00:24:18.300What? Yeah, we're just going for a swim.
00:24:20.180We're doing a bunch of mushrooms and going to the beach.
00:24:22.760Just not understanding how anything works.
00:24:24.840but yeah like i think i think everyone should be on drugs uh in congress and they should all have
00:24:31.400guns i don't like once you again if you believe there's no real or if you either believe there's
00:24:37.680no political solution and you're an accelerationist boom here you go or if you're an american patriot
00:24:43.840or a british patriot this is how politics used to be everyone was up was drunk and on coke oh yeah
00:24:50.700oh yeah like this is a very narrow historical period we're in right now people aren't just
00:24:58.320fucked up all the time like the old old democratic you know meetings man congresses and they had all
00:25:06.260these guys in their wigs screaming and they're all drunk they didn't get more civilized they
00:25:11.440found a way to turn it up to 11 by adding women and foreigners to the mix now they don't even
00:25:17.440have to get drunk because it's a shit show just as soon as the lights come on that's genius
00:25:21.980you know what i saw before we move on i wanted to mention this i saw a video it was passed to me
00:25:28.840uh by one of our friends bleeding holograms friend of the show and uh he found a video
00:25:35.440on youtube that mentions us name drops blood satellite very kindly um it's by this channel
00:25:43.340lower world diaries and uh he didn't time stamp it so i actually had to watch the whole god dang
00:25:52.080thing right nice 17 minutes and it's actually quite good the video is called freeze and it's
00:25:59.500sort of like a video essay he's he's reading it i kind of like the visuals he's got going on with
00:26:04.200it too um but i actually found the topic really interesting and we only get like a mention near
00:26:10.340the end it's just like oh as blood satellite has said but he was talking about i encourage people
00:26:19.300to watch it but it started off by mentioning you remember that guy mizzy over in england that black
00:26:26.740kid that was running all those pranks on people usually yeah yeah the phenomena of white people
00:26:31.940being confronted by you know hostile minorities and freezing the depth to which this demoralization
00:26:39.860has penetrated the Western mind is shocking. The primal layer of threat response has been
00:26:46.020accessed through an insidious mundanity characteristic of the therapeutic state.
00:26:52.020This synthesis of mundanity and totality is what ensures the freeze response.
00:26:58.100It resembles the panic attack, a sensation of being surrounded by an invisible threat
00:27:03.220from which one cannot retreat because it is everywhere.
00:27:05.940bit by bit however the subtle fear of social exclusion has been eclipsed by an increasingly
00:27:12.580credible undercurrent of violence the gnawing anxiety is ratcheted up at a plausibly deniable
00:27:18.980rate until fight or flight is basically inconceivable for the average citizen who loses
00:27:23.780the ability to act he had made this connection that i never occurred to me but it's so obvious
00:27:30.100now and it's kind of a technological one but it was it was likening it to the rise of prank shows
00:27:36.700and he's describing how you know back in he's uh from the uk i believe and he's talking about how
00:27:42.660you know the prank shows when he were young he was in the prank show he was confronted by someone
00:27:46.560who was like doing a silly prank on the street and how that was a relatively new thing once you
00:27:53.620know you don't really see pranks much anymore but i guess that's kind of the point which is that
00:27:58.100you're in public and you've got like a camera in your face and you're made to look silly and he
00:28:04.760had made a point and i'm paraphrasing here i hope i'm doing it just that this is sort of symptomatic
00:28:09.060of the down like the discombobulation of a high trust society now you don't trust going outside
00:28:16.840someone's gonna fuck with you someone's gonna put a camera in your face and he was mainly remarking
00:28:22.800just on the phenomenon that is only done by white people which is we become so traumatized by this
00:28:29.180society that when a camera is like presented to our face or we feel like we're on camera we can
00:28:34.280only freeze because we've understood like a we don't want to look silly the last thing you want
00:28:38.940to do is like look silly on camera and everyone's making fun of you but that's the best outcome the
00:28:42.900second outcome is you defend yourself to someone who is pranking you or doing whatever the fuck
00:28:47.560and maybe your life is ruined but he was just summarizing this thing that i hadn't really
00:28:54.120heard put to words before or shown the entire timeline of but there is something that i think
00:29:00.460is historic very historically unique to our lived experience which is like not only is it a low
00:29:05.840trust society it's like we've been so brainwashed that we actually we don't we can't react to things
00:29:14.180we can't react to things that are even being perceived as threats and he's using like again
00:29:19.940the these black individuals who are racially targeting white people because it's only white
00:29:23.700people that do the freeze thing i think but that's something you see if you watch these videos like
00:29:28.220they don't know what the fuck to do especially women right anyway i what do you think about that
00:29:32.860we don't have we have this i think it really okay i've seen asians do it too but it is largely
00:29:39.320it's like you being raised in a society where like i guess a high trust society where you kind
00:29:44.940of expect things to act in a certain way and when something is out of line you don't you you're like
00:29:50.880a deer in the headlights and you you kind of have to stand and process it which is to say you're
00:29:55.020comfortable just sitting there and processing it absolutely defenseless and then you know these
00:30:02.380other groups don't do that because they're used to living in a world that's constant chaos and
00:30:07.080violence so not i mean they don't freeze because they never expect that there's a moment where they
00:30:13.340could safely do it i guess i don't know yeah and uh people will say oh that's just everyone living
00:30:19.440in the panopticon of the modern world but i i do think it's more pronounced with certain groups
00:30:26.580like i think it is something white people they've been taught to fear it more than others that's my
00:30:32.980feeling so i'd recommend people go watch that i'm i'm a fan now and this is just let everyone else
00:30:40.220know if you give us a positive shout out that is a fast track to getting mentioned on the show
00:30:45.480i've actually i i just pulled him up i actually subscribed to him a while back i've watched most
00:30:50.700of his videos it is actually good stuff lower world barriers old judas keeping the good stuff
00:30:55.560to himself again i wonder if somebody had mentioned it because i don't like cruise youtube a lot i
00:31:02.320think somebody might have sent a link one time in the chat i don't recall there's one story that i
00:31:06.900did want to cover and i don't i'm still trying to figure out what i make of it so there's two
00:31:11.800big stories that emerged recently and they're both related one was danny masterson getting
00:31:20.58030 years in prison for some alleged sexual misconduct or rapes that occurred back in 2001
00:31:29.320I believe. Before a sentence was handed down yesterday the court heard from the victims and
00:31:36.280they talked about the trauma that they endured and the way they continue to suffer. Now Masterson
00:31:42.600reportedly did not react in the courtroom during this. Now during this trial the actor was accused
00:31:49.240of raping three women. The jury found him guilty of two of those counts and the attacks that
00:31:55.960occurred in the actor's home took place in the early 2000s the victims say that they were
00:32:02.760discouraged from reporting the crimes afterwards by the church of scientology officials masterson
00:32:09.960is a scientologist and at the time so were the women in a statement the church of scientology
00:32:16.360said it had no policy that would discourage members from going to police and said there was
00:32:21.480was no evidence to support that the women were harassed uh danny mastron scientologist actor
00:32:28.200in that 70s show he played the character of hyde as far as i know hasn't done much else he was in
00:32:33.340that show the ranch with ashton kutcher i never watched that but apparently it's big um and so
00:32:39.64030 years the moment he was uh convicted wife divorced him wife divorced him and also said
00:32:48.100she was seeking spousal support from him i'm not sure how that's supposed to work but that is cold
00:32:53.840as ice is cold as ice to divorce a man as he's going to prison and then say you still just expect
00:33:00.620child support payments and alimony did he got 30 years i heard about the trial i didn't know he
00:33:06.660was sentenced already 30 years 30 years for and there's a lot that's dubious about the case i
00:33:12.660didn't know you could even imprison a member of the church of scientology i thought like they're
00:33:17.260they're invincible this is the story so i was doing some reading on it just over the course
00:33:23.640of the week trying to figure out what's going on because you see that story and it sounds
00:33:27.600over the top and then some people were saying well the main problem is that this is really
00:33:33.660scientology on trial and part of the case that the women were bringing forward was that
00:33:37.900they had brought when you're in scientology the claim is that you're encouraged not to go to the
00:33:44.060police you're supposed to handle everything internally okay so they go to the church
00:33:49.140authorities and they encourage them to retract their statements or this is their claim right
00:33:54.880but saying that the church of scientology silenced them then they leave the church
00:33:59.460then they pursue danny masterson so how credible is that we're not sure this could also be them
00:34:06.940trying to take a swipe at the church because they're anti-scientology people now right it's
00:34:12.900It could be also that they've coordinated their story before, which they have.
00:34:16.260There's evidence that they were getting their story straight and trying to collect other supposed victims to make a class action lawsuit, in a sense, and take him to civil court first.
00:34:31.100They're also suing him in civil court.
00:34:32.820It just seems like a strange thing to do.
00:51:24.240Also, four women have alleged sexual assaults between 2006 and 2013 while he was a presenter.
00:51:31.800others have made a range of accusations about brands controlling abusive and predatory behavior
00:51:39.560let me just say this anytime a woman ever says something about emotional manipulation or emotional
00:51:46.660abuse throw everything else out with it yeah throw the baby throw the bath water throw the bath bin
00:51:53.400throw the mom through the fucking house shut it throw it all fucking out and he even responded
00:52:00.320he says okay he's he responded in a very russell brand way i'm gonna read it and you're gonna hate
00:52:08.080him again amidst amidst this litany of astonishing rather baroque uh attacks hi hey i changed my
00:52:20.980mind i hate him oh are they baroque these rather baroque attacks fuck off amidst oh you
00:52:29.940that that is by the way what a sexual predator sounds like if you're if you're getting me too'd
00:52:36.000throw out the flowery words yeah and this is just one of those things where it's it's at this point
00:52:44.620me too is just like the fig leaf used to mask something else and i'm just i'm still trying to
00:52:52.380reconcile this that the the general population understands that me too is horseshit
00:52:58.400even feminists largely have backed away from it because there's been so many failures in trying
00:53:04.480to like finger these guys but it's like it's still used and it seems that the only people
00:53:11.060who still buy into it are the institutions and the authorities and i think there's almost an
00:53:17.020unspoken recognition that okay we're going to allow this to exist so we can help people take
00:53:22.580out the trash or allowing this as like an extrajudicial weapon because it's just i can
00:53:29.460accuse you of something that needs no evidence and even i can even offer count a contradictory
00:53:36.300self-defeating evidence and it still doesn't matter but you know what i was thinking of though
00:53:42.960i was reading i'm reading this book called the therapeutic state and i was working on an article
00:53:49.160for the vanguards journals take me a bit longer than i wanted to because it's talking about evil
00:53:54.920and the propagation of evil and the intersection with mental illness we talked about this many
00:54:00.340many episodes ago and one of the and going through the old notes i have on foucault
00:54:06.380and political poneology and things like that and one of the things that stood out historically
00:54:11.140was the connection between mental illness and physical illness and that you know this idea of
00:54:18.720mental illness in and of itself kind of emerged with psychiatry and freud and all that but
00:54:26.460i just started thinking about it that you know for a long time promiscuity was tied as a sin
00:54:35.740but also as a kind of degenerative act promiscuity even homosexual heterosexual promiscuity was seen
00:54:42.220as bad because well you can contract disease you can get syphilis syphilis was always like
00:54:46.900the center of you know the cause of of mental breakdown because if you had syphilis you go
00:54:53.400insane and sometimes you could have a syphletic mind and you get delusional may get seizures but
00:54:58.720syphilis was always sort of like the ultimate you know demon in that and how do you get syphilis
00:55:05.060well through too much sex too much unprotected sex so there's always like an uh a harsh darwinian
00:55:11.360cap on those who are very promiscuous were more likely to catch syphilis and go insane and rot
00:55:18.340and die right um and that great movie the liberty of johnny depp you know he ends up
00:55:25.300getting syphilis and that too but i i just kept thinking that there's some kind of analogous
00:55:30.780parallel to to the me too thing which the me too accusations it's almost like a social syphilis
00:55:39.580that only seems to befall men not saying that the only people who get me to are like promiscuous
00:55:44.400guys promiscuous heterosexual guys but it seems that you maximize your opportunity to be me to
00:55:51.020if you are russell brand if you make your bones kind of whoring it around town like you would
00:55:56.720get like we've figured out ways to have protected sex with condoms and to not get disease that way
00:56:03.140we haven't figured out how to have protective emotional sex with women so you got guys catching
00:56:09.140me too is like syphilis it's social syphilis there's some examples like the kavanaugh thing
00:56:14.540where it's like okay this is a straight-laced conservative christian dad who probably is only
00:56:19.720fucked four women in his life and they're doing it to him but that if you just treat that as a
00:56:24.740red herring i think you're right that the majority of guys that we are wind up having to defend in
00:56:31.400the me too thing the defense is usually something like well come on in his position you expect him
00:56:36.460to not fuck a thousand whores it's like yeah we have we kind of started we kind of start from
00:56:41.220there usually like the Weinstein thing it's like come on I mean you knew you were fucking him to
00:56:45.900get the job right it's not really rape if it's part of your job back in the day you'd say well
00:56:49.760don't sleep with a lot of whores otherwise you'll get a venereal disease and then we found ways to
00:56:54.780get shots for that and you get shots for syphilis right in the penis hole and wear condoms and
00:57:00.180whatnot but now it's i i get the sense that the word going out amongst young men it's just like
00:57:07.320that's just like syphilis where it said well don't sleep with a lot of whores you're gonna get me too
00:57:11.580and you're gonna get your money taken away you'll get debanked actually so me too is good for us
00:57:17.100to some extent well it's a new it's like there's a way to look at this as just vindictive women or
00:57:23.320whatever but it seems so widespread it seems like such like a decentralized phenomenon that it's
00:57:30.780just like a virus it's just like a social virus that that that's like keeping the herd in check
00:57:36.520somehow i'm not saying it's good even i'm just saying like like we're we're talking about being
00:57:41.240me too as if we were talking about a venereal disease in the 1800s and it's it's to the point
00:57:47.000where if you are like a man whore you almost expect it to happen just as a matter of course
00:57:52.160Let's follow that to its natural conclusion. If it's having an impact on fertility rates, right? It probably would be if that were true. And then you have to say, qui bono? Is it part of the other larger program through vaccination and through immigration to lower birth rates?
00:58:10.520like either you could even argue that this is ethnically targeted how many often to how often
00:58:15.820do indian guys and arab guys and black guys get me too almost never it's essentially it's whites
00:58:20.880largely mostly there are certain like you just mentioned there there's a lot of things driving
00:58:27.420the birth rate down and this is something we talk about on the show and i've mentioned in comments
00:58:32.860sometimes it's the lines are blurred between something i've said on the show versus like a
00:58:36.980voice message i've left on telegram or something so i hope i'm not repeating myself but one of the
00:58:43.320things i want to state for the record is that uh you know we're married but i am very conscious
00:58:48.600of the dating market we're not married to each other we are not mixed and guess what i was about
00:58:54.480to say we were very as we're very conscious of the dating market for young men didn't say that
00:59:00.040you almost walked right into it you almost stepped in it with both feet
00:59:04.260um but we're very conscious of like what it's like out there now everything's gonna sound gay
00:59:10.880we're keenly aware what's like out there for men fuck okay
00:59:17.040i've got myself in a fag mire once again um but yeah like a lot of it's like how do you fix the
00:59:26.320dating market how do you fix gender relations how do you fix this whole kettle of fish we got
00:59:32.240cooking up right here i'm like i don't know because it's not just one thing and i'm always
00:59:36.300trying to because a lot of boomers will do this too like people young people these days just
00:59:40.460aren't having sex why aren't they having sex i'm like well it's like 10 things one is that
00:59:47.120testosterone rates are dropping we don't really know why but we will when we get into in a second
00:59:52.240uh there's plastic in your blood uh and then there's the me too thing like guys are scared
00:59:58.460to engage in traditional courtship uh then there's the technology thing then there's economics
01:00:05.220it's all bundled in so i i don't like when people say things like these young people are just not
01:00:11.800sucking and fucking as much as they should i'm like well i mean if you're a gen alpha and you're
01:00:17.460going into this world like like how much of your blood is plastic right now and how does that
01:00:21.260separate you from some living in the 1800s yeah you know what i mean like i don't know this i
01:00:26.240I don't know. Chemically, nothing makes sense.
01:00:29.360We're in unprecedented times, and they're getting more unprecedented.
01:00:33.460But there was this study that I read that really ties into this,
01:00:38.440and this was forwarded to me, and I read it a while ago,
01:00:42.420then I read it again recently, and it's published on this site
01:12:04.200It's apocryphal that when they did this study on yogurt in like the late 90s, early 2000s, when you got this craze because yogurt is a little bit foreign.
01:12:11.420But all yogurt is is just like it's essentially like cream and milk, a little bit fermented, and then a bunch of sugar and flavoring, right?
01:12:18.200When they did this, the FDA did the study on yogurt to tell everybody that yogurt is so healthy for you.
01:12:22.520they did a like an a b or like a control study on straight vanilla ice cream and they found that
01:12:28.300the health benefits of vanilla ice cream and yogurt are not statistically different like
01:12:34.840there's almost no deviation so you eating a bowl of yogurt is the same as you eating a bowl of
01:12:40.680vanilla ice cream which is to say they're both really fucking good for you because and i my
01:12:46.240guess is part of it is real like genuine vanilla ice cream that's more like lactose and milk
01:12:52.180proteins than a lot of people get otherwise so i believe it i believe no i believe it like again
01:12:58.060this is coming back to the main point which is that even if you think of quote unquote bad food
01:13:03.360we don't need a lot of like candy or anything like that but and most people don't and that's
01:13:09.280why i wanted i didn't want to make it seem like just this is something fat people are doing i'm
01:13:13.260like even fit people you're you spend a i know a lot of gym bros have probably heard that oh you're
01:13:19.900one of those you're one of those fit guys you must spend all your time at the gym and maybe you do
01:13:24.300but there was a time when you didn't need to you could just go for you were seen as fucking french
01:13:29.420for going for a jog yeah yeah the worst possible thing yeah yeah but anyway check out that site
01:13:35.620and so part three of the series on slime mold time old a chemical hunger um published by slime
01:13:43.160it gets to the the real cause which i believe is accurate it's that i'll just read what it says
01:13:49.840and in the second part it kind of goes through here's what people say it could be here's what
01:13:55.260it's not same thing with the diet and same thing with all this stuff it's very very good series
01:13:58.860you know he's kind of going through like good fat and bad fat good calories and bad calories
01:14:03.400part three he says only one theory can account for all of the available evidence the obesity
01:14:08.940epidemic is caused by one or more environmental contaminants compounds in our water food air at
01:14:15.440our jobs and in our homes that change how our bodies regulate weight. These contaminants are
01:14:20.780the only cause of the obesity epidemic and the worldwide increase in obesity rates since 1980
01:14:27.360is entirely attributable to their effects. And again, just to underline that, this is a global
01:14:33.100phenomenon as well. It's not just in the West or North America. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's related
01:14:38.200to industrialization. So you're not going to find it in the Andaman Islands, but anywhere where
01:14:42.660there are where there's plastic and electricity you're going to find this yeah and he goes into
01:14:46.940some a lot of what it comes down to also is medications so um he says weight gain is a
01:14:53.560common side effect of the psychiatric drug colozapine on average people taking clozeral
01:14:57.900gain around 10 to 15 pounds weight gain basically he's going through all these prescription drugs
01:15:02.840that so many people are on that cause weight gain um he says we need a theory that can account for
01:15:08.660all of the mysteries we reviewed earlier another way to put this is to say that based on the
01:15:13.360evidence we're looking for a factor that changed over the last hundred years with a major shift
01:15:18.760around 1980 and wherever it is there's more of it every year it doesn't affect people living in
01:15:25.680non-industrial lives regardless of diet it differs in its intensity by altitude for some reason which
01:15:33.540is something you mentioned earlier and it appears to have nothing to do with our diets
01:15:37.340um is it jews i'm scrolling here i'm trying to look for jews
01:15:43.160um like he says your obesity is less common at high altitudes because of the watershed
01:15:50.320environmental contaminants build up as water flows downhill and are much higher concentrations
01:15:55.780as you approach sea level yeah so okay that's interesting like it's something to do with how
01:16:01.180like water flows and the chemicals from the water too obesity rates are high everywhere in america
01:16:06.940but we can see that they are higher in states
01:16:08.900where the groundwater has covered more distance
01:16:11.540and had more time to accumulate contaminants.
01:20:33.520outdoor gear like tents and jackets, firefighting foams, ski wax, all kinds of shit. There's around
01:20:40.1005,000 different compounds, but only a couple of these compounds are well studied. The rest will
01:20:45.400remain rather mysterious. PFAS are practically indestructible. They repel oil and water and are
01:20:52.980heat resistant. They not only stick around for a long time in the environment, they stick around
01:20:58.480for a long time in your body pfas compounds don't occur in nature and it takes a significantly longer
01:21:05.520time for these compounds to break down in the environment and in the human body the cdc's
01:21:11.680agency for toxic substances and disease registry says pfas contamination has the potential to
01:21:17.840affect growth learning and behavior of infants and older children it could lower a woman's
01:21:24.160chance of getting pregnant and it could increase the risk of cancer if you're reading this there's
01:21:30.600probably pfas in your blood a cdc report from 2015 found pfas in the blood of 97 of americans
01:21:39.240and a 2019 nrdc report found that the half-life of pfas in the human body is on the order of years
01:21:48.020between 2.3 to 3.8 years so he this is again one of those chemicals that's fucking everywhere and
01:21:54.360just to give a slice of my life it's been an ongoing battle with my in-laws to convince them
01:22:02.740not to reuse food containers that they get from takeout we've talked about this before but like
01:22:09.240i've caught them using like these disposable you're supposed to throw them the fuck out
01:22:13.300right yeah if you get like a bunch of chinese food from kanji queen in toronto last one we
01:22:17.800to kanji queen with the in-laws was five years ago she's been using the same takeout container for
01:22:23.360five fucking years it's disintegrating yeah it's it's it's and i told them that these are supposed
01:22:28.140to be the health conscious people right we don't use any of that shit we don't use the we don't
01:22:32.760use those non-stick pans either we just use ceramic like uh yeah like a lot people do like
01:22:38.800because that yeah because it'll fuck and everyone knows it's bad for you yeah we have ceramic and
01:22:43.780iron and steel and we use we interchange them but we're like yeah fuck nonstick yeah and that's
01:22:49.280people still use them and everyone understands that they would say oh you got a teflon pan if
01:22:53.820you scratch it a bit you gotta throw it out because it's bad for you well again the in-laws
01:22:58.040they've been using the same scratch to shit pan for like seven years like it's killing you but
01:23:03.740how many people are like that how many people boomers whoever how many people are like oh it's
01:23:08.680not that bad and it's just accumulate and accumulates and those are just two two fucking
01:23:14.560basic things did i tell you about this that i try to have the discussion with my dad my dad's very
01:23:19.500right wing and loves conspiracy theories he thinks that the like bio the uh microplastics and shit
01:23:25.980poisoning your blood and it's making the frogs gay he thinks that's a left-wing conspiracy so he's
01:23:31.340mad he thinks it's like an environmentalist thing that it's like global warming that they're trying
01:23:35.380to convince us to be afraid of something when actually everything's fine and it's like no
01:23:39.440but actually dad it's that's ours that's our conspiracy this one's like the rothschilds dad
01:23:45.860this one's one of ours okay also like leftists hate the cia as well and i'm allowed to also
01:23:54.080dislike the cia yeah yeah you know it's not that the cia are secretly awesome
01:23:59.380suspect number three lithium lithium is the third element of the periodic table the lightest metal
01:24:08.160it isn't synthetic but it can still be an environmental contaminant unlike other
01:24:13.520contaminants we've reviewed we don't need to spend any time convincing you that lithium makes
01:24:17.820people gain weight it does almost everyone who takes lithium at therapeutic levels gains some
01:24:23.240weight we'd love to tell you whether lithium concentrations in groundwater have increased
01:24:28.320over time, but while lithium is easy to detect, accessing lithium levels is not a part of standard
01:24:34.820analysis of the drinking water. A recent study led by researchers from King's College London
01:24:40.020and Sussex Medical School set out to synthesize all available evidence of the association
01:24:44.820between lithium in drinking water and suicide rates. In total, the team identified 415 articles
01:24:51.640spanning three decades, comprising data from over 1,000 regions, counties, and cities around the
01:24:57.060world. The average concentration of lithium in the water samples ranged from under 4 to over 80
01:25:02.420micrograms per liter. By combining the results of multiple studies, the team was able to
01:25:07.680statistically analyze the data and search for a link. And a link emerged. Their analysis showed
01:25:13.060that areas with higher concentrations of lithium in their public tap had correspondingly lower
01:25:17.960rates of suicide. This is the first meta-analysis of its kind, so these findings are hugely encouraging.
01:25:24.580And that might be one of the biggest ones. It's a graph showing world lithium production from 1900 to 2007. As you can imagine, lithium was very, very low throughout, like even the first half of the 20th century and prior to that.
01:25:41.800um but the grace as the graph is pretty telling almost no lithium was produced before 1950 so
01:25:49.240human activity couldn't have been adding a meaningful amount to the groundwater
01:25:52.840um serious lithium production started in 1950 um lithium definitely ends up in the groundwater
01:26:00.440it's there in small concentrations naturally but human activity adds more um so that that's just
01:26:06.740he goes in the exact science behind it but you know just think about the the wild increase of
01:26:13.880lithium in so let's take all three of these as true it doesn't need to be one let's say it's
01:26:18.640all three of these chemicals at once i think that's a pretty solid case like at the very least
01:26:23.780you know i think there is a strong correlation to obesity but what else is correlated to all of it
01:26:31.240and and what's even worse is back to that first page what happened in 1971 like
01:26:37.840this is something back what i'd like to keep in focus when we criticize things from an ideological
01:26:44.960point of view or an economic point of view like you cannot remove the biological or even
01:26:51.400psychological but largely biological aspects from this like and again like this ties right
01:26:56.300into mental illness like how is this not related to mental illness how is this not related to
01:27:00.600depression and and you're going to medicate your way to that like you are technically medicated
01:27:06.720into being depressed that could be the story here too right like why why aren't people having sex
01:27:12.080why are people depressed and killing themselves and shooting up schools and stuff well maybe it's
01:27:17.100these three chemicals that were never here before and you're telling that the only solution is more
01:27:22.860chemicals like i don't did you see the the white pill in the comments at the end of part three
01:27:27.520the guys like no hey uh one thing that isn't taken into account here about bmi is that there
01:27:33.800was a large change in because of uh i guess because of the green revolution this is a large
01:27:39.800change in the height the average height of men and women in the industrial world and the other
01:27:46.200thing that happened in the same period much later on but happened was we now actually go to the gym
01:27:51.440people that do go to the gym and are fit and tall will have a bmi that's out of whack and with a
01:27:56.640normal bmi measurement it'll say they're fat but if you measure their arm and their neck and their
01:28:00.840waist you'll find oh they're not fat they're just chads their bmi is like 50 because they can they
01:28:06.560can crush your skull like a grape nut so maybe it's actually that we're not fat at all we're tall
01:28:13.300atlantean ripped chads and we're based and everything's fine don't worry about it get out
01:28:18.780of here the white man is back baby the white man is back it's a good white pill yeah there you go
01:28:24.420what do we do with that information actually everything's fine so don't worry about it um i
01:28:28.940don't know if you notice this but we're all chads actually yeah but that's aren't real yeah maybe
01:28:35.580maybe we're just taller which you know you listen genocide continues listener you are six foot eight
01:28:42.680and ripped right i know me too everything's fine or everything we're getting taller proportionally
01:28:49.120which means that they're still short guys but they're just taller than their ancestors who
01:28:55.200were short or maybe old things just keep getting smaller maybe houses and yardsticks got smaller
01:29:01.760but we stayed the same size it'd be funny if the real problem with this generation we're
01:29:06.360complaining about everything's too expensive and the houses suck it's just because we're huge
01:29:11.340nobody noticed we're actually just huge like has anyone noticed that everything is like a
01:29:18.520dollhouse sized it's like wait my ancestors only ate one gram of beef a year how is that possible
01:29:24.360oh he was eight inches tall oh it was it was lily potion oh you know yeah i don't know if
01:29:30.660anyone's noticed this but their birthday cakes are like the size of a muffin
01:29:34.220guys look around you have we just been giants the whole time it's just like our version of
01:29:43.340mud flood but it's just like the ancient ancient world was small and nobody noticed
01:34:42.160People think about him correctly as the father of modern economics, but wrongly they think about him as somebody who completely believed in laissez-faire and a rational economic man.
01:35:04.240Before he wrote The Wealth of Nations, he wrote another book called The Theory of Moral Sentiments, in which he talks about passions and controlling our passions and talked about we have an impartial spectator that is helping us control our passions.
01:35:22.660And the famous phrase, the invisible hand, appears exactly once in The Wealth of Nations, and it appears in a sentence that's extraordinarily weak.
01:35:36.480one thing he found and this is the thing i found most fascinating is that they conducted studies
01:35:44.520and you think that the human mind is attuned to like wealth and money or money as a marker for
01:35:53.920you know how much security or whatever you have um he said people's levels of happiness respond
01:36:03.040more to change in respond more to change than their actual level of wealth um and the way he
01:36:10.720phrased it was the human mind we're actually a change measurement system so it's like we we're
01:36:16.920actually very bad at judging rationally how much is in our savings account but we know when we've
01:36:23.020gained something and we know when we've lost something and we're almost hardwired to want
01:36:29.480to not only gain stuff but experience change and yeah he phrased he phrased in such a way that our
01:36:36.480minds are biologically and evolutionary evolutionarily designed to be like change
01:36:44.040measurement mechanisms it's like once you realize that you can kind of hack that system
01:36:49.060and that's essentially what sales and marketing is like for example this is how sales work so the
01:36:55.860idea that you can make someone buy a product, not because they need that product or even want that
01:37:02.260product. They just feel like this is a good deal. So they have something called sort of the,
01:37:09.420it calls it acquisition utility that our minds will say like we, the value of that transaction
01:37:18.080is, makes us happy more than the value of actually getting that product. So that means you can drive
01:37:24.380people to actually buy a product if they feel like they're saving money on that product this
01:37:28.520happens with women all the time you'll notice like we have to get it because it's a sale even
01:37:32.260if it's something you don't really need this is like doing antiques or yard sales or auctions and
01:37:36.660it's like you end up coming home with all kinds of stuff which is like according to like the value
01:37:41.460of that thing you got an amazing deal but if you had to ask yourself two hours earlier is this
01:37:46.520something you would ever buy they'd be like no why the fuck would i want one of those so yeah but
01:37:50.380it's four dollars of course i want it of course that's it's worth a hundred bucks you can't lose
01:37:56.320at four bucks and now you have it and what do you fucking do like i told you i have a gramophone now
01:38:00.320in my living room why why the fuck do i have a gramophone in my living room because it was 10
01:38:05.580bucks so now i have it so there's other examples he gives where he calls something the jnd or the
01:38:12.560just noticeable difference it's like we we're more likely to drive an extra 45 minutes to save
01:38:19.380an extra $10 on a tool we're buying than save $10 on a $500 TV. You're still saving. Everything's
01:38:27.480the same, but it seems like it doesn't make a significant difference in the overall price,
01:38:32.400even though rationally it does. But no one does that. You know what I mean? So it's like, how do
01:38:39.500we actually measure? What you're not measuring is the money. You're measuring how the human mind
01:38:44.260measures difference and so we're just difference measuring engines which seems like that's more of
01:38:51.380a evolutionarily beneficial thing but it's way easier to hack on an individual level
01:38:58.020um so i asked the following question suppose by attending this lecture today you've been exposed
01:39:06.820to a rare fatal disease and there's a one in a thousand chance you're going to drop dead next
01:39:15.540week, a quick and painless death, not to worry. We have one cure. It's in this glass right here
01:39:26.260and we'll sell it to the highest bidder. How much will you pay? Yeah, that's question one.
01:39:32.180Question two is, Stanford is running some studies
01:58:25.220And that's what's funny because a lot of people, that is in a lot of ways a fascist government, that's a corporatist government. But once you hear it explained, even if it's by a German, once you hear it explained, I don't find many people who disagree with the corporatist model because what it really seeks is balance.
01:58:43.160what it really seeks is the balance between what we might consider natural law but also
01:58:50.460the innovations and accelerations promised by liberalism so it's like you don't and you don't
01:58:58.220because if you if it's just the old guild model you get a bunch of trad guys who are like i just
01:59:03.280want to be a peasant they're saying okay we look we don't want to just turn the clock back and go
01:59:08.480back to medieval england that's that's unreasonable and it's not going to happen but there's got to
01:59:13.560be a way to take what worked on that and transplanted in a modern nation state so i think
01:59:22.280did i cut you off there i thought you were going to say something no no no no no it's good and also
01:59:26.540the idea of there is private property within these estates but it's it's a different sort
01:59:31.160of private property it's like you get private private some of it's owned by the community a
01:59:35.480lot of it's owned by you but this is what i liked about when gaddafi was talking about it
01:59:40.180and maybe this is more of a muslim approach to it but he said like at the very least every man
01:59:45.980needs his own house every man needs a space that he's in control of and i think a lot of
01:59:52.520collectivists don't get that they're like everyone owns everything and in effect you know you don't
01:59:57.440even own your house no you need i remember someone took exception to when i said this before but he
02:00:02.180said i think hans herman hoppe had said the household needs to be a zone of anarchy
02:00:07.360everyone said no no there's there's hierarchy in the house the father's in charge like no
02:00:11.280anarchy from the state yeah the idea is that in your house that the father the family's in charge
02:00:17.100of the family house yes the state never goes into the fucking house um and that that is how it should
02:00:22.720be so you can never and you need to keep that and i think that's one thing that modern collectivists
02:00:27.680struggle with they don't they don't know how to reconcile the family and the private property
02:00:32.860stuff but like even now as like an older guy i'm like yeah you fucking need that like most of us
02:00:38.940are going insane just because we can't have our own space in our own houses i think going forward
02:00:44.460what's the state promising us right now more apartment buildings that's not going to solve
02:00:48.340anything less less of the rest yeah yeah anyway i know that we can get going now thank you for
02:00:54.960listening to that that's that's going to be the primer for the next few episodes as well
02:00:59.340nice i'm liking this this is good all right i'll talk to you later cool man see ya
02:01:04.480hey baby i hear the blues are calling top salads and scrambled eggs
02:01:11.520and maybe i seem a bit confused yeah maybe but i got you
02:01:18.180go ahead because one of the the interesting thing is is the first time that we talked about this
02:01:24.940book dimes was that it was my chief inspiration for wanting to talk about this because i bought
02:01:30.120i grabbed this book in a uh a closing out you know final days take whatever's free off the
02:01:37.740shelves at this bookstore in my town and i saw this and i thought well this is really interesting
02:01:42.520and i want to talk about this book eventually because you know the creation the collapse of
02:01:47.060the black jewish alliance just sounds like a screaming red pill to anyone maybe on the side
02:01:52.180of politics but um it's also written by a man who worked closely with civil rights affairs in the
02:01:57.480american jewish congress so it's like okay we got to go pick up this book and then we finally got
02:02:02.640to talk about it right after the whole kanye west thing and the whole like name them stuff that
02:02:08.580happened in that brief moment uh at the end of last year and now uh since the ye 2024 thing
02:02:17.720faded away uh we're back to talk about this book in the midst of hashtag ban the adl on twitter or
02:02:25.980x as musk likes to call it and we're recording on september 11th 2023 so um 9-11 is feeling
02:02:34.18022 as taylor swift would say and here we are dimes how the hell are you i'm doing great it's
02:02:42.460funny how we schedule these things because we'll schedule it like a couple weeks or however long
02:02:46.960it is in advance and then it just so happened that the adl stop the adl hashtag was trending
02:02:52.540that whole movement so it's a great time for it's very serendipitous i suppose and i'm very happy to
02:02:57.840be here um i always have a great time on the show you're one of my my top creators that i like to
02:03:03.400follow so this is a great honor to me well thanks you're probably some of the best in the great
02:03:08.620white north out there and you guys always bring on good book reviews and interesting guests
02:03:12.380i appreciated your appearance on jay burden the other week because dime spoke so little i think
02:03:17.080that he's just this like alter ego that you've got going on oh judas yeah he's yeah yeah he's
02:03:22.820he sometimes he i can be a bit of a blowhard so it's hard for him to like crowbars way in and
02:03:27.760partly that's my fault um because because when he does get to talk everyone loves it like he's got
02:03:33.160some he's got a whole the entire blood satellite fan base is behind him right now there's a coup
02:03:39.360going on it for the sounds of it yeah i i remember your fans making dagoth er edits you know crimes
02:03:46.160chat more like dimes chat yeah uh that's what you know the same thing with geo is there a war
02:03:52.400between you and geo between the fans uh i mean geo geo engages in that parasocial shit way more
02:03:59.240than i do i play as i play as the stereotypical straight man to geo's antics and i love him for
02:04:05.180it so i'm sure that that would be the case um but i don't think about that very often i just think
02:04:11.260about the fact that the show does well and it makes me money i often uh enjoyed geo's essays on
02:04:16.900what's going on on twitter because i can't follow any of this shit he's got me into all like the
02:04:22.520the weird the first time i heard about dimes square was from him i still don't even really
02:04:27.580know what that is but he's the guy with the finger on the pulse of all that shit yeah i i rely on him
02:04:33.500to explain things to me or he'll talk about twitter drama from like six years ago and i'm
02:04:38.160like you have to explain for the new people in the room myself included so he he's very good as a
02:04:44.540twitter historiographer for all things on the e-write or this thing of ours as people like to
02:04:50.220say um but yeah i thought it was interesting that we're now in the midst of this ban the adl thing
02:04:56.960and i was reading that uh you know they've been wanting to squeeze him for advertisers ever since
02:05:03.000he's talked about buying and bought twitter but at the same time i think they're also advertising
02:05:08.360the adl on twitter as well so it's rather to me it seems like what will probably come out of this
02:05:15.580if at all anything would be ways in which you can get green blatt to step down and maybe put a more
02:05:23.800quote-unquote moderate face of the adl up there and act as if nothing's changed or anything's
02:05:29.300happened but at the same time as well yeah yeah but at the same time right i i saw a lot of the
02:05:34.940headlines come in and this isn't to bash anybody by the way i want to make that clear as i state
02:05:40.140this but i was just reading through some of the the band the adl stuff or musk threatening people
02:05:44.460with the adl and you know yahoo finance and a few other you know news sources were just talking
02:05:50.460about like yeah like he's replying to far-right guys and anti-semites like keith woods or whatever
02:05:56.420And it's just like, I feel like that does more damage, I think, to advertisers than, you know, whatever the ADL might do, because they're just making the ADL's case for them, all these news articles and journalists. So, I mean, I would be the ADL being off Twitter to me would not do much in part because they're banned off Twitter. It's not like their organization has been debanked or, you know, structurally, you know, it's not like they filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy or whatever.
02:06:24.440It's the same thing with the SPLC. Like, if you wanted to take down those orgs, I mean, you got to get them to be in financial ruins. And that's when you need like a Peter Thiel gawker situation. That's what made the threat of a lawsuit so interesting, because Elon Musk is the world's richest man, like he could easily, you know, afford to take the hit to, you know, dump $22 billion into a lawsuit and bankrupt them.
02:06:47.120but absolutely and i think you had hit the nail on the head by saying like i early on when this
02:06:53.460was happening i was on the side of it because i don't like to just throw spears at things and i
02:06:59.480said you know what this is good keith woods did what he he was kind of the head of it like he's
02:07:03.920yeah he was again and i said he's and people are kind of getting on his case because oh he's not
02:07:08.680going far enough i said no he did what he's supposed to do which is help get the conversation
02:07:12.920going but i know where this is going to go and i was calling this days early and it came to pass
02:07:18.340because it's obvious i'm i said what musk is doing is he doesn't really want to destroy the adl he
02:07:24.840just wants them off his back so he's probably going to say something like the adl is a fantastic
02:07:30.120organization that's been corrupted by the woke mind virus which is actually what he said and
02:07:35.060then that will chart a pathway for the adl to redeem itself by switching out some of the top
02:07:40.020executives and actually coming out the other end feeling stronger because oh we listened we learned
02:07:45.960we're better now and then everyone will be happy now that's not keith woods's job to do that that's
02:07:51.200actually our job our job is to getting the comments is to start tangential conversations by saying
02:07:57.420actually the adl was always like this it was never a fantastic civil rights organization
02:08:03.360then got corrupted by this thing called wokeness that you don't even know what it means anymore
02:08:08.100so it's always trying to drag it back into its own history uh and unless unless people are willing
02:08:13.780to do that that's kind of what this book was about in a lot of ways because it mentions the
02:08:17.860formation of the adl unless we're willing to collectively do that then we know how this is
02:08:23.620going to play out and it comes out the other end with adl being ironically stronger yeah absolutely
02:08:30.660to me i think that i i know a lot of people want to do the justice for mary fagan thing and i'm
02:08:38.500totally like it's a knee-jerk reaction i totally understand it i you know clearly that woman was
02:08:44.900you know strangled raped mutilated um i think that the the overwhelming amount of evidence from how
02:08:51.640people have portrayed the case you know it does make it look like hey um that you know leo frank's
02:08:56.920the one who did it but as we were talking before we went live you had made a point saying that like
02:09:01.560the the leo frank case is sort of an easy sidestep for adl apologetics to take place because they can
02:09:08.760argue you know judicial mist you know mistrials or you know sort of abuse in the case and all
02:09:15.740yada yada yada and i mean that doesn't get to the point that like throughout the adl's history
02:09:20.120it's played a major role in upending and upheaving every sort of like wasp cultural norm and
02:09:28.040institution in the united states since 1913 and its foundation yeah that's the more important part
02:09:34.860the leo frank case is fascinating and a lot of people in our sectors are obsessed with it
02:09:40.480rightfully so because it's very much an open and shut case everyone looks at it for five seconds
02:09:45.320and know he was guilty and the more details you learn the more lurid the tale gets uh but it's it
02:09:51.700would be easy and this is what they do it would be easy for them to sidestep it by saying look we
02:09:56.340don't care if he's guilty we just felt we needed to defend him because there was a mistrial of
02:10:01.120justice you we can we know where this goes but really the core of that story isn't so much them
02:10:09.420like jumping to defend this right this innocent man who just so happened to be jewish to me the
02:10:14.700story of that case and i say this because i think this will reverberate through the rest of the
02:10:19.820episode it's that this was an interesting uh case where blacks and whites were united against a
02:10:26.100common enemy because leo frank tried to blame a black person for murdering mary fagan and then
02:10:32.780whites who are supposedly the most racist insanely you know evil people on earth were actually
02:10:38.900defending the black guy and that's just not supposed to happen so that's what people wonder
02:10:44.120well why did they spend something to the tune of 27 million dollars on this case for this guy who's
02:10:49.980just kind of a nobody he's not a nobody but he's not like a celebrity but i really do think there's
02:10:55.280a story at the heart of the leo frank case where what really got them scared was whites and blacks
02:11:01.240united in some kind of in a way that they didn't expect and they had to like fight that somehow
02:11:08.140because otherwise it sounds like a red they created a whole fucking organization to do this
02:11:13.980they birthed uh a league to address this yeah and it's funny because we talk about coincidences and
02:11:22.440you know how how funny it is that we we have a talk about this book every time something goes on
02:11:27.220and you just mentioned uh you know black people uh you know being united in in such with whites
02:11:33.340on this issue. And apparently, Cynthia McKinney, former congressman and 2008 presidential nominee
02:11:40.000for the Green Party, had, you know, said, I know what where I'll be and what I'll be watching at
02:11:47.0006 p.m. Eastern today. So apparently, David Duke and Ayo Kamathi, or best known as the irradiated
02:11:55.560genie of Sofese, are saying, can black people and white people work together to defeat a common
02:12:01.380enemy so you know i i guess lo and behold another coincidence for today's discussion
02:12:06.960i mean really like you had mentioned at the top this book is written by a jewish activist who's
02:12:15.180very very close to the issue and if you read reviews of the book and i would welcome people
02:12:19.920to do it because there's other books on this topic from different perspectives one criticism
02:12:25.000of the book is that freeman takes a very we might say pro-jewish stance on things or kind of skips
02:12:34.000over certain parts of it i think that's why it's illuminating in my opinion you're hearing right
02:12:38.440from the source of jewish activism how they viewed these instances and it's a unique opportunity to
02:12:45.540read between the lines and if you if you understand what was going on at the time you'll see him
02:12:50.120kind of skip over certain parts and certain race riots that are not friendly to the narrative,
02:12:55.620because really at the heart of this book is the belief that Jews and Blacks can be united against
02:13:02.920whites once again. That's really what the book's about. And the book ends on that sort of really
02:13:09.780fearful concern that as non-white immigration comes to the United States and non-European
02:13:16.980immigration you know fades to the wayside that the cultural memory of the holocaust will disappear
02:13:22.340and that things are going to be awkward um to sort of navigate these relations especially for jews in
02:13:27.920america and you've seen this before with other ethnic groups like i recall when biden first got
02:13:32.800into the white house he had a meeting with black leaders and he was speaking with al sharpton and
02:13:37.000he had made a point saying like whites are not going to be the majority in america for a long
02:13:41.140time you know it's that their days are numbered for that for in terms of demographic majority
02:13:45.200is you're gonna have to learn to get along with other groups because even then right like white
02:13:48.700liberals know that like white guilt isn't gonna win forever because there are other groups that
02:13:53.320don't like african-americans like puerto ricans and mexicans for example yeah but uh this book
02:13:59.180also is really compounded as an illuminating read if you've read john murray cudahy's ordeal of
02:14:04.800civility because once you sort of understand the the the the jewish concept of chosenness
02:14:10.000especially in like more modern judaism or just jewish identity uh the relationship to how they
02:14:15.840feel when it comes to uh civilization from other cultures that sensation of otherness
02:14:21.640ethno-narcissism and sort of the knee-jerk reaction to defend one's kin like this book
02:14:27.540is even more illuminating i think because you're trying to incorporate or enculturate
02:14:34.080African-Americans into the Jewish ordeal of civility through these sort of common bond
02:14:40.640connections like, you know, Moses in the book of Exodus and that, you know, we're also equally
02:14:46.420being fought against in our own ways. You know, anti-Semitism is not all that different from
02:14:50.560anti-black racism. And clearly it has its issues. And one of the things that we'll get into in the
02:14:56.760book before we, you know, finish up this little intro here is, is that I recall, you know, did
02:15:02.480you watch oppenheimer by chance i didn't i was gonna wait till it goes up on torrents and that's
02:15:07.720not for any like moral or political reason i just i got a new uh baby that's like five months old it's
02:15:13.440very hard to get to theaters right now but i do want to see it oh well i won't spoil the whole
02:15:19.020thing for you but there is is japan okay uh i don't know i don't know if i want to spoil it
02:15:26.080that much for you i don't know japan is not okay though by the way their prime minister told them
02:15:33.100to have sex and they killed them so i don't think japan's all right but there's a point in the movie
02:15:39.680where they're talking about oppenheimer being a fellow traveler in communist politics which was
02:15:44.640the case for a lot of jews the 1930s 40s 50s and 60s uh still kind of is but you know he he just
02:15:52.160says nope i'm a proud new deal democrat you know like i'm an fdr democrat and it's just sort of
02:15:58.480this like weird like taxonomic language shift or it's like yeah but you're still a communist in a
02:16:04.580lot of respects but i guess that means so we're the new deal democrats and you see throughout the
02:16:09.100book that they're like well some jew group some jewish groups were like really into the marxism
02:16:14.760and there were all these internal disputes so we wouldn't go too far to the left but then the
02:16:19.120neocons were their own separate entity focused on foreign policy. And it's just like, but that
02:16:24.100still doesn't address the rampant Trotskyism and communism inside these organizations that makes
02:16:29.360these allegations that, you know, you're, you know, for instance, when we talk about like
02:16:34.180Martin Luther King, like, you know, Levinson was associated with communists, he had communist
02:16:39.380politics, like, these accusations are not untrue, as much as you want to skirt away from them,
02:16:45.060either own up to it or in this case play defensively like we are here and before we
02:16:50.680get any further we are talking about what went wrong the creation of the collapse of the black
02:16:54.400jewish alliance by murray friedman published in 1995 uh we talked about it um probably like six
02:16:59.500months ago um but we're here to hopefully finish the book so we'll get into it there i think we
02:17:05.220left off right around the formation of the adl um and uh i feel like we just said i don't think
02:17:12.560we need to go too much into the Leo Frank case. I feel like most people are kind of familiar with
02:17:16.040it, but that was sort of the flagship moment for more, you know, organized Jewish political
02:17:24.820activity in the United States. And it had only grown from there in 1913 onward.
02:17:30.680Absolutely. And you touched on something just there that I think is an important thread that's
02:17:35.260going to weave its way through this entire episode, because the first part of this, I think,
02:17:40.120had its own nice encapsulated story of how many Jews saw their relationship with blacks in the
02:17:46.920very very early formations of these relationships in America and this segment and for the rest of
02:17:52.820the book I really think the through line is the radicalism and the actual the break as it were
02:18:01.080between the blacks and the Jews how that happened and what you had just mentioned I thought was very
02:18:05.900poignant which is that you know a lot of these people we might call marxist or anyone would
02:18:11.300call marxist wouldn't call themselves marxist and that's something you see to this day um if you
02:18:16.740are all tuned into these circles of leftists most of us would just call them communists but they're
02:18:22.780like no i'm actually progressive no i'm not a marxist i'm a trotskyist no i'm just like i'm
02:18:27.720like a new deal democrat but it's all if you break it down point by point a lot of them are just
02:18:33.760basically marxists anyway and this book is full of that where they talk about like all these these
02:18:39.860jewish intellectuals who are like supposed to be completely diverse but they were the ones
02:18:45.500engineering the infiltration of communism in the era and this was the era of communist infiltration
02:18:53.100in american culture everyone was hyper aware of it everyone was on the lookout for it but you know
02:18:58.980there's other movies that kind of dance around this like trumbo with and other movies where
02:19:05.040like the red scare and it's like oh that's yeah good night and good luck comes to mind especially
02:19:08.960yeah that's just code for anti-semitism like they get that it just so happened that the people who
02:19:15.420were fingered for these these infiltrations just happened to be mostly jews and like you can't
02:19:20.460get rid of that story from this and there is a story also at the heart of this book which is that
02:19:26.160the story of black nationalist movements and their radicalization through communism and and we'll
02:19:33.280get to this in a bit but it's like the wrestling of trying to make them communist but also not
02:19:38.260racially aware but also make them racially aware against whites and it's it's this tension that i
02:19:44.180think blew up in their face and it's still blow and that and point is it hasn't been resolved i
02:19:49.160think that's what's so interesting this book as you're reading it you'll recognize a lot of
02:19:54.600parallels from like 1995 or even the seventies, it's still essentially the same. And correct me
02:20:01.080if I'm wrong, but I still see the relationship is fundamentally broken. We're kind of still
02:20:06.220talking about the same stuff. The black community and the Jewish community have the exact same
02:20:10.440problems. And those, those black radical groups haven't really changed much either.
02:20:17.640Yeah, absolutely. Cause there are multiple times throughout this book where I'm like writing in
02:20:22.320the margins or i'm just like this feels really familiar or like this hasn't changed or oh this
02:20:27.840makes sense based off some other recent news story that we can get into and it was this really bizarre
02:20:33.540like deja vu for me going through the history and seeing that really it has been this conflict
02:20:38.540frozen in time since the 1970s and it's you know the final chapter of this book is called the ghost
02:20:45.140of marcus garvey and or garvey's ghosts and it's particularly interesting because they still go
02:20:51.820back to that even in the even when he wrote this in the 1990s like we're still going back to marcus
02:20:55.800garvey and we're still talking about black nationalism and taking the concept of like
02:21:00.040zionism but putting it for african americans and you know we talk about it now because like in the
02:21:07.3001920s and the last time we talked about the book you know there was a lot of jewish store owners
02:21:12.140in like new york city and outside of harlem and in harlem as alongside property managers as well
02:21:17.920landlords that were jewish renting to black tenants and they couldn't stand them and now
02:21:22.960that sort of like the immigration the demographics has changed uh one of the things that he points
02:21:26.860out in the books is that like even when there's hostility to uh asian store owners because i'll
02:21:32.200like say like jews had their own version of white flight that you know there there was a saying they
02:21:37.200interviewed some black guy and they said well behind every oriental is just a jew and it was
02:21:41.420like there's still these cultural and historical you know fights that have not gone away and so
02:21:47.760this book is like a really good summary of a frozen ethnic conflict that really does only
02:21:54.660come to work together tentatively when it is to sort of like bash like the white man or or the
02:22:00.860system or to get more particular money for for programs or for their own government grants for
02:22:07.240their own organizations and so yeah i mean like this book is a it's a really fantastic and you
02:22:12.140can get this on internet archive um you can get a paperback or a hardcover copy i think for like
02:22:17.60030 bucks on amazon if you want to hunt it down it's one of those books that is like i think our
02:22:22.800friend bennett's philactery on twitter said you know a book is banned when it's like a thousand
02:22:26.320dollars for a hard copy on amazon not this burned book shit that you see in like barnes and noble
02:22:31.840and this is one of those books that i think is slowly turning into a banned book because it's
02:22:35.540just not being published anymore but it really is uh a great historiography for this stuff and
02:22:41.560um yeah i just that that's i think a really good summary for what this book is that these are the
02:22:48.700best types of banned books where they started off as like liberal books and now it's just
02:22:53.300inconvenient like we're not supposed to know this stuff this this is back when liberals and
02:22:58.520progressives were speaking more openly about what they wanted or what their beliefs are and you're
02:23:02.840not they're not supposed to believe that now so there's a few books like this i think i mentioned
02:23:07.900And if I mention this on the last episode, I forgive, forgive me.
02:23:12.180But on our show years and years ago, we covered two books back to back.
02:23:16.860One of them was the infamous Culture of Critique by Kevin MacDonald, which everyone's familiar with.
02:23:35.240I thought I was going to say at the synagogue.
02:23:36.740that'd be a fun uh way to drop it yeah i would love to explain to my jewish friends why i have
02:23:44.140a giant icon of the virgin mary written by me um yeah absolutely the other book right after that
02:23:51.960was one called jewish power by jj goldberg positively reviewed by the former prime minister
02:23:58.940of israel and what i found was that both these books one celebrated one band was they said
02:24:04.120essentially the same thing and jewish power you can get this anywhere and you can get a cheap
02:24:08.920paperback version it was outlining the proliferation of jewish interest groups in america throughout
02:24:14.240the 20th century something that to the tune of over 250 and he seemed to agree with kevin mcdonald
02:24:22.180on every single point that kevin mcdonald was making why they're doing it the existence of
02:24:26.440these groups the power that they have the pressure groups they only differed in one respect and i
02:24:32.340always come back to this, that J.J. Goldberg said that Jews need these groups because Europeans are
02:24:39.180randomly hostile to them. So they will admit that, yes, we have these groups. Yes, they're
02:24:44.480to serve our interests. Yes, we pressure European-ness out because we believe that
02:24:50.780is hostile to us, and you've proven that over the course of the 20th century. So I just found that
02:24:55.280interesting that the only difference is the justification that, oh, we actually do have
02:24:59.700cause to hate you know white culture european culture or be fearful of it at least and i think
02:25:05.720that also runs through the dna of this book that you'll see there's one line that uh he has later
02:25:13.480on the book where he's talking we'll get to later i don't want to get too far ahead of myself but
02:25:18.360we can get started now on the actual book yeah no i i haven't read uh jewish power and it's just
02:25:25.620kind of funny because it's like jj goldberg was for the longest time the editor of the jewish
02:25:31.400newspaper the forward um you know and wrote for numerous other jewish publications but
02:25:36.200uh yeah let's just dive into it i mean so we kind of wrapped up around um chapter let me just say
02:25:42.760i tried to search up right now jj goldberg to get an image and all i got was goldberg the wrestler
02:25:47.900so be careful out there oh i i literally typed in j dot j dot goldberg and i got what i wanted
02:25:56.020apparently but yeah juju goldberg that just searched the full name that might just work
02:26:03.060actually you never know that's that might just work but yeah so i mean chapter we we really
02:26:10.480just went through the 1920s and 30s um you know last time and we have like the rest of the 20th
02:26:17.020century to go into but um you know it was particularly interesting so chapter five is
02:26:22.860called blacks and jews as allies in the arts and social sciences and this is about you know
02:26:28.780expanding reach and publication for um black and jewish newspapers um you know for instance james
02:26:37.540baldwin uh had famously been more read in jewish journals and jewish newspapers before his sort of
02:26:44.580rise to prominent fame in the national scale and that's partially because of those publications
02:26:49.140because he was mainly published there whereas in comparison to you know say white writers or
02:26:56.160asian writers you know like so he became the most read black intellectual or black author
02:27:00.900because of this relationship but you know you you begin to see these relationships between um
02:27:08.840you know in commentary and the new leader james baldwin and this isn't paid 113 for me
02:27:14.480So in 1948, after Baldwin's first important piece, The Harlem Ghetto, appeared in Commentary, the magazine of the American Jewish Committee, Nathan Glazer, then a member of Commentary's editorial board, wrote of the board's pleasure that a remarkable young black writer, how remarkable we didn't know, had come to the magazine.
02:27:32.060The editors of Commentary, in a much more Jewish magazine than it is today, suggested that Baldwin write something about blacks and Jews, and Baldwin agreed to do so.
02:27:41.800The young Reinder found it difficult to deal with anti-Semitism in Harlem, but Warshaw forced him to confront the issue squarely.
02:27:48.520Baldwin found Warshaw to be an extraordinary editor who taught him you had to force from your experience the last drop, sweet or bitter, it could possibly give, end quote.
02:27:57.920Baldwin's piece on Harlem is one of the first serious explorations of Black-Jewish relations.
02:28:02.440He wrote deep empathy for both groups.
02:28:04.700Quote, the Negro identifies himself almost wholly with the Jew.
02:28:08.100The image of the suffering Christ and the suffering Jew are wedded in the image of the suffering slave, end quote.
02:28:14.320But then Baldwin turned to the harsh reality of life in Harlem.
02:28:17.480There, Jews were small tradesmen, rent collectors, real estate agents, pawnbrokers, and then followed the American tradition of exploiting Negroes, and became identified with oppression, where they were hated for it.
02:28:30.180Just as society must have a scapegoat, so the hatred must have a symbol.
02:28:33.760georgia has the negro but the negro but harlem has the jews and yeah and just right there you
02:28:39.580see the little rhetorical sleight of hand he does he does this throughout the not him but this
02:28:44.400the writer in question um they were just small tradesmen rent collectors and they followed the
02:28:49.380american tradition of exploiting negroes like they will frequently he'll frequently say that
02:28:54.440well the jews are just trying to fit in like it was really like white people who enslaved them
02:28:59.400we just well what do we sort of do we just want to be landlords and of course we of course we have
02:29:04.000to exploit the blacks because you know because white people bullied us into it he does this
02:29:09.280repeatedly in the book and it really sorry to interrupt you're trying to talk about that really
02:29:12.700no no that's a really good point because you see this as the even the writer marie friedman
02:29:19.360sees this where it's just like they don't understand we're not white and it's that
02:29:23.720schrodinger's minority thing that people kind of do when it comes to the issue of like jewish
02:29:27.720relations and say like more whiter european societies or relations to other groups is
02:29:32.880because a lot of them especially african americans or blacks in general do view them to be like oh
02:29:38.260they've just assimilated they're just like the white man they're just like the oppressor
02:29:41.420and they're like no no no no no you you have to understand we're this we're the secret other
02:29:45.700third thing we're not black we're not white we're jews um it's just like that's how he's got a
02:29:52.840moment of clarity in the book i remember at one point i think this might have been even earlier
02:29:56.520where he says something to the tune of black people would identify with anyone they thought
02:30:02.880could represent oppression so in a way he's right but he said like like the black nationalist
02:30:07.620movement at various points would look at like the irish or jews or the japanese or whatever but
02:30:13.940and what you saw i mentioned this earlier when i said like it hasn't changed over time but
02:30:18.500what you've noticed and this will sound very coarse but it's true that a lot of black nationalists just
02:30:24.060steal shit so for example i think the best thing that ever happened in modern times was black
02:30:29.940people just saying that they're jews now like they they just internalize like we we're going
02:30:34.900to identify with other oppressed people around the world so much that we're just going to say
02:30:39.880we're them so and a lot like the black israelites are like yeah no actually black people are the
02:30:44.620original jews so we're just we're just taking being jewish now and i think like the seeds of
02:30:50.700that started with this started like black people looking around like who can we identify with and
02:30:54.400it's like well how about everybody how about you're also irish and that's what we've seen
02:30:58.360throughout like the 2010s of them just saying yeah by the way black people are all of the
02:31:02.620oppressed people ever yeah absolutely and it and it's kind of funny how it emerges because you have
02:31:10.260the black hebrew israel this that actually is not a lot about at all in this book which is
02:31:16.520particularly interesting that you because they were back that they were starting around that
02:31:20.800time too he would be aware of it the earliest you know it starts with two black guys named
02:31:26.340frank cherry and william saunders saunders crowdy and they had started uh you know this claim they
02:31:32.920said that they had revelations from god himself that you know black americans are the actual
02:31:37.760true descendants of the hebrews in the christian bible and they started this church i think called
02:31:42.800um i wish i could remember something called like the church of god and his saints
02:31:47.100and like in 1898 or whatever and you know they said that um you know jesus was real he is the
02:31:55.560son of the living god but the talmud is authoritative and oh by the way christ returns
02:32:00.560in like the year 2000 um which is like you know weird right um to say the least right for anyone
02:32:09.480who's got that uh that sort of strange position um with religion you know at least they so they
02:32:16.460maintained their like you know christianity but they also like said that the he you know the the
02:32:22.140jews after the you know christian church is established have got some good things going for
02:32:26.240them and oh by the way um we're also really interested in freemasonry so it's this weird
02:32:32.360separate other thing right um but it became sort of this very niche black church and it ends up
02:32:40.880moving from you know i think it started out in kansas and it moves to brooklyn in the 1930s
02:32:47.200and so that's where you get a uh israelite rabbinical seminary where black hebrews you
02:32:54.760know they call themselves are ordained and educated and so they've got all sorts of issues there um
02:33:01.620but you know that's been a big part about their their fight with jewish identity as well so that
02:33:07.680they don't identify with the you know non-black jews but at this time they're not they don't
02:33:14.740believe in christianity but they maintain its elements yeah in terms of religious formation
02:33:19.740this would be akin to robbing a store but then stealing a bike on the way out as well
02:33:25.700yeah just taking a bunch of people's different stuff in one clean movement and and it's very
02:33:32.800interesting to see how that because what one of the biggest things that they really that murray
02:33:38.440friedman in this book and he and this is just found as a subtext throughout the entirety of
02:33:43.880the book is is that they don't know what to do on the religious issue because i mean that's where
02:33:51.840the ordeal of civility really helps expand my appreciation for this book, because, you know,
02:33:57.100Marie Friedman's Jewish, whether he's practicing or not, like he identifies with the people.
02:34:02.120And so by extension, he kind of keeps the tenets of the faith. But at the same time,
02:34:07.200you know, African-American Christianity is so widely, it's, I would already, it's far more
02:34:12.000philo-Semitic than how I understand Christianity, because that was an interesting point in time
02:34:18.080when you read Cudahy's take on on the ordeal of civility and he's just like well you know there's
02:34:24.480some philo-semitism in Christianity and I'm like whatever philo-semitism exists in quote-unquote
02:34:28.640Christianity stands in opposition to the gospel and furthermore it uh the entire history of the
02:34:35.580Christian church has been this war with whatever has survived the Talmudic tradition against like
02:34:40.940the Christian church and its doctrine and its organization and institutions but neither here
02:34:46.360there. But like in this book, Murray Friedman sort of highlights, well, what do we do with this?
02:34:52.280Like we can use the Exodus imagery very well to free our people out of slavery. But then once you
02:34:58.820get this introduction of Marcus Garvey, the sort of black nationalism, we'll repatriate, we'll take
02:35:05.540over, we'll get our own independent state, we're going to learn from the Jews. And then you have
02:35:09.940the introduction of the Nation of Islam and Louis Vuitton and these ideas there. And this is
02:35:15.600something that of course james baldwin had famously wrote about in the you know discussion
02:35:21.080with the nation of islam saying that like actually no the black man you know has been using white
02:35:26.480man's christianity as a way to keep them humble and to keep them under the thumb of the white man
02:35:32.220using the white man's god and it's a particularly and so groups that took on to that sort of mantra
02:35:39.060again the nation of islam or the anti-zionist positions of a lot of other black groups
02:35:44.280Friedman highlights this weird ethno-religious tension that oh maybe we can't use this exodus
02:35:52.160thing forever and I'm really concerned what's going to happen when blacks become totally
02:35:58.900divorced from Christianity like there is a small there's a very large portion of Christian blacks
02:36:03.660in America like that's very true black churches are a whole other ball game for whatever you're
02:36:08.880used to with mainline Protestantism but like yeah you know there is a large group that are like that
02:36:14.040you know they can even be pro-christian blacks but even then they're like free palestine and we
02:36:19.840see this later on in the whole andrew young affair which to me is one of the interesting
02:36:23.500chapters in this book but we'll get into it later um but yeah my feeling and this is more of a
02:36:30.140subtext and i see this to this day love jewish intellectuals is i don't think they take black
02:36:37.180christianity seriously because i don't think they take black people seriously that's really the
02:36:42.120headline of this book which is that these black people don't know what's good for them and what
02:36:46.820however you feel about black people that's one thing you know i know a lot of listeners of our
02:36:50.740show have their opinions but there is a very paternalistic tone and i think they look at
02:36:55.920black christianity as like oh they're just fans of it like they're not really christian so we can
02:37:01.520dabble in that and they were always convinced that they could like jailbreak black people
02:37:07.000out of Christianity because they didn't get it or something like that. And I still think they
02:37:12.100think that. And that's, you know, the proliferation of the nation of Islam is just another kind of
02:37:17.120example of that. But really, there's this line in the book, I'm trying to find it in my notes,
02:37:22.020but I think it was related to the Vietnam War. And it was about how Jewish radical groups were
02:37:28.680campaigning against war against the Vietnam War and against American interventionalism.
02:37:33.100and there was a shockingly low amount of black people who were polled who were against uh leaving
02:37:40.920the war like at this time black people were still very you know at least the main line they were
02:37:46.120still very pro-america they weren't anti-america yet and i think there is some kind of correlation
02:37:52.380between how much a lot of these communist pressure groups were able to wedge black people away from
02:38:00.920being pro-american that they became third worldist and that third worldism led them right into the
02:38:07.180nation of islam or anything exotic sort of this odd pan-africanism that's all of it's very poorly
02:38:12.800understood but it's just what happens when you just crowbar them off of american patriotism and
02:38:19.040let them go then but then they go in wild directions and that's kind of where you are now
02:38:23.260where the last thing they want to be is pro-america at least like the young maybe there's some older
02:38:28.220generations especially veterans who are still like that but you know i think even they know
02:38:33.460that the winds have turned and i think that like one of the stories in this book is that
02:38:37.960the jews kind of got everything they wanted they got their you know we talked this before the show
02:38:43.040whether or not this is too crude but they made their golems they made their golems of people
02:38:47.140that they thought would help them in their socio-political cause but they lost control
02:38:52.720of them they lost that's what this whole book is about that the black jewish alliance
02:38:57.240the entire first episode we did was showing that they were never really friends to begin with
02:39:02.460and we're kind of talking about how they're not really friends now so the black jewish alliance
02:39:06.800was like this little fucking 20-year pocket there where there were jewish people were just
02:39:12.300puppeting black people to get precisely what they wanted and that window of time closed and now
02:39:17.620what happened it was so good it's like no it wasn't you know you just you lost control of
02:39:23.380them and now you kind of don't know what you're doing that's my take on it i'd be curious to hear
02:39:27.560what you think yeah no i i noticed that and i again i just read this book again over the course
02:39:33.900of the weekend so i've got the the second half of the book much more fresh in my brain but like
02:39:38.240there they noticed that once these more after martin luther king like the central core tenant
02:39:44.700figure that did have a close relationship with you know various jewish groups is you know not
02:39:51.280to mention like levinson and so on but i mean like you know you had um abraham herschel and uh
02:39:58.220you know these sort of memorial services in the 60s and they're this close relationship there
02:40:05.040but i mean even friedman's just like look the civil rights movement was the zenith of the black
02:40:11.340jewish relationship and after that it goes really downhill because after martin luther king
02:40:14.780who really begins who were all these emerging factions because after king's assassination all
02:40:20.520these various groups about what is the future of like black you know identity and black you know
02:40:28.180civil rights movements where do you go so you have everything from like louis farrakhan or more you
02:40:32.900know or jesse jackson you know the operation breadbasket in chicago i mean the the destruction
02:40:39.900absolute you know utter devastation of the southern christian leadership conference after
02:40:45.560he resigned in 71 because like nothing was getting done it was mired by internal politics
02:40:50.200No one got along. And so, you know, Friedman's just like, really, that shows us that Jewish relations to blacks in America is about who are we more closely aligned with in these cults of personality, you know, and that's what made and you saw this really manifest in its tensions between the president of the United States, Barack Obama and Jewish America.
02:41:15.760and i'm not even talking about garrows like duck you know his biography about obama and like his
02:41:21.660his ex-girlfriend or whatever before he married um michelle michael whatever about a great story
02:41:27.780too i just read that recently yeah where he's just like well i i'm more supportive to my race than
02:41:32.900you know allegations of anti-semitism and we saw this even in his foreign policy with israel because
02:41:37.660benjamin netanyahu hates barack obama and we have to famously remember that barack obama did send
02:41:43.080political operatives in to interfere with the israeli election to get netanyahu ousted and it's
02:41:49.160sort of this echoes of the andrew young affair where like you don't want like this likehood you
02:41:54.980know hard right you know jewish nationalism and i mean like it reflected quite clearly in the
02:42:00.840politics of barack obama and his own concept of black identity and so yeah the the 20-year period
02:42:08.220is really there and so you know you know stokely carmichael malcolm x jesse jackson l sharp and
02:42:16.100everything that sort of emerges after and during martin luther king's time kind of illustrates
02:42:20.700that like we we can use each other for mutual ends but when we're done with this i'm gonna go
02:42:26.620my way and you're gonna go your way and our ability to have any sort of relationship is
02:42:31.360gonna just disappear really fast and that that's where to me that the book really takes the
02:42:37.360interesting turns is witnessing the destruction of this inter-ethnic relationship that really
02:42:44.000wasn't a two-way street because you know we noticed that mlk you know and when we talk about
02:42:50.500him all of his sort of more jewish advisors were saying like listen you have to be moderate you
02:42:56.200can't be a radical you can't demand immediate action and it has this very like if there we
02:43:02.000talk about communism again one of the things that really strikes out to me and it's in i think
02:43:05.580chapter six of this book where they learned a lesson from british fabianism you know
02:43:13.040incremental changes by changing popular and public opinion in a democracy because that's a lot more
02:43:20.660effective i think as we've learned than the 1920s red scare kind of communism where we're going to
02:43:27.000just like bomb shit and we're going to like try and kill people and we saw that again in the 1970s
02:43:32.020like the Weather Underground and other groups. But what got leftism more hurried along? It was
02:43:37.800legal victories and public awareness campaigns to get people associated with the idea that we
02:43:44.780can all get along. And so you get organizations like the American Jewish Congress and the ADL
02:43:49.540working with the NAACP about how we can fight hate, how we can fight segregation, how we can
02:43:56.540encourage integration um but again you know if as long as it serves mutual ends that's fine but
02:44:02.740the moment we run into like i'm gonna fight for my guy you're gonna fight for your guy we can't
02:44:07.520work together anymore that classic kind of once there's that line of exception you know on really
02:44:14.180on ethnic lines that schmidtian friend enemy distinction makes itself very known very quickly
02:44:19.840Yeah. And on page in that same chapter, chapter six, he's got a quote from Stephen D. Isaacs, where he says, after World War Two, Jews were overcome with a, quote, religio-cultural obsession with the equalitarian ideal.
02:44:35.400And this is, like you said, where they start ramping up the creation of NGOs, just like the the Jewish Congress.
02:44:42.740And he makes a point here that the angle they were taking during this time, and I think for the succeeding decades, was they were planning an attack on racial identity explicitly to further their own interests, specifically what they were targeting through psychology.
02:45:01.420because you know psychology and psychiatry was starting to get more mainstream acceptance they
02:45:06.840started targeting what they called authority authoritarian personalities or the psychological
02:45:12.540profiles of people who want to control things so there's like this broad movement in the interest
02:45:19.080of equality targeting people who who seem like they want to control things which would be people
02:45:24.580who are interested in hierarchies so you can kind of see this graph very easily onto liberalism as
02:45:30.520well but it was completely through the conduit of psychiatry and these ngos which were put
02:45:36.600pushing all these like bogus papers you start seeing all these like studies and studies and
02:45:42.140papers emerge about the types of people who discriminate and how evil they are a lot of it
02:45:48.180was just there's a story here later on about how it's like all the the biggest uh study
02:45:53.860and a lot of people will remember this it was about introducing kids of different races to
02:46:00.660dolls of different races and it proved that there's the entire idea of internalized racism was
02:46:08.500forwarded by this uh jewish scientist who noticed that exactly that the black kids didn't like
02:46:16.280playing with the black dolls and they'd like playing the white dolls which means it's the
02:46:19.480internalized racism total bullshit not proven at all but that persists in the zeitgeist to this
02:46:26.260day and it was made back then so there's all this shit that was drummed up made of whole made of
02:46:31.040whole cloth back then that still it's on the top of everyone's mind it's it's baffling yeah that's
02:46:39.300in the chapter the origins of the civil rights revolution there were a few things that really
02:46:43.620stuck out to me in this chapter and so this is on page 144 for those who have a copy of the book
02:46:48.360and you're listening and following along.
02:46:50.020The American Jewish Congress established in 1945
02:46:52.160the Commission of Law and Social Action, CLSA,
02:46:55.040under Will Maslow and Alexander Pichelis.
02:47:11.980whether or not the individual issues involved
02:47:15.140touch directly upon so-called Jewish interests.
02:47:17.780The tradition and the fate of Israel are inducibly bound to those forces of liberalism. But later on, there's this section here where he says, Pekalas believed that anti-Semitism in the United States, unlike that of Tsarist Russia, had its roots in private governments, by which he means aggregations of power in giant corporations, large universities, real estate boards, professional associations.
02:47:40.600So accordingly, in 1945, the American Jewish Congress opened fire on Columbia University.
02:47:46.080But to me, what he's really saying here is that American Jews really don't like private covenants and freedom of association, which kind of ties in very well for the Civil Rights Act.
02:47:55.820Because, I mean, we've seen the absolute destruction of freedom of association in this country.
02:48:00.480Yeah. And conservatives have been beating their head against that wall ever since.
02:48:04.800Like, why won't they just let us hang out with who we want to hang out with?
02:48:08.280and they're still doing that to this day it's like you know you should be able to free it's
02:48:12.320that's been a losing battle since the 60s because you have these well-moneyed and well-funded
02:48:17.780organizations who are trying to sell you a story that that's anti-american
02:48:23.120yeah and they they also will call you a racist bigot and an anti-semite if you if you do so and
02:48:30.040so americans are like we just want to be left alone and it's just like you're never going to
02:48:33.760get that because that's been legally both you know both de facto and as you're just like taken
02:48:39.300away from you and unless you're willing to acknowledge that and that might require you
02:48:42.760to get called a bigot you're never going to win that battle but the yeah he talks about the um
02:48:48.360this the psychology aspect of it here you know we we talk about um i mean famously i think a lot of
02:48:55.720people in our circles might know like the frank boaz thing you know sort of a the clean blank slate
02:49:00.580of human anthropology. We saw that with the rise of Jewish and Catholic anthropologists and
02:49:06.180sociologists that were more likely to take the blank slate idea rather than maybe an HBD take
02:49:12.160in the 1950s. But that Ruth Horowitz story about self-hatred is cited in Brown v. Board of Education
02:49:20.920in 1954, along with some other studies. But even Friedman's like, listen, that Ruth Horowitz study
02:49:27.160from 1939 doesn't really hold up to snuff. And then you see others, you know, talking about the
02:49:33.460authoritarian personality was being published. Clark completed a six-month study for the American
02:49:39.300Jewish Committee on the impact of, you know, studies on, you know, self, you know, on the
02:49:45.700idea of racism, which of course has its own issues. But all of this to me illustrates that
02:49:51.740like the 1950s, you see this rise of, well, if we can use egalitarian equality, liberal ends,
02:49:58.660we can sort of get two birds with one stone here from both ethnic groups. And once you begin to
02:50:04.860see that, it really gets heated as they try and take on the fallout of the Civil Rights Act and
02:50:12.360the Civil Rights Movement. Well, how do we make sure that like rioting or ethnic resentment
02:50:18.460towards white people doesn't fall back on us. And what's interesting is that, so there's some
02:50:24.460claims, especially on our side, that absent the Jews, that none of these things would have come
02:50:31.100to pass. For me, it's difficult to draw a firm line between what parts of these movements are
02:50:38.480just Jewish influence and what parts are just liberalism kind of evolving over time. And what
02:50:44.620you see in a lot of these cases and brown versus the board of education is a good one and maybe we
02:50:49.860can dive into this if you'd like but uh the one thing that stood out to me was that a lot of black
02:50:57.160teachers in that entire catastrophe they were against it because they thought well this will
02:51:04.480threaten my job like we actually like segregated schools because it means black teachers there's
02:51:08.740more schools you know if we get rid of these schools if they're illegal then we'll have fewer
02:51:12.820schools and a lot of black teachers will lose their jobs. And so in a lot of these cases where
02:51:17.620they're sort of civil rights flashpoints, it seemed to be that the blacks were more on the
02:51:22.560side of incremental change. They're like, okay, let's not be crazy. We just want a few things
02:51:27.380here and there. And oftentimes, not all the time, but oftentimes these Jewish groups came in and
02:51:33.040wanted to supercharge and said, no, you're not being radical enough. Or there's times when the
02:51:37.100blacks were partnering with the whites and said, no, don't partner with them. You need to be on
02:51:40.600your own or with us or you know i mean like there there's a case to be made that without these
02:51:46.560pressure groups america would look very very different than it is today it might not be exactly
02:51:53.460where it is but it's like maybe these battles would have been a bit more incremental and a more
02:51:57.420a steadier balance would have been struck maybe closer to something like this people often look
02:52:03.040to the south as you know whites and blacks have slightly better relationships there so maybe it
02:52:07.460be something closer to that. You might actually have more of a segregated America if it was up
02:52:12.520to whites and blacks, just them. I'd like to hear what your thoughts on that are, but that seemed to
02:52:17.980be a pattern I saw with some of these flashpoints. Yeah, no, I think that there's a good nugget to
02:52:24.900examine there because I don't, for instance, I was listening to a lecture from Don Livingston
02:52:31.300of the abbeville institute and he was offering uh a rather interesting claim about race relations
02:52:38.820in the south you know saying that like listen as the war went on you know the the war of 1861
02:52:45.180continued like there was calls for you know freeing blacks and to have blacks serve and earn
02:52:52.900their freedom that way and some might find that absolutely radical that they were their property
02:52:56.620But the logic for a lot of like Confederate legislators, of course, most famously, the Jewish member of the Confederate government and assistant to the president, you know, at the time he had said, Judah P. Benjamin, he's just like, well, really, our logic is that they would fight for their homeland, not their master, but their home.
02:53:14.600the south was their home and so you know and there's the the rumored and alleged story that
02:53:20.300some try to debunk some say that isn't that you know famously there's a story where um after the
02:53:25.760war ends robert e lee is at an episcopal church in the south and as they approach the communion
02:53:31.620table a black man you know he lets the black guy go first um rather than himself as sort of this
02:53:37.440like sense of honor or belongingness and so his thesis was is that listen had the south you know
02:53:43.540become its own independent state or had we not dealt with the tyranny of reconstruction race
02:53:49.000relations between whites and blacks would be a lot different in the south and i mean they
02:53:51.960fundamentally are different in the south than they are in the north and i mean there are multiple
02:53:56.080studies that even total dickheads like richard hanania or richard haust you know would like to
02:54:01.840say that like well you know more you know people don't like blacks the further north they get up
02:54:07.500the great movement north of black flight after the 1940s and 50s. But to me, we probably would
02:54:16.240have a much different race relations there. I mean, people naturally segregate. People try to
02:54:23.280figure out that question time and time again, like, why do all the black kids sit at the same
02:54:26.040table? Because we all want to be with our own kind. That's a natural tendency that has been
02:54:30.720thoroughly eliminated for a lot of mainly white people um like because white liberals hate
02:54:37.100themselves and they they're so xenophilic and there's more than enough studies to conclude
02:54:41.340that but it's very interesting to see had all these organizations not exist i mean like we
02:54:47.760talked about in the last section that you know when the naacp was created you know most of its
02:54:52.140board and its chair people were jews for the longest time and you know if that if those
02:54:58.280organizations that exist will we see more of a black nationalist attitude would we see more of
02:55:02.880a okay you're gonna have your black school we're gonna have more hbcus we're we're gonna have our
02:55:08.240you know primaries or whatever that are white like would it be that way maybe um but again
02:55:14.160those are those kind of questions it's like asking you know what would it be like if adam and eve
02:55:17.940never fell to corruption you know like we'll we'll never know but i do think we wouldn't have
02:55:22.700podcasting at all i bet oh yeah i'd i'd imagine um i'd imagine that we'd uh be in a much different
02:55:31.420place than we are today i guess there might just be one podcast yeah one podcast um no no that's
02:55:40.060as you're describing that i keep getting this image in my mind and it's some people will think
02:55:44.640this is just a flight of fancy but um i know a lot of people who are very deep into american history
02:55:50.220have have similar thoughts on this but i'm like the the story of whites versus blacks in america
02:55:57.280it's like two people at a table having a very tense negotiation and then a rabbi just like
02:56:03.040drops two knives between them it says go go now it's like what could have happened if these
02:56:09.480these conflicts and there's been there's so many in the 60s and the 50s and the 40s like what would
02:56:14.720have happened if that negotiation was like allowed to happen on different terms like we'll never know
02:56:20.200but unfortunately it's difficult to even imagine that looking at the race relations of 2023
02:56:27.360like it does seem like peering back into a different world like we're not dealing with the
02:56:32.160same types of people anymore so i don't i don't want people to get the wrong idea like i don't
02:56:37.200even think if we were granted the idea for some kind of some kind of negotiation like that it
02:56:44.440would probably end in some kind of national divorce which i don't think would ever really
02:56:47.480happen like it's just a mess now so this isn't like a we can work our way back there i think it's
02:56:53.960probably done at this point but yeah i think that that time has long passed but it was it was kind
02:56:59.480of funny because i think everyone has kind of got like there's i know people like to use the phrase
02:57:04.940on twitter like in in their traditional you know sort of like edgy racist fashion or whatever
02:57:10.420like everyone's got negro fatigue or whatever and like because you look at the media and every time
02:57:15.820that there's like a black criminal it's a different kind of euphemism and i at this point
02:57:19.740the newspapers are just playing a parody of arthur c clark's the nine billion names of god
02:57:24.880you know it's the the nine billion names for the n-word and it's frustrating because on one hand
02:57:32.680even like normie political or just like podcasters you know like martyr made like daryl cooper has
02:57:40.000taken the throne of dan carlin who doesn't have trump derangement syndrome he does good stuff on
02:57:44.500history but he had said like can you imagine this happening it was the video um he was quote
02:57:50.100tweeting a video with the caption like was race relations always like this for like a group of
02:57:54.060blacks were harassing somebody and even martyrmaid was just like yeah it used to happen but we could
02:58:00.180lynch them you know send tweet and it was just like oh you know that's kind of uh saucy for a
02:58:05.640large mainstream podcaster but like it was there's a there's a nugget of truth to that you know like
02:58:12.800that stuff happened that stuff exists that was the way of keeping law and order when it took
02:58:17.020forever for a judge and a jury to get organized and you needed swifter justice but now we can't
02:58:22.280have that and it was just a particularly interesting world that doesn't exist anymore
02:58:28.700because you aren't allowed to defend yourself as a white guy um that's just that that's gone and a
02:58:35.980lot of that does have to come out of these civil rights revolutions and sort of the emergence of
02:58:40.480this more new and radicalized left um you know he he talks about this here where he's just like
02:58:47.380a lot of jewish leftists and academics so they just became thoroughly depoliticized um he had
02:58:54.740wondered if you know like anything was worth saving with these sort of movements he says uh
02:58:59.400this is page 159 he says david horowitz the principal figure of the new left and an active
02:59:03.520supporter of the black panthers in the 1960s wrote that his own parents never spoke out publicly
02:59:08.680like thousands of other former communists they had left the party but they could never leave
02:59:13.840the faith um and then this goes on about talking about the uh the montgomery bus boycotts in the
02:59:20.6601950s and that um you know how we still have these problems between well the the relationship between
02:59:31.260like ex-communists quote-unquote ex-communists and how we can try to advance these sort of
02:59:37.320ethnic groups here which had made the predominantly still rather waspy and ellis islander governments
02:59:43.600of america um you know kind of like we can call you communists but we're gonna get in trouble if
02:59:49.660we call you jewish yeah and like a lot of these ex-communists just became progressives like they
02:59:56.120got disillusioned with the soviets but they changed essentially nothing about their worldviews or
03:00:02.400their politics um i think that's why uh horowitz was saying i forget the quote you just said but
03:00:08.580like never left the faith yeah they never do and you can even look at most marxists now like
03:00:13.440they'll have nothing but criticisms of the soviet union but they're stronger marxists than ever
03:00:18.460um it's it's a remarkable ideology where the more it fails the stronger it gets like a
03:00:25.440superstructure in a sense um but yeah like i have a i have a friend of mine who says that a lot of
03:00:33.400like new rightists or whatever they're just functionally marxoids because we use words like
03:00:38.140the base and the superstructure and uh just i i always chuckle at that it's just like no i'd like
03:00:44.080to use marx's hammer and sickle to you know redact leftists it's a little different yeah i like
03:00:49.800hammers and sickles you don't get to take the hammer and sickle you know but like i always just
03:00:54.820as a quick tangent uh we've remarked on our show because our show we cover a great many books and
03:00:59.980we've like we covered the first two volumes of capital by marx we've covered you know the
03:01:05.480conquest of bread um i give things a fair shake and i i've said before when i was on jay burden
03:01:10.680just the other day we're covering foucault i often like uh the leftist and marxist starting points i
03:01:17.220like their starting positions i typically don't like where they end up but if you take the time
03:01:22.720and read what they write like you'll find stuff in there that's good and that things like concepts
03:01:28.720that would not have been stumbled upon by traditionalists or people on the right like
03:01:33.680you know people use the word hyper reality all the time that's a fucking marxist communist phrase
03:01:40.220like i think there was althusser that came up with that yeah and there's a lot of stuff you
03:01:44.620can read zizek slavosh zizek is cool and funny and interesting um but you need to have the
03:01:51.240intellectual rigor to like kind of parse through the stuff and if you actually know more about this
03:01:57.300stuff you can kind of see where they're being a little devious with their reasoning but
03:02:01.120people you know don't be afraid of it you can uh like i find that with a lot of them though like
03:02:07.080they're very allergic to concepts from the right and we're not as allergic to interesting ideas i
03:02:13.600think we that's to our benefit anyway that's a bit of a tangent well it's also kind of an
03:02:18.240interesting historical tangent to go on because this relating back to the book like they left the
03:02:22.700party but they never left the faith was that you know this is happening at the same time like
03:02:27.640stalin is dead khrushchev is in charge and you're like well stalin killed millions of people prior
03:02:34.840to that you know like the predominantly you know there was an over-representation of jewish
03:02:39.820individuals that were a part of sort of bolshevism you know like that killed millions of people and
03:02:46.080martyr countless christians but you know and he's going down in the book he says um
03:02:52.140quote the broad the badly discredited stalinist left led by william z foster ordered party
03:03:00.080leaders and other stalwarts underground to escape prosecution another faction while retaining its
03:03:05.840marxist perspective sought to quote americanize the communist party early in 1956 the leaders of
03:03:12.780the latter faction, many of them Jewish, like John Gates, editor of The Daily Worker, and Joseph
03:03:18.440Starobin, its former foreign editor, as well as Eugene Dennis, suggested taking a new look at the
03:03:23.140causes of the party's failures. Its ensuing struggle, the Foster faction won out, you know,
03:03:30.060to escape prosecution. But, you know, the Americanizers stayed in touch with one another,
03:03:34.240he argues, and they had formed sort of a reserve apparatus to spring into action at the first hint
03:03:39.620of social ferment. They were present in the civil rights movement and the peace groups through a
03:03:44.040powerful, informal organization presence. Maurice Eisserman has written the most influential adult
03:03:49.980radical group in the 1960s was probably this party of ex-communists, a party that could do
03:03:55.040almost anything that a more formally organized radical group could do the same in every situation
03:04:00.480except recruit new members. And this is sort of the, you know, part of the relationship of the
03:04:05.440montgomery bus boycott and the the new left and so you know you have the socialists who are also
03:04:12.900sort of like anti-communists but like every sort of like non-capital non-waspy group in america
03:04:19.520especially marxist socialists syndicalists they were all looking for well how do we get
03:04:25.080blacks on our side and what what can we do to to get them there like you said you you were more
03:04:30.560crude like well how do we get our golem but like how do we get our our angry radical you know
03:04:37.360bodies out on the street and um you know harrington wrote um or he called what was it called
03:04:45.160here i'm trying to look for it um yeah they were all looking for black people but he says
03:04:49.240this afro-american jewish radical community in new york and elsewhere became the sit the seed
03:04:56.020bed for civil rights activism in the 1960s so we're we're sort of getting this like well yeah
03:05:00.540a lot of these guys just happen to be Jewish and were happened to be at the forefront of these
03:05:04.860like radical organizations that would help foment what becomes the civil rights movement in the
03:05:09.5601960s and i forget if i mentioned this on the uh last episode but there's a book that goes into
03:05:17.440this specifically and it because you can you can spend an entire episode on a lot of these
03:05:22.260specific areas but there's this book called days of rage by brian burrow i think required reading
03:05:28.580required reading yeah and there's so much it's one of those books you know if for people like
03:05:34.020to read books there's some books where they lag in the middle or they got they kind of get better
03:05:38.680near the end this is one of those ones where every single page has something you want to take a note
03:05:42.800on um and just you can speak about this book forever we covered it on our show long long time
03:05:47.700ago but one of the things i always come back to is the again distinctly jewish recruitment
03:05:55.580of black soldiers for like their leftist marxist revolutions that they were kicking off like
03:06:01.320actual terrorism for people who haven't read the book and they were often recruiting from prisons
03:06:06.300and the way they described their relationship with the the black soldiers they're going after
03:06:12.380was really interesting because it wasn't even that cynical like a lot of these true believer
03:06:17.320often jewish uh leftists were like in love with the idea of black people arguably they still are
03:06:24.080you know as this or almost like a noble savagery they thought that they're they're like the clay
03:06:29.560they can mold and they're very sexually attracted to them and they'd go to prisons and fall in love
03:06:34.260with them and teach them and give them money and give them books and it was so funny reading stories
03:06:39.020about how many like black people just went along with it and then just ditched them the moment they
03:06:43.740got out but they just used the communist to get like free fucking canteen money and then just like
03:06:50.620left and then they were all dejected like why didn't why didn't they see but that that story
03:06:56.600there's so much of that that goes on the 60s of them trying to like make black people into like
03:07:01.260these the cool hep cat revolutionaries and sometimes it worked but most of the time it's
03:07:07.340like we're dealing with fucking crack dealers and shit like they don't get this yeah you're just
03:07:12.980not gonna get what you're what you want out of them like there's there's too many problems that
03:07:18.740you have to deal with crack dealers haven't changed much go try and get them to read marks
03:07:23.800and angles it's not easy yeah no it's uh it's not going to work all that well as much as you want to
03:07:31.360they won't even sit through kendrick lamar videos anymore
03:07:34.940whoo um but yeah i mean there's there's quite a bit there uh to look i mean to just deal with
03:07:44.060in that respect but there is that sort of like how do we use them as a a useful cudgel and then
03:07:51.220get the hell out of here when they start pointing the finger at us and i think that could even lead
03:07:56.240because we could spend a lot of time on this next i don't know what time you need to leave or put a
03:08:01.580oh i got we're good okay because we can get into martin luther king and like there's again this is
03:08:08.880one of those things like leo frank there's so much content out there there's so much that can be said
03:08:12.940about the phenomena of martin luther king jr um especially there's the part we're going to cover
03:08:19.520but then there's also the entire hemisphere of his life which is about how he got to where he is how
03:08:25.000he was a philanderer plagiarist shouldn't even got to the position he was at i don't know how
03:08:31.380much of that you can blame on jews versus just white liberals kind of hand waving him through
03:08:36.340and pretending he didn't just be a hack fraud his whole life but there is the relationship
03:08:42.440established in this book where he really did seem like a puppet to a lot of his jewish handlers
03:08:49.240especially near the end well and it's really interesting because it isn't just in explicitly
03:08:55.340like he's not just like a puppet of jews or whatever like it's very important that that
03:09:02.440isn't the takeaway but you know there are other characters besides say like stanley david levinson
03:09:08.780but like there's also of course um bayard rustin who is an indian you know and he had you know had
03:09:16.380a relationship and wanted to model it off muhandas gandhi and you know he wanted to be like a
03:09:21.600pacifist he wanted to approach things but he also was a big help to working with art luther king
03:09:27.100jr and he was told by a lot of people like you need to go talk to him you need to go do these
03:09:34.440things um and you know be a part of this like idea for for change the fellowship of reconciliation
03:09:40.020and this this is that fabian thing i was talking about you know um because you know despite the
03:09:46.540fact that he was a former communist and you know he had to keep the party line and all that jazz
03:09:52.140He was also looking to talk with others in America, and he had met A.J. Must.
03:09:58.200And A.J. Must was the head of the Fellowship of Reconciliation, which was this organization started in 1914, quote, to seek social change through the confrontation of ideas.
03:10:08.400The organization came to the United States one year later and quickly grew into the nation's leading exponent of pacifism.
03:10:14.200Now, regardless of your take on pacifism or American foreign policy or whatever, you know, Rustin was called the itinerant Gandhian of the Fellowship of Reconciliation, and, you know, he's a big part of helping the start of the racial equality, Congress for Racial Equality Corps in New York in the 1940s.
03:10:34.560but he would later on work with martin luther king and so you've got this sort of like fabianism
03:10:40.460and i don't know if like the fellowship of reconciliation isn't innately fabian but
03:10:44.900fabianism to me is sort of that leftist notion of like think tanks and social groups confronting
03:10:50.460ideas having dialogue or what nick land would say is that every every dialectic every opportunity to
03:10:56.060argue is an opportunity to rule and to me fabianism really hits that at the core here so from
03:11:02.480rather radical violent action which has always been sort of that i mean i know that bowling for
03:11:08.960columbine is a total piece of shit but like more kind of gets a point there where he's just like
03:11:14.000yeah white people were concerned about race riots because that was also a big part of the the civil
03:11:19.960war was like abraham lincoln a big part of the emancipation proclamation was to encourage slave
03:11:25.520riots was to encourage the killing of white mothers and children while the men were fighting
03:11:31.240war but that didn't happen the way it did um and so they had to change things yeah yeah that's a
03:11:38.260point i was going to say just as a addendum to that like yeah people in the modern day and our
03:11:44.360current era forget how frequent these race riots were and how absolutely fucking brutal they were
03:11:50.080as well um sorry i just wanted to add on to that oh yeah absolutely and so you have rustin working
03:11:57.380with martin luther king and um you know that uh even though he was like this pacifist or whatever
03:12:07.120like we you know we gotta we gotta embrace the gandhi way of things despite gandhi having his
03:12:11.600own giant closet full of skeletons um you know he's he says here he says um rustin found king
03:12:19.580an odd and appealing mixture of determination and vulnerability i need your help king told
03:12:24.780the entertainer Harry Belafonte, who also joined King's entourage, I have no idea where this
03:12:30.880movement is going. And after lengthy conversations, King and Rustin reached an agreement on how
03:12:35.820supporters in the North could assist the Montgomery Improvement Association, the central vehicle of
03:12:41.080the bus boycott. King knew that communists and other radicals in seeking to alleviate working
03:12:45.920conditions in the South had worked alongside blacks in textile mills and union shops, but he
03:12:50.580always opposed communism and recognized the perils that lay ahead if his actions appeared
03:12:54.660to be influenced or controlled by leftists the improvement association which was in fact a
03:13:00.140grassroots organization must give the appearance of developing all the ideas and strategies
03:13:04.480used in the struggle is what king told bayard rustin um and i like that immediately right
03:13:11.300after this with this remark king unknowingly laid out the future agenda of the black jewish alliance
03:13:15.520yeah well that's the thing in this chapter specifically i think we're on
03:13:20.520it shows that he was wrestling with this a lot behind the scenes and specifically
03:13:26.140with his he calls them his jewish influencers they're stanley levinson randolph and ella baker
03:13:32.520they essentially wrote his uh they ghost wrote his autobiography strive towards freedom
03:13:38.200and that it they painted a picture of mlk who was like wrestling with this one hand that there's these
03:13:45.520communists that want to pull in this one direction and he's making like secret phone calls like i
03:13:50.660don't want to do it i don't want to but like it painted a picture of like a man who wasn't really
03:13:55.580in control it seemed like he was being pulled from many many different sides which would fit
03:14:00.920the description that a lot of people have of mlk is a guy who wasn't particular like he was
03:14:06.660charismatic but i think he was punching above his weight uh for all the people who wanted like to
03:14:13.960invest in him and essentially control him now what do you think about that i mean there's this is
03:14:22.920this goes back i think to a lot about the debates over like martin luther king day because it's the
03:14:26.620great article about samuel t francis the martin luther king holiday and i don't remember if he
03:14:30.860wrote it in american renaissance or somewhere else but he was talking about how like you go
03:14:36.600through the records and how much the fbi still to this day has stuff classified on that they kept
03:14:41.780classified after the the deadline i think it was like in 2022 or whatever um but i mean you're
03:14:47.740surrounded by these far more influential people that have deeper connections than you and you've
03:14:53.920now made yourself this deal where you're not really in charge but you're the you're the face
03:14:59.500of it you know you are considered to be this like you know this reverend who oh you know despite
03:15:05.400the fact that you you hung around philanderers made fun of kennedy getting assassination denied
03:15:10.040the divinity of Christ or whatever, um, you, you kind of recognize that you're not in charge
03:15:14.760and you, you don't know what to do about it. Um, and that's when you get Rustin, you know,
03:15:20.360inter, you know, you know, making sure that there's the introduction to Stanley David Levinson
03:15:25.800in 1956. And, um, just as Lewis, and he says, just as Lewis Marshall typified the relationship
03:15:33.600over the 1920s this is now repeated with levinson versus um you know king and i think that there is
03:15:41.820a lot of helplessness to that respect because i mean you know king's got armed guards king knows
03:15:47.500the stakes he kind of recognizes what he is and he's got his own politics he does have ideas
03:15:53.220and we see this later on especially when it talks about foreign policy before he's assassinated in
03:15:58.060in 68 um or 60 yeah a lot of people when they talk about mlk they talk about this kind of
03:16:05.960brief span of time when he's more i guess headline friendly but he's saying and doing a lot of
03:16:12.400interesting stuff near the end of his life that they don't put in the movies i think
03:16:16.400he gets a lot more radical he gets a lot more i'd argue even anti-american i think i read a few
03:16:23.160quotes from him um and then then he's shot i don't i don't think those two are connected it was just
03:16:28.280those two things happened in concert yeah no and i mean like this is the the fun thing to deal with
03:16:34.240this is just like well who is stanley david levinson and this is the big indictment about
03:16:39.260you know mlk being a commie or i mean mlk's got his own issues which this book talks about but
03:16:45.420like in relation to this relationship quote here you know um that's fine where where's the section
03:16:52.920I had here. Levenson was a political radical who worked on behalf of the convicted Adam Spice,
03:16:59.000Ethel and Julius Rosenberg, who were executed in 1955. I think those are the only two large,
03:17:04.980well-known names of Jewish individuals that have ever been publicly executed like that, or
03:17:10.420charged with treason, in efforts to abolish the McCarran Act and other limitations on political
03:17:16.860expression. He was also a financial pillar of the Communist Party and other radical causes.
03:17:21.720though wet levinson won no honors in his lifetime he was enormously influential behind the scenes
03:17:26.520throughout king's career this is like three sentences you know like this is stanley david
03:17:30.460and this is going to be one of those influential men on civil rights icon quote unquote um
03:17:37.480martin luther king jr like yeah a little caught and this is just right here right you know all
03:17:43.480right here in this little book telling it like it is let's just let's just breathe past that too
03:17:48.040yeah this one it's not like this the author of siege wrote this book this is just a guy from his
03:17:54.280side of the story telling you how it was and i feel like that's kind of the important thing to
03:17:58.080get out here it's just like regardless of whatever your take is on that position or the questions or
03:18:03.800whatever you know like it it is very clear to indicate that no this like this there's a
03:18:11.460disproportionate group of them that identify with these principles that have um maybe is
03:18:17.300e michael jones would say revolutionary spirit to you know undermine what already exists and i mean
03:18:24.080i think that that concept of like you know anywhere around the corner i could be attacked or i could
03:18:30.860be um you know exiled or brought up for disputation yeah it means we have to undermine everything you
03:18:38.040know it's that book you mentioned jewish power yeah if you truly believe that you are a targeted
03:18:44.580minority because if you again we're not trying to psychoanalyze the entire jewish people here
03:18:49.120but let's do it anyway i mean they do it to us exactly they made a thing called called spade
03:18:55.640and then so like they if you believe you are a chosen people and that runs in the dna of your
03:19:02.720existence you will believe you kind of believe you're targeted at all times even when you're not
03:19:06.960and is that going to inform your behavior in any way and this is why you don't you should never
03:19:12.160believe the whole thing about oh there's religious and non-religious jews we'll ask a non-religious
03:19:16.880jew their opinion on israel across the boards like do you think israel should exist you won't
03:19:21.840find many jews who say no so on every significant issue any socio-political issue it seems that the
03:19:28.920religious and non-religious align over identity so let's start the conversation with that you know
03:19:34.680and you had mentioned you know revolutionary spirit from e michael jones fantastic book
03:19:38.640and this is sort of uh what kevin mcdonald is getting at with the culture of critique like
03:19:42.600there's something and this is really what he was getting out of this book too he makes a couple
03:19:46.800comments in the book where he says uh that the communist revolution grafted so easily onto jewish
03:19:54.060identity and the jewish belief to you know they'll kind of wallpaper over and say oh we believe in
03:19:59.240it says in the talmud to help your fellow man and shit that's what communism is i do think it is
03:20:03.880deeper than that i think it is also a strong critique on religion and it's a strong it's a
03:20:10.460critique on everything it's a critique on the entire system itself and that's what appealed
03:20:15.020so much to these jewish intellectuals and if if people disagree with that then you'll have to
03:20:20.220fucking tell me why there's so many of them in these revolutionary movements you know what i
03:20:24.820mean like you can't say it doesn't exist and the funny thing is that when you see these jewish
03:20:29.640writers talk about they'll admit to it because they have if they're being honest about history
03:20:34.160but then the question is well why do you care well why does it matter i'm like okay well we agree
03:20:39.620it's true but i'm still the bad guy for thinking it's significant i guess and that's where most
03:20:44.320people end up when they read these books i'm like well this seems important it seems relevant it
03:20:49.520kind of seems relevant still because we still have these exact same back to the adl thing at the at
03:20:55.920the start of this we have the exact same groups in existence doing the exact same things and this
03:21:02.340is sort of the the the dodge that they're going to do right now by saying oh the adl these these
03:21:07.580these jewish orgs have just been corrupted by the woke mind virus no you can't believe that
03:21:12.820it's the exact same shit and they're functioning just as they did back then which is just to
03:21:17.960subvert and again this is turning into like another fucking rant oh but i mean like there's
03:21:22.780the the book gets it so much of that though like it's still like this is a history that goes up
03:21:29.020into like the 19 like at the end of the at the beginning of the 1990s is when this book ends
03:21:33.380and he sort of you know makes some prognostications on the future but it's just like
03:21:37.680it's frustrating because you know it's the same issue that a lot of people that i think have
03:21:44.540pioneered sort of these questions and the studies and these um just sort of political understandings
03:21:50.260of the world and how it works is that like you know they'll say oh it's the woke mind virus in
03:21:55.060the same way that people say rootless cosmopolitans or when you start talking about like warmongering
03:22:00.080or neocons like the adl be like that's an anti-semitic trope and it's like well why you
03:22:04.700know why and you know and like and so they'll say like oh and you've noticed that too with like a
03:22:11.460lot of mainstream sort of conservatives that hopped on this train for like five seconds or
03:22:15.380they were like well you know the the adl's like a good organization it's just too far left and i'm
03:22:20.700like no it's kind of been like this since the beginning and but we can't admit that because
03:22:26.380that fundamentally gets at the the awkward well are you a nazi question like you know you don't
03:22:32.160want to be like hitler do you and like the the the left is fundamentally not even the left but
03:22:36.700sort of like the entire mainstream post-war liberal order replaced satan replaced the actual
03:22:42.540devil the actual enemy for a dead austrian guy who may or may not have died in a bunker died
03:22:48.740in argentina you be the judge but like the guy died he's dead but we are so hot and again go
03:22:54.720back to that post-modernism stuff there's a hauntology there's a specter of hitler that
03:22:59.900rules over the post-war like political conservative and progressive lens that no one you know even if
03:23:07.480you wanted to be an authoritarian they're going to call you that anyway they called george w bush
03:23:12.040Hitler, they call John McCain Hitler, they call Mitt Romney Hitler, they call Trump Hitler,
03:23:16.540they call Putin Hitler, like, it doesn't matter. In the Western liberal progressive mindset, like,
03:23:22.460you know, behind every progressive is an esoteric Hitlerist, you know?
03:23:26.360Yeah, what's interesting is that a lot of people will say that the foundation,
03:23:31.380the founding mythology of modern America is the Holocaust. But there's an interesting
03:23:35.400thing you touched on right there about how often Hitler is brought up, because in some sense,
03:23:41.260he is the face and the embodiment of anti-semitism but in another way he's the face and embodiment
03:23:46.240of authoritarianism writ large and in a lot of ways that's why he's brought up so much
03:23:51.400and by doing that you permanently tether authoritarianism to anti-semitism in the
03:23:57.420minds of people and that's kind of what they were getting at with the psychoanalyzation of it after
03:24:02.000world war ii they're like we need to target guys who are into authority into hierarchies
03:24:07.640into tradition because within that's where you get an adorno in the f scale yeah within all of
03:24:13.940that lurks hitler that's what they're selling you right now and a lot of people believe and
03:24:18.000you had mentioned the neocons all that like look let's talk about leo strauss let's talk about how
03:24:22.720often these movements are and we covered this on our show a while ago about the the development of
03:24:29.040neoconservatism in america with the hands of leo strauss it's like even the the foundations of
03:24:35.000neoconservatism cannot be divorced from his zionism and his his phylo-semitism like
03:24:42.380well even even the most one of the more famous neocons too max boot had said and this is i'm
03:24:48.880quoting uh patrick buchanan's where the right went wrong published in 2004 because he's shitting on
03:24:53.220he walks that fine line i'm not wanting to be called an anti-semite either but i mean like
03:24:56.580he does the whole like look i'm just quoting max boot here when he says that neoconservatism is
03:25:03.400primarily a foreign policy-based movement you know the local domestic stuff be damned like
03:25:08.300zionism is what matters and he's just like there there you have it folks like but to have that
03:25:14.920conversation gets gets you called a bigot yeah and there are far there are far there are pioneers
03:25:19.860of this long before i was even born yeah ask them what their foreign policy is and we'll give you a
03:25:26.020two-hour dissertation on the importance of israel ask them their economic policies and it's going
03:25:30.160to be uh stop being poor lol yeah you know sir my bootstraps are so long i can hang myself with
03:25:37.260them well you know as long as your will goes to you know the ipac i guess we're fine you know
03:51:50.420They're saying it's in their blood to like start start shit to move in and say, like, you know, this this isn't a revolution enough, you know.
03:52:00.040Yeah, absolutely. And because like I said, even in these chapters are talking right now, like the the there was a protest involving sharecroppers in the south and it was white and black sharecroppers working side by side.
03:52:13.140It was it was concerning wages. It was just a labor movement. It was just a labor uprising.
03:52:18.280and then the southern invasion got there and said no we need it's better for black people to be the
03:52:23.500face of this it's that it's bad optically for lower class blacks and whites to be united on
03:52:29.400this whoa whoa optics cooking yeah exactly it's like no and this is where like you get the creeping
03:52:36.080third worldism this is where you get to like we want the face of this revolution to be non-white
03:52:41.440and and that's a very specific request that they have and and this goes right into the third
03:52:47.180worldism of you know soviet intelligentsia this goes right into like the entire leftist progressive
03:52:53.200movement of like can we put a black or brown face on this because we want to align them completely
03:52:59.240with anti-capitalism or whatever the their secret goal is you know yeah absolutely and i think that
03:53:06.180um it's kind of funny because again it goes back to the hauntology thing like in the 19 or
03:53:12.800it's in 63, King's in, I don't know, later on in 64, I think it says, yeah, King was in St. Augustine,
03:53:19.940Florida, challenging the city's segregated public accommodations. He met fierce opposition,
03:53:24.300and knowing the rabbinic conference was in session, sent a telegram asking for support.
03:53:28.360Within hours, 16 rabbis and a member of their conference staff, Albert Verspan, was on their
03:53:33.680way to St. Augustine. On their arrival, they received a briefing from King and attended
03:53:37.880services in a crowded black church. Leaving the church, the rabbis walked through the gauntlet of
03:53:42.380menacing state troopers who, quote unquote, protected them from a menacing mob. In violation
03:53:46.620of St. Augustine's laws, Forspan and one of the rabbis sat down in a local restaurant with two
03:53:50.540blacks. Ordered to leave, they refused and were immediately arrested and placed in this cell
03:53:54.360with other demonstrating rabbis from other parts of the country. They were jailed for two days
03:53:59.140before being freed on bail. Before leaving St. Augustine, emulating King's own famous letter
03:54:04.320from Birmingham jail issued to their own, asking for forgiveness for not having acted sooner,
03:54:09.660inciting silence as the great unpardonable sin of the time they came they said in hope that god
03:54:15.860would accept their small involvement as a partial atonement for many things they could have done
03:54:20.440before mindful of the millions who stood quietly by and watched the smoke rise from hitler's
03:54:25.480crematoriums i got a few other things those rabbis could apologize for
03:54:29.940so yeah chapter nine goes into after the more or less the civil rights movement happens
03:54:37.560and achieves a significant political victory um with the civil rights act of 1964
03:54:43.300and after that what gets really complex of course is the fight of well there's still a shitload of
03:54:52.660communists and there's still a shitload of uh marxists and you know party movements but also
03:54:59.260at the same time there's a lot of black militants so it's just like no one's no one knows what to
03:55:05.660do with this and they don't they it's getting really hard for them to work with you know this
03:55:13.260more two very ethnocentric organizations one that wants to be in charge to quote unquote destroy the
03:55:19.440hierarchies that have oppressed them and then the others that want to do their own shit and that
03:55:23.460means excluding the the jewish support that they perceived yeah and this is where andrew young as
03:55:29.880for example mlk's influence and this is where you see jesse jackson emerge that's a name that
03:55:35.160It doesn't get brought up that much anymore.
03:55:37.920But Jesse Jackson was a staunch third worldist, staunch, you know, global exporting of the struggle.
03:55:45.640And this is where, like, you see these names that are still popular now and you forget how radical they were and are to this day.
03:55:54.600And this to me is like the final fracturing of it.
03:55:57.400And like we talked before, like this is like this is black people finally getting their self-determinism and realizing, like, do we really need Jewish people?
03:56:06.640Like what do because they never really had anything in common.
03:56:10.640And you have these these these agitators coming in and saying, you know, they're and this is I think there was a line in a previous chapter.
03:56:18.660And maybe we'll get to this in a second about schools.
03:56:21.220And they're openly claiming that Jewish people are polluting the minds of black children, you know.
03:56:27.400like this is where you start to see that real anti-semitism come from the black community
03:56:31.760yeah i mean uh but it's also kind of and we talked about this in the last time we talked
03:56:37.140about this book is that there is a well sort of established um like they have their own form of
03:56:44.780anti-semitism whether for you know market related reasons or their own black syncretic form of
03:56:51.100christianity like it's been there now it's like well well well you've got a little too much
03:56:56.260influence on this movement that's supposed to help me, how else are you affecting me and my
03:57:01.120children and my people? And you see this a lot with like black youth groups, especially the
03:57:07.600student nonviolent coordinating committee, you know, they, they're one of the bigger Southern
03:57:13.780protest movements. And, you know, they were all like, you know, a lot of Jewish liberals were
03:57:20.240happy with it, but they also a lot of, they financed a lot of it, but also at the same time,
03:57:25.580It had quite a bit of militancy to it. They were very much uncompromising. And in doing so, they were raising a lot of suspicion from other black and other, you know, moderate groups. And so when, you know, some blacks did manage to take control of it, whether that be Robert Moses, Stokely Carmichael, you know, they were, they were influenced by these guys, but they also wanted their own shit.
03:57:50.880and they wanted to make sure that that could be the case but instead you know you got individuals
03:57:57.080like um who was it like james foreman and others that are like whoa we're not going to be able to
03:58:03.000really get along here anymore are we that sudden realization that the fault line like we're getting
03:58:09.180very close to it totally cracking apart exactly and uh you know what's interesting is that
03:58:17.120i mentioned this book a lot recently but i was reading this book called the square in the tower
03:58:22.220it's about uh the power of social networking movements throughout time and decentralized
03:58:28.480secret societies and things and uh the influence that these have on intellectual movements and
03:58:34.120even revolutions and whatnot and there's this interesting idea that you know we're obsessed
03:58:39.980with these groups existing and then we see that he gave the example of the illuminati he's like
03:58:45.440The Illuminati was a group that actually existed, and they were pretty big for the time, but then they only existed for a brief window of time, then they stopped existing, and to say that they still exist is a silly conspiracy theory.
03:58:59.440But it seems obvious that what happens with these groups is that they oftentimes flare up in times, and by the time they collapse, they just scatter individuals to the wind, and that makes them more socially relevant.
03:59:15.440Which is to say that I think in our society, we have this idea that there are these like, once a group falls or collapses, that's the end of it. And to me, that is merely its second act. So a lot of the, like it says in here, when you read about the SNCC, it's like it disbanded in the 1970s. And people would say, oh, so this radical group, it was there and then it ended and that was the end of it.
03:59:38.620It's like, no, that just meant that it kind of reverberated through the rest of society and those people who were parts of it just infiltrated other groups and the radicalization almost spreads more.
03:59:50.780It's like a like a what would be like a corpse finally exploding and spreading its gases everywhere.
03:59:55.840Right. Like it's way more toxic once these these these groups stop containing the individuals and they fly out.
04:00:02.660So anyway, as I was just saying, like the SNCC people say, oh, that was like, it was kind of crazy in the 70s when we had these groups like, yeah, they, those specific groups don't exist anymore, but it pollinated everything around it. And I think that's the way I look at a lot of these groups in the 70s.
04:00:18.500yeah and i mean this goes back to i mean this hits its peak of course after
04:00:24.080the civil rights act passes and you get the question of who's going to be president in 1968
04:00:30.320and um you know 68 of course there's the you know the the big fight over the democratic ticket
04:00:39.200the the issue of race is still going on we have to understand that like they still rioted and
04:00:44.280burnt down cities after the civil rights act was passed like you know appeasement did not you
04:00:51.100weren't going to get your kumbaya after this law was passed um you know you just got them more
04:00:56.300energy and from there you know you have to find a way to get these quote-unquote freedom democrats
04:01:05.780a seat at the table and how they can vote and make sure that they can you know stand their ground and
04:01:11.820have more political voice for black enfranchisement because they want to have a say in these things.
04:01:17.080And so, you know, the Democratic Party, of course, had its issues in 68. And then, of course,
04:01:24.260this playing into the huge role even prior to that, 1964, about what happened in Atlantic City.
04:01:30.100You know, Cleveland Sellers is one of those, you know, other student nonviolent guys. He had said
04:01:36.320that Atlantic City was a struggle not for civil rights, but for liberation. The National Democratic
04:01:40.180party's rejection of the mfdp at the 1964 convention was the civil rights movement what
04:01:47.300the civil war was to american history an event after which things would never be the same from
04:01:51.660then on the civil rights movement the term white liberal used previously as a neutral or even
04:01:56.360praiseworthy description of a person's politics became an epithet it's kind of funny because that
04:02:00.800white liberal was also directed towards jews
04:02:03.460yeah um around this time too maybe i have my dates mixed up but i wanted to mention one other group
04:02:12.600which is called the jewish defense league i think it comes up around this time too but in terms of
04:02:18.920jewish radical groups they actually coined the term never again um and they're they're highly
04:02:25.140militant and they advocated for direct violence so this is a group of jews who were like and by
04:02:31.300never again of course they're referring to the holocaust yeah they're founded in 1968 i wanted
04:02:37.740to just bring that up because i found it so interesting that you know that phrase is still
04:02:41.460with us and this is kind of what i was just talking about that even though you know the
04:02:45.180jewish defense league might exist in a different form like you still carry their extremist slogan
04:02:50.240and people still people still say that people still say never again and i think the the violence
04:02:56.540that that implies is still there people just kind of accept it now yeah and i mean um you know the
04:03:05.460they consider the movement to be quote-unquote over but i mean that sort of uh militant aspect
04:03:15.480of it is still there and i mean like congressman or then congressman daryl i don't know if he's
04:03:22.000still in congress anymore but uh daryl isa um oh he is actually in congress i stand corrected
04:03:28.220um or he was um but uh he is one of the wealthiest serving members of congress as of this year look
04:03:37.100at that what are the odds anyway um they tried to kill him in 2001 jesus and i don't anyone
04:03:45.240remember that you know does anyone talk about that shit um but yeah they did coin the phrase
04:03:49.820uh never again and um it's kind of interesting one thing that that marks this sort of this split
04:03:58.700between the blacks and jews because we are really seeing the split that has not been
04:04:03.940recovered from since then but i see a lot of apologia occurring around this time um and
04:04:10.680there's one phrase i know it's from chapter 10 i've got it here it says both blacks renting
04:04:16.680ratty tenements and the jews who owned them were prisoners of history so it was like trying to
04:04:23.280there's this like retroactive rewriting of the relationship between jews and blacks and there's
04:04:28.380this i'm jumping ahead a bit here but there's connected to that is this study he mentions in
04:04:33.020the book i think is very interesting uh done by gary t marks this is from page 272 uh a study
04:04:39.740on black anti-semitism because they're trying to figure out why all these blacks are anti-semitic
04:04:43.940uh the study was called protest and prejudice um and the entire purpose of the study was saying
04:04:50.520that blacks are only anti-semitic because of their economic interactions which is understandable
04:04:56.140compared to white anti-semitism so something that occurs around this time i know that was
04:05:03.100kind of jumping ahead of it but i just wanted to say that you start seeing a bifurcation of
04:05:07.100types of anti-semitism and i think you see that to this day like if you look like black culture
04:05:12.960as highly anti-Semitic and Jews seem okay with that.
04:05:17.440And I think there's two things going on there.
04:23:43.140it's like elon musk saying like well turns out the biggest source of anti-semitism is the adl
04:23:47.760yeah like this is what i keep coming back to this is why i'm so happy we opened with the adl and
04:23:53.260keep returning to it like this is it's existed essentially unchanged and it's just no people
04:23:58.820will remark on it intermittently but for some reason no one's really treated it as the subversive
04:24:04.900organization that it is maybe up until right now like we'll see how this goes i'm not optimistic
04:24:11.760for that by the way yeah i mean because right now it can still fall back on legacy it's like
04:24:17.380oh look how old we are we we must be important right you know um because i mean like the whole
04:24:24.240the whole move and like i get it right i understand why it was done you want to expose an organization
04:24:30.400like like this book kind of indicates like the the creation of this sort of um ethnic alliance
04:24:37.840that high low versus middle stuff against mainly wasps and other um you know ellis island or
04:24:44.240european immigrants but like you want to ban it off twitter it's like if you wanted to destroy it
04:24:52.400which i know because i mean like elon musk isn't going to be doing that you know i don't think he
04:24:57.040is but you i mean like the the adl like we said at the beginning like the leo frank stuff's not
04:25:03.860the way you go about this you point it out saying the questions that elon musk is raising about why
04:25:10.220does antisemitism seem to like always be on the rise? Or why do they invent antisemitism when it
04:25:15.500comes to the ADL? It's like, hey, like, you know, James Kilpatrick asked that question in 1958. And
04:25:21.280there wasn't a really good answer to it. And the worst part is, he said it at a time where people
04:25:27.340were more comfortable with you asking those questions. And that's what's kind of disheartening
04:25:32.240about our current situation, which is that you could get away with speaking more openly about
04:25:37.340this stuff back then so they've essentially remained the same we can just say less because
04:25:41.960they've effectively won they've effectively gotten everything that they wanted the they are the
04:25:46.940police they have they wield this power we'll see if musk that the richest man in america can you
04:25:53.440know combat them but it seems that one of the most powerful and influential men in america
04:25:58.180can only kind of throw a few rocks at them you know yeah uh but we'll see but i i always say
04:26:06.520Like, you know, I don't want to get too mask off in these moments, but, you know, a good bit of kryptonite for these sorts of organizations and their defenders to really reveal their true intention would be to say, what are your feelings on the slogan?
04:26:23.920It's OK to be white. Do you see that as tolerable?
04:26:28.320oftentimes they'll say no and then why like why why does the anti-defamation league have such a
04:26:34.320strong position against it's okay to be white now i'm saying stuff that everyone kind of knows but
04:26:39.060it's like that that's a very simple thing as this this this movement is going on like get at them
04:26:46.420on twitter get that get at them in public like you know i'm telling stuff people they'll probably
04:26:50.900already know but that to me is the next thing because that really is what the anti-defamation
04:26:55.320League is, which is a lot of these groups are, which is it's not so much defending itself as it
04:27:00.380is critiquing and attacking and subverting things they think are threats. And what they think is a
04:27:06.440threat is the entire American apparatus as it was at the time. And they gave birth effectively
04:27:13.580to the America we have now. And I'm not trying to make a lot of people go a bit too far on our side
04:27:19.380and say, this is why America should be destroyed. I'm not that cynical. And as someone who is out
04:27:25.240side of america i i don't it would be easy for me to say yeah fuck america but i'm like i think
04:27:30.640that's wrong i think it's incorrect um and i think it's kind of a silly position to have and i i don't
04:27:36.720think that like america is effect is dead or anything or frankly i don't think it can be
04:27:41.740killed you know i don't think i think there's everyone's like looking at their watch waiting
04:27:45.780for america to fall i'm like keep waiting i guess but that's not going to happen anytime soon
04:27:50.160yeah and i mean it's kind of funny because this is my like political discourse in the south
04:27:54.560And I'll make this circle back to you in just a minute. But, you know, he said, political discourse in the South was unnerving for its Jewish population. Two Mississippians, Senator Theodore J. Bilbo and Representative John E. Rankin, filled the halls of Congress with their anti-Semitic tirades.
04:28:12.580In their lexicon, Jew was synonymous with communist, and they often attacked Jews as subversive allies of the Negro. Rankin, who once described the Fair Employment Practices Commission as a product of alien influences directed by a foreign common term that was based upon a hatred for Christianity, actually introduced legislation to outlaw the ADL but got nowhere with it.
04:28:32.940both he and bilbo it should be pointed out distinguished between good southern jews who
04:28:37.360backed white supremacy and new york jews who supported the naacp um and it kind of just goes
04:28:43.080back to that like again i i have a more discerning instance because i do think that there there's way
04:28:50.380more nuance and we talked about this in the last time we talked about this book there's a way more
04:28:53.900nuance between like ellis islander jewish groups that you know or the more 20th century groups and
04:29:01.440Jews that have been here a long time since like the beginning of the country like Sephardics and
04:29:04.920others but like you know why is it that rootless cosmopolitans or anti-christian or anti-white
04:29:12.760like all these other people like what you call why do people call that anti-semitic when you
04:29:16.720point it out and it's like you know because there is such an overlap almost near congruence with
04:29:21.660these groups and these ideas and I don't know all the e-drama behind people and whatnot I'm not as
04:29:28.300involved in these circles as other colleagues that i may have or i know or have i associated
04:29:34.340with or streamed with but like i do like the the the anti-white label because i mean i feel like
04:29:42.480whoever workshopped that like jason and them with the no white guilt stuff like i don't know what
04:29:47.640people's opinions are of them or whatever i've met the guy irl he's a nice dude a smart guy
04:29:52.820like whatever workshopping you did to just call them like hey they're just anti-white and they
04:29:57.480hate whiteness and or not whiteness but they hate white people and they want to white erasure like
04:30:02.540that's really good workshopping and for once that's a weapon that i can rhetorically deploy
04:30:07.780that i'm now seeing like normie people use on a regular basis and and let me just say i'm not
04:30:14.160sure if it was jason cohen i know he'd floated a couple other ideas like i've heard anti-white
04:30:20.220percolating in the scene for like quite some time i remember hearing about it it is the most
04:30:25.080effective rhetorical salvo I think that exists because for people who don't know my background
04:30:30.880is in marketing and advertising and what works about it is that it's immediately understandable
04:30:37.860and where we get into trouble with our arguments is that oftentimes it requires us to explain what
04:30:45.240we're talking about we like coming up with new terms for things and that that works against us
04:30:50.100but you can go to a normie and say something's anti-white and the funny thing is they know
04:30:54.460exactly what you mean by white because in our scene on the dissonant right you know we're very
04:30:58.980in history into biology into demographics we kind of debate about what's white who's white what
04:31:05.140groups are in them but you know who doesn't do that is the rest of the world the rest of planet
04:31:11.800earth actually has a pretty good idea of what white means the only people who debate about it
04:31:15.660are white people so once you start from that position anti-white everyone kind of knows what
04:31:21.200it means vaguely european uh they don't really give a shit whether portugal is involved in that
04:31:26.220but you have an idea relatively pale skin you know like that northern that's almost like the
04:31:32.060circle that everyone likes to meme on and what's christopher sandbatch and ben franklin say like
04:31:36.420oh this is what white is but like northern nordic you know european or people like to say that the
04:31:42.120you know r1b gang you know like that european northern european haplogroup like everyone kind
04:31:49.360it knows you know it goes back to like i'm gonna here's a reference to like that old murdoch murdoch
04:31:54.660episode like talking about sargon or whatever it's just like um define a puddle you know like
04:31:59.920you know what a puddle is like it doesn't like you know what white is you know everyone knows
04:32:04.440and that the fact that most people know what anti-white means me it implies that they know
04:32:08.780what white means and the issue being brought to the table here is that a lot of these jewish
04:32:14.640groups they don't like whiteness they wouldn't say that but when you present them with pro-whiteness
04:32:20.440they react with hostility towards it and that's relevant and maybe that's a bit too forward for
04:32:27.600people but it is what is that's what these groups are that's what the anti-defamation league is
04:32:32.020remember and i come back to what we said at the start my reading of the leo frank case
04:32:36.640isn't that they invested so much money and created a whole fucking league just because
04:32:41.840they cared about justice is that they saw blacks and whites uniting against this jewish employer
04:32:47.420and that really really really bothered them and i think something there's something that they hate
04:32:53.500seeing black and white people unite over anything and in every instance it seemed that they got
04:32:58.840their fucking mitts in there and separated them because they just don't want white people involved
04:33:04.100in any way in these sort of revolutions because they need them as the bad guys and like i was
04:33:08.900mentioning with uh ben shapiro's book seems strange of them citing him but it's got good
04:33:13.580primary sources by them saying like what we want to do is we need more white people as villains
04:33:18.260we need more of the status quo demonized and that that's at the forefront that's been happening for
04:33:25.080decades and it is what it is and that's why i think giving it a name like anti-white is probably
04:33:31.420the most effective thing you can do and you can introduce that to your fucking parents your
04:33:36.820friends you can probably people say that at work now i'm like that's good that's momentum we can do
04:33:42.360something with that and that's why i think even the adl thing i'm like if you maybe you start
04:33:47.180pinning anti-whiteness on them that's i don't think that's really been done this effectively
04:33:53.780before maybe maybe i'm too optimistic but that would require everyone to do it that would require
04:33:59.500everyone to who listens to this that would require a lot of people to stop um excuse me
04:34:06.420to stop a shark wooming or to uh just quit shooting at each other yeah it's like this
04:34:14.520should be an easy win for us like this should be like even people who don't make the jews their
04:34:20.260main thing like there's loads of people on our side that don't feel terribly passionately about
04:34:24.580this i have other things i'm interested in i'm not even one that does a lot of it either i mean
04:34:29.440if i because i think it's a little more multifaceted than just them yeah but the adl
04:34:34.680made so many fucking enemies this should be easy like everybody hates the adl it really should be
04:34:41.120but the the question becomes is like and again there'll be people that'll be like oh it's got
04:34:45.200the woke mind virus or whatever and i was like so was wokeness around in like the 1960s when all
04:34:50.960this stuff was happening like what what is your that's why i hate the word wokeness like i you
04:34:55.640know to me it's just like if i hear the word woke i have a definition for it like it's it's a
04:34:59.780systematizing and homogenizing form of leftist managerialism that still is a shitty long-winded
04:35:05.140definition but to me that's how i see it play out but like you need a better word for it that's why
04:35:09.480i think anti-white's just better like why is it that all these wokies hate white people and hate
04:35:14.020european and want to rewrite every single great european story and novel with some like mystery
04:35:20.400person that hates the original ip yeah and they're and they're doing it because they know it upsets
04:35:26.460you that's it like they get they get off on the idea that there's white guys out here that are
04:35:32.000getting owned by this that's why they make every squad leader in starfield like a brown bitch with
04:35:38.440like short hair it's like do you like this character or do you like white guys getting
04:35:43.120pissed off at it you know and that's we kind of internalize that that's what's going on
04:35:49.100gamer gate it's eternal gamer gate yeah it's it all goes back to gamer gate focus your energy
04:35:57.320there we can end it here but um maybe we'll wrap it up here uh in a little bit but like
04:36:02.780the last thing that i did kind of notice and maybe maybe we'll spend a separate time because
04:36:09.080i do want to talk about the andrew young thing because the whole like zionism aspect foreign
04:36:13.580policy deserves it because i i want to talk about it and have you read by chance i'm totally planning
04:36:19.360something else now in the back of my head here but have you ever read by chance the israel lobby
04:36:22.500by steven wolt and john meersheimer uh no i read meersheimer recently but i didn't read that one
04:36:28.820it came out in 2007 and if you want to cover it i can i'll read that if you want to do so yeah
04:36:35.220yeah because i want to also cover it with um steven carson radler but i'm thinking out loud
04:36:40.540that's we can talk about this later after the show but i do want to get into that because it
04:36:44.480kind of overlays with this with the whole andrew young affair but in the 70s and 80s with like the
04:36:49.880the bach case in 1976 and the issue of you know the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment
04:36:59.300ordered the university to admit bach the the uc davis system was outlawed um you know flexibly
04:37:05.020admissible college pro or college admission programs the flexibility that he used race as
04:37:10.120a factor weighing in on the qualifications of applicants. That also happened. But throughout
04:37:14.120the history of sort of like the Black-Jewish relationship, Blacks were vehemently pro-quotas.
04:37:20.080They wanted their guys in college, whether or not they were qualified or not. And we already
04:37:23.740kind of know the story of the competency crisis and affirmative action. But, you know, to quote
04:37:29.320Friedman here, it was not just the Jews, of course, who feared quotas. Many of America's
04:37:33.520working class whites who formed the base of Nixon and later Ronald Reagan support were similarly
04:37:37.360alarmed however jews seem to be the most vocal opponents of racial preferences in the process
04:37:42.100they position themselves against blacks and black organizations with whom they have been working
04:37:46.160with so many years and this goes back to the epilogue of the book where even friedman's like
04:37:51.920listen as america's demographics change which it's kind of weird that the adl keeps track of how many
04:37:56.380non-hispanic white people live in this country but i'm reminded of the tablet magazine that jacob
04:38:03.500savage wrote called the vanishing the erasure of jews from american life and it was just kind of
04:38:10.740funny to like the the kyle ellingson you know image i'm going to share it on screen because
04:38:16.640this is just kind of too good to not uh put up like you know this the vanishing um asians and
04:38:23.180jews in america so now you've got the asian and jewish relationship coming in in some issues here
04:38:27.940about quotas and whatnot and how wokeness is affecting things but huh
04:38:32.900huh huh huh huh interesting uh it's a little too good to a little a little a little on the nose
04:38:47.060there but you know suddenly everywhere you look they're disappearing a slow moving pressure system
04:38:53.500of anxiety exclusion of downward mobility maybe you first notice it in your workplace or maybe
04:38:57.500get hit when your children applied to college or graduate school could have been something as
04:39:01.040simple as opening up a netflix splash page it's a get it's gauche to count but you can't help it
04:39:05.680yourself in academia hollywood washington even in new york city anywhere where american jews
04:39:09.860once made their market influences in steep decline yeah i always say me my wife when i
04:39:14.080open up netflix to say there's not enough jewish shit on here it's like the it's like the uh the
04:39:22.540the guy with like the bell you know every time that you see a historical inaccuracy and it's
04:39:26.520like fucking nogs and he's like ringing the bell repeatedly it's just like there's he's like oh
04:39:31.100there's not enough jews in my netflix like huh that's really weird does anyone notice that there
04:39:36.420was none of jewish people in hollywood what what an audacious thing to say i know what a what a
04:39:43.220bold claim but uh you know he says you know for for many of us the instinct is to look inward we
04:39:48.100blame intermarriage assimilation and the loss of immigrant work ethic this of course is a cope
04:39:52.280because the significant cause of the decline isn't themselves but that of america but that
04:39:56.440american liberalism our civic religion has turned on us
04:40:00.500good to know that that's the religion of of of of these people oh so i i just want to call
04:40:09.860people's attention i might be bearing the lead here but the implication that jews are known for
04:40:14.580their work ethic i mean this is a fuck this is ridiculous the immigrant work ethic the only work
04:40:22.120ethic that sticks out to me is the protestant work ethic but okay yeah yeah that i always hear
04:40:27.520you can't even say the word protestant without work ethic auto-completing after
04:40:32.000i'm now opening up a new tab to write that protestant
04:40:36.840well that's the second thing the first thing is the reformation the next thing is work ethic
04:40:41.760but yeah absolutely um but yeah it's america's elite institutions similar downward trends
04:40:48.120um museum boards now diversify by getting them to again it's that schrodinger's thing here because
04:40:54.660if you didn't call yourself white and you just said i'm jewish you probably wouldn't have this
04:40:58.860issue that's just me that's just me um you know today's jews watch with solomonic amusement
04:41:06.120as students for fair admissions v harvard is argued before the supreme court um which students
04:41:10.760for fair admissions won this is before the the supreme court ruled on it on some level we
04:41:15.000sympathize with our asian american plaintiffs who are suing harvard for using admissions criteria
04:41:18.980that discriminate against some of the basis of the race maybe they really are the new jews facing
04:41:22.960the same barriers insidious racism personality scores rural geographic preferences that we once
04:41:27.940did on the other hand fancying ourselves to be the high caste members of a beneficial elite
04:41:32.640we pretend not to notice that diversity equity and inclusion is a cultural use to us too us too
04:56:39.320They're still going at workers and things like that.
04:56:41.780I think on our side, on the distant right,
04:56:44.760There's the best chance of a synthesis of these things we know to be true and the new information and the new paradigms and the new historical circumstances that are presented to us that are completely unprecedented, that our ancestors never had to deal with.
04:57:01.580Because remember, if your ancestors were deposited in this current period, they would blow their fucking brains out.
04:57:09.000But there will be a new type of ideology that emerges.
04:57:13.000And that's not to say that the ideology will be the be all and end all, but that will be almost a barometer that like we're clicking into a new historical paradigm.
04:57:22.220But right now it feels tense. It feels like something's about to happen. There are things happening like the ADLs being like old things are being destroyed when they haven't been destroyed before.
04:57:33.660it i think it can be exciting if people let it but also keep your mind open and realize that
04:57:39.360whatever new paradigm emerges it will not really be like that it will be like the the industrial
04:57:47.460revolution how that changed fucking everything because you know anyway i'm often a bit of a
04:57:52.240no i think there's a lot of truth to that and there's like that's why i've been reading a lot
04:57:57.340more marshall mcluhan lately because like i think yeah he got it i think in a lot of ways like
04:58:03.160the typographic man thesis you know the the medium is the message but the medium is also
04:58:08.420the massage how it changes how you think like i know people who think in tweets you know like we
04:58:13.740were just joking about that earlier you know oh that's a great you know send tweet you know it's
04:58:16.820fucking funny um and like that affects us and i think that's going to be a big part of any sort
04:58:21.520of ideology or political formula going forward is that acknowledges the schizophrenic experience
04:58:27.780that we live in which is why i think yeah you know the post-modern concepts of like the the
04:58:32.700the delusian concept of schizophrenia is going to be a part of whatever political ideology that
04:58:37.220does somehow manage to succeed or grow out of this yep you got it and i think that's something
04:58:42.080when people hear someone like nick land even if you don't agree with his entire corpus of work
04:58:48.880like he's picking he's on the right track there's a lot of guys who are on the right track it's just
04:58:54.700when they when people try and wrap their heads around the future it'll make you go insane but
04:59:01.000as long as we keep trying to process it and and try and figure out like the work there's new
04:59:06.440questions that we need to answer anyway we could spend an entire new episode on this but well maybe
04:59:10.440we should because the this will be my last thought and not maybe i'll wrap it up here is is that
04:59:15.460i i think about that a lot and that i also see people in america and this is maybe a critique
04:59:23.280of the sora bimari adrian formula common good my heckin catholicism thing is is that all that i get
04:59:30.400from those guys is new deal me harder daddy like you know like because he had said in responding
04:59:38.100to a critique of his book from the economist he's like he's a conservative but his policies aren't
04:59:41.320too different from that of bernie sanders and elizabeth warren he just tweeted saying hell
04:59:45.720yes and it's like what the what the fuck is this you know like and even and then someone said well
04:59:53.040you know don't be so critical because you sound like a right liberal criticizing this is marxism
04:59:59.060and i'm like he kind of calls himself one like even though it's tridentine catholicism or whatever
05:00:04.380but like it's this weird we're in a we're in a we're in a space where we live in the ashes of
05:00:11.480the 20th century murray rothbard failed we did not repeal it we're in the ashes of it and i guess
05:00:19.700like you know this this whole book is a really good explanation of how we got to here um it's
05:00:26.140not the end-all be-all explanation i don't view them i don't view like jewish interests or jewish
05:00:31.960groups like this is like the the most powerful things in like the western world i think it's
05:00:37.120a little more complex than just them but i i just don't know how i i haven't figured out how we're
05:00:44.120going to advance or or get past it um yeah that'll be a conversation for all the time but before we
05:00:50.600wrap up here dimes where the hell can people find you and your excellent show with your
05:00:56.040non-alter ego potentially real person judas fan favorite judas i would tell people check out
05:01:03.360bloodsatellite.ca that's where you can find easy access to all of our stuff because we're on odyssey
05:01:09.340we're just getting our youtube back up because i got banned but we're going up there
05:01:12.800we're getting the live streaming right now too so bloodsatellite.ca i'm on twitter
05:01:17.540at legally ironic um and that just to keep it simple let's just do those two you can get
05:01:23.700everything through the main website all right well we'll be sure to go find you guys there
05:01:28.820um your work's fantastic i like you both your book reviews are entertaining your editing work
05:01:34.180is outstanding when you can do your solo interviews but um yes this has been the second
05:01:40.200i don't think we'll cover it well maybe we'll do a third one with like the andrew young affair maybe
05:01:44.340maybe not but yeah yeah this was uh what went wrong the creation the collapse of the black