00:00:22.800So much has happened in one year since the beginning of this trial.
00:00:25.220We've obviously dedicated, me and Barron, it feels like a year of our life to this.
00:00:29.760And there's been so much information and it's hard to sort of go back and remember what happened.
00:00:34.160And so I'm hoping that we can put this all together for you so that you can reflect, remember and refresh yourselves on what you need to know going into the trial, since there's going to be a trial date set.
00:00:46.500We should know more about that tomorrow.
00:00:48.580So let's jump right in and welcome back to Candice and Baron, kind of.
00:10:23.540If he if he is having trouble walking, there are shorter routes to get where he was going.
00:10:28.640My sources, the faculty sources that I have at UVU said that he clearly wanted to be caught on camera to take those routes.
00:10:34.900And I do want to say we all made the assumption that the the gun or the disassembled on whatever it is had to have been he's dragging his leg.
00:10:44.600So there were some people who said, well, maybe he had it up here.
00:10:47.360Well, then why is he dragging his leg?
00:10:48.500If it's in his belt, there's no reason to be dragging his leg.
00:10:51.260So we have a problem there with that narrative. If you're going to say it's at the bottom, the footage that we have does not show that it's in his ankle. If you're going to say it's at the top, then you've got the problem with why is he dragging his leg? So is it performative? Is he pretending? We don't know. We obviously all know what happens next. At 12.15, he is going to reach the top of the stairs near the Losey rooftop. He walks to a short concrete wall that separates the common area from the rooftop.
00:11:16.020That's when he's just sort of looking over the wall. He stands there for about 70 seconds, and then he hops over and he ducks down. And this is where, again, assumptions were made that he reassembled the rifle.
00:11:32.180There is no evidence of that that has ever been presented.
00:11:35.340This is, they're just going, use your imagination.
00:11:37.400What do you think he does when he gets down low?
00:11:40.020Now, the hunters are going to tell you, how are we zeroing that scope?
00:12:00.640This isn't like you're going deer hunting, and if you miss, well, the deer gets away.
00:12:04.120It's not like you're going target practice shooting, and if you miss, you're like, oh, I need to move it a little bit.
00:12:09.080No, this is a once-in-a-lifetime shot, and you're going to, you know.
00:12:13.580In fact, in the pleading from the government, one of the points they made was that he was reckless and could have put other people in jeopardy because he reassembled the rifle.
00:12:23.880And he had jostled the scope in his pants the entire way there for a mile or whatever, however far he walked.
00:13:44.380Didn't even think, let me take two just in case I don't get him.
00:13:47.800And then what happens is, according to the feds, he jumps down.
00:13:54.360He runs away. And then I guess really a federal narrow just kind of gets into him really wanting to express himself to his lover about everything that he had just done. I mean, every single key detail. Yes. Every detail needed to convict Tyler Robinson was was mentioned in those text messages. Right. You would need nothing else except those text messages. Right.
00:14:19.160like everything what he was thinking the motive the who the what the when the where the hide the
00:14:24.640the why the do you remember didn't you see me when i was carving the bullets my dear my love
00:14:30.180you sort of um definitely written like a jane austen novel it's very expressive and oh i thought
00:14:36.660i would get away with it and i don't want you to get in trouble i mean it's it's a lot for a person
00:14:41.860who's supposed to be pretty smart to put all of this in writing while simultaneously saying that
00:14:47.360you wanted to get away with it so there were there was one key um discrepancy in there that
00:14:53.760i thought was strange he mentioned at first he didn't know if it had a serial number he said i
00:14:58.140don't know if it has a serial number and i don't know if it'll get traced back to me um if it does
00:15:02.000it won't get traced back to me and later he says the serial number will trace back to someone else
00:15:06.100at one point he's saying i don't know if it has one the other time he's saying yes it does and
00:15:09.520it'll go to someone else i i i think that's been unexplained um that discrepancy but yeah every
00:15:15.140Every single text message is so tied to a single element of the crime, even the enhancement factors.
00:15:32.560I mean, I've never seen anything like it.
00:15:34.360I mean, even if you're talking about a person that sells pot and it's a grandma pot, they won't.
00:15:38.540They'll be paranoid about texting about something that small.0.62
00:15:42.080But he's like full, full confession. Everything went to Lance. And that is why Lance's testimony has proven so controversial and crucial, definitely crucial to the state, controversial, I think, to the public. The Fed messages, I think, were one of the first signs, I think we can go over all of them, where the public sort of said something's not right. OK, what was the biggest thing for you?
00:17:11.180I mean, that much pressure coming into your neck, your neck is not going to expand to four times the size and come back down and not be picked.
00:17:20.000It's just the wound doesn't make sense.
00:17:22.340That was the very first indication that, to me, something went terribly wrong.
00:17:27.560I would answer the question the same way.
00:17:29.220And I would add to it, obviously, that I was not at all suspicious of Turning Point USA.
00:17:33.540So when people were going, who's this guy taking down the cameras, which I think the public saw that and was going, whoa, this is very strange.
00:17:39.880And I recognized him and I was like, well, that's Terrell.
00:17:42.020I know Terrell. I've worked with Terrell for years.
00:17:43.340And I called him thinking I was going to help him clear his name.
00:17:46.200And my immediate thing was, oh, I'm sure a police officer told him to do that immediately.
00:17:51.460And when he said that, no, he didn't do that because a police officer told him to do that and he couldn't tell me why he did it.
00:17:57.920And then when I finally got him to show me the footage from behind and his excuses weren't making sense and I realized there was no wound, I thought, is this the reason why you took the footage down quickly?
00:18:13.000Like specifically that camera of all of the cameras when he said, you know, I told him he spoke to Erica and he wanted to make sure that she didn't see what was done to Charlie.
00:18:21.680And then I look at the footage and I'm like, this is the cleanest angle you've got.
00:18:25.040A couple of blood splatters here and there.
00:18:26.500So why was this footage so crucial? And then to hear them try to explain away why it didn't go through. And the Superman neck narrative that he was a man of steel and it was a modern day Christian miracle. That's when things got, I felt, were very weird.
00:18:46.060Andrew Colvett has never retracted that tweet. He's never retracted it. That Superman neck tweet is still on his timeline, and I don't believe he's admitted that that didn't happen.
00:18:59.260Well, no, that the conversation with the doctor didn't happen. I don't think he's admitted that yet.
00:19:03.300But you know, because the conversation with the doctor did technically happen. He's just quoting not the doctor. And I think they were very panicked. I know they were panicked. I know for a fact that the feds were on the phone with them and trying to discern whether or not I had recorded the conversation with Terrell on FaceTime, which I had, gratefully.
00:19:26.840Yeah. And then I think one of the things that's very strange is them sort of stepping on the day of Charlie's actual funeral, being concerned about the fact that I had told the public that the bullet didn't go through. And, you know, that was the common sense factor. Like, I did not believe Erica at all when she said to me that Andrew went rogue and spoke to the surgeon alone. And the surgeon also went rogue, violated HIPAA and spoke to a PR agent. It was a little too steep of a hill.
00:19:55.520Well, and before Terrell Farnsworth grabs the camera footage, don't forget he runs at breakneck speed. I mean, Carl Lewis speed to jump up on a wall and film a selfie of himself declaring Charlie dead. The first person to pronounce Charlie dead was Terrell Farnsworth. And it was within a minute or so of Charlie even going down.
00:20:15.040He declares him dead. He has this very awkward selfie moment. He keeps flipping the camera around back and forth so you can see them dragging Charlie off. It was gruesome. And it was so awkward. I still to this day do not understand why he showed that to you.
00:21:23.360I've earned the trust, I think, enough of people that if I say, look, I saw the footage and it's horrific and he did want to just get it down or the cops told him.
00:22:58.220roughly i do remember that i had the phone call with terrell i think it's it was on the september
00:23:04.28019 i was i was gonna say it was the 17th okay i could definitely look into that but it was it was
00:23:09.940early do you remember when you reported it oh 19th was when i had the phone call with him
00:23:14.36019th was the facetime actually says yeah and do you remember when you reported it the very next
00:23:19.940day okay so you know i should have known that of course because it was the day of charlie's
00:23:22.900actual funeral not not the um funeral event that was open to the public but the actual funeral and
00:23:29.560that's the day that the fed slot narrative started unwinding yeah and that was the day that he tweeted
00:23:34.680he tweeted because they were kind of panicking and justin strife was calling my husband my husband
00:23:39.140has no idea what was going on my husband doesn't watch show he's like what he's like did you record
00:23:42.300some video i've got justin strife calling me and i'm like why is he calling you asking this question
00:23:46.960why does he care why does he care and i didn't put two and two together because i was still
00:23:51.520remember i was totally aggrieved in the state and my brain wasn't processing information the right
00:23:56.540way and then i went oh this is a very big deal it's a very big deal i i think the the knock
00:24:03.800against candace owens is well she's never brought anything she just has dreams no we would all still
00:24:09.060think that bullet went through yeah and that was the point i think we would all still think it went
00:24:13.200through and and frankly even people like me as skeptical as i am would have would have accepted
00:24:18.780perhaps the gunshot narrative at that point yeah me certainly me so i want to kind of get into some
00:24:24.980of the holes that have emerged because they're the feds have changed the story so many times it's
00:24:28.700kind of incredible to reflect on the things that they just dropped or completely changed
00:24:32.500and there's no excuse for these changes like initially when they came out and they said okay
00:24:37.400we've got our guide and they did this big press conference i think it was on september 14th and
00:24:41.980then you had cash patel and you had governor cox so they've now reviewed the footage um and they're
00:24:46.900presenting to the public. And Governor Cox tells us that he changed his clothes on the rooftop.
00:24:53.700So that was a narrative that they just dropped and let go of. That's a very big thing for him
00:24:58.860to have made a mistake about. And no one interjected and said, no, that's not correct.
00:25:03.580We were also told that Tyler Robinson was suicidal and that his parents were concerned
00:25:10.720that he was going to commit suicide. And they were effectively, you know, talking him off
00:25:15.060will allege. We were, this was a major one, told that his father turned him in because his father
00:25:20.040thought he was guilty. And Bill Ackman publicly offered $1 million to Matt Robinson, like,
00:25:28.000because you're the person that saw this. What a brave father you are. Here's a million dollars.
00:25:35.160That's just been dropped. And I want to add here, I spoke to Bill Ackman at this time.
00:25:39.520And I asked him specifically, I did, I was totally upfront trying to get, and he was kind of lecturing me a little bit about being careful with my platform because it's a very big platform and people can, you know, draw conclusions and making sure that I have the facts.
00:26:07.380But looking back now, do you think it was a threat?
00:26:08.860No, I think he genuinely was concerned that people were roping him into things that were not true. I think he cares deeply about public perception of him.
00:26:20.180So I never felt the conversation was perfectly friendly. And I said to him, like, I'm not trying. I just want to know what happened. And I wanted to ask him, obviously, about the Hampton Summit. And he was honest about the fact that he had funded the influencers to come out there.
00:26:32.120and uh regarding the father training i said so who did you get the money to matt robinson and he said
00:26:38.420that he was giving the money to the feds okay is that public that's not public this is the first
00:26:43.780time i'm telling people this i don't remember hearing that yeah no i because like you know i
00:26:48.260was not trying to i don't i don't have any personal ill will towards bill ackman i have ill will
00:26:54.000towards people that are lying about what charlie was going through throughout those days and haven't
00:26:57.520been forthcoming and so he was forthcoming about the summit basically said how we got involved and
00:27:02.100And I then switched and I said, well, what if it's, we don't really know anything about the case.
00:27:05.680I said, you're giving a million dollars to Matt Robinson's dad.
00:27:31.100I was just genuinely had did not have this like this person did it or this person did it or like I just was sort of like now I see his motives.
00:27:39.200Like now he's like sharing like feds, not even feds, like targeting me and my family.
00:27:59.140And I because I was just investigating things and we talked about the Hampton Summit. And like I said, he was forthcoming. He was nice. I did not in any way feel threatened. I just wanted information. I spoke to everybody, anybody who was willing to talk. I was willing to talk to. But I do think it's relevant that he did say that the money was going to the to the FBI and the FBI could then give the money to whoever they wanted.
00:28:19.640And I and I immediately sensed a problem with that because I said, OK, well, like if someone comes forward to catch it because he offered a reward, more information.
00:28:28.560And then he said it was going to Matt Robinson. And then I had a source who told me that Matt Robinson never even had a conversation to that effect.
00:28:34.860So I was like, what's going on with that Bill Ackman story? Somebody should follow up with that.
00:28:40.420That is that is so bizarre to hand over a million dollars to the feds over a year ago.
00:28:46.160Ash, can you try to find that tweet? I know that's a long time ago. That'll at least let us like date it and figure out when he made that. Because it was pretty fast. And then he said something about how brave Matt Robinson was and like the money. He put up basically a reward money and then said it was going to Matt because Matt turned in Tyler. So it was instant before Tyler Robinson had been arrested.
00:29:06.260So do you think it was to try to set the narrative in the public consciousness that Matt Robinson turned into Sun?
00:29:14.120I do. And I think that I underestimated how invested Bill Ackman was in this until time went on and I started seeing, like, his, you know, personal vindictiveness toward me.
00:29:27.700And if you just hosted a summit in the Hamptons, why are you angry about the fact that we exposed it?
00:29:36.000I mean, Seth Dillon lied. You got it? You want to pull it up? I'm going to pull up that tweet here.
00:29:43.960Oh, that says, oh, okay, here we go. He's replying to a tweet breaking Alex Brucewitz and Robbie
00:29:51.180Starbuck. Add $25,000 each to the FBI's $100,000 award for information leading to the capture of
00:29:57.660Charlie Kirk's assassin. It's now at $150,000. And then Bill Ackman says, I am in for a million
00:30:03.440dollars so this was like whoa you know that's a lot of money and he seemed sincere in that like
00:30:09.260if he had just seen charlie at his house a couple of months i'm like okay he's got money that's to
00:30:13.220him that's us giving 5k right like like so he's like i got five yeah like 50 bucks or whatever
00:30:18.540so yeah the the like some of the comments like million dollar baby that that's would have been
00:30:24.180a great thumbnail title million dollar baby i'd like to chase that down that that to me is a loose
00:30:28.160send. But yeah, they dropped that entirely. The Bill Ackman money story got completely,
00:30:32.500completely dropped, as did the father turning him in. It never happened. As I have said from
00:30:38.160the very beginning, the father does not believe that his son is guilty and that they're just,
00:30:44.480they just kept lying about that. It seems like now they're not really lying about that,
00:30:47.900but more will come out if they are. They first reported that the screwdriver was found near the
00:30:54.180gun. Then they radically changed that and said, actually, it was found on the rooftop. CNN was
00:31:00.320the first to report it. And then they came out and said, oh, there was all this confusion in the
00:31:04.300early days. And so that changed. And then the Discord narrative changed. Do you remember what
00:31:10.220happened with Discord? No. Can we go back to the screwdriver for just a second? Because there was
00:31:14.840a key fact that that came in between the screwdriver being dropped. Originally, the screwdriver was
00:32:20.040Yeah. And I do want to go over the evidence. I want people to understand what actually happened during the preliminary hearing and how how to weigh that evidence, how relevant that evidence is. That was actually something I desperately wanted to do when I was debating Andrew Wilson. But obviously he had no idea what was going on. So I'm glad we had the opportunity to do that today. I want to we can do that right after this, too.
00:32:38.180the discord message narrative that was dropped i do want to point to uh the fact that a lot of
00:32:41.980these narratives were set by the probable cause um uh what is this like the write-up that they gave
00:32:48.380the affidavit right and in this update i'm gonna read to you what it says happened so they then
00:32:54.500gaslit us and were like no there was never any messages on discord because discord themselves
00:32:57.940came out and said these conversations did not take place on discord and what people don't realize
00:38:07.800and they've had a year to get the answer to something,
00:38:09.880almost a year, it strikes me as odd. And he says that he did not know and did not remember
00:38:17.460who was the plainclothes officer that accompanied him onto the rooftop at Losey.
00:38:24.460That, to me, registered as not the whole truth.
00:38:29.560Yeah, hugely problematic. And the idea that you would just take a random guy in plainclothes
00:38:34.340with a gun at a shooting event that you don't know and say, here, come with me to this isolated
00:38:40.680remote location and we'll go up there together. How do I know you're not the killer? Yeah. And
00:38:45.140the whole idea that he just was meandering around, I was like, wait a minute, we should go to the
00:38:48.520Losi Center. I find that problematic as well. You know, I'm not, I'm not suggesting, I don't
00:38:54.540think overtly that I believe Bagley was, was in on it or whatever, but I think he, his testimony
00:38:59.300was just a disaster. I would say it was unconvincing. It was very unconvincing. And the
00:39:04.100axon body camera dying i mean every police officer across the united states messaged me
00:39:08.560and we're like candace this the axon body it gives you a warning before it dies it beeps loudly
00:39:13.240it turns red so did he not know did he not hear that that also seems extraordinary and he's on
00:39:21.260photo and video shortly before going up to the losi center and there's no red ring around his
00:39:26.220axon body camera yeah so i am keen to hear more about that and hopefully we will but i would say
00:39:33.020Definitely unconvincing. Trial day one. Then they bring in the second witness, which is Agent David Hull. Agent David Hull has been with the SBI. So the State Bureau of Investigations for 12 years. And he is the co-lead investigator on this case. He was initially put on the case with Brian Davis. We'll get to him in a bit. And he is he's sizzle real guy. That's the best way to remember him is he is sizzle real guy.
00:39:56.980He is the person that is going to present the video, the now notorious video, 12.1 of who they are just calling Tyler Robinson in the video that is here.
00:40:09.020He is coming onto campus and here's what he's doing and here's what the event.
00:40:12.640And then he went here. He's speaking very quickly through the video and basically trying to just get you to think that this individual that we're seeing is Tyler Robinson.
00:40:21.340How did you find Agent David Hull and his sizzle reel?
00:40:25.380I found him entirely unconvincing for a couple of reasons, not just his haircut, for a couple of reasons. One is the photos, I mean, the videos he was showing were out of order. They skipped around. Some of them were mirrored. Some of them jumped ahead a minute and a half and he didn't explain why. Sometimes there's a video up and he's talking about a different time period.
00:40:43.860You know, there's a guy standing in black at the top of a stairwell.
00:40:48.860He's talking about a guy in maroon walking around campus.
00:40:51.980It was so out of order, so out of sorts that you look at it and thought, what is he doing?
00:41:09.300okay a guy leaves and another guy comes back dressed completely differently head to toe
00:41:14.440with a different backpack why do you think it's tyler robinson i don't know kind of looks like
00:41:18.320him oh okay guilty as charged guilty the best part was he did know they were wearing the same
00:41:23.960similar sneakers converse sneakers yeah yeah we should actually roll that clip i still think it's
00:41:28.780one of the most amazing things i've ever this the toughest police work i've ever seen take a listen
00:41:33.680Do you recognize the person in these images?
00:41:38.420I wouldn't say with 100 percent certainty just because of camera quality, but that looks like him in terms of the shoes he's wearing, the sunglasses.
00:41:50.660Yeah, sorry, I think that was the wrong clip. That was Lance. But similarly, Lance did also say, like, yeah, he's wearing jeans.
00:41:55.860I mean, this was how they figured out that person one was person two, is that nobody's ever worn jeans on a college campus and a T-shirt and Converse.
00:42:02.860But Agent Hull specifically says, this is how we, because I was, that's a big thing.
00:42:06.640How did you even know the maroon guy was the guy that comes back in the black shirt?
00:42:09.620And that was their police agent, SBI, co-lead investigator saying, because they were both wearing Converse sneakers.
00:42:17.620He had a different hat, a different shirt, different pants.
00:42:59.940So I'm going, they have not even connected these two people yet in a way that is sufficient, that people should publicly accept as concrete evidence.
00:43:07.600Maybe they will, but for me, this is a major hole in the story.
00:43:10.200How do we know Maroon Boy is not a completely different person than the person who reappears onto campus around 11 a.m.?
00:43:16.480Well, and it's not lost on me that this is a criminal trial for the life of Tyler Robinson.
00:44:18.520he is not aware of who ordered the dirt to be paved the uh the crime of the scene to be paid
00:44:25.360over the dirt didn't he say that he learned it the same way everyone else by the news or social
00:44:30.620media or something he may have he's but i know he officially for and these are just my notes
00:44:35.540he says that he doesn't know who ordered so he he's the lead investigator and it's not something
00:44:40.240in 10 months that he thought hey that is kind of weird yeah that's my crime scene who's doing that
00:44:45.720He's just like, no, no, tore up 10 inches of my crime scene and I'm OK.
00:44:49.160I'm OK with it. Never wanted to know anything.
00:44:51.260And by the way, that suggests that it's someone higher than him.
00:44:54.420Because if you're the SBI and somebody did this and you don't know, you're the lead on this case and the person who ordered it.
00:45:01.200And again, this is me using common sense has to sit above you.
00:45:04.460Right. We got it. We got someone who sits above the lead on the case in the SBI because you can't go messing around with somebody's crime scene a couple of days later.
00:45:11.860I wouldn't think you could dig 10 inches of it up and then pave it over.
00:48:21.700it does not mean that the individual touched that item or used that item
00:48:25.460because that's how easy it is to transfer DNA.
00:48:28.700She said also that DNA can persist on any item indefinitely
00:48:33.160and also that it can degrade over time.
00:48:37.080They have worked on items in her experience that were 40 or 50 years old and they were still able to recover DNA from that item.
00:48:46.480Like that is like degraded. She said you'll see that there's some degrading signs, but like this could have been touched 50 years ago and we could still pull your DNA.
00:48:55.020That's incredible. Tyler could have used that gun when he was 12 years old.
00:48:58.860And he could have never touched it. Right. He could have touched his father's hand.
00:49:02.300Well, and the thing, I mean, Lance Twiggs could have grabbed a toothbrush and rubbed it on everything.
00:49:05.960He could have rubbed his bath towel and everything.
00:52:25.100And again, regarding the towel, we again have a situation where both Lance Twiggs and Tyler Robinson have some DNA on those items.
00:52:33.800So if you're going to make the statement that you think the evidence is overwhelming on the basis of DNA, that we don't know how it got on there or if they ever touched it, you're now saying evenly you believe that it was Tyler Robinson and you believe that it could be Lance Twiggs on the basis of those two items.
00:52:50.740Yeah. So knowing that Amanda Baker testifies and says that she never made the statement and she was asked to basically stop looking into and doing comparisons.
00:52:58.560And she was under duress and it was rushed. Listen to how Kash Patel presents this information.
00:53:03.360And I can report today that the DNA hits from the towel that was wrapped around the firearm and the DNA on the screwdriver are positively processed for the suspect in custody.
00:53:15.880Amanda Baker disputes that, and she works for him.
00:55:42.820Remember, privacy is not paranoia. It's just protection.
00:55:47.680OK, so we then hear from the other half, the co-agent that was assigned to lead the case, Sergeant Brian Davis, and he kind of gets he's kind of the guy that gets everything together for the probative cause hearing.
00:55:59.580he talks about this character, Mike Mitchell. I don't know how I feel about Mike Mitchell. I feel
00:56:03.840like Mike Mitchell is kind of a shady character who gave the police what they needed for the
00:56:09.640probable cause affidavit. And I don't know how I feel about him. This shady character in the
00:56:16.280background is a family friend of the Robinsons. I think most of the information that they used
00:56:21.960was probably given to them by Mike Mitchell. We'll find out, obviously. We don't need to
00:56:26.080read into that. But he does also talk about why they decided to give Lance use immunity. And I
00:56:35.480do not understand. If Lance is telling the truth, you have a prerecorded interview. Can't go wrong
00:56:41.100here. It's prerecorded. You have almost a year, nine, 10 months here to go check his messages,
00:56:47.280see what's right, see what's accurate. Maybe I'm ignorant. You have a legal background. I don't.0.63
00:56:52.060Why are they giving Lance use immunity for this pre-recorded testimony?
00:56:55.800I honestly don't know, except if I have a client and he's going to testify and he lived
00:57:00.460with a guy and he touched a piece of evidence, I would probably say he's going to take the
00:57:04.820fifth unless you give him use immunity.
00:58:22.660He was sleeping until 12 or 1 o'clock p.m.
00:58:25.240And then even when he found out that Charlie Kirk had been assassinated, he wasn't that interested in the biggest assassination, just JFK.
00:58:33.300Is it possible that he logged in to his boyfriend Discord account?
00:58:38.700Is it possible, since they play video games and they're on this whole, you know, threads together, that he logged in to his boyfriend's text messages on iMessage?
00:58:47.940Is it weird to anybody that when we see Lance's phone and he's giving his testimony that the phone is cracked at the part where we can see the time?
00:59:01.760Wow, that's—how do you break your phone like that?
00:59:05.100There's a couple of things about this.
00:59:06.500One is that that dead cell that goes from the top to the bottom, then green, it crosses over and sometimes it doesn't cross over the text messages.
00:59:34.800So when your phone dies, you know, where the whatever it was hit the clock area up there at the top, sometimes it will do enough damage that it'll kill that whole cell from top to bottom.
00:59:59.340And it's really interesting that, like, in the probable cause affidavit, like, they mentioned the fact that they took photos of his phone. And this is obviously the photos of his phone. The fact that right where we could see the time of that, which is where we could place Lance at the police station, that's where he's supposed to be, not able to be done.
01:00:15.880And that looks to me like he just stabbed somebody just stabbed the corner. And when you go and watch his body language, he looks very uncomfortable when he's talking about these messages. Even at one point, I think he says like the phone as opposed to my phone. I think I'm recalling that correctly. And they totally loosens up when he is telling the truth when they're like, well, how do you know, Tyler? And then suddenly you suddenly know he's telling the truth. And he's like, oh, we play video games. We met because of this, yada, yada, yada, all of this stuff.
01:00:40.800And I'm going, OK, there's a totally different demeanor here than when he starts speaking about these text messages and he's like, I don't know. And getting into Lance Twiggs' pre-recorded interview, he also tells us rather explosively their entire narrative is that this is like an LGBTQ crime. The text messages also portray that that's the narrative. So he's telling, why did you do this? You know, some hate can't be negotiated. But then Lance gets up there and he says.0.87
01:01:06.880never really thought about it never talked about it it never came up a couple of things on the
01:01:12.400text messages one is there are a lot of people who suggest maybe the text messages arrived on
01:01:18.640lance's and tyler's phone uh from some source originating outside of tyler's phone and a lot
01:01:25.040of people go oh well maybe the government planted them i don't think the government could have
01:01:28.000planted them i think it's pretty complex but i don't think it would have been hard if you read
01:01:31.400the search warrants they pulled out all kinds of ios devices all kinds of operating mac operating
01:01:36.460system devices, iPads, other iPhones, a computer tower that could have been logged in, a Raspberry
01:01:44.540Pi device that could have potentially generated these types of text messages.
01:01:48.680It's not out of the realm of possibility for me to believe that someone might have logged
01:01:53.600into his account or just accessed an account that was already logged in and generated these
01:02:09.500Let me look at the actual technical information.
01:02:12.860And then I'll make a determination whether I think these text messages rise to the level of convicting Tyler Robinson.
01:02:18.680Because a lot of people are convicting Tyler Robinson in their minds based on these text messages, again, that have not been properly authenticated.
01:02:34.280Yeah. And like I said, the text messages are just, they're unbelievable. It's way too detailed. They said way too much. It's like you said, every single piece that they would need to convict them is in these messages. And that's just, it's too stupid for me to believe that any person would not just, especially if you're going to see them later that night, just drive home.
01:02:52.980Yeah. Have a conversation face to face. You would expect him to say, can you meet? Can we do this? Whatever, whatever. I'll be home in four hours. I'm waiting. I'm waiting to retrieve my rifle. I'm doing this. It just is completely crazy to me. I do not accept the messages are legitimate just on the basis of common sense. I am happy to be proven wrong. We have not yet been presented with anything. Obviously, it's a preliminary hearing, but I find it they're just a little bit too precise.0.99
01:03:19.260He does open up about their relationship, how they got to know each other.
01:05:18.480And again, a confession, a confession.
01:05:20.740And so I'm very keen on when the defense is going to be able to question Lance about his sleeping spells, about how he knew that Tyler left around four or five o'clock that morning, why he was not interested at all in this, the biggest assassination, a manhunt that's happening.
01:05:36.680And that even when he was told and knew fully that Tyler Robinson was involved, why he would be comfortable staying in that house and staying in that environment.
01:05:44.780uh something else on that on his testimony i'm very curious why his mother had her big birthday
01:05:50.440party at 9 a.m or 8 a.m or whatever on the on the 11th it was it was a very weird um
01:05:57.960whose birthday party maybe i'm getting it wrong but he was going over to his parents house and
01:06:01.940he felt like he couldn't leave you remember that he was saying i don't know if i can leave my
01:06:05.700parents house i need to make up a reason to leave my parents house right you're a grown man you live
01:06:09.260somewhere else i gotta run an errand i'll be back yeah why are you so worried about where mom and
01:06:13.200dad think you're going yeah i mean it's a it's a the the entire narrative around lance twig's
01:06:19.140testimony particularly when he woke up the next morning did he wake up in his house did he wake
01:06:25.000up at his parents house when did he go to his parents house when did he see tyler robson it's
01:06:28.500very muddy distinguishing between the text messages and his testimony it's hard to to
01:06:33.420reconcile both of them right they look very different to me on paper and and in his uh his
01:06:38.000oral words. And I do want to say, having done
01:13:57.420They jumped in and they forgot their bag.
01:13:58.620And this has been one of the biggest problems with Turning Point USA is that even when they could provide clarity for things and not be shady, they always opt not to.
01:14:06.600And they kind of hide behind this idea.
01:14:09.060OK, if anything that you tell the public somehow gets in the way of Tyler Robinson being convicted, then we can't convict Tyler Robinson on the basis of unreasonable doubt.
01:14:24.140And so especially if you're just saying it was a backpack that was abandoned, you just say this person suddenly decided to run all the way up and for some obscure reason said, and now I've got to offload my backpack.
01:14:33.800Like that, something's very not right with that.
01:16:28.480So looking for, effectively, the easiest way to think about is it's a birthmark.
01:16:31.740It's a birthmark, and she should be able to find this birthmark on the basis of her skill set and her science of being able to connect guns to bullets that have been fired, okay?
01:16:43.900Then we learned that, actually, she's not that qualified to do this, okay?0.84
01:16:48.440We learned that Samantha Karner has only ever taken one bullet proficiency test in her life, and that was in 2023.
01:16:56.040three. And it was a year where everyone kind of failed the test. And he questions her about this.
01:17:01.700He's like, so you've only taken one bullet proficiency test? She's like, yeah. And he's
01:17:04.740like, and that was a pretty traumatic year, right? Because everybody kind of failed. And the test is
01:17:09.660just one question. They give them a bullet and they give them a gun and they're supposed to
01:17:14.980observe these striations, like the little marks on the bullet. And they're supposed to tell them
01:17:19.560if it's a match. And Samantha's like all pompous up there. And she's like, I actually didn't fail.1.00
01:18:03.320I don't remember the exact year, but that sounds correct, yes.
01:18:05.660Right. And is it true that that proficiency test involved a test where you had questioned bullets and then you had two sets of bullets, one that was fired from one gun, not the suspect gun, and then a second gun that was fired from another gun?
01:18:32.200I don't remember the exact final ground truth answers that were there.
01:19:16.720Even though the correct answer was that the bullets did not come from the question, the two did not match, the known in the question should have been an elimination.
01:19:33.900The ground truth answer was yes, they were excluded.
01:19:36.960However, an inconclusive result in this comparison was extremely appropriate.
01:19:41.080The lack of quality and quantity of those individual characteristics never reached sufficient agreement, nor did it ever reach sufficient disagreement.
01:19:48.980So saying anything but inconclusive was not appropriate.
01:22:41.660And by the time he gets through it, it's a totally made-up science that's based on your eyes.
01:22:46.020And she does say that, that it was—it's her opinion.
01:22:48.400But her opinion always just happens to be wrong.
01:22:50.660And every time the answer is no, which is what she demonstrates, whether it's in her test for characteristics, subclass characteristics, her exam, or whether it's in the real life example that he makes her do three times, each time the answer is no, she votes inconclusive.
01:23:04.940And guess what she voted for the Charlie Kirk one?
01:23:57.260And that's why I said he's going to have to get that and get to the points a lot quicker because it takes a very long time to go through testimony.
01:24:03.480And we pulled it out and made it easy for you.1.00
01:24:05.140This woman has no idea what she's talking about.0.99
01:25:17.380From a scientific standpoint, you couldn't read the paragraph that sets out the likelihood ratio in your report, whatever the number, and then blast a headline in the media.
01:25:29.220Mr. Robinson's DNA is found on this item.
01:25:32.020That's a source attribution, is it not?
01:25:38.520so it's a scientifically indefensible statement to say that tyler robinson's dna was found on the
01:25:45.220gun you can find that in the trial day day five go through it watch it and she's like yeah i don't
01:25:50.580i don't really know why the media said that and then she also notes crucially that the dna that
01:25:55.620was found on the gun going back to why it's important to understand the science of degradation
01:25:58.900was extremely the most degraded prints that were found on the gun were tyler robinson's
01:26:03.920They can't get over that scientific hump. There's no reason why Tyler Robinson would have, if he carried this gun and he had it and then he put it together, like Blake Neff said, and he's not that he would have degraded prints on the most degraded prints on the gun, meaning that Matt Robinson's prints were stronger on the gun.
01:26:23.960They said they found four or five sets of prints on the gun. They didn't name all the people, but they did name Matt Robinson. How are you explaining that?
01:26:32.900We've got a real problem on our hands.
01:26:34.560And so you have DNA issues, you have bullet striation issues, you've got fingerprint issues.
01:26:40.020All three of those in a trial, the defense is going to jump up and down during the closing
01:27:02.260Like she literally testified the opposite and said, I don't know how it got there. And it's his in particular are very degraded. And as I said, degraded could mean that he touched it 20 years ago, 20 years ago. And he didn't even touch it, by the way. And that's why it's going to get down to the chemistry. And I think one of the flaws of Tyler Robinson's defense attorneys, I think that he's that guy's actually the strongest lawyer in terms of what he knows. He is the worst lawyer in terms of communication, his communication skill set.
01:27:28.340So it's like the super science math people who can't communicate it quickly and tell you what they're getting at.
01:27:34.500He's going to have to work on that because they can just say, get to the point where we're not going to use it.
01:27:38.660You don't have all day to be able to lay out everything.
01:27:41.600And so they're going to have to work on that.
01:27:45.900By the time you got through this testimony, took notes, looked up what bullet striations were, refreshed your memory on chemistry, you realize they do not have the science is simply not on the prosecution's side.
01:27:57.300It's not. And the influencers can come out and say it's overwhelming. There's DNA. There's fingerprints. The bullet match. No, no. And no, not beyond a reasonable doubt. Again, yeah, because some some guy who who's in a lab holds something up, you know, in front of his face says, yeah, they kind of look alike. But but not not even in this case. They're not even say, yeah, they kind of look alike. They're testifying. No, I was stopped in the middle and told to stop going. Right. No, I don't know whether it matches or not. I failed my test.
01:29:38.640And I'm telling you, you watch that preliminary hearing.
01:29:41.200If it wasn't Charlie Kirk and you hadn't been subjected to this year long psychological
01:29:45.680operation, influence operation, this this juke and jive operation that's been going on for
01:29:49.880a year, if you just watched it, if it was Bill Smith that had died and, you know, Roger
01:29:54.920Davidson that was allegedly shot him, and you watched this preliminary hearing, most people
01:29:59.700would walk out and say, man, the prosecution's case is not very solid. It looks really weak to
01:30:04.760me. But because we've been told for a solid year every time, and it's propaganda, you repeat it
01:30:10.680enough, people start to believe it. What would you say, and I want to now start talking about
01:30:14.440Turning Point USA, they've made a ton of mistakes, and they continue to make a ton of mistakes every
01:30:19.160single day. I mean, we could have even spoken about this morning, this weird lie that they
01:30:23.180dropped and now they deleted from the internet i don't want to put it on turning point usa but
01:30:26.760one of their newer influencers claiming that like erica offered for me to see the um um i'm
01:30:35.000the autopsy the autopsy report i was gonna say the death certificate or the photo i don't even
01:30:38.120know if it was the report or the photos it was the autopsy report and now they've deleted from
01:30:42.260the internet like what what what do you think well can we state on the record did were you offered
01:30:47.800the autopsy to review the craziest lie i mean i knew it was going to be deleted fast i was like
01:30:52.180this is like just weird like were you offered the finances had it it'd be weird if she you know
01:30:56.380what she had said something about the uh the guy who made the videos regarding the finances she was
01:31:02.320talking about how um wolf in finance wolves in finance had made all these videos and like was
01:31:08.200talking about the filings and stuff and i said to her even if you gave me all the account i'm not
01:31:12.200that's not my focus in this investigation i was like because i'm not a math accounting person
01:31:16.280and there's nothing i can do so we talked about the finances and how that was a problem and i
01:31:20.680said genuinely i'm not the right person for this and it's not it's not where i can add my expertise
01:31:23.660and i've maintained that throughout this entire process i'm the person that broke the story that
01:31:27.300charlie wanted this doge um and he suspected that money was missing out of turning point action in
01:31:31.920particular uh but i'm not the person that's going up on their filings and talking about who's giving
01:31:37.660money uh so we did discuss the finances but did she say i have them with me would you like to look
01:31:42.080at them i don't think she did no because what would she give me that spreadsheet i don't know
01:31:46.640That's what I'm saying. It's like, what could she give me? And maybe she offered, like, I could get you something or whatever. And I was like, genuinely, it's just not my skill set. Like, I'm not the person that you're going to hand a finance and accounting spreadsheet to. I'm better at putting together a timeline. I want to answer questions about why people are acting weird. I want to know what's going on with the surgeon. That's what I came here to do. I don't want to get to segue on something that I'm not contributing or asking a question about. The autopsy report we didn't even discuss. Like, that was never even a topic of discussion.
01:32:11.840So I thought it was so weird that he comes out and he says this, and now it's since been deleted.
01:32:16.940Why would you do that? Like, actually, why would you do that?
01:32:19.320I can only think of one of, I do everything in a decision tree. If you watch my show,
01:32:22.580you see me do this a lot. But I can really only think of two reasons. Option A, Erica said that
01:32:27.640to him. And in a bizarre moment of untruth, untruthfulness, maybe rare and bizarre for
01:32:34.240Erica, I'm not sure. She offhandedly said that, that she had offered to let you see the autopsy
01:32:39.820and you declined. And this, uh, this influencer went or influencer, this guy went and, uh, uh,
01:32:46.580reported that. And then she calls and says, what are you doing? I told you that off the record.
01:32:51.240You shouldn't have put that out. Oh, okay. Well, I'll delete it. Uh, in which case she lied to him
01:32:55.560is what you're telling me. She, she, in your opinion, she lied to him off the record and
01:32:59.960then asked him to delete it. The other alternative is even more bizarre that she did not say it at
01:33:05.140all. And he went and said that. And then someone called him was like, she didn't say that. Why are
01:33:10.020you reporting that? Take it down. It's weird. It's totally weird. It like didn't even kind of
01:33:14.100happen. That's why I was like, this is wacky. Like, I mean, I can just totally wacky. I always
01:33:19.000try to come up. I would never not look at that. I'm like the nosiest person in the world that I
01:33:22.680can comprehend. I was kind of irritated. You didn't. When I saw that initially, I was like,
01:33:25.840what are you talking about? She turned down the opportunity to look at it. Does everybody know
01:33:28.040who I am? Like, I'm like, look, I'm if you're going to invite me to read text messages doing
01:33:31.300like that. I'm 100% going to read. What she did offer me was a transcript of, and this was weird
01:33:36.820because I had never thought anything of it at that time. And that's what actually made me question
01:33:41.380Charlie handing over the company to her because she offered me sort of in a way like an excuse
01:33:46.840for something that I wasn't questioning on my show. And I said that to her. She was like, you
01:33:50.400know, we have a transcript of Charlie saying that he wanted me to take over the company.
01:33:55.980And she's the one who told me because remember the public at that point thought that that happened
01:35:37.640Yeah, they're pulling really nasty characters out of the woods to go.
01:35:41.380And I think that's an indication that good people, the types of good people that Charlie tended to surround himself with, are not willing to cooperate.
01:35:49.260They're running out of options from the good people. And now they're like digging through the gutter trash and saying, well, will you help us? You know, can can you come talk to us and carry water for us? Can we leak stuff out through you? Yeah. I find it very unusual. You know, if I offered for twenty five million dollars to go turn TPSA around and I'm still willing to do that, by the way, it's easy. It's easy. It's a three step process. I'll give it to you for free right here. Save you twenty five million bucks. Start being radically transparent.
01:36:17.280Be honest at every step of the way to the point where you embarrass yourself with transparency.
01:36:22.780Number two, you issue things only through official channels.
01:36:27.660You don't issue things through gutter trash.
01:36:29.740You don't issue things through failed podcasters.
01:36:31.480You don't issue things through podcasters no one's ever heard of trying to make builder credit and their name on your back.
01:36:37.160Just issue things through Andrew Colvett, your spokesperson, through Erica Kirk, your CEO, or through something with TPSA letterhead.
01:36:43.300And number three, you do it without attacking.
01:36:46.760And if you can do those three things, I do think it's possible that TPSA can ride through some of these issues. You won't have Drewski coming out. You won't have Saturday Night Live making fun of, you know, the guy's haircut, saying it's a TPSA representative haircut. I think you will begin to reform and rehab your image. It's not going to be immediate. It's not going to be overnight. But if you did that for me, as hard as I've been on TPSA, if they came out and were radically transparent, they started issuing things only through official channels and they stopped attacking people.
01:37:15.960even someone like me i'm gonna go maybe i've maybe i've got these people wrong maybe i've
01:37:21.760maybe i've seen this all wrong maybe i've maybe i need to rethink my analysis on all this
01:37:25.480but the way they're going um i'm i'm more convinced than i've ever been that i'm onto something
01:37:31.260that's exactly right and i think the thing that stands out to me the most is that the lack of
01:37:35.520humility from the organization even when they're caught like red-handed completely wrong you've
01:37:41.440gaslit the whole public about something they don't they never say sorry and that that's like
01:37:46.180signs of abuse and i i think of so many moments where they could have exercised public humility
01:37:51.260um or just been a leader in general even if they genuinely got it wrong by accident like
01:37:57.180if erica really had no idea that charlie had threats the night before and she gets on to
01:38:02.860glenn beck and she's like i have this phone and it didn't happen and then when she realizes that
01:38:08.140she's wrong if this genuinely was a mistake and she said and she admitted to my face okay yes
01:38:13.640there dan flatt whatever you publicly go out and you correct the record and that demonstrates that
01:38:18.520okay you're not a bad person you just really didn't know and there was a lot going on i would
01:38:22.140be like hey guys i do it on my show the whole time the whole time where i'm like we reported
01:38:26.080this yesterday i spoke to someone this is actually incorrect like why aren't they doing that they
01:38:31.240seem to get angry whenever they get caught in a lie and then they want to go abuse like me yeah
01:38:36.660Like they were like, go beat Candace because then this wouldn't have been a problem.
01:38:40.980Like you should have said so much throughout this process that you guys have been wrong
01:38:45.720with and your refusal to do it makes everyone feel like it's because you're trying to hide
01:41:22.400And you're partnering with these sorts of people.
01:41:24.800And we can go and we can look at, you know, the background story of Andrew Wilson and Rachel Wilson and how they speak to women while you're simultaneously pretending to be this faithful, heaven-focused, you know, never done anything wrong.
01:41:53.540And the other thing, too, when they have an issue with something you said, they don't just come and say, hey, she said this. Here's really what happened. It's she's evil. She's awful. She's biased. She's terrible. Anyone who watches her, you know, we're done with her. What? I mean, this is not a Christian response. This is not a godly organization any longer. This is not the way you behave in polite society. If you have an issue with something, if you think someone didn't have their finest moment, maybe they think you didn't have your finest moment. Well, just point it out.
01:42:21.760Just say, hey, Candace was off yesterday.
01:45:44.900If you woke up tomorrow and you're Erica Kirk,
01:45:47.260And you know you have to fix this. You need to take specific concrete steps in the next 30, 60, 90 days. What specific steps do you take to fix the PR problem that TPUSA clearly has? They can act like they don't. They do. It is bad. You do not spend the money they're spending to support this woman, to promote this woman, to support the organization, to promote the organization if you don't recognize you have a real problem. But what specific steps would you take?
01:46:14.960If I'm running that organization, the first thing I'm doing is I'm shutting down the Charlie Kirk show, shutting down the Charlie Kirk show. And I'm doing that because you have to stop the bleeding. And Blake Neff and Andrew Colbert are the it's the bleeding. Right. That's that. You got to pack 36 feet of 36 foot of gauze into that into that wound. Right. OK. That's right away. I'm getting rid of the show and they have to stop talking and you have to delete Blake's Twitter and his affiliation because he's he's very bad for the company.
01:47:06.900And with Andrew, it's, he's trying on different PR strategies.
01:47:11.440So first he sort of tried to play it nice.
01:47:13.700And then we met the real Andrew Colbert and it was like such a radical, you know, like, oh, God, that's who you actually are.
01:47:19.260And it was like, you know, now he's being I don't know if Andrew Wilson took over his Twitter feed for a week, but he was getting like down in the dirt and being all crazy.
01:47:26.340And you can't have you can't restore those sorts of images.
01:47:30.380Like it's like this is just not worth you get rid of them, you know.
01:47:32.840And by the way, if you want to say, OK, he went through a tough time and that's why he did that.
01:47:37.540Maybe you keep Andrew Colbert in a back office job, but you get rid of Blake Neff.
01:47:40.820You get Andrew out of public facing no matter what.
01:47:43.680Yes, you get him out of public facing, and you get him off of the show.
01:47:47.340Because really, he has proven in the beginning that he could, I guess, kind of be likable.
01:47:53.200Blake Neff has kind of been unlikable from the very beginning, and he's serving you no purpose.
01:47:57.500He seems, even in little things, like when he turns on Tucker Carlson, who helps him get the job, he feels like the Judas at the table.
01:48:04.740Like, you just go, something's not right about Blake Neff, and he's getting pettier and pettier, and you just got to get rid of Blake Neff.
01:49:25.160Because he's so boring that she can now tone it down.
01:49:28.100Yeah, but you can't go with someone who the public accepts as like, not like he's got he's got some questionable background. Like she's got to do something a bit more like that people perceive as adversarial. And that's what I mean is like me, I'm going to go extreme. So it's like Andrew Wilson's throwing down 300k in the gauntlet. He's saying that I'm they're all saying I'm afraid to debate. I'm like, let's do it. Let's just do it. You know, I'm not afraid of you. I know the facts are on my side. And occasionally you have to do that. Erica's not going to start there. Right.
01:53:33.760I mean, that's that's that's all it's done. It's kind of coalesced around there. They've got they got all their guns pointing out of a wagon circle.
01:53:39.720And she's she Erica has basically come out and been like, I'm a part of the billionaire class. I don't have to do anything. I can call a crisis PR person. I can call cash. I can have the DOD attack you during Tyler Robinson's week. That's what she did.
01:53:51.300yeah okay let's just call it a spade a spade the dod was attacking me during tyler robinson's1.00
01:53:57.940preliminary hearing my show was not even on air think about that with the jennica pounds thing
01:54:01.440exposed yeah do you think she directs that or do you think she's just a beneficiary of that0.99
01:54:08.640she is a beneficiary of it because i don't think she's the brains of the operation um but the
01:54:15.160operation doesn't really have any brains i will say that as well because it's falling apart and
01:54:19.920And I think it has never been so fragile of us seeing how this all really works.
01:54:25.920Like, we know these people are working for the DOD.
01:54:29.040And then you ask yourself the big question, why would the DOD, you're going into Tyler Robinson week, you say it's open and shut, it's overwhelming evidence.
01:55:16.360I mean, you know, it may not lead back to TPUSA's door.
01:55:20.300It may not lead back to the government's door.
01:55:22.200It may not lead back to Utah government's door, the federal government's door.
01:55:25.540We don't know where the investigation is going to go.
01:55:28.180But if you are 100 percent convinced Tyler Robinson did this and you think it's an open
01:55:34.460and shut case, why are you attacking anyone?
01:55:37.320Sit back, you know, swipe your hand and say that's the ultimate attack.1.00
01:55:41.060You guys are going to look so stupid.1.00
01:55:42.920We're going to let you look even stupider.1.00
01:55:44.940We're going to let you get all lathered up before you look stupid.1.00
01:55:47.500Why would you attack people and try to slow them down?1.00
01:55:49.780Why are you freaking out about Fort Huachuca?
01:55:51.800Why are you freaking out about Penguin?
01:55:53.320It's like we're going to sit back and then you're going to see in the trial that everything this person said was wrong and they're going to discredit themselves by going all in on this.
01:56:13.880That's weird. He wants to conduct a foreign investigation. Now you all hate him. Right. That's very weird. Yeah. And so, yeah, it's there.
01:56:21.800Accuse him of treason. Yes. They're behaving the exact opposite way that we would expect them to behave. And I agree with you. I do want to also search people as I go off air. And it's one of the things I talked to you about. I'm so grateful that I read that book, Chaos.
01:58:28.360And it shows you how the government did that following the JFK assassination.0.75
01:58:32.280It talks about how they infiltrated the Black Panthers, how they were able to literally just make people all look at each other and go, I don't know who to trust.
01:58:37.640And so when you start feeling that coming on and you realize that there are these random people that are flip flopping and they're pointing and you're going, wait a second.0.60
01:58:43.400Are you actually even contributing to this investigation?
02:12:32.780I mean, if everything breaks your way and goes right and everybody transfers discovery from one side to the other, it probably could be done in 28.
02:12:41.120If they, you know, get cute and try to hide the ball, it's going to take longer.
02:12:46.640It says the Utah County Attorney's Office is anticipating that it will be a 17-week trial.
02:12:52.640And, yeah, the prosecutors want to go a year from now, and the defense is saying, no, we need more time.
02:12:57.600And I actually, once I see how much they dumped on them, which is the everything strategy, they probably do need more time.
02:13:04.920Selfishly, I want it to happen sooner.