Candace Owens - Honey, I Shrunk The Footage! More Exclusive TPUSA Shenanigans. ｜ Ep 379

00:00:00.560 All right, you guys, happy Thursday.

00:00:03.140 Last show before we go on a break for a week.

00:00:05.460 I have a lot to say, a lot to share.

00:00:08.360 I'm just over here reflecting on everything

00:00:09.800 that Turning Point USA has put me through

00:00:11.540 in the last 11 months.

00:00:13.180 How completely unacceptable it is.

00:00:14.740 I don't know if it's because I'm getting like fatter,

00:00:16.900 more pregnant.

00:00:18.340 I do get a little bit angrier when I'm growing a boy.

00:00:21.640 But it's just the lies, the attacks,

00:00:23.720 the full-time influencer,

00:00:25.680 the ring of influencers that are going after my family,

00:00:28.580 journalists working with them to insert stories about me, implying that I'm the true assassin of

00:00:35.060 Charlie Kirk. It just can't stand, at least not today. Andrew Colvett, by the way, is lying so

00:00:42.580 badly. He brought on Andrew Wilson, who I debated last Friday, onto their Beavis and Butthead platform,

00:00:49.780 and he tries to smear me. I'm talking about Andrew Colvett, not Andrew Wilson. He tries to smear me

00:00:54.680 as a Hitler lover. And the smear was so bad, him and Blake are like, this is what they do,

00:01:00.240 that Andrew Wilson actually interjects. Yes, the person that I just debated was the one who

00:01:06.220 interjects and is like, okay, to be fair, that's not really what happened. I have to show you that.

00:01:10.160 It's just unbelievable and really demonstrates what this organization has become and how they

00:01:15.700 just regularly engage in smears and in lies. It's just, we'll get into it. But first, the purpose

00:01:22.880 of these lies we know are to distract us from the investigation. They don't want to discuss any of

00:01:28.680 the footage that we've been presenting on the show. They don't want to answer any relevant

00:01:32.120 questions that we've been raising. So that signals to me that we need to stay focused,

00:01:36.920 that they are coming undone, and we need to keep the heat up. Let's do that today.

00:01:41.840 I've got some footage for you. Welcome back to Candace.

00:01:52.880 okay I'm feeling spicy today I'm just gonna launch a hand grenade right at the top I should

00:02:03.740 have been wearing my second favorite shirt but I'm not ready Terrell Farnsworth let's jump right

00:02:08.640 back into this again what I am showing to you is within approximately 10 minutes of Charlie

00:02:16.880 getting hit. And we just showed you that Terrell takes his laptop. It looks very much like he

00:02:25.240 inserts an SD card into it, an SD card that he just happened to take out of a camera.

00:02:32.600 It appears that he is accessing that footage. What I'm going to show you is that he even

00:02:38.700 seemingly consults with Philip Goldsberry. Now, you may remember we mentioned Philip Goldsberry.

00:02:43.940 We did a whole episode. He is the guy who miked Charlie for that final time. And he was working

00:02:51.100 with Terrell Farnsworth, working under Terrell Farnsworth at Visual Impulse. I just want you

00:02:58.680 guys to see this footage. We're going to watch it here. Nice hand grenade. All right. What do

00:03:03.780 we got here? We'll point there. Keep your eye there. Gets up and he shows something on his

00:03:12.600 laptop to Philip Goldsberry. He sits there and he just gets busy on his laptop. Looks like he's

00:03:21.360 putting in actually, looks like he may be putting something else in there, maybe a second SD card.

00:03:26.560 Not exactly sure. I'm just letting you guys watch this so that you can see. We were told by Andrew

00:03:32.600 Colbert that he was worried about people stealing hats. I don't, I'm not getting that sense. Doesn't

00:03:37.380 seem to be a priority. Keep your eyes there so you can see he's just on his laptop. Still on that

00:03:43.680 laptop. Moving those hands. Tip-tapping away. Checking back. Make sure nobody is looking. That

00:03:50.460 is important. Man, if I thought there was a sniper running around, I'd probably maybe go

00:03:56.080 into a car to do this. Some are safer to do this. I'm always amazed that it seems like they knew

00:04:02.900 they were okay. Again, this is within 10 minutes of Charlie going down. You know, yesterday I joined

00:04:14.000 Anna Kasparian on her program for an interview, and she asked a question that is on a lot of

00:04:20.100 people's minds regarding all of this. Take a listen. I don't want it to be lost on our audience,

00:04:25.640 so I want to reiterate. He never provided, and this is based on the testimony that you can hear

00:04:30.740 for yourselves during the preliminary hearing. He never provided the SD card, the original SD card

00:04:38.420 to the investigation. He just provided the Google links and a flash drive, which would

00:04:44.840 indicate that there's a possibility of evidence tampering. No.

00:04:50.840 That's actually a fair question, and it becomes an even more fair question as we demonstrate to

00:04:56.300 but he went onto his laptop. And the truth is, from what I've researched, it could be a legal

00:05:03.340 gray area, but maybe not really. I'll just tell you what I found, okay? Broadly speaking, yes,

00:05:08.060 everything that we saw Terrell do in terms of violating the crime scene, using Charlie's chair

00:05:13.740 to climb up and remove the camera that was behind Charlie's head, and then taking that SD card

00:05:20.120 and inserting it into his pocket,

00:05:23.780 potentially altering it,

00:05:26.540 could indeed register as a very serious legal offense.

00:05:29.960 In the state of Utah,

00:05:31.400 he could be charged with a felony

00:05:33.560 for tampering with evidence, just as he suggests,

00:05:35.680 which is defined under the Utah Code

00:05:38.340 as altering, destroying, concealing,

00:05:42.380 or removing a thing or item

00:05:44.400 with the purpose of impairing its ferocity

00:05:47.460 or availability of the thing.

00:05:50.120 or item in the proceeding or investigation.

00:05:54.740 Now, I want to try to understand that

00:05:56.580 in terms of what we saw.

00:05:57.640 Again, what we are doing here

00:05:58.940 is looking at the evidence of our eyes

00:06:01.140 under the Utah 1102 rule.

00:06:04.040 We're doing what Erica's prosecution did,

00:06:07.100 her prosecution team did at the preliminary hearing,

00:06:09.920 looking at the videos and inferring upon

00:06:11.300 what we believe we see.

00:06:14.280 What is not in dispute is that Terrell did, in fact,

00:06:17.100 remove a physical object from the crime scene.

00:06:20.120 Okay? That's not in dispute. He then immediately goes behind the tent, puts it in his pocket. Would

00:06:25.560 that count as concealing? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. But let us be charitable and accept Andrew

00:06:33.000 Colvett's excuse that his intent, which does actually matter, his intent was not to steal,

00:06:37.600 but rather to protect, because he really was just trying to secure the SD card from the evil people

00:06:45.460 who were stealing hats.

00:06:48.140 But then what he does next, in my opinion,

00:06:51.220 goes beyond that measure, beyond that predicament.

00:06:54.360 Because with the SD card now safe and sound in his pocket,

00:06:59.920 what was his impetus to then take it out

00:07:03.220 and insert it into what I presume

00:07:05.460 to be his personal computer?

00:07:08.820 This, of course, is very crucial, right?

00:07:11.580 Because it would disrupt the chain of evidence.

00:07:14.160 that's a crucial chain, right? Who touched everything as it went along? Because it presents

00:07:19.700 a real opportunity for the files to have been altered. Now, did he zoom into the shot

00:07:27.280 on that camera altogether? Did he take the footage, zoom in, and then take that zoomed

00:07:33.340 in footage and send a Google link over to SBI? We don't know. What we can say for certain is that

00:07:40.860 he had zoomed in by the time he presented it to me nine days later.

00:07:47.880 What we also know, according to the testimony of David Hull, the lead investigator, is just as

00:07:54.200 Anna Kasparian stated, is that he did not hand over that physical object that he took from the

00:08:00.160 crime scene, the SD card, over to the lead investigators who were on the scene, who arrived

00:08:06.520 down the scene around 1.30, I believe he said. Again, that was demonstrated in court, so

00:08:12.640 they received a flash drive, never accounted for SD cards. Now, as for what could be the gray area

00:08:21.800 here, a question that might arise would be surrounding his intent. Again, did Terrell know

00:08:28.660 that it was a crime scene? Well, Terrell himself was the first to suggest that it was. Actually,

00:08:34.700 he declared, you will recall in a selfie video, that Charlie was dead. Specifically, he said,

00:08:40.360 he's dead. Within two minutes, within two minutes approximately of Charlie getting hit,

00:08:46.900 Terrell knew that Charlie was dead. So I would argue on the basis of a selfie video

00:08:53.220 that it would be hard to suggest that he was not aware that it was a crime scene or that a crime

00:09:00.740 had taken place.

00:09:03.140 We're left then with the possibility

00:09:04.600 that Terrell was texting someone

00:09:07.120 who had authority,

00:09:08.500 who told him within three to four minutes

00:09:12.680 to secure the footage.

00:09:14.740 But I struggle to understand

00:09:16.480 who would have had that authority

00:09:18.320 plus Terrell's number to do that so quickly.

00:09:21.400 And I also want to remind you guys

00:09:22.980 that Tyler Boyer a while ago

00:09:24.640 claimed on X that it was police

00:09:26.580 that told Terrell to grab the footage.

00:09:28.000 Remember, he tweeted this

00:09:29.040 when people were asking,

00:09:30.260 hey, why is Terrell tampering,

00:09:32.940 appeared to be tampering with evidence?

00:09:34.100 He replied and he said this,

00:09:35.120 dude did not tamper with anything.

00:09:37.480 Law enforcement officers asked them

00:09:39.320 to turn them over immediately

00:09:41.480 so they didn't get lost in the commotion

00:09:43.020 before they took everyone into lockdown.

00:09:45.900 My message is directly pointed at people like you

00:09:48.940 who are promoting completely made up theories

00:09:50.840 and therefore putting targets on these guys.

00:09:53.420 Knock it off.

00:09:54.320 Now I replied to this on my show at the time

00:09:56.680 because I said that's not what Terrell told me.

00:10:00.260 I asked him explicitly.

00:10:01.640 He never, ever once claimed that that was true.

00:10:04.020 And I also want to say that as our timeline grows tighter,

00:10:07.980 it's hardly possible that law enforcement officers on the scene

00:10:11.940 told him to secure the footage because Terrell's video,

00:10:14.120 which he sent me, recording himself as metadata.

00:10:18.760 And Terrell was filming himself until just after 1226.

00:10:23.520 So Charlie gets hit at 1223.

00:10:25.920 and Terrell is filming himself until 12.26 and 16 milliseconds.

00:10:33.560 It's around almost precisely 12.28 that he begins taking the camera down.

00:10:38.760 That's like a minute and a half for someone on the law enforcement to tell him,

00:10:43.180 hey, could you secure that footage?

00:10:44.840 And I think we can safely rule out Alan Robertson because you have to go,

00:10:48.860 okay, well, what law enforcement officers were around who could have done that?

00:10:51.480 Did he come right up and say, and Alan said, get the footage?

00:10:55.020 We can safely rule out Alan Robertson

00:10:57.260 for having told him to do that

00:10:58.420 because Alan would have no idea who Terrell is.

00:11:03.720 He would have had no idea that it was Terrell's cameras,

00:11:06.340 that it was his setup.

00:11:07.720 In that short timeframe, remember,

00:11:10.000 Alan Robertson, we determined,

00:11:11.860 was just visiting from Utah State University.

00:11:15.260 He was undercover because he was there

00:11:17.260 to check out the protesters ahead of the event.

00:11:19.120 He was upstairs when Charlie went down.

00:11:21.360 He was not speaking to any TPUSA people before this event.

00:11:24.580 He didn't know he was from a hole in the wall.

00:11:26.960 And I was told, and I will say allegedly here,

00:11:30.640 but actually Terrell was told to do the exact opposite.

00:11:33.480 He ignored instructions like, hey, you should not disturb the crime scene.

00:11:37.540 But he may have done so anyway out of nerves.

00:11:40.800 People do make honest mistakes in a crazy situation

00:11:43.140 that they're under pressure, so there's that.

00:11:45.120 But this narrative of the police told him to do that,

00:11:50.140 Terrell himself never made that claim. So what is out of whack here is that has only come from

00:11:55.940 Tyler Boyer. And I explicitly asked him that. I said, why did you do this? Not tell me he spoke

00:12:02.660 with police. The only person you will recall, if you go back on my episode, I don't know if that

00:12:07.640 was in October when we started speaking about this, but Terrell only told me that he spoke

00:12:12.140 with Erica. He did not specifically say when he spoke to Erica. So I want to be clear. I'm not

00:12:17.020 suggesting that she was directing him to take the cameras down. I'm just asserting that factually,

00:12:20.860 the only person that he mentioned to me that he spoke to was Erica. And he also offered that

00:12:25.260 as his excuse and reason for jumping immediately to grab the footage. My understanding

00:12:29.780 was that it was out of his own volition because he did not want Erica to have to see Charlie die

00:12:34.780 in 4K. And then I pushed back and I said, what are you talking about? The whole world

00:12:38.660 saw him die in 4K. Why would this back footage somehow save her from that?

00:12:44.400 And that's why I thought things were weird because everybody was saying something different.

00:12:46.900 You had Tyler saying the police said it. You had Terrell saying that he did it out of his own volition to protect Erica. And you had Andrew Colvett saying to the public that this was because he was fearful that people were going to steal hats. It was suspicious.

00:13:00.000 The most crucial question, however, is whether or not he altered the footage, whether or not he zoomed in on that back footage.

00:13:11.760 What is he showing Philip Goldsberry, by the way?

00:13:15.260 What is there to show Philip Goldsberry approximately 10 minutes after your founder was murdered on your laptop?

00:13:23.260 Was he playing Wordle? Was he showing him his score?

00:13:25.440 these are all fair questions that deserve answers. Because I truly, when I sit down here and I say,

00:13:31.460 let me play devil's advocate. And to be clear, when you play devil's advocate, you are advocating

00:13:35.780 for the devil. But we will do this as a theoretical exercise. What could make sense that he is

00:13:43.360 showing Philip Goldsberry on his laptop within 10 minutes after his founder was killed? He's

00:13:51.120 registered. I knew Charlie was dead right away, okay? So you know that he was just murdered.

00:13:56.380 What's on the laptop? Tell me how. Actually, I want to hear your suggestions. Like, maybe there's

00:14:01.640 something I'm like, hey, no, Candice, like there was this one time that that happened and I was a

00:14:05.160 part of something and I decided to go on my laptop. Minutes. Make it make sense. I truly can't think of

00:14:14.980 anything. Now on to another point. One of the stranger things that has happened throughout

00:14:21.680 the course of me presenting evidence, I feel like the evidence is positive. I don't know if

00:14:25.340 it's a positive or negative evidence, is people keep accusing me of lying. It's just unbelievable.

00:14:30.460 The people that are lying are accusing me of lying as they grow angrier and angrier that they

00:14:36.360 are getting exposed as absolute shills. And, you know, last week we presented and obviously it

00:14:44.360 went viral, an image of the maroon guy, which was presented at court. The influencers were shown

00:14:54.160 this 4K clear footage, and they failed to mention what I would have mentioned if I saw it,

00:15:01.560 which is that this guy looks to be wider, a lot wider than Tyler Robinson. I go online,

00:15:08.920 And I have that unhinged Canadian lawyer claiming that I used AI, claiming that I'm lying, that I'm essentially committing a type of fraud, right, to try to win what's all I want to win is finding out what actually happened on that day.

00:15:26.760 Who killed Charlie Kirk? Were more people involved?

00:15:30.360 And it was nonsense.

00:15:31.740 I mean, influencers came out and said that I was tricked, that somebody who gave me this is lying.

00:15:36.940 And obviously people looked at their eyes and they said, no, the cars are clearly completely squished in the footage that the court showed.

00:15:45.640 It's very obvious that something happened here and it wasn't Candace.

00:15:50.100 Candace looks like she corrected the measure.

00:15:51.860 They're like, oh, well, she used AI to do that.

00:15:53.540 Well, that's not true.

00:15:54.920 And I should, by the way, correct that I got an email informing me that the correct way to describe this, what was done to the footage, is not to say that it was compressed.

00:16:06.280 you should say that the aspect ratio was decreased to make everything look squeezed.

00:16:13.580 It's more technically correct to say the aspect ratio was decreased rather than saying compressed.

00:16:18.980 Okay, we all know no one's ever accused me of being a tech genius, but the point is it was squished, okay?

00:16:24.540 The footage that you saw in court, that I saw in court, was in effect modified.

00:16:31.300 My government source confirmed that.

00:16:32.840 People online, like I said, accused me of AI.

00:16:34.820 so I don't know I'm feeling like we should show you the footage now in video form so you can see

00:16:43.720 that I did not do that and they lied as always take a look at this there you go and we will show

00:16:57.840 you this in slow motion so that there is no confusion that we did not edit anything um here

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00:17:34.180 Okay. I'm waiting for everybody now to move on to the next lie that you're going to tell. I can't even believe this. It's just it's so crazy to me that they need this to be Tyler Robinson. And they are not open to examining this case, which has so many flaws in it. And it really does seem like they're trying to just pin it on this guy.

00:17:58.680 Now, there are a few things that I want to say because many people assumed, and even myself in some ways, even though I didn't express it, that the court was behind this, that the court somehow edited the footage.

00:18:08.740 But actually, I received an email from someone who would know clarifying that it is highly, highly, highly, highly, highly unlikely that it was the court that did this.

00:18:17.640 They wrote, I am a blank that works in a federal court.

00:18:21.700 Please do not mention my name or identity in any way.

00:18:24.800 But I can tell you categorically that in every federal court that I have worked in, a video and photo evidence is never altered in any way, as it would be considered prejudiced to present it to the jury if it has been modified in any way.

00:18:37.780 I just wanted to let you know this. Best of luck with your continued investigation.

00:18:41.300 So after receiving that, I went back through the preliminary hearing and was trying to establish this chain of custody and actually realized that we were told, we were informed of the chain of custody from Agent David Hull, the lead investigator on the case, who did not receive the SD cards.

00:18:59.500 He told us that on that very first day on September 10th, Sergeant Mark Bricker of the

00:19:06.020 SVI was put in charge of gathering all of the surveillance on campus at UVU.

00:19:12.240 And when he later on addressed right before they presented the 20-minute sizzle reel,

00:19:19.220 which has the adjusted aspect ratio, he testified that it was the Utah County's attorney's

00:19:26.280 office that created it.

00:19:27.660 So when we saw that 20 minutes, that was put together by the Utah County's attorney's office.

00:19:36.000 Take a listen to him saying that.

00:19:37.940 And I asked you this question yesterday, but did you prepare that video compilation?

00:19:41.800 I did not.

00:19:42.480 OK, do you know who did?

00:19:44.260 The Utah County attorney's office.

00:19:48.660 OK, so for clarity, the prosecution, the prosecution, the side that is representing Erica Kirk presented that.

00:19:56.720 it potentially it was them that decreased the aspect ratio. Maybe it was the SBI that remains

00:20:03.620 open that decreased the aspect ratio, but somebody did. And the question is, who did it and why did

00:20:11.160 they do it? And the only answer I can come up with is because they wanted people to believe

00:20:16.040 that the person that was walking was skinnier than they were. And the only thing come up with

00:20:22.340 as to why they would want that to be the case

00:20:24.360 is because they are hell-bent on presenting an argument

00:20:28.540 that makes people think that Tyler Robinson acted alone

00:20:31.760 and murdered Charlie Kirk on the rooftop.

00:20:35.740 That has been the narrative from beginning to end.

00:20:38.460 They will not pivot from it.

00:20:39.280 They will not consider new facts.

00:20:40.460 They will not address any of the evidence I am bringing up.

00:20:42.520 They will just routinely dismiss it

00:20:44.980 and say that all I have are vibes and dreams

00:20:48.700 and Candace never has any real evidence.

00:20:50.520 The talking points are just growing increasingly absurd because I can't imagine how much more evidence we could present.

00:20:56.200 I could actually. I could imagine it because we're going to do it.

00:20:59.400 But I wanted to show you that just to shut down another lie and to tell you that you were completely justified in still believing in your own eyes and ignoring the final instruction from these people who want to tell you what you are seeing when it is not, in fact, what you are seeing.

00:21:16.580 did tyler robinson do this prove it that's on you it's on you to convince us and to not

00:21:25.020 use tricks like modifying or altering footage um potentially terrell we'd love to know what

00:21:33.540 happened here if if he did do that if he did zoom in the answer is the question becomes why did he

00:21:38.600 do that and i will say this i tend to agree that it is because as nissi demonstrated on youtube

00:21:44.400 Again, this is my opinion. It showed what happened below. I think that if there was an impetus to zoom in on that footage, it would be because you did not want it to show the traditional shot of what was happening at Charlie's feet.

00:22:02.720 Anyway, that's my opinion.

00:22:04.060 I'm sticking to it.

00:22:05.200 We'll be right back to address Andrew Colbert,

00:22:08.520 who is just off the chains right now.

00:22:12.140 And there's so many lies told.

00:22:14.100 Like I said, even Andrew Wilson had to put an end

00:22:17.880 to one of the smears that he was trying to spin

00:22:20.140 on the Beavis and Butthead show this morning.

00:22:22.980 We'll be right back after a break.

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00:24:35.040 All right, you guys,

00:24:35.900 today on the Beavis and Butthead show,

00:24:37.660 so fitting for Andrew Colvett and Blake Neff.

00:24:41.280 They were joined by Andrew Wilson.

00:24:42.740 That is not their horse.

00:24:44.000 I know what you're thinking.

00:24:45.560 It really seems like Turning Point USA

00:24:47.140 has something to do with this guy.

00:24:48.020 No, they made it very clear they don't.

00:24:50.120 He just went in there and came out

00:24:52.420 and suddenly really wanted to go hard at CANDICE OWENS.

00:24:54.840 Anyway, it starts, obviously, the conversation with just an exceptional coping session.

00:25:01.580 What I love about Andrew Colbert, just saying something nice about him, is he is completely

00:25:06.820 unaware of himself in a way that is, I don't know, you have to envy it.

00:25:12.280 He's so unaware of himself.

00:25:13.660 He thinks that he can just say words.

00:25:15.060 And he's also a very bad liar.

00:25:17.240 He's going to establish all of that in this conversation.

00:25:20.720 He can't remember things that he said last week.

00:25:23.120 Obviously, he doesn't have a timeline.

00:25:24.840 he should have a timeline because then he wouldn't make these sorts of mistakes but let's just start

00:25:28.340 with andrew's cope of him basically trying to suggest that i won the argument but not really

00:25:36.000 because it's going to age in the future and then i'm going to lose the argument maybe this is what

00:25:42.020 he had to say i predicted that this this debate that you were going to win it because the truth

00:25:47.920 is on your side right and as somebody who's lived this firsthand i i know all the garbage when they

00:25:54.160 when they continually drone on about this stuff and how many lies are continually laced in and

00:25:59.600 just repeated ad nauseum so that the internet begins to believe them. So I knew that, but I

00:26:04.060 knew also that she has a bigger following, bigger followers on YouTube, whatever. So I knew that

00:26:10.460 immediately there was going to be this rush to say who won, who, who won. And, but I predicted

00:26:14.720 this, I said, this will age really well, because what I was watching is that she conceded the whole

00:26:21.940 debate very early on multiple times at every different point in juncture she kept conceding

00:26:27.480 the point walking things back and that as the commentary it kind of comes in that has you know

00:26:33.300 an iq above room temperature and pointed that out for people that it was going to then be this kind

00:26:38.920 of finishing effect after the debate is that what you have seen andrew it is not wine okay debates

00:26:49.300 don't age. You don't keep them in a cellar at a consistent temperature and tell people to open it

00:26:54.080 up in a few years and it'll sound better. He just lost. And that's okay, by the way. That is

00:27:00.800 actually totally fine. That happens sometimes. It could happen to me in the future. And what's

00:27:05.060 really funny about hearing this sort of a cope is that, as you guys know, Charlie trained me in

00:27:09.840 debating. And one of the things that he always said was, if you lose a debate, own it. Own it.

00:27:16.020 The Internet will forget if you have a bad moment.

00:27:19.360 They will not forget if you try to gaslight them and pretend it didn't happen.

00:27:22.660 And so you're supposed to just come right out and be like, look, was it my best day?

00:27:26.640 Definitely realized that I could have delivered this better or that better.

00:27:29.720 And like, you know, I actually somebody who did this and the Internet kind of a little bit forgot about it was when Ben Shapiro did BBC.

00:27:39.400 and he got completely crushed in a debate,

00:27:43.220 kind of got bratty and said I'm famous or something

00:27:46.340 and wanted to end the conversation.

00:27:48.420 He did end the conversation, so he sort of stormed off

00:27:50.500 and it went completely viral.

00:27:52.520 But he went onto his platform and he said,

00:27:55.400 yep, I own that.

00:27:56.460 I was not prepared.

00:27:57.740 Here's what I did wrong.

00:27:58.760 And that is so much more preferable to audiences

00:28:02.660 because they're not being gaslit.

00:28:04.700 It's like, obviously, he was terrible.

00:28:07.260 Just own it.

00:28:07.900 And people will forgive and forget, but obviously they are not carrying on the torch for Charlie whatsoever.

00:28:13.820 Anyway, I want you to hear how Andrew Wilson responded.

00:28:17.120 Oh, 100%.

00:28:18.320 So essentially what happened here was really interesting.

00:28:24.580 The Baron Coleman's of the world and the sort of law tube picked all of this up and just started tearing her position to pieces immediately.

00:28:33.360 and the commentators in the debate sphere are just they're making a mockery of her they think

00:28:38.860 that she's a lunatic has no idea what she's talking about and then on the flip side to that

00:28:43.660 too you even have main street coverage and even on the main street coverage um it's the same thing

00:28:49.440 they're like well where's any of the evidence for any of these supposed claims and we never got to

00:28:54.660 any so not only will it age well but what what i thought that it would do more than anything else

00:29:01.040 to be as candid as possible.

00:29:03.920 I thought that it would up the pressure

00:29:06.080 of people questioning the questioners.

00:29:08.680 And I've seen a lot of that now moving on social media

00:29:11.380 of people saying, hey, wait a second,

00:29:13.520 where is the actual evidence?

00:29:15.000 I got hundreds of DMs, for instance,

00:29:16.580 from people who didn't know that the steakhouse receipt

00:29:18.920 was a complete phony fraud,

00:29:20.740 that the whole thing is a fraud.

00:29:22.400 Well, can I just say something?

00:29:23.480 They had no idea that that was the case.

00:29:24.460 Can I just say something?

00:29:25.280 So we have Andrea Burkhart.

00:29:26.500 She's going to join us on the show tomorrow.

00:29:28.620 She is apolitical as it comes.

00:29:30.420 Like she is not like on a side at all.

00:29:33.060 And I asked her, I said, if they had exculpatory evidence, whether it's the parents that actually, you know, think he's innocent or they have some steakhouse receipt, would they not present that at the preliminary hearing?

00:29:46.740 And she was like, absolutely, they would.

00:29:49.260 No lawyer, if they have exculpatory evidence that proves the timelines wrong, that proves the parents don't actually think it, would not use that evidence because those lawyers are then basically binding their client over for three years in prison for something that he didn't actually do.

00:30:05.600 They absolutely would have presented that evidence at preliminary hearing.

00:30:09.480 OK. I still do not understand why they keep trying to imagine that this penguin steakhouse cowboy steakhouse thing is fake and is a fraud. It's just not. I don't know how many times I can say this. I guess I'm going to basically say to them what I said to Andrew face to face is you can keep saying this. You're going to eventually embarrass yourself.

00:30:29.320 as I said, they got in touch with the FBI. The FBI is aware of this. The FBI took a statement

00:30:35.140 from the owner. I spoke to the who is doing the fraud, I guess, is the question. Who's doing the

00:30:39.400 fraud? Is the fraud in the room with us right now, guys? Like, I know that this completely blows up

00:30:44.180 everything. And that's why you guys are trying to convince the public that this is a this didn't

00:30:49.280 happen. But I spoke to the owner. The server has been has given an interview. There is a receipt.

00:30:58.960 If you're trying to wonder why they didn't present this exculpatory evidence, maybe you should try paying attention to the hearings because back during the one in April, they kept saying that they did not get granted discovery, that they had so many things that they needed to go through and that they wanted to take that time to the reason why they were asking for an extension on that preliminary hearing was because they had so many things to go through and they were not receiving their discovery requests, which could have potentially included exculpatory evidence.

00:31:27.080 this was found, this panguage thing was actually found by podcasters. Podcasters who were

00:31:34.420 investigating stumbled upon this. And like I said, the FBI was contacted. There is a report made.

00:31:39.640 It happened. I'm so sorry, you guys, but it happened. Now, is it possible if they weren't

00:31:45.460 being absurd, they would just say, OK, yeah, I hear you. But Candace, is it possible that the

00:31:50.580 server just misidentified him? And then I'd say, yeah, of course, there's always a possibility

00:31:56.300 that people truly believe that they see someone a la Mitch Snow. We did the Fort Huachuca thing.

00:32:02.800 We can verify that this person was at the restaurant. We can verify that they called

00:32:07.960 the FBI. We can verify that the owner pulled the receipt. We can verify what the person ate,

00:32:12.360 that there is a receipt and that it was paid for on a debit card. Asking me to go to the Visa

00:32:16.120 merchant is absurd and insane. But it happened. I don't know what else to say to you. Like,

00:32:23.920 okay we're just going to keep following that but that receipt is going to become critical and it

00:32:29.200 could in fact prove to be exculpatory so stay tuned the next bit of what takes place on this

00:32:35.560 show is a like a whole fake bit of transparency where essentially Andrew Colvett pretends that

00:32:41.500 he's going to allow Andrew Wilson to ask them anything like we're oh we're going to do what

00:32:45.140 Candace wouldn't do you can just ask us anything okay so we're hoping that he's going to start

00:32:49.800 asking him relevant things about the case the many holes the way that they're behaving

00:32:53.260 some of the evidence that I've presented on the show, some of the videos that I have presented,

00:32:57.540 asking him about potentially other players. No. All this means is, please give me an opportunity

00:33:03.480 to trash Candace. And he does this amazing thing. Andrew Colvett, right out the gate,

00:33:10.300 tries to smear me as a Hitler lover. And it's so offensively dishonest that it's even too much for

00:33:17.300 Andrew Wilson. He actually fact checks. First, you got Blake. You're going to see him laugh.

00:33:21.820 she loves Hitler and then just watch Blake's face transform as he realizes that Andrew Wilson's

00:33:28.700 not going to let them get away with that. And he's like, I feel like kind of taking that way

00:33:31.900 out of context. Take a listen. It's brilliant. Then she had that event where she basically said

00:33:37.520 Hitler was great if he just would have stayed, you know, in Germany, stayed in Germany, which,

00:33:44.680 you know, there's a lot of problems to be to be fair and charitable here. Right. Just to be as

00:33:50.020 as, uh, unbiased as possible. I went, I did go back and review that clip, uh, as that seemed

00:33:56.620 like it was the turning point for turning point was that actual clip. Uh, it didn't, it seemed to

00:34:03.260 me that, um, she wasn't actually trying to make any sort of like apologetics for Hitler, but rather

00:34:11.400 she was trying to make a comparison to nationalism and saying that as a nationalist, she thought he

00:34:16.860 did a good job um and that was and then you know she basically just kind of misspoke and buried

00:34:22.300 herself with that uh that particular lead but obviously it became a massive pr nightmare

00:34:28.160 for turning point right that's that's how that ended up playing out well i think it's one of

00:34:32.500 those statements where you can defend it and then you know in isolation and then events afterwards

00:34:39.680 i think lend greater greater clarity to it yeah it was part of a whole yeah like the defense you

00:34:44.040 could make is, oh, she just meant, oh, he wanted Germany's economy to grow. He wanted to undo

00:34:48.980 Versailles. She didn't mean the weird, you know, kill all the Jews, except then 2023, 2024, she

00:34:57.360 actually becomes obsessed with the Jews all the time. Yeah. I would say it was part of a whole

00:35:02.320 though, to your point. Yeah. You could, if that was a one-off, you probably could have defended

00:35:05.480 it. But then we had a bunch of chapters that were really up in arms about it. And then you had this,

00:35:10.180 I think it was a Christchurch shooter in New Zealand that like said she was this guy was inspired by Candace.

00:35:16.340 It was like a whole bunch of stuff.

00:35:18.880 Just absolutely mortifying that Andrew Wilson actually watched the clip.

00:35:23.940 We weren't talking about Jews at all and we were talking about the topic of nationalism.

00:35:27.100 And I was asked a question specifically like Candace, when you say that you're a nationalist, some people might attribute that to Adolf Hitler.

00:35:34.820 And I said, well, it's not attributable to Adolf Hitler because Adolf Hitler, if he had just wanted to stay in Germany and make Germany great, we wouldn't have an issue with that. No one would have an issue in that. But he didn't just want to do that. He had ambitions outside of Germany. That's what I said. And they took that. And Blake, it is just a little sneering. We're going to try to lie, to try to make it seem as though I support Adolf Hitler.

00:36:00.780 That is why Turning Point USA is trash.

00:36:04.400 They are trash for that.

00:36:06.100 There was no confusion.

00:36:07.100 It was just an attempt to smear me.

00:36:09.040 And it was a bridge too far for Andrew Wilson, who said, OK, but like I watched that clip

00:36:13.180 and that's not what was happening.

00:36:15.020 Then they obviously move on.

00:36:17.380 And by the way, he says, oh, well, then later on, she gets obsessed with Jews.

00:36:20.760 First off, he's talking about a gap of 2018 when I was speaking about nationalism on stage

00:36:26.400 with Charlie, by the way.

00:36:28.120 They're leaving that part out as well.

00:36:29.200 I was with Charlie and journalists were in the room and nobody had a problem with it at all.

00:36:33.740 And then BuzzFeed pulls the clip months later.

00:36:36.900 And then he fast forwards and says, oh, but, you know, in 2024, later on, there was an issue where Candace said, you know, genocide is always wrong.

00:36:45.320 And that's when things are getting she's obsessed with not killing children in Israel.

00:36:50.080 That's what he really means.

00:36:51.220 So then they move on and they try to reassert this idea that Charlie and I were not friends.

00:36:56.400 And this is always my favorite one because Andrew is so accidentally stupid that he doesn't realize that he debunks himself in just like one sweeping statement.

00:37:07.880 He's going to try to make fun and then he's going to debunk it.

00:37:11.360 So listen to what Blake says and what Andrew says.

00:37:15.340 And I'm going to then allow you to listen to what Charlie said.

00:37:19.400 Take a listen.

00:37:19.800 And so I'd like to start by going all the way back, and maybe you can tell us actually what the relationship was between Candace Owens and Charlie Kirk.

00:37:27.740 What actually was it?

00:37:29.220 Yeah, I'd like to go first there, even though you have far more to say, Andrew, because I can just speak from my perspective as someone who arrived late 22, moved out here in 23, that I have never met Candace Owens and don't know her.

00:37:44.020 Thank you.

00:37:45.000 Maybe I saw her in person once at a distance.

00:37:47.460 Probably not.

00:37:47.900 Maybe I shook her hand.

00:37:48.280 I've never had a conversation with her to my knowledge

00:37:51.020 and I think that speaks to something

00:37:52.400 because I was with Charlie for close to three years

00:37:54.860 and I feel like I met

00:37:57.280 most of the people Charlie was super close with

00:37:59.460 I met donors

00:38:00.660 I met his family members

00:38:01.940 I met his team

00:38:03.080 I met a lot

00:38:04.100 and I don't know Candace

00:38:05.740 so I like to use that as a preface

00:38:07.840 but you have more that you can say about that

00:38:10.000 yeah and Blake you have that great video

00:38:11.740 that every replays of you

00:38:14.420 reacting to Candace

00:38:16.460 you're, uh, you're, Oh yeah. Where I'm kind of like raising my eyebrow.

00:38:19.480 It's fair to say Blake was early on the, uh, on the being suspicious, uh, train. Um,

00:38:25.920 yeah, if you go back far enough, I mean, that's why, I mean, I put out that tweet basically

00:38:30.980 saying, you know, Candace, your central foundational lie is that you and Charlie were

00:38:34.820 friends. You were not friends, right? And show me something from recent, you know, the end of

00:38:39.800 Charlie's life, the last 12 months or whatever. I think she's, she, uh, and then I said 18 months,

00:38:44.260 24 months. I think she showed something at 22 months. And so I got community noted, right?

00:38:49.220 Okay, whatever. What I can tell you is that I think Charlie and Candace were friends back in

00:38:55.800 2018, part of 2019. That did not end well at all, actually.

00:39:03.680 So weird, because if it didn't end well at all, it's a question because why were Charlie and

00:39:07.540 Erica at my wedding at the end of 2019? And what's funny is he mentions this clip of Blake

00:39:13.020 at the beginning of it, but that clip that he's referring to is Charlie discussing our friendship

00:39:18.680 in November of 2023. So he's trying to say we haven't been friends since 2018, but he references

00:39:24.720 this clip of Charlie and Blake looking unhappy about it because Blake didn't know Charlie. Blake

00:39:29.760 didn't know who Charlie's friends were. As he admits, he's like, I didn't meet Candace because

00:39:33.860 I got married and had children and lived on the other side of the country. That's just how it

00:39:37.420 works. My best friends I see about once or twice a year because we've moved, friends that live in

00:39:44.640 Florida, people that live in Connecticut. That's just the way life works when you get married and

00:39:48.320 start having kids. The donors are not his friends, Blake. I know you guys love money, but when he

00:39:52.920 says, I've met his friends, I mean, I know the donors, you're just a work colleague. So you see

00:39:58.200 him every day at work. You don't know Charlie. You guys are not his friends. And this clip is

00:40:03.620 what he is referring to as he then moves on and says that we weren't friends since 2018. He keeps

00:40:10.080 going backwards. It's like he keeps going a year back. Listen to Charlie in his own words in

00:40:14.560 November of 2023. I mean, Candace, she's on our team. She's the best, right? I mean, we're on

00:40:23.340 team Candace. And I'm also, you know, I'm on team Freedom Center too. But, you know, I got a text

00:40:28.760 message from some lunatic. Charlie, why do you have her still speaking at AmFest? I said, lose my

00:40:32.540 number i said lose my number wow i said you obviously haven't been through the charlie

00:40:37.920 tyler remembers the charlie candace thing i mean from i i i don't know you were married

00:40:45.520 they thought you remember charlie they were like are they buried remember oh it was it was like

00:40:52.980 by the way it was this unsubstantiated internet rumor yeah that's not true not true but it's not

00:41:00.160 true. Okay. I'm remembering

00:41:02.140 some choice memes that I definitely

00:41:04.140 don't have saved on my backup hard

00:41:06.180 drives. I disagree with Jack. Can I

00:41:08.020 take a moment to talk to Jack?

00:41:10.240 I disagree with Jack.

00:41:12.260 She's not higher than him on

00:41:14.180 the graphic because her name's shorter.

00:41:16.440 She's higher than him on the graphic

00:41:18.000 because he's a white male.

00:41:19.960 Wow. Wow. Racism.

00:41:22.320 Racism. I mean, we have to. You know what?

00:41:24.240 Maybe Tyler is all right. Blake was

00:41:26.180 the one that. Maybe Tyler is all right after all.

00:41:28.060 Okay.

00:41:30.780 So they want you to think that Charlie just is lying there.

00:41:34.000 He's reminiscing and he's lying.

00:41:36.160 And that actually, we're team Candace, lose my number, he says, to someone who wasn't his friend.

00:41:41.740 I mean, it's just such an absurdity that they have to do this.

00:41:44.840 And I have presented evidence every year, every year from 2018.

00:41:48.380 They keep sticking to this 2018 timeline because after Charlie passed, I showed people text messages of Charlie predicting his own death in 2018.

00:41:56.780 because that is relevant that in 2018,

00:41:59.400 Charlie foresaw that he was going to die young

00:42:01.940 and that I was going to carry on the torch,

00:42:05.100 saying, be my David.

00:42:06.420 I don't think I'm going to live this thing through.

00:42:07.940 When I signed down the dotted line with Turning Point USA,

00:42:10.120 from the moment that I signed down the line

00:42:11.920 with Turning Point USA,

00:42:13.840 he started having visions of his own death.

00:42:15.240 That is the reason that they started

00:42:16.860 this ridiculous narrative

00:42:17.880 that I didn't speak to Charlie since 2018.

00:42:19.680 It's such a nonsense, and it's so easily debunked.

00:42:23.540 We've debunked it so many times on this show,

00:42:25.520 and yet they still are trying to push it

00:42:28.700 because they have nothing left.

00:42:30.460 They cannot respond to anything

00:42:31.940 and they are trying to rewrite Charlie's history.

00:42:35.280 Charlie and I were very close.

00:42:36.860 We were like brother and sister.

00:42:37.960 And yes, we spent so much time together

00:42:39.900 when we were obviously both single.

00:42:42.500 And once you become a parent and get married,

00:42:45.140 your relationship has to change, your priority.

00:42:48.500 And also you have to have respect for his wife,

00:42:51.480 which I did.

00:42:52.420 He was married and he has to respect for my husband, George,

00:42:55.060 became close to Charlie.

00:42:56.820 The whole year of our engagement,

00:42:58.460 we traveled around with Charlie

00:42:59.780 and we have so many memories.

00:43:00.980 He has so many messages with Charlie.

00:43:03.440 And so, I don't know, it just makes me laugh

00:43:05.520 that they think that they could do this.

00:43:06.960 It's just not gonna be possible.

00:43:08.380 We just spent such good, great time together.

00:43:10.600 And whenever we think about it,

00:43:11.900 you see it on me as well.

00:43:13.760 I just reflect on it with just so much happiness.

00:43:17.440 And I'm happy that I've gotten back to that,

00:43:19.300 where that anger that I felt

00:43:21.500 and the grief that I felt

00:43:22.640 is now moving into acceptance.

00:43:24.460 like I keep telling you where I'm able to just revisit everything and just be so grateful for

00:43:28.460 the time that I had with Charlie and how staunchly we always offended each other whenever we were

00:43:32.700 going through anything. And then, of course, in the very next breath, which I'm not going to show

00:43:36.120 you, he then says, oh, she had he totally had her back when she got fired from The Daily Wire.

00:43:41.740 Yeah, Andrew, that's now now your timeline is pushed up to 2024. I was fired in March of 2024.

00:43:48.280 So how long are you trying to say that we weren't friends for? It's just such a nonsense. Truly,

00:43:53.580 let it go. Blake, nobody knows who you are. Neither did Charlie. Okay. You started working

00:43:58.000 for him in 2023. You're not laughing because you don't know anything. Tyler's laughing because he

00:44:02.880 does. And it is, like I said, it was like a coming of age together and a real relationship was forged

00:44:09.080 and you just don't have the power to wipe that away. I'm sorry, Andrew. You can't even put your

00:44:14.340 timeline together. Get a timeline. My timeline is so good. Anyway, this part was the most

00:44:20.320 incredible to me of like when he asks him, doesn't say positive evidence, but he asks him for an

00:44:25.360 example of, you know, why, why I left Turning Point USA. And he says I was difficult to work

00:44:32.020 with. And here's what Andrew Colbert explains happened one time. Could you give more details

00:44:37.540 there? Even I would like to hear that. Like what caused her to depart, if we can say? Well, I mean,

00:44:42.260 here there, there's two things really. And part of it is you got to give credit where it's due.

00:44:46.500 she was a rising star she was growing really fast you know charlie famously sort of offered her a

00:44:52.160 job what did you sorry if i missed something that you said andrew okay oh you're good yeah so she

00:44:58.800 was you know charlie offered her a job uh basically right on meeting her kind of saw that she was uh

00:45:05.320 somebody that could help turning point help the movement in his opinion and then they they you

00:45:10.400 know she explodes onto the scene you know kanye had that tweet uh where it's like i like the way

00:45:15.620 candace owens thinks and it was it was kind of like a rocket ship right um and then they had

00:45:20.440 but but she became more and more difficult to work with uh more and more issues with the team

00:45:25.380 uh and then she had that moment when you say when you say difficult to work with what do you mean

00:45:30.660 i think you know she was very aware of her rising star power um and so she started exerting more

00:45:37.600 uh demands on timing on where she could be deployed uh what schools it and so she was

00:45:44.180 becoming like a prima donna you could use that's what i've i've definitely heard complaints from

00:45:48.660 people who have worked with yeah and that that continued on after when we started working with

00:45:52.440 her uh later on just you know i think she canceled an event with us and our event team still tells

00:45:59.440 this story you know like the day before and we had to scramble to get it replaced because you know

00:46:05.760 she ended up in like france with kanye or something the next day i just want to address

00:46:10.960 that because again, he's such a slime ball. That is the only time that I canceled an event with

00:46:16.840 Turning Point USA. So he's telling the truth. By the way, that's 2022, late 2022. I thought me and

00:46:22.240 Charlie were not supposed to be friends. Everyone remembers the moment that I went to France and I

00:46:26.420 wore the White Lives Matter t-shirt. Obviously, it was not a planned trip whatsoever. I had no

00:46:31.260 idea that Kanye was going to call me and he was going to invite me. And because of our friendship,

00:46:35.820 Charlie knew how much Kanye meant to me.

00:46:38.300 And this moment, the fact that we had built Turning Point USA, this machine, I had just

00:46:44.180 also released a documentary on Black Lives Matter.

00:46:46.300 I had stumped so many college campuses for Turning Point USA, raising money with this

00:46:50.960 vision of waking Black people up to the Democratic Party and some of the lies, you know, this

00:46:56.640 constantly being sold as a victim.

00:46:59.160 So Charlie was there for that entire journey.

00:47:01.300 Like Charlie and me, Kanye, obviously, like he says, is the reason that Turning Point USA was put on the map.

00:47:09.180 I love the way Candace Owens thinks.

00:47:10.320 And then it was an absolute rocket ship for both of us, for me and for Charlie.

00:47:14.320 And so when I called Charlie and I was like, I just got invited.

00:47:18.020 And he knew how much Kanye meant to me and my life and my growth and giving me the strength.

00:47:23.940 His music, I would constantly run to it.

00:47:25.800 Charlie was running to it every single day.

00:47:27.460 and he knew that I had a moment to make all this come together and go to France. I called him and

00:47:32.480 I said, Charlie, like it was the only thing on my calendar. I had Turning Point USA event. I was

00:47:36.300 like, I will literally give anything to be able to go on this event. Like he was like, of course

00:47:40.680 you have to go. It was actually a demonstration of our unique friendship. Of course you have to

00:47:47.500 go. Please just get me a substitute for who like who can speak for you. I then called Michael

00:47:52.680 Knowles and asked him if he would sub for me. And I was unbelievably apologetic to the team.

00:47:59.700 I had never, ever, ever in our entire working relationship, had I ever canceled an event.

00:48:06.100 And Andrew brings this up as if this proves that I was a diva. No, it proved that Charlie really

00:48:12.760 knew how much something meant to me. And we made it work. And it was atypical. And it was one time.

00:48:18.140 And it was in late 2022.

00:48:20.760 So I just wanted to answer for that because I couldn't believe he tried to repackage that

00:48:24.600 as if like I was some diva and was like, peace to the team.

00:48:27.860 I'm just going to France to go shop and not that I had asked Charlie for permission to

00:48:33.720 do that.

00:48:34.240 And he was just so gracious and amazing and supportive as he always was.

00:48:39.180 And yeah, so if the event team is still talking about that, I tell him to get over it.

00:48:43.160 I mean, it's just so ridiculous.

00:48:44.100 This is still the worst thing I've ever lived through.

00:48:46.260 Like, calm down.

00:48:47.020 anyway um i do also want to show you this um clip which they're trying to push which is

00:48:53.760 candace told me she was gonna burn turning point usa to the ground all right andrew let us hear

00:48:59.940 what you have to say but i remember one conversation it was probably like five or six days after and i

00:49:06.220 remember i had flown to dc we had jd vance uh hosted charlie's show on that monday after so

00:49:13.760 Charlie was killed on a Wednesday, and then JD hosted the show on the Monday.

00:49:18.920 So I remember I flew back, landed in the airport,

00:49:20.680 and I believe I was talking to Candace,

00:49:22.560 and she said something that I've not publicly communicated yet,

00:49:26.680 but basically it was that if the wrong people take over the organization,

00:49:32.300 and she said this, I'll never forget it.

00:49:34.760 She says, I will burn down that organization, I swear to God.

00:49:38.780 And you mean turning point?

00:49:39.820 Turning point.

00:49:40.560 If the wrong people, and I just assumed because she was very,

00:49:43.360 obviously anti-Jewish. There were rumors at this time

00:49:45.340 like there was chatter online. It was just five days, six days

00:49:47.440 after whatever it was. She said

00:49:49.400 I'm going to burn down that organization I swear to God

00:49:51.320 and I just thought she meant if the Jews

00:49:53.460 take over or something like this. Ben Shapiro, let's just say

00:49:55.440 the name. People were throwing out because Ben Shapiro

00:49:57.420 had appeared on the show. Some people ran with like

00:49:59.420 Ben Shapiro has now taken over

00:50:01.140 I don't know if he had appeared on that. I think

00:50:03.340 he was actually going to show up the next day on the Tuesday

00:50:05.420 because

00:50:05.620 Yeah Blake, you have no idea what you're talking about. Actually

00:50:09.260 if you go back and watch my show

00:50:10.780 So I said early on, and now I have a different opinion, I said, I think people that all think

00:50:15.340 that Ben Shapiro, because he said pick up the bloody mic, wants to take over Turning Point

00:50:19.320 USA, I said, I think that that's just wrong. I'm on record saying that. So you can't just

00:50:22.680 make stuff up, Blake, and pretend that I was taking the bait about Ben Shapiro.

00:50:27.100 What I was actually taking the bait on was the conversations that I was having with Andrew

00:50:31.780 Colbett on the phone. I was speaking to Andrew Colbett on the phone every single day, and it

00:50:35.400 was Andrew Colbett who was telling me, and we were speaking about a potential foreign angle

00:50:39.860 in Charlie's assassination, okay?

00:50:42.280 I can show you text messages to that effect.

00:50:44.260 I can actually show you this call log

00:50:45.460 if you can pull it up.

00:50:46.200 He's talking about literally on August 14th

00:50:48.700 after he and I had been speaking.

00:50:51.000 It was just, you have the exact date, Andrew,

00:50:52.900 in case you want to make a timeline,

00:50:53.840 September 14th, 2025,

00:50:55.520 was when you and I spoke for 17 minutes.

00:50:58.420 On the 13th, on the 12th,

00:51:00.380 you were the one that was telling me

00:51:01.980 about the Bill Ackman summit.

00:51:04.320 You were the one that was telling me

00:51:05.260 about BBNet and Yahoo's letter

00:51:07.300 and telling me that Mikey McCoy

00:51:09.800 had this letter on Charlie's laptop, and you told me basically that Charlie in this letter

00:51:15.700 said that he was kind of pulling away from the Israel cause. We talked about that extensively.

00:51:22.340 You were the one that told me about the text messages. Notice I'm saying plural text messages

00:51:26.460 to Dan Flood and to yourself the night before that Charlie thought that he was going to be killed,

00:51:31.640 and you never, ever, ever once said, and when I spoke to other people who confirmed this,

00:51:36.860 that it was the left. In fact, I specifically asked you, who is they? And you said, I don't

00:51:42.520 know. You were the one who told me about that chat that Charlie saying I'm abandoning the

00:51:48.300 pro-Israel cause. So don't make it seem like you it's weird that I was thinking about Israel in

00:51:52.980 those days. And then Bibi Netanyahu goes on and says, I didn't kill him as you are feeding me

00:51:58.560 this information that I would not have had otherwise about how Charlie declined to have

00:52:02.640 Bibi Netanyahu on his show, and he was growing increasingly more agitated with Israeli involvement

00:52:08.260 and willing to walk away from this. And I can even show a text message that I sent to you,

00:52:14.220 and then we talked on the phone because you're a PR agent, so whenever I would text, you would call.

00:52:18.800 Smart way to do this. But where I even said to you, after Bibi went on and held up the letter,

00:52:26.280 I messaged you because you were the one that told me about the letter and said this.

00:52:30.540 like this, this was our conversation. I can't sleep, just destroyed September 11th. This is

00:52:38.740 all September 11th, but you were on a plane. So it was coming in weird. You wrote same in and out

00:52:43.060 of sleep. And I'm up again. I said, who did this? This was a government hit. We need answers. And

00:52:48.040 then you can see on September 11th, you and I had a conversation. And I said, BB's lying about the

00:52:52.980 contents of a letter that Charlie wrote him. He's making it seem like it was just him writing a love

00:52:56.400 letter about how much he loves Israel. I know that's not true. It's making me sick. I know it

00:53:00.740 wasn't true because Andrew Colvett was the one who told me about the letter. So it's just incredible

00:53:04.440 that he is reintroducing this as if Candace was like, she's going to burn. Like I was basically

00:53:09.960 saying that if this is true and there is foreign involvement, like we will burn this place to the

00:53:14.560 ground. If they're staging this, try to take over his company, meaning we, because I'm talking to

00:53:20.120 you and this is Charlie's organization and we don't know who killed him yet. We don't know what

00:53:24.640 the motive was. And he was totally supportive in giving me more information. And now he's

00:53:30.160 pretending like, oh, I don't know why she said that. I don't know why. I was so scared. And

00:53:34.220 actually what he said to me on the 14th was, no, on that front, we're good. We don't have to worry

00:53:41.260 about that because the board has already voted in Erica. Don't say this yet. We're not announcing

00:53:46.460 it publicly, but Erica is taking over the company. And what I said to him was, thank God.

00:53:52.780 So he left that out.

00:53:54.180 He left out the context that actually Candace became a bull.

00:53:57.400 And as I was telling her information about how Charlie was pulling away from Israel as a possible motive for what happened, as we had no answers.

00:54:05.700 I mean, this is four days after Charlie's assassination.

00:54:08.700 We didn't know anything.

00:54:10.320 We didn't know if there were foreign ties.

00:54:11.620 We knew nothing.

00:54:12.800 And he is giving me this Israeli narrative.

00:54:15.800 Now he's like, oh, I think it was, she just thought it was the Jews.

00:54:17.940 I don't know why.

00:54:18.560 well, you do know why, Andrew, that I thought Israel was involved in this and why I still

00:54:22.840 believe that there is an Israeli angle. And to try to wrench yourself out of that as the person

00:54:26.920 who was my number one source on all this information is complete lunacy. And I think

00:54:33.260 I have a message where I even said, give Erica my number. Was that on there where I was like,

00:54:36.880 give Erica my new number? 14th, after we're talking about this, I'm angry now. I'm at a

00:54:42.860 stage of real anger. Also, please send Erica my new number. She only has my old one. Your whole

00:54:47.860 narrative that you're trying to sell now, as if I was very happy that Erika was taking over the

00:54:53.680 organization. And when I was fearful that there could have been some sort of outside foreign

00:54:58.760 involvement and motive with Israel, who wanted his organization for reasons that were not yet clear,

00:55:04.560 but we all knew Bibi's behavior was very strange afterward, and you agreed with that.

00:55:08.880 So try to tell the truth, Andrew. Try to put things in their proper context. Tell the truth

00:55:13.440 about France and what was going on and why Charlie agreed to it. Tell the truth about

00:55:16.700 why Israel was on my mind, what you've said about Bill Ackman staging an intervention,

00:55:22.300 what you said about Charlie declining to have Bibi on his show, which you also admitted that

00:55:27.520 you even expressed that concern to Joe Kent, which you now make it seem like he's an enemy,

00:55:32.740 but you were the one who put the Israel narrative in everyone's mind. Andrew, it was you. And by

00:55:38.780 the way, I think for the first time ever, you were telling the truth. You were telling the truth

00:55:45.220 And then you suddenly pulled it all back and started lying and have been attacking us since the people who are trying to get to the bottom of this.

00:55:54.640 And I have to, I don't know, assume that you're doing it out of fear.

00:56:01.380 I mean, that's the most charitable read on why you're lying in this way is out of fear.

00:56:06.740 because if you truly do believe

00:56:08.680 that Israel had something to do

00:56:10.620 with Charlie's assassination,

00:56:11.960 then you would probably recognize

00:56:13.920 that they would have no trouble

00:56:15.040 assassinating you two.

00:56:17.000 Again, that is my most charitable read,

00:56:18.920 but I wanted to put things

00:56:21.460 in their proper context

00:56:22.320 because this is all they have left.

00:56:24.140 Of course, they spent no time

00:56:25.260 going over any of the explosive evidence

00:56:27.140 or answering any of the questions

00:56:28.120 that we actually want to know

00:56:29.100 from Turning Point USA

00:56:30.300 because they're not going to do that.

00:56:32.640 Anyway, we'll be right back

00:56:33.540 after a brief break.

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00:58:24.140 Okay, top comments from yesterday's episode

00:58:27.140 Ambie wrote, or Amy, pardon me, wrote,

00:58:29.800 the way the crime scene was treated is absurd.

00:58:32.100 I totally agree with you.

00:58:33.480 Medina wrote, nice that you can spend time together

00:58:36.280 before baby number five arrives.

00:58:37.840 Happy anniversary, Candace and George.

00:58:39.540 Thank you so much.

00:58:41.860 A comment from today's episode,

00:58:43.440 Roll Tide in Vegas writes,

00:58:45.120 the truth will come out regardless

00:58:46.280 of whoever is trying to hide it.

00:58:47.620 Thank you for your eye-opening work.

00:58:49.440 I pray for the world to wake up to the evil

00:58:50.920 that is all around us and for your safety.

00:58:52.500 We know how it ends.

00:58:53.480 God always wins, Christ is king.

00:58:54.840 enjoy your much deserved week off thank you guys um so much for that and yeah it's also just good

00:59:00.720 because we're doing so much research and we just need to like break as a team and you know it's

00:59:06.000 high stakes we want to make sure that we're not making any mistakes that we're thoroughly building

00:59:10.080 out our timeline following up on leads trying to um close others and that just takes time so that's

00:59:15.920 really why we started doing the six weeks on one week off structure which is has proven to be very

00:59:21.320 beneficial for us. I think the show has gotten better because of it. Seven Sheets writes,

00:59:25.000 I have to do this for Andrew. Room temp IQ, so delusional. How's the Andrew Colvette channel

00:59:30.160 going? Smart guy. Also, Blake, never met her. Candace laughs. Yeah, we believe you, Candace.

00:59:35.740 And lastly, I'm going to miss you over your well-deserved break. Please never stop. We want

00:59:38.880 justice for that undeniably great man, Charlie Kirk, and against those who are trying to hijack

00:59:43.980 his important needed message. Yeah, I mean, I would, when we were discussing that, of course,

00:59:49.960 Like if Charlie was killed for his company, that's the right perspective to have that I will breathe fire on this company. And then I thought everything was great because Erica took over. And now I'm going, oh, my gosh, no, it actually isn't great. And I think that that's what's making Andrew so angry is that he knew more than I knew, obviously.

01:00:08.680 and so what would have been taken as a sign of friendship like hey let's get together I always

01:00:14.160 said that to you my mindset in those early days was I just never for a single second thought

01:00:18.580 anything Turning Point USA would have indicated that Turning Point USA was suspicious and I went

01:00:24.200 in there with all a genuine heart like basically saying to Andrew like use me as your dragon because

01:00:30.260 if this is how this went down and Charlie lost his life to this I'm just so angry and like we

01:00:34.640 have to fight it was basically a call to war yeah and i'm by the way i'm very proud of that i'm proud

01:00:41.260 that i was loyal to charlie and was willing to fight uh it whoever it is and that's what i'm

01:00:47.000 doing right now i'm still doing that i've made that clear i said that on my own show my own show

01:00:51.620 in those early days you're not breaking any news i said on my own show that anybody who did this

01:00:57.400 who was with or somehow coordinated

01:01:01.040 and trying to take down Charlie

01:01:03.560 for their own selfish means

01:01:04.880 had been an enemy of me.

01:01:05.980 And I meant that.

01:01:07.480 And it sure as heck is not because

01:01:08.880 of some narrative that I wanted his company.

01:01:11.060 Like I do not want to run a 501c3.

01:01:12.700 Thank you very much.

01:01:13.360 My life is great.

01:01:14.360 I don't even run my own company.

01:01:15.680 So I'm good.

01:01:16.920 Life is good being a mom

01:01:19.260 and being able to podcast.

01:01:22.540 Bigfoot Believer writes,

01:01:24.260 something that really saddens me

01:01:25.380 is knowing in my gut

01:01:26.200 that Tyler Robinson made friends with a bad crowd

01:01:28.220 and is now sitting in jail for something that he did not do

01:01:30.360 and will most likely be given life imprisonment,

01:01:32.680 if not death.

01:01:33.440 I have a 22-year-old and I think about that

01:01:35.100 and it hurts my soul.

01:01:37.280 You know, I've said from the beginning

01:01:39.420 that I think he's got mixed up in something.

01:01:41.660 I know that he was around campus that day

01:01:43.640 because of a source.

01:01:44.780 I am open to thinking that there are multiple people

01:01:48.040 that are wearing room shirts.

01:01:49.000 Like maybe Tyler is the one

01:01:50.980 that's walking down the street.

01:01:53.480 Maybe he dropped Lance.

01:01:55.400 I don't know.

01:01:56.200 we were the ones that obviously revealed the Dairy Queen photo.

01:02:00.380 So we know he was around campus that day,

01:02:01.820 and I told you that the story that I got

01:02:04.180 was that he was dumping clothes in a cemetery.

01:02:09.200 Okay, what does that mean?

01:02:10.120 Could that mean that his tampering with evidence charge

01:02:13.280 is appropriate or obstruction of justice,

01:02:16.600 if that's the judge?

01:02:17.340 Perhaps, and I'm open to all of that,

01:02:19.040 but the idea that he's the one who fired the shot

01:02:21.120 at Charlie Kirk,

01:02:23.980 I don't even know if a shot was fired.

01:02:25.260 I don't even believe a shot was fired from Losey Center, so forget whether or not he fired some miracle bullet shot and won and done and then jumped off a rooftop.

01:02:32.080 Absolutely not. I don't buy that. I'm at zero percent. That's what I meant. I am at zero percent that Tyler Robinson shot and killed Charlie Kirk from Losey Rooftop.

01:02:41.520 Open to other theories about how he could have been involved and whether he got swept up in something because of Lance, who I find to be remarkably suspicious.

01:02:50.320 Impact CPA writes, very important, who is Terrell texting after getting the SD card?

01:02:54.540 Shapiro team again, like in the car going to the hospital?

01:02:57.200 That video angle needed to be quickly checked and altered if necessary.

01:03:01.180 Mike shards a particular person, what or who, go Max.

01:03:04.700 Well, it would be very helpful if they just came out and answered some questions and we

01:03:08.500 wouldn't have to speculate, but we know that that's not going to happen.

01:03:11.620 And they're going to say it's all in the purview of law enforcement.

01:03:14.920 Capital T for Truth writes, TPUSA likes making this harder for themselves.

01:03:17.900 the so-called text message from Charlie still does not put Tyler Robinson on the roof or the

01:03:23.560 rifle in his hand. Now they have to prove he's on the left. Even Lance said that they never talked

01:03:28.320 about Charlie or LGBTQ. And we're not supposed to have a reaction to that, apparently. That yes,

01:03:33.620 their entire narrative was that this was a political assassination and it was because

01:03:37.200 he was radical on the topic of LGBTQ. And so they want us to believe Lance when he hands over his

01:03:45.080 messages, but not to believe Lance when he says that he was not political and they never talked

01:03:49.880 about LGBTQ issues. It doesn't work that way. It does not work that way. Autumn writes, Tweedledee

01:03:55.720 and Tweedledum can talk to Smokey about you, but they can't just publicly talk to you. That would

01:04:00.460 only prove them to be lying, conniving, imbeciles that they are. I pray for the day of reckoning,

01:04:04.940 penance them. Truth daily, go Max girl. Honestly, the laugh that Blake is doing is just so funny to

01:04:11.700 watch his face transform once he realizes that Andrew Wilson watched that clip and noted that I

01:04:17.280 didn't do or say anything wrong. And they were literally trying to make me a Hitler apologist.

01:04:21.920 It's really something. And like I said, exposes what their motives are. And yeah, I always say

01:04:27.660 the offer still stands. I never asked to debate Turning Point. I would love to sit down with

01:04:33.120 Turning Point publicly and to discuss these matters and maybe put some of these alternative

01:04:39.840 theories to bed, that would be beneficial, I think, for both sides. But they are in such a

01:04:45.800 place of anger and spending money to just have people try to destroy me. And we have spent zero

01:04:51.920 dollars, zero dollars, trying to get anybody to go after them. We've just been focused on trying

01:04:56.900 to solve this case and noticing a lot of inconsistencies. Thumbelina's Grace writes,

01:05:01.220 gosh, they are so exhausting. It's like watching three church ladies meeting at the fence post to

01:05:05.040 gab about the latest town gossip it is it it is like watching that there's no substance to that

01:05:10.160 show anymore uh charlie discussed ideas they clearly had andrew on to just try to smear

01:05:17.840 candace and it is going to backfire because everything they do always does suburban style

01:05:22.900 writes hi candace my brother and i watch and discuss your show every day would you please

01:05:26.520 help me wish my brother al a happy 50th go max and thank you happy 50th al i hope you have an

01:05:31.540 amazing birthday. And I hope you're listening to my podcast and are going to be able to hear me

01:05:38.120 say that, or at least have your sister or your brother clip this out so that you know that I

01:05:42.940 hope it was a good one. Spend time with your family. Simon Webster writes, Candace, imagine

01:05:47.540 you're in the X-Men universe and have Professor X's telepathy. You can read minds within a 250

01:05:53.980 mile radius. Which five people in the world would you deliberately get close enough to read

01:05:57.940 and why those five I would go right into turning point obviously and get answers for Charlie Kirk's

01:06:07.520 assassination that would be the thing that I did immediately I'd probably do uh Kash Patel

01:06:13.260 on the day of the tweeting and what they were going to do I would probably do um

01:06:19.800 um, Andrew, I don't want to be in his mind. It just, it's just so wasteful. Um, I would do

01:06:26.600 Erica Kirk for sure, because it's a, it's a puzzle. And I think that the world would like

01:06:34.080 to know what's happening in there and maybe question, uh, get some answers to some of the

01:06:40.400 things that she's done thereafter. I would definitely do someone that was on the ground

01:06:44.700 that day, like Mikey McCoy, who had a lot of action and could definitely, therefore, be able

01:06:51.600 to access his memories of what really went down at Timpanogos and hospital and beyond in the lead

01:07:00.040 up to that. And I just really don't want to be in Blake's head. I probably would access Mike

01:07:06.920 Mitchell's mind as well because he has been a central character in all of this that we just

01:07:12.120 don't get to see and meet and seems like he brought things together am i at five i feel

01:07:17.000 like then i have to do one more and it would probably be lance twiggs but i think yeah

01:07:22.320 everybody anybody who watches the show knows that in i'm a huge x-men fan and i'm mystique always

01:07:30.720 i'm always mystique so don't play this i don't want to be professor i want to be mystique

01:07:35.220 just mistake but it has to be specifically not the jennifer lawrence mystique it's this one

01:07:39.500 That's up on the screen, which is Rebecca Romaine Stamos.

01:07:42.740 So thank you for playing the game.

01:07:44.080 That's me right there, the blue chick on the screen.

01:07:47.960 We, I think I got everybody here.

01:07:51.240 I know I missed Pri.

01:07:52.120 Pri wrote, imagine being grown men

01:07:53.360 sitting on your dead friend's podcast

01:07:54.700 talking crap about a pregnant woman

01:07:56.080 and thinking that you are doing the Lord's work.

01:07:59.640 It's just pathetic.

01:08:00.720 It really is.

01:08:01.240 They should just shut down the show.

01:08:03.020 Him trying to basically appeal to authority.

01:08:05.900 When people who had high IQs got on,

01:08:07.860 You mean the neocon frauds who tell us that we should go to war with Iran?

01:08:12.340 Who said that you won?

01:08:13.780 It's just, it's exhausting to watch them do this day in and day out.

01:08:18.460 And they can't be successful at it.

01:08:20.600 So what's the point of continuing it on?

01:08:22.780 You know, Charlie cared a lot about that show.

01:08:25.000 It was, like I said, one of his lifelong goals.

01:08:27.700 He loved Rush Limbaugh.

01:08:28.720 He couldn't wait to one day be able to do the same three hours of radio every single day, day in and day out.

01:08:34.240 And he did it and he was successful because he was brilliant.

01:08:37.860 And I am sorry to be the one to tell you guys, but you will not, you can't fill Charlie's

01:08:45.460 shoes and what you have done has been an absolute embarrassment to everything that he has built.

01:08:51.780 Just shut our Turning Point USA, you know, just start over and build something else.

01:08:56.200 Lean into the neocon thing.

01:08:58.120 Call it something else.

01:08:59.780 Like, this is just, it's such a farce at this point.

01:09:02.360 You must be exhausted.

01:09:03.680 You look tired.

01:09:04.460 You all look tired.

01:09:06.240 Anyway, that's all I have to say about that.

01:09:07.760 If you guys want to support the show, you know you can head to the website.

01:09:10.340 We have book club today.

01:09:11.320 Just reminding you guys of that.

01:09:12.800 So we will be jumping onto book club.

01:09:14.220 We'll probably take a 15-minute break, and then we will be over on our website, CandaceOwns.com.

01:09:18.680 And if you are on CandaceOwns.com, don't forget that you could pick up some merch.

01:09:23.240 You can buy the book that we are reading, Make Him a Sandwich.

01:09:26.240 You can buy a Stop Anti-Candicism, a Standis Cup, which it complements well with the last Standis Cup.

01:09:33.520 We don't know, but we know.

01:09:34.860 Yep, that looks great.

01:09:35.760 You might want to have them both.

01:09:36.520 they are collector's items. Don't forget while you are there, maybe some of you guys are thinking

01:09:40.620 about doing some crime. You've got to get your second favorite shirt. It's got to be the second

01:09:43.660 one. We're just reminding you not to wear your first favorite shirt. And of course, you're saying

01:09:49.440 that tongue in cheek. You should not be doing crime. But if you are, this is the shirt that you

01:09:54.240 should have. Anyway, you guys, I will see you in 10 days. It's going to feel so long. Love you so

01:10:01.660 much. Give me a hug. Give me a hug. It has to be a hug like this, though, because my belly, you know,

01:10:05.560 it's like natural social distancing. I've got a fat belly. Okay. Love you forever. Bye.

Candace Owens - August 21, 2026

Honey, I Shrunk The Footage! More Exclusive TPUSA Shenanigans. ｜ Ep 379

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