Candace Owens - March 11, 2026


EXPLOSIVE! What Erika Kirk Was Doing In Epstein's Orbit… ｜ Candace Ep 310


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00:00:00.000 All right, you guys. Well, I can tell you that this young lady is my whole mood today.
00:00:06.400 I'm just telling you right now, if Erica Kirk is ever on a ticket, I am not voting for Erica Kirk.
00:00:13.440 I will vote for anybody else. I will vote for somebody foreign before I vote for Erica Kirk.
00:00:21.780 I'll vote for somebody's pet fish before I vote for Erica Kirk. I am done. I have seen enough.
00:00:27.880 I can no longer bear people defending Erica Kirk in any way, any shape, any form.
00:00:32.780 It has to end.
00:00:33.400 It has to stop.
00:00:34.440 Okay?
00:00:34.840 It has to stop right now because we received some follow-up information regarding Erica's
00:00:40.260 time in New York, confusing time in New York, specifically more details pertaining to what
00:00:47.060 the hell Erica was doing parked at a modeling agency that was frequented by Jeffrey Epstein.
00:00:53.180 And you know what?
00:00:53.740 This information feels pretty explosive.
00:00:56.360 I would say it requires a response.
00:01:00.060 We can't keep pretending that this is just some godly woman
00:01:04.080 who's just being attacked by the internet.
00:01:07.840 Erica's past is checkered.
00:01:09.360 It's very checkered.
00:01:10.200 Her mother, her acquaintances, everything about this girl
00:01:14.620 should be sending off alarm bells,
00:01:17.580 especially for the people that keep defending her.
00:01:21.100 Look at the people that keep defending her.
00:01:24.120 They themselves are the biggest red flag.
00:01:28.000 Let's jump right back in.
00:01:29.460 Welcome back to Candace.
00:01:44.620 You know, our new rule here is if you see something, say something.
00:01:48.480 We open up investigations to the world because it just tends to be that you get a lot of
00:01:52.720 information when you do that. It really is incredible. And as soon as we opened the door
00:01:58.260 to the plausibility that Erica and Jeffrey Epstein may have come across each other,
00:02:03.120 certainly plausible, they seem to be just swimming around each other, more people began talking and
00:02:09.460 remembering some things. Now, I'm going to preface this by saying that we did not go out to Erica
00:02:15.060 for comment regarding today's episode because it makes very little sense if someone ignores your
00:02:19.800 first email question to think that they're going to be willing to answer a related follow-up
00:02:24.900 question. Let's get back into this next model management. It was co-founded by Faith Cates.
00:02:31.120 We told you this yesterday. A dear friend to Jeffrey Epstein. All over the emails, 4,000 plus
00:02:36.940 times. Her offices had a ton of Eastern European models that were going through it. She's actually
00:02:45.240 known for having made the careers of various Eastern European models. And like I told you
00:02:51.200 guys, Jeffrey Epstein was around this office a lot. He frequented the office as you would if it
00:02:56.260 was your friends. All of this is a fact. Now, another interesting fact is that Faith Cates,
00:03:02.180 she actually knew Epstein since before she co-founded Next because she was actually the
00:03:07.980 vice president of the women's division over at Wilhelmina Models first. Wilhelmina Models
00:03:14.860 was co-founded by Fran Rothschild, okay?
00:03:19.880 Frances Rothschild is her name.
00:03:23.600 Now, why is that interesting?
00:03:25.000 Because you will recall in Jeffrey Epstein's
00:03:27.520 recently released emails that he said to Peter Thiel
00:03:30.680 that he works directly for the Rothschilds family.
00:03:34.320 He's spreading around their money.
00:03:35.960 I will show you that email here so that we can confirm it.
00:03:39.240 It is Jeffrey to Peter.
00:03:41.700 He says, as you probably know,
00:03:43.200 I represent the Rothschilds. I was hoping to figure out a way for the bank that has $160
00:03:49.020 billion in management to do something in tech. Best client list in the world. Prehistoric
00:03:56.660 products. It can wait. Okay. Just asserting that as a fact here. All right. Now, what is also a
00:04:02.460 fact is that the Rothschilds credit themselves with creating the modern state of Israel. Zionism
00:04:11.160 was there for their platitude. Zionists were also the people that were squeezing Charlie Kirk
00:04:18.120 at the end of his life, morally blackmailing Charlie Kirk, stressing out Charlie Kirk,
00:04:24.720 pulling money away from Charlie Kirk and the organization. Charlie himself said that he was
00:04:30.060 done with the pro-Israel cause. But then he was murdered, and his wife did a complete 180 like
00:04:37.020 LBJ, inviting, frankly, deranged Zionists into the fold immediately. Ben Shapiro, who was in fact
00:04:44.820 an enemy to her husband, effectively opened Amfest. She came out first and then Ben Shapiro
00:04:50.540 came out second. He was also allowed onto Charlie Kirk's show and appeared in person rather in his
00:04:56.540 studio. Very odd. I want you to park that into your mind. She never came out and said anything
00:05:01.860 about Josh Hammer lying when he said Charlie,
00:05:06.040 effectively, that Charlie never blinked on Israel.
00:05:08.900 Never, she never said anything at all
00:05:10.700 about what Charlie was going through.
00:05:12.300 Never said, oh, that donor took money away from him.
00:05:15.000 I'm so angry about that.
00:05:16.600 Not once.
00:05:17.880 Actually, you could argue she did the opposite.
00:05:19.840 She was setting up interviews with the likes of Barry Weiss,
00:05:23.200 pushing Charlie's final book,
00:05:25.580 Shabbat Shalom, Shabbat Shalom.
00:05:26.820 Okay, we got it.
00:05:28.820 Now, what is also a fact is that some of the employees
00:05:31.680 and some of the people who were associated parties
00:05:35.380 with Next Models,
00:05:37.660 remember Erika Fransfey at the office taking meetings.
00:05:42.860 Weird, because Erika Kirk,
00:05:45.020 despite her very illustrious multi-hyphenated career,
00:05:48.520 she's actually never made the claim
00:05:50.500 to have worked for a modeling agency.
00:05:53.460 So what was she doing?
00:05:54.500 That was a question we went out to her with.
00:05:55.960 What were you actually doing here,
00:05:57.660 parked up at this office?
00:05:58.940 What is your connection here to next model agency, next model management?
00:06:05.460 And yeah, do you know Faith Cates?
00:06:07.780 How do you know Faith Cates, Erica?
00:06:10.560 Do you know, did you see Epstein walking around the office?
00:06:15.140 Fair questions.
00:06:16.680 Well, what we can now confirm, and these are eyewitness accounts specifically,
00:06:22.860 that they recall Erica because she was taking meetings at the office
00:06:28.200 and those offices were pertaining to real estate, real estate for the models that were coming from
00:06:36.340 Eastern Europe who were being packed like sardines into apartment buildings. Now, on background,
00:06:44.180 in case you're not familiar with the modeling industry, as I am not, the sources confirm that
00:06:49.660 what is typical in the modeling world was for agencies to find places for girls to stay
00:06:56.860 while they were in New York.
00:06:58.540 They tell me, and I'm going to quote this here,
00:07:00.680 I quote,
00:07:01.440 Younger girls, when they first get to New York City,
00:07:04.340 they pack them in like cattle into one apartment.
00:07:09.320 End quote.
00:07:10.340 Which makes Erica's role curious
00:07:12.980 because multiple people remember
00:07:15.200 and they say that Erica Fransfey was the contact.
00:07:19.900 Specifically, what they recall is she was the contact
00:07:22.260 for a white building on the Upper East Side
00:07:25.640 around 68th Street and 2nd and 3rd Avenue.
00:07:31.260 It's pretty specific.
00:07:32.080 Yeah, that she was the contact.
00:07:33.280 Now, why?
00:07:33.820 What?
00:07:34.840 Erica's the contact.
00:07:36.000 These girls coming.
00:07:37.100 Erica's got these people in,
00:07:38.400 and we've all been trying to figure out
00:07:39.540 what's she doing in real estate.
00:07:41.800 But yeah, that is the memory of the people
00:07:44.280 who were working with and around Next Model Management.
00:07:47.900 Real estate contact.
00:07:49.080 And they said, we don't really know why.
00:07:52.720 They don't know why, and I don't know how.
00:07:55.640 Because the issue that I'm having here is that Erica did not actually have her real estate license yet.
00:08:00.680 Remember, real estate licenses are a matter of public record.
00:08:04.460 So how could it be that Erica was working with one of the top modeling agencies in New York City, full stop, regarding, would you describe it as real estate deals, allegedly?
00:08:16.460 Maybe she was the property manager?
00:08:19.340 Well, I have another clue, actually, and this is a fact.
00:08:25.440 Erica told people specifically during that time
00:08:28.640 that she was doing real estate deals with her family.
00:08:34.000 Keyword here, family.
00:08:37.080 But which family?
00:08:38.100 Who's the family?
00:08:40.000 We can, I think, reasonably assume
00:08:41.580 that she's not referring to her family back in Scottsdale.
00:08:44.800 Lori doesn't do real estate.
00:08:45.960 She's a tech genius, remember?
00:08:47.720 A sustainability tech genius,
00:08:49.720 sustainability, sustainability, sustainability.
00:08:51.080 responsibility. It's much more likely that she's in New York and she's saying this, that she's
00:08:56.620 referring to the Rothstein family. Now, you will remember Erica at this time was living with Nicole
00:09:02.200 Rothstein, and it is a fact that Nicole Rothstein did work in real estate, not to add to the Corcoran
00:09:06.380 Group, but she has a long career in real estate. She went to school for real estate, and she
00:09:10.000 currently runs her own real estate company. And her father, Alan Rothstein, Erica is extremely
00:09:16.180 close with him. She calls him uncle. He was the chairman, might still be the chairman of
00:09:21.100 Windhaven Real Estate. And yeah, like I said, this is what she wrote about him on Instagram
00:09:27.140 in 2017. This post reads, there's something powerful about God's strategic planning when
00:09:33.600 it comes to the people that he has surrounded you. How blessed am I to have individuals like
00:09:39.400 you, Uncle Alan, in my life that are filled with spirit. Constantly seeing life in bloom,
00:09:45.160 I have watched you face adversity and triumph, and in doing so, pass a gift of courage and a
00:09:50.060 message of understanding to those around you that if you live boldly and fearlessly,
00:09:54.560 the impossible is possible. I love you. Hey, she loves her Uncle Alan. Now, I bring this up because
00:10:02.520 it's, I'm just asserting that it's very plausible that these were the people who introduced Erica
00:10:07.680 to the world of real estate. I will also add here that I haven't gone down the Rothstein rabbit
00:10:12.760 hole, but I do know that Rothsteins in New York, if they are at all related to the Rothstein that
00:10:21.500 was involved with fixing the White Sox game, that's a Rothschild. That's a Rothschild family
00:10:26.100 member. His mother was a Rothschild. Again, I don't know if that is true, but it sure would
00:10:32.280 be interesting to find that out. Very clearly want to say I'm not asserting that these two did
00:10:37.140 anything wrong, Alan or Nicole. I'm just trying to put the pieces together to establish how
00:10:42.360 Erica, who was herself at this time trying to be booked onto reality TV shows for fashion or
00:10:49.480 really anything, the American race, dating, whatever she could. I'm wondering how she
00:10:53.660 pivoted so seamlessly into the genre of real estate. How was she able to climb the ranks
00:11:00.000 so speedily, so high? And by the way, we should read her real estate bio because it really is
00:11:05.700 something to read Erica's real estate bio so you understand she was a power player, okay?
00:11:12.360 And it reads, and I'm sorry, it's a little bit small for me.
00:11:15.660 Erika Fransfey is a multidimensional entrepreneur.
00:11:19.940 She keeps writing that, and I don't really know what that means.
00:11:22.720 Like, is she in 2D?
00:11:23.780 Is she in 4D?
00:11:24.700 Is this like a Tesseract again?
00:11:26.420 Anyway, Erika Fransfey is a multidimensional entrepreneur with a bold and steadfast faith
00:11:31.960 that has sustained, oh, sustainability, her borderless heart.
00:11:36.460 She has lived all over the world, from Los Angeles to China, working in the entertainment
00:11:40.900 industry as an agency represented model actress and casting director is it all several years ago
00:11:47.740 after her heart was captured by the contagious inspiration of america's most transnational city
00:11:54.280 she bought a one-way ticket to new york city and made it home erica is known throughout her
00:11:58.620 community and deep network base as an influential and positive voice her experience working on the
00:12:05.940 developer side of the New York City real estate industry is a tremendous asset to her role as an
00:12:12.720 agent. With a work ethic that is unmatched and a zealous disposition to make a difference,
00:12:18.520 her main focus is the fiduciary relationship. I'm sorry, excuse me. Is she in finance now?
00:12:24.520 With her clients. Is she managing their money? I don't know. While placing their real estate needs
00:12:29.860 as her top priority. Who are these clients? Her focus, she says, is fiduciary. It's interesting.
00:12:38.600 We go on. Erica is also the founder and CEO of Everyday Heroes Like You, a 501c3 charitable
00:12:44.520 organization that assists other nonprofits globally. The organization celebrates their
00:12:49.220 12th year and their longstanding partnership with the United States Marine Corps by expanding into
00:12:54.340 China and Costa Rica while continuing their community outreach programs in the United States
00:13:00.540 and Constanta, Romania. Erica's perseverant spirit has been the driving force behind her
00:13:06.700 eclectic background. From being a former NCAA women's basketball athlete to Miss Arizona USH
00:13:13.860 2012, she knows what it takes to set a goal and fearlessly pursue it. Erica graduated magna cum
00:13:20.500 loud. We have not been able to confirm that. That seems to be made up, but so is the rest of this
00:13:24.980 bio appeared to be made up. So we'll just keep going. With a double major in political science
00:13:29.800 and international relations, that also appears to be made up because international relations was not
00:13:35.700 offered at that year. From Arizona State University and is currently pursuing a
00:13:41.080 Juris Master degree at Liberty University. It's a lot. It's a mouthful.
00:13:45.840 i just would like to know what i what i'd like to know more than anything is what any of it means
00:13:52.300 and maybe i'm thinking out loud here but how exactly do impoverished girls from eastern
00:14:00.040 europe young impoverished girls from eastern europe afford apartments in one of the most
00:14:06.920 expensive cities in the world how are they making money as young models from eastern europe how why
00:14:14.560 Why is Erica the point person on that?
00:14:18.200 Allegedly, but the people that dealt with her to Breckley say so.
00:14:22.340 I'd like to hear Erica's feedback on that.
00:14:25.980 What's she doing?
00:14:28.040 Who are these clients, these real estate clients that she's helping with their finances?
00:14:36.060 Also, as an aside, why am I unable to confirm Erica's New York real estate license?
00:14:40.860 I am indeed able to find a relic of it on a third-party site, but I'm not able to independently verify it on New York State's Division of License's website now.
00:14:51.120 The New York State, as from what I'm seeing at first glance, is supposed to hold this information for at least six years, but I can't find a shred of proof regarding which real estate deals Erica completed.
00:15:02.420 All right, so maybe you guys can help because we're coming up to the six-year deadline. That
00:15:06.760 should be October of this year. Here is her real estate license, the relic of it that I found,
00:15:12.160 license number 10401322765. Okay, it was issued to Erica. They are active for two years,
00:15:22.860 so we can discern that it was issued on October 24th of 2018, and it was valid at least until
00:15:30.440 2020. Anything, real estate people in New York, let me know what you can find, if you can confirm
00:15:37.900 Erica's real estate license and what she sold. Because that bio sounds legit. She's managing
00:15:45.000 some serious clients there, helping to manage their money, okay, in real estate deals. I'm
00:15:51.180 very interested in that. Now, if you see something, if you know something, maybe you were featured in
00:15:57.640 one of these dimensions with Erica, you went 2D, 4D, I'm in 3D, but maybe you went somewhere else
00:16:04.140 and you saw her, please, we'd like to hear from you. More tips at CandaceOwens.com.
00:16:12.000 Like I said, this is very obviously something Erica should answer for. You want to be the
00:16:17.260 queen bee? You want to be a public figure? You want people floating your name as president of
00:16:21.880 the United States? Well, let's get to a little bit of background. Who are you? What were you
00:16:27.620 you doing? And the answer should be very clear and very concise because I struggle. Got to be
00:16:33.180 honest, I struggle to believe that Erica was in fact, while in New York, doing real estate deals
00:16:41.680 with fiduciary responsibilities while helping Turning Point USA, filming a reality TV show,
00:16:50.320 also in school full time to get her Juris Masters followed by her law degree at Liberty
00:16:56.880 while also studying the mandatory 77 hours to achieve her real estate license while also
00:17:04.120 running an international charity in partnership with the U.S. Marines halfway around the world
00:17:09.980 and in China while also running a faith-based clothing company, plus, you know, giving advice
00:17:18.780 to Turning Point, doing all of that at the same time. That's a struggle for me. I can't get there.
00:17:25.820 I don't think she was doing that because I keep not being born yesterday.
00:17:33.660 So hard not being born yesterday.
00:17:37.580 Also, if we're asking questions, how is it that Erika is always so tied to Eastern Europe?
00:17:43.620 Why is she just like kind of floating around this girl from Ohio?
00:17:48.380 How does she get linked to Romania and the United States Marines?
00:17:52.260 And today, I should be clear,
00:17:54.760 she presents it as though she was just sending gifts.
00:17:57.140 That's kind of the new thing.
00:17:58.160 Oh, I was just, you know,
00:17:59.100 helping to send Christmas gifts to kids in need in an orphanage.
00:18:01.580 That was it.
00:18:02.160 Organizing gifts being sent,
00:18:03.740 which, of course, again, the common sense,
00:18:05.780 that would not require the support of the United States Marines.
00:18:10.020 You can do that right now today, team.
00:18:13.240 Phone up someone in Romania and ask them for an address,
00:18:16.480 and you can send gifts, right?
00:18:19.660 It's expensive to ship.
00:18:20.860 You could probably ground ship that. I don't, you know. Her involvement was much more. How do I know? Well, because before the scandal broke and accusations of child trafficking onto the military base, Erica used to claim that she was a bit more involved, a lot more involved.
00:18:39.340 I'll let you take a listen to Erika in her own words during her audition tape for the American race with her ex-boyfriend.
00:18:48.720 Here's what she says about Romanian Angels. Take a listen.
00:18:51.040 We just have a borderless heart to help people and to give back.
00:18:55.960 And, you know, I have been to Romania and teamed up with the Marine Corps to open up and sustain an orphanage with 75 beautiful children.
00:19:06.420 So, and that's called Romanian Angels through my nonprofit, Everyday Heroes Like You.
00:19:12.680 She opened up in partnership with the Marines.
00:19:16.520 She opened up and she sustained an orphanage.
00:19:20.980 So I would like to know more about that.
00:19:22.880 I do.
00:19:23.280 I now need to know more about that.
00:19:24.840 I do think that the TikTokers were not so crazy,
00:19:29.500 instantly going down that rabbit hole and asking for more information.
00:19:32.840 and I feel even more compelled to get information about that
00:19:36.580 because according to one of the former children,
00:19:40.020 now an adult, the former child, now an adult,
00:19:43.320 who was adopted out of Antonio's placement center,
00:19:47.300 that is notably a corrupt orphanage, okay?
00:19:51.460 This is, and she's referring to Antonio's placement center,
00:19:54.320 just to make it clear for you guys,
00:19:55.740 Everyday Heroes is her 501c3
00:19:58.400 and then they do various projects.
00:20:00.280 This was called the Romanian Angels Project
00:20:02.480 and they did this the romanian angels so to speak were living at antonio's placement center
00:20:08.460 in constanta romania where our base was and i'm going to read you this email from someone
00:20:13.520 who was placed from the antonio placement center just it reads dear candace i am writing to share
00:20:20.600 personal historical context regarding the antonio placement center in constanta romania which may
00:20:26.220 be relevant to your reporting on erica kirk and the romanian angels project while independent
00:20:30.560 fact checkers have found no evidence linking Ms. Kirk's work to illicit activities, I believe the
00:20:35.440 history of the Antonio Placement Center warrants further investigation. I was personally placed in
00:20:41.460 this center under dubious circumstances involving misdiagnosis and institutional pressure before
00:20:46.940 being adopted internationally. This center in particular are notorious for corruption and
00:20:52.060 illicit activities such as trafficking children, which is why I was shocked that out of all of the
00:20:56.600 placement centers in Romania, this was a center that she chose to partner with. It is noteworthy
00:21:00.540 that Ms. Kirk's promotional materials from approximately 2012 to 2014 specifically referenced
00:21:08.100 the Antonio Placement Center as a partner for her international efforts. This intersection is
00:21:13.080 significant because the institution has been part of a broader system criticized for lack of
00:21:18.000 transparency and the documented practice of placing children in care based on catastrophic
00:21:22.840 language rather than medical or social necessity. In my own case, I was labeled with severe
00:21:28.900 impairments that were not supported by my developmental records. Given how much history
00:21:34.020 there is about Romanian institutional practices, adoption controversies, and the experience of
00:21:39.040 people who grew up in these centers, it seems important to look beyond the social media claims
00:21:43.780 and consider the history and operations of Antonio Placement Center itself. Best regards, Larissa.
00:21:51.020 Well, I hear that call, and I would like to hear from some more people who were adopted
00:21:56.420 from the Antonio Placement Center in Santa.
00:21:59.840 Also, if you live in Romania, you have access to documents.
00:22:03.100 I would like to know, I would like to separate fact from fiction
00:22:06.340 or Erika from Erika.
00:22:08.300 Did they start and open the Antonio Placement Center?
00:22:13.260 Does that mean they took over the Antonio Placement Center?
00:22:16.620 Was the U.S. Marines operating it?
00:22:19.080 Or were they just pretending to give gifts?
00:22:21.380 I want to know as much as there is to know because I have the ick.
00:22:24.980 and speaking of the ick we should talk about Tyler Boyer Erica's friend her dear friend who
00:22:31.600 introduced her to her husband but for the life of her she cannot remember how they met it's a
00:22:35.820 difficult one tricky one very tricky one I uh had a a person sent me a recent conversation that they
00:22:44.540 had on social media with Tyler uh because he gets he gets a little all snippy on social media
00:22:49.920 gaslights people, pretends he's a good guy. And this is his excuse for why he was in Romania in
00:22:56.020 2010. It's good to see it. Tyler says that this person was his business partner. I'm skipping to
00:23:03.640 the bottom here. I studied Romanian in college to complement my Russian studies and did a few
00:23:08.560 weeks studying abroad in school. Not everything is a conspiracy. I feel it is a conspiracy. I don't
00:23:17.140 think it is just ironic that you happen to go right when the military base got set up and when
00:23:23.040 Dennis France Bay was there. I just I don't buy that. And I got interested because I said a
00:23:27.180 Romanian program. That sounds unique. Does Arizona State University have a Romanian program?
00:23:33.080 And they do. And the history of it. I actually was shocked. Romanian programs are rare and
00:23:41.040 there's no major. But Arizona University, Arizona State University is actually the only
00:23:46.140 university in America that you can even achieve a minor in Romanian studies. How random. And the
00:23:52.660 history of how this program developed is pretty precise. In 2010, the very year that Tyler Boyer
00:23:58.680 went over to Romania, Arizona State University became the site of an honorary consulate general
00:24:05.540 of Romania in Arizona. Effectively, just to understand that, a Romanian embassy
00:24:11.180 on ASU campus. An honorary Romanian embassy was established in 2010. And then in 2011,
00:24:20.760 the program inaugurated the first Romanian electorate, the first in an American academic
00:24:27.540 environment. And it was funded by a Romanian language institute. They also launched ASU,
00:24:35.020 the Central European Cultural Collaborative, which facilitates partnerships with Romanian
00:24:42.220 universities. Now there's a bit of a revolving door. 2010 was one hell of a year for Romania
00:24:49.500 and Arizona. That's what I would definitely say. But this relationship has continued to got,
00:24:55.300 you guys, you're not going to believe this, but big news. Beginning in July of last year,
00:25:00.800 a few months before Charlie was assassinated,
00:25:03.020 now Arizona is becoming further embedded with Romania.
00:25:06.780 They are the first and the only state
00:25:09.760 to open a trade office in Romania.
00:25:14.080 This was announced.
00:25:14.840 Let's check out my headline.
00:25:15.860 I promise you, Arizona to be the first U.S. state
00:25:18.720 to open a trade office in Romania.
00:25:23.400 That sure is something.
00:25:25.440 I just, the Romania to Arizona pipeline shore
00:25:29.100 feels like something.
00:25:32.360 So I would like to say,
00:25:34.320 in closing,
00:25:35.160 that we should pay attention to this.
00:25:36.880 We're starting to see how this world works,
00:25:38.540 and this is weird.
00:25:40.260 This is weird.
00:25:41.040 Do not let Tyler gaslight you
00:25:42.740 in conversations.
00:25:44.560 It's odd.
00:25:46.040 This should be screaming at you
00:25:47.720 as it is screaming at me
00:25:49.400 that something's not right.
00:25:51.300 Turning Point Headquarters,
00:25:53.120 a location picked by Tyler Boyer.
00:25:55.620 Charlie Kerr didn't even open the organization.
00:25:57.160 started in Chicago.
00:25:59.680 He says, oh, this is going to be great.
00:26:01.580 They choose a spot for their campus
00:26:04.620 that is a trafficking hotbed, factually.
00:26:08.060 Erica's strange attachment to Tyler Boyer,
00:26:10.020 but lack of a memory regarding Tyler Boyer.
00:26:13.080 Superfeed Incorporated,
00:26:15.020 where Erica's mother is serving as a board member
00:26:17.640 with Tyler Boyer.
00:26:21.320 And Superfeed, by the way,
00:26:23.440 read the fine print on Turning Point USA.
00:26:26.440 USA's app, Superfeed, owns the copyright,
00:26:30.560 which means that's where your data is going.
00:26:33.680 Just pretty interesting there.
00:26:37.600 Turning point, allegedly getting into real estate,
00:26:40.160 Tyler Boyer being at the forefront of that,
00:26:43.320 according to the tips that we've received,
00:26:44.940 that's a little bit of ick, right?
00:26:46.500 Charlie establishing a doge seven days before he died,
00:26:50.460 BB's phone call in the Hamptons,
00:26:52.360 Donald Trump, pageantry world, the Epstein files,
00:26:56.440 What Epstein files? Are we still talking about the Epstein files? Trump trying to make Fetch
00:27:01.760 happen with Erica Kirk. Photos. Oh, we're supposed to just view her as some sort of a leader
00:27:06.600 as if she was promised it for some reason, like she was guaranteed the keys to Charlie's empire.
00:27:13.100 Why? All of this stinks to high heaven. You know it. I know it. Any rational people in the world
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00:29:38.660 Just not fetching. I'm sorry, Trump. Now, some of us were actually grieving Charlie Kirk.
00:29:45.860 Turning Point USA, on the other hand, was grieving differently, just differently.
00:29:53.880 Turns out there was no pathway in which these goblins were not trying to strike gold off of his name,
00:30:03.560 including, ladies and gentlemen, in case you missed it, at the DMV.
00:30:08.460 Man, I had quite a chuckle about this.
00:30:11.660 They were like, what else can we do? The DMV, let's make some money.
00:30:15.240 So apparently what happened was back in January, Arizona senator named Jake Hoffman.
00:30:21.280 Now, I should let you know, Jake Hoffman is a dear friend of Tyler Boyer, a partner of Tyler Boyer.
00:30:26.400 He formerly used to work at Turning Point USA.
00:30:28.600 They make money together.
00:30:30.060 I knew Jake Hoffman.
00:30:31.460 OK, this is not this ain't some senator.
00:30:34.380 I didn't know Charlie, but I was impacted.
00:30:36.120 No. OK, he's he's embedded with Turning Point USA.
00:30:40.300 And Jake Hoffman, back on January 28th, introduced a bill for a state license plate to honor Charlie Kirk.
00:30:48.400 You know, guys, it's all about honoring him.
00:30:51.920 Legacy.
00:30:53.040 Now, the proposed specialty plate, which was going to be referred to as a Charlie Kirk memorial plate,
00:30:59.440 was essentially going to feature a photo of Charlie and the Turning Point USA logo in front of an American flag background.
00:31:09.340 a little shameless promotion. And below the license plate, as you just saw, the words were
00:31:14.400 going to read for Charlie because it was definitely for Charlie. OK, I'm sure somewhere
00:31:19.400 there's an interview where they're going to explain to us like, oh, you know, I had a
00:31:22.400 conversation with him and Charlie said, wouldn't it be so great if we had to find my faces on a
00:31:25.840 plate? I'm sure. Right. The ghost of Charlie always when nobody's there says exactly what
00:31:31.400 they're trying to accomplish. Anyway, so this goes through and the Senate passed. They passed
00:31:36.940 the bill, 16-2. And then the House of Reps also voted in favor of the bill, 31-23. And now in
00:31:44.760 case you're thinking, maybe that's sweet, maybe this really was for Charlie, you should think
00:31:48.500 again. You should remember that we're speaking about Turning Point USA. There's got to be money
00:31:53.640 somewhere, right? There's got to be ka-ching, ka-ching somewhere. So how it actually would
00:31:58.440 have worked is that you would have paid a $25 fee for that specialty plate, $17 of which
00:32:06.420 would have been an annual donation deposited into a conservative grassroots network special
00:32:15.480 plate fund, according to the legislation. And while the recipient of the grassroots network
00:32:22.800 special plate fund was not explicitly stated as being Turning Point USA in the bill, it did note
00:32:29.320 that the director of the fund would allocate the revenue annually to a nonprofit organization
00:32:36.520 founded in 2012 that focuses on restoring traditional values and maintaining a grassroots
00:32:42.900 activist network on high school and college campuses in Arizona and assisting college
00:32:48.240 students with voter registration and absentee ballots. They just, no shame. There's no shame.
00:32:57.100 It's amazing. It's amazing to think through the new CEO really being up there like,
00:33:05.900 these YouTubers are making thousands of dollars investigating who killed my husband.
00:33:10.920 Thousands of dollars they are making. Look at them. I can't believe it. Shame.
00:33:17.780 But what happens thereafter is Katie Hobbs, who is the governor, vetoed the bill quite rationally,
00:33:22.600 I might add, she wrote a very nice letter and basically her reasoning, her letter, I'll read
00:33:29.080 it here. She said, today I vetoed SB 1439. Charlie Cook's assassination is tragic and a horrifying
00:33:35.160 act of violence. In America, we resolve our political differences at the ballot box. No
00:33:39.820 matter who it targets, political violence puts us all in harm's way and damages our sacred
00:33:43.860 democratic institutions. I will continue working toward solutions and bringing people together,
00:33:48.140 but this bill falls short of that standard
00:33:50.120 by inserting politics into a function of government
00:33:52.840 that should remain nonpartisan.
00:33:54.720 Sincerely, Kate Hobbs.
00:33:56.600 Yeah.
00:33:57.780 Maybe if I was governor, I would add a couple lines
00:33:59.560 about y'all are shameless, you're crazy,
00:34:02.120 your mama should be ashamed of you,
00:34:03.360 but, you know, I'm not the governor.
00:34:05.320 I'm probably never going to be a governor for being fair.
00:34:07.960 Now, of course, Turning Point USA is in for the spin.
00:34:11.060 They're outraged.
00:34:12.080 Jake Hoffman is outraged.
00:34:13.660 Are there going to be kickbacks?
00:34:14.520 Who knows?
00:34:17.080 There's a lot.
00:34:17.720 There's a relationship there.
00:34:19.360 The Farnsworths, Jake Hoffman, Tyler, thick as eaves.
00:34:25.100 Here's what Jake Hoffman said on Fox News regarding her decision.
00:34:29.180 What's your response to the governor when she says that honoring Charlie Kirk, quote, falls short of that standard of bringing people together?
00:34:38.400 Well, listen, the only thing that falls short, unfortunately, is Katie Hobbs' track record actually trying to unite the people of Arizona.
00:34:45.840 Look, Charlie Kirk was an incredible man. He was a friend of mine for 11 years, and when he passed the memorial we held, it's the only time in Arizona history that we filled two professional sports stadiums to honor and run tribute to the life of an Arizona citizen.
00:35:03.340 He built a national organization with a global impact, reaching all the way from South Korea to London when he passed away.
00:35:11.600 There's no doubt that he was a uniter.
00:35:14.340 He was someone who championed free speech and he was a civil rights leader of our time.
00:35:19.120 Jake, here's what I don't get.
00:35:20.760 There are other license plates, including some that are tied to conservative causes that have been approved.
00:35:26.480 We have Choose Life.
00:35:28.480 That's from the Arizona Life Coalition and its mission to promote anti-abortion advocacy.
00:35:33.340 We have one from Alliance Defending Freedom, you know, talking about conservative Christian legal advocacy.
00:35:40.160 Yet the precedent that she says isn't there.
00:35:43.760 Is there anything different in these Charlie plates versus what you're seeing on your screen?
00:35:49.220 No, the reality is that Katie Hobbs has repeatedly been petty and partisan in everything that she's done,
00:35:56.300 whether it be her nominees that she appoints to run the state agencies or whether it be her her veto track record.
00:36:03.340 And in fact, just last year, she vetoed about nine of my bills and she used I chair the nominations committee and she used the acronym of the committee as her reason for the veto.
00:36:14.600 She's legally required to give us a reason. And she used the acronym of the committee to do it.
00:36:19.100 She is nakedly partisan. And this is why we have to make sure that there is a new governor elected come this November.
00:36:25.780 No, I don't care if Katie Hobbs wins the gubernatorial race. I don't care if a Republican
00:36:33.400 wins. I am just so disgusted with politics in general that we're even pretending this is a
00:36:39.660 left or right issue. Just say we want money. Just say we want to grift off of Charlie's death every
00:36:47.500 which way and manner that we can. Just say we want the $17 out of the $25. Let's stop pretending
00:36:55.420 It's about politics.
00:36:57.240 Let's stop pretending.
00:36:58.700 It's about Democrat versus Republican.
00:37:00.380 Let's just acknowledge that on both sides,
00:37:05.340 everybody's filth.
00:37:06.940 Everybody is filth.
00:37:08.680 And the people that they want to steal from
00:37:11.280 are the people that come to the DMV who have souls
00:37:13.920 and actually will look up and go,
00:37:16.020 wow, I was really impacted by Charlie's assassination.
00:37:18.700 And like, I would like to have that plate
00:37:20.540 so that it can be in memory of him.
00:37:22.640 And at the end of the day, who's that going?
00:37:24.840 Who's that money going to?
00:37:25.580 It's going to his wife's organization now.
00:37:29.440 And the messaging is apparently,
00:37:32.000 you can honor,
00:37:33.540 always honor Charlie with your hard-earned money.
00:37:36.020 I want you guys to know that.
00:37:36.540 This is the messaging coming out of Turning Point USA.
00:37:38.060 You can always honor Charlie with your hard-earned money.
00:37:41.220 You can't honor him by remembering the words that he said.
00:37:43.640 You can't honor him.
00:37:44.500 We got to take down all of his episodes.
00:37:48.060 We have to make sure we hide interviews of things he said.
00:37:50.460 We have to direct the ghost of Charlie.
00:37:52.760 We have to pretend he's like, you know,
00:37:54.760 didn't have all that going on with the Zionists at the end. We got to welcome them into the fold
00:37:59.480 with all of his enemies. Just give us money. We want your money. At all times of the day,
00:38:04.200 we want your money. It is the only way that you can honor Charlie. Just absolutely disgusting.
00:38:09.480 And I had to share that with you guys because I just thought to myself, there's just no end.
00:38:15.100 And by the way, of course, Tyler Boyer jumped into the fold because that's his boy. And here's
00:38:20.960 what he said on X. He wrote, every non-profit in Arizona that has major roots has a license plate.
00:38:26.560 Katie Hoppe's vetoed this over politics after Charlie was brutally murdered. Disgusting.
00:38:33.840 Yeah, I'm sure you just wanted that in memorial. I'm sure that was it, because, like, that's
00:38:38.780 obviously who Tyler Boyer is, and these were Charlie's best friends in the world.
00:38:44.960 That, my friend, is the problem. Anyway, we will be right back to answer some of your comments
00:38:50.720 after a quick break.
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00:41:37.780 I'm really wondering, do you have to sell your soul to be in politics?
00:41:42.780 Or does that just like make it easier?
00:41:44.700 You know, is it a requirement or is it just make it easier?
00:41:47.280 Anyway, that's just a rhetorical question that's going through my mind.
00:41:51.900 Top comments from last episode.
00:41:53.380 Steph Lora writes, let's all give a warm welcome to Erica Kirk, Blake, Andrew, Mikey, and everyone else at Turning Point USA who tunes in along with us every day to watch CO.
00:42:03.700 I wish they'd just come on the show.
00:42:06.100 I've made the offer.
00:42:07.140 I mean it.
00:42:08.040 I'm wanting to sit down with them.
00:42:10.540 I particularly would love to have a public conversation with Erica Kirk who has nothing to hide.
00:42:17.280 except a lot of stuff apparently. Olivia Joy writes, one thing Candace has shown for sure
00:42:22.540 is that everything eventually connects. I just think Romania, New York real estate,
00:42:28.960 the politics of it all, reality TV, there are some themes here that are hard to ignore is what
00:42:35.320 I would say. Easy Hammer writes, for today's episode, I heard Erica's written words spoken
00:42:40.800 out loud. It gives me the same level of cringe as watching her. Oh, hearing Erica's written words
00:42:45.060 spoken out loud gives me the same level of cringe as watching her say them on TV.
00:42:48.920 It's so many words to say nothing. That drives me insane. Just say less. Just say less. James
00:42:56.280 the least writes, being on the board of the US Air Force Academy sounds like the kind of job
00:43:00.420 that you would need a background check for. Certainly, well, her background is I'm Charlie's
00:43:06.540 wife. Hear me roar. I'm Charlie's wife. I'm Charlie was qualified. So why am I not qualified?
00:43:12.720 Isn't that how it works?
00:43:13.620 And I just instantly become,
00:43:14.640 my husband's very good at math.
00:43:15.620 I'm not so good at math.
00:43:17.440 But I guess to just say I'm good at math,
00:43:18.920 I guess, or something.
00:43:20.300 Amy Loves Music writes,
00:43:21.160 I know everything that you are saying is true.
00:43:22.780 It's been going on for years.
00:43:23.680 It's hard to trust anything.
00:43:24.800 I love that you are doing what you can
00:43:28.220 to find out the truth for your friend Charlie.
00:43:30.220 I am not sure anything will ever be done.
00:43:31.780 I am saddened by how the world is so corrupt.
00:43:34.700 I'm wondering real estate in general,
00:43:37.020 like, is that just sort of,
00:43:38.940 are we doing illegal things, right?
00:43:42.080 because real estate is how you hide money.
00:43:44.340 It's like, you know, it's pretty traditional.
00:43:45.760 It's a traditional historical understanding.
00:43:48.240 A lot of real estate involved in this story
00:43:51.180 is all I'm saying.
00:43:52.780 And I find, like I said,
00:43:54.780 her floating around Jeffrey Epstein in his orbit
00:43:56.660 to be interesting.
00:43:58.520 Very interesting.
00:43:59.660 Miss Cato writes, I just don't get it.
00:44:00.980 Had I been CK's wife,
00:44:02.160 I would have had Candace Ann Tucker
00:44:03.660 headlining his memorial and making his donors
00:44:05.540 who made him so fearful regret the day
00:44:07.820 that they started threatening him.
00:44:09.560 You would be a normal person, right?
00:44:12.080 You would have that anger. You would have that rage. You'd be like, I don't even want to look
00:44:15.360 at you because of the last thing that you said to Charlie. That's how I felt.
00:44:19.180 Not Erica. No. She was overcome with the spirit of the Lori or something and just was like,
00:44:27.220 I feel the opposite. I want to make amends with his enemies and send my PR person to attack his
00:44:32.180 friends. S. Beth writes, for anyone questioning how fiercely Candace and Charlie fought for each
00:44:37.180 other, watch their Turning Point event in Hawaii. I saw it again recently and nearly cried. Even
00:44:41.020 And now though he's gone, they still stand together in this battle.
00:44:43.740 I have not seen that.
00:44:45.040 I can't even remember the context of what you're speaking about.
00:44:47.400 I obviously remember going to Hawaii with Charlie.
00:44:49.480 It was a great time.
00:44:50.680 I remember we were wearing the Lays.
00:44:53.080 But yeah, I mean, it is a thing.
00:44:56.620 It is a thing.
00:44:57.340 We did always have each other's back.
00:44:58.760 And I think that's partially what drives them crazy is they tried to spin a narrative that
00:45:03.000 they know there's not a shred of proof for.
00:45:04.860 There just isn't a shred of proof for the idea that he was anything but my brother and
00:45:10.020 that we fought a lot of battles together, even when we disagreed on topics, which there were
00:45:14.700 some topics that we did disagree on. And then eventually we sort of met back up in the middle.
00:45:18.860 And let me tell you, we were certainly meeting back up in the middle on the topic of Zionism.
00:45:23.420 Very much so. He was sick of being bullied. He made that clear. I also want to say to you guys,
00:45:29.200 you can support us. There's new merch available on the website. This is my fave. You're going to
00:45:35.940 love this. Daddy's home. Shabbat shalom. We're doing this for Blake. We deeply upset him and
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00:45:57.760 dreidels. I don't know right now. We might start selling dreidels and latkes online.
00:46:05.940 And I have one more comment to hear from Jay Nichols.
00:46:09.860 He writes, Melania used to be by DJT's side all the time.
00:46:13.340 Ever since CK's murder, she's been almost non-existent.
00:46:16.420 What are your thoughts?
00:46:17.400 Love you, girl.
00:46:17.940 I admire your bravery and that you let no one walk all over you with the exception of your kiddos.
00:46:21.740 Actually, ironically, Melania's name came up with this next modeling thing they were speaking about.
00:46:26.460 Because, you know, Melania came from Serbia and she was a model.
00:46:28.540 And she was in circles in their orbit.
00:46:30.880 I don't believe she was not managed by Next Model, but it's a small New York City world.
00:46:34.680 and they actually quite liked Melania
00:46:37.480 and said that people who thought
00:46:39.600 that she aspirationally wanted to be the first lady
00:46:41.480 probably had it very wrong
00:46:43.800 and that she was quite aloof
00:46:44.880 and that they knew she would end up with somebody powerful
00:46:46.800 but that she did not probably aspire to be the first lady.
00:46:51.100 So that's just a bit of feedback.
00:46:53.100 Take from it what you will.
00:46:54.220 I did quite enjoy Melania.
00:46:56.700 I did spend some time with her
00:46:57.980 and I think she's very smart.
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