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Candice and her husband, Charlie Kirk, were shot and killed in their own home in the early morning hours of September 10th, 1983. But who were the heroes in this whole thing? And how did they do it?
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All right, you guys, let's jump right back into it. Back into the investigation because I have
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some incredibly interesting updates for you. Actually, some explosive revelations regarding
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the Charlie Kirk case. Now buckle up because there's this country that's only the size of New
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Jersey. It's always the victim. It turns out that they had some people on the ground that day.
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And I just want to be clear here, no matter what I say throughout this episode, please remember that
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they are always the victim. Historically, they have always been the victim and they have done nothing
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wrong. Didn't do nothing wrong on 9-10 either. In other news, the McCoys, let's jump back into their
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story because I've learned some crazy interesting data points to add to our timeline. You know,
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I love me a timeline. So let's jump back in. Welcome back to Candice.
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Candice. Do you know that moment when your subconscious kind of meets your conscious? Like
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you just suddenly, your subconscious is storing all this information and it's maybe flagging something
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for you. That's a little weird, but you haven't come to realize it yet. And then all of a sudden
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the information breaks the surface and you're like, aha, I got it. I didn't even realize that
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that thing that happened a long time ago was a little bit weird. And suddenly you're behaving like
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Dory, the bluefish from the movie Finding Nemo when she remembers the P. Sherman address from
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Australia. You guys know that moment. Take a watch.
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So, Chyenne, Sydney. P. Sherman 42, all of the way, Sydney.
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Crime solved. Okay, that is how it works. Never ignore your subconscious. That's why I say pay attention
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to my dreams. I don't care who has to laugh at me about it. And there was this little something
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that flagged in the back of my mind as odd in the aftermath of Charlie's assassination. One of
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these things that might seem small, but it's always the small details that help to paint
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the broader and bigger picture, right? Elle Woods in the movie Legally Blonde, she was absolutely
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correct when she said that people who work out have endorphins and happy people don't kill their
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husbands. Anyway, the thing that I realized is that Mikey McCoy, the chief of staff of Turning
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Point USA, Mikey McCoy, for whatever reason, he always requires an adjective. Whenever they
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discuss Mikey McCoy, there's an adjective before they say his name. A bunch of people in the
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Turning Point USA orbit described Mikey McCoy in this very unique manner. I want you to take
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Let me tell you who the heroes were in this whole thing. We're going to start with 23-year-old
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Mikey McCoy. And that's when the great Mikey McCoy showed up.
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And my husband's chief of staff, the amazing Mikey McCoy.
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My friend Mikey McCoy, the brilliant 24-year-old who at the time when Charlie was shot was 23
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I used to be known as Charlie Kirk's pastor. Now I'm known as Mikey McCoy's dad.
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He clicked into gear eventually. It was amazing.
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Amazing. Heroic. He was brilliant. It stood out to me really because it's only Mikey that
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they moved to do it for. And objectively speaking, okay, I don't care what your experience in life
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is. I would not move to insist that someone was quote unquote heroic for walking away from
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their friend after he was shot. Okay. I just wouldn't, that wouldn't be the adjective that came
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to my mind. Heroic. I also don't feel the need ever to qualify any of my friends with an adjective.
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Think about how strange it would be if on this show, every time I cover Tucker Carlson, I was like,
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the spectacular Tucker Carlson. The breathtaking Tucker Carlson is under attack in this moment.
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You'd be like, why are you doing that? Why do I feel like you're trying to program me?
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This only made me more interested in Mikey and the McCoy story. And I want to be super clear here.
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No innuendo. I don't think that, I know that Mikey McCoy did not kill Charlie Kirk. We watch him
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in those moments, but it's also becoming pretty apparent to me that the stage was being set for
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Mikey to become the new Charlie. In fact, on stage at the memorial event for Charlie and elsewhere,
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they were trying to prime the public for that plausibility. Almost like it was this psychological
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operation, nod to Rob McCoy and his family lineage, to see Mikey as capable of filling Charlie's shoes.
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Let me tell you something about Mikey. Mikey's been with Charlie for several years. He's 23 years old.
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He is wise beyond his years. And when that tragedy struck, Mikey was an absolute hero who kept
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everybody calm and did some of the most mundane things you would think you would need to do on the worst
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day of his life. And he continues to be a rock. He's been following Jesus for a long time. I'm hoping that
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Mikey one day will follow in Charlie's footsteps right to the college campus because he has the ability,
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the demeanor, the grace, the knowledge to do so. Set an example for the believers
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in speech and conduct and love, in faith and in purity. Our speaker today, Mikey McCoy, has done that.
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His path was pretty much like Charlie Kirk's path.
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Pretty much like Charlie Kirk's path. And he's got the grace and the wits and everything. It's
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amazing. OK, and if you're wondering why we also included Erica saying the amazing Mikey McCoy in
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her first speech, it's because Rob McCoy oddly refers back to Erica's speech when he is asked
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specifically what he believes Mikey's future is going to be at Turning Point USA. OK, he's going to
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start. You're going to see he's going to answer a question. The show is Faith, the Faith Forward
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show. And he starts to answer the question, but then he sort of cuts himself off and he trails
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into a different topic, almost as if he catches himself. Take a listen.
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And then Mikey specifically, like how he's going to kind of fit into that picture, because when I'm
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seeing him speak, man, I'm like, dude, this Mikey is going to have a humongous role within this
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organization. So Charlie was an avid journaler, journaler, very avid. And when Erica started opening
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up his journals after he was killed, she started reading. Charlie had a plan all the way through
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2028. Wow. Written out. Written out. I mean, there's an order of succession. And so when she
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comes out and she says the amazing, I think she said the amazing Mikey McCoy. Mikey McCoy, yeah.
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Um, they, and this is one of the things I, I would share with Mikey. I'd share with Charlie and I learned
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it from Steve Smotherman and Pastor Steve Smotherman said it to Charlie. In a, where, where you're a public
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figure, you have very little private privacy. That was weird, right? That's a weird way to try to
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answer that question. What's he doing there? Is he trying to make us believe, but not explicitly
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state, but kind of explicitly state, or maybe implicitly state that Charlie's future, or rather
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Mikey McCoy's future was written by Charlie in one of these journals? That's what I was picking up.
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That's what I feel like he was throwing down. Let me know if I'm crazy, but that was a weird way to
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answer. And he's like, so when Erica comes out and she says the amazing Mikey McCoy, he talks about
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the journals. What's going on here? Now I'm going to give you some data points to back this up. Now
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I maintain that the wonderful Mikey McCoy doesn't strike me as intrinsically evil. Something Charlie
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used to always say to me is the eyes are the window to the soul. I don't see this intrinsic evil when I
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look at Mikey McCoy's eyes, but however, I do think he was hyped. Okay. I think Mikey was promised or
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told or encouraged that he would become the new Charlie. And it is a fact that that was the
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number one sentiment that we received from our Turning Point USA insiders following Charlie's
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assassination. That the, you know, supercalifragilistic, ispialidocious Mikey McCoy
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appeared to have like an extra spring in his step that made them all a little bit uncomfortable
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in the aftermath. And that he seemed all too happy to assume Charlie's position. Look,
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he's already speaking at Liberty University. Why? Because he made some phone calls that that's,
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have we lowered the standards for what makes somebody a hero in 2025? I don't know. And I
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will say that beyond the sentiment that was expressed to us from these Turning Point USA
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insiders, there are some interesting facts. Fact number one, for whatever reason, in the month,
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and I'm going to make sure that I address my timeline here, in the month leading up to Charlie's
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death, Mikey McCoy was interested in capturing some behind the scenes footage, more intimate moments
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of Charlie's life. And I'm going to give you two examples of that. Okay. Example number one,
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Charlie's very last overseas trip to Korea. This was four days before he died. For whatever reason,
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Mikey McCoy felt suddenly inspired to try his luck, miking up Charlie and capturing him on the road.
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And he says, this is the first time he ever did it. Take a listen to Mikey McCoy explain that.
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Today is really fun because Mikey and Blake are going to talk about their last trip with Charlie to
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Asia. And Mikey, you are now in the driver's seat. The floor is yours.
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Yeah. It's crazy to think that was just three, four days before Utah.
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Crazy. And it was Charlie's dream to always go to Asia. And Blake and I got the gift of being able
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to tag along for that. And so I brought the camera with me. I've never traveled with the camera before,
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but I decided, you know, it'd be a good idea to mic Charlie up, do some content with him while we're
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Okay. That is remarkable. Obviously, for the first time, he decided to mic. It's not something that
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somebody does as a chief of staff. It's not something that somebody does in that role.
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Okay. I've traveled with Charlie everywhere. Very strange. The person that mics is always the AV
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person. And I would assume there were some AV people that were on hand given the trip. But
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anyways, that's not it. Okay. That's just one point that we have. And don't worry, because I'm going to
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show you after I plotted all this into our timeline. Just a few weeks before Charlie died, Mikey McCoy
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and his wife, Eliza, for the very first time. Now, this is according to Eliza McCoy. She shared that
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it was the first time ever that they went on vacation. Her and Mikey went on vacation with Erica
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and Charlie. Here's that post on Instagram. That second paragraph begins, we spent a few weeks together
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this summer. Our first family trip together. Okay. Getting real close there. And while they
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were on this very first time together for a couple of weeks vacation, something moved the McCoys to
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capture intimate and sweet moments of the Kirk family from behind the scenes. Now, you know which
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footage I'm talking about. It's the footage that has since gone viral of Charlie walking with his
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children and Erica. Erica grabs his hand. It's actually a very sweet moment. And it moved a lot of us.
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People were, I know I was crying when I first saw this footage a couple of days
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after Charlie died. Well, let me tell you guys something. Fortunately, the McCoys were the ones
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that captured that footage. See, my thing is I need to know what moved them to do that.
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Are they really just that extraordinary? Is it the extraordinarily lucky Mikey McCoy? Because
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I was thinking about it because I have a big family and people with families know. And you can go
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through Charlie's Instagram, as I have done. There's always one person missing from intimate
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family moments when they're on the fly. They're not planned, right? There tends to be one family
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member missing because one person grabs the camera and you're capturing the kids with dad or you're
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capturing the kids with mom or it's just the kids, whatever it is. That's how family footage,
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when it's organic, tends to look right. And of course, on holidays, you get together, you stand up,
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you capture a picture. That is the pattern. If you go through Erica, Charlie's Instagram,
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Charlie's missing or Erica's missing. And that's because they're filming each other. But thankfully,
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the McCoys were on hand in what looks like mid-July or early August. Into early August,
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according to my sources, we will nail down these specific dates in the future. We are working on it,
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okay? Strikes me as odd that Mikey is just picking up the camera and capturing these moments. I don't know.
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I don't know. For the first time ever, I don't like it. I don't like it at all. And if I'm in
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Erica's position, I'm starting to look at him funny like, what's going on here, okay? Now let's
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bring in Daddy McCoy. Wouldn't say he strikes me as something else entirely. And he similarly had
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some rather impeccable timing. Rob McCoy, as you very well know, was the senior pastor of the God
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Speak Calvary Chapel in Thousand Oaks, California. You should also know, by the way, let me introduce
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this to you right now because I didn't know that he was funded. His church was funded by the Wilkes
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Brothers down in Texas. The Wilkes Brothers are the ones that fund Daily Wire, were the initial
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seed money behind the Daily Wire, not the initial seed money behind PragerU, but they majorly fund
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Prager University as well. So that's an interesting web that's being woven before our eyes, right?
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You've got PragerU, and now you've got this church, and they are a part of what is described
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online as a cult. It's like Christians for Jews. You look into it yourself. I honestly can't explain
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it, but that's just something that you should know in the background. Anyway, for whatever reason,
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after 17 years as the head pastor of that church, Rob McCoy, it was publicly announced in January of
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this year that he would be stepping down as the head pastor and instead assuming the role of pastor
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emeritus. Now, for the uninitiated, emeritus is basically just an honorific title, right, bestowed upon
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someone after they retire from some distinguished position. For Rob McCoy, they had planned that
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transition. That transition took effect in mid-July of this year, okay? Mid-July of this year is when
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he officially steps down from the church. A lot going on here in McCoy land. Now, in case you're
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thinking, well, that doesn't mean that he was doing all of that and transitioning because he was
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anticipating some bigger role at Turning Point USA and maybe therefore planning to wind down his life
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in California. No, actually, that's exactly the reason that was cited when it was reported on in
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January. In the Ventura County Star, they wrote, quote, he's approaching a transition in July. He'll
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step down as the senior pastor of Godspeak and hand the reins to his son-in-law, Micah Stevens,
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the church's administrative and worship pastor. McCoy will become the emeritus pastor and will still
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preach regularly at the church in a role that could last into the mid-70s. And then it goes on to say
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when McCoy's responsibilities grew at Turning Point USA, he and his wife sold their home in
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Thousand Oaks and bought a home in the Phoenix area. Now, he said that he bought a different place in
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Thousand Oaks. He also owns a home in Coronado near San Diego. Now, what we can confirm to you
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is that Rob actually put that secondary home in Coronado up for sale on August 24th, 2025 of this year.
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He's listed his home up for sale. So suffice it to say that the fantastic, heroic, sensational
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McCoy's were pretty busy this summer, and I don't like it at all. I just don't like it.
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The vibes for me are not good. Now, we can take a look at our timeline here with these new moves
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added into it. We're going to start looking at July 11th because that's when I think things reached
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some sort of a pinnacle. That's the infamous speech that Tucker Carlson gave where he calls out
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Bill Ackman. He starts talking about Israel, all this stuff, and things start moving, okay?
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Now, you can see that's July 11th, and he says that people who serve in foreign armies should be
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stripped of their citizenship. He muses about where Bill Ackman's wealth comes from. July 18th
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is our next date on our timeline. And this came from, this is a great find from Sam Parker.
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That is when Turning Point USA receives a request from UVU for Charlie to hold an event at Utah Valley.
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Not only do they instantly accept this request, but they also make it his first stop,
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which is incredible. We can listen to a news anchor, I think this is from Fox News,
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Salt Lake City. Describe exactly when that request went out, as we're telling you on July 18th.
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Utah Valley University has provided the document that created the rally at which conservative
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activist Charlie Kirk was shot to death, but it is not providing the security plan for that day.
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I'm Fox 13 investigative reporter Nate Carlisle. We've been asking UVU for records related to the
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September 10th Kirk rally. After about six weeks, this is the first record provided. It's the application
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submitted mid-July by the UVU chapter of Kirk's Turning Point USA. The applicants answer standard
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questions about time, place, and a description of the event. However, we noticed there is one question
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not asked on the form whether organizers need any police protection. That's a standard inquiry at,
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for example, University of Utah events. Speaking of police, UVU has denied Fox 13 News' request for a
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copy of the Kirk rally security plan. The university is citing the provision in state records laws,
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keeping confidential, quote, security measures, end quote. The campus also has expressed concern that
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the records could interfere in any investigation and someone's right to a fair trial. Tyler Robinson
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is charged with Kirk's murder. Fox 13 plans an appeal of the denial, and we are still pursuing
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a variety of records related to the Kirk shooting. Well, Fox 13 News, if I can be of any assistance,
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you just reach out to me because I've done a lot of these events and everything happening here is
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unusual, okay, for them to honor a request. I mean, they get every university across all 50 states
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trying to get Charlie and I to speak, okay? A request going in that late, being honored and
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becoming stop number one within a couple of weeks, I'm going to say that's never happened. I'm going
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to dig through my inbox, okay? I'm going to dig through my inbox. I'm going to see what the normal
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security protocols are because as everybody has noticed, there was no ambulance on standby.
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And that's against Utah law. And so it's interesting that they don't want to release
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the security plan because I'm pretty sure this was an extraordinary first-time thing where they
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didn't have a security plan. And I had received a tip, and I do want to check this out, by the way,
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that they also had initially slated for this event to be inside, but it was moved. Again,
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I have to look into that. I'm not confirming that. But if that's true as well, things are about to get
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very interesting. And guess what, guys? There's more. And this part is crazy. I guess it's not
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really crazy. I think I saw like Milo Yiannopoulos tweeted, I think now I think Israel did it. And
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that's because he was tweeting about the bizarre lie of them saying Erica Kirk was accepting this award
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and they completely fictionalized it. They've just been lying nonstop quickly, right? Right out the
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gate, Bibi Netanyahu doing propaganda rounds, denying that he had anything to do with the
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assassination of Charlie Kirk. Perfectly normal thing to do, right? Perfectly normal. For some
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reason, I didn't feel compelled to do that. I didn't feel like I had to get on camera and make a
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statement that I didn't kill Charlie Kirk. But Bibi Netanyahu felt that he needed to do that.
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And all of his sickle fans in America echoed that statement. And nobody had accused them.
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A thief runneth when no one pursueth, right? Well, here's some explosive news for you that I can now,
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beyond a shadow of a doubt, confirm. Putting my name on this. Not only can I
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confirm this, but I can publicly challenge the very Zionist occupied Trump administration who is aware
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of this to deny it, to come out and say, no, that's not true. Okay. And if Kash Patel is done crying
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about the mean tweets on the internet regarding his sensational singing girlfriend, he can also
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certainly make the time of day to deny what I am saying if it is untrue, right? Because this is
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pretty relevant. Now, I should say that some people had actually reported this earlier. Like Mel,
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I've been telling you to follow her, Village Crazy Lady over on X. She was actually very early with
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this reporting and I had heard rumors and rumblings, but I wanted to make sure that I had verifiable
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proof, enough proof that I would go out on a limb as I'm doing right now and asserting that it is
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authentic and it is real. Ladies and gentlemen, there were, for whatever reason, 12 Israeli cell phones
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on the ground at Utah Valley University the day that Charlie Kirk was assassinated. This has completely
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spooked the people that are very high up in government. Now, to be clear, I don't mean that
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there were 12 VPNs that were switched and routed through Israel on that day. I mean that there were
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12 personal cell phone accounts that were opened in Israel, okay? Like you go into Verizon in Tennessee
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or in Connecticut and you open your phone. I am saying that they opened their phones in Israel,
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those accounts in Israel, and they were on the ground on September 10th at Utah Valley University
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when Charlie was shot. Now, the NSA knows this. Kash Patel knows this. People in the current
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administration know this, and they are desperate for some reason to stop that information from being
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released to the public. Why? Because they're the most transparent administration ever? Is that why?
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Is this like Jeffrey Epstein transparency that we're getting? Because that's what it feels like.
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It always seems that on the topic of this one nation that's only the size of New Jersey and has done
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nothing wrong ever and was truly the greatest friend to Charlie right up until the very end, never put any
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pressure on him. Suddenly, everybody abandons their values. True friends of Charlie Kirk, right?
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Standing on that stage, giving him a speech, hiding this. Now, what would be the reason that they wanted
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to keep that information under wraps, and why does it have people at the very top spooked? If there's
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nothing to hide, then there's nothing to hide, okay? If there's nothing to hide, then there's nothing to
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hide. Now, let's play devil's advocate, and to be clear, we are now advocating for the devil when we
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do this. Maybe the cell phones belonged to some exchange students. It's possible. Maybe 12 Israelis
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were touring UVU on that day because, I don't know, Utah Valley University is a place where they maybe
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wanted to attend in the future. Maybe 12 American students had Israeli-based cell phones because they had
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just come back from a summer abroad program, and they wanted to keep their Israeli cell phones running
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when they got back home to Utah. I don't know, but I'd like to know. In fact, we need to know the answer to
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this question. Why are they hiding misinformation, and why and who did those 12 Israeli cell phones
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belong to, okay? I don't like secrets. I don't like secrets, especially when they pertain to the public
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execution of my friend Charlie Kirk. We'll take a break, and we'll come right back. All right, you guys,
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jumping in here to tell you about pre-born, rather to remind you about pre-born because you guys know that
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lately I have been feeling that we all must be courageous. We have to stop playing defense. We
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shouldn't be watering down the truth to what people find palatable because, of course, silence is not
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kindness. It's actually consent, and right now the greatest silence surrounds the topic of those whose
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runaround from the Trump administration, the runaround from his friends, the people that want
00:27:44.240
to just stop asking questions and move on. What does this feel like to you? What does this feel
00:27:49.380
like to you? Sometimes I wish I was born yesterday, right? It would be so easy to just accept him,
00:27:54.320
like, oh, yeah, I totally, there just was a lone shooter who, you know, had never really been
00:28:01.260
hunted, but he got really lucky, and he just fired the shot, and he got, he'd never been to the campus,
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but he somehow knew how to scale all the buildings, running around like Spider-Man. I wish I was born
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yesterday so I could just accept that. I do. Unfortunately, I wasn't born yesterday. I was
00:28:15.760
actually born 36 years ago, and everyone is full of it. I am looking at a situation where Charlie was
00:28:24.300
betrayed and is actively being betrayed every day by the very people that he helped to elect,
00:28:28.860
the people that are in office. They are betraying him by trying to feed us this nonsense, okay?
00:28:35.300
They are feeding us, they're selling us crap and trying to tell us it's food, right? Like,
00:28:40.100
this is nourishing or something. I just won't tolerate it, okay? And it is, I think, one of the
00:28:47.220
craziest things happening right now that these people are now telling us to shift gears and that
00:28:55.360
it's our duty, right? It's our duty to make sure more of them get elected. Now, there are a lot of
00:29:02.040
people running around right now. There are races, important races, they tell us, going on in the
00:29:06.600
country, consequential races that are happening, and people online are being somewhat accusatory,
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upset that Republicans are infighting, if that's what you're calling this. I'm not fighting with
00:29:17.420
you, okay? I'm going to see this thing all the way through. And that we're instead focused on using
00:29:21.660
our platforms to fight one another rather than to encourage people to go vote so that Republicans
00:29:28.240
can stay in power across various cities. You know, as just one example, of course, people
00:29:34.140
really cannot stop speaking about the Momdani versus the Cuomo mayoral race in New York. Now,
00:29:40.860
Cuomo's already one of the most corrupt families in New York. And now they're like, no, switch gears
00:29:47.280
because Momdani is going to be worse. And it's your job as a good little Republican, okay, to go out
00:29:53.000
there and to make sure that Momdani doesn't win. And to those very many people, I would like to say,
00:29:59.420
no, I'm good, actually. I'm just not interested. I'm interested in nothing until you start telling
00:30:07.420
the truth about what happened in Charlie Kirk. Until you acknowledge that a 30-06 did not go
00:30:12.640
through his neck, did not get stopped, rather, by his neck. Until you acknowledge that that story
00:30:18.540
that you tried to tell us is complete BS, something that could take down a moose, somehow did not take
00:30:23.280
down Charlie Kirk. Are you kidding me? Are you absolutely kidding me? I'm not interested in
00:30:28.920
your races around the country. I'm not voting until this is resolved, okay? This is toxic. You
00:30:35.740
are toxic. And it is unbelievably abusive to suggest that I have to now reinvest and work for the exact
00:30:43.700
same party that told me that if I voted for them and got the word out for them and I did do all those
00:30:49.820
things, that things would be different. Corruption is going to stop. We're going to be the most
00:30:54.020
transparent thing in administration that you've ever seen. Except on those Epstein files. Yeah, I know
00:31:00.120
he was, like, abusing children. But what Epstein files were we even talking about? No. No, thank you. No.
00:31:10.460
Nope. Goodbye. Not doing it anymore. You're left versus right. Don't care anymore. There is power
00:31:18.020
and there is the rest of us. There is power and there is the rest of us. And you are not going to
00:31:24.880
convince me that any of this stuff is consequential after I just watched Charlie Kirk catch a bullet in
00:31:29.460
his throat and watching all of you lie about it, okay? There's actually this vintage clip from TRL,
00:31:36.420
remember Total Request Live with Carson Daly, that perfectly embodies me and how I am feeling in
00:31:44.320
this moment. So let's watch that vintage clip together. Hi, my name is Miinda and I live in
00:31:51.500
Florida. Being a young Black female and also a teen mother, what do you guys do to get back,
00:32:00.600
give back to the community? Also directed mostly towards ODB. I know Praz and the Fugees do things
00:32:07.780
for the community, but what do you, what is going to be your thing for the community? Nothing.
00:32:23.960
Don't get me wrong now. Don't get me wrong. I send you love.
00:32:29.960
To the Republicans, I send you love, okay? Don't get me wrong. I send you love. But what I will be
00:32:35.820
doing for the broader community until you start telling the truth is nothing. Nothing. So don't
00:32:41.940
even, don't at me. I just don't care at all. Not even a little bit. Anyway, two of the like three
00:32:49.580
people that I still like that are within the realm of politics got together. Tucker Carlson joined Dave
00:32:55.240
Smith. I kind of want to qualify Tucker Carlson. I feel like I want to say the stupendous Tucker
00:33:00.720
Carlson joined Dave Smith on his show to respond to all of this Zionist backlash that he was receiving
00:33:08.260
for having a conversation with Nick Fuentes. And foremost, Tucker explains why he had the
00:33:13.920
conversation with Nick Fuentes. Take a listen. I didn't make Nick Fuentes, hardly. I just want to
00:33:19.380
know what this is about. And I wanted to make the point that I often make and now seems even more
00:33:25.560
important than it ever has, which is that virtue and sin are not transmitted genetically. There is
00:33:34.500
no such thing as blood guilt. Therefore, collective punishment is always immoral. God created each
00:33:40.500
person individually. He did not create communities at once. He created people. And all of us will die
00:33:45.640
and in the end face God alone. So it's about the person. And people can be changed by God, by the way.
00:33:51.820
And the New Testament is that story of people who were, in the case of the whole hero of the New
00:33:56.260
Testament, the human hero was a guy called Paul, who was murdering Christians as a Pharisee and then
00:34:01.900
becomes the greatest proselytizer in the history of Christianity and my personal hero. So like,
00:34:05.880
don't tell me that people can't be changed because of their blood. Now, that is the basis. That position
00:34:13.000
is the basis of Western civilization. We often talk about Western civilization and we're all defending
00:34:17.260
Western civilization. Israel's defending Western civilization. Israel does not have a Western
00:34:21.060
position on this question. The Israeli position, not of all Israelis, by the way, and certainly not
00:34:27.020
of all Jews, but I'm saying of the Israeli government and of a couple of its ministers,
00:34:30.920
which they say this out loud all the time, is that everybody who's related to a terrorist shares in
00:34:36.160
his guilt. That's collective punishment. It is blood guilt and it's antithetical to Christianity
00:34:40.620
and to the West. And so for me, and by the way, Israel's not the only country that does this.
00:34:45.500
Most countries do this. Literally most countries do this. All of Asia, India. This is like an intuitive,
00:34:51.220
response that people have. Okay. So that I actually introduced that wrong. That's Tucker,
00:34:56.100
just giving the broader theological, delivering the broader theological point, which is important
00:34:59.800
that people have the capacity to change. And actually we're kind of in this weird psychosis
00:35:06.320
as a society. And I would say that this is kind of one of the things they're trying to deliver to us
00:35:10.240
is that some people are just deplorable. Like everything about them is just so deplorable and we have to
00:35:15.640
throw them away. And that's what creates these sort of movements where people are just tired of it.
00:35:19.420
They're just tired of this. This is not the way that Christians think actually. We very much don't
00:35:24.020
live in a Christian society because we live in a Christian Zionist society and Christian Zionism
00:35:28.940
is a, it's a paradox. Okay. It's, there's no such thing as Christian Zionism because Zionism is all
00:35:35.320
about identity, right? It's all about identity because I am a Jew. I therefore have a right to this land
00:35:42.660
because they are Jews. And I am a Christian. I recognize that I'm going to get into heaven
00:35:46.320
if I just worship how Bibi Netanyahu, even when he kills tens of thousands of kids,
00:35:51.460
that is a political ideology. It is not a religion and it is dangerous and it's wrong. And it is,
00:35:57.500
it is backwards. And it is of course antithetical to the Bible. Now, Tucker then explains specifically
00:36:03.480
why he chose to have a conversation with Nick Fuentes. Take a listen.
00:36:08.420
You should be forgiving always. Things are being said right now that almost seem like they can't
00:36:14.160
be forgiven. They're so, they're, they're exhortations to violence. Clearly they are,
00:36:18.120
et cetera, et cetera. Slander of a kind that's so severe. Like, how do you get past that?
00:36:23.500
I think we should force ourselves. I interviewed Nick Fuentes to attack my wife and my son and my dad,
00:36:29.320
can't attack my dad. And I interviewed him anyway. I choked it back and I thought to myself,
00:36:33.120
I'm just, I want to hear this and I'm just going to make, we, I try to make myself do that.
00:36:38.140
So if tomorrow John Puthart is like, or whomever I'm mad at, right? People I used to know are calling
00:36:44.120
me a Nazi is like, you know what? I don't, I don't think he's actually a Nazi. Like let's have a real
00:36:47.420
conversation. Let's do the best for America. They should all be accepted. I don't think we should
00:36:52.800
have permanent enemies who are American citizens. I don't. Cause I think the whole idea of it is we're
00:36:58.860
united by citizenship, our common Americanness. Everybody's welcome. Even if we hated each
00:37:03.820
other 20 minutes ago and Glenn Greenwald, I mean, I hated Glenn Greenwald. Now I think he was one of
00:37:07.920
my favorite people in the world, not just personally, but personally like forgiveness
00:37:11.780
is essential. People change, allow for that. Don't draw permanent lines in the sand where it's like,
00:37:19.600
I hate you and I will hate your son too. Like that's non-Western thinking. We don't allow that.
00:37:25.160
I wanted to really consider, you listen to Tucker's perspectives and what's guiding his
00:37:30.820
perspectives and then go backwards and listen to like Mark Levin and these people that get on
00:37:36.360
their platforms and call him irredeemable. And you realize there's a different spirit moving within
00:37:40.680
these groups, right? And he is what Christianity is, right? It's about forgiveness. It's about when
00:37:47.540
you're angry, not assuming that there's some like blood oath that you need to honor, but saying,
00:37:53.520
you know what? Nick Fuentes has something crappy things about me and I'm going to speak to him.
00:37:57.100
I did the same thing. I was like the bigger person, hosted him. And he was, by the way,
00:38:00.780
still a jerk. But this idea that he shouldn't have a platform, he shouldn't be allowed to speak,
00:38:05.280
he shouldn't be allowed to think, he shouldn't be allowed to breathe. What is that from? What is
00:38:09.360
your faith? Don't, you're definitely not going to convince me that that's the first five books of
00:38:14.100
the Bible. Okay. I know what your faith is. It's Zionism. Okay. You guys behave like gangsters.
00:38:19.660
You behave like you are only loyal to one another and you'll come beat up any person figuratively.
00:38:26.340
You'll take care of any person that gets in your way. And the world can see that now.
00:38:30.820
So what's your next move to just keep doing this, to just keep behaving like this. And just know that
00:38:35.780
every act that you make, every show, everything that you make go viral with you speaking in the
00:38:40.860
way that you speak. And then people get to hear Tucker. He gets bigger and you get smaller. Okay.
00:38:45.660
He gets bigger. Our ideas get bigger. Your ideas get smaller because people can perceive the
00:38:51.580
nastiness that's guiding it and they want nothing to do with it. Okay. Now I'm going to take a brief
00:38:56.960
break because I know that you guys have a lot of comments and we also have book club tonight and
00:39:00.300
we're going to get deeper by the way, into that sort of guiding theology when we get back into the
00:39:06.780
Sigmund Freud book, because it really, really connects dots for you, right? What that guiding
00:39:12.280
philosophy comes from is actually a psychology. It is a psychology and he's the father of it,
00:39:16.900
as they call him, the father of modern psychology. And so really stepping back into time and understanding
00:39:23.000
what was happening at the turn of the 19th century across Europe, why so many speech laws have been
00:39:28.220
passed in Europe, uh, kind of Christians in the way that we're doing right now, waking up and going,
00:39:33.580
what is the guiding philosophy of these people that seem like they hate us? Like they're trying to,
00:39:38.960
to abuse, like what, what have we done wrong to be treated like this? This book is really an aha
00:39:45.100
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Laughing Cats Music World writes, I keep thinking about George Zinn. I know he was a habitual Salt
00:43:42.820
Lake City event disruptor, but what are the chances his reflex is to take the blame voluntarily?
00:43:48.080
Voluntarily, I guess it's possible, but wow, crazy split decision to make, right? Not even a
00:43:51.680
hesitation. I told you guys that we had a source leaked to us. He went to the hospital. He went to
00:43:56.660
Utah Valley Hospital after this event to treat some of his like mild injuries from being dragged. And he
00:44:03.140
told people that he was told to do it and he was paid to do it, but he didn't know where the payment
00:44:08.620
was coming from. So yeah, this entire thing was just an operation. Like I said, Brandon Hanson
00:44:14.440
writes, been a lifelong Israel supporter. Recently, I've come to not like Bibi, but I still love the
00:44:19.380
land where the Lord was born. A Zionist who dislikes Netanyahu. Curious how you feel about that.
00:44:24.080
Love from Maine. It at least makes me happy to hear you acknowledge that there's a demon.
00:44:30.420
I don't, it's the strangest thing to me when these people are treating Bibi Netanyahu like he is
00:44:36.740
their Christ. And that is what makes it a disgusting heresy, right? Like to misinterpret the Bible so
00:44:43.780
much that you're basically platforming and honoring what Bibi Netanyahu does, avoiding the topic, not
00:44:50.060
acknowledging that what he's doing to the Palestinians is wrong. Having love for Jerusalem, that makes
00:44:56.600
sense. Having love for, to be able to walk in Jerusalem and to see the relics, that all makes
00:45:03.120
sense to me. And I think I'm just more disgusted by people who turn a blind eye to everything that's
00:45:07.660
happened to the Palestinians. It just makes me sick. And to see him on camera acting like such a gangster
00:45:12.480
and people pretending that he's holy, where there's even a shred of documented proof that these people
00:45:19.240
are the original people from the Holy Land is crazy. There's way more proof to the contrary, which
00:45:24.480
they stopped printing, even their own textbooks, which they've stopped printing, that point to the
00:45:28.960
fact that they came from Turkey, the Turkic Ashkenaz tribe that came down, began speaking Yiddish, and
00:45:34.860
then needed a place to go after World War II. It's crazy to me. The whole thing's crazy. Again, I would
00:45:40.380
debate anybody on that topic. Definitely feeling especially fired up about it. A smoky mountain kitty
00:45:46.780
writes, always trust your gut. Our brain takes in far more information than we are aware of. I love your
00:45:51.800
show and all that you do. Thank you so much. Beck Bild writes, so glad Charlie had you. On another
00:45:57.640
topic, dinosaurs, hundreds of Bible-believing PhD scientists have evidence that dinosaurs are real,
00:46:03.140
killed during the global flood of Genesis, the Institute for Creation Research, answers in Genesis
00:46:08.120
and creation. Okay, guys, I'm sorry. Nope. Sorry. And this is going to get, I bet you, people that are
00:46:13.860
going through my book club by the end of this, you're going to see that there was a conscious movement,
00:46:17.920
as I said, at the turn of the century. Same time, they started going, oh, we found dinosaur bone
00:46:23.180
too. And then you get into like the research of, you come from an Australopithecus. And they
00:46:29.880
describe this as like, oh, suddenly science was peaking. And actually what was happening is they
00:46:36.480
wanted to make people invest in scientism. That's a C.S. Lewis perspective. He writes about that in one of
00:46:43.520
his books where they wanted to turn science into God. And as long as they say, there's an expert,
00:46:48.520
there's research experts say that people would fall into line. And that's what we see happening.
00:46:54.240
So I can't do a deep dive on the dinosaur thing right now, but the book club, we're going to go
00:46:59.020
there eventually. And I just can, I don't know, I just, I see a bigger picture, a broader picture now,
00:47:05.060
removing the Bibles from classrooms, teaching people that they're homo sapiens,
00:47:09.540
and they started walking straight, but also the monkeys are still here. It was very methodical
00:47:14.180
and yeah, broader conversation to have. I can't wait for that clip to go viral, by the way. Like
00:47:19.440
I care, but I also don't believe the moon landings happened. So you can cut that clip
00:47:23.100
because they didn't happen. That's crazy. More scientism. Anyways, Smokey, I'm sorry. Christine
00:47:28.200
writes, loyalty is rare. Christ is King. Indeed he is. Beth Mitchum writes, so we give Israel billions.
00:47:35.760
People who support Israel give AIPAC money to give our government, to give to our government to vote
00:47:42.120
the way Israel wants. So my tax money pays for Israeli ideas. We pay Congress twice. Can you say
00:47:47.720
money laundering? Yeah, that's what it feels like for sure. We give our tax dollars, they go overseas,
00:47:52.860
and then they yell at us for paying attention to what they're doing overseas and then call us
00:47:57.400
anti-Semitic. This is like the worst deal ever. And I'd like that deal to be undone. And it certainly
00:48:03.000
isn't going to be undone in this administration. That's for sure. Jennifer Kay writes, just asked
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Grok if Israel and Egypt coordinate on intelligence ops. It says yes, calling their cooperation
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unprecedented. Since the 1979 peace treaty, Intel chiefs have met often, share real-time data.
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Honestly, few countries make more sense working together. Yeah. Country A that gets most of our
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money is Israel. B is Egypt. And there is a reason for that. So it doesn't look like it's all going to
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Israel. That's my perspective. Darth Phantom writes, citizens have, and I would say since the
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1967 war, do you think that they would let Israel control the Sinai Peninsula? Anyways, more on that
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later. Darth Phantom writes, citizens have always paid taxes to finally be able to retire. And the
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thanks that we get for this is they raise the age on us to retire and we all obey like idiots. Am I
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the only one angered about this? Yeah, it's all coming apart. We're realizing it's all one big scam.
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It's all usury. And it is a sin and everything that's happening into our in our country, our
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culture, the corrosion. I think it's because America has married to Zionism. Like I truly do
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believe that. And I think a lot of people are waking up to that. We were a better country when
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we were a Christian nation. We are no longer a Christian nation. We are an occupied nation with
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an ideology that has produced filth in our culture. Miranda writes, hi, Candace. I'm 23. And I should be
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clear a political ideology dressed up as a religion and a faith. Miranda writes, Candace, I'm 23 and
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newly married. We just found out that I'm pregnant. Congratulations. I'm nervous, but I know children
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are God's blessings. You have any advice for me as a young mother. Is it OK to be nervous? My advice
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would be not to take advice. It is going to be the most natural job that you have. You are going to
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just know what to do when you see the baby and it will make you a better person because you will be so
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tapped into God's creation. You will realize that there is something more. It is one of the sins
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in the culture that kind of trained us to have children later is that we don't tap into our
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divine purpose and children immediately have you tap into your divine purpose. You feel more
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wholesome, more confident. I became a more confident person when I had children because I suddenly
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realized what matters and what doesn't matter. And that's why I fight like hell for truth because
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it matters. Right. My investment is that I have children and my silence is essentially cowardice
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that would guarantee that their future would be compromised, could be more compromised than our
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lives are right now, right now. Lastly, Real Lightworker writes, have you looked into events
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going on at UVU that day? A college student posted an FB reel of her experience. She ran into a building
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where the room was filled with uniformed people and a bunch of different flags. Who were they?
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That's the hall of flags that's behind Charlie's head. And I do find something suspicious was going on
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there. I've never gotten clarity, but that's where notoriously the person who filmed the footage,
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the only footage that we have of the person running across who they say is the shooter running across
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the Losey Center. So yeah, look, we are investigating every day with more information. Tomorrow we will have
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more explosive information and revelations about the Egyptian plane, which is so interesting. Speaking of
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the unique relationship between Egypt and Israel, TikTok is hitting us for videos talking about the
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Egyptian planes. That's very strange. Israel's moderator served in the IDF, we know, and Bibi wants
00:51:25.700
TikTok secured for Israel's future. Why do they care about Egyptian planes that were there? It's kind of
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coming together. There's a picture here that's coming together. Anyways, you guys, we have to jump off
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because we do have book club tonight. So I will see you guys in the Zionist infiltration on our book
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club. We finally did it, guys. We went viral and they're stealing clips from behind the paywall.
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If you guys would like to support our work, you know, you can go to CandiceOwens.com. You can go to
00:51:50.580
MakeHimASandwich.com to buy the book. You will really enjoy this book. It's really important, especially
00:51:56.800
for women to understand where these feminist ideals came from. And beyond that, we will see you guys tomorrow.