image of a woman isn't a woman the sacred image of a woman
01:41:58.900is a woman and an infant right it's a dyad and not a monad right right right and in in the christian
01:42:04.580view those those two images you know they vie for supremacy right i mean obviously christ is
01:42:08.980the superordinate image but mary is the mother of god is sure what would be the female equivalent
01:42:14.180And so one of the things I've been playing with at an axiomatic level is the notion that unless the feminine is conceptualized as the combination of female and infant, then the culture has lost its attachment to the traditional sacred images and is probably on its way out.
01:46:47.260But like, essentially, you're taking all of this, all of the health, all of the spirit, the myth, everything that made it human and real and believable and workable on the long scale, you stripped all of that out, because you're an autistic weirdo with no foundation, you just have money, that's all you have. And it's not, and it's just, it's embarrassing to anybody on the outside, us poor proles who actually know how it feels to have faith and belief in a real thing.0.96
01:47:12.840well and this these are the limitations of ideology and systems thinking and when we
01:47:18.840discussed the book seeing like a state by i believe it was george scott or james scott
01:47:24.300um a fantastic book i think about it all the time and it was from i believe uh anarchist
01:47:30.940perspective but probably the best anarchist book i've ever read showing that uh how frequently
01:47:36.620state projects strip these sort of generative natural systems of everything that made them
01:47:45.440stable until and then in that process destroys them and this is everything from you know completely
01:47:51.780bulldozing these ancient cities that were built up over you know centuries into these grids
01:47:57.380to scientific forestry that eventually kills the forests so there's this idea that ideology
01:48:03.540and systems thinking will try and extract
02:04:23.760If the whole goal is entropy reduction, what would I mean by what is the system?
02:04:30.960You can make the claim, and this is the claim that's being made by the World Economic Forum,
02:04:37.460that by converting societies into what would they describe giga favelas you know that is a more
02:04:45.460stable system that has there's more unity in that there is more unity if we're all the exact same
02:04:52.520you know low iq mulatto color right so but it turns out that what you you don't just want
02:04:59.080stability you don't want something that's just anti-entropic because like the per an anti-entropic
02:05:05.700organism might be completely static it might be the lowest resolution organism so that's not even
02:05:12.040what you want you know i mean and that's one because i can't even say he's saying that from
02:05:16.220a christian perspective because i don't even think he's christian it's something else but yeah
02:05:19.620i would say it's it's not even about whether you land on the side of entropy or against entropy
02:05:25.680if you're talking about the organization of human civilization and you're talking about in terms of
02:05:31.860entropy i want to be far away from you to begin with like if you can't how is this that what you
02:05:38.320want to talk about you want to put it in terms of entropy haven't talked once about the actual
02:05:43.160human cost of any of this i know they get to it later in the interview but like the his main thing
02:05:48.360that he like sparks into his brain is let's talk about this in terms of neurodopinomological0.95
02:05:52.940something something in entropy like dude you're fucking you're so far gone lately think of it this0.97
02:05:58.440way so on one hand you could say the traditional view of the purpose of life the meaning of life0.99
02:06:06.100is to replicate life it's not just catholics that say that you know you need to be pro-life
02:06:11.580you need to be on the side of life and it's i mean yeah it's it's tautological yeah absolutely
02:06:18.480so so you could say that and that that includes the generational reproduction right there is
02:06:24.340a way to twist that into the, I am pro-life because I am in favor of prolonging every single
02:06:31.280individual life indefinitely. So you see how you can really invert that. You can be pro-life
02:06:37.240and make a transhumanist argument. And then what is life? You are prolonging life, but it becomes
02:06:44.240less human over time. You don't know what a thousand year old human is like. We can kind
02:06:48.200of predict that it'll be something other than human at that point. We kind of all know that
02:06:52.640deep down but definitionally it's still you know genetically human life but so you have to build
02:06:59.840into like okay when you say you're pro-life you have to make it sound like you're also pro-death
02:07:04.900to be pro-life you need to be pro-death because you need to let the life cycle what you are in
02:07:11.300favor of is the cycle of life not just life for the sake of life and how that cycle can be optimized
02:07:17.380over time, naturally, and generatively. And so that's really what you're saying. But if you
02:07:24.340don't have that component to the conversation, you get to transhumanism really fast. You get to all
02:07:29.040kinds of weird fucked up shit really fast. And so you have to be on the side of, they'll say,0.99
02:07:34.080on the side of tradition. Not really. That's like a catch-all phrase. You have to be on the side of
02:07:39.040what has been generated through your bloodline over centuries. And that's how you get back to
02:07:45.640the cities too the idea that you can come in and say i'm going to rip out the parts that i think
02:07:50.540are useful right now that is what leads to disaster but it's a disaster you're stuck with forever
02:07:55.800you're stuck with these shitty city designs you're stuck with your like scientific forestry because
02:08:00.940you kill that thing that got you there and that's kind of what the fear is because if you go along0.97
02:08:07.400that transhumanist pipeline long enough you're stuck there you can't go back there's never any0.94
02:08:12.200going back like what nick land said about the idea of the canon nothing can be removed from the
02:08:18.180canon the western canon what is the western canon certainly the bible isn't there but also lord of
02:08:25.260the rings also shakespeare probably a better example and batman that unfortunately that's
02:08:30.980the thing like you need to be very careful about what you elect into the canon and the canon could
02:08:37.040be fiction it could also be non-fiction because darwin's also darwin's also in there darwin and
02:08:43.940the bible are both in the western canon and now so is gay race communism yeah and that's the
02:08:49.860problem when you elect something to that high status in the canon and it gets codified over0.99
02:08:54.820multiple generations it's fucking there it's in your dna unfortunately so you have to keep moving0.76
02:09:00.140with it we need to figure out how to reconcile the fact that we're never removing darwinian0.98
02:09:06.020principles from our understanding of the universe along with the bible and along with shakespeare
02:09:10.880so what do we do with that yeah and then if if you made a decision to make that also batman0.98
02:09:15.940also gay batman and also all this other shit then then we got a problem on our hands anyway0.99
02:09:21.580hey you can run it for like two minutes i'm going to take a piss i'll be right back but just run0.99
02:09:26.160that something that's more complex there because the higher the goal that you're trying to attain
02:09:30.160the more intrinsic value each step while he's gone i just want to point out how hilarious it is that
02:09:35.340you're having these conversations with the graffiti cyber truck in the background like this was
02:09:40.620you can't be doing that you can't be taken seriously words it comprises and that's
02:09:45.500neuropsychologically accurate and so part of the wisdom of the sermon on the mount is that if you
02:09:52.060posit the highest imaginable goal then any step towards it is that captures your attention is
02:09:58.620also deeply meaningful and so that's an answer to what the meaning is of process rather than
02:10:02.540say something like 42 and you said it seems to me that you were intimating that your discovery
02:10:06.700through atoms that the question was the thing was key to the resolution of your existential crisis
02:10:11.100that's correct okay so that's part of the reason that you're motivated to say build grok 3 and
02:10:15.420look in look deeper to understand yeah yeah yeah understand the universe okay so once how old were
02:10:20.140you when you figured that when you figured out that the question 13 or something what did that
02:10:23.580do to you what did that do to you well i was i was a lot happier after that um because now it's like
02:10:29.020okay well i'm just going to accept that we are ignorant of a great many things yeah and we wish
02:10:32.780to be less ignorant um and anything we can do uh that will improve our understanding of the
02:10:37.420universe and make us less it's an interesting thing to say that i want to i need to understand
02:10:44.460the truth and but i need a machine to help me do that i need a machine like after reading everything
02:10:50.460after filling your young mind with the great religious texts and most likely other texts he's
02:10:57.180like i still haven't found it i need him i need i need to build something to find it i'm like
02:11:01.320i i don't think what you're looking for is truth you know we use these words we use these
02:11:08.100these words that are evocative you know who is who's anti-truth no one's anti-truth but like
02:11:14.540what do you mean by truth i'm not sure i'm not sure what you mean by that like you're looking
02:11:18.980for the schematic of the universe but like what do you mean by truth is it really spiritual this
02:11:23.800thing you're looking for it's definitely not it's definitely not and they've been they've been
02:11:28.220combining that from the beginning and it's kind of it's frustrating right because it's like
02:11:32.020you're looking for truth by pushing and trying to become like a pioneer in ways that have never
02:11:37.900been done before and it seems like you haven't really bothered to explore the whole you know
02:11:43.600myriad systems that existed previously i'm not saying that they're all right but i mean you're
02:11:48.580not even you don't even fucking care in most cases the thing that you're doing is specifically
02:11:53.120antithetical to our own heritage so i remember i saw this interview with jordan pearson um because0.93
02:12:00.920back to the christianity thing uh someone asked him straight up do you believe in heaven
02:12:05.240that's a big one you know most christians believe in heaven and he looked very serious
02:12:11.100for a while and looked down as he does and he said i believe your actions echo through eternity
02:12:17.480something like that and everyone's like no the answer is no he said do you believe in heaven
02:12:22.460he reiterated the question he's like that's the closest answer i can give i'm like well
02:12:25.880it's either yes or no that is a binary question yes it sounds like no and it sounds like that's
02:12:30.860kind of a dodge to say because you could substitute in your lineage for that like your decision of
02:12:36.300every fucking decision reverberates you know that's also an argument for the ether by the way0.75
02:12:42.320listen to the space age maximalist interview we did if people want to know a bit more about that0.96
02:12:46.540very very good stuff but it's like that's a non-answer to the point but if you said yes that
02:12:52.820you believe in heaven you could actually really peer down into your understanding of the afterlife
02:12:58.800why is there an afterlife the idea that you can be denied access to the afterlife is important and
02:13:06.040again we come back to at the core of these belief systems there is a prohibitive angle to it you
02:13:13.160what i mean like there are people that don't get to go to heaven that's important you know there
02:13:17.900there is a reward system for in the sense being on the side of life you get eternal life by being
02:13:23.480on the side of life that's where you're putting at it but it's not like what he's saying like you
02:13:28.200know if you search for meaning and move towards meaning that's god no that's that that's like a
02:13:35.140secular that's a secularization to the point where you've completely stripped it of its real meaning
02:13:40.220And I thought you had the bone of utility as it's nothing.
02:13:43.820That is the death of the church right there too.
02:13:46.580Like if you have a normative system that people can work within and kind of, especially for men, can kind of struggle for, it's not like, it's not like competitive in the sense that I want to, I want to be the best, I'm going to be the best Christian.
02:14:01.600No, it's like, there are rules and I follow the rules and I'm rewarded for following the rules.
02:14:07.160that's the normative system and life is stable when i follow the rules but if you the system
02:14:11.880then changes where other people who don't follow the rules have just as stable a life as me well0.97
02:14:17.720then why am i following these fucking rules dude like your system loses all power so of course if0.97
02:14:23.000you're going to say well actually you know if as long as you're searching for truth and you're0.99
02:14:26.360really trying hard then you go to heaven and heaven is really just the long-term impact that
02:14:31.000you have on people in the future it's not even like ethereal it's actually manifested but you
02:24:01.560I never actually asked that question before. That's an interesting question, because a lot of people would assume that just maximizing our knowledge for the sake of it seems to go without saying, like, why wouldn't you do that?
02:24:15.520But it never occurred to me that, well, that's the unimpeded growth of any system exponentially, and it would be exponentially. Why wouldn't it be exponentially? That's unsustainable.
02:24:28.440and if you don't if you don't believe that's unsustainable you're destined for ruin yeah
02:24:33.540and does that was what i'm saying makes sense you know i'm it's getting kind of late i don't
02:24:38.140know what i'm talking no i agree i mean i think that's kind of the core of a lot of what we've
02:24:41.760been saying all night it's this kind of hubris with systems thinking where you find something
02:24:47.900that works one time and then you think yeah i don't need to listen to my ancestors or the people
02:24:52.700around me or i don't need to listen to the the dominant theory i'm just going to make up a new
02:24:56.860fucking thing and i'm gonna apply this thing to everything and i'm gonna stop ironically i'm gonna
02:25:02.140stop taking new inputs if any of the new inputs disagree with my new system they have to be0.97
02:25:07.560thrown away because the people have to be made to fit the system so yeah well it also meshes with the
02:25:13.040fukiyama concept of the end of history where if you believe that you are the apex of your entire
02:25:21.700bloodline like you are the best you're the smartest you actually don't need to learn anything
02:25:26.280from the past i i don't think you have the i don't think you have the tools or the processes to
02:25:33.380moderate this expansion that will spell your doom you know i mean in three-dimensional space
02:25:39.260my perspective is i feel blessed living in current year because there is so much history behind me
02:25:47.580i could literally live a natural life and never even scratch the surface of everything that my
02:25:52.880ancestors have to teach me like i have honestly no desire whatsoever to discover what is new
02:26:00.460until i run out of figuring out things that are already you know what i mean i want to know what
02:26:05.740is not what could be just tell me how good how dare you try to figure out what is before you
02:26:11.420even know i don't know just it's this yeah i'm sorry i'm sorry keep in mind like nasim taleb
02:26:17.180in uh you know he's the originator of the whole black swan event idea um and and he had this
02:26:24.020interesting quote when we covered the black swan book he says and this is how a lot of statesmen
02:26:29.960view the world and technologists it's that there's like an ocean of these black box technologies out
02:26:37.680there you don't know when you're going to find it you don't know what's in them but it's a constant
02:26:42.300race to be the first to discover them call them like known unknowns we know that at some point
02:26:48.060in the future there's quantum computing we know at some point in the future there's some way to
02:26:52.620harness the energy of a star we just we don't know how to get there just yet but we know that must be
02:26:57.180possible and so we know there's like it's almost like um what's the fossil fuels thing a peak oil
02:27:04.220or something there's like peak innovation there is a a zero-sum amount of innovations that can
02:27:11.020be discovered and we must race to discover them as wide as broadly and as quickly as possible
02:27:17.260and i think if i could do what i'm not supposed to be doing which is you know summarize the
02:27:23.180through line of spirituality and religion it's like you need a system that tells you that not
02:27:29.180every single black box should be discovered yes that not not every not every discovery should be
02:27:35.740made and how can you tell which ones to avoid it's not because of an abstract morality necessarily
02:27:41.940insofar as morality is also a eugenic system a morality guides your your life maximization in
02:27:51.180the future like this what we're talking about is the destruction of your genes like you can
02:27:56.460discover something that kills you and all humans and if you if you don't believe that such a thing0.99
02:28:02.500exists i'm worried about you aiming the fire hose of capital of the world's fucking capital0.99
02:28:09.340in whatever you can because you don't believe that in worst case scenarios like that and maybe he0.97
02:28:14.640does maybe this is public elon and then there's you know backroom elon maybe hey i i don't because
02:28:23.040i don't have access to this higher strat of society but i i would explain the utility of
02:28:30.120spirituality and religion to people like that like you you can't believe that just even
02:28:34.580intellectual expansion in every single direction will is just the destiny of everyone that's kind
02:28:41.780of like saying like the purpose of politics is just endless discourse there must be a guide to
02:28:47.520that there must be a point where the discourse is over the experiment ends we've reached a conclusion
02:28:53.620we've reached everything we can learn and there's a yes or a no or a red light or a green light and
02:28:58.560you learn something it can't just be endless learning there needs to be some kind of end
02:29:04.060point or direction yeah your direction can't be every direction anyway i'm just repeating myself
02:29:08.700no it's like you say oh the the journey the journey is the destination it's like well not
02:29:13.540really that's just something that the wine moms say the destination is the destination if you're
02:29:18.740literally just journeying you're journeying and that's embarrassing for you so when i say this0.95
02:29:24.320like i'm saying this without saying that elon is dumb i don't think he's dumb or he's evil i don't0.90
02:29:28.560think he's evil i don't think you know like whatever people criticize him for i'm not the
02:29:33.520elon critic i'm not an elon fan uh fanboy you know but i there's more of him that i like than
02:29:40.320dislike however i do think this is something this itself is an emergent phenomenon that's affecting
02:29:45.940a lot of very important influential people yeah that's what i'm talking about and maybe elon is
02:29:51.920the one who can remove himself from that no maybe he's the only i don't know but i'm trying to be
02:29:56.580optimistic for once but anyway a very long time yeah yeah likely forever right exactly so depending
02:30:03.580on how powerful grok turned out to be yeah so that's uh so then i thought okay i'll work on
02:30:09.700things that uh improve our understanding of the universe um i know now they said like at a base
02:30:15.620level well um this is why i i actually think we want a population increase uh because uh population
02:30:22.340increase means that there are more people um that we've expanded uh the scale more brains man yeah
02:30:28.260we've expanded the scale of consciousness um to the degree there are different cultures we've
02:30:31.780expanded the scope of consciousness so that there's um okay so i read something here i talked to this
02:30:37.460gentleman who done a biography of marx i read something recently have you heard of harry potter
02:30:42.420can you imagine here it comes and he went and looked at marx's poetry and drama that he wrote
02:30:46.900before he wrote the communist manifesto and he found out something very interesting okay
02:30:50.500he found out that marx's favorite quote from goethe was a statement by mephistopheles it's
02:30:56.180a very specific statement and it's a very key statement mephistopheles motivation so lucifer's
02:31:02.580motivation is predicated on this argument said consciousness is nothing but consciousness of
02:31:08.580pain and misery life is short and brutal and pointless therefore it would be better if
02:31:13.460consciousness itself was eradicated sounds like hobbs yeah well i had a little yorkshire terrier
02:31:19.700who was um uh nasty brutish and short so i named him hobs perfect perfect well i think it's i think
02:31:26.260it's even deeper than hobbs because hobbs seemed to understand that life without social order would
02:31:30.820degenerate into that but and you know we need to get going soon but maybe we'll end on this like
02:31:35.380they're i understand what they're saying about nihilism because we discussed um nihilism uh we
02:31:42.080talked about thomas lagatti's book the conspiracy against the human race which i would recommend if
02:31:46.360anyone wants to understand a truly nihilistic point of view read that and thomas lagatti is a
02:31:52.680very a popular author especially in our spaces especially if you're into horror fiction but you
02:31:58.400know he he tries to break it down and he is anti-life very openly he's anti-life he thinks
02:32:03.620life is a mistake and anything that promotes or sustains life should be stood against the irony
02:32:09.600being that he's also anti-suicide because ending your life would be too affirmative
02:32:16.420or something like you you need to be you need to be alive to maximize your negativity towards life
02:32:23.620that's how he views it so there there are nihilists out there and there is there's the open
02:32:28.360you know vehement nihilist then there's the creeping nihilism that enraptures everyone else
02:32:33.040okay so they have crafted this in opposition to nihilism which they see as entropy and i think
02:32:40.060what i'm trying to get at is that this can also invite entropic forces this worldview that they
02:32:46.260have which is very optimistic towards life which is very pro-expansion which is very pro-propagate
02:32:52.860life as aggressively as possible so i hey i get a lot of that just like bronze age pervert and
02:32:59.740his writing. It's like, I see your starting point. I like certain things. I recognize how you got
02:33:06.220there. What I'm trying to explain is that I'm looking at where you're headed. And I think that
02:33:12.760actually leads to more suffering and decay. So that's where I think we differ. And you don't
02:33:17.740need to throw everything out with that. There's certain things in here that you can latch onto.
02:33:22.820and i i understand how they got there however i don't think this is it it is it's anti nihilistic
02:33:30.780in the sense that it's just the light version of nihilism if that makes any sense it actually
02:33:38.300comes out of the exact same birth if anyway if i i believe it i hope that came across well
02:33:45.960before we go we need to end now because we've been going for over two and a half hours um i
02:33:51.680wanted to end on a good note you know what not even a good note just something that has really
02:33:57.660like i can't stop thinking about this because it makes me feel like i'm insane so it's going
02:34:04.660to feel like a gear shift but you remember angelina jolie yeah i remember angelina jolie
02:34:12.820everyone knows angelina jolie everyone she's brought up for the sexiest woman alive for
02:34:18.500Big lips. Remember a single issue voter is the big lips.
02:34:21.900Yeah. And someone had pointed out on Twitter, you know, one of the, you know, woman guys on Twitter.
02:34:30.180Right. They're saying that, you know, Angelina Jolie was never hot.
02:34:33.720This is part of a larger discourse about heroin chic, you know, the trend of women being really, really skinny and sunken eyed and unhealthy looking and how that was popularized by like a gay fashion guy.
02:34:46.740so it was like an anti-woman thing anyway i won't get into that but they were making the case that
02:34:51.460and angelina jolie was never hot you know look at you look at angelina jolie and you think now
02:34:56.980of course but i want to show you this let me make sure everything's okay here okay
02:35:04.580now look at this look at young angelina jolie so you got like
02:35:08.980modern angelina jolie but i think she's always kind of looked up
02:35:16.740you know what i mean like unless she's caked in makeup and i was like okay well look here's
02:35:21.540here's her now like she's kind of weird looking but then like there's like younger versions of her
02:35:28.660like she looks like that that's a younger angelina jolie we've had this conversation
02:35:34.500look at her look at her look at her from the like this is this is vintage jolie you know
02:35:39.380you know what it is that's margot robie yeah no i know but it's the same story
02:35:44.020where there's women who have the correct i think her and robie both have the right
02:35:50.820proportions from like an autistic standpoint but there's things about their complexion
02:35:58.100and the thinness of their face like i don't think she looks that bad there to be honest with0.99
02:36:02.500are you like really she looks like ill and fucked up doesn't she not i don't know she looks sick0.97
02:36:09.540chat she looks italian okay it says it says we're back on youtube for some reason0.99
02:36:18.320we're back on youtube we stopped talking about peter maybe it's the peterson thing they don't
02:36:23.360want us to broadcast okay we i just checked we are back on youtube we can talk about has-been
02:36:29.860actresses but okay look at this young look at this is or is that her is that someone who looks
02:36:35.780like her i'm making the case angelina jolie is not as hot as you remember are we this look at
02:36:42.480this i look i don't have a frame of reference are we saying that she's ugly or are we saying
02:36:46.960she's not the most beautiful woman on earth because like i'm agreeing she's not like peak
02:36:51.480look at this look at this look at that she looks there's something off because does she look like
02:36:57.520the most beautiful woman in the world i'm not saying she is i'm just saying like you're saying0.84
02:37:00.800oh she's ugly she looks like a heroin addict no not really i mean yeah well she does i was at the
02:37:05.860grocery store recently i i don't think i saw anyone who's as pretty as she is in that photo0.96
02:37:09.920but she's not the most beautiful woman on earth sag awards flashback you think that doesn't look
02:37:15.180look this is a weird photo yeah she doesn't it's yeah oh no this i we're gonna stay on this for
02:37:21.320another three hours if i need to what else we got here it's hard to find ones that aren't
02:37:25.600some of these are really bad like i agree the the recent ones especially with all the plastic
02:37:29.540surgery and everything are quite bad if you look at always the sunken eyes yeah and this is the
02:37:35.700heroin chic i'm talking about like there was a while where this was seen like this kind of sickly
02:37:40.440woman i think there's an element of it that's emergent just because these people they are
02:37:45.160genuinely sickly people and like the the sickness of the spirit represents itself physically right
02:37:51.160like these are awful awful people and then they have to get sold because they are just products
02:37:56.620and a byproduct of that is that we learn to love the look of the most sick people um because yeah
02:38:03.900i mean i i think that the meme about you know there's prettier girls at the wendy's drive-thru
02:38:07.640than in hollywood that's there's there is truth to that there is truth but also when's the last
02:38:12.660time any of these people been to a wendy's drive-thru oh i'm talking about in the 90s
02:38:16.360i went to drive-thrus in the 90s they didn't invent you guys not go to wendy's drive-thru