Candace Owens - July 21, 2026


Erika Kirk Calls Me ＂That B＊tch”. More Exclusive Photos From Charlie's SUV. ｜ Ep 363


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00:00:30.000 All right, you guys, happy Tuesday. So rather unexpectedly, yesterday I was informed by a Daily Mail reporter who was seeking comment that Erica Kirk was about to go on the attack against me in the press.
00:00:42.460 the article did drop yesterday evening, and it is quite shocking. Erica, according to a family
00:00:49.920 friend, refers to me as that B-I-T-C-H, that B, in the privacy, I guess, of her own comfort of her
00:00:59.380 home and at the office. I actually quite appreciated the article, and I'm going to
00:01:04.160 tell you why that is. But first, we have two more never-before-seen photos of the SUV that Charlie
00:01:10.520 was transported to the hospital in and there's another interesting object that might complicate
00:01:16.020 or perhaps further clarify matters of what happened.
00:01:20.360 Also, if you are paying attention, Turning Point is attempting to shift the public discussion
00:01:26.900 in a very dangerous way.
00:01:29.580 They keep equating what they term to be conspiracy theories about Charlie's death, what they
00:01:35.200 mean is people asking questions, with Sandy Hook victims.
00:01:40.520 They're calling this like Sandy Hook victimization.
00:01:43.000 They're signaling, again, if you are paying attention,
00:01:46.800 that they want people or maybe just one particular person
00:01:50.100 to be bankrupted for asking meaningful questions
00:01:54.120 about their founder's death.
00:01:56.440 So we should discuss that.
00:01:57.640 It's very important.
00:01:59.360 Welcome back to Candace.
00:02:10.520 Where to begin? Well, let's begin with that car ride to the hospital, that increasingly
00:02:20.140 complicated, approximately seven-minute ride to the hospital, approximate seven minutes, right?
00:02:26.260 As usual, I would like to simply have answers provided. Look, I don't want to be the person
00:02:32.320 that's constantly on a hunt for basic answers. That's not a good use of my time. That's my most
00:02:37.100 precious resource, by the way, time. I want to be working on side quests like helping Blakey Neff
00:02:43.240 remember what he was doing in Salt Lake City that morning, who he was with. I want to waste my time
00:02:49.620 having to referee fights between Frank Churek and Frank Churek. I'd rather not do that. I'd rather
00:02:54.820 we all just sit down for an open and public forum where every question is asked and the public gets
00:03:00.740 to consume that and everyone can feel better and end this quest. But of course, from the very
00:03:06.840 beginning, as we have all seen, Turning Point USA employees and Charlie Kirk Show employees
00:03:11.360 have just been stonewalling us, right? It's been the opposite of helpful. They have not been
00:03:17.740 forthcoming about anything. They're growing increasingly accusatory. They just want us
00:03:23.220 to honor Charlie by honoring the widow with our cold, hard cash. That is what the messaging has
00:03:31.280 felt like. I cannot do that. In fact, I have failed at obeying that mandate. Rather, in the
00:03:37.860 very beginning of this thing, I have been gathering information and evidence, which I thought initially
00:03:43.080 and many would think that Turning Point USA would be grateful for, that that's what they would be
00:03:46.820 using their resources for. If you're going to overwork people at Turning Point USA and tell
00:03:52.020 your employees to get to the office, why not just gather every piece of information you can about
00:03:57.220 that day. I'd prefer that over a t-shirt and a tent. Anyway, we continue. We persist. And today
00:04:07.680 we do so with two more never-before-seen photos of the SUV that transported Charlie to the hospital.
00:04:13.760 And I'm going to show you the first. Here it is. So this is, to be clear, the back seat door,
00:04:24.900 left side, driver side, and it is what is shoved into that little pocket there that
00:04:33.660 has caught our eye. What is in that door compartment? Let's zoom in.
00:04:40.580 Well, now we cannot definitively state what it is. What I can tell you is that across the board
00:04:47.220 in our little orbit, at home, independent, double blind study, if you will, everyone immediately
00:04:53.920 saw a glove, myself included. Take that for what it's worth. I mean, I went out to my husband,
00:04:58.880 zoomed in, gave him no context as usual. I said, what do you see, honey? And he said,
00:05:02.480 a leather glove. Someone else said nitrile gloves. I sent it to Baron Coleman. He said, gloves.
00:05:09.640 The material of the glove has varied, but no one has offered anything else in terms of what they
00:05:15.340 see. And so we just decided to grab some gloves, right? One leather, one nitrile, and took a look
00:05:25.400 at that. When I say nitrile gloves, think like chef gloves that you see them wearing. That's a
00:05:30.100 nitrile glove that's kind of made from a synthetic rubber. So we decided to take our little experiment
00:05:35.280 further because I was then going, that looks like it's just folded on itself. That looks like it's
00:05:40.960 the entry to the glove. Someone just took off their gloves and threw it in there. We decided
00:05:47.180 to do some science here. We can recreate it. I have nitrile gloves. We decided to then just drop
00:05:53.580 some in a car door for comparison, and here is what we came up with. There you go. That is in
00:06:00.300 our door. We'll show you again. That is in our door. We'll show you again. That's our door,
00:06:07.020 nitrile gloves and again, our door nitrile gloves. I think we can do a side-by-side. Did we do a
00:06:13.020 side-by-side for comparison? And in order to get that image, just to be clear, we had to wear the
00:06:20.140 glove, have somebody wear the glove, take off the glove like this. So that top that you're seeing is
00:06:26.000 technically inside out, right? And then just thrown into the side like so. We didn't have
00:06:33.360 the exact same car. Obviously, that's a smaller compartment. Ours is wider.
00:06:40.140 I think it looks like it's a glove.
00:06:47.700 Which, of course, leads us to the next question. Why would there be a glove,
00:06:54.540 any kind of glove for that matter, put into the side of the car there? It's a good question,
00:06:59.560 right? And again, I'd like to note that this glove is located inside of the left side rear
00:07:05.680 doors where Rick Cutler was seated. And you should also note that in general, the door,
00:07:11.760 we can take that wide shot again, it's relatively clean, right? This is a relatively clean door.
00:07:20.440 So I don't think this particular side of the door, I should say any blood soaked men who needed to
00:07:27.340 be changed into surgeon scrubs exited through this door. I think that would be a fair guess
00:07:36.580 by looking at this. And again, this is in the immediate aftermath. This is not after the car
00:07:40.660 is cleaned up. And I can make that apparent in the next picture. Anyway, the only place that we
00:07:47.360 could see blood on this door was just there at the handle. So we're zooming in so you can see that.
00:07:52.480 I'm not sure how gloves, nitrile gloves, would fit into the story. We're not going to say those
00:08:01.020 are Brian Harples. Obviously, his hands were already bloodied. Is he going to jump in and
00:08:04.880 put on gloves? That makes entirely no sense. Why would you do that? Why would you then put on
00:08:09.840 nitrile gloves and then hand them over to be put onto the opposite side of where you were sitting?
00:08:14.880 That doesn't make any sense that he would have on gloves, in my opinion.
00:08:22.480 outside of keeping your fingerprints off of something,
00:08:27.720 who would put on gloves, if those are gloves?
00:08:31.400 You know what I was thinking?
00:08:32.120 I was thinking, where are those scissors
00:08:33.160 that Brian Harpole used to cut Charlie's shirt?
00:08:37.320 Did the Fed seize those scissors?
00:08:39.840 He said he cut the shirt.
00:08:40.940 Whose scissors did he use?
00:08:41.820 Were the hospital scissors?
00:08:42.560 That's a question I guess I could ask in court.
00:08:45.320 Where are those scissors?
00:08:47.140 Did Brian Harpole cut the shirt?
00:08:48.380 Did somebody else cut the shirt in the car?
00:08:49.980 because that was a that was one of a people thought that could have been a shirt in that
00:08:55.720 backseat on the side which right you know that would have been rick cutler's side in the back
00:09:01.940 seat did somebody else cut his shirt i don't know everything remains plausible when people are
00:09:12.960 telling i'm sorry how did frank churik term it not contradicting stories they're just having
00:09:18.200 different memories of the same event, which is normal. When people are having different
00:09:22.640 memories of the same event, everything remains plausible. Here is a second never-before-seen
00:09:32.100 photo, and it's another shot of that mysterious object that many people, surgeons included,
00:09:40.200 have identified as a burned shirt. Again, we can't say that definitively, but I'll tell you
00:09:45.040 what I like about this photo before we get close to it. Maybe it is a burned shirt, maybe it's
00:09:48.140 not a burned shirt. I don't know. Just like I don't know why the feds would want this car
00:09:54.120 immediately released, towed, cleaned up, and resold so fast. None of that makes any sense to
00:09:58.320 me. Why wasn't the car impounded for evidence? Anyhow, this second photo is actually very clear
00:10:06.120 and allows us to zoom in on that item. And you can see we're back, the mints are back there,
00:10:12.140 and you can just get a clearer picture of that item
00:10:15.960 that is in that back seat,
00:10:18.280 which some people believe to be the remnants of a shirt.
00:10:23.000 Some people are messaging us and saying,
00:10:24.640 Candace, that's very clearly the letters on the Freedom shirt.
00:10:27.680 Well, have at it.
00:10:30.200 Another shot.
00:10:33.300 I don't know what to think,
00:10:34.520 but I do believe that since no one has been convicted of this crime,
00:10:39.600 it is our right to continue to investigate it and to assist, hopefully, the prosecution and the
00:10:47.060 defense. Truth. I just want to assist whoever actually wants the truth with evidence that I
00:10:54.920 don't think the public was ever meant to see. Maybe they were, maybe throughout the court case
00:11:00.640 this stuff was going to come out. I have to say there is a lot that is now growing increasingly
00:11:07.340 curious about that day, that ride to the hospital, other rides to the hospital. For example, recently
00:11:13.540 on his show, Baron Coleman pulled a clip of Blake Neff arriving to the hospital with Danny
00:11:17.540 Phillip. That's Charlie's second assistant, third assistant, Mikey McCoy and Nate Walker.
00:11:24.220 We're going to get to that clip in a moment, but it made me revisit Mikey McCoy's call logs. Like
00:11:28.940 I said, we're at this stage in the investigation now where it's good to pause and reflect and go
00:11:32.640 back and remember the things that we were told, things that we found out. And initially, when I
00:11:37.600 sat down with Erica, I did not know who Danny Phillip was. How could I have known? He was new,
00:11:42.720 right? New as in started working full-time in May after he graduated out of school.
00:11:47.300 I think I did meet him a long time ago when he was working for the Ohio State chapter,
00:11:52.280 worth the Ohio State chapter, but I didn't know he was working with Turning Point USA full-time.
00:11:55.740 And I made an assumption that Danny Phillip was someone that Mikey was making calls to back in
00:12:02.060 Arizona after the assassination. So I was like, oh wait, actually that's kind of weird to know
00:12:07.420 a little bit, not maybe weird, but that changes things certainly to know that Danny Phillip and
00:12:11.520 Mikey were both at the event together. So just to jog your memory and hopefully to jog Blake Neff's
00:12:17.680 memory, Danny Phillip, Charlie's new assistant, showed up to the event with Blake Neff in an SUV.
00:12:23.420 So two SUVs were rented by Mikey McCoy in Salt Lake City and Blake Neff and Danny got into one
00:12:30.600 SUV they don't remember, or Blake Neff, I shouldn't speak for Danny, Blake Neff doesn't remember where
00:12:34.660 they went in Salt Lake City. Charlie went to the restaurantology event. He had Mikey McCoy and
00:12:40.260 Nate Walker with him. And then they all went to Provo for this event. Now, I believe that Danny
00:12:49.680 was driving the SUV. I feel like I saw that somewhere. I did not fact check that myself.
00:12:53.720 But Danny and Blake Neff were in that second SUV together. I don't know if there were other people
00:12:58.300 there. What we do know is that Danny and Blake were standing on opposite sides of the tent when
00:13:04.160 the sound of the explosive rang out. Danny Phillip was standing next to Butch Hibbs. So that's on
00:13:10.540 Charlie's right side. You can see him there next to Butch Hibbs. And Blake was, as we all know,
00:13:16.880 standing next to Mikey McCoy on Charlie's left side. Now, after that sound rang out, Blake is
00:13:24.220 the first to gallop away, as one would expect. He sort of prances forward. Mikey, as we know,
00:13:29.940 immediately presses his phone to his ear and walks away and calls his wife, Elizabeth. Never mind
00:13:36.420 that for weeks following the assassination, everyone lies about that. They tell us repeatedly
00:13:42.740 that he immediately called Erica, as he was trained to do by Charlie. Everywhere he was
00:13:47.300 trained, he did exactly what he was supposed to do, immediately called Erica. Erica, even in
00:13:50.400 And the New York Times interview that she gave eight days later said that at 11.23, obviously adjusting for time, 12.23, I guess, in local time, Utah, 11.23, her time, she was looking at her phone and within seconds, Mikey called her.
00:14:08.760 Then we found out months later that actually, no, Mikey called his own wife first and Erica was added to that phone call three minutes later.
00:14:15.540 So we're going to take a look at those phone calls as I run you further through the timeline.
00:14:20.480 This is Mikey McCoy's call logs.
00:14:23.360 So just two minutes after Charlie is hit at 1225, Blake and Mikey are back together and they're speaking and coordinating.
00:14:35.060 We know this because Blake, who now suffers from various bouts of amnesia, at one point remembered that part very clearly.
00:14:43.100 Take a listen.
00:14:44.520 I was not with Mikey, or I don't remember being with him.
00:14:47.600 I think I was ahead of him as we left.
00:14:49.880 And then we get out, and I run for,
00:14:52.460 must have, can't have been more than 15 or 20 seconds.
00:14:55.700 And then I realized there hasn't been another shot,
00:14:57.940 so the shooter has likely been detained or stopped or something,
00:15:01.400 not in immediate danger.
00:15:02.860 I pause, I look around me, and I see Mikey.
00:15:05.840 And I see Mikey there.
00:15:06.760 And I'll never, truthfully, I will never forget what I saw,
00:15:09.560 because I've seen Mikey almost every day for the past two years.
00:15:13.180 I know his personality very well
00:15:15.260 he's a very bubbly guy
00:15:16.680 he's a very happy guy
00:15:18.060 almost all of the time
00:15:19.160 and I'll never forget what I saw
00:15:21.400 because it was clear in the moment
00:15:24.080 that he was profoundly freaked out
00:15:27.340 what I'll always remember
00:15:28.180 is the way his lip was quivering
00:15:29.880 which I'd never seen before
00:15:31.340 and you very rarely see from someone
00:15:33.660 that he was freaking out
00:15:35.560 and then I think he literally said to me
00:15:37.580 I might be imagining this
00:15:39.180 but I think what he literally said was
00:15:40.340 he was looking around
00:15:42.200 And then he says, I need to call Erica.
00:15:46.120 And then he takes his phone and he begins calling Erica.
00:15:50.200 And I don't want to disclose how that call unfolded.
00:15:53.320 But he did that.
00:15:54.240 This, you know, your mind extends all of this.
00:15:57.020 But that is happening within a minute of all of this occurring.
00:16:00.880 I remember he calls Erica.
00:16:02.740 I around the same time I pull out my phone and I call my mom just to say,
00:16:06.740 Mom, there's been a shooting.
00:16:08.380 You're going to see it on the news.
00:16:09.260 I'm okay.
00:16:10.280 You know, pray for me.
00:16:11.440 I've got to go.
00:16:11.940 And I remember that call. And around the time I put that phone away, and then he immediately calls his dad. He calls Robin McCoy. And he says, Dad, someone shot Charlie. You need to call all of your pastor friends. Charlie was hit. We need everyone to pray right now. And that's what he told him.
00:16:30.540 okay so yeah he just forgot the part where he was already on the phone with his wife
00:16:37.980 mikey's discussion with erica we know lasted less than two minutes the fact that has always
00:16:44.320 kind of bothered me i would have questions perhaps but you know who is to judge that
00:16:49.600 immediate trauma of getting that news we do know that she's going to say i effing knew it
00:16:54.300 right that's what she tells i believe jesse waters that's certainly what she told the new
00:16:58.860 York Times. She knew it. But I digress because the big thing that I wanted to point out is this phone
00:17:04.940 call with Danny Phillip, who was presumably with them. Why on earth did Danny and Mikey
00:17:12.180 jump on the phone for a full 10 minutes in the middle of this chaos? So let's pull that back up.
00:17:19.380 Let's pull that timeline, please. He's right. He calls Rob and merges that call. They're on
00:17:25.640 all these three-way calls. And then he ends his phone call with Rob McCoy. He ends his phone call
00:17:30.140 with Elizabeth McCoy. That gives us a total of like, he's on the phone with his wife for nine
00:17:35.280 minutes, 10 minutes. And then Danny calls Mikey and they stay on the phone for 10 minutes.
00:17:43.160 They're together. Blake Neff rode with Danny. That's the only SUV that is left. They all ran
00:17:49.340 in the exact same direction,
00:17:51.420 this suddenly registers to me
00:17:53.820 as an extraordinarily long phone call
00:17:56.620 in the middle of this mayhem,
00:17:58.100 a long phone call.
00:18:00.100 A lot of things going on,
00:18:01.360 a lot of people to speak to the person next to you.
00:18:05.540 Now, maybe Justin Strife,
00:18:07.800 we have a couple options here.
00:18:08.600 Maybe Justin Strife and Erica lied to me
00:18:09.920 and it wasn't Danny Phillip
00:18:12.060 that he was on the phone with.
00:18:13.120 I don't know.
00:18:13.720 I don't think so.
00:18:15.300 But I can't make sense of that phone call
00:18:16.940 in the middle of everything
00:18:17.800 when they're together.
00:18:18.920 Danny, Blake, and Mikey all run in the same direction. They get into the same car. Their
00:18:23.960 cars are parked right next to one another's. What are they conversing about for 10 full minutes?
00:18:28.440 We do know that they then all arrive at the hospital together around 1 o'clock PM-ish. Blake
00:18:34.360 says they arrived 25 minutes later. I'm going to forgive him that. I mean, you're estimating at
00:18:38.020 that point. And we know that it's actually about 1 PM because the local news caught a live feed of
00:18:46.280 them walking into Timpanogos Hospital. And this is what Barron Holman was covering because they
00:18:51.580 don't seem to be shaken. They're all just kind of walking casually. And we can show you that
00:18:58.380 new segment here. Take a listen. We have a lot of news still to cover here. We want to show you
00:19:04.120 live pictures, which we've just gotten into the Fox 5 Atlanta newsroom out of Utah, where we're
00:19:10.760 Continuing to follow developments surrounding the shooting of Republican activist Charlie Kirk,
00:19:18.160 who was on a campus nearby talking to students, as he frequently does.
00:19:24.160 He is the leader of the Republican youth movement.
00:19:27.220 President Trump called him instrumental in getting him reelected as president.
00:19:32.120 It was a shooting today, and Charlie Kirk's representatives confirming that he was shot and is being treated at this hospital.
00:19:39.740 So we're staying on top of developments there out of Utah as we continue.
00:19:45.220 We're also going to speak to Senator John Ossoff coming up here in this hour.
00:19:51.060 I spoke to the senator not too long ago.
00:19:53.000 He had some very interesting things to say.
00:19:55.660 If you'll give me a moment, I'm just being handed information from President Trump regarding this shooting of Republican activist Charlie Kirk.
00:20:06.260 We must all pray for Charlie Kirk, who has been shot.
00:20:10.740 A great guy from top to bottom.
00:20:13.620 God bless him in all caps.
00:20:16.300 That from President Trump.
00:20:19.920 That is what allows us to date what time they walked into Timpanogos, because that tweet from Trump went out at 1.02 p.m.
00:20:27.700 And he gets interrupted, so you allow for some time for them, for his producer to print it.
00:20:33.160 He's doing live updates, and they're like, here, this just went out.
00:20:35.680 And you can see it says 2.02 because we're pulling this in our time zone.
00:20:41.440 It was 1.02 p.m. that it went out local time.
00:20:44.500 Again, I'm always adjusting to Utah when I'm speaking about September 10th just to make things easier.
00:20:49.020 So, yeah, that allows us to know what time they shut up.
00:20:53.520 And I'm being so genuine here and looking for answers.
00:20:57.460 Maybe it was another conference call that they were all conferencing.
00:21:00.600 It seems that might make sense.
00:21:03.020 a bunch of Turning Point employees decided to jump on a conference call and coordinate,
00:21:08.880 and it was initiated by Danny Phillip somehow in the middle. But it's something that I'm thinking
00:21:15.840 about. That's a long phone call, a longer phone call than you had with both your wife and Erica,
00:21:22.180 who I feel would be wanting more details or wanting more answers. Who knows?
00:21:29.260 a lot's happening right now. And I was asking myself the question, what in particular transpired
00:21:37.780 while I was in Spain? Because it feels like a Zionist going out of business sale. You know
00:21:43.960 what I mean? You know, when a store is going out of business and things look and feel chaotic,
00:21:49.680 bright signs that read everything must go, buy one, get everything else free, take it now,
00:21:55.360 doors are closing forever. That's kind of the only way I can describe this press cycle. Like
00:22:01.320 management doesn't actually care because they're about to lose their jobs anyway. No one is
00:22:06.440 available on the floor to help you. Andrew Colvette is management. He's back of house
00:22:11.820 calling his brother. Reverend Johnny Moore is working corporate, dropping digital assassin
00:22:16.900 articles aimed at me, blaming his competitors. Ben Shapiro is on the phone receiving updates,
00:22:23.420 but he's totally not involved, guys.
00:22:25.380 Totally not.
00:22:25.880 Just curious about why they're having a going-out-of-sale business.
00:22:29.380 Blake Neff is the creepy window shopper.
00:22:32.220 Just keeps walking by the windows.
00:22:33.900 He can't remember why.
00:22:35.600 Everything just feels like it's going to hell in a handbasket.
00:22:40.080 So after 10 months of the Christian grift,
00:22:44.460 the Ali Stuckys, the Dana Lashes,
00:22:46.540 the Honor, the Widow presentations,
00:22:49.660 Erica is apparently done playing the role.
00:22:52.240 And I have told you since earlier this year
00:22:54.560 that she's the one directing the show
00:22:56.000 from behind the scenes.
00:22:56.980 She's nasty behind the scenes.
00:22:58.580 She calls people's priests.
00:23:00.860 That's extraordinarily, that's extraordinary.
00:23:02.620 That's just something you should know.
00:23:04.000 She personally took credit for having Matt Walsh
00:23:07.580 cancel his in-person appearance
00:23:10.260 at the Catholic prayer event for Catholic for Catholics
00:23:13.440 just because I was attending.
00:23:15.140 That's a fact.
00:23:16.080 That's not my organization.
00:23:17.520 He transformed what was supposed to be his appearance
00:23:20.240 into a video message instead
00:23:21.780 because Erica was upset that I was going to be present.
00:23:25.700 This was not a political event.
00:23:27.080 It was literally a prayer.
00:23:29.280 I spoke very briefly about my conversion to the faith
00:23:33.300 and my initial hangup about the Blessed Mary.
00:23:37.340 And to be clear, like I said,
00:23:40.500 Catholics for Catholics is not my organization.
00:23:42.280 She wanted to hurt another organization
00:23:44.560 simply because I was going to be present.
00:23:48.020 A small organization weighed against her,
00:23:50.980 her power, her connection. White House was making phone calls because she doesn't like me.
00:23:56.660 She explicitly told people that it was, and I quote, a woke Reich event. That's a term that I
00:24:04.140 first heard come out of BBNet and Yahoo's mouth for clarity. I remember that. The woke Reich we
00:24:08.140 got to come after. He had all the American influencers around him. It is not a term
00:24:13.380 that Charlie Kirk ever used. So it's been difficult knowing that than having to watch
00:24:20.220 her publicly pretend that she doesn't get involved, that she doesn't play petty politics
00:24:24.100 or know what's happening. She's too busy working. It was part and parcel of my assessment that she's
00:24:30.800 a psychopath because that's really fake. She watches everything. She watches every moment.
00:24:36.020 She watches me and she has been directing the attacks against me since the beginning,
00:24:41.360 alongside Andrew Colvett, who's now gone masked down. Before I was even aware, right, I presumed
00:24:46.280 these people were allies. And then I found out, thanks to them firing a bunch of people,
00:24:50.880 that they were calling the shots. They knew I was going to be a problem from the very beginning
00:24:54.100 because I'm not going to get in line with an absurd narrative. I need to know the truth about
00:24:57.280 what happened to Charlie Kirk. Okay? Now, I want to also make it clear, I have never done that. I
00:25:02.420 have never engaged in that. I have never made personal phone calls and asked influencers to
00:25:06.460 support me. I've never asked people to not attend any turning point events. To the contrary, and
00:25:11.460 dare I say, true to the philosophy, which was held deeply by Charlie Kirk himself, I think people
00:25:15.680 should go and debate these people.
00:25:17.520 If you have disagreement,
00:25:19.220 as Charlotte and I said repeatedly on many stages,
00:25:21.720 you should be welcome to the front of the line.
00:25:23.820 But this is a brand new organization since its passing,
00:25:26.260 one that makes personal and public calls
00:25:29.540 to my advertisers to be dropped.
00:25:32.920 So rich that they're like,
00:25:34.180 you're a commie, Candace.
00:25:36.240 Someone tweeted, I think their COO,
00:25:38.320 this is Marina Mina,
00:25:40.140 tweeted that the other day.
00:25:40.720 I'm going, you guys are literally
00:25:42.460 responding to the free markets
00:25:44.680 by saying the free markets need to be stopped
00:25:46.460 and making private phone calls to advertisers.
00:25:50.760 This is an organization that now believes
00:25:53.280 that words are violence, right?
00:25:55.320 That questioning Erica means
00:25:57.340 that you are inviting people to murder her
00:25:59.340 in utter nonsense.
00:26:00.520 I will say it until I'm blue in the face.
00:26:02.160 I want no harm to come not only to Erica Kirk,
00:26:05.480 to anybody at Turning Point USA,
00:26:06.620 not Andrew Colbert, not Blake Neff.
00:26:08.480 As we discuss these people,
00:26:10.140 I'm comfortable with them discussing me.
00:26:13.360 I want answers.
00:26:14.680 I don't want anybody to be hurt.
00:26:17.120 I wish only for the absolute truth to surface
00:26:20.120 about who really killed my friend, Charlie Kirk, and why.
00:26:24.260 Again, that should make us natural allies.
00:26:26.140 For some reason, it does not.
00:26:28.600 But I have to say that I did genuinely appreciate
00:26:30.640 the article, which was dropped in the Daily Mail.
00:26:32.780 It arrived as a breath of fresh air
00:26:35.240 because this is, we get to see the real Erica.
00:26:38.800 Here is the extraordinary headline.
00:26:40.180 Erica hates Candace Owens.
00:26:42.500 She thinks she's the ugliest person in the world,
00:26:44.420 a soulless ghoul. Charlie Kirk's family reveal Widow's private tirades against the podcaster
00:26:49.940 that she refers to as that bi. I'm not going to curse here. So for clarity, a ghoul in Middle
00:26:58.880 Eastern folklore is a demonic being that haunts burial grounds and deserted places. Traditionally,
00:27:04.960 these creatures were said to have the ability to shapeshift, to lure travelers into the desert,
00:27:09.960 and to consume the flesh of both children and the dead.
00:27:14.020 A strong occult start
00:27:16.260 to what is sure to be a promising article
00:27:19.120 on how we felt about the people surrounding Charlie.
00:27:24.360 Soul suckers a little bit, right?
00:27:27.560 And for those of you that are wondering
00:27:28.760 if the story is actually attributable,
00:27:30.400 meaning like, is this just a gossip piece in the Daily Mail?
00:27:32.880 You would do well to remember that Turning Point USA
00:27:34.900 turned to the Daily Mail exclusively
00:27:36.860 to clean up their Charlie GPT Aspen mess.
00:27:40.440 They gave them special access to see the unedited clip
00:27:43.660 that the public still has not seen
00:27:45.140 so that their journalist could then turn and tell the world,
00:27:47.960 you can trust the video totally exists, it's real.
00:27:50.920 Charlie really did pick Erica to run the company
00:27:52.880 in the event of his untimely death,
00:27:55.320 which unfortunately just so happened to transpire
00:27:57.440 just three short weeks later.
00:27:59.100 Remember that?
00:27:59.660 They went to the Daily Mail.
00:28:01.840 That demonstrates a real PR relationship
00:28:04.400 between Turning Point USA and the Mail.
00:28:06.140 and as another point, the author of this piece
00:28:08.240 reached out to Turning Point's spokespeople for comment
00:28:11.740 and they declined to give a comment.
00:28:14.340 That is an opportunity for them to issue a statement
00:28:16.700 saying this is not true,
00:28:17.680 we have no idea what you're talking about.
00:28:18.780 Instead, they just declined to add to the article
00:28:20.720 so we can assume this is real
00:28:21.940 and they list a family friend as a source initially
00:28:25.840 and then elsewhere in the article,
00:28:27.240 they say a family member.
00:28:28.360 At the beginning, it says a family friend.
00:28:31.680 I think that's probably gonna be
00:28:32.980 a Tracy Martin-esque character
00:28:35.000 given the fact that she's the one person that I know
00:28:38.920 that's close to Erica, is a friend,
00:28:40.980 and is also close to Erica's family, namely Lori.
00:28:44.760 She's actually the only person that I know.
00:28:47.260 My guess would be Tracy Martin
00:28:49.020 because she's also been the driver
00:28:50.080 behind other wacky pieces that Us Magazine won,
00:28:53.200 but who knows?
00:28:53.860 That's not the point.
00:28:54.480 It doesn't really matter.
00:28:55.280 We don't have to speculate as to who the family friend is.
00:28:57.900 Let's just stick with the facts, okay?
00:29:00.080 So the piece opens up by letting us know
00:29:02.360 that Erica has remarkable compassion
00:29:05.440 for Tyler Robinson and his family.
00:29:08.640 I kid you not.
00:29:09.360 It says, quote,
00:29:10.360 when Erica arrived in a tiny Utah courtroom
00:29:12.620 earlier this month to face her husband's alleged killer,
00:29:16.520 she expected to be overcome with rage.
00:29:18.280 It was the first time she had come face-to-face
00:29:20.020 with Tyler Robinson,
00:29:20.880 the man accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk
00:29:23.340 at the speaking event at Utah Valley University
00:29:25.840 10 months ago.
00:29:26.560 And yet, in place of anger,
00:29:28.660 Erica instead felt an overwhelming sense of sadness.
00:29:32.360 compassion even, for 23-year-old Robinson and his family, according to two sources that are close
00:29:38.560 to the Kirks. Quote, she was really concerned about being in the same room as him. She didn't
00:29:43.640 know what she was going to feel. She said that a lot, one family friend exclusively told the Daily
00:29:48.320 Mail. She thought that she was really going to be angry and mad to really hate him, but she didn't.
00:29:52.660 She just felt really sad. Overwhelming sadness is what she called it. It made her grieve even more.
00:29:58.940 She didn't want to fight with him or his family, she said.
00:30:02.060 She almost felt compassion for Tyler Robinson and definitely for his family because it's
00:30:06.960 just so sad that two families were destroyed on that day.
00:30:11.900 So compassion for Tyler Robinson again.
00:30:15.820 She felt it instantly in her aftermath, you could say.
00:30:19.640 She demonstrated forgiveness immediately at least.
00:30:22.680 And now she's demonstrating it again in a courtroom with him.
00:30:25.240 And by the way, I echo that sentiment.
00:30:28.140 because I feel like the entire world knows
00:30:29.900 that he didn't commit this crime.
00:30:31.120 So how kind of Erica to feel compassion for the person
00:30:33.400 that they are considering murdering, to be clear,
00:30:37.960 for something that he didn't do.
00:30:39.740 I haven't seen any convincing evidence
00:30:41.680 that Tyler Robinson committed this crime.
00:30:44.000 So compassion would be the right thing to feel.
00:30:48.400 I want you to understand that, by the way.
00:30:49.700 These influencers are calling
00:30:51.380 for the murder of an innocent man.
00:30:55.120 We should deeply understand that.
00:30:58.140 OK, Tyler Robinson will receive the death penalty if he is found guilty.
00:31:03.880 So I think I found your soulless ghouls, Erica.
00:31:06.060 It's unimaginable to me to call for the execution of an innocent man without literal overwhelming evidence.
00:31:14.680 After the public execution of another innocent man, when they say these statements like case closed on the basis of one hearing where we are shown nothing close to concrete evidence,
00:31:27.160 or when they pretend that they are being submerged, overwhelmed,
00:31:31.860 that is precisely what they are doing.
00:31:33.700 It is so evil.
00:31:34.380 They are calling for the state to murder Tyler Robinson.
00:31:40.040 I want you to put that in your mind when you read it.
00:31:42.480 They want Tyler Robinson to be murdered.
00:31:45.020 Case closed, murder Tyler Robinson.
00:31:47.280 That's what they're saying.
00:31:48.760 Sick.
00:31:49.240 It's really sick and it's truly evil.
00:31:51.720 What would make you call for that?
00:31:53.800 It would, it just, it sickens me
00:31:55.660 that so many people who I once respected
00:31:57.380 are engaging in that.
00:31:58.780 Guilty before innocent, right?
00:32:01.900 Guilty before proven innocent.
00:32:05.160 Then of course, after this compassion that she displays,
00:32:08.300 there was a dramatic shift in the article
00:32:09.580 and she talks about quote unquote conspiracy theories
00:32:11.660 after detailing that compassion for the man
00:32:15.500 that she herself said she was certain killed her husband.
00:32:20.080 That's what she said to Barry Weiss.
00:32:21.560 Remember that?
00:32:22.580 She was wholly confident
00:32:23.560 that this man killed her husband
00:32:26.200 because she has access to the evidence.
00:32:30.240 Here is how she then flips
00:32:31.740 and describes her feelings toward me,
00:32:34.960 someone who was trying to find the true killer.
00:32:39.480 The article reads, quote,
00:32:40.640 that bridge is burned between Erica and Candace.
00:32:42.820 It's more than burned.
00:32:43.800 It's been blown up.
00:32:44.500 There's no reason for Erica
00:32:45.460 to ever speak to Candace again, ever,
00:32:47.380 the family member said.
00:32:48.800 Candace decided to make this her identity.
00:32:51.160 It's a grab for attention,
00:32:52.820 building her name and her brand
00:32:54.900 and making some money off of it.
00:32:56.820 That's what Erica thinks.
00:32:59.040 Oh, brand being built?
00:33:02.960 No, Erica, I had a name and I had a brand
00:33:05.300 before Charlie Kirk was assassinated.
00:33:07.680 In fact, me and your husband built our names
00:33:10.460 and our brands alongside each other
00:33:12.280 and apart from each other.
00:33:13.780 The world didn't know your name until he died.
00:33:16.740 You attempted to build your brand thereafter
00:33:19.400 and you made an incalculable amount of money in the process.
00:33:23.500 Do we all need a refresher on the things
00:33:25.660 that she was willing to sell?
00:33:28.640 The photos, the bloody mic in front of donors,
00:33:32.200 the taken in front of it, the bloodied tent,
00:33:34.820 people taking selfies under it.
00:33:35.980 It took just three weeks after Charlie's assassination
00:33:38.560 for Erica to file for three trademarks,
00:33:41.140 granting her the right to his name on T-shirts,
00:33:44.540 tote bags, any and all clothing.
00:33:47.040 Three trademarks.
00:33:49.400 And those freedom shirts, which were sold immediately,
00:33:51.420 remember everyone wanted a freedom shirt,
00:33:52.920 they were actually very costly.
00:33:54.280 Those were not sold through the charitable arm, okay?
00:33:57.560 Former employees have confirmed to me
00:33:59.020 that those profits went straight to Charlie Kirkshow LLC.
00:34:03.240 So that's for her personal profit.
00:34:05.280 Once upon a time, Charlie told me Andrew Colbert
00:34:07.180 owned a piece of that company too.
00:34:09.160 Andrew Colbert's personal profit for Charlie.
00:34:11.940 And of course, it wasn't for Charlie.
00:34:16.180 So as a refresher, I already had a name,
00:34:18.420 I already had a brand.
00:34:19.480 I was already being sued by the president of France.
00:34:21.500 I think I was actually known globally.
00:34:23.280 What did I sell when Charlie died?
00:34:24.920 How many trademarks did I file?
00:34:27.040 It is wild to me, okay,
00:34:29.480 that this article goes on and states,
00:34:32.180 quote, Erica is really offended
00:34:34.280 that Candace would use her husband's death
00:34:36.560 to make a buck, to get attention,
00:34:39.640 to get clout, whatever it is.
00:34:41.040 She's offended.
00:34:41.940 That's her focus, guys.
00:34:44.140 Once again, all Erica cares about
00:34:47.360 is money and brand and merchandise.
00:34:50.760 That's what she's angry about.
00:34:52.540 It's such an unbelievable thing for her to share,
00:34:54.720 for someone to say that.
00:34:55.700 She's upset.
00:34:56.320 She thinks Candace is making money.
00:34:57.800 She just doesn't have enough of it, apparently.
00:34:59.460 They can't make enough of the money off of Charlie's death.
00:35:02.820 So what she's concerned with is whether or not
00:35:04.480 I'm making any additional money
00:35:06.000 while I try to figure out who killed her husband.
00:35:08.500 So let me make this perfectly clear again.
00:35:10.580 Erica, please listen to me.
00:35:12.840 When Charlie died,
00:35:14.100 we had already signed all of our advertising agreements
00:35:17.960 through not just to the end of last year, 2025,
00:35:20.900 but through to Q1 of this year.
00:35:22.540 So what that means,
00:35:23.640 because I don't really think you're well-versed in business,
00:35:25.680 is that not a single additional advertiser
00:35:28.160 was brought onto this platform
00:35:29.380 and no existing advertisers had their rates raised, okay?
00:35:33.200 We didn't make money in advertising.
00:35:35.460 We sold zero products.
00:35:38.200 You remember all of the influencers,
00:35:39.920 they raced to put his name, his face on cups,
00:35:42.780 on t-shirts. We're going to share proceeds with Erica. We're going to do this. We all want to
00:35:47.080 fight Charlie, blah, blah, blah. The same influencers who are now selling you the fed
00:35:51.240 slop about how he died. We didn't engage any of that. No, we were actually grieving to the stark
00:35:57.660 contrary. We sold nothing with Charlie's face. No memorabilia. Not a single item was sold by us
00:36:04.860 in the aftermath of his death. Everyone racing to commemorate him by making money for themselves.
00:36:09.880 And I would point out that in our tribute episode to Charlie, our biggest episode by views ever, we sold and consequentially read zero ads.
00:36:24.260 Zero. None. Go back and watch it. It's still up.
00:36:26.760 To my friend Charlie Kirk, no ad reads, nothing sold for the public.
00:36:31.820 Our show, Before Charlie Died, was already in the top 10 globally, sitting above the Charlie Kirk podcast, and every single episode of our new podcast since we launched it back in 2024 has averaged well above a million views.
00:36:46.480 Go back and check that.
00:36:47.940 So what is it, Erica, that you are actually upset about?
00:36:51.080 Really ask yourself that question, okay?
00:36:53.800 Because time and time again, you keep reminding people that all you care about is money and brand and merchandising.
00:36:59.900 but i have to tell you it is the way this article concludes that is just stunning to me it continues
00:37:07.720 quote erica says she's not going to give that woman an ounce of her energy kind of looks like
00:37:12.420 i'm getting a lot of it right now but sometimes she just can't help herself and she'll just sort
00:37:18.480 of explode the tirade she hates her candace more than she hates her political opponents who are
00:37:25.900 your political opponents, Erica? Who are your political opponents? Who are you? Who are you?
00:37:32.520 You're some beauty pageant wife who took over the reins of Charlie's company,
00:37:38.040 telling us a story that this just, he wanted it in the end, but just couldn't put it in documents.
00:37:43.620 Who are you to think that you have political opponents? It continues, at least with them,
00:37:50.340 she knew where she stood. They didn't exactly betray her like Candace did. Candace did her
00:37:56.860 so dirty. I think at this point, Erica likes even Tyler Robinson more than she likes Candace.
00:38:06.780 End quote. Yeah, Erica. That's what Drewski and everybody who's been speaking about this has
00:38:16.840 been getting at. That's why people think there's something wrong with you. Because you meant this
00:38:23.240 article to be a smackdown of me, but all it did was further reveal your character. You have been
00:38:31.020 on a wild pursuit of fame and fortune your entire life. You started doing pageants, I think we showed
00:38:37.200 when you were like 12, okay? Sixth grade maybe. And you have not stopped wanting to be in the
00:38:43.700 spotlight. Every person you have dated has had some degree of fame and you saw Charlie as your
00:38:49.580 ticket to more fame. And then you finally got it in your view. When you walked out in a white
00:38:55.720 pantsuit with sparklers behind you and you sucked all of that in, that was it. That was the moment.
00:39:01.540 We look back at those photos of people at the memorial. I have never seen such glee and such
00:39:07.420 happiness. You clinked glasses. You guys then went to a restaurant. You celebrated.
00:39:13.920 Finally, Erica, finally for you, after decades of trying, you had made it into the spotlight
00:39:21.540 and everybody loved you. Brand, merchandising, shirts. You got on that Zoom call. The sales
00:39:28.320 had been crazy. 50,000 shirts sold and kicked back into the LLC that me and the Charlie Kirk
00:39:37.020 show people own. For Charlie. For Charlie. And then it all came crashing down because maybe
00:39:44.240 Charlie had an actual friend. That's what's annoying. Me, I'm the renegade. I'm the one thing.
00:39:54.240 He had an actual friend who wasn't content to sell a t-shirt and move on and then sell some
00:39:59.480 fed slop and move on because the price was right. That's what you're upset about, Erica. Money and
00:40:05.700 fame. There is no substance in this article because there is no substance in you. And that's
00:40:11.280 my opinion. Not a call for you to get hurt, but me demonstrating that you have a character flaw
00:40:17.260 that you are not even aware of. We'll be right back after a brief break. All right, you guys,
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00:43:18.300 France Bay planning now. They're very angry. That is obvious. The influencers are angry because
00:43:23.520 they are losing and they are losing not because they didn't have enough money, not because they
00:43:28.200 didn't have enough people who were willing to sell their souls and make videos and try to
00:43:33.480 hypnotize the public into believing anything but their own eyes. Well, I noticed something
00:43:40.460 three times. I just said, this is very weird. Suddenly, as soon as the Tyler Robinson trial
00:43:46.160 began, these same influencers who have been attacking me are all raising the matter of Sandy
00:43:53.400 Hook. It's very strange. I'll show you this. Seth Dillon, resident liar, Hamptons guy. He writes,
00:43:59.480 the main reason Alex Jones was held liable was not that he questioned an official narrative. It was
00:44:03.760 that he repeatedly and callously made false accusations about specific people. He claimed
00:44:10.160 the Sandy Hook shooting was staged, that the grieving parents were crisis actors, and that
00:44:13.780 they were knowingly participating in fraud. His false claims made for clicks and fame were
00:44:18.600 damaging, severe understatement, and led to harassment and threats against grieving innocent
00:44:23.560 people. So his protected opinion defense failed. The First Amendment protects the right to
00:44:28.360 criticize events and to criticize official accounts, but does not provide blanket immunity
00:44:32.980 for defamation. Oh, how interesting. Seth Dillon from the Hamptons. This feels like a bit of
00:44:38.920 foretelling to me. This is how these people operate. You always know what is coming down
00:44:43.020 the pipeline because they just start signaling. Today, Tim Pool tweets, if you want to get
00:44:50.100 amplified on YouTube and X, all you need to do is claim the official story of Charlie
00:44:53.320 Kirk's assassination as a cover-up and there's a conspiracy. Why is social media amplifying
00:44:58.060 this so much? Why does big tech want this narrative to be front and center? I don't
00:45:02.340 think they do. I think the majority of people believe this, Tim. He goes on, Alex Jones
00:45:06.340 made claims about Sandy Hook and he was destroyed. His company was sold off to try to humiliate
00:45:10.960 him. What is the difference here? You can claim one story is true, but the other results in your
00:45:15.700 company's total annihilation. YouTube has rules around conspiracy. Specifically, they restrict
00:45:20.740 conspiracy claims and amplify what they call authoritative news sources. Why is YouTube
00:45:25.280 boosting these videos and the algorithm? Why does the machine want this narrative so badly?
00:45:29.920 Contrast this with COVID. You'd get demonetized instantly if you talked about COVID in the early
00:45:34.500 days. We couldn't even read news reports out of China that discussed the basics. He's basically
00:45:40.620 saying, state, where are you? Where are you, state? What is the state going to do about the
00:45:46.540 fact that people are using their common sense? So now we are going to tie it to children being
00:45:51.920 murdered in Connecticut. And he wasn't the only one. Again, this is all happening.
00:45:57.980 Tyler Robinson trial. They're all talking about Sandy Hook. Blake Neff was on a Twitter space,
00:46:02.880 and he similarly and specifically compared me to Alex Jones and Sandy Hook. This is a talking
00:46:09.820 point that is being distributed. And it's a dangerous one. Take a listen to what he had to
00:46:12.940 say. Nothing compares remotely to the fact that Candace Owens has spent a sustained 10 months
00:46:20.800 making effectively every episode of her show, finding some new way to target Erica, target
00:46:29.800 turning point, target other people who are in the turning point universe, target random family
00:46:34.780 members of Varus has happened at times for 10 months in pursuit of a conspiracy theory that has
00:46:41.040 literally never had anything to back it up like it is it inspires comment and notice because there
00:46:48.880 really is essentially nothing like it that I can recall in my lifetime like even even as a
00:46:55.160 comparison even the stuff with the Sandy Hook parents that was the stuff a few people ran with
00:46:59.340 and I just don't think it ever like Alex Jones got sued for it I don't think Alex Jones made
00:47:03.920 that the only subject of the show for a 10-month period. And that's what's happened here. I just
00:47:09.220 have never seen anything like it in my life. Again, they are priming the public to see that
00:47:16.620 this is just like Sandy Hook. This is no different. It's actually almost worse than what Alex Jones
00:47:21.520 did because he didn't go on for 10 months. You know what, Blake? I don't think Alex Jones lost
00:47:26.360 a child at Sandy Hook. He probably would have gone harder in the paint. When you know someone
00:47:30.840 that's involved, you go harder. Okay. That's just, that's just the reality of things. I care deeply.
00:47:37.280 Okay. Because I came up along Charlie and if Charlie's not safe in the political space,
00:47:41.960 neither am I. Certainly not with you guys speaking like this. That also was the point of the NCRI
00:47:47.440 report. That report, is that going to be used as evidence? Look, harassment, that is what they took
00:47:55.380 Alex Jones down for. He said something, which he has apologized before and said was wrong. He
00:47:59.580 He speculated that the children didn't actually die that day.
00:48:02.660 And then they came after him for emotional harassment, stress, whatever the claims were.
00:48:07.620 And they sued him and won for $1.4 billion, effectively ending his InfoWars platform,
00:48:15.580 suing him into bankruptcy.
00:48:18.160 And I want to be clear, they're also putting people on their show to say,
00:48:22.660 you know, Erica's just like the parents at Sandy Hook.
00:48:27.040 This is the priming.
00:48:28.040 They all know something that we don't know.
00:48:30.180 They're not all kind of going back to Sandy Hook for no reason.
00:48:32.900 Here is Viva Frey on The Charlie Kirk Show.
00:48:34.720 Take a listen.
00:48:35.560 We're living in a world where people have sort of gotten back into the realm of the
00:48:39.520 Alex Jones InfoWars, Sandy Hook level psychotic conspiracy everywhere, where now people are
00:48:46.600 saying, all right, I believe everything we're being told is a lie.
00:48:49.980 So I'm going to not believe anything except for that, which I've convinced myself of already.
00:48:55.220 I don't know if Tyler Robinson pulled the trigger.
00:48:57.600 I don't know if he was on the roof and he was the one who fired the gun.
00:49:01.420 I know what the preliminary evidence looks like right now.
00:49:04.240 And I know it's being adjuiced at the preliminary hearing.
00:49:07.520 But the insane conspiracy theories that are being floated, that are implicating everyone
00:49:13.560 and anyone involved, that are unsubstantiated and unfalsifiable in their vagueness.
00:49:20.020 I mean, I'm seeing Sandy Hook 2.0 recurring right now.
00:49:24.100 I appreciate there are some issues with the prosecution there's some issues with the
00:49:29.400 investigation and there's some issues with the evidence I go I can find I can appreciate that
00:49:33.600 but to go from there to say that it's exploding microphones Israel did it and not that Israel
00:49:39.860 might not Israel might have had a hand in this but until you can provide the slightest shred
00:49:45.300 of evidence other than I can divine an intention or a motive you have to admit that from the
00:49:51.680 evidence that you have right now if you have a more plausible theory than the one being presented
00:49:55.660 which is tyler robinson was on the roof took the shot had the rifle had the moment had the
00:49:59.740 opportunity if you have a more plausible theory to present you can go ahead and present it but
00:50:05.140 you don't get to manufacture facts out of whole cloth this is sure for sure foreshadowing this is
00:50:15.300 like this is like the this kind of dark psychiatry um i'm well accustomed to this they they are
00:50:21.040 getting ahead of something, okay? They know something and they're priming the public to think
00:50:25.720 this is just like when elementary school children died and Alex Jones had to be sued.
00:50:31.400 And it is deeply ironic and almost sick that that is being platformed on what is still being called
00:50:37.360 the Charlie Kirk Show. Because let me tell you what the namesake Charlie Kirk himself had to say
00:50:44.880 about people who call for lawsuits and for people to be bankrupted
00:50:49.920 because they don't like speech.
00:50:52.240 Here is Charlie Kirk regarding that specific Alex Jones lawsuit.
00:50:56.360 Alex Jones was patient zero for the censorship regime back in 2018.
00:51:03.720 And now Alex Jones is patient zero for lawfare strategies
00:51:10.260 to be able to shut people up that they don't like.
00:51:13.060 Is Alex Jones outlandish?
00:51:14.620 Of course he is.
00:51:15.800 He's a quasi-entertainer.
00:51:17.260 That's one of the reasons why he's so popular.
00:51:19.160 But Alex Jones has been right about a lot of things.
00:51:24.960 And so people say, well, don't talk about it.
00:51:26.600 Stay away from it.
00:51:27.400 I learned my lesson.
00:51:28.180 I learned my lesson what happens when I stay quiet and I listen to these people.
00:51:31.120 I'm not going to put up with another bad precedent being set because I'm told that I should hate Alex Jones.
00:51:37.480 He's outlandish.
00:51:38.880 He's wild.
00:51:41.940 He's entertaining.
00:51:43.440 I don't agree with them on everything.
00:51:47.060 They're doing this to be able to show it's a spectacle.
00:51:52.940 And some people say, look, Charlie, this isn't about the regime doing a spectacle.
00:51:57.980 It's about the families of murdered kids.
00:52:01.400 I think it's not right what Alex Jones said and what he did.
00:52:04.320 He agrees with that.
00:52:06.000 Should you be able to shut somebody up because of it?
00:52:08.560 Rachel Maddow accused One America News Network
00:52:12.520 of being funded by the Russian government
00:52:15.580 and a judge tossed that away
00:52:16.780 because under free speech provisions.
00:52:19.880 A billion dollars?
00:52:22.460 We're going to talk about this
00:52:23.960 in the next segment throughout the hour.
00:52:26.740 This also is an opportunity
00:52:28.560 that I hope all of you take.
00:52:31.640 Watch carefully today.
00:52:34.320 The podcasts you listen to,
00:52:35.940 the radio shows you consume,
00:52:37.300 the TV shows you watch.
00:52:39.660 This is a scorecard moment.
00:52:42.520 If your favorite conservative commentator
00:52:45.360 is silent on Alex Jones,
00:52:48.520 that is very telling.
00:52:50.900 Lawyers for the Sandy Hook families
00:52:52.520 say a verdict will send a signal
00:52:56.240 to other conspiracy purveyors
00:52:58.160 about the cost of online lies
00:53:00.320 and set in motion a chain of events
00:53:02.200 that could shut InfoWars down.
00:53:08.100 So basically, the New York Times is saying this is a lot bigger than just Alex Jones.
00:53:12.540 And you might be out there and say, I hate Alex Jones, and he's a wackadoodle and all this sort of stuff.
00:53:17.380 Look at the bigger picture.
00:53:18.940 Have you learned nothing about how these people operate?
00:53:23.680 Conspiracy purveyor.
00:53:24.540 Who exactly is that?
00:53:25.540 You know who the conspiracy purveyors are?
00:53:26.940 Every single one of those mockingbird maniacs on television that was telling us Donald Trump is a Russian agent.
00:53:32.480 You're the conspiracy theorist.
00:53:33.960 But they'll never be held accountable.
00:53:35.340 No, what they mean by conspiracy theorist is someone who asks questions against the core tenets, as Friedrich Nietzsche, the pieties that you can't ask, like election integrity or the alphabet mafia.
00:53:49.780 Hungry now.
00:53:53.000 Now.
00:53:55.180 What about now?
00:53:57.380 Whenever it hits you, wherever you are, grab an O. Henry bar to satisfy your hunger.
00:54:03.660 with its delicious combination of big, crunchy, salty peanuts
00:54:07.700 covered in creamy caramel and chewy fudge with a chocolatey coating.
00:54:12.580 Swing by a gas station and get an O'Henry today.
00:54:15.240 Oh, hungry, O'Henry.
00:54:22.300 There he is, you guys, in his own words, on his own show, his namesake,
00:54:27.520 the Charlie Kirk Show, which used to represent Charlie Kirk's ideas.
00:54:31.400 And now we have these pathetic people who are an extension of the state, the very state that
00:54:38.820 Charlie was trying to fight. The surveillance state, the totalitarian state, people that then
00:54:45.900 use the state to punish people with lawsuits. How dare they? How dare they do it with his
00:54:55.120 name below in the banner. The Charlie Kirk show is now using the same logic that we believe
00:55:03.180 that what happened in Sandy, this is like akin to Sandy Hook. People are being harassed.
00:55:07.360 They are signaling that this is their last desperate ploy. Mark my words. We'll end this
00:55:13.580 with a Charlie Kirk tweet so we know exactly how he felt about this. He wrote, the lawyers behind
00:55:21.060 the sham billion dollar verdict against Alex Jones are now trying to seize his personal social
00:55:25.620 media accounts in bankruptcy. This was never about justice for Sandy Hook families or whatever
00:55:30.100 excuse they gave. The lawsuits against Jones have always been about finding a way to censor and
00:55:33.980 destroy a person that the left hates and then using that blueprint on everybody else. You were
00:55:38.940 right. Except Charlie, wherever you are, you would be proud to know that for once the left and the
00:55:43.620 right are united. We are united against the state of whatever the hell Turning Point USA has become
00:55:49.400 because we know it's not you.
00:55:51.280 We know it's not what you represented.
00:55:52.900 And we think it's why you didn't,
00:55:54.500 after you passed the energy,
00:55:56.160 it didn't stay there because how could it?
00:55:58.900 You would detest what it's become.
00:56:01.660 We'll be right back after a break.
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00:57:57.580 Okay, top comments from yesterday's episode. This one really made me chuckle. It came from
00:58:01.760 Soggy Sunflower. They wrote, Frank Turek, quote, I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for
00:58:07.060 that meddling Frank Turek. I sent that to the team. I said, we have to turn that into a meme
00:58:11.900 because that is spot on with Frank Turek.
00:58:14.260 Here it is.
00:58:15.860 He would have gotten away with it
00:58:17.220 if it wasn't for that meddling Frank Turek.
00:58:19.860 He's very angry at his past self.
00:58:22.060 It's a lot to deal with.
00:58:23.940 And then the second biggest comment that we had,
00:58:26.560 top comment, was Candace is literally having to do
00:58:28.380 Kash Patel's job because he won't do it himself.
00:58:31.160 I got an idea about why he won't do it himself.
00:58:34.040 Comments from today's episode,
00:58:35.200 True Detective writes regarding the Franklin scandal.
00:58:37.160 We mentioned that yesterday.
00:58:37.940 Watch the 1993 documentary entitled
00:58:40.860 Conspiracy of Silence. It was supposed to air on the Discovery Channel, but was pulled from the
00:58:45.080 schedule. Black magic is real, not just in horror novels like Falling Angel by William Hortzberg or
00:58:51.620 The God at Dusk by Anand Bosmia. I absolutely know that black magic is real. We've been speaking
00:58:58.180 about the occult on this show for a while. It is extraordinarily real. And for a very long time,
00:59:03.720 Hollywood had people thinking it was just hocus pocus. It's not. And yeah, I hope that I've done
00:59:09.380 a good job of making people understand that. And thank you for that documentary recommendation.
00:59:15.720 Ryan Grange writes, please make this make sense. Quote, I forgive you to the alleged killer to
00:59:19.680 quote, happiness comes and goes. I hope you find it. To the heckler calling her a pedal protector
00:59:24.300 to quote, Candace is a bee. Make that make sense. Candace, please go absolutely max. It's time to
00:59:30.080 drop all of the receipts. Why not? Zamet writes, we the people refuse to allow our America's
00:59:36.400 beating heart to have ceased on 9, 10, 2025 at 12, 23 PM. Yeah. I mean, it's going to be a fight.
00:59:42.840 I sense it. You can see it building the anger that they have is building. And it's like when
00:59:48.220 nothing is left and you start talking about Sandy Hook, I feel like there's just the writings on the
00:59:52.620 wall, right? They're going to really burn down Charlie's legacy to the ground. They're going
00:59:57.380 to become the very thing that he fought because perhaps they always were the very thing that he
01:00:03.480 was fighting that was surrounding him. Perhaps. Think while it's still legal. The Warrior writes,
01:00:10.700 I respect you for what you do and I admire your bravery. Thank you guys. And it is, like I said,
01:00:15.720 many times during that healing process, I may have showed up here, but I was not doing okay.
01:00:23.000 I feel like it wasn't until this recent trip to Spain that I feel like myself and like I'm ready
01:00:27.420 to fight again. And I survived whatever that was, which was just being fought every second of every
01:00:34.280 day for trying to get answers to what happened to Charlie by this apparatus of evil, really,
01:00:40.000 an apparatus of evil that just attacked every layer of my life. Well, I'm talking about striking
01:00:45.280 you, the expression, crying out while they strike you. Literally, are we kidding? Do we have that
01:00:52.360 Laura Loomer. Somebody just tweeted this to show the psychosis of Laura Loomer. Here's 591 Laura
01:00:59.780 Loomer posts talking about at Real Candace O. And he followed this up by saying that's just what was
01:01:04.980 digitally possible to fit onto a screen. This is real. He just posted this. And then he showed
01:01:11.660 how like 45 of them were happening in just one evening. And she's just one person. This is the
01:01:18.100 person that's then retweeted by Ben Shapiro's lawyer who's been suing me for three years,
01:01:21.620 who's now suing me on behalf of Brian Harpole.
01:01:23.980 Like, this has been my life,
01:01:25.800 and I have not complained.
01:01:27.080 I have not played the victim.
01:01:28.480 I have not asked people to put together
01:01:30.640 bogus reports about digital assassins.
01:01:34.420 Have I had to up my security?
01:01:35.840 Absolutely.
01:01:36.680 Does anybody care about the death threats I get?
01:01:38.320 People that were putting up my children's car?
01:01:41.360 Laura Loomer, who was doing that?
01:01:42.740 And they just pretend like I'm not a person.
01:01:45.820 Full-time, these people are dedicated,
01:01:47.660 these accounts are dedicated
01:01:48.520 to just attacking Candace Owens all day
01:01:51.540 every day while she's investigating a murder. That's it. Okay? Asking meaningful questions.
01:01:58.520 Do we get it right all the time? No. Do we want to get it right? Yeah. That's why we want still
01:02:03.000 to have an open forum with all of these people. You know, Erica, the feeling's not mutual. I don't
01:02:08.340 hate you. I don't hate you. I just don't feel that way. I can't muster that emotion for you.
01:02:16.240 So I don't feel that way about Blake Neff. I don't feel that way about Andrew Colbett.
01:02:19.840 I hate what they are doing to Charlie's legacy. I hate that they will not just come hands open
01:02:27.560 and sit down and do an open forum. I resent that. I resent that they won't do exactly what Charlie
01:02:33.220 would have done. But I can't change that. I can just keep asking questions and keep Charlie's
01:02:38.600 memory alive until we get answers that make sense, that don't include naked men on the roof
01:02:43.060 and then forgetting about those themes and moving on and calling everybody else the conspiracy
01:02:47.780 theorists. Honey Butter writes, my husband says it's definitely a glove that is used to denature
01:02:55.920 alcohol to scrub Charlie's body. That's what my husband uses at work with his woodworking and his
01:03:00.440 gloves look exactly like that when he is done. We love you, Candice, praying always God is in your
01:03:04.880 corner. That's very interesting. As always, if you guys have any tips, people who might have more
01:03:10.880 photos of the scene that day, particularly what took place at Timpanogos, if we can tighten that
01:03:15.340 timeline, that would be very helpful. We are now hearing from people who worked at other parts of
01:03:21.400 the hospital saying that their computers were shut down for six hours. That's crazy. That makes
01:03:27.820 no sense. They all feel like something strange happened on that day. The people that have reached
01:03:31.580 out, not everyone. More tips at CandaceOwens.com. If you know anything, have more photos that we can
01:03:39.240 display if you caught something. If you are a federal government agent and you want to be a
01:03:44.400 whistleblower. I mean, anybody who wants to come forward with information, we will accept it. And
01:03:49.340 as always, if we get something wrong, we will pivot and we will correct it. And that includes
01:03:53.960 Turning Point USA employees. If you are hearing the rumblings about anything, about what's going
01:03:58.260 on there, and you've seen enough, reach out to us, moretipsatcannisowens.com. We've got people there.
01:04:03.640 We could always use more people who are interested in doing what Charlie would have done,
01:04:09.240 Fighting.
01:04:11.620 Aunt Leash writes,
01:04:13.180 doesn't that nitrile glove look like
01:04:14.660 it's a little melted on the tip of one finger
01:04:16.740 and the side of another?
01:04:17.980 Nitrile would protect against chemical burns
01:04:19.660 from explosive residue, but not from flames.
01:04:22.060 Did they burn Charlie's shirt in the SUV?
01:04:24.360 It's a question.
01:04:26.520 It's a question.
01:04:28.080 Did they burn Charlie's shirt in the SUV?
01:04:29.680 Did somebody put on gloves
01:04:30.440 because they were cutting Charlie's shirt
01:04:31.720 and didn't want their prints on?
01:04:33.680 Who knows?
01:04:34.820 Could be, could also not be.
01:04:36.520 i'm with you guys thinking while it's still legal thinking while it's permissible
01:04:44.260 before they pretend that the conspiracy is a crime in and of itself that lives are being ruined
01:04:52.780 um because people are asking questions i couldn't have said it more beautifully than charlie about
01:04:58.400 what they're actually doing and um you know charlie said it all he did he said it all and
01:05:03.940 I agree with him wholeheartedly.
01:05:06.000 Thumbelina's Grace writes,
01:05:06.880 thank you, Candace.
01:05:07.440 We all miss Charlie.
01:05:10.060 And lastly, this person, Nabi, writes,
01:05:12.960 shout out to my wife, Ethiopian queen.
01:05:14.960 What impact do you have on this case?
01:05:16.860 Is change possible?
01:05:19.340 Is change possible?
01:05:24.160 Yeah.
01:05:27.140 In the end, we win.
01:05:28.340 Truth always wins.
01:05:29.200 I mean, this has been an example.
01:05:31.260 Just so we're clear,
01:05:31.860 We had nothing on our side, no money, no bots, no Israel, no other countries trying to take you
01:05:40.840 down. We didn't have a Department of Justice willing to work for us or post our stuff,
01:05:46.040 Department of War, making things go viral. We had nothing but drive and a willingness to commit to
01:05:52.100 truth. That's all we had. And that is what has kept people interested in this case. And I genuinely
01:06:00.040 thank god for that i thank god for that i can't even imagine if charlie they just accepted the
01:06:05.260 fed slop and that was it and i think it's brought everyone closer as well like i said left and right
01:06:11.200 and i wherever uh charlie is hopefully um you know charlie sees gets to see this to see the left and
01:06:19.920 right come together which is not something that either of i even strive he or i ever even strived
01:06:25.420 for in the beginning you know we both played that game of left versus right and now the picture is
01:06:30.720 bigger and people on the left are holding turning points feet to the fire they're doing that and so
01:06:37.260 i appreciate it all and i do think change is possible because to vote against to say that
01:06:44.360 change is not possible to me would be like resigning and saying that christ doesn't win
01:06:49.620 the end. He does. Christ is king. Anyway, you guys, if you would like to support our work that
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01:07:32.060 That's all we have for today. It's been an extraordinarily long episode. Hope you guys
01:07:34.380 enjoyed it as much as I did. It always feels like I get to vent and share what's going on in life
01:07:39.240 and put pieces together. So I appreciate you guys more than you'll ever know. We'll see you tomorrow.
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