Candace Owens - Andrew Kolvet Blames Me For Erika PR Backlash ｜ “Mormon Mafia” History Explained ｜ Ep 364

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00:00:30.000 All right, you guys, happy Wednesday. So unsurprisingly, the Daily Mail article of

00:00:35.720 Erica referring to me as a soulless ghoul and a B.I. backfired. It turns out that most people

00:00:42.560 in the rational world think that someone demonstrating repeat compassion for the man

00:00:46.860 that she believes murdered her husband while displaying repeat anger at the person who's

00:00:51.860 trying to figure out if that person, Tyler, actually even did it or if more people were

00:00:55.720 involved. That did not go over so well with the public. So how did they respond? Well, Andrew

00:01:00.940 Colbett, PR disaster, came out of the gate today swinging and attempted to blame me for the article,

00:01:09.020 alleging that I colluded with the Daily Mail journalists to publish the article. In effect,

00:01:15.360 I called myself a BI and a soulless ghoul so that I could then respond to the article on the show.

00:01:21.580 We're talking about the Daily Mail. Go try to find a nice article about me in the Daily Mail or really anywhere, actually. They are running the PR game, obviously. They've been very favorable to Erica. And I just have to say that is an Olympic stretch. I mean, the stretchiest stretch of all PR stretches. I am telling you, that man is losing it. Andrew Colvett has officially lost it.

00:01:44.200 that this is going to backfire so badly to pretend that the article was fictionalized

00:01:49.240 because heads would have to roll.

00:01:51.060 People would have to be fired.

00:01:52.480 They'd be forced to issue a retraction.

00:01:55.520 So before we get into what he attempted to claim before he was, of course, met with a

00:02:03.020 community note on X, we first need to dive back into where we left off on Monday, the

00:02:08.860 term Mormon Mafia.

00:02:11.180 Who and what does that refer to specifically?

00:02:14.060 Today is an episode where you have to take out your notebooks, students, because it is a lot to learn, but it is very important and absolutely fascinating.

00:02:21.440 Welcome back to Candace.

00:02:36.620 All right, so the Mormon Mafia, who among you has even heard of that term?

00:02:42.220 So I gave you the context of my having first heard the term from Courtney Love, of all people, and I genuinely had no idea what she was talking about, what she was referring to. We were talking about Hollywood, and she was then telling me everyone talks about Zionists, but you have to understand the relationship between the Zionists and the Mormons, controlling everything in Hollywood and music and publishing rights. I was totally confused. 0.87

00:03:08.240 I will be clear, however, that in my personal experience, I very much believe there is a 0.82

00:03:12.460 Zionist mafia operating because there always has been one. 0.98

00:03:16.360 I think Michael Jackson alluded to that before his death. 0.96

00:03:19.520 Kanye West alluded to that after his gym trainer, Harley Pasternak, threatened to drug

00:03:24.080 him and take his children away.

00:03:27.340 What kind of gym trainer writes that kind of stuff?

00:03:29.640 And I have to tell you guys, and this is not even a joke, one of the reasons among many

00:03:34.560 that I was fired from the Daily Wire,

00:03:35.900 a specific reason that they listed

00:03:37.100 was I suggested that there could be

00:03:40.420 a Jewish mafia in Hollywood

00:03:42.020 in my coverage of Michael Jackson's death.

00:03:44.800 It was deemed an anti-Semitic suggestion,

00:03:48.160 the mere suggestion

00:03:49.260 that there could be a Zionist mafia.

00:03:51.540 But actually, it's kind of a simple fact of history

00:03:54.120 that the Jewish mafia started Hollywood.

00:03:57.340 I mean, we covered various aspects of that

00:03:59.260 in our reading of Hollywood Babylon

00:04:00.780 in our book club.

00:04:02.680 But beyond that,

00:04:03.320 Ergon, the underground Jewish terrorist organization that were operating in Palestine, 0.83

00:04:09.720 ruthlessly murdering people to ensure that Israel became a nation. They just believed 0.96

00:04:14.380 violence was the means to get what they wanted. And when I say murdering people, I don't want you

00:04:19.120 to think that I'm just referring to Palestinians. I mean, British people, whoever and whatever was

00:04:24.360 in their way. They were behind the infamous King David hotel bombing. They loved to use bombs in 1.00

00:04:30.320 Jerusalem in 1946. To be clear, the hotel at that time was operating as the British military 0.91

00:04:37.360 headquarters in Jerusalem. They just bombed it, killing 91 people in one go in 1946. And yes,

00:04:44.160 that gang came to America and manifested here. The Zionist gang became known as the Stern gang. 0.85

00:04:52.740 And they kept up political lobbying and bombings, which made its way all the way to the White House. 0.65

00:04:59.160 Check out this article about what they did to President Harry S. Truman.

00:05:03.560 This is a headline in the New York Times.

00:05:05.840 It reads, letter bombs mailed to Truman.

00:05:08.780 And it tells us that the so-called Stern gang of the Zionist terrorists tried to assassinate

00:05:13.900 President Truman by letter bomb in 1947, according to a new biography written by Mr.

00:05:19.360 Truman's daughter, Miss Margaret Truman Daniel writes, quote, a number of cream colored envelopes

00:05:24.700 about eight by six inches, arrived in the White House, addressed to the president and various

00:05:29.700 members of the staff. They were found to contain a powdered gelignite, a pencil battery, and a

00:05:36.840 detonator rigged to explode. The gelignite, pardon me, gelignite, when the envelope was opened.

00:05:42.020 But when the White House mailroom alerted to the danger of postal bombs, discovered the letters

00:05:46.660 and had them defused by the Secret Service bomb experts, Mrs. Daniel writes in her book,

00:05:51.300 Harry S. Truman. Now, members of this Zionist gang, which began in mandatory Palestine, 0.93

00:05:59.680 were also Canaanites. Literally, it's one of the craziest things that knowing the history of the 0.96

00:06:07.560 creation of the state of Israel is enough to warrant someone being labeled an anti-Semite.

00:06:12.240 This is stuff that is just freely available for you to look up on even Wikipedia. Okay,

00:06:16.180 take a look at this in Wikipedia entry referred to as Canaanism. It reads, it tells you that Ergon

00:06:23.860 was a Jewish Canaanite. Canaanism was a cultural and ideological movement founded in 1939,

00:06:30.040 reaching its peak among the Jews of mandatory Palestine during the 1940s. It had a significant

00:06:35.460 effect on the course of Israeli art, literature, and spiritual and political thought. Its adherents

00:06:42.640 were called Canaanites, okay? And then it tells you that most of its members were former members

00:06:49.520 of Ergon or Lehi. Look at the art that they created on the right side of this Wikipedia

00:06:55.240 entry. It says Nimrod. Okay. A visual emblem of the Canaanite idea. So they were creating art

00:07:04.420 based on their beliefs. And who were the Canaanites in the Bible, guys? Ball worshippers.

00:07:09.860 okay that's just a fact it's right in your face you wonder what's going on why are they doing 1.00

00:07:15.820 what they're doing in Gaza and Palestine yeah you got to go back into the history anyways point I'm

00:07:21.440 making here is Oregon was a Jewish Canaanite gang no one denies that it was a terrorist group that

00:07:28.300 killed a lot of people one of its members was a man named Benjamin Emmanuel that is the father

00:07:35.040 of Ari Emanuel, one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful man in Hollywood.

00:07:41.340 His brother is Rahm Emanuel, one of the most powerful names in the Democratic Party in

00:07:46.740 politics.

00:07:47.540 He was the director of public affairs under Bill Clinton before he became his senior advisor.

00:07:53.980 Rahm was also the chief of staff under Barack Obama, and then he became the mayor of Chicago.

00:07:59.600 A lot of corruption in Chicago, as we know. 0.93

00:08:01.960 their father was literally in a Jewish terrorist gang. 0.85

00:08:06.400 Okay, so I bring up that point only to underscore the absurdity of people trying to suggest

00:08:09.840 that it's anti-Semitism to note the plausibility of Jewish gangs that are affiliated with Hollywood

00:08:15.140 and within politics, especially when so many entertainers have died in mysterious circumstances.

00:08:21.740 How many celebrities can drown in a bathtub before it gets weird?

00:08:27.780 How many people do you know that have just drowned in bathtubs in general? 0.95

00:08:31.960 Okay, I believe Kanye West always have, always will, and based on my own literal experience in politics, I have been threatened, my livelihood has been threatened, and I have been gang-stalked by Zionists throughout the court system and beyond. 0.96

00:08:47.420 But I digress, because you're probably thinking, what does Mormonism have to do with it? 0.95

00:08:53.340 So I want to be clear that whenever we're covering any sort of mafia or gang, we're not suggesting that every person of that race or religion or ethnicity is a member of that mafia because that's just dumb.

00:09:02.960 In fact, in most circumstances, the actual gang members rely on people who are not in the gang to be outraged because it gives them cover, right?

00:09:11.220 Criminals benefit best when they can mix in amongst regular hardworking people.

00:09:16.020 There is corruption everywhere.

00:09:17.620 Obviously, it usually exists at the top. 0.53

00:09:20.740 So the term Mormon Mafia, where does it come from?

00:09:24.780 If you just Google it, you are going to learn that it is a colloquial term that is usually referring to, and I'll quote,

00:09:33.140 the trusted Latter-day Saints inner circle of businessmen and accountants who were hired by billionaire Howard Hughes in Las Vegas during the 1960s.

00:09:46.300 Okay, so Howard Hughes is the name that we need to reference.

00:09:48.960 who is, or rather, who was Howard Hughes. Howard Robert Hughes Jr. was one of the richest and most

00:09:57.340 influential people in the world throughout his lifetime. Okay, he lived from 1905 to 1976. He

00:10:04.720 was so influential, but Leonardo DiCaprio actually played him in the movie The Aviator. I have not

00:10:10.020 seen that. I don't watch a lot of movies. I heard it was a good movie. But he was beyond just a

00:10:15.380 businessman. He was an aerospace engineer, an investor, a builder, a film producer, you name

00:10:22.200 it. We do not have time to go over every area and aspect of his vast wealth and empire. So I'm going

00:10:27.840 to really just minimize it into three main characters for you on this graphic, okay?

00:10:32.820 In film industry, he made his name as a film tycoon. He was a producer and an investor,

00:10:38.880 beginning in the 1920s, behind such films as Scarface and Hell's Angels,

00:10:42.800 eventually acquiring ownership of RKO Studios.

00:10:47.340 To make Hell's Angels,

00:10:49.080 he actually assembled the largest private air force

00:10:52.260 in the world.

00:10:53.720 He was also an aerospace engineer in 1932.

00:10:57.020 Howard Hughes founded the Hughes Aircraft Company,

00:11:00.320 started off by renting a hangar within Lockheed Aircraft.

00:11:04.280 Then there's Howard Hughes Medical Institute, okay?

00:11:07.380 That was his charitable arm.

00:11:09.820 And he formed that in 1953 to fund basic medical research.

00:11:15.600 He was also inspired, just so you know the backstory, to get into medicine because both

00:11:19.460 of his parents died young, his mother from an ectopic pregnancy, and I can't remember

00:11:24.680 the reason that his dad died young, of a heart attack, actually.

00:11:28.080 And so he was interested in just health in general.

00:11:31.140 He inherited, at the age of 19, his family fortune because both of his parents died.

00:11:35.940 And that impacted him, obviously.

00:11:37.800 Hughes Aircraft was eventually transferred into his charity.

00:11:41.840 So people thought that he did that because it was this massive organization.

00:11:44.500 And now it was, you know, protected by being inside of a charity.

00:11:47.780 So he didn't have to pay taxes on it.

00:11:50.620 Las Vegas.

00:11:51.380 OK, so this is interesting.

00:11:52.660 Howard Hughes, in the last 10 years of his life, began buying up casinos and hotels and

00:11:58.580 restaurants in Las Vegas, including the Desert Inn, where he would eventually become a reclusive.

00:12:06.840 The Sands Hotel.

00:12:08.680 On that last point is where it gets even more fascinating

00:12:12.160 because Howard Hughes himself was not a drinker.

00:12:16.580 He was not a partier.

00:12:17.540 He did not do drugs.

00:12:19.140 He was committed to his businesses.

00:12:21.540 He was also, while he was in business,

00:12:24.380 exceedingly paranoid about communists

00:12:27.620 and their ability to infiltrate companies

00:12:30.240 and take them over.

00:12:31.700 Now, he was so paranoid, this is a fact,

00:12:34.120 that he shut down his film studio

00:12:36.600 after he acquired it, RKO.

00:12:39.120 For six months, he shut it down

00:12:40.960 to investigate the political leanings

00:12:42.840 of every single employee. 0.60

00:12:45.860 Imagine doing that.

00:12:46.500 That was in 1948.

00:12:47.520 He's like, okay, shutting this down. 0.92

00:12:49.260 I need to make sure none of you are commies. 0.93

00:12:51.380 Ironically, 1948 was the same year 0.94

00:12:53.200 that Israel became a country.

00:12:55.480 But I'm just letting you know

00:12:57.080 that that was a major concern

00:12:58.700 that he had always in the back of his mind. 0.98

00:13:01.920 And that is, of course, what was going on in the world, the Red Scares. 0.99

00:13:06.560 But of course, with an empire the size of his, you can only be so paranoid, right? 0.98

00:13:12.680 You have to trust somebody.

00:13:15.200 You have to trust your lieutenants, right?

00:13:17.600 You can't be a one-man band worth billions.

00:13:22.320 Howard Hughes thought for sure, okay, if I'm going to be able to trust people, I can trust

00:13:27.100 people who live like me.

00:13:28.740 How about a religious group that's forbidden?

00:13:31.200 from drinking and smoking and gambling.

00:13:34.560 They live like me, okay?

00:13:37.480 I don't drink, I don't do drugs.

00:13:38.860 I'm gonna trust the Mormons.

00:13:42.300 One person who he trusted 0.96

00:13:44.320 was a man named Frank William Gay.

00:13:46.960 He was a member of the LDS Church, Latter-day Saints,

00:13:51.300 who he initially hired just to run a subsidiary

00:13:54.280 of his tool business.

00:13:56.340 It was Frank William Gay

00:13:58.480 who would then begin hiring people around him, 0.94

00:14:02.620 hiring what became known as the Mormon Mafia, 0.89

00:14:06.340 who would surround Howard Hughes 0.98

00:14:08.540 during the rather bizarre last 10 years of his life

00:14:13.560 when he experienced an entirely higher shift

00:14:17.620 in his behavior.

00:14:19.580 Like I said, he became a virtual recluse.

00:14:21.520 He rented out the penthouse floor

00:14:23.580 of the Desert Inn in Vegas.

00:14:26.080 Then he outright purchased the hotel, casinos, all while he was kept holed up. 0.85

00:14:32.040 He would see no one but these Mormon men who surrounded him. 0.94

00:14:36.460 And then they started telling stories about his last years and why he didn't want to see anyone. 0.99

00:14:41.740 Again, this was in stark contrast to the businessman that the world had come to know and love.

00:14:45.880 The public was told that the reason that Howard Hughes suddenly didn't want to see anybody and became a recluse was because he was in pain from injuries that he had endured.

00:14:56.080 over his lifetime. So he began taking painkillers. He then developed severe, debilitating OCD,

00:15:04.340 which made him avoid all contact with the outside world because he was a germaphobe.

00:15:09.960 And that was just some of the very odd things and disturbing habits and rituals that they said

00:15:16.380 that he developed. Here is an article describing the only men who had access to him, the Mormons. 0.54

00:15:22.600 And this was published, is this in Time magazine?

00:15:25.120 Yes, it's entitled The Keepers of the King.

00:15:29.260 It tells us, this was published, by the way, in 1976, Time magazine.

00:15:33.680 It tells us they had no lavish corporate suites, no direct authority over other senior Hughes

00:15:39.140 employees, practically no business experience.

00:15:41.920 They did, however, have two striking advantages.

00:15:45.040 They were, with a single exception, adherence to Mormonism, a religion that embodies Howard

00:15:49.980 Hughes's aversion to drinking and smoking, and they had direct unlimited access to the king

00:15:56.000 himself. They also never talked. One reporter described them as men without mouths. They were

00:16:01.340 Hughes's so-called Mormon mafia, the six gentlemen in waiting who were recruited by the Sumo 0.90

00:16:06.860 Corporation. Bill Gay himself, a Mormon, attended the Croesus Day and night, and in eight-hour

00:16:15.220 shifts. They were assisted by four physicians on 24-hour calls and five lesser functionaries,

00:16:21.440 including Gordon Margulis and Mel Stewart. It goes through the names here. For their services,

00:16:26.400 the six senior aides were paid as much as $110,000 a year each. They equipped his various

00:16:32.120 hideaways, decided which messages would reach him. They censored his reading matters. In short,

00:16:38.460 they controlled Howard Hughes and the public image of him. So how does this end? Suddenly,

00:16:44.980 this big guy is not leaving anywhere. Well, Howard Hughes died. And I have to tell you,

00:16:51.880 it was a remarkably suspicious death, not unlike Michael Jackson's, if you ask me.

00:16:58.860 Officially, Howard Hughes died of kidney failure on April 5th, 1976. He was aboard a jet,

00:17:08.160 actually, a jet that was owned by a man named Robert Graff, G-R-A-F. Now, that surname may

00:17:16.020 have you wondering because of recent news, is that like the newly appointed Judge Tony Graff

00:17:21.440 in the Tyler Robinson case? Truly, I have no idea if there's any relation. But what I do know about

00:17:26.180 Robert Graff, who owned this jet, is very interesting. He was the founder of Robert Graff,

00:17:32.480 Inc., which became Duncan Aviation. His business partner was Donald Duncan. Yes, that Duncan

00:17:40.640 Aviation with the mysterious transponding Egyptian planes on the day of Charlie's assassination.

00:17:48.060 That was Robert Graff's company, renamed Duncan Aviation in the 60s. Yeah, that Duncan Aviation

00:17:54.600 that had that Egyptian plane take off for Delaware shortly before the assassination. 0.99

00:17:59.620 It is just a small world, but I digress.

00:18:01.900 Here are the facts regarding the investigation into the death of Howard Hughes,

00:18:06.760 which the investigation had to take place due to a fight over his estate.

00:18:09.880 Despite being OCD, he somehow didn't put together a will for his vast empire.

00:18:17.580 It tells us that after 18 months studying and investigating Hughes' drug abuse,

00:18:25.160 a man who didn't do drugs his whole life and hired Mormons because they didn't do drugs,

00:18:27.900 suddenly died a drug addict, it was discovered after this investigation that, quote, someone

00:18:34.260 administered a deadly injection of the painkiller codeine to this virtually comatose man, obviously

00:18:41.740 needlessly and almost certainly fatal dose. We then learned that he suffered from malnutrition

00:18:49.040 and he was covered in bed sores while his kidneys were damaged. His other internal organs,

00:18:53.700 including his brain, which had no visible damage or illnesses, were deemed perfectly healthy.

00:18:57.900 X-rays revealed five broken-off hypodermic needles that were inside the flesh of his arms.

00:19:04.400 When he died in 1976, his body was so thin that observers likened him to a captive from a Japanese prisoner of war camp.

00:19:13.580 That was the condition that that man was in.

00:19:17.220 Beyond that, it was discovered that in the hotel room that he was being kept for years, unseen by anyone outside of the Mormon mafia, 0.70

00:19:24.640 The blinds had not been drawn for years. 0.98

00:19:28.060 They were rotting from no use.

00:19:30.100 So we are to believe at the same time that this man had debilitating OCD and germaphobe

00:19:37.220 for germophobia, but so much so that he didn't want to leave, but also that his personal

00:19:44.600 hygiene, he was absolutely filthy.

00:19:47.680 Nails grown out, hair grown out, unshowered, bed sores, not even turned over.

00:19:53.480 But don't worry. They brought in the psychologist to testify that that's actually something that we term the clean, healthy paradox. Okay. Okay. He thinks other, and it's a lot to explain. You always got to bring in a psychologist to explain nonsense.

00:20:09.680 In effect, during those years, his business was being run entirely by his LDS lieutenants,

00:20:16.000 people that he trusted, every aspect of it.

00:20:18.320 And after he died on Robert Graff's plane, the fight for his $2.5 billion estate began.

00:20:25.000 People just coming in saying, oh, no, I should inherit it.

00:20:28.960 There was a mysterious handwritten note which was filed by the Church of the Latter-day Saints,

00:20:34.660 which they claimed was his last will and testament.

00:20:37.300 That claim was summarily rejected by the courts.

00:20:40.380 It was a 34-year legal battle until eventually it was decided that the majority of his fortune, around $1.5 billion, would be controlled by the Howard Hughes Medical Institute, the charity that I told you he started, and that he had transferred the Hughes Aircraft into.

00:20:59.840 Charities have trustees that make the decisions on the board.

00:21:03.020 And when he was alive, he was the trustee to his own charity.

00:21:07.880 Of course, when he died, the trustee of the board became Frank William Gay, his trusted Mormon, who, it would be discovered later, was at one point working with the CIA.

00:21:21.440 Now, today, that charity, the Howard Hughes Medical Institute, has an endowment of $24 billion, billion dollars, controlled by trustees.

00:21:35.720 And the companies outside of the charity, of which there was many, the casinos, the real estate, the movie rights, all of that was placed under a holdings company, Howard Hughes Holding Company.

00:21:44.700 It was Summa Company before that.

00:21:47.200 And deals were made, okay?

00:21:49.060 We can update you today to who owns all this stuff.

00:21:51.100 Today, his Las Vegas Sands Resort, obviously, and casino is controlled and operated by Miriam

00:21:56.900 Adelson. It was Sheldon Adelson that had it. And of course, he passed away recently. So Miriam

00:22:03.240 Adelson controls that. Steve Wynn controls the Frontier Hotel and casinos and the Desert Inn,

00:22:09.900 the place where Howard Hughes became reclusive, never drew the shades. Steve Wynn eventually

00:22:15.440 demolished that. And today it is the famed Wynn Las Vegas Hotel. The real estate empire is still

00:22:22.380 being operated with his name, Howard Hughes Holding Incorporated. American hedge funder Bill

00:22:29.340 Ackman was and is the executive chairman of Howard Hughes Incorporated. He was from 2010 to 2024,

00:22:39.320 he was the executive chairman. He retired for a couple of months, but then changed his mind

00:22:44.360 And last year, in May of 2025, Bill Ackman made a $900 million investment into Howard Hughes Holding Incorporated, returning him back to that executive chair position.

00:22:57.700 I should also mention that Frank William Gay, the trusted Mormon, he had a son, Robert Gay, who became the managing director of Mitt Romney's Bain Capital for 16 years.

00:23:10.620 So why am I telling you that? Because the story is interesting.

00:23:14.360 It's just interesting to think about that. A man who lives his life and then we are told in the end that he kind of reversed course on everything that he was. He becomes a drug addict. His empire gets smashed, divided. And the articles reflect that he was infiltrated, or heavily imply, by this Mormon mafia, as they term it. That's where the term literally comes from.

00:23:36.540 and it's interesting and the reason why i came across this guy's name truly i am not a movie

00:23:41.360 person was because when i was researching one of the maroon boys maroon boys um i who i'm not

00:23:48.220 naming at this time i did discover that he was a relative of the hughes family empire i thought oh

00:23:53.120 who is this who is this howard hughes and then i was speaking to some lds church members who were

00:23:58.280 then telling me the story and i started reading the articles and going wow this is super fascinating

00:24:02.500 it's also interesting because i have been consistently telling you guys before all of

00:24:09.500 this before i knew anything that ostensibly turning point usa is an evangelical christian

00:24:14.780 organization but in reality it's a lot of mormons like half of the company it's mormons tyler boyer

00:24:21.560 i have been telling you from the beginning was the person that was in control of everything

00:24:27.340 the hiring, the firing. Charlie, he has described, yeah, he followed Charlie. Charlie

00:24:33.960 did all the work. But Tyler controlled a lot of things. There are a ton of LDS church members who

00:24:41.700 work for Turning Point USA who were brought in by Tyler. In fact, on the day that he was murdered,

00:24:48.300 Charlie himself confirmed that. So you don't have to take my word for it. You can take Charlie's

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00:25:26.980 I'm going to shoot this high crowd right there.

00:25:32.240 Let me just continue.

00:25:33.580 I love how the Mormons and the nationaries around the world.

00:25:36.260 I love how the people are.

00:25:37.560 I have my team as Mormon.

00:25:39.120 Terrell's a Mormon, Andrew's a Mormon.

00:25:40.880 I'm going to say, everybody, I'm an evangelical Christian.

00:25:47.780 and we're going to have fun with this,

00:25:49.140 but I'm not one of those guys that makes on Mormons.

00:25:53.100 Half my team is Mormon. 0.99

00:25:54.380 He's telling the truth.

00:25:55.060 And then he says, Andrew, he's not referring to Andrew Colbert.

00:25:57.640 He's referring to the person that picks what stops he goes on to.

00:26:02.000 And, yeah, who runs the field program. 0.98

00:26:04.380 That is a Mormon.

00:26:06.280 And Tyler's a Mormon. 0.64

00:26:08.020 He's talking. 0.86

00:26:08.700 Terrell's a Mormon. 0.87

00:26:10.340 Terrell's the guy who takes down the cameras, 0.96

00:26:12.160 the Farnsworth guys,

00:26:13.140 And all of these people knew Erica before Erica knew Charlie.

00:26:18.760 These families knew Erica before Erica knew Charlie.

00:26:20.560 Tyler Boyer handled the money at Turning Point USA.

00:26:23.300 I have text messages to that effect proving that he was behind Turning Point Action.

00:26:28.920 He was the COO, first at Turning Point USA, then became the COO of Turning Point Action.

00:26:34.240 And yes, he brought in Erica of that.

00:26:36.380 There is no doubt they have both admitted that.

00:26:38.580 But she can't remember how she knows him.

00:26:40.340 She told me maybe through Senator John Kill, maybe that's what she told me in our face-to-face meeting, but she can't recall that specific detail of the guy who set her up to go on a interview with the love of her life, apparently.

00:26:56.400 I remember the last face-to-face conversation that I had with Tyler.

00:26:59.900 We were backstage at AmFest, and I was telling him that Charlie should just debate Nick Fuentes.

00:27:06.920 there was some griper stuff going on, as usual, at these events in the hallways. And

00:27:10.600 I was like, just sit down and just have the debate. I think it's just worth having it.

00:27:15.920 And he told me that Turning Point USA was never not going to be pro-Israel. They would always be

00:27:23.600 pro-Israel. In retrospect, that's a weird thing to say, especially a weird thing to consider,

00:27:29.260 since its founder was quite literally going against Israel in those last months.

00:27:33.600 that Charlie Kirk wrote explicitly

00:27:36.940 he had no choice but to abandon the pro-Israel cause.

00:27:40.840 And according to Charlie,

00:27:42.040 he felt that he was being morally blackmailed

00:27:43.900 at Bill Ackman's house in the Hamptons

00:27:45.880 by Seth Dillon and others.

00:27:47.420 I'll be clear, he didn't say Bill Ackman

00:27:49.840 morally blackmailed him,

00:27:51.660 but Seth Dillon, he did say.

00:27:53.620 I've been morally blackmailed by Seth Dillon,

00:27:55.560 so I know exactly what Charlie Kirk was referring to.

00:27:57.980 He was being pressured.

00:28:00.220 And he decided, no, no more.

00:28:03.600 It's a phone call from BB Netanyahu.

00:28:05.260 We still don't know really what happened during that phone call,

00:28:07.500 but we know his wife was by his side.

00:28:09.780 We know that Charlie wanted to, seven days before he died,

00:28:12.980 to establish a Doge audit at his company.

00:28:16.460 That's a fact.

00:28:18.400 He doesn't know, apparently, where all the money is going.

00:28:22.420 I am told specifically by Turning Point employees

00:28:26.140 that the money was missing out of Turning Point action.

00:28:28.880 That is Tyler's arm.

00:28:29.980 And yes, it may or may not be relevant that Tyler is sitting on the board of a company with Erica's mother, Laurie Fransfay, who had those relationships with the Mormons, like Terrell Barnsworth, before Charlie knew who Laurie Fransfay and Erica Fransfay were.

00:28:49.540 We are told that Charlie and Erica had an appointment to change his will, which was scheduled for the Monday after he died.

00:28:59.800 He never made it to that Monday.

00:29:01.660 He never made it to that appointment.

00:29:03.200 He's then murdered in Utah.

00:29:06.120 And then his wife assumes the reins of the company. 0.53

00:29:10.000 The audit is magically canceled.

00:29:13.540 Turning point becomes virtually unrecognizable.

00:29:17.480 Ben Shapiro slides into Charlie's studio

00:29:19.400 with a million dollar check in hand.

00:29:20.940 Not even Ben Shapiro himself or Blake Neff

00:29:23.920 could stomach the lie that Andrew Colbert tried to spin

00:29:26.780 that Ben and Charlie were friends.

00:29:28.060 they actually came out and told the truth

00:29:29.840 because I was going to go like max on that

00:29:31.860 and I actually pulled back on dropping even more text messages

00:29:34.360 when Blake Neff admitted

00:29:35.660 and Ben admitted that they were not friends

00:29:39.080 but Andrew Colvett attempted to tell that lie to the public

00:29:42.760 and that should terrify you

00:29:43.980 about the people that were surrounding Charlie Kirk

00:29:45.640 to be so willing to so quickly pervert a dead man's beliefs

00:29:51.980 Erica then goes on a Shabbat Shalom book tour

00:29:56.780 immediately first thing

00:29:58.620 She sits down with Barry Weiss,

00:29:59.760 the New York Times,

00:30:01.080 her and Charlie's home.

00:30:02.060 And of course, it should be noted

00:30:03.540 that Erica herself is very close

00:30:05.680 with the Vegas casino families

00:30:07.320 flying around on their planes.

00:30:09.240 That's a fact.

00:30:11.060 As is the fact that

00:30:12.540 one of the only times

00:30:14.580 that Erica has ever responded

00:30:15.880 to anything publicly and directly

00:30:17.520 was when somebody alleged

00:30:19.880 that she was dating Blake Wynn

00:30:21.860 of the Wynn Casino dynasty.

00:30:23.840 I've never, just to be clear,

00:30:25.580 seen any evidence of that.

00:30:26.660 I have never stated that.

00:30:27.520 I didn't even cover that for the record.

00:30:29.560 It appears that they are very close friends, but I never, ever heard that they were dating.

00:30:35.040 But she did feel the need to comment aggressively to that.

00:30:40.780 All of this just feels a little bit remissioned to me, right?

00:30:43.740 A man living his life one way, relying on his lieutenants, not knowing what was really

00:30:51.200 going on around him.

00:30:52.520 And then suddenly he picks up his head and starts asking questions.

00:30:56.120 And now we see the organization that he left behind, the one that he built, doing a complete 180 on virtually everything he believed.

00:31:08.500 The very people that he trusted the most in his inner circle are doing a 180 on the things that Charlie believed.

00:31:17.440 Anyway, it's all just something to think about.

00:31:21.460 We'll be right back after the break.

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00:34:34.540 Andrew Colbert, man, I have to tell you

00:34:36.740 that after I saw him trying to spin

00:34:39.700 that Charlie and Ben Shapiro were friends, 0.59

00:34:41.380 I just said to myself, this is an evil man.

00:34:44.260 This is an evil, there's no way you can do that.

00:34:46.520 I just have way too many messages, group chats with Andrew Colvett, with Tyler.

00:34:51.120 I was like, that takes a level of dishonesty and also like a fundamental hatred for the

00:35:00.100 person who passed away.

00:35:01.180 Like typically people feel pulled to be more loyal to people after a tragic death, to not

00:35:08.240 allow people to come in and to ruin their legacy.

00:35:10.740 And Andrew just told that lie and it was so crazy.

00:35:12.960 Ben Shapiro swept in and said, I tweeted, OK, I never claimed to be close to Charlie.

00:35:18.420 Blake Neff went on to the podcast and said, yeah, no, Charlie had issues with Ben, but

00:35:23.720 he did consider him at least an ally in the movement.

00:35:26.540 You know, he was constantly texting about him, making fun of him.

00:35:29.480 Andrew was just going to keep it, keep it up and just tell an extraordinary lie, reverse

00:35:34.940 the truth.

00:35:36.540 Candace was an enemy and Ben was a friend.

00:35:38.580 That tells you Andrew Colbert's character.

00:35:40.560 And so I am not surprised at what he is attempting today. It is very stupid what he's attempting. It's unbelievably stupid because it's so easy to debunk. Of course, we showed you yesterday another PR disaster from start to finish. Erica's PR has been a disaster. It just has. Andrew Colvin has been driving that bus. She also told me they brought in crisis PR teams. And these people are just not reading the public sentiment from the very beginning. 1.00

00:36:06.280 What actually began this slide was that tour when she went on to Fox News and then did Barry Weiss. She did like a bunch of shows in one week, and then they asked her about the podcaster, Candace Owens, name-checking me, and she'd stop, just stop. And people were like, whoa, you kind of demonstrated compassion for Tyler Robinson on stage, and you've got these evil eyes for Candace. What's up? Right? What's up with that?

00:36:33.480 And the Daily Mail article reflected that stance.

00:36:35.540 Compassion, again, for Tyler Robinson.

00:36:37.400 They were using direct quotes throughout the entire article.

00:36:40.940 Direct quotes coming from a family friend who I speculated was Tracy,

00:36:45.580 because that is the only person I know that is friends with Erica's family

00:36:49.700 who has been vocally speaking to people in the press.

00:36:52.600 It was a guess.

00:36:53.420 Anyway, so this backfired.

00:36:55.980 And Andrew Colvett comes out and says that I'm behind the article.

00:37:02.900 He tweeted this.

00:37:04.920 We never received any requests for comment.

00:37:07.280 We are told that they attempted to send one, but we can't find it.

00:37:10.960 It is strange given that every other outlet on the planet seems to know how to reach us,

00:37:15.440 including the Daily Mail.

00:37:16.960 That was the first clue that something very suspicious was going on here.

00:37:20.120 Anybody who actually knows Erica knows this is not how she talks,

00:37:23.920 which calls into question who this so-called anonymous source actually is.

00:37:29.160 There isn't a single word that is an accurate depiction of Erica's views or comments publicly or privately.

00:37:34.800 I've personally never even heard Erica swear at someone, for starters.

00:37:38.320 Erica has remained remarkably restrained, though she has ample reason not to be.

00:37:43.360 The story was so bad, the Daily Mail had to make a major update to it once it was confronted with facts,

00:37:49.120 including retracting their claim

00:37:51.220 that the source was a family member of the Kirk family.

00:37:54.520 That's an especially egregious correction

00:37:56.720 to have to make for a tabloid.

00:37:58.520 It's unfortunate to see the Daily Mail 0.98

00:37:59.800 doing the bidding of Candace Owens,

00:38:02.380 who of course used it as rage bait on her show 0.83

00:38:05.220 because she has no actual evidence to discuss 1.00

00:38:07.620 as she continues this very lucrative investigation. 1.00

00:38:10.500 Maybe she's the anonymous source.

00:38:12.380 Okay, so when you have spare time,

00:38:14.800 go onto the Daily Mail website and type in my name.

00:38:17.920 They hate me, hate me.

00:38:20.780 Absolutely, the coverage of me, it's positively atrocious.

00:38:24.520 I mean, the amount of times I have called out

00:38:26.020 the Daily Mail on this show

00:38:27.540 for the hatred that they have of me,

00:38:30.180 and then to do yourself challenge

00:38:31.760 and type in Erica Kirk in Turning Point USA,

00:38:34.060 and you will see the exact opposite coverage.

00:38:37.660 So of course, we immediately put up the email

00:38:39.860 that we received asking us for comment,

00:38:41.760 as it always is a few hours before the piece goes up,

00:38:44.820 and which we responded immediately.

00:38:46.780 and they said that Erica was coming after us in a piece

00:38:49.800 and here's what she was going to say.

00:38:51.600 We gave a comment.

00:38:52.580 The article was up a couple of hours later

00:38:54.020 and we covered it on the show.

00:38:55.540 The idea of it, I'm including with the press anywhere.

00:38:58.100 Where can Candace Owens get a good, fair article 0.99

00:39:00.220 written about her at all? 1.00

00:39:01.280 Everything is, she's demonic, she's evil, she's awful. 0.99

00:39:04.700 Erica's a grieving widow. 0.93

00:39:05.940 And he is now accusing me

00:39:07.480 of having some sophisticated apparatus

00:39:09.280 where I'm calling myself a BI and a soulless ghoul.

00:39:14.300 So I challenge him.

00:39:15.340 Andrew, this is made up, truly.

00:39:18.220 The only thing that's made up is what you're saying.

00:39:20.180 Obviously, you're now facing backlash,

00:39:21.860 probably under a little bit of pressure 0.93

00:39:22.940 because this was a really dumb article to plan against me.

00:39:26.640 And you guys work, have proven that you work with Daily Mail

00:39:30.080 because you chose them and sent them the video

00:39:33.700 of Erica Kirk being named by Charlie Kirk.

00:39:37.340 The public's not allowed to see it,

00:39:38.420 but the Daily Mail was allowed to see it.

00:39:40.340 We know you work with them.

00:39:42.200 So to pretend that you don't have

00:39:44.360 an established relationship. Anybody is free to see and to blame me. That is the definition of

00:39:49.960 somebody striking you while crying out in pain. Like that is Andrew Colvett right now in a nutshell

00:39:56.460 striking me while crying out in pain because it backfired like every single one of their attacks.

00:40:02.120 Erica name checked me when she was dressed like Janet Jackson. That backfired. That was a bad 0.95

00:40:06.980 idea. Multiple. He acts like she's never come after me. She's come after me. She has come after

00:40:12.100 me and name checked me multiple times. And every time she does it, it backfires. And this time 0.99

00:40:17.580 you're now, like actually every time, say it's my fault, right? This NCRI article that you were

00:40:23.100 promoting, a digital assassin, this is all you. I don't have a PR apparatus, okay? Mitchell receives

00:40:29.640 the request and he asks me if I want to comment. Nine out of 10 times I say, Mitchell, you can say

00:40:35.080 whatever you want. I don't care because I don't get any good press. It doesn't matter for me to

00:40:37.840 try to clean up or correct or say anything. The press hates me. I'm at war with the press at all

00:40:42.480 times because they are an extension of the state. And Erica is deeply protected by the state.

00:40:48.840 Everybody can see that. So it's just incredible. Obviously, immediately, my PR person dropped the

00:40:55.620 receipts, Mitchell, and showed the article and was just like, you're blaming us because you're

00:41:00.280 terrible at PR. Here is the email that we received from the Daily Mail asking us to comment. And we

00:41:07.380 did comment. And so I am challenging. This is like this is so open and shut. If the Daily Mail

00:41:13.080 created an article of which actually secretly Candace was behind and attributed quotations,

00:41:17.920 they have not removed the article. They have not issued any retraction. Turning Point USA could

00:41:23.360 very easily get them, get a lawyer to send out and demand that they retract it. They're using

00:41:29.540 direct quotations. You can't do that. That is the clearest case of defamation ever for an article

00:41:34.200 to make, for a journalist, a senior reporter, no less, to make up quotations out of whole

00:41:40.180 cloth that never happened.

00:41:41.780 And here's what I will say.

00:41:42.520 I am so sick of this.

00:41:44.340 Now they're saying, I've never even heard Erica swear.

00:41:47.580 I've never even heard her swear. 0.99

00:41:50.200 Do you think we're dumb? 0.98

00:41:50.980 Do you think people can't watch her during her pageant years when she's trying out for 0.98

00:41:57.160 every real, you know, reality and TV? 0.96

00:42:01.100 and Erica literally says,

00:42:02.920 she's asked a question,

00:42:04.760 what is something you wish

00:42:05.840 that you could say to your younger self?

00:42:07.980 Advice that you wish you could give

00:42:09.020 to your younger self?

00:42:09.980 And she says, don't try cocaine.

00:42:12.480 Well, that's weird advice 1.00

00:42:13.480 to give Erica use to party.

00:42:16.160 Okay, that's fine, by the way.

00:42:17.860 The idea that Erica has never swore

00:42:20.220 and doesn't swear,

00:42:21.540 again, is this bizarre caricature

00:42:23.720 that they have been trying to build of Erica

00:42:25.700 as like this strong, loving Christian

00:42:28.780 who never does anything wrong.

00:42:30.100 Erica really is a nun behind the scenes.

00:42:31.920 I have told you explicitly, 1.00

00:42:33.560 she's nasty behind the scenes. 1.00

00:42:34.660 She is.

00:42:35.800 Any comment, Andrew Coven,

00:42:36.760 on what I'm saying about her calling priests

00:42:38.340 and calling people

00:42:39.800 and telling them to pull out of a Catholic prayer event

00:42:43.140 because I was going to be praying?

00:42:46.240 Like, I bet that had nothing to do with politics,

00:42:48.900 nothing to do with you guys.

00:42:50.980 Is that the sweet Christian girl

00:42:54.000 that you're talking about? 0.99

00:42:55.180 No, she operates behind the scenes. 0.78

00:42:57.340 She has been operating behind the scenes

00:42:58.960 and she works with you.

00:43:00.100 what kind of Christian lies about a surgeon call?

00:43:04.660 What kind of Christian would just say, 0.86

00:43:07.400 lie explicitly, say Andrew Colbert went rogue, 0.75

00:43:10.900 the surgeon went rogue and I had no idea about it?

00:43:13.220 That's not true.

00:43:14.880 Would you like to double down on that claim, Andrew?

00:43:17.100 How about you do that?

00:43:18.020 If I'm lying and she's so pure and innocent,

00:43:20.420 then why don't you guys respond to that?

00:43:22.380 Did the surgeon go rogue and violate HIPAA

00:43:24.080 and speak to you one-on-one alone without Erica's approval?

00:43:26.880 Did you tweet that without Erica's approval?

00:43:28.300 honest Erica she's never told a lie she's never swore she's never used that language she's just

00:43:37.540 so pure who are you fooling who do you guys think you are fooling with this repeat act

00:43:43.000 I could have thrown in her time when she was partying people that were reaching out telling 0.94

00:43:47.800 me about how she partied people who partied with her we left all that off the table because Erica 1.00

00:43:53.360 was in her 20s and Erica's allowed to party. I've certainly, I mean, I was not doing drugs and

00:43:58.420 cocaine, but I certainly partied. I always tell people that I was partying in New York City,

00:44:03.560 catch me at PhD, the electric room, One Oak. So we left off the table, but the idea that you're

00:44:08.700 now trying to paint her as so innocent that she doesn't swear so that you can blame me for what

00:44:13.920 you guys not just did to me, have been doing to me nonstop, promoting influencers that attack me

00:44:20.600 nonstop go after my family. It's unbelievable, Andrew. Your PR strategy is a nightmare. So I

00:44:28.280 am challenging you. I am asserting definitively that I had nothing to do with that Daily Mail

00:44:34.000 article. I have nothing to do with any press that's being written about Erica because the

00:44:36.980 press hates me. I'll go to court with you. You get them for defamation. If Candace was behind

00:44:42.680 these direct quotations taken from a family friend, an article that has not been retracted,

00:44:49.440 I am your ally, Andrew.

00:44:51.620 That's really dirty business for a senior reporter to do.

00:44:54.120 That person should be fired.

00:44:56.060 You should actually pursue that.

00:44:58.440 That would be a good use of your time 1.00

00:45:00.780 rather than tweeting stupidity into the universe 1.00

00:45:04.580 as seems to be the full-time job of both you and Blake, okay? 0.99

00:45:10.760 Anyway, a couple of things that I did want to respond to

00:45:13.060 from yesterday's episode, we got a lot of emails

00:45:15.240 and tomorrow is when we're going to cover,

00:45:17.080 obviously who Ben Shapiro was allegedly lunching with when he found out and got the news and his

00:45:22.320 security sprung into action and spoke to we still don't know who on the phone in the car. A couple

00:45:28.880 of people thought that the car looked like it was burned, that the panel was black and brown. That's

00:45:35.820 actually, just so you guys know, you can get that's just an option on a car. That one looks

00:45:40.840 particularly dry, but like you can get that option on a car. I've seen that many times. So we're

00:45:44.860 actually showing you that that is a full option on a car. That's not any type of conspiracy there,

00:45:50.680 that there is black and that there is brown. And then I also wanted to comment on people

00:45:58.420 who noted that Mikey had two phones. We've been getting a lot of emails about this. Mikey having

00:46:03.160 two phones in the news clip that we showed you yesterday walking into the hospital. Also,

00:46:07.600 it's a fact Mikey did have two phones when him and Charlie walked into the event.

00:46:11.080 The reason why I have not commented on that and also Blake Neff oddly saying I put that phone away, that implies there's another phone. Everyone would just say I put my phone away. And Blake Neff does say I put that phone away and I can show you that clip. Take a listen.

00:46:28.540 I remember he calls Erica.

00:46:30.800 I, around the same time, I pull out my phone and I call my mom just to say,

00:46:34.680 Mom, there's been a shooting.

00:46:36.320 You're going to see it on the news.

00:46:37.200 I'm okay.

00:46:38.280 You know, pray for me.

00:46:39.380 I've got to go.

00:46:40.000 And I remember that call.

00:46:41.540 And around the time I put that phone away, and then he immediately calls his dad.

00:46:46.140 He calls Robin McCoy.

00:46:47.980 Okay.

00:46:48.460 I put that phone away.

00:46:49.620 That is strange.

00:46:50.460 That is, you would say, I put my phone away.

00:46:52.060 You would not say I put that phone away unless there was another phone.

00:46:55.060 But we don't have anything concrete.

00:46:58.480 And what I mean is, what I can say definitively is that when me and Charlie did events, a lot

00:47:03.900 of times we would hand our phones to our assistants.

00:47:08.320 So I don't know if Charlie had his phone.

00:47:11.420 I've not yet seen, or I guess I should say I haven't myself looked to see if Charlie

00:47:15.420 had his phone on the table in front of him because Mikey could just be holding Charlie's

00:47:20.600 phone and Mikey could have taken Charlie's phone to the hospital.

00:47:23.820 I will look for that,

00:47:24.980 but that's the reason why I haven't replied.

00:47:26.500 And obviously Blake and I saying that phone

00:47:28.420 isn't enough evidence to suggest

00:47:30.380 that all of them had two phones.

00:47:31.720 Mikey may have had two phones.

00:47:32.740 That is a plausibility,

00:47:34.340 but it is also a plausibility

00:47:35.700 that Charlie gave his phone to Mikey

00:47:39.360 just ahead of the event

00:47:40.420 because I did that a lot with Charlie.

00:47:42.320 We would hand our phones to our assistants

00:47:43.520 and then we would go on stage.

00:47:46.300 So I'll leave it at that.

00:47:48.800 And I do also want to show you

00:47:50.320 one more email that we got

00:47:52.760 from a seamstress regarding what was in the car.

00:47:56.560 She wrote, Candace and Barron,

00:47:58.120 she cc'd Barron on this email.

00:48:00.300 I am a seamstress for 20 plus years.

00:48:02.540 That item clearly has a seam,

00:48:05.380 referring to the burned item on the floor,

00:48:06.720 and you can see the precise spacing

00:48:08.420 of each thread in the seam.

00:48:10.540 I have included photos of the areas I am referencing.

00:48:13.040 I believe the larger portion of the cloth that we see,

00:48:16.140 that we can see is the outside of the shirt,

00:48:18.300 evidenced by the visible seam line.

00:48:20.960 On the top, it appears the shirt is folded,

00:48:23.200 so the char would be on the inside of the shirt.

00:48:26.000 I also included a photo of what makes sense to me

00:48:28.120 of how that seam would fit onto the shirt.

00:48:30.820 It would be on the lower portion of the sleeve.

00:48:33.100 Then we would be missing the area

00:48:34.660 where the seam joins into the armpit. 0.97

00:48:37.660 Continued to another seam down the side of the shirt

00:48:40.700 that is less clear to see the thread indentations,

00:48:43.500 but maybe you have a higher resolution photo

00:48:45.120 than my screenshot from today's show.

00:48:48.040 Please let me know if you need more clarity,

00:48:49.780 and here is the photo that she,

00:48:51.640 which I thought was very helpful

00:48:52.580 of how she was describing that.

00:48:54.220 She sort of flattened it

00:48:55.080 and is basically saying

00:48:56.680 that it represents the front

00:48:57.620 and the back of his shirt.

00:48:59.800 It's interesting.

00:49:01.160 It certainly is interesting

00:49:02.020 what she is describing.

00:49:04.240 And she gave us this,

00:49:05.120 the inside of the shirt,

00:49:06.100 the outside of the shirt,

00:49:07.360 and the fold.

00:49:08.100 Of course, I don't have seamstress eyes.

00:49:10.200 I just told you guys

00:49:10.900 that we got so many emails

00:49:12.060 from people saying

00:49:13.700 it's a shirt, shirt, shirt, shirt,

00:49:14.620 and they are within the industry.

00:49:16.480 So I'm inclined to believe

00:49:18.020 when we get that many emails asserting something

00:49:22.340 that it could be true.

00:49:23.940 It could also not be true.

00:49:25.460 But, you know, the more you know,

00:49:26.640 this has been an open investigation into things

00:49:28.300 because we can't get answers from the people who would know.

00:49:31.920 Anyway, we'll take a brief break

00:49:32.960 and I'll come back and read your comments.

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00:51:29.540 Okay, top comment from yesterday's episode.

00:51:32.060 Tenki Ryu writes, who hates it most when crimes are investigated?

00:51:35.980 Those involved in the crimes.

00:51:37.480 I agree with that statement.

00:51:39.800 Julia Turner writes, I'll never forget.

00:51:41.800 That's a quotation from Blake Neff, who now has amnesia.

00:51:45.160 It is, yeah, interesting to hear him say,

00:51:46.800 I'll never forget Mikey's quivering lip.

00:51:50.060 I have to call Erica, but he was already on the phone.

00:51:53.960 So that's an interesting thing that Blake did forget.

00:51:56.140 But Blake comes in and out, you know.

00:51:57.780 We're here to help Blake.

00:52:00.700 Comments from today's episode, getting into this.

00:52:03.620 Happy Party Place writes,

00:52:05.520 a standing ovation for all that you do.

00:52:06.940 Because of you, I was led back to Christ

00:52:08.360 and am instilling his love in my children

00:52:10.680 for each working occurrence against you.

00:52:12.320 May God send you an army,

00:52:13.620 a believer to support and protect you.

00:52:15.120 You are keeping his legacy alive.

00:52:17.000 Go Max, Mama.

00:52:17.780 Well, I can tell you that

00:52:19.660 because the press hates me so much

00:52:21.320 and the government hates me so much.

00:52:24.020 And really the only place that I get support

00:52:26.980 is from you guys.

00:52:28.160 Truly, that's the only place that I can get support.

00:52:30.820 And that is the thing that keeps me going.

00:52:32.580 So a standing ovation to you guys as well.

00:52:35.980 Joseph writes,

00:52:36.480 I would love a Candace Times,

00:52:38.040 Dr. Taylor Marshall conversation.

00:52:40.040 he was attacked for opinion on the SSPX, that family is treated more harshly than non-Catholics. 0.72

00:52:46.340 I see a parallel of Candace proximity to the conservatism. More harsh treatment would be 1.00

00:52:51.400 expected for not accepting the conservatism du jour. I actually didn't see what his opinion was

00:52:56.540 on the SSPX. So I'll have to look into that. Many moons ago, I was going to do something with Dr.

00:53:02.380 Taylor Marshall. And then he sort of had to cancel. It was like during Trump election season,

00:53:08.500 He was kind of doing stuff with Trump.

00:53:10.300 And yeah, that's that.

00:53:13.160 But then we never really rescheduled that

00:53:14.640 or tried to make it happen again.

00:53:16.140 He's a good friend with my husband, George.

00:53:18.640 And we have hosted him here in Nashville before.

00:53:21.080 Nemus Autis writes,

00:53:22.900 Candace, thank you for being my voice

00:53:24.980 that America needs voices.

00:53:27.020 America does need voices.

00:53:28.560 I agree with that.

00:53:29.180 And I think it's building.

00:53:30.900 Feel good, feel happy, guys.

00:53:33.540 It's breaking now into the mainstream.

00:53:35.960 People are beginning to discuss this,

00:53:37.360 all the aspects of the case. I actually think because of that, the preliminary hearing was a

00:53:42.340 good thing. It was a good thing. That's what I mean when I say everything always backfires.

00:53:46.200 What an atrocious idea, if you're the PR team, to have Erica invite influencers into the courtroom. 0.99

00:53:52.860 What does that look like just on its face? Does somebody actually have to sit you down and say, 0.83

00:53:55.940 no, actually, that's a bad idea because we're saying that the truth is on our side.

00:53:59.780 The truth doesn't require influencers. It just does not require influencers to tell the truth.

00:54:05.180 If the evidence is overwhelming,

00:54:06.280 we're all going to be overwhelmed by it.

00:54:07.720 You don't need influencers telling us it's overwhelming.

00:54:10.200 And so that immediately registers the public as fraudulent.

00:54:14.580 Unforced error after unforced error.

00:54:17.160 That's not something that would be on anybody's mind

00:54:18.880 if you're going to face the person who you allege

00:54:22.720 you are fully confident murdered your husband.

00:54:24.560 The last thing you would think is,

00:54:25.900 well, let me call up Graham Allen and Benny Johnson

00:54:29.080 and see if they're free to come.

00:54:31.720 What?

00:54:33.120 How do you think people in the public are going to take that?

00:54:37.320 They're going to think that you need influencers because you're not telling the truth, because

00:54:40.300 you aren't confident, because you don't think the facts are enough.

00:54:43.600 That's common sense.

00:54:44.560 That's not Candace making that happen.

00:54:45.920 It's common sense.

00:54:47.540 Please have a little bit more faith in the public than to think that they're going to

00:54:52.140 be swayed by obvious influencer campaigns.

00:54:57.040 They're so obvious.

00:54:57.880 Like I said yesterday, when we were tracking, all of a sudden, they're all bringing up Sandy

00:55:01.700 Hook.

00:55:02.360 They're all talking about Sandy Hook.

00:55:04.160 That's an obvious influencer campaign,

00:55:06.640 which makes us believe that your next plan

00:55:09.140 is going to be a lawsuit to try to bankrupt

00:55:12.420 anybody who is meaningfully looking into this case.

00:55:16.000 And the example, of course, will be me.

00:55:18.220 Because that's what they're all mentioning me.

00:55:20.400 Like they're going to publicly hang me

00:55:22.880 for how everyone in the world feels about this case,

00:55:26.280 because clearly the facts aren't convincing enough.

00:55:29.580 Again, that will be another unforced error.

00:55:31.940 But we've just come to expect them from a Turning Point USA team who has reversed course in everything that Charlie Kirk believed.

00:55:39.780 Zamet writes, you know, Zamet, by the way, you are always here.

00:55:42.520 Thank you so much.

00:55:43.820 We do have like repeat people who give every day.

00:55:46.400 And I'm just really grateful for that.

00:55:48.000 This person writes, grateful to Charlie to have met you.

00:55:51.020 I'm grateful that I met Charlie.

00:55:52.320 We had such a great time.

00:55:53.100 Like I told you, I am able to like laugh again and appreciate.

00:55:57.960 And I'm just in a different space with it now.

00:56:00.600 Like it took me going to Spain and shutting off and I don't know, something just transformed and I'm going, OK, like I can look at the messages and feel happiness as opposed to like the deep, deep, deep sadness and searching.

00:56:15.640 Like I'm remembering so many little things and just Charlie's character and the stuff that he, like the real Charlie, you know, not the Turning Point USA machine who was infiltrated and kind of turned into a workhorse.

00:56:30.740 He was great, man.

00:56:32.120 I wish all of you guys did know the real Charlie.

00:56:35.460 Kai writes, stay strong.

00:56:36.900 We love you and we have your back.

00:56:38.760 Thank you, Kai.

00:56:39.420 Brooke writes, you carry truth like it costs you nothing when we all know it costs you everything.

00:56:43.280 That's what real courage looks like.

00:56:44.560 Like you've given so many of us the nerve

00:56:45.740 to think clearly again in a world built to punish that.

00:56:48.160 Go Max, baby, Christ is king.

00:56:50.080 Thank you, Brooke.

00:56:50.500 That is really, really sweet.

00:56:52.160 And it has cost a lot over this last couple of years.

00:56:56.840 It definitely has literally cost a lot

00:56:59.140 over the last couple of years,

00:57:00.360 but we've gained a lot and we've gained more.

00:57:02.320 I mean, we've gained friendships.

00:57:03.720 And I was thinking the other day, like...

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00:57:34.980 That sadness that I felt thinking that Charlie's last days were spent sort of waking up and realizing that everything in his life was a fiction, a play.

00:57:43.760 a movie. Now I feel a swell of an emotion realizing that Charlie, he never got to meet

00:57:49.180 these friends, but Charlie had a lot of friends, man. He's still a trending topic and people are

00:57:54.340 dedicating their lives to this. And what would Charlie say? He can see it. I have to think that

00:58:00.700 Charlie can see it. And he's seeing the Baron Coleman's. And last night I was jumping in the

00:58:04.780 chat of Lionel Nation and seeing how much people care about him. Like he did have friends and he

00:58:11.260 has friends and i don't know i just i just wanted to say that like that makes me feel better just

00:58:16.020 to see like you know if charlie was not a real person that was what he earned that's what he

00:58:20.300 was building towards that's the account that he was building was that when he died some people

00:58:24.040 were spiritually impacted by it that they've been staying on this journey to learn the truth about

00:58:28.340 what happened his death meant something it means something and that is only because he was such a

00:58:33.780 good person and and he he lived honorably so please do not accept the filth that andrew colbert

00:58:39.240 is selling, that Charlie was some liar and secretly he hated everybody and was deceitful 0.52

00:58:44.200 and working behind the scenes. That's not who he was. Natty Nicole writes, Candice, I saw a 15-minute 0.92

00:58:50.180 compilation video of you and Charlie laughing together on YouTube and it painted such a

00:58:53.920 beautiful picture for those who weren't around back then. How dare they attempt to erase that?

00:58:58.980 I pray for you always. I have not seen that. Where is that? Where is this? You got to try to find

00:59:04.260 that, Sky. I have no idea where that is. Or Ashley, if you could look that up. I did not.

00:59:09.280 I'm ready to see it. I was not in a place emotionally where I could watch the clips

00:59:13.980 of me and Charlie. And I told you guys that instantly. We laughed like no other. We had

00:59:19.720 names for everybody, names for ourselves. He made fun of himself. He was so self-deprecating.

00:59:25.540 I could send him people making fun of him and be like, ha, ha, ha, this is so accurate. This is

00:59:30.820 you and he could send me things of people making fun of me um it's that which is the best quality

00:59:35.140 when you can laugh at yourself and not take yourself too seriously and um yeah i'm i think

00:59:41.140 i could be prepared to watch that it was there were we went everywhere together we really did

00:59:45.140 and it yeah i don't know there's nothing really else to say about that but i i look forward to

00:59:49.660 watching that uh oh you found it let's let's uh pull that up i want to see what it's called

00:59:55.860 never be an option and also surround yourself with people like candace that whatever you're

01:00:02.680 doing that can relate no i just want to see the first minute you say something that um they're

01:00:09.060 going to tell you you know the truth and they're gonna be honest um but they'll also have your

01:00:12.560 back and i understand this might sound um cliche but it's so hard to find that right it's so hard

01:00:17.180 to find that kind of loyalty that um you know the kind of the old expression is you know when

01:00:22.180 you're in a foxhole you want you want someone who is not going to tell you that there's no

01:00:26.720 bullets being fired you want just to say where the bullets are coming from right yeah yeah that's

01:00:30.120 exactly right yeah you don't want someone in the foxhole with you being like well you want to get

01:00:33.680 a hot dog like maybe a burger a smoothie you want to say no no there's a machine gun nest over there

01:00:38.720 there's mortar shells coming from there right here's what we're going to do here's a plan of

01:00:42.220 action to get out of this exactly right and and um that's the type of friend that you want and

01:00:46.680 you definitely don't want one that's going to run for the hills behind you yeah and you're

01:00:49.540 So I want to jump into some of these questions.

01:01:00.920 Sure.

01:01:01.440 We could go on forever.

01:01:02.460 This could be a five-hour podcast.

01:01:04.280 Yeah, we're going to end up.

01:01:05.620 I'll watch that when we get off air.

01:01:07.320 I actually am going to watch the full 15 minutes of that.

01:01:09.900 That's fantastic.

01:01:10.740 Whoever did that, Desiree, it looks like.

01:01:13.060 Thank you so much for putting that together.

01:01:14.860 That's really meaningful.

01:01:16.240 I didn't have the heart to do it myself.

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01:01:33.520 We can't accept anti-Candacism.

01:01:35.840 It's eating away at our society.

01:01:37.820 It's a hate that mutates, as we've seen.

01:01:40.360 It's crazy.

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01:02:00.780 um you know this podcast means a lot to me it's like my personal therapy it's allows me to vent

01:02:05.260 about all of the attacks that come after me that are you know these people that come after me and

01:02:10.380 It seems unfair, but I also know that

01:02:13.620 God doesn't give you anything more than you can handle.

01:02:16.800 You know, God gives you exactly what you can handle

01:02:18.820 and we are handling this and yeah, it's okay.

01:02:23.760 It is going to be okay.

01:02:26.640 All right, you guys, we are a little overboard tomorrow.

01:02:28.560 As promised, we are going to get into

01:02:30.040 who Ben Shapiro was lunching with.

01:02:32.020 Very interesting story.

01:02:33.940 We'll see you guys then.

01:02:40.380 Thank you.

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