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Taylor Swift and Hugh Jackman were present at the meeting where Ryan Reynolds was yelling at Justin Baldoni for 5-6 hours in their penthouse. Did they know about this meeting beforehand or were they just there by chance?
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And then Blake and Ryan arranges another meeting and she also told Justin that you cannot cry
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anymore. Then it says here that Colleen calls Brandon Sklenar and tells him about this dinner.
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Hi and welcome to Flossom Talk. I'm Jashti Flohr, journalist, Hollywood truth teller,
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and your voice of reason in a town built on delusion. So happy Black Friday everyone
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and I hope you had a good Thanksgiving if you celebrated that, if you're here in the US
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and if not, I hope you had a good Thursday. I know a few people didn't have a good Thanksgiving and
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one of them being Taylor Swift because if you watched my episode yesterday, you know that we
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now know that Taylor Swift has lied. She said that she only met Justin Baldoni one time and that is
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not true because now we know that she was at two meetings with Justin and today the headlines are
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everywhere that Taylor Swift and Hugh Jackman were present when Ryan Reynolds was yelling at Justin
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Baldoni for five to six hours in their penthouse claiming that Justin Baldoni had fat shamed his
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wife. If you missed my episode yesterday, I just wanted to mention that the judge has ruled that a
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lot of new evidence is going to be unsealed next week. So on December 3rd, that's the big day,
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a lot of evidence is going to be unsealed and we're going to look inside what really happened behind the
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scenes, especially what went on in Blake's camp. There's also an audio recording that should be very
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interesting. And as I said yesterday, the reason why the judge wants all of this new evidence to be
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unsealed is because he believes that we have the right to know what really went on. He wants
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transparency here. And the reason for that is because there is a lot of stuff hiding in that
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evidence. And I believe all of that evidence is going to benefit Justin Baldoni. So stay tuned next
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week is going to be massive. And of course, we can expect also a lot of new stories coming out from Blake
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and Ryan's team about how amazing they are as parents and how in love they are as a couple and
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really how relatable they are when they go to Trader Joe's to do their Thanksgiving shopping. Also, we have
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to talk about more from Justin Baldoni's deposition. It has now been unsealed and this is truly
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heartbreaking. This proves that Justin could not even trust his own team. We'll go through some of that.
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And also, I wanted to go through more of that timeline that was unsealed yesterday, where amongst
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other things, we got to learn that Taylor and Hugh Jackman was present at that meeting at their
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penthouse when Ryan was yelling at Justin. There is a lot more in this timeline and I'm going to try
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to go through the most important things in this episode. So please stay tuned to the end. Okay, so let's
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talk a little bit more about this episode that's been everywhere in the press today. Everyone picked it
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up that Taylor and Hugh Jackman were present at the penthouse. What does this really mean? Well,
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for once, it means that Taylor Swift wasn't telling the truth from the beginning here because she
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said in a statement through her reps that she only met Justin once and she had nothing to do with the
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movie. And obviously, if she was there during this whole meeting, which lasted for five to six
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hours, she's much more involved than she initiated. And of course, this also puts Hugh Jackman on the
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spot, which is not great for him, especially now because he has a movie out called Sing Song Blue,
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and he's really hoping to get some award buzz around that movie. It is actually a really good movie. I
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watched it. He's great in it. So this is really bad for him as well. And I wonder what did the two of
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them actually do there? Did they know beforehand that this meeting was going to take place? Or were
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they just there by chance? I don't actually think so. I don't feel it's random when Taylor Swift just
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stops by or Hugh Jackman. And then they're just like, oh, by the way, we have a meeting with Justin
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Baldoni and Jamie Heese is going to be here. And a rep from Sony is going to be here and producers are
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going to be here. So there were like seven, eight, nine people in that room when this happened. Keep that in
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mind. And we know that the producer, Todd Black, was witnessing this and he wanted to leave the
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movie after this incident. He said, I don't want to go back to that set. I don't want to work with
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that movie. And allegedly he was offered three times as much by Sony to return to work. I don't
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have that confirmed, but that's what I've heard. And I also find it interesting keeping in mind that
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this happened even before production started. So Blake claims that Justin thinks she's fat.
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And then at the same time, she claims that he was objectifying her on the set of It Ends With Us,
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calling her outfit sexy. It doesn't really hold up. The logic here doesn't make any sense. And in the
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middle of this PR drama, Blake posted a story to her Instagram promoting her hair care line, Blake
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Brown. And what was she wearing? Just a tiny towel. That's a lot less than she was actually wearing in
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that birth scene that she was so upset about. And I'm guessing that's probably what she wore when
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Jamie Heese entered her trailer. Yeah, isn't it kind of ironic how she is so comfortable in front of a
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camera, showing the entire world, what she looks like in just a tiny little towel when she had so
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many issues with similar things on the set of It Ends With Us and behind the scenes of It Ends With Us.
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As I said yesterday, I wonder why Justin kept this information from us that Taylor Swift and Hugh
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Jackman was there. Maybe he was protecting them somehow. I don't know. Maybe he hoped that Taylor
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would support him because it did seem like that for a while. And that's why he kept this secret.
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I don't know. And I also find it interesting why this was unsealed right before Thanksgiving,
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because as you know, people don't really pay that much attention to the news during the holidays,
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because then they know that he wouldn't have gotten that much attention as he would have if
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they had released this on Monday, for example. So I don't know the thought behind it. I just find it
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a little weird. Also, as I said, more of Justin Baldoni's deposition has been unsealed. And this
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is where the lawyers are grilling him about Melissa Nathan. So they want him to basically admit that he
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know that she was shady before he hired her. And there's pages up and down about how he should have
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known that she had done dirty work before. And also they're trying to make it look like Stephanie
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Jones was warning him about Melissa Nathan. Anyways, going back a little in this deposition
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that was unsealed, the attorney asks Justin this. Have you seen any documents or text messages in this
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case or otherwise where Stephanie Jones is talking shit about you the way that Jen Abel was? First of all,
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the language, I just, this is a direct quote. This is the language that the attorney used
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in this question. And we know there was a text message released where Jennifer Abel said that
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Justin is kind of full of himself. I think that happened in the beginning of this lawsuit that
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that was released, which didn't make her look good. But the way they're asking here and putting
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Jennifer Abel on the spot saying, you know, you couldn't even trust your own publicist.
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They're trying to take away the credibility of his entire team here. Of course, they're trying to pit
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all these parties against each other here so that that would create chaos and then their story will
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fall apart. But they're not really successful in doing that. But what this says is that Justin
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Baldoni maybe couldn't really trust his team. And as I've spoken about Melissa Nathan lately,
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that she's been accused of doing shady things before, this thing here that I'm going to now doesn't
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really put her in a better light. So the attorney asked Justin, are you aware that after Wayfair
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on board tag as its crisis publicist, Katie Case and Melissa Nathan were joking about whether your
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faith, your faith was a cult? I was not aware, says Justin. What do you think about that? Says the
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attorney. Well, I think anytime somebody makes a religious joke, I think that's not okay. It seems to
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have happened a lot in this case. Then the attorney is showing Justin the exhibit here that they were
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talking behind his back. And he says, it's a text thread between Katie Case and Melissa Nathan from
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August 4th, 2024. Have you seen this before? Justin says, I have not. Were you aware that Katie Case
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and Melissa Nathan were texting things like this about you while they were on a call with you?
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I was not, says Justin. As I said, I find this to be so heartbreaking because this really shows that
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he couldn't trust what they were doing behind his back. But then again, I kind of think this helps
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Justin because if something happened, he doesn't need to take responsibility for that because now we
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know that they were talking behind his back and who knows what they were up to behind his back.
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We, all we know and all we care about here is what Justin Baldoni and the Wayfarer Studios did and did
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not do. And we know for sure that they were not a part of any alleged smear campaign. But this kind of
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stuff doesn't really help Melissa Nathan or Katie Case for that matter. Okay, so let's get into this
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slash legal slash podcast for full disclosure. Okay, so let's get back into this timeline that I
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started speaking about yesterday. This is basically a timeline of events of everything that happened
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throughout the production and before the production started of It Ends With Us and until after the
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premiere of the movie. And this is put together by Baldoni's team. I think maybe Jamie Heath put it
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together to explain to Melissa Nathan, the crisis manager, when they hired her of what had occurred
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up till this point. And as I said yesterday, which was quite shocking to me, that that whole incident
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in Blake and Ryan's penthouse actually happened before they started shooting the movie.
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So let's get back into the pre-production here. What happens after Justin was berated by Ryan Reynolds
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for five hours because he was fat shaming his wife. So already on May 1st, this is also before they start
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shooting, Alex, one of the producers, sent a text message saying that she's fixing the script. She's now
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directing the movie. This is bad. So already at this point before they started shooting, Blake took over
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basically the directing of the movie. Then it continues here on May 7th that Blake informed production
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that her baby is ill and she would not be able to travel to Las Vegas. I find this really suspicious.
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First of all, you have four children. One of them is always going to be ill. She just had a baby,
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so I do understand that she wants to be around her baby, but she can jump on her private jet and bring
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the baby and bring as many nannies as she pleases to start shooting the movie she signed up for.
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So this ended in over a week delay of the production, which of course cost the Wayfair parties
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and Sony and everyone involved a lot of money. And also it's a note here saying that interesting
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that Blake was seen at Taylor Swift's concert on the 13th of May. So six days later, Blake was at
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this concert. So I don't know, do we believe that her baby was sick? Maybe, but could she still have
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gone to Vegas? Of course she could. So that shoot was canceled, obviously. And then on the 11th of May,
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Justin recorded a rehearsal with Jenny Slate. And apparently Jenny said that that was not comfortable.
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It doesn't say anything more about that. But then on the first day of shooting on 15th of May,
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some paparazzi photos are hitting the press with Blake Lively's outfits and people are going bananas
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over how incredibly ugly they are. And here it says that this sent Sony producers and Justin into a frenzy
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because they'd long felt that the wardrobe choices Blake was making were not in the best interest of the movie.
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This was, there was a lot of chatter about how to get Blake Lively to compromise on wardrobe. As you
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know, she didn't. And every outfit that we saw in that movie was basically hideous. And as I said
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before, I think the reason why she wanted to pick her own wardrobe is because she wanted to hide her
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baby weight. She didn't have, she hadn't lost her baby weight yet. And as you know, she was so upset
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about him asking about her weight. So this was really something that bothered her. And that's
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also the reason why she wore all this layer on top of another layer clothing in the movie. Then they're
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quoting Taylor Swift again here because Blake Lively apparently said she was defending her wardrobe
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choices. And she had said allegedly to Justin that Taylor had told her that the fans don't know what
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they want until you give it to them. I think that's kind of disrespectful for your fans to say
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something like that. You don't know what you want until I give it to you. And because you're just my
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fans, you're not critical of anything I do. You don't even know what you want. And this is what Blake
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is saying here that defending her wardrobe choices saying that, but they don't know what they want yet.
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Just wait. They're going to love my costumes because they love me. Also the same day,
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this happened on May 16. It says here that Blake gave Justin a compliment on this day and Justin
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teared up while he was hearing that. This would later be weaponized against him as Blake would
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insist that Justin Baldoni was in her trailer sobbing about how she looks old. I mean, you can't make this
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stuff up. It's so crazy to me. This is what fame does to people when your ego gets too big. And the
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examples that we see here of how things have been twisted around, no matter what he would have said
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in any of these situations, it would have been weaponized and used against him. It's just like no
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way out. He couldn't have done anything differently. And also here it says on the 18th of May, this is the
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day that Justin would have said sexy to Jenny. That was when she was wearing those black pants that we
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spoke about before. And we know, of course, why they mentioned that because Jenny Slate made a huge
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deal about how that made her feel so uncomfortable. Also here, as I said yesterday, Blake asked all the
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crew members to wear a badge with their name and their photo on it, which is not normal on a movie set.
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But she said that everyone had to do that. And the wafer party, of course, had to just, you know,
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accommodate her. Then, interestingly enough, this is when they shot that Boston bar karaoke scene.
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And it says here, at the end of that day, Justin sends a text to Blake saying, I'm not going to tell
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you that you were amazing because you teased me for being sentimental, but you were amazing today.
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I can't believe that he could send text messages like that. After all the things that she had done
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to him at this point, he is just keeping his cool, being so professional here and just feeding into
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her ego to make her happy. And then she responded to him, thank you. I do appreciate it. I'm just a
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ball buster, but it means a lot to me. I care a great deal and always want to deliver. You are terrific.
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I am proud of everything we did today, but really every day, which doesn't make any sense to me why she
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would send him that after all the things that they've been through already. To me, this seems
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like a person who has some serious mental issues. If you can switch on and off like this. And then
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the next day, Blake and Jenny Slate allegedly called Angie, another one of the producers, and complained
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about the sexy comment that Justin made about Jenny's pants and also the birth video that Blake had
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been shown. Then Blake gets COVID. And on the 31st of May, a few days later, Justin sends a text
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through Alex Sachs, another one of the producers, to apologize to Jenny Slate and Blake. And then when
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she returns to set after COVID on June 1st, she invited everyone into her trailer. Alex Sachs,
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the producer, Justin and Jamie, to discuss the complaints she had about them, meaning the birthing
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scene and the sexy comment. And she also told Justin that you cannot cry anymore. And then she told Jamie
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Heath that he had looked at her in the trailer and he was not allowed to do that, to have eye contact with
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her. And also she mentions that Jamie Heath had asked her sister Robin for a hug. And that was super
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inappropriate. Two days later, Blake invites Justin into her trailer while she's pumping. Then
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Justin and Blake potentially met to make script changes on June 2nd. It's so interesting to me that
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she keeps inviting him into her trailer and also into her apartment if she felt so threatened by him
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because he was as aging her. And then she invites him into her personal space all the time.
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That is not a very normal reaction if you are scared of someone or if you feel that someone
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is not treating you well. I would never invite someone to my place, to my home, if I felt that
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way. And then there is the strike, the shutdown. So then they stopped working on June 14th of 2023.
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And then Blake just flies to London and refuses to return to work. Oh my God. At this point,
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I would, if I were them, I would just be like, screw it. You're not going to be in our movie.
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I mean, now looking back, I'm sure they regret not making that choice, but this is so insane to me.
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One of her reps told them that they could just sue her to return to work, but she would not be happy
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about it. I mean. Then they resume production without Blake and they shoot all the scenes with
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Young Lily and the Young cast. And then Blake still doesn't want to return to set. And then they sent
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these 17 points and saying, you have to sign this for her, for her to return to set. And then Blake
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and Ryan arranges another meeting at their house with Blake, Ryan, Justin, Jamie Heat, Angie, Alex,
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and Todd, all the producers where Blake and Ryan expressed their feelings. Then on the 7th of
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January, Blake's and scripts revisions day before shooting. This is something that she kept doing,
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that she sent revisions of the script the day before. And for everyone involved in the movie,
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having to change things up less than 24 hours before shooting, that's a freaking nightmare.
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And then again on February 5th, she's sending new production revisions. And now she's not even
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asking Justin for any input. She just takes over everything. And then Justin is pushed to allow her
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into the editing room with her. And the first day she doesn't even show up. So she only shows up one
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day with Justin, Una and Rob, who were the editor at the time when this happened. And she did not show
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up for any days thereafter, it says here. Then it's all this stuff about Taylor Swift, that she,
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that Blake wouldn't approve the trailer with Taylor Swift's song, unless they choose her version of the
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movie. As we know, she put a lot of pressure on Sony as well here to show her cut of the movie,
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even though we know that Justin Cutts did score better in tests. Then on May 3rd, Alex,
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one of the producers shares concern with Jamie that Blake will want directing credits. I haven't
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heard that before. She also wanted directing credits. Then she launches this influencer event
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with Sony. And at the same time, Justin has a dinner with Colleen Hoover and Jamie Heath and
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Colleen's friend, Terry. He tells Colleen Hoover at this point what's going on behind the scenes,
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because she wasn't informed at this point. And it says here that Colleen and her friend Terry
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are empathetic to, empathetic to the situation. Then it says here that Colleen calls Brandon
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Sklenor and tells him about this dinner that they just had. And they, and it says here,
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we later hear from Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds that this dinner made her uncomfortable.
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So first Colleen pretends that she's empathetic to the situation when Justin Baldoni tells his
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version of events. And then afterwards she complained to Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively
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about it and said that it made her feel really uncomfortable. Then Blake arranges a friends and
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family screening on May 24th with Todd Black, the producer who wanted to leave after that meeting
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at Ryan and Blake's penthouse and Colleen Hoover, Bradley Cooper, Ryan, Sean Levy, and Gigi Hadid
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present. And it says here that we didn't find out that Colleen Hoover would be there until Todd Black
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told Jamie. This was a surprise as Colleen had no relationship with Blake until this point. So this
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was May 2024 and they didn't really have a relationship until that point. Then that same day,
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Blake told Josh that he, she would not do any press with Justin Baldoni. Then there's another test
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screening here for Justin's version of the movie. And they say here that they were informed by Josh
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G that Colleen Hoover is working with Blake Lively. He also said Blake informed him that Colleen won't
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promote the movie either unless we use Blake's cut, which she was involved with in giving notes and
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feedback. So at this point, Colleen had completely jumped over to Blake Lively's side and she was
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working with Blake on her edits. Then on June 3rd, Blake fires the two editor that Justin Baldoni had
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hired. Una and Rob were let go and replaced by Blake's editor, Shane Reed. And it says here,
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Una cried and was angry about this decision. Of course. Three days later on June 6th, Blake also fires
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their composer, Brian Taylor, and she swaps him out with the two new composers, Rob and Duncan. Then on
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June 13th is the Book Bonanza event in Texas. And I spoke about this shortly yesterday where Blake brought
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Brendan Sklenar, Isabella Ferrer, Alex Sachs, the producer, and Colleen Hoover to this event. And it
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says here that no one knew about this. Sony wasn't informed. No one was informed. And we know she also
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brought this version of the movie that had not been vetted yet and not been approved by anyone.
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So this in itself is outrageous. And it says here that she also paid personally for Isabella Ferrer
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and Brendan Sklenar to come and join her. So this is when she started having power over those two
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people as well. And this is also when Todd Black was informed that none of the cast members would do
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any press with Justin. Then on June 20th, this is insane. So then she keeps pushing. So on June 20th,
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Blake reached out to request that she be named producer on the film. And Wayfair said,
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okay, then she wants them to write a letter to PGA, Producers Guild of America, because she wants
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the stamp from them that she is officially a producer of the movie. And they don't want to write
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that letter for her. I mean, can you blame them? And of course, then she keeps pressuring them. And then
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it says here that Blake had said, any goodwill I had left for Justin is now gone. And it says here that
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Jamie tried to reach out to Blake and ask her, you know, her feelings about this PGA letter. And Blake
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refused to get on that call. And then at the end, they ended up just writing this letter for her.
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But the Wayfair pointed out in an internal email that they only did this because of extortion
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by Blake. Then there's some stuff about this coffee table book. There's a lot of drama around then.
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But then we get to Ryan Reynolds and his phone calls to WME. It says here that Ryan reached out
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to Patrick to tell him their side of the story. Then he calls Danny Greenberg, or he speaks to
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Granny Greenberg. And in that conversation, he calls Justin a deranged predator. He also says that
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they want to put this fiasco behind them and don't want anything to do with Justin after August 9th.
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Ryan mentions that no one from the cast and Colin Hoover want him at the premiere. He asked Danny
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Greenberg why he is coming. And then Josh calls Jamie Heath to say that Blake Lively is threatening
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not to show up at the premiere. And then at the end, they agree that Justin can show up at the red
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carpet before everyone else, but he had to leave as soon as anyone else entered the red carpet. And he's
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not allowed in the theater. And as you know, he was sent to the basement and all that stuff.
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Anyways, that's some of the stuff that we have learned from this timeline, you guys. And as I
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said, a lot of more stuff is coming out next week. So stay tuned for that. It's going to be pretty
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explosive. And I also wanted to mention before I go, this website that you can go to. If you're
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confused about things, this website is amazing. It's called docketupdates.com. And you can go in
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there and you can read about all the players. They're publishing all the documents from the
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docket up there. So you can go in and read them yourself. This website is really amazing. They're
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doing such a good job. And if you want to support them, you can also buy them a coffee, which I just
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did because I feel like what they're doing here is so amazing. And they're not making any money on doing
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that. And it really gives you a great overview of what this case is all about. So please check
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that out. If you have the chance, I will leave a link in my description as well for that website.
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