Blood Satellite - You should do THAT THING to YOU KNOW WHO

00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be

00:00:07.720 blood satellite ah you start off so angry i'm mad i said the magic words you said middlemen

00:00:25.660 i said millionaires are made out of middlemen buck status what the sigma no no no no no don't

00:00:32.300 close my ears now fuck you this way you'll never cut it in the glass boardroom i'm the front guy

00:00:38.460 and i'm the i almost said i'm the back i'm not the back guy i'm the end the the end guy yeah but

00:00:44.680 i'm not no middlemen fuck that this guy walking into the c-suite levels like uh like a lesbian

00:00:51.680 walking in a church

00:00:52.840 the whole thing just disappears in a puff of smoke

00:00:56.000 you've never

00:00:57.880 seen a lesbian in a church

00:00:59.220 they're just in a field

00:01:00.480 they just melt churches

00:01:01.800 they're just in a lot

00:01:03.880 you just walk in

00:01:07.700 through a door and then

00:01:09.580 in a split second you're just in like a fucking

00:01:11.500 empty lot

00:01:12.380 we call that the

00:01:15.560 lesbian backrooms

00:01:16.780 yeah

00:01:17.340 so this is this is the life i know you hate this type of thing you hate the idea of

00:01:26.640 my job is hooking people together and i get a cut i get a cut of a deal i get a cut of a friendship

00:01:33.160 but to me i'm so fucked i'm i'm right fucked you're twisted so i'm kind i'm kind of i'm kind

00:01:41.460 of dark i got bangs and so i'm thinking like i like i like making money on ethereal things

00:01:48.580 i like making money on a handshake hate it i'd love you know you hear that story like

00:01:54.780 people you can buy the air in hong kong so it's like you make a building over 10 stories and you

00:01:59.980 have to pay this guy because he owns height some people hear that and say what a twisted

00:02:06.780 Chinese way of life, me

00:02:08.580 I'm thinking I'm Chinese

00:02:10.860 I'm thinking

00:02:14.200 yeah, I'm thinking I'm

00:02:16.860 Chinese

00:02:17.640 we're looking at this guy

00:02:20.700 we're starting off, I don't got a lot planned

00:02:22.840 for this episode, never, this is the guy

00:02:24.980 we're talking about

00:02:25.860 this is complete synergy

00:02:28.640 another thing you hate, but me

00:02:30.300 I love owning Chinese air

00:02:32.560 I love finding a guy I hate

00:02:34.780 so i'm not i can't say this guy's name and i don't think you can find him if i just give you

00:02:40.260 this information because there's a lot of guys like this he's a archetype i knew this guy uh

00:02:46.580 just a bit of background this i'm looking at his instagram right now but this is a guy i knew years

00:02:51.660 and years ago and we used to work together at an agency i was at a very small agency great big fat

00:02:57.520 guy and still is and he i think he gained weight or he lost beard you know what he did i think he

00:03:05.880 might have lost weight but gained a jowl sometimes you see that yeah it's an age thing as well it

00:03:10.760 doesn't it doesn't rest well past a certain age so i'm looking at him let's he's a realtor

00:03:16.220 dad

00:03:18.040 hello

00:03:19.180 also into venture capital

00:03:21.920 this is his CV on his

00:03:23.700 profile

00:03:24.640 realtor, dad, venture capital

00:03:28.140 sports bets

00:03:29.580 gambling

00:03:32.220 and food

00:03:33.500 just this type of

00:03:36.400 I don't know what to call this type of guy

00:03:38.420 but he's a millennial scammer

00:03:40.700 and I knew him

00:03:41.980 many years ago

00:03:43.740 I would catch him on Facebook after the partnership had dissolved I catch him on

00:03:48.560 Facebook he's writing a post this vague entrepreneurial style post like I got a

00:03:54.840 sure thing on a two to five X return on investment for this thing I'm not gonna

00:04:01.620 say what it is if you want it if you want in on sure money contact me and you

00:04:07.020 don't need to know anything about the history of financial scams no you're

00:04:10.700 looking at a Ponzi scheme it was almost like Ponzi scheme 101 if you had a if

00:04:16.220 you had chat GPT write you a pitch for a Ponzi scheme it would be that do you

00:04:20.600 want easy money same return every week no matter what happens like it's magic

00:04:26.540 here do that and then I saw that I'm chuckling and I asked him later on I

00:04:32.120 said whatever happened to that whatever happened that that genius sure thing is

00:04:36.880 like what are you talking about and i realized oh you don't remember this stuff and that's this type

00:04:42.640 of guy or he's pretending not to because enough people have chased him about it now it might be

00:04:48.320 but i also think these guys to get to that state and never change he's not changed a thing about

00:04:55.040 himself he's not evolved he's not grown or what he's got kids but he's probably the same motherfucker

00:04:59.920 you have to sort of believe your own lies that's the only way you survive so i think he believed

00:05:06.800 he's like i don't know what you're talking i didn't say that he might believe that and that's

00:05:10.540 just a survival mechanism these guys get these like these guys are just habitual constant liars

00:05:16.500 yeah but it's it's it's lol cow material in the sense that like a lol cow just has these

00:05:23.400 characteristics and i always say lol cow has three characteristics one you have to be pretty stupid

00:05:27.900 but you also need to be arrogant and you also need to have a thirst for celebrity in some way

00:05:35.840 so that means you you keep stepping on rakes but you'll never go away yeah and you'll and you'll

00:05:42.340 keep picking fights and you'll never just walk away from the computer so he's got all that too

00:05:47.460 where he thinks he's really smart and i'm looking at a photo of him he's got he's got a fucking uh

00:05:55.560 instagram post of celebrating his own birthday which is which is odd for a man to do at this

00:06:01.780 age right and it's a photo he took him of himself and he's he's kind of what do you call this it's

00:06:07.760 like the entrepreneur pose where he's kind of leaning on his own knee showing off his watch

00:06:13.760 it's like captain morgan for guys who can't reach their toes yeah nigga that's a perfect way

00:06:20.080 he's just leaning over fatly and and he can't do it he can't you don't have the body for leaning

00:06:33.480 but but he he must have commissioned this photo like and oh and by the way it says to the man

00:06:39.120 the myth of the legend and this is something he said about himself but it's not played for laughs

00:06:43.980 it's like it's a serious like glamour shot it says help us in wishing so and so a very happy

00:06:50.740 birthday today he posted this about himself on his own account his account which is just his name

00:06:57.680 at his name acting like he's a team

00:07:01.920 what i i was i was scrolling through it and i know everybody see this is an archetype right

00:07:09.080 but almost every post in his whole account is either black gold gold text on black announcing

00:07:16.360 some scheme or sweepstakes or filtered screenshot of him his face doing a pose and like captions of

00:07:25.320 him giving you some entrepreneurial advice and it's like who the who the fuck are you again and

00:07:30.600 there's a couple of clips of like his dumb wife like but what yeah but the gold and black palette

00:07:37.380 is an easy way to tell

00:07:39.620 that you're looking at a dunce.

00:07:41.740 Because any design-minded guys will know.

00:07:43.980 I see Indians do that all the time.

00:07:45.720 Indian realtors, they see gold,

00:07:47.780 they black, they think, oh, that's high class.

00:07:49.860 Because that's a poor person's idea

00:07:51.840 of what rich people do.

00:07:53.420 It's like a black tie affair.

00:07:55.580 But you know what? Maybe like Kanye West,

00:07:58.140 that's what works. That's what people want.

00:08:00.860 You know, the

00:08:01.660 further right you go

00:08:03.740 politically, you realize that

00:08:05.940 the destiny of the white man

00:08:08.340 is to just become black

00:08:09.900 who is the other guy

00:08:13.680 I'm talking to you about guys

00:08:15.520 that remind me

00:08:17.400 of each other but

00:08:19.600 I can't say their names but I sent this

00:08:22.060 to you okay

00:08:23.640 I got through how to explain this

00:08:26.260 because now we're hopping over to LinkedIn

00:08:27.840 and I've seen so many

00:08:30.260 guys go down this path

00:08:32.360 where they start

00:08:33.580 in some kind of white-collar job

00:08:36.360 and it doesn't shake out

00:08:38.060 and they decide to just become a motivational speaker.

00:08:42.260 And if you haven't been blessed

00:08:44.180 with having these people in your life,

00:08:46.320 I feel sorry for you.

00:08:48.560 But it also makes you feel like

00:08:50.340 you're losing your mind watching it

00:08:51.880 because this sounds like a bit,

00:08:54.100 a person playing a character.

00:08:56.300 Sometimes you'll see actors like,

00:08:57.580 I'm going to play the character of a motivational speaker

00:09:00.340 that just says dumb, incoherent nonsense.

00:09:03.580 But then you can go on LinkedIn and find 20 guys who are just doing that.

00:09:08.220 Okay.

00:09:08.780 Can I read some of this guy's words of wisdom?

00:09:11.320 Because this guy's story was I knew him in college and during COVID something.

00:09:18.180 And he was in marketing and advertising and he seemed to be doing pretty well.

00:09:21.520 And something happened during COVID.

00:09:23.800 And so people really got into like Joe Rogan stuff, but late.

00:09:28.140 Like motivation.

00:09:29.560 There's this type of podcast that I love.

00:09:31.880 and i'm thinking of patrick bett david when i think of this oh fuck where and tim heidecker

00:09:38.020 skewered this pretty well and on cinema at the cinema where he started his own podcast network

00:09:43.600 and there was like sort of like a rap rock intro and there's just images of him in a suit walking

00:09:50.300 with another guy in a suit and then there's like b-roll footage of playing chess and smoking cigars

00:09:56.620 you know what i mean it's it's the cigars it's the chess it's the whiskey the whiskey being

00:10:02.220 poured in the rocks glass let's get to the bottom of what's going on in the world today

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00:10:10.760 the right information right when you need it why wait

00:10:14.380 it's it's all that i'm like oh my god i i understand

00:10:25.300 the leftist critique on this whole thing because it's because the worst guys you know have gone

00:10:32.600 into cigars and whiskey you can't drink whiskey anymore it's done well i mean come on they can't

00:10:38.240 you can't no they can't i mean i can't for other reasons there's other reasons that you can't yeah

00:10:43.160 but there's this great clip i don't know if you saw him but it was patrick bet david the indian

00:10:50.860 guy the entrepreneur who got rich from a pyramid scheme uh he started value tainment which is

00:10:57.540 wait is that how he got rich that tracks i because i didn't even know that but i hated

00:11:02.160 him from square one just because listening to him speak you know he's retarded like he has a

00:11:07.040 room temperature iq one company dares to dream bigger and do the impossible one company pushes

00:11:17.400 the limits of the status quo wow we got it all guys we got people smoking cigars fat cats dude

00:11:25.000 this is a lot like the amway thing it's like a younger amway it's nice it's uh it's uh fresh

00:11:30.720 it's exciting and this is a known thing if you like if you actually watch the show which i know

00:11:36.220 you don't but eventually you wonder what big studio guy who wears a blue suit all the time

00:11:42.300 guys who wear blue suits must know what they're doing no multi-level marketing scheme all the

00:11:48.600 way through and you can find him he's on stage at these big conferences these they still pack

00:11:53.280 out 5 000 suckers into these things but yeah that's how he made his money and he got into

00:11:58.200 you know canceling cancel culture there's an amazing scene uh where he was interviewing

00:12:04.920 he's being interviewed and giving a tour of his house and he takes the interviewer over to this

00:12:10.840 giant painting it's in his thinking room okay so he's got this big house of course and he just

00:12:19.280 has a room just for thinking where he goes to think big thoughts right away yeah and he's got

00:12:25.820 this massive portrait on the wall oh no i've seen that i've seen that it's got like it's got

00:12:30.620 tupac first of all it's him yeah first of all it's him it's painted really poorly almost it's

00:12:38.540 a really bad painting yeah so it's him in the same suit by the way like his signature suit

00:12:44.260 he's got his arms around if i'm recalling this correctly tupac and einstein yeah who are

00:12:52.300 chopping it up it's a room full of in his in his opinion the greatest thinkers in the world and so

00:12:59.920 of course there's abraham lincoln over there an absolute indians idea of western culture right

00:13:07.180 Who, of course, walking through our house, walking through Blood's satellite compound, you go to our thinking room, it's just a toilet in the center of the room.

00:13:21.720 It's just in front of a glass wall overlooking, I can only describe it as a Jurassic Park-style cliff, painting on the wall.

00:13:32.040 There's us.

00:13:33.100 Who are the figures in the painting?

00:13:35.160 So let's just knock a couple off.

00:13:37.180 You're going to have your Hitler.

00:13:41.000 You got Fred Durst.

00:13:43.820 David Lynch.

00:13:47.720 Genghis Khan?

00:13:48.960 Who are you putting in the painting?

00:13:50.200 Yeah, yeah, Genghis Khan.

00:13:51.360 I could see that.

00:13:53.040 Who are you putting in there?

00:13:54.580 I'm going to put Gabe.

00:13:57.460 Gabe Newell?

00:13:58.640 Yeah.

00:13:59.600 Okay.

00:14:00.500 Yeah.

00:14:00.920 Yeah.

00:14:01.520 Who else can we get?

00:14:03.500 Let's get...

00:14:04.440 Rob Ford.

00:14:05.960 John Talley.

00:14:07.180 John Tali's in there.

00:14:10.280 He's there with, uh, also with Einstein.

00:14:14.260 I'm trying to figure out the guy in the middle.

00:14:16.700 There's a guy in, like, regalia.

00:14:18.420 I think it's the Shah of Iran.

00:14:21.240 It's, like, the...

00:14:23.160 Now it's starting to sound more like our painting.

00:14:25.540 Like, what the fuck is going on in this?

00:14:27.980 It's just bizarre, man.

00:14:29.520 I'm attempting to look this up as well,

00:14:31.300 and so my search was Patrick Beddavid's stupid fucking painting.

00:14:35.480 like i said i've come to understand that a lot of leftist critiques have been correct at least

00:14:42.620 regarding the corniness of some of the guys on this side a lot of their claims are incorrect

00:14:48.440 because they they would say that the right wing is awash with money we're the rich side we're the

00:14:53.520 corrupted institution side that's not the case of course unless you're a maga guy unless you're

00:15:01.420 someone i can see how you would think that if you're looking at tom mcdonald

00:15:05.500 or roseanne barr

00:15:25.580 and i'm gonna say the politically incorrect thing white people and black people are different

00:15:29.820 all right but we need unity against the liberals like that like just and they'll say they hate

00:15:39.260 communists men and women are different but men we need to treat our women better

00:15:44.240 so we're going back to this guy we're spending so long on this we shouldn't be doing this but

00:15:51.340 i need to give you the nuggets of wisdom from this guy the guy i knew in college the guy who

00:15:55.980 during covid something broke got into motifs vaguely techno spiritual leadership stuff

00:16:05.820 just vagaries right okay here's here's a photo i'm gonna describe a photo of him posted on his

00:16:15.020 account he made a meme of himself um he is he is in this image twice because the meme has him in it

00:16:22.060 and it's screen capturing a post that he made.

00:16:25.500 So it's a post of a post juxtaposed against the image of him.

00:16:29.080 So discipline is a backup plan for bad design, he says.

00:16:34.300 The more frictionless your environment, your routines, and your systems are,

00:16:38.340 the less you need to rely on discipline.

00:16:40.140 I don't think he works, and I don't think he knows what discipline is.

00:16:43.620 I think this is fabricated.

00:16:45.660 I think this is a totally fabricated take.

00:16:48.420 It doesn't make sense to me.

00:16:50.440 well i'm like i it's a thing that like it's coherent it's just not true and it's stupid

00:16:56.780 like i can see that you could think that but if you actually think that it's because your life

00:17:02.720 is simple and easy and your idea of discipline is like waking up at six so that you can

00:17:09.920 fuck around all day so if you were saying that discipline is when you do something you don't

00:17:15.900 want to do but living in a frictionless environment means that you want to do everything

00:17:21.340 that you do otherwise because to me getting up at 4 a.m or 5 a.m that is discipline but i don't

00:17:27.760 know like so you need to do that you need to wake up early so are you saying you don't need to wake

00:17:32.440 up early you can't how do you even have a frick like as far if we use the example of waking up

00:17:38.420 early as discipline right how do you make that frictionless that's probably the best example

00:17:42.700 because you almost can't make that frictionless say oh your your morning routine hey let's let's

00:17:47.120 make sure the washroom is well organized so that your toothpaste and everything is in the right

00:17:52.380 spot and etc etc etc okay like that's fine that will actually make it easier to stay disciplined

00:17:58.600 but it takes discipline to maintain the system of organization frictionless environment sounds like

00:18:04.900 that could be design language or systems thinking or maybe even programming language and i know for

00:18:11.900 fact he's got no aptitude for any of these things he's not a programmer he's

00:18:17.180 not in systems he went into marketing and then he washed out and alert started

00:18:22.280 learning programming terms and that's one thing that's always stuck out to me

00:18:25.640 because I know a few guys who are into programming but they don't talk like

00:18:30.660 this cartoon version of a programmer who's always talking to you know maybe

00:18:35.600 some of them do but they're not just borrowing terms I keep remembering like

00:18:40.020 deepak chopra i watched a debate with him back in the day and he was trying to borrow quantum

00:18:45.380 mechanical language and talk all he does superposition but it's like it's not used correctly

00:18:51.220 so i'm like oh you don't understand or you don't care but it's like oh you know bad design what do

00:18:55.860 you know about design you don't know design you don't know frictionless environments you mean

00:18:59.460 your life like what so i i think some people are sucked in by this but then you realize it's on

00:19:06.580 linkedin so he's only talking to other recruiters and interns and because no no one in the world

00:19:13.460 who matters is on okay can i go one for i i need to describe this one this is magical i mean same

00:19:23.460 setup him posting a screen cap of him juxtaposed against a photo of himself and it's a photo of

00:19:30.100 him looking at his computer looking with his eyebrows arced like he's surprised and impressed

00:19:38.020 which it tells me that he's impressed by him making this post it's an oral boros

00:19:44.500 and it's him posting an image of him being impressed at his own post which is a which

00:19:50.740 is a third post there's post within posts here now we're going to drop down one more level

00:19:55.220 Because the post itself is about how AI can never replicate this.

00:20:02.720 It says, in this new age of AI, reading and writing are becoming radical acts of what it means to be human.

00:20:10.560 The irony of that, that sentiment.

00:20:14.020 Like, even if there's some truth to it, which I don't, if there is truth, it is bouncing nowhere in his brain off the walls.

00:20:21.220 but it's like this is an inhuman post you understand like no this did not come from a

00:20:27.900 human's mind this it might as well have come from a robot this is platitudes right if there's one

00:20:34.800 thing chat gbt is good at it's a being a platitude engine yeah uh speaking of uh engaging the chat

00:20:42.140 gbt guys there's been an antifa guy on x who's been wanting to gay rape me to death for i saw

00:20:48.240 that you got a fan that's great he claims he hate watched he hate listened the entire show i'm

00:20:55.220 i'm offended that he would lie about that i would be really i would i'd be really thrilled if he was

00:21:01.100 so committed as to hate watch the whole show i get paid either way so that's i love it it was just

00:21:07.080 under like a brian krassenstein post i don't know if anyone knows these guys they're reply guys to

00:21:12.560 Donald Trump they're these weird twins just like Patrick bet David they're

00:21:17.420 these not not not grifter but just a slop merchant and since I before they

00:21:23.120 became these political like internet wonks they were running teen pop fan

00:21:29.480 accounts as grown men trying to just gin up thing like what's your favorite it's

00:21:34.340 Taylor Swift Wednesday what's your favorite Taylor Swift song about

00:21:37.100 Wednesday comment below they're both doing this it like just which is a real decrepit way to live

00:21:43.920 and then they decided that being the first person to respond to Donald Trump on Twitter

00:21:49.480 was a way to I guess make it to Capitol Hill

00:21:53.580 you know the resistance is a really good group of people that spread throughout the country

00:22:01.220 probably throughout the world I mean it's just kind of it's just what I enjoy spending my time

00:22:06.800 doing and and of course we get paid you know of course there's a higher-ups pay

00:22:13.020 us so so you're you're paid for this it's not just like something you do

00:22:17.420 because for your love of country yeah I mean they people pay us they they want

00:22:23.900 us to help sow the division and to to take over Trump's Twitter feed when he

00:22:28.580 makes a post they want our tweets to be up there that they don't want they don't

00:22:32.280 want other people to like trump supporters to be seen in that case and uh i i brought that up and

00:22:39.360 this other guy was like you better better running what you know i said used to have a podcast and

00:22:45.180 like better than your at least they never had a podcast and you do i'm like well they did have

00:22:49.400 a podcast and you need to watch it it was so bad if you like hate watching you should really

00:22:57.060 it was it was you know the crassing cast defending what's left and uh i just remember the first bit

00:23:05.260 they did they're identical twins they're sitting side by side and the bit was i want to summarize

00:23:09.300 it he was saying oh yeah i'm the handsome one and the other one goes he like does this exaggerated

00:23:15.840 roll the ass goes uh yeah right oh no sometimes i think i'm talking to myself during these podcasts

00:23:29.120 brian but then i realize your voice is so much more whinier and so much more squeaky than mine

00:23:35.060 is yeah whatever uh shouldn't we be introducing the podcast that good plan we're brian and ed

00:23:41.640 krassenstein some of you guys may know us on twitter uh some of you guys may never have heard

00:23:46.360 of us in in your lives but none of that really matters i love it i've never been happier oh

00:23:52.540 i've never because you know me i just i live in a pain dimension yeah this it satiates me i can't do

00:23:59.660 it i can't do it very rarely is my thirst slaked but it was watching these just grinning fools

00:24:08.140 and then so long story short

00:24:09.780 like two days later

00:24:11.180 he's threatening to like

00:24:13.480 I said go be a gay loser somewhere else

00:24:15.700 he's like I'm not gay but if I

00:24:17.280 I'll still fuck you in the ass until you love it

00:24:19.960 I'm like there's something about

00:24:22.080 Antifa where

00:24:23.100 even if they're not gay

00:24:25.520 they can't take being gay as an insult

00:24:28.260 so they need to

00:24:30.080 triple down

00:24:31.120 I'm like I'm gonna fuck you in the ass

00:24:32.760 I'm like no you're not

00:24:34.740 you're on the internet saying you wanna fuck me in the ass

00:24:37.980 what is this i'm giving you an out you can just stop this right now i'm being nicer than i should

00:24:43.820 be his he's it's a guy who uses his real name and face on his account too yeah he was it reminds me

00:24:51.540 of a type of guy i don't know if he exists anymore but i've seen him he's like a liberal

00:24:56.960 uh a loud mouth type of guy who would say you know i'm not gay but believe me if i were i'd be

00:25:05.440 the biggest flaming homo around like i've heard you've probably heard that before right yeah yeah

00:25:12.480 which is so funny if you think about it for two seconds because they're saying

00:25:16.480 so you're the heterosexual analog of a faggot

00:25:23.120 like the idea is that if you were gay you'd be the gayest faggot but i'm like so you're just straight

00:25:27.680 faggot yeah you're too gay for gay people you're all of the worst parts of being gay without the

00:25:38.700 sex that's what it is so you just take that and invert it and you're still you're still something

00:25:44.280 people don't want to have around they're saying there's too much you you're you're the fuck you're

00:25:51.240 chandelier dripping with orange juice it's too it's too much of this for whatever the space is

00:25:58.920 we must remove you um yeah so i've just been uh this is what you do when you're

00:26:05.640 when you're in the discourse like me when you're in the trenches fighting for free speech

00:26:11.760 the new thing i've been the new thing that people are doing is very amusing um some people are

00:26:18.160 posting quotes from american history x or some movie a nazi or new nazi saying and they're going

00:26:25.140 um actually a nazi said that in case you didn't know they're the bad you know just so you know

00:26:31.020 a nazi said that and of course the reflexive answer is oh so a nazi said these cool and

00:26:37.920 reasonable points it's easy but then you get like 50 people threatening you in dms and which is

00:26:45.680 fine i like that i like being threatened love the attention this thing that we all like and agree

00:26:51.300 with is you're just slowly picking away at the the post-war consensus i guess they were right

00:26:57.900 after all yeah because and then there's people who just haven't watched american history acts

00:27:02.700 he's like you know he he admitted he was wrong later in that conversation like no he didn't

00:27:07.580 believe me i know that scene off by heart yeah who's the revisionist now huh

00:27:12.700 Believe me, every single one of my niggas, we've seen American History X 20 times.

00:27:19.840 And that movie is around 25 minutes long.

00:27:25.100 It's just a few scenes that everyone's seen.

00:27:32.580 It's just a great short film about this fucking guy.

00:27:36.660 And he makes some great points.

00:27:38.320 And he defends his house and he curbsops the guy.

00:27:40.840 And he smiles.

00:27:42.040 Smiles.

00:27:42.700 high five roll credits and i see epilogue he got away with it that's it

00:27:47.800 20 minute long i love that movie

00:27:51.420 i love the movie there's like no black people in it just cut it all out

00:27:56.320 i thought it was a great meme and it was i'm like this is why you guys gotta watch movies it's so

00:28:05.200 easy to enjoy movies and it was just sort of the chad watching the film and it's like

00:28:12.700 a black guy shooting a white guy it's like base this movie's realistic depiction of crime

00:28:18.220 then it's a white guy shooting a black guy base a black guy got shot it's a white guy shooting a

00:28:23.800 black guy it's like base there's no black people in this movie then two black guys it's great black

00:28:29.680 on black crime it's like nomad i'm just loving moot i'm loving this is this is the the uh mark

00:28:36.100 trouble school of film critique everything's nice enjoy it everything's nice just sit back

00:28:43.620 and enjoy things yeah you're allowed you're you're allowed to like things you know you're

00:28:48.660 allowed to have fun you're allowed to just say hey i choose i'm not going to get into

00:28:53.420 a critique death of the author type thing i'm saying i'm just gonna cancel out the part i don't

00:28:59.000 like i'm giving myself a lamotomy whenever the fuck i feel like it i i can i i did watch

00:29:05.040 inglorious bastards is half an hour long

00:29:08.120 glorious bastards is an amazing short film and it's got that first hans lander scene it's got

00:29:17.700 the scene in the german pub there at the end and then maybe there's there's a couple other

00:29:23.800 it's a really great story about this uh german war hero sniper who goes to france and meets a

00:29:32.940 woman and he ends up betrayed by her of course um because i i think she's jewish and so she betrays

00:29:40.000 this german war hero it's a tragedy of course but uh hans landa i believe gets revenge is the woman

00:29:47.500 she chokes her to death

00:29:50.360 or he chokes her to death. Anyway,

00:29:52.440 long story short, she's choked to death

00:29:54.200 and then the movie

00:29:56.400 just ends

00:29:57.280 and everyone claps

00:30:00.260 and the epilogue says the Nazis won.

00:30:06.220 The hero's circle is complete.

00:30:08.820 That was it. Another thing people are doing,

00:30:10.100 I had this funny post, I'm sorry to just talk about

00:30:12.160 X shit, this is just funny, where

00:30:14.140 someone had posted

00:30:15.920 they're talking about Kanye West's

00:30:18.900 Heil Hitler song and the

00:30:20.780 post is starting to realize that so many right wingers

00:30:22.820 think this is bad or worse that Kanye

00:30:24.760 song because they actually think

00:30:26.740 the devil is real and gang stalking them and they're pointing

00:30:28.720 to Lil Nas X

00:30:30.760 that gay black guy who did a song

00:30:32.660 where he's like twerking on

00:30:34.800 Satan just the gayest shit

00:30:36.760 you've ever seen yeah I just quoted

00:30:38.680 gay Satanism is okay

00:30:40.560 don't you ever like Hitler

00:30:42.480 and then it was just all these

00:30:44.800 people saying that's true actually actually gay gay black satanism is better than hitler

00:30:49.060 and i again this is just a perfect little thing reflexive answer i say thank you for admitting

00:30:55.880 that the antithesis to gay black satanism is hitler yeah we agree yeah gay black satanism

00:31:03.660 over here what's the opposite what's the what's the antithesis of that well it's hitler is this

00:31:08.220 is this just a function of all of the lowest common denominator people being part of this new

00:31:13.040 mainstream where you can't really get any coherent defense out of them because they don't even

00:31:19.180 understand like they don't understand that they're contradicting themselves and handing a victory

00:31:23.340 to us and and they're showing their asses and they don't even know like you even if you explain to

00:31:29.960 them how they just showed their ass they still wouldn't fucking get it they're so fucking stupid

00:31:33.960 man yeah well it's like i'm really saying the quiet part out loud there aren't we guys i um i

00:31:40.300 think he's saying the quiet part out loud

00:31:42.100 I'm just walking up

00:31:44.320 the Swiss Alps grabbing

00:31:46.460 that giant fucking yodeling

00:31:48.600 horn and just hollering

00:31:50.460 through I think

00:31:52.480 Hitler's better

00:31:54.220 than gay black Satanism

00:31:56.780 I just think

00:31:57.940 look you only need to like Hitler

00:32:00.400 you can be ambivalent or

00:32:02.400 even dislike Hitler

00:32:03.580 but is that better

00:32:06.360 qualitatively than gay black

00:32:08.320 satanism what is worse than that i don't know what to make of this clip but um alex jones

00:32:17.760 shared this clip it's of nick fuentes all right but um the story and i don't know if you've heard

00:32:23.540 this story before but um i'll just let them sure see if you can hear it here james comey posted

00:32:30.380 the 8 647 seashell photo on exactly the 8 647th day since the 9 11 he was a lead prosecutor during

00:32:35.800 the aftermath not normally a fan of conspiracies but this was obviously intentional do you think

00:32:39.480 they could even get away with a false flag on home soil again this has been a very similar build up

00:32:42.640 to iraq that's actually crazy like is that a coincidence can that be a coincidence because

00:32:49.160 so just a bit of background here james comey he posted a photo on x written in seashells on the

00:32:57.180 beach 86 47 47 being donald trump's presidential number 86 people are interpreting as either

00:33:04.640 kill him or impeach him it was this big fucking nothing like who gives a shit right even if they

00:33:11.420 were saying kill trump who cares whatever they can't they tried but then it was also

00:33:17.080 8,647 days since 9-11 did anybody check that though i did it i i did check that and i had

00:33:26.000 some other people check them like is that true and it is when they're posted so i'm like that's

00:33:31.520 interesting that makes it way more interesting actually he's saying oh we got it we got impeach

00:33:37.120 trump or whatever but saying 86 47 on the 800 8 647 day after 9 11 how could that possibly be a

00:33:48.360 coincidence see uh so we can just stop there but i'm it does make you wonder and so i'm like okay

00:33:54.700 let's say that's true i think it is true right but what could it mean and i just wanted to bring

00:34:01.020 that to you you i think you just learned of it but it the whole point is that what are the odds

00:34:07.020 you say what are the odds well the odds are one in a million well the whole point of odds is

00:34:10.720 it does happen once could it be a coincidence yes the other thing is is you you with odds like you

00:34:17.000 kind of want to predefine this is like you know the numerology thing where people rearrange

00:34:22.480 numbers and like oh that means your grandfather dead is trying to talk to you some shit like no

00:34:27.200 look at it this way 9 11 is definitely a historically important event are there other

00:34:32.520 historically important events that would have been more poignant if they had lined up with those days

00:34:36.980 probably some now let's look at all of the things that happened in the three years before and after

00:34:42.680 how many events happened within that date range that also would have struck a similar chord right

00:34:49.000 you can probably think of a thousand other events you can probably think of some kind of event like

00:34:54.360 that for every second or third day years before and after that date i'm not trying to say this

00:35:01.860 conspiracy theory isn't true but i just don't like these types of theories because it's like

00:35:06.280 if let's say he instead of maybe there's a typo it wasn't eight six four seven it was eight seven

00:35:11.080 six four well i bet you anything if you go on wikipedia and figure out what happened on that

00:35:16.340 day there was something there was probably something that you could tie back to it reminds

00:35:21.660 of that movie it's a pretty good movie called knowing with nicholas cage and um it has to do

00:35:28.900 with this kid in the past in like the 50s or something that uh wrote down this prophecy this

00:35:36.440 numerical just a page full of numbers and people figured out their dates or heading key or someone

00:35:42.800 in the film figures that they were actually dates and it turns out those dates line up with

00:35:47.460 significant tragedies so that'd be like the air malaysia disaster or 9-11 or you know something

00:35:55.760 like that where there's like a mass casualty event but then you start thinking like okay is this just

00:36:00.260 in america because it just if you go a bit deeper into the news and you check regional news i bet

00:36:08.260 for example today i bet you could find that a village of 10 000 people or a town of 10 000

00:36:14.460 people in india was just wiped out by a diarrhea landslide you know i mean like there's so many

00:36:19.480 huge massacres that kind that don't go reported which means that they're actually happening every

00:36:26.260 single day somewhere in the world and how do you qualify them like maybe it could be something

00:36:31.600 diffuse like the number of car accidents that day or something you know what i mean like you can

00:36:35.700 there's always a way that you can skew the data to make it fit your assumptions there's ones that

00:36:40.580 are known to us because they make it to the zeitgeist but the world fucking sucks right and

00:36:46.280 has for a while so i'm like i think every day there's at least a 750 casualty event just an

00:36:52.360 accident just a pile up in russia or something that doesn't even make the news but then so i'm

00:36:58.660 looking at this and i'm entertaining it i entertain a lot of this stuff but i'm just thinking what

00:37:03.640 what could it mean like really so it's it's forecasting a possible false like but it hasn't

00:37:12.160 happened yet because it would make sense if it was that day or what what are you trying to tell

00:37:17.460 us by saying it's that many days since 9-11 too so we kind of remember it's 9-11 so what i don't

00:37:23.720 i don't get yeah yeah if you if you leave a you know the fact that it has nothing to do with the

00:37:28.460 president then yeah then why are we talking about 9-11 again it's been it's been 24 years and that's

00:37:36.260 a that's a missing piece for a lot of these conspiracies or something's odd or you know

00:37:42.880 some aberration that you wouldn't expect but to be a conspiracy you need you need to tell me a bit

00:37:48.440 more but why why why why this i don't get it i don't get it it sounds like it could be a coincidence

00:37:54.900 i guess like it would make more sense if it was a coincidence to me other than like james comey

00:37:59.400 saying there's going to be a false like well what is he helping us is james comey a good guy

00:38:04.340 dude like james is he trying to save america i thought he was a piece of shit you know i mean

00:38:09.420 like what the fuck yeah yeah did you there's another thing that was kind of funny i don't

00:38:16.840 know if you know if i need to play this video maybe i can just describe it speaking of trump

00:38:23.140 just reminded me of this

00:38:24.440 you used to have the

00:38:26.060 Prime Minister of

00:38:28.380 or the President rather

00:38:30.660 of South Africa

00:38:31.540 oh yeah, the Rambosa, I saw that today

00:38:34.420 yeah, so I'm going to try and

00:38:36.040 it's a video of them watching

00:38:38.500 a video, so I don't know

00:38:40.300 I'll try and crank this because

00:38:42.420 the intro's kind of good

00:38:43.320 so basically the President goes to the Oval Office

00:38:46.740 in America and says

00:38:48.720 that there's no refugee

00:38:50.600 there should be no refugee crisis because there's no

00:38:52.740 coordinated violence against white south africans and don trump in a very commendable move i must

00:39:00.460 say look we're not trump guys i like that this happened like that you got him in the room and

00:39:05.100 said well hey hey look at this video and just like you're showing your friend the latest lincoln park

00:39:11.100 music video like hey look over there watch this watch this and be quiet so we watch it together

00:39:17.080 i'm going to look over to you to make sure you're watching it too this is my favorite part i'm

00:39:22.180 showing you clips of the hangover this very much the energy of have you heard of zach alfanakis

00:39:32.280 watch this watch it let me pull it up boom and then just showed i'm not we're gonna play because

00:39:39.720 the audio sucks but it's it's the stuff we've probably seen of that south african parties

00:39:46.000 kill the bow or you know like there's so much of this shit and um i'm just gonna skip to the end

00:39:52.520 here these are the these are burial sites right here burial sites over a thousand of white farmers

00:40:01.880 and those cars are lined up to pay love on a sunday morning each one of those white things

00:40:07.300 you see is a cross and there's approximately a thousand of them they're all white farmers

00:40:12.520 the family of white farmers and those cars aren't uh driving to stop there to pay respects to their

00:40:17.440 family member who was killed uh and it's a terrible sight i've never seen anything like it

00:40:21.860 no real criticism from me from that um i like that he said white too he didn't try and smear

00:40:31.300 that up with his like the you know the boars the south africans yeah yeah no they're white

00:40:37.780 you're killing the whites they're killing the whites every one of those white things it's a

00:40:45.220 white body who's killing them i can't say this is the word some people say i can't say the other

00:40:51.540 people say connor west he gave me the pass i've got the pass should i say it i'm not gonna say it

00:41:01.400 can't but like credit where credit's due that uh this has to be elon musk though right yeah

00:41:13.220 there's there's no way it wouldn't make sense that i don't think donald trump has ever really

00:41:17.520 mentioned this in his life however this would be a subject near and dear to the heart of elon musk

00:41:23.160 whose family is from that area and there's there are so many cases of whites getting absolutely

00:41:29.560 stomped elsewhere on the planet in places that frankly matter more like the usa canada australia

00:41:38.560 united kingdom so and you're not mentioning any of that you're like why not why why wouldn't you

00:41:44.340 bring in the newly minted pakistani mayor of rotherham who did her fucking inauguration

00:41:50.440 speech in in urdu bring her in and ask her why she's been defending the rape of thousands of

00:41:56.380 white girls but i mean he doesn't care about that he cares about somehow like a couple of hundred

00:42:01.060 south africans and look i'm not trying to defend the south african government i'm just saying

00:42:04.820 it's a little bit funny that this is the thing that he's picking on and not

00:42:08.900 yeah to that point the only difference between america and south africa is that south africa

00:42:14.200 commemorates its slain on the side of the road it's signified all these dead bodies that

00:42:20.980 no such monuments, no such displays or parades or anything to commemorate the victims of black

00:42:28.540 violence in America. So I hate to say it, I'm not sure the Afrikan refugees know what they're

00:42:36.860 stepping into. They're stepping into a country where somehow the blacks are more hostile towards

00:42:44.280 the whites here, but they're not even allowed to complain. Once they're here, they're not allowed

00:42:48.500 to complain they set off the plane to a bunch of white people saying oh you deserve to die over

00:42:54.520 there and i think it'd be funny if you died over here it'd actually be funnier if you died in this

00:42:58.680 country that's what they're saying to them yeah no i've seen i've seen those videos i've seen

00:43:02.840 people saying as much and it's like of course they'll never get arrested for you know hate

00:43:07.400 inciting violence or whatever the fuck we would but yeah i know the african the boars they have

00:43:13.840 their own you know business going on over there but i almost wanted to just take them aside and

00:43:17.740 say you know there's black people in america right just so you know they're about the ones

00:43:26.960 in america are about as dumb uh but they're richer they're way richer and they're probably

00:43:34.160 better armed they're fatter and they're richer here but that hasn't helped that hasn't helped

00:43:42.260 their situation or made them uh less violent um i got this article here that i don't know

00:43:52.580 how much i want to get into this but i think it's interesting and i'm curious to see what you think

00:43:57.780 about it sure i'm just looking i don't know anything about this sub stack it's written by

00:44:03.220 kitten it's called kittenbeloved.substack.com nice fingers crossed please don't be a tranny

00:44:10.580 Please don't be tranny.

00:44:12.100 I can't take another hit.

00:44:14.820 Monster.

00:44:15.640 It's kind of over.

00:44:16.940 I'm just going to read it.

00:44:17.700 It says, college English majors can't read, is the title.

00:44:21.800 Subtitle, they have one job, but they can't do it.

00:44:26.060 Which is off to a great start, off to the races.

00:44:30.920 It's talking about literacy generally in high school,

00:44:34.660 but mainly in academia for people who specialize in this.

00:44:40.580 So it's citing here how many U.S. adults score at literacy level 4 or higher, about 12% or 1 in 8.

00:44:49.440 Since over 60% of high school grads go on to enroll in college, we know for certainty that the mass majority of them are below level 4 in literacy.

00:44:58.380 College kids are financially, functionally illiterate.

00:45:03.880 Terrible time to misread that.

00:45:05.820 what are those level five literotypes the ones who compromise one percent of adults what can

00:45:12.520 they do uh this is the subject of a recently released study making waves in the education

00:45:17.720 world researchers decide to sit with current college english majors and see just how much

00:45:23.180 they understood of what they read they chose a very challenging text for the modern student

00:45:27.660 bleak house by dickens specifically the first seven paragraphs i'm not gonna read the paragraphs

00:45:33.020 now, but just stay with me. The methodology is that an interviewer sits with each student on

00:45:38.120 one-on-one and listens to them read the passages from the book aloud. As the students read,

00:45:41.720 they must translate what they read into modern English. Then it goes to the methodology here.

00:45:46.920 I'm going to skip that. How do they do on more complex and archaic language like Dickens? Not

00:45:53.560 well. 58% of the students understood very little of what they read. 38% could not understand about

00:46:00.460 half the sentences, 5% could understand all the seven paragraphs. These are college age students

00:46:07.500 majoring in English. That is who they're testing. 58% of them really couldn't understand Dickens or

00:46:15.360 put it in their own words. About half of them are English education majors, which means they'll be

00:46:21.520 teaching books like Bleak House to high school students after graduating, but they themselves

00:46:26.420 cannot understand the literal meaning of the sentences in the opening paragraphs now what

00:46:31.780 do we mean that they can't understand the sentences um it gives a few examples here but um

00:46:38.180 he summarizes here says these problematic readers which are 50 of english majors

00:46:43.380 cannot differentiate between literal and figurative speech and literature when they encounter

00:46:49.220 unfamiliar vocabulary they sometimes leap to fantastical conclusions about the meaning of a

00:46:54.500 passage as this participant who thinks the mention of whiskers refers not to

00:46:59.300 the man it's describing but to an animal these students had full use of

00:47:04.160 dictionaries and even their phones when reading these passages they're free to

00:47:07.820 look up and search any terms they didn't recognize but these resources did not

00:47:11.720 help them understand the text how many of them do you want to bet just open chat

00:47:16.760 GPT I'm looking at it right now and it seems like they didn't even do that

00:47:23.000 because I'm assuming ChatGPT would have given them

00:47:25.620 better answers in this.

00:47:26.540 These answers are shocking.

00:47:28.400 It's like, holy shit.

00:47:31.880 In my not-so-humble opinion,

00:47:33.720 call this performance competent,

00:47:35.120 does a disservice to the term.

00:47:36.760 They cannot tell what speech is metaphorical versus literal.

00:47:39.820 They cannot disambiguate between periods of time

00:47:42.760 and the names of characters,

00:47:43.840 probably because they lack the background knowledge

00:47:45.740 to understand the reference.

00:47:47.440 I think there's a subtext of race

00:47:50.400 and like the culture of origin here that the author kitten is not addressing because how many

00:47:58.280 english majors are actually white now and well here's the thing i would speculate on and this

00:48:06.680 isn't mentioned oh hold on sorry it actually does say right here the sample is from two public

00:48:11.100 universities in kansas almost entirely white that's what i remember okay now i remember

00:48:17.700 seriously is kansas that retarded so i was right all along americans are dumb well here's the other

00:48:23.920 thing that some people would read that without knowing that information say well these are

00:48:27.320 obviously black and brown and i think the nature of the education system which has been the case

00:48:34.720 for as long as i can remember is it regresses to the lowest common denominator so you almost

00:48:40.320 never fail anyone just due to poor performance just pass the buck down to the universities who

00:48:46.140 just want them for their revenue streams so you just you're shepherding retard to the system and

00:48:52.460 giving them credentials but then they also have to change the demands of the curriculum change

00:48:58.920 the tests change every aspect of academia which seems to suppress not the right side of the bell

00:49:06.440 curve perhaps like i don't think everyone's gone stupider but i do think if we're looking at the

00:49:11.340 hump of the bell curve it can be dragged leftward on the iq distribution just by the nature of the

00:49:19.860 education system you can make middling people dumber maybe not the smartest because they can

00:49:24.240 they can have tutors they could have help at home but i think there's enough of a shift where even

00:49:29.580 if it's an all-white school is still adhering to an africanized curriculum in a sense so you're

00:49:38.500 you're not teaching and literacy is a good one because i i think if you actually gave them more

00:49:43.860 exposure to stuff like they're not going to be reading latin but we're talking that they can't

00:49:49.300 understand metaphor that's fucked that means you can't abstract thoughts you can't that means you

00:49:55.980 probably can't understand time not correctly not to be a dad about it but it's not just the

00:50:01.680 africanization of the education system um i got i went to a teacher you know what are you

00:50:08.440 call it fucking teacher parent parent teacher pth yeah whatever it's fucking called a parent

00:50:13.360 teacher parent parent teachers we went to that and apparently my daughter is the only kid in

00:50:18.400 class that reads books like she can't read because she's five she can you know she she reads she

00:50:23.100 picks up books and she loves books she sits and reads books because we read constantly we read

00:50:26.380 like five books a day here um at home and we like practice reading and writing with her and the only

00:50:31.020 reason i do that is because like i think that's what you're supposed to do like my parents did

00:50:34.360 that with me when i was a kid so we do it i'm not like the i'm not like number one dad it's just

00:50:38.340 the thing we do but apparently i'm the only fucking dad doing that same same thing with

00:50:42.180 nickels from an early early age we got him reading and you start even though they can't read the

00:50:47.820 words the fact that they from an early age they know how to turn a page blows my mind that's just

00:50:54.600 kind of a strange thing to master when you can't even like figure out how to like rotate a sphere

00:51:00.920 in your hand but they know how page works and they know sequence and they even just by judging

00:51:05.820 they can like i'll see him try and return to a page that he remembers like okay like you're

00:51:12.020 building something here that i'm learning other kids aren't building yeah but i think related to

00:51:17.780 that um the fact that she enjoys and is connected to books is because aside from the fact that we

00:51:24.300 let her read books we don't really let her watch any tv we don't do video games they never touch

00:51:29.580 if they never touch screens that they can get interactive feedback from so they don't like we

00:51:35.120 don't let them use the remote on the tv if they are watching tv they're not allowed to touch our

00:51:39.220 phones they're not allowed to do any any like dope dopamine feedback loops they're not allowed to

00:51:44.040 create those and i'm wondering if that's a big part of it because i remember like my parents

00:51:47.940 telling me when i was a kid like you know my upbringing was odd for a millennial that i wasn't

00:51:52.600 allowed to watch a lot of tv at all until i was a teenager um and i wasn't allowed to do a lot of

00:51:57.940 you know we didn't do video game consoles and the whole thing so i i wonder whether that's part of

00:52:03.960 it it's not even like um it's not even how do you describe it it's in some sense it's the parents

00:52:10.380 fault but it's the fucking planet man because how do you even raise a kid like how do you get like

00:52:16.700 i know like we're old we're fucking old a 17 or 18 year old today i feel sorry for them trying to

00:52:23.680 get to that age without being on a screen eight hours a day how do you how do you even do that

00:52:29.660 you're in such a strange position now that i'm sure other people are in as well where your

00:52:35.380 daughter is the only one who's normal in a class of abnormal by your measure normal by my my measure

00:52:41.640 but the thing is my daughter is actually abnormal i'm worried about her being some kind of a

00:52:44.680 pariah that people don't like her well that's what i'm saying like like she she's doing healthy

00:52:49.640 smart things but she's surrounded by dopamine addicted scoundrel children so now they're gonna

00:52:57.380 think she's a nerd just because she knows how to fucking read and so i guess what we were saying

00:53:01.620 was that the danger would be that she starts suppressing that to fit in right right but that

00:53:08.260 like i don't know what we're raising kids now so i don't know what that's like in 10 years i don't

00:53:13.160 know what it's like in 15 years but i think i think that's what this is this is because this

00:53:17.180 these would be gen z i guess who would be tested here right if it was a recent test

00:53:20.680 so it's people that were raised almost entirely on social media dopamine loops of course

00:53:25.420 they don't know any of this language their entire vocabulary is built around

00:53:29.620 16 word tweets or whatever you know what i mean yeah no but that's we do very much the same thing

00:53:36.400 with nichols that um we've shown him some uh shows he actually like his favorite show

00:53:42.740 is this a netflix show called trash truck which is that's a great show which and they're like

00:53:48.740 these 10 minute episodes it's a low stimulation show which is very important because a lot of

00:53:55.300 shows aren't and we discussed this on the show before like even i think it was you told me that

00:53:59.280 peppa pig can even like teach kids that hitting their parents is funny something like that yeah

00:54:05.180 yeah but uh so we'd show him like on the weekend it's like a special little treat sometimes

00:54:12.840 in the afternoon we're making dinner but all throughout the week there's no screen time it's

00:54:18.000 just books and that just seemed normal to me because you know i don't even think we as adults

00:54:24.520 handle screens terribly well no no and when we as adults are on our screens a good amount of the

00:54:31.680 content we see is these children driven insane by screens like how many videos have we passed

00:54:37.160 amongst each other where you're seeing like the dopamine addicted kid who was like screaming that

00:54:42.100 the tablet's taken away you're thinking well we can't have that but even like my mom is surprised

00:54:47.340 by that i'm like or they'll say oh that's good but i'm like why didn't you do that you realize

00:54:52.980 you did the opposite though you your generation raised us all on tv that's why i'm so fucked up

00:54:57.200 yeah yeah that's why i watched like dangerous minds when i was too young and that

00:55:02.220 michelle pfeiffer trying to you know spit turn the chair backwards sit and trying to fix black

00:55:08.880 youths yeah thank you for well i mean thank you for making me racist see i i credit my dad with

00:55:16.500 a bit of this because my dad was the one who essentially refused to let my brother and i do

00:55:20.640 any of this stuff but then by the time i was and i don't even remember now because i'm fucking old

00:55:25.140 i guess i might have must have been 11 or 12 when my parents got divorced my brother would have been

00:55:29.860 six and then after my dad left the house then it was fine everything's kosher now

00:55:35.860 so and then my brother is a degenerate fat neat so like and i like i can't be a

00:55:42.500 coincidence that you know he's he's mr bionicle in world of warcraft and i want to destroy the

00:55:49.380 government so yeah it's simple stuff it's simple if you let it be simple but yeah like i'm noticing

00:55:55.540 that other kids aren't like that or everyone's impressed that he reads books like well he's not

00:56:00.340 he's kind of reading but not but also he he loves books especially if they're about construction

00:56:05.140 vehicles uh or sharks the two coolest things and then where those intersect is what he's really

00:56:13.060 interested in yeah it's the synthesis of sharks and uh bulldozers we're driving along and he sees

00:56:19.140 a bulldozer or a crane

00:56:20.780 and he goes whoa

00:56:22.480 whoa

00:56:24.640 and I go whoa is right

00:56:27.260 and then if ever I'm driving without

00:56:29.200 him I see a crane now I go

00:56:31.140 whoa

00:56:31.680 to myself but

00:56:35.060 I'm just I'm loving being in that

00:56:37.140 moment I'm loving like you know what that is a steam

00:56:39.100 roller I fucking love steam rollers

00:56:41.100 nice it's a good day

00:56:42.920 he's having a great day because he saw

00:56:45.100 a motor grader and you know what I'm having a

00:56:47.080 great day to do seeing it by myself I saw two

00:56:49.020 cranes today what do you do oh you 10x on crypto guess what i i saw a bull i saw two bulldozers

00:56:57.620 side by side damn when have you seen that i saw the biggest dumb truck you've ever seen started

00:57:04.960 off shooting dice in the cum slump learned how to load the nine millimeter canic and change the

00:57:11.460 trajectory of everything you gotta you gotta bring him by sometime because we uh when we're

00:57:19.180 taking the girls out with the neighbor we'll go to his barn and he lets them crawl around inside

00:57:23.880 the combine and the big uh all of the harvest equipment and even for the girls they just lost

00:57:29.400 their mind but like they're his son and i that's got to be fucking life o'riley just being able to

00:57:34.400 you know you're four years old and you can just go into the fucking barn and crawl up inside a

00:57:39.080 john deere harvester but just the coolest shit when he was at a very young age we took him to

00:57:45.880 a fair in town they had all the the best vehicles the top ones you got ambulance fire truck

00:57:54.920 police car and him encountering his the first fire truck he's ever encountered in real life

00:58:02.200 It was like you meeting a celebrity.

00:58:04.960 It was like a gay man meeting.

00:58:06.640 He's frozen.

00:58:07.400 He's like, I dreamt of this moment, but I don't know what to do with my hands.

00:58:12.460 Like he was frozen.

00:58:13.620 Like I've thought about this day my whole life.

00:58:16.700 And now I'm here and I don't know what to do.

00:58:18.380 He's like, we had to go.

00:58:21.880 We had to go because the fireman's like, does he want to come in?

00:58:23.960 I'm like, I don't know if he knows what's real right now.

00:58:27.800 just got a couple pieces of show news to get to before we get to the book i wanted to bring a

00:58:33.520 couple things um there's a new article up on the vanguardist journal vanguardistjournal.substack.com

00:58:40.000 it's called a spider web of interrogations without end it's about uh the concept of the vibe shift

00:58:48.560 um i think people are going to like it it's been getting some good response and i

00:58:52.840 did an interview that hasn't aired yet

00:58:55.300 with corruptos on his show

00:58:56.800 seeking the hidden thing

00:58:57.980 all about that so I'll let everyone know when that goes live

00:59:01.420 it was a great episode

00:59:03.140 characteristically we spent the first

00:59:05.260 half of it just me going off on tangents

00:59:07.380 and not talking about

00:59:08.760 the topic that I was invited on

00:59:11.020 he was having a great time but

00:59:12.260 that can go either way with people

00:59:14.940 people are going to love it or

00:59:16.740 probably going to hate it but

00:59:18.480 I had a great time

00:59:19.840 so at least one person did

00:59:22.140 At least one person had an orgasm tonight.

00:59:25.840 I'd also like to bring people's attention to the Good Suffer store,

00:59:30.180 goodsuffer.com.

00:59:32.300 There's a shirt on there that I worked on in partnership

00:59:36.180 with the Sunflower Society and the Laughing Man who runs that.

00:59:41.020 And it's a shirt that I'm very proud of.

00:59:43.800 It's the Give War a Chance shirt.

00:59:46.880 A lot of people have been loving that design,

00:59:50.060 And he was instrumental in getting that design.

00:59:53.080 So just if people haven't checked it out yet,

00:59:55.180 the Give War a Chance shirt.

00:59:59.180 If you're going to like it,

01:00:01.040 I think it's one of our better shirts.

01:00:03.360 Also, there's a new Real Secret Coffee Hours.

01:00:06.200 There's actually two that I haven't brought up.

01:00:08.900 I didn't bring it up on the live stream.

01:00:10.940 One is so wild because it's by Rich Hanania.

01:00:16.740 So on Real Secret Coffee Hours, it's on Patreon, it's on Gumroad.

01:00:20.060 I review sub stacks, right?

01:00:22.300 And I never reviewed one by Rich Hanania.

01:00:24.700 You know who Rich Hanania is, right?

01:00:26.540 Yeah, of course.

01:00:27.480 So I've seen him be wrong before.

01:00:30.720 I've seen him be, you know, very passionately incorrect.

01:00:36.780 But I never really stopped and read one of his pieces.

01:00:39.400 And it was the most unhinged thing I've read at least since yesterday.

01:00:45.180 Nice.

01:00:45.460 I was worried you were going to say that it was actually really cogent and you liked it.

01:00:48.840 no it was fucked up it was fucked up in a way that i it was worse than i could have imagined

01:00:53.580 because i still held out some semblance of hope that he was playing a character

01:00:58.780 but this is all part of some performance art piece he's trolling everyone um or at least

01:01:04.400 grifting off people that don't i don't care about those fools and their money are soon parted

01:01:09.160 but i'll give you a brief rundown if you want the full thing go listen to the episode

01:01:13.480 but um he was talking about how and this will sound like a strange summary but i i swear this

01:01:21.400 is what it is that uh students male students sleeping with their female teachers is part of

01:01:28.980 the reason of the birth rate decline and that we're a society of prudes now now and he's saying

01:01:36.560 that little boys can't be molested by their female teachers now i know some people are here then

01:01:42.260 saying okay there hey maybe there's a kernel of truth in there and let me just say this his example

01:01:51.140 was he he described it in the piece and gave a link to the actual story so the way he described

01:01:57.060 it was that a teenager slept with his uh young adult teacher right and you're imagining okay like

01:02:06.420 16 she's 25

01:02:08.320 okay fine

01:02:09.900 if you click the link and go to the

01:02:12.480 story that he brought up

01:02:14.540 it was a 35

01:02:16.260 year old woman who slept with a

01:02:18.520 12 year old boy

01:02:19.500 and got pregnant

01:02:22.480 oh

01:02:24.000 fuck and he

01:02:25.900 that's one piece of evidence he

01:02:28.260 cited that's the link that is the

01:02:30.400 link that he cited yeah

01:02:32.300 and there's another link he

01:02:34.340 cited separate case if only we

01:02:36.200 thought that was cool we would we would not have a problem with tfr and then and then the second

01:02:42.660 example he cited he gave a couple was a 13 year old and like a 30 something woman so i'm like no

01:02:49.560 okay like no no i i'm willing to meet people have ways like okay what if it's like a six 15 16 year

01:02:55.660 on like a 22 year old teacher i'm like okay look that would still be predatory in a sense because

01:03:02.340 you say what's wrong with that woman

01:03:04.360 that's like because also you have to keep in mind

01:03:06.240 that she's probably built her whole life around this

01:03:08.260 because and also just

01:03:09.940 I'm saying what I say

01:03:12.260 in the piece too but if you

01:03:14.140 read into the story

01:03:15.240 about what this woman was doing which is what

01:03:17.920 men do when they're sleeping with young people

01:03:20.120 do it's also plying them with liquor

01:03:22.260 it's also providing them drugs

01:03:24.220 it's also like having orgies

01:03:26.400 with their friends and also

01:03:27.900 these grown women telling

01:03:30.020 the kids if you tell your parents

01:03:32.060 about this i'm gonna kill them that's what she said so i'm like the question is whether or not

01:03:38.700 this woman deserves to be walking around free because i'm like there's there's real crimes in

01:03:44.620 here and you might say well what's what's the real crime does she deserve being prison like well she

01:03:49.500 deserves something she we have to say as a society this is aberrant behavior this is fucked up you're

01:03:55.460 a fucked up person for doing that and saying that uh first of all i shouldn't be a teacher

01:03:59.500 second of all

01:04:00.660 you shouldn't have

01:04:01.660 a vagina

01:04:02.100 I don't think

01:04:02.820 you get to have

01:04:03.260 one anymore

01:04:03.820 taking it back

01:04:04.920 her getting

01:04:06.060 pregnant

01:04:06.620 from that

01:04:07.360 12 year old

01:04:08.280 because okay

01:04:09.360 sure boys

01:04:10.020 hit puberty

01:04:10.720 earlier

01:04:11.600 you know

01:04:12.040 I guess

01:04:12.580 girls hit puberty

01:04:14.080 early too

01:04:14.540 I guess

01:04:14.800 but it's like

01:04:15.920 okay are you

01:04:17.260 trying to say

01:04:17.840 he

01:04:18.420 Rich Hanani

01:04:19.460 was saying

01:04:19.840 like that kid

01:04:20.580 seduced the woman

01:04:21.720 because we live

01:04:23.720 in a culture

01:04:24.140 I'm like

01:04:24.440 no

01:04:25.040 and I'm reading

01:04:26.540 this I'm thinking

01:04:26.900 oh you're insane

01:04:28.080 you're you're a fucking sociopath because even if even if this were a bit or a troll i would never

01:04:35.340 write that because that's reprehensible and i don't think you need to have sons and daughters

01:04:40.900 to understand the logic of this just like you know i said early in that piece i said here's

01:04:47.760 my most controversial opinions i think the laws we have right now on the age of consent

01:04:55.600 are pretty good i don't i don't i don't dislike what we got i like 18 is when you're adult 16

01:05:04.980 is the age of consent you could add more you could add more on top of it the ages themselves

01:05:11.180 make sense we should probably have more laws but see we have this we have laws against rape

01:05:18.700 we all know what rape is yeah but i like that we have this thing called statutory rape which is

01:05:26.260 understanding that look if you're a 45 year old guy a 35 year old woman and you're trying to fuck

01:05:32.440 a 14 year old or a 16 year old let's say age of consent 16 because he was saying they weren't

01:05:38.820 underage of course yes they're under 12 rich but let's say a 42 year old and a 16 year old like

01:05:44.360 That is legal in the strictest sense of the law, but there's something up with you.

01:05:50.920 You're a weird guy for doing that.

01:05:53.000 I want to keep an eye on you because that is not a normal thing.

01:05:56.380 It's actually not normal for a 35-year-old guy.

01:05:58.960 I don't want to fuck a 16-year-old.

01:06:00.660 Outside of arguments like, well, there's a puberty.

01:06:03.700 They're sexually developed.

01:06:04.560 I'm like, but there's something going on there.

01:06:07.500 What if we said, hey, we can't imprison you or fine you for it,

01:06:11.780 but your employer is allowed to fire you for it and you're allowed to be discriminated against

01:06:18.780 although i mean technically you should be able to discriminate against anybody for anything so i'm

01:06:22.980 kind of i'll walk that back but yeah no there should be there should be a way to

01:06:27.280 there should be a way to punish these people because yeah there's something wrong with you

01:06:32.240 i look now look i get okay do we are we gonna are we talking about the whole fucking thing you

01:06:36.800 said we are we talking about this or do you want to save it for the for the coffee hours well

01:06:41.280 because the signature coffee hours is just my take so i'd love to hear yours so we're on it

01:06:45.520 like there is the argument and i'm not advocating this i'm just repeating it there's the argument

01:06:51.440 that hey biologically this is the problem with this it's naturalist thing natural what is it

01:06:56.500 naturalism fallacy or whatever but biologically women are attracted to men that are roughly the

01:07:04.220 same age as them and men are always attracted to the youngest conceivable women that can

01:07:08.780 bear children so it'd be like men are always attracted to 16 year olds that might be biologically

01:07:14.200 true we can say that's biologically true without without moralizing it and saying that it's a good

01:07:20.180 thing you know and yeah and that's where people get caught up and i wanted to say that i'm like

01:07:25.000 you're like oh what's wrong with a 45 year old guy wanting to fuck a 16 year old there's nothing

01:07:29.440 wrong with that it's perfectly natural like i'm not saying it isn't perfect can i give you an

01:07:33.380 insane extreme of that that i just saw because i know some people are going to be saying that i'm

01:07:37.980 advocating for this, but I saw an article

01:07:40.180 about David Duchovny

01:07:41.420 from X-Files. He's in his 60s.

01:07:44.820 He's out with his new

01:07:46.040 young girlfriend who's in

01:07:48.120 her mid-30s, and people

01:07:50.160 are like, these age gap

01:07:51.660 relationships are sick. I mean, mid-30s

01:07:54.120 and whatever.

01:07:55.340 Okay, she's fucking 30. He's

01:07:58.080 not predatory.

01:08:00.500 Look, the same assholes

01:08:02.160 who are calling that out would be

01:08:03.740 making fun of her for hitting the wall.

01:08:06.140 Can I just say a couple of things? And I didn't say these

01:08:07.960 in the piece so this is hot off the presses one if you're in your 30s you're already in hag

01:08:14.940 territory depending on how you wear your hair yes yes yes you can be a very pretty lady but

01:08:21.120 if you're slacking you're you're straight up hag so yeah he's dating a hag who gives a shit

01:08:26.220 um secondly what they would say is well what does he talk to her about what does an older guy talk

01:08:34.320 to a younger woman about to which i'd say nigger what do you talk to a 45 year old woman about

01:08:40.960 here's the secret talking to an 18 year old woman is about the same as talking to a 45 year old

01:08:46.820 woman they watch the same reality shows they listen to the same music they're about the same

01:08:52.480 politically it's it's not it's not like i would be there there was this case of like shannon sharp

01:08:57.580 who's like this 60 year old black guy who's caught with like a 20 something girl to say

01:09:01.020 how could he i'm like what do you even talk about i'm like okay to be fair if you want to object to

01:09:06.320 something there's things you could object to but don't tell me that you're not like the 50 year

01:09:12.180 woman is so much more intellectually stimulating shut the fuck up have you talked to a 50 year old

01:09:17.320 woman recently this is this is a young guy's mistake thinking that everything advances the

01:09:21.440 only thing that advances ironically is if you actually have a wife she will follow you along

01:09:25.860 for decades and become more like you and that's the only case in which you do have but you can't

01:09:30.240 just be a 60 year old guy meet a random unmarried 60 year old broad and think she's going to be

01:09:34.880 anything more than a 22 year old she's going to say the same thing the exact same shit and we've

01:09:40.020 all seen it we've all seen it have you know what i'm trump what i was thinking about i'm trying to

01:09:45.800 articulate this the thing with the um with the the people trying to like the people rich hanania

01:09:51.880 trying to rationalize a 35 year old woman and a 12 year old boy and it's like it's all in the

01:09:58.300 context of whether or not like the whole thing is about pedophilia like the whole context of

01:10:04.760 the conversation is about oh it's so awful that we consider this pedophilia as in terms of like

01:10:10.260 what's statutory rape or it's a statutory crime and it's not about the morality of it or the

01:10:15.900 social effect of it or the effect on the family or the effect on you know anything else i which

01:10:21.240 is ironic because technically that's what his article is supposed to be about right is the

01:10:24.260 effect on tfr but he's not considering any of that he's like well you know it's not even it's i mean

01:10:29.680 it's technically rape but it's not even really rape like let's say you live in a world where

01:10:34.060 it's not rape the whole reason why we consider it to be rape is because that boy is not a man

01:10:40.420 he's a boy he can't make decisions he's not emotionally formed you are damaging him if you

01:10:45.920 look at two parallel universes where you did that to that kid and then you didn't do it to him

01:10:49.800 that kid's going to grow up and do all kinds of fucked up shit because of what you did to him

01:10:53.720 also what's going to happen to the child the child has a dad who's 12 years older than him

01:10:59.560 he may as well be fucking fatherless you touch on something very interesting there which is um the

01:11:05.460 he's trying to claim that this is causing the drop in total fertility rate and the argument he was

01:11:10.000 making behind this all was that these young boys boys are different than girls accepted i accept

01:11:17.960 that everyone accepts that yes but he's and so men tend to be more predatory and how they court

01:11:24.420 women okay i'm with you he was trying to propose a model where these boys were the ones seducing

01:11:32.280 the older women right that's what he was saying was happening and they were just sucked into that

01:11:39.280 and i'm saying well that that didn't happen that doesn't make any fucking sense but clearly did

01:11:44.000 not happen but i recognize this that this is a we're not trying to say everything's pedophilia

01:11:49.100 you you made the point saying this is all framed within the pedophilia discussion but more

01:11:53.300 specifically this is what pedophiles think there's a long running and you can watch this in

01:11:58.980 documentaries if you listen to pedophiles talk this is how they justify it that it's these

01:12:04.360 children that are seducing them that these children are just so mature yes they're presenting

01:12:09.920 themselves to me like what can i do so there's this myth that the children and this is what they

01:12:15.120 advocate for this is why you have to be careful these people they try and advocate for children

01:12:18.920 as switched on sexual beings that are the initiators in this so that's why this whole

01:12:26.380 rich and any thing i used to think perhaps he's a troll like no no you this is quite literally

01:12:31.940 if if you are not open if you're not a pedophile yourself i'm not even saying that but this is a

01:12:36.800 pedophiles argument that it was the 12 year olds who seduced these poor older women which which

01:12:42.420 just on its face sounds insane but if you dig deeper into it it becomes a lot darker and and

01:12:48.500 by the way how would how would legalizing pedophilia fix tfr are you implying that our

01:12:53.800 entire society is just a bunch of suppressed pedophiles because that's also a pedophiles

01:12:58.060 cope it's like oh i'm not that bad i'm the same as the rest of you like no no you're all like me

01:13:04.080 i'm the one who has the bravery to act on it there you go that's what that is that is the

01:13:10.820 subtext right there that's what pedophiles do like i'm just doing what you're all thinking

01:13:14.620 and they believe that because they're so locked into that frame of reference anyway if you want

01:13:19.520 to hear more you want to hear more about this yeah this horrible gut-wrenching thing listen

01:13:26.120 to real secret coffee hours on uh patreon and gumroad and then there's another one that went

01:13:30.520 up recently that's all about maga communism which is a bit less fun but it's it's still good um

01:13:39.180 i wanted to talk about this book that it took me a while to get through been recommended so many

01:13:45.460 times from so many different people and it's highly regarded in this space and elsewhere

01:13:50.180 and i didn't know where to fit it in previously because sometimes we go on these thematic arcs

01:13:55.400 connect other books and i'm not trying to go on to a world war ii theme for the next few episodes

01:14:01.860 but i think this is something that we haven't discussed in detail before the book is called

01:14:08.720 stalin's war uh have you heard of that book before have you heard people mention it before

01:14:14.060 no i haven't actually the full title is stalin's war a new history of world war ii by sean

01:14:19.920 McMeekin. So this might get grouped under revisionist history. I mean, it's billed as a

01:14:26.140 new history of World War II. And the idea is that we're all familiar with the post-war consensus

01:14:34.940 of what occurred during World War II. So, you know, America saves the day. Hitler's the bad guy.

01:14:42.400 Europe's kind of involved. We don't talk about Japan that much, even though they should.

01:14:47.080 and there's this understanding that

01:14:49.980 the Soviet Union was a big

01:14:52.280 player and even now they'll say oh well it's actually

01:14:54.120 the Soviet Union that

01:14:55.400 toppled Berlin but that's about

01:14:58.080 all most people know

01:15:00.280 yeah with American

01:15:01.560 funding arms and material

01:15:03.980 yeah

01:15:04.340 and we get into that in the book too you're going to like that

01:15:07.580 but the big thing is that

01:15:09.960 Hitler was the instigator he's the bad guy

01:15:11.880 there would be no World War

01:15:13.940 II without Adolf Hitler

01:15:15.820 in Nazi Germany and I think

01:15:17.880 this book does a very good job

01:15:19.860 of reframing that and

01:15:21.780 showing not trying to

01:15:23.740 absolve Hitler I think it's a mistake

01:15:26.260 to act like some people

01:15:27.840 do where Hitler was just the victim in

01:15:29.680 World War II and everyone was just

01:15:31.540 bullying him I've seen that argument

01:15:33.700 made I think you need to

01:15:35.620 give Hitler the agency

01:15:37.760 to have played a significant role

01:15:39.440 if you want to give Hitler a break you can say

01:15:41.400 he was the aggressor but

01:15:43.300 it was a righteous

01:15:44.600 it was righteous aggression

01:15:46.400 and you could even say that

01:15:49.220 Hitler

01:15:50.560 very well could have won

01:15:52.220 and I think the argument made in the book is that

01:15:54.400 if there was no lend lease

01:15:56.660 program between America and the

01:15:58.680 Soviet Union I think Nazi

01:16:00.800 Germany would have

01:16:02.000 almost certainly

01:16:03.260 the only way the Soviet Union survived

01:16:06.880 was kept alive by American

01:16:08.760 capital and war planes and

01:16:10.660 food and it's very

01:16:12.620 clear on that

01:16:13.260 And we'll get into how Stalin's feelings on that point being that this book, we're going to do a lot of reading from this, but I wanted to just summarize it as best I could at the top.

01:16:25.400 What I liked about it was it shows that not only was Stalin and the Soviet Union more pivotal in the war, but perhaps even one of the primary instigators of it.

01:16:40.420 Stalin had a reasonably consistent approach to foreign affairs, which was actually much more successful than Hitler's.

01:16:46.420 And he didn't get the exact war he wanted in Europe.

01:16:48.780 In fact, in Asia, it worked out far more closely to Stalin's kind of ideal design.

01:16:53.780 That is what he wanted to happen, which was this kind of war of attrition between us.

01:16:57.260 He saw the capitalist powers, which would eventually allow the Soviets to kind of sweep in at the right moment with a war of opportunity, exactly as they did in 1945.

01:17:05.740 In Europe, it nearly turned out the way Stalin wanted.

01:17:08.440 i think the real difference there was that while stalin definitely uh saw the prospect of a war

01:17:13.480 between hitler and the western powers i mean there's a little bit of this kind of almost

01:17:16.600 game of chicken where uh from stalin's perspective the western powers were of course trying to trick

01:17:22.280 hitler into going to war with him and you hear this a lot from soviet diplomats in the 1930s

01:17:26.840 we're not going to do that again you know we're not going to have this happen again suffered so

01:17:30.680 much in the first world war uh this is even the theme of stalin's so-called chestnut speech we're

01:17:35.640 We're not going to have them pull their chestnuts out of the fire for them.

01:17:39.840 It's actually pretty fairly clearly stated.

01:17:42.260 That is to say that Stalin did not want to be sucked into a war effectively by the Western powers.

01:17:47.520 Which should not be surprising because we have discussed this before.

01:17:51.340 I remember many, many episodes ago we were reading this book called The Matrokin Archives.

01:17:58.180 And a lot of Marxists today and leftists will say that that's all forgeries and fraud.

01:18:04.420 but i don't believe that to be the case uh and also from what we know from exhaustive sources

01:18:10.580 and investigations is that the american government was very porous at the time far more porous than

01:18:18.100 the soviet union and america was pretty well infiltrated by communist spies and agents yeah

01:18:26.360 um you know uh joseph mccarthy was fundamentally correct and this idea of the red scare is a piece

01:18:36.520 of propaganda cooked up by the reds saying that if you just went insane looking for communist

01:18:41.720 spies no there was a lot of communist spies in the american government at some very very high

01:18:46.920 levels like the head of the treasury which we'll get into in a little bit point being that that

01:18:53.160 was not achieved by america in the soviet union it's not like the soviet union was filled with

01:18:58.200 american spies it was just a one-way thing and if you read the writings of lenin very early on after

01:19:08.280 uh the successful revolutions here's the claim i'll make and i know some people are going to

01:19:14.920 disagree with this but gonna say it anyway that uh people talk about stalinism as if joseph

01:19:20.840 stalin was his own like an aberration within the communist system that he was way worse than anyone

01:19:29.320 before after him and after him uh certainly however based on the readings i've done i don't

01:19:36.200 see stalin as significantly different than lenin and if you read what lenin was saying the reason

01:19:43.240 why the soviet union was so effective at getting so much made subversive agents all throughout the

01:19:49.480 the American government and in American society trying to make American society more friendly

01:19:54.780 to the communist revolution, was that they truly believed, and Stalin was a true believer,

01:19:59.980 this is what I had come to understand, so was Lenin, obviously, they truly believed

01:20:03.040 that what they were doing was a worldwide revolution, and that the western world, the

01:20:08.240 capitalist world, would rise up against them inevitably, there could be no peaceful coexistence

01:20:13.740 at all with the capitalist west so the earlier they get on this the better so they were

01:20:20.180 infiltrating america before america knew what was going on basically and this was the case right up

01:20:26.520 until the end of world war ii as far as i can tell because the americans and the british were caught

01:20:31.080 flat-footed constantly and being very deferential to stalin when he was already orchestrating their

01:20:36.940 subversion because he saw what they were doing as a global revolution well i think there's always

01:20:43.060 been this ineffable sense that look the the true believers you know they obviously want to white

01:20:48.180 wash or ignore this aspect of it but what they're looking at is the final goal they're saying well

01:20:52.740 but he said that once the revolution was finally over well then we would have peace and class would

01:20:58.580 be abolished and to each according to his needs and we would all be able to do the proverbial

01:21:03.780 kind of you know fish in the morning and read books in the afternoon and have tea in the evening

01:21:08.580 and we'd be living in this kumbaya paradise but when it came to how you achieve the revolution

01:21:13.680 marx was always quite explicit about the violence that was required um i mean a lot of people said

01:21:19.460 well he never actually had a chance during his lifetime to put it into practice well the closest

01:21:23.100 the closest that that it really came in marx's lifetime to something like a communist revolution

01:21:28.220 was the paris commune of 1871 and a lot of people who thought marx would distance himself from it

01:21:32.740 because it was kind of non-orthodox it was non-doctrinaire it was it was populist there

01:21:37.660 certain elements of of the communards policies that were not really strictly marxist but were

01:21:41.980 certainly kind of on the left and it was very violent and that was another reason a lot of

01:21:46.060 people thought because mark's being blamed for his first working man's international association

01:21:50.700 found in 1864 was was blamed by the parisian press and by a lot of the european media for

01:21:56.540 being behind uh the sanguinary violence of the commune and its suppression uh but far from

01:22:02.220 distancing himself from it marx kind of doubled down and said absolutely yes it's true they took

01:22:06.780 these bourgeois hostages and they executed the archbishop and they threw women and children

01:22:10.700 into battle it was all sanguinary and bloody yavul he said that's absolutely what is required

01:22:17.340 and more and i think every other nation was trying to see can we work with these people

01:22:21.580 and stalin was far more ideologically possessed far more cunning far more intelligent but

01:22:27.180 far more ruthless as well understanding that no this i don't have friends in this revolution

01:22:32.460 everything I'm doing right now

01:22:33.980 is to expand the Soviet sphere of influence.

01:22:36.860 And he was playing a game

01:22:37.760 that I don't think the other,

01:22:38.840 no other country knew

01:22:39.980 what they were playing

01:22:40.460 except for maybe Hitler,

01:22:42.300 which is why he invaded the Soviet Union.

01:22:44.520 People to this day act like

01:22:46.420 that was a random thing.

01:22:48.840 Acting like,

01:22:49.840 and we'll get in this book

01:22:50.740 why Hitler invaded Soviet Russia,

01:22:53.220 but basically it's a long story

01:22:55.980 of Stalin very cunningly

01:22:59.080 playing people against each other

01:23:01.660 for the benefit of the soviet union invading everything around them while everyone was

01:23:06.220 distracted right so point being that world war ii you see the soviet union as a major player

01:23:13.580 because it served their interest it served the interest to pit hitler germany against the west

01:23:19.740 they would love to see the west fight each other and destroy itself so it could move in and take

01:23:24.060 over and so that the propaganda that many leftists and many liberals believe is that stalin they

01:23:31.100 son didn't want war he thought hitler was his friend and hitler betrayed him like are you

01:23:37.260 stupid like that would make hit that would make stalin a very stupid man and he wasn't a stupid

01:23:42.700 man but you believe in this sort of moralizing this moralizing sort of uh postwar consensus

01:23:48.780 where where everyone's just a naive fool like you the only knife will seem to be

01:23:55.580 winston fucking churchill and actually roosevelt yep i think i think churchill was probably better

01:24:03.160 off than roosevelt roosevelt as we'll see like was was just steamrolled this entire like again

01:24:10.280 they were absolute bonehead they didn't know the game they were playing they thought they had a new

01:24:14.760 ally they didn't know that they didn't know how many of the guys in their own inner circle were

01:24:19.620 the communist agitators all right let me just do some reading now that's the summary that's what i

01:24:25.700 like about it and i think that's why this book is so popular so he starts by saying stalin's

01:24:30.660 dialectical view of soviet foreign policy in which the metastasizing conflict between war

01:24:36.420 and capitalist factions would enable communism to advance new triumphs was firmly rooted in

01:24:42.020 marxism leninism based on the precedent of russia's own experience in the first world war

01:24:46.420 and clearly and consistently stated on many occasions both verbally and in print to

01:24:52.180 understand stalin's approach the world does not require fancy ideological footwork or special

01:24:56.980 insight but simply to read the words and evaluate his actions in light of them it asks us to spend

01:25:02.340 a small fraction of energy historians have devoted to divining hitler's ideology strategic thinking

01:25:08.180 and war aims to those of stalin the man who bested him decisively fair point like you spent a lot of

01:25:14.260 time trying to get in the side of in the mind of hitler but how many people actually try and get

01:25:18.820 in the mind of stalin it seems like that was a big blank space as far as i've i've been concerned

01:25:24.580 in this post-war consensus we inhabit it says um the red army and this is stalin speaking to a

01:25:33.780 gathering of the red army the new recruits he says the red army stalin told its future commanders

01:25:40.020 must get used to the idea that the era of peace policy is at an end and that the era of widening

01:25:46.460 the socialist front by force has begun anyone who failed to recognize the necessity of offensive

01:25:52.640 action stalin admonished was a bourgeois and a fool so he's for a long time they were expressing

01:25:59.400 a mantra of peace and he's speaking to the war saying no we must expand we must take the war

01:26:06.440 to the capitalists. In fact, if you don't believe

01:26:08.440 that, you're bourgeois. To the camps

01:26:10.560 with you. This is

01:26:12.060 the defensive doctrine that had animated

01:26:14.620 strategic planning and war gaming

01:26:16.260 for a European conflict prior to

01:26:18.240 1941, he explained, was

01:26:20.220 appropriate only for a weak, unprepared

01:26:22.740 Red Army. But today, he

01:26:24.340 quotes, now that our army has been thoroughly

01:26:26.400 reconstructed, fully outfitted for

01:26:28.080 fighting a modern war, now that we're

01:26:30.200 strong, we must shift from defense

01:26:32.540 to offense.

01:26:34.480 So that's just to get in the

01:26:36.300 of stalin at the time which is again break away from this idea that hitler invaded germany invaded

01:26:43.020 russia for no reason they didn't even know what was happening no they were already primed not

01:26:46.460 only for war but offensive war they were primed for invasion and they thought that was the next

01:26:52.220 step of the socialist revolution well the anarchists it's not that they obviously didn't shy

01:26:58.380 away from violence it would just be it would be a little bit more targeted right so uh they might

01:27:02.380 assassinate a head of state in many cases where it's our or even kind of a you know the head of

01:27:07.980 a factory or a particular person who seemed to be oppressing the workers or mistreating the workers

01:27:13.420 um every so often they would actually assassinate someone by by accident kind of on on on false

01:27:19.020 recognizance um but you know they're not killing everybody uh it's it's more the deed was supposed

01:27:24.300 to be a symbolic act that would i guess somehow liberate people or at the very least uh allow

01:27:32.140 them to have some relief from their oppression um and you know so it's not that the anarchists

01:27:36.460 shied away from violence but they did they definitely didn't have this vision of this

01:27:39.820 kind of all-encompassing mass cleansing violence that the marxist did um and the marxist you know

01:27:45.500 it was like it was maybe counterproductive just to have random acts of terror rather you had to have

01:27:52.860 masses of of the proletarians supposedly but again later on just the soldiers and the battlefield

01:27:57.980 that you know you gave millions of them in some cases thousands in some cases millions arms and

01:28:03.240 they would then basically use those to seize power and terrorize class enemies but it had to be

01:28:08.060 organized you know eventually you actually had to uh create institutions to help uh rationalize

01:28:15.180 well they were deeply suspicious of of autonomous like village level freelancers going off on their

01:28:21.500 own to promote social justice uh right oh that's absolutely true right it had to be organized in

01:28:26.560 the end by the party and by the state well i and i just want to say anybody who hasn't read it like

01:28:31.400 meinkauf mentions that all throughout the first world war hitler already knew that behind his own

01:28:38.460 lines in germany part of the reason they lost was communist agitators and he blamed them for that

01:28:44.260 he knew that most of this was coming from there for the strikes so like like 30 years before he

01:28:48.960 even you know when he was literally fighting in the trenches of world war one he already had a

01:28:53.760 grudge against them and knew that they were agitating against his people yeah and this thing

01:28:58.060 so hitler didn't come to hate communists that's a very good point i just raised uh during this

01:29:03.660 period hitler even in mein comp was very vocal and this i love this part of mein comp where he said

01:29:10.480 that um they were known to be infiltrators so another great mythology that's forwarded by

01:29:16.460 marxists and uh leninists and whatever you want to call themselves is that they have pioneered

01:29:23.300 labor rights and protest movements in the western world and that's not the case if you know anything

01:29:30.180 about guild systems if you know anything about unions if you know anything about cooperatives

01:29:34.500 these existed outside and prior to any sort of communist ideological intrusion they were just

01:29:41.060 co-opted and what yet they were co-opted they had infiltrators and this is what happened in the

01:29:45.460 counterculture movement in the 60s all these people are all the fucking communists are

01:29:50.500 infiltrators and they've single-handedly ruined collective bargaining and labor rights that's

01:29:57.000 that's my contention yeah they've ruined this idea of like a bunch of manufacturers

01:30:04.580 collectivizing because they made this huge political you know keystone when what it

01:30:09.240 originally was was a normal part of labor negotiation that everybody was supposed to be

01:30:13.500 part of my very first book which has not really been read by that many people was about this uh

01:30:19.220 this german communist called willie minzenberg who actually got to know when in switzerland in

01:30:23.120 the war and i i made a big deal in the early chapters of the book about this moment when he's

01:30:29.040 in his case he actually had been a worker he had actually worked in in a shoe factory sorting out

01:30:34.720 scrap leather and that sort of thing but there's this key moment in his life that comes and then

01:30:39.500 he had to be an apprentice in a kind of pharmacist shop when he stops working and he's put on the

01:30:46.400 payroll he becomes a professional revolutionary with a salary and you know then his life just

01:30:50.740 becomes i suppose in his sense he probably thought he was he was doing more important work but you

01:30:55.160 know effectively he's just this kind of political activist right he's just he's in today's world

01:31:00.700 he'd be writing a lot of emails right he's just like he's constantly sending out letters and he's

01:31:04.680 organizing meetings and you know he's putting together placards and posters and riling people

01:31:08.640 up and you know trying to get everyone to and what's kind of funny about it in a way too is

01:31:13.540 it becomes ever more abstract.

01:31:15.100 You know, it's not about, like,

01:31:16.060 let's get better conditions in your factory.

01:31:17.820 It's like, no, no, no, you've got to study up

01:31:19.600 on the Turco-Italian War,

01:31:21.760 and you have to learn about the latest geopolitical developments,

01:31:24.320 and you have to have opinions on them all.

01:31:26.380 You have to become a news junkie.

01:31:28.020 Like, that's really what these people were kind of in practice.

01:31:30.860 Marx himself, he's always writing about world historical events,

01:31:33.700 the Franco-Prussian War, the U.S. Civil War,

01:31:35.620 all these kind of huge Russian invasion of Poland,

01:31:38.780 crushing the Polish rebels.

01:31:39.700 It's always these things.

01:31:40.960 It's never sort of like, what are the conditions like

01:31:43.440 in this factory he didn't have a lot of interest in that if they didn't invent collectivism no

01:31:48.300 matter what they try and tell you the idea of banding together like that was a guild system

01:31:53.180 how far back in time they invented the fucking wheel fuck off guys yeah so uh just moving on

01:31:58.980 here it says as as lenin explained with characteristic bluntness in the pamphlet

01:32:03.520 denouncing the now outmoded petty bourgeois mentality in 1918 if if war is waged by the

01:32:11.220 proletariat after it has conquered the bourgeois in its own country and war is waged with the

01:32:16.120 object of strengthening and extending socialism such a war is legitimate and quote here holy

01:32:22.140 by sending troops to aid lenin's opponents in the naskin uh russian civil war the western allies

01:32:27.580 also provided confirmation of the binary us against them mentality of bolshevik foreign policy

01:32:33.500 so that's what i was trying to say before i don't see a significant difference between the mentality

01:32:38.560 of lenin and the mentality of stalin stalin is seen as a thug a brutal dictator i'm like if lenin

01:32:44.140 had lived during this period i think he would do more or less the same thing just for purely

01:32:49.700 practical reasons you know the the mass purges all that shit um until and here's another quote

01:32:58.100 from lenning until the final victory of socialism in the whole world lenin explained we must exploit

01:33:03.080 the contradictions and opposition between two imperialist power groups between two capitalist

01:33:07.580 groups of states and incite them to attack each other soviet states and that's the end quote

01:33:13.400 there soviet statesmen should strive to increase tensions between rival coalitions in the capitalist

01:33:17.720 world which is boilerplate marxist theory most marxists and leftists now will agree that he must

01:33:24.560 reveal the internal contradictions of the capitalist world how many times have you heard that but for

01:33:28.640 some reason they don't think that's what stalin was doing during world war ii this sounds like

01:33:34.140 the perfect scheme for

01:33:36.140 Stalin to manipulate and

01:33:38.160 agitate for the destruction of

01:33:40.060 Europe for the purposes

01:33:42.200 of moving it and you know

01:33:44.100 a lot look I'm not saying that the Nazis

01:33:46.180 were saints of course

01:33:48.120 when Nazis moved into Poland

01:33:49.940 a lot of people got shot

01:33:51.880 like outside of like the concentration

01:33:53.860 camps and the gas chambers and the

01:33:55.520 remove the holocaust stuff from that

01:33:57.720 it's just the nature of war

01:33:59.740 when you have a massive army

01:34:02.040 moving in 20,000

01:34:04.100 people are getting shot in the back of the head uh you're gonna have barns stacked with bodies

01:34:08.800 it seems to be the case that was the case of the soviet students the case of the nazis

01:34:12.640 but um yeah that's just a thing that happened and the soviets were particularly vicious on

01:34:20.420 that front i mean we don't even need to go into the rape of berlin but also i'm i this will sound

01:34:27.300 maybe too academic

01:34:29.580 but

01:34:30.280 war's bad

01:34:32.840 right

01:34:35.840 I'm going to write that one down for later

01:34:37.640 like I remember

01:34:38.380 there's this big

01:34:40.580 hold on a second you were just promoting the give war a chance

01:34:43.980 shirt on goodsuffer.com

01:34:46.100 I said give it a chance

01:34:47.360 give it a shot give it a try

01:34:48.660 but don't get too eager

01:34:51.140 you're at the buffet

01:34:52.580 I want you to go try the noodles

01:34:55.920 I want you to try the shrimp

01:34:57.360 you don't have to fill your plate just yet

01:34:59.620 in fact that's the problem

01:35:01.580 people don't give

01:35:02.740 they don't sample war

01:35:04.420 they just go right in

01:35:05.980 they go up with two plates at the buffet

01:35:08.260 try to be civilized

01:35:09.460 American style

01:35:10.940 but I remember there was this big debate recently

01:35:13.700 about whether or not

01:35:15.700 the Israeli

01:35:17.920 hostages were raped

01:35:19.480 by the Gazans

01:35:21.820 during the October 7th

01:35:24.020 conflict and people are saying

01:35:25.280 there's no evidence of that there's no evidence that any israelis are raped and i'm like i mean

01:35:29.940 they probably were yeah i'm not saying that as a markings palestines i assume most prisoners

01:35:37.180 if the prisoners of war are women it actually doesn't matter who i bet the israelis do it too

01:35:43.320 the israelis you got a bunch of you got a bunch of dirty illiterate arab dudes and a bunch of

01:35:49.020 random naked women they're gonna rape them and likewise if you get a bunch of university educated

01:35:54.160 jewish transplants with m16s and naked women they're going to rape them both sides are right

01:35:59.640 they're raping everybody everybody's raping you think the americans didn't rape every gook that

01:36:03.880 came across in vietnam give me a fucking break yeah well and that's why the whole bagram air

01:36:07.960 base thing i think that was a word remember those those photos emerged of the sexual humiliation of

01:36:12.920 the the muslim prisoners like yeah that happens i'm not i'm not i'm doing the opposite of excusing

01:36:19.080 it i'm saying that is a feature of war and you should be aware of that like it just seems to

01:36:26.120 turn rapists out of people like not everyone but and that's why war is bad there's there's

01:36:33.420 no limit to the indignities that will be visited upon humans in unrestricted warfare yeah so

01:36:41.540 anyway that's just a total tangent here um so he kind of wraps up here and says in this way a

01:36:47.720 dangerous virus was injected into the international system with political parties in every significant

01:36:53.560 country in the world devoted to routinely sabotaging and ultimately overthrowing

01:36:59.080 their own governments while in the paid service of a foreign power the ussr and again this wasn't

01:37:04.680 just in america as we've read in the matrokin archives that attempts were made to infiltrate

01:37:12.760 canada to turn politicians not to say it was effective everywhere but it's been effective in

01:37:18.440 many european countries i mean how many countries fell into the soviet influence at the time and

01:37:24.120 this was the entire plan which is why it's called stalin's war because i think it's very easy to

01:37:31.080 view it in the american context in america because you watch films and television shows where americas

01:37:35.800 are the americas are the heroes but then people who know a bit more will say well you know they

01:37:40.200 They're latecomers, and the real battle was between the Soviets and the British, right?

01:37:46.440 How many movies about the British do you see?

01:37:48.580 What if the story is that this whole thing was engineered by communists?

01:37:56.920 Not the whole thing, but a sizable part of it was due to communist agitation.

01:38:01.560 And this was the result.

01:38:03.160 The result of World War II was a weakened British Empire, which is what happened,

01:38:08.700 which was what stalin wanted anyway you know even though the soviet union ultimately lost

01:38:15.100 and like there's there's still popular communist parties because the plan was just to get everyone

01:38:20.540 out of throats and weaken them for subversion so yeah he continues on that last part he says the

01:38:26.860 foreign policy corollary of stalin's forced march to industrialization was the new class against

01:38:32.620 class doctrine proclaimed at the congress of the common turn in moscow in 1928 which inaugurated

01:38:39.180 the so-called third period after the calm years of the mid-1920s it was expected that world

01:38:45.500 capitalism would enter a period of heightened contradictions and class struggle which brought

01:38:49.660 with it dangers for soviet russia but also new opportunities for communist expansion in policy

01:38:54.940 terms this meant that communist parties all over the world would adopt a hard left line supporting

01:39:00.380 constant strikes and organizing militias and paramilitary forces to engage political enemies

01:39:06.220 in street combat sound familiar sound like something hitler was talking about instead

01:39:10.700 of cooperating with other leftists communists were expected to denounce europe's socialist parties

01:39:16.620 as social fascist even in germany where real fascists were on the scene in the form of hitler's

01:39:22.060 nazis basically um it continues here in the years after roosevelt recognized the ussr

01:39:29.580 dozens of soviet agents and uh communist party cpusa communist part of the usa members infiltrated

01:39:36.480 the u.s government helped along by the vigorous and almost entirely unvetted bureaucratic expansion

01:39:42.940 of fdr's new deal now that's that's music to the ears of a lot of uh some of our listeners saying

01:39:49.660 oh you think the new deal uh the institution was infiltrated by a bunch of a bunch of gay

01:39:55.660 communist shit no way no way i couldn't have imagined that and there's again documented

01:40:01.340 evidence of this but it says key targets for infiltration include the agricultural adjustment

01:40:06.620 administration where a communist cell run by harold ware provided entree for notorious soviet

01:40:13.020 agents such as whitaker chambers elizabeth bentley and nathan silvermaster uh where though american

01:40:19.740 born had lived in soviet russia in the 1920s overseeing an experiment in mecca collectivist

01:40:24.860 agriculture communists also infiltrated the work progress administration the national labor

01:40:30.140 relations board and the justice department the state department meanwhile was honeycomb with

01:40:34.940 soviet agents such as lawrence duggan michael straight and alger hiss the most critical factor

01:40:41.340 was the stamp of legitimacy the president had placed on the uss or by recognizing stalin's

01:40:46.380 machine this was fdr which removed the stigma from communist party membership in america

01:40:52.380 interesting between recognition in november 33 and 38 the ranks of card-carrying communist party

01:40:59.860 of america members exploded from 13 000 to over 80 000 the soviet embassy in washington was a

01:41:06.700 critical strategic strategic foothold for stalin as he prepared uh for war so by this point

01:41:15.120 america was already so fucking infiltrated by communist agents it's it's unreal uh

01:41:23.120 and again the repercussions of that were that america generally was primed to accept

01:41:31.620 communism maybe not communist government in america but they're saying oh it's this cool

01:41:37.120 new idea it's hip it's interesting right um it said despite the public fanfare soviet foreign

01:41:44.260 policy had not magically changed in 1935 from fanatical hostility towards the capitalist world

01:41:50.420 to principled cooperation based on shared antipathy towards hitler nor did the ussr stand in any way

01:41:57.060 alongside britain france and france's eastern european partners against territorial revisionism

01:42:03.060 as the czechoslovaks had convinced themselves they were signed packed with moscow in 1935.

01:42:07.460 the soviet union had been born in armed hostility to the entente powers after world war one

01:42:12.980 and had lost huge swathes of formerly russian land the newly independent finland and the baltic

01:42:19.140 states to ukraine and belarusian territory in what was now eastern poland to romanian

01:42:26.180 and the black sea littoral the ussr was just as revisionist as italy and nazi germany in seeking

01:42:32.980 to overturn the post-war settlement for now though stalin was artfully concealing his own

01:42:38.420 territorial ambitions so everyone wanted liebenstram basically that's something that's

01:42:44.480 pinned on germany all the time but hey it's just manifest fucking destiny and it seemed that that's

01:42:50.480 what everyone was doing by the way that seems what everyone is doing all the time you know it's it's

01:42:56.140 weird like the the post-war consensus part of it we talk about the holocaust and everything else but

01:43:00.740 part of it is this idea that all nations are rational actors who only want the best for

01:43:05.780 everybody and we're all actually chill it's just that our nature the nature of warfare now is

01:43:10.060 mostly hidden but prior to world war ii it was a given that all nations at all times are trying to

01:43:16.880 curb stomp everybody around them that's the nature of nations you want the land and the resources

01:43:21.360 like you would never fault your neighbor you'd be mad at him for raping you but like of course

01:43:26.420 he wants to rape me i mean that's what that's what neighbors do uh yeah and that's what's

01:43:31.840 interesting about the relationship between the Soviet Union and Germany, because especially

01:43:37.520 in the beginning of the book, it shows how I think Hitler was more interested in a long-lasting

01:43:45.520 non-aggression pact, and Stalin was always trying to signal that he had no interest in

01:43:51.160 long-term peace. It says here, after receiving a preliminary German draft of the non-aggression

01:43:56.520 pact in on august 18th for a non-aggression pact lasting 25 years molotov on the russian side

01:44:03.500 prepared a counter draft on the 19th in a sign of stalin's strategic restlessness shortening the

01:44:09.920 duration of five years which is like do you want to be friends for 25 years let's no five so we're

01:44:16.220 not going to be friends in six years is what you're saying um hinting at possible soviet designs on

01:44:22.260 neighboring countries, Molotov added a clause stipulating that Germany and the USSR must

01:44:27.240 refrain from supporting any third country pressed in hostilities with either power.

01:44:33.200 This was critical to Stalin's thinking and his plans. It continues here. While Hitler kept Britain

01:44:40.360 and France occupied after the declared war on Germany and vice versa, the USSR could expand

01:44:46.220 its borders westward at small risk of outside intervention while enjoying immense economic

01:44:51.800 leverage over the Germans. Small wonder Stalin told Zhukov that he had, quote, twisted Hitler

01:44:58.060 around his finger. That's a quote from Stalin. The capitalist world would soon be embroiled in

01:45:02.920 a terrible war and the USSR would be able to spread its territory substantially westward

01:45:08.380 against seemingly helpless foes. All Stalin needed to do was ensure that neither Germany nor its

01:45:15.980 opponents secured a decisive advantage. Interesting strategy there. He actually doesn't

01:45:22.020 want there to be a clear winner at the start. Okay, so he says, insofar as his agreement with

01:45:28.440 Stalin eliminated the immediate danger of a two-front war of the kind Germany had faced in

01:45:33.500 1914, the Moscow Pact was a coup. But the pact, as Hitler would now learn, had left many questions

01:45:40.880 open as it had answered. What it stated was that each party must

01:45:44.700 decline to lend its support to or participate in any grouping

01:45:48.720 of powers fighting the other. Diplomatically speaking, all Malta

01:45:52.580 and Stalin had really done was declare neutrality in the war they hoped

01:45:56.740 would now break out between Germany, Poland, and the Western powers. But such a war

01:46:00.640 was not the kind Hitler wanted, even if it was obviously better than the one that would

01:46:04.540 pit Germany against those Western powers, Poland, and the Soviet Union as well.

01:46:07.980 so stalin was a mastered engineer these very convenient circumstances and making it look like

01:46:15.780 benevolent diplomacy but as you'll see in the book every it's like every single time stalin was at

01:46:23.000 the table he was the alpha or he was tricking people and the only one who actually i'm not

01:46:30.440 trying to big him up too much here the only one who saw what was happening was hitler the only one

01:46:35.560 it was like, okay, fuck you, was

01:46:37.520 Hillary, and he almost did it.

01:46:39.680 And if Roosevelt hadn't

01:46:41.560 been like, no,

01:46:43.200 hey, hey, hey, let me

01:46:45.060 help you. There's such a

01:46:47.480 great story here later in the

01:46:49.440 book. I don't think,

01:46:51.260 if I don't get to it.

01:46:53.920 So, by this point,

01:46:55.600 Roosevelt and Churchill,

01:46:57.700 they're both old

01:46:59.540 and fat and dying,

01:47:02.260 and it's hard for them to travel.

01:47:03.520 and they want to meet at one point

01:47:07.140 and they're all going to meet in a neutral location

01:47:09.380 like in the center of Europe

01:47:11.860 and then Stalin keeps saying no

01:47:14.100 and he keeps making suggestions

01:47:15.880 that inch closer and closer back to Moscow

01:47:18.520 just trying to get them both to fly out to him

01:47:20.940 and this ended up being the Tehran peace conference

01:47:25.360 where they met to discuss the future of the war

01:47:28.580 and Roosevelt said

01:47:32.340 you know and they're being there's a lot of double talk there's a lot of innuendo and stuff

01:47:37.240 but he's basically saying like oh i'm sorry i can't make it i can't make it all the way to

01:47:41.680 turan like i'm gonna die basically like i can't walk and then stalin says something to the tune

01:47:48.480 of like oh i'm sorry i won't have you oh man i'll tell me and churchill are gonna wish you were

01:47:53.400 there and he's dead no he's like oh i'm on my way like literally he's like i'll be there and he's

01:48:01.540 like took a fucking flight and two trains and like had like a truck but like he's there i'll

01:48:07.440 hovel but just like that twist of the knife like no you come you're dying cool cool i like that

01:48:12.960 come see me uh and they're just like no no i'm on my way

01:48:17.460 never meeting anyone halfway and this is after the lend lease program in america had just sent

01:48:26.080 so much food, everything.

01:48:29.340 So it did settle, you know, some watered down estimate of their overall Lend-Lease loan

01:48:35.740 obligations at something like two pennies on the dollar in 1951, but nothing was demanded up front.

01:48:41.140 There was, you know, an immediate $1 billion credit line was open. They blew through that

01:48:44.540 almost immediately. And then, you know, they immediately doubled it to $2 billion. And then

01:48:47.800 by the end of the war, it's more than $11 billion, you know, in 1940s dollars, which is just an

01:48:52.320 astonishing sum of money granted with no conditions applied no no effective payment of any kind

01:48:58.620 everything everything they wouldn't have won without america and the entire time

01:49:02.360 i have to admire this and it's it's very clear this is what happened stalin was just like why

01:49:08.280 not more you gave you gave me 5 million why not 10 you gave me 10 million why not 25 are you you

01:49:15.180 don't want me to win i gave me 25 one at 50 like it was always that i was always like oh yeah so

01:49:19.760 Oh, so you've decided to be a fucking faggot coward today.

01:49:22.560 I see.

01:49:23.060 Thank you.

01:49:23.680 Thank you, Mr. American faggot coward.

01:49:26.600 Just like shit like that and never giving anyone an inch on anything.

01:49:31.920 I'm like, wow.

01:49:33.520 Just wow.

01:49:35.260 Just a leader who's no matter what, just like, yeah, fuck you.

01:49:38.420 You want to give me money?

01:49:39.100 Fuck you.

01:49:39.720 Stalin was not Jewish, but he learned from the best.

01:49:43.700 Jews would try and connive to get your money.

01:49:46.840 Stalin was like, give me five bucks.

01:49:48.800 Give me five bucks.

01:49:49.760 give me five bucks

01:49:51.520 give me five bucks

01:49:52.100 super liminal messaging

01:49:55.160 and then okay here's your box

01:49:57.260 where's my ten

01:49:58.460 where's the ten

01:49:59.800 hey what's that you put in your pocket

01:50:04.540 what's that in your pocket

01:50:06.380 I don't know what you call this diplomacy

01:50:10.280 but I think

01:50:11.520 Trump's doing that too

01:50:13.300 you know these Jews

01:50:15.840 I can't keep giving you

01:50:18.000 billions of dollars

01:50:19.900 give me your firstborn sons

01:50:22.140 you've got

01:50:24.200 so many sons, they're great sons

01:50:26.080 I lost my checkbook

01:50:28.060 I don't know, I'm going to take your sons

01:50:29.520 checks in the mail

01:50:30.740 Trump

01:50:32.780 Trump's just padding his jacket

01:50:35.520 he's like I lost my checkbook

01:50:37.180 it's just throwing all their kids

01:50:39.740 in a volcano

01:50:40.340 so it says

01:50:44.180 for all of his principled bellicosity

01:50:46.500 Churchill was perhaps because of his strong and Lee Hitler stance a curiously soft touch on Stalin

01:50:52.720 a neat reversal of the positions underlying Chamberlain's appeasement policy of 1938

01:50:57.580 Churchill saw the Soviet dictator as a potential ally in the war against Hitler

01:51:02.040 the current alliance between Berlin and Moscow not outstanding

01:51:05.160 October 1st 1939 on the first of a series of wartime radio addresses of the BBC

01:51:11.300 uric churchill defended the ussr's invasion of eastern poland in the interest of its own safety

01:51:17.860 and pointed out that the forward soviet position there posed a roadblock to german expansion so

01:51:23.460 uric churchill starts being soft on stalin saying no it's it's a defensive invasion of course

01:51:31.620 um as it continues here in a sign of stalin's ever-growing appetite for territory molotov

01:51:37.620 summoned the italian ambassador signor augusto russo to the kremlin later that day to broach a

01:51:44.420 possible italian soviet carve-up of turkey so long as italy supported soviet claims at the ottoman

01:51:51.300 straits soviet primacy in the black sea and most importantly the enlargement of the soviet union

01:51:56.500 in the area south and southeast of batumi in eastern turkey malta promised russo that

01:52:02.660 Stalin would not oppose Italian claims in other regions of Turkey so they're

01:52:06.420 already talking about you know annexing Turkey basically as Molotov boasted

01:52:13.460 before the Supreme Soviet the peaceful occupation of Bessarabia expanded the

01:52:18.260 Soviet frontiers by 45,000 square kilometers on which lived 3.2 million

01:52:23.660 souls the acquisition of northern Bukovina brought in another 6,000 square

01:52:29.420 kilometers and a half million people. In less than two weeks, counting the Baltic annexations,

01:52:34.340 Stalin had acquired 10 million new subjects under communism. Added to the 13 million acquired

01:52:40.200 the previous fall in Poland, the Soviet population had expanded by 23 million. Stalin was wringing

01:52:46.960 every last drop of nectar out of the honeyed partnership with Hitler while still somehow

01:52:51.540 escaping the hostility of Hitler's opponents. Britain, in what Churchill called the country's

01:52:57.120 finest hour, now stood

01:52:59.100 alone against Nazi Germany. So long

01:53:01.160 as Britain stayed in the war, it seemed

01:53:03.060 that Hitler had to swallow his pride and smile

01:53:05.100 through his teeth, despite Stalin's increasingly

01:53:07.340 onerous demands.

01:53:10.300 At a

01:53:11.100 ceremony in Berlin on

01:53:13.080 September 27th, 1940,

01:53:15.080 the foreign ministers of Italy and

01:53:17.080 Japan, Galizano Chiano

01:53:19.220 and Saburu Kurusu,

01:53:21.320 affixed their signatures alongside

01:53:22.840 Ribbentrop's to form a new

01:53:24.760 tripatriate act. Although Trump

01:53:27.080 to the world as a formidable military alliance in truth the agreement was more symbolic than

01:53:31.720 substantial the symbolism however was significant uh stalin's formal reply the invitation of the

01:53:40.200 pact was a blunt no all but confessing its offensive nature molotov delivered the rejection

01:53:46.600 to schulenberg in person in a handwritten note the soviet union would not join the tripartite

01:53:52.040 pact stalin declared until five conditions from at first all german troops must be withdrawn from

01:53:59.000 finland so they can take it over um the second condition was that the soviet need to be permitted

01:54:04.920 in the coming months to station naval and land forces in turkey third the signatory powers must

01:54:10.520 recognize a soviet sphere of influence south of buku and batumi towards the purging so basically

01:54:15.480 sounds like i'm not going to join this new military alliance unless you give me

01:54:19.480 all the land i just i want it i want all the stuff i want i want finland so i'll join but

01:54:27.280 germany you have to give me finland now he goes under roosevelt here neutral or not he says under

01:54:33.880 roosevelt's leadership the united states was getting more deeply involved in the european war

01:54:38.220 day by day after winning re-election to an unprecedented third term in 1940 the president

01:54:45.200 launched his campaign to sell public in a fireside chat radio broadcast admonishing americans

01:54:50.540 that their country must become the great arsenal of democracy uh-oh uh-oh parallel to his introduction

01:55:00.180 of the lend-lease bill before congress people recall us talking about that just a few minutes

01:55:05.300 ago, Roosevelt wanted to lift

01:55:07.200 his own moral embargo against

01:55:09.040 strategic exports to USSR.

01:55:11.720 In January 1941,

01:55:13.160 the Soviet ambassador to Washington,

01:55:15.540 Konstantin Umensky,

01:55:17.600 complained to Roosevelt's trusted

01:55:19.200 undersecretary about

01:55:20.720 anti-Soviet trade discrimination.

01:55:23.240 Churchill would not be more pleased, even though

01:55:25.120 the terms of the Lendley's aid to Britain were

01:55:26.960 debilitating and deliberately insulting,

01:55:29.380 he acclaimed. Who complained

01:55:31.340 about that? Mensky?

01:55:33.660 Was it Mensky?

01:55:35.300 You meant you meant U-M-A-N-S-K-Y.

01:55:38.860 But yeah, bizarre.

01:55:40.420 There's a Russian Jew in the treasure.

01:55:42.540 That's the strangest thing.

01:55:44.580 Yeah.

01:55:45.060 Aside from ensuring that Britain could fight on the Lend-Lease as interpreted by Roosevelt

01:55:49.800 and his supporters represented a cautious endorsement of Churchill's vision of a grand

01:55:54.520 alliance uniting Washington, London and Moscow against Nazi Germany.

01:56:00.260 Stalin's pact with Hitler notwithstanding.

01:56:02.020 so um like we said before the lend-lease program was sending it gets into it here let me just go

01:56:10.800 here here i like this part roosevelt's decision to devote scarce tonnage and naval resources to

01:56:17.560 soviet lend-lease supplies was a priceless gift to stalin in exchange for opening up this vital

01:56:23.920 lifeline to the beleaguered soviet war effort the u.s government could have asked any price

01:56:29.060 payment of cash by loan or in kind political concessions inside russia would be another idea

01:56:35.720 or promises from stalin of better behavior abroad such as abandoning his spying operations in

01:56:42.360 washington this is what he says in the book this isn't me editorializing he's like hey we'll give

01:56:47.000 you this stuff could you stop spying on us or offering token support for the war against japan

01:56:52.680 Instead, the Americans simply gave and demanded nothing in return aside from a vague, non-binding promise of loan repayment beginning five years after the war was over at no interest, which is fucking wild.

01:57:06.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:57:06.900 Which is absolutely – do you want anything in return?

01:57:08.940 No, you're good for it.

01:57:10.620 I like you.

01:57:11.660 I like you.

01:57:12.140 I want you to like me.

01:57:13.000 You like me, right?

01:57:13.900 You like me, right?

01:57:15.160 Say you like me.

01:57:16.060 Say you love me.

01:57:16.780 I love you.

01:57:17.360 Do you love me?

01:57:17.840 Like, just this – and then the entire time Stalin was like, no, you're okay.

01:57:22.680 give me your money

01:57:25.260 back off

01:57:26.420 Stalin was given

01:57:29.760 first priority on more than just war planes

01:57:31.860 American civilians were forced

01:57:33.700 to tighten their belts to provide

01:57:35.240 Russians with foodstuffs at a time of

01:57:37.520 strict wartime rationing back home

01:57:39.680 there were 8,000

01:57:41.880 rationing boards in the United States

01:57:43.780 during the war restricting

01:57:45.320 consumption of everything from grain, milk

01:57:47.640 butter, bacon and sugar to fuel

01:57:49.940 rubber, tires, fabric

01:57:51.660 can choose every American family that lived through the war remembers the wartime ration books

01:57:56.800 and exhortations to scale back from meatless Mondays to wheatless Wednesdays um what only a

01:58:04.220 few of them suspected was that the things they missed were being rerouted to the other side of

01:58:08.240 the world to nourish Russian soldiers who were never told that they were being fed by the

01:58:13.040 commodity surpluses of American capitalism which is very amusing and like they're very clear they

01:58:19.180 they would have starved to death if not for this they think they couldn't feed their soldiers

01:58:24.260 forget you know the airplanes and fuel um operation barbarossa was the uh nazi invasion

01:58:34.020 of russia pretty infamous um now there's a mythology about this i keep using that word

01:58:41.520 mythology but there's this thing that i think exists in most people's minds that again

01:58:46.980 Stalin was caught by surprise

01:58:49.120 betrayed by his friend Hitler

01:58:51.180 and here's what happened he says

01:58:52.900 what Stalin

01:58:54.520 what was Stalin up to

01:58:56.820 as the catastrophic events

01:58:59.320 were unfolding of Operation Barbarossa

01:59:01.060 the central myth in the popular literature

01:59:03.320 relates to his alleged emotional

01:59:05.440 breakdown and disappearance from the Kremlin

01:59:07.380 for almost two weeks

01:59:08.880 until he emerged from his DACA

01:59:11.100 in early July to address the Soviet people

01:59:13.460 blended with the plausible

01:59:15.660 idea that stalin drank himself into a stupor after learning of the invasion this version of

01:59:21.740 events reached its apogee with robert duvall's golden globe winning performance in the hbo movie

01:59:26.900 stalin according to a version of the story that emerged in the post-communist years stalin was

01:59:32.380 so despondent that just three days after the invasion he authorized baria to send out peace

01:59:37.820 feelers to hitler by way of the ambassador all of all of this is bullshit um in hitler's mind

01:59:43.940 barbarossa was never meant to be a conventional military operation the german need for as he saw

01:59:48.160 liebens from in the east meant that any campaign undertaken there would be merciless designed not

01:59:53.440 only to conquer land for the reich but also cleanse it of unwanted residents but again this is it's all

01:59:59.680 made up this idea that stalin was so despondent and drinking himself to death he was aware of what

02:00:04.820 was happening he was kind of pissed off this was not good for them good for him but he was active

02:00:11.620 and trying to figure out what to do next but they almost they need this story to work because

02:00:19.520 it needs to explain the soviet union's military weakness at the time right it can't just be that

02:00:27.280 the the german army was just decimating a ready and prepared red army and they were still

02:00:35.160 they were not ready at the area where hitler invaded like hitler was very cunning about what

02:00:40.780 he had done here but it's not like they were leaderless or rudderless the entire time they

02:00:45.780 were they were just not doing too well and that's what but they don't they can't allow the narrative

02:00:50.500 that nazi germany was just stronger and smarter in this instance and it's better to cast i guess

02:00:58.900 it's better to cast solomon as a naive fool he's just an idealist right um there's a couple examples

02:01:06.660 here i just want to get back to the infiltration of america because that's that's a story that goes

02:01:11.380 right to the end of the war says um thanks to hopkins viewed by uh grominco as a reliable yes

02:01:18.020 man industrial espionage was easy for soviet agents to conduct in the united states it was

02:01:22.980 not simply that soviet buying agents and engineers were giving free reign to inspect factories and

02:01:29.220 tank testing facilities the lend lease term approved the transfer of entire american factories to the

02:01:35.380 the ussr including their in-house intellectual property nonetheless deliveries remain

02:01:41.100 disappointing to the russians the lend-lease shipments were increasingly seen by soviet

02:01:45.420 leaders as a cheap anglo-american substitute for engaging german armies more directly

02:01:50.800 so it's like we're giving you everything yeah but why aren't you fighting our war for us

02:01:55.420 you fucking assholes

02:01:56.980 he goes i know we have to wrap up soon so i'm just going to try and rip through these last

02:02:04.340 parts here it says with the death of the mediterranean stratagem britain had forfeited

02:02:09.540 its last chance to win the war on its own terms and shape the post-war world and to salvage some

02:02:15.460 degree of u.s british influence in the eastern europe and the balkans cornered by roosevelt

02:02:20.820 who had lined up with stalin on all important policy questions by this point churchill could

02:02:26.180 only fume at his creeping irrelevance in reality it was britain that had missed the chance in 1940

02:02:32.180 to strike at the Hydra-headed alliance of dictators

02:02:35.100 by bombing the Baku oil fields,

02:02:37.640 fueling their brutal conquests.

02:02:40.000 And this turned the war of the 1939

02:02:41.580 into a principled fight against totalitarian aggression.

02:02:44.900 By supporting Stalin unconditionally after Hitler's attack

02:02:49.400 and demanding nothing in return,

02:02:52.080 Churchill and Roosevelt had stacked the decks against themselves.

02:02:55.600 The fight against Hitler, Britain's finest hour when England still alone,

02:02:58.920 was Stalin's war now.

02:03:02.180 It continues on here.

02:03:32.180 exchange was that Stalin consider

02:03:34.180 working with the Polish government if

02:03:36.180 some of Stalin's people were added to it while

02:03:38.080 carefully avoiding

02:03:39.040 basically pressuring or dictation

02:03:42.080 from a foreign country. Stalin delivered

02:03:44.340 what he promised. Nothing.

02:03:48.460 On July 1944,

02:03:50.080 after the Red Army occupied Lublin,

02:03:52.020 they bluntly informed Roosevelt that he was setting up a

02:03:54.020 Soviet puppet government.

02:03:56.220 It's just a way it's like, okay,

02:03:58.200 I'm going to give you some money

02:04:00.120 and I'm going to give it to you for free.

02:04:01.820 But you've got to promise me that you're not going to roll into these countries and just steamroll them and take over

02:04:08.320 Okay, so you steamrolled into these countries

02:04:11.160 Now you've got to promise me that you're not going to replace their government with a puppet government

02:04:15.440 Okay, so you replace their government with a puppet government

02:04:18.060 You have to promise me that you're not going to just keep doing that

02:04:21.480 Okay, this stops now

02:04:22.560 Okay, so you're still doing it

02:04:24.540 I'm going to need that money

02:04:26.460 But you have to start giving me that money back

02:04:28.500 Because it seems like you got this all figured out

02:04:30.240 Okay, I don't need the money

02:04:31.760 back forget that but you gotta like it's just by this point like if this were dating if if you were

02:04:38.800 if this was trying to seduce a woman you would tell the guy like you you established your negative

02:04:44.080 value you've established that you're just a guy that can be walked over what are you going to

02:04:48.960 what are you going to do what what are the odds that you've given him the last 17 things he asked

02:04:54.160 for, and you're not going to give them the 18th,

02:04:56.040 you fucking fool.

02:05:00.740 It keeps going here.

02:05:02.760 At Tehran,

02:05:04.280 Stalin and Roosevelt had aligned

02:05:06.100 on the basic approach they would take

02:05:08.180 to Germany after Hitler's defeat.

02:05:11.460 All the main belligerents

02:05:12.560 had agreed on the need to disarm

02:05:14.440 the Reich, impose controls to prevent

02:05:16.300 German rearmament, and ban the Nazi

02:05:18.300 party. While the

02:05:20.180 Wost had not fully embraced

02:05:21.940 unconditional surrender, and Roosevelt had not

02:05:24.040 signed off on stalin's proposal to quote dismember germany and on soviet claims on east prussian

02:05:30.600 territory the two statesmen had agreed that germany must be severely punished the most dramatic moment

02:05:38.120 came when stalin had proposed the summary shooting of 50 000 or perhaps a hundred thousand german

02:05:43.720 officers after the war to intimidate the german people prompting churchill's objection and

02:05:49.160 and Roosevelt's compromise solution that the Allies might shoot only 49,000 German prisoners instead.

02:05:57.400 As we saw, Stalin prevented a breach by embracing Churchill and telling them that he was only teasing.

02:06:02.960 Oh, I'm only joking.

02:06:04.340 Oh, my God.

02:06:05.400 Stalin was not joking, however, about his decision.

02:06:08.320 What a fucking nagging move, too.

02:06:11.000 It's like, I want to kill 100,000.

02:06:12.600 I got you to agree to it, but I was only going to get out.

02:06:15.860 You were going to do it, too, weren't you?

02:06:17.440 You were going to do it.

02:06:18.000 you gonna do you fucking sicko fucking freak oh man hey guys roosevelt this guy's a perv he's a

02:06:25.700 perv for killing germans stalin was not joking about his desire to dismember germany or to

02:06:32.000 conduct mass shootings of german officers a proposal that had evidently been taken seriously

02:06:37.120 in the treasury department of america why shooting germans was a u.s treasury business

02:06:44.640 was not obvious nonetheless this that this was considered treasury business by summer 1944

02:06:51.200 is clear in the historical record somehow in the aftermath of the allied landings in normandy

02:06:57.380 which brought the prospect of germany's final defeat in sight a long-running policy discussion

02:07:02.580 in the treasury and how to administer german economy after the war morphed into an open-ended

02:07:06.960 revenge fantasy now we can maybe end on this but i think a lot of people know this is gone

02:07:12.920 it was in the spirit of outdoing

02:07:15.920 Stalin and vindictive blood

02:07:17.820 lust that Morgenthau and his

02:07:19.740 treasury aides formulated one

02:07:21.840 of the most significant policy doctrines

02:07:23.860 of the second world war again this

02:07:25.820 is we get this little bit later he's a

02:07:27.840 Jewish guy he's a Jewish guy who hated Hitler

02:07:29.660 he's in the treasury department of America

02:07:31.140 and he's helping decide

02:07:33.700 what to do about Germany

02:07:35.240 what should we do with these people

02:07:38.000 who we've militarily

02:07:40.040 crushed what do they

02:07:41.780 deserve, said the Jew at the head of the U.S. Treasury Department.

02:07:47.460 This Morgenthau's own blood was clearly up, at least

02:07:49.980 in part, out of genuine conviction. The secretary was Jewish, which

02:07:53.920 gave him a personal stake in holding Hitler and the Germans responsible

02:07:57.140 for the ongoing mass murder of European Jewry. The genesis of the

02:08:01.940 Morgenthau plan was not entirely innocent. The Venona decrypts have revealed

02:08:06.040 that as many as seven Soviet agents answering to Moscow

02:08:09.420 had a hand in drafting this document, including White, Solomon Adler, Frank Coe, and four others.

02:08:15.880 White's hand and Soviet influence was most clearly visible in Clause 4 on Restitution and Reparation.

02:08:23.060 Rather than regular annual payments, what this clause demanded was that restitution and reparations

02:08:28.380 be effected by the transfer of existing German resources and territories,

02:08:32.740 including property looted by Germans in territory occupied by them.

02:08:36.600 with the british empire dependent on the flow of dollars and supplies

02:08:40.720 for america to keep fighting there's little the prime minister could do but agree

02:08:45.000 so basically they're trying to just now sever the head of germany and take make it so germany is a

02:08:53.160 slave nation forever that was when the morgan thou plan was it was to explicitly to make germans

02:08:59.840 suffer and make it so they can not only not rearm but not even exist as a country it's like we're

02:09:06.580 going to take all your mines we're going to take all your fucking factories you're going to be a

02:09:09.960 peasant class um and and even when churchill and fdr they'd be like oh well i don't i bet what are

02:09:17.120 you gay oh so you love germans now like that's what they're hitting them with uh and hold on here

02:09:23.600 yeah so we just end there that was basically there's more in the book and there's

02:09:33.240 some discussion it's very interesting about um you know the the dictator tito who's a communist

02:09:41.720 clients in yugoslavia that whole thing um more examples of russian and soviet subversion all

02:09:49.680 throughout europe at the time eastern europe specifically but some of that's known i think

02:09:55.500 the thesis here has been proven i think it should be accurate we know it's accurate with stalin we

02:10:00.980 know his behavior in this war is accurate as described this book because it's also what they

02:10:07.060 did after world war ii this was what they did in the cold war this is what they did before world

02:10:12.500 war ii as well the whole purpose and this is an ideological position held by these people was to

02:10:19.220 pit the european powers against each other and make it convenient for the global soviet union to

02:10:27.380 the soviet international to just roll over into everything very easily

02:10:33.300 and and that was an ideological game that none of them were prepared for i didn't think no one saw

02:10:39.940 the communists as their enemy until it was way way too late but that's why they got such a

02:10:44.340 head start on everything and that's why they were so effective even if it's a even if i don't think

02:10:50.820 it's a successful ideology i don't think it's a successful way to organize society and we'll get

02:10:56.900 into this uh next episode when we discuss the book building a ruin which focuses on the economic

02:11:03.860 collapse of the soviet union during the cold war which shows that it was you know one of the again

02:11:09.220 another mythology concocted by the the marxists is that communism failed and the soviet union fell

02:11:17.780 because america never gave it a shot you know the west was bullying so it's actually quite the

02:11:24.200 opposite it's it's like you know we had the whole world working against us of course we couldn't

02:11:29.000 succeed and we're going to show you exactly how wrong that is they obviously they failed in spite

02:11:35.480 of so many fucking chances and so much support if they didn't have any support they never would

02:11:39.960 have even got off the ground in the first place yeah but even just economically like they were

02:11:45.780 too late across the finish line with everything within the soviet union there was there's there's

02:11:51.220 a left right axis in every government there's always a conservative and a reformist side so

02:11:56.440 even in the soviet union there was this one side that was advocating for embracing more of a

02:12:01.100 technocracy and then there was the side that was saying that no we just need to build more factories

02:12:05.940 we need more like commodities and raw production while america was already getting into computers

02:12:12.660 the information revolution was starting to ramp up

02:12:15.020 they were just not

02:12:16.360 quick on any of that

02:12:18.940 and were just too bloated and stupid

02:12:21.220 and lazy and we'll get to that next episode

02:12:22.840 I'll do a better job of explaining it but

02:12:24.660 Stalin's war

02:12:26.120 makes a very very convincing

02:12:28.740 case because then the

02:12:31.040 cold war makes a lot more sense

02:12:32.680 you know like how does the

02:12:35.040 cold war happen if

02:12:37.080 Stalin and

02:12:39.040 the communists are just these naive

02:12:41.440 ditzy, you know, we just

02:12:43.760 want to be communists in peace.

02:12:46.220 The Cold War only makes sense

02:12:48.180 if all of this is

02:12:50.160 true, if all of this, if the groundwork

02:12:52.460 has been laid from

02:12:54.340 the original Bolshevik revolution

02:12:56.420 all throughout World War II, and this is actually

02:12:58.220 one part of one unbroken

02:13:00.340 chain of conspiracies

02:13:01.940 that one day collapsed, or

02:13:04.400 did it. Anyway,

02:13:06.460 what do you think about all that? Love it, man.

02:13:08.540 That was a good one.

02:13:09.160 Alright, I know we've been going pretty late

02:13:11.440 So I'll let you go, thank you so much

02:13:13.200 And I'll talk to you later

02:13:14.160 Yeah dude, cheers

02:13:14.980 Hey baby, I hear the blues

02:13:19.740 And call in top salads

02:13:21.180 And scrambled eggs

02:13:23.060 And maybe I seem a bit confused

02:13:27.660 Yeah maybe

02:13:28.640 But I got you, Craig

02:13:30.040 Klaussington, how the hell are ya?

02:13:35.180 I'm doing fantastic

02:13:36.360 To be honest

02:13:37.180 like i'm doing something of a uh a media circuit uh to promote my uh my whale of a

02:13:43.340 substack article um i forget has it been like a year year and a half since the last time i

02:13:49.480 came on to promote it's been it's been at least that yeah the last one i loved and i've referenced

02:13:54.900 that one quite a bit the one on the history of privateering and filibustering yeah i ended up

02:14:02.360 um like between now and then i ended up refining it into you know uh knights of the golden or was

02:14:10.500 it knights of the last of the final filibuster that's what it was um promoting well going into

02:14:16.840 the specifics of early 18th century to mid 18th century felt like land american relations uh and

02:14:25.960 how it culminated in the knights of the golden circle who you know they you know they built quite

02:14:35.700 a substantial army of you know like i think the total was like 12 000 guys you know knights ready

02:14:43.100 to invade mexico at any i like the drop of a hat but you know then the civil war happened and you

02:14:49.540 know all those volunteers went straight into the um went straight into the confederate making the

02:14:55.160 confederate army but i digress uh you know i just i get really depressed when i read history these

02:15:02.640 days because everything was so cool and we become so fixated on the term you can just do things

02:15:10.080 but then you could then you could if you told me there's a story of like 20 000 cowboys riding

02:15:17.020 giraffes into guatemala i would believe you well i mean let me think i mean back back in you know

02:15:27.340 banana republic days you could just you know build a railway out of you know out of the jungle

02:15:33.360 and all of a sudden you know you end up owning 20 of some banana republic and now you're a kind

02:15:40.280 of king and you have to marry some castizo's daughter and then you become a head of a dynasty

02:15:46.500 oh no oh no this sort like the the 18th century is just full of these sorts of things and i i kind

02:15:55.420 of make it something of an mo of mine to shed light on these sort of niche topics well here's

02:16:01.300 what i love about your writing especially because i'm an outsider even though everybody i know is

02:16:06.280 american and a sizable amount of blood satellite listenership is american with your writing your

02:16:12.680 historical writing and i'm gonna toss it up on the screen momentarily we are of course speaking

02:16:18.620 to classington who listeners will call has been on the show twice before uh i've written in the

02:16:24.060 old glory club you're affiliated with the old glory club you have your own stuff that you do

02:16:27.740 as well in fact i'm going to just toss this up on screen now i mean before i forget i was a

02:16:34.100 founding member of ogc exactly yeah but but i don't like to pigeonhole you i i like the old

02:16:40.960 clausten that goes after his goals clausten well i mean thank you i'm very flattered this is him

02:16:48.640 look at look on your fucking screens guys this is the power of the screens follow this guy you

02:16:55.580 can be a niche micro e-celeb yeah hey ain't nothing to sneeze at and so find the old glitter

02:17:03.480 cup find all his writing here he posted on here i'm a great admirer of his writing as i was just

02:17:08.800 saying because as an outsider i find that your deep historical dives capture a unique american

02:17:17.320 attitude and i think that's probably the best way to set up what we're going to discuss

02:17:21.580 but very lengthy articles a lot of sources a lot of information but when you're reading them it

02:17:28.520 doesn't feel dry because i've read quite a bit of american history too and it's interesting but

02:17:33.300 you start you start with like a spirit a spirit of distinct americanism and as we're going into

02:17:40.220 the history of a privateer or in this case almost like the history of taxes it's the opposite of

02:17:46.420 dry and it's just that american attitude that i don't see captured anywhere else that's a real

02:17:52.500 strength of yours in my opinion well i mean i think my major sin is the fact that i spend about

02:18:00.900 you know a third to half of my articles with you know providing full context uh setting up

02:18:07.960 characters setting up the you know very visceral things that they went through that led them to

02:18:13.640 their respective positions you know you what i don't like doing is i don't like to i guess

02:18:24.100 even though i end up doing it i don't like just throwing dates and people at you because it ends

02:18:29.760 becoming kind of a muddled mess unless you actually set them up um and one of my my the

02:18:36.320 things i try to get away from is either presenting a very ideological history that ends up saying

02:18:42.320 you know tax man bad you know they you know tar and feather him if he comes into your neighborhood

02:18:50.400 um and as or or on the converse side you know these guys if you really wanted to paint that

02:19:01.920 the original uh mingo creek society as a certain type of person yeah you could paint them as sort

02:19:09.120 of like jack like redneck jacobins the tax man suffered its own madonna horror complex in a sense

02:19:17.600 well but both of these sort of characterizations end up being kind of true um in a kind of

02:19:25.900 i don't know it once once we get into it it's it's kind of hard to explain but um

02:19:33.140 but they both arrive at their respective positions for very pragmatic reasons and

02:19:41.320 if you go into it into this story you know either ideological or if you don't fully

02:19:47.300 in capture you know what the what the layout on the ground looks like you kind of miss a whole

02:19:54.320 lot of the personality uh behind the characters and the events before we get started i just wanted

02:20:01.480 to touch on this i'd be remiss if i skip this i mentioned you in an article recently by name

02:20:08.300 this is

02:20:10.040 I think

02:20:12.220 I think you linked me in it too

02:20:14.900 like three or three times

02:20:17.160 I have things come across my desk all day

02:20:19.360 the word on the street is that I cancelled

02:20:21.300 trades was that a fair assessment

02:20:23.260 I you know I'm a little

02:20:29.400 bit rusty on my

02:20:31.120 obscurantism so

02:20:32.860 maybe yes maybe no

02:20:34.880 I think you did I think I'm

02:20:37.000 what a great ground belly up i don't care what it says i love ai i love whatever's happening

02:20:44.040 i mean it's kind of like a church toilet yeah something like that if you're thinking like oh

02:20:52.980 you must have done some very complicated prompt to get that you'd be wrong as shit it's probably

02:20:59.240 as dumb as you think it is and like i need i need a train being flushed down a toilet

02:21:06.560 and it for like 20 images in a row it said here asshole and this was this was the delightful

02:21:13.520 result of that what's uh i i don't think it's going to its doom i think it's like

02:21:23.620 you know i think there's some sort of cauldron like some kind of spell some sort of revival

02:21:29.080 spell going on yeah so just so people know this was me and uh claus and didn't have uh wwe style

02:21:36.040 beef and i decided to write an article because you're into trains who isn't in the trains and

02:21:40.640 i said i'm gonna write the definitive article saying fuck trains and here we go and of course

02:21:47.260 i ended up talking about hyperstition i was back on my bullshit and i mentioned you by name anyway

02:21:53.880 i'm not going to be talking too much about that because the people came to get the goods and

02:22:00.900 we're going to look at i'm looking at it right now death and taxes published on the old glory club

02:22:06.540 a wonderful substack i was published there even and this came out fairly recently now

02:22:14.000 we must be going downhill to be letting uh canadians

02:22:17.720 by the way i'm making sure i have this teed up probably make sure the screen is

02:22:26.040 good okay this is probably a better way to do it all right this is a long one too if anyone can see

02:22:31.580 the cursor on the right there it gives you a lot of information a lot of stories a lot of history

02:22:37.580 here uh very short title that contains a lot if we could summarize this i would summarize it

02:22:45.640 almost as just the history of taxes in america and giving us a three-dimensional understanding

02:22:52.020 of taxes and also the history of the uh what was it the ming the mingos creek yeah it's the mingo

02:23:00.040 creeks the mingo creek society so if we had to let's start by if we could summarize this

02:23:05.020 in in a few points sort of the sizzle reel of this to get people to know how would you describe this

02:23:10.740 okay so i divided it into i guess three ish distinct sections right so i first lay out you

02:23:22.140 know the reality on the ground during the american revolution how how powerless congress was how

02:23:30.560 we didn't have any sort of income a sort of stabilized currency and people on the ground

02:23:35.380 really did suffer and in that suffering and you know various mutinies and and material

02:23:42.980 deprivations we ended up with a a solid generation of ex-veteran federalist politicians who spearheaded

02:23:56.660 the creation of the u.s constitution um ex-veterans and you know mercantile guys that

02:24:05.220 wanted to invest in this new startup called the united states of america and the full justification

02:24:11.140 for it and how we ended up getting you know the first uh u.s central bank how we ended up getting

02:24:18.340 uh our first tariffs and then how we ended up with the whiskey excised you mentioned something there

02:24:25.700 Sure. The U.S. Central Bank, which sits at the center of so many conspiracy theories in American culture and elsewhere.

02:24:34.480 So I think what was interesting with this article, you would not necessarily take a negative approach to the central bank in America.

02:24:41.520 You would see it as more as a necessity.

02:24:43.140 be so i was very careful in actually laying out the the case for it as a very pragmatic one

02:24:53.580 because what if you just had what if you know the u.s dollar we create you know like u.s coin

02:25:01.800 and we just started issuing coins and issuing issuing issuing um and there's just no end to

02:25:11.380 issuing it you know that it's not a very good currency um no one really accepts it it's not

02:25:17.780 really backed by anything and so the fur you know no one accepts it uh and so what you end up with

02:25:25.300 is george washington start like you know starving and freezing to death and valley forge you know

02:25:31.540 two thousand guys die and then you end up with you know pennsylvania where valley forges of course is

02:25:39.700 in the mid-atlantic the bread basket of the colonies and you know the linen capital of

02:25:47.460 uh america but no one has clothes and no one and everyone's starving because the continental

02:25:53.940 congress can't actually pay anyone no one accepts this worthless u.s coin and then after the american

02:26:01.460 rebel or towards the later promises to pay its soldier new york city besieging the last british

02:26:13.040 garrison um but congress you know no one accepts the u.s coin like shit coin and no and you know

02:26:24.720 the officers they know that as soon as the war is over they're not going to get paid their pensions

02:26:29.900 because u.s shitcoin is worthless you know the one like uh bank of north america is broke uh and

02:26:40.460 congress owes this broke first national bank which ends up becoming like bulls fargo uh which is a

02:26:46.380 very very big bank in in you know the u.s but the officers threatened to mutiny uh george washington

02:26:53.580 talks them down from mutinying and but you know still uh like the soldiers know that as soon as

02:27:01.780 they're disbanded their congress ain't going to pay them and we're not going to get any stable

02:27:06.280 currency uh but a few garrisons around philadelphia do end up revolting because they

02:27:13.180 ain't getting paid and the second continental congress can't tax anyone and we don't have any

02:27:20.640 gold reserves so we can't actually back our currency so we're in a bit of a bind um you

02:27:29.040 have troops mutinying we have uh a worthless currency we don't have a central government

02:27:36.640 uh the second continental congress as it's made each state is a fully independent state and all

02:27:43.440 that congress can really do is just keep racking up credit card debt and you know they can't they

02:27:50.960 can't do anything they can they ask all the states to chip in some gold but none of them actually do

02:27:58.880 they have their own you know independent problems so it's kind of necessary to actually create a

02:28:06.480 stable currency and a stable central bank at a certain point and um as we went over uh as you

02:28:13.880 and uh sandbatch actually went over i think it was maybe six months ago or so

02:28:19.100 i mean that interview that we did was like two years ago but it got two years ago i think so

02:28:27.460 but it got re-uploaded relatively recently to youtube but that was an older one yeah

02:28:31.520 Yeah, well, the thing was, as soon as Andrew Jackson killed the second central bank, it ushered in the golden age of counterfeit currency and three decades of unstable credit, which ended up being collateralized with slaves.

02:28:52.040 And that didn't turn out too well, let's just say.

02:28:55.780 did alexander hamilton i am trying to recall the details of the talk with sandwich but was that

02:29:02.980 foreseen by alexander hamilton or anyone else that it would like dissolving the central bank would

02:29:08.180 of course usher in an era of counterfeit and anarchy well the counterfeit and anarchy was what

02:29:15.140 preceded the creation of the first central bank well not only counterfeit and anarchy but also

02:29:21.300 you know keep on swiping the credit card without you know any taxes to actually pay off the

02:29:27.540 interest so that's it's a very very real issue that needed to be solved as soon as america was

02:29:35.000 created now it sounds like we're about to get into a modern monetary theory talk by the way

02:29:40.660 and judas ain't here to stop me well i mean okay so you've got what like 50 million dollars in war

02:29:49.420 that you have a bunch of angry veterans who aren't getting paid uh as soon as the u.s wins

02:29:55.340 its war of independence we don't have any treaty trade treaties with any european powers so can't

02:30:02.860 sell goods to the uk they're heavily protectionist uh we can't sell anything to spain because our

02:30:09.820 diplomats are still working this these deals out um we can't sell anything to well and also there's

02:30:16.860 this whole french revolution thing going on it's it's kind of a nightmare and there's no trade

02:30:24.540 and no real no real federal income and also we have all sorts of revolts breaking out

02:30:33.980 uh in the appalachian back country um most people live around the eastern seaboard and a little bit

02:30:43.180 in the sort of piedmont you know inland areas but west of the appalachians you know you have about

02:30:50.380 you know depending depending on how you want to count them uh between a dozen and 20 semi-independent

02:30:57.340 redneck republics that don't exactly take uh take marching orders from you know anyone

02:31:05.660 outside of their counties. So you have monetary anarchy, you have a bunch of angry veterans,

02:31:13.980 and you have a bunch of, you know, fiercely independent rednecks. And out of this comes

02:31:20.420 the first comes that comes the US Constitution, which is the complete opposite of the Articles

02:31:26.020 of Confederation. Instead of like all these independent states, you know, there are tariffs

02:31:31.660 between independent states like as soon as you go from new york to pennsylvania you had to pay

02:31:36.800 a tariff which is you know kind of nightmarish um you know taxes are raising to pay off the war

02:31:45.060 debts uh there are there's guys you heard it here first old glory club comes out against tariffs

02:31:52.000 okay so people also forget that most of the federal government's

02:32:01.200 budget was made up of tariffs for the first like three um you know it's it's kind of what

02:32:09.160 kept the lights on so to speak um and you know the in the first washington administration's uh

02:32:20.480 budget you know the budget was about five million dollars per year to service

02:32:25.840 you know in out of this five million dollar federal budget about 70 percent went to paying

02:32:31.600 off uh interest on the federal debt which were you know it cost a lot to it cost a lot of money to

02:32:38.560 to uh pay and equip the u.s military during the war of independence uh we racked up about

02:32:46.080 i think it was like 77 million dollars in debt um so federal budget five million dollars 70

02:32:53.680 percent goes to uh paying off interest about 20 goes to the military budget because

02:33:01.440 um hey in order to pay off the federal budget we had this great idea um basically we sell off

02:33:09.280 these chunks of land out west to these speculator companies for some quick cash but the problem is

02:33:17.600 uh indian tribes live out there and they don't appreciate their land being you know so sold off

02:33:23.920 in a very sketchy kind of way um and so there is the northwest indian war and we have to send out

02:33:32.160 an entire military out there to uh to fight the uh the engine war and uh the remaining five percent

02:33:39.520 of the u.s budget is uh paying off mostly well on top of the federal you know uh federal employee

02:33:50.080 paychecks we have to spend a lot of money on trade i'm sorry on pirate uh ransoms because

02:33:58.400 that's a call back to our last interview guys yeah i think i think the figure was something

02:34:05.680 like four hundred thousand dollars per year out of a budget of a total budget of like five million

02:34:11.660 so that's you know a good chunk of change uh to spend on like to spend on ransoms um so we end

02:34:21.520 up kind of spending a little bit of our military budget on uh building six frigates but that's

02:34:27.040 like ship autism is its own kind of thing um so i so right out the gate you know we have a u.s

02:34:37.760 constitution that says you know no more interstate tariffs we're just going to have a blanket you

02:34:43.680 know five percent tariff on foreign goods across the u.s and that'll bring in something like

02:34:52.640 about three million dollars but we still have a big windfall and we are still racking up more debt

02:34:58.880 we need to tax something else and uh what hamilton uh the treasury secretary proposes

02:35:06.960 is property taxes and of course everybody hates this so he falls back on something a little bit

02:35:15.680 bit more a little bit less controversial uh tax on on uh alcohol production and there are a few

02:35:23.500 reasons to you know discourage people from you know heavily drinking um i can't really yeah wives

02:35:31.740 well okay so here here's the really here's the kind of mind-blowing thing that i actually came

02:35:39.500 across in this one book called The Alcoholic Republic by Rohrbong. So people drank about,

02:35:46.820 you know, three to four shots of pure alcohol per day, or that equivalent amount of alcohol

02:35:53.520 per day. People were wasted during this early Republican era. You know, President John Adams,

02:36:04.200 every morning he woke up and drank a tankard of hard cider you know uh tidewater virginians like

02:36:11.820 him like uh like washington and jefferson you know they drank uh copious amounts of rum punch

02:36:18.660 every single night while entertaining guests you know the the average uh commoner average worker

02:36:26.180 you know they don't have any good sanitation so you need to put a little bit of whiskey in

02:36:30.780 everything you drink and so everybody's drinking copious amounts of alcohol and you know there's

02:36:38.380 some legitimate criticism to you know try and hamper uh alcohol consumption yeah i'm gonna

02:36:46.600 stop you right there i reject any criticism of that i think it is the duty of all americans i

02:36:54.000 say this as a non-american but i kind of am uh we need to get back to that that was back when

02:37:00.240 things made sense decisions were made that deserved to be made everyone should be drunk

02:37:06.720 at least like try that for five years and maybe maybe all these problems go away well here here's

02:37:13.840 here it's it's easy to you know say it's you know not gonna lie everything would be a whole lot more

02:37:20.440 fun while drunk um however what are you actually drinking and you know uh in the early like in the

02:37:30.840 colonial era most people were drinking rum um nice yeah like basically what we do was we imported

02:37:39.720 sugar cane from uh jamaica and then we distill it in new england and then distribute it across the

02:37:47.080 the u.s uh but after independence you know the british are very protectionist of their markets

02:37:53.940 and we're like slapped a huge tariff on us so no more rum um and so we started growing we started

02:38:02.960 distilling whiskey instead it's here i'm gonna pull it up it says that it's called whiskey which

02:38:08.220 does sound like a cocktail made from protein powder yeah it's like whiskey like that that's

02:38:15.400 how like that's how it was uh pronounced um and you know after going through the federalist case

02:38:23.900 for you know having taxes and having uh steady income i go into i call it raising pencil or what

02:38:32.680 was it raising west sylvania um in reference to sort of like the hell like the hellion nature of

02:38:40.280 uh like the Appalachian back country kind of like uh raising Arizona um the thing is uh

02:38:50.900 the Appalachian back country was completely lawless and completely drunk and their entire

02:38:59.720 income relied on whiskey production so I go into the sort of origin story of the colony of

02:39:07.660 pennsylvania um which is if if you can imagine pennsylvania being settled it's something like

02:39:16.120 three different rings right so uh pennsylvania is initially settled in you know the 18 or the

02:39:25.300 1680s and 90s by a few waves of quakers in philadelphia right on the coast um basically

02:39:34.780 somewhat affluent

02:39:36.940 you know and middle class

02:39:38.960 like people from Quakers

02:39:42.820 from Liverpool and

02:39:44.580 London what they did was

02:39:46.860 they bought off of

02:39:48.380 William Penn two properties

02:39:51.080 he sold these properties in

02:39:52.800 bundles

02:39:53.440 basically the deal was

02:39:57.020 for the equivalent of like

02:39:58.900 you know

02:39:59.300 100 grand he'd sell you

02:40:02.740 a plot for a townhouse in downtown philly and a you know 10 to 30 acre plot in the philly suburbs

02:40:13.140 for farming and that was a pretty good deal um it was a pretty good deal and it attracted all sorts

02:40:20.940 of affluent uh like you know affluent uh artisanal you know middle class quakers

02:40:30.200 uh but pretty quickly you ended up with some perverse rings around philadelphia around

02:40:36.940 philadelphia uh what i uncovered in one of my books was the fact that you had dutch slavers

02:40:44.200 who would essentially they they go to war-torn germany uh to these starving peasants who had

02:40:54.460 their land ravaged by uh completely destroyed by these french marauding armies and what they did

02:41:02.460 was they said hey get onto my boat we're gonna evacuate you and what they did was they shipped

02:41:07.600 them to philadelphia starved them in harbor until they signed indentured servitude contracts and

02:41:14.980 had them work on their philly philly uh suburban farms for like five years classic ruse yeah it's

02:41:23.760 it was quite it was quite brutal but um you know eventually these germans ended up creating

02:41:31.500 coming voluntarily creating germantown and then the amish started coming then you ended up having

02:41:38.660 these weird cultists in like the caves outside philly um like if you ever want to visit like

02:41:46.200 kelper's cave or i'm sorry kelpius's cave you know this you had like this weird doomsday cult

02:41:52.540 in like the caves just north of philly um wait hold hold up you're telling me they got hitler

02:42:01.340 in argentina in america well they got germans in caves hiding out like kelpius is actually

02:42:09.800 kind of a wild guy he was like this this mad rosicrucian like guy who believed the world

02:42:16.940 was going to end in like you know 1692 uh it didn't happen and he spent the rest of his life

02:42:25.620 just chilling out in caves um i believe that there was also this one like wild like hermit who

02:42:32.380 hermit quaker who was like five foot tall and you know lived in caves and you know was an

02:42:39.460 abolitionist who disrupted everyone's lives but um the quaker society kind of devolved in the first

02:42:47.220 two decades like they wanted to you know william penn he wanted to expect he wanted to create a

02:42:56.740 very tolerant uh quaker colony where everyone could practice their religion without any sort

02:43:03.040 of um without any sort of molestation from the national government um quakers you know they

02:43:11.400 believe in the the holiness of the inner light and pacifism and plain speak and plain dress

02:43:19.900 and honest dealings uh they didn't believe in um in having walled cities and this was fine because

02:43:30.300 the delaware indians you know they're much more peaceful than their neighbors so you know it was

02:43:37.260 it was a pretty it was a pretty good start um however the quakers got pretty rich pretty quick

02:43:44.620 i started selling slaves and slowly the uh colony got big enough to the point where you know

02:43:53.060 a third ring of wild scots irish you know fighting irish types started pressing into the borders and

02:44:02.080 finding some really angry indians to get into frontier battles with uh so this this third ring

02:44:09.000 is where real issues started happening um so basically the pens um you know they they

02:44:23.340 they wanted to both so the pens they owned the entire state of pennsylvania as their personal

02:44:34.160 property they made money off of selling land to settlers as well as you know their own

02:44:40.240 independent little businesses um and so naturally they wanted to encourage you know immigration to

02:44:49.240 pennsylvania and you know wouldn't you know it we had uh you know hundreds of thousands of irish

02:44:56.800 like scots irish you know from uh ulster ireland and from north fc who you know linen prices were

02:45:06.200 kind of unstable and rents were kind of rising so you know might as well pick up shop and you know

02:45:13.440 moved to the pennsylvania frontier where land is almost free you know it's it's free if you're

02:45:19.520 just squatting and you just create a settlement out of nothing uh but um but uh

02:45:28.800 they uh some of them ended up actually paying for their land the pens encouraged this immigration

02:45:37.740 because it made them some money and also the scots irish are notorious for you know their

02:45:43.920 fighting spirit fighting attitude um but there was some conflict between the sort of old uh

02:45:52.840 moralistic pacifistic quakers who created the quaker party which was later called the county

02:45:58.760 party uh to you know kind of reign in the more rowdy scots irish fighters who kept on getting

02:46:06.880 into you know indian battles uh with the natives uh as opposed to the propriet to the proprietary

02:46:15.680 party run by the penn family and you know wealthy speculators and the scots irish who just want to

02:46:22.320 keep on pressing uh pressing west and getting more land and selling more land um so speculators

02:46:32.480 right um the penn family sold each acre for you know a couple cents to these big companies who

02:46:42.080 would you know buy tens of thousands of acres of land and sell tiny chunks to settlers for a slight

02:46:49.680 profit um and these farmers right they usually didn't have any money because they're like poor

02:46:58.240 scots irishmen uh so what these speculators would do would say hey uh don't pay us off now but you

02:47:08.560 know we're gonna charge you eight to ten percent per year interest on what you owe for the deed to

02:47:14.980 your land and you know if you're in you know middle of nowhere like appalachia what do you do

02:47:25.020 for money uh what they did was they sold or they they cultivated uh corn rye and barley and they

02:47:34.760 distilled it into whiskey uh so whiskey it you know in pittsburgh it could be sold for around you

02:47:43.960 know 25 to 35 cents but if you got it all the way to philadelphia it could be sold for a dollar per

02:47:52.040 gallon uh and if you got it if you floated it down the river to new orleans you could sell it

02:48:00.320 for a little bit more than a dollar however the problem is that you know from the back country

02:48:06.840 pittsburgh to philadelphia it's about 300 miles and you have to go over a mountain range as opposed

02:48:13.320 to just floating it down the ohio river and selling it in new orleans but we didn't have a

02:48:19.020 treaty treaty with spain so it's you know it we we really couldn't do it um and sorry i have one

02:48:29.560 question here from uh in the chat here from melon i know we could google this but what was the point

02:48:35.240 of the mason dixon line i want a non-gay answer so i'm coming to you for the least gay answer

02:48:43.420 possible uh okay so this is it is a means of keeping balance in the in congress and congressional

02:48:58.500 representation between northern and southern states using an arbitrary line

02:49:04.560 um the mason dixon line you know slate the north of the mason dixon line the border between

02:49:13.680 maryland and pennsylvania studied outwards uh south would permit the institution of slavery

02:49:20.640 uh the north north of the mason dixon line would not but you know that's i'm i'm kind of getting

02:49:30.720 on to a tangent um so i've just i know i hope to answer the question melon if we want a more

02:49:37.520 detailed answer maybe we can come back to that but just tell them for the folks at home with

02:49:42.400 the mason dixon line yeah yeah so the entire livelihood of these backcountry farmers was

02:49:50.660 reliant on distilling whiskey and selling it and you know as soon as you cut that off or if you

02:49:58.360 made it unprofitable there goes the entire economy of the backwoods um and i also described in my

02:50:06.400 article uh the sort of frontier like uh sort of um the reg the nature of the regulators and

02:50:16.200 regulation and law enforcement in the back country right so if in the case of places like you know

02:50:25.580 appalachian uh north carolina um this one land surveyor his name was herman husband

02:50:33.180 he came across you know this one um this one tax collector you know fraudulently collected two

02:50:41.500 taxes from 200 farmers but then never actually gave them to oh it's above this yeah um you know

02:50:51.740 falsely collecting taxes and then never actually paying them to the colonial government you know

02:50:57.460 there were instances of these all throughout the back country corrupt tax collectors

02:51:01.920 corrupt land agents who would say hey i'll take ten dollar i'll take ten dollars off of you for

02:51:11.560 the land deed to your land then they'll never actually file it with you know with the colonial

02:51:16.820 government and they'll just pocket the money um a spoiler alert kind of dies in the whiskey

02:51:24.180 rebellion um so what the right what in order to regulate uh corrupt behavior in the back country

02:51:34.320 what the sort of scots-irish borders did was they created regulator posses so these are sort of like

02:51:42.680 angry mobs of local citizens who get together to, you know, regulate the corruption in their

02:51:50.720 communities. And about 2,000 North Carolinians, you know, rose up to, you know, as a show of

02:51:58.920 force against the corrupt North Carolina governor's increase in taxes and, you know,

02:52:06.220 neglection of corruption um this regulator movement revolt was quelled and her husband

02:52:16.220 would evacuate to western pennsylvania uh but there there are these sort of regulator posses

02:52:23.820 you know developing all across the the appalachian back country uh and you know

02:52:32.460 One of the regular revolts was Shays' Rebellion. In order to pay off the Revolutionary War debt that the state of Massachusetts accrued, what they did was the state of Massachusetts created a speculatory bond market where they sold the public debt to public creditors.

02:52:57.280 who made a little bit of money off the interest in the public debt.

02:53:04.280 And in order to pay off the interest in this debt, what the city of Massachusetts did was

02:53:09.100 they increased, you know, property taxes and increased poll taxes and excise taxes,

02:53:15.240 which fell regressively on the broke, poor veterans of Western Massachusetts.

02:53:21.560 so what the you know the people of massachusetts did was they revolted

02:53:27.220 and you know started burning down um you know they they seized an armory they uh they tried

02:53:35.680 to fight off this corruption by burning the tax records and courts and you know that's that's

02:53:43.280 just what you did you nullified you know the debts that you're owed unjustly um in a lot of

02:53:51.040 ways i've heard this described it was america's george floyd moment i mean

02:53:57.220 like uh i guess um but like i said earlier like we had about a dozen of these sort of

02:54:11.180 squatter republics uh a lot of the rebels from uh from herman husband's regulator movement

02:54:18.760 north carolina they didn't want to swear loyalty and oath of loyalty to the uh corrupt new uh

02:54:25.240 north carolina governor so what they did was they packed up and moved west of the appalachian

02:54:31.640 mountains and uh formed the watauga association and declared independence from britain and later

02:54:42.360 during the american revolution they'd supply men for the uh they called themselves the over mountain

02:54:47.720 men to fight off uh general cornwallis's british army and uh you know it's it's a big famous thing

02:54:55.960 and uh one of the ogc chapters named after the over mountain men um but they were this sort of

02:55:02.600 independent republic that would become the state of tennessee um you also had stuff like the

02:55:09.960 Transylvanian colony where some big speculators bought this large property in modern-day Kentucky

02:55:23.100 off the Cherokee, and they sent Daniel Boone to set up this Transylvania colony.

02:55:29.960 However, Native Americans, they didn't exactly have borders, and there were a whole lot of

02:55:36.240 different bands and you know if you pay one band uh for the hunting if you pay one band of indians

02:55:43.860 for the land you know what happens if another band of indians you know hunts in the same area

02:55:52.120 uh so what you had was you know they signed these property rights for they sign off these property

02:55:59.560 rights to kentucky but the shawnee from the from the cherokee but the shawnee and delaware tribes

02:56:05.880 you know they hunt there too and so there was you know all of these like little land battles

02:56:13.720 from the semi-autonomous speculator republic um and also you had states like uh like do you know

02:56:21.400 where um where vermont is i do yes but from tv so uh the state of vermont was originally

02:56:31.000 it was originally a squad a colony of squatters you know the the green mountain boys who you know

02:56:40.240 even though the land was owned by this giant speculator company they ain't paying no taxes

02:56:45.700 for common land or they ain't paying for no deed to no common land um and so they just created

02:56:53.140 their own little independent republic of vermont and you had all of the like this was the case for

02:57:00.100 just about the entire Appalachian back country and you know during the American Revolution

02:57:07.260 you know starting in like 1778 um things got very very bloody on the frontier right uh the British

02:57:17.460 started losing the war you know they got kicked out of Philadelphia and so they refocused to

02:57:25.160 invade the south and they also called in all their like indian allies to attack

02:57:33.520 uh you know the the appalachian back country i i call out the uh the great runaway of 78

02:57:41.980 because you know basically all of the uh the iroquois delaware and shawnee just go ham and

02:57:50.440 try and try and you know wage a rather bloody race war against these you know american colonists

02:57:57.240 and you know the the continental army it was focused on fighting other armies

02:58:03.480 um so what you ended up with was very tight-knit frontier militias fighting these brutal backwoods

02:58:12.440 indian wars um and these scots irish little independent republics you know banded together

02:58:21.080 and every single month the guys would get together to um you know the guys would get together for uh

02:58:27.960 the local militia and they'd spend the morning learning how to march and take orders and then

02:58:35.640 you'd spend the afternoon shooting like training with your rifle with your with your neighbors

02:58:42.440 And then you start and then, you know, in the evenings, you have a nice barbecue with your neighbors and the militia.

02:58:49.540 It's it's not like a regular military.

02:58:53.300 It's a draft where everyone between the ages of 18 to 46 actually has to participate in the militia.

02:59:01.920 So you actually have to go to the gun range with your neighbors.

02:59:05.900 Like this is mandatory.

02:59:07.220 and it was a necessity because indian raids were both common and horrifyingly fierce so everyone

02:59:15.720 in the back country you know these are already rough scots-irish people but they were actually

02:59:21.840 involved in these brutal like uh these brutal wars between colonists and the indians so it would be

02:59:31.340 pretty common if you were in a militia

02:59:33.460 that you would see active combat

02:59:35.400 yes like almost certainly

02:59:37.400 you would have actually had to

02:59:39.280 participate in these you know

02:59:41.000 these wars

02:59:41.900 do you think you need that

02:59:45.280 for militia to be effective

02:59:47.380 because militia movements are still

02:59:49.400 popular to this day

02:59:50.640 but it seems that militias of the past

02:59:53.580 there was a very real

02:59:55.240 threat at your doorstep it was more

02:59:57.320 survival immediate survival

02:59:59.400 rather than hypothetical survival

03:00:01.440 in some sort of collapse scenario?

03:00:03.760 Yes.

03:00:04.720 I do have a book called

03:00:06.280 For the Common Good by Kaufman

03:00:08.220 that it's on turn of the century,

03:00:12.980 late 1800s, early 1900s fraternal organizations.

03:00:18.400 And there's a chapter called

03:00:19.940 Competitive Militancy

03:00:21.300 that goes over how guys would compete

03:00:26.680 to get into the most exclusive gun clubs

03:00:29.140 and like militia like regiments uh because you know a it's kind of cool to go to the gun range

03:00:37.640 with the you know the local guys but every once in a while they'd also get called up to put down

03:00:45.080 you know uppity uh like union rioters uh so there was a sort of necessity to it still in that day

03:00:55.260 too um but you know it's it there there was a definite necessity like everyone you know as

03:01:05.800 soon as you could could you know as soon as a kid was cognizant he was you know taught how to

03:01:11.300 how to load a gun while dad shot the gun from his house if it was under siege from indians

03:01:17.860 you know everyone knew how to arm like everyone had to own a gun just out of necessity and because

03:01:25.680 they were legally required to everyone knew their neighbor from these militia rallies

03:01:31.540 um everyone was actively involved in fighting the indians there was no help from the federal

03:01:38.740 government uh the federal government was uh like you know you lived in these sort of

03:01:44.440 semi-independent rural republics and now the feds you know the one stable uh means of income that

03:01:54.320 you had was from selling whiskey where you know you don't have much hard currency and what hard

03:02:00.980 currency did come your way came from selling whiskey uh and all of a sudden all of your whiskey

03:02:07.260 money is just dried up in excise taxes caused by these federalists who you know these aren't

03:02:15.780 like federalists they didn't see any benefit from you know they didn't have any help from

03:02:21.200 the continental army they fought off the indians by themselves uh like tax collectors were corrupt

03:02:28.260 and you know this was just the federal government was just seen as an extra layer of bloat

03:02:34.020 so the you know what happened after the whiskey excise tax happened was no one paid it well not

03:02:44.580 like basically no one volunteered to be tax collectors and uh just about every like rural

03:02:54.360 community said like had their own little county conferences saying where you know like okay so

03:03:02.280 the federal government does something that that you don't like in the early republican era what

03:03:07.120 do you do um someone asks like anthony wayne would like a word well i'm gonna talk about

03:03:12.960 mad anthony wayne later um but um what they did was if you don't if you don't like the federal

03:03:22.980 government doing anything that you didn't like if you don't like what the federal government is doing

03:03:27.720 what you do is you get all the most affluent citizens of your county together or region

03:03:33.360 together in a conference and you put together you know a few articles saying hey these are why these

03:03:41.960 are the reasons why we disapprove of what you're doing in a very legalistic kind of way and you

03:03:49.260 know it's a sort of show for saying all of these um like all the most wealthy guys in our area are

03:03:56.080 gonna rally to oppose you and if that doesn't work you know you start uh litigating and you

03:04:05.380 know these this is a one this is a 99 white area like we do things by the book and legally even if

03:04:12.680 we are squatters um so what we end up doing is we had a few conferences in western pennsylvania

03:04:20.500 you know all the most affluent citizens say hey we don't like this we're gonna fight this

03:04:26.900 in congress and uh you know that's that's what that's how it all starts um but in western

03:04:38.720 pennsylvania um we were blessed with this man named john neville who is the one guy in appalachia

03:04:48.760 who decided that he would actually enforce the whiskey excise tax um now john neville

03:04:56.440 he was the richest man in western pennsylvania like he he he came from a wealthy uh virginia

03:05:04.520 planter family um wealthy uh virginia planter family uh he fought in lord dunmore's war this

03:05:13.400 like indian war in what in modern day west uh in west uh virginia um he fought with george

03:05:22.440 washington and the product expedition yeah there there we go um he fought in the american revolution

03:05:29.560 you know right rising through the ranks of you know from basic lieutenant to breeder general

03:05:35.160 role um he was in he was in uh george washington's you know aristocratic fraternal society the

03:05:43.280 society of the cincinnatus um and when he came back to pittsburgh what he did was he founded this

03:05:51.260 uh this giant uh business empire you know he married the uh i believe he married the the

03:06:01.500 sister of so western pennsylvania we have fort pitt right it's uh the sort of hub of all commerce

03:06:09.720 in western pennsylvania and pittsburgh it's centered around fort pitt which is you know

03:06:16.520 a garrison of 100 150 guys um it's you know third biggest town in western pennsylvania

03:06:24.740 um aside from washington and greensburg but what neville does is he marries the

03:06:32.900 uh wife of the uh the major in charge of the fort and and then his he married do that back

03:06:41.560 then you could just marry someone's wife yeah and then he marries his daughter to the quartermaster

03:06:46.360 of the fort and he uses this to get all sorts of nice cushy contracts with the fort

03:06:52.400 so he becomes the sole supplier of whiskey to you know all of these guys you know 150

03:07:00.620 like 100 guys which you know paid in federal dollars um he also sets up this nice like cushy

03:07:09.560 estate uh called bower hill he has a nice like uh he has a nice townhouse in downtown pittsburgh

03:07:17.800 you know he owns like a pottery kiln he owns like a glass works you know he's got all these

03:07:24.200 he has like slaves he has 18 slaves working at power hill uh he has a five a 500 gallon

03:07:31.280 whiskey still you know if you were lucky you could get like a five to ten gallon whiskey still

03:07:38.320 but it was funny is that in the context of the time i can't tell of 18 slaves is a lot of slaves

03:07:46.920 and based on what we know they drink i don't know 500 gallons is a lot of whiskey back then either

03:07:51.960 well so i no one had slaves in like the pennsylvania back country but he did

03:08:01.000 um because he's you know virginian um most also back then you could just you could be the first

03:08:09.160 guy to do a lot of things now he started a bunch of businesses so how i made my millions

03:08:16.580 invent a new type of corn with a hat and then you could just do that yeah you could just just

03:08:22.780 do these things um i i said like i think i said earlier in the article you know in rural

03:08:31.300 pennsylvania communities you know maybe one in five to one in ten guys had a whiskey still

03:08:38.860 and that whiskey still would be like five to ten gallons and you really only produce like

03:08:45.720 200 gallons whiskey per year as a small farmer uh but you know he's making you know industrial grade

03:08:56.180 like levels of whiskey um and still still personal supply it's like on the catch with a dime bag

03:09:07.100 yeah so so this guy neville he's the richest guy he's with richest guy in western pennsylvania

03:09:15.940 he has all the federal contracts uh he has all the money all the industry uh and guess what he

03:09:24.880 also does he decides to become western pennsylvania's uh revenue inspector for the whiskey

03:09:31.100 tax so he's also collecting your taxes um you know he doesn't actually do it himself he's way

03:09:38.860 too busy he sort of deputizes people to do it but it's you know just another uh feather in his cap

03:09:46.460 to collect these taxes um so what happens right away is he starts hiring uh revenue inspectors

03:09:57.020 or deputizing them um people hate paying their taxes but the thing about being a revenue inspector

03:10:04.820 back then is that you're paid on commission you know you get paid one percent of the revenue that

03:10:10.420 you collect and so you're kind of incentivized to overestimate the amount whiskey that this still

03:10:17.480 this stills can actually produce and that's that's it's not very cool and no one really

03:10:23.960 appreciates it so as soon as he hires the first revenue inspector what happens in mingo creek he

03:10:30.860 uh the first revenue inspector robert johnson he gets tarred and feathered

03:10:35.920 um and tarred and feather being tarred and feathered is not very fun um you know it's

03:10:43.000 boiling hot pitch you know you get third degree burns the like in removing the pitch you actually

03:10:50.200 do strip off some of your skin so you're permanently disfigured you know all of your

03:10:55.500 hair gets ripped out it's a it's very it's very very nasty it makes you wonder would just the tar

03:11:02.600 have worked were the feathers necessary yes i mean just i mean just look at it look at it

03:11:10.180 he's loving it look at this guy top left i'm sure that's like that's you know melted chocolate or

03:11:16.800 something and it's not real that's why he's so excited yeah so so poor robert johnson the first

03:11:23.800 um revenue inspector he does he doesn't like it though and he's he's permanently scarred um

03:11:30.340 and so there's you know neville throughout the this conflict he keeps on hiring people

03:11:37.280 and they keep on getting tarred and feathered uh all the while um

03:11:42.860 uh basically well robert johnson recognizes who does it to to him too which is really nasty

03:11:50.300 he recognizes the guy who turned feathered him as uh as colonel john uh hamilton no relation to

03:11:59.300 alexander hamilton who is you know the elected colonel of the washington county militia and

03:12:06.280 also the sheriff of the town that he was collecting taxes from um so what what john

03:12:14.840 hamilton and his brother daniel do is you know they run the county militia what they do is they

03:12:22.580 say we ain't paying no whiskey tax uh we're not going to allow uh whiskey inspectors or still

03:12:31.120 inspectors to come in our neighborhood we're not going to pay it we're going to enforce

03:12:35.700 um we're going to enforce you know this decision we've made by threatening anyone who does offer

03:12:43.700 to pay the tax uh if the tax collectors try to set up an office or make sure that you know

03:12:51.660 they don't through various means and methods of intimidation and what they do is they create this

03:12:59.820 shadow government called the mingo creek association um and the mingo creek association

03:13:05.580 is just like another one of these redneck republics where the county militia are actually

03:13:13.300 you know the county militia actually becomes the government like they just say we're not

03:13:20.100 going to follow the pennsylvania uh nominated judges we're going to set up our own people's

03:13:26.880 courts uh we're gonna create we're gonna make our own uh school correct we're gonna write our own

03:13:32.960 school curriculums uh we're gonna you know nominate nominate our own uh state assemblymen

03:13:40.640 through our own elections and our own electoral process uh and we're gonna we're not gonna we're

03:13:47.920 not going to you know secede from the union we're just not gonna follow any federal laws

03:13:53.040 um and so um what we have throughout the next few years is of various instances that i i lay out

03:14:04.340 very you know very minutely um very diligently you know instances of neville you know like

03:14:12.160 various people going into mingo creek uh and stuff bad stuff happens to them um or neville

03:14:21.540 tries to set up an office uh but guess what happens the guy who rents out the office

03:14:26.940 uh for the purpose of tax collection you know the mingo creek society you know destroys the place

03:14:35.000 or if uh you know if someone tries to pay their tax what happens uh tom the tinkerer

03:14:43.100 pays you a visit um the mingo creek association takes out newspaper ads saying you know if you

03:14:51.520 you if you pay the whiskey tax or if you tattle on us expect a visit from tom the tinkerer

03:14:57.980 uh the joke being a nefarious name too yeah so tom the tinkerer was a tinker a tinker is kind of

03:15:06.080 like a kind of like a mechanic or an engineer but instead of you know fixing your still he just

03:15:12.440 shoots holes into it and then burns your field down or burns burn down you know just for good

03:15:17.860 measure um i thought it'd be something like oh you don't want to call tom a tinkerer you might

03:15:24.100 show up one night well he might start tinkering with you yeah that's that's kind of what happens

03:15:30.600 um you know uh eventually john hamilton and the mc like he becomes a sort of shadow governor of

03:15:39.680 the mca and he has this he has you know sheriff of a pigeon creek uh you know uh tom holcroft

03:15:47.740 take over as you know head of the goon squad um and they they have this sort of small reign of

03:15:56.980 terror while the sort of upper echelons of um of western pennsylvania society create what is called

03:16:06.660 were called the democratic societies um so 1792 rolls around and you know we have this this reign

03:16:16.540 of terror thing in france right heads start rolling you know king gets beheaded you know

03:16:22.620 george washington says we don't want anything to do with this um and you know we don't want

03:16:30.800 anything to do with this but quite a few of these anti-federalist types you know they kind of like

03:16:37.020 the idea of having these like plutocratic elites having their heads chopped off

03:16:41.140 and so they create their own into they create their own little democratic society you know

03:16:49.020 high high society events to you know toast the french revolution you know maybe we could do

03:16:55.000 something like that at home you know all these erudite people you know drinking drinking whiskey

03:17:00.780 of course but um but toasting to the french revolution and this is pretty uh you know it's

03:17:12.680 it's kind of incendiary it really irks you know george washington and alexander hamilton

03:17:18.100 And in the Western Pennsylvania democratic societies, we have the emergence of, um, of David Bradford. Um, now I've, I've, um, I visited David Bradford's house. It's still, it's still up. He had a, he had a pretty nice townhouse, not gonna lie. It, it, uh, actually has windows. No one had windows back in the day.

03:17:44.720 um but uh david bradford he's an appreciator of the french revolution and he says hey maybe we

03:17:55.080 should do something like that here maybe we should start you know typical bougie sort of

03:18:00.900 revolutionary yeah he's a bougie revolutionary um and you know he starts hobnobbing with the

03:18:08.960 wealthy people of western pennsylvania saying hey maybe we could do this french revolution thing

03:18:14.700 here in appalachia uh meanwhile in the away from the towns you have herman husband from the north

03:18:24.660 carolina regulator movement come out of retirement to herman herman husband you know he's a man of

03:18:32.480 the faith he's a man of the people and he creates a pseudonym for himself tuscape death and what he

03:18:39.960 says is America is the new Jerusalem. And we're going to create a new and better world that is

03:18:49.380 more godly than the crowned heads of Europe, these decadent monarchs. But he becomes very

03:18:56.600 disenchanted with the passage of the U.S. Constitution. That's too much government for

03:19:01.880 we're too too centralized we're we're becoming just like those europeans um but also for some

03:19:10.140 reason the uh the alligator mountains just outside pittsburgh kind of look like the mountains

03:19:17.140 described in the book of revelation you know come to think of it this decadent town of pittsburgh

03:19:23.940 you know it's such a big city you know about a thousand people total living in it you know

03:19:29.560 decadent it calls it sodom you know we need uh we're gonna kick off armageddon and the new

03:19:37.480 jerusalem movement by burning down pittsburgh but that's what that's what needs to go to bring jesus

03:19:42.580 back um and so he starts getting this sort of fandom of you know the destitute and homeless

03:19:50.340 hanging out in his like little little uh you know mountain compound um

03:19:58.260 while you know the affluent you know david bradford's like hey let's let's start rolling

03:20:04.640 stop chopping off heads and you have john hamilton you know terrorizing tax collectors

03:20:10.400 whenever they show up on his doorstep um i think someone brought up uh anthony wayne

03:20:17.640 uh in order to fight the northwest indian war a couple thousand uh a couple thousand um

03:20:25.800 you know u.s militia soldiers passed through pittsburgh um they kind of realized like fort

03:20:33.940 pitt's kind of old and too big uh for like a hundred guys to actually man so you know we

03:20:41.280 build Fort Fayette you know just northeast of uh the old Fort Pitt um yeah he he he also

03:20:52.460 doesn't really have a high opinion of Pittsburgh you know calling it Gamora it's like okay we need

03:20:58.460 to get away from all this whiskey and all these women let's set up shop you know a safe 20 just

03:21:04.380 outside of the blast radius where my men can soberly you know train Americans have a rich

03:21:11.160 history of reading the bible and saying that's literally next door that's here yeah yeah so

03:21:19.100 you have yeah we we we have certain tendencies and it's not it's it's a bipartisan issue too

03:21:30.820 because as i state um you know you have anti-federalists you know democratic republicans

03:21:37.460 like husband who say you know the political opposition is literally satan but at the same

03:21:44.360 time the federalists have you know jedediah morse who says you know he's anti-federalists

03:21:51.040 these anti-government types do you know who is also anti anti-government and want to overthrow

03:21:57.440 the marquis of europe the illuminati and guess who else is in the illuminati thomas jefferson

03:22:04.700 thomas payne you know he he names like 800 people and uh george washington has to you know

03:22:11.820 send a nice letter to the to the president of yale saying no my political opposition is not

03:22:19.380 the illuminati um calm down me thinks the lady doth protest too much what what do you mean by

03:22:28.340 this hmm just writing a letter i know we're both guys i'm getting ahead of this i'm not part of

03:22:34.520 the fucking squid with its its tentacles wrapped around the world yeah so you know we we have our

03:22:41.540 incendiary uh evangelicals you know it's it's you know a bipartisan concern the opposition being

03:22:50.140 literally satan um the same david bradford actually may or may not have cameoed with um

03:22:59.660 with spanish spy james wilkinson uh in his escape but i'll i'll get that a little bit later

03:23:06.600 um so what what we have um is increasing tensions between you know now john neville who can't do his

03:23:18.000 job his his poor you know inspectors and collaborators who keep on getting either

03:23:23.340 tarred and feathered or they're proper um or their property destroyed um and then you have the

03:23:32.420 you know these three factions the mingle creek society the democratic society and the new

03:23:39.440 new jerusalem new jerusalem jerusalem movement which you know are all organizing and doing

03:23:48.920 their anti-federal thing so this eventually comes to a head where you know uh where uh the federal

03:24:01.180 government has just about had it uh with the whiskey tax dodgers um you know hamilton threw

03:24:10.860 him a bone he lowered the tax from you know nine cents a gallon to eight cents a gallon but um he

03:24:18.320 also increased the fine for not paying the tax from you know $20 to $250 and you know you could

03:24:27.560 only really pay this tax in a federal court located in Philadelphia 300 miles in a mountain

03:24:34.340 range away from Pittsburgh and you know people only made between like 20 bucks and 100 bucks a

03:24:41.140 year so imagine having to pay like 10 times your salary in fines for running a business that isn't

03:24:50.340 making a profit because you have to pay the tax that you're being fined for so no one's no one's

03:24:58.080 paying it um but uh eventually we have this uh this gentleman his name's uh his name's lennox

03:25:10.140 he's sent out to actually start serving you know writs to people who have dodged their taxes

03:25:16.840 and uh what happens is john neville and lennox start going house to house you know serving

03:25:25.720 people their writs saying hey you got to pay this fine for uh this fine for not paying your taxes

03:25:34.060 um but uh what happens is uh domingo creek association is conveniently in set like meeting

03:25:45.240 in session that day and um and what they do is they say hey we gotta like they they're informed

03:25:58.040 that someone is you know trying to arrest tax dodges tax dodgers that's not that's not what

03:26:05.240 what's happening but that's what the impression is so what they do is they rally the militia

03:26:12.280 you know 50 guys you know start trying to chase down uh john neville and

03:26:18.840 neville retreats to like for uh bower hill estate and the militia fallen back home

03:26:33.080 and about like by the time that they get back to bower hill um they

03:26:40.680 they only have like 37 dudes besieging you know this house of this one wealthy like

03:26:48.520 wealthy virginian his 19 slaves and you know a few of the women folk and what kicks off is the

03:26:56.040 first battle of bower hill where uh the militia try and besiege john neville's house um it doesn't

03:27:04.940 go too well you know john neville you know snipes some poor guy in the head um and the guy the

03:27:12.920 militia fall back to figure out you know what the hell do we do uh they kind of think they think

03:27:18.620 that um they think that um you know neville might have a cannon somewhere in his house

03:27:25.560 it's a big two-story mansion uh he's got to have a cannon somewhere and we don't want to get blown

03:27:31.320 up but we don't we also don't know what we're supposed to do um so they retreat back to their

03:27:37.900 you know local militia point and basically the uh the mca they you know put out they send out

03:27:48.240 runners saying hey we're uh we're gonna fight the feds uh they're starting to arrest our folks

03:27:55.040 so we gotta we gotta we gotta rally and so about about 500 guys across you know the five counties

03:28:04.020 rally to uh bower hill you know they they create their own like little flags and you know they

03:28:11.760 have their own like little band and there are 500 dudes there uh meanwhile john neville you know

03:28:19.620 gets the gets a uh gets like a dozen guys from a fort pit to reinforce his house you know uh

03:28:29.480 um you know he gets about a dozen soldier feds from the fort to reinforce his house uh he gets

03:28:36.960 you know additional feds like federal marshals to help reinforce him and you know his son and

03:28:45.200 these two other u.s marshals try and try and get to the mansion but you know his son doesn't arrive

03:28:50.680 on time uh they hear you know the mingo creek association band coming and neville you know

03:28:59.480 he gets he gets the hell out of there he like hides in this like nearby ravine and you know

03:29:06.600 the 500 mingo creek guys they you know encircle the mansion and they say they you know they send

03:29:14.180 out they send out one of their emissaries and he's like all right uh we just want john neville

03:29:22.860 give him up uh major uh fitz uh fitzgerald i think his name his name is um says he's not home

03:29:32.780 and what right do you have to uh what right do you have to you know arrest this man you know

03:29:41.200 the mingo creek guy is like all right let me talk to my boys um and so he goes back

03:29:49.520 another flag of truce um and says hey uh you know we would like to search the mansion for

03:29:58.320 john neville uh but also you know the women and children can leave uh but we'd like to

03:30:05.600 search the mansion and you know the women and children leave um but then you know third

03:30:14.300 negotiation you know like someone from the mansion we don't know who but shots break out

03:30:20.820 and there's a firefight for a few hours in which um you know the lead negotiator from the

03:30:27.760 mingo creek association gets you know shot in the thigh and bleeds out to death and you know

03:30:34.860 this firefight goes on for a few hours and eventually you know enraged that the lead

03:30:41.960 negotiator who was like you know he had a little white flag and was trying to you know broker

03:30:47.400 negotiations he gets shot so in a rage the mingo creek guys start burning everything to the ground

03:30:54.380 um they first start by you know we burn down the barn we burn down you know the well and then they

03:31:03.020 start burning down the slave quarters and then the the you know mansion actually gets caught on fire

03:31:09.200 and everyone has to like make a beat all the all the feds had to make a beeline to the to the woods

03:31:16.300 but you know they get captured you know all of john john neville's property gets either you know

03:31:22.620 looted or destroyed um only the slave quarters only one building in the slave quarters actually

03:31:29.560 remains um and the minger creek association captures the feds and you know okay what do

03:31:40.820 you do you've caught about a dozen or so feds how many of our audience have themselves imagined

03:31:48.520 this moment let's just leave that that go ahead yeah so there's sort of like a question time you

03:31:56.500 know what do you do with you know a dozen glowies and while you're surrounded with you know a

03:32:03.640 thousand of your homeboys because guys keep on filing in from the five counties of western pa

03:32:09.520 and you know all the the affluent citizens of western pennsylvania have to start you know

03:32:15.920 like they had to keep their hands clean of associating with the mca because you know it's

03:32:24.000 you know you don't want to fight you you want to you want to tastefully fight the good fight

03:32:31.380 you don't want to be associated with burning someone's house down

03:32:34.480 uh but the affluent citizens can't really you know they can't really

03:32:42.100 ignore the fact that there is an actual revolution going on um a bunch of liberty

03:32:49.160 polls go up you know in solidarity with the revolution um you know there are various

03:32:56.920 conferences where up the the wealthy of the wealthy men of western pa you know try and

03:33:05.800 give their two cents you know the democratic societies you know show up to mingo creek

03:33:12.360 to give their two cents herman husband comes down from the from the mountains to you know

03:33:17.400 give his little sermons um the militia searches all throughout the um the back country for neville

03:33:26.520 but they can't find him because you know he he and his family evacuated to virginia you know asap

03:33:34.520 um and in the chaos uh david bradford takes over as the head of this revolt against the

03:33:43.720 federal government he calls himself you know uh you know the napoleon of the west he uh he starts

03:33:53.220 raiding the post offices to see you know what are the feds saying about us is has word gone out we

03:33:59.360 need to put a stop to all the info going out to the feds um and then he puts out a call saying

03:34:06.380 you know everyone from upstate new york to west virginia come down on this specific day

03:34:14.360 we're taking over pittsburgh and kind of on his own authority uh with the sort of tacit

03:34:22.740 support of the more radical guys of the mingle creek association and democratic society and

03:34:28.360 new jerusalem guys uh what they do is they end up getting somewhere between

03:34:33.460 like 5 000 and 7 000 guys uh coming to pittsburgh and uh braddock braddock bradford's plan is

03:34:44.580 we ask the fort to surrender nicely and join out join in the revolution against the federal

03:34:52.520 government or else um you know he starts making like little lists of uh collaborators with the

03:35:03.020 federal government and you know he starts you know making lists of people that he uh he thinks

03:35:09.580 should have their property seized um and it's you know he he wants to kick off a french revolution

03:35:21.780 and instead of you know having his revolution kick off and go successfully what happens is uh

03:35:31.640 i mean he he really did think it was going to happen he uh you know he made he had his wife

03:35:39.780 make him like a nice like general's uniform with like fake medallions he got himself like a little

03:35:45.900 braided white horse you know he wanted to look the part but what happened was uh his assault on

03:35:53.180 fort uh fort finite didn't go so well um one of the protagonists of my article his name is um

03:36:01.220 His name is Hugh Henry Brackenridge. You know, Brackenridge was he was nominally a federalist, but he always had his county's back and always supported, you know, his neighbors with integrity and their economic interests.

03:36:20.520 so he he opposes the whiskey tax of course um but breckenridge is a very interesting guy he uh he

03:36:29.320 founded the university of pittsburgh he founded the pittsburgh post gazette um he wrote you know

03:36:37.240 satirical novels uh kind of like uh kind of like uh like like what's his name uh mark kind of like

03:36:45.720 mark twain kind of um you know very interesting guy you know very affluent lawyer he tried to

03:36:52.360 create the independent uh state of west sylvania uh it didn't go out go so well but uh what bradford

03:36:59.260 does is he uh he tries to he he tells the people of the town you know hey uh all the guys they're

03:37:12.300 to be out marching tomorrow you know to fort fayette um what you need to do is you need to

03:37:20.220 not give them any opportunity to raid your stuff what you should do is you should put alcohol on

03:37:26.380 your front door and give me some booze so i can you know put it all you know put barrels of of

03:37:34.300 you know whiskey in their muster point and uh what we're going to do is we're going to get them

03:37:43.420 drunk and i'm going to hire this ferry service to transport them across the monongahela river

03:37:50.300 back home and they're not going to take passengers back and i'm going to lead them

03:37:57.980 away from fort fayette instead of turning right um to you know go to the fort or i'm gonna do is

03:38:07.260 i'm gonna lead the parade i'm gonna lead them left back to the muster point um this very much

03:38:14.540 is a bugs bunny style plan well it it worked because you know he he did lead them uh back to

03:38:22.860 to their muster point you know they they walked like 16 miles in you know late in like august

03:38:29.940 heat you know it's hot you don't have a food all that you really have to drink is you know

03:38:36.600 barrels of alcohol and uh most of them end up going home this was such a great era in military

03:38:45.040 strategy everything's so serious now but back then you could easily imagine a very successful

03:38:51.160 scheme being hatched where under cover of night they get all the soldiers drunk and then fill

03:38:57.580 their boots with maple syrup and then the war just doesn't happen well i mean it it did work

03:39:04.520 exactly you just you just do this stuff you could just do this stuff um what what if we turned all

03:39:10.660 their hats inside out and glue them so they can't wear their hats right then what are they going to

03:39:14.280 do go to a battle looking like fools so bradford you know he he kind of he kind of copes a little

03:39:22.900 bit you know a couple thousand guys you know he he left like a couple thousand guys left the field

03:39:28.520 you know they went home but he still has a considerable force and uh you know the more

03:39:35.380 affluent citizens you know they weren't gonna stick around when the the fight against the

03:39:40.180 federal fort went down um so they you know the the affluent citizens started coming back to uh

03:39:47.320 check in on bradford see what the plan is um so what they come up with is uh you know

03:39:56.500 let's talk this over let's figure out exactly what we're fighting for like are we are we

03:40:02.620 actually gonna start you know we're actually gonna start chopping off heads or like are we just you

03:40:09.260 know was this just a show of force to the feds to make them know that we're serious

03:40:14.300 and so you know over the next couple weeks they you know get devolved they devolve into

03:40:21.300 you know petty debate um i do note that um that uh on top of the five pennsylvanian

03:40:30.260 uh five pennsylvanian uh counties that revolt um two counties in west uh virginia end up revolting

03:40:40.580 too uh you know they kick out all their feds like all the feds in their towns and you know

03:40:47.300 you have seven counties uh united against federal rule with seven stars and a nice

03:40:54.580 uh no excise tax you know slogan attached to the front uh and that's that's one half of the uh the

03:41:04.900 old glory club mingo creek society's flag um so what happens is that um we really don't know

03:41:18.980 know what the plan is you know all the like a lot of the hardliners they go home kind of drunk

03:41:26.280 um bradford he he he wants to go full napoleon mode but no one else will actually you know

03:41:37.660 not enough actual people with actual backing like with real political authority back him

03:41:43.660 uh it's just a few of his um it's just a few of his you know immediate group that want to do this

03:41:51.440 uh so they really it kind of just fizzles out um but the feds eventually do catch wind of what's

03:42:03.320 going on and what you know what uh what george washington does is he goes to his cabinet and

03:42:13.020 like all right um you know there was a shootout with the feds and this angry mob you know they're

03:42:23.100 still kind of camped out there um they're still camped out there and they're still a threat

03:42:31.020 so what do we do so hamilton says you know i've been telling you for the last few years

03:42:37.900 we need to send troops out there to call the the rebellion um but you know his anti-federalist

03:42:47.740 you know rutledge uh secretary of state is like no i think we just need to negotiate a peaceful

03:42:55.740 stand down before content before anything or i'm sorry edmund randolph uh let's negotiate with them

03:43:03.180 peacefully before sending out the troops and washington is like all right let's do both

03:43:08.780 um and so what he does is he he rallies the militias of um of pennsylvania new jersey

03:43:16.140 virginia and maryland um he nationalizes those four states militias uh and says all right we're

03:43:25.740 We're going to take two armies, right?

03:43:29.780 Virginia, you know, Light Horse Henry Lee, Virginia governor.

03:43:35.580 You and the Maryland guys are going to go to West Virginia and reestablish federal control over West Virginia.

03:43:42.540 Then you guys swing north to Pittsburgh.

03:43:45.940 Meanwhile, Washington and his Philadelphia and New Jersey guys are going to march to Pittsburgh on their own.

03:43:55.740 um you know i found it kind of ironic that uh you know light horse uh henry lee was actually the

03:44:02.820 the father of robert e lee of civil war fame which is a little nice cool little factoid

03:44:09.180 it's also kind of strange reading uh the correspondence because in in the u.s constitution

03:44:19.460 um the the president is he's commander-in-chief of the military but we've only you know what does

03:44:31.000 it mean to be commander-in-chief of the military uh washington translated that to be you know

03:44:35.860 i'm literally obligated to lead the guys into into war to put down these rebels

03:44:42.420 um and so he led the virgin the pennsylvanian and new jersey guys out to march on pittsburgh

03:44:51.480 so absolute chaos um you know back in pittsburgh like brackenridge and and uh and bradford and all

03:45:05.000 the other guys kind of hammer out exactly what they're gonna do um like i like i'd say in this

03:45:11.220 this passage right here bradford's like all right what did the fed what did the french revolution

03:45:16.480 guys do they established a committee of public safety and we start chopping off heads um but

03:45:24.940 you know cooler voices prevailed uh you know gallatin was like all right what did like what

03:45:32.160 what what do we actually have to justify chopping off heads like we literally you know did we we

03:45:39.100 literally fought the feds and you know caused a riot you know why are we going to resist them

03:45:45.980 and bradford's you know he waxes poetics you know infringements on our natural rights you know

03:45:52.880 whatever um brackenridge he's like okay the feds are going to send their army up here

03:46:00.140 let's have a nice stand down you know we rally you know a couple thousand guys you know we're

03:46:07.680 to meet their guys and we're gonna you know peacefully disassemble you know we're we promise

03:46:14.160 we're not going to battle the feds um this doesn't really go down um instead of actually you know

03:46:25.840 raising an army to fight the feds what what happens is um george washington sends out

03:46:33.520 essentially an ultimatum saying hey swear an oath of loyalty to the federal government

03:46:40.480 or you know suffer the consequences and you know the the representatives in pittsburgh of this

03:46:50.400 conference uh they event like through various electoral shenanigans end up coming to the

03:46:58.240 conclusion that we aren't going to fight the feds and we're going to swear an oath of loyalty to the

03:47:04.480 federal government and you know uh and we're actually going to start paying our taxes um

03:47:15.600 rather than act so about 2 000 guys in western pennsylvania say i don't trust this oath business

03:47:25.520 and i don't trust being occupied by these uh by these feds this fed army uh we're not gonna pay

03:47:33.680 our whiskey taxes we're gonna go west to the more lawless uh state of uh kentucky

03:47:42.240 uh we're not gonna get slapped with this 250 dollar fine we're gonna go west uh and david

03:47:49.360 bradford ends up going west along with a lot of the guys in the minga creek association

03:47:58.800 so yeah that's so eventually you know the guys end up going the the two federal armies eventually

03:48:06.800 do end up making their way to pittsburgh uh george washington he's getting a little bit old he's

03:48:12.240 getting a little bit senile um he's getting a little bit senile and he's also suffering from

03:48:18.320 these really nasty back problems um he he kind of he he has to you know uh be driven out to

03:48:27.920 pittsburgh in a little carriage but every once in a while he'll go out onto his horse just as a

03:48:33.400 you know show of solidarity with the guys and as soon as they get to uh to bedford which is like

03:48:40.480 the the eastern most of these uh these rural counties um he basically sees that you know

03:48:49.280 we're not actually getting any uh resistance in fact like you know bedford county which was home

03:48:55.720 to herman husband so they're actually they're actually celebrating us as liberators because

03:49:02.320 they they don't really like this herman husband guy anyways he's kind of a psycho um so washington

03:49:10.300 is like all right hamilton you take control of the army i'm gonna head home um and so what hamilton

03:49:18.700 does is um like washington said basic well washington said uh i trust your judgment here's

03:49:28.920 a list of all the tax dodgers that we wanted to you know we wanted to have fined um and you know

03:49:37.880 make sure that everyone swears their oaths of loyalty Hamilton is you know he does not like

03:49:47.340 these tax dodgers at all he doesn't like them one bit and what he does is rather than having

03:49:54.360 you know a nice neat process where everyone's wears loyalty and pays their taxes what he does

03:50:01.200 is he tries to round up everybody associated with the whiskey rebellion in one single night

03:50:07.020 uh basically in this one like freezing cold uh like late november night it's like a there's like

03:50:15.260 a snowstorm going on he has a list of a couple hundred names of a neutral jerusalem guys you

03:50:22.860 know mingo creek association guys democratic society guys and what he does is he has his large

03:50:30.600 army uh try and arrest everybody involved in one night a lot of them already got away

03:50:39.040 but about 150 didn't um it's it's called the dreadful night because you know the feds burst

03:50:49.600 down your door break down your door they don't let you you know grab your clothes um and then

03:50:56.120 they haul you and they stick you in the basement of some dank tavern for a few days without any

03:51:03.780 like fire food or water with you know other prisoners um it's not very fun um and also

03:51:12.880 the feds actually don't have much evidence that uh any of these guys were you know involved in

03:51:19.400 the places that they say that they were involved and you know they're not going to rat each other

03:51:23.560 out like no one no one's gonna testify um so the federal courts the federal judge in charge of

03:51:34.600 actually persecuting these guys ends up letting just about all of them go because he can't find

03:51:42.920 any witnesses to prosecute them so he sends about like 27 20 some guys uh including john

03:51:51.140 hamilton uh and hermit husband uh to philadelphia to be tried for treason um and you know they end

03:52:01.760 up marching um you know these these 20 some guys i think it's like 24 guys uh out to uh

03:52:10.820 out to philadelphia over the mountain 300 miles uh they finally arrive in pittsburgh in philadelphia

03:52:19.020 on christmas day um on christmas day and you know people in philadelphia hate they really hate uh

03:52:30.660 pittsburgh like pittsburghers you know these are the sons of wealthy quakers and you know mercantile

03:52:39.380 folk and you know instead of these like big burly mountain men they find these like emaciated you

03:52:47.560 know starved you know ragged no no shoes on their feet these like poor prisoners and when they

03:52:55.940 actually do try these prisoners um there's very little actual evidence that they did or said

03:53:03.100 anything incendiary and so all but two guys are let go uh among the two guys that aren't uh one

03:53:12.840 his name was philip ligel he he you know punched a tax collector who was stooping around his farm

03:53:18.440 in the face and you know they a witness was able to like place him at the second battle of bower hill

03:53:25.560 and the other his name was john mitchell he was uh one of he was in uh david bradford's gang

03:53:32.700 and uh was identified to have you know raided the post office um and opened up federal mail

03:53:41.720 but it was kind of obvious that uh that mitchell had you know some kind of disability you know he

03:53:50.060 had the sort of speech impediment he kind of talked kind of slow and weird uh so people thought

03:53:55.500 you know this guy's you know this guy's retarded back then they'd say he was touched yeah um and

03:54:03.500 this is actually the the third like retard that i actually name in this article

03:54:08.400 this is america used to be a real country yeah um so yeah the like the first you know meant you

03:54:20.700 know the first retard that we came across he um like rather than uh arresting some of the mingo

03:54:27.440 creek association guys for assaulting um tax collector uh robert johnson what john neville

03:54:35.920 did was he found this you know this retarded old man and said hey you serve this guy his papers

03:54:43.600 um and you know the poor retarded old man got tarred and feathered and tied to a tree

03:54:51.280 and uh the second you know retard was um you know a little bit of an he was a different type he was

03:54:58.180 an autist he was a he he was you know a school teacher uh from the east coming to pittsburgh

03:55:05.960 to teach the young ones uh you know basic reading and writing and but you know he was a foreign

03:55:13.040 coastal you know he was he was he wasn't from here and he was somewhat autistically saying you

03:55:21.040 know how does this whiskey process work you know can i see your stills can i see the machinery

03:55:26.280 in operation and he's just a hipster yeah well yeah he he was and he ended up getting

03:55:32.740 tarred and feathered for it uh and they you know tortured him with like a hot iron

03:55:37.820 uh tarred and feathered is a good one but you know i always i always thought

03:55:44.500 it would be very difficult to bring myself to physically torture someone and i was convinced

03:55:51.020 you have to really hate that person but just for my reading history they could do that to whoever

03:55:58.180 well you didn't have a regarded stranger yeah it's yeah it's there are many instances in this

03:56:07.540 article if you know there's a stranger in our midst let's uh let's beat him up um but the uh

03:56:15.900 back to sort of the the narrative though um the the two men who are tried for treason you know

03:56:22.260 uh you know philip weigel weigel he punched a guy in the face for snooping around his property

03:56:30.360 searching for stills um i'm not sure if that qualifies as treason or you know being hanged

03:56:37.760 over and john john mitchell you know he can you do you really want the federal government

03:56:45.520 you know the feds spent you know god knows how many how much money sending 20 000 like 12 000

03:56:52.680 guys all the way to pittsburgh just to try this retard for treason for you know being involved in

03:57:00.660 a posse that raided the mail like this is absurd and it was an absolute fiasco and uh washington

03:57:09.420 eventually you know part like stayed stays of education and uh you know pardoned them um

03:57:21.660 so that's pretty much how it ended you know the the feds you know occupied the like west

03:57:28.220 pennsylvania for for about half a year just to make sure that everyone paid their taxes

03:57:35.020 and was properly tried and took their oaths of loyalty um but the blowback against you know the

03:57:42.860 federal you know response to this was massive and uh the the disaster that was the john adams

03:57:50.120 administration ended up ended up causing you know 24 years of solid you know anti-federalist

03:57:58.980 democratic republican control of the federal government and uh and almost all of like the

03:58:05.840 the major alumni of the whiskey rebellion ended up doing great things um probably the the most um

03:58:15.660 you know like david bradford got the hell out of dodge he ended up creating this um

03:58:21.300 this nice plantation in in louisiana where he'd die peacefully um herman husband you know he was

03:58:30.140 kept in solitary confinement and he was an old man and you know he died a few months after being

03:58:36.440 acquitted of treason um you know john neville even though bower hill was burned down he still had

03:58:46.440 you know all sorts of other businesses and he bought like literally a giant island

03:58:52.280 uh like nibble island is is very big and very famous around on pittsburgh um oh and also oh

03:59:00.760 i forgot to mention yeah we we kind of won the northwest indian war uh with matt anthony wayne

03:59:07.480 and opened up the uh the west for further settlement and we reached a trade agreement

03:59:12.840 with spain so he could sell stuff in new orleans had a huge markup with very little cost actually

03:59:20.120 shipping stuff so the whiskey uh market was more profitable than ever was more prop profitable than

03:59:31.320 ever by shipping stuff through keel boats uh over the mississippi river to new orleans

03:59:39.000 so you know everything kind of worked out um you know albert gallatin who was the uh you know the

03:59:48.260 secretary for a few of these conferences ended up being thomas jefferson's uh treasury secretary

03:59:54.120 he also ended up being secretary under madison and monroe uh gallatin was kind of like the

03:59:59.380 anti-hamilton who went all in on slashing taxes slashed the whiskey excise tax and saying we

04:00:08.220 ain't paying any of these french foreign loans because we already could you you guys abolished

04:00:14.800 that government we don't owe you anything anymore um but yeah that's um let's see who else was there

04:00:24.340 um i'm pretty sure i forgot to mention that um i believe hugh henry brackenridge you know he went

04:00:31.520 that he went on to found university of pittsburgh and he had uh he ended up writing a few more

04:00:39.180 you know satirical novels and he ended up uh i think he ended up being a supreme court or

04:00:45.360 a state supreme court justice or something like that um i know i'm forgetting a few other

04:00:53.600 alumni but eventually the uh the whiskey the whiskey excise tax was banned was was abolished

04:01:01.700 and yeah it's that's that's just about it um it's a fascinating article um i think we covered

04:01:11.860 i mean we did cover pretty much everything i know we actually have to get going soon i was curious

04:01:16.260 if you this is a final part here about the legacy of mingo creek association and maybe you want to

04:01:22.800 bring that to the forefront now because there is a group with that namesake yes so in so the um

04:01:33.980 so the old glory club chapter based out of pittsburgh um we named ourselves the mingle

04:01:42.920 creek society after the mingle creek association uh because there's a because in terms of local

04:01:52.040 history that is you know underappreciated um pittsburgh is known for a few things historically

04:02:02.280 there's the homestead strike which you know gets wildly like distort the narrative around that is

04:02:10.040 wildly distorted uh and then there's also the whiskey rebellion but the thing is you know

04:02:15.960 no everybody is taught that you know there's a whiskey rebellion uh everyone in in high school

04:02:23.520 learns that there was a whiskey rebellion but no one actually knows what happened and

04:02:29.560 i figure it's uh you know it's it's uh it's a little bit of an edgy esoteric reference to this

04:02:39.760 of shadow government uh but i think part of the reason why i wrote this article was that

04:02:47.200 they eventually were vindicated in what they fought for and the excesses of the adams

04:02:55.680 administration vindicated exactly what they feared uh hamilton ended up what what what

04:03:03.200 What John Adams did was, you know, he brought in property taxes and he blew out the federal budget.

04:03:11.880 He, you know, spoke, he, he created all sorts of extra spending, you know, programs.

04:03:18.200 hamilton like invested in all sorts of boondoggle project like infrastructure projects you know

04:03:26.760 creating uh creating all sorts of factories and and uh and toll roads that ended up going bust

04:03:34.500 um all for the sake of uh these wealthy you know elite coastal creditors and that's exactly what

04:03:44.940 the anti-federalist democratic republicans thought was going to happen but at the same time

04:03:52.780 i wanted to in this article give hamilton his due because at a certain point it was necessary to

04:04:01.820 create a central bank to manage the debt and to have tariffs to actually pay off this debt and

04:04:07.900 have a stable currency uh because cheap crypto america bucks coin wasn't gonna fly and if we

04:04:20.860 you know something needed to give about the same time you know hamilton's excise tax was

04:04:28.860 very vindictive in the way that it um it made the back country unprofitable and untenable

04:04:37.900 so i wanted to give all sides their due i wanted to honor these local guys and i think you know

04:04:45.780 this was somewhat good um good promotion because you know literally no one knew what the mango

04:04:52.040 creek society was before i wrote it i literally wrote the the book on on exactly what they were

04:04:58.640 and what they fought for so i'm very proud of how it ended up no it's a fascinating read like i said

04:05:05.280 you weave a very compelling narrative about this entire thing and uh i was i loved reading it and

04:05:12.820 we actually got through the entire thing which i'm very impressed by um so i know we have to get

04:05:17.580 going right around now and uh it doesn't seem like we have any questions we've addressed everything

04:05:22.560 that came up thus far but uh if there's any closing thoughts you have um i can do i mean

04:05:29.500 i can direct people to your uh youtube as well hold on let's pull that up i mean i

04:05:36.460 i'm not uh i'm not sure what the future of my youtube channel is going to be but

04:05:40.380 please uh please link to the uh

04:05:45.980 uh please uh please link to the uh to substack rather or my um or even better my twitter or

04:05:53.180 telegram uh i'm not i'm not sure what the future of my youtube channel is going to be

04:05:59.500 but um let me just get this for sure up here uh where to get the sub stack because i have the

04:06:05.980 old glory club one here and let me make sure you find your sub stack that's a colossus corner here

04:06:12.540 we go i i don't actually have any uh anything on that i just uh i just need to create an account

04:06:20.540 okay so then check out the i'll just pull this up just the old glory club sub stack please

04:06:26.140 yes absolutely here we are people check this out right now go over the old glory club

04:06:32.900 we scroll all the way to top it is a trek to get to the top of this hold on let's do the images

04:06:37.960 near to death and taxes shameless promotion for old glory clubs mingo creek society if you're in

04:06:44.640 the region check them out i just want to say thank you so much classington another banger

04:06:50.820 another heater flying across the plate i had a great time and i believe everyone else did as

04:06:56.440 well so thank you for taking the time especially uh for taking us on the journey through this piece

04:07:01.500 no it was a it was a pleasure and it was a pleasure talking to you uh dimes

04:07:06.620 all right and i'll see you all next

04:07:09.360 hey baby i hear the blues are calling tall salads and scrambled eggs

04:07:14.480 And maybe I seem a bit confused

04:07:19.020 Yeah, maybe, but I got you, Peg

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