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00:01:23.200episode is episode 81, titled The Bible on Yoga, Enneagram, and Progressive Christianity. I hope
00:01:30.840you enjoy it. All right, guys, a lot of you have been asking me for this episode, and I tried to
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00:13:15.140Now, how does progressive Christianity link up with yoga and the Enneagram?
00:13:21.100Well, there are just, you know, I'm going to say these are just like two examples of how worldly ideas, you know, have been accepted and adopted by the progressive church.
00:13:33.220And by that I mean these two are unique because it's not just that we have a few Christians doing yoga at a fitness center or that their employer had them take the Enneagram to better understand their personality.
00:13:47.580No, it's actually quite deeper and I would say much more extreme than that.
00:13:54.160We have a church who is sanctioning yoga classes.
00:13:58.720It's called Holy Yoga or Praise Moves.
00:14:01.300the church is hosting these things. It's endorsing this. It's promoting this. We even have pastors
00:14:10.160who are now doing and creating an entire 10-week sermon series on the Enneagram. I've actually
00:14:16.800seen several pastors do this. And so let's quickly talk about this idea of, quote, holy yoga.
00:14:23.280um first the origin of yoga is vedic and vedic is the precursor religion to hinduism and classical
00:14:33.620yoga and its poses are really just religious positions of worship to animals mystical qualities
00:14:39.900and to other gods and the act itself really is a worship act and for that reason it cannot be done
00:14:48.020in a way that is not spiritual. This is why people have integrated it with churches because it is
00:14:55.980spiritual. We don't integrate Pilates and CrossFit at church because they are obviously not spiritual
00:15:03.320and everyone knows it. And so just understand that point is that the reason that we have yoga at
00:15:10.360church is because it's basically admitting that it is a spiritual activity. And there's a reason
00:15:18.520why we don't do that with other things like Pilates and CrossFit, and you can name a bunch
00:15:23.200of other examples there. So that's a really important point. The other point is that there's
00:15:30.500like a birth of this stuff. There's Christian yoga companies, like one's called Holy Yoga,
00:15:35.660the other one's, as I mentioned earlier, is called Praise Moves, which again are titanic
00:15:39.500contradictions um you you can't have those things in the same bucket um it's like kind of like0.69
00:15:46.460saying you know um like holy islam you know in terms of um you know using another religion
00:15:53.580there holy buddhism it's a different thing here and so another fascinating piece of evidence is
00:16:00.940that true yogis are actually upset that the west has vandalized their religion imagine if the like
00:16:09.340entire Chinese culture, for example, started taking the practice of Christian baptism and
00:16:14.520communion while denying any religious connection to these sacraments and then secularizing them
00:16:20.380in a way that distorts it from the Bible. It would probably make a bunch of Christians upset.0.81
00:16:27.760And again, this just points to the reality that yoga is spiritual, and yoga's own participants0.72
00:16:33.860will confirm this. I would say, try to find a legit yogi who denies the spirituality of yoga.
00:16:41.660You won't find that. But the truth is, westernized yoga is not outwardly religious.
00:16:51.040However, it is the gateway to its religious sister. Actually, here in Bend, Oregon,
00:16:59.820there's a yoga studio that when you join, you have to pick your God before you participate in a
00:17:06.520session. And so it's not like just over in India that this kind of stuff's happening. I actually
00:17:11.520remember a story, some acquaintances that we had several years ago, they were a part of the church
00:17:18.060and then all of a sudden they kind of left the church and they didn't recommit to a church.
00:17:23.740They'd been Christians for many, many years. And I remember noticing the spouse, the woman,
00:17:29.820started going to yoga classes and sharing about that on the internet, and then I started noticing
00:17:34.880her going to yoga retreats, and then I started noticing her make statements that were really,
00:17:43.560you know, not scriptural and leaning on this kind of, you know, yoga ideology and theology that is
00:17:53.180opposite from scripture, and, you know, it's several years later, and last I checked, they're
00:17:59.240really not walking in step with God or Christianity. They're very much walking away0.80
00:18:06.380and finding the solution to their problems in yoga. And so this is how it happens. Satan is a
00:18:12.840patient incrementalist. And so he's all about the slow fade. So just want you to kind of be aware of
00:18:19.460that. But, you know, most Christians are going to say, well, I don't worship the Hindu gods when I
00:18:28.140do yoga. I worship Jesus when I do yoga. It's, again, kind of like they're trying to tell you
00:18:33.840that they've redeemed yoga somehow. Basically, they're slapping, you know, God onto their
00:18:40.700worldly practices, hoping that, you know, by sprinkling some Jesus on it, God's going to
00:18:46.600endorse their activity in some way. This is the same heart behind, like, ethical pornography or
00:18:53.680spouse-approved adultery or evangelism inside the porn convention. It's lipstick on a pig.0.99
00:19:01.260You know, imagine walking into a Muslim mosque and participating in Islam's five daily prayers1.00
00:19:08.320of Salat. Okay, but you're really just praying to Jesus. How do you think God feels about that?
00:19:15.080Well, we don't have to guess because he tells us in his word how he feels about that. So I'm going
00:19:20.600to look at Deuteronomy 12, 29 through 31. It says, when the Lord your God cuts off before you the
00:19:28.200nations whom you go in to dispossess, the land of Canaan, and you dispossess them and dwell in their0.83
00:19:33.980land, take care that you do not, that you be not ensnared. So first it says, take care that you be
00:19:41.200not, this is command, be ensnared to follow them after they have been destroyed before you, and
00:19:46.900that you, quote, do not, here, inquire about their gods, saying, how do these nations serve
00:19:52.260their gods, that I might also do the same? Verse 31, you shall not worship the Lord your God in
00:19:58.660that way. For every abominable thing that the Lord hates, they have done for their gods. For
00:20:04.820they even burn their sons and their daughters in the fire to their gods. So first, this passage
00:20:10.960in Deuteronomy tells us that there is a way to worship the Lord, and it's not by adopting the
00:20:18.700worship practices of other religions. So that's one thing. And why? Well, he gives you the reason
00:20:25.540in the text. Because the Lord hates what they have done for their gods. And this would include
00:20:32.460him hating what the people have done for the Hindu gods, which is quite gross if you want to do some
00:20:39.540research online, but we don't have time to talk about that right now. John 4.24 affirms this same
00:20:45.160principle in the New Testament when he writes, God is spirit, and those who worship him must
00:20:53.560worship in spirit and in truth. Okay, so basically we don't get to worship God the way that we want
00:21:00.400to worship God. We get to worship God according to truth. And there's actually a really good
00:21:05.940documentary on this topic if you guys want to watch it i think you can get it uh on vimeo on
00:21:11.640demand for sure and maybe on amazon prime it's called spirit and truth um and it's from um they
00:21:20.600produce some other calvinist documentaries you guys know that i'm not a calvinist i appreciate
00:21:24.380the documentary though it's pretty solid so i just take a peek at it um uh the second biblical
00:21:30.480argument on this yoga thing is found on what we do with our bodies. Okay, so there's this founder
00:21:38.560of Holy Yoga. Her name's Brooke Boone. And in an interview with Yoga Magazine, she responded to a0.90
00:21:46.420question that said, what we do, basically, you know, if what we do with our bodies changes the
00:21:54.120authenticity of our worship in some way. And she responded with, well, God looks at the heart and
00:21:59.200not at the body. Okay, so first, she's vandalizing 1 Samuel 16, 7. Yes, God looks upon the heart,0.53
00:22:08.100and man looks like on the outward appearance. That's what she's kind of referencing there.
00:22:11.720But he also cares what we do with our bodies. In fact, what we do with our bodies matters
00:22:17.620regardless if our heart is in the right place or not. And why? Well, 1 Corinthians 6, 19 through
00:22:24.38020 says, Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you,
00:22:30.760whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price. Therefore,
00:22:38.900glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God's. Okay, that's just a slam dunk on the
00:22:47.600argument there, right? It just goes, okay, yeah, we don't get to do what we want with our bodies.
00:22:51.660just letting you guys know, Romans 12 tells us that our bodies are to be a living sacrifice
00:22:58.640to God. And that means we don't do certain things with our bodies out of our love for God. We
00:23:07.080sacrifice what we would like to do with our bodies as a way to display our worship and devotion to
00:23:14.560God. And actually in verses 1 and 2 of Romans 12, it says that that's our reasonable service to him,
00:23:21.000Like, you know, just if you forgot that he basically saved your eternity and saved your life and died for your sins and attributed his righteousness to you so that you could be redeemed, like, just letting you know it's your reasonable service to do that.
00:23:38.760That's basically what that verse is telling you.
00:23:41.220Now, as a Christian, can you do breathing exercises and stretching?
00:24:45.200And it's probably, you know, yeah, probably the most influential book at the time.
00:24:49.820I've actually spoken to Suzanne for about an hour to fully understand the Enneagram a few years ago.
00:24:56.620But in recent years, it's really exploded in the church and is heralded as a Christian self-discovery tool.
00:25:05.220And at the heart, the problem is really this.
00:25:08.480The Enneagram is a self-focused tool that promises, like, deep discovery by looking inward, and that stands in contrast to the Scriptures, which claims that self is deceptive and bankrupt, and the only true discovery comes from looking outward towards Christ.
00:25:28.480So it really stands in opposition to the biblical doctrine.
00:25:32.700And when you read these Enneagram books and listen to the Enneagram stories from today's celebrity pastors, you're bombarded with a lot of these like therapeutic ideologies and some, you know, the language that's kind of like, you know, love yourself or forgive yourself for loving yourself or finding your true self or, you know, you know, be whole.
00:30:10.020So then, let us not sleep as others do, but let us keep awake and be sober, meaning being sober-minded.
00:30:18.640And Titus 1.9, which is written to elders, shepherds, pastors, it says,
00:30:24.040He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, meaning as taught by the apostles,
00:30:30.020so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.
00:30:37.740And so shepherds, if you're listening here, it's your job to make sure that you're guarding the sheep from some of this stuff and that we're not progressing.
00:30:46.800We're actually fixed on a stationary, biblical, unchanging, historic Christianity.
00:30:55.940Hopefully that was helpful for you guys.
00:30:58.680And we'll be edifying and waking you up and being watchful for these things in your own church.
00:31:02.940If these things are happening in your church, I would recommend having a conversation, a sit-down conversation with your pastor and with respect and honor, integrity, gentleness, but having a discussion.
00:31:17.960And depending on their answer, it may require you and your family to leave these churches and try to find a more biblically-centered church.