Candace Owens - Bearing False Witness： Who Made The Charlie Kirk Videos Go Viral？｜ Candace Ep 241

00:00:00.000 All right, you guys, happy Tuesday. Sorry we are running a few minutes late. It takes so much time to investigate. We are such a small team and we're constantly trying to make sure we're giving you guys the most accurate information. And, you know, it suddenly occurred to me after last week that I should maybe go back and find all of the original videos that were going viral on social media on 910.

00:00:22.040 You know, all the videos pertaining to the assassination, the people that were providing testimony as to what happened. And immediately we started to notice a pattern. We noticed that a lot of the eyewitnesses and the people that were sharing those videos weren't exactly random college students from UVU, but rather people that either had strong ties to the government or to Turning Point USA altogether. So what gives?

00:00:47.780 Also later on, we're going to discuss Andrew Colvett, the PR agent, close friend Charlie Kirk, who sat down with Alex Clark to answer questions pertaining to whether or not Charlie Kirk was converting to Catholicism and whether or not he was offered $150 million from Israel.

00:01:06.880 Except I literally do not know who said either of those things, but we'll see how he responded anyway. Welcome back to Candace.

00:01:17.780 A couple of things that I want to say at the top to help focus some of these investigations that are going on. So many people that are sending us emails and I see a lot of the chatter that's happening.

00:01:38.580 First and foremost, no, Charlie was not wearing an earpiece. He was not wearing an earpiece. I saw some of that earlier footage and it looked like he was. And I was able to verify that actually what people think is an earpiece that's coming up is actually the necklace that he was wearing.

00:01:56.260 I also want you guys to know that he was not wearing a bulletproof vest. I was able to verify that. And there does seem to be a backstory there. Somebody that had reached out who had been providing vests for Charlie and then no longer was providing vests for him. We're looking into that. But I wanted you to know those two facts.

00:02:19.080 All right. Now, jumping into what I wanted to discuss today, we thought we should go back and re-examine all of the witnesses, okay? The people who spoke out to the press in the immediate aftermath of the killing. Obviously, that's what brought us to Caldera Engineering, the man who owned a couple of houses on that block.

00:02:38.740 And we found out that Caldera Engineering, a lot of the employees live on that block. And then, of course, I want to be clear, it doesn't make these people guilty of anything.

00:02:48.880 But I thought it was interesting that I kept seeing this theme that none of these individuals were students of UVU. I guess that's just coincidental.

00:02:58.620 Just to go back, we had already discussed Tiffany Barker and that early morning GMA interview, Good Morning America interview, that she did with her nieces.

00:03:09.080 So I'm going to show you that again to jog your memory because we have an update. Take a listen.

00:03:13.820 We're joined now by Tiffany Barker and her nieces Elle Steele and Mia Grant, who were all in the audience yesterday afternoon.

00:03:19.800 Thank you for joining us this morning. I know it's been a difficult day for all of you right now.

00:03:24.580 Tiffany, let me begin with you. Just tell us what you remember about the scene yesterday.

00:03:31.220 It was horrific. There was one shot that rang out and everybody instantly looked around and then fell to the ground.

00:03:40.060 People saw Charlie instantly get shot in the neck and everybody fell to the ground and then people started running and got run over.

00:03:48.640 And I was with my family. We had 16 of us there. So five adults and like 11 children.

00:03:55.020 And we instantly got separated. We're trying to find everybody. And we had amazing Good Samaritans that grabbed kids.

00:04:02.180 One took my niece and took her to her apartment. 0.51

00:04:05.360 Somebody grabbed these two and my daughter and took them over to the tennis courts and stayed with them until I came.

00:04:11.000 And it was a super awful tragedy. And there were really good people that stood up and supported each other.

00:04:18.060 And it was actually really powerful to see that.

00:04:22.020 Elle and Mia, I can't imagine how scared you must have been yesterday.

00:04:25.060 What can you tell us about what you all remember? Elle, you go first.

00:04:28.100 So I remember hearing this thing. I didn't, it was hard to like know what it was, but then I saw it and I saw blood everywhere and it hit his artery.

00:04:42.260 And then I just, we fell to, I fell to the ground. I covered my, my head with my hands and then I just started saying a prayer.

00:04:52.400 And then we all ran, we sprinted away and we ran into like, we ran away to, and then we met at the tennis courts and I couldn't, and then we couldn't find anyone.

00:05:05.540 It was just me, Mia, and then my other cousin, Bella. And then we, and then we were calling everyone. We didn't know what to do.

00:05:14.480 And then we finally met up with them and it was just so scary.

00:05:18.500 Are you sure Mia?

00:05:21.480 I remember that we were like 15 feet away and I thought like the shot was like a firecracker or something.

00:05:29.160 It just, it just didn't seem real. After that, we went like behind where Charlie Kirk was and then we were meeting up at the tennis courts and trying to find everyone and get everyone together.

00:05:43.680 And Charlie Kirk was such a good guy. I'm going to miss him so much. I've always watched all of his videos and...

00:05:51.160 No, I can't imagine what you all went through.

00:05:55.080 America's going to miss Charlie Kirk.

00:05:56.680 I can't imagine what you went through yesterday. Thanks for sharing your stories this morning.

00:06:01.140 Okay, so to update you and to remind you, I had mentioned that first and foremost, Tiffany Barker is a part of a very political family, a very connected family in the region.

00:06:10.380 The internet sleuths just were on it. Apparently there's a whole Reddit feed and they were able to determine that not only is she connected to a big political family

00:06:19.040 that is high up in the LDS church, but she also forgot to mention, and maybe there wasn't time to mention, to be fair, that they knew Charlie, that the daughter had sung at Charlie Kirk's events.

00:06:31.540 So it would have been something that I think I would have said, but again, sort of in the chaos, maybe in the next morning while the manhunt is going on.

00:06:39.160 And in this sort of short stint of speaking to Good Morning America, you didn't have time to give those details.

00:06:46.020 Now, many people were curious, mainly as to why the children were so descriptive regarding the artery.

00:06:53.080 And Tiffany herself made a response video and addressed that question.

00:06:59.060 And here is what she had to say.

00:07:01.160 When we get in the car, we're stuck in the parking lot for like an hour and a half.

00:07:05.120 My niece that was sitting right behind me in this car filmed Charlie getting shot. 0.85

00:07:11.520 She was filming him speaking and then she said,

00:07:14.240 Tiff, I have it on video.

00:07:15.480 And I said, give me your phone. I don't want you to watch it. Give me the phone.

00:07:18.100 So I took her phone and the kids in the car with me, because they were closer down by my sister, had seen it really close up.

00:07:25.900 And they saw how much Charlie bled.

00:07:28.700 And we're all trying to process that.

00:07:30.360 So I have an hour and a half in a car with my nieces and my two daughters, and I'm trying to help them through what we just saw.

00:07:37.760 And they said, why did he bleed like that?

00:07:39.580 And I said, there's an artery here.

00:07:41.500 Maybe they had an artery.

00:07:42.620 I didn't know.

00:07:43.560 We didn't know anything.

00:07:45.140 And we're trying to get information.

00:07:46.760 And then I get one text come in and said, Glenn Beck said he's stable.

00:07:50.540 And I told the kids, you guys, OK, he's OK.

00:07:52.640 They're taking turns praying for him.

00:07:54.300 So I connected with her after she made this video, and I wanted to specifically confirm and clarify two things.

00:08:01.980 Again, not because I think her or her nieces had anything to do with the assassination, but because they were eyewitnesses.

00:08:09.900 And I, first and foremost, wanted to know why Good Morning America reached out with them.

00:08:13.780 It didn't seem to me that any of the videos she put out would have inspired a producer to reach out and say,

00:08:18.780 hey, can you be our eyewitness, provide eyewitness testimony to what took place?

00:08:24.480 And she intimated to me that actually it was a political connection.

00:08:29.220 That was the reason it happened.

00:08:30.760 Her sister ran as lieutenant governor alongside Phil Lehman.

00:08:36.260 And actually, Good Morning America reached out to Phil Lehman.

00:08:40.980 And somehow, that is how instead of her, Phil Lehman or her sister, they ended up with her sister's children and her because they were at the event.

00:08:52.560 Now, regarding her, obviously, you heard her explanation for why they mentioned the artery.

00:08:57.320 I wanted to see if they even recorded that footage of Charlie or if they were close enough to see that.

00:09:03.120 And my answer to that would be no on the basis of the footage that she gave me.

00:09:06.700 She has not yet provided any footage that would suggest that her nieces saw that graphic or were able anything that was that descriptive.

00:09:15.220 I think this might have been just a little bit of like political insertion, so to speak.

00:09:19.580 Either way, I will say that and kids being anywhere where a shot is ringing out is going to be traumatizing to a child.

00:09:25.400 And of course, she is being honest that through discussion, she is the one that kind of gave them the idea regarding the artery.

00:09:31.180 But then I decided to take a look or just including this, I was simultaneously taking a look at George Zinn.

00:09:37.960 Obviously, I wanted to track down George Zinn because where was Decoy Boy sitting? 1.00

00:09:43.740 Where exactly was he arrested?

00:09:46.080 And I was able to discover something that I found to be quite odd.

00:09:51.180 George Zinn was arrested in the same area, almost in the exact spot where Charlie's SUV departs.

00:10:01.180 Which, to me, if you think somebody is the killer, you probably wouldn't send them in the direction of someone that they just shot.

00:10:06.580 So I wanted to sort of prod that narrative a little bit further.

00:10:10.120 So first, I want you guys, in case you don't understand the layout of this particular, if we're calling it a stadium, that he was sitting amphitheater, that Charlie was sitting.

00:10:18.760 There is a tent, okay?

00:10:20.660 And we're coming inward here.

00:10:22.540 You can see that kind of half hexagon that's sitting there.

00:10:26.240 Where that dot is is where Charlie is sitting.

00:10:28.840 And you can see there's like a bridge walkway.

00:10:31.940 And Charlie has to walk underneath that to get to where his cars are, okay?

00:10:37.040 So in front of him is the audience in that half hexagon.

00:10:40.240 And, yep, we're coming inward right there where you can see the mouse pointing right there is where the SUVs were waiting, the SUV that carried Charlie.

00:10:50.680 So they just went backwards from where the tent was, okay?

00:10:54.060 And that underpass is right here.

00:10:58.040 You can see a clear image of it.

00:10:59.440 And you can actually see now we're in that underpass and or sitting, we are kind of where that SUV was.

00:11:04.700 And you can see the back of the tent that Charlie was in.

00:11:08.660 We were able to determine that it was approximately 40 seconds from the time that the shot rang off to when the security brings Charlie into the waiting SUV.

00:11:20.900 So they moved very quickly from shot to getting him into the SUV, obviously trying to save his life.

00:11:27.240 Then approximately just one minute and eight seconds later, George Zinn is brought to that exact same territory.

00:11:35.940 So Charlie departs and about a minute and eight seconds later, we've got George Zinn and he is in handcuffs.

00:11:43.000 And I'm being, when I say a minute and eight seconds, I'm building in extra seconds.

00:11:47.160 I'm trying to be as precise as possible.

00:11:49.220 I am counting and I'm watching everything.

00:11:50.940 But I found it, again, odd that George Zinn is arrested in the exact same area that they just took Charlie.

00:11:59.420 And it's fast, right?

00:12:01.160 And it's especially fast because we then found footage of George Zinn after the shot rings out.

00:12:08.980 And we're going to watch this.

00:12:10.780 He's going to get up and people are dispersing everywhere.

00:12:13.940 And he kind of calmly gets up and starts making his way down that stadium.

00:12:18.260 You can see that here.

00:12:20.040 We have the light on him.

00:12:22.100 And his pants fall down by themselves.

00:12:24.820 You can see that.

00:12:25.420 His pants did not, like we were kind of working on the assumption that his pants fell down because, I don't know, the police were pulling him.

00:12:33.040 But that's actually incorrect.

00:12:34.360 They just fall down all by themselves.

00:12:36.400 And you can see that a young man comes by to try to assist him, okay?

00:12:42.420 So it has nothing to do with the arrest.

00:12:45.020 Now, to be clear, when we see him sort of making his way down those stairs, we can actually approximate, because we did, like I said, we're counting seconds, that this happens earliest, 30 seconds after the shot is fired, okay?

00:13:02.760 And this clip, that clip that you just watched, is about 20 seconds long.

00:13:07.820 So it's about a full 50 seconds.

00:13:11.000 And we know that George Zinn is still sitting, is still standing right there, okay?

00:13:16.280 So somehow George Zinn needs to get from where you just saw him, where his pants fall, to handcuffs in the SUV zone in about 40 seconds flat.

00:13:28.960 Again, that's very fast.

00:13:30.620 Last, we were able to find the footage of him walking down.

00:13:36.140 He just walks down like you see him.

00:13:38.200 He just is walking down the stairs, and he has his hat in his hand, and he starts waving, and he's going toward the left side of the tent.

00:13:48.460 If you're behind the tent looking forward, like if you have Charlie's view, he is then going to kind of go down, and he walks to the left side of the tent.

00:13:57.160 So I wanted to show you this, like, second timeline that I put together, because this just lets you know what happens in the immediate aftermath.

00:14:05.840 Charlie, I mean, Charlie.

00:14:07.180 Skylar, I'm not sure if I told you to pull that.

00:14:09.660 Can you see that little timeline that we have?

00:14:11.820 Yeah, no worries.

00:14:15.100 I'll give you a couple of seconds, but we have, you know, Charlie gets shot.

00:14:18.240 40 seconds later, Charlie's brought to the SUV.

00:14:21.620 10 seconds after that is where George Zinn's pants fall down in the middle of the departing crowd.

00:14:27.280 And then a minute and 15 seconds after that shot rings out, George Zinn is waving his hat near the left side of the tent.

00:14:36.440 And then at the minute 48 second mark, George Zinn is in handcuffs, and he is being pulled near where Charlie's SUV has just departed.

00:14:46.140 It's very quick.

00:14:47.360 Okay, all of this takes place in under two minutes.

00:14:50.460 Not the vibe that I got, obviously, when you are behind your cell phone and you're getting all of these updates and you're trying to follow all the X accounts to see who has the newest information.

00:15:00.400 I certainly was not under the impression that it all took that all took place in just two minutes.

00:15:06.120 So then that photo starts circulating online.

00:15:08.420 You know which photo I'm talking about?

00:15:09.480 It's George Zinn, and he's bent down and he is in handcuffs, and that goes viral.

00:15:14.100 And so I wanted to get to the bottom of that, who actually shared that photo of George Zinn in handcuffs, and I was able to determine that that was somebody who lived in Utah who advertises with Turning Point USA.

00:15:28.780 And when he did some press about it, he didn't mention that connection to Turning Point USA, but he for sure advertises with them or has advertised in the past.

00:15:38.640 Again, things are moving unbelievably quickly, and I have now watched that footage from many angles.

00:15:46.160 And there's another thing that happens in the immediate aftermath that stands out to me.

00:15:51.340 There is what I assume must be a donor, a sponsor of some description, or an employee of a donor slash sponsor.

00:16:01.100 And he tries to get close to Charlie after the shots are fired, but not in like a rescue way.

00:16:07.520 There was already like a team of men that fly in.

00:16:11.320 And then he gets there, and I'm not sure what the intention is.

00:16:14.400 I don't know if it's just like, obviously, you're in, you're shocked.

00:16:17.740 Maybe you're trying to be helpful.

00:16:18.660 Who knows?

00:16:19.600 The security guard just kind of shoos him away immediately.

00:16:24.380 And then what the guy does is he sort of just stands up and he takes out, like, walks to the side and takes out a cell phone.

00:16:31.180 So I'm going to show you that.

00:16:32.260 But that's, he's right there in the blue shirt.

00:16:35.680 And like, he sends a text.

00:16:40.460 As I'm watching the footage, it goes on a little bit longer, like sends a text, takes a photo.

00:16:44.980 Not entirely clear what's being done there, but it just sort of stood out to me, like, in the middle of the chaos, seeing that.

00:16:51.540 And I would really like to know who that is, because we had received a ton of messages from current employees at Turning Point that had mentioned that company.

00:17:01.340 He's wearing a shirt that says Wirefy.

00:17:03.140 And according to the sources at Turning Point, it was a rather young company, meaning that the company hasn't been around for very long, that came out in a really big way in terms of sponsorship for this tour.

00:17:17.720 And that's common sense, given the fact that Wirefy, you will notice in the clips of the event, is the backdrop advertiser that's behind Charlie.

00:17:25.700 So maybe this person came because it's his first event of the season, and they are the major sponsors.

00:17:32.480 Like I said, judging by the placement and the fact that a Wirefy donor or employee is there, we can draw the conclusion that they sponsored this very event.

00:17:43.360 And I'm interested in knowing who that is.

00:17:46.860 So if you've got any answers for that, please let me know, because I would like to see what he took a picture of and to get his perspective on things.

00:17:55.820 Certainly, I would like to identify who that individual is.

00:17:58.500 I then decided to try to track down the origin of a video that actually no press has been done on.

00:18:04.380 It was the video of the, I assumed it was a student, and I think, you know, we shouldn't make assumptions, who recorded the shooter on the roof.

00:18:14.780 Remember, that started going viral.

00:18:16.180 You remember the footage, and they're like, and there's a guy that's kind of speaking in the background.

00:18:20.760 We can show you that footage right now.

00:18:23.280 Let's take a look at that footage that we're referring to.

00:18:26.580 Getting right up.

00:18:27.980 Yeah.

00:18:28.440 You'd think he'd already be in place.

00:18:30.340 You would think that.

00:18:32.320 So there's somebody on the roof right there.

00:18:34.880 Just saying.

00:18:36.000 Sure.

00:18:36.400 He just ran from over, where's my finger?

00:18:40.620 Well, from over there, ran in.

00:18:43.760 And now he's right there.

00:18:45.600 Just saying.

00:18:46.240 Okay.

00:18:48.520 Okay.

00:18:49.300 So this footage proved very difficult to track down.

00:18:54.000 And what I mean by that is it was very simple for me to find the account that made the, that published the video and made the video viral.

00:19:00.800 And when I reached out to that individual, they were immediately responsive.

00:19:03.680 And I said, hey, where did you get this, where'd you get this footage from?

00:19:06.660 And the individual said to me, a friend of a friend's, like, family member sent it.

00:19:15.600 So I'm like, okay, you're telling me the chain is already twice removed.

00:19:18.960 I said, do you know who took the video?

00:19:20.620 And he said, no, I don't know who took the video.

00:19:23.340 And when I asked the person who sent it to me to tell me who did, because I have all of these journalists, including yourself, reaching out to me, trying to get to the bottom of it, he just stopped answering me.

00:19:35.460 I said, so your friend who sent you this video just stops answering you.

00:19:38.960 And he then sends me a screenshot of a conversation that they're having on an app that I don't recognize.

00:19:45.200 Right. So we are prodding that and I'm, he has been responsive, so I'm sure he'll tell me what app this is.

00:19:51.040 And sure enough, the person says, well, there were two people actually who took that footage, which obviously isn't possible, but there are two people that were involved in taking that footage.

00:20:01.600 And he sends him two numbers and those two numbers were both Chicago based.

00:20:07.180 And when I looked up who, um, you know, whose numbers those were, it looked to me like that was just kind of leading to nowhere.

00:20:16.760 Like, why are these two Chicago based numbers?

00:20:19.060 It was very weird and very sketchy.

00:20:22.040 So then I have a guy who's on the ground in Utah and I asked him, a student to start looking around, fishing around and seeing if he could figure out who took that photo.

00:20:30.020 So again, operating under the assumption that this must have been a student that was walking by Belozzi Center and he comes back and he says, I, I have a number of an individual.

00:20:40.760 This is allegedly the person who took the footage.

00:20:43.300 And I said, do you know that person?

00:20:45.040 Is this, is this a UVU student?

00:20:46.240 He said, no.

00:20:47.320 And I said, well, where'd you get this number from?

00:20:48.760 And he says, well, on the day there was a guy named Aaron who was walking around and was checking on people.

00:20:56.140 And Aaron is the one that gave me this number.

00:20:59.060 You know, I don't know Aaron even, but like he's the person that gave it to me.

00:21:02.660 So then he, I said, can I, can I have Aaron's number?

00:21:05.340 He gives me Aaron's number.

00:21:06.360 And Aaron also has a Chicago number.

00:21:08.800 So I'm getting from somebody on the ground and I'm getting from this person on Twitter that all of these Chicago numbers are involved and that's not making sense to me.

00:21:17.680 And, um, I then tried to text that number of the person who allegedly shot the footage.

00:21:24.320 We didn't get a response until today.

00:21:26.440 We finally got a response from that person.

00:21:28.520 Happened on the phone with him.

00:21:29.960 He explains that it wasn't just him.

00:21:31.860 It was one other person, uh, who he was walking with, who saw this person run across.

00:21:38.720 Neither of them are students of UVU.

00:21:42.000 Uh, one of them, uh, said he was a student at BYU, which is Brigham Young University.

00:21:46.880 And he's like, well, I didn't take the footage, but my friend took the footage and his friend does not have a, uh, does not have a Chicago-based number.

00:21:57.060 So I am confused.

00:21:58.540 And we ask if he'd be willing to send us the footage and to get us on the phone with the person who actually took the footage.

00:22:05.160 I had a conversation with that individual after all this running around.

00:22:08.520 Hence the reason these episodes take so long to put together because you're calling people, you're waiting for responses.

00:22:13.600 And what he said to me completely betrays the narrative of what the FBI has put out.

00:22:22.120 I am working to quadruple confirm exactly who this individual is.

00:22:27.820 Uh, but he was a very much, um, and maybe this is a poor way of saying it, a straight shooter said, yes, you know, I have a training.

00:22:37.960 I, um, and I don't want to give too many identifying details here, but this person himself has a lot of experience with guns and knows guns and, um, you know, helps to train people in that sort of a capacity.

00:22:51.840 And said that they observed that individual, the FBI saying that the shooter dropped onto the roof at 1215.

00:22:59.200 Didn't make sense to him.

00:23:00.500 He said earliest it was 1222 that the individual ran across, set up, took the shots.

00:23:06.680 And I said, well, you must've been there because he then sends me, um, the, I wanted to see all of the metadata of when he took that footage.

00:23:14.860 And it, the metadata begins at 1222 and goes into 1223, the very minute that Charlie gets shot.

00:23:22.360 And he says, yeah, I saw the shots.

00:23:25.740 I had just stopped recording about 20 seconds before the shot rang out.

00:23:29.500 And he said that he told them a description of what the shooter looked like.

00:23:36.260 And it was not the description that the entire world received less than 24 hours later of this person, Tyler Robinson, wearing jeans.

00:23:45.160 I said, was he wearing jeans?

00:23:46.360 He said, no, actually, uh, this person was dressed in tactical gear and he was wearing a face mask.

00:23:53.060 And he said, according to him, and like I said, he has a lot of experience with guns, that this person looked to him like a foreign agent.

00:24:02.540 I don't, I don't know if he's wearing all black, how he got that, but he said there's no, he was very certain that this person was skilled, knew exactly what he was doing and was highly trained, like a highly trained assassin, so to speak.

00:24:15.000 He then says something else, as soon as George Zinn got arrested and that started circling, he ran to someone on campus and said, this is the wrong person.

00:24:24.460 I observe this person with my eyes.

00:24:26.360 You have the complete wrong description.

00:24:28.240 The person you're looking for is wearing tactical gear and is obviously young because I watched him sprint back after taking the shot.

00:24:34.700 I saw this with my own two eyes.

00:24:36.600 And for whatever reason, that never made its way out.

00:24:39.480 That we can see of a description of a person wearing tactical gear.

00:24:42.440 We're kind of left with this idea that he was wearing the now infamous veterans shirt with the American flag on it and some jeans.

00:24:51.920 So he also said something that we had not heard, which is that he knows guns and the gun that the FBI found was not the gun that he saw, that the gun that he saw was smaller.

00:25:05.780 And I'm going to read you directly a text message that he sent me, again, protecting his identity.

00:25:12.260 He said, watching the video of the impact, hearing the sharp crack instead of a big hunting rifles boom, and seeing what looked like a shorter rifle platform, albeit with the absence of the shape of a standard 30 round magazine.

00:25:28.260 I mean, the assassin may have used a 10 or 20 round magazine, only expecting to shoot once or twice.

00:25:35.100 I would guess that he was shot with a Hornady V Max or similar lightweight .223 bullet designed for very rapid expansion.

00:25:44.660 Of course, I don't have access to any autopsy reports like you might.

00:25:48.580 But if they found small shards of copper rather than one large copper coated lead slug, that's the gun and bullet I would expect was used.

00:25:59.960 So I wanted to share that because I know that a part of this entire thing was our upset at kind of being taken for a ride by the FBI.

00:26:08.260 It makes no sense to me that they wouldn't share those details immediately while this manhunt was taking place.

00:26:16.280 We got every other name and basically every other description and were told nothing like what this person who says that he was an eyewitness.

00:26:25.260 He was the eyewitness to this and that he went right into all this information.

00:26:29.120 Why wouldn't you share the eyewitness report that you received that completely counters the narrative?

00:26:37.560 And I would say, again, assuming this guy's story checks out and it seems to me that it did and he sent us the data and we looked at the metadata that he was the person who took that video.

00:26:48.840 It doesn't make sense to me.

00:26:50.580 It literally makes no sense to me that they would obfuscate these details when they're speaking to the public.

00:26:56.320 So, yeah, like I said, we are exploring every lead here and I just found that to be quite stunning.

00:27:03.340 I don't know what to make of all of this.

00:27:05.800 I guess what we make every single episode is the fact that they're just lying to us about everything, about literally everything.

00:27:13.680 Anyways, you guys, I want to get to some of the responses and answers that were given by Andrew Colvett, who is a PR agent for Turning Point USA.

00:27:21.780 He sat down with Alex Clark and addressed some of the things that have been going viral, particularly as it pertains to taking down the footage in the minutes following the shooting, having somebody on their team take down that footage.

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00:29:59.780 So Andrew Colvett, obviously, he's been a topic of discussion.

00:30:02.500 He did the Charlie show with him.

00:30:05.860 And so he sat next to Charlie throughout all of that.

00:30:07.940 They were very close.

00:30:08.740 He's also the PR agent for Turning Point USA.

00:30:10.820 And he's also the one that issued the statement, therefore, about what is now being termed the other magic bullet.

00:30:18.260 And magic bullet being the first one, JFK, it kind of seems like when the government might be involved, you know, bullets tend to have magical properties.

00:30:28.820 Anyways, I've said yesterday his job is pretty tough.

00:30:31.320 And it's it's made even tougher by the fact that he if he's told to say something, he has to say it.

00:30:37.540 That's just how it works in PR.

00:30:39.280 And I'm sure there are lawyers involved as well.

00:30:41.740 He went on to the Alex Clark podcast.

00:30:43.900 Now, it was kind of billed.

00:30:45.640 I think people were expecting.

00:30:46.880 But actually, Alex Clark never did say that that Erica Kirk was going to be the one to answer questions pertaining to Charlie and to clear up some rumors about his personal life.

00:30:57.740 She teased that, you know, that you were going to get unfiltered answers to burning questions like, quote, was Charlie converting to Catholicism?

00:31:08.140 Again, I have no idea who said he was converting to Catholicism.

00:31:11.620 I feel like it's like intentionally misrepresenting what was said.

00:31:15.300 Also, she was going to answer, did he take one hundred fifty million dollars from Israel?

00:31:19.580 Again, not something that we said on this show.

00:31:22.020 And again, like I told you, they're going to address the SD cards.

00:31:24.880 Now, I was very clear and I am still kind of shocked by the reaction from the evangelical community.

00:31:31.580 It was totally just it didn't make any sense to me, A, because Erica's a cradle Catholic.

00:31:37.460 I said Charlie was attending the mass because he was.

00:31:40.500 I said Charlie was playing, praying the rosary because he was.

00:31:43.520 And I said that as a Catholic, of course, I was egging him to take the next step.

00:31:48.780 But who wouldn't?

00:31:49.660 Of course, you want if you whatever your faith is, if you're evangelical and someone's thinking about converting.

00:31:54.880 Uh, you're going to want to egg them on that that totally makes sense.

00:31:57.940 And it wasn't said in an evil capacity.

00:31:59.860 I said the joke that I said to Charlie, take the next step.

00:32:03.300 You're too smart to be a Protestant. 0.98

00:32:04.900 That's a descriptor of our relationship.

00:32:06.840 We were like brother and sister.

00:32:08.620 It's said in humor and in jest.

00:32:10.900 Hey, guys, I was Protestant like five minutes ago.

00:32:13.080 So I felt like people were looking for reasons to be offended and wanted somebody to come out and slap that down and say, no, he wasn't doing the mass.

00:32:20.840 And, you know, kind of caging this like it was a war for Charlie.

00:32:24.900 It's like, no, he never took the first step in converting.

00:32:29.340 But I think going to the mass and praying the rosary, obviously, it's going to get Catholics excited.

00:32:34.140 Anyways, let's start with that.

00:32:36.940 Andrew's response to the Catholic question.

00:32:40.420 Take a listen.

00:32:41.600 Was he becoming Catholic?

00:32:42.980 No, but he really loved Catholic mass.

00:32:49.000 He loved the ritual of it.

00:32:52.000 He loved the beauty of old Catholic churches and the stained glass.

00:32:57.160 And him and Erica would go sometimes.

00:32:58.800 Well, Erica's a cradle Catholic, but she ended up kind of like me.

00:33:02.460 I grew up Catholic and first communion and went to Catholic high school.

00:33:06.540 But then I ended up becoming a Christian in college through a Protestant church, through a non-denominational kind of more experience.

00:33:13.680 Catholics are Christian.

00:33:14.400 It was actually Presbyterian.

00:33:15.340 And then it was kind of non-denominational.

00:33:18.320 And I think Erica kind of follows that same path.

00:33:21.400 She and I share that.

00:33:22.180 Also, by the way, I just want to draw attention to, she's posted a photo of her and Charlie and the kids in mass before.

00:33:28.020 And somebody in the comment section said, oh, are you guys converting?

00:33:30.440 And she said, no, we just like attending sometimes.

00:33:32.940 So she herself had said no.

00:33:34.100 Yeah, and I think Charlie, one of the things, Charlie really hated worshiping in like a gym, you know, or some sort of kind of blank space that you just turn into church.

00:33:46.360 I don't, there's no problem.

00:33:48.140 He didn't have a problem with the act of that.

00:33:50.560 He just didn't prefer it.

00:33:51.880 And he loved, again, the ritual, the ancient, you know, feel of a Catholic mass.

00:33:57.580 And the fact that everybody around the world that was worshiping is Catholic, he loved, he loved that.

00:34:04.960 So he had some really big theological hangups with that.

00:34:08.340 You can go check the videos out, him debating with Michael Knowles, you know, in good fun.

00:34:12.380 I mean, they were dear friends, but they loved kind of debating the whole Protestant versus Catholic thing.

00:34:16.460 So I didn't lie about anything, like, and yeah, he was attending mass.

00:34:24.100 And so usually if you are ritualistically attending mass, meaning he liked the ritual, I'm not sure what that means.

00:34:31.800 Like, I don't, I don't understand what we're doing.

00:34:33.960 It's, it just feels weird.

00:34:35.180 And to say he converted to Christian, Catholics are Christian.

00:34:39.140 So, uh, you know, he said, like, I think Andrew said, I converted to Christian, Christianity.

00:34:44.760 I went from being a cradle Catholic and yeah, there was no question that Erica and Charlie were attending the mass.

00:34:51.700 And that's what I said.

00:34:52.940 And I said that he was praying the rosary and there's no dispute there.

00:34:56.020 I never said he started converting to Catholicism.

00:34:58.700 I said that the Catholics were kind of thinking, you know, take the next step, Charlie, take the next step. 0.99

00:35:04.060 And I don't think it was just architectural for him, far be it for me, uh, to speak on behalf of whether he was just attending because he liked the architecture.

00:35:15.600 I think it was a little deeper than that.

00:35:16.980 And I agree that he did have some hangups, but that's kind of when you make that thing of like, he didn't really like having church in a gym.

00:35:25.440 That's a step, right?

00:35:26.600 So for me, that was a step where I was going, okay, like I, I want something that feels a little bit deeper.

00:35:32.740 However, it's a journey.

00:35:34.580 Nobody was trying to start a Catholic versus Protestant war.

00:35:38.280 I just shared something about, you know, my final conversations with him.

00:35:42.380 And a lot of the conversations were about faith, uh, towards the end.

00:35:45.260 Yeah, that's it.

00:35:46.220 Not a big deal.

00:35:47.140 Anyways, then they get to the second portion of the, something that I didn't say.

00:35:51.240 Nobody said the number 150 million or I didn't say the number Tucker didn't.

00:35:55.240 I don't know where the 150 million number came from.

00:35:56.960 If I'm being honest, I said 150 million was what BB spent on Operation Mockingpaster.

00:36:02.320 Now, the way they're going to answer this question about whether or not Charlie was offered money, Israeli money, is interesting.

00:36:09.300 Take a listen.

00:36:09.780 Again, was Charlie offered $150 million from Israel?

00:36:14.360 As far as I know, no.

00:36:15.680 I had never heard anything like that.

00:36:17.280 Everyone I've asked has said the same thing.

00:36:18.800 And by the way, just for what it's worth, it doesn't matter the amount that would have been coming down.

00:36:22.960 We would have said no.

00:36:23.900 And there's evidence that that is true.

00:36:25.460 Because turning point does not, Charlie would not accept foreign money.

00:36:29.260 Exactly.

00:36:29.760 We only took American money.

00:36:31.480 Yeah.

00:36:31.620 There was money sent to us, like practically in multiple instances where they're trying to cram it down our bank account.

00:36:38.060 And we said no.

00:36:38.700 We canceled like money wires and things.

00:36:40.780 No foreign money and also no handouts from the government.

00:36:44.100 During the pandemic, he refused to do mass layoffs that everybody else in the country was doing.

00:36:48.600 Said no to the, whatever that check was.

00:36:52.180 What was that that they were handing out?

00:36:53.380 Stimulus check.

00:36:54.100 Yeah.

00:36:54.820 The PPE loans, right?

00:36:56.040 I always get PPP and PPE mixed up.

00:36:58.020 But yeah, but it was a big, it was a good amount of money that at the time we could have used.

00:37:01.700 Yeah.

00:37:01.960 He put out a company statement saying, you know, this was tempting for sure, but we're going to say no.

00:37:07.280 Yeah.

00:37:07.500 I mean, he was very principled in that way.

00:37:09.740 He was extremely principled, especially on foreign money.

00:37:12.420 I have, I remember moments we'd be at like an event, you know, and some foreign people would come up and like demand a meeting or try and get a meeting with Charlie.

00:37:23.680 And Charlie would look at me and go deal with them, get rid of them.

00:37:26.400 Like, just, I don't want to talk to them.

00:37:29.340 Okay.

00:37:30.040 So there is this thing called FARA and every country, if they're going to influence people, if you're Qatar, if you're Iran and you want to lobby on behalf of those countries, you have to be registered under FARA.

00:37:44.440 So we know where that money is going into.

00:37:46.140 If you have literally stands for foreign agents registering, right?

00:37:49.940 If you have foreign agents in America that are working on your behalf, we would be able to see that.

00:37:55.340 But there's this magic carve out for Israel, right? 0.94

00:37:58.160 So when you say, like, was he going to take Israeli money, it's kind of a working around it, right?

00:38:05.560 Do I think that in the Turning Point accounts, it would have said Bibi Netanyahu wrote, you know, wants this money to go to, probably not.

00:38:12.640 But do I know for a fact that there are foreign agents working on behalf of Israel that gave money to Turning Point?

00:38:18.800 Yes, they do.

00:38:19.960 The question is, whether it's Bill Ackman, whether it's Bob Shulman, whether it's a ton of the donors who write big checks and are pressuring him to say stuff,

00:38:30.940 was a large sum of money offered to Charlie Kirk to take Turning Point to the next level, not that it wasn't a very high level, to the next level with the guarantee that he would represent their current perspectives and the things that were going on.

00:38:50.140 And did Charlie Kirk refuse that?

00:38:51.840 I maintain what I said, that that happened and Charlie turned the money down.

00:38:55.580 I hope that makes sense.

00:38:57.660 I do want to add on to that, that I do have concerns and maybe concerns is not the right word.

00:39:05.660 I have rather hopes that Erica, who is taking on this huge step of being the chairman and the CEO, that she has someone in her corner that she really trusts.

00:39:17.120 And what I mean is that I am not equipped to be the CEO of my little tiny company, okay?

00:39:22.740 And I've realized that how much it involves or to understand accounting, to understand how people can create LLCs, a spinoff of LLCs, how money can be hidden and pushed into different directions and into vehicles that you don't understand takes a person that is sort of trained to have that business mind.

00:39:44.220 I am grateful that my husband has that business mind.

00:39:47.580 And I just don't actually even care to have that business mind more than anything else, not that I couldn't learn it.

00:39:52.520 But I know with a company at that size, Erica is going to really need to have someone who is very much in her corner. 0.99

00:40:02.160 It breaks my heart, but she doesn't have Charlie.

00:40:04.820 Charlie would be exactly the kind of person.

00:40:06.600 It's the beauty of a partnership and they had a beautiful partnership.

00:40:09.980 But I worry.

00:40:10.800 I really do worry.

00:40:12.280 And I just wanted to express that openly to you guys.

00:40:15.060 I'm concerned about that for some reason.

00:40:17.480 And I guess the best thing to do is just ask everybody to pray for Erica, you know, pray that she has the clarity to understand and have people around her who are being honest with her because I would not want to be in her position right now.

00:40:28.340 I would not want to be in her position because where there is money, money naturally breeds snakes in the garden. 0.99

00:40:36.240 And it's very difficult to keep the grass cut low when when the yard is that expansive, so to speak.

00:40:43.160 Anyways, they then address the SD cards.

00:40:47.980 And here is what Andrew had to say about the Turning Point affiliate employee, somebody adjacent to Turning Point who removed the SD cards from the camera that was behind Charlie in the immediate aftermath of the shooting.

00:41:03.860 Take a listen.

00:41:04.280 Why did our team start taking down cameras immediately?

00:41:09.000 Was it just in shock and just thinking like, this is what we do and just not thinking it's a crime scene?

00:41:12.920 I think massive shock.

00:41:15.100 I think there's been some stories about the SD cards or whatever.

00:41:18.700 That was because even in the shock, there was an understanding that the proximity of those cameras were A, going to be evidence and they wanted to make sure they didn't get stolen out of the cameras.

00:41:34.620 But B, they didn't want anybody to run in.

00:41:37.100 I mean, there was those videos of the kid running and grabbing the hats.

00:41:39.980 Hats, yeah.

00:41:40.860 So there was an understanding.

00:41:42.640 I mean, I talked to the team on that and they said, because we know people can be evil.

00:41:47.700 Yeah.

00:41:48.040 And they grabbed the SD card so that nobody could get that footage.

00:41:50.860 So that law enforcement could get it.

00:41:52.240 Did I answer your Maha question sufficiently?

00:41:54.520 Yeah.

00:41:54.760 Okay.

00:41:54.980 He loved Maha.

00:41:56.380 He loved Maha moms too.

00:42:00.780 I think I would have probably pushed back and asked, okay, but now that, you know, the feds have kind of been fumbling the ball just a little bit, a lot of it, maybe just release everything.

00:42:14.740 And let the sleuths get on it and solve this thing.

00:42:18.940 And that's kind of what I want.

00:42:20.500 I want them to be more passionate about getting to the bottom of things a little bit.

00:42:24.100 Am I maybe being selfish by thinking that if I was close to him as Andrew Colvette every day on the show, I would be like more fired up about all the things that are going wrong.

00:42:35.600 And again, I appreciate that they also have to then turn this next page and they still have donors.

00:42:41.720 They still have the same donors that were making financial threats against Charlie and blackmailing him in his own words, by the way.

00:42:49.180 He said that he felt morally blackmailed by them if he had disagreements and they were trying to control who he could speak to and who he could be friends with.

00:42:57.160 And actually, by the way, we have a clip of Alex and Andrew speaking about that moral blackmail.

00:43:04.800 Take a listen.

00:43:05.240 There's this great clip when we were in Myrtle Beach and he got asked if, you know, from somebody in the audience, if he was going to, you know, debate Candace or, you know, disavow Tucker.

00:43:20.680 And Tucker and Charlie's answer, I thought, was amazing.

00:43:23.400 I remember he came off stage.

00:43:24.740 He's like, do you like that one?

00:43:26.220 He would always ask that for reassurance.

00:43:28.240 Yeah, he always he always loved like, did you see that?

00:43:30.380 Yeah, do I look good?

00:43:31.960 Was that a good clip?

00:43:32.860 Do you think that'll go viral?

00:43:34.160 Yeah.

00:43:34.440 And I remember saying, like, yeah, I thought it was amazing.

00:43:36.460 It was morally so crystal clear.

00:43:38.600 And he basically said, I don't appreciate being morally blackmailed.

00:43:42.760 And, you know, and every time people would say that to him, he would dig his heels in.

00:43:46.460 It's like, well, maybe Tucker's going to give two speeches now to Ampest.

00:43:51.420 And that is the truth.

00:43:53.100 We told you he said the same thing about when he was in the Hamptons, that he was feeling like he was morally blackmailed.

00:43:58.820 He was telling people that he wanted he was digging his heels in further and saying, I'm going to bring Candace back.

00:44:04.640 You know, you guys kind of bullied this ending.

00:44:08.460 And by the way, that clip he's speaking about, I actually just saw it.

00:44:13.000 It's from August.

00:44:14.340 So a month before he lost his life.

00:44:16.300 And here is Charlie in his own words about how he was feeling.

00:44:19.880 How was your relationship with Candace Owens?

00:44:22.140 She's a great friend.

00:44:23.300 You know, look, I don't agree with everything Candace says.

00:44:25.480 But you know what I don't do?

00:44:26.640 I don't stop being friends with people just because people morally blackmail me.

00:44:30.420 I don't do that.

00:44:31.100 And you shouldn't either.

00:44:32.900 Look, I have different views on things as Candace.

00:44:35.480 I have different views on Israel than Candace.

00:44:37.260 I have different views on a lot of geopolitics.

00:44:39.420 But honestly, I traveled the country with Candace.

00:44:41.120 I went to her wedding.

00:44:42.320 I saw her meet her husband.

00:44:43.840 I went to Israel with Candace, which is a fun story I'll tell you at some point.

00:44:47.400 But what I don't like is when people demand, you must stop being friends with somebody.

00:44:51.840 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:44:52.320 Whoa, that's a left-wing tactic.

00:44:54.720 Don't do that.

00:44:55.340 I'm not saying you do that, but other people do that.

00:44:57.040 We should never resort to that.

00:44:59.280 In fact, if you believe what I believe, shouldn't you want me to be friends with people that

00:45:03.600 don't agree with us?

00:45:04.580 Shouldn't you want me to also be a tool of influence?

00:45:07.140 And so I think the world of Candace, she's a great mother.

00:45:10.740 She certainly has very, very fun opinions at times.

00:45:14.440 And she's a great talent.

00:45:16.480 She says a lot of stuff that sometimes I don't agree with.

00:45:19.080 But that's what makes our relationship and our friendship interesting.

00:45:22.540 My advice to all of you, you might not like somebody, but never tell somebody like me to

00:45:27.120 stop being friends with somebody on an interpersonal level just because of disagreement.

00:45:31.000 It's bad.

00:45:31.620 It's what the left does.

00:45:32.340 And we should rise above it as conservatives.

00:45:33.600 Thank you so much.

00:45:36.160 Charlie was a very loyal friend, and I'm going to continue to be a loyal friend to Charlie.

00:45:41.020 I just, I can't stand it.

00:45:42.360 I cannot stand to see the lies that are being told, the people that are intentionally taking

00:45:47.680 things that I say out of context, that were trying to pretend that Charlie and I weren't

00:45:50.780 friends.

00:45:51.120 It is maddening.

00:45:52.540 But I know that God never gives any person more than they can handle, and I can handle

00:45:57.440 it.

00:45:58.560 And I am handling it.

00:46:00.420 And I want to get to the bottom of what was going on because I know he was under a tremendous

00:46:04.760 amount of pressure.

00:46:05.680 And like I said, I am hopeful that Erica will speak out more thoroughly.

00:46:09.720 I know she's got so much to worry about right now.

00:46:11.200 I mean, chairman, CEO, and still has to be a mother. 1.00

00:46:14.580 Pray for her.

00:46:15.280 Just pray for her because it is a huge burden to have.

00:46:18.220 And she'll get through it.

00:46:19.500 She will get through it because she has faith in the Lord.

00:46:21.580 I also want to get to this story because I want to tell you guys, we are winning in a

00:46:26.380 very big way, a lot.

00:46:27.800 I think the waking up, the awakening that's happening right now, left and right coming

00:46:30.480 together.

00:46:31.140 And I do want to shout out my lefties here because I felt like I was one of the only

00:46:35.700 people on the right who was anti-vax before it was cool.

00:46:38.960 Like I didn't, none of my kids were vaccinated and people thought it was wacky.

00:46:42.120 But before I got there, the lefty moms, left stream moms were actually the ones that 1.00

00:46:46.700 were like very on it with like, what did these products?

00:46:49.500 And yeah, that was like a weird place.

00:46:52.980 I didn't kind of fit in in conservative land being like vocally anti-vax and took a huge

00:46:57.760 risk in doing our Shot in the Dark series that's available on our website.

00:47:01.040 I think it's the most important series for any parent to watch, whether you decide to

00:47:04.780 do vaccines or not do vaccines.

00:47:06.460 Please be educated.

00:47:07.600 Get educated about each vaccine.

00:47:09.280 You will be shocked when you learn the history of them, how they came together.

00:47:12.220 Maybe not so shocked post-COVID, but you will, I think, be very shocked at how much they

00:47:16.920 lie and delude and we have all of this fear-based reaction to, in large part, accepting what

00:47:22.260 is poison.

00:47:23.260 And so Trump coming out and making a statement and calling this stuff poison and putting out

00:47:26.960 a list of things that don't need to happen.

00:47:28.540 I'm like, wow, is he watching a shot in the dark?

00:47:31.620 Has Trump signed up to CandaceOwens.com?

00:47:33.780 Is he watching?

00:47:34.840 Is he wearing a CIA hat and watching?

00:47:39.260 I think so.

00:47:40.300 And here's a statement that Trump made.

00:47:41.820 We want no mercury in the vaccine.

00:47:46.800 We want no aluminum in the vaccine.

00:47:49.820 The MMR, I think, should be taken separately.

00:47:52.560 This is based on what I feel, the mumps, measles, and the three should be taken separately.

00:48:04.400 And it seems to be that when you mix them, there could be a problem.

00:48:08.300 So there's no downside in taking them separately.

00:48:13.040 In fact, they think it's better.

00:48:14.680 So let it be separate.

00:48:16.660 The chicken pox is already separate.

00:48:19.040 Because when that got mixed in, I guess they made it four for a while, it really was bad.

00:48:23.420 So they make chicken pox.

00:48:25.600 Individually, they're okay.

00:48:27.720 When you mix them, something maybe happens.

00:48:30.060 So there's no downside in doing it.

00:48:33.900 It's not like, oh, if you do it, bad things.

00:48:35.960 No, it's only good side.

00:48:37.560 And it may not have that much of an impact, but it may have a big impact.

00:48:41.440 So let those be taken separately.

00:48:44.060 And then hepatitis B is sexually transmitted.

00:48:48.620 There's no reason to give a baby that's almost just born hepatitis B.

00:48:57.600 So I would say, wait till the baby is 12 years old and formed and take hepatitis B.

00:49:05.060 And I think if you do those things, it's going to be a whole different, it's going to be a revolution in a positive sense in the country.

00:49:12.540 I want to say this.

00:49:14.820 The reason the government is coming out and saying this, if you have not been following the news, parents are pulling their kids out of school.

00:49:20.140 I really, if you want to talk about a true turning point, and I said this a few episodes ago, I hope that what happens is that the world wakes up to the fact that the evil is taking place in the classroom.

00:49:32.740 The reason why they are coming out and admitting some of these things is because they're fearful that they're going to lose.

00:49:38.460 And I'm talking about the evildoers in this world, the psychopaths that have been poisoning us for generations, the people that have made America fat, the people that are putting Monsanto. 0.88

00:49:47.940 They hate you. 1.00

00:49:49.220 They hate me.

00:49:50.340 For them, this is a religion, okay? 0.96

00:49:52.760 And they wish to poison our offspring, their bodies and their minds.

00:49:56.340 I want to be very clear.

00:49:57.500 Both the bodies and the minds of your children are what they want.

00:50:01.860 That is the one resource that they wish to own.

00:50:04.860 It is our offspring.

00:50:06.520 They poison our minds.

00:50:07.400 That's why they want you to either abort your offspring. 0.90

00:50:09.540 If you have your offspring, they want them to be fat, addicted to drugs, and filled with pharmaceuticals and vaccines.

00:50:17.420 That's the reality.

00:50:18.360 And we have to say that.

00:50:19.360 We have to declare that boldly because now they want our speech because people are waking up.

00:50:22.640 But what you're seeing Trump say is a reaction to the amount of moms that are pulling their kids out of the public school system. 0.99

00:50:28.500 And I want to be clear, not just public, private, okay?

00:50:31.260 We began the process two weeks ago, three weeks ago, of taking our kids out and realizing that we have to be radical because the psychopaths that rule the world are radical.

00:50:40.040 And if you want to take ownership and actually invest in a better future, we have to be in control of exactly what sort of an education our children are receiving, okay?

00:50:50.640 And everything that is wrong in America and that is wrong in this world is because we gave the government domain over our children.

00:50:58.940 If you want to be a radical, get your kids out of these schools.

00:51:01.780 You can figure it out.

00:51:02.680 That's what I want to say to you guys.

00:51:03.540 You can figure it out.

00:51:04.700 They make you think you can't.

00:51:06.020 We are in their matrix.

00:51:07.260 Let's get out of the psychopathic matrix.

00:51:08.780 So I'm excited because that is really a, it's a sign of the times.

00:51:13.100 It means parents are fighting and we're winning and the government is on notice.

00:51:16.860 And now they're like, hey, what if we lax up?

00:51:18.980 Not one inch.

00:51:20.060 Not our kids.

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00:53:37.080 All right, you guys.

00:53:38.480 Let's get into some of your comments.

00:53:41.260 What is on your mind?

00:53:42.100 What else should I be looking at?

00:53:44.000 John Heinzel writes, wow, thank you so much for that donation, John.

00:53:47.240 The question I have is, why now, from an LGBTQ person, Charlie has remained consistent there.

00:53:53.200 It just makes no sense.

00:53:54.400 His public views on the genocide and Netanyahu, however, are the things that changed before his assassination.

00:54:00.260 Yeah, I never accepted the fed slop.

00:54:02.320 That's what I call it, just fed slop.

00:54:03.740 The whole message is, like I said, MAGA, my dad's extra MAGA.

00:54:07.600 That's supposed to make people that are on the left go, oh my gosh, see, it's because of MAGA dad. 0.99

00:54:13.380 It's like so ridiculous. 0.98

00:54:14.700 And then on the right, you're supposed to go, trans, it's a trans person. 0.99

00:54:18.320 We've talked about this and da-da-da-da-da.

00:54:20.340 And like, I just knew spiritually as soon as I found out that Charlie got hit that this was bigger than that.

00:54:27.280 I just knew and I maintained that.

00:54:29.820 And I think now everyone who maybe were going to accept the fed slop now appreciates that everything they're telling us makes entirely no sense.

00:54:38.420 And they're lying.

00:54:40.080 Like, they are lying about a lot.

00:54:41.420 And there's only one reason to lie.

00:54:42.720 It's because you have something to hide.

00:54:44.260 So I say, just be transparent.

00:54:45.640 I don't trust people that don't just release and speak about everything if they're being deemed suspicious.

00:54:52.120 Like, transparency and honesty, it makes everything easier.

00:54:55.060 That's why, like I said, I have no qualms about anything that I've said on this show because I don't lie.

00:54:59.220 There's no benefit.

00:54:59.880 What do you get?

00:55:00.280 What's the upside of lying about something?

00:55:03.080 And so, yeah, I think they are finding out.

00:55:05.840 And we have remained very committed to getting to the bottom of this.

00:55:08.740 Jenna V writes, thank you for fighting so hard for that precious human being, Charlie Kirk.

00:55:12.680 He was amazing.

00:55:13.860 I mean, I could say it a thousand times.

00:55:16.900 There truly would not be me without Charlie.

00:55:19.480 And I know that I held his head up during tough times.

00:55:22.760 When you are climbing and fighting through politics, that early phase and you're unknown, you go through a lot of really tough times and you're tired.

00:55:29.300 And similarly, he held my head up during a lot of tough times.

00:55:33.080 And like I said, reading the messages of me, yeah, while we were sick, tired, we just always made it work.

00:55:39.000 And he built that company.

00:55:41.020 Charlie built that company.

00:55:42.180 And I don't know why, but it just sickens me to hear any lies or misrepresentations.

00:55:48.460 It just makes me so angry.

00:55:50.460 But I know that that's something that I have to deal with, my choice emotion.

00:55:53.620 And I guess that's my vice is I always have to pull myself back consciously from wanting vengeance.

00:56:00.100 And I don't want vengeance right now.

00:56:02.960 I just want Christ.

00:56:05.100 Christ is king because Christ is truth.

00:56:07.720 And I want the truth about the truth about what happened.

00:56:11.140 And we're not getting it at that moment.

00:56:13.800 Miriam writes, British Muslim here.

00:56:15.760 Love the work you're doing.

00:56:16.540 And I so stand by the point that this is good versus evil.

00:56:19.700 Slaves versus the elites. 0.96

00:56:20.920 Yes, you are amazing.

00:56:22.340 And I keep you and your family in my prayers.

00:56:24.620 Thank you for praying for us.

00:56:25.940 Truly, the prayers work.

00:56:28.280 They are working.

00:56:29.300 And I needed them a lot last week.

00:56:30.920 I feel better this week, which is one thing.

00:56:35.520 I feel more focused in many ways.

00:56:39.100 And like I said, it arrived to me as something I really needed to hear when Erica said that it was quick.

00:56:45.600 That was eating me up inside, like not knowing that answer.

00:56:48.640 Previously, Temp writes, they didn't kill Charlie, only his physical form.

00:56:53.700 Of course, Charlie lives on with the Lord, our God in heaven forever and evermore.

00:56:58.260 Yeah, we know that.

00:56:59.800 And but it doesn't you just miss you just miss the person.

00:57:03.780 You know, that's what I haven't accepted yet is that Charlie Kirk is actually gone from this earth like that just makes me really sad.

00:57:11.200 And it just makes me really sad.

00:57:13.900 And sometimes the sadness, like I said, just turns into anger.

00:57:17.280 And I know that that will kind of it'll it will change with time.

00:57:20.800 I know that you're never a year on however you feel a year year on it will be better.

00:57:27.120 And so I hold on to that.

00:57:29.100 Carl writes, my wife and I love your show gang gang.

00:57:31.260 Thanks for always asking questions.

00:57:32.580 You've opened a lot of people's eyes up to the obvious that lying that is going on around us.

00:57:37.120 That is the point of this.

00:57:38.440 I did an interview earlier with a journalist and she kind of said, what do you think, you know, podcasting getting big?

00:57:44.100 What does it signify?

00:57:45.040 It signifies that we don't believe the establishment anymore.

00:57:48.080 And the establishment seems to be growing more radical and they want to control speech as if that's going to make us believe them more.

00:57:54.140 It's a nonsense, a terrible idea.

00:57:56.240 Mary Kelly writes, I love you, Candice.

00:57:57.400 You are my Joan of Arc prayers for you and your family flame of love rosaries.

00:58:01.420 Thank you so much for that.

00:58:03.420 Chris writes, do we know who paid for the crime scene demolition?

00:58:06.620 The pavers that were so quickly put down.

00:58:08.460 Normally, universities don't have expendable cash.

00:58:11.120 Our rosaries are with you in prayer and mass.

00:58:13.700 Thank you so much.

00:58:14.940 John 12, 23.

00:58:16.020 He ends that with we love you.

00:58:18.920 And that says that's from Michelle.

00:58:20.040 Maybe it's Michelle and Chris.

00:58:21.820 I don't know.

00:58:22.680 That's another path that we could pursue.

00:58:24.800 I feel like I thought it was the feds who did that.

00:58:28.380 I could be incorrect.

00:58:30.180 I mean, a feeling is not a fact.

00:58:31.900 So I will explore that.

00:58:33.240 That's a good question.

00:58:34.420 MC writes, there is a call on the police scanner after Charlie got shot saying they were looking for someone wearing jeans, a black shirt, a black mask and a black vest carrying a long rifle.

00:58:44.940 I heard that.

00:58:46.140 I need to go over that scanner.

00:58:47.520 And then they took that scanner when they realized that 3,000 people had suddenly tuned in.

00:58:51.780 They decided to privatize everything.

00:58:54.720 But that is true, which is why we naturally have to ask the question, why did the public never hear that description if you only had one eyewitness testimony as to what that person was wearing?

00:59:08.540 And we know that you have clear footage.

00:59:10.320 Obviously, you have tons of clear footage.

00:59:11.980 Why didn't you release it?

00:59:13.040 Was it because we were going to see somebody in tactical gear that looked foreign?

00:59:16.480 Or we were going to be able to identify the person further and realize that it wasn't Tyler Robinson.

00:59:21.560 I maintain that Tyler Robinson is one piece of this and a lot more people are involved.

00:59:27.900 And I don't have to maintain that anymore by myself because Cash Patel has signified that that is so in his long message that we spoke about yesterday, his long tweet that we spoke about, where he sort of cops to the fact that nothing they're saying at all makes any sense.

00:59:41.300 Milana writes, Hi, Candice, I wait for your live every day and dread the weekends.

00:59:45.720 What curriculum do you recommend if I were to homeschool my kids?

00:59:49.360 Okay, so we are first doing a trial curriculum for the first time next week.

00:59:55.300 So I will let you know we're kind of editing it and making it our own using a classical mixed in with Montessori approach because of the age of my children.

01:00:04.280 And obviously working in our faith, starting with a morning prayer and trying to say, okay, what can we teach them?

01:00:11.900 Because I have found that my son really loves mass, the portions of mass where he knows what's going on.

01:00:18.940 So I'm like, well, we need to do more of that.

01:00:20.140 And obviously we go to the Latin mass, which makes it a bit trickier for him.

01:00:24.020 But I'm like, well, why not?

01:00:25.100 Can they learn a Latin prayer?

01:00:26.020 So I wanted to get involved because I'm still a young Catholic student in many ways and teach them that because it would be, you know, also an opportunity for me to learn as if I was a preschooler.

01:00:37.100 So we are still working on that.

01:00:39.480 And I will definitively share all that information publicly because I want to inspire moms to take their kids out of schools, all of them.

01:00:45.920 I want you, if you're listening and you're on the fence and you're like, I know spiritually I shouldn't be sending them there.

01:00:50.620 There is a communist underground in the school.

01:00:52.780 What they want your kids to do is to do drugs. 0.99

01:00:55.280 They want to get them addicted to pornography and screens.

01:00:58.100 And the effort is to turn them into slaves.

01:01:01.280 Take your kids out of all of the schools.

01:01:02.940 That would be my advice.

01:01:04.800 Lastly, Lover of Light writes, thank you for all that you do.

01:01:08.020 I know this is a serious time, but don't forget to share some of those funny personal stories like your daughter forgetting her makeup.

01:01:14.560 Love you, Candace.

01:01:15.340 Yeah, she is, that one's got quite the imagination, my daughter.

01:01:20.060 She, my favorite thing that kids do at this age is the filibuster.

01:01:23.680 If you think congressmen are good, you got to try to get a toddler to sleep and try to leave their room and the things that they come up with.

01:01:29.880 And recently she told me that her hair hurts.

01:01:34.840 And I said, sweetie, I don't think, I don't think that's a thing.

01:01:38.120 And then she just sort of went, oh, yeah. 0.61

01:01:40.980 Oh, yeah.

01:01:41.800 Okay, we'll move on from that anyways.

01:01:43.380 Yeah, it is another thing that always gets you through really tough times, obviously, is you just be around children.

01:01:47.820 They are, they are such a light.

01:01:49.420 They really are such a light in this world.

01:01:51.780 And I want everyone to have kids.

01:01:53.940 And I want them to have lots of them because I know the government doesn't want us to have any.

01:01:56.380 They want to make our tribes smaller because they want to rule over us. 0.69

01:02:01.500 And anyways, we'll have more for you tomorrow.

01:02:04.660 Thank you guys so much.

01:02:06.000 We'll see you then.

Candace Owens - September 23, 2025

Bearing False Witness： Who Made The Charlie Kirk Videos Go Viral？｜ Candace Ep 241

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Candace Owens - September 23, 2025

Bearing False Witness： Who Made The Charlie Kirk Videos Go Viral？ ｜ Candace Ep 241

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Bearing False Witness： Who Made The Charlie Kirk Videos Go Viral？｜ Candace Ep 241