Candace Owens - September 17, 2026


BIG NEWS! Erika To File A Wrongful Death Lawsuit. For Charlie Or For PR？ ｜ Ep 388

A Tale Of Two Statements： Mikey McCoy’s Interview. Macklemore’s Mic Drop. ｜ Ep 387

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Hosts:
Candace Owens
Also mentioned:
Charlie Kirk Erica Kirk Tyler Robinson Sean Ryan Dan Flood Baron Coleman Tucker Carlson Pope Leo Austin Turning Point USA Astrid Tuminez Richard Bracey Brian Friedman Donald Trump Cozy Earth Bagley Brian Harpole Anna Kasparian Zach Costello Jersey Long and 29 more

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00:00:00.000 All right, you guys, happy Wednesday. Some news today, some big news today, actually.
00:00:06.620 Turning Point USA just makes me sick. And I have to be honest with you guys, I just know so much
00:00:11.020 of what goes on behind the scenes. When I wake up on a day like today and I see them running
00:00:16.360 another PR game, trying to delude the public into thinking that they want justice for Charlie,
00:00:21.920 it just makes me sick. And that's what they're doing today. In case you missed it,
00:00:25.800 there is basically wall-to-wall coverage regarding a pending wrongful death lawsuit
00:00:30.980 that the Kirk family intends to file against the state of Utah, among others.
00:00:36.260 And they have their typical orbit of influencers attempting to quickly spin this
00:00:40.620 into a narrative that there's an aggrieved widow
00:00:44.420 and her endless fight to find justice for her Charlie.
00:00:49.380 You know how it goes.
00:00:51.180 But your common sense should tell you that something isn't right.
00:00:55.780 Why now?
00:00:56.860 Why a notice to file a lawsuit a year on?
00:01:00.560 And you're going to be extremely offended when I take you through the absurdity of the filing itself,
00:01:05.600 which reads like more narcissistic abuse coming from the Turning Point USA clown show.
00:01:11.260 So let's jump into this.
00:01:12.300 Welcome back to Candace.
00:01:25.080 Gotta tell you right at the top here, I am amazed.
00:01:30.520 I am always just amazed of the increasing shamelessness, the never-ending grift, the desperation to try to sell to the public that Erica really cares about justice.
00:01:41.280 When in reality, thus far, what she has demonstrated is that she cares deeply about raising money and deeply about her PR, right?
00:01:49.660 She's willing to partner with just about anyone, no matter how gutter trash they are, in the pursuit of both.
00:01:57.240 So this morning I wake up and I see a trend on X that Charlie Kirk's family has filed a notice of claim against the state of Utah,
00:02:05.400 also Utah Valley University Police Department, and more specifically, UVU Police Chief Jeffrey Long,
00:02:11.660 and former president of UVU, Astrid Tuminez,
00:02:15.540 and others that are presently, quote-unquote, presently unknown,
00:02:20.340 who were involved in the death of Charlie Kirk.
00:02:23.760 I don't know how they would be presently unknown, but okay, stick with me.
00:02:28.000 So to first explain to you why they would file a notice of a claim
00:02:32.140 rather than just filing a claim itself,
00:02:33.880 that's really just because of the law on the books.
00:02:36.420 It's a mandatory prerequisite for this kind of a lawsuit
00:02:39.340 that you first have to assert your intent to sue the government
00:02:43.540 so that the government has a chance to simply concede
00:02:46.920 and maybe settle it in the background,
00:02:49.020 thus not wasting any unnecessary state resources
00:02:51.540 with a prolonged legal process.
00:02:54.640 They might just concede and say, here's a check, let's settle.
00:02:57.360 We don't need to do this in the courtroom, okay?
00:02:59.960 But you're also, like I said at the top, probably wondering, why now?
00:03:04.720 It's been over a year.
00:03:06.340 I'm wondering too.
00:03:07.680 Because foremost, I have known since approximately last December that actually it was Charlie Kirk's parents who were encouraging Erica to file a wrongful death lawsuit against the state of Utah.
00:03:21.260 And at that time, I was told that it was not something that Erica herself was keen to do.
00:03:26.600 Now, I did not report on it because I tend to stay away from reporting on anything involving Charlie Kirk's parents because they're not public figures.
00:03:35.820 They never have aspired to be public figures. They did not usurp Charlie's very public position as the CEO and chairman of an organization that pulled in a quarter billion last year and therefore opened themselves up to fair criticism.
00:03:51.500 But now that fact is extremely relevant to present to the public that this was Charlie Kirk's parents who wanted Erica to do this.
00:03:57.920 And I'm wondering, why did Erica decide now to file that intent to sue?
00:04:02.140 And why does it look rushed?
00:04:03.980 Why didn't she express a desire to do something like that more immediately if it's been this
00:04:08.860 much time that it's been discussed?
00:04:10.520 And it certainly has been discussed for a long time.
00:04:13.900 Now, we can only surmise, of course.
00:04:15.760 But curiously, I was also informed this week that what is due to be released imminently
00:04:21.980 to the public, is the long-awaited independent review regarding the security failures at UVU,
00:04:30.040 which may have contributed to Charlie's death. Now, it was UVU themselves who commissioned
00:04:36.620 this independent review back in September of last year. I want you to check out this article,
00:04:42.120 jogging your memory here. It was published in the Associated Press on September 22nd, 2025,
00:04:48.640 Right. So this is 12 days after Charlie lost his life.
00:04:53.040 And it tells us in this article, Utah Valley University is launching an independent external review of the fatal shooting of prominent conservative activist Charlie Kirk on its campus earlier this month.
00:05:04.920 The university announced the move Monday in an effort to improve safety practices amid fallout over security lapses and the shattering of the serene image that the institution had cultivated.
00:05:15.640 Quote, we believe the findings of the comprehensive third party independent review of this targeted act of violence will offer valuable insights on how college campuses improve response and preparedness moving forward.
00:05:29.080 This is that was a quote from Astrid Munez, the school's president, said in an emailed statement, quote, we will integrate the findings into our efforts to strengthen and improve safety practices for UVU and all of Utah higher education, end quote.
00:05:43.860 Okay, so just 12 days after Charlie is hit, the university sought to examine all of those failures that were, by the way, immediately, and some failures which were eventually noted by the larger public.
00:05:59.760 At long last, that report is due to be released.
00:06:04.320 I was told that its findings were going to be released on Friday.
00:06:07.960 I don't know if that's now going to be bumped.
00:06:10.540 And that the findings were actually going to be devastating to Turning Point USA, to their security apparatus, because obviously they would have been gathering communications.
00:06:21.580 Why didn't this happen? Why didn't that happen?
00:06:24.420 So when I just look at that, that I had this information that I was expecting this filing
00:06:29.140 on Friday, or I guess this independent review to be released on Friday, and suddenly we're
00:06:34.360 hit on Wednesday with an intent to sue that is sloppy, okay?
00:06:40.100 That feels a little too on the nose.
00:06:42.640 It's remarkably timely to say the least.
00:06:44.960 Two days before the review gets released, suddenly Turning Point USA is drumming up
00:06:49.840 noise and influencers are blaming the campus for the security failures. Classic preemptive
00:06:56.660 PR strike, in my view. What is perhaps even more shocking is actually how lackluster the
00:07:03.520 filing itself is. Again, it feels very rushed, especially when you've had a full year to file
00:07:08.020 this, right? A full year to pull this together and make it look, I don't know, like you might
00:07:13.220 have some reasonable claims. Now, remember, Charlie had a total of 12 security members that
00:07:20.280 he brought with him. 12 security members. That's massive for a college event. I've never seen this
00:07:25.580 in the history of me doing college campuses with Charlie, that 12 security people would have been
00:07:31.040 brought with him for a campus of this size, okay? And these are not police officers. These are
00:07:37.000 highly trained military, former Navy SEALs, former Marines, Army snipers, SWAT commanders
00:07:43.780 who worked for the highest levels of government. Actually, I'm going to show you this clip because
00:07:49.140 when Ryan Harpole sat down with Sean Ryan, Sean Ryan went over the remarkable expertise of this
00:07:55.980 security team. Take a listen. We have some statements from your guys here, and I don't
00:08:01.320 know if you want me to read any names, but I will. They said they're fine with the song,
00:08:05.500 it's just first names yeah i mean here's just
00:08:09.100 you know blake combat proven marine
00:08:14.180 here's more talent than everyone else i mean you have seals world-renowned jiu-jitsu people
00:08:24.980 22 years on slot professional athletes with tactical careers i mean 22 years is a navy seal
00:08:33.340 Marine and 30-year cop and SWAT commander.
00:08:37.500 I mean, these guys know what the f**k they're doing
00:08:41.240 and they're no stranger to dangerous work.
00:08:49.280 So Brian is submitting that to Sean Ryan
00:08:51.720 to tell the world just how overqualified his team was
00:08:56.220 going to this campus event, right?
00:08:59.300 Look at their background.
00:09:00.180 Look at their qualifications.
00:09:01.240 20-year Marine.
00:09:03.560 What are you talking about?
00:09:04.380 This is nothing to these people.
00:09:06.120 And I want you guys to know something.
00:09:07.140 This level of security is extremely expensive,
00:09:11.520 extremely expensive.
00:09:13.220 You contract that level of security because, well,
00:09:18.020 you are recognizing that the publicly available
00:09:20.800 security apparatus is going to be inefficient, right?
00:09:24.400 They're brought in to assess
00:09:25.800 and to eradicate any threats in advance.
00:09:28.660 In essence, you're bringing in these experts
00:09:31.040 that are assumed to be above the pay grade
00:09:33.780 and expertise of a college campus cop.
00:09:37.000 And to be clear, I'm not guessing here.
00:09:39.780 I worked for Turning Point USA.
00:09:41.740 On every tour that I went on thereafter,
00:09:44.620 I brought in my own security team to each and every event.
00:09:48.480 I know how this works.
00:09:49.380 I'm not going, hmm, throwing some darts.
00:09:51.460 I'm not just throwing spaghetti at the wall here.
00:09:53.540 I'm telling you how this works.
00:09:55.760 Your security, if you're going to bring,
00:09:57.320 I would never have 13 members,
00:09:58.740 but your security would be liaising with the local police force
00:10:03.880 and telling them what you want and what you need.
00:10:07.140 So you might say, as I did at a recent event, we want bomb dogs, okay?
00:10:13.020 You might say, as they talked about in this interview, we want drones.
00:10:17.460 We're going to need a guy up on the rooftop.
00:10:19.900 We've assessed situation where we want guys up there.
00:10:22.180 And then the local police will then come back at you with potential limitations.
00:10:26.320 They may say, we're not able to meet some of your requests or some of your demands because of this, because of that, which means that you then either need to go source that independently.
00:10:37.600 You got to go source your own bomb dogs, source your own drones, or you're going to say we're not going to do this event because it's not secure enough.
00:10:46.740 That's why we're bringing you in, experts, to say we can't make this secure.
00:10:51.200 We're prevented from making it secure, so we advise you not do this.
00:10:54.620 especially if you send a message the night before saying,
00:10:58.560 I think I'm going to be killed.
00:11:00.500 You pull the event.
00:11:01.840 You pull the event if you say that we cannot secure the premises.
00:11:06.720 I'd also like to stress that you send your highly trained
00:11:11.320 and expensive security team, 20-year Marines,
00:11:15.320 days in advance of the event, minimally.
00:11:17.920 Minimally, you would send them days ahead to make preparations, right?
00:11:23.100 They're not going to come in blind and never have seen this campus, okay?
00:11:27.940 If Donald Trump, as an example, decides that he wants to speak at UVU, that doesn't suddenly
00:11:32.960 mean that UVU has the means to provide everything that someone at that level is going to need.
00:11:38.180 That's what his Secret Service detail is for, right?
00:11:41.000 They're going to liaise.
00:11:41.700 They're going to get their head.
00:11:42.480 They're going to make assessments.
00:11:43.620 They're going to make sure that the perimeter is secured.
00:11:46.700 That is the entire point of having an outside security apparatus.
00:11:51.120 Just laying the groundwork there.
00:11:52.920 Let's now go through some of the highlights.
00:11:55.420 And by highlights, I mean lowlights of this filing.
00:11:58.380 It's a short one.
00:11:59.220 It's eight pages.
00:12:00.020 It's just meant to be a notice, like I said.
00:12:02.280 And we're going to skip through the preamble where they tell us who Charlie Kirk was because
00:12:06.040 we already know who Charlie Kirk was.
00:12:07.400 And we're instead going to begin with subsection B on with section B on page three, which is
00:12:13.300 entitled UVU Charlie Kirk event.
00:12:15.980 OK, so.
00:12:17.400 they tell us that in 2025, Turning Point USA planned its largest ever campus tour.
00:12:26.880 Immediately caught my eye, just that opening right there, because they're careful not to give a
00:12:31.440 precise date. Now, you may remember that there was a young woman who back in September and October
00:12:39.520 and November of last year was making noise, telling the public that this event came together
00:12:45.500 too quickly. Someone who has toured and gave you examples that normally five months in advance,
00:12:51.660 they begin planning. And that's for a lot of reasons. I worked as a speaker of this organization.
00:12:57.960 I've never seen an event planned like this. This one came together in a couple of weeks.
00:13:02.240 I said the fact that they even got approval for this event is crazy. And usually there's a long
00:13:07.860 waiting list of all the universities who want to host Charlie, want to host Candace, want to host
00:13:12.140 for the campus tour, they make that request the semester ahead. And then we assess and look through
00:13:18.340 and see how many of these that we can hit. Remarkably, this one came together in weeks.
00:13:23.900 And I said, this is weird. This is wrong. This is not how it works because usually the administration
00:13:28.800 gives Turning Point USA a hard time. There's so many things they're going to say you need.
00:13:34.080 Insurances, ambulances, this, that, blah, blah, blah, blah. So they need that long runway to prep
00:13:39.840 for these events, but this one granted immediately. We don't know who filed for it. And suddenly in a
00:13:45.640 couple of weeks, they're going to be promoting this. Okay. Now, despite this, they assert that
00:13:51.400 they pulled together this event, but they want to let you know, and this feels again, rather
00:13:55.380 narcissistic because the whole reason that Charlie started Turning Point USA was because there were
00:14:00.340 not conservative ideas expressed on college campuses. And they knew that there was never a
00:14:04.920 warm welcome. There's never a warm welcome. You go to these events to share ideas that you don't
00:14:09.680 typically find on liberal campuses. Yet they write here, through advocacy by the local chapter of
00:14:18.280 Turning Point USA on UVU's campus, Utah Valley University had the distinct honor of being the
00:14:25.120 first stop on the fall tour. And that honor came against a well-known backdrop of risk.
00:14:32.840 we pulled together this event, we picked you, and you were given a distinct honor that we
00:14:40.540 picked you. That's just, that's a lot of hubris coming from this filing, okay? Now, then it comes
00:14:47.060 and they tell us what all these risks are. They're like, well, didn't you know that President Trump,
00:14:50.940 there was a rooftop sniper? You should have known and assessed that we were coming and that this
00:14:55.720 could be a possibility. Don't you know that Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi's husband was brutally
00:15:00.660 attacked in their California home. Once we announced and awarded you this distinct honor
00:15:06.920 to host me, us, you should have immediately gone, oh, my, this is this are Nancy Pelosi's
00:15:14.820 husband was in his trunks and somebody came into the house. OK. OK. Page four is where they begin
00:15:23.480 spelling out the negligence that they are claiming took place here. And we're going to go through
00:15:29.240 this point by point, because I'm amazed by it, okay? So point one is they say that UVU police
00:15:38.380 did not conduct a meaningful risk assessment, and UVU parties did not have a security briefing
00:15:45.140 where the risks associated with unsecured rooftops, which we're going to talk about more later,
00:15:51.340 which had been identified and communicated to Chief Long, could be communicated to other
00:15:55.800 officers. Oh, here's my question. You know, some of that expertise you were paying for?
00:16:01.880 Did Charlie's team request this security brief? Are they, is UVU required by law to have a written
00:16:07.900 security plan submitted? Okay. If so, why didn't Charlie's extensive security team note that it
00:16:15.080 had not been submitted? What is he paying you for? Clause two, and I think that this is among
00:16:22.520 the craziest clause of all.
00:16:23.740 They're all crazy, but the clause two is pretty crazy.
00:16:26.600 They then moved to blame UVU for granting their request, okay?
00:16:32.660 And to be clear, it was not a request, it was a demand.
00:16:34.620 It was a demand, I am told, that was made on August 25th, 2025, for Charlie to be in
00:16:42.000 this amphitheater, okay?
00:16:43.920 On August 25th, 2025, I'm telling you this, this is not in the filing, they had a Microsoft
00:16:49.320 Teams meeting.
00:16:50.680 This was an events committee meeting on Turning Point's side.
00:16:54.800 It was led by Macy Crofts, their employee.
00:16:57.680 And on that call, I am told Macy Crofts insisted that the event take place in the amphitheater.
00:17:05.260 So you have UVU on the call and they say, no, you shouldn't do it in the amphitheater
00:17:10.700 because there's no traffic control.
00:17:12.520 Another point that I said to you was very strange.
00:17:14.980 Why would you bother having tickets sold if there's no traffic control?
00:17:20.320 That means you don't have to have a ticket.
00:17:21.580 You can just walk up and sit down.
00:17:23.080 And they made it clear
00:17:23.860 that they could not shut down the amphitheater, okay?
00:17:27.360 That was not something the university could do.
00:17:29.660 Macy insisted that they wanted the amphitheater.
00:17:33.100 They didn't care about that
00:17:33.880 because Charlie had recently done an event in Tennessee,
00:17:36.760 and he did, by the way, that's fact,
00:17:38.540 in March of 2025, where he loved the amphitheater
00:17:42.760 and now he just wanted the amphitheater so bad.
00:17:45.360 So yes, yes, yes.
00:17:46.280 Well, they say, shouldn't we do it inside?
00:17:47.440 No, no, no, no, no.
00:17:48.340 Charlie loves the amphitheater. It must be in the amphitheater. So Turning Point USA made that
00:17:54.320 demand and the university acquiesced to that demand. Is it okay? You know, it's your show.
00:18:03.840 And now Turning Point USA is saying, we are going to sue you for not telling us no.
00:18:11.840 They're not even arguing the point. They're not arguing anything. They're not suggesting they
00:18:16.160 didn't request it they're saying you gave us what we wanted and that my friend is your fault
00:18:22.540 this just feels like narcissistic abuse i don't know that's how i feel
00:18:26.480 um now i made it clear that so they went into this knowing that there would be no traffic control
00:18:33.580 uh like i said i don't even know why you would even have a ticketed event at that point if
00:18:37.940 anyone can just freely walk up and if they're going to insist upon that and then later copped
00:18:44.340 the fact that Charlie notified his security team the night before that he was worried that he was
00:18:48.820 going to be killed. Why didn't they cancel this event? Also, why didn't Charlie's security,
00:18:56.200 as another matter of fact, even if you said he really wants to be outside, why didn't they show
00:19:00.760 up before 9 a.m. the morning of September 10th? Because that's when they showed up. That's when
00:19:06.180 they first hit the ground, was at 9 a.m. the morning of the event, a couple of hours before
00:19:12.040 Charlie arrived. Leading up to that moment, the police were mostly in communication with the TPUSA
00:19:19.200 club. OK, a little bit of back forth texting, which we're going to get to. But the TPUSA club
00:19:24.160 is managing everything until 9 a.m. that morning. All of that just feels very wrong to me.
00:19:28.460 And yet they're going to say that it's the university's fault. OK, moving on to paragraph
00:19:37.100 three, which is on page five. This is when they are going to complain that they were only provided
00:19:47.300 with 25 percent of UVU's police force. OK, so you can see it says assigning only six campus
00:19:54.500 police officers to an outdoor event with thousands of attendees despite requests for additional
00:19:59.960 officers. And they say that the UVU parties assigned only six police officers to the outdoor
00:20:05.920 tour event that ultimately attracted approximately 3,000 attendees. On information and belief,
00:20:13.140 Chief Jeff Long requested approval from then-UVU President Astrid Tuminez to allocate more than
00:20:20.140 six officers, which represented only 25% of the UVU police force, but this request was denied.
00:20:26.240 Now, I don't like to be out here doing math, okay? I don't like to, it's not my thing,
00:20:31.740 it's not my go-to, but I did some. And I think that when you do the math on this, what Astrid
00:20:38.640 Tuminez did was the right thing to deny the request, okay? Because if they were given
00:20:45.680 on a purely mathematical basis, they were oversupplied with police officers. Let me
00:20:51.340 walk you through that. They say there are 3,000 attendees at this event. The campus itself, UVU,
00:20:57.720 has a total of 50,000 students, okay?
00:21:02.300 And a grand total of just 24 UVU police officers
00:21:06.860 that are available to cover those 50,000 students, okay?
00:21:12.420 The job of the UVU police force
00:21:14.560 is to make sure the campus is covered,
00:21:17.200 to make sure the students are safe.
00:21:19.880 They do not suddenly become employees of Turning Point USA
00:21:22.360 because they're doing what relative
00:21:24.460 to the entire university is a minor event,
00:21:26.680 3,000 versus 50,000 students
00:21:30.160 that occupy this campus every day.
00:21:32.560 This is in the middle of the day.
00:21:33.500 This is not a nighttime event where it's like,
00:21:35.040 oh, well, all we've got is this event that's going on.
00:21:37.200 This is the middle of the day while classes are happening.
00:21:41.960 So worked out as an equation,
00:21:44.620 six police officers would have covered 12,500 students
00:21:50.000 based on their availability, okay,
00:21:51.960 of their full police force, 12,500 students.
00:21:54.280 They oversupplied.
00:21:56.680 They have the capacity, essentially, for one police officer to cover a little over 2,000 students.
00:22:02.860 So Charlie's event was oversupplied within their capabilities on a purely mathematical basis.
00:22:07.920 That would be why Astrid denied their request for more, because it would have put the additional 47,000 other students at risk.
00:22:16.720 If something happened to them and there were no police in sight because everyone was being given to the Charlie Kirk event, the university could have been sued.
00:22:24.520 That's the reality.
00:22:25.440 You have to make that decision as a president.
00:22:27.300 You go, okay, I understand you guys think
00:22:30.000 you're a very big deal.
00:22:31.420 You brought in your own security.
00:22:33.000 We told you what we had.
00:22:34.540 We have other students here
00:22:35.920 who are not attending this event.
00:22:37.020 The overwhelming majority of this college campus
00:22:39.420 is not attending your event.
00:22:43.020 And by the way, based on the crowd that we saw,
00:22:45.240 those weren't even students that were at the event.
00:22:46.740 There were so many adults.
00:22:47.780 Something else I point out,
00:22:48.580 why are there so many adults at this event?
00:22:50.500 It was absolutely bizarre to me.
00:22:53.400 Now, I also want to draw your attention
00:22:55.200 to the end of point three where they discussed that there were no first responders made available
00:23:00.620 because that's just not true. Okay. There were actually first responders that were made available.
00:23:05.960 They followed Charlie to the car and then did not get into the car for some reason. Certainly did
00:23:11.680 not seem like security was trying to have him treated by these first responders. And who were
00:23:18.440 they? They were UVU's state certified emergency medical services. They were right beside the car
00:23:24.420 with medical bags in hand and Charlie's team chose to get into the vehicle and to move on
00:23:30.700 rather than to have him treated and stabilized right there or to find a place that they felt
00:23:35.540 was safe to have him stabilized. That whether or not that was a good decision by the security
00:23:40.520 is something that's up for debate. But what is not up for debate is that first responders were
00:23:45.820 actually on the scene. The filing is correct, though, in that bottom part when it says
00:23:51.280 that Mr. Kirk was transported to Timpanogos Regional Hospital in a private vehicle,
00:23:57.340 not an ambulance. Okay. Yeah, there was no ambulance on standby. And I would like to know
00:24:03.720 why. I have been trying to figure out why. I am positively shocked by this because at every
00:24:09.480 single event that I have done with Turning Point USA, there was an ambulance on standby. We
00:24:13.860 typically walked past the ambulance in, you know, wherever the security pulled up, you would pass by
00:24:19.480 the ambulance because their security cars would be right next to the ambulance. And I also want
00:24:24.580 to tell you that TPUSA distributed the security protocols to speakers. So we were aware of what
00:24:30.800 the most local hospital was. The shortest distance hospital was located. Here's the address. Here's
00:24:37.000 the security protocols, ambulance on standby. They made us aware of that. Suddenly now they're saying,
00:24:42.280 well, UVU didn't do it. Like they're just totally rinsing their hands of something that I know
00:24:47.200 they've always done. Paragraph four, moving on to that, is more of you didn't tell us no, right?
00:24:54.700 You didn't tell us no, we did it, and now we're angry at you. You gave us what we asked for. So
00:24:59.340 let's take a look at that. Now they are citing, for instance, that the UVU parties could have
00:25:05.940 created and maintained a secure perimeter around the event by constructing physical barriers with
00:25:12.200 limited points of ingress and egress where the number of attendees could be controlled and where
00:25:17.380 security screenings could take place. That runs contrary to what Macy Crofts was told on the call,
00:25:23.860 the Microsoft Teams call, when they told you we cannot do traffic control if you do this in the
00:25:29.160 amphitheater. Allegedly. Allegedly. They were very clear on that. If you decide to do this outside,
00:25:35.940 there cannot be any traffic control. They also say, well, they could have placed restrictions
00:25:41.180 on the number of attendees.
00:25:43.300 Who controlled the tickets, guys?
00:25:46.120 Turning Point USA.
00:25:47.520 Turning Point USA are the ones that controlled the tickets.
00:25:50.740 So they're saying,
00:25:51.400 we sold a number of tickets that we wanted
00:25:54.400 and you let us do that.
00:25:57.680 Pull that back up because I just said
00:25:58.880 that last sentence is so great.
00:26:00.500 The UVU parties, not Turning Point USA,
00:26:03.080 had the power and authority to block us
00:26:05.540 from doing what we wanted to do.
00:26:11.180 This is all just so stunning to me.
00:26:13.580 Now let's move on to paragraph five.
00:26:15.520 Maybe actually this is the one that's the most egregious for two reasons, right?
00:26:19.260 So the context here, just so you know, is they are now addressing the text message exchange between Dan Flood and Chief Jeffrey Long of the UVU Police Force.
00:26:30.220 This is the same message that Brian Harpole misrepresented as his own on Sean Ryan when he's like, what am I supposed to do with that?
00:26:38.920 What do you mean, what are you supposed to do with that, Brian?
00:26:41.040 you never received this message or something you're supposed to do with anything because
00:26:44.420 you're not on this thread.
00:26:45.760 It's between Dan Flood and the chief of police.
00:26:49.220 OK, now in this filing, the lawyers are going to further misrepresent this text message
00:26:56.760 shockingly by omitting the most crucial part of the text message, which provides context
00:27:02.940 because they sort of want to pretend that this was a more general conversation about
00:27:08.120 rooftops, plural, they have to say rooftops, and not a very specific area that was above Charlie's
00:27:15.820 head. That is the proper context, okay? So I'm going to show you the original text message to
00:27:19.620 jog your memory so you can see how they just sort of edited out a sentence here. This is the original
00:27:24.740 text message from Dan Flood, and he says, hello, Chief Long, we received this message today from
00:27:30.720 the student group, and then he quotes it. Apparently, the student is saying to them,
00:27:35.360 there is student roof access pretty close to where CK will be set up at Utah Valley. The
00:27:42.800 Sorensen Student Center has a couple of staircases that go up to the walkways on the roof, okay?
00:27:49.940 Jeff Long comes back with, you want access to that roof, to the roof? And he says, I was told
00:27:54.760 students have access above us. That's crucial, right? I was told students have access above us.
00:28:00.840 if this is true, it would be nice to either have it controlled access or allow one of my guys to
00:28:08.400 be there as well, if possible. It's an either or. So please, we would like some traffic control
00:28:15.120 or we would like to have one of our guys up there if possible, to which he says, I got you covered.
00:28:20.720 Okay. So we broke a story back in November following Brian Harpole's appearance in Sean
00:28:25.020 Ryan that this message thread is specifically referring to, as it sounds, the walkway above
00:28:30.520 Charlie's head, okay? And the student access to that walkway, which the students would have been
00:28:37.060 able to just walk up the stairs. This is why that crucial line from the message, I was told students
00:28:42.060 have access above us, matters. I'm going to show you now a map so there's no confusion to what
00:28:46.920 they were talking about, okay? That's the staircase that leads up to that walkway, the roof access
00:28:53.480 right there, okay? You see, you obviously know where Charlie was sitting. They're now concerned
00:28:58.560 that students are going to be able to walk
00:29:00.040 from what is really the lower level of Sorensen
00:29:02.640 up that staircase and over Charlie's head.
00:29:07.160 That's the context that they're talking about
00:29:09.080 in this message.
00:29:09.820 They were worried about that
00:29:11.240 because people could throw things down if they wanted to.
00:29:14.360 You could have an incident
00:29:15.080 where someone's throwing water bottles,
00:29:17.360 throwing water on Charlie.
00:29:18.320 They want to prevent that from happening
00:29:19.440 and secure that roof access.
00:29:21.700 It's the roof of the Hall of Flags, okay?
00:29:25.440 The Hall of Flags is what Charlie is sitting beneath.
00:29:27.340 That's the roof access.
00:29:28.560 amazingly in this filing kirk family lawyers decided to just omit that critical line of a
00:29:35.660 text exchange altogether we can look at this side by side they jump in here at if this is true it
00:29:42.560 would be nice to either have it controlled access or allow one of my guys to be up there as well
00:29:47.260 but actually they're missing that part i was told students have access above us if this is true it
00:29:56.040 would be nice to either have a controlled access or allow one of my guys to be there
00:29:59.960 as well.
00:30:00.840 Because if you could see that in the filing, you would go, oh, kind of sounds like you're
00:30:04.300 talking about a very specific area that has nothing to do with the Lose Center or any
00:30:08.060 other rooftop, but rather an area right above you guys and you guys, meaning right above
00:30:14.180 Brian Harple.
00:30:15.700 So I guess they're just going to ride that lie until the wheels fall off or whatever,
00:30:20.040 pretending that this exchange was about rooftops, more broadly speaking, and not about that
00:30:24.220 one particular access point.
00:30:26.040 which, by the way, they dealt with in that same clause on the bottom of the same paragraph
00:30:32.040 in the bottom of page six.
00:30:33.420 They somehow the lawyers here are hitting peak insanity because they note that Chief
00:30:38.500 Long responded with three words, gotcha covered because, well, he did have him have them
00:30:45.140 covered.
00:30:45.400 They did both the either and the or Officer Bagley was sent to monitor the rooftop traffic
00:30:52.420 control. Remember Officer Bagley, you know, Sir Body Cam went off. He's up there doing traffic
00:30:58.260 control. And additionally, members of Charlie's security team were allowed up there as well. He
00:31:04.260 met both of Dan Flood's demands. Here's a still of Richard Bracey was up there. We know Richard
00:31:11.180 Bracey was up there on the rooftop. And you can actually see right after the explosive goes off,
00:31:16.540 Richard Bracey jets across. He was already up there given access. Yet this spiling suggests
00:31:22.340 that got you covered, it was not met.
00:31:26.000 And also they then try to extrapolate it.
00:31:29.040 And they say that those three words got you covered.
00:31:31.980 And this is amazing.
00:31:32.980 You got to go here to where are we at?
00:31:34.660 The bottom of page five.
00:31:39.080 Yes, bottom of page five, six, pardon me.
00:31:43.240 They say this led TPUSA to reasonably conclude
00:31:49.200 that UVU had a plan to address the identified risk and other similar risks,
00:31:54.800 most obviously the risk from other rooftops, without TPUSA involvement.
00:32:00.760 Chief Long's text message did not invite or even allow Turning Point USA
00:32:05.340 to take any steps to secure the risk of unsecured rooftops.
00:32:10.460 I'm sorry, what?
00:32:13.220 Was this filing written by a teenage girl,
00:32:16.000 reading in between the lines of her boyfriend's silence via text?
00:32:19.200 Like that, what are you talking about?
00:32:21.100 He addressed the exact concern that you brought up.
00:32:24.240 You confirmed what you were speaking about.
00:32:26.500 They made sure that you got both of the either and the or, okay?
00:32:30.520 Officer Bagley, your own guys are up there.
00:32:32.440 And now you're like, and then just like when he said, got you covered, even though he did cover us,
00:32:36.840 we then assumed that he would then address every rooftop on campus.
00:32:43.640 We just assumed.
00:32:44.900 what we only have like you know 20 years of marine experience sniper experience we think
00:32:52.280 we're supposed to be thinking about rooftops generally speaking but we just took these three
00:32:55.400 words in the context of getting exactly what we wanted and we just assumed that you would have us
00:33:00.660 covered everywhere above and beyond i mean that is that is so beyond ridiculous and unacceptable
00:33:07.480 i can't even believe they're attempting this i can't even believe they are attempting this
00:33:12.260 okay now uh the next sentences that are highlighted on on on page seven i think we are on page seven
00:33:21.240 now yeah um it says uh wait which we just covered actually that uh really now we can jump down to
00:33:28.020 paragraph six okay and this is really just a summation of this brief filing and i'm just
00:33:33.080 going to read that in its entirety it says the uvu party's omissions actions and misconduct
00:33:38.780 led to Mr. Kirk's death.
00:33:40.780 All of these failures placed Mr. Kirk in danger.
00:33:43.300 He was legally entitled to believe
00:33:45.040 that when the UVU parties approved the tour event
00:33:48.600 to be held on campus on September 10th,
00:33:51.000 that the UVU parties would only hold the event in a venue
00:33:54.660 and with associated security measures
00:33:57.340 that made the event safe for him to attend and participate in.
00:34:01.620 Instead, Mr. Kirk was exposed to the danger
00:34:04.380 of a rooftop shooter that took his life
00:34:06.080 In light of the risks known to the UVU parties, the UVU parties' failures shock the conscience, giving rise both to a state-created danger claim under the United States Constitution's Due Process Clause and a traditional wrongful death claim under Utah law.
00:34:24.000 Thank you for receiving the above notice of claim.
00:34:26.500 Please feel free to reach out if you have questions.
00:34:29.380 Very truly yours.
00:34:30.520 I have questions.
00:34:33.900 I would like to reach out.
00:34:36.080 I do not think my call will be taken, but I have a lot of questions. What are we doing here?
00:34:43.860 What are we doing? What have we learned from this? We learned that Turning Point USA's position is
00:34:49.740 we brought in all of these former military trained snipers and Navy SEALs, but we are
00:34:53.420 really shocked, our conscience is shocked, that we were expected to in any way utilize their
00:34:59.700 expertise. That's really what this says. They're just totally shocked. It's amazing to me that
00:35:06.640 they're not suing their own security, who showed up at 9 o'clock a.m. that morning and are now
00:35:14.660 trying to strenuously read between the lines of a text message to assert that they somehow had
00:35:22.860 a discussion about rooftops when they didn't. So what's actually up with this filing? What is it
00:35:28.320 really about, well, I maintain my position that this is a preemptive PR strike meant to distract
00:35:33.700 the public from what I am told is going to be a devastating blow, a devastating PR blow regarding
00:35:39.140 Turning Point USA's shortcomings. Maybe we get some answers to the questions of why there was
00:35:44.100 no ambulance on standby. And maybe we're going to be able to see those communications,
00:35:49.460 fuller communications with the team. And it's going to feel like, just to give it like an ode
00:35:55.320 to when you first see Blake Lively's filing
00:35:57.540 and it sounds shocking, right?
00:36:00.080 Because she races to file it.
00:36:01.440 And then you kind of wait
00:36:02.540 and Brian Friedman drops like a lot of receipts
00:36:05.080 and you go, oh my, actually,
00:36:07.700 we did not get the full story here.
00:36:10.700 That's the vibe I'm getting.
00:36:13.040 The other thing, by the way,
00:36:14.440 that I think is interesting to consider
00:36:15.520 is that we may be actually looking at unique insight
00:36:19.760 into what Erica in Turning Point USA
00:36:21.920 has communicated to Charlie's parents,
00:36:23.640 that it wasn't their fault, that you made tons of mistakes.
00:36:27.120 Like they're obviously going to read through this
00:36:28.760 and this might be what they've been telling them.
00:36:30.380 Like we requested this, we were told no,
00:36:33.240 we were told this, we were told that.
00:36:35.180 He said he had the rooftops covered.
00:36:37.620 This might be what they were told.
00:36:40.020 Who knows?
00:36:42.280 Lastly, I'd like to just say this.
00:36:44.000 I do think it's possible that they will score a big payday,
00:36:46.580 that the state will just want the situation to go away.
00:36:48.400 I mean, Utah is not, to me, it seems a little corrupt.
00:36:53.380 The state seems a little corrupt.
00:36:54.520 And I would just imagine more broadly speaking
00:36:56.600 that they're just going to want the situation to go away,
00:36:58.760 agree to a settlement of some description
00:37:00.320 because they have the funds to do so
00:37:03.540 and they have bigger concerns like the criminal case.
00:37:07.720 I wouldn't rule that out.
00:37:08.800 Even on a university level,
00:37:10.180 you just want to be done with these things.
00:37:12.120 I hope not.
00:37:13.320 I certainly hope they don't do that.
00:37:15.800 And I'm going to instead hold my breath
00:37:19.100 for the independent review that's being conducted.
00:37:23.740 We'll leave it at that and be right back after the break.
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00:40:50.220 I see a lot of people in the chat saying
00:40:51.700 that this feels like money laundering,
00:40:53.900 like state money laundering away from the taxpayer.
00:40:56.620 It's an interesting thought.
00:40:57.660 I'm just seeing that appear a lot here.
00:41:00.140 I think there's a lot going on.
00:41:01.720 I mean, I certainly would be if I was in Utah
00:41:04.580 and I was taxpayer frustrated by the idea
00:41:06.500 that Turning Point USA, Erica was willing to promote her own security apparatus for what
00:41:15.540 on that day? I don't know. Dan Flood was actually providing security to her in the immediate
00:41:19.940 aftermath. He certainly was on her at the White House when Charlie, I think it was Charlie's
00:41:25.600 birthday or Trump did something there. And yet they're then now turning around and being like
00:41:29.460 there were security failures, but they were only the fault of UVU. I don't know that I buy that,
00:41:33.780 actually. Anyway, moving on from that, I have a random bee in my bonnet today. I need your help,
00:41:40.120 internet. It's bothering me tremendously. I can't let it go suddenly. Actually, credit to YouTuber
00:41:46.180 Zach Costello for putting this bee in my bonnet, even though he didn't mean to. Basically, what
00:41:51.600 happened was he was looking at the footage that we released of Tyler Robinson, the version in
00:42:00.860 the American shirt, walking onto UVU campus, and he was addressing how he had his fingers in his
00:42:09.120 pockets, okay, and the way that he was particularly holding his fingers in his pockets. And in Zach
00:42:13.480 Costello's mind, he said, that's super interesting because that makes me think of that 2022 arrest
00:42:20.200 of Tyler Robinson, and he also had his fingers in the pocket that way. But of course, my crazy brain,
00:42:28.380 like, instead of hearing what Zach Costello is saying,
00:42:30.920 which is like, this could be Tyler Robinson,
00:42:32.340 I went, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a second.
00:42:34.680 Why the heck did we ever see that footage?
00:42:37.760 This is, let me back this up for you.
00:42:39.120 The footage itself is now exceedingly problematic, okay?
00:42:42.600 Some facts about this footage,
00:42:44.700 2022 footage of Tyler Robinson.
00:42:49.700 And then the police, it was body cam footage,
00:42:51.880 you'll recall it, we'll show you a bit of it.
00:42:53.100 It was released just seven days
00:42:55.080 after the public found out that Tyler Robinson was the suspect, okay?
00:42:59.820 Again, it's body cam footage that's dated May 31st, 2022.
00:43:05.560 So we're talking like three and a half years after it was recorded
00:43:09.840 and it was released by Scripps Media.
00:43:12.620 Now I'm going to explain to you what suddenly registered to me
00:43:14.940 as very wrong about that footage.
00:43:17.200 The fact that it's three and a half years old
00:43:18.820 and yet was released and available to be released to the public so instantly
00:43:22.520 because the footage should not exist.
00:43:26.940 Now, you may not know this,
00:43:28.280 but allow me to enlighten you.
00:43:29.900 The police do not just hold on
00:43:31.760 to every mundane piece of footage
00:43:35.300 from traffic stops,
00:43:36.780 maybe 911 calls and police interactions
00:43:39.240 that they have on a daily basis,
00:43:40.940 mostly because they can't.
00:43:42.680 That's just way too much data.
00:43:44.660 So state by state,
00:43:45.740 there exists laws that govern
00:43:47.580 when body cam footage
00:43:49.240 is to be automatically deleted.
00:43:50.660 And it's typically a very short time frame for non-criminal interactions, as it should be, right?
00:43:56.740 Thankfully, okay?
00:43:57.800 Because do you know how many traffic footage stops there would be from me between the ages of 18 and 21 years old if they didn't just automatically delete this?
00:44:07.440 I had so many speeding tickets across so many states that Connecticut actually made me go back to driving school for a weekend or else I was going to lose my license, okay?
00:44:16.740 Gratefully, there's no footage of me getting stopped
00:44:18.620 for speeding by police officers
00:44:21.420 because it falls under a category
00:44:24.060 that's termed routine footage, okay?
00:44:26.800 A teenager being an idiot
00:44:28.600 and not abiding by speed laws is routine.
00:44:31.680 So are fender benders.
00:44:32.880 Sorry, Laura Loomer.
00:44:33.780 I know they were really desperate to try to find footage.
00:44:36.140 My husband pulling out of a parking lot
00:44:37.820 five miles per hour in the rain
00:44:39.580 and accidentally hitting somebody's bumper
00:44:41.500 who later shook us down for 6K.
00:44:44.800 But in Tennessee, that would have been filed under routine footage and it would have been
00:44:49.100 automatically deleted.
00:44:50.940 Actually, it wouldn't have because the police weren't even called that.
00:44:53.400 But you get the idea here.
00:44:54.760 They would they would have if the police were called to that fender bender scene, it would
00:44:58.720 have been automatically deleted about 30 days later in Tennessee.
00:45:02.180 In Utah, I looked up the law, that body cam duration for routine footage that does not
00:45:07.800 involve either an arrest, a citation, a use of force, or a citizen complaint is usually and
00:45:16.360 typically automatically purged from their system between 60 and 90 days. Again, that is to manage
00:45:23.520 storage costs, 60 and 90 days. So in the case of Tyler Robinson in 2022, no citations were issued.
00:45:31.240 Nobody was arrested. The body cam footage did not capture the accident, so there's no reason to hold
00:45:36.460 on to it. What took place was that Tyler Robinson spoke to an officer and was handed a report
00:45:41.540 number, incident report number. Both drivers were made to exchange the insurance. That's
00:45:46.140 very typical. There was no ambulance. There was no paramedics. Nobody was pretending to
00:45:50.900 be hurt. This was beyond routine. So I found myself going, who ordered the footage and
00:45:59.140 held on to it for three years? That is the question. When there is not a dispute, there
00:46:04.000 is not a dispute. This is not going into the court system. You're not saying this happens and I'm
00:46:08.260 disputing it. Tyler Robinson was completely unknown in 2022. He was just 19 years old.
00:46:13.980 This recording was recorded by an officer in the St. George Police Department. You should also know
00:46:19.060 that fact. And there would have been no need to request the footage. By the way, even if you do
00:46:24.820 request the footage, they won't just grant it to you automatically. You can say, I am requesting
00:46:29.920 grandma footage. I know Tyler Robinson. I know that he was involved in a fender bender. I'd like
00:46:37.080 to see that before you throw it out in 90 days. Who would do that? Like I said, both drivers were
00:46:43.440 cooperative. There was no subsequent lawsuit or fight. Why and who collected and stored this
00:46:49.420 footage? And we can now watch a little clip of it just so you can see what we're referring to,
00:46:53.580 because I don't think we actually ever talked about it on this show.
00:46:55.700 who's driver the driver you tell me just really quick what happened I was coming this way and
00:47:06.560 passing through and he pulled out from here or no from there I think what do you remember which
00:47:14.040 lane you were in I was in one of those two lines going this way I think in the right yeah in the
00:47:19.780 rightmost lane coming this way okay and he would have been there going left and as i was coming
00:47:27.400 through he turned in and i t-boned into the side okay mundane i'm gonna keep asking this who
00:47:36.920 requested and stored this footage for three years and then submitted it to scripps news who in utah
00:47:45.000 was like i happen to have this footage from 2022 that i've been holding on to of this
00:47:49.720 random, unknown 19-year-old Tyler Robinson, and I'm choosing to release it to a publication
00:47:54.100 that no one has ever heard of. And here's the headline, just so you guys can see this,
00:47:58.360 Scripps News obtains video of accused Charlie Kirk shooter after a 2022 car crash. Now,
00:48:07.400 we did some digging. Scripps News became a thing that same year in 2022. It was formerly Newsie,
00:48:13.660 then became Scripps. The founder of Scripps News is a man named Jim Spencer. And it caught my eye
00:48:21.320 that he happens to teach digital media and journalism at UT Austin, right? He's done so
00:48:28.200 since 2018. He's been at UT Austin teaching digital media and journalism. Here's his bio
00:48:32.800 on the site. And that caught my eye, or at least jogged my memory, because I remembered that
00:48:37.640 Turning Point USA has a very strong tie to UT Austin in the form of their number one donor.
00:48:43.660 uh Nelda Buckman it was that was announced she's our number one donor that was who they I believe
00:48:47.800 they were sharing a plane with as well um at some point correct me if I'm wrong I vaguely remember
00:48:53.440 that we covered that um she donated in 2022 a 2300 square foot building to UT Austin for mixed media
00:49:01.700 and artists it's called the Buckman Center of UT Austin and that made me think hey that's another
00:49:08.840 little side quest that Turning Point USA could use their resources to explore. That has nothing
00:49:14.580 to do with the hearing at all. So you can't say, oh, we're just letting things play out. It's not
00:49:18.580 really actually relevant to what's going on in the courtroom. Maybe Nelda can help you reach out to
00:49:24.520 Jimbo Spencer, help us all figure out how they got a hold of this obscure video,
00:49:31.000 why it was submitted to them at Scripps News. Could be another piece of the puzzle.
00:49:36.280 because you want to know what I think?
00:49:39.640 I think this is like the maroon shirts
00:49:41.820 when I suddenly said,
00:49:43.020 every news organization was showing us pictures
00:49:45.720 of Tyler in a maroon shirt
00:49:47.200 and you would think that he always wore maroon shirts,
00:49:48.980 but he didn't actually.
00:49:50.000 He normally wore blue shirts
00:49:52.520 and it seems like they knew
00:49:54.680 that some decoys were going to wear the maroon shirt
00:49:57.360 and they wanted to immediately imprint upon the public's mind
00:50:00.540 that Tyler just wore maroon every day.
00:50:03.440 They didn't.
00:50:04.620 I think this is similar.
00:50:06.280 I think that they already knew they were going to release this to the public and they had
00:50:13.220 trained this individual to mimic the way in which Tyler Robinson walks.
00:50:18.420 I think that because the New York Post kind of said that, right, when they released the
00:50:24.920 footage, they were basically like, wow, shocking footage emerges of Tyler Robinson and he's
00:50:31.080 wearing an eerily similar hat and sunglasses from the 2022 footage.
00:50:36.660 Look, it's just unbelievable.
00:50:38.680 This fender bender in Utah sporting sunglasses and a hat that are eerily similar to what
00:50:44.140 he was seen wearing while on the run after allegedly gunning down conservative activist
00:50:48.760 Charlie Kirk three years later.
00:50:50.040 Wow, how crazy that this footage emerged and he's in the same hat and sunglasses imprinting
00:50:57.040 upon the public mind that this is our guy.
00:51:01.080 So that's my thought. I would like to know why footage that did not involve a crime was available on the ready a couple of days after we learned, seven days after we learned that Tyler Robinson was a suspect. How did Scripps get that?
00:51:15.640 If you have information as to how that took place, who held on to that footage, why they held on to that footage, which should have been deleted after 60 days in the state of Utah, which no one should have requested because no one should have known that it happened, please reach out to us.
00:51:30.380 We'd like to, we'd like to, it's a bee in my bonnet, bzzz in my bonnet.
00:51:34.820 Got to get to the bottom of it.
00:51:36.280 More tips at CandiceOwens.com.
00:51:39.680 Thank you, Zach Casello, for putting this bee in my bonnet.
00:51:41.600 I know you were thinking a different route, but I'm always like that men in black scene where like, you know, I go after the girl.
00:51:47.440 There's all these aliens and my brain just works a different way.
00:51:49.680 And now this has to be solved.
00:51:52.580 More tips at canisowens.com or you can email us at tips at canisowens.com.
00:51:57.280 Maybe you work for Scripps.
00:51:58.580 Maybe you know how they got this footage.
00:52:01.040 Maybe you work for St. George.
00:52:02.960 You know who works for St. George and could have maybe held on to this footage.
00:52:06.900 Maybe it's a whole blackmail thing.
00:52:08.720 They highlight certain people.
00:52:10.040 I don't know.
00:52:10.520 they're in a gifted program and they're like, we got anything we find about this. But didn't
00:52:15.860 Mike Mitchell, wasn't he his mentor? Would he have maybe opened up to someone and said,
00:52:19.640 hey, I just got pulled over? I don't know. It's weird. It's all very weird. We'll be right back
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00:54:08.960 Okay, top episode, I mean,
00:54:11.060 top comments from yesterday's episode.
00:54:13.080 This is regarding the Ed Sheeran scandal.
00:54:16.580 It is a scandal indeed.
00:54:18.300 Free Palestine, duh.
00:54:20.380 Roadhunt writes,
00:54:21.200 had they just ignored what McLemore said,
00:54:23.160 he would have only had 90,000 people hear his message.
00:54:26.260 But now the whole world has heard his message.
00:54:28.120 The Lord works in mysterious ways.
00:54:29.600 That's exactly right.
00:54:31.380 They can never leave well enough alone.
00:54:33.340 The pro-Israel lobby, they just operate like termites they have to destroy.
00:54:36.960 And typically what happens is the opposite desired effect where people look and go, well, this is weird.
00:54:41.880 This is very weird.
00:54:42.720 Why are you punishing a person for saying something that's basically true?
00:54:46.620 Genocide is always wrong in my view.
00:54:48.640 What's going on here?
00:54:50.340 And so it is ultimately a good thing.
00:54:52.400 And it remains to be seen what Ed Sheeran will do.
00:54:54.560 He should cancel the rest of his tour, according to me.
00:54:57.480 This next user writes,
00:54:58.560 acknowledging human suffering
00:54:59.860 should not be a punishable offense.
00:55:02.180 Well, you can't make that make sense
00:55:05.420 to people who worship Baal.
00:55:07.960 That's what I've learned.
00:55:10.060 They just like them.
00:55:11.740 They just like human sacrifice.
00:55:13.700 They love, they have this bloodlust.
00:55:15.760 They love killing children.
00:55:17.200 They laugh.
00:55:17.780 They feel warm in their bellies
00:55:19.480 when children die.
00:55:21.700 So that's how that works.
00:55:24.240 Comments from today's episode,
00:55:25.580 TooMuchSausage writes,
00:55:26.720 what a username, how do you guys come up with this stuff?
00:55:29.840 Writes, and yet Charlie's security team had one job.
00:55:32.700 Did any of them get sued or fired?
00:55:34.960 No, some even got promoted.
00:55:37.220 No, I'm the one being sued
00:55:38.460 for calling out their security failures.
00:55:40.560 This is just a crazy world.
00:55:41.500 We live in Turning Point,
00:55:42.500 or rather Erica Kirk could go after UVU
00:55:45.240 for security failures.
00:55:46.600 God forbid Candace says something
00:55:49.160 that is so abundantly obvious and true
00:55:51.800 that it takes two to tango, my friends,
00:55:54.640 when you bring 13 well-equipped security men with you
00:55:59.680 with military, extensive military backgrounds,
00:56:03.300 everybody got to sue Candace.
00:56:04.940 You know, it's like that show, Everybody Hates Chris.
00:56:06.800 Everybody sues Candace.
00:56:08.580 I got to have like a, I don't know,
00:56:10.460 we got to make something, a little AI thing.
00:56:12.320 Everybody sues Candace.
00:56:13.580 Feeling so bad for myself.
00:56:15.580 Nemus Altus writes,
00:56:16.480 Candace is divine providence in action.
00:56:18.660 P.S. John Mappin is a proper legend,
00:56:20.500 a top bloke and an absolute diamond.
00:56:21.920 He is a sort of chap who would help you move a sofa without expecting a pint of cellar after.
00:56:27.500 Sovereignty is ours.
00:56:28.600 Let's keep it signed.
00:56:29.880 He will very much enjoy you having said that.
00:56:31.620 He is like quintessential Englishman is what I would say about John Mappin without question.
00:56:38.940 And it's just really just all very interesting, like how we met and none of us actually should have met and how it all came together.
00:56:45.860 And him and Irina have just been fantastic friends to us, especially throughout this time.
00:56:50.460 They have been extremely loyal to Charlie and making sure that he does not die in vain, right?
00:56:57.140 That he actually, we explore what really happened, who was behind it.
00:57:01.660 And we all know that this is so much bigger.
00:57:04.940 I mean, just so much bigger than we could have ever imagined.
00:57:08.620 Scotty Thrive Tribe writes,
00:57:10.180 The stepbrothers scene where they build bunk beds will not leave my brain.
00:57:13.940 Mom, Dad, why would you let us do this?
00:57:15.980 There's so much blood.
00:57:17.100 Classic childish shirking of responsibility.
00:57:19.200 yes um i think you're talking about the did we just become best friends i've actually never seen
00:57:25.340 fully stepbrothers which is weird because i'm a massive will feral fan but yeah like they do
00:57:30.120 something and then they're like why would you let us do this is so crazy that's so absolutely crazy
00:57:35.280 to me like it's you know ordering a dish for your child at a restaurant they give you the dish
00:57:40.400 and then the child has some sort of a choking incident you're like why would you let us order
00:57:43.960 this it's what do you mean why was like you ordered this like you this is what you wanted
00:57:48.160 you ordered this turning point usa why are you telling us that we're getting sued for giving
00:57:53.340 you what you want it's so bratty it's giving verruca salt right don't care how i want it now
00:57:59.400 and then like i don't know that's that's the vibe that i'm getting from this this filing and it's
00:58:05.020 from the office of the attorney general or was it given delivered to the office of the attorney
00:58:09.260 in general, rather, of Utah. Margaret Garbo writes, I'll say the selfish comment that we
00:58:15.620 are all thinking, bless the beautiful new baby that is about to become a part of your family,
00:58:19.340 but we are going to miss you while you're being a great new mama. Someone had to say it. Thank
00:58:23.800 you so much. You guys are very sweet. I do think that you will be happy with who is taking over
00:58:30.100 my show in the interim, which is, this is actually a very good time to announce it. I delayed
00:58:34.680 announcing it because he made a very unfortunate mistake and it was disgusting and it was sick
00:58:39.860 and it had to be called out privately. And I almost just ripped up all the contracts because
00:58:43.900 he said a hot dog qualified as a sandwich. It's crazy. But Baron Coleman, yes, will be taking over
00:58:52.220 the principal's show while I'm on maternity leave. We're very excited about this, obviously.
00:58:57.700 Baron has just become such a great friend over this last year, just an unexpected friendship
00:59:01.240 that emerged and like just to be able to have someone that I think thinks through these things
00:59:06.060 like I do. It takes his time. I think he's just he has a method that very much matches my own and
00:59:11.760 making sure that you want to triple confirm information. And he's deep on this stuff. And
00:59:15.660 obviously, it's an added benefit that he is a lawyer. I'm a pretend lawyer. I love reading
00:59:19.860 through documents, marking it up. I feel like I should get an honorary law degree. I'm not going
00:59:25.500 to actually pursue that. But if anyone wants to give me one, I will accept it. Hey, if Erica can
00:59:29.600 be a doctor? Why can't I be a lawyer? I don't know. But Barron Coleman will do fantastic on
00:59:36.320 the show. It will run while I am off air from Monday through Wednesday. Before I leave, we
00:59:42.480 will do a joint episode. I saw a lot of you guys asking, can we do a thorough, go back from the
00:59:47.860 beginning for some people that are just kind of learning about this case and getting involved,
00:59:52.020 go from the beginning, kind of unpack what has happened and also have an opportunity to sort of
00:59:57.540 look through what the state's evidence is, that opportunity that was missed sorely by the
01:00:04.340 incredibly insincere and disingenuous Andrew Wilson. I want you guys to have that information
01:00:10.220 and to be able to slowly walk through that. And doing a sort of longer episode with Baron Coleman
01:00:14.960 will give me that opportunity. So we will do that before I pass the torch. We are just got a few
01:00:20.600 more weeks here until this baby comes. So it will be Baron Coleman. And obviously, we have now
01:00:25.320 included a very, very strong clause that he's not allowed to discuss sandwiches in any capacity,
01:00:30.080 hoagies. It's just something that he's not allowed to do on the show. We will not allow
01:00:35.040 him to be out here saying crazy things like hot dogs qualify as sandwiches. We need to keep people
01:00:40.560 together. And that is not how you unite the country. It's just not how you do it.
01:00:46.140 Lady Lala writes, I know you say that you are not voting anymore, but can we please flip the
01:00:50.300 House and Senate and take power from Trump. Crisis can go max. P.S. We no no. Anna K. is sitting in
01:00:57.080 during your leave. Ah, you were wrong. You thought it was Anna Kasparian. That would have been a great
01:01:00.620 one, though. That would have been a fun one to have Anna Kasparian. But I want to keep going on
01:01:04.600 with the Charlie Kirk case. And I know that she covers multiple topics and she's just getting
01:01:10.360 into it. I went on her show and explained a lot of the things that are wrong with the case, which
01:01:14.560 I was really grateful for because she has a different audience from mine. But yes, it is,
01:01:18.980 in fact baron coleman and uh yeah he will he will keep track of tricky tarot this tricky tarot
01:01:26.980 bothers us all we don't know how he's allowed to just be this tricky and just get away with it
01:01:31.060 it just feels wrong it just feels like they're getting away with a lot um also this person is
01:01:36.020 telling me that they sent me some important info regarding tarot so i will check that out
01:01:41.320 um lulu writes keep following the david levitt stuff it is deep we are the people utah has
01:01:48.880 everything that you need to know about this case david and his wife took this child to scotland
01:01:53.300 and bought a castle and kept her there away from her family i'm going to add allegedly allegedly
01:01:57.660 because i'm obviously live reading comments and so i don't know if there's any truth truth to that
01:02:02.420 and you are implying that there there's a safety issue there i do not know that i know nothing about
01:02:06.480 a child being taken to scotland um but i will uh look in more into david o levitt because i do
01:02:13.480 think that that is an interesting thread that needs to be pulled you know there has been a lot
01:02:17.420 of satanic abuse claims full stop in utah outside of david o levitt it's a steep history of those
01:02:23.600 sorts of things and um yeah it is something that somehow we feel like we're arriving at again here
01:02:30.120 in the charlie kirk case which make should make no sense and yet somehow it seems to be what's
01:02:34.240 staring us in the face. Lastly, Ali writes, love Tucker Carlson. You're referring to,
01:02:43.120 but I disagree with him regarding Erica. He said when he first met Erica, he was impressed by her
01:02:47.380 fearlessness and her intensity and how Charlie valued her. Well, what about loyalty? She lied
01:02:52.280 about his Iran war views, covered up his Israel views, and handed Turning Point USA to the Daily
01:02:57.760 wire. I did not see this clip of Charlie, I mean, of Tucker. But what you cite here is that he says
01:03:04.140 when he first met her. So I think we all met a different person than she is today. Obviously,
01:03:08.940 I told you that when I was at Tucker's in June of 2000, May of 2025, Erica was there the night
01:03:14.980 before ranting about Israel, like and like pushing Charlie in that anti-Israel direction. So I don't
01:03:20.940 know. I don't think anybody knows this, Erica. Again, I don't know what Tucker said in his full
01:03:24.820 comments, but it's totally plausible that she just switched into another personality because
01:03:29.640 that's what I've seen since May. Like we were all talking about Israel and now all of a sudden
01:03:34.880 she's very pro-Israel and partnered with the, what is it called? ICF. It's like the International
01:03:43.080 Fellowship of Christians and Jews. That contract got revealed by Max Blumenthal. Is anybody
01:03:49.240 surprised anybody surprised because you shouldn't be anyway if you would like to support the show
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01:04:36.620 introduced to me by Charlie Kirk. How the West Was Won was the first book that Charlie
01:04:40.400 woman I had to read and we discussed it. And here we are. Also, feel free to buy your second
01:04:46.920 favorite shirt. You know, we do not offer first favorite shirts. We only offer second favorite
01:04:52.280 shirts in maroon. And you know that that's what you just got to wear. You just got to wear when
01:04:57.100 you do bad stuff and you're like me speeding through six states and you have to retake
01:05:01.040 a course in driving or the state says they're going to take away your driver's license because
01:05:06.920 you're just flying up in your Mustang to the University of Rhode Island. Anyway, there's no
01:05:13.120 footage. There's no footage. Suckers, didn't happen. We'll see you guys tomorrow.