Blood Satellite - Wordpotatoes Know About Steve Buscemi From the Backrooms [“chatting up with sushi sticks”]

00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be

00:00:07.760 blood satellite did you see the image that i sent through i did i saw it in the chat earlier and this

00:00:23.600 is a this is a real doozy i love this one i love this image i love it because i was reading it

00:00:28.060 wrong the first time see okay just to describe what we're looking at here uh the title is the

00:00:35.180 temperance program this is like a comic i guess pulled from a newspaper um and it's it's a woman

00:00:42.280 standing at the top of a staircase outside of her house holding her son's hand and her son looks to

00:00:48.320 be 12 um and it's like the home of an indulgent mother and the steps go are from the bottom up

00:00:57.920 or liquor and strong drink that's one step the next one from that is cards dice and pool then

00:01:04.440 it's sodas pop and ginger ale and tea coffee and cocoa reading it backwards this is how i started

00:01:11.180 reading it because i started reading it where it says it starts with liquor and strong drink

00:01:17.340 and this just sounds like the start of a good

00:01:19.860 night

00:01:20.260 because it works

00:01:27.820 its way up to Mexicanized

00:01:29.900 dishes and pepper sauces

00:01:31.240 and plenty of pickles and pork

00:01:33.800 and at the

00:01:35.920 very bottom is a drunkard's

00:01:38.200 grave

00:01:38.720 but I guess what they're implying is

00:01:41.940 what's the one at the top here

00:01:43.240 piecing, peeing

00:01:45.780 between meals peeing peeing between meals you can't pee between meals that's the top one so

00:01:52.820 that's the thing that's like most acceptable but if you do it too often you start on the path

00:01:57.280 towards a drunkard's grave is peeing between meals that's what an indulgent mother would permit

00:02:02.360 and then the second step the second step is not only the longest phrase but it's on the smallest

00:02:08.960 step so it's completely a let's go like this guy was just a bad illustrator like i'm looking at it

00:02:15.340 It's very hard to make out.

00:02:16.940 All I can make out is the word patent.

00:02:20.080 Yeah, it says patent, medicines, and boothing syrup or something like that.

00:02:25.900 Dude.

00:02:27.100 This young boy, the home of an indulgent mother,

00:02:29.820 starts with peeing between meals, then patent fraud,

00:02:33.660 then straight to pickles, Mexicanized dishes, and pepper sauces. 0.91

00:02:41.940 I mean, this just makes white people look bad. 0.95

00:02:44.000 like oh they don't put pepper in they sauce right yeah candies and rich it's supposed to be pastries 0.68

00:02:50.480 but it says paiseries oh shit i didn't even look it does say paiseries you could just be a straight 0.91

00:02:57.000 up illiterate comic artist this guy was retarded tea coffee and coca i assume that means cocaine 0.92

00:03:04.740 yeah because it was legal then eh which is socially more acceptable for this 12 year old 0.91

00:03:11.580 than liquor and strong drink yes you know beer's not on here anywhere is it like i think beer is

00:03:18.480 just allowed right like water yeah it doesn't matter starting her son towards a drunkard's 0.99

00:03:25.740 grave this this is really targeting women

00:03:29.540 you could just make comics about women being shit back then couldn't you yes yes you could

00:03:37.640 you can't do that anymore you have to show my wife because i forget she doesn't know these

00:03:42.680 things because she doesn't spend all of her time on the internet um have you ever seen those

00:03:47.120 podcasts like fresh and fit or the whatever podcast uh is that with where they lamb based

00:03:54.460 women yeah it's just a guy straight off the rack doesn't know nothing about nothing you saw this 0.59

00:04:01.920 guy in a crowd i mean he'd harvest his organs but i think he's a total fucking dude you think 0.82

00:04:07.940 okay by virtue of body language and the things that he's doing with his life i think he's he's 0.71

00:04:13.000 ahead above the rest now what they're going to say is oh of course dimes is judging this man by

00:04:17.840 his sexual market value whereas judas is waiting him by his accomplishments um i'm going to be

00:04:26.700 paying for this in spades by the end of the show well i didn't know that i just 0.70

00:04:32.660 kill yourself for the first time 0.65

00:04:36.460 because remember we are ending the show for the year on this episode we will not have an episode 0.77

00:04:44.880 next week this is it this might be an all-time hateable episode i might go down in history as

00:04:53.840 the most shot man

00:04:55.460 because we're ending this

00:04:57.740 with one of my

00:04:59.840 choice interviews

00:05:01.340 with E. Michael Jones

00:05:02.980 but E. Michael Jones is a bit of a contentious

00:05:06.000 figure even on the right

00:05:07.260 anyway what I was saying was

00:05:09.820 that yeah I was explaining to my wife

00:05:11.880 about these shows yeah the whatever podcast

00:05:13.900 the Fresh and Fit is where you just 1.00

00:05:15.800 get a bunch of whores 1.00

00:05:17.740 to sit around a table and 1.00

00:05:19.940 regular guys just ask

00:05:21.920 them questions

00:05:22.820 and make them look dumb and then sometimes they argue with each other

00:05:30.260 and that's it and my wife was like wow people watch this i'm like why would anyone watch

00:05:36.220 anything else this is the distilled essence of our culture because she sometimes will watch

00:05:44.220 reality shows like this they took the only thing people like about reality shows and they just 0.94

00:05:49.360 made that what do you like about reality shows whores arguing it's got like five million 0.91

00:05:54.920 subscribers and then i don't know like i don't know where you go from here because people will

00:06:00.920 look at that and compare it to like jerry springer or something well that's what i was going to say

00:06:05.260 is like you don't need to go anywhere that is evergreen and you just have to keep doing more

00:06:10.220 interviews you could run that show for 50 years i bet you know the thing to do would be do this 0.72

00:06:16.280 but just in prison like in a women's prison yeah doing a women's prison where they can't get away

00:06:23.920 yeah get more yard time if they if they stay yeah just and have them because this in this show

00:06:30.980 these podcasts they don't fight each other they're not allowed to fight so they're not allowed to

00:06:35.320 find prison either all they do is yell at each other and that confused everyone in prison is 0.95

00:06:40.000 retarded it's the same thing except you know people are going to be more tattooed like it 0.92

00:06:45.000 can only get better if it's in prison yeah and then i don't know if there's a male version of 0.99

00:06:51.000 this where it's all guys and then like the hosts are women and then i don't know if it worked with

00:06:56.100 prisoners and one woman they just get wrecked yeah not even sexually just like imagine imagine 0.67

00:07:01.380 like five antagonistic guys and like a blue-haired bitch trying to like ask them pointed questions 0.93

00:07:06.660 and they're all just looking at each other and laughing like it would not work at all the fact 1.00

00:07:10.880 that that one guy and he's controlling he's got a room like six whores and they're all sitting with 0.98

00:07:16.380 their hands clasped at the table like they're waiting for the fucking prayer or something 0.99

00:07:20.640 like what the fuck how do they how does that room not explode i don't know you know what it is it's 0.97

00:07:26.060 the little uh filipina girl with the the the bismarck helmet in the corner keeping them yeah 0.63

00:07:31.240 what's her deal i don't know i don't know is she just there to bring in the far right watchers

00:07:37.700 they keep panning the camera to her and showing her reaction i'm like did i miss something who

00:07:44.080 the fuck is this woman uh but i saw one today there's a lot of asian girls that go on there 0.55

00:07:49.460 surprisingly um and there was this one it was sent to me by censored and on and okay here was 0.78

00:07:57.560 the pitch he gave to me and i didn't know this um but apparently and they mentioned this on the show

00:08:05.120 people pay to be on there yeah of course which well of course this is not an of course situation

00:08:11.940 why of course it's brand recognition well yeah but like to me it's it that's a sucker's game

00:08:18.680 and of course it's like to me it's like okay you are also the content they should at least they

00:08:24.840 no one should be making any money if you're paying there they're still getting money off of

00:08:29.920 you're getting nothing out of it except clout but still you are the product if you rewind i did not

00:08:37.120 say it was good value or a smart idea i said i said of course people want to do that of course

00:08:43.700 people will pay a thousand bucks to be on a show that has a million views even like will it get

00:08:48.360 you anything no that's a horrible investment well here's the thing so i don't watch these

00:08:53.500 religiously i've just seen now and again um there's this one with um this a woman who i can

00:09:01.300 only describe as north korean so she was korean but it looked like she was dressed very demurely

00:09:08.700 from the 1980s with like a perm and she was holding a taxidermied raccoon and she was there 0.99

00:09:19.040 and it's just surrounded by hoes of various levels of tattooed and she's very clearly doing a bit 0.99

00:09:26.140 she's doing a character some kind of fucking performance art and then she ended up getting 1.00

00:09:30.740 kicked off because she's not particularly funny but she's being irreverent and weird and she's

00:09:36.100 got a thing where she talks like she's a medication starts taking her medication

00:09:40.800 these pill bottles while she's there like oh you know whatever character your current one's like

00:09:46.460 1.5 years yeah and so why is it complicated oh as i said it's just really hard to tell if one of

00:09:53.120 if they're you know like one of the real ones what does that what does it mean to be a real one oh

00:09:57.680 you know like one of the other real people like in the world you know what i mean as opposed to

00:10:02.260 the imaginary no like as opposed to like this is like a beautiful map mind with russell crow no it's

00:10:08.280 like uh it's like so we all live in a simulation right and then you can't really tell if people

00:10:13.800 you're close with are part of the simulation or if they're one of the other real people that you

00:10:18.720 get to be close with because like i have no way of proving that he's real did you um do you take

00:10:24.280 your medication this morning um i did i have to take more a little bit later but i did take it

00:10:29.280 yes what medication do you take um i have you don't need to show it to us you can just tell us

00:10:34.360 why don't you just like uh give us the list of what you're um lithium uh asthma inhalers

00:10:40.880 i had to take a claritin today um but then people are getting mad at her all these other girls and

00:10:48.440 they're saying i paid to be here this is not cool can you can you take this seriously and i'm

00:10:53.960 watching this thinking it blew my mind that people take this seriously because the pitch to me was

00:11:00.260 dimes it costs a thousand dollars to get on the show we should crowdfund one of us to go on or 0.89

00:11:07.460 both of us right and of course a big-titted whore well they have guys on there they've got um 0.87

00:11:17.020 the guy from the crucible what's his name i know his name is andrew something um 0.69

00:11:23.200 his name was formerly big papa fascist but he was i'm gonna feel so super forget his name but it's

00:11:30.400 andrew and um he's on there and he's just one of the guys they bring on to make the girls look

00:11:36.380 dumb and he takes sort of like a traditionalist catholic or christian perspective richard's

00:11:41.520 catholic and just that that's the content the content is those arguments and in you know getting

00:11:46.740 into debate mode with them right yeah so i'm like okay that's the bit we can come up with a bit but

00:11:53.120 i'm like it's impossible for me to take that seriously right like to me that's just the place

00:11:59.280 you do dumb shit in or you do a character like her but apparently i think you get the cops called

00:12:04.640 on you if you do that because they called the cops on her because she wouldn't leave they kept saying 0.85

00:12:10.480 like the guy was like i i'm i'm trespassing you from my property i need you to please leave 0.97

00:12:16.660 i drove 12 fucking hours like these people some people flew in can you just kindly leave like we 0.99

00:12:22.800 get your trolling but i've revoked i have revoked your permission to be here okay you are now 0.98

00:12:29.040 trespassing can you kindly get up and leave wait i don't want to go yet doesn't matter you can't

00:12:35.200 even have the camera on your face girl yeah why what's wrong with my face can you please just

00:12:40.100 here you need to get up and leave

00:12:41.640 we're over the theatrics anyway that was the pitch and i don't know like it sounds like fun but i'm

00:12:50.760 like i don't know how to do this where we don't make a joke of it right also we have well you'd

00:12:57.820 have to be doxxed too that's the like realistically they're not going to let you on with a mask

00:13:02.660 are they what if we send two other guys as us

00:13:06.940 we crowdfund a thousand dollars without telling the people funding that we're not actually

00:13:15.740 sending ourselves we crowdfund two thousand dollars and we send geo pinnacetti and ryan

00:13:22.940 turnip seat yes that's great but they have to introduce themselves as dimes and judas ryan

00:13:30.880 gets to be me and then just imagine geo pinuchetti they're like okay you have to read from the script

00:13:35.720 it's just him looking at the cue cards going no no no no no so anyway i don't know if we'll be

00:13:43.720 going on whatever um what would this will sound like a very off-the-cuff question because it is

00:13:50.680 what's a format for what's the next format of show and i'll let you know what i'm coming out

00:13:56.720 with this because we're millennials and so a lot of the context that we have for making content is

00:14:02.840 based off of stuff we like and i know for guys our age when they make podcasts it's very morning

00:14:09.520 zoo oriented um so the examples of that would be like howard stern opie and anthony any of those

00:14:15.680 drive time shows where it's like two guys and there's usually a third mic that they maybe make

00:14:20.700 fun of and it's just riffing on the news and it's you know making off-color jokes and stuff like

00:14:25.740 that just really really wacky really irreverent and that's a very antiquated format you know i

00:14:33.340 mean like even the thing we're doing is we're kind of like on the edge of being in a dead media

00:14:38.840 right and all the young people like that that's they do the streaming they do more like more

00:14:46.060 engrossing community stuff but then there's like other new shows like this one like whatever we're

00:14:51.240 like okay you're taking questions in the community but it's all designed for people to build their

00:14:56.820 brand like that like you said that's the dimension to it like we go into this knowing these aren't

00:15:01.620 real people these are women who want to be micro niche e-celebs so they're already starting off

00:15:09.160 crazy but that's the marketplace of the people that we're dealing with no one's normal so what

00:15:14.820 do you do with a whole civilization of abnormal insane people and so anyway i was just trying to

00:15:21.460 think like what's the type of show the next step to to leverage that does that make sense

00:15:27.640 it's it's complicated like you were asking a while ago about tiktok and like now i'm feeling old

00:15:34.700 because i don't understand uh the draw of it maybe it's like i can i can cope and say oh it's because

00:15:41.100 i'm consciously aware of how you know rapidly changing colors on a screen you know uh hot

00:15:48.120 wires my dopamine but aside from that i mean if you want me to write like a program that 0.83

00:15:53.840 speaks to zoomers on that platform i can't fucking compete you know and i'm not sure 0.60

00:15:59.180 i mean then the other question again maybe i'm coping but should we should or is it okay to uh 0.84

00:16:06.640 to be what we are you want to know what um a format is and i've noticed this with uh not so

00:16:14.200 much with soft white underbelly but there's this old i think soft white underbelly grew out of this

00:16:20.320 other type of show that i used to watch years and years ago is done by david lynch it was called

00:16:25.660 interview project and he would kind of set it up but really is his camera crew would go around

00:16:31.740 america and just interview regular people to go through the midwest go through the american south

00:16:36.680 and find interesting looking people just interview them about their lives and most of the time it was

00:16:40.660 something interesting once you really drill down into people's story there's a lot there and that's

00:16:47.120 sort of what soft white underbelly is but it's it tries to emphasize you know homeless people

00:16:52.580 and the dregs of society and i kept thinking that a lot of this content was taking the abnormal

00:17:01.000 and putting it on display you have normal people or people who tried to be on the side of normal 0.77

00:17:07.020 people like howard stern is not a normal person but he was normal compared to the whack pack he 0.86

00:17:12.720 had come in there he's normal compared to fucking beetlejuice coming into the front door 0.90

00:17:17.080 you went down to the big uh they had a big audition or something where people lined up 0.78

00:17:21.900 trying to get on the soprano for people who looked italian yeah yeah you think you look italian

00:17:26.300 we yeah yeah but you are a black man though yeah i've been italian for two years

00:17:32.180 what you've been italian for two years yeah you can just choose to be italian yeah oh i didn't

00:17:38.080 know that he's also a police officer right yeah yeah where's your badge there is his badge it's

00:17:43.560 right there when did you join the force me for two years for two years everything's two years 0.85

00:17:48.320 right he's been italian for two years he's on the force for two years did you fuck megan fox uh beat 0.91

00:17:54.860 who megan fox the girl on the transformers oh i probably did maybe while he wasn't even looking 0.81

00:18:02.400 but it would seem like the inversion of that would be a bunch of abnormal people

00:18:12.380 interviewing a normal person like i just had this flash in my head of all these busted

00:18:19.440 e-celeb only fans whores interviewing a nun you know or like a construction worker

00:18:28.200 just completely flip that and i don't know if that's interesting content but like you have to 0.86

00:18:33.860 put the fucking psychos in charge and the thing that is being centered is the last gasp of 0.61

00:18:41.240 something approaching normal in this society like a regular ass mother of three and put her in that 0.72

00:18:49.860 world and that's the thing we're obsessed with because that is what we're obsessed with when we

00:18:53.280 watch these shows we watch soft white underbelly or whatever it's like i need to hear someone who

00:18:58.340 sounds kind of normal tell me a story that sounds genuine because nothing else makes sense and my

00:19:05.060 co-workers all want to kill themselves soft white underbelly is like the the extreme and i wonder

00:19:11.860 what the demographics are on that show because like you and i like that show and i know a lot

00:19:15.600 of people like in our circle do but our circle is like um like white guys in their 30s right

00:19:21.960 like do zoomers like soft white underbelly because i would imagine um like you're saying

00:19:27.900 like a single mother a single mother of three not even like that's even still damaged goods right 0.99

00:19:32.080 like a um a normal not like a perfect christian family but like a regular working class townie

00:19:40.040 family who maybe is not even christian is just like they just work i don't know just like regular 0.96

00:19:45.340 fucking people might be almost exotic to some of these zoomers like think of like gen alpha and 0.88

00:19:51.940 young zoomers who are the children of like fucked up true and millennials like what's exotic to them 0.72

00:19:58.600 like these kids i think you're right you know what i mean so there's there's something else 0.96

00:20:03.820 there that and again i i could i'm sure we could dig into this and figure out something and i think 0.99

00:20:09.660 we're smart enough to make something work but it's very foreign like we're old enough now to see 0.98

00:20:15.340 there's not only a huge uh valley between us and the boomers but there's now a huge valley between 1.00

00:20:20.220 us and the the young the kids so yeah there's really there is no way to leverage this in 0.97

00:20:27.300 participation of this whole thing without losing your soul like to me imagine running this running

00:20:32.960 a show like whatever and this is every single day you gotta sit in that room with these busted 1.00

00:20:39.360 psychopathic sluts the thing the thing that i like about whatever is you can look at it on the one 0.96

00:20:45.320 end it's like oh he's clearly just running a network and he's grifting he's grifting all of 0.84

00:20:51.400 these fucking suckers these dumb women who just want to be instagram whores and he's making money 0.75

00:20:56.540 off of their instagram horror money but at the same time the actual media that he's producing 0.98

00:21:01.440 is for our demographic and it's kind of giving us permission to laugh along with women being put in 0.72

00:21:07.700 their place specifically dumb whores not all women he often has good women on there sitting beside 0.74

00:21:13.700 like he had i had pearl on there a few times right sitting beside him and castigating the 0.94

00:21:19.500 whores so like he it is a right-wing show you know what i mean so that's kind of neat is you're 0.92

00:21:24.560 you're playing that game you're making money but also i would say it's even better than fish to be

00:21:29.440 to to me like it's better than fish things better than what same hide's doing because it is actually

00:21:33.220 still political and it is moving the needle in our direction i would say like you said you're

00:21:37.960 like you don't want to lose your soul you don't want to end up doing something just to make money

00:21:41.700 trying to hack the zoomers and then wind up making the situation worse but i'm wondering if on an

00:21:48.260 entry point is just that not even like something being exotic but something being authentic

00:21:53.560 like i think there's a degree of authenticity that we always wanted that the gen x had that

00:21:58.920 we feel felt like we didn't like they were latchkey kids that got to go like ride their bikes at night

00:22:03.120 and build their own tree houses and shoot guns and they had trucks at 16 and like we kind of had that 1.00

00:22:09.320 but not really and the zoomers don't have any of that like i don't know if you've looked around 0.98

00:22:13.480 but some of these guys who are like 18 20 years old right now their lives they look they live in 0.78

00:22:18.680 fucking pods man like that's even stuff to us that's like run of the mill that we think is not 0.87

00:22:23.880 that interesting compared to stories we heard from gen x and boomers our stories are fucking 0.99

00:22:28.460 odysseys compared to the pod lives that zoomers live so that's something i think you can tell to 0.91

00:22:36.000 them a parasocial authentic experience but also again needle moving right like like soft white 0.95

00:22:43.480 underbelly is showing you all of this shit all of these idiosyncratic stories from literal fucking 0.56

00:22:48.180 crackheads and 0.57

00:22:49.980 essentially in fairness 1.00

00:22:52.960 shitty bad people

00:22:54.400 but what if we did like 0.93

00:22:56.280 fucking other stuff that's not

00:22:58.560 crackheads I don't know

00:23:00.020 you said a lot of very good things there

00:23:02.240 I'm glad you mentioned Fish Tank

00:23:04.420 because you know we have nothing but

00:23:06.560 love for Sam Hyde and the Millie Doc

00:23:08.500 stream crew but Fish Tank

00:23:10.680 does to me

00:23:12.560 represent the inversion of what we are talking

00:23:14.680 about which is like

00:23:16.080 let me start by saying

00:23:17.680 it partially does what you're talking about which is identifying this group this perhaps

00:23:25.440 historically distinct group like you know like whatever says we have this fucking glut of

00:23:31.600 e-celeb obsessed prostitutes or people who are like trying to build their brand on tiktok what

00:23:38.240 can we do with them what can we do with these women who are like going to not debase themselves 0.54

00:23:43.740 sexually but debase themselves intellectually

00:23:45.900 if that makes any sense and just 0.70

00:23:47.820 like fish tank if you look at the people on fish

00:23:49.840 tank they are a very

00:23:51.840 specific demographic they're all weird

00:23:53.840 looking neats

00:23:55.280 they all exist in that

00:23:57.860 space like they're aware of what it is

00:24:00.060 but they need to pretend they don't know

00:24:01.880 who Sam Hyde is during it

00:24:03.360 and they're all kind of playing a character

00:24:05.940 but they're also not because

00:24:07.300 they live that character all the time

00:24:09.620 you see what I'm saying like they are just that weird

00:24:11.960 but they also play it up

00:24:12.940 but that's a that's like a zoomer thing you know i mean that type of person that pod person like 0.65

00:24:19.620 you were saying these people don't do anything they're all autistic they're all fucking freaks

00:24:23.780 but my my desire would have been to take that and do something other than like a real big brother 0.75

00:24:32.480 house show yeah like take that group which there's a lot of them and their stories aren't being told

00:24:38.740 in any way but don't do like this boring bullshit and have like jet neptune out there saying no 0.61

00:24:47.580 one's ever had a show like this before what the fuck are you talking about they were doing this 0.82

00:24:51.340 exact thing like a decade ago this is actually the first type of show they did on the internet

00:24:56.140 everyone got sick of it and not enough time has passed where we don't remember that that's what

00:25:00.900 it was for some people who do like i know guys who love the show it's like can you believe that

00:25:04.720 they're doing this new thing like this is the furthest thing from a new thing the other thing

00:25:08.800 is is like even if you want to call if they wanted to call it a new thing because of the user

00:25:12.220 experience online um yeah but i mean it's not really a new thing that's like what you changed

00:25:18.540 one feature on what is otherwise just big brother it really and again i'm not trying to piss on them

00:25:23.320 because like some guys were arguing with me in the chat about this is like oh you know it's good

00:25:26.860 for sammy that he can he can make a bunch of money and he's surviving and like yeah that's great look

00:25:31.200 i don't want to piss on it it's a funny show but um yeah it's not super original it is really just

00:25:37.520 a profit engine for him and his group great i love the guy that's great that he's making money

00:25:41.900 and it's funny but also it's not moving the needle it's not really helping anybody it's

00:25:46.120 kind of maybe making things worse a little bit um and also also original i also let me just say

00:25:53.200 i don't care if people make money like maybe that makes me the bad guy or people say isn't 0.74

00:25:58.340 it great that they're making money i actually don't give a shit i don't get like i don't watch 0.73

00:26:02.580 other people's wallets like that because some people will like cheerlead when someone makes

00:26:07.480 a million dollars like i'm so happy from if he was a billionaire i'm not more or less happy i don't 0.57

00:26:12.580 fucking care the pushback was is like oh do you want him to operate it as a charity it's like no 0.54

00:26:17.160 i don't i think if somebody's going to devote their life to something they should get paid for 0.80

00:26:20.520 it so if this is what he wants to do and he's getting paid i'm not pissing on that what i am

00:26:24.420 saying is there was a time when we looked up to these people as not not leaders like leaders

00:26:30.620 leaders but kind of thought leaders or narrative leaders like they were creating memes and kind

00:26:36.600 of driving the feeling of the zeitgeist forward a bit and frankly sam is not anymore like he hasn't

00:26:43.920 been in quite a while he's still making funny content but he's just like a comedy guy now which

00:26:48.680 again i'm it's fine but don't act like it is as it's not mde it's not like it used to be where

00:26:55.640 he's actually pushing the envelope right so and like you do want to make money but also i mean

00:27:02.260 if you to me personally if i'm going to do something i only have one life i want to actually

00:27:07.560 move things in a direction i don't just want if i wanted to make money i'd go fucking in the stock 0.88

00:27:11.720 market you know what i mean like you don't make a show to make money you make a show because you 0.79

00:27:15.120 want to create something you want to see change so yeah like these are interesting individuals

00:27:20.860 and it would have been funny like this will sound hack too you know but i am a hack guy 0.70

00:27:25.860 like getting these people together to like start a fucking business or something 0.76

00:27:29.740 like i was just i was just thinking that and i didn't say it because you know what i was thinking 0.96

00:27:34.540 i was thinking of uh nathan for you you remember that where he goes around like an idiot and just 0.65

00:27:39.780 helps people with their small businesses and makes it awful but actually doing some

00:27:44.880 something like reality tv but pulling a bunch of like totally pod living zoomers and getting them

00:27:52.920 to like run a shitty thrift store or something nathan fielder i believe that's his name um he

00:28:00.580 is riding the wave i'm talking about to the degree that i don't want to watch his stuff anymore

00:28:05.900 like the stuff it's gotten too dark it's got its finger on the pulse of like what people want to

00:28:12.240 it's like blurring the lines like he's in everything he's playing the sort of like

00:28:16.360 autistic self-serving guy and the things he's doing are very like surreal and strange it is

00:28:23.980 hard to watch sometimes actually yeah but it's like i don't find it enjoyable anymore it's good

00:28:27.820 it's relevant it's of the now it's what arguably it's important yeah he showed the rehearsal maybe

00:28:34.880 but i'm like i don't find this enjoyable or entertaining it just bothers me so i don't

00:28:40.400 watch it he's got a new one called like the curse or something and like i it's another thing i can't

00:28:46.900 watch this it's just going to trouble me but but i know that it's it's relevant to this time you

00:28:53.880 know without without getting totally off topic did you watch the connor o'malley the mask that

00:28:57.960 was posted of course i did i was the first one that's first one in canada i had i had to break

00:29:03.400 that into like three parts to to watch it i couldn't watch the whole thing straight i love it

00:29:09.100 It's fucked up. 0.57

00:29:11.100 Smokey!

00:29:12.100 The first ever drone strike within the borders of the United States of America.

00:29:18.100 Once you tap into the Gaia Force, the amount of information that you can receive is limitless. 0.69

00:29:22.100 Joe Biden died three years ago, and his body has been controlled by the Chinese CIA

00:29:26.100 in order to change different things about this. 0.92

00:29:28.100 This is a nice TV. What are you doing with it?

00:29:30.100 Where'd you hear about that?

00:29:31.100 My roommate told me about it. It's all over the internet. It's just fucking celebrities right here.

00:29:35.100 Who's inside? Who's inside?

00:29:37.100 change the world if we really want to you piece of shit john cena yeah it's look he's the guy's

00:29:46.500 brilliant but um yeah that was that was hard to watch it's so many of them now he's got a theme 0.51

00:29:52.140 going like with with the what is it cyber port cyber city or whatever and then the endorphin

00:29:56.500 port endorphin port that's what it was yeah fucking computers bullshit it's fucking sick

00:30:03.380 It's not cool anymore. It's not fun.

00:30:05.380 It's not fun to be on the fucking computer.

00:30:07.380 They changed everything about it.

00:30:08.380 It used to be so cool.

00:30:10.380 So cool.

00:30:12.380 We need a new place on the computer

00:30:14.380 where we can be epic mind soldiers

00:30:16.380 who live by the Assassin's Creed

00:30:18.380 and do the most epic of legendary behavior.

00:30:21.380 I'm talking about a place that's not a website.

00:30:23.380 It's not a website!

00:30:25.380 It's a different reality.

00:30:27.380 There will be no more fucking racism, no more sexism,

00:30:29.380 because everybody will get rid of their bodies.

00:30:32.380 No one will be judged if they got a pussy pit or ass. 0.59

00:30:34.780 Everybody will design their own avatar.

00:30:36.720 There will be no excuse.

00:30:38.040 It is up to you to do what you want to do.

00:30:40.260 A true fucking paradise.

00:30:42.000 You want to be Gollum?

00:30:43.140 Six foot tall, jacked in a huge fucking cock

00:30:45.440 and an ass like the monster of Incredibles?

00:30:47.460 Go ride a fucking head, buddy.

00:30:51.180 Yeah, I showed that to the laughing man

00:30:53.860 from the Sunflower Society

00:30:55.560 and it broke his mind.

00:30:58.200 Oh, dude.

00:30:58.700 Like he says he's watched it every single day

00:31:01.400 for like three weeks since i showed him that's the stuff that i'm talking about like it's not

00:31:04.760 overtly right wing but it's extremely political like it's extremely is it you even say it's

00:31:11.320 political like that's that's probably one of the most artistic things i've seen all year it's

00:31:17.140 completely my number one it's my number one piece of art i have seen in 2023 was the mask

00:31:23.060 this is a good question can something be of the zeitgeist without being political

00:31:29.600 i say yes and i would give the example of conor o'malley because conor o'malley like sam hyde

00:31:36.740 i know that conor o'malley is also into this like it's not like when tim heidecker does it when he

00:31:44.120 wants to mock q anon he's doing it from a political angle i can tell the angle he's approaching this

00:31:50.240 is from just a straight up democrat who's making fun of conspiracy theorists like this embraces

00:31:56.840 like schizophrenic online mentality to such a degree that's apolitical is but it's it's it

00:32:03.240 takes it to the extreme and it means something to the people who watch it because you've never

00:32:07.600 seen anything like that before it's not like lampooning it or trying to like other it you

00:32:14.820 know there's a part of him that like gets that i think it was because it wasn't a lampoon at all

00:32:19.640 i was going to say it was it's the same and i'm wondering i gotta dig into it but like calling it

00:32:23.860 the mask and the way that he wears the mask and cuts the mask into pieces and wears different

00:32:28.360 parts of the mask at different points in his in his life and it's he starts as a kid who's who's

00:32:35.440 essentially like experiences ego death or is destroyed as a person partially through his

00:32:40.940 family and partially just by being online and loses his sense of self and gets sucked in and

00:32:46.140 then the that's the then the other 90 of it is just the the fall of this man and then it's over

00:32:53.140 like it doesn't even show but essentially he goes to prison so wants to be an improv guy wants is

00:32:58.500 just the sort of positive linkedin guy who's like i'm i'm making a meme every day for 365 days 0.59

00:33:05.580 and then goes to hollywood loses his fucking mind in the conspiracies and shit and again in a way

00:33:12.320 that's not making fun of that you know satanic cabal alex jones type stuff it's so funny but 0.79

00:33:18.340 it's really it's not it's not funny like i was i i had the the laughter feeling in my chest while

00:33:25.000 watching it but i didn't actually laugh it's too heavy to actually to actually laugh at it i don't

00:33:30.940 know well this is the fight that that's what's so good that's what's so good about his stuff but

00:33:34.880 also like just using tim heidecker as an example of this sort of progressive democratic mind that

00:33:40.580 tries to um address this sort of stuff it's like they are simultaneously mocking it and afraid of

00:33:47.700 it and they mock it and they're afraid of it at the same time because they don't understand it 0.80

00:33:51.660 so like q anon like on one day they'll say aren't these people like fucking morons and then they're 0.99

00:33:58.140 saying that they almost destroyed our democracy and they need to be locked up forever like they 0.86

00:34:01.560 can't figure out which what they feel about this one group because they don't understand it but i

00:34:07.700 think conor o'malley and other people they get it um and you can tap into that and make content that

00:34:14.840 incorporates that and i think that's the only sort of art that is relevant right now and anything

00:34:19.960 that's sort of calling back to like the early 2000s or anything like that or like still bringing

00:34:25.760 up like reality tv i'm like you don't get it but this like like we're talking about with fish tank

00:34:30.440 like the zoomer physiognomy that archetype like the post post ironic individual just the weirdo

00:34:38.480 and girl weirdos too like we we haven't really seen that in media like how many girl weirdos

00:34:45.440 there are the femme cell you know that wasn't really represented and now you do like in fish

00:34:51.180 tank season one we had josie whatever her name is she's like like a polynesian and she's got like 0.62

00:34:57.020 fucking gems glued to her teeth and like bangs and shit like what the fuck is this person 0.81

00:35:02.460 there's a lot of her out there now 0.90

00:35:04.580 Harmony 0.75

00:35:06.780 with the Canadian 1399

00:35:09.200 says hi

00:35:10.380 with a lot of eyes

00:35:11.720 hi Harmony

00:35:14.000 you see that's I'm gonna abbreviate that to

00:35:16.700 HH

00:35:17.320 hi Harmony HH

00:35:19.320 HH

00:35:20.220 I found an article

00:35:24.620 here

00:35:25.040 and I missed this is another thing

00:35:28.560 I misread the first time

00:35:30.140 but um it's still even when i read it correctly it's still it's worse almost okay so and i had

00:35:38.440 to chase this down a bit uh right to the end because i i saw it posted on msn.com yeah but

00:35:48.620 the article was sourced from e-bombs world oh so i'm already i don't know is it real though

00:35:56.540 it is it is real okay but i just i had to keep digging because i'm not going to be

00:36:02.240 msm is linking to ebom's world ebom's world is out there on the streets doing real reporting 0.64

00:36:08.620 ebom is the last nigga i haven't heard ebom's world in like 10 years it's so funny that it's 0.83

00:36:17.520 still around i give you everyone says like oh i found this thing on new grounds like there's no 0.96

00:36:23.580 new ground let me check this up there's still new grounds somebody's talking shit yeah they have 0.66

00:36:29.500 like their own shows and shit now on there damn new grounds and e-bombs world was us when we were

00:36:35.280 like 12 or 13 years old that's a long time ago man here's the best part it doesn't look like

00:36:41.160 it's changed at all that was more than 20 years ago you it's funny how it really hasn't changed

00:36:50.020 you know what i mean like i remember someone recently they were there's all these like

00:36:55.400 reaction videos out there about the new gen alpha or zoomer meme and it was called like

00:37:01.260 skibity toilet you hear about that yeah yeah yeah

00:37:04.440 yeah it's just oh my god it's so crazy like this is what young people are laughing at now like

00:37:17.960 what the society is doing i thought it's kind of funny well i thought wait a second

00:37:22.040 and then i thought like when i was in high school it was ring ring ring ring ring ring

00:37:29.100 banana phone yeah and it was like what was it

00:37:33.880 it was right like the whole point of like us in high school it was like lol so random

00:37:52.140 it was random shit that's just kids like like all all four-year-olds like to say the word butt

00:37:58.560 and then laugh yeah like it but it's like oh the kids are so random now like no and then i thought 0.50

00:38:03.500 of like well then what the fuck was monty python have you heard of yeah you know the silly walks

00:38:10.380 and so the idea of them saying like kids are so random with their humor now like that doesn't 0.58

00:38:15.500 bear out to me so i'm looking at new grounds i'm like shit nothing's really changed i'm like 0.68

00:38:19.380 yeah why would it's just fucking cartoons maybe this is what we deserve we just get 0.91

00:38:24.060 we're just in new grounds forever and that's what we deserve what about that yep i agree 0.83

00:38:30.800 going back to the story broke by ebom eric bauman candidate canadian made a doctor describes

00:38:39.120 euthanizing man dressed as clown who wanted to go out laughing so you read that headline

00:38:46.080 if you read it the way i read it was a doctor dressed like a clown killed a man in a hospital

00:38:52.460 yes the thing is this isn't you the the headline is written that way doctor doctor euthanizes man

00:38:59.780 dressed as clown

00:39:01.060 dressed as clown

00:39:01.580 yes

00:39:01.880 because I read that

00:39:06.260 and I thought

00:39:06.740 well that was just

00:39:07.420 the plot of

00:39:07.900 Patch Adams

00:39:08.560 I thought

00:39:09.060 yes

00:39:12.560 essentially

00:39:13.880 we've been

00:39:15.000 doing that

00:39:15.820 yeah

00:39:16.700 yeah

00:39:17.520 which

00:39:17.980 in retrospect

00:39:18.840 was a really

00:39:19.380 stupid movie

00:39:20.360 I love the part

00:39:21.760 where he has

00:39:22.120 a gynecology

00:39:23.060 conference

00:39:23.480 and he builds

00:39:24.020 a giant

00:39:24.560 paper mache 0.99

00:39:25.380 vagina 1.00

00:39:26.280 on the door 0.56

00:39:27.060 of the conference

00:39:27.580 center

00:39:27.880 remember that

00:39:29.000 which when you describe it sounds like an arrested development scene

00:39:33.300 it kind of is actually something job would come up with

00:39:37.580 behold michael oh my god

00:39:44.180 um but what happened was it was um i'm gonna read the article then i'm gonna read the piece

00:39:52.320 in psychology today which i used to fact check this so um everyone has different

00:39:58.780 ideas about how they like to go out at the end of their lives although most people are content

00:40:02.560 with the idea of passing away peacefully in their sleep one dr stephanie green's patients however

00:40:08.860 had a slightly more unusual approach so the real story here is that the doctor wasn't dressed like

00:40:17.160 a clown the man who was being euthanized wanted to be dressed like a clown however this is pulled

00:40:23.760 from a book and says here she even published a book this is assisted dying a doctor's story of

00:40:29.960 empowering patients at the end of their life and she has euthanized um i think when this was written

00:40:37.480 this was written this year but it's it cites around 300 people she's euthanized that sounds

00:40:42.820 like a lot doesn't it yes wow holy was you said it was published this year yeah the one i was

00:40:49.500 reading this year i don't know when the book was published yeah but i'll you know what maybe

00:40:54.620 we'll just talk about that right now because you hear a doctor a female doctor right has

00:40:59.400 euthanized 300 people so she's killed them directly with her hand of course because that's

00:41:04.760 what separates it from regular suicide and i don't there hasn't as far as i know been

00:41:11.380 any serious studies into the psychological impacts of that on doctors you know i mean

00:41:17.160 because a doctor is supposed to do no harm you're killing people directly purposefully yeah um i

00:41:22.960 don't know you know my understanding of ptsd would be does this would this cause ptsd was the first

00:41:30.020 question but if it doesn't why not and ken is this a case of they believe what they're doing

00:41:37.160 is right so much that they don't even see it as killing even if they are literally injecting

00:41:44.220 someone at close range you know because when we discussed the book on killing uh one of the

00:41:50.120 elements impact influencing a ptsd was the physical proximity to who you are killing so

00:41:56.860 with when you're within stabbing range that has a profound impact versus a sniper versus a drone

00:42:03.400 pilot you know if you're not within breathing distance of someone when you kill them it's way

00:42:08.620 different but i'm like well you're in close proximity when you are dealing the killing

00:42:12.640 blow to this person and if there's no ptsd that's fucking fascinating or if there is then why are we

00:42:20.300 allowing this why is this woman allowed to kill 300 people and drive herself insane i wonder if 0.79

00:42:25.740 it's different now like if you had have asked doctors 50 years ago to do this a whether they

00:42:30.680 would have agreed to it and b whether it would have had a stronger effect i think it probably

00:42:34.620 would have and then the other part of it is uh which doctors are we talking about right because

00:42:39.400 like not every surgeon like at a at a toronto hospital is performing maid i imagine it's very

00:42:45.340 specific hand-picked doctors um at a specific institution and you know what i'll bet you

00:42:51.460 i'll bet you they volunteer or do you think they're are they picked out of a hat or do they

00:42:56.080 volunteer because if they volunteer well we've answered our question haven't we because we know

00:43:00.200 there's a lot of psych there's a lot of psychos in that pod to begin with in a hospital uh you

00:43:05.120 know i've had nurses in my family um if you if you are known to be good with babies more than

00:43:10.500 other nurses maybe they'll pick you to deal with babies more often if it seems that you're good

00:43:16.020 with death that's what they would say oh you're good around people during the end of their lives

00:43:20.680 like we don't have a problem with people we as if we don't have a problem with nurses doing this

00:43:25.860 off the books already yeah yeah okay let's get back to the story i'm just gonna say this

00:43:32.940 this is from her book an excerpt when i arrived on the day of his scheduled death it's funny that

00:43:39.380 they don't have a different name for it you know because when it's a when it's a bad guy it's an

00:43:44.800 execution what's the inverse of an execution uh when i arrived at the day of his scheduled death

00:43:50.740 he was in a small private hospital room and we chatted for a while at first he seemed ready

00:43:56.360 eager to proceed tired of waiting uh i wonder if that's true after a few minutes he excused himself

00:44:02.400 to go to the washroom and returned wearing a full clown suit tie-dyed pants and sorry okay

00:44:08.580 sorry because you said i wonder if that's true you'll if you're reading it verbatim it says he

00:44:14.300 seemed he seemed to be ready he seemed to be waiting not he said not he told me it's he seemed

00:44:24.400 so i mean you could have just lied and say he said i'm ready doc let's get this over with yeah

00:44:30.360 but he didn't say that you just look him in the eye and you're like this guy's ready to die

00:44:35.060 this guy wants to die he seemed eager why was he trembling

00:44:39.160 he was just so excited to die that he was shaking and tearing up

00:44:46.680 while you're gauging his reaction there for a minute try lowering the gun and see what he does

00:44:53.900 yeah after you told him that this is it you probably said that the first thing you came

00:44:59.720 after a few minutes he excused himself to go to the watch and return wearing a full clown suit

00:45:05.620 tie-dyed pants and t-shirt a colorful wig a red nose um he told me he hadn't been sure if he was

00:45:12.340 going to use the nose or not but in the end he decided to go for it despite all our previous

00:45:17.700 conversations i never realized ed was an amateur clown there's a lot going on in this story so

00:45:23.520 you're you you have all these conversations to get to know the guy but he's so passionate about 0.82

00:45:28.080 being a clown that he literally wants to die in his clown suit and yet you didn't fucking know 0.85

00:45:33.080 that until a minute before you didn't even know he had the suit with him like this is just screaming 0.75

00:45:38.560 screaming the only other person who would do something like this would be a veteran

00:45:44.100 in their uniform and like apparently this is such important he wants to die him 0.85

00:45:51.540 it's fucking 0.87

00:45:52.460 and also that he had it in the washroom i guess like there's a lot of holes in this story 0.84

00:46:00.880 um despite your previous conversation i never realized ed was an amateur clown

00:46:05.420 i asked him why he'd chosen to wear the clown suit on this day he told me he wanted to go out

00:46:10.400 laughing he figured this was his best bet which again not to really keep hammering at this it's

00:46:18.280 an odd thing to say he wants to go so like he's a clown and he's laughing at himself yeah i don't

00:46:25.420 know how does that work i thought clowns are supposed to be all tragic this is almost just

00:46:29.860 the plot of joker i asked him why he wanted to go like this and he said he previously had thought

00:46:38.420 that his life was a tragedy but now he understood that it was in fact a comedy

00:46:43.940 he assured me that people like me would get what they fucking deserve

00:46:50.460 and then he shot me in the head

00:46:53.320 uh yes yes yes this is a good ass autobiography out of the hospital wearing a nurse's gown and 0.53

00:47:05.600 it exploded behind him yeah i want a book written by a doctor or a nurse where every chapter ends

00:47:11.200 of them brutally murdered

00:47:12.520 you wouldn't think

00:47:17.420 of cancer a man

00:47:19.160 with stage 7

00:47:21.020 lung cancer could rape so vigorously

00:47:23.240 but that he did

00:47:24.940 until the eyes

00:47:26.900 bugged out of my head

00:47:28.440 my tongue unfurled 0.94

00:47:31.300 like a red carpet

00:47:32.820 on a gala event

00:47:34.420 steam shot out of my ears

00:47:36.880 and uh and my 1.00

00:47:39.080 pussy exploded like 1.00

00:47:41.060 an atom bomb 0.64

00:47:42.000 destroying

00:47:44.140 a third of DC

00:47:47.000 our nation's capital

00:47:48.780 damn

00:47:50.480 next chapter

00:47:52.280 when kids swallow action figures

00:47:55.360 I just 1.00

00:47:59.000 recovered from my pussy exploding 0.99

00:48:01.260 my next case 0.99

00:48:05.020 you know there's a lot of 1.00

00:48:08.860 dumb bitches who are reading books 1.00

00:48:10.740 but there's not enough of them writing them. 1.00

00:48:13.200 Yep. 0.89

00:48:14.180 Every time I hear a crazy woman open their mouths, 0.99

00:48:16.780 I say, I'd make you rich just to hear more,

00:48:21.440 just to be certain that the money would drive you deeper into despair.

00:48:28.020 Imagine the craziest woman you know if you gave her a billion dollars.

00:48:32.680 I think we could live in an America that provided that for them.

00:48:36.920 Yeah.

00:48:37.840 Yeah. 1.00

00:48:38.360 no politician has the balls or the vigor or the gumption to run on the female suffering ticket 0.94

00:48:47.380 suffering by giving them each one billion dollars that's how you can really sell a lot of people in

00:48:55.220 wealth redistribution i think so no we're going to give antifa all the money they want and they're 0.87

00:49:00.400 going to use it to overdose they're going to they're going to use it to have gay sex until 0.77

00:49:06.760 they die yeah how many of them would use it to move to north korea and overload the medical 0.90

00:49:13.120 system with tranny operations speaking of having gay sex until you die ah um this is you know a lot 0.86

00:49:22.300 of people were complaining that they hadn't heard an edition of gay sex update recently

00:49:28.020 and the listeners they gotta have their gay sex update so we did a lot of people got mad at me

00:49:44.760 for that one no one even you at the time no one found that as funny as i did i i had my laugh when

00:49:52.560 i read it originally but it is really a it's an it's embarrassing for us that story so in this

00:49:58.980 day and age it really is rare to see a truly unhinged train wreck like a chris chan level 0.90

00:50:06.640 absolute like a mess psychologically emotionally they seem like they live in a different world

00:50:13.400 than we do everyone's a bit too self-aware and ironic right to find a guy who's just like

00:50:19.040 yeah i beat my wife and i have aids and and ha ha now here is the uh title from new york post

00:50:29.480 i'm reading this senate staffer who allegedly filmed public sex in congress ousted from ben 0.58

00:50:36.560 carton's office now the the notes on this are there was a a gay sex videotape released publicly

00:50:44.600 on Twitter. Sex scandal rocking the U.S. Senate. A legislative aide to Maryland Senator Ben Cardin

00:50:51.420 out of a job after a video first published by conservative outlet The Daily Caller alleged

00:50:56.160 to show him having sex in a Senate hearing room used for Supreme Court confirmations and high

00:51:01.260 profile hearings. I was angry, disappointed. It's a breach of trust. Senator Cardin confirming to NBC

00:51:09.540 news that staffer Aiden Mazie

00:51:11.560 Sarovsky is no longer a Senate

00:51:13.400 employee but refusing to discuss

00:51:15.580 details of the case

00:51:16.660 a US Senate staffer allegedly caught

00:51:19.600 filming himself having sex

00:51:21.540 I don't think that should be called having

00:51:23.460 sex I want to put a memorandum on that 1.00

00:51:25.740 gay people are not allowed 1.00

00:51:27.500 to have sex 1.00

00:51:28.500 it's sodomizing that's what you do 1.00

00:51:31.440 yeah correct

00:51:32.620 you'll see this in this article because they don't

00:51:35.540 know how to phrase it but saying

00:51:37.060 making love or having sex

00:51:38.920 that's not what was happening here uh this guy got fired um his name is aiden mace

00:51:45.420 zirpsik zirpsk zirpski perfect real polack of a man is no longer employed by the u.s senate we

00:51:54.220 will have no further comment on this personnel matter so he's accused of posting the video

00:51:59.740 himself by the way like i just i just want people to like when you hear the story they're like oh

00:52:05.440 my god uh there was some kind of revenge porn there's no evidence that this was anything other

00:52:10.520 than him doing sodomy in a government building and posting it himself because he thought that 0.99

00:52:16.920 was something to do i don't i don't want to defend the faggot because i mean he's a gay man and i 0.98

00:52:24.960 don't i think he should go in the pit however the and i this is a bunch of memes so i don't know if 0.98

00:52:29.660 this is true but what i saw was that the guy who initially outed him was uh another member of was

00:52:36.520 a member of congress who was an older jewish fellow and the the guy in question aiden was a

00:52:43.140 very vocal uh palestine supporter that's the the story that i heard and that this was maybe maybe

00:52:50.740 public but like not posted on porn hub public but like somebody it was on a forum or it was on the

00:52:56.780 web somewhere and somebody knew where that somewhere was and like with anything in politics 0.96

00:53:01.320 there's all this fucking leverage going on behind so once again we have a short-circuiting jewish 0.92

00:53:07.080 mind committing a righteous self-own saying look what he did with me okay hold on a second 0.91

00:53:16.000 i don't know the guy the guy who posted it was not involved it was like just how did he get it

00:53:21.160 he was a dem and he was another that's the question right that's what i'm pointing out

00:53:25.980 the guy that posted it was an unrelated third party who was a jew and a dem in congress who

00:53:33.700 out of nowhere on twitter points it out and says hey it has come to my attention this just came

00:53:39.140 across my desk how does this jewish stranger get this video i thank you well like why does it why

00:53:46.240 does a right-wing jewish gun rights advocate own porn hub a canadian a canadian right-wing

00:53:53.120 jewish gun rights advocate and rabbi own porn hub like there's a lot of this stuff you like

00:54:00.040 what's going on here i tell you what's going on here i'm just going to give my take my two cents 0.81

00:54:07.220 i don't care for any of it it's been neither and let me just say here uh before we exit this because

00:54:16.060 i'm already starting to feel gross yeah you have to look at his response to this this aiden fellas

00:54:23.000 so he posts on linkedin which is hilarious already of course he does only if only a literal 0.99

00:54:31.000 an outed faggot would make a post on linkedin so okay he says this has been a difficult time for me 0.96

00:54:38.440 as i have been attacked for who i love to pursue a political agenda while some some people may 0.97

00:54:45.200 wondering if he shows remorse or regret during this i'm just going to spoil it and say no hold

00:54:50.720 on who i love as like do they mean like oh because you loved a terrorist i don't get that or do you 0.57

00:54:56.160 mean it's because you're gay because guess what pal if you were having normal sex in the senate 0.73

00:55:00.920 chamber you'd still be fired this has nothing to do honestly it doesn't even have anything to do 0.83

00:55:05.580 with you being gay the the irony here the funny thing is the reason that you had public sex was 1.00

00:55:13.360 because you're gay we're but we're not mad about the gay we're mad about the sex you are a faggot 1.00

00:55:19.660 and you are a degenerate and you're a lunatic because you are gay and that's the reason you 1.00

00:55:25.120 committed the crime but it could have been it could have you could have been you just shitting 1.00

00:55:29.300 on the floor because you're a faggot it could have been you pulling the flags off the wall 1.00

00:55:33.540 because you're a faggot like either way it's you just committing a crime without question he did 1.00

00:55:38.280 all of those things as well it's just not on camera yeah exactly but i was going to finish 0.97

00:55:45.080 this comment here uh as i've been attacked for who i love to pursue a political agenda

00:55:49.380 while some of my actions in the past have shown poor judgment i love my job and would never

00:55:54.620 disrespect my workplace i mean so he's just denying that the thing he did was bad because

00:56:02.360 he's not denying they did he's denying i suppose that's disrespectful yeah he doesn't think it's

00:56:06.760 disrespectful because he could have said that's not me in the video but he can't because it is 0.99

00:56:11.480 great a great touch point to always go back to it and be like hey here's why gays shouldn't be

00:56:16.240 allowed in government yeah i'm just saying yeah you don't know what you don't know if you're 0.82

00:56:20.240 going to open a door and see a bunch of men fucking yeah and that's just an afterwards

00:56:25.020 when you catch yourself with they say look i just did i did do that but i would never disrespect 0.87

00:56:30.380 the office it's like well you just did what do you mean you would never you you're literally

00:56:35.220 you're literally doing it right now

00:56:37.660 it's like I'm being

00:56:39.800 attacked for who I love oh you love him okay

00:56:41.740 what's his name

00:56:42.700 Craig 0.79

00:56:47.860 just picking a gay 0.92

00:56:49.740 name 0.86

00:56:50.240 any

00:56:53.740 attempts to characterize my actions otherwise

00:56:55.760 are fabricated and I'll be exploring what

00:56:57.780 legal options are available to me in these

00:56:59.640 matters as for the

00:57:01.460 accusations regarding Congressman Max

00:57:03.580 miller i've never seen the congressman and had no opportunity or cause to yell or confront him i

00:57:09.380 guess there is a rumor going around there what matters is he didn't admit fault at all and you

00:57:14.820 know here's the response that was given to that a lot of people were mocking on him dunking on him

00:57:20.400 for that uh says here this story was met with wide public mockery from the dc

00:57:27.640 chattering class with disgraced rep george santos leading the way quote having sex in unites his 0.55

00:57:36.600 government building and filming it is the reason you got heat you being gay and having gay sex 0.74

00:57:41.200 nobody gives a rat's ass a santos thundered on x which is kind of your point which is like it's 0.92

00:57:47.120 not about you be my thing is it's not about you being gay but it should be it should also be i 0.90

00:57:54.080 mean i'm saying i'm saying we're taking baby steps here so first thing is a bunch of weird guys are

00:57:59.680 having sex in the senate chamber okay well what kind of guys are they we can prevent that from 0.51

00:58:05.460 happening again well they were gay so i mean now we're to the point of saying oh it's isn't it 0.80

00:58:10.100 weird that only certain types of people do this right but yeah also it sodomy should be illegal 0.79

00:58:16.300 see i do imagine yourself in this position you're a bureaucrat you're a high-flying 0.99

00:58:24.220 senate here right you walk through the halls you open the door surprise a bunch of gay sex 0.96

00:58:30.760 right you do the same thing every gal do you go ah geez yep ah christ on the cross 0.98

00:58:37.120 avert your eyes you didn't even see it coming but that's this thing if you open the door

00:58:41.720 and you see a man and a woman 0.98

00:58:43.880 having sex, I think you have a bit of a

00:58:45.900 different reaction. I don't think

00:58:47.960 it's as abrasive.

00:58:50.480 You know, I walk, and this used to happen

00:58:51.980 all the time in the 50s and the 60s.

00:58:54.760 Yeah. Everyone's

00:58:55.640 fucking and sucking in closets all over the place.

00:58:58.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Under Nixon,

00:58:59.980 they walked in on Graham and

00:59:01.900 Feinstein bonking in the

00:59:03.800 Senate chamber. I remember that. All the time.

00:59:05.720 What are you going to do?

00:59:06.960 What are you going to do?

00:59:08.520 Not? 0.95

00:59:08.920 what are you going to not do that that's what gay guys do that's what they thought

00:59:15.560 you know why they didn't post it on twitter because they didn't have twitter yeah you 0.95

00:59:20.140 couldn't do that you can only post it the new york times feinstein bucked if ever you wanted 0.58

00:59:27.440 a story covered in the mainstream press you had to pick up a phone rotary dial it call any jew

00:59:35.580 and then you know in two to three days it would appear there um has been planted but you walk in 0.56

00:59:44.020 you see you know heterosexual intercourse what do you do you like you you say oh you lead a 0.70

00:59:51.400 fucking conga line and you're high-fiving each other you got the whole office walking through 0.78

00:59:55.440 it's a completely different experience so i don't like this equivocation it's like oh it's just 0.92

01:00:02.520 that's like the conservative line of me too it's like i don't care if you're fucking a

01:00:05.940 a man a woman or a kangaroo it's like i don't want this equivocation of heterosexuals and

01:00:12.880 bestiality that is a true libertarian talking point i will join you on the side of unequivocation 0.74

01:00:19.860 because i actually don't have any respect for the office of democracy and i do want it to collapse

01:00:25.160 and i think allowing people to freely have sex in the senate chamber is just what we need to

01:00:32.380 accelerate the demise of american democracy so you know what i'm all for it let's go you know if

01:00:38.840 you want to you know be an activist on that front you should do the libertarian thing which is just 0.71

01:00:43.860 walk through with a megaphone just screaming and what if i was having gay sex here what would you 0.63

01:00:51.000 do just annoying people right yeah which is yes yeah that reminds me i saw something recently

01:00:58.300 um i tweeted at a guy and he was like a libertarian type guy and it was regarding this story that i

01:01:07.340 just have pulled up in front of me in the guardian uh the title is uh satanic temple

01:01:14.940 condemns vandalism of its statue by christian military veteran it's the display at the center

01:01:22.900 of a free speech debate in America, the satanic temple of Iowa, putting up this scene in the

01:01:29.380 Iowa state capitol. Built with the state's permission, it includes a statue of a goat-headed

01:01:34.840 figure along with the seven tenants of the group's beliefs. But not everyone is feeling

01:01:40.000 blessed by its appearance. Iowa's governor, Kim Reynolds, calling it absolutely objectionable.

01:01:45.520 Another Iowa lawmaker calling it disgusting. And tonight, outrage hits a boiling point with the

01:01:51.560 display vandalized and the goat headed figure beheaded michael cassidy was arrested over

01:01:57.760 tearing down of satanic altar a symbol of humanism and anti-authoritarianism at the iowa capital

01:02:05.140 so someone has set up uh the satanic temple obtained permission from iowa's government to

01:02:12.920 erect a statue of a goat headed figure at the state capital in des moines along with the group's seven

01:02:19.000 fundamental tenets which call on members who act with compassion and empathy towards all

01:02:23.840 and declare people's bodies as inviolable inviolable you know but when you think of

01:02:30.440 satan you don't really think of compassion for all though do you no like really because i know

01:02:37.720 like the slight of hand they're trying to hear but it's like you can't just take christian stuff

01:02:42.360 and say no that's us but we're doing it better no like there's there's a there's something extra

01:02:47.880 to satanism with like the goat head and the bat wings and all the fucking orgies that's more than

01:02:54.420 like be chill to everyone right but you know that the libertarian guy he found himself doing what

01:02:59.760 you know modern libertarianism to me just seems like you're the entire political apparatus is

01:03:07.580 rude like you only get backed into corners like that's the story of every every libertarian with

01:03:12.740 like the age of consent debate where they just give hypotheticals to these guys and they go well

01:03:17.660 i guess i guess you have to allow that within my ideology and then they end up like this guy

01:03:24.300 having to defend the satanic you know statue it's like okay you know for two things these days

01:03:31.060 defending a lowered age of consent and satanism you don't need to get backed into these corners

01:03:36.440 all the fucking time yeah i've said this before but my big gripe with contemporary libertarians

01:03:42.660 is that they're kind of not real libertarians like you can be you can't really there's no it's 0.86

01:03:47.540 not you can't be a libertarian and be a pacifist but if you're a libertarian and a pacifist or a 0.99

01:03:51.380 faggot and a cuck and a loser because libertarianism is one of the only belief systems that gives you 0.98

01:03:56.460 the ability to put everything in terms of property and the bottom line of everything essentially is 0.99

01:04:01.240 just extreme violence so if you at no point you don't even get to violence you won't even get to

01:04:07.320 arguing with someone you're just all your answer is always like okay i guess all right okay maybe

01:04:13.180 this time like what well why are you why don't you just subscribe to a different ideology because

01:04:18.340 the whole point to this is no i i paid my taxes for a government that doesn't give me anything 0.92

01:04:24.020 back i'm white this is my town who the fuck are you i should shoot you this shouldn't even i should 0.58

01:04:30.840 burn this fucking building down like that's what a libertarian should be saying so don't call 0.83

01:04:35.640 yourself a fucking libertarian and be like well i guess i guess satan's allowed in the state 0.81

01:04:39.620 capitol i guess yeah well here's the thing just from the article tensions boiled over on thursday 0.61

01:04:45.340 when authorities said a christian and military veteran tore the satanic temple's statues head

01:04:50.400 off before surrendering to law enforcement to be booked with a count of criminal mischief

01:04:55.060 in a statement on facebook the satanic temple described the damage as being beyond repair

01:05:00.200 and i've seen the damage this thing was constructed with pool noodles for arms

01:05:05.960 it was literally like a cloak over like a pool noodle and a broom with like a bullshit like

01:05:13.300 goat head that you buy for halloween yeah so it's like it's it's beyond repair in the sense that it

01:05:19.760 was beyond constructed like it exists beyond the realm of a thing that has been built

01:05:25.660 i'll just read a quote from him this guy michael cassidy says the world may tell christians to

01:05:32.060 submissively accept the legitimization of satan but none of the founders of the u.s would have

01:05:37.060 considered government sanction of satanic altars inside capitol building as protected by the first

01:05:41.880 amendment now i don't even want to just like it doesn't don't even fucking not the founders 0.76

01:05:46.240 not the first amendment i understand the inclination to do that i think i think we're 0.90

01:05:51.840 still in a place in society where you could say i'm ripping down this satanic altar and people

01:05:57.340 generally will be like okay good idea like i don't think you need to build a case for like let's let's

01:06:03.320 build this statue commemorating satan down right we're not there yet where we need to like

01:06:09.640 red pill people on that it's important to distinguish why like if there was a satanic

01:06:14.540 sculpture the exact same sculpture with the same writing on it in wuhan china they wouldn't tear

01:06:20.600 it down because it doesn't mean anything to them. It does mean something to us because we're a

01:06:25.080 Christian nation or we were at some point in recent history. And there's a lot of people living

01:06:29.680 who see Satan as the great evil. The greatest is the personification of evil. Like whether that's

01:06:40.020 true or not isn't important. The important thing is, is it's part of our culture, man. Like you

01:06:44.580 can't, and then you're putting it in a fucking government building and be bad enough. It was

01:06:47.920 just on the side of the road but you're putting it in the state capital in the in the current um

01:06:53.960 the current milieu of statues our statues being torn down all over the place like they just torn 0.89

01:07:01.040 one down in the states at the va of who is it general lee i forget fuck i'm gonna get dinged 0.93

01:07:05.520 they tore one down like around almost the same day and yet knocking over the fucking satan is 0.65

01:07:11.200 apparently a crime that guy got arrested for that so yeah someone had made a good point 0.78

01:07:17.360 um i forget i forget who it was um someone can ding me on that we're getting dinged and danged

01:07:22.380 and donged all over the place here but they're saying that you know the next step it's kind of

01:07:27.780 obvious for the next step will be after tearing the statues which will be digging up confederate

01:07:32.220 grave sites and you know military cemeteries and just just incinerating the bodies of confederate

01:07:39.360 soldiers and i'd made a point like oh you know it won't stop there they will dig up these cemeteries 0.99

01:07:44.840 to desecrate them and they will build i believe i described it as a nigger museum and i mean that 0.99

01:07:51.840 literally over these gravesites they will build a museum to the word nigger and they will just 1.00

01:07:56.840 populate it with just one inter giant interactive humiliation ritual designed aimed right at the 0.98

01:08:04.520 confederate legacy that's what's going to be that's where this ends it maybe doesn't even end

01:08:09.080 there but that's what they start building that after they dig up the bodies to desecrate them

01:08:14.300 which isn't that far off um but i was just you know not laughing but shaking my head it's like 0.78

01:08:20.880 okay you've got satanic altars being erected in the state capitol you've got public gay sodomy 0.54

01:08:27.860 in the senate so this really does sound like a nation that should be struck down by god at this

01:08:33.040 point doesn't it yeah there's a lot of affronts going on i'm not trying to get too religious

01:08:39.920 Because we're going to end this episode in a distinctly righteous, fury, Catholic sort of way.

01:08:47.920 Yes, we are. 0.69

01:08:48.620 I just want to discuss that as I'm saying this, I am clutching a rosary.

01:08:55.140 Nice.

01:08:55.860 I am clutching a rosary that was sent to me by one of our listeners, a good friend of the show by the name of Yin.

01:09:04.960 Yin's a bit mad at us right now for theological reasons.

01:09:09.680 however she did uh mail us you you got one as well i need to give it to you next time i see you

01:09:16.060 a custom made rosary it was a blood satellite rosary with uh it's canadian themed it's red and

01:09:22.740 white um and she runs a business that where she makes these custom for anyone who wants one it's

01:09:29.440 called 44 rosaries 4 4 rosaries look that up you can find it on etsy um and she takes orders um

01:09:39.020 and so i just this isn't a paid endorsement this isn't she wasn't requested in any way

01:09:44.380 i just thought it was a very kind gesture and i really appreciated it and it looks to be made

01:09:50.100 very very well and i will warn you that she sent us cards letters uh one address to you

01:09:57.440 one address to me i'll hand that to you be forewarned that it is full of glitter nice

01:10:04.280 my favorite

01:10:05.860 my kids will love it

01:10:09.160 it's very

01:10:10.960 it's very her thing to do

01:10:13.040 like I think she did it as a joke or something

01:10:15.180 but yeah I'm recording this

01:10:16.940 having opened it before the episode I'm fucking 0.81

01:10:18.920 covered in glitter right now 0.91

01:10:20.760 and you know just as a man

01:10:24.900 with two daughters apparently it's something you never

01:10:27.060 grow out of

01:10:27.760 so again 44 rosaries check that

01:10:31.020 out if this is that's the sort of thing that

01:10:32.960 you're into i really like this one um on that same wavelength uh i mentioned this a couple episodes

01:10:39.260 back but i want to mention it again the blood satellite hats are still available the small run

01:10:46.260 that we've been doing there's two different designs two designs and three different colors

01:10:51.800 of hats per design so that'd be a red a white and a black and then they're trucker hats and they're

01:10:58.140 custom made artisan constructed with partnership that we did with a great friend of the show name

01:11:04.500 of mike of paul um he made those with uh these um leather patches that he laser etched with

01:11:12.400 designs that we worked on together one is a blood satellite logo and another is an image that i sent

01:11:18.180 him i like it a bit more it's more it's um the banner that we used to use for the youtube page

01:11:24.640 it's sort of like this weird esoteric chemtrails thing so we i'd say the logo ones are selling out

01:11:31.800 the fastest so if you want one of those go over to goodsuffer.com that's good suffer with a v

01:11:39.820 instead of a u you can order those there they tend to ship pretty quickly they not only were

01:11:47.000 they custom made for us we're handling all the shipping ourselves these are not print on demand

01:11:52.380 products so this is the first one of these that we have done so if you would like to support the

01:11:57.340 show and support this kind of extra effort and work being put into these products feel free to

01:12:04.160 get one of those they're made very well they arrived the first batch i sent out arrived

01:12:08.560 at the recipients everything is good even at this time of year in this season so

01:12:15.060 it's happy to hear that also two other pieces of show related news one is that we had a new

01:12:23.040 real secret coffee hours that was released on the paywall the paywall is located on patreon

01:12:29.780 and also on gumroad you can find the links to that on our twitter our telegram or on our website

01:12:35.920 bloodsatellite.ca so on the paywall you get the first 100 episodes of blood satellite

01:12:41.820 you also get our exclusive paywall show real secret coffee hours where it's more of we go

01:12:49.640 through articles and reader submissions um they tend to get pretty long one of my favorite ones

01:12:55.240 was where i went line by line through the techno optimist manifesto um i've got some real interesting

01:13:01.680 ones coming out in the next uh week or so i'm trying to i might have like a three hour long

01:13:06.900 one that's coming up for the end of the year um i was trying to get these done a bit quicker but

01:13:10.880 in true form they're taking up the remainder of my time a lot of these are like topping up at

01:13:16.740 two and a half hours yeah um similarly on the gumroad the way i was releasing the episodes

01:13:23.540 on gumroad was i would make a post i would attach the file release the post that would go on my

01:13:29.060 profile and also be sent to an email uh recently gumroad apparently redid how they structure

01:13:36.240 everything so for all of our subscribers um on there they didn't have access to the archive of

01:13:43.560 the show because you can't really access the posts anymore and there was no episodes that

01:13:47.720 were uploaded to like the content depository there but that's been remedied basically what

01:13:53.480 i'm saying is if you're if you ever wanted to go and join all the episodes are available not 0.71

01:13:59.280 in post form but just in one fucking download area separated by two folders and for anyone who 0.89

01:14:05.040 was confused about where to access them the confusing should be solved by now and this was 0.85

01:14:11.560 not a problem that the patreon subscribers would have experienced but also i had noticed that um

01:14:17.200 only the first 50 episodes are up on the patreon and that's been remedied as of the airing of this

01:14:24.420 episode so all 100 episodes will be on the patreon so everything is everywhere all at once nice um

01:14:31.120 And also one other piece of news I wanted to bring up was that we have friends over at the show Theopolitics and Psychopolitics and the Jefferson Lee show.

01:14:44.660 And it's by Tyler Hamilton and that whole crew.

01:14:48.400 Very popular channel on YouTube.

01:14:50.000 They lost their channel.

01:14:51.460 No real reason given.

01:14:54.180 No strikes or anything.

01:14:55.600 Just one day, boom, gone.

01:14:57.060 uh which is a great blow to them because they had a lot of subscribers on there

01:15:01.640 they're trying to rebuild their show uh their platform on rumble a lot of people who get

01:15:07.360 kicked off youtube go over to rumble so if people were a fan of him when i interviewed him on the

01:15:13.000 show we interviewed tyler uh many episodes ago um i work with him in various capacities so does a

01:15:21.160 good colleague of mine censored it on if anyone has any interest go find them on rumble they're

01:15:27.120 over there um i don't think there's a lot of people talking about it when these sorts of

01:15:31.960 things happen when people lose their channels that information doesn't get circulated so

01:15:36.840 i would just hope that you know if our youtube gets taken down which might happen soon actually

01:15:42.860 um i hope other people will spread the word as well because you just told me before uh we went

01:15:49.580 live that we've already received like two strikes on the youtube channel which we've been well we

01:15:53.480 got a we got a warning about a month ago and then we got a strike today yeah and the strike was for

01:15:59.900 the uh review of spiteful mutants by edward dutton and what troubled me was that there's been

01:16:07.580 episodes that we don't post on youtube because they're obvious red flags um some that were in

01:16:13.780 a gray zone because we've lost our channel before a couple of times so we're trying to do it safe

01:16:18.080 this time i've never gone to strike for that one before and what troubles me is that's one of the

01:16:21.940 better ones that's one of the ones where i'm like there there's no slurs i'm pretty sure there's

01:16:26.800 nothing obvious the only thing i think you had said the warning had said this that it's it can

01:16:33.240 be perceived as you know racist and hateful but i'm like from a pretty strictly like i don't even

01:16:39.820 think we talk about specific races at all i think we talk about dysgenics as a broad concept i think

01:16:45.940 we were literally just talking about distinctions between groups of people on a genetic 0.52

01:16:52.340 from a genetic context that's it but even that is like okay you're you're dinged ding yeah so

01:17:00.040 that's what causes me to say like well we're gonna fucking lose it eventually then because 0.85

01:17:04.040 we don't get any better than that like we don't yeah we got hit alt skulls interview because it

01:17:10.820 was covid related i'm like well fuck we talked about covid a few other times we haven't really

01:17:15.100 even gotten to the trucker protest stuff in the 0.78

01:17:17.040 uploads yet I don't think

01:17:18.840 but I'm like that's gonna

01:17:20.600 like I don't know we might have weeks left on that

01:17:23.140 depending so

01:17:23.960 hey if you guys

01:17:27.120 will be the first to know

01:17:28.020 alright that's all the show related stuff

01:17:31.200 as I said we're not gonna have an episode

01:17:32.900 next week it's the end of the year

01:17:34.520 Christmas New Year so this will be the last one

01:17:36.800 but next week expect a real secret coffee

01:17:39.240 hours to go up that'll hold you

01:17:41.180 over and hope

01:17:43.020 Hopefully that's enough, and we'll see you in the new year

01:17:45.880 just to tease that a little bit,

01:17:48.700 and we don't need to get too much into it right now,

01:17:51.620 but we were discussing this before the show.

01:17:54.400 I think the first show we'll do when we're back

01:17:57.860 is going to be a live stream,

01:18:00.600 and I think it's going to be us discussing the recent catastrophe

01:18:05.340 concerning the National Justice Party and the RightStuff.biz.

01:18:11.180 Nice.

01:18:11.660 Yeah, I know that's something you want to talk about. A lot of people have been asking us to talk about this. A lot of people are talking about it right now in various capacities. It's sort of a developing story. But I think it's something that we might dive into. Hopefully not too much in a vulgar way.

01:18:31.580 but i actually specifically not actually to talk about what what went wrong and how can it be

01:18:37.080 prevented and how can you know what one way to put it would be how can how can it be done again

01:18:42.680 but better this time right i'd like to treat it like a debrief like what did we learn yeah

01:18:48.740 without getting into sour grapes without getting into too much he said he she said stuff there's

01:18:55.840 stuff that's going to be unavoidable but i think there's a way to look at this to do what we don't

01:19:02.500 really do much of in this seed which is do proper debriefs um maybe that's something we don't do as

01:19:07.620 a society like we haven't really discussed what we learned from covid you know like we kind of

01:19:14.080 moved on from that we anytime something collapses or narrative ends very rarely do we like circle

01:19:20.120 back and say okay what now that it's book ended we got a beginning middle and end what do we learn

01:19:25.080 through this whole phenomenon that can inspire us or enlighten us in the future so there's something

01:19:30.760 there's a lot to be learned from this um and and i think it's gonna be very interesting and we'll

01:19:36.120 give you more information on that as it develops but that'll be in the new year

01:19:39.200 so moving on now there's a couple things i wanted to get to so there's a book i really really want

01:19:47.000 to talk about but i think it dovetails with this um article that i had seen someone passed this to

01:19:54.840 me and it'll sound familiar to listeners of the show because it mentions a book that we've talked

01:19:59.320 about before but this is on aaron wren.com it's written by aaron wren i believe this is a sub stack

01:20:07.060 that's made to look like a website but aaron wren.com uh the title is become illegible

01:20:13.520 become illegible and the subtitle here is in the negative world people should look at ways to become

01:20:20.360 less visible to governments and their entities this was posted in december of 2023 so it's pretty

01:20:27.160 recent so i'll just read some parts here and i'd love to get your comments on it as we're going

01:20:31.980 through because this relates directly to what we were just saying before and i think you'll probably

01:20:36.240 agree with the general premise here so it opens with the famous seeing like a state how certain

01:20:44.160 schemes to improve the human condition have failed is an influential book arguing for skepticism

01:20:49.800 about government programs to improve society and you know people may remember we did cover that

01:20:55.020 book quite a few episodes ago uh in pretty exhaustive detail it's a fantastic book i would

01:21:01.140 say it's my favorite book that we've covered on the topic of anarchism a lot of people wouldn't

01:21:07.400 call it an anarchism book but i would because it's it's very hostile to statism generally

01:21:15.380 um and it was basically what you were saying before which is that the vast majority of the

01:21:21.340 time a government tries to standardize or centralize some form of power it tends to go

01:21:26.740 wrong would that be correct yeah and i i said that that's politically agnostic i'm not saying

01:21:33.200 left-wing governments do that i think right-wing governments are equally uh party to that that's

01:21:38.420 just government that's just the fallibility of man essentially yeah yeah that seems almost just

01:21:44.980 anthropological that seems scientific you know i mean like it doesn't need to be ideological at

01:21:50.820 all um it says one of the key concepts is legibility uh one example of legibility is the

01:21:57.780 introduction of land registers in medieval society rights to land were governed by custom

01:22:02.640 were often not even written down and were highly idiosyncratic but by creating formalized land

01:22:08.840 ownership structures and registries centralized national governments were able to among other

01:22:13.600 things more easily collect taxes today everything about our society is designed around extreme

01:22:20.940 legibility it's not just the government doing it the author of the influential newsletter the diff

01:22:27.540 has one of the running themes of big tech sees like a state

01:22:32.440 the key idea is that if you are not legible to the government and other entities it is harder

01:22:39.500 for those entities to impose their mandates on you the legibility construct is something that

01:22:45.300 we should take into account in what i've called the negative world where for the first time in

01:22:50.840 400 years history of this country official society viewed christianity negatively this is perhaps

01:22:58.220 also relevant to non-religious political conservatives but i think within the context

01:23:03.160 of this article he's probably going to be citing the christian angle the most um he goes into and

01:23:10.300 i like that topic i'm curious to hear what you think about that so basically it's you know if

01:23:15.860 we understand how a state sees things the the task at hand is to make yourself invisible to the state

01:23:22.300 which seems to run counter to what a lot of uh our contemporaries would want to do which is create

01:23:28.540 big hulking organizations or make them as visible to the state as possible now what do you think

01:23:36.440 about that i'm so far on that side and i'm so outnumbered that i've stopped bothering to even

01:23:42.660 have the discussion but to me if but honestly it is so obvious that people who that people who

01:23:51.820 actually do want to create big public facing organizations to me it's a it's a joke it's a

01:23:57.260 big fucking joke but there's so many guys that think that that's still the way forward and they're 0.64

01:24:01.720 guys that i respect that i just i keep my mouth shut because i don't want to counter signal but 0.77

01:24:06.960 yeah i i think that the only way forward it absolutely is invisibility and illegibility

01:24:13.480 yeah yeah and i think that's something that many of us on our side come back to when they talk about

01:24:19.260 creating mutual aid networks parallel societies creating these ways to exist outside of the system

01:24:27.880 and how we just define the system differs for different people but i think we generally know

01:24:32.500 what that means when we say outside the system um and what we talked about before is how can you do

01:24:37.320 that effectively without being noticed eventually and the book we talked about not long ago uh called

01:24:45.860 the network state i think provided a model for that how you could use a decentralized model to

01:24:52.700 sort of accrue capital and and members of your group and leverage technology so that you can

01:24:59.840 kind of build something in the shadows to such a point that when you kind of do go public as a

01:25:05.500 group you you already have something like uh sovereignty something like you have the numbers

01:25:11.700 and you have the capital you need a moat i think they call it in business the idea that

01:25:16.440 by the time by the time you're starting to take on risk you have a moat or a defense built up

01:25:22.480 where if somebody when you make yourself a target and they come after you it's like oh wait a second

01:25:26.620 there's this many people and we don't even know their names and they're behind so many proxies

01:25:32.880 and but all of that is done two years in advance so yeah yeah and uh not to bring this back to the

01:25:40.340 example we were just talking about which was uh the national justice party uh but they seem to be

01:25:46.400 going about it that way which is like we want to create this big public facing loud ossified early

01:25:53.980 20th century sort of construct because that will provide legitimacy and i think the quest for

01:26:00.240 legitimacy and it's not just them who does this i think the quest for legitimacy sits high in the

01:26:04.760 minds of a lot of people on our side um and what i like about this model like the negative world

01:26:09.460 it's truly embracing like you will never go prime time like don't even desire that and your desire

01:26:16.180 to do that inhibits you in some way and and this will bleed into what we're going to talk about in

01:26:21.500 a second which is that this is how organizations operated for most of human history i would say

01:26:27.740 like informal fraternal networks affiliations uh you didn't always have like this like it's very 0.54

01:26:35.160 easy right now to like get real estate within the fucking a first world government and it's like i

01:26:40.480 have an office now i'm legitimate but if you didn't have that how would you build this sort 0.74

01:26:45.820 of decentralized network and have it be real have it be real in people's minds if you're not just

01:26:52.100 because a lot of people will put on the pageantry of an organization like i have a website i have a

01:26:56.700 logo i've got a mailing list this is real but it's actually it's less real than a bunch of guys who

01:27:02.280 just know each other you you picked you picked the low-hanging fruit that you could do without

01:27:07.100 actually building anything and then all of the real things that would demonstrate you know action

01:27:12.940 and growth you you're not actually doing any of those so you know i i think often back to that

01:27:18.500 book uh coup d'etat by edward lutwak when he says that by the time a coup occurs and the generals

01:27:27.700 or whoever it might be sees the throne sees the presidency um and they are like driving the tanks

01:27:34.420 up to the palace or the parliament um like those few hours where it's like that it looks like the

01:27:40.320 mission being executed he's like well that's the last step what you didn't see was the six to 12

01:27:47.360 months before that whereas laying the groundwork where like the coup isn't you driving up to the

01:27:53.400 palace on an empty street the coup is making sure that when you drive to the palace nobody stops you

01:28:00.140 it's making it it's spending the months and months of vetting people of creating this

01:28:06.420 network behind the scenes of secret winks and handshakes and offering things to people and

01:28:11.840 figuring out where they stand and making it so that the people who will stop you are neutralized

01:28:19.520 the people who might stop you are encouraged to show up late to work that day and the people

01:28:25.900 who don't really give a shit are kind of kept at a distance and assured that they'll be okay

01:28:30.700 right that's a lot of work but a lot of people see the coup being executed and say you know what we

01:28:36.180 need we need a bunch of tanks and guys in uniforms and we need to run up there and take it it's like

01:28:40.200 no no the taking has already happened this is just the last step it's like you know when you

01:28:46.240 march in the streets to celebrate something so we need more marches no you don't need marches

01:28:50.220 the march is the cherry on top of the sunday of the what was the movement you know what i mean

01:28:55.800 and we kind of miss that part on the right like we kind of get obsessed with the pageantry of things

01:29:02.300 and not the the hard work of just straight up relationship building which is kind of what this

01:29:07.580 is about and he gives an example here one example is the growth of informal men's retreats as i've

01:29:14.380 noted before all men's groups and organizations are heavily stigmatized in our society and outright

01:29:19.860 illegal in many cases church men's groups some remaining single-sex schools fraternities and

01:29:26.080 fewer the groups are basically what's left and many of them have a target on their back

01:29:29.760 witness the years-long jihad the new york times ran against the augusta national golf club

01:29:36.180 to bully them into admitting women what's more even if an all-male organization managed to exist

01:29:43.480 becoming a member of it could be hazardous to your health so to speak if the media decided to

01:29:48.140 make an issue of it as they've been known to do um so what i've seen developing organically in

01:29:54.460 response to this is men creating informal men's retreats these are not formally organized

01:29:59.920 institutions or networks rather they are friends or birds of a feather who get together for a quote

01:30:05.400 guy's weekend that is social but critically also has some professional purpose such as such has

01:30:11.880 has a typo such as having speakers giving talks on leadership or particular industries because

01:30:18.920 these groups are not incorporated they don't have official membership lists and may not even have a

01:30:23.340 name they are far less legible to society at large and this you know people might hear this and think

01:30:28.720 of oh this is what they do this is what like the the fucking presidents do when you hear about um

01:30:34.620 these these retreats like i'm trying to think of the name what's that one where they do that 0.94

01:30:38.860 fucking weird sack 0.95

01:30:41.000 the cremation of care 0.98

01:30:42.640 not Camp David no what's the one

01:30:44.780 well Camp David's one Camp David is actually

01:30:46.960 one where it is that you'll get

01:30:48.660 politicians but also industrialists

01:30:51.320 you get like just powerful guys

01:30:53.060 in a room and it's like well what's

01:30:55.000 where are they there for ah it's just a retreat

01:30:57.140 anytime you hear a retreat 0.67

01:30:58.880 there's some shit going on

01:31:00.120 Bohemian Grove I think you're thinking of

01:31:02.560 that's another one like people really get

01:31:05.020 attached to the cremation

01:31:06.880 of care and all these strange esoteric rituals which they should but absent that it's still like

01:31:12.260 all these important people just getting in a room unofficially and discussing official things

01:31:18.000 so it's what everyone else does which is what we don't do we think like well i need to start a

01:31:23.720 student club no they they need to like they the powerful people know how to make themselves

01:31:29.520 invisible you can also make yourself invisible too it might even be easier because no one gives

01:31:34.560 a shit about us um he says besides informal men's retreats another example might be house churches

01:31:43.180 i'm not necessarily a fan of these but they are a standard part of the repertoire in other 0.51

01:31:47.740 countries where officialdom is not entirely friendly to religion such as china something

01:31:54.580 like a house a house church or informal men's retreats don't make invisible but they do reduce

01:32:00.420 legibility um so basically like there's one example here i just love this he says

01:32:07.840 family or clan based networks are an example that in fact do operate in this manner in certain

01:32:13.720 domains or particularly low trust environments they can be extremely powerful for example

01:32:19.580 a group of ganjarati families from the town of palampur in india took over the antwerp diamond

01:32:27.240 mine from the orthodox jews i never heard about that i gotta look at that story based i'm looking

01:32:34.800 i just clicked that up on quartz.com how indian families took over the antwerp diamond mine from

01:32:40.340 orthodox jews well i don't think you could publish that title in quartz even implying that jews are

01:32:47.520 big into diamonds i thought could get you jailed oh this is 2015 when you could talk about that

01:32:54.000 anyway i won't go it's not a terribly long article um but i i like what he's grasping at there

01:33:01.320 i like the idea of illegibility which isn't you know you might not be able to achieve invisibility

01:33:07.760 but you need to make yourself blurred you need to find out how to make yourself censored to the eyes

01:33:14.700 of the state because you'll never truly be invisible but i think that's the way to look at it

01:33:19.220 And like I said before, this is commonly what you saw across time.

01:33:25.560 A lot of these official ossified organizations are kind of a modern invention.

01:33:31.940 And interestingly enough, we'll get into that in the future when we talk about the structural transformation of the public sphere by Habermas, which is a surprisingly interesting book.

01:33:42.160 I didn't know it would be as cool as it ended up being.

01:33:44.700 but what i'm going to do is connect this to a very very large book that i read recently called

01:33:51.440 logos rising the history of the ultimate reality by dr e michael jones now dr e michael jones is

01:33:59.760 a name that might be familiar to a lot of people on the right he's written a great number of books

01:34:03.500 and there could have been a lot of books i reviewed and there might be a lot of his books that we

01:34:07.260 review in the future and i'd like to um he's often quoted in our circles some people love him some

01:34:13.380 people hate him even on our side uh because he is a staunch catholic and a lot of people have

01:34:18.520 mixed feelings on catholics and he's very outspoken on many topics um he tends to be

01:34:25.960 very i would say what's a what's a word other than red pilled it doesn't matter red pilled

01:34:31.620 on he's very uh vocal on jews and um obviously anti-semitism however on subjects of race maybe

01:34:41.340 some of his stances are found wanting

01:34:43.720 and what you'll find

01:34:45.860 in this episode is after we discuss

01:34:47.760 his book we have an interview with

01:34:49.720 E. Michael Jones coming out after where

01:34:51.580 I discussed

01:34:52.880 some aspects of the book as well and a lot

01:34:55.800 of people were offering questions

01:34:57.960 to ask him

01:34:59.580 and one of the most of them

01:35:01.780 were concerning

01:35:02.840 some kind of

01:35:05.440 dust up recently

01:35:06.420 on race because he was arguing

01:35:09.660 against the existence of white people

01:35:11.560 or there's some kind of, you know,

01:35:14.100 the Irish were never seen as white.

01:35:16.500 One of those things you probably heard before. 0.72

01:35:19.160 So he maybe doesn't have,

01:35:20.860 I don't agree with him entirely on some issues,

01:35:23.320 but I think the reason I picked this book

01:35:25.820 was because I didn't know anything

01:35:28.700 about the concept of Logos.

01:35:31.400 Some people call it Logos,

01:35:32.580 some people call it Logos.

01:35:34.060 But I used to hear people bring it up a lot

01:35:37.760 a few years ago.

01:35:38.540 logos and telos and i was never completely clear on what that meant um and what i would ask people

01:35:47.540 you know what what do you mean logos they would give answers that i found insufficient they would

01:35:52.200 say oh it's just living in truth it's it's the word of god like i don't know what that means

01:35:57.200 what do you mean what's logos why is it not just the word of god and i never heard a good answer

01:36:01.440 so i actually just wanted to get this book and say okay let's get to the bottom of what we mean

01:36:07.440 And I wasn't expecting the book to be around 800 pages.

01:36:11.520 It's a very, very long book, but it's a very good book.

01:36:15.260 I had a great time reading it because the scope of this book reaches from present day

01:36:22.960 and the work of Michael Jones back to the birth of Christ, back into antiquity, back

01:36:29.040 into ancient Greece.

01:36:29.860 It discusses the concept of Logos from a theological perspective in relation to the time before Christ and the Greeks and a more ancient metaphysics.

01:36:41.060 And I found that very interesting as well.

01:36:43.320 And I just wanted to preface it with that and say that, you know, a lot of people listening to the show aren't Catholic.

01:36:48.660 And I don't think you need to be to appreciate this book because it's an interesting concept, I think.

01:36:54.380 And throughout the book, it touches on the Enlightenment.

01:36:57.140 It goes through the development of the concept of Logos as it encountered the European Enlightenment up into the modern day and the transformation of this concept and how it evolved.

01:37:07.460 Yeah, shouldn't use that word, but evolved over time.

01:37:11.300 And there's a lot to like there.

01:37:12.680 And I think even if you're not Catholic, you can find something interesting in this metaphysical overview.

01:37:19.600 So what I am going to have a lot of quotes in the book, a lot of passages I have here.

01:37:23.640 I'm not going to be able to get to the entire thing.

01:37:25.240 But I'm going to hopefully give a pretty good overview of what Logos is and some of the more interesting conflicts it had over time.

01:37:36.600 But in Greek, it says, in the beginning, there was Logos.

01:37:41.920 In other words, there was order at the beginning of everything.

01:37:45.840 Now, this is a statement.

01:37:48.920 It seems obvious, but it's not obvious.

01:37:51.480 And what we're talking about is roughly a thousand years of the best and the brightest engaged in a debate and meditation on what this means.

01:38:03.820 He starts with this segment here that I found really interesting.

01:38:11.260 I'm just going to read it.

01:38:12.580 He says, a man was returning to his home in Belfast one night at the pub when he was stopped in the street by a group of armed men who asked him, are you a Catholic or a Protestant?

01:38:25.260 Since it was dark out, the man could not tell by their dress whether the armed men were members of the IRA or the Royal Ulster Constabulary.

01:38:34.080 He said, I'm an atheist, to which one of the armed men said, are you a Catholic atheist or a Protestant atheist?

01:38:40.160 if he responded by saying that he was an english atheist he might have been shot

01:38:44.300 atheism has deep roots in english culture one might say that atheism is the core belief

01:38:49.720 of the english ideology i like that that little line there because it implies that even the the

01:38:56.380 religion extends beyond faith you know like are you are you a prostitute atheist or a catholic

01:39:03.280 atheist i like that i think a lot of people even people who are listening now might say like well

01:39:09.080 i've heard people say i'm culturally protestant you know and some people might not know what

01:39:14.460 they mean but i think if you think about it a lot of people who don't have any sort of christian

01:39:18.780 faith will still feel that they exist within that paradigm in one way or another especially

01:39:25.440 if they're american and they just don't want to live in constant rebellion against that

01:39:30.980 so i'm going to give a whole shotgun blast of stuff here and and judas as someone who was

01:39:38.160 raised in the church i'd love to hear your thoughts on this as i kind of go through this to

01:39:43.660 hear if this makes any sense or if you think this is all bunk or whatever so by the way before i

01:39:50.600 start like are you familiar with this concept of logos at all i'm same as you man i keep hearing

01:39:56.100 it around and i don't i haven't looked into it so i always want to know if this was like it's

01:40:02.140 talked about a lot in catholicism but i want to know if it was like also a baptist or a protestant

01:40:06.080 or a lutheran thing but anyway he says the logos was both god by nature while simultaneously a

01:40:14.480 distinct person specifically the second person in the holy trinity the god the son of the holy

01:40:19.700 spirit that's basically what john meant when he said the word was with god and the word was god

01:40:25.760 the term with god signifies a distinction in person but not in nature god was logos in motion

01:40:34.360 which meant that logos wasn't just a plan logos was a person who had the power to put the plan

01:40:40.400 into action the universe has a logos which unfolds over the course of history

01:40:46.620 if the lex eterna of the logos understood as a static plan providence was that plan in action

01:40:54.740 reaching its telos over time providence is not merely a plan is the fulfillment of that plan

01:41:01.360 in time the logos acts out of love and so providence is the plan put into action to the same

01:41:07.440 love which moves through the stars and planets um he frames it like this the father is the one

01:41:14.160 who generates the father and the son are one however the father is not the son because the

01:41:20.800 one who generates is not the one who is generated the prologue articulates this relationship when

01:41:27.760 saint john writes the word was with god and the word was god this passage demonstrates both the

01:41:33.600 distinction of the word from the father and the consubstantionality of the word with the father

01:41:40.640 logos is not an impersonal order of the universe it is a person in relation with other persons who

01:41:47.120 are distinct but share the same divine essence which is synonymous with their existence there

01:41:53.120 There's no distinction here between thought and being as there is among human persons.

01:41:59.100 The word and being are consubstantial.

01:42:01.460 The words in the beginning at the opening of the prologue of the gospel of St. John

01:42:06.040 refers to the immutable state of God's being.

01:42:10.020 Basically, what he's saying here is like you think of the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit.

01:42:13.540 What is the Holy Spirit?

01:42:14.640 The Holy Spirit is Logos.

01:42:16.420 What the fuck is Logos?

01:42:18.280 Logos, it's like the word of God, but not something created by God.

01:42:22.700 It's like something that exists alongside God as like the essence of creation.

01:42:28.680 You read in the Bible, in the beginning there was the word.

01:42:32.280 Well, Logos does mean word.

01:42:34.120 That's true.

01:42:35.160 But if you say in the beginning it was the word, I haven't the faintest idea of what you're talking about.

01:42:40.540 Okay?

01:42:41.280 And then you say, and the word was with God, and the word was God.

01:42:46.020 Okay, I still don't understand what you're talking about.

01:42:49.080 And I did not understand what he was talking about until I got to college and I started studying Greek.

01:42:56.460 And then I suddenly opened the Liddell Scott Greek Dictionary, and there are five pages of English equivalence to the one Greek word, logos.

01:43:07.400 And I suddenly realized there is a whole universe, literally, behind this word.

01:43:13.020 Logos literally talks about the order of the universe. 0.95

01:43:17.660 This is what the Greeks did on their own. 0.93

01:43:20.480 The Hebrews had God as their tutor. 0.62

01:43:23.320 God would talk to the Hebrews.

01:43:24.960 God spoke to Moses face to face.

01:43:26.960 And when Moses asked him who he was, God said, I am who am, which means I am self-subsistent being.

01:43:35.780 Does that make any sense?

01:43:37.460 I realize that now that I'm saying it, this might sound highly metaphysical.

01:43:42.300 It does sound highly metaphysical.

01:43:46.720 yeah it basically traces the the that that's sort of like the metaphysical philosophical approach it

01:43:53.560 goes back to the ancient greeks it says the ancient greeks understood that man was different

01:43:57.720 from all other animals because he could speak the word they used for that rationality was logos

01:44:04.100 which is also the word for speech discourse language and other related concepts logos is

01:44:10.840 quote the word or that by which inward thought is expressed um so really what we're talking about

01:44:18.300 here is like the root of language when he talks about logos okay logos is the word of god well

01:44:22.760 what's the word of god well it's language right so it comes down to the importance of language

01:44:27.920 and communication and we've kind of talked about this before uh when we did our studies even with

01:44:33.240 marshall mccluhan about like language as a form of expression but that form of expression fundamentally

01:44:40.020 changes that which is doing the expression so an interesting way of thinking about like the word of

01:44:46.020 god would be like god employing a type of media and that media effectively changes the nature

01:44:53.560 of god like the creator using creation which changes the creator in a sense um and he describes

01:45:01.640 it here communication requires two human beings and a language that allows them to communicate

01:45:06.720 effectively immediately language can grow in vocabulary and sophistication once it exists

01:45:12.880 but cannot evolve from something that is not evolution in other words can play no role in

01:45:19.440 the cognitive revolution it's an all-or-nothing proposition which necessitates creation as its

01:45:25.360 cause because all the parts parts being man and rationality and speech had to come into existence

01:45:31.600 out of nothing simultaneously in order to function so this is kind of a common christian belief that

01:45:39.680 you can't you can't just create something out of nothing you know and and that's where these

01:45:44.880 thoughts get really really deep and so it's like you can't just a single person can't develop

01:45:51.120 language you know you need two people to have a language to generate the this idea of communication

01:45:57.760 and absent that how does communication or how does linguistics emerge so how does like the

01:46:03.600 act of creation itself or the act of communication begin in a universe where there is nothing right

01:46:14.000 and and he makes a good point he says um there every time that scientists are trying to teach 0.65

01:46:19.200 gorillas how to speak this was the main reason they were doing it he says the excitement

01:46:24.160 surrounding washoe the line saint uh the sign language gorilla had more to do with darwinism's

01:46:30.780 unfulfilled hopes that any ability of human speech could jump downward over the species barrier with

01:46:36.500 which separates humans from animals so this is something goes into in the book which is like how

01:46:41.520 how distinct proper language is to humans um and people are trying to say well you know animals

01:46:49.120 have their own language and one of the ways they could prove this or they thought they could prove

01:46:53.360 this was by like we can teach a gorilla to learn sign language and sign english but i think it's

01:47:00.740 widely believed now that that was all bullshit that uh what they thought the animal was trying

01:47:06.960 to communicate it was more like it learned that when it did a certain sign people got happy or

01:47:13.000 got something but there's actually no evidence that it could cognitively grasp what it was saying

01:47:19.000 you know i mean especially since the signs were so simple um it can never really express complex

01:47:25.380 thoughts and it was down to the interpretation of the subjective interpretation of whoever the

01:47:29.780 interpreter was so you know if if it if you cannot teach an animal complex human speech that does

01:47:37.360 mean that speech is distinct to humans which in his mind strikes the heart of the darwin darwinian

01:47:43.280 project um or um not the darwinian project i should say the dawkins project like richard dawkins

01:47:52.320 and what's interesting is he makes a case in the book that i found interesting

01:47:56.480 um he says that what makes the and a lot of people might agree with this what makes the

01:48:04.080 christian but also the western understanding of history distinct from a lot of traditional

01:48:09.920 cultures is that it's linear and not cyclical and a lot of even the indo-european ancient peoples

01:48:16.560 would see everything is cyclical indians still see time and that's the kali yuga and all things like

01:48:22.620 that whereas um logos the concept of logos allows us to believe that time is linear and that it's

01:48:32.940 there's distinct points that don't always just repeat again and again and again

01:48:37.700 He makes a case that to understand Logos was to understand God, whereas human beings, they lacked the metaphysical or philosophical tools to even ascertain what God was or the enormity of God or the abstractness of God.

01:49:00.600 They can only understand God in very literal terms, in very pagan terms, and that you needed the Greeks and you needed these very distinct epochs in time to sort of elevate people's minds to such a level where they could grasp the concept of God, the concept of a singular God and a God that existed in this sort of abstraction.

01:49:24.440 like yeah it's clear that you can know by natural reason there's a god you can't know whether he

01:49:31.080 cares about you right and chances are he doesn't because why should he i mean if you're perfect

01:49:36.800 why do you care why do you need anyone else and that was pretty much aristotle's god plato

01:49:41.820 wasn't happy with this plato was more humanistic less scientific more humanistic in his approach

01:49:47.500 and he came up with a a a demiurge the worker of the people that's god was the worker of the people

01:49:55.840 and he cared for you but he wasn't transcendent because he was working for the people and so you

01:50:03.540 had a bind here and this is where it ended basically you had two um visions of god that

01:50:10.980 contradicted each other no one could resolve it and that was it it's that's the way we left it

01:50:16.140 that's the way philosophy was. And Alexander wasn't interested in moving philosophy forward.

01:50:24.720 He was interested in conquering the world. And in doing that, he was acting according to God's

01:50:30.180 plan. So what you have here is both things at the same time, the development of Logos to a certain

01:50:38.720 point and then it fails and also the notion that logos is moving in history and that god can take

01:50:46.640 uh someone like alexander and spread it around spread this idea around even if it isn't perfect

01:50:53.520 it could the original conception of gods would have been like they're these entities

01:50:57.600 that have desires and you must meet those desires or you're punished they couldn't comprehend of like

01:51:02.400 god as a manifestation of creation itself that's personified not only in the universe but also you

01:51:10.600 distinctly and that means that you are different than animals because you can create in the way

01:51:16.540 that animals cannot whereas modern science would try and level everything everything's animals

01:51:22.320 everything is chaos um there is no morality everything is amoral whereas prior to that

01:51:28.700 everything, you know, human beings were unique because of, and it treated, I think we are in a

01:51:34.800 sense returning to that. And I mentioned this when I talked to E. Michael Jones, that when we are

01:51:41.060 doing our studies into quantum mechanics, we talk about string theory and string theory isn't that

01:51:48.240 popular anymore, or at least it's highly debated, but there is the concept of quantum gravity that

01:51:55.240 we were talking about and diving as deep as we can into the quantum realm to look for what

01:52:01.380 fundamental particles or whatever would be responsible for gravity because we don't know

01:52:04.720 and uh one uh model that they had for the universe was like as because like what what is the universe

01:52:13.400 what is time what is all this stuff and it was saying that you know what the universe is is like

01:52:17.800 a giant calculator that calculates and remembers quantum states um and like the way they described

01:52:25.340 it was almost like an operating system but it could also be interpreted as a mind you know if

01:52:29.980 you wanted to go down that road it's like this this really weird strange abstract mind that's

01:52:36.060 that's uh calc and has some kind of memory called spin foam you can go back to the um

01:52:41.860 episode where we discuss what that is um so it seems that like once you once you drill down to

01:52:49.000 the bottom a lot of these scientific problems you kind of re-emerge in this this space where you're

01:52:54.840 talking about like the importance of language like as we get into ai as we get into creating

01:53:00.900 you know learning machines we understand how important communication and language is and we

01:53:06.120 talk when you go about information theory like what what is speech it's not just sounds you make

01:53:10.860 with your mouth it's just a media that you use to implant an idea in someone else's head and when

01:53:16.500 we even talked about jf careppi's book like what is a meme is a meme a life form and is is speech

01:53:23.260 just like a survival mechanism for our dna you start you start conceptualizing in all these

01:53:29.560 interconnected ways and it's that interconnectivity that i see expressed here and that's what i find

01:53:36.440 interesting and what a lot of people would say is like oh you think god is just like a big man

01:53:40.840 in the sky it's like no it's 10 times it's 10 000 times more complex than that when you actually

01:53:47.620 think about it logically but his case was that human beings couldn't do that until uh we arrive

01:53:55.540 at the greeks who start introducing a more complicated metaphysics and introducing this

01:54:00.280 idea of logos which means like truth expressed through speech and we take that idea and that

01:54:06.200 evolves over time in through aristotle and through the modern era which takes on a different form

01:54:11.700 with thomas aquinas but all along the way human comprehension is also developing and we can more

01:54:18.160 we can more accurately comprehend more complex systems and so he said that's what's distinct

01:54:24.540 about sort of the christian outlook which is that this is all linear this is all one state development

01:54:30.680 it's not just cyclical this just this whole process doesn't just reset and so that was what

01:54:36.380 was distinct about the uh the death and resurrection of christ like that's a universally historic

01:54:43.200 moment that just doesn't repeat every 10 000 years that's just a hard demarcation in the

01:54:49.840 history of the universe and things get better or worse from there but i i thought that was just an

01:54:56.180 interesting way of looking at what do you think about that is making any more sense now it's kind

01:55:00.360 probably have to look at it more to understand it like you're saying before it's really on the edge

01:55:04.740 of like the edge of understanding in terms of metaphysics and it's very it involves everything

01:55:10.980 right so well he talks about the the history of the concept of logos as it traveled throughout

01:55:16.460 the world because we can track how these philosophical concepts traveled in writing

01:55:22.000 he says um so the changes that took place in india had more to do with language than with race he

01:55:27.980 says the progress of logos through asia follows the movement of the indo-european language india

01:55:34.420 perhaps the prime example of a culture which could not maintain its hold on the logos of its origins

01:55:40.260 after viewing monotheism from afar india descended into the jungles of polytheism never to emerge

01:55:47.060 since fallen man wants what he wants he's willing to create subsidiary deities and demons who are

01:55:53.480 more amenable to ends which the one god would find contemptible such as the death of enemies

01:55:59.240 the sexual favors of someone else's spouse etc the egyptians were defeated in their metaphysical

01:56:05.660 quest by their own holy language or hieroglyphics because it was insufficiently abstract even more

01:56:12.840 than the chinese pictogram egyptian hieroglyphics was made up of pictures representing things for

01:56:18.480 an egyptian to conceive of something he had to come up with a picture representing that concept

01:56:23.080 this was easy enough when it came to everyday experience and the word for dog could look like

01:56:27.600 a dog but it was disastrous when it came to describing something like god which had no form

01:56:32.840 because the egyptians were unable to break the concept of mat out of its in encrusted

01:56:38.200 encrusted form as cosmological myth like the egyptians they left behind the hebrews found

01:56:45.500 it difficult to worship a god which had no form and so they fell into idolatry almost immediately

01:56:51.240 saying of the golden calf they made here is your god israel who brought you out of the land of

01:56:56.680 egypt the israelites became carriers of a new truth in history but they did so reluctantly

01:57:02.200 and to a large extent passively without understanding the implications of the leap

01:57:07.480 of being that set them free he says in contrast to gilgamesh the iliad takes place in the broad

01:57:15.300 light of day where gods debate their course of action like the human beings upon whom

01:57:20.620 they are clearly modeled they can determine the course of human events within the bounds allowed

01:57:25.660 by fate or moria moira the god behind the gods whose power overruled the gods and could delay

01:57:33.020 what was fated but not prevent its accomplishment eventually the concept of logos would mature

01:57:39.220 until it stood in judgment over the behavior of gods themselves provoking on a religious crisis

01:57:45.660 which would eventuate in the death of Socrates

01:57:49.880 and bring an end to that phase of history.

01:57:54.960 It says, Logos creates community

01:57:57.300 because knowledge of Logos allows man to know his place in the cosmos.

01:58:01.680 And once he knows that, he is on his way to understanding

01:58:03.860 his relationship to his fellow man

01:58:05.640 because the cosmos is the manifestation of the invisible universal divinity.

01:58:11.300 The cosmos is the sign of the invisible God.

01:58:13.980 those who understand this share a common logos which becomes the basis of all true community

01:58:21.500 without a logos man would be forced to admit that all our predications are subjective

01:58:26.620 accidental momentary aspects and that all our addresses are homonymous and there would be

01:58:33.260 neither any sense or any appeal to the principle of non-contradiction logos is therefore the basis

01:58:40.220 of the social order because it connects humans with disinterested wonder and innovation

01:58:45.260 and with the leisurely satisfaction of their natural desire for knowledge

01:58:49.100 that is with philosophy which is a form of love he's got an interesting thing here when he talks

01:58:55.100 about uh after the death and resurrection of christ uh saint paul he basically had to go around

01:59:03.500 uh and preach the gospel to different people uh and he talks about in the book how he had to like

01:59:09.340 tailor the gospel to different audiences he says saint paul had to speak to both jews and greeks

01:59:17.560 when he spoke to the jews he explained how jesus was the fulfillment of the promises made to the

01:59:22.800 hebrews throughout history but when he spoke to the greeks he cited poets like

01:59:27.300 epimenides who claimed that the logos was the unknown god in whom all we lived and moved and

01:59:35.220 had our being so that's interesting i like that part where like as when he's pitching a christianity

01:59:41.360 to the greeks he's doing it from strictly from a philosophical point of view um to make christ's

01:59:49.200 identity clear john took the concept of logos which had been in existence for 500 years and

01:59:55.220 reworked it in light of what he knew about jesus christ to provide the vocabulary which brought one

02:00:01.220 of the great cycles in human history to a close and a new era into being based on an enchanted

02:00:06.980 understanding of what went before and that's what i really wanted to establish with the concept of

02:00:11.540 logos which was it wasn't invented by christians it wasn't invented by the apostles it was this

02:00:19.680 it was invented really with the greeks it was in existence for 500 years but it was adapted

02:00:25.820 to kind of explain this new type of God to people that had never really heard of something like that

02:00:33.060 before? Peter couldn't. Peter didn't speak Greek, but Paul did. And so Paul went over there,

02:00:40.480 and this is the moment. We have to be able to speak to the Gentiles now, and the Gentiles

02:00:46.660 speak Greek. And so he goes over there, and he has this big moment in Athens at the Areopagus.

02:00:52.840 and he stands up there and he says i want to tell you about this man

02:00:58.400 this man rose from the dead and at that point everybody says oh okay well we'll talk to you

02:01:05.600 some other time and they walk out he failed this was the first speech that he made to the

02:01:11.040 to the greek greek world and he blew it and why did he blew it blow it because he couldn't

02:01:17.700 address their concerns this is a new group of people you can't start off the way saint matthew

02:01:23.860 did by giving a genealogy of hebrew uh hebrew genealogy because they don't know who these

02:01:30.900 people are and i'm saying in my book the center of my book logos rising is basically that i think

02:01:37.940 saint john was aware of this and saint john uh knew about the failure at the area because he

02:01:45.620 knew that this was a new era he knew that they had to have a new way of approaching the the

02:01:52.460 greek-speaking gentiles and so he came up with the prologue to his gospel um and he says it here

02:02:00.500 and this is part where some people might take objection but i just found it interesting because

02:02:05.260 this is the whole linear framework i was talking about he says christ in other words paid honor to

02:02:10.800 the logos of history by waiting until the logos of metaphysics was in place because without that

02:02:16.740 quintessentially greek vocabulary no one could understand much less explain who he was god as

02:02:24.760 the greatest of the greek philosophers had come to understand him was by definition totally

02:02:29.500 transcendent the world was totally imminent god was totally comprehensible but could not be

02:02:35.860 perceived with the eye said rome had called the world to order so that it could learn a lesson

02:02:41.720 in greek i thought that was a cool line uh as pope leo the great would put it divine providence

02:02:47.460 prepared the roman empire so the effect of divine grace might be distributed throughout the world

02:02:53.260 so anyway and some people you know take objection that stuff but i do i i think it's kind of cool

02:03:00.060 thinking of like you know the roman empire needed to exist and in sequence to allow people to reach

02:03:07.660 this point where they could understand something sufficiently abstract and he kind of summarizes

02:03:14.060 it all here he says according to monoism god was the universe and the universe was god the stoics

02:03:20.260 and the neoplatonists took steps in the direction of a coherent worldview but neither was successful

02:03:25.600 in reaching the goal logos was an essential part of a law ordered world when later thinkers placed

02:03:32.400 the platonic forms within the mind of god a certain stoicism contributed a noble ethic which

02:03:40.540 joined the unmoved mover with its doctrine of the imminent logos and its providential operation

02:03:47.320 of the world when combined with the thought of aristotle plato paved the way for the ultimate

02:03:52.940 acceptance of the one transcendent

02:03:55.100 eminent God. Because

02:03:56.940 it was a historical religion, Christianity

02:03:59.020 based these claims on historical

02:04:01.240 fact and not myth.

02:04:03.340 The logo was made flesh.

02:04:05.600 He lived among us. I thought

02:04:07.040 that was what was interesting that, you know,

02:04:09.300 even people who aren't Christians

02:04:11.060 I think will often talk about

02:04:13.080 the rise of Christianity and how it

02:04:15.000 occurred. And I think

02:04:16.900 even,

02:04:18.780 I want to see if you can view this

02:04:21.020 from a non-Christian perspective

02:04:22.760 and also find it valuable and interesting and i like that one line which is that the the christian

02:04:29.360 faith was actually based on historical events some people still debate whether or not it was

02:04:34.620 truly historical i think i think the jury is in that jesus did exist and he was killed you know

02:04:41.840 i mean like there's not even a serious debate about that whereas um historically most religions

02:04:48.360 were placed so far back in the mythologized past they almost had no bearing on our history as we 0.54

02:04:55.660 know it but i think that's what's interesting about christianity it's like even with islam in

02:05:00.700 a sense you could do that but you can place a date and a time within linear time about when 0.73

02:05:05.960 this stuff happened which makes it a bit more real and a bit more imminent that's my feeling

02:05:09.840 it's a bit more literal it's like saying he lived among us like the jesus is like the word

02:05:18.120 right and people will often think of it it's it's like the same thing it's just a different

02:05:22.980 manifestation of that thing you know he says it here the clear understanding of creation of an

02:05:31.660 as an act of god in time destroyed the pagan notion of circular time once time had a direction

02:05:37.560 it also had meaning because like the well-formed tragedy uh which aristotle described in his

02:05:43.240 poetics it had a beginning a middle and an end the incarnation was a one-time event it was not

02:05:50.020 an example of a recurrent process which repeats itself again and again ad infinitum in the

02:05:55.700 eternal recurrence of the cosmic cycle and then one of christianity's main contributions to our

02:06:01.560 understanding of world history can be found in its understanding that time has a meaning and a

02:06:06.760 direction human history is made up of periods each which end uh each of which is possessed by

02:06:13.420 particular intelligible structure and therefore uh of basic particular requirements the birth of

02:06:19.000 christ is introduced at arbitrary and irrational element into an orderly development of logos

02:06:24.780 that began with fails and ended with aristotle um he actually has a part here about the quran

02:06:32.660 that i found interesting i know we gotta get going soon i just wanted to read this he says

02:06:36.500 because they lacked an abstraction which was a salient feature of the greek language the authors

02:06:43.220 the quran ended up proposing something deceptively concrete namely the book which is the quran itself

02:06:50.160 as a substitute for the concept of logos instead of the logos becoming flesh the word of god

02:06:56.040 literally came down from heaven in the form of a book which was the closest approximation to the

02:07:01.600 a greek term john chose as the best description of god's nature to say that logos was god smacked

02:07:07.500 of blasphemy and so the authors of the quran deified a book instead making it the source

02:07:12.760 of all knowledge i thought that was actually a pretty comprehensive explanation of how

02:07:19.300 islam differs from christianity like i think christianity has a more advanced concept of

02:07:25.960 logos and creation and the word of god versus like just worshiping the this book you know what i

02:07:31.640 mean yeah um he says muhammad capitalized on the absence of an arabic translation of the bible by

02:07:38.980 creating a new book which summarized jewish and heretical christian beliefs in a language which

02:07:44.360 gave the arab-speaking tribes national unity and therefore political power which the caliphs then

02:07:50.200 projected outward through military conquest he has a line here the failure of science to develop

02:07:55.600 in the islamic world has puzzled historians for decades when europe was in the midst of its dark

02:08:00.640 ages struggling to survive centuries of barbarian invasions islamic scholars had access to the texts

02:08:06.720 of aristotle and their commentaries on his works became the standard textbooks in the west

02:08:12.160 when european culture finally stabilized however if the primary obstacles to the scientific

02:08:18.000 revolution were external in europe they were internal in the islamic world because of their

02:08:23.520 heretical understanding of god's nature derived from nestro nestro nestoranism islamic philosophers 0.92

02:08:32.360 lack the theological firepower to counter aristotle's philosophy um i think that's a good

02:08:40.380 overview of like what demarcates islam from the west because you know islam they always say like

02:08:47.140 oh yeah we while you were in your dark ages while you were hiding in your caves it was 0.80

02:08:51.320 the caliphs who who shepherded your your legendary works into the through the ages and understood

02:08:58.560 them and translated them it's like well yeah then why didn't you read them it's like yeah thanks so

02:09:03.760 much for like watching my cat while i was on vacation but um it's still my cat you know yeah

02:09:10.020 like there's something missing you didn't create it you didn't change it or add on to it and even 0.83

02:09:16.240 now hundreds of years later you're all still illiterate goat fuckers so i mean i don't know 0.79

02:09:22.260 how that's a flex yeah and he kind of talks about the layers like when and this is again a distinctly 0.84

02:09:27.980 catholic overview but um the concept of logos evolved once again with thomas aquinas because

02:09:37.160 thomas aquinas was attempting to integrate you know enlightenment era principles and

02:09:43.620 and rationality into the concept of logos not evolve it but bring it up to date in a sense

02:09:50.260 and so that's something that could be apprehended by the catholic church but it couldn't be

02:09:56.080 apprehended by the islamic faith they don't know how to not change with the times but like

02:10:02.020 have have this like really deep concept travel with the people as the people are kind of

02:10:09.420 developing as well some people see that as a bad thing and that's the counterpoint that you know

02:10:14.060 if you just keep changing through time like is any is it really that solid and the counterpoint

02:10:20.360 of course would be the current state of the catholic church you know we have to talk about

02:10:24.760 that like you know you can very clearly see that the pope is trying to keep up with the times and

02:10:31.460 retranslate to fit the the language of the current era but in that you kind of betray

02:10:38.780 what its essence is and so you know i don't have an easy answer there um but anyway i that's

02:10:46.480 it's a very very long book and there's a lot i didn't get to because um there's an interesting

02:10:52.280 part when we get to uh the section on hegel's dialectic and how that attempts to you know one

02:11:00.720 of the themes of his book is how a lot of these philosophers have lutheran priors or catholic

02:11:06.860 priors and a lot of these philosophies that eventually became you know runaway successes

02:11:13.080 as ideologies um they came from a distinctly religious background like uh he says that the

02:11:21.640 hegel his dialectic couldn't have emerged from anything other than a lutheran mind

02:11:26.840 and he says that not just because he hates

02:11:29.060 Luther. I think a couple

02:11:31.100 of times he describes Martin Luther as

02:11:33.120 a dark, shadowy figure.

02:11:36.460 I

02:11:36.840 interpret that as a bit comical

02:11:39.240 because he's a bit of an irreverent guy, but

02:11:41.260 as a Catholic, he's not a big

02:11:43.380 fan of Martin Luther.

02:11:45.320 Or Martin Luther King, because

02:11:47.420 it's E. Michael Jones.

02:11:51.200 Yeah, so I hope...

02:11:52.840 I don't know if that clarified anything, because

02:11:55.160 um to tell the story logos you almost have to go through the entire history but i i think

02:12:00.380 i think i understand it when he would say like the logos is the word of god but to understand

02:12:05.360 the word of god you have to understand what words are you have to understand what language is and

02:12:10.980 that gets into everything from information theory to quantum mechanics if you want to follow that

02:12:15.340 down all the way to the bottom but a communication like as an as a force or entity in itself

02:12:22.880 that exists in symbiosis with that which is speaking it and like even Marshall McLuhan

02:12:30.020 would say like the extension of yourself in that form of media necessarily changing you

02:12:36.420 as you employ it like that's a very modern way of interpreting it but in that same sense

02:12:42.020 that Jesus Christ wasn't like the father he didn't he didn't like give birth to Jesus

02:12:49.480 it was a manifestation of this one creative force and that logos is the creation but providence is

02:12:57.380 sort of like the like logos is the desire to create and providence is that desire to create

02:13:04.740 inaction and and he actually likens that to love as well and they say like oh god is love well what

02:13:12.060 does that mean and you maybe i'm hard-headed but i need this explained in very clear concise 21st

02:13:20.280 century canadian terms like what does that mean yes and you say well love in this sense is the

02:13:25.600 desire to create it's the desire in essence the desire to reproduce the desire to create something

02:13:32.560 out of nothing the desire to bring something into the world just for the sake of wanting to

02:13:38.860 bring it into the world you know i mean and in that sense that you know true love is reproductive

02:13:44.380 love and that's where you get into heterosexuality that's where you get into marriage that's that's

02:13:48.380 where all this stuff is manifested in marriage which is why heterosexual which is why the

02:13:54.520 catholics are so big into not using contraceptives because the manifestation of love must always be

02:14:00.700 the creation and in this sense the creation of life that's why they're so big on that 0.99

02:14:05.100 which is why homosexual marriage is such a fucking affront to that very concept that you could like it's it would be like the fucking you know if you're you you're a fan of art that's like every time you see a urinal in a museum an art museum you're like this is a mockery that's why we only bless the gays yeah that's what exactly flash forward to now it's like okay we're gonna bless these gay unions when in fact they should be 0.93

02:14:35.080 yeah i'm not gonna say but we don't have the pope for what needs to be done yet 0.86

02:14:42.780 but you know a lot of christians uh they'll tie themselves into like uh pacifist gordian knots

02:14:50.660 about how well it's like well in a sense this is providence so if everything collapses that's god's

02:14:56.360 will so we shouldn't do anything now i don't accept that i don't accept that like well

02:15:01.280 you know we deserve this everything it's that belief that everything that's happening now we

02:15:07.040 deserve it because of our moral failings i would believe that well we can still fight our way out

02:15:11.720 of it because we only deserve it as long as you deserve it we only deserve it as long as we

02:15:16.420 believe we deserve it if you fight against a state of affairs then you don't necessarily deserve it

02:15:22.180 it's just you know you're trying you're not accepting it the moment you accept it

02:15:26.480 then you deserve it

02:15:28.080 that's my belief anyway

02:15:30.040 maybe we'll come back to this in the future

02:15:32.600 anyway this is a very

02:15:34.520 very strange one to end the year off

02:15:36.480 but I stand by it

02:15:38.760 no worries man

02:15:41.360 he says here

02:15:42.640 I'll just end with this he says

02:15:43.680 divine providence then has

02:15:46.160 its extreme remedy at hand

02:15:47.660 God allows the nation to fall back

02:15:50.140 into the feral condition from which it arose

02:15:52.320 after the fall

02:15:53.440 once the nation becomes corrupted by the barbarism

02:15:56.260 of reflection nothing can save it from the new beastly state of nature that so uncannily resembles

02:16:02.460 the state capitalism of our day rome was able to delay the decline by holding firm to religion

02:16:08.800 marriage and property as the three bulwarks against greek skepticism but even rome succumbed

02:16:14.400 to the same power of ideas anyway i'll let that go now um thanks for taking the time and bearing

02:16:21.140 with me on this i hope i did a good job you're doing good all right merry christmas buddy

02:16:26.560 merry christmas merry christmas talk to you soon

02:16:29.080 i am here speaking with an esteemed guest someone i've been trying to speak to for some

02:16:50.740 time and getting ready for. I'm here with Dr. E. Michael Jones, which is a name which will be

02:16:56.260 familiar to a lot of you. But for those who don't know, he's the founder of Culture Wars magazine.

02:17:02.260 He's the author of several books, including a few that I'm very familiar with, Libidio Dominandi,

02:17:09.200 The Sexual Liberation and Political Control, The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit. And most recently,

02:17:15.880 the most recent one i have read and what i think we'll talk most about today is logos rising history

02:17:22.160 of the ultimate reality um and he's also the host of the emg emj live show on bit you so with that

02:17:31.220 having been said um first of all thank you very much uh dr jones for speak with me and did i miss

02:17:36.240 anything in there in the intro no that's fine that's uh that's you covered enough thank you

02:17:41.920 for having me wait all right all right let me let me just say my most recent book is the holocaust

02:17:48.420 narrative and you can find that at fidelitypress.org or culturewars.com do not go to the

02:17:56.800 search engine just go straight to there because i am blocked on all the search engines and you

02:18:02.900 were also quite not long ago banned from amazon that's correct right right so you can't find me

02:18:08.740 on Amazon. So don't go, don't look there. Which, you know, a lot of independent publishers and

02:18:13.800 smaller publishers, they say, and I sell books on there too, and I know they gouge you on prices

02:18:18.160 anyway. So it's probably better to go through Fidelity Press anyway, just to get value for

02:18:22.840 your money. That's right. That's right. And you can, and please, please do not spend $500 for my

02:18:29.940 book or a thousand dollars from my books. They are all available for the normal retail price

02:18:36.160 at fidelitypress.org. I had a guy who was getting rich, buying my books and selling them for 10

02:18:42.940 times the price. He got conscious by them. He sent me a check for $500 for all the money he'd

02:18:47.920 gouged. Wow. It is good that he sent you the money though, because I hear about people who

02:18:53.020 just do that and just make off with it in the night. The Holocaust narrative, if you wanted 0.94

02:18:59.200 to just quickly speak on that, I was checking out the Cultures Wars website and just saw it

02:19:03.280 advertised there. I assume from the title, people can guess what it's on, but did you want to just

02:19:08.320 give it a quick blurb about what inspired you to do that? Yeah, it was my training as a literary

02:19:14.600 critic. I decided that the best way to deal with this issue is to examine the artifacts that

02:19:22.120 created the narrative. And that's pretty much what I do, beginning with the propaganda films

02:19:28.000 that were created right at the end of World War II.

02:19:32.980 The first literary productions like Diary of Anne Frank,

02:19:40.080 you know, try to put that in the historical context

02:19:42.640 and then just go through one after another.

02:19:45.720 The Catholic narrative was one of the first at the beginning.

02:19:52.040 Father Lenz's book, Christos in Dachau,

02:19:54.440 has established basically, at this point, Dachau was the paradigmatic concentration camp.

02:20:01.320 It was founded in 1933, the same year that Hitler came to power, years, almost 10 years before

02:20:09.360 Auschwitz. And all the early books were talking about the Catholic presence in Dachau.

02:20:16.060 That book, Lenz's book came out in 1955. Three years later, the Jews hijacked the narrative

02:20:22.460 when François Mauriac, a French Catholic, came up with a book called Nuit, or Night,

02:20:30.200 as it came to be known. It was basically his translation into elegant French of a Yiddish

02:20:36.200 memoir, Un die Welt hat geschwiegen, by Elie Wiesel. That hijacked the narrative. At that point,

02:20:43.200 Auschwitz became the paradigmatic camp and the Jews became the main protagonist. That was not

02:20:48.640 the case before that. Anyway, I discovered all the way up to the present, one artifact after

02:20:55.000 another, the creation of the tropes, and more importantly, how the narrative gets weaponized

02:21:02.340 politically. Well, it's funny that we haven't obviously gone as deep as you have on these

02:21:07.660 issues, but on our show not long ago, we did a similar review of Knight. It would have been the

02:21:14.260 english translation most recent one but if you know anything about the history of that book a lot

02:21:19.760 of people might have read that book in high school so they look at it with a teenager's mind or a

02:21:24.380 child's mind but if you read that book with an adult's mind and you're aware of the history of

02:21:28.860 all the revisions and the story and how even modern historians say well big chunks of this

02:21:34.860 are impossible but even the way it's written is very fantastical and mythological and you're

02:21:39.880 reading i'm like oh there's no way this is real like there's lots of premonitions and miracles

02:21:45.500 and oddly enough no gas chambers no gas chambers no that that was not part of night so this makes

02:21:54.320 alymysel a holocaust denier yeah the book is fascinating because the only thing what i recall

02:22:00.120 the book do telling the story because you know maybe there was he was in a concentration camp

02:22:04.120 somewhere, but the only individual that was really killed in the book was a Jew in the

02:22:10.980 concentration camp, and he was executed by the Nazis for stealing from all the other Jews,

02:22:15.680 because he was a dentist, I think was the story. Yeah, we did way back when in Culture Wars 0.51

02:22:24.260 magazine, Professor O'Connell from Georgia State, he's a professor of French, did an article

02:22:33.340 exposing what François Moriac did here, the whole real story behind the writing of that.

02:22:40.780 And we published it in Culture Wars magazine. And immediately, Debbie Lipschtheit jumped in

02:22:47.000 and accused him of Holocaust denial for doing scholarship. This is what the university is

02:22:53.240 supposed to do, right? He's a professor of French. Moriac wrote this book in French.

02:22:58.240 and she jumps in and she tried to get him fired. And to their credit, they did put him on a kind

02:23:05.300 of trial, but they said, this is scholarship. We're not going to fire the guy. And so Debbie

02:23:09.360 Lipstadt was thwarted. If you let people like this in, they will throw you in jail because they

02:23:15.540 can't defend their own narrative. And it was funny. I know there's other individuals in this

02:23:21.620 scene, like guys from, you know, the right stuff.biz and all of them. They made the joke one

02:23:27.380 time they're like look we're doing what you said we should do which was take this seriously we we

02:23:32.760 went and we read all the stuff we read all the things and if you explain this to regular people

02:23:38.600 they'll think you're lying like if i tell you about a night and say oh he won the nobel prize

02:23:44.340 it was taught in schools as fact for a long time and then but if you say what's it like no

02:23:49.320 there's no way that's the story because people have never really looked at it with an acute

02:23:55.640 eye for this sort of thing anyway yeah that's exactly the paradox here in other words you

02:24:01.440 have to read my book but you can't talk about it well wait a minute why am i reading it then

02:24:08.460 if i can't talk about it it's true maybe you know what um and i'm curious maybe we could start with

02:24:15.840 this and i don't want to spend too too long we don't need to on the whole jewish thing but um

02:24:20.900 I'm sure it's been of keen interest to you to see the narrative begin at least momentarily to shift in the popular zeitgeist.

02:24:29.500 It seems that now more than ever, at least for mostly non-whites, I would say, but like, you know, there's lots of people who can be very critical and open, openly critical about Israel and these sorts of things.

02:24:43.160 Is this historically unique to you with someone who's had a bit more experience seeing these things with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and whatnot?

02:24:50.900 No, it's been going on for 75 years.

02:24:54.280 I'm the same age as the state of Israel.

02:24:56.720 But it's only gotten worse.

02:24:58.320 And now the point is it has become unavoidable.

02:25:02.000 We just can't ignore it anymore. 1.00

02:25:04.160 The Israelis have turned the entire world against them. 1.00

02:25:08.540 And something serious is going to happen. 1.00

02:25:11.300 This can't go on forever. 0.98

02:25:14.680 That's why I felt that I had to write the book, because the Holocaust narrative is the 0.83

02:25:19.020 founding myth of the American empire. 0.79

02:25:20.900 it's the it's the state religion the government pays for holocaust museums the government doesn't 0.76

02:25:27.520 pay for catholic churches or anything and if you're going to become an fbi agent it's mandatory

02:25:32.920 to go to a holocaust museum so this is the state religion it's funny that uh you know i always try

02:25:39.340 and say that if um you know you're successful in making these points if you can make them to your

02:25:44.860 mom you know my mom's not a political person but if i can get her wrap her head around this then

02:25:49.320 of means i've done a good job so i would say to her i'm like don't you think it's odd that in let's

02:25:54.340 say america the two most oppositional political parties maybe in american history who can't even

02:26:00.080 agree on what gender is seem to both be in consensus about the importance of israel like

02:26:07.180 that's that's the one thing not only does everyone agree on but you're not allowed to disagree on it

02:26:12.560 isn't that weird yeah and they go huh that's interesting that's interesting yeah that's

02:26:18.780 right all right so what i wanted to talk about and actually had some uh questions submitted from

02:26:25.080 friends the show who'd actually read logos rising as well um and i didn't get to finish it i'm at

02:26:30.320 around page 600 i'm gonna try and i was trying to get it done for the interview but um i was taking

02:26:35.780 such copious notes and we're also going to cover the book on the show uh in a book review so i

02:26:41.280 wanted to maybe that'll be the launching off point but i wanted to see in your words because i might

02:26:46.340 do a bad job butchering some of the concepts um we've covered the concept of logos on this show

02:26:53.200 and i've heard that word thrown around a lot in this sort of political milieu that we're in a lot

02:26:58.800 people talk about logos but i was never very clear about what it was i was wondering if you could

02:27:03.220 provide and this might sound like a big question a short summary of what logos is and maybe what

02:27:10.140 it is in the context of the modern mind who maybe can't grasp some of the the depth of it because

02:27:15.840 for the listeners this is like a 750 page book going back deep into time explaining the history

02:27:21.980 of logos so this might be a big ask but if you can explain what logos is yeah well it's the greek

02:27:27.280 word for word uh speech uh the order of the universe and so on and so forth i saw uh i found

02:27:37.100 i discovered this you know when i was studying greek as an undergraduate and you go to the

02:27:42.400 Liddell, the Scott, the Greek dictionary, and suddenly it's like pages of equivalence.

02:27:49.620 And at that point, I realized I had to use this word. I couldn't use any one of these

02:27:56.180 translations because none of the individual translations did justice to the concept that

02:28:01.500 I needed to use. And the best example was what I consider the turning point in human history.

02:28:09.580 Obviously, the arrival of Jesus Christ on earth is the turning point in human history.

02:28:14.680 But the gospel that St. John wrote was in many ways a turning point as well, because

02:28:19.080 he began it by saying in Greek, in the beginning there was logos.

02:28:25.600 Now, normally this translation is, in the beginning was the word.

02:28:29.260 I heard that for years, never knew what it meant.

02:28:32.600 I don't know what that means.

02:28:34.020 I don't think anybody does.

02:28:35.040 And if you go to other languages, in Principio erat verbum, well, that's Latin.

02:28:41.100 That's the same thing.

02:28:42.520 Am Anfang war das Wort, same thing in German.

02:28:46.100 You have to go back to the Greek word to understand the depth and wealth

02:28:52.560 and the magnitude of what it covers.

02:28:57.880 And it's interesting that I didn't expect this book to be parallel so much

02:29:03.020 to what we'd been discussing on the show prior to this because we had a long arc every episode we

02:29:08.560 tend to review a book um that i read and take notes on and try and explain it and we'd done an

02:29:14.620 arc on language and linguistics and especially in terms of information theory and communication and

02:29:21.260 these really deep concepts about like what communication is how it functions what is

02:29:26.440 language the importance of language because you know to the lay person they might just see language

02:29:30.880 as oh it's just sounds you make with your mouth but anyone who understands the importance of

02:29:36.540 language knows that it's almost the entire essence of your being even from a political standpoint

02:29:41.780 the fact that different people speak different languages speaks to their worldview and their

02:29:46.600 character and so this idea that you know in the book you go into explaining this in relation to

02:29:52.800 the holy trinity and about how like the the logos it and the word isn't just a sound that god makes

02:30:02.600 it's this entire it's like an entity that is at once with god and kind of moves through him is

02:30:09.500 that a bit of a clumsy way of well yeah so so yeah the greeks so saint john wrote the gospel

02:30:16.220 in greek and by doing that he basically appropriated all of greek philosophy and the greeks

02:30:22.000 beginning when they made their final comeback. There was a catastrophe in the Aegean, in the

02:30:29.260 Mediterranean world around 1300, 12, around that time, where civilization just collapsed.

02:30:37.200 And then it made a comeback. It also corresponds roughly to the destruction of Troy. And some

02:30:42.680 people see that as an analog of that. But anyway, when they made a comeback at around 800,

02:30:47.580 it, the Homeric poems were written down, and then you had Thales, who came up with the understanding

02:30:54.120 that there must be some type of unifying factor here, because it's a cosmos. That's another Greek

02:30:59.760 word. It's an ordered universe. And he said, well, it must be water. And obviously, it's not water,

02:31:08.340 but it was the idea that there is a unifying factor that led these people on to come to more

02:31:15.180 and more sophisticated, which is understanding of that order, the unity of the universe.

02:31:21.760 And in order, before they could really get to where they needed to go, they had to break with

02:31:27.100 picture thinking. In other words, they had to break with some type of material as the fundamental

02:31:33.520 basis of the universe. They had to break with water. One of them said it was air. One of them

02:31:38.640 said it was fire. Heraclitus said it was fire. But even then, he was the one who started to

02:31:44.240 make the big leap into abstraction by saying that it was Logos. In other words, there's a

02:31:50.140 fundamental order here, and the mind can apprehend that order, and therefore we can come to certainty

02:31:57.760 about certain things in life. And you made it fascinating, I believe it was in this book,

02:32:02.740 because sometimes I get my wires crossed, because we'd also discussed Marshall McLuhan prior to

02:32:07.420 this. And he discusses sort of the advancement from, again, pictorial hieroglyphic thinking

02:32:14.480 to a phonetic alphabet, which allows one to apprehend more abstract thoughts. I think you

02:32:22.320 had made the argument early on the book that it was this sort of almost philosophy that was required

02:32:28.800 to pave the way for human beings to even grasp the concept of a monotheistic God. Because we

02:32:35.720 We weren't ready to understand an idea that complex

02:32:40.840 until the language had to evolve to sort of circumnavigate it.

02:32:45.260 Does that make sense?

02:32:47.200 Yeah, you needed to break.

02:32:49.420 You're right.

02:32:50.200 You needed to break with pictures.

02:32:52.320 So I made the point, another book that's related to this

02:32:56.280 is The Dangers of Beauty.

02:32:58.600 And I begin that book with the cave paintings

02:33:01.200 in Altamira in Spain.

02:33:03.420 And I make the point that this was probably a place of worship.

02:33:08.800 It was probably the first temple.

02:33:10.800 And at that point, there was probably no difference between a picture and writing.

02:33:16.620 And I think the intermediary stage was hieroglyphics, where the word cat is basically a little picture of a little cat.

02:33:23.940 You had to break with that.

02:33:25.200 You had to break with that kind of picture that you had to move into the realm of abstraction.

02:33:30.400 and that's that's when the this philosophical terminology came into being in greece and pretty

02:33:38.040 much pretty much nowhere else i mean it did every every there was around the same time they were

02:33:44.300 talking about there was a breakthrough across the world and you did have this suddenly this

02:33:50.680 understanding of this overarching unity there was a word for it and the uh the hindu term was urta

02:33:58.080 and the Chinese term was Dao, but it never developed. It didn't really develop there

02:34:06.300 the way it did in Greece. That's what led people to talk about the Greek miracle. Dawson talks about

02:34:11.820 the Maracle Greek, because it did develop there. And God, Christianity honored this 1.00

02:34:18.720 by incorporating it into the scripture. I mean, that's quite an achievement because they had to

02:34:25.280 have an abstract language. And Hebrew wasn't that. Hebrew was not that abstract language.

02:34:31.840 Hebrew is the exact opposite, where you're talking about God as a rock and, you know,

02:34:36.640 the Lord is my shepherd. It's always very concrete and can't deal with God other than 0.92

02:34:47.520 an analogical. Everything about God is analogical, but could not. The only exception to this

02:34:53.580 was when moses talked to god directly and go ahead i was gonna say what's interesting is

02:35:01.780 you point that out because that's something i've always tried to wrap my head around because um

02:35:06.440 my understanding and this might be me speculating too much but i always found within the rabbinical

02:35:11.980 tradition and within like talmudic readings it always seemed that god was something that jews

02:35:17.320 were trying to outsmart or they were trying to find loopholes in like it was something they 0.80

02:35:21.800 wanted to get their hands around and make a deal with or something. And they could never just have

02:35:27.760 it be anything that is beyond what they could grasp in a sense. That was the problem. And that's

02:35:33.760 why they always fell into idolatry. That's the essence of what idolatry is. You want to order

02:35:38.720 God around. And I'm saying that when Moses had that confrontation, this is the drama that's

02:35:46.860 going on right now. So he has this confrontation with God and says, well, tell me who you are.

02:35:51.540 and he says, I am who am. I wager today, I don't think Moses understood that. I don't think any

02:35:58.960 understood it. Anybody understood it until Aquinas came up with the idea of self-subsistent being,

02:36:05.580 in other words, being that didn't depend on anything else. So the minute he comes to this

02:36:10.560 revelation, breaks through, it is not Hebraic. It's not Hebraic at all. It's metaphysical.

02:36:17.380 It's Greek, if anything.

02:36:20.220 And the moment he gets, he comes down and he's ready to explain it.

02:36:23.780 And they're all worshiping idols because they can't stand.

02:36:27.980 They just don't want this transcendent God.

02:36:31.680 They don't want to raise their minds to him.

02:36:33.520 They want to bring him down to their level and have him do their bidding. 0.97

02:36:36.780 And that's been the constant struggle among the Hebrews. 0.96

02:36:41.240 And what's interesting is, you know, I'm a, you know, modern 21st century Canadian guy, 0.62

02:36:47.760 you know, so I tend to approach things very rationally as a lot of young people are like,

02:36:51.960 it's very difficult for us to really penetrate some of these ideas. You know, when someone says

02:36:56.660 like logos, what is logos? It's the truth. What does that mean? You know, when they say God is

02:37:00.840 love, like, I don't know what that means. What I liked about your book is that it explained it

02:37:05.940 very very plainly that could appeal to a mind like myself or allow me to penetrate these ideas

02:37:11.360 and what i like when you'd said you know in the beginning there was the word and again this might

02:37:16.620 be a very clumsy approximation of the idea but the way i understood it was like the word the language

02:37:23.080 the logos almost as an entity in itself is like the essence like it is the unifying feature of

02:37:30.680 existence because it's like creation itself. And when they say love, love is the passion for

02:37:37.740 creation. And that is what procreative love is. Like what is love if not to procreate and further

02:37:45.400 life itself? A, is that correct? And B, I guess just A, is that correct?

02:37:52.820 Yeah. Gravity is love. It's the force that holds the universe together. But the big change,

02:38:00.120 So, okay. I said in the book that I think basically St. John wrote this aware of St. Paul's failure at the Areopagus because he gave the wrong speech. He was talking to philosophers and he was talking to idol worshipers. And he needed to correct that. And I think John was the correction.

02:38:20.480 So he begins by saying, Logos is God.

02:38:23.600 We know what you're talking about.

02:38:24.760 Logos is God.

02:38:26.240 And that was incredible.

02:38:29.440 That's what St. Paul should have said at the Areopagus.

02:38:31.920 Now I understand what you're saying.

02:38:33.860 And then he says, okay, now that I have your attention, I'm going to take it even further.

02:38:37.720 And Logos was with God, and Logos is God.

02:38:42.100 Well, wait a minute.

02:38:43.000 Now that's really a lot to think about.

02:38:45.260 And the point is, once you say Logos is God, it's not just geometry.

02:38:51.940 It's a person.

02:38:53.940 And it's a person who can put that geometry into action.

02:38:58.120 And that's human history.

02:39:00.460 And that's what we're involved in.

02:39:02.680 Yeah.

02:39:02.880 And what's interesting about your book, because it is a book about history, the history of

02:39:07.940 Logos and the Logos of history.

02:39:09.500 And so, and we've covered this somewhat on the show.

02:39:13.100 we had this book um crisis of the european mind by paul hazard which is about uh the enlightenment

02:39:19.820 and sort of how the enlightenment turned into from a movement of reason to a movement of just

02:39:25.860 this like criticism criticism that's always outward facing and deconstructing everything

02:39:30.880 but um i actually i have a couple questions here because before i forget we have a friend of the

02:39:36.900 show by the name of Trouble. And I'm just going to read the questions as they were submitted

02:39:43.060 because we were talking about St. John. He says, ask him if St. John was really at Ephesus and if

02:39:50.120 that changes world history or brought Logos forward. I'm not sure what that means. Does

02:39:55.160 that make sense? Yes, he was at Ephesus. He was there with the Blessed Mother. And Ephesus was

02:40:01.040 also where Heraclitus lived, 500 years before that. So he updated Heraclitus when he wrote

02:40:08.520 the Gospel of St. John. He updated, he baptized Heraclitus.

02:40:16.640 Fantastic. And I actually have another question I got from him, and I'll say it before I forget,

02:40:21.500 once again, by Trouble. He says, ask him what he thinks of the literary critic Harold Bloom's

02:40:26.860 quote, that the three greatest figures in Western literature are Yahweh, Hamlet, and Jesus. And if

02:40:33.960 he thinks secular writing can have a divine spark. Of course it can. Of course it can. That's the

02:40:41.700 point of the dangers of beauty. Beauty is a transcendental. The good, the true, and the

02:40:50.580 beautiful. There are three transcendentals. What they do, each one of them puts you in the presence

02:40:56.740 of the divine. And probably the one that puts you there, makes it most accessible, is beauty.

02:41:03.500 There's a divine spark in beauty. Every time you see beauty, something beautiful, you're

02:41:08.120 apprehending an attribute of God, a transcendent attribute of God. I hope that answers your

02:41:14.020 question, Trouble. Moving on, back to Logos Rising specifically, like I was saying, what I like to

02:41:20.600 about Logos Rising is it tells a very detailed and intricate story of how our understanding of

02:41:26.240 the Logos was not only kind of subsumed by rationality in the Enlightenment, but kind of

02:41:32.800 fractured into its own theological space. And it kind of fractured into materialism over here,

02:41:38.580 and theology over here, and atheism over here. And I was wondering, and this again, a big question,

02:41:45.380 do you envision sort of the re-synthesizing of Logos into the Western world at any point,

02:41:52.040 like it used to be. Yes. It's happening right now. My book is going to be the vehicle of this.

02:41:58.580 If you get to the end, you'll see my megalomania becomes obvious there.

02:42:04.700 Because I traced the movement of Logos in human history to E. Michael Jones. Okay. So you're

02:42:12.000 kind of getting there. The link, the most recent link was Notre Dame University.

02:42:17.480 um this is the movement of logos across the atlantic took place in the 20th century

02:42:24.260 french tomists like uh etienne gilson and jacques maritain brought tomism which i think is the

02:42:31.920 movement of logos in human history uh the uh over to universities uh they tried to get maritain a job

02:42:40.700 at uh university of chicago robert hutchins and uh mortimer adler the jewish thomas uh tried to

02:42:52.600 get him a job this was the great moment for american history uh it could have been they

02:42:57.580 thought that it was like analogous to what happened in constant at constantinople when

02:43:02.540 the turks took over that they had to take the books out of constantinople and put them in

02:43:07.580 Western Europe. Well, now the Turks were taking over Western Europe. This was the year of the 0.98

02:43:11.360 Second World War. And so they brought it to America. So this was the great moment. They 0.99

02:43:16.820 tried, they couldn't get Mary Tanne a job at the University of Chicago. Gilson had given lectures

02:43:26.040 at Harvard. The Americans knew intuitively that they didn't have a philosophy. It was pragmatism.

02:43:32.520 And Hutchinson realized, this is stupid.

02:43:34.540 This is not a philosophy.

02:43:37.020 They needed Thomism because it had the metaphysical depth and foundation that America needed.

02:43:42.540 America was a country that was based on Calvinism.

02:43:46.500 And the great Calvinist was Jonathan Edwards.

02:43:49.120 And he gave a sermon called Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God.

02:43:52.440 And he compared man to a spider dangling from a thread.

02:43:56.580 God's holding the spider over the fire, which is hell, by this gossamer thread.

02:44:02.900 And Edward says, you have nothing to stand on.

02:44:05.900 That is the absence of the metaphysical tradition in American culture.

02:44:10.860 And it became apparent in the 1930s, and they killed it.

02:44:15.960 The anti-Catholic bigots killed it, and so it went to Notre Dame.

02:44:20.280 And then Notre Dame strangled it in its cradle.

02:44:23.860 There's a long story you can read in the book.

02:44:26.580 And it comes down to the man, the last, the last ditch, the last man in the last ditch was Ralph McInerney. And the story, you know, I knew Ralph McInerney and it had failed that Notre Dame killed Thomism. And Ralph was the last guy and he was dying and he basically put the mantle of Thomism around my shoulder. So this is it. You're talking about the cutting edge of Logos and human history. I'm bringing it back.

02:44:53.000 now i wonder um i've noticed again you you've had a pretty long time horizon with this sort of thing

02:44:59.920 you've probably seen a lot in your many years of advocating for this stuff and you've written a lot

02:45:04.460 about the catholic church throughout history and that's partly due to your controversial stance

02:45:09.420 within that church specifically i'm a catholic myself um and i you've probably seen various

02:45:15.020 movements you know even in the culture right now trying to popularize catholicism you know

02:45:20.440 on the America First side of Nick Fuentes and whatnot.

02:45:23.420 But there's also some news that seems to be driving some people away from the Catholic Church.

02:45:27.140 I'm wondering, is the power and the reputation of the Catholic Church essential for this revolution of the Logos?

02:45:38.360 Do we need to fix the Catholic Church essentially for this transition to occur, in your opinion?

02:45:44.280 The Catholic Church is the cutting edge of Logos in human history.

02:45:47.920 And that began with St. John, which we've already discussed. 0.57

02:45:52.280 And it sets things in motion to take on a life of their own, but it usually invariably comes back to the Catholic Church because that's the vehicle of Logos.

02:46:04.840 Now, you're right.

02:46:05.660 We're in a very bad situation right now, very bad.

02:46:09.620 And it has to do with another book I wrote called The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit.

02:46:14.600 I could have written that book without the word Logos.

02:46:17.160 I wrote that before I wrote Logos Rising, because the whole turning point in human history

02:46:22.080 from the perspective of that book is basically when Jesus Christ arrives on earth and the

02:46:28.840 Jews have to decide, do we accept him as our Messiah or not?

02:46:33.620 Jesus Christ is the Logos incarnate. 0.97

02:46:38.420 The Jews had to either accept him or reject him, and what they decided was to kill him. 0.97

02:46:44.460 You killed the Logos incarnate. 0.97

02:46:46.760 Now, not all Jews, but the Jewish people killed Jesus Christ. 0.66

02:46:50.680 That doesn't mean that the Blessed Mother yelled, crucify him.

02:46:53.980 The Jews who accepted Jesus Christ are known as Christians.

02:46:57.420 The Jews who killed him are known as Jews. 0.80

02:47:00.220 And they became revolutionaries, which is an attack on Logos. 0.98

02:47:04.620 And that's what they've been ever since.

02:47:06.880 So this is another understanding of the whole movement of human history

02:47:11.380 that is impossible to understand unless you use the word Logos.

02:47:14.820 and it this is you can't you can't have this understanding of logos simply on your terms or

02:47:23.680 on natural terms because god entered into human history and he is the logos incarnate and that

02:47:31.420 changed human history forever and i've gotten into this uh you know i've spent time in iran a lot of

02:47:39.740 time in iran and had a lot of conversations with one was with an iranian woman long conversations

02:47:46.640 with her on the internet and so finally she she was living in exile and she's you know she said

02:47:53.920 well i'm not a muslim anymore so i said well what are you and she said well i don't know

02:48:00.600 and i said well you know and then she's telling me well what else is there and i said well you

02:48:07.400 become a catholic you're living in france there are still churches there i think uh and uh

02:48:15.380 and uh she said what do you mean i said well you got to get baptized and she flew into a rage at

02:48:21.400 that point and said you you lied to me you said we were going to talk about logos i am talking

02:48:26.680 about logos it developed in a different way that i didn't no one anticipated that type of development

02:48:34.340 up to that point that the idea of logos was platonic and saint augustine was the guy who

02:48:41.540 you meditate on forms and your mind rises into the eternal realm of forms well it didn't work

02:48:49.620 because he was burdened with concupiscence all the sins he had committed just weighed his mind down

02:48:55.180 but you didn't have to do that anymore anyway because jesus christ came down

02:48:59.640 You're never going to change that bump in the road.

02:49:02.840 You have to accept it.

02:49:04.640 You can't just have philosophy anymore because Jesus Christ is the Logos.

02:49:09.560 We're talking about Logos, and the Logos entered human history and changed everything because of that.

02:49:15.900 Yeah, and in Logos Rising, the part that I found most fascinating was the story of that separation,

02:49:22.340 where originally we had this sort of universalism of Logos,

02:49:25.460 which then split into philosophy and then split into philosophy and materialism on through Hegel.

02:49:32.860 And I think one of the parts I found most fascinating was the part about Hegel,

02:49:36.080 which led into the part about Nietzsche as well. But I had one question here. I have a point.

02:49:42.620 Recently, we covered a book by Harold Innes called Empire and Communication. And it's about

02:49:49.720 communication in kind of an abstract sense. He made the claim, and we'll get into the dialectic

02:49:55.220 in a second but this is how i start that the dialectic as we know it uh found its its roots

02:50:02.640 went all the way down to the socratic dialogue and his whole story his whole thing is about

02:50:07.500 oral tradition versus written tradition about how oral leads to the written tradition

02:50:11.400 um that oral tradition is a different mindset as opposed to kind of what we've been talking about

02:50:16.200 but he said that the or the greek oral tradition was codified in the socratic dialogue and elevated

02:50:23.560 to almost the defining characteristic of the Western soul and that the dialectic, the Hegelian

02:50:31.620 dialectic has its roots way, way, way further back. Now, I was wondering, what do you think

02:50:35.500 about that statement? And I know that in the book, we talk about how the dialectic kind of was

02:50:41.780 designed to destroy Logos as we knew it. Is that true? What do you think of the statement I just

02:50:47.400 said? And do you see the dialectic as sort of the antithesis to Logos? No, no. First of all,

02:50:56.440 it's simpler than that. Hegel, Fichte, Schelling, they were Lutheran theologians. They all went to

02:51:05.000 the same school pretty much. Certainly Schelling and Hegel did. And so they're studying Lutheran

02:51:11.180 theology. What's the heart of any theology, Christian theology? It's the Trinity. The

02:51:16.680 Dialectic is based on the Trinity. It's that simple. It doesn't have to go, it doesn't go

02:51:20.360 back farther than that. Now the Trinity, you're talking about something that is extremely profound.

02:51:26.080 It's as profound as it gets. And Hegel, so you're talking about, let's say Hegel, born in 1770,

02:51:35.880 same age as Beethoven, same age as Wordsworth. The fundamental act of their lives was the French

02:51:43.700 Revolution. And so Hegel is in a position as a Lutheran theologian to, can we update this

02:51:51.660 language? Can we talk about Christian theology in terms that are compatible with the Enlightenment?

02:51:59.840 And I think that was the project. And so instead of saying logos, he said vernunft.

02:52:06.640 That became, whenever he's talking about vernunft, he's talking about an act of force that is

02:52:11.260 precisely what uh saint john had in mind when he said god is logos in other words it's a force in

02:52:18.360 human history that cannot be stopped you know that it's it's divine and so therefore it cannot

02:52:22.940 be stopped and the problem okay so that's in some sense laudable uh i think beethoven is

02:52:32.540 influenced by the same zeitgeist and you find it in his symphonies you know this this uh tripart

02:52:39.920 the the sixth symphony the fifth symphony they're they're dialectic you know the the three-part

02:52:45.940 movement is is dialectic he simplified the symphony to make it conform to the dialectic

02:52:51.240 so you can go that far you can find uh logoi spermatikoi in creation because god created it

02:53:01.020 and anything god creates will have some type of impression of god and so that this this tripartite

02:53:06.740 division is is in nature and what tegel is saying is it's it's the movement of time in

02:53:13.280 human history it follows this pattern but then he got into the problem of okay i'm going to tell

02:53:21.840 god what he's really like in other words i'm going to commandeer the dialectic and the dialectic will

02:53:28.440 now become the operating system of god and the trinity and sorry wait a minute you went too far

02:53:33.580 there. You can't do that. Yeah, I remember in the book, you said that he was trying to use the

02:53:39.120 dialectic to replace the mind of God or to apprehend it in some way. Well, that's exactly

02:53:45.280 what Feuerbach said. And it happened when he introduced negativity into God. As soon as you

02:53:51.980 do that, it's not God anymore. It's an idol, but it's also a machine and it functions all by itself.

02:53:57.240 And so Feuerbach said, well, we don't need God. Or another way of saying this is the dialectic

02:54:03.140 as God. Or the dialectic is the ultimate reality of the motion of, you know, matter through human

02:54:10.240 history. And that's what all men call God. And that's what became the, you know, the God of

02:54:15.380 communism, for example. Yeah. And to this day, Marxists will say that. I believe like just not

02:54:21.980 long ago, sometimes they listened to Slavoj Zizek. Like he would say that Hegel was the final

02:54:27.760 philosopher, which maybe you agree with that too. Or he was, and everything from that was just

02:54:32.580 split off into different things but that also like he he has the model for all the entire

02:54:39.120 universe people still believe that well hegel certainly believed it uh and just look if you're

02:54:46.920 talking about if you're staying uh i think there is a model for the entire universe and i think

02:54:52.440 it's related to god and i think it's it's logos in some sense or another and i think the idea of

02:54:57.860 the movement of Logos in time. There is a kind of a dialectic. I believe in it.

02:55:04.380 I told you, if you read the book, you know why I think Hegel screwed up.

02:55:10.380 Yeah. Well, also it was his apprentices that took it to its logical conclusion. And there's

02:55:17.120 a theme in the book of these people with sort of like roots in Lutheranism trying to reconcile

02:55:23.060 philosophically their beliefs with lutheranism but then their protégés just take it to its

02:55:28.260 extreme after their their death and then it becomes this other thing entirely too yeah you can't bring

02:55:35.220 okay so uh the middle the prolegomena suddenly hegel out of nowhere says a child is born well

02:55:44.120 he's just got news that he was he had fathered an illegitimate child at this point and this is

02:55:49.880 what rekt is his philosophy. Because at this point, he's confronted with guilt and he falls

02:55:56.400 back on the Lutheran default setting, which is basically the enslaved will where Luther blamed

02:56:04.820 God for evil. You cannot impute evil to God. And it's always the guilty people who want to project

02:56:11.780 their guilt onto other people are always the people who do this type of thing. And Luther

02:56:15.960 made a theological virtue out of it and hegel was a lutheran and at this point because of the

02:56:21.520 illegitimate child um he basically projected the evil the negativity into god and i think i say in

02:56:31.520 the book he was having conversations with goethe at this point he's writing the phenomenology the

02:56:36.460 same time that goethe is writing faust and i think he's mephistopheles in faust i think that's what

02:56:42.160 Goethe saw there, because Faust says, no, Mephistopheles says to Faust,

02:56:47.840 I am the spirit of eternal negation. And that's where you went too far. And there was a course

02:56:58.280 correction at a certain point by the end of Sabin comes along and says, basically, there's nothing

02:57:03.460 you can say about the Trinity. Your mind can't penetrate the mind of God. And so we have to just

02:57:10.400 draw a line, and we'll say what we can say, but drew a line eliminating this Hegelian idolatry

02:57:20.560 of basically, I know the operating system of God. No, that's not going to work.

02:57:26.620 And that led to failure. And it wrecked philosophy. Go ahead. Go ahead.

02:57:31.780 I was going to say, what would you think Hegel would think about his dialectic being used for

02:57:36.840 the political lens that it's been used for in the 20th and 21st century.

02:57:41.140 He'd say, that's not what I meant.

02:57:42.780 That's not what I meant at all.

02:57:44.460 That was what happened with the confrontation with Feuerbach.

02:57:47.780 He understood it, and he didn't want to admit it.

02:57:51.560 And if Feuerbach said it, then he can imagine, if he felt that way about Feuerbach, you can

02:57:55.780 imagine how he felt about Marx.

02:57:59.420 Dialectical materialism is a contradiction in terms.

02:58:02.860 It doesn't work with matter.

02:58:04.260 It only works with Geist.

02:58:05.680 and that's what probably hagel would have said to marx that's a fantastic quote i think there's

02:58:11.840 gonna be a lot of people who find it interesting and i know you have to get going soon and we have

02:58:15.480 a hard stop at uh 10 but i wanted to ask you one ask you a question i'll ask you i'll tell you what

02:58:20.740 i mean by asking the question the question is uh what are your feelings about quantum mechanics

02:58:25.760 and the reason i asked that is because we covered uh some quantum mechanics on the show before

02:58:31.560 And there's this one book that's tied to string theory, which isn't really popular anymore, but it was about quantum gravity. And what I found was, you know, in the book, we talk about how in the scientific world, it became materialist due to atoms, and then the belief that everything was just made of tiny things.

02:58:51.200 but what's interesting and maybe this is tying back to the idea of logos in some way coming back

02:58:56.940 is when i read about this thing called quantum gravity they're going down to this like what is

02:59:01.340 gravity they can't really explain gravity and they're trying to go down to the quantum realm

02:59:05.380 to figure out what are the forces that animate the universe itself and just not to draw on too

02:59:10.680 long about this but uh in this one book called uh the quest for quantum gravity uh reality is not

02:59:17.100 what it seems it was about they're basically saying that the universe is composed of you know

02:59:22.660 quarks and things like that but it's almost like it you get to a low enough level and it's just

02:59:28.340 phenomena it's just like waves and it's just energy and they said the universe is like a

02:59:35.320 giant computer it's a giant computerized record of itself and the way they're explaining it's in

02:59:42.340 a very, you know, scientist sort of way, but it sounds like what they were saying was,

02:59:47.420 it's just a very, very complex mind, or there's some kind of complex mind interwoven with

02:59:55.000 everything.

02:59:55.160 Yeah, and whose mind is it?

02:59:56.620 God.

02:59:57.480 It's God's mind.

02:59:58.740 And I'm reading these books.

02:59:59.680 So you came back to God, huh?

03:00:03.200 No, gravity is love.

03:00:06.320 That's all it is.

03:00:08.440 And Pedocles figured this out a long time ago.

03:00:10.460 It's love and strife.

03:00:11.480 uh those are the two forces the universe uh newton called them gravity and inertia he was an

03:00:16.860 alchemist uh adam smith changed it to economics his competition and self-interest and so on and

03:00:23.000 so forth that's the pagan universe okay that's not the universe that that we believe in if you're

03:00:29.120 asking about uh heisenberg heisenberg was the guy who basically killed materialism because he

03:00:38.140 basically, first of all, he was conversant with Greek. He did read Greek philosophy

03:00:43.260 because his father was a classics teacher. So he would lie out on the roof of the

03:00:47.880 Mox University in Munich and read Greek philosophy. And I think he picked up the

03:00:53.500 idea of the form. So the atom is a form. I think that's what, it's not a thing, it's a form.

03:01:01.560 And the form is what is, so the analogy would be the soul is the form of the body. It is the first

03:01:07.420 act is what holds us together. That's what the atom is. And so it may seem to be matter at some

03:01:15.340 point, but if you pursue it, you can split it and it becomes energy and it disappears

03:01:21.600 because you broke the form. That's the big breakthrough. He ruined the idea that

03:01:27.800 everything out there was atoms in the void. He ruined that idea and it's not tenable. And I

03:01:33.060 mentioned bertrand russell trying to grapple with this he said everything's atoms in the void and

03:01:37.880 then suddenly he gets this rumor something's happening in germany maybe i should look into

03:01:42.740 this and then heisenberg wins the nobel prize in 1931 and that that's the end of materialism

03:01:48.840 philosophical materialism yeah and it seems that ever since then you know despite all our

03:01:54.960 technological advances i find that we're groping in the dark and we're grasping at more abstract

03:02:00.220 more abstract things than we could have comprehended and people are trying to fill in the gaps with

03:02:04.560 something that sounds very familiar and i know you gotta get going so i got two more questions

03:02:09.460 short questions uh submitted from fans of the show uh friends of the show one is um by a friend of

03:02:17.720 mine named mary and barry uh he simply wanted to say sneed um the second one is by no wait a minute

03:02:27.080 Can you explain that?

03:02:28.000 Is this the mayor of Washington, D.C.?

03:02:32.440 Or who is it?

03:02:34.200 I didn't understand what that meant.

03:02:37.920 No, he's just a listener.

03:02:39.580 That's his screen name.

03:02:41.680 And he's got, I actually don't know if that is the mayor.

03:02:45.200 That very well might be.

03:02:46.980 And I am interested.

03:02:48.180 You seem to be a guy who's circulated very well on the internet as well.

03:02:51.700 You do a lot of these podcast talks.

03:02:53.600 I was curious if you've ever been exposed to meme culture like that.

03:02:58.600 Yeah, sure.

03:03:00.280 I have my assistant translates these things for me.

03:03:03.580 Ask your assistant about Sneed.

03:03:05.080 Do you know what Sneed means?

03:03:07.540 I'm looking it up right now.

03:03:09.500 Okay, even he doesn't know.

03:03:11.200 He's looking it up.

03:03:12.480 This is pretty arcane if he doesn't know.

03:03:14.580 All right.

03:03:16.180 The last question, we'll get this one right under the wire.

03:03:19.580 um a listener by the name of fancy this is kind of a broad question but he was interested in a

03:03:25.380 discussion on this will sound very broad but what books you've read specifically and which ones

03:03:31.220 have helped shaped your worldview i know in your books you cite a lot of books but which are if

03:03:36.240 there's a selection of anything that you hold close to your heart that you would recommend people

03:03:40.560 also read okay so i i have a a new epiphany i i realized that when i was 19 years old i became a

03:03:48.920 Jew, because I was involved in the art world in Philadelphia. And then I got a job in Germany,

03:03:55.120 and the book I read there was Seven Story Mountain, and it brought me back to the Catholic

03:04:00.980 faith. So that was an important book. The Seven Story Mountain, okay.

03:04:04.860 The Seven Story Mountain by Thomas Merton. That was an important book in my life.

03:04:09.360 And then I went back to graduate school, and then I was confronted, now I'm a Catholic, but

03:04:13.140 is Catholicism intellectually respectable? I didn't know. I didn't know maybe faith is the

03:04:20.760 opposite of reason. I didn't know. I was just trying to figure this out on my own. And it was

03:04:25.980 Gilson's book, The Spirit of Medieval Philosophy, that convinced me that reason was coherent.

03:04:32.240 And at that point, I discovered Jacques Maritain. I read Three Reformers. And the second part,

03:04:38.360 The Dream of Descartes became the basis for my doctoral dissertation on Nathaniel Hawthorne,

03:04:43.740 which was the angel and the machine, Hawthorne's rational psychology. And that launched my career

03:04:51.540 as a professor, which then blew up when I got fired for being against abortion at St. Mary's

03:04:57.800 College. By the way, St. Mary's just made the news they're not going to allow guys now into

03:05:03.440 the locker room if as long as they claim that they're women so you're going to see a lot of

03:05:08.440 so back then all you had to do was uh abandon your catholic faith to become a professor now

03:05:14.140 you have to abandon well anyway i don't want to looks like you were on the right track then

03:05:19.780 i'm glad i got out when i did i'd hate to anyway uh so at that point i you know i

03:05:26.820 blew my career blew up and i thought i guess i'll have to be a writer and so i started the magazine

03:05:31.780 with fidelity and now it's culture wars and at that point i started just doing uh just started

03:05:38.540 reading doing a lot of research just journalism and then uh remember reading a book uh and i

03:05:46.320 don't even remember that was like a biography of sartre and i suddenly was in the middle of it and

03:05:52.680 i thought uh he took a lot of dexedrine he took a lot of amphetamines and maybe that's why i

03:06:02.320 didn't understand what i was reading uh and i started to realize that biography was important

03:06:07.240 and that led to my book uh degenerate moderns and uh so it's been you know you if you look at

03:06:14.180 the biography bibliography of all these books uh you know i've read a lot of books uh in in between

03:06:20.740 But that at least gets you started. The books of Nathaniel Hawthorne were a big influence on me.

03:06:29.860 I just came back to that by writing a book about why Hawthorne was melancholy.

03:06:34.680 So there's a kind of coherence to this that is traceable.

03:06:40.280 That's fantastic. That's exactly what they were looking for, I'm sure.

03:06:43.200 And I know you've got to get going now. So I just wanted to say, once again, thank you so much for taking the time.

03:06:48.940 for people who want to check out more check out culture wars magazine uh you can find that online

03:06:54.940 and also logos rising is the book we also discussed uh the holocaust narrative available now

03:07:00.500 um jewish revolutionary spirit all this is available from fidelity press and emj live

03:07:06.940 is on bit shoot so that's your your that's right your show so people check that out every friday

03:07:12.660 Yeah. FidelityPress.org or CultureWars.com. You have to evade the blockade here. You have to

03:07:23.120 sail around the blockade. You have to go directly to those sites because there are lots of people

03:07:27.260 out there who don't want you to read what I've written. And frankly, each one of these books

03:07:32.200 could warrant its own episode. These are very, very dense books. You could spend a lot of time

03:07:36.760 there. Anyway, Dr. Jones, thank you so much for taking the time, and I hope you have a good

03:07:41.320 evening. Thank you. Thank you for a great interview.

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