Candace Owens - September 16, 2026


A Tale Of Two Statements： Mikey McCoy’s Interview. Macklemore’s Mic Drop. ｜ Ep 387

More Exclusive Footage! For Whatever It’s Farnsworth… ｜ Ep 386 BIG NEWS! Erika To File A Wrongful Death Lawsuit. For Charlie Or For PR？ ｜ Ep 388

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1 hour and 5 minutes

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175.51

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11,477

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730

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Hosts:
Candace Owens
Also mentioned:
Mikey Sherrill Erica Kirk Ed Sheeran Charlie Kirk Tyler Robinson Mikey McCoy George Zinn Jeffrey Epstein Brandon Tatum Matt Tardio Michael George Carle Michael George Carl Turning Point USA Danny Phillip David Levitt Glenn Beck Goliath Philip Goldsberry John Mappin David Fradsham and 52 more

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00:00:00.000 All right, you guys. Happy Tuesday. What do I have in store for you all today? Well, I have some interesting footage of Mikey McCoy giving what appears to be his witness statement to an officer shortly following Charlie's assassination.
00:00:14.120 Now, let's be clear, Mikey McCoy giving a witness statement is not immediately suspicious. In fact, it's expected, right? But there is a specific detail which caught my eye regarding who in particular was sent to take Mikey McCoy's statement.
00:00:29.060 And I think it's rather controversial.
00:00:31.500 And in somewhat related news, have you noticed that Turning Point USA 2.0, just to be clear, under CEO Erica Kirk, appears to be openly promoting sexual deviance to do their bidding for them?
00:00:43.600 Like they're suddenly in with the crooks, really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
00:00:49.040 Well, another person in their influencer orbit has been caught, some might say caught in 4K, literally sexually assaulting a woman.
00:00:56.520 We're going to talk about that.
00:00:57.400 And lastly, we have to get into this Ed Sheeran dilemma.
00:01:01.260 It is highly relevant to all things that we are talking about.
00:01:04.140 An artist gets on stage.
00:01:05.420 He says, free Palestine.
00:01:07.100 Suddenly, powerful sexual deviant type billionaires rise up to try to destroy him.
00:01:12.460 Is Ed Sheeran going to take a stand?
00:01:14.480 Well, the artists around him certainly are.
00:01:17.580 Does Ed Sheeran have the power to let power go?
00:01:21.220 We're going to find out.
00:01:22.360 Welcome back to Candace.
00:01:27.400 You know what, guys?
00:01:39.440 I just want to say right at the top here,
00:01:41.020 the more I think about it,
00:01:42.320 like just in the privacy of my own thoughts,
00:01:45.020 the more outrageous it becomes
00:01:46.720 that we continue to be gaslit about Terrell Farnsworth.
00:01:49.940 I'm really angry about this Terrell Farnsworth bit,
00:01:53.100 just the amount of evidence that we have produced
00:01:55.140 that he is shady.
00:01:56.720 Terrell Farnsworth might just be my hill to die on.
00:02:00.300 It is just reaching a level of absurdity.
00:02:03.120 He's actually cartoonishly sneaky.
00:02:05.180 We were talking about today a stereotype of trying to get away with it.
00:02:09.120 An episode of Looney Tunes.
00:02:11.260 Here he is.
00:02:11.680 I just want to show you guys this really quick here at the top.
00:02:13.440 And before anyone falsely accuses me of having edited this clip,
00:02:16.520 I will state for the record that the audio captured is in fact real
00:02:20.280 and it has not been edited in any way whatsoever.
00:02:22.700 Take a look.
00:02:26.000 We'll be right back.
00:02:56.000 How is this legal? How is this legal? Something about that has to be illegal. We all agree,
00:03:15.500 right? I'm just going to say it again for the record. Should that man venture into the state
00:03:20.220 of Tennessee. I will be conducting a citizen's arrest. Terrell Farnsworth, you are not safe here
00:03:26.020 in the state of Tennessee. Okay. I will capture you. That's all folks. Anyway, now onto some
00:03:31.620 rather curious things. You know, from the very beginning of this, I've been onto them. I look
00:03:36.140 in retrospect at the episodes that we did earlier and I see why it was just a full bore attack on
00:03:41.840 Candace Owens because I'm obviously very good at pattern recognition. I had very early on put
00:03:47.480 together, that connecting themes, spreadsheets. Like I said, haters can hate, but they're only
00:03:54.900 making me stronger. And I recognized early on this weird recurring theme regarding human
00:04:00.880 trafficking, right? People working with and around charities that are particularly tied to Eastern
00:04:06.880 Europe, from Erica Kirk and her Romanian angels to all of these characters that she kind of put
00:04:12.480 around Charlie, these pastors. I'm going to bring up and briefly go through the spreadsheet because
00:04:16.500 it's relevant when we are going to get to Mikey McCoy. Okay, so I'm going to look at this
00:04:22.280 trafficking sex abuse. Obviously, that plane that took off, we never got an answer as to who was on
00:04:26.940 it, but they do run this abuse trafficking victims charity. Colonel Otto Buscher, of course,
00:04:35.440 was accused of running a brothel with Romanian children from 2011 to 2015 at the Romanian
00:04:41.840 military base. He worked with Erica's Romanian angels during this time. David Fradsham, he was
00:04:48.280 the civilian commander that was stationed at Fort Huachuca, who was charged with running a child
00:04:52.180 sex abuse ring. Turning Point USA Faith, forget it. I mean, it's all over. But in particular,
00:04:57.880 Pastor Greg Laurie, immediately after Charlie passed the first tour that they did,
00:05:01.940 Make Heaven Crowded Tour kind of sounds like a threat. But Erica had him on the headlining
00:05:07.700 paperwork, right? She didn't, uh, an event with Harvest Church immediately, not a conflict for
00:05:12.640 her, that they were, they are currently going through the court system being accused of
00:05:16.880 trafficking children from Romania. You would think she'd want to avoid that, uh, given what the
00:05:20.900 internet is, has dug up about her past and her history, but no, she went into that. Uh, he denies
00:05:26.220 the charges there. He doesn't deny that people may have been being trafficked. He's basically
00:05:31.620 saying it's not systemic and one person does not represent the church. Now, George Zinn, of course,
00:05:37.040 was arrested for having pornographic images
00:05:38.820 of children on his phone.
00:05:39.800 We'll get into that in a bit.
00:05:41.300 Andrew Piscadlo, you'll remember,
00:05:43.800 he was one of the people that the feds questioned
00:05:47.920 on September 10th.
00:05:49.080 He also, in his own capacity,
00:05:52.000 works to ring the alarm on military Ukrainian sex trafficking
00:05:55.620 into the United States.
00:05:57.580 Okay, we have the Calvary Chapel Church.
00:06:00.140 We've done episodes on this riddled
00:06:02.100 with pastor abuse stories.
00:06:04.140 It almost seems systemic,
00:06:05.180 like they are finding these shady characters
00:06:06.940 and making them pastors,
00:06:08.720 perhaps as a mechanism to control people.
00:06:11.020 We'll discuss that in a bit.
00:06:12.520 Glenn Beck, his daughters were there.
00:06:14.600 He was very much involved in the media on September 10th.
00:06:17.180 Him and Tim Ballard started Operation Underground.
00:06:20.180 It was Glenn Beck that funded it.
00:06:21.540 Tim Ballard had the idea.
00:06:23.740 And yeah, that's a Operation Underground
00:06:26.500 is rescuing children from human sex trafficking.
00:06:30.060 I believe their story began in Haiti.
00:06:32.440 I did interview Tim Ballard.
00:06:34.120 Erika lived in China and worked with child sex trafficking victims, according to her.
00:06:39.600 We have not been able to locate who she was working with at that time.
00:06:43.740 TPUSA advisor Paul Vallely is the retired Army general who ran psychological operations
00:06:49.840 and co-wrote a book with Michael Aquino, who was a Satanist and a founder of the Temple of Set,
00:06:56.280 former Satanist, who then became the founder of the Temple of Set,
00:06:59.220 accused of abusing children at the Army Child Development Center.
00:07:04.820 Victor Marks, obviously, you know, he says that he helps with human trafficking,
00:07:09.060 profits from his supplement company, go to his child trafficking charity, All Things
00:07:16.400 Possible.
00:07:17.320 Jakob Buyens also runs a charity for child sex abuse.
00:07:20.940 I don't know if his is called All Things Possible.
00:07:22.860 We might have put that twice, but he does run a charity for child sex abuse victims.
00:07:26.960 Um, Nelda Buckman, who they announced as the biggest owner of Turning Point USA ever, uh, is extensively involved in the rescue of children who are sexually abused and trafficked.
00:07:38.940 Marcus Wada, that's more trafficking arms in Poland.
00:07:42.480 Rick Cutler rescued kids from sex trafficking in South America.
00:07:47.160 Um, he did that via Operation Underground, which I said mentioned was funded by Glenn Beck.
00:07:51.060 Phil Goldsberry, you know, it is his son that Mike Charlie, we told you about him co-founding
00:07:57.720 Sofer Global Ministries, a 501c3 that provides medical care and training to orphans in Romania,
00:08:04.840 Albania, and Ukraine. Okay. Sorry, I don't know if Philip is the son. I think Philip is actually
00:08:11.100 the son. It should be the father. Oh, it's Junior. That's right. They're both Philip Goldsberry.
00:08:16.460 Pardon me. We're going to talk about Officer Christopher Bagley, so I'm going to skip that.
00:08:19.860 And now Judge Tony and we can come off of this. This is fine. So anyways, this this pattern then continues as it pertains to now the individuals that are directly involved in handling the Charlie Kirk case in Utah.
00:08:32.140 So Judge Graff, right, newly appointed by Governor Cox in August of 2025, just before Charlie's assassination, spent seven years with Salt Lake City District Attorney's Office.
00:08:44.800 I want you to remember that, the district attorney's office, because we're going to speak about them a few times.
00:08:49.320 He was prosecuting child and adult sexual crimes.
00:08:52.900 Before then, he was leading the special victims unit at the Utah County Attorney's Office, who we're also going to discuss, before moving to Davis County Attorney's Office, where he continued handling physical and sexual abuse cases.
00:09:07.460 Now, credit to Baron Coleman's team for sourcing this clip. I think it's from around 2022-ish of Judge Graff discussing what percentage of the work that he does that is related to that topic. Take a listen to Judge Graff in his own words.
00:09:22.960 I am so grateful for what I do. My specialty and the area that I find that I just find the most fulfillment is special victims prosecution. So 95% is sex crimes prosecution for children and adults.
00:09:40.920 And so I am very grateful that I get to work with that segment and work with these victims
00:09:48.240 who are incredible.
00:09:49.840 And they are some of the most challenging cases, difficult, heartbreaking.
00:09:54.820 It is where the most work is needed.
00:09:58.000 And I'm grateful to work in that.
00:10:00.040 And I work in it now.
00:10:01.420 And I will work in that area until I no longer can.
00:10:06.240 Okay, 95%.
00:10:07.940 Again, not accusing him of anything.
00:10:10.100 These are just facts about all of these people. This is what they do. This is the space they work in.
00:10:15.120 Then, of course, there is the curious case of the former undercover detective Mike Mitchell, right, the linchpin to this entire case against Tyler Robinson, in my opinion, if you ask me, because he's the one who claimed that he recognized Tyler Robinson in the news because, you know, he used to mentor him in Boy Scouts.
00:10:33.260 And then he's the one that then goes over to Matt Robinson's house and gets them to call over Tyler, convinces them all that they should peaceably surrender, despite Tyler Robinson's objections and saying that he did not murder Charlie Kirk.
00:10:47.200 He says, look, they have your information.
00:10:50.960 You can do this the peaceable way or you can be subjected to police banging down your doors.
00:10:57.600 It's worth noting that Mike Mitchell was an undercover detective in internet sex crimes against children.
00:11:05.300 That was what he was doing.
00:11:07.300 Now, Officer Christopher Bagley, we briefly went over this.
00:11:11.080 He is our officer who they used at the preliminary hearing.
00:11:17.400 His body cam footage notoriously went off after about, what, 25 minutes.
00:11:22.400 He's the one that found the screwdriver on the rooftop, which was the only, which actually the screwdriver was proven really doesn't tell us that it's Tyler Robinson's DNA.
00:11:32.800 I'm not going to get into that today, but that was their only link to Tyler Robinson, the screwdriver on the rooftop.
00:11:37.880 He finds it, didn't capture the moment.
00:11:40.100 Unfortunately, his body cam footage failed him.
00:11:42.980 He, too, formerly worked in child sex crimes at Utah County Sheriff's Office before he left and joined the UVU police force.
00:11:51.900 I believe that was in 2022.
00:11:54.240 And of course, our decoy boy, number one, George Zinn,
00:11:58.420 who created a distraction by shouting,
00:12:01.920 I did it, I did it in the immediate aftermath
00:12:04.260 of the explosive going off.
00:12:06.120 It turns out he was not working sex crimes
00:12:09.060 over the internet, but he was committing them, right?
00:12:11.280 Because after arresting him, it was discovered
00:12:12.860 that he had child pornography on his phone
00:12:15.560 pertaining to a five-year-old, by the way.
00:12:18.020 So this is a truly disturbed sick individual.
00:12:20.220 and it leads many sensible people
00:12:23.100 to wondering whether or not
00:12:23.900 he was blackmailed into doing that,
00:12:26.480 into jumping up and down
00:12:27.520 and creating a distraction.
00:12:29.220 The New York Post covered this.
00:12:30.720 It's not an article worth reading
00:12:32.240 because it's incredibly disturbing,
00:12:34.680 but he did, in fact,
00:12:36.140 get sentenced to child sex crimes.
00:12:39.480 Now, beyond this,
00:12:41.080 it was recently discovered
00:12:42.000 by Baron Coleman
00:12:42.900 that the first six search warrants
00:12:46.600 involved in Charlie's assassination
00:12:48.100 were all signed off by a man named Michael George Carl.
00:12:52.580 Okay, now we're talking about warrants.
00:12:54.720 What we mean is that the police are required
00:12:57.220 to file research warrants if they want to seize
00:13:00.480 or collect critical evidence.
00:13:02.580 It was Michael George Carl who signed off
00:13:05.580 for those warrants on the day of Charlie's assassination.
00:13:08.280 I want you to take a listen to Barron
00:13:10.180 describing his background,
00:13:14.140 what Michael George Carl's background is in,
00:13:16.540 and you won't be surprised.
00:13:18.100 Michael George Carle signed the six first search warrants in this case.
00:13:25.360 Michael George Carle, he's a police officer.
00:13:27.780 He signed the first six search warrants, including George Zen's search warrant.
00:13:33.140 We'll talk about George Zen in just a second.
00:13:35.320 So let's go look at Michael George Carle and see if we can find a connection to this industry.
00:13:41.120 Why would Michael George Carle be so fast to be on this?
00:13:44.700 Well, let's look here.
00:13:45.520 This is his training that is listed on his affidavit
00:13:50.560 The FBI Child Exploitation Task Force
00:13:53.100 He was on the Lehigh Police Department
00:13:55.540 In the Special Victims Unit
00:13:57.280 Worked crimes against children
00:13:59.340 Emphasis in online intimate crimes
00:14:01.940 Task force officer with the FBI Child Task Force
00:14:09.120 Lead detective on several intimate crimes
00:14:13.860 currently assigned with the Special Victims Unit,
00:14:17.800 the SVU, with the Utah County Sheriff's Office.
00:14:21.060 Primarily assigned, primarily assigned
00:14:24.020 to work cyber crimes involving the exploitation of the youth.
00:14:31.540 Intimate exploitation of the youth.
00:14:33.880 That's his primary assignment.
00:14:36.400 And he is the first one to go in and sign
00:14:38.380 the first six search warrants, including on George Zinn.
00:14:40.620 As an SVU detective, he's investigated several cases involving these types of crime and minors, online enticement of these people.
00:14:53.400 In his current assignment, he's investigating online crimes against young people, also attended and completing the training at ICAC Bootstrap Academy.
00:15:07.620 I'll talk about the ICAC in a second.
00:15:10.620 have since been approached by the FBI Child E-Word Task Force.
00:15:15.980 I know what the word is.
00:15:16.840 I don't want to say it out loud.
00:15:18.160 And was reinstated as a task force officer with the FBI Child E-Word Task Force.
00:15:24.460 Now, ICAC is the Internet Crimes Against Children.
00:15:29.820 Okay, so why is this guy immediately the one that is signing off on warrants?
00:15:34.660 And I want to be clear, it's announced around 2.45 Utah local time that Charlie has passed.
00:15:41.740 He has signed off for these first warrants at about 3.19 p.m.
00:15:45.300 So he had these ready to go.
00:15:46.680 And what are these warrants for?
00:15:48.520 Tyler Robinson's phone.
00:15:50.340 OK, what's a guy who specializes in Internet crimes against children doing signing off on these on these warrants?
00:15:57.060 Tyler Robinson's phone, the Google server that would have Tyler's phone location data on September 10th.
00:16:03.760 He signs off on that.
00:16:04.660 The cell towers that are surrounding UVU. He signs off on that. He files for that. George Zinn's phone. Charlie's belongings at Timpanogos. We've been talking about where are Charlie's belongings. Well, this is the person that's behind these warrants. Surveillance footage from Intermountain Health Utah Valley Hospital. That was a strange case.
00:16:26.200 We said Charlie had a file there. We don't know. Then we learned that the surveillance footage was also seized from Intramountain Health, Utah Valley, because they said that the perpetrator was driving around.
00:16:37.440 OK, that was their excuse to seize this footage and also the warrants to search Matt and Amber Robinson's house as well.
00:16:47.600 Again, why would someone with a career emphasis on sex crimes against children be jumping in on this public assassination that had nothing to do with children or the Internet?
00:16:58.240 OK, by the way, here's a diagram so that you can always record what we're sharing so people don't lose track of people that are involved, I guess, in this career.
00:17:08.540 Like they're working, obviously, George Zinn being the exception here as someone who was committing a crime against children.
00:17:16.180 These people are all specializing in this throughout their career.
00:17:20.800 Now, Barron mentioned there at the end the ICAC.
00:17:24.380 Again, that stands for Internet Crimes Against Children.
00:17:28.820 And even if you somehow go, okay, maybe for some reason they decided that this guy, Michael George Carl, is the right person to have gone after these warrants,
00:17:39.700 you would think it would be suspicious if the ICAC was immediately sent down to UVU to get
00:17:48.440 involved in the case on the ground that day. I'm talking even before the State Bureau of
00:17:55.140 Investigations gets there, you put ICAC on the ground, okay? I want you to take a look at this
00:18:00.040 never-before-seen clip from September 10th, and I'm going to describe for you what you are seeing,
00:18:05.000 OK, so if you look up in that top right quadrant, you're seeing Mikey.
00:18:11.100 He is on the phone.
00:18:12.460 Mikey is he's got to be on the phone there.
00:18:15.500 And behind him, you see three officers that are walking with him, walking behind him.
00:18:20.360 Rather, they're going to soon be walking with him.
00:18:23.080 OK.
00:18:24.640 The female that is amongst them is going to begin taking Mikey McCoy's assistant.
00:18:31.880 OK, Mikey McCoy's statement.
00:18:34.060 Pardon me.
00:18:35.000 What happens here is essentially Mikey is going to end his phone call with Danny Phillip.
00:18:41.520 We know that that is Danny Phillip he's on the phone with because we have, we were given by Erica, his call logs, right?
00:18:47.180 And so he is on the phone with Danny Phillip.
00:18:50.100 He concludes that phone call.
00:18:51.900 And then his statement is going to be taken by that female.
00:18:55.300 And she's wearing a vest.
00:18:57.680 Make no mistake.
00:18:58.680 That says ICIC.
00:19:00.300 His statement is taken by the Internet Crimes Against Children.
00:19:05.000 That's who he's walking with.
00:19:06.240 Let's watch her begin to take this statement.
00:19:08.960 And we can also show you some photos here.
00:19:11.420 There she is.
00:19:13.780 Police.
00:19:15.160 And then we'll show you on her vest where it says ICIC.
00:19:17.780 see. And she hits the record and they begin this process of getting what I obviously I am inferring
00:19:36.320 is his statement on what took place on the state. Lots of questions here. I'm going to show you some
00:19:40.420 photos. So as not to be confused, here is a still here, and here is another still.
00:19:50.880 Obviously, this is taking place behind the Denali, that Blake Neff. You can see right there,
00:19:57.080 this is a clear picture of her vest to show you. Police, and then it says Utah ICAC. So there's no
00:20:01.320 mistake that that is who she is with. And this is, I mean, we're talking 25 minutes after Charlie,
00:20:09.560 shortly before 1 o'clock p.m.
00:20:12.140 Mikey McCoy's still hanging around,
00:20:13.380 so there was definitively no rush to get to the hospital.
00:20:16.200 Again, they're standing behind the SUV
00:20:17.900 that Blake Neff and being Uber driven by Danny Phillip.
00:20:22.820 It makes me think there was somebody in that front seat before.
00:20:25.380 This is where his, like, memory gets cloudy.
00:20:27.440 Obviously, if they wanted to race to go be with Charlie
00:20:29.500 or to follow him, they had that option.
00:20:31.400 They had their car.
00:20:32.320 They had a car that was there.
00:20:33.840 Instead, Mikey's hanging around,
00:20:35.060 and this person is coming to take Mikey's statement.
00:20:37.820 Why Mikey, of all people?
00:20:40.520 Why internet crimes against children?
00:20:43.340 Okay, ladies and gentlemen, I'll ask the question,
00:20:45.060 is Mikey McCoy a child?
00:20:47.240 Was he being exploited over the internet on September 10th?
00:20:50.700 If you answered no to these questions
00:20:53.020 and you might be wondering like me,
00:20:55.240 why would it be the circumstance
00:20:57.160 that in the presence of the FBI, eventually the SBI,
00:21:01.740 the UVU police are already there, SWAT is already there,
00:21:04.480 U.S. Marshals, even the Utah State University police are underground or are undercover and
00:21:13.000 they're on the ground. Why on earth would they appoint a woman from Internet crimes against
00:21:18.900 children to take Mikey McCoy's statement about 25 minutes after Charlie's hit? Make that make
00:21:25.660 sense to me. Why are they there at all? Your job is to track criminals on the Internet. This was
00:21:31.660 not an internet crime and no children that you should have known would be involved on a college
00:21:37.260 campus. And even if you did, the crime didn't happen on the internet. So this feels weird to me.
00:21:46.260 What are they doing here? Who sent them? The question I had is literally who sent them who
00:21:50.560 made that call? And the likely answer, I can't be totally certain, but I am certain that the
00:21:57.180 attorney general's office is who controls the ICAC. That's who runs the ICAC, the attorney
00:22:03.460 general's office of Utah, the same attorney general's office that then brought in Lance
00:22:08.240 for a second statement in April before then recording the interview. The attorney general's
00:22:15.520 office is who the ICAC works under, and they are based there in Salt Lake City. So maybe this woman
00:22:24.260 worked locally out of the Orem Police Department? I don't know. I would like to know who she is,
00:22:31.500 but it makes no sense that they would have tasked her with taking that statement.
00:22:36.040 By the way, it might be relevant if you're wondering about the history, because it's
00:22:40.740 nationwide now. Every state has an ICAC division. We're wondering about who established that.
00:22:47.800 The answer is the Department of Justice. The United States Department of Justice established
00:22:53.340 the Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force program
00:22:56.320 back in 1998 to help states and local law enforcement
00:23:00.260 fight technology-facilitated child sexual exploitation.
00:23:05.660 Again, that's not what occurred on September 10th.
00:23:10.460 So here's what I want to say.
00:23:11.760 To me, when I look at everything that we've come across,
00:23:16.600 it feels like an intentional control mechanism.
00:23:19.880 In my opinion, in my strong opinion, this feels like a control mechanism that's being directed by the feds, like this is one big group.
00:23:30.300 And for some reason, the feds wanted them in particular to have their hands everywhere in this case, because I have been saying since the beginning that it seems to me, again, opinion, allegedly, according to Candace, the research that I have done, that Epstein's network reemerged in not-for-profit worlds.
00:23:49.880 in 2018. Right. I believe that that is actually a plausible motive, a plausible big reason that
00:23:56.420 Charlie was murdered, given everything that we've looked at. Trump's phone call yelling at him for
00:24:00.660 speaking about the Epstein case, Trump's protection of the Epstein network, the gaslighting of the
00:24:05.080 American people. We know his donors are involved. We know that that is in particular what Tucker
00:24:09.420 Carlson was speaking about on stage. He was speaking about Jeffrey Epstein. He was asking
00:24:14.320 where Bill Ackman's money came from, and he was speaking to power. When Charlie said to go Max,
00:24:20.360 it was problematic. And I believe that a machine was built around Charlie. He had no idea or
00:24:28.260 understanding as to what was happening. Neither did I at the time. I was with him. I have expressed
00:24:33.060 my belief that I think Erica was sent and set up to go after Charlie. I'm not going to pivot my
00:24:38.980 opinion on that based off of everything that I have seen her do, which flies in the face of
00:24:43.280 everything he stood for, where she has taken this organization, what we know, how we know he was
00:24:49.080 being squeezed, the people that are lying about what Charlie was going through. There's no reason
00:24:54.280 to lie about arguments that were being had the day before, pretending that he wasn't under pressure
00:25:00.540 from Israel. We know that Epstein was Israel's guy. Okay, that's too much coincidence for me.
00:25:08.600 by the way speaking of the utah county's attorney office in general in general because people have
00:25:15.300 sent us so many tips about various things that have gone on that have been controversial that
00:25:20.000 used to be up until 2022 the attorney general of utah was a man named david o levitt and there was
00:25:28.420 a massive scandal there were actually a few scandals regarding him uh none which have been
00:25:35.780 proven. He's not been found guilty of anything. And he says that this was because of politicking
00:25:41.020 and people who didn't want him to get elected. But I will say that I do not know, as a dirty
00:25:48.580 political strategy, people accusing you of cannibalism. I'll say that as to one thing.
00:25:54.300 So I do want to tell you a couple of things about David Levitt, because this is curious,
00:25:57.780 okay? Back in 2017, if you're going, Candace, this is going to have something to do with
00:26:02.120 Eastern Europe. Duh. OK, he was seeking support connected to adopting a northern Native American
00:26:11.120 child, a Cheyenne child. And he met with the tribal president and proposed a relationship
00:26:17.940 between the tribe and Ukraine. OK, involving Buffalo. This is just I don't even know where
00:26:25.700 else but an Erica Kirk story where you could suddenly be talking about Native Americans and
00:26:29.540 Eastern Europe, as we did our Erica series. And we're going, what's going on? Why is her mom doing
00:26:34.100 so much stuff on Native American reservations? We've got this same thread. And he basically
00:26:41.020 proposed to have a relationship with the president of Ukraine that we installed after the color
00:26:46.720 revolution back in, when was the color revolution? Back in 2005, Yushchenko. He pitched this proposal
00:26:54.540 for the tribe to have a relationship with Ukraine. You know what people like about
00:27:01.620 Native American reservations? No rules. No federal rules. So I find that to be remarkably
00:27:09.680 suspicious. Then there was back in 2020, there was a federal HSI whistleblower case
00:27:17.100 where an HSI analyst alleged that personnel received video evidence in April of 2020
00:27:24.300 potentially implicating Levitt in violations of federal trafficking and Indian child welfare laws,
00:27:31.960 but they ultimately failed to open an investigation. There was no criminal finding
00:27:36.440 against Levitt. Then the big one that I was just telling you about, which involved cannibalism,
00:27:41.200 in May and June of 2022, there was a child ritual abuse investigation. Again, this is the attorney
00:27:49.920 general, right? The Utah County Sheriff's Office announced that there was an investigation into
00:27:54.960 alleged ritualistic child sexual abuse and child trafficking dating back approximately
00:28:00.580 between 1990 and 2010. Levitt himself then revealed in a 151-page victim statement
00:28:09.120 associated with the case that he was named and that he was being accused, him and numerous others
00:28:16.540 of being accused of ritual abuse, murder, and cannibalism.
00:28:22.220 And he said that that was like being politically manufactured.
00:28:26.640 I don't know, like I said, as a strategy to keep people out of office
00:28:29.560 that I've ever heard of someone being accused of cannibalism.
00:28:32.800 That seems a bridge too far.
00:28:35.440 So there's a lot going on here in Utah that makes me very uncomfortable,
00:28:40.060 and I wanted to share that with you because I think it's important to know
00:28:43.940 that it feels like we're coming up against real power.
00:28:48.140 Obviously, from the beginning, we have known that
00:28:49.840 given the players that are involved,
00:28:51.700 but it is not a coincidence that all of these people have,
00:28:56.740 in my opinion, it's not a coincidence
00:28:57.940 that all of these people seem to have threads
00:29:00.880 that relate them or correlate them
00:29:04.040 to this one specific issue of child sex abuse.
00:29:08.880 I think that that's remarkable and it should be noted
00:29:11.740 and I wanted to make sure that I shared that with you guys.
00:29:14.620 When we get back, we're going to talk about some of these influencers that they have now partnered with, because this is a new organization under Erica Kirk.
00:29:22.060 It should be noted, this is new, it is different, and as a parent myself, I would never, ever, ever allow my children to be involved with Turning Point USA, ever.
00:29:32.580 I want to say that strongly. I want to state that repeatedly, given everything that we have uncovered, the non-existent answers that we are being given, that this is not the organization, in my view, that Charlie Kirk built and their insistence on wanting to have access to high school students.
00:29:48.820 It alarms me. I don't like it. It makes me uncomfortable. I don't buy Erica's bullshit at all, actually. It's not difficult to answer questions when there are reasonable answers to be given. She has refused that.
00:30:03.220 When I have emailed before we ran the episode, when people came and said that she was working with the modeling agency and said that she was the person that was in charge of the modeling apartments in New York City that had Eastern European underage models, I emailed them and asked for a statement.
00:30:23.120 They could have easily and flatly denied that office where Epstein frequented someone he was very close with, Faith Cates, running that modeling agency.
00:30:32.920 And or a modeling agency that started started by Jean-Luc Brunel of France, who was found suicided, as they say, in France when F.C. went down.
00:30:45.040 That would be something that a normal person would just respond to and say no.
00:30:48.420 I find it very suspicious that she didn't chose not to respond or to answer those allegations.
00:30:54.180 And I just find that where there is smoke, there tends to be fire.
00:30:57.240 And so I do want to, again, assert that until these questions are answered and responded to in a meaningful way, that I do not believe that parents and college students, especially high school students, should be involving themselves with Turning Point USA.
00:31:12.520 And this is not the full picture, by the way.
00:31:15.280 The people that were working that day for Turning Point USA, we have found cases that
00:31:19.840 are going on in the background that involve this same topic, and we're just holding on
00:31:25.160 that for some other specific reasons.
00:31:28.100 But yeah, I wanted to assert that.
00:31:29.640 We will be right back and we will discuss one of their influencers who was just revealed
00:31:35.040 as, I guess, someone just sexually assaults women in alleys.
00:31:39.040 Old school, really.
00:31:40.160 We'll be right back after a break.
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00:34:58.580 Okay. So the Epstein Network in general runs on blackmail. Obviously, we all understand that.
00:35:05.280 That is they find something about you. It's typically some form of sexual deviancy. This
00:35:10.060 is why he was throwing parties. It's why they bring underage girls. Once they capture you,
00:35:14.240 they sort of have you forever. So that's sort of the methodology. And there has been something
00:35:18.700 that just sort of makes my skin crawl about a lot of these influencers who are clearly working 24
00:35:24.200 hours a day to dilute the public into not believing their own eyes. Right. I don't find that I see
00:35:29.920 these people like Paramount Tactical. He makes my skin crawl. I just can't explain it. But there's
00:35:34.420 something not right with him. And then they try to bring in these people as if they're experts.
00:35:40.140 Right. So instantly we saw Turning Point USA using Paramount Tactical. I mean, like, oh,
00:35:45.720 he's a former Green Beret. So he's he can explain to you why magic bullets might split in the air
00:35:51.240 and bounce off of Charlie's neck,
00:35:53.280 and it's a modern-day miracle.
00:35:55.760 And similarly, they introduced this character, Matt Tardio,
00:35:59.560 because Turning Point never wants to explore
00:36:01.640 the plausibility that it's not Tyler Robinson.
00:36:04.680 Like I said, it's like their lives and freedom
00:36:07.620 depend upon it.
00:36:08.700 It depends upon it being Tyler Robinson,
00:36:10.920 and so they regularly bring in these people.
00:36:12.760 And Matt Tardio is one of these individuals,
00:36:14.220 popped up out of nowhere, former Green Beret.
00:36:16.920 And I'm gonna show you just how quickly he got on the
00:36:20.400 it was not Israel who killed Charlie Kirk narrative.
00:36:24.100 This is an actual clip of him visiting Israel
00:36:26.180 shortly after Charlie Kirk passed away.
00:36:28.140 Take a listen.
00:36:29.440 I went for a run this morning over inside Tel Aviv
00:36:31.760 along the beach against Grok's Better Judgment.
00:36:35.660 And I want you guys to see something.
00:36:38.020 For all of you that think Israel thought it'd be a good idea
00:36:42.400 to kill Charlie Kirk,
00:36:43.880 because I know for some reason people think
00:36:45.500 Israel wanted to kill Charlie Kirk.
00:36:47.020 Now, don't read Hebrew.
00:36:47.840 but i'm pretty sure
00:36:51.640 they didn't do it just thought well there you go if there's a poster of charlie and they say they
00:37:01.780 love charlie then israel didn't do it that seems like pretty sound positive evidence to me i don't
00:37:06.640 know why all people who murder people don't just think to do that like it like it's a missing cat
00:37:10.720 in the neighborhood poster and then if the feds come or the police come you say well it obviously
00:37:14.820 wasn't me, Sahir. Look at this. I would never put up a photo of someone who I killed. I mean,
00:37:20.340 just pointedly ridiculous propaganda. And like I said, they're never actually trying to pursue
00:37:26.840 any evidence. They're just trying to shut it down immediately. So Matt Tardio then,
00:37:31.200 after we revealed footage and they were suggesting that we had manipulated it, which
00:37:35.700 showed that the person walking in the parking lot, the maroon shirt person, is thicker, is much
00:37:42.780 wider. It does not look like to our, according to our own eyes, it does not look like it is
00:37:48.020 Tyler Robinson. Person is not as thin as was presented throughout the court hearing. After
00:37:53.040 we presented that, of course, Turning Point USA didn't contact me going, wow, that's really
00:37:55.940 interesting. Do you have more footage? We want to know who killed Charlie. Instead, they brought on
00:37:59.540 this Matt Tardio onto the Charlie Kirk show to debunk this. So take a quick look at this.
00:38:04.580 Without further ado, we've got Matt Tardio joining us now. He is a former Army Ranger
00:38:10.840 sniper and explosives expert and he's the host of speak the truth uh podcast so check that out
00:38:16.360 on youtube and other places matt welcome back to the show i'm grateful that you uh made some time
00:38:21.400 for us today i wanted to get into this because uh if you're it all plugged in on social media you
00:38:26.700 saw that uh our uh our friend over there candace released a video that it seems to be at least
00:38:34.660 connected or a version of or related to in some ways the i believe it was exhibit 11 that the
00:38:41.880 judge uh basically didn't allow to be seen by the news media during the preliminary hearing but was
00:38:48.040 shown privately in court it could be that video it could be a separate video it could have been
00:38:53.000 a recording of a video we're not sure exactly we'll play the video in just a second but what
00:38:57.820 was your initial reaction seeing this footage uh she's wrong again again she's wrong i don't know
00:39:06.200 how else to claim that she's she's wrong she's wrong saying that uh you know i forget what she
00:39:10.240 said basically it'll blow in his shoulder out shooting it or we should have seen the gunshot
00:39:13.160 go off uh she's wrong personally in my opinion stating that this is uh you know the the lower
00:39:18.500 quality video everything that the the rumors going around of it being a high quality video
00:39:22.860 therefore everybody is lying. There's very clear signs that the video was compressed or it was a
00:39:27.940 screen recording or a combination of both before it ended up getting sent to her. What did you
00:39:33.820 call it? A lateral crawl? There's no such thing, as far as I know. There's no such thing as a
00:39:39.640 lateral crawl. Okay, these are the experts they bring on again. Well, guess what was just discovered
00:39:44.400 thanks to the bulwark, actually? They discovered that Matt had a little bit of a secret, and I'm
00:39:52.600 sure it's not the only one. It's just one that was discovered. They published this, and it turns out
00:39:58.700 that Tardio pleaded no contest in Portland to, and this is last October, so October 2025, to felony
00:40:05.480 coercion and the misdemeanor harassment. According to police and Tardio's alleged victim, Tardio tried
00:40:11.220 to take one of his fans at the protest back to his hotel room to have sex with. When she refused,
00:40:17.620 He allegedly became forceful.
00:40:18.980 He grabbed the woman, carried her down an alley
00:40:21.800 before she managed to escape, okay?
00:40:25.620 Now the crime, in case you're wondering,
00:40:27.660 why would he plead no contest to this?
00:40:29.640 Because the crime was actually caught in 4K in full detail,
00:40:33.380 ironically, by surveillance cameras at the ICE facility.
00:40:37.120 So where he took her, there were cameras
00:40:40.760 and it got entirely captured on camera.
00:40:44.420 And when interviewed by a Portland detective,
00:40:46.480 tardio's explanation was that the left-wing antifa activists had plotted to get him stoned
00:40:53.580 makes entirely no sense he's not left-wing or we're supposed to believe he took
00:40:58.280 he took drugs from antifa obviously that did not work which is why he pled no contest
00:41:02.900 and so he's a sexual deviant he's exactly the vibe that i get from all of these characters
00:41:09.180 around turning point you just add it to the pile and when people it seems that whenever people are
00:41:15.360 married to the Israel cause in a way that just unnerves me, you find this in their background
00:41:23.260 because Israel is very good at blackmailing people, okay? And we can protect you as long
00:41:28.320 as you love Israel forever, no matter what, even if we are committing a genocide, which brings me
00:41:32.900 to Macklemore. I am not a Macklemore fan by any stretch or imagination. I have different politics
00:41:38.560 from Macklemore. But what is happening right now with Macklemore having been dropped, if you have
00:41:43.480 not heard from Ed Sheeran's tour is much bigger than him. I will preface this by saying that he
00:41:49.500 has made this a big issue, but this has been going on for decades, actually. This was a battle that
00:41:55.020 began with Michael Jackson, with Princess Diana, with Kanye West, people who did not understand
00:42:00.600 what they were talking about in terms of the power that sits in Hollywood, which begins to
00:42:05.260 act like a mafia if you have wrong think, if you step outside the bounds, if you challenge the
00:42:11.620 power structure. And for a very long time, we existed under the media spell where they could
00:42:16.180 tell us that this person was an anti-Semite, was a monster. In the case of Michael Jackson,
00:42:20.760 they could say he was a pedophile. And we believed it because we had trust with the mainstream media.
00:42:26.880 In fact, I'm one of the people who went down for saying genocide is always wrong. Look what they
00:42:33.220 did to me. So this has been going on for a very long time. But finally, we are reaching a pitch
00:42:38.340 in this country where people are awake to it and they see that people are routinely being smeared
00:42:44.200 and lied about for saying things that are true. And so Macklemore at a recent tour stop, he was
00:42:49.960 opening for Ed Sheeran, he gave a completely unproblematic speech and spoke accurately about
00:42:57.900 the current genocide, the Holocaust that is taking place in Palestine, which should sicken anybody who
00:43:02.980 has a soul. It doesn't matter what you are. You should be sickened. You should look at the photos
00:43:06.860 and be absolutely sickened and know that only Satan's chosen people could do that and feel
00:43:12.100 nothing. But of course, he's in Hollywood. So him making that statement caused a huge problem.
00:43:18.240 I want you to hear what Macklemore actually said. It's important to know what they said
00:43:21.800 so that you can destroy your relationship with the mainstream media who's going to lie about
00:43:26.660 what he said. Take a listen to what he said. I've been trying to figure out a way to say this all
00:43:31.260 day. One of the reasons why I wanted to come on this tour was because I wanted to stand up here
00:43:37.600 on stages and stadiums across America and say two words that are very near and dear to my heart,
00:43:47.780 free Palestine.
00:43:55.800 I said free
00:43:57.800 Palestine.
00:44:03.020 I want those words to be loud and clear
00:44:06.080 so the people from Gaza
00:44:08.340 all the way to the occupied
00:44:10.320 West Bank know
00:44:12.300 that we have not forgotten
00:44:14.160 them. And this next
00:44:16.220 song was inspired by the bravery of Columbia University students who led an encampment
00:44:25.780 movement that mobilized the entire world open up hearts, myself included. So thank you to those
00:44:32.200 students that risked their diplomas, that risked their tuition, that risked their scholarships,
00:44:36.340 that stood up and said no. CUAD students, Students for Justice in Palestine and Jewish Voices for
00:44:44.000 peace. Thank you, guys, to all of my Jewish brothers and sisters. Criticism of Israel,
00:44:52.760 criticism of apartheid, being against genocide in no way is a criticism of you.
00:45:01.460 My message is for peace, love for all human beings to be treated with dignity,
00:45:07.620 respect and equality so I say free Palestine I say free Lebanon I say free
00:45:15.300 Cuba I say free Congo free Sudan free all people in America living in fear
00:45:22.360 over this terrorist organization ice none of us will be free until we are all
00:45:33.020 all free. This song is called Hens Hall. So nothing he said, whether you agree with his
00:45:39.900 statements or disagree with the statements, there's no way you could cage that and say
00:45:43.640 that's anti-Semitism unless you are the pro-Israel lobby in America and around the world. That's
00:45:48.580 what they get to do. They get to say and pretend that they see something else in your statement
00:45:53.160 and pretend that they're the ones suffering a Holocaust while they're actually the ones
00:45:56.500 enacting the Holocaust, right? They are enacting a Holocaust in Palestine. That's what's happening
00:46:00.060 right now. And it's being allowed to happen. The halls of power in D.C. are allowing it to happen
00:46:04.840 because what's what has taken place throughout time in America, these really mongrels created
00:46:11.140 Hollywood. The entire system has been going on. If you read Hollywood Babylon in my book club,
00:46:16.960 you know exactly what I'm talking about. They have been doing this for so long and getting
00:46:22.100 away with it because they have this much power. So this, again, we are being met with a circumstance
00:46:26.740 were. It is Goliath versus David. It is David versus Goliath where this artist gets on stage
00:46:34.940 and says something. And what happens? Robert Kraft, who I'm pretty sure also is a sexual
00:46:39.220 deviant, right? Am I correct in stating that? Didn't he have a whole massage weird parlor
00:46:43.460 thing that happened, which is a form of sexual deviancy? Whatever. He's a billionaire. He owns
00:46:50.000 the New England Patriots, right? The entire Patriot Stadium. It's his. So he mounted a
00:46:56.480 peer pressure campaign because the lobby lobbied and they said that's not allowed you cannot you
00:47:01.560 cannot speak one bad word about israel even as we mercilessly kill children even if it's hunger
00:47:06.520 games and we're starving them and we have idf soldiers that are just plucking them off and
00:47:10.620 shooting them um as they run for food it's literally hunger games is what they're playing
00:47:16.240 over there and they're thieves and they're stealing and but they have power in hollywood
00:47:23.540 So this is what he does.
00:47:24.380 He pretends that there's something wrong with that statement.
00:47:26.480 And what happens is Macklemore gets canceled as the opening act.
00:47:29.900 And what does Ed Sheeran do?
00:47:31.160 He sort of comes off, comes out with this statement.
00:47:33.600 And I want to be clear, I actually like Ed Sheeran as an artist.
00:47:36.800 I actually, ironically, said to my husband, I'd love to go to an Ed Sheeran concert.
00:47:40.480 I like him because he's not perfect.
00:47:43.120 He does tend to abstain from making political statements.
00:47:47.240 He has made some in the past, particularly on the topic of Ukraine, which I disagree
00:47:50.060 with him on.
00:47:51.040 But he lives a pretty normal life, an unfabulous life.
00:47:55.920 And I like that about him, I will say.
00:47:58.720 However, whether or not you are a person who traditionally does not take a stance on political
00:48:04.360 issues or tries to stay out of it, the moment has come where you actually don't get to enjoy
00:48:09.640 that luxury anymore.
00:48:11.260 You don't get to, if you have a platform and you have more money than you could ever spend
00:48:16.520 in your lifetime get to look the other way when an artist is being peer pressured for making a
00:48:22.820 true statement about what is happening overseas and what our government is paying for, okay?
00:48:28.800 And so what ended up happening was they canceled. Robert Kraft was successful in, look at this old
00:48:36.460 perv, look at him, right? He was successful in having him canceled, calling, lobbying for others
00:48:42.720 because, oh, Israel, you can't do that.
00:48:45.800 This ball-worshipping colony,
00:48:48.500 den of thieves and vipers.
00:48:51.480 You can't say anything about them.
00:48:52.980 We established Hollywood.
00:48:54.340 We've got all the money.
00:48:55.300 We got all the stadiums.
00:48:56.220 This is, again, what they did to multiple people.
00:48:59.480 And what happened is that thus far,
00:49:01.840 three other people associated with this tour
00:49:04.220 have now dropped out.
00:49:05.840 Ed Sheeran tried to say,
00:49:06.660 okay, I had no control over it.
00:49:08.140 It was the stadiums that did this.
00:49:09.780 Well, now his tour openers,
00:49:11.960 Three of them have dropped out in solidarity with Macklemore.
00:49:14.900 So this is applying Mack's pressure.
00:49:17.180 The Goliath are the billionaires.
00:49:19.440 The Goliath is the Israel lobby.
00:49:22.060 It's not a lot of people, but they do have a lot of power.
00:49:25.080 They have the ability to get you canceled, fired, to get you debanked, as did to Kanye.
00:49:30.780 They had the ability to get me banned from a country.
00:49:34.060 I've never committed a crime.
00:49:35.320 I'm banned from Australia.
00:49:36.480 It's the wildest thing ever.
00:49:37.540 I was going to do a tour.
00:49:38.660 I'm going to make him a sandwich book and talk about motherhood. But I said genocide is always
00:49:43.520 wrong. And they took those statements and they lobbied and I can't go into Australia.
00:49:48.560 OK, so look, at the end of the day, I like this maximum pressure campaign. And I believe that
00:49:55.680 Ed Sheeran is like this is not a traditional role for him. Again, he's he's never pretended to be
00:50:01.820 some sort of a superhero, but he doesn't really get to use that as an excuse anymore. And if Ed
00:50:07.220 Sheeran decides to go through. I think there's only three tour stops left. If he decides to go
00:50:12.680 through with those tour stops, then I'm calling upon the people that would be attending this
00:50:16.600 concert to pull out. Literally, don't go to this concert. It's such a small act that you can do,
00:50:23.180 and it's not about Ed Sheeran. Like I said, I like him as an artist. I think you should go see him
00:50:26.900 on a different day. Go see him somewhere else. For the rest of this tour, if you're listening
00:50:30.640 to this podcast, I want to use my platform to say, don't go to these last three concerts,
00:50:34.100 OK, we have to restore power to good people. What is happening at the top of government? What is happening as we've discussed and unpacked this Charlie Kirk case? I mean, these are truly sadistic and evil people who think they have enough money to force us to stay quiet. There is more of us than them.
00:50:55.000 I have said this over and over again to you guys, that Charlie would ask me that question, Candice, hey, what's the one thing that every slave colony throughout human history had in common?
00:51:08.600 Every slave plantation, every slave civilization had in common.
00:51:14.480 And I said, what?
00:51:15.380 And Charlie said, well, there's more, there were more slaves than there were masters.
00:51:19.360 we haven't yet clicked to that that actually no we have the power and this is why i went through
00:51:25.920 great pain to explain to you guys why i loved kanye west what that messaging meant to me
00:51:31.200 the willingness to be canceled and to stand up for something and to have the power to let power go
00:51:38.640 i believe charlie kirk had that power and it cost him his life at the end um kanye clearly had that
00:51:44.900 power. He's now literally on top of a world doing a tour and still getting turned down by stadiums,
00:51:49.340 but then just going to the ones that open their doors. Let power realign, okay? It'll be okay,
00:51:55.020 Ed Sheeran, if they shut you down and you can't play their stadiums. You'll probably get sued.
00:51:59.000 This is Justin Bieber's story too. Why do you think Justin Bieber is finally free and happy
00:52:03.960 and he doesn't even care after he got sued for canceling the rest of his tour? Cancel the rest
00:52:08.320 of your tour, Ed Sheeran. Do something brave. Cancel the rest of your tour and stand in solidarity
00:52:13.000 with the people, not the power. Okay. Not the corrupt power apparatus, not with the Robert
00:52:18.140 Crafts of the world. Okay. Not with the people who can try to force you to accept a genocide.
00:52:25.460 We just need a better cast of characters on the stage right now. And in Hollywood,
00:52:31.460 there's been way too much silence on this issue. Who cares if it costs you a couple of million
00:52:36.560 dollars if you get sued? Like I said, Bieber lived through it. And what is he doing now?
00:52:40.420 he has reminded himself that the talent was always with him. He's now playing at Coachella,
00:52:46.380 making money, just him with his old videos on YouTube, before he got locked up in all of these
00:52:52.720 contracts that were not sensible. He burned it all figuratively to the ground, and now he's back
00:52:57.520 to just being the Biebs, okay? Same lesson I learned. Yeah, was it hard to walk away from it?
00:53:03.440 Was it hard when you're sitting in a room and they're gaslighting you and they're saying,
00:53:06.100 don't you see how tweeting genocide is always wrong is hurtful to ben shapiro candace don't
00:53:11.560 you see no i actually don't see the statement stands genocide is always wrong no matter who
00:53:17.900 is advocating for it so i'm calling upon ed sheeran to cancel his last shows for whatever
00:53:25.100 it's worth like i said i like you i will support you as an artist and i do not think that you are
00:53:30.620 a bad person at all i think you're in a bad situation and you're not used to being brave
00:53:34.260 if you're not used to being the one that speaks out,
00:53:35.920 you register to me as the person
00:53:37.540 who probably flushed red in the back of a classroom
00:53:39.560 when the teacher called on you.
00:53:40.740 I get that.
00:53:41.300 It's not your personality archetype,
00:53:43.340 but you have the ability to do something good.
00:53:46.040 And if he can't do that,
00:53:47.340 then the rest of us,
00:53:48.200 the people who are going to those last three show stops
00:53:51.800 should cancel their tickets.
00:53:54.960 More power to the people.
00:53:56.060 We'll be right back after a break.
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00:55:57.780 All right, top comments from yesterday
00:55:59.460 Yesterday's episode, someone wrote, didn't Erica immediately forgive that young man without anyone even confessing, let alone repenting?
00:56:06.220 Yeah, different message coming from Alex Clark now, or I guess whoever she's sitting down with, who is saying, no, someone must repent first and then you can forgive them.
00:56:14.520 This next user writes, Tyler only limps in the video that we revealed yesterday.
00:56:19.500 As he gets closer to where he's been told there is a camera, I noticed that as well.
00:56:24.300 It's like when he thinks he's too far off, he's not limping.
00:56:26.240 And then as he gets closer, the limp starts.
00:56:27.900 A lot of questions surrounding that footage.
00:56:30.200 Again, I just share it so that we have more information.
00:56:33.280 I don't know why that upsets Turning Point USA so much.
00:56:35.920 If you're really trying to just get to the truth,
00:56:38.300 why would more information released to the public upset you?
00:56:41.280 Comments in today's episode,
00:56:42.520 actually this one was from yesterday,
00:56:43.560 but I forgot to read it.
00:56:45.140 This is from Jenna.
00:56:46.500 She writes,
00:56:46.860 great interview on Stephen A. Smith's podcast.
00:56:48.960 I'm praying for you and your family
00:56:50.060 as you bring truth to the world.
00:56:51.420 Congrats on baby number five,
00:56:52.700 the exaltation of the Holy Cross today.
00:56:54.600 May his passion bring you peace.
00:56:56.660 Thank you so much.
00:56:57.900 I got a lot of your comments about the Stephen A. Smith podcast.
00:57:00.540 I mean, I just say what I think everywhere.
00:57:02.580 And I do feel sort of the power shifting where I feel stronger, but I also think we as a
00:57:09.500 society are stronger.
00:57:10.540 And I'm seeing that in the bravery of people that are now speaking out and giving me information.
00:57:14.220 Like people were sort of fearful in the beginning about being a source or providing information.
00:57:18.940 And it does seem that iron sharpens iron proverbially, and then just bravery inspires
00:57:25.960 other people to be brave.
00:57:27.900 Ali writes, Erica gets to go on a media tour with Fox, Barry Weiss, and Glenn Beck to paint you as a liar and a crazy person before you even said a bad word about her, but you can't share a meme or two.
00:57:37.120 It's not like she was minding her business at home grieving when you went after her.
00:57:40.360 It's exactly right.
00:57:41.080 The entire tour was about debunking Candace.
00:57:43.240 She had first sent out the troops, the Alex Clark types, because she likes to keep her hands clean.
00:57:48.660 But when she then did that little media tour, she was directly responding to things that I had said on the podcast.
00:57:53.480 And again, these were not things that I said about her.
00:57:56.500 I abstained entirely.
00:57:57.660 you are correct the internet does not forget and um yeah i uh i i don't trust erica and i don't i
00:58:05.100 don't like her as a human i i don't think that she loved charlie i don't i refuse to believe that
00:58:11.260 um because no person who loved someone would allow everything that he was fighting in the end
00:58:19.800 to then be protected uh to be platformed or his wife that that is the ultimate betrayal
00:58:26.820 Seven Sheets writes,
00:58:27.740 you are a beautiful, strong voice
00:58:29.000 for truth and authenticity.
00:58:30.340 Not sure where else I could go for such eloquence.
00:58:32.360 I will always support the brave.
00:58:33.980 Saying genocide is never okay.
00:58:35.540 That is controversial.
00:58:36.680 Or willian, love, prayers, and faith.
00:58:38.620 Yes, it was exceedingly controversial.
00:58:41.320 I still have to laugh at being brought into an office
00:58:43.220 and like questioned about that statement
00:58:45.260 and then just totally told that,
00:58:48.440 no, that's not what you meant.
00:58:50.560 What do you mean it's not what I meant?
00:58:51.280 That's what I tweeted.
00:58:52.160 No, you can't, you're talking about Israel.
00:58:55.300 How can you not see it's anti-Semitic
00:58:56.840 and how it impacts Ben's life?
00:58:58.600 Like, what?
00:59:00.000 So crazy to reflect upon.
00:59:02.580 Tony Hill writes,
00:59:03.160 Hi, Candice.
00:59:03.620 I watched Pierce and saw John Mappin as a guest.
00:59:06.140 He did well defending you
00:59:07.440 while also not giving too much
00:59:08.860 considering he had three people
00:59:10.140 constantly talking over him.
00:59:11.360 It's nice to see real friends having your back.
00:59:13.420 We love and support you always.
00:59:14.760 Yes, I did see and hear
00:59:16.640 that that was trending over the weekend.
00:59:18.180 That interview with John Mappin and Brandon Tatum,
00:59:20.680 I sort of took a vow of silence this weekend
00:59:22.960 because I just kind of wanted
00:59:24.080 to sort of sit in the you know one year anniversary of charlie's death and for some reason i felt like
00:59:31.040 a lot of people were discussing me uh john mappin was with me when i uh spoke to brandon tatum
00:59:36.660 when i was in iceland just because of the time difference so i was literally fishing in iceland
00:59:41.500 with john mappin and my husband and me and brandon were trying to find a time to speak
00:59:45.800 and i the only time that i could find that could work with like his schedule and my schedule
00:59:51.720 was when I was like, hey guys, I got to go back to the car. I'm going to take a phone call. So
00:59:56.080 they were fishing on the river and I went back and had a conversation with Brandon,
01:00:00.980 which lasted about an hour and a half. And I understand that people don't understand the
01:00:06.240 relationship between me and Brandon. I can just try to put it to you very plainly. If I suspected
01:00:11.080 that Brandon did not actually believe what he was saying, that he was stating things and then
01:00:18.600 privately, he expressed the exact opposite of those things, I would be calling Brendan out.
01:00:24.500 Brendan is authentic in what he is saying he believes. He is authentic in his belief
01:00:29.000 about Erica. I have expressed to him my thoughts to the contrary. It was not a major theme of our
01:00:34.820 conversation. When we were in Iceland, we were talking about actually something else.
01:00:39.240 And on the satellite side, I don't expect or demand that my friends agree with me on everything. I
01:00:44.080 just don't. It's not who I am. I expect my friends to hear me out. I expect my friends to, you know,
01:00:50.980 at least hear my perspective. And Brandon granted all those things. And so, you know, we just
01:00:56.580 disagree. We disagree on Turning Point USA. We disagree on Erica. But we do have a lot of history.
01:01:01.440 And my family adores him. And like I said, way back when me and Charlie were coming up, when you
01:01:06.580 have those bonds that are forged, it was similar with Brandon. And so I was closer to Brandon than
01:01:12.860 Charlie was and I was closer to Charlie than Brandon was to Charlie. So yeah, that's that.
01:01:18.500 I'm an extremely loyal person. I obviously see your comments and I see your frustrations. But
01:01:23.420 if I have a frustration with Brandon, I'm going to go directly to him. So you learn to respect it
01:01:28.440 about me. Like I am just a direct person and I don't like things playing out publicly. I just
01:01:33.800 don't think it's necessary. Brooke writes, talking about Charlie Kirk and the impact that you're
01:01:38.660 making as a free thinker really moves me. Kanye knows it and I know his truth. What you're doing
01:01:43.200 matters. Free thinking never stopped. Charlie is proud. Love from Houston. Thank you, Brooke.
01:01:48.580 Angelina writes, I just finished watching your anniversary video to Charlie. I think
01:01:51.740 I filled a pool by accident. There wasn't a second that a tear was not falling from my face.
01:01:56.680 God bless you, Candace. Thank you. I'm just so happy that you guys can see who Charlie was because
01:02:01.460 he was so great and so funny and just so fun. I loved spending time with him. I loved traveling.
01:02:05.840 We loved the road trips. They were the best. I mean, you just do so much. When you travel with someone, you just really get to know them. That's the only way that you can say it. And it was a fun time that I looked back on fondly. And I miss our ignorance. I wish thinking the world was simpler than it is. I wish thinking that we could solve it through politics.
01:02:26.620 And, you know, the betrayal that he has suffered, it weighs heavily on me.
01:02:30.680 And it's why we fight daily and we keep him, his name and this story focused so that it's not something that we just skip over.
01:02:37.840 It will not be another JFK.
01:02:40.520 Cindy writes, coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous.
01:02:43.380 You are uncovering things that others miss or don't want to admit.
01:02:47.460 So go, Max, indeed.
01:02:50.900 And Zamet writes, Candace, Charlie Kirk would have wanted the world to know the significance of your return.
01:02:56.620 to his TPUSA. I'm not sure if you mean like in that last few days when he was telling people
01:03:03.120 that he was going to bring me back, but he had made up his mind and he was turning against Israel.
01:03:06.940 It's just a fact. It's just a fact. They can't undo that fact. It drives them crazy.
01:03:10.660 He saw what it was. He looked at the beast and he said no to it. And that's that. Lastly,
01:03:16.580 Jocelyn writes that you should totally consider dubbing your videos in Spanish. We have a Spanish
01:03:21.060 channel, Jocelyn. You're just not on the right channel. You can head on over to our Spanish,
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01:03:47.600 are very proud of that there is no nucleus to hit when we are all in this um and yeah by the way if
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01:03:57.920 hospital insights and things for you. A very interesting story to tell you guys tomorrow.
01:04:02.840 Barron reminded me, he's like, are you going to cover this story? And I was like, you are so right.
01:04:05.940 This is very weird. It's about a meeting that Erica took shortly before Charlie's passing,
01:04:11.460 which should be brought. You know, I just say sunlight is the best disinfectant.
01:04:18.380 Also reminding you guys, we have Book Club on Friday, Bearing False Witness by Rodney Stark
01:04:22.820 is the book that we have started.
01:04:24.580 So if you'd like to join the book club,
01:04:25.860 now is a great time to do so.
01:04:28.840 Very relevant as we are talking about
01:04:30.640 a lot of the trappings of faux Christianity,
01:04:33.580 certainly, which is taking place today.
01:04:35.260 I don't think anybody watches Alex Clark and goes,
01:04:37.600 hmm, it's a well-rounded Christian girl
01:04:39.620 who's definitely telling me the truth
01:04:42.720 about what I should be following,
01:04:44.380 what I should be pursuing.
01:04:45.540 How wild to say it's a form of Gnosticism
01:04:47.700 to not believe the CIA like it's led into the FBI.
01:04:51.560 no you shouldn't seek hidden knowledge
01:04:54.040 you shouldn't seek the Epstein files
01:04:56.160 that's hidden knowledge
01:04:57.240 that's the form of Gnosticism
01:04:59.400 these people are crazy
01:05:02.120 Turning Point is ghetto
01:05:03.020 TPUSA is ghetto now
01:05:05.600 I don't want to tell you guys
01:05:06.380 it's just a fact
01:05:07.240 I'll see you guys tomorrow
01:05:21.560 You