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00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be

00:00:07.760 blood satellite okay well prim what do you you can bake bread in the in the woods if you got a

00:00:22.640 pan and you have a cover it you can make bread anywhere okay okay like you like you don't think

00:00:29.020 you can make bread anywhere you're the type of guy who's like oh i could i could build a house

00:00:32.660 with my ass oh i could i could i'm just i don't know if um mr bookman could that's all any other

00:00:40.320 situation you become me like yeah i could fucking slaughter a cow in my sleep in the dark and i

00:00:44.660 could make a fucking i could make a steak sandwich with my with my sick disgusting you know what

00:00:49.020 here's the thing i don't think people know this you're the one who could slaughter a cow

00:00:52.560 or you could butcher it at least you actually know where all the fucking cuts are don't you

00:00:56.240 I don't. I don't know shit.

00:00:58.640 I am confident here.

00:00:59.980 You got me.

00:01:00.600 Here's what I could.

00:01:01.740 I'm giving you a compliment.

00:01:03.680 I could string it up.

00:01:04.640 I could gut it and I could skin it.

00:01:07.180 But I wouldn't know how to butcher it.

00:01:09.520 Here's the thing.

00:01:10.220 I was going to give you a compliment.

00:01:11.920 I've cycled back to giving you an insult.

00:01:13.760 I don't know if you know how to gut a cow.

00:01:16.360 Like just hanging in front of you.

00:01:18.100 I think it would prove probably to be more complicated than you think.

00:01:22.400 I've watched a bunch of videos on gutting cows and pigs.

00:01:24.760 and most mammals are kind of the same like i know how to gut small mammals pretty well

00:01:29.700 but i mean yeah i'm assuming gutting a cow is just the same but it's enormous so you're gonna

00:01:34.780 make a big fucking mess but yeah imagine you you've got it somehow but by some miracle you

00:01:40.260 have it suspended vertically an entire steer you got the fucking knife and you're just kind of

00:01:45.420 gesturing do it looking at me like the the guts this is the guts here it are right here that's

00:01:50.200 probably weigh more than me it's probably huge fucking guts uh i actually do yeah just for the

00:01:55.520 people who don't know i did take a class on this when i went to culinary school we had a butchery

00:02:00.620 class and that was easily my favorite class so imagine like sitting in a room actually the um

00:02:06.760 the entire room where we did this was in a classroom that was built into a walk-in cooler

00:02:13.880 nice so if you've ever been to a giant like walk-in fridge imagine that it's just a room

00:02:19.020 with like desks and stuff that could accommodate easily like 40 people and then yeah like the class

00:02:26.080 was the professor of here's the part of the pig that's most delicious and here's the part of the

00:02:32.560 cow they could throw away trick question none of it so then you know i mean they probably taught

00:02:38.460 you all about the whole dry aging thing hey i fight with with the boomers in my life about

00:02:42.920 this regularly they're convinced that the best the best beef the best beef is as fresh as you

00:02:48.440 can fucking get it and i'm like i don't know man i i like fresh beef but a little bit of age on it

00:02:55.280 does give it a little bit tenderness let's let's set up camp here you're arguing with people who

00:03:00.780 think dry aged beef isn't the best yeah i thought it was recognized that okay again i don't i don't

00:03:07.580 want to i don't want to dunk on my dad you know i love my dad but he's got this thing i think it's

00:03:12.540 from being like a poor kid with depression also make sure you're close to the mic in case you're

00:03:16.860 not so my dad was a poor kid with depression era parents and he's got this thing where he's

00:03:21.080 terrified of meat that's even is like remotely red so he thinks you're going to get botulism

00:03:27.760 and you're going to get this and that i know this yeah and and i'm like you know if you just leave

00:03:33.180 like with beef if when it's fresh and it's sterile and you just leave it out in a controlled

00:03:38.360 environment for like even a couple of days you can even wet age in a container in your fridge

00:03:43.500 for like a week and it's like no that's gonna rot i'm like it's not gonna rot if it was sterile

00:03:47.400 it's okay and it's gonna you know the and the enzymes and shit are gonna break down in those

00:03:52.460 cells you're gonna get a little bit of tenderness it's gonna change the flavor profile no it's

00:03:55.980 dangerous parasites well also it's like you know i'm not not to again not dunking on your father

00:04:02.480 i am i'm the original respecter of your dad yeah i'm the first guy who was talking talking this

00:04:10.280 guy up or even me that is a boomer thing that i hear a lot um they that was a generation that

00:04:18.640 liked well done steak yeah for a guy like him i i think the way to introduce this idea to him

00:04:27.220 is through cheese because like if he i don't know if he likes brie you know i mean if he

00:04:34.340 oh you had brie well all that stuff on the outside that's mold yeah you're eating mold

00:04:39.900 and that's that is the best part yeah like in the entire process of creating cheese is

00:04:45.480 bacteria and mold and controlled rotting in specific conditions and then it's good for

00:04:52.280 you and it's delicious and you like it right he's that special kind of boomer who likes

00:04:56.640 extremely fine scotch and bourbon and expensive cuban cigars but also well done steaks and

00:05:03.560 Kraft dinner like I don't think he actually likes cheese now that I think of it in fact I'd never

00:05:09.460 even had good like European cheese until I went to Europe and then when I was living in Hong Kong

00:05:14.680 even in Hong Kong there's way but you know this there's there's not a lot of like good cheese in

00:05:19.400 Canada you got to go out of your way to find the good cheese if if I had only had well done steak

00:05:25.180 I wouldn't like steak same same I you know it's like covered in steak spice and fried something

00:05:31.580 we have to prepare just like regular beef or something i still to this day i'm not like i

00:05:36.760 like steak but like i'm not hankering for steak because i just haven't had that many good steaks

00:05:41.160 in my life most of the steak i've had in my life has been prepared by my family and it's been

00:05:45.460 not good so i'm like i would on most of the time i'd rather have like some ham or chicken or

00:05:50.680 something just be or fish i fucking love fish because we always had good fish but like growing

00:05:56.200 up i think the first time i had like a properly prepared steak i was already like 19 so

00:06:00.880 but also i bet they wouldn't because when i cook salmon we'll do it on the rare side too

00:06:06.360 and oh yeah sushi's on the table for this guy i mean some of this stuff you can almost eat it raw

00:06:11.020 you just you just want to get it very lightly done fish even fried done correctly it still

00:06:17.040 keeps the texture and the other thing with fish too this is another i'm not maybe a lot of fishermen

00:06:22.280 anglers might know this but like if you are just some dope who okay now i don't want to be a jerk

00:06:28.400 but like if you club your fish or you put your fish on a stringer you get the same kind of like

00:06:33.540 gamey shitty fishy flavor in the fish but if you kill the fish by destroying its brain breaking

00:06:40.220 like breaking down a spinal cord and and uh and cutting its its uh what's it called like it's

00:06:47.400 not its throat the fucking cutting its neck essentially and letting it bleed out into fresh

00:06:52.200 water flowing water in a certain order it pumps all of the blood out of the fish and the blood

00:06:57.940 is the part that goes rancid and you get this really really fresh delicious tasting fish and

00:07:02.140 this is the way they do sushi so you could do that to fish that you catch you can't do this

00:07:07.360 the fish you get in the grocery store that's why it tastes totally different but the if you catch

00:07:11.460 fish and you do that to it it tastes totally different yeah yeah and you know what's funny

00:07:17.040 i saw this show because i love watching survival shows but it's this one called alone and um one

00:07:23.920 thing i learned from watching this show and even the contestants on it the show's premise is that

00:07:29.020 your contestants they have a camera and they're thrown just in the alaskan wilderness and they

00:07:34.740 compete it's not even like a team versus again it's just like you'd survive as long as you can

00:07:40.240 and then it's over when you cry when you call for help because you think what was this called

00:07:44.880 somebody was talking about this the other day it's called alone i'm pretty oh yeah okay okay

00:07:48.860 yeah and it's set in alaska this season there's some deal alaska has with these channels where

00:07:55.080 everything's set they just dump people in alaska with cameras and see what happens

00:07:58.460 but uh the one thing i learned from watching this show is because you're thinking okay first thing

00:08:04.660 i gotta build a shelter i gotta do all this stuff um you know get a fire going the people who

00:08:11.420 immediately try to go big game hunting fail it's because you don't have a gun right you're like

00:08:17.940 okay i can whittle myself a bow and arrow and a spear and i'm gonna go hunt a moose that's

00:08:24.260 ridiculous right um and the people who start going after varmints and chipmunks and squirrels

00:08:32.020 they seem to get sick a lot like and even if they cook the meat there's just something about that

00:08:39.240 meat where there's there's parasites that are hard to cook off and they end up shitting themselves

00:08:44.400 until they radio for a helicopter to come get them

00:08:47.800 because they've shit and puked so much.

00:08:50.080 The people who make it the longest

00:08:51.820 are the ones who immediately go and get fish.

00:08:54.420 And I've seen every single type of way to get fish.

00:08:57.120 And to your point,

00:08:58.760 everyone thinks they're clever

00:09:00.540 when they set up like a fish trap

00:09:02.740 and they leave and they come back later

00:09:04.860 to gather up just dead fish.

00:09:06.880 And those are the ones that get in trouble.

00:09:09.160 Guys who get to,

00:09:10.100 oh, I got this massive lake trout.

00:09:12.440 and then he goes after the fish eggs in there the fish eggs the first thing to go bad of course

00:09:17.820 yeah of course and now and now once again i don't know how many scenes of guys shitting their brains

00:09:22.820 out i've seen it's enough to give me insight on how to do fish so yeah like to get fish get it

00:09:29.260 fresh and don't like whittle yourself a a stick spear like a child and go hunting like a caribou

00:09:36.760 and here's one thing i noticed about that show uh from what i've seen every single woman on this

00:09:45.080 show has a story about how back home they were a master fisherman oh yeah oh yeah and and without

00:09:51.640 fail they never catch a fish i know and the same phrase gets uttered every time it's like i don't

00:09:58.880 know what's wrong woman alert well this is this is the thing i'm always poking at my mom like i look

00:10:07.040 i'm not i am far from an experienced fisherman i've more or less just been picking it up in the

00:10:10.860 last year and a half since i've been back but my mom for the longest time has been like all about

00:10:15.480 the fishing but the thing is the only thing that she does is she takes her boat up to cottage

00:10:20.500 country and like a hand maybe one of like six lakes that they know well and they go to these

00:10:25.640 holes in the lakes during bass season and they hunt bash with the same lures and they've been

00:10:29.800 doing it for 15 years and that's all they catch and there are stories that don't involve bass

00:10:35.140 involve her catching things that aren't bass and saying well i didn't want that so i threw it back

00:10:39.740 and but but i don't want to talk to her like it's part of her personality is yeah i'm a i'm a fisher

00:10:47.440 woman and i love to fish and we're great at this and like she's got her bass pro hat and everything

00:10:52.420 it's like you're pretty good look you're good at catching bass i won't deny it but like i was i

00:10:57.360 was just trying to catch trout in the stream here and she's like oh i've never done that i wouldn't

00:11:01.360 know anything about that i'm like you've been you're like 60 and all you're talking about is

00:11:05.080 fishing and you've never caught a trout like there's this creek like we live near each other

00:11:09.280 this creek is like 10 minutes from where she's lived for 30 years so i'm a master fisherman at

00:11:14.540 this type of fish in this specific area that is so fucking funny but i would never utter the

00:11:23.720 phrase master fisherman that would be like me just going like skeet shooting and i'm pretty

00:11:29.240 good at it it's like yeah that's like i'm a gun caught a guy you know i could like take down a

00:11:35.340 fucking seal team good the other thing i thought this was kind of a i i don't piss on this because

00:11:41.080 i actually do i do enjoy this sometimes but we go out on the boat with them they've got the

00:11:45.400 min which is like it's like a little electronic motor you drop over the front of the boat and

00:11:50.180 it can go in any direction so it almost makes the boat like a robot it can control it from

00:11:55.180 remote control or through ai and they have it hooked into the fish finder with like a map of

00:11:59.960 their lakes because they go to always the same lakes so once they get in the water they just

00:12:04.300 put their they put their rods in the water and they hit go on the ai on the min and they just

00:12:10.040 takes them in like a it's essentially like a boomer bus tour of the lake it sounds like a

00:12:15.640 grand theft auto mission essentially yeah like and then for like an hour and a half you can just

00:12:21.400 sit on the back of the boat and not even look at the controls and just fish off the side as the

00:12:27.160 boat slowly just follows this route on its own so it's like all you're doing the entire time

00:12:33.040 is just i mean it's fishing right but i don't know i just i like how advanced technology can

00:12:39.960 effectively transform life into a series of side missions yes yes it is like i want to do fishing

00:12:46.880 but i want to i want to get to the next thing i want to get to the main quest let's let's is there

00:12:51.080 a game shark for this fucking hobby of mine yeah it's called dynamite it's called magnets because

00:12:58.200 the whole idea of actually catching the fish was the skill involved if you just at a certain point

00:13:03.360 you are just buying fish well that that was my thing right like again i don't want to piss on

00:13:08.520 them too much but like for me it was exciting like i've fished a lot of bass with them but

00:13:12.240 i've never fished trout so it's like okay let's research like times a day and lures and temperature

00:13:16.400 of the water and depth and environment and like where do they like to hide and like if you're

00:13:20.540 fishing a pool versus if you're fishing like cover like what do you want to what do you do

00:13:24.980 in these situations and i'm talking to other people and i'm like out at the um i was out at

00:13:29.400 the jetty and i was talking to a guy about and kind of getting his opinion and everybody says

00:13:33.020 something different like it's that's kind of the fun part right but then with their and maybe again

00:13:37.500 it's just their age but then them doing it it's like no we just do this same this one same thing

00:13:43.020 over and over and over and like she even gave me a whole bunch of her lures because she's like oh

00:13:47.720 i have these i haven't used these in 15 years and i'm like yeah because it's like it's a bunch of

00:13:50.980 crankbait and stuff like you would never use because your boat never goes faster than you

00:13:55.140 know three knots so and you've got a droid to help you and again like if you remove all that

00:14:03.320 stuff you mentioned i don't really know what fishing is then like it is just like okay i'm

00:14:08.000 gonna go out and like pull a fish in like it was too like part of the whole like guys don't really

00:14:15.460 have hobbies guys have these engineered scenarios where they just have an excuse to bullshit

00:14:20.740 yeah like going hunting is just a big excuse to hang out and bullshit and drink and smoke

00:14:26.000 cigarettes we have no we've gone coyote hunting this summer like four times and i haven't i

00:14:30.960 haven't even fucking seen a coyote but i i don't care it's because you get to go and dress up and

00:14:36.100 get the guns out and if you don't catch anything you can always shoot in the air and yeah you go

00:14:41.840 shoot an air whoever yeah shit the trees or passing cars or you go hunting for a whitetail

00:14:48.640 and just end up doing lib ownership.

00:14:56.260 I'm sorry if I sound sluggish

00:14:58.380 and unentertaining and

00:15:00.280 hacky and short

00:15:02.560 this episode. I just had a big piece

00:15:04.620 of cake. Nice.

00:15:07.000 Whose birthday was it?

00:15:08.260 It was Nichols' birthday.

00:15:11.100 Dime's child's birthday.

00:15:12.440 Oh shit. No, it is

00:15:14.620 his six month birthday.

00:15:16.920 And it is

00:15:18.620 an event that his mother

00:15:21.160 was very passionate about.

00:15:25.020 Non-stop ass rape!

00:15:27.040 So there was balloons.

00:15:29.700 There was balloons

00:15:30.940 that I got. I went out

00:15:33.040 and got helium fucking

00:15:34.880 filled balloons. Did they have balloons that say

00:15:36.820 six months on them? You could get

00:15:39.080 the number six and then you could auto-complete

00:15:41.240 the rest.

00:15:43.920 How old's your little

00:15:45.280 one? Because everyone calls them little ones now.

00:15:47.080 I'm not looking for a fight with these bitches.

00:15:50.800 And we got a cake and the grandparents came over and we got pizza.

00:15:54.380 And that's why I was there for the pizza.

00:15:56.380 I was also there for my son, but, you know, primarily for the pizza.

00:16:01.240 Yeah.

00:16:02.160 Also, because you were there because it's your house.

00:16:04.860 It is the place that I live at.

00:16:09.360 Oh, times I'm so glad you came.

00:16:11.280 It's like, yeah, well, it's my living room.

00:16:13.180 Well, I could be in the basement.

00:16:14.720 I could just hang out here.

00:16:15.940 you know it's like where and it's a lot of i don't want to talk about it they're asking where

00:16:20.900 where's where's dive it's like it doesn't matter where he is look who came up from his cave

00:16:26.660 your wife said well well well look who came out of his cave just me walking

00:16:34.840 Shut up

00:16:38.260 That's my pizza

00:16:40.880 Talking to Judas

00:16:42.980 We're going

00:16:46.720 Memes

00:16:47.900 Michelle Obama's pregnant

00:16:50.260 I'm looking at Michelle Obama

00:16:55.040 She's gay, she's pregnant

00:16:56.680 She's got back muscles

00:16:58.680 Me coming out of the basement

00:17:00.740 Wearing a trench coat

00:17:02.080 Talking about that

00:17:04.040 i'm busy looking at michelle obama being pregnant but it's ai you've got sunglasses on and also

00:17:11.180 sunglasses around your neck on a cord these fucking photos are great though like the joke

00:17:18.800 here is that i am also describing my life in this bit yeah i know i i'm quite literally in the

00:17:25.140 basement looking at photos of michelle obama pregnant and wishing beyond all measure that

00:17:32.640 it wasn't a fake but it is i just love that someone would fake this yeah i love i love fake

00:17:40.960 shit that doesn't need a reason like this the tweet was someone posted breaking michelle obama

00:17:47.620 silences all conspiracy theorists and demands a universal apology after finally releasing growing

00:17:54.520 glowing pregnancy photos when she was expecting sasha and malia and everyone pointed out it's

00:18:00.560 Like, she looks, in these photos, she looks like she's 55.

00:18:04.680 Well, the photo, I don't know what the context of that tweet was,

00:18:07.460 but there's no way those photos are real.

00:18:10.020 Also, I'm looking now, she has six fingers on each hand.

00:18:14.120 Yeah, like, she's not, it's fucking not real, man.

00:18:16.940 I know, I know it's not real, I'm just wishing it was real.

00:18:21.680 Like, I'm on Snopes and there's a big fake, but I'm like, but maybe, maybe.

00:18:27.480 maybe not only is she she actually is a woman the real conspiracy is she has six fingers

00:18:32.940 like she's the she's a nephilim yeah but like i said like i like that it's like someone just

00:18:39.180 made this just hey here's some fucked up photos of her 65 and and pregnant like it didn't need

00:18:45.780 to happen yeah except just to make people wonder that she is she's faking that that is the best

00:18:53.940 use i mean everybody kind of knows that but the best use for this stuff is like casting a paul

00:18:59.120 over the narrative by just like even if you think about it even just having having pregnancy photos

00:19:06.080 like they should exist and the pregnancy part of those photos isn't what's weird about it what's

00:19:10.420 weird about it is that she looks a little bit old and she has kind of a weird facial expression so

00:19:15.020 it's a bad and awkward photo that her press team would never release so which is which is awesome

00:19:20.640 Because, like, it slides very easily for people who don't know better as a real photo.

00:19:26.540 You know, the thing is that everyone was talking about this technology for years.

00:19:32.440 Like, it was going to destroy our conceptualization of the truth, especially in journalism.

00:19:38.240 And maybe I'm just speaking for myself here, but I always thought people were kind of excited about being gaslit.

00:19:45.480 yeah i mean there's to some extent a lot of us maybe this is just us but i think for a long time

00:19:52.560 we already didn't really trust it so yeah there's a little bit more distrust but also now it's a

00:19:59.340 bigger pool of people who are all talking about how fake and gay everything is like before we

00:20:04.460 got to kind of keep our mouths shut about shit being fake and gay but now you can you can take

00:20:08.400 these fake photos and share them with your co-workers and be like look at this dumb hilarious

00:20:12.340 fake shit it's funny guess what everybody's a conspiracy theorist now

00:20:17.500 it's great and then the that i was just talking to my wife in the car about this

00:20:23.800 that like for the longest time you had all these like you know early feminists who kind of look

00:20:29.560 uglier like men or we even have like politicians you know unmarried 60 year old spinsters who kind

00:20:36.720 to have like the the men's haircut like mps and before trans it was always like well they're just

00:20:43.620 awful women but now you can just be polite and assume that they're men knowing full well that

00:20:49.680 they're women which is so which is so awful and it's the same thing with all these photos like

00:20:54.080 when you see something you're pretty sure it is actually true you can just call it you can just

00:20:58.920 call it fake so like it's great i just love this so much yeah i did that to rad fem hitler the

00:21:04.860 other day on twitter called her fake or called her a man but called her well she voice doxed

00:21:11.080 herself which is a very gay way of saying that she just posted a voice message yeah and then

00:21:16.820 i made some comment like you know what i'm just gonna say you know i might disagree with you but

00:21:22.720 you pass in every other way you bastard i was trying to craft like a magic silver bullet

00:21:32.600 for a woman because i spend a lot of time thinking about how to make women upset and uncomfortable

00:21:39.120 and so the way the woman a woman's mind works is you can you can there's this tweet i saw that i

00:21:45.580 think perfectly encapsulates it someone some woman had posted a tweet says guys will really

00:21:51.640 post this and then think nothing of it and it's just a guy posting two messages in a row one says

00:21:56.340 okay and the other says have fun those two things drive a fucking woman crazy so i'm like yeah yeah

00:22:03.060 i want to distill that i want to be an alchemist of whatever you call that i want to see if i can

00:22:11.040 ruin a week with a single word and i'm not there yet but i've dedicated the better part of my life

00:22:19.440 to finding out what that is it takes practice man it's an art um oh by the way so just to circle

00:22:25.060 baguette nickels is six months old that's the name we're giving dimes child um and everything

00:22:31.780 is good with him uh he's sleeping through the night completely and his naps are all so like

00:22:39.440 new dads just a bit of a note um i don't want to go off on this too much but if you're a new parent

00:22:44.680 one thing that occurred with us if you have a boy is that they don't nap during the day

00:22:51.300 some some kids just don't like to nap they they're supposed to though and my experience was

00:22:58.440 me thinking that okay he's just a kid that doesn't like to sleep whatever and then all the nurses

00:23:03.460 saying oh no he needs to sleep all the doctors and the experts saying they they sleep a lot

00:23:08.040 because they're building their mind and building their cognition and i said oh shit okay so we have

00:23:13.000 to figure out ways to get him to sleep and every not to lay on to boomers here but every boomer i

00:23:19.240 would talk to i'd talk about if i'm in line somewhere i'm like i got a got a three-month-old

00:23:23.980 four-month-old and they're like oh they're they're so precious aren't they they really do sleep all

00:23:28.900 the time i said no he doesn't and the look that comes over their face is oh like i just told them

00:23:35.580 that i have cancer it's like i'm sorry like like they've never heard that before then i get even

00:23:42.660 more freaked out like what why why like you've never heard that you've got 27 kids according

00:23:48.620 based on the glasses you've got on and the haircut i assume this mrs claus looking bitch

00:23:54.260 and so then that's that's when you start thinking okay how do we and this is a common thing for

00:24:00.500 if new dads are listening because i know a few uh who contacted me they the thing about babies is

00:24:07.240 they don't know how to tie their rem cycles together so they'll sleep like 15 minutes and

00:24:12.400 wake up crying then 15 minutes and wake up crying they're stuck in this like cycle just constantly

00:24:16.960 constantly and you're losing your mind but eventually you can train them to figure out

00:24:22.920 how to tie those cycles together so then they're sleeping for 40 minutes then they're sleeping for

00:24:26.420 like an hour and yeah like we we did we're doing a lot of things that are deviating from what our

00:24:35.740 parents and grandparents did and that's a bit of a struggle uh like for example like we actually

00:24:41.480 got him sleep trained in the in his crib and like during the night pretty early and that usually

00:24:47.020 doesn't come till later like the kids are still waking up tonight we had him sleeping through the

00:24:50.400 night at like month four or five nice um which but it takes a lot of work and the trade-off is

00:24:58.280 they're going to sleep less during the day so you got to figure that out so you can't have both

00:25:02.300 you can't you can have like long naps just always or you can have one huge chunk of nap and then

00:25:07.440 they're just awake all the fucking time and crying um like when i was growing up according

00:25:12.020 to my mom they were giving me like food when i was like two weeks old like they just did every

00:25:18.980 story i hear from my mom she's like oh when you were a kid we were sitting you in chairs but you

00:25:22.540 couldn't hold your head up so he'd like prop you up with pillows i'm like you don't fucking do you

00:25:26.320 don't do that yeah you're supposed to like support their head not just like leave leave me as an

00:25:31.360 infant with my head like drooped to the side like that that's how you end up the way i am that's

00:25:36.000 right if you are a neo-nazi a satanist a skinhead or a charlie manson i don't want you to pick up

00:25:42.000 the phone right now think of think of what we could have done this is this honestly this is

00:25:46.200 what i keep coming back to and it's very mean-spirited and it's unfair but i'm gonna say

00:25:52.520 it imagine where we would be in life if we had better parents not to say that they were bad

00:25:59.640 parents but i keep hearing choices that were made i'm like i that's that was a dumb choice

00:26:05.780 you made that was careless that was lazy like you just like oh you just like i like i don't know i

00:26:13.680 told this on the show like the story my mom likes to tell people is that i fell down the stairs when

00:26:19.020 i was like a baby i was crawling and like i could have died i almost died right because she just

00:26:24.840 just didn't have the thing set up and she told my wife this when we were dating i don't know what

00:26:31.280 it comes up in conversation and i'm like well this doesn't make you look good you stop telling

00:26:36.600 it that's why like don't feel bad with me telling it she'll tell you if she's met you for five

00:26:40.480 minutes yeah about how she almost killed her infant baby like yeah maybe i got some brain

00:26:47.400 damage and maybe now maybe i could have been we didn't have football teams back then what could

00:26:53.420 i have been the top of we're in canada and we went to shitty schools what could i have been

00:26:57.120 the captain of i don't think we had captains yeah we had we had sports teams and rugby teams but

00:27:04.200 rugby doesn't have a captain does it they just has a it would if you were there we have a scrum

00:27:08.860 master a scrum master yeah just like a guy like an office guy scrum master is like the guy the

00:27:15.700 project manager you bring in i could have been fucking i could have been project manager of our

00:27:20.660 volleyball team yeah if i didn't fall down the stairs like a fucking like the son the retard

00:27:26.700 son of a retard what a huge loss what a missed opportunity damn um but yeah anyway so that's

00:27:32.520 that was just a brief update on nickels he is healthy um he is he's tall but he's not fat

00:27:38.240 good makes a comment that he's not a fat baby but he's fitting in the clothes for his size

00:27:44.200 but because he's breastfed he's not like obese and everyone likes seeing an obese baby

00:27:49.760 a big rotund chonk and he's not that to me he looks like a cool guy an act a baby of action

00:27:57.840 not these fucking roly-poly train wrecks you see all over instagram the uh the formula thing i

00:28:05.260 think is is actually big i don't know exactly what it is i haven't read a lot of studies on it although

00:28:09.880 i've heard a lot of bullshit but yeah like people who do a more breastfeeding versus more formula

00:28:15.640 you do notice it in like the physique of the kid i'll tell you exactly why too uh because when

00:28:20.780 you're breastfeeding i've noticed this um and this is what i hear from my wife the baby's pretty much

00:28:26.500 in charge of it it'll tell you when it's full like because it can put its head it can stop

00:28:31.560 whenever it wants when you're bottle feeding the angle you're usually doing it at like it'll you

00:28:36.780 just kind of dump it down its throat and here's what no one wants to tell you and i know this

00:28:42.180 from talking to parents um this is the stuff that they'll kind of like try and give you as a tip

00:28:48.860 thinking that you'll get it but if you're uh formula feeding um formula tends to make babies

00:28:55.420 go to sleep a bit easier um that's another thing that we had to deal with like he wouldn't sleep

00:29:00.400 because we weren't shoving formula down his throat and so sometimes they'll just feed them

00:29:04.880 extra to get them to sleep like there's a lot of people who they call that they call it feeding

00:29:09.520 to sleep uh which is well sounds unthinkable to people who don't have kids but i get why you do

00:29:15.940 that if i could get him to drink formula i would have done it look i mean that's what i that's what

00:29:20.240 i was going to say to you earlier it's like it's one thing at at six months but as you go like i

00:29:24.320 felt the same way about my first kid at six months you as you go along there's all kinds of stuff

00:29:29.120 that you're like well i would never do that but then you get there and from in my situation we

00:29:34.420 have two kids that are close in age and it's like sometimes man some fucking days can i give can i

00:29:40.220 give you to somebody else like can i just fucking walk out of here man oh yeah and then i do that

00:29:45.120 what can i do right now to flip a switch and get these kids to stay in their fucking room and shut

00:29:51.320 up please you will meet the temptation of the tv i think for me it was closer to when they're about

00:29:58.480 too because first of all they are much harder to wrangle because they not only can walk but they

00:30:05.940 can run and like climb up into the cabinets and throw themselves to the floor so you really you

00:30:11.080 really want to do is lock them in a room but if you lock them in a room then they're unless you're

00:30:15.500 in the room with them they're banging on the door screaming to be let out and then if you want to do

00:30:19.900 an activity you have to be chaperoning the activity like play-doh or something that they're not

00:30:23.900 literally eating it and then if they know about the tv the dopamine rush from the tv means all

00:30:30.200 they ever ask for is the tv if they remember the tv so you have to get them distracted with

00:30:35.420 something else to not watch the tv and sometimes you just fucking let them watch the tv and then

00:30:39.280 you find some shows that you're okay with them watching and then like we let them watch wizard

00:30:43.900 of oz and like totoro and stuff like that like on repeat and some a couple of shows but like

00:30:49.740 because the some days i mean we have to work and we we have them in daycare now but prior to having

00:30:55.280 them in daycare like we can't just fucking play play-doh and lego with them for 12 hours yeah so

00:31:01.980 like i'm genuinely terrified about what he's going to be capable of once he can walk around

00:31:09.440 he's already very very strong like a lot of doctors will even remark about his like arm

00:31:15.420 strength and leg strength he's and if he's anything like me he's got add and like fucking

00:31:21.620 that the charming type of autism that people flock towards right even my daughters are average

00:31:27.900 they're like normal strength like we're talking to the daughter the doctor but just because you're

00:31:32.040 gonna say they're mids i'm like oh judas because of the proportions of their body like you and a

00:31:38.100 grown adult can't do this without training but like a an 18 month can get their fingers around

00:31:44.160 the edge of a cabinet door and like hurdle themselves up over it easily like i can't do

00:31:50.260 that i'm pretty fit i can't hurdle myself over something with just my fingertips but they can

00:31:56.200 like and you wouldn't expect it to and then you see them do it it's like holy shit you're

00:32:00.580 spider-man let's say the nine spider-man they are spiders yeah i think that captures the

00:32:07.080 horrifying nature of it

00:32:09.040 moving on

00:32:11.480 we spent so much time on shit

00:32:13.520 nobody cares about I'm sorry everyone

00:32:14.920 what we do need to talk about

00:32:17.620 for real

00:32:18.420 is Justin Trudeau at war

00:32:21.620 with India

00:32:22.240 now some people

00:32:25.660 will say dimes

00:32:26.680 and to a lesser extent Judas

00:32:28.800 you're once again doing what you're not

00:32:31.700 supposed to do which is commenting on

00:32:33.640 a developing story and I say

00:32:35.620 halt

00:32:36.100 because we exist in a world where news is delivered in a way it shouldn't be we're supposed

00:32:43.620 to get completed stories we get ongoing stories we get developing stories it's just not fair

00:32:50.360 i've made an executive decision where if i jump in the middle of a developing story

00:32:57.260 i get to decide what the story is that's right now i'm hearing rumors i'm hearing speculation

00:33:03.240 i'm hearing journalists telling me this and that and saying we're gonna wait till further coming

00:33:07.900 no no no no you've been talking about this long enough i'm gonna tell you what the story is

00:33:12.220 the story right now is justin trudeau is at war with india because he's high on cocaine

00:33:18.400 i'm glad that you went with the drug angle immediately yeah there's several stories

00:33:25.260 there's a lot going on here yeah so this began with the killing of a sheik now i i'm gonna

00:33:34.120 pronounce this wrong i thought it was sheik when i was younger oh machine then i thought it would

00:33:38.140 then i thought it was seek and i'm hearing them call it sick it is sick that's the state the state

00:33:46.860 of immigration oh that's the i i here's what i think white people were doing we were doing india

00:33:52.460 as solid saying like we're not going to call you sick yeah like asperger's yeah what so when you

00:33:59.240 say oh here's a sick leader or a sick advocate we're gonna we're gonna do you a solid as a race

00:34:06.480 and true to their nature they shit all over that yes so no we're sick you racist okay fine fine

00:34:14.400 you're sick. So there was this sick leader who was assassinated in Canada. And Justin Trudeau

00:34:23.760 taking a page, let me just say, out of the Blood Sally book, perhaps a paywall subscriber,

00:34:30.400 decided to blame the nation of India. Disturbing new details are being reported

00:34:35.420 tonight about the murder of prominent Sikh activist Hardeep Singh Nijer in B.C.

00:34:39.600 The Washington Post says it's viewed security footage that shows at least six men and two vehicles involved in the killing,

00:34:47.760 suggesting a larger and more organized operation.

00:34:51.480 It follows Justin Trudeau's assertion that India may be responsible for Niger's death.

00:34:56.920 And today, members of Canada's Sikh community took to the streets to echo that sentiment.

00:35:01.480 Canadian security agencies have been actively pursuing credible allegations of a potential

00:35:08.660 link between agents of the government of India and the killing of a Canadian citizen, Hardeep

00:35:15.700 Singh Nijjar. Canada is a rule of law country. The protection of our citizens and defence

00:35:24.740 of our sovereignty are fundamental.

00:35:28.860 We call upon the government of India to work with us,

00:35:33.660 to take seriously these allegations

00:35:36.820 and to allow justice to follow its course.

00:35:42.580 Adhering to a lot of the knowledge

00:35:45.460 that's been established over the past few decades

00:35:47.260 that Canada has zero sovereignty,

00:35:49.420 is just a playground for international dissident groups

00:35:53.380 organized crime yeah we covered this extensively with our coverage of china but why not india right

00:35:59.600 yeah yeah yeah what were you about to say sorry i was just gonna say the because because i don't

00:36:05.700 like india we are all of this is like we love to dunk on trudeau right but i mean it's fairly

00:36:11.640 obvious that india did kill him because he was a he was a calistani revolutionary and they've

00:36:17.460 been fighting a quiet civil war with them for decades so like it's it's highly likely that he

00:36:22.380 killed him it's just that the the gall and stupidity of trudeau without any other information

00:36:29.180 to just stand up and say oh yeah modi did it you fucking retard yeah so the article i'm looking at

00:36:36.920 right now is uh on the globe and mail justin trudeau brings canada's ties with india under

00:36:42.660 increasing strain so there's a picture painted here that canada is now in the subservient position

00:36:49.740 to india like india is the big dog here what happened okay here's here's the first program

00:36:55.840 canada and this was written by brahma chalini of course um canada and india are friends not foes

00:37:04.880 good way to start it but prime minister trudeau by countenancing the rising anti-india activities

00:37:11.100 of extremist sikh groups in canada has brought relations with new delhi under increasing strain

00:37:16.600 during his term in office.

00:37:19.520 Mr. Trudeau's extraordinary statement

00:37:21.500 was not about Canadian security agencies

00:37:23.820 finding evidence of India's involvement

00:37:25.720 in the killing of a Canadian Sikh extremist,

00:37:29.160 Hardeep Singh Najjar.

00:37:30.480 Rather, his statement was only about allegations

00:37:32.320 which he called credible of a potential India link.

00:37:35.900 So they're painting these Sikhs as extremists too,

00:37:39.200 which is interesting because isn't Jagmeet Singh one of those?

00:37:43.740 Yeah, Jagmeet Singh is a major Kalistani figure.

00:37:46.600 so like i mean he's the next head on the chopping block for the indians to assassinate i was going

00:37:52.180 to bring up that you know we talked about this stupid article the ut guy recently who wrote this

00:37:56.260 thing about how he's like a like an untouchable underclass and about how he wants to see more

00:38:01.600 underclass retards in canadian universities yeah yeah like it's so like it's like the inverse of

00:38:07.960 how most chinese up until recently in canada weren't really chinese they were like hong kongers

00:38:13.080 and taiwanese people like the best type of chinese and like the flip of it is most indians

00:38:19.020 that we have here are apparently calistani just like separatists and retarded underclass members

00:38:26.220 like are they not are they actually sending the worst over here like is this a geopolitical thing

00:38:30.740 or what this in canada has become a destination for separatists and distant groups just to build

00:38:36.880 the same thing happened with china the same thing happened with these like organized crime but also

00:38:41.100 like these hong kong distant groups like oh yeah they set base in canada from which to launch their

00:38:46.300 campaigns to argue for whatever geopolitical issue exists in their home country like shen yun uh

00:38:53.160 what are the shen yun people called the uh the organ harvesting yeah protester those fucking guys

00:38:59.640 they're huge they're like their biggest base right now is in canada i think and it's it's that

00:39:04.260 exactly it's they can raise money here and then go back and fuck with the chinese like yeah canada

00:39:09.000 And the funny thing is you were just bringing up this idea like, oh, man, Canada's on the back foot.

00:39:13.680 Like, India's bigger than us.

00:39:15.340 I mean, India is bigger than us.

00:39:16.740 They have 30 times the population.

00:39:18.420 They have twice the GDP.

00:39:20.200 They're growing five times faster than we are.

00:39:22.400 I mean, we're fucking shrinking.

00:39:23.940 You know, the only reason our population is even growing is because even with their surplus growth, they're sending people to us and they're still growing faster than us.

00:39:31.640 Like, India is bigger than us.

00:39:33.380 That's terrifying because it's a horrible place that should be destroyed.

00:39:35.920 But like they are actually more important geopolitically and globally than we are.

00:39:40.540 So it's kind of funny.

00:39:42.620 And one thing that people bring up is here.

00:39:45.620 And it's in the article I'm reading.

00:39:46.980 The homicide prompted a flare up of old tensions that have simmered since the Air India bombing involving Sikh extremists in 1985.

00:39:54.360 So that's something that's brought up a lot that the Sikh community has been tied to, you know, terrorism in Canada.

00:40:01.000 Today marks 38 years since the largest mass terrorist attack in Canadian history.

00:40:08.020 The Air India bombings left hundreds dead, most of them Canadians.

00:40:12.160 A memorial for them is set to get underway shortly at Separley Park.

00:40:16.640 Nearly 3 in 10 Canadians say they have never heard of the Air India tragedy.

00:40:21.560 That 60% between the ages of 18 and 34 say they've never heard of it.

00:40:26.620 and only 20% are actually able to correctly identify that event

00:40:32.500 as the deadliest terror attack on Canadian citizens in our history.

00:40:37.820 After a man was shot dead around 9.30 this morning,

00:40:43.360 and we can tell you that we've been told that man is Rapudeman Singh Malik.

00:40:48.880 Even though RCMP have not confirmed the identity of the victim,

00:40:53.200 Malik had been acquitted in the 1985 Air India bombing in 2005 now Surrey RCMP

00:41:00.620 will only say the victim was provided first aid by attending officers but

00:41:04.840 died at the scene and this is in fact a targeted shooting people who have

00:41:09.520 gathered here have suggested to us that this is a place of business for the

00:41:13.700 victim suspect vehicle also found torched at 82nd Avenue and 122nd Street

00:41:19.840 nearby and police still looking for suspects as well as an additional vehicle believed to have

00:41:25.280 been used as a getaway car yeah Sikhs are Sikhs are savages they're fucking savages they should

00:41:31.080 not be allowed in our country they carry fucking knives they're extremely violent and sectarian

00:41:35.200 they're awful they're fucking awful yeah and then of course people are getting a taste of what that

00:41:40.140 looks like when they see all these protests and parades like where the fuck did these people come

00:41:44.440 from have they been here the whole time i guess so and look how organized they are yeah um and

00:41:49.960 here's another article uh from the washington post that's funny canada's allies rebuff its

00:41:55.140 requests to join in accusations against india so no one's taking canada's side on this

00:42:02.260 canada is tiny like india is a major international player part of bricks huge wealthy country like

00:42:10.340 again much larger than canada canada is just the home to all of these parasitic dissidents from all

00:42:15.560 of these other countries so not only would you be pissing off india by supporting the calistanis

00:42:20.080 but you're setting a precedent for canada being the place that supports dissidents against other

00:42:24.760 countries what's next like oh we're supporting the the falun gong against china we're supporting

00:42:30.300 whoever against the koreans or against fucking who knows right and then ironically this happens

00:42:35.200 you know against the backdrop of of them bringing a nazi into parliament so it's just wild this

00:42:42.540 past couple weeks man by the way yeah we want to talk just briefly on that um you know again

00:42:48.140 trudeau starting a war with india and also leading a standing ovation for a nazi ss officer

00:42:55.860 hanka got two standing ovations from parliament he's a ukrainian hero a canadian hero and we

00:43:04.520 thank him for all his service thank you but as we later learned punkah fought the russians because

00:43:13.560 he fought with the nazis in a division called the ss 14th waffen a revelation that's caused

00:43:20.840 outrage and embarrassment prompting rhoda to apologize and take responsibility

00:43:26.680 yesterday he gave in to calls to resign as speaker

00:43:29.880 like i was on the verge of thinking this is finally he's come home

00:43:35.760 finally the white man and he's doing cocaine on an airplane hello irish biden and french

00:43:45.840 trudeau the catholic crusaders finally showing their true colors they're our guys

00:43:50.720 i'm sorry to say it the white man may be back

00:43:54.580 amazing the white man is back baby the white man is back

00:44:01.380 weeks before canada aired an explosive allegation that indian officials may be behind

00:44:08.300 the slam of a sikh separatist leader canadian officials asked its closest allies including the

00:44:13.840 united states to publicly condemn the murder but were rebuffed underscoring the diplomatic

00:44:18.840 balancing act facing the biden administration and its allies as they worked to court

00:44:23.300 an asian power seen as a crucial counterweight to china right so this has isolated canada in ways

00:44:30.680 that i don't think anyone predicted so dumb it's just it was the dumb it was like i yeah sorry it's

00:44:38.940 just so stupid it's like it's like i guess he he is right but like to to go down this path you need

00:44:46.380 to not be a prancing mincing faggot yeah you do not possess the gall and the audacity to really

00:44:55.540 go down this road trudeau i had a i i forget if we talked about my show but i posted this link

00:45:01.560 months ago but this study about stupidity and this guy has a theory that the way you should

00:45:05.960 define stupidity is not doing things wrong it's doing things in such a way that it's bad for

00:45:12.320 everyone else but it's also bad for you like you cutting off your own you know cutting off your

00:45:18.060 nose to spite your face and that this is such a case of that perfect you know uh that that

00:45:24.360 crystallized stupidity that he seems to have spent the last two or three years courting india

00:45:29.220 like they've spent more time courting india and indian students and indian immigrants and creating

00:45:36.460 loopholes for them to take advantage of our country and our economy they've spent years we've lost

00:45:41.700 billions to this bullshit and now at the 11th hour when at least he might have got paid he

00:45:48.660 might have got some kickbacks he he snubs india's leader and now it's all like we may as well be at

00:45:56.860 war with them like so we got all this immigration and now the indians hate us and we hate them

00:46:02.780 like nobody won it was like the worst conceivable chain of events it's the it's the worst for

00:46:10.360 everyone it's just it's perfect it's almost like a black comedy the way that it that it turned out

00:46:15.780 this is the geopolitical equivalent of trudeau cooked a fine meal and he set the table

00:46:24.260 the nice tablecloth the linen candles lit darkened room and then the tablecloth has become

00:46:34.000 snagged on the zipper

00:46:36.140 of his fly. So as he

00:46:38.200 pivots to greet

00:46:39.600 the guests, it pulls the

00:46:42.120 entire tablecloth out.

00:46:44.220 Food goes everywhere. The force

00:46:46.160 of it coming down also pulls his

00:46:48.060 pants down. Yes. Yes.

00:46:50.960 Flawless. And he is

00:46:52.100 standing there bare-assed

00:46:53.580 and his brain cannot, it's

00:46:55.920 buffering. He doesn't know how to bring his hands down.

00:46:58.500 And now he is a

00:47:00.000 sex offender. Yes.

00:47:02.160 everyone present is either angry or offended or or embarrassed like nobody nobody won it's just

00:47:09.960 losses all around yes we're not done there's another link on this chain oh we're not finished

00:47:16.360 a claim has arisen from delhi new delhi uh so i don't know how much of this is true however

00:47:26.480 that's not up to journalists that's not up to the state i decide what's real this is real

00:47:33.880 headline trudeau was depressed and high on cocaine while in delhi says former diplomat

00:47:40.660 what's the relationship with this diplomat trudeau don't give a shit uh a former indian

00:47:47.140 diplomat has accused prime minister trudeau of arriving in new delhi for the g20 summit

00:47:52.180 in a plane full of cocaine and uh slammed his support of the calistani terrorists that's

00:47:59.100 bundled in there too let me just say this to me already sounds like a very indian rumor

00:48:05.220 yeah it's very bald-faced it's very inelegant but i'll take it um here's the quote when justin

00:48:14.040 came to india the g20 this month his plane was full of cocaine okay well i guess that is the

00:48:19.520 quote just fucking said it he did not come out of his room for two days said deepak vora former

00:48:26.360 ambassador to sudan while speaking to z news um i mean look if i was as in bad shape as he is in

00:48:33.780 the polls i too would go to india and spend two days doing coke in a shitty hotel the former

00:48:39.360 indian diplomat added that when the canadian pm had come to delhi it was a credible rumor that

00:48:44.940 indian sniffer dogs discovered cocaine from the plane now i gotta stop you there

00:48:49.580 how would you have how could you have a drug sniffing dog in india

00:48:57.280 that's such a good point the number of stories here i was about to say the number of stories

00:49:05.220 i've heard of people coming off the plane and being hit with the smell but it's like i haven't

00:49:10.080 heard stories other than that like there are no other stories those are the only stories every

00:49:15.500 single person who's talking about indian airports which i'm sure are awfully managed all they can

00:49:21.140 mention is the terrible smell when you land although maybe the dogs are used to it well

00:49:26.240 i once heard it described to me how dogs uh smell because they have such a powerful sense of smell

00:49:33.340 uh they said imagine like the way you hear a gunshot in the distance is where they can smell

00:49:40.320 like they can tell the direction they can kind of triangulate based on that but that's the power of

00:49:45.560 their scent but if that is the metaphor just imagine the gunshot but you're the entire time

00:49:52.320 you're hearing christopher nolan in your ears like you you can't hear anything christopher

00:50:01.440 nolan in your nose you mean yeah exactly this is the inception soundtrack of your nose

00:50:06.860 here's a quote my wife saw him at the deli airport and said that trudeau looked depressed

00:50:13.760 and stressed we don't know the reason i don't know the reality but social media and some

00:50:19.320 credible rumors suggest that his plane was full of cocaine the more i read it the more retarded

00:50:23.740 this actually sounds but i'm standing by him he also missed the president's dinner and some people

00:50:29.620 say that he was not in his senses due to the drug consumption so seeing this nothing can be said

00:50:36.500 about what goes on his mind voris said now i'm i am believing this this is retarded what he's saying

00:50:45.500 like him saying like there's some people who were saying this and i didn't see him for two days but

00:50:50.880 that was probably because of the drugs like this is ridiculous if this is what he's saying

00:50:55.100 oh and here's the next thing he has definitely gone insane he has become low

00:51:01.140 this is indian reporting at its finest this is indian fucking no they've gone beyond

00:51:09.300 editorialization to just just pure fabrication oh no this is the quote from the guy still actually

00:51:15.060 but he says he has definitely gone sane he has become lonely he is now trying to show that he

00:51:20.020 is a canadian rambo and nothing can go wrong this presence let me say this is becoming

00:51:29.140 so unforgivably indian as it goes on like these references like you you don't if you ever talk

00:51:37.260 to an indian professional i don't care how educated they claim to be on a long enough

00:51:44.080 timeline you will reach the point where you just look at them and say you don't know what's going

00:51:49.720 on do you you you that's the anton chigurh moment where you're like you don't have no idea what

00:51:56.960 you're talking about like i don't know what to do with this okay uh india has done the right thing

00:52:04.380 by suspending visa services in canada this is true the indian government has shown that we are

00:52:09.660 new barat and that we will take a stand for the betterment of the country that's the other

00:52:13.860 thing being bundled in here that they're changing their name or something anyway that's what they're

00:52:19.920 saying and just the last link in this chain look at the dailymail.com scandal hit justin trudeau

00:52:28.100 furiously denies claim that he traveled to india on a plane quote full of cocaine and that he didn't

00:52:34.980 come out of his room for two days as exiting diplomat so he's denying it um i like that he's

00:52:42.680 denying it this to me is a mission accomplished um i would also say that having read what i read

00:52:50.140 a denial was not necessary you know i mean like he could he could have just said look that's that

00:52:55.980 sounds dumb and preposterous but the fact that he's denying it gives it a bit more credence

00:53:01.860 in my mind yeah like because just really i i read you the quote is like he's gone insane

00:53:08.880 i didn't see him for two days it's probably because all the cocaine he was snorting

00:53:11.940 um but then there i guess there were drugs there was like a rumor that drugs were found on the

00:53:17.400 plane and that's why the plane was grounded so but sorry continue i mean separate the context

00:53:25.060 of the story because like we don't like indians we don't like journalists this is badly written

00:53:29.280 all that aside think about what we actually know about justin trudeau like he is the spoiled

00:53:36.280 stupid pretty boy son of this dynastic gay man who was previously a leader of canada we know that

00:53:46.040 he yeah i wouldn't he's not a loose cannon but he's unpredictable in the way that like a 13 year

00:53:52.220 old girl is unpredictable in that he flip-flops every six months on on main issues and what he's

00:53:58.260 doing and he has shown up all over the place throughout his term at parties and ski lodges

00:54:04.400 and surfing on public beaches and like it to me it's not even a little bit look the bigger stretch

00:54:11.540 is us calling him gay a few weeks ago when he got divorced right but saying he's just every time he

00:54:17.920 goes to the g20 they can't find him because he's doing coke in his hotel oh sure i mean why not

00:54:23.400 look i mean look he's not the only leader that's doing that i mean probably that finish pitch is

00:54:28.240 doing it probably all kinds of them are like i mean come on it's 2023 so this isn't even it's

00:54:34.420 great that we have somebody who's saying it publicly but it's honestly not that unbelievable

00:54:38.500 to say that justin trudeau is just on fucking coke all the time it'd be funny if there was a rumor

00:54:44.600 that finns snorted cocaine like asians and then what that means is they're snorting it through

00:54:51.340 their eyes like their yeah they do that eyes did you hear that the fins do coke like the chinks

00:55:01.560 well they are asians yeah through their eyes their eyes that's how you can tell that's how

00:55:09.020 you can tell who's allowed into the white race because really like that's the standard that i'm

00:55:14.960 using that that's why it hurts me so much that trudeau is getting fingered for being a coke guy

00:55:22.780 because guys who do coke are supposed to be cool yes this was good ideas it is the elite white

00:55:29.000 man's drug i'll tell you a series of neato torpedo coke decisions one starting war with india

00:55:37.740 two doing coke on a plane three doing coke in hotel room four divorcing your wife five

00:55:46.980 inviting like last living ss officer to parliament and making a bunch of jews stand up and clap for

00:55:54.400 him i just gave you five six sleeping with emmanuel macron yes wait no that well that okay

00:56:04.140 is that confirmed a is that confirmed b that sounds gay c there's no i you think carefully

00:56:12.900 because i can't edit that out well look having sex with a man is gay but talking to the french

00:56:18.800 at all is gay and it's kind of a double negative so it's almost like having sex with a woman i

00:56:24.300 would say yeah it's impossible not to fall into through the event horizon of french eroticism

00:56:32.120 It's safer to just never interact with the French.

00:56:34.920 You know what?

00:56:35.940 Maybe 7.7 that we haven't seen yet is he declares war on France.

00:56:41.980 Okay.

00:56:42.940 Yeah.

00:56:43.300 So Macron declares war.

00:56:45.000 Okay.

00:56:45.560 I don't know.

00:56:46.000 We like a Coke Trudeau, freshly divorced Coke Trudeau is his spurned lover.

00:56:52.860 Macron sends him a deferent text message and he decides to declare war on the EU.

00:57:00.680 i might leave that up to a jury of your peers let's see is it is it based to engage in gay

00:57:10.080 sex but also destroy the subject oh i'm sorry we're talking about based shit i was just making

00:57:15.580 fun of his crudo oh no i'm sorry well i was trying to redeem him with a cool cocaine and

00:57:20.380 ideas that he okay i didn't know he's supposed to be cool okay forget all the gay shit

00:57:25.300 we once again got lost within the labyrinth of a take sorry guys um so you you found yourself at

00:57:37.180 the the the moist gay center of that labyrinth and the minotaur of mockery was waiting for you

00:57:45.400 i didn't even bring any breadcrumbs or a yarn or anything but okay so moving on there's a few

00:57:52.280 things um i wanted to to bring up that are they're show related things and they're important i'm

00:57:59.300 going to get through them as quickly as i can one on our gum road and on our patreon there is a new

00:58:07.520 episode of a little side show that i'm doing um it's called the title right now is real coffee

00:58:15.380 hours and i think i might have mentioned this on a previous episode but the point is that people

00:58:20.980 often send me questions or send me articles to read to get a take on what i'm going to do is

00:58:27.360 just record that record a video going through the article it's like reaction type stuff

00:58:32.440 you can find those episodes there this last one i think was around 40 minutes i didn't intend for

00:58:39.880 it to be that long but knowing how i do things they're going to be very long-winded you can

00:58:44.640 there's going to be are we doing those on an ongoing basis um and so also the other thing

00:58:51.120 is that on our store for people who don't know we have a merchandise store called good suffer

00:58:56.960 good suffer.com um with the the v as a u and suffer um you can find blood salad merchandise

00:59:04.360 on there like a sticker that we just came up with that we released a sticker the logo you can buy

00:59:09.760 it it works for indoors or outdoors you can put that up on any fucking wall or stop sign or wherever

00:59:15.640 you wherever stickers find a cozy home um and also along with that we've partnered not only

00:59:24.840 have we partnered with censored anon a good friend of the show and we sell a whole series of his

00:59:31.140 prints that are released through his channel you might recognize a lot of things on there you can

00:59:35.440 buy the very nice matte finish posters of those uh we also partnered with the z-man who we

00:59:41.980 interviewed on this show uh selling a uh shirt that he approved and all for censored or not for

00:59:49.720 all of our partnerships all the profits go right to the creator after the covering the cost of

00:59:55.460 production and shipping all that so all the money goes to them so if you like z-man and you want

00:59:59.760 money to go to him to support him buy the shirt same with censored on and same with our other

01:00:05.800 partner the restoration bureau a lot of people in the scene might have seen their uh posters or

01:00:12.780 their memes about they're very well designed um so and we sell posters of that the same high quality

01:00:20.220 um so we're going to be releasing those as we go we've got two up right now that have been

01:00:25.080 again approved and confirmed by the creators themselves and all the profits go to them

01:00:30.720 uh next week we are going to be having another live stream we'll be having these

01:00:37.700 once a month i'm thinking we might do two a month um we're going to see how that goes

01:00:42.980 but we're having one next week uh the date it's on thursday and it's going to be i think it's

01:00:50.820 around eight or nine eastern standard time i think it's nine we did last time at nine so probably do

01:00:56.640 this time at nine as well and we'll be releasing links to that on our telegram and on twitter so

01:01:03.040 you can figure out which channel to see it on it'll be on odyssey it'll be on youtube and it'll

01:01:07.220 be on twitter as well live stream to all of them at the same time and also on rumble we don't have

01:01:12.600 a lot of followers on rumble but if you're on rumble we got a channel there we'll be live

01:01:16.920 streaming there too i might be putting a bit more time into rumble as we go i don't know i

01:01:21.760 i'm seeing a lot of people migrate over there uh we've had a channel there for a while it was just

01:01:27.400 synced to our youtube and i never really gave it much thought but i'm seeing more people i like put

01:01:33.220 more thought into that so that might be a place we put more work into um lastly and maybe you

01:01:42.320 could help me out on this we have uh another sponsor that's working with us the organization

01:01:50.160 the company is called axios axios fitness coaching so this is a guy he's going to get you into shape

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01:02:44.480 profits from your frailty let me stop right there that is true that is that that is accurate and also

01:02:51.260 i was thinking about that the other day you know what like i this will sound very lame but i i always

01:02:57.520 think about you know you look around and one thing that everyone on our scene talks about is trying

01:03:02.100 to reclaim masculinity and everyone's got a different idea of how to do that through sort

01:03:07.340 of rediscovering savagery or rediscovering the other end of that which is severe discipline

01:03:13.580 in some ways make yourself lethal and you know you look around and it's difficult for me to

01:03:21.340 reconcile what we think men of the past were like the like when we think of oh your ancestors used

01:03:28.800 to be more rugged and more cool you think well were they i don't know you know and and i was

01:03:34.380 writing um an article for the vanguardist journal uh that's hopefully going to go up in the next

01:03:41.280 week or so and i was referencing that book on killing by david grossman i believe and uh it

01:03:47.860 really brings to the forefront how even what we might call the warrior class now the soldiers the

01:03:54.500 the people who go to fight these horrible wars you know the idea of total war is a very modern

01:04:01.880 idea and the idea of spending prolonged periods of time at war or in the same battle is a new

01:04:08.560 idea so which is to say that the demands and pressures placed on the modern warrior are

01:04:13.860 historically unprecedented so it doesn't make sense really to compare the warriors now to the

01:04:19.100 warriors of the past the warriors of the past might have even had it easier depending how you

01:04:22.380 look at it yeah but but but still i'm always thinking about i'm always thinking like you know

01:04:27.580 How do you maybe it's not so much about reclaiming sort of masculinity or always comparing yourself to the past.

01:04:34.240 It really is just getting in shape and trying to make yourself ready for a crisis.

01:04:39.580 And I think that is the best that anyone can do, because even if you're you're a prepper, you prepared everything and maybe, you know, you're taking up shooting, you're taking up some martial art or at least just doing more pushups.

01:04:54.520 you're thinking i'm not doing enough i'm not as cool or savage as they were in the bronze age

01:04:59.840 but i'm like you know what maybe the bronze age people were a bunch of pussies too maybe

01:05:04.720 through axios you can be superior to those bronze age perverts out there

01:05:11.680 and you know what we talked about on the last episode this whole shit about the

01:05:18.280 the uh was it the plastic love or whatever like the way that plastic love the way that the uh

01:05:23.980 your endocrine system and everything is disrupted by, you know, shit on the water table and that

01:05:29.420 we, to some extent, are doing more. It requires more discipline and time and effort now to just

01:05:37.880 maintain a base level of physical fitness than it ever did before. And in some sense, if we can get

01:05:44.420 up to the level and even above where our ancestors were three generations ago,

01:05:49.500 this is this is uncharted territory because although we may not look way better than them

01:05:56.280 we're achieved we're achieving levels of discipline in some cases that they would not have had for

01:06:03.280 that purpose you know what i mean you know i think that's a even better way of putting it

01:06:08.000 and because i know when some people go down this pathway of fitness and trying to achieve their

01:06:14.460 ideal form they feel like they're always falling short um because you have the ideal is some

01:06:20.580 like probably like an ai generated idea of like what a viking was you know but it's like you might

01:06:26.960 now you can make yourself with enough discipline more lethal and more dangerous than you know

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01:08:16.900 it works yeah like i know it's effective i'm even like this is no bullshit i'm considering signing

01:08:22.980 up with this guy because i'm i'm looking for some kind of what what happens is this is a long

01:08:29.300 fucking ad read but like from my perspective what happens when you try and get in shape or you try

01:08:35.540 and get into fitness whatever you want to call it you start to plateau so you'll get if you start

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01:08:46.420 year but after a while you will plateau you'll start doing the same shit over and over again

01:08:51.200 you'll get stuck in a rut and your body once once it gets to a certain level of like bulk or

01:08:57.580 whatever it is you're going for it you need to really do creative things to get to the next

01:09:03.340 level like i am no joke considering i need someone who knows what they're talking about to like

01:09:09.120 get me i've been in a rut for the past like year and a half two years i'm just you stop getting

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01:09:35.140 in doing any of the stuff we just described give it a shot even if you're someone who

01:09:40.520 is is kind of into this you will reach a point where you need a new set of eyes you need a new

01:09:46.720 opinion you need a new regimen um if not now then maybe in a little bit so you might as well get

01:09:52.340 ahead of it right now you know my i wonder how many other guys are in the same position as me

01:09:56.840 like i have never gone to a gym i've never used a trainer i've gone on and off using like body

01:10:03.660 weight exercises free weight exercises for like 10 years i'm in the best shape of my life right now

01:10:08.560 but i've only been doing it for four or five months and i can actually feel that right now

01:10:13.140 that it's like i don't have the same vigor for it and i'm not seeing the same week after week

01:10:19.480 changes and like that's that's what i've been thinking like okay well i mean at this point

01:10:23.780 who do i talk to so maybe maybe this is who you talk to you know if you're if you're in that

01:10:28.480 position so there's a big topic i want to talk about this is going to lead into uh the review

01:10:35.040 i want to talk about but um there's one story that i thought was very interesting um this is

01:10:42.380 from canada this is from montreal i'm reading the story right now on cbc news the headline

01:10:48.580 is montreal neo-nazi sentenced to 15 months in jail for inciting hatred a 15-month prison sentence

01:10:58.220 handed down friday to a montreal man guilty of willfully promoting hatred after writing an

01:11:03.780 anti-semitic article in 2017 more severe than the three-month sentence recommended by the crown

01:11:09.540 and defense when the maximum was two years.

01:11:12.720 Gabriel Seuyer-Chapu, who used a pseudonym Charles Zeger

01:11:16.000 on the far-right online publication The Daily Stormer,

01:11:19.640 was taken away in handcuffs at the Montreal courthouse.

01:11:22.840 He wrote more than 800 articles on the website

01:11:25.180 with one calling for non-stop Nazism everywhere

01:11:28.800 until the streets are flooded with the tears of our enemies.

01:11:32.320 Last hearing, he apologized, but the judge called that opportunistic

01:11:36.180 and said his ideologies have not changed.

01:11:39.020 the judge also said that he poses a danger to society and a risk of re-offending the jewish

01:11:45.320 community groups present in court applauded the decision one of the harshest sentences giving

01:11:51.440 given for the crime in canada according to quebec judge manlio del negro of course manilo

01:11:58.600 manilo del negro yeah the uh the the individual question called for quote non-stop nazism

01:12:07.100 everywhere not sure if that means and mocked a holocaust survivor though he argued it was satire

01:12:13.000 in his march testimony let's just i'm trying to think of a very diplomatic way of saying this

01:12:20.040 you should be able to mock holocaust survivors like when people are upset at holocaust jokes

01:12:27.760 like you're making fun of the jews who died like i think you should be you should be able to make

01:12:33.340 fun of the ones who made it according to them right you should be able to should be able to

01:12:46.960 mock anybody to be totally honest no that's that's more of like i'm trying to frame this for

01:12:52.460 like the side that hates us like look i look i'm gonna let this be the sound bite um but i think

01:13:01.040 we should be able to make fun of the ones who made it out because they're

01:13:05.200 strong enough.

01:13:06.840 They can take it.

01:13:08.220 Yeah.

01:13:08.840 They got those big,

01:13:10.120 those big Michelle Obama shoulders on them.

01:13:12.740 Yeah.

01:13:14.240 Um,

01:13:14.900 he also,

01:13:15.600 he's also prohibited from owning any weapons,

01:13:18.340 including knives for 10 years following his release.

01:13:21.520 How is he going to cut his steak?

01:13:23.500 Oh shit.

01:13:24.180 Oh shit.

01:13:24.940 How's he going to get,

01:13:25.760 so you can't own knives.

01:13:31.040 yes thank you for calling me back to that

01:13:33.880 sorry you reeled me back in

01:13:35.040 you can't own any knives

01:13:36.540 you can't have steak for 10 years

01:13:42.640 accessing any social media

01:13:46.620 writing and publishing articles

01:13:48.640 being in the presence of people

01:13:50.680 who express hateful ideology

01:13:52.640 that's a strange one

01:13:53.800 including participate in protests

01:13:56.780 that target people based on race

01:13:58.520 gender sexuality or religion

01:14:00.080 communicating with the editor of the daily stormer and any similar publication and from

01:14:05.760 leaving canada oh and also he has to undergo therapy to shed his hateful ideology and anger

01:14:12.780 issues i would like i don't know how you would go about this but i really want to find the

01:14:18.360 inner workings of one of these you know mandated therapy sessions you have to go through

01:14:25.280 you know it stated that his ideology had not changed since his arrest in 2018 and that he

01:14:31.880 maintains that his actions were legitimate well again like how what do you mean legitimate

01:14:36.920 like it's illegitimate to make fun of someone you know what i mean like it it's illegitimate to make

01:14:44.140 fun of an old you we don't even know what the joke was just mocking a holocaust survivor was

01:14:48.700 he mocking a ridiculous thing they said if if the if the if a holocaust survivor steps on a rake am

01:14:56.200 i allowed to point and laugh like what do you mean legit i can believe those that's a legitimate

01:15:04.300 thing to do the ael should start a bunch of like clown organizations staffed only by jews and then

01:15:11.540 when they send them to the children's hospital and the children laugh they can arrest all the

01:15:15.400 children for hate crime and bump the statistics up this is brilliant and so like he's not he's

01:15:20.980 completely locked away and this is something that we're going to get to in a later episode when we

01:15:28.560 discuss this book called the therapeutic state but this is a therapeutic state in action where

01:15:35.580 like if you read between the lines of what's being said here like what is he actually being accused of

01:15:41.960 like he the accusation here is that um he's got anger issues very vague he's got a hateful

01:15:54.440 ideology he's a they call him a shut-in yeah they're calling him an incel kind of yeah they're

01:16:00.740 but like what the idea of a therapeutic state is in short the medicalization of penalization

01:16:09.460 and that is not what it sounds like penalization as in punishment and this is the argument made

01:16:16.580 in the book by thomas zaz is that this has been going on since the 40s and 50s and this was like

01:16:22.880 the genesis of the insanity defense and the genesis of psychiatry and psychiatrists getting

01:16:28.880 involved in the criminal process and trying to say like that person's not guilty they're insane

01:16:34.080 or they're trying to say everything has to be viewed for a psychoanalytic lens and the issue

01:16:40.460 that i see and i'm kind of skipping ahead here and i talked about this in the article in the

01:16:44.220 vanguardist journal that's going to be coming out but the idea is that even people like us

01:16:50.700 who would be hostile towards psychiatry we still cannot step out of the psychiatric framework for

01:16:58.640 example even though we're very critical of freud and and all of these physicians we'll still call

01:17:04.960 like we'll say society's insane the idea that we anything we don't like we call insane you know

01:17:11.560 i mean even me too me like i call people insane all the time why the fuck do i do that that's

01:17:16.920 not the word to use but we've just accepted that if someone is antisocial or something is outside

01:17:24.300 the norm it's insane but why do we do that like especially for critical of these ideas um so like

01:17:31.380 what we're seeing here is that nothing the only thing that he's being accused of is being like

01:17:36.340 mentally ill he didn't actually commit a crime not really or if he did it was a medicalized crime

01:17:43.480 meaning that what they're trying to suss out is evidence of what they define as a mentally ill

01:17:48.720 person and criminalize that so they've the medicalization of criminalization and then the

01:17:53.880 solution to that is also quote unquote medical but that means that you can completely circumnavigate

01:18:00.400 the legal process because the traditional legal process would be you have to establish the crime

01:18:05.900 that you did the crime and that it had some impact like all of that is off the table

01:18:10.540 like how do you establish something like you made fun of someone what is what is the crime

01:18:15.020 what or did how did their life get worse because of that right it's just this vague thing where and

01:18:21.500 now you can because you can kind of circumnavigate traditional law you can kind of circumnavigate

01:18:28.360 traditional like he's not he's going to jail but really he's just doomed to be engaged in this

01:18:34.600 constant negotiation with anti-hate practitioners where his liberty and freedom is always up in

01:18:41.420 question right and that will never end probably there's one thing related to this i always thought

01:18:46.740 was weird and this was introduced by the conservatives not long ago i think it was

01:18:49.960 maybe only 20 30 years ago but the idea of victim impact statements in law so when you have a

01:18:56.000 criminal case and like whatever it was it's gonna carry like a certain sentence and then they have

01:19:01.080 like the victims or family members of the victim or people in the community come and like give

01:19:06.660 statements and cry and they can say whatever the fuck they want they're not barred from saying like

01:19:11.860 he's an awful evil person and he should die like they can say that shit and then it almost always

01:19:17.980 causes the sentence to increase and then the up the other part of it is if you just look at the

01:19:22.640 article like again these cases if anybody's watched one of these through like these take

01:19:27.780 years and there's like there's probably hundreds of hours of testimony and shit that goes into

01:19:33.120 these but like in the article and this is cbc which is the main news outlet in canada the only

01:19:38.620 thing that they tell us is he was found guilty of willfully promoting hatred against jews like

01:19:46.720 That's in quotes, that's the crime promoting hate against you, not promoting hate, promoting hate against Jews.

01:19:54.220 And then the like, the accelerating factors or whatever, where that he's an incel and a weirdo and a dummy and a big jerk.

01:20:04.080 Get a life, Jews.

01:20:05.620 Yeah.

01:20:06.240 And that is more of what he's being found guilty of.

01:20:09.480 He's not really because they can't say you're on trial for making a Jew feel sad or making fun of a Holocaust survivor.

01:20:15.860 it's it's all the other stuff it's that you're a loner it's that you're hateful it's that there's

01:20:21.400 all these things wrong with you and to have those things wrong with you is against the law yep uh

01:20:28.560 and be and once you were and you know the and i'll get to this when we discuss the book in a few

01:20:33.040 episodes but um i believe it was dr menninger who was like the head of the american psychiatric

01:20:39.600 association and he was the pioneer of of championing this of like you know the idea that oh if you're

01:20:46.220 mentally unfit to stand trial like you're insane you see this with spree shooters all the time they

01:20:51.760 didn't know what they were doing um the case he makes in the book is like they did this with um

01:20:56.580 john hinckley and with most political assassins you know they'll try and say oh they were mentally

01:21:03.000 unwell or they're sick it's like they're probably the least sick people out there if you target the

01:21:08.600 president to shoot to assassinate a political figure you're probably the least insane person

01:21:14.360 right you're very rational yeah like why do we assume that those people are sick you can say

01:21:20.260 they're they're they're bad you could say they're you can say they're evil or they're driven by an

01:21:25.520 ideology that you detest but just to say like well they didn't know what they were doing like no no

01:21:30.360 like it's hard to assassinate someone it's yeah it's it takes a lot of careful planning to do it

01:21:37.020 schizophrenics can't really do it but they will kind of claim their schizophrenics to get out of

01:21:42.600 it that's one of the the tactics they use but this is essentially where they want to take it

01:21:47.960 sorry dr menninger just to get back to that point what he was saying and he was championing this was

01:21:52.760 that everybody's mentally ill to one degree or another there's no sane people it's just some

01:21:58.980 people are more insane than others and that means that every single case of anti-social behavior

01:22:04.100 needs to be judged on a case-by-case basis,

01:22:06.140 which means there is no rule of law.

01:22:09.100 And this is what they were campaigning for

01:22:11.000 in the 50s and 60s.

01:22:12.040 And it's difficult for me to say

01:22:13.980 that that's not the world we live in right now.

01:22:16.480 Wait, what do you...

01:22:17.160 I'm trying to follow.

01:22:18.500 What do you mean by there is no rule of law?

01:22:20.880 Like, if they're saying that

01:22:22.340 the rule of law is that you can commit a crime

01:22:25.340 and you get tried for that crime,

01:22:27.640 they're introducing that if you are mentally unwell,

01:22:30.600 you're not really found guilty for that crime.

01:22:33.140 Right?

01:22:33.580 So we see the same thing happening with black people right now.

01:22:36.880 There's laws in the U.S. that if you have an IQ below 85, you are not granted agency by the state.

01:22:44.480 There's all these loopholes and special cases that mean that the law doesn't apply.

01:22:49.360 And we have this special system, this extra legal system, like the Human Rights Council that we use in these cases.

01:22:55.300 Basically, they've made it so psychiatrists are the – they've crowbarred their way into the legal system.

01:23:02.200 I mean, you'll see this in cases, and he mentioned this in the book, where you'll have like psychiatrists on either side, the prosecution or the defense arguing with each other on whether someone is insane or not insane because they're just up for grabs.

01:23:14.120 Like you just pay them, say whatever you want. But the idea is that they've crowbarred their way into the system.

01:23:18.920 So they really control, you know, these expert witnesses who are supposed to be unbiased.

01:23:24.040 But they define what is sane or insane. They can make it so you don't go to jail.

01:23:27.560 however they can get you in a system where they have complete control because at least in prison

01:23:32.660 you serve your sentence and you leave if you're in a psychiatric facility you can cut that's what

01:23:38.420 one flew yeah cuckoo's nest was about for people haven't seen that movie that's a guy who thought

01:23:42.360 he was being clever playing the insane defense and ended up in an asylum it ends up being way

01:23:48.440 worse he ends up fucking lobotomized because these people are these people are fucking insane

01:23:53.260 um but that's it like it's this whole parallel system where the rule of law doesn't really

01:23:58.200 apply there and if you if they can convince the court that you're insane or you know too dumb

01:24:04.740 then you you don't have rights anymore so there's another yeah there's another element to do you

01:24:10.600 remember the anders brevik trial and this was a huge topic about him being insane i think he

01:24:15.300 finally it was the same thing where they essentially said he's criminally insane

01:24:18.180 but all through the trial and they tried to keep his testimony out of the media a bit because he's

01:24:22.800 extremely well spoken and calm and he knows a lot like he's well read and he's just explaining his

01:24:30.140 position and he was totally had absolutely no remorse he would do it again and he's just

01:24:36.360 explaining calmly why he did what he did and it was totally rational and so the problem then is

01:24:41.940 you have to disagree with him you have to say you are a rational sane person who did a bad thing and

01:24:48.480 we disagree with your reasoning but they can't say that because i think that's the other thing

01:24:52.940 is they they would have to they would have to get into it they would have to litigate

01:24:57.900 why you're wrong but when they call you insane they don't have to they call you insane they

01:25:03.740 can just say they can kind of just like mug around the room and go come on come on i mean

01:25:09.020 this is crazy right and then you don't have to talk about his motivations and his theories and

01:25:14.320 his rationale because he's a crazy person and we're not even going to we're not even going to

01:25:18.460 discuss it and then like you said because it's now medicalized you don't give him a normal criminal

01:25:24.920 term like you're not going to give him 25 to life you're not going to give him 15 years plus

01:25:29.080 you're going to give him we're going to put him in a facility and then there's that dot dot dot

01:25:34.840 and then he never leaves and he probably gets lobotomized so it's essentially an execution

01:25:39.060 i don't care if the person has an iq of 60 if they rape someone there they should be tried for

01:25:45.680 rape if they kill someone they should be on trial for murder right i don't care how dumb they are

01:25:51.380 and you shouldn't either because the you're judging the act right exactly and to your point

01:25:57.140 john hinckley jr was the man who tried to assassinate ronald reagan and in the book i'm

01:26:05.180 really spoiling the book but we'll get to it later they they were trying to pin the insane defense

01:26:09.580 on him and he didn't want to do it he was like i know why i did it i i don't want you to call me

01:26:14.440 insane like most people who commit political terrorism or political assassinations they

01:26:19.900 actually don't want to be seen as insane like sirhan sirhan but it's but it the the the claim

01:26:27.620 in the book is that society wants to see that that way they want to seem deranged because it

01:26:32.980 means that we don't need to look into why they did it which isn't to say that you need to agree

01:26:38.420 with why they did it but you have to understand that there might be a logical reason and if there's

01:26:44.820 if the logical reason is bad you can hate them more he if he committed the crime you're charging

01:26:49.660 for the crime as long as you're charging for the crime the motivations don't fucking matter

01:26:52.840 if you wanted to talk about the motivations you can litigate them but like if you wanted to avoid

01:26:56.420 litigating the motivations you can just charge the guy for the crime but that's the funny thing

01:26:59.800 about this is now it's like no we're this is about you yeah this is we're trying to no crime

01:27:04.720 it's only motivations this is this is the final form of the therapeutic state where the only crime

01:27:12.460 is those who want to like believe in crime that's the irony of it and this is why you know black

01:27:19.920 people exist at the center of the system because they can just get away with crime because in a

01:27:26.220 truly liberal way they've decided that black people are permanently insane and have zero agency

01:27:32.280 and black people have not figured that out yet or they kind of some have and it's funny because we

01:27:38.640 are the side that believes black people are permanently insane and have zero agency we just

01:27:43.560 want to act accordingly so they believe the same thing we do they just put their heads in the sand

01:27:50.200 and try to work around it like yeah and see the thing is like we're saying before with john hickley

01:27:55.000 jr they don't want to look at the reason because they need to believe that no sane person would

01:27:59.900 want to shoot the president and the final form of the therapeutic state is them saying no sane

01:28:05.680 person would be hateful and by extension no sane person would want to upset the status quo

01:28:15.480 so the system we live in now which everyone can you know in this case it's a guy who wrote for

01:28:21.020 the daily stormer under a pen name we wrote a bunch of articles for the daily stormer that's

01:28:26.040 fucking it and made fun of a holocaust survivor but the idea is that they've they've pathologized

01:28:32.080 society so much that only an insane person would complain about people talking about the holocaust

01:28:39.180 too much only a deranged person would want to change society that's where we're at that oh if

01:28:47.760 you want to do anything that maybe upsets the status quo you must be deranged you must have

01:28:53.000 some antisocial pathology about you and that to me is the most interesting part of it so any any

01:28:59.120 dissident period is in the crosshairs and you don't need to be a writer for the daily stormer

01:29:05.120 anyone like they have already got you pegged as someone who's got some mental illness because

01:29:11.840 you want to complain about

01:29:13.960 COVID, or you got a

01:29:15.800 few heterodox opinions

01:29:18.140 about this event

01:29:19.880 or that event, or maybe the good guys

01:29:21.940 didn't, the quote-unquote good guys

01:29:23.920 didn't win every war, right?

01:29:26.400 And that's a system that could

01:29:27.860 be brought down on you, and

01:29:29.600 you won't end up in a courtroom.

01:29:31.740 They've already figured out how to get

01:29:33.780 you shepherded into this other

01:29:35.800 parallel system,

01:29:37.700 and that's even before we get to

01:29:39.620 debanking and things like that.

01:29:40.920 That leads into a larger idea I've been working on, and this was informed by a book that I read recently.

01:29:47.900 It's a very interesting book called The Square and the Tower by Niall Ferguson.

01:29:53.420 What I was thinking about mainly, which was informed by this book, was about how to, in short, how to create a secret society.

01:30:02.760 Because on our side, we talk a lot about creating parallel societies, businesses, communities, all that good stuff.

01:30:10.420 which i still agree with but this book and a lot of others have pointed out that that's a that's

01:30:18.300 public facing that's above board but there's a whole strata of society that is below board

01:30:23.580 um and we're not talking about elites elites are like elites are high up secret societies are

01:30:30.680 almost believed but beneath that but sometimes they intertwine but um the book is about the

01:30:37.600 influence of secret societies and affiliations even like for example the freemasons um all

01:30:44.560 throughout history and how they informed world events or in informed intellectual movements

01:30:52.080 that eventually cascaded into huge revolutionary events any historical phenomenon any organization

01:31:01.920 of human beings has some network architecture. And everybody is a node and their relationships

01:31:09.160 are edges and it doesn't really matter what it is. You ought to be able to plot that if

01:31:13.000 you have the data. And this is a pretty powerful tool just in itself and not one that has tended

01:31:18.860 to be used much. As you mentioned, for years people tended to think of social change in

01:31:23.580 terms of classes. But class is a very blunt instrument for historical study. It worked

01:31:29.780 for Marx but the fact that historians are still using that framework so long after Marx wrote

01:31:34.820 is odd when in fact you can capture much more about any social movement by graphing the network

01:31:40.900 I guess what I was trying to get at before was me thinking that I've heard people say this before

01:31:45.900 even some guys in our chat they've said we got to start a secret society or we need to explore

01:31:50.560 secret societies and I never really took that seriously or I'm like oh what do you mean that

01:31:55.160 sounds kind of goofy but once you understand how prolific they were throughout time and even now

01:32:02.800 um and the reason they exist you start to see that a lot of power is held in these places and

01:32:08.860 i think that's missing on our side furthermore i think that having public facing parallel societies

01:32:16.680 and all that good stuff is is proper but i do think there needs to be a more secretive aspect

01:32:22.460 or at least a fraternal order that exists in the shadows,

01:32:27.920 that is designed to exist in the shadows.

01:32:30.240 It's not just in the shadows because it's ineffective or small.

01:32:33.000 It's designed to be secret

01:32:34.680 because I think that will become increasingly relevant

01:32:39.280 as we move forward in a pathologized system.

01:32:44.120 And when we talked about political panorology many episodes ago,

01:32:47.200 we explored how mental illness can propagate

01:32:51.160 in a society and in a government

01:32:53.800 and in any sort of organization.

01:32:56.040 Basically, if you get insane, deranged,

01:32:59.440 dysgenic people in charge of an organization,

01:33:01.620 they can infect everyone else with it

01:33:03.240 by changing the rules and making it so

01:33:05.520 to survive that system,

01:33:06.880 you also need to think like them

01:33:08.340 and be paranoid and be crazy and be,

01:33:11.400 you know, the ultimate example is the Soviet Union.

01:33:13.820 But I think that people might think

01:33:17.400 this sounds too grandiose,

01:33:19.400 But I do think we need to explore how to how to live as sane people in an insane world or a a world that wants to make you want to treat you like you're insane for being normal, because I don't want to use their terminology.

01:33:35.160 Right. But they're going to make you feel insane for behaving this way.

01:33:38.520 And I think we need to everyone wants to come out in the open and dox themselves.

01:33:42.640 I'm like, yes, people should.

01:33:45.260 But I think to do that, we should also embrace the secretive.

01:33:48.140 it's always like an either or in our scene it's like you either be anonymous or you be out in the

01:33:52.540 open and i do think we need to embrace both does that make sense yeah absolutely i was thinking

01:33:58.600 about it actually in terms of like kind of like a foil to the idea of atomization that we talk

01:34:03.820 about so much that everybody is an individual and your relationships are kind of flat and equal

01:34:09.180 across the whole world across the nation and and um the opposite to that would be you have a very

01:34:15.900 very tight close-knit group essentially we're talking about families right it's like a little

01:34:19.640 clan but it's an even better it's an even more tight and powerful clan because it's something

01:34:26.540 where you're really formalizing the sharing of resources and information and habits and rights

01:34:33.200 and rituals and like it's weird because that has because that's like when you describe that to

01:34:40.120 somebody they're like oh well that's the masons and it sounds scary and evil and i wonder whether

01:34:44.820 it sounds scary and evil because it's just another part of this institutional capture where they want

01:34:50.200 us to be atomized and they don't want us to think that way because i think for a lot of our history

01:34:54.520 most people and again the other thing i wanted to say is you think of the example of the masons

01:34:59.880 and there's this association with the masons being like elite but the truth is that we got guys in

01:35:04.900 our in our chat who have have been or are masons and they're just tradesmen like and i had people

01:35:10.300 in my family who were tradesmen and were masons like it's not an elite thing it's just a fucking

01:35:15.060 club just because it's a club doesn't mean it's elite everybody you could have a population of

01:35:20.000 10 million and every one of those individuals is between in between one and three secret clubs

01:35:24.940 right but the point is the secret club is a mode of organizing those people which is a benefit to

01:35:30.080 them and to larger society so yeah i think to embrace that would also be solving some of the

01:35:35.960 other issues we discussed earlier about men not knowing how to be men yes i think yeah well if

01:35:41.360 you're part of a fraternal organization you're not just hanging out with your wife and the girls all

01:35:45.760 day you know like it's an excuse to actually like hang out with guys and do guy stuff and this is

01:35:50.340 precisely what was discussed in the book bowling alone by robert putnam which we covered many many

01:35:57.520 episodes ago it's a a perennial title in our scene people are always returning to it um and that was

01:36:04.080 in short a book about how uh civic engagement has cratered over the 20th century um and you know the

01:36:12.900 example given in the book was bowling leagues everyone used to be part of a bowling league now

01:36:16.140 no one's part of a bowling league but that was echoed enough in almost every single area where

01:36:21.240 people used to meet and be part of organizations or like the friars or you know you can name a

01:36:26.760 thousand different organizations now no one is no one meets up for these extracurricular

01:36:31.760 just groups groups of affiliation of fraternity um and that was you know you can track the

01:36:39.860 downfall of that with the downfall of all civic engagement and and the isolation of everybody

01:36:44.440 anyway it's a great book you can go listen to the clip of that we covered in greater detail

01:36:48.680 but no i agree with what you're saying completely and i think that's that's missing and the secret

01:36:55.120 society might sound like the secret society is more of just an intellectual tilt to that

01:37:01.760 it's just a bunch of people getting together and discussing heterodox or dangerous ideas

01:37:07.420 these have existed in every single society um and the book uh the square in the tower

01:37:12.860 which is let me just say a great book however the beginning of it was better than the entire

01:37:19.140 middle part um the book sets up the thesis and it's it's really engaging and then it kind of

01:37:26.780 goes throughout human history and there's parts of it that aren't really about secret societies

01:37:33.200 it's just kind of a reading of history um and if you're familiar with you know the bolshevik

01:37:38.380 revolution if you're familiar with a lot of these other things you'll you can kind of skim it but i

01:37:42.860 found like the first quarter of it was really really solid and the end uh it actually opens

01:37:49.180 it's funny because he's coming at it from a very familiar liberal perspective where he's saying

01:37:55.820 that um he uses the illuminati as an example he says here's the funny thing he's against

01:38:03.220 conspiracy theorists like this is an anti-conspiracy theorist book he's clear about

01:38:08.060 that but he's also trying to reaffirm the idea of secret society conspiracies so the example he

01:38:15.020 gives is the illuminati and he says you know the illuminati existed the illuminati were real and

01:38:20.460 the illuminati were what you think about them in recent years a tremendous group of scholars in

01:38:27.960 germany have written a serious history of the illuminati which did exist there really was a

01:38:34.480 radical enlightenment secret order founded in the 1770s designed to promote the ideas of the more

01:38:42.080 radical parts of the enlightenment and it its strategy was to penetrate the existing structure

01:38:49.200 of masonic lodges they were kind of uh infiltrating freemasonry that the lodges turn out to have

01:38:56.800 quite extensive records relating to the society then you're basically saying we're going back to

01:39:02.240 a different sort of institution and their archives that's more a question of looking harder for

01:39:05.760 archives rather than a different method well i think it is that because clearly you can't do

01:39:10.000 anything without some source material the characteristic feature of network organizations

01:39:15.680 is that there is source material but it's very widely dispersed because it's a network another

01:39:21.120 good example which is actually going on at stanford right now is the way in which the

01:39:26.640 The Enlightenment itself can be understood as a network phenomenon.

01:39:32.300 How do you do that?

01:39:33.600 Well, you look at the networks of correspondence and publication

01:39:37.220 through which Enlightenment ideas spread.

01:39:41.060 His thing is that they just, they lived and they died.

01:39:44.220 They were only existing for a small period of time,

01:39:48.880 but their reputation and the legend of them propagates throughout time.

01:39:54.940 so he's actually like i'm i'm trying to in his mind he's trying to save secret societies from

01:40:01.300 the conspiracy theorists that's his stated goal now i got some thoughts about that i'm not going

01:40:06.040 to really throw slings and arrows at the book but you know he tends to reaffirm a lot of

01:40:11.540 conspiracy theorists throughout the this book without even realizing it um but really using

01:40:19.180 the illuminati as an example he would say that it's about the book is about how disruptive

01:40:23.300 networks threaten established hierarchies um and he's trying to find the middle ground between

01:40:28.460 conspiracy theories and the mainstream dismissal of secretive networks so he's trying to speak to

01:40:33.740 other lives by saying okay look we know the crazies talk about this but secretive networks

01:40:38.240 are real and you we should all take them seriously um and he claims that these networks are because

01:40:43.980 are currently becoming the defining force of world events because what are they they're just

01:40:49.300 relationship networks and he had said that these relationship networks are superseding the uh

01:40:56.260 state-run chessboard like the geopolitics he's saying that this whole he's essentially talking

01:41:02.700 about the elites here he's saying like we have geopolitical state actors and nation states and

01:41:07.340 neo-realism but you know what does that say about not everyone who goes to the davos summit

01:41:12.980 is a state policymaker some are just billionaires some are just aristocrats some are just the

01:41:18.500 these people who keep showing up at these parties you know these are the elites and that they he's

01:41:23.560 he's making a case that these are the deciders of world events which it's you know sometimes we

01:41:28.900 can quibble over the details but i think that's a pretty solid point he's making it was a dream

01:41:34.740 wasn't it we were all going to be netizens and everybody was going to be uh uh as it were on a

01:41:39.720 level playing field in a giant network but in fact that's not what network science predicted at all

01:41:46.480 as social networks grow, they don't grow in a kind of equal way

01:41:51.800 where new nodes attach themselves randomly to the existing nodes in the network.

01:41:57.740 The new nodes have a preference to be attached to the well-connected nodes.

01:42:03.100 And so the already well-connected become even more connected.

01:42:07.680 The rich get richer, the fit get fitter, the connected get more connected.

01:42:13.040 So when you look at networks from the vantage point of a physicist like the great Laszlo Barabasi, what you find is that the networks are the least egalitarian of structures.

01:42:24.040 As they grow, the returns, connectedness, get more and more concentrated in a few hands.

01:42:32.080 We who use social networks, who are the users, should be distinguished clearly from those who own them.

01:42:39.200 And the ownership of the giant network platforms is incredibly concentrated.

01:42:44.320 And as you mentioned, it has made billionaires of a relatively small number of people in Silicon Valley.

01:42:50.780 So one of the, I think, unintended consequences, and there have been many,

01:42:54.900 but one of the most important unintended consequences of the Internet age

01:42:59.080 has been to amplify, to reinforce inequality by allowing connectedness

01:43:04.820 to become an incredible source of wealth as well as influence like i even heard people like recently

01:43:12.400 i brought up in some some chat about you know the people who go to the davos summit and the guy was

01:43:19.680 like oh you think oh just this klaus schwab you think there's like 85 year old asshole is running

01:43:25.800 everything like no i'm just saying that there's this place where all of the decision makers and

01:43:31.520 policymakers go frequently to listen to talks about the wildest shit you've ever heard of and

01:43:38.340 the stuff they want to do and you think that's just not worth looking into that again just as

01:43:43.960 aside that blows my fucking mind it's like there's the the the whole being more than the sum of its

01:43:49.780 parts like when you describe it like hey the davos summit is only it's only the wealthiest most

01:43:56.500 influential people on earth having private meetings that are not publicized about what

01:44:00.560 they're going to do over the next 10 years and we never find out until 10 years later that's an

01:44:05.240 objective true take on the situation that's not a conspiracy theory right that's just cnn the the

01:44:11.840 whole being greater than the sum of the parts is the conspiracy where it's like now there's this

01:44:16.360 it takes on this magical element like the history and the symbolism and maybe they're lizards and do

01:44:22.520 they wear black cloaks and like and it's like if you add that to it some people recoil and they

01:44:28.800 don't want to talk about it but like don't throw the whole thing out i mean we know schwab and musk

01:44:34.560 and trudeau and all these fucking people are there and they are actually talking like what is there

01:44:41.460 to deny you know yeah it's funny because he even says in the book like you know homo sapiens

01:44:46.780 evolved as a networked ape that existed in communities and we always talked about the

01:44:51.520 number or like the the the limit to a cohesive community is something like 150 members so you

01:45:01.340 can actually apply that to a lot of even current networks that if you're to look at aristocratic

01:45:06.800 networks or any sort of network they might cap out at 150 people and if they get beyond that

01:45:14.140 they either splinter off into multiple groups or they just die you know what i mean so it's like

01:45:19.300 You can actually apply the same anthropological laws to, like, these fucking elite networking events if you wanted to.

01:45:31.640 And the whole idea behind the title, The Square and the Tower, it's a reference to how markets and bureaucracies are just two forms of these information-sharing networks,

01:45:42.120 which is why he always said that the tower representing the state was always beside the public square.

01:45:48.520 If you go to Siena, and I urge all viewers to do this,

01:45:52.160 you will see the most perfect juxtaposition of a square and a tower.

01:45:57.500 The Torre del Manja, which is this extraordinarily beautiful tower,

01:46:02.200 casts a great shadow over the main piazza in the center of Siena.

01:46:06.600 And that's the symbol I was looking for.

01:46:09.220 I hadn't been there since I was in my 20s,

01:46:11.480 but I've always thought of Siena when I've been trying to understand

01:46:15.100 the relationship between government in the sense of hierarchical power structures and

01:46:21.140 informal social networks of the sort that you find in town squares.

01:46:25.360 You know, like it was always leering over the market because the market, and this is

01:46:29.900 where the free market theorists will kind of like this, the market was just a generative

01:46:35.540 information sharing network that just takes a certain form.

01:46:38.620 And these information sharing networks can take different forms in different areas of

01:46:42.280 society.

01:46:42.740 um and it really early on gets into graph theory and i've mentioned this on the show before

01:46:49.120 now i find graph theory fascinating and it's something that i think some people have intuited

01:46:55.000 before but i just liked how it was summarized here um it's basically it's like how you can

01:47:01.700 it was this is what inspired social network theory and which is kind of commonplace now but

01:47:07.660 the idea that you can kind of graph relationship as nodes on a graph like you imagine like nodes

01:47:13.900 with like connections and that the line between these two circles of these two nodes represents

01:47:18.480 a relationship you know and it's like um those two nodes if you introduce a third node that's

01:47:23.600 connected to both of them that node that that connecting node actually has the most relationships

01:47:29.400 and that you can kind of map social relationships on the nodes that have the most connections

01:47:34.840 and if you look at the way he he looks at this is like if you look at every revolutionary

01:47:40.720 movement throughout history um using the enlightenment as one example or the uh

01:47:46.740 the Protestant Reformation or the uh American Revolution you can actually map out based on

01:47:55.180 like who was involved because every intellectual or revolutionary movement has actors there's not

01:48:00.180 that many like if you look at the Protestant Reformation or the Enlightenment it was actually

01:48:04.520 just like a few hundred really engaged individuals that were spread out across europe and what he

01:48:11.840 found was that you would think that all these enlightenment thinkers were communicating with

01:48:16.920 each other they weren't like the the people in france pretty much only talked to those in france

01:48:21.700 and people in england only talked to those in england but it was up to like a few key super

01:48:28.420 nodes that kind of communicated between both areas and that's how information traveled because

01:48:34.380 he was saying the theory of graph theory is that you have all these connections in one area

01:48:38.240 and these areas are separate but if you have like one node that connects them that's where

01:48:42.460 innovation happens and um i think the example i'd given my previous episode was paul revere

01:48:48.960 paul revere in the context of the american revolution everyone knows him as you know

01:48:55.080 the british are coming the british are coming but if you actually look at who he was he was a guy who

01:48:59.240 knew everyone so it's often these couriers or these gatekeepers as he calls them that act as

01:49:04.900 like central informational hubs so if you need to pass a message to somewhere like and a lot of

01:49:09.840 these times a lot sorry a lot of these instances these groups or these regions or these like

01:49:15.020 collectives or secret societies don't even like each other it's pretty common for these vast

01:49:21.760 intellectual movements or revolutionary movements to fucking hate each other and suffer like these

01:49:26.720 few key figures to like trick or get people to work together you know i mean to talk to get the

01:49:33.580 people who don't even want to talk to each other to talk to each other um and these are just the

01:49:40.440 nodes with the most edges um and so and that's how and because if you look at the early stages

01:49:46.620 of the most revolutionary movements it's very messy there's a lot of infighting there's a lot

01:49:50.600 of ideological turmoil people don't get along they bicker over the exact same stuff that we're

01:49:55.560 bickering about in our scene but there's a few key figures who will try and like broker peace or like

01:50:00.680 keep everyone together and like you always come back to that main theory that it's when these

01:50:07.900 divergent things these regions kind of collide that true innovation and power and the actual

01:50:15.400 revolution or whatever it is happens my attitude is when i meet people who work on social network

01:50:22.460 analysis. Gee, what you're doing is really interesting, but did you ever think about the

01:50:26.000 Nazi party? And it seems to me as if the agenda, the research agenda, has not been particularly

01:50:32.100 well designed. Strategically, we really want to know the answer to your question because it makes

01:50:38.380 a big difference to our understanding of any revolutionary movement how important the formal

01:50:45.020 leader was. Here's another problem. These very apparently revolutionary networks, the Bolsheviks

01:50:52.440 are another good example, seem to have the ability of becoming highly centralized hierarchies the

01:50:58.240 minute they come to power. And that process whereby the Bolsheviks go from being a revolutionary

01:51:04.200 network into being under the principle of democratic centralism, a dictatorship with

01:51:08.960 Lenin and then Stalin in near total control, we still don't understand enough about how that was

01:51:14.040 dumb um and these are typically done through secret societies and that's kind of the point

01:51:19.540 he was getting at that a lot of these revolutions is guys meeting in cafes it's meeting in people's

01:51:25.320 houses it's meeting in libraries it's guys in a room talking about stuff they're not supposed to

01:51:30.760 fucking talk about and they're so clandestine like they don't really interface with the real world

01:51:36.560 and that's something i kept coming back to as i was reading this because

01:51:40.180 in what i notice this isn't just on the right or the distant right but it's on the left too

01:51:46.260 we seem to think that every group needs to be both we need to be both secret and public facing

01:51:51.480 like there's intellectuals in a room but unless we also have a website we're not doing it right

01:51:56.400 i'm like that's too much to do like a secret society of intellectuals talking about crazy

01:52:01.460 shit should just be that and then you should also have a public facing that's its own entity you

01:52:07.120 know but this idea that the intellectual movement can also be giving speeches like it's never done

01:52:13.980 that and that's why they always meet schools and and uh academia these are usually just like a

01:52:19.760 bunch of dorks meeting talking about crazy new ideas but that eventually they kind of disseminate

01:52:26.720 into the public and that's where the real change happens right and that's the thing i'm gonna say

01:52:32.160 this before i forget it this was not covered in the book but i was thinking back to the beginning

01:52:39.980 where he was pointing to the illuminati as an example and he said the illuminati it lived in

01:52:44.900 it died and it was it was this big nothing burger and he does make a good point that i liked in the

01:52:50.220 book where he says the successful secret societies you never hear about it's only the failures that

01:52:55.500 no one can stop talking about which makes sense right um he's like oh there's all kinds of secret

01:53:00.920 societies but why would we fucking talk about them but the more of a failure it is the more

01:53:05.880 of like the star of the show it is and i i can agree with that let's take that for granted okay

01:53:12.740 but i i think i just kept coming back to like the idea of disseminating the individuals once

01:53:21.680 a society collapses once a group or clandestine sector collapses all those people filter out

01:53:28.820 into society like spores like nodes and and it's not like they you know for whatever reason the

01:53:34.860 group disbanded and a lot of these groups in academia like um there's a couple examples here

01:53:41.680 like there's like a couple of secret societies in oxford and cambridge these are two great

01:53:47.980 examples in oxford and cambridge they're almost polar opposites of the types of societies they

01:53:53.220 wanted to run because one of them was the apostles of cambridge with canes was in there being really

01:54:00.700 really liberal and gay and then the um the other one was more trad and more trying to be and

01:54:08.180 heterosexual like they were like shadows of each other but you know the individuals who are part

01:54:14.260 of these secret societies um in in academia like the uh apostles of cambridge these these societies

01:54:20.600 fell apart usually for internal struggles too many people were fucking the same whore whatever it is

01:54:26.640 the same reason any group dies but then there's something that we do where we think oh that society

01:54:31.400 or that club or that group died so that means those ideas died with them it's like no no they

01:54:38.100 just got jobs in government so i had this idea and same thing with the illuminati if we accept

01:54:44.420 that the illuminati existed then stopped existing i'm like well would the members of the illuminati

01:54:49.440 And the the Illuminati described in the book is the one that we think it is, which is that they're trying to control the population.

01:54:57.880 They're trying to for this sort of secular humanism, all the same shit.

01:55:02.460 But those members didn't change.

01:55:04.620 You just scattered them to the wind and then they infected other groups.

01:55:08.900 They infected other state apparatuses.

01:55:12.520 right so to me it almost seemed like every intellectual group every sort of clandestine

01:55:19.540 group it should die like it needs to die because if it stays as a group it can be contained

01:55:24.780 and it's only when these groups die like a corpse exploding does it scatter the virus

01:55:29.920 into society so like the death of the illuminati was the the permanence of the illuminati in a

01:55:37.560 sense now that sounds very you know maybe i'm getting off in the weeds on that but but do you

01:55:43.800 kind of get what i'm saying there yeah it's i mean i don't the permanence of it would be that

01:55:49.000 it still exists and it's invisible but i think they want to write it off by saying oh it was

01:55:54.300 destroyed like no it's more like if you think of think of it like a piece of physical matter

01:55:59.700 like when you destroy it you're breaking the pattern you're breaking the relationship between

01:56:04.320 those individuals but i mean that might not dissipate for 500 years if they go off maybe

01:56:09.480 maybe there are 100 of them who's to say that 25 of them didn't go off and form a new secret group

01:56:14.700 which had a smaller influence and so was never detected so like you haven't really broken the

01:56:20.300 conspiracy theory actually what you've done is you've created a bunch of loopholes where it's

01:56:24.520 now easier to believe that some variation of the theory almost must be true so yeah well he's got

01:56:31.060 this line here it says networks never sleep networks are fluid and changing rather than

01:56:36.100 static it's only static and autocratic systems that tend to fail um and and you know the networks

01:56:43.540 can can behave in a more agile way um and what you notice about networks as well as they're

01:56:49.760 inegalitarian this is what you notice with graph theory is that people who have the most connections

01:56:54.020 or the most edges or lines connected to them tend to attract more edges right so he's got some

01:57:01.780 seven insights here that kind of summarize his worldview and i think this is the most important

01:57:06.580 one the seven insights are uh first no man is an island conceived of as nodes and networks

01:57:13.820 individuals can be understood in terms of their relationships to other nodes the edges that

01:57:18.840 connect them not all nodes are equal the second one is weak ties are strong it also matters how

01:57:26.380 dense a network is and how connected it is to other clusters even if it is only through a few

01:57:31.740 weak links and this is how gorilla movements can operate like you think that oh gorillas are

01:57:37.460 decentralized not so like they're not completely decentralized they just have weak ties between

01:57:43.140 each other that's how they can still operate as a unit but if you are truly isolated then you are

01:57:47.720 truly isolated then you are easy to destroy but a lot of the times when people think a system is

01:57:52.900 decentralized it has some weak edges you can't you just can't notice um birds of a feather flock

01:58:02.120 together because of homophily social networks can be understood partly in terms of like attracting

01:58:07.960 like however it is not always self-evident which shared attributes or preference causes people to

01:58:13.680 cluster together the next one is networks never sleep which i covered then networks network when

01:58:20.020 networks interact the results can be innovation and invention when a network disrupts an ossified

01:58:25.900 hierarchy it can overthrow it with breathtaking speed but when a hierarchy attacks a fragile

01:58:32.140 network the result can be the network's collapse the next one is the rich get richer because of

01:58:37.660 preferential attachment most social networks are profoundly in egalitarian and that's what i

01:58:43.620 covered before so those are like the insights on how networks operate and once you once you

01:58:48.600 understand that then secret societies start to make sense then you can think of different ways

01:58:52.940 to form a secret society you can actually form them on any metric you want it could be religious

01:58:58.500 it could be racial it could be any other value set you can imagine however i i the one point i

01:59:05.020 wanted to express to people is it keep in mind the connections between the networks and the values of

01:59:10.520 those connections and actually you know i discussed this when we were talking about

01:59:14.560 um i don't want to get too much into the drama but as an example of someone

01:59:19.740 doing something like this i cited academic agent on his recent just you know just as an example i

01:59:27.740 got nothing big against him but he was basically saying that anyone who associates with keith woods

01:59:33.100 or is has known him or even talks to him you're blackballed in the academic agent community and

01:59:39.240 he's got a pretty large community and i describe this as anti-node behavior so even if you disagree

01:59:44.760 with someone even if you your values don't align completely you know just talking to someone or

01:59:50.700 being within the same constellation of them you know that that destroying trying to sever those

01:59:58.720 edges or those connections is something that we shouldn't do in this scene now or if we do that

02:00:04.740 we must be absolutely convinced that they're cancerous and i'm not convinced that the individuals

02:00:11.900 in question are cancerous i and so i'm very very cautious to engage in what i would describe as

02:00:18.100 anti-node behavior drawing barriers start saying never we never talk to anyone we're a closed

02:00:24.140 circuit i'm like no because i actually think you lock yourself off from opportunity or or just the

02:00:31.560 the electricity of proximity i don't i've never seen that work i've never seen a work where this

02:00:38.360 little tiny island off in the distance ends up becoming the next rome yeah i mean i think part

02:00:47.160 of the missing piece here is the idea of having multiple networks and the way that they overlap

02:00:52.280 like if we're looking at the dissident right in this case using that example as what 500 guys

02:00:58.920 10 000 guys i don't know but it's this group and each like guy a guy like him is gonna be like oh

02:01:05.520 i'm i'm claiming leadership for the whole group and i don't like you so you're out of the group

02:01:11.160 and it's like well first of all you can't and second of all you shouldn't want to because it's

02:01:16.920 a large group and you don't have strong relationships with these people what you should

02:01:21.420 want you should want to have your small close group and in your small close group of maybe

02:01:26.020 20 30 maybe 50 people you do kick people out i'm just going to use our chat as an example like we

02:01:31.740 boot people from the chat all the time and these are guys that we kind of know that we're on a

02:01:34.960 first name basis and we goof around and we tell stories and we kind of know about each other's

02:01:39.100 families and what like you know we're close and you you can kick people out of that group but you

02:01:44.160 wouldn't try to kick people out of the larger group you know i mean like that's an instance

02:01:46.620 of him treating the larger group as if it's his clan and the thing is is you want to have the

02:01:52.040 middle group in the large group and the clan and then the power comes from you in the clan forming

02:01:58.140 a plan and each of you then following the meeting or the the formation of the plan you go out into

02:02:05.200 your larger networks into the other groups that you're a part of and you affect that change from

02:02:10.580 the that you formed in the smaller primary private group right that's that's the illuminati or like

02:02:16.180 that's just groups general that's the fucking uh the shriners you know that's that that's a that's

02:02:22.020 a good example that's a board of deacons at a church it's the same thing so like i don't know

02:02:28.860 like you you you do need you do need to be able to kick people out of the group but if you're

02:02:33.980 walking around acting like the whole fucking town is your group like come on buddy that's a good

02:02:40.660 point um and i like the example of the shriners that's just one example of like an affiliation

02:02:45.320 network and just like the masons like you know if we want i don't want to get off on the whole

02:02:50.420 freemason thing but we've known a few people who are part of it and the argument can be made that

02:02:55.580 i think i was saying this earlier i don't know if i got to this point that

02:02:58.420 one consequence of conspiracy theory culture and i've got of course we have nothing against that

02:03:07.080 but um what i noticed with a lot of conspiracy theory guys is they think every secret society

02:03:14.120 is evil because they think the natural state of man is to be open right and i think there's

02:03:21.480 a stronger case to be made that no throughout time everyone had secret affiliations that's

02:03:26.280 kind of what a guild was as well everyone or you know there's a there's the church but then there's

02:03:30.760 also all these secret fraternal orders you go all throughout time they had this so it's like there

02:03:35.700 was varying levels of of citizenship within the country itself to different networks and a man

02:03:43.560 could have several affiliation networks i think that's something that's playing in men now is

02:03:50.060 they don't have affiliation networks even in our scene we kind of have some together based over

02:03:54.280 politics but i would not be surprised if and i know not everyone will like there's a lot of guys

02:04:00.600 in our scene who are who have it all figured out but for most young guys they don't have these

02:04:06.440 fraternal affiliation networks at all and they're just left adrift and i think you know the idea

02:04:12.200 with the freemasons like we looked a lot of conspiracy guys looked at that like that's just

02:04:16.180 evil because it's secretive i don't think something is bad just because it's secretive

02:04:20.620 and the masons could have a lot wrong with them you know with their whatever people get in like

02:04:25.420 oh they're pushing atheism i'm not going to get into that okay what i'm saying is there should

02:04:29.600 be 10 000 more examples like the freemasons what i'm saying is you could have something

02:04:34.680 like the freemasons for your thing because if you don't like the freemasons because they're pushing

02:04:40.760 a corrupted form of atheistic christianity or secular humanism okay but you can take

02:04:47.040 the system the you can take the organizational principles of the freemasons and do something

02:04:53.200 like that you know it doesn't need to be the skull and bone society you don't need to do

02:04:58.140 the cremation of care and dress up and do weird orgy shit okay and that's one thing i think you

02:05:04.820 know you want to separate from like just to have a secret society doesn't mean you need to engage

02:05:09.720 and orgies it often happens um but that's not a consequence of encroaching satanism that's just

02:05:16.360 what happens when you get enough dorks into a room yes get enough horny guys who've read too

02:05:22.720 many books get a room of 20 guys and three girls and see what fucking happens you know it's gonna

02:05:30.420 be an order everyone's gonna be they will be gay with each other with the chance to get to those

02:05:34.360 girls yes that's just the nature of intellectuals i'm sorry to say but it doesn't need to end up

02:05:40.920 like that you can design it in such a way where that's not an inevitability oh and like he uses

02:05:47.180 the enlightenment as an example the enlightenment was largely a network of intellectuals operating

02:05:51.440 in private in with letters all across europe largely clustered in regions and this is what

02:05:56.880 salon culture was and i think you know for our side especially we should always be asking you

02:06:02.120 know we have our chat rooms and stuff but where do where do people meet up where's the salons and

02:06:07.400 we kind of have something going on with some events that are going on and conferences and

02:06:11.520 whatnot but it'll be nice to get something more regional and more casual it's very nice to have

02:06:16.900 these big events where people fly in and get a hotel and go to a big dinner but even a place you

02:06:22.240 meet up more casually with guys in your area to talk about crazy ideas and whatnot like having

02:06:29.240 that would be healthy as well you know yeah for sure he actually you know i know we need to get

02:06:37.360 going soon but uh he gave a good example in this he was citing carol quigley um and carol quigley

02:06:43.520 has nothing but uh nasty things to say about the british but uh he did a several good investigations

02:06:50.240 into the british empire and he he was talking about how the round table there was this group

02:06:55.400 called the round table in britain and um it had plans to unite everyone around britain and kind

02:07:01.460 of run the british empire from the shadows um he made a claim that and i believe this is true that

02:07:07.460 bridge the british pioneered this form of indirect rule throughout africa and its empire and that's

02:07:13.100 what made um britain and in a sense america so interesting is that when it was it used this sort

02:07:20.260 of network theory it used this lighter touch he calls it as a form of control so it was it was

02:07:27.340 less boots on the ground and more you know the british model would be brokering deals with

02:07:33.000 friendly individuals within these societies bringing them to positions of power so you

02:07:38.500 control those individuals but you're not just putting a white guy in control you know you're

02:07:42.460 not just having soldiers in the streets you're using way way more subversive ways to operate

02:07:47.400 these countries and that is effectively a network policy because you have this the british empire

02:07:53.180 would have you know the idea of the the east india trading company is a fantastic example

02:07:58.380 because the east india trading company wasn't directly controlled by the government but it was

02:08:04.240 affiliated so much and there was this under this decentralized understanding that it was operating

02:08:10.360 in the interests of the larger british empire you know i mean and so it could kind of have this

02:08:15.720 hands-off approach and let these individuals like lawrence of arabia and all these guys kind of do

02:08:20.760 their thing in the name of britain and um kind of tailor their strategies to whatever the region

02:08:27.620 demanded but this this was like a novel way to try and control the world uh it sure might have

02:08:33.820 been done before but he uses the round table and uses the british empire as a very very good

02:08:39.160 example of how that succeeded for so long and arguably what america does right now too

02:08:44.020 what he called them was gentlemanly amateurs so yeah that success of the british empire was

02:08:54.020 this light touch and the reliance on decentralized networks based in layered hierarchy and gentlemanly

02:09:00.380 amateurs and one example he gave was britain succeeded in igniting an arab revolt where

02:09:06.600 germany had failed to try to ignite the same revolt because they were after they actually

02:09:11.880 went after the main networks of power um instead of trying to like trigger a mass revolt on the

02:09:18.400 inside between the underclasses and the peasants that's what the germans tried to do they tried

02:09:23.120 to make like the peasants and the untouchables rise up against them like a class-based thing

02:09:29.340 and it didn't work and then it was the british who came in and tried to like go after the networks

02:09:35.000 of power and turn them against each other and kind of go into the the elites rather than the people

02:09:39.960 um he makes the claim that germany was altogether terrible at subterfuge during world war one

02:09:47.280 um although they succeeded in getting lenin back in russia

02:09:51.280 and he's got this line here that i like that to circle back to what we were talking about before

02:09:57.100 while history is written by the victors shadow groups are the inverse the most

02:10:02.020 successful networks are never known while the failures are on the tip of everyone's tongue

02:10:07.020 he's got a great graph here of the networks of polish opposition to the uh the communists

02:10:15.800 in the 1980s and we talked about this when we talked about uh coup d'etat that book by edward

02:10:22.280 lutwak about how one would carry out a successful coup against the government a military coup

02:10:28.340 and understanding that if you want to overthrow a government it needs to be done very very fast

02:10:34.320 usually done within a few hours but you need to get a lot of people on board with the coup and

02:10:39.280 there's a lot of groups and centers of power in society that if you don't take them into account

02:10:45.720 your coup will not be successful and those groups could be like unions or depending on the country

02:10:51.520 you're in like the religions whatever the religious centers of power are like you need

02:10:55.860 their consent in one way or another either you promise them something or they hate the

02:11:01.080 the main guy as much and he was showing that in a lot of ways the opposition to the soviet

02:11:08.120 government like there were leftist groups who hated the communists a lot of people forget that

02:11:12.500 so you found these like weird allegiances with the left and the right trying to take down

02:11:18.220 a shared enemy so and if you look at that on a graph using graph theory and look at the

02:11:24.740 connections and look at the nodes look at the edges you will see us in a lot of successful

02:11:29.680 revolutions a lot of where these actually work you will find more collaboration between ideological

02:11:37.120 opponents than you would think and just to go back to like the graph theory this is what i was

02:11:43.820 trying to get at the start which is that as a group if you're a collective in this political

02:11:51.100 milieu uh maybe like you have some religious tilt or some ethnic tilt whatever it might be

02:11:56.800 you cannot like any other group and that's fine you could have your beliefs you could believe that

02:12:02.660 you're the best and you should win but you should never try and cut off there will be people that

02:12:08.300 emerge that move between these groups that that you'll find the same faces i used to call these

02:12:14.000 guys middle managers but maybe that was a bit too pejorative i do think they are super nodes

02:12:19.520 and for some reason that you'll see them around everywhere they seem to be friends with everyone

02:12:23.800 And I think those people are the most essential of all.

02:12:27.620 Even if you don't particularly like those people or get along with them and you don't like them because they're not completely on your side, you need to understand their value.

02:12:36.080 That it's these quote unquote middle managers, but it's these faces who might not be, they might not be leaders themselves.

02:12:43.740 They usually are never leaders.

02:12:45.440 They're just toiling away.

02:12:46.820 They just know everyone.

02:12:47.820 You need these people because you need them moving between.

02:12:51.560 You need them linking you together.

02:12:53.800 And they're the unsung heroes of every single fucking revolution because every single revolution or coup or whatever that takes off is usually all of these groups tied together by these few strings.

02:13:07.680 And they're the only way that anything ever takes off.

02:13:10.500 And I guess that was the main thesis I was trying to establish.

02:13:13.840 And there's different ways to measure this, like with ego graphs and whatnot.

02:13:17.940 But when you look at Davos, when you look at the G20, like the G20 is a bad example.

02:13:24.000 That's just government.

02:13:24.800 Look at Davos.

02:13:25.780 That is what Davos is.

02:13:28.340 Davos is a conference of super nodes.

02:13:32.520 Davos is every well-networked person.

02:13:35.580 Like I said, you'll see policymakers there.

02:13:37.720 You'll see billionaires there.

02:13:39.580 They'll just see guys who you've never heard of, but everyone knows them.

02:13:44.040 Those are the important ones.

02:13:45.400 Like all of these guys in the same fucking place.

02:13:47.940 that is what should be giving you pause and the idea that oh the g20s were the real the leaders

02:13:54.140 of the world they don't they're just one piece of the fucking puzzle if you want to look at where

02:13:59.620 the decisions are actually being made look where everyone goes and that's that was that's these

02:14:03.000 other conferences that you people might scoff at just because oh it just seems like a networking

02:14:07.660 event for all these elites i'm like yeah that's where the real shit's happening because they will

02:14:13.960 disseminate out into everything anyway that was just what i wanted to get out of that what do

02:14:20.120 you think about all that yeah yeah yeah no i really like this actually this is the sort of

02:14:24.540 stuff that needs to be discussed more and then actively applied yeah another great example just

02:14:31.300 before i forget because maybe i was using two western examples this is the jihadist network

02:14:36.680 as well the global jihadist network um that the western governments have had a such a difficult

02:14:43.280 time cracking because if you look at how the that network works for of muslim terrorism it's this

02:14:49.600 vast but interconnected and they're interconnected with not only capital but marriage as well they

02:14:56.200 intermarry they create these clans they love creating clans we don't really create clans

02:15:01.100 over here through actual direct relationships and marriage and you know getting 20 000 cousins

02:15:07.020 involved in things but if you actually look at the jihadist network it is a virtual state

02:15:12.120 it can operate on its own it's got enough capital it's got enough research it's got enough

02:15:17.160 centralized power like there's it once you look at it from that perspective the network that

02:15:22.680 we're contending against is as serious as any other state it's just decentralized we'll get

02:15:28.880 into this next episode we talk about the network state but that's just one modern example of you

02:15:34.200 could have one state quote unquote that transcends borders as we know them and transcends multiple

02:15:41.680 different states um and you get what's called a network of networks that's the final form of all

02:15:48.300 this you have a network made of other smaller networks and again there's no one leader in that

02:15:52.620 because you can't have a leader you will never have one leader that unites all of these clusters

02:15:58.780 of nodes and all these groups the best you can get is the people that exist as nodes between them

02:16:05.060 and maybe direct action in some way through that like and just look at how the amer how did it

02:16:11.020 work with the american revolution how did it work in every other revolution how did the reformation

02:16:16.580 happen how did the enlightenment happen the rules haven't really changed that much like who is the

02:16:21.700 leader of the enlightenment who is the leader really of the american revolution like oh well

02:16:27.980 it's like a bunch of guys well exactly you know they kind of get the leader later you get the

02:16:33.020 leader after you've won right up until then it's almost like an internal conflagration on who's

02:16:40.520 going to end up taking over i mean look at the fucking communists look what happened look what

02:16:44.520 happened to trotsky like there was a lot of guys who who were you know candidates for leaders you

02:16:49.960 know anyway that's all i want to talk about that's that i really like that book and this we're going

02:16:55.480 to be pulling on this thread over the next few episodes so anyway i'll let you go unless you

02:17:01.160 have any final thoughts no that's that's great man i like this all right i'll talk to you later

02:17:06.580 Cool.

02:17:09.180 Hey, baby, I hear the blues are calling top salad and scrambled eggs.

02:17:16.180 And maybe I seem a bit confused.

02:17:19.180 Yeah, maybe.

02:17:20.020 But I got you, Craig.

02:17:23.180 I'm welcoming back a good friend of mine by the name of Clossington.

02:17:27.560 Clossington is a writer at the Old Glory Club, which is a group that I am very, very friendly with.

02:17:34.900 And I follow them.

02:17:35.840 You can find them on Substack.

02:17:37.580 And I just wanted to welcome you back, Klaus, because he's got a very, very good topic to talk about today.

02:17:42.820 Well, I wouldn't say that I'm a full-time writer.

02:17:45.780 I've only produced, I believe, this is my third actual article that I've written for them.

02:17:52.540 But whenever I do post for Old Glory Club, I always make sure that I write a small novel for them.

02:17:58.760 um like the the first uh the first article that i wrote the owl and the eye i believe

02:18:05.620 it would take like 40 minutes to read through the entire thing it was a general history of

02:18:11.880 uh the illuminati and freemasonic conspiracy theories uh in continental europe and in

02:18:21.440 american history and then my second my second article was uh returned to east palestine where

02:18:28.640 i went over i guess what my perception of the railway industry looks like as an actual railway

02:18:36.480 engineer and what i actually saw at the east palestine crash when i went to visit and when i

02:18:42.160 went to take water samples from from near the crash site uh and then this article is a

02:18:51.360 it's a general history of of american land piracy so this is this the title is sort of a a play on

02:18:59.520 the book that popularized just about all pirate mythology a general history of pirates uh written

02:19:08.160 I think it was like 1724. But the scope of my article was to describe adequately

02:19:19.320 the political tradition of Anglo-American land grabs facilitated through the use of private

02:19:27.780 militias. Now, this topic mostly encapsulates the general topics of privateering, buccaneering,

02:19:41.980 general piracy, and filibustering. And the term filibuster itself is kind of the term that

02:19:50.520 got me started on this subject. And that's the most fascinating part,

02:19:54.780 how you open it up. And let me just say as a little preface here that I read the entire article

02:19:59.900 and have a great affection for this article because it reminds me in hearing you describe it,

02:20:05.520 I know what it's like to want to approach a topic. You start pulling on a thread and before you know

02:20:10.860 you're 10,000 words in. That's why I've gone to all the vanguardist journal articles being like

02:20:15.520 seven to 9,000 words. And let me just say that this is one of the favorite articles I've read

02:20:22.160 recently because it is so comprehensive and if i can't if i may whack you off a bit right now

02:20:27.080 i would say that from the beginning to the end of this article it really encapsulates

02:20:32.280 something special about the american spirits people are hearing oh piracy i think i know

02:20:38.240 everything there isn't about pirates that's captain jack sparrow you're fucking wrong because

02:20:42.780 in telling the story of land piracy specifically you touch on all forms of piracy you touch on the

02:20:49.600 manifest destiny you touch on the relationship the unique relationship with the frontier in

02:20:54.900 the american psyche and like there's something that you capture in this article that i think

02:21:00.040 is missing in a lot of like if you're into geopolitics you will like this article if you're

02:21:06.080 into sort of the metaphysical identitarian stuff about what it is to be american you'll like this

02:21:11.440 and if you just like interesting stories about pirates mucking about you're gonna like it so

02:21:17.240 that's why i wanted to have you on to discuss it and this dovetails i'm sorry if this is going on

02:21:22.680 a bit long but it dovetails with what we discussed in this episode of the show um near the end we

02:21:29.300 discussed a book called the square and the tower by niall ferguson and you had mentioned something

02:21:34.820 before the show that really piqued my interest you had said and this is what we'll get to in

02:21:39.540 this discussion but you had given sort of a political spectrum of piracy because when people

02:21:45.700 think about pirates don't think about where their allegiances are ideologically spiritually whatever

02:21:50.480 it might be um and the book the square and the tower is about sort of the the importance of

02:21:56.820 and i'm sure if you've read it you'll probably agree about decentralized social networks in

02:22:02.600 pioneering global events and you talked about just now one of your first articles was

02:22:06.880 uh an investigation into the illuminati it's exactly like that and uh so this is i think a

02:22:13.720 great case study not only in you know american mythology but also the topic of the episode which

02:22:19.680 is here's how these groups this one group that everyone thinks might be a cohesive coherent

02:22:25.340 group that has everything in common is in reality this sort of fractured separate cluster of nodes

02:22:31.620 and identities but how they kind of conglomerated in these common directions and that was a bit of

02:22:37.960 a preamble, but we can, what do you think about that? First of all? Well, my general thesis is

02:22:43.780 that privateering and piracy occupied the sort of liminal space that existed on the American frontier

02:22:52.160 where there were no solid borders or boundaries. All of these small isolated colonies had to fend

02:23:02.720 for themselves militarily and for all intents and purposes there was no like one great navy to rule

02:23:10.280 them all it was just a bunch of uh it was a bunch of hodgepodge bands that were sacking and raiding

02:23:18.200 each other uh almost like a vigilante style and i'll get into a few of the uh the cases um but

02:23:27.360 I went as far back as the Elizabethan era and the 1600s and the 1700s because in American history, when the Jeffersonian sort of Virginia dynasty of Jefferson, Madison, and Monroe were in office,

02:23:49.440 they encouraged a very similar spirit of land grabs and land piracy that spawned like at least

02:23:58.680 four or five or six of these small independent raiding like breakaway republics that no one

02:24:07.240 actually knows about or talks about uh like there were three different breakaway republics

02:24:12.840 from florida alone there was a texas revolution before the texas revolution that we know about

02:24:22.440 there was a very long con game to seize the uh the island of cuba um yeah there's also an

02:24:32.340 interesting map there's an interesting map you have right at the beginning of the article it's

02:24:36.040 the republic of sonora the republic of nicaragua the republic of the yucatan there's all these

02:24:42.380 interesting and if you wouldn't mind i would love to read just the first paragraph as a setup for

02:24:48.620 this um because i think it really captures the idea here it says uh whenever a filibuster is

02:24:55.560 brought up in common parlance today it is normally in reference to a legislative tactic whereby

02:25:01.180 someone delivers a speech for an excessively long or long time in order to stall for a vote this is

02:25:07.400 not the type of filibuster discussed in today's article the tale the term filibuster is soaked

02:25:12.380 in blood sweat and gore of thousands of english french and american pirates and patriots who

02:25:18.380 died to satiate the expansionist thirst for land and profit the american gulf coast from florida

02:25:25.720 to texas was not peacefully purchased it was conquered i think that's as good of a setup as

02:25:31.760 any to tell the story of. And also just another appendage to what I was saying before, if people

02:25:38.200 will recall, our listeners, when we discussed George Kennan's book, American Diplomacy,

02:25:44.180 you'll recall that we discussed the American conflicts with Spain, not only by its own

02:25:51.220 shores, but also out in the Philippines, chasing the Spanish Armada out there and taking effectively

02:25:57.460 the philippines and the claim in the book and a lot of people believe that is that was sort of the

02:26:03.140 the kickoff of unilateral american expansionism just for the sake of it because it felt good

02:26:09.460 uh but a lot of you'll hear a lot of echoes of of international conflicts um that you might

02:26:15.780 remember from a show but this will touch on america's relationship with spain which is like

02:26:21.380 my entire knowledge of spain in the european canon of history is very very limited and it shouldn't

02:26:28.340 be and that's another reason i like this article well the um i guess there are two places that i

02:26:35.220 could go one is the uh the origin of the term filibuster itself and then there is the

02:26:43.540 the relationship that the anglos have had with spain since the protestant reformation

02:26:50.260 in england because those those are the the two main sort of topics that i i dance around

02:26:57.980 um the the term filibuster is kind of giving away um the the punchline after i wrap up the um

02:27:07.500 after i get started the relationship england has with spain after the the protestant reformation

02:27:13.740 okay well i mean we can start with uh the relationship with spain and then move on to

02:27:20.280 the filibuster yeah sure um so i get started i go uh as far back as the

02:27:28.400 as far back as henry the eighths break away from the catholic church way back when in the 1500s

02:27:38.120 as part of a larger European, yes, a continental explosion of wars of the Reformation.

02:27:50.420 And in the ascension of Henry VIII, the harsh execution of many Protestants, many of whom were nobles and professors by Mary I, and then the ascension of Queen Elizabeth I,

02:28:14.660 there was a

02:28:16.440 essentially

02:28:18.880 England burned all of its diplomatic

02:28:21.020 ties to Spain

02:28:23.040 Mary the First tried to

02:28:25.220 marry a Habsburg from Spain

02:28:27.160 because they were upset about the encroaching

02:28:29.080 Catholicism was that the story there

02:28:31.280 well that's part of it

02:28:33.140 but

02:28:34.700 the

02:28:37.040 two original generations

02:28:38.960 of Protestant

02:28:40.620 reformers in England

02:28:42.680 were absolutely terrified of the Habsburgs like one of the examples I gave was was Fox's Book of

02:28:53.100 Martyrs which is a massive tome I believe it's like two million word like tome it's just a list

02:29:02.660 of every single major Protestant martyr in England and on continental Europe and it includes all

02:29:11.980 sorts of horrific stories uh i said the the guernsey uh martyrs uh three protestant women

02:29:18.860 that were burned to death one of whom gave was giving birth at the stake and there's a really

02:29:24.580 visceral image of her throwing out her baby um and then uh position has it that the uh the mean

02:29:33.180 catholics that were persecuting her threw the baby back into the fire um but these uh protestants

02:29:41.140 were absolutely terrified of the retribution that the Catholic Church would do against them

02:29:50.340 if they seized power on the English throne again. And so Queen Elizabeth surrounded herself with

02:29:59.100 all sorts of rabidly pro-Protestant English nationalists. And one of these circles was

02:30:08.780 the devon clique so these are three adventurer well i'm only going to touch on three but the

02:30:15.820 three major ones are sir francis drake sir john hawkins and sir walter raleigh so these were sort

02:30:22.300 of the the og early english privateers raiders and traders um sir francis drake he's famous for

02:30:33.260 for circumnavigating the globe and while he was circling the globe he raided Spanish settlements

02:30:42.520 and picked off Spanish galleons. Sir John Hawkins he was officially a merchant but unofficially

02:30:52.760 his goal was to both make his primary directive was make money and if he couldn't trade with the

02:31:00.180 he would just raid them uh and then sir walter raleigh his main uh his main claim to fame is

02:31:09.880 his attempt to establish the first call english colonies in america um so these these men

02:31:20.380 established the tradition of the the english tradition of private well unofficial royal

02:31:30.200 piracy so officially england was at war with spain however um these men were given a sort of

02:31:38.360 wink and a nod saying you know go and make money if you wink wink nudge nudge have to

02:31:45.260 have to defend yourself against spanish aggression while you are conducting commerce

02:31:51.100 putting yourself in a self-defense scenario like you you you burned this the city in self-defense

02:31:57.800 and that does that does actually the like i'll get on to the actual types of commissions that

02:32:05.540 these privateers and merchants were given but that that's the official legal excuse for piracy

02:32:12.140 um there were three types of of commissions that these types of englishmen were given

02:32:18.720 uh there were letters of mark uh there were private man of war commit private man of war

02:32:25.540 commissions and letters of appraisal so uh the letters of mark i believe that they were

02:32:34.260 reference in like pirates of the caribbean too uh but letters of mark are um essentially a

02:32:43.840 it's permission from the government for merchants to defend themselves if they are ever attacked

02:32:56.420 so when francis drake was circumnavigating oh uh when when francis drake was circumnavigating the

02:33:06.500 globe he received letters of uh letters of mark and letters of reprisal so letters of reprisal

02:33:13.620 are a really interesting legal um legal oddity basically it says if someone steals your goods

02:33:23.160 as a merchant you have the right to take them back with force um and this this this was actually

02:33:34.960 a very slippery slope because uh one example i gave was uh dutch privateer nicholas van horn

02:33:42.300 he was he was granted a letter of reprisal but uh spanish merchants refused to buy the slaves he

02:33:50.640 was selling so he used his letter of reprisal to justify the the pillaging of the spanish city of

02:33:57.220 vera cruz um you know he he he lost out on the profits of selling these slaves so he had to

02:34:05.140 recoup the the losses by sacking the city which is a very kind of salesman way of looking at it

02:34:11.120 like well you have my money yeah but then in retaliation the spanish coast guard sacked the

02:34:18.120 english bahamas so this this is a very this was a very dodgy legal practice and one thing that

02:34:26.640 uh was mentioned in the book that we're covering the square in the tower was that this is something

02:34:31.100 the british empire was known for they described it as a light touch form of colonialism whereas

02:34:38.200 they would do they would kind of let loose these private these these sort of gentlemanly amateurs

02:34:44.300 or these individuals who were effectively operating

02:34:48.600 in the best interest of the empire,

02:34:51.260 but it was decentralized.

02:34:53.100 They could just kind of run amok.

02:34:54.680 And if it was too autocratic,

02:34:56.940 they couldn't rule too rigidly.

02:34:59.240 And this is where you get Lawrence of Arabia.

02:35:00.840 This is where you get all these

02:35:02.140 sort of subversive guerrilla missions

02:35:05.140 all throughout the world

02:35:05.980 because you kind of let them do it themselves

02:35:08.400 or you gave them free reign in a sense.

02:35:11.260 Well, that's exactly what this was.

02:35:12.980 These letters said, go out and make money, and you have the legal backing of the English crown to make money no matter what, through whatever means necessary.

02:35:25.800 And if you are, if you do something that's a little bit diplomatically dodgy, it wasn't the English crown that did it. It was just some merchant that got out of hand.

02:35:39.660 Sir Francis Drake's official commission did not endorse him raiding Spanish galleons, but it could be insinuated that he was acting in self-defense when they fired on him, when he got really close with his soldiers.

02:36:01.500 um privateering commissions were a little bit more straightforward they were just commissions

02:36:07.480 saying that you have the explicit permission of the government to hunt down the enemies of the

02:36:13.160 government um so these these three these three commissions were like they were sort of given out

02:36:23.120 like candy in the 1600s um so like in essence piracy was a creation of the british state in a

02:36:32.860 sense well just about everyone did it um so by the 1600s the spanish had established full-blown

02:36:42.960 cities and an insular network an insular trading network of extracting resources from their

02:36:50.700 colonies and then shipping them back to mainland Spain and not trading with any of these other

02:36:58.960 filthy interlopers. So just about every other colonial power, every other European power

02:37:09.140 used these pirates to grab a foothold in the Caribbean and in the Americas.

02:37:17.360 the piracy really is just trade by other means well like the the the distinction between

02:37:24.360 merchant and pirate was almost non-existent um so my article go jumps ahead a little bit uh with

02:37:35.280 the the establishment of the french buccaneering foothold in tortuga in the 1620s um where

02:37:45.120 essentially these uh these french huguenots were they were sort of like hunters on the main island

02:37:54.040 of hispaniola but they were driven out by the spanish by the spanish governor who didn't want

02:38:01.820 any any protestants or french on their island so they set up on this small island of tortuga just

02:38:08.020 north of haiti and they'd launched these little uh hunting expeditions to hunt like cattle and

02:38:16.660 and wild pigs and then sell their goods on the island of uh tortuga however as the spanish

02:38:27.240 developed better better ways of of of growing their own food for themselves they didn't need

02:38:37.120 to rely on these hunters and they're sort of they're sort of beef jerky stall like off the

02:38:43.860 coast of hispaniola like and because these uh these french hunters no longer could rely on

02:38:53.920 the spanish you know smug like they couldn't rely on the spanish black market for their meat

02:39:02.240 so they turn to something else they turn to piracy essentially um and under a few very nasty

02:39:10.480 characters like um like i i brought up um his name was um it's like levasseur he was a french

02:39:23.940 governor sent to tortuga uh bait to actually civilize the island but instead of civilizing

02:39:29.640 the island he created a star fort and became a sort of king of the pirates king of the brethren

02:39:37.100 of the coast uh where he encouraged these buccaneers to go out and and raid and bring

02:39:45.200 all their their loot back um and under vassar's uh tyranny he he uh he created this this awful

02:39:56.880 fort he imported prostitutes he encouraged all sorts of debauchery he imported wine

02:40:06.240 um like rum wouldn't become a staple until the 1700s

02:40:11.520 and uh he was able to fend off of a massive spanish invasion for a little while

02:40:21.880 until they were eventually dislocated

02:40:25.440 but it was a very good ride while it lasted

02:40:29.020 and whenever the French tried to uproot this

02:40:33.400 little haven of pirates

02:40:35.420 the pirates would just flee to the main

02:40:39.280 flee to the woods of Hispaniola and then come back a year later

02:40:43.040 but

02:40:46.820 eventually the English were able to actually gain a foothold

02:40:51.800 in the caribbean um after the english civil war um instead of having uh these massive armies of

02:41:01.820 veterans sitting on their on their hands waiting to coup him oliver cromwell sent them to

02:41:08.380 invade the island of hispaniola and take it for england however uh this backfired it was just way

02:41:17.900 too heavily fortified so instead they took over the island of jamaica uh with about an army of

02:41:26.760 7 000 troops uh led by a william penn uh william penn the younger would later on found uh found

02:41:35.820 pennsylvania um but this this force in jamaica they they were more or less pirates themselves

02:41:46.380 As soon as they seized the island of Jamaica, they turned around and recruited these French buccaneers from Tortuga and used Jamaica as a sort of rallying point for these crews to develop that they'd then used to raid Spanish cities along the Caribbean.

02:42:16.380 And that's how you get Port Royal as the sort of notorious haven of buccaneers.

02:42:25.360 And the most famous of these buccaneers was, of course, Henry Morgan, who led an army of over a thousand of these buccaneers to sack various Spanish cities in Panama.

02:42:42.820 and then he eventually

02:42:45.860 Henry Morgan would eventually

02:42:47.300 become the governor of

02:42:49.780 Jamaica himself

02:42:51.140 so this was effectively

02:42:54.260 a war against Spanish territory

02:42:56.400 well just about everybody hated

02:42:58.260 the Spanish at the time

02:42:59.360 there were many

02:43:01.180 French and Dutch

02:43:03.720 and even Danish

02:43:04.980 pirates who

02:43:07.360 were officially just

02:43:10.000 simple merchantmen

02:43:11.420 and privateers that you know if one of the if if you were a frenchman in france was at peace with

02:43:20.500 spain they just pick up an english uh privateering license and just put on that hat and attack the

02:43:29.600 french anyways attack the spanish anyways um this was the the 17th century was a time of

02:43:38.340 religious conflict where just about everybody was at war with everyone else and if you couldn't if

02:43:44.740 your nation wasn't at war with spain someone else was and someone else was willing was willing to

02:43:51.080 grant you a privateering commission to go after the spanish and the spanish weren't like completely

02:43:58.080 innocent themselves uh the spanish coast guard would regularly harass like just about anyone

02:44:05.140 who wasn't spanish taking their taking merchantman's cargo and whatnot so merchants had to be

02:44:12.660 had to be heavily armed out of necessity so these merchants if they saw a spanish ship they just

02:44:20.780 take it themselves um uh but eventually the wars of religion sort of died down a little bit after

02:44:33.640 the Thirty Years' War and after the Glorious Revolution, the colonial border sort of settled

02:44:44.180 down. Spain acknowledged that it no longer controlled Jamaica. France gained its own

02:44:55.440 foothold in Haiti, Saint-Domingue. And eventually, these buccaneers would become, they'd use their

02:45:04.900 pirate profits to become wealthy planters in their own right. And so a lot of these, I guess,

02:45:14.420 poorer pirates look to other means to make a living. So some of them went up farther north.

02:45:21.820 um new york merchants uh notably um the governor of new york benjamin fletcher started sponsoring

02:45:29.940 their own pirates to go out and raid the uh and raid the indian ocean but this would be called

02:45:38.100 the pirate round uh where um where the most famous of these pirates was uh henry avery who

02:45:48.500 who was able to capture the raj or the the emperor of the the mughal empire's uh

02:45:57.700 like haj ship his like luxury uh luxury barge uh henry avery was able to circumnavigate the globe

02:46:07.420 catch this incredibly wealthy like pleasure barge and then get off uh like run off to safety

02:46:18.660 before anyone could catch it it caused a major diplomatic incident between

02:46:23.140 england and the indian subcontinent um i if i remember correctly after henry avery

02:46:32.560 seized this giant

02:46:34.880 pleasure barge

02:46:35.880 the East India Company's

02:46:39.040 base in Bombay was

02:46:40.820 completely shut down by

02:46:42.980 the Indians they were like we don't want

02:46:44.960 anything to do with East English

02:46:46.360 and so the English had to

02:46:48.720 set up an international

02:46:50.820 manhunt to get rid of this

02:46:52.960 character

02:46:53.420 so was he just

02:46:56.920 like a fall guy or were they really upset

02:46:59.000 that he did that?

02:46:59.700 Yeah, they were more upset that he, the English were starting to slowly rein in their pirates.

02:47:10.620 They were like, okay, guys, we don't want to cause too many international incidents now, now that the borders are solid and we have a solid foothold in the Caribbean.

02:47:19.860 We have these nice little colonies on the East Coast.

02:47:23.160 We don't need any more diplomatic incidents.

02:47:25.860 and we want to actually start actually engaging in diplomacy with these people so they were

02:47:32.020 actually kind of upset and the the east india company was almost strangled by the indians

02:47:39.400 because of the retribution caused by the outrage against henry avery um so so this this was this

02:47:50.380 was sort of the the heel where the the privateers and buccaneers of old were starting to actually

02:47:59.000 get hunted by royal navies yeah they were useful until they weren't they served a purpose yeah

02:48:05.860 um so that these um so what happened was uh you ended up with cases like uh captain kid who

02:48:18.480 he was officially a privateer meant to hunt pirates but he couldn't help himself and he

02:48:25.220 stole a ship himself and started engaging in piracy let me just say it reminds me a lot of

02:48:32.140 the current day relationship between the mexican government and the cartels

02:48:37.540 like you have all these people who are supposed to hunt cartels that end up becoming

02:48:42.800 cartel leaders themselves or they end up you know then there's a lot of similarity there

02:48:47.560 maybe that's me reaching but that's exactly what this was uh the governor of new york was like

02:48:52.940 hey captain kid i'll invest in your pirate hunting ship like all you really need to do is capture

02:48:57.940 like two small pirates to make a profit uh but instead uh captain kid couldn't catch anything

02:49:04.800 legally so he's he captured the ship illegally and then as soon as he came back to new york he

02:49:11.960 was like hey governor just fence these goods and we'll be we'll be off all clean but uh the governor

02:49:20.360 ratted him out and like sent him sent him to uh to england to hang so so that's that's how these

02:49:30.960 these pirates started dying off um and then the the war of spanish succession happened and they

02:49:37.360 were happily employed as privateers once more but then that war ended and all the privates all the

02:49:44.260 pirates were out of the job i do want to say one thing that might uh occur to listeners is how

02:49:50.440 accurate the movies pirates the caribbean are oh it's it's not um well first off they didn't wear

02:49:57.660 like uh tricornered hats actually weren't in fashion yet at the time uh and also steering

02:50:05.320 wheels weren't a thing until the napoleonic era damn that's one of the big like if you don't have

02:50:11.240 the steering wheel then what it what are these films well it it's like it's more of like a a

02:50:16.940 stick that can move back and forth um it's it's it's actually really weird and janky to look at

02:50:24.760 um but um i'm getting like i'm i'm uh i'm getting behind um so um so buccaneer where does the term

02:50:36.700 buccaneer actually come from so it's it's a term for um for boucans which is like a style of

02:50:43.400 roasting meat but the french didn't have the term buccaneer they called their pot their sort of

02:50:50.400 hunter pirate hybrids of tortuga they called them uh filibusters it's like it's uh it's a sort of

02:51:00.240 it's a mixture of two terms there is the old dutch term like filibustier which means freebooter

02:51:09.680 And then there's the French word for fly boater. So they used this term filibuster for the buccaneers who would do the private dirty work of the government and raid private shipping, but they weren't pirates. They were just opportunistic hunters and merchants.

02:51:39.680 So just to get back to the story, the capital of the British Bahamas, Nassau, started becoming a little bit of a haven for pirates.

02:51:54.060 um port royal like it was completely demolished by an earthquake um the french went legit after

02:52:03.980 they conquered haiti in the late 1600s uh they're starting to become very few places for pirates to

02:52:10.400 actually set up a little haven and in 1713 they uh the pirate henry jennings started making his

02:52:20.300 own little private common pirate commonwealth in nassau um so officially england and spain were

02:52:28.700 at war however the spanish coast guard kept on raiding english shipping and harassing english

02:52:36.700 merchants so being the good patriot that he was uh henry uh or i'm sorry benjamin hornigold

02:52:45.440 started raiding spanish shipping in turn and the british were willing to look past this

02:52:54.040 for a little while and then in 1715 two years after uh hornigold set up uh set up shop uh

02:53:03.120 this massive fleet of spanish treasure callions sank off the coast of florida and a bunch of

02:53:09.340 these treasure hunters started arriving and raiding the uh the diving efforts to to pick up

02:53:16.960 all this um gold that had been just thrown overboard and and there's like literally chests

02:53:25.700 of golden coins off the coast of florida all these divers set up a little base off of uh in

02:53:32.100 nassau to to harass the spanish and take all their gold that the they picked out these for

02:53:39.960 these spanish treasure galleons and uh a mixture of these uh divers um treasure galleon like

02:53:48.880 wreckers and opportunistic pirates started creating what's called the flying gang which is

02:53:55.800 the most famous confederation of pirates of all time um so the the sort of basic model of these

02:54:05.960 pirates was um a captain hornigold would plunder spanish ships he would fence his good his goods

02:54:14.800 to his merchant friends uh john cockram and his uh his nassau friend uh merchant richard thomas

02:54:24.100 Then Cochram and Thomas would sell their goods illegally, like they'd sell the pirates Hornable gave them to merchants in Charleston, South Carolina.

02:54:35.340 And in exchange for those goods, the people of Charleston would give them rice and provisions that the merchants would then sell to the residents of Nassau.

02:54:46.800 so there was a perfectly functioning little economy based on piracy and fencing pirate goods

02:54:54.580 and the carolinas if they need they they needed all the economy that they could get

02:55:01.780 like they like the american colonies they they they fully embraced being fences for pirates

02:55:10.100 until the pirates started raiding them um like they they were glad to have a a fresh infusion

02:55:19.660 of cash like spanish gold spanish dollars flooding their markets and having all this trade

02:55:27.040 go into their go into their little markets uh so the english were willing to to overlook it

02:55:33.880 But then the political Jacobites started showing up. In the spring of 1716, Henry Jennings showed up. So up until this point, Hornigold had a pretty tight grip on the pirates.

02:55:52.580 you know he hornacold himself was the son of puritan of english puritans he was a loyalist

02:56:00.780 he only went after spanish ships he never went after english ships but jennings was politically

02:56:07.500 a jacobite he supported the deposed king the deposed catholic king charles ii against

02:56:14.660 the uh the protestant interlopers uh so he had no problem raiding the uh raiding british shipping

02:56:23.400 and jennings had his own contacts in jamaica that would fence his own goods

02:56:28.900 so you ended up with a sort of pirate political compass where the uh where you had more protestant

02:56:39.400 pure uh loyalist leaning pirates like benjamin hornigold cockram thomas too uh william dampier

02:56:46.840 black sam these pirates would fly the union jack just to to show that they like none of these

02:56:56.080 pirates really flew the black flag that's a misconception they always flat they always

02:57:04.160 flew the the colors of their country and then they flew the red flag whenever whenever they

02:57:12.300 wanted a ship to pull over saying like we're going to be violent against you and then they only flew

02:57:19.740 the black flag whenever they meant no quarter we're going to kill you all and they didn't really

02:57:25.060 they didn't really do that often if ever like most most people give up without a fight and you had

02:57:32.780 made a point and before we were talking that some of them had were aligned with the jacobins and

02:57:38.020 there was a great many pirates that had different sorts of allegiances from different sorts of

02:57:43.020 countries right yeah um so whereas you had like pirates that flew the uh the union jack you also

02:57:50.560 had pirates that flew the old uh english flag with saint george's cross so these so these

02:57:58.620 jacobites these rebels were predominantly irish and scottish uh sort of ethnic like people of

02:58:07.420 ethnicities that have a gripe against the english and then you also had the rather wealthy well-off

02:58:13.220 planters from bermuda and jamaica um who profited a lot off of the stewart's privateering commissions

02:58:22.980 So these pirates were like Henry Jennings, Edward England, Blackbeard, Stead Bonnet, Charles Vane, and Jack Rackham.

02:58:35.820 So I mentioned before we went live that Charles Vane himself had political Jacobite contacts in London that were feeding him information.

02:58:46.960 you know just attack uh attack this ship here that ship there such and so and so is a

02:58:53.440 is a fervent supporter of the king go go attack him there the the the the the stewards will come

02:59:01.640 back just trust me bro but um so so in this little pirate spectrum

02:59:10.700 uh in in this uh this flying gang you had much smaller crews that attacked much smaller merchants

02:59:20.340 because like in the 1600s like these were hunters attacking ramshackle town spanish towns by the

02:59:29.580 1700s like the um like these cities are now like they now have walls and the the the spanish

02:59:39.880 developed more uh like better measures of of dealing with pirates and the british themselves

02:59:49.040 didn't want to cause further diplomatic incidents and also the english fully developed their british

02:59:55.240 navy like in in elizabethan times they had a feudal like almost a like a levy system where

03:00:04.380 all the the powerful lords would contribute to the cause of like these were like feudal armies

03:00:11.240 but at sea uh but now there was there were by the early 1700s there was an official british navy

03:00:18.380 that didn't need to rely that relied on taxes to fund them rather than lords stepping up for the

03:00:25.980 for the queen or king um so you didn't really need pirates anymore these guys were just angry

03:00:33.440 sailors that were kind of just opportunists like um like uh like black bart roberts the most

03:00:42.060 successful pirate of all time yeah he captured 400 400 ships but how many cities did he take

03:00:49.900 and also like half of the 400 ships were just little fishing ships

03:00:54.360 yeah so that's an interesting demarcation between the pirates that were there for

03:01:00.280 land grabs versus the ones who are there just for, you know, effectively just smash and grab

03:01:06.360 shoplifting in a sense. Yeah, that's what it was. Land grabs versus shoplifting is a good way of

03:01:13.660 saying it. And then in September 1717, a fleet led by Woods Rogers, a privateer and

03:01:28.980 and uh and uh like a privateer and pirate hunter in his own right who sailed with a pirate willing

03:01:36.980 dampier in the war of spanish succession he was he was a pirate on his own but any turn he uh

03:01:43.620 he used his his privateering uh privateering knowledge to help uproot the pirates of

03:01:52.340 nassau so uh rogers showed up in nassau in september 1717 and said in delivering a sort

03:02:01.280 of ultimatum uh he granted royal pardons for all the pirates of nassau saying

03:02:07.280 uh not only become uh go legit and become privateers for us stop being pirates stop

03:02:16.340 attacking for shipping um we'll we'll give you a job uh or declare yourselves actual pirates

03:02:24.340 so pirates never referred to themselves as pirates they are always patriots

03:02:30.480 they they always attacked enemies of some crown somewhere or they were just humble merchants

03:02:36.780 looking to make a buck but the the idea that they'd become enemies of humanity hunted by

03:02:46.860 their own nation like it spooked almost all of them into accepting the pardons and quitting

03:02:54.680 while they were ahead a few of the pirates did not accept the pardon or actually almost all of

03:03:03.240 just accepted it but a few of them didn't actually uh didn't actually uh

03:03:10.400 like keep the peace like black salmon and blackbeard both accepted the pardons but then they

03:03:18.920 sailed north and started raiding the carolinas in new england anyways uh just just um just wash

03:03:26.680 the hands clean get away from with rogers and his soldiers and then carry on pirating but most of

03:03:33.060 them were dead within the next five years most people like to to point the at the end of the

03:03:40.260 golden age of piracy at 1722 when black bart died at the hands of the royal navy um so what you had

03:03:51.160 was um this this sort of mythical age from 1715 to 1722 where there were these pirates operating

03:04:01.680 out of nassau they were enemies against the whole world uh until they were hunted down by the british

03:04:07.460 navy um but you had a solid century before that of buccaneers just raising spanish cities and

03:04:16.160 conquering islands and uh and uh it's the only reason so when those buccaneers kind of took over

03:04:24.420 those spanish cities or or where does was that seen as british territory from that point like

03:04:31.000 were they actually taking land for the british crown no almost always it was just reading um so

03:04:38.140 uh like uh like the the examples that people go to are like the or uh buccaneer king uh henry

03:04:50.300 morgan who he sacked the city of like i almost got got uh got sick and tired of the word sacking

03:04:57.320 because everyone sacked cities uh henry morgan sacked campeche he sacked like like four cities

03:05:06.340 in panama he sacked cities in cuba he sacked cities all over the place uh it's just land

03:05:15.200 rating uh but none of them that it very litter very very rarely did actually result in territorial

03:05:25.920 acquisition but that doesn't happen until the americans get involved

03:05:29.980 so after i have a little bit of a break between the og pirates and the american filibusters

03:05:40.200 but i don't think it's as as much of a divergence as you'd think because between the end of the

03:05:49.540 golden age of piracy and the american revolution in 1776 almost all these these merchant these

03:06:00.160 naval merchants were they still had the lineage uh like the the example that i used was woods

03:06:10.080 rogers the the man who tamed the pirates and hunted them down and quashed their final stronghold

03:06:16.460 He sailed with pirate William Dampier. Dampier sailed with Buccaneer Bartholomew Sharp, and Bartholomew Sharp sailed with Henry Morgan, and Henry Morgan learned what he knew. He learned how to raid from feral French hunters.

03:06:35.400 and uh and between the golden age of piracy and the american revolution uh as soon as the

03:06:43.800 american revolution kicked off and george washington george washington started selling

03:06:49.200 privateering commissions uh new england merchants like almost right away started buying up these

03:06:57.920 started buying up these commissions like candy and converting their merchantmen their merchant

03:07:05.480 ships into pirate ships themselves like there were like i've had conflicting numbers but there were

03:07:13.380 between 1700 and 2000 privateering commissions given out by the americans during the american

03:07:19.240 revolution and it was just like a like a late switch like as soon as the american merchants

03:07:29.980 knew that they could make money off of raiding british shipping they did and they they readily

03:07:36.840 embraced it um and america in and of itself was kind of a lawless land like west of the

03:07:45.160 Appalachian Mountains was completely uninhabited territory until you get to the French.

03:07:52.680 I mean, until you get to French New Orleans and Spanish Mexico.

03:07:59.100 So I'm going to jump ahead a little bit after the French Revolution, after the American

03:08:05.720 Revolution.

03:08:07.360 So the administration of Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and James Monroe.

03:08:12.460 so so in preparation for this article i did a lot of deep diving into the uh into the letters

03:08:23.200 jefferson sent to madison and monroe and it was a it was it was a blast uh jefferson is such a weird

03:08:32.340 guy like um like he he he was also kind of like a godfather like figure who from uh from his little

03:08:41.900 estate in monticello he'd say like hey madison like with like 200 dudes you could take take

03:08:48.520 louisiana just like that hey hey monroe just a thousand guys in texas that's all it takes

03:08:54.980 um and actually trying trying to get guys to do piracy for him right yes that's exactly what he

03:09:01.880 did um like i brought up a note uh or i brought up a letter that uh jefferson sent to madison in

03:09:09.240 1809 he was like yeah uh if napoleon doesn't give us florida like we can take it ourselves

03:09:18.260 no problem um and i'm sure napoleon wouldn't mind if we stole cuba as well you know it's

03:09:27.500 we we of course pay him but if it didn't if it didn't work out you know

03:09:32.020 we we could take it like i'm sure we could also thanks for the squashes from maine um they taste

03:09:40.560 really good um this this is the sort of tone that he he wrote in and the sort of jeffersonian

03:09:48.640 democratic republicans were like in theory they were pacifistic but in practice they they were

03:09:56.520 incredibly ravenous expansionists uh like i found a letter that he sent to uh to monroe

03:10:05.240 where he was like he he was like yeah with only a thousand men we could take uh the land the

03:10:12.020 spanish land of the del rio which is like texas um but now is this prior to the concept of manifest

03:10:20.220 destiny because you do talk about that in your article so that comes about four decades later

03:10:25.780 um so in how do i put this um after america gains independence and signs all its treaties with

03:10:39.380 england um the terror the border between uh the border between american territory and

03:10:49.920 spanish mexico and spanish florida is kind of it's kind of not very easily defined and settlers

03:10:57.880 could kind of squat wherever they wanted and so large quantity large large enough numbers of these

03:11:04.400 american settlers started thinking themselves like hey we could just bump off the local spanish

03:11:09.960 governor and take this territory for our own and after the uh the louisiana purchase that's exactly

03:11:17.980 what a few guys did um in around the the city of baton rouge today after the louisiana purchased

03:11:28.740 baton rouge was still technically in spanish florida however a ton of americans started

03:11:37.120 settling around that area from uh from baton rouge to pensacola so these these these american

03:11:47.340 settlers had a certain attitude towards the way they should be governed like instead of

03:11:53.980 instead of having like a town council and the mayor the uh the spanish had these sort of corrupt

03:12:01.560 administrators i don't know how to like pronounce it it's like uh but they had essentially combined

03:12:08.040 the position of judge mayor and major landholder into one position who would be notoriously corrupt

03:12:17.040 and they they it's susceptible to uh to bribery and the americans settled in spanish florida

03:12:24.780 didn't particularly like this so what did they do um well in september 1810 about 80 80 rednecks

03:12:34.380 uh formed a militia and then bum rushed uh the spanish fort in baton rouge and declared

03:12:41.740 themselves uh the independent republic of florida and then uh they they they were able to hold out

03:12:49.280 for a little while they elected uh full war skip with as governor of their independent state of

03:12:55.220 florida um now skip with his is a fascinating figure in his own right but uh but i i just

03:13:04.580 didn't have the i didn't feel like going into going too deeply into his his history um so most

03:13:12.220 of the americans kind of knew hey we need to get admitted to the u.s as soon as possible

03:13:17.300 or the spanish are going to send like send some soldiers from cuba to to completely wipe us out

03:13:24.560 uh so um so in december only only like three months after they declared independence

03:13:34.940 um madison dispatched like 300 soldiers from louisiana to annex west florida now initially

03:13:44.200 skipwith did not want to and held himself up in the fort in pan rouge but eventually he uh he gave

03:13:53.300 and Madison annexed Baton Rouge.

03:13:59.700 Meanwhile, in East Florida, President Madison started,

03:14:06.840 he tried to fund several expeditions to seize Florida for himself.

03:14:13.720 Now, Florida and Georgia and South Carolina have sent raids against each other

03:14:20.960 for for like a solid 200 years at this point like the first governor of georgia tried to invade

03:14:28.580 florida and failed like florida's sent spash florida's sent raiding parties themselves up

03:14:36.280 north uh so this isn't really new but uh but madison sent a group led by uh by general george

03:14:46.820 Matthews to attack this one Florida naval base that had been used by British warships

03:14:54.900 to do all sorts of nefarious things before the War of 1812 broke out.

03:15:02.880 The Spanish also, Spanish Florida was also very sparsely populated and they didn't actually

03:15:08.500 control their natives very well so a ton of slaves from georgia started migrating to florida

03:15:18.360 and well the hostile seminal indians made a little base in florida and started

03:15:25.940 raiding american towns use and then fleeing back into spanish florida for diplomatic protection

03:15:34.440 so madison was like okay we can try and coup florida ourselves the same way we did with

03:15:43.880 west florida we can do it with east florida but they only really got i'm not sure how far it is

03:15:52.940 i think it's like 20 miles into i think they only got about 20 miles across the florida border

03:16:00.060 They were able to take Amelia Island with about 250 soldiers, but then they turned around and were like, okay, we can't do this.

03:16:11.520 We can't take the entire state with 250 guys.

03:16:15.720 And then they tried to do it again.

03:16:17.980 um so in um so in 1718 i'm sorry 1817 um a adventurer named gregor mcgregor now gregor

03:16:33.320 mcgregor he was a so i i highly recommend uh uh the mad lads video on him that um that uh

03:16:44.080 count dankula did on gregor mcgregor so he was he was kind of like a like a like a sleazy con artist

03:16:51.860 who conned his way through um he who bullshit bullshit is bullshitted his way through all sorts

03:16:59.500 of uh officer positions so he was originally just a garrison officer in uh in uh in gibraltar during

03:17:12.340 the Napoleonic Wars. He was briefly sort of leased out to train Portuguese soldiers, but he was

03:17:18.820 too incompetent to actually get anything done. So yeah, he was relieved of service and made his way

03:17:25.800 down to South America, where he became a major general under Simone Bolivar. And he had this

03:17:36.700 insane sort of track record behind him of of uh leading uh all sorts of all sorts of revolutionaries

03:17:47.760 throughout columbia even though he he only he only really did one major military action which

03:17:54.100 was just a tactical withdrawal uh but he he nonetheless sort of rose in rank

03:18:01.840 until he was kicked out of Bolivar's army and instead of uh packing up and heading back to

03:18:12.160 Scotland he went to America where he um we where he met up with American agents who said hey Gregor

03:18:20.200 you'd be the perfect guy to lead a filibuster army to take over Florida and uh he agreed to it and

03:18:27.720 he led an army of about a thousand guys

03:18:30.260 south to take

03:18:32.120 St. Augustine

03:18:32.960 and at the time they were called the filibuster

03:18:35.940 armies right? No they weren't

03:18:37.900 filibuster comes

03:18:39.940 a little bit later

03:18:41.040 so

03:18:43.480 Gregor

03:18:45.960 McGregor was able to take Amelia Island

03:18:47.920 again but then

03:18:49.760 his men found

03:18:52.140 the storage of

03:18:53.860 alcohol that the Spanish Garrison

03:18:55.760 held and they got drunk even though even though gregor mcgregor set up his own he called it the

03:19:04.340 republic of the floridas even though he set up his his little republic he didn't actually push

03:19:14.120 any further and just hold up in this small spanish fort until his officers started to desert

03:19:21.260 and he eventually stole one of his own ships

03:19:24.280 and abandoned his new republic.

03:19:28.080 So that was a sort of big whoop of an invasion.

03:19:35.500 Eventually, Spain did sell Florida to the U.S.

03:19:39.340 in 1919, though, two years later.

03:19:46.300 And the last of these great early filibusters

03:19:50.840 was uh it's called the long expedition so um in so

03:19:58.600 everyone knows about uh about 1836 in the alamo and uh and all of this sort of uh you know and all

03:20:11.720 of that everyone loves the alamo but what people don't really know is that about about 15 years

03:20:19.020 earlier in 1821 uh james long and about 200 mississippians including james bowie

03:20:28.380 uh tried to take over uh texas themselves and set up their own republic of texas

03:20:36.060 uh they only they only got well they were able to push very far into texas but eventually they

03:20:43.260 were pushed out by an army about two and a half times their size uh james long tried again about

03:20:53.260 a year later with only 52 men but after a couple weeks he was defeated by a local garrison and

03:21:00.140 executed um so these these these shenanigans they sound very instead of raiding and pillaging they

03:21:11.500 They were more open land grabs by opportunistic bands of American pioneers almost.

03:21:22.880 Yeah, and they're seeking out funding, or rather that the people who want to take the land are just finding, again, these agents to go out and just do it.

03:21:32.460 right um and the uh the great pinnacle of this um of this early phase and let me just ask you

03:21:43.380 quick like are these viewed as acts of war by anyone because effectively they are right

03:21:48.180 well so so the first uh republic of of florida the one around baton rouge so the the justification

03:22:01.500 for america annexing that territory was that uh you know part of it was on the mississippi

03:22:09.860 river watershed you know if you want to read the louisiana purchase in a certain way

03:22:16.960 it was america's land anyways you know the the border wasn't wasn't completely set in stone

03:22:23.680 like we could totally just annex this uh small republic and then the other invasions of florida

03:22:32.760 were just were kind of covered up by um by saying these were just in the anti-indian raid like

03:22:40.540 uh like indian response for forces like um like andrew jackson for instance he he blew up a

03:22:53.120 fort containing, containing escaped slaves and escaped and, uh, hostile Seminole Indians

03:22:59.880 that was on those inside Spanish Florida. And that caused an actual diplomatic incident and

03:23:07.420 American, well, uh, there, there was a very famous, uh, there's a very famous, uh, debacle

03:23:15.700 that happened where Andrew Jackson executed two British spies

03:23:23.840 or suspected British spies who allegedly were arming hostile Indians

03:23:32.200 who were killing Americans.

03:23:34.800 So this did actually cause a major diplomatic incident.

03:23:39.900 And eventually, this was actually seen in the polls where John Quincy Adams was able to gain the presidency and set up a little bit more of a pacifistic foreign policy, as opposed to the belligerent filibusters that Jefferson tried to egg on.

03:24:03.140 you know it's interesting um and you mentioned this near the end of the article and this is what

03:24:10.480 made me so interested in this piece um and you actually mentioned uh cormac mccarthy's blood

03:24:16.540 meridian which is a novel that we brought up a few times on the show because i read it not that

03:24:22.040 long ago but as you're describing this like the entire arc of that story is taking place in this

03:24:27.920 sort of negotiated frontier zone and with with the approval of the governments expecting like i want

03:24:35.880 you to go and start killing mexicans but you have this line at the end that says wherever there are

03:24:42.480 lawless frontiers there will always be privateers buccaneers pirates and filibusters and once again

03:24:50.420 what i found so engaging about this piece was contrary to the popular understanding of the

03:24:56.320 pirates. And sure, there were obviously, to your description, pirates who were just outside the

03:25:01.480 law. But it seemed that during some of the largest windows where these pirates were at their peak,

03:25:08.340 they did so with the approval and assent of these governments. Whereas now, we tend to think they

03:25:13.840 were always apart from the governments, but they seem to only exist insofar as they're permitted

03:25:18.700 by the governments until they're not useful anymore. And that they're always used in the

03:25:22.880 context of populating a frontier zone. And that is the parallel that's being drawn between the

03:25:30.340 golden age of piracy and what we see in America. Would that be accurate to say? Yes, that's exactly

03:25:36.940 what it is. So Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy is a very dark book. But very early on, there is

03:25:48.960 a monologue given by a american filibuster his name was captain white uh so captain white

03:25:57.760 tried to lead a sort of militia to take the mexican province of sonora so captain white

03:26:08.720 justifies his his filibustering mission uh something like along the lines of uh america

03:26:16.400 America was able to seize this territory in the Mexican-American War. And as soon as we gave it

03:26:24.360 back to Mexico and we did not annex Mexico, they led that province into the ground. To quote the

03:26:33.520 book, we fought for it, lost friends and brothers down there. And then by God, if we didn't give it

03:26:39.920 back back to a bunch of barbarians uh that even in their most bias even the most biased in their

03:26:47.500 favor will admit have no uh we have no least notion in god's earth of honor or justice or

03:26:57.760 the meaning of republican government and people so cowardly they've paid tribute a hundred years

03:27:03.120 to tribes of naked savages,

03:27:06.720 giving up their crops and livestock,

03:27:09.600 mines shut down, whole villages abandoned,

03:27:13.300 while a heathen horde rides over the land,

03:27:16.680 looting and killing with total impunity.

03:27:18.960 Not a hand raised against them.

03:27:20.780 What kind of people are these?

03:27:22.760 The Apaches won't even shoot them, do you know that?

03:27:25.320 They kill them with rocks.

03:27:28.000 What we're dealing with is a race of degenerates.

03:27:30.260 There is no government in Mexico.

03:27:31.860 hell there's no god in mexico i love that line i love there's no god we're dealing with a people

03:27:37.200 manifestly incapable of governing governing themselves and you know what happens with

03:27:42.460 people who cannot govern themselves that's right others come in to govern for them and

03:27:48.660 this this is the exact justification for well that's the philosophical justification for

03:27:54.500 uh these these land grabs in florida louisiana and texas where in texas the texas was completely

03:28:04.460 depopulated uh by the 1830s uh due to the due to the mexican war of independence

03:28:12.920 thousands upon thousands of people died in texas uh and then to fill the void uh the comanche

03:28:22.200 tribes of like just north of texas began raiding south and completely depopulating

03:28:30.360 the land of texas so to bolster the population mexico invited america americans to act like a

03:28:39.000 buffer between their more profitable settlements uh and between their more profitable settlements

03:28:46.880 and the comanche raiders so what did the americans do they settled this lawless land known as texas

03:28:54.660 they declared independence and then got annexed by america that's exactly what they did

03:29:00.400 and then i get then i go and jump forward a couple decades to the actual coinage of america

03:29:10.340 of Manifest Destiny and the politics of Polk.

03:29:14.160 So in the 1840s, James K. Polk was able to seize an absolute ton of land.

03:29:22.460 He had three different goals as president.

03:29:27.200 He wanted to take modern-day Washington and Oregon

03:29:32.540 and solve that border dispute over the Oregon Territory.

03:29:36.880 um he wanted to acquire a port in san francisco to which which would be used to ship goods to

03:29:45.700 asia the american whigs of new england really wanted a western port in san francisco and

03:29:54.320 american uh and american planters in the south wanted new land in texas and west of texas

03:30:04.380 uh so polk appealed to just about everybody and tried to and tried to quite belligerently

03:30:13.960 bully other countries into giving them giving him territory he was able to to acquire the

03:30:21.440 oregon territory without any conflict with britain but one of his slogans was uh 54 or fight

03:30:30.140 a reference to the

03:30:32.200 to the latitude

03:30:33.920 to the latitude line

03:30:36.000 of the Oregon territory that he wanted to annex

03:30:38.680 he said

03:30:39.660 if the British won't give us all of Oregon

03:30:42.380 we will take it with force

03:30:44.200 he didn't actually use force

03:30:48.460 it was more of a

03:30:49.760 more of a hard bargain

03:30:51.180 or a veiled threat

03:30:54.620 he was also able to

03:30:56.560 cede a massive amount

03:30:58.420 amount of territory from Mexico with the Mexican-American War. But after the Mexican-American

03:31:05.960 War, a few more land pirates tried to squeeze out just a little bit more territory. And those were

03:31:14.180 Narciso Lopez, Moorhead, William Walker, and Crabb. So Narciso Lopez, his main shtick was

03:31:25.100 seizing cuba for america now ever since we had president jefferson we've been angling to seize

03:31:33.140 cuba seize cuba for ourselves um and what narciso lopez did was he ingratiated himself

03:31:45.000 well lopez himself was originally a venezuelan son to wealthy planters but after

03:31:52.540 after uh simone bolivar uh seized venezuela uh he was exiled and found himself in cuba

03:32:03.880 cuba was experiencing sort of uh all sorts of slave revolts and they were under the impression

03:32:12.960 that uh these these planters in cuba were under the impression that british abolitionists were

03:32:19.540 secretly equipping and agitating slaves to revolt and they saw how americans put down

03:32:28.200 slave revolts so they actively so lopez actively tried to agitate these slave holding planters

03:32:37.160 in cuba to revolt and get annexed by america

03:32:41.120 um so uh lopez was able to he was something of a of a democratic party partisan

03:32:52.380 like poster child for expansion uh he he was shilled by a john o'sullivan who coined uh

03:33:01.960 manifest destiny and he used all sort of his little democratic party uh contacts to recruit

03:33:09.740 hundreds of

03:33:12.060 sort of fortune seekers

03:33:15.020 from all throughout the American

03:33:17.100 South, mostly

03:33:19.160 Louisiana and

03:33:21.320 South Carolina.

03:33:23.060 I actually did discover that

03:33:25.180 he

03:33:26.460 that he

03:33:28.880 asked Jefferson Davis to

03:33:31.100 recommend a general to lead

03:33:33.180 the American invasion of Cuba

03:33:34.860 and Davis recommended Robert E.

03:33:37.380 Lee

03:33:37.580 uh but lee declined lopez's offer to invade cuba uh and instead he ended up invading himself

03:33:46.700 now uh so basically lopez he he bought this i can only describe it as like a yacht almost

03:33:57.680 this massive like yacht and he packed 600 of these these good old boys into the into this

03:34:06.240 little yacht and he was able to seize a small uh like a smaller city in cuba but then it turned

03:34:16.740 out that the local planters didn't actually like they weren't actually going to revolt and there

03:34:24.820 was no like george washington there was no like underground network that was going to revolt as

03:34:31.180 soon as lopez showed up um and so he was he just packed up and uh he fled as fast as he could before

03:34:42.900 the spanish could catch him only being able to catch like one city um there's an insane story

03:34:48.900 where his little yacht was being followed by a spanish ship that was that almost caught up with

03:34:56.960 him and was only about a quarter mile from him before he reached the florida keys and got into

03:35:03.120 american territory um so he he he then tried it again a year later but this time with even fewer

03:35:15.940 men he he would the first invasion was 600 filibusters the second one the first one was

03:35:21.540 600 men second one was only 425 men but instead of american good old boys he started picking up

03:35:30.100 german and hungarian liberal expats from new york and he this time he chose to just wait until

03:35:42.500 the neck until he heard some sort of political rumbling of a cuban revolt

03:35:50.040 and it came along that there was a small plantar rebellion kicking off in southern cuba

03:35:58.060 so lopez packed all this boys up and uh and uh went south to cuba but by the time he actually

03:36:08.080 arrived the local insurrection was put down and he was sort of he was chased by the cuban army

03:36:17.580 through the jungle until eventually his men starved were surrounded captured and mostly executed

03:36:24.180 so i i actually in my research i discovered that um that one of lopez's men um his name was uh

03:36:37.560 And Logan, is that, I don't know how to pronounce his last name, but it was the son, it was the nephew of the US Attorney General. And before he was executed, this nephew was able to write a very brief letter where he said,

03:36:54.380 uh dear uncle in a few moments some 50 of us will be shot we came with lopez you will do me justice

03:37:02.780 to believe that my motive was a good one i was deceived by lopez he as well as the public press

03:37:08.920 assured me that the island was in a state of prosperous revolution i am commanded to finish

03:37:17.380 writing at once your nephew uh w l uh crickenden i will die like a man and he was executed while

03:37:27.920 standing up um so upon hearing this um americans were so u.s president franklin pierce wanted to

03:37:39.640 try again with a with a third expedition this time actually backed by the u.s government

03:37:44.740 because like democratic party uh like a small militia of democratic party dupes

03:37:54.380 didn't actually get far and it was starting to get embarrassing so the actual glowies were going

03:38:00.420 to start coming out but then uh bleeding kansas happened and uh political the political situation

03:38:08.460 changed and territorial expansion wasn't really on the table anymore um the uh the next no i i do

03:38:17.540 i really really appreciate these stories however i do need to get going soon um so i was wondering

03:38:24.000 is there a a point we could kind of wrap up on about the sort of tie this all together

03:38:30.500 uh sure um i have uh i have i think three more filibusters uh so to the tldr uh stories of

03:38:44.320 joseph moorhead was he tried to sail he tried to march uh 300 guys uh down to baja mexico

03:38:52.100 to coup the local government but uh their ship was uh uh it just disappeared and they didn't

03:39:01.040 actually succeed in getting anywhere uh william walker uh he tried to invade baja mexico uh but

03:39:09.560 failed uh he he then successfully invaded nicaragua made himself president of nicaragua

03:39:18.820 made English the first, the primary language of the country.

03:39:23.320 But then he pissed off Cornelius Vanderbilt,

03:39:26.640 who led an army of mercenaries to topple him.

03:39:32.040 And then the last one I had was Henry Crabb,

03:39:37.880 who he was promised land by the local,

03:39:43.360 he and his hundred filibusters

03:39:47.700 or promised land in sonora mexico uh in exchange for aid in helping this local governor uh win the

03:39:57.060 civil war the mexican civil war however uh when when crap uh henry crab actually got to mexico

03:40:05.380 the the civil war was over and uh the governor sicked an army of 1200 men to massacre the

03:40:13.700 filibusters um so in short uh the american frontier was consolidated and the american

03:40:25.940 government could no longer afford diplomatic scandals and the age of seizing texases uh was

03:40:33.140 over and you couldn't just seize like a local town through ambiguous uh treaties anymore

03:40:42.260 And so these embarrassing little filibusters were done away with and phased out.

03:40:48.960 And a more recent example of a failed filibuster is a little known scandal called Operation Red Dog,

03:40:58.880 where about a dozen guys on a small yacht in New Orleans

03:41:10.220 were going to coup the government of the island of Dominica.

03:41:19.540 There's a very hilarious picture of this little yacht

03:41:22.860 of three men in KKK hoods,

03:41:26.940 you know two guys with like white power t-shirts are going to pirate going to overthrow the

03:41:34.900 government of dominica um with the knowledge of uh with with the consent of several sitting

03:41:42.800 republican uh congressmen uh it's it's um yeah i absolutely love this story it's near the end

03:41:52.960 of the article i believe it's machines marines and men in black is that the right one yeah that's

03:41:57.840 that's the the right one yeah it's it's a fantastic uh it kind of summarizes everything

03:42:04.180 um i would encourage people to go read that because it all leads in and encapsulates perfectly

03:42:10.640 there uh even modern examples of this like instead of uh instead of licensed pirates

03:42:19.700 like of uh of like 1200 man buccaneer armies you have a dozen guys on a yacht

03:42:27.440 uh getting busted by the atf and it's it's sad to see that the american tradition of

03:42:36.980 filibustering is is essentially dead but if you if you really want to embrace the piratical spirit

03:42:44.980 There are plenty of security companies and American mercenaries throughout the globe that do this thing to this day, but you don't have those. It's just not the same. You don't have these good old patriots toppling the corrupt Spanish authorities anymore.

03:43:05.300 Well, I think it's fascinating you mentioned the paramilitary organizations and the, you know, extra military defense contractors, because I think that is the pool that a lot of the types of individuals who would have gotten into piracy are getting into now.

03:43:21.140 And on that note, I think we do need to bring it to a close because I have a dinner reservation to get to upstairs in my house, but still.

03:43:28.780 And I want everyone to go read this on the oldgloryclub.substack.com.

03:43:34.060 it's by clausington the title is a general history of american land piracy it's one of the

03:43:40.000 more comprehensive articles i've ever read uh on this on this site or any place else i think it

03:43:46.400 could and we discussed this before and i think it could even be expanded into a book if you wanted

03:43:51.080 to and anyone who's got any interest in this to me it touches on like i mentioned at the start

03:43:57.560 the very like the relationship of the american spirit with the frontier which i still as we've

03:44:03.900 seen as the end there with uh modern examples i think it's still relevant in the current

03:44:09.500 geopolitical climate that is uh that is quite right um however my original attempt was uh

03:44:16.760 to write a cozy article about pirates pirates are cool um and it's and it does have a lot of that

03:44:23.560 like the stories are going to sound just like the swashbuckling shit that you'd expect well

03:44:29.220 pirates are cool cowboys are cool why can't we just mix them yeah like what cowboys what are

03:44:34.880 cowboys if not the pirates of the horse right it's a very indo-arian i think that's that's a

03:44:43.180 good way of uh of of putting a cap on it and and i just want to take the time to say thank you so

03:44:49.060 much for taking the time to be on this is a fascinating topic and everyone go out and read

03:44:53.300 that article as fast as you can i think it's one of the more important and relevant ones that have

03:44:57.360 published in our space lately.

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